https://youtu.be/iwQVcQrlmTE (https://youtu.be/iwQVcQrlmTE)
The strangest dream? Infected confirmed.
Looks nice, love the use of the siren at the end.
Let's see where this one goes, it's be interesting to see if it's possible to edit all these shorts together, maybe create a very interesting whole. I'm seeing a possibility for a narrative path of sorts
Looks to revolve around a burster.
Given the runtime of these shorts, I wouldn't expect a mature alien in this one.
Will we be seeing any grown xenomorphs in these at some point?
Yes, the trailers have already shown the Covenant adult in at least one of the shorts.
Would be cool if somebody added a new design, doubt it'll happen. They might not even be allowed.
A new design? Of?
Alien.
Budget likely wouldn't permit -- we've gone one film with no Alien, and one with a cheap CG hugger. The brief said they had to stick to concepts from the first movie, so new designs likely wouldn't have been allowed anyway.
They all needed Bob Burns.
If you wanna do the best non silver screen alien, you just gotta have "the right crew".
If i'd been able to find a US producer for a pitch and got the gig I would've called Odd Studios pretty quick :P Cast and crew I could get for free; spend all the money on sets, effects and food.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 10, 2019, 04:48:26 AM
If i'd been able to find a US producer for a pitch and got the gig I would've called Odd Studios pretty quick :P Cast and crew I could get for free; spend all the money on sets, effects and food.
Pfft, tell them they'll get nourishment by way of self-fulfillment in a job well done, save a ton on the food budget.
Likewise, if the cast or crew try to rest, remind them of what Ron Perlman said in 'Alien Resurrection'.
Spoiler
"Sleep when you die."
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 10, 2019, 05:02:44 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 10, 2019, 04:48:26 AM
If i'd been able to find a US producer for a pitch and got the gig I would've called Odd Studios pretty quick :P Cast and crew I could get for free; spend all the money on sets, effects and food.
Pfft, tell them they'll get nourishment by way of self-fulfillment in a job well done, save a ton on the food budget.
Likewise, if the cast or crew try to rest, remind them of what Ron Perlman said in 'Alien Resurrection'.
Spoiler
"Sleep when you die."
Potatoes are the life's blood of any great human endeavor.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 10, 2019, 03:57:06 AM
Alien.
Budget likely wouldn't permit -- we've gone one film with no Alien, and one with a cheap CG hugger. The brief said they had to stick to concepts from the first movie, so new designs likely wouldn't have been allowed anyway.
True, could add touches though, like a different coloured Egg etc.
Like Jurassic Park Dinos in subsequent films.
EDIT: On second thoughts would probably be met with " That's no meh Alien Egg, why's it purple, The LORE"
Quote from: Highland on Apr 10, 2019, 05:17:34 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 10, 2019, 03:57:06 AM
Alien.
Budget likely wouldn't permit -- we've gone one film with no Alien, and one with a cheap CG hugger. The brief said they had to stick to concepts from the first movie, so new designs likely wouldn't have been allowed anyway.
True, could add touches though, like a different coloured Egg etc.
Like Jurassic Park Dinos in subsequent films.
EDIT: On second thoughts would probably be met with " That's no meh Alien Egg, why's it purple, The LORE"
I kind of doubt that - the Alien movies have changed stuff every step of the way and the fandom has been (mostly) accepting of cosmetic changes, or at least accepting that those things happen and that it's not the end of the world. I doubt casual viewers would notice, let alone care.
Quote from: Highland on Apr 10, 2019, 05:17:34 AM
True, could add touches though, like a different coloured Egg etc.
On the flipside, changing shit for the sake of it is lousy design ethic.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 10, 2019, 05:46:58 AM
Quote from: Highland on Apr 10, 2019, 05:17:34 AM
True, could add touches though, like a different coloured Egg etc.
On the flipside, changing shit for the sake of it is lousy design ethic.
It's not really a must I guess. In the end the short story is more about the story. I really like the dog idea in specimen though. That's the kind of stuff that elevates the shorts.
I'm sure everyone doesn't want to see 8 different versions off a chest burst.
When is there going to be a big chap?!?
I'm Bored already.
Pulse Rifles??????? Please!!!?!
Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 10, 2019, 01:28:31 PM
When is there going to be a big chap?!?
I'm Bored already.
Pulse Rifles??????? Please!!!?!
They could only afford rubber bands.
But the good news is when they fire them at big chap, it will be in bullet time.
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Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 10, 2019, 01:28:31 PM
When is there going to be a big chap?!?
I'm Bored already.
Pulse Rifles??????? Please!!!?!
Won't get Pulse Rifles. This stuff is supposed to pull solely from the original film.
As for "Big Chap," we will be getting an adult Alien in at least one of the shorts, as per the trailer. Looks like they had access to an Alien: Covenant reference suit, though, so it isn't exactly "Big Chap."
Covenant Alien is more like Assless chaps
It seems silly to use the Covenant Alien from a narrative standpoint at this point in the timeline (unless somehow the Egg it came from is from David's initial batch) but regardless, I'm looking forward to seeing which shorts utilize it and how the go about shooting it.
Agreed.
Spoiler
Bored because of no Pulse Rifles, lol.
To be honest, I'd rather see someone use one of those laser pistols from Alien.
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Laser_pistol_(Nostromo) (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Laser_pistol_(Nostromo))
I honestly don't know if laser pistols would actually fit in with the feel of the universe.
Me too, but that's part of the reason I'd like to see them. Perhaps they lack the sheer stopping power of contemporary projectile weapons, which is why the USCM doesn't use them.
As an aside, I still think "phased plasma" is the propellant used by the M-41A pulse rifle rather than some entirely separate weapon that goes pew-pew.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 10, 2019, 03:53:39 PM
I honestly don't know if laser pistols would actually fit in with the feel of the universe.
Kane literally has a laser pistol in 'Alien', he even draws it before he gets facehugged.
Will laser pistols be the new skull?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 10, 2019, 04:44:00 PM
Kane literally has a laser pistol in 'Alien', he even draws it before he gets facehugged.
Only in the DC, though we do see them hanging off their belts in both cuts.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 10, 2019, 03:53:39 PM
I honestly don't know if laser pistols would actually fit in with the feel of the universe.
I don't think they were supposed to be Star Wars kinda lasers. Probably more in line with invisible real-life lasers.
I'll admit that my mental image was pew-pew lasers, but I imagine 'Alien' was coasting off the pop-culture recognition of Star Wars in that regard. Like, in the wake of 'Aliens', laser pistols seem less likely, but in 1979 I suspect people would have been okay with it.
Taking 'Aliens' into consideration, I could see laser pistols as being a space-based personal defense weapon that is perhaps designed to be effective against organic targets, but isn't going to risk going through the hulk like a bullet might.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 10, 2019, 04:44:00 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 10, 2019, 03:53:39 PM
I honestly don't know if laser pistols would actually fit in with the feel of the universe.
Kane literally has a laser pistol in 'Alien', he even draws it before he gets facehugged.
I know he does. But he never uses it and I'm referring to the idea of pew pew lasers.
The cat goes meow-meow.
And the laser pistol goes pew-pew.
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LOOKIT the KITTY! Who's a kitty? Kitty is a kitty!
Closest we've really gotten to seeing "pew pew" in action.
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 10, 2019, 05:26:26 PM
Closest we've really gotten to seeing "pew pew" in action.
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I think that's technically just a pew.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 10, 2019, 05:26:26 PM
Closest we've really gotten to seeing "pew pew" in action.
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Fortunately, it wasn't quite Star Wars pew-pew so that didn't feel too out of place to me. Because it's the 70s, I've just got this notion of Star Wars lasers coming from those Nostromo pistols. :laugh: Of course, they could just not do that way.
Definitely more in line with the first one than the last quality-wise.
Interesting but not especially brilliant. The moving-under-the-skin effect was the best bit.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 10, 2019, 04:04:49 PMAs an aside, I still think "phased plasma" is the propellant used by the M-41A pulse rifle rather than some entirely separate weapon that goes pew-pew.
Well tradition states the Pulse Rifle is just a regular projectile weapon with the "pulse" being a pulse of electricity that triggers the ammunition (as opposed to a traditional firing pin). It's tech that actually exists, it's just not widely used. I recall Cameron being particularly adamant that the Pulse Rifles were just a technological evolution of contemporary weapons tech rather than using anything science-fictiony like "phased plasma".
Wow. Perfect!
NOW we have the chestbuster. And this look good. Why they didn's use chestbuster in first short?
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 12, 2019, 04:36:53 PM
Wow. Perfect!
NOW we have the chestbuster. And this look good. Why they didn's use chestbuster in first short?
Completely different filmmakers working independently of each other, with their own crews and resources.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 12, 2019, 04:49:29 PM
Completely different filmmakers working independently of each other, with their own crews and resources.
I know this. I meant another.
Budget, allocated elsewhere.
Not quite as good as Specimen, but still pretty good. Not quite sure what the deal is with the chestburster... it looked a bit different than a traditional burster and it rather sedate as it was coming out.
What we saw in '
Prometheus' wasn't a laser beam. It was a bolt of something.
Not likely to be plasma, because, well... Weaponising steam is very impractical.
http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/PlasmaWeapons.html
Maybe it's whatever the hell those Predator shoulder cannons use?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 10, 2019, 04:55:12 PM
I'll admit that my mental image was pew-pew lasers, but I imagine 'Alien' was coasting off the pop-culture recognition of Star Wars in that regard. Like, in the wake of 'Aliens', laser pistols seem less likely, but in 1979 I suspect people would have been okay with it.
Taking 'Aliens' into consideration, I could see laser pistols as being a space-based personal defense weapon that is perhaps designed to be effective against organic targets, but isn't going to risk going through the hulk like a bullet might.
Well, real weaponised lasers are
specifically meant for slicing through hardware. Those on warships are intended for melting through drone casings and missile housings, stuff like that, as a defensive countermeasure against missiles, drones and swarming motorboats (whether pirates or the type Iran plans to strap anti-ship missiles to and overwhelm an enemy).
By this far in the future, hand-held stuff would be at
least that powerful, if not far more so. Of course, they would probably also have an ability to lessen the magnitude of their energy output (which would be an advantage over kinetic rounds).
Cameron probably just wanted to portray something more relatable for audiences, who, at the time, most likely equated 'lasers' with Buck Rogers-style disco sci-fi.
However, he did have the good sense to have the physical ammunition act as hand-held versions of what helicopter gunships and APCs, circa the 1980s, were using to take out armoured vehicles and tanks. Rounds which penetrate armour and explode when inside, have desirable destructive effects.
Plus, Hudson's speech takes account of energy weapons having definite standardised use.
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I love the Prometheus weaponry.
Just watched this. I appreciate the James Cameron lighting techniques. Panels of fluorescent white light offer an eerie setting. This does seem to have some pacing issues though. The chest bursting scene was one of the best in a long while.
Do we have to have another black guy stealing stuff? Cringeworthy. It's a stereotype I don't care to keep pushing.
Good job. Solid. Very similar quality to the first film, as others have already said. The opening shot is great--gives us so much information without a single edit.
It's interesting to see the strengths and weaknesses of the different filmmakers on display here. This director was great at setting a tone and getting natural performances from his actors during the "slice of life" part of the film. Good dialogue, natural delivery. Feel like real people. Good banter. As soon as the crap hits the fan, however, we start to see some clunkiness. I've directed amped up, crisis scenes before (and mostly failed, lol), so I know how difficult it can be to get your actors "there" emotionally. And then there's always the risk of going too far, and then you get campy over the top. In this case, I feel that the actors didn't have enough time or number of takes to get all the way "there" emotionally. Some of these takes feel like rehearsals of the real thing. The main girl (who I love in the first half) just never feels very distraught or freaked out. She sort of complains about her boss being killed, and then she (inexplicably) feels the need to shut herself into a place, when she was, only seconds before, wishing she could leave forever on a transport ship. Lady, the door is open--you run! What's missing here is the motive that was present in "Specimen", where the lady was locked in, and wanted to save her dog anyway, so hells yeah, you stay and fight.
Meh, what do I know? It's all just armchair quarterbacking, lol. These films have been great. I wish I could have a shot at making one! Then we could all tear it apart, lol. ;)
It is odd that they need to go to this little supply depot for a drink. We know from what we've seen on Hadley's Hope that these colonies have Bars, which would likely be open later then this little shop. I definitely think a Bar setting would've made this short more interesting.
Quote from: Hadley Hope's Soggy Donut on Apr 12, 2019, 08:43:00 PM
Good job. Solid. Very similar quality to the first film, as others have already said. The opening shot is great--gives us so much information without a single edit.
It's interesting to see the strengths and weaknesses of the different filmmakers on display here. This director was great at setting a tone and getting natural performances from his actors during the "slice of life" part of the film. Good dialogue, natural delivery. Feel like real people. Good banter. As soon as the crap hits the fan, however, we start to see some clunkiness. I've directed amped up, crisis scenes before (and mostly failed, lol), so I know how difficult it can be to get your actors "there" emotionally. And then there's always the risk of going too far, and then you get campy over the top. In this case, I feel that the actors didn't have enough time or number of takes to get all the way "there" emotionally. Some of these takes feel like rehearsals of the real thing. The main girl (who I love in the first half) just never feels very distraught or freaked out. She sort of complains about her boss being killed, and then she (inexplicably) feels the need to shut herself into a place, when she was, only seconds before, wishing she could leave forever on a transport ship. Lady, the door is open--you run! What's missing here is the motive that was present in "Specimen", where the lady was locked in, and wanted to save her dog anyway, so hells yeah, you stay and fight.
I second this. Really liked the slice of life aspect since I've directed scenes similar to this before, I agree with you, when everything goes haywire you need to help your talent to get at that 'moment' via getting your actors to go back to anxious laden/traumatic moment to get them there, and shoot the scenes. Then, after it's done, get them back to the present.
The Alien related stuff in this one was my least favorite part of it. Better than Containment, but Specimen remains my favorite of the three so far, and by a pretty wide margin.
Bit of a mixed bag this one compared to last week's excellent 'Specimen'. Firstly, you have to praise the lighting, cinematography and soundtrack - all very reminiscent of both Alien and Aliens. Thought the casting was good too - both the lead for this week and last week could both hold down the lead role in a feature length Alien film IMO.
The obvious elephant in the room was the almost ridiculous looking baby Xeno running towards the lead character before she beats it with the metal pole. It looked like it was on wheels and out of focus - probably intentionally to avoid showing how bad it looked. Thought the practical effect of the chestburster emerging looked cool and authentic enough though.
Might have been just me, but did anyone else have issues with the sound for this one? Thought the dialogue wasn't very clearly recorded especially towards the beginning, and there was some definitely noticeable ADR (dialogue recorded after the film was shot) for the older guy which wasn't synced up with his mouth.
Story-wise, nothing new or original, yet another that takes heavily from scenes or moments in the original films, it felt really bare bones and predictable fairly early on.
It's a shame that a lot of the focus seems to be on the technical limitations due to the low budget of these shorts rather than the story - perhaps that says more about the story (or lack of) than the budget. I know 8-10 minutes is very short and not enough to create anything of real substance with a beginning/middle/end, but that's where the filmmakers should have taken things in more interesting directions instead of just "character sneaks around in the same room as an alien" which the last two shorts have been.
Scores so far...
Containment - 3/10
Specimen - 8.5/10
Night Shift - 4.5/10
Thought this one was alright, but of course that guy had to yank out the
Spoiler
Blade Runner Blaster ;D. And thankfully it ends on the colony being overrun. Fun times!
Out of the gate I give it a C+
Of the things I like;
The Alien definitely looks better than in the prior shorts and I think the acting was alright. Though it does seem that some here are definitely more talented than others. I think the guy with the pistol definitely is one of the better actors here and I would've liked to see more of him in this short. Partly because the guy does seem to do well with the material given but also in that he does kind of remind me of several customers I've encountered over the years. The slice of life sort of stuff is good and he definitely gets props in my book because he sold his role to me.
Onto what I disliked
The shot of the facehugger could've been left to keeping it just out of focus. It's still within the opening shot and panning slightly over to it just kind of takes the mystique out of it. We're in an alleyway so I guess the idea is that we might mistake it for garbage and the focusing is to make that reveal, but I knew what it was immediately. If it was in the shot outright but obscured in darkness it would explain why the guy didn't notice it, add a light panning over it making that reveal would've worked better if we did have to see it. Otherwise it could've just been in the shot but in the dark with only an outline. The shot that we ended up getting felt kind of amateurish. It's an Alien short, we know an Alien is in this so don't try being clever, you can have it in your shot and make the audience feel like it did something when the eagle eyed viewer notices it or we go back through to find it. We don't need them to hold our hands by pointing right at it.
I also take issue with the black guy stealing, dated stereotype, stop doing it.
The set design also didn't quite work. I get that it's a supply sort of thing but I assume it would've been arranged a little nicer than somebodie's shed. I didn't feel like this is a functioning establishment as much as it was somebodie's tool shed they dressed up.
The pacing was also off and if they would've filled the dead air with something other than whale noises (nature noises wtf?) I feel like this would've moved a bit better.
The ending also felt cheap and since it was on a cheap looking set it didn't work for me. It felt amateurish.
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All and all I give it a C+. It tried, but I feel like this is the weakest of the shorts.
I just waiting for that pulse rifle to just go off.
It's coming.
And it's going to be a beauty
This took an effort to get through. Hope the next one is better. My interest towards these are fading fast. :-\
Good: The guys did fine. The set was fine. The idea was decent. Nice claustrophobic feel.
Bad: The ADR is terrible. Those baseball lines, omg Jesus save me. The delivery was atrocious and her characters lips weren't even moving. You could hear the Mic cut in and out. Her acting was awful. Some shots of the chestburster were so-so. The lack of sound when beating the chestburster. Dudes aim. "The creatures on the floor, oh let's shoot everything including the ceiling".
Good idea. Very poor execution. Definitely the weakest so far.
Removing the ADR and recasting the female role could've saved it.
And enough with the stereotyping complaints please. The stealing fit the narrative. I'd have expected his character to steal it even if he was of any other ethnicity.
His character was a d*ck, and he played it to the bone. Dude single handedly carried this short. Solid work.
Uninteresting and derivative story.
Feels like we're seeing one of the more boring parts in a longer, more interesting story.
I had the same complaints with Containment, but this slightly less well done due to the clunky puppet work and audio editing.
(At least the main woman in this one actually fought the chestburster instead of instantly resigning to death.)
4/10
I keep hearing that this was the weakest of the six, so I'm looking forward to the rest.
I didn't think it could get worse than Containment, but here we are.
I was actually impressed with the subtle facehugger at the beginning -- then nope, here it is for everyone who missed it.
Feel bad for them regarding the sound -- there was no way they meant for that to happen and it's pretty clear they were scrambling to fix a major damned issue. The practical burster puppet itself looked good, but the use was awful. It just kind'a ... slides out of the dude's gut?
And the black guy's aim was just ... it's on the floor, why the f**k are you hitting the ceiling?!
A lot of effort went into this and I do applaud that, but it really did not just come together in the end. And damn do I feel that in my soul cos I've been there.
It's definitely the weakest of the three, and that's not being harsh. Aside from the technical issues, it just didn't land in places, the part with the guy panic firing was poorly executed, and some of his shots were beyond ridiculous. All that being said, a lot of work was obviously put into it so fair play to the people involved. It wasn't bad by any stretch, but given the strength of the previous two shorts, it fell short of the mark for me
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2019, 07:37:12 AMI was actually impressed with the subtle facehugger at the beginning -- then nope, here it is for everyone who missed it.
Lol yeah I thought that too.
Ach.... third episode trying to emulate another Ripley, damnit stop trying to recreate a female archetype that becomes a a bland cardboard copy!!! >(
Ripley appeal was that she was a solid character not the fact that she was a woman!!! Argh sorry rant over. These shorts are getting frustrating with their lack of evolving ideas, this one was agonisingly on the nose about everything to do with the horror, shame really like others have said the slice of life bits are great
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Apr 13, 2019, 01:26:30 AM
The shot of the facehugger could've been left to keeping it just out of focus.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Apr 13, 2019, 01:26:30 AM
The shot that we ended up getting felt kind of amateurish.
Agree. I could not understand how I felt it, exactly - amateurish.
But I like Night Shift more than Containment. Chestburster good. Actors too. I like the barn - because I like horrors in such places.
One thing I will say - I got a kick out of the mention of Aspen beer.
These shorts have been doing a pretty good job with the references so far.
It's alright. Serviceable.
Worst of the three so far, and why the heck was it so dark most of the time (AVP:R levels of poor lighting).
As a life long Alien fan I thought this episode was terrible. Really tropey with no suspense.
The lighting was fine, I think that was mostly the grade and compression.
This short feels like it's a condensed version of a larger story.
Sure that's kind of the point with the shorts, but Specimen managed to do everything it needed to do within 10 minutes whereas this short actually doesn't feel like its done.
I think I know what's wrong with the emotional issue here though..., the camera is in the wrong spot.
See if you can't get your actors there emotionally then you focus on the chest bursting and you can record the freakouts or dub them over later. Inter-cut that with people moving to get the medical kit, the guy freaking out and trying to save his friend, and the older guy trying to keep the victim elevated and then BOOM burster. We cut to the burster rising out of the guy and maybe to sell the guy freaking out the thing turns to the victim's friend to get him to pull the gun.
That's my half-assed way of editing that scene but as-is, the shot feels like its being shown on a stage and that doesn't work because you then need all your actors facing a certain direction and they'll essentially keep themselves contained to that area. It's basically the rule of "always face the audience" and because they aren't cutting, the actors aren't allowed to have their big moments. They have to look good at all angles and without the cut you can't see how personal it is for them, their just freaking out and can't have that emotional moment because you gotta do it all in one take.
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Also is it just me or did anybody else imagine the chestburster was riding a skateboard when it was coming towards the camera? That was way too smooth for the distance it had to cover and how quickly it did it.
Now, it seems every W-Y ship and facility comes with its own supply of xeno eggs. ::) They wouldn't be building better worlds for very long with that sort of problem. :laugh:
At the 8.44 minute, is that an alien clicking or does it sound like a predator??
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Apr 13, 2019, 01:27:59 PM
Also is it just me or did anybody else imagine the chestburster was riding a skateboard when it was coming towards the camera?
No, but I am now! ;D
A lost RB-232 shipment perhaps?
I'd really like to know when, where and how all the Tongal Alien occurrences began myself.
SM will have the shorts arranged in the timeline soon, along with the birth dates of the characters. It's his destiny. ;D
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 13, 2019, 03:41:22 PM
SM will have the shorts arranged in the timeline soon, along with the birth dates of the characters. It's his destiny. ;D
The problem for me was the sound, I had to put it on twice the volume of a normal movie in order to hear a single line of dialogue, apart from that, I had a nice time.
I also want to know the official timeline for when I do the next chronological rewatch.
The timeline is inevitable.
I can hear the man facepalm from across the globe..
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 13, 2019, 05:22:54 PM
I can hear the man facepalm from across the globe..
That's nothing.
You should hear him "quite".
We're a unique bunch of characters, that's for certain. :D
Meh overall. Great opening scene. Ruined it with focus on facehugger. Poor acting from everyone except the fellow with the pistol. Cool chestvuester effect at first. Terrible dialog.
Did anyone complaining about stereotypes consider that maaaaaaaybe the script was written with a thief in mind and not a black guy in mind? I mean the other character portrayed was a black person and she was the hero. Just food for thought. 50% of the cast was black. I would lean toward it wasn't a stereotype.
Quote from: razeak on Apr 13, 2019, 06:12:05 PM
Did anyone complaining about stereotypes consider that maaaaaaaybe the script was written with a thief in mind and not a black guy in mind? I mean the other character portrayed was a black person and she was the hero. Just food for thought. 50% of the cast was black. I would lean toward it wasn't a stereotype.
That's what I'm saying.
The color of one's skin doesn't automatically make people good or bad, nor should it protect them from character flaws in a movie script. If a non-Caucasian character steals something, and the first thing that comes to someone's mind is their race, I think that's rather telling.
It's a non issue with this short that's getting overblown, and it needs to chill.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 13, 2019, 06:50:11 PM
Quote from: razeak on Apr 13, 2019, 06:12:05 PM
Did anyone complaining about stereotypes consider that maaaaaaaybe the script was written with a thief in mind and not a black guy in mind? I mean the other character portrayed was a black person and she was the hero. Just food for thought. 50% of the cast was black. I would lean toward it wasn't a stereotype.
That's what I'm saying.
The color of one's skin doesn't automatically make people good or bad, nor should it protect them from character flaws in a movie script. If a non-Caucasian character steals something, and the first thing that comes to someone's mind is their race, I think that's rather telling.
It's a non issue with this short that's getting overblown, and it needs to chill.
And now we have been treated to a very rare sight, one of nature's most beautiful and elusive displays, common sense on the internet
Agreed.
How come the guy with chestburster has white stuff coming from his mouth? I was thinking maybe he was synthetic like the dog from Specimen but then red blood was shown during chest bursting... maybe I missed something.
Quote from: chromhart on Apr 13, 2019, 08:58:01 PM
How come the guy with chestburster has white stuff coming from his mouth? I was thinking maybe he was synthetic like the dog from Specimen but then red blood was shown during chest bursting... maybe I missed something.
He was foaming at the mouth.
It's a tad overdone, but it's not necessarily out of place.
Back in college, a guy next to me suffered a massive seizure and collapsed. He bashed his head against a chair on his way down. He was foaming by the time I stuck my jacket under his head.
Which very noticeably disappears in the overhead shot before the burster slides out.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2019, 10:39:10 PM
Which very noticeably disappears in the overhead shot before the burster slides out.
Well, you don't wanna gross people out. ;D
Feels like the weakest short so far. Barring the weird audio bug it has the same problem I had with Containment.
The characters have had a way to escape but instead lock themselves in to face the alien?
It just seems so forced, like they're writing these characters thinking what would Ripley do, instead of thinking what would the average joe do.
Quote from: Nightlord on Apr 14, 2019, 11:03:23 AM
Feels like the weakest short so far. Barring the weird audio bug it has the same problem I had with Containment.
The characters have had a way to escape but instead lock themselves in to face the alien?
It just seems so forced, like they're writing these characters thinking what would Ripley do, instead of thinking what would the average joe do.
Yes. That's the creativity we're dealing with. Every short needs an offshoot of Ripley.
Hell, I would have went for broke with Alien Specimen and done it from almost the dogs point of view. Your protagonist is the dog. Sure you hear what the humans have to say in the background but you make it more between the canine and the eerie sensed danger in that container, while the humans think the hound is crazy.
Revealing the dog at the end to be a synthetic would be just a bonus. That would have been fresh and so much better in my opinion.
For as much as I really like Specimen, if it was from the dog's point of view that would've been just as cool. Though I think Specimen is strong enough on it's own that either way you do it it'll still be a fantastic short. Honestly though, I'd love to see more of Specimen because that just grabbed me in a way the other shorts just didn't.
A Female lead is a submission condition.
No Male lead, no robot animal lead.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 14, 2019, 02:25:16 PM
A Female lead is a submission condition.
No Male lead, no robot animal lead.
That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Was there any official explanation behind that condition?
I don't remember.
According to what I can find on the website it seems to be a condition that is a deliberate callback to Alien.
Though there isn't necessarily a rule for it (as in you wont find it in the requirements) it seems to be a thing that Fox and Tongal are looking for in the shorts which is probably why the last three shorts did it.
Yeah.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 14, 2019, 02:53:52 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 14, 2019, 02:25:16 PM
A Female lead is a submission condition.
No Male lead, no robot animal lead.
That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Was there any official explanation behind that condition?
The Force is female? Wait, wrong franchise
I'm going to be honest, I understand that being a thing they're looking for.
While the Prequels definitely have an overarching story for David, there hasn't really been an Alien film that didn't have a female lead. And even the AVP crossovers had one in Lex, and while Requiem being an ensemble even that had a deliberate Ripley callback. There is a precedent for it I'd believe.
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Quote from: The Old One on Apr 14, 2019, 02:25:16 PM
A Female lead is a submission condition.
No Male lead, no robot animal lead.
That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Was there any official explanation behind that condition?
The Force is female? Wait, wrong franchise
The "Force is Female" shirt, had nothing to do with Star Wars. It was part of a Nike campaign for the celebration of the "Air Force One" shoe line and that they (and a couple of other companies) where celebrating woman who came at the top at their profession.
And now to the photo of KK. It was taken at the Archer Film Festival, an event aimed at young woman who are interested in the film business and want their future job in the movie industry. She was invited to speak at it because she is one of the most succesfull producers in the industry.
They are all wearing that t-shirt. Why? Because Nike was a sponsor to the festival (a festival organized by a school). What better way for a company to promote their line of shoes with a campaign about strong, succesfull woman, then at a festival that was aimed at young woman.
Is the only character-related caveat that the lead be female? Because, really, that isn't much of a restriction; it describes everyone from Elizabeth Bathory to Mother Teresa.
I've said it before, the Alien films having female leads doesn't bother me, and I'm a dude.
The franchise kind of relies on the ensemble cast anyway. It's never really just Ripley or Shaw, etc. The lead almost changes by the moment.
The character balance is truly excellent. Plus, the male roles have hardly been lacking. Hicks, Hudson, Clemens, Dillon, Parker, Dallas, David, Andrews, Ash, Apone, etc. Even the avp movies and Resurrection had plenty of strong male characters. Us dudes, have been well represented.
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Quote from: The Old One on Apr 14, 2019, 02:25:16 PM
A Female lead is a submission condition.
No Male lead, no robot animal lead.
That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Was there any official explanation behind that condition?
The Force is female? Wait, wrong franchise
The "Force is Female" shirt, had nothing to do with Star Wars. It was part of a Nike campaign for the celebration of the "Air Force One" shoe line and that they (and a couple of other companies) where celebrating woman who came at the top at their profession.
And now to the photo of KK. It was taken at the Archer Film Festival, an event aimed at young woman who are interested in the film business and want their future job in the movie industry. She was invited to speak at it because she is one of the most succesfull producers in the industry.
They are all wearing that t-shirt. Why? Because Nike was a sponsor to the festival (a festival organized by a school). What better way for a company to promote their line of shoes with a campaign about strong, succesfull woman, then at a festival that was aimed at young woman.
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Engineers creates xenomorphs, Engineers destroys xenomorphs. Engineers creates Man, man creates android. Android destroys Engineers. Android creates xenomorphs. Xenomorphs kill man..... Woman inherits the space.
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Engineers creates xenomorphs, Engineers destroys xenomorphs. Engineers creates Man, man creates androids. Androids destroys Engineers. Androids creates xenomorphs. Xenomorphs kill man..... Woman inherits the space.
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Jokes aside, it doesn't bother me in the least whether the lead is male or female as long as the story, and characters are good
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 14, 2019, 02:53:52 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 14, 2019, 02:25:16 PM
A Female lead is a submission condition.
No Male lead, no robot animal lead.
That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Was there any official explanation behind that condition?
The Force is female? Wait, wrong franchise
The "Force is Female" shirt, had nothing to do with Star Wars. It was part of a Nike campaign for the celebration of the "Air Force One" shoe line and that they (and a couple of other companies) where celebrating woman who came at the top at their profession.
And now to the photo of KK. It was taken at the Archer Film Festival, an event aimed at young woman who are interested in the film business and want their future job in the movie industry. She was invited to speak at it because she is one of the most succesfull producers in the industry.
They are all wearing that t-shirt. Why? Because Nike was a sponsor to the festival (a festival organized by a school). What better way for a company to promote their line of shoes with a campaign about strong, succesfull woman, then at a festival that was aimed at young woman.
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Sorry then. I have seen way too much people actually think it had anything to do with SW and get mad about it.
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Apr 14, 2019, 06:01:28 PM
Jokes aside, it doesn't bother me in the least whether the lead is male or female as long as the story, and characters are good
No jokes. Natural selection.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 14, 2019, 05:50:30 PM
I've said it before, the Alien films having female leads doesn't bother me, and I'm a dude.
The franchise kind of relies on the ensemble cast anyway. It's never really just Ripley or Shaw, etc. The lead almost changes by the moment.
The character balance is truly excellent. Plus, the male roles have hardly been lacking. Hicks, Hudson, Clemens, Dillon, Parker, Dallas, David, Andrews, Ash, Apone, etc. Even the avp movies and Resurrection had plenty of strong male characters. Us dudes, have been well represented.
I'm fine with the
majority of Alien films with surving female hero leads, but once in a while I think it should mix it up especially when you're tredding the usual horror trope of the last female surviving and vanquishing the monster. Otherwise, it starts getting redundant narratively in a single franchise (unless your continuing a narrative with the same, reoccurring hero like Ripley, John McClane, etc.) Now let's add 6 new short films to the mix. Collectively, as the quantity of films increases, it eventually risks bordering parody, when the last person of a group always to survive is always a different main female hero no matter who it is.
That's the same reason why I was happy it was Lex in AvP on the Predator side, plus I was stoked to see Isabelle and Royce share most of the spotlight in Predators. Always featuring a surviving different hero Male is just as problematic to me. Mix it up once in a while!
Not to be a stickler, but the final survivor of containment was the white guy, and night shift leaves us with the distinct impression that everyone there is doomed.
This was the worst one yet, lousy sound, amateur acting and execution. :/
Alot of what killed this one could easily be solved by the old adage, "less is more".
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 14, 2019, 07:30:49 PM
Not to be a stickler, but the final survivor of containment was the white guy, and night shift leaves us with the distinct impression that everyone there is doomed.
1. In Containment you know the true hero is that great actress who heroically sacrificed herself and wrote "do not open" on the door. It's not always
literally the last survivor who's breathing. We start getting nitpicky like that and we have to start including Anna in Predator. Same goes with the everyone there is doomed concept.
2. I know you're trying not to be a stickler, but you're being a stickler. ;D
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Quote from: Huggs on Apr 14, 2019, 07:30:49 PM
Not to be a stickler, but the final survivor of containment was the white guy, and night shift leaves us with the distinct impression that everyone there is doomed.
1. In Containment you know the true hero is that great actress who heroically sacrificed herself and wrote "do not open" on the door. It's not always literally the last survivor who's breathing. We start getting nitpicky like that and we have to start including Anna in Predator. Same goes with the everyone there is doomed concept.
2. I know you're trying not to be a stickler, but you're being a stickler. ;D
Well, if I let SiL do it, it'll go on for 5 pages.
I'm saving you both from yourselves!
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 14, 2019, 02:53:52 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 14, 2019, 02:25:16 PM
A Female lead is a submission condition.
No Male lead, no robot animal lead.
That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Was there any official explanation behind that condition?
The Force is female? Wait, wrong franchise
The "Force is Female" shirt, had nothing to do with Star Wars. It was part of a Nike campaign for the celebration of the "Air Force One" shoe line and that they (and a couple of other companies) where celebrating woman who came at the top at their profession.
And now to the photo of KK. It was taken at the Archer Film Festival, an event aimed at young woman who are interested in the film business and want their future job in the movie industry. She was invited to speak at it because she is one of the most succesfull producers in the industry.
They are all wearing that t-shirt. Why? Because Nike was a sponsor to the festival (a festival organized by a school). What better way for a company to promote their line of shoes with a campaign about strong, succesfull woman, then at a festival that was aimed at young woman.
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Sorry then. I have seen way too much people actually think it had anything to do with SW and get mad about it.
No dude, you were spot on, I've seen too much of the same whiny neckbeards complaining about it too. It's all just jokes!
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Quote from: Huggs on Apr 14, 2019, 07:30:49 PM
Not to be a stickler, but the final survivor of containment was the white guy, and night shift leaves us with the distinct impression that everyone there is doomed.
1. In Containment you know the true hero is that great actress who heroically sacrificed herself and wrote "do not open" on the door. It's not always literally the last survivor who's breathing. We start getting nitpicky like that and we have to start including Anna in Predator. Same goes with the everyone there is doomed concept.
2. I know you're trying not to be a stickler, but you're being a stickler. ;D
Well, if I let SiL do it, it'll go on for 5 pages.
I'm saving you both from yourselves!
:laugh:
Just when I think I am the wise one, you reveal your long game and I realize I still have so much to learn. ;D
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Quote from: Huggs on Apr 14, 2019, 07:30:49 PM
Not to be a stickler, but the final survivor of containment was the white guy, and night shift leaves us with the distinct impression that everyone there is doomed.
1. In Containment you know the true hero is that great actress who heroically sacrificed herself and wrote "do not open" on the door. It's not always literally the last survivor who's breathing. We start getting nitpicky like that and we have to start including Anna in Predator. Same goes with the everyone there is doomed concept.
2. I know you're trying not to be a stickler, but you're being a stickler. ;D
Well, if I let SiL do it, it'll go on for 5 pages.
I'm saving you both from yourselves!
:laugh:
Just when I think I am the wise one, you reveal your long game and I realize I still have so much to learn. ;D
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It's like good cop bad cop, but I don't know I'm doing it.
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I kinda want to see Oats Studios take a crack at one of these.
There you go
Great tone and nicely shot and acted. Chestburster was a bit of a let down though and the ending wasn't terribly satisfying.
Quote from: SM on Apr 15, 2019, 03:24:15 AM
Great tone and nicely shot and acted. Chestburster was a bit of a let down though and the ending wasn't terribly satisfying.
What about the audio?
What about it?
Well this was weak, the chestburster being beaten to death scene made me cringe. I'm interested on seeing the one that will have the grown alien but feel it will be as disapointing as the facehuggers and chestbursters. If the forcing of a female lead on every one is an attempt to milk that Ripley nostalgia its not helping to make it any better , well not even Ridley manage to get his Ripley wannabes to work so I can't expect fan films to have a chance.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 14, 2019, 02:53:52 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 14, 2019, 02:25:16 PM
A Female lead is a submission condition.
No Male lead, no robot animal lead.
That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Was there any official explanation behind that condition?
The Force is female? Wait, wrong franchise
I could see Ridley wearing a The Force is Synthetic shirt considering how much the guy loves David.
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 14, 2019, 05:58:05 PM
Engineers creates xenomorphs, Engineers destroys xenomorphs. Engineers creates Man, man creates android. Android destroys Engineers. Android creates xenomorphs. Xenomorphs kill man..... Woman inherits the space.
Predators inherit the space.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 14, 2019, 07:16:44 PM
I'm fine with the majority of Alien films with surving female hero leads, but once in a while I think it should mix it up especially when you're tredding the usual horror trope of the last female surviving and vanquishing the monster. Otherwise, it starts getting redundant narratively in a single franchise (unless your continuing a narrative with the same, reoccurring hero like Ripley, John McClane, etc.) Now let's add 6 new short films to the mix. Collectively, as the quantity of films increases, it eventually risks bordering parody, when the last person of a group always to survive is always a different main female hero no matter who it is.
I agree. They are still too focused on Ripley like leads so its getting a little repetitive, trying something else might work better. Well at least Ridley tried something else with m'boy David, even if its... you know.
Other than being a little on the quiet side I didn't have any problems with the sound. I just turned the volume up.
Don't watch the old dude's lips when he talks early on :P
Use headphones and listen to the baseball dialogue.
She went Microsoft Sam.
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Don't watch the old dude's lips when he talks early on :P
OK. I won't.
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Don't watch the old dude's lips when he talks early on :P
Their lips moved? :laugh:
Hers didn't move much for half of their baseball conversation, no -- but they did move.
Old mate's were moving about half a beat before any sound came out.
Anyone else found this episode a bit racist? I mean the black guy just had to be a stereotype and steal something, right? What did that add to the story? so it would be an excuse for him to be carrying a pistol? I can think of a few other ways to add a projectile weapon to the story, this was just lazy.
No.
No.
I think this exchange nails it:
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Did anyone complaining about stereotypes consider that maaaaaaaybe the script was written with a thief in mind and not a black guy in mind? I mean the other character portrayed was a black person and she was the hero. Just food for thought. 50% of the cast was black. I would lean toward it wasn't a stereotype.
That's what I'm saying.
The color of one's skin doesn't automatically make people good or bad, nor should it protect them from character flaws in a movie script. If a non-Caucasian character steals something, and the first thing that comes to someone's mind is their race, I think that's rather telling.
It's a non issue with this short that's getting overblown, and it needs to chill.
Unfortunately my least favourite of the shorts so far (and overall). While the opening sequence is pretty sweet, it doesn't match up to it. I didn't like any of the characters in this, and that's in terms of actual likeability and being interesting. It was nice getting to see a chestburst (and seeing some effects this time) but I don't think it worked well. It was just a little on the dull side for me.
In terms of the leading woman thing...as has been addressed, it was a criteria for these shorts, among others of being an echo back to Alien since these are in celebration of the 40th anniversary.
Won't someone please think of the poor downtrodden men??
Alien is a female led franchise. It is that simple. And really it makes absolutely no difference and should be a none issue. In terms of the theatrical releases, for me, lately it's been an issue of telegraphing which particular actress makes it through to the end in the marketing (which isn't really an issue here).
My god that guy was a terrible shot!
Didn't think much of that one, probably the weakest of the bunch so far.
QuoteIn terms of the leading woman thing...as has been addressed, it was a criteria for these shorts, among others of being an echo back to Alien since these are in celebration of the 40th anniversary.
It's mentioned as something to "keep in mind", but is conspicuously absent from the actual "requirements" section.
Fun thing I found reading through the requirements; everyone had to present two casting options to Fox for each role, and Fox had final say. Wonder how often this came into play.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 15, 2019, 09:57:26 AM
Alien is a female led franchise.
Time to red shirt all the men. This is horror. Where's the suspense in that?
To me, in an effort to keep Alien from becoming stale and overplayed, you never box yourself in a corner like this. The more you take that path the more dumb and predictable it gets within a franchise of no reocurring characters especially when practically all the other characters always get killed. It's hard enough not to get repetitive with Alien.
I had the luxury or seeing Alien for the first time not knowing who would survive. That feeling of unknown dread would be a welcome return.
Make it a majority of protagonist females, but throw in a male and surprising duo once in a while. Keep the audience guessing. Unless they go back to a reocurring lead, this is the only way you get back to a truly horrific experience.
Hicks makes it through the end of Aliens. Morse makes it through Alien 3. Johner, Vriess make it through Resurrection. David makes it through Prometheus. Tennessee makes it through Covenant (and David, but he's antagonist by this point).
So that's 5 out of 6 films where male characters have made it through until the end. That's the exact same number of movies where a female character has also made it through to the closing credits.
It's not like these are films that are entirely male casts and one female. Both sexes die plenty in these films and we've also had men surviving until the end in most of the films actually.
Like I said earlier, for me the main problem is to do with the marketing showing us who the leading lady is and spoiling that she'll be one of the ones to inevitably make it through to the end. Leading lady = a final survivor.
Jonsey made it to the end of both Alien and Aliens! So that's 6 for 6!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 15, 2019, 12:06:12 PM
Hicks makes it through the end of Aliens. Morse makes it through Alien 3. Johner, Vriess make it through Resurrection. David makes it through Prometheus. Tennessee makes it through Covenant (and David, but he's antagonist by this point).
So that's 5 out of 6 films where male characters have made it through until the end. That's the exact same number of movies where a female character has also made it through to the closing credits.
And in Predator movies the secondary female character always lives. Huh, series about pussyfaced monsters always has male leads, series about dickheaded monsters always has female leads. Last Predator movies just had to add a sexually frustated girl as the villain to be a complete contrast of the Alien ones.
Quote from: Not Jonsey on Apr 15, 2019, 01:03:40 PM
Jonsey made it to the end of both Alien and Aliens! So that's 6 for 6!
Lol! Touche.
That sucked. Just terrible.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 15, 2019, 12:06:12 PM
Hicks makes it through the end of Aliens. Morse makes it through Alien 3. Johner, Vriess make it through Resurrection. David makes it through Prometheus. Tennessee makes it through Covenant (and David, but he's antagonist by this point).
So that's 5 out of 6 films where male characters have made it through until the end. That's the exact same number of movies where a female character has also made it through to the closing credits.
It's not like these are films that are entirely male casts and one female. Both sexes die plenty in these films and we've also had men surviving until the end in most of the films actually.
Like I said earlier, for me the main problem is to do with the marketing showing us who the leading lady is and spoiling that she'll be one of the ones to inevitably make it through to the end. Leading lady = a final survivor.
I think you missed my whole entire point by counting vaginas and penises (sorry David) and seeing who made it through to the end. ;D Case in point, if someone wished that in the next Predator film, to freshen it up, the main hero role would be female, I wouldn't point out Anna or Leona made it through the end of P1 and P2.
I also wasn't referring to franchises where you have a reocurring hero like Ripley... which by time Aliens came out, Ripley is the star, she's the returning hero, and Hicks is just a side character, as is Bishop as is Newt. We all know Ripley is the hero going in. We came to see her. So take those first four films away.
What I was getting at is, if the Alien model of the future becomes like Predator where there is no returning hero, the predictability of your main hero always being female.. Shaw, Daniels, the 6 short films, and beyond, making them all female as a rule, will be a detriment to establishing horror and become predictable in my opinion. This is Alien. This is horror. They have a real opportunity here, to make horror films like the first Alien, where no character is safe. But you're not going to get there strictly by declaring Alien is a "female led franchise" and by doing so, telegraphing who's going to likely overcome beyond the others in each installment. That was my point.
Now, if they go back to a reocurring main female hero like Ripley, then we're not having this conversation. :)
I do think it would be interesting to have an Alien movie with an unequivocal male hero.
Not because I have any issue with the leads typically being women, but because, as Voodoo says, at this stage it would mix things up and allow for some surprise.
Ridley should put a male lead on the next movie. I'm tired of seeing David killing Ripley wannabes for the lols, the phallus is David's weakness. Only someone with massive gains can beat David and make sure that man, not synthetic, dominates this galaxy now and always.
Remember the good old days when nobody gave a shit about the gender or race of a lead character and it was all about the quality of the movie? I miss those days, I had a Sega Dreamcast and optimism
It's not that I care about their sex, it's more that heading every new film up with a Ripley-lite (Lex, Shaw, Daniels) is getting a bit tired. If they can't create a female character who isn't just a pale imitation of her, make it a fella and you're immediately rid of those comparisons.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 15, 2019, 02:26:00 PM
What I was getting at is, if the Alien model of the future becomes like Predator where there is no returning hero, the predictability of your main hero always being female.. Shaw, Daniels, the 6 short films, and beyond, making them all female as a rule, will be a detriment to establishing horror and become predictable in my opinion. This is Alien. This is horror. They have a real opportunity here, to make horror films like the first Alien, where no character is safe. But you're not going to get there strictly by declaring Alien is a "female led franchise" and by doing so, telegraphing who's going to likely overcome beyond the others in each installment. That was my point.
I don't think switching it to a male lead is necessarily going to solve anything like that. Again, because I think it always comes down to the marketing showing that off way too soon and if they decide to go for a leading man, then they'll only show it in all well in advanced.
I've thought about this in the past. I've probably even talked about it on the podcast. I've also thought about just going full female cast, but of late I just believe it comes primarily back to those trailers and promotional material. If they truly wanted to surprise us, they'd need to do a better job of hiding all of that before hand.
There's of course going to be better ensemble balancing within the script as well but yeah, I don't think that's the main issue these days with pulling off surprising elements like Ripley's lead.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 15, 2019, 02:39:05 PM
It's not that I care about their sex, it's more that heading every new film up with a Ripley-lite (Lex, Shaw, Daniels) is getting a bit tired. If they can't create a female character who isn't just a pale imitation of her, make it a fella and you're immediately rid of those comparisons.
The Ripley-lite thing is a whole other issue IMHO.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 15, 2019, 02:39:43 PM
I don't think switching it to a male lead is necessarily going to solve anything like that. Again, because I think it always comes down to the marketing showing that off way too soon and if they decide to go for a leading man, then they'll only show it in all well in advanced.
Not necessarily. It doesn't have to be telegraphed in marketing. I'm not a big fan of 'Life' or 'Mission to Mars' but I give them credit, I never saw Ryan Reynolds or Tim Robbins deaths coming, let alone so early in the movie. These were not telegraphed in the trailers and commercials I saw. Good marketing.
In Alien you didn't know who would come out on top. But if you go with declaring Alien a "female led franchise", the greatest marketing in the world won't matter because their hand has already been shown, and we'll all know going into it... which is counterproductive to good horror.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 15, 2019, 03:14:00 PM
Not necessarily. It doesn't have to be telegraphed in marketing. I'm not a big fan of 'Life' or 'Mission to Mars' but I give them credit, I never saw Ryan Reynolds or Tim Robbins deaths coming, let alone so early in the movie. These were not telegraphed in the trailers and commercials I saw. Good marketing.
Exactly! They don't have to. But more often than not they do. I think it'd be nice if going forward it wasn't telegraphed so badly.
QuoteIn Alien you didn't know who would come out on top. But if you go with declaring Alien a "female led franchise", the greatest marketing in the world won't matter because their hand has already been shown, and we'll all know going into it... which is counterproductive to good horror.
There's a big difference between being that first entry that was actively trying to surprise people with that Ripley decision and being an established 40 year old franchise that consistently goes for female leads, is known for being a franchise that helped push strong female leads and has a defining character in Ripley. It is a female led franchise, there's no two ways about that.
But it's not like every single Alien film (and even counting the AvPs) have just had a single female character in the entire cast either. I don't disagree that it's obvious the main female lead is going to make it through to the end, but a big part of that problem is they're not written as an ensemble piece in the same way Alien was, and the marketing telling us who the main lady was.
I'm not saying I wouldn't be against a male protagonist being the main character who survives to another Alien film. I just think it'd be pointed out to us long long before the film ever plays and be equally ineffective in what you're seeking. There's just far more to getting that same level of Ripley surprise than let's just make the survivor a guy.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 15, 2019, 03:24:19 PM
I'm not saying I wouldn't be against a male protagonist being the main character who survives to another Alien film. I just think it'd be pointed out to us long long before the film ever plays and be equally ineffective in what you're seeking. There's just far more to getting that same level of Ripley surprise than let's just make the survivor a guy.
If it was telegraphed by the script and director, indeed it would be counterproductive. But I believe any good ensemble horror script can hide it as well as marketing.
Imagine 15 minutes left in the film, two remaining crew members, female and male, running down a corridor, red lights flashing, alarms blaring, sprinting for the airlock, Run!! Hurry up!! They turn a corner, almost there!!! WHAM!!! An Alien tail is thrusted in the female's torso. Nooooooo!!!!! Gunfire!!! Blam blam blam blam! Noooooo!
What the f**k!!!!!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 15, 2019, 01:09:30 PM
Quote from: Not Jonsey on Apr 15, 2019, 01:03:40 PM
Jonsey made it to the end of both Alien and Aliens! So that's 6 for 6!
Lol! Touche.
Just to be even meaner, Alien 3 should have included a line from Michael Bishop telling Ripley that they'd euthanize and vivisect her cat just in case if she wouldn't play ball.
Instead of AR we should have gotten an Alien 4 about Jones going after WY for what happened to Ripley.
The only male lead I want to see in an alien movie would be Tom Hardy. Barring that, I don't care, as long as the actress is capable.
But for God's sake, can we please get Cillian Murphy in an alien movie already!
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 15, 2019, 05:05:19 PM
The only male lead I want to see in an alien movie would be Tom Hardy.
Why so hardy for Hardy? Someone like James McAvoy is so clearly better suited for Alien than mumbles!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 15, 2019, 05:35:24 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 15, 2019, 05:05:19 PM
The only male lead I want to see in an alien movie would be Tom Hardy.
Why so hardy for Hardy? Someone like James McAvoy is so clearly better suited for Alien than mumbles!
McAvoy is in everything.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 15, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
If it was telegraphed by the script and director, indeed it would be counterproductive. But I believe any good ensemble horror script can hide it as well as marketing.
For sure. If that's what they're aiming for. I wouldn't mind an attempt from one of the later films to do that - regardless of character sex.
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Apr 15, 2019, 02:36:18 PM
Remember the good old days when nobody gave a shit about the gender or race of a lead character and it was all about the quality of the movie? I miss those days, I had a Sega Dreamcast and optimism
The "good old days" when nearly all film heroes were straight white men, and the people who didn't give a shit were also straight white men and that suited them just fine? The ones who now complain about the "good old days" because more women and people of colour are invading their straight white male movies?
Yeah.
Those were the days.
Quote from: SM on Apr 15, 2019, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Apr 15, 2019, 02:36:18 PM
Remember the good old days when nobody gave a shit about the gender or race of a lead character and it was all about the quality of the movie? I miss those days, I had a Sega Dreamcast and optimism
The "good old days" when nearly all film heroes were straight white men, and the people who didn't give a shit were also straight white men and that suited them just fine? The ones who now complain about the "good old days" because more women and people of colour are invading their straight white male movies?
Yeah.
Those were the days.
Pretty much.
Quote from: SM on Apr 15, 2019, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Apr 15, 2019, 02:36:18 PM
Remember the good old days when nobody gave a shit about the gender or race of a lead character and it was all about the quality of the movie? I miss those days, I had a Sega Dreamcast and optimism
The "good old days" when nearly all film heroes were straight white men, and the people who didn't give a shit were also straight white men and that suited them just fine? The ones who now complain about the "good old days" because more women and people of colour are invading their straight white male movies?
Yeah.
Those were the days.
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Oh come on.
We all love a movie series that has had a female lead before it was cool.
I'm sure he meant when there wasn't so much bickering about almost any decision surrounding the making of a movie and instead people wanted to just discuss the material in the movie.
As long as it doesn't include the gender or race of the hero. Sure.
Quote from: Nightlord on Apr 15, 2019, 09:02:33 PM
Oh come on.
We all love a movie series that has had a female lead before it was cool.
I'm sure he meant when there wasn't so much bickering about almost any decision surrounding the making of a movie and instead people wanted to just discuss the material in the movie.
Indeed.
Quote from: Nightlord on Apr 15, 2019, 09:02:33 PM
I'm sure he meant when there wasn't so much bickering about almost any decision surrounding the making of a movie and instead people wanted to just discuss the material in the movie.
I can't think of a time in history where people
didn't bicker about production decisions. It's not a recent phenomena, it's just amplified by the internet, as most things are.
The idea that the race and gender of a character has never been a point of contention for some people before the last twenty years is insane :D
I was referring to growing up in the nineties, watching Buffy, Spawn, Blade, Spiderman, Terminator, Alien, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Power Rangers, and loving them for the quality of the show, back when the internet was in its infancy, and long before 90% of people on the left and right of the political aisles devolved into easily offended jizz buckets
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Apr 15, 2019, 11:18:54 PM
I was referring to growing up in the nineties, watching Buffy, Spawn, Blade, Spiderman, Terminator, Alien, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Power Rangers, and loving them for the quality of the show, back when the internet was in its infancy, and long before 90% of people on the left and right of the political aisles devolved into easily offended jizz buckets
I want this on a T-Shirt. The whole damned thing! ;D
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Apr 15, 2019, 11:18:54 PM
I was referring to growing up in the nineties, watching Buffy, Spawn, Blade, Spiderman, Terminator, Alien, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Power Rangers, and loving them for the quality of the show, back when the internet was in its infancy, and long before 90% of people on the left and right of the political aisles devolved into easily offended jizz buckets
Yeah, of course it was all "for the quality of the show". Sure that's what you meant. :laugh:
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Apr 15, 2019, 11:18:54 PM
I was referring to growing up in the nineties, watching Buffy, Spawn, Blade, Spiderman, Terminator, Alien, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Power Rangers, and loving them for the quality of the show, back when the internet was in its infancy, and long before 90% of people on the left and right of the political aisles devolved into easily offended jizz buckets
It was always too late to prevent that. Far too late.
People have always been offended by different things.
To moan about it being new is laughable. And to bandy around labels like "easily offended jizz buckets" when no one had mentioned anything about offense is a massive giveaway to say nothing of incredibly ironic.
Quote from: SM on Apr 16, 2019, 12:24:57 AM
People have always been offended by different things.
To moan about it being new is laughable. And to bandy around labels like "easily offended jizz buckets" when no one had mentioned anything about offense is a massive giveaway to say nothing of incredibly ironic.
I'm offended that someone would besmirch the good name of Jism, by using it in relation to politics.
It came out yonks ago but I've not got round to seeing it yet.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/Jism.jpg)
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLXytukNlFM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLXytukNlFM)
Quote from: SM on Apr 16, 2019, 01:14:12 AM
It came out yonks ago but I've not got round to seeing it yet.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/Jism.jpg
I suppose it's the only way one can legitimately say they've never seen Jism before.
Jism: The Movie "Its coming"
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 16, 2019, 12:54:05 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 16, 2019, 12:24:57 AM
People have always been offended by different things.
To moan about it being new is laughable. And to bandy around labels like "easily offended jizz buckets" when no one had mentioned anything about offense is a massive giveaway to say nothing of incredibly ironic.
I'm offended that someone would besmirch the good name of Jism, by using it in relation to politics.
The long game.
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And I though things couldn't get any more off topic.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 16, 2019, 01:22:44 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 16, 2019, 12:54:05 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 16, 2019, 12:24:57 AM
People have always been offended by different things.
To moan about it being new is laughable. And to bandy around labels like "easily offended jizz buckets" when no one had mentioned anything about offense is a massive giveaway to say nothing of incredibly ironic.
I'm offended that someone would besmirch the good name of Jism, by using it in relation to politics.
The long game.
https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o6ZsUJ44ffpnAW7Dy/source.gif
Politics is the realm of war, footsie and crossdressing.
#LeaveMyJismAlone
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 16, 2019, 01:22:25 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 16, 2019, 01:14:12 AM
It came out yonks ago but I've not got round to seeing it yet.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/Jism.jpg
I suppose it's the only way one can legitimately say they've never seen Jism before.
Jism: The Movie "Its coming"
Never seen the sequel either.
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The Second Coming?
One could die happy, if one died.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 16, 2019, 01:34:41 AM
One could die happy, if one died.
(https://i.imgur.com/AV4SMsE.jpg)
Quote from: Samhain13 on Apr 16, 2019, 01:43:03 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 16, 2019, 01:34:41 AM
One could die happy, if one died.
(https://i.imgur.com/AV4SMsE.jpg)
Well, it says "to love her is to die".
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If you would.
Quote from: SM on Apr 16, 2019, 12:24:57 AM
People have always been offended by different things.
To moan about it being new is laughable. And to bandy around labels like "easily offended jizz buckets" when no one had mentioned anything about offense is a massive giveaway to say nothing of incredibly ironic.
Listen to this man, he's older and wiser than the rest of you.
Sorry, I replied from the previous page, didn't see your directive.
Agree with most of the comments. They should have put a spotlight on the hugger then in spray paint a massive arrow and the words "face hugger" pointing right at it.
Sound issues, guy shoots the ceiling ? Space balls alien. Ending was decent.
Feel bad shitting on a short, but this one misses the mark by quite a bit. Looked nice mind you.
I thought the hugger shot was tastefully handled.
It's really the only thing it did right.
Not everybody is an alien fan. For many people, it's just another horror franchise or an old movie. The shorts are meant for more than us, and if I wasn't a hardcore fan, I might not notice the hugger there until it was pointed out by the light. As a fan, I look for that stuff everywhere. The general public might not. So what leaps out at us, might blend just fine for others.
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Apr 16, 2019, 08:10:24 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 16, 2019, 12:24:57 AM
People have always been offended by different things.
To moan about it being new is laughable. And to bandy around labels like "easily offended jizz buckets" when no one had mentioned anything about offense is a massive giveaway to say nothing of incredibly ironic.
Listen to this man, he's older and wiser than the rest of you.
And he's seen both
Jism movies :o
This one gave me one of those hmmm moments, the chestburster scene seemed very familiar and of a superior quality to the rest of the short, just saying.
Going against the general feeling here and stating the story line was excellent. We get the feeling the story is set in an ongoing narrative, stuff has happened previously and will happen after ... check. Shock ending ... check. Likeable lead character ... check.
I'm perhaps more forgiving on these as the budget precludes the Oscar worthy cinematics some people are apparently expecting.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 17, 2019, 05:35:01 PM
I thought the hugger shot was tastefully handled.
Yes very tasteful. Not overpowering nor gratuitous, but possessing a unique post-life stature with the slightest hint of jasmine, olive and passion fruit, with just the right sprinkle of decay.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 17, 2019, 07:12:02 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 17, 2019, 05:35:01 PM
I thought the hugger shot was tastefully handled.
Yes very tasteful. Not overpowering nor gratuitous, but possessing a unique post-life stature with the slightest hint of jasmine, olive and passion fruit, with just the right sprinkle of decay.
That was just exquisite.
Positively fabulous darling.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 17, 2019, 08:22:46 PM
Positively fabulous darling.
Yes, I do believe quite so.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 17, 2019, 05:35:01 PM
I thought the hugger shot was tastefully handled.
It's really the only thing it did right.
Not everybody is an alien fan. For many people, it's just another horror franchise or an old movie. The shorts are meant for more than us, and if I wasn't a hardcore fan, I might not notice the hugger there until it was pointed out by the light. As a fan, I look for that stuff everywhere. The general public might not. So what leaps out at us, might blend just fine for others.
It's a short film about Aliens. Even my mum would have spotted it. I thought the scene was framed just right, until the end.
You can do either, but not both. It either lingers off shot with just enough vagueness or you only catch it at the scene transition.
Quote from: Highland on Apr 17, 2019, 10:11:54 PM
You can do either, but not both. It either lingers off shot with just enough vagueness or you only catch it at the scene transition.
^
Alien: Night ShiftCinematography 2/5
The version that is currently online is horribly dark but I'm guessing this is a colour grading issue, not the fault of the DP. By brightening it in VLC media player I got a more reasonable picture. The soft lighting is a very odd choice for a horror thriller, where harder lights with deep shadows is what you typically want for an edgy, tension-filled drama. The opening Springer/Rolly conversation at the computer terminal, where they put an
additional overhead soft box, looks too toppy for my taste. It gives Rolly and Springer that sinister effect you see in
The Godfather, which might have been useful for other characters, but not these ones. (Interestingly, once the crew got the soft box mounted over top they left it there permanently and tried to disguise it as part of the set - it has the "no smoking" sign on it). The trouble wth so much soft light is that it tends to spill everywhere, making it impossible to flag off the walls. And the effect of that was to give the entire room a higher-key look than they probably wanted. I wonder if they had the walls specially painted that dark grey to try to combat this. And that leads me to wonder if maybe the dark colour grade was intentional after all, in order to restore some creepy, dark corners to the picture; but if so all they proved was that you can't simply crank down the brightness in post and expect to get well-exposed low-key lighting, after the fact.
Acting 3/5
I must admit, I got a bit annoyed with Welles's street-slang method-mumble which I sometimes found unintelligible. Apart from that all the performances were good.
Production Design 3/5
I very much liked the alleyway prologue and the spaceship VFX in the background. The "moon shed" location was a good choice; imagine how bad it would have looked if it had been set in a standard rectangular room. My main complaint is that it wasn't entirely convincing as a supply depot, more like a junk store.
Direction 2/5
Prologue worked well, except they should have revealed the face-hugger only at end of the scene, in the light from the spaceship. (It looks like in editing the director made a late decision to go with this approach by trying to conceal the face-hugger early on, with the subtitle placed over top of it.)
I wondered why the spaceship taking off was so silent - that was confusing - but now I think it being noiseless gave the scene an unsettling, ghostly effect.
I wasn't impressed with the ending much. The climax of the story being conveyed by offscreen sound FX felt a bit
too cheap (I'm talking about the xeno outbreak). It was something you'd only grudgingly accept in a stage play. It also happened rather abruptly. The outbreak needed to be foreshadowed far more strongly.
Story 2/5
Most often, in order to hold the audience's attention, the main character needs to be powerfully motivated towards achieving some kind of goal. This needs to be signalled to the audience early on because it serves as the spine of the plot, taking us from the tale's beginning to end. We know Harper is carrying a chestburster, and we want to see the inevitable happen, so there is some interest in that to keep us watching, but for 2/3rds of the film no one in the story is aware of the life and death stakes hidden in Harper's chest and, in fact, no one is especially motivated by anything much. Welles is the only character driven by any kind of purpose and even then it's only to score some booze for the night.
Since everyone is oblivious to the chestburster time-bomb that's set to go off, the story really needs some other subplot to drive the narrative forward and put characters in conflict. If I may be so bold, here's how I would have rewritten the story:
Spoiler
Alleyway:
Welles finds Harper sleeping on the ground. Harper says he spent the whole day passed out in the alley. Welles shows Harper his new gun. He says they can use it to "persuade" the despatch office to give them free passage on the next cargo ship to Earth. However, first they'll need to use Harper's airside clearance to get past Security Control. Harper agrees. When he gathers his things and they walk away, a dead face-hugger is revealed on the ground beneath Harper's rucksack.
Despatch Office:
Two Despatch Officers, Springer and Rolly, are working the night shift. On the radio an announcer says some dangerous animals have escaped from a livestock shipment, and all personnel are advised to stay indoors while Port Authority handles the problem.
Rolly complains that the facility is shabby and in dire need of maintenance. She points to an old power board with frayed wiring in the corner of the room. Springer says the company doesn't care because there's so little traffic. Not like the old days when the office used to buzz with activity, what with all the space crews passing through. Then the work dried up because most of the cargo freighters converted to robot ships.
The front door bell sounds. Welles and Harper are outside. Via the intercom, Springer tells them they can only come in if they have security clearance. If so, they should use the retinal scanner. Harper looks into the scanner, the door opens, and the two of them enter.
Welles pulls out the gun and points it at Springer and Rolly. He demands two boarding passes for the next flight to Earth.
The back door leads to the port's landing pad. Through a port-hole window, a robot cargo ship can be seen out on the apron; the whine of its engines warming up penetrates the walls. Springer says the ship has a berth for only one human and he holds out a single boarding pass. He says, "Do you want it or not? The ship's ramp closes in 4 minutes." Welles says to Harper, you look too ill for travel, and reaches for the pass. But Springer, rather than handing it over, taunts Welles with it, then hits a remote control that locks down all the office's exits.
Welles goes gun crazy and riddles Springer with 10 rounds from the gun. He takes the pass from Springer's body.
The radio reports that the wild animals on the loose have caused widespread injuries and even deaths. Marshall law has been implemented while Port Authority brings the situation under control.
The stress causes the chestburster to bust out of Harper, killing him.
The creature runs at Welles but when he tries to shoot it, he finds the gun empty. It kills him in a frenzied attack.
While it's teeth are still embedded in Welles's throat, Rolly grabs a loose high voltage cable from the old power board and stabs it into Welles's body, electrocuting the creature.
There is commotion outside as the port is overrun by xenos. The window at the front of the office is smashed as a security team runs past, firing weapons. Lots of screaming.
Rolly takes the boarding pass, unlocks the back door, and sprints for the ship.
Overall 2/5
I thought the music score was excellent. The sound design too. There were obvious technical problems with the post-sync dialogue, which I think can be traced back to the choice of the "moon shed" as their set. It gave all the production sound a metallic reverb which you can hear when Springer says to Welles, "Do you mind?" - probably one of the few bits of original production sound remaining. That must be why the dialogue was replaced. I also liked the chestburster effects, apart from the one shot where it runs at Rolly.
Some technical weaknesses, but mainly falls flat in the story.
TC
I havent read the comments yet i dunno if anyone else has refereed to the lines..I feel like shit, and you look like shit..im sure that was right out of Alien when he wakes up aftre being facehugged..was it kane? John Hurts character its been ages since I've seen alien last time but I'm sure those same lines were in it. Or maybe it was from Aliens after they wake from cryosleep the first time..i havent watched aliens in a while either but i know its from one of the movies....
This was pretty boring. Acting was better than in Containment though. Nice ending.
Quote from: andreaNZ on Apr 19, 2019, 02:38:36 PM
I havent read the comments yet i dunno if anyone else has refereed to the lines..I feel like shit, and you look like shit..im sure that was right out of Alien when he wakes up aftre being facehugged..was it kane? John Hurts character its been ages since I've seen alien last time but I'm sure those same lines were in it. Or maybe it was from Aliens after they wake from cryosleep the first time..i havent watched aliens in a while either but i know its from one of the movies....
It's a reference to the line from Alien:
"I feel dead"
"Anybody tell you look dead?"
https://tongal.com/blog/community-interview/creator-interview-director-aidan-brezonick-on-the-making-of-alien-night-shift
The behind the scenes shots of the creatures look pretty great here:
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(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/nLFGdb_eiuQFnYs6rptokXqzPyalpe9TD_HkVkBxGVAb4tFNQQjma74Muk1WYQ3qm6sx2ttEisgKJQk9sNSfIFpB1ux9dDwhA0399zuQirfHQzZ1LUdVDKC7SUHpEAvb5zPOUYy8)
Wow.
Fantastic detail and repugnant.