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Posted by Corporal Hicks
 - Jul 27, 2015, 07:27:54 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 26, 2015, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 25, 2015, 09:35:24 PMIt's the one thing I wish they had kept in 'Alien 3'.

Not necessarily the eggmorphing specifically, but I've always said I'm gutted they cut the hive scene from the third film. It changed the alien from having purpose and forward-thinking intellect to being a mindless slasher villain.

It would have been far better had it been capturing the prisoners to hive up for baby bait later on.
Posted by pred169
 - Jul 26, 2015, 05:06:02 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 26, 2015, 04:42:19 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 25, 2015, 09:35:24 PM
It's not all that different to the wasps which turn tarantulas into giant incubators. That analogy was even made by Alan Dean Foster in the novelisation.

It's the one thing I wish they had kept in 'Alien 3'. Having the creature going around and just mindlessly killing everyone felt slightly too predictable. The original had a powerful impact with Parker throwing down Dallas' flamethrower and ominously saying there was no sign, whatsoever, of the guy. I remember Ridley Scott in an interview, way back when, saying how he was trying to avoid it just coming across "like a tiger" by simply eating everyone. The ambiguity helped it to be more memorable and unsettling than that.
Yea I agree. I thought the alien leaving no trace of its victims was creepy in the first two movies. In alien 3, that was definitely lost, but I didn't perceive it as a mindless killing machine. To me, it was acting more like a ruthless protector, since ripley was carrying a queen. I still liked it, but I definitely think alien 3 could have portrayed the alien's behavior better...
Right. It seemed more animalistic to me. Like it didn't have the same level of intelligence the original and Cameron aliens had. I like the runner as well though. But for me personally the one I want to see is Gigers puma design that the runner was based on. I felt it was a remarkable design and terrifying in its own unique way.
Posted by Engineer
 - Jul 26, 2015, 04:42:19 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 25, 2015, 09:35:24 PM
It's not all that different to the wasps which turn tarantulas into giant incubators. That analogy was even made by Alan Dean Foster in the novelisation.

It's the one thing I wish they had kept in 'Alien 3'. Having the creature going around and just mindlessly killing everyone felt slightly too predictable. The original had a powerful impact with Parker throwing down Dallas' flamethrower and ominously saying there was no sign, whatsoever, of the guy. I remember Ridley Scott in an interview, way back when, saying how he was trying to avoid it just coming across "like a tiger" by simply eating everyone. The ambiguity helped it to be more memorable and unsettling than that.
Yea I agree. I thought the alien leaving no trace of its victims was creepy in the first two movies. In alien 3, that was definitely lost, but I didn't perceive it as a mindless killing machine. To me, it was acting more like a ruthless protector, since ripley was carrying a queen. I still liked it, but I definitely think alien 3 could have portrayed the alien's behavior better...
Posted by HuDaFuK
 - Jul 26, 2015, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 25, 2015, 09:35:24 PMIt's the one thing I wish they had kept in 'Alien 3'.

Not necessarily the eggmorphing specifically, but I've always said I'm gutted they cut the hive scene from the third film. It changed the alien from having purpose and forward-thinking intellect to being a mindless slasher villain.
Posted by Xenomorphine
 - Jul 25, 2015, 09:35:24 PM
It's not all that different to the wasps which turn tarantulas into giant incubators. That analogy was even made by Alan Dean Foster in the novelisation.

It's the one thing I wish they had kept in 'Alien 3'. Having the creature going around and just mindlessly killing everyone felt slightly too predictable. The original had a powerful impact with Parker throwing down Dallas' flamethrower and ominously saying there was no sign, whatsoever, of the guy. I remember Ridley Scott in an interview, way back when, saying how he was trying to avoid it just coming across "like a tiger" by simply eating everyone. The ambiguity helped it to be more memorable and unsettling than that.
Posted by Engineer
 - Jul 25, 2015, 07:32:03 PM
I'd say I'm open minded about egg morphing, and I agree that it would be terrifying...

... But I just can't get over the fact that egg morphing starts to lean more into science fantasy as opposed to science fiction. This IS my opinion, of course, but the idea of a human being transformed to a different organism entirely just doesn't work for me most of the time. There are exceptions though: the flood in halo, the thing, the fly; those worked for me. But other movies that have used similar concepts it just bugged me more than it terrified me. Prometheus and the black goo didn't really do anything for me, nor did the creature transformations in a lot of older movies like leviathan. I really enjoyed district 9, but honestly the human protagonist transforming to a prawn almost killed the movie for me (other factors contributed too; I'm also not a fan of documentary-style movies like the first half of district 9).When that started happening, I almost walked out of the theater, but I'm glad I stuck around to see the rest because it did turn out to be one of my favorite movies in the last 10 years. To me, the most terrifying thing is exactly what alien did; turn a human into a living incubator!
Posted by Xenomorphine
 - Jul 25, 2015, 10:49:34 AM
It was part of what made the creature live up to its titular name for me. Of course, I read the novelisation before watching the film... Though, to me, it's the only way to reconcile 'Alien 3' and a way to make sure even a single adult could potentially breed: Egg transformation being a method to produce new Queens.

Of course, if the new film does retcon A3, then it re-opens the possibility of adults being able to become Queens, themselves.

As a concept, though, it struck me as suitably ghoulish and horrific. Opens up the unsettling question of whether it means the host's brain remains 'alive' and in agony for as long as the egg survives - which could potentially be centuries or more. That's a really disturbing ideal.
Posted by Engineer
 - Jul 25, 2015, 01:55:00 AM
Wow those look pretty good!

I'd like to see the final product; I'm curious what you do with the facehuggers!

But I have to admit, I'm not a fan of the egg morphing route; I never have been, really.
Posted by Xenomorphine
 - Jul 25, 2015, 12:29:06 AM
The one with the egg was purchased from here:

http://forender.com/component/mijoshop/product/1002-xenomorph-02-00-facehugger.html

I'm hoping to make it look a little more organic. Even if I can't, the right lighting works wonders. :)

But, yeah, a lot of stories treat the facehugger/chestburster as just a stop-gap plot device. Exploring their mentality hasn't been done much and it's something I'd like to see. So, it's an element I'm going to add to my own story, because it seems like an overlooked angle (much like 'egg-morphing', which I'm also trying to include, if it feels right).
Posted by Engineer
 - Jul 24, 2015, 08:49:19 PM
Any plans to tease those??
Posted by Xenomorphine
 - Jul 24, 2015, 08:46:58 PM
Two different models, actually. :) One of them's designed to fit inside an articulated egg, though.
Posted by THE CITY HUNTER
 - Jul 24, 2015, 08:03:58 PM
Posted by Engineer
 - Jul 24, 2015, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 24, 2015, 03:30:20 AM
A fan-film motion-comic made in (hopefully) professional-looking CGI.

Been in development since 2013:

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=46783.0
Thanks for the link, I've been slowly catching up on your progess! So far what you've teased looks fantastic though! :-)

Have any facehugger models prepared?
Posted by Xenomorphine
 - Jul 24, 2015, 03:30:20 AM
A fan-film motion-comic made in (hopefully) professional-looking CGI.

Been in development since 2013:

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=46783.0
Posted by Engineer
 - Jul 24, 2015, 12:06:05 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 24, 2015, 12:01:19 AM
I'm planning to explore their intelligence my own project.

Really?!? What sort of project?
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