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Author Topic: Ridley Scott sez "Prometheus 2 gets away from Gods and Dragons".  (Read 44511 times)

SpreadEagleBeagle
Nov 28, 2014, 08:44:07 PM
Reply #105 on: Nov 28, 2014, 08:44:07 PM
Of course they will screw it up in one way or another. But it would be refreshing to see something new. Extremely tired of Colonial Marines and Predator crossovers. Technically A:R left us with a grand opening to a new chapter in the Alien saga, but no one cares or knows what to do with it (...yet).


[cancerblack]
Nov 29, 2014, 01:36:48 AM
Reply #106 on: Nov 29, 2014, 01:36:48 AM
It needs to be a new form if that's really what he's going for. Yes, the Deacon isn't an Alien, but it was conceived in such a way that it was basically an Alien and the basic appearance is the same.

He needs to go for something completely out there - in much the same way as the original Alien was.

pls ridley




Corporal Hicks
Dec 01, 2014, 10:44:12 AM
Reply #108 on: Dec 01, 2014, 10:44:12 AM
That's exactly the kind of thing I'd love to see. Ridley did himself a disservice moving away from the biomechanical aspect of Giger's designs. That's what truly made the Alien a fantastic design - the subsequent departure from those aspects in the later films lessened the visual awesomeness of the creatures.

I feel the same happened for Prometheus. The rocky/natural appearance of the Engineer structures and the creatures.


wmmvrrvrrmm
Dec 01, 2014, 11:34:39 AM
Reply #109 on: Dec 01, 2014, 11:34:39 AM
The reporter seems to be making the leap that 'dragon' is what Ridley is calling the alien, but much as he had a dig at endless zombie flicks a while back, I took his remarks on dragons to be aimed at Game of Thrones, The Hobbit, maybe Harry Potter...

Ridley was comparing the alien to a "futuristic dragon" back in the time of the Alien interviews, with Ripley in her white suit at the end a white knight


Master
Dec 01, 2014, 05:59:04 PM
Reply #110 on: Dec 01, 2014, 05:59:04 PM
It needs to be a new form if that's really what he's going for. Yes, the Deacon isn't an Alien, but it was conceived in such a way that it was basically an Alien and the basic appearance is the same.

He needs to go for something completely out there - in much the same way as the original Alien was.

pls ridley



Buy...but it was already done in Species.


[cancerblack]
Dec 01, 2014, 09:11:47 PM
Reply #111 on: Dec 01, 2014, 09:11:47 PM
And considering what actually happens in Species, we could get a whole new Canon going by linking it to Prometheus.


Master
Dec 01, 2014, 09:42:47 PM
Reply #112 on: Dec 01, 2014, 09:42:47 PM
Exactly! First one fits very much with Prommy.


Immortan Jonesy
Dec 02, 2014, 12:05:30 AM
Reply #113 on: Dec 02, 2014, 12:05:30 AM
It needs to be a new form if that's really what he's going for. Yes, the Deacon isn't an Alien, but it was conceived in such a way that it was basically an Alien and the basic appearance is the same.

He needs to go for something completely out there - in much the same way as the original Alien was.

pls ridley



Yes, I also hope to see Shaw converted into a biomechanoid creature. She finds answers to the big questions but while she is possessed by a biomechanical God. And then she begins to see images of the ancient past of the Engineers in her mind, when she is connected with that monstrosity.


orchidal
Dec 02, 2014, 02:46:12 AM
Reply #114 on: Dec 02, 2014, 02:46:12 AM
It needs to be a new form if that's really what he's going for. Yes, the Deacon isn't an Alien, but it was conceived in such a way that it was basically an Alien and the basic appearance is the same.

He needs to go for something completely out there - in much the same way as the original Alien was.

pls ridley



Yes, I also hope to see Shaw converted into a biomechanoid creature. She finds answers to the big questions but while she is possessed by a biomechanical God. And then she begins to see images of the ancient past of the Engineers in her mind, when she is connected with that monstrosity.


Good idea, very Lovecraftian.


That's exactly the kind of thing I'd love to see. Ridley did himself a disservice moving away from the biomechanical aspect of Giger's designs. That's what truly made the Alien a fantastic design - the subsequent departure from those aspects in the later films lessened the visual awesomeness of the creatures.

I feel the same happened for Prometheus. The rocky/natural appearance of the Engineer structures and the creatures.

And not only this, but Giger's biomechanical sculptures/designs were so evocative and detailed and layered that they implied an eerie backstory in and of themselves.

« Last Edit: Dec 02, 2014, 02:48:02 AM by orchidal »

wmmvrrvrrmm
Dec 02, 2014, 01:16:42 PM
Reply #115 on: Dec 02, 2014, 01:16:42 PM


And not only this, but Giger's biomechanical sculptures/designs were so evocative and detailed and layered that they implied an eerie backstory in and of themselves.

I think that you would have to have Giger overseeing the whole thing in order to get that added effect that seemed to create a back story, or at least the one's we've been imagining all this time.

I probably am interested though in the idea of Prometheus 2 playing around with the idea of quantum physics and a holographic universe, and probably the reason that the derelict and the juggernaut as well as their occupants are different but with similarities is because they are from universes parallel to each other but yet still interconnected, and so they merely represent the same thing in our universe of thinking and so they have a certain amount of bleed through between their different realities in the form of their technologies and their ships, as if they are in some way symbols

« Last Edit: Dec 02, 2014, 01:41:29 PM by wmmvrrvrrmm »

Gash
Dec 03, 2014, 03:26:40 AM
Reply #116 on: Dec 03, 2014, 03:26:40 AM
The reporter seems to be making the leap that 'dragon' is what Ridley is calling the alien, but much as he had a dig at endless zombie flicks a while back, I took his remarks on dragons to be aimed at Game of Thrones, The Hobbit, maybe Harry Potter...

Ridley was comparing the alien to a "futuristic dragon" back in the time of the Alien interviews, with Ripley in her white suit at the end a white knight

Yes, but given his actual statement 'stop the dragons' 'If I see one more dragon' it looks like it's aimed more at the sudden cultural prevalence of mythical dragons.


[cancerblack]
Dec 03, 2014, 04:12:21 AM
Reply #117 on: Dec 03, 2014, 04:12:21 AM
In all honesty, I read it as a reference to the Alien and similar toothy beasts, but I've seen some good cases made for it meaning literal dragons, and just being poorly edited.


wmmvrrvrrmm
Dec 03, 2014, 02:13:22 PM
Reply #118 on: Dec 03, 2014, 02:13:22 PM
The reporter seems to be making the leap that 'dragon' is what Ridley is calling the alien, but much as he had a dig at endless zombie flicks a while back, I took his remarks on dragons to be aimed at Game of Thrones, The Hobbit, maybe Harry Potter...

Ridley was comparing the alien to a "futuristic dragon" back in the time of the Alien interviews, with Ripley in her white suit at the end a white knight

Yes, but given his actual statement 'stop the dragons' 'If I see one more dragon' it looks like it's aimed more at the sudden cultural prevalence of mythical dragons.


well, I haven't really bothered to look at too many dragons recently anyway, but I wish to validate the fact that the original alien could be compared to a dragon was always at the back of his mind anyway, whatever set him off with the need to talk about dragons today.



 

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