Prometheus is featured in the current issue (Issue 130) of visual effects magazine Cinefex. There are 30 pages in total and there's new behind-the-scenes shots and production still. The magazine is filled with lots of interesting behind-the-scenes information. You can check out the scans below.
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From pg. 18 scan.
I need to know much more about this shot and potential scene.
Quote from: Aceburster on Jun 19, 2012, 06:29:28 PM
http://gyazo.com/0b4a230b07b5f104c0367a735a2f9aae.png
From pg. 18 scan.
I need to know much more about this shot and potential scene.
Holy shit, Holloway is so crepy, awesome ;D
Quote from: Aceburster on Jun 19, 2012, 06:29:28 PM
http://gyazo.com/0b4a230b07b5f104c0367a735a2f9aae.png
From pg. 18 scan.
I need to know much more about this shot and potential scene.
I know........that is so creepy and awesome! Love it!
Quote from: Aceburster on Jun 19, 2012, 06:29:28 PM
http://gyazo.com/0b4a230b07b5f104c0367a735a2f9aae.png
From pg. 18 scan.
I need to know much more about this shot and potential scene.
pre-vis Fifield, before they went with the burn victim caveman look. or at least when that was still up in the air.
I'm happy with what we got for the scene, but that certainly would have been interesting as well.
So much better. Its creepier and more original than what we got by far.
Quote from: Sexy Poot on Jun 19, 2012, 07:24:47 PM
So much better. Its creepier and more original than what we got by far.
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Nice but i cant click on them so cant see shit captain.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jun 19, 2012, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: Aceburster on Jun 19, 2012, 06:29:28 PM
http://gyazo.com/0b4a230b07b5f104c0367a735a2f9aae.png
From pg. 18 scan.
I need to know much more about this shot and potential scene.
pre-vis Fifield, before they went with the burn victim caveman look. or at least when that was still up in the air.
Looks to me like it could be an actual CGfield they cooked up for an alternate version of the scene. It does say that Weta developed a digital version that walked around on its knuckles and shiz (whilst demanding money and marijuana, I imagine), until Ridley opted to use mostly in-camera stuff.
Many thanks for this. :)
Quote from: Bad Replicant on Jun 19, 2012, 07:53:17 PM
Looks to me like it could be an actual CGfield they cooked up for an alternate version of the scene. It does say that Weta developed a digital version that walked around on its knuckles and shiz (whilst demanding money and marijuana, I imagine), until Ridley opted to use mostly in-camera stuff.
looks like a shop to me. I can tell from the pixels, and because I've seen quite a few greedy stoned mutant geologists in my time. maybe test footage. either way, doesn't look totally finished.
not the head design
I would have used, but apparently Ridley never got the resume I faxed him?.
So there you go, its officially confirmed the trilobite is an early facehugger and the deacon is a precursor to the alien
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jun 19, 2012, 08:11:35 PM
Quote from: Bad Replicant on Jun 19, 2012, 07:53:17 PM
Looks to me like it could be an actual CGfield they cooked up for an alternate version of the scene. It does say that Weta developed a digital version that walked around on its knuckles and shiz (whilst demanding money and marijuana, I imagine), until Ridley opted to use mostly in-camera stuff.
looks like a shop to me. I can tell from the pixels, and because I've seen quite a few greedy stoned mutant geologists in my time. maybe test footage. either way, doesn't look totally finished.
not the head design I would have used, but apparently Ridley never got the resume I faxed him?.
Are you sure?
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And the rise in the numbers of present Engineers is getting ridiculous:
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Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
So there you go, its officially confirmed the trilobite is an early facehugger and the deacon is a precursor to the alien
No? That's completely contradictory to everything Ridley Scott has said in interviews.
Quote from: Aceburster on Jun 19, 2012, 06:29:28 PM
http://gyazo.com/0b4a230b07b5f104c0367a735a2f9aae.png
From pg. 18 scan.
I need to know much more about this shot and potential scene.
That is wonderfully creepy! True nightmare material. Imagine waking up with that thing looming over your bed...
Don't get why they went with the mutated zombie caveman look instead.
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
So there you go, its officially confirmed the trilobite is an early facehugger and the deacon is a precursor to the alien
No? That's completely contradictory to everything Ridley Scott has said in interviews.
There are pages on Deacon saying how its a creature that will eventually end up evolving into Giger alien of the first film. Then on different pages it explains that the alien is a creature/result of mixing dna of a human, triobyte and engineer
Quote from: LarsVader on Jun 19, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
Are you sure?
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hmmm. yeah, I take it back, that looks pretty serious. it's the grey eyeballs that are throwing me off.
Quote from: LarsVader on Jun 19, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
And the rise in the numbers of present Engineers is getting ridiculous:
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holy SHIT
Quote from: LarsVader on Jun 19, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
Are you sure?
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I'll admit, I'm no expert on long-limbed greedy stoned mutant geologist bastards.
But that is totally the same long-limbed greedy stoned mutant geologist bastard.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:26:57 PM
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
So there you go, its officially confirmed the trilobite is an early facehugger and the deacon is a precursor to the alien
No? That's completely contradictory to everything Ridley Scott has said in interviews.
There are pages on Deacon saying how its a creature that will eventually end up evolving into Giger alien of the first film. Then on different pages it explains that the alien is a creature/result of mixing dna of a human, triobyte and engineer
Wait so if Deacon is a random mix of stuff that will eventually turn into Gigers Alien then... anything that stuff touches will eventually turn into Gigers Alien?
God I hope this is in the extended edition!
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Quote from: Aceburster on Jun 19, 2012, 08:42:18 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:26:57 PM
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
So there you go, its officially confirmed the trilobite is an early facehugger and the deacon is a precursor to the alien
No? That's completely contradictory to everything Ridley Scott has said in interviews.
There are pages on Deacon saying how its a creature that will eventually end up evolving into Giger alien of the first film. Then on different pages it explains that the alien is a creature/result of mixing dna of a human, triobyte and engineer
Wait so if Deacon is a random mix of stuff that will eventually turn into Gigers Alien then... anything that stuff touches will eventually turn into Gigers Alien?
The art book explains that
the Deacon is a mix of human, trilobite and engineer, because it's from the trilobite, which is shaw's baby, impregnating an engineer. And Scott has said in multiple interviews that the Derelict from Alien is already crashed on LV-426 by the time of Prometheus and has been for a few thousand years. Addiitionally, the murals and wall relief in the ampule chamber depict facehuggers and xenomorphs. Ergo: the facehuggers and xenomorphs already existed at least 2000 years ago and the Trilobite/Deacon are
not their precursors.
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 08:51:49 PM
Quote from: Aceburster on Jun 19, 2012, 08:42:18 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:26:57 PM
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
So there you go, its officially confirmed the trilobite is an early facehugger and the deacon is a precursor to the alien
No? That's completely contradictory to everything Ridley Scott has said in interviews.
There are pages on Deacon saying how its a creature that will eventually end up evolving into Giger alien of the first film. Then on different pages it explains that the alien is a creature/result of mixing dna of a human, triobyte and engineer
Wait so if Deacon is a random mix of stuff that will eventually turn into Gigers Alien then... anything that stuff touches will eventually turn into Gigers Alien?
The art book explains that the Deacon is a mix of human, trilobite and engineer, because it's from the trilobite, which is shaw's baby, impregnating an engineer. And Scott has said in multiple interviews that the Derelict from Alien is already crashed on LV-426 by the time of Prometheus and has been for a few thousand years. Addiitionally, the murals and wall relief in the ampule chamber depict facehuggers and xenomorphs. Ergo: the facehuggers and xenomorphs already existed at least 2000 years ago and the Trilobite/Deacon are not their precursors.
Thank you!
People listen to this guy.
Some of the stuff that never made it in to the final film looks awsome i hope we get some of it put back in for the DC cut of Prometheus.
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I like how the back of his head is turning pointy very Alien ish indeed.
I think the body on the alternate Fifield monster looks nice and menacing but the face/head looks like a horribly conventional grey alien. The more I see of the alternate version the less I like it. At least by showing him earlier in his mutation it leaves more to the imagination and doesn't seem to represent something that mixes up the alien metaphor even more (knuckle walking like a gorilla? What the hell?). That face is not as threatening. I do think the concept sculpts for this version were a bit better and more original while feeling more of a tie to the alien.
Ultimately I think Ridley's instinct to go in-camera is always better. It's always more believable.
Quote from: Jenga on Jun 19, 2012, 09:31:11 PM
I think the body on the alternate Fifield monster looks nice and menacing but the face/head looks like a horribly conventional grey alien. The more I see of the alternate version the less I like it. At least by showing him earlier in his mutation it leaves more to the imagination and doesn't seem to represent something that mixes up the alien metaphor even more (knuckle walking like a gorilla? What the hell?). That face is not as threatening. I do think the concept sculpts for this version were a bit better and more original while feeling more of a tie to the alien.
Ultimately I think Ridley's instinct to go in-camera is always better. It's always more believable.
i think in final lighting and effects, alien fifield would look much better than zombie one. still could do alot in camera too. that shot from trailer looked amazing, and long arm is more scary than zombie (so not original)
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
So there you go, its officially confirmed the trilobite is an early facehugger and the deacon is a precursor to the alien
Thankfully its confirmed now that its a precursor to the alien.
Quote from: LarsVader on Jun 19, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jun 19, 2012, 08:11:35 PM
Quote from: Bad Replicant on Jun 19, 2012, 07:53:17 PM
Looks to me like it could be an actual CGfield they cooked up for an alternate version of the scene. It does say that Weta developed a digital version that walked around on its knuckles and shiz (whilst demanding money and marijuana, I imagine), until Ridley opted to use mostly in-camera stuff.
looks like a shop to me. I can tell from the pixels, and because I've seen quite a few greedy stoned mutant geologists in my time. maybe test footage. either way, doesn't look totally finished.
not the head design I would have used, but apparently Ridley never got the resume I faxed him?.
Are you sure?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft253%2FLarsVader%2FImage15.jpg&hash=3644c5beffc1fb09b94054f272dfc8a69f0180df)
And the rise in the numbers of present Engineers is getting ridiculous:
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What's wrong on the number of engineers at the beginning? Now it makes more sense that there was more than one of them when such big event as starting a life on earth was planning.
Quote from: n00b133 on Jun 19, 2012, 10:14:01 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
So there you go, its officially confirmed the trilobite is an early facehugger and the deacon is a precursor to the alien
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 19, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
Thankfully its confirmed now that its a precursor to the alien.
Again, for those who didn't to read through the thread:
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 08:51:49 PM
The art book explains that the Deacon is a mix of human, trilobite and engineer, because it's from the trilobite, which is shaw's baby, impregnating an engineer. And Scott has said in multiple interviews that the Derelict from Alien is already crashed on LV-426 by the time of Prometheus and has been for a few thousand years. Addiitionally, the murals and wall relief in the ampule chamber depict facehuggers and xenomorphs. Ergo: the facehuggers and xenomorphs already existed at least 2000 years ago and the Trilobite/Deacon are not their precursors.
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 10:20:40 PM
Quote from: n00b133 on Jun 19, 2012, 10:14:01 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
So there you go, its officially confirmed the trilobite is an early facehugger and the deacon is a precursor to the alien
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 19, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
Thankfully its confirmed now that its a precursor to the alien.
Again, for those who didn't to read through the thread:
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 08:51:49 PM
The art book explains that the Deacon is a mix of human, trilobite and engineer, because it's from the trilobite, which is shaw's baby, impregnating an engineer. And Scott has said in multiple interviews that the Derelict from Alien is already crashed on LV-426 by the time of Prometheus and has been for a few thousand years. Addiitionally, the murals and wall relief in the ampule chamber depict facehuggers and xenomorphs. Ergo: the facehuggers and xenomorphs already existed at least 2000 years ago and the Trilobite/Deacon are not their precursors.
So on LV426 the derelict IS fossilized and deacon CAN NOT be precursor to alien/xenomorph. It is something new, but to me it looks like a backwards evolution.
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Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 10:20:40 PM
Quote from: n00b133 on Jun 19, 2012, 10:14:01 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
So there you go, its officially confirmed the trilobite is an early facehugger and the deacon is a precursor to the alien
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 19, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
Thankfully its confirmed now that its a precursor to the alien.
Again, for those who didn't to read through the thread:
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 08:51:49 PM
The art book explains that the Deacon is a mix of human, trilobite and engineer, because it's from the trilobite, which is shaw's baby, impregnating an engineer. And Scott has said in multiple interviews that the Derelict from Alien is already crashed on LV-426 by the time of Prometheus and has been for a few thousand years. Addiitionally, the murals and wall relief in the ampule chamber depict facehuggers and xenomorphs. Ergo: the facehuggers and xenomorphs already existed at least 2000 years ago and the Trilobite/Deacon are not their precursors.
Re-Read page 28. "The film makers named the newborn entity the "Deacon" and designed the creature to suggest an evolutionary step toward the adult form of Giger's alien"
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 19, 2012, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 10:20:40 PM
Quote from: n00b133 on Jun 19, 2012, 10:14:01 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
So there you go, its officially confirmed the trilobite is an early facehugger and the deacon is a precursor to the alien
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 19, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
Thankfully its confirmed now that its a precursor to the alien.
Again, for those who didn't to read through the thread:
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 08:51:49 PM
The art book explains that the Deacon is a mix of human, trilobite and engineer, because it's from the trilobite, which is shaw's baby, impregnating an engineer. And Scott has said in multiple interviews that the Derelict from Alien is already crashed on LV-426 by the time of Prometheus and has been for a few thousand years. Addiitionally, the murals and wall relief in the ampule chamber depict facehuggers and xenomorphs. Ergo: the facehuggers and xenomorphs already existed at least 2000 years ago and the Trilobite/Deacon are not their precursors.
Re-Read page 28. "The film makers named the newborn entity the "Deacon" and designed the creature to suggest an evolutionary step toward the adult form of Giger's alien"
So you're going with second hand info from a magazine as opposed to Scott himself saying otherwise in an interview and the people who designed and built the Deacon saying otherwise in the official art of the film book?
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 19, 2012, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 10:20:40 PM
Quote from: n00b133 on Jun 19, 2012, 10:14:01 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 19, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
So there you go, its officially confirmed the trilobite is an early facehugger and the deacon is a precursor to the alien
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 19, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
Thankfully its confirmed now that its a precursor to the alien.
Again, for those who didn't to read through the thread:
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 08:51:49 PM
The art book explains that the Deacon is a mix of human, trilobite and engineer, because it's from the trilobite, which is shaw's baby, impregnating an engineer. And Scott has said in multiple interviews that the Derelict from Alien is already crashed on LV-426 by the time of Prometheus and has been for a few thousand years. Addiitionally, the murals and wall relief in the ampule chamber depict facehuggers and xenomorphs. Ergo: the facehuggers and xenomorphs already existed at least 2000 years ago and the Trilobite/Deacon are not their precursors.
Re-Read page 28. "The film makers named the newborn entity the "Deacon" and designed the creature to suggest an evolutionary step toward the adult form of Giger's alien"
And that's in contrast with the derelict on LV426...Is there any official statement on what is the age of derelict on LV426...And it slightly collide with Alien. Nostromo pick up signal from LV426, but there is another moon LV223 and they doesn;t go there??? Especially when humans allready know that a ship was sent there (and costed a trillion dollars)...
QuoteSo you're going with second hand info from a magazine as opposed to Scott himself saying otherwise in an interview and the people who designed and built the Deacon saying otherwise in the official art of the film book?
I'm waiting for Scott to come out and deny it. The magazine obviously interviewed and talked to staff to get all the stuff it presented.
I doubt the creature designers would mess up that bad and mix up what the Deacon is. That...or the entire magazine is wrong.
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 19, 2012, 10:34:39 PM
QuoteSo you're going with second hand info from a magazine as opposed to Scott himself saying otherwise in an interview and the people who designed and built the Deacon saying otherwise in the official art of the film book?
I'm waiting for Scott to come out and deny it. The magazine obviously interviewed and talked to staff to get all the stuff it presented.
I doubt the creature designers would mess up that bad and mix up what the Deacon is. That...or the entire magazine is wrong.
So wroong :)
If its not wrong we might have more than one Space Jesus on our hands. I hope its wrong.
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 19, 2012, 10:34:39 PM
QuoteSo you're going with second hand info from a magazine as opposed to Scott himself saying otherwise in an interview and the people who designed and built the Deacon saying otherwise in the official art of the film book?
I'm waiting for Scott to come out and deny it. The magazine obviously interviewed and talked to staff to get all the stuff it presented.
I doubt the creature designers would mess up that bad and mix up what the Deacon is. That...or the entire magazine is wrong.
I'm guessing the magazine misunderstood the information being presented to them, given the amount of interviews and official material that contradicts what is said in this article.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Jun 19, 2012, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: LarsVader on Jun 19, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jun 19, 2012, 08:11:35 PM
Quote from: Bad Replicant on Jun 19, 2012, 07:53:17 PM
Looks to me like it could be an actual CGfield they cooked up for an alternate version of the scene. It does say that Weta developed a digital version that walked around on its knuckles and shiz (whilst demanding money and marijuana, I imagine), until Ridley opted to use mostly in-camera stuff.
looks like a shop to me. I can tell from the pixels, and because I've seen quite a few greedy stoned mutant geologists in my time. maybe test footage. either way, doesn't look totally finished.
not the head design I would have used, but apparently Ridley never got the resume I faxed him?.
Are you sure?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft253%2FLarsVader%2FImage15.jpg&hash=3644c5beffc1fb09b94054f272dfc8a69f0180df)
And the rise in the numbers of present Engineers is getting ridiculous:
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What's wrong on the number of engineers at the beginning? Now it makes more sense that there was more than one of them when such big event as starting a life on earth was planning.
Nothing's wrong with the number.
It's just that with each days news there are more of them.
I expect a picture of a stadium full of Engineers by tomorrow. ;)
Quote from: LarsVader on Jun 19, 2012, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Jun 19, 2012, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: LarsVader on Jun 19, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jun 19, 2012, 08:11:35 PM
Quote from: Bad Replicant on Jun 19, 2012, 07:53:17 PM
Looks to me like it could be an actual CGfield they cooked up for an alternate version of the scene. It does say that Weta developed a digital version that walked around on its knuckles and shiz (whilst demanding money and marijuana, I imagine), until Ridley opted to use mostly in-camera stuff.
looks like a shop to me. I can tell from the pixels, and because I've seen quite a few greedy stoned mutant geologists in my time. maybe test footage. either way, doesn't look totally finished.
not the head design I would have used, but apparently Ridley never got the resume I faxed him?.
Are you sure?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft253%2FLarsVader%2FImage15.jpg&hash=3644c5beffc1fb09b94054f272dfc8a69f0180df)
And the rise in the numbers of present Engineers is getting ridiculous:
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What's wrong on the number of engineers at the beginning? Now it makes more sense that there was more than one of them when such big event as starting a life on earth was planning.
Nothing's wrong with the number.
It's just that with each days news there are more of them.
I expect a picture of a stadium full of Engineers by tomorrow. ;)
Ok,. but maybe we will finally hear them speak. As I remember they doesn;t say a word in a whole movie. And I have a feeling that they wouldn't sound like the warning from Alien.
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 19, 2012, 10:34:39 PM
QuoteSo you're going with second hand info from a magazine as opposed to Scott himself saying otherwise in an interview and the people who designed and built the Deacon saying otherwise in the official art of the film book?
I'm waiting for Scott to come out and deny it. The magazine obviously interviewed and talked to staff to get all the stuff it presented.
I doubt the creature designers would mess up that bad and mix up what the Deacon is. That...or the entire magazine is wrong.
I'm guessing the magazine misunderstood the information being presented to them, given the amount of interviews and official material that contradicts what is said in this article.
Until there is official confirmation it can go either way. As its one big interview itself.
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 19, 2012, 10:44:27 PM
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jun 19, 2012, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 19, 2012, 10:34:39 PM
QuoteSo you're going with second hand info from a magazine as opposed to Scott himself saying otherwise in an interview and the people who designed and built the Deacon saying otherwise in the official art of the film book?
I'm waiting for Scott to come out and deny it. The magazine obviously interviewed and talked to staff to get all the stuff it presented.
I doubt the creature designers would mess up that bad and mix up what the Deacon is. That...or the entire magazine is wrong.
I'm guessing the magazine misunderstood the information being presented to them, given the amount of interviews and official material that contradicts what is said in this article.
Until there is official confirmation it can go either way. As its one big interview itself.
from this article: http://screenrant.com/prometheus-alien-connection-benk-176223/all/1/ (http://screenrant.com/prometheus-alien-connection-benk-176223/all/1/)
Quote from: Ridley ScottScott: For all intents and purposes this is very loosely a prequel, very, and then you say "But how did that ship evolve into the first Alien?" Then I would say "Actually he's one of the group that had gone off and his cargo had gotten out of control," because he was heading somewhere else and it got out of control and actually he had died in the process and that would be the story there. That ship happened to be a brother to the ship that you see that comes out of the ground at the end. They are roughly of the same period give or take a couple hundred years, right?
So the Derelict crashed on LV-426 a couple thousand years ago, give or take a couple hundred years. Aliens already existed before the Deacon, as evidenced by the murals in the pyramid within the film itself. This quote from Scott just verifies it.
Yea but hes also said that the Derelict is the Juggernauts brother ship. If it had the same stuff then the Derelict incident could have produced a Deacon type alien that ultimately created a real Alien.
Wow.
Looks like an incredible amount of craftsmanship went into the digital mutant Fifield. I'm curious if the practical effects and the CGI evolved in parallel and it was just a matter of what Ridley liked better ... or if one was developed first, and they quickly re-developed the concept to better serve the story/pacing.
It's kinda cool from from the symbolic stand point of the practical effects being more 'cave man' like and CGI being more 'evolved human' (aka grey-esque)
I hope that CGI character has wonderfully animated facial features and set of teeth like a shark.
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On the subject of the Deacon being the precursor to the Alien we saw in 'Alien': Impossible. And it's painfully obvious as to why and many of you have already explained quite well how it works.
The magazine explains the evolution of the Deacon in terms of it's concept. Not it's story heritage.
I really like both alternate Fifield designs we've seen, and I think I would've personally preferred the one shown in Cinefex - but I can also see why they didn't pull the trigger on either. Both (the other being the "frowny face" model we've seen, which was utterly alien, not human at all) risked being laughed at by a post-mod audience as being sort of "evil E.T." I would've done it with this one, but I was fine with the monster we got. I just wish they'd run the scene a bit longer.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Jun 19, 2012, 11:03:53 PM
Looks like an incredible amount of craftsmanship went into the digital mutant Fifield. I'm curious if the practical effects and the CGI evolved in parallel and it was just a matter of what Ridley liked better ...
It does seem like that could've been how it went down. Very interesting. Fingers crossed for the True Hollywood Story of CGIfield in the blu-ray extras.
Quote from: Bad Replicant on Jun 19, 2012, 11:22:26 PM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Jun 19, 2012, 11:03:53 PM
Looks like an incredible amount of craftsmanship went into the digital mutant Fifield. I'm curious if the practical effects and the CGI evolved in parallel and it was just a matter of what Ridley liked better ...
It does seem like that could've been how it went down. Very interesting. Fingers crossed for the True Hollywood Story of CGIfield in the blu-ray extras.
Ridley
loves to talk and he doesn't mince words. I'm confident will get the skinny and a few colorful Ridley-isms along the way.
Imagine how the pacing would feel if we didn't get Fifield's attack until Weyland and co were leaving for their trip to see the Engineer. I liked the way the scene plays right after the Med-Pod sequence ... barely lets you catch your breath! I would have liked the fight to have played out a little longer with some stalking/suspense and some jump scares.
Until what happened to the crashed derelict in Alien is explained onscreen, on film, and made official....I don't think you can take anything Ridley says as canon. It's fun to speculate and guess, but to me, until I see it fleshed out on film, we still don't know the story behind the derelict just yet.
As for the Aliens...based on the mural, they do exist before the Deacon is born. I'd say the Deacon is a new distant cousin of the original Xenomorphs, which we haven't seen yet. This is just a theory, but maybe the Aliens already exist. They were created by the engineers to wipe out planets. BUT....what if they were designed to be asexual and couldn't breed? That way, they can kill off entire planets then eventually all die off themselves. The engineers then started f**king with their DNA, reverse engineering them, and making a way for this black goo to turn any living being into a Xenomorph--think of the concept taken from William Gibson's unused script for Alien 3 (where the Alien DNA goes airborne, infects people and turns them into Aliens). What the engineers never anticipated is what would happen when the Alien DNA/black goo encountered a female human being for the first time. We all know that the Aliens take on certain characteristics of their hosts (ie: the dog Alien from Alien3). Well, when Holloway got infected, maybe his now alien-human sperm got Shaw pregnant and implaneted a xeno-embryo of some sort. That embryo latches on to Shaw and is basically introduced to the human reproductive system for the first time, that embryo of course starts taking on those attributes (like the Queen in Resurrection) and Shaw gives birth to the first proto-Facehugger, giving the Xenomorphs the ability to breed. The Alien DNA strain now has the ability to pro-create. So maybe the Deacon will end up becoming a Queen and eventually evolving into the breed of Aliens fromthe first film. Maybe tthe events in Prometheus mark the beginning of the new Alien lifecycle.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Jun 19, 2012, 11:54:25 PM
Quote from: Bad Replicant on Jun 19, 2012, 11:22:26 PM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Jun 19, 2012, 11:03:53 PM
Looks like an incredible amount of craftsmanship went into the digital mutant Fifield. I'm curious if the practical effects and the CGI evolved in parallel and it was just a matter of what Ridley liked better ...
It does seem like that could've been how it went down. Very interesting. Fingers crossed for the True Hollywood Story of CGIfield in the blu-ray extras.
Ridley loves to talk and he doesn't mince words. I'm confident will get the skinny and a few colorful Ridley-isms along the way.
Imagine how the pacing would feel if we didn't get Fifield's attack until Weyland and co were leaving for their trip to see the Engineer. I liked the way the scene plays right after the Med-Pod sequence ... barely lets you catch your breath! I would have liked the fight to have played out a little longer with some stalking/suspense and some jump scares.
Couldn't agree more on the length. I also wonder how some further horrific mutation during the scene might've played; would've been cool to see him changing as he was jackin' mechanics and mercenaries. Really though, I just wish it was a little longer. Thirty seconds more could go a long way.
If they do an extended cut, I dunno how likely they'll do an entire recut of the Fifeld attack sequence because that was a mess...are they usually ok with recutting entire film segments just for a "special edition"? :-\
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 20, 2012, 12:47:46 AM
If they do an extended cut, I dunno how likely they'll do an entire recut of the Fifeld attack sequence because that was a mess...are they usually ok with recutting entire film segments just for a "special edition"? :-\
Well, Alien 3 kinda springs to mind. Granted, that was the product of a situation which was just...
all kinds of messed up.
But yeah... even if there's some kind of extended version of Prometheus on the horizon, Ridley seems happy enough with this cut that I wouldn't expect any major rejiggering of existing scenes. (That's not to say we won't be getting 223 hours of additional Fifield material in the bonus menu... 'cause, y'know, that's what the kids are in to these days.)
Quote from: The Hyena on Jun 19, 2012, 10:34:39 PM
QuoteSo you're going with second hand info from a magazine as opposed to Scott himself saying otherwise in an interview and the people who designed and built the Deacon saying otherwise in the official art of the film book?
I'm waiting for Scott to come out and deny it. The magazine obviously interviewed and talked to staff to get all the stuff it presented.
Scott wouldve surely denied connection to the alien when magazine was gathering info about the Deacon. Plus, its not like its just the magazines statement. Deacons designer, Neal Scanlan says "It represented the beginning of Gigers Alien". Add to it flat out statement that it is a proto allien and what trylobite is and there you go. Scotts statements about derelict in Alien already being in place were taken before the movie was coming out, when they were all playing the game that they admitted to, meaning denying any connections to Alien and making people wonder
I hope the blu ray has a 2 hour documentary of new stuff and not just a collection of everything we've seen before....
The Deacon could easily be a proto-alien, but that doesn't mean that this is the first one (the mural is proof that they were around already). Maybe the Engineers perfected the Aliens thousands of years ago, and a ship containing Alien eggs crashed on LV-426 at some point after that. Then, come the time of Prometheus, when the black goo did whatever it did, it recreated an early version of the facehugger, thus inevitably leading to the birth of an early, outdated version of the Alien.
I do like the cutting in the Fifield attack, actually, intercut with Shaw staggering about. I think it works and I can see why they did it; there are a few very, very elegant juxtaposed cuts in there. I also think it gives them enough room to do the scene with Shaw and Janek a bit more organically. But I'd be very curious to see where and how it originally played.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 20, 2012, 03:02:26 AM
The Deacon could easily be a proto-alien, but that doesn't mean that this is the first one (the mural is proof that they were around already).
I dont think the mural is more than it actually is - an homage to Giger with easter eggs
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 20, 2012, 03:10:09 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 20, 2012, 03:02:26 AM
The Deacon could easily be a proto-alien, but that doesn't mean that this is the first one (the mural is proof that they were around already).
I dont think the mural is more than it actually is - an homage to Giger with easter eggs
The mural Its definitely a Giger homage, but there is no denying that the Alien in the middle was intended to look like the Deacon. It has the pointed head, no tail...
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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 20, 2012, 02:59:40 AM
I hope the blu ray has a 2 hour documentary of new stuff and not just a collection of everything we've seen before....
Same but I don't think they going to reveal everything since if they are doing a sequel. Definitely they are going to have a hard time trying to keep tap on a lot of information until and if a sequel will be made.
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on Jun 20, 2012, 03:23:22 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 20, 2012, 02:59:40 AM
I hope the blu ray has a 2 hour documentary of new stuff and not just a collection of everything we've seen before....
Same but I don't think they going to reveal everything since if they are doing a sequel. Definitely they are going to have a hard time trying to keep tap on a lot of information until and if a sequel will be made.
I think he meant behind the scenes stuff; visual effects, actors, pre and post production, that kind of stuff. Not specifically story details.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 20, 2012, 03:16:32 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 20, 2012, 03:10:09 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 20, 2012, 03:02:26 AM
The Deacon could easily be a proto-alien, but that doesn't mean that this is the first one (the mural is proof that they were around already).
I dont think the mural is more than it actually is - an homage to Giger with easter eggs
The mural Its definitely a Giger homage, but there is no denying that the Alien in the middle was intended to look like the Deacon. It has the pointed head, no tail...
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Go read the "art of the Film" book. The Deacon was pretty much the last thing they made, and the pretty much made it up as they went along after Ridley showed told them about the Goblin Shark. It was an after thought. They knew they wanted to do a chestburst scene at the end of the film for the fans, but they wanted the alien to look different. And they made it on the fly. The murals and relief were made beforehand and are based off of Giger designs. The only reason the wall relief and the Deacon look similar is because they are both based on the basic design of Giger's Alien. It's all in the book.
Pretty big coincidence then, considering they look exactly alike. Wish I could get the book myself, but $25 seems like a lot for a book of any kind, even if I did love the movie. Maybe I'll end up caving, though; what I've seen so far of it looks great.
Thanks for posting these. I don't see why there is some hate for the Proto-Xeno. I think he/she/queen? Looks really cool.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 20, 2012, 03:34:12 AM
Pretty big coincidence then, considering they look exactly alike. Wish I could get the book myself, but $25 seems like a lot for a book of any kind, even if I did love the movie. Maybe I'll end up caving, though; what I've seen so far of it looks great.
Perhaps when rolling up their sleeves for Deacon design they though they might use the alien on the mural that they designed
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 20, 2012, 03:25:03 AM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on Jun 20, 2012, 03:23:22 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 20, 2012, 02:59:40 AM
I hope the blu ray has a 2 hour documentary of new stuff and not just a collection of everything we've seen before....
Same but I don't think they going to reveal everything since if they are doing a sequel. Definitely they are going to have a hard time trying to keep tap on a lot of information until and if a sequel will be made.
I think he meant behind the scenes stuff; visual effects, actors, pre and post production, that kind of stuff. Not specifically story details.
But like I said they are going to have to be very careful what they leak out or say. I mean do they have everything laid down for the sequel and for this whole new world/story flesh out or are they still trying to figure out what exactly they want to do for the sequel? I mean you don't want Ridley to commentary in the Blu-ray and say things he might regret that will screw up the sequel if they haven't truly laid down the whole world of Prometheus storyline.
Well, he can say anything in the commentary and the change his mind when the next movie comes out. I recall him throwing around some Space Jockey ideas in Alien and conflict with what was in Prometheus.
But anyways, when Prometheus was still an Alien Prequel, it was intended to be two parts. I have a feeling some of that may have been carried over into Prometheus, given all of the questions it left open at the end. The original Alien Prequel was probably more of a cliffhanger ending since they were going to film back to back, but I bet some of the concept of the story still transitioned over into Prometheus.
I don't remember much of what Scott said about the jockey in all those commentaries and interviews really conflicting with Prometheus, though I may be forgetting something. The lines Janek has near the end with Shaw are almost verbatim Ridley, for many years. It was very satisfying for me to hear it on film, on the big screen, finally made canon and whole.
I'm not sure Spaihts's original straight-prequel script was quite so open-ended. According to Lindelof, the original ending in Spaihts's script has more of a 'Robinson Crusoe' feel versus the voyaging onward choice in the film. The distinct impression I get from that is that Shaw (originally "Watts" in Spaihts's script; the name was changed to avoid confusion with a studio exec) was originally slated to be marooned on LV-223 or 426.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 20, 2012, 03:40:37 AM
Perhaps when rolling up their sleeves for Deacon design they though they might use the alien on the mural that they designed
That's what I think too. Can't be just the product of a case.7
Just noticed the article has my fan-title for an Alien Prequel: 'Alien Genesis'. f**k!
I dont get whats so hard to understand. The "deacon" is before the alien was perfected. it looks the way it does cause it is outdated. It came from a jockey, that was sleeping for a LONG time. Mixed with human dna, its a freak accident mixed with an outdated biological mashup.
Quote from: Sexy Poot on Jun 20, 2012, 12:53:04 PM
I dont get whats so hard to understand. The "deacon" is before the alien was perfected. it looks the way it does cause it is outdated.
The alien linage (as we know it from Alien/Aliens/Alien3) was designed/perfected 2000 some odd years Before Deacon (B.D.)
The classic Alien DNA/look is actually a vintage mix.
The Giger Alien has a 2000 year old biology. The Deacon is a newer harvest.
I've been seeing this confusion a lot around the boards about the age differences and the "What came first: The Chicken, or the Egg" styled questions.
If you ask me ... I'd say the classic facehugger design was SPECIFICALLY created by the Engineers for humans. They are a tailor made biological weapon. The Bodyhugger or "Trilobite" as they call it in the art book, is a contaminated breed. A potentially more dangerous strain and more hideous to the Engineer since it is born out of the womb of it's own perceived failed creation.
Throw in there the implications of David's tinkering and the Deacon represents something incredibly sacrilegious to the Engineer. Life created by manufactured life by way of artificial life.
It
is Prometheus via Mary Shelly. The power of life ... out of control ... destroying it's creator.
Ian Malcolm was right.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Jun 20, 2012, 02:35:10 PM
Quote from: Sexy Poot on Jun 20, 2012, 12:53:04 PM
I dont get whats so hard to understand. The "deacon" is before the alien was perfected. it looks the way it does cause it is outdated.
The alien linage (as we know it from Alien/Aliens/Alien3) was designed/perfected 2000 some odd years Before Deacon (B.D.)
The classic Alien DNA/look is actually a vintage mix.
The Giger Alien has a 2000 year old biology. The Deacon is a newer harvest.
I've been seeing this confusion a lot around the boards about the age differences and the "What came first: The Chicken, or the Egg" styled questions.
If you ask me ... I'd say the classic facehugger design was SPECIFICALLY created by the Engineers for humans. They are a tailor made biological weapon. The Bodyhugger or "Trilobite" as they call it in the art book, is a contaminated breed. A potentially more dangerous strain and more hideous to the Engineer since it is born out of the womb of it's own perceived failed creation.
Throw in there the implications of David's tinkering and the Deacon represents something incredibly sacrilegious to the Engineer. Life created by manufactured life by way of artificial life.
It is Prometheus via Mary Shelly. The power of life ... out of control ... destroying it's creator.
Ian Malcolm was right.
Not gonna lie, I didn't think of it in layers like that until reading your post. I mean, I got that's what happened, but I didn't think of the importance of it... I really love the themes they have going on here, I need to see the movie again.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 20, 2012, 12:47:46 AM
If they do an extended cut, I dunno how likely they'll do an entire recut of the Fifeld attack sequence because that was a mess...are they usually ok with recutting entire film segments just for a "special edition"? :-\
The scene was probably recut and reworked to erase any trace of Weyland leaving the ship at that moment.
I susupect the originalcut tomake more sense.
Hope the original Fifield xeno like mutant willbe reinstated too...
Gosh annoying to have to wait again to see the real movie...
Quote from: NGR01 on Jun 20, 2012, 08:05:58 PM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 20, 2012, 12:47:46 AM
If they do an extended cut, I dunno how likely they'll do an entire recut of the Fifeld attack sequence because that was a mess...are they usually ok with recutting entire film segments just for a "special edition"? :-\
The scene was probably recut and reworked to erase any trace of Weyland leaving the ship at that moment.
I susupect the originalcut tomake more sense.
Hope the original Fifield xeno like mutant willbe reinstated too...
Gosh annoying to have to wait again to see the real movie...
And we have to wait a lot with this movie. I'm expecting another bunch of trailers for DVd/Bluray release.
The mural of interest is
not' the one shown above.
The mural everyone should be looking at is the one with two Alien hands wrapped around a hatched Alien egg, which has the familiar four open petals on top. This is
different and a
direct depiction of the Alien creatures we all know. The original egg and original creature design's hands.
Giger's came first.
The magazine's journalists can say what they like, but this is
on-screen evidence and, thus, must be considered canon if you want to link this back to the original movie continuity.
As for the Holloway picture, it's a very nice artistic depiction, but nothing revolutionary. As interesting as the various designs for Fifield's head were to look at, they're still not much different to the famous clone design's head which ADI made up for '
Alien Resurrection':
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More grey than orange/cream, but still very similar.
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Jun 20, 2012, 03:37:58 AM
Thanks for posting these. I don't see why there is some hate for the Proto-Xeno. I think he/she/queen? Looks really cool.
Not so much hatred as disappointment. It's because a lot of people, including myself, felt it had a look and animation very similar to what you'd have expected to see out of a 1980s B-movie. The reason it rubbed a lot of us up the wrong way is because it was clearly Ridley Scott's attempt to out-Alien the Alien, when they
had HR Giger on set, only to come up with what we saw.
It wouldn't have felt as cringe-worthy if it wasn't for knowing Giger was literally working on the same project, but he was.
All the more so, because Ridley Scott had been so widely quoted in publicity interviews for the film, trashing the original creature design. Which he's entitled to do, but it's like someone getting the chance to do a prequel to '
Back To The Future' and saying, "Nobody can make a DeLorean look like it can travel through time now - they're so out-dated!" Only to have their hero stumble across a time-travelling golf cart as the credits roll.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 21, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
The mural of interest is not' the one shown above.
The mural everyone should be looking at is the one with two Alien hands wrapped around a hatched Alien egg, which has the familiar four open petals on top. This is different and a direct depiction of the Alien creatures we all know. The original egg and original creature design's hands.
Giger's came first.
It's hard to believe anyone who actually watched the film even disputes this. We didn't even need to see Alien depictions in murals to know that Giger Aliens were of a 2000 ago strain. It's in the story. Many of the visual cues are throwing people off the scent of the true concept at work.
Further more, were the classic six fingered hands cradling the egg even recognizable on screen? I saw the film twice in theaters and didn't spot it. The 'crucified' alien being was front and center. (Looking more cocooned than crucified I might add.) Perhaps more symbolic of the Titan Prometheus than anything else in the film.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 21, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
As for the Holloway picture, it's a very nice artistic depiction, but nothing revolutionary. As interesting as the various designs for Fifield's head were to look at, they're still not much different to the famous clone design's head which ADI made up for 'Alien Resurrection':
There were lots of visual cues harkening back to the 4 Alien films and some I believe had to have been intentional. But in the case of the mutations, it feels more like different designers pulling from the same 'real life inspirations.' The same real world deformities that afflict people around the world. Birth defects, etc. Add in the most basic alien DNA and you're going to wide up with a very similar final product. Ridley just makes it look better on camera.
Did you mean to say Holloway? I only saw a picture of various Fifield creatures.
Yea I still have not seen this Alien Egg Mural. Must be hard to spot. Wish someone could post it.
Again, the guy who designed the deacon says its a precursor to Gigers alien not :just: some "silly magazine" as some claim
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 21, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
Again, the guy who designed the deacon says its a precursor to Gigers alien not :just: some "silly magazine" as some claim
That's nice. He was designing it for Ridley Scott, who says otherwise, and is backed up by, you know, the actual evidence from the film, which shows that Xenos existed at least a couple thousand years before the events of Prometheus.
The Egg via the Art of book.
Spoiler
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Comparison: Concept to On screen.
Spoiler
It might as well be holding a regulation NBA basketball, such as the vagueness.
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But ... it IS there.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 21, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
Again, the guy who designed the deacon says its a precursor to Gigers alien not :just: some "silly magazine" as some claim
A precursor in terms of conception and design. Not from a story stand point, obviously.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Jun 21, 2012, 05:02:47 PM
The Egg via the Art of book.
Spoiler
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Comparison: Concept to On screen.
Spoiler
It might as well be holding a regulation NBA basketball, such as the vagueness.
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But ... it IS there.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 21, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
Again, the guy who designed the deacon says its a precursor to Gigers alien not :just: some "silly magazine" as some claim
A precursor in terms of conception and design. Not from a story stand point, obviously.
"A beginning of Gigers Alien" were the exact words. Then Lindelofs quotes about one of the Prometheus creations going on to become what we see in Alien. Then Cinefex' statements. And again, lets not forget the fact Deacon was an afterthought designed way after the mural, so I wouldnt give the mural much thought as some kind of a direct connection to Deacons. It wouldve been silly. Deacon is a result of a baby of a human-hybrid and human baby impregnating Engineer. Those are the ingredients. I wonder how many of them they had thousands of years ago. The mural so far has been confirmed to be nothing more than an homage to Gigers work with easter eggs in it for Giger/Alien fans
Even if it was the first Alien, which I believe was the original intent, moving the film off LV-426, makes the Deacon just some random creature stranded on a dead planet. How can it have any connection to "Alien"? They screwed up by rewriting the script after Lindelof came on board. The end result makes no sense.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 21, 2012, 05:11:38 PM
"A beginning of Gigers Alien" were the exact words. Then Lindelofs quotes about one of the Prometheus creations going on to become what we see in Alien. Then Cinefex' statements. And again, lets not forget the fact Deacon was an afterthought designed way after the mural, so I wouldnt give the mural much thought as some kind of a direct connection to Deacons. It wouldve been silly. Deacon is a result of a baby of a human-hybrid and human baby impregnating Engineer. Those are the ingredients. I wonder how many of them they had thousands of years ago. The mural so far has been confirmed to be nothing more than an homage to Gigers work with easter eggs in it for Giger/Alien fans
"A beginning of Gigers Alien" can still be taken from a conceptual stand point. And Lindelofs quotes can be taken the same way in terms of theme. I agree wholeheartedly about the egg/mural part.
Considering the story goes through great lengths to tell us human and engineer DNA are a perfect match I doubt the creature would appear much different. Of course from a movie going experience I'd expect to see something like the Deacon but considerably larger with slightly different surface detail.
Quote from: AmazSpiderMan1 on Jun 21, 2012, 05:18:01 PM
Even if it was the first Alien, which I believe was the original intent, moving the film off LV-426, makes the Deacon just some random creature stranded on a dead planet. How can it have any connection to "Alien"? They screwed up by rewriting the script after Lindelof came on board. The end result makes no sense.
Yeah. You can see how it very well could have been LV426 in some earlier draft and the just nipped and tucked a few elements. But it doesn't change what we have now in the final film. It's obvious this is the aftermath of what happened 2000 years ago and lead to the derelict landing on LV426. The events in Prometheus are an off-shoot resulting in a new and separate strain of alien biology.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Jun 21, 2012, 05:32:05 PM
Yeah. You can see how it very well could have been LV426 in some earlier draft and the just nipped and tucked a few elements. But it doesn't change what we have now in the final film. It's obvious this is the aftermath of what happened 2000 years ago and lead to the derelict landing on LV426. The events in Prometheus are an off-shoot resulting in a new and separate strain of alien biology.
Absolutely, I dont see that theres any conflict, even if it wasnt the original plan to have this as an offshoot on a different planet rather than the original on lv426. As we don't currently have a direct explanation for what happened to the ship and jockey on lv426, the events in Prometheus - and the new alien at the end - cannot be a contradiction.
I just see it as a pre-cursor to the alien in some ways, perhaps the original alien also went through a similar stage? Or maybe its a completely different strain or sub species. I dont really think it matters at all. We may never even see it again, sequel or no. If we get a Ridley sequel, presumably it will take place somewhere else, following Shaw & D. Who knows what we will see.
I like that idea. We don't have to see the same things over and over.
I just don't see how those same events could be replicated, since they are so random, which is why I've seen people speculate that maybe the material in the jars has some connection to Xenos, since all of the creations coming from the ooze had varying similarities (snake looking like a fingerless facehugger, squid implanting embryos, etc). These are just fan fiction theories though to make sense of it all. Im more interested in how this movie turned out the way it did, and I honestly think rewriting the script was a big mistake because we got some amalgam. It's the story of the derelict, and the first Alien, only it's not the derelict, and assumingly not the first Alien. It's confusing newcomers and die hard fans alike.
Quote from: AmazSpiderMan1 on Jun 21, 2012, 07:00:43 PM
I just don't see how those same events could be replicated, since they are so random, which is why I've seen people speculate that maybe the material in the jars has some connection to Xenos, since all of the creations coming from the ooze had varying similarities (snake looking like a fingerless facehugger, squid implanting embryos, etc). These are just fan fiction theories though to make sense of it all. Im more interested in how this movie turned out the way it did, and I honestly think rewriting the script was a big mistake because we got some amalgam. It's the story of the derelict, and the first Alien, only it's not the derelict, and assumingly not the first Alien. It's confusing newcomers and die hard fans alike.
In terms of the jars having connection to xenos, I'm sure thats true. I suspect the idea we are supposed to take away is that the original '79 xeno was created by the same process which created the "deacon" alien. By that I mean black goo infection, we just don't know what elements of alien life and/or jockeys combined to create the classic xeno.
What we have seen here in Prometheus is just a different end result, because of different elements in the mix. Black goo plus Holloway plus Shaw plus Jockey. Who knows what life combined with the goo to create classic xeno?
Maybe we'll find out in a later film.
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