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Author Topic: The Berserker Predator is nothing but a flat track bully lol  (Read 1129 times)

ChanceVance
Sep 20, 2021, 05:34:46 AM
Topic on: Sep 20, 2021, 05:34:46 AM
Seriously when you actually look at what the Berserker does in Predators, he doesn't really do much at all. 

His only kills are Stans, a guy armed with nothing but a shiv and the classic Predator who has been tied up for ages and is likely severely weakened yet it still puts up a good fight.

The Tracker kills Noland and has Nikolai on death's door. The Falconer duels Yakuza guy to the death in a fair fight. They actually take out the heavy hitters. The dogs get Danny Trejo and it's unknown who shoots the spear that kills Mahershala Ali's character. 

That jaw bone on his mask makes him look super cool and intimidating but he's a total fake tough guy. 


SiL
Sep 20, 2021, 06:03:52 AM
Reply #1 on: Sep 20, 2021, 06:03:52 AM
It's a great example along with Wolf of trying to tell, rather than show. We're supposed to believe these Predators are more intimidating, but three of them combined - with the odds stacked in their favour - can't achieve what the original did alone in the first movie.


Master
Sep 20, 2021, 08:01:16 AM
Reply #2 on: Sep 20, 2021, 08:01:16 AM
My theory was (and still is), that SuperPredators are poachers compared to those classic being hunters. Their gig is to set a trap and kill those maimed by it. That would expalin why they weren't any good in more traditional hunting/ fighting techniques.


Corporal Hicks
Sep 20, 2021, 10:32:16 AM
Reply #3 on: Sep 20, 2021, 10:32:16 AM
I've thought for a long time now that it should have just been the one single Berserker who went through all of that. Would have actually been badass to see one get blown up, sliced up and still make it to the end.



SpreadEagleBeagle
Sep 20, 2021, 07:54:10 PM
Reply #5 on: Sep 20, 2021, 07:54:10 PM
I feel like Berserker should've ordered Tracker to leave to go back to their encampment (guarding Classic) after the hellhound attack while Falconer kept watching from afar, even as Berserker gets "blown up" and shot (and later on hacked up and whatnot).

One of the people from Royce's team gets lost and ends up in the Super Predators' encampment and releases Classic after watching Tracker bullying and torturing him then knocking him out. As Tracker goes after Royce's teammate, Classic wakes up and finds his weapons and kills Tracker. Falconer's falcon records this and reports back to Berserker whom drops Royce & Co just about when they all are about to be killed by Berserker.

Falconer observes the hunt from afar and decides to follow Classic. The guy who released Classic runs into Royce & Co and let's them know about what he saw. They decide to try to help and communicate with Classic as maybe he will be able to  fly them back home to Earth (it's a long shot but Classic is their only hope really).

We see Falconer intercepting Berserker. They seem to argue, Berserker orders Falconer to go, but Falconer scoffs and comes up and brutally pokes one of Berserker's flesh wounds deep. Berserker roars and is to punch Falconer, but Falconer sidesteps and slices Berserker open...

Royce & Co run into Classic (he's bleeding). Classic first tries to kill them but they all drop their firearms, kneel and raise their hands. Classic grabs Royce and lifts him up by the neck and observe his face and skull and then drops him. Royce starts t drawing ships, stars and trajectories in the sand, vividly using hand motions trying to communicate, but Classic seems utterly uninterested in them and starts walking away. That's when Falconer arrives, slashing and throwing Classic around. Royce & Co assist Classic, whom wounds Falconer before taking another severe blow, the Yakuuza guy comes to the rescue and just like in the movie they both kill each other in the one same move.

Classic and the survivors (Royce and the Sniper lady) escort Classic to wherever he's taking them. He collapses several times and gets really aggressive when they try to look at his wounds. They end up at the Super Predator encampment, where a severely wounded Berserker is waiting, and from thereon the rest of the events follow the events of the movie.

That would make the Super Predators seem way more bad-ass and 'super', especially Berserker. 

« Last Edit: Sep 21, 2021, 01:22:28 AM by SpreadEagleBeagle »

SiL
Sep 20, 2021, 08:11:49 PM
Reply #6 on: Sep 20, 2021, 08:11:49 PM
That still leaves three Predators failing to be as effective or deadly as one original Predator. It's the same level of incompetence, just arranged differently.


SpreadEagleBeagle
Sep 20, 2021, 08:28:45 PM
Reply #7 on: Sep 20, 2021, 08:28:45 PM
That still leaves three Predators failing to be as effective or deadly as one original Predator. It's the same level of incompetence, just arranged differently.

Incompetence-wise - yes. But it would still make the Super Predators much tougher and stronger than previous Predators and just as skilled in combat. It would also make it so that the Super Predators can't be killed by humans unless a Predator has severely weakened and wounded them already before being taken down by a human. That is a lot better than what we got in the movie where three Super Predators plus a bunch of horned giant lizard dogs get their asses kicked by roughly the same amount humans - humans that never have met each other before and on top of that don't trust or like each other at all. So that is definitely an improvement even though it doesn't solve the (in)competence issue.

« Last Edit: Sep 21, 2021, 01:21:17 AM by SpreadEagleBeagle »

City Hunter Yautja
Oct 08, 2021, 10:47:10 AM
Reply #8 on: Oct 08, 2021, 10:47:10 AM
It's a great example along with Wolf of trying to tell, rather than show. We're supposed to believe these Predators are more intimidating, but three of them combined - with the odds stacked in their favour - can't achieve what the original did alone in the first movie.

To be fair these three are likely juvinals who are even less experienced than the three in AVP. Remember its game preserve/ training grounds. The Orig Predator is a graduate, he has already passed both this Game Reserve and likely the AVP temple.




Master
Oct 08, 2021, 06:56:15 PM
Reply #11 on: Oct 08, 2021, 06:56:15 PM
It's a great example along with Wolf of trying to tell, rather than show. We're supposed to believe these Predators are more intimidating, but three of them combined - with the odds stacked in their favour - can't achieve what the original did alone in the first movie.

To be fair these three are likely juvinals who are even less experienced than the three in AVP. Remember its game preserve/ training grounds. The Orig Predator is a graduate, he has already passed both this Game Reserve and likely the AVP temple.

It is very possible and I was talking about it through the years. Thing is we see next prey droped from above at the end and when screen goes black you can clearly hear another Predator clicking. In me head canon  it was master/ trainer of those three.


Lost_Hunter
Oct 08, 2021, 07:32:40 PM
Reply #12 on: Oct 08, 2021, 07:32:40 PM
Some great ideas being passed around. I think they each needed at least one more scene. Whether it was a cloak, skinning, med kit, etc. really would have helped. I always thought the one that spears Mumbassa was the Falconer because he doesn’t have a shoulder cannon. The two with the shoulder cannons are on the other side of the camp. Food for thought.


SiL
Oct 08, 2021, 09:00:24 PM
Reply #13 on: Oct 08, 2021, 09:00:24 PM
It's a great example along with Wolf of trying to tell, rather than show. We're supposed to believe these Predators are more intimidating, but three of them combined - with the odds stacked in their favour - can't achieve what the original did alone in the first movie.

To be fair these three are likely juvinals who are even less experienced than the three in AVP. Remember its game preserve/ training grounds. The Orig Predator is a graduate, he has already passed both this Game Reserve and likely the AVP temple.
That's not at all what the film suggests. This isn't a place for normal Predators, it's for this different breed. The film goes to lengths to show that these are supposed to be the bigger badder Predators, from showing a copy of the original tied up and ultimately defeated to Nolan comparing them like wolves to dogs. At no point is it suggested this is a training ground for juveniles.



 

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