Engineer's planet or "seed-race" that the Engineers "planted"?

Started by Ingwar, Mar 16, 2021, 01:44:27 PM

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Engineer's planet or "seed-race" that the Engineers "planted"? (Read 14,301 times)

Ingwar

I don't find it dump. At the end of the day Alien universe is sci-fi horror that started as B movie and Engineers bring something new (even though it's somehow cheesy) to the table. As Ridley said it before: "the beast is cooked".

Nightmare Asylum

The beast may be cooked, but Prometheus' ideas were only half-baked... until Covenant came around and gave them the proper seasoning and turned the whole prequel enterprise into a rather delicious meal. ;)

Ingwar

Ingwar

#17
They still remain half baked for me though. Studio changed its mind and turned into another direction, hence Covenant instead of being Prometheus 2 is hybrid of Alien and Prometheus.

BlueMarsalis79

Alien Covenant saved Prometheus for me.

And part of that's making the Engineers extinct.

Ingwar

They will be back ;)

Evanus

Before Covenant happened I expected all the engineers on their homeworld to be dead already - I really don't see how you could make a film with all those engineers still alive. I thought it was a fun twist when they were still alive but ended up being killed by David anyway. I'd like to see them return in some way though, as Ridley suggested when he talked about the third prequel. As long as they look better than in Covenant  :laugh:

Immortan Jonesy

Immortan Jonesy

#21

Maybe different careers and jobs mean different cultures, different looks, different outfits, and maybe even different biology. They are "Engineers" and perhaps the soldiers or planters use their science to alter their genetics.

Or maybe they could become like the Guild Navigators of Dune, that is; Engineers are destined to become the Space Jockey after altering their bodies with bioengineering.




However that sounds horrible. Something like "There is no intelligent alien life in space yet, but humans are going to evolve into intelligent alien life":laugh:




Quote from: Andrea90 on Mar 16, 2021, 02:53:43 PM
I think those are an other creation race that didn't fail like us. It's like Walter and David, we are David, they are Walter.

Rule number 1 to become the favorite of your forerunners:

Never crucify one of them.  :laugh:


But I actually like that idea. They were satisfied with the people of Planet 4, who not only look more like their creators, but also live the life that Engies wanted for us. Daddy isues of biblical proportions, but cool in my book. 8)




Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 16, 2021, 05:34:25 PM
If we do see them again, I hope it's only in the context of their precursors, The Pilots.

If there's even a pilot on this, I hope it's juts one being and not a civilization. Something unique and rare like The Traveler fron Destiny.


Edit ~

I find this cool fanart.  8)


Nightmare Asylum

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 16, 2021, 09:10:32 PM
Or maybe they could become like the Guild Navigators of Dune, that is; Engineers are destined to become the Space Jockey after altering their bodies with bioengineering.

https://i.ibb.co/K5CfnYh/navigator.webp

https://i.ibb.co/CHTHbw4/spacejockeyhead341.jpg

I'm inclined to think something along these lines, actually - and if that does wind up being the case, it is easy to see the biomechanical exo-suit of Prometheus' Final Engineer as one step along that evolutionary chain, if they do go that route.

Something along the lines of this, with the Covenant Engineers as the lowest of their ranks that were left behind on their homeworld:



Meanwhile the "peak" specimens (perhaps they peaked naturally, or perhaps through augmentation) like the one seen at the start of Prometheus went off to seed the galaxy with life:



Over the years those peak specimens started experimenting on themselves (with black goo?) and grafting biomechanics to their bodies to further themselves:



Which eventually gets out of hand and leads to evolution gone awry, in forms such as this:



Unless, of course, David is the Space Jockey. :D

OmegaZilla

Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 16, 2021, 05:54:14 PM
At the end of the day Alien universe is sci-fi horror that started as B movie
roughly 50% of this website and forum boards are about this so called B movie universe...

judge death

Myself dont buy that the planet david came to is their homeplanet as it lacks the structure and look of what we saw in prometheus and they dont have any spaceships or anything advanced? Only that hovering thing over the city that does nothing and is gone when the covenant ship shows up, their homes are technology wise what we had around year 1000 on earth, cant see them being space traveling species.

In the video and others where its more discussed that its a planet they seeded and they like how they turned out and lets them live under the eye of that ship/hovering thing and what is better for David than to show up and delete what they see as good species? Then I can see why the engineers will be back in the next movie when they discover what happened to one of their experiments.

IF it was their home planet it was very weakly defended and where are all ships that should be around in orbit and elsewhere, should be full of them? Space traveling species cant just be of low technoloy population who happens to have advanced ships ona  different planet and be stranded on their own homeplanet, just dumb if so.

I can buy the theory nightmare presents that they ended up splitting into two groups, the ones on the homeplanet who decided for a peaceful way of living and the other more scifi which seeds and experiment and ended up having the ships and all technology, leaving the homeworld for its own demise. Would explain why the population greeted david so highly as they hoped it was them coming back to make the civil war to an end and help them.

paxromana

@Judge Death, watch Crossing the Plaza (Extended) (55s). It will answer some of your questions

Immortan Jonesy

Quote from: judge death on Mar 18, 2021, 02:25:01 AM
Only that hovering thing over the city that does nothing and is gone when the covenant ship shows up,

Motherjugger is crashed in the hills surrounding the city (I used filters so you can see clearly).


Here is a closer look.



Now about their tech-level, the script describes how in the city there are structures rotating in favor of solar movement. There is concept art for such structures and these can vaguely be seen during Crane's action sequence.




Also these motion sensors lights which appear to be levitating. I'm not sure about that last impresion though.


judge death

judge death

#27
Still no explanation how it crashed nor why its only that one when a high tech civilistation easily should have lots more ships, and also: why do they have only one small city at that point? the whole planet should be full of engineers and towns for a civilistation of that tech they have.
David dropping the pathogen at the center of the one town they have is enough to wipe out the planet and no ships or defences of any kind escape or react, no engineers soldiers start to get into action etc, the ships and people on the other side of the planet should react to this?

Unless something like planet of the apes happened and that is litterly everything left of them which would explain the lack of pretty much anything a space traveling civilistation should have.

Or its one of the engineers species they created and colony on that planet which is very low tech which explains the lack of so much and they only have that tiny town.

Nice find and didnt see much of those objects and tech in the movie, but still it dont fit together with what a high tech civilistation demands to work compared to what we see they have. :P

Ingwar

Quote from: judge death on Mar 19, 2021, 12:08:34 AM
why do they have only one small city at that point? the whole planet should be full of engineers and towns for a civilistation of that tech they have.

(...)

Or its one of the engineers species they created and colony on that planet which is very low tech which explains the lack of so much and they only have that tiny town.

Exactly my thoughts.

Immortan Jonesy

The scene in which David escorts the crew to the cathedral was a bit longer. The delected extract shows the crew lighting up the hangar sublevel in the Plaza, where more Jugernauts can be seen.


However, I prefer the headcanon that they are a creation like us. But clearly Ridley Scott and the rest of the film crew conceived them to be Engineers in their home world. And when you read interviews with conceptual artists you realize that they were presenting an anachronistic utopian civilization. A culture that despite being able to travel through space, still prefer to live like ancient Greeks or whatever.

The advanced civilization living in an old fashioned way it's an old trope anyway; from modern folklore about Atlantis, pulp fiction magazines to Star Wars.






Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 19, 2021, 12:48:12 AM
Quote from: judge death on Mar 19, 2021, 12:08:34 AM
why do they have only one small city at that point? the whole planet should be full of engineers and towns for a civilistation of that tech they have.

(...)

Or its one of the engineers species they created and colony on that planet which is very low tech which explains the lack of so much and they only have that tiny town.

Exactly my thoughts.

That is a curious detail without a doubt. Even if there were other colonies or facilities like those on LV-223, planet 4 was intended to be their capital world, regardless of whether we like the idea or not. And yet, it was just a small city on a small planet.

But they probably didn't put much thought into it, since Ridley wanted to move on from the Engineers to focus on David and the Alien.

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