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Question: In short, what did you think of the film?
Option 1: Loved it! (5/5) votes: 140
Option 2: Good, but not great (4/5) votes: 146
Option 3: It was okay, nothing good (3/5) votes: 67
Option 4: Didn't care for it (2/5) votes: 30
Option 5: It sucked (1/5) votes: 26
Option 6: Hated it! (0/5) votes: 25
Title: Prometheus Fan Reviews
Post by: Darkness on May 30, 2012, 05:46:52 AM
This topic is for you to post your fan reviews. Prometheus is technically out in France, Belgium and Switzerland today.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 01:22:55 PM
Right... I've just seen Prometheus in Lille, France. I came A long way to see it and my hopes for the film were very high. 

I'm going to try not to give any major spoilers but read this at your own risk, I will say however that if you have watched the first 2 trailers or more, you have basically seen the whole movie.

It's hard to look at the film objectively since alien is my favourite film of all time. But here goes.

Plot: this was fairly weak and predictable, there were a few good unanswered questions, but very few and far between, mostly you were spoon fed a very straight forward expansion of the trailers, in fact all the main surprises bar one (I'll get to that) were in the trailers.... This was a bit of a let down for me but at the same time won't affect the rating I give the film as its my own fault for watching trailers etc. I do feel that the story could have been much more impact full given the subject matter. That said its still a solid film overall.

One thing I have to say about the plot is that some of the reactions, or more specifically Non-reactions to some quite alarming events by characters are nuts...some serious shit hits the fan and the next scene it's as if nothing has happened... Quite poor if you ask me.

Characters: this is where the the film shines and falls down at the same time, David is great and a complex character, in fact I'd go as far to say he steals the show and it could have easily been his story. The crew of the Prometheus is 17 and honestly I'd say 10 of them don't do or say anything and just add to the body count...I really think the film would have been better cutting down the cast and making it more intimate like the original. I hate to say this but several times in this movie I was reminded of avp1, and some of the characters feel like the fell straight out of andersons story and into this one.

Gripes aside the "main" characters are all well acted and I think did a good job, I do feel that there was more potential particularly between vickers and David to expand the relationship.

Visuals: everything looked fantastic with the exception of the creatures. Apparently no one told Ridley that Tenticles are not scary and make any creature that has them a joke. There are several Tenticled creatures in the film and the looked stupid to me I won't say anymore than that.

Oh and remember that report of the 3 xenon sat next to each other outside a stage during production? Well I can confirm that's a load of bull.

There is also an... Abomination to Alien in the film, but I can't say more without giving away possibly the only thing which is not in the trailer... I'm sure it's going to be one of the most hotly debated topics on the boards soon though.

The engineer is also about 10ft tall in the movie (he's also a douchebag) 

Summary:

I wanted to love this film, but some of the stuff in it really shits on Alien, human space jockeys, creatures which would make h.r.giger laugh, a complete set up for another movie, which is almost cringe worthy. These are things which hurt me as a fan, that aside it is a good movie... Id give it a 5/10 as a fan and a 7/10 for anyone else.

Final message is this: Ridley why the f**k did you have h.r.giger on your set and not use him, the murals were the best damn thing in the whole movie (im not kidding) (someone even says "look murals" lol) and also it's clear Ridley is a big avp fan boy (you'll know what I mean when you see it)

Final note an hour after I wrote this, don't be put off, it is a good film, just not the prequel I personaly was hoping for.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 01:38:48 PM
Be ready to get assaulted by the "you had too much expectation for this movie you set yourself to hate it" police ^^
I agree a lot with you.

Pretty cool what you did going to Lille lol!

I'm gonna copy/paste my intitial reaction here:

About the movie.
For now what i can say, is that i got out of the theatre angry.
I've got nothing to spoil because from the first trailer the movie has been spoiled to us.
I loved it until the last 20/30 minutes, i'm still trying to figure out how the last 2 minutes (Scott probably said 8 minutes because he's including the fight that leads to this moment) are supposed to make the bridge with ALIEN.
If it is what i think it is, it's just lame. My main theorie, the human Engineer is wrong, but i think that when you'll see the movie you're gonna wish it was right... And i'm not bragging...
The creatures i won't even bother...
The opening was beautiful, and there is some really cool moments.
I called the ending.
Lots of stuff is clearly missing, scenes have been clearly modified.
Some characters have their development cleary been cut from the move.

I had expectation going in.
i knew what Scott was doing, some sort of blockbuster version of ALIEN.
I was ok to embrace it. I really wanted to fuking love this movie.
As it is for now i can't.

One thing is sure, when you have great expectations, it is bound to happen some sort of backlash.
So i'm right now processing that, trying to leave my feelings and expectations out and see the movie fresh.
That is why i'm definitly going to see it again.

For me it is not a bad movie, it's a flawed and lazy movie.

UPDATE 2

Ok so the night was great and i had time to rethink about what bothered me in the movie.
I'm gonna dwell into spoilers so be warned.

Spoiler
Some stuff just bothered me in the movie (the way Fifield and Millburn get lost and end up being victims, how can the guy who is mapping the place with his orbs and is in constant contact with the ship can be lost is just beyond me lol, that ravel and chance who have their great moment with janek are almost just shadows, that the hangar attack is just there to satisfy the need for action of the general movie audience) But i can forget and forgive them.
Eeverything is so cool around those that its ok.

I loved the movie until the Engineer is awaken.
One thing i understand now is that the surviving Engineer, is just a regular shmoe he's not a leader or anything.
He and all the dead engineers were on this planet creating weapon of mass destruction, this is a military base and he's just one of the many "soldiers" (remember Scott said the derelict was a bomber hence the military concepts).
When shit hit the fans on that base (this is important i will get back to it later) he and his crew were on their way to take off to Earth to wipe us out (the image of David in front of well stored urns, is actually the cargo bay of the juggernaut inside the urns, death either by complete desintragration of the body or by infestation).
So when he wakes up and start to go berzerk on David, Weyland, Ford and the Merc his agressive reaction do make sense.
He was ordered to destroy our race and he wakes up to find us there.
That is all there is to this first contact.
But i was expecting that our crew will get to meet an actual leader of the race, not just a grunt.
The one who has his face sculpted, he's their leader.
The movie forget about all the grand questions and goes into action, slasher, blockbuster territory.
But now i'm even ok with that, its not a problem anymore that we end up having just a classic horror slaher ending with a big bad monster stalking our heroine.

What still bothers me is the missed oportunity to make the events that lead to the massacre in the Engineer military base to payoff in the end. Especially now that i know what was supposed to take place in the end of the movie.

Bascally here is what happened in the military base.
An Engineer got infected by the same thing that killed/infected Holloway, the black goo that seems to either kill you in horrible pain or make you morph, mutate. That infected Engineer unleached a new form of life, probably like the one that Shaws delivers, a giant octopus like facehugger. The pile of dead Engineers (beautifull image btw) that Millburn and Fifield encounter at one point have their chest bursted (Fifield even states it) and the holes in the 3 sarcophagis leave no doubt that xeno like creature have been born 2000 years ago (that is the date Shaw gets when she carbon analyse the Engineer dead body they find) and killed almost everyone on the Engineer base.
What was the original plan for the final act was to have The surviving Engineer doing the same thing, going berzerk and kill the humans taking off but then :
1st script version, he would have been chestbursted by a massive xeno (wich growing was kept dormant thank to the Engineer being in cryosleep) growing very fast (like all the creatures of the movie) and been hunting down Shaw.

2nd script version, they (Engineer and Shaw) would have been confronted to the massive xenos or their spawns that were born from the Engineers 2000 years ago.

After killing it, Shaw would have took off with the Juggernaut with David just like she does in the movie.

Maybe Scott ditched these endings because they were too much ALIEN like, or maybe he wants to use this and adress the whole military base incident in the sequel.

Either way i would have prefered this than the Engineer stalking Shaw to the ship like Jason to be killed by a giant octopus.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 01:42:34 PM
Well can't help the way I feel about it, but like I said, it is a good movie, just not so much for a fan (unless you are into tentacles)

Edit: I read your review and I guess we are on the same page, I didn't feel quite as bad but definitely the last bit felt wrong somehow.

Spoiler
Were you surprised how vickers died, it felt like she was just written out quickly because they had changed the story
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 02:18:12 PM
Time for a Review, I watch it at Le Grand Rex in 3D with 4 other friends.

I'm going to start about the 3D since I'm someone who mainly hates the use of it.
I must say that the first 30 mins surprised me a lot with all this space sequences and it looks fabulous on 3D.
Overall the fact it was directly shot in 3D stereoscopic is a very good thing and really made the screen disappear.

If there's a movie in the whole License that I love, it is ALIEN.
It is Alien for so many reasons in fact so I wasn't "so" worry when I went to the theater when I knew that H.R. Giger was designing creatures & set, Walter Hill & David Giller producing (well that's a 50/50 actually since they produced AVP but whatever) and Ridley Scott was directing.
My only main concerns was Jon Spaiths who only wrote the Darkest Hour.

Spoiler
Plot: Every little thing is predictable and it is done in purpose because that's the only thing they can give you. Everything else will remain in a stupid mist and I bet they won't even serve as a purpose in Prometheus 2. By that I mean:
-You don't know what is the place they are in (one character suggest bio weapon)
-You don't know Why SJ run and were afraid of something.
-You don't know Why there is a green emerald in the head room.
-You don't know what is this head doing here (art I guess)
-You don't know who are the SJ, where they came from, what are they doing, why they created us and now want to kill us, why only one is remaining?
-Why is Weyland having only 2 days to live?
I could go one for a very very very long list but you get the point, there are just some irrelevant elements shown on screen.

What I really hate in movies when it comes to plot, original or not, it's when characters & actions are making total non sense.
For example:
Millburn say hello to Fifield and Fifiel answer he's not here to makes friend but to makes money. Which force then Millburn to be distant during dinner.
They land...
Fifield launch the probs that scans the map and get directly the topography on its computer located on his arms.
He says which way to go and they end up in the room with the head & jars.
Fifield says he's coming back to the ship because he's tired of alien/god bullshit and Millburn says "I come with you" why he's a scientist. I mean, Haven't we miss something between both?
But the worse is to come. Fifield is the dude with the maps and HE CAN'T FIND HIS WAY OUT while the rest of the crew does.
Fifield and Millburn are stuck in this sanctuary alone.
Doesn't this remind you of AVP and the scenes between Miller & Verheiden (enemy at the beginning) and while progressing inside the pyramid ruins / They encountered the Aliens (which in Prometheus are earth-worm mutated by the black liquid... lol)
Anyway, they both die in a gory way that made the audience laugh pretty much like AVP-R or SAW.

Characters: 17 crew members and we probably see like... 10 or 13 of them? And only David & Shaw have character development. Holloway and Vickers are probably then a bit more developed with Cpt. Janek. But all other characters have like "one line of dialog" for the entire movie or just a bit more but it ain't anything relevant and it felt most of the time off. I mean it's the kind of Comedy scenes which makes you smile but it's nothing incredible.

The thing concerning David that bother me are its motivations. I may understand that he obey weyland but every of his actions put in dangers FOR NO REASONS the mission and it even seems like in ALIEN that Weyland had informations concerning the SJ much much before prometheus and knew about their existence just like in ALIEN. That is an question that still won't get an answer apart Vickers who says he's superstitious.

By the way Vickers also makes non sense once you understand who she is.
I mean, what would the daughter of Weyland do on board of the Prometheus, especially when she wants the crew to be wrong about that alien / god stories and once they prove it is right she just want to come back on earth.
She also express a hate for her father and vice versa but why?
Among every characters, Weyland is the top-noch of the useless state of art.
He play like... 2 mins of screen time. He die ALA ALIEN Resurrection (A beautiful butterfly scene) while trying to worship his god and felt uninspired very much like the Weyland we got in AVP (an old sick billionaire who send a last expedition to make the biggest discovery of mankind. A total remake of AVP).

Visuals: The prometheus ship looks very nice. It is the state of the art and we get some awesome space footage in 3D.
But that is pretty much all you get.
I don't know why is Giger Credited because NOTHING has bio-mechanic design. It may have a "feels" of it but it's unlike anything we've seen in Giger art. It's more mechanical and shiny metal than a basalt volcanic black rock with bones mixing with pipes when it's about the set.
And it is 100% organic when it comes to creatures.
Though despite all the unimpressive visuals I must say that the VFX (CGI) were very very very well executed.

To finish, I disliked the film a lot. It felt exactly like the first AVP with a R-rated.
I don't think that giving a note would be very useful apart 1 for the 3D and 1 for CGI which would be 2/10.
But it's a movie that won't be remembered as Alien and in several years we'll laugh about it.
Just to give you statistics, we were 5 to go to the theater that night.
1 loved it.
1 enjoyed it
3 disliked it and almost fell asleep.

It's in the end a matter of taste & colors but still, it's nowhere near a masterpiece.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 02:21:36 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 01:42:34 PM
Well can't help the way I feel about it, but like I said, it is a good movie, just not so much for a fan (unless you are into tentacles)

Edit: I read your review and I guess we are on the same page, I didn't feel quite as bad but definitely the last bit felt wrong somehow.

Spoiler
Were you surprised how vickers died, it felt like she was just written out quickly because they had changed the story
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I was like WHAAAAAAAAAATTTTTT???
Spoiler
Make her survive the crash to get her crushed like this.
What was the point? Have the 2 stars running together in the same shot?
Whats even worst is that Shaw also get crushed but thats ok only her Oxygen is low lol
The film suffers for major rewrite or last minutes shooting, many scenes that appears in the trailer are modified or absent.
What about the maybe there is 2 androids thing? Just a f**king tease? What for?
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Celticant,
Giger did shit on the movie :)
He was let go after a fight with production designer Arthur Max.
The creatures and sets are not his work but inspired by.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 02:25:20 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 02:18:12 PM
Time for a Review, I watch it at Le Grand Rex in 3D with 4 other friends.

I'm going to start about the 3D since I'm someone who mainly hates the use of it.
I must say that the first 30 mins surprised me a lot with all this space sequences and it looks fabulous on 3D.
Overall the fact it was directly shot in 3D stereoscopic is a very good thing and really made the screen disappear.

If there's a movie in the whole License that I love, it is ALIEN.
It is Alien for so many reasons in fact so I wasn't "so" worry when I went to the theater when I knew that H.R. Giger was designing creatures & set, Walter Hill & David Giller producing (well that's a 50/50 actually since they produced AVP but whatever) and Ridley Scott was directing.
My only main concerns was Jon Spaiths who only wrote the Darkest Hour.

Spoiler
Plot: Every little thing is predictable and it is done in purpose because that's the only thing they can give you. Everything else will remain in a stupid mist and I bet they won't even serve as a purpose in Prometheus 2. By that I mean:
-You don't know what is the place they are in (one character suggest bio weapon)
-You don't know Why SJ run and were afraid of something.
-You don't know Why there is a green emerald in the head room.
-You don't know what is this head doing here (art I guess)
-You don't know who are the SJ, where they came from, what are they doing, why they created us and now want to kill us, why only one is remaining?
-Why is Weyland having only 2 days to live?
I could go one for a very very very long list but you get the point, there are just some irrelevant elements shown on screen.

What I really hate in movies when it comes to plot, original or not, it's when characters & actions are making total non sense.
For example:
Millburn say hello to Fifield and Fifiel answer he's not here to makes friend but to makes money. Which force then Millburn to be distant during dinner.
They land...
Fifield launch the probs that scans the map and get directly the topography on its computer located on his arms.
He says which way to go and they end up in the room with the head & jars.
Fifield says he's coming back to the ship because he's tired of alien/god bullshit and Millburn says "I come with you" why he's a scientist. I mean, Haven't we miss something between both?
But the worse is to come. Fifield is the dude with the maps and HE CAN'T FIND HIS WAY OUT while the rest of the crew does.
Fifield and Millburn are stuck in this sanctuary alone.
Doesn't this remind you of AVP and the scenes between Miller & Verheiden (enemy at the beginning) and while progressing inside the pyramid ruins / They encountered the Aliens (which in Prometheus are earth-worm mutated by the black liquid... lol)
Anyway, they both die in a gory way that made the audience laugh pretty much like AVP-R or SAW.

Characters: 17 crew members and we probably see like... 10 or 13 of them? And only David & Shaw have character development. Holloway and Vickers are probably then a bit more developed with Cpt. Janek. But all other characters have like "one line of dialog" for the entire movie or just a bit more but it ain't anything relevant and it felt most of the time off. I mean it's the kind of Comedy scenes which makes you smile but it's nothing incredible.

The thing concerning David that bother me are its motivations. I may understand that he obey weyland but every of his actions put in dangers FOR NO REASONS the mission and it even seems like in ALIEN that Weyland had informations concerning the SJ much much before prometheus and knew about their existence just like in ALIEN. That is an question that still won't get an answer apart Vickers who says he's superstitious.

By the way Vickers also makes non sense once you understand who she is.
I mean, what would the daughter of Weyland do on board of the Prometheus, especially when she wants the crew to be wrong about that alien / god stories and once they prove it is right she just want to come back on earth.
She also express a hate for her father and vice versa but why?
Among every characters, Weyland is the top-noch of the useless state of art.
He play like... 2 mins of screen time. He die ALA ALIEN Resurrection (A beautiful butterfly scene) while trying to worship his god and felt uninspired very much like the Weyland we got in AVP (an old sick billionaire who send a last expedition to make the biggest discovery of mankind. A total remake of AVP).

Visuals: The prometheus ship looks very nice. It is the state of the art and we get some awesome space footage in 3D.
But that is pretty much all you get.
I don't know why is Giger Credited because NOTHING has bio-mechanic design. It may have a "feels" of it but it's unlike anything we've seen in Giger art. It's more mechanical and shiny metal than a basalt volcanic black rock with bones mixing with pipes when it's about the set.
And it is 100% organic when it comes to creatures.
Though despite all the unimpressive visuals I must say that the VFX (CGI) were very very very well executed.

To finish, I disliked the film a lot. It felt exactly like the first AVP with a R-rated.
I don't think that giving a note would be very useful apart 1 for the 3D and 1 for CGI which would be 2/10.
But it's a movie that won't be remembered as Alien and in several years we'll laugh about it.
Just to give you statistics, we were 5 to go to the theater that night.
1 loved it.
1 enjoyed it
3 disliked it and almost fell asleep.

It's in the end a matter of taste & colors but still, it's nowhere near a masterpiece.
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I agree with everything you said but a bit of a harsh rating
Spoiler
I really want to know what that crystal was!
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 02:32:52 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 02:25:20 PM
I agree with everything you said but a bit of a harsh rating
Spoiler
I really want to know what that crystal was!
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Spoiler
I dont think it's a crystal or anything.
Rememember in the trailer you see the same shot with Holloway reaching toward it, but instead of a green thing there is the bowl that the sacrifice engineer uses in the opening of the movie.
It another modification made in post production.
It's still the same bowl but its tilted and there is frozen green goo, like the one David finds on the panel that activates the corridor holograms.
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Celticant some answer are there there are just not spoonfed to you :)

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 02:39:29 PM
Xeno that was a fair review. I'm now more excited then ever!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Le Celticant on May 30, 2012, 02:42:04 PM
Quote
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 02:32:52 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 02:25:20 PM
I agree with everything you said but a bit of a harsh rating
Spoiler
I really want to know what that crystal was!
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Spoiler
I dont think it's a crystal or anything.
Rememember in the trailer you see the same shot with Holloway reaching toward it, but instead of a green thing there is the bowl that the sacrifice engineer uses in the opening of the movie.
It another modification made in post production.
It's still the same bowl but its tilted and there is frozen green goo, like the one David finds on the panel that activates the corridor holograms.
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Celticant some answer are there there are just not spoonfed to you :)

Ah!!! Didn't noticed this and thanks for the Giger infos too.
Though I still hold my opinion on this: It was stupid to show it and irrelevant.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 02:45:27 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 02:39:29 PM
Xeno that was a fair review. I'm now more excited then ever!

LOL  what a surprise.
Can't wait to read your review where you will of course say that its a masterpiece lol
Whatever...  ;)

Xeno,
Spoiler
Did you not rolled you eyes at how Ravel and Chance are completly fine to sacrifice themselves?
They had like What 2 scenes to flesh them out and it's like YES SIR WE ARE HAPPY TO DIE FOR SOMETHING WE DONT EVEN UNDERSTAND!!! Laughable.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 02:49:39 PM
I've got big plans to see this move on June 15TH, but the other people posting in this topic should at least give a rating.

You people should do the "(Insert Numerber)/10" rating system more often.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 04:40:38 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 02:45:27 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 30, 2012, 02:39:29 PM
Xeno that was a fair review. I'm now more excited then ever!

LOL  what a surprise.
Can't wait to read your review where you will of course say that its a masterpiece lol
Whatever...  ;)

Xeno,
Spoiler
Did you not rolled you eyes at how Ravel and Chance are completly fine to sacrifice themselves?
They had like What 2 scenes to flesh them out and it's like YES SIR WE ARE HAPPY TO DIE FOR SOMETHING WE DONT EVEN UNDERSTAND!!! Laughable.
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Yes! I did actually physically roll my eyes. I
Spoiler
It was like they as characters just had nowhere to go, I also thought the captain suddenly having depth and saying they can't let them go back was stupid... And also no one seemed to mind there was a squid hanging out in the escape pod, and that David was an asshole...
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 04:52:38 PM
Spoiler
Weyland and David are ready to freeze Shaw to keep the squid but when she appears with her C section they don't give a damn about where is the squid. Also why Ford and the Merc who prepare Shaw for cryo dont pursue her when she escapes ??? ??? ???

I just loved how it's Janek that comes with the explaination of what is the temple.
Suddenly he's the one who give us the answers.... Even if i liked the character, seriously?
That is just lame screenwriting.

I hope an extended cut will fix some of those.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on May 30, 2012, 05:03:35 PM
Thanks for using the spoiler tags, guys :) I think it's healthy to temper our expectations. I feel realistic :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: DestinyCaptain on May 30, 2012, 05:09:34 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 01:42:34 PM
Well can't help the way I feel about it, but like I said, it is a good movie, just not so much for a fan (unless you are into tentacles)

Edit: I read your review and I guess we are on the same page, I didn't feel quite as bad but definitely the last bit felt wrong somehow.

Spoiler
Were you surprised how vickers died, it felt like she was just written out quickly because they had changed the story
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THAT smells like LOST to me. I loved that show up to a point. It was frequently writing itself up to a wall and just dropping threads by abruptly killing a character off. Charles Widmore and John Locke are prime examples. It's really more a hallmark of the writer's style. I'd really like to know who contributed what at this point. I don't want to assume, but where there is smoke...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 05:40:41 PM
I hope you enjoy it mate :-)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Truise on May 30, 2012, 05:40:55 PM
Quote from: DestinyCapt on May 30, 2012, 05:09:34 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 01:42:34 PM
Well can't help the way I feel about it, but like I said, it is a good movie, just not so much for a fan (unless you are into tentacles)

Edit: I read your review and I guess we are on the same page, I didn't feel quite as bad but definitely the last bit felt wrong somehow.

Spoiler
Were you surprised how vickers died, it felt like she was just written out quickly because they had changed the story
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THAT smells like LOST to me. I loved that show up to a point. It was frequently writing itself up to a wall and just dropping threads by abruptly killing a character off. Charles Widmore and John Locke are prime examples. It's really more a hallmark of the writer's style. I'd really like to know who contributed what at this point. I don't want to assume, but where there is smoke...

In the end it had to come through Ridley. No point in trying to know which ideas came from Lindelof.


Quote from: Truise on May 30, 2012, 05:40:55 PM
Quote from: DestinyCapt on May 30, 2012, 05:09:34 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 01:42:34 PM
Well can't help the way I feel about it, but like I said, it is a good movie, just not so much for a fan (unless you are into tentacles)

Edit: I read your review and I guess we are on the same page, I didn't feel quite as bad but definitely the last bit felt wrong somehow.

Spoiler
Were you surprised how vickers died, it felt like she was just written out quickly because they had changed the story
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THAT smells like LOST to me. I loved that show up to a point. It was frequently writing itself up to a wall and just dropping threads by abruptly killing a character off. Charles Widmore and John Locke are prime examples. It's really more a hallmark of the writer's style. I'd really like to know who contributed what at this point. I don't want to assume, but where there is smoke...

In the end it had to come through Ridley. No point in trying to know which ideas came from Lindelof.

That sound's awful. :(

I actually love riddles. Hope he gets another chance at this franchise.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Hubbs on May 30, 2012, 05:59:19 PM
This all sounds very confusing  :o I haven't seen all the trailers and I haven't kept up with the threads so I know nothing but it sounds hectic.

A shame its not going down too well, if this doesn't work it could end the Alien franchise :(
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: DestinyCaptain on May 30, 2012, 07:33:43 PM
I think part of truely enjoying a movie is understanding what went into making it. This is true for good and bad. I am just curios what each of the three principals involved brought to it. Yes, ultimately all of it was done with Scott's approval. Really that's fine. It's his vision. He honed it. He crafted it. Watch any of his interviews and you quickly come away with the notion that he has no problem asserting himself to get what he wants. I do believe thought that sometimes it takes another voice to temper a visionary. In time we'll know more about the crafting of the story. I do want read Spaight's spec script. I read Shadow 19 and Passengers in an attempt to see what this guy was about.  He has been tight lipped about what he wrote. Maybe that will change after the film is out in all areas.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 08:03:05 PM
What did you think of Shadow 19?  I'm reading it now, the beginning is certainly cool.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: EEV-2501 on May 30, 2012, 09:26:15 PM
I really don't know where to begin. The film was such a massive deception. My first feeling is definitely Anger. The movie is very lazy and insulting at some point.  >:(

Short Review:

Spoiler

Story:
Weak and lazy. No answers for so many questions (the Lindelof touch). A lot of blanks. Honestly It's a shame. They just "flew" over the subject. No real mistery, philosophy or whatever in this story, just a succession of scenes. Everything is happening too fast and it seems that there are major holes in the chronology of events from one scene to an other. Everything start by "accident" in fact with the opening of the door of the head room. The air is contaminated...
And personnally, I don't see the point with the Prometheus myth ? Apparently Weyland just want to make his maker before dying. No evil plan behind that.
Who the Engineers really are ? What is this place ? What really happened to them ?  What is really in the urns ? Why they want to destroy mankind and Earth ? Why the big head and the green emerald ? Why only one Engineer remains ? Why is Weyland having 2 days to live ?...
And so many more questions.

Characters:
Don't know what to think about most of them. Apparently there is only 2 strong characters: Shaw and David. Holloway and Janek are interesting. Vickers ? Can't really tell about Weyland. The others: Milburn, Fifield, Ford, Chance, Ravel... are insipidus. Problem is that all these characters don't seems really interested, surprised, fascinated or scared by what they encountered and what's happening. Bizarre.

Visuals/FX:
Fx's are great. Special mention to David's head. Problems are with the designs. For the humans It's good. The Prometheus ship is great. The suits too. Equipements, weapons... evrything rules. The non-Human side now: The giant Humanoid type Engineers are great. I like their skin/suit and their faces are cool. The giant Tentacle monster sucks really hard but It's nothing compared to the Abomination we saw in the last minute. Only the Snake-Hugger can be affiliate by It's design to Alien.

Gore/Violence:
R-Rated movie ? No. PG-13 I think. The broken arm ? Ridiculous. Vicker's death ? Ridiculous. Ford and the Guard killed by the Engineer ? He just knock them out. They can be alive. They have scanned Kate Dickie's head but don't know why ? Maybe for the Director's Cut ? I really hope. The guys smashed by Fifield. Same thing. Nothing really impressive here too. Nothing that can match with the birth of Kane's son and with the violence and brutality of the Xenos.

The Last minute scene:
I'm really angry and pissed off about the last minute scene who shows us the birth of a "Xeno" from the Engineer. The scene we all dreamed of seems to have been quickly write and made just for the Fanboy Service.
The creature is an insult. >:( >:( An insult made to Giger's creations, to the original ALIEN film from the same Ridley Scott and to Us, fans. Problem is not the fact that this thing is a "Proto-" or "Pre-" Xeno, but the design itself. Lame and Shame. Definitely. A really ugly design in a Patrick Tatopoulos style but shitty. Supposed to match Giger's beast ? Lol. I really want to know the guy responsible of the creatures designs. Did he knows Giger's work ? >:(
[close]

Conclusion:
I'm going to watch it again to be sure and I hope this is just my review of the Theatrical Cut. I really hope the Blu-Ray Cut will be superior cause at the moment this Prometheus really doesn't match with ALIEN. Definitely. In all way.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on May 30, 2012, 09:26:15 PM
I really don't know where to begin. The film was such a massive deception. My first feeling is definitely Anger. The movie is very lazy and insulting at some point.  >:(

Short Review:

Spoiler

Story:
Weak and lazy. No answers for so many questions (the Lindelof touch). A lot of blanks. Honestly It's a shame. They just "flew" over the subject. No real mistery, philosophy or whatever in this story, just a succession of scenes. Everything is happening too fast and it seems that there are major holes in the chronology of events from one scene to an other. Everything start by "accident" in fact with the opening of the door of the head room. The air is contaminated...
And personnally, I don't see the point with the Prometheus myth ? Apparently Weyland just want to make his maker before dying. No evil plan behind that.
Who the Engineers really are ? What is this place ? What really happened to them ?  What is really in the urns ? Why they want to destroy mankind and Earth ? Why the big head and the green emerald ? Why only one Engineer remains ? Why is Weyland having 2 days to live ?...
And so many more questions.

Characters:
Don't know what to think about most of them. Apparently there is only 2 strong characters: Shaw and David. Holloway and Janek are interesting. Vickers ? Can't really tell about Weyland. The others: Milburn, Fifield, Ford, Chance, Ravel... are insipidus. Problem is that all these characters don't seems really interested, surprised, fascinated or scared by what they encountered and what's happening. Bizarre.

Visuals/FX:
Fx's are great. Special mention to David's head. Problems are with the designs. For the humans It's good. The Prometheus ship is great. The suits too. Equipements, weapons... evrything rules. The non-Human side now: The giant Humanoid type Engineers are great. I like their skin/suit and their faces are cool. The giant Tentacle monster sucks really hard but It's nothing compared to the Abomination we saw in the last minute. Only the Snake-Hugger can be affiliate by It's design to Alien.

Gore/Violence:
R-Rated movie ? No. PG-13 I think. The broken arm ? Ridiculous. Vicker's death ? Ridiculous. Ford and the Guard killed by the Engineer ?He just knock them out. They can be alive. They have scanned Kate Dickie's head but don(t know why ? Maybe for the Director's Cut ? I really hope. The guys smashed by Fifield. Same thing. Nothing really impressive here too. Nothing that can match with the birth of Kane's son.

The Last minute scene:
I'm really angry and pissed off about the last minute scene who shows us the birth of a "Xeno" from the Engineer. The scene we all dreamed of seems to have been quickly write and made just for the Fanboy Service.
The creature is an insult. >:( >:( An insult made to Giger's creations, to the original ALIEN film from the same Ridley Scott and to Us, fans. Problem is not the fact that this thing is a "Proto-" or "Pre-" Xeno, but the design itself. Lame and Shame. Definitely. A shitty Tatopoulos style design who is supposed to match Giger's beast. Lol. I really want to know the guy responsible of the creatures designs. Did he knows Giger's work ? >:(
[close]

Conclusion:
I hope this is just my review of the Theatrical Cut. I really hope the Blu-Ray Cut will be superior cause at the moment this Prometheus really doesn't match with ALIEN. Definitely. In all way.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.tvtropes.org%2Fpmwiki%2Fpub%2Fimages%2Fnukeem.jpg&hash=8ab8e33e54c9c87a3f48b6c03c362cec2c62ac75)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: atlantis on May 30, 2012, 09:35:22 PM
I just came back from it... saw it in Belgium.. I loved every minute of the movie... It's hard to make a movie that  tops ALIEN.....but!!!!! Prometheus is a good movie..and did give me lot of new inspiration to finish my Alien world Project.....and my Alien landscape walk trough....


Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Omegamorph on May 30, 2012, 09:36:19 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on May 30, 2012, 09:26:15 PM
A shitty Tatopoulos style design
'Tatopoulos' and 'shitty' don't belong in the same sentence.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: EEV-2501 on May 30, 2012, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 30, 2012, 09:36:19 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on May 30, 2012, 09:26:15 PM
A shitty Tatopoulos style design
'Tatopoulos' and 'shitty' don't belong in the same sentence.
Right Omega. ;) But It really looks like a Tatopulos design.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: [cancerblack] on May 30, 2012, 09:52:30 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 30, 2012, 09:36:19 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on May 30, 2012, 09:26:15 PM
A shitty Tatopoulos style design
'Tatopoulos' and 'shitty' don't belong in the same sentence.


That's just like, your opinion, man. Then again, my lurkings on the forum have informed me that while i'm as big a monster fan as you are (for reals!), we have quite different tastes. (lol, american godzilla ::))

Spoiler
I kid, i kid. :)
[close]
Title: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: BerserkerPred on May 30, 2012, 10:12:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQEwgKBq-Wo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQEwgKBq-Wo#ws)

any questions I'll try and ask them!

EDIT I just realize I got the death of Holloway confused with Milburn I have no idea why I did that  ???
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Hubbs on May 30, 2012, 10:54:35 PM
So I'm getting two very different angles here, some are saying it basically looks good but a huge disappointment whilst some are saying its not great but good.

Going this Sun but my hopes are lowered now.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: EEV-2501 on May 30, 2012, 10:58:33 PM
Maybe I'm wrong. Can't remember but I've just noticed that when Janek says "Kill Everything, Do You copy me ? "in the first International Trailer is not in the movie. Probably one more proof that this Theatrical Cut is a shame. We will have to wait for the Extended Cut to give a definitive opinion on the movie.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 11:17:37 PM
Thanks for the review, EEV.

And the sinking feeling in the pit of my gut grows deeper...
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Ooze on First on May 30, 2012, 11:26:04 PM
Cool review...although the constant twitching was a bit distracting.
Also, I LOL'ed at the captions.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on May 30, 2012, 11:44:13 PM
My thoughts:

Prometheus is without doubt a Ridley Scott film, sharing a lot of it's DNA with Alien. Visuals, aestethics, editing, conceptual designs, lighting and so on – pure Alien territory. It looks and sounds fantastic, perhaps with one exception I'll talk about later. The first act establishes the (main) characters, the worlds, the larger thematic undercurrents at play. Humanitys origins. Our place in the Universe. Our purpouse.

Story- and pacewise, you can draw a loose comparison to the first part of Alien, fused with the last part of Aliens. From character building, pieces of exposition etc. into a rollercoaster final where the momentum just builds. Just not as good as those two movies when measured directly. Prometheus does not  give itself time to dwell in dark Nostromo-like corridors and otherwise, just attempt to generate mood from very little happening on screen. It's not Alien in that regard. The pace is faster and there's a lot more dialogue between characters. The finale has some problems with stitching some scenes together to make the flow and edit seem as 'natural' or effortless as Aliens.

Gotta mention the opening 10 or so minutes – absolutely breathtaking and spectacular. The best  segment Ridley has made since Gladiator. From the early Earth sequence to the crew awakening and getting up to speed with current events, this is stellar. The 3D works really well – easily the best use of the technology I've seen since Avatar +2 years ago. It's all about depth and scale when it's utilized. Often you don't actually notice it – dialogue scenes etc – just as it should be.

Michael Fassbenders David really shines – it's mostly through him and his almost childlike but razorsharp curiosity, the most profound discussions are channeled. Easily my favorite character of the film next to Shaw. It's not really an Ash or a Bishop infused performance – if anything, it's more akin to Roy Batty, speaking with the voice of Peter O'Toole. Think a bit of Ian Holms cold portrayel when it comes to interacting with the humans, fused with a bit of Bishops essentially benign servant nature and then wrap it around with Battys intensity, playful, constantly emitting some degree of inner doubt with small gestures and facial tics. A quite restrained performance.

The 3 mains – Fassbender, Rapace and Theron are pretty strong overall (although Vickers fate comes seemingly out of nowhere and to little effect), so much so that you could argue, that the other performances suffer somewhat from it. Should a directors cut arrive on home video, I would expect some of the added scenes to flesh out some of the supporting characters more – I'd welcome that very much. Janek and his flight crew could benefit from some more interaction, although Janek gets to have some pretty good scenes with the main actors. There are some bodyguard-type characters that are never given any attention whatsoever and that's fine. They are just around to be part of the background. You could get rid of half of them scriptwise and no one would notice.

Cvalda was right all along about LMG  ;) – he's a douchebag, portraying a douchebag in a douchebaggy performance. I don't really care who's to blame in the end. Basically the character just doesn't work as intended as it is.

Personally, I'd have liked the film to dive just that extra layer into the themes it puts up there, but it does indeed seem like Lindlof, Spaihts and Scott came through with their Q&A statement about not offering definitive answers to some of the plot points, background etc. On one side, I agree with the notion that it's essentially the questions and what asking those questions does to us, that's at the core of a well told story and perhaps not the answers themselves, however alluring it is 'to know'. On the other hand, I can understand how the ambiguity will cause some critisism and I'll agree that the story pretty much abandons this strand when the action kicks in and right up until the end. One scene depicts a couple of the main players questioning the engineer, but they don't see eye to eye on what they should ask him. It's a great scene as it is, but would have had more resonnance, if the themes had been brought up more to the forefront of the film up until that point. We understand what this place essentially is about (massproduction of death – you noticed that skull on top of the temple?), what this group of engineers were up to and why the last one cannot be allowed to go to Earth. But nothing more. It's up to you to speculate further down that road.

The one thing that didn't quite work for me design-wise, would be some of the creatures. I don't mind the engineer design and execution. Neither do I mind the choice to promote the mechanical designstrand as opposed to the bio/sexual designstrand (Alien) in the alien/engineer designs. But some of the underling creatures, including the starbeast, just doesn't quite work for me in the context of the film I'm watching. Especially the lighting and edit of the starbeast facehugging a certain individual.

Another thing that seems like it should have been completely reworked was the ending reel. It should have been adjusted storywise, dialogue and the edit. Right now, the ending seems somewhat 'unfinished' or rushed, which was the biggest surprise of the film to me, considering the talent involved.

I'll stop here for now – it's 1:30am and I have other stuff to do here before I turn in

Overall I think it's a good film, but not great. Visually and with regards to sound, it's second to none. This needs to be watched on the big screen – the bass sounds when the juggernaut is activated and 37 other scenes (at least) is just unbelivable. My seat was literally shaking. My main problems are with the ending, a couple of character interactions don't quite deliver and the thematic ideas could have been scrutinized deeper to a greater effect.

Characterwise, I'd give it a solid 7 of 10  :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on May 30, 2012, 11:51:39 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 30, 2012, 11:44:13 PM
Cvalda was right all along about LMG  ;) – he's a douchebag, portraying a douchebag in a douchebaggy performance. I don't really care who's to blame in the end. Basically the character just doesn't work as intended as it is.
;D

Considering you and I were apparently separated at birth and have largely analogous taste, I suppose this review is heartening. :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RagingDragon on May 30, 2012, 11:52:04 PM
That review was fantastic, Eva.  Just fantastic.

Spoiler
DAT VICKERS
[close]

:laugh:  But thank you much, I'm sure we all appreciate it and I'm glad you had a good time overall!  At least Ridley's beautiful visuals and David can make up for the pitfalls.

I can be happy with a good effort, but this is helped by the scars left from AvP :D.  I can imagine how I'd receive the film if we'd actually had good shit to watch in the past ten years.  Culturally speaking, feels like we're really scraping the bottom now.

Thanks again, Eva.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on May 30, 2012, 11:54:20 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 30, 2012, 11:44:13 PM
My thoughts:

Prometheus is without doubt a Ridley Scott film, sharing a lot of it's DNA with Alien. Visuals, aestethics, editing, conceptual designs, lighting and so on – pure Alien territory. It looks and sounds fantastic, perhaps with one exception I'll talk about later. The first act establishes the (main) characters, the worlds, the larger thematic undercurrents at play. Humanitys origins. Our place in the Universe. Our purpouse.

Story- and pacewise, you can draw a loose comparison to the first part of Alien, fused with the last part of Aliens. From character building, pieces of exposition etc. into a rollercoaster final where the momentum just builds. Just not as good as those two movies when measured directly. Prometheus does not  give itself time to dwell in dark Nostromo-like corridors and otherwise, just attempt to generate mood from very little happening on screen. It's not Alien in that regard. The pace is faster and there's a lot more dialogue between characters. The finale has some problems with stitching some scenes together to make the flow and edit seem as 'natural' or effortless as Aliens.

Gotta mention the opening 10 or so minutes – absolutely breathtaking and spectacular. The best  segment Ridley has made since Gladiator. From the early Earth sequence to the crew awakening and getting up to speed with current events, this is stellar. The 3D works really well – easily the best use of the technology I've seen since Avatar +2 years ago. It's all about depth and scale when it's utilized. Often you don't actually notice it – dialogue scenes etc – just as it should be.

Michael Fassbenders David really shines – it's mostly through him and his almost childlike but razorsharp curiosity, the most profound discussions are channeled. Easily my favorite character of the film next to Shaw. It's not really an Ash or a Bishop infused performance – if anything, it's more akin to Roy Batty, speaking with the voice of Peter O'Toole. Think a bit of Ian Holms cold portrayel when it comes to interacting with the humans, fused with a bit of Bishops essentially benign servant nature and then wrap it around with Battys intensity, playful, constantly emitting some degree of inner doubt with small gestures and facial tics. A quite restrained performance.

The 3 mains – Fassbender, Rapace and Theron are pretty strong overall (although Vickers fate comes seemingly out of nowhere and to little effect), so much so that you could argue, that the other performances suffer somewhat from it. Should a directors cut arrive on home video, I would expect some of the added scenes to flesh out some of the supporting characters more – I'd welcome that very much. Janek and his flight crew could benefit from some more interaction, although Janek gets to have some pretty good scenes with the main actors. There are some bodyguard-type characters that are never given any attention whatsoever and that's fine. They are just around to be part of the background. You could get rid of half of them scriptwise and no one would notice.

Cvalda was right all along about LMG  ;) – he's a douchebag, portraying a douchebag in a douchebaggy performance. I don't really care who's to blame in the end. Basically the character just doesn't work as intended as it is.

Personally, I'd have liked the film to dive just that extra layer into the themes it puts up there, but it does indeed seem like Lindlof, Spaihts and Scott came through with their Q&A statement about not offering definitive answers to some of the plot points, background etc. On one side, I agree with the notion that it's essentially the questions and what asking those questions does to us, that's at the core of a well told story and perhaps not the answers themselves, however alluring it is 'to know'. On the other hand, I can understand how the ambiguity will cause some critisism and I'll agree that the story pretty much abandons this strand when the action kicks in and right up until the end. One scene depicts a couple of the main players questioning the engineer, but they don't see eye to eye on what they should ask him. It's a great scene as it is, but would have had more resonnance, if the themes had been brought up more to the forefront of the film up until that point. We understand what this place essentially is about (massproduction of death – you noticed that skull on top of the temple?), what this group of engineers were up to and why the last one cannot be allowed to go to Earth. But nothing more. It's up to you to speculate further down that road.

The one thing that didn't quite work for me design-wise, would be some of the creatures. I don't mind the engineer design and execution. Neither do I mind the choice to promote the mechanical designstrand as opposed to the bio/sexual designstrand (Alien) in the alien/engineer designs. But some of the underling creatures, including the starbeast, just doesn't quite work for me in the context of the film I'm watching. Especially the lighting and edit of the starbeast facehugging a certain individual.

Another thing that seems like it should have been completely reworked was the ending reel. It should have been adjusted storywise, dialogue and the edit. Right now, the ending seems somewhat 'unfinished' or rushed, which was the biggest surprise of the film to me, considering the talent involved.

I'll stop here for now – it's 1:30am and I have other stuff to do here before I turn in

Overall I think it's a good film, but not great. Visually and with regards to sound, it's second to none. This needs to be watched on the big screen – the bass sounds when the juggernaut is activated and 37 other scenes (at least) is just unbelivable. My seat was literally shaking. My main problems are with the ending, a couple of character interactions don't quite deliver and the thematic ideas could have been scrutinized deeper to a greater effect.

Characterwise, I'd give it a solid 7 of 10  :)

You did good Eva ;), I think you can say the movie turned out the it is now was because Ridley has not made an Alien related movie sinse 1979.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Dowly on May 31, 2012, 12:09:10 AM
Dunno, sounds fishy to me. Especially now that I checked some of your other reviews, compared to them, this review had a lot of cuts and a lot of "Umm.." moments as if you were trying to just remember what people have said about it on the internet. You also don't really talk of any details, but just give a very broad review of it.

But, I might be wrong and you've seen it. Doesn't matter to me.  :laugh:
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Mohawksinspace on May 31, 2012, 12:22:49 AM
ngr01 has debunked thee.


I haven't seen the fricken film and I could answer his question lol
(Curse you spoiler threads!!!!)

A item that ties into the main theme should not be forgotten.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 12:30:58 AM
I basically agree with eva.
The visuals are top notch.
Creatures are lacking especially the squid.
The end was rushed.
Characters not fleshed enough.
She sees the glass half full i see it half empty.

Eva please since you're seen as one of the "pure" one of the forum (those who had not been wishing the movie to be baddddddddd) just tell me how you feel about some things :
Spoiler
The way Fifield and Millburn get lost after being the one who mapped the temple and been giving direction thanks to his puppies,and the fact that they go rest where they were affraid to enter?
Janek being the one who explain out of the blue to the audience what the temple is?
Ravel and Chance happy suicide?
Weyland arc?
Vickers death?
[close]

Thanks
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on May 31, 2012, 01:08:47 AM
AWESOME Review Eva...so balanced so fair. THANK YOU.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on May 31, 2012, 01:17:22 AM
Wow, great review Eva. So sad to hear the ending seems rushed :( 24 hours from now I'll know.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 01:23:48 AM
sorry just got back from eating dinner lol (its really late here)

Spoiler
I assume you're talking about the necklace-deal right? with the cross? (I couldn't remember it at first)

she din't want it to get contaminated or something correct?
[close]

Quote from: Dowly on May 31, 2012, 12:09:10 AM
Dunno, sounds fishy to me. Especially now that I checked some of your other reviews, compared to them, this review had a lot of cuts and a lot of "Umm.." moments as if you were trying to just remember what people have said about it on the internet. You also don't really talk of any details, but just give a very broad review of it.

But, I might be wrong and you've seen it. Doesn't matter to me.  :laugh:

The reason my reviews flow "smoother" in the other videos is because I always record them RIGHT after seeing the movie.

It's been about a day and a half and honestly im starting to forget a few things LOL!

I saw Men In Black 3 recently and although I liked it if you asked me some small detail about it I most likely would not remember it hahaha

in fact the only movie I've seen recently i could probably LITERALLY give you every detail about is the AVENGERS because I saw it in theaters 5 times lol




Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Vepariga on May 31, 2012, 01:32:06 AM
I saw it last night myself,but Eva basically summed up my thoughts exactly.

I enjoyed the film,Ridley wasnt lying when they said it is not a Alien film. The DNA is there but it can be watched as a completely seperate from everything you know.

I do hope they create a second film,if just to tie up the pile of questions that went through my head as the credits rolled.

I will see it again,as this film does warrent a 2nd viewing.

I'm going to give it a solid 8/10

Its not "Alien" but its a great creature flick that houses some of the themes we love.
I have to add,Fassbender really carrys the film in some parts. Like how Robert Downey carried Sherlock Holmes.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on May 31, 2012, 01:40:29 AM
Well thx guys  :)

Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 12:30:58 AM
Eva please since you're seen as one of the "pure" one of the forum (those who had not been wishing the movie to be baddddddddd) just tell me how you feel about some things :
Spoiler
The way Fifield and Millburn get lost after being the one who mapped the temple and been giving direction thanks to his puppies,and the fact that they go rest where they were affraid to enter?
Janek being the one who explain out of the blue to the audience what the temple is?
Ravel and Chance happy suicide?
Weyland arc?
Vickers death?
[close]

Thanks

Spoiler
Well, I just sort of guessed that F & M didn't mind going in there (big head room) as much, after the other teammembers had spent time in there with no problems. Remember how they freaked out in the remote corridors with piles of bodies. Wanna stay there? Besides, it seems like there was more heat trapped in there, compared to the rest of the place and M was clearly freezing with that alu blanket.

If anything, watching them joking around came over as somewhat 'mood killing', taking some of the tension away, which was a bad call.

To some degree, I would agree with the other points you mentioned.
[close]

I'll cut my response short for now, because I just have to go to bed now  :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Vepariga on May 31, 2012, 02:14:04 AM
LOL love your sig Eva  :laugh:
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: bleau on May 31, 2012, 03:03:18 AM
Quote from: Mohawksinspace on May 31, 2012, 12:22:49 AM
ngr01 has debunked thee.


I haven't seen the fricken film and I could answer his question lol
(Curse you spoiler threads!!!!)

A item that ties into the main theme should not be forgotten.

You guys just need to understand he is not at all a die hard fan of the series like we are.  He seems like the casual movie go'er.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 03:29:20 AM
Quote from: bleau on May 31, 2012, 03:03:18 AM
Quote from: Mohawksinspace on May 31, 2012, 12:22:49 AM
ngr01 has debunked thee.


I haven't seen the fricken film and I could answer his question lol
(Curse you spoiler threads!!!!)

A item that ties into the main theme should not be forgotten.


You guys just need to understand he is not at all a die hard fan of the series like we are.  He seems like the casual movie go'er.

I am a predator fan haven't kept up much of the Alien mythos at all I can't even remember any names of the characters in the original (alien and aliens) aside from Ripley and Dallas (because I live there lol)

oh, and Ash
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on May 31, 2012, 04:53:43 AM
I need to stay away from this website for the next week (impossible!). These reviews have me very intrigued, without even reading the spoilers.

To say I'm excited is an understatement.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: TimmyTurnersDad on May 31, 2012, 05:07:59 AM
Eva, that review of yours is spectacular! Can't wait to see it in a week or so! ;)

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Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Bayo on May 31, 2012, 05:55:55 AM
now that you are talking about that scene with David and Shaw.
i want understand something
Spoiler
did David had his head completely
removed from its body and still could talk?
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Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: OpenMaw on May 31, 2012, 06:21:11 AM
Quote from: bleau on May 31, 2012, 03:03:18 AM
Quote from: Mohawksinspace on May 31, 2012, 12:22:49 AM
ngr01 has debunked thee.


I haven't seen the fricken film and I could answer his question lol
(Curse you spoiler threads!!!!)

A item that ties into the main theme should not be forgotten.

You guys just need to understand he is not at all a die hard fan of the series like we are.  He seems like the casual movie go'er.

The problem with this conclusion is the threads title is "my more detailed review vid of Prometheus" It helps to be able to recall details for a review to be detailed. Yes?  :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: aliennaire on May 31, 2012, 07:35:15 AM
Below is my couple of thoughts on this film:

It arrests your attention straight away from the very first moment and dosen't let up the grip untill the last minute, mostly because of two things: 1) stunning sceneris with breathtaking sights and completely realistical industrial designs, 2) overly intense and fast-changing succession of events. Owing to this both factor you never notice the film lasts for a liitle more than two hours: so absolutely compelling and overwhelming is it! Visually and audibly the sequences of landing/taking off ships are probably the best moments to treasure here! Obviously, it requires the second watching, and probably more than that.

In addition to totally stunning visuals/sounds you have completely believable characters - I mean everybody has their role played perfectly in the frames of what they have been entitled to embody. The problem starts when you try to understand why some character act this and that instead of what human would naturally be doing in the certain circumstances.

Spoiler
For instance I've been hugely puzzled and still don't grasp the thing who was the official leader of their mission? Saying that I mean: who was accountable and in subordination to whom? At one moment you see Vickers bragging of her company's money, at the other episode Holloway orders to go out to investigate the temple. When Fifild freaks out and all of a sudden decides to go back and takes Milburn with him, nobody bothers to get both to work...

On the other hand all characters behave towards each other like they don't give a shit about what happens to your crew member. Janek gets connection re-established with lost Fifild and Milburn and dosen't really show any signs of anxiety or hurry to resque both out of there ASAP.
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Moreover, even praised performance of David and Show seems somewhat superficious to me, not mentioning other one-minute screen-time personages. Seems like hardship, tragedy, loss and terrible things done to main heroine don't affect her neither phyisically, nor mentally.

Spoiler
She is still springy on her legs after surgery and shedding tears at any subject of her belief after finding her gods are naturally malicious beings.
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But I won't blame Scott for this, Lindeloff was eager to take the responsibility, so it's his fault. As well as rushed flow of events, especially to the end of the film, as if they were running of time and ideas how to cut it down seamlessly strictly to 120 minutes.

Spoiler
David, directing Show at the end of the movie, seemed somewhat out of place, at least to me.
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But, probably, my main compliant with this film would about necessity to use Giger original images and connection to Alien series. Why all this, if you have such marvelous opening scene that perfectly works on its own? What was the need to resort to 30-years masterpiece conception, if you could create totally independent Universe and story without teasing all fanbase and cannibalizing Alien's mystery? In this connection I totally agree with the one idea shown here: some thing should have been left unanswered. Really, I wish this film didn't detract from the classic.

Spoiler
To use previously rejected Giger's designs just for the sake of them having been exploited somewhere or for the reason new production designers totally lack imagination to invent/draw something fresh?
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As a conclusion: the film is worth watching at any rate! And I guess those who aren't so much into Alien series will like it more, than hardcore fans.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Prime113 on May 31, 2012, 07:37:31 AM
Glad to hear you liked it aliennaire!  :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: aliennaire on May 31, 2012, 07:44:19 AM
Quote from: Prime113 on May 31, 2012, 07:37:31 AM
Glad to hear you liked it aliennaire!  :)
Partially, Prime! because it's a candy with it's images and ambience sounds (plus the familiar Alien score, played at one time), but i'm a bit dissapointed with characters and the editing of the end itself.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 09:47:42 AM
Going to see it again right now. I will post a second and more detailed review after. I hope this second screening will be better.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on May 31, 2012, 10:04:43 AM
Just in to add a couple of things

I will be watching this for a 2nd time in a couple of weeks, depsite the issues I have with it. After a good nights sleep and a lot of reflection on what I saw, trying to connect dots and all that, those issues largely remain intact. Nothing I can do about that - revisiting it won't change that for now, I suspect. But the very experinece of watching big ideas presented through the lens of a visionary director is something I cherish, despite my reservations about parts of the execution and plot points. The visuals and sound design are just that good.

I forgot to mention the soundtrack - I think it's put to pretty effective use and in some scenes, spectacular use. The Life track plays in the opening flyover of early Earth and it's magnificent. That track and A Planets main riffs are used multiple times - my favorite tracks. But sometimes, I'd wish they had gone for silence instead of a score and a lot of the tracks tht didn't do much for me when listening to them without visuals, didn't quite register with me during the film either.

One note - if I'm not mistaken, I think that rythmic thumping sound in the Engineers track is actually the engineers heartbeat or some biological proces. It plays when David listens to his cryotube and you see his chest moving up and down.

Last - I'll recommend staying away from spoilers, if you haven't dived into it already. There seems to be a lot of negativity surrounding them (some warranted, some seemingly getting a life of its own, like a cancer tumor growing out of control). My point is that you risk becomming jinxed beforehand by having some negative vibe concerning specific details you've read about playing inside your mind, growing and finally becoming adjusted to 'that's just the way it is - period' - before actually watching the freaking film in question! Some details might come across better if you experience them with a fresh mind and watching them unfold in the context of the film you are watching.

Having a spoilerish disussion among a few people who've seen the film and a lot who haven't, isn't an even playing field to start with. You cannot avoid being influenced by what is essentially an opiniated version of what the film is about, and considering you've waited years for this film to materialize, why not give it another week? I'm trying to keep my thoughts as spoilerfree as possible - at least until the US audience has catched up with the film and we can have an even-sided discussion about the film.  :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on May 31, 2012, 10:25:42 AM
Upon reflection, and despite the issues you have would you say you're a bit fonder of the film then you were initially?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: aliennaire on May 31, 2012, 10:40:09 AM
Quote from: Eva on May 31, 2012, 10:04:43 AM
One note - if I'm not mistaken, I think that rythmic thumping sound in the Engineers track is actually the engineers heartbeat or some biological proces. It plays when David listens to his cryotube and you see his chest moving up and down.

Spoiler
I interpreted this scene the same way as you, as if David was scanning the sarcophagous (using his robotic superior senses) and deducted the creature was alive, listening up to the heartbeat. David even seemed to smile because of discovering that fact.
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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 31, 2012, 10:25:42 AM
Upon reflection, and despite the issues you have would you say you're a bit fonder of the film then you were initially?

I wouldn't say so, as my hope to start care about characters failed. I'd say I even more sympathized with them on what I saw in trailers. Probably, I just need to re-watch the film again, though...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on May 31, 2012, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 31, 2012, 10:25:42 AM
Upon reflection, and despite the issues you have would you say you're a bit fonder of the film then you were initially?

I'm a bit fonder of some of the details I was somewhat... indifferent with, indifferent being a somewhat poor choice of word... neutral is perhaps better. The bigger issues I've mentioned - no, not really. The ending could and should have been better scripted and executed.

More focus should have been pointed towards the last engineer as the 'main baddie' and less on the creatures. The film lacks a scene some 2/3s of the way in, with the surviving main characters having some very serious talks about the ramifications of what they've discovered up until that point and what their options are. As it is now, you've got a scene with Shaw and Janek and a scene with Shaw and Weyland doing essentially that, but imo they are only scratching the surface. I feel like there's a couple of scenes missing in this context.  :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ChrisPachi on May 31, 2012, 10:57:38 AM
In your own opinion is there anything about or anyone in this film that you could potentially love? I mean love like we love Parker and Brett, or love like we love the Sulaco? In other words, does this film have its own soul, or is it a hollow spectacle as some of the reviews seem to suggest?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on May 31, 2012, 11:18:32 AM
There are definatly things I love about it right now. The character of David and Fassbenders performance. That one grows on me and will continue to grow. I'm questioning and rumbling over how much he's aware of some of the choices he makes, some of his actions in the film - aware from a morally standpoint. Early, it's suggested that he, as an android, have no burdening morals (instant throwback to Ashs last words, describing the xenomorph and the reasons he admired it), but something in Davids response seems to suggest otherwise.

I love the intro sequence as well, early Earth, David walking around on the Prometheus in solitude, very 2001ish. I love how the engineer designs are realized, visuals, sound design, the unsettling sensation when inside the temple and juggernaut.

The film definatly has it's own voice - it's not an Alien ripoff and the ending sends the plot in an entirely different direction than towards 'linking up' with Alien. Hollow spectacle to me is something like Transformers, with absolutely no big ideas, no (human) characters you give a shit about but wanna make you press fast forward whenever they are on screen and then 90% of explosions, CGI and more explosions.

This is not in any way the embodiment of Prometheus - not to me anyway. The big ideas are there, controversial ideas, a couple of great characters and a director that actually cares. I'd much prefer a film wrestling with this, although flawed and not executed as well as you would like, to a film that has no creative ambitions whatsoever, no matter how succesfully it achieves its endgoal to essentially channel a big amount of nothing.  :)

PS: gotta go now or my boss will kill me
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 31, 2012, 11:23:46 AM
Quote from: Eva on May 31, 2012, 11:18:32 AM
There are definatly things I love about it right now. The character of David and Fassbenders performance. That one grows on me and will continue to grow. I'm questioning and rumbling over how much he's aware of some of the choices he makes, some of his actions in the film - aware from a morally standpoint. Early, it's suggested that he, as an android, have no burdening morals (instant throwback to Ashs last words, describing the xenomorph and the reasons he admired it), but something in Davids response seems to suggest otherwise.

I love the intro sequence as well, early Earth, David walking around on the Prometheus in solitude, very 2001ish. I love how the engineer designs are realized, visuals, sound design, the unsettling sensation when inside the temple and juggernaut.

The film definatly has it's own voice - it's not an Alien ripoff and the ending sends the plot in an entirely different direction than towards 'linking up' with Alien. Hollow spectacle to me is something like Transformers, with absolutely no big ideas, no (human) characters you give a shit about but wanna make you press fast forward whenener they are on scream and then 90% of explosions, CGI and more explosions.

This is not in any way the embodiment of Prometheus - not to me anyway. The big ideas are there, controversial ideas, a couple of great characters and a director that actually cares. I'd much prefer a film wrestling with this, although flawed and not executed as well as you would like, to a film that has no creative ambitions whatsoever, no matter how succesfully it achieves its endgoal to essentially channel a big amount of nothing.  :)
Everything you just wrote adds to my theory that in about 10 years, everybody will be able to line this (and it's inevitable sequels) up on their shelf alongside Blade Runner and Alien without it slanting unevenly to one side. Cheers me up.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on May 31, 2012, 11:43:13 AM
Finally saw it. Like all critiques, they should be set in context and reflect an opinion as opposed to an emperical fact (IMHO). Therefore I'll keep it short and sweet...

IMO - Prometheus is the best Alien movie since Aliens... It is not as good as Alien, in terms of originality and genuine shock value... it's not as exciting/exhilarating/fun as Aliens. However, it blows every other xeno related movie out of the water. Prometheus is certainly the most beautiful looking Alien movie to date and its production values great. Pure Ridley... and his best movie for a few years.

I feel that my reaction was buffered/tempered somewhat by the earlier review of NGR01... as I was expecting something to be disappointed in (although it does indeed have its flaws... be in no doubt). Check expectations... Prometheus is not the second coming... it's not the perfect xeno movie we have in our heads. However, it's a really good sci/fi movie (which will appeal to a mass audience)...  and it is a really good Alien movie. 8/10
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: stroggificated on May 31, 2012, 12:25:10 PM
I read the reviews and i've got nothing more to say than

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Quote from: NGR01 on May 30, 2012, 02:21:36 PM
Celticant,
Giger did shit on the movie :)
He was let go after a fight with production designer Arthur Max.
The creatures and sets are not his work but inspired by.

Unbelievable. Giger should never bother with these movie people again.  >:(
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: zuzuki on May 31, 2012, 12:30:36 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 31, 2012, 10:45:16 AM


More focus should have been pointed towards the last engineer as the 'main baddie' and less on the creatures. The film lacks a scene some 2/3s of the way in, with the surviving main characters having some very serious talks about the ramifications of what they've discovered up until that point and what their options are. As it is now, you've got a scene with Shaw and Janek and a scene with Shaw and Weyland doing essentially that, but imo they are only scratching the surface. I feel like there's a couple of scenes missing in this context.  :)
If a sequel is comig and they will go to the Engineer home planet, then i guess they saved the more complex human-engineers fight for hat one. If they would have let only the engineer be the big bad guy at the end of this one, then in the sequel it would look kinda like a recycling. This of course if a sequel is coming and i think it will. They clearely devised and thought about the space jockey culture with the mural and the altar, big giant head, they just didn't showed us what it means, pushed it back probably for the follow up. As in, that will be the center plot of the sequel along with the answers of why did they created us and why they want us dead.

Thanks for you review Eva. Clear headed opinions are difficult to find

Edit.

Ridley said in an interview that a few years ago he couldn't have made some scene at the end of the movie because of the tehnology available. So do you know what that scene is, what is so special about it?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on May 31, 2012, 12:51:15 PM
Zuzuki...wrap your text in spoilers.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: bleau on May 31, 2012, 03:03:18 AM
Quote from: Mohawksinspace on May 31, 2012, 12:22:49 AM
ngr01 has debunked thee.


I haven't seen the fricken film and I could answer his question lol
(Curse you spoiler threads!!!!)

A item that ties into the main theme should not be forgotten.

You guys just need to understand he is not at all a die hard fan of the series like we are.  He seems like the casual movie go'er.

You don't have to be a fanboy to remember this kind of stuff.
My wife doesnt care for this movies and yet she could tell you what happens.
He just went thru all my poqt and quoted me.
Also i find it quite funny that he shows us a sunny south of France since it has been raining like hell and the state declared natural catastrophy there LOL

Here is something i have not adressed at all answer this and you're scott free ;)
I know you have not seen the movie but it's fun to pay nonetheless ;)

What is the bet between Ravel & Chance?
Again it's an important character devellopment device it pops in almost 3 times especially in one of the main moment of the movie so no way you can't rememeber.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Qwertify on May 31, 2012, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: bleau on May 31, 2012, 03:03:18 AM
Quote from: Mohawksinspace on May 31, 2012, 12:22:49 AM
ngr01 has debunked thee.


I haven't seen the fricken film and I could answer his question lol
(Curse you spoiler threads!!!!)

A item that ties into the main theme should not be forgotten.

You guys just need to understand he is not at all a die hard fan of the series like we are.  He seems like the casual movie go'er.

You don't have to be a fanboy to remember this kind of stuff.
My wife doesnt care for this movies and yet she could tell you what happens.
He just went thru all my poqt and quoted me.
Also i find it quite funny that he shows us a sunny south of France since it has been raining like hell and the state declared natural catastrophy there LOL

Here is something i have not adressed at all answer this and you're scott free ;)
I know you have not seen the movie but it's fun to pay nonetheless ;)

What is the bet between Ravel & Chance?
Again it's an important character devellopment device it pops in almost 3 times especially in one of the main moment of the movie so no way you can't rememeber.

I haven't even seen it and I know what it is.

They bet whether Janek will get it on with Vickers. That and whether she is a robot or not - you know Janek will find out that is. Also - whether the Aliens will be hostile or not. I guess there were!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 01:41:27 PM
Definitly agree with Eva you express perfectly what really annoyed me in the movie and what i loved. Glad to see that someone who saw the movie agrees with some of the stuff that annoyed me and that i'm not nitpicking ;)
That opening was trully magnificiant with LIFE playing ( but i said it before).
Agreed also on the fact that they should have focused on the Engineer and forget or even don't have the other creatures.
It has probably the most frustating rushed climax ever but i think there has been major stuff cut
Spoiler
like an actual brawl between Shaw and the Engineer wich would explain the missing shots like Shaw and her axe, her getting thrown against the chandelier and why the Engineer was burned in the trailer
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I said to a friend that despite its flaws PROMETHEUS is by no way a bad movie,  i'll take it over any Battleshit or Transformerde we've been given these last years in term of scifi.
It's an apetizer and i don't get why because there was the means to make a main course. It's there!
I don't agree with the fact that some say "yeah but all will be answered in a sequel" i don't need that those questions answered since most of them have their answers if you pay attention, but why not answer them properly and then open doors to a sequel (wich is what the movie does in its last minutes) but it must also be self suficient, ALIEN does that (and many others). To write a movie already with the sequel in mind without even being sure that there will be a sequel is madness to me.
Like i said what scares me if if the movie is not a hit, Scott will probably not do the sequel himself, but fox will still do it with some new Paul Anderson/strause hack self proclamed ultimate PROMETHEUS fan...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on May 31, 2012, 01:44:08 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 01:41:27 PM
Definitly agree with Eva you express perfectly what really annoyed me in the movie and what i loved.
Glad to see that someone who saw the movie agrees with some of the stuff that annoyed me and that i'm not nitpicking ;)
That opening was trully magnificiant with LIFE playing ( but i said it before).
Agreed also on the fact that they should have focused on the Engineer and forget or even don't have the other creatures.
It has probably the most frustating rushed climax ever but i think there has been major stuff cut
Spoiler
like an actual brawl between Shaw and the Engineer wich would explain the missing shots like Shaw and her axe, her getting thrown against the chandelier and why the Engineer was burned in the trailer
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I said to a friend that despite its flaws PROMETHEUS is by no way a bad movie,  i'll take it over any Battleshit or Transformerde we've been given these last years in term of scifi.
It's an apetizer

All we need now is the extended version on DVD and Blue-Ray ;).
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on May 31, 2012, 04:09:16 PM
After Eva's reviews and thoughts, my fan rage has definitely subsided a bit. I guess it really was too much to hope for an excellent addition to the series, but I suppose a solid one isn't too bad. I just want to see this goddamn thing so I can write my own review and get it over and done with :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: aliennaire on May 31, 2012, 04:52:23 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 31, 2012, 10:57:38 AM
In your own opinion is there anything about or anyone in this film that you could potentially love? I mean love like we love Parker and Brett, or love like we love the Sulaco? In other words, does this film have its own soul, or is it a hollow spectacle as some of the reviews seem to suggest?
To get adhered to someone/thing, I beleive, it should take time and several screenings, but as of now, strangely, I feel attached only to the creature, seen at the waterfall (opening sequences). The shot looks magnificent, falling water sounds powerful, and the creature is undescribably glorious...

Spoiler
His blackened eyes, roaring and what he did to himself (willingly or being coerced by those in the alien ship-saucer, who left him there) makes my cringe and feel bad for him... In my opinion this sole episode is more relevant to the film's name Prometheus and directly connected to T.E. Lowrence's phrase "The trick is don't think, it hurts", than all next 120 minuts of the film. But actually seeing all that process of his decaying alive hurts. And now knowing that his death originated the life on the Earth, I just can't help to not like this blue giant.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MemphisRains on May 31, 2012, 04:53:04 PM
Very good but not awesome movie. Noomie, Charlize, Michael, Edris- was great in their perfomanses. Plot has
Spoiler
some questions and reserve on future (It's not a complete story)
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which is not good. Movie has strong direction by Ridley and great design) I'll give it 8 out 10

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Plokoon111 on May 31, 2012, 05:48:26 PM
I could see myself liking Elizabeth and the captain.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 06:49:14 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: bleau on May 31, 2012, 03:03:18 AM
Quote from: Mohawksinspace on May 31, 2012, 12:22:49 AM
ngr01 has debunked thee.


I haven't seen the fricken film and I could answer his question lol
(Curse you spoiler threads!!!!)

A item that ties into the main theme should not be forgotten.

You guys just need to understand he is not at all a die hard fan of the series like we are.  He seems like the casual movie go'er.

You don't have to be a fanboy to remember this kind of stuff.
My wife doesnt care for this movies and yet she could tell you what happens.
He just went thru all my poqt and quoted me.
Also i find it quite funny that he shows us a sunny south of France since it has been raining like hell and the state declared natural catastrophy there LOL

Here is something i have not adressed at all answer this and you're scott free ;)
I know you have not seen the movie but it's fun to pay nonetheless ;)

What is the bet between Ravel & Chance?
Again it's an important character devellopment device it pops in almost 3 times especially in one of the main moment of the movie so no way you can't rememeber.


Did you miss the part in my video where I CLEARLY said its been really rainy here? I literally happened to record it right when the sun came out got like only a few minutes THEN it preceded to rain and hail as I was making my review


Also, I did not read any of your posts and honestly im a bit flattered that you think I could make a whole fake movie review of reading a few online spoilers  :D
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Deuterium on May 31, 2012, 07:00:25 PM
Quote from: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 06:49:14 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: bleau on May 31, 2012, 03:03:18 AM
Quote from: Mohawksinspace on May 31, 2012, 12:22:49 AM
ngr01 has debunked thee.


I haven't seen the fricken film and I could answer his question lol
(Curse you spoiler threads!!!!)

A item that ties into the main theme should not be forgotten.

You guys just need to understand he is not at all a die hard fan of the series like we are.  He seems like the casual movie go'er.

You don't have to be a fanboy to remember this kind of stuff.
My wife doesnt care for this movies and yet she could tell you what happens.
He just went thru all my poqt and quoted me.
Also i find it quite funny that he shows us a sunny south of France since it has been raining like hell and the state declared natural catastrophy there LOL

Here is something i have not adressed at all answer this and you're scott free ;)
I know you have not seen the movie but it's fun to pay nonetheless ;)

What is the bet between Ravel & Chance?
Again it's an important character devellopment device it pops in almost 3 times especially in one of the main moment of the movie so no way you can't rememeber.


Did you miss the part in my video where I CLEARLY said its been really rainy here? I literally happened to record it right when the sun came out got like only a few minutes THEN it preceded to rain and hail as I was making my review


Also, I did not read any of your posts and honestly im a bit flattered that you think I could make a whole fake movie review of reading a few online spoilers  :D

BerserkerPred,

Answer NGR01's question regarding the bet between Ravel and Chance.  I haven't seen the film, but NGR01 believes it to be a significant story point, and I believe him.  So, just answer his question and you are off the hook.

Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 07:14:48 PM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 31, 2012, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: bleau on May 31, 2012, 03:03:18 AM
Quote from: Mohawksinspace on May 31, 2012, 12:22:49 AM
ngr01 has debunked thee.


I haven't seen the fricken film and I could answer his question lol
(Curse you spoiler threads!!!!)

A item that ties into the main theme should not be forgotten.

You guys just need to understand he is not at all a die hard fan of the series like we are.  He seems like the casual movie go'er.

You don't have to be a fanboy to remember this kind of stuff.
My wife doesnt care for this movies and yet she could tell you what happens.
He just went thru all my poqt and quoted me.
Also i find it quite funny that he shows us a sunny south of France since it has been raining like hell and the state declared natural catastrophy there LOL

Here is something i have not adressed at all answer this and you're scott free ;)
I know you have not seen the movie but it's fun to pay nonetheless ;)

What is the bet between Ravel & Chance?
Again it's an important character devellopment device it pops in almost 3 times especially in one of the main moment of the movie so no way you can't rememeber.

I haven't even seen it and I know what it is.

They bet whether Janek will get it on with Vickers. That and whether she is a robot or not - you know Janek will find out that is. Also - whether the Aliens will be hostile or not. I guess there were!

You knwo squat mate ;)
This is not it ^^

So BerserkerPred answer the question and please before the movie is released in your country ^^
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Deuterium on May 31, 2012, 07:25:07 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 07:14:48 PM
So BerserkerPred answer the question and please before the movie is released in your country ^^

Something tells me he may not be back.   :P

I hate to be cynical...and I may have even given you a bit of a hard time, awhile back, NRG01.  However, you have proven your integrity, and I do appreciate your participation and all the questions you have patiently responded to.  Cheers, mate.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 07:34:51 PM
Well i lied about the rain lol.
this thing happened in the north of France lol not the south.
South has been sunny for weeks now lol.

He's probably trying to get that answer from another forum then he will post here...
He has not seen the movie period.
Well he's young he wants the attention lol
He's cute... Well not really... ^^

As for your kind word Thanks mate ;)
I can never hold  grudge BTW.
Also i would like to apologize if i come out like a wiseass sometimes (a lot lol).
First my english is not as good as i wish, i sometime lose the subtilities or the humor in translation.
I've been breathing Alien prequel, Paradise and Prometheus for years now (almost made it to work on it but that is another story lol maybe the sequel ^^) i'm trully passionate about this movie (even if a lot of stuff bothers me).
And as always passion makes you do, think, say stuff fast lol
;)
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 01:08:30 PM

I know you have not seen the movie but it's fun to pay nonetheless ;)


Eh whatever. I know I saw the film and thats all that matters to me :)

I don't have to keep going out of my way to impress people like you whether I saw a damn movie or whether I'm in france or not. I am most definitely in Le Cannet right now, and if the only thing that would convince you that I'm here is a ticket stub or a recording of me inside the theater well then so be it, and I'm sure even those would not have you convinced. I don't have the best memory, which is why i watch almost every film I go see in theaters twice, because id like to catch up on certain details I missed.


Now even though I'm not a HUGE alien fan I've still been waiting for this movie for two years now because I liked who was going to be in the cast and I was interested in what it would be about. I've DELIBERATELY avoided this board for the past six months or so to avoid spoilers and I think it s pretty funny actually that you would accuse me of doing such a thing literally a WEEK before the films official release. There is no way I'm willing to read spoilers for a film I've wanted to see for such a long time just to get youtube hits or whatever.

Now I expected there  to be people who would not believe me obviously but you claim you actually  saw the film also idk what else you want from me to persuade you that I saw it but asking tiny little details about something is, im sorry but, not gonna really hell because I don't have the best memory as I stated before and if you expect EVERYONE to remember every little thing, then I wonder where that will take you in life.


I'm sorry to sound so rude, especially to someone older than me, but I just had to let it out
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 07:45:02 PM
IMPRESSIONS AFTER SECOND SCREENING OF THE THEATRICAL CUT
After a 2nd screening of this Theatrical Cut feelings are unfortunately the same. Massive deception, confusion and anger. Too much expectations maybe. I really hope It's just a review of a Theatrical Cut. I really hope an Extended Cut will fill the holes and blanks and improve the quality of the film. I want to give the film a chance and I really want to like it but for the moment, with this Cut, I can't. This edit is a shame.

Story: What can we expect from the man who wrote The Darkest Hour ? Nothing of course. Add to this the Lindelof Touch (xxx questions - no answers) and you have a weak and lazy screenplay who just "flew" over the subject, the characters, the mythology... Everything. There is no atmosphere, mistery, philosophy, supense or tensions in this Theatrical Cut. There is no answers. No trip about creation or evolution. Just more and more questions: Who the Engineers really are ? What is this place ? What really happened to them ? Janek has an interesting theory about this but It's just one sentence. Why only one remains ?  What's really in the urns ? What is the black shit ? Why the big head and the green emerald (who seems to interest Holloway) in the urns room ?  Why the Engineer have the sudden envy of destroying mankind and Earth just after waking up from a 2000 years sleep ? Why after being burn by the acid blood of the snake and the black shit, Fifield don't melt and die like the first Engineer but came as a mutant ? Why is Weyland having only 2 days to live ?... so many more questions in a succession of quick scenes who really makes the impressions of huge holes, blanks and incoherences between them with no sensations of suspense or real tensions. Just one example among so many: Fifield came back has a psycho mutant slaughtering some guys. They killed him but nothing more. They directly go to the next scene like if nothing has happened. You don't even know if the other characters are aware of this event. Honestly, It's a shame. And all the characters (except for Shaw, David, Janek and Holloway) don't seems really interested, surprised, fascinated or scared by what they encountered and what's happening. It's weird. One last thing about the story: What's the real point with the Prometheus myth ? Weyland spokes of the return of Prometheus in his speech but nothing more. Apparently he just want to meet his maker before dying. No evil plan behind that. They don't steal anything who can unleash the wrath of the Engineers. David takes a urn but at no moment the Enginner is aware of this event cause he's sleeping. In fact, everything start by accident with the contamination of the air in the urns room by the opening of the door. No story about fury of the gods or whatever. And at the end Shaw and the Android's head are going on a crusade against the Engineers. It sucks. To be honest, I think a lot of the theories from AvP Galaxy members about the plot and the rest were far more interesting than what's in the actual film. The Jockey mythology from Serena Dawn Spaceport is also more interesting. Even the Paradise synopsis has some better things in it. No, the screenplay is definitely too weak I think.

Characters: Same as for the screenplay. Weak and lazy. For me (and apparently most people) there is only two real characters: David and Shaw. Michael Fassbender's is easily the best thing in the film. His performance as David is outstanding. @From Eva: "It's mostly through him and his almost childlike but razorsharp curiosity, the most profound discussions are channeled. Easily my favorite character of the film next to Shaw. It's not really an Ash or a Bishop infused performance – if anything, it's more akin to Roy Batty, speaking with the voice of Peter O'Toole. Think a bit of Ian Holms cold portrayel when it comes to interacting with the humans, fused with a bit of Bishops essentially benign servant nature and then wrap it around with Battys intensity, playful, constantly emitting some degree of inner doubt with small gestures and facial tics. A quite restrained performance." Perfectly said. Shaw characters has some little low points but Noomi is also great in the role. Not exactly the Ripley type but It's close. After thos e two main characters the other ones are just sketches or insipidus characters. Holloway is supposed to be a major character but LMG sucks hard in the role. Idris Elba is perfect (as always) in the role of Capt. Janek with some good scenes (Note: The "Kill Everything ? Do you copy me" quote from the Intl. Trailer is not in the film. Director's Cut ?) and the best theory about what's happening but the character is underused. So sad. Charlize is great as Vickers but looses all interest at the moment we discover who she really is. Can't really judge about Weyland regarding the little time he has in the film but Guy delivers a great performance and he's actually perfect for the role. Fifield has a great moment has a mutant (especially his "entrance") but that's all. They introduced him like some kind of "bad guy" but he's a pussy. After those ones, Milburn, Ford and the rest of the crew are nothing. We don't even know If they are all dead at the end. Last thing, I don't know how to say it but I have the impression that Emun Eliott and Benedict Wong characters: Chance and Ravel seems to exist in a possible Director's Cut of the film. They're almost nothing in this cut but seems to have an existence and presence. I don't know.

SFX/Visuals: All the SFx's in Prometheus are great and perfect. From CG's to Physical effects. Special mention to David's head. Everything is great and works perfectly. The Prometheus ship is beautiful and the CG plans of it are breathtaking. The "human side" design is perfect: Ship interior, suits, equipements... Some of the problems came from the "Alien" side. First, I really like the Engineers designs. Badass. And their faces are really cool. After reflexion, The humanoid type design was the best thing to do. I'm a little bit disappointed with the render of the Jockey's technology. It's Giger/Alien style but not exactly. Not enough details. It looks too smoothie, clean and empty. It doesn't have the real "bone/marble" render of Giger's illustrations, and the design of the temple is a total joke comparing to the impressive designs from the same illustrations made 30 years before. The thing looks like a cave. Now the big big problem: The creatures. It's a total and massive fail. Only the Snake-Hugger has a design who can be affiliate to Giger's creation. The giant tentacle monster sucks really hard and has absolutely nothing to do here. Ridiculous. I really want to know the guy responsible of the creatures designs. Did he knows Giger's work ? And I'm scared of what I'm going to discover in the Art Of Prometheus book. And now to finish the best of the best. The one we will talk about for a long time. The shame of all Xenomorphs. The one I already call "The Abomination". I'm of course talking about The "Jockey-Xeno". Forget the great design from Destroying Angels. We are very very far from that. The creature we saw at the very end of Prometheus is an insult made to Giger's creations, to the original ALIEN film from the same Ridley Scott and to Us, fans. Problem is not the fact that this thing is a "Proto-" or "Pre-" Xeno, but the design itself. It's a shame. Definitely. A retarded design made in two minutes by someone who clearly doesn't know Giger's work and the original Xeno. They have probably take pictures of Grid from AvP as the reference. Supposed to match Giger's beast ? Lol. And the scene itself is an insult. It seems to have been quickly write and made just to put a "Xeno" in the film for the Fanboy Service. And what's pissed me the most about this film. I think this scene is really insulting for ALIEN fans.

Horror/Gore/Violence: R-Rated movie ? I'm not sure. Here in France the film is just restricted under 12. This Theatrical Cut is more of a hard PG-13 I think. Why it's not scary as ALIEN ? Simply because the creatures designs sucks really hard. Because there is no real horror atmosphere in the film. No suspense in the scenes involving those creatures (except maybe for the Snake-Hugger scene).There is also no real impressive gore effects. There is blood in the film but nothing that can justify a real R-Rating. The broken arm ? Not so gory. The guys smashed by Fifield. Same thing. Nothing really impressive here too. Vicker's death ? Ridiculous. Ford and the Guard killed by the Engineer ? He just knock them out. Hardly for sure but they really can be alive. They have scanned Kate Dickie's head but don't know why ? Maybe for the Director's Cut ? I really hope. The scene with Shaw in the Med-Pod is impressive and well made but It's not scary as hell and it absolutely doesn't match at any point with the birth of Kane's son. And all of these creatures doesn't match at any point with the Xenos in violence and brutality. Everything is perfectly executed but really too kind. A DC will change that for sure.

Conclusion: I'm so confused. I hope this cut is not the real deal. I'm close to think that Prometheus has maybe destroyed something. I don't know. At this moment, with this Theatrical Cut, I think that maybe the film shouldn't have been related to ALIEN. At any point. A completely different thing. But the problem is that the film is too connected to Alien to be consider has something different and I don't know if it can be consider as a stand alone movie of the franchise. Maybe. But by the universe he takes place in, some scenes, designs, the Jockeys, the Company, Weyland... It's definitely ALIEN but It doesn't match it. If I had to rate this cut, I'll give it 5/10.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Deuterium on May 31, 2012, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 01:08:30 PM

I know you have not seen the movie but it's fun to pay nonetheless ;)


Eh whatever. I know I saw the film and thats all that matters to me :)

I don't have to keep going out of my way to impress people like you whether I saw a damn movie or whether I'm in france or not. I am most definitely in Le Cannet right now, and if the only thing that would convince you that I'm here is a ticket stub or a recording of me inside the theater well then so be it, and I'm sure even those would not have you convinced. I don't have the best memory, which is why i watch almost every film I go see in theaters twice, because id like to catch up on certain details I missed.


Now even though I'm not a HUGE alien fan I've still been waiting for this movie for two years now because I liked who was going to be in the cast and I was interested in what it would be about. I've DELIBERATELY avoided this board for the past six months or so to avoid spoilers and I think it s pretty funny actually that you would accuse me of doing such a thing literally a WEEK before the films official release. There is no way I'm willing to read spoilers for a film I've wanted to see for such a long time just to get youtube hits or whatever.

Now I expected there  to be people who would not believe me obviously but you claim you actually  saw the film also idk what else you want from me to persuade you that I saw it but asking tiny little details about something is, im sorry but, not gonna really hell because I don't have the best memory as I stated before and if you expect EVERYONE to remember every little thing, then I wonder where that will take you in life.


I'm sorry to sound so rude, especially to someone older than me, but I just had to let it out

Well that was a long speech.  +100 for effort.

Nevertheless...you can't answer NRG01's simple question regarding the friggin' bet between Ravel and Chance. 

Case Closed!
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 07:55:43 PM
" So BerserkerPred answer the question and please before the movie is released in your country ^^"

Spoiler
they bake a bet about whether Vickers is an artificial human/robot (she's not)
[close]


Happy now?

No, I'm gonna guess youre not
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Deuterium on May 31, 2012, 07:57:47 PM
Quote from: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 07:55:43 PM
" So BerserkerPred answer the question and please before the movie is released in your country ^^"

Spoiler
they bake a bet about whether Vickers is an artificial human/robot (she's not)
[close]


Happy now?

No, I'm gonna guess youre not

If that is the answer, way too late, my friend.  Let me guess, you suddenly remembered it after over six hours?
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 08:00:40 PM


You've gotta be kidding me. I've spent the last twelve minutes trying to post that! The internet on my phone is extremely slow as hell!


I didn't know he posted that 6 hours ago. I just checked now!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on May 31, 2012, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 31, 2012, 04:09:16 PM
After Eva's reviews and thoughts, my fan rage has definitely subsided a bit. I guess it really was too much to hope for an excellent addition to the series, but I suppose a solid one isn't too bad. I just want to see this goddamn thing so I can write my own review and get it over and done with :laugh:
Alien 3 was a "solid" addition. Prometheus is a very good addition to the series... and a good standalone sci/fi blockbuster too.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Deuterium on May 31, 2012, 08:12:29 PM
Quote from: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 08:00:40 PM


You've gotta be kidding me. I've spent the last twelve minutes trying to post that! The internet on my phone is extremely slow as hell!


I didn't know he posted that 6 hours ago. I just checked now!

Well, you replied to NGR01's post, in which he asked the question, at 02:49 PM EST.  You even quoted him.  So, at a minimum, you saw it at least an hour ago, yes?
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 08:16:44 PM
Yes, and within that hour I spent the whole time typing out my stupid rant.when I wa done I went back to answer the question which took 10 minutes and  in of itself.
I'm not on a computer guys, its a bit harder than it sounds.

Ask me something else and I'll answer it
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Deuterium on May 31, 2012, 08:20:40 PM
Quote from: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 08:16:44 PM
Yes, and within that hour I spent the whole time typing out my stupid rant.when I wa done I went back to answer the question which took 10 minutes and  in of itself.
I'm not on a computer guys, its a bit harder than it sounds.

Ask me something else and I'll answer it

BP, I can't ask the questions, I haven't seen the film.  You have to admit, however, some of the delays in your replies to NGR01's questions are a bit curious...but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. 

CASE RE-OPENED.   ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on May 31, 2012, 08:22:58 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 31, 2012, 08:06:34 PM
Alien 3 was a "solid" addition. Prometheus is a very good addition to the series... and a good standalone sci/fi blockbuster too.
No, Alien 3 was a fantastic addition to the series, at least in extended cut form. ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Le Celticant on May 31, 2012, 08:26:18 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 31, 2012, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 31, 2012, 04:09:16 PM
After Eva's reviews and thoughts, my fan rage has definitely subsided a bit. I guess it really was too much to hope for an excellent addition to the series, but I suppose a solid one isn't too bad. I just want to see this goddamn thing so I can write my own review and get it over and done with :laugh:
Alien 3 was a "solid" addition. Prometheus is a very good addition to the series... and a good standalone sci/fi blockbuster too.

To me Prometheus destroyed more the Alien series.
Seriously, space jockey is just a human that is supposed to have created humanity?
And Weyland is exactly the same dude as the one in AVP?
It destroyed Alien more than building anything.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 08:29:49 PM
Well considering I've been painting the house all day and haven't had anytime to go online until just more, I kinda wish you would.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on May 31, 2012, 08:33:50 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 31, 2012, 08:26:18 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 31, 2012, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 31, 2012, 04:09:16 PM
After Eva's reviews and thoughts, my fan rage has definitely subsided a bit. I guess it really was too much to hope for an excellent addition to the series, but I suppose a solid one isn't too bad. I just want to see this goddamn thing so I can write my own review and get it over and done with :laugh:
Alien 3 was a "solid" addition. Prometheus is a very good addition to the series... and a good standalone sci/fi blockbuster too.

To me Prometheus destroyed more the Alien series.
Seriously, space jockey is just a human that is supposed to have created humanity?
And Weyland is exactly the same dude as the one in AVP?
It destroyed Alien more than building anything.
I'm sorry, but that seems like a ridiculously over dramatic view. Prometheus does nothing to undermine the original. If you think it does... too bad. Slap on AVP and enjoy yerself...
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 08:40:52 PM
Quote from: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 07:55:43 PM
" So BerserkerPred answer the question and please before the movie is released in your country ^^"

Spoiler
they bake a bet about whether Vickers is an artificial human/robot (she's not)
[close]


Happy now?

No, I'm gonna guess youre not

Havent read your rant mate so it was pointless sorry.

This is not the bet they made.
You lied you did not saw the movie lol.
I rest my case.
Bye now.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: PROM3TH3US on May 31, 2012, 08:41:05 PM
People think a second viewing right after their first viewing is going to make a big different.  It usuall take me months or years to finally accept some films that I didn't like at first but now totally loved or vice versa.  Give it time.  You have nothing but yourself to blame for spoiling, debating and creating or envision the movies how you think it should all be like for months before the they release the movie.  We still have the blu-ray DC to look forward to and maybe a sequel that might tie everything together so for now I'm happy at least this is a solid sci-fi movie.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 08:45:17 PM
no im pretty sure that was the bet :-\

Well I know they mentioned something about her being an android.

unless you're talking about them changing up/engineering the planet they were going to?

But was that a real bet?




Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 08:40:52 PM

Havent read your rant mate so it was pointless sorry.

This is not the bet they made.
You lied you did not saw the movie lol.
I rest my case.
Bye now.

Well, I don't have to deal with @ssholes like you anymore, telling me what I have and have not seen. I HAVE seen the movie and I don't give a flying fück what you think i did or did not see I KNOW for a fact I watched Prometheus in Cannes and if you're going to treat me like a little kid, quizzing me on things only the major fanboys would remember, then have fun being the first person on this board to meet my ignore list. Toodles! :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Truise on May 31, 2012, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 31, 2012, 08:41:05 PM
People think a second viewing right after their first viewing is going to make a big different.  It usuall take me months or years to finally accept some films that I didn't like at first but now totally loved or vice versa.  Give it time.  You have nothing but yourself to blame for spoiling, debating and creating or envision the movies how you think it should all be like for months before the they release the movie.  We still have the blu-ray DC to look forward to and maybe a sequel that might tie everything together so for now I'm happy at least this is a solid sci-fi movie.

I don't understand this line of reasoning. Discussing the movie and creating expectations about it doesn't ruin the experience. If the movie can hold it's own in regards to plot, acting and whatnot, there is no reason for people to enjoy it for what it is. 
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Le Celticant on May 31, 2012, 09:00:52 PM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 31, 2012, 08:41:05 PM
People think a second viewing right after their first viewing is going to make a big different.  It usuall take me months or years to finally accept some films that I didn't like at first but now totally loved or vice versa.  Give it time.  You have nothing but yourself to blame for spoiling, debating and creating or envision the movies how you think it should all be like for months before the they release the movie.  We still have the blu-ray DC to look forward to and maybe a sequel that might tie everything together so for now I'm happy at least this is a solid sci-fi movie.

I never had to wait to like a movie.
I never expected a Lord of the Ring movie to end on a sooooo unclosed story (we know they have to destroy the ring and won't before the end. But they don't throw us this purpose at the very end of a movie just for the sake of possibly make another sequel > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ )
I never expected anything from the movie because all I wanted is the SJ to remain a total mystery.
In a way Prometheus succeed.

Don't think you know a shit about me.  ::)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on May 31, 2012, 09:05:15 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 31, 2012, 04:09:16 PM
After Eva's reviews and thoughts, my fan rage has definitely subsided a bit. I guess it really was too much to hope for an excellent addition to the series, but I suppose a solid one isn't too bad. I just want to see this goddamn thing so I can write my own review and get it over and done with :laugh:

Oh boy, now I certainly hope you won't hate it to death next week, otherwise I just might recieve angry Winona eyes in abundance, from igniting that tiny shimmer of hope inside you  :)

I can't remember exactly what parts of the film you were most worried about, apart from soundtrack (turned out to be quite allright) and LMG (confirmed to be a knucklehead in this film)....

With regards to compiling a long list of unanswered plot details or otherwise just details in the film, I'll recommend giving it some time and think it over. A couple of potential answers to those questions, might be hinted at or reveal themselves in the context of the film itself. I'll just remind people that Alien gave us an abundance of questions about the spacejockey, his ship and the xenomorphs and it offered absolutely no answers - nada. Did it take away from the film in the long run? No.  :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: PROM3TH3US on May 31, 2012, 09:05:57 PM
Quote from: Truise on May 31, 2012, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 31, 2012, 08:41:05 PM
People think a second viewing right after their first viewing is going to make a big different.  It usuall take me months or years to finally accept some films that I didn't like at first but now totally loved or vice versa.  Give it time.  You have nothing but yourself to blame for spoiling, debating and creating or envision the movies how you think it should all be like for months before the they release the movie.  We still have the blu-ray DC to look forward to and maybe a sequel that might tie everything together so for now I'm happy at least this is a solid sci-fi movie.

I don't understand this line of reasoning. Discussing the movie and creating expectations about it doesn't ruin the experience. If the movie can hold it's own in regards to plot, acting and whatnot, there is no reason for people to enjoy it for what it is.

Yes it does.  I wouldn't probably have the same good feeling reaction that I did withThe Matrix. Inception, Alien or any fine movies out if I was given to much to play with and let it mode into something I I revisit every night in my head that this would be awesome if this and this happen feeling giddy.  When you finally watch it and it doesn't exceed or come close to what you have planted in your head for months.  It a good chance you will be disappointed.  That's why I love back in the days where there were no internet and how you get blown away such movies like Jurassic Park because seeing dinosaurs walking and breathing for the very first time on screen.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 09:10:09 PM
The only person that questions Vickers humanity is Janek and he  ask her directly...

They make a bet for 100 credits.
The first time they talk about it it's during the brief.
Then when they see the temples.
Lastly right before their sacrifice.
It's even some sort of punchline.

Like i said no way you missed it.
If you saw the movie.
No need to be an ALIEN fan to notice.
No way you miss it.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Le Celticant on May 31, 2012, 09:11:20 PM
No it doesn't.
I wanted to believe that the first AVP was going to be an awesome movie (I was 14 years old) and for me it was going to be a very good film
I saw it and I said... no, this is just bad, I mean awful.

I thought the same about King Kong from Peter Jackson.
For me it was going to be a very very bad movie that I was going to regret compare to the classic.
Failed, I love it.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 09:17:52 PM
No bothering replying to me.


I told you I was not sure what they were "betting on" all I remember them talking about is whether they were "terraforming" the planet or not.


I don't remember specific details they said somehting about money but I didn't take that as an actual bet.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 09:20:36 PM
I rest my case.

Enjoy the movie when you actually see it.

:)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Mechafist on May 31, 2012, 09:25:48 PM
Thanks for all the Reviews guys^^
It's really good to see that some of you liked the movie. This makes more confident about it.

It looks like it's exactly how i predicted...Very entertain but not near as good as Alien.
Still very excited to watch it  :)
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: BerserkerPred on May 31, 2012, 09:26:46 PM
I did see it....



whatever.  I know I saw it and nothing you say can change that. Buh-bye now.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 09:27:39 PM
The bet is relative to the subject of the film. You can't miss it.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 09:32:05 PM
Ok so you've seen the movie and you have forgotten about this.
The movie is so awesome as you say in your review that it blew your mind AND memory.
That is quite a concern forsomeone as young as you mate :)

Lets find another thing then.
What is DAVID doing when he's watching a movie in the opening scenes where he's alone in the Prometheus?
Again simple question and it's something that you can't forget.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 09:42:59 PM
^ Peter O' Toole style. ;) So funny.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Truise on May 31, 2012, 09:46:27 PM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 31, 2012, 09:05:57 PM
Quote from: Truise on May 31, 2012, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 31, 2012, 08:41:05 PM
People think a second viewing right after their first viewing is going to make a big different.  It usuall take me months or years to finally accept some films that I didn't like at first but now totally loved or vice versa.  Give it time.  You have nothing but yourself to blame for spoiling, debating and creating or envision the movies how you think it should all be like for months before the they release the movie.  We still have the blu-ray DC to look forward to and maybe a sequel that might tie everything together so for now I'm happy at least this is a solid sci-fi movie.

I don't understand this line of reasoning. Discussing the movie and creating expectations about it doesn't ruin the experience. If the movie can hold it's own in regards to plot, acting and whatnot, there is no reason for people to enjoy it for what it is.

Yes it does.  I wouldn't probably have the same good feeling reaction that I did withThe Matrix. Inception, Alien or any fine movies out if I was given to much to play with and let it mode into something I I revisit every night in my head that this would be awesome if this and this happen feeling giddy.  When you finally watch it and it doesn't exceed or come close to what you have planted in your head for months.  It a good chance you will be disappointed.  That's why I love back in the days where there were no internet and how you get blown away such movies like Jurassic Park because seeing dinosaurs walking and breathing for the very first time on screen.

Well, i can certainly understand that but i think that if the movie is good on it's terms, no matter what expectations i had about the movie, i will most certainly enjoy it for what it is.

Case in point, i am not fond of the whole humanoid jockey concept but i believe i can appreciate it if plays right in the movie context.

What most reviewers seem to hint is that plotwise, the movie has very weird inconsistencies that bring the whole movie down. It has nothing to do peoples expectations.

If those things were adressed, i believe that despite whatever were their expectations, people would recognize that the movie was indeed good and delivered what it seemed to promise.

I am not adressing the more subjective things about the movie like it's aesthetics. In that respect, yes, peoples expectation come heavily into play. I am talking about the stuff that no matter what kind of expectations people had about the movie, they just come out wrong.

But what the hell am i talking about ? I haven't even seen the movie.  I am just defending what i believe to be some valid concerns about the plot of the movie that some reviewers are exposing.

Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: PROM3TH3US on May 31, 2012, 09:46:39 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 09:32:05 PM
Ok so you've seen the movie and you have forgotten about this.
The movie is so awesome as you say in your review that it blew your mind AND memory.
That is quite a concern forsomeone as young as you mate :)

Lets find another thing then.
What is DAVID doing when he's watching a movie in the opening scenes where he's alone in the Prometheus?
Again simple question and it's something that you can't forget.

Jesus. Both of you give it a rest already.  I'm pretty sure he have not seen the film yet and not even in France without having to ask him any questions.  How do I know?  His time line/zone posting are totally off in the video and on here.  The room that he's filming is the same room he's in an older video.  I didn't bother to push the case because at least he's not a troll that tries to paint and go around and say "Promeus is shit" all over Youtube. 
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Deuterium on May 31, 2012, 10:07:52 PM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 31, 2012, 09:46:39 PM

Jesus. Both of you give it a rest already.  I'm pretty sure he have not seen the film yet and not even in France without having to ask him any questions.  How do I know?  His time line/zone posting are totally off in the video and on here.  The room that he's filming is the same room he's in an older video.  I didn't bother to push the case because at least he's not a troll that tries to paint and go around and say "Promeus is shit" all over Youtube.

It is beyond me, why anyone would want to be deceptive about such a thing.  Don't people have better things to do?  And it is a problem, if BerserkerPred is being deceptive, because he has gone out of his way to post a review on this forum.  If the information is inaccurate, and he is being less than truthful, then this thread should be locked.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 10:25:29 PM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 31, 2012, 09:46:39 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 09:32:05 PM
Ok so you've seen the movie and you have forgotten about this.
The movie is so awesome as you say in your review that it blew your mind AND memory.
That is quite a concern forsomeone as young as you mate :)

Lets find another thing then.
What is DAVID doing when he's watching a movie in the opening scenes where he's alone in the Prometheus?
Again simple question and it's something that you can't forget.

Jesus. Both of you give it a rest already.  I'm pretty sure he have not seen the film yet and not even in France without having to ask him any questions.  How do I know?  His time line/zone posting are totally off in the video and on here.  The room that he's filming is the same room he's in an older video.  I didn't bother to push the case because at least he's not a troll that tries to paint and go around and say "Promeus is shit" all over Youtube.

Excuses me for avoiding this kind of beahvior spread.
Funny how it ok to you since he's saying the movie is awesome.
If he said otherwise you would be all over him saying that he know shit...


Quote from: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 09:42:59 PM
^ Peter O' Toole style. ;) So funny.

Yes lol.
Did you notice that the shot from comiccon where he's crying comes from that scene?
More proof that the movie has been largely recut.
Title: Just back from the imax screening of Prometheus
Post by: robertmartin on May 31, 2012, 10:26:41 PM
It is such an adrenalin rush of a film. All characters are beautifully woven especially David and Vickers. The film is strikingly stand-alone and in many ways deserves to be seen as such. I also felt seeing in IMAX (or 3d) was glorious. Moreover, I have so many questions about the film which I can't wait to read this forums thoughts about as it receives its worldwide release. This is the movie I've been waiting for..for a very long time.

It is a beautiful film.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xan21 on May 31, 2012, 10:28:12 PM
Just came back from it, I liked it, I would give it 4 out of 5, I felt something shots were missing in the final movie though (which I hate when that happens)

The opening shots are beautiful

The Storm scene was great, wished it would have lasted a bit longer, but this was very intense and suspenseful

Great acting from the leads, but I wanted a bit more Charlize

Ending was a bit predictable
Spoiler
(Xenomorph)
[close]

I have to say that I hate 3D though, it gived me headache and the only thing that looks good on it are the subtitles...burning eyes and weird loopy feelings afterwards. Also horrible that its only available in 3D so you are forced to pay extra for your hangover.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: robertmartin on May 31, 2012, 10:36:58 PM
It is such an adrenalin rush of a film. All characters are beautifully woven especially David and Vickers. The film is strikingly stand-alone and in many ways deserves to be seen as such. I also felt seeing in IMAX (or 3d) was glorious. Moreover, I have so many questions about the film which I can't wait to read this forums thoughts about as it receives its worldwide release. This is the movie I've been waiting for..for a very long time.

It is a beautiful film.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Mohawksinspace on May 31, 2012, 10:39:15 PM
I could honestly care who has seen it and who has not.

I'm just not a fan of misinformation for the sake of misinformation.

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: PROM3TH3US on May 31, 2012, 10:47:20 PM
Here's a review from one of the guy from Prometheus Forum so I don't know if it's allowed here.  Pretty indept:
http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1298/prometheus-movie-review-spoiler-free-by-terraformer (http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1298/prometheus-movie-review-spoiler-free-by-terraformer)

QuotePROMETHEUS REVIEW

In late April I bought 2 tickets for IMAX for a midnight screening of Prometheus on the 31st of May (well technically the beginning of June 1st)   Then at 17:00pm on the 31st of May I check my emails and find one from Cineworld to discover that the midnight showing has been changed from 00:00am to 6pm. Their explanation was something happened to their systems or projector so they moved Prometheus to their 2nd IMAX screen which had no showings between 5pm till 9pm. So thank god I checked my email huh. They also sent me the same message via my mobile phone including the reference code so it was all gravy from there on.

So I arrived at the IMAX theatre in Edinburgh and what I found was actually quite shocking and took me by surprise. I found a queue at least a hundred yards long outside the Cineworld. I waited at the back of the queue thinking great the MIB3, snow white or Avengers crowd have shown up.  But then I realized this was for Prometheus. After getting my tickets sorted we arrived inside the screening and I took my seat facing this giant bitch of a screen. Advertisements came on and went away including one epic trailer for Django unchained which will be my next big hyped up anticipated film to see. Then the screen went black and the words 'Prometheus' came on. The 20th century fox intro came on and I felt like I was witnessing the reincarnation of Christ.

I will wait until later till I do a full review so I will keep this spoiler free

3D

The 3D blew me away like no other 3D film has. It wasn't there as a gimmick but rather to suck you into the depth of field. The 3D made the film so gorgeous to look at. I am telling you this; after watching it in 3D and after the DVD comes out you will miss the 3D aspect to the film. This is the ONLY film that 3D has worked wonder IMO.

CINEMATOGRAPHY

Ridley Scott is the kind of man who liked to be behind the camera but allowing the films cinematographer to take over is a wise decision. He did a wonderful and breathtaking job at it. Each shot in this film truly felt like a timeless painting. You can pause at each and every scene and you could then turn it into a poster. That's just how good it looked. I'm now a big fan of the guy who worked behind the camera for this film. And a bonus for me is that the camera isn't shaky and all over the place like most films nowadays. The camera remains still and the picture remains wide and open so you can take in the scenery and HORROR of the scenes.

CGI

This is a great example of how CGI and practical can coexist. Together for the first time on screen IMO the CGI and practical effects seem embraced and in a loving marriage of one another. The CGI looks so real you'd think it was practical. In fact its hard to tell what is practical and CGI in this film

SETS

One word? EPIC. Truly epic. Each and every set is just truly breathtaking to look at even though some pass before our very eyes without truly examining them. And again the use of CGI truly does wonders in adding to the experience. I did however notice a very Gigerish feel to one of them

MUSIC

There have been doubts about this. I for one wasn't too keen on the soundtrack but I got to say you can't ask for better. Each tune and theme fits absolutely perfect with each and every scene. When the HORROR begins to happen the music is not needed due to the level of intensity of the action but the music helps or Helped me because the music felt like a cold shiver down the back of my spine. Very creepy, hauntingly beautiful music in this film.

ACTING

The acting was perfect and good in this film. I was doubtful about the actor playing Holloway due to leaked scenes but he was pitch perfect in this film. I did not just care for one actor/actress I cared for each and every other actor present in the film. Michael Fassbender has given a truly startling but emotional performance.

DIRECTION

Ridley Scott has made some of the most outstanding films of the last 30 or so years. His strength is in visuals and this is by far his best directional work since blade runner.

CREATURES

Without going into spoiler territory I will say this; the creatures apart from the biomechanoid ones are truly fresh and original in the world of scifi. They look like creatures you'd find here on earth. They are fascinating but yet deadly and blood curling.

SPACE JOCKEY

Is the space jockey smaller or larger than the one in alien? A question we have all asked for months now. Well I'm afraid I cant go into details but you know that tall bald headed dude in the trailers? He ain't what you think

PACING

The pacing was just right. The beginning leaves you with wonder and awe and leaves you with a 'WTF just happened?' expression (in a good way). Ridley scott did what Kubrik and Tree of life did but Ridley did it better. Think of the creation scenes from tree of life and the alien influence monoloth scene from 2001: and then give it steroids and you have the opening scene from prometheus.

The first act of the film is all about discovery, characters, mood, brilliant slow camera work, exploration and big ideas.

The 2nd Act is about contact with something beyond our limits of understanding and things become very unsettling and unnerving. Ridley Scott builds the atmosphere and pace up to boiling point.

This is what this film felt like, a kettle slowly boiling to pressure point.

The final act is just all out chaos. People die (all 17 of them) in very quick order and each death is so brutal and different from each other it adds to the tension. There is explosions and flame throwers involved and many very frightening creatures. The action unfolds very quickly. In fact the final act didn't last very long but due to the pacing and tremendous direction from Ridley Scott it feels that these very quick sequence of events last hours. You will literally BE ON THE EDGE OF YOUR SEAT. Then the ending. Jesus I am trying hard not to reveal but it gives you a very big treat.

And when I say big I literally mean BIG.

I understood the backstory and it even tells us about their gods and xenomorphs but you have to be an alien fanboy like me to understand it. I may be wrong as this was my first screening. I need to analyse this film on DVD to understand everything.

REACTIONS

I was too glued to the screen to notice others but I did a few times hear people whimpering and there is not one but a FEW very shocking shocking scenes that made some people gasp and there were 2 screams. My GF gripped my hand and hid her face in my shoulder 4 times. Leaving the cinema many people including a few university noobs and an old couple were discussing the theme of the film and discussing the possibilities of the ancient astronaut theory. The film did its job. It truly did

FINAL THOUGHTS

Every single plot has been done to death when it comes to scifi. I myself thought the other day, "This film shares similarities with 2001: a space odysey, ATMOM, Stargate and Mission to mars and a small flashback scene from AVP' but I was wrong. When nothing is original anymore Prometheus proves that with the right crew, cast and with a little nudge in the right direction then something original can be done. This film IS the best science fiction film of the decade and even longer. This film will be talked about for a long time. All of the other blockbuster films this year are only a shadow to this film. Since 2009 I waited like an impatient bitch for this film and since January 2012 I have thought about hardly anything else. My quest has been answered and was it worth it? Did it live up to the hype? In my opinion yes it did, for me anyway. People on the forum have complained that it isn't the ben hur of science fiction. But it's better than any scifi film thats came out in this century and its the best film thats came out so far this year.

This wouldn't be a review without a negative or two and every film has negatives. Everyone I know who have been dying to see this film have been expecting this film to be on PAR with Alien and expecting it to delve deep into the human psyche, mythology and philosophy. This is a horror film and it truly is a horror film. Is it a masterpiece? No it isn't but what it is: It's the best science Fiction film ever to graze our screens in the 21st century. 2012 is a big year for movies. We have 3 Great directors this year making 3 great films that will make people remember 2012 and those directors are Ridley Scott, Peter Jackson and Quentin Tarantino, the 3 wise men of cinema. Of course teenagers will be more focussed on the massively overrated 'Avengers Assembles', that film directed by the overrated Nolan with the guy dressed as a rubber condom and speaking like Clint Eastwood with a throat infection. Every mature audience member loved this film but I did talk to some teenagers after Prometheus and I wrote down their reviews whilst pretending to be with the BBC movie review channel (wee idiots believed me)

TEEN 1#: There was too much talking and not enough action.

TEEN 2#: The film was like Pandorum meets Dead Space. I didn't understand the film.

TEEN 3#: This film ruined the alien franchise. Because the big weird alien guys created us. But The alien films explained the Predator race created and ruled us. So major plot hole.

TEEN 4#: Yeah but Tom Hardy was good in this film.

TERRAFORMER: What would you rate this film?

TEEN 2#: It's okay but could do with more action. The Avengers FTW

TERRAFORMER: Right I've heard enough. Piss off ya wee bastards

TEEN 3#: Excuse me?

And that's why this film should never have been PG-13 because teenagers brains are too deluded to watch great films. Of course this is my opinion and everyone has one. As a life long fan of the Alien series I will rank Prometheus as an ever worthy instalment of the Alien franchise even if it doesn't have any links to what happens in Alien. This isn't a spoiler but lets say the events in Prometheus never happened: the events in Alien would still happen. Ridley Scott belongs in the SCI-FI genre and I hope he stays there till retirement. It's a great film and I wasn't disappointed with it. I had doubts due to the negative reviews but look on the bright side, there's been more positive reviews than negative. So go and see the film and make up your own minds.         If you didn't like it then why are you still on a PROMETHEUS fan site whining about it? Just go

GRIPES WITH FILM

Yes I have gripes with it. The film is 2 hours long and gives no explanation for many stuff, like the back story of the engineers (sure it gives us OUR back story but not that of the engineers )

The large head monolith wasn't in the film for too long and it served hardly any purpose. The film is only 2 hours. I'm not a fan of composition in films but I think this film would have benefited with explanation. Maybe an extra half hour or hour where we could get to know other characters such as Milburn, Fifield, the other crew members (mechanics not MERCS). I feel 10 of the crew was just there for cannon fodder. The film could have given us an explanation of the damn planetoid they are going to, yeah some of the crew of the film said its a way station but the general audience don't know that. It doesn't explain the origin of the engineers, who they are, where they came from, what's their purpose, why they created us, have they created other species?. Some major characters are good but their performances are cut short, way too short. LV-422 is a large planetoid and why does this movie only explore one small part of this world? I would have been happy with a 3 hour film that explores many themes and different parts of this world. We are left with the possibility of a sequel but I think the budget will be cut short and doubt a busy man like Ridley will return seeing as he wants to do 3 films right now. I actually think Jon Spaiht's script may have been better. I hope we get a chance to read it online or if its included with the bluray as is the tradition with the alien films.

My final gripe is with Guy Pearce, a brilliant actor. Why is he even in this film? He's too young to play an old man. Why not get an older actor, some actor who's in their 60's or 70's to play weyland, it would make more sense. I did not like the prosthetics for old man weyland, he looked like the old guy from the texas chainsaw massacre. I mean there's plenty of old and great actors out there. Malcom McDowel or even Peter O'Toole would have been great as Peter Weyland and made it more believable.

BUT every film has flaws, the godfather had them, alien had them, 2001 had them and so does prometheus I think; need another viewing to analyse it more.

Overall Prometheus is a grand entry to the alien universe. The alien universe has been in trouble since 1986 (I don't regard Aliens equal to Alien as it turned this monstrous alien into a simple creature instead of ALIEN to what we've ever seen before). The Bluray of Prometheus will look great next to my Alien Bluray DVD.

So Ignore the negative reviews and even the good one's including mine (too late suckas) and go see the film. It's better than any film released in 2012 so far. Plus you get to see a return to form by the man who redefined the genre.

RANDOM UNRELATED NOTE

What the f**k is Guillermo del toro talking about? Yeah At the mountains of madness sounds similar when you read the synopsis and premise but it's FAR from similar on screen. That crazy old bastard better stop using lame excuses and adapt my most beloved book.

SCORE

A perfect 9/10

Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 10:51:06 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 10:25:29 PM


Quote from: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 09:42:59 PM
^ Peter O' Toole style. ;) So funny.

Yes lol.
Did you notice that the shot from comiccon where he's crying comes from that scene?
More proof that the movie has been largely recut.

Absolutely. And I'm maybe wrong but I think  that the shot of Janek saying "Kill everything, Do you copy me" in the first Intl. Trailer is not in the movie. Have you noticed that or I'm nut.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 10:53:04 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 10:51:06 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 10:25:29 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 09:42:59 PM
^ Peter O' Toole style. ;) So funny.

Yes lol.
Did you notice that the shot from comiccon where he's crying comes from that scene?
More proof that the movie has been largely recut.
Absolutely. And I'm maybe wrong but I think  that the shot of Janek saying "Kill everything, Do you copy me" in the first Intl. Trailer is not in the movie. Have you noticed that or I'm nut.

I don't remember that shot or specific phrase from trailers but he never says such thing in the movie.
Feel free to add it to the new thread in creted about deleted /modfied scenes ;)
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 10:58:44 PM
Yes. I'm also not sure about this shot.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailer-20120317/normal_finaltrailer042.jpg)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: NGR01 on Jun 01, 2012, 12:02:41 AM
huh this guy havent seen the movie or what?
What he says abut the creatures and the Engineer doesnt compute ^^
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Hive Tyrant on Jun 01, 2012, 12:12:29 AM
All I can say is that I have to see it again. I loved it for sure... but I have to see it again. And then a third time. And then I watch some scenes again, maybe go by them frame by frame.

Because this thing raises a LOT of questions -- more than it answers. Which is fantastic.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Ooze on First on Jun 01, 2012, 12:28:58 AM
Hmmm...after reading all the byplay, I've become suspicious.  ???

If this is indeed a ruse, it reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where George fakes an arm injury and goes so far as to see a doctor.  :laugh:
Only a truly disturbed person would carry it this far.

Perhaps this thread should be locked or deleted entirely.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: PROM3TH3US on Jun 01, 2012, 12:48:45 AM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 10:25:29 PM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 31, 2012, 09:46:39 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 09:32:05 PM
Ok so you've seen the movie and you have forgotten about this.
The movie is so awesome as you say in your review that it blew your mind AND memory.
That is quite a concern forsomeone as young as you mate :)

Lets find another thing then.
What is DAVID doing when he's watching a movie in the opening scenes where he's alone in the Prometheus?
Again simple question and it's something that you can't forget.

Jesus. Both of you give it a rest already.  I'm pretty sure he have not seen the film yet and not even in France without having to ask him any questions.  How do I know?  His time line/zone posting are totally off in the video and on here.  The room that he's filming is the same room he's in an older video.  I didn't bother to push the case because at least he's not a troll that tries to paint and go around and say "Promeus is shit" all over Youtube.

Excuses me for avoiding this kind of beahvior spread.
Funny how it ok to you since he's saying the movie is awesome.
If he said otherwise you would be all over him saying that he know shit...


Quote from: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 09:42:59 PM
^ Peter O' Toole style. ;) So funny.

Yes lol.
Did you notice that the shot from comiccon where he's crying comes from that scene?
More proof that the movie has been largely recut.

I'm sorry but you're are becoming more annoying than he is.  Yeah we all know you don't like the film.  Don't go preaching it to everyone and in every thread and trying to convince everyone else.  It's how you're doing it.  I don't see the harm in him in doing anything really wrong.  All he did was taking all the positive feed back from the incoming reviews and just relaying or spinning it to his own version which isn't totally out of context or false about the movie .  Even though he lied about seeing it doesn't make him some very bad guy.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 01, 2012, 12:56:07 AM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 10:51:06 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 10:25:29 PM


Quote from: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 09:42:59 PM
^ Peter O' Toole style. ;) So funny.

Yes lol.
Did you notice that the shot from comiccon where he's crying comes from that scene?
More proof that the movie has been largely recut.

Absolutely. And I'm maybe wrong but I think  that the shot of Janek saying "Kill everything, Do you copy me" in the first Intl. Trailer is not in the movie. Have you noticed that or I'm nut.

That line sounded like it was from multiple lines cut together though.  Very roughly edited.  Kind of like how the TV spot joined 2 scenes together that were separate - Holloway/Shaw walking and being interrupted by David (before the adventure begins) and Vickers saying, "If you're going down there you're going to die..."
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: Deuterium on Jun 01, 2012, 01:15:02 AM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on Jun 01, 2012, 12:48:45 AM
I'm sorry but you're are becoming more annoying than he is.  Yeah we all know you don't like the film.  Don't go preaching it to everyone and in every thread and trying to convince everyone else.  It's how you're doing it.  I don't see the harm in him in doing anything really wrong.  All he did was taking all the positive feed back from the incoming reviews and just relaying or spinning it to his own version which isn't totally out of context or false about the movie .  Even though he lied about seeing it doesn't make him some very bad guy.

So let me get this straight, my good PROM3TH3US...

You would prefer someone being deceptive, and providing a BOGUS review, as compared to someone who has actually seen the film, and provided their honest impressions and feedback?

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 01:46:16 AM
Ok it's just after 2:30 am and I just got back from seeing Prometheus, I will put a full review up later but it may take a while to write as I'm dead tired, if anyone wants to fire any questions over the next few  hours feel free.

As for what did I think in general, well I thoroughly enjoyed it actually.  Yes there are some problems, most of which were brought up by our trusty friend NGR01 who was, I repeat was, right about everything that happened and obviously did see the movie, and though I do agree with him on most things I have to say, the movie was better than I expected after all the bad stuff that was going around.

I will be back in a few hours (hopefully) with my review... chow for now!!
Title: Re: Just back from the imax screening of Prometheus
Post by: P1NK8C1DBOOTS on Jun 01, 2012, 01:58:03 AM
Agreed such an amazing film, yes it deserves to be a stand alone film but can definitely see the ties with alien for sure! Loved it....want to watch it again!!!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 01:58:37 AM
I'd say the fan reviews are mostly positive..
Title: Re: Just back from the imax screening of Prometheus
Post by: r888 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:00:22 AM
Gald you enjoy it mate I still have to wait till nextweek for my screening
Title: Re: Just back from the imax screening of Prometheus
Post by: duckman5150 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:01:37 AM
Awesone to see your thoughts! I can't wait 'till it opens here in the states!
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: PROM3TH3US on Jun 01, 2012, 02:06:09 AM
Quote from: Deuterium on Jun 01, 2012, 01:15:02 AM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on Jun 01, 2012, 12:48:45 AM
I'm sorry but you're are becoming more annoying than he is.  Yeah we all know you don't like the film.  Don't go preaching it to everyone and in every thread and trying to convince everyone else.  It's how you're doing it.  I don't see the harm in him in doing anything really wrong.  All he did was taking all the positive feed back from the incoming reviews and just relaying or spinning it to his own version which isn't totally out of context or false about the movie .  Even though he lied about seeing it doesn't make him some very bad guy.

So let me get this straight, my good PROM3TH3US...

You would prefer someone being deceptive, and providing a BOGUS review, as compared to someone who has actually seen the film, and provided their honest impressions and feedback?
He might be bogus but how is it him taking pieces of the positive feed back and putting it into his own words is any fake?  It like some site taking all the positive feed back and post on their site of people thoughts on a particular film even when the site host haven't seen the  movie yet.  If a person who spew and make up negative comments about a movie they  haven't seen it yet then that person have some kind of agenda.  There's nothing being an optimistic than a sour puss.  I have no problem with NGR01 haven't his own opinion but I just don't like people being preachy about it.  I think his negative comments have pretty much did a whole lot of damage here and adding fuel to the fire but that's not all his fault but the people who nag him to tell them everything.  Now some people willl work in with a chip on their shoulders and will not enjoy the movie because it's already in their mind they don't like it.  But that's not his problem with the people who join that hate band wagon.
Title: Re: Just back from the imax screening of Prometheus
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 02:09:37 AM
This is by far and away the most awe inspiring film iv seen. Im just back from the screening in Leeds and im blown away by the visual feast that was on offer. Never seen such a good looking film, like Avatar but more reality based if you get what I mean. The cinematography was fantastic and the 3D was a pleasure, which I dont normally think. The last 10 minutes the film ran out of steam i felt, however there is one thing that niggled at me. I felt the death scenes were over waaayy too quickly. Im not a fan of gore but i felt like there had been a lot of editing and shortening of the death scenes and removed the horror of much of them
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: PROM3TH3US on Jun 01, 2012, 02:10:11 AM
Quote from: NGR01 on Jun 01, 2012, 12:02:41 AM
huh this guy havent seen the movie or what?
What he says abut the creatures and the Engineer doesnt compute ^^

Sorry, you're not the center of the World.  Everyone have their own opinion and take on the movie. 
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: jpierpoint on Jun 01, 2012, 02:10:27 AM
Just back in from a midnight showing of the film.  Am tired, so will keep things brief and also spoiler free as I haven't read right through this thread to determine the spoiler policy/level allowed.

Did I like the film? Yes I did.  Did I think it could have been better? Yes.

My knee jerk response is that this was a 3 to 4 hour movie edited down to 2hr 3min.  Things just happen, and keep on happening, one thing after another.  It didn't feel like there was enough reaction to each event before the next one.  Extra running time would have allowed for this. 

Some random thoughts:

1. Character development wasn't deep enough.  There were some cracking characters, portrayed by talented actors, but they didn't have enough room to roam.
2. Space Kojak didn't have enough screen time
3. There are some glaring plot holes but that said they weren't fatal
4. It's now obvious to me that too much was given away in the trailers/virals/TV spots.  That said, at the time I lapped them up like a good little fan boy.
5. The sets, design and cinematography were all superb
6. It's been left wide open for Prometheus 2
7. Going in I was skeptical of the apparent "normal-ness" of the SJ but I have to say they look superb and weirdly alien without being outlandish. Subtle, and one of the highlights for me, now I think about it.
8. David steals the show
9. Vickers is underused and her development is non-linear/inconsistent.  It smacked of heavy editing to get down to a run time.
10. Fifield/Milburn were lame IMO. Their character traits were totally inconsistent with people who would have been there in the first place.
11.  Loved Ford's Scottishness!

Enough already.

The thought that keeps coming back to me is that there was too much stuffed into a 2hr film.  It should have had a much longer run time, with better character development and more time for reaction to significant events OR it should have been simpler, with stuff taken out.  I vote for the longer film btw.

So, to exit where I came it.  It's a good film, very good in fact.  But it could have been great.  I can't wait for the Directors Cut!
Title: Re: Just back from the imax screening of Prometheus
Post by: r888 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:14:36 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 02:09:37 AM
This is by far and away the most awe inspiring film iv seen. Im just back from the screening in Leeds and im blown away by the visual feast that was on offer. Never seen such a good looking film, like Avatar but more reality based if you get what I mean. The cinematography was fantastic and the 3D was a pleasure, which I dont normally think. The last 10 minutes the film ran out of steam i felt, however there is one thing that niggled at me. I felt the death scenes were over waaayy too quickly. Im not a fan of gore but i felt like there had been a lot of editing and shortening of the death scenes and removed the horror of much of them


So everything in the film was great but everyone hated the last 10 minutes

Can I ask some questions for you

How long was peter weyland on screen?
What your favourite character?
Was the ending that bad as people said?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Michael Harper on Jun 01, 2012, 02:14:37 AM
Not writing a review right now because I'm f**king tired, but I can honestly say that I loved every moment of the film. Thought it was visually breathtaking and often very tense. Dozens of little nods to Alien which made me happy, and just overall a great film (obviously, not everybody is gonna like it). The only point I still am digesting, is the final shot. I will be seeing it again to doctor my "weirded outness" but I don't think it was "bad" at all!
Title: Re: Just back from the imax screening of Prometheus
Post by: Michael Harper on Jun 01, 2012, 02:16:29 AM
I didn't hate the last ten minutes. In fact, I loved the last ten minutes. I just didn't understand the last shot! Don't think it was quite needed. But not bad at all.

I thought the film was fantastic! Cannot wait to see it again!

The Engineers are so f**king cool! I need a Hot Toys figure of one!
Title: Re: Just back from the imax screening of Prometheus
Post by: r888 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:18:46 AM
Quote from: Stannis Baratheon on Jun 01, 2012, 02:16:29 AM
I didn't hate the last ten minutes. In fact, I loved the last ten minutes. I just didn't understand the last shot! Don't think it was quite needed. But not bad at all.

I thought the film was fantastic! Cannot wait to see it again!

The Engineers are so f**king cool! I need a Hot Toys figure of one!

But it ties in with alien right?
Title: Re: Just back from the imax screening of Prometheus
Post by: nendo on Jun 01, 2012, 02:21:27 AM
I kinda agree that the last 10 minutes werent the best. As ridley say u defo see the alien dna. But after watching the rest of the film The alien tie in was not needed in my opinion. Didnt real add anything to the story other than a tie in. Could of been done different the last few scenes for sure
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 02:24:49 AM
Like some of you other guys I just got home after the midnight showing - kind of tired but need to put some thoughts down.  Please - this is just my opinion - go see the movie and make up your own mind.

First of all, I went in to the screening with a completely open mind, with the exception of a massive amount of faith in Ridley Scott. I've read various reviews on here and elsewhere, and tried to dismiss some of the more negative comments. When NGR01 came back tearful and disgusted I just thought, 'calm down darling, get a grip' and then when this board went mental with negativity, particularly towards Lindelof, I just couldn't be doing with it any more.

But, I really thought it was dreadful. I am terribly disappointed, after following the production for two years, watching all the trailers and videos, I was so excited. I'm not gonna cry - I have a sense of perspective, it's just a movie and life goes on. But what a wasted opportunity.
Scott has made a beautifully designed and gorgeously shot piece of drivel.

The script is terrible, in my opinion. The overall plot has (had) some potential. The structure of the movie and the scenes themselves lack all logic, the motivations of the characters make no sense, and some of the dialogue is risible.

I'm not sure if a spoiler tag is warranted here, but best to be safe.

Spoiler

Example of illogical scenes.

The arrival. This trillion dollar ship is manned by a crew who get nothing more by way of a briefing on the mission than 2 minutes of blurb from Charlie Holloway and some laughable inferences from Shaw. To their credit, the others do laugh. I had the same feeling as Ripley when she said, "This is a maximum security prison and you have no weapons of any kind"
Yes, we the audience are indeed "f**ked"

Then they land. Coming down immediately on the valley with the pyramids. Out of how many million square kilometres of the planet's surface? Now, the opening blurb says they arrive on Dec 21 2093 (I think), but when they land Charlie says it's christmas and wants to open his presents. Maybe they spent four days surveying from orbit and the movie is edited badly, or maybe Charlie mis-spoke.
Whichever it is, Shaw definitely signs off the movie on "New Year's day 2094" so somewhere from 7 to 10 days has passed. Funny, only feels like a day and a bit. Certainly only the one night when F and M were stuck in the pyramid. Sigh.

In Shaw and Holloway's quarters, he upsets her by accidentally referring to her inability to have children. Then, to shut her up, they get it on. Mmm, I'd be giving him the cold shoulder. Despite the fact that he is jolly fit - I'd gladly take a dollop of squiddly...
Yeah, anyway, LMG is okay - his character is obviously meant to be slightly twattish, and that's fine - not everyone in movies is meant to be likeable. I would have like to seen more of him though, to understand why Shaw was with him, how their relationship worked, but he ended up being crisped all too quickly.

So, Shaw is to be frozen, but she knocks out Ford and someone else and rushes to the medpod to remove squiddly. Despite it being such an advanced piece of kit, one of only a few in existence apparently, she knows how to work it. Meanwhile, nothing's done to chase her - everyone else calmly gets on with waking up Weyland. When she returns covered in blood, no-one's surprised, no-one asks her where she's been or even if she's alright. It's like, oh f**k, we were gonna freeze you weren't we, duh - just clean forgot. silly us.

Character motivations. Well, where to start. Ravel and Chance commit suicide with Janek because "he's a shit pilot" and then they say they'll collect their bets on the 'other side'. Please. Then Holloway also willingly gets fried. If I was infected and in pain I'd be screaming for someone to help me - get me to that amazing medpod (that you can work Eli), but work like f**k to keep me alive. Don't burn me to death... HELP ME.
Fifield and Milburn. Why?  So, a geologist, even a slightly balmy geologist, shouts right in the face of a meek woman after ten minutes in a dark tunnel because there are no rocks for him to look at? Then, as others have pointed out, the guy responsible for mapping the tunnels gets lost!

And when things start to go pear shaped, there's no evidence of a command structure or of mounting a logical response to events, even though they apparently occur over several days. When F and M are lost in the pyramid during the storm, the most helpful thing that Janek can offer is a suggestion that they shouldn't bugger each other. I mean, WHAT?  You said WHAT??

Other niggles.

Peter Weyland. Why is he played by Guy Pearce? The makeup is terrible. Get a decent old actor.

The new xeno - looks like Sil. Shit.

Little squiddly looks cool. Big squiddly you don't see too well.  I'm not sure what these creatures add to the movie at all.

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God, that's it, I'm going to bed. If I think of anything else I'll add it later, I just had to unload.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 02:28:19 AM
Drivel???  Yeah, get some sleep. :)
Title: Re: Just back from the imax screening of Prometheus
Post by: Samayel on Jun 01, 2012, 02:29:05 AM
Quote from: r888 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:14:36 AMSo everything in the film was great but everyone hated the last 10 minutes

Can I ask some questions for you

How long was peter weyland on screen?
What your favourite character?
Was the ending that bad as people said?

1. About 10-12 mins.

2. David, he and Shaw are the only two characters that felt fully realised to me. The rest are charicatures and cannon fodder essentially.

3. Yep the ending is truly cringeworthy. Getting rid of Giger was a huge mistake, but doubt even one of his superb designs could have saved the final scene.
Spoiler
The new chest burster looks just like the black creature from Predators, with an elongated skull.
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Maybe my opinion of this movie will improve with a few more viewings. It does look fantastic, but at the moment seems like a masterclass of style over substance, and a two hour build up for Prometheus 2.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 02:29:35 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 02:28:19 AM
Drivel???  Yeah, get some sleep. :)
Oh, you've seen it Bethesda? :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 02:31:31 AM
Lolz...no...just giving him a hard time, hence the emoticon.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 02:33:21 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 02:28:19 AM
Drivel???  Yeah, get some sleep. :)

Like I say, only my opinion. I'm aware you have a positive feeling towards the film, which is great, and I genuinely hope you enjoy it. I hope everyone enjoys it. But I'm afraid I did not.

I really wish I didn't feel this way about it. I was soooo looking forward  to it.

Bum
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 02:34:07 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 02:31:31 AM
Lolz...no...just giving him a hard time, hence the emoticon.
I knew that :P I was just giving you a hard time. ;D
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 02:37:27 AM
Well I'm annoyed ... the trailers and TV spots gave literally everything away.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 02:38:09 AM
If it's any use at all - the design, the cinematography and effects were immaculate. They might just have built a trillion dollar starship and filmed on LV-223 it looked that good.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Alienseseses on Jun 01, 2012, 02:38:53 AM
Here's my question... Most big budget movies I saw recently that I didn't like (Cowboys and Aliens, Green Lantern) were dreadfully boring. Was anyone bored by this movie?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 02:41:30 AM
I wouldn't say I'm positively predispositioned to like the film, I'm just cautiously optimistic. I just read 5 glowing reviews of the film from other UK residents....such a dichotomy.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 02:43:43 AM
The film's good ... it is ... but its worst enemy is the editing, which really kicks the legs out from under it. I'll write a review.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 02:46:28 AM
Can't wait to read it, Valaquen. Really appreciate your take on the franchise in general. :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Prime113 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:46:37 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 02:43:43 AM
The film's good ... it is ... but its worst enemy is the editing, which really kicks the legs out from under it. I'll write a review.

Hmmmm. That is strange. Almost everyone has said the editing is pretty awful, so I looked up who did the editing, and its the same guy Ridley has used for 15 years. Wonder what happened.  :-\
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: PROM3TH3US on Jun 01, 2012, 02:50:17 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 02:43:43 AM
The film's good ... it is ... but its worst enemy is the editing, which really kicks the legs out from under it. I'll write a review.
Editing...Haven't we heard that before?  I'm more anticipated for the Blu-ray sets with the longer DC. 
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 02:50:43 AM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:46:37 AM
Hmmmm. That is strange. Almost everyone has said the editing is pretty awful, so I looked up who did the editing, and its the same guy Ridley has used for 15 years. Wonder what happened.  :-\
Film has probably been severely trimmed to get a two hour runtime (ala ALIEN 3) for more showings per day, I'd imagine. That R rating was likely a double-edged sword.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 02:51:21 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 02:41:30 AM
I wouldn't say I'm positively predispositioned to like the film, I'm just cautiously optimistic. I just read 5 glowing reviews of the film from other UK residents....such a dichotomy.

Okay, cautiously optimistic (a good description of my feelings too before tonight). I hope you like it I really do. As for the dichotomy, I don't necessarily find that strange; it would probably be true of most things in life that different people have different feelings about various things. I, for instance, think Charlie Brooker is a comedy genius, and one of my colleague swishes he would curl up and die. A dichotomy, and perfectly understandable.

I hope that a dichotomy in our views of Prometheus will remain after you see it.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Prime113 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:51:58 AM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on Jun 01, 2012, 02:50:17 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 02:43:43 AM
The film's good ... it is ... but its worst enemy is the editing, which really kicks the legs out from under it. I'll write a review.
Editing...Haven't we heard that before?  I'm more anticipated for the Blu-ray sets with the longer DC.

If there is a directors cut, that will not fix the overall editing. Yeah, it might help a few scene transition better, but I don't think that's the problem here.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: First Blood on Jun 01, 2012, 02:53:15 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 02:50:43 AM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:46:37 AM
Hmmmm. That is strange. Almost everyone has said the editing is pretty awful, so I looked up who did the editing, and its the same guy Ridley has used for 15 years. Wonder what happened.  :-\
Film has probably been severely trimmed to get a two hour runtime (ala ALIEN 3) for more showings per day, I'd imagine. That R rating was likely a double-edged sword.

And now we have to wait for the Blu-ray release for the intented version, if they even give us an extented cut. Double edged sword indeed.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: PROM3TH3US on Jun 01, 2012, 02:56:00 AM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:46:37 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 02:43:43 AM
The film's good ... it is ... but its worst enemy is the editing, which really kicks the legs out from under it. I'll write a review.

Hmmmm. That is strange. Almost everyone has said the editing is pretty awful, so I looked up who did the editing, and its the same guy Ridley has used for 15 years. Wonder what happened.  :-\

LOL, I was about to write that in my other post but I wasn't sure if he is using the same editor all these years.  Same problem with him sticking with Marc Streitenfeld after dropping Zimmer.  I guessed it's true Ridley is a puppet master and will only work well with the people who will do his bidding without confrontation.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Shasvre on Jun 01, 2012, 02:56:10 AM
Just came back from this and here are some quick thoughts.

[HERE BE SPOILERS!]

This was a bit hit and miss, in my opinion. I really liked the cast and especially Fassbender delivered a great performance. Rapace and Theron were good as well and I also took a liking to the characters Fifield and Millburn. The opening was my favorite part of the movie and I really liked what they did with the Engineers, even if the movie didn't really answered any of the questions about them the main characters had. Holloway was a total douche and I wasn't the least bit sorry to see him go up in flames. I must admit that I'm very disappointed about the way they killed off Vickers however. It felt like such a waste and I would much rather have seen her survive along with Shaw.

I loved the look of the movie, it was beautifuly shot. The design of both the Engineers and some of the creatures were great. Don't really know what to make of that last shot though, the look of that thing didn't really sit well with me. Looked kinda fake, to be honest. Same goes for old man Weyland, that wasn't very convincing.

It wasn't a bad movie though and I'm looking forward to seeing if the Director's Cut can solve some of it's problems.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Virgil on Jun 01, 2012, 02:57:23 AM
You'll have to excuse this post. It's half past three in the morning and I am shattered.

After a half hour drive home (and some intense thinking) I've decided to remove my initial reaction and start afresh. My gut feeling upon walking out was disappointment. Now I'm tucked up in bed my feelings are shifting slightly. Flawed or not, you have to tip your hat to 20th Century Fox for giving this a summer release. I've been left with existential thoughts I highly doubt any other 'blockbuster' will come to for years.

The first fifteen mintues are some of the best I've ever seen from Ridley. Absolutely jaw dropping. It kills me that I cannot say the same about the ending.

Honestly though, people on this thread have expressed their feeling far better than I could hope.

A word of warning though, those expecting anything close to an Alien film (any of them) will be severely let down.

As for the 3D? This film (personally) is the best I have ever seen it used. You'd be doing yourself a massive injustice by seeing this film in 2D.

Goodnight  :)




Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 02:57:59 AM
Quote from: Laufey on Jun 01, 2012, 02:56:10 AM
Holloway was a total douche and I wasn't the least bit sorry to see him go up in flames.
:)

<3
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Prime113 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:58:13 AM
Quote from: First Blood on Jun 01, 2012, 02:53:15 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 02:50:43 AM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:46:37 AM
Hmmmm. That is strange. Almost everyone has said the editing is pretty awful, so I looked up who did the editing, and its the same guy Ridley has used for 15 years. Wonder what happened.  :-\
Film has probably been severely trimmed to get a two hour runtime (ala ALIEN 3) for more showings per day, I'd imagine. That R rating was likely a double-edged sword.

And now we have to wait for the Blu-ray release for the intented version, if they even give us an extented cut. Double edged sword indeed.

I thought Ridley and other people at FOX said that there wasn't a whole lot if any cut out...?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 02:59:49 AM
Just back from the midnight showing up in Leeds and i have to say, overall, im very pleased with Prometheus.
I have never seen a more beautiful piece of modern film making, and i would say that the cinematography is even better than the likes of Lord of the Rings. I even found that the 3D is very effective in immersing you in the film, it is done just as well if not better than Avatar. The 3D especially helped with the lighting in the Juggernaut, the interior 3D shots are very good. Prometheus is no doubt a treat for the eyes.
Having read many reviews by other members and critics my chief concern going into the film was a lack of characterisation in some of the characters, however i think this has been blown out of proportion. We learn about the characters who matter. Shaw and David are the two strongholds to the story, and their relationships with Holloway and Vickers respectively, are crucial to the story. Other charcaters such as Janek, Fifield and Milburn are all well rounded character who we come to like (Idris Elba is a f**king badass in this). While other characters such as Chance and Ravel are also given sufficient screen time for the audience to understand their bond and relationship, however I would have preferred a little more time with them because when they meet their fate you dont really give too much of a damn. The rest of the crew are just canon fodder and i wouldnt expect them to be fleshed out. What i will say, and i will come back to this, is that its quite obvious the film has been slimmed down, and i feel that the majority of the slimming has cut out quite a bit of character interaction.
I found the score somewhat underwhelming, however it did keep the pace of the film and the tension was high enough to be able to feel it in the cinema so i guess it served its purpose on that level. I put my disappointed down to the fact that i watched Alien recently.
Story wise, i thought it was very well rounded. It did ask a lot of questions and few were answered however it is obvious that Prometheus is a 'To Be Continued' film. I don't particularly have a problem with that because the film can stand alone, its just the last minutes are there as a set up for the sequel. This is not a bad thing in my book. Although not all the answer are given, Prometheus is a sturdy story, not spectacular but doesn't indulge itself too much and come off the rails. It never loses focus and drives steadily right up until the end. As i said before a sequel is necessary to wrap up the story, and thinking back Prometheus is almost definitely written as a two parter, which i find encouraging. This means that Ridley already knows the story to part two, this means we know at least the film has direction.
The true negative i have about Prometheus is the editing, or more specifically the editing choices that were made. Throughout the film it felt like we were missing out on dialogue between characters and as though scenes were missing. I think the film would have benefited greatly from cutting the last 10 minutes or so off and spreading it around the rest of the film. I found that many of the death scenes were not long or gory enough. Now im not a fan of the whole 'Saw-gore' that is around these days, however , like most adults today it takes a lot to shock or scare me. I'm not saying the film wasn't scary but if felt that death scenes should have been longer, case in point Fifields death, it just didn't have the blow that it should have. Everyone was raving about this being an R-rated by the MPAA and 15 over here, this lead me to the question watching the film, was this film actually shot as an18? I call bullshit on Rothman saying it that not one shot was cut. It is obvious many shots were cut. There's no doubt the DVD will be an 18 certificate because watching the film i had the feeling like scenes had more to give. I believe that Prometheus was cut from being an 18 (NC17) to a 15 (R), and Fox thought this would please the fans.
On an ending note, never have i enjoyed a single character as much as i did tonight. I genuinely looked forward to seeing David. Fassbender puts in a scene stealing performance, however its the character i fell in love with. David's child like behaviour and thirst for knowledge and endearing. The depth that was written into David is most impressive and I have to congratulate Spaihts and Lindelof on creating this character for us. I also very much enjoyed the look and presence of the engineers. They were both human and alien at the same time. Their symmetrical faces were unnerving and they have been created into genuinely disturbing characters. I think the film did well not to tell too much about them as a race a that removes the mystery and the terror behind them (Much like Aliens- Xeno + Queen = Bug). Prometheus, for me personally is a triumph. Whilst not perfect it shows Ridley Scott is one of the greatest visual directors to grace film, i just feel lucky im around to see what he creates.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 03:00:16 AM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:58:13 AM
I thought Ridley and other people at FOX said that there wasn't a whole lot if any cut out...?
Why would they say if there was? That would be bad for box office.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: First Blood on Jun 01, 2012, 03:01:00 AM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:58:13 AM
I thought Ridley and other people at FOX said that there wasn't a whole lot if any cut out...?

True, but one thing I keep seeing pop up in these reviews are issues with the editing. So it makes me think there's more than what was shown onscreen.
Title: Re: Just back from the imax screening of Prometheus
Post by: jonc2006 on Jun 01, 2012, 03:01:51 AM
I wonder why Guy Pearce was stating his Weyland character was only in the film for "about a minute" then.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Virgil on Jun 01, 2012, 03:02:23 AM
Lets play Devils advocate....I liked Charlie Holloway.   ;D

He's an arrogant prick. But that is his character.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 03:02:31 AM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on Jun 01, 2012, 02:56:00 AM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:46:37 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 02:43:43 AM
The film's good ... it is ... but its worst enemy is the editing, which really kicks the legs out from under it. I'll write a review.

Hmmmm. That is strange. Almost everyone has said the editing is pretty awful, so I looked up who did the editing, and its the same guy Ridley has used for 15 years. Wonder what happened.  :-\

LOL, I was about to write that in my other post but I wasn't sure if he is using the same editor all these years.  Same problem with him sticking with Marc Streitenfeld after dropping Zimmer.  I guessed it's true Ridley is a puppet master and will only work well with the people who will do his bidding without confrontation.

Spoiler
It's really only the final 20 minutes that looks severaly edited, everything else was fine and looked great, the Squid thing was hard to see most of the time but looked ok the Xeno-Burster isn't as bad as some say, but it really just seems out of place
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 03:04:44 AM
Quote from: Virgil_uk on Jun 01, 2012, 03:02:23 AM
I feel like should play devils advocate here....I liked the character Charlie Holloway.   ;D

He's mine  :-*
Title: Re: Just back from the imax screening of Prometheus
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 03:05:44 AM
Quote from: r888 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:14:36 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 02:09:37 AM
This is by far and away the most awe inspiring film iv seen. Im just back from the screening in Leeds and im blown away by the visual feast that was on offer. Never seen such a good looking film, like Avatar but more reality based if you get what I mean. The cinematography was fantastic and the 3D was a pleasure, which I dont normally think. The last 10 minutes the film ran out of steam i felt, however there is one thing that niggled at me. I felt the death scenes were over waaayy too quickly. Im not a fan of gore but i felt like there had been a lot of editing and shortening of the death scenes and removed the horror of much of them


So everything in the film was great but everyone hated the last 10 minutes

Can I ask some questions for you

How long was peter weyland on screen?
What your favourite character?
Was the ending that bad as people said?

he was only in it for about 10 minutes however he does play a big role still in the plot.
David was fantastic i smiled everytime he was on screen, bot mischievious and calculated.
The ending just seemed tacked on somewhat. the film runs smoothly right up until the last 10 mins and then your like... Doohhhhh. Didnt need it all to be honest.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 03:05:57 AM
DONT TELL ME WHO IT IS BUT.....IS THE SECOND ANDROID REVEALED?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: PROM3TH3US on Jun 01, 2012, 03:06:33 AM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:58:13 AM
Quote from: First Blood on Jun 01, 2012, 02:53:15 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 02:50:43 AM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:46:37 AM
Hmmmm. That is strange. Almost everyone has said the editing is pretty awful, so I looked up who did the editing, and its the same guy Ridley has used for 15 years. Wonder what happened.  :-\
Film has probably been severely trimmed to get a two hour runtime (ala ALIEN 3) for more showings per day, I'd imagine. That R rating was likely a double-edged sword.

And now we have to wait for the Blu-ray release for the intented version, if they even give us an extented cut. Double edged sword indeed.

I thought Ridley and other people at FOX said that there wasn't a whole lot if any cut out...?

That's what they want you to believe.  Ridley like he said is also a business man.  You either play the right card or the wrong card and they might have play it safe and worried that it might be too long and boring and want to push the movie along.  I still haven't forgotten what Fox make Ridley do to Kingdom Of Heaven so I don't trust Rothman.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Virgil on Jun 01, 2012, 03:07:22 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 03:05:57 AM
DONT TELL ME WHO IT IS BUT.....IS THE SECOND ANDROID REVEALED?

Alright, there is an answer for this. Spoiler though...

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There isn't one.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 03:10:30 AM
not so much the dialogue but did anyone else think the deaths were cut short of how they were intended to be seen, all of them were over far too quick with little or no reaction,
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even Holloways death was quick
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. the pacing was a bit too quick i felt.

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I actually really came to like Holloway, and LMGs acting was convincing especially towards the end of his characters life.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Virgil on Jun 01, 2012, 03:12:59 AM
hfeldhaus,

You might want to throw some spoiler tags over that post pal  :) some people haven't seen it yet!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 03:15:30 AM
sorry, noting too revealing tho  ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 03:17:29 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 03:10:30 AM
not so much the dialogue but did anyone else think the deaths were cut short of how they were intended to be seen, all of them were over far too quick with little or no reaction, even Holloways death was quick. the pacing was a bit too quick i felt.

I actually really came to like Holloway, and LMGs acting was convincing especially towards the end of his characters life.

Spoiler
The Hammerpede attack on Milburn was definately cut short, and the part where it's supposed to come out of him and get into someone else (Ford I think) has actually been changed, now the creature just goes back into the ooze
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:20:38 AM
For all that have seen the movie and were disappointed by it, do you feel the same way about Prometheus as the SW prequels?  In your opinion, was it that much of a tainting to the original Alien films?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 03:23:36 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:20:38 AM
For all that have seen the movie and were disappointed by it, do you feel the same way about Prometheus as the SW prequels?  In your opinion, was it that much of a tainting to the original Alien films?

i am in no way disappointed with Prometheus, its a great film and lives up to the hype in my opinion. It doesnt really step on the toes of alien that much apart from the ending. This is a stand alone film for sure.


Quote from: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 03:17:29 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 03:10:30 AM
not so much the dialogue but did anyone else think the deaths were cut short of how they were intended to be seen, all of them were over far too quick with little or no reaction, even Holloways death was quick. the pacing was a bit too quick i felt.

I actually really came to like Holloway, and LMGs acting was convincing especially towards the end of his characters life.

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The Hammerpede attack on Milburn was definately cut short, and the part where it's supposed to come out of him and get into someone else (Ford I think) has actually been changed, now the creature just goes back into the ooze
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Fifields was too,unbelievably short. Do you feel, like me, that the film held back on the gore and horror level? i really felt like i was watching an 18 cut down to a 15!
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Virgil on Jun 01, 2012, 03:25:10 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:20:38 AM
For all that have seen the movie and were disappointed by it, do you feel the same way about Prometheus as the SW prequels?  In your opinion, was it that much of a tainting to the original Alien films?

Not at all. If anything (personally), it just adds to the mystery. In fact, with a few hours to dwell on it, it really adds someting to the whole franchise. I won't divulge further  :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 03:25:56 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:20:38 AM
For all that have seen the movie and were disappointed by it, do you feel the same way about Prometheus as the SW prequels?  In your opinion, was it that much of a tainting to the original Alien films?

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The only things that bothered me was the editing of the last 20 minutes in which its obvious things are missing, and the pointless Xeno burster, which didn't look that bad, just totally out of place.  Overall I was satisfied, it's clearly a prequel that's trying to be something grander, but in the end the movies near downfall is that final scene which just didn't need to be there
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 03:26:21 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:20:38 AM
For all that have seen the movie and were disappointed by it, do you feel the same way about Prometheus as the SW prequels?  In your opinion, was it that much of a tainting to the original Alien films?

Not at all. I would have no issue with a certain amount of revisionism or ret-conning (or whatever it's called), or even coming up with explanations for things in Alien. I don't see anything in Prometheus tainting Alien at all.

My issue is totally and utterly to do with what I perceive as a bad execution of the story - not of the filming or the performances (Fassbender remains my favourite actor of recent times), but the script. Illogical scenarios, illogical character behaviour and poor dialogue.

In my opinion.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Virgil on Jun 01, 2012, 03:28:40 AM
Quote from: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 03:25:56 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:20:38 AM
For all that have seen the movie and were disappointed by it, do you feel the same way about Prometheus as the SW prequels?  In your opinion, was it that much of a tainting to the original Alien films?

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The only things that bothered me was the editing of the last 20 minutes in which its obvious things are missing, and the pointless Xeno burster, which didn't look that bad, just totally out of place
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Yeah, that scene did nothing for me at all. It felt like somebody mentioned at the last minute to throw something a little 'Alien' in the film.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 03:28:52 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 01, 2012, 03:26:21 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:20:38 AM
For all that have seen the movie and were disappointed by it, do you feel the same way about Prometheus as the SW prequels?  In your opinion, was it that much of a tainting to the original Alien films?

Not at all. I would have no issue with a certain amount of revisionism or ret-conning (or whatever it's called), or even coming up with explanations for things in Alien. I don't see anything in Prometheus tainting Alien at all.

My issue is totally and utterly to do with what I perceive as a bad execution of the story - not of the filming or the performance (Fassbender remains my favourite actor of recent times), but the script. Illogical scenarios, illogical characterer behaviour and poor dialogue.

In my opinion.

Yeah some of the dialogue was corny but nothing that you shake your head at in shame. A lot of people are hating on Logan marshall green but i actually thought he did a pretty good job
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 03:34:53 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 03:28:52 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 01, 2012, 03:26:21 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:20:38 AM
For all that have seen the movie and were disappointed by it, do you feel the same way about Prometheus as the SW prequels?  In your opinion, was it that much of a tainting to the original Alien films?

Not at all. I would have no issue with a certain amount of revisionism or ret-conning (or whatever it's called), or even coming up with explanations for things in Alien. I don't see anything in Prometheus tainting Alien at all.

My issue is totally and utterly to do with what I perceive as a bad execution of the story - not of the filming or the performance (Fassbender remains my favourite actor of recent times), but the script. Illogical scenarios, illogical characterer behaviour and poor dialogue.

In my opinion.

Yeah some of the dialogue was corny but nothing that you shake your head at in shame. A lot of people are hating on Logan marshall green but i actually thought he did a pretty good job

Yes I liked LMG too!  He's a kind of sweet but cocky guy, who I think does a fine job with what little he has.

However, do we really need to hear Janek telling Fifield not to 'bugger' Milburn while they're lost?
Other lines do make cringe - "My job is to make sure you do yours" Yuk
"I'll collect on the other side"  bleugh
"They mostly come at night. Mostly"  Oh christ... oh hang on
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Virgil on Jun 01, 2012, 03:38:20 AM
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There's also Janek and Vickers..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18TLHhhHZCA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18TLHhhHZCA#)

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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 03:40:43 AM
Well, at the risk of bringing down the wrath of some other contributors, I have no idea what the point of Vicker's character was. I think the movie would have worked equally well without her.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 03:41:36 AM
Quote from: Virgil_uk on Jun 01, 2012, 03:38:20 AM
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There's also Janek and Vickers..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18TLHhhHZCA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18TLHhhHZCA#)

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arrrrgghh yeah, thats was just awkward watch, felt really really forced. like someone said the stories there its just done in a lazy way at some points. And why did Idris not just use his 'StringerBellBaltimore' accent. Its fine in this but meh...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 03:56:21 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 01, 2012, 03:40:43 AM
Well, at the risk of bringing down the wrath of some other contributors, I have no idea what the point of Vicker's character was. I think the movie would have worked equally well without her.

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Vickers was a torn character in the end, between being a natural leader and getting a job done, who sought to do the right thing when it mattered. Her character was far too underused and she should have lived for me. She was obviously opposed to her fathers motives for the mission but cared a great deal for him too. 
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Divpax on Jun 01, 2012, 04:11:34 AM
Wow.

Back from the 00.10 screening at the Glasgow cineworld and let me just say I am amazed! It had one of the greatest openings of any film I have ever seen, the 3D was absolutely gorgeous and was without a doubt the best I have seen in the format. Visually, the film is pure candy to the eyes, shoot in a truely stunning manor surpassing Alien itself. My biggest compliment however is David, Fassbender simply steals the show. My only real complaint is what happens in the last 30 seconds, the open ending itself was fine but
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The proto-alien looks pretty bad, the human like teeth I loved but the whole shape and colour just felt off.
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I did have the misfortune of seeing it with 2 friends whose opinions can be summed up as "was alright, too hyped though." and it was very hard for me not to show my excitement.

Just re-watched ALIEN before writing this and I'm honestly not sure what is the better film. No I'm not giving it a score out of ten my opinion on it should be plenty clear without having to number it.
Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: BerserkerPred on Jun 01, 2012, 04:49:20 AM
Ok, just woke up.

First off, I did see the film, can't understand why that's so fúcking hard for you guys to understand...

and I filmed myself in the guest room, a room I have NEVER filmed in before, so idk why you thought i have...

Spoiler

David was dying his hair blonde while watching LoA

Even though I can't remember that many SPECIFIC small details about the film, I remember the dialogue being a bit cheesy at times like when Shaw says something about those "fancy super surgery bay thingys" and Vickers responds with "there were only 12 of them ever made" for some reason that just made me roll my eyes or when she says "he turned the camera off on me" I was like DUUUHHHH those were really the only lines that kinda urked me, most the other lines I was alright with
(loved David's line he gives to the Space Engineer before it gets pissed just wished I could remember it)

Also I was fine with a lot of the "unsolved mysteries" like why the Engineers created Human Life and then exterminate them later....I just hope they address that in the sequel.

ALSO IDK why right as Vickers is killed she seemingly runs INTO/UNDERNEATH the thing that lands on her? I thought that was kinda weird.

And Fifield (whatever his name was) as a mutated person was a bit weird-looking to me I could have done without that.

I will admit that the Weyland twist (him wanting the Engineers' powers/abilities and being Vickers' father) I did not see coming, even though I probably should have.

But in the long run I was still fine with most the stuff I've heard complaints about.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Kimo on Jun 01, 2012, 04:56:56 AM
Just got back from seeing Prometheus...

First you know when you have a film thats average and another that is awsome? Well  Prometheus fits somewhere between them 2 categories. Its not average but it is also not awsome. I would say some were in the safe zone.

The good and bad
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Good:
It looks amazing.

Most of the Actors are great, i would say about 85% of them played there roles pretty well. Michael Fassbender was my favorite.

Inside the pyramid/engineer ship was awsome.

The engineer(s) looked good, i was thinking that a humanoid jockey dude would look pretty silly but i was shocked that he looked pretty dam good.

The ancient astronaut theory i dig. But with this type of film some will hate the idea that us humans came from the jockey race. But i like how Shaw still holds on to her cross and says something on the lines of who was the Jockey's creator. (well something like that)
When Shaw removes that squid looking thing from her belly it was great and tense.
I was glad we did get to see a form of xeno at the end of the film, even if it was just a 10second money shot for the fans.

Bad:
Music felt wrong, it was defo on the other end of the spectrum then what the score from Alien was. However dont get me wrong, the music itself was good it just felt it should of been in a differnt film. I did hear some music/sounds from Alien in Prometheus but it was very short lived. Also i felt the score(s) were sometime over used in parts of the film that would of been more tense if the was no music at all. (watch Alien and Aliens and even JC The Thing and you will know what i mean.)

The actor who plays Ford her accent was annoying. (personal option)

More engineer time would of been nice

WTF was that thing that came from shaw when it attack the jockey? i would not say it was bad, i just do not know what to think of it?

Overall:

I liked it but i am defo going to have to rewatch it afew more times to give my final verdict, but for now it is defo on the positive side. Prometheus was never going to be what Alien was, because the thing that worked for Alien was its mystery and horror. Every one of us on this forum pre Prometheus had our own ideas and theories of what the Jocky was, and why was the Alien created? Prometheus gives us a little taste of this, some of it works well and some of it leaves more questions than answers.

I like the way at the end of the film Shaw and David set sail to the jockeys homeworld, but you are left thinking is that the Derelict ship that somehow ends up on LV426? f**k knows cos Scott leaves all doors open and this is a good thing because it leaves Ripleys story alone, but at the same time making other possibilities for a sequel to a prequel. I just wish Prometheus was more darker like Alien was, but for what it was it was a safe ride. :)

Why typing this just now, i had the perfect thought of how to view Prometheus. It is like being a horny virgin and your hormones are raging to get your leg over. Then you finally get your leg over and done the deed, But it was never as awsome as your imagination wanted it to be, but the dirty deed was overall good. :D

Oh and another thing is that at the end of the film people were clapping... now i live in the UK and up north i never hear people clap infact this was my first time hearing people clap.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 05:01:54 AM
Quote from: Kimo on Jun 01, 2012, 04:56:56 AM
Oh and another thing is that at the end of the film people were clapping... now i live in the UK and up north i never hear people clap infact this was my first time hearing people clap.

In my local (Chatham) there was some restrained clapping and whooping when the BBFC card came up, and stony silence at the end. No idea what anyone else thought (I was there alone, and most others were in big groups, mostly late teens and about three people my age - 40 - or older), but there was no clapping.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Kimo on Jun 01, 2012, 05:09:37 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 01, 2012, 05:01:54 AM
Quote from: Kimo on Jun 01, 2012, 04:56:56 AM
Oh and another thing is that at the end of the film people were clapping... now i live in the UK and up north i never hear people clap infact this was my first time hearing people clap.

In my local (Chatham) there was some restrained clapping and whooping when the BBFC card came up, and stony silence at the end. No idea what anyone else thought (I was there alone, and most others were in big groups, mostly late teens and about three people my age - 40 - or older), but there was no clapping.

Might be a area thing. i am from middlesbrough and had go to newcastle to watch it on the IMAX and its the first time i heard clapping at a end of a film. not everyone was clapping but a good few were. However people were going mad CLAPPING over the Spiderman trailer it looked pretty cool in 3D.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Vickers on Jun 01, 2012, 05:21:59 AM
2 questions for those of you who have seen it:

Spoiler
How far into the film is Vickers's death? :'(
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Is her death a result of being heroic and perhaps saving Shaw who had fallen?  Or does she just not manage to outrun the rolling derelict?
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I'm not expecting very accurate answers and it would help if more than one person can answer me because then I have a better idea.

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I'm so disappointed with the way such a badass character dies. >:( So I want to prepare myself for further disappointment if she's not in the film much.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 05:30:39 AM
Quote from: Vickers on Jun 01, 2012, 05:21:59 AM
2 questions for those of you who have seen it:

Spoiler
How far into the film is Vickers's death? :'(
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Very close to the end - she's on screen a lot, but I'm not convinced her character is necessary. Charlize does a good job with what she's given though.
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Spoiler
Is her death a result of being heroic and perhaps saving Shaw who had fallen?  Or does she just not manage to outrun the rolling derelict?
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I'm not expecting very accurate answers and it would help if more than one person can answer me because then I have a better idea.

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I'm so disappointed with the way such a badass character dies. >:( So I want to prepare myself for further disappointment if she's not in the film much.
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Very close to the end - she's on screen a lot, but I'm not convinced her character is necessary. Charlize does a good job with what she's given though.
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Nope, it's a gratuitous trip and squish.  She manages to escape the Prometheus in an escape pod, crash lands on the surface, only to be snuffed out moments later. What was the point? Why not give her a noble and heroic end commanding the Prometheus to the last?
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Sorry
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 05:33:34 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 01, 2012, 05:30:39 AM
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Nope, it's a gratuitous trip and squish.  She manages to escape the Prometheus in an escape pod, crash lands on the surface, only to be snuffed out moments later. What was the point? Why not give her a noble and heroic end commanding the Prometheus to the last?
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Because they needed that trailer shot. ::)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 05:35:52 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 01, 2012, 05:33:34 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 01, 2012, 05:30:39 AM
Spoiler
Nope, it's a gratuitous trip and squish.  She manages to escape the Prometheus in an escape pod, crash lands on the surface, only to be snuffed out moments later. What was the point? Why not give her a noble and heroic end commanding the Prometheus to the last?
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Because they needed that trailer shot. ::)

I only wish the movie was as thrilling as the trailers!  Ironically, the Daily Mash ran this article last week, which is rather prescient.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/bond-film-released-as-preview-to-trailer-2012052228095 (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/bond-film-released-as-preview-to-trailer-2012052228095)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Vickers on Jun 01, 2012, 05:41:28 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 01, 2012, 05:30:39 AM
Quote from: Vickers on Jun 01, 2012, 05:21:59 AM
2 questions for those of you who have seen it:

Spoiler
How far into the film is Vickers's death? :'(
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Spoiler
Very close to the end - she's on screen a lot, but I'm not convinced her character is necessary. Charlize does a good job with what she's given though.
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Spoiler
Is her death a result of being heroic and perhaps saving Shaw who had fallen?  Or does she just not manage to outrun the rolling derelict?
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I'm not expecting very accurate answers and it would help if more than one person can answer me because then I have a better idea.

Spoiler
I'm so disappointed with the way such a badass character dies. >:( So I want to prepare myself for further disappointment if she's not in the film much.
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Spoiler
Very close to the end - she's on screen a lot, but I'm not convinced her character is necessary. Charlize does a good job with what she's given though.
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Nope, it's a gratuitous trip and squish.  She manages to escape the Prometheus in an escape pod, crash lands on the surface, only to be snuffed out moments later. What was the point? Why not give her a noble and heroic end commanding the Prometheus to the last?
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Sorry

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I agree.  They should have given her character a heroic end.  To have her use the escape pod only to die very shortly after, by being crushed, feels cheap.  Like something I would see in a sequel to Final Destination.  I'm happy to hear that she's in the film until very close to the end but gosh, what a way for a cool character to go.
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv155%2FCharlizeTheronFan%2FCharlize_Distraught.jpg&hash=07cd417332b290637a00e6f998a49c2fad5cf8f8)
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 05:43:43 AM
^
I know, I feel that about the whole movie.   :(
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Blacklabel on Jun 01, 2012, 07:21:13 AM
Vickers is just another in a long line of

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cool characters in Alien films to die suddenly and without much heroic bullshit going on. Shit, most of the marines in Aliens kick the bucket real fast in that first trip to the hive.
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Shit happens. Just deal with it.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on Jun 01, 2012, 07:35:33 AM
Within the context of how Vickers is portrayed in the film
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a heroic end might not be the best way to go. If anything, I'd say it had been more fitting for her to bite the bullet in a showdown with Weyland himself or David... I have some ideas how this could have played out in context with the characters, but I'll sit on it for now...
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PS Vickers - your new set is just LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Vickers on Jun 01, 2012, 07:38:48 AM
Quote from: Eva on Jun 01, 2012, 07:35:33 AM
Within the context of how Vickers is portrayed in the film
Spoiler
a heroic end might not be the best way to go. If anything, I'd say it had been more fitting for her to bite the bullet in a showdown with Weyland himself or David... I have some ideas how this could have played out in context with the characters, but I'll sit on it for now...
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PS Vickers - your new set is just LOL  ;D

Interesting...
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I'm really curious to see how everything plays out in the movie.  I've read things regarding the ending - I know a few major plot details but I still haven't read everything.  So hopefully there's surprises yet. :P  I'm glad to see you enjoyed the film despite its flaws.  And I can't wait to see that opening scene either.
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P.S. Thanks. ;D
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Alien³ on Jun 01, 2012, 08:37:57 AM
I'll write a longer review after work today. I saw it at midnight last night and I'd give it 4/5. Catch you later.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JKS1 on Jun 01, 2012, 09:04:18 AM
Good things about the movie:

-Visually and aurally (the sound not the musical score) it was a stunning experience....truly breathtaking.....and the 3D, to my happy surprise, actually enhanced it....I didnt find it 'too dark' or 'a distraction' at all, as some other reviewers complained of (I didnt see it at an IMAX theatre either)

-On a big screen and in 3D, the exterior shots of the Prometheus ship itself were phenomenal, especially the shots during space travel

-Engineer and human tech were both beautiful and fascinating, as was the set design

-David and Shaw - 2 interesting characters that you cared about and were very well played

-Logan Marshall Green was nowhere near as bad nor as cringeworthy as the trailers and clips had me believe - the editing in those short clips makes his performance come across as far worse than it actually is

-'Hammerpedes'

-The 1st half of the movie was far superior to the second IMO

Bad things about the movie:

-Superfluous and seemingly pointless roles of much of the cast, including major characters with star billing

-Truly gigantic plot holes

-Nonsensical and/or completely unbelievable actions, behaviour and reactions of many of the characters, given the extreme 'once in a lifetime' type situations they find themselves in......'scientists' being completely unscientific and acting like disinterested juveniles was a major standout for me

-The Engineers while being a highly evolved and technologically incredibly advanced race of beings, able to traverse light years at will,  manipulate DNA and seed life throughout the Universe, are yet portrayed as mindless, thuggish, homicidal morons - the bog standard, done to death Hollywood  'Aliens are gonna kill us all' cliche is alive and well in Prometheus

-'Mohawk mutant' was laughable and fulfilled all my negative 'redneck space mutant' pre-release expectations

-All creatures with the exception of the hammerpedes looked, how can I put this ?.............shit !

This movie absolutely needed a huge injection of Giger when it came to the creature designs

The octopus looked every bit as bad, cliched and comical as I thought it would, and another supposedly big creature reveal looked like something out of a cheesy comic horror movie  -half the audience actually laughed during this scene

-A 'birth' scene that smacked of a totally cynical, and in my mind pointless, attempt to try and 'trump' or 'outgross' the Kane chestburster scene in 'Alien'

-Extremely average and completely forgettable musical score

-Is in no way a 'standalone' movie as claimed when the ending is so blatantly a setup for a sequel


Overall I'd give the movie a 6/10 and I have no desire at all to see it again

If I was purely rating the 1st half of the movie up to the 'birth' scene then itd be a 9/10
The 2nd half was pretty much all downhill from there on as far as I'm concerned

A HEAVY hands on involvement by Giger, a decent scriptwriter...i.e. NOT Lindelof, and a more imaginative and accomplished composer than Streitenfeld could have lead to something far more interesting than this disappointing final result
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: robbritton on Jun 01, 2012, 09:34:31 AM
So yeah, saw it at the mindnight screening in Leicester Square last night...

(some big spoilers herein, I guess *INCLUDING INCREDIBLY SPOILERY MS PAINT DIAGRAM!*)

Spoiler

It's the fourth best Alien film, after Alien 3 but over Resurrection.

I'm going to get the negatives over with first, 'cause I want some absolution from them!

It's a B-Movie in the way the originals never were. That's not to say that they didn't have B-movie origins, however enough was left unsaid and mysterious for them to transcend those origins. Prometheus cannot achieve this, as Ridley has adopted an entirely different approach to his direction. Where Alien played out like a documentary, everyone in Prometheus waits for their turn to speak, and often then trot out very rote sci-fi cliches. Kate Dickie in particular gives an outstandingly bad performance during the landing sequence which derails all the grandeur therein. Sean Harris too overdoes the old Cock-er-nee to ludicrous effect. He even makes Clive Mantle's "lawd luv a duck!" accent in Alien 3 sound passable! (However, as an Englishman I can't hear the problem with Idris Elba's accent that many talked about, so maybe that stuff is subjective) It's a real shame, because a bit of naturalism could have really upped the quality.

The score just drove me barmy. Non-stop bloody noise ALL THE WAY THROUGH. Again, all of the quiet tension of the originals is jettisoned for BAM! BAM! BAM! It's really disconcerting, and makes the film incredibly hard to reconcile with the others. One of the better moments comes when the flippin' score abruptly stops in the juggernaut cockpit. More of that and it'd be a lot better.

The plot itself has so many dead ends and holes you're left feeling that it must have been butchered in the edit. The whole thing feels ridiculously rushed from beginning to end, even at two hours. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was a three hour version coming down the pike on blu-ray. We never see the snakes again after their attack on Milburn. A newborn alien creature is just left in a room and forgotten about until the plot requires it comes back. Fifield is a killer super zombie... because he is. Things just seem to happen, for no good reason. I'm loathe to blame the writers at this point, as I can't shake the feeling that some heavy editing has gone on. I don't think I've ever seen a Lindelof thing before, so I certainly have none of the hate for him that seem de rigeur. It felt chopped up, not badly plotted, although I could be totally wrong! In which case, hang your heads in shame spaihts and lindelof!

It doesn't feel like a Ridley Scott film. It doesn't even feel like a Tony Scott film. All of that beautiful painterly framing is gone. It feels like someone doing the best impression of various Kubrick moments. It's really weird. Come back smoke machine, all is forgiven!

And the proto-xeno. Oh dear god, the proto-xeno. You know the adage that a picture speaks a thousand words? Well then:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv191%2Ficecoldinalex%2Fprotoxeno.jpg&hash=7421c0411da0379055228dd7c36b3db2ada0d91d)

Yep, that's him. A fleshy cross between the things from The Descent and a traffic cone. Whoo.

Despite my long belief that the film was better off ploughing it's own furrow, it really, REALLY misses the xenomorph and Giger. Ridley has thrown the baby out with the bathwater, really - in losing the best part of the franchise, he's lost the true otherworldliness. The controls on the Juggernaut are laughably badly designed. The whole thing is screaming for Giger to come along and make it beautiful. Odd. Sadly, I can't help but feel that if any sequels are forthcoming  they need the xenomorph back, but I know many will disagree. There's just nothing frightening here.

And there is no final eight minute "Oh yeah!" thing, that's just cobblers. There is what is essentailly a trailer for a sequel and the squishy grey bit of fan service above that would please no fan. Skills, Sir Rid, skills.

However, it has plenty of interesting moments. Despite her inglorious demise, Charlize Theron plays a blinder as Vickers - the vulnerability comes through well, and she's much more likeable really than Shaw, if only because she acts like a sensible human being in the main. If her motivation is "these people are idiots and my dad is an egomaniacal arse" then she does all you could with that. she has some lovely moments with Idris Elba, who is also grand. Harking back to Skerritt, but a different class of laid back. He feels like a character from an Alien movie. It's good to have him around. the rest of the cast are a bit interchangable, although it does seem is though LMG is playing a vainglorious idiot, rather than can't act, for the doubters. Some more time with all of them would have been welcomed. Seriously, it is easier to know the characters in Alien 3 than in this.

As everyone is saying, though, Michael Fassbender is wonderful. He is worth the entry price alone, and is a magnificent addition to the series. As a midpoint between Ash and Bishop the film comes to life whenever he is around. And the unanswered question of what he really says to the jockey is one of the film's more interesting questions. It is genuinely worth going to see the film just for David. If they'd done away with all the monsters and just had David vs. the humans. vs. the Jockey in some philosophical tug of war, it'd be a better film.

There are some lovely and surprising callbacks to Aliens as well as Alien - the LV designation for planets is in, as is the 'building better worlds' slogan. It feels good to be back in that world. To lesser effect there is even a variant on the classic, "Drake! We are leaving!". Hammy, but a nice acknowledgment of a world beyond just Scott's original.

Now, this all sounds like a real drubbing, but I did enjoy it. It's a good film, and it's an entertaining watch. It just can't live up to the classics it is following. I don't think anyone ever really thought it would, really. I'm really hoping for an extended cut, and I'm intrigued as to where the series could go from here. I'll go see it again next week at a more civilised hour and when I've let the dust settle and see how I feel then. But yeah, do go and see it, it is worth it, just don't expect a masterpiece. This is a flawed film, but much better than anything we've seen from the series since 1992.

As an afterword, my partner Donna really enjoyed it, and although she knows the first two Alien movies, is in no way fanatical about them. I think it probably does work better if you aren't so close to the source material. to fans I'm afraid it's following up the ceiling of the Cistine Chapel with an incredibly impressive photoshop of the Cistine Chapel. Both are objectively enjoyable, but only one is truly wonderful, y'know?
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Short version: Very flawed, it feels mostly through editing choice and some dreadful scoring. However, not a bad film in and of itself. I enjoyed it and Fassbender is wonderful. The fourth best Alien movie after Alien 3.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 10:09:42 AM
Question
Spoiler
Do we see young Shaw in flashbacks or holographic memory screens?  Also, where do we see Patrick Wilson?
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: robbritton on Jun 01, 2012, 10:11:24 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 10:09:42 AM
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Do we see young Shaw in flashbacks or holographic memory screens?  Also, where do we see Patrick Wilson?
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Spoiler
David is watching her dream of her past on a hologram while she hypersleeps. You see Patrick Wilson as her father in the same scene, talking about how religions differ and are about individual choice.
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Title: Re: my more detailed review vid of Prometheus
Post by: NGR01 on Jun 01, 2012, 10:20:24 AM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on Jun 01, 2012, 12:48:45 AM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 10:25:29 PM
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on May 31, 2012, 09:46:39 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 31, 2012, 09:32:05 PM
Ok so you've seen the movie and you have forgotten about this.
The movie is so awesome as you say in your review that it blew your mind AND memory.
That is quite a concern forsomeone as young as you mate :)

Lets find another thing then.
What is DAVID doing when he's watching a movie in the opening scenes where he's alone in the Prometheus?
Again simple question and it's something that you can't forget.

Jesus. Both of you give it a rest already.  I'm pretty sure he have not seen the film yet and not even in France without having to ask him any questions.  How do I know?  His time line/zone posting are totally off in the video and on here.  The room that he's filming is the same room he's in an older video.  I didn't bother to push the case because at least he's not a troll that tries to paint and go around and say "Promeus is shit" all over Youtube.

Excuses me for avoiding this kind of beahvior spread.
Funny how it ok to you since he's saying the movie is awesome.
If he said otherwise you would be all over him saying that he know shit...


Quote from: EEV-2501 on May 31, 2012, 09:42:59 PM
^ Peter O' Toole style. ;) So funny.

Yes lol.
Did you notice that the shot from comiccon where he's crying comes from that scene?
More proof that the movie has been largely recut.

I'm sorry but you're are becoming more annoying than he is.  Yeah we all know you don't like the film.  Don't go preaching it to everyone and in every thread and trying to convince everyone else.  It's how you're doing it.  I don't see the harm in him in doing anything really wrong.  All he did was taking all the positive feed back from the incoming reviews and just relaying or spinning it to his own version which isn't totally out of context or false about the movie .  Even though he lied about seeing it doesn't make him some very bad guy.

I just love how you sum up all i've said about the movie by "you don't like the movie".
Don't put word into my mouth please.
Read me right or don't bother.
I have said nagative things about the movie, mostly about the climax.
If that means to you that you can sum it up to "he hated the mivie" then you should seek help...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Shasvre on Jun 01, 2012, 11:06:28 AM
Quote from: Vickers on Jun 01, 2012, 05:21:59 AM
Spoiler
Is her death a result of being heroic and perhaps saving Shaw who had fallen?  Or does she just not manage to outrun the rolling derelict?
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Spoiler
She simply trips, falls and gets crushed. Very disappointing if you ask me, one of the things I really didn't like about the movie.
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I mean, if they really wanted a death scene...

Spoiler
...why not have her be killed by the Engineer or the Starbeast a few minutes later? :-\
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: EEV-2501 on Jun 01, 2012, 11:09:30 AM
^Starbeast ? You mean the squid monster ? Nice one Laufey. :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: maniace on Jun 01, 2012, 11:35:56 AM
Well my user review can be found here:

http://www.slashingthrough.com/reviews.php?id=136 (http://www.slashingthrough.com/reviews.php?id=136)

I have to say I am impressed by the visuals but I found that the rest of the movie was lacking a lot of story and the ending was really rushed.

3.5/5

Arrgghh so many new questions and old ones that haven't been anwsered :(
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: aliennaire on Jun 01, 2012, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: Laufey on Jun 01, 2012, 11:06:28 AM
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...why not have her be killed by the Engineer or the Starbeast a few minutes later? :-\
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Exactly my thought, because it feels like the Blue guy died too early: he throws Show against the wall/door and next moment gets killed by the freed squidy-baby. Vikers' death in-between would vary the episode.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: robbritton on Jun 01, 2012, 11:50:56 AM
Other people who've seen it:
Spoiler
do you reckon the little worm things were already in the temple, or is the implication that they're microbes from the crew's boots in accelerated growth? it seemed a little unclear to me.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Shasvre on Jun 01, 2012, 11:55:37 AM
Quote from: robbritton on Jun 01, 2012, 11:50:56 AMOther people who've seen it:
Spoiler
do you reckon the little worm things were already in the temple, or is the implication that they're microbes from the crew's boots in accelerated growth? it seemed a little unclear to me.
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Spoiler
It was clearly shown that some maggots fell off the boots as they walked around inside the temple.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 11:56:18 AM
Well, the consensus is that the film is solid, and good. Interesting.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: NGR01 on Jun 01, 2012, 12:04:31 PM
I tought the consensus was it was good but failed in characterization and its climax was rushed ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: aliennaire on Jun 01, 2012, 12:11:48 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 11:56:18 AM
Well, the consensus is that the film is solid, and good. Interesting.
It's a good sci fi film, arguably it will become one of the best in its genre, you just don't have to juxtapose it with the original. In that relation Alien fans are somewhat cursed, in a sense, to perceive the film from already set standpoint.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 12:12:30 PM
I've only read the 'its climax felt rushed' from maybe 3 people.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: NGR01 on Jun 01, 2012, 12:14:17 PM
So again the majority must be right ;)
I know what consensus means just teasing you a bit.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: aliennaire on Jun 01, 2012, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 12:12:30 PM
I've only read the 'its climax felt rushed' from maybe 3 people.
All good third part of the film gets rushed, in my opinion. So is the climax, there personally I have no complaints with speeded up pacing. (But the content of some scenes here is really mind-boggling).
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 12:28:06 PM
Quote from: Kimo on Jun 01, 2012, 05:09:37 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 01, 2012, 05:01:54 AM
Quote from: Kimo on Jun 01, 2012, 04:56:56 AM
Oh and another thing is that at the end of the film people were clapping... now i live in the UK and up north i never hear people clap infact this was my first time hearing people clap.

In my local (Chatham) there was some restrained clapping and whooping when the BBFC card came up, and stony silence at the end. No idea what anyone else thought (I was there alone, and most others were in big groups, mostly late teens and about three people my age - 40 - or older), but there was no clapping.

Might be a area thing. i am from middlesbrough and had go to newcastle to watch it on the IMAX and its the first time i heard clapping at a end of a film. not everyone was clapping but a good few were. However people were going mad CLAPPING over the Spiderman trailer it looked pretty cool in 3D.

Im from Middelsbrough to and saw the film in REAL 3D, the  effect was ok, not really into 3D mostly but it was a very good film, not great but I did enjoy the first half a lot but it was so badly cut
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: robbritton on Jun 01, 2012, 12:36:04 PM
Quote from: Laufey on Jun 01, 2012, 11:55:37 AM
Quote from: robbritton on Jun 01, 2012, 11:50:56 AMOther people who've seen it:
Spoiler
do you reckon the little worm things were already in the temple, or is the implication that they're microbes from the crew's boots in accelerated growth? it seemed a little unclear to me.
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Spoiler
It was clearly shown that some maggots fell off the boots as they walked around inside the temple.
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Cheers! I couldn't really tell if they
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fell off the boots or were stepped on and revealed in the goo! it was about quarter to one in the morning, in my defence!  :)
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 12:43:09 PM
Quote from: robbritton on Jun 01, 2012, 12:36:04 PM
Quote from: Laufey on Jun 01, 2012, 11:55:37 AM
Quote from: robbritton on Jun 01, 2012, 11:50:56 AMOther people who've seen it:
Spoiler
do you reckon the little worm things were already in the temple, or is the implication that they're microbes from the crew's boots in accelerated growth? it seemed a little unclear to me.
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Spoiler
It was clearly shown that some maggots fell off the boots as they walked around inside the temple.
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Cheers! I couldn't really tell if they
Spoiler
fell off the boots or were stepped on and revealed in the goo! it was about quarter to one in the morning, in my defence!  :)
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Yes I also think the Hammerpedes were randomly created by worms that fell off some explorers' boots.  Once they entered the ooze they mutated, became bigger and more aggressive.  The same thing happened to Fifield when he falls into the ooze trying to save Milburn, who dies soon after hes attacked, I'm thinking his brain is eaten as you can see his head has shrunk when the others find him
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Kimo on Jun 01, 2012, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 12:28:06 PM
Quote from: Kimo on Jun 01, 2012, 05:09:37 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 01, 2012, 05:01:54 AM
Quote from: Kimo on Jun 01, 2012, 04:56:56 AM
Oh and another thing is that at the end of the film people were clapping... now i live in the UK and up north i never hear people clap infact this was my first time hearing people clap.

In my local (Chatham) there was some restrained clapping and whooping when the BBFC card came up, and stony silence at the end. No idea what anyone else thought (I was there alone, and most others were in big groups, mostly late teens and about three people my age - 40 - or older), but there was no clapping.

Might be a area thing. i am from middlesbrough and had go to newcastle to watch it on the IMAX and its the first time i heard clapping at a end of a film. not everyone was clapping but a good few were. However people were going mad CLAPPING over the Spiderman trailer it looked pretty cool in 3D.

Im from Middelsbrough to and saw the film in REAL 3D, the  effect was ok, not really into 3D mostly but it was a very good film, not great but I did enjoy the first half a lot but it was so badly cut

nice to see another person from my neck off the woods. :) im from Stockton, but i just say Boro to people online cos more people know Boro more then they know of stockton lol. :) Prometheus looked and sounded pretty dam good on IMAX. I am glad i drove to newcastle to watch it. I may give it another watch in afew weeks time at hollywood bowl at teesside park in real 3d. But last night was my first time watching a film in 3D IMAX and it was worth every penny. Prometheus itself is a little better then average film, but like most people have said it felt rushed and lazy in some spots.

I am going to do a better review later on today cos i was tired when i got back and posted my last post. So i should have a better idea on what to say now ive had some sleep and a good think.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: 180924609 on Jun 01, 2012, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 12:43:09 PM
Spoiler
Yes I also think the Hammerpedes were randomly created by worms that fell off some explorers' boots.  Once they entered the ooze they mutated, became bigger and more aggressive.  The same thing happened to Fifield when he falls into the ooze trying to save Milburn, who dies soon after hes attacked, I'm thinking his brain is eaten as you can see his head has shrunk when the others find him
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Erm...

Where did the worms come from?!

I thought ALL life had to first be created by these engineers and couldnt just spontaneously be living on this desolate planet all by itself? I mean, according to this shitty story the whole universe is sterile right? We need some bald bloke to come to Earth, drink some magic potion and then toss himself into the waterfall before anything biological can exist. Actually, tossing himself off into the waterfall might have achieved the same effect...

Christ, this writing is shit.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 01:17:02 PM
Quote from: 180924609 on Jun 01, 2012, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 12:43:09 PM
Spoiler
Yes I also think the Hammerpedes were randomly created by worms that fell off some explorers' boots.  Once they entered the ooze they mutated, became bigger and more aggressive.  The same thing happened to Fifield when he falls into the ooze trying to save Milburn, who dies soon after hes attacked, I'm thinking his brain is eaten as you can see his head has shrunk when the others find him
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Erm...

Where did the worms come from?!

I thought ALL life had to first be created by these engineers and couldnt just spontaneously be living on this desolate planet all by itself? I mean, according to this shitty story the whole universe is sterile right? We need some bald bloke to come to Earth, drink some magic potion and then toss himself into the fountain before anything biological can exist. Actually tossing himself off into the fountain might have achieved the same effect...

Christ, this writing is shit.

Yeah I must admit I thought the hammerpede's were the engineers creation, but the film 'suggests' these worms are indigenous, you see them a few times in other places before the crew reach the Orrery, eventually some enter the black goo when things start to go wrong, so I assume I was wrong and they are a mutation.... I guess
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 01:39:16 PM
Okay, I've slept on it now (which is going to bugger up my sleep pattern for the next week, and it wasn't even worth it) but my overall feeling of disappointment is unchanged.

Reading some of the comments made by other UK midnighters has reinforced both my negative and positive views of the movie. I'm as baffled as anyone else by the worms. Do we really think this hyper-expensive star ship, equipped with the latest (and sexiest) space suits available, is infested with.... worms??? I prefer to think (if only so that I believe that writers are not first class morons) that bacteria evolved vary rapidly, first to little worms and then to hammerpedes.
This also runs counter to present-day planetary protection protocols - not even the 2090s but NOW. Real modern planetary protection requires space-craft landing on other bodies to be sterilized to certain standards, a specific number of bugs per square cm (so actually not 100 % sterile but near a dammit). Why does that change here? Is it okay for humans to carry all our microbes to another planet and infect it, and then (sooo dumb) to take our helmets off in this alien environment and potentially infect ourselves. Holloway has no way of knowing there are know airborne viruses. In part because the team biologist is a superfluous halfwit.

I saw an interview with Spaihts in which he said he talked to scientists to help him with his ideas. Either Damon trashed all that, or he lied, or the scientists were idiots.  >:(
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Promethean Fire on Jun 01, 2012, 01:49:32 PM
Obvioulsy there will be spoilers...

Spoiler
I've seen Prometheus twice now.  2D and 3D.  And one thing is for certain, its certainly sealed the fate of 3D with me.  Didn't really notice it beyond a few scenes here and there.  Picture was far too dark.  Far more enjoyable in 2D in my opinion.

As for the film itself.  Well,  would I be hounded and shot if I said that it came off as a slightly better written, acted and directed version of AVP?  There were beats that almost felt identical to me.  Eg Fifield and Milburn's relationship felt like Verheiden and Millers in the unrated cut of AVP.  Except with the overt sappy "We'll get through this" nonsense from Anderson's script.

Even the overall concept is near identical.  We are going to find the origins of civilization.  Except it won't matter a damn forty minutes in, when we are being infected, impregnated, eviscerated.  Which is the problem.  The lofty and profound ideas being (supposedly) addressed are basically being tacked onto the bones of an old Alien Prequel script and it shows.

The central performances were fine enough.  Noomi Rapace delivers a decent form of Ripley-lite.  Michael Fassbender was deviously innocent ;)  Guy Pearce was completely and utter wasted.  His performance was fine, but why bury him under all those prosthetics?  A man chasing immortality, I was certain a year ago that we would see an Old Man find his fountain of youth in this movie.  All he finds is a milky droid's head in his eye...

Idris Elba was cool and collected as Janek.  Dude even managed to get his freak on with Theron's Ice Queen Vickers.  Mac Daddy or what?  8)  Now, what exactly is the score with Vickers.  Back at Comicon, Ridley hinted that there may be two robots.  Was Vickers the second robot?  Did she survive the Juggernaut squashing to return for the inevitable sequel?  The secondary and tertiary characters don't really get much to do.  Rafe Spall adopts an American accent as a characterless botanist.  Sean Harris seems like a no-BS, "ain't go time for this shit" type of guy, until he discovers the fate of The Engineers and gets all Hudson and Lambert on everybody.  Katie Dickie, a Scottish actress seems to be trying so hard to come across as Scottish that her accent sounded forced.  Ravel (Benedict Wong) and Chance (Emun Elliot) are the only other characters with a bit of dialogue, which mainly concerns a bet they've put on as to why they are on the planet in the first place.  Did they really have to use the generic future sci-fi currency of "Credits"?  Shares would have been a cooler little nod to the first Alien film.  Everybody else is fodder.

Which kind of brings us to pace and editing.  Ridley has quickened his pace, and the movie tends to rush a bit in some scenes.  This is more a trend of modern movie making than anything else.  The movie does show some signs of heavy editing.  Especially in the "Fifield Attack" scene.  Originally, this scene was supposed to take place as Weyland and co head back to the temple to meet the Last Engineer, with Shaw jumping in the Rover and running Fifield over.  The scene now takes place concurrently with Shaw's "C-Sec" scene, and as a result suffers.  It feels superfluous and tacked on.  Blu-ray cut, anybody (which btw should be 10/11/12, if anybody noticed the "Footage Property of Weyland Corp tag at the end credits ;))

The music was not noticeable, it kind of disspeared into the scenes, basically telling the audience to feel scared or feel sad.  The sound mix was excellent though, particualrly in the Prometheus landing scene.  The cinema shook!

Then there is the ending and The Alien Connection.  All through the film, I felt like some sort of Xenomorph Detective, trying to piece the puzzle together.  Unfortunately, due to Lindelof's rewrite, the Alien connection seems to have been arbitrarily removed and replaced with something else which "kinda hints" at Alien.  What is the carving on the Ampule Chamber wall.  A Queen?  I'm sure I spotted a facehuuger on the lower right of the carving too.  What was the Snakehugger?  It has acid for blood and tries to get inside you body.  And that's about it.  The black ooze contained within the ampules seems to be the source of of this parasite, as evidenced by a little retina wriggling on Holloway's eyeball which ultimately leads us to Squidhugger, and the single most dissapointing design in the movie.  Seriously, some calamari is the best they could come up with?  And if you liked that, you're gonna love this...

Tiny, Impy, Goblin, Venom Horse Mouthed, Pointy Headed, ADI Xenomorph wannabe runt.  Which we see in a rehash of AVP's denoument.  Seriously, why bother?  I would have been content, dissapointed but content to watch the Juggernaut fly off, Shaw and David bound for Engineer Paradise.  But to have this awful, weak fan boy service scene tacked on, just made me groan.  Again, I blame Lindelof's rewrite.  Presumably, in Spaiht's draft, they landed on LV-426, cut to the end, Engineer is impregnated tries to climb back into his pilot seat but ends up chest bursting, whatever.  Cue Ripley.  Lindelof appears to have lazily redressed these elements and said "Aha, but wait for the sequel!"  If Lindelof is attached, I won't be waiting for anything.

Apologies for the length of this.  I've waited years for this and needed my cathartic release.  I needed to get back on the horse.  Where, for me, its rider shall be forever known as a Jockey and not an Engineer... 
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: pinion on Jun 01, 2012, 01:50:26 PM
My review of seeing the UK midnight 3D show:

Spoiler
Loved the Alien films, loved that this was not another, was so looking forward to it but left feeling annoyed at an average sci-fi film. Having been almost at shooting the Alien film and then scrapping it for a new story over the past years I had very high expectations of a story that would shine, that this would be a masterpiece, sadly I didn't think it was anywhere near that.

Leaving Alien out for a minute the parts that were good:
- David's part and the way his character was developed, very nice indeed. Very dark and I had hoped for something like that, a more psychological horror. That said his method of contact with Weyland, wth? Other than that his character is the best part of this film.

- Visuals, nice to look at which at times the 3D did work a treat.

- Tension, a few parts were just as tense as some of the good horror films. The drive back to the ship, the nod to Alien with the impregnation and removal scene, again nicely done (again).

- The story, promised so much at the start but as soon as they entered the 'tomb' it just fell on its face and didn't really know what to do. A somewhat save by David's character but then it careers off into being another AvP film I think in the hope to bring some sort of conclusion to a plot that at this point has so many holes in it that it becomes hard to care about any of it.

- Timeline, due to when this has been made there is a lot more technology floating around, there would be no getting around this but adding items that would have clearly helped other victims in other films fight the Aliens, well that could have been handled a lot better I think. Leaving them out actually may have helped Prometheus.

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In comparison to the Alien franchise, it's exactly what the rest of the films have been since Alien 3, which for me was the last good part of the story. A pretty average film that has best intentions but cannot deliver the claustrophobic horror of sealing six people in a room with a welding torch away from certain death outside the door (or was it? ). It's a franchise that was defined at a time when less was more, sci-fi and horror went hand in hand, the stories were simple, more focused. This film had none of that, it found it hard to raise much tension let alone fear.

The plot holes, where to begin, so there's talk of a sequel, I can't really say I care for watching it to be honest even if it was sat next to me just now.
The Engineer suicide at the start, to introduce life to Earth(?), that was destroying DNA, it was snapping the strands, I mean it was degrading DNA, not making life breed or mutate.
Why go to all that bother to make life on Earth but then want to kill it again? So say that Engineer was a 'rebel' something the rest of the race didn't want life on Earth, I guess then they need a weapon to destroy, fine. None of that is eluded to in the film. In fact we have to watch the film for about 90 minutes to find out in a few lines from Prometheus captain that LV-223 is a bio installation where the Engineers made weapons, that's a pathetic method of story telling. Cameron didn't force feed us like that in Aliens with the Queen chamber, are audiences that dumb these days that the only method to convey part of a story is to have someone blurt it out half way through the film? Know your audience Mr Blade Runner....


The planet, LV-223 (I think?) is not LV-426, so it's a different planet where Prometheus lands. So let's treat this as a different planet for now, the derelict we see crash can't be the same derelict in the Alien film. Crashing Prometheus into the side of it and making the 'entry hole' may come in handy for Kane and crew later on, but this is a different planet.
The distress signal, also handy but this is a different planet.
The Engineer has left his seat to go after female doctor, again handy it is a different planet after all, so how can any chest burst happen?
There's what closely resembles an Alien running around, I guess that could be a queen, different planet though, remember?

By the end of the film we have a fifth generation evolution into the Alien we all know:
Male doctor > female doctor > squid? > engineer > Alien.
So any Alien, a Giger Alien would need to evolve in a similar set of jumps, no?
Well for one there won't be that same cycle even if there are other living Engineers on LV-224.

So, female doctor (and that reflects how much I'm not interested, I can't even bring myself to Google her character name) is off on one with David, so she might end up on LV-426, but there are no other humans alive to have the five stage jump like we just saw. So the impregnation/human mutation won't happen again.

Leaving how we got where we did out of it for a minute and going back to just Prometheus. The (all too handy storytelling, but didn't story tell) holograms that were running around, sure they'd have been handy as hell for Kane and Lambert (who by the way would have had superior tech to anything on Prometheus, see above), they were running into the tomb, why was the Engineer running into a room full of stuff that would kill him?
What about the head high pile of Engineer bodies? What killed them? That elusive 'ping' to the west that we never see of again? Why waste all that time to show these two plums running around getting 'information' that is never used, impregnated with a worm mutation, again which is never used after showing it pop out of his mouth.
Why is the tattooed rock geologist guy smashing up the crew? I mean going on what happened on Earth with the suicide and the reformed exploding pilot head this bio weapon destroys by degrading DNA, not by turning things into zombies. Why did we have a ten minute fight on Prometheus deck for what seems like no reason?

In the tomb there is a clear carving of an Alien on the back wall, if that mutation took five jumps away from what is in the pods how the hell was that predicted?
Why even bother to make the worm mutation if it's only purpose is to kill a few folks but not kill as many as geologist rock hippie?
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So yes, I'm off on one (unless you've been in hypersleep for the past 50 years, you can tell I'm a bit of a nut over Alien films) judging by what I've typed so far my opinion/interpretations yup they are. Gave more questions than answers, yup, it did and I'd have been totally content with that but the massive problem I have is that none of this makes any sense so the film ends up being so disconnected through bad storytelling and irrelevant sequences that the last ten minutes of here is the evolution Alien lovers that you've got to even question why the hell that was put in place also.

It's an okay sci-fi film with action in it for action sake, it crutches on Alien franchise because really that's the only true thing left for it to do. Scott might not have wanted to make another Alien film, he succeeded, I'm rather glad it is so detached.
Give me Alien to watch any day of the week over this, the next time I do watch it I'll be doing my very best to forget about Prometheus.


This is annoyed person, last remaining survivor of average Hollywood films signing off.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 02:05:07 PM
Quote from: pinion on Jun 01, 2012, 01:50:26 PM
Spoiler

That elusive 'ping' to the west that we never see of again?
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The ping does come up again, but it's not too obvious.
Spoiler

It's coming from the disco-ball probe that has travelled down the long tunnel to the buried juggernaut and is stuck by the door - it's picking up the widely space intermittant life form of the sleeping engineer (I think). It's thought be faulty and David goes off alone to check it out and then finds the cockpit and the engineer.
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Quote from: pinion on Jun 01, 2012, 01:50:26 PM
This is annoyed person, last remaining survivor of average Hollywood films signing off.

Agreed, big time. I don't get it with the whizz-bang mindset of many films these days, moronic plot lines and lots of running and shouting and explosions. I'm only glad there are some film makers (Tarantino for example) who aren't afraid of crafting a 20 minutes scene between two people talking which has more tension and emotion than all of Prometheus added together.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: pinion on Jun 01, 2012, 02:12:42 PM
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Agreed, big time. I don't get it with the whizz-bang mindset of many films these days, moronic plot lines and lots of running and shouting and explosions. I'm only glad there are some film makers (Tarantino for example) who aren't afraid of crafting a 20 minutes scene between two people talking which has more tension and emotion than all of Prometheus added together.

Thanks a lot for the ping item ucdom. I get it now :).
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: NGR01 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:23:25 PM
You know what you will get when you say there is no answer?
It's the point, they did it on purpose.
That is the charm/power of the movie.
Only dumb audience need answers.
You're just not intelligent enough.
LOL

Remember what Lindelof said about LOST?
Whats important is the journey not the answer at the end.
Pure lazy writing BS.
ALIEN has mysteries, MATRIx has mysteries.
But they have a self suficiant story, they were not made only to sell a sequel.

You'll see.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 02:36:14 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:23:25 PM
You know what you will get when you say there is no answer?
It's the point, they did it on purpose.
That is the charm/power of the movie.
Only dumb audience need answers.
You're just not intelligent enough.
LOL

Remember what Lindelof said about LOST?
Whats important is the journey not the answer at the end.
Pure lazy writing BS.
ALIEN has mysteries, MATRIx has mysteries.
But they have a self suficiant story, they were not made only to sell a sequel.

You'll see.

For me - I don't know about anyone else - it's not a question of 'no answers'. 2001 had no answers and was brilliant. My problem with Prometheus is utterly baffling and illogical character motivations, interactions, and some terrible dialogue. I don't think it's mysterious, I think it's stupid.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 01, 2012, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: 180924609 on Jun 01, 2012, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 12:43:09 PM
Spoiler
Yes I also think the Hammerpedes were randomly created by worms that fell off some explorers' boots.  Once they entered the ooze they mutated, became bigger and more aggressive.  The same thing happened to Fifield when he falls into the ooze trying to save Milburn, who dies soon after hes attacked, I'm thinking his brain is eaten as you can see his head has shrunk when the others find him
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Erm...

Where did the worms come from?!

I thought ALL life had to first be created by these engineers and couldnt just spontaneously be living on this desolate planet all by itself? I mean, according to this shitty story the whole universe is sterile right? We need some bald bloke to come to Earth, drink some magic potion and then toss himself into the waterfall before anything biological can exist. Actually, tossing himself off into the waterfall might have achieved the same effect...

Christ, this writing is shit.

Why do you assume that ALL life in the entire universe is created by the engineers? I'm not sure the movie states anything other than the engineers are responsible for life on Earth. They may be responsible for all life everywhere... but then again, they may not. The worms were mutated into the hammerpedes... that's clear. How the worms got there is largely irrelevant... they may be indigenous, they may be not. The point is they were harmless until humans poked their noses in, changed the climate/atmosphere of the temple and caused the black goo to leak.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: tenjin on Jun 01, 2012, 03:12:13 PM
I saw it yesterday. And first i'd like to say that its not because you live in a country with a different spoken language than english that it means nobody is watching films in their original language. So, yes i saw it in english.

Ok so im 34, alien & sci-fi fan, motion designer and film maker, bla bla bla.

It seems i am one of the few that didnt hate the film nor loved it. It's just a disapointment. I didnt have unrealistic expectations before watching it, hell i work in the field so i know how it goes.

As a film in itself it was a well (slow) paced movie. In fact the whole film has a "similar" vibe to the first half of the original Alien, which is a great point because that was the part i liked the most. So that choice was good.
The VFX, the picture, the edit, most of the acting (2-3 characters are awful though), all that were very good.

Yeah you guessed it, that's about it. Now ill tell you what i thought went wrong.

First, the score. Maybe 1 or 2 cool musics but the rest is a pile of forgettable hollywood junk you hear in every "so called epic" movie. Such a shame, the soundtrack and sound design of the first Alien was great and gave a very specific mood. It just doesnt exist in Prometheus.
Then you have the problem with the story. This is the point that divide people and i know why. The reason is simple: the target audience.
The film is CLEARLY targeted at younger audience, not the generation who grew up with Alien films and all other sci-fi influences. So the young guys, who may only know the "classics" at best, didnt grew up with all those sci-fi stories. I did. And i must say that the story of prometheus and all the few ideas scattered in it are REHASH. Everything i saw in the film i already saw in older movies or even in Stargate tv series. Its NOT original. So the young guys don't know that, thats why they could apreciate the movie a lot more than the "old geeks".
Its a real bad move if you ask me. Why? Because putting more interesting ideas, working them and expanding them would have been the choice that would have pleased much more people at different ages, all that while beeing a much better film. Yeah i know Hollywood seems to think that young people are stupid and have 45 of IQ, but i think it was worth a shot. Especially for a movie of this magnitude. DAMN! Just go to forums and message boards and you could almost pick any random post about alien theories and stumble upon better ideas.

Other aspects i didnt like:
-The SJs! They are ugly and almost look stupid (the picture limits the damage, but shoot this guy in broad daylight without color correction and it doesnt even pass the casting of Stargate Atlantis). Oh and they move and act a bit dumb as well. Is that a superior life form? hmmm...
-The designs! I loved the vfx and visual effects but the designs weren't great. The chambers and tunnels look so-so, the creatures look like squids and the alien "ancestor" at the end just looks bad and a lot less detailed than any other alien. it doesnt look like much work or effort has been put into this. Where was Giger?
-The incoherences of the story. Wether that be for the film itself or for the continuity of the series.

And most of all: why always humans? WHY?!?! Are we sooooo special? oh yeah we HAD to be conceived by superior beeings, then we are so special that they HAVE to destroy us. This is so played out and uninspired. And on top of that we are talking about Alien and SJ mythology! All these mysteries and questions rised from the first films are here completely spoiled by uninspired ideas. I remember what i felt watching Alien, thinking about the darkest parts of the universe or ancient times, so much things that are way beyond us. It was like watching the stars, there are so much of them that you felt like nothing in the vast universe. In Prometheus it's the exact opposite. Everything is linked to us. Thats a shame. Such a shame that i cant even see this film as Alien canon.

And last thing: What is Hollywood's problem with robots? Whats with the racism against them? Even the "good" guys from the film are saying very mean things to the robot and treat him like a slave or an inferior beeing. Yeah i know it's not a human, but can we just respect other lifeforms without always thinking we are soooo much superior? I get it that stupid people will exist even in the future but not ALL OF THEM whould behave like jackasses.

Please don't hesitate to ask any question if it's still too "vague" for you. Ill be happy to help.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: pinion on Jun 01, 2012, 03:47:08 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:23:25 PM
You know what you will get when you say there is no answer?
It's the point, they did it on purpose.
That is the charm/power of the movie.
Only dumb audience need answers.
You're just not intelligent enough.
LOL

Remember what Lindelof said about LOST?
Whats important is the journey not the answer at the end.
Pure lazy writing BS.
ALIEN has mysteries, MATRIx has mysteries.
But they have a self suficiant story, they were not made only to sell a sequel.

You'll see.

For me it's got nothing to do with no answer, in fact if this film had brought relevant, planned, and downright logical questions to me I'd have loved the shit out of it. I don't need answers to feel comfortable with a question, that part is for me to answer, if that's how it was planned I'd most likely be stunned into silence. Instead nothing was planned, I know this through having seen Prometheus. There were locations and breadcrums that were left, my problem is this is all that was used to convey a new take on a new story, breadcrumbs of a theory that sold in the 70's, evolved in the 80s and 90s and was fruitpicked to convey some sort of back story but didn't actually deliver inside it's own self let alone deliver or add to the breadcrumb trail.

Take the matrix comment, nothing in this realm is even related to the matrix, because the matrix left you with open interpretation, but was based on the outward thinking mind, that has no place in the same realm as claustrophobic mind based horror because that's what a lot of people fail to see, the whole Alien franchise, even the involvement of Giger is about horror, not sci-fi, downright what is the worst thing that you can possibly imagine happening to you, your body. It's inward. The matrix was based on mind interpretation of a realm, outward. Alien is not, it's inward, your fears, your vision of you and your fear of something uncontrollable affecting that.

Cheers.




Quote from: NGR01 on Jun 01, 2012, 02:23:25 PM
You know what you will get when you say there is no answer?
It's the point, they did it on purpose.
That is the charm/power of the movie.
Only dumb audience need answers.
You're just not intelligent enough.
LOL

Remember what Lindelof said about LOST?
Whats important is the journey not the answer at the end.
Pure lazy writing BS.
ALIEN has mysteries, MATRIx has mysteries.
But they have a self suficiant story, they were not made only to sell a sequel.

You'll see.

In saying that mind, its so good to see you descent into your not really that smart as some sort of retort to someone who has a different opinion to you, /golf clap. Idiot.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:53:16 PM
Reviewers of this thread, what rating would you give Prometheus, not as an Alien-related film, but as a science fiction film in general?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Promethean Fire on Jun 01, 2012, 03:54:07 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:53:16 PM
Reviewers of this thread, what rating would you give Prometheus as a general science fiction film?

3/5
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 03:55:25 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:53:16 PM
Reviewers of this thread, what rating would you give Prometheus, not as an Alien-related film, but as a science fiction film in general?

2/5

And it only gets that for the design, vfx and photography.
Title: My VERY extensive plot overview and review -
Post by: Mastes1 on Jun 01, 2012, 03:55:58 PM

Right so i'll start with an overview of the plot and then give my review after -

please bear in ,mind i have dislexia as well so i apologise for any spelling or grammar problem

Spoiler
So the film starts with some beautiful landscape shots of what you guess is Earth of the past (it doesn't tell you of course, thats a running theme in the movie) and we then see a ufo over head and a figure walking towards a waterfall. The figure removes its cloak and its a naked humanoid space jockey (good make up effects but looks silly imo), the jockey opens a box and drinks this liquid that desolves his body into the waterfall and forms dna in the water.
Next scene is Shaw and her group in Scotland looking in a cave where they find some cave paintings like you have seen in the trailer.
We then move forward into space and onto the Prometheus itself. David the android is walking around and doing random tasks on the ship while everyone is in stasis (quite a cool scene, including him tapping in to Shaws dreams about her father). Moving forward again and everyone has been brought out of stasis and we are now at the explenation scene in the basketball court from the trailer, the scene plays out like the trailer and Holloway and Shaw explain about the Jockeys (engineers) and that they have been travelling to the planet in the star map (most of the crew don't know the mission). We also see a really cool hologram scene of Weyland (who is supposed to be dead) thanking the crew for taking this mission etc (they play the ALIEN theme in this sequence which is really cool)
Next up we have the Prometheus entering the atmosphere and landing on the surface. Vickers talks to Shaw and Holloway privately and does the 'no contact, no talking to these beings' speach. Holloway is desperate to go to the pyramid/jockey base and tells everyone to suit up. The party members get in the vehicles and drive to the pyramid, they enter and walk about a bit (very atmospheric) until David sees some symbols on the wall where he starts pushing them in some kind of order (he seems to know what he's doing) and suddenly the holograms of the jockeys running come up and the crew follow the jockeys until they get to the door to the 'big head' room. David opens the door and the party finds the jockey severed head, Holloway goes behind the head and sees the xeno mural, David sneaks one of the ampules into his back pack and they all head back out as Janeck (the captain) says a big storm is heading their way. The party rush out, get in their vehicles and head back to the ship (Fifield and Milburn are left behind as they got lost in the tunnels).
Back on the ship and Shaw, David and a few other investigate the Jockey head and find thats its just a helmet, they remove the helmet and see a humanoid face. Shaw then says she can re-animate the head and starts injecting it with some fluid but the head starts going crazy and blows up!, they find from this though that the jockeys share our dna which is a big revelation to them.
The film cuts back to Janeck talking to Fifield and Milburn who are still lost on the jockey ship, Janeck tells them thet they will have to wait out the storm until morning (they are not happy about this, Fifield tells Janeck to tell Shaw and Milburn to 'f**k off' for getting them into this lol). Janeck then says that he has picked up a lifeform signal not far from them, they both don't want to investigate and they walk off and end up in the 'Big Head' room. They are talking and see something moving in the black goo (the liquid mutated these meal worm things that were there somehow?), its the snake thing which grabs Milburn by the arm and continues to break his arm, Fifield cuts in in half but gets sprayed by acid on his helmet and he falls down face first into the black goo, the snake moves into Milburns helmet and melts it like in the trailer.
The film cuts back to David who is on his own opening the ampule and takes out this glass cylinder with some black goo in it (there is a scene earlier of him talking to a stasis chamber and saying 'yes i will do it sir'), he puts some goo in a bottle of alcohol and goes speaks to Holloway who is drunk and in a mood about all the engineers being gone or dead, David tricks him into drinking some more alcohol and therefor getting infected. After this scene. Holloway goes to his quarters and has sex with shaw.
Now its the next day and you see that scene of Holloway looking in the mirror and seeing that worm thing in his eye. Moving on and Janeck has lost contact with Fifield and Milburn and most of the crew get suited up and we go back to the pyramid. They find Milburns body and the snake thing jumps out of his mouth and scurries away, there is no sign of Fifield. While this is happening, David has gone off alone and somehow enters the jockey ship, there is a cargo hold full of ampules of black goo, David moves onto the 'bridge' and finds the star map, the stasis chambers of four jockeys which are all empty except one which has a living jockey in it. David finds some more buttons, pushes them and another hologram sequence comes up of 3 unsuited jockeys getting ready to take off for Earth to destroy us with the cargo full of black goo ampules (it never explains why). We find out that all these holograms were from 2000 years ago but they couldn't finish their plan because of an outbreak and they are all killed except the jockey in stasis (it seems a xeno outbreak as the dead jockey have been chestbursted but you never see xenos in the holograms.
Cut back to the others and Holloway is sick, Shaw tells them we have to get back to the ship so they all leave but by the time they reach the ship, Holloway is deformed and close to death. Vickers has a flamethrower and wont let them bring Holloway on board, Janeck tells her to move away but Holloway dashes to the side and pleads with her to burn him whuich she does, Shaw is distraught.
Next scene and we have Shaw on a medical table and David is telling her that she's pregnant, Shaw says its impossible and she can't have children but David says she's 3 months gone but its not normal (he says all this in an emotionless way), Shaw is upset and tells David to get it out of her, he won't and sedates her. Shaw is now seemingly sedated on a table but shes bluffing and attacks 2 crew members and makes a run for it down some corridoors into Vickers private quarters which just happens to have a med bay in it. Shaw messes with the controls, gets on the med table and the maching opens her up and takes out the squid chestburster, Shaw gets up and gases it (she thinks its dead) and leaves Vickers quarters, stubles down the corridoors into a room where David and Vickers are talking to a very old Weyland, he was alive and on the ship all along. Shaw asks why he's there and Weyland explains that he's close to death and he's come because if the Jockeys made us then maybe they can save his life, Shaw says that all the jockeys are dead but David interrupts and sayd he has found one still alive.
The film cuts back to the bridge and Janeck saying that he's got Fifields video signal back up and that he's outside the cargo doors, a few 'no name' members of the crew go to investigate and are butched by a very mutated and ridiculous looking Fifield (he has a huge deformed head), they eventually burn Fifield and the film cuts back to Shaw, Weyland, Vickers and David.
Weyland says he's going into the pyramid and onboard the jockey ship to wake up the jockey and speak to him, they all suit up again and head off back to the Jockey ship (Janeck and Vickers stay behind).
On the jockey ship now and David wakes up the jockey, Weyland stands in front of the Jockey telling David to translate what he's saying to the jockey. The jockey doesn't seem to pleased about all this and rips off Davids head and then smashes Weyland accross the face with Davids head killing him. The jockey then continues pummeling all the other party members but Shaw runs off and escapes. The jockey then messes around with the bridge controls, gets in the famous jockey chair and suits up. The camera cuts back to Shaw who's running on the surface towards the Prometheus, the ground starts opening up and Shaw is telling Janek that the jockey ship is taking off towards Earth and we won't have a home to go back to if he doesn't stop the ship, Janeck says the Prometheus isn't a military ship and has no weapons, Shaw says she knows but he has to stop the ship no matter what. Vickers is pissed off with this and Janeck tells her to get to an escape pod unless she wants to stcik around.
Janeck and 2 of his flight crew agree to take off and smash the prometheus into the jockey ship which is now high in the air., They head straight for the jockey ship and Vickers gets in a small escape pod and blast off and lands on the planet. The Prometheus crashes into the jockey ship and explodes. Shaw and Vickers are now on the surface looking up but the jockey ship is falling down towards them, they both run but the ship crashes on the surface and crushes Vickers but just misses Shaw.
Shaw gets up and heads towards the main escape bay (which was Vickers quarters, it was seperate to the ship and independant of it) but as she gets in the escape bay, David contacts her over the radio and says that the jockey has left the ship and is coming after her. Shaw looks around the escape bay and sees the med room where she had the operation to remove the squid chestburster, she sees that its huge now but lockes in the med bay. Suddenly the jockey comes at Shaw from behind and pins her agains a wall, Shaw quickly presses the med bay door button and the door opens up and the super squidhugger attacks the jockey and impregnates it through a tube down its throat (the squid thing seems like a xeno factory with 6 or more tubes coming from it).
Shaw escapes onto the surface and is crying with desperations, David contacts her again and says not to give up, there are other jockey ships and David can pilot them away from this place. Shaw gets up and tells David that she doesn't want to go back to Earth, she wants to go the the jockey homeworld to find out why they created us and why they then decided to destroy us, David says he can do this and Shaw walks off.
The film then plays Shaw saying the 'This is Elizabeth Shaw, last survivor of the Prometheus etc etc", you see another jockey ship taking off and flying away while we hear this Shaw transmission.
The film cuts to black for a few seconds then cuts back to the dead jockey who is now shaking, the jockey splits open from the front and the most ridiculous looking xeno pops out, stands up then starts screaming at the camera, the film cuts to black and ends.
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Now my review -

Spoiler
Well first off, the film looks fantastic, the 3D is great and the effects are top notch, in fact the effects on the super squidhugger are arguably the best cgi i have seen yet, it still has that usual cgi look but it looks a level above what we usually get.
The sound is also great, the score is beautiful but strange at the same time as its quite an uplifting sounding score but they play it at parts where people are in peril or getting killed, it doesn't really fit the film and seems weird (its still a good sounding score though). The ALIEN theme playing in the Weyland hologram scene is cool as hell though and made me smile.
The film isn't scary unfortunately but the first half is very atmospheric while the crew are exploring the jockey pyramid, i was loving the film at this point.
Also i'd just like to say that the film is definately R rated, its not a borderline PG13 film here, there is gore, a couple of grusome and bloody deaths and there are at least  3 'f**ks' along with other swearing. Sure its not the most gory film you will ever see but i think all the 'will it or won't it be PG13' crap was just all publicity.
So all in all i'd say the first half of the film is very good, atmospheric and interesting.

Now the bad points.

There are so many questions and scenes that don't get answered, some scenes that are cut together and don't make sense (its obvious to me that the film was cut to get a 2 hour runtime) and at times it seems so confusing.
All the characters except Shaw, David and Vickers are so under written that you don't care about them at all, Janeck is quite cool but he's not in it much, all the other ones are basicly throw away characters there to be killed.
The jockey itself looks so silly to me, its great make up but the jockey looks the half formed clone at the end of 'The 6th Day', it would of been so much better if they kept the jockey looking like he did in ALIEN instead of making that a suit (this probbly comes down to personel opinion though). Also the Jockey wakes up and goes all Michael Myers on us, no explanation why, no explanation why they were heading to Earth to destroy us before the xeno outbreak killed them all 2000 years ago, no explanation for 90% of the stuff in the film to be honest.
Now one of my biggest problems is the final xeno scene, it looks hilariously bad, just absolutely god awful looking, it looks like PumpkinHead except with a weird Xeno head. It looks so far removed from what we know as a xeno that i'm willing to bet that many viewers won't even get the reference and be all wtf? with that scene, the scene also seems so cheap and tacked on, i'm a xeno fan and would of actually prefered if that scene wasn't even in the film!, its that bad.

There are other problems like the runtime not being long enough to answer much of anything with the film and a few other things but the film in its current state seems almost pointless, this is basicly the film in a nutshell -

Humans find cave paintings with a star map
Humans build a ship and head to the star system to speak to their creators and ask them why they made us
Humans land of the planet and find that all the creators are dead
Humans find one living creator, wake him up to ask him some questions and instead all get killed by him in a couple of minutes
The one Human survivor finds a creator ship and decides to go to the creator homeworld to ask them again

and thats it, nothing is explained about anything and it makes the film almost a pointless experience, sure answers will be coming up in possible sequels but at least give the viewer something to take from the film apart from nice music and great special effects.

I was going to give the film a 6.5/10 but the final scene with the xeno is so bad and laughable that i have to knock it down to a 6/10.
Setting this in the ALIEN universe is pointless, it would of been better to set it in its own universe with its own set of aliens etc.

Don't go in expecting the next ALIEN or ALIENS, you won't get that. Don't go in expecting many answers to anything as you wont get that either.
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6/10
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Promethean Fire on Jun 01, 2012, 03:58:58 PM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Jun 01, 2012, 03:54:07 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:53:16 PM
Reviewers of this thread, what rating would you give Prometheus as a general science fiction film?

3/5

I would probably give this a 4 if I was completely unaware of far superior science fiction tales and the typical genre tropes.  The buzz I was getting from the audience I saw it with, was that they were really intruiged by the ideas of finding our creators.  For me though, I've heard the Shaggy God Story once too often.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on Jun 01, 2012, 04:00:32 PM
We have to wait for next friday on June 8TH if we want to get 100% complete reviews of Prometheus from fans and critics.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: pinion on Jun 01, 2012, 04:00:45 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:53:16 PM
Reviewers of this thread, what rating would you give Prometheus, not as an Alien-related film, but as a science fiction film in general?

Sci-fi based, it's heaven, hardly any weapons, just straight out that's what we don't do just now sci-fi (4/5).
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 01, 2012, 04:03:21 PM
Hey fellas, can I ask something about the Hammerpedes?

Spoiler
I've gathered that the film implies that we either brought them with us, or they were on the planet and we let them into the goo.  But isn't there a scene where David brings an ampule back to the ship and its' filled with Hammerpedes?  I thought the fans had picked that scene apart and discovered that the urn had Hammerpedes in it...
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 04:07:06 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jun 01, 2012, 04:03:21 PM
Hey fellas, can I ask something about the Hammerpedes?

Spoiler
I've gathered that the film implies that we either brought them with us, or they were on the planet and we let them into the goo.  But isn't there a scene where David brings an ampule back to the ship and its' filled with Hammerpedes?  I thought the fans had picked that scene apart and discovered that the urn had Hammerpedes in it...
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Spoiler

No, the urn has vials of liquid, which turn black when David shakes one of them. Then he breaks it open, takes a droplet and uses that to infect someone.
No hammerpedes in the urns
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Promethean Fire on Jun 01, 2012, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 01, 2012, 04:07:06 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jun 01, 2012, 04:03:21 PM
Hey fellas, can I ask something about the Hammerpedes?

Spoiler
I've gathered that the film implies that we either brought them with us, or they were on the planet and we let them into the goo.  But isn't there a scene where David brings an ampule back to the ship and its' filled with Hammerpedes?  I thought the fans had picked that scene apart and discovered that the urn had Hammerpedes in it...
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Spoiler

No, the urn has vials of liquid, which turn black when David shakes one of them. Then he breaks it open, takes a droplet and uses that to infect someone.
No hammerpedes in the urns
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Spoiler
It can be argued that there are tiny, microscopic parasitical Hammerpedes contained within the black ooze.  The first manifestation of Holloway's infection by David, is through the wriggling of a tiny worm in his eye. 
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 04:19:00 PM
What i wrote elsewhere



A wasted opportunity. Absolutely dissappointed.

A great set up, first hour of interesting plot, feels like its going somewhere then.

*spoiler*

Shit gets real, the creatures in her. That scene, is the closest to the feeling of the original alien movies in years. It was great. Then its time for half an hour of space terror.....

But you dont get that. That scene happens, and then the film gives you a  bunch of shitty scenes, with plot holes and confusion. No scary creatures chasing people, not nothing. Just a load of shit.

They just cant make films like the first few aliens anymore, and thats that. They CANT do it. The film gives us a scary alien at the end.... yes, at the end. What the f**k. Why wasnt that crreature in the movie after the first hour, giving us the horror movie Ridley said he was out to make. Instead we just get Ridley jacking off his ego and not taking the film ANYWHERE.

*unspoiler*

I just HATE how the characters are wrote really badly, people just dont seem to react to things that have happened in the plot. Its just crap.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Zenomorph on Jun 01, 2012, 04:20:51 PM
I was lucky enough to win premiere tickets in Perth, Australia
Which is a week before anyone else here
:)
(Y) GREAT SUCCESS!!!! (Y)

(I'll try to avoid spoilers so i don't have to go through and tag em)

I quite enjoyed the film myself

Of course, it doesn't top Alien
But I enjoyed the references they to it (like the little Alien motif in the score) and some of the designs were somewhat reminicent of the first films designs

Spoiler
The big tentacle creature reminded me somewhat of this pancake creature...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/TAo5HOus0tI/AAAAAAAAAQE/StB4a5S2slE/s1600/facehugger.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/TAo5HOus0tI/AAAAAAAAAQE/StB4a5S2slE/s1600/facehugger.jpg)
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(SO I lied I put in spoilers ^)

Aesthetically I thought the film was shot beautifully, like all of Ridleys work of course
but as people have said there were many flaws in the story and...

Spoiler
Vickers death that way was uncalled for  :'( ...and why the hell don't they run to the side and not just forward and then stop on look at the thing...idiots...
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Main let down for me was it wasn't scary enough, not so much suspense or at least the trailers ruined the most of them
:(

Other than that in my opinion it was a good film that stands alone and was one of the better this year so far
i say a 8/10 for me, because it felt really good to have a scifi that wasn't just based solely on explosions *cough* Transformers 2/3 *cough*
and its great to see Ridley back
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 12:12:30 PM
I've only read the 'its climax felt rushed' from maybe 3 people.

The ending was just a missed opportunity but its still not the worst ending her like some are making out. Ideally what this film could have done with is an extra 30 minutes in the running length, and I'm pretty sure they've shot a lot more than they showed us
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 01, 2012, 04:25:18 PM
Thanks for answering my Hammerpede question^ :-\ disappointing, but not entirely I suppose.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Promethean Fire on Jun 01, 2012, 04:29:48 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jun 01, 2012, 04:25:18 PM
Thanks for answering my Hammerpede question^ :-\ disappointing, but not entirely I suppose.

The Hammerpede is kind of pointless actually. 
Spoiler
It has acid for blood, gets inside your body and kills you.  End of.  Millburn is the one and only victim of it.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: P1NK8C1DBOOTS on Jun 01, 2012, 04:33:51 PM
I got to admit I did love this film, my expectations were high and it did deliver! Ok there were a few too many things going off for me and there was some stuff that wasn't neccary but overall I really enjoyed this film! The last 5 minutes I thought this is how It bridges into Alien but then something else "pops up" which ruined my theory of how it bridges! Tbf it is a stand alone movie but can definitely see the links to Alien! It does need and for me personally deserves a 2nd watch!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 04:35:15 PM
Slept on it, and hashed out my thoughts: http://alienseries.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/prometheus-review.html (http://alienseries.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/prometheus-review.html)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: P1NK8C1DBOOTS on Jun 01, 2012, 04:35:49 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 01, 2012, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 12:12:30 PM
I've only read the 'its climax felt rushed' from maybe 3 people.

The ending was just a missed opportunity but its still not the worst ending her like some are making out. Ideally what this film could have done with is an extra 30 minutes in the running length, and I'm pretty sure they've shot a lot more than they showed us

Agreed, parts felt a little rushed!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 05:20:04 PM
I thought the designs of all the various Aliens were terrible also which is weird compared to everything else in the movie which looked great.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Zenomorph on Jun 01, 2012, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: Kimo on Jun 01, 2012, 04:56:56 AM
Just got back from seeing Prometheus...


Oh and another thing is that at the end of the film people were clapping... now i live in the UK and up north i never hear people clap infact this was my first time hearing people clap.

Haha, at my cinema (in Perth, Australia) we barely get clapping unless its a massive nerdfest, like when I went to the Star Wars EpIII Premiere
For this Prometheus premiere I was the one who started those mother fk-ers clapping
YEEEH BUDDDY!!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RoaryUK on Jun 01, 2012, 06:12:00 PM
6.5/10

Mainly for great visuals and set design, the first half of Prometheus was everything I hope for, but after that the film really starts going down hill, the last 20 mins so badly editied, some scenes making no sense at all, or worse, being left  unexplained, while the final scene with you-know-what is just silly AvP style.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Alien³ on Jun 01, 2012, 06:18:10 PM
My short review from my film review website...http://allaboutfilm.tumblr.com/ (http://allaboutfilm.tumblr.com/)

Prometheus (2012)

A team of explorers heads out into the darkest depths of space to meet a race of beings who had given life to Earth. Excitement is running high until they get there and discover not all is what it seems. 

Now, as many people know, I've been harking on about this movie ever since I heard it was being made, but unlike a lot of fans out there i decided to not over-hype myself. Yes I talked about it a lot but I understood the fact that it wasn't going to be what I expected. So at mid-night May 31st 2012 I sat down and watched possibly the most interesting movie ever with open arms.

This movie will be a marmite movie. Audiences will either love it or hate it. I...well...I loved it! It breathed fresh new acidic life into the Alien franchise after the Appalling failures that were AVP & AVP2 and brought a whole new table of things to talk about. So many new things that I would advise seeing it twice or maybe three times. 

There were a few of issues that bugged me with Ridley's return to sci-fi: 1) Too many sub-characters, they were just there to rack up the body count. 2) The last 30 seconds. It was awesome to know that thing was out there (so to speak), but I felt it could have been handled with more class; and 3) the open ending. This is only a concern if a sequel is never made.

Apart from those three things I loved it all. Prometheus looks absolutely stunning the effects were some of the best I've seen and blended so well with the mind-blowing set pieces! The score (I might be the only one who says this) was beautiful and fitted perfectly with the scale of the movie. All the creatures (especially the Engineers) were terrifying and badass, even if their life cycle was a little blurry at times and the cast were all on top form especially Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Idris Elba and Charlize Theron. They were sympathetic and believable from start to finish.         

Not a classic like Alien but a blinding romp through sci-fi horror, a genre that had been missed for a long time. Prometheus is a genuinely scary roller-coaster ride with nail-biting scene after nail-biting scene. I look forward to the sequel Riddles, if you're reading this. 

8/10
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on Jun 01, 2012, 06:44:51 PM
Just remembered one detail that might put a tiny smile on peoples faces, including those who haven't seen it yet.

Remember the trailer/tv-spot shots of the Prometheus arriving at the planetoid, displaying those huge PROMETHEUS letters on the side of the hull and how it looked quite bad? I'm happy to report that they are gone in the finished film - 100% gone.  :)
Title: Re: My VERY extensive plot overview and review -
Post by: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 01, 2012, 06:47:53 PM
I agree with every point made here.

So much just seemed rushed, unexplained and the script is really shoddy.
Spoiler
It started when Shaw clearly mark the MedPod out blatantly for use later on and just got worse with clunky lines, weak characters and ridiculous looking creatures.
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Nicely filmed, but I just cannot believe how Ridley Scott thought that script was good.

Basically, all the decent bits AND storyline are revealed in the trailer also.

Very disappointed - 4/10 for me.

Title: Re: My VERY extensive plot overview and review -
Post by: Mastes1 on Jun 01, 2012, 06:49:51 PM
I appreciate the responce bud, it took me an age to write lol.
Title: Re: My VERY extensive plot overview and review -
Post by: zakzak on Jun 01, 2012, 06:54:57 PM
Are these posts created by people who want to seriously lower audience expectations for the movie? 4/10 is a little harsh. Judging by the footage alone, the movie even with a clunky screenplay can still garter a 6/10 to 7/10
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 01, 2012, 06:56:03 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 01, 2012, 03:53:16 PM
Reviewers of this thread, what rating would you give Prometheus, not as an Alien-related film, but as a science fiction film in general?

Difficult to say... it's certainly the best sci/fi thriller in years. I don't think it's as good as The Matrix say (although of course The Matrix is not really a thriller), but infinitely better than stuff like Event Horizon, Sunshine etc. Ultimately, I don't think it comes close to Alien or Aliens... how could it? But it's head and shoulders above everything else that has copied that Alien/Aliens template over the past 20/30 years. Another thing - it's the only movie, other than possibly Aliens, that's the most reminiscent of Alien, but at the same time, it's the most removed (due to the lack of xeno's no doubt).

As an Alien movie - 8/10
As a Sci/Fi movie - 7.5/10
Title: Re: My VERY extensive plot overview and review -
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 01, 2012, 06:59:35 PM
Quote from: zakzak on Jun 01, 2012, 06:54:57 PM
Are these posts created by people who want to seriously lower audience expectations for the movie? 4/10 is a little harsh. Judging by the footage alone, the movie even with a clunky screenplay can still garter a 6/10 to 7/10

Well, with respect, our views are based on the entire 124 minutes of the film, not the 5 minutes or so of clips and trailers. May I suggest you see the film yourself and form your own view before criticising the views of others. We all have our own opinions - there are as many people ecstatic with the film as those who dislike it. I hope you fall into the first camp.
Title: Re: My VERY extensive plot overview and review -
Post by: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 01, 2012, 07:00:43 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on Jun 01, 2012, 06:49:51 PM
I appreciate the responce bud, it took me an age to write lol.

Well, it saved me writing it mate!


Quote from: zakzak on Jun 01, 2012, 06:54:57 PM
Are these posts created by people who want to seriously lower audience expectations for the movie? 4/10 is a little harsh. Judging by the footage alone, the movie even with a clunky screenplay can still garter a 6/10 to 7/10

Maybe, but I am factoring in the missed opportunity and my disappointment of the film.
It was just so off  >:( and I hate to say it.
Title: Re: My VERY extensive plot overview and review -
Post by: Mastes1 on Jun 01, 2012, 07:05:17 PM
Quote from: zakzak on Jun 01, 2012, 06:54:57 PM
Are these posts created by people who want to seriously lower audience expectations for the movie? 4/10 is a little harsh. Judging by the footage alone, the movie even with a clunky screenplay can still garter a 6/10 to 7/10
To be honest, its probably a good thing to lower your expectations.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ripley161 on Jun 01, 2012, 07:15:35 PM
Just come back from seeing the movie. Went with 2 mates and actually loved it to bits. Not the best at reviews but  I can honestly say it was worth the wait. Still Lots of questions to be answered in a sequel but nice and original . Sooooooooooo happy.
Thank you Ridley  :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: 343 on Jun 01, 2012, 07:22:27 PM
The Dutch fans (i am too  ;D )are quite happy with the movie! 3,73/5
http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820 (http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820)
http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820/votes/ (http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820/votes/)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Vickers on Jun 01, 2012, 07:24:25 PM
Quote from: Eva on Jun 01, 2012, 06:44:51 PM
Just remembered one detail that might put a tiny smile on peoples faces, including those who haven't seen it yet.

Remember the trailer/tv-spot shots of the Prometheus arriving at the planetoid, displaying those huge PROMETHEUS letters on the side of the hull and how it looked quite bad? I'm happy to report that they are gone in the finished film - 100% gone.  :)

Awesome! ;D

Can you comment on any of these - if they stayed with the newer version or switched back to the original shots:

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi45.tinypic.com%2For5xms.jpg&hash=a4d68f6ba3a6757c99ddd7d0f843cd5497ab8555)
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If I'm not mistaken, in some new TV spots and featurettes, I think they switched back to the original cleaner shot of Shaw being blown away by the storm.  That's great if they did and I'm curious to know if some of the reverts were because they've been paying attention. ;D
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on Jun 01, 2012, 07:31:33 PM
Mostly the after shots if memory serves me right. I seem to remember David turning the ampule upside down and the black goo is only at the bottom - the rest somewhat transparent. He breaks something off and manages to catch a drop of it. Wasn't this in one of the clip promos?

For Shaw getting caught in the storm, I seem to remember there being a hell of a lot of debris in the air, dust, sand, rocks...

The engineer has the map hologram on while he sits in the chair and he operates some of the controls. The sound effects in this scene are just unreal.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Lie on Jun 01, 2012, 07:58:54 PM
SPOILERS

I watched Prometheus twice in a row, first time with mates, the second time alone putting jokes aside and taking it all in, I wasn't at all disappointed by the fact that Alien Alien wasn't in it and I thought I would be. I saw it more as a prequel of a prequel which makes me think that Yutani finds the next location for the next film. I thought I'd go in and have all my questions answers couldn't be happier to be disappointed. Although know we know why Alien is so aggressive without remorse or compromise and why it has no illusions of morality.

Vickers was my favorite, a strong woman taking no shit plus she killed that prick Holloway and the extra bit of her story; her looking for what she felt was a birthright 'Weyland Industries' the whole daddy little girl turned rouge was... Attractive :-* Also how she interacted with David was interesting to say the least. I don't know where I stand on David as a character because he had his A.I. moments like when Weyland said he didn't have a soul which made me feel for him a bit but to rub the death of Shaw father in her face was sick and uncalled for, I loved when he asked Shaw "What could you possibly want to know?", Shaw "Why they created us then wanted to destroy us? What did we do wrong?". Another David vs Shaw moment being; David: "I was afraid you were dead" Shaw: "You don't know what it's like to be afraid David". I thought Shaw was in alright not Ridely's strongest protagonist which made a nice change, until she turned into a psycho woman drugged herself a shit load of times and went about her day as if she hadn't just given birth some monstrous creature. I thought she was really weak up until that point but the turn was so sudden that I thought that thing (the engineer) was gonna talk to her. Because by the end of the film she was like "Look! >:( I came her looking for my answers and by YOU I will get them! >:("

I went in hoping that the film was gonna scare me and it did, top 3 horrific points;

1. The snake going down that guys throat, My heart was pounding!
2. The head before exploding, I didn't know what to expect I was on the edge of my seat.
3. When the new alien did it's thing ;), made me jump it was so f**king creepy but in the BEST way! ;D

Overall I enjoyed the film worth the wait, worth knowing next to nothing about it.

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Quote from: Laufey on Jun 01, 2012, 02:56:10 AM
Holloway was a total douche and I wasn't the least bit sorry to see him go up in flames.

I couldn't agree more. My mate was like "David was an asshole" David was doing as his told it what you'd expect.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Gallatron2000 on Jun 01, 2012, 08:12:34 PM
Hi

Been lurking on this site for a while now! A few people aren't gonna like what I say! Alien is probably my best film ever apart from The Shining which I think is on par. But this film is one of the biggest let downs Ive ever seen I am well gutted! :(. Where was the atmosphere? I know this is trying to be a separate film to alien but the designs were awful! I laughed at scenes! Arrghhhh! Am so gutted! Please don't do Bladerunner 2 if this is what you have to offer leave that alone.

Needed to be said. I am now off to cry myself to sleep.

Gall

5 out 10
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Melack on Jun 01, 2012, 08:21:17 PM
WARNING TOTAL SPOILER REVIEW

Pretty much matched my high expectations, albeit not in the way I thought. Which is positive cause the movie surprised me! I loved how un-Alien it was, it really is it's own beast even though obviously set in the same universe.

First-most I must mention the visuals, what incredible visuals! Photography, camera-work, visual-effects, CGI, set-design, 3D, it all came together in an absolutely gorgeous and immersive way. Top notch all the way, oh how I have missed you in sci-fi Ridley! Visually it's a masterpiece in my mind.

Now to the script and story. Not amazing, but better then I expected! I was afraid the meaning-of-life stuff would try too hard, but to my liking it didn't try to give any answers or be too deep. Instead it focused on the actual sci-fi elements and after seeing this film I don't wanna discuss the mysteries of life, I wanna discuss the mysteries of the Prometheus universe. And what a rich univese they have created. It leaves you with so much memorable and striking imagery. Also a lot of thoughts about how it all works and how it all hangs together, even though it's not meant to have a one true answer. The movie drills into your mind and sure doesn't leave it when it's over, quite the opposite it's still drilling. Can't stop thinking about it and all I wanna do is see it again.

One fear was also that the movie would de-mystify the first Alien movie, but I loved how infact it gave more new questions than answers to old questions.

Now the movie has some flaws. As far as the narrative and pacing goes, it could have been much better. Well I loved the first and the last act, it's the middle that drags a bit and feels forced. Otherwise I love the slow and uneventful beginning of the movie. Love the scenes with David walking around the ship. Even though as a whole the movie doesn't always flow perfectly, there is always individual scenes around to blow you away. The scene when David discovers the Engineer-ship is just beautiful for example.

The last part of the movie, from Shaws operation and onwards it's just a big huge intense pay-off for the contemplating, mystery and searching. It's more intense and captivating though than horrifying, and that's where the movie surprised me and I guess will disappoint some people. But I don't mind at all, I was still on the edge of my seat in the end! The fans who wanted this to be more akin to Alien will be disappointed. At parts it's actually more beautiful than scary.

The scene where David wakes up the engineer is so tense and thrilling at the same time. Loved the engineer himself, very bad-ass and mysterious.

So about the new monster, Shaw's baby. It isn't a brilliant piece of design or anything and I know that will disappoint many fans. But damn it's freaky, it did it's job for me and really creeped me out. Especially cause it seemed to primitive and identity-less, yet so complicated. The plot-point about experimenting with DNA to create life and bio-weapons really works for me. Making the whole thing about life very unpredictable and I love how the engineers had been killed by their own engineering.

Some of the characters were weak parts of the movie, especially Holloway which is unfortunate since he plays quite a big part. Both poorly written and woodenly acted. Vickers had potential but often fell flat and the twist with her was predictable and uninspiring. Some of the characters worked great though so it wasn't all bad. Shaw and David were both solidly characterized and greatly acted, Fassbender and Rapace shined, especially together. I also liked Idris Elba's character, one to sympathize with and relate to. Something that lacked in most of the other side-characters, they never felt like real people which made a lot of the action with them feel unengaging.

Also some things in the movie I felt were missed opportunities. I would have wanted to see the new creatures have more screen-time and kill more humans. A lot of the deaths of human-characters were very unmemorable and uninspiring.

But the thing that left the biggest impression and impact on me was the last 15 minutes and the very ending. Loved how Shaw teamed up with David and how it showed that even though the events of the movie had been huge it was still just a tiny piece of an endless puzzle. Totally satisfying ending for me and I was about to prepare for credits when... Proto-Xeno!! Damn, one of the biggest and coolest nerdgasms of my life. It looked awesome!

I really hope this movie does well and that the lukewarm reviews get outnumbered by the positive ones. Cause I NEED a sequel to this, I need more of this world. I hope the making of this movie struck a nerve in old Ridley when it comes to making sci-fi, cause with this one he really showed me that he still has some of that magic in him.

A strong 4 out of 5 from me, 4,5 if you so will. Sorry for the rambling though, I'm still exhilarated from the movie.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Le Celticant on Jun 01, 2012, 08:26:55 PM
QuoteFirst-most I must mention the visuals, what incredible visuals! Photography, camera-work, visual-effects, CGI, set-design, 3D, it all came together in an absolutely gorgeous and immersive way. Top notch all the way, oh how I have missed you in sci-fi Ridley! Visually it's a masterpiece in my mind.

I 100% agree with CGI and the use of 3D (for once even if I'm against and I hate 3D, It didn't bother me much and felt even natural).
The CGI were mind blowing as you said.

But the camera work and Photography was laughable.
He ain't Terrence Malick or Stanley Kubrick and even Indie director as Steve Macqueen, Gaspard Noé and many others performs much better with less budget.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Berserker Pred on Jun 01, 2012, 08:36:29 PM
Amazing film! Loved it! The CGI was fantastic and the 3D was good! The only thing is that I wish they included more horor but other than that it was great! 4 out of 5.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: 8thPassenger on Jun 01, 2012, 09:25:25 PM
Just got home...

I'm still a bit confused, really. At the moment my opinion is that while the film was nowhere near as bad as some people here say, it wasn't a masterpiece, either.

Let's just start off with something obvious: the film looks absolutely amazing. And this is coming from someone who values story and realistic characters over everything else, and doesn't usually get that excited about sheer visuals. But Prometheus is just beautiful. The 3D isn't overpowering, and unlike in many recent CGI-heavy films, the camera actually stays in place for longer than 3 seconds at a time, actually giving the viewer a chance to really see what's happening!

The acting was also generally very good, with Rapace, Fassbender and Theron being great. I read a review which seemed to put down Theron's performance, but I really can't agree with that. I think she played the part perfectly. And LMG wasn't bad, either.

I had absolutely no problem with the story in general, but the execution felt rushed. Like there was too much stuff crammed in, and the film tried to be a little bit of everything. I understand that most moviegoers have a taste different that mine, and that Alien was released over 30 years ago, but I still love the way that movie is paced. It takes it's time. The story of Prometheus , on the other hand, is constantly in a hurry to go somewhere, and as a result the atmosphere is somewhat lacking. I know the reference to Alien isn't entirely fair: Alien is such a simple story, while Prometheus tries to ask some huge philosophical questions. But maybe there's a limit to how many elements you can, and should, include in a 2-hour movie. While watching Prometheus, I found myself emotionally disconnected from the characters and the story. I didn't really care about them or feel sympathy, and the tension didn't rise with every crew member dying.

Oh, and the score sucked.

3/5
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JKS1 on Jun 01, 2012, 10:02:55 PM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 05:20:04 PM
I thought the designs of all the various Aliens were terrible also which is weird compared to everything else in the movie which looked great.

With the exceptions of the Engineers and the Hammerpedes who I thought were pretty cool I agree with you.
The other creatures were completely laughable B movie shite and not the type of thing you'd expect to see in the high end fare that Ridley Scott has been known to produce

Giger should've been in charge of this aspect of the movie and we'd have had something far more unsettling and genuinely 'otherworldly'.....I mean giant squids and that bad joke at the end !!???

WTF !!!????

The set design and tech was all fantastic though which is why the crappy laughable monsters are so disappointing
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: JKS1 on Jun 01, 2012, 10:02:55 PM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 05:20:04 PM
I thought the designs of all the various Aliens were terrible also which is weird compared to everything else in the movie which looked great.

With the exceptions of the Engineers and the Hammerpedes who I thought were pretty cool I agree with you.
The other creatures were completely laughable B movie shite and not the type of thing you'd expect to see in the high end fare that Ridley Scott has been known to produce

Giger should've been in charge of this aspect of the movie and we'd have had something far more unsettling and genuinely 'otherworldly'.....I mean giant squids and that bad joke at the end !!???

WTF !!!????

The set design and tech was all fantastic though which is why the crappy laughable monsters are so disappointing

The first creature you see

*spoiler* The one that makes the first kill *end spoiler*

When i saw it, you know what it looked like. The garbage alien out of Star Wars IV (the one that pulls luke under the water as walls are closing in)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 01, 2012, 11:21:53 PM
It's funny how some people seem to think material was crammed in and the movie could have been improved with a longer cut. I'm of the exact opposite view. I thought at least 10 mins could have been taken out and it would have made the movie much tighter... and I say this as someone who thought it was good. I'd doubt very much if Scott will have a directors cut (unless just to make money), as additional/extended scenes would just detract.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Firestorm on Jun 01, 2012, 11:30:37 PM
Ok so i'm just back from seeing Prometheus.

My review which will have spoilers and probably suck due to me not doing reviews at all ever...

Spoiler
I am pretty dissapointed to be honest, there where a few decent standout parts to the film, ie Fassbenders role, Noomi, the Sets and the cinematography, plus i quite enjoyed watching idris elba and theron work.

However, the main letdown for me was the whole jockey is a guy in a suit thing, it just doesn't work.

I have always viewed the space jockey as some grotesque, terrifying and otherworldy alien completley detatched from anything even remotley related to our world, now confirmed by shaws DNA examination it is, us?  Major heartache there.

Also, the creature designs where awful, really they where. The squid creature birthed by shaw was totally shit, and the final shot of the proto alien just reminded me of this Japanese AVP ripoff called Alien Vs Ninja:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fqiq.ws%2Fmedia%2Fnpict%2F1104%2Fbig%2Fchuzhie_protiv_nindzya_alien_vs_ninja_2010_hdrip_mp4_1019187.jpeg&hash=1f5540ec82566ea96d99484823494ce82b26e0ae)

Theres alot more stuff that also really pissed me off which i am far too tired to go into right now, but i'll end by saying that i believe Prometheus is a mediocre Sci-Fi movie that would have been best having no relation to the Alien franchise whatsoever, allowing the films shortcomings (As a movie which just happens to be explaining the meaning of everything, who the Space Jockey was, and all within the ALien universe) far far easier for myself and i'm dam sure many other long time Alien fans to accept and walk away from.

For me its back to my Alien/ALiens Blu-Ray once again. 

[close]
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 11:34:14 PM
My full review


This is the summed up version.  Spoiler free version.

Imagine the original Alien. Imagine you get the first hour.... but instead of delivering the amazing second half of the film, the part with nail biting terror and suspense.... it doesnt... it goes nowhere and gives you none of that. Thats Prometheus.

Spoiler version.

The film begins strong, with a great set up and some amazing set pieces. The music is too nice, sounds more like a fantasy adventure movie theme than a sci-fi/horror theme.... it made everything seem lighter.

They demystify the space jockeys.... terribly. Instead of something interesting they are basically giant rubber humans.... not scary or interesting in the slightest...quite laughable.  David is the most interesting character...but unlike Ash he doesnt deliver one what the story promises. Many plot points are totally pointless or looked over. David spikes someones drink with the alien DNA. Why does he do this? they never answer this.... and it doesnt achieve anything. He doesnt seem remotely bothered by this plan he hatched up. When Naomis character gets impregnated, David drugs her up, specifically to freeze her and take her back to earth. So you think "ahh, the Weyland agenda"..... Now this is where you think the film is going to get amazing. 

The following scene in which Naomis character struggles to the medical bay machine thing, and has it perform an emergy ceserian.... is the best scene in the entire movie. That scene was AMAZING, it was literally like watching the ripley dream sequence from Aliens for the first time. I was on the edge of my seat, the music got all serious. I turned to my girlfriend and went "holy shit, this is just like Aliens". That scene was f**king amazing. From that point i expected the film to go down the route of 30 minutes of the new creatures killing people and Naomis character trying to survive and destroy the ship or escape.... This does not happen. Instead they kill the momentum with the most confusing and pointless plot twist that could have been imagined. Suddenly David and the others forget about the plan they had to freezer her. They dont seem to care, they ifnact allow her to come along with them and Weyland to speak to aspace jockey. I was literally banging my head at the severe stupidity of this. There are many scenes in this film where actions are taken and then discarded pointlessly. Many of the characters that Ridley spends half the film building up, are just discarded pointlessly.

Charleze Therons character ended  up being pointless. If you really think on it, she served no purpose and they never really put her character anywhere.  the creature designs sucked, they were terrible... you can tell H.R Giger hadnt designed them, you can tell Stan Winston is no longer with us also.  So many scenes get set up, but they just dont get used. So many possible stories get set up, but they dont get used. Instead huge plot holes get generated, aswell as some bad continuity to other Alien movies including the original Alien.

The ending was stupid. She decides not to go home, but to go travel the galaxy and visit the Space Jockeys home world.... Its that easy? What about supplies, food, etc. She can just hop into an Alien vessel with David (the guy that killed her husband, and tried to kill her multiple times) and go site seeing. Absolutely awful ending.  So much more i could write... but whats the point, youll either know exactly what im talking about... or completely disagree with me. Those are my thoughts, peace.

Good scenes
The sandstorm.
Medical Bay "Abortion"
Arm breaker face rape.

Thats about it.....

Bad... most of the movie.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Firestorm on Jun 01, 2012, 11:43:44 PM
MrLee i love your review, because it is EXACTLY what i wanted to write but just could not be bothered to type.

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on Jun 01, 2012, 11:45:32 PM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 11:34:14 PM
My full review


This is the summed up version.  Spoiler free version.

Imagine the original Alien. Imagine you get the first hour.... but instead of delivering the amazing second half of the film, the part with nail biting terror and suspense.... it doesnt... it goes nowhere and gives you none of that. Thats Prometheus.

Spoiler version.

The film begins strong, with a great set up and some amazing set pieces. The music is too nice, sounds more like a fantasy adventure movie theme than a sci-fi/horror theme.... it made everything seem lighter.

They demystify the space jockeys.... terribly. Instead of something interesting they are basically giant rubber humans.... not scary or interesting in the slightest...quite laughable.  David is the most interesting character...but unlike Ash he doesnt deliver one what the story promises. Many plot points are totally pointless or looked over. David spikes someones drink with the alien DNA. Why does he do this? they never answer this.... and it doesnt achieve anything. He doesnt seem remotely bothered by this plan he hatched up. When Naomis character gets impregnated, David drugs her up, specifically to freeze her and take her back to earth. So you think "ahh, the Weyland agenda"..... Now this is where you think the film is going to get amazing. 

The following scene in which Naomis character struggles to the medical bay machine thing, and has it perform an emergy ceserian.... is the best scene in the entire movie. That scene was AMAZING, it was literally like watching the ripley dream sequence from Aliens for the first time. I was on the edge of my seat, the music got all serious. I turned to my girlfriend and went "holy shit, this is just like Aliens". That scene was f**king amazing. From that point i expected the film to go down the route of 30 minutes of the new creatures killing people and Naomis character trying to survive and destroy the ship or escape.... This does not happen. Instead they kill the momentum with the most confusing and pointless plot twist that could have been imagined. Suddenly David and the others forget about the plan they had to freezer her. They dont seem to care, they ifnact allow her to come along with them and Weyland to speak to aspace jockey. I was literally banging my head at the severe stupidity of this. There are many scenes in this film where actions are taken and then discarded pointlessly. Many of the characters that Ridley spends half the film building up, are just discarded pointlessly.

Charleze Therons character ended  up being pointless. If you really think on it, she served no purpose and they never really put her character anywhere.  the creature designs sucked, they were terrible... you can tell H.R Giger hadnt designed them, you can tell Stan Winston is no longer with us also.  So many scenes get set up, but they just dont get used. So many possible stories get set up, but they dont get used. Instead huge plot holes get generated, aswell as some bad continuity to other Alien movies including the original Alien.

The ending was stupid. She decides not to go home, but to go travel the galaxy and visit the Space Jockeys home world.... Its that easy? What about supplies, food, etc. She can just hop into an Alien vessel with David (the guy that killed her husband, and tried to kill her multiple times) and go site seeing. Absolutely awful ending.  So much more i could write... but whats the point, youll either know exactly what im talking about... or completely disagree with me. Those are my thoughts, peace.

Good scenes
The sandstorm.
Medical Bay "Abortion"
Arm breaker face rape.

Thats about it.....

Bad... most of the movie.

Looks like you were expecting too much MrLee.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 11:47:51 PM
^ Was it really too much to expect Ridley to take the movie somewhere? Alot of people are saying similar things, i dont think i expected too much at all, Ridley just didnt deliver the movie many people were hoping to get.

The reason im so angry is because the first hour he sets the movie up perfectly, and with the medical bay scene he proves he can still do horror.... why why why did he miss the opportunity to give us a great tense finale?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: EEV-2501 on Jun 01, 2012, 11:48:27 PM
ALIEN film or general Sci-Fi film, it's weak and lazy regarding the thematics who were supposed to be approached by the film. They have promised to us a trip about creation and evolution but there is almost nothing about that. It works because technically it's perfectly executed but in a matter of content for a big Sci-Fi film directed by Sir Ridley Scott, i'm sorry but i found it very poor. What can we expect from the Jon Spaiths, the man who wrote The Darkest Hour and from Damon Lidelof ? Nothing of course. Nothing but emptyness and xxx questions for no answers.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 11:53:46 PM
A few examples of how i feel, just to add a bit of light hearted humour to this situation.



Me to my girlfriend "Oh my god, this is just like aliens, this is getting awesome" *Film then gives plot twist*

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F000%2F096%2F044%2Ftrollface.jpg%3F1296494117&hash=8d31f2ca9d4ceb7a9f24c2f9efbbd40f0a5daf1c)

When the credits roll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI#)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 01, 2012, 11:53:57 PM
The facts.

1. Jon Spaihts - he turned in a first draft for The Darkest Hour and it was re-written several times
2. Lindelof - He has more hits than misses. He was one of many many writers on Cowboys and Aliens

I have a hard time people judging the art for them not liking it. But to each their own.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Ballzanya on Jun 01, 2012, 11:55:13 PM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Jun 01, 2012, 04:29:48 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jun 01, 2012, 04:25:18 PM
Thanks for answering my Hammerpede question^ :-\ disappointing, but not entirely I suppose.

The Hammerpede is kind of pointless actually. 
Spoiler
It has acid for blood, gets inside your body and kills you.  End of.  Millburn is the one and only victim of it.
[close]

So why is the hammerpede needed by the space jockeys? How does it fit into the life cycle of the
Spoiler
proto alien?
[close]
Perhaps they took its dna and mixed it with the same species as the thing that comes out of shaw to create the regular aliens we know of. (just not depicted in the film)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 11:56:42 PM
^ The Hammerpede isnt of any relevance, im sure its created accidentally when

*spoiler*

the little worns in the ground crawl into the black goo

*end spoiler*

Does anyone else agree the scene where they give the briefing to the crew is an corny as the AVP briefing scene?

"AND YET".  "An invitation".  Those two lines, the way they are delivered.... ... so cheesy.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Ballzanya on Jun 02, 2012, 12:00:34 AM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 11:56:42 PM
^ The Hammerpede isnt of any relevance, im sure its created accidentally when

*spoiler*

the little worns in the ground crawl into the black goo
Now I'm confused, why do they have acid for blood then, if they were unintentionally created and not related in any way to the xenomorphs? Are the worms simply inhabitants of lv-223?
Also though if they grow into the hammerpede things in like 2 seconds I'll be pissed.  :D
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 02, 2012, 12:03:33 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Jun 02, 2012, 12:00:34 AM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 11:56:42 PM
^ The Hammerpede isnt of any relevance, im sure its created accidentally when

*spoiler*

the little worns in the ground crawl into the black goo
Now I'm confused, why do they have acid for blood then, if they were unintentionally created and not related in any way to the xenomorphs? Are the worms simply inhabitants of lv-223?
Also though if they grow into the hammerpede things in like 2 seconds I'll be pissed.  :D
People that havent seen the film and dont want spoilers, just dont read my posts if they have large paragraphs

Its over the course of a few hours. Im sure its the worms, they make a specific point of showing the worms upon entry. And then later showing the worms swimming in the pool of goo.

Ive no idea why they have acid for blood. One of the statues on the wall looks like THE alien... maybe its the same gene pool. Either way it makes no f**king sense. I mean, they make it as if the "proto alien" comes from an infected space jockey. So tell me why the space jockeys on LV-426 have the alien eggs stored as if they engineered them, why they have facehuggers that are all the same. If this one creature came from a mistake, long after the jockeys are gone. Tell me how this ties into the Alien saga. I cant see it.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: EEV-2501 on Jun 02, 2012, 12:04:24 AM
I think the little worms and the Xeno-Snakes are two different things but both inhabitants of the planet.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 02, 2012, 12:06:10 AM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Jun 02, 2012, 12:04:24 AM
I think the little worms and the Xeno-Snakes are two different things but both inhabitants of the planet.

But the snakes are not there originally, they come from out of the goo, which is what makes me think the worms getting covered in it morphed into those. No scene indicates or suggests other ccreatures are there etc. Plus they can facehug and control which suggests a relation to the "DNA weapon Goo" the jockeys had stockpiles of.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: EEV-2501 on Jun 02, 2012, 12:08:23 AM
I think they are just lurking around in the pyramid.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 02, 2012, 12:09:17 AM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Jun 02, 2012, 12:08:23 AM
I think they just lurking around in the pyramid.

Why did the geologists even go back into that room anyway.... *over 9000*
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: EEV-2501 on Jun 02, 2012, 12:12:39 AM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 02, 2012, 12:09:17 AM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Jun 02, 2012, 12:08:23 AM
I think they just lurking around in the pyramid.

Why did the geologists even go back into that room anyway.... *over 9000*
Cause the screenplay is lame. I don't know.  ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 02, 2012, 12:13:32 AM
97 percent fresh from fans on Rotten Tomatoes! CRAZY
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Ballzanya on Jun 02, 2012, 12:14:05 AM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 02, 2012, 12:03:33 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Jun 02, 2012, 12:00:34 AM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 11:56:42 PM
^ The Hammerpede isnt of any relevance, im sure its created accidentally when

*spoiler*

the little worns in the ground crawl into the black goo
Now I'm confused, why do they have acid for blood then, if they were unintentionally created and not related in any way to the xenomorphs? Are the worms simply inhabitants of lv-223?
Also though if they grow into the hammerpede things in like 2 seconds I'll be pissed.  :D
People that havent seen the film and dont want spoilers, just dont read my posts if they have large paragraphs

Its over the course of a few hours. Im sure its the worms, they make a specific point of showing the worms upon entry. And then later showing the worms swimming in the pool of goo.

Ive no idea why they have acid for blood. One of the statues on the wall looks like THE alien... maybe its the same gene pool. Either way it makes no f**king sense. I mean, they make it as if the "proto alien" comes from an infected space jockey. So tell me why the space jockeys on LV-426 have the alien eggs stored as if they engineered them, why they have facehuggers that are all the same. If this one creature came from a mistake, long after the jockeys are gone. Tell me how this ties into the Alien saga. I cant see it.
Well, the hammerpedes are in the trailer so I didn't think I needed a spoiler tag to mention them here.  ;D
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Frood on Jun 02, 2012, 12:14:50 AM
Just seen today on a 3D screen today.

I will admit I came in with huge expectations though tempered by previous reviews yet I was keen to be open minded for new unexpected scares which is what I wanted.

First off the 3D effect is sublime when the spacecraft goes in for the landing, there is a huge depth in the framing of each shot its just fantastic.  Pretty much all the major establishing shots look amazing.

I thought the exploration element wasnt taken as far as it could go especially with the two scared team members left behind.  I thought that could have been an oppurtunity for exploring more of the mystery of the wipe out of the SJs.

Characters wise, Fassbender does an exceptional job of creating a friendly character that whist still keeping friendly takes on a more menacing angle as the film goes on, it really was well done.  Noomi as Shaw does a good job but takes on elements of heroism that dont play out even when we know her convictions, I think it needed another step.

The scares, well there were not any in the sense of unique set ups, they usually used weird OTT SFX hits to accentuate the jump scare which I thought was pretty cheap.

The creatures,  I really liked the snake scene though I felt it was a bit forced and all the other action moments didnt seem to go anywhere or have connotations so Im thinking alot was cut out of the theatrical edit.  The proto Alien at the end just left me cold, terrible concept.  I thought the Alien 3 birthing scene was pretty powerful like in Hell Raiser 1  but this didnt have any of the menace of both of those films.

Altogeher I was left dissapointed that Scott seemed to have only taken the helm for choreography which is brilliant but left the storytelling to someone who cannot decide on any constistent primal menace which pretty much left everyone confused.

3/5









Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Lie on Jun 02, 2012, 12:20:13 AM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 01, 2012, 11:53:46 PM
A few examples of how i feel, just to add a bit of light hearted humour to this situation.



Me to my girlfriend "Oh my god, this is just like aliens, this is getting awesome" *Film then gives plot twist*

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F000%2F096%2F044%2Ftrollface.jpg%3F1296494117&hash=8d31f2ca9d4ceb7a9f24c2f9efbbd40f0a5daf1c)

When the credits roll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI#)

That's a perfect way to sum up the ending. ;D
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Gash on Jun 02, 2012, 12:27:23 AM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 02, 2012, 12:09:17 AM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Jun 02, 2012, 12:08:23 AM
I think they just lurking around in the pyramid.

Why did the geologists even go back into that room anyway.... *over 9000*

They didn't. they hadn't been in the room, they left for the ship before the others entered it.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 02, 2012, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 02, 2012, 12:13:32 AM
97 percent fresh from fans on Rotten Tomatoes! CRAZY

Im hoping it will change to more accurately display the quality of the film over the next week


Quote from: Gash on Jun 02, 2012, 12:27:23 AM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 02, 2012, 12:09:17 AM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Jun 02, 2012, 12:08:23 AM
I think they just lurking around in the pyramid.

Why did the geologists even go back into that room anyway.... *over 9000*

They didn't. they hadn't been in the room, they left for the ship before the others entered it.
They had been outside it though, they didnt like the look of it first time, why go back a second time... and enter.... aswell as not leave the room the moment they saw weird creatures.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Gash on Jun 02, 2012, 12:59:07 AM
As fair as I recall Milburn and Fifield leave the team when they see the body and before the door is opened. They go back in that direction after they're stranded and Janek spooks them with the 'ping' so they just go back in the direction they came from and look for somewhere to take refuge till after the storm. They haven't seen anything of the room to make them more wary of it than the corpse strewn corridor.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Le Celticant on Jun 02, 2012, 01:01:36 AM
POLL!

What scares you the most:
-Dead body in a corridor.
-Snake like creature from another planet very alive.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Gash on Jun 02, 2012, 01:06:18 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jun 02, 2012, 01:01:36 AM
POLL!

What scares you the most:
-Dead body in a corridor.
-Snake like creature from another planet very alive.

They assumed the room was empty. They were getting away from the 'ping' of a life form after being spooked by the site of a horde of bodies piled up at a doorway as if trying to escape. Yep, given the choice I'd go and sit and wait in what appeared to be an empty room.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 01:11:30 AM
So up until the final act of the film, are you guys generally satisfied with the product?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 01:15:54 AM
watched prometheus at 8pm uk time..

my honest thoughts?....

it started pretty well and has some amazing cinematography and i was also impressed with the 3d which gave some great depth to some of the scenes, but the starmap scene was just a carbon copy of the scene on the ship from avp1, and also made little sense as theyre just about to arrive at the planet before anyone is told why theyre even going there....

but i got over that and the film started to build into something promising.... fassbender is excellent as the borderline psychotic android and also i dont really get the critisism of logan marshall green as to me it appeared as though he was meant to play a character who was a bit of an ass to set up the whole reason for david to dislike him (and do what he did to him)and he did the job well.

but after the tension was built and all the pieces were set up for a good finish... it all went downhill fast, the film is a mess, bad editing, absolutely laughable creature design, uninspiring story, crap score which sounds more like it belongs in superman with the repetitive upbeat jingle and crappy forgettable characters (apart from fassbender who was excellent as david).

now as a long time alien movie fan, i was a little worried as soon as i saw some of the designs for suits, ship, holograms and flashy screens, etc and didnt think they were very fitting in the already established alien universe, now i understood why they took those decisions as they had to keep up with modern sci fi movies, so i chose to ignore that element as i was sure that ridley would deliver on story and creatures..... but no, the story makes things even worse and totally ruins the alien life cycle thats been established in the previous movies, it seriously makes no sense whatsoever anymore, and the creature designs belong in some silly b movie, in fact, if the asylum rips prometheus off then even they might desing/make better creatures than what we have here.....

now just to explain why the life cycle makes no sense... in the original alien, the creature is born of a space jockey which then lays eggs which then go on to infect kane and bring about kanes son, which is a biomechanical alien as we know and love which makes sense as the space jockey (at that point) was a biomechanical creature which going by what weve learned from other alien movies the alien takes (in part) some of the form and traits of its host, but in prometheus, we see at the very beginning that the space jockey/engineers are just big blue human/oids, not biomechanical at all, the bits that looked biomechanical in the trailer was actually a suit, so we have a humanoid wearing two suits to form the sj as we know them from alien which therefore cannot give the alien its biomechanical look, which works for the birthing in prometheus, but then makes consecutive aliens make no sense.

on top of that, the engineer/sj at the beginning drinks the black fluid which disintegrates him, now why doesnt it do that to the two worms that turn into hammerpedes?.

well, thats enough for now, i did actually enjoy watching it and my time at the cinema, and im glad ive seen it, and it does have some plus points, but overall, i feel like this is 1999, george lucas and the phantom menace all over again, if this movie was a stand alone sci fi movie that was totally unrelated to the alien franchise then i would maybe rate it a little higher, but because in my opinion it damages the alien life cycle i give it 4/10... its pretty rubbish.

thanks

rich

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 04:18:19 AM
So, anyone in this thread that would place Prometheus down with AvP1&2?

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 02, 2012, 04:41:22 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 04:18:19 AM
So, anyone in this thread that would place Prometheus down with AvP1&2?

f**k No!!! Prometheus is very good
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Zenomorph on Jun 02, 2012, 05:15:34 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 04:18:19 AM
So, anyone in this thread that would place Prometheus down with AvP1&2?

wooaaaah budddy
ease up turbo
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 02, 2012, 06:23:17 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 04:18:19 AM
So, anyone in this thread that would place Prometheus down with AvP1&2?
You can probably discount anyone who says that Prometheus is a 'bad' movie... as they have no critical faculties.  ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RoaryUK on Jun 02, 2012, 07:15:27 AM
Prometheus isnt really a bad movie, its a badly edited movie, that's the main problem. The first hour is really enjoyable on many levels, but there's clearly a lot missing in the second and particularly the third act, some bad writing in there doesnt help, as well as some bad choices along the way. 
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: 8thPassenger on Jun 02, 2012, 07:43:41 AM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 01:15:54 AM
crap score which sounds more like it belongs in superman with the repetitive upbeat jingle

Yeah, that repeating melody was annoying as hell! It was ok in the beginning of the film, since it has this uplifting and curious vibe to it, but using the same theme all throughout the movie was just annoying.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 02, 2012, 07:46:32 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 04:18:19 AM
So, anyone in this thread that would place Prometheus down with AvP1&2?
Despite my reservations ... hell no!

Quote from: RoaryUK on Jun 02, 2012, 07:15:27 AM
Prometheus isnt really a bad movie, its a badly edited movie, that's the main problem. The first hour is really enjoyable on many levels, but there's clearly a lot missing in the second and particularly the third act, some bad writing in there doesnt help, as well as some bad choices along the way. 
Agree completely.

Quote from: 8thPassenger on Jun 02, 2012, 07:43:41 AM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 01:15:54 AM
crap score which sounds more like it belongs in superman with the repetitive upbeat jingle

Yeah, that repeating melody was annoying as hell! It was ok in the beginning of the film, since it has this uplifting and curious vibe to it, but using the same theme all throughout the movie was just annoying.
Yeah, that theme was unnecessary for many of the scenes. It completely punctured the atmosphere. Imagine playing the Indiana Jones theme tune during Kane's post-derelict examination  :P
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Shasvre on Jun 02, 2012, 08:00:10 AM
Quote from: 8thPassenger on Jun 02, 2012, 07:43:41 AMYeah, that repeating melody was annoying as hell! It was ok in the beginning of the film, since it has this uplifting and curious vibe to it, but using the same theme all throughout the movie was just annoying.

I agree. It was used perfectly in the opening, but felt out of place when David was in the control room for example. :-\
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: dave1978 on Jun 02, 2012, 08:35:15 AM
Saw it last night, not going to go into detail its all been said above,  BUT.

What went wrong? 

The script, the editing?  my word they were poor.

I just feel so so let down with this,  it didnt even come close to expectations.

Lets just hope that the directors cut is 45 minutes longer and fixed this.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Melack on Jun 02, 2012, 09:13:51 AM
Shaw's baby might not have been creatively impressive, but damn I thought it did it's job in being incredibly creepy and unsettling. And the proto-Xeno was awesome, the last shot blew my mind.

Seems like this will go down as one of those movies that I'm pretty alone in embracing. Which is too bad with this film cause a part from a more filmmaking level I feel there is so much interesting to discuss and theorize about when it comes to this film-universe. So many questions, so little answers. I like that!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on Jun 02, 2012, 09:47:12 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 04:18:19 AM
So, anyone in this thread that would place Prometheus down with AvP1&2?

AvP had the heroine team up with a predator and running around with an alien head shield... AvP2s hero was a pizza delivery guy. Allright...?  ;)

The details about Prometheus that bugs me the most right now, are still on an entirely different level than the entirety of those films...

Pretty much every Ridley movie I've seen that has been granted a DC version, has come out a better film. This will most likely be no exception. If some scenes are re-edited as well in a DC, then we are really talking...

About the last creature - to me it looked quite CGI'ed as compared to the snakehugger which looked real. The lighting in the last scene wasn't up to Ridleys standards - they showed too much when imo less would have been more.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 02, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 02, 2012, 06:23:17 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 04:18:19 AM
So, anyone in this thread that would place Prometheus down with AvP1&2?
You can probably discount anyone who says that Prometheus is a 'bad' movie... as they have no critical faculties.  ;)

Hmmm, thats why most people are here are slating the movie.... most people coming up with similar things that piss them of. Sounds like a failed movie to me. I mean my review or anyone elses in which they explain what they felt was wrong is obviously just a pile of crap right....
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: 8thPassenger on Jun 02, 2012, 09:55:21 AM
Quote from: Eva on Jun 02, 2012, 09:47:12 AMAbout the last creature - to me it looked quite CGI'ed as compared to the snakehugger which looked real. The lighting in the last scene wasn't up to Ridleys standards - they showed too much when imo less would have been more.

Agree 100%. I would have preferred something like a shadowy image of the creature lifting his head.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 02, 2012, 09:55:45 AM
I really want to see Harry Plinkett's review of Prometheus

Here's his view of another prequel.... (and man, this guy has HOURS of reviews on his website)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI#)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 09:58:01 AM
@eva, agreed, but also the last scene (birth) was very low key, it wasn't dramatic at all unlike the kane scene or bambi in alien3 etc. add that to the rubbish protoxeno design which looked totally unconvincing then we have a pretty crappy ending which should have been the highlight of the movie.

and even though avp1 and avp2 are not great, i do think they have some far better and more dramatic death scenes, and a much better score!

thanks

rich
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 02, 2012, 09:58:46 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2012, 04:35:15 PM
Slept on it, and hashed out my thoughts: http://alienseries.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/prometheus-review.html (http://alienseries.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/prometheus-review.html)

Fantastic review, Johnny. Love reading your stuff.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 10:29:52 AM
just something else to add thats bothering me...

the starmaps..., now the starmaps are found all over the world and are dated thousands of years apart, and also david is seen learning ancient languages in the hope of being able to communicate with the engineers, which in turn implies that the engineers have been visitng earth over the years and overseeing/helping with our development, which then makes their order to destroy us even more perplexing, why go to all that trouble seeding earth, helping development and showing us the way to find them just to decide to destory us and kill the people that do find them....

thanks

rich
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 02, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 10:29:52 AM
just something else to add thats bothering me...

the starmaps..., now the starmaps are found all over the world and are dated thousands of years apart, and also david is seen learning ancient languages in the hope of being able to communicate with the engineers, which in turn implies that the engineers have been visitng earth over the years and overseeing/helping with our development, which then makes their order to destroy us even more perplexing, why go to all that trouble seeding earth, helping development and showing us the way to find them just to decide to destory us and kill the people that do find them....

thanks

rich

I think the answer to this, and all the other mystery and inconsistency is....

there is no answer.

I genuinely think the writers threw all this together and didn't give any thought to how it makes sense. Even IF archaeologists had a couple of blobs they thought were a map of a planetary system, or a cluster of stars, then I cannot see any rational explanation for how this could be linked to a real star system, least of all a very faint (from Earth) star as Zeta II Reticuli. How this was done with the Betty and Barney Hill map, upon which the Prometheus star map is based, is - as Click & Clack would say - Booooogus!

And then there is the proper motion of stars over periods of tens of thousands of years. In other words, stars move at very high velocities relative to one another, so constellations can change substantially over time. If you have a 35,000 yr old map, it's useless unless you can correct for the relative motion, and you can only do that if you know which stars they are...

It's drivel basically.  Back me up Deuterium
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on Jun 02, 2012, 11:28:34 AM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 10:29:52 AM
just something else to add thats bothering me...

the starmaps..., now the starmaps are found all over the world and are dated thousands of years apart, and also david is seen learning ancient languages in the hope of being able to communicate with the engineers, which in turn implies that the engineers have been visitng earth over the years and overseeing/helping with our development, which then makes their order to destroy us even more perplexing, why go to all that trouble seeding earth, helping development and showing us the way to find them just to decide to destory us and kill the people that do find them....

I've been trying to connect the dots within what we are shown in the film, combined with what Lindelof have said about the Prometheus angle and tidbits of Alien.

My best guess right now is that all the murals/carvings etc. depict the one and same engineer - only 1. This is our Prometheus. The 'god' who granted us knowledge we were never meant to aquire in the first place. Supplying us with the building blocks that became the basis of our rapid emergence as a civilization in our own right, eventually becoming 'engineers' ourselves with the ability to experiment with and create life.

So who was the sacrifice engineer? He could simply just have been an engineer carrying out his mission, planting DNA building blocks on Earth. Gigers original lifecycle mural depicted them as embracing death as a natural consequence of creating new life. This is imo what's essentially happening at the waterfall sequence. It is an idea that is hinted at several times in Prometheus, death as a precusor for life, children killing their parents etc.

Regarding Prometheus, if my idea above holds any merit, I would imagine that he did what he did unknowingly to his own civilization. It's my theory that humankind was never meant to evolve on its own to the degree where we would become selfaware about our possibilities and capabilities, feeding our ambitions further. I think we were simply planted to fill a stage in a larger lifecycle experiment involving other creatures. The engineers clearly worship the xenomorph shape or what it represents.

As to what went down in the temple, why the last engineer is still hanging around at the complex and other things, I'm still collating on those...  ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
@eva.

but the problem is, if he was the only engineer here, and sacrificed himself to create life without his race knowing, then how did any humans get knowledge of them and the star system to draw the maps etc?... the maps imply that the engineers must have been visiting and possibly helping our development at least over a few thousand years. or at least one visitation which resulted in the knowledge spreading round the world (which makes less sense).

thanks

rich
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on Jun 02, 2012, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
@eva.

but the problem is, if he was the only engineer here, and sacrificed himself to create life without his race knowing, then how did any humans get knowledge of them and the star system to draw the maps etc?... the maps imply that the engineers must have been visiting and possibly helping our development at least over a few thousand years. or at least one visitation which resulted in the knowledge spreading round the world (which makes less sense).

That's not what I wrote. I made a clear distinction between the sacrifice engineer and Prometheus  :)

Prometheus would have arrived at a late stage, when humans were somewhat emerging and starting to get a basic grasp of technology in the form of tools and such. The Scotland painting is 35.000 years old and might have been made shortly after his first encounter and interaction with humans. He would have returned at several occasions, revealing himself to different civilizations through the ages and the depictions of him interacting with humans have survived.

It's left for us to wonder what his motivations could have been. Selfserving or did he have benign intentions on our behalf?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 11:59:57 AM
Quote from: Eva on Jun 02, 2012, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
@eva.

but the problem is, if he was the only engineer here, and sacrificed himself to create life without his race knowing, then how did any humans get knowledge of them and the star system to draw the maps etc?... the maps imply that the engineers must have been visiting and possibly helping our development at least over a few thousand years. or at least one visitation which resulted in the knowledge spreading round the world (which makes less sense).

That's not what I wrote. I made a clear distinction between the sacrifice engineer and Prometheus  :)

Prometheus would have arrived at a late stage, when humans were somewhat emerging and starting to get a basic grasp of technology in the form of tools and such. The Scotland painting is 35.000 years old and might have been made shortly after his first encounter and interaction with humans. He would have returned at several occasions, revealing himself to different civilizations through the ages and the depictions of him interacting with humans have survived.

It's left for us to wonder what his motivations could have been. Selfserving or did he have benign intentions on our behalf?

yes, sorry for the confusion, i didnt mean you wrote that, i was a little distracted when writing that and didnt word it properly.

i like your theory, it works, but i really dont think ridley/lindeloff have even thought about it properly, it just seems like they just put it in hoping nobody would notice or question it too much.. hopefully they will take note and make a working explanation in a sequel.

personally i think david and shaw (and possibly the whole crew) are meant to be prometheus, david for stealing and messing with the black stuff, shaw for taking them there (the pregnancy being related to the eagle pecking prometheus liver).

but i dont know, all our theories may be wrong, maybe lindeloff will come out with an explanation as he eventually did with his lost ending lol

thanks

rich
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Vickers on Jun 02, 2012, 12:19:13 PM
Do any of you remember if this exact shot is in the film?

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2F28wky05.jpg&hash=021dd1ffe6d9c0935cda09ed46a959def48845ff)

I know it seems like an odd question but to me this image is so well composed and atmospheric.  It's really one of my favourite shots.  I'm assuming it's a capture from the film and I really hope it's not one of the shots that got cut.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: Vickers on Jun 02, 2012, 12:19:13 PM
Do any of you remember if this exact shot is in the film?

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2F28wky05.jpg&hash=021dd1ffe6d9c0935cda09ed46a959def48845ff)

I know it seems like an odd question but to me this image is so well composed and atmospheric.  It's really one of my favourite shots.  I'm assuming it's a capture from the film and I really hope it's not one of the shots that got cut.
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hmm, that scene is definitely in the film, but i think from another angle, i dont think that exact shot is, but i could be wrong.

thanks

rich
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on Jun 02, 2012, 12:31:42 PM
Sorry Vickers I can't recall about that exact shot - maybe others can...?  :-\

No problem Rich  ;)

PS: I doubt very much that Ridley, Lindelof and Spaihts 'haven't given it any thought', which is a notion that should not be confused with 'not having any definitive answers' to offer.

Alien demonstrated that mysteries can have a surviving charm of their own, perhaps even more so than any answer could ever hope to achieve. Personally I think that we - the audience - have changed since 1979. Quite a lot of people just don't have the patience, desire or inclination to struggle with mysteries in their movies/tv-series etc. anymore. They want answers spoonfeed to them before the lights turn on again. God forbid you would would actually have to think about what you've just watched...  ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 02, 2012, 12:35:11 PM
I definitely didn't mind the lack of answers in regard to what the Engineers are, what their complete relationship to the humans is, or what exactly the black goo is - but I would have liked some coherence with the life-cycle of the creatures (hammerpede seems almost useless) and some deft characterisation for the protagonists. Those problems feel massive but the biggest problem was the complete lack of dramatic impact or tension. Again, editing. Very shoddy work, there.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 12:41:35 PM
agreed, its not the l;ack of answers thats the problem, its more the fact of things not making sense and confusing and messing up established canon in the same way the phantom menace did in 1999.

i like mysteries, i like things being left to wonder about, but only if they make sense.

thanks

rich
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Mr. Knight on Jun 02, 2012, 12:43:15 PM
It's a mess of a film it really is. The script is just terrible, the story is incoherent, the dialogue is worthy of the Stars Wars prequels and there is absolutely no character development whatsoever. The film's only saving grace is it's production design, the sets are just gorgeous and really highlight the failing of CGI. I just hope this is Scott's last film, the drop in the quality of his output in the last 5 years has been huge.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on Jun 02, 2012, 12:48:44 PM
Yeah, I'd agree with the creatures part. I've given it quite some thought and I can't find a coherent lifecycle logic that works within this film, not alone in context with Alien. The starbeast facehugger is my main gripe ... I can't make it fit anywhere...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: stroggificated on Jun 02, 2012, 01:52:14 PM
Final Post:

The Thing (2011) > Prometheus

Theres no question about it.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 02, 2012, 01:58:48 PM
Quote from: stroggificated on Jun 02, 2012, 01:52:14 PM
Final Post:

The Thing (2011) > Prometheus

Theres no question about it.


Damn i guess you must REALLY hate Prometheus to rank it below that shitfest of a movie haha
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: dave1978 on Jun 02, 2012, 02:15:08 PM
He has a point,  the Thing was better in may many ways.

Im totally gutted about Prometheus,  im never going to get excited about a movie ever again.  Why have film makers got so sloppy and lazy,  just think back to all the late 70's and 80's classic movies, there are so many of them.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 02:26:18 PM
Quote from: dave1978 on Jun 02, 2012, 02:15:08 PM
He has a point,  the Thing was better in may many ways.

Im totally gutted about Prometheus,  im never going to get excited about a movie ever again.  Why have film makers got so sloppy and lazy,  just think back to all the late 70's and 80's classic movies, there are so many of them.

i actually agree, the things story was more consistent, was executed better, peoples reactions to things were better and the creatures were dfinitely better than that stupid squid and rubbish xeno.

thanks

rich
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: 343 on Jun 02, 2012, 02:37:42 PM
Well...i have to see it, but The Thing remake was shit. What a joke.
And till now Prometheus is getting raving reviews in Holland: http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820 (http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820)
Not so for The Thing 2011 (even tough it's dutch director): http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/70576 (http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/70576)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: 343 on Jun 02, 2012, 02:37:42 PM
Well...i have to see it, but The Thing remake was shit. What a joke.
And till now Prometheus is getting raving reviews in Holland: http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820 (http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820)
Not so for The Thing 2011 (even tough it's dutch director): http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/70576 (http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/70576)

im not saying the thing prequel is great or better than prometheus, but it is better in some ways that ive pointed out, probably has better character development too!.

i dont think the thing prequel was as bad as the critics say, but it was just a pointless movie and basically a total (but worse) repeat of the original.

thanks

rich
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Jun 02, 2012, 02:54:14 PM
The Thing "prequel" is not better than anything.

A pointless waste of a lot of potential, a decent cast and a talented director (who probably wasn't ready) on a cookie-cutter rehash of the same movie but with far less interesting people, decent screenwriting or half decent FX.  OH, TIME TO SHOW WHERE THE AXE IN THE DOOR GOES!  Tick the boxes!  And teeth?  Really?  The teeth?  Metal?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: 8thPassenger on Jun 02, 2012, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: Eva on Jun 02, 2012, 12:48:44 PM
Yeah, I'd agree with the creatures part. I've given it quite some thought and I can't find a coherent lifecycle logic that works within this film, not alone in context with Alien. The starbeast facehugger is my main gripe ... I can't make it fit anywhere...

The best I've come up with is that the black goo is very nasty stuff. If people come in contact with it, they turn into... sigh... zombies, while any other organism seems to evolve into some nasty creature with a desire to penetrate (giggle) people's mouths. I know it's lame, but maybe there's not supposed to be a clear lifecycle to the creatures at all. The black goo just finds a host, one way or another.

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 02, 2012, 03:23:38 PM
Lol no way I'm buying that first post up there^  Absolutely no way in hell.

New Thing was a horrible film, some of the worst dialogue and writing I've ever seen in a movie, in my life.

I even called the 'explain everything by the fire' scene, and they no shit really had one that ham-fistedly shoved every story element into the audiences' face, removing all mystery and making you wonder how the characters could even be sure of it in the first place.

If Prometheus makes me think of the new Thing at all, in any way, I'm coming back here.

And hell is coming with me.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmetsmerizedonline.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F07%2Ftombstone-2-Copy1.jpg&hash=bafb7f65a9faaa19fe2aca478d1c88131335ba8c)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 02, 2012, 03:53:59 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jun 02, 2012, 03:23:38 PM
Lol no way I'm buying that first post up there^  Absolutely no way in hell.

New Thing was a horrible film, some of the worst dialogue and writing I've ever seen in a movie, in my life.

I even called the 'explain everything by the fire' scene, and they no shit really had one that ham-fistedly shoved every story element into the audiences' face, removing all mystery and making you wonder how the characters could even be sure of it in the first place.

If Prometheus makes me think of the new Thing at all, in any way, I'm coming back here.

And hell is coming with me.

http://metsmerizedonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/tombstone-2-Copy1.jpg
Classic hahahha

This is why i love this forum haha
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: PROM3TH3US on Jun 02, 2012, 04:27:22 PM
Quote from: stroggificated on Jun 02, 2012, 01:52:14 PM
Final Post:

The Thing (2011) > Prometheus

Theres no question about it.

LOL.  Anyone who think or agreed that the shitfest The Thing was good or better than Prometheus should get their review card revoked.  Thanks for making this ridiculous comments because now I know to take your reviews with a tablespoon of salt.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: plasmacannon on Jun 02, 2012, 04:28:39 PM
Saw this movie last night in UK. Thought it was great. Tied up both the movie and Alien nicely. Space jockeys  were great. Acting could have been better tho. Expectation needs to be resonable as people will only compare this to Alien just like comparisions to Predator. They are both original and classics. Give the guy a break , im actually interested to see Promethus 2 should it be made! Closed out this movie great.

4/5
Title: Some comments and thoughts after seeing Prometheus
Post by: red_otter on Jun 02, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
Firstly: yes, this film is a massive letdown. It is unquestionably visually stunning (especially in IMAX 3D), the nods to 2001 are very welcome and Michael Fassbender is surely one of the best Brit actors of his generation.

But the writing is beyond awful on pretty much every level. Dialogue is almost universally hammy and often poorly delivered. The actual sequence of events (AKA plot) is frequently nonsensical.

But worst of all (and this very much betrays the LOST background), questions are left unanswered, not in a tantalising and fascinating Alien-ish way (e.g. the Space Jockey itself, which was infinitely more interesting in the one scene we see it in Alien to the many times we see it here) but in a frustrating and unjustified way, either through a misguided attempt to re-evoke the Alien mystique, or just through sheer Lindelof-ish laziness/lack of intellectual rigour. Remember all those analyses of the murals in the ampule room? Our in-depth theories about what they might be? Well I'm none the wiser at the end of the film, not one bit. Why is there effectively a Xeno on the wall of that room? Still got no idea, and the film doesn't begin to answer it.

See, when we were all trying to piece together the chronology, I think in our worst nightmares none of us imagined the answer would be

Spoiler
actually everyone just gets screwed up in different ways with no real coherence beyond "that black sh!t is really, really bad". And still less did we imagine that different segments of the plot would involve characters with no real interest or even apparent awareness of any other. While I'm at it: wtf was the point of David trying to impregnate Shaw via Holloway, then not seeming to care at all that she'd had it removed, still less check what had happened to it? But in any event, what did that have to do with waking up the Space Jockey? And why did they all just let Shaw run around doing what she wanted when she clearly wasn't going to want them to complete their plan?
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Also - the much touted secretive ending? I'm not trying to blow my own trumpet here, but I pretty much exactly predicted what it would be (from Lindelof's comments about an "encore") and it was done in the most obvious and uninteresting way possible. Not only that, it doesn't make sense AND it was the one part of the movie that was pretty poorly designed.

What I really can't tally together are the many interviews and promos Scott and Lindelof gave together and the actual film. Remember Lindelof talking about how the "characters in the film are having conversations about Gods" - nope. Well, about one brief mention of Darwin, but there's no coherence or depth, and given the Space Jockey part of the plot seems to just come down to

Spoiler
"they're building a military installation" and that's it, there doesn't even seem to have been a serious attempt to tackle that stuff.
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Finally: was this even well directed? Scott is hit and miss for me anyway; this seems to me to be visually up to his best, but the lack of any real tension, and the good actors who go to waste here, have to be laid at his doorstep, surely. The opening scenes with David and the basketball...nicely done I guess. That was about the only scene, literally, where I felt he was rising above being a highly competent director-for-hire.

Sorry to be so negative, but I'm amazed anyone thinks this is even a decent movie. It isn't - it's poor. 4/10.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: T Dog on Jun 02, 2012, 05:59:57 PM
Saw the film last night. I thought it was quite BAD. I was left feeling so underwhelmed that I had to jot down some notes regarding it last night to truly vent. I thought the film was  pretty bad for these reasons:

EMPTY CHARACTERS who made unrealistic decisions. There are 3 decent characters in the film, Shaw, David and Janek. The rest have no personality and are utterly weakly written.

NO SENSE OF ATMOSPHERE / PACING
The first 40 minutes of the film or so build quite nicely and steadily and then people become seperated and there is no sense of cohesion within the movie. The music (while not actually being too bad) is just really innappropriate most of the time and eliminates all atmosphere / tension.

NO STORY ARCH
Basically the synopsis of the film is the only story whatsoever. Engineers created humans and now want to destroy them. THE END. That fizzles out within the first hour, the story-telling literally stops and is replaced by a sequence of unfocused creature threats.
People have been complaining about the lack of answers and they are right to do so. In the instance of this film the answers are and should be part of the story. It's a massive lazy cop out. All they really do is use Idris Elba's character to tell the audience what the contents of the ship are for which is simply a reiteration of what Ridley Scott has been saying for years. And they never even show any conclusion to how Janek came up with answers (sure you can fill in the gaps but the execution is terrible).

WEAK DIALOGUE
The characters and dialogue are straight out of the Damon Lindelof school of mediocrity. It makes you wonder how bad they were when Jon Spaights wrote it. Maybe they were better, maybe not.

NO FOCUSED THREAT
Keeping the creature count down and letting one of them evolve would have been stronger.  This would have created more tension.

AWFUL CREATURE CGI AT END

INAPPROPRIATE MUSICAL CHOICES
And by god how did they not see that the creation theme sounded exactly like the opening of Star Trek Next Generation.

WHERE THE F**K WAS THE SPACE JOCKEY FOR THE WHOLE MOVIE??????
God the more I think about this movie the lazier it all seems. So they make the Space Jockey a tall human. I assumed this was so they could interact with the crew in some fashion. The bloody thing doesn't show up until the last 20 minutes and doesn't exactly communicate making the whole humanising completely pointless. They could have had the space jockey creating humans while being the big exoskeleton giant ambiguous creature.

All in all the saddest thing about this movie is that ALL our speculation and theories were a million times more imaginative than this lazy piece of shit. It was just LAZY.

The other sad thing is how far over the hill Ridley Scott is. He should actually just retire and do his painting. I'm not trying to be mean, but he is a poor director and has been for a while now. You can't blame Lindelof entirely or Spaights or Marc Steitenfeld or the casting director or anything. The director wasn't steering the ship. He was arrogant enough to ok a truly mediocre screenplay with a ton of plot holes, bad dialogue, bad pacing, underdeveloped characters and most of all an underdeveloped story. He then persisted on editing the film in such a way that it created ZERO atmosphere/tension or fear.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on Jun 02, 2012, 06:25:01 PM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: 343 on Jun 02, 2012, 02:37:42 PM
Well...i have to see it, but The Thing remake was shit. What a joke.
And till now Prometheus is getting raving reviews in Holland: http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820 (http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820)
Not so for The Thing 2011 (even tough it's dutch director): http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/70576 (http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/70576)

im not saying the thing prequel is great or better than prometheus, but it is better in some ways that ive pointed out, probably has better character development too!.

i dont think the thing prequel was as bad as the critics say, but it was just a pointless movie and basically a total (but worse) repeat of the original.

thanks

rich


There is no damn way The Thing prequel is better then Prometheus.

The Thing prequel has alot of problems, it was not as good as the original.

The list of problems.

1. The Thing reveales it's self too quickly and never hides.
2. The story was very rushed. 
3. Boring Cardboard Characters.
4. Kate Lloyd was just made for the sake of being a Ripley clone with no character development.
5. More of a reboot because of all the major retcons.
6. Had way too many characters and killed them off very fast.
7. It rehashed some parts from the 1982 movie.
8. The crew of people was not very norwegian.
9.. It was more of an action movie then paranoia horror movie.
10. This did a poor job with the paranoia and distrust.


The prequel will never live up to the John Carpenter's The Thing.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 02, 2012, 06:25:01 PM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: 343 on Jun 02, 2012, 02:37:42 PM
Well...i have to see it, but The Thing remake was shit. What a joke.
And till now Prometheus is getting raving reviews in Holland: http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820 (http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820)
Not so for The Thing 2011 (even tough it's dutch director): http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/70576 (http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/70576)

im not saying the thing prequel is great or better than prometheus, but it is better in some ways that ive pointed out, probably has better character development too!.

i dont think the thing prequel was as bad as the critics say, but it was just a pointless movie and basically a total (but worse) repeat of the original.

thanks

rich


There is no damn way The Thing prequel is better then Prometheus.

The Thing prequel has alot of problems, it was not as good as the original.

The list of problems.

1. The Thing reveales it's self too quickly and never hides.
2. The story was very rushed. 
3. Boring Cardboard Characters.
4. Kate Lloyd was just made for the sake of being a Ripley clone with no character development.
5. More of a reboot because of all the major retcons.
6. Had way too many characters and killed them off very fast.
7. It rehashed some parts from the 1982 movie.
8. The crew of people was not very norwegian.
9.. It was more of an action movie then paranoia horror movie.
10. This did a poor job with the paranoia and distrust.


The prequel will never live up to the John Carpenter's The Thing.

did you actually read my post that you just quoted where i said the words "im not saying the thing prequel is great or better than prometheus".............  did you also not read the part where i said the words (but worse) repeat of the original"....

thanks

rich
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on Jun 02, 2012, 07:00:33 PM
Sorry I forgot to read that, I promise not to rush and post.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JKS1 on Jun 02, 2012, 07:02:06 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 02, 2012, 06:25:01 PM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: 343 on Jun 02, 2012, 02:37:42 PM
Well...i have to see it, but The Thing remake was shit. What a joke.
And till now Prometheus is getting raving reviews in Holland: http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820 (http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/79820)
Not so for The Thing 2011 (even tough it's dutch director): http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/70576 (http://www.moviemeter.nl/film/70576)

im not saying the thing prequel is great or better than prometheus, but it is better in some ways that ive pointed out, probably has better character development too!.

i dont think the thing prequel was as bad as the critics say, but it was just a pointless movie and basically a total (but worse) repeat of the original.

thanks

rich

You must be kidding !!!
The Thing prequel was a pointless and totally laughable abomination
Prometheus was deeply flawed and a major disappointment but at least the 1st half of it was very good

I can't think of a single good thing to say about the stinking pile of faeces that was The Thing Prequel


There is no damn way The Thing prequel is better then Prometheus.

The Thing prequel has alot of problems, it was not as good as the original.

The list of problems.

1. The Thing reveales it's self too quickly and never hides.
2. The story was very rushed. 
3. Boring Cardboard Characters.
4. Kate Lloyd was just made for the sake of being a Ripley clone with no character development.
5. More of a reboot because of all the major retcons.
6. Had way too many characters and killed them off very fast.
7. It rehashed some parts from the 1982 movie.
8. The crew of people was not very norwegian.
9.. It was more of an action movie then paranoia horror movie.
10. This did a poor job with the paranoia and distrust.


The prequel will never live up to the John Carpenter's The Thing.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: T Dog on Jun 02, 2012, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: red_otter on Jun 02, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
Firstly: yes, this film is a massive letdown. It is unquestionably visually stunning (especially in IMAX 3D), the nods to 2001 are very welcome and Michael Fassbender is surely one of the best Brit actors of his generation.

But the writing is beyond awful on pretty much every level. Dialogue is almost universally hammy and often poorly delivered. The actual sequence of events (AKA plot) is frequently nonsensical.

But worst of all (and this very much betrays the LOST background), questions are left unanswered, not in a tantalising and fascinating Alien-ish way (e.g. the Space Jockey itself, which was infinitely more interesting in the one scene we see it in Alien to the many times we see it here) but in a frustrating and unjustified way, either through a misguided attempt to re-evoke the Alien mystique, or just through sheer Lindelof-ish laziness/lack of intellectual rigour. Remember all those analyses of the murals in the ampule room? Our in-depth theories about what they might be? Well I'm none the wiser at the end of the film, not one bit. Why is there effectively a Xeno on the wall of that room? Still got no idea, and the film doesn't begin to answer it.

See, when we were all trying to piece together the chronology, I think in our worst nightmares none of us imagined the answer would be

Spoiler
actually everyone just gets screwed up in different ways with no real coherence beyond "that black sh!t is really, really bad". And still less did we imagine that different segments of the plot would involve characters with no real interest or even apparent awareness of any other. While I'm at it: wtf was the point of David trying to impregnate Shaw via Holloway, then not seeming to care at all that she'd had it removed, still less check what had happened to it? But in any event, what did that have to do with waking up the Space Jockey? And why did they all just let Shaw run around doing what she wanted when she clearly wasn't going to want them to complete their plan?
[close]

Also - the much touted secretive ending? I'm not trying to blow my own trumpet here, but I pretty much exactly predicted what it would be (from Lindelof's comments about an "encore") and it was done in the most obvious and uninteresting way possible. Not only that, it doesn't make sense AND it was the one part of the movie that was pretty poorly designed.

What I really can't tally together are the many interviews and promos Scott and Lindelof gave together and the actual film. Remember Lindelof talking about how the "characters in the film are having conversations about Gods" - nope. Well, about one brief mention of Darwin, but there's no coherence or depth, and given the Space Jockey part of the plot seems to just come down to

Spoiler
"they're building a military installation" and that's it, there doesn't even seem to have been a serious attempt to tackle that stuff.
[close]

Finally: was this even well directed? Scott is hit and miss for me anyway; this seems to me to be visually up to his best, but the lack of any real tension, and the good actors who go to waste here, have to be laid at his doorstep, surely. The opening scenes with David and the basketball...nicely done I guess. That was about the only scene, literally, where I felt he was rising above being a highly competent director-for-hire.

Sorry to be so negative, but I'm amazed anyone thinks this is even a decent movie. It isn't - it's poor. 4/10.

Fassbender is Irish. I totally agree with all your points otherwise. Including your score. It's a poor movie.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on Jun 02, 2012, 07:29:03 PM
I've notice fans were expecting too much out of Prometheus and Predators, whats the problem with reviving the ALien and Predator movies?.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Le Celticant on Jun 02, 2012, 07:34:46 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 02, 2012, 07:29:03 PM
I've notice fans were expecting too much out of Prometheus and Predators, whats the problem with reviving the ALien and Predator movies?.

They revived both in AVP  :P
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 07:36:01 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 02, 2012, 07:29:03 PM
I've notice fans were expecting too much out of Prometheus and Predators, whats the problem with reviving the ALien and Predator movies?.

nothing wrong with reviving them, i enjoyed predators for the most part, except for them taking edwin, it seemed a bit stupid as surely the preds would have had to sit cloaked in hospitals to find out that hes a dangerous murderer which seems to be pretty silly since were told in previous movies that theyre drawn to wars and battles to hunt dangerous people.

i would be happy for them to keep making the movies as long as the story is good, coherent and the creature designs are good.

thanks

rich
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on Jun 02, 2012, 07:37:03 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jun 02, 2012, 07:34:46 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 02, 2012, 07:29:03 PM
I've notice fans were expecting too much out of Prometheus and Predators, whats the problem with reviving the ALien and Predator movies?.

They revived both in AVP  :P

I'm excluding AVP I'm only talking about the solo Alien and Predator movies.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 02, 2012, 07:38:08 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jun 02, 2012, 07:19:24 PM
Fassbender is Irish.
Well, Ireland is in Britain  :P ... though I don't identify as British myself.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 07:43:56 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 02, 2012, 07:38:08 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jun 02, 2012, 07:19:24 PM
Fassbender is Irish.
Well, Ireland is in Britain  :P ... though I don't identify as British myself.

only northern ireland is britain lol, not republic.

thanks

rich
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 02, 2012, 07:48:00 PM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 07:43:56 PM
only northern ireland is britain lol, not republic.
I know. Didn't know that the Fass was from the Republic  though (born in Germany). Ohh, Wiki  8)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: red_otter on Jun 02, 2012, 08:29:13 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 02, 2012, 07:29:03 PM
I've notice fans were expecting too much out of Prometheus and Predators, whats the problem with reviving the ALien and Predator movies?.

What do you mean exactly? There's absolutely nothing wrong with reviving the Alien films per se; if this had been a good film I'd've been delighted, unfortunately it just wasn't up to snuff. I actually think even Alien Resurrection blows this out of the water; in fact the opening credits sequence of Alien Resurrection alone shows a directorial vision well ahead of anything in Prometheus.

That's probably the biggest surprise of the movie, for me. I thought the writing might be duff; but I didn't expect the directing to be so lacking in vision.

Oh, and edit: hadn't realised the Fass was Irish, sorry. I knew he was born in Germany but always thought of him as a Brit for some reason. My God he's good though. Sooo good. Easily as effective as Holm in Alien, he alone deserved a much better movie.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 08:38:39 PM
I'm so glad to hear Fassbender is as memorable as Ash.

Other question,
Spoiler
Do we see the Engineer piloting the ship when he attempts to leave the moon?  Is he sitting in his chair or the console seat?  How cool does it look?
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Kimo on Jun 02, 2012, 08:39:28 PM
Ive had afew days to think about Prometheus and here is what i now think.
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LOADS OF SPOILERS SO DO NOT READ ON IF YOU AINT SEEN THE FILM.
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Noomi Rapace:
At first i was thinking Ridley just wanted to put another female as the main lead because it worked so well with Alien.  Noomi plays it as her own without trying to be another Ripley and it works very well. But i do think that Fassbender stole the show.

Michael Fassbender:
He was my favorite actor in this film and possibly now one of my favorite actor from the whole Alien films. I like how in Alien Ash is just a Robot that is taking orders. But David in Prometheus is playing a robot who seems to be questioning his own existence just like how Shaw is with God and the jockey race. For me Prometheus is just worth watching for Fassbender alone.

Charlize Theron:
She was awsome, it was a shame her plot in the movie was a wasted opportunity. Every minute she did get screen time she rocked. I love that bit when she's in the corridor when David bumps in to her, she was very menacing.  You know when Ripley was trying to run things by the book and all her crew members were thinking she was a bitch or at least she comes across that way in the first half of Alien? Well Vickers is that bitch x 2 and stays that way till the end.

Idris Elba:
I liked him, he was like a more chilled out Apone with less wisecracks but had a very positive vibe to him.

Guy Pearce:
Love the actor he done a good Peter Wayland. However i felt that his makeup to make him look old looked a little to rubbery in the shot were he briefs the crew as an hollergram. But when we see him later in the film his makeup does then look more realistic. Also i felt that the was wasted opportunity because he only had small screen time and when we do get to see him later in the film it feels like another rushed sub plot. If they kept him away from the screen after the briefing, then it could of been more of a mystery of who David was talking to when he has his yellow cyber punk (that looks f**king awsome) helmet on. Obviously Vickers confronts David in the hallway on who is he talking to? It should of been left to the audience to guess who it was and then maybe bring back Peter Wayland in a sequel. But over all Mr Pearce done a great job.

Logan Marshall Green:
I liked him but he was just there for Noomi Rapace to get the ball moving with that thing in her belly plot. In away it is like how John Hurt was cast to play Kane, like Kanes role was just to get the Alien on to the ship. well this is the same for Logans character, to get the Alien thing inside Shaw. Hurts acting in Alien made his role one of the most rememberable in all the Alien films... Logan just ends up another medicore victim. This was not Logan's fault, more to do with script writing.

Charlie Holloway
Monkey man i like to call him... Well when i seen him in the trailer i was not sure if i would like or hate this guy. But i am glad to say i liked him when he was human. I will talk more about him later.

Rafe Spall
Just monkey mans side kick. I will talk more about him later since his screen time was short.
Benedict Wong
I wish he had more screen time he had a good presence about him, nothing bad to say.

Kate Dickie:
Her accent was annoying.
The Rest were just cannon fodder or i cant remember well.

The Creatures:
The Engineer(s)
No doubt the best looking creature in Prometheus. When i seen him in the trailer i was in 2 minds if i would like him or not. But after seeing him in Prometheus he was no doubt the best design i was left wanting to see more of the Jockey race. The suit looks good as well it is safe to say Ridley got away with makiing the Jockey humanoid because the Engineer was the biggest gamble for this  movie but it paid off well.

The Black sticky stuff from vails
Just think X-Files Black oil and you got the idea. Would of liked to see David do more testing on this stuff so we get to know more about it.

The Snake/worm thing that attacks Rafe Spall.
This snake thing looked pretty cool it was defo giger looking, it was a shame you only see it once in the film.  But it was also used for one of the one most dumbest parts of Prometheus.

Ok the reason i hated this part of the film:

When the Team first explore the Cave/Pyramid thing, David trips the holographic simulation were we see some Jockeys get killed and running away from something. Well thats all good but then Hollaway gets freaked out and says hes going back to the Prometheus Ship is anyone coming? So Rafe Spall (Millburn) joins him. The other team end up making there way back to the Prometheus and notice that both Hollaway and Millburn are missing and still inside the Cave/Pyramid thing. Next thing a big storm comes and the captain of the Prometheus radio's them and says, look lads you will have to sit tight and wait the storm out. So Holloway and Millburn are now exploring the place and end up coming across them Snake/Worm things..... (This is were it turns from Alien to f**king AVP type of scenario) Holloway and Millburn were both shitting  themselves not long ago, but now Millburn starts to act like f**king Steve Irwin around this strange creature before it attacks them... Now think about this? it is like one of us walking in to some unknown jungle and seeing something strange like a f**king freaky looking Snake and then going up to it and trying to pat it or make it do tricks, it would not be a natural thing to do. What should of happened is that Millburn and Hollaway notice them creatures and keep well away from them. Then maybe when they are resting the thing f**king attacks them.
Logan Marshall Green after infection:
Well we only get to see him change a little before he forces Vickers to flame him. He was only written in to the script to pass on his seed to Shaw so we get that pregnancy plot.

Shaws fetus
That part of the film was great but the fetus thing just looked like a sea squid nothing horrifying, more on lines with what we see in Alien Res (when you sea them take the Queen out of Ripley) it just looks undeveloped for obvious reasons cos of the plot.

Fully Grown fetus Squid thing that attacks the Engineer.
This was by fair the weakest looking creature in Prometheus... if they somehow made this thing look scary and kept it more in touch with Gigers alien design we could of had a great final act. For me this is were prometheus falls flat it was such a wasted opportunity. Man i think the Newborn from Res would of made a better Shaw offspring then this thing. You know in that making of Alien in the quadrilogy boxset documentary, and someone talk about some other Director would handle the facehugger scene in Alien? And he says that he would just buy a liver from the market and slap it in the actors face... Well this scene is a giant version of this... :( how sad and also it was over as quick as that final battle with the jockey started. Talking about the 4 Alien flick i think now the Newborn idea feels more plausible after watching Shaws monstrosity and i say this in a serious tone because it is like the Alien DNA will always find away to exist and come to life even if it looks dumb as f**k.

Jockey Xeno / Proto Alien
I was glad that Ridley give us this because this is for the Alien Fans, but this was yet another wasted opportunity. The design itself was ok, i did like how it had that thin anorexic look and i even liked the shape of its head. Only thing i wish its face was more on pair with Kanes Son.

Holloway Monkey Zombie dude:
I liked Holloway when he was human, but i see no point in having in him Prometheus after he gets infected. It just felt like another sub plot that never really worked. However the part were he is waiting outside the Prometheus and his body is all twisted looked freaky. Just think of the Alien crab walk that was cut from Alien and you will know what i mean. Then when he finally got inside he was soon killed off. His little fight with the canon fooder of prometheus was great, it was just a shame we could not get to see him act more Alien and see him change a little more in to something even more horrid. Another wasted opportunity but at the same time a sub plot that never needed to be there.

Things that Bugged Me.

Vickers should of been killed by the Proto Alien or at the end of the film you see vickers stuck on the planet on her own and then you see Proto Jockey Alien rise from behind her, then credits. I did like Vickers death but it should of been used on someone else. Like why the f**k have 3 people commit suicide by crashing the Prometheus in to the Jockey ship? You should have had only the Captain do that, and the others try and make a break for it as well. but saying that maybe the other crew were needed to pilot Prometheus? well they should of least had one wanting to escape with Vickers then have him suffer Vickers crushing fate and just leave 2 of them to pilot the ship... But personally i would of liked to of seen only the captain do the suicide run and that way we would of had afew more fodder for the Jockey or Proto/Alien.

The music:
Music felt wrong, it was defo on the other end of the spectrum then what the score from Alien was. However dont get me wrong, the music itself was good but it just felt it should of been in a differnt film. I did hear some music/sounds from Alien in Prometheus but it was very short lived. Also i felt the score(s) were sometime over used in parts of the film that would of been more tense if the was no music at all. (watch Alien and Aliens and even JC The Thing and you will know what i mean.)

Not much sounds inside the Prometheus Ship. Like you know in Alien you can hear the ship making humming noises, like it has its own personality and the ship seems to be Alive well i cant remember hearing anything like this inside the Prometheus. However this could be due to the Nostromo being old.

More engineer action would of been nice and a better climax of Proto/Jockey Alien.

That dam fully Grown fetus Squid thing.
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NOW TO THE GOOD STUFF.
It looks dam amazing everything from the Prometheus to the Jocky ship and that big head room was all Alien on roids.

Most of the Actors are great, i would say about 85% of them played there roles pretty well. Michael Fassbender was my favorite.

The engineer(s) looked awsome, i was thinking that a humanoid jockey dude would look pretty silly but i was shocked that he looked pretty dam good. I hope we see him in Gear Box Aliens game cos he needs to be explored even more. I hope we get another 2 Prometheus cos i want to see even more off this race but if not i can see him being apart of some shit AVP3 flix.

The ancient astronaut theory i dig. I like how Shaw still holds on to her cross and says something on the lines of who was the Jockey's creator. (well something like that)

When Shaw removes that squid looking thing from her belly it was great and tense.

I was glad we did get to see a form of xeno at the end of the film, even if it was just a 10second money shot for the fans.

David DAVID

And david roaming the ship at the start why everyone was sleeping.

Overall:
Prometheus was never going to be perfect because the thing that worked for Alien was its mystery and horror. Every one of us on this forum pre Prometheus had our own ideas and theories of what the Jocky was, and why was the Alien created? Prometheus gives us a little taste of this, some of it works well and some of it leaves more questions than answers. However for me i was at least 75% satisfied just a shame afew little things stops it from being on par with Alien and Aliens but Prometheus holds up well and it is now my 3rd favorite Alien flick. 7.5/10 cant wait for it on blu-ray.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 02, 2012, 08:44:19 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 08:38:39 PM
I'm so glad to hear Fassbender is as memorable as Ash.

Other question,
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Do we see the Engineer piloting the ship when he attempts to leave the moon?  Is he sitting in his chair or the console seat?  How cool does it look?
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Only shot of him piloting is the one, pretty much, from the trailer. He suits up and everything activates. End.
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Kimo, you're mixing up Holloway with Fifield  :P
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 02, 2012, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 08:38:39 PM
I'm so glad to hear Fassbender is as memorable as Ash.

Other question,
Spoiler
Do we see the Engineer piloting the ship when he attempts to leave the moon?  Is he sitting in his chair or the console seat?  How cool does it look?
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fassbender is truely brilliant, and probably the best thing about prometheus, and yes we see the engineer, hes the one getting in the jockey suit in the trailer, and tbh, the suit looks a bit crap plastic cgi, and the size doesnt look right, doesnt look like he could reach some of the control sticks which are in the same place as in alien.

thanks

rich
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 08:47:36 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 02, 2012, 08:44:19 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 08:38:39 PM
I'm so glad to hear Fassbender is as memorable as Ash.

Other question,
Spoiler
Do we see the Engineer piloting the ship when he attempts to leave the moon?  Is he sitting in his chair or the console seat?  How cool does it look?
[close]
Spoiler
Only shot of him piloting is the one, pretty much, from the trailer. He suits up and everything activates. End.
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I really wanted to see how they operated the spaceship.  Bah  :(
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: red_otter on Jun 02, 2012, 08:59:53 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 08:38:39 PM
I'm so glad to hear Fassbender is as memorable as Ash.

Other question,
Spoiler
Do we see the Engineer piloting the ship when he attempts to leave the moon?  Is he sitting in his chair or the console seat?  How cool does it look?
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Spoiler
What Valaquen said. I'd add, I'm so disappointed with the eventual revelation of the Space Jockeys in Prometheus in any event that I don't think any of it looks that cool. The original Alien SJ is infinitely more mysterious, weird, noble, beautiful...I could go on. One of many aspects of the film that lacks any poetry or sense of what made the original so memorable.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Kimo on Jun 02, 2012, 09:09:40 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 02, 2012, 08:44:19 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 02, 2012, 08:38:39 PM
I'm so glad to hear Fassbender is as memorable as Ash.

Other question,
Spoiler
Do we see the Engineer piloting the ship when he attempts to leave the moon?  Is he sitting in his chair or the console seat?  How cool does it look?
[close]
Spoiler
Only shot of him piloting is the one, pretty much, from the trailer. He suits up and everything activates. End.
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Kimo, you're mixing up Holloway with Fifield  :P

Dam lol too many names to remember... I glad its not Alien 3 i am reviewing then pmsl.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 02, 2012, 10:10:15 PM
"I want to scare the shit out of you."
- Ridley Scott

The quote which launched a thousand fandom orgasms... The question is, did he succeed?

'Prometheus' is what happens when you throw 'The Thing' and 'Event Horizon' in a blender, decide it needs some 'Splice' and then, for no apparent reason, decide to throw away most of what could have made it an iconic piece of horror for the modern age. There are no two ways about this: The film had all the ingredients required to make it a potential new cinematic masterpiece, but began to start shedding them along the creative road as it journeyed along to completion.

Don't get me wrong, it's still an effective piece of science-fiction. Something which manages to feel both real and epic. If you're despairing at Hollywood's continuing attempts to try and splice together the DNA of Michael Bay and Roland Emmerich, then a trip to see this will be refreshing. Visually-speaking, it's something of an oasis in a graveyard of pretenders to the throne, marred so much by their own reliance on fast-paced jump-cuts and giant robots, that they seem to forget the art of story-crafting completely.

Unfortunately, what made 'Alien' - and its initial sequel - so successful... That very sense of realism... Is in some way ruined by the polished nature of, well, something trying to out-epic itself. There is nothing - I repeat, nothing - which comes close to how awe-inspiring and disturbing that famous scene of the original Space Jockey is. There are attempts and the sets are beautiful, but even though the film makes a point of exploring these cavernous extraterrestrial labyrinths to a far greater extent, there's nothing which really fills you with the same sense of wonder. By attempting to be overly clever and over-engineer (no pun intended) itself, 'Prometheus' seems to lose sight of what made its source material so compelling.

Again, that isn't to say it's a failure. It's not. 'Alien' films, most especially, are often rated by how much entertainment and escapist value they have. In this, 'Prometheus' mostly succeeds. But like that old elephantine monstrosity rooted to its telescopic contraption, the shadow of a certain blockbuster from the 1970s looms heavily over what we are seeing. Every time you see characters step foot into the Space Jockey's realm, you want it to out-do the original. You really do. Or at least equal it. You want that same combined sense of wonderment and dread to loom out of the shadows and remind you why millions of us rewatch the originals, to this very day. You want the film to somehow prove it's earned the right to its vast budget and the involvement of Ridley Scott and HR Giger.

Because, admit it... The teenager in you pored over Giger's 'Book Of Alien' like it was porn. You hoarded those comics, damn it. You've seen the masterpieces so many times, discussed them with so many like-minded fans, that it would be impossible for giants like these to get it wrong. We've got technology and visual techniques available to us now, which simply didn't exist back then. Hell, you're so aware of what made those classics as great as they are, that you can tell when something else is copying those very same elements!

So, where does it succeed? Where does it fail?

First things first: You're going to see this because it's a monster movie. You want to know how masterfully the creature designs are handled. And this is probably the film's greatest weakness...

Why? Because gone are any hint of biomechanical design aesthetics. Literally... Utterly, completely gone. Without spoiling much, the Space Jockeys have this represented upon their uniforms, by their very natures. But the entity you're actually paying to see on screen exhibits none of that. And also just as absent - sorely so - is any hint of psychosexuality.

That's right. Ridley Scott's had literally decades to think about the direction he'd take a film like this and we get relatively generic monsters. The one time when there is an element of the story which delves into what could have been familiar xenomorphic territory (something which happens to Shaw, the film's protagonist), what we end up getting isn't terribly fresh or new, at all. It's something which could have easily featured in 'Splice' (and, in some respects, actually was). All that fan speculation you've been hit over the head with for months? Brooding subtext on the threatening nature of perversion and obscenity? Horrific scenes which would make Lambert's death seem almost tame? Nowhere to be seen here.

As a matter of fact, Lambert's death deserves revisiting here, since some will inevitably try to brush off criticisms, as being to do with concern for the age rating. My answer to that is that Lambert's death, even today, could easily have earned a relatively low rating (it is, in fact, a perfect example of what can be psychologically achieved by the use of pure suggestion, editing and audio). Someone like Ridley Scott should be all the more aware of this, yet, sadly, we don't see much evidence of it here. If you're hoping for something along those lines, you're going to be disappointed. Characters speak of death, but what was born from Kane exhibited more disturbing menace.

The actual physical designs, themselves, are a mixed bag. The initial things we see are handled fairly well and have an air of menace, but most of this is because one of the characters acts ridiculously stupid. If you thought Kane's response to an opening "leathery object" was lacking in common sense, you're going to be face-palming here. It is, however, effectively brutal. But brutality is more what you expect to see in a 'Predator' film. When you go and see an 'Alien' movie, you want to glimpse something nightmarishly horrific at least being hinted at. Something which you could believe might scare a character to death if they were confronted by it (as per Lambert's original death as it was filmed before editing).

Oddly, most of the actual carnage and body count is carried out by relatively mundane, humanoid antagonists. Those of us worried by, say, the rumours about 'space mutants' and what the Space Jockey is meant to truly be? We were right to be so. This is what bites me so much about this production; it can be so majestic with set design and beautiful scenic visuals, yet show hardly any attention when it comes to the crafting of a scene which would have been much better spent on creating something genuinely disturbing and unpleasant.

None of which might have necessarily been a big problem, but Ridley Scott painted himself into a corner by being widely quoted as believing it was somehow impossible to make the original Alien seem threatening on screen, using the fact that one of them had featured as a cameo on a Disney ride as proof of this. Many of us in the fandom have argued, by contrast, that the original Alien hasn't truly been portrayed effectively since the eighties and that, in light of this, all the more effort should be spent on 'getting it right'. The very logic for why so many wanted the likes of Scott and Giger to be involved in a sequel (or, in this case, a prequel, albeit an indirect one).

So, what have we got in place of Giger's iconic stroke of psychosexual genius? Well, as I say, a rather mixed bag. Design-wise, something which has, shall we say, spent a while gestating... See what I did there? Once it began to get active, it showed hints of a promising would-be successor. Something which might end up as this film's chestburster, gradually maturing into a true extraterrestrial force of agony and death. What ends up being revealed later on? Eh... A huge disappointment (visually impressive, but compared to the original Alien, even the facehugger shall still be more memorable). Why did Ridley Scott bother pouring on the criticism on a design which would have been superior to what he ended up authorising? That's not sarcasm, I'd honestly like to know.

Spoiler
Many call it a 'squid', but it's more of a psychotic starfish on crack.
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And yes, there is a hint of the original Alien... Unfortunately, my reaction to it was akin to the morbid fascination associated with the wreckage of a car crash:

(A) Ohhh... Is that what I think it is?
(B) Huhhh... I can see the limbs and stuff, but... Oh, there's a bit more of it. Wait, it's doing something more! Ah, I knew that couldn't be all there was...
(C) Wait, did this just turn into a Roger Corman film?

It literally is something I suspect most fans would have rather been left on the cutting room floor. Or even better, had the budget diverted to something more meaningful.

Fans of 'Alien 3' will, however, recognise something of a homeage...

Spoiler
In my honest opinion, it looked like someone tried to copy the Bambi-burster with one of the parodies from 'Beetlejuice' and took away the tail.

All those weird Dark Horse comic interpretations of the infamous Jockey-burster? You will be wishing this thing was like those. It's worse than the Predalien, is how bad it is.
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So, with that over, how does the story stack up?

Whether you see this in 2D or 3D, you can't escape the feeling that it's a bit like 'Alien Versus Predator' without the Predators. If and when Anderson watches this, he's going to raise an eyebrow. The next time Scott makes one of his suggestive comments about the AVP films, you can feel free to wonder if he ever actually watched them, because there are key elements which are very similar to the first one.

Spoiler
Ironically, including the final scene.
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But that's OK, because, much like how 'The Matrix' can get away with directly copying scenes from certain Japanese animation movies before it, 'Prometheus' can get away with copying Anderson's because it does the whole archeologist-gets-hired-by-Weyland-to-go-exploring-ancient-pyramid-of-doom-thingy well (although, quite why a character refers to it as a pyramid when it's more of a mound, I was confused by). You can, however, be excused for sometimes wondering if Shaw should be getting called 'Lex'...

Some of the film cleverly plays around with the very expectations it sets up. I liked this. For example, rather than everyone haplessly marching to an almost certain death, a few of them do pipe up with how ridiculous it is to do so and even take action. However, that doesn't stop others from doing really stupid things, like taking off helmets and taking in whole lungfuls of who-knows-what, just because the atmosphere sensors think it's probably OK to breathe. Do these scientists not think about things like unknown contaminants? Or, worse still, have the training necessary for excavating ancient digs, yet don't even consider their own bodies might be exposing and infecting the environment with something?

It's stuff like this which makes you side with the character of Vickers. Yes, it's almost mandatory for an 'Alien' film to have at least one character who's there as a 'suit' and needs to exude an air of let's-do-evil-shenanigans-because-I'm-rich-and-you're-expendable. Here, Vickers supplies that function and even mixes in a little of Nostromo-era Ripley's pragmatism. You can't help but think she's almost the only sane one around, at times, when even the alleged 'scientists' show zero understanding of basic matters like quarantine. That it's a prequel to a film in which that was already a strong sub-plot, only serves to emphasise this more. She is, however, portrayed very well on screen. In retrospect, the actress doesn't have terribly much material to work with, yet gives a stronger impression for it.

Most other characters are generic. In the case of a few, I can't even remember what ended up happening to them. I would say, though, that most of them have their own little quirks, which helps to make the cast feel like real people. Few of them do the kind of casual bitching about day-to-day drudgery which rounded out the likes of Parker and Brett, which means we don't get much opportunity to empathise with most, but they're serviceable. Nevertheless, I did miss an opportunity to revisit those kinds of social divisions between the pragmatism of the engineering department and those in charge of the ship and mission.

The latter is actually problematic. In both 'Alien' and its sequel, there were obvious chains of command. Here, it's all a bit unclear. Orders are barked, but not necessarily followed and you almost get the impression that nobody on the crew roster, themselves, are even sure of who they should be taking their cues from. This makes it more difficult to believe that they're on a trillion-dollar mission of grand importance, since nobody seems the least bit trained in protocol. Over all, though, this doesn't really detract from the events of what they experience.

And experience, they do... Repeatedly, in fact - and constantly putting themselves in danger seems to become more like a habit than accident. 'Alien' was so plausible because of accidental exposure and the characters reacting how the audience would: Wanting to get the hell away. Disaster struck because they had allowed contamination to come aboard. Here, the crew of the Prometheus are struck by that most inconvenient of measures; a film director gripped by feeling he needs to keep exploring the Space Jockey lair, instead of realising that less can sometimes be more (if the Prometheus had somehow been damaged beyond repair, this would be more understandable). As a result, the characters leave you with the feeling that they have a death wish, because of how often they force themselves to go back to where tragedy clearly lurks. You yearn for the days when poor Lambert refused in tears to follow Ripley's plan of flushing out the ventilation system after Dallas' death. Here, the crew of the Prometheus would have not only done just that, but forget to rig up extra weapons for precaution.

David 8, thankfully, doesn't come close to what was threatened by some quarters of fandom. There's nothing where he shows more hints of more emotional capability than the likes of Ash or Bishop did. Moments of what could be interpreted as resent, but they don't hit you in the face. It's no better/worse than the moments of what could be seen as frustration were demonstrated by Ash. And because of this ambiguity, David 8 doesn't come across as more radically advanced than Ash, which helps the continuity. There are some very nice moments with him, in fact. Also some weird ones, though, where his motivations aren't properly clarified like those for Ash had been. I was worried that his story arc would be about becoming human, but the story doesn't dare to venture along such meaninglessly sentimental lines. So, yes, David 8 fits reasonably well alongside Ash, Bishop and Call. We witness him doing things like watching films, when you would think he'd logically be engineered to simply absorb them for analysis to an internal download, but I can forgive the film-makers for that. Acting-wise, it's a good performance of what it means to be synthetic. The few moments where he's implied as potentially angry about something, though, I could do without - they didn't make much sense for a robot to exhibit.

But what about the mystery? These 'Engineers'? Who are the Space Jockeys? Where did they come from? Why do they do what they do? What is it they're trying to do? How do they perceive us? Why?

This was the film which, everyone involved, director included, claimed would serve to investigate these questions. They were the whole point of it! And this is Ridley Scott! With a budget, no less! You cannot doubt that this will lead to epic philosophical places!

When it comes to story-telling, if you float one mystery, putting up others is perfectly fine, so long as you also provide some answers. We don't actually get much of that here. Only more questions. The Space Jockeys are explored, but you're left none the wiser. And, yes, for those of you in the know, the 'suit thing' is as daft and pointless as it sounded - which is possibly the film's greatest failing, since this was a mystery decades in the making and what most fans wanted Ridley Scott to be involved in answering, if it must be. From that perspective, it feels like an exercise in squandered potential. Then again, this is the same guy who did a director's cut of 'Alien' and didn't fix the notorious problem with Ash's head by adding a simple cut away reaction... Perhaps this should have been interpreted as a warning?

If you're not looking for the 'derelict question' to be solved, however, then it's still an interesting journey to tag along with. The infamous visual of that giant human head, strangely, doesn't get explained, which is reflective of a large proportion of what goes on, really. I attribute this to Ridley Scott's technique of 'the art' always coming first. He has an artistic canvas and paints something memorable with actors and cameras. Whether we end up liking it is neither here nor there. The canvas is what you pay him for. We get his ideas about the Space Jockeys and what they're up to, which don't hold much in the way of surprise if you've read/listened to his views of them over the years. Space Jockeys carry around biological weapons (of, apparently, varying types) and sometimes Stuff Goes Wrong(TM). Much beyond that, you won't find answered here. 'Prometheus' is more like a glimpse into the aftermath of an ancient prison riot, than a historical flashback of monumental proportions (and no, I didn't just give away the story; just a suitable analogy).

Weirdly, the aspect which has, up until now, been the most controversial; ET-influenced human origins, was conspicuously pedestrian. Those adverts where we see Shaw relate the tale of old paintings correlating to a star system? That's literally her entire proof. I felt sure that there was going to be more to it. That something would crop up later, perhaps to do with the company's financial involvement. An intriguing about-face for one of the scientist characters, revealing they knew more than had been let on. Some fragment of ET DNA or a device uncovered at one of the old dig sites. Something. They had to get all that funding, right? There must have been more to it!

But... No. That's why some of the film, as a whole, feels disappointingly painting-by-numbers. I was looking forward to at least this fantastical angle to history being done justice to. Yet, it isn't. The most we get is a short scene involving a waterfall. There was so much potential here and it actually feels inferior to the far more epic historical flashbacks in 'Alien Versus Predator'. I'm not asking for lasers and spaceships, but as someone who's been intrigued by all those old legends of 'star gods from the sky', the practical reality of a visual artist like Ridley Scott doing next to nothing with this, especially when he's been so passionate about it in interviews, is astounding. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of things I could have had Shaw or her partner speak of in dialogue, if budget was the issue. Even 'Predator' did this well, with Anna's reference of "the demons who make trophies of men" and we get nothing in 'Prometheus' approaching how memorable that was.

But with all of this said, it's worth going to see. I mean that. It won't blow your mind, but it's a nice addition to the series. This is, it's true, what damages it: You're going along to see something which should be spectacular and, while good entertainment and even (relatively) effective at what it sets out to do, it's not anything revolutionary. It's not the thing you've been waiting since the 1980s to see and you're honestly left wondering why Ridley Scott chose this project over the true sequel James Cameron was going to write for him to direct. Or why he was so openly critical of Giger's creature design, only to apparently settle for a much inferior product.

Does he "scare the shit" out of us? No. And, really, we should expect that. The guy's evolved since the 1970s, after all. He's had time to be a family guy and hasn't had opportunity to practice the art of film horror. It's the same as the director who gave us 'Jaws' later doing his version of 'War Of The Worlds': Much bigger budget and many years of experience later, but would have benefited enormously from Spielberg having taken the time to helm a couple of creature-feature projects between them.

And that's what we have. It's like a family relative you deeply admire, who used to take you out for the best times on Earth, who recently came back from his trip overseas and decides to take you out somewhere special. You appreciate the ride, love that he's doing it, but... You've kind of grown apart. And it doesn't make those old times spent with that person any less special. It's just that times have moved on and he's better at doing other things.

Or perhaps a more relevant analogy would be like how we wondered what happened to the director of the 'Terminator' films and 'Aliens', after watching 'Titanic' and 'Avatar'... Decent enough films in their own right, but a radical departure of what you would have predicted he'd have done with the subject material, years before.

Would 'Prometheus' have been better if it wasn't a prequel? Very probably. It suffers from labouring under the weight of its predecessors very, very much. The whole point of it is that it's meant to at least rise to similar heights, yet it doesn't. Prettier, yes, but when what made the old things so great was how they got their hands dirty... Pretty isn't what you need. You're comparing Tina Turner to Britney Spears and it doesn't quite mesh when they do a duet.

Is it acted well? Not in all places, but mostly, yes (in many cases, though, you won't remember half the faces as fondly as you will Ferro or even Jones, the cat). Does the story do what it should? Yes and no... It's not what we were promised. Not in the least. But it takes you for a ride and engages you. Does it out-Giger Giger? F**k, no - and never will. But it does its thing and you don't regret paying to see it. You just wish it had been something more... Special.

The real test will come later. Will we be rewatching it as many times as the others? Will we be quoting the lines to friends? Will there be entire parodies based on scenes people remember from it?

Right now, I place it behind 'Alien' and 'Aliens': As something which was meant to come up to their level or even replace them, it fails. As something which was meant to stand alongside them? Yeah... I can buy that.

I give it a 6.5 out of 10. If they'd just made it an original film and done away with any Space Jockey stuff, I'd have rated it higher. But it is entertaining and, while it needed to be more 'Event Horizon' than 'Resident Evil', what we get is by no means poor.

Yet, I'll always be left wondering how things might have turned out with more Giger-esque biomechanoids and a better script...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Redbull69 on Jun 02, 2012, 10:14:36 PM
My expectations were sky high so part of me knew they would be dashed, as many have said lots of plot holes, some dodgy acting, so i thought i would dwell a day or so before i scripted my comments.

I'll keep it short and sweet. The main cast acting was very good,  but the smaller roles was a tad disjointed as if they were reading off cue cards, Visually excellent, as said more questions raised than answers, but really this could be a good thing.

I think Ridley will get everything he expected from the film on the basis that everyone is now talking about it for good or bad reasons, which made me think. What if i had seen this film as it was set out to be a stand alone film from the Alien franchise? What if i had never seen any trailers or knew the premise of the Film, with that thought the film would be mind blowing. My initial dissapointment is ebbing with each day and it wtill be interesting to see what future devlopments arise, As Ridley says a new tangent is going to be set as the old one had been flogged to death. I would give it a 3.5 out 5 at present and will wait and preorder the Blu-ray in hope some more answers handed out for the fans.

The Engineers rock by the way.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 03, 2012, 12:00:24 AM
My butt is fine thankyou very much.  :laugh:

My alleged 'crying' has nothing to do with the ending scene (which is shit IMO) but has everything to do with the preceding hour and half of dross (again IMO).

If any of you think I wanted to feel this way.... man, I so didn't. I'd love to love this movie. But I find so much of it to be horribly scripted that I can't.

Anyhoo... will go see it again tomorrow and see how I feel after a second viewing.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 12:32:17 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 03, 2012, 12:00:24 AM
My butt is fine thankyou very much.  :laugh:

My alleged 'crying' has nothing to do with the ending scene (which is shit IMO) but has everything to do with the preceding hour and half of dross (again IMO).

If any of you think I wanted to feel this way.... man, I so didn't. I'd love to love this movie. But I find so much of it to be horribly scripted that I can't.

Anyhoo... will go see it again tomorrow and see how I feel after a second viewing.

I feel exactly the same, the narrative and script IS lousy.

AvP did it much better - at least it made sense, had better dialogue and didn't make me cringe.

At the midnight showing, so many people were aghast at how awful it was - so it's not just a few of us on here.

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Psykorgasm on Jun 03, 2012, 12:38:30 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 12:32:17 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 03, 2012, 12:00:24 AM
My butt is fine thankyou very much.  :laugh:

My alleged 'crying' has nothing to do with the ending scene (which is shit IMO) but has everything to do with the preceding hour and half of dross (again IMO).

If any of you think I wanted to feel this way.... man, I so didn't. I'd love to love this movie. But I find so much of it to be horribly scripted that I can't.

Anyhoo... will go see it again tomorrow and see how I feel after a second viewing.

I feel exactly the same, the narrative and script IS lousy.

AvP did it much better - at least it made sense, had better dialogue and didn't make me cringe.

At the midnight showing, so many people were aghast at how awful it was - so it's not just a few of us on here.

Sebastian de Rosa: When I was a kid growing up in Italy, you know what they call a moon that big?
Alexa 'Lex' Woods: Hm?
Sebastian de Rosa: La luna del cacciatore.
Alexa 'Lex' Woods: La luna del cacciatore.
Sebastian de Rosa: Brava!
Alexa 'Lex' Woods: What's that?
Sebastian de Rosa: Hunter's moon.
Alexa 'Lex' Woods: Hunter's moon.
[pause. They start laughing]

Oh that scene made me cringe alright.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 12:45:24 AM
Quote from: Psykorgasm on Jun 03, 2012, 12:38:30 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 12:32:17 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 03, 2012, 12:00:24 AM
My butt is fine thankyou very much.  :laugh:

My alleged 'crying' has nothing to do with the ending scene (which is shit IMO) but has everything to do with the preceding hour and half of dross (again IMO).

If any of you think I wanted to feel this way.... man, I so didn't. I'd love to love this movie. But I find so much of it to be horribly scripted that I can't.

Anyhoo... will go see it again tomorrow and see how I feel after a second viewing.

I feel exactly the same, the narrative and script IS lousy.

AvP did it much better - at least it made sense, had better dialogue and didn't make me cringe.

At the midnight showing, so many people were aghast at how awful it was - so it's not just a few of us on here.

Sebastian de Rosa: When I was a kid growing up in Italy, you know what they call a moon that big?
Alexa 'Lex' Woods: Hm?
Sebastian de Rosa: La luna del cacciatore.
Alexa 'Lex' Woods: La luna del cacciatore.
Sebastian de Rosa: Brava!
Alexa 'Lex' Woods: What's that?
Sebastian de Rosa: Hunter's moon.
Alexa 'Lex' Woods: Hunter's moon.
[pause. They start laughing]

Oh that scene made me cringe alright.


That scene was fine by me :) 

"Oh look, a MediPod" was just the tip of the iceberg in Prometheus
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 03, 2012, 12:53:37 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 12:32:17 AM
AvP did it much better - at least it made sense, had better dialogue and didn't make me cringe.

As I wrote in my review, it's strange to think back and see how many elements both films have in common. One of those things which hits you more in retrospect.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RICH-ENGLAND on Jun 03, 2012, 12:58:49 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 03, 2012, 12:53:37 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 12:32:17 AM
AvP did it much better - at least it made sense, had better dialogue and didn't make me cringe.

As I wrote in my review, it's strange to think back and see how many elements both films have in common. One of those things which hits you more in retrospect.
yup, and not only that, but the black oil/goo is almost identical to the stuff out of the x files, and the brave captain crashing the ship into the enemy as a last resort was done in the last two star trek movies.

tahnks

rich
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MR EL1M1NATOR on Jun 03, 2012, 01:05:48 AM
This is a bad film. No matter what connection it has to alien or anything else, it is just bad.  Bad script, bad acting, bad music, bad direction.

Every review I have seen have said it is shit, apart from the visuals, but to be honest, I didn't even like the visuals. When I saw how clean and hd it was in the first pictures I was worried, but I saw  the trailer and it seemed to still capture horror. This film has none of that. It is just awful.

This is a lazy review, but I think such a lazy film only deserves such a review.

Final thoughts/emotions: Anger, disappointment, frustration, regret, depression.

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 03, 2012, 01:13:25 AM
A friend of mine who is a hard core ALIEN fan loved Prometheus.....so interesting the extremes in opinions
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RoaryUK on Jun 03, 2012, 01:16:37 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 02, 2012, 10:10:15 PM
"I want to scare the shit out of you."
- Ridley Scott

The quote which launched a thousand fandom orgasms... The question is, did he succeed?

'Prometheus' is what happens when you throw 'The Thing' and 'Event Horizon' in a blender, decide it needs some 'Splice' and then, for no apparent reason, decide to throw away most of what could have made it an iconic piece of horror for the modern age. There are no two ways about this: The film had all the ingredients required to make it a potential new cinematic masterpiece, but began to start shedding them along the creative road as it journeyed along to completion.

Don't get me wrong, it's still an effective piece of science-fiction. Something which manages to feel both real and epic. If you're despairing at Hollywood's continuing attempts to try and splice together the DNA of Michael Bay and Roland Emmerich, then a trip to see this will be refreshing. Visually-speaking, it's something of an oasis in a graveyard of pretenders to the throne, marred so much by their own reliance on fast-paced jump-cuts and giant robots, that they seem to forget the art of story-crafting completely.

Unfortunately, what made 'Alien' - and its initial sequel - so successful... That very sense of realism... Is in some way ruined by the polished nature of, well, something trying to out-epic itself. There is nothing - I repeat, nothing - which comes close to how awe-inspiring and disturbing that famous scene of the original Space Jockey is. There are attempts and the sets are beautiful, but even though the film makes a point of exploring these cavernous extraterrestrial labyrinths to a far greater extent, there's nothing which really fills you with the same sense of wonder. By attempting to be overly clever and over-engineer (no pun intended) itself, 'Prometheus' seems to lose sight of what made its source material so compelling.

Again, that isn't to say it's a failure. It's not. 'Alien' films, most especially, are often rated by how much entertainment and escapist value they have. In this, 'Prometheus' mostly succeeds. But like that old elephantine monstrosity rooted to its telescopic contraption, the shadow of a certain blockbuster from the 1970s looms heavily over what we are seeing. Every time you see characters step foot into the Space Jockey's realm, you want it to out-do the original. You really do. Or at least equal it. You want that same combined sense of wonderment and dread to loom out of the shadows and remind you why millions of us rewatch the originals, to this very day. You want the film to somehow prove it's earned the right to its vast budget and the involvement of Ridley Scott and HR Giger.

Because, admit it... The teenager in you poured over Giger's 'Book Of Alien' like it was porn. You hoarded those comics, damn it. You've seen the masterpieces so many times, discussed them with so many like-minded fans, that it would be impossible for giants like these to get it wrong. We've got technology and visual techniques available to us now, which simply didn't exist back then. Hell, you're so aware of what made those classics as great as they are, that you can tell when something else is copying those very same elements!

So, where does it succeed? Where does it fail?

First things first: You're going to see this because it's a monster movie. You want to know how masterfully the creature designs are handled. And this is probably the film's greatest weakness...

Why? Because gone are any hint of biomechanical design aesthetics. Literally... Utterly, completely gone. Without spoiling much, the Space Jockeys have this represented upon their uniforms, by their very natures. But the entity you're actually paying to see on screen exhibits none of that. And also just as absent - sorely so - is any hint of psychosexuality.

That's right. Ridley Scott's had literally decades to think about the direction he'd take a film like this and we get relatively generic monsters. The one time when there is an element of the story which delves into what could have been familiar xenomorphic territory (something which happens to Shaw, the film's protagonist), what we end up getting isn't terribly fresh or new, at all. It's something which could have easily featured in 'Splice' (and, in some respects, actually was). All that fan speculation you've been hit over the head with for months? Brooding subtext on the threatening nature of perversion and obscenity? Horrific scenes which would make Lambert's death seem almost tame? Nowhere to be seen here.

As a matter of fact, Lambert's death deserves revisiting here, since some will inevitably try to brush off criticisms, as being to do with concern for the age rating. My answer to that is that Lambert's death, even today, could easily have earned a relatively low rating (it is, in fact, a perfect example of what can be psychologically achieved by the use of pure suggestion, editing and audio). Someone like Ridley Scott should be all the more aware of this, yet, sadly, we don't see much evidence of it here. If you're hoping for something along those lines, you're going to be disappointed. Characters speak of death, but what was born from Kane exhibited more disturbing menace.

The actual physical designs, themselves, are a mixed bag. The initial things we see are handled fairly well and have an air of menace, but most of this is because one of the characters acts ridiculously stupid. If you thought Kane's response to an opening "leathery object" was lacking in common sense, you're going to be face-palming here. It is, however, effectively brutal. But brutality is more what you expect to see in a 'Predator' film. When you go and see an 'Alien' movie, you want to glimpse something nightmarishly horrific at least being hinted at. Something which you could believe might scare a character to death if they were confronted by it (as per Lambert's original death as it was filmed before editing).

Oddly, most of the actual carnage and body count is carried out by relatively mundane, humanoid antagonists. Those of us worried by, say, the rumours about 'space mutants' and what the Space Jockey is meant to truly be? We were right to be so. This is what bites me so much about this production; it can be so majestic with set design and beautiful scenic visuals, yet show hardly any attention when it comes to the crafting of a scene which would have been much better spent on creating something genuinely disturbing and unpleasant.

None of which might have necessarily have been a big problem, but Ridley Scott painted himself into a corner by being widely quoted as believing it was somehow impossible to make the original Alien seem threatening on screen, using the fact that one of them had featured as a cameo on a Disney ride as proof of this. Many of us in the fandom have argued, by contrast, that the original Alien hasn't truly been portrayed effectively since the eighties and that, in light of this, all the more effort should be spent on 'getting it right'. The very logic for why so many wanted the likes of Scott and Giger to be involved in a sequel (or, in this case, a prequel, albeit an indirect one).

So, what have we got in place of Giger's iconic stroke of psychosexual genius? Well, as I say, a rather mixed bag. Design-wise, something which has, shall we say, spent a while gestating... See what I did there? Once it began to get active, it showed hints of a promising would-be successor. Something which might end up as this film's chestburster, gradually maturing into a true extraterrestrial force of agony and death. What ends up being revealed later on? Eh... A huge disappointment (visually impressive, but compared to the original Alien, even the facehugger shall still be more memorable). Why did Ridley Scott bother pouring on the criticism on a design which would have been superior to what he ended up authorising? That's not sarcasm, I'd honestly like to know.

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Many call it a 'squid', but it's more of a psychotic starfish on crack.
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And yes, there is a hint of the original Alien... Unfortunately, my reaction to it was akin to the morbid fascination associated with the wreckage of a car crash:

(A) Ohhh... Is that what I think it is?
(B) Huhhh... I can see the limbs and stuff, but... Oh, there's a bit more of it. Wait, it's doing something more! Ah, I knew that couldn't be all there was...
(C) Wait, did this just turn into a Roger Corman film?

It literally is something I suspect most fans would have rather been left on the cutting room floor. Or even better, had the budget diverted to something more meaningful.

Fans of 'Alien 3' will, however, recognise something of a homeage...

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In my honest opinion, it looked like someone tried to copy the Bambi-burster with one of the parodies from 'Beetlejuice' and took away the tail.

All those weird Dark Horse comic interpretations of the infamous Jockey-burster? You will be wishing this thing was like those. It's worse than the Predalien, is how bad it is.
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So, with that over, how does the story stack up?

Whether you see this in 2D or 3D, you can't escape the feeling that it's a bit like 'Alien Versus Predator' without the Predators. If and when Anderson watches this, he's going to raise an eyebrow. The next time Scott makes one of his suggestive comments about the AVP films, you can feel free to wonder if he ever actually watched them, because there are key elements which are very similar to the first one.

Spoiler
Ironically, including the final scene.
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But that's OK, because, much like how 'The Matrix' can get away with directly copying scenes from certain Japanese animation movies before it, 'Prometheus' can get away with copying Anderson's because it does the whole archeologist-gets-hired-by-Weyland-to-go-exploring-ancient-pyramid-of-doom-thingy well (although, quite why a character refers to it as a pyramid when it's more of a mound, I was confused by). You can, however, be excused for sometimes wondering if Shaw should be getting called 'Lex'...

Some of the film cleverly plays around with the very expectations it sets up. I liked this. For example, rather than everyone haplessly marching to an almost certain death, a few of them do pipe up with how ridiculous it is to do so and even take action. However, that doesn't stop others from doing really stupid things, like taking off helmets and taking in whole lungfuls of who-knows-what, just because the atmosphere sensors think it's probably OK to breathe. Do these scientists not think about things like unknown contaminants? Or, worse still, have the training necessary for excavating ancient digs, yet don't even consider their own bodies might be exposing and infecting the environment with something?

It's stuff like this which makes you side with the character of Vickers. Yes, it's almost mandatory for an 'Alien' film to have at least one character who's there as a 'suit' and needs to exude an air of let's-do-evil-shenanigans-because-I'm-rich-and-you're-expendable. Here, Vickers supplies that function and even mixes in a little of Nostromo-era Ripley's pragmatism. You can't help but think she's almost the only sane one around, at times, when even the alleged 'scientists' show zero understanding of basic matters like quarantine. That it's a prequel to a film in which that was already a strong sub-plot, only serves to emphasise this more. She is, however, portrayed very well on screen. In retrospect, the actress doesn't have terribly much material to work with, yet gives a stronger impression for it.

Most other characters are generic. In the case of a few, I can't even remember what ended up happening to them. I would say, though, that most of them have their own little quirks, which helps to make the cast feel like real people. Few of them do the kind of casual bitching about day-to-day drudgery which rounded out the likes of Parker and Brett, which means we don't get much opportunity to empathise with most, but they're serviceable. Nevertheless, I did miss an opportunity to revisit those kinds of social divisions between the pragmatism of the engineering department and those in charge of the ship and mission.

The latter is actually problematic. In both 'Alien' and its sequel, there were obvious chains of command. Here, it's all a bit unclear. Orders are barked, but not necessarily followed and you almost get the impression that nobody on the crew roster, themselves, are even sure of who they should be taking their cues from. This makes it more difficult to believe that they're on a trillion-dollar mission of grand importance, since nobody seems the least bit trained in protocol. Over all, though, this doesn't really detract from the events of what they experience.

And experience, they do... Repeatedly, in fact - and constantly putting themselves in danger seems to become more like a habit than accident. 'Alien' was so plausible because of accidental exposure and the characters reacting how the audience would: Wanting to get the hell away. Disaster struck because they had allowed contamination to come aboard. Here, the crew of the Prometheus are struck by that most inconvenient of measures; a film director gripped by feeling he needs to keep exploring the Space Jockey lair, instead of realising that less can sometimes be more (if the Prometheus had somehow been damaged beyond repair, this would be more understandable). As a result, the characters leave you with the feeling that they have a death wish, because of how often they force themselves to go back to where tragedy clearly lurks. You yearn for the days when poor Lambert refused in tears to follow Ripley's plan of flushing out the ventilation system after Dallas' death. Here, the crew of the Prometheus would have not only done just that, but forget to rig up extra weapons for precaution.

David 8, thankfully, doesn't come close to what was threatened by some quarters of fandom. There's nothing where he shows more hints of more emotional capability than the likes of Ash or Bishop did. Moments of what could be interpreted as resent, but they don't hit you in the face. It's no better/worse than the moments of what could be seen as frustration were demonstrated by Ash. And because of this ambiguity, David 8 doesn't come across as more radically advanced than Ash, which helps the continuity. There are some very nice moments with him, in fact. Also some weird ones, though, where his motivations aren't properly clarified like those for Ash had been. I was worried that his story arc would be about becoming human, but the story doesn't dare to venture along such meaninglessly sentimental lines. So, yes, David 8 fits reasonably well alongside Ash, Bishop and Call. We witness him doing things like watching films, when you would think he'd logically be engineered to simply absorb them for analysis to an internal download, but I can forgive the film-makers for that. Acting-wise, it's a good performance of what it means to be synthetic. The few moments where he's implied as potentially angry about something, though, I could do without - they didn't make much sense for a robot to exhibit.

But what about the mystery? These 'Engineers'? Who are the Space Jockeys? Where did they come from? Why do they do what they do? What is it they're trying to do? How do they perceive us? Why?

This was the film which , everyone involved, director included, claimed would serve to investigate these questions. They were the whole point of it! And this is Ridley Scott! With a budget, no less! You cannot doubt that this will lead to epic philosophical places!

When it comes to story-telling, if you float one mystery, putting up others is perfectly fine, so long as you also provide some answers. We don't actually get much of that here. Only more questions. The Space Jockeys are explored, but you're left none the wiser. And, yes, for those of you in the know, the 'suit thing' is as daft and pointless as it sounded - which is possibly the film's greatest failing, since this was a mystery decades in the making and what most fans wanted Ridley Scott to be involved in answering, if it must be. From that perspective, it feels like an exercise in squandered potential. Then again, this is the same guy who did a director's cut of 'Alien' and didn't fix the notorious problem with Ash's head by adding a simple cut away reaction... Perhaps this should have been interpreted as a warning?

If you're not looking for the 'derelict question' to be solved, however, then it's still an interesting journey to tag along with. The infamous visual of that giant human head, strangely, doesn't get explained, which is reflective of a large proportion of what goes on, really. I attribute this to Ridley Scott's technique of 'the art' always coming first. He has an artistic canvas and paints something memorable with actors and cameras. Whether we end up liking it is neither here nor there. The canvas is what you pay him for. We get his ideas about the Space Jockeys and what they're up to, which don't hold much in the way of surprise if you've read/listened to his views of them over the years. Space Jockey's carry around biological weapons (of, apparently, varying types) and sometimes Stuff Goes Wrong(TM). Much beyond that, you won't find answered here. 'Prometheus' is more like a glimpse into the aftermath of an ancient prison riot, than a historical flashback of monumental proportions (and no, I didn't just give away the story; just a suitable analogy).

Weirdly, the aspect which has, up until now, been the most controversial; ET-influenced human origins, was conspicuously pedestrian. Those adverts where we see Shaw relate the tale of old paintings correlating to a star system? That's literally her entire proof. I felt sure that there was going to be more to it. That something would crop up later, perhaps to do with the company's financial involvement. An intriguing about-face for one of the scientist characters, revealing they knew more than had been let on. Some fragment of ET DNA or a device uncovered at one of the old dig sites. Something. They had to get all that funding, right? There must have been more to it!

But... No. That's why some of the film, as a whole, feels disappointingly painting-by-numbers. I was looking forward to at least this fantastical angle to history being done justice to. Yet, it isn't. The most we get is a short scene involving a waterfall. There was so much potential here and it actually feels inferior to the far more epic historical flashbacks in 'Alien Versus Predator'. I'm not asking for lasers and spaceships, but as someone who's been intrigued by all those old legends of 'star gods from the sky', the practical reality of a visual artist like Ridley Scott doing next to nothing with this, especially when he's been so passionate about it in interviews, is astounding. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of things I could have had Shaw or her partner speak of in dialogue, if budget was the issue. Even 'Predator' did this well, with Anna's reference of "the demons who make trophies of men" and we get nothing in 'Prometheus' approaching how memorable that was.

But with all of this said, it's worth going to see. I mean that. It won't blow your mind, but it's a nice addition to the series. This is, it's true, what damages it: You're going along to see something which should be spectacular and, while good entertainment and even (relatively) effective at what it sets out to do, it's not anything revolutionary. It's not the thing you've been waiting since the 1980s to see and you're honestly left wondering why Ridley Scott chose this project over the true sequel James Cameron was going to write for him to direct. Or why he was so openly critical of Giger's creature design, only to apparently settle for a much inferior product.

Does he "scare the shit" out of us? No. And, really, we should expect that. The guy's evolved since the 1970s, after all. He's had time to be a family guy and hasn't had opportunity to practice the art of film horror. It's the same as the director who gave us 'Jaws' later doing his version of 'War Of The Worlds': Much bigger budget and many years of experience later, but would have benefited enormously from Spielberg having taken the time to helm a couple of creature-feature projects between them.

And that's what we have. It's like a family relative you deeply admire, who used to take you out for the best times on Earth, who recently came back from his trip overseas and deciding to take you out somewhere special. You appreciate the ride, love that he's doing it, but... You've kind of grown apart. And it doesn't make those old times spent with that person any less special. It's just that times have moved on and he's better at doing other things.

Or perhaps a more relevant analogy would be like how we wondered what happened to the director of the 'Terminator' films and 'Aliens', after watching 'Titanic' and 'Avatar'... Decent enough films in their own right, but a radical departure of what you would have predicted he'd have done with the subject material, years before.

Would 'Prometheus' have been better if it wasn't a prequel? Very probably. It suffers from labouring under the weight of its predecessors very, very much. The whole point of it is that it's meant to at least rise to similar heights, yet it doesn't. Prettier, yes, but when what made the old things so great was how they got their hands dirty... Pretty isn't what you need. You're comparing Tina Turner to Britney Spears and it doesn't quite mesh when they do a duet.

Is it acted well? Not in all places, but mostly, yes (in many cases, though, you won't remember half the faces as fondly as you will Ferro or even Jones, the cat). Does the story do what it should? Yes and no... It's not what we were promised. Not in the least. But it takes you for a ride and engages you. Does it out-Giger Giger? f**k, no - and never will. But it does its thing and you don't regret paying to see it. You just wish it had been something more... Special.

The real test will come later. Will we be rewatching it as many times as the others? Will we be quoting the lines to friends? Will there be entire parodies based on scenes people remember from it?

Right now, I place it behind 'Alien' and 'Aliens': As something which was meant to come up to their level or even replace them, it fails. As something which was meant to stand alongside them? Yeah... I can buy that.

I give it a 6.5 out of 10. If they'd just made it an original film and done away with any Space Jockey stuff, I'd have rated it higher. But it is entertaining and, while it needed to be more 'Event Horizon' than 'Resident Evil', what we get is by no means poor.

Yet, I'll always be left wondering how things might have turned out with more Giger-esque biomechanoids and a better script...

Great review here, I agreed with almost everything you said and even gave Prometheus the same score.  But I have to say, Michael fassbender was perfect as David in my opnion. He is one of the few things the film makers did get right, he typified everything about David that was mysterious, inquisitive, humorous maybe even dangerous, his performance felt real as any of the robots from the Alien films, indeed I thought Fassbender pretty much held this film up on his own a lot of the time.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 01:20:26 AM
Quote from: MR EL1M1NATOR on Jun 03, 2012, 01:05:48 AM

This is a lazy review, but I think such a lazy film only deserves such a review.

Final thoughts/emotions: Anger, disappointment, frustration, regret, depression.

Agreed, and I feel your pain  :-\
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 03, 2012, 01:22:21 AM
Quote from: RoaryUK on Jun 03, 2012, 01:16:37 AM
Great review here, I agreed with almost everything you said and even gave Prometheus the same score.  But I have to say, Michael fassbender was perfect as David in my opnion. He is one of the few things the film makers did get right, he typified everything about David that was mysterious, inquisitive, humorous maybe even dangerous, his performance felt real as any of the robots from the Alien films.

Good to know my long-winded analysis pleased someone. :)

As I say, yes, he sits a lot more comfortably alongside Ash and co, than I had feared he might. I'm not sure Fassbender deserves the BEST ACTOR EVER praise heaped on him by some for this, but he played the role very well. I just would've liked his character's motivations to have been clarified better.

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And the "every child wants their parents dead" lines was... Bizarre. Where did he learn that from? Or did Ridley hint he's been watching late-night screenings of 'Gladiator'? :)
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 03, 2012, 01:26:09 AM
That is a very nice review Xenomorphine, a breath of fresh air after reading reviews likie

"It sucks! How could they do that? This movie is garbage, stupid Lindelof! What was Scott thinking?" or "This is a masterpiece, this is what Alien sequel shouldve always been like, Scott is a god! This is the only true companion to Alien!"
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RoaryUK on Jun 03, 2012, 01:28:43 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 03, 2012, 01:22:21 AM
Quote from: RoaryUK on Jun 03, 2012, 01:16:37 AM
Great review here, I agreed with almost everything you said and even gave Prometheus the same score.  But I have to say, Michael fassbender was perfect as David in my opnion. He is one of the few things the film makers did get right, he typified everything about David that was mysterious, inquisitive, humorous maybe even dangerous, his performance felt real as any of the robots from the Alien films.

Good to know my long-winded analysis pleased someone. :)

As I say, yes, he sits a lot more comfortably alongside Ash and co, than I had feared he might. I'm not sure Fassbender deserves the BEST ACTOR EVER praise heaped on him by some for this, but he played the role very well. I just would've liked his character's motivations to have been clarified better.

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And the "every child wants their parents dead" lines was... Bizarre. Where did he learn that from? Or did Ridley hint he's been watching late-night screenings of 'Gladiator'? :)
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Wasn't that the line David quoted to Shaw in the Medpod room?  Not sure what he really meant either, just assumed it had something to do with him watching her dreams in hypersleep that I missed.  lol
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 03, 2012, 01:49:42 AM
i suppose i should copy-paste the thing i posted in the other thread by mistake.

"the movie was definitely flawed. no denying to that. characters that were barely present and not even properly introduced play bigger parts than some which occupy a bigger deal of run time, there are things happening without a reason, decisions made without a reason, what was the point of hiding the presence of Wayland and his mercs? what was the point of the snake creature? what was the point of Fifields mutation? all of these things point somewhere, but the movie utterly fails to make them matter, and to cover it it keeps trowing more and more stuff until it can almost overwhelm you and make you forget just what the f**k is going on. visuals were nice but the quick editing and soundtrack made it impossible to immerse in them. there wasn't a single pan, time lapse, walking, flying or exploring sequence to build tension. luckily Ridley still managed without, but it didn't feel like it was comfortable with showing you more.

and i get the feel like every single one of those things had a strong and solid reason idea behind them, but they just forgot to implement it, and instead of ditching it entirely, they kept it because they were afraid they wouldn't get a second shot at it.

i pray that when the movie is released there's enough footage ready to be added in to make this mess make sense, because when it does, i can actually start loving it. so far i feel like i watched a movie that hasn't finished filming yet. this needs like two whole extra hours.

still nice. i missed the oppressive dark exteriors of LV-426 but movies like red planet proved that empty alien deserts can be frightening too. i wish there was more to that planet though. it seemed unbelievably opportune for them to land and end up so close to these temples right away. wonder if there were more Gigerian, creepy structures around the planet that they just didn't see. that's another point, we never knew the real nature of this place. even in alien we knew the Derelict crashed there, it was very solidly established. word-dropping "military base" here was as close as we got, and i got the impression that it wasn't accurate to the situation at all."
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 03, 2012, 03:16:15 AM
Quote from: MR EL1M1NATOR on Jun 03, 2012, 01:05:48 AM
This is a bad film. No matter what connection it has to alien or anything else, it is just bad.  Bad script, bad acting, bad music, bad direction.

Every review I have seen have said it is shit, apart from the visuals, but to be honest, I didn't even like the visuals. When I saw how clean and hd it was in the first pictures I was worried, but I saw  the trailer and it seemed to still capture horror. This film has none of that. It is just awful.

This is a lazy review, but I think such a lazy film only deserves such a review.

Final thoughts/emotions: Anger, disappointment, frustration, regret, depression.

I completely disagree with everything your saying here, but what stands out most is the bad acting and bad direction. did you even watch the film? Fassbender and rapace are very good with fassbender turning in a scene stealing effort. and bad direction this is the best looking film that ever been produced, if you have any that look better please tell us. i dont know wheter your joking or just dont have a clue what your on about.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: BANE on Jun 03, 2012, 03:18:21 AM
I haven't posted here in ages, but with Prometheus out, I thought I'd come back and check out some reviews by some knowledgeable fans.

I have one thing to say: Anyone comparing it to AvP and The Thing 2011, and even calling it worse, can eat themselves. Seriously. Just eat yourself until you implode like a sun collapsing in on itself. Because the only thing I can imagine sitting behind your monitors is a black hole of stupid, sucking in any intelligence and destroying it.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 03, 2012, 03:21:15 AM
Hey Blain, what did you think of Prometheus?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 03, 2012, 03:24:44 AM
Quote from: BLAIN on Jun 03, 2012, 03:18:21 AM
I haven't posted here in ages, but with Prometheus out, I thought I'd come back and check out some reviews by some knowledgeable fans.

I have one thing to say: Anyone comparing it to AvP and The Thing 2011, and even calling it worse, can eat themselves. Seriously. Just eat yourself until you implode like a sun collapsing in on itself. Because the only thing I can imagine sitting behind your monitors is a black hole of stupid, sucking in any intelligence and destroying it.

Its seem IQs dropped sharply since you left
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: PHANTOM on Jun 03, 2012, 03:30:23 AM
Can someone please tell me if the film is too dark as in lighting/colour grading? I just want to make sure I see this movie and it looks visually impressive like what we saw in the trailers.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: BANE on Jun 03, 2012, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 03, 2012, 03:21:15 AM
Hey Blain, what did you think of Prometheus?
I thought it was excellent. 8.5/10. Not as good as Aliens or Alien, but if anyone went in expecting it to be, they set themselves up for disappointment, because let's face it, we've grown to love those films to a point where anything new will initially pale by comparison.

Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 03, 2012, 03:24:44 AM
Its seem IQs dropped sharply since you left
People are entitled to their opinion, but at some point it crosses the line from reasonable opinion into tasteless idiocy.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 03, 2012, 03:35:35 AM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Jun 03, 2012, 03:30:23 AM
Can someone please tell me if the film is too dark as in lighting/colour grading? I just want to make sure I see this movie and it looks visually impressive like what we saw in the trailers.

No, it was lit fine.

Quote from: BLAIN on Jun 03, 2012, 03:18:21 AM
I have one thing to say: Anyone comparing it to AvP and The Thing 2011, and even calling it worse, can eat themselves. Seriously. Just eat yourself until you implode like a sun collapsing in on itself. Because the only thing I can imagine sitting behind your monitors is a black hole of stupid, sucking in any intelligence and destroying it.

It's perfectly valid to compare two films when the similarities being referenced are obvious.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 03:36:01 AM
Quote from: BLAIN on Jun 03, 2012, 03:18:21 AM
I haven't posted here in ages, but with Prometheus out, I thought I'd come back and check out some reviews by some knowledgeable fans.

I have one thing to say: Anyone comparing it to AvP and The Thing 2011, and even calling it worse, can eat themselves. Seriously. Just eat yourself until you implode like a sun collapsing in on itself. Because the only thing I can imagine sitting behind your monitors is a black hole of stupid, sucking in any intelligence and destroying it.

I have a first class degree, an MA and work in the film industry - not a stupid person.
For me, AVP was a much better movie. Not sure why somebody's opinion gets you all riled up like that. Not very mature, a bit like this turkey of a film.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 03, 2012, 03:38:12 AM
Quote from: BLAIN on Jun 03, 2012, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 03, 2012, 03:21:15 AM
Hey Blain, what did you think of Prometheus?
I thought it was excellent. 8.5/10. Not as good as Aliens or Alien, but if anyone went in expecting it to be, they set themselves up for disappointment, because let's face it, we've grown to love those films to a point where anything new will initially pale by comparison.

Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 03, 2012, 03:24:44 AM
Its seem IQs dropped sharply since you left
People are entitled to their opinion, but at some point it crosses the line from reasonable opinion into tasteless idiocy.

I think theres a lot of people on here who like to push people and wind them up. trolls basically. its fun to see people sprout shit tho because it obvious they dont have a clue what theyre talking about. opinions are fine as long as theyre backed up by reason not just 'this film sucks the alien looks crap in it'


Quote from: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 03:36:01 AM
Quote from: BLAIN on Jun 03, 2012, 03:18:21 AM
I haven't posted here in ages, but with Prometheus out, I thought I'd come back and check out some reviews by some knowledgeable fans.

I have one thing to say: Anyone comparing it to AvP and The Thing 2011, and even calling it worse, can eat themselves. Seriously. Just eat yourself until you implode like a sun collapsing in on itself. Because the only thing I can imagine sitting behind your monitors is a black hole of stupid, sucking in any intelligence and destroying it.

I have a first class degree, an MA and work in the film industry - not a stupid person.
For me, AVP was a much better movie. Not sure why somebody's opinion gets you all riled up like that. Not very mature, a bit like this turkey of a film.

Im doing my film degree now where did you do it? and if you are a master degree student you must appreciate prometheus as a piece of art and thus cant compare it to the comic book film avp.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: BANE on Jun 03, 2012, 03:48:08 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 03, 2012, 03:35:35 AM
It's perfectly valid to compare two films when the similarities being referenced are obvious.
Valid comparisons are fine. Flat out stating, with no reason, that The Thing or AvP is better is ludicrous. Which has happened once, twice, maybe even three times (I stopped checking after the first) in the last 10 or so pages.

Quote from: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 03:36:01 AM
I have a first class degree, an MA and work in the film industry - not a stupid person.
For me, AVP was a much better movie. Not sure why somebody's opinion gets you all riled up like that. Not very mature, a bit like this turkey of a film.
Objectively, there's no reason AvP is better. And subjectively, it's lack of...anything substantially better than the scraps off the table of the films comprising the respective franchises gives me cause to question the mental well being of anyone saying it's quality is above that of Prometheus. Which is not, as I said, better than Alien or Aliens, but (again, as I said) nobody should have expected it to be so. Am I riled up? No. But I thought the eating yourself thing was kind of funny, so I went with it.  ;)

BTW, you weren't here (as far as I know) at the time I left for a little while, so I think a belated welcome is in order. Welcome.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 03:53:59 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 03, 2012, 03:38:12 AM
Quote from: BLAIN on Jun 03, 2012, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 03, 2012, 03:21:15 AM
Hey Blain, what did you think of Prometheus?
I thought it was excellent. 8.5/10. Not as good as Aliens or Alien, but if anyone went in expecting it to be, they set themselves up for disappointment, because let's face it, we've grown to love those films to a point where anything new will initially pale by comparison.

Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 03, 2012, 03:24:44 AM
Its seem IQs dropped sharply since you left
People are entitled to their opinion, but at some point it crosses the line from reasonable opinion into tasteless idiocy.

I think theres a lot of people on here who like to push people and wind them up. trolls basically. its fun to see people sprout shit tho because it obvious they dont have a clue what theyre talking about. opinions are fine as long as theyre backed up by reason not just 'this film sucks the alien looks crap in it'


Quote from: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 03:36:01 AM
Quote from: BLAIN on Jun 03, 2012, 03:18:21 AM
I haven't posted here in ages, but with Prometheus out, I thought I'd come back and check out some reviews by some knowledgeable fans.

I have one thing to say: Anyone comparing it to AvP and The Thing 2011, and even calling it worse, can eat themselves. Seriously. Just eat yourself until you implode like a sun collapsing in on itself. Because the only thing I can imagine sitting behind your monitors is a black hole of stupid, sucking in any intelligence and destroying it.

I have a first class degree, an MA and work in the film industry - not a stupid person.
For me, AVP was a much better movie. Not sure why somebody's opinion gets you all riled up like that. Not very mature, a bit like this turkey of a film.

Im doing my film degree now where you doing it? and if you are a master degree student you must appreciate prometheus as a piece of art and thus cant compare it to the comic book film avp.

Depends how you define a piece of art.. as a visual art installation it would be fine. But it is a narrative film - and as such it fails on all the levels I expect a great movie to deliver. Plot, characterisation, narrative cohesion, not treating the audience like idiots etc..

I'm glad that you like Prometheus, but for me and many others it is a big bad raspberry to film fans.. let alone ALIEN film fans.

Yes bits of it are nice to look at, but a good script is essential for a great film.. and this script is abysmal.

By the way, this is my opinion and NOT an attack on you ;o)

( I studied in London)


Quote from: BLAIN on Jun 03, 2012, 03:48:08 AM

BTW, you weren't here (as far as I know) at the time I left for a little while, so I think a belated welcome is in order. Welcome.

Thanks for the welcome.

I'm genuinely pleased for the people who liked the movie, but I do find it odd that people on forums attack those that are just expressing their disappointment.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 03, 2012, 04:00:20 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 03:53:59 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 03, 2012, 03:38:12 AM
Quote from: BLAIN on Jun 03, 2012, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 03, 2012, 03:21:15 AM
Hey Blain, what did you think of Prometheus?
I thought it was excellent. 8.5/10. Not as good as Aliens or Alien, but if anyone went in expecting it to be, they set themselves up for disappointment, because let's face it, we've grown to love those films to a point where anything new will initially pale by comparison.

Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 03, 2012, 03:24:44 AM
Its seem IQs dropped sharply since you left
People are entitled to their opinion, but at some point it crosses the line from reasonable opinion into tasteless idiocy.

I think theres a lot of people on here who like to push people and wind them up. trolls basically. its fun to see people sprout shit tho because it obvious they dont have a clue what theyre talking about. opinions are fine as long as theyre backed up by reason not just 'this film sucks the alien looks crap in it'


Quote from: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 03:36:01 AM
Quote from: BLAIN on Jun 03, 2012, 03:18:21 AM
I haven't posted here in ages, but with Prometheus out, I thought I'd come back and check out some reviews by some knowledgeable fans.

I have one thing to say: Anyone comparing it to AvP and The Thing 2011, and even calling it worse, can eat themselves. Seriously. Just eat yourself until you implode like a sun collapsing in on itself. Because the only thing I can imagine sitting behind your monitors is a black hole of stupid, sucking in any intelligence and destroying it.

I have a first class degree, an MA and work in the film industry - not a stupid person.
For me, AVP was a much better movie. Not sure why somebody's opinion gets you all riled up like that. Not very mature, a bit like this turkey of a film.

Im doing my film degree now where you doing it? and if you are a master degree student you must appreciate prometheus as a piece of art and thus cant compare it to the comic book film avp.

Depends how you define a piece of art.. as a visual art installation it would be fine. But it is a narrative film - and as such it fails on all the levels I expect a great movie to deliver. Plot, characterisation, narrative cohesion, not treating the audience like idiots etc..

I'm glad that you like Prometheus, but for me and many others it is a big bad raspberry to film fans.. let alone ALIEN film fans.

Yes bits of it are nice to look at, but a good script is essential for a great film.. and this script is abysmal.

By the way, this is my opinion and NOT an attack on you ;o)

( I studied in London)

Haha i know your not, everyones entitled to their own opinion just gets annoying when fan boys dont back up there arguments.

As everyone knows RS is a visual director and this shines through in prometheus, amazing cinematography and scene set, the film really benefits from the sets. remeber back to how popcorn and teen targeted AVP was, theres no way you can compare two such films, yes they have a same base of storyline but this film has completely different ideas. you didnt see shaw picking up her axe and backing up the engineer ala AVP.

Nice im doing mine in Liverpool, a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: BANE on Jun 03, 2012, 04:09:25 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 03:53:59 AM
Thanks for the welcome.

I'm genuinely pleased for the people who liked the movie, but I do find it odd that people on forums attack those that are just expressing their disappointment.
I have found that, on the internet, a lot of the opinions voiced bashing a film are either not based on anything and are merely "fanboy" biases, or the ramblings of attention deficit imbeciles (obviously you are neither, but nonetheless there are those who will fit into one or both of those). I couldn't really fathom why anyone would like AvP better, and it sort of made me (needlessly) angry, like when a friend of mine said Transformers was better than Coriolanus.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 03, 2012, 04:20:38 AM
I find it fascinating reading both sides how strongly they stand on their stance. Its either "its great" or "its an embarrassment". For someone who havent seen the movie and has no clue about how its gonna be, its interesting to read both sides
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 03, 2012, 04:21:09 AM
there's only one side here. the "I DISAGREE! YOU MUST BE TROLLING!" one.

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Necronomicon12UK on Jun 03, 2012, 04:23:17 AM
hfeldhaus: True, Shaw didn't join forces with her axe ..

Spoiler
no, we had a magically grown up cuddles let loose  *groan*
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Glad ya enjoying watching all those movies up there in Scouseland :)


BLAIN: Now THAT is ridiculous  ;)
Prometheus is better than Transformers, i'll  give you that.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 03, 2012, 04:27:56 AM
yeah the squid was... one of the weaker points of the film but i just think the strong points make up for these. apart from the editing
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2012, 07:22:46 AM
For all I've criticised about the film, it is indeed a beautiful film with a few great performances. The opening blew me away. Ultimately, what let it down was shoddy editing in the last hour (and I mean shoddy) and misplaced musical cues.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 03, 2012, 08:00:44 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2012, 07:22:46 AM
For all I've criticised about the film, it is indeed a beautiful film with a few great performances. The opening blew me away. Ultimately, what let it down was shoddy editing in the last hour (and I mean shoddy) and misplaced musical cues.
Can you give examples? I did think the score was over used, but that just seems to be the modern practise of having music behind every single shot/scene rather than it being 'misplaced' per se - IMO.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2012, 08:04:41 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 03, 2012, 08:00:44 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2012, 07:22:46 AM
For all I've criticised about the film, it is indeed a beautiful film with a few great performances. The opening blew me away. Ultimately, what let it down was shoddy editing in the last hour (and I mean shoddy) and misplaced musical cues.
Can you give example? I did the score was over used, but that just seems to be the modern practise of having music behind every single shot/scene rather than it being 'misplaced' per se - IMO.
Of the music? For example, the Alien theme playing during Weyland's speech. Should have come later, perhaps when the Ampule room was revealed, or even the Orrery, where it really would have connected to the original film (which is obviously what they were trying to do with its inclusion). The film's main adventure theme played through what would have been quiet, introspective or skin-crawling scenes. It was tonally way off and I remember wishing it would go away. Ridley should stuff the modern practice, I say. I'm hoping, hoping for a re-edit for the home release.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ScardyFox on Jun 03, 2012, 08:17:52 AM
Outstanding review, Xenomorphine. Really well thought out, delivered and digested well.  Thanks for putting the time into making it.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 03, 2012, 08:18:51 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2012, 08:04:41 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 03, 2012, 08:00:44 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2012, 07:22:46 AM
For all I've criticised about the film, it is indeed a beautiful film with a few great performances. The opening blew me away. Ultimately, what let it down was shoddy editing in the last hour (and I mean shoddy) and misplaced musical cues.
Can you give example? I did the score was over used, but that just seems to be the modern practise of having music behind every single shot/scene rather than it being 'misplaced' per se - IMO.
Of the music? For example, the Alien theme playing during Weyland's speech. Should have come later, perhaps when the Ampule room was revealed, or even the Orrery, where it really would have connected to the original film (which is obviously what they were trying to do with its inclusion). The film's main adventure theme played through what would have been quiet, introspective or skin-crawling scenes. It was tonally way off and I remember wishing it would go away. Ridley should stuff the modern practice, I say. I'm hoping, hoping for a re-edit for the home release.
Examples of both I was interested in valaquen. Re. score and cues. I can't agree about the Alien theme... as I'd hazard a guess that its inclusion at that point was a Ridley Scott choice and not the composer. So if Scott retrospectively wants that to be the cue for Weyland, or for a theme of exploration at any price, then that's his choice. We may not like it, but I don't think it makes the use of that theme there 'wrong' or bad filmmaking. Same applies to overuse of the score. I think it's pandering to the lowest common denominator, but it doesn't make it emperically bad film making.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2012, 08:23:22 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 03, 2012, 08:18:51 AM
Examples of both I was interested in valequen. Re. score and cues. I can't agree about the Alien theme... as I'd hazard a guess that its inclusion at that point was a Ridley Scott choice and not the composer. So if Scott retrospectively wants that to be the cue for Weyland, or for a theme of exploration at any price, then that's his choice. We may not like it, but I don't think it makes the use of that theme there 'wrong' or bad filmmaking. Same applies to overuse of the score. I think it's pandering to the lowest common denominator, but it doesn't make it emperically bad film making.
I know it's his choice, Vile. I disagree with his choice. I'm not hysterically waving my arms around here  :P
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 03, 2012, 08:30:11 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2012, 08:23:22 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 03, 2012, 08:18:51 AM
Examples of both I was interested in valequen. Re. score and cues. I can't agree about the Alien theme... as I'd hazard a guess that its inclusion at that point was a Ridley Scott choice and not the composer. So if Scott retrospectively wants that to be the cue for Weyland, or for a theme of exploration at any price, then that's his choice. We may not like it, but I don't think it makes the use of that theme there 'wrong' or bad filmmaking. Same applies to overuse of the score. I think it's pandering to the lowest common denominator, but it doesn't make it emperically bad film making.
I know it's his choice, Vile. I disagree with his choice. I'm not hysterically waving my arms around here  :P
That's the point I was making. I don't like some of those choices too... But that's much more a personal taste/aesthetic thing rather than poor application of methods/styles by those involved. The use of the music in Alien is sublime (IMHO) and when the music is not there, it helps heighten the suspence. However, it seems that modern movies just don't like that approach now of 'more is less'.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: eyesofthedemon on Jun 03, 2012, 11:21:21 AM
Finally saw Prometheus yesterday,my quick review,No spoilers!

Firstly it was very entertaining with good performances from Rapace and Fassbender,David was a brilliant character that kind of carries the film at some points.
Visually its stunning,some of the best CGI ive ever seen,and by that i mean you don't really notice it!

A few con's for me though were that it all happens so quickly,there wasn't enough down time with dialogue between the characters,no slow burn build up to the climatic stuff/scares etc,to me it felt like it was edited down a lot!

And the worst bit for me was the Score (which is very important to me),it sounded like every other summer blockbuster to me,which surprised me as Marc Stretienfeld has done some great stuff before.

All in all the pro's far out weigh the con's for me

I really need to see it again,way to much to take in on first viewing
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: TronJockeyRequiem on Jun 03, 2012, 11:47:40 AM
I'm still quite perplexed about my feelings on this movie so I am not going to write a long reply but just throw out a few thoughts so far. I currently rate the movie a 6/10 in my mind.

The things I thought were handled well:

1: Set design/lighting was superb. This film cannot be criticised from a design aspect. The ship, the temples, the star room, the creatures and the effects - all pretty damn good.

2: David - Fassbender owned the film and elevated each scene he was in. I loved the little nuances such as when he is walking around the ship at the beginning and the ship shudders, he does this cool little lean to balance himself. It was not human at all and looked very strange. It was excellent.

3: Shaw was handed well.

4: I loved the ending with David and Shaw climbing out of the ship - it looked like something from Aliens. It had a very cool feeling to it.

The things I thought could have been better:

1: The storyline was all over the place and there were so many scenes where the acting was awful. Kate Dickie as Ford should have been blasted out of the airlock. It was if she was reading from a bloody autocue. LMG was passable. The script felt like it was made for a TV show.

2: The jockey was underused massively.

3: The movie was simply not scary.

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on Jun 03, 2012, 12:15:54 PM
Quote from: RoaryUK on Jun 03, 2012, 01:28:43 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 03, 2012, 01:22:21 AM
Spoiler
And the "every child wants their parents dead" lines was... Bizarre. Where did he learn that from? Or did Ridley hint he's been watching late-night screenings of 'Gladiator'? :)
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Wasn't that the line David quoted to Shaw in the Medpod room?  Not sure what he really meant either, just assumed it had something to do with him watching her dreams in hypersleep that I missed.  lol

I took it as a sly reference towards an aspect of human nature, while at the same time it also suggests a theme that David might find interesting to study, considering old Weylands quite arrogant treatment of him. He referrs to David as a son, but essentially treats him like a soulless servant.

I think it's pretty evident that David has been studying a lot about humans on the trip out there, but not in the sense that he aspire to become human himself or aquire human emotions. At one time, he directly says that he mimicks humans in order for humans to feel more comfortable around him - not the other way around.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: tubbi11 on Jun 03, 2012, 12:37:02 PM
Feel free to check out my review of "Prometheus" and leave a comment and rating while you're at it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsVdEFOLUgE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsVdEFOLUgE#ws)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: eyesofthedemon on Jun 03, 2012, 02:13:59 PM
I agree that Kate Dickie was awful,i loved it when she was thrown across the room by the Jockey,she had it coming for that "performance" :laugh:

Elba,Fassbender,Rapace and even Green's performances were pretty solid imo,although Green's "i love you babe" (or words to that effect) just before being torched was cringe worthy,the audience actually laughed
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: T Dog on Jun 03, 2012, 03:01:42 PM
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Quote from: ucdom on Jun 02, 2012, 11:41:35 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 02, 2012, 11:40:28 PM

You people were thinking the movie would be perfect?.

No, just half decent.

That's the thing though, it IS more than a half decent film. Judging from alot of the topics on the forum, you all sound soo butthurt from the newborn at the end.

Let.It.Go. The film is good.
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No it's not. It's immensly lazy and badly directed in every sense.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 03, 2012, 03:22:46 PM
I love it when people try to say anyone that dislikes the film is instantly stupid because they like it.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: T Dog on Jun 03, 2012, 03:30:55 PM
I didn't say he was stupid. I left a number of points on a previous post on what I thought was bad about the film. Most of them are fundamental film making issues.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 03, 2012, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: ScardyFox on Jun 03, 2012, 08:17:52 AM
Outstanding review, Xenomorphine. Really well thought out, delivered and digested well.  Thanks for putting the time into making it.

Much appreciated. :)

Quote from: Eva on Jun 03, 2012, 12:15:54 PM
He referrs to David as a son, but essentially treats him like a soulless servant.

I thought that peculiar, too. Figured it was something which might have resulted in the intervening years, but without any explanation for what that could have been, it really stuck out.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 03, 2012, 04:10:14 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jun 03, 2012, 03:30:55 PM
I didn't say he was stupid. I left a number of points on a previous post on what I thought was bad about the film. Most of them are fundamental film making issues.
im talking the guy you quoted who said the film is good and people need to let it go
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 03, 2012, 04:27:21 PM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 03, 2012, 03:22:46 PM
I love it when people try to say anyone that dislikes the film is instantly stupid because they like it.
I don't think anyone who dislikes the movie is stupid... but I've read a lot of stupid comments.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: T Dog on Jun 03, 2012, 04:32:59 PM
I don't begruge or demean anyone who liked the film either. It just had too many fundamentally issues associated with poor film making for me to enjoy it.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2012, 04:38:22 PM
Quotealthough, quite why a character refers to it as a pyramid when it's more of a mound, I was confused by
It was a pyramid in the script, seems like they kept the reference despite changing the structure in production.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 03, 2012, 04:40:27 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jun 03, 2012, 04:32:59 PM
I don't begruge or demean anyone who liked the film either. It just had too many fundamentally issues associated with poor film making for me to enjoy it.
im with you. I was really disappointed because of the many reasons i stated in my own review, and the many reasons others have listed here.

It feels like a wasted opportunity of a movie.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: necrophagist on Jun 03, 2012, 04:59:52 PM
I thought it was alright.

The story was a bit all over the place, but the visuals were stunning, there are no faults there at all. Thought the acting for the most part was good, although you don't really get to identify with a lot of the characters apart from the main ones in David and Shaw the most as well as a couple of the others like Vickers, Janek and Holloway.

There is quite a lack of suspense, it's not all that scary and i think there were a couple of scenes that they could have done away with. (the Janek/Vickers one in the spaceship being one). I think the ONLY thing that will do this movie justice is a sequel and another 1 or 2 movies beyond that. It would give the opportunity to tie up some of the loose ends in the story that you ended up leaving Prometheus with question marks over.

6/10 for me. But a decent platform to build a brilliant trilogy/quadrilogy out of. Think about it, how good will it be in the future to watch 3 (or 4) of them in a row with Prometheus laying the foundation of what is to come. Fix the errors made from this one and it could end up being something special in my opinion.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 03, 2012, 06:17:50 PM
What I think Prometheus will just be.

Alien - Scifi Horror
Aliens - Scifi Action
Alien 3 - Scifi Suspense
Alien: Ressurection - Scifi Action

Prometheus - Scifi
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Promethean Fire on Jun 03, 2012, 06:29:23 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 03, 2012, 06:17:50 PM
What I think Prometheus will just be.

Alien - Scifi Horror
Aliens - Scifi Action
Alien 3 - Scifi Suspense
Alien: Ressurection - Scifi Action

Prometheus - Scifi

I only wish it was truly great sci-fi.  Maybe Mr Blomkampp shall bring us that soon ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 03, 2012, 06:34:26 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2012, 04:38:22 PM
It was a pyramid in the script, seems like they kept the reference despite changing the structure in production.

I considered that, but they also refer to it as a 'mound', too.

Needed some script doctoring.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Divpax on Jun 03, 2012, 06:35:35 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 03, 2012, 06:17:50 PM
What I think Prometheus will just be.

Alien - Scifi Horror
Aliens - Scifi Action
Alien 3 - Scifi Suspense
Alien: Ressurection - Scifi Action comedy

Prometheus - Scifi
Fixed.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 03, 2012, 06:46:56 PM
Quote from: Divpax on Jun 03, 2012, 06:35:35 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 03, 2012, 06:17:50 PM
What I think Prometheus will just be.

Alien - Scifi Horror
Aliens - Scifi Action horror suspense
Alien 3 - Scifi Suspense
Alien: Ressurection - Scifi Action comedy

Prometheus - Scifi
Fixed.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: HudsonHicks on Jun 03, 2012, 07:34:18 PM
Here's my review: CAUTION HEAVY ON SPOILERS

Plot
The idea that the engineers created life on earth is a very intriguing one, and leads into some very good questions such as Why did they create us in the first place?, Why did they (apparently) plan to return to destroy us? and Who created them? It didn't bother me that the majority of these questions were left unanswered. I liked the God/evolution spin the film takes regarding life on earth, but it is by no way unique to a sci-fi film (something that Scott has stated that he was trying to do - create something that hasn't been done before). There were far too many plots and sub-plots in this movie though which resulted in more questions being raised than answers being given. Although I didn't mind some questions going unanswered this film left too many mysteries remaining for my liking, it was as if the writters came up with a plot device and just went with it without thinking about were it was heading. For this I blame Lindelof based purely on the fact that he's got form for such over stretched story arcs (see Lost). The fact that so many arcs were crammed into this film meant that certain parts of the story were rushed and resulted in the characters moving on from one thing to another far too quickly, I'm still can't get over the fact that no-one seemed to care that Shaw had operated on herself, removed an alien mutation, and left it for dead in the med-pod. The med-pod scene itself was one of the best in the film but was completely undermined by the characters (lack of) reactions. The black goo was used too much as a get out of jail free card for answering the mysteries of the film, I don't mind they we never find out exactly what it is or what it does. But I do mind that it appears to hold so many and differing qualities. The twists in the film were so bloody transparent it was as if the director took the audience for idiots, mainly Weyland being on the ship, Vickers being his daughter, the lifeboat being jetisoned. There are alot of nods to Alien and the saga in general in terms of set design, dialogue, scenarios and costumes.

Set Design
The visuals in this film were amazing and it is good to see Scott back at his best in regards to designing a set (the dude extended the largest sound stage in Europe because it wasn't big enough), and it was refreshing to see a film not rely so heavily on CGI. The design of the Prometheus was very impressive and contained traits of the Nostromo but was very obviously a different ship, far superior and designed for very different uses 10/10 on the Prometheus design alone. The Pyramid design was impressive enough but nothing new, it was a mash up of the interior to the original derelict and the pyramid in the first AvP film. The terrain of LV-223 was quite impressive though and held elements of that abbandoned Dune script and the original LV-426 planet seen in alien (especially as Prometheus enters the atmosphere and the storm approaches). The exterior shot of the Prometheus as it approaches LV-223 is very impressive and harks back to the original Alien and holds elements of 2001.

SFX
Like I said the visuals of this film are impressive due in no small part to it not being too reliant on CGI. One scene that relies heavily on CGI though fails on so many level but I shall get to that. Other parts that do rely on CGI though such as both the engineers and the Prometheus digital maps are very impressive. The collision scene between the two ships is very impressive and only let down by the two characters on the ground.

Characters
Noomi Rapace as Shaw - shows potential but never quite delivers. Her blind faith is an intriguing plot but never quite fulfils it potential. The med-pod scene was her shining moment.
Charlize Theron as Vickers - Another charcter that never reaches her potential. Could have been a bloody good company hack character like Ash and Burke before her but turns out to be just an emotional screw up looking for daddy's affections.
Idris Elba as Janek - A brilliant actor in a brilliant role. But again just not enough screen time to fulfill his potential. An obvious nod towards Dallas but just not quite there.
Logan Marshall-Green as Holloway - Just there to act as the audience partcipation into Shaw's motives and views. Doesn't appear to offer much else.
Guy Pearce as Weyland - His team briefing via 3D hologram scene was very impressive. This was due more to the SFX rather than his acting though. Other than this the film would have probably benefited more had his involvement been excluded. Just seemed pointless really.
Sean Harris & Rafe Spall as Fifield and Milburn respectively - Bloody good character chemestry that harked back to Brett and Parker, once again not enough screen time to deliver on this though.
Benedict Wong as Ravel - Still can't work out what his contribution was.
Kate Dickie as Ford - See above character profile and change his to hers.
Emun Elliott as Chance - Emun Elliott as Who?
And saving the best till last Michael Fassbender as David - This was by far the best character in the whole film and the only one with some actual depth and a decent amount of screen time. Whilst his motives and intentions are not always clear (that's a script problem not a character/actor problem) his portrayal of David was brilliant and probably on a par with Ash and Bishop in terms of an android character, if not better. He has a rather long scene all to himself at the begginning of the film and he delivers perfectly in every frame. The media have dubbed him "the actor of the moment" and it's not hard to see why. He steals the whole show.
Overall character summary - Some intriguing personalities but with the exception of David just not enough charcater depth or screen time for any of the charcters to reach their full potential. Perhaps a few less characters (like Alien) would have remedied this.

Creature design
The worms in the pyramid - So So but don't have enough screen time or infuence on the script for their design to be of any concern one way or the other.
The engineers - a rather bold move to make them more human rather than the elephantine creatures hinted at in Alien and one that worked brilliantly, they were brillinatly designed and their human like features with their god like bodies perfectly complemented the god/evolution story arc.
The squid hugger - Not so bad when surgically removed from Shaw but when matured this is by far the worst creature design I have seen for a long time. More akin to something I'd expect to see in the likes of Deep Rising than something that belongs in the Alien universe. Being used to seeing actors play the creatures in this universe (the xenomorph and later the engineers) the CGI heavy squidhugger just didn't fit. And tentacles please someone tell me I dreamt that bit.
The Xeno-prototype - I didn't want to use that phrase as I don't like to think of it as a precursor to the original xenomorph. But I like even less the Pure-Xeno term that has also been used. I refuse to see this as the early evolutionary ancestor to the Xenomorph that we have all come to know an love. That said I really didn't mind the design of the creature. Yes it wasn't without it's flaws but compared to the squidhugger this design was near perfection. We've seen hybrid xeno's before with the runner/dog/ox alien and the god awful newborn and pred-alien designs. So it didn't bother me that this creature had traits of the xeno but was not one as we've come to no it. The original xeno's have varied reproductive techniques and vary in traits that they display, so perhaps if their origins lie in the mystical black goo this could explain why as this product too seems to hold very versatile qualities.

Summary
Whilst an intriguing film there are just too many plot holes for my liking. Such as how were the star charts on the walls around the earth in the first place considering the only person who could have directed anyone to them died so that life could be created? Was the life being created all life on earth, just vertebrates and/or mammals or just humans? And what exactly was the black goo other than a deus ex machina device to introduce various plots? I didn't mind at all the majority of plot holes but these few and a couple more really bothered me. Don't get me wrong this wasn't a bad film by any means, I like a film that gets you thinking rather than being told exactly what is happening. And I fully expected this film not to be a good as I hoped - a mixture of too much hype and films very rarely being anywhere near as good as the original film to which it is related. The main failing poin on this movie though was the writters/directors/producers couldn't make up their mind if they wanted an independant sci-fi or a prequel to Alien so went for somewhere in the middle, they should have definatly made up their mind one way or the other and teh film would have undoubtedly been alot better for it.

A good film that becomes a very good film the more you analyse it, and I assume (hopefully to soon find out) after a second viewing. Overall a 7/10.
I'll finish with this: Alien was a B-movie that's legacy turned it into an A-movie, I fear Prometheus is an A-movie that's legacy will become a B-movie.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Hubbs on Jun 03, 2012, 09:14:31 PM
Prometheus

Spoiler Warning!

Right from the offset I must point out that I do not understand why people are saying this film isn't really a prequel to the classic 'Alien', let me put the record straight here and tell you all that this film is very much a prequel to 'Alien' in every sense. I have read numerous accounts of how Alien fans should go in with their expectations lowered as they will not see the film they want, epically incorrect.

The story is everything you could want for the prequel and has numerous hints and homages to the first three Alien films and even 'AvP'.

As with the original classic the story unfolds with some typically beautiful interior spacecraft work from Scott as the crew awaken from their deep sleep. Scott clearly tries to recreate the same opening from 'Alien' with this new crew and he does make it look good but it still can't compare to the original. I realise its a different kind of ship to the Nostromo but I just preferred the gritty, dirty, grimy sweat inducing environment of the original, you could almost taste it.

The plot in general is very similar to how things develop in 'AvP' but that may be a simple coincidence. The Prometheus lands on 'LV-223' with the same kind of camera/model shots exactly as the Nostromo did on 'LV-426', the crew then disembark and explore the ancient alien tomb in virtually the same way as the Marines from the 'Sulaco' (minus the hardass act).
We see corridors reminiscent of the hive corridors in the bowels of the nuclear-powered atmosphere processing station in 'Aliens', of course we see the main chamber with the big head (we all know what that looks like) and then of course within about 30min of the film starting we see holograms of the 'space jockeys' or as they are known now...the 'engineers'.

As things get heated up the crew must evac the tomb and you hear the cry 'David we are leaving!' which as you all should know is the line 'Hicks' uses in 'Aliens'...'Drake we are leaving!'. Later on the film we see our heroine having to remove an unusual foetus from inside herself which harks back to 'Alien 3' story lines, acid in the face moments, there is evidence of an overgrown facehugger type creature towards the end and then you have all the 'engineer' plot hints that give clues to 'Alien', its very satisfying.

Visually the film is a fudging masterpiece as you would expect from Scott. Everything looks gorgeous and so real it could actually work, the ships (the Prometheus looks beautiful with her roaring blue/white glowing engines) , the equipment, the outfits and the sets are all stunning, epic in stature and perfect in reality.
The effects are also excellent and handled with ease. At first I was disappointed in the reveal that the engineers were in fact ancient humans (exact DNA match), that's a hard pill to swallow, but the design of the face is simple yet so damn good. They actually look very intimidating with their big black eyes and strong body frames, the suits they wear still look really quite eerie but solid and the famous 'space jockey' features are well Incorporated after all these years, it works tremendously well.

Cast wise I must confess to being a little disappointed after all the hype. Don't get me wrong the film is not ruined by lack of effort but Fassbender really is the only decent performance on show here. His clear, calm, smooth demeanor is as suspicious as it is comforting, quite unnerving at times but his appearance and manner did bring thoughts of Kubrick's '2001' (the opening sequence of him and the empty ship whilst he has obviously been monitoring the crew in a 'Hal' like fashion).

Other casting I didn't really take a shine to. It was always going to be hard to use a female lead (again) as the hero and not have her compared to 'Ripley'. I think this was a mistake by Scott trying to recapture previous glory when it wasn't required, I also found her annoying, dunno why. Theron was miscast for me as she just doesn't fit this type of film in my eyes, Elba I think is an actor of the moment and cast for his popularity in previous films hoping to transfer it to this one (common mistake) and Logan Marshall-Green I just didn't like a tall, something about his looks. Surprise hit for me was Sean Harris as 'Fifield', his character may have been total cliche, predictable and unoriginal but his rebellious appearance and nervous disposition is always a smile raiser ('Hudson').

Of course there are issues with the film that many have already mentioned, its not perfect. I was able to follow the plot for most of the film no problem but there are still unanswered questions revolving around the black goo, 'David's' intentions using the black goo, where the eel things actually come from in the first place and mainly how does an 'engineer' ship crash on 'LV-426' in 'Alien', still don't know!
If you ask me it does seem that those eel creatures lived on that particular planet before the 'engineers' got there and they just happened to cause grief, but how the black goo caused Rapace's character to get pregnant with an eel alien I don't know.

The other thing that bugged me was the fact the technology in this prequel seemed infinitely better than the original, shouldn't it be the other way around? There was also the fact that half the crew were excess, simply along for the ride to be killed off, a bit weak that Mr Scott.

So with some minor-ish questions aside I can confidentally say this film is an achievement for Scott and his crews. Yes the film stands as a good sci-fi film on its own but it also should please Alien fans as there is plenty to get your teeth into, just don't expect any actual recognisable xenomorphs this time round.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Gash on Jun 03, 2012, 09:33:20 PM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 03, 2012, 09:14:31 PM
Prometheus

Spoiler
Spoiler Warning!
If you ask me it does seem that those eel creatures lived on that particular planet before the 'engineers' got there and they just happened to cause grief, but how the black goo caused Rapace's character to get pregnant with an eel alien I don't know.
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Spoiler
The eels were the worms/grubs in the soil of the ampule room, mutated by the goo.

Shaw became pregnant after she had sex with an infected Holloway. She is basically a facehugger incubator as was Dallas, but fortunately she had a womb and wasn't face raped so she had a (painful) way out.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Hubbs on Jun 03, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
^ Yes but 'Holloway' only drank some black goo and it made him ill, so how did that cause a facehugger to grow within Rapace's character after sex? she only had contact with 'Holloway' who only drank the goo, neither had contact with any creatures, the goo is able to create aliens from nothing?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 03, 2012, 09:44:36 PM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 03, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
^ Yes but 'Holloway' only drank some black goo and it made him ill, so how did that cause a facehugger to grow within Rapace's character after sex?

Because Scott/Lindelof, that's why.

It really is as simple as that. Not necessarily a bad thing, but Lindelof likes going down the road of raising questions for the hell of it and Scott just likes to be artistic for the hell of it. That's what you get with that sort of creative dynamic.

Scientific plausibility isn't generally a concern in a Ridley Scott film, just so long as Plot Device X does what he wants. The same applies to people like Joss Whedon, too.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Hubbs on Jun 03, 2012, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 03, 2012, 09:44:36 PM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 03, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
^ Yes but 'Holloway' only drank some black goo and it made him ill, so how did that cause a facehugger to grow within Rapace's character after sex?

Because Scott/Lindelof, that's why.

It really is as simple as that. Not necessarily a bad thing, but Lindelof likes going down the road of raising questions for the hell of it and Scott just likes to be artistic for the hell of it. That's what you get with that sort of creative dynamic.

Scientific plausibility isn't generally a concern in a Ridley Scott film, just so long as Plot Device X does what he wants. The same applies to people like Joss Whedon, too.

But that causes an important gap in the life cycle haha
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 03, 2012, 10:06:46 PM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 03, 2012, 09:55:14 PM
But that causes an important gap in the life cycle haha

I really don't think they care, to be honest. A bit tragic, but there you go.

If they did, they would've taken the opportunity to run with it in this one.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Gash on Jun 03, 2012, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 03, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
^ Yes but 'Holloway' only drank some black goo and it made him ill, so how did that cause a facehugger to grow within Rapace's character after sex? she only had contact with 'Holloway' who only drank the goo, neither had contact with any creatures, the goo is able to create aliens from nothing?

I take it that the goo is a catalyst for mutation, as in the opening scene. So Holloway has been altered, therefore his sperm is alien.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 03, 2012, 10:48:33 PM
Quote from: Gash on Jun 03, 2012, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 03, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
^ Yes but 'Holloway' only drank some black goo and it made him ill, so how did that cause a facehugger to grow within Rapace's character after sex? she only had contact with 'Holloway' who only drank the goo, neither had contact with any creatures, the goo is able to create aliens from nothing?

I take it that the goo is a catalyst for mutation, as in the opening scene. So Holloway has been altered, therefore his sperm is alien.
I think that's correct. There is no alien life cycle at this stage, other than a bit of chaos theory mixed in with a substance that can alter organic material. "Life finds a way"...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Esoteric_Voyage on Jun 03, 2012, 11:59:10 PM
just got back from seeing prometheus here in the uk Tonight.

i'm going to avoid any major spoilers, but i don't take responsibility for mentioning things that hint at spoilers.

if you don't want to risk this, please don't read my review.


on with what will be a brief review for now:

Prometheus.

whats the verdict?

its hard to give a direct verdict because my verdict differs based on two things: judging it as a film by its self, and judging it against the very original film that spawned it.

as a film by its self, i enjoyed the film, i'd give it a weak 7 out of 10.

the 3D experience was excellent, the cinematography was pretty good, particularly wide exterior shots.  soundtrack was good also.

script? i wasn't pleased with the script as much. i am fussy with scripts but i like scripts that feel more 'real' and inside the story and the characters itself. i don't like scripts that directly 'work' the audience with humour or anything.

i will say that i feel this film, Prometheus, has been overshadowed by the present era's expectations for humour and entertainment. which is a shame, because many parts of the film maintain the epic scope and novelty of the story while other parts made me feel it was in the same league as transformers with its blatant obvious lines and scripting designed to be humorous with the audience rather than between the characters themselves. all in all, it is no where near in the same calibre as ALIEN, and to be honest, ALIENS overall, has a better script for the same reason.

acting.

acting was pretty good, i can only really judge this based on multiple viewings, but i didn't see any problems with ability here in the acting, i think just the script and screen play of the film let it down.


How does it measure up to the original franchise?

well, its better than alien resurrection.

its not in the same league as ALIEN/ALIENS, its also not in quite the same genre, which is fine, i like its choice and its direction.

however, at best its arguably better than ALIEN 3 or as good, but in my opinion, it ISN'T better than alien 3.

its made me appreciate alien 3 a little more.

i really liked the design of the engineers, im not sure if i like them as part of explaining the original films mystery but in and of its self, separately, i thought it was very nice design.



Prometheus really does well in some departments :

its done a great job of inventing a new series within our beloved universe. its very much its own film.

i was surprises to see some hints and montage to ALIENS. its not a sci-fi action, or a sci-fi horror, this film is kind of the 'fight club' of the alien franchise. its a head twist.

at the end of the film, there is no clear explanation for anything, everything is out in the open and a mysterious puzzle that you are left thinking about when leaving the cinema.  as i write this i can't wait to discuss what i have watched with the others who have also seen it, there is ALOT to talk about and discuss/theorise.

spoiler warning here......... below is a gentle spoiler of sorts -

this film does not explain or show anything to do with the particular alien derelict that was discovered on lv426 in ALIEN. it does not explain what came out of the engineer in the original ALIEN.

spoiler over...



Prometheus is box filled with new ideas, knowledge, and questions! but you are left poking at answers, none are given in this film!




Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: r888 on Jun 04, 2012, 01:55:31 AM
damn everyone in the uk is lucky only 3 more days for me  :'(
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on Jun 04, 2012, 02:22:05 AM
I was very excited to finally see this movie that I've been following since the first announcement of it's production, almost 2 years ago.

Being a big fan of Alien (Ridley Scott), Aliens (James Cameron) and the art/ decoration designs from HR. Giger, Prometheus gave me the nostalgic chills on some parts of the movie that made me feel like I was watching the original Alien film and that's a good thing. The bad thing for some BUT not for everyone, however, is that you'll leave the theater with a stomach full of unsolved questions (typical a Ridley Scott thing, remember Blade Runner) and a film that needed more like 180 minutes instead of 120. It feels in a way that it was made in a rush.

The theme of the story, is an exciting one and surpasses almost any sci-fi flicks from Spielberg, George Lucas and other directors and writers. Not the regular war between humans and aliens... Searching after the origins of the human being. I think that's a great story to think about.

Prometheus starts off with some beautiful camera footage of landscapes on earth and arrives to a scene that explains the beginning of the human being, how it all started, at least that's what I think the writers wanted to make us believe. But there are no further explanations that confirms if the viewer is either right or wrong and it's something that happens quite often over the whole experience. This can be enjoyable for some and less enjoyable for others.

Some questions remain unanswered like,

1.Why did David his "own" experiment or his own science on Holloway was he more intelligent then we think? Was it his experiment or had he received instructions from someone beyond Peter Weyland? Had David tears in his eyes at a certain point in the movie? Did he had emotions?

2.What's the relation between Vickers and David?

3.Vickers, robot or not? If she was a robot, is she really dead/ destroyed?

4.At a certain point we saw the giants (as holograms) run for their lives, from what? What happened? The giants created life on earth but why were they at war with the humans?

5.The alien that was removed out of Shaw's body, was it destroyed after wards or did it grow into the big octopus that kills the giant (where a new species of Alien comes out of its stomach) at the end of the movie?

6.What the hell happened with Fifield? How come he turned into a monster with enormous powers? If Holloway wasn't killed by the flamethrower, would he've been turned into the same monster as Fifield?

The biggest flaw of the movie is when Shaw gives an order to the captain (Janek) to destroy the giant's ship and where Janek decides to kill the rest of the crew with Prometheus in less than 30 seconds. "Oops, there goes the trillion dollars investment and 2 friends of mine."

Another flaw, the story behind each character.

What I liked, the whole setting, the environment, the atmosphere of the outer space and the planet, the death of space, HR Giger, the theme and main plan for the story. The climate of the planet, the storm, was very exciting and very original.

Some things that made the film a little retarded and could've been hold behind, the flute that was used in the giant's ship and Janek's accordion were totally unnecessary. The soundtrack wasn't that great either. How come they got better high tech equipment than in Alien?

Ridley Scott delivers a could've been classic film but I'm hungry for more and I really hope for more. And please Mr. Scott, take your time for the sequel! We need some information about lots of stuff!

8,5/10.

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: First Blood on Jun 04, 2012, 02:26:01 AM
So Janek willingly crashes the ship into the Jockey ship and kills himself along with the rest of the crew?

Nice guy. :P
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 04, 2012, 02:28:11 AM
Forgot all about the Engineers using a flute. Leave that sort of stuff to Spielberg, eh.

Quote from: First Blood on Jun 04, 2012, 02:26:01 AM
So Janek willingly crashes the ship into the Jockey ship and kills himself along with the rest of the crew?

Nice guy. :P
They don't mind at all. They go, "Oh Cap'n you suck at flying!" and decide to martyr themselves. Since they're non-entities throughout the film it doesn't really matter
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Hubbs on Jun 04, 2012, 02:52:01 AM
Questions will hopefully be answered in the Bluray commentary :)

I forgot all about the flute bit, what was that about?

I must admit the 'turning' of 'Fifield' into a rage zombie is strange seeing as 'Holloway' didn't turn, I also thought 'Vickers' was being a bit harsh with that flamethrower, talk about over reaction.

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Jun 04, 2012, 03:17:10 AM
Watching the film, I couldn't help but notice how the film is mainly made up of unused, scraped & original concepts from Alien.  From Dan's original draft, concepts from multiple Hill & Giler re-writes, cast, crew and fan theories ideas and things, from set pieces to story, Ridley Scott was unable to achieve back in 1979.  Flat screens and holograms, for example.  I personally found Prometheus very predictable.  Plus side, seeing Noomi Papace in 3D  ;D
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 04, 2012, 03:20:18 AM
Would anyone here rank David up there with Roy Batty or any of the replicants from Blade Runner?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 04, 2012, 03:20:55 AM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 04, 2012, 02:52:01 AM
Questions will hopefully be answered in the Bluray commentary :)

I forgot all about the flute bit, what was that about?

I must admit the 'turning' of 'Fifield' into a rage zombie is strange seeing as 'Holloway' didn't turn, I also thought 'Vickers' was being a bit harsh with that flamethrower, talk about over reaction.

Guys there are questions answered in the film and a lot that you have stated here are answered. Holloway and fifield mutated differently because they came into contact with the black goo in different ways. Holloway consumed it and fifield didn't he just had external contact  the same thing happend with the sacrifice jockey at the start he consumed the black goo, like holloway,and then died, like holloway would have. The worms had external contact, like fifield, and the mutated like fifield.


Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 04, 2012, 03:20:18 AM
Would anyone here rank David up there with Roy Batty or any of the replicants from Blade Runner?

Yep he's very similar, always liked the idea that alien and blade runner were part of the same universe
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 04, 2012, 03:26:31 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 04, 2012, 03:20:55 AM
Guys there are questions answered in the film and a lot that you have stated here are answered. Holloway and fifield mutated differently because they came into contact with the black goo in different ways. Holloway consumed it and fifield didn't he just had external contact  the same thing happend with the sacrifice jockey at the start he consumed the black goo, like holloway,and then died, like holloway would have. The worms had external contact, like fifield, and the mutated like fifield.

Biochemical contamination generally doesn't work like that. Once it's in your system, then it does what it does.

It's more likely to do with the dosage level of whatever was ingested.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 04, 2012, 03:32:30 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 04, 2012, 03:26:31 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 04, 2012, 03:20:55 AM
Guys there are questions answered in the film and a lot that you have stated here are answered. Holloway and fifield mutated differently because they came into contact with the black goo in different ways. Holloway consumed it and fifield didn't he just had external contact  the same thing happend with the sacrifice jockey at the start he consumed the black goo, like holloway,and then died, like holloway would have. The worms had external contact, like fifield, and the mutated like fifield.

Biochemical contamination generally doesn't work like that. Once it's in your system, then it does what it does.

It's more likely to do with the dosage level of whatever was ingested.

That's true for reality but not sci-fi. This black goo can't be rationalised by what we know from our medicine. I think the way I had explained it makes much more sense within the movie however the dosage is important. Holloways evisceration takes much longer than the sacrificial engineers because he has less.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Hubbs on Jun 04, 2012, 03:48:28 AM
But 'Fifield' did ingest it I thought, his helmet melted, cracked and the suction of his breathing made it cover his face but also ingest?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: hfeldhaus on Jun 04, 2012, 03:59:02 AM
It's too hard to tell what happened as its cut short. I thought it just burnt onto his faces and disfigured him
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Ballzanya on Jun 04, 2012, 04:13:44 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 04, 2012, 02:28:11 AM
Forgot all about the Engineers using a flute. Leave that sort of stuff to Spielberg, eh.

Quote from: First Blood on Jun 04, 2012, 02:26:01 AM
So Janek willingly crashes the ship into the Jockey ship and kills himself along with the rest of the crew?

Nice guy. :P
They don't mind at all. They go, "Oh Cap'n you suck at flying!" and decide to martyr themselves. Since they're non-entities throughout the film it doesn't really matter

using a flute? what? Unless that's some sort of nod to Egyptian mythology, where some god endlessly destroys and creates by playing a flute, this makes no sense.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Hubbs on Jun 04, 2012, 04:29:02 AM
The flute bit is merely seconds long, can't recall now, seems to summon something or engage something I think.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 04, 2012, 04:32:09 AM
They use the flute to turn on the technology surrounding the seat; the control panel. David sees an Engineer hologram do this and mimics it.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 04, 2012, 05:31:28 AM
Seems to me it's a deeper plot element, one of the precious few we get.

Of coure y'aint gonna git it.

:laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 04, 2012, 05:33:43 AM
i was dissapointed it sounded like, you know, a flute. it should have made the same noise as the cut transmission in Alien. that would've been cool...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 04, 2012, 05:53:17 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 04, 2012, 03:32:30 AM
That's true for reality but not sci-fi. This black goo can't be rationalised by what we know from our medicine. I think the way I had explained it makes much more sense within the movie however the dosage is important. Holloways evisceration takes much longer than the sacrificial engineers because he has less.

Science Fiction does not mean do whatever you want. At the very least it stands for "establish the rules, and then play around within the context of those rules."

Science Fiction is not, fantasy. Fantasy is fantasy. The reason it's called science is because science should, and in the best of cases does play into it on some level. Otherwise we might as well just call this goo what it really is.

Magic Juice.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 04, 2012, 05:53:37 AM
Wut.  that was terrifying.

flute, y u make dat noise?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 04, 2012, 07:57:28 AM
Here's my problem with the "mystery" and "questions" raised in Prometheus. Feel free to disagree, but this is how I feel.

There's nothing wrong with unanswered questions or mystery in movies, as long as they're not at the centre of the story.

Take Alien - there is the unanswered question of the derelict and the space jockey, but the story is focussed around the Nostromo crew and their fate, so the these questions have no direct bearing on the characters or the action that follows; the growth of the Alien is central and the Space Jockey is a tiny little tangential question.

In Prometheus, however, all the mystery has been pushed to the centre of the story. All of the characters' and the action revolve around unanswered questions, which ends up being profoundly unsatisfying to some audience members. It is - I think - deeply frustrating not to be able to grasp the motivation of a screen character, even by the end of the movie, because it is 'shrouded in mystery'. What you sense, as an audience member, is that the writer has no clue. And the idea that one would need to trawl through hours of extras or commentary on a disc released months later, just to understand what the film was about, defies logic.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 04, 2012, 08:02:13 AM
Either its' Riddles trying to pull off the biggest 2-movie unexpected push in history...

Or... we're all f**ked.

A movie, even with mysteries, has to be able to stand on its own.

Thank Deuterium for dat bit of knowledge. :laugh:

If the movie can't support its own weight, you ditch it.  That's what's supposed to happen.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: robertmartin on Jun 04, 2012, 09:17:33 AM
The more i think about this movie - the more it felt like a Star Trek film. Even down to the smooth landing, shuttlebay and uniforms.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Despicable Dugong on Jun 04, 2012, 09:22:57 AM
I watched it last night and have reflected upon it before coming online to post my thoughts.

I for one was disappointed by the film. I knew going into it that the film would never live up to the rabid expectations of the legions of fanbois, i'd learned that the hard way with Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, so I went into this only wanting to see a well thought out and well acted science fiction film. Unfortunately even that lowly expectation appears to have been too vaunted.

Poor characterisation and development, dubious casting, clunky dialogue, a hole ridden plot. The score was way out of kilter with the on screen goings on, it just didn't fit well and jarred. The script, well, the least said about the script the better, the writers dropped the ball in a major way, sometimes it was merely baffling, other times laughable.

The one saving grace was Fassbender's performance. That was the only positive for me.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 04, 2012, 09:26:28 AM
DAT FASSBENDER...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 04, 2012, 09:38:44 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jun 04, 2012, 09:26:28 AM
DAT ASSBENDER...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 04, 2012, 09:48:23 AM
You love it, JayDee!

You love it!!!!

Don't you come crying to me when you do, and have nowhere to go but Mastermoon.

don't you dare...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 04, 2012, 09:55:44 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jun 04, 2012, 09:48:23 AM
You love it, JayDee!

You love it!!!!

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg694.imageshack.us%2Fimg694%2F1195%2Ft34t545y.jpg&hash=1730d675f4771780bd9cdc4450bda4e48b4f2277)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 04, 2012, 09:57:43 AM
I Just love you. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Aw... aw f**k!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 04, 2012, 10:43:14 AM
Who says a movie has to stand on its own? Who puts regulations on what's acceptable art? We think a film should stand on its own because that the conformity we are taught. That said, I might end up not liking Prometheus after all, which is disappointing but fine :(
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: steviemac on Jun 04, 2012, 10:52:32 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 04, 2012, 07:57:28 AM
Here's my problem with the "mystery" and "questions" raised in Prometheus. Feel free to disagree, but this is how I feel.

There's nothing wrong with unanswered questions or mystery in movies, as long as they're not at the centre of the story.

Take Alien - there is the unanswered question of the derelict and the space jockey, but the story is focussed around the Nostromo crew and their fate, so the these questions have no direct bearing on the characters or the action that follows; the growth of the Alien is central and the Space Jockey is a tiny little tangential question.

In Prometheus, however, all the mystery has been pushed to the centre of the story. All of the characters' and the action revolve around unanswered questions, which ends up being profoundly unsatisfying to some audience members. It is - I think - deeply frustrating not to be able to grasp the motivation of a screen character, even by the end of the movie, because it is 'shrouded in mystery'. What you sense, as an audience member, is that the writer has no clue. And the idea that one would need to trawl through hours of extras or commentary on a disc released months later, just to understand what the film was about, defies logic.

Completely agree with this.

Only thing we know for sure is that the engineers seeded life on earth.
And they have a few space ships / underground bases. And they dont take too kindly to being woken up.
Other than that though, we know absolutely nothing. Anything else will have to be speculated on.

It also appears theyve headed out there, all that way from Earth, based on the cave paintings found.
Seems a big effort based on not very much info. A bit strange when you consider the type of guy Peter eyland is meant to be.
What i would assume is that they actually knew more (not got a clue how) and had some idea what they would come across.
However, again there is absolutely zero in the film to show that.

We actually know pretty much nothing about what is going on here, and for a stand alone movie that causes a big problem.
We dont know if theres gonna be a sequel, and if there is, it wont be around for a few years at least.
During which time we'll need to listen to all manner of speculation on whats going on, most of which will come from people's overactive brains.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 04, 2012, 10:54:00 AM
No, man.

Listen, look, you pay your money, they take your money.  The shit aint free.  if it were free, we could all say "f**k all" and th one would care.

They depend on your input, on your feedback, your ticket purchase, your expectation, your belief, etc...

It's all up to you, bro.  Do you have the courage to do what you feel is right?  That's what makes good film feedback, when the audience can say what they feel...

If you want them to just make AvPs, throw-away movies with NO ART, with no risk and no creation and no power, you go ahead and let them know, but most of us man... we want something like Alien, we want purity, we want art... f**k.

Who says Prom is that bad?  A great effort, great effort in these dismal times... it's a hard time to make a film, lads.  Let's acknowledge.. jesus... a hard time indeed.

Let us suport what is good, and be thankful.  But keep the dream alive, goddamnit.  It's not all-or-nothing.  Even with this near-miss Prometheus, the goddamned dream lives in me.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 04, 2012, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 04, 2012, 07:57:28 AM
Here's my problem with the "mystery" and "questions" raised in Prometheus. Feel free to disagree, but this is how I feel.

There's nothing wrong with unanswered questions or mystery in movies, as long as they're not at the centre of the story.

Take Alien - there is the unanswered question of the derelict and the space jockey, but the story is focussed around the Nostromo crew and their fate, so the these questions have no direct bearing on the characters or the action that follows; the growth of the Alien is central and the Space Jockey is a tiny little tangential question.

In Prometheus, however, all the mystery has been pushed to the centre of the story. All of the characters' and the action revolve around unanswered questions, which ends up being profoundly unsatisfying to some audience members. It is - I think - deeply frustrating not to be able to grasp the motivation of a screen character, even by the end of the movie, because it is 'shrouded in mystery'. What you sense, as an audience member, is that the writer has no clue. And the idea that one would need to trawl through hours of extras or commentary on a disc released months later, just to understand what the film was about, defies logic.
I of course would agree that one shouldn't have to look through special features of a DVD to understand the plot or certain plot points. However, I think Alien was a movie with the same amount of un-answered questions... one could argue even more so given the routine nature of its very basic premise. You mention the whole derelict and SJ... which is simply a story mechanism to find the alien and get it on board the spaceship - that's fine. But what about the other key element of the entire plot i.e. the companies involvement? Did they know about the derelict/SJ? Why did the company feel the need to fill the position of the science officer with an android? Given that they placed Ash on board, with a hidden agenda, why not simply send a properly equipped team in the first place? That surely would have been more logical...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: steviemac on Jun 04, 2012, 11:17:39 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 04, 2012, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 04, 2012, 07:57:28 AM
Here's my problem with the "mystery" and "questions" raised in Prometheus. Feel free to disagree, but this is how I feel.

There's nothing wrong with unanswered questions or mystery in movies, as long as they're not at the centre of the story.

Take Alien - there is the unanswered question of the derelict and the space jockey, but the story is focussed around the Nostromo crew and their fate, so the these questions have no direct bearing on the characters or the action that follows; the growth of the Alien is central and the Space Jockey is a tiny little tangential question.

In Prometheus, however, all the mystery has been pushed to the centre of the story. All of the characters' and the action revolve around unanswered questions, which ends up being profoundly unsatisfying to some audience members. It is - I think - deeply frustrating not to be able to grasp the motivation of a screen character, even by the end of the movie, because it is 'shrouded in mystery'. What you sense, as an audience member, is that the writer has no clue. And the idea that one would need to trawl through hours of extras or commentary on a disc released months later, just to understand what the film was about, defies logic.
I of course would agree that one shouldn't have to look through special features of a DVD to understand the plot or certain plot points. However, I think Alien was a movie with the same amount of un-answered questions... one could argue even more so given the routine nature of its very basic premise. You mention the whole derelict and SJ... which is simply a story mechanism to find the alien and get it on board the spaceship - that's fine. But what about the other key element of the entire plot i.e. the companies involvement? Did they know about the derelict/SJ? Why did the company feel the need to fill the position of the science officer with an android? Given that they placed Ash on board, with a hidden agenda, why not simply send a properly equipped team in the first place? That surely would have been more logical...

Alien was more of an introduction though. Sure we had questions, but they came up based on what we saw in the film.
We went into Prometheus though with a whole host of questions, some of which were answered pretty loosely, and left it with even more questions. I again appreciate theres always gonna be questions needing answered, just think theres far too many here.
I know it would be difficult to do, but some sort of attempt at why the engineers seeded Earth would have been a start, possibly leading into what and why they were planning on doing on Earth following their return.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: stemot on Jun 04, 2012, 01:26:40 PM
CBA doing a proper review. Took a while to get over the fact that there was only a little bit I hadn't seen from trailers or reading spoilers on here but after sleeping on it I realised that I really enjoyed it and like that they didn't explain too much so the fan base can do what they like to do with any Alien movie and try to unravel things for themselves.
I thought the ending with
Spoiler
The Protohugger and Alien
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was well done too.
Overall really enjoyed it but even if I hadn't that first scene against the waterfall in 3D was worth the admission price alone. Amazing.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 04, 2012, 02:26:25 PM
Quote from: steviemac on Jun 04, 2012, 11:17:39 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 04, 2012, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 04, 2012, 07:57:28 AM
Here's my problem with the "mystery" and "questions" raised in Prometheus. Feel free to disagree, but this is how I feel.

There's nothing wrong with unanswered questions or mystery in movies, as long as they're not at the centre of the story.

Take Alien - there is the unanswered question of the derelict and the space jockey, but the story is focussed around the Nostromo crew and their fate, so the these questions have no direct bearing on the characters or the action that follows; the growth of the Alien is central and the Space Jockey is a tiny little tangential question.

In Prometheus, however, all the mystery has been pushed to the centre of the story. All of the characters' and the action revolve around unanswered questions, which ends up being profoundly unsatisfying to some audience members. It is - I think - deeply frustrating not to be able to grasp the motivation of a screen character, even by the end of the movie, because it is 'shrouded in mystery'. What you sense, as an audience member, is that the writer has no clue. And the idea that one would need to trawl through hours of extras or commentary on a disc released months later, just to understand what the film was about, defies logic.
I of course would agree that one shouldn't have to look through special features of a DVD to understand the plot or certain plot points. However, I think Alien was a movie with the same amount of un-answered questions... one could argue even more so given the routine nature of its very basic premise. You mention the whole derelict and SJ... which is simply a story mechanism to find the alien and get it on board the spaceship - that's fine. But what about the other key element of the entire plot i.e. the companies involvement? Did they know about the derelict/SJ? Why did the company feel the need to fill the position of the science officer with an android? Given that they placed Ash on board, with a hidden agenda, why not simply send a properly equipped team in the first place? That surely would have been more logical...

Alien was more of an introduction though. Sure we had questions, but they came up based on what we saw in the film.
We went into Prometheus though with a whole host of questions, some of which were answered pretty loosely, and left it with even more questions. I again appreciate theres always gonna be questions needing answered, just think theres far too many here.
I know it would be difficult to do, but some sort of attempt at why the engineers seeded Earth would have been a start, possibly leading into what and why they were planning on doing on Earth following their return.
I think the movie has some flaws, sure enough... but it having unanswered questions are probably the least relevant/damaging (IMHO)... or perhaps I'm just too forgiving.  ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: PHANTOM on Jun 04, 2012, 02:50:13 PM
What disturbs me the most about some of the reviews I'm quickly glancing at is...

no one really is talking about the creatures? I've been a fan of the Alien franchise because of the beast, the monsters, the real star of the show. From what it sounds like the movie isn't scary at all and the creatures are barely present in the film and didn't get the fans talking.

I was expecting to see the next big creature that was going to wipe the floor of the original xenomorph, the only real logical reason I would think why Ridley took out the f**king xenomorph. You mean to tell me this film is just some dialogue marathon, hippie messages of life, with no real creature scares, adventure and horror? :-\

You mean to tell me we went from dome headed xenomorph who was far from retirement to....

a f**kin Jockey wearing xeno amour playing with a flute? :-[
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 04, 2012, 02:57:30 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Jun 04, 2012, 02:50:13 PM
What disturbs me the most about some of the reviews I'm quickly glancing at is...

no one really is talking about the creatures? I've been a fan of the Alien franchise because of the beast, the monsters, the real star of the show. From what it sounds like the movie isn't scary at all and the creatures are barely present in the film and didn't get the fans talking.

I was expecting to see the next big creature that was going to wipe the floor of the original xenomorph, the only real logical reason I would think why Ridley took out the f**king xenomorph. You mean to tell me this film is just some dialogue marathon, hippie messages of life, with no real creature scares, adventure and horror? :-\

You mean to tell me we went from dome headed xenomorph who was far from retirement to....

a f**kin Jockey wearing xeno amour playing with a flute? :-[
For better or worse, this isn't really a monster movie... There is nothing comparable (in terms of originality/shock value) to the xeno/facehugger/chestburster of the original.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: PHANTOM on Jun 04, 2012, 03:46:09 PM
I'm going to pretend I didn't read these reviews because now that I remember, the fans said the same thing with Predators, it was literally like we all saw a completely different movie and when I saw it I thought it was scary, suspenseful, action packed and left the theater feeling very satisfied.

It's safe to say this is the exact same thing, I'm checking out some of the YouTube reactions so far they are all blown away by the film, saying it's amazing and scary. I believe the difference is, one side goes into the theater wanting to enjoy themselves and the other side is a bunch of extreme nerds who have a very specific taste and are basically negative. In my experience the fans here are extreme, and if it's nothing short but a mathematically perfect film I'll read nothing but bogus negative reviews. Same thing with Predators, fans here hated the film, I personally loved it and thought it was the best Predator movie since the first. That right there speaks volumes of how much different our perspective is while watching a movie.



Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 04, 2012, 03:54:28 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Jun 04, 2012, 03:46:09 PM
I'm going to pretend I didn't read these reviews because now that I remember, the fans said the same thing with Predators, it was literally like we all saw a completely different movie and when I saw it I thought it was scary, suspenseful, action packed and left the theater feeling very satisfied.

It's safe to say this is the exact same thing, I'm checking out some of the YouTube reactions so far they are all blown away by the film, saying it's amazing and scary. I believe the difference is, one side goes into the theater wanting to enjoy themselves and the other side is a bunch of extreme nerds who have a very specific taste and are basically negative. In my experience the fans here are extreme, and if it's nothing short but a mathematically perfect film I'll read nothing but bogus negative reviews. Same thing with Predators, fans here hated the film, I personally loved it and thought it was the best Predator movie since the first. That right there speaks volumes of how much different our perspective is while watching a movie.

We (this specific community) are predisposed to over analyse these particular movies, and therefore probably not the best barometer to gauge the movies flaws and merits. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Jun 04, 2012, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 04, 2012, 03:54:28 PM
We (this specific community) are predisposed to over analyse these particular movies, and therefore probably not the best barometer to gauge the movies flaws and merits. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 04, 2012, 06:03:18 PM
The RT meter is saying that this film is a success. Nuff said...

I could still not like it however....
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 04, 2012, 06:04:34 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 04, 2012, 06:03:18 PM
The RT meter is saying that this film is a success. Nuff said...
Says the same thing about Terminator 3 and the Star Wars prequels.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 04, 2012, 06:07:11 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 04, 2012, 06:03:18 PM
The RT meter is saying that this film is a success. Nuff said...

I could still not like it however....

You know what, I think you will like it.

::)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 04, 2012, 06:11:22 PM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 04, 2012, 06:07:11 PM
You know what, I think you will like it.

::)
No, that's still up in the air! Bethesda has NO expectations whatsoever! ;D
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Winkie Bear on Jun 04, 2012, 06:13:18 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 04, 2012, 06:11:22 PM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 04, 2012, 06:07:11 PM
You know what, I think you will like it.

::)
No, that's still up in the air! Bethesda has NO expectations whatsoever! ;D

:laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Hubbs on Jun 04, 2012, 07:39:50 PM
The 'Engineers' are, in my opinion, brilliant. They are not scary I might add, more eerie but full of mystery. Their look is simple yet amazingly 'alien' in appearance which is in stark contrast to the xenomorph which I think works perfectly.

When the living engineer gets pissed its awesome, you think he's gonna be kind in an 'E.T.' moment then BANG!. His size and build makes you sink in your seat as you worry what on earth he's gonna do, you wouldn't want one these guys on your ass!

I can fully understand the 'Star Trek' remarks, that is one element I didn't really like, the nice clean perfect appearance of everything, very sterile and unused looking. The original 'Alien' film of course was set in a used dirty environment which I think is safe to say everyone liked (much like the classic Star Wars trilogy vs the new Star Wars trilogy). But you have to remember this vessel is a different kind of ship than the 'Nostromo', this is simply a ship for travel, comfort, living and probably exploration.

The 'Nostromo' was a mining ship and of course would have been very dirty, grimy and full of unsightly metal and mechanics. I'm guessing the 'Prometheus' was maybe a new ship, first time in use perhaps and this was her maiden voyage? who knows, maybe we will find out on the DVD.
The one thing that bugged me was the fact the technology on the 'Prometheus' was much more advanced then the 'Nostromo', I think that makes it hard to believe the film is a prequel personally.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 04, 2012, 07:45:31 PM
I know I'm not a cool kid here, being all positive and everything ;) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: 8) ;D
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Prime113 on Jun 04, 2012, 07:48:45 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 04, 2012, 07:45:31 PM
I know I'm not a cool kid here, being all positive and everything ;) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: 8) ;D

I'm right there with you, TBS.  8)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 04, 2012, 07:49:42 PM
Quote from: Hubbs on Jun 04, 2012, 07:39:50 PM
The one thing that bugged me was the fact the technology on the 'Prometheus' was much more advanced then the 'Nostromo', I think that makes it hard to believe the film is a prequel personally.

It petty much all comes down to how we view the future now as opposed to the 70's.  Back then iPads and voice-command touchscreen monitors were the future, which we now have.

Now, it's holograms.

Still, if I would have been in charge of aesthetic I would retrofit the entire ship with clunky monitors running DOS and maybe just a flicker of ancient holograms a la Star Wars OT here and there since the Prometheus is the most advanced.

Spoiler
I still have a hard-on for holograms, personally.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 04, 2012, 07:50:20 PM
Prime, my tender little lamb... Whether I hate this film or not, I hope you enjoy it. <3
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Prime113 on Jun 04, 2012, 07:51:31 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 04, 2012, 07:50:20 PM
Prime, my tender little lamb... Whether I hate this film or not, I hope you enjoy it. <3

Cvalda, my hardcore, brutal as f**k friend...Thank you, and I hope you enjoy it, too.  ;D
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 04, 2012, 07:51:56 PM
Hey Cvalda, like my sig?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 04, 2012, 07:52:34 PM
In a heartbroken kinda way, yeah :P
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Deuterium on Jun 04, 2012, 08:31:43 PM
LOL, love your sig, JaaayDee.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Nightlord on Jun 04, 2012, 11:37:37 PM
Finally went to see this and given the mixed reaction round these here parts just went with someone who knows little of Alien or its sequels to see what they would think of it.
We both walked out of the cinema loving it.
As has been said most of the acting was good but David really stole the show, brilliant performance there.

The first thing he asked me when it was over was "what the hell was that black goo", and I agreed with him that it was silly that it could pull off all kinds of bullshit with no explanation and that is my major gripe with the film followed by the Space jockeys motive or lack of, for wanting to kill humanity.

The proto-alien and facehugger annoyed me just because there was no need for them and I can't see how you could go from them to Egg,Facehugger,Chestburster,Alien since it makes that lifecycle inferior.

Overall the film gave more questions than answers and had better get a sequel to give those answers.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RabidNinja on Jun 05, 2012, 09:08:22 AM
finally saw it in britain and although the film didnt 100% blow me away, it was entertaining. however, i felt like it seemed way too rushed. no sense of character development aside from david, shaw and holloway, some questions we expected to be answered wernt, it just raised more questions and the ending seem wayy too open, which i didnt really expect, but you can tell a sequel is in the works.

Spoiler

one point i do love though was the story, the gore (especially when the snake breaks that guys arm and you actually see the bone pop out, i grinned, shivered and felt like curling up into a ball because of the tension, sounds and scene of it all) and the ending. i mean i never expected anything like it for a protoxeno to be coming up out of nowhere from a giant squid/facehugger.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 05, 2012, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: Nightlord on Jun 04, 2012, 11:37:37 PM

The proto-alien and facehugger annoyed me just because there was no need for them and I can't see how you could go from them to Egg,Facehugger,Chestburster,Alien since it makes that lifecycle inferior.

Overall the film gave more questions than answers and had better get a sequel to give those answers.
I agree - it wasn't needed (well if done in more subtle way perhaps). However, it seemed to me that this version of the lifecycle is inferior as it required the additional stage of Shaw/Holloway having sex and conceiving the facehugger i.e. an additional stage.

Interesting to think what would have happened if Shaw hadn't had the C section. Perhaps if left longer she would have birthed something not dissimilar to the xeno egg rather than live squid thing...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Blacklabel on Jun 05, 2012, 12:44:18 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/) It's currently sitting at an 8.0 score after 13,755 user votes.

Safe to say the casual audience is loving it. :P
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MrLee on Jun 05, 2012, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jun 05, 2012, 12:44:18 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/) It's currently sitting at an 8.0 score after 13,755 user votes.

Safe to say the casual audience is loving it. :P
What a shame, now Ridleys gonna think hes done good when really he needs a kick up his arse.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Plokoon111 on Jun 05, 2012, 05:23:21 PM
Quote from: MrLee on Jun 05, 2012, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jun 05, 2012, 12:44:18 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/) It's currently sitting at an 8.0 score after 13,755 user votes.

Safe to say the casual audience is loving it. :P
What a shame, now Ridleys gonna think hes done good when really he needs a kick up his arse.

^ Says the 10% who hate the film. And not all the fans.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 05, 2012, 07:54:19 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 05, 2012, 09:35:14 AM
Interesting to think what would have happened if Shaw hadn't had the C section. Perhaps if left longer she would have birthed something not dissimilar to the xeno egg rather than live squid thing...

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She only had a few more moments until it would've killed her. At its rate of growth, by the time we see her escape from the room, it would have needed to tear its way out.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 05, 2012, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 05, 2012, 07:54:19 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 05, 2012, 09:35:14 AM
Interesting to think what would have happened if Shaw hadn't had the C section. Perhaps if left longer she would have birthed something not dissimilar to the xeno egg rather than live squid thing...

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She only had a few more moments until it would've killed her. At its rate of growth, by the time we see her escape from the room, it would have needed to tear its way out.
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Possibly... but it didn't look like the baby squid was equipped to burst free a la the chestburster.
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I'm thinking how more interesting it would/could have been if the engineer would have birthed a xeno egg as opposed to proto Alien...
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Gap2NinjaFlip on Jun 05, 2012, 11:42:48 PM
So if Predators taught Humans everything, I'm guessing they gave Engineers the technology to create humans, and maybe stole alien eggs to harvest for themselves. Idk just a random thought, I really liked the movie tho, but the beginning is still puzzling, after the engineer took a (shot of death) and a ship was hovering about 100ft above, I didn't get that.   

Oh and if you haven't seen the movie and don't like spoilers, then don't go reading through a Forum Board DUHHHH!!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: r888 on Jun 06, 2012, 02:04:08 AM
So out of everyone nobody like the ending

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Jun 06, 2012, 02:26:16 AM
Quote from: r888 on Jun 06, 2012, 02:04:08 AM
So out of everyone nobody like the ending

I thought the ending was pure sh*te.  Nearly everyone in the cinema either shook their heads or just sighed when it happened.  Myself included.

Referring back to my comment about how Prometheus is filled with unused ideas and concepts from Alien:

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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/teaser-trailer-20111222/normal_20111222_teasertrailer15.jpg)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/imax-trailer/normal_imaxtrailer006.jpg)

These little sensors we see flying around and mapping the Pyramid complex was something Ridley wanted to do with Alien except he was going to call them 'Mice'

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I wanted to have small flying objects, like sensor's, which flew up and down the corridors.  They would find a problem, stop by a computer bank and fix it like little handymen.  I wanted to call them 'mice'.  At the beginning of the film they would be the only things that were alive on the ship.  We'd have shot a long empty corridor, so you'd hear them coming before you actually saw them.  Then WHOOOSH! It would pass by the camera, going through the corridor.

- Ridley Scott, Fantasic Films Magazine.

So glad they didn't make into Alien.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 06, 2012, 04:30:56 AM
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Jun 06, 2012, 02:26:16 AM
Quote from: r888 on Jun 06, 2012, 02:04:08 AM
So out of everyone nobody like the ending

I thought the ending was pure sh*te.  Nearly everyone in the cinema either shook their heads or just sighed when it happened.  Myself included.

Referring back to my comment about how Prometheus is filled with unused ideas and concepts from Alien:

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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/teaser-trailer-20111222/normal_20111222_teasertrailer15.jpg)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/imax-trailer/normal_imaxtrailer006.jpg)

These little sensors we see flying around and mapping the Pyramid complex was something Ridley wanted to do with Alien except he was going to call them 'Mice'

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I wanted to have small flying objects, like sensor's, which flew up and down the corridors.  They would find a problem, stop by a computer bank and fix it like little handymen.  I wanted to call them 'mice'.  At the beginning of the film they would be the only things that were alive on the ship.  We'd have shot a long empty corridor, so you'd hear them coming before you actually saw them.  Then WHOOOSH! It would pass by the camera, going through the corridor.

- Ridley Scott, Fantasic Films Magazine.

So glad they didn't make into Alien.
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Dude, you have to give me that F.F. interview  :laugh: I have a few reprints but not that one. Ridley seems to be falling back on old ideas - he's resurrecting an old discarded Blade Runner scene for his sequel.
Title: I really liked it
Post by: armageddon on Jun 06, 2012, 06:57:35 AM
I really liked it. I'm a sucker for well-made sci-fi movies and Prometheus clearly delivers on the sci-fi and the well made part.

Is it a game-changer as Alien or Aliens were?

No, by all means but then again, how could it be? I think a lot of fans are disappointed because watching Prometheus for the first time doesn't instill the "wow, I've never seen anything like this before"-feeling many of us had when watching Alien or Aliens for the first time. The last time I felt this was when watching LORT and before that, Empire Strikes Back. There just aren't many movies that manage to impress on such a fundamental level.

That said, I agree with many reviewers who felt that the movie felt rushed with parts missing. I don't really have major issues with the story itself and the movie is really extremely well made. Compared to Alien, I must admit that I probably like Prometheus better.

Might seem like heresy to many but to be honest, Alien is a B-movie with awesome production design and cinematography. I love it but most of that has to do with the fact that is was the first horror movie I ever saw as a kid and that back then, there wasn't anything like it.

I'd rate it 4 out of 5. It's way,way better than any big-budget sci-fi movie I've seen in a long time. I'd actually be hard pressed to name one made in the last 20 years I think would be superior.

I have very high hopes for the extended edition.



Title: PROMETHEUS UNBOUND- my review- Melkor
Post by: melkor on Jun 06, 2012, 07:03:52 AM
Hello All!

My PROEMTHEUS review can be found here...

http://wp.me/p2tPJ3-1 (http://wp.me/p2tPJ3-1)

Your comments are appreciated,

Melkor

Title: Re: PROMETHEUS UNBOUND- my review- Melkor
Post by: armageddon on Jun 06, 2012, 07:30:49 AM
Could not have said it better. Great visuals, good story but too many open questions and some unnecessary idiocies.

Still, I like it a lot.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 10:04:31 AM
Quote from: r888 on Jun 06, 2012, 02:04:08 AM
So out of everyone nobody like the ending

The ending is fine... it's the coda that is somewhat redundant and detracts.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: fakk3 on Jun 06, 2012, 10:13:45 AM
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Vepariga on Jun 06, 2012, 10:28:08 AM
Second time veiwing,I do love the movie.

But direction and editing is what killed it,not the movie we wantd but its enjoyable. Silence and atmosphere is what made ALIEN so terrifying,we see none of that in prometheus.

Even the end scene with the Jockey was so quick that the trailer is pretty much that whole part. I do kinda like the new creatures,if only for the similar traits of ones we love.

The jockeys are awesome,altho abit shafted. they could have explored more of them,but It does retain their mystery somewhat.

The scenes of David
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severed head talking away
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where abit corny,but eh.

Great movie,but not the romp we wished for.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cory on Jun 06, 2012, 11:20:43 AM
Movie just fails in last 30 minutes after Shaw gives birth to squid and we find out that Weyland is alive, then meeting with Engineer, Filfield going crazy and ending scene, too many unanswered questions and plot inconsistencies, weak dialogue (LMG lines are worst one), uninspiring creature designs (Engineer, giant squid, proto-xeno).

Michael Fassbender as David is great, amazing FX, it has that Alien vibe I especially like scenes inside Prometheus (it reminded me of Nostromo).
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jun 06, 2012, 12:04:35 PM
This movie was silly, this movie was just an expensive straight-to-dvd then shown on the SyFy-silly flick.
Seriously.... what a silly story.
Ok, let explain what i found silly in the spoilers.

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1. Taking off the helmets.

I can understand one hothead doing this but the WHOLE team doing it after?
There could a whole mess of stuff in the air that could infect them and such.
What with all this stupidity? Maybe one or two others but everyone?

2. Dave knows EVERYTHING
Two years learning every possible language means that this dude can automatically speak Engineerese and operate their computers and fly their ships..... what? Everyone knows that knowing to speak and read are two different things.
Siiiiilly.

3.The Faifield and Milburn storyline.... ALL OF IT.
A. Getting Lost
So Fairfield lets his dogs out to map the caves but when they decide to go back to the ship but they get lost? How?
You know why this was silly? Because of the later scene when Captain detects another life form and Milburn actually relays coordinates of where EXACTLY they are... How can you get lost when you know where you are so well that you can relay coordinates? It makes NO SENSE!!!!

B. First Contact

We have some random stupid scene that takes the Captain away from his post so we can, OF COURSE, have the next scene with these two where no one is watching them to make sure they are fine. So these two idiots are wondering around the ship lost, yet knowing exactly where they are, and they end up in the Face Room with all those vases spewing juices and some little lizard comes out and they start talking to it like it was some lost puppy...what the hell? The dudes that were freaked out but apparently grew some balls and are now fine with playing around with aliens?

C.What?
Yes... this part is called what because that's basically all i can say.
So Milburn got an alien inside him then it runs away later on when his body is found and then we dont see that thing again....what?
Fairfield appears back on the ship and no one notices until his camera turns back on. Fairfield goes beast mode and kills a bunch of people.... what? What the point in that scene besides killing random faceless people?

These two could have been completely cut out and made out to be just some faceless workers without any damage AT ALL to  the plot.

4. Holloway Storylines...half of them.
A. I dont get to talk to real life Aliens.
This was kinda silly. The dude then goes on a bender because he didnt find real life aliens. They just found an alien ship that they can mess about because of dave, they have their DNA, they even SAW what it looked like and he was moping about. Well, i guess i can excuse that because, hey, there are people that crazy in this world, right? But i didnt like that it was use as the excuse for him getting infected.

B. The classic; Im sick but i am not telling anyone.
You know why this was silly? Cause this scene was just there to have the next couple of scenes which really lead to even MORE silliness. Which scenes? Well the one where he comes back to the ship being fully sick and, OF COURSE, he isnt going to be let on the ship and is going to be killed and the most silly plot of them aaaaaall.

5. ALIEN BABY no one cares about!
In the middle of the Shaw's conversation pumping up her dumbass boyfriend who is sad he didnt see real life aliens she randomly mentions that she cant have kids. This, to me, tremendously came from out of nowhere and couldnt have left a bigger impression on my mind. That impression was of course my bullsh!t plot senses tingling which i ignored at first because this movie couldn't be this silly, right? I was wrong.

So seriously.... everyone found this silly, right? She gets pregnant with DUUUUHHHH an alien baby, she rips it out and then NO ONE MENTIONS EVER AGAIN. WHAT THE FFFFFFFFFF!!!!!! COME ON!!! I almost blew my top with this one. What makes it even worst is that this thing grew to the size of an elephant not even a computer bleep of something going wrong in that medical room? God, man, i think at this point my silly bucket spilled over and i was just laughing at anything that came next. Seriously.

Im going to stop here but there is MORE stuff, im just not going to continue because this was the best and you folks get the idea. The Dream Machine....silly, Shaw and Vickers running in a straight line right under where the ship was falling.... silly. Hell, i think the only thing that was not silly out of this whole thing was the flute operated alien computer.  I mean, they even got Ion engines wrong, but i guess you can say in the future Ion engines are something else? Meh, who cares at this point.

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Seriously... this movie makes Alien Resurrection and AVPR look like masterpieces.
Hell, i think i am going to look at Asylum's version of this movie because that will probably be LESS silly than this thing. And i dont think this is possible to do with movies made from that company but Prometheus is REALLY trying hard.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 06, 2012, 12:04:35 PM
This movie was silly, this movie was just an expensive straight-to-dvd then shown on the SyFy-silly flick.
Seriously.... what a silly story.
Ok, let explain what i found silly in the spoilers.


Just for the fun of it... as an explanation/challenge to your points...

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Point 1) David had already confirmed that the air was breathable. It was safe to take off the helmets.  In reality, would they have done a full labaortory test type study on the compostion of the air inside the temple? Probably – but who wants to see that? Why didn't Dallas just insist on putting Kane back into the freezer? That was probably the best protocal.

Point 2) As already mentioned in a previous post. The Nostromo – an old bucket of rust, had the ability to decipher the signal from the derelict. I don't think it's a stretch to believe that David (a state of the art animated computer) had the ability to learn the basic language. If the plot hadn't made the point of asserting that Earth ancient language was based upon the engineers native tongue – I'd agree with you.

Point 3 A) As mentioned elsewhere. Faifield is a geologist (he loves rocks). He's not a navigator nor cartographer... and whilst I'd agree that it would have benefited from a little exposition as to why they got lost, the fact they got themselves lost isn't unthinkable. By the time they'd re-established contact with the ship, they were already in a position where they couldn't leave the temple.

Point 3 B) The duo, one can assume, are unaware of what the other group encountered in the ampule room. For all they know, the black goo has always been there... and one assumes it may be the furthest point away from what was detected as a life form? However, Milburn is a biologist, despite his Scooby Doo like tendencies to 'run'... so he sees a life form and is naturally intrigued. After all, Kane was intrigued enough to look into an opening alien egg. Who the fu*k would do that???

Point 3 C) The entire hammerpede scene was intended (one would think) to reference Alien and what happened to Kane (or certainly reference the atmosphere of those scenes) and to show that the black goo has the ability to alter the DNA/biology of whatever organic matter that comes into contact with it. As far as Fairfield coming back to the ship. I thought it was actually quite a good scene... and although one could argue that his zombified presence wasn't the main antagonist, so somewhat superfluous, it did have the result of making it clear to the audience that the engineers aren't the benign higher life form they were hoping for.

Point 4 A) I think it's reasonable to assume that both he and Shaw would be disappointed that they found a tomb instead of a living/breathing culture. Clearly Holloway is the more emotional/less scientifically detached of the two... Ergo, feels more disappointed.

Point 4 B) Not sure what you mean??? His urge to be at the forefront of the expedition was greater than his fear/suspicion that he was infected. As soon as he realized it was that serious, he knew the game was over...

Point 5) I'd agree that something's lost here. We can safely assume that they know what's happened re. Shaw's c section – as David refers to it in his conversation with Shaw. But what of course is missing is some command from Vickers/David or Weyland to simply state that Vickers quarters are locked down until they have time to investigate it (because at this point Weyland is eager to meet his makers... so a delay would be understandable).

I'd disagree about Shaw's conversation about not being able to give life... as this is a key theme of the movie. What would you expect? A scene at the start of the movie with her filling in a baby adoption form?
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 06, 2012, 01:04:33 PM
Regarding David and the language, it's obvious that he's learning the language of the people who were exposed to the Engineers. So it follows that there's some correlation between the two.

As for Fifield and Milburn, it does seem silly that they got lost so easily. But wouldn't Shaw and co have noticed that, upon exiting the temple, that all of their vehicles were still there? How did they think Fifield and Milburn got back to the Prometheus? Walked? And yeah, thought it was strangely out of character for them to be freaked out by a Jockey corpse, but then to get all cute with an alien snake.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jun 06, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 12:50:06 PM

Just for the fun of it... as an explanation/challenge to your points...

For the furn of it, let me clear up some things, then.
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Point 1) David had already confirmed that the air was breathable. It was safe to take off the helmets.  In reality, would they have done a full labaortory test type study on the compostion of the air inside the temple? Probably – but who wants to see that? Why didn't Dallas just insist on putting Kane back into the freezer? That was probably the best protocal.

Like i said, it would be fine if one or two people doing it but the whole team was too much. I am not calling for a scene of them testing out out the air particulates or anything like that. What was the purpose of the whole team doing it? A couple of folks walking without the helmets conveys the same as the whole team, correct?

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Point 2) As already mentioned in a previous post. The Nostromo – an old bucket of rust, had the ability to decipher the signal from the derelict. I don't think it's a stretch to believe that David (a state of the art animated computer) had the ability to learn the basic language. If the plot hadn't made the point of asserting that Earth ancient language was based upon the engineers native tongue – I'd agree with you.

If the Space Jocks wanted to keep people out they would have left a simple warning that could be easily decipherable. And the bigger problem that i have is the operating of the computers, like i said, speaking is something totally different than reading. Dave knowing what a button means what ANY button means is pretty much out there, way too out there even for a sci-fi flick. Or at least any film that is being sort of serious.   

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Point 3 A) As mentioned elsewhere. Faifield is a geologist (he loves rocks). He's not a navigator nor cartographer... and whilst I'd agree that it would have benefited from a little exposition as to why they got lost, the fact they got themselves lost isn't unthinkable. By the time they'd re-established contact with the ship, they were already in a position where they couldn't leave the temple.

The problem with this ISNT the characters themselves  but the situation that was setup in the movie. Not only do they have communication with the Prometheus but the Prometheus should be checking on them and has a total readout of what was scanned. So there are several levels of backups if the characters themselves arent paying attention, so what we have here for these characters to get lost is a complete F up on all levels which, for me, is a bit too much to call on. This happening to the Nostromo crew is fine because they are not scientists going somewhere prepared for something like this. For this to happening be to this crew would mean that they are just a whole mess of F ups that shouldnt be out there in the first place.

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Point 3 B) The duo, one can assume, are unaware of what the other group encountered in the ampule room. For all they know, the black goo has always been there... and one assumes it may be the furthest point away from what was detected as a life form? However, Milburn is a biologist, despite his Scooby Doo like tendencies to 'run'... so he sees a life form and is naturally intrigued. After all, Kane was intrigued enough to look into an opening alien egg. Who the fu*k would do that???

Again, what the movie set up for the viewers.
So after the people that stayed ran out of that room no one ever bothered to contact Fif and Mil about not going there?And they wanted to leave because they were freaked when they saw huge alien dead bodies. How does it go from freaked out about aliens to being ok when seeing aliens?

Talking about a missing scene, there should have been a scene that shows Milburn calming down or something. And I dont remember a scene of Kane freaking out at all. 

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Point 3 C) The entire hammerpede scene was intended (one would think) to reference Alien and what happened to Kane (or certainly reference the atmosphere of those scenes) and to show that the black goo has the ability to alter the DNA/biology of whatever organic matter that comes into contact with it.

Dont just put a scene just to make a reference if it isnt actually going to help the story in this flick.
That looses the point of the scene completely.

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As far as Fairfield coming back to the ship. I thought it was actually quite a good scene... and although one could argue that his zombified presence wasn't the main antagonist, so somewhat superfluous, it did have the result of making it clear to the audience that the engineers aren't the benign higher life form they were hoping for.

How does zombie Fif show the engineers arent benign?
From the start of the movie we are shown the black goo is bad and kills stuff, i dont see how showing it again while killing random background character helps the story. All this time should have been spent in figuring out what the goo actually is and what it actually does. Goo is bad has been clearly stated at this point.

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Point 4 A) I think it's reasonable to assume that both he and Shaw would be disappointed that they found a tomb instead of a living/breathing culture. Clearly Holloway is the more emotional/less scientifically detached of the two... Ergo, feels more disappointed.

Yes i did excuse away this at the end but this kind makes the character a bit out there to actually discover all of this yet still be so disappointed that he is going to go on a bender.

QuotePoint 4 B) Not sure what you mean??? His urge to be at the forefront of the expedition was greater than his fear/suspicion that he was infected. As soon as he realized it was that serious, he knew the game was over...

I did say that this was mainly a gateway scene to other silliness. But is still out there that he will endanger the whole thing simply to see something.

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I'd disagree about Shaw's conversation about not being able to give life... as this is a key theme of the movie. What would you expect? A scene at the start of the movie with her filling in a baby adoption form?

I dont think there was a need for it period.
An infected Holloway does it with Shaw and gets an alien baby that is 3 months on even though she wasnt preggers when they left is completely fine. The added level of, "Oh my god! I cant get pregnant!" Doesnt add to the fact that it's an alien baby that is suddenly inside you. 

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See the problem with the movie is that there is so much stuff piled up. I think if this film had half of the silly stuff taken away people would be more forgiving about what was left in because, yes, it is a movie and in movies certain things need to happen. But in this flick..... there is just soooo much stuff that is out there. I dont think you could go 15 minutes in this flick without going HUH? about something. Being shaken out like that in such a constant fashion is what hurts it. 
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
Some responses...

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1) But that would be just confusing for the audiences. Some with helmets on and some without. It wound't serve any purpose other than give you comfort that the entire team aren't so reckless.

2) That's a big assumption to make i.e. a simple warning is more decipherable in a language no one (supposedly) understands. Once the basics of a code/language are understood, the rest usually falls into place... no matter how complex (or so my father has always said – a seasoned proffesor in archaelogy and ancient history). As far as speech versus reading is concerned (I'm assuming you mean that speech is more difficult?), how do we know that David's conversation with the engineer wouldn't have been interpreted as "me David, you big man. We come for pow wow okeyday?" We don't know what level of complexity David could communicate with the engineers, but we do know that he could decipher alien text/instructions etc. - which you agree is easier than the spoken word.


3) But it wasn't like they were all hanging back and chillin'... they we're all rushing back to the ship because of an uber storm. A state of confusion. The captain did pick up on the fact that they were missing... but just too late to help them.


4) I'd agree with you if Milburn was presented as seeking out the 'ping' etc... but they happen on the hammerpede by chance/bad luck.  Once they appear, his fear takes a step back for his proffesional interest.

As for Kane, he didn't freak out... but he was presented as a sensible chap... the 2nd in command. Putting your face into an alien egg is about as sensible as putting your hand into a naked flame... or trying to touch a hammerpede.

5) Not really. It not only references Alien, but we're getting to see what the black goo does to organic matter.  A key piece of information.


6) It's not as if mutated Fierfield is sat on a rock looking at the sky and smoking a spliff. He's clearly turned into an aggressive monster. At this point in the movie, whilst it's obvious the black goo isn't for drinking a la cherry cola, we only have the 2 examples where it's shown to mutate. As many of the critics here are calling for more exposition, I'd posit that this is an example where it didn't need less.



7) Yes i did excuse away this at the end but this kind makes the character a bit out there to actually discover all of this yet still be so disappointed that he is going to go on a bender.  I think just because he states he's willing to do anything/everything, it doesn't mean he would. He clearly wasn't counting on being in utter agony as he mutates into something else. He'd be the first to say it wasn't worth it in the end...

8) No... but it adds weight to the theme of being able to create life. For all Shaw's beliefs/faith, she has been short changed on something the vast majority of women need and desire. I thought it quite powerful (in context of a sci-fi flick).

9) I agree – the movie could lose some stuff and would be better for it. The coda with the proto xeno being the prime example. Although everyone I've seen the movie with (I've been 3 times with about 10 people) we're certainly not going "huh?" every 15 mins.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: 180924609 on Jun 06, 2012, 05:55:28 PM
@DarthVile

Point 1) David had already confirmed that the air was breathable. It was safe to take off the helmets.  In reality, would they have done a full labaortory test type study on the compostion of the air inside the temple? Probably – but who wants to see that? Why didn't Dallas just insist on putting Kane back into the freezer? That was probably the best protocal.

>> The air in Chernobyl is 'breathable'. I wouldn't wish to sample it any time soon though.


Point 2) As already mentioned in a previous post. The Nostromo – an old bucket of rust, had the ability to decipher the signal from the derelict. I don't think it's a stretch to believe that David (a state of the art animated computer) had the ability to learn the basic language. If the plot hadn't made the point of asserting that Earth ancient language was based upon the engineers native tongue – I'd agree with you.

>> David has learned 'the language' through correlation of Earth's historical languages, that are all apparently derived from some 'mother tongue' of the Engineers. Which makes zero sense. They either 'make us whole' like David the android and teach us everything, or they wait eons for mother nature to do the seriously convoluted work and then give us a basic language lesson, and teach us nothing of any value. WTF?

I'm stopping here because...this story no longer has any meaning for me.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: armageddon on Jun 06, 2012, 06:28:24 PM
Allright, just watched it for the second time and I revise my judgement. I loved it. It's agreat movie.

Fassbender is just awesome. "Cup of tea, ma'am?"
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 06:36:26 PM
Quote from: 180924609 on Jun 06, 2012, 05:55:28 PM
@DarthVile

Point 1) David had already confirmed that the air was breathable. It was safe to take off the helmets.  In reality, would they have done a full labaortory test type study on the compostion of the air inside the temple? Probably – but who wants to see that? Why didn't Dallas just insist on putting Kane back into the freezer? That was probably the best protocal.

>> The air in Chernobyl is 'breathable'. I wouldn't wish to sample it any time soon though.


Point 2) As already mentioned in a previous post. The Nostromo – an old bucket of rust, had the ability to decipher the signal from the derelict. I don't think it's a stretch to believe that David (a state of the art animated computer) had the ability to learn the basic language. If the plot hadn't made the point of asserting that Earth ancient language was based upon the engineers native tongue – I'd agree with you.

>> David has learned 'the language' through correlation of Earth's historical languages, that are all apparently derived from some 'mother tongue' of the Engineers. Which makes zero sense. They either 'make us whole' like David the android and teach us everything, or they wait eons for mother nature to do the seriously convoluted work and then give us a basic language lesson, and teach us nothing of any value. WTF?

I'm stopping here because...this story no longer has any meaning for me.

Point 1) The implication was clearly that the air was safe to breathe... otherwise David would have said "I wouldn't suggest you take your helmet off". It's really not that difficult to get your head around.

Point 2) Not sure why it doesn't make sense? Most of our religions are based around Gods who keep us at a distances sometimes intervene and smite us for doing wrong. We are all Gods children, but will be torn asunder if we take his name in vain etc. etc. It all fits into that 'God' dynamic.


Quote from: armageddon on Jun 06, 2012, 06:28:24 PM
Allright, just watched it for the second time and I revise my judgement. I loved it. It's agreat movie.

Fassbender is just awesome. "Cup of tea, ma'am?"
Did you not like it first time around?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darkness on Jun 06, 2012, 06:38:09 PM
Well, I've just got back from seeing it. I saw it in 2D, not interested in any of that 3D stuff. I spent the whole bus ride home trying to figure out what I just saw. Here goes...

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Definitely a movie you need to see more than once, but not because it's intellectual a la Inception but because of the plot holes. It definitely feels like whole gaps in the story were just left out. What was the opening scene supposed to show? What are the urns supposed to contain? What were they doing there? How did the snakes came to be created? Why did David infect Holloway? How did Shaw become pregnant so fast? Did Shaw not think to tell anybody about the creature that just came out of her body? It's like everybody just forgot/didn't realise that there was a massive creature on the ship. What exactly are the Engineers? What are their motivations? Why did he kill everybody when he woke up? I'm still no closer to understanding the Engineers' motivations or background. It's just never explained. These things aren't interesting mysteries, it's just very poor writing.

The visual style, effects and scale of the sets were great. One of the few movies in this franchise that I would describe as 'epic'. All the cast were great, I thought. The only question mark was Guy Pearce. What a pointless addition to the movie. Firstly, they could have just cast an old guy to play the part. Secondly, the character was brought out of stasis only for him to be killed by the Engineer a few minutes later?

The creatures... they were alright. I really wish Giger had played a role in the creature designs. They sorely needed him. Who better to design pre-evolution versions of the Alien than Giger himself? The designs were just generic and there wasn't enough creature action. Why have the scene with the mutant attacking people? They could have just done a bit more creature stuff there like them invading the ship or something.

Other things... The gore factor was actually very low too by today's standards. Even the infamous Shaw birth scene wasn't as graphic as I thought it would be.

The score/music was alright in my opinion.

It's hard not to judge the movie as an Alien prequel but it clearly is given the final scene. The thing is though, if they'd have just stuck to the Speight's original ideas, it would have been a far more interesting movie. I miss the classic alien life cycle. If the movie had properly explained how the xenomorph came to be created and maybe ended with how the Derelict crashed on LV426, then yeah, it would have been great. As of right now, I haven't really learnt anything about the Alien franchise I didn't already know.
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I think this is one of the rare times I actually agree with Hick's review. Right now, it's a 3.5/5 from me too. I'm definitely interested in watching it again when the DVD comes out and just like Predators, I'd still like them to come back and do a sequel. It definitely needs a sequel.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Alien³ on Jun 06, 2012, 06:41:15 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
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1) But that would be just confusing for the audiences. Some with helmets on and some without. It wound't serve any purpose other than give you comfort that the entire team aren't so reckless.

2) That's a big assumption to make i.e. a simple warning is more decipherable in a language no one (supposedly) understands. Once the basics of a code/language are understood, the rest usually falls into place... no matter how complex (or so my father has always said – a seasoned proffesor in archaelogy and ancient history). As far as speech versus reading is concerned (I'm assuming you mean that speech is more difficult?), how do we know that David's conversation with the engineer wouldn't have been interpreted as "me David, you big man. We come for pow wow okeyday?" We don't know what level of complexity David could communicate with the engineers, but we do know that he could decipher alien text/instructions etc. - which you agree is easier than the spoken word.


3) But it wasn't like they were all hanging back and chillin'... they we're all rushing back to the ship because of Man uber storm. A state of confusion. The captain did pick up on the fact that they were missing... but just too late to help them.


4) I'd agree with you if Milburn was presented as seeking out the 'ping' etc... but they happen on the hammerpede by chance/bad luck.  Once they appear, his fear takes a step back for his proffesional interest.

As for Kane, he didn't freak out... but he was presented as a sensible chap... the 2nd in command. Putting your face into an alien egg is about as sensible as putting your hand into a naked flame... or trying to touch a hammerpede.

5) Not really. It not only references Alien, but we're getting to see what the black goo does to organic matter.  A key piece of information.


6) It's not as if mutated Fierfield is sat on a rock looking at the sky and smoking a spliff. He's clearly turned into an aggressive monster. At this point in the movie, whilst it's obvious the black goo isn't for drinking a la cherry cola, we only have the 2 examples where it's shown to mutate. As many of the critics here are calling for more exposition, I'd posit that this is an example where it didn't need less.



7) Yes i did excuse away this at the end but this kind makes the character a bit out there to actually discover all of this yet still be so disappointed that he is going to go on a bender.  I think just because he states he's willing to do anything/everything, it doesn't mean he would. He clearly wasn't counting on being in utter agony as he mutates into something else. He'd be the first to say it wasn't worth it in the end...

8) No... but it adds weight to the theme of being able to create life. For all Shaw's beliefs/faith, she has been short changed on something the vast majority of women need and desire. I thought it quite powerful (in context of a sci-fi flick).

9) I agree – the movie could lose some stuff and would be better for it. The coda with the proto xeno being the prime example. Although everyone I've seen the movie with (I've been 3 times with about 10 people) we're certainly not going "huh?" every 15 mins.
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You're my hero. Taken my opinion an splattered it onscreen. Listen to this man he knows his business (Prometheus)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: armageddon on Jun 06, 2012, 06:46:31 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 06:36:26 PM
Did you not like it first time around?

I did. But it's starting to really grow on me.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Alien³ on Jun 06, 2012, 06:59:01 PM
Quote from: armageddon on Jun 06, 2012, 06:46:31 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 06:36:26 PM
Did you not like it first time around?

I did. But it's starting to really grow on me.

That is happening to me too. The more I think about it the more I love it.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 06, 2012, 07:15:54 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jun 06, 2012, 06:59:01 PM
Quote from: armageddon on Jun 06, 2012, 06:46:31 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 06:36:26 PM
Did you not like it first time around?

I did. But it's starting to really grow on me.

That is happening to me too. The more I think about it the more I love it.

The plot thickens! Can't wait! Tomorrow night!
Title: Re: PROMETHEUS UNBOUND- my review- Melkor
Post by: EJA on Jun 06, 2012, 07:55:16 PM
Quote from: melkor on Jun 06, 2012, 07:03:52 AM
Hello All!

My PROEMTHEUS review can be found here...

http://wp.me/p2tPJ3-1 (http://wp.me/p2tPJ3-1)

Your comments are appreciated,

Melkor

Spot on, Melkor, pal. I liked the film, but the plot holes and unanswered questions were a bit too much.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jun 06, 2012, 08:36:47 PM


Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
Some responses...

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Quote1) But that would be just confusing for the audiences. Some with helmets on and some without. It wound't serve any purpose other than give you comfort that the entire team aren't so reckless.

If you are confused because only two people took off their helmets while the other didnt..... you should only come out and see Michael Bay movies. I really dont think it requires that much mental processing, i really dont. And yes the point is to show that the whole team isnt a bunch of morons. It's a movie about people being infected, it would do a whole lot better if the characters werent running around making it very easy to be infected by something a few minutes into the expedition.

Later on they could have maybe shown more people taking their helmets off, that would been fine, but all at the start was really kinda of silly. Hell, Fif and Milburn could have taken their helmets off, is not like they needed it for story purposes. They were going to die so outside of the helmet bong and couple effects shots that deal with the helmet there was no purpose. In fact, it seems now that they put their helmets on specifically for them to die the way they did. Heh. 

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2) That's a big assumption to make i.e. a simple warning is more decipherable in a language no one (supposedly) understands.

No it's a simple assumption, if some one wants to keep as many people as possible out they would leave a message in a way that most people could figure it out. Not in their native language that no one could figure out but using math or something like that. If i remember correctly from Alien it was repeating message of 12 intervals or something? Which i am guessing was why Mother could figure out part of it, it kept repeating a pattern that they could extrapolate some meaning.

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Once the basics of a code/language are understood, the rest usually falls into place... no matter how complex (or so my father has always said – a seasoned proffesor in archaelogy and ancient history). As far as speech versus reading is concerned (I'm assuming you mean that speech is more difficult?), how do we know that David's conversation with the engineer wouldn't have been interpreted as "me David, you big man. We come for pow wow okeyday?" We don't know what level of complexity David could communicate with the engineers, but we do know that he could decipher alien text/instructions etc. - which you agree is easier than the spoken word.

No, i clearly said reading is harder... this is why in history and we still do have now illiterate people. There are people in this world that cannot understand what we are writing and all of this looks like a mess of lines yet we can walk up to them and discuss all of this with no problem. Unless i completely missed it there is nothing that Dave got his hands on that would allow him to be able to figure out one letter or sign from the Jock language, let alone the dude being able to operate their tech. The only point this was sort of ok was when he was repeating the stuff he saw on the hologram but that would not teach him anything besides the commands that were shown. There is no way that from that he could fly an alien ship. Sorry, but that is Star Trek stuff.

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3) But it wasn't like they were all hanging back and chillin'... they we're all rushing back to the ship because of an uber storm. A state of confusion. The captain did pick up on the fact that they were missing... but just too late to help them.

What was the confusion? He just called over and told them to come back and waited for them. But for some unknown reason ( silly plot) at this point all the tech at their disposal wasnt used to keep them all safe. Is not until AFTER the main team arrives back that the Captain decides to look at their cameras. Janek makes Gorman look a tactical genius in the way he operates.

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4) I'd agree with you if Milburn was presented as seeking out the 'ping' etc... but they happen on the hammerpede by chance/bad luck.  Once they appear, his fear takes a step back for his proffesional interest.

As for Kane, he didn't freak out... but he was presented as a sensible chap... the 2nd in command. Putting your face into an alien egg is about as sensible as putting your hand into a naked flame... or trying to touch a hammerpede.

What i am trying to convey is that Mil knew what he was doing and showed a negative reaction to it while Kane is not a professional and did not show a negative reaction. Kane being slightly silly in his decision making is more forgivable because there wasnt that many hurdles put in front of him like Milburn had. Milburn went from freaking out about dead aliens to ooooh look alien thingy.... let me get reeeeeal close to it. What did Kane do but show some amazement at what they found? In fact, your explanation of "professional curiosity" works better with Kane than Mil because he obviously didnt have a heavy negative reaction to what was found yet they continued on and on, and sort of dropped his safety instinct.

Like i said, one scene showing Milburn calming down would have been nice cause right now we have the dude going from 0 to 60 in a few seconds.

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5) Not really. It not only references Alien, but we're getting to see what the black goo does to organic matter.  A key piece of information.

By that point to me we got enough info showing that goo is bad.
And this happens shortly after two scenes showing goo is not good.

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6) It's not as if mutated Fierfield is sat on a rock looking at the sky and smoking a spliff. He's clearly turned into an aggressive monster. At this point in the movie, whilst it's obvious the black goo isn't for drinking a la cherry cola, we only have the 2 examples where it's shown to mutate. As many of the critics here are calling for more exposition, I'd posit that this is an example where it didn't need less.

Goo not good was shown at the very start of the film, the Jock head, Mil being silly, Holloway being killed, and the alien baby happens as this scene is going on. This is one of the biggest problems with the film, there are numerous aliens things happening all at the same yet none of them are connected by the characters in the film. The audience by now should CLEARLY see what is going on, having yet another example of goo not good doesnt help the audience. By now the characters should have been making connections on this stuff since the audience should be clear on this. 


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7)  I think just because he states he's willing to do anything/everything, it doesn't mean he would. He clearly wasn't counting on being in utter agony as he mutates into something else. He'd be the first to say it wasn't worth it in the end...

This would be fine if he went off by himself, but endangering everyone just makes me dislike the character even more.  In fact it would have been interesting if Fif would have gotten replace with Holloway. Holloway disappears and no one can find him and some hours later he pops back on the ship looking all beastly wanting to kill everyone but when he sees Shaw he calm downs a bit enough to be killed. Shaw ends up making the choice of killing him.


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8) No... but it adds weight to the theme of being able to create life. For all Shaw's beliefs/faith, she has been short changed on something the vast majority of women need and desire. I thought it quite powerful (in context of a sci-fi flick).

I dont see how it adds anything. To me is just a person being infected with some alien virus which has been shown to be bad. Shaw being barren plays no part because no one knows about it, we dont know about until a few minutes before it happens. For it to add weight they should have put weight on it in the film, randomly mentioning a few minutes before we see it come into play is just plain plot silliness.

Quote9) I agree – the movie could lose some stuff and would be better for it. The coda with the proto xeno being the prime example. Although everyone I've seen the movie with (I've been 3 times with about 10 people) we're certainly not going "huh?" every 15 mins.

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They are going "huh?" you just cant see in the dark, man.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 06, 2012, 09:44:10 PM
 I think the movie is absolutely terrific. It has heart and terror as well, as well as some pretty good depth. And Im not referring to the whole creationism thing, its actually the character's stories and pathos that made biggest impact on me. I dont know where to start, but if you havent seen the movie yet dont read further cause Ill be "spoilering" the whole thing.

The opening is great, the first notes of the music and the whole credits sequence sets up a great mood and sense of dread contrasted with beautiful and peaceful images. Davids sequences showing him as this harmless, lone guy watching movies and doing chores on the ship is excellent, very moody. Watching Shaws dream was also a nice touch, Davids a great character, he seems to innocent and sincere and yes, Fassbender did a great job with the character. Reading reviews I thought people must be seriously overdoing on praising his performance, but he definitely deserves all the praise he gets. First attack from the hammerpede was actually pretty tense and terrifying, I thought its gonna be a typical gory slasher scene, but it nicely created tension. One of the things I really liked was that Holloway was such an annoying douchebag and I hated the guy, then the movie successfully twists my feelings when he gets infected and I feel very sorry for him in that moment. The burning is a great emotional moment, but has a flaw in the movie's structure - it cuts away to soon, not leaving enough time to fully digest the drama of the moment. The abortion scene was phenomenal, and it wasnt the gore (there was barely any) or even the idea itself that made it terrifying, but it was Rapace's great, great acting. I mean, she does such a great job in selling the pain and terror that you really feel like its real and her fear and physical and emotional pain is contagious. The whole subplot with Weyland doing the expedition in hopes of prolonging his life was pretty sad, because everyone of us wants to live, and the shadow of death is right upon him. All he wants is just to live, yet he dies in such awful way, killed by a being that he thought would understand his fear and help him. It was also very sad that he still lived for a second after the hit, knowing that all was for nothing and that hes dying. His relationship with David was also interesting. The finale was grand and created genuine tension, something I dont feel during action sequences watching recent movies. It was great to feel the thrill of the action along with the tension again. The ending is one of my favorite scenes, Its very creepy and the creature itself is creepy as hell, sounding like a baby at first and with torso looking like that of a child and this horrific head and double jaw. It was also a nice classic horror ending

What I didnt like was the design of the squid, which was almost as awfully bad as The Thing 2012 designs. I didnt care for the hammerpede either. I didnt like the first explorations scenes too, they just felt bland. Shaw reuniting with David and both going to another world was meh

Whats also interesting is that the movie doesnt have a villain. Monsters appear very sporadically and briefly, engineer appears just at the end, and Vickers isnt a villain, shes just an cold character

Overall, Im extremely surprised by the movie, I expected a good movie and then hoped for one when bad reviews were coming in, but at the end it was better than I ever thought it would be. Definitely buying the DVD, and I think its a great addition to the franchise. 8/10
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 06, 2012, 10:16:53 PM
Quote from: fakk3 on Jun 06, 2012, 10:13:45 AM
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:D

Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 12:50:06 PM
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David had already confirmed that the air was breathable. It was safe to take off the helmets.  In reality, would they have done a full labaortory test type study on the compostion of the air inside the temple? Probably – but who wants to see that? Why didn't Dallas just insist on putting Kane back into the freezer? That was probably the best protocal.
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The problem was, why even have them remove their helmets, at all? We were fine with watching Dallas and co walk around with them on. If anything, it would have served to visually remind the audience that they're in Here Be Dragons territory.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 10:31:47 PM
@Daddy...

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1) Well ditto. If an audience can't compute that the air is clean enough for them to take their helmets off... there's no hope.  Besides - none of them were killed by the air quality... so I guess Holloway was right. Alien is also movie about a creature picking off people one by one "it would do a lot better if the characters weren't running around" on their own making it easy to be picked off one by one.

2) I think you're just trying to bend logic a little there... Are your really trying to argue it's scientifically easier to decipher an alien distress call than it is to decipher an alien control panel? Why are we both even bothering to argue this inane imaginary point? Fu*k me.  ;)

Also - I think you did indeed miss something. David explains why he believes he will be able to translate/decipher - based on his understanding of commonalities within different ancient Earth languages. He is a computer. Computers crack code/language all the time... even artificial language.


3) I thought it was perfectly clear that they were having a mad dash back to the Prometheus before the storm hit???


4) Kane's ineptitude may be more forgivable, but it's borne out of the same sense of morbid curiosity... and I think Milburn was depicted as being morbidly curious... it wasn't as if he was trying to cuddle up to the hammerpede. He was trying to get close enough to touch it. I've been in a cage in water with a shark (with circa 5 other people) and we all tried to touch the shark as it swam past. Human behavior is quite irrational. On a filmmaking point, I do think that Kane/egg & facehugger scene is treated in a much more stylized way i.e. it's played/directed much more seriously... and is the better for it. The whole hammerpede sequence (IMHO) is played much more for a multiplex/ 15 certificate type of audience – so it's substantially more toned down. However, what I don't agree with is that there is a huge gap in logic in behavior between the characters in Alien and Prometheus.

6) We'll have to agree to disagree on that one then... as I think the audience need to see the extent of what it does... and I think Fairfield's contamination/mutation is the most extreme/aggressive. Also, I'd agree that it could be argued that the mutations/fates of those involved aren't inexorably connected to the main thrust of the movie. However, I think the alternative is to have one antagonist (a la Alien) be that a giant worm, mutation or other, but that would have smacked as more predictable IMHO... and I think Prometheus is better for it not going that route.


7) I'm not sure how it could have worked better. Although undoubtedly there's always potentially a better way of depicting it.

Re. Shaw's pregnancy - I don't believe everything in a movie needs to be signposted as blatantly as that. I just took it that this woman uses her beliefs to quell her pain... and the irony is that her God inflicts more pain upon her (physically, mentally and spiritually).


9) I'll have to take your word for it...
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 06, 2012, 10:35:19 PM
Glad you liked the movie Adrian, but you really should change your signature - a lot of people on the boards have been trying to avoid that image.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 06, 2012, 10:16:53 PM
The problem was, why even have them remove their helmets, at all? We were fine with watching Dallas and co walk around with them on. If anything, it would have served to visually remind the audience that they're in Here Be Dragons territory.

Simply because half the movie is spent in the temple... whereas in Alien it's circa 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on Jun 06, 2012, 10:55:02 PM
sloppy work on character development there was at least 4 guy who doesnt even have a name for god sake, and i wanted to feel sorry for Charlie, Janek, Ravel, Chance....its like they were focusing so much on Shaw and on David that they forgot about the others....you know just watch the movie Sunshine and compare the characters and what you feel for them....... loved the movie though, but it feels short

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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 06, 2012, 11:12:08 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
Simply because half the movie is spent in the temple... whereas in Alien it's circa 10 minutes.

I honestly don't think that would have mattered.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jun 07, 2012, 12:50:48 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Jun 06, 2012, 10:31:47 PM
@Daddy...

Darth...
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1) Well ditto. If an audience can't compute that the air is clean enough for them to take their helmets off... there's no hope.  Besides - none of them were killed by the air quality... so I guess Holloway was right. Alien is also movie about a creature picking off people one by one "it would do a lot better if the characters weren't running around" on their own making it easy to be picked off one by one.

Yeah, Holloway was right but a few second scene with some device testing the air which gives them confirmation when they get to the ship i dont think is too much to ask instead of this, "HEYOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Space Madi Gras! Everyone take off your helmet!" Hell, here on earth when people open Egyptian tombs men are told NOT to shave if they are going in because the air is stale and full of crap that can easily enter through small cuts. Now imagine another planet with some Alien biology.  All these folks were a bit loose and gun ho.

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2) I think you're just trying to bend logic a little there... Are your really trying to argue it's scientifically easier to decipher an alien distress call than it is to decipher an alien control panel? Why are we both even bothering to argue this inane imaginary point? Fu*k me.  ;)

No i am arguing that if the Jock wanted no one to come to the breakdown they would leave a simple warning that many people could figure out. Which what i am saying they did when Alien described it at having 12 parts that kept repeating.Which gave Mother a change to figure some parts out. Sort of like SOS which is made up of short and long beeps 

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Also - I think you did indeed miss something. David explains why he believes he will be able to translate/decipher - based on his understanding of commonalities within different ancient Earth languages. He is a computer. Computers crack code/language all the time... even artificial language.

Yeah, i am sort of ok with Dave figuring out some basic translation of some signs but that is miles away from learning to operate alien machinery and even further to pilot an alien ship. That turn Dave into Data.... and at this point in Alien history these things are at the early stage.

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3) I thought it was perfectly clear that they were having a mad dash back to the Prometheus before the storm hit???

Most of the things dealing with Fif and Mil create a problems NOT with the characters themselves but with what the movie setup for the scenario, like i mentioned before, and this is another example. Janek was at the ship sitting down waiting for them to come and for some unknown reason (silly plot) he doesnt pay attention to those two until everyone gets back. I have no problem with the main team not worrying about those two, i have a problem with everyone at Prometheus not caring one bit until is too late.  The people at the ship were just sitting there waiting.

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4) Kane's ineptitude may be more forgivable, but it's borne out of the same sense of morbid curiosity... and I think Milburn was depicted as being morbidly curious... it wasn't as if he was trying to cuddle up to the hammerpede. He was trying to get close enough to touch it. I've been in a cage in water with a shark (with circa 5 other people) and we all tried to touch the shark as it swam past. Human behavior is quite irrational. On a filmmaking point, I do think that Kane/egg & facehugger scene is treated in a much more stylized way i.e. it's played/directed much more seriously... and is the better for it. The whole hammerpede sequence (IMHO) is played much more for a multiplex/ 15 certificate type of audience – so it's substantially more toned down. However, what I don't agree with is that there is a huge gap in logic in behavior between the characters in Alien and Prometheus.
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Yeah Kane is a dude in the cage putting his hand out to touch a shark but Milburn is a dude that says he isnt going into the cage and stays on the boat but minutes later he just jumps into the water to swim with the sharks. It was really sudden, there wasnt a gradual shift. They went from being freaked by the pile of dead Engineers, to being freaked by the ping that was probably a life form to, oooh there is a cute alien. These two scene were very different and one works better than the other.

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6) We'll have to agree to disagree on that one then... as I think the audience need to see the extent of what it does... and I think Fairfield's contamination/mutation is the most extreme/aggressive. Also, I'd agree that it could be argued that the mutations/fates of those involved aren't inexorably connected to the main thrust of the movie. However, I think the alternative is to have one antagonist (a la Alien) be that a giant worm, mutation or other, but that would have smacked as more predictable IMHO... and I think Prometheus is better for it not going that route.

All mutations being separate and totally different is what creates the problem, after a while whats the point of showing yet another different mutation? By this point the audience knows that goo results in something bad. And this scene being played out at the same time as the alien baby just creates a needless chaos in the baby birth. Well, i guess you can say the purpose was to have most of the crew away to keep the baby a secret but that baby thread turned out awful. 

Quote7) I'm not sure how it could have worked better. Although undoubtedly there's always potentially a better way of depicting it.

I think there is a lot of room for improvement here.

QuoteRe. Shaw's pregnancy - I don't believe everything in a movie needs to be signposted as blatantly as that. I just took it that this woman uses her beliefs to quell her pain... and the irony is that her God inflicts more pain upon her (physically, mentally and spiritually).

Actually bringing up minutes before it becomes a factor could not be more of a blatant signpost. Bringing this up earlier as something that could be picked up later is a better easing into this storyline. Plus this could be use for other things like her reason of finding the meaning of life having to do with her not being able to create it. We could have a scene with her and Vickers discussing how Vicker has the ability but never used it because she is all business while Shaw being the opposite.

What they did on the film was the equivalent of doing a Superman movie where Kryptonite is explained shortly before it becomes a huge factor. Supes saying "By the way.... im going to fight Luther now but before that i am going to let you know im weak to radioactive rock from my planet. Up, up and arrrrrrghhhhhhhh!!!" You have to build up big things like that man. You cant just show it, do it, then  use it to explain all that happened before while you are sitting in the movie. You can bring up for the discussion now like we are doing but this doesnt work while you are watching it.

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9) I'll have to take your word for it...

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Yes... i can feeel them.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ChrisPachi on Jun 07, 2012, 12:52:41 AM
I can see why this film is so polarizing. I guess it depends on how much the flaws affect you personally. For me, this was a great film ruined by some god-awful, groan-inducing moments that wrench you out of the movie and plant you back in the cinema, which is a shame, because the first half had me totally engrossed.

And the fan-service ending leaves a bad taste in the mouth, no doubt one of the main reasons that some fans have reacted so badly.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 07, 2012, 01:05:14 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 06, 2012, 10:35:19 PM
Glad you liked the movie Adrian, but you really should change your signature - a lot of people on the boards have been trying to avoid that image.

No problemo
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 07, 2012, 01:08:49 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 07, 2012, 01:05:14 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 06, 2012, 10:35:19 PM
Glad you liked the movie Adrian, but you really should change your signature - a lot of people on the boards have been trying to avoid that image.

No problemo
Thanks man  8)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Blacklabel on Jun 07, 2012, 02:37:30 AM
Saw it tonight.. 3/4 stars.. flawed but very enjoyable. Easily better than Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection... and for f**ks sakes.. let's not speak of the 2 AVP films ever again.

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Shaw's abortion scene.. giggity! The entire audience was on the edge of their seat. One of the finest scenes in the entire alien series. Easily.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 07, 2012, 02:55:20 AM
All this talk about character development....when I think back to the alien series....I only remember one to 2 main characters with plausible development per film.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: tonyt2000 on Jun 07, 2012, 03:00:14 AM
Saw it and have to say that I liked it quite a bit more than I expected to.  Yes, it's flawed and the pacing is a bit too brisk for a 2-hour film (it at least seems like there was some pretty judicious editing), but it's nowhere near as bad as it's been made out to be.  To me, it makes for a good first installment and is begging for a better sequel.  I think that Lindelof has been given far too much blame for the script when everything I've read seems to indicate that the ideas he infused into his re-write were mostly Scott's and that the script supposedly didn't undergo an enormous transformation from Spaihts's original.  If I had to rate it, I'd give it a solid 3/4.  It's definitely overstuffed and the "suprise" subplot and frankly the ending could have both easily been excised to make room for better development of the other ideas.  Flaws and all, Scott's ambition is admirable and it's a damned sight better than nearly any big-budget science fiction film I've seen in years, including the "Star Trek" reboot, which I enjoyed but thought was flawed for many of the same reasons as "Prometheus".

I absolutely LOVED the design of the Engineers and the visuals were, in a word, stunning.  One of my biggest gripes was the lack of development on the crew mutations and quite a few of the suppositions on what the planet was, what the Engineers' mission was, etc. were arrived at a bit too quickly and pat for my taste, but again, they didn't sink the film overall, and I'm super super picky 'bout my sci-fi.  "Blade Runner" and "Alien" are still the gold standard for me, but Ridley has made a worthy entry into the cannon and probably his best film in many many years.  And hey, it's gotta be better than "Alien Resurrection"....

Bottom line is, DON'T go in expecting it to be "Alien".  It really is a different beast entirely and while flawed is damned good.

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Blacklabel on Jun 07, 2012, 03:05:47 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 07, 2012, 02:55:20 AM
All this talk about character development....when I think back to the alien series....I only remember one to 2 main characters with plausible development per film.

I actually got out of Prometheus with the notion that i got to know the characters a bit better than in the first Alien.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Jun 07, 2012, 03:09:58 AM
Well, that's true in its way, right off the bat.

The script for Alien is extremely spare on character detail.  90% of what we know about those people comes from performance, from improvisation, but you quickly feel as though you can relate to them and their issues as space truckers thanks to those performances.

With Prometheus, a big sprawling 'exploring outer space!' epic, you get to know the people a bit more traditionally, as they also introduce themselves to each other in places.  They're very different ensembles for different movies. 
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And the movie opens on David, and his journey, apart from the others and fascinated with Shaw and her faith.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 07, 2012, 03:12:13 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 07, 2012, 02:55:20 AM
All this talk about character development....when I think back to the alien series....I only remember one to 2 main characters with plausible development per film.

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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: First Blood on Jun 07, 2012, 03:13:26 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 07, 2012, 02:55:20 AM
All this talk about character development....when I think back to the alien series....I only remember one to 2 main characters with plausible development per film.

I don't see how that's possible. Everyone in Alien got ample screen time. And were defined well enough.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Blacklabel on Jun 07, 2012, 03:18:54 AM
ThisBethesdaSea... "plausible" probably isnt the best word for that phrase.. At least in the first 2 films the characters are very plausible. (in the 3rd too.... and the motivations in Alien Resurrection seem pretty clear and plausible for the most part to me.)

but yes... the first 2 Alien films arent known for their deep exploration of character. But that's not what they were aiming at. And it's not an issue. ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Jun 07, 2012, 03:20:17 AM
I wouldn't consider Kane that well defined.  He exists to explore and die.  Beyond that I think he gets by on John Hurt's fine, engaging performance.  And Brett is a lot of fun but he is still basically Parker's follower.  That is his trait - the co-worker who is subjugated by a larger, stronger personality.  We all know guys like that.  That's why all those characters work, even when the script is very sparse; we know people like that, and they are portrayed exceptionally well.

With Prometheus it's a different movie, and a different kind of crew and story.  These people are largely strangers even to each other.  They're on an assignment.  So far what I've seen of the intro works for me, but we'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ChrisPachi on Jun 07, 2012, 03:23:22 AM
The film just jumps around too much, and what lines the characters do have are fairly droll. The treatment of Kate Dickie's Ford is deplorable IMO.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: tonyt2000 on Jun 07, 2012, 03:24:09 AM
Fassbinder's performance was, hands-down, the best.  I loved David's emergent mischievousness and his subtle insults to the crew.  Character development was given the short-shrift definitely, but the crew compliment of the Nostromo was at least half, if not less, than the Prometheus crew, so we got to know exactly what we needed to know about them in context of the "Alien" story, and pretty quickly, too.  I think that the sheer number of cast members sort of guaranteed that we weren't going to get that development, which I would have liked to see, as well as some of the half-formed ideas discarded in favor of better-developed ones.  Again, I quite enjoyed it and while not groundbreaking, was pretty damned good.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Jun 07, 2012, 03:25:22 AM
I do hope the additional footage gives Kate Dickie more to do.  That Scots accent is quite something, even early on.  Rafe Spall and Sean Harris do well.

And it's clear David is the star already, yes.  Scott is fascinated by him, and rightly so.  But in actuality, the intro I saw really wasn't that different from how Cameron handled the large marine complement of Aliens.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: tonyt2000 on Jun 07, 2012, 03:25:30 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jun 07, 2012, 03:23:22 AM
The film just jumps around too much, and what lines the characters do have are fairly droll. The treatment of Kate Dickie's Ford is deplorable IMO.

I agree completely.  I expected at least her character to be far more well-developed but she just quickly became cannon fodder like most everyone else. 
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Blacklabel on Jun 07, 2012, 03:30:54 AM
But where there really any standout inspirational lines in the first Alien? Really? Really? The dialogue was allways merely functional and realistic... spartan.

Aliens does have quite a few good lines though. :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Jun 07, 2012, 03:32:29 AM
Inspirational?  No.  But plenty of great lines in Alien, often due simply to delivery.  Or improv.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Blacklabel on Jun 07, 2012, 03:44:48 AM
regarding "inspirational"... i was just using someone else's choice of words about the lack of "inspirational" dialogue in Prometheus.

The lines in Alien were spartan as hell... they were "just" associated with great moments in the film

for instance:
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Ash is a robot! He's a goddamn robot!
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It's merely functional. It gets the job done.

it's just associated with one of the most brilliant moments in scifi filmmaking. :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: r888 on Jun 07, 2012, 03:58:25 AM
Well I just came back from it , it f**king awesome , Yes I will see it again
I Love the proto xeno at the end, I thought the engineer were great, Fassbinder's performance great and amazing, I love  Noomi Rapace perfromance I though she was great especially that surgery scene.

Well done ripley scott

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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 07, 2012, 04:25:40 AM
What was the classical piece that played during the credits?

Did it fit well?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: r888 on Jun 07, 2012, 04:30:55 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 07, 2012, 04:25:40 AM
What was the classical piece that played during the credits?

Did it fit well?

It work very well (in my opinion)
I don't what the score was called sorry
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Hubbs on Jun 07, 2012, 04:37:32 AM
The surgery scene was very tense and well done I agree, reminded me of Alien 3 somewhat, homage?

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: tonyt2000 on Jun 07, 2012, 04:38:36 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Jun 07, 2012, 03:25:22 AM
And it's clear David is the star already, yes.  Scott is fascinated by him, and rightly so.  But in actuality, the intro I saw really wasn't that different from how Cameron handled the large marine complement of Aliens.

True, good point.  It still seems like we got a slightly better handle on everyone's individual personalities even then, though, at least enough to serve the purpose of the story.

Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: r888 on Jun 07, 2012, 04:39:20 AM
Maybe the one point I was dissappointed with the film is that squid facehugger thing
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ChrisPachi on Jun 07, 2012, 05:56:12 AM
Another thing I noticed is that at the end of the film I felt as though I did not just see the film that I paid to see, but rather a prologue to the film that I paid to see.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 07, 2012, 08:29:54 AM
Quote from: tonyt2000 on Jun 07, 2012, 04:38:36 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Jun 07, 2012, 03:25:22 AM
And it's clear David is the star already, yes.  Scott is fascinated by him, and rightly so.  But in actuality, the intro I saw really wasn't that different from how Cameron handled the large marine complement of Aliens.

True, good point.  It still seems like we got a slightly better handle on everyone's individual personalities even then, though, at least enough to serve the purpose of the story.
I think the biggest difference in terms of characterisation between Alien and Prometheus is not in terms of quality/substance, but style. Alien is performed and scripted much more 'realistically'... some of the improv comes into play there I'm sure... and as a result the performance are more realistic. Prometheus is performed/scripted like a big budget blockbuster. Stylistically, Ridley is not looking for that same level of reality... it's a lot more fantastical (IMHO).
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: samoht on Jun 07, 2012, 08:57:11 AM
I am disappointed by the extreme sense of confusion that this film brings to me.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jun 07, 2012, 05:56:12 AM
Another thing I noticed is that at the end of the film I felt as though I did not just see the film that I paid to see, but rather a prologue to the film that I paid to see.

I completely agree.



Other than that, I really loved this film. I almost kept ejaculating all over the seats in front of me with pure excitement.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: sampson3121 on Jun 07, 2012, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 30, 2012, 01:22:55 PM
Right... I've just seen Prometheus in Lille, France. I came A long way to see it and my hopes for the film were very high.

I'm going to try not to give any major spoilers but read this at your own risk, I will say however that if you have watched the first 2 trailers or more, you have basically seen the whole movie.

It's hard to look at the film objectively since alien is my favourite film of all time. But here goes.

Plot: this was fairly weak and predictable, there were a few good unanswered questions, but very few and far between, mostly you were spoon fed a very straight forward expansion of the trailers, in fact all the main surprises bar one (I'll get to that) were in the trailers.... This was a bit of a let down for me but at the same time won't affect the rating I give the film as its my own fault for watching trailers etc. I do feel that the story could have been much more impact full given the subject matter. That said its still a solid film overall.

One thing I have to say about the plot is that some of the reactions, or more specifically Non-reactions to some quite alarming events by characters are nuts...some serious shit hits the fan and the next scene it's as if nothing has happened... Quite poor if you ask me.

Characters: this is where the the film shines and falls down at the same time, David is great and a complex character, in fact I'd go as far to say he steals the show and it could have easily been his story. The crew of the Prometheus is 17 and honestly I'd say 10 of them don't do or say anything and just add to the body count...I really think the film would have been better cutting down the cast and making it more intimate like the original. I hate to say this but several times in this movie I was reminded of avp1, and some of the characters feel like the fell straight out of andersons story and into this one.

Gripes aside the "main" characters are all well acted and I think did a good job, I do feel that there was more potential particularly between vickers and David to expand the relationship.

Visuals: everything looked fantastic with the exception of the creatures. Apparently no one told Ridley that Tenticles are not scary and make any creature that has them a joke. There are several Tenticled creatures in the film and the looked stupid to me I won't say anymore than that.

Oh and remember that report of the 3 xenon sat next to each other outside a stage during production? Well I can confirm that's a load of bull.

There is also an... Abomination to Alien in the film, but I can't say more without giving away possibly the only thing which is not in the trailer... I'm sure it's going to be one of the most hotly debated topics on the boards soon though.

The engineer is also about 10ft tall in the movie (he's also a douchebag)

Summary:

I wanted to love this film, but some of the stuff in it really shits on Alien, human space jockeys, creatures which would make h.r.giger laugh, a complete set up for another movie, which is almost cringe worthy. These are things which hurt me as a fan, that aside it is a good movie... Id give it a 5/10 as a fan and a 7/10 for anyone else.

Final message is this: Ridley why the f**k did you have h.r.giger on your set and not use him, the murals were the best damn thing in the whole movie (im not kidding) (someone even says "look murals" lol) and also it's clear Ridley is a big avp fan boy (you'll know what I mean when you see it)

Final note an hour after I wrote this, don't be put off, it is a good film, just not the prequel I personaly was hoping for.
it was a good opening act of three, with two more to come. i liked it and can't wait for the next one, that's if he makes another cause if he reads all u spoiled brats reviews i doubt he will even bother.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on Jun 07, 2012, 12:40:06 PM
Got back an hour and a half ago from it. Was going to write some lengthy review, but here's my short version instead:

"DAVID! WE ARE LEAVING!"

Said very much ala Hicks in Aliens.

I was never looking forward to the idea of an Alien prequel. I didn't see the point. Frankly, I still don't, all things considered. The answer to the question of "What's the Space Jockey" is, as David says of Shaw's question at the end of the movie, irrelevant. There is a big dead alien thing in a chair. Creepy. But the real star is what's in the hold; the Jockey, and its relation to the Alien, is entirely irrelevant to one's understanding or appreciation of Alien.

So to all those people calling those who were unimpressed, disappointed, even outright upset by how Prometheus turned out, I have this to say:

Haters gonna make some good points.

Many of which I don't agree with.

f**k all y'all, I enjoyed it. A classic? No. Alien? Sheeeeit, no. A welcome big-budget antidote to Avatar? Yes.

Its pace is awkward, it gets flabby in the middle,
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why the f**k does no-one even think to look for what Shaw did with her squid baby, seriously, and no "They were waking up Weyland" is not a valid f**king reason to not look for the mutated alien spawn that David at least knew was somewhere and two other people were knocked out over
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, and holy shit those last eight minutes were the dumbest f**king thing they could possibly have done to finish short of Nyan cat herself swooping in to whisk the survivor(s) off to Neverland, but it does not try to "out-epic" itself, there's only one real plot hole
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SERIOUSLY, NO ONE EVEN LOOKED FOR THE THING? VICKERS NEVER WENT BACK TO HER POD? WHAT IN GOD'S NAME IS WRONG WITH EVERYONE?!
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, there's exactly one unanswered question that the sequel needs to answer
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Why did they change their minds?
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and its visuals in 3D more than justify a trip to see it in theaters at least once.

The cinema fan in me liked it as an experience, and as a big-budget sci-fi that wasn't as useless as Avatar. The sci-fi fan liked the pretty visuals. And the Alien fan somehow found it in himself to get over the fact the Jockey is a dude in a suit. Honestly, that never bothered me while watching it, and thinking back, it still doesn't.

I'll dislike it the more I watch it on DVD. It's inevitable; the film held up for its visuals and its spectacle. But it's not terrible. It's not brilliant, when certainly it could have been, but f**k it:

It's better than Alien Resurrection.

And a better movie than Alien3, which isn't hard, production problems, yadda yadda.

Of the series, I'd rank it nowhere. It's not part of it. It's a spinoff, for me. It's its own thing. And it's just dandy like that as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on Jun 07, 2012, 12:44:24 PM
the movie has great ideas that really break new ground but seems Ridley forgot about the basics of directing a movie
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jun 07, 2012, 02:45:35 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 07, 2012, 02:55:20 AM
All this talk about character development....when I think back to the alien series....I only remember one to 2 main characters with plausible development per film.

I think what people are saying is the the characters are well defined even with the little time they get. You know in Alien that the mechanic slack offs are mechanics and slack offs, they dont want to search they just want their money and they  screw around down below. Hudson is a goof who doesnt want to be there, Vasquez is the tough chick that can be on the level with men, Gorman is the rookie officer that is trying to seem experienced, etc.

****some spoiler BTW... but we all saw this movie who are here reading at this point, right?****

In this film we dont get a lot of definition. To tell you the truth.... i still dont know what Vickers is suppose to be doing there. I know she is the jealous daughter that wants her pop dead to finally take over but on the ship.... she was there to kill her old man? Laugh at him when he failed? In the beginning of the film Weyland says Shaw and Holloway are basically in charge of the mission but we spend the rest of the film with Janek and Vicker fighting over command. Vickers clearly want this to fail yet Dave is in there getting direct commands and they just let her try to stop this? Why? I guess Weyland wants to gloat too?

And im sorry but Janek to me came off worst than Gorman, all this stuff happens on the ship with his people and he never really does anything. His moments i guess were when he burns Super Fif and when he crashes into the ship but those action dont really give that much flavor. And lets not even talk about his two co-pilots that just spent the whole movie talking about a bet. I didnt even know what their jobs were which is sad cause in the first film one person sits with star charts, one pilots, one goes for communication, it's clearly defined at the start.   

Then there's security man that gets one line and i dont think we see again, which just brings up the question..... did they need that line to explain why there were flame throwers? I guess they did that because in the first film they didnt have flame throwers and they made some up. But who remembers that but the fans? And i dont think we would complain about that, right?

Fif and Milburn are really just Scooby and Shaggy. A geologist that barks and howls at his machines and has a helmet bong and a botanist who is afraid about alien life but the first time he sees one he treats it like little toy.  Oh and they get lost while knowing their grid position. They really should have just thrown a scooby snack reference.

I think the big difference is that in the first few flicks we get dialogue giving a bit of character while in this film we get more actions to define the character and these two methods do end up working differently because, using Vickers, we clearly know that she does not want this mission to succeed based on her actions but we dont really know until the very end when get that one line of dialogue and that point.... the movie is over.....why would we care? What is done is done.
Title: Saw the film i believe they have no choice to make a sequel to perfect the story
Post by: departedhero20 on Jun 07, 2012, 03:02:12 PM
 ;D saw it a few hours ago a saw a copy of the film on the internet i looked pretty good for a copy and i must say the ending really leaves u desiring for a sequel shaw takes to herself to find the engineers home world maybe just maybe if they do make a sequel it will complete the tie in with Alien that could explain a different cargo on a different ship the eggs the xenomorph not actually been in this one and the fact that this space jockeys are smaller because probably on their home world their are bigger ones like in the original alien that was found on the derelict ship once u think about it the movie makes sense however weylands death puts lots of doubts on if the weyland we know from the alien universe its a clone of the real weyland or its something that will happen in a future sequel that we haven't even considered before. ???

my personal review on the film without any spoilers is that the movie it was pretty good amazing visuals the story and the script could have had more work done than this however the film entertains it really leaves u with an open mind on what may yet come if a sequel is ever done i just hope that the sequel if it is a final sequel ties in all the lose ends and questions this movie leaves u i do sincerely hope they make another but that they take in consideration  not ruining the alien universe that has already been established i understand this is not just a prequel but a new series a new story an extension on the alien universe but it should not override the already established continuity and time line thus ruining the alien saga we fans have loved for years and many other will for years and years to come thank u for reading pardon my grammar im puerto rican.  lol
Title: Re: just saw the film and i believe that they have no choice to make a sequel!
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jun 07, 2012, 03:05:22 PM
Yep.  That's a heck of a long sentence.  :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: LIG on Jun 07, 2012, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 07, 2012, 02:45:35 PM


And im sorry but Janek to me came off worst than Gorman, all this stuff happens on the ship with his people and he never really does anything.

In Janek's words - "I just pilot the ship"  ;D feel its a bit harsh comparing him with Gorman, feel like he did more to help than Gorman who at best (untill his redemption) was like a rabbit caught in the headlights
Title: Re: just saw the film and i believe that they have no choice to make a sequel!
Post by: Glaive on Jun 07, 2012, 03:09:24 PM
...and here I was thinking all pirates say is 'AAARRRrrrrrrrrr...' ::)
Title: Re: just saw the film and i believe that they have no choice to make a sequel!
Post by: LIG on Jun 07, 2012, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: departedhero20 on Jun 07, 2012, 03:02:12 PM
;D saw it a few hours ago a saw a copy of the film on the internet i looked pretty good for a copy and i must say the ending really leaves u desiring for a sequel shaw takes to herself to find the engineers home world maybe just maybe if they do make a sequel it will complete the tie in with Alien that could explain a different cargo on a different ship the eggs the xenomorph not actually been in this one and the fact that this space jockeys are smaller because probably on their home world their are bigger ones like in the original alien that was found on the derelict ship one u think about it the movie makes sense however weylands death puts lots of doubts on if the weyland we know from the alien universe its a clone of the real weyland or its something that will happen in a future sequel that we haven't even considered before. ???

BOO! You dont deserve a sequel for that  ;D not even for the piracy issue - it looks so damn good on the big screen!!
Title: Re: Saw the film i believe they have no choice to make a sequel to perfect the story
Post by: departedhero20 on Jun 07, 2012, 03:16:46 PM
 :)i cant wait to see it on the theather in 3d too bad out here in puerto rico it comes the 14th u guys get tomorrow lol  lucky bastards. :P
Title: Re: Saw the film i believe they have no choice to make a sequel to perfect the story
Post by: LIG on Jun 07, 2012, 03:24:06 PM
Quote from: departedhero20 on Jun 07, 2012, 03:16:46 PM
:)i cant wait to see it on the theather in 3d too bad out here in puerto rico it comes the 14th u guys get tomorrow lol  lucky bastards. :P

I'm in the UK - had it since Friday! The 14th?! I feel for you!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darkness on Jun 07, 2012, 03:35:49 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 07, 2012, 12:40:06 PM
Of the series, I'd rank it nowhere. It's not part of it. It's a spinoff, for me. It's its own thing. And it's just dandy like that as far as I'm concerned.

But it is an Alien prequel whether you like it or not. Are you saying it's not canon?
Title: Re: Saw the film i believe they have no choice to make a sequel to perfect the story
Post by: departedhero20 on Jun 07, 2012, 03:46:29 PM
yeah the wait has been eternal for me i wonder if ridley thinks to make a robin hood sequel lol
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on Jun 07, 2012, 04:11:51 PM
To be honest I thought Elizabeth Shaw and David 8 got good character development. Yes this movie is flawed but it's still good, for years now I've always wanted Ridley Scott to make a movie involving the Space Jockeys.
Title: Wow. Just... wow. No spoilers.
Post by: Anarchist86ed on Jun 07, 2012, 04:58:35 PM
I'm not going to spoil anything, but I got to see the movie late last night and...

Mass Effect 3 was not as disappointing.

But I did not go in expecting it to live up to it's hype anyway. I knew it wouldn't live up to it. The plot holes are unforgivable. And the movie moves WAY to fast. I felt like I should have watched something else before watching this movie to know what was going on. And the ending was ridiculous.

The engineers are a Joke. We learned nothing about why they did what they did or why they were going to do what they were going to do.

Oh well. Is what it is to late to change it now.
Title: Re: Wow. Just... wow. No spoilers.
Post by: mastermoon on Jun 07, 2012, 05:01:48 PM
Quote from: Anarchist86ed on Jun 07, 2012, 04:58:35 PM
I'm not going to spoil anything, but I got to see the movie late last night and...

Mass Effect 3 was not as disappointing.

But I did not go in expecting it to live up to it's hype anyway. I knew it wouldn't live up to it. The plot holes are unforgivable. And the movie moves WAY to fast. I felt like I should have watched something else before watching this movie to know what was going on. And the ending was ridiculous.

The engineers are a Joke. We learned nothing about why they did what they did or why they were going to do what they were going to do.

Oh well. Is what it is to late to change it now.


What does a damn video game like Mass Effect 3 have to do with Prometheus?, thats just like comparing Resident Evil 5 with Predators.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Hellspawn28 on Jun 07, 2012, 06:38:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8wYBClAtek#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8wYBClAtek#ws)

JeremyJahns liked the movie and I always enjoy hearing his opinions on movies. He gets my approval!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 07, 2012, 07:12:01 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 07, 2012, 05:01:48 PM
What does a damn video game like Mass Effect 3 have to do with Prometheus?, thats just like comparing Resident Evil 5 with Predators.

It's more like an interactive movie.

Similar elements... Sequel everyone's wait for, for ages. Science-fiction. Clearly inspired by Ridley Scott/James Cameron stuff. Plus, has a final scene most people hate. :)

Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 07, 2012, 06:38:39 PM
JeremyJahns liked the movie and I always enjoy hearing his opinions on movies. He gets my approval!

"'Prometheus' is not an 'Alien' prequel. It's not. I'm just saying that. I will say that now. It's not an 'Alien' prequel."

The cynic in me wants to point, laugh and say that's an opinion disqualifier, right there...
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Prime113 on Jun 07, 2012, 07:13:24 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 07, 2012, 06:38:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8wYBClAtek#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8wYBClAtek#ws)

JeremyJahns liked the movie and I always enjoy hearing his opinions on movies. He gets my approval!

How does he get to see movies early? I thought he was just a normal civilian that just happen to do really good movie reviews.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jun 07, 2012, 07:28:28 PM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jun 07, 2012, 07:13:24 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 07, 2012, 06:38:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8wYBClAtek#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8wYBClAtek#ws)

JeremyJahns liked the movie and I always enjoy hearing his opinions on movies. He gets my approval!

How does he get to see movies early? I thought he was just a normal civilian that just happen to do really good movie reviews.

Civvies can get into reviewer screenings too. I have seen a handful of movies through screenings with reviewers. 
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Prime113 on Jun 07, 2012, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 07, 2012, 07:28:28 PM
Quote from: Prime113 on Jun 07, 2012, 07:13:24 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 07, 2012, 06:38:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8wYBClAtek#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8wYBClAtek#ws)

JeremyJahns liked the movie and I always enjoy hearing his opinions on movies. He gets my approval!

How does he get to see movies early? I thought he was just a normal civilian that just happen to do really good movie reviews.

Civvies can get into reviewer screenings too. I have seen a handful of movies through screenings with reviewers.

Ahhh. Alright, then. Thanks, man.  :)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: 8thPassenger on Jun 07, 2012, 07:35:03 PM
It's now been a week since I saw Prometheus. I left the theater with mixed feelings about the film, but gave it a score of 3/5. Now, what's interesting that I haven't thought about the film at all after that. It had no lasting effect, and it didn't really engage me on any deeper level. Which is fine. Most movies I see are like that. I still give Prometheus the same score. It was visually wonderful, and there were many good moments.

I guess I'm just a bit disappointed that the movie was just OK. I feel like it had so much more potential, but was watered down to make money. Which, again, I understand. It was a big investment and has to make a profit. So it has to cater to a wide audience. But for me, there were many elements in the film I really didn't care for. First and foremost, I didn't like the grand idea of the Jockeys creating us humans. Ever since I heard that the movie was about that, I was pretty sure I wouldn't like it that much.

See, I have nothing against big ideas. I have an academic background. I think about things. But I cannot force myself to think that a movie is "deep" or "intellectual", just because it suggests that we were created by blue giants with some black goo. We weren't. I'm pretty sure of that. So I don't find that whole theme particularly interesting. Instead, I would rather read a scientific book about various theories about the origins of life on earth, and watch a movie about something else. A good movie, preferably.

But just because the movie has themes I personally don't like, it doesn't mean the movie is bad. And Prometheus wasn't. But I felt that toying with these big ideas took something away from the story and characters, and those things are really important to me in a film. The characters have to seem like real people in a real situation, or else I'm not really that impressed. Unless the film is a comedy, in which case unrealistic behavior is very much accepted. In Prometheus, a lot of the dialogue and how the characters responded to situations just didn't feel right to me, and as a result all the grand ideas, horror moments and great visuals kinda lost their point. The noose didn't get tighter around anybody's neck. The movie did try to get deeper by revealing Weyland's presence and Vickers' relationship with him, but for me that was pretty much pointless. Were we supposed to be shocked, or surprised? Or to care? I didn't. The're we're just too many overlapping things going on, that the film didn't really have time to properly focus on any of them.

So, I didn't mind the fact Prometheus wasn't a strict prequel to Alien, or that it didn't explain the origins of the xenos in full detail. I can, and gladly use my imagination. But what ultimately made this film just an OK one, was that it didn't get under my skin. There was no atmosphere.


Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Hubbs on Jun 07, 2012, 08:42:15 PM
"'Prometheus' is not an 'Alien' prequel. It's not. I'm just saying that. I will say that now. It's not an 'Alien' prequel."

Errr love you Jeremy but yes it is, its a film setting up the origins of the alien creature and showing you who the 'space jockeys' are. The alien creature is created within this film, the sequel will explore more and maybe the third film will tie everything all together. Not a prequel directly to 'Alien' but a prequel to the Alien story.

See this as the new Star Wars prequel setup, we have the classic trilogy and now we are hopefully gonna get the new prequel setup which will link all the events together. Could be wrong but to leave it as it is would be foolish Mr Scott.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Zeta Reticuli on Jun 07, 2012, 08:57:39 PM
this movie was the biggest disappointment ever. most of the stuff that's happening is not explained in any way and the stuff that is supposed to make sense is scientific bullshit. this leaves no rational foundation for anything in the movie. it was just a sequence of totally random stuff happening mixed with ridiculous, incomprehensible character behaviour and ZERO character development. Fassbenders great performance was totally wasted here.

this movie took everything ALIEN stands for and pissed all over it.
great visuals my ass.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on Jun 07, 2012, 09:03:30 PM
Quote from: Zeta Reticuli on Jun 07, 2012, 08:57:39 PM
this movie was the biggest disappointment ever. most of the stuff that's happening is not explained in any way and the stuff that is supposed to make sense is scientific bullshit. this leaves no rational foundation for anything in the movie. it was just a sequence of totally random stuff happening mixed with ridiculous, incomprehensible character behaviour and ZERO character development. Fassbenders great performance was totally wasted here.

this movie took everything ALIEN stands for and pissed all over it.
great visuals my ass.

But Shaw and David 8 were pretty much had the most character development.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Zeta Reticuli on Jun 07, 2012, 09:21:47 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 07, 2012, 09:03:30 PM
Quote from: Zeta Reticuli on Jun 07, 2012, 08:57:39 PM
this movie was the biggest disappointment ever. most of the stuff that's happening is not explained in any way and the stuff that is supposed to make sense is scientific bullshit. this leaves no rational foundation for anything in the movie. it was just a sequence of totally random stuff happening mixed with ridiculous, incomprehensible character behaviour and ZERO character development. Fassbenders great performance was totally wasted here.

this movie took everything ALIEN stands for and pissed all over it.
great visuals my ass.

But Shaw and David 8 were pretty much had the most character development.

Spoiler
at the end of the movie, Shaw is still a "believer" and even worse than that: she does not hesitate and still is eager to find the same "answers" she had been searching for the whole time. the stuff that happened to Shaw could have very well lead to a change in her point of view and changed her character, but in fact, it didn't.
David also has been searching for knowledge the whole time while at the same time having to serve his human masters. the only thing thats different in the end of the movie is that he no longer has to follow Weylands orders to work in secrecy and doesn't have to do "unethical" stuff to his crewmates. so now that his master is gone, he has to obey the last human survivor. that's, at best, "forced" character development.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on Jun 07, 2012, 09:29:53 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Jun 07, 2012, 12:44:24 PM
the movie has great ideas that really break new ground
I really doesn't. There's nothing new in any of it.

Unless you mean for the series.

Quote from: Darkness on Jun 07, 2012, 03:35:49 PM
But it is an Alien prequel whether you like it or not. Are you saying it's not canon?
I'm saying I really cannot be assed caring about what is or isn't "canon" any more.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 07, 2012, 10:51:41 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 07, 2012, 12:40:06 PM
Spoiler
Got back an hour and a half ago from it. Was going to write some lengthy review, but here's my short version instead:

"DAVID! WE ARE LEAVING!"

Said very much ala Hicks in Aliens.

I was never looking forward to the idea of an Alien prequel. I didn't see the point. Frankly, I still don't, all things considered. The answer to the question of "What's the Space Jockey" is, as David says of Shaw's question at the end of the movie, irrelevant. There is a big dead alien thing in a chair. Creepy. But the real star is what's in the hold; the Jockey, and its relation to the Alien, is entirely irrelevant to one's understanding or appreciation of Alien.

So to all those people calling those who were unimpressed, disappointed, even outright upset by how Prometheus turned out, I have this to say:

Haters gonna make some good points.

Many of which I don't agree with.

f**k all y'all, I enjoyed it. A classic? No. Alien? Sheeeeit, no. A welcome big-budget antidote to Avatar? Yes.

Its pace is awkward, it gets flabby in the middle,
Spoiler
why the f**k does no-one even think to look for what Shaw did with her squid baby, seriously, and no "They were waking up Weyland" is not a valid f**king reason to not look for the mutated alien spawn that David at least knew was somewhere and two other people were knocked out over
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, and holy shit those last eight minutes were the dumbest f**king thing they could possibly have done to finish short of Nyan cat herself swooping in to whisk the survivor(s) off to Neverland, but it does not try to "out-epic" itself, there's only one real plot hole
Spoiler
SERIOUSLY, NO ONE EVEN LOOKED FOR THE THING? VICKERS NEVER WENT BACK TO HER POD? WHAT IN GOD'S NAME IS WRONG WITH EVERYONE?!
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, there's exactly one unanswered question that the sequel needs to answer
Spoiler
Why did they change their minds?
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and its visuals in 3D more than justify a trip to see it in theaters at least once.

The cinema fan in me liked it as an experience, and as a big-budget sci-fi that wasn't as useless as Avatar. The sci-fi fan liked the pretty visuals. And the Alien fan somehow found it in himself to get over the fact the Jockey is a dude in a suit. Honestly, that never bothered me while watching it, and thinking back, it still doesn't.

I'll dislike it the more I watch it on DVD. It's inevitable; the film held up for its visuals and its spectacle. But it's not terrible. It's not brilliant, when certainly it could have been, but f**k it:

It's better than Alien Resurrection.

And a better movie than Alien3, which isn't hard, production problems, yadda yadda.

Of the series, I'd rank it nowhere. It's not part of it. It's a spinoff, for me. It's its own thing. And it's just dandy like that as far as I'm concerned.
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Avatar left a horrid taste in my mouth that I hope will be washed off with Prometheus.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on Jun 07, 2012, 11:10:15 PM
cmon...avatar is just a pocahontas story with blue people on a distant planet
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: redalert51 on Jun 08, 2012, 12:21:33 AM
I personally liked it , with no expectation of being a prequel to " Alien " . Sadly it cannot be done , Alien stands alone in cinema
history with a lot of clones sinces. I watch it in 3D ( it is great idea , that some cinema complexes have both 2D& 3D ) and looked
great . I enjoyed Prometheus but as said earlier if have you have not seen it , see as nothing to do with Alien ,it is had approach
to have when earlier it was going to be prequel and then not , if I am correct this is around about 2010 , it was announced as a
Ridley Scott's foray back into Sci Fi , Horror .
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on Jun 08, 2012, 12:38:35 AM
i'll give a 8/10 to this movie the character development and the build up is lacking in some parts but the ideas and the questions that it presents are cool and there are great actors and great performances
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 08, 2012, 01:35:48 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 07, 2012, 09:29:53 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Jun 07, 2012, 12:44:24 PM
the movie has great ideas that really break new ground
I really doesn't. There's nothing new in any of it.

New or original doesnt equal good. Or bad. Alien was the best example of that. Its the presentation and context of ideas that make a difference. I think Prometheus did extremely well with subjects of ufo alien life creators, alien bioweapons created via dna strands (idea used in Species for example) and brought a very unique and unexpected backstory to the Jockey. No one expected the guy to be an engineer of life in a suit

It couldve been so cheesy and so old, yet it felt new, fresh and inviting
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Ballzanya on Jun 08, 2012, 01:46:34 AM
Quote from: szkoki on Jun 07, 2012, 11:10:15 PM
cmon...avatar is just a pocahontas story with blue people on a distant planet

It was just a live action version of "Fern Gully", and I liked that movie as a kid.  ;D
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 08, 2012, 01:56:15 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Jun 08, 2012, 01:46:34 AM
Quote from: szkoki on Jun 07, 2012, 11:10:15 PM
cmon...avatar is just a pocahontas story with blue people on a distant planet

It was just a live action version of "Fern Gully", and I liked that movie as a kid.  ;D

I dont see how the two can be compared. One is a family friendly jungle adventure movie that was first taken and greenlit by Disney, the other one is a standard, complex scifi movie. Its like talking about Body of Lies and Hook
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 08, 2012, 02:22:56 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 08, 2012, 01:56:15 AM
One is a family friendly jungle adventure movie that was first taken and greenlit by Disney, the other one is a standard, complex scifi movie.
Fern Gully ain't sci-fi man! Or complex :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 08, 2012, 02:31:35 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 08, 2012, 02:22:56 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 08, 2012, 01:56:15 AM
One is a family friendly jungle adventure movie that was first taken and greenlit by Disney, the other one is a standard, complex scifi movie.
Fern Gully ain't sci-fi man! Or complex :laugh:

"the other one" I meant Prometheus. Avatar was actually taken to Disney and greenlit there, then Fox convinced Cameron to come back to them

Anyway, just watched Fox news, they were talking about what movies come out tomorrow and described Prometheus as "good movie but with some plotholes"
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: DeadW8 on Jun 08, 2012, 03:05:20 AM
Intro... skip for plot specifics for movie description
i am really really really amazed and in shock most of u guys seemed to like it. i read the whole thread these past two hours after watching prometheus and I really cant explain how i feel about it and if i flatout hate it, cause in a way i really do, but i feel most of all, cheated, that this was a shameless money grab and that it was a big f**k u to alien fans and audiences in general.
That this was a movie that should never been made period.
I was afraid i was gonna go like "this guy is too old for this shit", ridley i mean, i love alien and blade runner (2 of my fav films of all time) i like legend and i like black hawk down a lot. Gladiator has been too long since i seen it and I fell asleep in the theatre watching kingdom of heaven i literally thought it was the most boring f**king movie ever. and what i heard from robin wood didnt make me wanna see it. and btw i love hearing this guy talk in the extras and i had a lot of respect for him but well not anymore it seems. And how that connects to my love of "Alien" 1 i think is what enraged me the most... details furthrer on.
Now then i wasnt gonna write too much as i normally do specially when frustrated and by what i already wrote i thought id be going absolutely mad on a rant rage... if ur still reading prepare for a synopsys of my day, its a description of how i felt the whole day jinxing my hype and replacing it with a sort of "i knew it" till i finally sat down to see the damn thing, cause it makes sense in the context of evaluating the FUN o meter in this movie. Yes i watched avp1 at random today i didnt even knew i was gonna watch prometheus today...And i guess i might offend a lotta people tastes cause ill say also which movies i saw earlier these last few months starting with the thing remake and how i thiink they fared against this. I already said too much i hope someone replies... cause otherwise heres my rant about it without trying to touch on things everyone already said unless i find necessary.

oh crap where to start? well it was sorta of a crappy day to begin with and this movie was the punch line. that and avp and how i felt both were so similar and empty. i was uber pumped since the last 2 weeks or so but then i started watching trailers and analazing the movie trying to put the pieces of the trailer in place. The last time i did that or ever was in cloverfield and i was so happy this movie seemed it had so many mysteries to tackle. I was dead wrong. and btw ive seen alien close to a 100 times with no exageration. There were whole months that all id see before sleep was either alien or aliens. i know each ones flaws imo like the back of my hand. and now im gonna watch prometheus again (a screener online) so i can really put the final nail in the coffin. that also didnt happen to me in a loooong time... having to watch the movie a second time just to be sure of my negative reaction of it.

PLOT specifics and yes of course SPOILERS

well when the movie started i was going like cool this planet seems like earth tho, i thought, then now i read that it wasnt the planet, that that was earth. i was thinking it was trying to mean something deep like this planet seems like ours, strange isnt it? well its earth but im still not sure of that... still it was like terminator salvation i was like this isnt how i pictured the f**king planet that i see in alien1 kinda like when u see t4 and think the whole war on the future should be blue like aliens and kinda like alien. I was going like hmmmm this isnt the intro i wanted tho i already knew that was the intro reading online and then the aphex of that feeling was seeing the blue guy and i was like... shit doesnt look cool at all. then he dies in a kinda cool way but i wished he didnt fell into the water fall and that u could see the decomposing a bit better, felt kinda offscreen and btw im not a morbid gore fanatic. still it felt kidna omnious and full of mystery but Alien and Aliens intro was way better imo... Predator1 n 2 intro also seemed cooler to me and so did avp2. Those were way sillier for sure but they set me up for what i got and made me pumped just with music and a letter font. This intro kinda did too but it ultimately seemed to mean nothing when the movie was over so i wouldave sticked with the old cool logo in space or the cliche EVERYTHINGS GOING TO HELL, we'll show u how much later on, or just the old like "some hs before the incident" and then u go back to how they got there. The logo was also cool with the whole dna thing made me think they were gonna go deeper into that... AND MOST OF ALL... i think it shouldnt be broad daylight and THEY SHOULDNT show u the lamo imo engineers right from the get go.

Then the avp1 feeling started to show up... all i could think of was the italian guy pulling the pepsi cola cap. less chessy, yes but felt outta place having the characters find some mumbo jumbo on earth for 1 minute. I dont think the alien series should ever show u how earth is and and i was already getting afraid about the whole mood of the movie, the color pallete, if it was too desaturated like movies are these days and how these two characters from the get go seemed so much more interesting in the trailers, and how they seemed to me right from the get go very bland and generic. Like avp.
Moving on to the the explanation of the mission once again very much like avp1 and then the ship at last. The ship is awesome but not nearly as awesome as nostromo or the colony in aliens. same goes for the rest of the planet and ships. The prometheus reminded me of avatar but lot less cooler tho it seemed more colorful in a way. I also couldnt get much past the point how pristine it was compared to nostromo considering this was earlier but well that was 30years ago and this is now but still i thought the ship shouldave looked scarier. Still one of the coolest sets ive seen in years but not used as it should. I thought it just tried to go the uh... "Halo" route in a way. The helmet the replicant was using was pathetic and the space suits were kinda cool but felt like B movie ish in a way and tron like too. Which for me would be a good thing but i thought they could be much cooler. Daft punk still look cooler than them in those space suits and so did every character in tron.
But it was a nice setup there with the robot which i already knew from the viral that he was messed up in the head and that loneliness implied by having him watch the movie alone, have a crush on noomi (kinda like ash for ripley) the ball court in a bicicle. it all felt like a nice variation of the crew waking up in alien. Still nowhere as cool but almost there. It killed the mystery of the character in the way, by watching that u knew that he was gonna do something stupid and bad somewhere. And the flashback somehow killed it for me in terms of thinking her character was gonna be deep. Its always the old my dad my mom my brother got me into this obcession about this. Im kinda sick of that explanation of things in movies its like old kung fu or shit... We gotta fight cause hes my old brother. Im really sick of ppl thinking adding dead family members alone can add anything deep for the motivations of any character... unless its done in a good way. I dont think it was. Then the crew... more unmemorable than any bald guy in alien3 with no names (btw i love alien3).

After a while they land on the planet like it was nothing after for what i understood it was a 2 year sleep and the jock points right there at the light rays like they land on the f**king planet and they are already on top of the find literally, how lucky was that? Then they go inside the cave. Well it had some cool sets but still no where as cool as any of the sets in prior alien movies. Actually imo the worst. Its a f**king cave. Almost no bones or tech on it just like black rock for a few exceptions. The planet itself also looks like shit its bland, should be at night i think, and there should be a icon of what they find there and for me that fat guy that was rejected for the original dune didnt cut it. I was like awesome they finally got that concept art somewhere but it wasnt such a cool design to begin with and not the best thing to look at when u arrive and want to be in awe. A dusty fat round buddha with no detail at all. The tubes or urns arent anywhere as cool as facehugger eggs and that room while it was cool and there was a wall there that was pretty giger like and awesome (or was it in other room) i dunno and once again that huge face that isnt all that cool and its a bad reveal of a bad designed character. The room looks cool yes but wouldnt u feel it was forced if there was a room with a giant xeno face in the first one? A xeno face would look way cooler but still, it woulda revealed the character too soon for A SECOND TIME. on a cooler point tho it seems like a sorta micheal myers thing, like u know a blank face, pale and devoid of emotion which is what the xenos kinda are and the engineers were also portraied like that, there was something human about them and that in a way was what made them scarier. anyway if u wanted to show something show like a huge engineer mask. it would look cooler in posters in the set and it wouldnt spoil the fact that these guys are like the aliens in stargate or that pink guy in green lantern.

Then shit starts to happen and oh is it underwhelming. worms. great. mutated worms. U got the most iconic and original monsters ever and u start with f**king worms. then the movie cut off for a break i went for a cigar and when i came back the thing was already jumping out someones eye socket that i dont remember who it was.
Ah heck this is pointless... to keep describing such an unmemorable movie... but ill digress further.
By this time the whole sense of mystery i love so much in alien and aliens and in all predators was gone. The whole like "wtf is going on and what is going to happen". The characters never said they were afraid minus the later to be zombie guy, they never have this feeling of forebodding and neither does the movie. It doesnt have the looking at both ships in utter sillence (or wind) like in alien1 or the wtf happened here like when u get to the colony in aliens or something like the skinned corpses in predator. You know the whole piecing the elements of what is about to bump out in the dark, how it operates what does it do to people and so on. It didnt have the typical scene where dallas says the origin of the signal is unknown or billy in pred going like this doesnt make any sense. That whole act that is supposed to make u go OOOOOH ur in some deep shit and u have no ideia why and how. That was what i loved the most about the mystery in those movies was how the characters reacted to those situations They going like what do u think it is that caused this...These guys on the other hand seem like they have a deathwish all the f**king time. And btw when characters die u totally dont care. When Kane died you barely saw him but somehow u cared, and u cared for all the others and u kinda got sad you were seeing a good character die. It can be said they arent that deep in the first movie but they are well defined. Which isnt exactly the case here imo.

Well skipping to the "birth" scene i thought it was one of the highlights of the movie, i thought it was suspenseful and creative, actually the only scary part in it or the only "edge of your seat moment" in it. well i got scared 4 times i gotta be honest. Right at the begining when the engineer screams, the exploding head, and i cant recall the rest sorry. The birth scene wasnt scary but it was suspensful and intense. It was so intense imo that till it ended it made me forget how easily the replicant let her go and how she operated that shit easily and it seemed no one else was on the ship at that time. And shit im gonna talk of the end of the movie... It sucked. There was no action at all in the movie, all plot points seemed irrelevant specially with the plot holes, u had so many ppl to die,  only to die uninspired deaths, and damn i hated the engineers. IT WAS ONE OF THE WORST designs i saw for a character ever. at first i was like ok a bit but the more i think of it the lamer it seems. First of all they shouldnt look human tho i get why they made em that way. Second they should be as we remembered, like a boney space elephant. They should always have the masks on and if not those masks should be their faces. it wouldave been even cooler if they could disguise as humans or the engineers on that planet were that way, more human, cause of some weird experimentation they did on themselves and therefore they were cut and isolated from the rest of the race cause they were seen as freaks. Then at the end the noomi engineer fight the more i think of it the more i think of jason X. less cooler. A lot less. Its like a dumb blue dude with some tech armor on. Its like really, u have leatherface, myers, jason, freddy, pinhead as those types of still human slashers... and then this. Of all of those i can surely say counting pinhead out, this design seemed to had a lot more effort than those i mentioned. But it was all it seemed to me a douche bag jason voorhees without a mask and some generic gears of war armor. U got squids, worms, infected people and engineers and they all look very uninspired. And u have all this shit that could be used as a threat but they never ever do. They show up once to just have their forgettable moment and theyre never used again. So many monsters and so little action HOW THE f**k IS THAT POSSIBLE? Maybe director is a snob or maybe the script is just flatout unfinished. anyways their designs werent bad but when u got xenos and preds as the benchmark and the original space jockey its like... is this the best u could think of for monster designs? some really generic shit with overproduced values?

Then there is no climax at there isnt a fight, there isnt an escape like alien or aliens for 20 mins, there only lots of exposition that leads to nothing but a ending that reminded me of avp2, say some chessy corny shit and look into the sky...Credits. NAWT... BUT OH WAIT WHAT COULD IT BE? a xeno. a proto xeno or whatever it is. U HAD A WHOLE f**kING MOVIE and in the end u tease me with a xeno BUT its still like ridley is afiraid of going back knowing it couldnt match the accidental genius of the first so... Its a new type of xeno so he can just say ITS NOT THE ALIEN i told u this wasnt an "Alien" movie. UR DEFINELTY RIGHT IT ISNT..  the new alien well, I thought it looked ok... looked kinda like some mignola hplovecraft creature. AND DAMN ME if i didnt know that was the end of the movie. I thought if they do that the movie is kinda saved for me... if they show a xeno right at the end that would be a great punch line...but by that point i was already like "i dont give a shit" SO DAMN I got a lotta shit to read here before i post, i hope it isnt the longest review out here and final thoughts on this piece a crap before i go watch it again or alien3


It looked ok, but i dont see what is there so much special in visuals of it... i mean i do, but the designs of both monsters and sets are ur typical sci fi stuff. Avatar looked better to me.

Story didnt make much sense so much stuff u could pick up to give awesome twists throughout the movie AND NONE were f**kING USED, i could make a list all night about all that stuff, why did wickers need that medlabshit, how does that squidhugger thing work bla bla bla

Many pointless scenes, characters, mysteries, and addition of lotsa crap for no aparent reason that doesnt add shit and actually imo takes away some of the mystery and why the xenos were cool in the first place. Why have some many new monsters when they are WAAAAAY worse than the previous creatures and most of all they dont have any importance to the story. felt like filler but so did the whole movie.
There's no action, no mystery therefore no fun.

THE WORST ALIEN MOVIE I SAW TO DATE. I love the first 4 and now that i saw this im gonna say ALIENS is my fav.
Alien is the best in mystery and suspense,
Aliens is the best in action and visuals
Alien3 is the best in characters and drama,
Alien4 is the best in being all out comic book in ur face style, the least subtle of them all.

and now for the contorversial part... AVP1 n 2 are waaaaaaaay better than this shit
i saw underworld4 and the thing remake some months ago i left the theatre mad AND STILL they were less offensive than this. They had way less depth in concept and execution AND STILL were way more fun that this.
i know some of u will say this guy is dumb all he wants is monsters and blood. Well wrong. But not having that for the sake of trying to be something....snobbish or pretentious is just... its like the first movie was trying to get away from the B movie cliches and it was somewhat low budget from what i know. i find it ironic. I also find ironic how can it mimic avp1 so much and still do worse.
This piece a shit PRETENTCEUS is a flat out b movie, and its not unlike shit id see on sci fi channel.
The biggest flaw it has? ITS f**kING BORING. You have so much going for it and they render it all useless it f**ks up the canon AND MOST OF ALL bottom line the reason im the most upset with this movie is....besides being more shallow than avp1 and 2 combined (those two are dumber if u will but they are fun and they in a way do what they set out to do)
this just shits on the canon, shits on ridleys reputation, stains my notion of genius of Alien and its like... if fans f**ked up the avp movies THE FATHER of alien f**ked alien himself. If the original director f**ked it up what hope is in this franchise? for producers and the likes... I mean theres lotsa hope still... Cameron i think could still deliver. self-Assumed b movies with lots of action could still do something for it. Creature features as u will... cause this was what this was... a bad one.

U dont try to explain what happened prior after 30 years, f**k it all up, f**k the canon, f**k ur reputation that bad and add lots of confusing things that have no point existing in this universe. If people were concerned avp was some godzilla vs kingkong stuff... well then... what is this? ppl go into a planet silly monsters attack that have no depth at all minus engineers and still they were SO SO f**king shallow compared to what they couldave been, they made those guys into some other slasher that isnt memorable like those old 80s slahsers cause everytime he was on screen he had no personality whatsoever. What they thought for them as a race is still cool but when u see it walking around being an asshole, MORE THAN AN ASSHOLE than the preds in avp1...well...this was for me the biggest fox f**kup ever. Its worse than the starwars prequels, worse than avp1 (cause i do like avp2 in its slasher campy way and ill be damned if i cant say that the last 30 mins of avp are much more entertaining then this crap always in a rush to be totally pointless). When i walked out of avp1 in 2004 i was angry as shit... when this movie ended today i was just like... broken. At least theres a good point about it. it made the avps seem like masterpieces in comparsion. and unlike avp even if the movie was bad i could buy the toys... this... i dont even know if id like a proto xeno figure. Predators to me is my dream sequel so far in terms of sequels i thought id never see.
RR signing off... going to my criosleep where this movie doesnt belong to the series... and where im no longer a survivor of the nostromo... only hadleys hope from now on to me since this scar will take years to heal so i can watch blade runner and alien again with the same eyes i did before i saw this revival that almost killed it for me.

P.s sorry for long rant, i had to get it out of my system and theres so much i didnt cover belive me.



Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on Jun 08, 2012, 03:07:42 AM
Maybe the movie is not as bad as some fans say it is.

Prometheus is indeed a flawed movie but most people enjoyed it anyway.

Star Wars episode 1 had the same effect on the fans.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 03:25:28 AM
Oddly enough, I think Episode One was the most Star Wars of the prequel trilogy.....the next two were absolute shitwith a couple of interesting sequences.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Jun 08, 2012, 03:28:53 AM
I always thought Episode 1 had a very simple, child's-adventure type of story, a la the original Star Wars, but instead told and executed very, very poorly.

Just looking at some of the child actors passed up for Anakin - Haley Joel Osment and Michael Angarano from Haywire and Red State among them - in favor of a monosyllabic, dry and wooden George Lucas surrogate indicates only one aspect of how badly they f**ked up what could have potentially worked.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eva on Jun 08, 2012, 06:35:43 AM
Lucad decided to shoot Star Wars EI with as few sets as possible in exchange for CGI backdrops and CGI characters and it shows. The only scenes that emit that feeling of the cast actually interacting/reacting to their surroundings are some of the Tatooine scenes.

I can't for the life of me figure out his decisionsmaking as a storyteller or director with the prequel films, but there's no denying his nose for business. If anything, Prometheus is a prime example how much more convincing real sets are over CGI sets. Everything in the film looks absolutely real, outside a couple of creature effects.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on Jun 08, 2012, 06:37:58 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 08, 2012, 01:35:48 AM
New or original doesnt equal good. Or bad. Alien was the best example of that.
I meant "No it doesn't" in response to "breaks new ground". Sorry if that didn't come across clearly.

QuoteIt couldve been so cheesy and so old, yet it felt new, fresh and inviting
I wish I agreed. I don't think it was cheesy or old, it just didn't do a single damned interesting thing with it.

This is all subjective, obviously.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ChrisPachi on Jun 08, 2012, 06:56:30 AM
Quote from: DeadW8 on Jun 08, 2012, 03:05:20 AMTHE WORST ALIEN MOVIE I SAW TO DATE.

You didn't like it then? ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Spidey3121 on Jun 08, 2012, 07:10:10 AM
My mind is too blown to write a full review. I cannot understand all the hate this film is getting. I, along with 4 of the 5 friends i saw it with, loved it. So insanely intense. OMG. I definitely plan on seeing it again. And there better be a f**king sequel!!
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Alienseseses on Jun 08, 2012, 07:25:42 AM
Well, I just saw it.
I went with 4 friends. Two hated it, one I couldn't decipher, and one called it 'interesting.'

I kind of loved it. It made no sense, nothing was explained, it's entirely composed of loose ends. And I appreciated that. I feel that no answer can be better than an unsatisfying one.

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And it isn't a prequel, not really. It doesn't necessarily set up Alien in any way, it's more of an expander. For all we know, the Alien was already fully developed as a creature at this point, and the derelict we know from Alien crashed eons ago. This is more of a look at what the Jockey was, and instead of telling us, it asks us to think about it.
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It would be futile to try and list every thing that isn't explained. But it does feel like an explanation exists that we don't know. My friends who hated it disliked that it refused to answer anything. I was more focused on the characters, and their stories. I thought it was very well done. My third favorite Alien film.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eidotemit on Jun 08, 2012, 07:37:49 AM
In short: I liked it.

The movie was visually very well crafted, and shot. Even though all the tech was less industrial than what was in Alien, it still felt very natural to that universe (especially for a vessel that wasn't meant for an industrial purpose).

I think David could easily be seen as the star of the show, I thought Michael Fassbender did a fantastic job. I also was very relieved that Shaw was her own character, and not another version of Ripley. I will say though that the overall cast did feel a bit bloated, and that outside of the principals, the others could have been easily scrapped. Prometheus should have had a projected crew of 10, rather than 17.

The overall premise though, I really enjoyed, confusing though it may have been. I was admittedly very pessimistic about the premise of visiting and exploring the Engineers; however I was very pleased with the direction they took, and how they went about it. I do miss the mystery of the giant Space Jockey from Alien, but only because there is an answer, not because of what that answer was.

I would have to say my biggest gripe about the movie is I found a noticeable lack of tension. I think this is in part of the score, and more that there wasn't a clear threat pursuing that cast. With the alien series, there was a sense that no matter where they were, they were never really safe. In prometheus, there was a good sense of having a safe zone. When I thought this safe zone was going to be violated, it never was. I guess that I'm saying is it didn't really "feel" like an alien movie. THis really isn't the movies fault though, as I don't think Ridley and Damon could have stressed more that, while clearly attached to alien, it was its own movie. I think it is a very good movie on its own, and it is also a decent addition to the alien franchise.

I look forward to the sequel to this movie, and answers to some of the questions this movie set up (second biggest complaint: too much set up for a sequel, not self contained enough).

3.5/5
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: DemonicD13 on Jun 08, 2012, 07:40:03 AM
AWESOME
For me an 4/5.

Spoilers

A few gripes, since it is faster to list the things that bugged me versus the things I liked. One, actually the only one that really bugged me was how Shaw's birth was seemingly just forgotten. On a side note I'm a VetTech and though I have never been in a human surgery, it didn't seem right. With any animal when we do abdominal incision we have to suture the muscle, subcutaneous, and then staple the skin. Shaw just got her skin stapled, maybe human surgery is different (but I doubt it). I can live with the staples though; I know the movie had to keep moving. The other issue for me is that the technology just seemed to far removed from what we see in Alien and Aliens. But I am willing to overlook this as well. I just wished someone would have been curious about Shaw.

Concerned Crewmember: What the f#@K happened to you Shaw?
Shaw: I just had a squid surgically removed from my uterus!
Concerned Crewmember: A what!? Sweet Jesus you need to lay down.

But I loved the rest and I even loved the creatures even the squid facehugger (I do have a thing for Lovecraft though). Oh, I even liked the 3D, heck even my wife liked the 3D and that's something that never happens.

God this movie rocked, now I am stuck waiting for Prometheus 2. Well I'll have Prometheus and Aliens: Colonial Marines to keep me busy.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 07:53:45 AM
Just back. I don't know what to think. I don't have a million questions like everyone else. There are two HUGE glaring mistakes that replay in my head, and the design of the proto-alien at the end was absolutely ridiculous. That's the best they could come up with? Seriously?

I don't know what to think. I would say I enjoyed the second half more then the first. That 'creation of life' sequence' was hardly noteworthy at all.

Collating....collating....
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 08, 2012, 07:55:09 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 07:53:45 AM
Collating....collating....
This was what I was doing as the credits rolled and the lights came up. My fiance was like, are we going or what?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Yona on Jun 08, 2012, 08:03:41 AM
The more I think about it, the more it grows on me. Fastest two hours ever in a theater. Really felt like part one of a TV "mini-series", perhaps purposely.  First post, BTW
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ChrisPachi on Jun 08, 2012, 08:03:50 AM
We were in the back row, and a guy a few seats down from us shouted "f**k" then jumped his seat and stormed out. :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 08:09:28 AM
I still don't know what to think......I've never seen anything like it before however, despite its connection to ALIEN. It all went by so fast.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 08, 2012, 08:10:43 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 08:09:28 AM
I've never seen anything like it before.
Is that good or bad, or both?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ChrisPachi on Jun 08, 2012, 08:11:20 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 08:09:28 AMIt all went by so fast.

A big part of the problem I would suggest. A bad screenplay that tried to cram in too many ideas.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 08:13:21 AM
Ah...no....there's just so much going on....oh...and I'm still betting Vickers is a bot.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: fiveways on Jun 08, 2012, 08:14:56 AM
I liked it quite a bit.  You can tell they tried to edit it to be PG-13 and just couldn't.  hopefully it will gain some suspense in its home video version.

Still I found way less plot holes then most.  It's a movie they all have plot holes in them.  And I am sure some peoples plot holes will be explained if a sequel is made.

But it passed time and was quite fun.  I think I have way lower expectations because I will watch the uncut version, and not bother looking at anything related to it till Prometheus 2 comes out. 

I'm also a big fan of bigger universes.  That one just got huge.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 08:17:55 AM
The  two glaring issues I have.....number one....Fifield and the other bloke get lost but they have a holographic 3D map on the ship and they could tell them how to get out???

Shaw has a C section and then suddenly everyone is cool with her???? No one is after her? The fu€k?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 08, 2012, 08:20:06 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 08:17:55 AM
The  two glaring issues I have.....number one....Fifield and the other bloke get lost but they have a holographic 3D map on the ship and they could tell them how to get out???

Shaw has a C section and then suddenly everyone is cool with her???? No one is after her? The fu€k?
It's like the Prometheus crew just ignored their video feed  ???

And yeah, Ford gets her ass kicked and says something about. Nobody even cares about the creature onboard. Shaw says nothing, David's like, "whatever"
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jun 08, 2012, 08:31:18 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 08, 2012, 08:20:06 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 08:17:55 AM
The  two glaring issues I have.....number one....Fifield and the other bloke get lost but they have a holographic 3D map on the ship and they could tell them how to get out???

Shaw has a C section and then suddenly everyone is cool with her???? No one is after her? The fu€k?
It's like the Prometheus crew just ignored their video feed  ???


That's not the best part, the best part is when Janek calls them and asks them where they are because of the ping and Milburn replies with a grid position. At this moment i must have done the loudest facepalm ever, i should have gotten a world record. How can you get lost when you can call out grid positions?

How can this gotten through all the different drafts of a script, be read by actors, the director, and actually shot and no one said, "Hey.... how can these two get lost with this line being spoken, ignoring the fact that there is also a map back at Prometheus." This is why my facepalm was so loud.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: AmazSpiderMan1 on Jun 08, 2012, 08:34:53 AM
I honestly can say I hated the movie. I didn't like the reveal of what the Space Jockey's were, the continuity made absolutely no sense, the characters were flat and one dimensional, the plot lines jumbled together with virtually no resolution, and the music took away any ounce of suspense I might have felt. The trailers are better than the actual film, and I wanted to like this movie. I really really did. It just bothered me so much how little it made sense, and tried to fit in the "Alien" Universe when it clearly should have just been an unrelated project. When the credits started to roll I just felt like crap, saying, "Um...that's it? That's the movie? Oh. Ok...."

It's just my opinion, and I'm trying real hard right now to find some thread that makes me see new meaning in what I just watched, but it's just not a very good movie. I feel like it even hurts the original "Alien" in some way, knowing Shaw and David's severed head are flying a space jockey ship somewhere while the Nostromo is tugging along. Ugh. It's just so wrong. I'm going to have a hard time sleeping tonight over this movie.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MasCot on Jun 08, 2012, 09:01:44 AM
Hello, my good people, long-time lurker here!

After reading a few fan reviews, my expectations were very low, but the movie turned out be a pleasant surprise. There were things that I disliked, but oh well...:)

I would rate it 7.5/10.

I would rate it as the third best movie in the Alien franchise, even though this is hardly an Alien film.

Spoiler

THE BAD
- not enough character moments, I agree that a lot of dialogue must have been cut
- too many underused characters, less would have been more
- sometimes the characters acted stupidly... e.g. when the Juggernaut crashed and started rolling, why didn't Vickers and Shaw run sideways or at least diagonally, instead of letting the wreckage 'chase' them?
- Weyland LOOKED like an actor in heavy make-up
- the Weyland-David-Vickers triangle should have played a much more prominent role in the story
- the film seemed like the 'Little Shop of Horrors of the Engineers', monster after monster... once again, less would have been more, but I guess the monster was the black goo
- unless the Alien's cousin will be in the sequel, it was really unnecesarry to feature him at the end of this movie
- the ending felt rushed, another five minutes wouldn't have hurt...


THE GOOD
- I was surprised how I much I liked the overall concept, the 'Alien connection' even felt a bit superfluous to the story... even though I hate Daniken's theories in real life and I am an Alien fan:)
- I liked that the story was mysterious (I enjoyed Indy 4, but I think one of the faults of that movie was that it treated viewers like idiots)
- the mood of the film was brilliant IMO, it was beautifully shot
- I really liked the core characters: Shaw, David, Janek and even Vickers
- the Engineer designs looked surprisingly good
- the main musical themes worked for me


What could have made the film better IMO?
- more dialogue to make us care more about the characters
- perhaps more scenes on the ship Prometheus
- more emphasis on Weyland-Vickers-David
- I think Shaw's religiosity should have been heavily contrasted with Weyland's God complex
- increase the role of Vickers
- lose Holloway and increase the role of Janek, because although I liked Holloway, he was ultimately useless for the story, I mean what did he really do?
- lose the Fifield-zombie and introduce the frozen Engineer earlier
- lose the Alien's cousin... but I guess the Alien fandom would have rebelled :P

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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Ballzanya on Jun 08, 2012, 09:03:25 AM
Well, I just got back from seeing it a la the midnight showing. Strap yourself in folks, this is going to be a long-ass review.  ;D
  I don't know where to start really. As soon as it finished, I wasn't exactly sure on how I felt about the movie overall, it was a pretty confusing experience. An uneven mix of good, mediocre and bad. Now to the review which will have spoilers galore.
Spoiler
it was definitely better than both avp films, so anyone who said otherwise in their review here is full of it.  ;D Let's at least establish that upfront. It clearly was nowhere near as good as Alien or Aliens, but I knew that before I went to see it and wasn't expecting it to approach those films.
    Also as almost every review states, Michael Fassbender was amazing as David 8. He really gives it his all and stretches his role to the limit, doing all he can with the script and plot he had to work with. Noomi Rapace was good too, but her character, Elizabeth Shaw kind of had some annoying lines, mainly to do with her beliefs ("It's what I choose to believe" etc.), but it wasn't a predominant theme as you might expect. Logan Marshall Green was actually good in his role, but the problem is, his character didn't really do too much. (Other than have sex, talk a little bit and get roasted by Vickers)
Idris Alba was good too, but once again his character, Janek, pretty much stayed on the ship's bridge the whole movie, watching monitors and such. (with the exception of his containment of the mutant, uber-Fifeld zombie)
Charlize Theron was good but hardly does anything, apart from burning Holloway to death. Her death was lame and felt dictated by the need to get rid of her and move the plot along towards the film's final act. (crushed wizard of oz style by the falling ship.  :D)
    Anybody else worth mentioning for their standout acting role? Not really, with the possible exception of guy pierce,(who looked unconvincing and pretty retarded as the decrepit, dying Peter Weyland but I'll get to that/rant about it soon enough) Katie Dickie's character, Ford was pretty useless. She was just there in the background and played assistant to Shaw here and there in some scenes(examining the jockey head etc.) but didn't have to many lines or do too much. She also happens to survive for most of the movie, only to get smacked around by the musclebound meathead of a jockey who is awakened towards the end of the film and meets her end in a pretty boring way.
   I kind of liked Sean Harris as FIfeld, or at least I would have more if his character was more developed and he had more screen time. Rafe Spall was hardly in the film as Milburn and his death sequence by the hammerpede, while one of the coolest parts of the film, didn't lead to anything that contributed to the rest of the movie. He also just dies apparently when it goes in his mouth. (Also, was it just me, or did the hammerpede regrow it's head when it was cut by Fifeld?)
  As people have harped on, time and time again, there really were too many "redshirts". Too many no-name mercenaries and technicians who either have no lines or literally one line or two. The two co-pilots Chance and Ravel were really pointless characters too. The lines they had were often just pitiful attempts at humor that no one in the theater laughed at. Their eagerness to face the ultimate finality of death in a colllision with the jockey ship seemed really weird and unrealistic. Just bad writing. I have no idea what the whole "hands up!" thing was supposed to mean either.
   The jockeys, suprisingly weren't in the film too much either, save for hologram sequences, which there were two of. The attempt to reanimate the jockey head was pretty retarded too, because it ruins an otherwise badass scene where they take the helmet off of it. The scene in the beginning with the sacrifice engineer was cool, but i did almost laugh at the grunts he made. The engineer that gets awoken is in the movie for like less than ten minutes. They wake him up and bam, he rips david's head off, kills weyland, a random mercenary and Ford. Then he attacks shaw, giant squid gets him and that's it for his presence in the film.
   The medpod squid extraction scene, as expected, was one of the coolest in the film. The squid itself, really does look like a squid, not simply the closest analogy to reference it, but rather like a grey squid which just flails its tentacles around and makes screeching noises. In it's bigger form, it was an ok creature, but nothing to be impressed by. The so-called "proto-alien" was a little weird, and could have been a little better. The only shot of it I liked was when it turned its head and moved its version of an inner jaw out.
Have I forgotten anything? Oh yes, Peter Weyland as the old fossil. He was pretty pointless. No sooner is he brought out of hypersleep aboard the ship to be taken to see the living engineer to be killed by him.
  So in conclusion, I'd say that the film had a lot of redeeming qualities, great visuals (both the planet, the temple and the prometheus itself were all beautifully designed set pieces) It's just held back by awkward pacing, some bad dialogue peppered throughout, underdeveloped/underused characters and a lack of cohesion between the various ambitious directions the film tries to take from one minute to the next. It was by no means horrible. It was an ok film, perhaps worthy of being called "good", but certaintly not great.
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So, I guess it gets a 3.5 out of 5.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RidgeTop on Jun 08, 2012, 09:26:05 AM
Gonna be honest, it was disappointing. Expect a review soon.
Title: <!>Spoilers<!> A list of what is wrong, is so wrong. Are they sorry?
Post by: maddriver on Jun 08, 2012, 10:03:45 AM
1.Ridley wants to scare the living sh*t out of the audience

I will start off with this, a more obvious aspect of the movie - the horror elements.

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Prometheus is not scary. I will say that from the very beginning.
It has disturbing scenes, but I did not feel terrified, more like disturbed of what I was seeing. There was only one jump-scare moment that that was at the very end with the squidhugger.

There is a nice moment when zombie Fifield wakes up from that scary position and attacks. But the following fight is neither scary nor disturbing, mostly because I don't even know the names of the people being killed. And there isn't even any gore. The makeup was good, but it wasn't showed too much and that made the scene less interesting. In fact I was more curious about what was going to happen to zombie Fifield than the nameless redshirts being thrown around.

There was no dark corridor crawling, no dark corridors to begin with. And that is a trademark of the Alien franchise. Even the first AvP was darker than this.
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However I did enjoy it as a whole, as the references and connections to the Alien franchise do make it more terrifying than it really is.


2.There is little sense of progression

Here I will have to go all-spoiler tags unfortunately.

Spoiler
Usually a movie changes sets as the story moves on. It gives a sense of progression alongside the new events that take place.
In Prometheus the story moves on, but there is little sense of progression mostly because the lack of scenery changes.
Allow me to elaborate:

So they are on the Prometheus when they land.
Then they go in the pyramid/ship for the first time and explore.
Then they are back on Prometheus with the severed head.
Then they go back in search for the lost crewmen.
Then they are back on Prometheus, where the infected guy gets incinerated.
Then they go back on the alien ship because Weyland says so.
Then we are inside the escape pod where the giant squidhugger shows the engineer some love.
Then Shaw goes back on the crashed ship and takes David with her.

There is way too much going back and forth in this movie and after the 2nd time they go on the engineer ship it becomes boring and uninteresting. At least in the other movies they picked a main set and stuck with it for 80% of the movie time, but here they instead chose to use the only two sets: Prometheus and Enginner ship and go back and forth, back and forth, baaack aaand fooorth...
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3.What's up with all these holograms?

I honestly am becoming allergic to everything in the future having holograms and movies abusing this technology, which in my opinion is far more impractical than a normal display touch screen.

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First of all we have talking holograms who teach David how to speak in ancient languages. Question: what is the purpose of having a hologram? Couldn't a simple voice interaction program be a lot more practical and less resource consuming?

Then we have the holographic Power Point Presentation (or the .HPPT file format). Again, wouldn't a simple projection on a wall be easier to understand? They're just floating pictures for God's sake!
Weyland in his home I can understand, because it is an interactive hologram. But a simple video would have sufficed here too.

Then we have every screen on board the ship as a hologram.
Holographic technology as it is depicted in most "new age" sci-fi movies is very confusing and apparently difficult to operate. Holographic screens have no background (it is transparent) making it harder to read and forcing the use of specific font colors in order to not get them confused. Because of that, you cannot project it while having a bright light (eg. a sun) in front since it becomes impossible to read.

The only practical application of a hologram in this movie is the mapping system with the floating balls with scanning lasers. That makes sense, because having a complete 3d virtual model of the scanned ship can be very, very useful.

Another hologram that bothered me was the pointless map room inside the engineer ship. Again, wouldn't a simple touch screen be more efficient and easy to operate rather than standing in the middle of the room and "grabbing" planets as they fly by?

I won't say that the holographic technology killed this movie for me, but it added too much unnecessary color and shiny stuff, in a movie that is supposed to be dark.
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I am not one of those people who thinks that Prometheus should have retained the 100% retro technology from Alien.
However, in that movie Ridley tried to make technology plausible while looking both futuristic and practical for the 70's and even today.


4.Characters are stupid when the movie needs them to be

Sure, this is a common thing in movies, especially horror ones. There are only a few things I would like to point out, more obvious things.

Spoiler
So when the engineer wakes up and kills Weyland, someone takes a shot at it.
Why in every movie, characters wielding guns tend to aim at the body parts covered with armor, rather than exposed skin or organs?
In any event, this guy aims at the engineer's chest, covered with some sort of armor, while 3 shots in between his eyes would have been much more efficient. Aim for the head! Sure, it might not have killed it, but you wouldn't blame the poor guy for at least trying.
If the engineer was killed, then there was no need for the Prometheus to go all kamikaze on the Juggernaut.

Another obvious example of scheduled character stupidity was when Shaw and Vickers were running away from the spinning Juggernaut. It was a pointless scene, made specifically for 3D. But that is besides the point.

The ship was spinning like a coin, on the edge, so a simple running sideways would have saved them both. But instead they choose to run right in the direction of the spin. Vickers is caught and crushed under the weight of the ship. At the very last moment Shaw does the right thing and simply rolls to the right, completely avoiding the ship. See Vickers? It was that simple.
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5.It doesn't know what it wants to be

Prometheus fells more like a mixed bag, as it doesn't appear to have a particular story or genre focus.

Spoiler
In theory, a story about Gods and the evolution of humankind can be combined with horror elements to make it a horror movie. But both of these aspects are not entire explored to their full potential. The original Alien was a bit less pretentious when it came to the ideas.
Bottom line, it was a story about a monster with sharp teeth. But the execution was brilliant!

In Prometheus it is exactly the opposite. We have a complex origin story about the human spcies, with both religious and historical events being mentioned and linked together, but the execution somehow lacked pacing, consistency and...a soul.

It can't be clearly defined, as the story is blurry at best, with no clear focus on any of these aspects.

I also found the last scene of Shaw and David taking off in an engineer ship a bit overwhelming.
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Prometheus fells too pretentious in the ideas it tries to expose, which are quite complex, but not explored long enough to give a sense of accomplishment and understanding in the end.
I appreciate the relatively slow build-up instead of throwing us right in the action. That was good.

I do not want you to get the wrong idea out of this post, that I disliked the movie.
On the contrary, I enjoyed it and on a scale I would place it between Alien3 and Resurrection, definitely not AvP material here.
But there are some things that bothered me. It was not the "to be continued" ending, it was not the creature design. It was the fact that it had potential, but they did not take full advantage of it.
Title: Re: <!>Spoilers<!> A list of what is wrong, is so wrong. Are they sorry?
Post by: Kev Loaf on Jun 08, 2012, 10:06:13 AM
I agree. The ideas were there but they blew it. However, the film will earns lots of money no matter what so I guess as far as they are concerned they achieved their goal. Quick buck.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: RawMeat on Jun 08, 2012, 10:14:14 AM
I call this film a missed opportunity. Or a stinking pile of s**t.
Depends on my mood and how eager I am to close my eyes on some major plot holes, bad dialogue, pointless character actions, the dumbest "scientists" ever seen in film (removing helmets inside the alien's temple???), characters with no emotions or care whatsoever, and TERRIBLE creature design...
On the other hand, a few really good ideas and beautiful visuals.
Title: Re: <!>Spoilers<!> A list of what is wrong, is so wrong. Are they sorry?
Post by: armageddon on Jun 08, 2012, 10:55:59 AM
Quote from: maddriver on Jun 08, 2012, 10:03:45 AM
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Why in every movie, characters wielding guns tend to aim at the body parts covered with armor, rather than exposed skin or organs?
In any event, this guy aims at the engineer's chest, covered with some sort of armor, while 3 shots in between his eyes would have been much more efficient. Aim for the head!
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That was actually pretty spot on. People are trained to shoot for center mass, not the head. How was the merc supposed to know that the suit was armor? It's a lot easier to hit center mass than a head, especially when the target is moving.

Btw, why don't you complain about FTL drive and antigravity? THAT is really unrealistic.
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Title: Re: <!>Spoilers<!> A list of what is wrong, is so wrong. Are they sorry?
Post by: szkoki on Jun 08, 2012, 11:03:53 AM
I cant agree

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1st. try to aim with a pump action shot gun from 10 meters
2nd. try to run aside from a rolling alien space ship when the only safe place is in its shadow because the parts of the prometheus are falling from everywhere
3rd. a hologram is much easier to interact with then a sound only
4th. the Fifield-Milburn part was horrific....not much how they died but how they ended up in that situation that lead to their death especially for Fifield who doesnt even want to stay in the pyramid right who doesnt even wanted to enter the pyramid at all who doesnt wanted to talk to Milburn....that was bulided up so well ;) the others besides Charlie's death well....
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Title: Re: <!>Spoilers<!> A list of what is wrong, is so wrong. Are they sorry?
Post by: LIG on Jun 08, 2012, 11:07:44 AM
Quote from: maddriver on Jun 08, 2012, 10:03:45 AM
1.Ridley wants to scare the living sh*t out of the audience

I will start off with this, a more obvious aspect of the movie - the horror elements.

Spoiler
Prometheus is not scary. I will say that from the very beginning.
It has disturbing scenes, but I did not feel terrified, more like disturbed of what I was seeing. There was only one jump-scare moment that that was at the very end with the squidhugger.

There is a nice moment when zombie Fifield wakes up from that scary position and attacks. But the following fight is neither scary nor disturbing, mostly because I don't even know the names of the people being killed. And there isn't even any gore. The makeup was good, but it wasn't showed too much and that made the scene less interesting. In fact I was more curious about what was going to happen to zombie Fifield than the nameless redshirts being thrown around.

There was no dark corridor crawling, no dark corridors to begin with. And that is a trademark of the Alien franchise. Even the first AvP was darker than this.
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However I did enjoy it as a whole, as the references and connections to the Alien franchise do make it more terrifying than it really is.


2.There is little sense of progression

Here I will have to go all-spoiler tags unfortunately.

Spoiler
Usually a movie changes sets as the story moves on. It gives a sense of progression alongside the new events that take place.
In Prometheus the story moves on, but there is little sense of progression mostly because the lack of scenery changes.
Allow me to elaborate:

So they are on the Prometheus when they land.
Then they go in the pyramid/ship for the first time and explore.
Then they are back on Prometheus with the severed head.
Then they go back in search for the lost crewmen.
Then they are back on Prometheus, where the infected guy gets incinerated.
Then they go back on the alien ship because Weyland says so.
Then we are inside the escape pod where the giant squidhugger shows the engineer some love.
Then Shaw goes back on the crashed ship and takes David with her.

There is way too much going back and forth in this movie and after the 2nd time they go on the engineer ship it becomes boring and uninteresting. At least in the other movies they picked a main set and stuck with it for 80% of the movie time, but here they instead chose to use the only two sets: Prometheus and Enginner ship and go back and forth, back and forth, baaack aaand fooorth...
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3.What's up with all these holograms?

I honestly am becoming allergic to everything in the future having holograms and movies abusing this technology, which in my opinion is far more impractical than a normal display touch screen.

Spoiler
First of all we have talking holograms who teach David how to speak in ancient languages. Question: what is the purpose of having a hologram? Couldn't a simple voice interaction program be a lot more practical and less resource consuming?

Then we have the holographic Power Point Presentation (or the .HPPT file format). Again, wouldn't a simple projection on a wall be easier to understand? They're just floating pictures for God's sake!
Weyland in his home I can understand, because it is an interactive hologram. But a simple video would have sufficed here too.

Then we have every screen on board the ship as a hologram.
Holographic technology as it is depicted in most "new age" sci-fi movies is very confusing and apparently difficult to operate. Holographic screens have no background (it is transparent) making it harder to read and forcing the use of specific font colors in order to not get them confused. Because of that, you cannot project it while having a bright light (eg. a sun) in front since it becomes impossible to read.

The only practical application of a hologram in this movie is the mapping system with the floating balls with scanning lasers. That makes sense, because having a complete 3d virtual model of the scanned ship can be very, very useful.

Another hologram that bothered me was the pointless map room inside the engineer ship. Again, wouldn't a simple touch screen be more efficient and easy to operate rather than standing in the middle of the room and "grabbing" planets as they fly by?

I won't say that the holographic technology killed this movie for me, but it added too much unnecessary color and shiny stuff, in a movie that is supposed to be dark.
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I am not one of those people who thinks that Prometheus should have retained the 100% retro technology from Alien.
However, in that movie Ridley tried to make technology plausible while looking both futuristic and practical for the 70's and even today.


4.Characters are stupid when the movie needs them to be

Sure, this is a common thing in movies, especially horror ones. There are only a few things I would like to point out, more obvious things.

Spoiler
So when the engineer wakes up and kills Weyland, someone takes a shot at it.
Why in every movie, characters wielding guns tend to aim at the body parts covered with armor, rather than exposed skin or organs?
In any event, this guy aims at the engineer's chest, covered with some sort of armor, while 3 shots in between his eyes would have been much more efficient. Aim for the head! Sure, it might not have killed it, but you wouldn't blame the poor guy for at least trying.
If the engineer was killed, then there was no need for the Prometheus to go all kamikaze on the Juggernaut.

Another obvious example of scheduled character stupidity was when Shaw and Vickers were running away from the spinning Juggernaut. It was a pointless scene, made specifically for 3D. But that is besides the point.

The ship was spinning like a coin, on the edge, so a simple running sideways would have saved them both. But instead they choose to run right in the direction of the spin. Vickers is caught and crushed under the weight of the ship. At the very last moment Shaw does the right thing and simply rolls to the right, completely avoiding the ship. See Vickers? It was that simple.
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5.It doesn't know what it wants to be

Prometheus fells more like a mixed bag, as it doesn't appear to have a particular story or genre focus.

Spoiler
In theory, a story about Gods and the evolution of humankind can be combined with horror elements to make it a horror movie. But both of these aspects are not entire explored to their full potential. The original Alien was a bit less pretentious when it came to the ideas.
Bottom line, it was a story about a monster with sharp teeth. But the execution was brilliant!

In Prometheus it is exactly the opposite. We have a complex origin story about the human spcies, with both religious and historical events being mentioned and linked together, but the execution somehow lacked pacing, consistency and...a soul.

It can't be clearly defined, as the story is blurry at best, with no clear focus on any of these aspects.

I also found the last scene of Shaw and David taking off in an engineer ship a bit overwhelming.
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Prometheus fells too pretentious in the ideas it tries to expose, which are quite complex, but not explored long enough to give a sense of accomplishment and understanding in the end.
I appreciate the relatively slow build-up instead of throwing us right in the action. That was good.

I do not want you to get the wrong idea out of this post, that I disliked the movie.
On the contrary, I enjoyed it and on a scale I would place it between Alien3 and Resurrection, definitely not AvP material here.
But there are some things that bothered me. It was not the "to be continued" ending, it was not the creature design. It was the fact that it had potential, but they did not take full advantage of it.

Alot of that is spot on! but one question
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Shaw completely avoiding the ship?
Did the US get a slightly different version that the rest of us - In the one I saw Shaw very narrowly avoids having the same fate as Vickers
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Title: Re: <!>Spoilers<!> A list of what is wrong, is so wrong. Are they sorry?
Post by: szkoki on Jun 08, 2012, 11:10:13 AM
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yup she almost died here too even after she rolled aside the ship fellt on her
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Title: Re: <!>Spoilers<!> A list of what is wrong, is so wrong. Are they sorry?
Post by: Ulfer on Jun 08, 2012, 11:14:01 AM
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QuoteThen we have the holographic Power Point Presentation (or the .HPPT file format). Again, wouldn't a simple projection on a wall be easier to understand? They're just floating pictures for God's sake!
Do you remember we are in a movie ? And a movie that uses the potential of 3D ? It's kind of funny to read so many commentaries where the fans forget that. In a futuristic setting, in a blockbuster, and, furthermore, in the most advanced starship produced (Prometheus), you can be sure you will have holograms.
The "pointless map room" in the Engineer ship is simply a great visual scene of the movie...
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Title: Re: <!>Spoilers<!> A list of what is wrong, is so wrong. Are they sorry?
Post by: maddriver on Jun 08, 2012, 11:18:02 AM

Quote from: LIG on Jun 08, 2012, 11:07:44 AM
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Shaw completely avoiding the ship?
Did the US get a slightly different version that the rest of us - In the one I saw Shaw very narrowly avoids having the same fate as Vickers
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She did avoid getting crushed right after Vickers was killed by rolling sideways. My point is that this is what they should have both tried to do from the beginning, instead of running in front of the rolling ship. The chances of survival won't be 100% in this case either, but at least there will be a chance.

After running for 20 or so seconds without think of simply turning left or right, Shawn trips and falls. With the ship closing in, she rolls to the right and avoids getting crushed. I repeat, she was able to avoid the ship by rolling sideways, while still on the ground. It is normal to assume that they could have done this while running too because you would get more speed and more control over the direction you're going.

Shawn was nearly crushed by the ship a few moments after she initially escaped. The ship tilts and starts to fall on a side. Shawn is simply standing there, looking at the massive ship slooowly tilting and then she decides to run again in a straight line, instead of moving sideways.
I found it implausible that a small rock could hold the entire weight of the Juggernaut, but Shaw had to survive because...script and all that :)
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
Still have no idea what to think.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 08, 2012, 12:00:57 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
Still have no idea what to think.

Embrace it... I bet you see it at least 3 times in the cinema...  :)


Quote from: maddriver on Jun 08, 2012, 11:18:02 AM

I found it implausible that a small rock could hold the entire weight of the Juggernaut
I don't think it did hold the entire weight... it just caused a fissure big enough for Shaw to escape.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: armandxp on Jun 08, 2012, 12:42:56 PM
Went to the midnight showing here in Orlando, FL.  I liked the movie for what it was.  A cool sci-fi outer space movie.  I have to say that FOX really blew it by showing WAY too much in the commercials and short features.  Most of what I seen in the commercials, really gave away a lot of the movie.

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Was not impressed with the large squid creature.
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Just didn't do it for me. 

Most of the character's deaths were
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absolutely meaningless and lazy (from the writers of the script)
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I just wish they would not have even attached the name 'Alien' to this.  Kinda bothers me that they did.  No reason to.

I really thought the character
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Peter Weyland was stupid!  He seemed so fake and silly???  Just didn't seem believable at all to me.  Should have just used a really old actor for the part, and not made him to look like the sith lord.  I mean really?
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The movie did seem very rushed to me in certain scenes.  Just kinda jumped and nothing else was discussed after Shaw
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Has her squid baby.  Did anyone even know, or care?  Did she tell anyone?
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Well, here's hoping that P2 will be the movie we wished this one would have been.....
Title: Re: <!>Spoilers<!> A list of what is wrong, is so wrong. Are they sorry?
Post by: LIG on Jun 08, 2012, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: maddriver on Jun 08, 2012, 11:18:02 AM

Quote from: LIG on Jun 08, 2012, 11:07:44 AM
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Shaw completely avoiding the ship?
Did the US get a slightly different version that the rest of us - In the one I saw Shaw very narrowly avoids having the same fate as Vickers
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She did avoid getting crushed right after Vickers was killed by rolling sideways. My point is that this is what they should have both tried to do from the beginning, instead of running in front of the rolling ship. The chances of survival won't be 100% in this case either, but at least there will be a chance.

After running for 20 or so seconds without think of simply turning left or right, Shawn trips and falls. With the ship closing in, she rolls to the right and avoids getting crushed. I repeat, she was able to avoid the ship by rolling sideways, while still on the ground. It is normal to assume that they could have done this while running too because you would get more speed and more control over the direction you're going.

Shawn was nearly crushed by the ship a few moments after she initially escaped. The ship tilts and starts to fall on a side. Shawn is simply standing there, looking at the massive ship slooowly tilting and then she decides to run again in a straight line, instead of moving sideways.
I found it implausible that a small rock could hold the entire weight of the Juggernaut, but Shaw had to survive because...script and all that :)
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Ah I see, got me all excited about another cut being avaliable you tease!

good point about the juggernaught, had'nt thought of that!
Title: Re: <!>Spoilers<!> A list of what is wrong, is so wrong. Are they sorry?
Post by: maddriver on Jun 08, 2012, 01:31:05 PM
Quote from: LIG on Jun 08, 2012, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: maddriver on Jun 08, 2012, 11:18:02 AM

Quote from: LIG on Jun 08, 2012, 11:07:44 AM
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Shaw completely avoiding the ship?
Did the US get a slightly different version that the rest of us - In the one I saw Shaw very narrowly avoids having the same fate as Vickers
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Ah I see, got me all excited about another cut being avaliable you tease!

good point about the juggernaught, had'nt thought of that!

So there are more cuts? Can you describe the scene as it was in the cut you saw?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 02:48:35 PM
QuoteI just wish they would not have even attached the name 'Alien' to this.  Kinda bothers me that they did.  No reason to.

They didn't attach the name Alien to this.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: armandxp on Jun 08, 2012, 02:59:33 PM
Uh, yes they did!  All they talked about was the last 8 minutes leads up to something in the neighborhood of 'Alien'. The 'alien' series, should have never been brought up, in my opinion. They should have just said, this is original and that it has different DNA.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ChrisPachi on Jun 08, 2012, 03:15:35 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 02:48:35 PM
QuoteI just wish they would not have even attached the name 'Alien' to this.  Kinda bothers me that they did.  No reason to.

They didn't attach the name Alien to this.

Huh?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: whiterabbit on Jun 08, 2012, 03:20:29 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
Still have no idea what to think.
We should start a club.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: MasCot on Jun 08, 2012, 03:26:05 PM
Quote from: armandxp on Jun 08, 2012, 12:42:56 PMWell, here's hoping that P2 will be the movie we wished this one would have been.....
Right now I'm wishing for an extended cut on Blu-Ray. I naively think that it may transform a decent flick (because I certainly like it) into a fine movie.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Ash 937 on Jun 08, 2012, 03:47:28 PM
Based on all the reviews, I was expecting something far worse than what I saw last night (USA opening day).  The film is definitely good, not great...but certainly good.  I think that all of the negative reviews are coming from people who are measuring this against Alien and Blade Runner.  That's completely understandable...but they might have to give Prometheus some sort of break considering that those other two films have about 30 years of nostalgia built into them in 2012.

I think that the Blu-Ray cut will iron out some of the loose ends that people are complaining about.  The scope of this story was far more epic than anything Ridley ever attempted in his other Sci-Fi films and I want to say that it appears that fitting it all into two hours was something he struggled with.  I'm not sure if any living director today would've done a better job honestly.

I'd give the film an 'A' for effort and a 'B' for its overall execution.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 03:54:37 PM
As I continue to reflect, my admiration begins. I can't shake the film, some glaring and implausible problems aside, and as I've written before, I haven't seen anything like this film. What science fiction has seriously dealt with the issues of who we are, why we are, and who are our makers? I'm going again later on today, can't wait.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: DaddyYautja on Jun 08, 2012, 04:02:12 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 03:54:37 PM
As I continue to reflect, my admiration begins. I can't shake the film, some glaring and implausible problems aside, and as I've written before, I haven't seen anything like this film. What science fiction has seriously dealt with the issues of who we are, why we are, and who are our makers? I'm going again later on today, can't wait.

This subject has been brought up a good amount of times, man.
When Star Trek has done an episode on it.... you know it's a norm by now.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: 8thPassenger on Jun 08, 2012, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 03:54:37 PM
As I continue to reflect, my admiration begins. I can't shake the film, some glaring and implausible problems aside, and as I've written before, I haven't seen anything like this film. What science fiction has seriously dealt with the issues of who we are, why we are, and who are our makers? I'm going again later on today, can't wait.

I'm happy that you liked it. I thought Prometheus was somewhere between OK and pretty good.

But I just can't see how this film is supposed to "seriously deal" with the issues you mentioned. This is a movie, made to basically kill 2 hours of our time in an entertaining way, and it does so in a very basic Hollywood format. I personally don't feel like I know anything more about our history and development as a species just because I saw Prometheus.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 04:21:15 PM
Of course this issue has been brought up before, but not in the way I saw it presented. I think this film is one BIG question, a question humanity has asked for centuries, a question religion tries to answer (or stifle, or bullshit). I've always been more about questions and answers. Looking for the answers is way more satisfying then getting them (because usually, we don't get them).

I HATE neat little boxes, and often times, when we pose questions, our answers are even more questions. When I say 'seriously' I mean, take 'seriously' the question and exploration of our origins.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Alienseseses on Jun 08, 2012, 04:26:11 PM
I can't get it out of my mind. Yes, I only saw it yesterday, but it's really sticking with me.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 08, 2012, 04:31:42 PM
Cvalda, where art thou?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: mastermoon on Jun 08, 2012, 04:33:43 PM
I've watched Prometheus for the second time it's not really as bad as some fans say it is, The movie only became what it is now because of Ridley Scott not doing an Alien movie sinse 1979.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 08, 2012, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 08, 2012, 04:31:42 PM
Cvalda, where art thou?
I'm here. Seeing it tonight at 7:30 right after work. Will have my review up later in the evening. ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Blacklabel on Jun 08, 2012, 04:37:06 PM
Have fun with it. Youre going to Looooooooove Holloway :laugh:
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Or at least his death scene.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Cvalda on Jun 08, 2012, 04:43:01 PM
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jun 08, 2012, 04:37:06 PM
Have fun with it. Youre going to Looooooooove Holloway :laugh:
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Or at least his death scene.
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Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Blacklabel on Jun 08, 2012, 04:44:08 PM
....priceless... you are one in 6 billion. :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 04:49:27 PM
After all the bitching, Holloway was fine...I wouldn't believe for a minute he was a scientist. That aside, his acting was fine. Nothing special. Just fine.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: echobbase79 on Jun 08, 2012, 05:08:51 PM
Here's a review that pretty sums up how I felt about the movie. I didn't love or hate Prometheus, but by the end I just didn't really care. I did like that they used some elements from Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett original STARBEAST script. And to see they got a credit was very cool. I will always love Dan's contribution to Alien.

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/review-ridley-scotts-prometheus-reaches-for-greatness-but-comes-up-short (http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/review-ridley-scotts-prometheus-reaches-for-greatness-but-comes-up-short)

I think my biggest problems with the film come from a mindset that is simply standard operating procedure for Hollywood these days.  First, this is clearly meant to kick-start a new series of films, and the way the movie ends is such a half-hearted cliffhanger, a sort of half-measure, that it fails to satisfy, and by design.  Second, because it is a prequel, the ticking clock that the film uses to ratchet up tension in the film's climax doesn't work.  We know it can't happen.  We've seen the other movies.  There's no way it plays out as they suggest, and so there is no real tension.  It is a problem that every prequel has, and "Prometheus" doesn't manage to figure out a way around the issue.  I'm tired of movies being treated like TV shows, where each film is just a set-up for the one that follows.  At some point, I'd rather just see a complete story, well-told, without a game plan in place for more movies.  I understand that for Ridley Scott to get the film greenlit, it needed to be connected to a property that Fox could exploit, but a good business decision is not automatically a good creative decision, and in this case, the thing that got the movie made is also the thing that hurts it the most.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: JaaayDee on Jun 08, 2012, 05:10:16 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 04:49:27 PM
After all the bitching, Holloway was fine...I wouldn't believe for a minute he was a scientist. That aside, his acting was fine. Nothing special. Just fine.

What did you think of David?
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 08, 2012, 05:17:32 PM
LOVED David......but...so much of what I read about what the film is or isn't just didn't ring true for me.

The first half of the film wasn't this gripping tale burgeoning with possibility. I found it okay, interesting, but not all that. When they get to the planet I really started to get excited about what would happen next.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on Jun 08, 2012, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 08, 2012, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 08, 2012, 04:31:42 PM
Cvalda, where art thou?
I'm here. Seeing it tonight at 7:30 right after work. Will have my review up later in the evening. ;)
Looking forward to it...  ;)
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: DeadW8 on Jun 08, 2012, 05:38:16 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jun 08, 2012, 06:56:30 AM
Quote from: DeadW8 on Jun 08, 2012, 03:05:20 AMTHE WORST ALIEN MOVIE I SAW TO DATE.

You didn't like it then? ;)

woke up now, after 10 mins i realized i had seen it yesterday and i shrugged... so to answer that question now that im a lot more calm now id say its not like i hate it really.... theres lots of good stuff in it in terms of visuals and directing its just that the story feels empty as hell, there isnt action, terror or xenos and everything it throws at u is thrown in the air.... it has its place in sci fi history but only cause its ridley and its alien, still its no better than pitch black, pandorum or even re1 or all those sci fi movies that came out lately which were way better constructed as a whole and had some fun value u could attach yourself to as corny and b movie like as they were.
I think if this movie was trashier and pulpier, meaning if it had more action or terror (or even horror) it could make it a lot better for repeated viewings... as it is u go like it has nice ideas but doesnt do shit with them unless visually and with the score. The best thing it has going for it is that is a total f**k up where a lot a money was invested, i wish they spent the money on story or in shooting scenes with the characters instead of spending time trying to impress u with looks or new stuff that in the context of the series doesnt mean shit at all, instead they tried to advertise the f**k outta of it.
So in a lotta regards Paul w.s anderson has made movies lately or has made sci fi movies that left a longer resonance in the genre than this with way less fresh ideas and still f**king up in a way what u wanted to see... his movies are cheesier for sure but have way more too look at and to feel even in that childish way...
Prometheus can only be saved as a blu ray or dvd with a making of and a REALLY extended cut... if i dare to listen to director commentary track or to the screenwriters they better admit how they rushed it and f**ked it up and that it was all due to lack of time, studio pressures and the hype killing them which to me would still be no excuse, i can still come up with scripts for avp1 and prometheus that are way better and more fun for real. I think that event horizon feels more like an alien movie in spirit than this one cause you feel the mystery and the characters. Actually that gave me a good idea, thanks prometheus for all this rage, i think im gonna try to shape all of it and do a storyboard of my prequel of Alien.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Jun 08, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
Well, I hate everything Paul Anderson's ever made, so I'll disagree with that.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: AmazSpiderMan1 on Jun 08, 2012, 05:57:21 PM
I can't believe we waited 30 years for this convoluted mess.
Title: Re: Fan Reviews
Post by: Eidotemit on Jun 08, 2012, 06:41:26 PM
The more I've been thinking about it the more I realize that the moment that most negatively affected the movie for me was
Spoiler
after Shaw gave birth to the proto-hugger. I remember thinking that something would come of this, and that this would be the point where some tension would build as this thing became a threat. Instead