Shane Black is doing a SEQUEL!

Started by Lemonade, Jun 25, 2014, 10:17:16 PM

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SiL

SiL

#195
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 03, 2014, 08:53:28 AM
If Dutch was the same temperature as the jungle, he would be dead.
Except not, because the jungle was f**king hot when they filmed, which is why they had to stand the actors next to a fire and splash ice water over the plants to get the actors to stand out. Dutch wasn't cold, the jungle was hot. What we see at the end was closer to how the infra-red cameras actually saw everything: an incomprehensible mess.

Master

Master

#196
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 03, 2014, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 03, 2014, 08:38:56 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2014, 08:38:09 AM
Dutch covering himself to hide isn't even necessarily that inaccurate. If you go by what McTiernan says in the commentary, what the Predator sees through his mask through the movie isn't even actual heat vision, but a modified one (they had to cover everything with ice water to make the actors stand out). What we see at the end is the unfiltered stuff. So when Dutch covers himself with mud, he's covering himself with something the mask has been programmed to filter out, and so disappears.

Boom, movie logic.

This is why we love you, SiL.
If you love him now you should see the uncut commentary of AVP Galaxy's: SiL versus The Strause. The material is apex in general quality at best...

QuoteIn new one, I want new.
I can tell your local government is very afraid of you...

I can tell you're a troll. Every time your arguments are proven invalid you start talking gibberish.

HuDaFuK

HuDaFuK

#197
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2014, 09:03:42 AMExcept not, because the jungle was f**king hot when they filmed, which is why they had to stand the actors next to a fire and splash ice water over the plants to get the actors to stand out. Dutch wasn't cold, the jungle was hot. What we see at the end was closer to how the infra-red cameras actually saw everything: an incomprehensible mess.

The mask clearly filters and amplifies the infra-red spectrum to make it easier to discern, sure. But you're idea that it completely ignores mud just because the Predators programmed it to is, with all due respect, stupid. Did they come to Earth beforehand and grab some mud to sample? What if the mud came straight out of a fridge? What if Dutch built a house out of mud bricks to hide in?

I'm not even sure why you're so desperate to justify this obviously stupid plot point anyway. The movie is a dumb cartoon. It's full of completely ridiculous stuff. It's one of the reasons it's so amazing. But there's no justifying it.

Spoonman101

Spoonman101

#198
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 09:08:38 AM
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 03, 2014, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 03, 2014, 08:38:56 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2014, 08:38:09 AM
Dutch covering himself to hide isn't even necessarily that inaccurate. If you go by what McTiernan says in the commentary, what the Predator sees through his mask through the movie isn't even actual heat vision, but a modified one (they had to cover everything with ice water to make the actors stand out). What we see at the end is the unfiltered stuff. So when Dutch covers himself with mud, he's covering himself with something the mask has been programmed to filter out, and so disappears.

Boom, movie logic.

This is why we love you, SiL.
If you love him now you should see the uncut commentary of AVP Galaxy's: SiL versus The Strause. The material is apex in general quality at best...

QuoteIn new one, I want new.
I can tell your local government is very afraid of you...

I can tell you're a troll. Every time your arguments are proven invalid you start talking gibberish.
Your existence is gibberish...

Master

Master

#199
But there is an explanation. Predator see in infrared we can see it when it removes his mask. With mask on there are filters to help it hunt. Most probably they are designed to nullify the background temperature.

HuDaFuK

HuDaFuK

#200
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 09:18:11 AMBut there is an explanation. Predator see in infrared we can see it when it removes his mask. With mask on there are filters to help it hunt. Most probably they are designed to nullify the background temperature.

Except within a minute the mud on Dutch's body would no longer be at the background temperature, it would be just as hot as he was to start with, and the Predator would be able to see him as clearly as before. That's exactly the point.

Spoonman101

Spoonman101

#201
For infared  you guys should consider reading this.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/high-tech-gadgets/nightvision1.htm

As for mud: when it dries up it matches the body temperature of the organism it is applied on. As for a Predator being unable to detect this I believe whatever you may analyze will be inconclusive. If the fiction taps into the science behind it there is no way for us to ever know how exactly this works... Unless you have a manual. If anyone has a manual for a Predator's mask I'll give them a hundred dollars and a bag of Japanese Lays on Ebay!

Master

Master

#202
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 03, 2014, 09:21:30 AM
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 09:18:11 AMBut there is an explanation. Predator see in infrared we can see it when it removes his mask. With mask on there are filters to help it hunt. Most probably they are designed to nullify the background temperature.

Except within a minute the mud on Dutch's body would no longer be at the background temperature, it would be just as hot as he was to start with, and the Predator would be able to see him as clearly as before. That's exactly the point.
It depends what exact temperature filters nullify. Also near the waterfall Duch was compelling still.

HuDaFuK

HuDaFuK

#203
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 09:41:10 AMIt depends what exact temperature filters nullify.

No it doesn't. His body heat would warm the mud to the exact same temperature as him.

Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 09:41:10 AMAlso near the waterfall Duch was compelling still.
Near the end of the film he was running and swinging around like Tarzan, it still didn't seem to do anything to the mud.

Master

Master

#204
Yeah you are right, but only near waterfall pred looks directly at Dutch and can't see him.

Spoonman101

Spoonman101

#205
Ummm you can't actually prove that he didn't...

HuDaFuK

HuDaFuK

#206
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 12:06:53 PMYeah you are right, but only near waterfall pred looks directly at Dutch and can't see him.

Lol the Predator climbs right over him when he's clinging to the tree later.

As an aside, if you look very carefully at the shot of the Predator scanning the riverbank when Dutch is first covered in mud, you can actually see Arnie lying there, just the same colour as the surroundings.

OpenMaw

OpenMaw

#207
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 03, 2014, 12:43:31 PM
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 12:06:53 PMYeah you are right, but only near waterfall pred looks directly at Dutch and can't see him.

Lol the Predator climbs right over him when he's clinging to the tree later.

As an aside, if you look very carefully at the shot of the Predator scanning the riverbank when Dutch is first covered in mud, you can actually see Arnie lying there, just the same colour as the surroundings.

Yep, his arm and the top of his head are very easily visible. So there's your on screen evidence that the mud does work, and no amount of real science can ever ever undo that. So nyah..!

Master

Master

#208
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 03, 2014, 12:43:31 PM
Quote from: Master on Jul 03, 2014, 12:06:53 PMYeah you are right, but only near waterfall pred looks directly at Dutch and can't see him.

Lol the Predator climbs right over him when he's clinging to the tree later.

As an aside, if you look very carefully at the shot of the Predator scanning the riverbank when Dutch is first covered in mud, you can actually see Arnie lying there, just the same colour as the surroundings.

Oh yeah, forgot that one.

HuDaFuK

HuDaFuK

#209
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 03, 2014, 06:50:53 PMYep, his arm and the top of his head are very easily visible. So there's your on screen evidence that the mud does work, and no amount of real science can ever ever undo that. So nyah..!
Yes, we'll just ignore the fact his eyes should be glowing red hot in thermal vision.

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