In my opinion, the biggest comedy moment of the movie has to be the scene in the egg cave with David/Oram/chestbursted Xeno being commanded to get up and rise. So absurd - I half-expected the chest-burster to make like Spaceballs, don a top hat and coat tails, then tap dance its way off the stage :-)
But, surely somebody must like that scene and think it was a stroke of genius. Did you find anything good / redeeming / momentum-building about that scene?
Where's my popcorn. This should be fun...
Admittedly on first viewing I didn't like it and thought it was a little silly. However on further viewings I actually really like the scene now.
I think its beautifully shot, the lighting is great and the music really works for me.
I actually prefer it to watching the original comically running away across the table which Id always found to be the worst moment in Alien.
I really liked it. Possibly 'cos it was so unexpected. Agreed on the music too.
Yes, people like it. How terrible of them. ::)
Gotta admire the timing. It bursts forth perfectly on cue. ::)
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 31, 2017, 11:09:40 AM
Gotta admire the timing. It bursts forth perfectly on cue. ::)
Isn't everything on cue in a film?
OP confirmed as being basic.
I also did not like it when I first watched it but have come to enjoy it more. It may seem silly that the alien mimics David but it can be looked at as if the alien has intelligence at birth to be able to mimic someone.
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Oct 31, 2017, 11:17:44 AM
Isn't everything on cue in a film?
Most definitely in this scene. Together with the dialogue, it's a little bit too on the nose IMHO.
The moment when David raises his hand I thought to myself "here it comes" and sure enough the little alien raised his hands too. However I actually liked the moment. As others have said, the lighting, music and effect was great. I mean it is definitely "on the nose" but it was a good creature/creator moment.
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Oct 31, 2017, 11:17:44 AM
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 31, 2017, 11:09:40 AM
Gotta admire the timing. It bursts forth perfectly on cue. ::)
Isn't everything on cue in a film?
Yes, but good films are written and constructed to make it seem natural and not rehearsed. Example for comparison: Kane's chestbursting starts "randomly" while Parker is making innuendos during a meal. It doesn't happen immediately after one of the characters finishes delivering a "punch line".
"What do you believe in, David?"
*Dramatic pause* - "Creation" (You can die now).
As for the scene itself, it's my favorite unintentionally funny scene in the film. The lack of self-awareness in that scene is so overwhelming. That said, most people would probably still place "I'll do the fingering" as their highlight.
^ Tee hee :-)
I can see where they were going with "rise" or creation imagery, both biblically, and self-referentially to Alien 3, as well as teach an Alien 4 to roll over, beg, and do tricks. It just didn't work for me. Even taking into account Oram's fickle oscillation between blind faith, and then anally retentive cold logic by the numbers.
I agree the shooting of the cave scene was for the most part picturesque. I didn't care for chestburst/xeno animatronics/cgi or whatever the heck it was. The drop-ship lab neo-burst effects looked much better by comparison.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 31, 2017, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Oct 31, 2017, 11:17:44 AM
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 31, 2017, 11:09:40 AM
Gotta admire the timing. It bursts forth perfectly on cue. ::)
Isn't everything on cue in a film?
Yes, but good films are written and constructed to make it seem natural and not rehearsed. Example for comparison: Kane's chestbursting starts "randomly" while Parker is making innuendos during a meal. It doesn't happen immediately after one of the characters finishes delivering a "punch line".
"What do you believe in, David?"
*Dramatic pause* - "Creation" (You can die now).
As for the scene itself, it's my favorite unintentionally funny scene in the film. The lack of self-awareness in that scene is so overwhelming. That said, most people would probably still place "I'll do the fingering" as their highlight.
Kane's chest burst is intended to elicit a completely different response from the audience though.
One scene is about shock value and the other is about marking a significant moment in the story. Both are well constructed in there intentions.
But if you didn't like it that's fair enough.
I think I'll do the fingering was intended to be funny.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 31, 2017, 12:28:21 PM
"What do you believe in, David?"
I think that's probably the most ridiculous line of dialogue in the entire movie.
I loathe it.
I'm not going to hate on anyone who likes it, I just don't understand why they like it.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Oct 31, 2017, 12:44:24 PM
I loathe it.
I'm not going to hate on anyone who likes it, I just don't understand why they like it.
Is it OK to hate on Ridley Scott for reducing the Alien from the stuff of nightmares to a baby wanting a cuddle?
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 31, 2017, 12:44:14 PM
I think that's probably the most ridiculous line of dialogue in the entire movie.
It's up there, but I'd personally pick "We didn't leave Earth to be safe!"
Hell, I'd nominate it as the dumbest line in the franchise, AvP films included.
I really liked the scene the first time I watched it. I thought that David was watching very carefully to see how the creature reacted once it was born, if David's genetic manipulations in the lab had worked.
We know that some creatures imprint on the first person/animal they see after they're born. So this creature seeing David as a parent and mimicking him was interesting, I thought. And it shows that this act of creation is the only thing giving David any meaning in his existence. We also see that briefly when Oram kills the neomorph. David is absolutely gutted over it.
Quote from: TWJones on Oct 31, 2017, 01:25:26 PM
it shows that this act of creation is the only thing giving David any meaning in his existence. We also see that briefly when Oram kills the neomorph. David is absolutely gutted over it.
Only to later show absolutely no emotion towards the death of the thing he created...twice.
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 31, 2017, 02:00:48 PM
Quote from: TWJones on Oct 31, 2017, 01:25:26 PM
it shows that this act of creation is the only thing giving David any meaning in his existence. We also see that briefly when Oram kills the neomorph. David is absolutely gutted over it.
Only to later show absolutely no emotion towards the death of the thing he created...twice.
I took his reaction over the neopmorph's death to be more about the progress he felt he was making in connecting with it...not its death necessarily. Sort of like having a computer shut down randomly when you're in the middle of writing something. It's the loss of progress, not death, that made him so angry.
At least that's how I took it. And if he perfected the xeno, it was built to kill and be killed. It was serving its purpose, which is why David wasn't upset over those deaths. He knew he could make thousands more.
I think of that moment as 'Alien Tai Chi' :)
Amazing scene. Emphasizes what Alien is all about: creation, birth, desire for biological perfection etc. I guess the scene didn't have enough guns, explosions and yelling marines to please Aliens fans though.
Quote from: TWJones on Oct 31, 2017, 02:16:44 PM
I took his reaction over the neopmorph's death to be more about the progress he felt he was making in connecting with it...not its death necessarily. Sort of like having a computer shut down randomly when you're in the middle of writing something. It's the loss of progress, not death, that made him so angry.
At least that's how I took it. And if he perfected the xeno, it was built to kill and be killed. It was serving its purpose, which is why David wasn't upset over those deaths. He knew he could make thousands more.
That doesn't really make any sense. But then none of it really does. Why be bothered by the loss of the neomorph, which is basically a by-product, and show no concern over the loss of his master creation (twice, as highlighted above)? Why did David let Oram just brush him to one side, when he has vastly superior strength and reflexes? Why blow on the neomorph's nose in the first place? It's not a horse. That makes as much sense as blowing on the nose of a lion. How might that work out I wonder? Why did Oram suddenly then become so monumentally dumb as to follow David anywhere? I don't think these are the questions Ridley Scott meant for me to be thinking about.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 31, 2017, 03:29:56 PM
Quote from: TWJones on Oct 31, 2017, 02:16:44 PM
I took his reaction over the neopmorph's death to be more about the progress he felt he was making in connecting with it...not its death necessarily. Sort of like having a computer shut down randomly when you're in the middle of writing something. It's the loss of progress, not death, that made him so angry.
At least that's how I took it. And if he perfected the xeno, it was built to kill and be killed. It was serving its purpose, which is why David wasn't upset over those deaths. He knew he could make thousands more.
That doesn't really make any sense. But then none of it really does. Why be bothered by the loss of the neomorph, which is basically a by-product, and show no concern over the loss of his master creation (twice, as highlighted above)? Why did David let Oram just brush him to one side, when he has vastly superior strength and reflexes? Why blow on the neomorph's nose in the first place? It's not a horse. That makes as much sense as blowing on the nose of a lion. How might that work out I wonder? Why did Oram suddenly then become so monumentally dumb as to follow David anywhere? I don't think these are the questions Ridley Scott meant for me to be thinking about.
I took David letting himself be brushed aside not wanting to show his hand quite yet. And why wouldn't Oram follow him? As far as he knew David was still behaving rationally, and if there were any suspicions, certainly Oram wanted to know what they were up against. He had the gun and David had not attacked him.
Blowing on it...it was experimentation. David using the knowledge he had and seeing if it had any effect on the Neo, which it did. I see David as willing to try anything to learn about the creatures.
But...you didn't like it. Fair enough. It made sense to me at the time as I was carried along with the story. Sometimes I get swept up in what's happening and I don't really question anything as it moves forward. I'll analyze and pick it apart afterward, but in the moment I just like to experience it.
I pretty much thought the same thing as you on all those moments in the film.
I thought it was quite alright.
Loved David's expression during the chestburst scene.
Bit like a biologist discovering a new species and a proud parent.
Liked the music mostly, felt some "emotion" due to that, nonetheless it was an over the top scene.
Best song on the soundtrack 'Chestbuster' along with the opening credit score
I did not like it.
Not very ALIEN like at all.
Parker had the best line after the bursted zipped off the table though. :)
That moment was embarrasing, almost parody :-\
I liked it. For a few seconds it wasn't a mindless killing machine and was truly ethereal.
I liked the scene. It's such a perversely tender moment. David and his creation in a brief moment of communion with each other.
I like it. As stated before by others, great lighting and composition.
Personally I do think that in this scene as in the fingering scene it's supposed to be funny ; Fassbender's acting is quite quirky in both scenes and the moment the baby xeno rises and the "father" David shows it the way I mean seems obvious to me that it wasn't intent to be taken seriously.
I also like the way the music contrast with the chestbursting.
Instead of mimicking the originial chestbursting scene it goes other way, an unexcpected way and I like it.
Like most things in the movie, didn't love it, didn't hate it. I think they could have showed Davids "moment" in another way. It wasn't in keeping with the other movies.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Oct 31, 2017, 03:27:28 PM
Amazing scene. Emphasizes what Alien is all about: creation, birth, desire for biological perfection etc. I guess the scene didn't have enough guns, explosions and yelling marines to please Aliens fans though.
They want such creative ideas like Blomkamp's Ripley running around in a xenomorph suit.
For sure, if they swapped out the regular guns for pulse rifles... Easily movie of the year.
Quote from: Alionic on Nov 03, 2017, 11:58:31 PM
Quote from: tleilaxu on Oct 31, 2017, 03:27:28 PM
Amazing scene. Emphasizes what Alien is all about: creation, birth, desire for biological perfection etc. I guess the scene didn't have enough guns, explosions and yelling marines to please Aliens fans though.
They want such creative ideas like Blomkamp's Ripley running around in a xenomorph suit.
:D Those horrible Aliens fans, damn them!
I didn't like the scene to me it was kinda goofy. I think they could have had David interact with the Alien some other way. Otherwise I did enjoy Alien: Covenant for the most part.
Quote from: PsyKore on Nov 04, 2017, 08:46:00 AM
Quote from: Alionic on Nov 03, 2017, 11:58:31 PM
Quote from: tleilaxu on Oct 31, 2017, 03:27:28 PM
Amazing scene. Emphasizes what Alien is all about: creation, birth, desire for biological perfection etc. I guess the scene didn't have enough guns, explosions and yelling marines to please Aliens fans though.
They want such creative ideas like Blomkamp's Ripley running around in a xenomorph suit.
:D Those horrible Aliens fans, damn them!
:D yeah I know...Some people can't seem to post without taking a swing at Aliens
Quote from: Munkeywrench on Nov 04, 2017, 11:45:56 PM
I didn't like the scene to me it was kinda goofy. I think they could have had David interact with the Alien some other way. Otherwise I did enjoy Alien: Covenant for the most part.
Quote from: PsyKore on Nov 04, 2017, 08:46:00 AM
Quote from: Alionic on Nov 03, 2017, 11:58:31 PM
Quote from: tleilaxu on Oct 31, 2017, 03:27:28 PM
Amazing scene. Emphasizes what Alien is all about: creation, birth, desire for biological perfection etc. I guess the scene didn't have enough guns, explosions and yelling marines to please Aliens fans though.
They want such creative ideas like Blomkamp's Ripley running around in a xenomorph suit.
:D Those horrible Aliens fans, damn them!
:D yeah I know...Some people can't seem to post without taking a swing at Aliens
It's very diminutive compared to the jabs at Covenant, comrade. Don't kid yourself. ;D
Quote from: SuicideDoors on Nov 03, 2017, 07:17:11 PM
I liked it. For a few seconds it wasn't a mindless killing machine and was truly ethereal.
That was my thought as well. I like brief moments that depict the alien actually
thinking about something. Kind of like when the alien was grinning at Lambert.
One of the best sequences in the film.
one of the best parts of the film, took me by complete surprise
the music did sell the scene. chestbursters have been traditionally horrific scenes and the turnaround of trying the show it as beautiful birth worked imo
Alien 3 did the beautiful birth thing next to dark but hautingly beautiful score, i still get chills from this:
Covenant brth scene doesn't belong in a proper Alien film. The music on it's own is not bad, it's pretty but it completely lacks the dark undertones that an Alien film requires. It probably would fit nicely to some romantic movie. It's still musically one of the strongest moments (that wasn't reused Goldsmith) in the soundtrack. Some of the Covenant scenes are just bad taste, e.g the K-Drama esque sappy piano music with Daniels. WTF were they thinking.
Tbf the shocking chestbuster wouldn't have been effective either when there was pretty gory b2b backburster/throatburser earlier and the build up for the chestburst was horrible and the result was just laughable in the end.
The lack of dark undertones helps the scene in Covenant.
It tries a different take on a birth scene, rather than repeating the horror that's gone before.
Quote from: SM on Nov 05, 2017, 11:28:58 PM
The lack of dark undertones helps the scene in Covenant.
It tries a different take on a birth scene, rather than repeating the horror that's gone before.
BUT THE BABY XENO HAS ARMS, SM!
HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TAKE THIS HORROR FILM SERIOUSLY IF THE LITTLE BABY XENO HAS ARMS!
WHY IS IT DIFFERENT?
WHY?
hurrr durrr
AND HAZ LEGZZ!!!
The baby xeno birth scene and the immediate follow up with David playing the Prometheus theme on the flute was dope.
The scene works for me.
It reminds me of the Newborn birth scene in A:R. You have the creator and his creation. Like Frankenstein. The classic Frankenstein scene "It's Alive!" that everybody knows.
It's supposed to be twisted, a little comical and slightly disturbing. Maybe even bordering on camp, but that's the way it is.
It's clear that you cannot use it for shock value anymore as everybody knows the original chestburster scene. So Ridley wisely did not play it that way. Nor in gratuitous/exploitative fashion. The Neomorph burster was already the shock moment.
I thought it was one of the best scenes in any Alien film ever, had an almost biblical feeling to it, the birth of something very special.
Quote from: SM on Nov 05, 2017, 11:28:58 PM
It tries a different take on a birth scene, rather than repeating the horror that's gone before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLkyg_j3BXM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLkyg_j3BXM)
Yeah, come on, people! Give the movie some slack for trying a different take on the alien birth scene! Different is good!
Quote from: Scorpio on Nov 06, 2017, 12:28:37 AM
It's clear that you cannot use it for shock value anymore as everybody knows the original chestburster scene. So Ridley wisely did not play it that way. Nor in gratuitous/exploitative fashion. The Neomorph burster was already the shock moment.
You're contradicting yourself by saying the chestburst scene can't be used for shock value anymore, and then pointing out that it was in fact used for shock value in the very film you're defending.
Quote from: SM on Nov 05, 2017, 11:28:58 PM
The lack of dark undertones helps the scene in Covenant.
It tries a different take on a birth scene, rather than repeating the horror that's gone before.
I see where they were going with this scene. Music can still be beautiful and romantic yet have dark unnerving qualities. Soundtrack wise Covenant went 100% romantic (not without melancholy). It might have worked for you though, but for me it just didn't gel. My opinion about the films soundtrack is reinforced by the tasteless scenes earlier in the film.
Quote from: reecebomb on Nov 06, 2017, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 05, 2017, 11:28:58 PM
The lack of dark undertones helps the scene in Covenant.
It tries a different take on a birth scene, rather than repeating the horror that's gone before.
I see where they were going with this scene. Music can still be beautiful and romantic yet have dark unnerving qualities. Soundtrack wise Covenant went 100% romantic (not without melancholy). It might have worked for you though, but for me it just didn't gel. My opinion about the films soundtrack is reinforced by the tasteless scenes earlier in the film.
Edit: about the shock value.
Obviously you can't expect the chestbirth to have the same result like the unsuspecting public experienced it in 70's. Yet it can still be effective, the same way you could get a gun shot or getting knifed have shock value when done properly.
Another fail for Alien Covenant was to filmmakers think that adding variety, that back/throat/ass burst will make it more shocking, the example Paranoid Android shows clearly that adding more gore makes it more ridiculous if nothing else. It's all about the build up and how the scene is handled. Plain gore has lost it's effect on audiences long ago.
QuoteMusic can still be beautiful and romantic yet have dark unnerving qualities.
It's unnerving because of the juxtaposition between visual and sound.
The back/throat burst sequence is a masterclass in build up of tension and is handled perfectly, its not just about gore at all. As opposed to requiem which was all about gore and shock.
Its one of the greatest sequences in the whole series.
Orams chest burst is a strange moment. Its an uncomfortable watch because it contrasts a moment of body horror with elements of beauty. Its actually pretty twisted.
Quote from: SM on Nov 06, 2017, 09:41:31 AM
QuoteMusic can still be beautiful and romantic yet have dark unnerving qualities.
It's unnerving because of the juxtaposition between visual and sound.
That's what I mean but put more succinctly.
I find the scene a bit silly and the difference of the Chestburster wasn't necessary considering how iconic the original design was... But it fits for the movie.
What I'm amazed by is the lack of comments on how the Alien has a clear endoskeleton visible beneath its' translucent flesh where fans have often harped on about it having an exoskeleton like a bug. I like that little addition, it makes more scientific sense than a big walking exoskeleton filled with acid.
Pulse Rifles.
Do it
Now.
Quote from: Kurai on Nov 06, 2017, 03:51:50 PM
I find the scene a bit silly and the difference of the Chestburster wasn't necessary considering how iconic the original design was... But it fits for the movie.
What I'm amazed by is the lack of comments on how the Alien has a clear endoskeleton visible beneath its' translucent flesh where fans have often harped on about it having an exoskeleton like a bug. I like that little addition, it makes more scientific sense than a big walking exoskeleton filled with acid.
Skull. Sucks
Quote from: Kurai on Nov 06, 2017, 03:51:50 PM
What I'm amazed by is the lack of comments on how the Alien has a clear endoskeleton visible beneath its' translucent flesh...
I absolutely loved the translucent chestburster. I thought it was a really sweet callback to the abandoned attempt in Alien and I think the effect itself looked fantastic. I really really liked that.
As for the scene itself - I could appreciate what they were aiming for but I just didn't care for it. Mostly from a fanboy pov, though. I started getting annoyed when the Alien showed up and this was just one of those moments that made me shake my head. Stupid sped-up life cycle.
I didn't like it at all. It felt all Jazz Hands to me.
I get what they were trying to do. But that doesn't make it right. It may have been beautifully filmed and scored, but that doesn't mean it's good.
Sorry Ridley but I don't care for the direction you have taken the franchise.
Loved the scene. Probably my favorite chest burst after the original.
I teared up and had to make use of a few tissues. Honestly the most proudest moment in my life next to seeing my first born son. If those of you have children, you know what I mean. Those moments that last a life time. Both a blood mess.
But joking aside, worst scene ever IMHO.
Quote from: Taxemic on Nov 09, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Loved the scene. Probably my favorite chest burst after the original.
It's not my favorite chestburster but I can respect that they did something special with it. It fit with the theme of the movie.
What they tried to do and what they actually achieved are two totally different things.
They tried to make it beautiful, ethereal and unnerving.
They succeeded in making it goofy and completely unthreatening.
I think the chestbursting scene in Spaceballs was more effective.
Quote from: stephen on Nov 09, 2017, 05:57:41 AMI get what they were trying to do.
The First Birth. The Emergence. The End Of Days.
I too remember when the alien wasn't full of shit.
The reasons everybody seems to hate the scene - the cute lil' eldritch horror, the completely inappropriate soundtrack, David's creeper face, etc. - are exactly the reasons I love it. It's like the movie suddenly ceased to be about Daniels and co. and became 100% sympathetic to David and the Xenos.
Haters of Covenant will never understand. If the movie was the fan fiction they had in their heads, they still would probably hate it. They hate anything that isn't Aliens.
The xeno birth in Aliens was kind of cheesy if you think about it. The sound effect when the woman opens her eyes, the way the chestburster can not even get out of the body, it's little arms, squealing at the marines, etc.
But the blinkered lenses of nostalgia will demand that scene is absolutely perfect.
I think it works as a great contrast to Kane's chest burster birth.
On the Nostromo it's unexpected, horrifying and from a human perspective, but in covenant it's expected, Oram is alone and it's from the Androids perspective of the Xenomorph. You can see why Ash, Bishop and David has such fascination with the creature.
I also really like that scene because of the contrast in tone to what we normally expect. Though I'm not too keen on the chestburster design, the music plus Davids reaction to his "child" is beautiful in a morbid kind of way.
Quote from: Scorpio on Nov 24, 2017, 06:09:13 AM
Haters of Covenant will never understand. If the movie was the fan fiction they had in their heads, they still would probably hate it. They hate anything that isn't Aliens.
This tired delusional argument is still as moronic as ever.
Quote from: Scorpio on Nov 24, 2017, 06:09:13 AM
Haters of Covenant will never understand. If the movie was the fan fiction they had in their heads, they still would probably hate it. They hate anything that isn't Aliens.
(https://m.popkey.co/aa9afb/v0065_s-200x150.gif)
You're wrong every time you try to claim something like this. Just because someone doesn't like Covenant, doesn't equate to it being because they like Aliens.
the song in this scene is the one i play most often from the soundtrack, something very emotional and raw to it
Quote from: grootsuit on Nov 27, 2017, 04:25:53 PM
the song in this scene is the one i play most often from the soundtrack, something very emotional and raw to it
I love listening to it too. The music creates such a terrific atmosphere for the chestburster moment, and it's a testament to how integral music can be in movies. Without that music, the scene wouldn't be anywhere as powerful, IMO.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oEbtLmHiMFM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2017, 08:54:08 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Nov 24, 2017, 06:09:13 AM
Haters of Covenant will never understand. If the movie was the fan fiction they had in their heads, they still would probably hate it. They hate anything that isn't Aliens.
https://m.popkey.co/aa9afb/v0065_s-200x150.gif
You're wrong every time you try to claim something like this. Just because someone doesn't like Covenant, doesn't equate to it being because they like Aliens.
I like Aliens too, but I don't consider it the yardstick by which all other Alien movies must be measured. That's the impression.
Not everyone does. Obviously. And to just assume and brush off concerns as that being the only reason why is daft.
It's a matter of perspective.
It's really not. It's asinine.
I ADORE the soundtrack and what they were trying to do. Honestly it was amazing and very well lit and framed. Fassbender was great.
But the... lack of an actual chestbuster and instead the tiny little Xenomorph was very off putting. It didn't feel scary at all. It looked like something I could run up to and kick clean into the wall like a tiny little monkey. Kicking a chestbuster is really hard as it is long and snakey and slithers away into little places to hide (while screaming bloody murder), but a tiny little thing with easy to snap legs and arms? I duno. It was more cute than horror.
I wonder if David picked it up at all and put it in his pocket. : )
As for the chestbuster belly scenes in AVP:R that were mentioned earlier; actually was something pretty creepy. It was hugely Edgy because 'Oh they ate the babies' but still less of a 'wut' scene than My Little Xenomorph.
I thought how the chestburster/little Xeno differs from the original was just a refinement. I quite liked how it still busted out in its worm form but unfolded its limbs once born; it was neat.
Quote from: Killveous on Nov 28, 2017, 09:27:44 PM
It was more cute than horror.
I wonder if David picked it up at all and put it in his pocket. : )
That would've gone down well with fans. :laugh: While I agree the original film is far more horrific with its gore and brutality, I think the implications from the Covenant birth are far darker. But the approach to each chestbursting scene is different. While the original is horrifying, seen from the eyes of a bunch of space truckers that don't know what the f*** is happening. In Covenant, it's from the perspective of David, who has just become father to his long-awaited pinnacle experiment, which is a more "beautiful" depiction.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPwfAvwX0AMMq5u.jpg)
Made this for all the people in this thread who don't like this scene : D
I wanna see the baby Alien fly away on his wooden spoon!
Quote from: SiL on Nov 28, 2017, 09:02:18 PM
It's really not. It's asinine.
Here's the problem:
They do something different - fans hate it.
They repeat what was done before - fans hate it.
There's a chestburster scene in every Alien movie. The question is does it fit with the tone of the movie.
Quote from: Stitch on Nov 18, 2017, 11:59:12 AM
What they tried to do and what they actually achieved are two totally different things.
They tried to make it beautiful, ethereal and unnerving.
They succeeded in making it goofy and completely unthreatening.
I think the chestbursting scene in Spaceballs was more effective.
Now the chest bursting scene in spaceballs is one on my all time favorite. I love how John Hurt was like: yeah what the hell I'll do it again. It was great! I understood what Ridley was going for but I didn't care for it.
The chest busting scene didn't make or break the movie. Although that is about the point where it nose dives hard for a lot of people.
By the time that bit came up I was trying to sever my carotid artery with my popcorn bag. In hindsight it wasn't a truly offensive scene, I figured it was hinting at the idea that David could actually control the xenos. But nothing came of it.
Like everything else in this movie, if the movie had actually worked to develop things further the scene would've been rather epic. I mean, this was supposed to be the culmination of David's efforts, to create the perfect organism in his eyes, and it could've been an epic re-entrance for the alien. As it stands, it's just a silly scene where David gets cute with a baby alien. Certainly not the worst part of the whole movie (coughcoughbackbursterscenecough).
The backburster scene is the best "chestburster" moment in the series since the 1979 movie, yet you people are so focused on David holding his hands up to Oram's son.
Shameful.
The music is great. It has a majestic air about it and the way it contrasts against the horror is brilliant. But the fact that the baby Alien has developed hands drives me bananas. James Cameron's chest urster didn't have arms like that, and Aliens is a part of the good canon so why mess with that? And then of course the hand raising...
What to say? It could be interpreted different ways. Maybe the Alien is responding to an android in a different way than it would to a human? Maybe David added some specific program sequence to the alien's design which makes it respond to androids or to him specifically?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 29, 2017, 05:48:16 AM
James Cameron's chest urster didn't have arms like that, and Aliens is a part of the good canon so why mess with that?
I don't know, maybe because the film in question isn't Aliens and James Cameron had nothing to do with it.
But Cameron set a precedent that is in canon.
Quote from: Killveous on Nov 28, 2017, 11:57:05 PM
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Made this for all the people in this thread who don't like this scene : D
I'd watch the hell out of that show.
I actually think it's so out-of-the-way ridiculous. Like f**k off with that horse shit.
Recently saw Covenant the second time. Still never expected to hear cheesy melanchony piano (that is overused in a lot of stuff in these days and i love melanchony piano melodies) in an Alien film, much less in a chestburster scene. All I get is criinnngggee. To me it's not a smart juxtaposition, it's just bad taste imo. Remove the piano the scene is already 50% better ;D
I preferred the Spaceballs version.
This scene is now canon. Deal with it, already. lol.
-Windebieste.
It being canon doesn't negate anyone's ability to like or dislike the scene.
Couldn't it be fired from a cannon instead?
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 07, 2017, 12:17:32 AM
This scene is now canon. Deal with it, already. lol.
-Windebieste.
I reject Scott's canon and substitute my own
I have no problem with this scene. It's a nice addition to see the thing actually unfold and develop, the precedent for that being the Neomorph Backburster. Seeing that juvenile stage gives (some of) us an enjoyable extra insight into the development of the alien. I also like the fact that tonally it is entirely different to the horror of Kane's Chestburster or the Backburster. The music conveys David's achievement and his connection, and gives the opposite perspective on what new life here means.
Hello my baby, hello my honey!!
It's a beautiful piece of cinema.
I thought it was a great "alienating" moment. As an audience, we are so used to seeing the creature from horror perspective. However, in this scene, we get to view the creature from the perspective of the parent. Very different and very alien (alien as in foreign/unusual to the series).
The music and tone is different because the scene means something very different to David's character - it is a moment of triumph, joy, and celebration.
I like to speak with a lot of casual fans and moviegoers - I notice a common negative reaction when it comes to sentimentality in testosterone driven films (action, horror, etc). I spoke with a family member who absolutely hated Alien: Resurrection - his reasoning was he didn't like "the baby Alien hybrid crying for Mommy."
It seems to be the case with some who don't like this scene as well - they find the depiction of the xenomorph in any other capacity than "evil" or "bad" as off-putting.
When films try to flesh out other perspectives or provide other points-of-view, many seem to rebuke the filmmakers - especially when it comes to emotion and sentiment. It was a common criticism of the Star Wars prequels - many didn't like the emotional or "whiny" Anakin Skywalker. Many fans felt Vader is evil - so he should have no weaknesses, no sentimentality, pure violence and evil all the way.
A multi-dimensional view fleshes out motivations - but some fans like one dimensional portraits.
Return of the Jedi showed Vader wasn't pure violence and evil. Well Empire started it really.
While the first 3 'Star Wars' episodes have their problems, they have one very, very important feature that 'The Force Awakens' (and presumably, 'The Last Jedi' - I haven't seen it yet.) lack. They are part of a 6 story arc that effectively documents of what I like to call the 'Rise and Redemption of Darth Vader'
This is the common bridge that connects all of these first 6 movies together. Despite their weaknesses - and all 'Star Wars' movies have them to varying degrees - this is where their Greater Merit lies and it becomes apparent that 'Star Wars' episodes 1-6 is intended as a narrative to be enjoyed as a whole but viewed in parts.
'TFA' feels divorced from that story. For several reasons. It takes place 30 years after the events of 'Return of the Jedi'. It's pre-occupied with aging actors being front and center and reprising roles they're too old for (hence the poor justification for a 30 year gap) and yet another 'Good Guys vs Evil Empire' scenario that's basically a patchwork remake of previous content. I don't even understand how the First Order (or whatever it's called) came to be by watching the movie. Actually, a movie about the immediate aftermath of the death of the Emperor and his Right Hand Man, Vader; the destruction of the Death Star above Endor and the ensuing struggle between the fractured Empire and the rising Rebellion would be a much more engrossing story, one that has much wider impact on the Galaxy it takes place on and be much more immediate, far reaching consequences. It's relevance would be greater, too as it happens as a direct result of the events at the end of Episode 6.
There's a much more enticing story there than what we got in 'TFA'. What did we actually get in Episode 7? A lot of disconnected rehashed content that takes place 30 years after the most important event in the Galaxy so Han Solo is killed by his emo son and Luke Skywalker simply standing there, doing nothing in the last 30 seconds of the movie with nary a piece of dialogue! It's hardly adequate content to warrant actors Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill to be blessed with the top 2 Star billing posts ... Gah!
Hollywood's 'Cult of Celebrities' has a lot to answer to - sacrificing potentially good stories just so popular old f**kers can be seen on the big screen just one last time. It's unsatisfying in terms of delivering narrative and ultimately reduces 'TFA' to the weakest and most disconnected movie in the series to date.
Oh, btw. I really love the Oram chestburster scene. Scott is such a subversive old fox, aint he? Moar plz, Sir Scott. You got this. Making 'ALIEN' confronting, uncomfortable, disquieting and incomprehensible, unexpected and weird. Oh yeah. 'ALIEN' in name is worth nought without 'alien' content.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Prof. a on Dec 17, 2017, 10:41:26 PM
I thought it was a great "alienating" moment. As an audience, we are so used to seeing the creature from horror perspective. However, in this scene, we get to view the creature from the perspective of the parent. Very different and very alien (alien as in foreign/unusual to the series).
The music and tone is different because the scene means something very different to David's character - it is a moment of triumph, joy, and celebration.
I like to speak with a lot of casual fans and moviegoers - I notice a common negative reaction when it comes to sentimentality in testosterone driven films (action, horror, etc). I spoke with a family member who absolutely hated Alien: Resurrection - his reasoning was he didn't like "the baby Alien hybrid crying for Mommy."
It seems to be the case with some who don't like this scene as well - they find the depiction of the xenomorph in any other capacity than "evil" or "bad" as off-putting.
When films try to flesh out other perspectives or provide other points-of-view, many seem to rebuke the filmmakers - especially when it comes to emotion and sentiment. It was a common criticism of the Star Wars prequels - many didn't like the emotional or "whiny" Anakin Skywalker. Many fans felt Vader is evil - so he should have no weaknesses, no sentimentality, pure violence and evil all the way.
A multi-dimensional view fleshes out motivations - but some fans like one dimensional portraits.
Some very good points here. For all its problems, Resurrection actually has a lot of very uncomfortable scenes, like the hybrid killing the Alien queen we're supposed to hold in utter awe, its own mother, in such a horrible way, and then dying itself calling out for its mummy like you mentioned. That's transgressive, that's uncomfortable. Covenant is has some similarly uncomfortable scenes which don't jive well with an audience who prefer clear-cut good vs bad marines vs bugs scenarios. However, as I've said before, this also ties in to expectations generated by the marketing campaign. You need to show people what they're going to get, and the marketing for Covenant did not do that sufficiently.
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 17, 2017, 11:48:22 PM
While the first 3 'Star Wars' episodes have their problems, they have one very, very important feature that 'The Force Awakens' (and presumably, 'The Last Jedi' - I haven't seen it yet.) lack. They are part of a 6 story arc that effectively documents of what I like to call the 'Rise and Redemption of Darth Vader'
This is the common bridge that connects all of these first 6 movies together. Despite their weaknesses - and all 'Star Wars' movies have them to varying degrees - this is where their Greater Merit lies and it becomes apparent that 'Star Wars' episodes 1-6 is intended as a narrative to be enjoyed as a whole but viewed in parts.
'TFA' feels divorced from that story. For several reasons. It takes place 30 years after the events of 'Return of the Jedi'. It's pre-occupied with aging actors being front and center and reprising roles they're too old for (hence the poor justification for a 30 year gap) and yet another 'Good Guys vs Evil Empire' scenario that's basically a patchwork remake of previous content. I don't even understand how the First Order (or whatever it's called) came to be by watching the movie. Actually, a movie about the immediate aftermath of the death of the Emperor and his Right Hand Man, Vader; the destruction of the Death Star above Endor and the ensuing struggle between the fractured Empire and the rising Rebellion would be a much more engrossing story, one that has much wider impact on the Galaxy it takes place on and be much more immediate, far reaching consequences. It's relevance would be greater, too as it happens as a direct result of the events at the end of Episode 6.
There's a much more enticing story there than what we got in 'TFA'. What did we actually get in Episode 7? A lot of disconnected rehashed content that takes place 30 years after the most important event in the Galaxy so Han Solo is killed by his emo son and Luke Skywalker simply standing there, doing nothing in the last 30 seconds of the movie with nary a piece of dialogue! It's hardly adequate content to warrant actors Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill to be blessed with the top 2 Star billing posts ... Gah!
Hollywood's 'Cult of Celebrities' has a lot to answer to - sacrificing potentially good stories just so popular old f**kers can be seen on the big screen just one last time. It's unsatisfying in terms of delivering narrative and ultimately reduces 'TFA' to the weakest and most disconnected movie in the series to date.
Oh, btw. I really love the Oram chestburster scene. Scott is such a subversive old fox, aint he? Moar plz, Sir Scott. You got this. Making 'ALIEN' confronting, uncomfortable, disquieting and incomprehensible, unexpected and weird. Oh yeah. 'ALIEN' in name is worth nought without 'alien' content.
-Windebieste.
You should check out TLJ, it's a lot better.
I intend to see it. Just low on my list of priorities right now.
I am guessing 'The Force Awakens' will be like 'PROMETHEUS' when more movies in these respective series are released. In this regard I mean, they're both released as new entries but divorced from the main narrative arc within their own series but their strengths will become more apparent when future installments are released.
'PROMETHEUS' is strengthened by 'ALIEN: Covenant'; I expect the disconnect between 'TFA' and the previous episodes will be less annoying when it's true place in the new series is expanded upon by subsequent movies.
Both these series need time to have their wider, broader place in their respective series appreciated. That's going to take more movies. Both 'ALIEN' and 'Star Wars' have been renewed for the 21st Century. We should provide them with the opportunity to prove such.
...but y'know, there's always the conservative fan base that just wants more Luke Skywalker and pulse rifles without stepping beyond their simple and safe popcorn experience of what constitutes entertainment.
-Windebieste.
Without getting into spoilers, I actually thought they set up some interesting things in TFA, but LTJ just kinda shrugs it off. And I feel like I just don't give enough of a f*** about Rey or Kylo. After seeing The Last Jedi, I couldn't care less where the series goes.
Quote from: Prof. a on Dec 17, 2017, 10:41:26 PM
I spoke with a family member who absolutely hated Alien: Resurrection - his reasoning was he didn't like "the baby Alien hybrid crying for Mommy." It seems to be the case with some who don't like this scene as well - they find the depiction of the xenomorph in any other capacity than "evil" or "bad" as off-putting.
On the surface, A:R has always felt to me like playing a video game vicariously. I realize the same could be said for numerous adventures-of-peril films, but I have no clear cut reason why I feel this the most with A:R.
But if one were to explore further themes, one could speculate A:R touches on early mankind's unforgiving approach on birth defects. In more primitive eras, it was not rare that parents who conceived an infant with severe birth defects, considered that infant an abomination and destroyed it. The hybrid is presented as an abomination in the film, and just like early man, the parent destroyed that abomination.
I felt comfortable with it at first, then it rubs me the wrong way. Someone asked me in person about it whether or not I liked it, I was like "wha"? f**k no. it was stupid.
Its an awkward moment in the movie, and quite awkward to talk about.
Equal to getting socks for christmas.....socks!
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 15, 2017, 10:42:39 PM
Hello my baby, hello my honey!!
Never thought of it as a snub to Spaceballs, but if it is that's another thing in it's favour as Spaceballs is surely one of Brooks worst films.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 18, 2017, 01:56:10 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 15, 2017, 10:42:39 PM
Hello my baby, hello my honey!!
Spaceballs is surely one of Brooks worst films.
Take that back you demon
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Dec 18, 2017, 01:28:22 AM
Quote from: Prof. a on Dec 17, 2017, 10:41:26 PM
I spoke with a family member who absolutely hated Alien: Resurrection - his reasoning was he didn't like "the baby Alien hybrid crying for Mommy." It seems to be the case with some who don't like this scene as well - they find the depiction of the xenomorph in any other capacity than "evil" or "bad" as off-putting.
On the surface, A:R has always felt to me like playing a video game vicariously. I realize the same could be said for numerous adventures-of-peril films, but I have no clear cut reason why I feel this the most with A:R.
But if one were to explore further themes, one could speculate A:R touches on early mankind's unforgiving approach on birth defects. In more primitive eras, it was not rare that parents who conceived an infant with severe birth defects, considered that infant an abomination and destroyed it. The hybrid is presented as an abomination in the film, and just like early man, the parent destroyed that abomination.
Excellent point. Certainly, I'd rank Resurrection lower than the previous films. However, what I very much appreciate from this entire series (sans the AVP films, which doesn't seem to be included in the official canon anyway) is that they all took creative chances, risks, and played with the genre.
I really feel that franchise filmmaking is at a very important fork in the road. We've got two basic and existential choices.
1) Do you want soft reboots/remakes in the guise of a sequel (akin to the new Star Wars films, Jurassic World) ?
2) Do you want something that moves away from the traditional formula and adds something new?
In my opinion/analysis, those are the basic choices we have. We don't get to shape the story or add the music we like in a particular scene. You are either "on-board" or not. What always drew me to the Alien series was the constant "alienation" - not just a familiar recycling of tropes, formulas, genres, etc.
Now, I understand and accept those who chose option 1. It's very much like going to McDonald's or some fast food restaurant. You want a Big Mac and you want that Big Mac to include certain things and check off certain boxes. That's totally understandable. I believe there was even a study (I have to find it, don't remember right now) that indicated many people like to watch films/TV shows in which they KNOW exactly what is going to happen. They like their expectations to be met.
However, from my own opinion, I always appreciated filmmakers/artists who try different ideas, concepts, styles, etc. That is what the Alien series has done.
Thanks, just to clarify that is my speculation on a theme. I'm not suggesting the film makers were intentionally portraying that theme.
Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 31, 2017, 11:37:34 AM
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Oct 31, 2017, 11:17:44 AM
Isn't everything on cue in a film?
Most definitely in this scene. Together with the dialogue, it's a little bit too on the nose IMHO.
Isn't chestbursting in Alien 3 on cue as well? Both the dog/ox scene as well as Ripley's demise?
To be honest my initial response was "What the f*ck is it doing? Why are its hands up in the air like it's at a rave?"
But when I watch it now it's really a beautiful moment, but it took me a lot of watches...
I liked the effects in this shot and I guess Oram deserved what he got.
Quote from: Prof. a on Dec 17, 2017, 10:41:26 PMA multi-dimensional view fleshes out motivations - but some fans like one dimensional portraits.
Why do we need multi-dimensional portraits of a parasitical space monster? We know it's motivations.
IMO the scene could of worked just as well with a typical chestburster. David is the one with poetic delusions, so the first birth would of been momentous to him regardless.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Feb 17, 2018, 09:31:23 AM
Quote from: Prof. a on Dec 17, 2017, 10:41:26 PMA multi-dimensional view fleshes out motivations - but some fans like one dimensional portraits.
Why do we need multi-dimensional portraits of a parasitical space monster? We know it's motivations.
IMO the scene could of worked just as well with a typical chestburster. David is the one with poetic delusions, so the first birth would of been momentous to him regardless.
It's obvious they really wanted the baby xeno to raise it's hands up like David. :laugh:
I do wish they used a classic chestburster, or at least a design that doesn't make the classic look redundant. I like the atmosphere they were going for, though the little guy still looked wrong to me, that change was unnecessary.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Feb 17, 2018, 11:41:02 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Feb 17, 2018, 09:31:23 AM
Quote from: Prof. a on Dec 17, 2017, 10:41:26 PMA multi-dimensional view fleshes out motivations - but some fans like one dimensional portraits.
Why do we need multi-dimensional portraits of a parasitical space monster? We know it's motivations.
IMO the scene could of worked just as well with a typical chestburster. David is the one with poetic delusions, so the first birth would of been momentous to him regardless.
It's obvious they really wanted the baby xeno to raise it's hands up like David. :laugh:
I do wish they used a classic chestburster, or at least a design that doesn't make the classic look redundant. I like the atmosphere they were going for, though the little guy still looked wrong to me, that change was unnecessary.
Well in the book the damn thing whistled. It was supposes to demonstrate the Xenomorph's ability to create or even try compared to Walter.
Whistled?! What the hell? I did not know this at all, what were they thinking? I get the intention, but an alien whistling is something I never want to hear.
Reminds me of the Giger flute idea where air would blow across holes in the Aliens body to make music.
Completely forgot about that. Maybe if it sounded very creepy it could be effective? Still not too fond of the idea IMHO. Though at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Scott makes that a permanent feature. As far as new ideas go, I'll take whistling over super regeneration any day.
Didn't like it. Borderline cringe-worthy.
Quote from: SM on Feb 17, 2018, 11:03:18 PM
Reminds me of the Giger flute idea where air would blow across holes in the Aliens body to make music.
This sounds cool, dig it.
That was a concept I don't think I've ever been too keen on. It's definitely interesting and different but I don't know, it just seems a little silly to me. Is there any creature in nature that does that?
Not off the top of my head, but if it sounds like that f**ked-up flute noise in the Covenant soundtrack I could dig it.
It sounds like it would be creepy cinematically - but wouldn't make a great deal of sense otherwise.
The first rule of Motion Tracker club ...
Come on, how cool would it be if the Alien nailed some poor bastard and it made the sad trombone noise?
Imagine the Dragon charging at people making the Inception bwaaaa noise.
I was thinking more from a freaky shit my pants point of view. It's dark, I can't see anything , but these weird tones seem to be getting louder.....
An actual musical tune would be silly, but some flute/sax/trombone sounds....
It's so weird it would freak me out. Sound is iconic, lightsabers, predator clicks, Phasers ....
I could get with a weird noise but not actual music. But it would have to be iconic and that's hard these days.
Like crickets or cycades it sounds like they're everywhere and even if it's just one, it's hard to home in on the source of the sound.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2018, 09:08:25 AM
That was a concept I don't think I've ever been too keen on. It's definitely interesting and different but I don't know, it just seems a little silly to me. Is there any creature in nature that does that?
No animals that I know of. Do think there's a plant or seed pod or something that creates a weird noise when the wind blows through.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2018, 11:00:55 AM
Imagine the Dragon charging at people making the Inception bwaaaa noise.
I think that's an actual song played really slow. Thought it was a classical music tune that gets used in the movie. But it sounds so slow because of the dream time thing.
Honestly i actually find this idea fascinating, but it probably would be very hard to execute it without being cheesy...
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Feb 19, 2018, 08:34:44 PM
I think that's an actual song played really slow. Thought it was a classical music tune that gets used in the movie. But it sounds so slow because of the dream time thing.
Je ne regrette rien, which plays throughout the movie in regular time as well.
Might be better for another creature than the xeno.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2018, 09:37:13 PMJe ne regrette rien, which plays throughout the movie in regular time as well.
That'll be it. Probably the best way of getting new sounds is changing existing ones.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2018, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Feb 19, 2018, 08:34:44 PM
I think that's an actual song played really slow. Thought it was a classical music tune that gets used in the movie. But it sounds so slow because of the dream time thing.
Je ne regrette rien, which plays throughout the movie in regular time as well.
Yeah this was a really awesome idea because of the different timings in the levels.
Doesn't this idea come from Alien? Because you hear that weird insect kinda sound whenever the alien is on screen.
Quote from: SM on Feb 17, 2018, 11:03:18 PM
Reminds me of the Giger flute idea where air would blow across holes in the Aliens body to make music.
perhaps a 'musical piping with notes extending over a wide range'. :)
So it's a murderous pipe organ? The back tubes take on a whole new meaning...
its a rape flute-
The back of the Alien always reminded a bit of an organ though.
We finally know what the back tubes are for. :laugh:
I thought it was only there for anyone to grab and ride it :laugh:
Well that conjures an interesting image... Preds riding xenos like ponies! :laugh:
Though I really first thought how that was an obvious flaw, if you got the alien from behind and hang on, it would be hard for it to grab you, but then I remembered that awesome tail. There is no safe direction to approach an alien from.
Lol, only David can ride them.
Perhaps they are like luggage holders to carry the host back to hive for insemination
Quote from: David Weyland on Feb 26, 2018, 10:28:52 PM
Perhaps they are like luggage holders to carry the host back to hive for insemination
The old Leading Edge Aliens RPG said exactly that. Webs would shoot out of the tubes to hold the victim in place. Then the alien would have its hands free to climb easily.
Didn't know that, that would be such a cool idea, though the tube shapes don't really seem like a good way to hold the host but I guess the webbing would help.
'It's like something we haven't seen yet..' :laugh:
When that moment happened I was actually sitting there with both hands in my face thinking ( this is actually worse than newborn)
I get everyone's problem with it. But I think it's actually one of the few things straight from Giger. I haven't the slightest idea if he would approve of the scene itself, but he always insisted that the Alien was a kind of beautiful thing, so the creation of the first of its kind (at least to David), is that its a beautiful thing not unlike what HR Giger thought of his initial creation and his work on Alien 3.
It's a stretch but I think it's a reference to Giger's belief that the beast was, in its own way, beautiful. And almost sort of a posthumous tribute to him.
Yeah, which is why I kinda like the scene even though it's a bit cheesy. They're trying to show things from David's perspective, and of course he thinks it's beautiful. I like that.
It's a scene that, alongside David's lab and his drawings, just screams that David is the filmic embodiment of Giger. So what's not to like?
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 27, 2018, 11:48:33 PM
Yeah, which is why I kinda like the scene even though it's a bit cheesy. They're trying to show things from David's perspective, and of course he thinks it's beautiful. I like that.
I think Covenant overal would be a much better movie if the entirety of it was shown through Walter and David's perspective. One, where he's treated with some dignity by his crew and the other... well, it's David! With the humans just kinda going back and forth in the background doing their thing, stuff we've seen too many times in other Alien movies and since they're all gonna die anyway, why even bother trying to flesh them out? Would've helped the scene in question make more sense, since it came a bit out of left field, though it was pretty obvious we were seeing things from David's perspective.
Also one of the reasons why I wanted David's introduction aboard the Prometheus to be longer, so that his loneliness and time to have his own thoughts and ideas would become more apparent. And because the ship looked frickin' great and I wanted more time to glimpse at it.
Why do you not like this scene? I love it. David finnaly sees the birth of his (child). You can see he's so happy. The music is perfection. Its like the xeno knows he,s his father.