Poll
Question:
What do you think of the trailer?
Option 1: Love it.
votes: 50
Option 2: Pretty good.
votes: 13
Option 3: It's alright.
votes: 7
Option 4: Meh.
votes: 0
Option 5: Horrible.
votes: 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU#ws)
480p download:
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Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 22, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
For anyone looking for an early look at the trailer, you can download and view it now in 480p resolution. For 1080p, you'll have to wait a few more hours for the official release on apple:
http://www.mediafire.com/?yxs82lpe1hw14d9 (http://www.mediafire.com/?yxs82lpe1hw14d9)
Screencaps of the trailer can be found here (http://imgur.com/a/KJevy).
I'll buy that for a dollar!
Holy Crap...looked great even at 480.
Does anyone know what Naomi says when she is crying out (after the short break in the trailer). It sounds like she screams either "Leave", or "Please" !!
That was beautiful. :'( :'( :'( :'(
And wow, you can really see that guy CLEARLY on the right of the Jockey chair.
Looks weird.
Sweet, been waiting for this for far too damn long :o
Thanks Jaaaydee
Yes, I forgot to also say thanks JaaayDee!
......
Orgasm.
THANKSSSSSSSSSSS
AND SO IT BEGINS!!!!
MEET THE ENGINEER ^^
It looks like it's not on Apple's website yet though :(.
Intense! Need HD lovin' sharpish! Screen caps! Let the madness commence!
That's because I ripped it from their podcasting server.
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 22, 2011, 03:58:29 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 22, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
For anyone looking for an early look at the trailer, you can download and view it now in 480p resolution. For 1080p, you'll have to wait a few more hours for the official release on apple:
http://www.mediafire.com/?yxs82lpe1hw14d9 (http://www.mediafire.com/?yxs82lpe1hw14d9)
Screencaps of the trailer can be found here (http://imgur.com/a/KJevy).
I'll buy that for a dollar!
Holy Crap...looked great even at 480.
Does anyone know what Naomi says when she is crying out (after the short break in the trailer). It sounds like she screams either "Leave", or "Please" !!
"PLEEAASSSEEE" ...I think!
And many thanks JaaayDee!
HOLY SHITBALLS, THIS LOOK AMAZING.
And does that look like a road now or what?Doesn't look like tracks made by the vehicles.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 22, 2011, 04:13:21 PM
That's because I ripped it from their podcasting server.
Haha, love it
Absolutely STUNNED!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
Thx mister!
It was awesome!
Quote from: Look into my eye on Dec 22, 2011, 04:16:34 PM
And does that look like a road now or what?Doesn't look like tracks made by the vehicles.
Yeah, makes me wonder if this place we go to isn't exactly unknown. We already know there's mercs involved somewhere, so maybe there's some kind of facility there or something, but no one knows about what's lying there. The expedition findings on Earth are what bring the Prometheus crew to the planet, and perhaps that leads to others getting involved. It's a long shot I grant you, but that's definately a road I see and it needs explaination.
If there's a temple, it means this planet has know civilization roads or aztec like markings on the grounds to that temple is not out. Or simply the humans shuttle trace on the ground when they land...
Watched it on my big ass tv with my audio helmet on already 10 times ^^
Shaw says:
"You don't understand... I was wrong... So wrong!"
"Please"
And it her that is falling o her knees almost naked in the medical bay, looks like somebody done something to her...
Quote from: RoaryUK on Dec 22, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 22, 2011, 03:58:29 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 22, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
For anyone looking for an early look at the trailer, you can download and view it now in 480p resolution. For 1080p, you'll have to wait a few more hours for the official release on apple:
http://www.mediafire.com/?yxs82lpe1hw14d9 (http://www.mediafire.com/?yxs82lpe1hw14d9)
Screencaps of the trailer can be found here (http://imgur.com/a/KJevy).
I'll buy that for a dollar!
Holy Crap...looked great even at 480.
Does anyone know what Naomi says when she is crying out (after the short break in the trailer). It sounds like she screams either "Leave", or "Please" !!
"PLEEAASSSEEE" ...I think!
And many thanks JaaayDee!
Yeah, it's definitely: "Pleeeassse!"
Oh yes... it all starts.... ;D
I bet the next thing she says in the movie is "...Kill me!"
Does this screengrab show a piece of the Prometheus' landing craft's legs...similar to the what we saw in some of the leaked set pics?
And if so, can we assume that their landing craft has been destroyed by this point in the movie?
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Sadly this trailer is not even on youtube yet it's just fake fanmade trailers.
I tried to upload it to youtube and it got instantly banned by FOX, regardless if it was listed as private/unlisted or not.
Oh no! I hate to be a Debbie Downer but, I never wanted the Space Jockeys to look like a giant version of Mr. Clean! Ahhhhhh! When I first saw A L I E N, I wanted to envision a race of giant elephant men. But, it's just a bio-suit...don't get me wrong it still looks awesome and I will see it with baited breath. I hope I'm wrong about a race of giant Mr. Cleans' creating mankind. I don't want them to look like us!
Even in 480p the visuals are absolutely stunning. The blend of CG and practical effects are the best I've seen in a long time and the way the trailer was put together makes it the best I've seen for any film next year. Love the slow build and quick release and the music used is perfect. Really can't fault it, looking forward to the 1080p version so I can really start analysing.
On a side note, looking again at the shot of Fassbender pulling the specimen out of the urn, I can't help but think 'early face-hugger prototype'. Kinda like a beta face-hugger that's just started to develop out of this primordial ooze. There's the tail like vertebrae, the beginning of the 'fingers' and the large flap shaped area's. Maybe what we're witnessing is the creation of the xenomorph kind, even if they don't necessarily feature in the film in they're usual forms?
nice find!
in the scene with the space jockey chair, you can see the whole body of the engineer/mutant thing standing beside it
I love how they made the "derelict" upright ... never thought to view it that way.
Hope most of the scenes are from the 1st act ... I still want my surprises.
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 22, 2011, 04:37:22 PM
Does this screengrab show a piece of the Prometheus' landing craft's legs...similar to the what we saw in some of the leaked set pics?
And if so, can we assume that their landing craft has been destroyed by this point in the movie?
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Well spotted - I think that confirms what collides with the Jockey Ship...
What time EST will Apple upload the trailer?
Maybe it's just their way to create stuff...start with a mechanical base (urns) and then transform it into biological mass (egg), would be a nice thing for David :D
And so you can have both...SJ as suit and lifeform. Pregnant Human in SJ Suit gets infected while connected to the derelict by the chair, the whole tech to bio transformation melting action goes over him and the whole ship / urns whatever. I don't think it will be this way just thinking loud ^^
And jeah guess those two ships will collide, that's why you see captain Elba's scary face :laugh:
Trailer's at EMPIRE (non-HD, I think): http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32750 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=32750)
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 22, 2011, 04:49:04 PM
Maybe it's just their way to create stuff...start with a mechanical base (urns) and then transform it into biological mass (egg)
Yeah, this was my line of thought exactly. An interesting concept all the same.
Give a fake name to the video.
As for the destroyed human ship debris, well spotted.
Check my signature too ;)
The guy getting his helmet burned is the red headed mercenary.
Doubt he's the same mutated man jumping around.
The guy in pain is clearly mutated.
Check his skin, strange forms...
As i tought Shaw has mated or been raped by something.
In the shot where you see a guy waking up (Green in think) you can make behind him a body with a scorched leg.
My take, Green get infected by something in the ampules, make love to Rapace,gently then savagely (something is taking over him), she escapes and run in the med bay where his belly grow very fast.
She survives and give birth to something... An Engineer?
Btw that massive Engineer look so cool in front of the chair ^^
well thats was significantly underwhelming sadly... was intrigued by this movie when 1st heard it was coming out, expectations are dropping everytime they release more info about it.. oh well
Download count so far: 1161
I don't think the trailer is underwhelming in the least bit. You'd have to be dead to not be interested in seeing that. We've been looking at versions of these images for a couple of months...so there's a bit of anti-climax on my part. I wish Fox would have the foresight to give us a bit we haven't seen. Oh well. It's hear, and I'm appreciative.
Quote from: SHREK on Dec 22, 2011, 04:53:11 PM
well thats was significantly underwhelming sadly... was intrigued by this movie when 1st heard it was coming out, expectations are dropping everytime they release more info about it.. oh well
Really??? I think it's a great trailer. Lets's hope the movie is as good...
What they are examing at 0:29? SJ head?
Looks like it. Well, by all accounts the Space Jockey we all know and love is actually a bio-suit for another being, the 'engineer'.
We should really create some kind of collection with all the things we already talked about a few thousand times...we had the SJ head on table discussion in the thread for the bootleg trailer ;)
Woah daddy... woahhh daddy. The jockey chair rising out of the ship... the derelict.... the implications of it all. Oh yes, oh sweet yes. This will be the most perfect film to resurrect the alien, to remind people that yes it is, in fact, scary as hell and should never appear in anything short of a masterpiece motion picture event.
I'm already so excited about this, and I honestly hope it has no classic aliens to speak of. The fear they can build around the alien itself, without actually showing it, is the greatest way they could've possibly resurrected ( ;)) the creature.
I refuse to watch the trailer until a 1080p version is out!
what happens if the huge guy standing beside the jockey chair gets impregnated somehow? didn't sky mention huge aliens
Quote from: ep40 on Dec 22, 2011, 05:23:05 PM
What they are examing at 0:29? SJ head?
Yep and its my Avatar! :D
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The engineer looks CGI. Like all CGI.
How can he look cgi since its an actor who is portraying him?
Have you checked the last fisrt look video?
They made the Engineer sets to human size so when the Actor is on set they will not have to manipulate him digitaly but only the humans that will be reduced in post.
Also the definition is not good enough to see its details.
No way he's cgi, looks special makeup with probably some cgi effect added like the guy in agony.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 22, 2011, 05:26:31 PM
We should really create some kind of collection with all the things we already talked about a few thousand times...we had the SJ head on table discussion in the thread for the bootleg trailer ;)
AGREED!
Just sat and watched this about 4 times over with my dad, who is also a huge Alien fan. Not sure what to say but wow...I've watched the teasers a dozen times over, followed the news every day and seen the poor quality version from a few weeks back but still wasn't prepared for the sheer awesomeness of this.
Can't wait to book the day off of work to watch this film about 3 or 4 times over with different groups of friends/family :P
Quote from: ikarop on Dec 22, 2011, 05:36:40 PM
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2561706/VzKM4.gif
The engineer looks CGI. Like all CGI.
Looks more like a tall guy wearing prosthetics to me.
Looks like the derelict ship crash lands upright,the shot when you see it standing vertically you can see the fiery debris around it.
I find the assumptions being drawn from a few snippets frankly depressing. Jumping space zombies? One tiny scene shows a man jumping from a vehicle - suddenly the whole film is about mutated Hills Have Eyes characters - really? Why would anyone draw these conclusions? There is evidence that a number of characters are suffering physically, beyond that everything remains speculation. Already people are writing it off - some because the alien isn't in - some because the jockey is 'assumed' to be too human. Boo to the detractors, if you can claim this isn't the film for you based on a short trailer your parameters for this prequel must have been very simplistic.
Well, as this level of fan boy hysteria isn't likely to end any time soon, I think the time has come to leave the Prometheus forum for those that want to throw tantrums and those that want to boast their assumed 'spoilers'.
To me, the trailer looks amazing. Whatever Ridley serves up will be a cut above the rest. I'm not expecting him to have lost his visual eye, his skill for implied violence and his european 'no punches pulled' attitude, and yes this does look epic. I've always liked Ridley Scott for his mix of movies but those that allow him to have complete control over the visuals - historical and Sci Fi are his best. I'll reserve judgement on how this affects A L I E N until June myself but right now I'm open to anything he wants to do with the expansion of what was, to a very large extent, his baby. If it's perverse and nasty, then this still looks like the bookend film that A L I E N always deserved but never got.
Well if the camed copy we had looked good, this was just f**king epic. Very very impressed and very excited. Clearly saw some sort of Jockey helmet being examined by the crew, the Engineer's appear to be human(ish), so maybe some sort of Ancient-type situation (Stargate) going on here.
I'm thinking it might not be the Derelict from Alien either. The landscape looks all wrong, the ship is upright.
The derelict has def. def. crashed upright. No denying it. The whole back end of the trailer with them running is the derelict rolling or falling down from its upright position I think.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6554987767/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6554987767/#)
Thats makes it really easy to see thanks for that link.
Quote from: invertyourcross on Dec 22, 2011, 05:47:46 PM
The derelict has def. def. crashed upright. No denying it. The whole back end of the trailer with them running is the derelict rolling or falling down from its upright position I think.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6554987767/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6554987767/#)
Very nice! Wouldn't mind bigger versions of these shots ;)
Quote from: invertyourcross on Dec 22, 2011, 05:47:46 PM
The derelict has def. def. crashed upright. No denying it. The whole back end of the trailer with them running is the derelict rolling or falling down from its upright position I think.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6554987767/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6554987767/#)
The Jockey ship doesn't topple over,it is standing upright,the later shot you see one of the crew staring up at it,the shot of them running is escaping the the crash landing.
AMAZING. It even looks scary as frig as well. Hope this lives up to my expectations.
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Quote from: Gash on Dec 22, 2011, 05:43:42 PM
I find the assumptions being drawn from a few snippets frankly depressing. Jumping space zombies? One tiny scene shows a man jumping from a vehicle - suddenly the whole film is about mutated Hills Have Eyes characters - really? Why would anyone draw these conclusions? There is evidence that a number of characters are suffering physically, beyond that everything remains speculation. Already people are writing it off - some because the alien isn't in - some because the jockey is 'assumed' to be too human. Boo to the detractors, if you can claim this isn't the film for you based on a short trailer your parameters for this prequel must have been very simplistic.
Well, as this level of fan boy hysteria isn't likely to end any time soon, I think the time has come to leave the Prometheus forum for those that want to throw tantrums and those that want to boast their assumed 'spoilers'.
To me, the trailer looks amazing. Whatever Ridley serves up will be a cut above the rest. I'm not expecting him to have lost his visual eye, his skill for implied violence and his european 'no punches pulled' attitude, and yes this does look epic. I've always liked Ridley Scott for his mix of movies but those that allow him to have complete control over the visuals - historical and Sci Fi are his best. I'll reserve judgement on how this affects A L I E N until June myself but right now I'm open to anything he wants to do with the expansion of what was, to a very large extent, his baby. If it's perverse and nasty, then this still looks like the bookend film that A L I E N always deserved but never got.
Nobody is writing it off, but there is definately one mutation who looks like a space zombie. It's definately not a man scrabbling vertically up the side of a personnel carrier to take out a human by leaping 25 foot down the other side without his helmet on in a hostile enviroment.
Some of this you can come up with through your own inference.
Three comments:
One, close up of infected person in space suit looks well. I think morphology could be excellent if handled right. I've always found The Fly very messed up and gross. If Ridley can pull off body-horror as well as Cronenberg then we will be in for a manky treat.
Two, the woman who falls to her knees has blood all over her. Why?
Three, in the same scene where the woman falls, you can see in the background that one of the crew is bald and resembles the man in the SJ chair shot. Maybe the same man?
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YESSSSS!!! Great to finally see this, many thanks. So many possibilities, I'm really stoked now.
Wow thats way better then the smaller picture, Ridley Scott is right you can notice alot from Alien.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 22, 2011, 05:57:14 PM
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I thought you were leaving the Prometheus thread/s? :D I am. I'll be hanging about other parts of the forums till Prometheus comes out, so see you there :) Some real idiots commenting on Prometheus, that are far too up themselves.
Im thinking that the people mutating are changing into something more than just a zombie,if it was a zombie how does it know how to work the chair?you can clearly see a humanoid with no hair but still has the suit on that the crew was wearing,he also looks significantly taller in comparison to the chair.
Posted the video on my facebook wall.
Got a reaction from a friend...
Martin Rezard
Prometheus (concept artist, sculptor, prosthetic makeup artist)
"I'm starting to feel proud..."
^^
Rightfully so my friend.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2011, 06:00:19 PM
Nobody is writing it off, but there is definately one mutation who looks like a space zombie. It's definately not a man scrabbling vertically up the side of a personnel carrier to take out a human by leaping 25 foot down the other side without his helmet on in a hostile enviroment.
Some of this you can come up with through your own inference.
But that's still just assumption. You're saying the guy that's leaping is also the one scrambling up the vertical surface, but even if it's the same character, they appear to have a wire on. So assuming super human power might be misguided. Also, why are you saying a 25 foot leap? He's launching himself off the roof of the vehicle, maybe twelve or fifteen feet from the ground, towards the shoulders of a man below him.
You're free to make theses assumptions if you wish but the images don't necessarily support them.
Quote from: Dogme on Dec 22, 2011, 06:04:56 PM
Quote from: Gash on Dec 22, 2011, 05:57:14 PM
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I thought you were leaving the Prometheus thread/s? :D I am. I'll be hanging about other parts of the forums till Prometheus comes out, so see you there :) Some real idiots commenting on Prometheus, that are far too up themselves.
I'm trying but it's a bit like a road crash, watching these posts going haywire is strangely compelling.
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/509/facezs.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/509/facezs.jpg)
looks like this guys face is bubbling
Bubbling and oddly translucent in some parts.
Looks like the name on his cap says HOLLOWAY...
It's a bubbler alright.
notice how there is no definition between the jawline and neck - could he be expanding? filling out?
Quote from: 180924609 on Dec 22, 2011, 06:18:08 PM
Looks like the name on his cap says HOLLOWAY...
yep it does. great find.
also the woman falling with blood is rapace.
My observations
they fly to two locations,
second location is where all the shit goes down
something collides with jockey / engineer ship.
Look like theron survives (hopefully i'm wrong)
And for somereason i see Fassbender as that bald guy next to the s/j chair
Not Holloway, it's not green at all.
BTW.
Don't and never will understand why people never bother to read previous posts...
You get the same questions again and again...
Not aiming at anybody in particular but if we could all make some effort it would avoid reapeating stuff.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
I can't wait to find out what they turn into!!
I must say, I am VERY impressed with the visual effects seen so far in this brief trailer. I especially note the realistic depiction of explosions as they occur on the Space Jockey ship in the atmosphere. They are scaled appropriately, and move with the proper speed in relation to the size of the spacecraft, as well as the distance from the "camera". Notice the tendrils of smoke that trail the debris that has been ejected. You don't see this kind of attention to detail (and realistic physics) in film very often. This image might recall snapshots from the Challenger disaster.
If this were a Michael Bay film, or George Lucas, it would just be a bunch of fireballs and noise.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi18.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb126%2FDeuterium%2FDerelictexplosion.jpg&hash=148d3fe2c79f6776c325a19ec9ce366663433e5a)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVlZ9UZZ8fE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVlZ9UZZ8fE#ws)
I thought it was Fassbender with android blood in the veins showing through.
Coolbreeze: Unfortunately that isn't HD quality. Can't be the final, official released trailer
Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 22, 2011, 06:25:09 PM
Not Holloway, it's not green at all.
BTW.
Don't and never will understand why people never bother to read previous posts...
You get the same questions again and again...
Not aiming at anybody in particular but if we could all make some effort it would avoid reapeating stuff.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
yeah the yellow light reflecting on blue makes it green ::)
If an alien incubates inside it's host, maybe a similar idea is happening here, while it's (some new creature serpent etc) inside the host it takes on traits of said host's DNA and sort of fills out inside. but maybe it stays inside the flesh of the host. so essentially the host dies but beneath the skin is the creature. I duno, my brain is going CRAZY after seeing the trailer!
I really can't wait to see this in HD quality since the trailer was awesome. This looks amazing on every level!
720p youtube version added:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU#ws)
Quote from: Pn2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 06:33:10 PM
Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 22, 2011, 06:25:09 PM
Not Holloway, it's not Green at all.
yeah the yellow light reflecting on blue makes it green ::)
Huh?
Are you dense or what?
Green as in Logan Marshall Green who is playing Holloway, Shaw love interest.
Please check your knowledge before rolling your eyes at peoples.
Thank you.
The derelict class ship crashes the "front" part first, then start rolling on itself.
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It looks very interesting, I haven't been following this movie too much, but this trailer looks good.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 22, 2011, 06:43:06 PM
720p youtube version added:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU#ws)
Whoh... wah.... man.
I'm really loving the atmosphere that this film has. Finally we are going to get a major epic science fiction that we all waited for. This movie is going to be amazing on every level, this trailer was better then both the Hobbit, TDKR and Avengers trailer without a doubt.
Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 22, 2011, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 06:33:10 PM
Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 22, 2011, 06:25:09 PM
Not Holloway, it's not Green at all.
yeah the yellow light reflecting on blue makes it green ::)
Huh?
Are you dense or what?
Green as in Logan Marshall Green who is playing Holloway, Shaw love interest.
Please check your knowledge before rolling your eyes at peoples.
Thank you.
The derelict class ship crashes the "front" part first, then start rolling on itself.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg842.imageshack.us%2Fimg842%2F9638%2Fbiomechanicbyhrgiger61.jpg&hash=41871a02af49ea3c829f824bbd88d72c11f7d5d7)
what you cant use prosthetic's to make some one look different his clearly infected you can see on his cap
1080p!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1zNYQLQ3sY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1zNYQLQ3sY#ws)
Opening shot.... Think this is Earth in the movie? Or better yet, think its CGI?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6555269677/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6555269677/#)
Looks like you cant' even recognize actors...
Forget i said something :)
Thanks.
Quote from: AndroidDavid on Dec 22, 2011, 06:56:19 PM
1080p!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1zNYQLQ3sY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1zNYQLQ3sY#ws)
Omg it says its been blocked!
Yeah, the official trailer doesn't appear to be uploaded on Itunes, yet. They are still showing the 3 teasers.
Quote from: invertyourcross on Dec 22, 2011, 06:58:18 PM
Opening shot.... Think this is Earth in the movie? Or better yet, think its CGI?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6555269677/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6555269677/#)
It's Skyrim! jk of course. Could be another planet and it looks CGI.
Added 720p and 1080p download links
I can't resist feeding the speculators...
So what's with the guy holding his head in his hands and the bloodied beaten up body on the bed beside him?
Infected Logan Marshall Green having remorse after raping and beating Rapace.
Rapace running at the med bay, her pregnancy arriving to its term in matter of minutes.
The star map now appears to have Mac application options along it's perimeter. ;)
Is the beard-guy and the acid burnt fellow (in the wheelchair) in the background of the shot where we see the bloodied woman fall to the ground?
Added screenshots, check the first post
Quote from: Gazz on Dec 22, 2011, 07:21:57 PM
Is the beard-guy and the acid burnt fellow (in the wheelchair) in the background of the shot where we see the bloodied woman fall to the ground?
My bet on an infected human starting to become an Engineer (his head look similir to the Engineer near the chair) is on the wheel chair, kneeling in front of him, David and one of the mercenary with the weird hardo (the red headed).
The jumping mutant has no beard, i't a shadow.
He does not have one in the behind the scene shot neither.
Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 22, 2011, 06:58:55 PM
Looks like you cant' even recognize actors...
Forget i said something :)
Thanks.
you clearly cant read
check the hidef clip it reads way at the end of his cap.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 22, 2011, 07:22:17 PM
Added screenshots, check the first post
Awesome, thanks JaaayDee.
In the pic with the guy on the bed with his head in his hands...I can't be certain that the shape on the bed is a person, or just pillows and blankets. It could be either. Engineer1 could be correct, and perhaps it is Naomi...but it is hard to make out.
I watch the trailer three times already! I can't wait for Jeremy Jahns to review the trailer soon.
Wow, that was amazing. Absolutely amazing.
The way the letters appeared, just like in Alien, it was such an aweosme nod. And seeing the interior of the Derelict like that, with the chair popping out, was just great. Without a doubt my most anticipated movie of next year.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 07:27:16 PM
Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 22, 2011, 06:58:55 PM
Looks like you cant' even recognize actors...
Forget i said something :)
Thanks.
you clearly cant read
check the hidef clip it reads way at the end of his cap.
Yeah i'm illiterate.
Only one character has his name finishing by an Y.
And that guy is CLEARLY Logan Marshall Green...
Can we please agree that we disagree.
You think you're right that should be enough for you.
Thanks for leaving me be.
:)
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 22, 2011, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 22, 2011, 07:22:17 PM
Added screenshots, check the first post
Awesome, thanks JaaayDee.
In the pic with the guy on the bed with his head in his hands...I can't be certain that the shape on the bed is a person, or just pillows and blankets. It could be either. Engineer1 could be correct, and perhaps it is Naomi...but it is hard to make out.
Not hard really, depending on you screen and the quality of the video (got the 1080p) it's a body and you can see that she has scratches on her leg.
Since the wounds look healed the scene might be after her rape and giving birth to something (after running to the med bay all bloodied up).
This and the Hobbit trailer are the best Christmas gifts I've received so far.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 22, 2011, 07:31:26 PM
This and the Hobbit trailer are the best Christmas gifts I've received so far.
I agree 100%
I think the Rapace appearing covered in blood is just after she's given birth to something nasty.
I'm pretty sure in that room there is someone else recovering in a wheel chair at the back, the others look like they are comforting whoevers in the wheelchair, so I suspect they all get experimented on in numerous perverse ways and that was Rapaces turn.
Been a long term lurker here for ages, so Hi to everyone.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 06:23:10 PM
Quote from: 180924609 on Dec 22, 2011, 06:18:08 PM
Looks like the name on his cap says HOLLOWAY...
yep it does. great find.
also the woman falling with blood is rapace.
My observations
they fly to two locations,
second location is where all the shit goes down
something collides with jockey / engineer ship.
Look like theron survives (hopefully i'm wrong)
And for somereason i see Fassbender as that bald guy next to the s/j chair
Exactly! First I saw him, I thought Fassbender. Damaged android like Ash, me thinks.
Thx for the links...the trailer is awesome, the image quality is amazing. Damn, i really got to buy a Blu Ray Player ;D
Finally, the iTunes Full HD Trailer has gone online only a few minutes ago. Watch it, grab it, love it!
I don´t believe this...
I remember my adolescence...when i bought A L I E N in VHS.
Today,i´m here front my PC,watching the trailer from the film Ridley wanted do make since 1979.
No words... :'(
a shame they didnt surprise us with a 2min and 30sec trailer, but the same trailer that leaked? that sucks.
That's David sitting on the bed, with what looks to be a another male wrapped in the sheets next to him.
All I can say is.....WOW. Bring on June 2012 already!!!
I can't believe we have to wait 5 months!!! :-(
i loved the trailer and that Space Jockey guy in the trailer looks pretty big and he does look 'humanish'. But he's obviously mixed with something else.
The guy with bubbles in his face is definitely Logan Green.
Take a look at this people...beautiful as well!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDRLtgr2T9E#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDRLtgr2T9E#noexternalembed-ws)
Well, that definitely is a giant bald dude.
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WTF!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
And we have a biomechanoid space jockey!
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 22, 2011, 07:38:17 PM
That's David sitting on the bed, with what looks to be a another male wrapped in the sheets next to him.
There's clearly somebody in the bed that appears to have bruises on their leg.
WOW, that guy is big!! Is it Vin Diesel?!!! hahaha
Quote from: Biomechanoid20 on Dec 22, 2011, 07:40:33 PM
Well, that definitely is a giant bald dude.
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g471/muromachi/prometheus-giant.jpg
Did anyone bring up the giant disk in the sky over the waterfall yet?
Are those some kind of cryo chambers? The sequence with the raising chair and the possible SJ...2 directly next to him, one on the left looks open (i guess this was his) and one should be behind the chair.
Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 22, 2011, 07:26:42 PM
Quote from: Gazz on Dec 22, 2011, 07:21:57 PM
Is the beard-guy and the acid burnt fellow (in the wheelchair) in the background of the shot where we see the bloodied woman fall to the ground?
The jumping mutant has no beard, i't a shadow.
He does not have one in the behind the scene shot neither.
That's one strange furry shadow cast across his chin :P
anyone else notice a weird being at 0:44 ? is that the space jockey?
Dude, 4 posts above you ;)
Somehow I miss a bit the Giger feeling to the ship. New one is more geometric and less organic than the original one. Or am I wrong?
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And that 'suit' in the scene where they are examining the Space Jockey mask is Charlize Theron I assume.......
But man, that Space Jockey mask looks considerably smaller to the 1 we saw in Alien.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 22, 2011, 07:47:24 PM
Are those some kind of cryo chambers? The sequence with the raising chair and the possible SJ...2 directly next to him, one on the left looks open (i guess this was his) and one should be behind the chair.
Yeah looks like it could be! :o Never thought about that. They sort of resemble something like futuristic sarcophagus.
You are very right. I agree with you.
I loved that whole scene in Alien, from when they see the derelict ship in the distance to when Kane gets lowered into that huge egg chamber.
Where did u get that good quality photo from Alien? Do u have any when he gets lowered into the egg chamber? Or when they enter the room with the Space Jockey?
Quote from: locusta on Dec 22, 2011, 07:49:30 PM
Somehow I miss a bit the Giger feeling to the ship. New one is more geometric and less organic than the original one. Or am I wrong?
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Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 22, 2011, 07:47:14 PM
Did anyone bring up the giant disk in the sky over the waterfall yet?
Possibly a terraforming device.
Yeah it looks like the space jockey suit is opening up...
Quote from: Engineer1 on Dec 22, 2011, 07:52:26 PM
Quote from: Biomechanoid20 on Dec 22, 2011, 07:40:33 PM
Well, that definitely is a giant bald dude.
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g471/muromachi/prometheus-giant.jpg
OH WHAT A SURPRISE ^^
Just like the giant head.
At least now this will be put to rest.
Let the bitching commence.
Thanks for the enhanced pic Bio :)
Well i'm out, i'm getting a bit fed up to read stupid comments by people who have cross eyes and can't ad 1+1.
Have fun and dont forget to check KFS and PARADISE who found about major plot point month before anything leaked.
It's been a pleasure to exchange with some of the talented individuals here and want to thanks all those who shared stuff.
And f**k the others, you will recognize yourselves.
Next time you'll hear from me it will be on IO9, AICN etc... ;)
I don't want that to be the Jockey.
I have compared the official release with the bootleg trailer. There are scenes missing/replaced to the bootleg: after the scene where the three armed guys enter a room and shoot, the scene with the "snakelike thing" is replaced with Charlize Theron entering cryochamber/escape pod (it looks like to me). The second thene is directly after the chamber/chair scene. The scene with the bending stomach from the woman is replaced with Charlize Theron doing push-ups.
Thats David the android who is in pain on one of the stills.
And i think thats David also at the starmap but a lot taller.
My guess is the goo transformed him into a larger humanoid and the goo turned the humans in sick creatures.
Therefor i dont think we will see the original space jockey maybe a glimpse in a fight or something and the suit.
But i think David will be the main villain cos you dont let a unknown actor play it it has to be Fassbender vs Theron and Rapace.
Since coming out in HD (720) i've just been watching it nonstop on repeat. It looks absolutely fantastic!!
Trailer is awesome. is it just me or does the jockey head on the table have a set of eyeballs in the eye sockets?
Oh and far to much hostility going on here regarding this film, lets remember we all arrived here for the same reason.
I do wish i did stay away from the count down spots the last few days because most of the trailer was shown in them short spots. But with a big f**king BUT the 1080p was fantastic and it made up for spoiling myself watching them tv spots. Man this film looks epic i cant wait to see this. I was also in 2 minds about the human monkey man but just watching this in 1080p has made me warm to him a little more. I hope Ridley still has a final surprise up his sleeve, because i cant see him showing his money shot (monkey man) in the teaser. So proto xeno may still be his ace up the sleeve imo.
Xmas has came afew days early for me. :)
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 22, 2011, 06:29:40 PM
I must say, I am VERY impressed with the visual effects seen so far in this brief trailer. I especially note the realistic depiction of explosions as they occur on the Space Jockey ship in the atmosphere. They are scaled appropriately, and move with the proper speed in relation to the size of the spacecraft, as well as the distance from the "camera". Notice the tendrils of smoke that trail the debris that has been ejected. You don't see this kind of attention to detail (and realistic physics) in film very often. This image might recall snapshots from the Challenger disaster.
If this were a Michael Bay film, or George Lucas, it would just be a bunch of fireballs and noise.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi18.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb126%2FDeuterium%2FDerelictexplosion.jpg&hash=148d3fe2c79f6776c325a19ec9ce366663433e5a)
What if the Derelict is crashing through the Prometheus?
Was the Space Jockey in there? I didn't see him
Here's a closer look at the burned crew member - His name patch does appear to read 'Holloway'...
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Also, could this be the identity of the man in the wheelchair... ( who incidentally, may not be mutating but simply old & struggling with the demands of prolonged space travel? )
Spoiler
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This guy's face looks weird:
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Maybe part of his face got burned.
THIS IS GOING TO BE INCREDIBLE!!
now from what i saw from the trailer i can assume:
-there is some kind of disease that makes the people go mad
-they blow up the alien doughnut shaped ship from the first movie (which would explain the gaping hole in the other wise perfect circle)
- the alien eggs are inside those cylinder type objects (it shows Fassbender pulling something resembling an underdeveloped alien pod from one of them)
-the distress signal that draws them to the planet in the first movie is from the humans ship
-they somehow obtain a space jockey head (or helmet)
-and everyone dies :p
Quote from: BioMechanical on Dec 22, 2011, 08:15:34 PM
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 22, 2011, 06:29:40 PM
I must say, I am VERY impressed with the visual effects seen so far in this brief trailer. I especially note the realistic depiction of explosions as they occur on the Space Jockey ship in the atmosphere. They are scaled appropriately, and move with the proper speed in relation to the size of the spacecraft, as well as the distance from the "camera". Notice the tendrils of smoke that trail the debris that has been ejected. You don't see this kind of attention to detail (and realistic physics) in film very often. This image might recall snapshots from the Challenger disaster.
If this were a Michael Bay film, or George Lucas, it would just be a bunch of fireballs and noise.
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What if the Derelict is crashing through the Prometheus?
I don't understand your question. My point wasn't about what is causing the
explosion(s)...I was simply remarking that the VFX look well done...especially in terms of the slow speed of the ejecta, which depicts proper scaling of the dynamics in relation to the sizes and distance involved.
Alright guys/girls, I've got some rather large perhaps desktop worthy images here... let me know if you want more, or what of...
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I've just found my new wallpaper:
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@ Invert: Every single frame works as wallpaper, should be enough frames till the release :D
Perhaps it could be a call-back to Ridley's or Giger's earlier rape sequences? In this case, perhaps an early strand of alien DNA causes the infected to act as such, which leaves the girl battered and bloodied. The infected man most likely puts his head in his hands because he is in disbelief at what he's done, but could not resist as it was the transformation taking over.
Anyway, I really like seeing the Engineer in HD though. Not only does it look like a huge humanoid, its eyes are also darkened just like the statue. So perhaps they have eyes that are setback or perhaps no eyes at all? This would have the statue being a closer representation to what they actually look like - elongated, humanoid heads with darkened eyes?
In any event, now that we know that the Jockey is being played by Phill Martin, the UK 7 foot actor, who lists on his resume that the project is indeed "Alien - Prometheus," I think it's a safe assumption that we will indeed have a live space jockey in the film and it'll be Martin with make-up/CGI. Even though I was a big fan of an elephant type alien, it continues to seem that it's not the case after all...we'll see...
This will be the best movie of the year, I'm sure
Dat Ass! :o
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whoa ! the prometheus one looks like its missing it's face :o maybe that's the one the crew has :-\ ?
or maybe its just no in it's seat since i cant see the rest of it's body there ?
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 22, 2011, 03:54:07 PM720p download:
http://www.mediafire.com/?5ljfmyemt56musj (http://www.mediafire.com/?5ljfmyemt56musj)
Thanks for uploading this. :)
I don't really know if there's anything to say that hasn't already been said by now, but I think this looks really interesting. And that music is pretty damn haunting.
Very much looking forward to this. :)
Not sure if anyone caught this, but love the little details..... 0:36-0:37, you clearly see an early rendition of the big "W", Weyland-Yutani logo on one of the flight monitors. So psyched for this movie.
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sarcophagi?, one is open
It seems to me that in the scenes at the end of the trailer the "derelict" is rolling towards the running people. In the last scene you can recognize the part of the ship in the background to be the one with the two antennas stuck in the ground in the ship is rolling or bringing itself in a special position.
i may be wrong but if the "derelict" in prometheus is of the same design as in alien then how if its upright in one and on its side in the other can both space jockey pilot rooms be walked on by the humans , are they defying gravity somehow ?
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Nice.
Hey King, i've got an updated avatar for you :laugh:
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greetings
there is definitely a disc shaped thing in the sky. it was discussed before wether it was a cloud or not but clearly its some kind of technology.
one thing worth noting i haven't seen anyone discuss
there is a person in the background where the bloodied woman collapses sitting down who looks to be bold and transformed in some way.
this same person is seen being taken away hostage or something by the armed men firing their guns. look at that scene paused with the men firing the guys, the person is in a suit but its definitely the same person
really looks like a head rather than a helmet
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sarcophagi?, one is open
Maybe 4 crewmembers (jockeys) per ship or it´s the biomechanical suit which connects to the cair.
The backside of the chair is much more radial rounded now and it looks like it rolls back over and the person in the "sarcophagi) slips into the chair. Maybe
Abso.
Frackin'.
Lutely.
Lovely.
And on that note, I'm goin' spoiler and speculation-free until the film premieres. Thank you guys for the lively discussion, and see you on June 8th! 8)
Quote from: hardcorps54 on Dec 22, 2011, 08:45:35 PM
i may be wrong but if the "derelict" in prometheus is of the same design as in alien then how if its upright in one and on its side in the other can both space jockey pilot rooms be walked on by the humans , are they defying gravity somehow ?
Maybe the space jockey room is sort of gyro cockpit.
Has anyone compared these shots to the leaked material from the SDCC? I noticed in the one where the "head" is being examined, the SDCC image is different.
Also, I think it is obvious now that Rapace gives birth to something and is assumed dead afterwards - only to walk in, covered in blood, on the rest of them, dropping to her knees and very much alive.
Quote from: hardcorps54 on Dec 22, 2011, 08:45:35 PM
i may be wrong but if the "derelict" in prometheus is of the same design as in alien then how if its upright in one and on its side in the other can both space jockey pilot rooms be walked on by the humans , are they defying gravity somehow ?
I'd guess it's upright like that right when it crashes back onto the planet after attempting to take off, hence why it starts rolling over.
Thanks a lot ;D
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sarcophagi?, one is open
for sure!
they even have moulded "arm and hand" sides!
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Quote from: hardcorps54 on Dec 22, 2011, 08:45:35 PM
i may be wrong but if the "derelict" in prometheus is of the same design as in alien then how if its upright in one and on its side in the other can both space jockey pilot rooms be walked on by the humans , are they defying gravity somehow ?
There was an invention called chairs with belts. ;D
Quote from: gooner_no1 on Dec 22, 2011, 08:56:52 PMAlso, I think it is obvious now that Rapace gives birth to something and is assumed dead afterwards - only to walk in, covered in blood, on the rest of them, dropping to her knees and very much alive.
One last thing: you can see the 'covered in blood' girl in bed with Noomi.
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i know the first pic aint much to go by , but look at the head rest area in both , in the second image (just above the half formed O ) there appears to be something that cold maybe be part of the helmet of the jockey seat , as i dont see it in the first image
looks absolutely fantastic... visuals are amazing, can't remember a movie that looked so "right" when i saw the trailer. i'm pretty sure there will be a lot of stuff going on and this won't be just a simple "zombies in space" scenario as some have mentioned. i mean, someone's belly is about to burst (leaked trailer), green gooey stuff that david pulls out of that urn, mutated guy jumping around, possible humanoid space jockey... and in the end it all kind of needs to make sense within the alien universe. nope, that doesn't sound like a simple horror story at all.
one thing about the font they've used for the tagline - isn't it kinda similar to the A L I E N S font in the beginning of aliens? would be a nice nod...
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sarcophagi?, one is open
for sure!
they even have moulded "arm and hand" sides!
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I think u have it backwards. If u look to the right lower one, it appears to be another beings head in the helmet part. Look closely to see it. Thats what I see.
Quote from: Covenant81 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: hardcorps54 on Dec 22, 2011, 08:45:35 PM
i may be wrong but if the "derelict" in prometheus is of the same design as in alien then how if its upright in one and on its side in the other can both space jockey pilot rooms be walked on by the humans , are they defying gravity somehow ?
There was an invention called chairs with belts. ;D
haha , true
Quote from: azrael55 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:07:12 PM
looks absolutely fantastic... visuals are amazing, can't remember a movie that looked so "right" when i saw the trailer. i'm pretty sure there will be a lot of stuff going on and this won't be just a simple "zombies in space" scenario as some have mentioned. i mean, someone's belly is about to burst (leaked trailer), green gooey stuff that david pulls out of that urn, mutated guy jumping around, possible humanoid space jockey... and in the end it all kind of needs to make sense within the alien universe. nope, that doesn't sound like a simple horror story at all.
one thing about the font they've used for the tagline - isn't it kinda similar to the A L I E N S font in the beginning of aliens? would be a nice nod...
The entire movie is a nod to Alien :)
Those horizontal long structures remind me of the hypersleep pods from Alien.
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sarcophagi?, one is open
for sure!
they even have moulded "arm and hand" sides!
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I think u have it backwards. If u look to the right lower one, it appears to be another beings head in the helmet part. Look closely to see it. Thats what I see.
yeah i thought that too
Quote from: Covenant81 on Dec 22, 2011, 08:42:45 PM
It seems to me that in the scenes at the end of the trailer the "derelict" is rolling towards the running people. In the last scene you can recognize the part of the ship in the background to be the one with the two antennas stuck in the ground in the ship is rolling or bringing itself in a special position.
Its like a fckin motorhome but transformable.
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sarcophagi?, one is open
for sure!
they even have moulded "arm and hand" sides!
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I think u have it backwards. If u look to the right lower one, it appears to be another beings head in the helmet part. Look closely to see it. Thats what I see.
You are right. The part where the head is wider, similar to egyptian sarcophagus.
Trailer looks bloody compelling in 1080! :-) Thanks for the link!!!
Quote from: locusta on Dec 22, 2011, 07:49:30 PM
Somehow I miss a bit the Giger feeling to the ship. New one is more geometric and less organic than the original one. Or am I wrong?
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Maybe the derelict spacecraft is a living creature itself and it can bend its "limbs" and slightly change its shape (from sharp edges to more smooth ones)?..
More to add, in the episode with running away two people from the falling down derelict, I can't help not thinking that it's kind of rolling (or even walking) to tread upon them, intentionally. ;)
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this guy..
I feel like watching Alien tonight after watching the trailer so many times. I know that I said before I will try not to be too excited but at this point, I feel like I can't help it.
The extreme wide shot of the ship passing over the clouded landscape with the long contrail behind it looks incredible.
Time to watch Alien again this evening :)
I'm still convinced that this is the beginning of a total mutation to some Biomechanical/Xeno type shit.
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Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 09:09:29 PM
Quote from: azrael55 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:07:12 PM
one thing about the font they've used for the tagline - isn't it kinda similar to the A L I E N S font in the beginning of aliens? would be a nice nod...
The entire movie is a nod to Alien :)
For sure! And listen to the sound of interrupted transmittion - those discrete high pitched notes, like the ones, which we have heard during Dallas' garbled transmittion to Ash - it would be nice if Riddley have enclosed them into actual movie's score! :)
Quote from: aliennaire on Dec 22, 2011, 09:21:15 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 09:09:29 PM
Quote from: azrael55 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:07:12 PM
one thing about the font they've used for the tagline - isn't it kinda similar to the A L I E N S font in the beginning of aliens? would be a nice nod...
The entire movie is a nod to Alien :)
For sure! And listen to the sound of interrupted transmittion - those discrete high pitched notes, like the ones, which we have listened during Dallas' garbled transmittion to Ash - it would be nice if Riddley have enclosed them into actual movie's score! :)
I am sure that this is a full fledged Alien prequel but it just doesn't feature them.
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 09:23:08 PM
Quote from: aliennaire on Dec 22, 2011, 09:21:15 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 09:09:29 PM
Quote from: azrael55 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:07:12 PM
one thing about the font they've used for the tagline - isn't it kinda similar to the A L I E N S font in the beginning of aliens? would be a nice nod...
The entire movie is a nod to Alien :)
For sure! And listen to the sound of interrupted transmittion - those discrete high pitched notes, like the ones, which we have listened during Dallas' garbled transmittion to Ash - it would be nice if Riddley have enclosed them into actual movie's score! :)
I am sure that this is a full fledged Alien prequel but it just doesn't feature them.
all true, but i was actually referring to alienS... just the font, nothing more.
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this guy..
Expect all that blood on the female character (almost certainly Rapace) to be removed digitally if Rothman orders a PG-13 cut. There is a precedent - Die Hard 4.0.
They did exactly the same thing and the evidence is here, it's in German, but you get the picture, literally:
http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=4522 (http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=4522)
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This is what i was talking about.
Quote from: azrael55 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:42:26 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 09:23:08 PM
Quote from: aliennaire on Dec 22, 2011, 09:21:15 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 09:09:29 PM
Quote from: azrael55 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:07:12 PM
one thing about the font they've used for the tagline - isn't it kinda similar to the A L I E N S font in the beginning of aliens? would be a nice nod...
The entire movie is a nod to Alien :)
For sure! And listen to the sound of interrupted transmittion - those discrete high pitched notes, like the ones, which we have listened during Dallas' garbled transmittion to Ash - it would be nice if Riddley have enclosed them into actual movie's score! :)
I am sure that this is a full fledged Alien prequel but it just doesn't feature them.
all true, but i was actually referring to alienS... just the font, nothing more.
Oh, I guess so. But that won't make much difference.
HD Trailer 90% slower here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2y_tiRe1A4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2y_tiRe1A4#ws)
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:20:22 PM
I'm still convinced that this is the beginning of a total mutation to some Biomechanical/Xeno type shit.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer30.jpg)
It better be.
Quote from: gooner_no1 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: Esoteric_Voyage on Dec 22, 2011, 09:15:26 PM
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this guy..
Expect all that blood on the female character (almost certainly Rapace) to be removed digitally if Rothman orders a PG-13 cut. There is a precedent - Die Hard 4.0.
They did exactly the same thing and the evidence is here, it's in German, but you get the picture, literally:
http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=4522 (http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=4522)
Ridley is more likely to have shot two versions, one bloodied one not. He's said in interviews that he's covered all angles and will make the decision with Rothman at the Fox screening. Hopefully he'll get his way because Kingdom of Heaven was far deeper in the Director's cut so Scott should have the respect of Fox, and Fox should be proud to make a mature, uncompromising film.
about that giant in the SJ room, could it be that the SJ is not a suit and possibly a slave (worker)
and the engineer his master?
another thing, i noticed that the markings in the derelict structure seems symmetrical patterns
like electronic board, but the derelict in ALIEN looks more organic and random.
Quote from: dryheat on Dec 22, 2011, 07:51:12 PM
But man, that Space Jockey mask looks considerably smaller to the 1 we saw in Alien.
I made this point last night, but it's already been addressed. Scott is not using the scale of the jockey from the shots where he used kids in spacesuits. Shame - I love them being dwarved...he's still going to be big though, 8ft tall - opposed to 16ft!
The new ship design and detail structure reminds my allot of ALEX KOZHANOV aka GUTALIN :
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after watching that trailer slower, i am certain the guy wearing a helmet close up with something burning him is the same zombie guy who jumps and has a mutated looking face, im sure i see a mowhawk inside the helmet.
More or less.. Notice the perspective, the bald guy would be lower in the picture (position, not scale).
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Quote from: Tidus on Dec 22, 2011, 09:58:17 PM
More or less.. Notice the perspective, it isn't the same in the two shots.. the bald guy would be somewhat lower (position).
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2483/sinttulo1std.jpg
The second viewing with the chair rising up is filmed from another angle. Notice the smaller chair in the front (with the starmap) and on the right (behind the guy).
QuoteThe second viewing with the chair rising up is filmed from another angle. Notice the smaller chair in the front (with the starmap) and on the right (behind the guy).
You are right, but the four sarcophages are the same size, so it
could be a valid size reference.
Beautiful ... just beautiful. THEE MOVIE OF 2012.
hey, remember that ridley scott said something about the creatures do perverse things?
well, the scene with someone (elizabeth) dropping on her knees, maybe the humanoid
raped her, and then you see another shot of elizabeth screaming upside down and..........well..........
you know............ jejeje..... close encounter of the fourth kind?
Quote from: Bayo on Dec 22, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
hey, remember that ridley scott said something about the creatures do perverse things?
well, the scene with someone (elizabeth) dropping on her knees, maybe the humanoid
raped her, and then you see another shot of elizabeth screaming upside down and..........well..........
you know............ jejeje..... close encounter of the fourth kind?
I'm not sure if I want to see such things....
Quote from: Bayo on Dec 22, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
and then you see another shot of elizabeth screaming upside down and..........well..........
you know............ jejeje..... close encounter of the fourth kind?
Fourth, fifth and sixth all together.
She even screams 'please'.
Quote from: Bayo on Dec 22, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
hey, remember that ridley scott said something about the creatures do perverse things?
well, the scene with someone (elizabeth) dropping on her knees, maybe the humanoid
raped her, and then you see another shot of elizabeth screaming upside down and..........well..........
you know............ jejeje..... close encounter of the fourth kind?
Or that in the former shot, the woman survived a lethal situation and dropped down to her knees after she saw signs of help; and that the latter shot, reminds me of a chestbursting scene :(
I want Alienszz
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 10:14:21 PM
Quote from: Bayo on Dec 22, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
hey, remember that ridley scott said something about the creatures do perverse things?
well, the scene with someone (elizabeth) dropping on her knees, maybe the humanoid
raped her, and then you see another shot of elizabeth screaming upside down and..........well..........
you know............ jejeje..... close encounter of the fourth kind?
Or that in the former shot, the woman survived a lethal situation and dropped down to her knees after she saw signs of help; and that the latter shot, reminds me of a chestbursting scene :(
I want Alienszz
Why everyone wants xenomorphs in this movie?? This is intelligent movie, or I rather say, more inteligent movie than Aliens with Colonial Marines.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 10:18:08 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 10:14:21 PM
Quote from: Bayo on Dec 22, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
hey, remember that ridley scott said something about the creatures do perverse things?
well, the scene with someone (elizabeth) dropping on her knees, maybe the humanoid
raped her, and then you see another shot of elizabeth screaming upside down and..........well..........
you know............ jejeje..... close encounter of the fourth kind?
Or that in the former shot, the woman survived a lethal situation and dropped down to her knees after she saw signs of help; and that the latter shot, reminds me of a chestbursting scene :(
I want Alienszz
Why everyone wants xenomorphs in this movie?? This is intelligent movie, or I rather say, more inteligent movie than Aliens with Colonial Marines.
Hello,
It is like featuring in a movie the Joker and forget about batman.
Nothing wrong, it is just misplaced.
Especially when it tells the story of a Space Jockey being a suit. :-\
Well, Aliens or no ALiens, this is 110% in the Universe, Realm, or whatever you wanna call it. The planet is LV-426, it's the SPace Jockey ( suit, elephant, humanoid, giant or whatever you wanna call it ).
to be honest everytime a movie is coming all of our theories in here are FAR away from what really is ( but its fun to theorize ). We shall find out in August. And that guy screaming, he looks like he is being transformed into an Alien, skin looks like one of te Ripley clones. if you ask me, having the Alien being created by combining this move's monster with a human, would bring a whole new refreshing background to the Aliens. They are related to Humans. That would be kinda cool and something new and sinister.
Quote from: locusta on Dec 22, 2011, 09:55:30 PM
The new ship design and detail structure reminds my allot of ALEX KOZHANOV aka GUTALIN :
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc04.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Fi%2F2011%2F101%2F2%2Fe%2Fdistrict_17_by_gutalin-d3bx67d.jpg&hash=99a5e085d424ba45b81b2864031335e6fe2db251)
His artwork is very Giger reminescent, but very original at the same time..Awesome, Scott should hire him for the Prometheus sequel.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffeatures.cgsociety.org%2Fnewgallerycrits%2Fg55%2F416455%2F416455_1281436844_submedium.jpg&hash=582b843adf8189b9f024da7bcc5e7c5fb794ef52)
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: Bayo on Dec 22, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
hey, remember that ridley scott said something about the creatures do perverse things?
well, the scene with someone (elizabeth) dropping on her knees, maybe the humanoid
raped her, and then you see another shot of elizabeth screaming upside down and..........well..........
you know............ jejeje..... close encounter of the fourth kind?
I'm not sure if I want to see such things....
We might see the influence of Human Centipede-style torture porn infiltrate this movie...not too much, Scott's too classy, but he might infer it 8)
In the trailer, we see Vickers undressing her outfit while runnig trought a corridor with emergency lights on. Then we see her getting in what appears to be an escape pod. Later, in the exploding ship scene, we see a bunch of pieces that looks like parts of the Prometheus scattered all around the ground, in fire. I think we could infer that at some point Vickers sets the course of the Prometheus to lead it to a collision with the delerict (That's why she is running and undressing, to get in a spacesuit and eject from the ship before the countdown reaches zero). She may be trying to stop the delerict, preventing it from going to somewhere (Earth, maybe). She could be our hero(in)! :)
(Sorry for my bad english!)
wow... this -will-be-.... something.......this will be apreternatural
weird seeing Lv-426 in the daylight without shitty weather
and i can only imagine what the spacejockey will look like
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
wow... this -will-be-.... something.......this will be apreternatural
weird seeing Lv-426 in the daylight without shitty weather
and i can only imagine what the spacejockey will look like
In Prometheus, there is no LV426...It's different planet.
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
i can only imagine what the spacejockey will look like
A giant bald man. Seriously.
Same planet system (Zeta II Reticuli) but, other planet.
Quote from: 180924609 on Dec 22, 2011, 10:57:20 PM
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
i can only imagine what the spacejockey will look like
A giant bald man. Seriously.
Eh.... ehhhehehehehheheehhahhahahahhaa.
Yeah.
Quote from: 180924609 on Dec 22, 2011, 10:57:20 PM
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
i can only imagine what the spacejockey will look like
A giant bald man. Seriously.
It will not be that bad...
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
wow... this -will-be-.... something.......this will be apreternatural
weird seeing Lv-426 in the daylight without shitty weather
and i can only imagine what the spacejockey will look like
In Prometheus, there is no LV426...It's different planet.
will see, seemed like this was it since it was crashing but i guesse im about to find out differently
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
wow... this -will-be-.... something.......this will be apreternatural
weird seeing Lv-426 in the daylight without shitty weather
and i can only imagine what the spacejockey will look like
In Prometheus, there is no LV426...It's different planet.
will see, seemed like this was it since it was crashing but i guesse im about to find out differently
Different planet, different space jockey ship, same Alien universe.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
wow... this -will-be-.... something.......this will be apreternatural
weird seeing Lv-426 in the daylight without shitty weather
and i can only imagine what the spacejockey will look like
In Prometheus, there is no LV426...It's different planet.
will see, seemed like this was it since it was crashing but i guesse im about to find out differently
Different planet, different space jockey ship, same Alien universe.
Hello,
Well the planet features some elements from LV-426.
Of course it doesn't have the "Volcanic" look BUT:
It is rotating around a bigger planet (Just like Acheron)
Acheron is very close to earth composition according
to Ash report, so reliable if there would be oxygen.
Same goes with this planet with the difference there is life
(which could be destroyed by whatever reason).
It has a space ship crashing just like the derelict and weirdly,
with almost the same angle (at least the two legs do not
crash, it is the link between both legs).
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1103.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg471%2Fmuromachi%2Fprometheus-giant.jpg&hash=5424df9409a002a780ac5b7f6d95de1537d6c100)
I think that humanoid character from this photo will be real space jockey...
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 22, 2011, 10:59:48 PM
Quote from: 180924609 on Dec 22, 2011, 10:57:20 PM
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
i can only imagine what the spacejockey will look like
A giant bald man. Seriously.
Eh.... ehhhehehehehheheehhahhahahahhaa.
Yeah.
I still don`t want to believe it. :(
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 22, 2011, 11:12:28 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
wow... this -will-be-.... something.......this will be apreternatural
weird seeing Lv-426 in the daylight without shitty weather
and i can only imagine what the spacejockey will look like
In Prometheus, there is no LV426...It's different planet.
will see, seemed like this was it since it was crashing but i guesse im about to find out differently
Different planet, different space jockey ship, same Alien universe.
Hello,
Well the planet features some elements from LV-426.
Of course it doesn't have the "Volcanic" look BUT:
It is rotating around a bigger planet (Just like Acheron)
Acheron is very close to earth composition according
to Ash report, so reliable if there would be oxygen.
Same goes with this planet with the difference there is life
(which could be destroyed by whatever reason).
It has a space ship crashing just like the derelict and weirdly,
with almost the same angle (at least the two legs do not
crash, it is the link between both legs).
wouldnt make sense for this to be another space jockey ship on another similar planet with similar story elements and a similar parasite to ironically crash like that thus destroying the planet by mr. John Doe
Now we still can't say for sure if that is indeed the space jockey creature. It might be one of these "mutation" it could even be the android thats gone through some transformation in order to adapt itself to the space jockey enviroment.
But who knows
Quote from: nendo on Dec 22, 2011, 11:27:38 PM
Now we still can't say for sure if that is indeed the space jockey creature. It might be one of these "mutation" it could even be the android thats gone through some transformation in order to adapt itself to the space jockey enviroment.
But who knows
its not its wearing pretty much the same equipment as the protagonists
Quote from: nendo on Dec 22, 2011, 11:27:38 PM
Now we still can't say for sure if that is indeed the space jockey creature. It might be one of these "mutation" it could even be the android thats gone through some transformation in order to adapt itself to the space jockey enviroment.
But who knows
ahhhh wait im wrong-kay hoping its just a bald crew member
trust me it will be much more weird if the space jockey looks more like a human....its similar but completely alien though
Totally agree would seem abit too odd to have another ship crash in the exact same manner - also remember there is 6 months till release so I would assume that there is still alot of post production work to be done to the visuals including the smoothing of textures and form of the ship.
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 11:21:43 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 22, 2011, 11:12:28 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 22, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
wow... this -will-be-.... something.......this will be apreternatural
weird seeing Lv-426 in the daylight without shitty weather
and i can only imagine what the spacejockey will look like
In Prometheus, there is no LV426...It's different planet.
will see, seemed like this was it since it was crashing but i guesse im about to find out differently
Different planet, different space jockey ship, same Alien universe.
Hello,
Well the planet features some elements from LV-426.
Of course it doesn't have the "Volcanic" look BUT:
It is rotating around a bigger planet (Just like Acheron)
Acheron is very close to earth composition according
to Ash report, so reliable if there would be oxygen.
Same goes with this planet with the difference there is life
(which could be destroyed by whatever reason).
It has a space ship crashing just like the derelict and weirdly,
with almost the same angle (at least the two legs do not
crash, it is the link between both legs).
wouldnt make sense for this to be another space jockey ship on another similar planet with similar story elements and a similar parasite to ironically crash like that thus destroying the planet by mr. John Doe
As much as I want to believe that this bald guy is not what's inside the Jockey and instead a mutated human per the other shots in the trailer...the fact still remains: that chair is huge and this guy is big enough to sit in it. That doesn't bode well for me. I think he's the/a Jockey.
Firstly....now that IS a trailer you can say is awesome, knocks TDKR completely out of the picture, no contest! even though I worry about the PG-13 rating that trailer was damn near perfect for getting your senses drooling, I hope the film will live up to this trailer.
Secondly....some of you say this isn't LV-426 and its a different ship and jockey 'chair' etc....are you sure about this? I thought it would be the same, the story of how and why the jockey ship crashed on LV-426
Quote from: Gash on Dec 22, 2011, 06:11:20 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2011, 06:00:19 PM
Nobody is writing it off, but there is definately one mutation who looks like a space zombie. It's definately not a man scrabbling vertically up the side of a personnel carrier to take out a human by leaping 25 foot down the other side without his helmet on in a hostile enviroment.
Some of this you can come up with through your own inference.
But that's still just assumption. You're saying the guy that's leaping is also the one scrambling up the vertical surface, but even if it's the same character, they appear to have a wire on. So assuming super human power might be misguided. Also, why are you saying a 25 foot leap? He's launching himself off the roof of the vehicle, maybe twelve or fifteen feet from the ground, towards the shoulders of a man below him.
It IS the same character. The dude comes out of the flames on one side of the carrier, goes over the top, then takes care of the flamer on the other side. You also know it isn't a human character because he isn't wearing his helmet in a toxic enviroment, his face is f**ked up, and jumping from fifteen-25 feet in a belly flop method to assault a man with a flamethrower is a good way to break ribs if your a human.
I'm a soldier, and that isn't exactly in our playbook.
Some say scott is off his game, but the guy has never went to wire effects for human vs human combat and when he does have a conflict between two groups of people it is some of the more realistic in cinema. Hence why black hawk down is a favorite in military circles.
Scott will never have humans flying at humans in an ultra cool martial arts type way because that isn't his style.
I don't need to see the movie to know this.
If I'm wrong I'll put it in my signature tag for the whole world to know, but so far the "horror" of the picture is going to come from a space zombie.
Not saying it won't come from other places, just whats in the preview.
Well one things for sure, its an Alien prequel alright ;D this trailer pretty much look identical to the original hehe up until I saw this trailer I still wasn't sure what the hell was going on and if it was anything to do with the Alien franchise or not.
Loved the haunting score ;D
I really like the look of this being. There is something wrong about him; he looks clinical minded and powerful. A physcopath, without remorse or delusions of morality. If he is the creator of the alien then I approve. A creepy f**ker right there.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1225.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee395%2FChrisPachi%2Fengineer.jpg&hash=bc72fdd365ffb27e2efaf7658a70fab03f0c0b0a)
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
I really like the look of this being. There is something wrong about him; he looks clinical minded and powerful. A physcopath, without remorse or delusions of morality. If he is the creator of the alien then I approve. A creepy f**ker right there.
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/engineer.jpg
-Chris
A human, right there... Not a bizzare alien gigant, just human (bald, pale yet still very simple). Dissapointment.
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 12:05:44 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
I really like the look of this being. There is something wrong about him; he looks clinical minded and powerful. A physcopath, without remorse or delusions of morality. If he is the creator of the alien then I approve. A creepy f**ker right there.
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/engineer.jpg
-Chris
A human, right there... Not a bizzare alien gigant, just human (bald, pale yet still very simple). Dissapointment.
still going with infected crew, and doubting that that bald guy is the space jockey(jockeys) and that space zombies is the basic premise of a ridley scott film
If that is the SJ then I'd hope in the six months till release they biomechanical him up a little bit.
What did you expect? How on earth would our creators our gods look like? Something like us probably...i love it and im wondering why do the want to wipe out the whole race of mankind...just because of a little stealing...what the hell will we stole from them then?????? ??? :o
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2011, 11:49:10 PM
Scott will never have humans flying at humans in an ultra cool martial arts type way because that isn't his style.
I don't need to see the movie to know this.
I'm not saying Ridley does 'wire work' as in martial arts films, which has always looked daft to me because even if you paint out the wire it still looks like... someone hanging from a wire, Im saying that that shot does appear to have a wire attached to the backpack, a screengrab shows it and it appears in more than one frame. Maybe the character is supposed to be on a wire, or maybe it hasn't been removed in post yet, but it's there...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1203.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb381%2Fconkerthump5%2Fwired.jpg&hash=aaab65f247a5b2e3477b707e541b4ec16e2aa4ff)
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 23, 2011, 12:11:21 AM
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 12:05:44 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
I really like the look of this being. There is something wrong about him; he looks clinical minded and powerful. A physcopath, without remorse or delusions of morality. If he is the creator of the alien then I approve. A creepy f**ker right there.
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/engineer.jpg
-Chris
A human, right there... Not a bizzare alien gigant, just human (bald, pale yet still very simple). Dissapointment.
still going with infected crew, and doubting that that bald guy is the space jockey(jockeys) and that space zombies is the basic premise of a ridley scott film
I really do hope you are right. But this head in ampule room... My instinct say bald guy is jockey.
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 23, 2011, 12:11:21 AM
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 12:05:44 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
I really like the look of this being. There is something wrong about him; he looks clinical minded and powerful. A physcopath, without remorse or delusions of morality. If he is the creator of the alien then I approve. A creepy f**ker right there.
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/engineer.jpg
-Chris
A human, right there... Not a bizzare alien gigant, just human (bald, pale yet still very simple). Dissapointment.
still going with infected crew, and doubting that that bald guy is the space jockey(jockeys) and that space zombies is the basic premise of a ridley scott film
I really do hope you are right. But this head in ampule room... My instinct say bald guy is jockey.
geeeeeeeez this movie is also about the origin of human kind , RECOGNIZE!!!!!!! :D
why is no one else interested in the flying saucer shape above the waterfall? lol or have i missed that discussion
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 12:16:09 AM
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 23, 2011, 12:11:21 AM
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 12:05:44 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
I really like the look of this being. There is something wrong about him; he looks clinical minded and powerful. A physcopath, without remorse or delusions of morality. If he is the creator of the alien then I approve. A creepy f**ker right there.
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/engineer.jpg
-Chris
A human, right there... Not a bizzare alien gigant, just human (bald, pale yet still very simple). Dissapointment.
still going with infected crew, and doubting that that bald guy is the space jockey(jockeys) and that space zombies is the basic premise of a ridley scott film
I really do hope you are right. But this head in ampule room... My instinct say bald guy is jockey.
well god i hope all of you are wrong, am guessing someone found something in the ship and went crazy, while at the same time jockeys got infected(facehugged) whatever and there is a crazy breed of alien around as well
Anyone (besides me) how when the woman dropping to her knees, you can see other crew members
in the back... one is in a wheel chair and one look like the mohawk-dude.
Anyone notice what appears to be wrecked parts of the Prometheus' landing gear in the scene near the end of the trailer when the alien ship is crashing down near the running humans? I'm wondering if the alien craft previously "took out" the Prometheus ship.
Trailer looks awesome. So looking forward to seeing how the jockeys work and the exenomorphs.
Can i point something out? It Leads me to believe that its not the Jockey but in fact a member of the ship
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg703.imageshack.us%2Fimg703%2F6573%2Fproms.png&hash=d73bf9f591d10f6cc1d4e255ebc16659f16aa477)
Quote from: nendo on Dec 23, 2011, 12:18:55 AM
why is no one else interested in the flying saucer shape above the waterfall? lol or have i missed that discussion
dont worry we are argueing about the same stuff for a month now ^^
but we think its the intro of the movie telling the story how mankind was made on earth by aliens
see ridley said the movie opens with a waterfall and the script opens with the story how mankind was made... so it matches...so that is a god damn ufo :D
But i have another thought....i looked closely and the burned guy , you know who touches his helmet is maybe the same strange headed guy who jumps on the other guy who wears a flamethrower
got me excited!! pretty much has the Jockey's chair (loved how it came out of the floor), the crashed ship and LV426. I wonder if the film will go into how it became the more hostile environment seen in Alien?!
Is this movie still in 2 parts like originally planned?!
Quote from: nendo on Dec 23, 2011, 12:29:05 AM
Can i point something out? It Leads me to believe that its not the Jockey but in fact a member of the ship
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6573/proms.png
yoyoyo just what i wanted to do :D
and now i dont think so that shaw will give a life to something she is in a pretty bad shape in this scene and maybe she has an operation
Quote from: nendo on Dec 23, 2011, 12:29:05 AM
Can i point something out? It Leads me to believe that its not the Jockey but in fact a member of the ship
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6573/proms.png
Honestly why does it matter?
Quote from: nendo on Dec 23, 2011, 12:29:05 AM
Can i point something out? It Leads me to believe that its not the Jockey but in fact a member of the ship
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6573/proms.png
Guy in this wheel chair looks like the giant actor who is supposively playing the engineer. With some makeup and no hair.
or maybe a jockey on the ship :)
but im more curious about the story not about the look of things at the moment...soooo many whys in my head ^^
Quote from: szkoki on Dec 23, 2011, 12:38:55 AM
Quote from: nendo on Dec 23, 2011, 12:29:05 AM
Can i point something out? It Leads me to believe that its not the Jockey but in fact a member of the ship
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6573/proms.png
yoyoyo just what i wanted to do :D
and now i dont think so that shaw will give a life to something she is in a pretty bad shape in this scene and maybe she has an operation
crazy friggan fans makin me think!-
okay
agreeing that that guy is crew and or infected or some other assumption we know nothing of and is not the jockeys
hence the skull being scanned, that given theres not enough material in this trailer to assume anything but now know for fact that this is a solid prequel to ALIEN and that theres some cool shit in it refering to alien which is great to see
-done- glad people can shutup about it not being a prequel to the beggining of a series we're all here for
not to mention there wasnt even a glimpse at creatures or anything we already know will be in the film if youve looked at pics or read anything Scott has said about the film
Quote from: tacksoap on Dec 23, 2011, 12:49:01 AM
Quote from: szkoki on Dec 23, 2011, 12:38:55 AM
Quote from: nendo on Dec 23, 2011, 12:29:05 AM
Can i point something out? It Leads me to believe that its not the Jockey but in fact a member of the ship
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6573/proms.png
yoyoyo just what i wanted to do :D
and now i dont think so that shaw will give a life to something she is in a pretty bad shape in this scene and maybe she has an operation
crazy friggan fans makin me think!-
okay
agreeing that that guy is crew and or infected or some other assumption we know nothing of and is not the jockeys
hence the skull being scanned, that given theres not enough material in this trailer to assume anything but now know for fact that this is a solid prequel to ALIEN and that theres some cool shit in it refering to alien which is great to see
-done- glad people can shutup about it not being a prequel to the beggining of a series we're all here for
not to mention there wasnt even a glimpse at creatures or anything we already know will be in the film if youve looked at pics or read anything Scott has said about the film
busy typing didnt see that reasuring analysis
Also love how it's done in the same style as the original Alien trailer from 79!! with sound and letters forming :) :) :)
Always loved the music effect from that original trailer, now heard again.
it does wet the appetite very much :) :) :)
Quote from: Rincewind78 on Dec 23, 2011, 12:36:52 AM
got me excited!! pretty much has the Jockey's chair (loved how it came out of the floor), the crashed ship and LV426. I wonder if the film will go into how it became the more hostile environment seen in Alien?!
Is this movie still in 2 parts like originally planned?!
the ship is not the one we saw in ALIEN, its another one of the same kind, and it's also another planet, not LV426.
so far there are no specific plans for a sequel, but Ridley has already hinted that he would like to do another one so chances are high that in the future they may produce one.
i guess it depends on how much $ Prometheus will make.
I think i just found out the story.
People go to a planet where they meet one of the engineers, only he stayed there waiting for the time to come when humans can reach there...here comes some booring explanation about our history and about the technology and about the knolewdge what he shares with us and so on...then the engineer wants to leave with all his preacious stuffs, but the military part of the crew is ordered to get everything from him and takes over the control of prometheus and shot the ship down, it falls back to the planet then hell breaks loose because the engineer unleashes something in his last moments to kill all the humans and sends a message to the others to bring a ship with full of alien eggs to earth...thats it... ???
By the way, do you know where can i read that leaked script about the movie? Is it any good?
If you closely compare the derelict from Alien to the one shown crashing in this film, they are very different looking. Same shape, but the front ends are different. So, I guess that means this is not the ship from Alien, and the planet it is crashing on is not LV-426. Unless the ship changes shape slightly or something. :-\
I disagree. I think this is the same derelict ship from Alien.
Don't forget that in prometheus we are seeing it in 'good working' order, much newer than when we see it in Alien, where it has been sitting there for many years.
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:00:10 AM
If you closely compare the derelict from Alien to the one shown crashing in this film, they are very different looking. Same shape, but the front ends are different. So, I guess that means this is not the ship from Alien, and the planet it is crashing on is not LV-426. Unless the ship changes shape slightly or something. :-\
Quote from: dryheat on Dec 23, 2011, 01:06:08 AM
I disagree. I think this is the same derelict ship from Alien.
Don't forget that in prometheus we are seeing it in 'good working' order, much newer than when we see it in Alien, where it has been sitting there for many years.
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:00:10 AM
If you closely compare the derelict from Alien to the one shown crashing in this film, they are very different looking. Same shape, but the front ends are different. So, I guess that means this is not the ship from Alien, and the planet it is crashing on is not LV-426. Unless the ship changes shape slightly or something. :-\
Google the old ship, large photos, the fronts of the ships are completely different.
Quote from: dryheat on Dec 23, 2011, 01:06:08 AM
I disagree. I think this is the same derelict ship from Alien.
Don't forget that in prometheus we are seeing it in 'good working' order, much newer than when we see it in Alien, where it has been sitting there for many years.
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:00:10 AM
If you closely compare the derelict from Alien to the one shown crashing in this film, they are very different looking. Same shape, but the front ends are different. So, I guess that means this is not the ship from Alien, and the planet it is crashing on is not LV-426. Unless the ship changes shape slightly or something. :-\
Then who the F word brought it to another planet after a crash? :)
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:00:10 AM
If you closely compare the derelict from Alien to the one shown crashing in this film, they are very different looking. Same shape, but the front ends are different. So, I guess that means this is not the ship from Alien, and the planet it is crashing on is not LV-426. Unless the ship changes shape slightly or something. :-\
I thought that on first glance but actually all the same shapes are there you are just viewing them upside down and the lighting de-emphasises some of the protrusions. Not saying it's the same ship but the shape of the front ends is much the same.
I wonder if the nature of the sjcraft is the same as the eggs, the lifeforms inside wait in status for visitors, they wake up, f**k the visitors, then use the spawn as bioweapons......????
Amazing that is a very cool trailer, the movie is going to be wonderful!.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 23, 2011, 01:09:39 AM
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:00:10 AM
If you closely compare the derelict from Alien to the one shown crashing in this film, they are very different looking. Same shape, but the front ends are different. So, I guess that means this is not the ship from Alien, and the planet it is crashing on is not LV-426. Unless the ship changes shape slightly or something. :-\
I thought that on first glance but actually all the same shapes are there you are just viewing them upside down and the lighting de-emphasises some of the protrusions. Not saying it's the same ship but the shape of the front ends is much the same.
Yeah your right. I take back what I said now. Maybe it is the same ship after all. Which if it is, thank God, cause it sure would be odd to have ships crashing similarly all over the place on different planets, lol.
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:16:19 AM
Quote from: Gash on Dec 23, 2011, 01:09:39 AM
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:00:10 AM
If you closely compare the derelict from Alien to the one shown crashing in this film, they are very different looking. Same shape, but the front ends are different. So, I guess that means this is not the ship from Alien, and the planet it is crashing on is not LV-426. Unless the ship changes shape slightly or something. :-\
I thought that on first glance but actually all the same shapes are there you are just viewing them upside down and the lighting de-emphasises some of the protrusions. Not saying it's the same ship but the shape of the front ends is much the same.
Yeah your right. I take back what I said now. Maybe it is the same ship after all. Which if it is, thank God, cause it sure would be odd to have ships crashing similarly all over the place on different planets, lol.
-.- not the same...the movie does not take place on lv-426
btw read my theory :D
"I think i just found out the story.
People go to a planet where they meet one of the engineers, only he stayed there waiting for the time to come when humans can reach there...here comes some booring explanation about our history and about the technology and about the knolewdge what he shares with us and so on...then the engineer wants to leave with all his preacious stuffs, but the military part of the crew is ordered to get everything from him and takes over the control of prometheus and shot the ship down, it falls back to the planet then hell breaks loose because the engineer unleashes something in his last moments to kill all the humans and sends a message to the others to bring a ship with full of alien eggs to earth...thats it...
"
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:00:10 AM
If you closely compare the derelict from Alien to the one shown crashing in this film, they are very different looking. Same shape, but the front ends are different. So, I guess that means this is not the ship from Alien, and the planet it is crashing on is not LV-426. Unless the ship changes shape slightly or something. :-\
Are you blind?
It freaking rolls around on the ground, crashing and all hell... of course it will change shape.
and 2 derilict ships crashing in the same way... don't think so.
The ship we see in THE ONE from Alien... nothing else.
Quote from: D-13 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:25:17 AM
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:00:10 AM
If you closely compare the derelict from Alien to the one shown crashing in this film, they are very different looking. Same shape, but the front ends are different. So, I guess that means this is not the ship from Alien, and the planet it is crashing on is not LV-426. Unless the ship changes shape slightly or something. :-\
Are you blind?
It freaking rolls around on the ground, crashing and all hell... of course it will change shape.
and 2 derilict ships crashing in the same way... don't think so.
The ship we see in THE ONE from Alien... nothing else.
oh my god...this is the last time i write it down...THIS PLANET IS NOT THE LV-426!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO ALIEN FOR GOD SAKE!!!!!
Quote from: szkoki on Dec 23, 2011, 01:18:48 AM
-.- not the same...the movie does not take place on lv-426
Well, neither did A L I E N, Cameron's planet don't look much like the unnamed planetoid from 1979. LV-426 is one of those terms I put along with xenomorph as inventions that bare little relation to Ridley's film.
Though, if by the slightest chance it is the same ship, I can forgive these inaccuracies. The Narcissus shuttle has some completely redesigned panelling in ALIENS than in ALIEN. The only problem I have is that it is not as organic as it should be. Most of these sets feel artificially Giger like...n good, but not perfect, imitation.
If you look at the picture of the SJ ship standing upright (if that is indeed how it is standing) the 3 wholes where the nostrromo crew enter look as if they would be far away from the ground, maybe the ship was a little more burried than we thought, or it had landed the outher way around all just theory
I was just noticing the same thing NENDO
It's not the same derelict.
The one in Alien had, above each of the three entrances, a raised protrusion in an 'O' shape with a vertical line running through the middle. Also, Alien's derelict had, on the face of its portside 'hammerhead' prong, five holes similar to the entrances in its centre.
LOL........ Right..?...?..?
Quote from: szkoki on Dec 23, 2011, 01:27:31 AM
Quote from: D-13 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:25:17 AM
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:00:10 AM
If you closely compare the derelict from Alien to the one shown crashing in this film, they are very different looking. Same shape, but the front ends are different. So, I guess that means this is not the ship from Alien, and the planet it is crashing on is not LV-426. Unless the ship changes shape slightly or something. :-\
Are you blind?
It freaking rolls around on the ground, crashing and all hell... of course it will change shape.
and 2 derilict ships crashing in the same way... don't think so.
The ship we see in THE ONE from Alien... nothing else.
oh my god...this is the last time i write it down...THIS PLANET IS NOT THE LV-426!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO ALIEN FOR GOD SAKE!!!!!
Quote from: D-13 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:25:17 AM
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:00:10 AM
If you closely compare the derelict from Alien to the one shown crashing in this film, they are very different looking. Same shape, but the front ends are different. So, I guess that means this is not the ship from Alien, and the planet it is crashing on is not LV-426. Unless the ship changes shape slightly or something. :-\
Are you blind?
It freaking rolls around on the ground, crashing and all hell... of course it will change shape.
and 2 derilict ships crashing in the same way... don't think so.
The ship we see in THE ONE from Alien... nothing else.
Woah, calm down man. No need to be so rude about it. Besides, by the time you posted this, I already changed my view on the ship. lol
Trust me... either you like it or not... after watching "Prometheus" .... The real ones will be the Alien(1979) fans...
Quote from: Gash on Dec 23, 2011, 01:30:23 AM
Quote from: szkoki on Dec 23, 2011, 01:18:48 AM
-.- not the same...the movie does not take place on lv-426
Well, neither did A L I E N, Cameron's planet don't look much like the unnamed planetoid from 1979. LV-426 is one of those terms I put along with xenomorph as inventions that bare little relation to Ridley's film.
Well actually alien and aliens did take place on the same planetoid. It didn't have the name lv-426 in the first film but it was defo the same planetoid.
It looked different due to different directors art directions
Quote from: nendo on Dec 23, 2011, 01:56:21 AM
Quote from: Gash on Dec 23, 2011, 01:30:23 AM
Quote from: szkoki on Dec 23, 2011, 01:18:48 AM
-.- not the same...the movie does not take place on lv-426
Well, neither did A L I E N, Cameron's planet don't look much like the unnamed planetoid from 1979. LV-426 is one of those terms I put along with xenomorph as inventions that bare little relation to Ridley's film.
Well actually alien and aliens did take place on the same planetoid. It didn't have the name lv-426 in the first film but it was defo the same planetoid.
It looked different due to different directors art directions
I also believe the planets may have looked a little different because in Aliens the planet had atmosphere processing stations, whereas in the first film this was not the case. Thats my theory on that anyway.
Quoteoh my god...this is the last time i write it down...THIS PLANET IS NOT THE LV-426!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO ALIEN FOR GOD SAKE!!!!!
How do you know this?? most people will think its the ship from Alien myself included, it must be surely! its a prequel to Alien to explain what happened to the crashed ship on the planet from Alien, who are the jockies and where does the xenomorph come from and why were they onboard the jockey ship.
We only see the rear/front end of the crashed ship in Alien, nothing else really, so you can't say the ship doesn't look the same. Plus the room with the jockey chair seems virtually identical.
If its not based on
LV-426 and its a different ship then there will have to be some major explaining in the plot cos I'm willing to bet 99.9% of people will see this trailer and think its the same ship and planet from Alien.
Does anyone wonder why there is a "road" when the three vehicles are racing back to the landing ship?
the ships are not identical. just very similar.
the one in prometheus looks more round to me aswel. the one in ALIEN is not as round.
the one in prometheus looks perhaps a bit more advanced and machine looking.
which would make sense with some of the other more Premium suggesting features.. such as those earns instead of eggs.
i am personally not that pleased with what appears to be the Jockey engineer. its kind of destroyed what i thought of the jockeys. i thought the Jockey was TRULY Alien. and i mean in a sense much more than just being a life form from outside earth. i mean very different. everything about the derelict in alien, the jockey, and the aliens themselves were all very different and alien.
in prometheus, the apparent engineer/jockey is not that far from human looking at all. and to be honest, the whole jockey suite concept really detracts from the original impression left in ALIEN.
it would be like suggesting the ALIEN in alien, was a suite. would that make the original alien as much of a fascination as it originally was? of course not.
the ship in prometheus definitely isn't quite as alien/gigerish, natural/bio organic looking. it looks alot more machined. which further detracts from the original ALIEN impression. the original organic look was alot more ALIEN to imagine as being a functional ship.
what was so succesfull in ALIEN was that Gigers designs and alien world was so different, so opposite in comparison, to the industrial human like technologies and designs. including humans as humans. and gigers legendary ALIEN itself.
BASED on this trailer, i feel ridley has potentially failed. he has brought the ALIEN Jockey even CLOSER in similarity to humans, the figure/man in a suite! and the ship now looks closer to a machined type ship of metals and familiar ship technology.
ALIEN originally worked because everything worked and appeared, felt so UNfamiliar to humanity.
also.. from what i see, the jockey design doesnt match the original one closely at all.. and the original jockey doesnt suggest a suit to me. an example of difference was the original jockey's head was low into its own chest with high raised shoulders. this jockey engineer looks incredibly human in stature.
feeling disappointed so far but still excited to see what can be done with the story.
Quote from: Samus007 on Dec 23, 2011, 01:59:20 AM
Quote from: nendo on Dec 23, 2011, 01:56:21 AM
Quote from: Gash on Dec 23, 2011, 01:30:23 AM
Quote from: szkoki on Dec 23, 2011, 01:18:48 AM
-.- not the same...the movie does not take place on lv-426
Well, neither did A L I E N, Cameron's planet don't look much like the unnamed planetoid from 1979. LV-426 is one of those terms I put along with xenomorph as inventions that bare little relation to Ridley's film.
Well actually alien and aliens did take place on the same planetoid. It didn't have the name lv-426 in the first film but it was defo the same planetoid.
It looked different due to different directors art directions
I also believe the planets may have looked a little different because in Aliens the planet had atmosphere processing stations, whereas in the first film this was not the case. Thats my theory on that anyway.
In terms of the film then yes that is a possibility. but then u have to ask "why is the terrain so flat in the second filme compaired to the first?"
Quote from: Gash on Dec 23, 2011, 01:30:23 AM
Quote from: szkoki on Dec 23, 2011, 01:18:48 AM
-.- not the same...the movie does not take place on lv-426
Well, neither did A L I E N, Cameron's planet don't look much like the unnamed planetoid from 1979. LV-426 is one of those terms I put along with xenomorph as inventions that bare little relation to Ridley's film.
Why is this even in discussion. It is absolutely established that Cameron's A L I E N S took place on the same planetoid upon which the Nostromo crew investigated the Derelict. That is not even open for discussion. The planet was named "Acheron" in the A L I E N novelization, and designated LV-426 in Cameron's movie. But I don't know how anyone could watch Cameron's ALIENS and come to the conclusion they were different planetoids. Heck, the Director's cut shows Newts family going to the Derelict ship in their rover, which is how the colony got infected in the first place.
The conditions look different between the two films because in ALIENS, the atmospheric processing stations have been in operation for some period of time, and the planet and atmosphere are partially "terra-formed". However, when the drop ship crashes, and strands Ripley, Hicks, Newt and the team on the surface, you can clearly see the strange rock formations that are similar to what is seen in the the original movie.
Note that I am just stating the fact that A L I E N and ALIENS took place on the same planet/planetoid. I am NOT arguing (one way or the other) that P R O M E T H E U S is set on the same planet. I do not know the answer to that...and like everyone else, we are just going to have to wait to find out...if there is any link between them at all.
I agree that the new Jockey ship is definitely different in design to the '79 derelict - but the differences are very subtle. The protusions at the end of the 'arms' are slightly different (and smaller) and the overall bio-mech look is slightly more...mechanical. And that now bothers me because everything relating to the Jockey tech in Prometheus is steered towards a more mechanical look and feel.
I also originally voiced my opinion that the planet was not LV426 because the environment was more hospitable and didnt really look anything like the Alien '79 planetoid. But I have since noticed that many of the rock formations have that familiar 'sloped' look about them, like on LV426.
So heres a new wacky theory...
What if the Jockey Ship crash causes something incredibly acrid and potent to be released into the atmosphere in vast quantities such that the ship and the entire planet undergoes a metamorphosis. Almost like it had been melted with acid! Maybe the Jockey ship would then bow slightly, and become stripped of an outer layer exposing a more bone-like structure, like the original derelict. The planet would also undergo a 'melted' appearance too, and end up becoming a wind swept, barren, melted landscape, like LV426!
The Jockey chamber and the 'pilot' sitting in the chair with his suit on would become more bone like and look melted to the chair!
And the ampule cannisters - would be morphed into hideous egg-like containers of a new alien life form...
Just a thought. :P
Peter Briggs (original writer of Aliens vs Predator) on Facebook has heard a rumor that the planet is really
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Earth in the distant past, if what I've heard is true.
Take and HOPE that's just a rumor.
Quote from: 180924609 on Dec 23, 2011, 02:27:32 AM
So heres a new wacky theory...
What if the Jockey Ship crash causes something incredibly acrid and potent to be released into the atmosphere in vast quantities such that the ship and the entire planet undergoes a metamorphosis. Almost like it had been melted with acid! Maybe the Jockey ship would then bow slightly, and become stripped of an outer layer exposing a more bone-like structure, like the original derelict. The planet would also undergo a 'melted' appearance too, and end up becoming a wind swept, barren, melted landscape, like LV426!
The Jockey chamber and the 'pilot' sitting in the chair with his suit on would become more bone like and look melted to the chair!
And the ampule cannisters - would be morphed into hideous egg-like containers of a new alien life form...
Just a thought. :P
well if this is the case, i will be dissappointed if i do not see the original beautiful space scape by Dennis Lowe..:
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unless i see it, i won't believe its LV426.
the prequal should be loose. it makes more sense if its a loose pre equal showing a sequence of events that are not part of the original story but a separate story that leaves more "suggestive" answers to the story line of ALIEN.
In Alien the derelict's two endpoints are pointing up and away from the ground:
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In the trailer it seems clear that the ship crashes down onto the planet flat, because we see the endpoints hitting the ground. Also I don't recall any structural damage visible on the derelict in Alien, while in the trailer the ship is being rocked by a big explosion.
Perhaps an even bigger reason why it can't be the same ship is that, if it is, then that means there are thousands of alien eggs on board which means the team will find them, and Scott has repeatedly said there are no aliens in this film.
How is the the planet housing the derelict ship in 'Alien' and the same planet (dubbed LV-426) in 'Aliens' a cause for confusion? REALLY?!? Of course they're one & the same planet!
Don't you remember the whole Weyland-Yutani legal hearing Ripley went to in the beginning of 'Aliens', or her dialogue w/ Burke later in the film ("You sent those people there, Burke...you knew what was in there!"). Beyond that, in the extended version of 'Aliens', they show Newt family (the Jordens) prospecting the derelict (and they show the ship).
As to the derelict in 'Alien' NOT being the same ship as that shown in the 'Prometheus' trailer - that's ludicrous: What, the Engineer/Jockey people just make a habit of crashing their ships wherever they go? That actually makes SENSE to you? HOW?
Quote from: obijuanmartinez on Dec 23, 2011, 02:44:46 AM
How is the the planet housing the derelict ship in 'Alien' and the same planet (dubbed LV-426) in 'Aliens' a cause for confusion? REALLY?!? Of course they're one & the same planet!
Don't you remember the whole Weyland-Yutani legal hearing Ripley went to in the beginning of 'Aliens', or her dialogue w/ Burke later in the film ("You sent those people there, Burke...you knew what was in there!"). Beyond that, in the extended version of 'Aliens', they show Newt family (the Jordens) prospecting the derelict (and they show the ship).
I believe I already covered that in my post just a few prior to yours. Does anyone read anyone's posts anymore?
At the beginning of the trailer 0:20 the Prometheus appears to be approaching what looks like a circular cloud formation on the planet's atmosphere. This is possibly caused by the terraforming device? Maybe that device is the large round saucer object at the top of the falls?
Visible on the still from the trailer at 1:09 on the viewscreen in the vehicle Noomi is operating, looks like what appears to be some digital images/maps of the planet with a large circular area marked out. Could be related to this then again could be something else entirely.
Quote from: obijuanmartinez on Dec 23, 2011, 02:44:46 AM
As to the derelict in 'Alien' NOT being the same ship as that shown in the 'Prometheus' trailer - that's ludicrous: What, the Engineer/Jockey people just make a habit of crashing their ships wherever they go? That actually makes SENSE to you? HOW?
lol.
there is much more chance this ship in prometheus crashed for a reason or may have been "stopped" by the crew (there is already strong evidence suggesting this in the trailer)
and not be the same ship.
alot more likely possibility than this ship being the same one in ALIEN, does it make more snese to you that what is meant ot be the "same ship" is actually different and only very similar at best?
do two aeroplanes make eachother the same ship? no.
and neither do two helicoptors or two cars.
its two different ships imo.
Quote from: Face Jockey on Dec 23, 2011, 02:54:57 AM
At the beginning of the trailer 0:20 the Prometheus appears to be approaching what looks like a circular cloud formation on the planet's atmosphere. This is possibly caused by the terraforming device? Maybe that device is the large round saucer object at the top of the falls?
Visible on the still from the trailer at 1:09 on the viewscreen in the vehicle Noomi is operating, looks like what appears to be some digital images/maps of the planet with a large circular area marked out. Could be related to this then again could be something else entirely.
Could the round black, disc shape that appears above the waterfall perhaps be the opening to a wormhole?? Just a thought.
Ich will Prometheus.
Quote from: Esoteric_Voyage on Dec 23, 2011, 02:56:28 AM
Quote from: obijuanmartinez on Dec 23, 2011, 02:44:46 AM
As to the derelict in 'Alien' NOT being the same ship as that shown in the 'Prometheus' trailer - that's ludicrous: What, the Engineer/Jockey people just make a habit of crashing their ships wherever they go? That actually makes SENSE to you? HOW?
lol.
there is much more chance this ship in prometheus crashed for a reason or may have been "stopped" by the crew (there is already strong evidence suggesting this in the trailer)
and not be the same ship.
alot more likely possibility than this ship being the same one in ALIEN, does it make more snese to you that what is meant ot be the "same ship" is actually different and only very similar at best?
do two aeroplanes make eachother the same ship? no.
and neither do two helicoptors or two cars.
its two different ships imo.
What evidence are you referring to?
The ship looks the same, so I am going to assume it's the same ship.
Just some speculations and observations.
First of all I hope the bald man is not the jockey. That would be lame. Please make the jockey a mysterious extraterrestrial and not a man. If it is a man, I'll be almost as dissapointed as I was when I watched CONTACT's ending. >:( :'(
With that said in the red circle in this picture, is that a person hiding in the sarcophagus or a film crew member? ???
In the yellow circle. Is that possibly a space jockey mask with the trunk sticking up in the air? As if when someone or thing sits in the chair it flips down over the user's face? ???
In the green circle, just a wild thought. What if the jockeys are in these sarcophagus/cryo chambers and jettisoned into the jockey chair and ready to fly the ship? :D
In the purple circle. Is that a head under that glass looking dome and is it a creature in a cryo chamber, possibly a jockey? ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg80.imageshack.us%2Fimg80%2F723%2Fpromoc.jpg&hash=cf2ddd34f7b563915a7959b1343f04362b9865e7)
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 23, 2011, 03:00:31 AM
Quote from: Face Jockey on Dec 23, 2011, 02:54:57 AM
At the beginning of the trailer 0:20 the Prometheus appears to be approaching what looks like a circular cloud formation on the planet's atmosphere. This is possibly caused by the terraforming device? Maybe that device is the large round saucer object at the top of the falls?
Visible on the still from the trailer at 1:09 on the viewscreen in the vehicle Noomi is operating, looks like what appears to be some digital images/maps of the planet with a large circular area marked out. Could be related to this then again could be something else entirely.
Could the round black, disc shape that appears above the waterfall perhaps be the opening to a wormhole?? HMMMMMMM ??
maybe, nice idea, i like it.
it probably serves some sort of purpose for the ship
Also, there would surely be signs of a previous exploration when the Nostromo crew encountered the derelict, especially if they found the egg chamber. And finally, one of the shots in the trailer shows either lightning or some kind of electrical disturbance (terraforming?) in the clouds above the planet. LV-426 had neither lightning nor terraforming.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 23, 2011, 03:00:53 AM
Ich will Prometheus.
Quote from: Esoteric_Voyage on Dec 23, 2011, 02:56:28 AM
Quote from: obijuanmartinez on Dec 23, 2011, 02:44:46 AM
As to the derelict in 'Alien' NOT being the same ship as that shown in the 'Prometheus' trailer - that's ludicrous: What, the Engineer/Jockey people just make a habit of crashing their ships wherever they go? That actually makes SENSE to you? HOW?
lol.
there is much more chance this ship in prometheus crashed for a reason or may have been "stopped" by the crew (there is already strong evidence suggesting this in the trailer)
and not be the same ship.
alot more likely possibility than this ship being the same one in ALIEN, does it make more snese to you that what is meant ot be the "same ship" is actually different and only very similar at best?
do two aeroplanes make eachother the same ship? no.
and neither do two helicoptors or two cars.
its two different ships imo.
What evidence are you referring to?
the debris of one of the crews ship is amongst the debris of the alien ship.
this suggests collision.
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Quote from: Esoteric_Voyage on Dec 22, 2011, 09:15:26 PM
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this guy..
Expect all that blood on the female character (almost certainly Rapace) to be removed digitally if Rothman orders a PG-13 cut. There is a precedent - Die Hard 4.0.
They did exactly the same thing and the evidence is here, it's in German, but you get the picture, literally:
http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=4522 (http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=4522)
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this doesn't need to be blood.it could also be dirt.notice her elbow and her palm.then her assand her back.she crawled through dirt,layed down on her back in dirt
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now for all the people arguing about the ship.look at these 2 interiors.do they look like the insides of the same ship?the platform is different,the wall design is different.
it is possible that if the ship on lv 426 was there for millenia,then the one the crew encounters now is more advanced,different designs and so on..
and yeah wierd disk above the waterfall,and roads on a alien planet.and i'm dissapointed in the human guy near the chair.his face doesn't look entirely,the lines of his nose,dunno seems weird.he does look to have a biomechanoid suit,but he still seems to small for that chair.look at his arms,not like the ones of the space jockey.small and they lack those biomechanic details
now this is got to be the stand out movie of 2012.batman we already know what the deal is,seen it before,the hobbit isn't exactly fresh anymore.but when is the last time you saw a horror sci fi movie set in deep space,on other worlds,with other civilizations and profound themes?
Holy shit it really is an Alien prequel, I am officially excited again. That trailer was awesome.
Quote from: zuzuki on Dec 23, 2011, 03:19:05 AM
now for all the people arguing about the ship.look at these 2 interiors.do they look like the insides of the same ship?the platform is different,the wall design is different.
it is possible that if the ship on lv 426 was there for millenia,then the one the crew encounters now is more advanced,different designs and so on..
and yeah wierd disk above the waterfall,and roads on a alien planet.and i'm dissapointed in the human guy near the chair.his face doesn't look entirely,the lines of his nose,dunno seems weird.he does look to have a biomechanoid suit,but he still seems to small for that chair.look at his arms,not like the ones of the space jockey.small and they lack those biomechanic details
now this is got to be the stand out movie of 2012.batman we already know what the deal is,seen it before,the hobbit isn't exactly fresh anymore.but when is the last time you saw a horror sci fi movie set in deep space,on other worlds,with other civilizations and profound themes?
Well there are differences, but could still be same ship. Ship in Alien was crashed, could explain different look, proportions.
Quote from: bleau on Dec 23, 2011, 03:26:08 AM
Well there are differences, but could still be same ship. Ship in Alien was crashed, could explain different look, proportions.
so what if it's crashed?the design of the interiors and size wouldn't change.they are different
Does anyone actually have any clue how big the ship in Alien was?? we probably haven't seen all of it, much could of been buried or destroyed flying off all over the place. All you see in Alien is the back end or the front end sticking up in the air.
We also don't know how big the ship is inside, it looks pretty huge from the outside, so the section where the eggs were (found by the Nostromo crew) could be somewhere on the ship which simple isn't seen in this new film, in the bowels somewhere.
When I saw the trailer the first thing that hit my mind was its the original ship from Alien plus the original room with the original jockey chair, it must be.
The pics shown there do look different yes :( doesn't mean its a new ship, may just mean they have screwed up the continuity hehe some one give Riddles a call and find out.
Quote from: zuzuki on Dec 23, 2011, 03:29:22 AM
Quote from: bleau on Dec 23, 2011, 03:26:08 AM
Well there are differences, but could still be same ship. Ship in Alien was crashed, could explain different look, proportions.
so what if it's crashed?the design of the interiors and size wouldn't change.they are different
AH yeah it probably would because panels, parts of the ship could come off, look what ever. Now my point is the differences are vary subtle, you talk about the design as if it's completely different, I think your a little off base. I don't want to be the one to burst your bubble, but it's highly possible it could be the same ship.?
I am sure some have made the connection about the Prometheus SJ helm being examined and its size. And people noticed the SJ trophy from AvP:R was smaller than the one from ALIEN.
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Coincidence?
I think SJs can and do vary in size. Just like any other creature/species does.
It will be interesting if Ridley explains this or not.
Still, I am open minded about this..but, I hope this doesn't kill off the lore of the Aliens or the "elephant-ish" creature SJs we've come to know.
Just watched. I loved. Very nice. Great imagery, great pace, very surreal. For the first time, I am pumped.
seriously anyone who rips on this trailer is clearly has no idea what they are saying this movie is clearly made in the old school way of filmaking and alot of love and care has been braught to this movie (from what i can see) and this is the freshest way of bringing any kind of life into the alien sega after what AVP and AVPR has done to the xenomorph mythologie. anyone who can nitpick this is extremely cinical or has just been spoiled by the establishement so much that he does not recognise a good movie when he sees one !!! ridley scott is back and James Cameron can eat his hearth out because this is the comeback he wished he had done !!!
For the record there is no confusion over the planetoid in ALIEN and 'LV-426' being the same place, but the point is that there are major differences in the way it is portrayed that go beyond terraforming. In ALIEN the planetoid is an insignificant little moon with a few hours rotation, and nothing of any worth being present there. Ash's line about there being deep coal, well below the line, presumably alludes to it being not worth mining.
In Aliens, there is no evidence of a ringed planet, the look from space is entirely different and the planetoid - or LV-426 by this time - is apparently important enough to colonise. You can argue that the colonisation is a scam for the company to search for the derelict, although the director's cut deoesn't support that idea as Burke sends Newt's family to check out the derelict after Ripley's hearing IIRC.
So, a random tiny moon in the darkest reaches of space and nine months from Earth - somewhere unlikely to feature on any star-map it's so desolate, becomes a planet worthy of terraforming and colonising. Ok 57 years have passed but to me it's another example of Cameron remoulding elements of Ridleys film to suit his story without really bothering to be very faithful. Therefore, whenever I hear 'LV-426' I think of it as being a re-invention; it's supposed to be the same place, just as the aliens - or xenomorphs - are supposed to be like Kane's Son, but they don't quite feel the same. It's just my personal reaction to it.
Prometheus ties only to A L I E N by all accounts and not to any of the films after. I doubt it will actively contradict them, but I'm happy for terms like xenomorph and LV-426 to be left to the sequel which veers into more simplistic territory.
These things bother me more than the egg in Alien3, or any of the other inconsistencies overseen by Fincher that upset Aliens fans; Cameron made just as many changes, if not more, in his sequel to A L I E N, but because Aliens wraps itself up into a tidy story, it doesn't seem to bother people that much. I'm afraid it always irked me.
Is this planet in Prometheus the same one as in A L I E N? Well who can say, the teaser doesn't show us the end result, the environment might well change, the ship might bend, the interior that looks different right now might merely be more fleshed out in working order, and denuded and emaciated by the time Dallas and co find it.
My assumption has been that this is a different ship and a different (smaller) jockey, but there's little to confirm this. It's reasonable to assume the rib cage interior of the derelict in A L I E N might have been different when the ship was active, and if you look at the 1979 Jockey dias it now looks like a stripped bare mechanism, so the softer surface of the new dias could be the same thing in better times.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 23, 2011, 04:08:06 AM
In Aliens, there is no evidence of a ringed planet, the look from space is entirely different and the planetoid - or LV-426 by this time - is apparently important enough to colonise. You can argue that the colonisation is a scam for the company to search for the derelict, although the director's cut deoesn't support that idea as Burke sends Newt's family to check out the derelict after Ripley's hearing IIRC.
Although, what's interesting is that Burke does this on his own initiative; he may not be aware of what WY is actually trying to achieve behind the scenes. Burke isn't a higher-up member of the company and nor do we know if there's a "shadow organization" acting behind the scenes of the public image WY portrays (as is the case in Alien). I'd argue that it's highly unlikely - a near impossibility - that their colonization efforts are located so close to the Derelict when they could have wound up anywhere on the planetoid. This becomes extra suspicious when combined with Ash's comments about the planetoid's natural resources. There's even a question as to whether the Nostromo's trip was rigged with the knowledge that something was on that planet (did another ship catch the distress signal? Did they already know where to look because of a previous incident? Etc.) Anyway. in all likelihood, after terraforming the planet in full, or into a healthier state, proper research development would have begun, facilitating the exploration of the derelict craft and so forth.
Burke, in this case, unfortunately acts on Ripley's intel and goes against WY's own plot without ever realizing this. And, in the end, royally screws everything up.
It's possible the Engineer is one of the biomechanicals mentioned as being in the film. The ship's design certainly indicates a possible fusion of organic and mechanical construction. This would make sense for the idea that the engineers/jockeys plug in or fuse to their chairs and the ship. Also a being of godlike technological status would most likely be able to engineer and construct its own form out of a very specific combination of elements most suited for its purposes.
In the context of Ridley's remarks about DNA, though perhaps not intentionally literal; the very fact that even the original Xenomorph was able to mutate and effect humans and dogs etc, implies that in the Alien universe, organic DNA is at least partially compatible across species from different planets. That concept would strongly suggest a single original source for the DNA in order to retain this compatibility. DNA seeding could be a part of the Engineers terraforming. They may have simply been the very first species to develop interstellar travel capability and then went around seeding loads of planets, including Earth, making themselves literally gods and having the ability to later adjust evolved lifeforms on a seeded planet.
Then naturally Weyland corporation would want to seize this technology for weapons, as by now we must have guessed that all the higher ups at Weyland are probably androids like Ash or Vickers anyhow and have evolved their own dark motives.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 23, 2011, 04:08:06 AM
For the record there is no confusion over the planetoid in ALIEN and 'LV-426' being the same place, but the point is that there are major differences in the way it is portrayed that go beyond terraforming. In ALIEN the planetoid is an insignificant little moon with a few hours rotation, and nothing of any worth being present there. Ash's line about there being deep coal, well below the line, presumably alludes to it being not worth mining.
Gash, just a clarification. Ash's line is "Deep
Cold, well below the line". It was during his assay of the atmosphere and it's gas constitutents. Not Coal, as in the mineral.
And from the shooting script:
QuoteDALLAS
Anything else.
ASH
Rock, lava base. And cold...
well below the centrigrade line.
Quote from: Hubbs on Dec 23, 2011, 02:00:24 AM
How do you know this?? most people will think its the ship from Alien myself included, it must be surely! its a prequel to Alien to explain what happened to the crashed ship on the planet from Alien, who are the jockies and where does the xenomorph come from and why were they onboard the jockey ship.
The writer has stated in an interview that it's not about the same ship.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 10:18:08 PM
Why everyone wants xenomorphs in this movie?? This is intelligent movie, or I rather say, more inteligent movie than Aliens with Colonial Marines.
If you thought '
Aliens' was purely mindless action, you need to review it.
Quote from: RumorControl on Dec 23, 2011, 02:35:49 AM
In the trailer it seems clear that the ship crashes down onto the planet flat, because we see the endpoints hitting the ground.
There's no proof it crashes in such a manner. It shouldn't be presumed that what we see is in chronological order. We could be seeing it in 'launch position' or there could be two completely different craft or the one in the air could be human - there are many possibilities.
Updated the first post with true 1080p screencaps.
Quote from: HMRUBICON on Dec 23, 2011, 03:01:17 AM
Just some speculations and observations.
First of all I hope the bald man is not the jockey. That would be lame. Please make the jockey a mysterious extraterrestrial and not a man. If it is a man, I'll be almost as dissapointed as I was when I watched CONTACT's ending. >:( :'(
With that said in the red circle in this picture, is that a person hiding in the sarcophagus or a film crew member? ???
In the yellow circle. Is that possibly a space jockey mask with the trunk sticking up in the air? As if when someone or thing sits in the chair it flips down over the user's face? ???
In the green circle, just a wild thought. What if the jockeys are in these sarcophagus/cryo chambers and jettisoned into the jockey chair and ready to fly the ship? :D
In the purple circle. Is that a head under that glass looking dome and is it a creature in a cryo chamber, possibly a jockey? ;D
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Interesting observation on how the Cryo chamber thingy looks like it could load into the front of the chair like a torpedo loader. I just had a rediculous thought. What if the beings inside the chambers (assuming that is what they are and they are occupied) somehow merge together in the chair to form a single entity? So the chair rotates, and each cryo chamber is loaded until we have our finished engineer.
I love love love the look of the Space Jockey being (singular) :)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 23, 2011, 04:54:21 AM
I love love love the look of the Space Jockey beings.....
Huh, do you have some pics I am not aware of? Or are you talking about the tall bald guy?? I am confused.
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 23, 2011, 04:39:22 AM
Quote from: Gash on Dec 23, 2011, 04:08:06 AM
For the record there is no confusion over the planetoid in ALIEN and 'LV-426' being the same place, but the point is that there are major differences in the way it is portrayed that go beyond terraforming. In ALIEN the planetoid is an insignificant little moon with a few hours rotation, and nothing of any worth being present there. Ash's line about there being deep coal, well below the line, presumably alludes to it being not worth mining.
Gash, just a clarification. Ash's line is "Deep Cold, well below the line". It was during his assay of the atmosphere and it's gas constitutents. Not Coal, as in the mineral.
And from the shooting script:
QuoteDALLAS
Anything else.
ASH
Rock, lava base. And cold...
well below the centrigrade line.
Ok, I assumed from the way Dallas reacts with an interested 'hmm' that he was thinking of mining possibilties, plus it always sounded like coal to me and would appear to make sense following 'rock and lava base', however if the shooting script says that, so be it, it makes more sense with the centigrade added.
The point stands though that this is a desolate tiny moon, insignificant to the point of being the loneliest, darkest corner of the universe. But then it becomes a planet fit for family colonisation, for no great reason, in Aliens. The label LV-426 evokes that inconsistency.
I just wanted to say my reaction from the trailer is that this probably will end up being the definitive best Alien/Predator related movie ever made.
I think the trailer is very cool with obvious ties to the original Alien.
However, much like Star Wars prequels, there isn't a definitive bible that should be followed with the mythos. These are just movies after all and the original Alien could very well be described as a B-Grade monster movie plot (although a VERY well made monster movie). While there has been much speculation and thought put into the expanded universe of the Alien mythos, it is Ridley's movie and he can change what he wants to. Which I think he already has in regards to the space jockey being a suited humanoid instead of a large biomechanical being (which it obviously is in the original Alien). This is a new "experience" that has homages to the original Alien. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you analyze the movie frame by frame and compare it to a movie 30 years old expecting things to look EXACTLY the same. ::) Go with the ride and have fun!
Sooooo
I've been watching the trailer on loop since it came out
and I stayed up til 330 in the morning to watch it (Australian time)
and I've come to the conclusion that THIS WILL BE THE BEST MOVIE OF 2012!!!!
However
I was abit disappointed with the 2 removed scenes from the leaked trailer which I wanted to watch in High Def
:(
There probably a better forum to clarify this on, but there's some things I don't know as I've tried (to no avail) to stay away from any spoilers. So just wanted to know:
- Prometheus, is the ship with all the main characters on it right?
- What is this mutation stuff people keep talking about?
- And what's with the rape comments?
(will it still be perverse despite not having the rapey xeno from the first film?)
Also
Here is how I think the SJ story might go...
The people go searching for this 'higher power' and find this ship with this big human face thing waiting for them.
Somehow they all turn against each other or these mutations or whatever.
And eventually in some massive twist, they become the space jockeys and it was really us who created the Alien Xenos...
I dunno...
Still hoping for giant elephant man however
:P
Also I wouldn't be surprised if what Ridley is saying are somewhat lies, he could have a massive twist at the end or something
But I think the ship and planet will be the same, because it would satisfy the fans, (I get goosebumps just be thinking about it and seeing the ship in the trailer)
Also Charlize Theron is a sexy minx
(0:40)
and 0:37 is totally a Ripley look
One thing though, how come in this they have these streamlined suits and then in Alien they have these big bulky suit things....?
hmmmm
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Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 23, 2011, 04:51:36 AM
Updated the first post with true 1080p screencaps.
thank you jay for all the effort you have made bringing us info, screen caps, mirrors etc etc.
thanks to staff too for their effort.
rich
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 23, 2011, 04:54:21 AM
I love love love the look of the Space Jockey being (singular) :)
the being looks good but im still a little disappointed that the sj is not a full fledged alien creature, also a bit disappointed that it doesn't look like it will be to the scale of the original.
im still sure the movie will be amazing though and these slight irks haven't dampened my enthusiasm, and maybe when we get to actually see what goes on with the sjs and suits my disappointments may disappear.
thanks
rich
As an Alien fan, I am also disappointed by the apparent humanoid Space Jockey. As a general scifi fan, however, I'm still f**king pumped for this film.
Quote from: Zenomorph on Dec 23, 2011, 06:37:19 AM
One thing though, how come in this they have these streamlined suits and then in Alien they have these big bulky suit things....?
hmmmm
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Because 30 years is a long time in technology in the real world and things have changed. We should be grateful that the interior of the Prometheus is as close to looking like its of the same universe as it is. The suits are also probably designed to do very different things. The Nostromo crew suits had lots of armor plating on them. No doubt for use in very hazardous environments.
I'm glad everyone liked the trailer and I seen other people who really liked it on other movie websties as well. I have yet to see one people who said something about the trailer.
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greetings
THE PRECIOUSSSSS
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 08:30:34 AM
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awesome, nice work panda, thanks
rich
Looks like it does have a beak like I was thinking after all. Or at the very least its tube-thing has been ripped off. Ouch.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 08:30:34 AM
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I get it
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Those red lasers made a clean cut :laugh:
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 08:40:10 AM
Those red lasers made a clean cut :laugh:
from the predator? 8) ;D
thanks
rich
Anyone recognizes this guy? Too short sequence...
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Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 08:47:17 AM
Anyone recognizes this guy? Too short sequence...
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no idea, but at a guess i would say logan marshall green as he appears to be in bed with someone covered in something like blood or mud which i take to be noomi rapace due to the other shot of her falling covered in blood or mud and the fact theyre meant to be lovers!.
thats my sherlock deduction for the day!.
thanks
rich
I'm just saying, but could the man in the wheelchair be the tall man in the Space Jockey chair shot?
Spoiler
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Had this before, yes COULD be.
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Dec 23, 2011, 08:59:03 AM
I'm just saying, but could the man in the wheelchair be the tall man in the Space Jockey chair shot?
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It's him obviously. I don't know why people have to jump to conclusions so much. Do you think Scott would purposesly put the freaking Space Jockey reveal in a really early teaser trailer? There's a reason why there is a big bald guy going through a transformation in another shot in this trailer.
Exactly what i'm thinking. Just cheap bait, diversion.
They use humans as component for their tech, this bald guy will become a biological battery to power the chair...and you need 4 of 'em ;D
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I dont thing that is a helmet....
Quote from: originaldrdoom on Dec 23, 2011, 03:45:34 AM
I am sure some have made the connection about the Prometheus SJ helm being examined and its size. And people noticed the SJ trophy from AvP:R was smaller than the one from ALIEN.
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Coincidence?
I think SJs can and do vary in size. Just like any other creature/species does.
SJ dont exist in reality....you know?
Where did he mention that they exist in RL?
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 09:48:56 AM
Where did he mention that they exist in RL?
Sometimes is funny how people especulate about all this Alien world like if it realy exist, discusing about their morphology, life cicles etc..At the end is just a guy wrting down his ideas, respecting (or not) the preestablished canon on the previous movies.
I think (and Hope) that Riddley didn't consider the AVP movies at all..
funny thing, i remember seen a Giger interview he explained that he was furious because the studio didnt like the outside design
of the derelict ship because it was so weird an organic and they want something more mechanic to contrast the landscape although Ridley was ok to film the scenes. later Fox let film the scenes because they already were late on schedule and took the risk. 30 years later the circle is complete and the same studio let the now icon ship be filmed with the same director even in 3d. studios never learn, never will.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 23, 2011, 09:55:53 AM
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 09:48:56 AM
Where did he mention that they exist in RL?
Sometimes is funny how people especulate about all this Alien world like if it realy exist, discusing about their morphology, life cicles etc..At the end is just a guy wrting down his ideas, respecting (or not) the preestablished canon on the previous movies.
I think (and Hope) that Riddley didn't consider the AVP movies at all..
i always have a problem with this line about ridley deciding on avp canon because he is not george lucas, he doesn't own the rights to this movie franchise so that would be up to fox, ok he doesn't have to acknowledge them or link to them in any way shape or form but if fox say to him that avp is canon and he must not break it then there's nothing he can do about it. now its always possible that he may have negotiated to be able to do as he likes or demanded it as part of the agreement to him making the movie but ultimately its up to fox and they may want canon kept in case they decide to make more avps, predators or whatever.
thanks
rich
Anyone who is in doubt Ridley stated that this is not an Alien prequel wich means its not directly related to Alien, so its not the same ship, not the same space jockey, not the same planet oooooooooor we are being fooled once again by hollywood just to watch the movie and recognize that 'hey this is the same planet, the same jockey, the same ship!' xD
http://iaro.3dmax.hu/images/2011/12/23/prometheus-tlr1_h1080pmov_snapshot_0035_20111223_104442.png (http://iaro.3dmax.hu/images/2011/12/23/prometheus-tlr1_h1080pmov_snapshot_0035_20111223_104442.png)
on this picture the kneeling guy is the mohawk creepy looking crew member so we can deny the fact that he is a mutant i guess...just burned, because who has a melted face with acid also have a mohawk hairstyle if you look closey
Hi, i'm new here at AVPGalaxy
already posted in the new member thread so that i won't post shit about me here :D
I was following the Prometheus threads for some time and i would like to join the discussion (sorry for my english, i'm german)
Because i haven't seen the trailer in hd and the itunes sucks..at least mine.. i wanted to ask if the downloads on the first page are legal (worrying about copyright, have been caught once... ONCE)
thx in advance!
Quote from: szkoki on Dec 23, 2011, 10:55:50 AM
Anyone who is in doubt Ridley stated that this is not an Alien prequel wich means its not directly related to Alien, so its not the same ship, not the same space jockey, not the same planet oooooooooor we are being fooled once again by hollywood just to watch the movie and recognize that 'hey this is the same planet, the same jockey, the same ship!' xD
http://iaro.3dmax.hu/images/2011/12/23/prometheus-tlr1_h1080pmov_snapshot_0035_20111223_104442.png (http://iaro.3dmax.hu/images/2011/12/23/prometheus-tlr1_h1080pmov_snapshot_0035_20111223_104442.png)
on this picture the kneeling guy is the mohawk creepy looking crew member so we can deny the fact that he is a mutant i guess...just burned, because who has a melted face with acid also have a mohawk hairstyle if you look closey
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Great point! Still, his suit looked really damaged, so it's safe to assume that he still gets effed up.
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 23, 2011, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 23, 2011, 09:55:53 AM
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 09:48:56 AM
Where did he mention that they exist in RL?
Sometimes is funny how people especulate about all this Alien world like if it realy exist, discusing about their morphology, life cicles etc..At the end is just a guy wrting down his ideas, respecting (or not) the preestablished canon on the previous movies.
I think (and Hope) that Riddley didn't consider the AVP movies at all..
i always have a problem with this line about ridley deciding on avp canon because he is not george lucas, he doesn't own the rights to this movie franchise so that would be up to fox, ok he doesn't have to acknowledge them or link to them in any way shape or form but if fox say to him that avp is canon and he must not break it then there's nothing he can do about it. now its always possible that he may have negotiated to be able to do as he likes or demanded it as part of the agreement to him making the movie but ultimately its up to fox and they may want canon kept in case they decide to make more avps, predators or whatever.
thanks
rich
I don't think Ridley Scott would be involved in any movie now where he wasn't calling most of the shots. I'm pretty sure the only canon he'll be following (and rightly so) is the original
Alien. If the movie featured Ripley he'd obviously be more locked into the characters history/story, but as this features all new characters (we assume) and is set prior to
Alien, anything goes.
Quote from: Char on Dec 23, 2011, 09:04:14 AM
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Dec 23, 2011, 08:59:03 AM
I'm just saying, but could the man in the wheelchair be the tall man in the Space Jockey chair shot?
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It's him obviously. I don't know why people have to jump to conclusions so much. Do you think Scott would purposesly put the freaking Space Jockey reveal in a really early teaser trailer? There's a reason why there is a big bald guy going through a transformation in another shot in this trailer.
Seriously ? do all bald guys look the same for you ? jest compare the shape of the head man, ITS NOT THE GUY IN THE WHEELCHAIR. and second, the guy in the jockey chair shot is obviously 10ft or taller , just compare him to the another shot of the same room but when there is a blue hologram of planets, there a human standing in the middle, so you can se the scale of both human and bold guy in the same room.
If they Jockey in this flick is just going to be some tall hairless dude they might as well have some Predator running around stealing alien eggs.
And why do in movies when a huge object is falling over do people run away by taking the path the object looks like it's going to fall on to? How come no one turns away from the path of the falling object?
Quote from: DendaReloaded on Dec 23, 2011, 11:18:54 AM
Hi, i'm new here at AVPGalaxy
already posted in the new member thread so that i won't post shit about me here :D
I was following the Prometheus threads for some time and i would like to join the discussion (sorry for my english, i'm german)
Because i haven't seen the trailer in hd and the itunes sucks..at least mine.. i wanted to ask if the downloads on the first page are legal (worrying about copyright, have been caught once... ONCE)
thx in advance!
Was sollte daran verboten sein? Klar sind die legal, die selben Trailer gibt's auf der offiziellen Quicktime HP :laugh:
Translation for our english mates: It's all about Schnitzel.
I clearly see 3 visible chambers attached to the chair array (one is forced open). They are about the size of the chair.
For the sake of symmetry, let's just claim 4 chambers
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Okay. now look at this!
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It appears to be 4 pods on a stem. Kind of like a seed.
The ampule room appears to contain tons of these little ampules filled with proto liquid used to build different bio-mechanical creatures... maybe via implantation into these "breeding chambers".
This leads back to the SJ two ways.
One: The dead sj/suit that is found in the ampule room could have come out of that "broken" 3rd chamber.
two: What makes us so sure that the engineers don't implant themselves into a suit at will as a form of reincarnation system with these pods at the center... and that this ship is kind of like a colonizing ship where they terraform the planet, pop these amplues and.. VIOLLA, instant SJ colony that directly mimics their homeworld.
The 3rd chamber looks forced open, as if the engineer/creature inside it woke up angry and broke out violently.
Last picture: 2 parter
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ONE: The human is making the map move! He/She is looking for home as he/she could be the last survivor and if you look close enough, I BET YOU that's our solar system at the very tiny center, with star maps being geometrically measured so as to hone the exact location. OR He/She may be talking to one of the engineers in order to establish an official connection between the two species, and how we found them.
TWO: One of the engineers is at the command console. It would be the only one who knew how to pilot the craft and use it's technology. It may or may not still be within that stasis pod. It may be that the SJ suits are just remotely controlled by the jockey's who sleep in these tubes, all the while maintaining control of the ship subconsciously.
One question I keep posing to myself: What if there engineers arent the space jockey.. as in, there space jockey is the leader race who is big and takes control of the ship... and the "engineers" are...well.. engineers that keep the ship working and do whatever needs to be done around the place. Engineers may be little humanoids that are put into specialized suits that give them the TEMPORARY control of the ship and/or it's systems in order to maintain and repair the ship as the real SJ race sleeps.
What if the grey dude is the "engineer", but isn't the real space jockey sleeping just a foot next to him?
Last thing i noticed just now: When the cargo bay door opens, you see the SJ ship, but it like there is something else either behind it or inside the ring... it kinda looks like a dome.
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Could it be a separate SJ ship/temple?
That man the bed is David.....the build is just a bit too thin to be Logan.
By the way, I dont know If anybody posted that before, but I think that at minute 0:42, the guy with the burning face (I hope is burned and not mutated) is Holloway. His name on the forehead ends with something similar to ...WAY.
What u guys think?
I guess it is him, would match with the melted helmet we saw before.
IF the guy in the bed is David...this would be fuel for another theorie 'bout this movie.
BUT i still think it's not him - he's got more hair, but the image is quite dark and the sequence is pretty short.
Anyway, regarding the overall feeling of the trailer, If have to say that at this point, my concerns about the tone, philmography and missuse of CGI are ZERO. And in a sci movie nowadays, that is a lot!
My only concerns now are about the plot itself. (and the music as well).
how long you people think we will have to wait for a 2 minute trailer?
February, most likely.
As I was looking at the "Engineer" I thought it was interesting how it's body, torso, legs all look alien but the hands and head look human. At first I thought he was just wearing a suit but if it was a suit, the suit would look as if it had definite ends. If you look close, it looks as if the "suit" slowly fades from the alien look to the human look on the arms and neck. Interesting.
Quote from: Prometheus on Dec 23, 2011, 08:38:47 AM
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 08:30:34 AM
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I get it
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definately seeing upside down Y's for pupils on his eyes/lenses.
Where have i seen that before????? i cant think dammit.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
I really like the look of this being. There is something wrong about him; he looks clinical minded and powerful. A physcopath, without remorse or delusions of morality. If he is the creator of the alien then I approve. A creepy f**ker right there.
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-Chris
I like it...really.
I don´t know if he is actually the SJ,very risky decision, but interesting.
Years ago,no one here,even in his wildest dreams,would ever imagine that SJ would have a human appearance.
Small note...maybe i´m crazy a lot,but the "S" from Prometheus stands exactly over the "creature"...
Quote from: Dirty Harry on Dec 23, 2011, 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
I really like the look of this being. There is something wrong about him; he looks clinical minded and powerful. A physcopath, without remorse or delusions of morality. If he is the creator of the alien then I approve. A creepy f**ker right there.
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/engineer.jpg
-Chris
I like it...really.
I don´t know if he is actually the SJ,very risky decision, but interesting.
Years ago,no one here,even in his wildest dreams,would ever imagine that SJ would have a human appearance.
And that's original and disturbing. people are feared from humanoids. I mean, look at the greys, they look very similar, 2 arms, 2 legs and so and so...but they look different. It's the same with jockey..He (if the bald man is realley a Jockey) is humanoid looking but very different at the same time. You know that he is not from our planet.
I'm thinking the team realise that the jockey ship is bad news and crash either the Prometheus or a smaller ship into it as it's taking off. There's a lot of human ship wreckage around the jockey ship too. Maybe to stop them getting to earth?
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 23, 2011, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Dirty Harry on Dec 23, 2011, 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
I really like the look of this being. There is something wrong about him; he looks clinical minded and powerful. A physcopath, without remorse or delusions of morality. If he is the creator of the alien then I approve. A creepy f**ker right there.
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/engineer.jpg
-Chris
I like it...really.
I don´t know if he is actually the SJ,very risky decision, but interesting.
Years ago,no one here,even in his wildest dreams,would ever imagine that SJ would have a human appearance.
And that's original and disturbing human. people are feared from humanoids. I mean, look at the greys, they look very similar, 2 arms, 2 legs and so and so...but they look different. It's the same with jockey..He (if the bald man is realley a Jockey) is humanoid looking but very different at the same time. You know that he is not from our planet.
Original = Never made before
Alien looking like Human = Déjà Vu
Déjà Vu =/= Original
Déjà vu, especially hairless with a white skin bald color.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 23, 2011, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 08:30:34 AM
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I dont thing that is a helmet....
Quote from: originaldrdoom on Dec 23, 2011, 03:45:34 AM
I am sure some have made the connection about the Prometheus SJ helm being examined and its size. And people noticed the SJ trophy from AvP:R was smaller than the one from ALIEN.
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Coincidence?
I think SJs can and do vary in size. Just like any other creature/species does.
SJ dont exist in reality....you know?
Ugh. Damned typo. I meant skull. Thinking one thing and typing another. It happens. :-[
Either way, there is a size discrepancy- despite SJs not existing in reality. ::)
Even the original A L I E N had nothing original.
The same old idea presented in a different way.
Some people forget the essence of the original...a glorified "B monster movie".
The idea of human aliens is not new for sure...but a human SJ no one could imagine.
What i like most in the Giger´s work is the mix MAN-machine...it fits perfectly in his world.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 23, 2011, 02:56:22 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 23, 2011, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Dirty Harry on Dec 23, 2011, 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
I really like the look of this being. There is something wrong about him; he looks clinical minded and powerful. A physcopath, without remorse or delusions of morality. If he is the creator of the alien then I approve. A creepy f**ker right there.
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/engineer.jpg
-Chris
I like it...really.
I don´t know if he is actually the SJ,very risky decision, but interesting.
Years ago,no one here,even in his wildest dreams,would ever imagine that SJ would have a human appearance.
And that's original and disturbing human. people are feared from humanoids. I mean, look at the greys, they look very similar, 2 arms, 2 legs and so and so...but they look different. It's the same with jockey..He (if the bald man is realley a Jockey) is humanoid looking but very different at the same time. You know that he is not from our planet.
Original = Never made before
Alien looking like Human = Déjà Vu
Déjà Vu =/= Original
Déjà vu, especially hairless with a white skin bald color.
OMG, you and your Deja Vu....
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 23, 2011, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 23, 2011, 02:56:22 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 23, 2011, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Dirty Harry on Dec 23, 2011, 02:48:30 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
I really like the look of this being. There is something wrong about him; he looks clinical minded and powerful. A physcopath, without remorse or delusions of morality. If he is the creator of the alien then I approve. A creepy f**ker right there.
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/engineer.jpg
-Chris
I like it...really.
I don´t know if he is actually the SJ,very risky decision, but interesting.
Years ago,no one here,even in his wildest dreams,would ever imagine that SJ would have a human appearance.
And that's original and disturbing human. people are feared from humanoids. I mean, look at the greys, they look very similar, 2 arms, 2 legs and so and so...but they look different. It's the same with jockey..He (if the bald man is realley a Jockey) is humanoid looking but very different at the same time. You know that he is not from our planet.
Original = Never made before
Alien looking like Human = Déjà Vu
Déjà Vu =/= Original
Déjà vu, especially hairless with a white skin bald color.
OMG, you and your Deja Vu....
Yes, Me me me and me and again me me me but not you!
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"Not original" if you prefer.
Whats goin on with this weird units on the platform ?
In the production shots we got 4 units, yet in Pilot chair shot we se only 2 ( maybe another one is behind the chair ) , so it gives us 3 , hence one is missing (question mark on the pic) , not sure but looks like its cryotube for jockey or somethin.
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Wah i can't see it any more...same topic again and again and again. We already had those "chambers".
Once again it is time that someone posts the SJ helmet/head or the bald guy.
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I don't like the poor made alpha mask of the P R O M E T H E U S title... very bad quality for a $100 million production.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 04:28:16 PM
Wah i can't see it any more...same topic again and again and again. We already had those "chambers".
Once again it is time that someone posts the SJ helmet/head or the bald guy.
there he is:
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;D
anyway: the nephilim theory seems like the real deal!
but even if this bald guy IS the space jockey, i don't care anymore.
this questioning of each frame of the trailer won't reveal the truth. it's almost f**ked up like the "metal gear solid 2"-trailer. nobody was right.
That bald f**king Blue Man Group reject looks like f**king shit.
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So this here is the space jockies head.
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So this here is the space jockies head.
Looks liek pengiun to me...well..a little bit
Quote from: pretrixalated on Dec 23, 2011, 03:59:31 AM
seriously anyone who rips on this trailer is clearly has no idea what they are saying this movie is clearly made in the old school way of filmaking and alot of love and care has been braught to this movie (from what i can see) and this is the freshest way of bringing any kind of life into the alien sega after what AVP and AVPR has done to the xenomorph mythologie. anyone who can nitpick this is extremely cinical or has just been spoiled by the establishement so much that he does not recognise a good movie when he sees one !!! ridley scott is back and James Cameron can eat his hearth out because this is the comeback he wished he had done !!!
here here I totally agree, some people need to relax and have a little faith after all Ridders is back baby!
Unlucky Cameron!
"Prometheus" will be "all about everything. I come from the All About Everything School."
"I come from the All About Everything School."
This line could be from the Charlie Sheen Interview...I've got tigerblood :laugh:
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 05:50:46 PM
"I come from the All About Everything School."
This line could be from the Charlie Sheen Interview...I've got tigerblood :laugh:
and hes bi-winning!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg#ws)
lets hope prometheus does even half the winning of charlie!.
thanks
rich
Quote from: OESTEY on Dec 23, 2011, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: pretrixalated on Dec 23, 2011, 03:59:31 AM
seriously anyone who rips on this trailer is clearly has no idea what they are saying this movie is clearly made in the old school way of filmaking and alot of love and care has been braught to this movie (from what i can see) and this is the freshest way of bringing any kind of life into the alien sega after what AVP and AVPR has done to the xenomorph mythologie. anyone who can nitpick this is extremely cinical or has just been spoiled by the establishement so much that he does not recognise a good movie when he sees one !!! ridley scott is back and James Cameron can eat his hearth out because this is the comeback he wished he had done !!!
here here I totally agree, some people need to relax and have a little faith after all Ridders is back baby!
Unlucky Cameron!
"Prometheus" will be "all about everything. I come from the All About Everything School."
Camerons vision of jockeys
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What I want to know is, will there still be that really creepy landscape surrounding the crashed ship?
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In the trailer, it looks like it's crashed in some sort of valley...
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no, because as far as we know its a different jockey ship on a different planet.
thanks
rich
Quote from: Bigticket on Dec 23, 2011, 12:20:51 PM
Quote from: Char on Dec 23, 2011, 09:04:14 AM
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Dec 23, 2011, 08:59:03 AM
I'm just saying, but could the man in the wheelchair be the tall man in the Space Jockey chair shot?
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It's him obviously. I don't know why people have to jump to conclusions so much. Do you think Scott would purposesly put the freaking Space Jockey reveal in a really early teaser trailer? There's a reason why there is a big bald guy going through a transformation in another shot in this trailer.
Seriously ? do all bald guys look the same for you ? jest compare the shape of the head man, ITS NOT THE GUY IN THE WHEELCHAIR. and second, the guy in the jockey chair shot is obviously 10ft or taller , just compare him to the another shot of the same room but when there is a blue hologram of planets, there a human standing in the middle, so you can se the scale of both human and bold guy in the same room.
He's going through a body transformation. That's obvious that's what happens in this from the other jumping character.
Like I said, it's a red herring.
Hi, is there a 1080p .mp4 version of the trailer available for download? I'd like to transfer it to watch on my PS3/HDTV and .mov isn't compatible. I know there are ways to convert .mov to .mp4 but I always get a downgrade in quality when I attempt that. Thanks.
This film looks fantastic.
Here are my thoughts, after reading all of yours (probably not the last couple posts, this took a while to write at work). This is meant to be a stand alone movie... within the A(vP) universe, with high hopes for sequel. Think Episode IV being a good flick and it would be neat if he got to make more. My guess it ends leaving the audience guessing prequelage to Alien or guessing to sequel which will again hint at Alien. Sort of like a cliffhanger / head scratcher. And I think new movies can remake, remodel, reimage things that from earlier movies that are supposed to be later in the timeline.
I think it's also important to realize this is a trailer of scenes and not necessarily a narrative. The ship could crash in the beginning of the movie, the giant SJ seen could be a flashback, etc., etc.
That said, here's what I noticed:
- Prometheus is approaching a planet with circulating clouds or massive crater. I think I read it was being terraformed, but that low clouds imagery reminds me of terraforming. Maybe it's the alien atmosphere.
- Look like when the Weyland-Yutani Prometheus doors open, you can see the other ship - flat.
- Nearest guy is in different suit than Shaw, Holloway and David.
- EW photos also show Imora checking out an egg(?) with Shaw in Ampule Room. The both look blondish from the light.
- Two heavy trucks and two light all terrain go out...
- One heavy and two light all terrain come back.
- I think the guy jumping down is after they get back.
- If the SJ ship does take off, get hit by Prometheus, then crash back down I could see all those ampules breaking open and "seeding" that room with eggs. It's just a thought, but I don't recall a giant head in the egg scene of Alien and I am not flaming any LV-426 fires.
- Looks like David approaching ampule, helmetless.
- I think the cut scene to somone grabbin their face and screaming is meant to look familiar and not what happens in that scene. No facehuggers, right?
- Slowed down HD version (thank you, thank you, thank you for posting that - but it's slow, lol) he/she clearly has helmet on, with no W-Y padded helmet, you can sort of see their receding hairline.
- Helmet is definately smoking and it looks like the helmet is melting, there something transparent on/in the helmet, or I don't know what.
- To me, from the Slowed down clip, it looks like his head melting from the mouth back. I don't think this guy survives this scene, mutated or otherwise. (After watching it again, this guy's face def burns away in smoke in a few frames! But I thought facehuggers initially, well trailored!)
- They show more flying around, but again I don't think this is a narrative of the movie or any act of the movie.
- Then they show the SJ head on the table! I think that's Shaw in the scrubs, not sure who other scrubs is but I am gonna guss Imora, android David sitting with a stick up his ass - those are the worst future shoes ever - and if I remember correctly from an interview where she said she stands in the back a lot that's Meredith Vickers (Theron).
- Bet Vickers (Theron) is also an android, just sayin...
- Here's something that I am stuck on, I don't think they put the SJ head back on his body for Alien. So what does that mean?
- I guess the SJ head could be a helmet we're looking at. Eyes are hollow like a skull or maybe some skull helmet thingy.
I have always loved the Alien idea, it seemed for lack of better word, alien to me. Predators are scary, but a little dental reconstructive surgery and they could pass for freaky looking people. The idea of an elephant trunked SJ always seemed lame to me, sorry that's just my opinion. But that Scott is saying SJ is a big dude... I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but if Prometheus is about the SJ, I really hope it's cool.
- Scene with four padded helmet looking types looking around, oooh red lasers!
- Bedroom scene. I am gonna guess Holloway and Shaw, I think EW said they are an item.
- Who brought up rape scene? So she's banged up, she's kicking ass!
- David playing with an ampule (?). Looks like a four pack. Can't trust androids when it comes to alien life forms - that should be the Fourth Law.
- This cast is amazing, btw.
- Vickers running while taking off her clothes... so many jokes to choose from, can't pick just one.
- Shaw throwing it in reverse, I think from the trailer she is the lead in this movie.
- Three trucks coming back- and that does look like a road.
- Disc over Niagara Falls does not look like SJ shiip. I am still thinking terraforming. Who mentioned a temple?
- Does anybody know if Scott acknowledges the Preds in Alien univers, or if he even gives a rat's arse? I am guessing the latter.
- Two dudes with guns. Are those high and tight cuts are are they wearing darker hoodies? I am guessin the guy on the left is the one who gets his face melted as mentioned above.
- Sick bald guy being helped by Shaw? Imora? Looks like he has leg braces. They are all in blue suits.
- Question is who are the two dudes shooting at? SJ, not likely. Some bugger, probably. Another crewmember gone loco, my guess.
- Next scene... Wow!
- Looks like Holloway's face is doing something. Looks like he is being held, my guess by Shaw.
- Map room, I agree with everyone saying that's a human sized figure in there.
- High res zoom, anyone? Looks blonde, so I would venture Vickers. Just a guess.
- Scene where Shaw (though it could be Imora coming in and dying) in future undies. Big fan of Shaw and Vickers future undies, big fan.
- In the "lab" I think form right to left you have android David, somebody, and Bald guy.
- On IMDB, Patrick Wilson is listed as Cocooned Man. I think this might be the old/sick Bald guy.
- Or... Cocooned Man could mean the dude they got out of the SJ seat? I just thought of that!
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/fullcredits#cast)
- Hard to tell if they are listed by fame or importance to the film, my guess would be a mix of the two.
- Guy Pearce?
- Stanison or Milburn will be corporate. Remember Scott wants to make another movie, so I could see Pearce surviving back home on earth.
- I am thinking anyone below Guy gets torn up pretty early in this movie.
- There's the ship blowing up in the air!
- Now freakshow jumping down on a helmeted character. Freakshow has no helmet. There also appears to be a fire in the Prometheus. And I see both heavy trucks, __AT02 on it.
- I think freakshow is wearing the suit, sans helmet, of the flamethrower guy from earlier in trailor.
- Awesome shot of pilot's chair rising. Giant blue guy on side. At least three stasis chambers, one of which is opened. Where did you guys get "pried" open? You would think whoever was in the Map Room would have seen the stasis chambers. But my gut still tells me this might be a flashback, like how it got there before them kind of thing.
- It's probably just me, but SJ always appeared to be seated in a gun. Perhaps a huge phalic symbol is just a cigar, but it reminded me of the Death Star toy from back in the day, with the gun on the top floor. It looks like artillery to me, which is sort of phalic I guess. When I saw the Ampules and SJ seat, I thought maybe he fires those things out at worlds or something. It's probably just me.
- Vickers doing push ups in her future undies? That's the cold dead stare of an android, baby. (But I have zero evidence to back that statement up, ftr).
- Captain Stringer Bell with fire in his eyes.
- Sandstorm coming... wait a minute, did that sandstorm suck Shaw up? Is that two different sand storm scenes?
- Upside down scene, I dunno.
- Then in the HD Slowed version you can def see it's Vickers and Shaw trying to outurn the toppling SJ vessel.
So it seems they find the SJ ship laying flat, stuff happens, it takes off and Captain Janek crashes the Promethius into it which gives the awesome (not yet another gasoline explosiion) explosiong and the SJ ship crashes down landing upright, pan over the top, and then it starts to roll / fall where Shaw and Vickers have to run away - which leads me to think they were on the ground when Capt Janek kamikazed it.
Shaw's the lead, Holloway's her boyfriend and he gets messed up. Vickers is the boss lady, and my guess an android along with David. There's Shaw flashback scenes, guessing by IMDBs Young Elizabeth Shaw, which include Stannison and or Milburn which I am also guessing the other or both or W-Y corportate stoogage. Cocooned Man might be old/sick bald guy, he's in a lot of scenes and Patrick Wilson is a higher end actor.
SJ being a blue giant... here's my out there thought. This is one Engineer and Alien has another Engineer. Same type of ship (more or less), different pilot, different cargo! Ultimately, the storyline is about aliens creating humans or some such.
Visually, looks amazing!
I cut the trailer to pieces :)
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Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 23, 2011, 06:30:19 PM
What I want to know is, will there still be that really creepy landscape surrounding the crashed ship?
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In the trailer, it looks like it's crashed in some sort of valley...
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The second derelict looks different and is missing that huge part on the other arm. It can't be the same ship from Alien since it's in the prequel. The surrounding area looks different too.
Quote from: 180924609 on Dec 23, 2011, 02:27:32 AM
I agree that the new Jockey ship is definitely different in design to the '79 derelict - but the differences are very subtle. The protusions at the end of the 'arms' are slightly different (and smaller) and the overall bio-mech look is slightly more...mechanical. And that now bothers me because everything relating to the Jockey tech in Prometheus is steered towards a more mechanical look and feel.
I also originally voiced my opinion that the planet was not LV426 because the environment was more hospitable and didnt really look anything like the Alien '79 planetoid. But I have since noticed that many of the rock formations have that familiar 'sloped' look about them, like on LV426.
So heres a new wacky theory...
What if the Jockey Ship crash causes something incredibly acrid and potent to be re0leased into the atmosphere in vast quantities such that the ship and the entire planet undergoes a metamorphosis. Almost like it had been melted with acid! Maybe the Jockey ship would then bow slightly, and become stripped of an outer layer exposing a more bone-like structure, like the original derelict. The planet would also undergo a 'melted' appearance too, and end up becoming a wind swept, barren, melted landscape, like LV426!
The Jockey chamber and the 'pilot' sitting in the chair with his suit on would become more bone like and look melted to the chair!
And the ampule cannisters - would be morphed into hideous egg-like containers of a new alien life form...
Just a thought. :P
You got it spot on there!
Also the planets enviroment changes as the gails blowing in ALIEN show particals blowing like a sand storm wand the wind erosion would led to altering aof the Ships form(making it rounder and at the same more skeletal)
Its the same ship and planet without a doubt.
Another point is that I reckon there is a lot of Pinocchio in the story with the Fasbender charaters desire to be come a real human - and the contents of the urns gives him that gift (backed up by the shot where we see him with a drop of red blood on his finger (not the milky fluid seen in other androids of the same universe)
So as in pinocchio he does something very wrong and has to go some way to make things right again.
Trailer without the Apple logo: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T7X6IE1A (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T7X6IE1A)
Quote from: ikarop on Dec 23, 2011, 10:10:33 PM
Trailer without the Apple logo: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T7X6IE1A (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T7X6IE1A)
In .mp4! Nice one. :)
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Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 23, 2011, 06:30:19 PM
What I want to know is, will there still be that really creepy landscape surrounding the crashed ship?
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In the trailer, it looks like it's crashed in some sort of valley...
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The second derelict looks different and is missing that huge part on the other arm. It can't be the same ship from Alien since it's in the prequel. The surrounding area looks different too.
It really doesnt matter if the ships are different or not, could be just a redesign to fit the movie style. After all, the xenomorph's designs are always changing from movie to movie. :P
@hollypops_
This is definitelly not theame ship. Look at the surrounding, place can`t change like that in thirty years.
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 11:17:08 PM
@hollypops_
Look at the surrounding, place can`t change like that in thirty years.
Terraforming malfunction, my friend.
Takes only a few minutes to change a beautiful surrounding like this, with waterfalls and all to the mess we saw in the original movie 8)
Teraforming? Don`t think so. Different planet friend.
Quote from: Tribal on Dec 23, 2011, 11:22:17 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 11:17:08 PM
@hollypops_
Look at the surrounding, place can`t change like that in thirty years.
Terraforming malfunction, my friend.
Takes only a few minutes to change a beautiful surrounding like this, with waterfalls and all to the mess we saw in the original movie 8)
And what are the jockeys pros at doing..............
TERRAFORMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its a no brainer!
The original idea was to have this as 2 movie prequal - i assume the first one ending when he jockey takes them to the second planet,thus having the second movie much darker as it all kicksoff when they get there.
But they decided to consolodate the buget and go for a single movie therfore leading into Alien - when you put this together with the other evidence of the derilect ship shown - it can only be lv-426
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 23, 2011, 11:30:38 PM
Quote from: Tribal on Dec 23, 2011, 11:22:17 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 11:17:08 PM
@hollypops_
Look at the surrounding, place can`t change like that in thirty years.
Terraforming malfunction, my friend.
Takes only a few minutes to change a beautiful surrounding like this, with waterfalls and all to the mess we saw in the original movie 8)
And what are the jockeys pros at doing..............
TERRAFORMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its a no brainer!
The original idea was to have this as 2 movie prequal - i assume the first one ending when he jockey takes them to the second planet,thus having the second movie much darker as it all kicksoff when they get there.
But they decided to consolodate the buget and go for a single movie therfore leading into Alien - when you put this together with the other evidence of the derilect ship shown - it can only be lv-426
And where it was stated Jockey can teraform?
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Takes only a few minutes to change a beautiful surrounding like this, with waterfalls and all to the mess we saw in the original movie 8)
Oh yes, in such things we humans are very precise :)
@Master
Common dude lets not play dumb
its been stated in many novels and comics and even been suggested in the past by Ridley himself("engineers of space") that this was there game
i guess damon lindelof and ridley need to do another interview and repeat what they already said that the action doesn't take place on lv-426 and the ending of the movie won't be the derelict crashing on lv426 with eggs inside.maybe then this whole ,,it's the same ship discussion will stop.
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Sure it does'nt - just like he said its not an Alien prequal
Of course it does'nt take place on lv 425 .....not the first half of the movie anyway , but the last half does for sure!
Ridley isnt tellin any lies just being ecomonical with the truth
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 23, 2011, 11:49:41 PM
@Master
Common dude lets not play dumb
its been stated in many novels and comics and even been suggested in the past by Ridley himself("engineers of space") that this was there game
As far as I`m concerned it was sugested by Ridley that they created life on earth. Nothing more nothing les then that. All other is EU (non canon bullshit) that can be dissed any time.
Quote from: Bayo on Dec 24, 2011, 12:38:42 AM
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other than the texture they are pretty much the same ship. IF the ship IS really, as theorized, a living being/biomechanical. then it would be easy to suffice that the texture from the ship in ALIEN would be the internal workings and this new texture to be some sort of "skin" that would eventually rot/fall off.
Condidering that the following was stated by Ridley himself about the movie - we can assume it plays a large part -
The film] is about the discussion of terraforming — taking planets and planetoids and balls of earth and trying to terraform, seed them with the possibilities of future life."
So isn't it kind of clear now that this movie has quite a bit to do with Alien? It has the Weyland Yutani logo, it has the same (style) Space Jockey ship found in Alien, it revolves around the Space Jockey, it has the same style music for that trailer (apart from the Inception like Foghorn, I'm refering to the strings) as the opening of Alien.. And it has the same method of displaying the title by slowly creating the lines of the name.
It's already confirmed that it takes place in the same universe, that much cannot be denied..
I have so many questions.
Will this movie still be in two parts? Or is it just one movie now?
Is this the same ship from Alien? Crashed on LV-426?
What will the 'bad monsters' be? Hopefully not these deranged crazy mutant things running about..
Will the Space Jockey really be that humanoid figure depicted in the trailer? Hicks has mentioned through his source that the giant head is a representation of the 'engineer' and it does look similar to that large humanoid in the Space Jockey chamber. Presumably Space Jockey = Engineer, as I've heard them referred to as both over the years. To me, this will be the largest let down of the movie. If he's just a really big human with biomechanical stuff plastered all over him.
I would kill for some more concrete information on this.
Someone is looking up from the crash. Why? Obviously it is one of the two survivors, but what is the camera panning too?
Quote from: eyeballkid on Dec 24, 2011, 02:15:32 AM
Someone is looking up from the crash. Why? Obviously it is one of the two survivors, but what is the camera panning too?
Topics merged. Trailer talk here.
Derelict in "Prometheus" looks Crisp..cause its new... Derelict in Alien ( 1979) looks different..cause it's on that moon for a zillion of years...Vulcanic activity ( reason why it's laying flat ) storms ( Reason it looks smooth )
Quote from: Jim131 on Dec 23, 2011, 08:21:52 PM
- Vickers doing push ups in her future undies? That's the cold dead stare of an android, baby. (But I have zero evidence to back that statement up, ftr).
I've been inclined to suspect not only is Vickers an android, but everyone in upper management at Weyland. Vickers certainly matches the look of David. However, why would an android need to do pushups? To conceal their nature from the human crew? It's certainly made apparent that she appears to be breaking a sweat.
In any case Ridley said at Comicon:
"there may be two robots in Prometheus...I think robots and androids and Replicants have become so much part of the actual science fiction scenario and landscape, that they're no longer unique. [So] you've got to come up with those unique notions that make something fresh."
I don't know if that means he is equating robots and androids as the same thing. Or by "two robots", knowing one is David, might the other be counting the apparently biomechanical Jockey?
I thought that scene with Vickers is showing her like there is something inside her. A beast within. She has that look in her eye anyway.
+ Ash did his little running on the spot thing also in ALIEN so if it is her doing push ups it isn't out of the norm.
I like the idea that whatever/whoever they find, have their own helpers with them.
I mean, you are an advanced race, surely you would have a few plebs doing the shit kicking right? Just the way the universe works :-P
I also reckon what we have seen also happens quite early on in the movie. Shown the main action from the first act mostly IMO and a little from later on in the movie.
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Wait: which end is the front of the ship? I'm pretty sure i've spent my entire life thinking the "legs" were the rear of the ship and it would be traveling in the opposite direction. Don't tell me i've had this wrong all these years. I mean i guess we've never actually seen one in flight until now...
Also, that poll needs to be updated to include a 50+ option :laugh:
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Wait: which end is the front of the ship? I'm pretty sure i've spent my entire life thinking the "legs" were the rear of the ship and it would be traveling in the opposite direction. Don't tell me i've had this wrong all these years. I mean i guess we've never actually seen one in flight until now...
I dont think the "legs" are the front or the back of it. I think the ships fly with the "legs" up ;)
As I read over the internet fandom reaction to the Prometheus trailer, all the conjecture and speculation, what I realize is that even now, in this fetal stage, it's turned the science fiction genre on its head. Prometheus looks nothing like any sci-fi offerings in recent memory...there's a sense of realism already present that I do not see in the likes of Pandorum, or any film I can think of, even the fantastic Sunshine......Prometheus stands apart from them all. Already we have archetypal imagery that's been burned in our heads, images that we can't stop thinking about and brings us back to discuss over and over.
I'm hoping for the best, but already, we're miles ahead of the game.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 24, 2011, 06:46:30 AM
As I read over the internet fandom reaction to the Prometheus trailer, all the conjecture and speculation, what I realize is that even now, in this fetal stage, it's turned the science fiction genre on its head. Prometheus looks nothing like any sci-fi offerings in recent memory...there's a sense of realism already present that I do not see in the likes of Pandorum, or any film I can think of, even the fantastic Sunshine......Prometheus stands apart from them all. Already we have archetypal imagery that's been burned in our heads, images that we can't stop thinking about and brings us back to discuss over and over.
I'm hoping for the best, but already, we're miles ahead of the game.
As much as I loved the first 3/4 of "Sunshine", the last 1/4 dropped the ball...BIG TIME. I would submit that the most recent, intelligent Scf-Fi film would be (without hesitation), "Moon"...with an Oscar worthy performance by Mr. Sam Rockwell.
f**kING AWESOME
:o :o :o :o :o
I don't want to see humans
I WANT TO SEE MORE OF SPACE f**kING JOCKEY
Please I want to see this guy not humans
THIS GUY
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Quote from: Spidey3121 on Dec 24, 2011, 03:31:04 AM
Wait: which end is the front of the ship? I'm pretty sure i've spent my entire life thinking the "legs" were the rear of the ship and it would be traveling in the opposite direction. Don't tell me i've had this wrong all these years. I mean i guess we've never actually seen one in flight until now...
I've always thought that as well, also because such a shape would dictate that... making the 'protrusions', or legs as you say, the front of the ship makes very little sense from a design standpoint if you ask me. f**k aerodinamics and all, uh? We'll see.
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 24, 2011, 06:59:23 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 24, 2011, 06:46:30 AM
As I read over the internet fandom reaction to the Prometheus trailer, all the conjecture and speculation, what I realize is that even now, in this fetal stage, it's turned the science fiction genre on its head. Prometheus looks nothing like any sci-fi offerings in recent memory...there's a sense of realism already present that I do not see in the likes of Pandorum, or any film I can think of, even the fantastic Sunshine......Prometheus stands apart from them all. Already we have archetypal imagery that's been burned in our heads, images that we can't stop thinking about and brings us back to discuss over and over.
I'm hoping for the best, but already, we're miles ahead of the game.
As much as I loved the first 3/4 of "Sunshine", the last 1/4 dropped the ball...BIG TIME. I would submit that the most recent, intelligent Scf-Fi film would be (without hesitation), "Moon"...with an Oscar worthy performance by Mr. Sam Rockwell.
im with you on that, moon is excellent.
thanks
rich
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 23, 2011, 11:30:38 PM
Quote from: Tribal on Dec 23, 2011, 11:22:17 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 11:17:08 PM
@hollypops_
Look at the surrounding, place can`t change like that in thirty years.
Terraforming malfunction, my friend.
Takes only a few minutes to change a beautiful surrounding like this, with waterfalls and all to the mess we saw in the original movie 8)
And what are the jockeys pros at doing..............
TERRAFORMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its a no brainer!
The original idea was to have this as 2 movie prequal - i assume the first one ending when he jockey takes them to the second planet,thus having the second movie much darker as it all kicksoff when they get there.
But they decided to consolodate the buget and go for a single movie therfore leading into Alien - when you put this together with the other evidence of the derilect ship shown - it can only be lv-426
Could the shot of the crew member being caught in the sandstorm be the beginning of the terraforming meltdown and the transition to lv 426 as we know it in ALIEN?
In the trailer did anyone else see that bald dude moving a lever in the jockey room, as if the lever may be what makes the chair come up out of the floor? ???
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 11:02:18 AM
Could the shot of the crew member being caught in the sandstorm be the beginning of the terraforming meltdown and the transition to lv 426 as we know it in ALIEN?
It's not LV-426.
Why do people still come up with "has anyone seen the bald guy...?". 2nd day now after release of the trailer, it is HD quality...don't you think anyone checked each single frame? Just a few thousand people...this guy is an obvious thing, not a small detail.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 24, 2011, 11:55:38 AM
Why do people still come up with "has anyone seen the bald guy...?". 2nd day now after release of the trailer, it is HD quality...don't you think anyone checked each single frame? Just a few thousand people...this guy is an obvious thing, not a small detail.
there's a bald guy in it? really?. damn i gotta see this! 8) ;D ;D ;D
thanks
rich
Dude, this is such a new detail that he posted it in a second thread as well...Sir, you are blind!
Has anyone seen the spaceship in the trailer or those letters that formed the title "PROMETHEUS"?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 24, 2011, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 11:02:18 AM
Could the shot of the crew member being caught in the sandstorm be the beginning of the terraforming meltdown and the transition to lv 426 as we know it in ALIEN?
It's not LV-426.
Its not lv-426- because thats what the makers told you?so of course its gospal...
Just like they told you it wasn't a prequel - wake up guys!
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 12:11:58 PM
Its not lv-426- because thats what the makers told you?so of course its gospal...
Just like they told you it wasn't a prequel - wake up guys!
It isn't a prequel in the sense that you will NOT see the xenomorph in the film. It is not LV-426 because the planet looks nothing like LV-426.
We've been told my numerous people involved with the production that this film will have DNA, hints of Alien, bits of visual markers from the Alien film, and it would share the same universe, but it will NOT be directly linked. The writer has said: Not the same ship. Not the same planet. This is something different.
The whole point here is to leap-frog off of the mystery of the derelict into new territory.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 24, 2011, 12:20:13 PM
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 12:11:58 PM
Its not lv-426- because thats what the makers told you?so of course its gospal...
Just like they told you it wasn't a prequel - wake up guys!
It isn't a prequel in the sense that you will NOT see the xenomorph in the film. It is not LV-426 because the planet looks nothing like LV-426.
We've been told my numerous people involved with the production that this film will have DNA, hints of Alien, bits of visual markers from the Alien film, and it would share the same universe, but it will NOT be directly linked. The writer has said: Not the same ship. Not the same planet. This is something different.
Sorry but im jut not buying it - however if that should be the case its a bit lame to ask the audiance to to buy into there being a identical ship and crash site that sugguests that the jockeys allowed themselves to be duped by an other race twice - I some how cant see some one getting the upper and on a superior race and them not taking measure on the sameting happening - its THE ship and its THE planet (futher reasons given in previous posts all evidence is there)
The whole point here is to leap-frog off of the mystery of the derelict into new territory.
the only way it is there to leap frog is to as ridley said is to "go back "and vist the planieoids previously created by the jockeys - thus taking the franchise in a other direction but only after he ties up the loose ends of ALIEN
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 24, 2011, 12:20:13 PM
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 12:11:58 PM
Its not lv-426- because thats what the makers told you?so of course its gospal...
Just like they told you it wasn't a prequel - wake up guys!
It isn't a prequel in the sense that you will NOT see the xenomorph in the film. It is not LV-426 because the planet looks nothing like LV-426.
We've been told my numerous people involved with the production that this film will have DNA, hints of Alien, bits of visual markers from the Alien film, and it would share the same universe, but it will NOT be directly linked. The writer has said: Not the same ship. Not the same planet. This is something different.
The whole point here is to leap-frog off of the mystery of the derelict into new territory.
Sorry but im jut not buying it - however if that should be the case its a bit lame to ask the audiance to to buy into there being a identical ship and crash site that sugguests that the jockeys allowed themselves to be duped by an other race twice - I some how cant see some one getting the upper and on a superior race and them not taking measure on the sameting happening - its THE ship and its THE planet (futher reasons given in previous posts all evidence is there)
This is not the derelict, that is not the SJ from Alien. What will it take to make people understand what this film isn't? I've read so so so so so so many post here regarding people seeing what they want to see rather than what it actually is.
Its getting to the point where I think I must be watching or reading about a different film or trailer. Come'on folks get over it its a film with a SJ in it and they have the same type of ship as the one i Alien, why is that so hard to believe.
Do you have a car? Does anyone else you know have a car..........
Well other races have similar vehicles too and thats just a fact in the context of this movie. Please please please anyone who cant except this is not the same jockey and derelict from Alien, can you try your hardest to see past it and try and enjoy the film thats coming. If you are so intent on seeing what you want it to be or think it should your going to be so so so let down and that would be a shame from a point of this being what could be one of the best Alien universe films we've seen since, well, Alien!
what youre saying defies logic. plenty of countries have lost identical ships, helicopters and planes against countries with a far inferior technological and military capability. a species losing two identical ships (from a fleet which could be of thousands of identical ships) to two different species over what could be a span of millions of years depending on what story we get is a big nothing and is very plausible.
thanks
rich
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 12:36:28 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 24, 2011, 12:20:13 PM
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 12:11:58 PM
Its not lv-426- because thats what the makers told you?so of course its gospal...
Just like they told you it wasn't a prequel - wake up guys!
It isn't a prequel in the sense that you will NOT see the xenomorph in the film. It is not LV-426 because the planet looks nothing like LV-426.
We've been told my numerous people involved with the production that this film will have DNA, hints of Alien, bits of visual markers from the Alien film, and it would share the same universe, but it will NOT be directly linked. The writer has said: Not the same ship. Not the same planet. This is something different.
Sorry but im jut not buying it - however if that should be the case its a bit lame to ask the audiance to to buy into there being a identical ship and crash site that sugguests that the jockeys allowed themselves to be duped by an other race twice - I some how cant see some one getting the upper and on a superior race and them not taking measure on the sameting happening - its THE ship and its THE planet (futher reasons given in previous posts all evidence is there)
The whole point here is to leap-frog off of the mystery of the derelict into new territory.
the only way it is there to leap frog is to as ridley said is to "go back "and vist the planieoids previously created by the jockeys - thus taking the franchise in a other direction but only after he ties up the loose ends of ALIEN
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 24, 2011, 12:20:13 PM
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 12:11:58 PM
Its not lv-426- because thats what the makers told you?so of course its gospal...
Just like they told you it wasn't a prequel - wake up guys!
It isn't a prequel in the sense that you will NOT see the xenomorph in the film. It is not LV-426 because the planet looks nothing like LV-426.
We've been told my numerous people involved with the production that this film will have DNA, hints of Alien, bits of visual markers from the Alien film, and it would share the same universe, but it will NOT be directly linked. The writer has said: Not the same ship. Not the same planet. This is something different.
The whole point here is to leap-frog off of the mystery of the derelict into new territory.
Sorry but im jut not buying it - however if that should be the case its a bit lame to ask the audiance to to buy into there being a identical ship and crash site that sugguests that the jockeys allowed themselves to be duped by an other race twice - I some how cant see some one getting the upper and on a superior race and them not taking measure on the sameting happening - its THE ship and its THE planet (futher reasons given in previous posts all evidence is there)
Do you realize that the derelict ship we see in Prometheus is in a different location, position and condition?
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 12:36:28 PM
Sorry but im jut not buying it - however if that should be the case its a bit lame to ask the audiance to to buy into there being a identical ship and crash site that sugguests that the jockeys allowed themselves to be duped by an other race twice - I some how cant see some one getting the upper and on a superior race and them not taking measure on the sameting happening - its THE ship and its THE planet (futher reasons given in previous posts all evidence is there)
- Minus the part where there hasn't been any evidence shown that indicates the planet is LV-426. (The only thing said about the planet was by the writer -- It's not the same planet. We've heard a rumor the planet is in the same system, but it's not the same rock.) Yes, it's unlikely for two crashes to happen like this, very unlikely. I'm more likely to believe its not even in the same system.
- One of the ships arms is not angled the same way as the derelict on LV-426. (Both of the arms end bits seem to be sideways, whereas the arms on the LV-426 craft ended one horizontally, one vertically. If it's not clear what i'm saying i'll try to demonstrate an example with images of the two craft side by side.)
-..Also, we've seen people breathing on this world, and in Alien they were not a mere 30 years later (According to what Scott has said about the story, this takes place 30 years or so before Alien).
- Assuming what some of the rumors state, The Jockey's, or engineers may not be in any position to do anything about what happens until things are already in motion. If we are to believe something to do with cryogenics and terraforming are involved, it's entirely possible the engineers are in stasis (which has been rumored) when our crew shows up. There's also talk of a cult that worships the creature that the giant head represents. (Perhaps the jockey's as we know them, hence the dead body, perhaps some kind of an experiment.). There's a lot going on, but I guarantee you it's not LV-426 and it's not the same ship.
Not to mention that the level of damage that is shown being done to the engineer ship in the trailer, and the way it seems to tumble to the side indicates it will not end up in the same position as the original at all.
On top of all this, though mere fan speculation, people have actually theorized the ship in Alien didn't crash at all. It landed, and either came upon the eggs, or suffered trouble, landed, and the crew simply died on the surface of Achereon without having crashed.
There's more too... But it's been stated by the writer this movie will not in any way directly try to answer the questions about the exact ship on LV426, but give us ideas as to what lead to the creation of the Alien, and what that society is like. A close scratch with the most horrifying
evil in the universe. :)
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 24, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 12:36:28 PM
Sorry but im jut not buying it - however if that should be the case its a bit lame to ask the audiance to to buy into there being a identical ship and crash site that sugguests that the jockeys allowed themselves to be duped by an other race twice - I some how cant see some one getting the upper and on a superior race and them not taking measure on the sameting happening - its THE ship and its THE planet (futher reasons given in previous posts all evidence is there)
- Minus the part where there hasn't been any evidence shown that indicates the planet is LV-426. (The only thing said about the planet was by the writer -- It's not the same planet. We've heard a rumor the planet is in the same system, but it's not the same rock.) Yes, it's unlikely for two crashes to happen like this, very unlikely. I'm more likely to believe its not even in the same system.
- One of the ships arms is not angled the same way as the derelict on LV-426. (Both of the arms end bits seem to be sideways, whereas the arms on the LV-426 craft ended one horizontally, one vertically. If it's not clear what i'm saying i'll try to demonstrate an example with images of the two craft side by side.)
-..Also, we've seen people breathing on this world, and in Alien they were not a mere 30 years later (According to what Scott has said about the story, this takes place 30 years or so before Alien).
- Assuming what some of the rumors state, The Jockey's, or engineers may not be in any position to do anything about what happens until things are already in motion. If we are to believe something to do with cryogenics and terraforming are involved, it's entirely possible the engineers are in stasis (which has been rumored) when our crew shows up. There's also talk of a cult that worships the creature that the giant head represents. (Perhaps the jockey's as we know them, hence the dead body, perhaps some kind of an experiment.). There's a lot going on, but I guarantee you it's not LV-426 and it's not the same ship.
Not to mention that the level of damage that is shown being done to the engineer ship in the trailer, and the way it seems to tumble to the side indicates it will not end up in the same position as the original at all.
On top of all this, though mere fan speculation, people have actually theorized the ship in Alien didn't crash at all. It landed, and either came upon the eggs, or suffered trouble, landed, and the crew simply died on the surface of Achereon without having crashed.
There's more too... But it's been stated by the writer this movie will not in any way directly try to answer the questions about the exact ship on LV426, but give us ideas as to what lead to the creation of the Alien, and what that society is like. A close scratch with the most horrifying evil in the universe. :)
................Na
Still not buying it - but thats what adding to the excitment ofthis whole thing none of us know for sure either way!
we need to get a poll going here to see who thinks it is or isnt the ship
Let's not forget that Prometheus will have sequel, so what we see here is just the tip of the iceberg. So making conclusions from a teaser of a first part of a 2 part movie is ...well....not so clever.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 24, 2011, 01:37:18 PM
Let's not forget that Prometheus will have sequel, so what we see here is just the tip of the iceberg. So making conclusions from a teaser of a first part of a 2 part movie is ...well....not so clever.
i doubt that it will have a sequel. is it even necessary to make a new franchise to every single movie? this movie will be more sophisticated than ANY of the alien movies. this movie contains as much pseudo-science as inception.
Quote from: Kol on Dec 24, 2011, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 24, 2011, 01:37:18 PM
Let's not forget that Prometheus will have sequel, so what we see here is just the tip of the iceberg. So making conclusions from a teaser of a first part of a 2 part movie is ...well....not so clever.
i doubt that it will have a sequel. is it even necessary to make a new franchise to every single movie? this movie will be more sophisticated than ANY of the alien movies. this movie contains as much pseudo-science as inception.
But, I'm turning crazy or what ? I thinks that somewhere was stated that Prometheus will have a sequel...
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 24, 2011, 01:45:53 PM
Quote from: Kol on Dec 24, 2011, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 24, 2011, 01:37:18 PM
Let's not forget that Prometheus will have sequel, so what we see here is just the tip of the iceberg. So making conclusions from a teaser of a first part of a 2 part movie is ...well....not so clever.
i doubt that it will have a sequel. is it even necessary to make a new franchise to every single movie? this movie will be more sophisticated than ANY of the alien movies. this movie contains as much pseudo-science as inception.
But, I'm turning crazy or what ? I thinks that somewhere was stated that Prometheus will have a sequel...
in the very beginning, when it was announced as an alien-prequel, they said it was mentioned as two parts.
but as the film turned out to be more standalone-movie, this "announcement" disappeared and was never mentioned again. except by the lovely noomi rapace, in an interview for sherlock holmes II, in which she was asked about the possibility prometheus would enter the door into a new franchise and she said yes, like all good & submissive actors would answer like this in an interview.
what else should she have say?
"the movie stinks and i'm the only good part in it" :D
in the SDCC interviews, scott said he was buttering lindelof up to write the next one...
so either he was jesting or there may still be plans for it to be a 2 part prequel depending how prometheus does at the box office, but prometheus has probably been made to also work as a stand alone in case it doesn't get another part.
again this is all speculation but if there is another part then maybe we will eventually get xenos and the derelict on lv426.
thanks
rich
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 24, 2011, 02:06:46 PM
in the SDCC interviews, scott said he was buttering lindelof up to write the next one...
so either he was jesting or there may still be plans for it to be a 2 part prequel depending how prometheus does at the box office, but prometheus has probably been made to also work as a stand alone in case it doesn't get another part.
again this is all speculation but if there is another part then maybe we will eventually get xenos and the derelict on lv426.
thanks
rich
I think that some questions will remain unanswered at the end of Prometheus. So sequel is possible.
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 24, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 12:36:28 PM
Sorry but im jut not buying it - however if that should be the case its a bit lame to ask the audiance to to buy into there being a identical ship and crash site that sugguests that the jockeys allowed themselves to be duped by an other race twice - I some how cant see some one getting the upper and on a superior race and them not taking measure on the sameting happening - its THE ship and its THE planet (futher reasons given in previous posts all evidence is there)
- Minus the part where there hasn't been any evidence shown that indicates the planet is LV-426. (The only thing said about the planet was by the writer -- It's not the same planet. We've heard a rumor the planet is in the same system, but it's not the same rock.) Yes, it's unlikely for two crashes to happen like this, very unlikely. I'm more likely to believe its not even in the same system.
- One of the ships arms is not angled the same way as the derelict on LV-426. (Both of the arms end bits seem to be sideways, whereas the arms on the LV-426 craft ended one horizontally, one vertically. If it's not clear what i'm saying i'll try to demonstrate an example with images of the two craft side by side.)
-..Also, we've seen people breathing on this world, and in Alien they were not a mere 30 years later (According to what Scott has said about the story, this takes place 30 years or so before Alien).
- Assuming what some of the rumors state, The Jockey's, or engineers may not be in any position to do anything about what happens until things are already in motion. If we are to believe something to do with cryogenics and terraforming are involved, it's entirely possible the engineers are in stasis (which has been rumored) when our crew shows up. There's also talk of a cult that worships the creature that the giant head represents. (Perhaps the jockey's as we know them, hence the dead body, perhaps some kind of an experiment.). There's a lot going on, but I guarantee you it's not LV-426 and it's not the same ship.
Not to mention that the level of damage that is shown being done to the engineer ship in the trailer, and the way it seems to tumble to the side indicates it will not end up in the same position as the original at all.
On top of all this, though mere fan speculation, people have actually theorized the ship in Alien didn't crash at all. It landed, and either came upon the eggs, or suffered trouble, landed, and the crew simply died on the surface of Achereon without having crashed.
There's more too... But it's been stated by the writer this movie will not in any way directly try to answer the questions about the exact ship on LV426, but give us ideas as to what lead to the creation of the Alien, and what that society is like. A close scratch with the most horrifying evil in the universe. :)
................Na
Still not buying it - but thats what adding to the excitment ofthis whole thing none of us know for sure either way!
we need to get a poll going here to see who thinks it is or isnt the ship
Despite all the logic, you're still not buying it....even though nothing supports your theory. Okay.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 24, 2011, 02:37:19 PM
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 24, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 12:36:28 PM
Sorry but im jut not buying it - however if that should be the case its a bit lame to ask the audiance to to buy into there being a identical ship and crash site that sugguests that the jockeys allowed themselves to be duped by an other race twice - I some how cant see some one getting the upper and on a superior race and them not taking measure on the sameting happening - its THE ship and its THE planet (futher reasons given in previous posts all evidence is there)
- Minus the part where there hasn't been any evidence shown that indicates the planet is LV-426. (The only thing said about the planet was by the writer -- It's not the same planet. We've heard a rumor the planet is in the same system, but it's not the same rock.) Yes, it's unlikely for two crashes to happen like this, very unlikely. I'm more likely to believe its not even in the same system.
- One of the ships arms is not angled the same way as the derelict on LV-426. (Both of the arms end bits seem to be sideways, whereas the arms on the LV-426 craft ended one horizontally, one vertically. If it's not clear what i'm saying i'll try to demonstrate an example with images of the two craft side by side.)
-..Also, we've seen people breathing on this world, and in Alien they were not a mere 30 years later (According to what Scott has said about the story, this takes place 30 years or so before Alien).
- Assuming what some of the rumors state, The Jockey's, or engineers may not be in any position to do anything about what happens until things are already in motion. If we are to believe something to do with cryogenics and terraforming are involved, it's entirely possible the engineers are in stasis (which has been rumored) when our crew shows up. There's also talk of a cult that worships the creature that the giant head represents. (Perhaps the jockey's as we know them, hence the dead body, perhaps some kind of an experiment.). There's a lot going on, but I guarantee you it's not LV-426 and it's not the same ship.
Not to mention that the level of damage that is shown being done to the engineer ship in the trailer, and the way it seems to tumble to the side indicates it will not end up in the same position as the original at all.
On top of all this, though mere fan speculation, people have actually theorized the ship in Alien didn't crash at all. It landed, and either came upon the eggs, or suffered trouble, landed, and the crew simply died on the surface of Achereon without having crashed.
There's more too... But it's been stated by the writer this movie will not in any way directly try to answer the questions about the exact ship on LV426, but give us ideas as to what lead to the creation of the Alien, and what that society is like. A close scratch with the most horrifying evil in the universe. :)
................Na
Still not buying it - but thats what adding to the excitment ofthis whole thing none of us know for sure either way!
we need to get a poll going here to see who thinks it is or isnt the ship
Despite all the logic, you're still not buying it....even though nothing supports your theory. Okay.
Not a chance im buyin it - Iv'e been throught it in pervious posts already and there's more than enough logic to support the same ship theory - I just reckoned that people would have seen and herd enough contradiction from the makers by now to make them realise to take nothing as read.
Ive opened a poll on a new thread to gauge opinion on this on.
Quote from: Kol on Dec 24, 2011, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 24, 2011, 01:37:18 PM
Let's not forget that Prometheus will have sequel, so what we see here is just the tip of the iceberg. So making conclusions from a teaser of a first part of a 2 part movie is ...well....not so clever.
i doubt that it will have a sequel. is it even necessary to make a new franchise to every single movie? this movie will be more sophisticated than ANY of the alien movies. this movie contains as much pseudo-science as inception.
IMO--If this movie makes even modest box office profit, there will be a sequel. This will be especially true if it gets any awards, critical acclaim, and the people involved are excited to do another movie. Hollywood jut can't help itself from going back to the well one more time.
I hope to god (the ones that we will find in the film) that there is NOT a sequel...
Sequels usually suck and it's all Hollywood is doing these days, which is why I'm so excited about this film (apart form being and Alien fan) but that its a one off original film!
Plus Ridley doesn't have a history doing sequels and I doubt he would let someone else do a sequel to this unless it was someone awesome (like Cameron...before he went Avatar)
ridley doesn't own the movie, fox does. therefore he has no say in the matter of a sequel or who directs it just like he didn't with alien...
thanks
rich
Quote from: Zenomorph on Dec 24, 2011, 05:03:37 PM
I hope to god (the ones that we will find in the film) that there is NOT a sequel...
Sequels usually suck and it's all Hollywood is doing these days, which is why I'm so excited about this film (apart form being and Alien fan) but that its a one off original film!
Plus Ridley doesn't have a history doing sequels and I doubt he would let someone else do a sequel to this unless it was someone awesome (like Cameron...before he went Avatar)
Technically Alien
is the sequel.
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 12:11:58 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 24, 2011, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 11:02:18 AM
Could the shot of the crew member being caught in the sandstorm be the beginning of the terraforming meltdown and the transition to lv 426 as we know it in ALIEN?
It's not LV-426.
Its not lv-426- because thats what the makers told you?so of course its gospal...
Just like they told you it wasn't a prequel - wake up guys!
And so, what's your proof that is LV-426? There is no way you got that from a trailer and you're just pulling it out of your ass. Sorry if I souunded mean.
Quote from: atlantis on Dec 24, 2011, 02:56:15 AM
Derelict in "Prometheus" looks Crisp..cause its new... Derelict in Alien ( 1979) looks different..cause it's on that moon for a zillion of years...Vulcanic activity ( reason why it's laying flat ) storms ( Reason it looks smooth )
agreed my brother agreed!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvgzFp.jpg&hash=eb6c0eecb56b64f96d6ae32d9bbdbac49dc0cd91)
Someone (http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/prometheus-trailer-breakdown/) over at imdb made a comparison between Kane from alien and the "engineer"
Quote from: Sgt. Apone on Dec 24, 2011, 05:49:49 PM
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 12:11:58 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 24, 2011, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: hollypops on Dec 24, 2011, 11:02:18 AM
Could the shot of the crew member being caught in the sandstorm be the beginning of the terraforming meltdown and the transition to lv 426 as we know it in ALIEN?
It's not LV-426.
Its not lv-426- because thats what the makers told you?so of course its gospal...
Just like they told you it wasn't a prequel - wake up guys!
And so, what's your proof that is LV-426? There is no way you got that from a trailer and you're just pulling it out of your ass. Sorry if I souunded mean.
Na not from my ass -from the same ass that everyone else with their eyes open are gettin it
perhaps you would see it too if you took your head outta yer ass .Sorry if that sounded mean ;D
hole lotta ass goin on there(excuse the pun)
Quote from: higherprimate on Dec 24, 2011, 06:03:08 PM
Quote from: atlantis on Dec 24, 2011, 02:56:15 AM
Derelict in "Prometheus" looks Crisp..cause its new... Derelict in Alien ( 1979) looks different..cause it's on that moon for a zillion of years...Vulcanic activity ( reason why it's laying flat ) storms ( Reason it looks smooth )
agreed my brother agreed!
Atlast others with a bit of vision!
merry Christmas people.
Anyone notice the WEYLAND CORP writing in this behind the scenes shot:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1101.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg425%2Fmrmagoo6%2F99641699.jpg&hash=bc990bb49cb2be95c626cf60c0545100d06ea77e)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lwodzcCb0k1qeksb7o1_500.png&hash=57a8b84b287eee828fd9ee2a574cbd533a7bd4ca)
nice cap!
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 24, 2011, 07:48:12 PM
Anyone notice the WEYLAND CORP writing in this behind the scenes shot:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1101.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg425%2Fmrmagoo6%2F99641699.jpg&hash=bc990bb49cb2be95c626cf60c0545100d06ea77e)
Is this implying that the Weylan(d)-Yutani merger did not happen yet?
I have to say the space jockey if it is what that bald person is, looks creepy. Especially with black eyes.
Lets hope it`s rummored third race, not space jockey nor human.
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 08:03:42 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 24, 2011, 07:48:12 PM
Anyone notice the WEYLAND CORP writing in this behind the scenes shot:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1101.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg425%2Fmrmagoo6%2F99641699.jpg&hash=bc990bb49cb2be95c626cf60c0545100d06ea77e)
Is this implying that the Weylan(d)-Yutani merger did not happen yet?
That's what Scott said back when it was still a full-blown Alien prequel.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 24, 2011, 08:46:48 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 08:03:42 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 24, 2011, 07:48:12 PM
Anyone notice the WEYLAND CORP writing in this behind the scenes shot:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1101.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg425%2Fmrmagoo6%2F99641699.jpg&hash=bc990bb49cb2be95c626cf60c0545100d06ea77e)
Is this implying that the Weylan(d)-Yutani merger did not happen yet?
That's what Scott said back when it was still a full-blown Alien prequel.
Whoa I didn't know, or I think I forgot. Thanks for that :o
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 08:48:05 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 24, 2011, 08:46:48 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 08:03:42 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 24, 2011, 07:48:12 PM
Anyone notice the WEYLAND CORP writing in this behind the scenes shot:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1101.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg425%2Fmrmagoo6%2F99641699.jpg&hash=bc990bb49cb2be95c626cf60c0545100d06ea77e)
Is this implying that the Weylan(d)-Yutani merger did not happen yet?
That's what Scott said back when it was still a full-blown Alien prequel.
Whoa I didn't know, or I think I forgot. Thanks for that :o
From an MTV interview:
Weyland hasn't joined Yutani yet, so they go and see Weyland. [The film] is about the discussion of terraforming - taking planets and planetoids and balls of earth and trying to terraform, seed them with the possibilities of future life.
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Anyone notice the WEYLAND CORP writing in this behind the scenes shot:
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Is this implying that the Weylan(d)-Yutani merger did not happen yet?
That's what Scott said back when it was still a full-blown Alien prequel.
Whoa I didn't know, or I think I forgot. Thanks for that :o
From an MTV interview: Weyland hasn't joined Yutani yet, so they go and see Weyland. [The film] is about the discussion of terraforming - taking planets and planetoids and balls of earth and trying to terraform, seed them with the possibilities of future life.
Oh well, there goes Predator: Concrete Jungle.
In the game, the merger happened around 2030.
Another collision with stupid AvP:R...there was Yutani allready involved with Yautja technology, so the merging with Weyland corp. was closer. Oh, how i hate that movie...
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 24, 2011, 09:38:30 PM
Another collision with stupid AvP:R...there was Yutani allready involved with Yautja technology, so the merging with Weyland corp. was closer. Oh, how i hate that movie...
Not really. Ms. Yutani would have used the PredTech to become a multi-billion-rich-thing corporation while Weyland Corp. was already one of the leading corporations.
The merger could have been possible anytime but not that early.
/ends discussion of AvP stuff.
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Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 24, 2011, 09:38:30 PM
Another collision with stupid AvP:R...there was Yutani allready involved with Yautja technology, so the merging with Weyland corp. was closer. Oh, how i hate that movie...
Not really. Ms. Yutani would have used the PredTech to become a multi-billion-rich-thing corporation while Weyland Corp. was already one of the leading corporations.
The merger could have been possible anytime but not that early.
/ends discussion of AvP stuff.
then i want to see some of the stolen Yautja technology in Prometheus, as a product of merging with Weyland corp
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then i want to see some of the stolen Yautja technology in Prometheus, as a product of merging with Weyland corp
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Quote from: r888 on Dec 24, 2011, 07:04:04 AM
f**kING AWESOME
:o :o :o :o :o
I don't want to see humans
I WANT TO SEE MORE OF SPACE f**kING JOCKEY
Please I want to see this guy not humans
THIS GUY
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http://www.martinocatalano.com/Space_Jockey__painted__head.jpg
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Agree totally
The 1979 SJ is an absolutely brilliant and fiercely original creation
If that CGI looking big, bald, blue guy really is supposed to be the same SJ, or a member of the same race, but 'out of the suit', then its the laziest, lamest and most disappointing design/concept ever, with 'the big humanoid in a suit' being a cheap 'get out clause' for overcoming the difficulty of depicting a living, breathing, moving version of the original Giger masterpiece
Prometheus teaser talk over at Spill.com. I love these guys! ;D
http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/prometheus-teaser-talk (http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/prometheus-teaser-talk)
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Quote from: r888 on Dec 24, 2011, 07:04:04 AM
f**kING AWESOME
:o :o :o :o :o
I don't want to see humans
I WANT TO SEE MORE OF SPACE f**kING JOCKEY
Please I want to see this guy not humans
THIS GUY
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fmtaccess.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F08%2FRidley-reveals-Space-Jockey.jpg&hash=ac0a3562823c3e4a3a8ecb554739168baea571a1)
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http://www.martinocatalano.com/Space_Jockey__painted__head.jpg
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Agree totally
The 1979 SJ is an absolutely brilliant and fiercely original creation
If that CGI looking big, bald, blue guy really is supposed to be the same SJ, or a member of the same race, but 'out of the suit', then its the laziest, lamest and most disappointing design/concept ever, with 'the big humanoid in a suit' being a cheap 'get out clause' for overcoming the difficulty of depicting a living, breathing, moving version of the original Giger masterpiece
I would not call it lazyness or lamest depiction...Look at the comic books , jockeys depicted there are he most retarded ideas ever. Sorry, I'm honest now. I don't like the idea of Jockeys being some elephant-like giants, that are permanently fused to chair, or have limited movement ability...That's what I call lame...
Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 24, 2011, 10:29:37 PM
Quote from: r888 on Dec 24, 2011, 07:04:04 AM
f**kING AWESOME
:o :o :o :o :o
I don't want to see humans
I WANT TO SEE MORE OF SPACE f**kING JOCKEY
Please I want to see this guy not humans
THIS GUY
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fmtaccess.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F08%2FRidley-reveals-Space-Jockey.jpg&hash=ac0a3562823c3e4a3a8ecb554739168baea571a1)
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http://www.martinocatalano.com/Space_Jockey__painted__head.jpg
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Agree totally
The 1979 SJ is an absolutely brilliant and fiercely original creation
If that CGI looking big, bald, blue guy really is supposed to be the same SJ, or a member of the same race, but 'out of the suit', then its the laziest, lamest and most disappointing design/concept ever, with 'the big humanoid in a suit' being a cheap 'get out clause' for overcoming the difficulty of depicting a living, breathing, moving version of the original Giger masterpiece
I agree totally. It is lazy and cheap to make expensive movies and make the creatures look like a man. If that is indeed the jockey, that is very pathetic. >:( The trailer for the movie looks so great and to have the legendary jockeys just be a huge man would be very disappointing and possibly ruin the movie, which looks like has so much freaking potential. :(
Hopefully the film makers and powers that be are wiser than this. ;) ???
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 24, 2011, 11:55:38 AM
Why do people still come up with "has anyone seen the bald guy...?". 2nd day now after release of the trailer, it is HD quality...don't you think anyone checked each single frame? Just a few thousand people...this guy is an obvious thing, not a small detail.
Of course everyone has seen the bald guy! >:( ::) I was asking did it seem like to anyone else was he pushing a lever, as if causing the chair to come up out of the floor. Sorry I didn't clarify well enough for you. ::)
It looked to me that his hand is pushing a lever and something below the hand is moving like a lever. After watching 20 to 30 more times in large screen HD, no he isn't pushing a lever. :P
The trailer was amazing even in that terribly low quality and its even more stunning in HD. Seeing that imagery I just cant imagine how amazing its gonna be to see Scott's Alienesque vision in 3D. This is gonna be a fascinating experience to all senses
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 25, 2011, 04:16:59 AM
The trailer was amazing even in that terribly low quality and its even more stunning in HD. Seeing that imagery I just cant imagine how amazing its gonna be to see Scott's Alienesque vision in 3D. This is gonna be a fascinating experience to all senses
I rather see this movie without 3D, I want to see it in high resolution, rather in 3D.
Very Intriguing,derelict looks amazing this is definitely cinema material...
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Another collision with stupid AvP:R...there was Yutani allready involved with Yautja technology, so the merging with Weyland corp. was closer. Oh, how i hate that movie...
Not really. Ms. Yutani would have used the PredTech to become a multi-billion-rich-thing corporation while Weyland Corp. was already one of the leading corporations.
The merger could have been possible anytime but not that early.
/ends discussion of AvP stuff.
then i want to see some of the stolen Yautja technology in Prometheus, as a product of merging with Weyland corp
SOMEONE BAN THIS GUY RIGHT NOW. IM NOT KIDDING.
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Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 24, 2011, 09:38:30 PM
Another collision with stupid AvP:R...there was Yutani allready involved with Yautja technology, so the merging with Weyland corp. was closer. Oh, how i hate that movie...
Not really. Ms. Yutani would have used the PredTech to become a multi-billion-rich-thing corporation while Weyland Corp. was already one of the leading corporations.
The merger could have been possible anytime but not that early.
/ends discussion of AvP stuff.
then i want to see some of the stolen Yautja technology in Prometheus, as a product of merging with Weyland corp
SOMEONE BAN THIS GUY RIGHT NOW. IM NOT KIDDING.
Why ban? Explain...
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Quote from: Sexy Poot on Dec 25, 2011, 05:22:51 PM
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Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 24, 2011, 09:38:30 PM
Another collision with stupid AvP:R...there was Yutani allready involved with Yautja technology, so the merging with Weyland corp. was closer. Oh, how i hate that movie...
Not really. Ms. Yutani would have used the PredTech to become a multi-billion-rich-thing corporation while Weyland Corp. was already one of the leading corporations.
The merger could have been possible anytime but not that early.
/ends discussion of AvP stuff.
then i want to see some of the stolen Yautja technology in Prometheus, as a product of merging with Weyland corp
SOMEONE BAN THIS GUY RIGHT NOW. IM NOT KIDDING.
Why ban? Explain...
For wanting more of AvP:R. Do not take seriously, though. He doesn't mean it.
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Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 24, 2011, 09:38:30 PM
Another collision with stupid AvP:R...there was Yutani allready involved with Yautja technology, so the merging with Weyland corp. was closer. Oh, how i hate that movie...
Not really. Ms. Yutani would have used the PredTech to become a multi-billion-rich-thing corporation while Weyland Corp. was already one of the leading corporations.
The merger could have been possible anytime but not that early.
/ends discussion of AvP stuff.
then i want to see some of the stolen Yautja technology in Prometheus, as a product of merging with Weyland corp
SOMEONE BAN THIS GUY RIGHT NOW. IM NOT KIDDING.
Why ban? Explain...
For wanting more of AvP:R. Do not take seriously, though. He doesn't mean it.
I want a more of AVP:R ?? Hey, I hate that shit, but if movies are canon then we must take all things that happened there as important (more/less) for the next movies in the alien/pred franchise.
I know what you mean, but seeing how much both James Cameron and Ridley Scott hate the entire AvP franchise, do not expect any kind of 'homage' or 'nod' or even acceptance from them. And it's actually for the good if the movie(s) are de-canonized or something, wouldn't it?
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 25, 2011, 07:49:22 PM
I know what you mean, but seeing how much both James Cameron and Ridley Scott hate the entire AvP franchise, do not expect any kind of 'homage' or 'nod' or even acceptance from them. And it's actually for the good if the movie(s) are de-canonized or something, wouldn't it?
I'm aware of that :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQLRMIGA2I# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQLRMIGA2I#)
Yeah but Cameron changed his opinion. First he said he hated it and everything (i don't even know if he actually saw the movie at that point) a couple of years later he said in an interview he liked it a lot actually.
Edit :
I'm talking about the first avp ofcourse. I can't imagine someone without a really weird fetish liking avp-r.
Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 25, 2011, 07:55:16 PM
Yeah but Cameron changed his opinion. First he said he hated it and everything (i don't even know if he actually saw the movie at that point) a couple of years later he said in an interview he liked it a lot actually.
So, it's possible that.....oh come on...there will be no AVP 3...
Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 25, 2011, 07:55:16 PM
Yeah but Cameron changed his opinion. First he said he hated it and everything (i don't even know if he actually saw the movie at that point) a couple of years later he said in an interview he liked it a lot actually.
Might've been the other way around? He said it was quite good to AICN, but I've seen/heard him being more dismissive of it in other places lately. Same with the post-T2 Terminator movies. First they were fine, then they were "piss in the soup."
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Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 25, 2011, 07:55:16 PM
Yeah but Cameron changed his opinion. First he said he hated it and everything (i don't even know if he actually saw the movie at that point) a couple of years later he said in an interview he liked it a lot actually.
Might've been the other way around? He said it was quite good to AICN, but I've seen/heard him being more dismissive of it in other places lately. Same with the post-T2 Terminator movies. First they were fine, then they were "piss in the soup."
He said it in an interview right before avatar got released. So it's quite new if you ask me.
May be he had to. Who knows.
He had an Alien5 in mind, but AvP blew it. So that's why it makes sense for him to hate it, I guess.
But we all know that both of them loathe the franchise, inside.
Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 25, 2011, 07:55:16 PM
I'm talking about the first avp ofcourse. I can't imagine someone without a really weird fetish liking avp-r.
I was shocked..Who on earth (and in the whole galaxy) could like that men in rubber suits festival.
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Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 25, 2011, 07:55:16 PM
I'm talking about the first avp ofcourse. I can't imagine someone without a really weird fetish liking avp-r.
I was shocked..Who on earth (and in the whole galaxy) could like that men in rubber suits festival.
He liked AvP:R? He was obviously forced to say that then. :-X
Haha of course I was kidding. But if ur to think that all the movies are canon with each other, than I have to introduce u to my good friend predxeno. Hell fill u in ;D
Yeah, you and predxeno are gonna be best buddies! :)
Quote from: Sexy Poot on Dec 25, 2011, 08:41:06 PM
Haha of course I was kidding. But if ur to think that all the movies are canon with each other, than I have to introduce u to my good friend predxeno. Hell fill u in ;D
I'm out of picture now....
Cameron basically felt that it was a lot better than what he was expecting. In other words, he was pleasantly surprised.
I suspect he was imagining something a lot more superficial and comic-like (something very Michael Bay-ish), rather than a stab at grounding it in some sort of ominous historical mythos. Which, personally, I also liked. I think he probably understood what Anderson was attempting to do, even if he would have done it very differently.
Really, when you learn about how incredibly small the budget was, it's a marvel the film looked as good as it did. There are still clear problems in the narrative and it fails to emotionally engage most people, but when you realise they didn't even have enough money for all the characters to have separate flashlights... Seriously, they had to use camera tricks to make you think they had the budget for more than a couple of them.
I don't think the full story has yet come out about whether they had enough time for the schedule, either. I know that many of the problems with 'Requiem' looking rather crappy when it came to exterior action scenes, was because they literally had no time for more than one or two takes. We all know that the directors had some very bizarre ideas, but it makes you wonder if it would have at least looked better if they had been allowed the time they required for it.
Quote from: RumorControl on Dec 23, 2011, 02:35:49 AM
In Alien the derelict's two endpoints are pointing up and away from the ground:
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In the trailer it seems clear that the ship crashes down onto the planet flat, because we see the endpoints hitting the ground. Also I don't recall any structural damage visible on the derelict in Alien, while in the trailer the ship is being rocked by a big explosion.
Perhaps an even bigger reason why it can't be the same ship is that, if it is, then that means there are thousands of alien eggs on board which means the team will find them, and Scott has repeatedly said there are no aliens in this film.
random but i just about blew a load when i saw your avpr mst3 take, brings a tear to my eye
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 26, 2011, 12:15:56 AM
Cameron basically felt that it was a lot better than what he was expecting. In other words, he was pleasantly surprised.
I suspect he was imagining something a lot more superficial and comic-like (something very Michael Bay-ish), rather than a stab at grounding it in some sort of ominous historical mythos. Which, personally, I also liked. I think he probably understood what Anderson was attempting to do, even if he would have done it very differently.
Really, when you learn about how incredibly small the budget was, it's a marvel the film looked as good as it did. There are still clear problems in the narrative and it fails to emotionally engage most people, but when you realise they didn't even have enough money for all the characters to have separate flashlights... Seriously, they had to use camera tricks to make you think they had the budget for more than a couple of them.
I don't think the full story has yet come out about whether they had enough time for the schedule, either. I know that many of the problems with 'Requiem' looking rather crappy when it came to exterior action scenes, was because they literally had no time for more than one or two takes. We all know that the directors had some very bizarre ideas, but it makes you wonder if it would have at least looked better if they had been allowed the time they required for it.
The problem with AVP's is money..nothing else...money and very little time for shooting. AVp1 is very good movie,of course it's nothing epic like Aliens but it's a very good movie, consodering the fact how little time the crew had and how low on the budget they were. And that's not a problem of a director but a studio (FOX).
"Here's hoping Darkest Hour is no indication of what we can expect from screenwriter Jon Spaihts's next credit, the Alien spinoff Prometheus."
-The Hollywood Reporter
I wonder if James Cameron has seen the trailer? I'd love to know what he thought.
Quote from: DemonicD13 on Dec 26, 2011, 04:21:31 PM
"Here's hoping Darkest Hour is no indication of what we can expect from screenwriter Jon Spaihts's next credit, the Alien spinoff Prometheus."
-The Hollywood Reporter
But Ridley is involved....
And isn't Prometheus written mostly by Damon Lindeloff?
Hopefully not :o
Prometheus was initially written by Spaihts....Lindelof came in and rewrote the script keeping some of the bones of the story that Spaihts wrote.
Lindelof also went to great lengths to say that he crafted the story around Ridleys ideas.
A v P had multiple problems. a low budget yes, demands from fox of it being pg-13, having a below average director like Paul W S Anderson, the predators looked too big clumsy and cumbersome compared to the classic sleek looking depictions from predator 1 and 2. The speeding up of the xenomorph reproductive and growth cycle, the queen looked great but run like T rex from J park, fox adding cg blood for the dvd release felt like a cash in stunt, it goes to show how business like fox is now and out've touch with it's viewing audience it is. The only thing AVP R got right was how much more sleek the predator looked. That's one of the reasons i'm concerned about Prometheus bad decision making, the anaemic Dr Manhatten lookalike and this PG-13 rating caper and that jumping mutant thing that resembled something from the resident evil films just dosen't sit well with me. The sets look amazing though, the ships look superb and when the engineers/jockeys craft crashing whilst the two crew members are running looks stunning and it looks like we're in for some damn brilliant acting too, Rapace was superb in the millenium trilogy and Fassbender is simply hitting his peek at the moment, Theron is great and Logan Marshall Green is pretty good too. I'm just still dubious about the above elements i picked up on and concerned about weather Fox are gonna stick their oar in and completely tarnish potentially one of Scotts greatest creations.Only time will tell. It's good to see Dr Manhatten is still getting work though after Watchmen.
Anemic looking Dr. Manhattan....based off of an image that's barely there, even at 1080p??? Are you looking for things not to like? I'm not saying that everything in Prometheus will be perfect and awesome, not at all...but showing pessimism based off of FRAMES of content that is without context seems a bit premature no?
Judge what you see based on an the entire film. Please?
It's a trailer. It's supposed to make us get excited about it. Surely it can go both ways?
So I just went to see the girl with the dragon tattoo, Great movie but of course i was looking foreward to the trailer! They didnt have it lol I was upset anyone else seen it with the movie?
Quote from: higherprimate on Dec 27, 2011, 12:00:38 AM
So I just went to see the girl with the dragon tattoo, Great movie but of course i was looking foreward to the trailer! They didnt have it lol I was upset anyone else seen it with the movie?
Topics merged.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 26, 2011, 05:21:17 PM
Prometheus was initially written by Spaihts....Lindelof came in and rewrote the script keeping some of the bones of the story that Spaihts wrote.
Lindelof also went to great lengths to say that he crafted the story around Ridleys ideas.
Yes he was brought in to take the Spaihts script and make it "not an Alien movie". Apparently the Spaihts script was full of classic Alien tropes; facehuggers, chestbusters etc. Lindelof, to paraphrase, "took some of the sub-texts of that script and brought them to the front, pushing those old tropes into the background". This was all at Ridley Scott's own request.
-Chris
At the risk of getting seriously flamed and bad karma sent my way, I have read both Spaihts scripts "Shadow 19" as well as "Passengers". I will noit discuss "Alien Harvest", as there never has been (to my knowledge) formal confirmation from Jon Spaihts that he had anything to do with "Alien Harvest".
Nevertheless, getting back on subject....ummm, how do I say this, I wasn't impressed by either "Shadow 19" nor "Passengers". "Shadow 19" was just a re-write (pontentially plagriasm ** cough **) of "Rogue Moon" by Algis Budrys. Seriously, if you have read "Shadow 19", look up the plot synopsis to Rogue Moon on Wikipedia. Better still, read the superior original novella. "Shadow 19" also has many similarities to Alistair Reynold's "Diamond Dogs".
"Passenger 19" was just soap opera set in space with a cliche love story shoved in. The ending also stretches credibility.
Sorry to sound like a grinch, but Spaiht's (from what I have read) cannot hold a candle to any number of modern Sci-Fi writers, including Alistair Reynolds, Ian M. Banks, Greg Bear, Peter Hamilton, Peter Watts, Charles Stross, etc., etc.
Alien's original script wasn't great before it was rewritten, so it might be the same case here.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 25, 2011, 11:15:12 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 25, 2011, 04:16:59 AM
The trailer was amazing even in that terribly low quality and its even more stunning in HD. Seeing that imagery I just cant imagine how amazing its gonna be to see Scott's Alienesque vision in 3D. This is gonna be a fascinating experience to all senses
I rather see this movie without 3D, I want to see it in high resolution, rather in 3D.
I want 3D, definitely. A horror movie from Scott, and alien related and in 3 dimensions is a dream come true nerdgasm for me. For me with 3D done right its like being there or really looking from the side.
I just cant stand the wait for this movie. I always rewatch the ALien trilogy (resurrection abomination doesnt exist for me) once every year or a bit more (to keep it fresh), but this year I cant watch it cause I keep thinking about Prometheus and the anticipation is killin me
Again....remember that Lindelof rewrote the script with portions of Spaihts original story left in. I would hope that both Lindelof and Spaihts realize what sacred ground an Alien script is. Mediocrity comes so easily and originality / singularity is such a tight rope. I'm hoping pretty badly that Prometheus delivers on story.
I am certainly worried about the Ancient Alien component...but if it's believable and well done, I'll be fine with it. I hope that Ridley approaches Prometheus with as much realism as he did with A L I E N and Blade Runner. In that context...imagine discovering what the crew of Prometheus discovers....how that would affect the science community and the people of earth, the religious community, and every day life....it would be absolutely profound.
I really can't wait for a longer trailer....that's when we'll be able to gage the magnitude that will be Prometheus. I wonder when they'll release another trailer? March would seem a bit too far...almost 3 months?
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 27, 2011, 04:00:38 AMSorry to sound like a grinch, but Spaiht's (from what I have read) cannot hold a candle to any number of modern Sci-Fi writers, including Alistair Reynolds, Ian M. Banks, Greg Bear, Peter Hamilton, Peter Watts, Charles Stross, etc., etc.
Perhaps Jon Spaihts was just a pen hand for hire at the time, and the reason that the Prometheus script was re-written was because his original script sucked. Taking sub-text and making it text suggests that the text of the early script was either too literal or just downright awful.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 27, 2011, 04:38:32 AMI am certainly worried about the Ancient Alien component...but if it's believable and well done, I'll be fine with it.
Hopefully Ridley Scott's comments about "Avatar raising the bar" don't mean that he is going for spectacle over substance. Nothing wrong with a bit of spectacle of course.
-Chris
What references is he making to Avatar?
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 08:59:24 AMWhat references is he making to Avatar?
I don't remember the exact comment, but it was in relation to 3D films and how James Cameron "raised the bar" for science fiction with Avatar. It may of just been in reference to the technology of course.
-Chris
That's no reference.
I thought he was going to connect it to the story of Avatar. :o
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 09:08:33 AM
That's no reference.
I thought he was going to connect it to the story of Avatar. :o
Gods no! Just a comment that Scott made back when news that the Alien prequel was being shot in 3D first came out.
-Chris
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 27, 2011, 04:28:46 AM
Alien's original script wasn't great before it was rewritten, so it might be the same case here.
But it did have some of the most hilarious character names in film history. :D
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 27, 2011, 08:56:35 AM
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 27, 2011, 04:00:38 AMSorry to sound like a grinch, but Spaiht's (from what I have read) cannot hold a candle to any number of modern Sci-Fi writers, including Alistair Reynolds, Ian M. Banks, Greg Bear, Peter Hamilton, Peter Watts, Charles Stross, etc., etc.
Perhaps Jon Spaihts was just a pen hand for hire at the time, and the reason that the Prometheus script was re-written was because his original script sucked. Taking sub-text and making it text suggests that the text of the early script was either too literal or just downright awful.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 27, 2011, 04:38:32 AMI am certainly worried about the Ancient Alien component...but if it's believable and well done, I'll be fine with it.
Hopefully Ridley Scott's comments about "Avatar raising the bar" don't mean that he is going for spectacle over substance. Nothing wrong with a bit of spectacle of course.
-Chris
whoa, hold on. maybe his script was just too directly linked to alien?
and hiring a new guy for the script isn't that unusual; damon lindelof ist taking the part of david peoples in blade runner.
Quote from: Kol on Dec 27, 2011, 12:26:44 PMwhoa, hold on. maybe his script was just too directly linked to alien?
Yeah, that's why I said "suggests that the text of the early script was [either] too literal..." 8)
-Chris
Crikey! The Darkest Hour is getting absolutely slaughtered, and Jon Spaihts' script is being singled out a lot in the reviews, one of them describe it as braindead.
I'm confident he was working with duff material to begin with and his contribution was to whip it into coherent shape; on Prometheus he created the spine of the story (as he tells Variety) while Lindelof reworked other aspects.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 27, 2011, 08:56:35 AM
Quote from: deuterium on Dec 27, 2011, 04:00:38 AMSorry to sound like a grinch, but Spaiht's (from what I have read) cannot hold a candle to any number of modern Sci-Fi writers, including Alistair Reynolds, Ian M. Banks, Greg Bear, Peter Hamilton, Peter Watts, Charles Stross, etc., etc.
Perhaps Jon Spaihts was just a pen hand for hire at the time, and the reason that the Prometheus script was re-written was because his original script sucked. Taking sub-text and making it text suggests that the text of the early script was either too literal or just downright awful.
My guess is that Lindelof pushed the whole God angle of the film. Although Ridley had mentioned Gods and Engineers before.
Maybe him and Ridley started talking about Von Daniken. But yes I took Lindelof's role as being a David People's kind of scenario. Especially since Lindelof said he was writing FOR Ridley.
I've watched the trailer 23 times (Give or take ;D) But it's so exciting. There are so many questions that need to be answered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj4KojNC5sQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj4KojNC5sQ#ws)
I agree with his review and sums up the review nicely.
Always good stuff from him, but he did miss up on the derelict ship! I definitely want to check out his and Spill's review once the movie is out.
I'm looking forward to Chester A. Bum's review once the movie is out :laugh:.
Oh my god it will be the greatest movie he will have ever seen in his life!
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Oh my god, dat sig
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The trailer was wonderful; I loved the intense atmosphere. I'm looking forward to seeing this movie this summer. :)
It's possible that we will see another trailer, that will be longer, since this is only a teaser
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Jan 03, 2012, 02:28:45 PM
It's possible that we will see another trailer, that will be longer, since this is only a teaser
We'll see more trailers when the movie is a month away, I am guessing.
But I don't want too many trailers. :(
So don't watch them.
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So don't watch them.
How can that be done????
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Quote from: psychonaut25 on Jan 03, 2012, 10:59:40 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 03, 2012, 10:44:43 PM
So don't watch them.
How can that be done????
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That will be done.
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Better Quality YAHOO!'s Encode
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Trailer rated: 12A by BBFC.
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/ATxxx286710/ (http://www.bbfc.co.uk/ATxxx286710/)
This better be rated r
Ridley Scott please make it r
You are the best director
I want some space jockey, lots of people getting kill,
Sexy shot of Charlize ass
What is he holding there? Anybody know
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Looks to me like the same thing thats on the space jockeys face +trunk)
Bri
Quote from: BUGZ on Jan 11, 2012, 06:50:46 PM
Looks to me like the same thing thats on the space jockeys face +trunk)
Bri
I think it is a proto-facehugger
So did Jon Spaihts's screenplay get canned? I really hope it did as his only other writing credit was this: http://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-darkest-hour (http://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-darkest-hour)
Awesome stuff. Really looking forward to this one. Been a long time since I got my Alien fix. There hasn't been any good ones for a while now.
I have watched the trailer in HD probably 100 times. I have no idea what is going on. Clearly this is not the same ship, or even the same planet from Alien. I think Ridley saw Avatar, and said to himself, hmmm... 3D? I could tell a story about the Space Jockey race in 3D and scare the living shit out of people. Noomi Rapace seems to be saying "It was wrong, it was so wrong, I'm sorry." She might have been raped, and given birth to the blue guy that watches the space jockey chair lift from the ground.
The trailer was great nice to see it in HD.
I noticed something on the derelict, that is possibly just my imagination, but anyway want to share it here:
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The ship looks to be lit with a dim blue-ish light inside, like that light in which holographic star system is demonstrated. (It would sound amusing, but I even had a dream, seeing this derelict's entrails all illuminated with that light, and what a picturesque sight it was! ;))
Looking to see more of the derelict in the June :)
Phew, I'm not the only one having dreams about Prometheus and Alien.
I think I just saw a DEAD ALIEN (original) dried up fossilized on the ground in the trailer, while the red beams are scanning that cave,the David character picks up something right in front of it.
Do you recall what was the time position in the trailer you saw it?
A new international and online trailer has been rated by the BBFC as 12 in the past day or so:
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/BTxxx286710/ (http://www.bbfc.co.uk/BTxxx286710/)
Ahaha, i've just seen the german trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI-VzMlF2A8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI-VzMlF2A8#ws)
Subtitle looks and sounds silly (dark signs) AND we get one of the worst synchro voices ever...at 0:45, this is the german voice for Milla Jovovich, same way as in "Jeanne d'Arc" and in this movie it was the most unfitting voice EVER. I mean WTF? who is responsible for that?!
Will skip the german version and stick with the original...as usual :laugh:
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 03, 2012, 12:32:46 PM
Ahaha, i've just seen the german trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI-VzMlF2A8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI-VzMlF2A8#ws)
Subtitle looks and sounds silly (dark signs) AND we get one of the worst synchro voices ever...at 0:45, this is the german voice for Milla Jovovich, same way as in "Jeanne d'Arc" and in this movie it was the most unfitting voice EVER. I mean WTF? who is responsible for that?!
Will skip the german version and stick with the original...as usual :laugh:
it's noomi rapace dub-actor and been used in the millenium-trilogy, the german version, of course.
and a side note to all the other landsman: this voice is also the german dub-voice for bart simpson! :o
transgender.
Hört sich erbärmlich an...ich kannte die Stimme halt nur aus "Johanna von Orleans" und "Verblendung" und va. im ersten Fall EXTREM störend...*kreisch* FOLGT MIR!!! im zweiten Fall GERADE NOCH zu ertragen.
Translation: Yumm yumm, Schnitzel!
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 03, 2012, 01:15:36 PMTranslation: Yumm yumm, Schnitzel!
Spoiler tags please. Sheesh. ;D
-Chris
Quote from: r888 on Jan 10, 2012, 03:55:43 PM
This better be rated r
Ridley Scott please make it r
You are the best director
I want some space jockey, lots of people getting kill,
Sexy shot of Charlize ass
What is he holding there? Anybody know
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One thing is for sure he is pulling it out an ampule.
so it wont be anything good.
Quote from: Infected on Feb 26, 2012, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: r888 on Jan 10, 2012, 03:55:43 PM
This better be rated r
Ridley Scott please make it r
You are the best director
I want some space jockey, lots of people getting kill,
Sexy shot of Charlize ass
What is he holding there? Anybody know
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One thing is for sure he is pulling it out an ampule.
so it wont be anything good.
Seems like everyone assumes that that is one of the Ampules from the Head Monolith room. Did it change colour on the journey back?
Quote from: bunnyavpg on Feb 26, 2012, 11:10:27 AM
Quote from: Infected on Feb 26, 2012, 10:26:26 AM
Quote from: r888 on Jan 10, 2012, 03:55:43 PM
This better be rated r
Ridley Scott please make it r
You are the best director
I want some space jockey, lots of people getting kill,
Sexy shot of Charlize ass
What is he holding there? Anybody know
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Ac0-dIESHY4%2FTu-jQ_E2NNI%2FAAAAAAAAAQ8%2FOBTO7EudP2U%2Fs1600%2Fprometheus_teaser_13.jpg&hash=676c2e1324bec6e5dd09d4b6237977b794b775b8)
One thing is for sure he is pulling it out an ampule.
so it wont be anything good.
Seems like everyone assumes that that is one of the Ampules from the Head Monolith room. Did it change colour on the journey back?
Its grey,in the trailer its darker but they still look grey.
Please note that different shades of grey out there. The ampules are a metallic, darker hue than the light, flat grey we see here. They also look pretty solid, instead of having some sort of lid (indicated by the crease on the top) and Fassbender's experiment here looks a lot more cylindrical.
I personally am not sold on what it is, we'll just have to wait and see.
I never knew the balls with the red lasers were flying i watched the trailer on my hd tv and saw it.
Guess they somehow scan the whole enviroment and map it digitaly? (if they are friendly)
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And the voice in the beginning is saying: come in Prometheus come in Prometheus. at first i didnt think it but now im starting to think that it sounds like Sigourney Weavers voice.
Im probably wrong because i also hear an English accent through the voice.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 26, 2012, 12:47:30 PM
Please note that different shades of grey out there. The ampules are a metallic, darker hue than the light, flat grey we see here. They also look pretty solid, instead of having some sort of lid (indicated by the crease on the top) and Fassbender's experiment here looks a lot more cylindrical.
I personally am not sold on what it is, we'll just have to wait and see.
the ampules have all different sizes. if you see them in a dark environment, with no natural lights like the ampule room they appear darker than in a med-lab with all the lights on. ::) to me there's no doubt that he is taking this primordial being out of an ampule.