This August it will be ten years since the release of Alien Vs. Predator. Man, time really flies fast. ;D
Do you think FOX could have something planned for this day? Maybe announcing a new Special Edition? A 3D Blu-Ray? A sequel or reboot? How cool would that be? Of course this is just speculation but I'm kinda excited about this. :)
I doubt they have anything special planned.
What Kimarhi said.
*parp*
You know, I actually considered on making a thread about this but you beat me to it Scree.
I honestly doubt that Fox would have anything planned for one half of the black sheep of the film franchises, but that doesn't mean that fans (no matter if they are in the minority of opinion) can't do anything to celebrate it in their own way.
I think it has more to do with the time released out. Didn't Alien have to wait till its 25th anniversary to get all its special treatments and the quad release?
Ain't nobody going to be caring about this flick in another 15 years.
I was watching a RE flick yesterday - Retribution I think. Fairly excrutiating. Only other RE film I've seen was the first one and that was crap too. I do like some of Paulie's stuff (AvP was rubbish, but way better than either RE flick. Gave up on 3 Musketeers about 20 minutes in), but how do these flicks make so much money?
Maybe. I have found that the younger generation reflect fondly on the first AvP.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 04, 2014, 12:04:51 AM
Maybe. I have found that the younger generation reflect fondly on the first AvP.
How younger are we talking?
I first saw the film when I was sixteen.. Ten years later, I still enjoy it.
Quote from: SM on Apr 04, 2014, 12:03:51 AM
Ain't nobody going to be caring about this flick in another 15 years.
I was watching a RE flick yesterday - Retribution I think. Fairly excrutiating. Only other RE film I've seen was the first one and that was crap too. I do like some of Paulie's stuff (AvP was rubbish, but way better than either RE flick. Gave up on 3 Musketeers about 20 minutes in), but how do these flicks make so much money?
Its a little unfair to judge a late episode of a film series in seclusion when they all form a single narative.... not that they are good.
And while the Musketeers film was pretty naff, I actually quite liked that it threw the source material out the window and ploughed into steam punk, it was never going to compete with previous versions if it played it straight.
In answer to your question: They make money because they are cheap to make (Resident evil actually exploited tax loopholes and goverment grants to the point it would have made a profit even if it had utterly flopped) hang themselves on a recognisable name, have action packed trailers and your average cinema goer these days is a heavy TV watcher who has already had taste and their ability to pay attention to what is on the screen (and any awareness of subtext) hammered out of their tiny minds. They don't care if the film is good, they see it because it was advertised and had action scenes, and forget about it in a few months to be freshly excited by the DvD release.
QuoteIts a little unfair to judge a late episode of a film series in seclusion when they all form a single narative.... not that they are good.
I'm judging the first one too.
It's problem - along with Musketeers and Soldier for that matter- is that everything looks so fake. It's such an obvious movie set, and not a terribly convincing one.
However then you get Event Horizon or AvP or even Death Race, where the sets look infinitely more 'real'. I don't get the inconsistency of one film looking expensive and another looking so cheap.
QuoteIn answer to your question: They make money because they are cheap to make (Resident evil actually exploited tax loopholes and goverment grants to the point it would have made a profit even if it had utterly flopped) hang themselves on a recognisable name, have action packed trailers and your average cinema goer these days is a heavy TV watcher who has already had taste and their ability to pay attention to what is on the screen (and any awareness of subtext) hammered out of their tiny minds. They don't care if the film is good, they see it because it was advertised and had action scenes, and forget about it in a few months to be freshly excited by the DvD release.
I get how they make money - I don't get how they make
so much, even being based off a popular video game. Each has made more than the previous installment up to the fourth that made nearly $300m and then the fifth nearly $250m. And yet it seems hard to find someone who'll say a good word about them.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 03, 2014, 10:15:25 PM
You know, I actually considered on making a thread about this but you beat me to it Scree.
I honestly doubt that Fox would have anything planned for one half of the black sheep of the film franchises, but that doesn't mean that fans (no matter if they are in the minority of opinion) can't do anything to celebrate it in their own way.
Hehe sorry, my friend.
Yeah, I guess so. There probably won't be any news on that day regarding anything related to AVP. So I think I'm just gonna have my own little celebration then. Gonna get some beer and popcorn and pop in the DVD. Maybe I'll do a double-feature watching AVP and AVP:R. Yes, that's gonna be sweet. 8)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 04, 2014, 12:41:17 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 04, 2014, 12:04:51 AM
Maybe. I have found that the younger generation reflect fondly on the first AvP.
How younger are we talking?
I first saw the film when I was sixteen.. Ten years later, I still enjoy it.
Yeah, add to that I was six when I first saw it, loved it and then ten years later I hate it.
When you see a film has nothing to do with how good it is IMO.
Quote from: Scree on Apr 04, 2014, 08:18:39 AM
Yeah, I guess so. There probably won't be any news on that day regarding anything related to AVP. So I think I'm just gonna have my own little celebration then. Gonna get some beer and popcorn and pop in the DVD. Maybe I'll do a double-feature watching AVP and AVP:R. Yes, that's gonna be sweet. 8)
By all means, throw in some popcorn in the microwave and pop it.. Put the films on and watch to your hearts content. If you know any like minded people who liked the films (or the first one anyway..), then ask if they want to watch a movie and invite them.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Apr 04, 2014, 03:33:50 PM
Yeah, add to that I was six when I first saw it, loved it and then ten years later I hate it.
Opinions can change over time, I suppose. But then again, different strokes for different folks.
first one was ok, had some decent ideas.
Veps I feel lied to you are supposed to be young not old as shit. My life is a lie.
I'll stream this piece of shit on the US release date from 10 years ago.
ah shit
I would love it if they did have something, but I only watched this recently and the Special Edition DVD was really, really packed with extras and commentaries. I'm not sure what else they could add to a re-release.
A Lucas style redux that sets the film on another planet in the future.
Ridley Scott and James Cameron were proposing Alien 5 but Fox went with this shit instead. Or something like that. It's like an anniversary of a huge disaster.
Supposedly a 5 and 6 filmed back to back with Cameron/Scott in control of the story and both of them set to direct one of the two movies.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 08, 2014, 05:38:58 PM
Supposedly a 5 and 6 filmed back to back with Cameron/Scott in control of the story and both of them set to direct one of the two movies.
Damn... Just damn. That's one great opportunity we'll never see again.
If I remember the little book that talked about it right Scott was actually going to do the big action movie and Cameron was going to do the slow horror paced one.
I think the first one had something to do with them going to an Alien homeplanet and then their ship being disabled where one Alien dogs the rest of the crew.
There was also a proposed Alien 5 that was basically a ripoff of Aliens where a crew of Marines board a space elevator on Earth and have to stop an Alien infestation where the Aliens are trying to go level by level to get planetside.
I can't remember the books name was as its in Hopkinsville, not here with me in Lexington.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Apr 06, 2014, 10:50:14 PM
I'll stream this piece of shit on the US release date from 10 years ago.
Why would you watch a movie if you don't like it? I do appreciate your support however. :)
The hype for this movie was huge. I was 13 in the 8th grade when this movie came out and I remember being so hype up for it. It took me a while for notice how bad it was. I was too blinded by my fanboy vision just like how I was with AVPR.
I understand that there are a lot of haters for the AvP movies.. Requiem aside, there are folks out there who happen to actually like AvP. Or rather the first one anyway. Guys, you have your PREDATORS, you have your Prometheus.. let the folks who like AvP have AvP. We need to accept these films happened, and move on. Let the folks who like this movie celebrate it.
Is anyone stopping them?
Quote from: SM on May 12, 2014, 01:11:06 AM
Is anyone stopping them?
No but I have seen some fans off-site and on various other communities sort of shame the fans who enjoyed AvP. A lot of fandoms out there do that, but in this case it's something which I wanted to voice out on.
Anyone remember the hype on the old AVP forums and Planet AVP. I recall Darkness shut down the site after the movie sucking so bad.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on May 12, 2014, 01:46:07 AM
Anyone remember the hype on the old AVP forums and Planet AVP. I recall Darkness shut down the site after the movie sucking so bad.
I remember PlanetAvP, and as for the old AvPGalaxy, I remember the shut down but if you read Darkness' re-review, he says it's not as bad as he initially remembered it. It wasn't the movie which he wanted and it could've been a bit more, but it's not as bad as he originally remembered it. And as for the shut down, I've heard a couple things.. either Fox pulled their funding or Darkness over-reacted. At this point, it's in the past and not worth kicking an old and tired horse.
:D Fox dont fund us, never have. They used to own the old AvPNews domain and thats why that shut down. But AvPG was shutdown due to Darkness' s disappointment.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 18, 2014, 08:52:05 AM
:D Fox dont fund us, never have. They used to own the old AvPNews domain and thats why that shut down.
That's the site that Fox shut down? My mistake then.
That some epic history... thank god the only thing he shutdown was the website. That must have been one hell of a dark time. :laugh:
I'll try to rewatch the films. Life tends to get in the way of plans but I will make an effort. I try to watch all the movies at least once a year if I can.
I think what RakaiThwei is saying is that people forget how to phrase their opinions to not attack their opponents. Out of respect, we should be mindful of this. We're all on here for the enjoyment of our favorite franchises so let's encourage it! Have fun, you know?
I was thinking about this yesterday, so I took out the Unrated copy I own and watched it and I still like it...
Anyone else find it a bit of a coincidence that Universal and Fox are collaborating for the AvP Haunted House for Halloween Horror Nights a couple months after the first AvP debuted? I know that there is an Alien anniversary happening which is sort of a big deal but is this Fox's way of indirectly celebrating AvP as well?
Very indirectly since there doesn't seem to be any mention of a 10 year anniversary in the marketing.
Quote from: SM on Aug 05, 2014, 07:22:20 AM
Very indirectly since there doesn't seem to be any mention of a 10 year anniversary in the marketing.
Seems as if they're going to be heavily referencing the AvP movies for this attraction according to Universal Studios. Interestingly enough, this attraction is going to be set in Central America in a Weyland-Yutani facility. Also interesting enough, the Predators are referred to as Yautja for the marketing in this attraction.
http://blog.universalorlando.com/whats-new/alien-vs-predator-halloween-horror-nights-24/ (http://blog.universalorlando.com/whats-new/alien-vs-predator-halloween-horror-nights-24/)
Central America and a WY facility sounds like they're referencing everything BUT the AvP movies.
Quote from: SM on Aug 05, 2014, 08:19:37 AM
Central America and a WY facility sounds like they're referencing everything BUT the AvP movies.
According to the Universal Studios blogger:
It promises to be action packed with a slew of horrifying moments that are iconic to the Alien vs. Predator films.Take that as you will though.
The AvP films had a marked lack of Central American jungles and WY facilities. Unlike, say, Predator and Aliens. They'd be better focusing on them, rather than the generally disdained AvP flicks.
Quote from: SM on Aug 05, 2014, 08:23:31 AM
The AvP films had a marked lack of Central American jungles and WY facilities. Unlike, say, Predator and Aliens. They'd be better focusing on them, rather than the generally disdained AvP flicks.
Like I said, take that as you will. Besides it's not like going to impacting canon in anyway.
That's neither here nor there. It's just better to market the thing based on the films that are universally loved.
Happy 10 Years!
For the International Release at least. Happy 10 Years Eve for those of us from the states.
Ten years of Alien vs. Predator! I remember going to see this film and ironically.. it was released on Friday the 13th of August of 2004. I still have my tickets when I saw this film, and I remember keeping track on this film over at PlanetyAvP and of course AvPGalaxy. Unpopular opinion, I really liked this movie and while we are getting a haunted house attraction for it as a way to celebrate it's ten year anniversary.. I just sorely wish that it's storyline would've been continued.
Happy 10 Years, AvP.. Even if I'm probably going be the only one and MrSpaceJockey along as well wishing a Happy Anniversary.
You never know what will happen off the back Predator 4. If it does really well, bet money that a suit will put two and two together and think of reviving the franchise. I'm with you, btw - I feel that the vehement hatred directed at AvP is something of an over-reaction.
Quote from: Russ on Aug 13, 2014, 05:11:58 AM
You never know what will happen off the back Predator 4. If it does really well, bet money that a suit will put two and two together and think of reviving the franchise. I'm with you, btw - I feel that the vehement hatred directed at AvP is something of an over-reaction.
While the upcoming Predator and Prometheus movies are all fine and dandy.. I would love to see an AvP3. I don't want a reboot, I want a sequel to the storyline which AvP: Alien vs Predator gave us. I also don't want said AvP3 sequel to tie into PREDATORS or the Prometheus movies either, infact it would be hard to tie it into the latter. But if people really want to forget AvP-R (and I understand why) then if Fox plans on reviving the franchise, then at least make a movie that REPLACES AvP-R.
While I do have sentimental and even fond memories when the first AvP came out.. My feelings towards the franchises have become bitter-sweet. The only good and kind thing which Fox has done for the AvP movie franchise is of course the haunted house attraction. Everything else is likely to ignore the movies and carry on. And.. that bothers me. It leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth but at the same time I'm grateful for the haunted house attraction at Universal. Everything else not so much and I'm left with a sense of apprehensiveness.
And I'm glad you see it the same way I do Russ.. The vehement hatred for AvP is perhaps an over-reaction but on the AvPGalaxy forums, it is a very popular thing to do. And looking at the poll results.. The majority of votes on viewer ratings give the movie a 3/5. That suggest most viewers see it as quite an average film. That seems about right in my book, though I rated it a little higher.
It's been ten years... And in those ten years we've got PREDATORS, and Prometheus. For the haters, you've got those movies. It's been ten years since AvP came out, and I think we need to make peace with this movie. Ten years is a long time to hold a grudge.
Calling a bad movie, a bad movie, isn't holding a grudge.
It's simply calling a bad movie, a bad movie.
Because we all waited forever for this film to come out and it was a huge let down. I'm sure you guys are the typical "just glad it was made" group that didn't really care what it was like. That's the problem. Anyway thanks to Requiem it's nowhere near as bad as that.
I didn't even bother with going to see AvP in theatres, it sounded so dreadful.
Took months and months before I got round to watching it on VHS.
Which justified my earlier decision.
I'm a relatively easy person to entertain, and it's pretty hard to have a movie making me leaving out of the theatre angry but there are a few movies that have done that to me. AvP was not one of those films, and I enjoyed it because it was supposed to be a monster mash up. And that's what I got with the movie. I was pleased with it. I understand if you don't share the same sentiments. That's fine and reasonably understandable, if you didn't like the movie you didn't like it. Different strokes for different folks.
Was it the ideal AvP movie which I would've liked to have which would've been set in space or a colonized world? No, absolutely not. I think it's safe to say that it would've been a treat to have that, and we should've got that. But the powers that be didn't want to use Briggs script, they didn't want to set it on another planet or in space.. Could Briggs' AvP lived up to our expectations? Hard to say.
As much as it pains me to say this, but aside from the haunted house.. I think that is the only thing Fox is going to do that somehow relates to the AvP movies. After that, they're probably going to bury it. Probably do what Peter Laird did when Next Mutation ended was by mandating a rule that a certain entry in the series never be brought up again.
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 13, 2014, 05:34:39 AM
I'm sure you guys are the typical "just glad it was made" group that didn't really care what it was like. That's the problem.
Can I ask exactly what do you exactly mean by that?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 13, 2014, 05:27:43 AM
Quote from: Russ on Aug 13, 2014, 05:11:58 AM
You never know what will happen off the back Predator 4. If it does really well, bet money that a suit will put two and two together and think of reviving the franchise. I'm with you, btw - I feel that the vehement hatred directed at AvP is something of an over-reaction.
While the upcoming Predator and Prometheus movies are all fine and dandy.. I would love to see an AvP3. I don't want a reboot, I want a sequel to the storyline which AvP: Alien vs Predator gave us. I also don't want said AvP3 sequel to tie into PREDATORS or the Prometheus movies either, infact it would be hard to tie it into the latter. But if people really want to forget AvP-R (and I understand why) then if Fox plans on reviving the franchise, then at least make a movie that REPLACES AvP-R.
While I do have sentimental and even fond memories when the first AvP came out.. My feelings towards the franchises have become bitter-sweet. The only good and king thing which Fox has done for the AvP movie franchise is of course the haunted house attraction. Everything else is likely to ignore the movies and carry on. And.. that bothers me. It leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth but at the same time I'm grateful for the haunted house attraction at Universal. Everything else not so much and I'm left with a sense of apprehensiveness.
And I'm glad you see it the same way I do Russ.. The vehement hatred for AvP is perhaps an over-reaction but on the AvPGalaxy forums, it is a very popular thing to do. And looking at the poll results.. The majority of votes on viewer ratings give the movie a 3/5. That suggest most viewers see it as quite an average film. That seems about right in my book, though I rated it a little higher.
It's been ten years... And in those ten years we've got PREDATORS, and Prometheus. For the haters, you've got those movies. It's been ten years since AvP came out, and I think we need to make peace with this movie. Ten years is a long time to hold a grudge.
I'd like to seem the complete the trilogy too, but AvP:R, whilst being profitable, wasn't well loved. I reckon if they did do it, it'd be a reboot - or like Predators, merely just reference "what happened in Gunnison".
Things are (relatively) cheaper now, though - maybe they could do the Space Marines vs Predators and Aliens thing that most wanted and expected?
In any event - Prometheus and Predator 4 are pretty indicative that there's life in the old dogs yet - but I do think a potential revival would lean heavily on Predator 4's success. If it wins... I'm really confident that AvP (in some form or another) will be back.
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 13, 2014, 05:34:39 AM
Because we all waited forever for this film to come out and it was a huge let down. I'm sure you guys are the typical "just glad it was made" group that didn't really care what it was like. That's the problem. Anyway thanks to Requiem it's nowhere near as bad as that.
For you it was a let down. I really enjoyed it, it had some great ideas behind it even if the execution wasn't perfect. You should watch the (exhaustive) making of and commentaries on the DvD - they really do give some great context around the making of the film and why they made certain decisions. They talk a lot about Prague and the budgets and all that - it's really interesting.
Quote from: Russ on Aug 13, 2014, 05:56:06 AM
I'd like to seem the complete the trilogy too, but AvP:R, whilst being profitable, wasn't well loved. I reckon if they did do it, it'd be a reboot - or like Predators, merely just reference "what happened in Gunnison".
I would love to see an AvP3 happen and form a complete trilogy while also establishing the AvP movies as a parallel but separate universe to the solo Predator and Alien movies. Sure AvP-R was profitable and while it wasn't well recieved, I really do believe a third movie in the right hands might redeem the franchise. Third time is the charm, they say.. And I wouldn't mind if they did what PREDATORS did for the original Predator, merely reference the Gunnison incident off-handedly and leave it. Infact, ROCKY BALBOA, while said to ignore Rocky V, off-handedly referenced it in a throw-away line. If AvP3 happened and did something like that, I'd be fine with it.
Quote from: Russ on Aug 13, 2014, 05:56:06 AM
In any event - Prometheus and Predator 4 are pretty indicative that there's life in the old dogs yet - but I do think a potential revival would lean heavily on Predator 4's success. If it wins... I'm really confident that AvP (in some form or another) will be back.
There are already talks of Alien 5 happening, and according to one of the new Alien book writers, Fox apparently was considering it. It's not out of the question they would do something with the Alien franchise. And for what Shane Black's movie could go.. It remains up in the air. For all we know he might ignore PREDATORS (God, I can only pray) and continue off of Predator 2. Some have even question if it might continue off the AvP films but that's not likely. Not impossible but not likely.
If Fox does want to revive the AvP movie franchise, it might end up being a reboot rather than a sequel. So far Fox seems to be paying a lot closer attention to their franchise films.. Not just Alien-Predator. X-Men: Days of Futures Past effectively erased the original three movies out of continuity and kept only First Class. So Fox is changing their continuity policies as of late.
QuoteCan I ask exactly what do you exactly mean by that?
He means there is a crowd of people whose mantra is 'We should think ourselves lucky we got any AvP movie', of which he believes certain people in this thread are a part.
This mantra is often countered with 'You're the reason we can't have nice things'.
QuoteYou should watch the (exhaustive) making of and commentaries on the DvD - they really do give some great context around the making of the film and why they made certain decisions. They talk a lot about Prague and the budgets and all that - it's really interesting.
All that means is Paulie was able to make a cheap film look expensive. Doesn't make up for a shithouse script.
But overall it would be beneficial to future filmmakers as 'Exhibit A in how not to do it'.
QuoteThird time is the charm, they say..
Like with Predators?
QuoteThere are already talks of Alien 5 happening
What talk?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 13, 2014, 06:07:04 AM
There are already talks of Alien 5 happening, and according to one of the new Alien book writers, Fox apparently was considering it.
That'll make the canon heads spin, for sure *lol* - I wonder if A:5 would supersede Prometheus in terms of that. Then again, lurking around on this forum has convinced me that Fox doesn't care about canon really. They should release a song and replace the word "awesome" with "canon" - "everything is canon, everything is cool and part of AvP"
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 13, 2014, 06:07:04 AM
If Fox does want to revive the AvP movie franchise, it might end up being a reboot rather than a sequel.
Yes, as I say above - I reckon you're spot on, though the nerd in me would
like to see references to Gunnison and "what happened in Antarctica."
QuoteThen again, lurking around on this forum has convinced me that Fox doesn't care about canon really.
That may have been the case in the past. Not so much of late.
Quote from: SM on Aug 13, 2014, 06:14:25 AM
He means there is a crowd of people whose mantra is 'We should think ourselves lucky we got any AvP movie', of which he believes certain people in this thread are a part.
This mantra is often countered with 'You're the reason we can't have nice things'.
That's fine and dandy! Mind directing me where I can turn in my fan membership card then? :D
Quote from: Russ on Aug 13, 2014, 06:16:54 AM
Then again, lurking around on this forum has convinced me that Fox doesn't care about canon really. They should release a song and replace the word "awesome" with "canon" - "everything is canon, everything is cool and part of AvP"
Well as of recently Fox seems to be getting more hands on with the Alien-Predator media and I would think that their stances on canon has changed. And I've mentioned that this doesn't really just apply to Alien-Predator, but some other franchise films of theirs such as the X-Men series and I'm going to assume the upcoming Fantastic Four reboot will try and keep in line with the X-Men movies since they are now the same universe.
Thing is with Alien and Predator.. they were never intended to be the same universe. And I think that's where a part of the issue lies in, and while the comics were great and did a good job.. It was mostly transplanting the Predator into the Alien timeline, and a lot of fans will tell you comics are just comics.. Not meant to be seen as part of the true story.
Quote from: SM on Aug 13, 2014, 06:14:25 AM
All that means is Paulie was able to make a cheap film look expensive. Doesn't make up for a shithouse script.
But overall it would be beneficial to future filmmakers as 'Exhibit A in how not to do it'.
Making a cheap film that turns in oodles of cash is exactly how you should do it, surely. Hence, Anderson's continued output.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 13, 2014, 06:26:00 AM
Well as of recently Fox seems to be getting more hands on with the Alien-Predator media and I would think that their stances on canon has changed. And I've mentioned that this doesn't really just apply to Alien-Predator, but some other franchise films of theirs such as the X-Men series and I'm going to assume the upcoming Fantastic Four reboot will try and keep in line with the X-Men movies since they are now the same universe.
I didn't know that - so maybe I'll get the A:CM movie I always dreamed of! *lol*
So they're following the Marvel template then - that's a good thing, really.
As for AvP never being intended to be in part of the same 'verse... I remember
that thread - it went on for zillions pages, man! I started off as "they could be" and ended up with "OK, I get they're not!"
Addendum to Exhibit A - "(If you want lots of people to not shitcan your movie and ask you to make more of them)"
Quote from: Russ on Aug 13, 2014, 06:26:56 AM
As for AvP never being intended to be in part of the same 'verse... I remember that thread - it went on for zillions pages, man! I started off as "they could be" and ended up with "OK, I get they're not!"
You referring to the Multiverse thread I made and inquired about all of that there?
It still disappointments me. It's not the worse movie I've ever seen (that goes to Shrooms/Green Lantern/Keith Lemon) but it's not the AvP film we wanted. I still want a reboot. Completely scrap those 2 films and go it properly - future, space, Colonial Marines, brutal. More importantly though, good suits and well balanced representations of the creatures.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 13, 2014, 06:39:05 AM
You referring to the Multiverse thread I made and inquired about all of that there?
The very one - it was a great thread, well made.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2014, 07:12:28 AM
Completely scrap those 2 films and go it properly - future, space, Colonial Marines, brutal. More importantly though, good suits and well balanced representations of the creatures.
I think that Colonial Marines thing is the obvious choice. Well, it is to people on this forum at least. I'd love know what Fox feel about it.
Someone on here had a brilliant idea - like a space Guantanamo bay where inmates have to team up with Marines against the Predators (and Aliens of course).
Quote from: Russ on Aug 13, 2014, 08:18:14 AM
The very one - it was a great thread, well made.
Honestly, I would love it if Fox had made it publically official that there are separate but parallel universes. Do what the Godzilla franchise did for the Showa, Heisei and Millenium series.. or do what the Halloween franchise did with the alternate timelines, although I think that it unintentionally has the latter happening already though no one save a few acknowledges that.
I would think that it would satisfy everyone. Well, almost everyone.
Quote from: Russ on Aug 13, 2014, 08:18:14 AM
I think that Colonial Marines thing is the obvious choice. Well, it is to people on this forum at least. I'd love know what Fox feel about it.
Someone on here had a brilliant idea - like a space Guantanamo bay where inmates have to team up with Marines against the Predators (and Aliens of course).
We would all love to see the return of the Colonial Marines but I wouldn't hold my breath. Again, not impossible but unlikely at this point in time. And while that would definitely please a lot of fans on this forum.. I'm mildly curious to how Fox would feel about that as well. It seems like a risk that they wouldn't be willing to take.. A risk which should have been taken years ago.. I'd say as far back as to 1995 when people were championing the movie to get made.
I've never heard about someone's Guantanamo Bay in Space idea.. However I've heard great things about Sil's script. If AvP is going to be rebooted or have another sequel.. Sil's script is the way to go.
This movie really grew on me with the years, I still hate the teaming up part but the movie was mostly well made.The setting in Antartica and the pyramid were the best parts of the movie. The way it was filmed was also very reminding of the alien films and it all came together with a great atmosphere. I also enjoyed the backstory of the predators. The actors did a solid job and it was nice to have Lance Henrikssen, Sanaa Lathan and Ewen Bremner holding up the cast. The aliens looked really good aswell although the predators looked kind of chunky and like actors didn't quite fit the suits. The director's cut made it even better with a little more character development and a few extra tidbits.
It could have been a lot worse, like AVP-R, which is in my experience, one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Horribly filmed, no atmosphere or exciting setting, terrible terrible acting and really stupid plot with nothing interesting to add.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 13, 2014, 08:47:13 AM
We would all love to see the return of the Colonial Marines but I wouldn't hold my breath. Again, not impossible but unlikely at this point in time. And while that would definitely please a lot of fans on this forum.. I'm mildly curious to how Fox would feel about that as well. It seems like a risk that they wouldn't be willing to take.. A risk which should have been taken years ago.. I'd say as far back as to 1995 when people were championing the movie to get made.
I've never heard about someone's Guantanamo Bay in Space idea.. However I've heard great things about Sil's script. If AvP is going to be rebooted...
The weird thing - some of us remember what soldiers looked like in 86... and what they look like now. The whole body armour "look" isn't that far away from Cameron's team. (even the neck protectors - ok, modern ones look more like ww2 german helmets, but I don't remember those in the 80s. I'll have to google image search now)
That aside - agggh... its agonising. Pulse rifles vs plasma casters and all that - it'd be epic.
I've not read Sil's script, but I'm a firm believer in "follow your dreams" (assuming that SiL isn't already a paid up screenwriter working in the industry and has a realistic chance of doing this through "the business.") then it could be worth pursing.
That said, I think one would need an agent first to get a look in at this massive property?
I do know its pretty hard to get a shot doing anything like that as an "unknown" - sending unsolicited material is a minefiled, I think - there's the legal issues of copyright, but for me the bigger scare is that in many studios fine print is a line about owning the property. Let's say I send my "Expendabelles" script to Lionsgate (unsolicited). I'm pretty sure that some reserve the right to take and use in whatever, way, shape or form they want (I remember a line on one site about "present and yet to be invented media" - talk about covering your arse!)."
I used to think that "if it was good, they'll surely just say "this guy is great, let's use his stuff." But I really think the reality is "this stuff is great, lets get it re-written by someone we know!" I don't know why that's the case as most new scriptwriters would be happy at getting the thing made and work for buttons to do it. But, from my very limited experience, that seems to be how it does work.
However, I love it when things like SiLs script happen, so don't stop believing!
SiL's script will never happen.
Unfortunately, 'cos it had solid stuff in it.
Quote from: SM on Aug 13, 2014, 09:49:04 AM
SiL's script will never happen.
Unfortunately, 'cos it had solid stuff in it.
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"Delusion is an imperfection that defiles the mind."
Tell that to JK Rowling. Or indeed, Paul WS Anderson.
I'd love to do something with the script one day, but I won't be in a position to do so for a very long time. There are a couple of bits in it I'm still proud of and will keep forever, even if I have to work them into other ideas, but for the most part, well, it is what it is: a rough draft fan script.
I hope you do, that'd be epic. Even getting into the position to do something would be a major achievement - while these "dream shots" do happen, I think its more likely that someone established would get a shot over someone who isn't, so to get a shot, you'd have to be in "the business" - which'd be brill!
I think I've definitely mellowed a lot since the early days. In the first year of AvP's release, most of my posts ended in various death threats towards Anderson.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 13, 2014, 10:33:39 AM
I'd love to do something with the script one day, but I won't be in a position to do so for a very long time. There are a couple of bits in it I'm still proud of and will keep forever, even if I have to work them into other ideas, but for the most part, well, it is what it is: a rough draft fan script.
Where is this script? I don't think I've had the pleasure.
I change my opinion. This movie is even worst now.
Action in Antarctica? This is soooo cheap. Idea for naive kids.
However - I still prefer much more this weak movie than Prometheus.
At least i can laugh from AVP.
Prometheus is not funny. This is very sad movie about giant squids and bald, agressive guys from space.
Yup I was here, I remember you watching and reviewing the movie then shutting the site down lol good times eh? :)
I was 7 years old when this movie came out. It was also the first Alien/Predator movie I ever saw, though that was some years later.
Even though I'd probably rank it as my 7th or 8th favorite of the franchises, I don't hate it. Part of that is because I had no hype, no anticipation when I first watched it (that same kind of hype led to my colossal disappointment of Prometheus). And consequently I can even find the movie a little nostalgic.
Looking back now there are still some elements I dig about the movie. Like the setting. Antarctica's the most isolated place on Earth, and I liked how the scenes with the abandoned whaling station lit only by the flares/flashlights looked, so I think it was a great setting choice for the ALIEN side of the film. And the ancient pyramids was a link to the continued presence of the Predators in human history, so that was cool for the Predator side of the film. I still like the concept of Predators hunting prey in a constantly shifting maze of a pyramid. The idea of seeing Weyland and his original company was pretty cool (pre-Prometheus retcon). And the fight scenes were decent, at the least.
Finally, it's not AvP: R.
Quote from: Russ on Aug 13, 2014, 10:30:55 AM
Tell that to JK Rowling. Or indeed, Paul WS Anderson.
Because both Rowling and Anderson started their careers writing fanfic.
:laugh:
lolnope
I thought it was the worst Alien film when it was released. The funny thing about the Alien franchise is that it gets worse with every consecutive film that comes out. The only time this didn't happen imo though was when Prometheus came out and was better than AvP: Requiem.
Bitterly disappointed at the cinema. Bad predator costumes. Random selection of acid-vulnerable/acid-proof gear. Silly plot device (pesky humans steal cannons). Badly executed team-up replete with tender moments between Scar and Lex. Hilariously light clothing for Antarctic weather. No explanation of super-fast alien reproductive cycle.
That said...Anderson did get one thing right. He set the movie on the remotest continent of Earth.
And then missed said continent by nearly 2000km.
Quote from: SM on Aug 13, 2014, 10:01:43 PM
Quote from: Russ on Aug 13, 2014, 10:30:55 AM
Tell that to JK Rowling. Or indeed, Paul WS Anderson.
Because both Rowling and Anderson started their careers writing fanfic.
:laugh:
lolnope
lolnope? That doesn't make any sense. I say (paraphrasing) you should try to follow your dreams if you want to be successful (in this instance in a creative endeavor). You say that that's delusional. I cite these two as people who had tried - and succeeded. And you respond that they started out writing fanfiction?
So what if they did? How does that make their success (and I imagine satisfaction) any less real? The person who wrote "Fifty Shades" started off writing Fan Fiction (I think about Twilight) and is now having her novels turned into a movie. I'm sure she gives a shit that people say she started off writing fan-fiction too.
Ultimately, though - from 50 shades lady to Anderson, fanfiction or no, they are living their professional dream. I read on here that you'd like to work to in movies one day - do you? If so, then clearly you tried and succeeded in what you set out to do (at that stage at least); if you don't and have never tried (as you seem to advocate here) then you're never going to work in movies - unless Cameron plucks you off the street to be the next John Connor or something.
Look - at the end of the day, many try, most give up. But some win. Even if they do write fan-fiction. lolyep?
Quotelolnope? That doesn't make any sense. I say (paraphrasing) you should try to follow your dreams if you want to be successful (in this instance in a creative endeavor). You say that that's delusional. I cite these two as people who had tried - and succeeded. And you respond that they started out writing fanfiction?
Context.
You're talking about SiL's script getting made as a legit AvP film. Not going to happen. Not through lack of talent - 'cos he is a talented f**ker - but simply because that isn't the way the world works.
QuoteSo what if they did? How does that make their success (and I imagine satisfaction) any less real? The person who wrote "Fifty Shades" started off writing Fan Fiction (I think about Twilight) and is now having her novels turned into a movie. I'm sure she gives a shit that people say she started off writing fan-fiction too.
Fifty Shades was an original work. Doesn't matter if it started as Twilight fan fic - it's an original story with original characters and no longer fan fic.
QuoteUltimately, though - from 50 shades lady to Anderson, fanfiction or no, they are living their professional dream. I read on here that you'd like to work to in movies one day - do you? If so, then clearly you tried and succeeded in what you set out to do (at that stage at least); if you don't and have never tried (as you seem to advocate here) then you're never going to work in movies - unless Cameron plucks you off the street to be the next John Connor or something.
You've missed the point. I never said 'Dont try'. I said 'Don't expect your fan fic to get picked up by Fox'. They'll call you when they want you; not the other way round. Rowling and Anderson don't have careers because they wrote fan fic.
Quote from: SM on Aug 13, 2014, 10:01:43 PM
Quote from: Russ on Aug 13, 2014, 10:30:55 AM
Tell that to JK Rowling. Or indeed, Paul WS Anderson.
Because both Rowling and Anderson started their careers writing fanfic.
:laugh:
lolnope
Well ironically enough Anderson's avp idea was just his own fan fiction for 10 years...
Every idea for a sequel/prequel/reboot/remake/etc. is basically fan-fiction until it's bought :P
My old script shouldn't be made into a movie, let alone wouldn't -- it's got some serious issues I could never be bothered to fix on account of the whole "It's just fan-fic" thing. I wanted to see if I could write a story that did both creatures justice at the same time -- by all accounts I did. Alas, much of the rest of the script was rather lacking :P
QuoteEvery idea for a sequel/prequel/reboot/remake/etc. is basically fan-fiction until it's bought
When does that happen though? All that stuff is specifically commissioned.
A studio might seek the material, but it's often still pitched by individuals.
EDIT
Oh, right, I said "every". My bad.
I was 13 when this movie came out and AVP felt like it came out four years ago to me. I remember it took me a while to know how awful the movie was. I was very hype up for this movie since I follow the news on Planet AVP and lurk the old AVPG forums for a while. I first saw the movie at Summer Camp. We went to the movie theaters for the field trip and different groups went to see different movies. We can see PG-13 movies if they approve of it.
I remember a guy on the same floor as me being excited about this movie after seeing the trailer. I knew who was directing, so I knew better. Needless to say, only one of us was disappointed.
Sadly this film is just as terrible as it was when it was released. I remember being so hopeful. I also remember the sickening feeling I had as it dragged on with it's bulky Predators, ugly Aliens, terrible plot and beyond silly ending. It's too bad. Paul Anderson is certainly a passionate guy. He really seemed to be thrilled about the film in the pre-release interviews. You could tell he wasn't getting what he wanted as it got closer to coming out though. His enthusiasm in interviews really seemed to be fading. I think it was a case of a director biting off more than he could chew. Maybe what he saw in his head was really cool. Sadly the end result was just plan stupid.
...and if he would've canceled the movie fans would be disappointed .
Three more years until AVPR turns 10. I don't think the hype of Prometheus, Predators and AVP '010 will reach the hype that AVP and AVPR had on this site did.
I wouldn't know myself but really? Prometheus didn't reach those levels of hype?
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 15, 2014, 10:15:27 PM
Three more years until AVPR turns 10.
I can tell you a lot of people won't be celebrating that anniversary but then again, I doubt that there will be an anniversary for that since we're getting the anniversary for AvP already. And I'm fine with that.
I'll tell you what might be in store for the anniversary of AvP-R's tenth.. A mass DVD/Blu-ray burning. ::)
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Aug 15, 2014, 10:30:00 PM
I wouldn't know myself but really? Prometheus didn't reach those levels of hype?
It far exceeded them.
While I didn't enjoy AVP. I loved AVPR. I thought it was a much better movie. We actually see aliens attack civilization. The predalien I thought was great. We got wolf! The score was fantastic. The story I found more interesting. The town kinda (I mean kinda) had a twin peaks vibe to it. I thought the acting was better and the characters more interesting. It's by NO means a great movie but a movie I thought was fun and superior to the first.
QuoteWe actually see aliens attack civilization.
We did?
Quote from: SM on Aug 15, 2014, 11:26:02 PM
QuoteWe actually see aliens attack civilization.
We did?
We saw them attack a small Colorado town and put their babies in pregnant women. It got so bad that the military nuked Gunnison.
Well , the fact that Aliens were attacking civilization didn't attract me so much . I expected to be something more like a ton of Aliens running down the street with people screaming , barricading themselves in their houses and shit like that ...
Quote from: Morgoth on Aug 15, 2014, 11:35:54 PM
It got so bad that the military nuked Gunnison.
When things like this happen , most of the time they nuke cities .
When I heard Paul W S Anderson was directing an AVP movie back in early 2003 I was expecting his movie would be a cross between his PG-13 MORTAL KOMBAT and alien rip off Event Horizon.
When the film came out- that's exactly what I got.
A generous 3/5
I will celebrate, by writing a Scar x Lex fan fiction worthy of an early 2000s quizzila submission.
Quote from: Morgoth on Aug 15, 2014, 11:35:54 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 15, 2014, 11:26:02 PM
QuoteWe actually see aliens attack civilization.
We did?
We saw them attack a small Colorado town and put their babies in pregnant women. It got so bad that the military nuked Gunnison.
Oh, so THAT'S what was happening. I figured there must've been something going on but all I got was bad dialogue and some vaguely dark shapes on the screen.
I watched it opening night, went in with high expectations and left feeling..meh. I did not hate it, i got some enjoyment out of it. I would say i'm very indifferent about it. It's obvious that Anderson wanted to make an "Alien" movie, he said so in all the interviews, it seems that somewhere down the line he got roped into adding Predators.
I love both creatures but it's obvious that the aliens were favored. I liked AVPR a lot more, still not an award winner but better in my opinion. Though one could argue that the Predator is favored more in that one. I think that's the problem with versus films in general. Two great characters that can never be balanced out in a way that will make fans on both sides happy. Freddy vs Jason..same issue.
To the guy who "loved" AVPR:
It will be a cold day in hell before I ever acknowledge another movie that has a xenomorph inside a high school.
Quote from: Frank on Aug 18, 2014, 04:19:21 PM
To the guy who "loved" AVPR:
It will be a cold day in hell before I ever acknowledge another movie that has a xenomorph inside a high school.
So you're not going to watch Fast times at Xenomorph high? ;D
one of the worsed disappointments ive ever experienced in a movie theater . from my hope as a child to see something amazing too seing the avp billboard in hollywood too tha ending eye contact between lex and scar that made me feel foolish and fooled and ripped off. f**k this piece of shit movies anniversary . :-\ :-X
Acting was better?...no. No it wasn't. AVPR has some of the worst acting I've ever seen. Corny, over the top soap opera garbage. With the lead doing some bizarre action Tom Cruise impression...ugh, makes me want to puke. None of the characters were like-able or relatable in any way. The first film had actual actors. No they weren't any good in it either but there is only so much you can do with a bad director, a terrible script and lousy editing. This is a series that contains great actors! Like Sigorney Weaver, Lance Henrikson, Ian Holm, John Hurt, Yaphett Koto, and Charles Dance! Classically trained! Directors like Ridley Scott, James Cameron, David Fincher! Jean-Pierre Juenet! Granted Resurrection sucked but he's still a good director. The reason the franchises are suffering is because of miss-management from the studios and producers like John Davis. They don't put the money towards a quality product. They dont hire good actors, good directors, writers, etc. They don't respect the universe. They see it as rubber monsters fighting in outer space. They look at it with all the reverence of an old Godzilla move.
How about a novel in this series?
Love it still ;D
<runs for the door> :P </runs for the door>
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Love the tagline, that's brilliant!
Quote from: Russ on Sep 03, 2014, 06:38:05 AM
Love the tagline, that's brilliant!
Agreed. It brought me a little smile on my face..
I'm one of those who first loved avp-r and hated avp, then I hated both because I was focusing on the flaws, took a couple of years of and rewatched the movies with a neutral state of mind and enjoyed both. Had no problems with watching avp-r on my Tv with the blue ray in the PS4. Remember that I could really see the Alien in the store, something that was new to me. Both movies still have their pros and cons but I rather focus on the big picture then get stuck and hating on the alien killing the Predator with the magic tail or the predator flooring the alien with the magic punch.
Is the AvP-R Blu-Ray really better in terms of picture and brightness comparison than to the DVD?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 03, 2014, 08:11:50 AM
Is the AvP-R Blu-Ray really better in terms of picture and brightness comparison than to the DVD?
Well, I've had the both the DVD and the Blu-Ray from the day ithey got released here in Sweden, I first saw the movie with PS3 and an older Plasma TV (LG), and my opinion is that the blu-ray is slightly better but the darkness issue is still present.
These days I use my PS4 and I bought a newer TV, a LG LED TV (47LM620T:ze), maybe it's the combination that removes the darkness issue, cause, the Alien used to look like a shadow before but when I watched the movie again a week ago, I could see the alien very clean. It surprised me because I didn't expect it at all.
Quote from: Scree on Sep 03, 2014, 10:18:15 AM
Best AVPGALAXY-member, ever. :)
Hey, I still love AvP too! I just sorely wish that Fox would continue with the storyline that the first film had established and set the franchise as a parallel but separate continuity from the Predator franchise and the Alien franchise, while still maintaining links to the first two Predator films, and the four Alien films. We would have three paths to choose from.
But the realist in me says that with the approach Fox is taking things now, that is not really likely to happen. :(
Lately I've been thinking about if they could link the queen from avp with space traffic control center in antartica from Aliens and have a movie about something that happening there, she gets discovered...they make her come alive and she's no sleeping beauty...
...No, she's one angry b***h :-) The Predators haven't forgotten about her, they've been watching her all along and when the colonal marines are sent in to clean s**t up it soon becomes a welcome setting for the Predators, war/ conflict. For a long long time they have been patiently waiting for the queen to come alive, for the humans to become strong enough to face the aliens...for the ultimate hunt to begin. And a hundred years from now, antartica isn't as cold as it is these days...god bless the ozone layer and let the hunt begin :-D
I think it could work, It could still be on earth, expanding on the story that began there but at the same time it can be set in the future and it would make it possible for us to see the colonal marines in action again.
It's an extraordinarily long way from Bouvet to Antarctica.
Quote from: SM on Sep 04, 2014, 09:57:29 PM
It's an extraordinarily long way from Bouvet to Antarctica.
But isn't it in antartica, close to Norway? And is there any confirmation on where the space traffic control center is located, I just remember them mentioning antartica in the movie Aliens.
Norway?
Traffic control would likely be close to the south pole in order to monitor the southern sky (the Nostromo was coming from the constellation of Reticulum - relative to Earth - which is a southern constellation.)
Bouvetoya is nearly 2000km from tha RSA base SANAE IV in Antarctica. It's another 2000km from there to the pole.
Quote from: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 06:29:23 AM
Norway?
Traffic control would likely be close to the south pole in order to monitor the southern sky (the Nostromo was coming from the constellation of Reticulum - relative to Earth - which is a southern constellation.)
Bouvetoya is nearly 2000km from tha RSA base SANAE IV in Antarctica. It's another 2000km from there to the pole.
Hi, had no clue where Bouyetoya was so I looked in the AVP section on he homepage and under the "story" part I saw this;
" As the film takes place in the present day, Paul W.S. Anderson made it clear that he didn't want to contradict the previous Alien films so the story takes place on the Norwegian Antarctic island of Bouvet, far away from any civilization"
That's why I mentioned Norway :-)
However the queen didn't die of being forzen for a 100 years so I think that they could make a AVP 3 useing that queen, I don't think she's dead because I don't think that an alien can be killed by drowning it, never seen an alien die becuase of drowning on the big screen. Many ppl have said that they would like to see an AVP movie in a future setting and many have said that they would like to see the colonial marines in an AVP movie. Personally I agree with those ppl and support the idea.
The traffic control center doesn't even have to be a part of AVP3 but I think it could open up some doors, answearing some questions. They could for example confirm that the company knew more about the Space jockeys/ Aliens than they let on. I think that most issues with canon and continuity can be sorted out in a future setting, many ppl have already thought out ideas on how to make many of the issues work with canon, so why not throw in some stuff here and there as long it doesn't create new issues.
For example, When Charles Bishop Weyland died his brother Sir Peter Weyland ended up takeing over.
maybe that's something that could be mentioned in the movie and resolve one issue among many.
You won't see any attempt to tie Charles and Peter Weyland together anytime soon.
Quote from: FatBrando on Aug 30, 2014, 03:29:07 PM
Acting was better?...no. No it wasn't. AVPR has some of the worst acting I've ever seen. Corny, over the top soap opera garbage. With the lead doing some bizarre action Tom Cruise impression...ugh, makes me want to puke. None of the characters were like-able or relatable in any way. The first film had actual actors. No they weren't any good in it either but there is only so much you can do with a bad director, a terrible script and lousy editing. This is a series that contains great actors! Like Sigorney Weaver, Lance Henrikson, Ian Holm, John Hurt, Yaphett Koto, and Charles Dance! Classically trained! Directors like Ridley Scott, James Cameron, David Fincher! Jean-Pierre Juenet! Granted Resurrection sucked but he's still a good director. The reason the franchises are suffering is because of miss-management from the studios and producers like John Davis. They don't put the money towards a quality product. They dont hire good actors, good directors, writers, etc. They don't respect the universe. They see it as rubber monsters fighting in outer space. They look at it with all the reverence of an old Godzilla move.
I'm not saying the acting is good by any means just improved over AVP
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Quote from: Milan on Sep 05, 2014, 09:22:41 AMThat's why I mentioned Norway :-)
Funny you should mention Norway, I'm pretty sure the real Bouvet Island is actually owned by Norway (contrary to what is said in the film about it being covered by the Antarctic Treaty - it's too far from Antarctica to come under it).
So I re-watched AvP over the weekend with the Mrs. First time I've watched it for sometime and I watched some of the special features too.
I don't think it's a horrific film like Requiem is, but it's still a disappointing one. I think the bare core of the story has the potential for something interesting but not the way it was presented to us. I still love the idea of the shifting pyramid but Anderson's need to have it shift every 10 minutes is what I feel contributed to the sped-up life-cycle. So something new would happen after each shift.
I thought the characters were all pretty much boring with very little in the way of development. The only good character beats were between Weyland and Lex and that was all of 3 minutes. I cared for none of them. Nor was I interested in them.
Whilst I prefer the black color over the tan of the Alien Resurrection, I still dislike the design of the Aliens used. I know it was to reduce the cost but that incarnation looks far too generic. The Predators, I like what they tried to do - I appreciate the reasoning behind the armor and etc - but the execution wasn't quite right. The Predators looked too bulky and without the grace of KPH - especially in the fight scene. I much prefer the trimmed down proportions of the McFarlance figures.
The lack of variation in the skin also annoyed me. It made the skin look far too fake without any of the "freckles". There also wasn't enough moisture on the Predator skin as well which increased that fake feeling.
And Anderson...Jesus Christ. I couldn't stand listening to him talk in the behind the scenes. He just seemed so dull.
So...that's my mini-rant.
Yeah, the core idea is fine. AVP2010 had it right. It would have been much better if it was a future setting, and the pyramid was discovered by a Wey-Yu satellite on a jungle planet. Henriksen could have played his Alien 3 character and obviously the colonial marines could have been involved. Add to that a decent alien design and a much improved Predator design and I don't think they could have gone far wrong.
The reasoning behind a present day Earth setting has always baffled me. Sure they wanted the threat on our own doorstep to make things more 'terrifying' yet they chose a location 2000ft below the Earth in remote Antarctica, a place where the Aliens had no chance of reaching civilisation. Nonsensical.
And I'm sure in one of the featurettes Anderson even states the reason Antarctica was chosen was because it was the closest thing on Earth they could find to the surface of an alien planet. So then, why not just set it on an alien planet?
You'd be amazed at how much a story changes from page to screen -- I'm reading a book on that very thing at the moment as it goes, and ideas change so much from what they were to what they become its scary.
Maybe John Davis had more input than is stated on the special features of the disc – I can only really think that producer input could / would have made a major impact. I think we've established that – whatever you think of how he delivered it – Anderson's intent and heart were in the right place. It's pretty clear that he's a fan (again – Event Horizon might as well have had "set in the alien-verse" as its tagline and he raves about Alien(s) all the way through his commentary on that one) so put yourself in his shoes. You've been given the job to write the script of AvP – you, like everyone else, is thinking "Colonial Marines vs Aliens and Predators." I'm sure Anderson was too – who wouldn't?
Especially after the lessons of AL III EN and A:R.
Of course, I could be completely wrong, but I always got the feeling that Anderson was slightly apologetic in the commentary and almost... wistful.
I have to ask myself though – if Marines vs Aliens vs Predators is such a great idea, why would Davis derail it for an Archaeologists vs Predators vs Aliens idea. (I can see the meeting "but everyone will be expecting Colonial Marines. Let's do it on earth – with archaeologists!" And Anderson going "great idea" whilst weeping silently on the inside).
He's the Predator producer. He wants it more steeped in his franchise than the other.
Quote from: Russ on Dec 09, 2014, 02:10:20 PM
Of course, I could be completely wrong, but I always got the feeling that Anderson was slightly apologetic in the commentary and almost... wistful.
Anderson did say one time at a Comic-con that the movie didn't exactly turn out the way he wanted it and he did express some mild displeasure with it. I don't think he hates the movie but it wasn't exactly the vision which he wanted to put out and I do believe that he was sincere in his efforts to produce something which fans would've appreciated.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2014, 03:32:50 PM
He's the Predator producer. He wants it more steeped in his franchise than the other.
And I think that's exactly why the movie ended up being the movie we wound up getting. Don't get me wrong, I love Alien vs. Predator and the things which it had introduced the Alien and Predator mythologies. I though the movie was cool ten years ago, and I think it's cool now.. But I will say that it's not the movie which a lot of fans wanted. Let's face it-- we wanted Colonial Marines, we wanted it set in the future, and we wanted it in space. But we didn't get that and I think that's what hurts a lot of fans the most and likely a large part of the resentment.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 09, 2014, 10:09:08 AM
So I re-watched AvP over the weekend with the Mrs. First time I've watched it for sometime and I watched some of the special features too.
I don't think it's a horrific film like Requiem is, but it's still a disappointing one.
Both are equally "horrific" in my opinion...albeit in different ways. I suspect if you have a strong attachment to the xenomorphs, watching Wolf butcher his way through them isn't a pleasant experience. However, the first film is equally flawed. It has a better setting and less powerful predators/more powerful xenomorphs, but aside from that, how is it better?
The acting is no better. The dialogue is no better. The team-up is absolutely cringe-worthy. I've always thought that the Grid vs. Celtic fight plays out like a WWE wrestling match...it's rather childish. The predators resemble Klingons more than the semi-primitive half-savages portrayed by P1 and P2. The predator aesthetic is different but not better. Big, bulky predators who look like they have to jog because they're too fat to run. The P2 ship's design is really unique and cool. The AvP ship design is more generic sci-fi. Furthermore, the ancient aliens angle is laughable. Predators taught us civilisation and how to build pyramids? I mean...really?! We worshipped predators? Please...
On top of that the film handicaps the novice predators with stolen shoulder cannons and random items of dissolving gear. Scar's shuriken, spear, and dagger are acid-proof but Celtic's dollar store wristblades dissolve almost instantly. Why? Do Blooded predators like to prank youths, is this the predator equivalent of hazing? Is the purpose of the scene simply to show off the potency of xenomorph acid? I dunno...
On the pros of the first film, I think (and most people agree) that the setting is better and the xenomorphs enjoy a more favourable portrayal.
AvP-R's action is less like WWE wrestling but more one-sided. It has a memorable predator with a cool design. I opposed the decision to set an AvP movie on modern Earth. That was a terrible decision. However, as a predator fan, I'm glad to have Wolf after Anderson's three clumsy adolescents with dissolving gear
Quote from: happypred on Dec 10, 2014, 04:06:19 AM
On top of that the film handicaps the novice predators with stolen shoulder cannons and random items of dissolving gear. Scar's shuriken, spear, and dagger are acid-proof but Celtic's dollar store wristblades dissolve almost instantly. Why? Do Blooded predators like to prank youths, is this the predator equivalent of hazing? Is the purpose of the scene simply to show off the potency of xenomorph acid? I dunno...
I usually go by SiL's explanation.. and it doesn't seem out of the question as Predators enjoy a good challenge. So quoting SiL: "They were given that particular equipment to make it more challenging."
And it makes sense if you look at the (old) EU.. Novice Hunters are usually given bottom of the barrel equipment and have to work through the ranks to get better gear.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 10, 2014, 04:21:36 AMI usually go by SiL's explanation.. and it doesn't seem out of the question as Predators enjoy a good challenge. So quoting SiL: "They were given that particular equipment to make it more challenging."
And it makes sense if you look at the (old) EU.. Novice Hunters are usually given bottom of the barrel equipment and have to work through the ranks to get better gear.
Why are some items acid-proof but others are not? The spear is acid-proof but the wristblades are not...why? Wristblades are your last line of defence. It's also harder to kill a xenomorph with wristblades than with a spear.
If the Blooded predators want the Unblooded to face a challenge, they should give the Unblooded acid-proof wristblades and dissolving spears. That way...the Unblooded are forced to use wristblades, the weapons requiring the most skill
Quote from: happypred on Dec 10, 2014, 04:06:19 AMBoth are equally "horrific" in my opinion...albeit in different ways.
I wouldn't go that far... The first film at least had
some redeeming qualities. Lance Henriksen was a big plus, and the setting was pretty cool. Plus it at least felt like they cared about what they were making, even if it was misguided.
Other than a decent-looking Predator, there was literally nothing redeemable about the second movie. And worst of all, it felt like the people making it didn't give a sh*t.
I still can't believe the balls on Anderson saying he had made the predator look better then ever before.. He lowered the bar with 14 years of make up evolution at his finger tips. It was one of the more disappointing aspects of the film was the lack of Stan Winston quality or involvement . This movie would have been better as a comic book I think or a. Video game. It feels like a straight to DVD or made for the syfy channel low quality anaconda 4. Kind of vibe. That being said if I remove the part of me that cares about aliens or predators and am bored I can handle it as a pop corn flick if it's on TV and nothing else is on. I highly doubt I will ever watch it on purpose again in my life on DVD or I tunes or something. It's not worth the time.
I just came across this thread and now I've made plans to rewatch it Friday with my friendzone. It's things like avp and star wars that we share that stops me from putting a move on her cuz its cool to have a chick in my life to watch sci fi with and I don't wanna risk losing the friendship.
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Watching it now with homegirl. This must be atleast the 12th time I've seen it and godammit I f**king love this movie!!! So stoked to see it again!!!
I finally plucked up the courage to re-watch AVP:R the other night.
It was shit.
Did you make it through it in one sitting?
Only because I was texting a mate rather than actually paying attention.
Haha. Last time I tried to watch it I had to stop 3 times.
Ah, I look back on AVP with fond memories. Good times, practically blew me away when I saw it it in theaters, came out when I was 15. Didn't post on any internet forums back then, so everything was a surprise. I distinctly remember being all "Oh my god! No way!" when the Queen first showed up. I had a good time seeing in theaters and the dozen or so times I watched again on DVD.
I had to watch AVP and AVP:R this past year becuase my son is turning into quite the alien and predator fan. He had many questions about many of the same things we do, except he loved both, which appears to be the minority opinion here. I can see some glimpses of some good ideas in AVP, but they quickly get buried under Anderson's "style".
Anderson's style is really weird and every film he makes feels very rushed. if he slowed down his movies a bit and fleshed out some of the characters instead of killing half in a single sequence which he has become famous for, then he might have something good. AVP could have been a memorable film had it been his story and a respectable director.
Quote from: Jango1201 on Jan 05, 2015, 03:22:51 AMAnderson's style is really weird and every film he makes feels very rushed. if he slowed down his movies a bit and fleshed out some of the characters instead of killing half in a single sequence which he has become famous for, then he might have something good.
Event Horizon works because basically none of those things are true.
Always liked the first AVP, I was hyped for it, went to see it in theaters with friends, we all had a good time. For me it continued the vibe and tradition of the first three alien movies - isolation, corridors, and everything ending with aliens taking the top and leftovers of a group trying to get out to survive. I was also a huge fan of the first AVP comic book and we know the AVP movie drew a lot from that one.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 05, 2015, 08:57:47 AM
Quote from: Jango1201 on Jan 05, 2015, 03:22:51 AMAnderson's style is really weird and every film he makes feels very rushed. if he slowed down his movies a bit and fleshed out some of the characters instead of killing half in a single sequence which he has become famous for, then he might have something good.
Event Horizon works because basically none of those things are true.
Also way before RE and his films after that. Also to his defense, Event Horizon was his own film really and not a familiar film adaption.