Hey everyone. I figured I'd throw this up as it's own topic and let the moderator's move it, if they wish. Just so people could see it when surfing the board for new topics.
Just returned from the I V I I V I Mondo/Alamo Drafthouse ALIENS + Q&A w/ Sigourney Weaver at TOWN HALL in NYC.
I had great seats (3rd Row). Sigourney could probably smell my pizza breath.
For real though, it was a blast seeing Aliens with Sigourney and a Sold Out Theatre.
The real news here is how much she spoke about Blomkamp's ALIEN. She didn't even have to be asked, she would bring it up in conversation and she did spill some minor, interesting details.
She speaks of the script as if - as far as she is concerned - it's happening already, and in her mind is the "most satisfying" ending of the story. When first asked about working with Michael Biehn, and their flirtation/romantic relationship in ALIENS, she added "You will see a lot more of that in the next one."
She continued to say she just wrapped something else with Blomkamp which she can't talk about, in South Africa. She stated how expansive the Alien5 story is, and mentioned that, like the other films, Blomkamp's film has a very particular new vision. She made a dig about having to "Wait for Prometheus 2" or "Whatever it's being called now." Weaver also stated how fond she is of 3 and 4 and that this film isn't going to 'Wipe them out" but run parallel to them. You can take that how you want. I took it to mean, this will be an alternate Alien 3. When asked her opinion of AVP she dropped the professionalism and said "I haven't seen it and then I heard that the Alien didn't even win so I thought 'f**k THAT!' " It was very, very funny. She of course spoke very highly of Ridley Scott and James Cameron.
One of the more interesting things she said was in response to a seemingly innocent question. An audience member asked her what she thought the fate of Jonesy, the cat, would be... Her response, to paraphrase was: That she imagines that Ripley found her a good home with a friend on Gateway station (musing) but she added "when all that is over they, I imagine the THREE of them, OR MAYBE THE FOUR OF THEM NOW, will go back and pick up Jonesy."
When we left my two friends also noted that they took that as a deliberate slip of information regarding the way the next film ends and who survives...
I feel like Im forgetting something but that's all I got for now.
I got a Mondo Tee of Ripley, and a selection of the badges from ALIEN and also a set of pins, that were exclusive. It was truly an unforgettable night. If this is what ALIEN DAY will be like every year, this is the start of a beautiful friendship.
Weaver, like Scott are both excellent corporate team players. I read it as nothing more than doing their part to sell the idea that this movie has potential but I doubt anything has really gotten off of the ground yet. If Covenant does well; then they'll move on this.
I think it's more indicative of what she's read in the script. Thanks for passing on the details and representing the AvPG community, Cain!
What I find interesting is the suggestion of that 4th person - Bishop, perhaps?
Yeah, I'm thinking it's Bishop. The movie *HAS* to have him. So you'd have Ripley, Hicks, Newt and Bishop.
I'm still going with my theory that we'll find out the Ripley, Newt and Hicks we saw in Alien 3 were clones, thus Alien 3 and Resurrection still "counting" towards the franchise.
You missed the part where the audience BOOed "Prometheus 2" after she brought it up.
sounds like it's not quite as 'on hold' as we thought.
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Apr 27, 2016, 08:32:40 AMI'm still going with my theory that we'll find out the Ripley, Newt and Hicks we saw in Alien 3 were clones, thus Alien 3 and Resurrection still "counting" towards the franchise.
I really hope not. That would be such a lame story angle to take. Why the hell would anyone even want to clone them and send them to Fury 161? What would that conceivably achieve?
Clones would be equally as bas as the "it was all a dream" idea.
Bishop is not a human. Fourth human - Hudson! He's alive! I always knew it! ;D
Quote from: Alienon. on Apr 27, 2016, 09:52:46 AM
Bishop is not a human. Fourth human - Hudson! He's alive! I always knew it! ;D
Aliens.5? :P
She doesn't say human though.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 09:49:32 AM
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Apr 27, 2016, 08:32:40 AMI'm still going with my theory that we'll find out the Ripley, Newt and Hicks we saw in Alien 3 were clones, thus Alien 3 and Resurrection still "counting" towards the franchise.
I really hope not. That would be such a lame story angle to take. Why the hell would anyone even want to clone them and send them to Fury 161? What would that conceivably achieve?
Clones would be equally as bas as the "it was all a dream" idea.
I'm hoping if they're going down the alternate sequel thing, it just ignores 3 and Resurrection and goes off to do its own thing.
They're just going to start another timeline from the end of Aliens. Simply put they'll be two parallel line of events after Aliens. The one where Alien³ and A|R happened and the one with the new Alien 5 movie heading off into another direction from the same starting point. Like one, like neither or love both; It's all up to you.
I really like the part about picking up Jonsey. Cat's probably live to 150 in they're time. Not counting hyper sleep time.
About that 4th human, maybe they find Shaw out in the void somewhere... this movie does take place after the Prometheus|A:C events. :P
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 27, 2016, 10:00:30 AM
They're just going to start another timeline from the end of Aliens. Simply put they'll be two parallel line of events after Aliens. The one where Alien³ and A|R happened and the one with the new Alien 5 movie heading off into another direction from the same starting point. Like one, like neither or love both; It's all up to you.
It's the only way to do it without being horribly contrived or hammy. It still makes me a little sad though as it makes the franchise a little too overtly comic booky for me. With alternate timelines and continuities and whatnot.
To be fair, all the "alternate timeline" talk will almost certainly be moot anyway - as soon as the new movie comes out, can anyone actually see them going back to the world of the older sequel films? Of course they won't. It'll just continue like they didn't happen.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 10:07:25 AM
To be fair, all the "alternate timeline" talk will almost certainly be moot anyway - as soon as the new movie comes out, can anyone actually see them going back to the world of the older sequel films? Of course they won't. It'll just continue like they didn't happen.
You mean in terms of sequels? Assuming 3.2 does well, I agree.
I think it's the fans that mostly care about that though. What are we supposed to do with our marathons, god damn it?! It's only a small issue to me but it's an annoyance. :laugh:
Quote from: Alienon. on Apr 27, 2016, 09:52:46 AM
Bishop is not a human. Fourth human - Hudson! He's alive! I always knew it! ;D
Given the context perhaps Ripley is pregnant (with child, not alien). A family of four.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 10:10:10 AMYou mean in terms of sequels? Assuming 3.2 does well, I agree.
Even if it didn't, I'd be
massively surprised if Fox ever put their hands up, admitted they'd messed up and went back to following the old series. I can't think of a single series where that's ever happened, no matter how shitty the attempted retcon/reboot.
If Blomkamp's movie
did somehow turn out to be so bad they don't want to do any sequels, it'll probably just make a reboot far more likely. And that would suck.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 10:10:10 AMI think it's the fans that mostly care about that though. What are we supposed to do with our marathons, god damn it?! It's only a small issue to me but it's an annoyance. :laugh:
You know I don't like the idea of Blomkamp retconning things. Largely for the reasons I've just stated. It'll essentially kill of the old second-half mythology, regardless of how it turns out.
I'm not 100% positive but I'm sure some horror franchises (Halloween?) and maybe even Godzilla has done that? Now I'll sound kind of snobby but I consider Alien superior to them so it bothers me that that is a possibility. I'm not sold on the idea of a retcon either.
However, if Alien 3.2 turns out to be good the reset might not be a terrible thing. It'll remove Alien Resurrection and that off-handed destruction of the old EU. It might open up a better universe for them to play in.
Quote from: J.T. on Apr 27, 2016, 08:56:42 AM
You missed the part where the audience BOOed "Prometheus 2" after she brought it up.
I have reffered to Ridley Scott as being Judas Iscariot to Neill Blomkamp Jesus.
Blomkamp was born to direct an ALIEN film and seeing the concept art of "ALIENS-2.0" being on-par with the ALIENS comics with a hint of his own dystopian signature, I was down for this.
Prometheus 2? With a $404 Million Box Office against a $130 Million budget I'm surprised 20th Century chose "dyed in the wool" Ridley rather than go with a new creative Director who could potentially bump the series to $1 Billion with the nostalgia that is Sigourney Weaver and Michael Biehn.
I'm not sure about this running parallel thing. Is it a time warp, a worm hole or what?
Even Halloween H2O, continued the story of the previous films (minus Season of the Witch of course), sure they retconned a tiny bit, but pretty much said everything else still happened. So why cant Alien 5/3.2/BlomkampVerse
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 10:51:11 AMI'm not 100% positive but I'm sure some horror franchises (Halloween?) and maybe even Godzilla has done that?
I'm fairly certain
Halloween was a continuous series until they did the remake/reboot. And the
Godzilla restarts have been just that - restarts. In fact they're a pretty relevant example - the 1984 film was an alternative sequel to the 1954 original. The '84 film then spawned its own line of sequels, none of which had any relation to the many sequels made between '54 and '84. The original series was essentially moved aside and left.
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Apr 27, 2016, 11:08:15 AMI'm not sure about this running parallel thing. Is it a time warp, a worm hole or what?.
I believe they will go with the "it was all a dream/nightmare" for ALIEN 3 and Resurrection or ALIENS 5 will just not acknowledge them.
Or maybe it will be like JJ Abrams (2009) STAR TREK where the timeline is disrupted so ALIEN 3 and Resurrection are "delayed" and Ripley experiences them later.
Both of which I really do not want. The scary thing is the nightmare thing would work - it's been a thing in Alien since the first film and ADF had professional "dreamers" whose dreams are recorded for entertainment.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 11:15:19 AM
I'm fairly certain Halloween was a continuous series until they did the remake/reboot. And the Godzilla restarts have been just that - restarts. In fact they're a pretty relevant example - the 1984 film was an alternative sequel to the 1954 original. The '84 film then spawned its own line of sequels, none of which had any relation to the many sequels made between '54 and '84. The original series was essentially moved aside and left.
Fair enough. I didn't really know.
Star Trek is an Alternate Reality i think. I believe they do state it in the film, so that the original films and shows post Enterprise do still happen but we are focusing on the reality that Nero caused.
I'd rather even that didnt happen in the Alien series. Its just the Blomkamp got the film because he posted pics he'd done basically saying here's what i would have done
It worked really well for Star Trek because of the concepts and history of the show. It wouldn't work for Alien.
My Thoughts exactly
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Apr 27, 2016, 11:16:05 AMOr maybe it will be like JJ Abrams (2009) STAR TREK where the timeline is disrupted so ALIEN 3 and Resurrection are "delayed" and Ripley experiences them later.
That's not what
Star Trek did at all. The earlier films won't happen after the new ones, when Spock and Nero went back in time they changed everything. The original films will no longer happen for the crew of the new movies.
And as Hicks said, time-travel shenanigans wouldn't translate well to
Alien.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 11:32:33 AM
That's not what Star Trek did at all. The earlier films won't happen after the new ones, when Spock and Nero went back in time they changed everything. The original films will no longer happen for the crew of the new movies.
*cough*Into Darkness*cough*
Not to derail the thread. :laugh:
Well, that's a good example actually. It was the same characters we've already seen but in completely new, incongruous scenarios.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 11:32:33 AM
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Apr 27, 2016, 11:16:05 AMOr maybe it will be like JJ Abrams (2009) STAR TREK where the timeline is disrupted so ALIEN 3 and Resurrection are "delayed" and Ripley experiences them later.
That's not what Star Trek did at all. The earlier films won't happen after the new ones, when Spock and Nero went back in time they changed everything. The original films will no longer happen for the crew of the new movies.
No they wont, but they still exist in the Original Reality i think. The characters from the Original series are still around (unless they get killed off screen lol), its just different now. Bring on Harry Mudd and Sybok
Always a bad idea to me. Ripley, Hicks and Newt are died.
I'm not against an Alien movie made by Blomkamp but something original please .
I am sad that the fans want to reboot the series. And reject Alien:Covenant. Fans are ungrateful .
I wouldn't say that. A lot of people feel very burned by Prometheus and don't want to give Ridley a chance to right his wrongs for fear of another failure.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 11:39:10 AM
I wouldn't say that. A lot of people feel very burned by Prometheus and don't want to give Ridley a chance to right his wrongs for fear of another failure.
I understand that, but the film Blomkamp seems even more delusional and harmful to the saga. Imagine if the result is worst than Fincher's Alien ? I really like Alien 3, iseems to me difficult to imagine a better end for Ripley, 'old" Ripley!
And Ridley has created the franchise, he is within his rights to deepen his universe.
Quote from: Stolen on Apr 27, 2016, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 11:39:10 AM
I wouldn't say that. A lot of people feel very burned by Prometheus and don't want to give Ridley a chance to right his wrongs for fear of another failure.
I understand that, but the film Blomkamp seems even more delusional and harmful to the saga. Imagine if the result is worst than Fincher's Alien ? I really like Alien 3, iseems to me difficult to imagine a better end for Ripley, 'old" Ripley!
And Ridley has created the franchise, he is within his rights to deepen his universe.
He visualisd the Franchise, he didnt create it
Quote from: Stolen on Apr 27, 2016, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 11:39:10 AM
I wouldn't say that. A lot of people feel very burned by Prometheus and don't want to give Ridley a chance to right his wrongs for fear of another failure.
I understand that, but the film Blomkamp seems even more delusional and harmful to the saga. Imagine if the result is worst than Fincher's Alien ? I really like Alien 3, iseems to me difficult to imagine a better end for Ripley, 'old" Ripley!
I'm not sold on it either. It needs to be better than Alien 3 to really be worth it in my opinion. But as I always do, I remain open minded and willing to see more concrete stuff.
QuoteAnd Ridley has created the franchise, he is within his rights to deepen his universe.
He was one of many men responsible for making Alien what it was.
http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/alien-5/254909/alien-5-sigourney-weaver-talks-ignoring-later-sequels-alien-covenant
Den of Geek has run an article on the Q&A too.
Quote"When Neill Blomkamp started to talk to me about the sequel to this movie [Aliens], I thought, 'Gosh, that would be so great to know that Ripley has a resting place, eventually.' And wouldn't it be great to end the series on—not that the other two didn't happen but they're in a parallel universe. I love them all [but] the filmmaker has to be inspired by what he is inspired by. And what he grew up with, and I think wore the tapes out of, were Alien 1 and Alien 2 in South Africa."
Running parallel to Alien 3?
I like the sound of that already. So we are getting an alternate continuity then?
The idea of multiple parallel universes really doesn't gel with the serious tone of the Alien series for me.
It's something best left to Star Trek and superhero comic books and all that other far-fetched, outlandish sci-fi.
As long as they don't acknowledge it in the films, it's not a massive problem.
When I get back from my job at Toys R Us, I really want to get into this but the idea we maybe getting an AU or a the least, an alternative continuity has me hopeful. So.. are we getting a legit AU or at least a divergent continuity?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 01:19:08 PMAs long as they don't acknowledge it in the films, it's not a massive problem.
Well if they aren't acknowledging it then it basically becomes fan-fiction, surely? Like I said, it's incredibly unlikely Fox will ever go back to the original universe and do anything more with it once there's been a split.
Depends on how you look at it. He's getting paid to do it for Fox so it's not really fanfiction. People might use the term fanwank but I don't want to judge yet. It's just...an alternate sequel with a new continuity, I guess. Hard to be sure of the implications at this point.
Oh, I didn't mean the new film would be fan-fiction. I meant any suggestion that the original third and fourth movies are somehow still happening in a Star Trek-style parallel universe would be.
By far this new concept art don't have the same repercussion of the first one he show on his instagram, we're talking about Weaver interview here, the Newt "concept art" don't even have 40 messages, you guys remember how many messages and attention got the first time Blomhack post the first concept arts from last year?.
This movie is dead until Fox say something official, Weaver trying us to convince this is the "most satisfying" ending, when Alien 3 got the right ending of her run as protagonist.
I think it just fits and makes so much sense thematically for Newt and Hicks to die, even in an unceremonious manner. This is an incredibly dark series about murderous alien rape monsters, why in god's name does anybody think "omgz the cute kid can't die!"
Disney mentality this days...
Great news all around! Mostly.
Run parallel? What does that even mean?
Parallel universes? Is that really the best he could do? ...Well, at least in that scenario Alien 3&4 remain canon. :-\
Fox, just do the obvious and set Alien 5 after Alien 4 in existing continuity.
Of course she won't say : "Well you know, the script is not great but, the salary is pretty good, and that won't be too exhausting at least."
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 27, 2016, 05:46:11 AM
Weaver, like Scott are both excellent corporate team players. I read it as nothing more than doing their part to sell the idea that this movie has potential but I doubt anything has really gotten off of the ground yet. If Covenant does well; then they'll move on this.
I think that including the Alien in Covenant, all but guarantees it's ticket sales. I hope the idea isn't to see whether the success of COVENANT could sway audience interest in a sequel with Sigourney in favor of the sequel to COVENANT.
I'm thinking that will never be the case, but maybe I'm just too big of a RIPLEY fan. Based on the audience last night, you'd think the whole world wants this and nothing else. Maybe FOX is being smart finally, and is thinking long term by writing the films with follow-ups in mind.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 11:15:19 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 10:51:11 AMI'm not 100% positive but I'm sure some horror franchises (Halloween?) and maybe even Godzilla has done that?
I'm fairly certain Halloween was a continuous series until they did the remake/reboot. And the Godzilla restarts have been just that - restarts. In fact they're a pretty relevant example - the 1984 film was an alternative sequel to the 1954 original. The '84 film then spawned its own line of sequels, none of which had any relation to the many sequels made between '54 and '84. The original series was essentially moved aside and left.
I am a Halloween fan, and I can tell you that a retcon, even before the reboot did happen. The events that transpire between Halloween 4 and Halloween 6 are effectively ignored in 1998's Halloween H20: 20 Years Later. Halloween: Resurrection continued from Halloween H20. Then we had Rob Zombie's reboot after that. All this proves is that films that end in "Resurrection" end the series. ;)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 07:56:49 AM
I think it's more indicative of what she's read in the script. Thanks for passing on the details and representing the AvPG community, Cain!
What I find interesting is the suggestion of that 4th person - Bishop, perhaps?
It was my pleasure. When she started talking Blomkamp's Alien-film - which, I guess, it's safe to STOP calling 'Alien 5', now - I was anxious to update you guys in real-time, because I was so excited. But I also needed to pay attn cause she seemed really excited to be talking about it.
As for Bishop - I don't know. And I want to be careful that I'm not misrepresenting her. Her delivery was, with baited breath, a "who knows maybe now it's four of them and they go back and get Jonesy..." I took that as maybe being Newt with someone else, possibly a love interest but there was no way to tell. Blomkamp shared that image of Newt yesterday... Maybe we will see one of Bishop soon. This is a great time to be an Alien-fan. Lots of stuff in the works.
One question I have is, wondering how much Fox has it's hands in things like this. For instance, I'm wondering if this event was produced entirely by Mondo and Alamo Drafthouse, or if say, Fox corresponded with Weaver about it. It would make more sense to me if this stuff was all subcontracted, but you'd think maybe Fox would touch base...I just don't know.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 11:23:15 AM
It worked really well for Star Trek because of the concepts and history of the show. It wouldn't work for Alien.
I agree. No time travel please. This is not the right universe for that sort of thing. If anything, let them be 2 alternate realities that can be continued and developed independently of each other, intersecting at the juncture of the first 2 Alien films. This would be unique. All the AVP and Predator films could fit into the Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection timeline, and prometheus, Covenant, Alien, Aliens, Alien 5 could be the other time line.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 11:33:42 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 11:32:33 AM
That's not what Star Trek did at all. The earlier films won't happen after the new ones, when Spock and Nero went back in time they changed everything. The original films will no longer happen for the crew of the new movies.
*cough*Into Darkness*cough*
Not to derail the thread. :laugh:
Lindelof. He can try to deflect all he wants, but the guy is a movie-ruiner. Khan again. His idea! He makes a mess and leaves. And now, who knows what we're going to get? Star Trek seems poised to give us Fast & Furious in Space. And Covenant... Look, all these long-running franchises are on their deathbeds. The exception: Disney is going to ram Star Wars down our throats for the next several years, even if Ep VII was a beat-for-beat Ep IV Redux. And people are going to slurp it up with a straw.
But Alien? This is do or die time with Covenant. Predator: Same thing. Prometheus was at least as much a black eye on the franchise as Resurrection. In that respect, I think Predators was much better. I'd have liked to see a sequel to that. I suppose the only real hope is, these movies get the Michael Bay effect going - The movies themselves are simply awful, but people go see them because they're so pretty. Money talks, and we somehow get to Transformers 5, Star Trek Beyond, Blomkamp's Alien 5, and all this other nonsense. Hey, that worked for Ep VII, too.
Yeah, fully expect Blomkamp's Alien 5 to be eye candy and garbage at the same time. It's like 20 years too late for that to work. And the more I see, the happier I am that Ripley, Newt and Hicks all died on Fury 161. Also, when shown these alternatives, I start to actually love Alien 3.
But it's all beyond our control. As with many things, it is what it is; and whatever happens, happens.
Cool. I'd be down for Lance reprising his role.
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Apr 27, 2016, 08:32:40 AM
Yeah, I'm thinking it's Bishop. The movie *HAS* to have him. So you'd have Ripley, Hicks, Newt and Bishop.
I'm still going with my theory that we'll find out the Ripley, Newt and Hicks we saw in Alien 3 were clones, thus Alien 3 and Resurrection still "counting" towards the franchise.
I'm not against this. But if they are going back to the space between 2 and 3, I'm only into if it's sort of an after-thought and its gonna be there, they should let fans draw the line to that - IF THEY WANT TO. If they make a big thing out of it, it will just seem really forced and risk cheapening the story. Ironically, I used to talk up Blomkamp as the one guy who could continue Ripley 8's story successfully, after seeing the themes of District 9 and the world of Elysium...
Its not hard to find a way to do this story wise - the reasons for cloning, I mean.
Have a Company ship dock with the Sulaco - they were always on their way, to bring the species back but kept it hush-hush because of the colony being MIA - then, they impregnate and clone Ripley to harvest more than one specimen, just as the rescue team arrives, and to cover up that they have the crew in stasis, they put the clones in the hypersleep chambers and mayhem ensues, and the Clones are jettisoned. Then the shady company people leave with the actual Ripley and Hicks in stasis, to bring them to Weyland Headquarters, without the rescue team knowing. Once they get there, more mayhem happens...
A buddy and I worked this out yesterday in a fan-fiction sequence that starts with a film version of Newt's Tale, and that leads to the above Sulaco-story, which links to Blomkamp's intended sequel (as I imagine it).
Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 27, 2016, 03:30:49 PMIts not hard to find a way to do this story wise. Have a Company ship dock with the Sulaco - they were always on their way, to bring the species back but kept it hush-hush because of the colony being MIA - they impregnate and clone Ripley to harvest more than one specimen - just as the rescue team arrives, and to cover up that they have the crew they put the clones in the hypersleep chambers and mayhem ensues, and the Clones are jettisoned, then the shady company people leave with the actual Ripley and Hicks in stasis, to bring them to Weyland Headquarters, without the rescue team knowing. Once they get there, more mayhem happens...
And where did they get these clones that are already exactly the same age as the survivors (not that they would've had any idea who'd actually survived until they got back onto the Sulaco at the end of the previous movie) on such short notice?
It makes no logical sense.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 09:59:12 AM
Quote from: Alienon. on Apr 27, 2016, 09:52:46 AM
Bishop is not a human. Fourth human - Hudson! He's alive! I always knew it! ;D
Aliens.5? :P
She doesn't say human though.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 09:49:32 AM
Quote from: LiquidMonster on Apr 27, 2016, 08:32:40 AMI'm still going with my theory that we'll find out the Ripley, Newt and Hicks we saw in Alien 3 were clones, thus Alien 3 and Resurrection still "counting" towards the franchise.
I really hope not. That would be such a lame story angle to take. Why the hell would anyone even want to clone them and send them to Fury 161? What would that conceivably achieve?
Clones would be equally as bas as the "it was all a dream" idea.
I'm hoping if they're going down the alternate sequel thing, it just ignores 3 and Resurrection and goes off to do its own thing.
I think so as well. Based on her comment about those films 'not being wiped out but running parallel' that was kinda the end all of that for me. There can always be something we don't know, that they don't WANT us to know, and I think how or whether it connects can also be used for marketing. Fox learned that well with PROMETHEUS.
Shes just saying that so the Alien 3 fans dont get upset.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 27, 2016, 10:00:30 AM
They're just going to start another timeline from the end of Aliens. Simply put they'll be two parallel line of events after Aliens. The one where Alien³ and A|R happened and the one with the new Alien 5 movie heading off into another direction from the same starting point. Like one, like neither or love both; It's all up to you.
I really like the part about picking up Jonsey. Cat's probably live to 150 in they're time. Not counting hyper sleep time.
About that 4th human, maybe they find Shaw out in the void somewhere... this movie does take place after the Prometheus|A:C events. :P
Wait. Hold on. Rumor control. She didn't say they pick up Jonesy. She said she imagines that after all is said and done the three, or MAYBE four of them now... Go back and get Jonesy... Heh.
Quote from: Buster Highman on Apr 27, 2016, 10:20:22 AM
Quote from: Alienon. on Apr 27, 2016, 09:52:46 AM
Bishop is not a human. Fourth human - Hudson! He's alive! I always knew it! ;D
Given the context perhaps Ripley is pregnant (with child, not alien). A family of four.
Its funny that you say this, because despite not having any real context apart from her talk about Ripley's daughter and her elevated relations with Hicks, I did get the idea somehow that she meant either another person we haven't met or a child. My gut has been wrong before.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 11:19:16 AM
Both of which I really do not want. The scary thing is the nightmare thing would work - it's been a thing in Alien since the first film and ADF had professional "dreamers" whose dreams are recorded for entertainment.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 11:15:19 AM
I'm fairly certain Halloween was a continuous series until they did the remake/reboot. And the Godzilla restarts have been just that - restarts. In fact they're a pretty relevant example - the 1984 film was an alternative sequel to the 1954 original. The '84 film then spawned its own line of sequels, none of which had any relation to the many sequels made between '54 and '84. The original series was essentially moved aside and left.
Fair enough. I didn't really know.
Are you familiar with the Enhancement Pod on the FURIOUS GODS Documentary where Ridley Scott explains that, in order to keep the brain functioning during hypersleep, they actually implant dreams of your choosing. I liked this. But what I can't stand about the dream thing (the alien franchise is not the only culprit) is that dreams do not occur in the 3rd person. You would not see yourself in the dream! Heh. That's kinda a pet-peeve that drives me up the wall. Haha.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 01:35:02 PM
Depends on how you look at it. He's getting paid to do it for Fox so it's not really fanfiction. People might use the term fanwank but I don't want to judge yet. It's just...an alternate sequel with a new continuity, I guess. Hard to be sure of the implications at this point.
Weaver seemed to make the point - and I think she said this before as well - that it's a proper ending and I suppose, I want that for the character. I think it would be best for everyone, if they come up with some POTENTIAL way to include ALIEN 3 and 4, if you want to.
Similar to the way PROMETHEUS kinda explains the DERELICT in ALIEN without explicitly saying what happened. An answer is there if you want to find it.
At the end of the day - I think saying "Wouldnt you want a proper ending?" is a valid point. The trouble is - in this case, I like Alien 3, but hate where A:R left off. So it's tricky for me. I have no problem with forgetting part 4, cause its a big mess.
This made me think of something else she said, last night.
She said (to paraphrase): "Scripts are always better when the director is the writer. And that writer has to take inspiration where it comes from for them." This was sorta more confirmation for me to think both, that the script is very good, and that she was making a plea for why the ending for Ripley and fans in this script is much better. She drew comparisons to ALIENS and ALIEN by stating it was very similar to those scripts, because both had (for the most part) been written on spec, and not by the studio, deliberately producing a script.
She seems very confident in it and sort of as if she already considers it the character's ultimate fate, in her mind.
Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 27, 2016, 03:11:29 PM
One question I have is, wondering how much Fox has it's hands in things like this. For instance, I'm wondering if this event was produced entirely by Mondo and Alamo Drafthouse, or if say, Fox corresponded with Weaver about it. It would make more sense to me if this stuff was all subcontracted, but you'd think maybe Fox would touch base...I just don't know.
Most likely it was entirely a Mondo and Alamo Drafthouse thing. There's probably some kind of complot between her and Blomkamp though, I doubt Fox had anything to do with Weaver's recent statements or Blomkamp's picture of Newt. It's as if they're deliberately stoking people up again.
Wonder what this "something else" was that she just wrapped with Blomkamp? Can't be Chappie, that was ages ago. Maybe a short film or some kind of promotional clip for Alien 5? Blomkamp is well known for his virals.
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Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 27, 2016, 03:30:49 PMIts not hard to find a way to do this story wise. Have a Company ship dock with the Sulaco - they were always on their way, to bring the species back but kept it hush-hush because of the colony being MIA - they impregnate and clone Ripley to harvest more than one specimen - just as the rescue team arrives, and to cover up that they have the crew they put the clones in the hypersleep chambers and mayhem ensues, and the Clones are jettisoned, then the shady company people leave with the actual Ripley and Hicks in stasis, to bring them to Weyland Headquarters, without the rescue team knowing. Once they get there, more mayhem happens...
And where did they get these clones that are already exactly the same age as the survivors (not that they would've had any idea who'd actually survived until they got back onto the Sulaco at the end of the previous movie) on such short notice?
It makes no logical sense.
Well, this is a very, very SCI-FI scenario. I don't especially like that CLONES would grow faster than normal, but I think A:R sorta makes that assumption, already. Are we to believe those clones grew at the same rate as normal humans? I don't think so? Because then the events in A:R would have taken 30+ years to transpire. I didn't get that idea.
So the idea would have to exploit the amount of time between Aliens and Alien 3. They said 17 days for rescue team, but the team would have, arguably gone to LV426 first... I dunno dude. It's just an idea. Im not attached to it, whatsoever.
The fact is: this seems like the direction. I doubt there will be any 'hammy' cloning stuff - as CORPORAL HICKS put it. There will likely just be a retcon.
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Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 27, 2016, 03:11:29 PM
One question I have is, wondering how much Fox has it's hands in things like this. For instance, I'm wondering if this event was produced entirely by Mondo and Alamo Drafthouse, or if say, Fox corresponded with Weaver about it. It would make more sense to me if this stuff was all subcontracted, but you'd think maybe Fox would touch base...I just don't know.
Most likely it was entirely a Mondo and Alamo Drafthouse thing. There's probably some kind of complot between her and Blomkamp though, I doubt Fox had anything to do with Weaver's recent statements or Blomkamp's picture of Newt. It's as if they're deliberately stoking people up again.
Wonder what this "something else" was that she just wrapped with Blomkamp? Can't be Chappie, that was ages ago. Maybe a short film or some kind of promotional clip for Alien 5? Blomkamp is well known for his virals.
Yes. There is nothing on imdb.com about anything he is, or was shooting in South Africa. But whatever it is Weaver says, "...is AWESOME!" But she can't talk about it.
Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 27, 2016, 04:10:45 PM
Yes. There is nothing on imdb.com about anything he is, or was shooting in South Africa. But whatever it is Weaver says, "...is AWESOME!" But she can't talk about it.
I see he posted some pictures of Johannesburg on his Instagram about 3 or 4 weeks ago, including a landfill site, a building from Chappie and this (https://www.instagram.com/p/BDZnOlqqhEs/?taken-by=neillblomkamp (https://www.instagram.com/p/BDZnOlqqhEs/?taken-by=neillblomkamp)) which is apparently the airport train station and not a set from Aliens according to the comments.
What could he be cooking up?
He's meant to be working on something else in the interim, so there's a good chance it's for that.
Yeah well, it has to be something small because as CainsSon said, it's completely below the radar.
Don't think it's Gone World or District 10 or anything like that.
If it
is an alternative reality, I don't think such a concept would be as incompatible as many do. We've never seen how long-range space travel functions in this continuity. It might well be very '
Star Trek'-like, for all we know.
There was a great musical track written for '
Aliens':
It was never used (strangely, it did turn up in '
Die Hard'), but the title for it certainly implies the Sulaco might have originally been planned to go into some sort of futuristic warping effect when leaving for Earth (it seems to segue into the melody we hear when Ripley is putting Newt to sleep, which implies it would have happened immediately before that scene).
In fact, it would bring a little smile to my face if something along those lines were to happen and they included that section of music for it as a tribute to the now-late James Horner.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 11:55:12 AM
He was one of many men responsible for making Alien what it was.
Absolutely. You understand me I was talking about him and his incredible artistic team.
But lead such an enterprise requires a great captain, and Ridley Scott is a great leader.
Why I think his contribution is more important? Because his talent has allowed this project to become a reality.
I remember but you already know. The budget was $ 4 million for Alien. After the ridleygrams, he doubled and tripled to finish at $12M.
He initiated the saga and remarkably, so I think he deserves a little respect from the fans.
Prometheus, great or no, had the laudable intention to deepen this universe. I understand that the fans want to see the dead characters of Aliens, but Covenant announces something bigger and interesting for our favorite universe.
Anyway,this preparation time is a blessing for Blomkamp, he must offer something really solid to dare to reinvent Ripley adventures.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 11:55:12 AM
He was one of many men responsible for making Alien what it was.
Absolutely. You understand me I was talking about him and his incredible artistic team.
But lead such an enterprise requires a great captain, and Ridley Scott is a great leader.
Why I think his contribution is more important? Because his talent has allowed this project to become a reality.
I remember but you already know. The budget was $ 4 million for Alien. After the ridleygrams, he doubled and tripled to finish at $12M.
He initiated the saga and remarkably, so I think he deserves a little respect from the fans.
Prometheus, great or no, had the laudable intention to deepen this universe. I understand that the fans want to see the dead characters of Aliens, but Covenant announces something bigger and interesting for our favorite universe.
Anyway,this preparation time is a blessing for Blomkamp, he must offer something really solid to dare to reinvent Ripley adventures.
Yes, we are literally getting the best of both worlds here. I mean we literally get to explore the mystery of the Engineers first, and then we get an alternate Ripley story. Ripley's adventure does not negate what Ridley Scott is doing. Perfect!
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 05:22:26 PMWe've never seen how long-range space travel functions in this continuity. It might well be very 'Star Trek'-like, for all we know.
But as a concept that just doesn't fit the more realistic world presented by the films. The sci-fi in the
Alien movies is almost incidental. Sure they take place in space in the future, but the tech on display is very grounded. If we suddenly start having
Star Trek parallel universes and such, it just wouldn't gel.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 05:22:26 PMWe've never seen how long-range space travel functions in this continuity. It might well be very 'Star Trek'-like, for all we know.
But as a concept that just doesn't fit the more realistic world presented by the films. The sci-fi in the Alien movies is almost incidental. Sure they take place in space in the future, but the tech on display is very grounded. If we suddenly start having Star Trek parallel universes and such, it just wouldn't gel.
I agree. Either retcon it like a man, or don't do it at all.
Alternate reality made easy.
The reason the jocks look mega different in Prom is that this is another dimension and in that universe we had Alien 3 and Res.
The "Prime Universe" hasnt actually seen a third Alien story and this is where Neil's movie pops in.
Maybe we learn that the Aliens are some kinda crazy lifeform that infest and destroys realities. That would move the Aliens back from bugs to crazy unknown things.
The Engineers are key to making a multiverse work in the Alien series. They are the perfect plot device to establish that a multiverse exists and provide a means to traverse it. I'm thinking that they could be analogous to the Builders from Jonathan Hickman's run on the Avengers: http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Builders_(Race) (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Builders_(Race))
the Builders are the oldest race in existence and they travel throughout the multiverse seeding planets with life then return several millennia later and judge that life. If it fails their test they exterminate the entire race. Sounds very familiar and it would fit in with what we saw in Prometheus, yes?
I also remember a section of the script for Prometheus where the Engineers were described as having (I'm paraphrasing here) "evolved past the point of needing genders and could see other dimensions" and whatnot. If they were to have a parallel universe where Blompkamp's film takes place then this is how they should do it.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 06:54:43 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 05:22:26 PMWe've never seen how long-range space travel functions in this continuity. It might well be very 'Star Trek'-like, for all we know.
But as a concept that just doesn't fit the more realistic world presented by the films. The sci-fi in the Alien movies is almost incidental. Sure they take place in space in the future, but the tech on display is very grounded. If we suddenly start having Star Trek parallel universes and such, it just wouldn't gel.
I agree. Either retcon it like a man, or don't do it at all.
I agree cause I think any attempt to make this fit in realistically will be hamfisted. Make a nod to something maybe, like I said before. Similar to the way Prometheus suggests a connection to Alien but it never comes out of the dark. Otherwise, dont mention it at all.
Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 27, 2016, 08:03:31 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 06:54:43 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 05:22:26 PMWe've never seen how long-range space travel functions in this continuity. It might well be very 'Star Trek'-like, for all we know.
But as a concept that just doesn't fit the more realistic world presented by the films. The sci-fi in the Alien movies is almost incidental. Sure they take place in space in the future, but the tech on display is very grounded. If we suddenly start having Star Trek parallel universes and such, it just wouldn't gel.
I agree. Either retcon it like a man, or don't do it at all.
I agree cause I think any attempt to make this fit in realistically will be hamfisted. Make a nod to something maybe, like I said before. Similar to the way Prometheus suggests a connection to Alien but it never comes out of the dark. Otherwise, dont mention it at all.
Yes, have Ripley say "I had a bad dream I lost my hair" in a tongue in cheek way and be done with it. One line. No elaborate justification for the dream sequence. Go the Marvel / Deadpool route and make a joke of it, and move on.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 05:22:26 PMWe've never seen how long-range space travel functions in this continuity. It might well be very 'Star Trek'-like, for all we know.
But as a concept that just doesn't fit the more realistic world presented by the films. The sci-fi in the Alien movies is almost incidental. Sure they take place in space in the future, but the tech on display is very grounded. If we suddenly start having Star Trek parallel universes and such, it just wouldn't gel.
That's my view, though. It
shouldn't fit well, but the means by which it could come about is really unexplored territory. We don't know how ships are meant to traverse these enormous distances so quickly. If it
does involve some kind of warping/hyperspace effect, then if it's really just down to execution. It could be very '
Warhammer'-like, with Lovecraftian spookiness hidden in 'the warp', just waiting to be found... I believe O'Bannon felt that way about LV-426, in general. He felt it was meant to have been a fragment from the world of some ancient cosmic gods. I could totally see zones of space with missing ships in it being treated like the Bermuda Triangle. '
Babylon 5' did something similar and it worked fairly well.
There are all sorts of ways to bring various elements of that into it (to greater or lesser degrees), but the bottom line is that some kind of dimensional rifting/breaching
could fit the continuity better than we're all thinking.
I mean, just look at '
Event Horizon'. I'm not expecting it to be on that level, but that's a film which very much feels like it
could fit into the '
Alien' series. The kinds of characters, the way they react, talk and even dress... It's clearly influenced very strongly by our series. Yet, that handles dimensional breaching in a way which feels plausible when you're watching it.
It's not the kind of plot device I'd favour, personally, but I'm not going to assume it couldn't be done right.
And if that means we get Sean Pertwee as a gruff Colonial Marine, I'm all for it! ;D
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 08:19:15 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 05:22:26 PMWe've never seen how long-range space travel functions in this continuity. It might well be very 'Star Trek'-like, for all we know.
But as a concept that just doesn't fit the more realistic world presented by the films. The sci-fi in the Alien movies is almost incidental. Sure they take place in space in the future, but the tech on display is very grounded. If we suddenly start having Star Trek parallel universes and such, it just wouldn't gel.
That's my view, though. It shouldn't fit well, but the means by which it could come about is really unexplored territory. We don't know how ships are meant to traverse these enormous distances so quickly. If it does involve some kind of warping/hyperspace effect, then if it's really just down to execution. It could be very 'Warhammer'-like, with Lovecraftian spookiness hidden in 'the warp', just waiting to be found... I believe O'Bannon felt that way about LV-426, in general. He felt it was meant to have been a fragment from the world of some ancient cosmic gods. I could totally see zones of space with missing ships in it being treated like the Bermuda Triangle. 'Babylon 5' did something similar and it worked fairly well.
There are all sorts of ways to bring various elements of that into it (to greater or lesser degrees), but the bottom line is that some kind of dimensional rifting/breaching could fit the continuity better than we're all thinking.
I mean, just look at 'Event Horizon'. I'm not expecting it to be on that level, but that's a film which very much feels like it could fit into the 'Alien' series. The kinds of characters, the way they react, talk and even dress... It's clearly influenced very strongly by our series. Yet, that handles dimensional breaching in a way which feels plausible when you're watching it.
It's not the kind of plot device I'd favour, personally, but I'm not going to assume it couldn't be done right.
And if that means we get Sean Pertwee as a gruff Colonial Marine, I'm all for it! ;D
Well it's good food for thought, and Event Horizon certainly was very successful at what it did. I loved that film and it was highly reminiscent of Aliens. but personally, I would not want that sort of thing to be a part of the Alien reality. Its about alien monsters in space. Now if we find that Engineers do some sort of time warping somehow, it would be interesting, but we should never acquire that technology I don't think. That way we could just hit rewind and Alien and Aliens didn't happen. Those are the two most beloved films in the series and I would say they are the core. If you lose those, the whole thing unravels....
...But maybe the Engineers worship something that they find out there in fold-space? Could be good, just fraught with all sorts of all sorts of potential pitfalls that could derail a tenuously balanced franchise.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 08:19:15 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 05:22:26 PMWe've never seen how long-range space travel functions in this continuity. It might well be very 'Star Trek'-like, for all we know.
But as a concept that just doesn't fit the more realistic world presented by the films. The sci-fi in the Alien movies is almost incidental. Sure they take place in space in the future, but the tech on display is very grounded. If we suddenly start having Star Trek parallel universes and such, it just wouldn't gel.
That's my view, though. It shouldn't fit well, but the means by which it could come about is really unexplored territory. We don't know how ships are meant to traverse these enormous distances so quickly. If it does involve some kind of warping/hyperspace effect, then if it's really just down to execution. It could be very 'Warhammer'-like, with Lovecraftian spookiness hidden in 'the warp', just waiting to be found... I believe O'Bannon felt that way about LV-426, in general. He felt it was meant to have been a fragment from the world of some ancient cosmic gods. I could totally see zones of space with missing ships in it being treated like the Bermuda Triangle. 'Babylon 5' did something similar and it worked fairly well.
There are all sorts of ways to bring various elements of that into it (to greater or lesser degrees), but the bottom line is that some kind of dimensional rifting/breaching could fit the continuity better than we're all thinking.
I mean, just look at 'Event Horizon'. I'm not expecting it to be on that level, but that's a film which very much feels like it could fit into the 'Alien' series. The kinds of characters, the way they react, talk and even dress... It's clearly influenced very strongly by our series. Yet, that handles dimensional breaching in a way which feels plausible when you're watching it.
It's not the kind of plot device I'd favour, personally, but I'm not going to assume it couldn't be done right.
And if that means we get Sean Pertwee as a gruff Colonial Marine, I'm all for it! ;D
I think you may be interested in the new Rage War books, because they sort of explore this stuff.
Spoiler
It mentions a multiverse as well, but it doesn't explicitly state "Earth *insert number* is in universe *insert number*", it leaves it vague. For all we know, "multiverse" could mean universes linked to ours such as "hyperspace" and other interdimensional shortcuts that humans use to achieve FTL travel as well as communication.
And there's these giant circular "dropholes" humans build which bend time and space itself to let you get many lightyears in an instant. Humans still need to use cryo-pods because we physically and mentally cannot handle the "dimension bending". Dropholes use dark-matter and anti-matter science to be able to function as such and are extremely risky to make because if you do it wrong... well... like in actual science, when anti-matter collides with matter... real explodey things happen.
There is also actual FTL but that's extremely resource taxing and costly. And also drives you insane if you don't get into a pod in time because during the FTL, your mind will "experience hundreds of thousands of years of nothingness".
I'd love to see FTL stuff actually explored in the films. We never saw a ship warp or people discuss the effects of it like in the books.
I have no issue with Lance returning. I would love to see him get involved.
Quote from: marrerom on Apr 27, 2016, 07:51:53 PM
The Engineers are key to making a multiverse work in the Alien series. They are the perfect plot device to establish that a multiverse exists and provide a means to traverse it. I'm thinking that they could be analogous to the Builders from Jonathan Hickman's run on the Avengers: http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Builders_(Race) (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Builders_(Race))
the Builders are the oldest race in existence and they travel throughout the multiverse seeding planets with life then return several millennia later and judge that life. If it fails their test they exterminate the entire race. Sounds very familiar and it would fit in with what we saw in Prometheus, yes?
I also remember a section of the script for Prometheus where the Engineers were described as having (I'm paraphrasing here) "evolved past the point of needing genders and could see other dimensions" and whatnot. If they were to have a parallel universe where Blompkamp's film takes place then this is how they should do it.
The Builders are a straight rip-off of the Celestials.
Anyway, i wouldn't give them that much power. I would just have them like they are now. Super smart and they probably encountered the Alien a long time ago and studied them but them lost control.
Maybe have them like the Forerunners in Halo games.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Apr 27, 2016, 09:04:33 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Apr 27, 2016, 07:51:53 PM
The Engineers are key to making a multiverse work in the Alien series. They are the perfect plot device to establish that a multiverse exists and provide a means to traverse it. I'm thinking that they could be analogous to the Builders from Jonathan Hickman's run on the Avengers: http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Builders_(Race) (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Builders_(Race))
the Builders are the oldest race in existence and they travel throughout the multiverse seeding planets with life then return several millennia later and judge that life. If it fails their test they exterminate the entire race. Sounds very familiar and it would fit in with what we saw in Prometheus, yes?
I also remember a section of the script for Prometheus where the Engineers were described as having (I'm paraphrasing here) "evolved past the point of needing genders and could see other dimensions" and whatnot. If they were to have a parallel universe where Blompkamp's film takes place then this is how they should do it.
The Builders are a straight rip-off of the Celestials.
Anyway, i wouldn't give them that much power. I would just have them like they are now. Super smart and they probably encountered the Alien a long time ago and studied them but them lost control.
Maybe have them like the Forerunners in Halo games.
Yeah, this is how I see the Engineers as well personally. This ancient and advanced race who came before us and created us. They're just a very intelligent and advanced alien race.
http://www.latino-review.com/news/first-official-photo-from-alien-covenant-arrives-and-weaver-comments-on-alien-5 (http://www.latino-review.com/news/first-official-photo-from-alien-covenant-arrives-and-weaver-comments-on-alien-5)
man this sounds so amazing i actually cannot wait
it's like all our wishes will come true
of all the crying about the way alien 3 went to actually see hicks newt ripley ( ALIVE and together) well i never saw this day coming
and my god am i excited !
I know alot people are debating on what the movie should be but i am just going to see it when it comes out to see if its good or not. Then I will judge. We all been through alot in the years and I understand everyone is stressed and expressing different opinions but I am going to go to theater open minded.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 11:15:19 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2016, 10:51:11 AMI'm not 100% positive but I'm sure some horror franchises (Halloween?) and maybe even Godzilla has done that?
I'm fairly certain Halloween was a continuous series until they did the remake/reboot. And the Godzilla restarts have been just that - restarts. In fact they're a pretty relevant example - the 1984 film was an alternative sequel to the 1954 original. The '84 film then spawned its own line of sequels, none of which had any relation to the many sequels made between '54 and '84. The original series was essentially moved aside and left.
Or how about James Bond?
Judi Dench's M character was in both the Pierce Bronson universe (mid 90s post Soviet/Cold War universe) AND Daniel Craig's re-booted (mid 2000s post 9/11) Casino Royale despite meeting at bond at different time frames and two different universes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M_%28James_Bond%29#Judi_Dench:_1995.E2.80.932012_and_2015
Didn't Ridley Scott say at some point- that his new Alien Films would somehow connect with Ripley in an unforeseen way? I picked it up somewhere on this site. What if- I know its a little crazy, but what if it is not only the orginal Alien, that is at the end of Scotts new films.
By expanding the universe- and the engineers- maybe it could somehow pave the way for an Alien 5, that runs parallel to Alien 3 and 4- and yet still exists in the same universe?
What if the engineers clone all three of them? Newt, Hicks and Ripley? Or they change history? Maybe the events of Alien Covenant somehow change the history of the original future timeline.
Its the engineers man- they made us! Maybe they have some time warping stuff! Or maybe Ripley was also made!
Maybe the whole human race is just something like rats they test out against the aliens. Which are in my opinion the absolute antithesis to human life, and life in general. Aliens man- they are the dark anti life- once you encounter them they drain away everything, there gravity destroy everything, your life, even decades later- and you will be having nightmares and death. And sexuality will scare you as well problably.
Now what if- the whole Alien Quatrilogy was just a test run? The engineers tested how humans nad Ripley would fare against the Aliens. Maybe the first derelict was just bait!!!
And now the engineers are not happy with how it all turnede out- and they just re-run it! Somehow they intervene with events after Aliens and alter it- change conditions.
Maybe Alien Covenant somehow hints at how they would do it. I know it sounds of the hook but- they could make it in a cool way I am sure.
There is still so much to explore with the engineers- and there relationship to the aliens and humans- their concepts of time, their Agenda- at this point, everything is possible.
I am sure Blonkamp and Scott had some talks- since Scott is going first- but still producing Blomkamps project.
Maybe they worked out something. I just still find it awkward if they would just scrap Alien 3 and 4- since the orginal Quadrilogy is such a legacy in it self. Even if 3 and 4 chose a different path- I love them because of that. Aliens was also different, Alien is always reinterpreted- and yet- new aspects were added but the basic conflict and questions were always the same. And they are all bad ass man.
So- Alien 5 in the style of Aliens- totally uninteresting in my opnion. No this needs to be something new and crazy again. Thats also what I love about Prometheus. Were it might have dissappointed in some ways- I think it excels on opnening up the whole universe beyond what it was. I know there is too many questions unanswered- but me and my friends- we love it because now we can theorize again like in the old days. There is not many big movies like that anymore.
This is probably pointless asking this question, but she claims that it won't wipe out Alien3 and Alien Resurrection, but run parallel with them. I mean if it doesn't retcon 3 and 4 how else can the three of them will be back? Is there a suitable or logical explanation on how to bring them back without cloning or something? Maybe they'll take their charred remains and put them in a med-bed like in Elysium, in that movie a guy's entire face was blown off and they brought him back to life. I'm being funny of course.
I doubt thered be any charred corpses that could be pulled out of molten lead. As for this "satisfying" ending, well by this point, i bet it'll end with Ripley marrying hicks, Newt is the maid of honor and Jonesy was actually a female who surprises us with kittens after the gang has defeated the only source of aliens on LV-426. Oh yeah, the fourth person is a xeno the gang saved and is now a pet and the ring bearer at the wedding. Thats what the Aliens fanboys want. That being said, if anything, THIS movie is the dream sequence Ripley has between Aliens and Alien 3. Think about it, its set after Aliens and has a satisfying ending. Ripley Newt and Hicks are a team fighting and seemingly destroying the Alien threat. Sounds like a dream Rip would have after killing the Alien queen and saving/adopting Newt and finally going to live a normal life on earth. I wonder if the movie will end with a bright flash like total recall...
Why does everyone always think that Ripley and Hicks get together and adopt Newt? I like the idea of them being alive, but that idea of Ripley and Hicks getting married is the farthest from my mind. I mean, Ripley can adopt Newt, but why do Ripley and Hicks have to get married? I don't even like the idea of Ripley being romantically involved with anyone, it bothered me that she slept with that doctor in 3. I feel her being romantically involved diminishes her independent feminism.
I once had the idea of them cloning Newt by accident because they mistaken her DNA for Ripley's, which is feasible. It would be even harder to clone Hicks, because you can tell if DNA was male or female yes?
Oh wait, I just noticed what she said about Ripley and Hicks' "relationship." But still, does that really mean they get together? Why can't they just be friends?
Quote from: Number13 on Apr 28, 2016, 03:00:28 AM
Why does everyone always think that Ripley and Hicks get together and adopt Newt? I like the idea of them being alive, but that idea of Ripley and Hicks getting married is the farthest from my mind. I mean, Ripley can adopt Newt, but why do Ripley and Hicks have to get married? I don't even like the idea of Ripley being romantically involved with anyone, it bothered me that she slept with that doctor in 3. I feel her being romantically involved diminishes her independent feminism.
I once had the idea of them cloning Newt by accident because they mistaken her DNA for Ripley's, which is feasible. It would be even harder to clone Hicks, because you can tell if DNA was male or female yes?
You could see a really sweet and completely unexpected kind of love developing between Hicks and Ripley in Aliens, which implies that they may get together in the future and try to find happiness in an otherwise bleak world. Will there be divorce down the road? Who knows? I think there is a shared pain, and experience that has permanently bonded these people. Once they get away from LV-426, they will realize that they share something terrible that nobody else will EVER understand. It will bind them together, and sometimes tear them apart.
The idea that if Ripley is romantically involved with someone, it somehow diminishes her independent feminism is absurd. Has feminism become another word for hermit? Is she not allowed to have feelings for someone else because of a political agenda? A hetero-sexual relationship does not have to imply that the male is dominating the female. That's a sexist assertion. Ripley and Hicks found their match in each other. They're both strong people who have their heads on straight. They're equals. You're equating feminism with some sort of selfishness and self-centrism which puts feminism on its head. That's not what its about. It's about equality not superiority.
I've posted too much on this page so this will be my last.
It just bothers me when people say that. Every time I've pitched the idea of Ripley, Newt, and Hicks surviving Aliens instead of dying, they go, "Oh sure, maybe Ripley and Hicks get married and adopt Newt and become one big happy family." Just really irks me, because I never thought about that, I even wrote a trilogy of fan fictions and the first thing I did was make Ripley missing after Aliens. Like the Verheiden comic books, which were a big inspiration for me, I had her be MIA and then returns in the 3rd and final.
Quote from: Number13 on Apr 28, 2016, 03:34:15 AM
I've posted too much on this page so this will be my last.
It just bothers me when people say that. Every time I've pitched the idea of Ripley, Newt, and Hicks surviving Aliens instead of dying, they go, "Oh sure, maybe Ripley and Hicks get married and adopt Newt and become one big happy family." Just really irks me, because I never thought about that, I even wrote a trilogy of fan fictions and the first thing I did was make Ripley missing after Aliens. Like the Verheiden comic books, which were a big inspiration for me, I had her be MIA and then returns in the 3rd and final.
I also loved the Verheiden series. But it is clear that while Ripley was developing some sort of love for that new adopted family of hers, she abandoned them because of that love. She did not want to put them at any more risk. I'm not saying that marriage is the answer for Hicks and Ripley. You could tell that they already shared a love and an understanding that many couples just never get to have. Maybe that is all that would come of it. But Hicks really came across as a classy guy and I bet by the way he reacted over Burke, he would never allow anything to happen to Ripley and Newt. It amazes me how that sort of love is so dismissible these days.
If this is an alternate universe which branches off from ALIENS, or at the very least which is an alternate continuity-- then it sort of confirms what I have been saying in regards to the films, and bits and parts of the EU for the last couple of years. And I'm quite enthusiastic about it assuming that we take Neill Blomkamp's statement of not undoing Alien 3 and Resurrection, and if Weaver's word is anything to go by... well then, this is something which makes me quite happy as a fan and I can see this movie for what it is... An AU. I know quite a lot of people are not at all happy with this, but you know, for me this definitely removes six years of anger and frustration towards the franchises, and I can let this go where it's going.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 03:14:26 PM
I agree. No time travel please. This is not the right universe for that sort of thing. If anything, let them be 2 alternate realities that can be continued and developed independently of each other, intersecting at the juncture of the first 2 Alien films. This would be unique. All the AVP and Predator films could fit into the Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection timeline, and prometheus, Covenant, Alien, Aliens, Alien 5 could be the other time line.
I don't think we're going to be getting anything like Time Travel or Inter-dimensional Portals which would breach universes as far as this movie is concerned. If anything, it's probably going to be doing what either Highlander III: The Sorcerer, Godzilla 1985, and Halloween H20 did for the Alien franchise by just ignoring what came before it. Now as far as Highlander and Godzilla are concerned, none of the powers that be have said that the previous sequels which came before were rendered out of canon. These franchises allow their fans to pick and choose what they want. That's what I like about this decision, we can pick and choose what we want and follow the universe in question... and no one would say that's non-canon anymore.
In the case of AVP and the Predator films, well in the case of the AVP films.. according to Tristan Jones, those are somehow still canon and still on Fox's canon list. So it's not unreasonable for them to actually be lumped in with Alien 3 and Resurrection. As for the Predator films... I can see Predator and Predator 2 fitting the beginning of both timelines, but PREDATORS would more or less fit in with the new timeline which is currently going on due to Fire and Stone utilizing some of the Super Predator concepts. Shane's movie on the other hand... that's going to be tricky as Shane seems to be doing his own thing with that. For all we know, it could be entirely it's own thing.
I like the idea that we've got two timelines... I like where this could potentially be going.
Unpopular opinion but... I'm happy with this. I'm generally at peace with this.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 28, 2016, 04:23:59 AM
If this is an alternate universe which branches off from ALIENS, or at the very least which is an alternate continuity-- then it sort of confirms what I have been saying in regards to the films, and bits and parts of the EU for the last couple of years. And I'm quite enthusiastic about it assuming that we take Neill Blomkamp's statement of not undoing Alien 3 and Resurrection, and if Weaver's word is anything to go by... well then, this is something which makes me quite happy as a fan and I can see this movie for what it is... An AU. I know quite a lot of people are not at all happy with this, but you know, for me this definitely removes six years of anger and frustration towards the franchises, and I can let this go where it's going.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 03:14:26 PM
I agree. No time travel please. This is not the right universe for that sort of thing. If anything, let them be 2 alternate realities that can be continued and developed independently of each other, intersecting at the juncture of the first 2 Alien films. This would be unique. All the AVP and Predator films could fit into the Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection timeline, and prometheus, Covenant, Alien, Aliens, Alien 5 could be the other time line.
I don't think we're going to be getting anything like Time Travel or Inter-dimensional Portals which would breach universes as far as this movie is concerned. If anything, it's probably going to be doing what either Highlander III: The Sorcerer, Godzilla 1985, and Halloween H20 did for the Alien franchise by just ignoring what came before it. Now as far as Highlander and Godzilla are concerned, none of the powers that be have said that the previous sequels which came before were rendered out of canon. These franchises allow their fans to pick and choose what they want. That's what I like about this decision, we can pick and choose what we want and follow the universe in question... and no one would say that's non-canon anymore.
In the case of AVP and the Predator films, well in the case of the AVP films.. according to Tristan Jones, those are somehow still canon and still on Fox's canon list. So it's not unreasonable for them to actually be lumped in with Alien 3 and Resurrection. As for the Predator films... I can see Predator and Predator 2 fitting the beginning of both timelines, but PREDATORS would more or less fit in with the new timeline which is currently going on due to Fire and Stone utilizing some of the Super Predator concepts. Shane's movie on the other hand... that's going to be tricky as Shane seems to be doing his own thing with that. For all we know, it could be entirely it's own thing.
I like the idea that we've got two timelines... I like where this could potentially be going.
Unpopular opinion but... I'm happy with this. I'm generally at peace with this.
I agree. And the reason why I lump AVP in with Alien 3 timelines is that we have Charles Weyland and Charles Bishop Weyland as a limk. It just makes sense.
To be honest, I agree- I also think time travel is not fitting into the Alien Universe. And yet- you could still do something interesting if you create an alternate route, without retconning. I mean sure it worked with Godzilla but I really would like for it to all fit together. I don't wanna lose the joy of watching the films in one go. I don't wanna switch realities in my head.
So how about the idea that, Ripley existed before Alien 1? Like she is actually a product of the engineers.Now- after the Escape Pod from the Sulaco hits Fury 161, the engineers put another one in!
Along with replacements of Newt and Hicks. Just two see how an alternate scenario would play out. They compare what happens with Ripley on Fury- and in the Alien 5 scenario. They survey both and compare. Studiying humans and their interaction with the Aliens.
Hehe look- anybody knows where I can publish Alien Fan Fiction? Is there a site where people actually read this stuff? I would love to write one ;D
For the Canon question- I don't think there are any contradictions at this point.
If I watch Predator 1&2, then Predators, then AvP 1&2, then Prometheus, Alien, then I will listen too the audio book from Out of the Shadows- play Alien Isolation, read River of Pain, watch Aliens, read Fire and Stone Aliens, Prometheus, AvP, Predator in that order, play AvP on PS3 (even though not Canon), watch Alien 3, Alien 4 and then read Sea of Sorrows, before going into the Rage Wars- oh boy- perfect Holiday Season. Alien Covenant, The Predator and Alien 5- the have to fit in there neatly somehow.
I mean I am reading Alien Omnibus right now- and I can switch realities in my mind. Its a good read- but at this point, its more like a filler until the next Rage Wars releases. I just don't want Alien 5 to feel the same way.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 05:22:26 PM
It was never used (strangely, it did turn up in 'Die Hard'), but the title for it certainly implies the Sulaco might have originally been planned to go into some sort of futuristic warping effect when leaving for Earth (it seems to segue into the melody we hear when Ripley is putting Newt to sleep, which implies it would have happened immediately before that scene).
It does sound quite bombastic to start with. And some Star Trek movement in there.
Quote from: marrerom on Apr 27, 2016, 07:51:53 PM
The Engineers are key to making a multiverse work in the Alien series.
They'd definitely be an easy avenue into getting the concept into the films. But it would still feel like a massive tonal departure from the reality of the films.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 08:13:08 PM
Yes, have Ripley say "I had a bad dream I lost my hair" in a tongue in cheek way and be done with it. One line. No elaborate justification for the dream sequence. Go the Marvel / Deadpool route and make a joke of it, and move on.
Not keen on this idea! Don't need that kind of humour.
Quote from: Shamo on Apr 28, 2016, 12:09:02 AM
Didn't Ridley Scott say at some point- that his new Alien Films would somehow connect with Ripley in an unforeseen way? I picked it up somewhere on this site.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/09/25/ridley-scott-talks-ripley-xenomorphs-in-alien-paradise-lost/
"In a way it is Prometheus 2. It's exactly the same story. But it was always in the works to be called that [Alien: Paradise Lost]. Is Prometheus actually taking us off course from where I'm going, which is actually backing into the first Alien... I've even got connections with Ripley [in this], but I'm not telling you what."
Yeah that's the one! Nice work Corporal! But it might also just be something subtle, like a Weyland Yutani guy scanning personnel files for the mission or something.
That's what I'd prefer. Something subtle.
Quote from: Spooky799kil on Apr 27, 2016, 10:24:04 PM
I know alot people are debating on what the movie should be but i am just going to see it when it comes out to see if its good or not. Then I will judge. We all been through alot in the years and I understand everyone is stressed and expressing different opinions but I am going to go to theater open minded.
I think this is what we are all going to do. When all is said and done, if the movie is good we will be happy to accept it. Of course, when you have a series this beloved there will always be some percentage that hates whatever new thing comes out.
I find that myself, Im with the consensus and over-the-moon for ALIEN and ALIENS, Im one of the few that LOVE Alien 3 but understand why fans find the beginning of that film DIFFICULT. Overall I love the world of that. It's Mad Max meets Alien and the brooding tone doesn't bother me in the least, because I eat that Noir-stuff up. There are things I love in A:R (when she finds her clones) but the stuff I hate (the humor, script changes) I really, really HATE. I think its the weakest in the series by far. AVP and AVP-R were serious, serious garbage and I can't find anything redeeming about them. And I'm not against AVP. I wish they would do it right and the very basic root of that is not having it take place on earth, maybe make it a TV series, if not an outright R-Rated CGI Animated feature, and not have it connect to either franchise directly. PROMETHEUS makes mistakes with the Engineers and the art direction. I dislike the way the Engineer's look and especially hate their technology. I don't think it fits with the Gigeresque designs to have holograms and lazers everywhere. The biggest problem to me, with Prometheus, is simply that I think the Engineers weren't doing anything terribly interesting. Its not that they are humanoid, because that was actually in Gigers art all along. Instead it's that they don't feel menacing enough to me. But I acknowledge that they didn't even HAVE TO BE menacing. They weren't even seductive, or ethereal enough. They were kinda boring and poorly designed. What's worse is some of the early designs looked much more interesting. Overall though, I find a lot of PROMETHEUS to hit very hard when it's on point and keep my fingers crossed that they right the wrongs with this next film, make the Engineers more interesting and design things better.
Blomkamp's already doing some things right for Alien. His own films have already done things right for Alien. That alone is exciting. I can't deny that I think he could salvage a film with Ripley 8, but when all is said and done, I'm gonna see the movie and if it's good, I'll accept it.
The worst case would be if both COVENANT and BLOMKAMP'S films aren't good enough to justify this.
I rate the films in this order:
1. Alien-Aliens-Alien3
2. Prometheus
3. A:R
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 28, 2016, 12:52:45 PM
That's what I'd prefer. Something subtle.
WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! I just thought of something!!
What if they did something like this!:
It's 450 years later and Ripley, wakes up in a hospital bed with Hicks and Newt standing over her. She is told there was some kind of malfunction and they aged slowly, in cryo (time dilation?) and missed their lives.
When she is awoken, it is explained to her that she was impregnated in cryo somehow (like the beginning of A3) and they have removed the alien.
The idea being - its up to you to decide whether this is an ALTERNATE Alien3 or if both A3 and A:R actually happened and they are actually clones.
Given that start, you can either accept this as A3 or A5.
Think about it.
It would make a lot of sense out of BLOMKAMP's statement (paraphrase): "Then I realized there was the potential for, at least another film with Ripley in it, maybe more..." Aaaand "This film will not CATEGORICALLY feature RIPLEY 8"
Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 28, 2016, 02:44:45 PMThe idea being - its up to you to decide whether this is an ALTERNATE Alien3 or if both A3 and A:R actually happened and they are actually clones.
But the whole clone thing still makes absolutely no sense.
Putting Ripley, Hicks and Newt in it will automatically render
Alien 3 null and void unless they use some ridiculous work-around - which I'd much rather they didn't.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 28, 2016, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 28, 2016, 02:44:45 PMThe idea being - its up to you to decide whether this is an ALTERNATE Alien3 or if both A3 and A:R actually happened and they are actually clones.
But the whole clone thing still makes absolutely no sense.
Putting Ripley, Hicks and Newt in it will automatically render Alien 3 null and void unless they use some ridiculous work-around - which I'd much rather they didn't.
Well its not explicitly stated. In fact, its as if there is no mention of cloning at all. Understand? They can start it by explaining where the egg came from and it's x years later... They remove the alien from her chest and they have it.
In other words it's the happy end to the 'Alien' series? It doesn't need a happy end and in my opinion (Alien 3 *Spoilers*), killing off Hicks and Newt was a brilliant idea. Ripley is the lone survivor - That works so well. Had Hicks starred in 'Alien 3', an unnecessary romantic subplot would have developed. Plus I personally don' care much about Hicks anyway. He was simply a nice guy... that's about it. As for Newt, they would have had to recast her which would have taken away from the very real feel of the series, or not set the movie directly after which again, I don't feel would have been nearly as good. The continuousness of the series is great.
On another note, can people stop trying to say they're not ignoring 'Alien 3' and 'Alien: Resurrection'. Whether you call those films a dream or claim now that this film is in a parallel universe, you are effectively overwriting 'Alien 3' and 'Alien: Resurrection'.
Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 28, 2016, 03:40:46 PMWell its not explicitly stated. In fact, its as if there is no mention of cloning at all. Understand?
If it's not outright stated, what's even the point? You'd just be effecting a retcon by leaving it unstated.
Regardless, the idea that someone would clone them all makes no sense, regardless of how you try and sell it. Why would anyone conceivably do it? There's no logical reason. It's a really lame attempt to try and make everything contiguous when they'd be better off just saying, "We're scrapping the other sequels."
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 28, 2016, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 28, 2016, 03:40:46 PMWell its not explicitly stated. In fact, its as if there is no mention of cloning at all. Understand?
If it's not outright stated, what's even the point? You'd just be effecting a retcon by leaving it unstated.
Regardless, the idea that someone would clone them all makes no sense, regardless of how you try and sell it. Why would anyone conceivably do it? There's no logical reason. It's a really lame attempt to try and make everything contiguous when they'd be better off just saying, "We're scrapping the other sequels."
HuDaFuk -
They are already retcon-ing it. That's just happening. I'm just pointing out that its a very simple way to handle it that makes sense out of what is going on. And the reason for the cloning is the same as it was in A:R - to obtain the alien.
In a sense, by doing it the way I'm saying, they are neither throwing the others away, nor ignoring them. If it's handled the way I said, they are effectively making a sequel to the others as well as a direct sequel to ALIENS because the would basically be adding to the story started in Ressurection... This idea that they are trying to Clone Ripley to obtain the Alien inside her.
So then, this is a time it worked out maybe 2 hundred years before A:R or 50 years after, I dunno. The point is; the real Ripley still died on Fury and this one is a clone, but that doesn't need to be explicitly stated.
I said 'Think about it' because if you look at it correctly it both a sequel to A:R and a sequel to ALIENS. Sorta A L I E N .5
or A L I E N S .5. Its an alternate A3 (that doesn't wipe it out and retains the honor of Ripley's sacrifice), a sequel to A:R, AND a direct sequel to Aliens, at once.
Maybe the controversy caused by the idea of doing it alone, is almost worth it.
Of course - THIS is just conjecture.
Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 28, 2016, 05:37:56 PMI'm just pointing out that its a very simple way to handle it that makes sense out of what is going on.
But it
doesn't make sense.
How would cloning them get them the Alien? No one at the end of
Aliens has an Alien in them. If the egg's already on the Sulaco, why bother cloning anyone? Just take the egg and leave the others be. Where did they get these clones anyway? I find it incredibly hard to believe they could make some copies in the days/weeks they had between the two movies, not to mention get those clones all the way out to deep space to make the switch. And why did they have clones of the three people who survived specifically? They couldn't possibly have known Ripley, Newt and Hicks would be the ones to live through it until the three got back to the Sulaco at the very end of
Aliens. Did they just have clones of the entire team on standby so they could pick the ones they need? Why would they conceivably do that in advance?
The whole idea you're proposing makes absolutely no logical sense.
Aliens: The Clone Wars
It's so hard for Bloomhack and the half of you Disney Princesses accept that Newt and Hicks are dead and the Ripley story ends with Alien 3??
If Bloomhack was a better director/writer he would just do Alien 5, nothing to do with Ripley, new story, new characters, a great opportunity to show your best ideas for the franchise, but no, he just want to favor cheap fan-fiction and delete 2 movies in the process.
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"In a way it is Prometheus 2. It's exactly the same story. But it was always in the works to be called that [Alien: Paradise Lost]. Is Prometheus actually taking us off course from where I'm going, which is actually backing into the first Alien... I've even got connections with Ripley [in this], but I'm not telling you what."
This could be cringe worthy on the nose horrible! Probably will be to be honest. It'll be the Ripley equivalent to what the deacon birth scene was to the alien.
Quote from: Beatnation on Apr 28, 2016, 07:04:30 PM
It's so hard for Bloomhack and the half of you Disney Princesses accept that Newt and Hicks are dead and the Ripley story ends with Alien 3??
Let's avoid the insulting of people who don't agree with your opinions, thanks. We're talking civilly here.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 28, 2016, 06:00:14 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 28, 2016, 05:37:56 PMI'm just pointing out that its a very simple way to handle it that makes sense out of what is going on.
But it doesn't make sense.
How would cloning them get them the Alien? No one at the end of Aliens has an Alien in them. If the egg's already on the Sulaco, why bother cloning anyone? Just take the egg and leave the others be. Where did they get these clones anyway? I find it incredibly hard to believe they could make some copies in the days/weeks they had between the two movies, not to mention get those clones all the way out to deep space to make the switch. And why did they have clones of the three people who survived specifically? They couldn't possibly have known Ripley, Newt and Hicks would be the ones to live through it until the three got back to the Sulaco at the very end of Aliens. Did they just have clones of the entire team on standby so they could pick the ones they need? Why would they conceivably do that in advance?
The whole idea you're proposing makes absolutely no logical sense.
You're not following what I said. I'm saying A3 did happen. That's why they have to clone ripley. How Hicks and Newt are alive or cloned is just up to the writer. What happened at the beginning of ALIEN 3 is vague enough to make it work easily. In fact, if this film starts off explaining what happened at the beginning of Alien 3, it's all the more interesting.
Its just an idea so, there's no need to get into big arguments over it.
For starters, this THERE ARE ONLY DAYS BW Aliens and A3 is exploitable.
You start the film in those days, explain what happened on the ship however the writer wants (I DONT WANT TO ARGUE OVER WHETHER ITS POSSIBLE FOR SOMETHING TO HAVE HAPPENED THAT LEAD TO THE EGG BEING ON THE SHIP. THERE IS A THOUSAND WAYS SOMETHING ELSE COULD HAVE BEEN GOING ON THAT BOTH PROMETHEUS AND ALIEN ISOLATION HAVE ALREADY EXPLORED. GETTING ATTACHED TO YOUR INTERPRETATION OF EXACTLY HOW CERTAIN BLANKS ARE FILLED IN, LIKE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT PASSED B/W ALIENS AND THE BEGINNING OF A3.. I SIMPLY DONT THINK THE STUDIOS CARE HOW FANS INTERPRET THINGS LIKE THAT AND THAT'S OK FOR ME). So I'm saying the writer explains how the egg gets there and maybe they don't understand the monster so they think Newt and Hicks are infected. If it were me, I'd have someone else be in those cryo tubes. Maybe Hicks put bodies in there so he could escape? Don't think too hard, someone could figure it out. A writer can figure it out. Set-up is easy once you know what you want to happen.
The only problem is finding a reason for Hicks and Newt to be alive or cloned and they can do it. The important part of the idea is just that its years later and they have Ripley and they take the alien out of her, and you SUGGEST cloning could have been involved. That way by ONLY SUGGESTING IT, as an audience you can decide to accept it or reject it and consider this film ALIEN 3.
In the end, Ripley blows up the HEadquarters of WY and none of this stuff survives so then years later they try again and you get A:R. That's why I said title it ALIENS.5 Cause the .5 works as being inbetween Aliens and A3 AND as a sequel to A:R and thus Alien5. Get it? Aliens .5 or maybe just ALIEN.5
TBH - Since A:R used cloning, it's odd no one ever thought to just clone her again anyway. We all think of a sequel to AR as automatically being about RIPLEY 8, but why? There could have tried to clone her once before or after. Maybe in this case WY had the money to get it right.
Again, just an idea.
Then you jump ahead,
I actually like the idea of Ripley broadcasting her nightmares for the entertainment of the masses, making Alien3 and Res just crazy nightmares she keeps having because of her ordeal in the first 2 films. Since she cant stop the nightmares and she thinks the aliens are gone forever, why not profit from them? Someone already stated that dreams have already been in this series quite a bit, between unfilmed ideas, aliens, and Prometheus.
Only issue I have with that idea is that it guts alien3 and res and makes them pointless to care about or watch again.
Quote from: Beatnation on Apr 28, 2016, 07:04:30 PM
If Bloomhack was a better director/writer he would just do Alien 5, nothing to do with Ripley, new story, new characters, a great opportunity to show your best ideas for the franchise, but no, he just want to favor cheap fan-fiction and delete 2 movies in the process.
That was what he intended all along. Until he met with Weaver and she convinced him to continue Ripley's story. Before he met Weaver he didn't even think she would be interested in starring in another Alien film. He said himself that his original story would have included the events of Alien 3.
Blomkamp also knew that with Sigourney onboard and backing his film proposition, his chances of getting it greenlit would be considerably greater.
So next time do a little basic research before making a fool of yourself on a public forum.
Quote from: Beatnation on Apr 28, 2016, 07:04:30 PM
It's so hard for Bloomhack and the half of you Disney Princesses accept that Newt and Hicks are dead and the Ripley story ends with Alien 3??
You heard the Corporal. Shape-up or ship-out.
If he can bring back Ripley, Newt, and Hicks in a believable way and still consider Alien3 and Resurrection canon, then it will solve all my problems. How they're gonna do it, I have no idea, I don't know what Blomkamp has up his sleeves. If he can pull it off, that'd be the best magic trick ever.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 28, 2016, 06:00:14 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 28, 2016, 05:37:56 PMI'm just pointing out that its a very simple way to handle it that makes sense out of what is going on.
But it doesn't make sense.
How would cloning them get them the Alien? No one at the end of Aliens has an Alien in them. If the egg's already on the Sulaco, why bother cloning anyone? Just take the egg and leave the others be. Where did they get these clones anyway? I find it incredibly hard to believe they could make some copies in the days/weeks they had between the two movies, not to mention get those clones all the way out to deep space to make the switch. And why did they have clones of the three people who survived specifically? They couldn't possibly have known Ripley, Newt and Hicks would be the ones to live through it until the three got back to the Sulaco at the very end of Aliens. Did they just have clones of the entire team on standby so they could pick the ones they need? Why would they conceivably do that in advance?
The whole idea you're proposing makes absolutely no logical sense.
The people in Alien 3 are clones that escaped a cloning facility?
We spend all of this time trying to make up haphazardly excuses to cover the obvious discrepancies in canon that an alternative reality creates... I honestly think it is about time we just accept that, shit happens. Stop trying to fight it and just let this unstoppable force in and see where it goes.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 28, 2016, 11:50:34 PM
We spend all of this time trying to make up haphazardly excuses to cover the obvious discrepancies in canon that an alternative reality creates... I honestly think it is about time we just accept that, shit happens. Stop trying to fight it and just let this unstoppable force in and see where it goes.
I agree.. and the fact that some fans want Covenant to flop just so they can keep Alien 3 and Resurrection is just... petty. I may not like where the franchise is going as far as Prometheus and the Prometheus crossovers are concerned but if we're getting a multiverse out of this, then this is something I can be at peace with and even be happy with what I have as far as the franchises are concerned, and I really, really would hate it if fellow fans decided to just go out of their way and ruin something.
To say that they want Covenant to just fail is just... petty.
I haven't seen anyone want it to fail, unless I missed something. I think fans are just worried of more disappointment, honestly.
I do agree with whiterabbit though. Also, we're lucky the franchise isn't dormant. I thought after the terrible AvP movies that we wouldn't see anything again for a long time.
Quote from: PsyKore on Apr 29, 2016, 03:20:59 AM
I haven't seen anyone want it to fail, unless I missed something. I think fans are just worried of more disappointment, honestly.
The thing is, Blomkamp isn't undoing Alien 3 and Resurrection, and Weaver's statement explains how he isn't undoing them. And it's an idea which I can get behind because this is something which I've been theorizing for the last couple of years, and now it's been for the most part... confirmed in a sense. We have a multiverse, and I couldn't be happier. And I really don't like that fans seemingly want to ruin that. As for the movie itself, you know, at this point we are given a choice in which path we want to follow in the overall canon-- that even if it does fail, we can go back to them, and we won't be viewed as wrong because they are still there. We can go back to Alien 3 and Resurrection for those who do want to keep them.
Having that said, I do wish Neill Blomkamp the best of luck, and I do wish the cast and crew the best of luck as well. While a lot of the Geek News feeds seemed to have missed that this movie is an AU, knowing that's what it is has given me a sense of peace. It makes me feel as a fan that I don't HAVE to watch it, but that I GET to watch it if I do want to. You get what I'm saying with that?
Everything has a place now. Now it's not about what's canon and what's non-canon.. It's about WHERE it fits in canon. And you know what? I am perfectly happy with that. I am completely at peace with this. It's just... so disappointing that so many don't see it this way.
I don't know, many just don't know how a 40 year old Newt is justified apart from fan wish fulfillment, killing off Newt and Hicks, while not exactly handled in a satisfactory way, was still consistent with the Lovecraftian nature of the universe and was thus thematically justified. That funeral scene in Alien 3 is among the most powerful moments of the franchise and part of what made it so powerful was precisely due to the attachment to those characters and the emotional through line being cut cruelly short, not to mention Ripley's ultimate sacrifice.
Realising that there will be an alternate film now where they survive will undermine all that and lessen their impact just by virtue of knowing that their exists a film in which they have survived, and it won't matter if I choose it over Blomkamp's, because that original timeline will no longer be the definitive one.
Now Ripley's clone didn't undermine the impact of 3 because it was a clone, not THE Ripley, and if you ask me Blomkamp would have been better starting from Resurrection with a cloned Hicks and Newt for that same reason too but whatever, FOX just see dollar signs, so there's not much point in griping, but I like griping. ;)
Peace.
aww man do we really want to see a 70 year old weaver and hicks hitting on each other?
Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 28, 2016, 08:22:36 PMYou're not following what I said. I'm saying A3 did happen. That's why they have to clone ripley. How Hicks and Newt are alive or cloned is just up to the writer.
No, you're missing the point. How would cloning Ripley, Hicks and Newt conceivably help them in any way? The three of them don't known anything about the Alien the company doesn't already know by the end of
Alien 3, so there's no
Need for them to go to huge expense to bring them back to life. It would be utterly pointless and a forced excuse to get them in the film.
Not to mention the cloning Ripely thing was already done in
Resurrection.
I think I read (Hicks?) that hypersleep dreams are pretty much established in the universe - I've always been confident that this is how Blomkamp would handle retconning (whilst still acknowledging) 3 and 4. It's the most expedient way to do it and fits with already established lore... Albeit I know some really hate the idea, it satisfied me from that standpoint.
The truth has been stated on here a few times though - its all about the money. Didn't the one producer say you could have someone weeing against the wall and call it Alien 3 and still make millions of dollars?
Quote from: Russ on Apr 29, 2016, 11:01:41 AM
I think I read (Hicks?) that hypersleep dreams are pretty much established in the universe - I've always been confident that this is how Blomkamp would handle retconning (whilst still acknowledging) 3 and 4. It's the most expedient way to do it and fits with already established lore... Albeit I know some really hate the idea, it satisfied me from that standpoint.
The Alien novelization had mention of people whose profession was to dream and have those dreams recorded for entertainment purposes. And of course Prometheus has David looking into Shaw's dream. It fits - it's just a
terrible way to do it because it still just amounts to the lacklustre "it was all a dream."
QuoteThe truth has been stated on here a few times though - its all about the money. Didn't the one producer say you could have someone weeing against the wall and call it Alien 3 and still make millions of dollars?
Yeah, Giler or Hill, I think. Pretty sure it was on the Alien 3 documentary.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 08:13:08 PM
Yes, have Ripley say "I had a bad dream I lost my hair" in a tongue in cheek way and be done with it. One line. No elaborate justification for the dream sequence. Go the Marvel / Deadpool route and make a joke of it, and move on.
Corporal Hicks: Not keen on this idea! Don't need that kind of humour.
Corporal, on principle I agree that Alien 3 and Alien: R should just be ignored, but if they really had to mention it, I would consider the off-handed joke above, which could be a reference to any other jokes Ripley may have had in cryo-sleep, to be the maximum extent of what is needed. I would prefer if they would just let it go and not mention anything.
But...
I think I have a solution for everything. I have taken into account mostly what Cainsson said here, though keeping in mind what the skeptical Mr. Huda had said. To make the story make sense, there would have to be motivation for the cloning. I think I figured it out in a way that is neither convoluted, nor requires a retcon, and can in fact sync everything up nicely. So here goes, in point form.
-Firstly, we have to accept the premise that Bishop is operating under conflicting directives. Firstly, he is unable to harm a human being, but secondly, he has a specific request to secure an return an alien to company labs. But would Bishop consider a clone to be a human? Do you see where I am going with this?
-So how did the eggs get on the Sulaco? Simply, when Bishop was sent into the tunnels to get the second Dropship from the Sulaco, he went and secured 3 eggs from the egg chamber before the second dropship arrived. At this time he knew that there were only 3 survivors. He packed them neatly on the Dropship for return to company labs. At no time did he intend any malice towards any of the humans though, because since he was a scientific android sent on a scientific mission, he had a lab on board the Sulaco where he could store and secure such organisms.
-Once everyone is sleeping, Bishop wakes up and gets to work. But he is a bit of a spaz now that he is damaged. During the weeks of sleep that everyone is under, he clones Ripley, Newt and Hicks for the purpose of incubation. This does not conflict with his prime directive, because they are not humans. He could just deliver the eggs whole to the company labs, but he is concerned that they may hatch and screw things up for everyone, so he figures the best bet is to have the eggs get fertilized inside the clones, so that they can be frozen for further study once he arrives back at company labs.
-He successfully impregnates CloneRipley, and while he is delivering the second egg, being a spaz, he falls over, it hatches, and just goes for Clone Hicks on its own but it cracks the glass, hurts itself, and the blood starts the electrical fire that destroys the ship. This also explains why we have the burn marks inside the capsule from the acid. The clones are jettisoned along with Bishop to Fury 161, along with data on the cloning methods used. Perhaps Bishop was funneling DNA directly from the originals and that is how memories got included? I know this bit is a stretch. So we have a dead facehugger that causes burn marks in the capsule, an impregnated Ripley Clone, Clones of Newt and Hicks, Bishop plus 1 unopened egg in the capsule, + the data. When Bishop is reactivated in Alien 3, he sees that his Ripley clone is conscious and has all her memories and now that makes him guilty of violating his prime code. So he asks to be deactivated. The other egg hatches and impregnates the dog or ox. Hicks and Newt clones never once had an y consciousness.
-In Alien Resurrection, the marines are still trying to use Bishops original data for cloning purposes. In fact the previous point explains exactly why they went the cloning route, and how Ripley 8 was able to have memories. They never bothered to clone Hicks and Newt because they had no Alien DNA associated with them.
-And that leaves the 3 remaining survivors from Aliens who are also jettisoned in their own EEV, but without Bishop. That will deserve an explanation. Then they are floating out there until Alien 5. They are picked up eventually after they age about 30 years in stasis. Ultimately, the theme of Alien 5 could be about them learning what happened. Perhaps they could even end up frozen again after Alien 5 so that Ripley meets Ripley 8 eventually..
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 29, 2016, 03:00:36 AM
To say that they want Covenant to just fail is just... petty.
Quote from: PsyKore on Apr 29, 2016, 03:20:59 AM
I haven't seen anyone want it to fail, unless I missed something.
They are out there: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=52313.msg2111971#msg2111971 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=52313.msg2111971#msg2111971)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 29, 2016, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: Russ on Apr 29, 2016, 11:01:41 AM
Didn't the one producer say you could have someone weeing against the wall and call it Alien 3 and still make millions of dollars?
Yeah, Giler or Hill, I think. Pretty sure it was on the Alien 3 documentary.
They tested out that theory with ACM and guess what? Giler was right.
Let's all try to keep in mind that Weaver is the number one person who's defended the third and fourth films to the hilt and, apparently, even made a point of reiterating that love in this speaking engagement. If she's relaxed about how this won't realistically affect them, maybe we should ease off on the worry.
Something will happen and continuity will be preserved intact. That's all there really is to say now.
Unified Timeline
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FTimeline%2520Alien%2520Unified_zpsaiixflic.png&hash=2ae7ee03461a908f3d1b2f83f4adf2f34c3d7ba9)
I would like it this way. Unify the movies beyond 2379 AD. It would be a smart move to set '
Alien 6' say from 2500 and have no mention to the previous ones or at least absolutely nothing that would hint any event of fact from a timeline or from another. Just stating year 25XX or whatever, is enough for us to understand that it acknowledges what has been done before, and everybody would be 'happy' ! ;D
Suppose '
Alien 5' or '
3.2' is
THE perfect movie everyone was waiting for and would even make silent the most sceptical person. That doesn't mean we should ignore '
Alien³' and '
Alien Res', they were present for more than 20 years and I won't deny the pleasure they gave me, I'll continue to watch them of course.
Hey Primordial, that's actually a pretty good chart! You should see the one which me and Norm Keillor made sometime! :laugh: Infact, here... I'll put it under spoilers for you!
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F41.media.tumblr.com%2Fc990d784765f5c321369305b401f503b%2Ftumblr_o5yl7fumXx1rh8tweo1_1280.jpg&hash=94f06bdca3f8995b0f5e4bd4cec910b0d3e28c4a)
Someone (I don't know who but kudos to them!) did a REALLY good chart, and to me, it makes a lot of sense. It shows that there are intersecting timelines which diverge and converge in certain areas. I mean considering that... Weaver said this was a parallel universe to Alien 3 and Resurrection, I see this effectively being the case.
Considering how BIG this chart is... I'm gonna put under spoilers.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F40.media.tumblr.com%2F1da8913a3d09731e47e9696b1c45ad5f%2Ftumblr_o60qm35HNS1tpjdwlo1_500h.jpg&hash=b04497c0eaccf4a05afa4686f9f2e2e513da9b7b)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 29, 2016, 06:34:20 PM
Hey Primordial, that's actually a pretty good chart! You should see the one which me and Norm Keillor made sometime! :laugh: Infact, here... I'll put it under spoilers for you!
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F41.media.tumblr.com%2Fc990d784765f5c321369305b401f503b%2Ftumblr_o5yl7fumXx1rh8tweo1_1280.jpg&hash=94f06bdca3f8995b0f5e4bd4cec910b0d3e28c4a)
Someone (I don't know who but kudos to them!) did a REALLY good chart, and to me, it makes a lot of sense. It shows that there are intersecting timelines which diverge and converge in certain areas. I mean considering that... Weaver said this was a parallel universe to Alien 3 and Resurrection, I see this effectively being the case.
Considering how BIG this chart is... I'm gonna put under spoilers.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F40.media.tumblr.com%2F1da8913a3d09731e47e9696b1c45ad5f%2Ftumblr_o60qm35HNS1tpjdwlo1_500h.jpg&hash=b04497c0eaccf4a05afa4686f9f2e2e513da9b7b)
Spoiler
Shouldn't AVP have its own timeline ;)
Concerning the first chart Norm and I made, we kept in mind of what the directors at the time wanted to do and bridge the two together. So... it doesn't really matter if it's own timeline or not. We know it follows after Predator 2, and serves as a prequel to Alien.
Then the other films, such as PREDATORS and Prometheus, more or less didn't agree with the direction and instead took cues from the previous movies, PREDATORS being touted as the third movie, and Prometheus being touted as an indirect Alien prequel. So now it's pretty much become a pick your own path. And with Weaver saying that Alien 5 is pretty much an AU... well... everything sort of falls into place.
As for the second chart, I'm not sure WHO made that one but... I like it, I like it a lot.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 29, 2016, 04:03:26 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 08:13:08 PM
Yes, have Ripley say "I had a bad dream I lost my hair" in a tongue in cheek way and be done with it. One line. No elaborate justification for the dream sequence. Go the Marvel / Deadpool route and make a joke of it, and move on.
Corporal Hicks: Not keen on this idea! Don't need that kind of humour.
Corporal, on principle I agree that Alien 3 and Alien: R should just be ignored, but if they really had to mention it, I would consider the off-handed joke above, which could be a reference to any other jokes Ripley may have had in cryo-sleep, to be the maximum extent of what is needed. I would prefer if they would just let it go and not mention anything.
But...
I think I have a solution for everything. I have taken into account mostly what Cainsson said here, though keeping in mind what the skeptical Mr. Huda had said. To make the story make sense, there would have to be motivation for the cloning. I think I figured it out in a way that is neither convoluted, nor requires a retcon, and can in fact sync everything up nicely. So here goes, in point form.
-Firstly, we have to accept the premise that Bishop is operating under conflicting directives. Firstly, he is unable to harm a human being, but secondly, he has a specific request to secure an return an alien to company labs. But would Bishop consider a clone to be a human? Do you see where I am going with this?
-So how did the eggs get on the Sulaco? Simply, when Bishop was sent into the tunnels to get the second Dropship from the Sulaco, he went and secured 3 eggs from the egg chamber before the second dropship arrived. At this time he knew that there were only 3 survivors. He packed them neatly on the Dropship for return to company labs. At no time did he intend any malice towards any of the humans though, because since he was a scientific android sent on a scientific mission, he had a lab on board the Sulaco where he could store and secure such organisms.
-Once everyone is sleeping, Bishop wakes up and gets to work. But he is a bit of a spaz now that he is damaged. During the weeks of sleep that everyone is under, he clones Ripley, Newt and Hicks for the purpose of incubation. This does not conflict with his prime directive, because they are not humans. He could just deliver the eggs whole to the company labs, but he is concerned that they may hatch and screw things up for everyone, so he figures the best bet is to have the eggs get fertilized inside the clones, so that they can be frozen for further study once he arrives back at company labs.
-He successfully impregnates CloneRipley, and while he is delivering the second egg, being a spaz, he falls over, it hatches, and just goes for Clone Hicks on its own but it cracks the glass, hurts itself, and the blood starts the electrical fire that destroys the ship. This also explains why we have the burn marks inside the capsule from the acid. The clones are jettisoned along with Bishop to Fury 161, along with data on the cloning methods used. Perhaps Bishop was funneling DNA directly from the originals and that is how memories got included? I know this bit is a stretch. So we have a dead facehugger that causes burn marks in the capsule, an impregnated Ripley Clone, Clones of Newt and Hicks, Bishop plus 1 unopened egg in the capsule, + the data. When Bishop is reactivated in Alien 3, he sees that his Ripley clone is conscious and has all her memories and now that makes him guilty of violating his prime code. So he asks to be deactivated. The other egg hatches and impregnates the dog or ox. Hicks and Newt clones never once had an y consciousness.
-In Alien Resurrection, the marines are still trying to use Bishops original data for cloning purposes. In fact the previous point explains exactly why they went the cloning route, and how Ripley 8 was able to have memories. They never bothered to clone Hicks and Newt because they had no Alien DNA associated with them.
-And that leaves the 3 remaining survivors from Aliens who are also jettisoned in their own EEV, but without Bishop. That will deserve an explanation. Then they are floating out there until Alien 5. They are picked up eventually after they age about 30 years in stasis. Ultimately, the theme of Alien 5 could be about them learning what happened. Perhaps they could even end up frozen again after Alien 5 so that Ripley meets Ripley 8 eventually..
Dude that's actually really sweet.
No one's talking about this, but I think it works.
Still wouldn't be a huge fan and could get a little cheesy, but as far as keeping them both in the SAME UNIVERSE, I think this plan is the best I've heard so far
Thanks Giger Beast. :)
Really though, Cainsson had the idea with the clones and it was the fact that Huda challenged the idea of clones by asking why would they need to exist that made this come together. I mean cloning was a simple and obvious solution that works with the premise of Resurrection. It is an existing part of the Alien my this since 97. But Huda was right, you have to validate the cloning of those people. This is one way to do it.
What's more is that the grey area of Bishop is further extrapolated, and is consistent with the character. Throughout Aliens, we had no idea if he would be good or bad. What I'm proposing, actually amplifies that. In his mind, cloning the 3 people would be the preferred solution as they would not be conscious humans. So he would not feel that he is hurting anybody. Not until he wakes up in Alien 3 anyway.
This idea really follows up on the Ridley Scott sort of questions about what it means to be human, and what it means to be an artificial human, and what it means to be a human clone.
But yes, I agree, that any of these ideas could turn into cheese. I am a big proponent of the Blomkamp film, but don't doubt that I am knuckle-biting it through this process. The Alien 5 film has a greater potential to go so wrong, than to go so right...
Rakai, I posted a 'branch', you gave me the whole trees ! Thanks for that :)
For the first one, I like that the first 4 movies are on the borderline of universe 1 et 2, and for the second it is aesthetically perfect. I wonder why the dates are delayed of 1 year for 'Alien' or 'Aliens' for example.
Perfect-O,
I understood your state of mind and I know you are helping Cainsson's theory, but I'll switch on to sceptical mode for a bit. Thanks in advance for your forgivness :-*... :laugh:
- The company labs, for experiment purposes, would prefer to have an egg rather than an already infected host. You say Bishop may be concerned that the eggs would hatch so he figures the best bet is to have the eggs get fertilized inside the clones, so that they can be frozen. I would argue that if the eggs didn't hatch in the dropship then why would they do so in the Sulaco ? And why not simply freeze the eggs ?
- Bishops wants the clones infected so why not have each egg near the host instead of putting one of them in a weird place like we see in the beginning of 'Alien³' ? and why doesn't he open the cryo tubes when the face hugger is near the tube in order to avoid the fire that happened, if himself wasn't in one of them ? If he was, then why ?
- 200 years later, the cloning technology is not achieved. Sure, cloning Ripley is easier than cloning infected Ripley but still. So Bishop managed to clone her, and did he do some learning sessions with her like in 'Resurrection' ? I also recall that in a deleted scene of this movie, Ripley 8 had feelings about Newt. So you can't say she is not conscious.
Anyway, I doubt there is a neat way to fill the gaps no matter how hard we try.
Quote from: Primordial on Apr 30, 2016, 06:21:52 AM
Rakai, I posted a 'branch', you gave me the whole trees ! Thanks for that :)
You're welcome, and seeing that Alien 5 is very much going to be an AU, I figured that I might as well share with you what Norm and I had come up with. I think this pretty much cements what I've been saying the last couple of years regarding the franchises. I mean while we don't know much of the plot of Alien 5, the fact that Weaver seems to be the only one who KNOWS what's going on, and the fact that she re-asserts Blomkamp not touching Alien 3 and Resurrection, and says that these movies are occurring in a parallel universe... to me anyway, and maybe a few others, cements that there is more than one universe. Of course, I will admit, I COULD be looking too much into this but.. her statements seem to have weight to them.
Quote from: Primordial on Apr 30, 2016, 06:21:52 AM
I wonder why the dates are delayed of 1 year for 'Alien' or 'Aliens' for example.
I have no idea as to who created that particular chart. Aesthetically speaking, it does show where everything goes, and how their paths are laid out very nicely. But the dates, I won't argue, are very much wrong in terms of Alien and Aliens. They should be listed as 2122, and 2179. Whoever had done that particular chart, likely had some wrong dates listed but I liked the layout of the second chart.
Quote from: Giger Beast on Apr 30, 2016, 02:39:42 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 29, 2016, 04:03:26 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 08:13:08 PM
Yes, have Ripley say "I had a bad dream I lost my hair" in a tongue in cheek way and be done with it. One line. No elaborate justification for the dream sequence. Go the Marvel / Deadpool route and make a joke of it, and move on.
Corporal Hicks: Not keen on this idea! Don't need that kind of humour.
Corporal, on principle I agree that Alien 3 and Alien: R should just be ignored, but if they really had to mention it, I would consider the off-handed joke above, which could be a reference to any other jokes Ripley may have had in cryo-sleep, to be the maximum extent of what is needed. I would prefer if they would just let it go and not mention anything.
But...
I think I have a solution for everything. I have taken into account mostly what Cainsson said here, though keeping in mind what the skeptical Mr. Huda had said. To make the story make sense, there would have to be motivation for the cloning. I think I figured it out in a way that is neither convoluted, nor requires a retcon, and can in fact sync everything up nicely. So here goes, in point form.
-Firstly, we have to accept the premise that Bishop is operating under conflicting directives. Firstly, he is unable to harm a human being, but secondly, he has a specific request to secure an return an alien to company labs. But would Bishop consider a clone to be a human? Do you see where I am going with this?
-So how did the eggs get on the Sulaco? Simply, when Bishop was sent into the tunnels to get the second Dropship from the Sulaco, he went and secured 3 eggs from the egg chamber before the second dropship arrived. At this time he knew that there were only 3 survivors. He packed them neatly on the Dropship for return to company labs. At no time did he intend any malice towards any of the humans though, because since he was a scientific android sent on a scientific mission, he had a lab on board the Sulaco where he could store and secure such organisms.
-Once everyone is sleeping, Bishop wakes up and gets to work. But he is a bit of a spaz now that he is damaged. During the weeks of sleep that everyone is under, he clones Ripley, Newt and Hicks for the purpose of incubation. This does not conflict with his prime directive, because they are not humans. He could just deliver the eggs whole to the company labs, but he is concerned that they may hatch and screw things up for everyone, so he figures the best bet is to have the eggs get fertilized inside the clones, so that they can be frozen for further study once he arrives back at company labs.
-He successfully impregnates CloneRipley, and while he is delivering the second egg, being a spaz, he falls over, it hatches, and just goes for Clone Hicks on its own but it cracks the glass, hurts itself, and the blood starts the electrical fire that destroys the ship. This also explains why we have the burn marks inside the capsule from the acid. The clones are jettisoned along with Bishop to Fury 161, along with data on the cloning methods used. Perhaps Bishop was funneling DNA directly from the originals and that is how memories got included? I know this bit is a stretch. So we have a dead facehugger that causes burn marks in the capsule, an impregnated Ripley Clone, Clones of Newt and Hicks, Bishop plus 1 unopened egg in the capsule, + the data. When Bishop is reactivated in Alien 3, he sees that his Ripley clone is conscious and has all her memories and now that makes him guilty of violating his prime code. So he asks to be deactivated. The other egg hatches and impregnates the dog or ox. Hicks and Newt clones never once had an y consciousness.
-In Alien Resurrection, the marines are still trying to use Bishops original data for cloning purposes. In fact the previous point explains exactly why they went the cloning route, and how Ripley 8 was able to have memories. They never bothered to clone Hicks and Newt because they had no Alien DNA associated with them.
-And that leaves the 3 remaining survivors from Aliens who are also jettisoned in their own EEV, but without Bishop. That will deserve an explanation. Then they are floating out there until Alien 5. They are picked up eventually after they age about 30 years in stasis. Ultimately, the theme of Alien 5 could be about them learning what happened. Perhaps they could even end up frozen again after Alien 5 so that Ripley meets Ripley 8 eventually..
Dude that's actually really sweet.
No one's talking about this, but I think it works.
Still wouldn't be a huge fan and could get a little cheesy, but as far as keeping them both in the SAME UNIVERSE, I think this plan is the best I've heard so far
Honestly i was like Huda in regards to the clones aspect, but reading all this. It actually works so well. Its a cleverly extrapolated reason as to why it could be seen as parralell. And it would explain why the first clones in Resurrection didnt quite work. They were cloning a clone. Someone email this to Blomkamp, Scott and Weaver lol
Everything surrounding Blomkamp's Alien 5 project has been nothing but GREAT news! Why am I so much more pumped for this than Alien Covenant. I'm assuming FOX is saving the best for last. Its crazy to think its already been 4 YEARS since the release of Prometheus!!
I am not keen on Bishop becoming the Super Clone Doctor.
I still want the engineers to be some kind of entity. Ripley deserves a glimpse at the bigger picture of things- she deserves to find out why the Alien exists.
There is a Blonkamp Artwork that showed Ripley with something that resembles Biomechanic Tech. It was among the first Artworks released. Covenant can explore the engineers in a way, that would give em a plausible agenda to interfere with events after Aliens.
I say they board sulaco! They plant the egg! And they clone another Ripley. They either replace the bodies of Newt and Hicks- or they recreate them es artificial persons to give their Ripley clone some form of stability.
As we know from the books the Aliens cursed Ripleys Bloodline. The engineers somehow need that blood. And at some point it should tie in with Amandas path.
I'm loving that this is still potentially going to happen. I'm used to seeing some beloved characters being brought back onscreen by older actors now, and would welcome seeing Weaver and Biehn back onscreen againg in these particular roles.
I still intend to re-edit ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION (seperately) in a way where I can watch these movies without feeling that Ripley, Newt, and Hicks died...and it sounds like I could STILLl include my versions in a 'marathon viewing' if I ever took the notion...and then carry on with Blomkamp's entry afterwards, without contradicting it as being the 'true' follow-up to ALIENS. So I'm very pleased with this possibility.
...and if 'Jonesy' reappears onscreen once more too, then all the better!
;D ;D
Excuse my typos in previous post. I was rushing.
I would love a Jonesy vs Chestburster Alien Isolation DLC Kickstarter ;D
Quote from: Chronicle on Apr 30, 2016, 01:47:03 PM
Everything surrounding Blomkamp's Alien 5 project has been nothing but GREAT news! Why am I so much more pumped for this than Alien Covenant. I'm assuming FOX is saving the best for last. Its crazy to think its already been 4 YEARS since the release of Prometheus!!
I am assuming its because they know Ridley Scott is a "safe bet"- whereas Blomkamp recent films have had lukewarm box office returns.
Prometheus did make $403 Million box office against a $130 Million budget after all.
That said I hope Prometheus 2 (COVENANT) doesn't bomb or else it can/could affect ALIEN 5 in the same way both financially and creativity wise.
Remember it was studio meddling that lead to Xenomorphs being cut from Prometheus according to....
https://monsterlegacy.net/2013/03/04/prometheus-horrors-trilobite-deacon/
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 30, 2016, 06:37:43 AM
You're welcome, and seeing that Alien 5 is very much going to be an AU, I figured that I might as well share with you what Norm and I had come up with. I think this pretty much cements what I've been saying the last couple of years regarding the franchises. I mean while we don't know much of the plot of Alien 5, the fact that Weaver seems to be the only one who KNOWS what's going on, and the fact that she re-asserts Blomkamp not touching Alien 3 and Resurrection, and says that these movies are occurring in a parallel universe... to me anyway, and maybe a few others, cements that there is more than one universe. Of course, I will admit, I COULD be looking too much into this but.. her statements seem to have weight to them.
I agree, for the time being, it seems a legit thought.
For reminders, here's a piece of interview form february 2015 :
We asked if there was more to Ripley she was interested in exploring. "
It's not that so much is that we just left it at such a creepy place, sort of stranded above Earth. I was quite happy to move onto other things and I didn't want to go to Earth. I didn't want to manufacture a sequel and I felt like we were starting to do that. If something happens from this, it would be very organic and very original, and because of that, it would make me want to do it. If it was someone as talented as Neill, I'd certainly listen."
Neither Scott nor Bloomkamp have stellar records when it comes to WRITING films that find critical success in Hollywood. Even though I'm excited that at the prospect of more Alien films (and another Blade Runner film too for that matter), I'm very weary of what it means when these two directors attempt to write something new for a film they want to make.
Ridley Scott is not the writer that James Cameron is and his two most successful Sci-Fi films were great largely in part to his ability to adapt the stories he was given by other people. From a writers perspective Prometheus is a lazy film and the same general format that brought it to the screen is being utilized for Alien Covenant. That doesn't really get me too excited for it.
And Bloomkamp hasn't written a critically acclaimed Sci-Fi film since 2009's District 9. His last few films have had plenty of interesting ideas in them that just haven't translated well to the screen under his direction.
I really wish people would spend as much time over-emphasizing the caliber of good writers that are attached to films instead of just looking at the directors. I think if we did that, we might get Hollywood to make more memorable sequels to our favorite franchises.
With that being said, I really do hope that Bloomkamp and Scott can catch "lightning in a bottle" and give us something better than what their track record suggests we'll get from them...because I don't want anymore mediocre Alien films.
Scott's not a writer, period.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 29, 2016, 07:39:12 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Apr 28, 2016, 08:22:36 PMYou're not following what I said. I'm saying A3 did happen. That's why they have to clone ripley. How Hicks and Newt are alive or cloned is just up to the writer.
No, you're missing the point. How would cloning Ripley, Hicks and Newt conceivably help them in any way? The three of them don't known anything about the Alien the company doesn't already know by the end of Alien 3, so there's no Need for them to go to huge expense to bring them back to life. It would be utterly pointless and a forced excuse to get them in the film.
Not to mention the cloning Ripely thing was already done in Resurrection.
DUDE - They CLONE Ripley to harvest the Alien inside of her, for the same reason they do it in Alien Resurrection, only this was an earlier attempt by WY itself, and they are successful (Ripley is not a hybrid but still a clone) and the egg in A3 was on the ship and it impregnated Ripley. That's why they clone her. To get the Alien. Why they clone Newt and Hicks? I dunno? Maybe they don't? Maybe they were ALL impregnated and they do? I don't know. The point is simple and you're reading further into it than is necessary.
The idea is very simple: I'm just saying, why do we all assume in A:R that this is the first, or last time that anyone tries to clone Ripley to get the Alien? And Im saying, this could factor in here. You see? The rest of the details aren't the important part. I'm just saying BECAUSE of ALIEN 3 and the cloning in AR, it is possible to make a sequel anywhere in the timeline, from WENCE Ripley is impregnated, and still include RIPLEY in the plot.
If you want to include NEWT and HICKS then you just need to make sense out of how and if they were cloned as well - FOR INSTANCE: You can easily say THEY WERE ALL IMPREGNATED and CLONED to harvest the ALIENS. The BEGINNING OF ALIEN 3 IS VAGUE ENOUGH to exploit details from.
So what Im saying about that blank space - you are taking to heavily... Im not providing an answer, I'm just saying writing one is possible.
The two facts that I AM asking for you to see are this:
1. The beginning of ALIEN 3 is VAGUE. You can start a story that fills in details that allows for a reason to clone newt and hicks, or have them woken up and replaced, or whatever, because ALIEN 3 does not provide info about the Eggs on the Sulaco or how Ripley becomes impregnated. It's a relatively blank space that another film can explore.
2. If they cloned Ripley once in AR, to harvest the Alien inside of her, it is entirely conceivable that an attempt has been made before, BY THE COMPANY, to obtain the alien. You see?
So I'm saying that ALIEN 5 - could be a movie that adds 1 and 2 and makes this sort of bizarre, un-explored Mid-quel that runs parallel....
More so, I am saying that the cloning in AR allows for more stories with Ripley, and NOT just Ripley8. Which, frankly, surprises me that I had not thought of before.
Cainsson, have you seen my post a few pages back regarding why they would clone them? I worked with your idea and extrapolated it further. It makes sense why they clone everyone.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 02, 2016, 11:25:11 AM
Cainsson, have you seen my post a few pages back regarding why they would clone them? I worked with your idea and extrapolated it further. It makes sense why they clone everyone.
I did. And I think that it's a legit way to do it.
But I think more so, that there is a lot to consider about the Company's involvement in the background. So much so, given Prometheus and the 57 years after the Nostromo disappearing, that there was clearly some sort of cover up and I think if fans give that some thought, it seems rather silly now, to take anything at face value during a viewing of Aliens. There was more going on and the Company knew. Somebody did. Now we have COVENANT as well. So it's not really even exploiting to add to the story there because you have to assume something else is or was happening that isn't being addressed during Aliens.
To me, once Ripley shows up in the beginning of Aliens, it goes without saying that her information would have triggered some kind of response - more than Burke - by those IN THE KNOW.
So it is VERY easy to make sense out of the beginning of Alien 3.
Ive said it over and over again, regarding the beginning of Alien 3... The phantom egg.. To me, that just always meant that we didn't know something and I assumed we would find out in some other sequel.
I don't understand why everyone attacks the plots of the films as if they only have the information IN THE FILMS to work with. The whole idea of writing is to come up with new things that build on the old. So, I guess I'm saying, your idea with Bishop works, but it isn't even totally necessary, to come up with it because to me, you can just start a film, somewhere before Alien 3 and carry into the beginning of it so they run parallel. It doesn't need to use the same characters and events because there is clearly more happening we don't know about.
Maybe the company sent another ship before Burke, because they were like "Oh shit they found her..." or "Now we know what to do there because we know where that ship is" ... Another thing is, it's entirely possible the Company already has the Alien at the beginning of ALIENS. -You just need a reason to explain why they aren't revealing it.
To me: The idea that the company left the events alone after ALIEN, and PROMETHEUS, is far more absurd than extrapolating something like we are.
I do think that if they went a cloning route, in that timeline, it should be something WY is doing and not this sort of 'cloning is totally normal and it happens all the time, but we haven't mentioned it till now,' kinda thing.
In fact, if Ripley effectively destroys all their cloning research or whatever, it coould even add more weight to the fact that they operate outside regulated space in A:R.
Okay then.
See ya in 8-12 years, Sigourney. ;)
Ridley never meant after the prequel trilogy, only after Prometheus 2.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2016, 08:12:29 AM
Ridley never meant after the prequel trilogy, only after Prometheus 2.
I'm hoping, that the strength of the dailies on COVENANT pushes BLOMKAMP's film from limbo into the design phase, during POST on COVENANT. That way when A:C is released, BLOMKAMPS film will be well into prep and gearing up for production.
They really need to strike sooner rather than later for that.
Sounds like Ridley is moving onto Blade Runner 2 after Alien: Covenant wraps shooting. No mention of Alienkamp which he is also supposed to produce.
Quote from: Jim MinnsOn Monday, I was lucky enough to meet one of the world's most iconic filmmakers - Sir Ridley Scott. I was blown away by how hands on he was. With thousands of workers employed for his latest film - Alien Covenant - He was just as interactive with the props dept' for the Android blood as he was for the gimbal on the spaceship.
He explained the cycle - that when he was in post-production on The Martian - he began pre-production for this. Once he'll be in post on this he'll be in pre-production for Blade Runner 2.
"I Love it" - He said.
You've got to admire the dedication - with all that he has achieved so far, yet he has made a concentrated effort not to stop.
I hope Sigourney Weaver's recent tongue in cheek comments haven't put a damper on the Scott / Weaver relationship...
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 03, 2016, 09:20:16 PM
Sounds like Ridley is moving onto Blade Runner 2 after Alien: Covenant wraps shooting. No mention of Alienkamp which he is also supposed to produce.
Quote from: Jim MinnsOn Monday, I was lucky enough to meet one of the world's most iconic filmmakers - Sir Ridley Scott. I was blown away by how hands on he was. With thousands of workers employed for his latest film - Alien Covenant - He was just as interactive with the props dept' for the Android blood as he was for the gimbal on the spaceship.
He explained the cycle - that when he was in post-production on The Martian - he began pre-production for this. Once he'll be in post on this he'll be in pre-production for Blade Runner 2.
"I Love it" - He said.
You've got to admire the dedication - with all that he has achieved so far, yet he has made a concentrated effort not to stop.
He is also producing Brain Dead TV SERIES which is filming right now and during my time in the same building as a Feature I just wrapped on named Cortex and also another film in prep called Felt... Never saw the guy once. At his scale, you don't need to be present to produce, unfortunately. Also not that imdb is terribly reliable but he is lined up to produce Blade Runner AND Alien 5 in 2017... Its entirely possible.
Did IQs drop off sharply when I was away?? Everything from Blomkamps fan fiction is great news ::)
This is the dying of a franchise everyone has been crying about since alien 3. But Alien 3 while not flawless as with Prometheus were fine entries. ALIEN3 wrapped it up in a nice dark bow, the death of useless characters like near and hicks was quite brave bold and great direction to go. Shoe horning them long with Ripley in another movie because some people got their feelings hurt is a pathetic attempt Doing something fresh as I've heard some of you call it.
Quote from: David8 on May 04, 2016, 06:19:56 AM
Did IQs drop off sharply when I was away?? Everything from Blomkamps fan fiction is great news ::)
This is the dying of a franchise everyone has been crying about since alien 3. But Alien 3 while not flawless as with Prometheus were fine entries. ALIEN3 wrapped it up in a nice dark bow, the death of useless characters like near and hicks was quite brave bold and great direction to go. Shoe horning them long with Ripley in another movie because some people got their feelings hurt is a pathetic attempt Doing something fresh as I've heard some of you call it.
I have to agree with this. While I am fascinated with what Blomkamp might have planned, getting rid of two whole movies in a series is arrogance and disrespect at its height. The AVP films can be treated as non-canonical fluff, but you don't dump the main parts of a series unless you have a
really good reason to.
I personally would absolutely love to see another Aliens film, with Marines blowing up hundreds of Aliens and zingy one-liners and the like. But why
must it include the older characters? Let's create some new characters for a new generation, and keep the franchise intact as a whole.
You know, I freaking gave up. I'll practically take anything they come up with at this point.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on May 04, 2016, 08:06:39 AMBut why must it include the older characters? Let's create some new characters for a new generation, and keep the franchise intact as a whole.
All I can think of is that without Weaver's star power behind the scenes; the movie would never get off of the ground. Aside from fanboyish reasons, that's the only logical reason I can think off. Unless they think the situation is so desperate that the only way to get non-serious fans into the seats is by drumming shit up. They'll sell it as the movie we should have got but didn't... nearly 30 f**king years too late guys.
Of course Alien:Covenant tells us otherwise. :)
Quote from: CainsSon on May 04, 2016, 01:05:31 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 03, 2016, 09:20:16 PM
Sounds like Ridley is moving onto Blade Runner 2 after Alien: Covenant wraps shooting. No mention of Alienkamp which he is also supposed to produce.
Quote from: Jim MinnsOn Monday, I was lucky enough to meet one of the world's most iconic filmmakers - Sir Ridley Scott. I was blown away by how hands on he was. With thousands of workers employed for his latest film - Alien Covenant - He was just as interactive with the props dept' for the Android blood as he was for the gimbal on the spaceship.
He explained the cycle - that when he was in post-production on The Martian - he began pre-production for this. Once he'll be in post on this he'll be in pre-production for Blade Runner 2.
"I Love it" - He said.
You've got to admire the dedication - with all that he has achieved so far, yet he has made a concentrated effort not to stop.
He is also producing Brain Dead TV SERIES which is filming right now and during my time in the same building as a Feature I just wrapped on named Cortex and also another film in prep called Felt... Never saw the guy once. At his scale, you don't need to be present to produce, unfortunately. Also not that imdb is terribly reliable but he is lined up to produce Blade Runner AND Alien 5 in 2017... Its entirely possible.
He's probably planning to be more hands-on with Blade Runner 2 and Alienkamp than some random TV show. It's his legacy after all.
Here's a video of the Q&A from one of the members of WYB.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 05, 2016, 03:06:20 PM
Here's a video of the Q&A from one of the members of WYB.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9sxxVqJRks
You should be able to see my head in the bottom right in front of Sigs when she is standing up.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 04, 2016, 03:53:18 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on May 04, 2016, 01:05:31 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 03, 2016, 09:20:16 PM
Sounds like Ridley is moving onto Blade Runner 2 after Alien: Covenant wraps shooting. No mention of Alienkamp which he is also supposed to produce.
Quote from: Jim MinnsOn Monday, I was lucky enough to meet one of the world's most iconic filmmakers - Sir Ridley Scott. I was blown away by how hands on he was. With thousands of workers employed for his latest film - Alien Covenant - He was just as interactive with the props dept' for the Android blood as he was for the gimbal on the spaceship.
He explained the cycle - that when he was in post-production on The Martian - he began pre-production for this. Once he'll be in post on this he'll be in pre-production for Blade Runner 2.
"I Love it" - He said.
You've got to admire the dedication - with all that he has achieved so far, yet he has made a concentrated effort not to stop.
He is also producing Brain Dead TV SERIES which is filming right now and during my time in the same building as a Feature I just wrapped on named Cortex and also another film in prep called Felt... Never saw the guy once. At his scale, you don't need to be present to produce, unfortunately. Also not that imdb is terribly reliable but he is lined up to produce Blade Runner AND Alien 5 in 2017... Its entirely possible.
He's probably planning to be more hands-on with Blade Runner 2 and Alienkamp than some random TV show. It's his legacy after all.
For sure. I mean, I seriously hope so. I have a lot more faith in Blomkamp's movie w/ Scott as a creative producer... Say what you want about PROMETHEUS, it certain had some seriously great Production Values.
Fox just loves shoe horning ripley into anything now. Whether its her daughter in Isolation AND Aliens Defiance, which i have no doubt will amount to nothing, or in Alien Out of the Shadows and now Alienkamp. I mean good for Sigs for getting work but seriously, is work so scarce nowadays?
I was worried about Amanda's inclusion in Isolation but it worked 100%. I do think there's an over-reliance on Ripley at the minute though. I hope that when Alien 3.2 does come out, it will pass the torch on and be done with Rippers.
Amanda could've been literally anyone and the game would've worked just fine.
No argument there but Amanda's inclusion came off perfectly. It didn't feel forced to me and it added an extra layer of emotion that paid off when we get to Ripley's recording towards the end.
I too thought Amanda's inclusion was done perfectly, it felt like an important part of the story and like Hicks said, it doesnt feel forced at all.
I also feel that Amanda's inclusion makes perfect sense, and the Alien Isolation game would have suffered significantly if she were not included. There is definitely an anti-Ripley vibe on this forum and I think it stems from a skepticism of a retcon of Alien 3.
You have to keep in mind that we on this site are certifiable hard-core fans. We are able to make the jump into a rich EU with ought Ripley, but in order to bake the series a viable franchise, it has to appeal to casual fans and also to the general public. These people relate more to humans than to the monsters. Ripley IS the core of the franchise for them.
It's why franchises like Knight Rider fail. The studios think it's only about a talking car and a dude. It's about David Hasselhoff's Michael Knight for the casual fans and general public really.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 08, 2016, 02:59:54 PM
I also feel that Amanda's inclusion makes perfect sense, and the Alien Isolation game would have suffered significantly if she were not included. There is definitely an anti-Ripley vibe on this forum and I think it stems from a skepticism of a retcon of Alien 3.
Not at all. It's from the noticeable inclusion of a Ripley into a lot of entries recently - and sometimes towards their detriment. It just happened to work for Isolation but I groaned when it was first announced.
Yeah personally im not down for the retcon myself. But I also agree that the Ripley character was the core of the first three films.
It is not about being against Ripley. It is about not forcing to press the lemon.
Quote from: Primordial on May 08, 2016, 07:08:49 PM
It is not about being against Ripley. It is about not forcing to press the lemon.
:D. Ok, I've never heard that saying before, nor do I know what it means, but I love it!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2016, 03:50:27 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 08, 2016, 02:59:54 PM
I also feel that Amanda's inclusion makes perfect sense, and the Alien Isolation game would have suffered significantly if she were not included. There is definitely an anti-Ripley vibe on this forum and I think it stems from a skepticism of a retcon of Alien 3.
Not at all. It's from the noticeable inclusion of a Ripley into a lot of entries recently - and sometimes towards their detriment. It just happened to work for Isolation but I groaned when it was first announced.
When it comes to mainstream Alien products (movies effectively) we are only getting Ripley in Blomkamp's film. Other inclusions are only on our hardcore fan radars, so virtually non-existent. Keep in mind that Out of the Shadows was written before the Blomkamp announcement, so at that time Fox was probably thinking this is the last opportunity for an Alien story. With Sea of Sorrows, the inclusion of her descendant was forced for sure, but even then it was fairly isolated because Blomkamp's film was not yet announced (if I remember correctly). So that's basically it for Ripley. For a core character it is not a lot.
When you start to factor in Amanda Ripley, that could be seen more as a departure from Ellen Ripley rather than a focus on Ripley. That was a pass-the-torch moment.
Anyway, I think we feel like we're getting Ripley overload because we keep talking about her. In reality, she's being lightly sprinkled.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 09, 2016, 11:34:01 AM
... but I love it!
At the end of the day, that is what matters :D
A juicy lemon will eventually give you only one drop or two by being squeezed too much. It is ok for a lemon but not for an actor !
In other words, too much of something is a lack of something. Meaning that a fresh start with new characters would be very welcomed.
I'm willing to put aside my mixed feelings about '
Alien 5', set in an alternate universe, only because I hope it will be an exceptional thing in every sense of the word. It really should be the last time we hear about Ripley in an alien movie. If it is the case then I'm all for it.