Firstly, i have to say that i really enjoyed ending of Covenant because it was so dark and left huge intrigue about where its sequel will go. BUT problem with that ending that i just don't see any posibilities (at least satisfactive possibilities) to conect it with Alien. So, what if third movie (if it ever will happen) will end prequel trilogy without explaining how Derelict crashed on LV-426? There is possibility that it already crashed long before Covenant and Prometheus, isn't it? I mean, it will end just as its own separate story without trying to connect to original movie. And there will remain some mystery.
How would you feel about such ending?
I truly hope this to be the case. Unless the Space Jockey is reintroduced as a race above the Engineers.
It would be an interesting watch and take most by surprise. For me I would be up to it.
You can bet your sweet corn bread that Ridley will make the crash a recent event (I wouldn't mind it BTW), but maybe not, only time will tell.
That would be good yes.
I'm still unsure that it can be connected effectively to Alien with only one more film and on a reduced budget. It just feels like there needs to be more than they can fit in there, until we hit Alien. But, that's what happens when you drag your feet, I suppose. So far, the prequels reek of wasted time and potential.
1. We don't know how many more films are to be made - if any.
2. There's nearly 20 years worth of time for things to happen. Most Alien films happen over the course of a few days.
3. As things stand, no there is no chance it already crashed/ landed on LV-426. If that happened the film(s) would very likely need to address it.
I'd be fine either way, honestly.
No chance you say?
Given that Alien covenant bombed, there is a huge chance.
It didn't bomb.
"Underperformed" is the word they're looking for.
Quote from: SM on Feb 04, 2019, 05:40:46 AM
It didn't bomb.
Covenant had between 97 and 111 mil budget with a Box Office take of 240.9
I wouldn't say Covenant bombed either, but it was a definite drop from the previous film. After the time and money invested, how good does that sound to the decision makers?
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 05:51:35 AM
"Underperformed" is the word they're looking for.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
I thought it was a bomb because of the massive marketing?
No. As per above it underperformed. It made money but not nearly what Fox was expecting.
It was profitable, it did well in blu-ray sales, etc, it was just not a home run. Not a flop though, plus there's been sequels or follow ups to movies that fared worse.
My main fear with them showing the Derelict crash is them making it a recent event and putting David or a human character in the chair. I can genuinely see Scott doing it and I'm really against. I'd rather they just leave it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2019, 09:27:50 AM
My main fear with them showing the Derelict crash is them making it a recent event and putting David or a human character in the chair. I can genuinely see Scott doing it and I'm really against. I'd rather they just leave it.
agreed.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2019, 09:27:50 AM
My main fear with them showing the Derelict crash is them making it a recent event and putting David or a human character in the chair. I can genuinely see Scott doing it and I'm really against. I'd rather they just leave it.
I think making it a recent event lines up nicely with the signal only being recently picked up despite ships having to pass that region for some time to get to Thedus and back and no one picking it up earlier - which is what one would expect if the ship had been their for yonks.
Wasn't the point always that it wasn't actually on the way, but slightly off the beaten track?
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 10:28:45 AM
Wasn't the point always that it wasn't actually on the way, but slightly off the beaten track?
I thought so, and even if so-
Is it not possible that the explanation of that is the ship is pulling an Ilos?
In that, in having little power after a thousand years- it would only turn the signal back on every couple hundred of years for a brief period of time?
I just thought the answer was "space is feckin' huge."
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 10:28:45 AM
Wasn't the point always that it wasn't actually on the way, but slightly off the beaten track?
Yeah, but if the ship had been there millennia you might expect that any number of ships going to and from Thedus could've picked up the signal earlier.
I'm just saying there are viable ways for it to be there recently should they want it to be.
I don't think the viability is what AP has an issue with.
Quote from: SM on Feb 04, 2019, 10:35:18 AM
Yeah, but if the ship had been there millennia you might expect that any number of ships going to and from Thedus could've picked up the signal earlier.
Again, I thought the point was that the signal wasn't being detected on the actual shipping lane. Wasn't the explanation given that a probe had picked it up, hence needing to reroute the Nostromo to intercept it?
QuoteI'm just saying there are viable ways for it to be there recently should they want it to be.
No argument there, I'm just trying to clarify what is currently established. I always thought that the rerouting was to get the Nostromo to intercept the signal, not that it had just picked it up in the normal course of its journey.
QuoteWasn't the explanation given that a probe had picked it up, hence needing to reroute the Nostromo to intercept it?
CMTM said that. WYR said the Nostromo picked it up on way to Thedus and misinterpreted as a mapping satellite, which was later corrected.
Didn't ADF also say it was a probe?
But, fair enough.
Ripley theorises it was picked up by drone probes, and they were the next ship to be passing.
Ah, I remembered it being something Ash said, not Ripley thought.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 11:17:12 AM
Ah, I remembered it being something Ash said, not Ripley thought.
Close. I'd forgot till you mentioned it and I had to go and check.
Damn thanks SM, we have a god damn living breathing encyclopedia of Alien footnotes over here ;) :) 8) If that's the case then it follows that it can be made a recent event, though I surmise that David will fall some other way and some hero engineer quarantines the cargo, knowing they're screwed.
I'm absolutely expecting any future prequel movie not to explain the derelict. All the prequels seem to do is set up questions and then handwave the answers, so why change the habit of a lifetime with the third?
"Bring back life-form, priority one."
The company knew. So if the crash is a recent event, does that mean advent truly is the source of the company's knowledge?
Advent was sent from very near LV-426.
Extra-cinematic material sometimes has a habit of being discarded however.
They could always put something similar to Advent in the new movie. Maybe a Company meeting discussing on how to proceed with the situation.
Cue to new ship and new crew waking up.
On topic:
I'd prefer they leave the Derelict alone. Leave it a mystery. The Space Jockey fanatics can still have their fantasy. And it provides more creative freedom, so they wouldn't have to force any corners in order to incorporate it into the movie.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Feb 05, 2019, 04:56:24 AM
On topic:
I'd prefer they leave the Derelict alone. Leave it a mystery. The Space Jockey fanatics can still have their fantasy. And it provides more creative freedom, so they wouldn't have to force any corners in order to incorporate it into the movie.
As a Space Jockey fanatic, I'm okay with this. I'd prefer this to "Daddy-Issue-David created everything." I'm guessing we may never get the third film to see what happens or how things turn out, but since money makes the world go round, there's always a possibility that if a third film might make money, it will get backing and get bank rolled. As far as a third film getting made, now I'm more interested to find out how much involvement Sir Riddles will have in it based on the outcome of "Covenant" and "Prometheus"...how involved will R. Scott be with the third film...will he call the shots on directing or will he assign someone or recommend someone else direct the film and who? I'm standing by and curious.
For me, it's obvious that the Derelict crashed after Covenant because Xenomorphs did not exist before. I see a David's pursuit by the Engineers and lots of events that will lead to the crash of Derelict on LV-426. I have already tried to think about why eggs are found in the cargo ? What will become of Covenant colonists ? But I have not found an answer yet. But it will necessarily be in the following in my opinion. There is really one question that will probably not be answered: Why as luck would the Derelict crush on LV-426 right next to LV-223?
Quote from: chappaeye on Feb 05, 2019, 04:27:47 PM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Feb 05, 2019, 04:56:24 AM
On topic:
I'd prefer they leave the Derelict alone. Leave it a mystery. The Space Jockey fanatics can still have their fantasy. And it provides more creative freedom, so they wouldn't have to force any corners in order to incorporate it into the movie.
As a Space Jockey fanatic, I'm okay with this. I'd prefer this to "Daddy-Issue-David created everything." I'm guessing we may never get the third film to see what happens or how things turn out, but since money makes the world go round, there's always a possibility that if a third film might make money, it will get backing and get bank rolled. As far as a third film getting made, now I'm more interested to find out how much involvement Sir Riddles will have in it based on the outcome of "Covenant" and "Prometheus"...how involved will R. Scott be with the third film...will he call the shots on directing or will he assign someone or recommend someone else direct the film and who? I'm standing by and curious.
Daddy issues AND severe penis envy ;D. Mmmmm. Yes.
I have a problem with introducing the xenomorphs in the prequel movies too much. A newcomer who watches the prequels first will miss all the mysteries in alien. Because everything is already explained.
I like the idea that the space jockey is some kind of an alien creature and from this creature, the engineers got all the technology.
I think it would be cool to see David fails with his creature and they mutate to something different. Or somehow they bring back the deacon. I want to see something like that, but the protomorphs will destroy the original alien movie very much. They should not take too much forward.
I would love to see a 3rd alien prequel. But I'm very afraid where this goes with Ridley Scott.
And yes they did money with covenant. But it was a huge drop compared to Prometheus. I think the chance that a 3rd movie is going to have another big drop is very high. I think the studio is not willing to risk that.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 06, 2019, 10:08:32 AM
Daddy issues AND severe penis envy ;D. Mmmmm. Yes.
Perhaps Walter surpassed him in unseen ways?
(Walter's pants fall off)