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I’m sure I wouldn’t be speaking out of turn if I said the future of Alien and Predator under Disney has been something of a concern for a lot of fans. And now Disney and Fox have confirmed that Alien remains a priority for the studio.

The Disney presentation is currently taking place at CinemaCon and according to attendees, not only was footage of Alien: Covenant during their sizzle reel, but it was also confirmed that Disney and Fox planned to continue working on the Alien series, as well as the Planet of the Apes, Kingsman, Avatar and Maze Runner series.

Disney/Fox confirm that the Alien series remains alive under the new ownership.

Fox side now teasing more Apes, Kingsman, Avatar, Alien and Maze Runner movies #CinemaCon

— Erik Davis (@ErikDavis) April 3, 2019

Alien and Planet of the Apes sound like they're still in play at Disney, as they were highlighted onscreen at CinemaCon as franchises they are actively continuing to develop.

— Exhibitor Relations Co. (@ERCboxoffice) April 3, 2019

Disney confirmed #Alien is one of the franchises they are actively continuing during their #CinemaCon presentation! @AlienAnthology pic.twitter.com/98zWVqlAp8

— Nicholas Whitcomb (@Whos_Nick) April 3, 2019

Footage from the Predator series was also included in the sizzle reel but nothing was mentioned about continuing the franchise. Thanks to HN Entertainment’s Nick for the heads-up.

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Quote from: 0321recon on Apr 03, 2019, 11:43:31 PM
Just scrap Covenant (I like Covenant BTW, though know the animosity that some have towards it, would be better if was put aside), and do Prometheus 2/Paradise from Scott (though keep the continuity from the series a.k.a Engineers/space jokey's being the creators of the Alien) and start a new timeline after Alien 3 with new or seasoned directors to continue the franchise to please all the fans.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 03, 2019, 11:58:05 PM
Confirm Ridley's third prequel now, dammit! :D

Quote from: Mr.Skinsuit on Apr 04, 2019, 12:00:13 AM
Predator Needs an animated series

Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 01:57:26 AM
Phew! Interesting that they showed footage of Covenant.  :)

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2019, 02:01:32 AM

Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 01:57:26 AM
Phew! Interesting that they showed footage of Covenant.  :)

versus....?

Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 02:08:35 AM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2019, 02:01:32 AM

Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 01:57:26 AM
Phew! Interesting that they showed footage of Covenant.  :)

versus....?

I don't know, Alien I guess. Just surprised me since Covenant is almost universally disliked. Probably doesn't mean anything though.

Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 02:08:35 AM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2019, 02:01:32 AM

Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 01:57:26 AM
Phew! Interesting that they showed footage of Covenant.  :)

versus....?

I don't know, Alien I guess. Just surprised me since Covenant is almost universally disliked. Probably doesn't mean anything though.

Quote from: Huggs on Apr 04, 2019, 01:53:14 AM
Indeed. Promoting anything predator related at this point would be like a kid wanting to discuss a raise in their allowance 2 days after wrecking the family car.

Quote from: Whos_Nick on Apr 03, 2019, 11:34:35 PM
Now we can get Ridley's next prequel where David becomes the SJ

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 04, 2019, 12:33:24 AM
NO!  I will not eat the cat poop!  >:(

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2019, 01:12:03 AM
Let's hope Predator still gets some love.  A series perhaps on the Disney owned Hulu?

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Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2019, 02:18:37 AM
It's probably just because it's the latest film in the series.

Quote from: SM on Apr 04, 2019, 02:21:48 AM

Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 02:08:35 AM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2019, 02:01:32 AM

Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 01:57:26 AM
Phew! Interesting that they showed footage of Covenant.  :)

versus....?

I don't know, Alien I guess. Just surprised me since Covenant is almost universally disliked. Probably doesn't mean anything though.

"almost universally disliked"?

Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 02:28:16 AM
Well, you know what I mean.. :laugh:  I know it's not ''almost universally disliked'' but it did get lukewarm reviews and lots of people didn't like it.

Anyway, good to know Alien is still alive for now. I wonder if this means the rumored TV shows could still happen.

Quote from: Huggs on Apr 04, 2019, 02:36:58 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if the Tongal shorts are just them testing the water for shows.

Lower budgets, smaller sets, cheaper actors. If the shorts are a success, why not go for it?

Quote from: Huggs on Apr 04, 2019, 02:36:58 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if the Tongal shorts are just them testing the water for shows.

Lower budgets, smaller sets, cheaper actors. If the shorts are a success, why not go for it?

New Fox's Emma Watts is up, and reveals intentions to make more ALIEN films, more PLANET OF THE APES films, more KINGSMAN films. A brave new era! #CinemaCon

— Barry Hertz (@HertzBarry) 3 April 2019

Emma Watts says it's "no secret Disney has the biggest franchises in the business" but points to Kingsman, Alien, Planet of the Apes and Avatar as properties its bringing to the table. #CinemaCon

— Amy Kaufman (@AmyKinLA) 3 April 2019

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 04, 2019, 06:29:48 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Fox&#39;s Emma Watts is up, and reveals intentions to make more ALIEN films, more PLANET OF THE APES films, more KINGSMAN films. A brave new era! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CinemaCon?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CinemaCon</a></p>— Barry Hertz (@HertzBarry) <a href="https://twitter.com/HertzBarry/status/1113576045179887616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">3 April 2019</a></blockquote>
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Quote from: Huggs on Apr 04, 2019, 02:36:58 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if the Tongal shorts are just them testing the water for shows.

Lower budgets, smaller sets, cheaper actors. If the shorts are a success, why not go for it?

Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 08:59:56 AM
Quality > Popularity.

Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Apr 04, 2019, 09:02:39 AM

Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 08:59:56 AM
Quality > Popularity.

Disney.

Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 09:10:25 AM

Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Apr 04, 2019, 09:02:39 AM

Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 08:59:56 AM
Quality > Popularity.

Disney.

Unpredictability.

Quote from: Still Collating... on Apr 04, 2019, 10:49:14 AM
But I won't object to a new movie if it's done well.

Quote from: Kane's other son on Apr 04, 2019, 12:11:07 PM
Sorry but Blomkamp can't tell a coherent story if his life depended on it. Since Chappie he directed half a dozen short films and the only one which was not a story-free trailer was the one with the body parts monster -which was cool but featured a cliche narrative.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2019, 01:06:20 PM
Disnox

Quote from: bobcunk on Apr 04, 2019, 04:16:05 PM
I dont like the idea of retconning alien 3

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 04, 2019, 06:29:48 AM

QuoteEmma Watts says it's "no secret Disney has the biggest franchises in the business" but points to Kingsman, Alien, Planet of the Apes and Avatar as properties its bringing to the table. #CinemaCon

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 04, 2019, 04:59:42 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 04, 2019, 06:29:48 AM

QuoteEmma Watts says it's "no secret Disney has the biggest franchises in the business" but points to Kingsman, Alien, Planet of the Apes and Avatar as properties its bringing to the table. #CinemaCon

I suspect Watts had a reasonably significant amount of input on Alien: Covenant for good or for ill, rather like Tom Rothman and Prometheus. That's probably why they screened a clip of Covenant at Cinema Con. She also has close ties with Ridley Scott so I guess she'll be keen to continue that story-line then.

Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 08:47:35 PM
No... The Deacon design's awful- a Neomorph variant aberration, and the Engineers?
Depthless space human ancestors, Last and First Men shit space opera.

The Alien lifecycle's perfect as is.
And horrific as ever, as Isolation, The Cold Forge and the Tongal Films prove.

Neomorphs are the imperfect version of the Alien, the Alien is the perfect version.

Quote from: bobcunk on Apr 04, 2019, 04:16:05 PM
I dont like the idea of retconning alien 3, it makes sense in the Terminator since it deals with time travel and already has multiple timelines. I think they should start doing separate stand alone Alien movies after they finish the David story.

Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 10:22:00 PM
Nostalgia festival? Beyond my comprehension tbh.

The first four things, Alien, Military, Pulse Rifle, Smart-Gun, I understand.

A Conestoga vessel(s)? No original design(s)? C'mon.

New military hardware and old military hardware please.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 04, 2019, 11:22:30 PM

Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 10:22:00 PM
Nostalgia festival? Beyond my comprehension tbh.

The first four things, Alien, Military, Pulse Rifle, Smart-Gun, I understand.

A Conestoga vessel(s)? No original design(s)? C'mon.
New military hardware and old military hardware please.

ALL OF THIS is an exercise in nostalgia.  If it wasn't for our collectively preconceived notions about the Alien series we wouldn't be here.  You cannot escape nostalgia when you're playing in the sandbox that someone already established.  If you want originality, create completely new sci-fi that does not lean on an existing series.  Otherwise, come to grips with the fact that you're engaging in a nostalgia exercise and stop deluding yourself otherwise.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 05, 2019, 12:28:08 AM
Starting "fresh" with Terminator and killing everything post-T2 Halloween-style makes sense. Everything after that second film, at least in my opinion, has been dire and utterly forgettable, with nothing of note to them to make me want to revisit them, or even remember that they exist. And for those out there that do care about them about about the continuity post-T2, it is a franchise that involves time travel so if you really wanted to you could chalk it up to being an alternate timeline.

With Alien... even the weaker films are at least conceptually interesting and are executed in such a way that they feel as though they actually have merit for existing, that they have something to say and contribute to the universe and, even more importantly, as films in their own right.

Nothing against  Neill Blomkamp, I do enjoy the guy's stuff for what it is, but his take on Alien is, at least in my humble opinion, not at all what the franchise needs. Let him do Robocop, which is much more in line with his grounded, hyperrealistic sci-fi visuals and tongue-in-cheek satire. And let Alien wrap up the story that it is currently telling, and then move forward into some new uncharted territory.

Quote from: irn on Apr 05, 2019, 03:39:40 PM
The Star Wars fiasco might actually have been a blessing in disguise. It might have shocked and scared Disney enough for them to actually sit back, think for a minute and then pay attention to what they are doing. It taught them not to rely on brand recognition as being the sole reason that draw people to a franchise. Films in a franchise, surprisingly, actually have to be good to keep people interested in that franchise. So hopefully they will get true talent that know what they are doing involved in the future of Alien and not make creative decisions based off of marketing research graphs and focus groups.

It would be awesome if they did a sequel to Alien Covenant that put that particular story arc on a track (as it wasn't even on one to begin with), and followed Alien 3 with a sequel (that does not involve Ripley or Hicks or Newt!) that takes it in a new and interesting direction.

Quote from: irn on Apr 05, 2019, 03:39:40 PM
The Star Wars fiasco might actually have been a blessing in disguise. It might have shocked and scared Disney enough for them to actually sit back, think for a minute and then pay attention to what they are doing. It taught them not to rely on brand recognition as being the sole reason that draw people to a franchise. Films in a franchise, surprisingly, actually have to be good to keep people interested in that franchise. So hopefully they will get true talent that know what they are doing involved in the future of Alien and not make creative decisions based off of marketing research graphs and focus groups.

It would be awesome if they did a sequel to Alien Covenant that put that particular story arc on a track (as it wasn't even on one to begin with), and followed Alien 3 with a sequel (that does not involve Ripley or Hicks or Newt!) that takes it in a new and interesting direction.

Quote from: Kane's other son on Apr 05, 2019, 01:26:26 PM
If fans back in the early 80s demanded that a sequel to Alien was faithful to the look and atmosphere of the original, we would have never gotten Aliens. Let future creators surprise us.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 05, 2019, 12:28:08 AMStarting "fresh" with Terminator and killing everything post-T2 Halloween-style makes sense. Everything after that second film, at least in my opinion, has been dire and utterly forgettable,

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 03, 2019, 11:27:02 PMWhile a decision was made to apparently not renew any Alien vs. Predator licences.

Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Apr 06, 2019, 02:56:59 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 05, 2019, 12:28:08 AMStarting "fresh" with Terminator and killing everything post-T2 Halloween-style makes sense. Everything after that second film, at least in my opinion, has been dire and utterly forgettable,

Woah stop making personal opinions "statement of facts".

Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Apr 06, 2019, 02:56:59 PM

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 05, 2019, 12:28:08 AMStarting "fresh" with Terminator and killing everything post-T2 Halloween-style makes sense. Everything after that second film, at least in my opinion, has been dire and utterly forgettable,

Woah stop making personal opinions "statement of facts".

I will boycott the forthcoming TERMINATOR "Dark Fate"  ::) after James Cameron tricked me into thinking "Genisys" (T5) was "the real sequel to TERMINATOR 2". Yes James Cameron actually said that. Now he's saying T6 is the real sequel............yeah heard it all before.

TERMINATOR 3- Rise of the Machines, in my opinion, is a fun, workable sequel with one of the best truck chase scenes up there with TERMINATOR 2. Yes its campy in a Playboy/Maxim magazine kind of way but that's what made it fun. Kristanna Loken's leather clad Terminatrix was great but I don't get why her endoskeleton looked like a terminator version of the classic UFO alien "little green men" meme.
Also "that ending". Good film.

TERMINATOR 4 (SALVATION) was a formulaic film that tried to Christopher Nolan the TERMINATOR films but at least the production values were good.

TERMINATOR 5 (Gensys) was just trash and made ROBOCOP 3 (1993) look like Blade Runner by comparison.

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 03, 2019, 11:27:02 PMWhile a decision was made to apparently not renew any Alien vs. Predator licences.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c15dea03a6e4df6c1d42ce4391b256e6/tenor.gif

Quote from: The Old One on Apr 05, 2019, 01:20:10 PM
The condescension of Perfect-Organism is palpable.
The only reason I want a portion of the concepts we've seen before to return is for verisimilitude.
The rest? Again, it has nothing to do with nostalgia when I'm adamant I want new things,
set in the universe I enjoy.

A comparison of quality is a different subject.

Quote from: Huggs on Apr 07, 2019, 04:25:39 AM
If we ever get audible dramas of earth hive, nightmare asylum, female war, and the alien 3 alternates, I could die happy.

Quote from: Wlvscrclwlvs on Apr 07, 2019, 09:21:06 AM
The alien theory YouTube does some pretty good readings of the earth wars comic series if you're after an audio fix and he's does seem me nice work with reshowing the visuals.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 07, 2019, 11:03:27 AM

Quote from: Wlvscrclwlvs on Apr 07, 2019, 09:21:06 AM
The alien theory YouTube does some pretty good readings of the earth wars comic series if you're after an audio fix and he's does seem me nice work with reshowing the visuals.

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61495.msg2353808#msg2353808

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 07, 2019, 04:19:26 AM
I wish they'd adapt some of these into graphic novels.

Quote from: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 08:18:16 PM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 07, 2019, 04:19:26 AM
I wish they'd adapt some of these into graphic novels.

Gimme animated adaptations of some of the comics instead,
Dead Orbit, Dust To Dust, Labyrinth, Salvation, Sacrifice, Survival and Alchemy.

Quote from: The Old One on Apr 22, 2019, 11:15:06 PM
Please Jesus Christ and God. No.

Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 02:08:35 AM
I don't know, Alien I guess. Just surprised me since Covenant is almost universally disliked. Probably doesn't mean anything though.

Quote from: Sagit on Apr 04, 2019, 07:27:08 AM
It is all good and well but nothing great will come out of it if Ridley stays at the helm of new movies. Just my opinion (I really hate Covenant and Prometheus).

QuoteYou serious?

Quote from: The Old One on May 08, 2019, 10:50:24 PM
It is wherever I look, LV-426 Reddit for instance or anywhere social.

Quote from: The Old One on May 09, 2019, 12:04:35 AM
Apologies then, I read your posts as monotone.

Quote from: The Old One on May 08, 2019, 11:48:55 PM
You serious? I've looked plenty. The majority of people vocal about a subject is usually negative, yes,
but concerning Prometheus & Co. nearly every discussion regarding the prequel series has had a larger ratio of people saying it's a failure.

Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 12, 2019, 03:53:28 AM
Six more prequels

Quote from: Huggs on May 12, 2019, 04:01:31 AM

Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 12, 2019, 03:53:28 AM
Six more prequels

So my grandchildren will be able to see it connect to the first film?

Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 14, 2019, 02:42:21 AM
I still think the ideas of Prometheus were pretty interesting, and I would hope future prequels if they happen go back to that instead of the Xeno.

Quote from: Monster Man on May 15, 2019, 01:03:54 AM

Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 14, 2019, 02:42:21 AM
I still think the ideas of Prometheus were pretty interesting, and I would hope future prequels if they happen go back to that instead of the Xeno.

I appreciate what Prometheus attempted -- tryin' to spin the fabric of a larger universe at play instead of focusing solely on one creature. It's just unfortunate that said creature is the core of this world to a lot of people.

Quote from: Monster Man on May 15, 2019, 01:03:54 AMI appreciate what Prometheus attempted -- tryin' to spin the fabric of a larger universe at play instead of focusing solely on one creature. It's just unfortunate that said creature is the core of this world to a lot of people.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 15, 2019, 06:35:38 PM
Is the lack of a legit Alien really all that high on the list of complaints about that movie though?

Quote from: Ridley Scott"It went straight up there, and we discovered from it that [the fans] were really frustrated. They wanted to see more of the original [monster] and I thought he was definitely cooked, with an orange in his mouth. So I thought: 'Wow, OK, I'm wrong'.""The fans, in a funny kind of way – they're not the final word – but they are the reflection of your doubts about something," Scott explains, "and then you realise 'I was wrong' or 'I was right'. I think that's where it comes in. I think you're not sensible if you don't actually take [the fans' reaction] into account."

QuoteIs the lack of a legit Alien really all that high on the list of complaints about that movie though?

Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 09:34:06 PM

QuoteIs the lack of a legit Alien really all that high on the list of complaints about that movie though?

Yes.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 15, 2019, 09:31:01 PM

Quote from: Ridley Scott"It went straight up there, and we discovered from it that [the fans] were really frustrated. They wanted to see more of the original [monster] and I thought he was definitely cooked, with an orange in his mouth. So I thought: 'Wow, OK, I'm wrong'.""The fans, in a funny kind of way – they're not the final word – but they are the reflection of your doubts about something," Scott explains, "and then you realise 'I was wrong' or 'I was right'. I think that's where it comes in. I think you're not sensible if you don't actually take [the fans' reaction] into account."

So he gave us f*cking Aliens on the next round.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 14, 2019, 01:40:00 AM
Prometheus was great.  Grand in its successes and shortcomings.  Love it.

Yes, I want to see the conclusion of the prequels as well.  After Covenant, it is for me more about closure than about being excited to be honest.

Quote from: The Old One on May 18, 2019, 04:37:20 PM
I am certain it intended to be good and intelligent, and failed.

Quote from: The Old One on May 18, 2019, 04:37:20 PM
I am certain it intended to be good and intelligent, and failed.

Quote from: razeak on Aug 01, 2019, 01:38:07 PM
Patiently waiting for news......got excited for a moment lol.

Prometheus is pretty at least.

The deacon/trilobite design didn't hold my interest.

Dumb characters didn't help either. It's a shame because the actual performances in the film are good to excellent.

Quote from: razeak on Aug 02, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
I don't know, the running in a straight line as it slowly falls toward Theron kind of spoils that scene.  They should have veered and a piece of debris should hit her instead.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 02, 2019, 01:32:52 AMThe crashing of the derelict makes everything else forgivable.

Quote from: razeak on Aug 02, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
I don't know, the running in a straight line as it slowly falls toward Theron kind of spoils that scene.  They should have veered and a piece of debris should hit her instead.

Quote from: SM on Aug 05, 2019, 08:23:55 PM

Quote from: razeak on Aug 02, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
I don't know, the running in a straight line as it slowly falls toward Theron kind of spoils that scene.  They should have veered and a piece of debris should hit her instead.

They did veer.

Quote from: razeak on Aug 05, 2019, 09:19:55 PM

Quote from: SM on Aug 05, 2019, 08:23:55 PM

Quote from: razeak on Aug 02, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
I don't know, the running in a straight line as it slowly falls toward Theron kind of spoils that scene.  They should have veered and a piece of debris should hit her instead.

They did veer.

Face palm lol. Okay, they should have veered a hard 90 and sprinted like hell. They actually appear to have taken a decent angle on the veer. Just not enough .

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 05, 2019, 11:00:31 PM
Prometheus had problems that were far worse than Vickers getting crushed by a giant horseshoe.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 05, 2019, 11:00:31 PM
Prometheus had problems that were far worse than Vickers getting crushed by a giant horseshoe.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 06, 2019, 05:30:14 PM
Remember when we were all excited that Ridley Scott was coming back to Alien?

Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 06, 2019, 05:33:39 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 06, 2019, 05:30:14 PM
Remember when we were all excited that Ridley Scott was coming back to Alien?

Such a naive fool I was.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 06, 2019, 05:30:14 PM
Remember when we were all excited that Ridley Scott was coming back to Alien?

Quote from: Evanus on Aug 06, 2019, 09:39:07 PM
In the end I'm glad Ridley returned to Alien.

Hopefully he'll return once more. Before it's too late..

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 07, 2019, 03:45:36 AMThe movies were definitely intellectually stimulating which is something I want from my Aliens films.

• "Disney is also axing the majority of the existing Fox film development slate and refocusing output, after the studio posted a $170 million operating loss in Disney's fiscal third quarter.
  
  "While many industry insiders have speculated about the long-term survival of Fox as a standalone content engine — as Marvel, Lucasfilm and Pixar exist under Disney and its top-earning film and animation shops — Iger said he's assigned his top film lieutenants Alan Horn and Alan Bergman to apply the same "discipline and creative standards" to the division now run by Emma Watts. This means tossing the majority of projects in development, Iger said, taking the label "in a new direction, with an all new development slate that will focus on a select group of properties."
  
  "James Cameron's sequels to "Avatar" will proceed, as well as a continuation of the "Planet of the Apes" series (no new film in that series has been announced since the release of 2017's "War for the Planet of the Apes"). Iger also said indie label Fox Searchlight will continue on its current trajectory and also make movies for Disney Plus. Overall, Fox's film divisions will pare back the total number of releases, he said.
  
  https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-fox-xmen-marvel-studio-losses-1203294296/

Quote from: Fiendishly InventiveI think for the foreseeable viability of the Alien franchise's future, Disney requests the status quo again, to return the franchise to it's popular beginning qualities.

Ridley Scott's a big name, but perhaps future involvement  is in a directing or producing capacity only, with someone else helming the real purpose of the ship;
The Alien re-established as ancient again, the extinct SJ race established as existing previously to the nearly extinct Engineer race and David's creator status being retconned, Final Prequel film- all whilist creating a soft-reboot amalgamation of the first three films.

• "Sources say the 20th Century Fox silo could make 10 or more movies a year, with half or more headed directly for Disney's new streaming service or Hulu, now controlled by Disney."
  
  https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-sets-course-pared-down-20th-century-fox-170m-loss-1229848

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 07, 2019, 05:08:44 PM
It's a little sad that I'm not even bothered that Ridley's prequel series might have been cancelled.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 07, 2019, 05:29:26 PM
If and when we do get a new movie, it might not be even released in theaters, but rather Hulu and an international equivalent:

Quote from: Drukathi on Aug 07, 2019, 05:36:37 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 07, 2019, 05:29:26 PM
If and when we do get a new movie, it might not be even released in theaters, but rather Hulu and an international equivalent:

I doubt. Star Wars, Marvel - on the big screen. Why not Alien?

Quote from: Evanus on Aug 07, 2019, 04:52:05 PM
Honestly I think they'll just go for a soft reboot. New ship, new crew, original alien. Nothing about the origins.

Quote from: Still Collating... on Aug 07, 2019, 10:14:39 PM
Now this is why cliffhangers suck. Unless you're filming all of the films at the same time, in one go, you can never guarantee that you'll have the money to make the rest. So we get an unfinished story cause who gives a shit about respecting the audience that's actually watching this and wants the full story?

And wtf Disney? I already never cared for the Marvel movies much and I'm tired of superheros altogether. When the money is the only focus, there's no more room for creativity and art. Without risks, no art. If they really tighten things as much as we feared, things will get so bland. There'll be less movies for me it seems.
If they really plan on ignoring Alien and Predator, give it to someone else. Give them tv shows and let people there try a new approach. I'm much more excited for and satisfied by shows than movies anymore.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2019, 10:24:39 PM
They should hire ADF to finish the story in novel form.

Quote from: Evanus on Aug 07, 2019, 11:12:05 PM
They should just make the third film, with a good script and clear vision, that's what they should do!

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2019, 10:24:39 PM
They should hire ADF to finish the story in novel form.

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 07, 2019, 11:54:47 PM
Yes. I've said this before.

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 07, 2019, 11:54:47 PM

Quote from: Evanus on Aug 07, 2019, 11:12:05 PM
They should just make the third film, with a good script and clear vision, that's what they should do!

But that's asking too much.

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 08, 2019, 01:04:34 AM
I think Predator is done for a long while.

After the mess that was made of the last one, I don't believe casuals are going to bother seeing another until it's far out of mind. If the interest isn't there, then the money isn't there, and neither is Disney.

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 08, 2019, 01:04:34 AM
I think Predator is done for a long while.

After the mess that was made of the last one, I don't believe casuals are going to bother seeing another until it's far out of mind. If the interest isn't there, then the money isn't there, and neither is Disney.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2019, 01:10:20 AM
Anyone else see the rumors about the Disney+/ESPN+/Hulu package being only $12.99?  If it's true, they've already got me.

Honestly, anything that gets featured on a streaming juggernaut like that will probably get more eyeballs than most theatrically released films.

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 08, 2019, 01:04:34 AM
I think Predator is done for a long while.

After the mess that was made of the last one, I don't believe casuals are going to bother seeing another until it's far out of mind. If the interest isn't there, then the money isn't there, and neither is Disney.

QuoteThese films don't cost that much to make. You throw a few million into it and you come back with a decent haul.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 08, 2019, 01:47:14 AM

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 08, 2019, 01:04:34 AM
I think Predator is done for a long while.

After the mess that was made of the last one, I don't believe casuals are going to bother seeing another until it's far out of mind. If the interest isn't there, then the money isn't there, and neither is Disney.

Boy, for one who doesn't seem like a big Predator fan nor participates in most of the Predator threads, The Predator is really stuck in your competition craw Huggsy. :)

I think The Predator is so forgettable and shallow it's already forgotten, more than Covenant, and both did extremely poor in blockbuster terms in the US... 51 and 74 Million respectively.  But these proven commodities on the smaller screen with good writing and smaller budgets, Hulu might just be what the doctor ordered for both of these franchises! Unless Arnold or Sigourney return ala Terminator & Halloween and broaden the project's potential audience.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 08, 2019, 01:47:14 AM
Anyone else see the rumors about the Disney+/ESPN+/Hulu package being only $12.99?  If it's true, they've already got me.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 08, 2019, 12:13:22 AM
I'm sticking to my prediction.
The Final Prequel's on it's way, Directed by Ridley Scott, but really Directed by Disney.

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 08, 2019, 01:41:01 AM
I don't personally see another Predator film hitting theaters for at least 8-10 years.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 08, 2019, 04:02:28 AM
It's hard reboot all the way IF Disney retains ownership.




I'm telling ya.


Disney don't want none of that experimental noomi killer david.

Quote from: SM on Aug 08, 2019, 04:04:27 AM
If they go reboot I reckon they'll retain the first two.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 08, 2019, 03:54:04 AM
soft reboot after the final prequel, yes.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2019, 10:24:39 PM
They should hire ADF to finish the story in novel form.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 08, 2019, 01:04:23 PM
No, reboot it. Don't go in for a reboot if all we're going to do is ask how it fits into the timeline.
We don't do anything with Resurrection, Predator is the only one that acknowledged the crossover, and we've got nothing to indicate the Prequels will wrap up. What's the point if Ripley's story is complete (twice over) in the first place? And then you got the story avenues which are either dead or based off existing characters that we brought back yet choose not to use which creates narrative dead ends.

Reboot it. Start over with a new cast and characters and when able to stand on its own, then you can add stuff back in.

Quote from: iain on Aug 08, 2019, 05:10:03 PM
Could this mean the end of the franchise?

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 08, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
It requires finishing.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 08, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
It requires finishing.

Quote from: Evanus on Aug 08, 2019, 09:43:03 PM

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 08, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
It requires finishing.

(https://i.imgur.com/G4rmUzF.png)

Quote from: David's Creation on Aug 08, 2019, 10:29:14 PM
Honestly, at this point, I'd accept finishing in the EU.  I'd even accept Ridley announcing where he was planning to take everything in an interview so we at least have a general idea of what happened between Covenant and Alien.

I just want a little closure and I'm lowering my expectations.

Quote from: David's Creation on Aug 08, 2019, 10:29:14 PM
I'd even accept Ridley announcing where he was planning to take everything in an interview so we at least have a general idea of what happened between Covenant and Alien.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 09, 2019, 01:44:37 AM
I think Disney's the one
deciding now.

Quote from: Stitch on Aug 09, 2019, 12:17:22 PM
I think Alien and Predator are just not in Disney's wheelhouse. They're never going to make Marvel money, and so they'll never get the budget they need, if they ever get a future at all.

I think they'll just sell the franchises. Maybe to Blumhouse.

Quote from: Stitch on Aug 09, 2019, 12:17:22 PM
I think Alien and Predator are just not in Disney's wheelhouse. They're never going to make Marvel money, and so they'll never get the budget they need, if they ever get a future at all.

I think they'll just sell the franchises. Maybe to Blumhouse.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 07, 2019, 07:33:44 PM
Life was a far better Alien movie than any of Ridley's prequels if you ask me.

Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 09, 2019, 08:47:34 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 07, 2019, 07:33:44 PM
Life was a far better Alien movie than any of Ridley's prequels if you ask me.

Life is better than Prometheus and Covenant as alien movie but is worse as a movie in general.

Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 09, 2019, 08:47:34 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 07, 2019, 07:33:44 PM
Life was a far better Alien movie than any of Ridley's prequels if you ask me.

Life is better than Prometheus and Covenant as alien movie

Quote from: Evanus on Aug 09, 2019, 10:15:02 PM
it was scarier/more suspenseful.

Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 09, 2019, 09:06:12 PM
Response full of intelligent arguments :)

Quote from: Stitch on Aug 09, 2019, 12:17:22 PM
I think Alien and Predator are just not in Disney's wheelhouse. They're never going to make Marvel money, and so they'll never get the budget they need, if they ever get a future at all.

I think they'll just sell the franchises. Maybe to Blumhouse.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2019, 12:41:24 AM
That would be the dream solution.  Come on Jim, show Riddles how it's done.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 12, 2019, 12:36:51 AM
Is it remotely possible Scott Free could purchase the rights to the Aliens ( :P) series and just run it himself?  Nah...

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 12, 2019, 12:36:51 AM
Is it remotely possible Scott Free could purchase the rights to the Aliens ( :P) series and just run it himself?  Nah...

Quote from: Evanus on Aug 11, 2019, 11:10:14 PM
That one's a bit of a puzzle, yeah. Still, it seems legit. Doubt someone would go through all this trouble just to troll some people. But you never know  :D

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 12, 2019, 03:22:37 PM
I think the franchise
is yet being controlled by Emma Watts? Yes?
Someone very enthusiastic about another Ridley Scott Prequel.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 13, 2019, 04:58:58 PM
I'm not sure physical media will go anywhere until they actually start allowing streaming packages that include special features. As far as I'm aware, none of the bonus stuff on the Anthology is available outside of the Blu-ray discs, and there's definitely people who want that stuff.

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 13, 2019, 09:21:22 PM
The best we can get out here is 10 gigs per month. The speed is too slow to hardly load a 3 minute youtube video in 20 minutes. If you go past 10 gigs, the signal gets hard throttled to the point of uselessness for the remainder of the month. It's going to be this way for the foreseeable future.

And you wonder why I'm a physical media man.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 14, 2019, 01:52:45 AM
Didn't SOLO cost Disney a cool 100 million?

QuoteDisney To Reboot Alien Franchise, Ridley Scott May Produce

The Alien franchise is in a mess. Despite being some of the best science fiction horror films of all-time and featuring an all-time iconic movie monster, the series' mythology has disappeared up its own arse. The rot arguably began way back in 1992's Alien 3, with each subsequent film getting a little worse. Then came Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, which threw in a load of confusing and portentous pseudo-philosophy into the creature's origin story. Audiences were nonplussed, resulting in Covenant flopping and the franchise being on ice ever since.

Now, Disney having purchased the Alien IP as part of their merger with Fox, plans to perform an Alien resurrection. We're hearing from our sources – the same ones who revealed that an Aladdin sequel was happening, which was confirmed this week – that they're poised to reboot several high profile franchises that they acquired in the Fox deal, with Alien being the biggest.

So, what could this new version of the property consist of? Well, the obvious route would be to start off with the basics and do a loose remake of 1979's Alien. Thing is, that film is such a classic and its excellent production design and practical effects mean it hasn't aged poorly. Perhaps the best thing to do then might be to pull the same trick that Blumhouse did with Halloween and make a sequel to the first film that discounts everything that followed.

It's a tactic that lets Disney claim they're respecting the history of the franchise while giving them a blank sheet to go forward with. Plus, they'd still have Ellen Ripley floating around in cryosleep somewhere in-universe.

One thing we've also heard is that Ridley Scott may oversee the reboot as a producer. After his last two Alien movies, Disney might have cold feet about giving him much input into the script and plotting, but Scott's a master of production design and atmosphere. We also know that Disney isn't planning to sand the edges off the franchise, with CEO Bob Iger committed to maintaining an R-rating.

Quote
Now, Disney having purchased the Alien IP as part of their merger with Fox, plans to perform an Alien resurrection.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 14, 2019, 04:06:45 PM
Definitely sounds like something I'll be taking with a pinch of salt.

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 14, 2019, 04:20:11 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 14, 2019, 04:06:45 PM
Definitely sounds like something I'll be taking with a pinch of salt.

I'd say a single solitary grain is more like it.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 14, 2019, 07:35:24 PM
Err, yeah, the whole reboot sounds on the money to me unfortunately, underline money.

I don't think Disnox wants a to make a profitable film. They want to make a profitable franchise. And building off the threads of Alien3, Alien Resurrection or Alien Covenant won't be the path to do it. A young starlet and a new direction likely will.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 14, 2019, 08:34:01 PM

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 14, 2019, 04:20:11 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 14, 2019, 04:06:45 PM
Definitely sounds like something I'll be taking with a pinch of salt.

I'd say a single solitary grain is more like it.

Are you saying you mostly believe it but want to reserve the possibility of it being bullshit?

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 15, 2019, 01:00:06 AM
I don't think you'd even need to reboot wholesale with the franchise, jumping to a different character works since Ripley's story is over by the end of Aliens. If you just consider Alien to Aliens it's workable since you can always have a clutch of eggs pop up in another spot.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 15, 2019, 01:16:58 AM
If they reboot it they will go their own way.


Disney would see Alien and be like muddaf**kas, think of it with todays SFX and budgets, it'd be legit 1000x more scary.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 15, 2019, 01:27:08 AM

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 15, 2019, 01:00:06 AM
I don't think you'd even need to reboot wholesale with the franchise, jumping to a different character works since Ripley's story is over by the end of Aliens. If you just consider Alien to Aliens it's workable since you can always have a clutch of eggs pop up in another spot.

You really believe, in your heart of hearts that this is what people will come out in droves to see?

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 15, 2019, 01:28:41 AMI don't think people will come out in droves for an Alien movie ever again.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2019, 02:41:03 AM

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 15, 2019, 01:28:41 AMI don't think people will come out in droves for an Alien movie ever again.

Maybe if Cameron directed a sequel chock full of nostalgia from Aliens...

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 15, 2019, 01:37:36 AM
They could still go with practical effects for the Alien, but all the space shots and shit could be cgi.


Full ninja alien hopping around would be lame, even with big budget disney money.

Quote from: David's Creation on Aug 15, 2019, 03:12:39 AM
Mr. H gave his assessment.

In short: His sources claim nothing is currently happening with the franchise at all, so he thinks this is just made-up clickbait.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 15, 2019, 05:20:43 AM
I don't agree, you've got the fall of David- the A.I's hubris, the Engineer's last people's retribution and the real Space Jockey to explore if you choose.

If you don't finish the prequel series with a certified good entry, it's a permanent damaged dead end mark upon the franchise.
And a wasted opportunity.

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 15, 2019, 04:35:34 AM
I think Covenant wrapped up the prequels quite well.

David eliminated all loose ends, destroyed the engineers, created the Alien, escaped purgatory, has his own ship complete with materials necessary to colonize his own world. He won and got everything. He's master of his own destiny, escaping into the vastness of space to commit unknown horrors.

I can live with that ending.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 15, 2019, 09:25:49 PM
Yeah, agreed honestly, apart from TCF, Isolation, David's Drawings and the BTS stuff.

Quote from: irn on Aug 15, 2019, 09:03:32 PM
I'm happy if they do a sequel to follow on from Covenant or Alien 3 but if they reboot it then I am done with this franchise. I'll just take the first three films and ignore anything to do with them has ever happened since.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 15, 2019, 09:55:40 PM
You're probably right, but I hope you're wrong.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 15, 2019, 10:11:48 PM

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 15, 2019, 09:55:40 PM
You're probably right, but I hope you're wrong.

Just play the RPG, Disney can't dictate to you in

Spoiler

Imagination Land.

[close]

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2019, 09:29:26 PM

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 15, 2019, 09:25:49 PM
Yeah, agreed honestly, apart from TCF, Isolation, David's Drawings and the BTS stuff.

Don't be surprised if all of that ends up in the dustbin of apocrypha just like the old Star Wars EU did.

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 15, 2019, 11:39:41 PM
Them prequels, they are dead mahn. Truly...Dead.

Quote from: irn on Aug 15, 2019, 09:03:32 PM
I'm happy if they do a sequel to follow on from Covenant or Alien 3 but if they reboot it then I am done with this franchise. I'll just take the first three films and ignore anything to do with them has ever happened since.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 15, 2019, 05:20:43 AM
I don't agree, you've got the fall of David- the A.I's hubris, the Engineer's last people's retribution and the real Space Jockey to explore if you choose.

If you don't finish the prequel series with a certified good entry, it's a permanent damaged dead end mark upon the franchise.
And a wasted opportunity.

Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 15, 2019, 03:19:58 PM

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 15, 2019, 04:35:34 AM
I think Covenant wrapped up the prequels quite well.

David eliminated all loose ends, destroyed the engineers, created the Alien, escaped purgatory, has his own ship complete with materials necessary to colonize his own world. He won and got everything. He's master of his own destiny, escaping into the vastness of space to commit unknown horrors.

I can live with that ending.

I have to disagree. Ending the prequels where it left off is so chock full of open ends, it serves to hurt the franchise in some ways. People need a clearer understanding of the link between the prequels and the original franchise. If you watch the film in consecutive order, then you will just be waiting for that storyline to return.
The obvious next chapter is David trying to perfect the creature only to have them turn on him.
I think there may be a way to tell that story with some sort of reboot, but I also wouldnt put it past disney to just ignore it at this point.
This is just another reason why a series is best suited to fix this franchise. If Disney puts the money up the way they have been for a good Alien series, there are lots of avenues to explore.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 03:26:42 AM
It's not unfortunately. 

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 16, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
As I said before, I honestly don't think I'd care if they never finish Ridley's prequel series. Both individually and collectively, the two films feel like the messy result of a confused, directionless development process - you can really tell from watching them that the goalposts kept moving throughout both productions, to the detriment of the final product, and I'm not convinced anyone has any real idea where it's supposed to be going next. I don't enjoy either movie and at this point I couldn't really care less what David gets up to down the line.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 16, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Ideally, I'd rather they just did some new, unconnected Alien stories set in the same universe.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 16, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Ideally, I'd rather they just did some new, unconnected Alien stories set in the same universe.

Quote from: irn on Aug 16, 2019, 10:36:29 AM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 16, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Ideally, I'd rather they just did some new, unconnected Alien stories set in the same universe.

Absolutely this!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 16, 2019, 10:41:26 AMAnd before "but Prometheus" comments - it not having Aliens in wasn't Prometheus' problem.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 11:04:14 AM
#teamreboot




The time of crazy ass ideas ARE OVER, let the new era begin.

Quote from: Evanus on Aug 16, 2019, 01:08:32 PM
It'd be such a shame if they left it unfinished. I get that a lot of people don't like the prequels, but I feel like they should just try one last time. I'm sure they can find a satisfying story to tell while respecting the previous entries.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 16, 2019, 05:04:03 PM
Under Disney? I doubt it. Unless it intentionally establishes one new aspect, for set-up of their cinematic universe. A workaround for AR.

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 16, 2019, 05:04:03 PM
Under Disney? I doubt it. Unless it intentionally establishes one new aspect, for set-up of their cinematic universe.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 04:46:27 PM
The problem is this guy going to make a finale and ask as many questions as he answers.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 11:55:26 PM
There is going to be nothing to embrace because there isn't going to be a third prequel.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 11:55:26 PM
There is going to be nothing to embrace because there isn't going to be a third prequel.


You gotta make money mang.  Law of diminishing returns. 

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 11:55:26 PM
There is going to be nothing to embrace because there isn't going to be a third prequel.


You gotta make money mang.  Law of diminishing returns.

Quote from: SM on Aug 17, 2019, 01:27:41 AM

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 11:55:26 PM
There is going to be nothing to embrace because there isn't going to be a third prequel.


You gotta make money mang.  Law of diminishing returns.

They made money.

Quote from: SM on Aug 17, 2019, 01:27:41 AM

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 11:55:26 PM
There is going to be nothing to embrace because there isn't going to be a third prequel.


You gotta make money mang.  Law of diminishing returns.

They made money.

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 17, 2019, 06:55:54 PM
Prometheus did well because some people were still expecting an alien movie

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 17, 2019, 01:28:22 AM
Indeed- and again, to create profit you create value first and foremost, a complete Prequel Trilogy with the last entry being genuinely good and the original Alien Trilogy (+Resurrection) together is more valuable than a complete reboot, and it's an opportunity to set up the inevitable soft reboot. The Prequel series ending is imminent, the form though is all that's up for debate, I guarantee it.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 18, 2019, 08:38:28 PM
I can't lie to you about your chances, but you have my sympathies.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 18, 2019, 08:43:17 PM

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 18, 2019, 08:38:28 PM
I can't lie to you about your chances, but you have my sympathies.

She is pulling the plug now Ash.

Quote from: Evanus on Aug 19, 2019, 12:31:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Gw0vboF.png)

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 19, 2019, 02:10:00 AM
the fact that there is even a #teamprequel infesting the boards

SAD

Quote from: Dingbat on Aug 19, 2019, 08:24:04 AM
I thought he was making a sarcastic trump joke with the "SAD" part,

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 19, 2019, 09:37:55 AM

Quote from: Dingbat on Aug 19, 2019, 08:24:04 AM
I thought he was making a sarcastic trump joke with the "SAD" part,

If that is the case, I do apologize. But it reads as very antagonistic.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 19, 2019, 02:33:43 AM
They should do the proper sequel to Aliens next with Ripley, Hicks and Newt for the big payoff that the masses have been hoping for for 30 years.  Then tie it in to another Scott prequel.  The prequel series must be completed regardless.  It would be unthinkable otherwise.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 19, 2019, 05:31:23 PM
Any chance to continue Shaw's adventures and see her possibly get the answers to her questions has already unceremoniously died without trace.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 19, 2019, 05:35:44 PM
Shower scene (and most of the third act stuff on the Covenant) was sloppy/rushed. David's antics on the planet, however, were an exceptional high point for me.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 19, 2019, 05:35:44 PM
Shower scene (and most of the third act stuff on the Covenant) was sloppy/rushed.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2019, 12:34:57 AM
Ridley ain't getting any younger.

Quote from: razeak on Aug 19, 2019, 01:02:50 AM
Star Wars had one flop and got other projects pulled.

Alien has never made that kind of money, so I would anticipate even less tolerance.

Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 19, 2019, 08:44:13 PM
Alien will never make as much money as SW.

Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 19, 2019, 08:44:13 PM

Quote from: razeak on Aug 19, 2019, 01:02:50 AM
Star Wars had one flop and got other projects pulled.

Alien has never made that kind of money, so I would anticipate even less tolerance.

Two different franchises. Comparisons are unnecessary as SW is PG space opera when Alien is R-rated sci-fi horror (or at least supposed to be). Alien will never make as much money as SW.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 19, 2019, 08:41:59 PM
Never said those two did.

Quote from: SM on Aug 19, 2019, 10:27:08 PM

Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 19, 2019, 08:41:59 PM
Never said those two did.

Then why link two unrelated events?

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 19, 2019, 05:31:23 PM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 19, 2019, 02:33:43 AM
They should do the proper sequel to Aliens next with Ripley, Hicks and Newt for the big payoff that the masses have been hoping for for 30 years.  Then tie it in to another Scott prequel.  The prequel series must be completed regardless.  It would be unthinkable otherwise.

To all intents and purposes, it is completed. Any chance to continue Shaw's adventures and see her possibly get the answers to her questions has already unceremoniously died without trace. David 8 will go crazy with genetic abominations in the distant colony and somehow all of that will get wiped out of existence, sure, but I'm not sure watching 'Resident Evil: Alien' is something we need (especially as Scott wasn't even able to make the 'Covenant' shower scene anything other than generic, scare-wise).

And if we never see David 8 having any reason to know about or travel over to LV-426, that's fine with me.

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 19, 2019, 05:42:41 PMEverything up until David started his antics at the temple was good, in my opinion.

Once it became an endless trudge of people just sitting around a fire while david goes off to wax philosophical, the movie just went right downhill for me. It's all together to slow and sloppy, from that point on. The only acorn in the midst of it all was when david was explaining his work to Oram in the Lab.

The movie had potential, but there's a change midway through that it just doesn't recover from.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 20, 2019, 07:49:34 AM

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 19, 2019, 05:42:41 PMEverything up until David started his antics at the temple was good, in my opinion.

Once it became an endless trudge of people just sitting around a fire while david goes off to wax philosophical, the movie just went right downhill for me. It's all together to slow and sloppy, from that point on. The only acorn in the midst of it all was when david was explaining his work to Oram in the Lab.

The movie had potential, but there's a change midway through that it just doesn't recover from.

This is basically exactly how I feel about it. Quite like the start, but once David arrives it really tanks, and that's despite Fassbender's David being the one thing I genuinely loved in the previous movie.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 20, 2019, 03:23:24 AM
I actually would've liked it better had the security team not been around and the movie focused on the couples actually pulling their own security. 


Kind of sorta happens anyways, but taking out the five or six extra characters and focusing more on the couples would've made their deaths less Weirzbowski and Crowe I reckon. 

Quote from: JokersWarPig on Aug 20, 2019, 12:15:43 PM
IMO the movies biggest mistake has been its focus on AI rather than the Alien. I mean...the movie has Alien in the title after all, so why is all the focus being put on what is essentially a robot with daddy issues?

Quote from: SM on Aug 20, 2019, 12:22:54 PM
'Cos it's bit more interesting than just a monster running around eating people.

Quote from: SM on Aug 20, 2019, 12:22:54 PM
'Cos it's bit more interesting than just a monster running around eating people.

Quote from: Evanus on Aug 20, 2019, 12:56:21 PM
I think it helps make things interesting, but.. we also need things to be exciting. And I feel like the way the alien was handled in Covenant wasn't very exciting.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 20, 2019, 05:51:42 PM
They also didn't seem to be into anything but killing. No capturing, no attempt at establishing a hive. Just normal monster movie behavior for that gore.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 20, 2019, 05:51:42 PM
They also didn't seem to be into anything but killing. No capturing, no attempt at establishing a hive. Just normal monster movie behavior for that gore.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2019, 07:57:35 PM
Maybe it was just the best simulacrum of the true Alien that David could manage.  ;D

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 20, 2019, 07:52:41 PM
Don't read it literally. It was a way of saying that they did a mediocre job with the Alien, to the point that there is no improvement compared to the Neomorph. In fact they behave similarly. And yet the Neomorph wins, since black goo motes & egg sacks  are more effective than ovomorphs & facehuggers.

Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2019, 12:37:58 AM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 20, 2019, 07:52:41 PM
Don't read it literally. It was a way of saying that they did a mediocre job with the Alien, to the point that there is no improvement compared to the Neomorph. In fact they behave similarly. And yet the Neomorph wins, since black goo motes & egg sacks  are more effective than ovomorphs & facehuggers.

Aliens fare better against bullets.  I daresay they'd fare better in space too.

Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2019, 11:48:20 AM
Spores seems to act faster too and therefore much harder to counter.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 21, 2019, 07:11:01 PM
LET'S BE HONEST, spores just straight ripped from Gibson my nugs.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 21, 2019, 07:11:01 PM
LET'S BE HONEST, spores just straight ripped from Gibson my nugs.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 21, 2019, 07:11:01 PM
LET'S BE HONEST, spores just straight ripped from Gibson my nugs.

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I wonder, because the spores act much faster, the neomorph pays the price by being much weaker than the protomorph, which in turn is weaker than the xenomorph because the gestation period is sped up.

Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Aug 21, 2019, 08:17:37 PM

Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2019, 11:48:20 AM
Spores seems to act faster too and therefore much harder to counter.

I wonder, because the spores act much faster, the neomorph pays the price by being much weaker than the protomorph, which in turn is weaker than the xenomorph because the gestation period is sped up.  When I first saw Covenant I was annoyed that David had seemingly created a more effective way of infecting someone, but after some time I realised that his creation suffered because of the way the organism was implanted

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 22, 2019, 08:03:42 AM
I've been thinking lately that perhaps the Neo's also follow that original intent for the Alien, in that it dies off fast too. That'd make a pretty effective tool for cleaning out a planet. They kill everything, then die out themselves which takes no clean-up on the part of the Engineers.

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Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Aug 21, 2019, 08:17:37 PM

Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2019, 11:48:20 AM
Spores seems to act faster too and therefore much harder to counter.

I wonder, because the spores act much faster, the neomorph pays the price by being much weaker than the protomorph, which in turn is weaker than the xenomorph because the gestation period is sped up.  When I first saw Covenant I was annoyed that David had seemingly created a more effective way of infecting someone, but after some time I realised that his creation suffered because of the way the organism was implanted

I've been thinking lately that perhaps the Neo's also follow that original intent for the Alien, in that it dies off fast too. That'd make a pretty effective tool for cleaning out a planet. They kill everything, then die out themselves which takes no clean-up on the part of the Engineers.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Aug 23, 2019, 04:26:12 AM
With that being the case, couldn't another studio rent Alien from Disney?

Quote from: irn on Aug 23, 2019, 04:25:14 PMI suppose they could, but it might be a cost issue. Relatively speaking, the Alien films haven't been big budget productions. So if leasing the rights was say $20 million, then that would take up a huge chunk of the budget. I have no idea how much it would cost of course. It might be way less than that.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Aug 24, 2019, 03:45:14 AM
The renting fee doesn't have to be high. Could easily be a few million or a small percentage of the profits.
Disney's about money, and a low amount of money is still better than no money at all.
Especially when they don't have to do anything for it and aren't the ones at risk making a loss.

Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 24, 2019, 10:52:27 AM
If they don't use the license themselves, they will probably just sit on it for a while.

Every theater room where a competitor made Alien movie runs, is one less where a Disney heavyweight could run.

Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 03:57:49 PMThe Scott's Alien prequel series should be aborted and forgotten just like the Star Wars prequels were. Alien reboot movie and/or TV series please :)

I really hope Disney picks up Blomkamp's project; Weaver nostalgia could renew interest in the franchise and then pick up from there with new stories (like Cameron's trying to do with the Terminator Whatever new film).

Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 04:48:11 PM
A Covenant sequel won't bring any new fans into the franchise, I can make you sure that.

Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 24, 2019, 04:52:49 PM

Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 04:48:11 PM
A Covenant sequel won't bring any new fans into the franchise, I can make you sure that.

Neither will reviving characters from 30 years ago.

Not trying to hold on to past glories and do a new thing that can stand on it's own feet would be the best for reviving the franchise IMO.

Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 06:34:24 PM

Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 24, 2019, 04:52:49 PM

Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 04:48:11 PM
A Covenant sequel won't bring any new fans into the franchise, I can make you sure that.

Neither will reviving characters from 30 years ago.

Not trying to hold on to past glories and do a new thing that can stand on it's own feet would be the best for reviving the franchise IMO.

Tell that to Disney and the $5 billions their movies have made this year so far by remaking properties like Aladdin and Lion King.

Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 06:34:24 PM
For most people, the Alien series ended with Ripley, the AVP and Prometheus stuff was not of their interest. I think the best BUSINESS idea is a 'back to the roots' nostalgia retcon-y sequel with the original characters everybody loved, and then use that momentum to move forward with new stories after that. Same thing Cameron (aka 'box office king') is trying to do with Terminator.

Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 24, 2019, 06:44:41 PMSurely there is a difference between mass entertainment movies for kids and bringing back 70 year old Sigourney Weaver for a character that is currently dead and has not been nonestop marketed to the relevant audience for decades like the former.  ;)

Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 06:34:24 PMI doubt the characters have that kind of draw. Not after beeing away so long from the public eye and especially not as a tool to bring in new fans.

We will see how Terminator will turn out, but my money is on not great.

Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 07:08:09 PM

Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 24, 2019, 06:44:41 PMSurely there is a difference between mass entertainment movies for kids and bringing back 70 year old Sigourney Weaver for a character that is currently dead and has not been nonestop marketed to the relevant audience for decades like the former.  ;)

Most of the audience for Aladdin and Lion King was not comprised of kids. It was mostly young people (not children) and adults for nostalgia reasons.

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Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 06:34:24 PMI doubt the characters have that kind of draw. Not after beeing away so long from the public eye and especially not as a tool to bring in new fans.

We will see how Terminator will turn out, but my money is on not great.

You can bring back Weaver or reboot and find a new Ripley. But I really think a return to the roots and characters people love is what the franchise comercially needs in this moment to be revitalized.

Quote from: razeak on Aug 24, 2019, 10:09:45 PM
Investors don't necessarily see "some profit is better than no proft" as something to invest in. It has to reach a threshold. They may then their nose up at say a 5 million dollar profit when considering the next entry in a series.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 24, 2019, 10:03:18 PMThat said, I don't want to see that kind of soft reboot.  If you do a partial reboot you have sigourney for maybe five more years?  Then what?

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Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 24, 2019, 10:03:18 PMThat said, I don't want to see that kind of soft reboot.  If you do a partial reboot you have sigourney for maybe five more years?  Then what?

Doing the same they did with Nimoy in Star Trek reboot: having her around in a couple movies while introducing a new cast of characters, then the goodbye maybe or feature her in a cameo.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 25, 2019, 05:59:41 AM
Isn't the new Trek series on one of those indefinite holds.



Aka cancelled?

Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 25, 2019, 12:38:56 PM
I don't think Halloween and Star Wars are good comparisons for Alien or Predator.

Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 25, 2019, 12:38:56 PM
Genisys has Arnold.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 25, 2019, 05:59:41 AMThere is NO WAY Disney would be happy with a five million dollar profit.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 21, 2019, 11:46:17 PM
Gibson got you by a few decades unless there is some reference I'm not getting

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 27, 2019, 02:24:40 AM
I'm picking up what your laying down. 

Quote from: Evanus on Aug 30, 2019, 08:12:07 PM
Yeah, they would release it on disc for sure, don't know how long it usually takes though.. So I'd be pretty annoyed if they do something new on Hulu, since I'd have to wait.

Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Aug 30, 2019, 08:18:19 PM

Quote from: Evanus on Aug 30, 2019, 08:12:07 PM
Yeah, they would release it on disc for sure, don't know how long it usually takes though.. So I'd be pretty annoyed if they do something new on Hulu, since I'd have to wait.

With Netflix it's about a year after the original release, usually around the time the second season becomes available for streaming.
And if you don't like waiting you can always download.

Quote from: David's Creation on Aug 30, 2019, 06:08:02 PM
Some streaming shows get physical releases.  Some don't.

Alien's a big enough IP.  I'd be surprised if an Alien Hulu show didn't get a physical release.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2019, 07:48:33 AM
Do what I keep meaning to do...make your own DVD and fancy menu with 'em on!

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 31, 2019, 03:28:16 AM
I hate not having physical copies because I know that streaming can be unreliable as shit depending on where you are at, or you purchase your streaming service through. 

I still haven't watched all the Alien shorts because I'm not watching Alien on a computer and not a big screen tv.

Quote from: Dingbat on Sep 01, 2019, 01:01:52 PM
Recently in the predator part of the forum, someone said that Wegotthiscovered claimed that Disney was rebooting the predator franchise, apparently this is not the case.

Today on Facebook I heard that Wegotthiscovered now claims that Disney wil reboot the Alien franchise with Ridley Scott possibly producing, can anyone confirm whether this is true or not?

Quote from: Huggs on Aug 31, 2019, 02:56:19 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2019, 07:48:33 AM
Do what I keep meaning to do...make your own DVD and fancy menu with 'em on!

There are many ways. They look gorgeous on a big screen hdtv at night, I'll say that.  ;)

Quote from: Dingbat on Sep 01, 2019, 01:01:52 PM
Recently in the predator part of the forum, someone said that Wegotthiscovered claimed that Disney was rebooting the predator franchise, apparently this is not the case.

Today on Facebook I heard that Wegotthiscovered now claims that Disney wil reboot the Alien franchise with Ridley Scott possibly producing, can anyone confirm whether this is true or not?

Quote from: Huggs on Sep 02, 2019, 05:54:13 PM
I guess all we can do is hope they're included as extras on a future movie or tv show Blu-ray.

Should we be so lucky.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 02, 2019, 05:59:42 PM

die hard Alien fans

Quote from: Huggs on Sep 02, 2019, 06:12:23 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 02, 2019, 05:59:42 PM

die hard Alien fans

John McClane crossover. "Come up to Gateway, we'll have a few laughs"

Next will be a predator 2/die hard crossover. Nakatomi tower's about to get a nice red paint job.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2019, 07:48:33 AMDo what I keep meaning to do...make your own DVD and fancy menu with 'em on!

Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 03, 2019, 12:48:56 AM
I mean, even porn is a disappointment where I'm at.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 20, 2019, 12:38:37 PM
So then is the Xenomorph, as Ridley says, overcooked?

Quote from: SM on Sep 08, 2019, 10:47:14 PMIt also didn't sell that well.

Quote from: Still Collating... on Sep 09, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
It was expensive to make and that type of game doesn't work well in today's AAA gaming industry. And it has been gaining more and more appreciation from the public, slowly but surely over the years. Just look at how it's very much still alive on Twitch.

Quote from: Still Collating... on Sep 09, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
It was expensive to make and that type of game doesn't work well in today's AAA gaming industry. And it has been gaining more and more appreciation from the public, slowly but surely over the years. Just look at how it's very much still alive on Twitch.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 10, 2019, 07:04:51 PM
In my personal view, the lack of a playable Alien campaign was what majorly hurt the sales. Casual gamers generally don't want to feel constantly victimised. They want an empowerment escapism fantasy after the frustrations of their day. It's a formula which might work for something with a much smaller budget, but they needed something more for a product with relatively high development costs. The people who do want to shell out for that are just not going to be enough.

QuoteIn my personal view, the lack of a playable Alien campaign was what majorly hurt the sales.

Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
All entirely possible.  However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AM

Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
All entirely possible.  However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.

I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.

Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2019, 08:31:36 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AM

Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
All entirely possible.  However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.

I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.

It's effective because it copied the first film.  If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.

Sales is just an aside.

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Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2019, 08:31:36 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AM

Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
All entirely possible.  However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.

I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.

It's effective because it copied the first film.  If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.

Sales is just an aside.

Isolation is effective because of its atmosphere, tension, and presentation which are traits that it obviously shares with the original film; but this same combination is missing from the prequels. Sure the presentation is there but there's very little tension and the atmosphere isn't exactly consistent with the previous films. Isolation showcased what works with the franchise and therefore is absolutely relevant to "the beast is cooked" argument, let alone that it made the alien scary again. It's one of the few entries that the fandom can actually agree on favorably unlike Ridley's last two entries.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2019, 02:20:53 AM
Isolation also wasn't scary.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2019, 02:20:53 AM
The Alien sequences were annoying AF.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2019, 02:25:57 AM
Maybe the first encounter with the Alien where it kills dude and your trying to board the tram had me feeling slightly apprehensive, but once I actually encountered the Alien and it was stomping around and shit I felt it lose absolutely ALL of its tension and was annoyed whenever it showed up.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 13, 2019, 02:37:31 AM
There is the easy difficulty.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 13, 2019, 02:37:31 AM
There is the easy difficulty.

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AM

Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
All entirely possible.  However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.

I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.

It's effective because it copied the first film.  If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.

Sales is just an aside.

Isolation is effective because of its atmosphere, tension, and presentation which are traits that it obviously shares with the original film; but this same combination is missing from the prequels. Sure the presentation is there but there's very little tension and the atmosphere isn't exactly consistent with the previous films. Isolation showcased what works with the franchise and therefore is absolutely relevant to "the beast is cooked" argument, let alone that it made the alien scary again. It's one of the few entries that the fandom can actually agree on favorably unlike Ridley's last two entries.

Isolation was scary because it copied the first film.

I don't really agree with Riddles' 'beast if cooked' thing; but using a game that copied the movie that he made as an example has no merit.  I'll wait for when someone actually does something different and its scary as Alien.

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AM

Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
All entirely possible.  However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.

I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.

It's effective because it copied the first film.  If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.

Sales is just an aside.

Isolation is effective because of its atmosphere, tension, and presentation which are traits that it obviously shares with the original film; but this same combination is missing from the prequels. Sure the presentation is there but there's very little tension and the atmosphere isn't exactly consistent with the previous films. Isolation showcased what works with the franchise and therefore is absolutely relevant to "the beast is cooked" argument, let alone that it made the alien scary again. It's one of the few entries that the fandom can actually agree on favorably unlike Ridley's last two entries.

Isolation was scary because it copied the first film.

I don't really agree with Riddles' 'beast if cooked' thing; but using a game that copied the movie that he made as an example has no merit.  I'll wait for when someone actually does something different and its scary as Alien.

That's fair enough but I think "copied" is a bit of an exaggeration. There's a term in art school known as "repetition and variation" and it's how artists come to create a signature style. For example Giger's artwork uses many of the same elements, characters, shading etc. in his work but there's still variations in each piece to both distinguish the individual works while still remaining completely Giger-Esque. Aliens, A3, and Isolation are all examples of repetition and variation of the first film so I don't see any issue with it as long as it works (which in reality is the really tricky part).

Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2019, 10:48:06 PM
Now we need a game that copies the bait and chase stuff from Alien 3.

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AM

Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
All entirely possible.  However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.

I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.

It's effective because it copied the first film.  If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.

Sales is just an aside.

Isolation is effective because of its atmosphere, tension, and presentation which are traits that it obviously shares with the original film; but this same combination is missing from the prequels. Sure the presentation is there but there's very little tension and the atmosphere isn't exactly consistent with the previous films. Isolation showcased what works with the franchise and therefore is absolutely relevant to "the beast is cooked" argument, let alone that it made the alien scary again. It's one of the few entries that the fandom can actually agree on favorably unlike Ridley's last two entries.

Isolation was scary because it copied the first film.

I don't really agree with Riddles' 'beast if cooked' thing; but using a game that copied the movie that he made as an example has no merit.  I'll wait for when someone actually does something different and its scary as Alien.

That's fair enough but I think "copied" is a bit of an exaggeration. There's a term in art school known as "repetition and variation" and it's how artists come to create a signature style. For example Giger's artwork uses many of the same elements, characters, shading etc. in his work but there's still variations in each piece to both distinguish the individual works while still remaining completely Giger-Esque. Aliens, A3, and Isolation are all examples of repetition and variation of the first film so I don't see any issue with it as long as it works (which in reality is the really tricky part).

I thought it was a very deliberate copy, and that was part of the appeal after so many games focused on colonial marines.  It's the second half of Alien but on a space station and with more varied opportunities to take on the monster.  The station looks the same as the Nostromo, it's lit the same, the music has the same tone, the costumes are the same, etc.

QuoteI agree with what you're saying to an extent but the elements you've mentioned that are the same don't necessarily guarantee a successful entry.

Quote from: Dingbat on Sep 14, 2019, 02:10:50 PM
What I regret the most is thinking it wasn't on Xbox 360, only Xbox One;

Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2019, 06:51:30 AM
Fox should have had SM overseeing their interests at Gearbox during the development of ACM.

Quote from: razeak on Sep 15, 2019, 10:19:27 PM
I have no idea what SM looks like, but I can't help but envision the meetings over that game haha.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 15, 2019, 05:33:52 AM
Tell them to send you a PS4 with Isolation.

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Quote from: razeak on Sep 15, 2019, 10:19:27 PM
I have no idea what SM looks like, but I can't help but envision the meetings over that game haha.

He'd give Randy the willy wonka treatment.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2019, 12:24:12 AM
The downloadable version goes on sale fairly often.  I'll let you know when it does.

Quote from: razeak on Sep 18, 2019, 07:06:43 PM
The anticipation builds.......