http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/fox-rebooting-predator-shane-black-714598 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/fox-rebooting-predator-shane-black-714598)
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Quote"Black will write the treatment for the project, then will hand over scripting duties to Fred Dekker, his university chum with whom he wrote 1987's Monster Squad. Black will oversee the writing and is also attached to direct."
*Stammering mouth flappery* I-I-I-I HMMM...
I don't know. That could be interesting.
Personally i'd rather they just get Arnie to play Old Dutch and make another sequel without this reboot nonsense. If Arnold ould actually be down for that.
If Shane Black is writing and directing, I will be more than happy to watch this. :)
This is the best damn news anyone here could have heard about a reboot of this movie. If this info is legit, then god damn yes f**king make it now!
Never expected this news at all.
Exciting stuff that they're doing a new Predator movie though.
I love Shane Black's style. If this winds up being true, consider me very excited!
Original source is The Hollywood Reporter, it seems, and they're usually legit. :)
Hawkins taking the f**king reigns, biatches!
Quote from: Castiel on Jun 24, 2014, 07:56:07 PM
Original source is The Hollywood Reporter, it seems, and they're usually legit. :)
Nice!
Say what you will about
Iron Man 3 (the film definitely had some problems) but I really appreciate that it went against the grain and did things that really separated it from the onslaught of superhero films that we see every year. Combine that with the franchise returning to the hands of someone that was involved (admittedly in a very different way) in the original and you certainly have my interest piqued.
Ugh. After the POS that was Iron Man 3, I don't have high hopes for this. Especially if Black is writing the script.
I've been re-watching Predator and Predators all weekend so seeing this news pop up just blew my mind. I hope they do keep some concepts from Predators.
Bring Robert Downey Jr. in on this and we have a winner. 8)
Best thing he's ever done is 'The Long Kiss Goodnight', but he's also done some stuff which isn't so good. A lot depends on what's meant by 'reboot', these days.
We'll see...
Something tells me this is too good to be true, and Fox will end up firing him and have some yes-men do a rewrite and then farm the directing job out to some producer's flunky. I hope I'm wrong.
Wow. I love news that is so damn exciting that I have to call my dad.
This is to the Predator franchise as Ridley Scott's Alien Prequel announcement was to the Alien franchise. We're going to get the biggest, baddest Predator movie yet! The Terminator 2 of the Predator franchise. The budget for this thing will be huge.
Hahahaha oh man I am jumping for joy. The f**king Iron Man 3 director. But why is handing over writing duties to... Fred Dekker??
Shane Black to direct a Predator film.
Gotta let that sink in for a bit.
Holy shit, yes.
Cus he wrote MONSTER SQUAD. The greatest Universal Monster movie ever made. It's what Van Helsing with Hugh Jackman tried to be!
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 24, 2014, 08:19:54 PM
Cus he wrote MONSTER SQUAD. The greatest Universal Monster movie ever made. It's what Van Helsing with Hugh Jackman tried to be!
>now on my to-watch list
Cue in Predator is actually an actor in a suit playing the part of an alien hunter.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 24, 2014, 07:52:30 PM
This is the best damn news anyone here could have heard about a reboot of this movie. If this info is legit, then god damn yes f**king make it now!
ZYES!!!!!!!1
ZYESSS!!!!!!!!11111
This franchise is in REALLY good hands now. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs#ws)
I don't understand why the term "reboot" is being thrown around (as the Predator franchise has no overarching story to speak of), but Shane Black at the helm instantly makes me excited. Or at the very least, coloured a shade of intrigued.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Jun 24, 2014, 08:21:28 PM
Cue in Predator is actually an actor in a suit playing the part of an alien hunter.
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:o
Shane also did uncredited rewrites on the original movie. We're quoting a lot of his dialogue, 'round these parts.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 24, 2014, 08:25:47 PM
Shane also did uncredited rewrites on the original movie. We're quoting a lot of his dialogue, 'round these parts.
I've never been totally clear on that. In one of the behind the scenes things he talks about how they brought him in, put him in the flick, and it was under the intent to have him do a rewrite, but that ultimately they just went back to what was more-or-less originally planned anyway.
I would love to know what some of his work was on the script, though. :)
Iron Man 3 wasn't really too praised by critics and almost universally despised by fans, I hope the same doesn't follow here. A reboot of a franchise I like means instant worry for me. As long as it doesn't contradict and it respects the original films, I'll keep an open mind. I was hoping for a Predators Part II, as I think there was still more story to tell there. Writer of Robocop 3 is also a pretty bad sign as well. Can't say I'm too excited about this news from the initial info.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 24, 2014, 08:23:01 PM
I don't understand why the term "reboot" is being thrown around (as the Predator franchise has no overarching story to speak of), but Shane Black at the helm instantly makes me excited. Or at the very least, coloured a shade of intrigued.
I think it's just not acknowledging Predator, P2, PS. To start clean without having to give exposition that This happened in a jungle in the 80's too.
I think people are looking into the reboot thing a bit too much. It's probably just going to be another movie with the Predator with no explicit connection to the previous films. All three current films pretty much stand on their own as well.
Frank Miller was involved with the writing. There was no saving that movie.
THUS
ALL BLAME GOES TO MILLER
LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!!!
LoL.
Iron man 3 was okay but I love Black's style. Like to see arnie back in some role. f**k rebooting it bit don't do what predators did and remake it
This is going to be huge. We are going to see a Predator movie with a wide scope. I reckon the budget will be at least $80 million. We've never had someone of Shane's caliber behind a Predator movie.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 24, 2014, 08:44:25 PM
Iron man 3 was okay but I love Black's style. Like to see arnie back in some role. f**k rebooting it bit don't do what predators did and remake it
It would be great to see Dutch again. f**k he's doing sequels to everything else at the moment (Terminator, Conan) shame he can't get involved in this.
I think it's about time we saw the Predator home world.
If they make it, it'll probably be PG13.
Quote from: worriors on Jun 24, 2014, 08:47:35 PM
If they make it, it'll probably be PG13.
Terminator 2 would be PG-13 today sans the language. I think this new Predator reboot is going to focus less on the 'horror' and more on the scifi and action. Kind of like, well, Terminator 2.
If this is a reboot, and I mean a TRUE reboot.. Then I f**king welcome it!
Reboot is such a wishy washy word that I wouldn't even know how to define a "true reboot." Is it set in continuity? Out of continuity? Somewhere ambiguously in the middle???
f**k yeah I'm in
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 24, 2014, 09:06:29 PM
Reboot is such a wishy washy word that I wouldn't even know how to define a "true reboot." Is it set in continuity? Out of continuity? Somewhere ambiguously in the middle???
Continuity is a mess in the Alien-Predator franchises to where it might as well not even be existent.. You have two sequels which are said to be in-continuity with the original two movies. One which a lot of the fandom hates, but few like.. And another which is ambigious to whether or not it's Predator 3 or an alternative Predator 2, yet majority of fans seem to like but few seem to hate.
Either way... I'm hoping it's a reboot that makes something of itself, rather than be a sequel.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 24, 2014, 09:06:29 PM
Reboot is such a wishy washy word that I wouldn't even know how to define a "true reboot." Is it set in continuity? Out of continuity? Somewhere ambiguously in the middle???
Each Predator film might as well be a reboot. They are all separate, self-contained stories.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:14:30 PMEach Predator film might as well be a reboot. They are all separate, self-contained stories.
To be fair, Predator 2 DID reference the events of the original Predator.. and even featured a cameo of Anna in the background. So I wouldn't say that it's entirely a self-contained story.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 24, 2014, 09:15:35 PM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:14:30 PMEach Predator film might as well be a reboot. They are all separate, self-contained stories.
To be fair, Predator 2 DID reference the events of the original Predator.. and even featured a cameo of Anna in the background. So I wouldn't say that it's entirely a self-contained story.
Do you regularly watch movies, or know what an arc is? You could take out the picture and the references, that last all of a few seconds and are at the end of the film, and it wouldn't affect the narrative.
Predators was already a reboot since it ignores AVP. I think it will be stupid to start over again when Predators is still recent and fresh on most people's minds.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:19:29 PM
Do you regularly watch movies, or know what an arc is? You could take out the picture and the references, that last all of a few seconds and are at the end of the film, and it wouldn't affect the narrative.
I watch movies, and I also happen to read comic books.. So I know a thing or two about what continuity is. Sure, each of the Predator movies could stand alone but it doesn't change the fact that Predator 2 mentions the events of 1987. And if you count the novelization as being canon with Predator 2, then they do explicitly mention Dutch and what exactly happened to him. So.. technically speaking, it's sort of not really it's own thing.
As for the AvP films and PREDATORS... Those three can stand alone and be their own thing. I can agree with you on that much.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 24, 2014, 09:21:26 PM
Predators was already a reboot since it ignores AVP. I think it will be stupid to start over again when Predators is still recent and fresh on most people's minds.
Your opinion but I happen to disagree with it. Of course, this news just happened and for all we know.. and I am hoping this is not the case... that we may end up with a sequel instead. I'd prefer a reboot.
Lol you read comic books, and asked me if I counted the novelization as canon. Well I intern for an Oscar-winning producer, and get to do script coverage and accept/reject scripts. I think that's better than reading comic books.
Honestly, y'all should be happy. The dude who directed a big, billion dollar grossing Marvel movie, is taking the reigns of the Predator franchise. This isn't the Nightmare on Elm Street 5 dude. Or the Resident Evil dude. Or special fx guys.
This is SHANE BLACK. Get ready to get rocked.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
Honestly, y'all should be happy. The dude who directed a big, billion dollar grossing Marvel movie, is taking the reigns of the Predator franchise. This isn't the Nightmare on Elm Street 5 dude. Or the Resident Evil dude. Or special fx guys.
You have no idea how happy this makes me, assuming this is a true reboot. Anything to get rid of the negative feelings which Rodriguez had left me with PREDATORS. I welcome the idea of this reboot.. I look forward to hearing some more news about this! This just completely made my day, and I want to know what Shane has planned for this!
Three pages in and we're already having a continuity debate. :D
I just want a fun, competent movie and good creature effects.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 24, 2014, 09:34:59 PM
Three pages in and we're already having a continuity debate. :D
I just want a fun, competent movie and good creature effects.
I think we're going to get that, per Black's track record, and I think this movie is going to be huge. Probably the highest grossing Predator film as well.
Iron man 3 was shit. Predator could do with some big blockbuster like film to revive the franchise though so I'm hyped for now.
Here is an awesome piece by Silvestri.. I am so pumped for this!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXnAxydhZ8M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXnAxydhZ8M)
I read the news on facebook... and I came. Predator, Hawkings... erm I mean Shane Black... oh man the hype in me is strong.
Whatever route they take, honestly I'm just glad the franchise is not dead... and before all the hating starts, YES the franchise does need another reboot...
Predators was not too bad, average stuff, but way too short of what a real predator franchise deserves. I am not a fan of all the stuff shane black wrote and directed. However, he directed big movies, so perhaps he will bring the BIG to the Predator franchise. I wouldn't even mind if they went less horror and more action/thriller/Sci-Fi.... the first movie was such a Genre mash up, let this be the next one.
And no, I'm of the firm opinion that Dutch is not needed in this movie. Arnold Schwarzenegger is more like box office poison and I doubt his new terminator film will convince me otherwise, we'll see... but overall, a big NO to Arnie.
Give us a younger face like Dwayne Johnson or Jason Momoa... f**k it, make the lead a woman like Zoe Saldana... I don't care, just no Arnie
I think it's a LITTLE premature to say this'll be the biggest. A writer means dick-all with regards to what budget the film will get. Sure, it might give the film's production a little more clout amongst the money-bag holders, but it does not mean for certain you're going to see a higher end budget. It's simply too soon to say anything with regards to where this film will fall. At this stage we don't even know what Black's direction for the story will be.
I hope Stan Winston Studios gets involved on this one.
I kind of hope it's a smaller movie, to be honest. :P
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 24, 2014, 09:42:45 PM
I kind of hope it's a smaller movie, to be honest. :P
There are 5 other movies you can watch if that's what you'd like. Let the guys who want to see a true blockbuster Predator film have theirs
Put it on Earth... Set it in the DESERT... None of that Super Predator bullshit. Remember the core elements which made the original what it is now, and carry them over to this assumed reboot-- if this project will be a reboot.
I agree, and I'd love to see it take a route to finding out what happened to Dutch, maybe even an Arnie cameo, if it's subtle and done right it could work
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 24, 2014, 09:39:40 PM
Predators was not too bad, average stuff, but way too short of what a real predator franchise deserves. I am not a fan of all the stuff shane black wrote and directed. However, he directed big movies, so perhaps he will bring the BIG to the Predator franchise. I wouldn't even mind if they went less horror and more action/thriller/Sci-Fi.... the first movie was such a Genre mash up, let this be the next one.
I've always wanted a Predator film without a lot of horror, and the emphasis on the "kills". We can't keep getting these $40 million dollar films. Must spend money to make money.
Let's face it... Predators 3 had a budget of 40 million and made about 190 million... it was a success but not a big one at all. So I doubt the producers will give this new film more than 60 million in budget, they will play it rather save, so I wouldn't expect some huge Michael Bay XSplosions.
But if Shane keeps true to his writing style, it could be a fun and thrilling script, full of action beats making you forget to care if its blockbuster or not.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:44:30 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 24, 2014, 09:42:45 PM
I kind of hope it's a smaller movie, to be honest. :P
There are 5 other movies you can watch if that's what you'd like. Let the guys who want to see a true blockbuster Predator film have theirs
That's all fine and good, I guess, but the bigger a studio-financed franchise movie like this gets the more muddied the creator's vision is likely to become, and I don't really think that's what a Predator film needs.
At their best, Predator films are fairly small action romps with some fun cheese, awesome creature suits, and memorable action, one-liners, and character interactions, not giant science fiction mega-blockbusters. That's why I think they're so loved, and Shane Black definitely had it in him to take those tropes, put his own spin on them, and make something new and exciting in the series.
But that's just me.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
Lol you read comic books, and asked me if I counted the novelization as canon. Well I intern for an Oscar-winning producer, and get to do script coverage and accept/reject scripts. I think that's better than reading comic books.
Here I am excited for this news and I come to see something like this...
With that attitude in this kind of place I wouldn't be surprised that you stayed an intern. Have some respect for the opinions that these people are entitled to.
I'm stoked, it's nice to see someone familiar with the franchise handling it.
Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 24, 2014, 09:08:54 PM
f**k yeah I'm in
Ahahahahana! I lol'd so hard when I saw this
If they mean "reboot" along the lines of Predators or Terminator: Salvation, where it does its own thing but is still related and maintains the feel of the originals, I could be on board for that. But if we're talking a total reboot like the recent Star Trek films or the new Tomb Raider games, where they throw away pretty much all of what makes a franchise what it is in favor of some romping adventure that appeals to everyone, then I'll be pretty irritated.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 24, 2014, 09:48:09 PM
Let's face it... Predators 3 had a budget of 40 million and made about 190 million... it was a success but not a big one at all. So I doubt the producers will give this new film more than 60 million in budget, they will play it rather save, so I wouldn't expect some huge Michael Bay XSplosions.
But if Shane keeps true to his writing style, it could be a fun and thrilling script, full of action beats making you forget to care if its blockbuster or not.
LMAO. $190 million?! More like $130 million, the same as AvPR. I don't believe they will play it safe at all. The Predator concept has not been utilized to its full potential, and I think for this one they're finally saying "go big or go home". Enough of these moderately sized movies.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 24, 2014, 09:55:45 PM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
Lol you read comic books, and asked me if I counted the novelization as canon. Well I intern for an Oscar-winning producer, and get to do script coverage and accept/reject scripts. I think that's better than reading comic books.
Here I am excited for this news and I come to see something like this...
With that attitude in this kind of place I wouldn't be surprised that you stayed an intern. Have some respect for the opinions that these people are entitled to.
I'm stoked, it's nice to see someone familiar with the franchise handling it.
Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 24, 2014, 09:08:54 PM
f**k yeah I'm in
Ahahahahana! I lol'd so hard when I saw this
No, I am ruthless. I will get "there". Fret not, fret not.
Will it take place on Christmas for no reason whatsoever that is the ultimate question.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 24, 2014, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:44:30 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 24, 2014, 09:42:45 PM
I kind of hope it's a smaller movie, to be honest. :P
There are 5 other movies you can watch if that's what you'd like. Let the guys who want to see a true blockbuster Predator film have theirs
That's all fine and good, I guess, but the bigger a studio-financed franchise movie like this gets the more muddied the creator's vision is likely to become, and I don't really think that's what a Predator film needs.
At their best, Predator films are fairly small action romps with some fun cheese, awesome creature suits, and memorable action, one-liners, and character interactions, not giant science fiction mega-blockbusters. That's why I think they're so loved, and Shane Black definitely had it in him to take those tropes, put his own spin on them, and make something new and exciting in the series.
But that's just me.
Very presumptuous.
So you want the same thing forever and ever, and I don't. Cool.
And they're not so loved, lol. Look at their box office, and look at Lethal Weapon. Again, there is untapped potential. The first movie is loved, sure.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 24, 2014, 09:45:22 PM
Put it on Earth... Set it in the DESERT... None of that Super Predator bullshit. Remember the core elements which made the original what it is now, and carry them over to this assumed reboot-- if this project will be a reboot.
I get the implication as to why people think the desert would be a good setting. Allusions to the wars, the predators drawn to "heat and conflict," the idea of following modern 21st Century Elite operators against a predator. However, i'm honestly not sure that a desert setting would be nearly as a visually interesting as the Jungles were. They were really smart to mix and match between vistas and claustrophobic areas of the jungle in the first film. Which allowed for the greater tension.
Open deserts and sand dunes and such wouldn't exactly provide the Predator with a good stalking ground. Unless you set it in a village, predominantly in the mountain ranges (which is essentially forested and rocky, so you lose the "desert" motive) or on a military base.
I just read about it and f**k YEAH I'M HAPPY! I wasn't aware something so good can happen to me this evening. I hope it stays in continuity, but want it to be standalone. Another film in my all time favorite franchise! Yeah! ;D
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 24, 2014, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:44:30 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 24, 2014, 09:42:45 PM
I kind of hope it's a smaller movie, to be honest. :P
There are 5 other movies you can watch if that's what you'd like. Let the guys who want to see a true blockbuster Predator film have theirs
That's all fine and good, I guess, but the bigger a studio-financed franchise movie like this gets the more muddied the creator's vision is likely to become, and I don't really think that's what a Predator film needs.
At their best, Predator films are fairly small action romps with some fun cheese, awesome creature suits, and memorable action, one-liners, and character interactions, not giant science fiction mega-blockbusters. That's why I think they're so loved, and Shane Black definitely had it in him to take those tropes, put his own spin on them, and make something new and exciting in the series.
But that's just me.
Very presumptuous.
So you want the same thing forever and ever, and I don't. Cool.
And they're not so loved, lol. Look at their box office, and look at Lethal Weapon. Again, there is untapped potential.
No, I don't want the same thing. I said that I want Black to put his own spin on it. I just don't necessarily think that bigger=better in this case, and I don't want to see it become something it's not at the expense of the film's overall quality.
But hey, it's early days. For all we know the movie might not even happen. No point bickering about something so far off when we have nothing to base our opinions on.
Terminator 2 would like a word.
Great as T2 was, I preferred the first one.
Hahahaha are you guys seriously comparing Terminator to Predator?
Dumb idea. What's next? Reboot of Alien? Predators was a great direction for the series and a worthy third movie in the Predator movie series. But a reboot? why not expand on Predators? The movie ended well enough to open itself up for a direct sequel. Especially with the idea of Danny Glover & Arnold being thrown into the mix.
But you know what f**k it lol. It will end up being a PG-13.
This is pretty exciting! I jut hope this turns out better than Iron Man 3. I look forward to hearing more as this develops .
On a funny note, Chris Sebela, the guy writing the new AvP comic series, was pooh-poohing this on Twitter, wanting "original ideas." A fine criticism to be sure, but a tad silly given that he's writing the umpteenth entry in the same series. :laugh:
The mere sound of "Predator Reboot" already has me cringing. I know it's too early, but that's two words I have never wanted to see put together.
Terminator 2 box office would like a word.
Bigger is rarely better when it comes to films. Some films nail it but alot don't. The predator franchise doesn't need money thrown at it. It needs real talent, like Shane Black, to take it on a inject life back into it. If they pump a shed load of money into the scale will become too big. Predator films should work in settings that are pretty self contained. They don't warrant a huge budget.
Also stop bring up T2. Two completely different franchises at two completely different points
Terminator 2 !?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH, This isn't Terminator 2!
I don't mind a reboot, but I really don't have any desire to see Arnold Schwarzenegger in it
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 24, 2014, 10:26:02 PM
Bigger is rarely better when it comes to films. Some films nail it but alot don't. The predator franchise doesn't need money thrown at it. It needs real talent, like Shane Black, to take it on a inject life back into it. If they pump a shed load of money into the scale will become too big. Predator films should work in settings that are pretty self contained. They don't warrant a huge budget
Tell that to Prometheus. Once upon a time, people only thought that Alien films could be small films about blue collar people. Prometheus proved them wrong so much that it doesn't even have Alien in the title.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 24, 2014, 10:00:14 PM
Will it take place on Christmas for no reason whatsoever that is the ultimate question.
Fingers crossed!
I also hope we'll see the Mr. Joshua fire test of loyalty incorporated somehow.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 24, 2014, 10:26:02 PM
Bigger is rarely better when it comes to films. Some films nail it but alot don't. The predator franchise doesn't need money thrown at it. It needs real talent, like Shane Black, to take it on a inject life back into it. If they pump a shed load of money into the scale will become too big. Predator films should work in settings that are pretty self contained. They don't warrant a huge budget
Tell that to Prometheus. Once upon a time, people only thought that Alien films could be small films about blue collar people. Prometheus proved them wrong so much that it doesn't even have Alien in the title.
Once again, completely irrelevant. Just because it works for one franchise doesn't mean it will work for another. Plead bear in mind on not saying it wouldn't work for predator but it's not necessary.
Also, please stop personifying films.
Well, that's why Shane Black is making the movie. He's a bold risk-taker. While everybody on here is chirping that it'll never work, he's the one who steps up to the plate and says "Yes, it will, actually".
Go get 'em Shane, make me proud.
Remember Predators was also called reboot at first. Fox won't damage a continuity I'm sure of that.
Just wait to see the budget. If it gets 80million or more to work with I will be very surprised. Take into account marketing and advertising, Fox are going to be very careful.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 10:30:04 PM
Tell that to Prometheus. Once upon a time, people only thought that Alien films could be small films about blue collar people. Prometheus proved them wrong so much that it doesn't even have Alien in the title.
Um, the fact it doesn't even have
Alien in the title kind'a illustrates that the studio still doesn't think an actual Alien film could be anything else. They had to call it a prequel spinoff to make it work.
I didnt like Predators but i like a reboot even less.
Why dont people just continue on with the story? Why do they have to tell the same story over and over again?
Add something new, add something fresh, come on!
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 24, 2014, 10:40:28 PM
Just wait to see the budget. If it gets 80million or more to work with I will be very surprised. Take into account marketing and advertising, Fox are going to be very careful.
I'll be very surprised if it gets any more than Predators.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 24, 2014, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 10:30:04 PM
Tell that to Prometheus. Once upon a time, people only thought that Alien films could be small films about blue collar people. Prometheus proved them wrong so much that it doesn't even have Alien in the title.
Um, the fact it doesn't even have Alien in the title kind'a illustrates that the studio still doesn't think an actual Alien film could be anything else. They had to call it a prequel spinoff to make it work.
No no, the title was the idea from Lindelof and Scott, not the studio. They realized they crafted a story so far removed from a traditional Alien film, that they didn't have it in the title. It's still set in the ALIEN universe.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 24, 2014, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 10:30:04 PM
Tell that to Prometheus. Once upon a time, people only thought that Alien films could be small films about blue collar people. Prometheus proved them wrong so much that it doesn't even have Alien in the title.
Um, the fact it doesn't even have Alien in the title kind'a illustrates that the studio still doesn't think an actual Alien film could be anything else. They had to call it a prequel spinoff to make it work.
And why aren't you combating my "small films" comment? You're not gonna mention the Alien Resurrection budget?
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 24, 2014, 10:43:57 PM
I didnt like Predators but i like a reboot even less.
Why dont people just continue on with the story? Why do they have to tell the same story over and over again?
Add something new, add something fresh, come on!
It will be more of stand alone film the total remake. Trust me ;)
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 10:22:22 PM
Terminator 2 box office would like a word.
Implying a past success means future success is always set in stone.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 10:46:01 PM
No no, the title was the idea from Lindelof and Scott, not the studio. They realized they crafted a story so far removed from a traditional Alien film, that they didn't have it in the title. It's still set in the ALIEN universe.
Set in the universe, but not intended as an Alien movie. For the analogy to work, this movie would have to be called something else, and be about one of the skulls we see in the P2 trophy room.
QuoteAnd why aren't you combating my "small films" comment? You're not gonna mention the Alien Resurrection budget?
Budget isn't related to scope.
Quote from: Master on Jun 24, 2014, 10:47:31 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 24, 2014, 10:43:57 PM
I didnt like Predators but i like a reboot even less.
Why dont people just continue on with the story? Why do they have to tell the same story over and over again?
Add something new, add something fresh, come on!
It will be more of stand alone film the total remake. Trust me ;)
So it's not going to be about a PMC team called in continue mission that went wrong and they end up fighting some alien hunter?
Quote from: Aspie on Jun 24, 2014, 10:48:39 PM
so this is what it must feel like to hear that a dear friend just got diagnosed with cancer
a Shane tumor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxJeO5QzAQk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxJeO5QzAQk#ws)
I don't think so. Just look at Predators, there were theme issues at the beginning of its production. It was also called a remake but what we did get in the end?
Quote from: Master on Jun 24, 2014, 10:54:08 PM
I don't think so. Just look at Predators, there were theme issues at the beginning of its production. It was also called a remake but what we did get in the end?
We got a remake... An average one
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 24, 2014, 10:57:50 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 24, 2014, 10:54:08 PM
I don't think so. Just look at Predators, there were theme issues at the beginning of its production. It was also called a remake but what we did get in the end?
We got a remake... An average one
Yep. An homage fest.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 24, 2014, 07:52:30 PM
This is the best damn news anyone here could have heard about a reboot of this movie. If this info is legit, then god damn yes f**king make it now!
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It was not very good or origonal standalone sequel. Not a remake.
it was pretty much a remake
It was a remake dude. That many nods to the original and it just became remake.
For what ot was, it wasn't remake technical speaking.
Quote from: Master on Jun 24, 2014, 11:00:09 PM
It was not very good or origonal standalone sequel. Not a remake.
I dont remember all the news from that time too well but i think it was always marketed as a continuation of the first.
In fact, didn't they get a bunch of people angry because Robert was dissing Pred 2?
Maybe it's too early to tell but if it turns into a sidestory like Preds i would be fine. Reboot meaning remaking the story from the start is not going to get me excited.
bout 95% a remake
I just don't see it as a remake, I've seen the movie more than once and never once have I felt "this is a remake".
Kind'a hard to call it a remake when they mention the first movie in it.
Cause it wasn't. Poor movie? Yes. Homage feast? Of course. Remake? No.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 24, 2014, 11:06:06 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 24, 2014, 11:00:09 PM
It was not very good or origonal standalone sequel. Not a remake.
I dont remember all the news from that time too well but i think it was always marketed as a continuation of the first.
In fact, didn't they get a bunch of people angry because Robert was dissing Pred 2?
Maybe it's too early to tell but if it turns into a sidestory like Preds i would be fine. Reboot meaning remaking the story from the start is not going to get me excited.
Check out archive. First rumors called it a reboot.
Predators felt like some weird alternate universe version of the Original, using a lot of the same one liners and situations (Billy/Hanzo). I find it a pretty mediocre movie, but I did like the Predator designs (until Mr Black's reveal)
To quote Nathan Explosion, "NNNNNNOOOOOO!"
Quote from: Master on Jun 24, 2014, 10:05:34 PM
I just read about it and f**k YEAH I'M HAPPY! I wasn't aware something so good can happen to me this evening. I hope it stays in continuity, but want it to be standalone. Another film in my all time favorite franchise! Yeah! ;D
Honestly, it would be better if they had discarded the old continuity and went with a new one. I honestly think that is what we need. The first movie is regarded as something almost nigh unattainable, and every sequel has tried to match it and ultimately came up short. The thing is.. if this "reboot" is in continuity then it's not a reboot, it's a sequel.
This new film needs to establish it's own bar to set, not reach for one which is considered is almost impossible.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 24, 2014, 10:20:45 PM
On a funny note, Chris Sebela, the guy writing the new AvP comic series, was pooh-poohing this on Twitter, wanting "original ideas." A fine criticism to be sure, but a tad silly given that he's writing the umpteenth entry in the same series. :laugh:
Probably because it may end up shitting on the comics which he and the writing team are coming up with. Ha ha ha!
The Predator should just show up halfway through Expendables 3 and kill everyone. Perfect way to end that series. :laugh:
Can't wait to see what Shame Black has in store for us.
Almost certainly some witty and whimsical tales regarding female reproductive organs.
Almost certainly some witty and whimsical tales regarding female reproductive organs.
People, keep it civil, please. Be respectful to other forum members, as per the rules.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
Lol you read comic books, and asked me if I counted the novelization as canon. Well I intern for an Oscar-winning producer, and get to do script coverage and accept/reject scripts. I think that's better than reading comic books.
Honestly, y'all should be happy. The dude who directed a big, billion dollar grossing Marvel movie, is taking the reigns of the Predator franchise. This isn't the Nightmare on Elm Street 5 dude. Or the Resident Evil dude. Or special fx guys.
This is SHANE BLACK. Get ready to get rocked.
If you truly do any of those things you claim, then what's with the unfounded hype? A Marvel movie is a
compeltely different format to what a '
Predator' movie would need and you should realise that if you're actually sifting through scripts and chatting with Hollywood producers all day.
Stuff like '
The Long Kiss Goodnight' was excellent. On the other hand, '
Iron Man 3' has an extremely messy third act and suffers for it. If we get something like the former, then great. If it's more like the latter, all the flashy effects in the world won't detract from the undertone of disappointment it will generate in many people.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 24, 2014, 09:21:26 PM
Predators was already a reboot since it ignores AVP. I think it will be stupid to start over again when Predators is still recent and fresh on most people's minds.
There was no realistic way for it to have referenced that film without seeming like pointless exposition. It never contradicted any of the events.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:58:38 PM
I think for this one they're finally saying "go big or go home". Enough of these moderately sized movies.
The first one is still easily the best and is pretty much a relatively small-scale film. That's a big part of why it always worked so well. Predators don't suit massive epics very well, because then it switches from playing to their strengths to a generic flashy war thing. They're the epitome of one-one-one, need-to-become-the-beast-to-defeat-the-beast. It's difficult to transfer that symbolism to something massive in scale.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 24, 2014, 11:56:16 PM
Almost certainly some witty and whimsical tales regarding female reproductive organs.
Why are yo- OH-HOHOHO... Clever girl.
If Billy were here, he'd laugh too.
Not to be ironic, but I must... Ahem, echo Xenomorphine's final sentiments once again. The sentiment of the original film is based around the idea that all the heavy firepower in the world isn't enough when you're facing something that can out class you in everyway, and the key to defeating the creature is to go as far back to basics as you possibly can. I can't say i've ever been interested in seeing anything more than fleeting glimpses of the larger "Predator" universe. The scene at the end of Predator 2 is about as far as I think you can push that, maybe a little farther, before it starts to seem incredibly disconnected from any kind of reality. I certainly don't want to see 50 predators fighting an all out war somewhere. That would be ridiculous and dumb, and not in a fun sort of b-movie kind of way.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 24, 2014, 11:42:28 PM
Honestly, it would be better if they had discarded the old continuity and went with a new one. I honestly think that is what we need. The first movie is regarded as something almost nigh unattainable, and every sequel has tried to match it and ultimately came up short. The thing is.. if this "reboot" is in continuity then it's not a reboot, it's a sequel.
This new film needs to establish it's own bar to set, not reach for one which is considered is almost impossible.
Probably because it may end up shitting on the comics which he and the writing team are coming up with. Ha ha ha!
Why would that be better? The first movie will always be considered by most to be the best, regardless if the franchise is rebooted or not. How many successful total reboots do you know about? It depends on how you define success. Sure the new Star Trek films are the most financially successful ones in the franchise, and mainstream audiences seem to like them, but many original fans felt they threw away the core elements of what made up Star Trek for a big dumb summer movie. If they want to do a new standalone story then fine, but you want them to completely discard the old continuity? How would they do that? Make the Predator look totally different? Make this out to be the first time the species is ever encountered? A reboot will only set its own bar for those who were never into that franchise before, it will always be compared to earlier films by fans. You laugh at the comic writers being nervous about this, but they put hard work into their art and stories. They have a right to be concerned just as many fans who are passionate about the franchise are. You're saying that because no Predator sequel can top the first (which by the way, is only a matter of opinion. Many Aliens fans say the sequel topped the first while others say it ruined the creature) they should just get rid of everything, all the weapons, characteristics, and history of the beloved character and have something completely different with "Predator" slapped on it? Well then it's not really a Predator film anymore now is it? Predators deserved a sequel. And if FOX f**ks this up for some big stupid PG-13 action fest, I'm gonna experience a new level of disappointment.
@Nightmare Asylum and Openmaw
Genius....
Well I'll be damned..
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 25, 2014, 12:10:00 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 24, 2014, 11:56:16 PM
Almost certainly some witty and whimsical tales regarding female reproductive organs.
Why are yo- OH-HOHOHO... Clever girl.
If Billy were here, he'd laugh too.
:D
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 25, 2014, 12:10:00 AM
Not to be ironic, but I must... Ahem, echo Xenomorphine's final sentiments once again. The sentiment of the original film is based around the idea that all the heavy firepower in the world isn't enough when you're facing something that can out class you in everyway, and the key to defeating the creature is to go as far back to basics as you possibly can. I can't say i've ever been interested in seeing anything more than fleeting glimpses of the larger "Predator" universe. The scene at the end of Predator 2 is about as far as I think you can push that, maybe a little farther, before it starts to seem incredibly disconnected from any kind of reality. I certainly don't want to see 50 predators fighting an all out war somewhere. That would be ridiculous and dumb, and not in a fun sort of b-movie kind of way.
Yup, agreed.
Predator 2's ending and, to some extent,
Predators (I liked the ideas of the hounds and stickman, and the concept of the planet, even the 'super Predators'-- the execution was a pretty lacking on most counts, but the ideas were very interesting in concept) did a pretty good job expanding that world, but I can't really imagine how much more they can expand things before the become too silly. At this point I think dialing things back might be the best option. More focus on character, less spectacle. And then, if it works, maybe tease us with some new, interesting skull at the end. :P
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 25, 2014, 12:17:28 AM
@Nightmare Asylum and Openmaw
Genius....
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With talent like this on board, consider me intrigued. Black hasn't really written or directed a bad movie yet, and Dekker has done some fine work as well.
As long as they dont try retelling predator 1,2 stories it would be interesting. but i have no idea how they could do a good one
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 24, 2014, 11:58:22 PM
People, keep it civil, please. Be respectful to other forum members, as per the rules.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
Lol you read comic books, and asked me if I counted the novelization as canon. Well I intern for an Oscar-winning producer, and get to do script coverage and accept/reject scripts. I think that's better than reading comic books.
Honestly, y'all should be happy. The dude who directed a big, billion dollar grossing Marvel movie, is taking the reigns of the Predator franchise. This isn't the Nightmare on Elm Street 5 dude. Or the Resident Evil dude. Or special fx guys.
This is SHANE BLACK. Get ready to get rocked.
If you truly do any of those things you claim, then what's with the unfounded hype? A Marvel movie is a compeltely different format to what a 'Predator' movie would need and you should realise that if you're actually sifting through scripts and chatting with Hollywood producers all day.
Stuff like 'The Long Kiss Goodnight' was excellent. On the other hand, 'Iron Man 3' has an extremely messy third act and suffers for it. If we get something like the former, then great. If it's more like the latter, all the flashy effects in the world won't detract from the undertone of disappointment it will generate in many people.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 24, 2014, 09:21:26 PM
Predators was already a reboot since it ignores AVP. I think it will be stupid to start over again when Predators is still recent and fresh on most people's minds.
There was no realistic way for it to have referenced that film without seeming like pointless exposition. It never contradicted any of the events.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:58:38 PM
I think for this one they're finally saying "go big or go home". Enough of these moderately sized movies.
The first one is still easily the best and is pretty much a relatively small-scale film. That's a big part of why it always worked so well. Predators don't suit massive epics very well, because then it switches from playing to their strengths to a generic flashy war thing. They're the epitome of one-one-one, need-to-become-the-beast-to-defeat-the-beast. It's difficult to transfer that symbolism to something massive in scale.
Ok. Where did I say that the new predator film should be anything like a marvel movie? Do you always put words in people's mouths? That's like you saying I said predator 2 has the format of elm street 5.
Quote from: 85 on Jun 24, 2014, 07:34:28 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/fox-rebooting-predator-shane-black-714598 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/fox-rebooting-predator-shane-black-714598)
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Quote"Black will write the treatment for the project, then will hand over scripting duties to Fred Dekker, his university chum with whom he wrote 1987's Monster Squad. Black will oversee the writing and is also attached to direct."
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 12:20:32 AM
Predator 2's ending and, to some extent, Predators (I liked the ideas of the hounds and stickman, and the concept of the planet, even the 'super Predators'-- the execution was a pretty lacking on most counts, but the ideas were very interesting in concept) did a pretty good job expanding that world, but I can't really imagine how much more they can
Yeah, what really is there to hate about Predators? It rehashed materials and had potential to be so much better? That's silly, its Predator, how much potential can it honestly have? Why can't fans be happy that directors and writers are willing to put time and effort in these films and produce it for you.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
Ok. Where did I say that the new predator film should be anything like a marvel movie? Do you always put words in people's mouths? That's like you saying I said predator 2 has the format of elm street 5.
Somewhere between you calling your father to tell him the
good news and Terminator 2 box office
My first post here, so hello folks.
My attitude to this rather leftfield announcement is pretty positive. Black's reputation as an exceptional screenwriter is well-earned IMO - the man knows how to tell stories. I wasn't totally blown away by IM3 TBH, but I reckon that was always going to be a bit Black-lite given that Marvel no doubt impose a house-style (mouse-style?) on their output. Predator shouldn't have too many cares on that front I wouldn't have thought, and at least Black now has a few action setpieces under his belt.
I'm not too concerned about the reboot word being bandied about either; in real terms, what difference would it actually make? I guarantee they will not go out of their way to contradict what has gone before. Why would they? All this talk of reboots will just be marketing flummery brought about to distance this project from the sequel and spin-offs that are generally perceived as mediocre.
With that in mind, and the fact that they have brought Shane Black on board (and not Zack Snyder or Brett Ratner or whoever), makes me think that this is a statement of intent; that Fox recognise the reputation of the franchise has taken a bit of a dip of late, and to get people back on board, they need to produce a quality product. And then a cheap sequel directed by Brett Ratner.
I'm taking the fact that I read this news while watching Hawkins' death scene to be a good omen. Seriously, I'm a bit freaked out by how coincidental that actually, is considering I haven't watched Predator in ages.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 25, 2014, 12:46:43 AM
Yeah, what really is there to hate about Predators? It rehashed materials and had potential to be so much better? That's silly, its Predator, how much potential can it honestly have? Why can't fans be happy that directors and writers are willing to put time and effort in these films and produce it for you.
That's not really how it works. There's money involved on both sides. They want our money. They should deliver something that will be worth the value of that money. Stan Winston always explained it the best way. You want to give the audience elements of the familiar, but also go beyond what was there in the original.
The biggest failing for Predators is that it's too much of the familiar and not enough of it's own ideas. The new ideas are just a little on the lackluster side in terms of their execution. One example, I think everybody pretty much feels this way on(not that I claim to speak for everyone, I know not everyone feels this way) would be the usage of the classic Predator. They made such a big deal about "the classic style Predator" returning, and it's there for about five minutes total, get's it's ass handed to it, and barely served any purpose. The fight scene had little creativity. We've never seen Predators fighting each other in one of the films. There was so much you could do with that alone. They hunt us with cunning and sadistic execution, but it amounted to a couple of animals bashing into each other for a couple minutes.
Just throwing out an idea, what if instead of the classic being released at the end, it had gotten free during the initial battle in the camp, and the movie suddenly became the story of the original predator, the super preds, and the humans in a three way battle for survival? The supers having to split their efforts to deal with both, and the humans playing the two Predator groups against each other? That would have been stepping further away from simply "group of tough guys fighting predators" the result also might give the Noland character a little more to do in the story also. At one point he recollects that he killed "two I think" what if those were the classic Predators hunting partners? Again, fleshing out the narrative and making things be less than just pieces of the plot to carry it forward. That's where Predators was weak. It was ultimately a 'well made' movie, but it wasn't anything spectacular.
Been reading on many sites, especially Bloody-Disgusting and Comicvine on the comments saying that this movie is likely going to be PG-13.. Seriously, what the f**k? The reboot was just announced today. There is no conclusive evidence that the movie is being aimed for a PG-13 rating, people. Calm yourselves down.
I'm okay with this. ;D Don't be color by numbers though, something a little different. I'll just be happy to see Predator back on the big screen, this just came out of nowhere!
I demand an explanation Fox Studios.
You know what they should do? Reboot the series with a new predator movie, but have no Predators in it. Kinda like prometheus ;p
lupita nyong'o better have a role in this
Quote from: MudButt on Jun 25, 2014, 03:43:17 AM
lupita nyong'o better have a role in this
As a Predatoress?
no because they'll be in Africa and they need a native prisoner like in the first one
Quote from: MudButt on Jun 25, 2014, 04:17:06 AM
no because they'll be in Africa and they need a native prisoner like in the first one
Is that announced?
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 25, 2014, 04:22:33 AM
Quote from: MudButt on Jun 25, 2014, 04:17:06 AM
no because they'll be in Africa and they need a native prisoner like in the first one
Is that announced?
in my mind yes
Hope the movie will be called Predatorses.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/fox-rebooting-predator-shane-black-714598 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/fox-rebooting-predator-shane-black-714598)
http://www.nerdist.com/2014/06/iron-man-3s-shane-black-tapped-for-predator-reboot/ (http://www.nerdist.com/2014/06/iron-man-3s-shane-black-tapped-for-predator-reboot/)
*Sigh!* OK OK, look I don't wanna come on here and moan like a bitch, I really don't, but yet again Hollywood gives me a reason.
Firstly...didn't Predator get rebooted already by R Rodriguez? yeah I know it was his version but lets be honest it was a reboot.
What is the point of this? really I mean it...what is the fudging point of rebooting one of the greatest flipping sci-fi horror action flicks ever made?! I don't care who is writing it, THERE IS NO POINT IN THIS ESCAPADE.
1. The AvP films were poor, why not reboot those and make them as they should of been, in other words for adults and not like a cheap videogame fight sequence. I'm sure there could be an awesome AvP film with some proper effort and decent input from the likes of Black. I'm totally all for a reboot of this franchise as it rocks...or could rock, it deserves another chance.
2. I'm still waiting on news for Predators 2, which as I already said in my view is a Predator reboot. I would like to see that franchise carry on for another movie.
3. Instead of doing this pointless reboot of a classic, why not make PREDATOR 3!!!!! For f*ck's sake I'm willing to bet everyone would much prefer a sequel to the original franchise.
Here's a thought, seeing as Arnie is still desperate to make everyone believe he is still young and badass why not offer him Predator 3. While we're at it lets get Glover back too, old man Dutch and old man Harrigan back to fight the Preds. Now wouldn't that be kickass eh, no need for a stupid reboot that will bomb, lets utilise Arnie while we still can and while he's up for it. Sounds like the perfect retro reboot sequel to me.
Goodness. Well, that's an interesting route to take. As is, Predators was essentially a reboot, as Hubbs just yammered on about. Sure, they made reference to the original, and attempted desperately to recreate it, but it stands on it's own. Not well, b/c it was only mediocre. We'll have to see where this goes, though I'd like to see it taken in a different direction. No tropical forests please...
Why reboot the franchise when they can finish off were Predators left off? The last movie made a good amount of money at the box office and has a fresh rating on rotten tomatoes. Compare to the AVP movies, I think Predators did pretty well. It been four years, it's still new and fresh. People went to see a solo Predator movie after 20 years after Predator 2 and it did just fine after AVPR sucking so much.
See, Hollywood throws around "reboot" so much these days they don't even know what it means anymore. So I wouldn't take it as anything but a grain of salt UNTIL we get some kind of a sniff regarding the actual plot synopsis. Only then can we even begin to really see if this will be a genuine reboot, or just some Hollywood buzz word crap that is just them trying to say "we're making another one, but this is more or less nothing to do with PREDATORS."
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Jun 25, 2014, 05:03:32 AM
No tropical forests please...
Only one other place left to go for this franchise.. The Desert!
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 25, 2014, 05:01:28 AM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/fox-rebooting-predator-shane-black-714598 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/fox-rebooting-predator-shane-black-714598)
http://www.nerdist.com/2014/06/iron-man-3s-shane-black-tapped-for-predator-reboot/ (http://www.nerdist.com/2014/06/iron-man-3s-shane-black-tapped-for-predator-reboot/)
*Sigh!* OK OK, look I don't wanna come on here and moan like a bitch, I really don't, but yet again Hollywood gives me a reason.
Firstly...didn't Predator get rebooted already by R Rodriguez? yeah I know it was his version but lets be honest it was a reboot.
What is the point of this? really I mean it...what is the fudging point of rebooting one of the greatest flipping sci-fi horror action flicks ever made?! I don't care who is writing it, THERE IS NO POINT IN THIS ESCAPADE.
1. The AvP films were poor, why not reboot those and make them as they should of been, in other words for adults and not like a cheap videogame fight sequence. I'm sure there could be an awesome AvP film with some proper effort and decent input from the likes of Black. I'm totally all for a reboot of this franchise as it rocks...or could rock, it deserves another chance.
2. I'm still waiting on news for Predators 2, which as I already said in my view is a Predator reboot. I would like to see that franchise carry on for another movie.
3. Instead of doing this pointless reboot of a classic, why not make PREDATOR 3!!!!! For f*ck's sake I'm willing to bet everyone would much prefer a sequel to the original franchise.
Here's a thought, seeing as Arnie is still desperate to make everyone believe he is still young and badass why not offer him Predator 3. While we're at it lets get Glover back too, old man Dutch and old man Harrigan back to fight the Preds. Now wouldn't that be kickass eh, no need for a stupid reboot that will bomb, lets utilise Arnie while we still can and while he's up for it. Sounds like the perfect retro reboot sequel to me.
You're quoting yourself now? f**k, as if one post wasn't enough.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 25, 2014, 05:18:48 AM
You're quoting yourself now? f**k, as if one post wasn't enough.
Well I thought it was such an important point it was worth mentioning twice :)
Quote*Sigh!* OK OK, look I don't wanna come on here and moan like a bitch, I really don't
Yes you do. Your whole reason for being is to moan like a bitch no matter what.
Predators was already Predator 3. The next movie will be Predator 4. I will wait to see what Fox officially has in plan before they officially start the franchise over. Going back to the Jungle again would be stupid since Predators already did that. AVP did a frozen ice land, AVPR did a small town setting and Predator did a huge city. I'm surprise Fox is not trying to bring back AVP instead.
There's already a Predator 3, it's called Predators. I'm still loving this news, by the way.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 25, 2014, 06:26:04 AM
Predators was already Predator 3. The next movie will be Predator 4. I will wait to see what Fox officially has in plan before they officially start the franchise over. Going back to the Jungle again would be stupid since Predators already did that. AVP did a frozen ice land, AVPR did a small town setting and Predator did a huge city. I'm surprise Fox is not trying to bring back AVP instead.
Oh, you don't get the director of one of the highest grossing movies of all time just to do a repeat. I'll bet you money that this thing is either going to be in space, or in the future on Earth. It's going to be a spectacle, I'll wager it.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 25, 2014, 05:12:18 AM
See, Hollywood throws around "reboot" so much these days they don't even know what it means anymore. So I wouldn't take it as anything but a grain of salt UNTIL we get some kind of a sniff regarding the actual plot synopsis. Only then can we even begin to really see if this will be a genuine reboot, or just some Hollywood buzz word crap that is just them trying to say "we're making another one, but this is more or less nothing to do with PREDATORS."
Yep. Reboot, in this sense, I'm prognosticating to be short for "this is another self-contained story". In any event, if the guy who did Iron Man 3 said "Yo, can I make a sixth Predator movie?" I'd be like yes, here's a blank check.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 25, 2014, 06:26:04 AM
Predators was already Predator 3. The next movie will be Predator 4. I will wait to see what Fox officially has in plan before they officially start the franchise over. Going back to the Jungle again would be stupid since Predators already did that. AVP did a frozen ice land, AVPR did a small town setting and Predator did a huge city. I'm surprise Fox is not trying to bring back AVP instead.
No it wasn't! was it?? :o
Already said that myself, they should totally reboot AvP, surely that's bloody obvious isn't it??!! why aren't they doing that damn it!
Quote from: SM on Jun 25, 2014, 06:14:22 AM
Quote*Sigh!* OK OK, look I don't wanna come on here and moan like a bitch, I really don't
Yes you do. Your whole reason for being is to moan like a bitch no matter what.
I can't deny you got me there.
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 25, 2014, 06:43:01 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 25, 2014, 06:26:04 AM
Predators was already Predator 3. The next movie will be Predator 4. I will wait to see what Fox officially has in plan before they officially start the franchise over. Going back to the Jungle again would be stupid since Predators already did that. AVP did a frozen ice land, AVPR did a small town setting and Predator did a huge city. I'm surprise Fox is not trying to bring back AVP instead.
No it wasn't! was it?? :o
It went out of its way to mention the events of the first movie.
The thing about rebooting AvP is that, well, there are GOOD Predator movies out there. Predator and Predators were well received. Both AvPs were thrashed, completely THRASHED, by critics and audiences alike. They were gutted. Had their clocks thoroughly cleaned.
Predators gave the solo series some good will, so now they can take a risk with another one of those movies. There is no goodwill banked with AvP. To attempt another AvP at this point in time would be janitorial work.
There was hardly any plot progression in Predator 2, asking for a Predator 3 would be like... ::) I don't know, Predators was fine, but it was still the same freaking formula the first two movies used.
Just wondering if someone could eventually find a different formula to apply to the Predator creature.
I'd be interested in seeing Riddick vs Predator xD
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 25, 2014, 05:01:28 AM
Here's a thought, seeing as Arnie is still desperate to make everyone believe he is still young and badass why not offer him Predator 3. While we're at it lets get Glover back too, old man Dutch and old man Harrigan back to fight the Preds. Now wouldn't that be kickass eh, no need for a stupid reboot that will bomb, lets utilise Arnie while we still can and while he's up for it. Sounds like the perfect retro reboot sequel to me.
...Arnold moves more awkwardly than the guy in the Predator suit of the original film
Honesty why Black and not Michael Bay
Quote from: SM on Jun 25, 2014, 06:14:22 AM
Yes you do. Your whole reason for being is to moan like a bitch no matter what.
SM, come on man...
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 06:26:35 AM
Oh, you don't get the director of one of the highest grossing movies of all time just to do a repeat. I'll bet you money that this thing is either going to be in space, or in the future on Earth. It's going to be a spectacle, I'll wager it.
You have literally nothing to base this on.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 25, 2014, 07:53:46 AM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 06:26:35 AM
Oh, you don't get the director of one of the highest grossing movies of all time just to do a repeat. I'll bet you money that this thing is either going to be in space, or in the future on Earth. It's going to be a spectacle, I'll wager it.
You have literally nothing to base this on.
Take his bet SiL! Student Loans are quite hefty!
Okay fine. Whatever the setting, it will still be a big spectacle movie. I base this on what was said in my first sentence.
Which is still based on absolutely nothing.
Shane Black wrote some of the biggest action movies, but Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was still a small film. It might be big. He might go back to the same scale as the original. You can't possibly know at this point.
Just going on my gut dude. I think someone finally said "How come Robocop, Terminator and Total Recall get these big budget redo's, and not Predator? Why was Predator reduced to a scaled back rehash of the original?"
It's also my desire. I want a big Predator. Give me the Terminator 2 of Predator films.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 08:21:42 AM
Just going on my gut dude. I think someone finally said "How come Robocop, Terminator and Total Recall get these big budget redo's, and not Predator? Why was Predator reduced to a scaled back rehash of the original?"
It's also my desire. I want a big Predator. Give me the Terminator 2 of Predator films.
Dude, its called Predator2...
Isn't Predator 2 the Weekend At Bernie's 2 of Predator films?
Quote from: Master on Jun 25, 2014, 08:28:16 AM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 08:21:42 AM
Just going on my gut dude. I think someone finally said "How come Robocop, Terminator and Total Recall get these big budget redo's, and not Predator? Why was Predator reduced to a scaled back rehash of the original?"
It's also my desire. I want a big Predator. Give me the Terminator 2 of Predator films.
Dude, its called Predator2...
LOL. That movie that was directed by the A Nightmare on Elm Street 5 dude?! Nah. Its scope was not on T2's level.
Hang on - do you want Judgment Day or Judgement Night?
I want something cerebral, big and rife with action. Strip away the horror!
You have got LA setting 90' style and an unknown killer rampaging through city. Oh and the script was written by Thomas brothers. I'd say it's high end predator film with bigger scale then P1, right there. But I can't blame you if you prefere Ps. Nobody's perfect.
Quote from: SM on Jun 25, 2014, 08:34:05 AM
Isn't Predator 2 the Weekend At Bernie's 2 of Predator films?
No, Weekend at the Bernie's 2 was better
Quote from: Master on Jun 25, 2014, 08:44:37 AM
You have got LA setting 90' style and an unknown killer rampaging through city. Oh and the script was written by Thomas brothers. I'd say it's high end predator film with bigger scale then P1, right there. But I can't blame you if you prefere Ps. Nobody's perfect.
I'll have to give it a rewatch...
I'm sorry I don't see why you guys criticize the Predator films so much. I enjoyed them a lot.
Because we love the 1987 film and know this franchise deserves better than the evil we've encountered so far: AvP, AvP 2, the Predator remake oops I mean Predators.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 08:49:01 AM
Quote from: Master on Jun 25, 2014, 08:44:37 AM
You have got LA setting 90' style and an unknown killer rampaging through city. Oh and the script was written by Thomas brothers. I'd say it's high end predator film with bigger scale then P1, right there. But I can't blame you if you prefere Ps. Nobody's perfect.
I'll have to give it a rewatch...
Good idea. It's actually a creative way to make a sequel. It uses similar concept with with every other idea being changed to fit P2 and P2 only. It's not copy/paste homagefest of Ps.
i had recently posted about my interest in shane blacks involvement in a new predator film . it's my birthday too,. great news .
Not sure how I feel about this.
On the plus side, SHANE F*CKING BLACK. With him writing and directing, it's sure to at least have something going for it. Based on his input at least I'll be going to see it. Hopefully his involvement might help it get the R rating it deserves, too, seeing as that's his pedigree (Iron Man 3 notwithstanding).
But I dunno if I like the idea of the film being a reboot. It's not like there's an overly invasive level of backstory that they need to wipe clean to make a new film work. It can quite easily be an unconnected sequel. I'd far prefer that.
As a slight aside - seriously, why do people keep claiming Predators was a reboot? It wasn't. It specifically mentions the events of the first film in dialogue. It was a sequel.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 09:07:25 AM
Not sure how I feel about this.
On the plus side, SHANE F*CKING BLACK. With him writing and directing, it's sure to at least have something going for it. Based on his input at least I'll be going to see it. Hopefully his involvement might help it get the R rating it deserves, too, seeing as that's his pedigree (Iron Man 3 notwithstanding).
But I dunno if I like the idea of the film being a reboot. It's not like there's an overly invasive level of backstory that they need to wipe clean to make a new film work. It can quite easily be an unconnected sequel. I'd far prefer that.
So basically a reboot anyway. Why are people saying shit like this? Who cares what they CALL it, it's probably still going to be an unconnected sequel. Reboot sounds cleaner than unconnected sequel though. Predators was a "reboot", but it's Predator 3.
Lol people are all acknowledging that the Predator movies are unconnected sequels, yet here comes another one that's also unconnected, yet they get their panties in a twist. Weird and odd and just very strange.
I don't give a f*ck if it's Shane Black. Don't re-boot a superb classic. You'll never top it. All we need is a good Predator 4.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 09:10:58 AMSo basically a reboot anyway. Why are people saying shit like this? Who cares what they CALL it, it's probably still going to be an unconnected sequel. Reboot sounds cleaner than unconnected sequel though. Predators was a "reboot", but it's Predator 3.
Do you even know what a reboot is? A reboot totally overwrites all that came before it, rendering it null and void.
Batman Begins/
The Dark Knight was a reboot, because it negated the Joker story told previously in the 1989 film.
Not only did
Predators not negate the events of the earlier films, it specifically acknowledged that the first movie happened. Ergo, it is not, in a million years, a reboot.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 09:10:58 AMLol people are all acknowledging that the Predator movies are unconnected sequels, yet here comes another one that's also unconnected, yet they get their panties in a twist. Weird and odd and just very strange.
I'm complaining because it's a reboot, when I'd much rather just see another sequel, and there's literally
no reason they couldn't do that. It's not like they've boxed themselves into a corner plot-wise.
i think shane knows what palms to grease and strings to pull for this to work. thank christ its not predators 2 or some cheaper hands involved .
Predators was also called a reboot at the beginning of it's production! What we've got was sequel/spinoff that resembled original in far too many scenes. I don't think they'll make a total remake of 87 film now. It'll probably be just another unrelated sequel. I'm totaly fine with that.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 09:10:58 AMSo basically a reboot anyway. Why are people saying shit like this? Who cares what they CALL it, it's probably still going to be an unconnected sequel. Reboot sounds cleaner than unconnected sequel though. Predators was a "reboot", but it's Predator 3.
Do you even know what a reboot is? A reboot totally overwrites all that came before it, rendering it null and void. Batman Begins/The Dark Knight was a reboot, because it negated the Joker story told previously in the 1989 film.
Not only did Predators not negate the events of the earlier films, it specifically acknowledged that the first movie happened. Ergo, it is not, in a million years, a reboot.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 09:10:58 AMLol people are all acknowledging that the Predator movies are unconnected sequels, yet here comes another one that's also unconnected, yet they get their panties in a twist. Weird and odd and just very strange.
I'm complaining because it's a reboot, when I'd much rather just see another sequel, and there's literally no reason they couldn't do that. It's not like they've boxed themselves into a corner plot-wise.
Dude. If Shane says it's a complete reboot and that none of the other movies exist in this canon, just PRETEND IT DOES and PRETEND it's an unrelated sequel hahaha.
The word reboot is thrown around too much these days and it could mean all manner of things. Star Trek was a reboot/remake in that it is using old characters but through completely new (and I did like how they did it, despite what I think of the films over all) stories and that both existing concurrently. Predators was a reboot in that it re-vitalized the franchise and used some tropes from the original.
I don't mind seeing another "reboot" in that respect but there's really no point in remaking Predator. I agree it's the AvP movies that are in dire need of a reboot. I'd rather them continue the story of Predators but the Predator series is so versatile with its stories that I'd love to see some past stories (WW2) or something in Iraq/Afghanistan.
I also don't mind Shane Black being involved. I've only really seen Iron Man 3 (which I did enjoy) and it's nice to have it back in the family. I do think it's about time Paul what's his face left though.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 08:38:03 AM
LOL. That movie that was directed by the A Nightmare on Elm Street 5 dude?! Nah. Its scope was not on T2's level.
You mean the guy who also went on to direct 24?
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 09:28:53 AMDude. If Shane says it's a complete reboot and that none of the other movies exist in this canon, just PRETEND IT DOES and PRETEND it's an unrelated sequel hahaha.
I'm not saying I'll lose sleep over it. I'm just saying it pisses me off how Hollywood is rebooting/remaking everything these days, and 99% of them are crap. At least if it's a sequel I can take it on it's own terms, instead of directly comparing it with the original.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 25, 2014, 09:31:22 AMThe word reboot is thrown around too much these days and it could mean all manner of things.
What it actually means is "to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning." But nobody seems to know that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 25, 2014, 09:31:22 AMI'd rather them continue the story of Predators but the Predator series is so versatile with its stories that I'd love to see some past stories (WW2) or something in Iraq/Afghanistan.
I still wanna see a Predator movie set in 'Nam, I think there's a lot to go on with something like that.
f**k no to Vietnam. No jungle, I tired of jungle. Deserts, Mediterranean islands, volcanic islands or even hot summer in central Europe/USA but please no more jungle.
There will always be comparisons to the original, whether it's a remake, reboot, sequel, prequel, etc. I don't think the studio gives a shit how you digest and compare, just that you pay for a ticket.
if he hires legend studios and gets 100 million+ budget and proper casting then im confident i will enjoy this.
Quote from: Master on Jun 25, 2014, 09:38:56 AMf**k no to Vietnam. No jungle, I tired of jungle. Deserts, Mediterranean islands, volcanic islands or even hot summer in central Europe/USA but please no more jungle.
I think the Predator just belongs in the jungle. The dense foliage compliments its active camouflage. I agree it felt forced in
Predators, but with Vietnam you at least have a legitimate reason for things to take place in the jungle. Plus you also have war torn city settings you could use, such as Hue. I imagine you could make a great horror scene with a Predator in VC spider holes too. Not to mention Keyes actually says the Predators were in Vietnam in
Predator 2.
Quote from: worldpeace on Jun 25, 2014, 09:41:31 AMif he hires legend studios and gets 100 million+ budget and proper casting then im confident i will enjoy this.
Predator was made for $15 million. Big budget in no way equals good movie.
rating will let us know what the tone of this movie will be. i hope its bleak hard R rating. gory as f**k. but prometheus pg13 is more likely . shane "geez you gotta big pussy" black wrote lethal weapon and now a new predator film .. im impressed . arnold ? is that you ?
.
Greatly appealing thing about Predator (thanks to P2) is diversity of times and settings you can use. It's beyond me why majority thinks using same old, same old will be best. It's like eating same shit over and over again. I can't believe trying something new is worse then that.
Quote from: Master on Jun 25, 2014, 09:55:06 AMGreatly appealing thing about Predator (thanks to P2) is diversity of times and settings you can use. It's beyond me why majority thinks using same old, same old will be best. It's like eating same shit over and over again. I can't believe trying something new is worse then that.
Same old makes money. Look at
Call of Duty.
And what it have to do with us fans? I don't give a shit about money, that's studios problem . I good, fresh movie. What do you want?
I never said I agreed with it. But the studio cares about money above anything else.
I know, why wouldn't they? But what you really want?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 09:45:38 AM
Quote from: Master on Jun 25, 2014, 09:38:56 AMf**k no to Vietnam. No jungle, I tired of jungle. Deserts, Mediterranean islands, volcanic islands or even hot summer in central Europe/USA but please no more jungle.
I think the Predator just belongs in the jungle. The dense foliage compliments its active camouflage. I agree it felt forced in Predators, but with Vietnam you at least have a legitimate reason for things to take place in the jungle. Plus you also have war torn city settings you could use, such as Hue. I imagine you could make a great horror scene with a Predator in VC spider holes too. Not to mention Keyes actually says the Predators were in Vietnam in Predator 2.
Quote from: worldpeace on Jun 25, 2014, 09:41:31 AMif he hires legend studios and gets 100 million+ budget and proper casting then im confident i will enjoy this.
Predator was made for $15 million. Big budget in no way equals good movie.
no but it increases the amount and quality in predator makeup effects cgi , perhaps big name stars and good quality sets and studio and overall quality in the look and resources for the films artists. also 15 million wa a lot of cash in 1986. the economy has changed hugely
Quote from: worldpeace on Jun 25, 2014, 10:15:23 AMno but it increases the amount and quality in predator makeup effects cgi , perhaps big name stars and good quality sets and studio and overall quality in the look and resources for the films artists. also 15 million wa a lot of cash in 1986. the economy has changed hugely
Predator looks great. So does
Aliens, and that didn't cost that much more to make. With clever filmmaking, you don't need a big budget.
Look at the
Transformers movies. They have colossal budgets, and they suck. Fair enough they look very pretty, but in every other way they're awful.
I think i speak for everyone when i say that as long as this reboot doesn't:
A) turn out to be a remake
and
B) separate its self from the other films continuity wise.
then this is the best thing to happen to the predator since the first film. This is very exciting news.
I'm kind of torn on this. I'm glad Shane Black is in charge but, it's still a reboot of a classic film. I can guarantee the Predator they end up having won't look as good as Anytime.
I love Predator and it's sequel. Remaking it is suicide, cause you can't do better. I'll wait, see it and judge it. If it's shit, I still have two films I love.
I think with this reboot, unlike others Hollywood has done in the past six years or so, this one could actually be really good. I have faith in Mr. Black (an inside Pred reference, who knew).
I still have impression it's as much of remake as PS was. Let's wait and see what the man in charge have to say about it.
I'm sure Shane Black of all people is really gonna want to do a remake of his first film. ::)
(he helped write it btw. A decent chunk of the dialogue we love from Predator is his.)
He's the only writer/director i'd trust to easily deliver a film on par with the first. Definitely not a fanwanky hack like Rodriguez or a generic director like Antall.
The real question is who should be the lead.... I say, let's bring the ROCK into this. X) :laugh: Dude can handle the physicality, drama and sell the fun dialogue.
Vin Diesel, Dwayne ROCK Johnson, Manu Bennet and Gerard Buttler are first few that come in to my mind.
Yeah I hope this isn't just a remake of the first movie. That would be pointless.
And I'm not exactly sure how you reboot Predator since it more or less doesn't have a continuous story or cast.
It would be funny if this takes place in an alternative timeline where Hawkins survives the events of the first film, and therefore SB reprise the role as a higher ranking official.
Shane Black could easily cast himself as a different character. Dude looks different now. :laugh:
Hell no to Vin Diesel. I could see Gerard Butler though.
Quote from: tmjhur on Jun 25, 2014, 11:47:06 AMIt would be funny if this takes place in an alternative timeline where Hawkins survives the events of the first film, and therefore SB reprise the role as a higher ranking official.
:laugh: Captain 'Geez My Girlfriend Has a Big P*ssy'.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 08:21:42 AM
I think someone finally said "How come Robocop, Terminator and Total Recall get these big budget redo's, and not Predator? Why was Predator reduced to a scaled back rehash of the original?"
Those movies weren't much bigger than the movies they rebooted.
Salvation was hardly that much "bigger" than T2, etc.
QuoteIt's also my desire.
Which is irrelevant.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 11:49:38 AM
Hell no to Vin Diesel. I could see Gerard Butler though.
Quote from: tmjhur on Jun 25, 2014, 11:47:06 AMIt would be funny if this takes place in an alternative timeline where Hawkins survives the events of the first film, and therefore SB reprise the role as a higher ranking official.
:laugh: Captain 'Geez My Girlfriend Has a Big P*ssy'.
Diesel always were my first choice. He was created for role in predator franchise. Still, we need more then one big guy. Wht not have all of them in?
Get Chris Hemsworth a crack.
I'm calling it now: Dwayne Johnson for a major role, possibly the lead.
Quote from: Master on Jun 25, 2014, 11:58:57 AMDiesel always were my first choice. He was created for role in predator franchise. Still, we need more then one big guy. Wht not have all of them in?
I just don't think Diesel has anything like enough charisma for the lead role. Johnson and Butler, sure, but not Diesel.
Vern's reaction:
http://www.outlawvern.com/2014/06/25/black-dekker-predator/#more-21465 (http://www.outlawvern.com/2014/06/25/black-dekker-predator/#more-21465)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2014, 12:03:42 PM
I'm calling it now: Dwayne Johnson for a major role, possibly the lead.
Together with Diesel and I'm 100% sold!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 12:05:32 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 25, 2014, 11:58:57 AMDiesel always were my first choice. He was created for role in predator franchise. Still, we need more then one big guy. Wht not have all of them in?
I just don't think Diesel has anything like enough charisma for the lead role. Johnson and Butler, sure, but not Diesel.
How about his role as Riddick or Dominic Torreto? He was pure charisma there! Or in Find me Guilty. He is great!
I wouldn't mind seeing Vin Diesel in this as he's a bona fide action star. I also like Ghostface's idea of putting in Chris Hemsworth. He's a young actor who I think has good potential. Not gonna lie, I also kind of want Jason Statham because I always enjoy a wise-cracking Brit.
InB4 Tom Cruise
I'm not sure Chemsworth ( ;D) isn't too young for Predator, but I'm not saying no. I love Statham as the other guy, so hell yeah if his in.
I'd love to see Paul Bettany too, but in my idea of predator film.
I just want someone with decent acting chops, doesn't have to be the stereotypical action hero.
We had. Brody in Ps.
Reading through this thread, and people are getting way too hung up on the word "reboot" (which is understandable, since I don't think anyone, even Hollywood, knows what it means at this point).
But the way I see it is, we were never going to get a direct sequel to Predators, so whether the new movie is advertised as a reboot or sequel or whatever its going to be its own thing just like all three films to date have been.
Quote from: Master on Jun 25, 2014, 12:13:00 PMHow about his role as Riddick or Dominic Torreto? He was pure charisma there! Or in Find me Guilty. He is great!
He was decent in
Pitch Black, but not the other Riddick films. And in the
F&F franchise he's just an immovable object, he doesn't really have any personality.
Quote from: Master on Jun 25, 2014, 12:30:58 PM
We had. Brody in Ps.
I'd take Brody over someone like Bautista as the lead any day
Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 25, 2014, 12:40:04 PMI'd take Brody over someone like Bautista as the lead any day
Brody's a great actor, the script in
Predators just gave him nothing to do. For what it's worth, I thought he did quite a good job of playing a character that was clearly outside his comfort zone.
His acting was fine, people are just pissed that he didn't hit the roids long enough.
I actually thought he looked the part just fine. But the script made his character out to be an Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Adrien Brody just isn't that. Still, I genuinely enjoyed his attempt.
I'm with you. Arnie was perfect for Predator, but he was hardly a realistic commando.
Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 25, 2014, 12:40:04 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 25, 2014, 12:30:58 PM
We had. Brody in Ps.
I'd take Brody over someone like Bautista as the lead any day
Me too. I'm not saying he was bad. Just stating the fact something like this already happened.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 25, 2014, 12:13:00 PMHow about his role as Riddick or Dominic Torreto? He was pure charisma there! Or in Find me Guilty. He is great!
He was decent in Pitch Black, but not the other Riddick films. And in the F&F franchise he's just an immovable object, he doesn't really have any personality.
He was very good in FF 1&2. I don't recognize any other ;D
He is very good actor for an action hero. He is my first choice for Predator franchise foryears now.
Quote from: Master on Jun 25, 2014, 12:50:39 PMHe was very good in FF 1&2. I don't recognize any other ;D
He is very good actor for an action hero. He is my first choice for Predator franchise foryears now.
Lol Diesel wasn't even in the second
Fast & Furious film!
He's not a terrible actor - he's actually quite good in
Saving Private Ryan (people always forget he started in that) - but with action heroes charisma is usually more important than acting ability. Arnie can't act, but he has huge charisma. Same with Sylvester Stallone, or Dwayne Johnson. They aren't particularly great actors (although they have had their moments) but their charisma makes them likeable. Diesel doesn't really have any likeable charisma, for me at least. I enjoy seeing him in films, but I don't really root for him.
Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 25, 2014, 12:44:40 PM
His acting was fine, people are just pissed that he didn't hit the roids long enough.
Nah, I think he looked the part just fine. He just didn't have much to work with and, in the end, was kind of just there. He pretty much just said his lines and moved to the next set piece, not unlike Aaron Taylor-Johnson in
Godzilla, though Adrien Brody was nowhere near as boring as he was.
I like Brody and still maintain that he was an excellent choice for the film. He wasn't bad, he just... wasn't really memorable, unfortunately.
Where else could they possibly hunt? We did the jungle twice and the city.
Although I would not mind if this was based on that Predator game Concrete Jungle, which was brilliant.
Quote from: Aspie on Jun 25, 2014, 01:13:51 PMAlthough I would not mind if this was based on that Predator game Concrete Jungle, which was brilliant.
The story in that was great. You'd need a huge budget to realise it though, with the future city setting. Also I dunno how well a Predator leading character would work in a movie.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 01:15:59 PM
Quote from: Aspie on Jun 25, 2014, 01:13:51 PMAlthough I would not mind if this was based on that Predator game Concrete Jungle, which was brilliant.
The story in that was great. You'd need a huge budget to realise it though, with the future city setting. Also I dunno how well a Predator leading character would work in a movie.
Mannnnn Shane Black should be oozing with money after his shit-directing rode on Marvel's reputation and scored a billion for IM3 :P
Plus a Predator lead character does sound risky, but it might be just what the franchise needs. I think it would be amaze if done correctly.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 12:34:44 PM
But the way I see it is, we were never going to get a direct sequel to Predators, so whether the new movie is advertised as a reboot or sequel or whatever its going to be its own thing just like all three films to date have been.
That's fine, considering Predators sucked. I just wanted a continuation of the Predator story, with the same concept of a lone Predator hunting a group of soldiers.
I wouldn't mind seeing more than one Predator, actually. Maybe two hunting together could make for an interesting dynamic (as long as they don't get killed off immediately like the ones in Predators). We might even see one of them make it out alive by the end, which would be new.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 01:24:23 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing more than one Predator, actually. Maybe two hunting together could make for an interesting dynamic (as long as they don't get killed off immediately like the ones in Predators). We might even see one of them make it out alive by the end, which would be new.
Predator: Concrete Jungle has that. Except for the hunting together part. One has to take out the other because he isn't abiding by the honor code.
Quote from: Aspie on Jun 25, 2014, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 01:24:23 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing more than one Predator, actually. Maybe two hunting together could make for an interesting dynamic (as long as they don't get killed off immediately like the ones in Predators). We might even see one of them make it out alive by the end, which would be new.
Predator: Concrete Jungle has that. Except for the hunting together part. One has to take out the other because he isn't abiding by the honor code.
You (as the Predator) gotta take out 3 other Predators actually which have been twisted into super cyborg things at the command of Borgia Industries, which has stolen the technology you left behind in your reckless escape over a century ago and manipulated the predator technology, which is why after a century of being in exile on some remote planet some Predators pick you back up so that you may redeem yourself by taking down those responsible for manipulating the technology.
My only objection to making a Concrete Jungle movie is the direct references to Weyland-Yutani, and having two levels with aliens as enemies near the end. I let it slide in a game about Predator, but a movie? Noooo.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 01:24:23 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing more than one Predator, actually. Maybe two hunting together could make for an interesting dynamic (as long as they don't get killed off immediately like the ones in Predators). We might even see one of them make it out alive by the end, which would be new.
Eh. Predator is a very simple concept. I don't want a bloated film.
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Jun 25, 2014, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: Aspie on Jun 25, 2014, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 01:24:23 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing more than one Predator, actually. Maybe two hunting together could make for an interesting dynamic (as long as they don't get killed off immediately like the ones in Predators). We might even see one of them make it out alive by the end, which would be new.
Predator: Concrete Jungle has that. Except for the hunting together part. One has to take out the other because he isn't abiding by the honor code.
You (as the Predator) gotta take out 3 other Predators actually which have been twisted into super cyborg things at the command of Borgia Industries, which has stolen the technology you left behind in your reckless escape over a century ago and manipulated the predator technology, which is why after a century of being in exile on some remote planet some Predators pick you back up so that you may redeem yourself by taking down those responsible for manipulating the technology.
My only objection to making a Concrete Jungle movie is the direct references to Weyland-Yutani, and having two levels with aliens as enemies near the end. I let it slide in a game about Predator, but a movie? Noooo.
I'm sure they would take the Aliens and any references to them out :P
But damn it sounds like a kewl way to go for a Predator movie.
Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 25, 2014, 12:49:48 PM
I'm with you. Arnie was perfect for Predator, but he was hardly a realistic commando.
None of his team really were. It was all typical 80's style fire-from-the-hip realism. But it worked, it worked really well for an action movie.
Would be interesting to see if they are going for a more "realistic" feel this time.
Quote from: Aspie on Jun 25, 2014, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 01:24:23 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing more than one Predator, actually. Maybe two hunting together could make for an interesting dynamic (as long as they don't get killed off immediately like the ones in Predators). We might even see one of them make it out alive by the end, which would be new.
Predator: Concrete Jungle has that. Except for the hunting together part. One has to take out the other because he isn't abiding by the honor code.
I really don't care for honor codes and whatnot (they hunt people for sport, there is no honor there :P ), but I wouldn't mind seeing a Pred take another one down if it fits the story.
Predators gave us that, but it wasn't really that great a fight. A lot of thrashing around and then decapitation... followed by another decapitation a few minutes later. How original. :D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 01:24:23 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing more than one Predator, actually. Maybe two hunting together could make for an interesting dynamic (as long as they don't get killed off immediately like the ones in Predators). We might even see one of them make it out alive by the end, which would be new.
Eh. Predator is a very simple concept. I don't want a bloated film.
I don't really see that as bloated, myself. Two Preds going tag team (maybe at first the characters don't even realize that there are two of them) could allow them to set up some interesting traps and whatnot that we have never seen. There were multiple Preds in
Predators, but they never really interacted with each other and worked together. Seeing them work almost as one could be interesting.
On the alternative, seeing them work against each other could also be interesting. Two Predators choosing the same game area and winding up in conflict with one another. It sounds a bit like the Berserker vs Classic situation in
Predators, but that could definitely be refined and made better.
I dunno. Just spitballing here. Like I said yesterday, I'm just going to sit back and watch how this plays out, hope for the best. As long as its fun I'll be pretty happy. Oh, and let it have some great Predator suits. I loved the look of the super Predators in
Predators, but the suits themselves were kind of lacking. Bring back the face articulation of the first two films.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2014, 01:22:32 PM
That's fine, considering Predators sucked. I just wanted a continuation of the Predator story, with the same concept of a lone Predator hunting a group of soldiers.
Ugh. We've already seen that film.
To hell with this "let's repeat the same basic setup" noise. :P
This is good news, hopefully they try and go in a different direction and avoid remaking the original, there really is no point doing that. It will be interesting to see if they make any changes to the Predators themselves.
I think I'll be looking forward to this more than Prometheus 2.
This is good news, hopefully they try and go in a different direction and avoid remaking the original, there really is no point doing that. It will be interesting to see if they make any changes to the Predators themselves.
I think I'll be looking forward to this more than Prometheus 2.
Quote from: Aspie on Jun 25, 2014, 01:51:51 PM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Jun 25, 2014, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: Aspie on Jun 25, 2014, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 01:24:23 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing more than one Predator, actually. Maybe two hunting together could make for an interesting dynamic (as long as they don't get killed off immediately like the ones in Predators). We might even see one of them make it out alive by the end, which would be new.
Predator: Concrete Jungle has that. Except for the hunting together part. One has to take out the other because he isn't abiding by the honor code.
You (as the Predator) gotta take out 3 other Predators actually which have been twisted into super cyborg things at the command of Borgia Industries, which has stolen the technology you left behind in your reckless escape over a century ago and manipulated the predator technology, which is why after a century of being in exile on some remote planet some Predators pick you back up so that you may redeem yourself by taking down those responsible for manipulating the technology.
My only objection to making a Concrete Jungle movie is the direct references to Weyland-Yutani, and having two levels with aliens as enemies near the end. I let it slide in a game about Predator, but a movie? Noooo.
I'm sure they would take the Aliens and any references to them out :P
But one of the characters important to the story is MOTHER (and also does the narration of the story), which is from Alien franchise as well. The "Predator" part of the title is kinda misleading with this game, sure you are the Predator, but there is so many ideas from Alien, even the human walkers resemble powers loaders, and there's an aircraft resembling colonial marine drop ships.
But anyway, ultimately it's too early to say if I'm interested or not in this movie, I need to see a lot more than an announcement, but seeing "Predator" and "Reboot" in the same sentence does make me cringe. I doubt it's going to be near the same as the first Predator as Shane Black was already in that story so I doubt he wants to be too "repetitive", and I highly doubt Concrete Jungle will become a movie thing, because the game has already told that story in the first place.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jun 25, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2014, 01:22:32 PM
That's fine, considering Predators sucked. I just wanted a continuation of the Predator story, with the same concept of a lone Predator hunting a group of soldiers.
Ugh. We've already seen that film.
To hell with this "let's repeat the same basic setup" noise. :P
If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jun 25, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
To hell with this "let's repeat the same basic setup" noise. :P
Agreed. I don't want the film to get too big (Predator isn't an epic or anything of the like), but I also don't want the same movie redone. Keep it similar in style and tone to the first three, but also give it its own ideas to work with and its own identity.
Predator 2, ridiculous as it was, did that and wound up being a lot of fun (and cheesy as hell, which adds to why its so lovable in my opinion).
Predators tried to play to even more new ideas, but wound up with its head stuck too far in the past. It retread on the original's ideas (and dialogue... and scenes... and characters) rather than more fully exploring the new ideas that it set on the table, which is a shame.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 02:56:59 PMPredator 2, ridiculous as it was, did that and wound up being a lot of fun (and cheesy as hell, which adds to why its so lovable in my opinion).
Agreed. Even though it didn't necessarily work (and almost certainly could've been done better) I at least liked that the first sequel tried to do something different.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 02:56:59 PM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jun 25, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
To hell with this "let's repeat the same basic setup" noise. :P
Agreed. I don't want the film to get too big (Predator isn't an epic or anything of the like), but I also don't want the same movie redone. Keep it similar in style and tone to the first three, but also give it its own ideas to work with and its own identity.
Predator 2, ridiculous as it was, did that and wound up being a lot of fun (and cheesy as hell, which adds to why its so lovable in my opinion). Predators tried to play to even more new ideas, but wound up with its head stuck too far in the past. It retread on the original's ideas (and dialogue... and scenes... and characters) rather than more fully exploring the new ideas that it set on the table, which is a shame.
Agreed. Predator 2
was at least fun though.
F**kin' birds....
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 02:56:59 PM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jun 25, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
To hell with this "let's repeat the same basic setup" noise. :P
Predator 2, ridiculous as it was, did that and wound up being a lot of fun (and cheesy as hell, which adds to why its so lovable in my opinion). Predators tried to play to even more new ideas, but wound up with its head stuck too far in the past. It retread on the original's ideas (and dialogue... and scenes... and characters) rather than more fully exploring the new ideas that it set on the table, which is a shame.
Following the formula wasn't what hurt Predator 2. As much fun as Predator 2 is, I have a hard time taking as seriously as the first film because the pacing sucks, some of the acting feels OTT, L.A. is portrayed in a very strange manner, Gary Busey, and so on.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2014, 03:16:59 PMFollowing the formula wasn't what hurt Predator 2. As much fun as Predator 2 is, I have a hard time taking as seriously as the first film because the pacing sucks, some of the acting feels OTT, L.A. is portrayed in a very strange manner, Gary Busey, and so on.
You took the first film seriously?! Arnold Schwarzenegger nails a man to a wall with a knife!
The end of the first movie gets kinda gritty, yeah, but so does the end of the second, once it's down to man vs. beast. The first is by no means more serious than the sequel.
Well what route would ya'll suggest to keep it fresh?
The Predator obviously only hunts prey that can possibly put up a fight, so it has to be elite commandos, soldiers, cops, etc,etc,etc.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 03:21:30 PM
You took the first film seriously?!
"Jeez you got a big pussy" is no laughing matter. That's deep stuff right there.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 03:21:30 PM
You took the first film seriously?!
"Jeez you got a big pussy" is no laughing matter. That's deep stuff right there.
i c u.
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Quote from: MudButt on Jun 25, 2014, 03:26:49 PMWell what route would ya'll suggest to keep it fresh?
The Predator obviously only hunts prey that can possibly put up a fight, so it has to be elite commandos, soldiers, cops, etc,etc,etc.
I'm not saying the new film shouldn't try something new. But
Predator is in no way more serious than it's sequel :)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 03:21:30 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2014, 03:16:59 PMFollowing the formula wasn't what hurt Predator 2. As much fun as Predator 2 is, I have a hard time taking as seriously as the first film because the pacing sucks, some of the acting feels OTT, L.A. is portrayed in a very strange manner, Gary Busey, and so on.
You took the first film seriously?! Arnold Schwarzenegger nails a man to a wall with a knife!
The end of the first movie gets kinda gritty, yeah, but so does the end of the second, once it's down to man vs. beast. The first is by no means more serious than the sequel.
It had hammy moments but I didn't feel like it was as ridiculous as Predator 2.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2014, 03:39:31 PMIt had hammy moments but I didn't feel like it was as ridiculous as Predator 2.
A man fires a minigun handheld. There is literally nothing as ridiculous as that in the sequel.
Also Arnie shoots a guy through a wall. (As in he shoots the guy, and he flies through the wall!)
Do you think they might perhaps introduce a whole new kind of "Predator" from the ground up? You know, replace the predator we know and love with something completely different in design but similar in purpose?
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 03:46:44 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2014, 03:39:31 PMIt had hammy moments but I didn't feel like it was as ridiculous as Predator 2.
A man fires a minigun handheld. There is literally nothing as ridiculous as that in the sequel.
Also Arnie shoots a guy through a wall. (As in he shoots the guy, and he flies through the wall!)
Glover has a trunk full of handguns at the ready. That wasn't ridiculous to you? And all of L.A. is depicted as Omaha Beach in the level of violence.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 01:24:23 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing more than one Predator, actually. Maybe two hunting together could make for an interesting dynamic (as long as they don't get killed off immediately like the ones in Predators). We might even see one of them make it out alive by the end, which would be new.
Eh. Predator is a very simple concept. I don't want a bloated film.
It's been a simple concept SO FAR. There's nothing wrong with world-expanding. I'm not sure I wanna watch another "simple" movie. This will be the sixth installment.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2014, 03:53:41 PM
Glover has a trunk full of handguns at the ready. That wasn't ridiculous to you? And all of L.A. is depicted as Omaha Beach in the level of violence.
Well, to be fair, it
was supposed to be L.A. in the future. :P
Youse need to modify dat post.
But in response, it was still nuts. It felt like a comic book.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2014, 03:53:41 PMGlover has a trunk full of handguns at the ready. That wasn't ridiculous to you? And all of L.A. is depicted as Omaha Beach in the level of violence.
I don't think you comprehend quite how mind-bogglingly stupid the idea of carrying around and firing a minigun is. Next to that, having a few shooters in your trunk is pretty much common sense.
Predator 2 is mad, sure. But it's by
no means more mad than the first one.
Would you folk prefer modern time, futuristic setting, or a period piece film?
Since we don't want a jungle again, or a city.
future setting plz
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 03:59:31 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2014, 03:53:41 PMGlover has a trunk full of handguns at the ready. That wasn't ridiculous to you? And all of L.A. is depicted as Omaha Beach in the level of violence.
I don't think you comprehend quite how mind-bogglingly stupid the idea of carrying around and firing a minigun is. Next to that, having a few shooters in your trunk is pretty much common sense.
Predator 2 is mad, sure. But it's by no means more mad than the first one.
Yes, firing a minigun by hand is 100% unrealistic. I understand. But so is having multiple handguns ready to go at a moment's notice, directly on the underside of your trunk.
You know, perhaps you're right about Predator 2 not being crazier than Predator, but Predator did a better job with its overall presentation, IMO.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 03:46:44 PM
Also Arnie shoots a guy through a wall. (As in he shoots the guy, and he flies through the wall!)
It could happen, you don't know. :D
Predator was aiming for an "exaggerated" reality. Predator 2 has an almost instantly dated "near future" where the bad guys are packing some of the strangest and heavy firepower they could possibly find, as if this were a gun-control advocates worst nightmare. Plus, I think the performances in
Predator are much more grounded and believable within the context of the film's world. The characters in P2 feel rather stiff. Leona in particular always came off as incredibly phony to me. The acting in that first scene in particular... Bill Paxton, as much as I love em, is just playing himself. Danny is a complete flatline. Harrigan is the only one who matches up with the cast of the original.
All the characters in the original film did have their traits, and were instantly identifiable in more than just two dimensions. And yes, given the time the film was made, and the content therein I would quantify some of the character traits as "subtle" by comparison to everything around them.
I can see it now. A witty condemnation of US forces in the middle east. Told from the perspective of a seal unit and a group of insurgents in the Afghan mountains with a predator picking them off. Insurgents think it's some Allah dude and the Americans get all paranoid it's the Russians.
Quote from: MudButt on Jun 25, 2014, 04:00:15 PM
Would you folk prefer modern time, futuristic setting, or a period piece film?
Since we don't want a jungle again, or a city.
I would really like to see a future setting for a Predator movie, something along the lines of the Concrete Jungle game. A period setting
could be cool, too, if done with some care.
I'm just hoping its a new instalment to the series and not a rehashed copy of the first film, if they find a way to have Arnold Schwarzenegger to return I'm all for it.
Don't think it will have the budget to go too far into the future
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 03:46:44 PM
A man fires a minigun handheld. There is literally nothing as ridiculous as that in the sequel.
Also Arnie shoots a guy through a wall. (As in he shoots the guy, and he flies through the wall!)
Fanboys + Nostalgia = Taking shit way too seriously since the 80's.
Umm Predator 2 was based in the future....
On top of that notion, quit saying that "the movie should be like this."
Last time a director paid attention to the fans we got Aliens vs Predator: Requiem...
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 25, 2014, 04:48:43 PM
Umm Predator 2 was based in the future....
On top of that notion, quit saying that "the movie should be like this."
Last time a director paid attention to the fans we got Aliens vs Predator: Requiem...
7 years in the future... People mean the future in that a 100 year's from now.
Mostly excited, as I love Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, but I really disliked Iron Man 3. Sill, fingers crossed :)
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Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 25, 2014, 04:48:43 PM
Umm Predator 2 was based in the future....
On top of that notion, quit saying that "the movie should be like this."
Last time a director paid attention to the fans we got Aliens vs Predator: Requiem...
7 years in the future... People mean the future in that a 100 year's from now.
I understand now.
Honestly you can put a predator in a highschool and depending how you twist it the potential could be there.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 25, 2014, 05:12:22 PM
Honestly you can put a predator in a highschool and depending how you twist it the potential could be there.
Predator in high school? They made that already. It's called AvP:R. :laugh:
Quote from: MudButt on Jun 25, 2014, 04:00:15 PM
Would you folk prefer modern time, futuristic setting, or a period piece film?
Since we don't want a jungle again, or a city.
Modern time, in the desert. Round out the environments that are used.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 25, 2014, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 25, 2014, 05:12:22 PM
Honestly you can put a predator in a highschool and depending how you twist it the potential could be there.
Predator in high school? They made that already. It's called AvP:R. :laugh:
"The stoner kid with the dread locks"
Not sure if I'm happy that they feel the need to reboot, I was happy with Predators direction.
I'm sure it will be a great film that I'll love but sounds like a step back to me.
-Lumberjack1988
Hey guys just to remind you all, this news has barely hit 72 hours of being on here. We don't know whether it will be a reboot or not so try to relish that at least it's in production.
:o
I don't know if it came from elsewhere, or if it popped into my mind on it's own, but I always though a WW1 era Predator would be very interesting. Trench warfare. 2 opposing sides have to come together to take out an otherworldly foe. Given that won't happen however, outer space is the way to go. But further into outer space than Predators went. I want my alien landscapes to look more alien. Unless i'm watching Stargate, in which case I wholly expect it to look like Vancouver & nearby areas.
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Jun 25, 2014, 05:59:25 PM
I don't know if it came from elsewhere, or if it popped into my mind on it's own, but I always though a WW1 era Predator would be very interesting. Trench warfare. 2 opposing sides have to come together to take out an otherworldly foe. Given that won't happen however, outer space is the way to go. But further into outer space than Predators went. I want my alien landscapes to look more alien. Unless i'm watching Stargate, in which case I wholly expect it to look like Vancouver & nearby areas.
My hometown Vancouver :D
Wouldn't trench warfare be a bit much for a Predator? They were constantly battling when soldiers hit the trenches, how could a Predator hunt in that mess.
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Jun 25, 2014, 05:59:25 PM
I don't know if it came from elsewhere, or if it popped into my mind on it's own, but I always though a WW1 era Predator would be very interesting. Trench warfare. 2 opposing sides have to come together to take out an otherworldly foe. Given that won't happen however, outer space is the way to go. But further into outer space than Predators went. I want my alien landscapes to look more alien. Unless i'm watching Stargate, in which case I wholly expect it to look like Vancouver & nearby areas.
i like that idea.
i'd like to see it have a sociological angle to it but not too oppressive. i think Afghanistan would be pretty great to use but i think a past setting like WW1 or WW2 would be equally good. different view points of the predator would be good. two sides fighting each other only to be confronted with another enemy that question their reasons to fight. i'd love it to be a PG-13 to piss off Hubbs and his post modernist ways
And the kid was a Predator the whole time.
I'd like to see the Predator's native planet in the next movie(s).
I hope it's not a reboot...I want to see more of Royce and the badass soldier chick...Are they seriously just going to ditch them on the planet without a follow-up movie?
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Jun 25, 2014, 06:51:02 PM
I hope it's not a reboot...I want to see more of Royce and the badass soldier chick...Are they seriously just going to ditch them on the planet without a follow-up movie?
Meh. Predators was
fine. But not worthy of a sequel.
I really liked the direction Predators went in.This is weird and I don't know why so many people are for it when Predators was a financial success and scored high on RT.
RIP ROYCE AND ISABELLE, WE WILL NEVER KNOW THEIR FATE.
Concrete Jungle adaptation or GTFO Shane
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Jun 25, 2014, 06:51:02 PM
I hope it's not a reboot...I want to see more of Royce and the badass soldier chick...Are they seriously just going to ditch them on the planet without a follow-up movie?
To be fair, none of the other characters from the first two were ever followed up on either. :P
I have nothing against
Predators, it's a sold film, but in hindsight there is just so much more that it could have been.
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Jun 25, 2014, 05:59:25 PM
I don't know if it came from elsewhere, or if it popped into my mind on it's own, but I always though a WW1 era Predator would be very interesting. Trench warfare. 2 opposing sides have to come together to take out an otherworldly foe.
Isn't there a comic where a Predator stalks both sides during the war? I think in the third omnibus.
-Lumberjack1988
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 07:03:35 PMTo be fair, none of the other characters from the first two were ever followed up on either. :P
Anna almost was, but her scenes were cut from
Predator 2. She appears on a monitor for about a second, but that's it.
Is her cut scene available anywhere? I've admittedly never seen it.
Random question, but does anyone have any suit performers in mind that they'd like to see play the Predator(s) this time? I know that some people felt that the Preds in Predators were a bit too stiff and without distinct personalities.
This is why this shouldn't be filmed in a city...
@Predator 2
QuoteThe filming of the alley scene was very troublesome for the filmmakers due to it being filmed in a very rough neighborhood. The alley was littered with garbage, most of which was used in the film, and plagued with large rats. Local residents angered by the noise created by the film crew would throw bottles and paper bags filled with feces from windows at the crew in the alley below. Worst of all, the film crew found a dead body hidden amongst the garbage.
Next movie will be set in China, I know what I'm saying ;)
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 25, 2014, 07:27:00 PM
This is why this shouldn't be filmed in a city...
@Predator 2
QuoteThe filming of the alley scene was very troublesome for the filmmakers due to it being filmed in a very rough neighborhood. The alley was littered with garbage, most of which was used in the film, and plagued with large rats. Local residents angered by the noise created by the film crew would throw bottles and paper bags filled with feces from windows at the crew in the alley below. Worst of all, the film crew found a dead body hidden amongst the garbage.
That just means they saved a lot of money on set dressing plus it's mega realistic.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 25, 2014, 07:27:00 PM
This is why this shouldn't be filmed in a city...
@Predator 2
QuoteThe filming of the alley scene was very troublesome for the filmmakers due to it being filmed in a very rough neighborhood. The alley was littered with garbage, most of which was used in the film, and plagued with large rats. Local residents angered by the noise created by the film crew would throw bottles and paper bags filled with feces from windows at the crew in the alley below. Worst of all, the film crew found a dead body hidden amongst the garbage.
They can always film city scenes somewhere nicer. Like Mogadishu.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 07:19:38 PMIs her cut scene available anywhere? I've admittedly never seen it.
Not as far as I know. I've never seen it either, but it's confirmed to exist.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 25, 2014, 07:27:00 PMThis is why this shouldn't be filmed in a city...
That has literally
nothing to do with the end product.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 07:19:38 PM
Random question, but does anyone have any suit performers in mind that they'd like to see play the Predator(s) this time? I know that some people felt that the Preds in Predators were a bit too stiff and without distinct personalities.
I'd love to see Ron Perlman do some work in a suit if he were still up for it. Brian Steele would be great. I forget his name, but the guy who worked on AvP:R did a fine job as Wolf.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 25, 2014, 08:05:06 PM
I forget his name, but the guy who worked on AvP:R did a fine job as Wolf.
Ian Whyte. When I met him at Monstermania 2007 when he came to my hometown, he had personally told me that he had watched the first two Predator movies to help him better emulate Kevin Peter Hall.
I'm a bit confused. Is this going to be a film rebooting the franchise with a sequel to the original Predator or is this an actual reboot, meaning it's going to be a remake of Predator 1 or considering itself the first movie in it's own universe?
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 25, 2014, 08:24:18 PM
or considering itself the first movie in it's own universe
I think that's the definition of a true reboot
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 25, 2014, 08:24:18 PM
I'm a bit confused. Is this going to be a film rebooting the franchise with a sequel to the original Predator or is this an actual reboot, meaning it's going to be a remake of Predator 1 or considering itself the first movie in it's own universe?
I personally am hoping that it's a reboot, rather than a sequel to the original movie. Right now though, to be fair.. It could go either way at this point.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 25, 2014, 07:19:38 PM
Is her cut scene available anywhere? I've admittedly never seen it.
Random question, but does anyone have any suit performers in mind that they'd like to see play the Predator(s) this time? I know that some people felt that the Preds in Predators were a bit too stiff and without distinct personalities.
The bloke from Iceland who portrayed the Mountain in GOT could be potentially intimidating as a Predator :P
Not to crazy bout this idea. Its gonna be RoboCop 2014 all over again. Predators while it was not a hit it was decent and opened the door for the series big time. This movie will likely be a less cool version of Predator 1987 starring the the Rock likely. The original had a lot going for it because it was a innovative movie that was different for its time. This one will be a complete rehash everyone will forget. This movies got some big shoes to fill.
Everybody's a Timelord.
What if the movie is about a couple that finds an orphan Predator left in Earth, and they have to learn about the Yautja culture of the Predator or whatever they're called? Could be interesting.
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3300488/shane-blacks-predator-will-sequel/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3300488/shane-blacks-predator-will-sequel/)
Figured as much, the term reboot is thrown around far too much these days.
I really like the idea of delving into the mythology of the creature for the sequel. There's a fair bit we don't know, in the movie universe, about Predators.
And it grows up to be the saviour not only of Metropolis, but all mankind.
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Jun 25, 2014, 10:23:49 PM
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3300488/shane-blacks-predator-will-sequel/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3300488/shane-blacks-predator-will-sequel/)
Figured as much, the term reboot is thrown around far too much these days.
I really like the idea of delving into the mythology of the creature for the sequel. There's a fair bit we don't know, in the movie universe, about Predators.
All that talk and a long ass Hubbs post over nothing. :laugh:
What if the movie is about a Predator trapped in a scientific facility where they're studying him/her, but the predator breaks out and has to use the resources around him to kill everyone and escape? could be really cool :)
wat if da predator was in new york lol
or wat if he was on da farm
maybe a viking ship lol ?
maybe in da desert..
I think a could idea would be the US army capturing a Predator and releasing it in Middle East. Lots of dead Talibans and so. Could be really cool to see Predator vs Terrorists. Plus, the predator wearing long desert robes and a turban or hood, would look really badass.
Humans capturing a predator would take away its power and sense of threat. But fighting the terrorists would be good.
I had an idea of my own for a new Predator movie. The original was very much a subversion of the typical action movies of the day. How about doing something similar for the action movies coming out now? It can be a safe, practically PG-13 romp for quite a while, then the Pred shows up and things get bloody.
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Jun 25, 2014, 10:23:49 PM
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3300488/shane-blacks-predator-will-sequel/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3300488/shane-blacks-predator-will-sequel/)
Figured as much, the term reboot is thrown around far too much these days.
I really like the idea of delving into the mythology of the creature for the sequel. There's a fair bit we don't know, in the movie universe, about Predators.
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Ok now im getting on the bus.
They better not switch up later on or im coming for their skulls!
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 10:42:55 PM
wat if da predator was in new york lol
or wat if he was on da farm
maybe a viking ship lol ?
maybe in da desert..
Predator should take over Mount Everest and not let anyone climb it anymore.
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Jun 25, 2014, 10:23:49 PM
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3300488/shane-blacks-predator-will-sequel/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3300488/shane-blacks-predator-will-sequel/)
Figured as much, the term reboot is thrown around far too much these days.
I really like the idea of delving into the mythology of the creature for the sequel. There's a fair bit we don't know, in the movie universe, about Predators.
OK now I like the idea of this more. Now I feel the series will be safe. Hell yea I'm all ready for another Predator movie!
If the movie is a sequel then I'm betting it's a direct sequel to Predators. Predators is a recent movie and I would imagine that Fox wants to finish where they left off. Rebooting after the last reboot so soon seems pointless.
But, lol, Shane just said that this isn't a reboot. And why would he want Antal's sloppy seconds? He's not touching that story. Guaranteed.
My prayers have been answered!!!
Now let the sequel give a slight nod to P2 as well continue from where Predators left off. Hawkins, you my nigga.
I assume this will have a Dutch cameo at the very least. That would be nice.
Kinda relieved to hear it's a sequel and not a reboot.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 12:23:49 AM
Ok. Where did I say that the new predator film should be anything like a marvel movie? Do you always put words in people's mouths? That's like you saying I said predator 2 has the format of elm street 5.
When you wrote this:
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 24, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
Honestly, y'all should be happy. The dude who directed a big, billion dollar grossing Marvel movie, is taking the reigns of the Predator franchise.
You were essentially saying that someone who's been heavily involved in a Marvel film is automatically a great choice for a '
Predator' film. I was pointing out that the Marvel experience is largely irrelevant, tone-wise.
You can find someone who's raised cattle all their life, but it doesn't mean they'll necessarily be great with a crocodile farm.
For all any of us know, there's an equal chance of it being good, bad or average. Hyping it as guaranteed success is just as bad as damning it as automatic failure.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 25, 2014, 03:59:31 PM
I don't think you comprehend quite how mind-bogglingly stupid the idea of carrying around and firing a minigun is. Next to that, having a few shooters in your trunk is pretty much common sense.
But the viewer tends to buy it. That's what matters. If we took out everything which, from a purely
technical point of view, is at least highly unlikely, how many action films out there would survive the cull? We watch them for escapist entertainment value, not because we secretly want to sit through '
Mythbusters'.
The catch is whether the stunt/spectacle/event is conveyed
effectively or not. Would Sandra Bullock have been able to leap between those space stations in real life? Hell, no. But you're not going to tell me that technical fact makes '
Gravity' any less compelling/powerful.
QuotePredator 2 is mad, sure. But it's by no means more mad than the first one.
It's
infinitely more insane... Where's the equivalent of, say, the old lady who single-handedly manages to destroy the tense atmosphere of the Predator's medical recovery scene with a comical, "I don't think he gives a shit"?
Stuff like that was just plain cringe-worthy.
Mmmmh, this thing they say that they want to turn Predator into a "rich mythology" makes me kind of uncomfortable.
I don't think the Predators need a "rich mythology", they have always been these phisically, tactically and technologically superior creatures whose, and that's the basic essence of these monsters. They don't need to turn this into Prometheus.
Unless they have a truly original idea, they're risking on turning the Predators into a generic alien civilization.
QuoteIt's infinitely more insane... Where's the equivalent of, say, the old lady who single-handedly manages to destroy the tense atmosphere of the Predator's medical recovery scene with a comical, "I don't think he gives a shit"?
Every time Shane Black tries to act.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 01:02:54 AM
Mmmmh, this thing they say that they want to turn Predator into a "rich mythology" makes me kind of uncomfortable.
I don't think the Predators need a "rich mythology", they have always been these phisically, tactically and technologically superior creatures whose, and that's the basic essence of these monsters. They don't need to turn this into Prometheus.
Unless they have a truly original idea, they're risking on turning the Predators into a generic alien civilization.
This, so much. We had a brief glimpse of a Predator homeworld in AvP:R and that was that. I don't want a detailed breakdown of Predator political life :P
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Jun 26, 2014, 12:31:14 AM
Kinda relieved to hear it's a sequel and not a reboot.
Same here boyfriend.I hope this is a sequel of Predators or an earth based entry as a proper sequel-side quel to Predator.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 26, 2014, 01:25:51 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 01:02:54 AM
Mmmmh, this thing they say that they want to turn Predator into a "rich mythology" makes me kind of uncomfortable.
I don't think the Predators need a "rich mythology", they have always been these phisically, tactically and technologically superior creatures whose, and that's the basic essence of these monsters. They don't need to turn this into Prometheus.
Unless they have a truly original idea, they're risking on turning the Predators into a generic alien civilization.
This, so much. We had a brief glimpse of a Predator homeworld in AvP:R and that was that. I don't want a detailed breakdown of Predator political life :P
Yeap. If they turn this into Starcraft, I will lose almost all my interest -____-
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 26, 2014, 01:25:51 AM
This, so much. We had a brief glimpse of a Predator homeworld in AvP:R and that was that. I don't want a detailed breakdown of Predator political life :P
I actually agree with this. I just feel that Predator culture has been explored enough as it is already. We already know that they are a clan based society, we know that each clan has different views on hunting and practices in the Hunt, and if you count the AvP films.. we know that they have a Predator-Prey relationship with the Xenomorphs. We've seen the Predator Homeworld (though for some fans, they claim it's colonized world) and we've seen a preserve planet and a sub-species of Predator.
What more could be explore or added onto without having influences of Alien or Prometheus in this?
What do we want to see in this movie? What don't we want to see?
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 01:02:54 AM
Mmmmh, this thing they say that they want to turn Predator into a "rich mythology" makes me kind of uncomfortable.
I don't think the Predators need a "rich mythology", they have always been these phisically, tactically and technologically superior creatures whose, and that's the basic essence of these monsters. They don't need to turn this into Prometheus.
Unless they have a truly original idea, they're risking on turning the Predators into a generic alien civilization.
Man you guys are boring. You want the same thing over and over again. I can't wait to see how he expands the universe. This is what I've always wanted.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 26, 2014, 01:55:12 AMWhat do we want to see in this movie? What don't we want to see?
That's exactly the question. In order to make a good sequel (or a new good Predator-featured story) they should have a really good idea, that takes advantage of the essence of the creature, without turning it into something different. Otherwise, it would be a cash-in and that's all.
It's not easy to tell new Predator stories. In Aliens there was a really important human element, in Predator, there isn't, there aren't many themes, simply survival. So you basically have to come with a different angle for the creature.
I think Predators was a good idea (famous human killers transported to another planet), but the movie wasn't great by any means. They have to come up with a really original idea in order to make something worthy of being considered a successor of the first movie.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 26, 2014, 01:55:12 AM
What do we want to see in this movie? What don't we want to see?
1. Predator being hunted by humans.
2. No Shokan Warriors.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 02:46:38 AM
2. No Shokan Warriors.
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Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 02:44:33 AM
It's not easy to tell new Predator stories. In Aliens there was a really important human element, in Predator, there isn't, there aren't many themes, simply survival. So you basically have to come with a different angle for the creature.
I share this sentiment because of the fact that the first movie was a very simplistic one. It was a modern retelling of Beowulf with elements of The Most Dangerous Game. Predator 2 was a similar concept except that it had expanded more on the Predators by introducing the idea that they are a clan based society, and of course had a code of ethics. PREDATORS... I felt like PREDATORS took more away than gave to the mythology.. With the preserve planet idea, what's the point of going to different worlds and isolating yourself in an alien environment which the Hunter has little to no familiarity or advantage in? From what I understand about Predators, part of the Hunt is about a Hunter challenging themselves to make it sporting. And then there was the idea of the Super Predators which I felt really devalued the original creatures.. And it tried to be the first movie in a sense.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 02:44:33 AM
I think Predators was a good idea (famous human killers transported to another planet), but the movie wasn't great by any means. They have to come up with a really original idea in order to make something worthy of being considered a successor of the first movie.
I would have to disagree that PREDATORS was a good idea. There were other scripts out there which I thought were more suited for filming. There was a Predator 3 script where they had a Hunter go after Dutch in New York while in the middle of a blizzard. I would've preferred to have that than PREDATORS. But you are right, where this upcoming sequel will fit in and what it will do all depends on Shane Black and the ideas he has in mind. Hopefully, it's still focused on the Hunt.. and not expanding on Predator culture which is what every sequel has done with mixed reactions.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 02:46:38 AM
1. Predator being hunted by humans.
We sort of had that with Predator 2, and we've sort of had that with PREDATORS... However I wouldn't mind something of a Anti-Predator strike team being deployed with acquired information from the Los Angeles incident via a debrief report from Garber. Better prepared human soldiers ready to eliminate Predator threats in different terrains would be interesting.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 02:46:38 AM
2. No Shokan Warriors.
Or Super Predators, Predator Kings, Hounds, Falcons, Human-Predator Slave trade relations, Spanish Galleons.
But I trust Shane Black and Fred Dekker to not use any of those ideas.
I've said it twice now and I'll say it again...
Here's a thought, seeing as Arnie is still desperate to make everyone believe he is still young and badass why not offer him Predator 3. While we're at it lets get Glover back too, old man Dutch and old man Harrigan back to fight the Preds. Now wouldn't that be kickass eh, no need for a stupid reboot that will bomb, lets utilise Arnie while we still can and while he's up for it. Sounds like the perfect retro reboot sequel to me.
That's all you need for a solid sequel, bring back the old boys with a few newbies and have them battle it out in a futuristic city on Earth (continuing on from Pred 2) or another planet/colony somewhere (like Aliens).
Or how about they find a Predator colony/planet/moon/base and send the old boys with some newbies to find out what they can and then nuke the site from orbit resulting in a last man standing pitch battle.
Hubbs have you been reading the 1994 Rodriguez script?
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 26, 2014, 03:04:05 AM
I've said it twice now and I'll say it again...
Here's a thought, seeing as Arnie is still desperate to make everyone believe he is still young and badass why not offer him Predator 3. While we're at it lets get Glover back too, old man Dutch and old man Harrigan back to fight the Preds. Now wouldn't that be kickass eh, no need for a stupid reboot that will bomb, lets utilise Arnie while we still can and while he's up for it. Sounds like the perfect retro reboot sequel to me.
That's all you need for a solid sequel, bring back the old boys with a few newbies and have them battle it out in a futuristic city on Earth (continuing on from Pred 2) or another planet/colony somewhere (like Aliens).
Or how about they find a Predator colony/planet/moon/base and send the old boys with some newbies to find out what they can and then nuke the site from orbit resulting in a last man standing pitch battle.
Arnold's not trying to convince anyone he's young and badass. In his recent action movies, he acknowledges the fact that he's old. Can't believe anyone would complain about more Arnold. What kinda movie fans are you?
This also, lol, is not a damn reboot. Hahahaha.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 26, 2014, 03:08:07 AM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 26, 2014, 03:04:05 AM
I've said it twice now and I'll say it again...
Here's a thought, seeing as Arnie is still desperate to make everyone believe he is still young and badass why not offer him Predator 3. While we're at it lets get Glover back too, old man Dutch and old man Harrigan back to fight the Preds. Now wouldn't that be kickass eh, no need for a stupid reboot that will bomb, lets utilise Arnie while we still can and while he's up for it. Sounds like the perfect retro reboot sequel to me.
That's all you need for a solid sequel, bring back the old boys with a few newbies and have them battle it out in a futuristic city on Earth (continuing on from Pred 2) or another planet/colony somewhere (like Aliens).
Or how about they find a Predator colony/planet/moon/base and send the old boys with some newbies to find out what they can and then nuke the site from orbit resulting in a last man standing pitch battle.
Arnold's not trying to convince anyone he's young and badass. In his recent action movies, he acknowledges the fact that he's old. Can't believe anyone would complain about more Arnold. What kinda movie fans are you?
This also, lol, is not a damn reboot. Hahahaha.
Oh its a reboot of sorts trust me, this ain't no all out sequel ::)
And I'm not complaining about more Arnie (at the moment despite the fact he's too old), I'm saying he should be in this new film with Glover to take on the Predator. That is the only way forward in my eyes, same kinda shit, throw in some newer muscle for Pred fodder and voila!
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 26, 2014, 03:19:25 AM
I'm saying he should be in this new film with Glover to take on the Predator.
Glover is pushing seventy as it is.. By the time this movie is in it's shooting stages, he might already end up being seventy! He's too old for this shit! Funny thing is, he's even said in an interview regarding if he would return for PREDATORS was that he was done with the franchise. So no, we're not getting Glover any time soon or at all.
Hubbs be madness. Wanting Glover to be in this movie, LAWL!
"The only way forward in my eyes."
Hubbs, that is a massive step backwards here. Having Glover and Arnie in this movie taking on the Predator, wut? What for?!
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 03:26:05 AM
Hubbs, that is a massive step backwards here. Having Glover and Arnie in this movie taking on the Predator, wut? What for?!
And having it set on the Predator homeworld, moon, colony... Sounds like the bad fanfiction Rodriguez wrote in 1994!
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 26, 2014, 03:26:50 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 03:26:05 AM
Hubbs, that is a massive step backwards here. Having Glover and Arnie in this movie taking on the Predator, wut? What for?!
And having it set on the Predator homeworld, moon, colony... Sounds like the bad fanfiction Rodriguez wrote in 1994!
I can't help but chuckle every time I'm reminded of that script.
I think an interesting idea could be around the Predator ship or weaponry. Humans stealing the Predator's weapons and the pred would have to fight them without any equipment.
Maybe an idea like a gladiator arena could be nice as well :)
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 26, 2014, 03:19:25 AM
Oh its a reboot of sorts trust me, this ain't no all out sequel ::)
Neither was
Predator 2...or
Predators... ::)
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 03:27:40 AM
Maybe an idea like a gladiator arena could be nice as well :)
I see what you did there.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 03:27:40 AM
Maybe an idea like a gladiator arena could be nice as well :)
Depends on how it's pulled off.. If it's on the Predator homeworld or something, that just screams the 1994 script which I think we want to avoid!
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 03:26:05 AM
Hubbs be madness. Wanting Glover to be in this movie, LAWL!
"The only way forward in my eyes."
Hubbs, that is a massive step backwards here. Having Glover and Arnie in this movie taking on the Predator, wut? What for?!
I don't really wanna see another band of roided up meatheads that are shoveled in front of a Pred to get blown apart. Glover can always play a part with more dialog over action, that's not hard. Are you guys seriously telling me you think
THAT'S funny when we are seeing Harrison Ford in
Expendables 3 and the new Star Wars films :o pot calling kettle black much?!
Arnie is perfect for the part now, he's dying to do more action flicks to prove to us he's still got it, so let the man kill stuff.
Have them both in the film and get wasted in a blaze of glory, now that would be original seeing Arnie getting killed off.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 03:27:32 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 26, 2014, 03:26:50 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 03:26:05 AM
Hubbs, that is a massive step backwards here. Having Glover and Arnie in this movie taking on the Predator, wut? What for?!
And having it set on the Predator homeworld, moon, colony... Sounds like the bad fanfiction Rodriguez wrote in 1994!
I can't help but chuckle every time I'm reminded of that script.
Best prequel to the old arcade Alien vs Predator... EVER.
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 26, 2014, 03:04:05 AM
I've said it twice now and I'll say it again...
Here's a thought, seeing as Arnie is still desperate to make everyone believe he is still young and badass why not offer him Predator 3. While we're at it lets get Glover back too, old man Dutch and old man Harrigan back to fight the Preds. Now wouldn't that be kickass eh, no need for a stupid reboot that will bomb, lets utilise Arnie while we still can and while he's up for it. Sounds like the perfect retro reboot sequel to me.
That's all you need for a solid sequel, bring back the old boys with a few newbies and have them battle it out in a futuristic city on Earth (continuing on from Pred 2) or another planet/colony somewhere (like Aliens).
Or how about they find a Predator colony/planet/moon/base and send the old boys with some newbies to find out what they can and then nuke the site from orbit resulting in a last man standing pitch battle.
Great, not only do you want to ruin the sequel but what's left of Arnie's career as well. What did the man ever do to you?
Reading this thread hurts.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 26, 2014, 03:32:15 AM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 26, 2014, 03:04:05 AM
I've said it twice now and I'll say it again...
Here's a thought, seeing as Arnie is still desperate to make everyone believe he is still young and badass why not offer him Predator 3. While we're at it lets get Glover back too, old man Dutch and old man Harrigan back to fight the Preds. Now wouldn't that be kickass eh, no need for a stupid reboot that will bomb, lets utilise Arnie while we still can and while he's up for it. Sounds like the perfect retro reboot sequel to me.
That's all you need for a solid sequel, bring back the old boys with a few newbies and have them battle it out in a futuristic city on Earth (continuing on from Pred 2) or another planet/colony somewhere (like Aliens).
Or how about they find a Predator colony/planet/moon/base and send the old boys with some newbies to find out what they can and then nuke the site from orbit resulting in a last man standing pitch battle.
Great, not only do you want to ruin the sequel but what's left of Arnie's career as well. What did the man ever do to you?
OK OK wait, let me sum up here...
No one wants Arnie back despite most of you all liking his new action flicks and you all want new
Conan,
True Lies 2,
Terminator 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12...flicks etc...Some how that is a step back and a bad move :o k.
Yet I'm hearing votes for a pathetic
Gladiator rip off! well geez...errrr yeah.
No one wants the film set on a Pred homeworld/colony/base etc...
No Pred cultural stuff or politics.
Can't be set in a jungle, city or snowy terrain.
And it must avoid anything to do with the 94 RR script for some reason.
So...basically you're not too picky then are you, what's left guys? a Pred challenging Vin Diesel to a game of conkers?
Lol think my post got deleted by accident or something. Ah well, won't bother typing it again.
QuoteOK OK wait, let me sum up here...
No one wants Arnie back despite most of you all liking his new action flicks and you all want new Conan, True Lies 2, Terminator 5,6,7,8,9,10... flicks etc... :o Some how that is a step back and a bad move :o k.
Yet I'm hearing votes for a pathetic Gladiator rip off! well geez...errrr yeah.
No one wants the film set on a Pred homeworld/colony/base etc...
No Pred cultural stuff or politics.
Can't be set in a jungle, city or snowy terrain.
And it must avoid anything to do with the 94 RR script for some reason.
So...basically you're not too picky then are you, what's left guys? a Pred challenging Vin Diesel to a game of conkers?
This is why California is strict on immigration...
I have no problem with Arnie coming back. In fact, news of his return would excite me immensely. His return to this series would make a hell of a lot more sense than him returning to Terminator.
I just hope that they surround him with a bunch more interesting guys (and maybe some girls--like, more than one--too! :o ) as well.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 03:40:57 AM
Lol think my post got deleted by accident or something. Ah well, won't bother typing it again.
The admins and moderators are trying to prevent this thread from steering off topic. So if anything is to silly or irrelevant it will be deleted.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 26, 2014, 03:44:58 AM
I have no problem with Arnie coming back. In fact, news of his return would excite me immensely. His return to this series would make a hell of a lot more sense than him returning to Terminator.
I just hope that they surround him with a bunch more interesting guys (and maybe some girls--like, more than one--too! :o ) as well.
Exactly, how the hell is he still in that franchise??!!
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 26, 2014, 03:51:31 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 26, 2014, 03:44:58 AM
I have no problem with Arnie coming back. In fact, news of his return would excite me immensely. His return to this series would make a hell of a lot more sense than him returning to Terminator.
I just hope that they surround him with a bunch more interesting guys (and maybe some girls--like, more than one--too! :o ) as well.
Exactly, how the hell is he still in that franchise??!!
He simply got offered the job. In an interview from a few weeks ago, Arnold himself says that he was surprised that they would recast everyone else except him.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 26, 2014, 03:33:48 AM
Reading this thread hurts.
And it only got announced the day before yesterday!
There's year and years of this glorious drivel to come!!
Prometheus forum on roids, yo!
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 03:57:04 AM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 26, 2014, 03:51:31 AM
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I have no problem with Arnie coming back. In fact, news of his return would excite me immensely. His return to this series would make a hell of a lot more sense than him returning to Terminator.
I just hope that they surround him with a bunch more interesting guys (and maybe some girls--like, more than one--too! :o ) as well.
Exactly, how the hell is he still in that franchise??!!
He simply got offered the job. In an interview from a few weeks ago, Arnold himself says that he was surprised that they would recast everyone else except him.
Yeah but how on earth can they write him back into the franchise? surely he's too old and that Terminator model would be scraped by now (in the films universe).
His age doesn't bother me at all. It's just the fact that the T-800 is supposed to be an infiltrator, but just about every one that we've seen has the same skin. You'd think the resistance would catch on to the look by now :P
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 26, 2014, 04:03:38 AM
His age doesn't bother me at all. It's just the fact that the T-800 is supposed to be an infiltrator, but just about every one that we've seen has the same skin. You'd think the resistance would catch on to the look by now :P
True, Skynet would need to keep changing the face model (oh and Arnie is too old ;) unless they use the same model but now aged...same problem as you mentioned though).
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Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 03:57:04 AM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 26, 2014, 03:51:31 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 26, 2014, 03:44:58 AM
I have no problem with Arnie coming back. In fact, news of his return would excite me immensely. His return to this series would make a hell of a lot more sense than him returning to Terminator.
I just hope that they surround him with a bunch more interesting guys (and maybe some girls--like, more than one--too! :o ) as well.
Exactly, how the hell is he still in that franchise??!!
He simply got offered the job. In an interview from a few weeks ago, Arnold himself says that he was surprised that they would recast everyone else except him.
Yeah but how on earth can they write him back into the franchise? surely he's too old and that Terminator model would be scraped by now (in the films universe).
There is supposed to be some cray as f**k time travel shenanigans where the Terminator from the first movie is somehow reprogrammed for good. Apparently the Terminator managed to stay alive long enough for his exterior flesh to have aged over the years. THEN we get more time travel madness....
The skin ages, is basically the answer.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 04:06:32 AM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 26, 2014, 04:01:00 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 03:57:04 AM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 26, 2014, 03:51:31 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 26, 2014, 03:44:58 AM
I have no problem with Arnie coming back. In fact, news of his return would excite me immensely. His return to this series would make a hell of a lot more sense than him returning to Terminator.
I just hope that they surround him with a bunch more interesting guys (and maybe some girls--like, more than one--too! :o ) as well.
Exactly, how the hell is he still in that franchise??!!
He simply got offered the job. In an interview from a few weeks ago, Arnold himself says that he was surprised that they would recast everyone else except him.
Yeah but how on earth can they write him back into the franchise? surely he's too old and that Terminator model would be scraped by now (in the films universe).
There is supposed to be some cray as f**k time travel shenanigans where the Terminator from the first movie is somehow reprogrammed for good. Apparently the Terminator managed to stay alive long enough for his exterior flesh to have aged over the years. THEN we get more time travel madness....
The skin ages, is basically the answer.
:o :o :o
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 26, 2014, 04:06:32 AM
The skin ages, is basically the answer.
As much as I don't like the idea of an old T-800, the skin aging does hold logical precedence and makes sense. Thinking about that now.. I'm kind of warming up to the idea since it does help them blend better.
Back on topic... We all know that this is going to be a sequel. But a sequel to which films? Predator? Predator 2? Predators? We can only speculate at this point, but I am wondering exactly what the ideas are and how they will fit the Predator character.
Bah, just use a subtitle and call it at day. At the end of the day, whatever they call it, it's the forth film in the series.
I don't even think the "skin ages" explanation would even be touched in the movie. I think it's basically an explanation they invented for the people asking why the T-800 will look so old on this ;D
When I think re-boot, I think re-make as in Total Recall 2012. That scares me...
The only way I can see Annie returning is as an old advisor, kinda like Keyes. He could hunt the predator with his elite team (enter the new blood) without having to do unbelievable stunts at his age.
Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 26, 2014, 06:32:22 AM
The only way I can see Annie returning is as an old advisor, kinda like Keyes. He could hunt the predator with his elite team (enter the new blood) without having to do unbelievable stunts at his age.
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Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 26, 2014, 06:32:22 AM
The only way I can see Annie returning is as an old advisor, kinda like Keyes. He could hunt the predator with his elite team (enter the new blood) without having to do unbelievable stunts at his age.
This would be ideal. It would satisfy fans both old and new..
Question is, where exactly should the setting be? On Earth, if so then where? We've done the jungle twice, we've done the urban environment, we've done Antarctica and of course a sleepy town in the mid-west. Now what other type of environments are out there that we haven't seen? A subterranean environment would be interesting. So would of course be the desert.
Or should it be a period piece? A movie set in the past? No, that would make it a prequel which is not what this film is. A movie set in the future would be interesting and you could do a lot with that.
Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 26, 2014, 06:32:22 AMThe only way I can see Annie returning is as an old advisor, kinda like Keyes. He could hunt the predator with his elite team (enter the new blood) without having to do unbelievable stunts at his age.
Yeah something like this is the only way I could see it working.
I
hate how people go on and on about getting Arnie back to fight the Predator. The thing virtually beat him to death back when the guy was at his physical peak, there's no way he could believably square off against one at his age now. Having him in an advisory or managerial role is the only way I'd buy him being in the movie, and to be honest I quite like that idea.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 26, 2014, 07:51:04 AM
I hate how people go on and on about getting Arnie back to fight the Predator. The thing virtually beat him to death back when the guy was at his physical peak, there's no way he could believably square off against one at his age now. Having him in an advisory or managerial role is the only way I'd buy him being in the movie, and to be honest I quite like that idea.
Agreed.
I also want to see new predator technology to combat our modern advancements in military technology. The first film had a cat and mouse finale stripping back to primitive methods, I'd be interested in going the other way completely.
Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 26, 2014, 09:25:37 AM
I also want to see new predator technology to combat our modern advancements in military technology. The first film had a cat and mouse finale stripping back to primitive methods, I'd be interested in going the other way completely.
I like the way you think.
Okay guys. Schwarzenegger, Glover, Brody... who's the next guy? Hemsworth?
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 26, 2014, 09:31:31 AMOkay guys. Schwarzenegger, Glover, Brody... who's the next guy? Hemsworth?
How the hell should we know?
Why don't you just wait for an official cast announcement. Unless Shane Black's loitering around here somewhere...
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Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 26, 2014, 09:31:31 AMOkay guys. Schwarzenegger, Glover, Brody... who's the next guy? Hemsworth?
How the hell should we know?
Why don't you just wait for an official cast announcement. Unless Shane Black's loitering around here somewhere...
Surely speculation and discussion is what a fan forum is for, no?
Once we know who's cast, discussion will descend into "what a great choice/what a shit choice/why didn't they consult me debate", which is infinitely less interesting.
Hemsworth seems like a solid choice to me. I'd like to see someone like Jason Statham in a supporting role maybe, issuing the odd cynical one-liner. Definitely no Ryan Reynolds-types being a sarky bastard on a constant basis - that'd get annoying real quick.
The way he asked made it sound like we were gonna definitively decide who's gonna be in the film.
They'll cast who they want to cast. Frankly the leads in the films so far have been so varied I don't see much point in guessing. Especially as the film was only announced two days ago.
It's fun to guess though. Half this forum is dedicated to people sculpting the perfect Alien/Predator film from their imaginations. It's a good thing. It breeds discussion. :)
Manu Bennett would be good for it too
I would bet a fair amount of money that Arnie will be back (sorry).
It really does make perfect sense in terms of sequel continuity and his star power (that has real value when attached to his old franchises). It's doubtful that they'd have him fighting though (at least not hand to hand) - Shane Black's not a mug, after all.
Of course, we don't know anything at this stage, but it really is intriguing - after some initial reticence about this, I'm actually getting stoked up, it could be full of ace and awesome.
I can dig Arnie coming back in as an advisory character. Got no problem with that. I don't want him being front and centre though.
P.S I want Adam Baldwin to return.
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This, so much. We had a brief glimpse of a Predator homeworld in AvP:R and that was that. I don't want a detailed breakdown of Predator political life :P
I actually agree with this. I just feel that Predator culture has been explored enough as it is already. We already know that they are a clan based society, we know that each clan has different views on hunting and practices in the Hunt, and if you count the AvP films.. we know that they have a Predator-Prey relationship with the Xenomorphs. We've seen the Predator Homeworld (though for some fans, they claim it's colonized world) and we've seen a preserve planet and a sub-species of Predator.
What more could be explore or added onto without having influences of Alien or Prometheus in this?
What do we want to see in this movie? What don't we want to see?
I would very much like to see a return to the basics on the Predator's end. That is, just a plasma cannon and wristblades; maybe a spear as well. He doesn't have to have a James Bond-sized arsenal to make the film entertaining, for me at least. I'd also like to see the same kind of pacing we had in the first film where the characters are picked off, one by one, slowly and painfully, as opposed to a head-on rush into the action like Predator 2.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2014, 11:10:07 AMP.S I want Adam Baldwin to return.
I'm actually really up for that. Garber is the Morse of the
Predator franchise - a character that's ripe for follow-up but has never been explored.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2014, 11:10:07 AM
P.S I want Adam Baldwin to return.
Yesss. Never thought of that, but I love me some Baldwin!
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Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 26, 2014, 06:32:22 AM
The only way I can see Annie returning is as an old advisor, kinda like Keyes. He could hunt the predator with his elite team (enter the new blood) without having to do unbelievable stunts at his age.
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I ROTFL :laugh:
I would love to see what Shane Black could do with an Alien movie.
On the subject of the new Pred movie: I hope the "Super" Predators return, but not as the 'big bads' of the film. Imagine a mixed species clan of them and the true Predators hunting side by side?
I hope we never see them again.
Super Predators are a bad idea :(
They're not Super Predators though. Nothing in the final film really said that. I love the different tribes, I like the idea of blood feuds and different ideologies. They could have handled them much better (only one new Predators, a longer, more skilled classic vs new fight) but they were in no way the BSP's as in the original script.
I'm with Hicks on this. Why would Predators have only one body-type. Think of the Ancient Romans when they fought the Germans - the Germans were MASSIVE compared to the legionaries, they had a different language, different fighting style, different culture, different climate... different everything.
The black predators were a great idea and, in all honesty, I didn't think the execution was bad at all. I liked how they hunted as team, they all had their jobs and there was one leader - it was good. Whether they get carried over to IV remains to be seen - but as we know - its officially a sequel.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2014, 01:56:37 PM
They're not Super Predators though. Nothing in the final film really said that. I love the different tribes, I like the idea of blood feuds and different ideologies. They could have handled them much better (only one new Predators, a longer, more skilled classic vs new fight) but they were in no way the BSP's as in the original script.
Nope. They are Super Predators. The movie says, the ones who come back from a "big test" or something, come back different, they're changed, they're stronger, and they prey on regular Predators.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 01:52:46 PM
Super Predators are a bad idea :(
So is anyone wanting to retcon Alien³. :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2014, 01:56:37 PM
They're not Super Predators though. Nothing in the final film really said that. I love the different tribes, I like the idea of blood feuds and different ideologies. They could have handled them much better (only one new Predators, a longer, more skilled classic vs new fight) but they were in no way the BSP's as in the original script.
Yeah, I didn't have a problem with the new Predators in concept; the execution was kind of lacking (for bigger, stronger Press they weren't that big or strong) but I loved the idea and their look.
Not expecting to see them ever again, though. Which doesn't bother me one way or the other. On the off chance they pop up I just hope that they articulate the damn mouth area better this time :P
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2014, 01:56:37 PM
They're not Super Predators though. Nothing in the final film really said that. I love the different tribes, I like the idea of blood feuds and different ideologies. They could have handled them much better (only one new Predators, a longer, more skilled classic vs new fight) but they were in no way the BSP's as in the original script.
Either way, that final Predator's face looked like shit. :)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 26, 2014, 02:16:09 PMYeah, I didn't have a problem with the new Predators in concept; the execution was kind of lacking (for bigger, stronger Press they weren't that big or strong) but I loved the idea and their look.
I'm the completely opposite, then. I think the Super Predators worked fine for their movie, the concept was well used, but they're deffinitely something I don't want to see again in the series. If they're forgotten, better.
maybe Shane Black will just consult like he did for the original
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 02:26:16 PM
I'm the completely opposite, then. I think the Super Predators worked fine for their movie, the concept was well used, but they're deffinitely something I don't want to see again in the series. If they're forgotten, better.
Agreed with this to a certain extent. I don't think that the Super Predators were really necessary, or even a new idea at all for that matter, especially considering that Predator 2 came up with the sub-species idea first (Stan Winston did liken the Predators to snakes, each one being different but still a snake) but the Super Predators to me felt like they were there to fix something which wasn't even broken to begin with. I felt that they had devalued what the original creature was supposed to be. I hope we don't see these things again, it's bad enough we're getting them in the EU.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2014, 01:56:37 PM
I love the different tribes, I like the idea of blood feuds and different ideologies. They could have handled them much better (only one new Predators, a longer, more skilled classic vs new fight) but they were in no way the BSP's as in the original script.
The expanded universe already introduced us to the concept of different clans, different ideologies and clan conflicts without adding anything unnecessary or too drastic. I believe there were mentions of renegade clans way before Three World War, and also mentions of clans that didn't even hunt humans. Clan conflicts while often mentioned were rarely seen and only three instances of it happening are documented in the EU (which.. might be replaced when the new comics are released) in stories such as Prey to the Heavens, Three World War and it was even a plot point in Extinction.
PREDATORS mentioned that there was a clan war, though there was no real explanation given as to why. Were the traditional Hunters kidnapped and placed on the planet as prey? Were the classics viewing as the hunting practices of the BSPs as sacrilege to the hunt? Sure, you could look at the prequel comic to PREDATORS but I wouldn't count that as anything definitive.
The 'why' wasn't relevant.
Predators was essentially a reboot or remix or whatever.
Main issues I had with it was that it was overly referential to the first one and that it wasted too much time setting up a story that had no suspense whatsoever - considering the majority of the people in the cinema knew that the humans were being hunted by The Predators.
Quote from: tmjhur on Jun 26, 2014, 08:02:08 PMPredators was essentially a reboot or remix or whatever.
It wasn't a reboot at all. The events of the first film were mentioned in it. It was a sequel.
Beyond just them being mentioned, Royce makes use of that knowledge in the final battle. It cements the ideas of the first film as a history to what we're watching.
What am I expecting from this project?
A big budget action feature with a late 80's early 90's feel. Expendables meets Predator (but with some clever twist none of us has thought of yet and will divide the fans.) Arnold will probably feature in some capacity.
What do I want from this project?
The same thing I wanted from Predators. It opens on earth with a special unit behind enemy lines in some war torn foreign country. A Predator event occurs right in the middle of the battle and men and women from both sides of the battle are captured, tagged, and dropped onto another world and hunted/pitted against each other for sport in some crazy alien arena/fortress like The Running Man. The survivors make a few extraterrestrial friends and manage to escape the 'game area' and meet up with others who have done so (enter Arnold/Dutch) and together they try to find a way outta this hole.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 26, 2014, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jun 26, 2014, 08:02:08 PMPredators was essentially a reboot or remix or whatever.
It wasn't a reboot at all. The events of the first film were mentioned in it. It was a sequel.
Yeah but it's more or less a remake/reboot. It just takes the first movie, throws it in a blender and reassembles it.
But whatever, my main point is that Predators was TOO referential and wasted time building to a reveal that we all knew was coming. We knew what was hunting them from the get go so drawing it out for 40 minutes or so seemed like a waste. Yes I know not EVERYONE has seen the first two movies of the series but I'm sure a lot of people in the cinema knew the basic story.
Predators was a reboot in the same sense as x-men first class was. Its a reboot sequel.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 26, 2014, 09:10:07 PMPredators was a reboot in the same sense as x-men first class was. Its a reboot sequel.
Then First Class was a reboot prequel? D:
Will the new JK Rowling films "reboot prequels" too?
Don't know about Harry potter because I don't watch them but first class was definitely a reboot. Brought New blood into the franchise and reinvented it within the continuity.
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Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 26, 2014, 09:31:31 AMOkay guys. Schwarzenegger, Glover, Brody... who's the next guy? Hemsworth?
How the hell should we know?
Why don't you just wait for an official cast announcement. Unless Shane Black's loitering around here somewhere...
Surely speculation and discussion is what a fan forum is for, no?
Once we know who's cast, discussion will descend into "what a great choice/what a shit choice/why didn't they consult me debate", which is infinitely less interesting.
Hemsworth seems like a solid choice to me. I'd like to see someone like Jason Statham in a supporting role maybe, issuing the odd cynical one-liner. Definitely no Ryan Reynolds-types being a sarky bastard on a constant basis - that'd get annoying real quick.
I'd actually love to see Tom Hardy as the lead.
I wouldn't mind seeing FEMALE PREDATORS either. ;D
A Reboot can be a sequel or a remake/replacement.
Reboot simply means that a franchise that has been dead for a long time, gets a new installment with new cast/crew/director, new blood, etc.
So yes, Predators is a sequel while also being a reboot of the franchise. Reboot is not a technical, but a rethoric term.
QuoteReboot simply means that a franchise that has been dead for a long time, gets a new installment with new cast/crew/director, new blood, etc.
Pretty much. People get too hung up on reboots starting from scratch and ignoring previous stuff. Which would be a remake.
If they made another Alien flick now with Siggy, it'd still be considered a reboot. A reboot of the franchise (depending on how one views Prometheus) but not the overall storyline.
Very well said.
Btw am I the only one excited that we might finally get cool characters again? I mean let's face it apart from Brody and Braga, the cast of predators was pretty... well... meh... if not even bad... I wouldn't say it was their fault. Their dialogues were horrible and their characters were poorly written and just placeholders.
I think Shane Black has got a thing for cool dynamics between characters that are a bit more fleshed out. He might actually bring the fun back to the franchise... fun that was heavily lacking since the first AvP movie.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 26, 2014, 11:22:44 PM
Very well said.
Btw am I the only one excited that we might finally get cool characters again? I mean let's face it apart from Brody and Braga, the cast of predators was pretty... well... meh... if not even bad... I wouldn't say it was their fault. Their dialogues were horrible and their characters were poorly written and just placeholders.
I think Shane Black has got a thing for cool dynamics between characters that are a bit more fleshed out. He might actually bring the fun back to the franchise... fun that was heavily lacking since the first AvP movie.
I thought Walton Goggin's character was pretty funny. I mean he called a Predator a "space faggot".
It would be good if they brought back Royce and Isabel. I don't exactly know what they'll do but they were pretty good.
Quote from: tmjhur on Jun 26, 2014, 11:48:58 PM
I thought Walton Goggin's character was pretty funny. I mean he called a Predator a "space faggot".
I actually thought that Stans was one of the low point of the movie. And I thought the whole "Space Faggot" thing was just dumb.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Jun 26, 2014, 08:39:20 PM
What am I expecting from this project?
A big budget action feature with a late 80's early 90's feel. Expendables meets Predator (but with some clever twist none of us has thought of yet and will divide the fans.) Arnold will probably feature in some capacity.
Chances are that this is something what we will be getting. How it will be pulled off, only Black and Dekker know.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Jun 26, 2014, 08:39:20 PM
The same thing I wanted from Predators. It opens on earth with a special unit behind enemy lines in some war torn foreign country. A Predator event occurs right in the middle of the battle and men and women from both sides of the battle are captured, tagged, and dropped onto another world and hunted/pitted against each other for sport in some crazy alien arena/fortress like The Running Man. The survivors make a few extraterrestrial friends and manage to escape the 'game area' and meet up with others who have done so (enter Arnold/Dutch) and together they try to find a way outta this hole.
I'm not so sure I would want a repeat of PREDATORS, and that particular idea definitely echoes of some elements of the 1994 Robert Rodriguez script if that was intentional or not. We've already got the preserve planet idea which was meant to reflect some elements of the original idea of PREDATORS. I'm not so sure that I would want to see the gladiator idea put on screen.
If people want the new movie to be set on another planet, fine but I wouldn't want a repeat of PREDATORS. Have it set in the future, have a reason for humans being on this planet i.e. settling down or crash landing where survival is a necessity.
The movie hasn't hit production and you all are still debating on how it should be plotted....
Please don't feel offended, but I've seen better ideas from a 1st grade class fifteen minutes from recess...
Can't we all just stop talking about trivial garbage and discuss questions rather than give answers?
I feel unhealthy even glimpsing on this thread....
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 26, 2014, 11:01:40 PMReboot simply means that a franchise that has been dead for a long time, gets a new installment with new cast/crew/director, new blood, etc.
No it doesn't. Not at all. Reboot specifically means discarding everything and starting again. THAT IS WHAT THE WORD MEANS. Look it up.
In terms of films it can mean discarding everything and starting again or it could mean reviving a franchise that hasn't done anything for ages.
Star Trek is the classic example that straddles both meanings. With the presence of Nimoy as Spock, it was a sequel to the existing Trek shows and films, but effectively started everything from scratch again. Rise of the Planet of the Apes is another example.
This new Predator flick will end up being a sequel, but if it does nothing to reference previous films or continue a story from them, it'll no doubt get called a reboot anyway.
Quote from: SM on Jun 27, 2014, 09:08:43 AMIn terms of films it can mean discarding everything and starting again or it could mean reviving a franchise that hasn't done anything for ages.
No, it literally means starting afresh, the term is just misused so much by Hollywood that people think it means all sorts of things.
Quote from: SM on Jun 27, 2014, 09:08:43 AMStar Trek is the classic example that straddles both meanings. With the presence of Nimoy as Spock, it was a sequel to the existing Trek shows and films, but effectively started everything from scratch again. Rise of the Planet of the Apes is another example.
Granted, that was a special case. It was both a reboot and a sequel. But it was a fairly unique example.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 27, 2014, 09:11:30 AM
No, it literally means starting afresh, the term is just misused so much by Hollywood that people think it means all sorts of things.
Words are defined by their common usage. If the term "reboot" in the context of movies means starting fresh
regardless of being an actual sequel or not, then that's what it means.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 27, 2014, 09:15:12 AMWords are defined by their common usage. If the term "reboot" in the context of movies means starting fresh regardless of being an actual sequel or not, then that's what it means.
Starting fresh. Which by definition means it is not a sequel. It's a new beginning, starting at 0.
"Starting fresh" doesn't mean you are literally an entirely new thing. It's a figure of speech. You start fresh every day, that doesn't mean you're a whole new person with a different history, different parents, etc.
Again, the definition of reboot is: "To discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning."
Which is clearly not Predators.
The definition from where? Many movies considered reboots only ignore certain sequels -- Superman Returns, pretty much every other Universal Soldier movie, etc.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 27, 2014, 09:28:28 AM
Again, the definition of reboot is: "To discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning."
Which is clearly not Predators.
Oh gee, someone really should've told the news outlets reporting it as such to do a Wiki search of the word first. Dude. Shane Black said it would not be a reboot, what more do you f**king want?
PREDATORS WASN'T A REBOOT EH? Read this: http://www.mtv.com/news/1637935/adrien-brody-says-predators-will-be-intense-harrowing/ (http://www.mtv.com/news/1637935/adrien-brody-says-predators-will-be-intense-harrowing/)
"Absolutely," Brody said when asked if he thought the franchise characters had been damaged; the Oscar-winning actor will head "Predators," due out July 7. "And I think [saving the franchise] is also the objective of the studio. This is basically a reboot."
Predators wasn't a reboot, you say? See, I can play this game too. f**king humans hahaha.
Brody doesn't say it is a reboot, just that it's basically one. Which isn't the same thing.
I fight back.
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/set-visit-predators-interview-with-director-robert-rodriguez (http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/set-visit-predators-interview-with-director-robert-rodriguez)
And why we're making it down here just to do our thing as fans. So that's what's kind of fun about coming and doing a reboot is...
And then just late last year or earlier this year probably I think it was, Fox came back and said, 'We wanted to reboot the franchise and such a classic character and we looked up your old script and we thought this is great.
Basically, f**k what they call it, because chances are someone's going to reference the first film's events per usual anyway. I guess sequel is a dirty word. I don't know why this dialogue even exists anymore, Shane literally said it's not a friggin reboot hahaha.
Call it a porno for all I care as long as it's a good f**kin movie
The dialogue exists because "reboot" is a lazy term for "we're not remaking it, but we're not exactly following straight on from everything else."
This will likely fit into that definition, unless they fully just bring back Dutch or something and make it follow on. Maybe see if Adam Baldwin will come back.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 27, 2014, 09:42:28 AMOh gee, someone really should've told the news outlets reporting it as such to do a Wiki search of the word first. Dude. Shane Black said it would not be a reboot, what more do you f**king want?
First of all, you need to calm down and stop insulting people.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 27, 2014, 09:52:07 AMBasically, f**k what they call it, because chances are someone's going to reference the first film's events per usual anyway. I guess sequel is a dirty word.
Second of all, this is basically my exact point. Hollywood throws the word 'reboot' around without even knowing what it means. Like it's some cool phrase that will get more asses on seats.
lots of bloggers already dismissed this movie because they read "reboot" and immediately trashed an unmade film. the internet is people resaying what was read on another site without fact checking . its a problem .
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 27, 2014, 09:59:21 AM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 27, 2014, 09:42:28 AMOh gee, someone really should've told the news outlets reporting it as such to do a Wiki search of the word first. Dude. Shane Black said it would not be a reboot, what more do you f**king want?
First of all, you need to calm down and stop insulting people.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 27, 2014, 09:52:07 AMBasically, f**k what they call it, because chances are someone's going to reference the first film's events per usual anyway. I guess sequel is a dirty word.
Second of all, this is basically my exact point. Hollywood throws the word 'reboot' around without even knowing what it means. Like it's some cool phrase that will get more asses on seats.
No insult anywhere in that post good sir.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 27, 2014, 09:57:06 AM
The dialogue exists because "reboot" is a lazy term for "we're not remaking it, but we're not exactly following straight on from everything else."
This will likely fit into that definition, unless they fully just bring back Dutch or something and make it follow on. Maybe see if Adam Baldwin will come back.
I think it will fit that definition too. I can see Arnold doing a cameo, or maybe even starring as well.
i wouldn't be surprised if this movie had several key main characters and dutch was one of them. it could very well mix older with newer characters . i mean i wouldn't be shocked if we saw whats her face from predator having nightmares of being a little girl whith the demon who makes trophies of men killing her brother or finding a skinned body. ? i think this movie will have a grand scope probably setting up more movies. or be small and focused .. cant wait.
Quote from: worldpeace on Jun 27, 2014, 10:07:53 AM
lots of bloggers already dismissed this movie because they read "reboot" and immediately trashed an unmade film. the internet is people resaying what was read on another site without fact checking . its a problem .
Today is my "agree with WorldPeace" day. So right - I shouldn't let it annoy me, but I do - I get the right hump when people say something's going to be shit before a scene has been shot. I get more of the hump because sometimes I'm guilty of that myself - mention "Escape from New York remake" and watch me go off on one *lol*.
I knee-jerked when I read "predator reboot" .... then I read "Shane Black" and held my horses. How he's come out and said its a sequel, I'll admit to squeeing with glee - I'm HUGELY positive about this project... it could be the movie we've all been waiting for for years.
To everyone complaining about people complaining...can you really and truly blame the latter group for being high strung? Hollywood doesn't exactly have a great track record when it comes to remaking or redoing classic films.
Huda and Lemon Juice quit being so aggressively patronizing to other posters...
Now in terms of "Reboot"
Seeing as I mistaked my "to, too, two's" I can't see if you can find anything I write credible.. However I make my living off explaining things like this...
Reboot in definition means to continue a sequence after either inactivity or merely to "begin over" again.
Reboot was a word best described for computers, it was never mentioned until the 1970s and only gained mass popularity in the turn of the millenia. What you guys are describing is a word adopted by Hollywood to reference situations that can mean anything related to whether a film is revived or restarted. If a sequence begins again after a long inactivity it is considered a REBOOT. If a sequence begins over from scratch it is considered a REBOOT.
Take a look at your computers and find out when you use the term reboot for them. Then in turn see how that is taken in regards to film... Needless to say the word is just a metaphor in the language of Hollywood.
So ultimately, you guys are arguing over who is right in which you both are...
Sources: I'm an English Professor...
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 27, 2014, 12:15:21 PMReboot in definition means to continue a sequence after either inactivity or merely to "begin over" again.
And that is just wrong. Reboot in fiction is specifically
not continuing the sequence.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 27, 2014, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 27, 2014, 12:15:21 PMReboot in definition means to continue a sequence after either inactivity or merely to "begin over" again.
And that is just wrong. Reboot in fiction is specifically not continuing the sequence.
Of course, how could I be so foolish...
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 27, 2014, 12:24:11 PMOf course, how could I be so foolish...
I'm glad you're able to see the error of your ways.
QuoteReebot in fiction...
Whatever makes you happy
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It's a reboot, in terms of Hollywood not Wikipedia. It doesn't really matter of Shane Black says it's not a reboot. He's obviously just trying to cover up the fact it is because of the eye rolling that happens around reboots
Mmmm if anything AvP was a reboot.
Depends how you look at it. AVP was more of a start to a new franchise
Something reboots have in common is that the movie is gonna be kind of similar to the original one, taking many cues for the plot.
But take Predators, for example. Someone likes to call it a reboot, but it's actually a completely different movie. It is just another Predator movie, not a reboot.
That's completely contradictory.
You say reboots take cues from originals and predator was full of them
Reboots don't have to take cues from the original at all. They can be as similar to or different from the original they're rebooting as the production team pleases.
Batman Begins was tonally completely different to Tim Burton's Batman.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 27, 2014, 04:15:00 PM
Reboots don't have to take cues from the original at all. They can be as similar to or different from the original they're rebooting as the production team pleases.
Batman Begins was tonally completely different to Tim Burton's Batman.
I know right!
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 27, 2014, 04:13:55 PM
That's completely contradictory.
You say reboots take cues from originals and predator was full of them
The main idea of the movie is completely, completely different.
Predator - a group of highly trained killers against Predator
Predators - a group of highly trained killers against Predators
Iv joked that predators was a remake on here but it certainly shares the same ideas of the original
Yeah dude but you're forgetting the plural.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 27, 2014, 05:13:11 PMIv joked that predators was a remake on here but it certainly shares the same ideas of the original
It's very different because this time they're exploring the Predators safari planet and trying to make sense on where they are and learn something about their enemies. The whole mission is finding the ship and returning to Earth, not simply surviving.
If you want a "reboot", I'd say Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes or Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Predators was a sequel or at least it was set in the same continuity. So, it was not a reboot by any means. Probably a "franchise relaunch" at best.
Relaunch is a good way to put it but the main idea of predators is the same as predator. It's also pretty clear that it was an attempt at a New franchise within the continuity. Predators failed to get a sequel so Fox have decided to reboot
How about Benedict / tom hardy / Sharlto copley / dwayne johnson / ben foster
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 27, 2014, 05:34:07 PMPredators failed to get a sequel so Fox have decided to reboot
Pssh, Shane Black's saying it's gonna be a sequel (for the three Predator films), not a reboot.
But it is going to be yet another relaunch, anyway.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 05:49:51 PM
Pssh, Shane Black's saying it's gonna be a sequel (for the three Predator films), not a reboot.
We know it's a sequel but for all we know, it could ignore PREDATORS. It could be a direct sequel to Predator 2, or a direct sequel to the original. Only time will tell.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 04:09:31 PM
Something reboots have in common is that the movie is gonna be kind of similar to the original one, taking many cues for the plot.
But take Predators, for example. Someone likes to call it a reboot, but it's actually a completely different movie. It is just another Predator movie, not a reboot.
Who the heck said Predators was a reboot? I thought it was just a spin-off of sorts.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 27, 2014, 05:57:19 PM
Who the heck said Predators was a reboot? I thought it was just a spin-off of sorts.
PREDATORS could be to the Predator franchise what Halloween: H20 is to the Halloween franchise. There are interviews with Rodriguez suggesting such in relation to Predator 2 to AvP-R, but for whatever reason... People seem to disregard them.
I've never seen Halloween H2O so I don't know what you mean. In any event, I don't see Predators as a reboot.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 27, 2014, 06:08:37 PM
I've never seen Halloween H2O so I don't know what you mean. In any event, I don't see Predators as a reboot.
Halloween H20 was a direct sequel to Halloween, and Halloween II while disregarding the events of Halloween IV to Halloween VI. Ironically enough, Halloween IV to VI are considered the original timeline where as Halloween H20 to Halloween Resurrection are considered an alternate timeline, both timelines considered canon when there has been no official statement from the studio or rights holder saying one or the other is not, or both are.
PREDATORS seems to only acknowledge the first movie, though some fans claim it takes place after the second while ignoring the AvP. Some, including myself say that it ignores the second movie to AvP-R. Either way no one has found a middle ground to where the movie fits. In any event, I don't see why Predator 2 to AvP-R can't be considered as the original timeline where as PREDATORS could be considered an alternate timeline rather than sequels being declared by the fandom as "non-canon".
I said that Predators is essentially a reboot. Can't believe people have actually been arguing over terminology for this long.
Get over it.....you sound like these guys.
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This pedantic reboot definition has ran its course. More than half of the thread is devoted to it.
It's a sequel.
I think we've established by now that it's not a reboot, but a sequel. The question of where this announced sequel fits in the in-universe chronology is up for discussion. Nothing more, nothing less.
I just want to see Dutch in the film, maybe briefing someone about his experience
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 27, 2014, 06:22:49 PM
I just want to see Dutch in the film, maybe briefing someone about his experience
I wouldn't mind seeing that as a cameo role.
Reboot means the previous continuity is debunked. That's what it is called "re boot". Everything begins again, perhaps in very different ways.
Predators was not a reboot, it acknowledged the previous movies. It was sorts of a sequel, as it is factually set after Predator and Predator 2. And in commercial terms, a purposed relaunch of the franchise, although it didn't last.
I can simply call it "another Predator movie"; there's really no distinction between Predators and the previous movies, as they share the same basic creature, dynamics and mythology with very little differences (even if the Super Predators were introducers), they are nonetheless set in the same universe and continuity, there's no way to tell apart so it's loyal to the universe of the previous movies.
A reboot would mean none of the previous events would have happened in the movies, or at least they're not referred. But also a reboot is most usually very different (in tone, plot, maybe even mythology) and follows a different route. It is also supposed to kickstart a new continuity/series, not be just a single movie. If it's just a solo movie, it could be called more likely a remake, but it should follow the basic plot of the original movie.
Prometheus is maybe a prequel, and it's also a spin-off movie of the Alien franchise, that is purposed to be a sorts of relaunch of that universe.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 27, 2014, 06:22:49 PM
I just want to see Dutch in the film, maybe briefing someone about his experience
I imagine he'll be in it in some capacity.
The film makers will want to do fan service (which in the case of Arnie is fine by me) and Ahnaaald will want to get in on this nostalgia action as much as he is with the rest of his film history.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 06:28:07 PM
Predators was not a reboot, it acknowledged the previous movies.
It only acknowledged the first movie. No mention of the second movie or the AvP movies were made.
God just stop.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 27, 2014, 06:33:06 PMIt only acknowledged the first movie. No mention of the second movie or the AvP movies were made.
If it only recognizes the first movie, it's still not a reboot. And as for the AvP movies, I couldn't care less.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 06:35:43 PM
If it only recognizes the first movie, it's still not a reboot.
I never said it was a reboot in the first place.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 27, 2014, 06:37:07 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 06:35:43 PM
If it only recognizes the first movie, it's still not a reboot.
I never said it was a reboot in the first place.
Fine.
Take for example Superman Returns. It acknowledges I guess Superman I and Superman II only. Still a sequel. But it was also a (purposed) relaunch of the franchise.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 06:38:20 PM
Take for example Superman Returns. It acknowledges I guess Superman I and Superman II only. Still a sequel. But it was also a (purposed) relaunch of the franchise.
I prefer to think of PREDATORS more to the Predator franchise what Halloween: H20 is to the Halloween franchise.
I don't really understand the comparison but OK.
Yeah, but Predators doesn't outright contradict the previous movies the way H20 did.
Quote from: Sully on Jun 27, 2014, 06:18:31 PM
This pedantic reboot definition has ran its course. More than half of the thread is devoted to it.
It's a sequel.
I'd go further than that and say outright that it makes no fecking difference whatsoever. I challenge anyone to describe in detail what it would take to differentiate a reboot from a sequel.
As far as I can see, the only thing that connects Predator 2 to its predecessor is a small unnecessary recap of Dutch's adventures and a tiny shot of Anna. If you cut it, the story is completely unaffected. Same with Predators - if you remove one or two lines referring back to the original film, the film still stands.
If these changes had been made in the editing room, and some marketing bod had used the word "reboot", some of you lot would have been picketing Fox studios - despite the fact the films would be damned near identical.
Point is, there is no through-line with the Predator movies, so in this case a reboot = sequel.
Quote from: Spooky Baz on Jun 27, 2014, 07:22:55 PMPoint is, there is no through-line with the Predator movies, so in this case a reboot = sequel.
More like sequel = stand-alone movie.
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Quote from: Magegg on Jun 27, 2014, 07:26:41 PM
Quote from: Spooky Baz on Jun 27, 2014, 07:22:55 PMPoint is, there is no through-line with the Predator movies, so in this case a reboot = sequel.
More like sequel = stand-alone movie.
Nah... more like what I actually said. But thanks.
Spooky Baz is right.
All right guys. From here on out, no more reboot/sequel controversy talk. It's getting pretty ridiculous and annoying, and it making this section of this great website unsavory to go on.
Instead, talk about what kinds of things you want in the inventive new Predator sequel.
I think I'd like to see a back-to-basics approach to the creature itself. It seemed to me that the producers took the cliched "bigger and better" approach to the sequels. You know what I mean?
Predator 2 production meeting:
"Hey guys, Arnie's opted out to do Terminator 2! What are we going to do to get asses on seats?"
"A Predator with a huge arsenal?"
"Knives and stabbing weapons?"
"Cool."
Predators meeting:
"Two words. Super. Predator."
"Yes boss."
They should really cut that crap out. We don't need spears or bigger, badder monsters to hold our attention. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 27, 2014, 08:23:50 PM
Instead, talk about what kinds of things you want in the inventive new Predator sequel.
Agreed.
Focus on one Predator, preferably a member of the original species. None of that Super Predator Bullshit. No dogs, no falcons.. Have this Predator be an exceptionally dangerous tracker who has trained his senses.
Obviously a new protagonist would be warranted, make said new protagonist the focal point of the movie. Little to references of previous encounters from the previous movies, but if Arnold has to be in the movie-- have him serve a cameo role as a mentor or an advisory liaison.
Set the movie back on Earth, there are many types of environments aside from the jungle, urban city, Antarctic and Mid-western town. You could do wonders with a desert setting in a place like the middle east. Or you could have something set in a mountain type of environment, or if you want to go even more unusual.. go subterranean.
And if it has to be an alien planet, then set the movie in the future where humans are trying to colonize an alien environment with a security force, or have a situation where off-world explorers or military (not Colonial Marines) crash land on an alien world that has it's own dangerous and indigenous life forms which are just as a threat to the humans as is the Predator.
I would like to see a sequel to Predator 1 2 and Predators tie it all together. Except for AVP.
BTW Super Predator is the code name for the different clan because they think they are Superior to the traditional clan. Robert has expressed that many times. They do look different to diffriensate them from the other ones. Because they think they are superior makes them want to be stronger and better killers than the classics. Which would explain why there not as tall, yet, from what we seen but there huge in muscle tone. The more derived name for these Preds is just Berserker Preds as they don't follow the honor code.
I want the river ghost to re-appear.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 27, 2014, 08:23:50 PM
Spooky Baz is right.
All right guys. From here on out, no more reboot/sequel controversy talk. It's getting pretty ridiculous and annoying, and it making this section of this great website unsavory to go on.
Instead, talk about what kinds of things you want in the inventive new Predator sequel.
But then when people do say what they want you essentially tell them to shut up...
Me gusta el amor :)
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Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 27, 2014, 08:23:50 PM
Spooky Baz is right.
All right guys. From here on out, no more reboot/sequel controversy talk. It's getting pretty ridiculous and annoying, and it making this section of this great website unsavory to go on.
Instead, talk about what kinds of things you want in the inventive new Predator sequel.
But then when people do say what they want you essentially tell them to shut up...
I guess you can say he's AvPGalaxy's anti-hero; Lemon Juice...
I'd like an adventure tone. Minimal if any gore. A blue and silver color filter. An A lister in the lead role.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 28, 2014, 12:12:10 AM
I'd like an adventure tone. Minimal if any gore. A blue and silver color filter. An A lister in the lead role.
This is the most practical and straight forward thing I've seen on this thread. I agree and I think that would make up for a great movie.
Glad someone concurs.
So you want AvP with an A-list star, basically. That'd go down well :-\
There's a big difference in what the Lethal Weapon/Iron Man 3 guy puts on paper, and what Horror Schlock Extraordinare puts on paper.
Yup, and then you said you wanted him to write something that doesn't really fit with his best-known, best-liked work beyond "A-list star".
Quote from: SiL on Jun 28, 2014, 02:45:56 AM
Yup, and then you said you wanted him to write something that doesn't really fit with his best-known, best-liked work beyond "A-list star".
That's my fantasy, but regardless, I am confident that Shane Black will deliver the best Predator film yet.
Your fantasy is for Shane Black to write a Paul W.S. Anderson film, while going on about how Shane Black is going to make this the best thing yet :P
Quote from: SiL on Jun 28, 2014, 02:50:29 AM
Your fantasy is for Shane Black to write a Paul W.S. Anderson film, while going on about how Shane Black is going to make this the best thing yet :P
An adventure tone, minimal gore, etc. are all characteristics of AvP, but they're not solely inclusive to AvP. ;)
They're also not what attracts people to Predator movies.
The gore at best should be limited... Why is it that it would be anything like AvP?
Because the gore in AvP was limited, and everyone complained.
AVP being PG-13 is one of the reasons why fans hated it so much. This series should always stay rated R no matter.
There are more casual moviegoers than hardcore fans. The pandering to the fans is the reason these movies don't make as much as they could. People will come for the badass action set pieces.
Remember AvPR, the fanboy pander-fest? Lolol
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 28, 2014, 07:17:11 AM
There are more casual moviegoers than hardcore fans.
Casual moviegoers don't want watered down either. Look what happened to
RoboCop. Or
Total Recall.
QuoteThe pandering to the fans is the reason these movies don't make as much as they could.
No, them being sub-par quality is why they don't make as much. The gore isn't an issue.
SiL, we were both members of PlanetAvP when requiem was in production.. The request for gore was to much wouldn't you have agreed? I mean the movie can still maintain an R rating.. Just as long as it's limited how they present it and not too over the top.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 28, 2014, 05:50:52 AM
Because the gore in AvP was limited, and everyone complained.
Not everyone. I thought AvP was one of the highest grossing movie in all of the franchises? If so, that's way more than the "fan dollar."
AvP wasn't a bad movie, in my opinion. I just cringe every time I watch it and Scar removes his Biomask. The problem with AvpR is that Wolf looked amazing, but it was so dark you couldn't see anything; and the script sucked tremendously. But that's it.
The face the Predator makes when he see's the queen!
Well at least AvP was a movie...
AvP:R was a school projects with college students as cast members not acting and a story arc of 0.0 %
Predators 2010 was a badass awsome film that went in the right direction after those Avp films which the 2nd was just horrible i still can't see one thing in that film on blu-ray too. But Predators is a classic film for me, i love everything about it. I find myself putting it on more than P1 and P2. I think the choice of settling it on a planet was brilliant because that was a key factor for rewatchability factor. Predators just might be the best of the trilogy so far in comparison to Aliens being the best of its series. I also love the horror aspect approach of Predators, that was very cool. Predators is a kickass film don't listen to the naysayers its awesome.
Quote from: walker31 on Jun 28, 2014, 11:53:32 AM
AvP wasn't a bad movie, in my opinion. I just cringe every time I watch it and Scar removes his Biomask.
I agree with this although I don't think Scar's face looks that bad. If anything I chalk it up as nothing more than different faces. Why should every Predator look like Diablo or Ghost? I mean humans have different facial structures and appearances, so why can't Predators? Mind you, I do agree that the mask removal scene could've been done better.
Now the Super Predators... THOSE.. Those just.. I really want to forget.
If you read my comment down alil you would know why they are called Super Preds but the more common name is Berserker Preds
Where it was stated? Production crew called them Super Predators. Main one was called BSP or Mr. Black.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 26, 2014, 03:31:19 AM
Depends on how it's pulled off.. If it's on the Predator homeworld or something, that just screams the 1994 script which I think we want to avoid!
Oh, come on... Haven't you always wanted to see a movie where Predators take a piss on their human captives?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 26, 2014, 11:46:28 AM
I'm actually really up for that. Garber is the Morse of the Predator franchise - a character that's ripe for follow-up but has never been explored.
The '
Requiem' guys invited him to do a cameo, but he literally told them to f**k off.
Not surprising. If you were him, you'd want your more recent work to be remembered, not the stuff you did from '
Independence Day' and '
Predator 2'.
I recall a lot of fans saying he was going to regret not featuring in it. Heh...
Quote from: Russ on Jun 26, 2014, 02:00:30 PM
I'm with Hicks on this. Why would Predators have only one body-type.
They haven't since '
Predator 2'. The fan-boy collective considered it heresy when Anderson gave them a couple of upper teeth in '
Alien Versus Predator', but somehow forgot Winston changed
their entire heads in '
Predator 2'.
If anything, '
Predators' was the only one which made an attempt to go back to that original design. All the rest have always changed what they look like.
I don't think someone on Baldwin's level would really turn down Shane Black.
Wow this thread is a tough read for good news. My bullet points.
1) What could you possibly do with "Predators" sequel but do the exact movie over again? No.
2) It's clear they don't want to follow anything from Predator 2 , numerous movie's prove this. No
3) Why would you suddenly throw a large amount of money at something that will make the same regardless? No
In my opinion this "reboot" may actually be a reboot. My initial guess would be that they replicate the original story with new characters and perhaps some slight differences, like two hunters instead of one, a different location and a female lead.
That's my bit for now, interested to see how this unfolds.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 28, 2014, 09:55:22 PM
Oh, come on... Haven't you always wanted to see a movie where Predators take a piss on their human captives?
Heh heh heh heh! God, no! Ha ha ha ha! No, no no! :laugh:
Seriously, no.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 28, 2014, 09:55:22 PM
The 'Requiem' guys invited him to do a cameo, but he literally told them to f**k off.
Is there actual proof of this? Like a video interview or something on commentary? I rarely listen to commentary tracks so.. if this is true, let me know!
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 28, 2014, 09:55:22 PM
They haven't since 'Predator 2'. The fan-boy collective considered it heresy when Anderson gave them a couple of upper teeth in 'Alien Versus Predator', but somehow forgot Winston changed their entire heads in 'Predator 2'.
This is profoundly true.
Quote from: Russ on Jun 28, 2014, 10:27:02 AM
Not everyone. I thought AvP was one of the highest grossing movie in all of the franchises?
Only if you don't adjust for inflation.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 29, 2014, 12:13:56 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jun 28, 2014, 10:27:02 AM
Not everyone. I thought AvP was one of the highest grossing movie in all of the franchises?
Only if you don't adjust for inflation.
And even then, it's only the second. Prometheus kicked its ass to the curb by over $200 million.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 29, 2014, 12:08:06 AM
Is there actual proof of this? Like a video interview or something on commentary? I rarely listen to commentary tracks so.. if this is true, let me know!
I think Colin mentioned it here on this forum (or possibly an interview) and the hints were such that he could only have been referring to Baldwin, back then. He mentioned no names, but gave enough clues.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 29, 2014, 02:22:03 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 29, 2014, 12:08:06 AM
Is there actual proof of this? Like a video interview or something on commentary? I rarely listen to commentary tracks so.. if this is true, let me know!
I think Colin mentioned it here on this forum (or possibly an interview) and the hints were such that he could only have been referring to Baldwin, back then. He mentioned no names, but gave enough clues.
Yeah it was definitely on this forum, I thought he did mention the name but maybe I'm wrong. You could probably look up his post history, it wouldn't have been that large. Not that it matters anyway.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 29, 2014, 12:20:56 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 29, 2014, 12:13:56 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jun 28, 2014, 10:27:02 AM
Not everyone. I thought AvP was one of the highest grossing movie in all of the franchises?
Only if you don't adjust for inflation.
And even then, it's only the second. Prometheus kicked its ass to the curb by over $200 million.
So $172,543,519 worldwide gross constitutes a film that "everyone" complained about? OK.
Considering it was pretty much universally panned by fans and critics alike, yeah.
Plenty of appalling films make money. Especially if they have a big name character in it, like the Alien. People will flock to it based on that alone.
Quote from: Russ on Jun 29, 2014, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 29, 2014, 12:20:56 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 29, 2014, 12:13:56 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jun 28, 2014, 10:27:02 AM
Not everyone. I thought AvP was one of the highest grossing movie in all of the franchises?
Only if you don't adjust for inflation.
And even then, it's only the second. Prometheus kicked its ass to the curb by over $200 million.
So $172,543,519 worldwide gross constitutes a film that "everyone" complained about? OK.
Even though, as SiL stated, that it was universally by everyone, where did I say that anyone complained about it?
You didn't, I did.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 29, 2014, 08:59:35 AM
Considering it was pretty much universally panned by fans and critics alike, yeah.
I'm not convinced that fans and critics were the only people that went to see the movie. I'm also not convinced that "everyone" complained because of the lack of gore. I think the are members of this forum who liked the movie? So not everyone hated it and certainly not everyone hated it for the reason you postulate.
But that's probably a conversation for the AvP discussion subforum.
Quote from: Russ on Jun 29, 2014, 11:53:31 AMI'm also not convinced that "everyone" complained because of the lack of gore.
I complained because it was shite.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 29, 2014, 11:55:09 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jun 29, 2014, 11:53:31 AMI'm also not convinced that "everyone" complained because of the lack of gore.
I complained because it was shite.
And it was shite only because of the lack of gore?
That was the least of that film's problems!
;D
hahaha, well, I'm not a hater of the movie by any stretch, but I think we've established that not everyone hated it and that those did hated it for reasons other than the lack of gore.
But as I say, one for the AvP sub-forum. Unless Shane Black decides to put an Alien easter egg in the his film. Which I kind of hope he does... but I'm pretty sure he won't *lol*
Quote from: Russ on Jun 29, 2014, 11:53:31 AM
I'm not convinced that fans and critics were the only people that went to see the movie.
Casual cinemagoers vaguely aware of the series were also disappointed by the gore.
You can't argue it's a well-loved, well-received movie when it clearly wasn't and a major hangup people had was the lack of gore. There's a reason every filmmaker after made a point of saying they
wouldn't be doing that -- they know they'd alienate their audience if they did.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 29, 2014, 11:55:09 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jun 29, 2014, 11:53:31 AMI'm also not convinced that "everyone" complained because of the lack of gore.
I complained because it was shite.
Yeah well you're as cynical as a sloth trapped in sinking sand. :laugh:
If it wasn't for AvP I wouldn't be on this forum today. I really enjoyed the film and it introduced me to the culture behind the Alien and Predator universe as well. I understand some elements are not for everyone in which a lot of people disliked it. As a kid growing up I bought a lot of merchandize; games, DVDs, comics. I'm a fan because of AvP and I'm probably not alone, that is a benefit on its own.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 29, 2014, 12:29:20 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jun 29, 2014, 11:53:31 AM
I'm not convinced that fans and critics were the only people that went to see the movie.
Casual cinemagoers vaguely aware of the series were also disappointed by the gore.
You can't argue it's a well-loved, well-received movie when it clearly wasn't and a major hangup people had was the lack of gore. There's a reason every filmmaker after made a point of saying they wouldn't be doing that -- they know they'd alienate their audience if they did.
I'm not. You said everyone complained because of the lack of gore. I'm saying they didn't.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 29, 2014, 12:31:42 PM
I'm a fan because of AvP and I'm probably not alone, that is a benefit on its own.
No. Everyone hates it, Spoonman101.
Everyone. We are alone. Aloonnneee. Alonnneeee.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 29, 2014, 12:31:42 PMYeah well you're as cynical as a sloth trapped in sinking sand. :laugh:
No, it's just a crap film. The characters are all utterly dull and uninteresting, the dialogue is appalling and the plot makes absolutely no sense. It's rubbish.
If you enjoyed it, fine. I enjoy some crappy movies. But you
cannot seriously think it was a great movie.
Great movie?! OH f**k no! It really isn't, and I'm just yanking your leg dude you know I love you!
I directed the post to moreover on the statement that everyone complained about the film.
http://collider.com/robert-rodriguez-predators-sin-city-2-interview/#more-341723 (http://collider.com/robert-rodriguez-predators-sin-city-2-interview/#more-341723)
Didn't know where to put this. Rodriguez talks about a planned second predators and how he came to direct the first.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 29, 2014, 04:32:05 PM
Didn't know where to put this. Rodriguez talks about a planned second predators and how he came to direct the first.
Interesting how the interviewer mentioned how some people felt that the Super Predators devalued the original creature! Heh! Nice find there, man! Nice find indeed!
Why are you so into trashing Predators all the time, at least it was decent enough to warrant some fans here and there. How bout you demolish that Prometheus movie which many many don't like. I know it's your opinion but you keep stating it and stating it and stating it and even stating it over and over again. Predators was a great film felt like a true sequel to Predator.
Quote from: Mike on Jun 29, 2014, 05:13:13 PM
Why are you so into trashing Predators all the time, at least it was decent enough to warrant some fans here and there.
Because I didn't like the movie. And there are a few others on this forum who didn't like the movie either. Sure, we're a small minority but it's not just me who didn't like the movie. I just happen to be the most vocal about it.
Quote from: Mike on Jun 29, 2014, 05:13:13 PM
How bout you demolish that Prometheus movie which many many don't like.
I actually liked Prometheus! Why would I trash a movie that I happened to like?
Quote from: Mike on Jun 29, 2014, 05:13:13 PM
I know it's your opinion but you keep stating it and stating it and stating it and even stating it over and over again. Predators was a great film felt like a true sequel to Predator.
I just don't want this sequel really having anything to do with PREDATORS. I would have to disagree that it was a great film because I just felt that the direction it went in sort of devalued the original creatures, not to mention the ideas it presented like the preserve planet idea sort of renders the idea of traveling to other worlds to hunt almost moot. Why go to another planet to isolate yourself where your prey has most of the advantage to make it more sporting, when you have a planet where it's a controlled environment suited to help the hunter win thus make it less sporting? As for the Super Predators, well that's just a case of someone fixing something that just wasn't broken in the first place. Or to be more precise, something which didn't need upgrading.
This guest is right... We get you don't like the film but you're not contributing anything to the topic by criticizing Predators in all your posts...
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 29, 2014, 06:12:16 PM
This guest is right... We get you don't like the film but you're not contributing anything to the topic by criticizing Predators in all your posts...
I haven't even so much as criticized the movie in that one post. All I did was simply express interest that the interviewer brought up the fact that some people didn't like the Super Predators to Rodriguez is all.
"Super Predator" is just a name the crew gave to the 3 new Preds. There called "Super" because 1st it sounds alright, 2nd reasoning to the name is because the crew also said in the behind the scenes featurettes of Predators on Blu-ray and interviews online with websites that this new clan think they are "Superior" to the traditional clans hence were the name comes from. Superior Preds name sounds stupid which is why there called Super Preds or the more common name is Berserker Preds for not battling with honor like the classics. But by no means does Super mean anything "Super" like Superman. The new preds were "stronger" and built huge because for this main reason they think they are better and stronger than the classics. "Trying to make themselves into better killers" Thats all the term means. They look different to distinguish them from the normals. Berserker Preds is the main allias of the new clan. Super is just a name that its not how it sounds.
Yet you've been criticizing it in most of your other posts... I didn't like Prometheus but it's not as if I downsize it in my threads or posts regarding Alien. It's okay if you don't like Predators but you're going to have to come to terms that it is a part of the mythos behind Predator now and I wouldn't even be surprised if Shane Black would be bringing back elements from the film. The film got an average rating, it's not like Predator is going to win an Oscar for crying out loud!
Quote from: Russ on Jun 29, 2014, 12:45:02 PM
I'm not. You said everyone complained because of the lack of gore. I'm saying they didn't.
You've
never heard of hyperbole ... ?
Berzerker, super, bad bloods, Mr black. There were alot of names that were floated around for them but none of them were used in the film so really it doesn't matter what fans call them. They were just a bad idea
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 29, 2014, 11:25:25 PM
Berzerker, super, bad bloods, Mr black. There were alot of names that were floated around for them but none of them were used in the film so really it doesn't matter what fans call them. They were just a bad idea
I don't think they were a bad idea."Savager" Predators that prey on the more civilized ones. I basically see it like this:
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They sort of make the 'regular' Predators like pussies, I agree, but it's just the same. They're simply a different tribe, one even more menacing, but they are
still predators.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 29, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
They're simply a different tribe, one even more menacing, but they are still predators.
Being of a different tribe doesn't mean that they are the same species either. If you're going to compare tribes and explain why they look physically different, then you might as well compare say member of the Sioux tribe with a member of the Apache. Physically speaking, they'd be the same and almost indistinguishable but culturally.. the differences are vast. So the whole different tribe explanation is not accurate to an extent. They're a different species. I mean we've been shown different clans/tribes in the movies before, and they looked almost similar to each other generally speaking.
Comparing two different humans to two different Predators is not really a fair comparison. You're better off comparing different species of canine than humans.. Or if you want to compare humans, compare modern man to homo neanderthalensis, you'd get a better comparison.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 30, 2014, 12:09:46 AMBeing of a different tribe doesn't mean that they are the same species either. They're a different species. I mean we've been shown different clans/tribes in the movies before, and they looked almost similar to each other generally speaking.
Nope. Same species, different race, that's how I see it.
Or perhaps not even a different race, you know, for example the orangutans, they get those protruding ear flaps only when they become the Alpha Male, same for the lions, the movie says after a Predator accomplishes certain rites de passage, it comes back "different", it might be the same case, their bodies become modified by the action of hormones or something like that.
We really don't know, the different aspect of the "Super Predators" might be too some kind of scarification, straight genetic manipulation or something like that. But they're still pretty much the same creature, only with an enhanced physique or perhaps a little variation.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 29, 2014, 10:32:12 PM
You've never heard of hyperbole ... ?
Spoiler
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Quote from: Magegg on Jun 30, 2014, 12:11:31 AMNope. Same species, different race, that's how I see it.
Stan Winston said it best when he likened them to snakes. All snakes are snakes, but some are different.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 29, 2014, 12:29:20 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jun 29, 2014, 11:53:31 AM
I'm not convinced that fans and critics were the only people that went to see the movie.
Casual cinemagoers vaguely aware of the series were also disappointed by the gore.
You can't argue it's a well-loved, well-received movie when it clearly wasn't and a major hangup people had was the lack of gore. There's a reason every filmmaker after made a point of saying they wouldn't be doing that -- they know they'd alienate their audience if they did.
The added gore in AvP:R was nice, but it didn't help the overall film. I'm not saying that diminishes your argument, but rather, it's one thing the sequel did better.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 30, 2014, 11:05:18 AMThe added gore in AvP:R was nice, but it didn't help the overall film. I'm not saying that diminishes your argument, but rather, it's one thing the sequel did better.
It isn't just about the gore though, it's the overall tone.
Even if you removed the blood and gore from
Alien, it would still be an extremely hard, intense movie. Similarly, if you threw bucketloads of blood and guts into the first
AVP, it wouldn't automatically become a thrilling, edge-of-your-seat film, it would still be a shitty emotionless drama - just with extra blood splashing around.
Requiem showed this better than anything. After the first film, they tried so hard to make the sequel more brutal, and they did it by simply throwing in a ridiculous level of gore. But there's so much more to making a film intense than just splashes of claret, and at the end of the day the movie was still a dull, uninvolving teen drama, it just happened to have gross levels gore. There was no tension whatsoever.
Yes, of course. The film still had a buttload of problems but it was still nice to see some blood considering the first film was so tame.
I think first AvP with all of its problems still makes more efective film, which is interesting and gives us something new to watch. None of new in universe film since 2004 gave us better. AvP-r was plain bad, Predators are repetitive and Prometheus was a mess (beautiful mess).
Predators was better than AvP...
The cowriters for AVPR was planetavp :laugh:
Yeah, I'd rank Predators over AVP by a long way. Predators at least entertained me, even with all its faults. AVP was just plain crap, and needlessly messed with the continuity to boot.
The reason why Weyland Effects exist today >:(
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2014, 12:41:28 PM
Yeah, I'd rank Predators over AVP by a long way. Predators at least entertained me, even with all its faults. AVP was just plain crap, and needlessly messed with the continuity to boot.
Ot each his own I guess. Predators gave us what? Dogs, one cool sky shoot and (not so) super predators. AvP gave us whole new environment, both Bovotoya and Piramid, preds hunting creatures different then humans and beautiful predburster. On quality those films are equal but when it comes to rewatch value I`d pick AvP.
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Predator 4
IMDb: 8.9
Rotten Tomatoes: 94%
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http://geektyrant.com/news/2010/11/20/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-take-on-predator-in-russian-chi.html (http://geektyrant.com/news/2010/11/20/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-take-on-predator-in-russian-chi.html)
Quote from: Master on Jun 30, 2014, 12:35:41 PM
I think first AvP with all of its problems still makes more efective film, which is interesting and gives us something new to watch.
Agreed. People can say what they want about AvP but I actually liked the ideas which AvP presented to us. The whole idea of Predators coming down to Earth and being mistaken for Gods, instilling some of their culture down onto a primitive civilization and helping them develop somewhat in exchange for sacrifices was an interesting thing. I also liked how they incorporated some of the EU into the movie such as the blooding ritual. The environment was pretty cool too.
Quote from: Master on Jun 30, 2014, 04:04:29 PM
To each his own I guess. Predators gave us what? Dogs, one cool sky shoot and (not so) super predators. AvP gave us whole new environment, both Bovotoya and Piramid, preds hunting creatures different then humans and beautiful predburster. On quality those films are equal but when it comes to rewatch value I`d pick AvP.
Also agreed upon. I mean a month ago I tried to watch AvP objectively without the rose-tinted goggles to see what it was that people are complaining about with the movie. Sure some of the dialogue is wooden, and we didn't get any hardened type characters but I still found myself enjoying the film as I did ten years ago when I saw it in theatres. It's a shame that the movie is getting a lot of hate and perhaps some negative treatment from Fox recently. Almost like they're going out of their way to erase it. I don't think AvP was that bad of a movie, probably somewhere on average and I see it as something salvageable.
AVP-R on the other hand.. having seen it objectively not too long ago, I can see exactly why people hate this movie. It's just an extremely mean spirited movie.
AvP was all OK in the basics, but the execution, the characters, the script, everything felt completely off and boring... and the predator vs xenos battles were completely underwhelming, to say the least...
AvP:R actually entertained me much more than AvP, and I like it better, but it's still a very stupid movie.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 30, 2014, 04:36:36 PM
AvP was all OK in the basics, but the execution, the characters, the script, everything felt completely off and boring... and the predator vs xenos battles were completely underwhelming, to say the least...
All this, especially the script issues. The characters were complete non-entities.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2014, 04:40:02 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 30, 2014, 04:36:36 PM
AvP was all OK in the basics, but the execution, the characters, the script, everything felt completely off and boring... and the predator vs xenos battles were completely underwhelming, to say the least...
All this, especially the script issues. The characters were complete non-entities.
I couldn't give a single crap about those charactes. The actors sucked too. The girl from AvP is probably the worst lead of any Aliens and Predator movie, couldn't believe a single thing about her.
You thought AVP:R was better?!?
This makes me overwhelmingly angry!
Your arguement is more invalid than trying to fit a cube on a puzzle board,
more than using Monopoly pieces on a game of Risk,
more than a dog eating cat food,
more than two presidents of the USA,
more than 7 queens of England,
more than Weyland Effects in a textbook,
more than Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fighting the Predator!
I-I- Love it!
Good for you! It takes a lot to openly express that you like it! Who am I to judge you for it likewise? I appreciate that you personally found the movie entertaining despite what ratings tell you.
I for one did not like the movie, I remember always checking in on it while it was in production on PlanetAVP. The Strause brothers used to come on the community and the site administrator looked at it positively and kept us actively posted. I remember previews of the film released on the Internet, all of which were 80% of the action sequences of the film.... Upon release I went with some friends from highschool, smoked a blunt and went to go see it. They still to this day revoked my movie choosing rights and remind me of the crappy experience I bestowed upon them. Shipley; the site administrator, abandoned PlanetAVP and a majority of hard headed stubborn fans selfishly stated that they enjoyed their time watching the film seeing as it did exactly what they wanted despite what the norm wanted.
This causes me to criticize anything I find reminding me of those times. For example you guys talking incredibly poorly of the Predators film, it was decent! It caught me a suprise with the casting, action and mythology. In fact those friends I was talking about happened to enjoy the film a lot. So if this new Predator movie in any way caters to the fans more than the public, I'm throwing all my AvP merchandise out the f**king window!
I'm with spoonman I wouldn't mind another movie in the vein of Predators. I thought it was decent, not great, but it entertained me for ~2 hours. AvPR was absolute shit. It was so dark I couldn't tell what was going on half the time and I already knew the plot to the damn thing.
I just hope Shane Black is a a fan enough to care about the movie, but professional enough not to shoehorn his own fan-fics in. I'd rather get an entertaining but shallow hollywood film than an overbudgeted fan film.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 30, 2014, 05:21:00 PMYou thought AVP:R was better?!?
Didn't say it was better, I said I was more entertained by it. The first movie was better but only "by the textbook". AvP:R is a pile of shit, with a fanficky plot and script, but it's an entertaining movie overall, it has better action and at least the Predator was badass, the other one had tremendously messy and stupid fights that were not enjoyable at all.
AvP 1 is simply boring, predictable, characters you don't give a shit about and the acting and casting very hard to believe. The script better handled could have been a better movie, honesty I would watch AvP:R again, only for the brainless fun and action. I wasn't even bothered for the human characters.
Predators was fine, but it didn't deserve a sequel anyway.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 30, 2014, 05:41:26 PM
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 30, 2014, 05:21:00 PMYou thought AVP:R was better?!?
Didn't say it was better, I said I was more entertained by it. The first movie was better but only "by the textbook". AvP:R is a pile of shit, with a fanficky plot and script, but it's an entertaining movie overall, it has better action and at least the Predator was badass, the other one had tremendously messy and stupid fights that were not enjoyable at all.
AvP 1 is simply boring, predictable, characters you don't give a shit about and the acting and casting very hard to believe. The script better handled could have been a better movie, honesty I would watch AvP:R again, only for the brainless fun and action. I wasn't even bothered for the human characters.
Predators was fine, but it didn't deserve a sequel anyway.
All of which are your own opinion...
Requiem is genuinely, hand-on-heart one of the worst movies I have ever seen. It was just unacceptably crap.
And I still enjoyed it much better than the first AvP. I can't go back in time and change that.
Something I don't get.. Why in the hell do people trash on others who happen to like installments in a franchise which are not popular with the majority?
To be clear, I wasn't insulting Magegg for liking it, I was just sharing my own opinion on the movie.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 30, 2014, 05:50:39 PM
So what?
So I disagree with the acceptation that you like the film... What more do you want? A perpetual pointless argument?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2014, 05:51:46 PM
Requiem is genuinely, hand-on-heart one of the worst movies I have ever seen. It was just unacceptably crap.
Highly inappropriate considering life is a gift better not tainted with something so awful...
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 30, 2014, 05:57:38 PM
Something I don't get.. Why in the hell do people trash on others who happen to like installments in a franchise which are not popular with the majority?
Ahem
QuoteGood for you! It takes a lot to openly express that you like it! Who am I to judge you for it likewise? I appreciate that you personally found the movie entertaining despite what ratings tell you.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 30, 2014, 05:57:38 PMSomething I don't get.. Why in the hell do people trash on others who happen to like installments in a franchise which are not popular with the majority?
Maybe because the original films are so respected, people feel the most recent don't live up to the quality of the franchise(s).
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 30, 2014, 06:00:15 PMSo I disagree with the acceptation that you like the film... What more do you want? A perpetual pointless argument?
Who is arguing?
Quote
Maybe because the original films are so respected, people feel the most recent don't live up to the quality of the franchise(s).
This.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 30, 2014, 06:00:15 PMSo I disagree with the acceptation that you like the film... What more do you want? A perpetual pointless argument?
Who is arguing?
[/quote]Rhetoric ignored...
"quote" code ignored, ha ha.
I can't wait to see another Predator film, I love all of them. Avp is a enjoyable quick play film Avpr is horrible but the good stuff is were its at with Predator Predator 2 and Predators. Next film should be awesome. Also am excited to see Terminator Genesis! 2 of my fav film franchises coming back to the big screen. Something tells me Arnold will star in the sequel because for one his comeback films have been low box-office failures but T5 should put him back and being in the next Pred film would be icing on top. Just what I think. Lets not forget we got another Prometheus film on the way which is cool, but hearing the recent news on Siggourney wanting to come back for a great Alien 5 film got me happy, but I'll take a film over nothing.
i still love that cgi face melting in avpr. you hear gurgle sounds and see his eye balls turn white like a fried fish eye and then dissolve . the detail is the best example of how powerful the acid is in any of the alien or avp movies as far as flesh is concerned . its a fantastic scene imo. . its creepy and to watch that actor johnny who went nuts and killed the cat and lady. apparently he ripped the cats limbs off with his hands.... kids dad wrote pages about him on his imdb page. it's tragic .
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 30, 2014, 05:57:38 PM
Something I don't get.. Why in the hell do people trash on others who happen to like installments in a franchise which are not popular with the majority?
In the main - Because it's easier to adopt an air of intellectual superiority when trashing something rather than enthusing about it, safe in the knowledge that there are plenty of others who've had their opinions spoon fed to them by the internet hive mind to back you up.
I wouldn't say that's the case on this forum when discussing these movies because people have joined this forum because of their liking for the franchises , so there's a passion here that you don't see on general discussions I guess.
On the whole, though - it shouldn't - but it really does irritate me. Read the headline "Paul WS Anderson is making..." and before you've even got that far into the article, people are commenting "It'll be the biggest pile of shit ever," "NO WAY this movie is dead" "It's going to SUCK!".
Really. And we know that because... well, all the people on the internet keep saying he's rubbish so he must be. I use him as an example, but it could be anything from Batman vs Superman (a film that the hive-mind seems to know the plot, script and execution of and just why it won't be as good as Marvel - before we've seen a frame of film, naturally) to "Disney buys Marvel" and we all know that every single movie that will be produced in the future by this company will be a pile of watery shit (can watery shit form a pile? A splodge, then).
The thing is, as we know, there are objectively good and bad films. There are a million and one (probably ten times that, to be fair) people who will tell you that Paul WS Anderson is a shit director. Only a tiny percentage of could tell you
why he's a shit director (messing with the life-cycle doesn't count).
Opinion is a different ball game - its not a fact. It's a point of view - in this case, messing with the life-cycle DOES count for instance.
I LOVED AvP. It did what it said on the tin, had some great ideas and could (and probably should) have been a better movie. How much interference Anderson actually had from the studio is something I'd love to ask him (when he's retired as the truth will never out if he wants to work for Fox again) but if you view the comprehensive set of Special Features and listen to the commentaries, it's clear that he really has a load of passion for this piece. It wasn't a pay cheque, it was an opportunity. That's what it felt like to me anyway.
But that studio theory -that's my assessment. My opinion. My point of view. I could be wrong. I could be right. But I don't know.
To address the question of why does get so personal at times, though. Maybe the anonymity of the internet? Sometimes I read stuff that I've written and realise that I'd never be that much of a tool in real-life (or at least I'd hope not. Both my friends say I'm not a tool). Similarly, I read posts by others and think that they're utter c**ts, but they can't be like that all the time. Or at least you'd hope not. Then again, some people do swap a personality for an avatar, so you never know.
But anyway - I'm confident that Shane Black will do a great job (see how I expertly turned that back on topic there).
QuoteOn the whole, though - it shouldn't - but it really does irritate me. Read the headline "Paul WS Anderson is making..." and before you've even got that far into the article, people are commenting "It'll be the biggest pile of shit ever," "NO WAY this movie is dead" "It's going to SUCK!".
Really. And we know that because... well, all the people on the internet keep saying he's rubbish so he must be.
In the case of Anderson though - he generally is rubbish.
Event Horizon is a film I really, really enjoy. Soldier isn't appalling either, although I'm probably biased because I'm a big Kurt Russell fan.
Everything else I've seen made by Anderson has been varying degrees of crap.
In your opinion. :D
No - this is derailing the thread. If you are both so inclined, I'd love to read an in-depth objective analysis of why WS movies are crap. But this will not change by subjective view of them.
Quote from: Russ on Jul 01, 2014, 08:43:34 AMIn your opinion. :D
I never said I was talking fact.
Although a lot of his films are filled with stuff that is factually bad - especially acting and scripts.
i think pwa is ok at directing i just dont like that he didn't hire stan winston, it f**ked the predator aspect of the film greatly . plus it upset stan winston. the writing of paul and the cheesyness to his writing f**ked 90%of that films dialog . the cgi scene when scar spins and impales the queens head is beautiful for 2seconds then ruined by a close up of rubber halloween mask scar. also the first predator to die in avp, you see his wrist sword bend as he is thrown to the ground from the 30ft alien tail that impales him. the director makes the decisions and that movie is full of bad decisions. mainly not hiring stan winston, . its ok if you disagre with worldpeace.
Quoteits ok if you disagre with worldpeace
Today is not "agree with worldpeace" day. *lol*
you still friend. :-*
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 01, 2014, 08:36:18 AM
Everything else I've seen made by Anderson has been varying degrees of crap.
I thought he did a fine job with the first Mortal Kombat movie. I mean a lot of the Mortal Kombat fans whom I have spoken to told me that they thought the movie was fine as it was a product of the 90s. I haven't seen Event Horizon though, but I've heard people say some mixed things about it-- some good, some bad. As for Soldier... I thought that was an interesting flick.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 01, 2014, 08:57:46 AMI thought he did a fine job with the first Mortal Kombat movie. I mean a lot of the Mortal Kombat fans whom I have spoken to told me that they thought the movie was fine as it was a product of the 90s. I haven't seen Event Horizon though, but I've heard people say some mixed things about it-- some good, some bad. As for Soldier... I thought that was an interesting flick.
I didn't enjoy
Mortal Kombat at all, although my mate reckons it's his favourite film of all time.
I don't think any of his films, even the two I singled out, are masterpieces.
Soldier's just a
Rambo knock-off but not as good, although I do like the concept of soldiers trained from birth - the beginning of the movie showing that was easily the best part. Similarly,
Event Horizon is basically an
Alien clone, admittedly one of the better ones I've seen, and again the concept it's based on is pretty interesting. The cast is good and the sets are great. I'd say it's easily the best Paul Anderson film I've seen, and I've seen most of them at some point.
Event Horizon was a complete waste of talent for Fishburne and Neill. I've rarely been so bored when watching a movie.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 01, 2014, 08:36:18 AM
Event Horizon is a film I really, really enjoy. Soldier isn't appalling either, although I'm probably biased because I'm a big Kurt Russell fan.
Everything else I've seen made by Anderson has been varying degrees of crap.
Soldier was garbage, despite Russell and Pertwee. EH I still dig despite it's flaws. I liked Death Race too. Everything else he's done - ugh...
MK is guilty pleasure from childhood. I still love it though. Soldier is ok., Death Race is ok., Event Horrizon is great!
Mortal Kombat was the best vg movie until Ace Attorney knocked it from it's perch.
Back to Pred reboot...
Who else wants the ugly motherf**ker line to be dropped for good?
In fairness, I liked how it was done in Predators. One of the better-staged references.
It was in Predators? Where?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 02, 2014, 03:18:20 PM
It was in Predators? Where?
When Nikolai curses Tracker out in Russian.
Nikolai says it in Russian just before he blows himself up, but it isn't subtitled. I thought that was nice and subtle. (Although in fairness, he could've written it on a brick and smashed it into the Predator's face, it still would've been more subtle than the other references in that film.)
Ah. Well in any event, I'd like to see it left out. No more homages. Just do something new.
It's been in all the 3 pred films so far.
Dont break the tradition. :P
It should be part of the Shane Black Buddy Dialogue (TM).
"You're one ugly motherf**ker, you know that, right?"
"Hahahaha, f**k you."
But better than that, of course.
I still cant believe we are getting such a good writer/director for this sequel.
"pinches self".
Holy shit, it's real. O_O
Beware Prometheus.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jul 02, 2014, 11:41:27 PM
It's been in all the 3 pred films so far.
Dont break the tradition. :P
f**k tradition.
Tradition is one ugly motherf*cker.
Quote from: Russ on Jul 03, 2014, 07:42:23 AM
Beware Prometheus.
Ridley is a good visual director but he cant write or create a "story" worth shit. He aint no writer.
Shane is. This is a different case.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jul 03, 2014, 02:45:05 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jul 03, 2014, 07:42:23 AM
Beware Prometheus.
Ridley is a good visual director but he cant write or create a "story" worth shit. He aint no writer.
That's irrelevant since he didn't write Prometheus.
Nope. Ridley "guided" the writing process, pretty much dictating to Lindelof and Spaihts what to do.
A lot of the ideas in the film are his.
That's probably why it's such a mess.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jul 03, 2014, 02:45:05 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jul 03, 2014, 07:42:23 AM
Beware Prometheus.
Ridley is a good visual director but he cant write or create a "story" worth shit. He aint no writer.
Shane is. This is a different case.
I read "Beware Prometheus" as more of a, watch out Prommy, this film will knock you off your perch-type thing.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jul 03, 2014, 04:14:42 PMA lot of the ideas in the film are his.
That's probably why it's such a mess.
Nah. I believe Ridley's ideas were the good part of the film. The rest, those weird clues that went nowhere, must be a Lindelof thing. After all, he was the one who wrote Lost.
Nah. Lindelof warned Ridley to avoid LOST style mysteries. He said as much in interviews once the film came out.
It was Ridley's call to avoid giving "answers" in the film.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jul 03, 2014, 04:27:39 PMNah. Lindelof warned Ridley to avoid LOST style mysteries. He said as much in interviews once the film came out.
He lied.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jul 03, 2014, 04:27:39 PMIt was Ridley's call to avoid giving "answers" in the film.
Probably about the film's message and mystery (why did the Engineers tried to kill humans?), not how the black goo worked and that.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jul 03, 2014, 04:14:42 PM
Nope. Ridley "guided" the writing process, pretty much dictating to Lindelof and Spaihts what to do.
A lot of the ideas in the film are his.
That's probably why it's such a mess.
So not really any different to how he usually works.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 03, 2014, 04:16:18 PM
I read "Beware Prometheus" as more of a, watch out Prommy, this film will knock you off your perch-type thing.
And you'd be right. I should have put more context there. What I mean is, this movie probably won't have the budget and certainly not the fanfare - Prometheus was supposed to be The Next Big Thing in the franchise. Yes it made loads of cash (so job done) but I believe that many of the fancore didn't like it.
I have to say, I was
underwhelmed[/i] to be honest. I didn't hate it, I'd certainly watch it again and I really must listen to all the commentaries.
On the other hand, I really think Shane Black and co will deliver - as has been noted, he's smart enough to put in enough fan-nods, but won't go Ex2 over the top with it (I think anyway).
QuoteYes it made loads of cash (so job done) but I believe that many of the fancore didn't like it.
The main thing, however, is that critics and audiences generally did.
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2014, 09:59:58 AM
QuoteYes it made loads of cash (so job done) but I believe that many of the fancore didn't like it.
The main thing, however, is that critics and audiences generally did.
Is it a classic though? Will it have the same resonance in 20 or 30 years as either original franchise does today. And also, don't you find sometimes that critical acclaim can be weighted by wanting. I remember that Empire gave The Phantom Menace five stars -- because it was the new Star Wars. Everyone wanted this to be a landmark film - and I don't think it hit those heights.
I guess the jury's out till the trilogy (is it going to be a trilogy?) is done. As I say, I thought it was OK. I wonder if it becomes more nuanced the more you see it? For me, it seems (at this time) to lack the stickability of the original films or any of the Predator movies.
I suppose it's a bit unfair to judge it on those terms - but... my gut feel (and that's all it is and can be at this stage) is that Predator 2:0 or whatever its going to be called will hit all the spots.
Quote from: Russ on Jul 04, 2014, 10:15:35 AMIs it a classic though?
Not if you ask me. But ultimately the studio only cares about the bottom line.
QuoteIs it a classic though?
Did someone claim it was?
QuoteWill it have the same resonance in 20 or 30 years as either original franchise does today.
Alien and Aliens resonate. The others, not so much. Prometheus is effectively part of the franchise, and from the amount of discussion after the film was released, it certainly wasn't easily forgotten for good or ill.
QuoteAs I say, I thought it was OK. I wonder if it becomes more nuanced the more you see it?
I find it more interesting - but the flaws are also amplified on repeat viewings.
this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3T45Kn5sg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3T45Kn5sg#ws)
The Last boy scout meets Predator - suits me fine.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jul 05, 2014, 01:51:29 AM
this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3T45Kn5sg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3T45Kn5sg#ws)
That was a pointless matchup. Nothing can kill Wolverine.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 06, 2014, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jul 05, 2014, 01:51:29 AM
this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3T45Kn5sg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3T45Kn5sg#ws)
That was a pointless matchup. Nothing can kill Wolverine.
Chop his head off, he's done then
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jul 06, 2014, 02:23:08 PMChop his head off, he's done then
Like it was so easy...
Quote from: Magegg on Jul 06, 2014, 03:45:41 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jul 06, 2014, 02:23:08 PMChop his head off, he's done then
Like it was so easy...
One does not simply chop off Wolverine's head.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 06, 2014, 06:28:58 PM
One does not simply chop off Wolverine's head.
Just leaving this here..
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Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2014, 06:32:23 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 06, 2014, 06:28:58 PM
One does not simply chop off Wolverine's head.
Just leaving this here..
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Predator ain't Dr. Doom.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2014, 06:32:23 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 06, 2014, 06:28:58 PM
One does not simply chop off Wolverine's head.
Just leaving this here..
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And yet, Wolverine is still around and probably more popular than ever.
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2014, 10:00:04 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2014, 06:32:23 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 06, 2014, 06:28:58 PM
One does not simply chop off Wolverine's head.
Just leaving this here..
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And yet, Wolverine is still around and probably more popular than ever.
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Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2014, 06:32:23 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 06, 2014, 06:28:58 PM
One does not simply chop off Wolverine's head.
Just leaving this here..
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Dr. Doom would stomp entire Predator clan. Your point?
That's exactly why I hate comic books. No one ever dies.
There's absolutely no threat if you can just resurrect everyone all the time.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 07, 2014, 07:33:54 AM
That's exactly why I hate comic books. No one ever dies.
There's absolutely no threat if you can just resurrect everyone all the time.
Well, the minor characters do.
I'm sure. But it just seems to me like none of the major players ever really die. I'll admit I don't really know all that much about comic books, but the impression I get is that a whole bunch of these superheroes are killed only to be brought back later. If they don't stay dead, where's the threat? Even if they get killed, you know they'll be back. It totally undermines it for me.
Take the latest X-Men films. I honestly thought killing off Xavier was a seriously ballsy move in the third film, and it impressed the hell out of me. But now he's back. And they didn't even explain it.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 07, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
I'm sure. But it just seems to me like none of the major players ever really die. I'll admit I don't really know all that much about comic books, but the impression I get is that a whole bunch of these superheroes are killed only to be brought back later. If they don't stay dead, where's the threat? Even if they get killed, you know they'll be back. It totally undermines it for me.
Take the latest X-Men films. I honestly thought killing off Xavier was a seriously ballsy move in the third film, and it impressed the hell out of me. But now he's back. And they didn't even explain it.
The answer is: You have to take every comic book run as a self-contained story. When a character dies, it usually stays dead, until another writer takes on the story. But for the writer who wrote the characters's death, it can be very meaningful inside the storyline created by that writer.
Quote from: Magegg on Jul 07, 2014, 03:25:36 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 07, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
I'm sure. But it just seems to me like none of the major players ever really die. I'll admit I don't really know all that much about comic books, but the impression I get is that a whole bunch of these superheroes are killed only to be brought back later. If they don't stay dead, where's the threat? Even if they get killed, you know they'll be back. It totally undermines it for me.
Take the latest X-Men films. I honestly thought killing off Xavier was a seriously ballsy move in the third film, and it impressed the hell out of me. But now he's back. And they didn't even explain it.
The answer is: You have to take every comic book run as a self-contained story. When a character dies, it usually stays dead, until another writer takes on the story. But for the writer who wrote the characters's death, it can be very meaningful inside the storyline created by that writer.
Just like the Alien franchise then?