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Title: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Darkness on Sep 22, 2008, 09:30:06 PM

It’s been a long time since we’ve heard anything about a potential Predator 3 movie. Producer John Davis did an interview with Collider (news is also on Bloody-Disgusting) and he mentions what the future may hold:

You were also involved with AVP and AVPR, which are two great franchises, but they haven't been able to work as a joint franchise. When are we going to see them go separate? Or are we going to see a third AVP?
John Davis: Well, the Governor has mentioned to me that when he ceases to be Governor, if he doesn't run for the Senate and all of that stuff, he'd like to do a movie or two again. And I don't know, maybe we could restart the Predator franchise.

So if Arnold wanted to do it, it's going to get made?
John Davis: Well we'd have to come up with a really good script and a really great angle on it, but Predator was the first movie I was ever involved with, so it's always going to have a really soft spot in my heart.

So is the AVP franchise on hold for now?
John Davis: I think we've logically done what we could've done with the two AVP movies. But I think there's something to go back to with Predator .

So there you have it. I never thought Arnie would return to acting though, especially in a new Predator movie. However, it’s definitely a positive that they’re ditching the AvP franchise.

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Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: jimmyboy on Sep 22, 2008, 09:59:57 PM
Role on predator 3 then - I just hope they don't ruin it and that they get a decent script & director on board who isn't a fan
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Dragonblaster on Sep 22, 2008, 10:13:46 PM
So no AVP3 at all ?
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: The Demon on Sep 22, 2008, 11:28:49 PM
Sounds good to me.    ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: YutaniDitch on Sep 23, 2008, 12:17:04 AM
YESSSS!
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Mr. Weyland on Sep 23, 2008, 12:24:57 AM
And just when I though that AVP3 might be the one we wanted, set in the future in space, but no, due to the fact that the last film was created by predator fan boys, all these films did was boost predator popularity, destroying most of the mystery, and ruining aliens dignity.  What more can you do with predator really that we don't know, I do wont a predator 3, but at the death of alien, thank you predator fan boys    ;)  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: AvPvTerminator on Sep 23, 2008, 12:33:04 AM
oh thats what im talking bout !!!!!   ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: username64 on Sep 23, 2008, 12:42:30 AM
i want AVP3    :'(  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Sgt.Torque Reikan on Sep 23, 2008, 01:15:14 AM
maybe Davis isn't as much of a f**ktard as I thought   ::)  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: AlienĀ³ on Sep 23, 2008, 01:53:12 AM
not convinced yet, but all for PREDATOR 3!
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 23, 2008, 01:54:18 AM
But he didnt say anything about Predator 3 but a RESTART. That would be sooo f**king stupid.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: gameoverman on Sep 23, 2008, 02:11:27 AM
Well they already ruined Alien 5 and the AVP franchise so Predator is the only thing left now.    :-\  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Sep 23, 2008, 02:27:50 AM
He said that they need a good script, which is all good and it gives me hope but then again they said yes to the avp-r script which was piss poor from the start. To that comes that it will have an ultra low budget and arnold was never very proud of Predator anyway so why do another one... I just cant see this working.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Spaghetti on Sep 23, 2008, 03:22:42 AM
guess the cheap bastards know doing alien 5 would take allot of money and work and with the BS ruining AVP, they think they can get a quick buck with another cheaply made movie with an aging action star.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: The Ultimate Predator on Sep 23, 2008, 03:32:07 AM
Great, great news.    ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 23, 2008, 03:50:03 AM
What's everyone so excited about, he didn't say "AvP is done for good", he said "He THINKS we've done what we can". Big difference.  But I'm glad there's potential for Pred 3   ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: ShadowPred on Sep 23, 2008, 04:06:32 AM
AVP did it's job of reviving the Predator, and i hope we get a 3rd film
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: alienmv on Sep 23, 2008, 04:39:17 AM
Why Me !?!?!?!? I really want want AVP3 but is a cool idea to separte trhe franchisese again  PREDATOR 3 lives!!!!!!
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Sep 23, 2008, 04:39:28 AM
bah, cant be worse than Avp:r anyway    :-\  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: dachande89 on Sep 23, 2008, 05:18:20 AM
Well i like AVP, and would have been happy to see AVP 3. But a new Predator movie would be awesome, and the return of Dutch Schaefer would be cool (although age is a definite consideration)
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Le Celticant on Sep 23, 2008, 06:03:47 AM
Awesome news! Death to the retarded dumbass flick pop-corn serie B movie AvP! Long live to predator franchise.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: vikingspawn on Sep 23, 2008, 06:22:57 AM
When is Arnold's term up?     ???  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: rycher on Sep 23, 2008, 06:31:30 AM
ok but I think we still need to see the ALien home world before we see another Predator movie.  Dont get me wrong I excited for another Predator movie but I think theres one thing missing from the ALien series.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: JK on Sep 23, 2008, 06:37:24 AM
AVP films need a REBOOT.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Richman678 on Sep 23, 2008, 06:43:40 AM
John Davis is a complete idiot! I wouldn't take anything to heart that he says. Fox has more than likely taken the franchise out of his hands, and he is just talking about the govenator...when we all knows he is running for senate...and president shortly after once he has the constitution changed.   >:D     >:D     >:D  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Nukiemorph on Sep 23, 2008, 07:26:39 AM
Done all they can with the two franchises?  The fans have been screaming for a space setting since the announce of the first film.  With all of the possibilities in science fiction stories set in the future/space, you're NOT going to tell me the concept is tapped.  Give AVP3 in space a try, then let it die if you wish.  I'd look forward to a Predator 3, but I'm much more of an alien fan and I'd rather see them again, whether it's against preds or not.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Mr. Weyland on Sep 23, 2008, 08:04:27 AM
I agree with 'necrotard' Just when we here that they might set an AVP film in space, were it should have been from the 1st place, they start to have thoughts of ditching the idea, THE IDEA WE ACTUALLY WANT, god, FOX are a bunch of morons.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: CanadianHero67 on Sep 23, 2008, 09:01:51 AM
Is AVP 3 gone for good?   :-\   At least it looks like there will be a Predator 3.   ;D   Now all we need is Alien 5.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: War Wager on Sep 23, 2008, 09:31:27 AM
I'd say AvP3 is still certain but it's taking a back seat for now. I think Davis has suddenly realised how sucky the past scripts have been.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: YAUTJA on Sep 23, 2008, 09:40:06 AM
i thaught ian white played the predator perfect, especialy in avpr, and i think another pred movie would be great, but i dont like the 'starting over again' thing, if they do, i realy hope they dont change the predator image.it will be a shame for them to leave the avp franchise too, with a lot of fans feeling let down.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: kcirtap33 on Sep 23, 2008, 10:33:47 AM
im going for a predator remake.......it seems to be the thing to do nowadays.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: kcirtap33 on Sep 23, 2008, 10:37:13 AM
maybe blend predator 1 and 2 into one movie?????  avp aint dead yet.....just needs a different approach.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Hybrid PM on Sep 23, 2008, 11:39:55 AM
Lets be honest, if Arnold has a return to acting movie, and it turns out to be Predator 3, thats huge. Fox is stupid not to try and make it. P3 would be a huge box office draw just because of Arnolds return. If they make it epic enough and spend the right amount of money, its gold.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Vemados on Sep 23, 2008, 12:12:32 PM
Arnie's gonna be like a general or something and he'll either help the main protagonist out or have to face the predator again.  Kinda cliche but would still make a good movie.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: lee on Sep 23, 2008, 01:04:06 PM
I think FOX knows that AVP-R made its money, thinking about it, if AVP-R had been released in the summer it wouldve made about 30million in 2 weeks id say, it was stupid to release it at x-mas for a start as well, I wouldnt say AVP3 IS DEAD, NO WAY maybe they'll wait a while and think it through, what needs to happen is a Predator3 I think the people will go for that more and i think even ALIEN 5 is on the horizon. WHY? simple ALIENS:COLONAL MARINES if the game is successful (like the THING game) maybe it'll reignite the franchise and wait a sec is that James Cameron and sigoney weaver at FOX filming AVATAR maybe FOX mite slip to Cameron sayin when u finish this u fancy a bit of Alien again?
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: avp on Sep 23, 2008, 01:59:26 PM
the strauss brothers already said there will b an avp3 they already announced it so. that answers that.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: linyuegong on Sep 23, 2008, 04:11:34 PM
I want AVP3    :'(  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: PHANTOM on Sep 23, 2008, 04:56:03 PM
"So is the AVP franchise on hold for now? John Davis: I think we’ve logically done what we could’ve done with the two AVP movies. But I think there’s something to go back to with Predator."  ^ That right there saids it all folks, the AVP franchise is finished, THANK YOU GOD! I won't have to sit through another retarded AVP movie again, thank you sweet lord. Thank the Strause Brothers for making a ultra crappy sequel, bravo bravo!  This is also bad news ont he other hand. Because if they f**ked up AVP what makes you think they won't f**k up Predator 3, come on!
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: rudy ripley on Sep 23, 2008, 05:45:35 PM
  ???   Why a Pred3? I love the 1st one and the 2nd was very important with the alien head. And who'll be his men this time? He said "i don't have time to do more movies." Because he's busy saving California.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: The One and Only on Sep 23, 2008, 05:45:44 PM
I'm not opposed to seeing Arnold make a return to the franchise. I mean the bloke isn't that far up there in terms of age. Look, I think the man is a few years shy of Sean Connery in THE ROCK, and he was kicking more hindequarters than anyone else in the flick. He also served in a mento capacity to Cage's character as well. It came off quite nicely I may add. I think FOX would have to stupider than a family on Jerry Springer not to this. But I'm still wanting to see a third AVP installment set in space, with some arse kicking Colonial Marine thrown in the mix as well.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Dane on Sep 23, 2008, 06:15:39 PM
I think they should do one more AvP The battles were nothing. They need to finish it with an all out WAR. Thousands of Aliens and hundreds of preds just battleing on pred homeworld. Th at would be bad ass   >:D   As long as its an all out war. They only show maybe 1- 3 preds and 20 aliens and thats it. We want a War.   :o  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Its Game Time on Sep 23, 2008, 06:47:27 PM
I was disapointed with the first 2 avp movies, but i would like a third. One more shot at it. Oh well, what happens happens.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Sulaco on Sep 23, 2008, 08:39:24 PM
I'm all for AvP3, A/5, P/3 because I'll buy almost any  piece of crap they throw at us. Also they need to finish these stories.WTF happened to good movies man. A/1  10 A/2  10 A/3   9 A/R  5 P/1  10 P/2   9 AvP  2 AvPr 3
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: predator343 on Sep 24, 2008, 04:19:06 AM
I want Predator 3 movie and AVP3 movie!!!   :D     ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Purebreedalien on Sep 24, 2008, 05:06:17 AM
Did anyone elses hearts sink when they read this? Sure the AvP movies sucked but AvP was the first A/P movie I saw and I would love to see a decent shot at AvP. I wouldn't mind a P3 but I would rather have an AvP3.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Mr. Weyland on Sep 24, 2008, 05:07:13 AM
Without a 3rd AVP film, the story feels unfinished, I saw the AVP films as a trilogy, just do one more AVP film in space already, and I wont ask for another for a long, long time.  Plus, Predator 3 has to follow up from AVP:R in some format, maybe involving that general guy or Yutani or something, maybe Predator 3 can be a bridge to a GOOD AVP film?
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: MrFacehug on Sep 24, 2008, 06:26:30 AM
Personally, I want them to do AvP3 rather than Predator 3. Don't take me wrong, I would love a P3 movie, but I would cry bloody tears of joy if they did an AvP movie in space. And what Fox needs to do is to bring the old badass aliens back in action. People already love Preds because of the previous AvP movies, but the aliens are not as popular with the general public anymore. So with a new AvP movie that did the aliens justice, plus the new Colonial Marines game, I think the aliens would be more popular again... ...which maybe increases the odds for an Alien 5.    ;)   Also, about the P3 movie, I'd like to see a new main character. I'm not that hyped to see a 63 year old Arnie running around. But I'd love to see him as the "old-veteran-who-faced-the-monster-before-an d-is-helping-the-main-character" type of character. And sure, he can fight a little, too.    :P  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Sheriff Eddie Morales on Sep 24, 2008, 06:43:57 AM
Ditching the AvP franchise?    ???     ???     ???   Man,they better not be ditching it cuz it's still the nicest franchise.And it will be.Especially Requiem.I don't know about a third predator movie,but sure it will be one HELL of a fun to see Arnie back terminating the next predator or the other way around....i personally prefer the first.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: nish nish on Sep 24, 2008, 08:17:57 AM
FINALLY !!!!!!!! NO MORE SHITTY AVP MOVIES!!!!!!!!!  First was alright, but second sucked big time!  DO ALIEN 5 AND PREDATOR 3,   PLEASE NO RESTARTS, REIMAGININGS OR REMAKES, REBOOTS OR PREQUELS,   JUST GOOD SEQUELS.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 24, 2008, 11:10:57 AM
....Yeah, the AvP franchise is FAAAAAR from being dead. Weither so called fans out there like it or not, the Alien and Predator universes are officially ONE as of 2004's AvP and 2007's AvP-R! There is no Alien or Predator universe where both cotinuities are seperate...   IT'S ALL ONE NOW! GET USED TO IT!   Seriously AvP haters.. put up or shut up.   I'd rather see AvP3 done in space or another planet rather than Predator 3-- because all I have heard for pitches is the stupid gladiator idea with Harrigan and Dutch or McMahon's hands on Predator 3.   I'm saying NO TO PREDATOR 3!
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Starkiller on Sep 24, 2008, 11:52:41 AM
AVP-R was definitely more about the predator than alien and it's boosted predator popularity, but I still think they need to make AVP3 but with the whole space setting and great script to finish the AVP franchise off, kinda like a trilogy.   If there is to be a Predator 3 it should be done after AVP3 and i dont think we need arnie back.  The Brothers Strause would be a good choice to direct Predator 3 because they are obvious predator fans    ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: War Wager on Sep 24, 2008, 12:57:04 PM
As long as they didn't contribute to the script I wouldn't mind.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: blackhawk on Sep 24, 2008, 01:08:50 PM
Tough call.....AvP 3 or Predator 3???? hmmmm id like to see both but odds are AvP3 would come out on top to be made.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 24, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
I don't get why so many people call AvP-R a "bad movie" when it was far from it. I wonder, who is calling AvP-R, such a thing. Rabid Alien fans? Movie Critics who only want comedies and feel good movies?   Who?   AvP-R is faaaar from a bad movie. It was made BY Predator fans, FOR Predator fans. And I happen to be a Predator fan, which is why I enjoyed the movie. The Strause Brothers did a good job in making the Predator more skilled in ways we never saw before.   Alien fans were treated with the original AvP, Aliens won in the first movie.   Predator won in the second film, considering Wolf got in the first killing blow.   So the score is even.    I say, AvP3 should be greenlighted... but please, use Peter Brigg's 1994 script of the comic adaptation.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: predatorfandrc90 on Sep 24, 2008, 02:27:35 PM
predator awesome so its a good idea and arnie rocks but their is still alot they could with avp.   8)  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: predatorfandrc90 on Sep 24, 2008, 02:28:45 PM
I mean come on they cant just kill avp   :'(  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: nish nish on Sep 24, 2008, 02:45:57 PM
AVP IS DEAD, GET OVER IT  TIME TO HAVE THE FRANCHISES SEPERATE
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: jumper on Sep 24, 2008, 02:47:50 PM
If people can not see how avp r was and is total shit........then that is sad, just sad
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: XxSaNdMaNxX on Sep 24, 2008, 03:36:58 PM
i love  the part were he says "I think we’ve logically done what we could’ve done with the two AVP movies" whoa if thats the best they can do with a movie that has aliens and predators then they really lame, but o well i guess it would be good to see pussy face in a solo action again...
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: what? on Sep 24, 2008, 04:34:39 PM
There is no story for avp 3, avp 2 f**ked that up with the ending, that would ruin the Alien franchise if they pursued that shitty idea.  Those asshole brothers have no idea what the original film makers meant with the space jockey's, the Alien home world mystery or the origin of the Aliens, so I am glad there will be no avp 3, as the brothers would f**k it up even more.  I did not think it was possible to be worse than AVP 1, but AVP 2 managed that , what a shit excuse for a movie avp 2 was/is.  Make Alien 5 and Predator 3.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: alienmv on Sep 24, 2008, 07:01:36 PM
AVP franchise is over ??? why I really like both AVP films great sci fi movies
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Hickson on Sep 24, 2008, 07:59:58 PM
It's about time. And now we're only waiting for Alien 5 to be announc.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 25, 2008, 04:28:04 AM
I am simply astonished at the narrow mindedness of the people who call themselves fans here. Apparently, you could not appriciate the AvP films for what they were rather instead I hear never ending complaining of what these narrow minded people want the films to be.   Granted, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm not robbing them of that but enough is enough. The films are far from bad, and the AvP franchise is long from dead. AvP can take place in any setting and in any time line, given that the Yautja and the Xenomorph have been around longer than mankind. It could take place in the past, present or the future even. In my mind, I thought the films were creatively original and something new.   Yes, I'd LOVE to see AvP3 set in space with the Colonial Marines, who doesn't?   But seriously people, stop complaining and stop being so narrow minded.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: rudy ripley on Sep 25, 2008, 05:40:19 AM
  8)   At the end of AVP 2 there was a Predator gun and the Kernel showed it to Ms. Wetani and she said that 'the world isn't ready for this technology" and the Kernel said "it isn't for this world, isn't Ms. Wetani?" So there is there should be a sequel  to that, why AVP die? It should continue, it can't end there, there's no ending. Until AVP3.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Darkness on Sep 25, 2008, 05:50:52 AM
It has nothing to do with narrow-mindedness. The majority of fans hated the second one. It was a terrible movie. Accept that. I for one, hope they never make another AvP fillm. Why? I'd rather have no AvP movies at all, than more bad movies. A good AvP movie can't be made, especially under Fox.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: nish nish on Sep 25, 2008, 06:22:16 AM
^^RakaiThwei  Apparantly you do not give a damn if two movies (avp, and avpr, especially avpr) shit all over the other Alien and Predator movies.  That much is clear.  It is not narrow mindedness.  It simply is common sense.  I was looking forward to AVP 1 when it came out, I enjoyed it but was still disappointed with it, and was not looking forward to AVP 2 at all, maybe except for the Predalien, but then I saw the movie was more disappointed in it than the first one, I did not think that was possible, but they achieved a worse movie than the first one.  Predalien was underused and could barely be seen.  Both trash films, and avoiding a third one is a good thing, unless the third one has nothing to do with the second avp movies would that be of some interest.  If a third VP movie was done, avoiding space joickey's, alien home world, alien origins, then that would be alright, I do not want to see that stuff done at all, leave some mystery in the series.  I was pissed with the Predator homeworld being shown in AVP 2, when that sort of thing should not have been revealed unless it was a Predator movie, which the movie basically was anyway.  I don't know why people say AVP 1 was a Alien movie and AVP 2 was a Predator movie, when both feel like Predator movies, and bad movies at that.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: nish nish on Sep 25, 2008, 06:23:28 AM
^^^rudy ripley  That is precisely why there SHOULD NOT BE A AVP 3!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: nish nish on Sep 25, 2008, 06:29:20 AM
I think a good avp movie could have been made, but that time is way to late, that time is gone, 20th Century Fox screwed up big time with their terrible decisions, especially their terrible decision to let two inexperienced brothers direct the really pointless, atrocious and embarrassing second movie (not to mention, a easy, crabby cash grabber).
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 25, 2008, 06:37:16 AM
First off, I KNOW a bad movie when I see it-- Alien Resurrection, now THAT was a bad movie over all! Hell, not even Joss Whedon can talk about the movie without bursting into tears. Seriously, the man becomes a water fountain if you talk about Alien Resurrection with him.   And AvP and AvP-R shitting all over the previous movies? What? I find that hard at all to believe. Seriously, I do. AvP was made by Paul W.S. Anderson, who has a bad streak going on when making movies, there is no doubt about it but AvP was, in my opinion, good.   AvP-R was good in my opinion as well, they returned to the Predator roots and added more to the story. It explained how WY came to know about the Alien way before the events of Alien happened.   Look, I don't know about any of you, but all I have been hearing is nothing but hate for these two movies. I for one, liked them for what they were. All I am hearing are major comparisons to the older films.. You have to account the nostalgia factor when comparing the newer films to the older ones.   (Continued)
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 25, 2008, 06:40:18 AM
The older films are great, there is no denying that-- but I recall much negative hype when Alien 3 came out. Now people say it's great. Same thing with Predator 2 when Stephen Hopkins gave the Predator a thing called, oh, whats the word-- yeah, character! Now people say it's gold.  What does everyone want? Everyone from the original films to reunite for a Alien, Predator or an AVP film? Sounds like it.. Everyone wants Jim Cameron to direct? Sounds like it.   Jim Cameron has other projects to work with other than Alien or Predator. Weaver has been type casted and is so disgruntled with it, she hesitates on doing another Alien film. Arnold is busy running California, and if he runs for Senate.. well... hang it up.  Well.. if it's a crime for me to see AvP3, or even liking the AvP films, then I am guilty as charged.  I'm not robbing anyone of their opinion, if they hate it, I can accept it. There is no problem with that. But to me, from how I see the hate, it just screams alot of things..
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: nish nish on Sep 25, 2008, 07:05:33 AM
That is the thing I hate about avp 2, the inclusion of weyland Yutani, WHY!!!!!!!!!?????????????????  Totallt ruins the canon of Alien, I ignore that ending, especially if they did a AVP 3.  That is a good thing they won't do it, because I don't want the mystery ruined anymore than it has been already.  Oh my gosh.........Alien Resurrection is like Shakespeare compared to AVP 1 and especially AVP 2
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: nish nish on Sep 25, 2008, 07:07:59 AM
Also, I always thought Alien 3, Alien Resurrection and Predator 2 were and are great, never understood the negativity towards them.  So what if Hicks and the girl were dead in Alien 3, I did not care.  Alien and Aliens are good, but way overrated, as is Predator.  All are good though
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: MrFacehug on Sep 25, 2008, 07:12:39 AM
Ok, first, I have to agree with RakaiThwei: The AvP movies are good. Second, I have to agree again: Wether or not you like the movies is your own choice. And third, the reason that AvP:R are considered a "bad" movie is because of all it's flaws. If I would think like a critic, I'd probably say that the movie was horrible. It has a bad script, bad acting and bad lightning. Really, the only thing that makes me like this movie is cause I love seeing the Aliens and Preds duking out.  And that also answers your question about who's saying that AvP:R is bad. It's critics who judge the movie from those rules, and they're actually right on that part.  And lastly, I have to comment on the thing you said about AvP:R being made by Predator fans: That's total bullshit. The directors never had the intentions in making a movie that Predator fans would love, and Alien fans would hate. They just had a special opinion on the whole thing. They wanted to please the Alien fans by making the Aliens scary and sneaky instead of action packed. And they wanted the Pred to be the opposite, cause they thought that in that way, both fans would be pleased. It just didn't work out that well.  (Oh, and sorry about the bullshit part; That ruined my otherwise polite reply... XD)
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: nish nish on Sep 25, 2008, 10:14:02 AM
Re-watching AVP R (yes I own the crappy movie and the first one, got both with coupons, so I only paid $2.86 for the both together (two disc version each))  It really did feel like a Predator movie, and I said that the first one does too.  The Aliens are hardly in the second film and they are in the first one a lot more.  I do not really think they hide the Aliens well, it was not scary, they needed a different director to get that aspect of scaring the audience with the Aliens.  I probably would have liked AVP R a lot better if it were for these things (and many other things, but I will just list these few)  1.  If the movie was not so damn dark to hide the crummy effects  2.   If the Predalien was used more and the Aliens  3.  If there was more predators  4.  Scrap that last minute ending (this is the main one, get rid of this ending with Yutani and I would have like the movie a lot more, it totally screws up 'Alien' and the Alien franchise)  5.  Did not show the Predator homeworld (leave this to the Predator franchise)  6.  Better actors and dialogue.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Requiem28 on Sep 25, 2008, 10:33:48 AM
don't worry, they'll do AVP3......i hope   :-\  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Griker on Sep 25, 2008, 11:35:27 AM
they're ditching the AvP franchise WTF!!!!! what about AVP 3 set in the Alien future like in the Novels and Pc games what the FU!@#!@#!@#!!!!!!!!! they didn't present AVP to its fool aspect    :'(  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 25, 2008, 11:46:34 AM
Well, we got opinions out of the way-- but one thing I think we can agree upon is that AvP3 should be set in space or on a colonized world. If you ask me, I think they should do a film adaptation of the original comic. Infact, in 1994, Peter Briggs had pitched in a screenplay adaptation of the comic. Very few websites happen to have this old script and I think Fox should at least consider doing Peter Briggs' script.   You can read it here at Alien Legend:   http://www.planetavp.com/al/Multimedia/Scripts/avpbriggs.txt
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Xenomorphine on Sep 25, 2008, 12:14:11 PM
Rakai: The first film had all the Aliens dying and lots of Predators living on in their spaceship. The Alien nest was destroyed, along with the Queen and eggs. If that's what you call 'winning', then that means they 'won' in 'Aliens', too.  Darkness: Of course a good such film can be made! It just depends on who's involved with it, just like any project on film.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 25, 2008, 01:25:41 PM
Xenomorphine: I say the Aliens won in AvP for the sheer fact that essentially, all three Unbloodeds, Celtic, Scar and Chopper immediately died during their first hunt. Chopper being the first, Celtic being the last-- and Scar, ended up being a host to the PredAlien. Technically, in retrospect, the Yautja lost in the events of AvP-- despite Scar being alive and being blooded after his first kill.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: nish nish on Sep 25, 2008, 05:35:15 PM
^^ RakaiThwei  I have not read the script yet, will later when I have time.  But one thing, does it do anything to ruin the Alien canon?  (Meaning Alien origin, homeworld, and space jockey's)  If so I don't want to read it, if not I will read it and a AVP 3 movie in space avoiding the above would be alright
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 25, 2008, 05:38:35 PM
Nish Nish: Absoloutely not at all. No mention of the Alien Origin, Homeworld-- nothing at all.  The Peter Briggs script is a screenplay adaptation of the original Dark Horse Alien vs Predator comic. It has Dachande, Machiko, basically it's a script if the original comic were to be a movie.   I've read it and it's pretty faithful to the original comic.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Xenomorphine on Sep 25, 2008, 05:58:03 PM
Rakai: Like I said, if your'e going to use that logic, then the Aliens won in 'Aliens', too. After all, all of the 'warriors' sent to fight them ended up dying or too critically injured to be of much use - and Ripley ended up being host to a Queen.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: MrFacehug on Sep 25, 2008, 10:18:33 PM
Well, I love the first AvP comic, but I would hate it if they did a film about it. That's simply because Machiko and the pred teams up in that one. Then we'll have another crappy human-pred alliance like the first AvP movie. I was really happy that they ditched that idea in AvP:R. Team ups can be ok, at best, in the comics, but never, NEVER on film.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Predhunter on Sep 26, 2008, 12:00:24 AM
So, no more AVP, then... Well, i guess Fox dumbasses got what they wanted! They ruined both franchises by creating a cheap one!!   Budgets of $60 milion and $40 milion for the both movies of a combined franchise...What a joke!! DUMBASSES!!!! I can´t believe how they could be so incompetent!  This is a perfect example of what not to do when you´re ahead of a great movie production company...
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Predhunter on Sep 26, 2008, 12:42:11 AM
Oh... And why i do believe that AVP franchise is dead? Simple: The Brothers made it perfectly clear that the next movie had to be in space. There´s no other way to do it...  And today, a decent third AVP scifi movie that takes action in space costs at least $100 million!!  Do you think that Fox is willing to pay the bill??
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Sep 26, 2008, 01:35:10 AM
MrFacehug:   I have no idea why everyone here seems to hate the team up-- whats wrong with team ups? To me I see nothing wrong with it at all. It has been a prevailent thing in the comics, starting from the very first one and it has been a memorable theme to go with.   Sure, AvP doesn't always have team ups, but the original comic had it and it was by far the best comic out there.   AVP paid tribute to the comic by having a team up and never before have I heard such complaining. Whats wrong with it? Do people hate it because it spawned the Subtext Fangirl moment? (Yes, I KNOW all about that)  Why do so many people hate team ups?
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: AGodfather on Sep 26, 2008, 03:36:43 AM
what is the problem  with the AVP films I dont get it????? AVP and AVPR are part of my favorite films   so can someone tell me what is wrong with them becaus e I really enjoy them YES I said it, ''I enjoy them''  lets talk about business
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: davebhamuk on Sep 26, 2008, 04:00:22 AM
Predator 3 should basically revisit themes from the first two films. Basically the government after the events of AVP-R get their acts together and realise that Predators are to blame for the incident. The people from Predator 2 who were trying to get a Predator specimen would be given the go ahead to do whatever they need to do etc. So a town in Afghanistan is picked to have their water supply spiked with something that will make the locals more aggressive. We'd follow the guys on the Allied side trapped in the middle of it all and the Predators come to play.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: rosie on Sep 26, 2008, 05:04:53 AM
  ???   AVP3  just one more to fix the mess of  last AVPr.  Would love a predator 3.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Sulaco on Sep 26, 2008, 06:04:43 AM
I remember some decent predator comics too, one story had a billionaire who had a predator in a captivity cage for personal entertainment. Good stories these comics are!!  HHHHHMMMMM!!! with retarded yoda face.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: MrFacehug on Sep 26, 2008, 10:48:34 AM
Sulaco makes a great point here: A lot of different (sometimes wierd stuff) happens in the comics. In an aliens comic they introduced a king alien, in a predator one they had a predator that killed for pleasure and lived with a bunch of jungle people. And they can do all that wierd stuff in the comics, I don't mind that. And that's simply because the comics AREN'T CANON. The fact that that they included a team up in AvP was ridiculous and completely destroyed the predator character. The predator is supposed to be a villain (maybe anti-hero) in the movies, and because they made him "everyone's best friend the predator" in AvP 1 I got really pissed off. Which I'm sure that a lot of fans can agree with.  (Continue)
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: MrFacehug on Sep 26, 2008, 10:50:00 AM
That's the first reason why I hate the team up: It destroys the predator character. The second reason is because that the team up made the predators uber-popular and the aliens hated by the general public (maybe hated is a strong word, but you see my point). And in AvP:R, it didn't matter if the alliance didn't exist when the pred was killing aliens as easy as piercing wet paper. The aliens got more left out and the preds rose in popularity. This is supposed to be AvP, not PkA (Predators kills Aliens). I mean, in a good AvP movie, there should be no team ups and no uber-preds. Then it would be equal and the crowd would appreciate both creatures.  So in AvP 3, they should have normal preds, like the one in Predator 1. Because if the aliens owned the unblooded preds in AvP, and got owned by the Near-Elder Pred in AvP:R, then it should be an equal fight if the preds were normal.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Sulaco on Sep 26, 2008, 12:14:20 PM
MrFacehug// Truer words were never more spoken, anyway if P3 is the go, they need to get back to the brutality of the beast. The villian. NO TEAM-UPS FUX, I mean FOX!!!
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: aliensetta on Sep 26, 2008, 01:26:42 PM
I'm happy for the hope of a Predator three but I hate John Davis though I don't know why I just do.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Keep Rockin on Sep 26, 2008, 03:10:31 PM
I'd love to see AVP 3(by the Strauses) or Predator 3 by someone knew...its just great to know that the predator character and franchise still has some life left in it.  AVP and AVP-R were practically Predator 3 and 4 with alien's making special guest appearences anyway.  And so I'm all up for P3, AVP and AVP-R told a single story that sets up the alien franchise in a pretty cool way, it'll be cool to see the Predator franchise move on from battling aliens.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: YAUTJA on Sep 26, 2008, 09:12:55 PM
i would like to see something where the fans could all put an idea foreward of something they would like to see in the next avp "space" movie (even if its just 1 idea each), and if FUX (gud one by the way sulaco) hired a good director who would pay attention to us, maybe the ideas would give them new ideas and inspiration to make a great movie for us?
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: rudy ripley on Sep 26, 2008, 09:58:46 PM
  ;)   you know there shouldn't have been a AVP 1 and AVP 2. Cause that would've messed up the franchise of the Aliens movies. I was waiting for A5 to continue with Rip or have a story about how the Aliens were let out and why they were let out. With Ripley, well, continue with her being half-human and Alien DNA. She's not yet ready to go back to Earth, and AVP1 was set on Earth and the Alien species were what; fell down to the planet? That was why it open up for AVP1. Your call.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: jimmyboy on Sep 26, 2008, 10:36:19 PM
I thought the best thing about AVP2 was the ending
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: shakermakerman on Sep 27, 2008, 02:29:46 AM
You all sound like spoilt teens not getting their own way   :D  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Zetec on Sep 27, 2008, 05:34:14 AM
I think they should make avp3 but make it a decent movie this time FOX!!!! i dont think we need predator 3 because the avp movies are pretty much predator movies but with aliens.   Fox should fork out a big budget! get a great screenplay from a good writer! either have the brothers strause to return to direct (there not that bad) or get a great film maker! make the 'space epic' that us fans want! and end avp with a bang!  Once that has been done! make alien 5 with ridley scott! and then leave both the alien and predator to rest   :)  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Wolfs Girl on Sep 27, 2008, 06:55:59 AM
I just wish they would make up thier f**king minds! First they say there wil definitely be an avp3 and it will be set in space. And now they f**king say it's ditched and they are looking at P3/ Well, wtf, they can't f**king do a decent follow up film, what makes me think they have a clue at all? Fox just laves more of a bad taste in my mouth every damned day. Fire them all and get REAL filmmakers working!
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: star wars on Sep 27, 2008, 09:18:13 AM
the worst thing about avpr was the ending!
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Sgt. Marv on Sep 27, 2008, 09:55:02 AM
  :)     ;D     ;)     :o    Well... we just hope it's good. They better not relate Pred 3 to any AvP project. This film needs Mctiernan and Thomas Brothers to save it... save us... and maybe Fox?!  Alien Franchise ruined. dont bring Ripley back. keep it to Marines and scientists like Doom movie.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: XENOMORPH ALIENS on Sep 27, 2008, 01:43:11 PM
sounds good to me too but i am hoping they'll get a great script and a great director and most importantly a great director. no paul anderson or the brothers strause doing anymore avp movies, alien movies, or predator movies. i want to see another predator movie so badly!! FOX DONT RUIN PREDATOR 3 LIKE THEY DID TO AVP AND AVP-R!!
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: predatorwarrior8 on Sep 27, 2008, 01:47:02 PM
thats good that they are making a predator 3 but i wanted to see the new avp3 but they just sad its on hold it will come
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Bio Mech Hunter on Sep 27, 2008, 04:54:15 PM
The AVP franchise still has a lot of untapped potential. Even though I feel the Strause Bros. effectively mutilated our beloved creatures, canon, and the franchise, I don't believe it's beyond saving. There's plenty left to do. So long as Fox invests in a high quality film, sticks to established canon as a basis, and don't rush it. It's a very tall order for Fox Studios, though. *sigh*  Personally, I think both the Alien and Predator stand alone franchises have more than enough kick left for one last film each. But it has to be done juuuuuust right. Or their 'gonna crap on the fans again. And one more "Fox-crap-on-fan-film" might end up causing blood shed. lol    :P     :D  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: jimmylace on Sep 28, 2008, 12:50:51 AM
'we've done all we can with AvP' f**k YOU DAVIS - HOW ABOUT A FILM IN SPACE?!?!?!!??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!1
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: MrFacehug on Sep 28, 2008, 03:50:30 AM
Oh, and I read that script that RakaiThwei posted, and it was really good. If they just remove the team up and rewrite that part, I'd totally go with that script.
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Keyes on Sep 28, 2008, 07:06:11 AM
Personally I'd rather have Alien5 next with Ripley, but Arnold returning to Predator has to be the next best thing surely?
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Sulaco on Oct 01, 2008, 07:53:07 PM
I truley believe P3 will be like T3 too much time off and watered down, and huge disapointment. Better stick with AvP, because it can't get any worse. Please don't destroy the predator franchise FOX, but you will and I'll pay to see it! How f*cked up is that?
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: predatorfandrc90 on Oct 02, 2008, 12:52:22 PM
dude mayde they scored up with avp but theres alout they could still due and you have to admit the fight sceanes were good    ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: predatorfandrc90 on Oct 02, 2008, 12:56:01 PM
and i agree with alienmv they both were good even if they did mess up   ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: predatorfandrc90 on Oct 03, 2008, 12:52:19 PM
hey nish nish if you gave up hope on avp then you shouldnt be on this site
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: JordanLee on Oct 04, 2008, 08:43:45 PM
Well it's obvious John Davis would say this because the more and more involved he is with the films, the more and more Predator we get, because we know John Davis loves his baby!    ::)  
Title: Re: AvP Franchise Dead, Long Live Predator?
Post by: Plisskenetic on Oct 06, 2008, 09:13:20 PM
I don't believe the AvP films should stop at this point at all --- cos i don't think they've been given their justice yet!!!