Posted by City Hunter Yautja
- Jul 14, 2021, 03:50:27 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 13, 2021, 06:08:24 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 12, 2021, 09:35:58 PM
If AVP becomes canon, it will require they explain David is no the father of Xenomorphs, but simply found the recipe the Predators in AVP and AVPR did.
No son, AvP is canon, but only to the Predator movies.
None of which are canon to the Alien movies.
Or at least, this seems to be how recent creators and a lot of the more up to date fans are rolling with it.
Perhaps the time for caring if its canon or legends is at an end. Just enjoy it all.
Posted by SuperiorIronman
- Jul 13, 2021, 08:45:09 PMThey apparently separate things by brand and frankly nobody seemingly told the Predator writers so AVP still occupies a slot on the timeline even if legal doesn't see it that way. It's clumsy and stupid regarding the actual stance Fox has and is left unenforced so it seemingly doesn't even matter. And even if we didn't include the Alien versus Predator films, they still predate the prequels in the Predator continuity by the existence of the skull and Lex's spear, not to mention Neca lore which is supposed to be canon and has a handful of instances where they appear prior to the prequels. The only elements other prequels Predator uses is the Engineers and that's only based on art done by Tristan Jones.
Really the only way around this is a hard reboot where everyone literally is required to start fresh but that's what happens when Fox doesn't pay attention to what it's doing and simply doesn't care.
It's just two continuities Fox has been really bad at implementing.
Really the only way around this is a hard reboot where everyone literally is required to start fresh but that's what happens when Fox doesn't pay attention to what it's doing and simply doesn't care.
It's just two continuities Fox has been really bad at implementing.
Posted by [cancerblack]
- Jul 13, 2021, 06:08:24 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 12, 2021, 09:35:58 PM
If AVP becomes canon, it will require they explain David is no the father of Xenomorphs, but simply found the recipe the Predators in AVP and AVPR did.
No son, AvP is canon, but only to the Predator movies.
None of which are canon to the Alien movies.
Or at least, this seems to be how recent creators and a lot of the more up to date fans are rolling with it.
Posted by Kradan
- Jul 13, 2021, 09:33:00 AMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 12, 2021, 09:46:48 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 12, 2021, 09:39:56 PM
AvP was retconned by Prometheus detaching the prequels and subsequently the Alien film franchise entirely from AvP.
Do you think a Promethean sequel could reconcile the franchises?
The biggest issue is Xenomorphs in 2004.
Time travel, time travel, everybody !
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Jul 12, 2021, 10:07:40 PMI'm not certain if Ridley is on the record regarding Predator, but no, he's definitely not a fan of AvP.
Posted by City Hunter Yautja
- Jul 12, 2021, 10:03:34 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 12, 2021, 10:00:53 PM
I think it's tricky but possible, but that would have to be over Ridley Scott's dead body.
Plus, I just don't think there's enough of an upswell of fan desire to re-link the two quite frankly. It's been my experience you'll find more fan desire to retcon Ridley's prequels as well, and both AvPs and David will be on the outside looking in.
Does Ridley not like the AVP films or the Predator films?
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Jul 12, 2021, 10:00:53 PMI think it's tricky but possible, but that would have to be over Ridley Scott's dead body. 
Plus, I just don't think there's enough of an upswell of fan desire to re-link the two quite frankly. It's been my experience you'll find more fan desire to retcon Ridley's prequels as well, and both AvPs and David will be on the outside looking in.
Plus, I just don't think there's enough of an upswell of fan desire to re-link the two quite frankly. It's been my experience you'll find more fan desire to retcon Ridley's prequels as well, and both AvPs and David will be on the outside looking in.
Posted by City Hunter Yautja
- Jul 12, 2021, 09:46:48 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 12, 2021, 09:39:56 PM
AvP was retconned by Prometheus detaching the prequels and subsequently the Alien film franchise entirely from AvP.
Do you think a Promethean sequel could reconcile the franchises?
The biggest issue is Xenomorphs in 2004.
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Jul 12, 2021, 09:39:56 PMAvP was retconned by Prometheus detaching the prequels and subsequently the Alien film franchise entirely from AvP.
Posted by City Hunter Yautja
- Jul 12, 2021, 09:35:58 PMIf AVP becomes canon, it will require they explain David is no the father of Xenomorphs, but simply found the recipe the Predators in AVP and AVPR did.
Posted by Voodoo Magic
- Jul 12, 2021, 09:23:36 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 12, 2021, 08:58:08 PMQuote from: SiL on Jul 12, 2021, 08:48:27 PM
Yup, and he said the first two were younger than that, hence no scars on them.
Well AVP isn't canon, so Anderson's sentiments are simply that.
Well, they are definitely separate licenses and subsequently separate revenue streams, but as of 2018's "The Predator", both Predator and AvP is one big continuity, which makes sense overall with the Xeno skull in Predator 2 to the Hawkins Grave in AvPR to the spear in The Predator.
Who knows how Disney's 20th Century Studios sees all this now, though.
A note of trivia though is the AvP films are considered "sequels" per the current lawsuit:
Posted by City Hunter Yautja
- Jul 12, 2021, 08:58:08 PMQuote from: SiL on Jul 12, 2021, 08:48:27 PM
Yup, and he said the first two were younger than that, hence no scars on them.
Well AVP isn't canon, so Anderson's sentiments are simply that.
Posted by SiL
- Jul 12, 2021, 08:48:27 PMYup, and he said the first two were younger than that, hence no scars on them.
Posted by City Hunter Yautja
- Jul 12, 2021, 08:39:02 PMQuote from: SiL on Jul 12, 2021, 08:29:29 PM
If you go by Paul Anderson, Scar is older than the first two Predators.
I do not go by Paul Anderson.
Hmm.. I read the three Preds were teenagers and this was their rite of passage.
Posted by Kradan
- Jul 12, 2021, 08:35:27 PMI like AvP 2004 but that's just load of bullshit, Mr. Anderson
