Was this a good prequel to alien? I have asked my self that way to many times and frankly I have to say no because unless they made a clone of weyland then he screwed up on this one. A lot of things in the movie bother me still bother me like how in Prometheus the engineers are in suits when in alien the engineer has no suit on he actually looks like that.http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/space-jockey-alien.jpg (http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/space-jockey-alien.jpg) You can see the mouth open in the picture and where the chest burster came out. Tell us what you think.
its not a prequel
Quote from: predalien48 on Aug 14, 2014, 02:38:17 PM
unless they made a clone of weyland then he screwed up on this one.
Can you elaborate? If you're talking about Charles B Weyland, Ridley Scott chose to ignore the AvP film continuity for his film.
Quote from: predalien48 on Aug 14, 2014, 02:38:17 PM
Prometheus the engineers are in suits when in alien the engineer has no suit on he actually looks like that.http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/space-jockey-alien.jpg (http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/space-jockey-alien.jpg) You can see the mouth open in the picture and where the chest burster came out.
Different ship obviously lets the suit from ALIEN be a different suit. Maybe the suit from ALIEN has a mouthpiece, or just a flap that only looks like a mouth to human eyes. And there's no reason why the chest burster couldn't have come out through the "ribs" of the suit.
Quote from: predalien48 on Aug 14, 2014, 02:38:17 PM
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Story pacing aside, I think there's some continuity issues in terms of the difference in technology between Prometheus and the Alien films - but overall, yeah he did a good enough job.
^ Fifield's "pups" would have made a really good difference in Aliens to do recons on the Atmosphere Processor. :P
Rather.
(If one ignores that fat lot of good they did in Prometheus...)
Am I remembering it right from one of the ALIEN commentaries that Ridley wanted to use them?
Not called pups but an automated mapping / scanning device. Either the technology wasn't available or budget stopped it.
^ That is correct.
Thanks!
I've been on an ALIEN marathon of late...makings of...vintage articles...books.
I'm going to start taking notes! To keep it straight. ;D
I think yes and no. It works as a parallel story for the most part. The part which doesn't work are the differing aesthetics and tech used in the film.
Oh yeah so my opinion for the topic is that it's not a good prequel for Alien, but in theory (because I dislike the film, irrelevant) works better as another story in the same universe. Little ties Prometheus directly to the events in Alien so it's not really a set-up story for Alien.
Biggest difference would be the tech as others have mentioned before. But for those who really care about continuity it can be somewhat justified (classic 'really old blue collar tug vs billions of dollars top of the line exploration vehicle' argument), as can the discrepancies with the space jockeys (different tech, one out of the two ships we've seen is older/different from the other).
Jockey discrepancies are neither here nor there.
Ditto technology compared to Alien - Company flagship vs. beat up tug.
It's when you get to Aliens that the technology issues become a bit problematic.
Quote from: predalien48 on Aug 14, 2014, 02:38:17 PM
Was this a good prequel to alien? I have asked my self that way to many times and frankly I have to say no because unless they made a clone of weyland then he screwed up on this one. A lot of things in the movie bother me still bother me like how in Prometheus the engineers are in suits when in alien the engineer has no suit on he actually looks like that.http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/space-jockey-alien.jpg (http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/space-jockey-alien.jpg) You can see the mouth open in the picture and where the chest burster came out. Tell us what you think.
Quite honestly I've always accepted that the original space jockey wore a biomechanical suit but not covering the head, and originally that would have been covered in a clear space helmet before they decided to not include it. But I suppose the relationship between the engineers with their suits and that thing in the chair remain a blur to let go of.
I think overall he did a good enough job, but as SM pointed out, the advanced technology still annoys me a little bit.
It's just an ok film with some good stuff in it...
and some VERY DUMB shieeett. :P Just a little step above Alien Resurrection for me.
The technology stuff doesnt annoy me... the bad story beats do.
Prometheus was nice , but I don't find it good as a prequel .
It's a good movie... but i am still recovering from the fact that the SJ's are suits for humans... it. destroyed that whole mystery feeling from the original... So as prequel it's bad.. But doesn't matter anymore...
The damage is done.....
Quote from: Blacklabel on Aug 14, 2014, 10:33:37 PM
^ Fifield's "pups" would have made a really good difference in Aliens to do recons on the Atmosphere Processor. :P
They may have been bleeding-edge at the time of
Prometheus, but it does seem odd that something so obviously useful was not practically ubiquitous ninety years later.
Minor quibbles aside,he did a good job.
Quote from: SM on Aug 14, 2014, 10:35:13 PM
(If one ignores that fat lot of good they did in Prometheus...)
They lead the characters through the network on tunnels. Mapping the area to reveal the juggernaut giving the characters time to judge what to do about it.
Quote from: Doktor_Wunderbar on Aug 16, 2014, 08:18:31 AM
but it does seem odd that something so obviously useful was not practically ubiquitous ninety years later.
They were a technology designed by Fifield, most probably at the end of the prototype stage. Hence they most likely were lost along with the crew of Prometheus.
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 17, 2014, 12:04:43 AM
Quote from: Doktor_Wunderbar on Aug 16, 2014, 08:18:31 AM
but it does seem odd that something so obviously useful was not practically ubiquitous ninety years later.
They were a technology designed by Fifield, most probably at the end of the prototype stage. Hence they most likely were lost along with the crew of Prometheus.
I can imagine some sort of link between Fifield's pups and the device that scans Ripley's shuttle at the start of
Aliens. Though according to the Weyland promo website, the pups were Weyland tech, I'm 99% sure. Though a lot of stuff on that website both references and muddles Alien continuity - like how the website says Atmospheric Processors have been around for decades and decades yet Burke still has to explain to Ripley what one was in Hadley's Hope.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Aug 17, 2014, 01:05:05 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 17, 2014, 12:04:43 AM
Quote from: Doktor_Wunderbar on Aug 16, 2014, 08:18:31 AM
but it does seem odd that something so obviously useful was not practically ubiquitous ninety years later.
They were a technology designed by Fifield, most probably at the end of the prototype stage. Hence they most likely were lost along with the crew of Prometheus.
I can imagine some sort of link between Fifield's pups and the device that scans Ripley's shuttle at the start of Aliens. Though according to the Weyland promo website, the pups were Weyland tech, I'm 99% sure. Though a lot of stuff on that website both references and muddles Alien continuity - like how the website says Atmospheric Processors have been around for decades and decades yet Burke still has to explain to Ripley what one was in Hadley's Hope.
They were described as a Weyland patent. I've come to take promotional materials of any sort with a few grains of salt.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Aug 17, 2014, 01:05:05 AM
like how the website says Atmospheric Processors have been around for decades and decades yet Burke still has to explain to Ripley what one was in Hadley's Hope.
Isn't the name kinda self-explanatory? :)
He had to tell her the name first.
Filmmakers should almost be barred from making prequels to their seminal science fiction works from now on.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Aug 17, 2014, 01:05:05 AM
I can imagine some sort of link between Fifield's pups and the device that scans Ripley's shuttle at the start of Aliens. Though according to the Weyland promo website, the pups were Weyland tech, I'm 99% sure. Though a lot of stuff on that website both references and muddles Alien continuity - like how the website says Atmospheric Processors have been around for decades and decades yet Burke still has to explain to Ripley what one was in Hadley's Hope.
Did Ripley know what a wheelbarrow was?
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ridley-scott-prometheus-alien/ (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ridley-scott-prometheus-alien/)
Here spaihts explains the difference in technology.
QuoteThey lead the characters through the network on tunnels. Mapping the area to reveal the juggernaut giving the characters time to judge what to do about it.
And yet the guy who brought them got lost and then got killed. As did the guy with him. Despite a nice big 3D map on Prometheus that pinpointed their exact location and could've been used to guide them.
Quote from: SM on Aug 17, 2014, 11:05:20 PM
QuoteThey lead the characters through the network on tunnels. Mapping the area to reveal the juggernaut giving the characters time to judge what to do about it.
And yet the guy who brought them got lost and then got killed. As did the guy with him. Despite a nice big 3D map on Prometheus that pinpointed their exact location and could've been used to guide them.
Fifield was high. I'm not surprised he got lost. I also thought that him getting high was the single dumbest part of the movie, but at least it explains why he was lost.
To nitpick, we don't see him getting high until they settle in the ampule room after getting lost.
There's no indication he was high prior to them getting lost.
And it still doesn't make any difference. As soon as they don't know where they are, they can contact Prometheus to guide them out. That gets handwaved.
Memory's fuzzy - did the storm not make communication difficult? What would be the point of leading them out to a terrible storm very far from the Prometheus, with all the vans and RVs parked in the garage?
From what I recall just when they were starting to lose their way Janek's like "goodnight the storm's gonna make talking a bitch" and they're like "ahh f**k you but we'll see you in the morning so fine we'll deal with this later." Pups did their job, and getting lost was no big deal, handwaved because Fifield and Milburn didn't expect to get killed by the hammerpede that night.
From what I recall, anyway.
Janek talks to them a couple times after the storm hits and we can see their locations on the 3D map.
The storm only seems to cause minor disruption to the audio and video feeds.
You guys are not seeing the forest for the trees here. Fifield and Milburn wanted to get "lost".
Janek knew what was up. ;)
Quote from: SM on Aug 17, 2014, 11:05:20 PM
QuoteThey lead the characters through the network on tunnels. Mapping the area to reveal the juggernaut giving the characters time to judge what to do about it.
And yet the guy who brought them got lost and then got killed. As did the guy with him. Despite a nice big 3D map on Prometheus that pinpointed their exact location and could've been used to guide them.
Guide them where? The exit? Not a good idea when there's the worst storm imaginable outside. As Janek said the only option is wait until the morning once the storm has past.
That said, the Pups were not useless. Fifield and Milburn were the idiots for not immediately calling the ship for help in the 15 or so minutes before the storm hit.
QuoteGuide them where? The exit? Not a good idea when there's the worst storm imaginable outside.
...
They got lost
before the storm hit.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Aug 18, 2014, 03:30:15 AM
To nitpick, we don't see him getting high until they settle in the ampule room after getting lost.
My bad. It's been a while.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 18, 2014, 02:05:20 PM
You guys are not seeing the forest for the trees here. Fifield and Milburn wanted to get "lost".
Janek knew what was up. ;)
Wait... so he ignored um because he thought they wanted to f**k? Oh man, no, so that is why fifield took so long to attack the prometheus.
YES! i love how it explains nothing, and it leaves so much mystery regarding its plot.
Quote from: SM on Aug 18, 2014, 10:20:15 PM
QuoteGuide them where? The exit? Not a good idea when there's the worst storm imaginable outside.
...
They got lost before the storm hit.
I know...
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 18, 2014, 04:41:54 PM
Fifield and Milburn were the idiots for not immediately calling the ship for help in the 15 or so minutes before the storm hit.
The pups were still doing their job. Remember they had yet to map out the Juggernaut.
For all of you who think its not a prequel checkout the link.http://www.imdb.com/news/ni28147436/ (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni28147436/)
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 18, 2014, 11:06:46 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 18, 2014, 02:05:20 PM
You guys are not seeing the forest for the trees here. Fifield and Milburn wanted to get "lost".
Janek knew what was up. ;)
Wait... so he ignored um because he thought they wanted to f**k? Oh man, no, so that is why fifield took so long to attack the prometheus.
Yeah, yeah... remember Janek told them to
"sleep tight" and "not to bugger each other" while slyly winking.
It would also explain why Milbum made a beeline to Hifield in the mess-hall and introduced himself while totally ignoring the dude sitting next to him. It was love at first sight!! :-* Hifield was still "in the closet" so to speak so that explains his inexplicably hostile reaction towards Milbum. Later on in the APC they were already discreetly bumbing helmets and by the time they found the head they just had to have each other! They couldn't do it in the ship because Hifield hasn't come out yet so they decided to spend the night in a deserted, romantic alien temple complex.
So it's either lazy writing which got them lost or there is a homoerotic subplot between those two characters.
YES!
Quote from: predalien48 on Aug 19, 2014, 01:51:17 PM
For all of you who think its not a prequel checkout the link.http://www.imdb.com/news/ni28147436/ (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni28147436/)
Did you actually read that? :-X
Quote from: Gilfryd on Aug 17, 2014, 04:42:06 PM
Filmmakers should almost be barred from making prequels to their seminal science fiction works from now on.
Quoted for truth!
I don't think Prometheus is a very good film, the main thing which makes it a prequel in my book is the engineer = space jockey. I seriously wish they has just left the space jockey alone, they could have still done the engineers but just had them be another race. This would have retained the original mystery of the SJ in Alien and not really impacted Prometheus as a film in any way.
No, it lacked all the cool Industrial look that Alien had and made everything look so easy and rich, almost in a Star Trek way.
I know it was Weyland and its money stuff.
It lacked the mystery like when they went in Alien into the Derelict every step they take is a mystery into another special room,
here they just walk around and see really nothing, Ridley tried to show something special with the stupid holograms what made no sense at all, it means if you wanted to find out what happened to the engineer crew you had to run and follow the holograms through the facility lol, he had to put more mystery in it, like the green crystal and the door with the xeno mural on it, i wanted more of that.
I didnt give a f**k about snakes in an alien temple and so on..
Prometheus i did and do enjoy, but its kinda like George Lucas did when he brought us the Phantom Menace, he had no f**king clue in all these years what made Star Wars so special and cool, after aaalllll these years all he could come up with was the Phantom Menace, and thats the same with Prometheus, after aaaaaalll these years you come up with this!!
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Questionable things indeed...
Prometheus wasn't a prequel... At least not the version they ended up making.
So no, he did a crap job at making an Alien prequel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UEv03g51kU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UEv03g51kU)
Watch this trailer again.. this promised my emotions so much :D its a brilliand trailer btw.
No. He produced a stinking pile of shiny dog shit and DAMN YOU SCOTT MAKE THE NEXT ONE.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Aug 30, 2014, 03:23:29 PMNo. He produced a stinking pile of shiny dog shit and DAMN YOU SCOTT MAKE THE NEXT ONE.
Why no? Infected's absolutely right. That
was a great trailer and it
did make the film look awesome.
Sadly the film itself wasn't anything like as good.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 01, 2014, 07:40:48 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Aug 30, 2014, 03:23:29 PMNo. He produced a stinking pile of shiny dog shit and DAMN YOU SCOTT MAKE THE NEXT ONE.
Why no? Infected's absolutely right. That was a great trailer and it did make the film look awesome.
Sadly the film itself wasn't anything like as good.
It is probably one of the best trailers ever!