So yeah, as you've probably heard this level is not in the game, and having finished the single player campaign, I can confirm it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZHA58-_2Eg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZHA58-_2Eg#ws)
Specifically made to make the game look good. None of this happens at all in the game- doesn't look like this or play like this. This "demo" was purposely manufactured on a PC to sell it all.
This is clearly false advertising- incredible false advertising. Reminds me of the Predators trailer where they had all those lasers on Adrien Brody, only for that not to happen in the film, and Robert Rodriguez said they only showed that to pretty much sell the movie.
I also love how at 4:57 of the video, Randy says "Aliens can climb on the ceilings and the walls..it's all driven by sophisticated artificial intelligence". LOL.
This is really bottom-of-the-barrel- marketing from Gearbox. I didn't expect them to go this low.
Wonder if they can get in trouble for that, or if they can go 'alpha footage subject to change' and face no consequences.
https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/301286341998694400
Was looking at Gearbox's forums, and I'm rather appalled by this. Was everything shown to us at expositions truly a sham? What the f**k...
I'm sure at some point later it was mentioned in interviews that this was a cinematic experience put together for E3. Unfortunately I guess it may have disappointed/confused people who watched it. I remember mentioning it too back in 2011 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=40512.msg1203546#msg1203546).
Nope but I believe now that the lens flare were added in Post prod or simply removed (there are some that are still here but the one we've got are pretty low detailed).
Also, the video was color corrected.
Quote from: Slaine on Feb 12, 2013, 09:29:53 PM
So yeah, as you've probably heard this level is not in the game, and having finished the single player campaign, I can confirm it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZHA58-_2Eg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZHA58-_2Eg#ws)
Specifically made to make the game look good. None of this happens at all in the game- doesn't look like this or play like this. This "demo" was purposely manufactured on a PC to sell it all.
This is clearly false advertising- incredible false advertising. Reminds me of the Predators trailer where they had all those lasers on Adrien Brody, only for that not to happen in the film, and Robert Rodriguez said they only showed that to pretty much sell the movie.
I also love how at 4:57 of the video, Randy says "Aliens can climb on the ceilings and the walls..it's all driven by sophisticated artificial intelligence". LOL.
This is really bottom-of-the-barrel- marketing from Gearbox. I didn't expect them to go this low.
Quote from: Gate on Feb 13, 2013, 12:23:23 AM
https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/301286341998694400 (https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/301286341998694400)
Was looking at Gearbox's forums, and I'm rather appalled by this. Was everything shown to us at expositions truly a sham? What the f**k...
To get mad about this is so f**king stupid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_y3cbIV-Xg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_y3cbIV-Xg#)
I don't believe it's stupid to be mad when the marketing for a game doesn't remotely reflect the quality of the product you are purchasing.
Wow they really got screw over. I guess Sega is the one that step in and force changes to the game. You would think Sega would step up now since they shown improvement with their recent titles lately.
Albeit I haven't played the game myself to confirm what everybody is complaining about, but from what I can see...
Sega put this game on hold to finish production on AvP 2010, correct?
If that is the case, and from everything I have seen, why aren't they at least of equal quality?
Quote from: Gate on Feb 13, 2013, 12:48:14 AM
I don't believe it's stupid to be mad when the marketing for a game doesn't remotely reflect the quality of the product you are purchasing.
That has nothing to do with what I'm saying. What I am saying is that it;s stupid to be mad about a demo level that never showed up in the actual game. I provided a video of a similar thing with the Halo 2 demo that was shown at E3, another situation where a level never made it into the actual game. I don't remember anyone dying over it, don't see why anyone should for this game either.
Killzone 2 did something similar at E3 once and fans were furious about it.
I take the game for what it is and I liked it overall.
But that's probably because I love the movie so much that it made me look past the many shortcomings.
but at the demo shown here... This is what i was expecting and hoped for.
They get things right in the demo to win you over and not putting the same level of effort in the game...
...that's just a slap in the face.
This could have been so much better.
we must all band together and create a class action lawsuit and sue. Or else companies will always mislead the consumer.
I bought the game thinking it was a First Person but the alien is in the third person. they have ripped me, and many people off.
Quote from: piff on Feb 13, 2013, 01:57:09 AM
we must all band together and create a class action lawsuit and sue. Or else companies will always mislead the consumer.
I bought the game thinking it was a First Person but the alien is in the third person. they have ripped me, and many people off.
QuoteI bought the game thinking it was a First Person
Quotebut the alien is in the third person.
Quotethe alien
Quotealien
Quoteis in the third person.
Quotealien
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Now I'm not defending the game...but you're joking right? Did you not see the countless time it was said the Aliens would play in third person?
Quote from: Slaine on Feb 12, 2013, 09:29:53 PM
So yeah, as you've probably heard this level is not in the game, and having finished the single player campaign, I can confirm it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZHA58-_2Eg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZHA58-_2Eg#ws)
Specifically made to make the game look good. None of this happens at all in the game- doesn't look like this or play like this. This "demo" was purposely manufactured on a PC to sell it all.
This is clearly false advertising- incredible false advertising. Reminds me of the Predators trailer where they had all those lasers on Adrien Brody, only for that not to happen in the film, and Robert Rodriguez said they only showed that to pretty much sell the movie.
I also love how at 4:57 of the video, Randy says "Aliens can climb on the ceilings and the walls..it's all driven by sophisticated artificial intelligence". LOL.
This is really bottom-of-the-barrel- marketing from Gearbox. I didn't expect them to go this low.
This short demo had the colony setting, a Crusher, a Queen, a sentry gun and a powerloader all in a very short time frame. It's been obvious for some time that they were just showcasing some major elements in that clip.
It could also be something cut from the game and later resale as dlc $$$$$
It's not different than the Doom 3 E3 Alpha or the Half-Life 2 E3 Demonstrations.
The content was recycled and reused throughout those games. Either assets, sounds, bits of geometry, it's all in there, and i'm sure most of that demonstration is in the game in some fashion or another.
Quote from: Elicas on Feb 12, 2013, 10:09:26 PM
Wonder if they can get in trouble for that, or if they can go 'alpha footage subject to change' and face no consequences.
The latter unfortunately
Quote from: ShadowPred on Feb 13, 2013, 01:15:27 AM
Quote from: Gate on Feb 13, 2013, 12:48:14 AM
I don't believe it's stupid to be mad when the marketing for a game doesn't remotely reflect the quality of the product you are purchasing.
That has nothing to do with what I'm saying. What I am saying is that it;s stupid to be mad about a demo level that never showed up in the actual game. I provided a video of a similar thing with the Halo 2 demo that was shown at E3, another situation where a level never made it into the actual game. I don't remember anyone dying over it, don't see why anyone should for this game either.
Problem is, the A:CM demo was overall alot better than the final product we got, not the other way around.
Quote from: Guts on Feb 13, 2013, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Feb 13, 2013, 01:15:27 AM
Quote from: Gate on Feb 13, 2013, 12:48:14 AM
I don't believe it's stupid to be mad when the marketing for a game doesn't remotely reflect the quality of the product you are purchasing.
That has nothing to do with what I'm saying. What I am saying is that it;s stupid to be mad about a demo level that never showed up in the actual game. I provided a video of a similar thing with the Halo 2 demo that was shown at E3, another situation where a level never made it into the actual game. I don't remember anyone dying over it, don't see why anyone should for this game either.
Problem is with the A:CM demo is better than the final product not the other way around.
:( Yeah...yeah.
Quote from: Guts on Feb 13, 2013, 08:42:25 AM
Problem is with the A:CM demo is better than the final product not the other way around.
Dude has a point. But this sort of thing isn't exactly that uncommon either
Quote from: Guts on Feb 13, 2013, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Feb 13, 2013, 01:15:27 AM
Quote from: Gate on Feb 13, 2013, 12:48:14 AM
I don't believe it's stupid to be mad when the marketing for a game doesn't remotely reflect the quality of the product you are purchasing.
That has nothing to do with what I'm saying. What I am saying is that it;s stupid to be mad about a demo level that never showed up in the actual game. I provided a video of a similar thing with the Halo 2 demo that was shown at E3, another situation where a level never made it into the actual game. I don't remember anyone dying over it, don't see why anyone should for this game either.
Problem is with the A:CM demo is better than the final product not the other way around.
Yes, I understand that, but my point was that being mad because a level doesn't show up in the final product is not something that's worth anyone's time. It's happened before, and it'll happen again.
This is about as bad as Hammerpoint Interactive and their cover up with the war z's missing advertised mechanics and gameplay that's not actually in the game. I said it before and I'll say it again. There truly is no hope for video games.
Quote from: randy4321 on Feb 13, 2013, 10:59:35 AM
This is about as bad as Hammerpoint Interactive and their cover up with the war z's missing advertised mechanics and gameplay that's not actually in the game. I said it before and I'll say it again. There truly is no hope for video games.
Well, 343 is doing a great job with keeping my faith alive.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 13, 2013, 11:04:31 AM
Quote from: randy4321 on Feb 13, 2013, 10:59:35 AM
This is about as bad as Hammerpoint Interactive and their cover up with the war z's missing advertised mechanics and gameplay that's not actually in the game. I said it before and I'll say it again. There truly is no hope for video games.
Well, 343 is doing a great job with keeping my faith alive.
I'm just not going to get my hopes up or have very many expectations when it comes to future titles. I'll just be watching from afar to see what happens next.
So everyone would rather have the game rushed and cramed together? Don't you guys have enough to complain about already?
Quote from: Jango1201 on Feb 13, 2013, 11:23:45 AM
So everyone would rather have the game rushed and cramed together? Don't you guys have enough to complain about already?
Despite over 6 years, the consesus is that it's still rushed...What's your point?
It's a lie because the guys were acting, as if they were really playing the game. They were just mashing the non working buttons.
Game developers have done that time and time again over the years. Especially with trailers or teasers so far away from release. I remember the ones for MGS2 in particular showed an incredible amount of footage that never ended up in the game, some of it created deliberately to make it look like Snake was the main character (and keep Raiden a secret) and some of it was just cut from the game.
There was shots of Snake on a suspension bridge fighting a harrier, Snake on the tanker while Rex rampaged above him (on the deck of the ship which never happened), him running away from corridors exploding behind him and also from water crashing through the ship. Then they also inserted him into some scenes that in the actual game were Raiden.
I would have thought the "Work in Progress" disclaimer was a giveaway... ;)
05:00 Randy Pitchford says.
"Aliens can climb on the ceilings and wall,it's all driven by Sophisticated Artificial Intelligence" Spoiler
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This would have been a non-issue, had the game just lived up to the standard presented in the Demo.
I also think if Gearbox and certain employees hadn't blown the trumpet about this game so much, building it up into something they must have known it wasnt, then people wouldnt have expected a AAA title. I've just paid £40 for Dead Space 3 and it looks, plays and feels every inch an AAA title. And its quite a lengthy game too so I don't mind paying that much for it.
A: CM should have been £30 new at the most in comparison.
If this had released at £15-£25 brand new with them coming out and saying "We didn't have the cash to keep up with the real big guys, this is a A game, not AAA" I think they would have received maybe 60% across the board. I'm sure everyone docked them an extra 10-15% for disappointment and shitting on their customers by hyping the f**k out of this.
Not that this would change the fact it's still a f**king awful game.
Quote from: Jango1201 on Feb 13, 2013, 11:23:45 AM
So everyone would rather have the game rushed and cramed together?
LOLOLOL, as if the game isn't exactly this already.
I don't think this has been posted here, has it? Comparison between the Demo and Final game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGXDM3LGnk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGXDM3LGnk#ws)
Quote from: Dusk on Feb 13, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
I don't think this has been posted here, has it? Comparison between the Demo and Final game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws)
It's really shocking to be honest.
Quote from: ikarop on Feb 13, 2013, 12:32:02 AM
I'm sure at some point later it was mentioned in interviews that this was a cinematic experience put together for E3. Unfortunately I guess it may have disappointed/confused people who watched it. I remember mentioning it too back in 2011 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=40512.msg1203546#msg1203546).
Quote from: ShadowPred on Feb 13, 2013, 06:41:37 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Feb 13, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
I don't think this has been posted here, has it? Comparison between the Demo and Final game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws)
It's really shocking to be honest.
I think we see where the 'representation' was coming from; Selling the game.
Quote from: Dusk on Feb 13, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
I don't think this has been posted here, has it? Comparison between the Demo and Final game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws)
This game could have been so f**king good :'(
Could.
Quote from: Dusk on Feb 13, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
I don't think this has been posted here, has it? Comparison between the Demo and Final game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws)
Goddamn, this is just depressing to watch...
Quote from: Dusk on Feb 13, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
I don't think this has been posted here, has it? Comparison between the Demo and Final game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws)
Sega killed the game.
Saw this posted on gbx forums..
Hey aliens fans, don't worry. Me and my squad of ultimate badasses will deceive you! Check it out! Independently targeting smart gun gameplay mechanics!. Vwap! Fry half an xbox with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles in the e3 2011 demo, phase-plasma pulse rifles with skulls decals on the butt!, RPGs, we got sonic electronic ball breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks DLC content for $20!...
Whole thread with more aliens quotes http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=245280 (http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=245280)
That is bad but even funnier to me is that the 2006 preview of this game looks better than what we got.
All the images I could find.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpcmedia.gamespy.com%2Fpc%2Fimage%2Fobject%2F869%2F869260%2Faliens.jpg&hash=e877a009b1d86429e1006daa32e6684da496040a)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgallery.techarena.in%2Fdata%2F1%2FAliens-Colonial-Marines-Images.jpg&hash=95e7f32d0db9b9016caef7b1d08362a1464545e3)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.gamesradar.com%2Fimages%2Fmb%2F%2FGamesRadar%2Fus%2FGames%2FA%2FAliens%2520Colonial%2520Marines%2FBulk%2520Viewer%2FPS3_360_PC%2F2008-03-06%2Faliens-colonial-marines-13--screenshot.jpg&hash=7d1a049e388fdf2066e97558d16385e842274bd4)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.justpushstart.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F07%2FAliens-Colonial-Marines-Facehugger.jpg&hash=cfe04cc7b0a88d90cb9127ee7b6935d6702508ca)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.gamerant.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FAliens-Colonial-Marines-Sentry-Gun.jpg&hash=5fb9ae14e585fa6e82263930bc3fbde0e155b941)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv298%2FLXrDKhaXZ%2FAliens__Colonial_Marines_Pics_11.jpg%3Ft%3D1238506360&hash=ec4ad606f6736d39df41fde26aaec205786a1302)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.gamesradar.com%2Fimages%2Fmb%2F%2FGamesRadar%2Fus%2FGames%2FA%2FAliens%2520Colonial%2520Marines%2FBulk%2520Viewer%2FPS3_360_PC%2F2008-03-06%2Faliens-colonial-marines-14--screenshot_viewer_medium.jpg&hash=3c5606fa1e1d5bac182b72df4f5daf6a1f50bc04)
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-l036AK3b3Ug%2FUBKIotxCZII%2FAAAAAAAABOs%2FQdwXXURMQJI%2Fs640%2Faliens-colonial-marines-17.jpg&hash=2c18c9c73aff0cfbb96cdc93b80056bec65f528e)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bonefishgamer.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F06%2FAliens_Colonial_Marines_101-300x164.jpg&hash=2b5f3697e791f478491097c87214298ca8fd9082)
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It's a damn shame that game never happened.
This is beyond a joke, i hope gearbox closes down because of this sh*t.
Seriously, there isn't anything in the demo that isn't in the game already at one point or another. No, you never run away from the crusher, and a few other minor things are different, but all the assets are in the game, and most of the geometry is instantly recognizable from bits of the game here and there. Only a few bits are different... It's not DLC, or anything like that. It's just a demonstration. Just like the aforementioned Doom 3 E3 Presentation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28mn_fJlmbo# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28mn_fJlmbo#)
Quote from: Dusk on Feb 13, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
I don't think this has been posted here, has it? Comparison between the Demo and Final game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGXDM3LGnk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGXDM3LGnk#ws)
What the...why?
Quote from: Dusk on Feb 13, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
I don't think this has been posted here, has it? Comparison between the Demo and Final game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGXDM3LGnk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGXDM3LGnk#ws)
Holy crap I forgot all about that dynamic lighting Gearbox talked about...it looked really good in the demo. While I initially thought I preferred the smokey AP in the final game footage, there's more depth, fog, and atmosphere to the demo AP. It's a shame that, even with mehh graphics, the creepy lighting wasn't even in the final product.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 13, 2013, 10:46:29 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Feb 13, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
I don't think this has been posted here, has it? Comparison between the Demo and Final game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGXDM3LGnk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGXDM3LGnk#ws)
Holy crap I forgot all about that dynamic lighting Gearbox talked about...it looked really good in the demo. While I initially thought I preferred the smokey AP in the final game footage, there's more depth, fog, and atmosphere to the demo AP. It's a shame that, even with mehh graphics, the creepy lighting wasn't even in the final product.
Something that was promised to make this game unique.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Feb 13, 2013, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: Guts on Feb 13, 2013, 08:42:25 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Feb 13, 2013, 01:15:27 AM
Quote from: Gate on Feb 13, 2013, 12:48:14 AM
I don't believe it's stupid to be mad when the marketing for a game doesn't remotely reflect the quality of the product you are purchasing.
That has nothing to do with what I'm saying. What I am saying is that it;s stupid to be mad about a demo level that never showed up in the actual game. I provided a video of a similar thing with the Halo 2 demo that was shown at E3, another situation where a level never made it into the actual game. I don't remember anyone dying over it, don't see why anyone should for this game either.
Problem is with the A:CM demo is better than the final product not the other way around.
Yes, I understand that, but my point was that being mad because a level doesn't show up in the final product is not something that's worth anyone's time. It's happened before, and it'll happen again.
But the E3 Demo had more polish. I dunno, but after looking at all the reviews and whatnot for A:CM. I get the impression AVP3 seems awhole lot better then it did before A:CM lol
Quote from: alanwu1233 on Feb 13, 2013, 08:25:03 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Feb 13, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
I don't think this has been posted here, has it? Comparison between the Demo and Final game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws)
Sega killed the game.
Or was it Gearbox's poor managment of the project, it's farming out to Timegate, Demiurge and Nerve rather than focus on the game they were contracted to and make it themselves? Who knows. Did Sega even know about the outsourcing? Why didn't Gearbox devote themselves to the game they raved about for years and made so many grand promises for?
Quote from: Dusk on Feb 13, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
I don't think this has been posted here, has it? Comparison between the Demo and Final game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGXDM3LGnk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGXDM3LGnk#ws)
This confirms the game was butched. Its shocking, especially with the part on the broken light part, and the part with the marine cracking the glass. Shit is f**ked up. Atleast the quality of AVP3 was consistant through its development and didnt look like a completely different game.
Quote from: Guts on Feb 15, 2013, 11:02:54 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Feb 13, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
I don't think this has been posted here, has it? Comparison between the Demo and Final game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGXDM3LGnk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGXDM3LGnk#ws)
This confirms the game was butched. Its shocking, especially with the part on the broken light part, and the part with the marine cracking the glass. Shit is f**ked up. Atleast the quality of AVP3 was consistant through its development and didnt look like a completely different game.
Indeed.
I'ts quite depressing really, watching that early demo footage and seeing what could have been.
And at the end, Pitchford clearly refers to what we saw as being gameplay from 'Act 2'. None of this 'vertical slice' rubbish.
Its a shame because i was really looking forward to A:CM. Those early 2009 pictures reminded me of left 4 dead type gameplay, where you and three other marines had to suvive and complete the games objective. Wasn't their an article that said if one of the marines died then he would stay dead? Wasn't there articles explaining how you have to place turrets and traps, and seal doors to survive against the Aliens?
What happened to that kind of co-op focused game? Where even though you was a marine, suvival was still important. Plus the game visually looked alot better too
i never been so angry before with a game company for destroying a game i've always wanted since james cameron's aliens :-X
Dead Space 3 has better survival co-op than this shit
This article makes me wonder if it is "technically" possible to file a class-action lawsuit against GBX. That, or SEGA should apologize to the fans for this travesty and sue GBX themselves.
http://www.vgrevolution.com/2013/02/misleading-marketing-of-aliens-colonial-marines-worthy-of-a-lawsuit/ (http://www.vgrevolution.com/2013/02/misleading-marketing-of-aliens-colonial-marines-worthy-of-a-lawsuit/)
Gearbox needs to get their asses kicked regardless.
Technically, yes, yes you could file a lawsuit. I believe it was the QA Tester AMA who said the demo build for E3 was a separate in house engine that was never intended for release on this generation of console. That's false advertising.
Will it happen? Not a chance, they've got too much money for us the fans to take them to court, and any big time judge would likely side with them anyway over the whole "demo is not representative of final version" etc. etc. Corporations hardly ever lose to the normal guy on the street ;)
There'll never be any lawsuit. Like Elicas said, they've got deep pockets.
Their reputation (Sega and Gearbox - as well as Pitchford) will take a hammering. And gamers seem to have a long memories.
Sega's the one who might have a chance, if they're so inclined. They'd have access to more of the money trail.
If, however, that does occur, there's a chance that customers might be able to take legal action for false advertising, based on whatever evidence might be dug up in the process of Sega's attempt.
As it stands, I'm in agreement with Elicas. There'd be much hiding behind the 'not representative' warning, which is why you always see it shown.
Of course, years ago, I remember when the likes of Microsoft hid behind tiny legal print which absolved them of legal obligations if a disc was so much as opened of its packaging and used. The only way a consumer would be able to know if its was defective, of course. From what I remember, that was eventually struck down in court.
If Sega can prove Gearbox used a completely different animal for advertising and previews, versus what was actively being used for testing, then the latter could open themselves to the proverbial 'death of a thousand cuts' by whatever legal action is attempted after that by countless grumpy customers.
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2013, 12:31:40 AM
There'll never be any lawsuit. Like Elicas said, they've got deep pockets.
Their reputation (Sega and Gearbox - as well as Pitchford) will take a hammering. And gamers seem to have a long memories.
I could easily see a situation where SEGAs lawyers would be instructed not to fight any lawsuit, but to drag it out for as long as possible until the plaintiff dropped the case. Seriously, what's a hundred grand in legal fees to them if it stops them being sued for millions? Can't think many of us on this site could afford that sort of fight.
Quote from: Elicas on Feb 19, 2013, 01:00:25 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2013, 12:31:40 AM
There'll never be any lawsuit. Like Elicas said, they've got deep pockets.
Their reputation (Sega and Gearbox - as well as Pitchford) will take a hammering. And gamers seem to have a long memories.
I could easily see a situation where SEGAs lawyers would be instructed not to fight any lawsuit, but to drag it out for as long as possible until the plaintiff dropped the case. Seriously, what's a hundred grand in legal fees to them if it stops them being sued for millions? Can't think many of us on this site could afford that sort of fight.
But, can't SEGA sue Gearbox? What is all this talk about fans suing? I am not suing anybody. LOL. What gamer group would sue a company?
The best action to take is to boycot Gearbox and any future games they release. They can recover from a lawsuit around one product, but never giving them another cent will insure they never make back what they spend.
The fans aren't going to sue anybody. The article merely presented the grounds for which a case could be made for it. Technically, A:CM was falsely advertised and many consumers bought it under those false pretenses...and technically that is a violation of consumer rights that can be pursued legally.
SEGA's case is more realistic if they wanted to incur some of the money back that A:CM will not make on its own. If it is indeed true that some of SEGAs intended money for A:CM actually funded BL2, then SEGA should have a right to some of the profits for that game (as should FOX). I highly doubt that A:CM will make back its investment at this point so I don't see how SEGA wouldn't want to make back more than a few million dollars to help out its bottom line if this turns out to be the case.
If I were SEGA, I'd be would've had my lawyers sniffing around to verify this suspicion yesterday.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Feb 19, 2013, 03:13:51 AM
The fans aren't going to sue anybody. The article merely presented the grounds for which a case could be made for it. Technically, A:CM was falsely advertised and many consumers bought it under those false pretenses...and technically that is a violation of consumer rights that can be pursued legally.
SEGA's case is more realistic if they wanted to incur some of the money back that A:CM will not make on its own. If it is indeed true that some of SEGAs intended money for A:CM actually funded BL2, then SEGA should have a right to some of the profits for that game (as should FOX). I highly doubt that A:CM will make back its investment at this point so I don't see how SEGA wouldn't want to make back more than a few million dollars to help out its bottom line if this turns out to be the case.
If I were SEGA, I'd be would've had my lawyers sniffing around to verify this suspicion yesterday.
SEGA needs to do something whether or not GBX may or may not have embezzled funds and used them on BL2. This is NOT a game that was given proper treatment with not only a large budget, but a HUGE time frame to get the game out.
Suing them wouldn't give us a better game so...
Quote from: GET TO THE CHOPPA! on Feb 19, 2013, 04:45:23 AM
Suing them wouldn't give us a better game so...
That's not the point, besides...no one would want another Aliens game from them anyway.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Feb 19, 2013, 05:12:40 AM
Quote from: GET TO THE CHOPPA! on Feb 19, 2013, 04:45:23 AM
Suing them wouldn't give us a better game so...
That's not the point, besides...no one would want another Aliens game from them anyway.
...Good point. In that case someone sue the bastards!!
Quote from: GET TO THE CHOPPA! on Feb 19, 2013, 04:45:23 AM
Suing them wouldn't give us a better game so...
Not the point. It would show that SEGA has some remorse for what happened. Also, I would think winning a potential lawsuit may mean SEGA can force GBX to keep supporting the game.
If GBX f**ked SEGA over, SEGA won't give a flying f**k over the possible lawsuit for Gearbox and that would SO satisfy me...
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Feb 19, 2013, 07:17:49 AM
If GBX f**ked SEGA over, SEGA won't give a flying f**k over the possible lawsuit for Gearbox and that would SO satisfy me...
Either I am reading that wrong or I don't get it...
I mean if there was some activity from Gearbox that harmed SEGA in the process of making the game, then SEGA would probably not try to protect Gearbox and allow the lawsuit to happen. That's all.
For all ACM supporters out there, who are convinced that the game isn't that bad...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1orK2qj_9k#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1orK2qj_9k#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5Uj4XIT1Y#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5Uj4XIT1Y#ws)
Quote from: PRI. HUDSON on Feb 19, 2013, 07:12:08 AM
Quote from: GET TO THE CHOPPA! on Feb 19, 2013, 04:45:23 AM
Suing them wouldn't give us a better game so...
Not the point. It would show that SEGA has some remorse for what happened. Also, I would think winning a potential lawsuit may mean SEGA can force GBX to keep supporting the game.
Yeah, but I doubt that would be good either. I'd also question the quality of any DLC that is forced by court order. I'd just be happy to see SEGA bury GBX over this and publish a new Aliens-based fps with a new developer. Hell, they could even make the legal process part of thr advertising campaign to show fans how dedicated they are to delivering the proper game. It would work for me.
I honestly think SEGA will take some kind of legal action. Someone should tweet this on Pitchfraud's page and see if he ignores or deletes it. This is f**king disgraceful. He scammed us. All of us.
Ya know, I just watched those videos and in the 2nd one the dude shows a pic of the SHARP gun. It has a blue laser pointer... we didnt even get that : / EDIT: Nope, just some design in the picture lol. you win this round Randy.
Quote from: PRI. HUDSON on Feb 19, 2013, 11:27:49 AM
I honestly think SEGA will take some kind of legal action. Someone should tweet this on Pitchfraud's page and see if he ignores or deletes it. This is f**king disgraceful. He scammed us. All of us.
He'll ignore it, just like the rest of the negative comments.
Whatever happens, i am glad that it's making a big wave in the gaming industry. It has blown wide open a shameful practice that should be stopped immediately. And thanks to this whole A:CM debacle (sadly), I think it will. Even if nothing happens, the damage is already done and Gearbox's reputation has taken a massive hit. Which is potentially more serious than any court case because they've lost the support of the paying consumer. The future will not be as bright for them as before.
I'm not a huge gamer so I was very annoyed and angry that such a thing could happen. But I am amazed that I found out only recently that this kind of thing has already happened with games before, with the Killzone 2 demo, the Halo 2 demo, The War Z, and..Gearbox at it again with Duke Nukem Forever.
This has to end, and if there's any positive outcome out of A:CM's failure, it's stopping BS like this for good. They just went too far.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Feb 18, 2013, 11:50:24 PM
This article makes me wonder if it is "technically" possible to file a class-action lawsuit against GBX. That, or SEGA should apologize to the fans for this travesty and sue GBX themselves.
http://www.vgrevolution.com/2013/02/misleading-marketing-of-aliens-colonial-marines-worthy-of-a-lawsuit/ (http://www.vgrevolution.com/2013/02/misleading-marketing-of-aliens-colonial-marines-worthy-of-a-lawsuit/)
There will never be a lawsuit. Games still selling. GBX fulfilled Sega with a game that sells and that all there is to it. Would take too long to properly explain this.
Im suing Randy for back owed child support. He impregnated me with a sh!tty Baby Alien
You are a consenting young adult. You knew -:exactly:- what you were doing.
Especially with the way he was dressed. He was practically asking for it.
Eh. I completely understand the hate, and I was underwhelmed as well, but it seems kinda mean spirited to piss all over the people who do enjoy the game on some unintellectual level.
If nothing else, be envious of the people who aren't pissed they tossed 50+ bucks at the game :P
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Feb 20, 2013, 12:14:06 AM
Eh. I completely understand the hate, and I was underwhelmed as well, but it seems kinda mean spirited to piss all over the people who do enjoy the game on some unintellectual level.
If nothing else, be envious of the people who aren't pissed they tossed 50+ bucks at the game :P
I'm merely raising awareness so that we, as consumers don't end up misled and lied to, trough false advertising. If you have the notion that I'm trolling than you haven't understood the message or I was unable to be more explicit.
I do not insult nor do I wish to provoke other people who don't share my opinion.
Quote from: Gren_86 on Feb 20, 2013, 02:24:53 AM
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Feb 20, 2013, 12:14:06 AM
Eh. I completely understand the hate, and I was underwhelmed as well, but it seems kinda mean spirited to piss all over the people who do enjoy the game on some unintellectual level.
If nothing else, be envious of the people who aren't pissed they tossed 50+ bucks at the game :P
I'm merely raising awareness so that we, as consumers don't end up misled and lied to, trough false advertising. If you have the notion that I'm trolling than you haven't understood the message or I was unable to be more explicit.
I do not insult nor do I wish to provoke other people who don't share my opinion.
Having just tired the multiplayer, I'm kinda cool with provoking people who like the game :V
Interesting news... There may have been yet another developer involved (still seeking some confirmation).
A trusted friend of mine says they've been in talks with someone who was involved in this title and he'll be pressing them for more details, but from what he can remember when speaking to them:
EDIT FOR UPDATE:- The person in question was involved in beta testing and fault-finding. They mentioned that the version they were given had always been downright terrible and noted that the animations were especially quite poor. They were sending back long lists of various problems being encountered.
- Gearbox ended up terminating the arrangement via stating they weren't getting "satisfactory reports" from them. This person claims that this was basically legal-speak and that the true reason was that Gearbox was getting so much negative feedback that they wanted an excuse not to fix the sheer volume of problems being reported back to them and steadily piling up.
Take from that what you will.
Again, right now, the above should be considered purely
speculative, but is, nonetheless, interesting.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 20, 2013, 03:50:50 AM
Interesting news... There may have been yet another developer involved (still seeking some confirmation).
A trusted friend of mine says they've been in talks with someone who was involved in this title and he'll be pressing them for more details, but from what he can remember when speaking to them:
EDIT FOR UPDATE:
- The person in question was involved in beta testing and fault-finding. They mentioned that the version they were given had always been downright terrible and noted that the animations were especially quite poor. They were sending back long lists of various problems being encountered.
- Gearbox ended up terminating the arrangement via stating they weren't getting "satisfactory reports" from them. This person claims that this was basically legal-speak and that the true reason was that Gearbox was getting so much negative feedback that they wanted an excuse not to fix the sheer volume of problems being reported back to them and steadily piling up.
Take from that what you will.
Again, right now, the above should be considered purely speculative, but is, nonetheless, interesting.
Depressingly interesting.
The thing about marketing is that almost every piece needs to be approved by all parties involved before it's released. From the top of my head I remember those dev diaries released last year (the ones with badass everywhere, glasses on/off, etc...). Those videos were filmed by a Sega crew at the GBX offices back in January 2012. Some devs were even asked to pretend to be working on stuff for game for these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo#ws)
:-\
Well if It wasent depression I was feeling before, I'm sure that's what im feeling now.
Quote from: Elicas on Feb 12, 2013, 10:09:26 PM
Wonder if they can get in trouble for that, or if they can go 'alpha footage subject to change' and face no consequences.
They can't, Elicas! The footage I saw showed a work-in-progress and it was verbally said by RANDY himself that this was a GAMEPLAY demo, which means that the final game would have to look AS or BETTER than the demo! So, yes, he could be prosecuted for false advertising... Now, there is a catch: closer to the release date, we saw gameplay, story and other trailers that clearly showed how the final product would look like... We saw the robotic animation on the cutscenes, we saw some footage that was clearly not from the same game...! However, given the differences between graphics quality in consoles and PC, the console game buyers could argue that their version was far sub-par by comparison with the trailers...
So, I would first talk to a lawyer (a bunch of them, actually) and see whether we would have a case!
I think SEGA is probably the only one who could win, PROVIDED there were specific clauses regarding quality, deadlines and moneys... :-\
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 20, 2013, 03:50:50 AM
Interesting news... There may have been yet another developer involved (still seeking some confirmation).
A trusted friend of mine says they've been in talks with someone who was involved in this title and he'll be pressing them for more details, but from what he can remember when speaking to them:
EDIT FOR UPDATE:
- The person in question was involved in beta testing and fault-finding. They mentioned that the version they were given had always been downright terrible and noted that the animations were especially quite poor. They were sending back long lists of various problems being encountered.
- Gearbox ended up terminating the arrangement via stating they weren't getting "satisfactory reports" from them. This person claims that this was basically legal-speak and that the true reason was that Gearbox was getting so much negative feedback that they wanted an excuse not to fix the sheer volume of problems being reported back to them and steadily piling up.
Take from that what you will.
Again, right now, the above should be considered purely speculative, but is, nonetheless, interesting.
Nor surprised at all! All the news we have been getting clearly show Randy and crew as sole responsibles and even conspirators to make the game fail! All the decisions they made, the funds redirected, the beta-testers lists of faults being disregarded, it is clearly incredible derelict of duty and potentially commercial suicide committed by Randy and Gearbox! This guy is clearly leading this company to their doom! I mean, did he really believe he would make this fly?! :o