Went see to the Predator yesterday , wanted to really enjoy it , after a great start the film goes right off the rails . I'm 42 years old I remember seeing alien for the first time (yes I was young) on tv and then couldn't wait for the sequel Aliens to come out . I always went round a friend's house who's brother had all the magazines I used to flick through ( fangoria magazine was 1) . Anyway since Alien3 and predator 2 it's seems that every attempt to revamp both franchises have fallen flat. And every time it seem to destroy both franchises Legacy. After the Alien prequels now I feel they should have left the space jockeys alone let alone that it was David that created the Aliens... I'm not going to say much about The Predator as folk need to see it . But as Big fan of both Alien and Predator I think it's time to leave both alone because brick by brick with every instalment the legacy of both are being ruined . I want both to work and do well let's face it they are failing ..
No I really want that 3rd Alien prequel movie... kinda also want that AVP3 movie as well. However they really screwed the pooch on Predator. For me this is as bad as AVPr. So I think they should think about it and perhaps it'd be best to try again another day.... say 4-5 years from now. But it'll probably be another 10 freaking years till we see another movie from either franchise.
No.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 16, 2018, 12:49:02 PM
No I really want that 3rd Alien prequel movie... kinda also want that AVP3 movie as well. However they really screwed the pooch on Predator. For me this is as bad as AVPr. So I think they should think about it and perhaps it'd be best to try again another day.... say 4-5 years from now. But it'll probably be another 10 freaking years till we see another movie from either franchise.
alien prequel 3 needs to be done can't leave it like that I agree
never but this wont be on fox anymore it will be up to disney.
The studio has nothing worthwhile to offer the story. Time to say goodbye, I say/
No.
There's still quite enough.
Especially where Alien is concerned IMO.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 03:16:15 PM
No.
There's still quite enough.
Especially where Alien is concerned IMO.
Except Ridley can't do anything right.
He does everything right, except recieve a refined script.
I guess there would be many stories to tell, but once again they showed us that they simply can't handle it.
This movie was pretty bad and very, VERY dumb, the only thing i liked were two or three characters/moment. The comedy, action scenes and some parts of the soundtrack reminded me of the MCU. I'm not even sure, if it's better than AvP2.
Why not simply hire a GOOD director/team and try a different setting? Colonial Marines maybe or another planet or whatever...or at least spend more money and talent on the script. Though, i guess they don't want to risk too much money so won't happen. This movie was sooo dumb. I would've never watched it, if there were no Predators in it.
I'd like to see another angle on the Alien Franchise and MAYBE a sequel to Covenant - i highly doubt it would be good, but at least it had a few good moments - just finish the whole thing. AvP and Predator? Something is better than nothing i guess, but in this case there is really no hurry.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 03:25:28 PM
He does everything right, except recieve a refined script.
And make the Alien man-made.
I had an idea for a follow up, but......Nah, no point.
An Artificial intelligence is not a man.
I can appreciate R.S' POV although I disagree.
Ridley will get another movie....and another....and another....
Good for him, I'm glad to hear this insider info.
He deserves it.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 03:35:14 PM
Good for him, I'm glad to hear this insider info.
He deserves it.
As long as he gets rid of David being the creator of the Alien.
He may not, but there's always potential for someone to.
I had an idea for a follow up to THE PREDATOR.
I believe there's a thread for discussing that, I'd like to see your take there.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 03:50:02 PM
I believe there's a thread for discussing that, I'd like to see your take there.
Got a link??
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=60525.msg2317241#new
Or even the thread you just created about a reboot, you could put your idea there.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 04:10:01 PM
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=60525.msg2317241#new
Or even the thread you just created about a reboot, you could put your idea there.
Thank you.
No problem.
Scott is good for visuals, the script... For me the problem is that he doesnt have any vision about the saga, he doesnt care about the queen, the lyfecycle.. And went to a full silly crew, with 0 carisma, and endend making a movie about a android that hates humans and mess arround with black goo and redheads.. Its pure mental diharrea.
And the predator goes to the same way, my last hope is disney.. Yes sad times.. This big predator budget was our last shoot, black screwed with stupid script and hybrids, yes it worked in jurassic world, but that doesnt mean it works here...
The killer predator suit is the signal of a end of a saga, at least for 20 years
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 16, 2018, 04:46:18 PM
Scott is good for visuals, the script... For me the problem is that he doesnt have any vision about the saga, he doesnt care about the queen, the lyfecycle.. And went to a full silly crew, with 0 carisma, and endend making a movie about a android that hates humans and mess arround with black goo and redheads.. Its pure mental diharrea.
And the predator goes to the same way, my last hope is disney.. Yes sad times.. This big predator budget was our last shoot, black screwed with stupid script and hybrids, yes it worked in jurassic world, but that doesnt mean it works here...
The killer predator suit is the signal of a end of a saga, at least for 20 years
Hence my idea to make the Predator-Killer suit something which is perhaps more sinister for humanity than is initially believed. But then, that's just me....
Quote from: EJA on Sep 16, 2018, 03:28:06 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 03:25:28 PM
He does everything right, except recieve a refined script.
And make the Alien man-made.
I had an idea for a follow up, but......Nah, no point.
its is a net idea. Man creates artificial life and that creates the alien. I see like this. David is obsessed with life and creation yet he can ever reproduce, so out of his sexual frustration he creates basicly a giant penis that rapes everything. I didn't like how it wrecked the mystra of the xenomorph but as it's own story its was pretty good. I actualy think David is one of the best characters out of the franchise.
Alien? No. I want Ridley to finish his saga, warts and all.
Predator? Yeah, sadly. It's done. It's been done for a long, long time. It's not a premise with a viable lifespan, as much as I've wanted to believe otherwise since 1990.
Quote from: Kudzu on Sep 16, 2018, 05:10:49 PM
Alien? No. I want Ridley to finish his saga, warts and all.
Predator? Yeah, sadly. It's done. It's been done for a long, long time. It's not a premise with a viable lifespan, as much as I've wanted to believe otherwise since 1990.
oh i dont agree i believe predator still got alot left in the tank, while on the other hand alien is dead.
You've got it backwards. Predator has nothing to explore except one creature defined by one trait.
Alien has had an entire universe since the outset.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 05:18:30 PM
You've got it backwards. Predator has nothing to explore except one creature defined by one trait.
Alien has had an entire universe since the outset.
predator can have a entire universe too look at the comics.
Does? No.
Can? Yes, I believe with a difficult reinterpretation, that according to box office reception of the franchise wouldn't be a worthwhile endeavour.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 05:30:00 PM
Does? No.
Can? Yes, I believe with a difficult reinterpretation, that according to box office reception of the franchise wouldn't be a worthwhile endeavour.
A reinterpretation, a good one, what black did is a lazy mess
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 05:30:00 PM
Does? No.
Can? Yes, I believe with a difficult reinterpretation, that according to box office reception of the franchise wouldn't be a worthwhile endeavour.
So where can Alien go that is at all worthwhile? Because, if anything, Ridley has boxed it in further than ever.
Anywhere. Anywhere at all.
You have every story about the exploitation of the worker by Capitalism to explore, the indifference of an apathetic universe, primal survival, fear of the foreign, artificial intelligence, the futuristic military industrial complex and lovecraftian horror.
Stop, no, but maybe just making sure it adheres to the core concept.
Davis influenced on AvP, AvP-R, Predators ánd the Predator, and he seems to be selling gullible stuff to suits who have no grip on their franchises anyway.
Black, on the other hand, probably was better of not leaning this much on his buddy Dekker.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 06:40:22 PM
Anywhere. Anywhere at all.
You have every story about the exploitation of the worker by Capitalism to explore, the indifference of an apathetic universe, primal survival, fear of the foreign, artificial intelligence, the futuristic military industrial complex and lovecraftian horror.
Ridley has made the entire species originate with David. With him gone, and the derelict in LV-426 gone, where else can you get Aliens?
You don't have to adhere to that.
So, anywhere potentially-
Quote from: EJA on Sep 16, 2018, 06:42:20 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 06:40:22 PM
Anywhere. Anywhere at all.
You have every story about the exploitation of the worker by Capitalism to explore, the indifference of an apathetic universe, primal survival, fear of the foreign, artificial intelligence, the futuristic military industrial complex and lovecraftian horror.
Ridley has made the entire species originate with David. With him gone, and the derelict in LV-426 gone, where else can you get Aliens?
He had one strain originating from David, maybe even working up to the point that both engineers and David arrived at almost the same level of perfection.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 16, 2018, 06:46:54 PM
Quote from: EJA on Sep 16, 2018, 06:42:20 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 06:40:22 PM
Anywhere. Anywhere at all.
You have every story about the exploitation of the worker by Capitalism to explore, the indifference of an apathetic universe, primal survival, fear of the foreign, artificial intelligence, the futuristic military industrial complex and lovecraftian horror.
Ridley has made the entire species originate with David. With him gone, and the derelict in LV-426 gone, where else can you get Aliens?
He had one strain originating from David, maybe even working up to the point that both engineers and David arrived at almost the same level of perfection.
Incorrect. Ridley is making David the new monster.
From the context of the prequels- David is a "perfect" AI and so is the Alien a biological one, so they're equals.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 06:50:30 PM
From the context of the prequels- David is a "perfect" AI and so is the Alien a biological one, so they're equals.
But it limits the possibilities.
It doesn't, not at all.
I love it being a "biological AI" as it eliminates the ludicrous idea that they're a natural creature, regardless of what was responsible for their creation.
Especially because further filmmakers don't necessarily have to adhere to the idea that David is their sole creator.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 07:00:35 PM
It doesn't, not at all.
I love it being a "biological AI" as it eliminates the ludicrous idea that they're a natural creature, regardless of what was responsible for their creation.
Especially because further filmmakers don't necessarily have to adhere to the idea that David is their sole creator.
I never believed they were a result of natural evolution. That isn't the problem. The problem is with David being their creator, which Alien: Covenant leaves absolutely no doubt about whatsoever.
Which could be retconned by being recontextualised in a further film, nothing stopping any stories being told.
I don't think AvP as a concept is dead. There's enough excellent, horrific, scary ideas there to make an incredible film.
To the average movie goer though it might not get the time of day anymore after the last two
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 07:05:24 PM
Which could be retconned by being recontextualised in a further film, nothing stopping any stories being told.
Nope, it's gonna go David totally.
Eh, David being the sole creator of all xenos is pretty easily retcon-able anyway.
"He was wrong, and it was just the one strain."
That could even get you a situation where the black goo will, sooner or later, create something Xenomorph-ish, which could imply the elixir of life has an "undo" button - a pretty cool concept that elevates the Xenos back to a more Lovecraftian threat.
If that sounds dumb, remember: It's this or time travel. :-X
Quote from: Marc505 on Sep 16, 2018, 07:07:04 PM
I don't think AvP as a concept is dead. There's enough excellent, horrific, scary ideas there to make an incredible film.
To the average movie goer though it might not get the time of day anymore after the last two
AVP is dead. Predator is dead. End of.
Quote from: EJA on Sep 16, 2018, 07:09:08 PM
Quote from: Marc505 on Sep 16, 2018, 07:07:04 PM
I don't think AvP as a concept is dead. There's enough excellent, horrific, scary ideas there to make an incredible film.
To the average movie goer though it might not get the time of day anymore after the last two
AVP is dead. Predator is dead. End of.
If AVP:R couldn't kill it, nothing can.
Generally Agreed Naginata
You could state that he was simply mistaken in his belief that he was creating it for the first time, and was unconsciously following instructions.
Look upon my works, ye mighty- and despair.
Quote from: EJA on Sep 16, 2018, 07:09:08 PM
Quote from: Marc505 on Sep 16, 2018, 07:07:04 PM
I don't think AvP as a concept is dead. There's enough excellent, horrific, scary ideas there to make an incredible film.
To the average movie goer though it might not get the time of day anymore after the last two
AVP is dead. Predator is dead. End of.
I believe you're probably right especially from a big studio production point of view. We can but hope though.
I'm going to be honest now: No one really gives a crap about Predator. It's never been a particularly high ranking franchise. Honestly, there is much more chance of Ridley churning out movie after movie about David and how he is behind everything Alien. I'd advise you to forget all about Predator, and AVP. It's done.
I don't think the franchises are dead but they need to get better people involved and then not interfere with the production. The Predator was transparently altered by studio interference. Maybe after Disney's aquisition they can let it rest for a few years then try again with maybe a more competent studio production staff behind it.
So no new continuity-wrecking movies but Dark Horse and Titan are still free to tell new stories without having to 'tie in' to anything? Win-Win.
Quote from: Fleshwound on Sep 16, 2018, 07:16:09 PM
I don't think the franchises are dead but they need to get better people involved and then not interfere with the production. The Predator was transparently altered by studio interference. Maybe after Disney's aquisition they can let it rest for a few years then try again with maybe a more competent studio production staff behind it.
The David franchise definitely isn't dead. That will go on for a while, you can bet on it. Predator or AVP......No more movies after this. I had an idea for a follow up, but it was really awful.
I reiterate my earlier statement about AVPR...
EDIT: Also, David is bae, and must have many more movies in which to wreck shit.
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 16, 2018, 07:21:04 PM
I reiterate my earlier statement about AVPR...
There'll be no more movies though.
Hyperbole seems to be a pattern.
Yeah, everyone said that after AVP:R. I'm not trying to be difficult, just making a point: if there's money in it, they'll try again.
Quote from: Fleshwound on Sep 16, 2018, 07:16:09 PM
I don't think the franchises are dead but they need to get better people involved and then not interfere with the production. The Predator was transparently altered by studio interference. Maybe after Disney's aquisition they can let it rest for a few years then try again with maybe a more competent studio production staff behind it.
I'm not even sure I'd say Studio interference ruined the Movie. There's still a ton leftover from what was in the original script. It's the 3rd act that was completely revamped and thanks to it The Loonies, which many seemed to like, stuck around longer before they found their end. A lot of the really terrible stuff like 3 legged Predators are gone from the Movie, but the Predator dogs still existed and were used as jokes like in the original script. Probably the only thing that reeks of studio interference is the ending. But I'd say 90% of the Movie, that's all on Black and Dekker.
The problem started in the script stages and 90% of it should have never been used. And Black's sensibilities just don't mesh with the Predator franchise. For someone who starred in the first Movie, it seems like the doesn't understand the creature and the franchise at all.
Quote from: EJA on Sep 16, 2018, 07:19:31 PM
Quote from: Fleshwound on Sep 16, 2018, 07:16:09 PM
I don't think the franchises are dead but they need to get better people involved and then not interfere with the production. The Predator was transparently altered by studio interference. Maybe after Disney's aquisition they can let it rest for a few years then try again with maybe a more competent studio production staff behind it.
The David franchise definitely isn't dead. That will go on for a while, you can bet on it. Predator or AVP......No more movies after this. I had an idea for a follow up, but it was really awful.
The David stuff needs to die off. It hijacked the Alien franchise and turned it into a second rate Blade Runner franchise (which says something when the guy who
created Blade Runner messed it up).
Quote from: Dusk on Sep 16, 2018, 07:25:59 PM
Quote from: Fleshwound on Sep 16, 2018, 07:16:09 PM
I don't think the franchises are dead but they need to get better people involved and then not interfere with the production. The Predator was transparently altered by studio interference. Maybe after Disney's aquisition they can let it rest for a few years then try again with maybe a more competent studio production staff behind it.
I'm not even sure I'd say Studio interference ruined the Movie. There's still a ton leftover from what was in the original script. It's the 3rd act that was completely revamped and thanks to it The Loonies, which many seemed to like, stuck around longer before they found their end. A lot of the really terrible stuff like 3 legged Predators are gone from the Movie, but the Predator dogs still existed and were used as jokes like in the original script. Probably the only thing that reeks of studio interference is the ending. But I'd say 90% of the Movie, that's all on Black and Dekker.
The problem started in the script stages and 90% of it should have never been used. And Black's sensibilities just don't mesh with the Predator franchise. For someone who starred in the first Movie, it seems like the doesn't understand the creature and the franchise at all.
I avoided reading the script or spoilers from it for the most part. So if the movie really wasn't interfered with that much then why the hell is it so inconsistent and choppy?
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Quote from: Fleshwound on Sep 16, 2018, 07:26:48 PM
The David stuff needs to die off.
You leave my fictional sociopathic android boyfriend out of this! >:(
My idea for a follow up movie would have tried to take the Predator mythos in new directions, while also attempting to recapture the fear and horror of the earlier instalments.
In an age where we're saturated with Marvel, DC, Transformers and Star Wars films, Alien and Predator films are pretty much the only types of franchise films I'm looking forward to, even if they mostly end up being mediocre. Now I don't want either series to become some annual release crap, but I would like less of a hiatus on these films. Fox just doesn't have any confidence in making these films anymore.
I loved The Predator, and really enjoy Prometheus and Alien Covenant, but we'll no doubt get another hiatus on the Predator and the general audience has just stopped watching the newest Alien films. I want more, but its always doubtful.
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 16, 2018, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: Fleshwound on Sep 16, 2018, 07:26:48 PM
The David stuff needs to die off.
You leave my fictional sociopathic android boyfriend out of this! >:(
Spin him off into his own franchise and let the Alien one have, you know, aliens in it.
Quote from: Fleshwound on Sep 16, 2018, 07:26:48 PM
I avoided reading the script or spoilers from it for the most part. So if the movie really wasn't interfered with that much then why the hell is it so inconsistent and choppy?
Because of the 3rd act revamp. An entire plot line with friendly Predators was dropped. So it looks like dialogue had to be changed, character motivations altered, the time table got changed because they decided to re-shoot everything at night time, because apparently things didn't look good at day time. Also apparently the Movie was 30-40 minutes too long. Then there's the whole sex offender controversy. So the scene in which Munn's character gets introduced into the Movie is gone and she's just there.
Not saying there was no studio interference. But even had they remained hands off and let Black do his thing, the Movie might have been more coherent, but it would still have been a parody of a Predator Movie.
Is there a chance that Disney will sell the Predator rights to someone else? Or will they just simply bury it forever?
It sounds a lot like the problems that beset Alien 3.
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Spin him off into his own franchise and let the Alien one have, you know, aliens in it.
I really don't care if the Aliens are in it or not; a passive-aggressive robot with an Oedipus Complex f**king around with godlike technology to troll humanity is gonna be entertaining just about every time. One of my favorite movie monsters wrecking shit is a bonus.
Also, relax; short of a rimshot, I don't know how I could make it any more clear I was joking.
Quote from: Fleshwound on Sep 16, 2018, 07:41:25 PM
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 16, 2018, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: Fleshwound on Sep 16, 2018, 07:26:48 PM
The David stuff needs to die off.
You leave my fictional sociopathic android boyfriend out of this! >:(
Spin him off into his own franchise and let the Alien one have, you know, aliens in it.
At this point David is Alien. IMO, this is the best direction the series could have taken. My theory is that David is trying to build himself a biological body via the xenomorph. I wouldn't be surprised if we learn that his inserts a part of himself into the entire batch of eggs we see in the original Alien, essentially becoming born again as Kane's son ( and whoever else gets facehugged later on ). There is so much potential with David and the xenomorph. I know some people are disappointed that Covenant heavily implies he's the creator of the xenomorph, but ultimately, the xenomorph has always been an engineered species. It's head always features a human skull for instance, no matter what type of animal it incubates in. Just my two cents.
Alien is not dead. Predator is pretty much done unless a talented filmmaker can start making Predator movies for $25-30 million, and make them good. I think it's doable. Predator doesn't have to be an "event" movie. The scariest aspect of the creature is that it can be invisible. Theoretically you could make an entire Predator movie without a single special effects shot if you know how to build tension with cinematography, music, and suspense.
If they really wanted to challenge viewers, they could even start giving us new creatures that hunt humans for sport just to keep it fresh. No rule says that a Predator film has to be based around yautja. That'd be a fresh angle. New types of tech, traps, perspective etc. People bash on the new Alien movies, but look at how much money they make in comparison to Predator movies. Big ideas and intelligent risk taking can be profitable. I urge whoever ultimately lands the Predator franchise to think outside the box.
FWIW, I wish the makers of Jurassic Park would think outside the box also. They've essentially remade Lost World 3x now. Want to talk about a series that went off the rails, Jurassic Park is it imo. Yea, the movies make money, but they get worse and worse. We could have had a dinosaur hunting people using vocal mimicking like a freaking parrot. They sold us on the birds idea in the first movie and then just completely abandoned it for being chased around by t-rexes and frankenstein monsters.
Hollywood is creatively bankrupt for the most part.
Think outside the box indeed.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Sep 16, 2018, 09:49:33 PM
Hollywood is creatively bankrupt for the most part.
Yes, it is. Hence the remake-fest we find ourselves in. Add all of the political ideologies they're hell bent on pushing, and it's just really stale.
But meanwhile, out there in the EU, actual stories abound. The Female War novels, AVP Prey, If it Bleeds, etc. And the audio drama's are just killin' it. The EU is really running away with these franchises, and it's just one quality experience after another.
The movies need to be put down like a dying dog.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 17, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
The movies need to be put down like a dying dog.
Is the dick broke? ;)
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 17, 2018, 12:45:34 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 17, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
The movies need to be put down like a dying dog.
Is the dick broke? ;)
Had to google that one.
"Dickbroken: The sexual equivalent of heartbroken. "Heartbroken" denoting being in love or at least having some sort of emotional attachment to a girl and being rejected. "Dickbroken" denotes being incredibly physically attracted to a woman and before any sort of relationship or emotional attachment occurs one is rejected."
I'm not sure I get it, is it because I though I would enjoy the movie and got no fanboy boner in return? No reaction while watching The Predator. And considering how it was even when I watched Predators at the theater I'm suprised this happened. First time for me.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 17, 2018, 01:01:17 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 17, 2018, 12:45:34 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 17, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
The movies need to be put down like a dying dog.
Is the dick broke? ;)
Had to google that one.
"Dickbroken: The sexual equivalent of heartbroken. "Heartbroken" denoting being in love or at least having some sort of emotional attachment to a girl and being rejected. "Dickbroken" denotes being incredibly physically attracted to a woman and before any sort of relationship or emotional attachment occurs one is rejected."
I'm not sure I get it, is it because I though I would enjoy the movie and got no fanboy boner in return? No reaction while watching The Predator. And considering how it was even when I watched Predators at the theater I'm suprised this happened. First time for me.
:D Yeah, that's a new one for me to. I was referring to Billy's line from the first movie. "I wouldn't waste that on a broke dick dog".
I wouldn't call that a reliable scale though.
"Say Bob, what do you give it?"
"Oh, it's a solid 4. Nope it's a 5...more like a 6 and a half. By God, it might be a 7. :D
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 17, 2018, 01:05:40 AM
:D Yeah, that's a new one for me to. I was referring to Billy's line from the first movie. "I wouldn't waste that on a broke dick dog".
I don't even remember hearing Billy say that line. I still got the habit of watching movies with my first language's subtitles despite knowing english quite well. So I never paid attention to that. But I just googled and saw the scene lol.
"I wouldn't wish that on a broke-dick dog" is the equivalent of saying "I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy", however, his explanation is a little off.
Broke-dick is military slang for someone who is always or frequently unable to do their job because they are injured, frequently with the implication that the person is either exaggerating or completely lying about their injury. Short of an outright traitor, it's one of the worst things you can be in the military. "Broke-dicks" are usually subject to hazing, insults and other "corrective training".
Now I get it. :D
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 17, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
The movies need to be put down like a dying dog.
It's like people want 'the franchise' (beginning to hate that term) to end completely like a good little major film license. A nice, simple, on-brand trilogy of movies with clearly defined rules and the occasional official guidebook. This is futility in its purest form; it's not performing like people want, so they want it to die.
"How do we kill it?" they ask.
Ash explained it way back in 1979: "You can't."
It is immortal. It is indestructible. It will switch genres, combine with other franchises, mutate every sort of tone and trope imaginable, infest every available medium... It is a virus in the otherwise impregnable body of Late Capitalist pop culture; Alien will be stomped flat and rebooted and re-contextualized to the bajeezus, but like a cockroach at a nuclear testing site that's been stomped on three times, the f**ker
Will. Not. Die.A perfect organism. Unclouded by focus groups, fanboys, or delusions of official canon.
Fox should just stop? Fox doesn't get a f**king say. It is the little penis-headed acid monster that's steering this ship.
The Company cannot control it. When the sun goes nova and life on Earth is long extinct, there will be a half-crazed AI - the last remnant of human civilization - carving incoherent gibberish into a wall with a rusty knife. Mark my words: said incoherent gibberish
will be an Alien sequel.
EDIT: The TL;DR version boils down to "Fox slept around in Sweden without protection, and they brought back a penis monster."
I don't like that David is the creator of the Alien but I do find interesting the reasoning of why an AI would create such a creature and what makes it perfect in his eyes. Still the truth is that AI reasoning is completely alien to human reasoning and is a very cool concept to explore. David may wear a human skin but he is not human at all. This is what saves Alien: Covenant for me.
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 17, 2018, 01:16:49 AM
Again, I'm not trying to sound like a broken record, but people have been saying that since 2004... And 1997... And 1993...
Not born on 1993, too young on 1997 lol. I never considered that even after the avp movies, they could have been so much better but the damage to the creatures's lore wasn't FUBAR. But now... either another completely unrelated sequel or put it down, fast and painless. I don't want sequels to the last movies we had.
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 17, 2018, 01:16:49 AM
MAMA GIGER DIDN'T RAISE NO FOOL.
I miss Giger.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 17, 2018, 01:27:34 AM
put it down, fast and painless
Quote from: A certain A20/A2 Synthetic
You still don't know what you're dealing with, do you?
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 17, 2018, 01:33:30 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 17, 2018, 01:27:34 AM
put it down, fast and painless
Quote from: A certain A20/A2 Synthetic
You still don't know what you're dealing with, do you?
Guess I need to blow it out of the airlock Ripley style. :P
Spoiler
Or maybe a tree will do the trick
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 17, 2018, 01:39:33 AM
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 17, 2018, 01:33:30 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 17, 2018, 01:27:34 AM
put it down, fast and painless
Quote from: A certain A20/A2 Synthetic
You still don't know what you're dealing with, do you?
Guess I need to blow it out of the airlock Ripley style. :P
Spoiler
Or maybe a tree will do the trick
Nah, just stand still and let the strategically placed terraforming equipment do it for you.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 17, 2018, 01:44:33 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 17, 2018, 01:39:33 AM
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 17, 2018, 01:33:30 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 17, 2018, 01:27:34 AM
put it down, fast and painless
Quote from: A certain A20/A2 Synthetic
You still don't know what you're dealing with, do you?
Guess I need to blow it out of the airlock Ripley style. :P
Spoiler
Or maybe a tree will do the trick
Nah, just stand still and let the strategically placed terraforming equipment do it for you.
Oh come on guys. This is now starting to get really sad... it's still funny though. :)
Also, I always took "broke-dick dog" literal. That Billy wouldn't wish that valley route on a dog with a broken (malfunctioning) dick. oh well... don't even know why I even typed that out. At this point I could still delete it but why the hell not post it anyways.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 17, 2018, 01:44:33 AM
Nah, just stand still and let the strategically placed terraforming equipment do it for you.
Ridley clearly said in the commentary track that it would regenerate from that, sooooooo... ;D
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 17, 2018, 01:48:11 AM
I always took "broke-dick dog" literal. That Billy wouldn't wish that valley route on a dog with a broken (malfunctioning) dick. oh well... don't even know why I even typed that out. At this point I could still delete it but why the hell not post it anyways.
So did I, honestly. Another beloved memory, toasted. :D
To answer the thread title's question: no.
^ This is the correct answer.
I think the best we can hope for at this point is that DISNEY saves it. I know everyone will say that's crazy because they'll dull it down/neuter it. While this might be true to some extent (I dont like that either ) I actually think DISNEY is a company that will really TRY to make something satisfying in a way that scratches the itch FANS WANT scratched.
I dont hate any of these recent entries by any means. It does drive me crazy how much they all are giant missed opportunities. The last 6 Alien and Predator films are just very unsatisfying. I like them, but they don't scratch the itch the way they should.
ALIENS without the curse words is rated PG13 by todays standards, so I think DISNEY can pull off something with a STRANGER THINGS-ish tone that is at least, satisfying and character driven. The same vibe is almost easier with PREDATOR, but I suspect DISNEYwill just lay PREDATOR to rest and choose to make AVP cartoons.
After seeing THE PREDATOR, Im hoping DISNEY will have the sense to make an animated AVP series that is disconnected from any live-action Alien films or series, they move forward with. I also think DISNEY will know the way forward is to make ALIENS 2 with Sigourney Weaver (especially if HALLOWEEN 2018 does well)...but they need to HTFU.
I used to disagree wildly with the ALIENS 2 idea, and while I ideally want PREQUEL 3 to wrap that mess up, I don't think that is possible to do under DISNEY, at this point. The PREQUELS are just too perverse. I really like that perversity but ALIENS is simpler and neater and I think DISNEY can make a very smart, accessible, fan-satisfying soup, by taking the ALIENS approach.
The trouble now is: if DISNEY sells ALIEN, you can get a hard-R 3rd PREQUEL, but how long will all of that take? For now, DISNEY will definitely TRY to make money off of ALIEN before they sell it and DISNEY will see the profitability and possibility of an AVP animated series. So oddly enough, I think AVP is actually the reason DISNEY will not sell ALIEN, which leaves ALIEN either in limbo for now, or DISNEY moving forward with something like ALIENS or an ALIENS TV SERIES. I doubt anything DISNEY does with ALIEN will be as perverse as the RIDLEY SCOTT films.
Also given the time selling ALIEN off will take DISNEY, I imagine that any Company that may or may not buy the rights to ALIEN and PREDATOR will choose to move on to standalone films, and most likely they would be REMAKES/REBOOTS.
I just read an updated plot summary and I do have to say, I'm surprised by the whole situation. We have predators worrying about climate change, and autism being seen as an evolutionary positive. And this isn't even Disney. If we go anywhere from here, I can only hope that what Shane did with this movie will motivate Disney to make the right calls and either stay true to the formula, or sell it to somebody else who really cares about the material.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 17, 2018, 03:42:07 AM
I just read an updated plot summary and I do have to say, I'm surprised by the whole situation. We have predators worrying about climate change, and autism being seen as an evolutionary positive. And this isn't even Disney. If we go anywhere from here, I can only hope that what Shane did with this movie will motivate Disney to make the right calls and either stay true to the formula, or sell it to somebody else who really cares about the material.
Somebody beat me to making a trailer to a THE PREDATOR sequel " THE ASPREDATOR" about an 'evolved' PREDATOR with Aspergers who refuses to fly his ship because he has severe social anxiety, can only communicate by making more and more complex card-castles and only eats Macaroni and Cheese and Chicken Nuggets.
Dont get me wrong. Im not insensitive. I have a nephew who is HFA but... THE PREDATOR was like AUTISM-exploitation.
Now that makes us wonder if the Predator wanted Dutch and Harrigan because they were both autistic. Questions for later.
Quote from: CainsSon on Sep 17, 2018, 03:49:29 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 17, 2018, 03:42:07 AM
I just read an updated plot summary and I do have to say, I'm surprised by the whole situation. We have predators worrying about climate change, and autism being seen as an evolutionary positive. And this isn't even Disney. If we go anywhere from here, I can only hope that what Shane did with this movie will motivate Disney to make the right calls and either stay true to the formula, or sell it to somebody else who really cares about the material.
Somebody beat me to making a trailer to a THE PREDATOR sequel " THE ASPREDATOR" about an 'evolved' PREDATOR with Aspergers who refuses to fly his ship because he has severe social anxiety, can only communicate by making more and more complex card-castles and only eats Macaroni and Cheese and Chicken Nuggets.
Dont get me wrong. Im not insensitive. I have a nephew who is HFA but... THE PREDATOR was like AUTISM-exploitation.
I know. It's something I've tried to avoid talking about so as to not seem offensive or political. But sometimes I honestly wonder if Shane wasn't using this franchise. The guy says he has Tourette's Syndrome and is a proponent of climate change. And he makes a movie where predators are concerned about what happens because of climate change? And makes a kid with autism the next step in human evolution?
I'm not trying to be "that guy" here. I'm just honestly wondering if he might've injected too much of himself and what he wanted into this movie. We didn't need a movie that reinforces his personal political theories and makes him feel better about mental disabilities. We needed a good predator movie.
On a side note, I've often wondered just how he was able to show a kid with Asperger's or Autism (even accidentally) blasting someone, given what happened in Newton back in 13. I'd think that would be considered a negative stereotype that Hollywood would go out of their way to avoid in this day and age.
I don't know. I guess I'm just kind of bummed out that this franchise was taken in such a direction. But the similarities between the content and the director's personal beliefs/issues has me wondering if and how that affected the final product.
Can I just say, a lot of media franchises these days heavily champion various popular issues in society. Look at Doctor Who or Star Trek.
Science fiction has used the genre to tell stories about issues happening at the time for a long long time - War of the Worlds and colonialism for example. Star Trek has done it since it's inception.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 03:16:15 PM
No.
There's still quite enough.
Especially where Alien is concerned IMO.
Enough of what?
The engineers were whiny hypocrites that got mad we killed jesus cause we do the things they do, and Da "daddy issues 2.0/touch all the things" vid made black space screechy dobermans because daddy no love me. There is literally nothing left to explore and nothing that resembles Alien. At all. Aliens as a threat, symbolic existential or otherwise, have been completely neutered. A landshark pretty much capable of being killed by anything that isn't harsh language, where the obvious copies like Nids and Zerg are thematically and logistically superior in every way, now up to and including sales numbers.
Enough to explore.
(:
I'm a fan of both franchises, therefore I'd like to see both continue on the big screen. The show goes on.
To answer topic question. Yes, they're incompetent.
Quote from: Xhan on Sep 17, 2018, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 03:16:15 PM
No.
There's still quite enough.
Especially where Alien is concerned IMO.
Enough of what?
The engineers were whiny hypocrites that got mad we killed jesus cause we do the things they do, and Da "daddy issues 2.0/touch all the things" vid made black space screechy dobermans because daddy no love me. There is literally nothing left to explore and nothing that resembles Alien. At all. Aliens as a threat, symbolic existential or otherwise, have been completely neutered. A landshark pretty much capable of being killed by anything that isn't harsh language, where the obvious copies like Nids and Zerg are thematically and logistically superior in every way, now up to and including sales numbers.
The pathogen alone opens a thousand doorways.
Keep the comics and games going in the downtime.
I don't think they need to drop either franchise, rather just treat them with a bit of respect.
I don't have as much of an issue with the treatment of the Alien franchise as I do the Predator. Mostly because I'm a Pred fanboy and it's my favourite film of all time; but also because I don't think Prometheus was "too bad".
I think Alien is thought of as more "high brow" and thus they've tried to step into this whole philosophical meta with the Engineers and humans (or, rather, Androids!) repeating their mistakes etc.
But the Pred has always been "an Arnie film" so it gets less pomp and ceremony than Alien - which, TBF, is probably right as Alien was the first real horror/sci-fi piece of cinema and was groundbreaking in it's own right. But Pred (to the non-believers) is just meatheads shooting monsters.
But, and I've said this a few times in the last few days, I think both franchises have suffered because of the whole AvP thing. It was always doomed to the realms of fanficdom and (sorry to the AvP fans here!) it should've stayed there.
The Predator Killer is a joke. It paves the way for a lot of potential dross and with the recent influx of on-screen destruction porn (thanks MCU!) you can see why a studio has opted for a suit which has about ninety-six million guns on it.
I can almost see a carbon copy of the Sentry Gun scene in Aliens in a potential sequel to the Predator. Only it's a bazillion Chads and instead of Sentey guns it's Bracket and McKenna back to back in Pred Killers and just wasting them all. Truly woeful cinema, indeed.
We need originality. Or continuity to the original 2 Predator films. A Hopper prequel. Or even a Netflix series which doesn't give the game away until the grand reveal. A neo-noir detective murder mystery or something a bit more far out. Piles of bodies turn up. Skinned, Heads missing etc.
Could even flip the Scahefer cop/brother into being Dutch's son. And he's been trying to track him down all his life. He's Closing in on a mystery etc. And it turns out the Preds have kept an eye on him since Val verde as Dutch was a worthy adversary and they want another 'good test' or even to lure Dutch out for revenge.
Even poor stories like that could/would be better than "Iron Pred" suits. So long as there's respect and no more GM/Upgraded Preds.
(Pred-heavy reaponse, sorry!)
Looks like the franchise might have to fall back onto fan films that keep the genre as it should be
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 17, 2018, 09:22:17 AM
Science fiction has used the genre to tell stories about issues happening at the time for a long long time - War of the Worlds and colonialism for example. Star Trek has done it since it's inception.
I totally agree with this and champion it. The ALIEN series has done so all along. Scott's early contempt for the Corporate Government and its sociopathic tendencies is evident in both ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER.
I just think the way it was used in THE PREDATOR was exploitative and silly. It was also a very serious thing to add to a fun-popcorn film. I'm not sure it worked. Came off a bit laughable.
I enjoyed the movie, but it was pretty silly. Actually, it's silliness was its best quality, I thought.
Quote from: Huntsman on Sep 17, 2018, 10:55:33 AM
I'm a fan of both franchises, therefore I'd like to see both continue on the big screen. The show goes on.
Quote from: Huntsman on Sep 17, 2018, 02:17:18 PM
Keep the comics and games going in the downtime.
That's my view.
I enjoy watching Scott's new Alien movies & a fun Predator film.
For my taste I don't enjoy a lot of the recent huge box office MCU & Star Wars.
We are not all the same in what we like.
;)
The comments about autism in this thread annoy me almost as much as the way the movie used it.
I know that some fans (doesn't apply to everyone) are madly angry with the recent situation (mess with Prometheus and Covenant and now The Predator) and try to cheat on themselves focusing on non-movie mediums like books, comics and video games ... but those are just bonuses (like great Alien: Isolation). Alien and Predator started as movies and should be continued as movies. Unfortunately they are not great anymore.
To cheer you up. Almost every franchise established in the past suffers from its successors. Alien, Predator, RoboCop, Terminator not to mention Star Wars. Welcome to Hollywood.
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 17, 2018, 10:06:30 PM
I know that some fans...try to cheat on themselves focusing on non-movie mediums like books, comics and video games ... but those are just bonuses (like great Alien: Isolation).
Yeah, but those are
really good bonuses. :)
The EU for these creatures is off-the-hook. The audio dramas, the novels. Isolation. It's really entertaining stuff.
I'm glad that they're interesting stuff. Good for fans (I'm not one of them, I only played Isolation) who take an interest in those. But what about movies? I wonder when studio finally realises that people don't want to watch mediocre movies. I wonder how long we're going to wait to see freaking great Alien/Predator movie again? It's been long time since.
"Cheat themselves?" This is such a bizarre thing to say. I like some of the comics better than most of the movies; I'm not lying to myself, I just have opinions and tastes that are different than yours. I'll never understand this attitude that film is somehow a superior medium to books or comics.
Has anyone mentioned that Disney bought Fox so they are not going to be able, anyway?
And i don't think Disney is going to continue so this may happen in the end.
I have been saying and thinking this for a while now, it breaks my heart but there is just very little possibility we get decent movies anymore. End the Alien prequel trilogy (which is not bad) and give us a GOOD AVP movie, then let the franchises rest until they have an actual good script to shoot.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Sep 18, 2018, 01:26:29 AM
Has anyone mentioned that Disney bought Fox
Once or twice.
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 17, 2018, 10:06:30 PM
I know that some fans (doesn't apply to everyone) are madly angry with the recent situation (mess with Prometheus and Covenant and now The Predator) and try to cheat on themselves focusing on non-movie mediums like books, comics and video games ... but those are just bonuses (like great Alien: Isolation). Alien and Predator started as movies and should be continued as movies. Unfortunately they are not great anymore.
To cheer you up. Almost every franchise established in the past suffers from its successors. Alien, Predator, RoboCop, Terminator not to mention Star Wars. Welcome to Hollywood.
Yeah, I don't see any recent movies in these franchises at the level the 80s / 90s action adventure classics.
Even the MCU imo only has "Iron Man" and then Marvel went down hill imo. And I'd add "Jurassic Park" to the list.
Reboots, sequels, prequels of all of these franchises are not as good as the originals.
- I just hope that a new franchise film is not painful to watch and is OK. It doesn't have to be great. Good works.
Jeez I'm channeling Mike Stoklasa (Mr. Plinkett) from Red Letter Media; sounding like some old guy telling kids to get off the lawn. LOL :laugh:
;)
Quote from: bb-15 on Sep 18, 2018, 04:37:13 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 17, 2018, 10:06:30 PM
I know that some fans (doesn't apply to everyone) are madly angry with the recent situation (mess with Prometheus and Covenant and now The Predator) and try to cheat on themselves focusing on non-movie mediums like books, comics and video games ... but those are just bonuses (like great Alien: Isolation). Alien and Predator started as movies and should be continued as movies. Unfortunately they are not great anymore.
To cheer you up. Almost every franchise established in the past suffers from its successors. Alien, Predator, RoboCop, Terminator not to mention Star Wars. Welcome to Hollywood.
Yeah, I don't see any recent movies in these franchises at the level the 80s / 90s action adventure classics.
Even the MCU imo only has "Iron Man" and then Marvel went down hill imo. And I'd add "Jurassic Park" to the list.
Reboots, sequels, prequels of all of these franchises are not as good as the originals.
- I just hope that a new franchise film is not painful to watch and is OK. It doesn't have to be great. Good works.
Jeez I'm channeling Mike Stoklasa (Mr. Plinkett) from Red Letter Media; sounding like some old guy telling kids to get off the lawn. LOL :laugh:
;)
You guys know of any sci fi oriented new franchise with the potential to become great some day in the future? we only have good standalone movies these days. :-\
Quote from: bb-15 on Sep 18, 2018, 04:37:13 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 17, 2018, 10:06:30 PM
I know that some fans (doesn't apply to everyone) are madly angry with the recent situation (mess with Prometheus and Covenant and now The Predator) and try to cheat on themselves focusing on non-movie mediums like books, comics and video games ... but those are just bonuses (like great Alien: Isolation). Alien and Predator started as movies and should be continued as movies. Unfortunately they are not great anymore.
To cheer you up. Almost every franchise established in the past suffers from its successors. Alien, Predator, RoboCop, Terminator not to mention Star Wars. Welcome to Hollywood.
Yeah, I don't see any recent movies in these franchises at the level the 80s / 90s action adventure classics.
Even the MCU imo only has "Iron Man" and then Marvel went down hill imo. And I'd add "Jurassic Park" to the list.
Reboots, sequels, prequels of all of these franchises are not as good as the originals.
- I just hope that a new franchise film is not painful to watch and is OK. It doesn't have to be great. Good works.
Jeez I'm channeling Mike Stoklasa (Mr. Plinkett) from Red Letter Media; sounding like some old guy telling kids to get off the lawn. LOL :laugh:
;)
I'm hoping Mike does a review for this movie. I'm sure it'd be pretty epic.
There's plenty of new good Sci-Fi that have franchise potential, but don't have sequels.
My goodness. I'll admit that I've been pretty negative myself but The Predator and the Alien: Prequel's are not the Fantastic Four or Batman and Robin crapfest. It's a decent action movie. It's also way better than a lot of other sequels and still has it's respect intact.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Sep 16, 2018, 03:26:22 PM
I'd like to see another angle on the Alien Franchise
I totally agree but we are only going to get one chance. That is what's so frustrating. there will never be another chance to have Scott make an alien prequel with a decent script and lore intact. Feels like same happening here with Predator.
Third time's the charm.
Yea the last time alien went full-third we got Alien3.
Well and technically A:C is the second 3rd times the charm.
Nah, Resurrection doesn't count- it's a standalone entry.
The prequel films are a series unto themselves.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 18, 2018, 07:03:43 AM
Yea the last time alien went full-third we got Alien3.
Well and technically A:C is the second 3rd times the charm.
If we get another A3 type of movie I'll be more than happy considering that A3 is my second favorite out of all the franchises with ALIEN coming in first place of course. I doubt that will happen though concideribg the trajectory of PROM and A:C. also, the urge to reinvent the creatures and the concept of each franchise don't bode well. At this point I have nothing but the lowest of expectations.
I'd prefer them to make more AVP movies rather than continue butchering the original two franchises and movie series.
AVP would be a butchering if trajectory doesn't change first.
Wait until someone does an intelligently written adaptation of "At the Mountains of Madness" set in the Alien universe, then we'll be gold.
I don't know what you can do with Predator other than go back to basics and hope it works.
I can't argue with that proposal but I still really want my Alien:Covenant 2.
Yea, go back to basics. I'd love to see a movie set in reference to Ponchos "Remember Afghanistan" comment from Predator. I really think there is a movie to be told there. Of course... considering the original cast is all old now... maybe it's not that great of an idea.
Maybe the future is in television. I think it's been discussed elsewhere, but I'd be in favour of watching something set in the same AvP universe that didn't focus on Aliens or Predators every week, but rather the audience would know they're out there. IDK, something like the X-Files but set in the future with all the megacorporations like Wey-Yu, Con-Am (from Outland) and Tyrell (is that Fox? I can't remember) and their murky dealings.... Marines vs Mercs, androids struggling with their identity - you could have it all really.
And of course, easter egg city... the discovery of a strange pyramid... or some cop investigating Wey-Yu and finding 100 year old voice prints of Ah-nuld and Danny describing the "creature" and how it was all covered up... Or more recently, how the accident on LV426 that killed all the colonists wasn't an accident and there had been a distress call that was "lost" and in fact a squad of Marines was sent to investigate and ... lost... - there's all sorts of shit you can throw in...
It seems that many people are espousing the episodic format of the EU (the comics and so on...)... Maybe the universe is so vast that it needs more room to breathe.
Yeah, I think both franchises could learn a lot from the EU.
I think Russ has a point.
Yeah, please stop ripping it to even more pieces as it already is. Stop, Stop, Stop!
I'd be cool with the Predator franchise dying, if the Alien franchise dies along with it. The prequels are taking that concept in directions just as bad.
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 17, 2018, 09:30:17 PM
The comments about autism in this thread annoy me almost as much as the way the movie used it.
Why is that? Not arguing, just curious.
No it isn't IMO.
Not even close.
Quote from: EJA on Sep 19, 2018, 10:02:18 AM
Why is that? Not arguing, just curious.
In retrospect, it wasn't fair of me to single out this thread. I've just noticed a few people here and elsewhere make such a big deal out of autism
specifically being the next stage in human evolution. I agree completely that it's a dumb, insensitive idea, (and not how evolution works, to boot,) but the "how could that ever be desirable or useful?!" attitude pisses me off. It's like the reverse of the movie's mistake; instead of being portrayed as magical super-beings, they're being portrayed as having some hideous affliction that's an evolutionary 'dead end...' Which is ignorant on number of levels, and is
also not how evolution works! >:(
I'm positive this is just me reading my own baggage into other peoples' statements, though; I don't think anybody meant it like that, and it can be really easy to misinterpret things when it's just text. So I'm not calling anyone out or anything, just being a grumpy bitch like usual, LOL.
A few years back I read some research that indicated autism has been around since the beginning and was in fact very useful to humans when we were still figuring out what fire was. I'd have to dig up the paper but it isn't necessarily a defect or a detriment but it also means those with it don't fit too well with modern society either. But that is true of a lot of personality types today let alone those with a different way of thinking.
I haven't seen the movie yet, plan too this sunday as tickets are $5 special :laugh:, but am I the only one who shrugged and said "alien biology" in response to the whole autism thing? Can we really throw criticism on preds needing autism to evolve when they are aliens who technically spill green glowing blood?
^ I see what you're saying, but body fluid that's green and phosphorescent is a hell of a lot more plausible than an extraterrestrial 'needing' to somehow suck a human-specific neurological condition out of some kid's spine to... like... I dunno... stuff the autism into his brain? To get... smarter?
Iffy implications aside, it doesn't even make sense from a science fiction angle. I know Predator has always, to put it mildly, played fast and loose with science, but this is many orders of magnitude more ridiculous. I had AVPR flashbacks.
To quote Mark Kermode's review of that film: "This is a film made by people who seem to think that the throat is somehow connected to the womb. Now - I'm sorry - did you not do Anatomy 101?"
Agreed.
Quote from: Fleshwound on Sep 20, 2018, 12:16:07 PM
A few years back I read some research that indicated autism has been around since the beginning and was in fact very useful to humans when we were still figuring out what fire was. I'd have to dig up the paper but it isn't necessarily a defect or a detriment but it also means those with it don't fit too well with modern society either. But that is true of a lot of personality types today let alone those with a different way of thinking.
Same for ADHD, late night owls. It's part inate skill set., part dysfunction.
^ For me (although I'm minus the "H") it manifests more as an endless running monologue in my head. The problem (more pronounced when I was a kid, obviously) wasn't that I was spending hours imagining the evolutionary history of gas-powered alien blimps, it's that I was doing it during school hours. ;D
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 18, 2018, 06:09:46 AM
My goodness. I'll admit that I've been pretty negative myself but The Predator and the Alien: Prequel's are not the Fantastic Four or Batman and Robin crapfest. It's a decent action movie. It's also way better than a lot of other sequels and still has it's respect intact.
Yeah. "The Predator" is sometimes silly (trying to be a comedy) but overall imo it's a decent Predator action film.
Not great but entertaining (for me).
As for the Alien prequels, I like those a lot more.
;)
Totally agree.
However the more I think about it, I really do think FOX strongly interfered in production. All of the production material from early on showed Predators teaming with the Loonies to battle something. Yet what we got was a wasted classic and the Loonies vs The Predator. Something major happened between those first images and the final film and it is surely studio interference. All signs point to it.
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 20, 2018, 11:54:41 PM
^ For me (although I'm minus the "H") it manifests more as an endless running monologue in my head. The problem (more pronounced when I was a kid, obviously) wasn't that I was spending hours imagining the evolutionary history of gas-powered alien blimps, it's that I was doing it during school hours. ;D
Im also ADD without the H and share your sentiments.
Also, I just wanted to check in and confirm that in my parody idea for 'The ASPREDATOR' I wasnt trying to suggest that the qualities associated with High Functioning Autism, like Aspergers, could in NO way be desirable. Many Aspie's and HFA's are prodigies. But the idea of Predators kidnapping Aspergers children to advance their own DNA, is frankly just ridiculous.
For starters, even if HFA were the next stage in human evolution, it would be far too early a mutation to know this. Second, given what little is known of the way the Predators are functioning as a civilization, splicing their DNA to include more autistic traits and how that could help their civilization is so unfathomable... Especially when you consider that the ROGUE Predator was trying to stop the other PREDATORS from harvesting us... it's so impenetrable as to how or why this would provide some benefit, it came across to me as absurd. You could just as well assume the PREDATORS want to harvest the worst of aspergers.
Because you can't figure how, why or what traits of HFA is desirable to them, its just waving a giant red-flag for parody, high-jinx.
The idea of a technologically gifted aspie with a military sniper dad, who is wanted by space hunters that know we are destroying our world through climate change denial, and can figure out how to operate their tech... and the only people who can save him are a band of equally exploited misfit PTSD ridden soldiers... It just reads like a bad black bitch with an afro forcing white boys to eat fried chicken out her cho-cha, or better yet a Rastafarian drug lord whose limo is always smoked out.
At least all that other stuff is overtly good humored. Im not sure the Autism stuff was.
Again, don't get me wrong, I thought it was a fun movie. Id even say I enjoyed it more than the other sequels.
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 20, 2018, 09:11:17 PM
^ I see what you're saying, but body fluid that's green and phosphorescent is a hell of a lot more plausible than an extraterrestrial 'needing' to somehow suck a human-specific neurological condition out of some kid's spine to... like... I dunno... stuff the autism into his brain? To get... smarter?
Iffy implications aside, it doesn't even make sense from a science fiction angle. I know Predator has always, to put it mildly, played fast and loose with science, but this is many orders of magnitude more ridiculous. I had AVPR flashbacks.
To quote Mark Kermode's review of that film: "This is a film made by people who seem to think that the throat is somehow connected to the womb. Now - I'm sorry - did you not do Anatomy 101?"
Well DNA agmination is much more complicated than anatomy. Mutations can occur when introducing the right desirable traits like dog breeding while sometimes it can occur randomly. Preds probs work on a different angle than us as being alien as mentioned. If anything it would have done a greater service if the writing actually explained it by going with this angle instead of just putting it out there high and dry like a skinless soldier.
Oh and for the belly bursting thing, I love it but would have retcon it to actually come out the belly instead of the womb. Touches on the parasitic idea more like the tapeworms in real life.
Quote from: Naginata on Sep 20, 2018, 09:11:17 PM
^ I see what you're saying, but body fluid that's green and phosphorescent is a hell of a lot more plausible than an extraterrestrial 'needing' to somehow suck a human-specific neurological condition out of some kid's spine to... like... I dunno... stuff the autism into his brain? To get... smarter?
Iffy implications aside, it doesn't even make sense from a science fiction angle. I know Predator has always, to put it mildly, played fast and loose with science, but this is many orders of magnitude more ridiculous. I had AVPR flashbacks.
To quote Mark Kermode's review of that film: "This is a film made by people who seem to think that the throat is somehow connected to the womb. Now - I'm sorry - did you not do Anatomy 101?"
Oh for heaven's sake. Everybody knows it's the tongue, not the throat. ;D