I for one prefer Aliens mainly because its a sci-fi action movie and its much more exciting.
However I find the original Alien pretty damn boring (I don't hate the movie though) its just not my kind of movie,
Not much happens in the original Alien as for Aliens it has quite a few things happening (once it gets going)
Alien is more creepy, much more of a horror. Its a movie which makes the heartbeat beat louder because of fear. Aliens also has a very long buildup and just have a grander scale, and also makes the heartbeat go faster but for different reasons, mainly being intense. I dont preffer any over the other and hold them in a very very high regard equally. But some may prefer the first because of its horror atmosphere and a 2001esque shooting style. It mostly builds atmosphere. I for one absolutely hate action films sans maybe 4 which also happen to have great stories and atmosphere. Cant stand them or skip action. Some people tend to skip story to get to the action or treat story as a waitroom for action. Im the other way around
Quote from: Aliens1986fanboy on May 03, 2020, 02:03:59 AM
Not much happens in the original Alien
Something happens in every scene of Alien.
They wake up, they investigate the signal, they land on the planet, they incur damage, they go to the derelict, they find the eggs, they encounter the face hugger, they try to cut it off, they realize they cant, they work on repairing the ship, and start home, Kane wakes up, He gives birth to the chest burster, they hunt the alien, it kills Brett, they devise a plan to use flamethrowers and the air shafts to flush it out of the ship, they fail, they find out the the company wants the alien, and Ash is a collaborator, they decide to blow up the ship and bail out on the shuttle, Parker and Lambert get killed while prepping to leave. Ripley sets the auto destruct, attempts to leave, is blocked by the alien, tries to stop the auto-destruct, is too late to do so, returns to the shuttle with Jonesy and launches just before the Nostromo explodes, she gets ready for hypersleep only to find the alien on board, she gets in a suit, uses gas from the shuttles support systems to flush the alien out of its hidey hole, and blows it out the godd*mn airlock. Leaves a log. The end.
Every scene has at least one major piece of plot or character in it. It's just not infused with cinnamon sugar in every bite.
As to why Alien might be preferred by some? It's the original. It's got a great score. It's beautifully shot. It's superbly acted. The original treatrical cut is just about flawless in terms of editing and pacing.
Aliens, though very very well executed, has a few more rough edges. Also the change to Alien design and concept doesn't sit right with everyone. (Even though I would say most people who take that position misunderstand at least one fundamental fact about both Alien and Aliens.)
Quote from: Aliens1986fanboy on May 03, 2020, 02:03:59 AMits just not my kind of movie,
You kind of answered your own question.
Alien is a lot of people's kind of movie :)
I have watched ALIEN countless times (as others here have), and it's not something I can do with ALIENS - nor its two sequels.
ALIENS, is also a classic film and an admirable sequel, but its tone and feel is something that I've never quite liked as much as the original. As another poster noted, the original film is creepy.
A major factor for me, is that the ALIENS score pales considerably before Jerry Goldsmith's for ALIEN. I know James Horner didn't have sufficient time to do it to his satisfaction, but what he turned out is generic. It still works for the film though and that's what counts.
Alien is the giant upon whose shoulders everything that came after stood.
Always preferred the sequel myself, but the original isn't that far behind. Also features what is still the best death scene in the series (Brett).
Alien über alles.
Quote from: SM on May 03, 2020, 07:47:27 AM
Alien is the giant upon whose shoulders everything that came after stood.
This^
When I was a kid/teenager I preferred Aliens over Alien. Now though I prefer Alien. As I got older I found the characters much more relatable and then you add the horror and suspense that the movie has over any of the other titles.
Same as above.
When I was a kid Aliens was always my favourite, but as i got older I now prefer the first film. Why I like some aspects of the prequels, i like to ignore them when I'm watching Alien because the unknown in the first film is more terrifying. Also in my opinion, Alien has aged better then Aliens.
I rewatched Alien for the first time in over 3 years on Alien day. Known this movie and its every shot by memory for over 2 decades, and yet I jumped. I couldnt believe I jumped. But this is how immersive Alien is. No matter how well you know the movie or how many hundreds of times youve seen it, its pacing and atmosphere pull you in like quicksands
Aliens was the closest this series ever came to being a mainstream crowd-pleaser. It's a damn fine, expertly-crafted piece of filmmaking on every level.
But Alien is still the better movie.
Quote from: Rankles75 on May 03, 2020, 11:12:29 AM
Also features what is still the best death scene in the series (Brett).
Agreed. Parker & Lambert are second best in the series, imo.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 04, 2020, 12:50:30 AM
Aliens was the closest this series ever came to being a mainstream crowd-pleaser. It's a damn fine, expertly-crafted piece of filmmaking on every level.
But Alien is still the better movie.
Agreed. Still the best film in the series. Best cast too, and ALIEN films are all strongly cast.
Like others have said, Aliens was my favorite growing up. It might have been the single most influential film of my teens. I have seen it hundreds of times and still love it, and can quote it from beginning to end even today. Hudson's last stand might be my favorite movie death of all time.
That said, Alien has slowly evolved into my favorite of the franchise because of how much more relatable it is to everyday life where corporate greed consumes you for profit. It still has the best creature design of all time, and it has the most realistic feel in a horror movie of all time. Even if things like LIFE are "technically" more accurate nobody cares because very few people are that technical. Give me Parker and Brett as engineers all day everyday.
There are times when I haven't watched Aliens in a while and re-view it where it sort of soars toward first place again, but I have now seen it so much I often spend half the film thinking about what I would've done differently and now being former military WHAT I would've done differently as a former NCO in a combat arms unit had I been in the universe. This surprisingly takes up a majority of the thought process on any military movie now. It's kind of wild.
I still think Aliens has the best design aesthetic in all of the movies though. And most EU creators agree. It is Aliens design influence in almost every videogame and comic series based on a functional future displayed in the second movie. Not that Alien didn't have it, Aliens just showed more vistas. Alien isolation is really the only media in the videogames at least that very clearly chose Alien over Aliens.
Both Alien and Aliens have been my favorite growing up and still are today. Neither one of them will ever get old to me.
Quote from: SM on May 03, 2020, 07:47:27 AM
Alien is the giant upon whose shoulders everything that came after stood.
Yup this is true!
Don't throw shit at me for this, but it seems to me that nowadays liking Alien over Aliens perceived as ... a trait of a smarter, more sophisticated human being. Alien now is kinda like that small but very shiny gem of cinema history. But when you mention Aliens people go: "Oh, these 80's again. One-liners, military, oorah, boom, bam. I liked it when I was 12". It's like enjoying Aliens is being childish, non-serious today.
That said, I watch Aliens far less than I used to. But the same applies to Alien. I watch Alien 3 and Covenant more often now.
Because Alien is a really scary and creepy horror masterpiece, while Aliens is basically just another scifi war movie imo.
QuoteDon't throw shit at me for this, but it seems to me that nowadays liking Alien over Aliens perceived as ... a trait of a smarter, more sophisticated human being.
It's not nowadays. Liking Alien over Aliens has always been the trait of a smarter, more sophisticated human being.
Well, that's outright rude.
Reality can be cruel.
SM = Reality.
Duly noted
Quote from: SM on May 05, 2020, 10:08:42 PM
QuoteDon't throw shit at me for this, but it seems to me that nowadays liking Alien over Aliens perceived as ... a trait of a smarter, more sophisticated human being.
It's not nowadays. Liking Alien over Aliens has always been the trait of a smarter, more sophisticated human being.
What about liking Alien 3 over Aliens?
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Aliens is a great movie and i like it, but I actually prefer Alien, because it's not only more horror, but also it feels kind of "real".
For example, the work colleagues don't feel like they're all best friends forever. They aren't hostile either, like Clemens and Andrews or maybe Fifield and Millburn in the beginning. They keep it kinda civil like in real life. Also for example, after Ripley and Ash had their dispute why Ash doesn't gain more progress, they show him taking a drink and going out of the room. This last moment feels so real. Movies usually would have skipped this, because it's unnecessary. But I like this, because it feels so "organic" and real. I can dive into this movie better, if that makes any sense.
I'm also a bit conflicted with the Queen idea. I actually would have prefered the egg morphing. Now the Aliens are like an ant hive or a bee hive. Though the Queen looks really cool, including AVP 1 movie, I rather would have prefered the Xenomorph to be less like an insect.
I don't even want to know what does make you if you like AVP Requiem over Alien.
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What is today? Tuesday? Alien is my favorite. Yesterday it was Aliens, might be again tomorrow.
That's the cycle for me lol.
They are both masterpieces.
If someone can only see Aliens as an action film, I think they are missing a lot of the subtext, and the central theme of the film. It's a film that happens to have action. It's just some of the best action ever filmed.
Quote from: razeak on May 06, 2020, 04:02:00 AM
What is today? Tuesday? Alien is my favorite. Yesterday it was Aliens, might be again tomorrow.
That's the cycle for me lol.
They are both masterpieces.
If someone can only see Aliens as an action film, I think they are missing a lot of the subtext, and the central theme of the film. It's a film that happens to have action. It's just some of the best action ever filmed.
Wait! what if Alien was made last Tuesday but with the cinematographic appearance of being 41 years old ???
Spoiler
Last Thursdayism (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Last_Thursdayism)
Makes you smart on Tuesdays though. 8)
Quote from: razeak on May 06, 2020, 04:02:00 AM
What is today? Tuesday? Alien is my favorite. Yesterday it was Aliens, might be again tomorrow.
That's the cycle for me lol.
They are both masterpieces.
If someone can only see Aliens as an action film, I think they are missing a lot of the subtext, and the central theme of the film. It's a film that happens to have action. It's just some of the best action ever filmed.
Yep. It's not about "oorah, we won !", it's about "oh f**k, we lost !"
Alien is a masterpiece that defined its genre: gothic horror is space. Aliens is well-crafted action-packed sequel.
It does boggle the mind that some refuse to acknowledge that Aliens was every bit as groundbreaking and influential as the first film. Much like Alien defined the sci-fi horror, Aliens defined the sci-fi actioner. Its particular look and feel is every bit as pervasive in the genre as Alien's.
For the same reason I prefer The Terminator over T2. It's a different type of film, a taut horror thriller instead of an action movie.
Seriously, I love both films as the best in their respective genres. They are the creme de la creme in space horror & space action. And then, the elevator to hell begins. You can find merits here and there, but the movies that came later fail to match the status of the first 2 movies in their respective sub-genres.
I don't know, I think Alien 3 might be the best space prison movie. :D
I do like Alien 3 basically just as much as I like Aliens, and I really do love Aliens. They're tied in second for me, after the original.
Hey! if Star Wars is fantasy cosplaying sci-fi, then Alien³ may be a prison film (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_film) set in space. ::)
Spoiler
;D
Don't worry, Alien 3 2 will follow Morse making a The Shawshank Redemption-style prison break from his WY holding cell.
Alien³ epilogue is hands down the best idea since The Cold Forge. However....
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 06, 2020, 02:26:49 PM
Don't worry, Alien 3 2 will follow Morse making a The Shawshank Redemption-style prison break from his WY holding cell.
That might turn Alien³ into the prologue of a masterpiece.
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Quote from: SiL on May 06, 2020, 11:31:05 AM
It does boggle the mind that some refuse to acknowledge that Aliens was every bit as groundbreaking and influential as the first film. Much like Alien defined the sci-fi horror, Aliens defined the sci-fi actioner. Its particular look and feel is every bit as pervasive in the genre as Alien's.
Not sure, but if you're serious, I agree
Quote from: Kradan on May 06, 2020, 05:47:13 PM
Not sure, but if you're serious, I agree
Very serious. Dismissing
Aliens as "just a good action movie" is almost asinine.
Does anyone claim that though ???
I thought there was a consensus in regard Aliens as one of the most influential movies ever. It's just that some prefer Alien. A movie that is also a masterpiece; which is, you know, just different from the sequel. :-\
In actual fact, I'd love to see Cameron coming back to the Alien series.
Hmm I wish I'd pay more attention 😶
And to be fair I'm not bashing the good Doctor, just using the post as an example. There are more than a few people who put Alien on an almighty pedestal then act like Aliens is a run of the mill 80s film with no remarkable qualities.
Just another dumb, generic, pew-pew ripoff of Starship Troopers, right?
Aliens is also a really good thriller with some great horror moments on top of the fantastic character development of Ripley.
"Derp derp! It has guns! Action movie! Her der!"
It's stupid. Horror doesn't automatically get a pass over action as a genre.
They're both pretty much near perfect and to sit back and regurgitate "Alien is a good sci go horror and Aliens is a good Sci fi action" as if that is the only thing way to compare them has gotten lazy or habit. Or people are tired of the comparison lol.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 07, 2020, 02:09:14 AM
Just another dumb, generic, pew-pew ripoff of Starship Troopers, right?
I've heard people try to say the film was a ripoff of the book and I knew those people had either never read the book or never watched
Aliens.
I rate Aliens alongside stuff like Empire Strikes Back in the 'Best Sequels Ever' stakes.
Precisely.
Quote from: SiL on May 07, 2020, 02:54:54 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 07, 2020, 02:09:14 AM
Just another dumb, generic, pew-pew ripoff of Starship Troopers, right?
I've heard people try to say the film was a ripoff of the book and I knew those people had either never read the book or never watched Aliens.
Some interpret the social darwinism in Starship Tropeers as a fascist concept. Aliens has nothing to do with it. It has more in common with the Vietnam War. It's like comparing Star Trek with Star Wars. Two universes with spaceships & aliens, and yet totally different. The similarities are superficial at best.
I absolutely adore ALIEN and ALIENS.
But I think as I get older I start to lean towards ALIEN. But it could just be a phase where I switch between the two.
For a long time ALIENS was my favorite.
But the sheer dread and mysticism of the first one has started to take more of my interest.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 07, 2020, 03:53:38 AM
Some interpret the social darwinism in Starship Tropeers as a fascist concept.
Some interpret the fascism in Starship Troopers as fascism. It was not subtle.
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on May 07, 2020, 07:51:07 AM
I absolutely adore ALIEN and ALIENS.
But I think as I get older I start to lean towards ALIEN. But it could just be a phase where I switch between the two.
For a long time ALIENS was my favorite.
But the sheer dread and mysticism of the first one has started to take more of my interest.
That exactly the way I feel. The sheer mystery of the creature itself the derelict and space jockey transcends time for me.
Alien I would say I prefer more as its more mysterious and horror and you are alone out in deep space with something deadly and inteligent creature that you have almost no knowledge about. These days its my fave bed time story :D
Aliens is like redlettermedia said: a movie that do what alien did beat for beat: cryosleep, both have motion tracker, both have a breakfast scene, both show the alien around 1 hour in, both have the end being a countdown to impending explosion, both have a boss ending where the alien is defeated in the same way: through the airlock. Both ends in the same way.
Basicly Aliens is alien but reshaped a bit and marines added to the formula.
Reading the entries it's interesting to me to see that as oppose to few others, I originally didn't like or dislike Aliens, and was instead fascinated by the dark and mysterious feel of the first film. And that's another thing, few already mentioned that what they really liked about the original was the mystery and the untold. So did I. It wasn't until as late as maybe 2009 or 2010 (and Ive been an Alien fan since early to mid 90s) when I rewatched Aliens for the first time in years that it completely floored me and I passionately admire it just as much as the first film. What I love most about Aliens is the feel of it, the look, and the backlit imagery is just stunning
Alien is high art, one of the best pieces of scifi cinematic art there is.
Aliens is one of the best pieces of entertainment ever made.
It's one of the reasons why the franchise, even parts of it the people dismiss, is so great. I can't think of other franchises so well known that allow filmmakers to depart stylistically so much from one another. 1 2 3 and Res are all vastly different and regardless of your opinion of their success they feel deeply like the people who created them. Which is pretty amazing for an on again off again tent pole series.
Alien is a lot of things but high art is a stretch...
Quote from: Nrmiller on Jul 08, 2020, 11:09:17 AM
Alien is high art, one of the best pieces of scifi cinematic art there is.
Aliens is one of the best pieces of entertainment ever made.
I definitely think of Alien in those terms. A very sophisticated art house sci-fi horror. Very Kubrickian. You could almost replace "Directed by Ridley Scott" with "Directed by Stanley Kubrick". Aliens is a brilliant, brilliant popcorn movie and I love it to death. But I prefer Alien.
Alien is very far removed from a Kubrick movie. You could slap Kubrick's name on it, but you'd just have people being very confused at his abandonment of all of his vision and style.
And art house? How? It's an entirely conventional movie done well.
Often a number of successful popular art gets reframed as high art, as time goes on, Alien's one such example. High versus Low art's a harmful distinction anyway.
At least we can agree that monster design is based on art. :laugh:
I doubt it's the view history's going to take. As far as related to Alien Percy Bysshe Shelleys work, Mary Wollstonecraft Shelleys work, with William Shakespeares works arguably the most famous example of one becoming the other.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jul 08, 2020, 09:52:06 PM
Often a number of successful popular art gets reframed as high art, as time goes on, Alien's one such example.
I'd appreciate some examples if it's that often.
"High" and "Low" art usually refer to whether something is accessible to the masses or more for those with refined taste.
Alien was and is easily accessible to anyone.
Thanks!
I disagree Alien has yet risen above "popular", though (and and again I don't see that as a bad thing). I think we've got a few years left before brain sucking monsters become the purview of the refined.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 08, 2020, 09:39:33 PM
Alien is very far removed from a Kubrick movie. You could slap Kubrick's name on it, but you'd just have people being very confused at his abandonment of all of his vision and style.
Agreed. Ridley was clearly inspired by Kubrick and 2001 but his take on sci-fi is very distinct from Kubrick's one. 2001 to me feels as epic story that raises grand philosophical questions about humanity and universe. Alien in it's core is much more grounded movie about common people being thrown into uncommon situation. The only thing in Alien that has that "grand" feel to it is Space Jockey scene
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 09, 2020, 08:59:28 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 08, 2020, 09:39:33 PM
Alien is very far removed from a Kubrick movie. You could slap Kubrick's name on it, but you'd just have people being very confused at his abandonment of all of his vision and style.
Agreed. Ridley was clearly inspired by Kubrick and 2001 but his take on sci-fi is very distinct from Kubrick's one. 2001 to me feels as epic story that raises grand philosophical questions about humanity and universe. Alien in it's core is much more grounded movie about common people being thrown into uncommon situation. The only thing in Alien that has that "grand" feel to it is Space Jockey scene
It wasn't really my intention to compare 2001 with Alien. That's apples and oranges. But if in the 70s Kubrick wanted to make a science fiction horror movie in outer space that was grounded in "realism" and featured a hostile organism (kind of like the opposite to his 2001) then the film he would've made probably wouldn't have been a million miles away from Alien. Of course, we'll never know :laugh:
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 09, 2020, 08:59:28 AM
Agreed. Ridley was clearly inspired by Kubrick and 2001 but his take on sci-fi is very distinct from Kubrick's one. 2001 to me feels as epic story that raises grand philosophical questions about humanity and universe.
Oh, he made that one.. well kinda.
Spoiler
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Definitely not high art though :-X
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 09, 2020, 11:16:56 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 09, 2020, 08:59:28 AM
Agreed. Ridley was clearly inspired by Kubrick and 2001 but his take on sci-fi is very distinct from Kubrick's one. 2001 to me feels as epic story that raises grand philosophical questions about humanity and universe.
Oh, he made that one.. well kinda.
Spoiler
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Definitely not high art though :-X
You know what ? I enjoy Prometheus hell a lot more than 2001 which I've watched only once. People who say that Alien has slow pacing definetly haven't seen 2001. My God, Kubrick just loves to drag the movie for as long as possible and that irritates the shit out of me
Quote from: SiL on Jul 08, 2020, 11:29:25 AM
Alien is a lot of things but high art is a stretch...
Yeah, I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly.
Not being high art isn't a knock to the film of course! Not at all!
Quote from: SiL on Jul 08, 2020, 11:29:25 AM
Alien is a lot of things but high art is a stretch...
Maybe "high" is a divisive term, I could certainly put on a pretty impassioned speech but I'll admit I'm pretty skewed. The important thing is that Alien and Aliens are to me very distinct types of films and are at the same times, prime examples of the subgenres they inhabit.
One's horror and one's action. One's designed to chill, the other to thrill. They are very different types of films - but both were designed to entertain an audience.
Everyone involved in Alien was trying to make an unpretentious scary movie and they succeeded - I think calling it high art or arthouse kind of undermines what an achievement it really was. Alien thrilled the masses, not the cultural elite.
High Art
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_culture#High_art
Art house:
A cinema which specializes in showing films that are artistic or experimental rather than merely entertaining.
Or
Used to refer to films that are of high quality but may not be extremely popular or successful.
Often times "high art" usually's created with the intention to primarily entertain but gets value attributed to it over time, whether it's expertise in the text or various readings of the subtext.
It all gets particularly muddy when you bring other non-western or non-wealthy opinions for example, into the mix, people ask why's Alien not counted amongst high cultural works? William Shakespeare's plays, once thought of as nothing but low brow entertainment, now hold a firm place as high brow entertainment.
But it is in theme primarily, while rarely meditated upon enough to give a definitive answer, the word play acted as an entertaining vessel for the musings- although apparently not intended to become a great philosophical thing- it did. Much the same's applicable to Alien I think, and will only increase in the years to come as it's groundbreaking qualities get re-examined over and over again.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jul 14, 2020, 06:04:27 AM
Art house:
A cinema which specializes in showing films that are artistic or experimental rather than merely entertaining.
Not
Alien.
QuoteOr
Used to refer to films that are of high quality but may not be extremely popular or successful.
Latter part also not
Alien.
QuoteWilliam Shakespeare's plays, once thought of as nothing but low brow entertainment, now hold a firm place as high brow entertainment.
Some do, but not all of them.
Titus, for example, has always been a black sheep in his works.
As time goes on and attention spans continuously shrink I think it'll end up becoming 'high art' as a byproduct of changing tastes. But it's still a successful, popular work that continues to entertain.
I guess I just don't see why it's not enough to say
Alien is very well made and resonates more with some people than
Aliens. I'm finding more people trying to put it on some sort of artistic pedestal and it grinds against my disdain for elitism; especially when it seems almost invariably coupled with digging at
Aliens for being some sort of "low brow", almost disposable entertainment.
Quoted from "10 great arthouse sci-fi films" from the BFI: "...sci-fi is such a huge part of modern cinema that filmmakers like Ridley Scott (Alien, 1979; Blade Runner,1982) and Christopher Nolan (Interstellar, 2004) have blurred distinctions between mainstream and arthouse". It's an interesting discussion.
Blurred distinctions? Definitely more so Blade Runner than Alien by far in my opinion, but that's ultimately fair. To different degrees it's like The Shinning, not high art, but yet...
Quote from: SiL on Jul 14, 2020, 06:42:20 AM
I guess I just don't see why it's not enough to say Alien is very well made and resonates more with some people than Aliens. I'm finding more people trying to put it on some sort of artistic pedestal and it grinds against my disdain for elitism; especially when it seems almost invariably coupled with digging at Aliens for being some sort of "low brow", almost disposable entertainment.
Agreed. I enjoy the discussion on it's own merits, but too often in conversation I hear Alien elected into some sort of film aristocracy with the single purpose to bludgeon its sequel with it.
Quote from: son_of_kane on Jul 14, 2020, 12:22:23 PM
Quoted from "10 great arthouse sci-fi films" from the BFI: "...sci-fi is such a huge part of modern cinema that filmmakers like Ridley Scott (Alien, 1979; Blade Runner,1982) and Christopher Nolan (Interstellar, 2004) have blurred distinctions between mainstream and arthouse". It's an interesting discussion.
https://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/lists/10-great-arthouse-sci-fi-films
In context it reads like he says the directors are blurring the lines, but not necessarily those films (surely
Inception would be a better pick for Nolan.)
Alien is an entirely conventional movie with great art design, that really doesn't make it arthouse.
Blade Runner would be closer to the mark.
I don't think Scott would appreciate the title, though - he makes films for the common audience. When people were trying to reassure him by saying
Blade Runner was just ahead of its time he said that was just as bad as being behind its time.
Hell, some people actually consider Alien 3 to be high art...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2020, 09:55:29 PM
Hell, some people actually consider Alien 3 to be high art...
Are you one of those people?
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2020, 09:55:29 PM
Hell, some people actually consider Alien 3 to be high art...
Sheesh. There's a huge difference between being intentionally dense and layered and obtuse and difficult to understand and ... whatever the hell happened to
Alien3.
This thread could turn ugly fast.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2020, 09:55:29 PM
Hell, some people actually consider Alien 3 to be high art...
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2020, 10:12:22 PM
This thread could turn ugly fast.
I think it's been pretty respectful so far. Nothing's really getting heated.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 14, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
Agreed. I enjoy the discussion on it's own merits, but too often in conversation I hear Alien elected into some sort of film aristocracy with the single purpose to bludgeon its sequel with it.
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Now would be a good time for SEB to make an appearance.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 14, 2020, 11:58:51 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2020, 10:12:22 PM
This thread could turn ugly fast.
I think it's been pretty respectful so far. Nothing's really getting heated.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 14, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
Agreed. I enjoy the discussion on it's own merits, but too often in conversation I hear Alien elected into some sort of film aristocracy with the single purpose to bludgeon its sequel with it.
https://i.imgur.com/29h9DHO.gif
:laugh:
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Quote from: SiL on Jul 14, 2020, 06:42:20 AM
I guess I just don't see why it's not enough to say Alien is very well made and resonates more with some people than Aliens. I'm finding more people trying to put it on some sort of artistic pedestal and it grinds against my disdain for elitism; especially when it seems almost invariably coupled with digging at Aliens for being some sort of "low brow", almost disposable entertainment.
Yes, yes and yes
Quote from: SiL on Jul 14, 2020, 09:44:37 PM
I don't think Scott would appreciate the title, though - he makes films for the common audience. When people were trying to reassure him by saying Blade Runner was just ahead of its time he said that was just as bad as being behind its time.
Well said, sir
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2020, 09:55:29 PM
Hell, some people actually consider Alien 3 to be high art...
There are those that consider Alien 3 to be high art... And then there are those that are wrong 😉
Quote from: Its_Auto on Jul 16, 2020, 12:11:05 AM
There are those that consider Alien 3 to be high art... And then there are those that are wrong 😉
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Quote from: Its_Auto on Jul 16, 2020, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2020, 09:55:29 PM
Hell, some people actually consider Alien 3 to be high art...
There are those that consider Alien 3 to be high art... And then there are those that are wrong 😉
Uh-oh...
Quote from: SiL on Jul 14, 2020, 09:44:37 PM
I don't think Scott would appreciate the title, though - he makes films for the common audience. When people were trying to reassure him by saying Blade Runner was just ahead of its time he said that was just as bad as being behind its time.
Yeah, he wasn't too happy when The Duellists got mistaken for an art film and got booked on the art-house circuit instead of mainstream cinemas.
Quote from: Its_Auto on Jul 16, 2020, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2020, 09:55:29 PM
Hell, some people actually consider Alien 3 to be high art...
There are those that consider Alien 3 to be high art... And then there are those that are wrong 😉
Finally, someone said it 👏👏👏 A beer for this dude 🍺
And one more for the road
Alien stand alone is an odd creepy 70s sci-fi that is simple yet complete. Even things like the Space Jocky which you later would say "oh and what was that too?" You could tell it was built and made properly. It's one you warm to more as you get older if you are not from the time it came out.
I felt the same as a young kid. Alien was too boring for me and Aliens appealed much more to me as a child but as i grew older the more i loved it.
Aliens is more action packed, and that appeals to kids.
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 11, 2020, 07:06:22 PM
Aliens is more action packed, and that appeals to kids.
Not in my case. I didn't 'jump ship' when ALIENS arrived in 1986. I've always liked the original's more overt (compared to ALIENS) horror.
And it helps greatly, that the original film still has the best (adult) creature design.
Alien definitely had the better design, and the overall quality was better. Cameron had to workaround the costs and the most visual examples being the ridged dome and the fact that the Aliens are almost always in the shadows.
Quote from: S1L on Nov 11, 2020, 05:00:24 PM
Alien stand alone is an odd creepy 70s sci-fi that is simple yet complete.
- I understand the desire for simplicity. Many things in "Alien" can be pushed aside and the film can be looked at as just pure horror.
- O'Bannon, the main writer of "Alien", didn't want any of the additions about Ash being a spy for the company and the many background ideas which came from that.
- O'Bannon wanted a simple horror story in space. And many fans of the "Alien" franchise over the years have told me that's exactly how they look at it. I get that.
* For me personally? I give"Alien" and "Aliens" the same rating.
- I see them as closely connected as one story.
- I lean towards the Giler/Hill version of the "Alien" script. Even with just the film and Special Order 937, Ash knows quite a bit about what is coming and what's going on.
With Ash manipulating the situation, such as breaking quarantine, using the slant from the Giler/Hill view, Ash's role involves knowing that the creature is a dangerous parasite to Kane's body.
* A source outside of canon, the "Alien" novel published in 1979, is on the side of Giler/Hill's view of "Alien".
- Cameron understood this. Burke and the company conspiracy to get Xenomorph specimens fits this idea.
;)
Aliens dilutes the lethality of the perfect organism, and its general 'alien' self. It's robbed of being foreign: with a biology outside of the human scope of our understanding: by having an alien queen, or anything akin to a known animal, such as an ant hive.
And, generally speaking -- the characters of Alien come off as people, and get a good hour or so before they hit the chopping block. Maybe just personal preference, but I've always enjoyed them more.
I wouldn't have thought 'organism impregnates host with parasite which kills host when it is born' is terribly beyond most humans understanding.
Quote from: Basher917 on Nov 16, 2020, 04:04:23 AM
Aliens dilutes the lethality of the perfect organism, and its general 'alien' self.
Aliens does more to show off the creature's inteligence than the first film.
Reminder that Ridley's second stab at showing off the Alien itself made it look pretty dumb....
(Even Fincher described his creature as just a "big dumb" thing).
and a lot of the first Alien film is spent understanding and laying out some of the general "rules" of its biology.
the Alien is a "mystery" that the first film spends a lot of time solving.
O'Bannon used the term "ignorant".
To be fair that's because he then said it would go on to live a scholarly life after its initial bloodlust, wasn't it?
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2020, 04:56:49 AM
O'Bannon used the term "ignorant".
I'd use the term "simple jack".
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Quote from: SiL on Nov 16, 2020, 05:43:22 AM
To be fair that's because he then said it would go on to live a scholarly life after its initial bloodlust, wasn't it?
I think they were two separate statements that added up to the same thing. The 'ignorant' context was because the Alien had never been exposed to any others of its kind. From memory.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 16, 2020, 05:43:22 AM
To be fair that's because he then said it would go on to live a scholarly life after its initial bloodlust, wasn't it?
Haha! :laugh:
Quote from: Aliens1986fanboy on May 03, 2020, 02:03:59 AM
I for one prefer Aliens mainly because its a sci-fi action movie and its much more exciting.
However I find the original Alien pretty damn boring (I don't hate the movie though) its just not my kind of movie,
Not much happens in the original Alien as for Aliens it has quite a few things happening (once it gets going)
Deeply cursed original post.
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2020, 04:07:15 AM
I wouldn't have thought 'organism impregnates host with parasite which kills host when it is born' is terribly beyond most humans understanding.
True, but I was referring more to the really weird movements and behaviors it exhibits during the way it kills Lambert and generally whatever the f**k its doing during the shuttle scene.
It displays a foreign intelligence: in how it stowed away on the escape shuttle, but doesn't gun for Ripley like a mindless animal. It takes its time -- perhaps deliberately.
But the point is to not know its intent. Not to know what happened to Dallas when he just 'disappeared'. Think it adds to the horror of the creature's nature.
Why do i prefere Alien?!
Because its the better movie and aged alot better then Aliens.
Quote from: Basher917 on Nov 16, 2020, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2020, 04:07:15 AM
I wouldn't have thought 'organism impregnates host with parasite which kills host when it is born' is terribly beyond most humans understanding.
True, but I was referring more to the really weird movements and behaviors it exhibits during the way it kills Lambert and generally whatever the f**k its doing during the shuttle scene.
It displays a foreign intelligence: in how it stowed away on the escape shuttle, but doesn't gun for Ripley like a mindless animal. It takes its time -- perhaps deliberately.
But the point is to not know its intent. Not to know what happened to Dallas when he just 'disappeared'. Think it adds to the horror of the creature's nature.
This is the beauty of Alien in all it's 70s sci-fi oddness. The slowness and strange behavior. Even the question of the space jockey too. The crew are a bit odd also. I mentioned it before on here the other day. There was an American guy on another forum (I bet he's on here too) years ago now who was one of the original Alien fans (and Outlander too which has over time been kind of linked unofficially to the Alien universe at times). He walked out on Aliens at the cinema. He said others did too at the time. Which I found interesting. What was the second movie original Alien fans wanted?
Fincher also had a bit of this mindset didn't he.
Quote from: Basher917 on Nov 16, 2020, 02:02:36 PM
True, but I was referring more to the really weird movements and behaviors it exhibits during the way it kills Lambert and generally whatever the f**k its doing during the shuttle scene.
The way it just kind of stands there and studies Lambert is absolutely chilling. The stuff of nightmares.
Quote from: Basher917 on Nov 16, 2020, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2020, 04:07:15 AM
I wouldn't have thought 'organism impregnates host with parasite which kills host when it is born' is terribly beyond most humans understanding.
True, but I was referring more to the really weird movements and behaviors it exhibits during the way it kills Lambert and generally whatever the f**k its doing during the shuttle scene.
It displays a foreign intelligence: in how it stowed away on the escape shuttle, but doesn't gun for Ripley like a mindless animal. It takes its time -- perhaps deliberately.
But the point is to not know its intent. Not to know what happened to Dallas when he just 'disappeared'. Think it adds to the horror of the creature's nature.
This is all behaviour, not biology.
Quote from: Basher917 on Nov 16, 2020, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2020, 04:07:15 AM
I wouldn't have thought 'organism impregnates host with parasite which kills host when it is born' is terribly beyond most humans understanding.
True, but I was referring more to the really weird movements and behaviors it exhibits during the way it kills Lambert and generally whatever the f**k its doing during the shuttle scene.
It displays a foreign intelligence: in how it stowed away on the escape shuttle, but doesn't gun for Ripley like a mindless animal. It takes its time -- perhaps deliberately.
But the point is to not know its intent. Not to know what happened to Dallas when he just 'disappeared'. Think it adds to the horror of the creature's nature.
I sometimes think of the Xenomorph's behavior being like a super intelligent leopard. A cunning stalker, ambush predator.
;)
I see Xenomorph behavior as being sort of cat like.
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 24, 2020, 01:52:10 AM
I see Xenomorph behavior as being sort of cat like.
Yes, especially in "Alien".
;)
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 24, 2020, 02:01:48 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 24, 2020, 01:52:10 AM
I see Xenomorph behavior as being sort of cat like.
Yes, especially in "Alien".
;)
The Covenant Alien reminded me of a panther.
Quote from: son_of_kane on Nov 16, 2020, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: Basher917 on Nov 16, 2020, 02:02:36 PM
True, but I was referring more to the really weird movements and behaviors it exhibits during the way it kills Lambert and generally whatever the f**k its doing during the shuttle scene.
The way it just kind of stands there and studies Lambert is absolutely chilling. The stuff of nightmares.
Also childlike.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 24, 2020, 02:12:37 AM
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 24, 2020, 02:01:48 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 24, 2020, 01:52:10 AM
I see Xenomorph behavior as being sort of cat like.
Yes, especially in "Alien".
;)
The Covenant Alien reminded me of a panther.
I agree when the xeno was slowly crawling on the outside of the ship.
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Once it got inside, it was less of a cat-like ambush predator.
* The pack of neomorphs reminded me of wild dogs. Pretty frightening.
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;)
Xenomorph > Protomorph
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 24, 2020, 11:20:48 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 24, 2020, 02:12:37 AM
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 24, 2020, 02:01:48 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 24, 2020, 01:52:10 AM
I see Xenomorph behavior as being sort of cat like.
Yes, especially in "Alien".
;)
The Covenant Alien reminded me of a panther.
I agree when the xeno was slowly crawling on the outside of the ship.
(https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/2017/05/alien-covenant-ac_152_00459216_rgb_copy_-_h_2017.jpg)
Once it got inside, it was less of a cat-like ambush predator.
* The pack of neomorphs reminded me of wild dogs. Pretty frightening.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Faliencovenant_uploads%2FNeo10.png&hash=90d7730d1c382e617577e410ef65a534b9f48144)
;)
It's a nice contrast to the more anthropomorphic Alien in the original film. That makes Big Chap look hauntingly smart and David's Alien more feral. :)
Quote from: son_of_kane on Nov 16, 2020, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: Basher917 on Nov 16, 2020, 02:02:36 PM
True, but I was referring more to the really weird movements and behaviors it exhibits during the way it kills Lambert and generally whatever the f**k its doing during the shuttle scene.
The way it just kind of stands there and studies Lambert is absolutely chilling. The stuff of nightmares.
My favourite scene from the film.
That brief head and shoulders shot of it (as Parker shouts out: "
Get out of the way, Lambert!") as it faces Lambert, its arms raised up and outstretched, is a beauty. I'd love to see the raw, unedited take of that shot just to see how it would've ended.
Quote from: S1L on Nov 24, 2020, 08:53:08 AM
Quote from: son_of_kane on Nov 16, 2020, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: Basher917 on Nov 16, 2020, 02:02:36 PM
True, but I was referring more to the really weird movements and behaviors it exhibits during the way it kills Lambert and generally whatever the f**k its doing during the shuttle scene.
The way it just kind of stands there and studies Lambert is absolutely chilling. The stuff of nightmares.
Also childlike.
The unused shots of a terrified Brett, trying to scream, revealed the Alien's inquisitive nature towards its victims through some interesting body language (the initial hand reaching out).
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 25, 2020, 12:02:56 AM
Xenomorph > Protomorph
We don't use that word here... >:(
Is it the same thing as with "Super-Predators" ? Because it gets tiresome
The "Protomorph" term is typically used as a moniker for Covenant's Aliens, as they are close - but not quite there yet - to being David's final iteration of his "Perfect Organism."
I don't really like using the name "Protomorph" either, and tend to just refer to the Covenant Aliens simply as Aliens much like I do the Aliens in the four original films, which also all had their own unique traits and attributes that varied filmmaker to filmmaker.
The script and production used the term 'Xenomorph'.
'Protomorph' can get in the bin.
the rpg book uses "praetomorph" for the Covenant-ayys for some reason.
What's wrong with Protomorph.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 25, 2020, 08:04:19 PM
the rpg book uses "praetomorph" for the Covenant-ayys for some reason.
And that's worse.
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 25, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
What's wrong with Protomorph.
I don't get it either. It's fan-name used to distinguish Covenant's xenomorph from the ones we see in other movies. What's wrong with that ?
Btw, IIRC nickname "Fugitive Predator" also came from fandom and nobody bitches about that
Can't speak for anyone else, but I still get slightly mad about the term xenomorph so derivatives of it are tarred with the same brush.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 25, 2020, 09:14:07 PM
Can't speak for anyone else, but I still get slightly mad about the term xenomorph so derivatives of it are tarred with the same brush.
Fair enough
The Covenant Alien is David's prototype of the finished Xenomorph. Protomorph is a fitting name.
And I'll still never use the term xenomorph with a capital letter or as a descriptor for the Alien.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 25, 2020, 09:20:59 PM
And I'll still never use the term xenomorph with a capital letter or as a descriptor for the Alien.
Because it's just something the Marines dubbed it?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2013, 11:08:17 PMOnly pedantic dickhead lieutenants would actually use the term "xenomorph" with a straight face. ;)
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 25, 2020, 09:14:07 PM
Can't speak for anyone else, but I still get slightly mad about the term xenomorph so derivatives of it are tarred with the same brush.
It's not my favourite term either due to it being so broad; but it's easy to use when you want to be specific about a capital A Alien.
Protomorph or Praetomorph or whatever is right up there with Ravager or Razor Claws.
"Praetomorph" also smacks of praetorian, which is something to be avoided.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 25, 2020, 02:59:05 PM
The "Protomorph" term is typically used as a moniker for Covenant's Aliens, as they are close - but not quite there yet - to being David's final iteration of his "Perfect Organism."
Specific names for each film is too complicated for me. I'll stick with Xenomorph.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 25, 2020, 02:59:05 PM
I don't really like using the name "Protomorph" either, and tend to just refer to the Covenant Aliens simply as Aliens much like I do the Aliens in the four original films, which also all had their own unique traits and attributes that varied filmmaker to filmmaker.
If the criticism of Xenomorph is that it is too broad a term (from the Greek, Xenos = stranger and morph = form/shape),
I don't see Alien as an improvement. In fact I think it is worse in terms of being too generalIzed.
I know that in Wikipedia, Alien is the first term used for what I call the Xenomorph.
But if someone asked me, what I thought of that Alien in the movie"Alien", I'd ask which one?
After all, the Space Jockey is also an alien, as in space alien.
If I'm looking at the movie "Alien" as a whole, I associate the word, alien, not with one creature but with the strangeness of all of Giger's designs which are brilliantly unusual, different, alien.
;)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 26, 2020, 01:41:55 AM
"Praetomorph" also smacks of praetorian, which is something to be avoided.
Indeed.
Allow me to also firmly join the anti-praetorian camp.
What's your take on the Queen in Aliens. Did you think she was a good idea or not?
Yes I think she was a good idea. I find the discarded egg morphing stuff more disturbing but the Queen makes sense and suits the film.
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 25, 2020, 09:24:23 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 25, 2020, 09:20:59 PM
And I'll still never use the term xenomorph with a capital letter or as a descriptor for the Alien.
Because it's just something the Marines dubbed it?
No, because you seem to be, as many others have done in past, assuming a lot about the term Gorman uses to sound smarter than he is that the film never intends to convey.
Quote from: SM on Nov 26, 2020, 12:14:32 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 25, 2020, 09:14:07 PM
Can't speak for anyone else, but I still get slightly mad about the term xenomorph so derivatives of it are tarred with the same brush.
It's not my favourite term either due to it being so broad; but it's easy to use when you want to be specific about a capital A Alien.
Protomorph or Praetomorph or whatever is right up there with Ravager or Razor Claws.
Although as is often the case, this Aussie has the right idea even if I'm more stuck up and opinionated than he is on a given subject.
Quote from: S1L on Nov 26, 2020, 09:14:01 AM
What's your take on the Queen in Aliens. Did you think she was a good idea or not?
I really love the Queen and I really love
Aliens as a film in general.
That being said, I'm not a super heavy stickler for continuity, so if another film wanted to try something different in regards to the Alien lifecycle, I don't think I would be super opposed to that either.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 26, 2020, 01:30:12 PM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 26, 2020, 09:14:01 AM
What's your take on the Queen in Aliens. Did you think she was a good idea or not?
I really love the Queen and I really love Aliens as a film in general.
That being said, I'm not a super heavy stickler for continuity, so if another film wanted to try something different in regards to the Alien lifecycle, I don't think I would be super opposed to that either.
Based take.
Thanks guys. Always like to see what people think on stuff like the Queen.
Has there ever been a thread on here about what you have seen to be influenced by the the Alien movies. Colonial Marines must be one of the major ones. Warhammer Space Marines etc.
Quote from: S1L on Nov 26, 2020, 03:19:34 PM
Has there ever been a thread on here about what you have seen to be influenced by the the Alien movies. Colonial Marines must be one of the major ones. Warhammer Space Marines etc.
How about this one ;)
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64518.0
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 26, 2020, 03:48:21 PM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 26, 2020, 03:19:34 PM
Has there ever been a thread on here about what you have seen to be influenced by the the Alien movies. Colonial Marines must be one of the major ones. Warhammer Space Marines etc.
How about this one ;)
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64518.0
I never doubted it for a second...
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 26, 2020, 05:16:15 AM
Allow me to also firmly join the anti-praetorian camp.
Good lad.
Quote from: S1L on Nov 26, 2020, 09:14:01 AM
What's your take on the Queen in Aliens. Did you think she was a good idea or not?
I always remember first time seeing her in Aliens - it was truly "Oh shit !" moment. It's always the moment of the movie I anticipate the most
I would always refer to the Alien as a Xenomorph. It started with role playing games.
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 26, 2020, 09:24:54 PM
I would always refer to the Alien as a Xenomorph. It started with role playing games.
You shouldn't do that. It makes you sound like Gorman.
Why does everyone hate Gorman?
He's an asshole.
Isn't everyone kinda an ass? And I think AL()ENS is more fun to watch. What do you think?
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 26, 2020, 09:49:41 PM
Why does everyone hate Gorman?
I don't. I feel for the man - he wasn't outright evil, he happened to be put in the wrong position. And I like that Cameron gave him genuinely heroic moment near the end when goes back for Vasquez - woman that hated him the most and at one point was ready to kill him
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 26, 2020, 09:56:15 PM
And I think AL()ENS is more fun to watch. What do you think?
I agree. As much as I apreciate the original sitting through it often feels like a chore
Haha Praetomorph, good to hear that. ;D
The term Xenomorph is quite used on AVP2, must be why I'm okay with it and other morph names.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 26, 2020, 01:41:55 AM
"Praetomorph" also smacks of praetorian, which is something to be avoided.
Don't fight against the inevitable.
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 26, 2020, 09:49:41 PM
Why does everyone hate Gorman?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 26, 2020, 09:50:29 PM
He's an asshole.
He makes good fish sticks though...
(https://i.ibb.co/T1WKmjm/IMG-20200117-125938.jpg)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 26, 2020, 10:35:14 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/T1WKmjm/IMG-20200117-125938.jpg)
Btw, where's this shit coming from and why TheSailingRabbit hates it ?
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 26, 2020, 10:14:26 PM
I agree. As much as I apreciate the original sitting through it often feels like a chore
A classic film, but the running time discourages me from revisiting it more often.
The characters are more likeable in Alien.
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 26, 2020, 10:14:26 PM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 26, 2020, 09:49:41 PM
Why does everyone hate Gorman?
I don't. I feel for the man - he wasn't outright evil, he happened to be put in the wrong position. And I like that Cameron gave him genuinely heroic moment near the end when goes back for Vasquez - woman that hated him the most and at one point was ready to kill him
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 26, 2020, 09:56:15 PM
And I think AL()ENS is more fun to watch. What do you think?
I agree. As much as I apreciate the original sitting through it often feels like a chore
Gorman wasn't remotely evil - just overconfident and too inexperienced to command in that situation.
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 26, 2020, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 26, 2020, 10:35:14 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/T1WKmjm/IMG-20200117-125938.jpg)
Btw, where's this shit coming from and why TheSailingRabbit hates it ?
In a nutshell, in America there's a seafood brand Gorton's that offers frozen fish products. They even have a catchy jingle...♫
Trust the Gorton's Fisherman ♬
Well what we learned is Gorton is the great-great-great-grandfather of Scott Gorman, and Gorman briefly took over the family seafood business before he joined the corps and died on LV-426. Here is a picture of him fishing.
(https://i.ibb.co/g31QYHB/IMG-20200113-220927.jpg)
And a sample of his products:
(https://i.ibb.co/5kKYBpB/IMG-20200117-125938.jpg)
The controversy is, as well as the reason why TheSailingRabbit prefers this history to remain hidden, is during the holiday of Easter, Gorman briefly offered Fish Sticks in the shape of rabbits:
(https://i.ibb.co/qN56WRQ/IMG-20200131-100407.jpg)
It wasn't until an insider corporate whistleblower revealed that the rabbit shaped fish sticks were not made of fish at all, but actually made of rabbit meat, cooked with Gorman's eye lasers, a power obtained by a mysterious asteroid that landed near his cabin on his home planet.
(https://i.ibb.co/BLqjwKs/20200211-103011.gif)
The sad thing is, the very eye laser power that could have saved his life on LV-426 disappeared when he woke from his head injury.
And that is the legacy of the Gorman's Fisherman.
(https://i.ibb.co/p0hGhFf/IMG-20200123-103658.jpg)
R.I.P.
:D :D :D
That was incredible
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 26, 2020, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 26, 2020, 01:41:55 AM
"Praetomorph" also smacks of praetorian, which is something to be avoided.
Don't fight against the inevitable.
Praetorihain13
Yes. Gorman and everyone else was overconfident, except Ripley.
At least Gorman redeems himself, unlike characters from other movies...
(https://i.ibb.co/YWLgxY3/hqdefault.jpg)
Hey may not have had a dick, but Walter Peck was right:
QuoteBy and large, Ghostbusters holds up pretty well for a movie that's rapidly approaching its 40th birthday, but there's one aspect of the film that definitely marks it as a product of Reagan's '80s. The ultimate villain of the story might be Gozer the Gozerian, but the real bad guy who gets everything started is Walter Peck, the guy who shows up from the EPA and tries to shackle the Ghostbusters with all those pesky government regulations.
Here's the thing, though: Peck is roughly one million percent correct in virtually everything he does in the film. Just think about it for a second: if you heard that three discredited college professors were running around New York City with what they referred to as "unlicensed nuclear accelerators," and that they were keeping whatever extremely toxic byproducts that resulted in a homemade containment unit that they slapped together out of chicken wire, duct tape, and good vibes, you would probably want someone to look into that. If you found out that they were doing all of this because they wanted to turn a profit by atom-splitting nuclear laser beams at ghosts, you would definitely want someone — preferably several someones, preferably heavily armed — looking into that. Even the most libertarian view of regulatory agencies tends to make allowances for situations that include the words "homemade," "nuclear," and "Manhattan."
For all his brusqueness, Walter Peck is completely justified in checking things out. The only reason he gets hostile to the Ghostbusters is that Venkman, the least qualified member of the team when it comes to explaining how anything works, responds to his incredibly reasonable questions with open hostility. The fact that Peck comes back with only a single cop and a ConEd technician rather than, say, Seal Team Six, is a testament to just how evenhanded he's being.
https://www.looper.com/170123/dumb-things-in-ghostbusters-everyone-ignored
In real life, skeptical professionals with critical thinking are heroes. But in the Ghostbuster universe where ghosts are real and dangerous, I'd say that this piece of machinery should not have stopped working :laugh:
I agree that Peter Venkman was a dick though.
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 26, 2020, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 26, 2020, 09:14:01 AM
What's your take on the Queen in Aliens. Did you think she was a good idea or not?
I always remember first time seeing her in Aliens - it was truly "Oh shit !" moment. It's always the moment of the movie I anticipate the most
Do you think there will be some new scary big Alien in the next movie?
In the TV version of Ghostbusters here they used to cut out this man has no dick and dub it with Twinkie when it was shown before 9. Was funny as it was different in volume. lol
Wow!
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I'd like a movie about the last stand of Hadley's Hope.
Quote from: S1L on Nov 26, 2020, 11:36:16 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 26, 2020, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 26, 2020, 09:14:01 AM
What's your take on the Queen in Aliens. Did you think she was a good idea or not?
I always remember first time seeing her in Aliens - it was truly "Oh shit !" moment. It's always the moment of the movie I anticipate the most
Do you think there will be some new scary big Alien in the next movie?
One can only hope
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 27, 2020, 12:36:28 AM
I'd like a movie about the last stand of Hadley's Hope.
Same
Quote from: S1L on Nov 26, 2020, 11:36:16 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 26, 2020, 08:58:16 PM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 26, 2020, 09:14:01 AM
What's your take on the Queen in Aliens. Did you think she was a good idea or not?
I always remember first time seeing her in Aliens - it was truly "Oh shit !" moment. It's always the moment of the movie I anticipate the most
Do you think there will be some new scary big Alien in the next movie?
I for one, hope not.
You don't want Aliens to be scary ?
I want the normal ones to be scary, and gimmicky bigger ones don't help with that goal. Just use a Queen if you need big.
Oh yes that's cool. The last stand of Hadley Hope film. Like a short movie?
Who's doughnut that was and who owned the hamsters too :laugh:
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 25, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
What's wrong with Protomorph.
Speaking purely from my perspective, it's because it was coined by a notorious website with a huge reach that acted irresponsibly and just shared any old bullshit.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 25, 2020, 08:04:19 PM
the rpg book uses "praetomorph" for the Covenant-ayys for some reason.
Because Drew knew how much some of us loathed the Protomorph because of its origins, so that was his compromise.
In terms of Xenomorph, I actually like it as a generic descriptor instead of them being aliens. So the Aliens themselves being XX121 I really quite like. The Aliens = Xenomorphs is a no. The Aliens = Xenomorph XX121 is a yes.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 27, 2020, 06:16:25 AM
I want the normal ones to be scary, and gimmicky bigger ones don't help with that goal. Just use a Queen if you need big.
Fair enough
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 27, 2020, 06:16:25 AM
I want the normal ones to be scary, and gimmicky bigger ones don't help with that goal. Just use a Queen if you need big.
I like some of the Alien 5 concept stuff. Returned to Giger designs. Get back some original oddness.
(https://www.scified.com/u/Screenshot_20180206-085619.jpg)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2020, 10:05:01 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 25, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
What's wrong with Protomorph.
Speaking purely from my perspective, it's because it was coined by a notorious website with a huge reach that acted irresponsibly and just shared any old bullshit.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 25, 2020, 08:04:19 PM
the rpg book uses "praetomorph" for the Covenant-ayys for some reason.
Because Drew knew how much some of us loathed the Protomorph because of its origins, so that was his compromise.
In terms of Xenomorph, I actually like it as a generic descriptor instead of them being aliens. So the Aliens themselves being XX121 I really quite like. The Aliens = Xenomorphs is a no. The Aliens = Xenomorph XX121 is a yes.
Yeah as a generic term for lower case "a" aliens, sure. Even specifically the Alien, if it's qualified like that.
Quote from: S1L on Nov 27, 2020, 01:14:20 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 27, 2020, 06:16:25 AM
I want the normal ones to be scary, and gimmicky bigger ones don't help with that goal. Just use a Queen if you need big.
I like some of the Alien 5 concept stuff. Returned to Giger designs. Get back some original oddness.
(https://www.scified.com/u/Screenshot_20180206-085619.jpg)8
It's a bloody shame we didn't get to see some of Carlos' designs on-screen
Ok, I have a question:
I've heard several times people praising Alien because it's "timeless" and critising Aliens for being "so 80s" . Could someone explain what's so "timeless" about Alien and what's so "80s" about Aliens and why does it even matter ?
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 27, 2020, 04:02:05 PM
Ok, I have a question:
I've heard several times people praising Alien because it's "timeless" and critising Aliens for being "so 80s" . Could someone explain what's so "timeless" about Alien and what's so "80s" about Aliens and why does it even matter ?
To me "Timeless" is the quality of the film. You are involved with it. You don't see actors acting. Your witnessing the events. Watching individuals trying to survive an unknown threat the likes of which have never been seen before. The setting is secondary to the plot.
That is why ALIEN is timeless to me and also why I can watch it repeatedly. :)
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Nov 27, 2020, 07:10:35 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 27, 2020, 04:02:05 PM
Ok, I have a question:
I've heard several times people praising Alien because it's "timeless" and critising Aliens for being "so 80s" . Could someone explain what's so "timeless" about Alien and what's so "80s" about Aliens and why does it even matter ?
To me "Timeless" is the quality of the film. You are involved with it. You don't see actors acting. Your witnessing the events. Watching individuals trying to survive an unknown threat the likes of which have never been seen before. The setting is secondary to the plot.
That is why ALIEN is timeless to me and also why I can watch it repeatedly. :)
These are the exact same reasons why I consider 2001 to be timeless (the overall quality is undeniable, and HAL 9000 was a threat unlike anything audiences had seen before).
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2020, 10:05:01 AM
In terms of Xenomorph, I actually like it as a generic descriptor instead of them being aliens. So the Aliens themselves being XX121 I really quite like. The Aliens = Xenomorphs is a no. The Aliens = Xenomorph XX121 is a yes.
I'm fine with Xenomorph XX121.
Xenomorph with a qualifier makes sense and the XX121 can be assumed when I just use Xenomorph.
For me that solves the Space Jockey also being an alien problem which makes the term Alien too general for a specific creature imo.
;)
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 29, 2020, 12:55:03 PM
For me that solves the Space Jockey also being an alien problem which makes the term Alien too general for a specific creature imo.
;)
Hence capital "Alien" for the titular creature, vs lowercase "aliens" for aliens in general.
;)
^this
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 29, 2020, 02:22:29 PM
Quote from: bb-15 on Nov 29, 2020, 12:55:03 PM
For me that solves the Space Jockey also being an alien problem which makes the term Alien too general for a specific creature imo.
;)
Hence capital "Alien" for the titular creature, vs lowercase "aliens" for aliens in general.
;)
Imo typing the word Alien doesn't matter much.
What is "Alien" about?
For me the title of the film is so vague it can be about the strangeness of Giger's vision. Which is how I've interpreted it since I first saw it in a theater.
The Derelict, the eggs and facehuggers are all so strange, alien, fitting the title of a science fiction movie about an unusual, alien world.
Therefore the Space Jockey can be called the Alien because the word is so generalized in its meaning with the film.
Xenomorph XX121 for the creature, which does the killing, makes things completely clear.
;)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 29, 2020, 02:22:29 PM
Hence capital "Alien" for the titular creature, vs lowercase "aliens" for aliens in general.
;)
Huh? This is not the way old Mrs O'Shaunassy taught me to write English. Capitalised initial letters are reserved for proper nouns, the start of a sentence, and a few other special cases.
An alien is an alien, and is deserving of lower-case throughout, no matter how "titular" it is. Unless the alien in question is a particular individual, in which case "the Alien" is a proxy for a proper noun (in place of "Jack" or "Marybell" or whatever its name is). You would do this if "the Alien" you're referring to is one particular individual, not an entire species. After all, you'd never capitalise "human," no matter how important humans are to your story.
This epidemic of spurious capitalisation makes everything read like a Trump tweet.
TC
What about now (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4122068/)?
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 03:37:43 AM
What about now (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4122068/)?
Checkmate atheists.
Helps to answer some of the question why did some original Alien fans walk out on Aliens at the time. Interesting I asked what you guys thought of the Queen and it crops up here. I'd not even thought about the beacon thing before. Nice reply by J.C though on that.
Alien Theory Reads Things Other People Have Written - EXPLAINED
Has anyone EXPLAINED Alien? Boy, that's a tough nut to crack, i'll tell ya that.. .
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oh for f**k's sakes. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
Alien Theory Reads Things Other People Have Written - EXPLAINED
The Cruentus should make that video.
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
Alien Theory Reads Things Other People Have Written - EXPLAINED
Well, reading is hard, man !
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
Alien Theory Reads Things Other People Have Written - EXPLAINED
Yes of course. But with this he showed the J.C response from 1987. Which was interesting because I was looking for why some people rejected Aliens at the time.Which I asked in a previous post.
JC's response has been available online to read for decades.
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 11:22:02 PM
JC's response has been available online to read for decades.
And today I was enlightened and in turn a step closer to what I was wanting to find out.
Quote from: S1L on Nov 30, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
Alien Theory Reads Things Other People Have Written - EXPLAINED
Yes of course. But with this he showed the J.C response from 1987. Which was interesting because I was looking for why some people rejected Aliens at the time.Which I asked in a previous post.
JC did nothing wrong in my book with the egg-laying Queen. He did a sequel to Alien, not to a 1979 cut scene inserted in Ridley's less preferred Director's Cut almost 25 years later. And what a queen it was! :o
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/d105e799e538f996e4c1dc64904b0351/tumblr_n3y5jrIzSj1s2wio8o1_500.gif)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 30, 2020, 11:43:14 PM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 30, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
Alien Theory Reads Things Other People Have Written - EXPLAINED
Yes of course. But with this he showed the J.C response from 1987. Which was interesting because I was looking for why some people rejected Aliens at the time.Which I asked in a previous post.
JC did nothing wrong in my book with the egg-laying Queen. He did a sequel to Alien, not to a 1979 cut scene inserted in Ridley's less preferred Director's Cut almost 25 years later. And what a queen it was! :o
https://64.media.tumblr.com/d105e799e538f996e4c1dc64904b0351/tumblr_n3y5jrIzSj1s2wio8o1_500.gif
Agreed. But I still wonder what the people who didn't like Aliens wanted. Did they even know what they wanted?
Quote from: S1L on Nov 30, 2020, 11:48:16 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 30, 2020, 11:43:14 PM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 30, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
Alien Theory Reads Things Other People Have Written - EXPLAINED
Yes of course. But with this he showed the J.C response from 1987. Which was interesting because I was looking for why some people rejected Aliens at the time.Which I asked in a previous post.
JC did nothing wrong in my book with the egg-laying Queen. He did a sequel to Alien, not to a 1979 cut scene inserted in Ridley's less preferred Director's Cut almost 25 years later. And what a queen it was! :o
https://64.media.tumblr.com/d105e799e538f996e4c1dc64904b0351/tumblr_n3y5jrIzSj1s2wio8o1_500.gif
Agreed. But I still wonder what the people who didn't like Aliens wanted. Did they even know what they wanted?
Some hardcore fans were aware of the deleted eggmorphing prior to Aliens.
It was a well documented scene. Anybody who read the novel or making of books or magazines that featured the movie would've known about it, not just hardcore fans. It was a popular movie that got spoken about a lot in genre circles.
But that's not the only reason some people didn't like the film on release. Many didn't like the switch to an action movie, for example.
Quote from: S1L on Nov 30, 2020, 11:48:16 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 30, 2020, 11:43:14 PM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 30, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
Alien Theory Reads Things Other People Have Written - EXPLAINED
Yes of course. But with this he showed the J.C response from 1987. Which was interesting because I was looking for why some people rejected Aliens at the time.Which I asked in a previous post.
JC did nothing wrong in my book with the egg-laying Queen. He did a sequel to Alien, not to a 1979 cut scene inserted in Ridley's less preferred Director's Cut almost 25 years later. And what a queen it was! :o
https://64.media.tumblr.com/d105e799e538f996e4c1dc64904b0351/tumblr_n3y5jrIzSj1s2wio8o1_500.gif
Agreed. But I still wonder what the people who didn't like Aliens wanted. Did they even know what they wanted?
Nope. And many still don't know what they want - only that they aren't getting it. ;)
Quote from: SiL on Dec 01, 2020, 12:13:19 AM
It was a well documented scene. Anybody who read the novel or making of books or magazines that featured the movie would've known about it, not just hardcore fans. It was a popular movie that got spoken about a lot in genre circles.
Gotta disagree. Hardcore scifi genre fans, sure. I'm with you. But general moviegoing public, naa. Like my father for instance. My father was a huge Alien fan and others and never picked up a Starlog Magazine or comic or novelization in his life which you had to seek out in those days. He loved movies and television and that was that. It came easy to him. He never had that geek mentality that I have to learn about films and he just watched the Godfathers, the Aliens, the Star Treks, Blade Runner, Alfred Hitchcocks, etc like most general audiences and waited for the next one. Again, this information had to be sought out. Back in those days, so many people got excited by trailers in movie theaters because they had no idea a new movie coming out. Ooh, there's another Alien coming? Wow, they did a sequel to Back to the Future? Audiences would go crazy in theaters back then. You just had to be there. :)
I never mentioned general public. I just said you didn't have to be a hardcore fan. Anyone interested in sci fi film had a good chance of knowing - aka the target market of the sequel. It wasn't rare, esoteric knowledge.
But the bigger point is that it wasn't most people's problems with the sequel if they had any.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 01, 2020, 12:37:14 AM
I never mentioned general public. I just said you didn't have to be a hardcore fan. Anyone interested in sci fi film had a good chance of knowing - aka the target market of the sequel. It wasn't rare, esoteric knowledge.
Here in the US, I would definitely argue the egg morphing deleted scene was indeed esoteric in an age of no internet, libraries and encyclopedias required for research, and the majority of people watching television would get 6 or 7 channels total in the with their rabbit eared antennas and going to single screen theaters. The hardcore fans knew it, not many else.
Both my brothers and my dad were big sci-fi fans in the 80's and loved Alien. I told them about the eggmorphing scene after reading about it when I got the internet in 1996.
Quote from: SM on Dec 01, 2020, 12:34:16 AM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 30, 2020, 11:48:16 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 30, 2020, 11:43:14 PM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 30, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
Alien Theory Reads Things Other People Have Written - EXPLAINED
Yes of course. But with this he showed the J.C response from 1987. Which was interesting because I was looking for why some people rejected Aliens at the time.Which I asked in a previous post.
JC did nothing wrong in my book with the egg-laying Queen. He did a sequel to Alien, not to a 1979 cut scene inserted in Ridley's less preferred Director's Cut almost 25 years later. And what a queen it was! :o
https://64.media.tumblr.com/d105e799e538f996e4c1dc64904b0351/tumblr_n3y5jrIzSj1s2wio8o1_500.gif
Agreed. But I still wonder what the people who didn't like Aliens wanted. Did they even know what they wanted?
Nope. And many still don't know what they want - only that they aren't getting it. ;)
I know exactly what I want, although admittedly some of it is more of what Cameron added to the setting.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 01, 2020, 04:10:39 AM
Both my brothers and my dad were big sci-fi fans in the 80's and loved Alien. I told them about the eggmorphing scene after reading about it when I got the internet in 1996.
My dad wasn't a huge sci fi fan but likes reading and read the novel around the release of the film. Even not being a hardcore fan of either the film or sci fi, he got the information.
That was my entire point. It wasn't just "some hardcore fans" that knew. Although they definitely would've been the only ones who really gave a shit (my dad certainly didn't).
This actually the my Dad's cooler than your Dad discussion?
God no, just pointing out that the information was floating around enough even by 1986 that you didn't need to be knee-deep in Alien to have known about it.
I was only 11 when Aliens came out, but I was already a fan since I was able to see Alien a few years earlier. I had no idea about the eggmorphing thing until I got online in the early 90s.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 01, 2020, 02:34:26 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 01, 2020, 12:37:14 AM
I never mentioned general public. I just said you didn't have to be a hardcore fan. Anyone interested in sci fi film had a good chance of knowing - aka the target market of the sequel. It wasn't rare, esoteric knowledge.
Here in the US, I would definitely argue the egg morphing deleted scene was indeed esoteric in an age of no internet, libraries and encyclopedias required for research, and the majority of people watching television would get 6 or 7 channels total in the with their rabbit eared antennas and going to single screen theaters. The hardcore fans knew it, not many else.
God, you're ancient
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 30, 2020, 11:43:14 PM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 30, 2020, 11:13:03 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
Alien Theory Reads Things Other People Have Written - EXPLAINED
Yes of course. But with this he showed the J.C response from 1987. Which was interesting because I was looking for why some people rejected Aliens at the time.Which I asked in a previous post.
JC did nothing wrong in my book with the egg-laying Queen. He did a sequel to Alien, not to a 1979 cut scene inserted in Ridley's less preferred Director's Cut almost 25 years later. And what a queen it was! :o
https://64.media.tumblr.com/d105e799e538f996e4c1dc64904b0351/tumblr_n3y5jrIzSj1s2wio8o1_500.gif
but I love you
Ah thanks guys. Understand more now. Have no idea what could have come second or bettered than Aliens though.
Quote from: S1L on Dec 01, 2020, 08:47:28 AM
Ah thanks guys. Understand more now. Have no idea what could have come second or bettered than Aliens though.
We already have that answer.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81DKznuRfcL._RI_.jpg)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 01, 2020, 02:34:26 AM
people watching television would get 6 or 7 channels total in the with their rabbit eared antennas
Such American decadence! We had three and a half channels until the mid 2000's.
Quote from: Stitch on Dec 01, 2020, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: S1L on Dec 01, 2020, 08:47:28 AM
Ah thanks guys. Understand more now. Have no idea what could have come second or bettered than Aliens though.
We already have that answer.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81DKznuRfcL._RI_.jpg
:laugh:
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 01, 2020, 09:21:42 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 01, 2020, 02:34:26 AM
people watching television would get 6 or 7 channels total in the with their rabbit eared antennas
Such American decadence! We had three and a half channels until the mid 2000's.
:laugh:
Voodoo Magic :
When I was young I had to walk three miles to school every day, in the snow, with no shoes, just using my bare feet!Cancerblack :
Feet?! You had feet?!
You had snow ?
Touché
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 01, 2020, 12:07:48 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 01, 2020, 09:21:42 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 01, 2020, 02:34:26 AM
people watching television would get 6 or 7 channels total in the with their rabbit eared antennas
Such American decadence! We had three and a half channels until the mid 2000's.
:laugh:
Voodoo Magic : When I was young I had to walk three miles to school every day, in the snow, with no shoes, just using my bare feet!
Cancerblack : Feet?! You had feet?!
Uphill, both ways.
Quote from: Shuggy on Dec 03, 2020, 02:39:50 PM
:laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyDFjgCKFns
Man, I can't imagine being that old and having not seen Alien before. But not everyone has parents like mine :D
Quote from: Phobos on Dec 03, 2020, 02:49:46 PM
Quote from: Shuggy on Dec 03, 2020, 02:39:50 PM
:laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyDFjgCKFns
Man, I can't imagine being that old and having not seen Alien before. But not everyone has parents like mine :D
Yeah a bit odd isn't it they're not kids. Same. I can thank my Mother for all the movies I saw far too young lol
With Alien, there's an air of intrigue in nearly every scene. from the alien signal, to the crashed ship, to the discovery of the dead space jockey, to the discovery of the eggs, to the facehugger, to its death, to the birth of the alien, to the full grown Alien, to the reveal of Ash being an android and the companies' insidious agenda. Despite being a slow movie, it's never boring because it keeps feeding you new interesting bits of information as the movie goes on. Aliens barely has any intriguing moments at all, because we know everything that's coming. The movie makes us wait 1 hour and 15 minutes just to get to the aliens, something we've already experienced in Alien. The only intriguing moment in Aliens is when Ripley asks "who's laying these eggs?" and the answer is disappointing to some. The Queen ruins the cosmic horror element of Alien because now the unknowable space demon is now comparable to an ant. Also, the characters are nothing to speak of either. Alien's characters were down-to-earth, relatable people. The characters in Aliens are all one-note interchangeable, quip spewing, military stereotypes. The tone of Aliens is also different, it goes for a more crowd-pleasing and hence more predictable route. With Alien, everybody thought Dallas was going to be the hero of the movie, but then he's killed halfway through. It gives the sense that nobody is safe and that anything can happen. With Aliens, the inclusion of Newt creates a sense of security for the audience, "There's no way they'd kill off a cute kid, right?" and it's because of this, that I feel no tension in the third act. Ripley has a surrogate mother relationship with Newt; and the rules of conventional story telling says she has to save Newt and beat the queen, and of course, she does. There's one moment in Aliens that always makes me cringe, It's when Newt tells Ripley "I knew you'd come." and the drop-ship flies into the stars with this really light hearted musical score, like this is a scene out of a family film. That's why I love Alien 3 so much, the opening scene with it's dark, ominous score and the death of Hicks and Newt is far more in line with the spirit of the first movie than Aliens. I think that's why people hated Alien 3 so much, because it was Alien 3, not Aliens 2.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Dec 12, 2020, 05:00:38 PM
With Alien, there's an air of intrigue in nearly every scene. from the alien signal, to the crashed ship, to the discovery of the dead space jockey, to the discovery of the eggs, to the facehugger, to its death, to the birth of the alien, to the full grown Alien, to the reveal of Ash being an android and the companies' insidious agenda. Despite being a slow movie, it's never boring because it keeps feeding you new interesting bits of information as the movie goes on. Aliens barely has any intriguing moments at all, because we know everything that's coming. The movie makes us wait 1 hour and 15 minutes just to get to the aliens, something we've already experienced in Alien. The only intriguing moment in Aliens is when Ripley asks "who's laying these eggs?" and the answer is disappointing to some. The Queen ruins the cosmic horror element of Alien because now the unknowable space demon is now comparable to an ant. Also, the characters are nothing to speak of either. Alien's characters were down-to-earth, relatable people. The characters in Aliens are all one-note interchangeable, quip spewing, military stereotypes. The tone of Aliens is also different, it goes for a more crowd-pleasing and hence more predictable route. With Alien, everybody thought Dallas was going to be the hero of the movie, but then he's killed halfway through. It gives the sense that nobody is safe and that anything can happen. With Aliens, the inclusion of Newt creates a sense of security for the audience, "There's no way they'd kill off a cute kid, right?" and it's because of this, that I feel no tension in the third act. Ripley has a surrogate mother relationship with Newt; and the rules of conventional story telling says she has to save Newt and beat the queen, and of course, she does. There's one moment in Aliens that always makes me cringe, It's when Newt tells Ripley "I knew you'd come." and the drop-ship flies into the stars with this really light hearted musical score, like this is a scene out of a family film. That's why I love Alien 3 so much, the opening scene with it's dark, ominous score and the death of Hicks and Newt is far more in line with the spirit of the first movie than Aliens. I think that's why people hated Alien 3 so much, because it was Alien 3, not Aliens 2.
Aliens revolutionized the directing of action sequences at the time, that's a huge achievement. It also expanded the lore in some ways that nearly everyone takes for granted today. Pretty big achievement too.
I love that the first two films are so different to each other, and both excel at what they are trying to accomplish. :)
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Dec 12, 2020, 05:00:38 PM
Aliens barely has any intriguing moments at all, because we know everything that's coming.
The investigation of the colony, both descents into the hive, the Aliens finding their way into the colony -- these all drew intrigue and apprehension from the audience.
QuoteThe movie makes us wait 1 hour and 15 minutes just to get to the aliens, something we've already experienced in Alien.
There is no cut of the film where this is accurate. If you go by the DC we see the facehugger significantly sooner; by the TC, the marines still discover the facehuggers earlier into the film. The adults appear around the same time in both movies in their theatrical cuts.
QuoteThe only intriguing moment in Aliens is when Ripley asks "who's laying these eggs?" and the answer is disappointing to some. The Queen ruins the cosmic horror element of Alien because now the unknowable space demon is now comparable to an ant.
The Alien was never meant to be an unknowable space demon. Insects were an inspiration from the first movie.
QuoteWith Alien, everybody thought Dallas was going to be the hero of the movie, but then he's killed halfway through. It gives the sense that nobody is safe and that anything can happen.
Not really. It's pretty clear in the film that Ripley is the lead of the ensemble. We experience the events more through her perspective than anyone else even before Dallas dies.
QuoteRipley has a surrogate mother relationship with Newt; and the rules of conventional story telling says she has to save Newt and beat the queen, and of course, she does.
Conventional story telling says Ripley has to defeat the Alien in the first movie, and of course, she does.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 13, 2020, 01:28:08 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Dec 12, 2020, 05:00:38 PM
Aliens barely has any intriguing moments at all, because we know everything that's coming.
The investigation of the colony, both descents into the hive, the Aliens finding their way into the colony -- these all drew intrigue and apprehension from the audience.
It's not really intriguing when you know exactly what happened at the colony and what created the Hive. The Aliens did it all, and we know it.
QuoteThe movie makes us wait 1 hour and 15 minutes just to get to the aliens, something we've already experienced in Alien.
There is no cut of the film where this is accurate. If you go by the DC we see the facehugger significantly sooner; by the TC, the marines still discover the facehuggers earlier into the film. The adults appear around the same time in both movies in their theatrical cuts.
My special edition of the film shows the Aliens showing up nearly 1 hour and 15 minutes, right after the chestburster gets burned to death. And we've already seen both a living and dead facehugger in the first film. So nothing new or interesting there.
QuoteThe only intriguing moment in Aliens is when Ripley asks "who's laying these eggs?" and the answer is disappointing to some. The Queen ruins the cosmic horror element of Alien because now the unknowable space demon is now comparable to an ant.
The Alien was never meant to be an unknowable space demon. Insects were an inspiration from the first movie.
Being insect like doesn't mean it literally had to be a giant space ant. What about the fact that the Space Jockey was transporting eggs on a ship? Many people theorized for years whether the Aliens were created by the space jockey as a weapon of war or if they just gathered eggs from a planet. If people didn't view the Alien as a mysterious lovecraftian creature, than many wouldn't have been so upset with Ridley Scott for explaining their origins in Alien Covenant.
QuoteWith Alien, everybody thought Dallas was going to be the hero of the movie, but then he's killed halfway through. It gives the sense that nobody is safe and that anything can happen.
Not really. It's pretty clear in the film that Ripley is the lead of the ensemble. We experience the events more through her perspective than anyone else even before Dallas dies.
Ripley kind of just blended in with the rest of the crew for the first half of the movie. She didn't discover the ship, or the eggs, and she didn't try to save Kane. it wasn't until after Dallas died that she was being put into the spotlight.
QuoteRipley has a surrogate mother relationship with Newt; and the rules of conventional story telling says she has to save Newt and beat the queen, and of course, she does.
Conventional story telling says Ripley has to defeat the Alien in the first movie, and of course, she does.
Yeah, but at least she didn't have a big neon sign above her head that said "Badass Action Hero." while holding a giant machine gun and posing for the camera like she was an action figure. In Alien, she was scared and borderline helpless, she had nothing to fight for except her own life, and with a movie as bleak as Alien, it could have gone either way. The original ending actually had the alien kill Ripley, and given everything that happened throughout the movie, it would have worked just as well. Aliens went through all the trouble of establishing that Ripley lost one daughter and is now fighting to save the other, and considering how everything in Aliens had a far more crowd pleasing tone than Alien, a bleak ending just wouldn't have worked, hence why I felt no tension in the third act. Ripley has to save Newt, otherwise the movie wouldn't have worked.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Dec 13, 2020, 02:24:37 AM
It's not really intriguing when you know exactly what happened at the colony and what created the Hive. The Aliens did it all, and we know it.
We don't know what we're going to find in the colony. It's plenty intriguing.
QuoteMy special edition of the film shows the Aliens showing up nearly 1 hour and 15 minutes, right after the chestburster gets burned to death. And we've already seen both a living and dead facehugger in the first film. So nothing new or interesting there.
Again, that's the adults. Aliens show up sooner. There was plenty interesting about learning about the colonists trying to remove the facehuggers and killing the hosts in the process.
QuoteRipley kind of just blended in with the rest of the crew for the first half of the movie. She didn't discover the ship, or the eggs, and she didn't try to save Kane. it wasn't until after Dallas died that she was being put into the spotlight.
We see her interactions with the rest of the crew more than anyone else. She discovers that the transmission was a warning, she confronts Ash about his decision to let Kane in, she confronts Dallas, etc.
QuoteIn Alien, she was scared and borderline helpless, she had nothing to fight for except her own life, and with a movie as bleak as Alien, it could have gone either way.
Alien isn't a bleak film. It's a pretty standard horror movie in terms of tone. There's never a doubt the Alien will be dead by the end of it. Ripley sails off into the sunset awaiting to be picked up having vanquished the villain.
QuoteThe original ending actually had the alien kill Ripley, and given everything that happened throughout the movie, it would have worked just as well.
That was never the ending. Scott thought of the idea (after a few drinks, he said), but it was never legitimately considered and never in the script.
That is the law of sequels tho. The law of diminishing returns. You are NEVER going to get the same scare and feel of Alien because Alien was the first and so many series staples were included within.
Eventually the Alien just becomes a way for the characters to develop within the story. Especially when the Aliens themselves can't be characters.
It's like the zombies in the walking dead. They are there as background to force character interactions.
I'd say that is an overall weakness of the franchise, is that aside from Ripley, Bishop, and David there are no recurring characters. They also happen to be the most interesting ones.
Nobody else is developing.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 04:26:04 AM
That is the law of sequels tho. The law of diminishing returns. You are NEVER going to get the same scare and feel of Alien because Alien was the first and so many series staples were included within.
Eventually the Alien just becomes a way for the characters to develop within the story. Especially when the Aliens themselves can't be characters.
It's like the zombies in the walking dead. They are there as background to force character interactions.
I'd say that is an overall weakness of the franchise, is that aside from Ripley, Bishop, and David there are no recurring characters. They also happen to be the most interesting ones.
Nobody else is developing.
This was pretty well said my friend!
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 04:26:04 AM
That is the law of sequels tho. The law of diminishing returns. You are NEVER going to get the same scare and feel of Alien because Alien was the first and so many series staples were included within.
The same law of diminishing returns kicks in when you watch a movie more than once. And yet, in repeat viewings we try to
pretend we're watching it for the first time. Really, what we are doing is using the repeat viewing as a memory jogger. So we aren't so much experiencing the film again, as recalling our emotions from the first time.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 04:26:04 AM
Eventually the Alien just becomes a way for the characters to develop within the story. Especially when the Aliens themselves can't be characters.
It's like the zombies in the walking dead. They are there as background to force character interactions.
Yes. One thing that annoys me is when people say things like "the atmosphere in
Blade Runner is so thick it's just like another character." These people have no understanding of what a character really is.
Likewise, the aliens and zombies aren't villains in the traditional sense (like, say a Blofeld or a Darth Vader), they are better described as "forces of antagonism," more like the tornadoes in
Twister or the asteroids in
Armageddon. Usually, writers recognise this and add a personified villain as a subplot, like Carter Burke, or the Cary Elwes character in
Twister.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 04:26:04 AM
I'd say that is an overall weakness of the franchise, is that aside from Ripley, Bishop, and David there are no recurring characters. They also happen to be the most interesting ones.
Nobody else is developing.
Also agreed. That weakness stems from the fact that the
Alien franchise is an ad hoc film series. Each time they made a new one they pretty much thought it would be the last. Only afterwards did they decide another one might be a good idea. Hence, like any decent film, each one tries to resolve all its character arcs and plots.
TC
When I rewatch films I almost exclusively look for things I missed on an original watch. Subtext and themes, set designs, etc. Eventually almost every movie becomes a "how would I do in this situation," type of deal.
Nostalgia is a factor, but its not the only factor, and no movie I have ever seen retains the exact same feel as it does the first time I've watched it.
I think a series might be better in the character development regard because you won't (or shouldn't) have sudden shifts in character choices and actions that you will have to try and come up with explanations for. I think Ripley's character arc in the original trilogy is pretty believable, but many people think her going from survivor, to rambo, to suicide attempter was too sudden.
When you have 8+ hours of episodes for a hopefully multi season series then you are going to be more invested in the series, and the characters life and deaths are going to be more impactful.
QuoteWhy do some people prefer Alien over Aliens?
Because its simply better imo. It's cosmic horror masterpiece.
Also because some people are pretentious dicks. IMO
...because it's better than ALIENS.
Lol!
No, but seriously...It's better.
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 15, 2020, 08:42:31 PM
Also because some people are pretentious dicks. IMO
Easy there, partner!
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 15, 2020, 08:58:56 PM
...because it's better than ALIENS.
Lol!
No, but seriously...It's better.
Yet Aliens is the favorite Supreme!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
BOOM! :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 15, 2020, 09:19:46 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 15, 2020, 08:42:31 PM
Also because some people are pretentious dicks. IMO
Easy there, partner!
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 15, 2020, 08:58:56 PM
...because it's better than ALIENS.
Lol!
No, but seriously...It's better.
Yet Aliens is the favorite Supreme!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
BOOM! :)
People love sci-fi action movies, and ALIENS is the "modern" blueprint and formula on how it's done; not only sci-fi action movies but also video games taking place in sci-fi action settings. It hits the spot like a Big Mac & fries with a bucket of KFC on the side.
It's safe to say that the near majority of the Alien part of the fan base here got into Alien/Predator/AVP because of the movie ALIENS.
Anyways, I'm being facetious as I very well know that people have different tastes, opinions and credentials to why they think one movie is better than the other. With that said I find the title of this forum post pretty wonky and pretty much asking for it. Luckily enough huge portions of the ALIEN fans are also fans of ALIENS (and vice versa). I however don't belong to that group as I prefer ALIEN and A3 over ALIENS.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 15, 2020, 09:34:12 PMI however don't belong to that group as I prefer ALIEN and A3 over ALIENS.
You're making me feel nostalgic.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=40793.msg1842245#msg1842245
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 15, 2020, 09:34:12 PM
People love sci-fi action movies, and ALIENS is the "modern" blueprint and formula on how it's done; not only sci-fi action movies but also video games taking place in sci-fi action settings. It hits the spot like a Big Mac & fries with a bucket of KFC on the side.
It's safe to say that the near majority of the Alien part of the fan base here got into Alien/Predator/AVP because of the movie ALIENS.
Anyways, I'm being facetious as I very well know that people have different tastes, opinions and credentials to why they think one movie is better than the other. With that said I find the title of this forum post pretty wonky and pretty much asking for it. Luckily enough a huge portions of ALIEN fans are also fans of ALIENS (and vice versa). I however don't belong to that group as I prefer ALIEN and A3 over ALIENS.
Even though I prefer Aliens over Alien (to me you can't go wrong picking either in my humble opinion :)), I do know the original holds more importance, i.e. among 100 movies a film institute might lock away in a general classic film vault (were talking The Wizard of Oz to Psycho), entries guaged on how many parts "quality film" versus how many parts "important" versus how many parts "groundbreaking", if any film is going in the vault of the two, it's Alien 1979 every time.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 15, 2020, 09:41:25 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 15, 2020, 09:34:12 PMI however don't belong to that group as I prefer ALIEN and A3 over ALIENS.
You're making me feel nostalgic.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=40793.msg1842245#msg1842245
Being nostalgic during holiday season is a good thing :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 15, 2020, 09:51:58 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 15, 2020, 09:34:12 PM
People love sci-fi action movies, and ALIENS is the "modern" blueprint and formula on how it's done; not only sci-fi action movies but also video games taking place in sci-fi action settings. It hits the spot like a Big Mac & fries with a bucket of KFC on the side.
It's safe to say that the near majority of the Alien part of the fan base here got into Alien/Predator/AVP because of the movie ALIENS.
Anyways, I'm being facetious as I very well know that people have different tastes, opinions and credentials to why they think one movie is better than the other. With that said I find the title of this forum post pretty wonky and pretty much asking for it. Luckily enough a huge portions of ALIEN fans are also fans of ALIENS (and vice versa). I however don't belong to that group as I prefer ALIEN and A3 over ALIENS.
Even though I prefer Aliens over Alien (to me you can't go wrong picking either in my humble opinion :)), I do know the original holds more importance, i.e. among 100 movies a film institute might lock away in a general classic film vault (were talking The Wizard of Oz to Psycho), entries guaged on how many parts "quality film" versus how many parts "important" versus how many parts "groundbreaking", if any film is going in the vault of the two, it's Alien 1979 every time.
I think a lot of people here would agree with you on this one.
I was born in the eighties but grew up in the nineties and watched the original trilogy almost back to back to back. So to me it has always felt like the original trilogy vs everything else.
They are all different but don't feel so dissimilar that they feel like they don't belong in the same universe. I can't say the same of the others.
Every movie in the franchise that I have had to sit an wait to come out has been a disappointment. I'm still waiting for the movie that captures the feel of the original three.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2020, 02:09:04 AM
I was born in the eighties but grew up in the nineties and watched the original trilogy almost back to back to back. So to me it has always felt like the original trilogy vs everything else.
They are all different but don't feel so dissimilar that they feel like they don't belong in the same universe. I can't say the same of the others.
Every movie in the franchise that I have had to sit an wait to come out has been a disappointment. I'm still waiting for the movie that captures the feel of the original three.
Based mid-millennial trilogy take
In other news, "why do some people have tastes that differ from mine?"
Quote from: Omegamorph on Dec 16, 2020, 09:17:18 AM
In other news, "why do some people have tastes that differ from mine?"
Yeah, I like Alien: Resurrection and you like G*dzilla 1998, everyone is a pleb.
The topic was created by a troll who has long been banned. I just let it stick around for discussions sake, but let's just remember to maintain civility about it.
sigh
OK
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2020, 11:16:45 AM
The topic was created by a troll who has long been banned. I just let it stick around for discussions sake, but let's just remember to maintain civility about it.
Come on dad, let the boys have some fun
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 05:02:23 PM
When I rewatch films I almost exclusively look for things I missed on an original watch. Subtext and themes, set designs, etc. Eventually almost every movie becomes a "how would I do in this situation," type of deal.
There's a rule in many writers' rooms where you can only criticise someone's idea if you submit another idea to replace it - and of course, other people are then free to criticise
your idea. It's a way of making all criticism (which is encouraged, btw) constructive.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 05:02:23 PM
When you have 8+ hours of episodes for a hopefully multi season series then you are going to be more invested in the series, and the characters life and deaths are going to be more impactful.
The single biggest thing to ensure the success of a streaming / TV series is that the audience bonds with your characters. (A developing plot with a suspenseful mystery is helpful too, but nowhere near as powerful.) The audience-character bond is like a loyalty program; it keeps them coming back for more.
That's why those series like
Twilight Zone / Outer Limits, with their one-off stories, are always treading thin ice. Audiences are fickle and they can bail at any time.
TC
And yet anthology shows are just as popular as ever -- Black Mirror has a strong following for per-episode anthologies, and shows like American Horror Story or "Haunting Of ..." enjoy great success.
Some people say that the first Alien is boring and nothing happens in the first hour. But I like it better when nothing happens. When the action begins - all become a bit predictable.
In the original version, if I remember correctly, the alien was supposed to appear only towards the end. This also has its own charm - the beginning of the story, escalating the situation and a quick bloody denouement.
Aliens reminds me of a Disney or Marvel movie and I hate Disney and Marvel. I prefer Alien and Alien reminds me of a DC or Perfect Suspense movie and I love DC
I can kinda understand Marvel-Aliens comparision but could you elaborate on Alien-DC ? I've never heard such take before
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 16, 2020, 05:45:00 PM
I can kinda understand Marvel-Aliens comparision but could you elaborate on Alien-DC ? I've never heard such take before
More DC Comics. Alien is so suspenseful that I remember when I was a little child in the 1990s and I read my first DC comics about Batman The Greatest Detective In The World. Not DC movies.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 16, 2020, 05:43:04 PM
Aliens reminds me of a Disney or Marvel movie and I hate Disney and Marvel. I prefer Alien and Alien reminds me of a DC or Perfect Suspense movie and I love DC
Yeah, this just doesn't convey Marvel or Disney to me...
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 16, 2020, 11:38:28 PM
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 16, 2020, 05:43:04 PM
Aliens reminds me of a Disney or Marvel movie and I hate Disney and Marvel. I prefer Alien and Alien reminds me of a DC or Perfect Suspense movie and I love DC
Yeah, this just doesn't convey Marvel or Disney to me...
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https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-09-2017/7UzoEe.gif
https://i.gifer.com/3Tql.gif
To each their own. A lot of jokes and full action. Same with T2. Even the Russo Brothers(the most famous Marvel guys) said they are Always copying T2 and Aliens
There's no action for the first half of Aliens, what are you talking about?
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 12:35:07 AM
There's no action for the first half of Aliens, what are you talking about?
After that, you have 90 minutes full action. Like the Russo Brothers said: they copied that formula
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 12:55:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 12:35:07 AM
There's no action for the first half of Aliens, what are you talking about?
After that, you have 90 minutes full action. Like the Russo Brothers said: they copied that formula
Pretty sure it's not 90 min of full action l either. You have some down time after the first encounter in the hive and they forifty the colony.
I always get a kick out of Eberts review.
QuoteI don't know how else to describe this: The movie made me feel bad. It filled me with feelings of unease and disquiet and anxiety. I walked outside and I didn't want to talk to anyone. I was drained. I'm not sure "Aliens" is what we mean by entertainment. Yet I have to be accurate about this movie: It is a superb example of filmmaking craft.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 12:55:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 12:35:07 AM
There's no action for the first half of Aliens, what are you talking about?
After that, you have 90 minutes full action. Like the Russo Brothers said: they copied that formula
Ridiculous hyperbole? How out of character.
The hive battle is about 7 minutes and the sequence that runs from the huggers in Medlab to the loader fight is about 40 minutes.
47 out of 145.
Hmm.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 12:55:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 12:35:07 AM
There's no action for the first half of Aliens, what are you talking about?
After that, you have 90 minutes full action. Like the Russo Brothers said: they copied that formula
There is not 90 minutes of pure action after. If that's the formula they took from the film, they weren't paying attention.
And the last 40 minutes isn't all out action either - there's short rests here and there.
I bet the worst movies in the series have more action than Aliens (Resurrection, AVP, Requiem) 🤔
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 02:30:54 AM
I bet the worst movies in the series have more action than Aliens (Resurrection, AVP, Requiem) 🤔
https://i.ibb.co/kS8Jqvt/4qo7ct.jpg
I don't think AvP has more action than Aliens.
Nah I think Aliens has the most. All Resurrection has really is the flooded kitchen which is just shy of 10 minutes. There's a few short bits here and there, but the mess hall scene for example goes for maybe a minute. Similar deal with AvP:R a few short action scenes - sewer barely goes for 90 seconds. The entire rooftop climax doesn't even go for minutes.
By comparison in Alien 3 from Dillon saying 'It's started' till Ripley blows up the Alien is about 15 minutes.
Both fights in AvP go for about 8 minutes in total.
Alien 3 is action-packed! :o
No need to Fight. Both are masterpieces but very different. Aliens is like T2. Jokes, full action. Marvel copied T2 and Aliens. Alien is like T1(Terminator 1) a lot more darker
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 04:25:48 AM
No need to Fight. Both are masterpieces but very different. Aliens is like T2. Jokes, full action. Marvel copied T2 and Aliens. Alien is like T1(Terminator 1) a lot more darker
Disagree completely. I cant stand marvel because in my view they are very opposite of both films. Both T2 and Aliens were serious films who didnt approach the subject and the genre as a fun ride or wink wink entertainment for the popcorn munchers. What I love about T2 most is the mood and the characters and their inner struggle. My favorite scene is Sarah watching the family at the ranch. What I love most about Aliens is the mood and visual look.
Again, the topic has been created by a banned troll but he also proved a point which was highlighted early in this thread is that some people for some reason try to make Aliens (and T2 apparently) into michael bay or marvel type of fun half comedy blow em up movies and the first movie into an 18th century gothic literary masterpice in comparison. Fine dislike the movies but dont make then out to be stupid or dont make up false reasons why people who love them love them just because you dont like them and apparently are ticked off when someone recognizes them for something other than dumb action comedies
How would you classify AR?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 17, 2020, 04:56:02 AM
How would you classify AR?
:D A French Comedy that has nothing to do with the previous 3 films or their tone. Or, in short, a French version of Monty Python
Are you able to watch it without getting furious yet?
Alien: Resurrection is a very cool Jean-Pierre Jeunet film built on the bones of a really lame Joss Whedon script, with some really twisted ideas and concepts that feel right at home in the Alien universe even when its tone does not.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 17, 2020, 05:13:08 AM
Are you able to watch it without getting furious yet?
Nah. I tried but its like watching your favorite toy being pooped on.
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Hear, hear.
I do think a lot of the retroactive
Aliens backlash actually stems more from the impact that
Aliens had on the franchise as a whole - the endless array of comics, video games, etc. with their "OOH RAH MARINES!" mentality. The thing is, almost all of those pieces of expanded media grossly misinterpret
Aliens and its central ideas and play more into the public, surface level perception of what people mistakenly think
Aliens is.
Personally, I think Isolation played a huge part in re-introducing a lot of fans to Alien and fandom re-evaluating first movie
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 17, 2020, 05:19:20 AM
Alien: Resurrection is a very cool Jean-Pierre Jeunet film built on the bones of a really lame Joss Whedon script, with some really twisted ideas and concepts that feel right at home in the Alien universe even when its tone does not.
I think it gains a lot from loosing the visuals. I still prefer the novelisation over the film. And I do love Jeunet's other films.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Agreed. It is quite tiresome. Both are hugely important and successful films in their respective sub-genres.
I finally started reading the Resurrection novel and the amount of exclamation marks is remarkable!
!!!
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 10:39:18 AM
I finally started reading the Resurrection novel and the amount of exclamation marks is remarkable!
How is it! The only Alien novelization I've read is
Alien: Covenant! I haven't read any others because I didn't care for ADF's writing! But
Alien: Resurrection having a different author has me intrigued!
!
Has some interesting ideas, although I can't comment on quality as I read it while in hospital (and fairly doped up).
Spoiler
!!!!!
You okay? Is it serious?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 17, 2020, 01:09:57 PM
You okay? Is it serious?
It was, but it was four years ago...
Hard to tell for certain, but glad to hear the worst is over.
Crispin had alien pov which I thought was cool as a kid.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 17, 2020, 04:49:09 AM
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 04:25:48 AM
No need to Fight. Both are masterpieces but very different. Aliens is like T2. Jokes, full action. Marvel copied T2 and Aliens. Alien is like T1(Terminator 1) a lot more darker
Disagree completely. I cant stand marvel because in my view they are very opposite of both films. Both T2 and Aliens were serious films who didnt approach the subject and the genre as a fun ride or wink wink entertainment for the popcorn munchers. What I love about T2 most is the mood and the characters and their inner struggle. My favorite scene is Sarah watching the family at the ranch. What I love most about Aliens is the mood and visual look.
Again, the topic has been created by a banned troll but he also proved a point which was highlighted early in this thread is that some people for some reason try to make Aliens (and T2 apparently) into michael bay or marvel type of fun half comedy blow em up movies and the first movie into an 18th century gothic literary masterpice in comparison. Fine dislike the movies but dont make then out to be stupid or dont make up false reasons why people who love them love them just because you dont like them and apparently are ticked off when someone recognizes them for something other than dumb action comedies
I agree to disagree. Cameron is like a better version of Michael Bay so I suppose Jim is like the Underrated Zack Snyder. Aliens and T2 created the Marvel formula. I agree with you that Aliens and T2 are way better than Marvel but still Marvel copied the Jim Family PG 13 Cameron Formula. The other day Spielberg was subtly attacking Marvel which is so stupid because Marvel copied everything from Jim and Spielberg. In that general aspect, Ridley Scott and most of his movies are too weird, too crazy and too brutal for Star Wars and Marvel
Holy shit that whole post :laugh:
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 06:53:51 PM
Holy shit that whole post :laugh:
Only jokes. That's exactly the Marvel formula.
Yeah, remember that joke when Newt's whole family died and she was left completely alone in colony infested with Aliens ? Or when Ripley traveled 57 years in space so everyone she ever knew were long dead ? Or when she was having PTSD-related nightmares ? Man, that was funny. I was laughing so hard lol
My sides were certainly splitting.
Though it's mainly at anyone who unironically calls the guy who made that shitty Watchmen movie "under-rated".
Quote from: SM on Dec 17, 2020, 07:27:17 PM
My sides were certainly splitting.
Though it's mainly at anyone who unironically calls the guy who made that shitty Watchmen movie "under-rated".
I initially read it as Jim being the under-rated version of Snyder which was even funnier.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 06:45:50 PM
I agree to disagree. Cameron is like a better version of Michael Bay so I suppose Jim is like the Underrated Zack Snyder.
Jim is like the underrated Zack Snyder? I'm trying to process this comparison, while cross referencing your statement that Jim makes movies like Marvel, not like DC (which consists of several movies directed by Zach Snyder, which you calling underrated, and comparing Jim to.)
QuoteI agree with you that Aliens and T2 are way better than Marvel but still Marvel copied the Jim Family PG 13 Cameron Formula.
But both Aliens and T2 were R....
QuoteThe other day Spielberg was subtly attacking Marvel which is so stupid because Marvel copied everything from Jim and Spielberg.
You seem fixated on this. You realize Kevin Fiege and the Russo Bros also said they were inspired by lots of movies and television including Star Wars and especially Star Trek? Just google it. :)
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Quote from: SM on Dec 17, 2020, 07:27:17 PM
My sides were certainly splitting.
Though it's mainly at anyone who unironically calls the guy who made that shitty Watchmen movie "under-rated".
I initially read it as Jim being the under-rated version of Snyder which was even funnier.
I'm just in the middle of watching this...
I'll admit I liked Suckerpunch as a two hour long, cheesy music video.
Haven't seen it so I can't judge, but what I've heard about it doesn't inspire me to see it.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 07:02:03 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 06:53:51 PM
Holy shit that whole post :laugh:
Only jokes. That's exactly the Marvel formula.
Can you elaborate as to which "jokes" are you referring to in Aliens? I don't remember too many jokes in Aliens I've only seen it well over a hundred times and the film is for the most part pretty serious.
@SM
It's trash. But the specific combination of plagiarised visuals and rock music covers does it for me.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Actually SM and the other powerfuls are doing exactly the opposite. They hate on me because I not adore Jim, Aliens, T2 and joe biden. I'm one of the very few in this entire forum who prefers Alien over Aliens and everyone attacks me.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Actually SM and the other powerfuls are doing exactly the opposite. They hate on me because I not adore Jim, Aliens, T2 and joe biden
As long as Im here no one ever condemned anyone for liking anything. Everryone here is very intelligent and respectful. Its you who keep telling us thise movies arent good and keep saying Cameron is no good and his movies are dumb.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Actually SM and the other powerfuls are doing exactly the opposite. They hate on me because I not adore Jim, Aliens, T2 and joe biden
Jim is a (talented) dickhead and Joe Biden is a creep.
That's not why people are dunking on you dude.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 17, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Actually SM and the other powerfuls are doing exactly the opposite. They hate on me because I not adore Jim, Aliens, T2 and joe biden
As long as Im here no one ever condemned anyone for liking anything. Everryone here is very intelligent and respectful. Its you who keep telling us thise movies arent good and keep saying Cameron is no good and his movies are dumb.
I never said those things. You are part of 99.9% of people. Avatar and Titanic are 2 of the most successful of all time and Jim is, probably, the Richest Director in human History. So, you are part of the 99.9%. I'm different so I prefer Ridley Scott. It's only that.
To reiterate something I said yesterday:
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 17, 2020, 06:08:14 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Hear, hear.
I do think a lot of the retroactive Aliens backlash actually stems more from the impact that Aliens had on the franchise as a whole - the endless array of comics, video games, etc. with their "OOH RAH MARINES!" mentality. The thing is, almost all of those pieces of expanded media grossly misinterpret Aliens and its central ideas and play more into the public, surface level perception of what people mistakenly think Aliens is.
Most of
Aliens' "jokes" are there to show the marines for what they are - cocky, clueless, and in way over their heads. Once they have their encounter with the Aliens, they either shut the f**k up, or, in some cases, lean into the jokes harder as a coping mechanism. All things that very real people do in times of stress. None of the jokes in
Aliens undercut the tension for me. They reinforce that tension and make those people feel all the more real before their inevitable slaughter.
Now, when you look at so much of the ancillary material that just has marines running around, quipping, and shooting bugs, that all comes from a total misunderstanding of how
Aliens was actually using its marine characters. And the issues that RidleyScott99 seems to be citing seem to be much more in line with the ancillary material like that than with the film that unfortunately spawned said material.
Also, I say all this while being a massive fan of Ridley Scott, citing
Alien as my favorite outing in the series, and putting
Alien 3 on nearly equal footing with
Aliens.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 17, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Actually SM and the other powerfuls are doing exactly the opposite. They hate on me because I not adore Jim, Aliens, T2 and joe biden
As long as Im here no one ever condemned anyone for liking anything. Everryone here is very intelligent and respectful. Its you who keep telling us thise movies arent good and keep saying Cameron is no good and his movies are dumb.
I never said those things. You are part of 99.9% of people. Avatar and Titanic are 2 of the most successful of all time and Jim is, probably, the Richest Director in human History. So, you are part of the 99.9%. I'm different so I prefer Ridley Scott. It's only that.
Nothing wrong with preferring Scott. I preffer some Scotts movies over some Camerons too. But no need to degrade quality of undeniable pieces of work. Scott himself and Obannon said on few occasions that Aliens is the only sequel they like
Im not really into most Chris Nolan films but I acknowledge theyre very good and the guys a great filmmaker. No need to make his great films into thrash or try to make him a talentless director juat because I preffer others
If being Cameron's fan considered being 99,9 % - I'm not sorry for being in these 99,9 %
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 17, 2020, 08:45:00 PM
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 17, 2020, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Actually SM and the other powerfuls are doing exactly the opposite. They hate on me because I not adore Jim, Aliens, T2 and joe biden
As long as Im here no one ever condemned anyone for liking anything. Everryone here is very intelligent and respectful. Its you who keep telling us thise movies arent good and keep saying Cameron is no good and his movies are dumb.
I never said those things. You are part of 99.9% of people. Avatar and Titanic are 2 of the most successful of all time and Jim is, probably, the Richest Director in human History. So, you are part of the 99.9%. I'm different so I prefer Ridley Scott. It's only that.
Nothing wrong with preferring Scott. I preffer some Scotts movies over some Camerons too. But no need to degrade quality of undeniable pieces of work. Scott himself and Obannon said on few occasions that Aliens is the only sequel they like
Im not really into most Chris Nolan films but I acknowledge theyre very good and the guys a great filmmaker. No need to make his great films into thrash or try to make him a talentless director juat because I preffer others
OK. I think Nolan is Overrated But I need to see his last 2 movies. I never saw Dunkirk and Tenet. I don't like Nolan movies but Nolan is kind of young so I suppose that could change in the future
He also made TDKR, the greatest (unintentional) comedy ever put to film.
OVCORSE
!!!BLINDING!!!
!!!WHESZETRIGERRRRR!!!
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 08:54:45 PM
He also made TDKR, the greatest (unintentional) comedy ever put to film.
That his worst movie. Poor Marion Cotillard.
No... NO, IT'S NOT !!!! >:( >:( >:(
Spoiler
I lovee Rises
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 17, 2020, 09:10:10 PM
No... NO, IT'S NOT !!!! >:( >:( >:(
Spoiler
I lovee Rises
Does it make your fire rise, brother?
No, I came back to stop you
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 09:11:22 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 17, 2020, 09:10:10 PM
No... NO, IT'S NOT !!!! >:( >:( >:(
Spoiler
I lovee Rises
Does it make your fire rise, brother?
To each their own. The 2 death scenes in Rises were beyond stupid. Comical
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 09:13:55 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 09:11:22 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 17, 2020, 09:10:10 PM
No... NO, IT'S NOT !!!! >:( >:( >:(
Spoiler
I lovee Rises
Does it make your fire rise, brother?
To each their own. The 2 death scenes in Rises were beyond stupid. Comical
The entire film is surreal comedy/slapstick.
Bane's death was anticlimatic, yes. And Talia was a bit too much over-the-top twist villain. Rises is flawed, yes. Its positives just outweigh negatives for me
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 09:11:22 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 17, 2020, 09:10:10 PM
No... NO, IT'S NOT !!!! >:( >:( >:(
Spoiler
I lovee Rises
Does it make your fire rise, brother?
To each their own. The 2 death scenes in Rises were beyond stupid. Comical
The entire film is surreal comedy/slapstick.
Inception is Interesting But he over explain everything. Nolan is obssessed with Bond. I don't understand why.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 09:13:55 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 09:11:22 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 17, 2020, 09:10:10 PM
No... NO, IT'S NOT !!!! >:( >:( >:(
Spoiler
I lovee Rises
Does it make your fire rise, brother?
To each their own. The 2 death scenes in Rises were beyond stupid. Comical
The entire film is surreal comedy/slapstick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9994nv8BcU
God, I love Hardy in that role
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 08:36:24 PM
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Actually SM and the other powerfuls are doing exactly the opposite. They hate on me because I not adore Jim, Aliens, T2 and joe biden
Jim is a (talented) dickhead and Joe Biden is a creep.
That's not why people are dunking on you dude.
Indeed.
One should perhaps check out this thread and see the hundreds of people who like Alien more than Aliens (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=4.0) - myself included - before playing at being a pathetic victim.
I don't adore Jim, T2 or Joe Biden either. They are preferable to Snyder, Snyder's catalogue and facism though.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 08:54:45 PM
He also made TDKR, the greatest (unintentional) comedy ever put to film.
Ouch! No, I love that film
Quote from: SM on Dec 17, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 08:36:24 PM
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Actually SM and the other powerfuls are doing exactly the opposite. They hate on me because I not adore Jim, Aliens, T2 and joe biden
Jim is a (talented) dickhead and Joe Biden is a creep.
That's not why people are dunking on you dude.
Indeed.
One should perhaps check out this thread and see the hundreds of people who like Alien more than Aliens (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=4.0) - myself included - before playing at being a pathetic victim.
I don't adore Jim, T2 or Joe Biden either. They are preferable to Snyder, Snyder's catalogue and facism though.
Facism?. I and Ridley Scott and Zack Snyder have nothing in common with Facism. You are 10000000% overreacting.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 09:30:04 PM
Facism?. I and Ridley Scott and Zack Snyder have nothing in common with Facism. You are 10000000% overreacting.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 09:26:14 PM
they are Jew
The "fascism" comment was clearly in response to your dislike of Joe Biden. As in, Joe Biden is obviously very far from perfect and there were much better choices, but he is also better than the fascist currently in office.
I think that comment was in reference to Zach Snyder NA, because I've heard that criticism before.
But let's be careful not to go down a dark and windy road, ladies and gents!
The fascism attack come from nowhere. I was actually writing about Ridley Scott and Zack Snyder. I dislike Hillary and Obama and that is Not fascim
He only said Biden is preferable to fascism. That you're taking personal offense to that is worrying.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
They hate on me because I not adore Jim, Aliens, T2 and joe biden.
Quote from: SM on Dec 17, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
I don't adore Jim, T2 or Joe Biden either. They are preferable to Snyder, Snyder's catalogue and facism though.
The punctuation here clearly shows that the "fascism" comment was directed purely against the "Joe Biden" comment and had nothing to do with Snyder or his films.
Though given Snyder's blatant misunderstanding of the
Watchmen comic, and how much he glorifies the violence in the film that the comic set out to condone, you could definitely read his movie as an accidental glorification of fascism that came about due to Snyder's misunderstanding of the material he was adapting.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 09:46:56 PM
He only said Biden is preferable to fascism. That you're taking personal offense to that is worrying.
Also, this.
Did I get that right, that Zack Snyder guy is modern day Paul Verhoiven and Watchmen is his Starship Troopers ?
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 17, 2020, 09:57:37 PM
Did I get that right, that Zack Snyder guy is modern day Paul Verhoiven and Watchmen is his Starship Troopers ?
No, because Paul Verhoeven took fascist source material and satirized it in his film. Snyder took source material that criticized fascism, and glorified the violence in it for the sake of what he saw as cool images.
Some of Zach Snyder's work has been connected by various journalists to the topic of fascism for years, so it's understandable comments like that aren't so clear.
https://film.avclub.com/zack-snyder-s-300-presaged-the-howling-fascism-of-the-a-1798265082
https://medium.com/on-the-arts/batman-v-%C3%BCbermensch-zack-snyder-s-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy-3bced33aadf
https://lwlies.com/articles/a-serious-look-at-zack-snyder-batman-v-superman/
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 17, 2020, 09:57:37 PM
Did I get that right, that Zack Snyder guy is modern day Paul Verhoiven and Watchmen is his Starship Troopers ?
No, I think Snyder actually read the source material.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 09:46:56 PM
He only said Biden is preferable to fascism. That you're taking personal offense to that is worrying.
Fascism is a very strong word. Fascism is a personal offense to any person
I don't think anyone meant you offense brother.
Let's all keep this thread from taking a turn. :)
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 09:46:56 PM
He only said Biden is preferable to fascism. That you're taking personal offense to that is worrying.
Fascism is a very strong word. Fascism is a personal offense to any person
It wasn't directed at anyone.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 09:46:56 PM
He only said Biden is preferable to fascism. That you're taking personal offense to that is worrying.
Fascism is a very strong word. Fascism is a personal offense to any person
What?
Joe Biden is preferable to the fascism Trump was normalising in America.
Which everyone but you in your interminable pearl clutching understood perfectly.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Actually SM and the other powerfuls are doing exactly the opposite. They hate on me because I not adore Jim, Aliens, T2 and joe biden. I'm one of the very few in this entire forum who prefers Alien over Aliens and everyone attacks me.
"SM and the Other Powerfuls?"
Is that a band?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 17, 2020, 10:29:20 PM
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Actually SM and the other powerfuls are doing exactly the opposite. They hate on me because I not adore Jim, Aliens, T2 and joe biden. I'm one of the very few in this entire forum who prefers Alien over Aliens and everyone attacks me.
"SM and the Other Powerfuls?"
Is that a band?
Yeah, CB and the Shitposts are opening for them.
Super hero team.
We're still workshopping the name.
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 17, 2020, 07:09:12 PM
Yeah, remember that joke when Newt's whole family died and she was left completely alone in colony infested with Aliens ? Or when Ripley traveled 57 years in space so everyone she ever knew were long dead ? Or when she was having PTSD-related nightmares ? Man, that was funny. I was laughing so hard lol
I've seen Aliens about 167 times and it keeps getting funnier every single time I see it!
I mean the power ups. I was banned once before here with no reason.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Dec 17, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 06:00:49 AM
The condescending attitude towards those who prefer Aliens is somewhat childish and pretentious (yes I said so). Aliens is a high quality work of scifi-action. It's the Alien of that category.
Actually SM and the other powerfuls are doing exactly the opposite. They hate on me because I not adore Jim, Aliens, T2 and joe biden. I'm one of the very few in this entire forum who prefers Alien over Aliens and everyone attacks me.
But like, yea there's people that prefer Aliens but it's not like they're saying Alien is poop as a result, both are great in their own rights, and to say that very few people prefer Alien is a rather extraordinary claim.
Really? No reason?
There's been a definite trend over the last few years that is not enough to like one film or the other; you have to try to tear down one to justify liking the other.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 10:37:34 PM
Really? No reason?
I remember it differently.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 21, 2017, 08:39:58 AM
How about your tone down it down on your attitude, Pierre? It's starting to get on my nerves. If you want to continue to post on these boards, I'd suggest your involvement becomes more mature and less childish.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 10:39:06 PM
There's been a definite trend over the last few years that is not enough to like one film or the other; you have to try to tear down one to justify liking the other.
Most unfortunately
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 10:39:06 PM
There's been a definite trend over the last few years that is not enough to like one film or the other; you have to try to tear down one to justify liking the other.
Always has been.
I think everybody here should focus on getting the discussion back on topic.
If anybody has any issues with other members, as valid as they may be. Take it up by either ignoring them, or reporting them.
Or else i'll call Hicks!
Quote from: Dachande on Dec 17, 2020, 11:02:15 PM
I think everybody here should focus on getting the discussion back on topic.
If anybody has any issues with other members, as valid as they may be. Take it up by either ignoring them, or reporting them.
Or else i'll call Hicks!
I prefer ignoring them.
Quote from: Drukathi on Dec 17, 2020, 10:53:56 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 10:39:06 PM
There's been a definite trend over the last few years that is not enough to like one film or the other; you have to try to tear down one to justify liking the other.
Always has been.
Fair, but it seems to be getting worse here.
Or at least, a handful of members are much more vocal about it.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 11:44:01 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Dec 17, 2020, 10:53:56 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 10:39:06 PM
There's been a definite trend over the last few years that is not enough to like one film or the other; you have to try to tear down one to justify liking the other.
Always has been.
Fair, but it seems to be getting worse here.
Or at least, a handful of members are much more vocal about it.
I think that's the same everywhere. People just want to shit on just about everything people enjoy these days!
Omg Pierre is back? Well that explains a lot.
Quote from: Dachande on Dec 17, 2020, 11:49:10 PM
I think that's the same everywhere. People just want to shit on just about everything people enjoy these days!
You should look at the YouTube comments for any PlayStation vs. Xbox video. It's truly unsettling what humans are capable of.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 18, 2020, 12:08:00 AM
Quote from: Dachande on Dec 17, 2020, 11:49:10 PM
I think that's the same everywhere. People just want to shit on just about everything people enjoy these days!
You should look at the YouTube comments for any PlayStation vs. Xbox video. It's truly unsettling what humans are capable of.
Or in most places other than this. Galaxy had always been a collection of exceptionally respectful, intelligent and overall good people. With the exception of few flashes here or there, I dont think anything changed
It's still okay to shit on AvPR though, right?
I love all the main films, original is my favourite.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 17, 2020, 10:42:49 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 10:37:34 PM
Really? No reason?
I remember it differently.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 21, 2017, 08:39:58 AM
How about your tone down it down on your attitude, Pierre? It's starting to get on my nerves. If you want to continue to post on these boards, I'd suggest your involvement becomes more mature and less childish.
Good old, Local, stealth modding. Thanks for the catch, and banned again.
Zoiks!
God damn power ups, abusing power. I'm running out of room on my personal tag for all these nicknames.
If possible that is?.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 18, 2020, 12:08:19 PM
If possible that is?.
Had that as my custom text a few months ago. Glad I'm not the only one who remembers.
I know he claimed otherwise when I asked him, but RidleyScott99's constant use of "?." and his hostile nature always had me wondering if maybe, just maybe, he might actually have been the Master of the Moon.
Spoiler
(https://img.cinemablend.com/filter:scale/quill/2/9/3/6/7/e/29367e67ece3535345334e50faa437fa7aacd1fb.jpg?fw=1200)
Hes not even trying to hard which is trolling in itself. He always uses numbers in his usernames
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 18, 2020, 08:22:36 PM
I know he claimed otherwise when I asked him, but RidleyScott99's constant use of "?." and his hostile nature always had me wondering if maybe, just maybe, he might actually have been the Master of the Moon.
Spoiler
(https://img.cinemablend.com/filter:scale/quill/2/9/3/6/7/e/29367e67ece3535345334e50faa437fa7aacd1fb.jpg?fw=1200)
So was this like a Skyrim situation where rather than him actually being defeated back then he was just accidentally sent forward in time to be a problem for future us?
Listen, we're not the last humans left.
I don't think mastermoon was ever banned though.
I was under the impression he was but I checked and I guess he wasn't.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 18, 2020, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 18, 2020, 12:08:19 PM
If possible that is?.
Had that as my custom text a few months ago. Glad I'm not the only one who remembers.
I don't get it. ???
Ha, not often I get to tell you something was before your time.
yung whippersnapper
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 18, 2020, 11:17:14 PM
Ha, not often I get to tell you something was before your time.
Why can't you be more like GG Allin?
You want me to shit and bleed all over the place?
I want you to commit! >:(
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia2.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F26FmQ6EOvLxp6cWyY%2Fsource.gif&hash=c05dc13e100395f565dbddb7cddc1ad7adbc621a)
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19129 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19129)
Looks like we overlapped for a short time, but I don't recall interacting with mastermoon.
I kind of remember him, but kind of do not.
my god did we really ban mastermoons second coming?.
Gee, forums were harsh ten years ago
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 18, 2012, 02:18:30 AM
I can imagine like lets say in 2020, people will often compare Prometheus directors cut to be the best version and ignore the original.
:D
Man, that mastermoon guy really didn't want 'em filthy AvP movies to be connected to Prometheus, did he ?
Quote from: Omegamorph on Dec 19, 2020, 11:08:24 AM
my god did we really ban mastermoons second coming?.
No, mastermoon's second coming was UFO-Man, but I'm pretty sure that account has long since been purged.
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 19, 2020, 11:16:55 AM
Gee, forums were harsh ten years ago
About 7 years ago they were fire.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 19, 2020, 04:30:14 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 19, 2020, 11:16:55 AM
Gee, forums were harsh ten years ago
About 7 years ago they were fire.
Social media hadn't quite replaced them fully yet, and there was still the right amount of big user base and wild-west freedom.
Indeed. I would say that that primetime galaxy was about as close as I can remember a forum being to primetime gamegossip. Goodtimes.
I will give galaxy credit though, it is hanging on long after all the rest of them have died.
It should be part of a fan's development to log in and start an account on an old school fanboard.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 19, 2020, 05:06:26 PMIndeed. I would say that that primetime galaxy was about as close as I can remember a forum being to primetime gamegossip. Goodtimes.
I'm still bitter that I missed out on the cowl vs. caste debate there. >:(
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 19, 2020, 07:57:52 PM
A:R is bananas and I love it.
Yes.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 19, 2020, 05:06:26 PMIndeed. I would say that that primetime galaxy was about as close as I can remember a forum being to primetime gamegossip. Goodtimes.
I'm still bitter that I missed out on the cowl vs. caste debate there. >:(
Technically this was AvPNews, but it was/became a sub section of GameGossip.
Stupid Forum represent, shout out to my boys H2 and Mishra. Never forget that if someone asks if you'd like tuna or cheze, you can put both.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 19, 2020, 05:06:26 PMIndeed. I would say that that primetime galaxy was about as close as I can remember a forum being to primetime gamegossip. Goodtimes.
I'm still bitter that I missed out on the cowl vs. caste debate there. >:(
Pages upon pages of vitriol, it was legendary. I actually only have vague memories anymore. I was pretty young. Has to be like 17 or 18 years ago now?
About that, yeah. I think I joined in late 2000/early 2001.
Biology and Cultural Thesis was the in-universe discussion area IIRC?
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 19, 2020, 08:43:25 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 19, 2020, 05:06:26 PMIndeed. I would say that that primetime galaxy was about as close as I can remember a forum being to primetime gamegossip. Goodtimes.
I'm still bitter that I missed out on the cowl vs. caste debate there. >:(
Pages upon pages of vitriol, it was legendary. I actually only have vague memories anymore. I was pretty young. Has to be like 17 or 18 years ago now?
I wonder what the prequel versions of SM and Xenomrph were like.
Much the same to talk to, although 'mrph has become an ascended canonite rather than a strict one.
The fact that SM and Mrph can talk to each other now shows you how much times have changed.
When I joined News was already a forum of GG. I lurked for a long time before, but was drawn in by the AvP2 discussion and then all the other mess.
Mishra was the Aspie of GG.
It's kind of weird/sad how some of the forumers out of those groups got left behind when the forums shut down.
Renegade, X1M, etc.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 19, 2020, 09:43:13 PM
The fact that SM and Mrph can talk to each other now shows you how much times have changed.
But they don't. :-\
When they do speak it is often cordial in comparison to how it used to be.
Do you two have to agree to disagree?
I refuse to agree to disagree! >:(
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 19, 2020, 09:50:40 PM
When they do speak it is often cordial in comparison to how it used to be.
Did they used to be like this?
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/dz9guDI3A3CaCWmteB/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2020, 09:53:40 PM
I refuse to agree to disagree! >:(
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 19, 2020, 09:50:40 PM
When they do speak it is often cordial in comparison to how it used to be.
Did they used to be like this?
https://media3.giphy.com/media/dz9guDI3A3CaCWmteB/giphy.gif
I used to picture it this way....
(https://i.imgur.com/Q7M086y.gif)
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 19, 2020, 08:53:42 PM
About that, yeah. I think I joined in late 2000/early 2001.
Biology and Cultural Thesis was the in-universe discussion area IIRC?
Yes sir, it was pretty heated in there lol. I joined the MPlayer boards after AvP PC came out, extreme network or something? Then ended up at AvPNews/gamegossip soon after. I have always been a infrequent poster and mostly lurker. Used to go by Cpl._Badass lol. i was alway's a big fan of Sadogoat and Eldritch.
Actually your tag reminds me of an AvP mod from back then, Cancer Black.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2020, 09:49:24 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 19, 2020, 09:43:13 PM
The fact that SM and Mrph can talk to each other now shows you how much times have changed.
But they don't. :-\
It's better that way.
I think you guys should do the caste cowl debate one more time.
Bring Daemos and JA Eyers out of retirement when you do.
Lol Daemos.. Damn there's a name I haven't heard in a long time! I was always a fan of JA Eyers actually. I remember agreeing with him a lot.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 20, 2020, 01:58:39 AM
Lol Daemos.. Damn there's a name I haven't heard in a long time! I was always a fan of JA Eyers actually. I remember agreeing with him a lot.
Eyers was my co-assualt leader when we went after the imdb boards. :laugh:
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 20, 2020, 01:26:11 AM
I think you guys should do the caste cowl debate one more time.
I hear tell cowl already won though.
I actually thought caste made more sense at the time.
I remember fighting in Xemomrphs army during the caste/cowl battles. Now I don't even have an opinion on the matter :laugh:
If you were a young'n when the EU put the idea your head, chances are higher that you became more attached to it.
I still think Praetorians make sense. I mean an Alien isn't just born a queen. It'd have to grow to get there.
There are no Pred-Praetorians?
Praetorian is a mini-boss
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2017, 12:35:43 AM
Aliens are formidable enough without needing uber-warrior classes or reproductive castes.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 20, 2020, 01:26:11 AM
I think you guys should do the caste cowl debate one more time.
Bring Daemos and JA Eyers out of retirement when you do.
JA's a proper actual writer now. Which is nice, 'cos the kid had talent.
I liked his Hudson fanfic.
PFC_Hudson did not.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2020, 08:00:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2017, 12:35:43 AM
Aliens are formidable enough without needing uber-warrior classes or reproductive castes.
But its not a warrior caste.........it's just a baby queen leaving the hive to establish a nest elsewhere.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 19, 2020, 09:43:13 PM
It's kind of weird/sad how some of the forumers out of those groups got left behind when the forums shut down.
Renegade, X1M, etc.
Are you on their Facebook group? I can't remember whose in it or not, and it's not massively active, but it's there.
Yeah, but I'm not bugging them. It would be like the uv guys and gals, most of them are doing other things with their lives these days.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 20, 2020, 05:16:17 AM
I remember fighting in Xemomrphs army during the caste/cowl battles. Now I don't even have an opinion on the matter :laugh:
I can't even remember which was which. Which was the theory that the aliens in Aliens had shiny domes and just shed them as they got older?
Yeah, POST PROOF OR RETRACT...
It always made more sense to me that there were different types of alien, solo beastie and hive drone, and James Cameron said as much when asked why his looked different. I remember getting more ire for closing the thread after he waded in than any other. Apparently people still wanted to have something to argue about even after the guy who gave them something to argue about settled it.
Hello all, by the way. I hope you're all well. I'm in central London, which is being particularly badly hit by Covid. I was sent a link to this thread by one of our former AvPNews compatriots and I could hardly resist, could I?
To follow up on SM's post, once you get your name on the front cover of a real children's novel, you start to worry about the fact that you also used your real name for that story about Hudson discovering his sexuality in rather graphic terms 20 years ago...
(https://i.gifer.com/72uG.gif)
Quote from: JAY AY EE on Dec 25, 2020, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 20, 2020, 05:16:17 AM
I remember fighting in Xemomrphs army during the caste/cowl battles. Now I don't even have an opinion on the matter :laugh:
I can't even remember which was which. Which was the theory that the aliens in Aliens had shiny domes and just shed them as they got older?
Yeah, POST PROOF OR RETRACT...
It always made more sense to me that there were different types of alien, solo beastie and hive drone, and James Cameron said as much when asked why his looked different. I remember getting more ire for closing the thread after he waded in than any other. Apparently people still wanted to have something to argue about even after the guy who gave them something to argue about settled it.
Hello all, by the way. I hope you're all well. I'm in central London, which is being particularly badly hit by Covid. I was sent a link to this thread by one of our former AvPNews compatriots and I could hardly resist, could I?
To follow up on SM's post, once you get your name on the front cover of a real children's novel, you start to worry about the fact that you also used your real name for that story about Hudson discovering his sexuality in rather graphic terms 20 years ago...
Hallo mate. :)
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 19, 2020, 10:13:57 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 19, 2020, 08:53:42 PM
About that, yeah. I think I joined in late 2000/early 2001.
Biology and Cultural Thesis was the in-universe discussion area IIRC?
Yes sir, it was pretty heated in there lol. I joined the MPlayer boards after AvP PC came out, extreme network or something? Then ended up at AvPNews/gamegossip soon after. I have always been a infrequent poster and mostly lurker. Used to go by Cpl._Badass lol. i was alway's a big fan of Sadogoat and Eldritch.
Actually your tag reminds me of an AvP mod from back then, Cancer Black.
Yeah the name thing comes up a bit, just the same inspiration. And thank f**k for Sado, taught me how to death metal.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 20, 2020, 01:26:11 AM
I think you guys should do the caste cowl debate one more time.
Bring Daemos and JA Eyers out of retirement when you do.
The modern innanet is not ready for Daemos. People like to front like Slaanesh cultists but he was The Queen.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2020, 08:21:56 AM
I liked his Hudson fanfic.
Pepperidge farm remembers.
Quote from: JAY AY EE on Dec 25, 2020, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 20, 2020, 05:16:17 AM
I remember fighting in Xemomrphs army during the caste/cowl battles. Now I don't even have an opinion on the matter :laugh:
I can't even remember which was which. Which was the theory that the aliens in Aliens had shiny domes and just shed them as they got older?
Yeah, POST PROOF OR RETRACT...
It always made more sense to me that there were different types of alien, solo beastie and hive drone, and James Cameron said as much when asked why his looked different. I remember getting more ire for closing the thread after he waded in than any other. Apparently people still wanted to have something to argue about even after the guy who gave them something to argue about settled it.
Hello all, by the way. I hope you're all well. I'm in central London, which is being particularly badly hit by Covid. I was sent a link to this thread by one of our former AvPNews compatriots and I could hardly resist, could I?
To follow up on SM's post, once you get your name on the front cover of a real children's novel, you start to worry about the fact that you also used your real name for that story about Hudson discovering his sexuality in rather graphic terms 20 years ago...
What a blast from the past.
QuotePOST PROOF OR RETRACT
:laugh:
Hey LT, I think PPOR needs to be brought back for the egg thread.
God, you're ancient
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2020, 08:00:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2017, 12:35:43 AM
Aliens are formidable enough without needing uber-warrior classes or reproductive castes.
I agree with this completely but Praetorians are just cool and I give them a free pass even though they're redundant.
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 26, 2020, 08:14:57 PM
God, you're ancient
Yes.
You're perfect.
Quote from: JAY AY EE on Dec 25, 2020, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 20, 2020, 05:16:17 AM
I remember fighting in Xemomrphs army during the caste/cowl battles. Now I don't even have an opinion on the matter :laugh:
I can't even remember which was which. Which was the theory that the aliens in Aliens had shiny domes and just shed them as they got older?
Yeah, POST PROOF OR RETRACT...
It always made more sense to me that there were different types of alien, solo beastie and hive drone, and James Cameron said as much when asked why his looked different. I remember getting more ire for closing the thread after he waded in than any other. Apparently people still wanted to have something to argue about even after the guy who gave them something to argue about settled it.
Hello all, by the way. I hope you're all well. I'm in central London, which is being particularly badly hit by Covid. I was sent a link to this thread by one of our former AvPNews compatriots and I could hardly resist, could I?
To follow up on SM's post, once you get your name on the front cover of a real children's novel, you start to worry about the fact that you also used your real name for that story about Hudson discovering his sexuality in rather graphic terms 20 years ago...
Waddup baby
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 26, 2020, 08:10:46 PM
QuotePOST PROOF OR RETRACT
:laugh:
Hey LT, I think PPOR needs to be brought back for the egg thread.
Did... did that used to be a thing? ???
Yes.
Was it used by Xenomrph or Daemos?
Quote from: JAY AY EE on Dec 25, 2020, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 20, 2020, 05:16:17 AM
I remember fighting in Xemomrphs army during the caste/cowl battles. Now I don't even have an opinion on the matter :laugh:
I can't even remember which was which. Which was the theory that the aliens in Aliens had shiny domes and just shed them as they got older?
Yeah, POST PROOF OR RETRACT...
It always made more sense to me that there were different types of alien, solo beastie and hive drone, and James Cameron said as much when asked why his looked different. I remember getting more ire for closing the thread after he waded in than any other. Apparently people still wanted to have something to argue about even after the guy who gave them something to argue about settled it.
Hello all, by the way. I hope you're all well. I'm in central London, which is being particularly badly hit by Covid. I was sent a link to this thread by one of our former AvPNews compatriots and I could hardly resist, could I?
To follow up on SM's post, once you get your name on the front cover of a real children's novel, you start to worry about the fact that you also used your real name for that story about Hudson discovering his sexuality in rather graphic terms 20 years ago...
:o
Great seeing you post again man! Been ages, I'm in the facebook group but I'm not much of a social media guy. I think I'm on here more actually.
Glad to see you're doing well though, this thread has been a nice little reminder of the past.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2020, 12:40:44 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 26, 2020, 08:10:46 PM
QuotePOST PROOF OR RETRACT
Hey LT, I think PPOR needs to be brought back for the egg thread.
Did... did that used to be a thing? ???
:laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2020, 01:01:24 AM
Was it used by Xenomrph or Daemos?
Both I think. Often times sarcastically.
I honestly don't remember cowl winning. I remember people eventually getting bored of the arguments, the main instigators taking shots at each other, and then Sado coming in and nuking everything.
It was like egg thread x 10
You fought in Clone Wars ?
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 27, 2020, 05:36:25 AM
I honestly don't remember cowl winning. I remember people eventually getting bored of the arguments, the main instigators taking shots at each other, and then Sado coming in and nuking everything.
It's too bad you guys didn't have me there to steer everyone toward consensus.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2020, 05:06:08 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 27, 2020, 03:36:28 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2020, 01:01:24 AM
Was it used by Xenomrph or Daemos?
Both I think. Often times sarcastically.
Is that how cowl won?
Cowl did NOT win. Because it was made up by fanboys to explain something that didn't need explaining. Kind of like Rogue One. Just not as good.
Quote from: SM on Dec 26, 2020, 11:18:56 AM
Quote from: JAY AY EE on Dec 25, 2020, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 20, 2020, 05:16:17 AM
I remember fighting in Xemomrphs army during the caste/cowl battles. Now I don't even have an opinion on the matter :laugh:
I can't even remember which was which. Which was the theory that the aliens in Aliens had shiny domes and just shed them as they got older?
Yeah, POST PROOF OR RETRACT...
It always made more sense to me that there were different types of alien, solo beastie and hive drone, and James Cameron said as much when asked why his looked different. I remember getting more ire for closing the thread after he waded in than any other. Apparently people still wanted to have something to argue about even after the guy who gave them something to argue about settled it.
Hello all, by the way. I hope you're all well. I'm in central London, which is being particularly badly hit by Covid. I was sent a link to this thread by one of our former AvPNews compatriots and I could hardly resist, could I?
To follow up on SM's post, once you get your name on the front cover of a real children's novel, you start to worry about the fact that you also used your real name for that story about Hudson discovering his sexuality in rather graphic terms 20 years ago...
Hallo mate. :)
Hello! Make me feel really old and tell me how old your baby is now...
Quote from: JAY AY EE on Dec 28, 2020, 07:13:40 PMCowl did NOT win. Because it was made up by fanboys to explain something that didn't need explaining. Kind of like Rogue One. Just not as good.
But...
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 05, 2019, 02:13:49 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 04, 2019, 10:59:05 PM
Caste vs cowl. One of the best ever threads. :laugh:
Looking at things today it seems like cowl won, mostly.
So I'm confused.
A majority of people I come across, subscribe to some kind of moulting process. Purely anecdotally, it seems to be the more popular of the two these days.
Quote from: JAY AY EE on Dec 28, 2020, 07:13:40 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2020, 05:06:08 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 27, 2020, 03:36:28 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2020, 01:01:24 AM
Was it used by Xenomrph or Daemos?
Both I think. Often times sarcastically.
Is that how cowl won?
Cowl did NOT win. Because it was made up by fanboys to explain something that didn't need explaining. Kind of like Rogue One. Just not as good.
Quote from: SM on Dec 26, 2020, 11:18:56 AM
Quote from: JAY AY EE on Dec 25, 2020, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 20, 2020, 05:16:17 AM
I remember fighting in Xemomrphs army during the caste/cowl battles. Now I don't even have an opinion on the matter :laugh:
I can't even remember which was which. Which was the theory that the aliens in Aliens had shiny domes and just shed them as they got older?
Yeah, POST PROOF OR RETRACT...
It always made more sense to me that there were different types of alien, solo beastie and hive drone, and James Cameron said as much when asked why his looked different. I remember getting more ire for closing the thread after he waded in than any other. Apparently people still wanted to have something to argue about even after the guy who gave them something to argue about settled it.
Hello all, by the way. I hope you're all well. I'm in central London, which is being particularly badly hit by Covid. I was sent a link to this thread by one of our former AvPNews compatriots and I could hardly resist, could I?
To follow up on SM's post, once you get your name on the front cover of a real children's novel, you start to worry about the fact that you also used your real name for that story about Hudson discovering his sexuality in rather graphic terms 20 years ago...
Hallo mate. :)
Hello! Make me feel really old and tell me how old your baby is now...
Which one? The First Born is 19. :D
Perhaps he was expecting Fourthborn by now.
Do any of the chilluns have your love in the franchise?
Nup.
disown them
I'm a failure as a parent.
As your offspring they should have at least some acid in their blood. :-\
I feel some people are Ridley Scott or horror fans and others are James Cameron and action fans. I've only seen Alien a few times and appreciate the "truckers in space" slasher vibe but absolutely love the action and team on a mission dynamic of Aliens.
I can't remember which thread or what posters I was chatting to this about. So sorry for posting here. Although it was in one of these type threads.
Anyway I said if I came across the vid info about the idea of not having Ripley back in the films after Alien and also the movies not being popular with women too. I would post it up. Most of you will have seen this anyway I know.
QuoteWhich Alien movie would you say was your favorite to do?
WEAVER: Oh, goodness, that's difficult. The best-constructed story for the character to tell was in Aliens, just because Jim [Cameron] has such an amazing sense of structure of story. To take this character out of hyper-sleep, have no one believe her, have her be exiled into this limbo land where no one believes her and her family's dead. The whole set-up for Ripley in Aliens and then what she ends up doing and what it, finding this new family by the end. The whole structure of that story, to me, was gold. I always felt that I could jump up and down on it. It was such a great, supportive, arc for the character. In that sense, the second one for Ripley is probably the most satisfying.
https://collider.com/sigourney-weaver-interview-my-salinger-year-alien-movies-franchise/
Thank you for posting this. I enjoyed the article and several others because of it.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 04:24:28 PM
QuoteWhich Alien movie would you say was your favorite to do?
WEAVER: Oh, goodness, that's difficult. The best-constructed story for the character to tell was in Aliens, just because Jim [Cameron] has such an amazing sense of structure of story. To take this character out of hyper-sleep, have no one believe her, have her be exiled into this limbo land where no one believes her and her family's dead. The whole set-up for Ripley in Aliens and then what she ends up doing and what it, finding this new family by the end. The whole structure of that story, to me, was gold. I always felt that I could jump up and down on it. It was such a great, supportive, arc for the character. In that sense, the second one for Ripley is probably the most satisfying.
https://collider.com/sigourney-weaver-interview-my-salinger-year-alien-movies-franchise/
Hey Sigourney!(https://media0.giphy.com/media/5wWf7GW1AzV6pF3MaVW/giphy.gif)
Thanks for sharing NA.
I'm curious to learn why someone prefers Alien Resurrection or Prometheus over Alien / Aliens.
Such people exist ? ;D
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 08, 2021, 11:33:01 PM
I'm curious to learn why someone prefers Alien Resurrection or Prometheus over Alien / Aliens.
Might've been their entry point.
Quote from: SM on Mar 08, 2021, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 08, 2021, 11:33:01 PM
I'm curious to learn why someone prefers Alien Resurrection or Prometheus over Alien / Aliens.
Might've been their entry point.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 08, 2021, 11:40:24 PM
Such people exist ? ;D
I haven't participated in Scified for years, but there someone said he liked Prometheus and Resurrection better. Maybe SM is right about first movie experience in the IP.
Prometheus perhaps I can orchestrate some logic behind taking that position possibly, but Resurrection I got nothing. :-\
Why do some people prefer it?
Cause it's better. ;D
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 08, 2021, 11:55:17 PM
I haven't participated in Scified for years, but there someone said he liked Prometheus and Resurrection better. Maybe SM is right about first movie experience in the IP.
I have made this claim repeatedly on dud accounts on several websites. Not saying I trolled you.
But I might have trolled you.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 09, 2021, 05:29:17 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 08, 2021, 11:55:17 PM
I haven't participated in Scified for years, but there someone said he liked Prometheus and Resurrection better. Maybe SM is right about first movie experience in the IP.
I have made this claim repeatedly on dud accounts on several websites. Not saying I trolled you.
But I might have trolled you.
Unless your trolling activities include shapeshifting yourself on a 19 years old Swedish girl nicknamed Feebs, I don't think so :laugh:
Now I remember actually. The person was a moderator just like me at the time (2012).
https://www.scified.com/member/11211
My account there was shambs.
https://www.scified.com/member/1980
EDIT ~ I remember seeing your drawings outside of AVP Galaxy. It was there, wasn't it?
Personally, my reason for liking Alien more than Aliens is entirely based on aesthetics and personal taste. I think they're equal in quality, but Alien hits a certain spot for me, the cinematography, the set design, the slowly increasing tension. To this day, it's still one of the scariest films I've ever seen due to the steady build and the fact the intensity never really drops. The chase scene near the end is my favorite example,
Spoiler
even if Ripley's not actually being chased
, the way it's shot, the camerawork, the sound design, everything is tense and terrifying all the way to the end. I'm also more of a horror kind of guy in general, though I LOVE Aliens a LOT, I'm less of an action-horror guy and prefer pure, unfiltered terror to thrills. Both are still 10/10's from me, though.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 09, 2021, 07:11:47 AM
EDIT ~ I remember seeing your drawings outside of AVP Galaxy. It was there, wasn't it?
Nah, I only post art on accounts with the official [cb] branding, of which there are very few. But my stuff does show up in certain google image searches, and I've seen others repost it very, very occasionally.
I still prefer the world building in Aliens but Alien is a science fiction masterpiece. I love this movie even more now.
Quote from: Billiken on Mar 18, 2021, 01:24:06 AM
I still prefer the world building in Aliens but Alien is a science fiction masterpiece. I love this movie even more now.
Absolutely, Aliens was a great action film but Alien was scary and intriguing. It's one that you can't walk away from until it's over.
Yeah two different movies, both great at what they do. Can't we just love them both equally for different reasons ? ;D
Indeed, they are both outstanding.
Hear! Hear!
You can't do that, just go on the internet and be reasonable. Where are the insults, slurs and self righteousness?
:laugh:
There's plenty of that indeed ! No need for me to add more. ;)
The "Hotpocket Brigade" must be fed!
But they do it for free ???
Alien is more the horror film I prefer and Aliens quite frankly hasn't aged well.
Can I ask in what way ? I'm curious.
I don't think the tech has aged well in Aliens.
Look at a Ranger from the 75th Ranger Regiment today, and look at a colonial marine and tell me which one looks more advanced.
This of course will ALWAYS be a problem in sci fi. The movies are made at a certain time and technology keeps advancing while the movie is always a reflection of that time. Still it doesn't help that aside from the ships, the stuff the grunts carry just looks big and clunky and outdated.
Though being able to carry a full combat load in only two magazines would be the bees knees.
I would guess as technology gets more compact, so would real world weapons? Big and clunky is good for a visual medium though. It makes it look dangerous. You want a gun to look like it could make a hole in a tank rather than just remove a melanoma.
It should get smaller, lighter, and more compact. But who knows. Technology is also cyclical. Remember in WWII when soldiers didn't wear body armor because it was outdated and cutdown on mobility?
If a side starts wearing uparmored exoskeletons, who knows what grunts would carry.
The more compact they make shit, the more you carry anyways.
That's no moon...
SW never went for realism though.
Aliens isn't realistic, but it at least looked that way.
Quote from: SM on May 05, 2021, 02:08:00 AM
I would guess as technology gets more compact, so would real world weapons? Big and clunky is good for a visual medium though. It makes it look dangerous. You want a gun to look like it could make a hole in a tank rather than just remove a melanoma.
The gun that remove a melanoma seems like an elegant weapon, for more civilized universes :laugh: it reminds me of
Star Trek and how its creator dreamed of a utopia without wars, where everything can be handled through dialogue and diplomacy. Yes, that is far from being
Star Wars,
Starship Troopers, let alone the dark and grity universe of
Alien. I guess it depends of the fictional universe identity and what it's triying to tell to the audience.
Edit: Although it depends on the movie. For example, while Prometheus generates an in-universe tech anachronism, it was a scientific expedition.
Quote from: Kimarhi on May 05, 2021, 02:27:00 AM
SW never went for realism though.
As you said it's often cyclical. And sometimes the smallest operations demand the biggest gadgets.
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Wouldn't the Alien films count as steelpunk?
Quote from: Kimarhi on May 05, 2021, 02:18:00 AM
Technology is also cyclical. Remember in WWII when soldiers didn't wear body armor because it was outdated and cutdown on mobility?
And before that, when plate armour gave way to wearing a cuirass and helmet because guns made full plate obsolete.
I guess when everyone's running around with explosive-tipped armour-piercing rounds, why bother with armour ... ? (I can still think of many reasons but you get the drift.)
Quote from: Kimarhi on May 05, 2021, 01:41:39 AM
This of course will ALWAYS be a problem in sci fi. The movies are made at a certain time and technology keeps advancing while the movie is always a reflection of that time.
Prometheus anyone? Yep, agreed. We can do our best to explain some of this stuff away, but we're always going to run into this problem.
It's not an issue, in my opinion anyway, because trying to predict the future's ultimately futile it's what it reflects in us that's interesting.
The only thing that really looks old-fashioned to me is the hair styles. Weaver, Reiser and even Biehn have that 80s big hair look. But then, fashion goes in cycles; so you could rationalise that by saying in 2179, big hair is back in style.
Apart from that, I suppose you could nit-pick the oversized helmet cams, the humungous shoulder lamp batteries, the primitive sentry gun laptop displays, but what is the point? Alien '79 has its coarse low-res computer screens, the clicking mechanical relays in its computers. That's all part of the charm (as featured in Alien Isolation).
TC
Quote from: TC on May 05, 2021, 04:01:20 PM
The only thing that really looks old-fashioned to me is the hair styles.
Alien 3 was smart in that regard ;D
:laugh:
I have seen current teenagers dressing as a mix between slab 80's outfits and the 90's grunge look.
Yeah I know what you mean, there's a resurgence of old fashion styles nowadays. Perhaps they actually don't even know they are older styles though.
I've even seen African American boys dressing up as the fresh prince of Bel-Air (haircut included) while talking with their Phones. It seems like time travel. :laugh:
:laugh:
Brings back memories of my childhood, damn !
I never liked Sigourney Weaver's look in Aliens.
I rate Ripley's look from best to wost in this way:
1~ Alien
2~ Resurrection
3~ Alien³
4~ Aliens
Of course this is just personal taste. :laugh:
Totally agree.
Well this is an issue of: guessing the future will in most cases be wrong and is just a matter of time before what a movie thinks how the future will look like: will be wrong.
Its normal and theres basicly two solutions:
1: Update the technology as Ridley scott did and ignore how technology is more advanced in the past than it is in the franchise future, to please the audience who is used to more modern stuff than what was avaiable in the 80s.
2: Make it franchise related, steelpunk or whatever you want to call it, like disney did with star wars: amke it to a style and keep technology in line with what we saw in the movies and ignore real life technology is way more advanced in certain areas.
It's kind of weird. Only military shit bothers me like that in movies.
When people drive cars without looking at the road, having a full 30 minute conversation on a road they never have to turn on, it doesn't bother me. I drive 90 miles a day for work, so you think I'd automatically zone in on those inconsistencies. But it doesn't bother me.
But if I see somebody firing from the hip laying waste to everything or something similar it bothers the shit out of me.
As has been said, the dos looking system in Alien doesn't bother me. But most of the Marines tactics/gear does in Aliens. But then most military portrayals in movies do. I think maybe its when you have a physical investment into something you see it different. I often think about Aliens, if Aliens was actually done tactically. But I will also give Aliens props for breaking the "every grunt is the same guy," cliche. Aliens at least attempted to tell their marines apart bit giving them differing, if flat personalities. Not saying they are deep and interesting, just nobody usually confuses Frost with Hicks.
Not always the case in other movies where grunt a could be also playing grunt c, and nobody knows or cares.
It also bothers me but for reasons other than realism, I'm fine with things working on cinema logic, but I want the best of the best humanity can offer to go up against the Alien and either barely win or outright lose, I'm tired of seeing unprepared idiots bite it, that does not make the monster that threatening.
If the marines hadn't been victims of both Gorman's inept leadership and sheer bad luck, they could have massacred the aliens.
Doubt it.
Quote from: judge death on May 05, 2021, 10:13:01 PM
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2: Make it franchise related, steelpunk or whatever you want to call it, like disney did with star wars: amke it to a style and keep technology in line with what we saw in the movies and ignore real life technology is way more advanced in certain areas.
-- my preferred option, which is the direction
Alien: Isolation took - a deliberate retro "industrial-tech" style.
It provides a nostalgia that I enjoy but it also separates the
Alien-look from all the other futuristic sci-fi that is currently out there. I'm sure you're familiar with the production design style that's so ubiquitous these days: free-floating see-through holographic GUIs, often in 3D; flat-panel all-in-one haptic displays. I feel like I've seen enough of this.
In
The Expanse they have the space ship interiors that are roomy and bright, and others that are dark and laden with pipework, ducts and cable trunking. The two styles distinguish between the well-funded and modern Earth/Mars ships, and the older, jerry-rigged Belter ships. I prefer the latter; it's the WWII German U-boat look.
You probably know the story about Ridley Scott inspecting the Nostromo bridge for the first time and instructing that the ceilings be dropped by a couple of feet. He wanted a claustrophobic, cramped in feeling. Afterwards, the cast and crew were constantly bumping their heads on the ceiling fixtures. This is ideal! It's the best way to convey the idea that you are in an enclosed pressure vessel where atmosphere is a precious and highly controlled commodity. All spaceship set should have ceilings, and low enough that they are constantly in frame!
In
The Expanse (season 5), Drummer's ship is like this. It is strongly reminiscent of
Alien. If only they had spurned the large, flat panel displays and gone for discrete controls with hardware knobs and levers and switches and buttons.
TC
I'm glad The Expanse's got it's own aesthetic in places, if they did exactly as you suggest here, you will essentially end up with Alien and it's already more than close for comfort in a lot of areas.
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 06, 2021, 06:22:25 AM
Doubt it.
Even with the APC's firepower and close air support from the dropship?
In such terms I think I'd write it to have them burrow, just having them be able to be wiped out by bombardment's so dull, they have to force people to get up close and personal somehow.
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 06, 2021, 06:35:58 AM
I'm glad The Expanse's got it's own aesthetic in places, if they did exactly as you suggest here, you will essentially end up with Alien and it's already more than close for comfort in a lot of areas.
Yeah. I think I might have posted here before about how easily I thought
The Expanse could have been an
Alien TV show. On the one hand I get to enjoy a series that I really like, but on the other, I'm annoyed Fox dragged their heels for so long they let
The Expanse get there first.
TC
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 06, 2021, 06:56:59 AM
just having them be able to be wiped out by bombardment's so dull,
They were wiped out by a piece of malfunctioning hardware.
Yeah I'm aware it's something I'm not entirely fond of.
That they're not ... what, immortal or something? ???
The whole point is that they're killable. It's just hard.
Because it turns them into a pest honestly, a planetary scale one though granted if things go awry, but my point being I'd prefer them still be formidable even if you do everything right.
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 06, 2021, 07:50:42 AM
but my point being I'd prefer them still be formidable even if you do everything right.
Assume Gorman was competent for a moment; the marines don't go in, but they establish the presence of the hive. The APC can technically fit down there, but again -- assume Gorman's competent, they don't drive down to start blasting.
Their only real option to deal with the Aliens was ever only to nuke the things. It takes a pretty formidable threat for there to be no clear middle ground between "we get massacred" and "we obliterate the site from orbit".
"Obliterate the site from orbit and even then risk bringing something back with us if we touch down."
Yeah I guess that's pretty final.
It just becomes a narrative issue for me when you take that and extrapolate that to the rest of the Alien universe, it inevitably becomes predictable, you send in your most advanced technology available and if you succeed you win if you do not you retreat and bombard.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 05, 2021, 09:33:34 PM
I rate Ripley's look from best to wost in this way:
1~ Alien
2~ Resurrection
3~ Alien³
4~ Aliens
Of course this is just personal taste. :laugh:
At first I had thought you were ranking movies so I thought:
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As for the Ripley looks: I'm not sure how I would rank them (never gave it a thought tbh) but I damn sure know I don't like her look in Resurrection. It's too much of contrast for me in comparision to how she looked in previous movies
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 05, 2021, 01:54:44 PM
It's not an issue, in my opinion anyway, because trying to predict the future's ultimately futile it's what it reflects in us that's interesting.
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Quote from: SiL on May 06, 2021, 08:03:53 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 06, 2021, 07:50:42 AM
but my point being I'd prefer them still be formidable even if you do everything right.
Assume Gorman was competent for a moment; the marines don't go in, but they establish the presence of the hive. The APC can technically fit down there, but again -- assume Gorman's competent, they don't drive down to start blasting.
Their only real option to deal with the Aliens was ever only to nuke the things. It takes a pretty formidable threat for there to be no clear middle ground between "we get massacred" and "we obliterate the site from orbit".
The problem is they have to try and find survivors and no amount of competence will stop them getting in harms way even if they're able keep their bullets. Even if they could use PUPs to map the thing remotely and establish the presence of the hive, it'd probably be too difficult to pinpoint whether there's any living humans because it'd pick up the Aliens life signs.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 05, 2021, 09:33:34 PM
I rate Ripley's look from best to wost in this way:
1~ Alien
2~ Resurrection
3~ Alien³
4~ Aliens
Of course this is just personal taste. :laugh:
Just too poofy for your taste? :laugh:
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Blasphemy, absolute blasphemy, I'm telling ya
Quote from: Kimarhi on May 06, 2021, 03:26:38 AM
Aliens at least attempted to tell their marines apart bit giving them differing, if flat personalities. Not saying they are deep and interesting, just nobody usually confuses Frost with Hicks.
How about Hicks and Hudson? :P
Just imagine if they'd cast Bill Pullman as Hicks.
https://www.paxtonorpullman.com/
Quote from: Kradan on May 06, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 05, 2021, 09:33:34 PM
I rate Ripley's look from best to wost in this way:
1~ Alien
2~ Resurrection
3~ Alien³
4~ Aliens
Of course this is just personal taste. :laugh:
At first I had thought you were ranking movies so I thought:
Spoiler
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As for the Ripley looks: I'm not sure how I would rank them (never gave it a thought tbh) but I damn sure know I don't like her look in Resurrection. It's too much of contrast for me in comparision to how she looked in previous movies
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 05, 2021, 01:54:44 PM
It's not an issue, in my opinion anyway, because trying to predict the future's ultimately futile it's what it reflects in us that's interesting.
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Contrast in looks of Ripley in A:R is deliberate IMO. Ripley 8 is different character, she ought to look different.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 06, 2021, 04:59:45 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on May 06, 2021, 03:26:38 AM
Aliens at least attempted to tell their marines apart bit giving them differing, if flat personalities. Not saying they are deep and interesting, just nobody usually confuses Frost with Hicks.
How about Hicks and Hudson? :P
Have you ever confused Hicks and Hudson ? :o
Quote from: Master on May 06, 2021, 06:03:20 PM
Quote from: Kradan on May 06, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 05, 2021, 09:33:34 PM
I rate Ripley's look from best to wost in this way:
1~ Alien
2~ Resurrection
3~ Alien³
4~ Aliens
Of course this is just personal taste. :laugh:
At first I had thought you were ranking movies so I thought:
Spoiler
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As for the Ripley looks: I'm not sure how I would rank them (never gave it a thought tbh) but I damn sure know I don't like her look in Resurrection. It's too much of contrast for me in comparision to how she looked in previous movies
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 05, 2021, 01:54:44 PM
It's not an issue, in my opinion anyway, because trying to predict the future's ultimately futile it's what it reflects in us that's interesting.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EquatorialSpotlessDikkops-size_restricted.gif
Contrast in looks of Ripley in A:R is deliberate IMO. Ripley 8 is different character, she ought to look different.
I guess, that's why I said "too much". It's just not for me, it looks bit too action-heroy/comic-booky to me
Well if we now do what local trouble says but still have gorman and the mission the same:
The marines will still land and secure the colony,taking more time doing it, finding no one is there and same events happens as in the movie: finding the colonists in the atmosphere processor. They will have to go in there to find them, no drones or finding alien detection systems as somehow covenant and prometheus movies has.... they probably either send their drop ship back up to sulaco or have it landed somewhere nearby as in the movie, while they go to the processor with the apc.
The commander and gorman finds out on route that the atmosphere processor is basicly a nuclear plant and if damaged will go boom and kill them all so they change loadout from pulse rifles to flamethrowers and close hand weapons that arent armour penetrating and removing grenades.
They go in and find the colonists dead and find themself surronded, and they will still lose most fo the marines here as their tech dont help them and they dont have better weapons, but as they have a battle plan ready they fall back as they notice flamethrowers not killing the xenos but only make them fall back in fear for the flames. They get back to the apc and get out of there and decides to take the drop ship back up to sulaco. IF it was landed on the planet: same things as in the movie happens.
IF on sulaco: they safely get back and argue if they should nuke the site or as gorman and WY say and the commander would probably ask for orders: either nuking the site or let it be for more troops to arrive or wy spech ops.
Using their apc and lander to attack the alien hive: cant, its inside the atmosphere processor and cant risk blowing it, and they are ona rescue mission, not kill the colonists xD
Falling back and rearm: with what? Flamethrowers wont harm the xenos and more powerful weapons might damage the atmosphere processor and that is a one way ticket to hell.
nuking the site: would work but not until they find the colonists dead, as long as its a rescue mission they cant, and yes it would wipe out the hive and set the atmosphere processor to blow up but knowing xenos ability to survive from earth war and being resistant to radiation, its not impossible they survive.
And trash queen: the xenos have made hives underground in the expanded lore so on planets or places where xeno infestation exist, if they have their hive underground, no nuclear strike will wipe them out and will take boots on the ground to wipe them out.
Quote from: Kradan on May 06, 2021, 06:15:34 PM
Have you ever confused Hicks and Hudson ? :o
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Nope, but he has:
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Have you ever been mistaken for a Russian?
^ ouch (you'll probably regret this)
Quote from: Kimarhi on May 05, 2021, 02:18:00 AM
Technology is also cyclical.
Ha this came to mind when I was rewatching the Dune trailer yesterday
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Also I guess when the first portable laser gun is available soldiers will be more than willing to (again)
put up with one or another extra gram
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Warz of the future ma babiez!!
Edit: Hmm seems I managed to hit the qoute button when I fell asleep when I made this qoute of my own post.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 06, 2021, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: Kradan on May 06, 2021, 06:15:34 PM
Have you ever confused Hicks and Hudson ? :o
Spoiler
Nope, but he has:
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Have you ever been mistaken for a Russian?
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"Constantly"Spoiler
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Quote from: Kradan on May 07, 2021, 08:01:00 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 06, 2021, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: Kradan on May 06, 2021, 06:15:34 PM
Have you ever confused Hicks and Hudson ? :o
Spoiler
Nope, but he has:
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Have you ever been mistaken for a Russian?
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"Constantly"Spoiler
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Elgyn is my spirit animal of this franchise.
Mine is general Perez shoulders hair.
Mine is the Whiskey cube.
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