Does anyone watch it!?
There has to be some of you out there...if so, please post your picks for this Saturdays UFC event...
Yeah I watch it! On a channel called Bravo here in the UK we only get highlights though.
Before we get people saying it's barbaric, Not 1 person has died in the UFC compared to other fighting sports.
I'm a fan of UFC, Pride, IFL...I love MMA. Just check out the UFC website on Sunday. They'll have some pics of the fights.
I watch sometimes.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Sep 21, 2007, 05:23:52 PM
came back with a trophie ever time I went ;D
You mean they even give a trophy to the people who take last place? :D ...How much did the UFC offer your friends and if they offer you the same, would you accept?
^lol funny.
Nice...good stories. Do you think you can take on Nate Diaz? But yeah, post some pics up. Even the ones of you getting hit.
All those guys you see like Nate Diaz are the best of the best in the world.
That's one thing I can't stand in the UFC and now it seems it's in the lower rankings too is people who talk smack about other fighters. Where's the nobility and respect for other fighters gone. I here it all too often with Tito - That guy is so annoying, I never want him to win because he's so arrogant.
PHANTOM - please don't be like all the rest, show respect to your fellow fighters and remain humble if you win. Don't go spouting shit like
"I thought he was going to cry, because when I kicked him in the chest he fell out of the ring and hurt himself Bahahaha!!!"
thats not sportsmanship, you will be respected more if you remain humble.
You don't have to act like this to prove your fighting prowess. Perfect example - Michael Bisping - Nice guy and tough as hell.
Honestly sometimes when i watch build up to fights and fighters are talking smack it really puts me off because they either sound like kids in the playground or a bunch of southern yokles.
Sorry PHANTOM but from your post you came across that way.
It's all about hype Darth_Spud... Almost all of the fighters respect each other. The UFC is great at promoting fights. I would rather watch a fight between 2 brutes trash talking then 2 fighters being sweet towards one another. That's just me though.
Phantom, can't see the pics.
Well it's uncommon in boxing (well over in the UK at least) I just think the sport is exciting enough without lowering the tone with talking shit.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 21, 2007, 07:10:28 PM
It's all about hype Darth_Spud... Almost all of the fighters respect each other. The UFC is great at promoting fights. I would rather watch a fight between 2 brutes trash talking then 2 fighters being sweet towards one another. That's just me though.
Phantom, can't see the pics.
I have to upgrade to pro that's why, shit! lol. Don't worry I'll get it to work.
There you guys are! I knew there had to be some of you around...good sh!t PHANTOM, keep it up...wish I could see the pictures but whatever...and Darth_Spud, I hear what your saying about the sh!t talking but in all reality the build up is what makes them their money...not the actual fights...the promotion is what gets people to order the events...the fights could then suck and be one sided but the money has already been made...also if I was fighting a champ...I would say to myself some of the same things these guys say...fighting is 50% physical and 50% mental...they have to mentally tell themselves that the other guy sucks and that they could take him and sometimes that entails sh!t talking out loud...
Quote from: Darth_Spud on Sep 21, 2007, 07:04:15 PM
Perfect example - Michael Bisping - Nice guy and tough as hell.
I guess you didn't hear what he said about Matt Hamill after that fight...a fight which he should have lost but took the win because it was in London... ;)
No I didn't actually, what was said? He's usually refined.
Joe Rogan was giving Bisping his post fight interview in the octagon as usual...and he's flipping out saying everything he did was better and that Matt Hamill was running away from him...when in fact Hamill was beating him in the stand-up and it was Bisping who was running away from him...
I'm not saying it's a big deal...it's just some stupid sh!t talk...I'm just trying to prove that everyone sh!t talks...it's really just part of the whole organization...
Just for the record I'm a Bisping fan, but what's right is right, he lost that fight...but it's that judge Cecil Peoples...worst judge ever in all MMA history... >:(
Yeah I think he may qualify for the worst name ever too ;D
Quote from: Darth_Spud on Sep 21, 2007, 10:17:09 PM
Yeah I think he may qualify for the worst name ever too ;D
;D
Oh man! Did any one watch the fights!? The Griffin/Tavares fight was none stop...Fitch/Sanchez was amazing...and FORREST GRIFFIN destroyed Pride import Shogun...the only fight I'm pissed about is the Liddell/Jardine fight...I'm a huge Liddell fan and he disappointed tonight...also lost $200 on him...but I made $450 on the other three fights so I broke out even...all in all, it was a good card, with great fights...
Quote from: PHANTOM on Sep 21, 2007, 05:23:52 PM
UFC is the best and I have a lot of respect for those guys, they are the best of the best in the world of Martial Arts
You know, they might be great fighters...but I doubt they're the best of the best in the world of Martial Arts...specially because this guys try too hard to prove something, and that, isn't what Martial Arts are about. Just my 2 cents... ;)
Quote from: Demonio Cazador on Sep 25, 2007, 06:28:42 PM
You know, they might be great fighters...but I doubt they're the best of the best in the world of Martial Arts
My opinion is different. I believe they are the best in the world at MMA. Who do you think are better fighters?
Quote...specially because this guys try too hard to prove something,
They are trying to prove they are the best in the sport.
I'm not saying that they aren't the best in the sport, I just questioned "the best of the best in Martial Arts" statement...
Ok...I'm just questioning who do you think is?
What I mean, is that the true Martial Artist doesn't crave competition, or needs to prove a point at a TV show...I don't know if you study Martial Arts, if so, maybe you're on a different stage of learning. Each Martial art has had great masters, so, depending on the techinique you can find names of great Martial Artists.
The ones I know about, Funakoshi Sensei, Nakayama Sensei, Enoeda sensei, Nihisyama sensei and Asai sensei to name a few. But that doesn't mean they are the only ones, just the ones I know about. ;)
Fedor Emelianenko will kick all of your Senseis asses ;D I know you're talking about the discpline aspect of martial arts. Fights such as the UFC and Pride tend to have the fighters not stay focused on what is true to the roots, right? Gotcha man.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 25, 2007, 08:10:46 PM
Fedor Emelianenko will kick all of your Senseis asses ;D
Unless he goes to the underworld or something like that...cus some of e'm are already dead!! ;D
BUt you got my point so it's all good! ;)
Quote from: Demonio Cazador on Sep 25, 2007, 07:42:58 PM
The ones I know about, Funakoshi Sensei, Nakayama Sensei, Enoeda sensei, Nihisyama sensei and Asai sensei to name a few. But that doesn't mean they are the only ones, just the ones I know about. ;)
Gracie was a master at
BJJ, and he was demolished by
Matt Hughes, who is a master at nothing more than being an a$$hole... ;D ...the fighters in UFC, PRIDE, etc, at least show their skills in actual combat...the only point I'm trying to make is, in the words of the great Bruce Lee, "Boards don't hit back"... ;)
Quote from: Gates on Sep 25, 2007, 10:11:28 PM
Gracie was a master at BJJ, and he was demolished by Matt Hughes, who is a master at nothing more than being an a$$hole... ;D
Is that supposed to be a good thing?
Quote from: Gates on Sep 25, 2007, 10:11:28 PM...the fighters in UFC, PRIDE, etc, at least show their skills in actual combat...the only point I'm trying to make is, in the words of the great Bruce Lee, "Boards don't hit back"... ;)
You said it...fighters...not Martial Artists, there's a huge difference, even with that Gracei guy whom I don't know...
Oh and BTW, Bruce Lee was awesome!!
But he also got served by Chuck Norris apparently...
Chuck Norris is gay... ;D
It's too bad a great man like Bruce Lee isn't alive to see how great martial arts has become. To me Bruce Lee was the first mixed martial artist when you think about it. He challenged all the whole martial art world by stating what works and doesn't in his experience in learning many different fighting styles, and combining it to his own into something very different.
He would have changed the world if he was still alive, so sad. Brcue Lee was way more than just a great fighter, he is a true legend and a leader.
And we all know what we humans do to all great leaders...........we assassinate them.
Quote from: Gates on Sep 26, 2007, 12:33:51 AM
Chuck Norris is gay... ;D
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmm I can see both points here, but the UFC fighters probably have more actual fight experience and of course they are all
MMA so have many styles to utilise.
Okay so, Saturday is UFC 77...these are the fights on the card that are scheduled to air:
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Rich Franklin vs. Anderson Silva - Middleweight Title Bout
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Tim Sylvia vs. Brandon Vera
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Eric Schafer vs. Stephan Bonnar
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Alan Belcher vs. Kalib Starnes
Who are your picks? I have my money on Franklin, Vera, Bonnar, and Belcher (only 'cause I hate Kalib)...Ace will get his belt back mark my words... ;)
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Above is the link to fighter stats and the rest of the fight card...
yeah, sorry if someone had posted this earlier but
i just heard last night on the news wire
RANDY COUTURE has just retired and given up his UFC HW title -
i'm not joking folks! RANDY had 2 fights left on his contract in the UFC,
Quote from: Gates on Oct 18, 2007, 10:34:36 AM
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- so the up coming
TIM SYLVIA vs.
BRANDON VERA HW bout fight is huge - rumor has it that the winner of this fight will fight another HW contender(not sure who?) for the UFC HW title vacancy in the near furture
Quote from: Gates on Oct 18, 2007, 10:34:36 AM
Who are your picks? I have my money on Franklin, Vera, Bonnar, and Belcher (only 'cause I hate Kalib)...Ace will get his belt back mark my words... ;)
Above is the link to fighter stats and the rest of the fight card...
I don't know man; Silva has been mowin' down all of his opponents. He's bad ass! I'm going for Franklin, but I can only picture their last fight and what an ass whoopin' Rich received. For the rest, Vera should be able to knock out Sylvia. If not, I'm thinking he can submit him. Bonnar, I'll always go for him. Great attitude that guy has. The rest, I just hope to see some good ol' fashion ass kickery. (Was I talking like Yoda?)
Franklin will be fighting with a lot of heart since his ass whoopin! From his last fight so Franklin FTW!
Sylvia always looks sluggish when he fights but he's a tough son of a bitch - Vera is a fast little shit and good on the ground but I think Sylvia FTW!
as for Eric Schafer vs. Stephan Bonnar I think Eric Schafer FTW because even with a name like The American Psycho ::), Bonner just doesn't cut it for me - he's not that grate a fighter so Schafer FTW!
The rest I don't give a f**k about as long as its war!
Oh BTW thanks to GATES for posting the line up ;)
Quote from: LAWNMOWERMAN on Oct 18, 2007, 01:02:17 PM
yeah, sorry if someone had posted this earlier but
i just heard last night on the news wire RANDY COUTURE has just retired and given up his UFC HW title - i'm not joking folks! RANDY had 2 fights left on his contract in the UFC,
Nope you're good, no one mentioned it...his leaving is a combination of three main factors;
A. Couture only feels that Fedor is a worthy opponent and won't fight anyone else;
B. Fedor's management is stubborn as fu<k and asked for too much money from the UFC to sign a contract; and
C. Dana White is a consummate a$$hole and treats fighters like sh!t and thus was not willing to pay Fedor the amount of money he wanted to fight in the UFC...so Fedor signed with a Russian MMA league and Couture retired the next day to pursue an
acting career...lame...
All three parties involved are at fault...who the fu<k does Randy think he is? Any fighter is worthy of your time. Who the fu<k does Fedor think he is? Word is he was asking for more than $2 Mil a fight. And Dana White is just an a$$hole and needs to be bought out...the whole situation is a sh!t storm and makes you wonder who the respective parties are paying to conduct negotiations for them... :-X
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 18, 2007, 02:13:57 PM
I don't know man; Silva has been mowin' down all of his opponents. He's bad ass! I'm going for Franklin, but I can only picture their last fight and what an ass whoopin' Rich received. For the rest, Vera should be able to knock out Sylvia. If not, I'm thinking he can submit him. Bonnar, I'll always go for him. [...]
I know right? Silva is a Brazilian animal...the guy is just vicious, he mauled my boy
Ace...but like you I can't help it...I put $200 on Franklin so he better pull through...I can't stand the way Sylvia fights, so I'm going for Vera...but have you seen a recent picture of Sylvia? He's looking big and in shape which could mean problems for Vera, we all know how much Sylvia loves that belt...
Quote from: Darth_Spud on Oct 18, 2007, 06:52:18 PM
as for Eric Schafer vs. Stephan Bonnar I think Eric Schafer FTW because even with a name like The American Psycho ::), Bonner just doesn't cut it for me - he's not that grate a fighter so Schafer FTW!
Yeah I will always like Bonnar but every since the steroid thing I lost alot of respect for him...here's hoping he shapes up and does the right thing from now on...and who the fu<k is Schafer anyway? Fu<k him! ;D
Quote from: Darth_Spud on Oct 18, 2007, 06:52:18 PM
Oh BTW thanks to GATES for posting the line up ;)
Anytime man! I love the sport and I love talking about the sport...hopefully we can convert a few more non-believers here so we can get this thread pumping... ;D
Quote from: Gates on Oct 18, 2007, 09:23:04 PM
Quote from: LAWNMOWERMAN on Oct 18, 2007, 01:02:17 PM
yeah, sorry if someone had posted this earlier but
i just heard last night on the news wire RANDY COUTURE has just retired and given up his UFC HW title - i'm not joking folks! RANDY had 2 fights left on his contract in the UFC,
Nope you're good, no one mentioned it...his leaving is a combination of three main factors; A. Couture only feels that Fedor is a worthy opponent and won't fight anyone else; B. Fedor's management is stubborn as fu<k and asked for too much money from the UFC to sign a contract; and C. Dana White is a consummate a$$hole and treats fighters like sh!t and thus was not willing to pay Fedor the amount of money he wanted to fight in the UFC...so Fedor signed with a Russian MMA league and Couture retired the next day to pursue an acting career...lame...
All three parties involved are at fault...who the fu<k does Randy think he is? Any fighter is worthy of your time. Who the fu<k does Fedor think he is? Word is he was asking for more than $2 Mil a fight. And Dana White is just an a$$hole and needs to be bought out...the whole situation is a sh!t storm and makes you wonder who the respective parties are paying to conduct negotiations for them... :-X
it's just a damn shame things had to go down this way and at the expense of the fans who have been waiting to see this fight for years. after all dust settles and the smoke clears from the court and legal battles, RANDY will just be
too old to fight FEDOR - i mean i just do not see WHITE given in and letting RANDY walk so easily, this could get really ugly. i just cann't believe it ???
guess TITO was right all along about WHITE all this time after all
Quote from: LAWNMOWERMAN on Oct 19, 2007, 01:21:01 AM
[...] i mean i just do not see WHITE given in and letting RANDY walk so easily, this could get really ugly. i just cann't believe it ??? guess TITO was right all along about WHITE all this time after all
Well that all depends on whether or not
Zuffa is going to go after him for this in court...it seems that there are all sorts of
possible inconsistencies in Couture's contract or rather, in the wording of the contract...
Zuffa and White may try to use the
retirement clause in Couture's contract to compel him to fulfill it according to terms laid out in the deal...the problem with the clause is that it appears to be an attempt to contract for a remedy, which is the proper role of the court...this also explains why Couture uses the word
resignation and White is using the word
retirement in all their press releases...the damn clause might be construed as an attempt by the company to compel specific performance through a contract in equity and the general rule is that courts will not compel specific performance of a personal services contract...however, according to
Corpus Juris Secundum, Couture is a unique property and is not easily replaced and therefore may be issued an injunction to prevent him from furnishing his services to another employer for the duration of the contract...which will fu<k him totally...
That being said, it's hard to imagine that
Zuffa is anxious to test the enforceability of it's contracts in court due to the sh!t storm that could accompany an adverse ruling...the company could face a legitimate fu<king labor crisis, were if key provisions of Couture's contract are to be found invalid, other fighters can then follow suit in leaving the company or demanding new contracts...which will completely destroy the UFC as we know it...
We can only wait and see what happens...my guess is they will settle out of court to prevent future problems...but I have been wrong before... :-\
Quote from: Gates on Oct 19, 2007, 10:39:47 AM
That being said, it's hard to imagine that Zuffa is anxious to test the enforceability of it's contracts in court due to the sh!t storm that could accompany an adverse ruling...the company could face a legitimate fu<king labor crisis, were if key provisions of Couture's contract are to be found invalid, other fighters can then follow suit in leaving the company or demanding new contracts...which will completely destroy the UFC as we know it...
So a potentially bad situation for both parties, I hope Randy gets a fair settlement to this situation but at the same time I would not like to see the UFC in a shit storm. Seems the UFC is at its height atm so any major changes could f**k all this up - bad for the fans and ultimately bad for the fighters if the UFC gets into any financial difficulty through major law suits.
PS - Predalien now! woot woot! ;D
Well needless to say I am fu<king disappointed...lost too much money tonight but whatever...here is a play-by-play of the three main fights of the night courtesy of Sherdog.com...
****************~~~~~~~~~SPOILERS~~~~~~~~~****************
Eric Schafer vs. Stephan Bonnar
Round 1
Schafer looked for a takedown early, but Bonnar had none of it. Schafer then pulled guard, where Bonnar landed a few punches from the top before Schafer got back to his feet. Bonnar was warned for gripping the fence, but Schafer still lifted him into the air and down to the canvas. Schafer then went to Bonnar's back, where he looked for a rear-naked choke. Bonnar fought the hold and cleared one of Schafer's hooks, which enabled him to turn over and out of danger. 10-9 for Schafer.
Round 2
Schafer again pulled guard to start the second. Bonnar fared much better with the position this time around, delivering punches to Schafer's head. Bonnar moved to side-control with Schafer pinned against the cage, where he landed with right hands until his opponent turned his back to avoid punishment. Referee John McCarthy stepped in to save Schafer at the 2:47 mark.
Official Decision - Winner: Stephan Bonnar by TKO (Strikes)
Brandon Vera vs. Tim Sylvia
Round 1
Sylvia, defending the clinch, squashed Vera against the fencing in the opening minute, which opened up the floodgates for boos. Vera slipped his way off the cage but went right back to the clinch. Vera cracks Sylvia with a left hand and kicks at the legs. Sylvia lands two knees to the midsection from the Thai clinch. 10-9 for Vera on the strength of the left hand.
Round 2
Vera landed a right hand to start the second round. Referee Yves Lavigne breaks up another clinch to restart the action. Sylia then rushed right in to clinch with Vera against the cage. The crowd showered the Octagon with boos. After getting Sylvia off-balance, Vera was able to trip him to the canvas and directly into side-control. Knees to the body landed for Vera, but little else. Vera then hit Sylvia with a knee to the head as he was attempting to stand, which prompts the referee to warn Vera for the illegal shot to a downed fighter. Sylvia throws a body kick and is hit with a right hand as time expires. 10-9 for Vera.
Round 3
A tired Sylvia showed urgency to kickoff the final frame. He landed a right hand before going back to the clinch against the cage. Sylvia opened up and lands a few punches. Vera told him to bring it on but he didn't mount any offense. Sylvia continued to throw punches while Vera, now bleeding from the top of his head, settled for two leg kicks. Sylvia dominated the final minute with his boxing to take the third round, 10-9. The judges score the bout 29-27, 29-28 and 29-28, all for Tim Sylvia.
Official Decision - Winner: Tim Sylvia by Unanimous Decision
Anderson Silva vs. Rich Franklin
Round 1
Franklin landed a left hand to start the main event. Silva clinched with Franklin and kneed the body and left leg. Franklin defended the clinch well and tripped Silva to the canvas, but the champion worked to his feet without any damage. A crushing spinning back kick landed for Silva. With his back to the fence, Franklin ate several hard punches. Rich recovered and landed a punch but Anderson answers with a right hand that drops Fraklin to the mat. 10-9 for Silva.
Round 2
Silva attacks and backs Franklin up against the cage, where he lands a few punches and several hard knees, the last of which send Franklin down and out. Referee John McCarthy steps in at the 1:07 mark. Impressive performance by Anderson Silva.
Official Decision - Winner: Anderson Silva by TKO (Strikes)
Here is the link to the play-by-plays of all the fights of the night...
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=9582 (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=9582)
I'm aggravated...Franklin was one of my favorite fighters...but he's finished...Silva mauled him again with ease, it was impressive and demoralizing all at the same time...it's a damn shame... :-\
^
great post analyst
was happy to see BONNAR get another straight win, he seem mentally focus and back on track now following his suspension and his two sub-par peformances last time out in the OCTAGON
i was surprised to see that the SYLVIA vs VERA fight went the distant - this fight built up to be a #1 top contender type matchup but its still unclear who will fight for the title vacancy in the HW division. there's no guarantee that SYLIVA is next in line, you still have the rising KONGO and few others in the division. i hear that the UFC has just signed LESNAR - so things could get interesting
as for THE SPIDER vs ACE fight - i was torn between the two. i was pulling for SILVA but i have all the respect in the world for FRANKLIN and his ability, he's a great athlete - if not the best one of the best out there
but i just love the way SILVIA fights - his striking is sick and MUAY THAI is impressive
another interesting bout on the fight card was the one between OKAMI vs MacDONALD
OKAMI victory puts him back in the hunt and the mix so to speak - before his eventual lost to FRANKLIN for the chance to fight SILVIA for the title, SILVIA was asked who would he want to face most, he said OKAMI because he wanted to revenge a DC lost to OKAMI years back
also thats not forget about PRIDE MW CHAMPION - HENDERSON as a future bout for SILVIA
Gates, all I can say is :o I knew it man. Sorry for the loss of your loot.
Here in the UK - SILVA vs FRANKLIN is about to start! ;D
Quote from: LAWNMOWERMAN on Oct 21, 2007, 08:19:25 PM
i was surprised to see that the SYLVIA vs VERA fight went the distant - this fight built up to be a #1 top contender type matchup but its still unclear who will fight for the title vacancy in the HW division. there's no guarantee that SYLIVA is next in line, you still have the rising KONGO and few others in the division. i hear that the UFC has just signed LESNAR - so things could get interesting
No Couture and no Fedor? I see Nogueira as the next Heavyweight champ...he will murder Sylvia and Kongo and 1-0 herb Lesnar... ;D
Quote from: LAWNMOWERMAN on Oct 21, 2007, 08:19:25 PM
also thats not forget about PRIDE MW CHAMPION - HENDERSON as a future bout for SILVIA
I believe so...but lets not forget, he beat Wanderlei, but lost to Rampage, who lost to Wanderlei...so you never know with these guys... :D
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 21, 2007, 08:53:59 PM
Gates, all I can say is :o I knew it man. Sorry for the loss of your loot.
Baaah...screw the money...deep down I knew though...but I'm an
Ace fan...I can't blow the new champ just 'cause he has the belt...I'm still going to be behind my fighter either way... ;)
Quote from: Darth_Spud on Oct 21, 2007, 10:29:11 PM
Here in the UK - SILVA vs FRANKLIN is about to start! ;D
'Way to rub it in
SPUD... ::)
Heard about Lesnar joining up with UFC a couple days ago.
I'm a WWE fanatic, the guy was a disaster in the WWE, he was a botch maniac, but I'm excited to see what he'll do in the octagon.
^Brock Lesnar?
the wait is over
it's official THE ICEMAN - CHUCK LIDDELL vs THE AXE MURDERER - WANDERLEI SILVA at UFC 79 NEMESIS
it's another dream matchup in MMA but yet my reaction is mixed.
which fighters will we see in the OCTOGAN. will see the one's that were once the most feared fighters at light heavyweight or will see the one's coming off back to back losses and seem to be at a crossroad in their respected careers
any thoughts
Hell Yeah! I can't wait to see this one. Great news man! I don't know who I'm going for though because I've been a fan of Silva longer. ahh, I won't sell out, Silva all the way. Gates, ready to place your bet? 8)
Quote from: LAWNMOWERMAN on Oct 30, 2007, 07:07:13 PM
it's another dream matchup in MMA but yet my reaction is mixed.
which fighters will we see in the OCTOGAN. will see the one's that were once the most feared fighters at light heavyweight or will see the one's coming off back to back losses and seem to be at a crossroad in their respected careers
So true...excellent point...since Silva will have to cycle off his 'roids prior to the fight I would expect him to come out looking like Shogun in his fight with Griffin...and Liddell? Well it all depends on how that last fight affected him I think...if he really took the loss hard then he's doomed, if it angered him then he's going to come out fighting like the madman he once was...
Here's hoping for the latter... :)
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 30, 2007, 07:26:38 PM
Gates, ready to place your bet? 8)
:D
You know me baby! I have Liddell all the way! :P
^ ;D
aslo on a sidenote the UFC held a press conference(WHITE and company) to address their stance on the COUTURE issue the other day
it was interesting
in it, WHITE called FEDOR out basically and said that he planned to offer RANDY a fight agianst NOGUEIRA some time in JAN 08 and if RANDY should walk away and retire then they plan to take the #1 and #2 contender and have them fight for the HW ttle instead in 08
not sure who exactly FEDOR is signed under but i think the UFC, RANDY, FEDOR and whomever he's signed under should just sit down and do an inter promotional fight/match, put together a good card and have the two fight - i mean i'm sure there's enough "$" to go around for everyone to come on top after the ticket sales, PPV, bonuses etc. for that fight
Any of you watch it last night? Great fights! Can't wait for the Urijah Faber and Jens Pulver match!
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WANDERLEI SILVA :D
Quote from: PHANTOM on Dec 13, 2007, 06:49:21 PM
WANDERLEI SILVA is going to kill Chuck Liddel!
A little late here, but boy were you wrong... :D
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Tito Ortiz Vs. Lyoto Machida
I have BJ, Silva, and Machida...there are of course other good fights but these are the major ones...check the rest of the card here (http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.FightCard&eid=1105)...
haha, you called it. BJ is a damn machine. This was a good one. How'd you like that Silva knock out?
Yeah I know I said that but was a long time ago. I still wanted Chuck to win, but Silvia still beat the crap of Dean Of Mean and that guy also beat Chuck. Silvia also kicked the shit out of Rampage in Pride.
haha...it's weird how that shit works. I can't wait till this weekend's fight though. Faber and Pulver. I'm excited for this one. My guess is Faber, second round submission.
Chuck did very well in that fight, he used ground game and striking which was extremely smart on his move. So I'm glad he won. But after UFC 84.................
I will never ever be a Tito Ortiz fan ever again! That guy clearly.....CLEARLY has his f**king mind on p--ssy and not being the champ. Jenna Jameson ruined Tito Ortiz.
There you guys are!
Quotehaha, you called it.
I made sick money...I also had Thiago Silva and that scrub Sokoudjou...never in my life have I called five fights from one event...ever... ;D
QuoteBJ is a damn machine.
Yes he is...he's my number two after Liddel... :)
QuoteHow'd you like that Silva knock out?
He did the
rape choke! Un-fu<king-believable...we honestly thought Jardine was paralyzed and going to be stretchered out...
Quotebut Silvia still beat the crap of Dean Of Mean
I would call it annihilation and nothing else...it was phenomenal... ;D
QuoteSilvia also kicked the shit out of Rampage in Pride.
And I would love to see him do it again...knees to the body, knees to the face and I'm one happy camper...
QuoteI can't wait till this weekend's fight though. Faber and Pulver. I'm excited for this one. My guess is Faber, second round submission.
My mind tells me Faber, but I can't help but want Pulver to
pulverize him ( 8) )...I fu<king hate Faber and not because I think he sucks...he's a great fighter but I just can't stomach that Cali bullsh!t for more than 20 seconds...
Either way, the fight has history making potential written all over it...and more importantly, it's free! :D
QuoteThat guy clearly.....CLEARLY has his f**king mind on p--ssy and not being the champ.
He did everything he could and was simply out classed...he tried to go shot-for-shot and failed, he tried to take him down and failed...what more can you ask of him?
Plus, Machida's base is karate and their fighting principle revolves around landing heavy counter-strikes and evasion...which was exactly what he did...
QuoteJenna Jameson ruined Tito Ortiz.
Wouldn't she ruin anybody? I know she would ruin me... ;)
I've actually started watching this stuff...it's pretty interesting. Especially when it gets brutal.
^ It's only gonna' get better Weasel. Keep checking it out and before you know it, you might find yourself choking out all of your friends.
Quote from: Gates on May 30, 2008, 03:14:17 AM
He did the rape choke! Un-fu<king-believable...we honestly thought Jardine was paralyzed and going to be stretchered out...
Hell yeah. Seriously homie, he looked crucified on the mat. Annihilation is the perfect word to describe that fight.
Quote from: Gates on May 30, 2008, 03:14:17 AM
My mind tells me Faber, but I can't help but want Pulver to pulverize him ( 8) )...I fu<king hate Faber and not because I think he sucks...he's a great fighter but I just can't stomach that Cali bullsh!t for more than 20 seconds...
Either way, the fight has history making potential written all over it...and more importantly, it's free! :D
haha...I'd like Faber a little more if he threw up a "Dub" rather than the "hang loose" sign. It's the Cali lifestyle that we live Gates, come try it out. 8)
Did you catch the hour long special on Faber/Pulver on the Versus channel? The WEC showing in Imax theaters. History potential indeed. See you back here on Monday!
Quote from: Gates on May 30, 2008, 03:14:17 AM
He did everything he could and was simply out classed...he tried to go shot-for-shot and failed, he tried to take him down and failed...what more can you ask of him?
He got scared and refused to attack the other fighter.
Tito talks some good shit, I'll give him that, but that's all that bastard does. When was the last time he kicked some serious ass? Ken Shamrock? That rivalry is a joke. He's a novelty act at best. Hell, eight of his fights went to a decision, one being a draw. As you said Phantom, he's just afraid to get popped. Most fighters welcome a punch to the face where as Tito runs from them. He says he has a good 3 years left, I say leave now. haha, I feel like a hater. 8)
I was so mad when I saw that fight, I was yelling at the tv the whole time like "WTF ARE DOING!!!" lol. Tito just f**king needs to like....go have anal sex with Jenna and just retire from the UFC, he makes me sick. All I wanted for him is to win one freakin fight, he made every mistake you could make in the cage....
Mistakes.....
1) Don't stand in front of your oponent all freakin day ::)
2) Don't shoot too far out for the take down :P
3) Don't waste your energy showboating ;D
4) Don't throw too many fakes :P
5) Don't wait for your oponent to make a mistake or else you'll be the one who gets knocked out.
6) Don't date a pornstar if you want to be the champ lol I mean seriously wtf Tito?!
I've been taking ju-jitsu for 2 years now and I love it. There is this guy next door to my dojo who sells MMA/UFC stuff, and he knows a bunch of UFC guys personally, it's pretty cool.
That's cool. What's your record?
I'm sorry. I have no idea what your talking about.
QuoteI've actually started watching this stuff...it's pretty interesting.
Join us or suffer the consequences... ;)
QuoteIt's the Cali lifestyle that we live Gates, come try it out. 8)
One day I'm going to take up your offer...and you will be cursing yourself for ever giving me the invite... ;)
Biggie and Pac may be dead, but the war isn't over...East Coast baby! :D
QuoteDid you catch the hour long special on Faber/Pulver on the Versus channel?
Hell yeah...Pulver's boxing + tennis balls + pull-up bar = a KOed Faber (or so I'm hoping)... :P
On a side note, do you feel that WEC amps up their fights better than the UFC? Or is it just me? Yeah they are both owned by Zuffa, and UFC has more money for ads but damn...that special had me tweaking...I can't wait...
QuoteHe got scared and refused to attack the other fighter.
Fair enough, I'm not saying he 'fought the good fight', but there were other factors involved...namely, the fact that his contract was up and he is not staying with the UFC...once he figured out he couldn't get him (first round) he played it safe to avoid a knockout...you're involved in MMA, you know how the business works, it's easier to shrug off a decision loss than a KO loss when in contract negotiations...I'm not saying that approach is cool but to some fighters, this is strictly business...
QuoteAs you said Phantom, he's just afraid to get popped.
After your only two TKO losses come at the hands of Chuck, wouldn't you? ;)
Quote1) Don't stand in front of your oponent all freakin day ::)
2) Don't shoot too far out for the take down :P
3) Don't waste your energy showboating ;D
4) Don't throw too many fakes :P
5) Don't wait for your oponent to make a mistake or else you'll be the one who gets knocked out.
6) Don't date a pornstar if you want to be the champ lol I mean seriously wtf Tito?!
1. When has Tito been known to be a smart stand-up fighter?
2. Again, Machida was being evasive and kept himself out of the pocket. Smart.
3. When has he
not showboated in a fight?
4. Lamest excuse, but whatever.
5. Yet he wasn't KOed. ;)
6. I'll give in on this one...most fighters don't even fu<k for the three months prior to a fight...weakens the legs, or so I'm told. :)
Bottom-line, Tito was outclassed as I said earlier... :P
Kimbo Slice is one crazy black dude, wouldn't mess that with fool!
I got one name for Kimbo, Fedor Emelianenko. Kimbo is a beast at the stand-up game but against someone like Fedor, he might not last 3 rounds.
So what did you think Gates? C'mon, let me hear it...hahaha! WESSIDE! And what about that Torres fight? It was damn good fight too.
Yo Chief...did you happen to catch the fights last night?
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What the hell!? Two broken limbs and a devastating knockout...Corey Hill's leg breaking is friggen nasty man...but he's such a paper thin bastard he deserves it...how are you gonna step into the octagon with paper legs like that?
haha, I did! I couldn't believe what I was watching. Hill's broken leg made me leave the room! Koscheck's knockout was picture perfect. Even "Quick" Swift smashed on that fool Goulet. Good stuff!
Do know when Steve Cantwell left the WEC? Wonder what happened to his belt.
Goulet should change his nickname to 'Glass Joe' from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! because I've only ever seen him get knocked out, repeatedly...
Just a rough night for some of the fighters altogether...it was for the troops so the brutality was expected...they did the soldiers justice...I'm curious to see how much they raised...and on a side note, were all those depressing stories/pictures necessary..?
As for Cantwell, his belt is forfeit...WEC's middleweight and light heavyweight divisions are being slowly folded into the UFC...Cantwell and ironically Brian Stann were two of the first fighters to appear in the UFC from WEC's ranks...
Quote from: Gates on Dec 11, 2008, 08:05:58 PM
...and on a side note, were all those depressing stories/pictures necessary..?
I'm afraid so. The news never shows what really happens to our troops when they get home. All we ever get are numbers. It was a great reality check for those who don't know. Damn, get me all emotional. ;)
Quote from: Gates on Dec 11, 2008, 08:05:58 PM
As for Cantwell, his belt is forfeit...WEC's middleweight and light heavyweight divisions are being slowly folded into the UFC...Cantwell and ironically Brian Stann were two of the first fighters to appear in the UFC from WEC's ranks...
So the WEC is going to be filled with the smaller dudes now, I can dig it. Most of the fights are more exciting anyway.
QuoteDamn, get me all emotional.
Sorry Chief, not my intention at all...but I guess you're right, people do need to know...
No worries man...8)
Did you see my man Faber get knocked out?
It was a lucky punch, but I was smiling from ear to ear - like this emoticon -> ;D
So Chief, the Last Emperor will be holding his throne for a bit longer... :)
He certainly will. Arlovski was looking good for the first minute too. :D
Did you see Faber choke out Pulver? Less than 2 minutes in the first round. That's three losses in a row for Jens. I think he should try and get one last win and hang up the gloves.
Who are you going for this weekend? You seem like a "Prodigy" fan to me, I know I am. 8)
QuoteDid you see Faber choke out Pulver? Less than 2 minutes in the first round. That's three losses in a row for Jens. I think he should try and get one last win and hang up the gloves.
Yeah I saw it... :-\ ...they fed him to the wolves but whatever, WEC has to take care of their guy I guess...but I really wanted to pummel the post-fight interviewer, when he asked him about his relevancy...when Jens started breaking down, I felt for him...
QuoteWho are you going for this weekend? You seem like a "Prodigy" fan to me, I know I am. 8)
You know it..! Screw that French-Canadian... :) ...here's my prediction; St. Poo is going to go for the superman punch and BJ is going to land a right uppercut on his chin, St. Poo lands face first on the mat - fight over..! :D
Yeah...I had to do something manly when Pulver's emotions got the better of him, so I worked on my motorcycle. haha...
Nice prediction! My guess is that BJ is going let GSP know who the champ really is and give him a good ol' American ass whoopin'. GSP is going to be leaving the ring battered and bloody. 8)
The circle of friends that I watch MMA with are huge St. Poo blowers - super-athlete this, super-athlete that - f**k him honestly...he isn't all that, Matt Sierra knocked him out with ease...
I'm really hoping BJ puts the beats on him, if only just so I can laugh manically at my boys... :)
BJ! BJ! BJ!
EDIT: Chief, check this out http://www.youtube.com/v/Cl-beMYQ-K0&hl=en&fs=1 (http://www.youtube.com/v/Cl-beMYQ-K0&hl=en&fs=1)...f**king hilarious...
GSP is gonna f--k BJ PENN up so badly! Poor guy didn't train right. Poor guy has no idea whats coming.
BJ was taking days off and shit, while GSP was training like a mad dog. Have seen his sparring partners for god sakes? Holy shit those guys are freakin killers, BJ is not ready for this fight. I personally think hes afraid of him.
BJ is gonna have to get lucky to win this fight, because if this remains a tactical stand up and ground game fight holy lord GSP is gonna muscle up on Penn like crazy and completely over power him with his conditioning. If BJ throws one of those lucky looping punches and it lands congrats on him then lol.
Get out!
No, seriously, you're basing all that on those countdown shows on SPIKE right..? Right...those shows are designed to inject drama and amp up the fight...being that GSP is the poster boy for the UFC they show him in a positive light...BJ is being portrayed as reckless...even Ken Shamrock says time and time again that his stint on The Ultimate Fighter was edited to portray him as the asshole coach...plus lately, UFC seems to have borrowed the old PRIDE concept of 'the good guy vs. the bad guy' and it's trickled down into their advertising/promotions...
If you think, for one minute, that BJ isn't ready for this fight or is scared - you are in for a rude awakening... :P
All that shit talk you just said lol wow. GSP f--ked PENN up so bad he quit before the last round came. I knew he would win, GSP trained with the best I saw it with my own two eyes!
I knew he would win, his training camp is freakin insane. Rashad Evans was his sparring partner for christ sakes lol who the who f--k was Penn sparring with in his training camp? Who? lol.
Shut up man...haha! GSP is the man.
Oh so now you think GSP is the man? Haha, oh you motha f--kas lol.
You and Gates just stood there bragging all day long like "yeah thats a good call bro! GSP is gonna get an American ass whooping and GSP is gonna get knocked by Penn".
Wow, thats a whole lot of shit talk that just got smashed all at the sametime, impressive lol. I mean, not just that I was right from the very begining, but my first post predicted perfectly 110% what was going to happen in reality, while Gates responded to me like if I was a 12 year old idiot who knew nothing about the sport :D
Damn holmes, you are one excited ass dude! As fans of BJ, we had to talk shit. He didn't perform as well as we'd hoped...I'm not sure about Gates, but it's not the first time I've been humbled.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Feb 01, 2009, 05:52:08 AM
GSP f--ked PENN up so bad he quit before the last round came.
As if I didn't have to hear that all weekend long from my own people, I have to come here and read
you...my boy across the hall duct taped a white towel on my front door...you can understand my frustration... ;)
QuoteAll that shit talk you just said lol wow.
Chief already explained so I'll skip...
QuoteI knew he would win
It was the
safe bet...safe bets are for pussies... :P
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 01, 2009, 04:57:35 PM
GSP is the man.
No he's not...
Quote from: PHANTOM on Feb 01, 2009, 07:11:04 PM
Oh so now you think GSP is the man? Haha, oh you motha f--kas lol.
Nonsense, he isn't the man...he's a
greasing coward, his cut man is suspended for rubbing Vaseline all over his back between rounds - that's why BJ's triangle attempts kept sliding down off his shoulders ...everyone is in an outrage over it and they have yet to decide what will be done to Greaser St. Poo (and again, being that he is the poster boy, I foresee a stern scolding at best ::))...
QuoteWow, thats a whole lot of shit talk that just got smashed all at the sametime, impressive lol.
Smashed by a cheating lump of shit...if in a sport I have to choose between playing fair and losing, or cheating and winning; I'll take the former and wake up every morning still able to look myself in the mirror...
QuoteI mean, not just that I was right from the very begining, but my first post predicted perfectly 110% what was going to happen in reality,
You can pat yourself on the back all you want, but BJ was the underdog, BJ put the weight on, BJ lost to him before; all of which practically make the pick and outcome for you...I'm his fan regardless of the odds, regardless of whether it doesn't look good for him or not, I'm backing him up because I'm no frontrunner...
At the end of the day, there is no one more disappointed than the fans...the fans that shit talked for their fighters, the fans that put money on their fighter, the fans that expected their fighter to show up in the ring...'cause let's be fair, Vaseline or not, BJ was gassed by the end of the second and couldn't aggressively continue...and I didn't put my money on him because that's what I expected out of him, that's for shit sure...
Quotewhile Gates responded to me like if I was a 12 year old idiot who knew nothing about the sport
Well I won't apologize for how you interpret what I say...that wasn't my intention but if you choose to look at it as such, well then that's your prerogative...I was simply making conversation...usually it's just the Chief and I bullshitting in here but I prefer a ménage à trois any day... 8)
And honestly, what's with this need to be a victim of some travesty..? They are only words on the internet, they should hardly have that kind of power...
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 03, 2009, 07:38:16 PM
I'm not sure about Gates, but it's not the first time I've been humbled.
My man, I'm a Chucky fan...I've been humbled several times, to say the least... :D
Quote from: Gates on Feb 05, 2009, 12:56:37 AM
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 01, 2009, 04:57:35 PM
GSP is the man.
No he's not...
I know. It was part of a bet I had with a cousin of mine, anywhere I talked shit, I had to profess of GSP's awesomeness.
Quote from: Gates on Feb 05, 2009, 12:56:37 AM
Nonsense, he isn't the man...he's a greasing coward, his cut man is suspended for rubbing Vaseline all over his back between rounds - that's why BJ's triangle attempts kept sliding down off his shoulders ...
I was telling the people that I was watching the fight with the same damn thing. They stated that's one of the many reasons why he's the champion, he's very hard to grab. I hate GSP and his fans even more now! haha...
Quote from: Gates on Feb 05, 2009, 12:56:37 AM
My man, I'm a Chucky fan...I've been humbled several times, to say the least... :D
I know the feeling, Faber, Arlosvski, Lesnar....the list goes on. 8)
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 05, 2009, 06:35:34 PM
I know. It was part of a bet I had with a cousin of mine, anywhere I talked shit, I had to profess of GSP's awesomeness.
Ah okay...you gotta man up when needed... :)
QuoteI was telling the people that I was watching the fight with the same damn thing. They stated that's one of the many reasons why he's the champion, he's very hard to grab. I hate GSP and his fans even more now! haha...
The amount of fighters who have complained about it in the past is staggering...'Mayhem' Miller had made numerous comments to the ref during his fight with St. Poo back in '05...he just came out of his hole two or three days ago saying how it's f**ked up that when he made the complaint he was blown off because of how bad of a beating he caught, but now everyone was making a big deal about it because it was done to BJ...it's even rumored that Matt Sierra's camp contacted Penn's camp weeks ago to inform them that St. Poo was a greaser and to watch out...then Hughes comes out screaming that is the reason he lost, which should be taken with a grain of salt - Matt has always been an opportunist...
Ironically enough, it was Chuck Liddell who spotted the Vase being applied and brought it to the commission's attention after the second round...I hate a rat as much as the next person, but f**k it, Chucky was looking out for my boy...I'll let it slide...
R.I.P. Charles "Mask" Lewis (http://www.wrestling-edge.com/wwenews.php?subaction=showfull&id=1236809810&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1).
I'm thinking of getting into MMA actually. Can anyone tell me how much time and devotion it requires?
I suppose it depends on why your doing it? Fitness and self-defense skills, or competition?
Well primarily the former. If the latter happens, it happens. The gym I'm looking to joining offers MMA classes I think 2 or 3 times a week.
I realize that if someone wanted to become a pro fighter and join the UFC at some point they'd have to be in the gym for a good 9 hours everyday training their ass off. But I don't have the time for that.
2-3 times a week sounds about right then. Maybe a run on your day off? For the fitness aspect I mean. Have you ever done any martial arts training before?
Nope, never. I've been boxing for about a year now, but I'm getting tired of it. Thing is, the gym where I'm currently enrolled is so money-driven, it's disgusting. They haven't given me a single shot at sparring and it's pissing me off to no end. When I started, my coach told me that within 3 months, if I kept up the routine of coming to classes, that I could get into the ring. Well that never happened. I've just been punching bags since day 1 and while it's necessary, it's bloody boring and repetitive. And the worst part is, I can't go into the ring with my own partner and spar because the gym doesn't allow people to do that unless they have an instructor with them. The only way to get a chance at sparring is to pay for private lessons, which I think is BS. Any other gym would at least give me a few tries in the ring to determine my eligibility for sparring, not base it on how much can I afford.
I'll admit, that does sound kinda retarded mate! Don't take offense here, but are you a small guy? That could be why, but then again, if you've been hittin the bags for a year now it still don't make sense!!
I'm 6'1", 165 lbs. Not huge, but I'm average, I guess.
Yeah, I'm the same height and 12 stone is about average lol. I'd stick with the boxing though. Just find yourself a grubby little back street gym mate, they tend to be better than the big places. More of a 'focused' atmosphere, if you know what I mean?
I know what you mean, the kind of gym you see in movies like Rocky. Meh, I kind of want to take it to the next level too; MMA seems like the next logical step. If not MMA, then wrestling. Boxing is fun, but the other two sports would be more physical.
I always wanted to study Wrestling, but Greco-Roman (which is what I think you mean) schools are practically unheard of over here :-\
MMA sounds right for what you want though. You might find it a bit of a learning curve, but you'd get there ;D
oh, good god. I've boxed for a very long time and let me tell you it's easier talking about it then doing it. One day routine for me was running for at least an hour (I did running drills that you wouldn't understand if I explained them to you.) Intense Heavy Bag for four to five rounds. Focus Ball for about the same and I used a professional Focus ball it's only about 6" and kept the bungies tight for fast and accurate punches. I jumped roped for 15 mins straight. I run 3 miles every other day. I'd light spar for two rounds and then I'd do at least 4 rounds intense sparring. We would do the punch mitts for about three rounds and shadow box when time allows us. This is me when I did it and I only did amateurs. Professional is much harder. I'm at 5"7 (still am) and 119lbs at that time, which was 6 years ago. I am now almost 30 years of age, and yes I was a featherweight. Good luck, it's not worth it. A hobby yes, a job unless you grew up doing it, no.
Edit: I almost forgot throw in 100 pushups in two minutes (My trainer was ex-army) and three minute situps he absolutely wanted it over 100 situps by three minutes. He would do this after the 1 hour running exercise. If only you knew what I went through with that 1 hour running drills. It would make you puke me just showing you. At least your eyes would get big.
I took boxing lessons back in the day. We started sparring almost immediately. Though I had to wear the headset and the big gloves because I was underage at the time.
Our place was dirt cheap back alley gym though, that only had one heavy bag (and is no longer open because a newer gym took all its customers and bankrupted it) and I have my doubts on my instructor's qualifications. I did run my ass off and learned good enough technique to not get my ass wooped in a real fight. I also learned how to throw south paw, while despite being right handed feels more natural to me. I have a tendancy to through looping rights out of the standard stance for whatever reason. I have less power, but better technique with my left hand in the southpaw.
We have an mma gym here in Htown run by Army NG guys. But I work in Rville and don't ever feel like doing anything when I get back home but eating and sleeping. Eleven hours a day at work plus an hour to and from. 8 hours of sleep. Just enough free time to relax and unwind. I doubt I'll see them anytime soon.
Boxing by itself is overrated against opponents with training in kicks and grappling. Our gym was right next to the tae kwon do guys and they'd come over to work on their hands. I got pissed one day at one of their younger students (he kept clinching and trying to throw me down) and took a swing at him. It landed, but he backed up and kicked me in the head.
You can kick a helluva lot harder than you can punch, it almost knocked me out. MMA is probably the better all around option if you want to learn self defense. Especially since more and more punks are learning it themselves. Boxing is fine against people that have no idea what they are doing or refuse to fight you the "unmanly" way.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 08, 2009, 01:58:07 AM
I took boxing lessons back in the day. We started sparring almost immediately. Though I had to wear the headset and the big gloves because I was underage at the time.
Our place was dirt cheap back alley gym though, that only had one heavy bag (and is no longer open because a newer gym took all its customers and bankrupted it) and I have my doubts on my instructor's qualifications. I did run my ass off and learned good enough technique to not get my ass wooped in a real fight. I also learned how to throw south paw, while despite being right handed feels more natural to me. I have a tendancy to through looping rights out of the standard stance for whatever reason. I have less power, but better technique with my left hand in the southpaw.
We have an mma gym here in Htown run by Army NG guys. But I work in Rville and don't ever feel like doing anything when I get back home but eating and sleeping. Eleven hours a day at work plus an hour to and from. 8 hours of sleep. Just enough free time to relax and unwind. I doubt I'll see them anytime soon.
Boxing by itself is overrated against opponents with training in kicks and grappling. Our gym was right next to the tae kwon do guys and they'd come over to work on their hands. I got pissed one day at one of their younger students (he kept clinching and trying to throw me down) and took a swing at him. It landed, but he backed up and kicked me in the head.
You can kick a helluva lot harder than you can punch, it almost knocked me out. MMA is probably the better all around option if you want to learn self defense. Especially since more and more punks are learning it themselves. Boxing is fine against people that have no idea what they are doing or refuse to fight you the "unmanly" way.
I hate MMA, probably because I boxed for seven years, and I believe in takes alot more disipline as well, that is my opinion. There are some good MMA fights but it's very rare. Most of the time they're on the ground....mounting each other....quite ghey actually. I know there are boxers who clinch but it's no where near as ghey as ground mounting another man. I guess to some it's not ghey as long as you don't look in their eyes. ::)
Believe me, I'd rather a fight finish on its feet too. And you can get amazingly technical in boxing if throwing hands is ALL you have to do.
But it doesn't matter if the guy has the training to take you down, or if he has the training to kick you. Unless you have stupid long reach, a guy is going to kick you before you get close enough to him to throw hands. Your biggest muscles in your body are used to kick, and the transfer of energy is much higher.
Army Rangers train in gracie jujitsu for its chokes and holds, and the marines have adopted their own MMA style. If it works, use it.
I doubt lots of mma guys could stand in a ring and beat a boxer in boxing. I also doubt lots of boxers can beat mma guys in mma. You can tell by a boxers stance he'd get taken down by low shooters and definately be succeptible to low kicks. We don't know how to stop that, because there isnt a need to defend that in our sport.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 08, 2009, 02:38:44 AM
Believe me, I'd rather a fight finish on its feet too. And you can get amazingly technical in boxing if throwing hands is ALL you have to do.
But it doesn't matter if the guy has the training to take you down, or if he has the training to kick you. Unless you have stupid long reach, a guy is going to kick you before you get close enough to him to throw hands. Your biggest muscles in your body are used to kick, and the transfer of energy is much higher.
Army Rangers train in gracie jujitsu for its chokes and holds, and the marines have adopted their own MMA style. If it works, use it.
I doubt lots of mma guys could stand in a ring and beat a boxer in boxing. I also doubt lots of boxers can beat mma guys in mma. You can tell by a boxers stance he'd get taken down by low shooters and definately be succeptible to low kicks. We don't know how to stop that, because there isnt a need to defend that in our sport.
I'm in the army...they teach Gracie's Jiu Jiutsu, and man it's ghey. I wish someone would fight me like that.
Depends. It has its uses, but in a street fight I'd be grabbing the grapplers nads, gouging his eyes and slamming his face in the concrete.
I imagine its more useful if you can sneak behind an opponent and immobilize him before he can react. Because there are some holds you can't get out of, its the transition to those holds that leaves the grappler in a bad position.
Remember though, before the UFC had rules the most dominant fighter in those tournaments was Royce Gracie. And thats when all the cheapshots and cheap hits were allowed. Of course, he's probably the best fighter to come out of that school ever.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 08, 2009, 02:46:29 AM
Depends. It has its uses, but in a street fight I'd be grabbing the grapplers nads, gouging his eyes and slamming his face in the concrete.
I imagine its more useful if you can sneak behind an opponent and immobilize him before he can react. Because there are some holds you can't get out of, its the transition to those holds that leaves the grappler in a bad position.
Remember though, before the UFC had rules the most dominant fighter in those tournaments was Royce Gracie. And thats when all the cheapshots and cheap hits were allowed. Of course, he's probably the best fighter to come out of that school ever.
yeah he had skill in his prime, however Boxing taught me alot and I know a person coming after me trying to grapple me better have an awesome chin. I'm pretty darn accurate and I wouldn't have gloves on, but for street fighting, boxing is not the best choice of fighting unless someone else just wanted to use fist as well, which nowadays is very rare.
The thing with grapplers is they are taught to duck under your fist to lift you up. Taught to lift you at the knees. Naturally this doesn't always happen, and still doesn't explain why people just don't kick the hell out of them when they come in.
Any skillset you have is better than just being a brawler. A drunk at a bar isn't likely to know kung fu, he probably is just a big mean ass.
Fighting an actual street fighter would be different I guess. I've never had that experience.
I've been in a few street fights in my younger days, most people just lean back when someone throws a punch. It's usually the first reaction. which of course leaves the person off balance. I don't know really, cause I've been on the ground fighting but it's just not my cup of tea.
Me either.
Urijiah Faber vs Mike Brown II was a good MMA fight. I'd rathe see that than all the ground and pound ju jitsu stuff.
Quote from: Wolf Assassin on Jun 08, 2009, 01:03:44 AM
oh, good god. I've boxed for a very long time and let me tell you it's easier talking about it then doing it. One day routine for me was running for at least an hour (I did running drills that you wouldn't understand if I explained them to you.) Intense Heavy Bag for four to five rounds. Focus Ball for about the same and I used a professional Focus ball it's only about 6" and kept the bungies tight for fast and accurate punches. I jumped roped for 15 mins straight. I run 3 miles every other day. I'd light spar for two rounds and then I'd do at least 4 rounds intense sparring. We would do the punch mitts for about three rounds and shadow box when time allows us. This is me when I did it and I only did amateurs. Professional is much harder. I'm at 5"7 (still am) and 119lbs at that time, which was 6 years ago. I am now almost 30 years of age, and yes I was a featherweight. Good luck, it's not worth it. A hobby yes, a job unless you grew up doing it, no.
Edit: I almost forgot throw in 100 pushups in two minutes (My trainer was ex-army) and three minute situps he absolutely wanted it over 100 situps by three minutes. He would do this after the 1 hour running exercise. If only you knew what I went through with that 1 hour running drills. It would make you puke me just showing you. At least your eyes would get big.
You were in the military, so I would imagine you didn't have much choice when it came to working out. And since you would've been a soldier, you had to be in tip-top shape so I don't think you can compare your circumstances to mine.
Right now, my problem is a lack of motivation. I used to box with my buddy, but he's away at uni, and if the gym just ignores me, then my feeling is why bother?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 08, 2009, 04:27:52 PM
You were in the military, so I would imagine you didn't have much choice when it came to working out. And since you would've been a soldier, you had to be in tip-top shape so I don't think you can compare your circumstances to mine.
Right now, my problem is a lack of motivation. I used to box with my buddy, but he's away at uni, and if the gym just ignores me, then my feeling is why bother?
This was WAY before i joined the Army I joined the army a little over a year ago. I'm just saying your probably in your 20's if your wanting to do it for a hobby then go for it. It's a very fun sport and a great work out that can get you and keep you shape, but if your wanting to do it for real (like what it sounded like you wanted to do) then it takes heart, conditioning, motivation, and determination. I can't tell you how many times I threw up from working out so hard. At the end of my amateur career I had 21 win 7 loses, two regional golden gloves (went for four) and alot of hard work that I couldn't do today. Good luck with your adventure!
Aah, recreational purposes is a definite yes. That's the first and foremost reason, is to keep me in shape and with any luck, some discipline lol. Also, let's be honest. In this day and age, you have to know how to fight. It's like swimming=essential skill.
Now actual amateur fighting, I don't think so. If it happens because my trainer thinks I could compete, then I'll look into it. But that's not my goal.
well it's an absolute must for recreational exercise. Best exercise in the world in my view. Sparring will take alot of hard work, it was my favorite thing to do but also wore me out the most, especially getting hit, you get use to it after awhile though. To get in shape I would absolute recommend boxing...MMA I don't know anything about and what they do. I just remember one guy my size coming in to learn the boxing side of it and he couldn't take mulitple punches and he got tired really fast.
I just got back from the gym I'm thinking of joining. They offer one week of free classes, so what I'm going to do is go out to a wrestling class, then conditioning, then MMA. The guy who gave me a tour of the facility said that MMA is a great sport, but it would be wiser to start with conditioning to get me back into the routine of working out, then take up wrestling. Then if I'm feeling confident or ready within 6-8 weeks, or even a year and I've got that wrestling based, go for MMA.
good luck doom, it's an adventure. Especially when you do the weight loss/weight gain stuff. If you guys do that.
I remember throwing steady punches at the heavy bag nonstop for even a couple of minutes was some of the best cardio I ever got.
I can run at a steady pace forever, so running in itself was never good enough.
Do you watch UFC ? If yes, Who is your fav fighter ?
Love UFC. And it's all about Tito Ortiz for me.
Gotta give some love to Bisping aswell, representing the UK lol :D
Just got interested in it after the hype surrounding Lesnar vs. Couture last year. I have friends at school who always speak of it, so there ya go. In any event, I haven't seen any fights lately and don't keep up with the info and roster that much, but I'm really looking forward to Lesnar vs. Mir in July ;D
I wasn't hugely into it at first. But I love watching it nowadays. Especially the smaller guys. Their fights seem to just be so much more brutal than the big guys ;D
Here's a question: why is Lesnar so disliked by the UFC crowd? As soon as he joined and got his title shot, people almost seemed livid. I remember hearing boos after he beat Randy.
I haven't seen it in a while, so forgive the stupid question, but are you talking about Brock Lesnar DoomRulz? ???
The one and only.
Quote from: Lionhart on Jun 13, 2009, 08:11:14 PM
Do you watch UFC ? If yes, Who is your fav fighter ?
Saw UFC, wanted to learn, joined TSKMMA, so far high green belt, signed on for two COC tournaments, won some fights, lost some fights and still lovin UFC on spike tv ;D
Tito Ortiz is the man, don't have a favorite really, keeping my eye on Lyoto Machida at the moment.
Machida is the KING:)
Brock is hated because he came from WWF and only has like 3 fights in the UFC and now he is the heavyweight champion, People cant stand that I guess LOL...
My fav fighter is Fedor Emilianenko , But he is not fighting in the UFC, I like Quinton Rampage Jackson , Machida aswell...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 14, 2009, 08:27:40 PM
The one and only.
Did he start out in the UFC like Ken Shamrock, or did he make the jump from WWF?
At least that'll shut up some of the boo boys who say that WWF wrestlers can't really fight I suppose :D
He started in WWE, left WWE for NFL, didnt get into NFL, so then went into MMA
Quote from: Vulhala on Jun 15, 2009, 07:33:06 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 14, 2009, 08:27:40 PM
The one and only.
Did he start out in the UFC like Ken Shamrock, or did he make the jump from WWF?
At least that'll shut up some of the boo boys who say that WWF wrestlers can't really fight I suppose :D
Lesnar is a monster. He's the only fighter I know of who's had to
cut weight to join the UFC.
Lesnar is going to defend his crown against Frank Mir in the long-awaited rematch at UFC 100. Do you think Mir can beat him again? Personally, I think Lesnar learned from his mistake and will come out on top...I can't count out Mir yet though, the guy knows his submissions...can't wait!
The only problem I have with Lesnar is that he leaves his arms and legs dangling about for people to latch onto.
He's only fought a couple of brawlers and a wrestler aside from Mir who he has lost against.
Mir will grab those arms and bar them or get him in a heel hook if he just leaves everything unprotected.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jun 16, 2009, 10:15:07 PM
Lesnar is going to defend his crown against Frank Mir in the long-awaited rematch at UFC 100. Do you think Mir can beat him again? Personally, I think Lesnar learned from his mistake and will come out on top...I can't count out Mir yet though, the guy knows his submissions...can't wait!
I dunno, Mir seems a bit cocky to me. I remember reading an article where all he did was badmouth Lesnar and said "he has no submission moves". I hope Mir loses, just to spite the guy.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 17, 2009, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Jun 16, 2009, 10:15:07 PM
Lesnar is going to defend his crown against Frank Mir in the long-awaited rematch at UFC 100. Do you think Mir can beat him again? Personally, I think Lesnar learned from his mistake and will come out on top...I can't count out Mir yet though, the guy knows his submissions...can't wait!
I dunno, Mir seems a bit cocky to me. I remember reading an article where all he did was badmouth Lesnar and said "he has no submission moves". I hope Mir loses, just to spite the guy.
Spite the former champion who was crippled in a motorcycle accident and has spent the last few years in PT and training to get his life back and is now fighting a guy who is famous for being a pro wrestler who gets fast tracked cherry picked fights?
I'm just trying to understand.
Aahhh...sucks to be Mir, what can I say. And how was Lesnar cherry picking his fights? Dana White gave him a legit title shot.
A legit shot FAR faster than anyone previously.
As far as cockiness goes too check out the tail end of the Lesnar v. Heath Herring, it's absolutely tasteless.
Quote from: Peteysodes on Jun 17, 2009, 06:25:18 PM
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I'm just trying to understand.
Lesnar is Dana White's cash cow.
You were...must be the "New-guyatits" that you're suffering from. Not to worry, you'll get better with time. ;)
Kimbo Slice is going to be on TUF 10.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 14, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
Here's a question: why is Lesnar so disliked by the UFC crowd? As soon as he joined and got his title shot, people almost seemed livid. I remember hearing boos after he beat Randy.
Because he's loud, stupid and an idiot, and shows exactly where this sport is going with hand picked "fights". Luckily, he's actually really strong, if not tough.
Dana gets on my nerves. Yes he deserves credit for reintroducing an underground sport to the majority of the masses. But his marketing of the UFC is seriously flawed.
Its becoming exactly like pro boxing before pro boxing started sucking. Moved to pay channels (or in this case PPV), the cards for two out of three matches in the UFC serials being freaking terrible and having no relevance (Franklin vs Sylvia........), and his own flipflopping. He calls out Kimbo Slice.........and introduces Lesnar.
Now that the hype for Lesnar is dying down, he is going to introduce Kimbo Slice into the UFC by the way of TUF 10 heavyweights.
I have no doubt that if Kimbo doesn't pull another Elite XC against a light heavyweight and looks decent going into the semifinals, dana will find a way to put Kimbo in the cage with Lesnar.
Its these same kind of promotions that killed boxing. Nobodys fighting nobodys that nobody wants to see. You literally have to wait six months to see any kind of real shit go down.
The best part of the UFC is TUF, because at least you get to see good young prospects early in their careers before they end up on PPV.
The WEC actually was more entertaining even if they weren't stocked with the higher level fighters. Everything was televised, and their lighter weight divisions are hardcore. How long will that last though now that Dana has his mitts on it.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 19, 2009, 12:59:24 AM
Its becoming exactly like pro boxing before pro boxing started sucking. Moved to pay channels (or in this case PPV), the cards for two out of three matches in the UFC serials being freaking terrible and having no relevance (Franklin vs Sylvia........), and his own flipflopping. He calls out Kimbo Slice.........and introduces Lesnar.
Its these same kind of promotions that killed boxing. Nobodys fighting nobodys that nobody wants to see. You literally have to wait six months to see any kind of real shit go down.
I would rather watch two slugging boxers go at it then two guys hugging and mounting each other. I still remember the first time I watched MMA, my buddy was like "Dude, spike is showing some bad ass fights with some bad ass fighters for free, it'll be a slug fest!" So me and my wife kick on the tube (we're both big major boxing fans) we're all amped because they have smaller gloves and I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. The fights came on. I noticed ALOT of hugging, holding and mounting. My wife got up and said "This is gay, this is exactly what we do in bed unfortunately it's two guys doing it and I'm not into that kind of porn. I'm done." Can't really blame her, Haven't really seen too many fights after that. I however watch some *classic MMA/UFC fights* because we have a guy here at work who loves MMA/UFC, out of all the shows I watched with him I maybe seen three that are up to par with a mediocre boxing match.
I'm a fan of both, but boxing is really diluted right now with the different organizations and the way to many different weight classes.
I don't care if your the 150 champion in the 150 weight class. Because thats a bullshit class. Go 155 and be a light weight. Or drop to 130 and be a featherweight. Lots of boxers jump into classes just because the talent in them is weak.
MMA allows the clinch (but you can throw all types of shit in their clinches) and wrestling to recover. Obviously the stances are different because you have to protect against kicks and takedowns. A boxer using a high stance specifically designed to protect his chest and head would get killed with low leg kicks.
So some of their boxing is going to look sloppy. Lots of them having boxing backgrounds, and Brian Bowles just beat an olympic/professional boxer not to long ago. It was odd though, Bowles had the advantage early with his boxing, but the boxer utilized a muay thai stance and stole some of the momentum back.
For every Tuf 1 finale (or forrest griffin vs rampage jackson), Urijiah Faber vs Jens Pulver I (or mike brown 2), Torres vs Mizugaki (or yoshiro maeda) etc mma get they also get tons of people laying on each other trying to catch their breath.
Which can make the fights extremely f**king boring.
Quote from: Xhan on Jun 19, 2009, 12:48:59 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 14, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
Here's a question: why is Lesnar so disliked by the UFC crowd? As soon as he joined and got his title shot, people almost seemed livid. I remember hearing boos after he beat Randy.
Because he's loud, stupid and an idiot, and shows exactly where this sport is going with hand picked "fights". Luckily, he's actually really strong, if not tough.
Lesnar is a great fighter. His amateur background is wrestling is a great thing for him to have because wrestling comprises a great part of MMA. How is he an 'idiot'?
I think Mir will take him.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 19, 2009, 10:02:38 PM
Quote from: Xhan on Jun 19, 2009, 12:48:59 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 14, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
Here's a question: why is Lesnar so disliked by the UFC crowd? As soon as he joined and got his title shot, people almost seemed livid. I remember hearing boos after he beat Randy.
Because he's loud, stupid and an idiot, and shows exactly where this sport is going with hand picked "fights". Luckily, he's actually really strong, if not tough.
Lesnar is a great fighter. His amateur background is wrestling is a great thing for him to have because wrestling comprises a great part of MMA. How is he an 'idiot'?
I'm going to assume you've heard the words coming out his mouth, and these smattering of verbal awesomeness are what people have COACHED him to say... dredge up his uncoached promos for supreme auditory amazingness. He was never seriously challenged during his amateur career, and given his size, that's not really a surprise. Let's take a look at a similar "vehicle", Goldberg. Goldberg earned his football spot, unlike someone who got drummed out for crap attitude and failure to execute. Goldberg has been accused of being greased, and as far as the WWE is concerned, it's true. Same with Lesnar. Goldberg has also been accused of selling WAY too stiff, particularly with older wrestlers, also true. Lesnar on the other hand, didn't bother to keep the fundamentals after being promo-ed, and actually hurt more people by miscues and sloppy execution than overdoing it. He's basically a stronger version of Kevin Nash, with all the same issues and half the professionalism. Lesnar isn't a fighter, he's simply a bully with a legitimate means to ply his trade, and it shows even a circus-filled atmosphere like UF.
Don't compare Lesnar to Goldberg. Goldberg has very little wrestling ability, and was green as f**k. He has a reputation for injuring people he's wrestled. Hell, he's the one who ended Bret Hart's wrestling career. Lesnar never f**ked up like that.
Helluva fight between Diego Sanchez and Guida yesterday.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 21, 2009, 05:47:25 AM
Don't compare Lesnar to Goldberg. Goldberg has very little wrestling ability, and was green as f**k. He has a reputation for injuring people he's wrestled. Hell, he's the one who ended Bret Hart's wrestling career. Lesnar never f**ked up like that.
I already mentioned that he developed a reputation for selling too stiff, and Goldberg apologized for f**king up Hart, Lesnar f**ked up plenty of folks, just not as high profile, and he's a hell of lot sloppier than Goldberg was when he was new, much less now and that includes UF. Hart was already wrestling directly after getting a another previous concussion at the time, Bret Hart ended Bret Hart's career.
How can you accuse Lesnar of f**king people up now that he's a UFC fighter? Those shots are supposed to connect, so if you get f**ked, it's not because you're opponent isn't selling the shots. It's because the shots actually connect.
Unless I misread you...
Quote from: Xhan on Jun 21, 2009, 11:58:56 PM
I already mentioned that he develped a reputation for selling too stiff, and Goldberg apologized for f**king up Hart, Lesnar f**ked up plenty of folks, just not as high profile,
I'm failry certain the only person injured by Lesnar was Bob Holly, and that because Holly was trying to be a dick, and sandbag a powerbomb
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 22, 2009, 04:04:22 PM
How can you accuse Lesnar of f**king people up now that he's a UFC fighter? Those shots are supposed to connect, so if you get f**ked, it's not because you're opponent isn't selling the shots. It's because the shots actually connect.
Unless I misread you...
No, he's still sloppy, it's just that now it doesn't matter.
QuoteI'm failry certain the only person injured by Lesnar was Bob Holly,
He f**ked up plenty of dark matches.
Quote from: Xhan on Jun 22, 2009, 11:06:16 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 22, 2009, 04:04:22 PM
How can you accuse Lesnar of f**king people up now that he's a UFC fighter? Those shots are supposed to connect, so if you get f**ked, it's not because you're opponent isn't selling the shots. It's because the shots actually connect.
Unless I misread you...
No, he's still sloppy, it's just that now it doesn't matter.
How is he sloppy?? I'm still not understanding your postion. He almost KO'ed Couture in the title match, and he took down Heath Herring with one punch.
Quote from: Xhan on Jun 22, 2009, 11:06:16 PM
He f**ked up plenty of dark matches.
Who was he wrestling?
As I said, he's really really strong, but in the NFL he was censured for among other things... being sloppy on his route coverage and late hits.
Edge, Haas, and Angle that I can recall offhand.
Woooooo, UFC 100 was ACE. Brock Lesnar retains the title ;D ;D ;D
f**k YOU FRANK MIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frank got rolled over.
I was happy that Hendo clobbered Bisping though. Bisping is one of the most annoying fighters in mma. I also had GSP over Thiago.
2/3 on the main card this time.
GSP vs Quick Swick next?
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 12, 2009, 05:27:06 AMFrank got rolled over.
Ya well, he made the same mistake Lesnar did in their first bout: got stupid. Had he kept his distance and maintained a little more balance, I think Mir might've had a chance. But once a monster like Lesnar is on top and starts landing right hands, you're finished. No question.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 12, 2009, 05:27:06 AMI was happy that Hendo clobbered Bisping though. Bisping is one of the most annoying fighters in mma.
Honestly, I was rooting for Bisping. Hendo sounds like he has a major ego problem.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 12, 2009, 05:27:06 AMI also had GSP over Thiago.
That was no contest. GSP is a master at takedowns and Thiago had zero ability to counter.
Ii thought his raw strength would've made a bigger difference.
GSP did whatever he wanted with him.
I was three for three but I thought Thiago had me thinking.
You thought he had a chance?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 12, 2009, 06:27:17 AM
Ya well, he made the same mistake Lesnar did in their first bout: got stupid. Had he kept his distance and maintained a little more balance, I think Mir might've had a chance. But once a monster like Lesnar is on top and starts landing right hands, you're finished. No question.
There was nothing stupid about Mir's fight plan, nor did he make any mistakes. Do you honestly think Mir had a chance if he kept his distance? Brock is bigger, stronger, and faster and would have closed the gap at will. Mir's only hope was for Brock to make a mistake or if he had a rock and a sling. Mir got what asked for. Did you like Brock's interview with Joe in the ring? Hilarious!
I am glad that Henderson destroyed Bisping, especially that flying Superfly Snucka right hand for good measure, punch at the end! Devastating!
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 13, 2009, 02:46:15 PM
There was nothing stupid about Mir's fight plan, nor did he make any mistakes. Do you honestly think Mir had a chance if he kept his distance? Brock is bigger, stronger, and faster and would have closed the gap at will. Mir's only hope was for Brock to make a mistake or if he had a rock and a sling. Mir got what asked for.
I will admit, there were a few times in that fight when I thought Lesnar was going to tumble over when he had Mir by the legs. That would've been Mir's only chance to see if he could go for a submission hold.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 13, 2009, 02:46:15 PMDid you like Brock's interview with Joe in the ring? Hilarious!
Brock's interview was sheer gold. The line about Coors Light and banging his wife had everyone in the bar cheering, even those who were booing him on his way to the octagon.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 13, 2009, 02:46:15 PMI am glad that Henderson destroyed Bisping, especially that flying Superfly Snucka right hand for good measure, punch at the end! Devastating!
That punch was
brutal. The whole bar I was at, in unison, shouted "OHHHH!!!!". I definitely didn't want to be Bisping at that time.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 13, 2009, 06:38:16 AM
You thought he had a chance?
Yeah, because its the same advantage Lesnar has over all the other heavyweights. He's stronger than everybody else.
Thiago is stronger than most everybody at 170, they said it isn't unusual for him to walk around at 200. Thats five lbs lighter than light heavyweight.
GSP is just technically superior.
Thiago is a big guy, I'll give him that. I was surprised he's in the welterweight division though. At close to 200, wouldn't that make him a light heavyweight?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 12, 2009, 06:27:17 AM
Hendo sounds like he has a major ego problem.
Actually it's the other way around really...Bisping was acting all kinds of irritating on TUF and Hendo was all sorts of humble, saying things to the affect of 'I'll do all my talking in the octagon'...and he did... :)
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 13, 2009, 02:46:15 PM
Did you like Brock's interview with Joe in the ring? Hilarious!
I can't stand the guy, as Xhan has mentioned, he's a stunning indication of where the sport is headed and I don't like it...money says, Fedor will destroy him (whenever they sign him)...
QuoteI am glad that Henderson destroyed Bisping, especially that flying Superfly Snucka right hand for good measure, punch at the end! Devastating!
Loves it...hopefully, as Hendo said, that will keep his mouth shut... :)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 13, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
I will admit, there were a few times in that fight when I thought Lesnar was going to tumble over when he had Mir by the legs.
Forget the submissions, did you notice everytime Brock was hit in the face (maybe four or five strikes) he turtled up..? That tells me that as big as he is, he don't like getting punched...that speaks volumes...
QuoteAt close to 200, wouldn't that make him a light heavyweight?
He walks around at close to 200, cuts to 170 for the weigh-ins then gains as much as 12-15lbs right before the fight...St. Poo does the same except he's not as big so he only gains 9-11lbs, so even though they are fighting for the welter title - St. Poo and Thiago stepped into the octagon at around 181 and 195, respectively...
Cutting and gaining weight is a huge skill-set for these guys...
Typically if your functional with your body at all a 200 lb guy will typically have a strength advantage.
Your doing all your lifting, and running, etc with the added weight to your frame, so when you cut weight your really only losing water, and fat but you've trained with all that extra weight on your body, so it leaves you with a strength advantage.
I'd say 9 out of 10 guys that are welterweights at 170 that let themselves blow up to 200 are stronger than the guy that stay in between 170-180.
Its like Lesnar at weigh ins. He weighed in at 265. I bet he fought at 285, or 290.
It also gives you extra bulk to use in the contest. Your not throwing around a 170 lb guy. Your throwing around a 200 lb guy. It makes it harder.
So GSP overcame a likely strength advantage by Thiago, as well as a severe weight disadvantage.
Quote from: Gates on Jul 14, 2009, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 13, 2009, 02:46:15 PM
Did you like Brock's interview with Joe in the ring? Hilarious!
I can't stand the guy, as Xhan has mentioned, he's a stunning indication of where the sport is headed and I don't like it...money says, Fedor will destroy him (whenever they sign him)...
This...I just. Don't. Get. It. Everyone seems to hate Lesnar, just for the sake of hating him. He's an indication of where the sport is going? What the hell does that mean? He's just being himself. Nothing wrong with that.
Quote from: Gates on Jul 14, 2009, 09:14:44 PM
Forget the submissions, did you notice everytime Brock was hit in the face (maybe four or five strikes) he turtled up..? That tells me that as big as he is, he don't like getting punched...that speaks volumes...
Never noticed that. In any event, he may not like getting punched, but that doesn't mean he can't take them. Big difference.
Quote from: Gates on Jul 14, 2009, 09:14:44 PM
Cutting and gaining weight is a huge skill-set for these guys...
No kidding. Lesnar had to cut at least 30 lbs after he left the WWF, and now he's got to maintain his weight. He said not too long ago he was busy trying to put weight back on.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 15, 2009, 05:33:07 AM
This...I just. Don't. Get. It. Everyone seems to hate Lesnar, just for the sake of hating him. He's an indication of where the sport is going? What the hell does that mean? He's just being himself. Nothing wrong with that.
No...nothing wrong at all...
except, he acknowledges that he 'wasn't himself' when he made a full apology at the post-fight conference, after he was reprimanded by Dana for acting completely unprofessional...
I doubt I have to post up the definition of
apology... ;)
QuoteNever noticed that. In any event, he may not like getting punched, but that doesn't mean he can't take them. Big difference.
We'll see...
Quote from: Gates on Jul 17, 2009, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 15, 2009, 05:33:07 AM
This...I just. Don't. Get. It. Everyone seems to hate Lesnar, just for the sake of hating him. He's an indication of where the sport is going? What the hell does that mean? He's just being himself. Nothing wrong with that.
No...nothing wrong at all...except, he acknowledges that he 'wasn't himself' when he made a full apology at the post-fight conference, after he was reprimanded by Dana for acting completely unprofessional...
I doubt I have to post up the definition of apology... ;)
Hm, I did hear about the apology. I will say this: Lesnar was a bit stupid for taking his loss against Mir so personally. It may have been luck, but Mir won fair and square. It's nothing to be angry about.
What it boiled down to and the reason he did act the way he did is that he's a sore loser.
Is anyone else excited to see the Fedor vs. Barnett fight, August 1st? It's gonna' be a good one.
Bets, anyone? 8)
Who dares bet against Fedor..? :D
Fedor's one of the bigger guys, right?
He's not huge, he's just got skillz.
Well, huge for a heavyweight.
Size is not everything. It's also about having the skill to back it up, and I have yet to see a fighter than can match Brock's wrestling abilities.
Fedor will kill Lesnar.
One hopes.
I just looked this Fedor guy up. He's got a great record, but Lesnar has a good chance of winning.
His contract is up with the other organization after his next fight. Dana has already said he's going after him with an open checkbook.
Cool I look forward to it then. I still think people shouldn't be counting Lesnar out already.
Not counting him out by any means... he's not particularly tough or skilled. But he trains hard, and he's stronger than f**k... which under the current rule set and matching conditions, makes him a continual threat to anybody unable to take monster punishment.
Not particularly skilled? He's an NCAA Heavyweight Champion, what are you talking about? He's probably the best wrestler the UFC has.
If this fight ever does happen, it'll be Lesnar's toughest fight ever.
Indeed! This Fedor guy has one hell of a record behind him. I think a 30-1 record is unprecedented.
Lesnar does have height and reach on his side though; 6'3" and 81" vs. 6'0" and 74", respectively.
And he can take a beating. This is him getting slammed by Kevin Randlman in Pride. He was out for a second, recovered, and ended up submitting Randleman a minute or so later.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fb%2Fbe%2FKevin_Randleman_throwing_Fedor_Emelianenko_at_PRIDE_GP_2004_2nd_ROUND.jpg&hash=fe767042cbe823e062c09d4492c89917d2c7c9c8)
Brock definitely has the size though. If he can get Fedor down and not make any mistakes, Brock could win. I know Brock won't stand-up with him.
Like I said, Lesnar is perhaps the best wrestler in the UFC. Takedowns are something he's very good at, so unless Fedor has a large centre of gravity, getting him on the mat shouldn't be too hard.
Oh, I'm not saying Lesnar can't take him down, finishing him is what I'm getting at. Fedor has been taken down plenty of times in his career by bigger men than Lesnar and still comes out on top. Damn, I'm getting pumped just by thinking about it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 20, 2009, 08:17:28 AM
Not particularly skilled? He's an NCAA Heavyweight Champion, what are you talking about? He's probably the best wrestler the UFC has.
His ncaa days were a while ago, and his strength was often the deciding factor, not his technique.
Quote from: Xhan on Jul 20, 2009, 06:40:21 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 20, 2009, 08:17:28 AM
Not particularly skilled? He's an NCAA Heavyweight Champion, what are you talking about? He's probably the best wrestler the UFC has.
His ncaa days were a while ago, and his strength was often the deciding factor, not his technique.
The technique is needed though. Size isn't everything because you could be the largest man in the world but if you can't find the leverage to work around a person's centre of gravity, then size is meaningless. That's where technique comes in.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 20, 2009, 06:12:23 PM
Oh, I'm not saying Lesnar can't take him down, finishing him is what I'm getting at. Fedor has been taken down plenty of times in his career by bigger men than Lesnar and still comes out on top. Damn, I'm getting pumped just by thinking about it.
Who's the biggest person Fedor has fought?
Choi Hong-man - 7 ft 2 in - 330lbs.
Barnett tests positive for steroids. (http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/22/not-again-josh-barnett-tests-positive-for-steroids/)
I was really looking forward to this one too.
Fedor and UFC. (http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Fedor-Talks-UFC-Negotiations-Fighting-Couture--More.html)
Fedor will destroy Couture.
Fedor will be picking at Couture's remains after they get stuck in his teeth. Seriously, Randy is a great fighter, but he's washed up now.
The radio has been talking about MMA alot here lately. I guss something with them is going on in coastal N.C. . I've been hearing something about camp lejune marines and fort Bragg green berets getting involved.
Anybody here watch strikeforce? I love this organization. They have a roster of great fighters and they put on good eventd. Their next is on aug 15th carano vs cyborg
Quote from: dude63 on Jul 30, 2009, 06:11:50 AM
Anybody here watch strikeforce? I love this organization. They have a roster of great fighters and they put on good eventd. Their next is on aug 15th carano vs cyborg
I have Cyborg without question...I love Gina but Santos is like a female version of Wanderlei, and I really don't think Gina is ready to get hit that hard... :-\
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 28, 2009, 04:05:45 PM
Barnett tests positive for steroids. (http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/22/not-again-josh-barnett-tests-positive-for-steroids/)
I was really looking forward to this one too.
I read somewhere that they were 'roids prescribed for a medical injury, but that he hadn't cycled off in time for the drug test...sucks if true...
Anyways, did you guys hear..? Franklin vs. Belfort at UFC 103..! Crazy fight, and Vitor has been looking real good lately...
Quote from: Gates on Aug 01, 2009, 07:05:13 AM
I read somewhere that they were 'roids prescribed for a medical injury, but that he hadn't cycled off in time for the drug test...sucks if true...
Stephan Bonnar had the same problem not too long ago as I recall. He was suspended from fighting, I think for at least a good 6 months.
So Fedor isn't coming to the UFC after all...this just sucks dude. Apparently, the UFC didn't want to co-promote him with Strikeforce. A friend of mine told me it's because SF has ties to Russian fighting tournies, which have ties to Russian mobs. Don't know how much truth there is to that though.
Fedor's brother is all about mobbing so there are definitely ties there. I'm sure Dana White still wants to keep Fedor's name exclusively to the UFC...the Russian isn't having that.
I thought the decision wasn't up to Fedor, but rather his management?
In any case, White made the right call b/c if the UFC ends up with ties to Russian mobs, then that will bring the organization under a lot of fire.
Well Fedor is now tied to Strikeforce with a debut in October (expecting) hopefully Cung le and Alistar Overeem FINALLY defend their belt. UFC 101 is on later tonight. Im not gonna buy the PPV..but I will keep track of the results. HOPEFULLY, Forrest fives anderson silva a run for his money..it would be awesome. Anderson Silvas last performance..was..eh...yea. Plus Anderson silva went up i nweight to take on forrest..so we'll see.
On a final little note. I can't wait until October just to hear this song...it will be breathe taking. Possibly the most feared theme song in all of mma.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbDy34DuypA
Anyone think Alexander (fedors bro) may go to Strikeforce? That would be neat/awesome. Their could be like some sort of brother on brother..but Fedor I don't think would ever do that. Plus...with all the hype around the shamrock vs shamrock and then not happening. It would just be a shame for it to end up like that. I think Alexander should go to the UFC and give Brock and possibly their whole division a run for its money. Fedor even said himself if he put a lot of time and thought and dedication to his training. The guy could be better than him.
Too funny :D
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Mighty-Morphin-Power-Ranger-morphs-into-an-MMA-f?urn=mma,186758
Jason David Frank was the red one wasn't he? :S bah i cant remember
He was the green, the white, the red, and then was the black ranger....i think that's all of them. I sont' see what's funny about this though, since he actually knows hwo to fight and everything, so........
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Nostalgia
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa323.yahoofs.com%2Fymg%2Fept_sports_mma_experts__11%2Fept_sports_mma_experts-378839837-1251905292.jpg%3FymMMC1BDQG5C.IU8&hash=9cec7652a876fe39b747fdae343ad1fd3487b514)
Damn Right!
Quote from: Gates on Sep 21, 2007, 10:45:49 AM
Does anyone watch it!?
There has to be some of you out there...if so, please post your picks for this Saturdays UFC event...
I usually watch UFC unleashed and some of the recaps on spike when its on.
So Carwin will face Lesnar at UFC 106 in November; can't wait to see Lesnar eat him alive ;D
In terms of hugeness, this guy matches up the best with Lesnar in terms of physical build.
To bad Carwin only has a punchers chance.
And against a meathead like Lesnar whose been pretty impervious to any sort of physical damage, this is only to extend the hype between a Lesnar/Nog matchup.
That's all Carwin needs though. Most of his wins are from punching people out. I don't think Lesnar can go toe-to-toe with him.
I don't think we've actually see Lesnar eat punches and smile. This should be pretty good.
Oh for...
I swear to God, Lesnar=meathead, whaaaaat?? The guy has wrestling skills no one can match and athleticism only guys half his weight have. It's no wonder he's doing well.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Sep 03, 2009, 01:28:36 PM
He was the green, the white, the red, and then was the black ranger....i think that's all of them. I sont' see what's funny about this though, since he actually knows hwo to fight and everything, so........
It's funny because it's the f**king green ranger :D. I mean come on, it'll be funny watching him do some serious fighting without using horrible dialogue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPCaaZI8m4
Watching him get his ass kicked too will also be a plus
I can't wait for the day to see Lesnar get knocked the f--k out! Man I just wanna see somebody punch him so hard in his head it launches him in the air freakin Mortal kombat style. Hopefully it takes him 5 mins to wake up and the only thing hes asking is "what happen?" just so somebody can come and say "you just got knocked the f--k out son" lol.
I won't feel sorry for him because he f--ks Sable every night, he'll be ok.
And I'll be there when Carwin is expected to do just that and Lesnar will be standing over his broken body, picking Carwin's bones out of his teeth.
I'm not saying Carwin is going to kill Lesnar, I'm just hoping he does. I personally think Lesnar is going to charge at him, take him to the ground easy and completely drop bombs to his face to the point where the fight will be stopped.
I'm just hoping it's the other way around because I really hate Lesnar! I can't stand his personality, I can't stand how he disrespects the fans, I can't stand the fact hes from the WWE, I can't stand the fact he beat Frank Mir, awww god I just can't f--king wait until someone comes along and launches Lesnar across the cage.
I love how people jump at every opportunity to hate Lesnar. Hate his personality? Seriously, I must be the only person on the planet who thinks he did no wrong (save for insulting Bud Light) after he beat Mir. I was happy when Lesnar flipped off the crowd, considering the majority were booing him because they can't live with the fact that he's champ. Frankly, he might as well disrespect the fans since they don't respect him. Your own statement proves that.
And what does it matter if he's from the WWF? It means nothing. He was their champ for a time, but he decided that the make-believe world of wrestling wasn't for him, so he came to the UFC. Dana White gave him that title shot legitimately. It's not as if Lesnar bribed him for it.
You're not the only one...I'm a Lesnar fan as well. I was glad he destroyed Mir. I thought we had this conversation.
Speaking of Pro Wrestlers, anyone else following Bobby Lashley? He's 4-0. 2 ko's, 1 submission, 1 decision. He's looking good in the cage.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 04, 2009, 03:31:43 PM
You're not the only one...I'm a Lesnar fan as well. I was glad he destroyed Mir. I thought we had this conversation.
Nah man, this sounds new to me. I thought you disliked the man.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 04, 2009, 03:31:43 PM
You're not the only one...I'm a Lesnar fan as well. I was glad he destroyed Mir. I thought we had this conversation.
Speaking of Pro Wrestlers, anyone else following Bobby Lashley? He's 4-0. 2 ko's, 1 submission, 1 decision. He's looking good in the cage.
Dont you mean Black Lesnar >_>
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 04, 2009, 03:34:46 PM
Nah man, this sounds new to me. I thought you disliked the man.
Not sure why you thought that...probably had something to do with my posts respecting other fighters as well.
Quote from: Dachande on Sep 04, 2009, 03:35:22 PM
Dont you mean Black Lesnar >_>
:D How do you think he'll do against Lesnar?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 04, 2009, 05:38:38 AM
And I'll be there when Carwin is expected to do just that
Well...he's not expected to do anything, he's the underdog at the bookie...on paper, Lesner has him beat (and most probably in the real fight as well)...Carwin has bricks in his hands and that makes me curious...I've been calling Lesner out on a suspect chin since his first MMA fight, so we'll see what's up fight night...
Quoteand Lesnar will be standing over his broken body, picking Carwin's bones out of his teeth
Ha..! Maybe...and then we'll see what he does with Big Nog... :P
Quote from: Gates on Sep 04, 2009, 10:23:14 PM
I've been calling Lesner out on a suspect chin since his first MMA fight, so we'll see what's up fight night...
Suspect chin? If you mean 'roids, he doesn't do them.
QuoteHa..! Maybe...and then we'll see what he does with Big Nog... :P
Big Nog?
Suspect chin is when someone is acting all tough and folds as soon as the pressure is put on. In this situation, Carwin dropping bombs and Lesnar getting KO'd.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 04, 2009, 11:03:44 PM
Big Nog?
Big Nog.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ultimate-fighter.net%2Fuploads%2FBigNog%2Fbignog.jpg&hash=58be5a7098a9dca8c4a33dcdb7727f48eedf4243)
Suspect chin means you might be succeptible to ko if your caught on the button (on the chin). Some people's vertabrae can't handle the whiplash motion, and it instantly puts them to sleep. Arvloski is that way. He can take punishment everywhere else, but on the chin? Its like hitting the snooze button on your clock.
Meathead just means massive strong mofo. It isn't exactly a putdown.
Heath Herring took shots at lesnar, including a clean power shot at the very end of the fight. Lesnar ate it and smiled.
I doubt Lesnar wants to get hit, there are very few people that do, but I don't buy that these light heavy weights pose any physical threat in the punching department to hurt him. I think if Lesnar is going to be beaten it will be by submission since he leaves to many openings unprotected.
I don't like Lesnar. Because I hate wrestlers. There is nothing more boring in mma than having a guy whose style is just to lay on you and punch you in the head.
Lesnar is just adopting the "badguy" role in the UFC. That doesn't bother me.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 04, 2009, 11:42:30 PM
I doubt Lesnar wants to get hit, there are very few people that do, but I don't buy that these light heavy weights pose any physical threat in the punching department to hurt him. I think if Lesnar is going to be beaten it will be by submission since he leaves to many openings unprotected.
Which it's good that he's learning Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu so that he can better protect himself. The guy is still learning.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 04, 2009, 11:42:30 PMI don't like Lesnar. Because I hate wrestlers. There is nothing more boring in mma than having a guy whose style is just to lay on you and punch you in the head.
Except when the people he's fighting can't counter it and they end up losing as a result.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 04, 2009, 11:42:30 PMLesnar is just adopting the "badguy" role in the UFC. That doesn't bother me.
Dana White really needs to capitalize on that. Lesnar is the biggest thing to happen to the UFC.
Dana is capitalizing on Lesnar, thats why he didn't punish him after he went crazy against Frank Mir.
I'm not saying he's not effective, just that wrestling to me, is like fans of the WC in the NBA trying to follow the EC. Two totally different divisions. One is high flying, dunk on your head, out perform you offensively styled (as a whole, they do have San An), the other is outwork you, perform proficiently defensive, stop the team from scoring league (as a whole they do have teams like the Bucks).
Naturally growing up in the East their style of ball is my favored style to watch. I can't stand watching the western conference because defense is only played when teams feel like it. Not saying it isn't efficient, the Lakeshow one the championship this year running the triangle offense to a T and playing adequate enough defense not to lose games.
Naturally as a guy who practiced stand up and trained as a boxer, I don't like all that grabbing and laying around on top of guys, regardless of how efficient it is in the cage.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 05, 2009, 02:30:52 AM
Dana is capitalizing on Lesnar, thats why he didn't punish him after he went crazy against Frank Mir.
I didn't watch the post fight conference but didn't he give the " I was up in the moment...bla, bla.... I was wrong...bla bla...I'm sorry..." speech ?
Don't get me wrong.
I have great sympathy for Lesnar, I think he's a great fighter.
He haven't been training mma that long, still he could hold his own against Frank, Heath and Randy who's been around for some time.
And when he fought Mir the first time he was winning that fight, he was killing him but got caught in a submission and didn't know what how to get him self free from it.
It must been frustrating as hell, cause I'm sure he had practiced how to get out of submissions before the fight but it all went blank on fight night, in a fight that he was winning.
After the fight Mir wasn't humble, he was bragging and before the rematch he continued, as expected.
Brook did the right thing, Mir got lucky the first match and he let him know it.
When the ref stopped the second fight ppl started booing, that was so wrong.
Brook doesn't need to play the role of a "bad boy", but ppl won't have it any other way.
If I beat the shit out of my nemesis and win by TKO or KO and ppl start to "boo" me because I didn't lose, I'll give them the finger too.
It's easy to boo someone when you yourself ain't inside the octagon.
Quote from: Milan on Sep 20, 2009, 11:05:27 PM
When the ref stopped the second fight ppl started booing, that was so wrong.
Brook doesn't need to play the role of a "bad boy", but ppl won't have it any other way.
If I beat the shit out of my nemesis and win by TKO or KO and ppl start to "boo" me because I didn't lose, I'll give them the finger too.
It's easy to boo someone when you yourself ain't inside the octagon.
First off, it's Brock not Brook ;) Second, I agree with you, but people were booing him (I think) because he got in Mir's face after the fight. But ya, some fighters and even fans are bitching about him not showing any respect for the fans: I say f**k that. Don't expect Lesnar to respect the fans if they don't respect him.
I only live a few miles from Brock Lesnar.
Not kidding either.
Hes big boy. Bigger in person than he looks on TV.
I've met him once, I didn't ask for an autograph (why do people want those so bad anyway?), I just shook his hand. It was like a Gorilla's hand.
He's not really that social, pretty much keeps to himself, doesn't say much. Hes not the extrovert he seems like in interviews or old WWE promos.
An introvert eh? Where did you run into him?
P.S. You must tell me where you live...
Quote(why do people want those so bad anyway?),
Proof you met someone famous.
These days though it's quicker to get a photo with them on your phone.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 21, 2009, 05:33:02 AM
An introvert eh? Where did you run into him?
P.S. You must tell me where you live...
where Brock lives, obviously.
Where Brock Lives - A great new comedy series starring meathead Brock Lesnar, and Meathead - who lives near him. There's hijinx and gratuitous violence aplenty for the whole family - next on Fox!!
Quote from: Xhan on Sep 21, 2009, 05:47:59 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 21, 2009, 05:33:02 AM
An introvert eh? Where did you run into him?
P.S. You must tell me where you live...
where Brock lives, obviously.
I like specifics. I demand co-ordinates!!!!
44°56′38.76″N 93°05′6.72″W
I live in St.Cloud Minnesota.
He lives in Annandale, it's relatively close by.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 21, 2009, 12:24:02 AM
Quote from: Milan on Sep 20, 2009, 11:05:27 PM
When the ref stopped the second fight ppl started booing, that was so wrong.
Brook doesn't need to play the role of a "bad boy", but ppl won't have it any other way.
If I beat the shit out of my nemesis and win by TKO or KO and ppl start to "boo" me because I didn't lose, I'll give them the finger too.
It's easy to boo someone when you yourself ain't inside the octagon.
First off, it's Brock not Brook ;)
Sorry, my bad. ;D
QuoteSecond, I agree with you, but people were booing him (I think) because he got in Mir's face after the fight. But ya, some fighters and even fans are bitching about him not showing any respect for the fans: I say f**k that. Don't expect Lesnar to respect the fans if they don't respect him.
I bolded out the part I feel is so wrong, these guys were enemies, they didn't like each other and when Brock got in Mir's face when the fight was over, that was real, they didn't play pretend.
Brock have been taking alot of shit because of his wwe or wwf background, so when he stops being fake then ppl "boo" him, "he's not being a good sport", stop a second and think about what these guys do, they sleep,eat shit fighting, that's pretty much all they do. They don't have sex with their girl friends when a fight is coming up, they want to be frustrated, annoyed and aggressive...in other words, mad.
And now ppl think that the fighters should begin to cuddle the same second the fight is over, Not only is it stupid and it's fake, when they've been hateing on each other in pre fight interviews.
Ufc likes the slogan " as real as it gets" and I like that they have Brock there giving stupid ppl the finger and show no love towards a dude, who he hates with a passion, that's "as real as it gets".
Did you see Forrest Griffin flee the cage after his last fight, that's "bad behavior" in my eye's.
He should have stayed and talked with Rogan, giving his opponent the proper respect,
Griffin losing ain't nothing but a bad excuse, he tried but Anderson was better, there's no shame in losing if you really was fighting for the win, I think that Forrest wanted to win and I think he did his best.
But seeing him flee with his tail behind his legs was so sad, I will never look at him in the same way again.
Thing is, MMA is a respectable sport. That's why I love GSP as a fighter and as a sportsman because he is so damn courteous. That guy never trash talks anyone. Watch him and Alves after their bout at 100. Not only did GSP give the guy a hug, but he also raised his arm up in mutual respect.
I still stand by what Lesnar did, but him and Mir aren't enemies. Lesnar even said so in his apology. He said, and I quote "I've got nothing against Frank. The only thing I do have against him is that he beat me."
Quote from: Meathead320 on Sep 21, 2009, 03:10:28 PM
I live in St.Cloud Minnesota.
He lives in Annandale, it's relatively close by.
Where did you run into him?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 21, 2009, 04:40:55 PM
Where did you run into him?
Just a convenience store out in Annandale. I was getting some bait, because it is also a bait shop, and I was going to be fishing lake Sylvia later that day. I did not pay attention to what he was buying, but he was in front of me at the register.
One thing, is that many of us from around here, Minnesota, kind of have a tradition of not crowding famous people. It tends to get even more so, as in leaving them alone, the further north you get.
Since I was standing right next to him at the register anyway; I broke the rule and said, "wow, I'm a big fan of yours, can I tell my friends I met Brock Lesnar?"- I extended him my hand.
Brock said "yeah, sure", shook my hand. Then he took his receipt from the clerk and left. That's all.
I did not bother asking for an autograph, or picture. I figure since it was just me, the clerk and him in there Brock would not feel crowded if all I did was say I'm a fan and greet him with handshake.
I think sometimes when these guys just want to live their lives, and happen to be an introvert. Too much attention can be a pain in the ass. That's why I kept it short. I've also been told by other people that he is sort of standoffish, and seems uncomfortable socially, doesn't like much attention.
Had there been a lot of people in there I probably would not have said anything, as if one person is going to give attention, then everyone there does. Then its crowd. We try not to do that here.
You should've jumped on his back and put him in a rear naked choke.
Quote from: Meathead320 on Sep 21, 2009, 05:02:42 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 21, 2009, 04:40:55 PM
Where did you run into him?
Just a convenience store out in Annandale. I was getting some bait, because it is also a bait shop, and I was going to be fishing lake Sylvia later that day. I did not pay attention to what he was buying, but he was in front of me at the register.
One thing, is that many of us from around here, Minnesota, kind of have a tradition of not crowding famous people. It tends to get even more so, as in leaving them alone, the further north you get.
Since I was standing right next to him at the register anyway; I broke the rule and said, "wow, I'm a big fan of yours, can I tell my friends I met Brock Lesnar?"- I extended him my hand.
Brock said "yeah, sure", shook my hand. Then he took his receipt from the clerk and left. That's all.
I did not bother asking for an autograph, or picture. I figure since it was just me, the clerk and him in there Brock would not feel crowded if all I did was say I'm a fan and greet him with handshake.
I think sometimes when these guys just want to live their lives, and happen to be an introvert. Too much attention can be a pain in the ass. That's why I kept it short. I've also been told by other people that he is sort of standoffish, and seems uncomfortable socially, doesn't like much attention.
Had there been a lot of people in there I probably would not have said anything, as if one person is going to give attention, then everyone there does. Then its crowd. We try not to do that here.
I understand. I would've done the exact same thing because I know that they don't like to be bothered. But damn dude...that's freaking sweet!!!
Anyway, Lesnar aside...who watched UFC 103? I found it disappointing. Fights were short, and Cro Cop didn't fight nearly as well as I had hoped.
I predicted Vitor Belfort would out-strike Rich Franklin, the guy's incredibly explosive, skilled, and agressive
looking forward to Machida vs. Shogun, whom I like (both of 'em)
Ya, Machida's going to tear Sogun apart. They don't call him the dragon for nothing 8)
I'm going with Machida, I think Shogun is a bit too conventional to throw anything at Machida that he isn't ready for, but I wouldn't underestimate him, Shogun was good enough to destroy Rampage back in Pride, he also submitted Kevin Randleman, who was a lot bigger and stronger than him, Shogun is a top of the line fighter in my opinion
favourite fighters right now would be
Machida
Shogun
Vitor Belfort
Fedor
Arlovski
Mine are, in order:
Georges St. Pierre
Brock Lesnar
Chuck Liddell
Anderson Silva
BJ Penn
Nov 7th Fedor vs Rogers free on cbs. Also the night before is a shallenger series card. The UFC can not counter program. They were forced to scrap the third event card in november because of BA Barcus (rampage Jackson) so lol..yea. Anyone been watching TUF 10? Kimbo looksl ike hes improved. Im rooting for the guy man. I have always found him to be respectable and a humble person whos just looking to improve in this ever growing sport. I actually want to try this sport as well..I figure once I graduatue im going to gotrain at a gym. Get some ju jitsu or something. Make my pro debut within acouple years. I am looking foward to doiung this. I love the sport and it would be so awesome to actually compete. Im looking to do it. My school doesn't offer wrestling..so..yea.
Machida vs Shogun? What bullshit! Didn't Shogun get his ass kicked by Franklin. Machida vs Anderson The Spider now thats a fight!
Quote from: dude63 on Sep 22, 2009, 01:47:27 PM
Nov 7th Fedor vs Rogers free on cbs. Also the night before is a shallenger series card. The UFC can not counter program. They were forced to scrap the third event card in november because of BA Barcus (rampage Jackson) so lol..yea. Anyone been watching TUF 10? Kimbo looksl ike hes improved. Im rooting for the guy man. I have always found him to be respectable and a humble person whos just looking to improve in this ever growing sport. I actually want to try this sport as well..I figure once I graduatue im going to gotrain at a gym. Get some ju jitsu or something. Make my pro debut within acouple years. I am looking foward to doiung this. I love the sport and it would be so awesome to actually compete. Im looking to do it. My school doesn't offer wrestling..so..yea.
What are they going to do when Rampage Jackson gets mad and starts tearing down doors on set?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 21, 2009, 06:23:16 PM
Ya, Machida's going to tear Sogun apart. They don't call him the dragon for nothing 8)
I'm thinking the same, although, we may all be used to seeing Shogun in action now, but he was considered an unorthodox fighter in the same vain as Machida back in his
Pride days...I think it'll make for an entertaining fight, with an excellent display of foot work from both guys...
Quote from: PHANTOM on Sep 22, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
Didn't Shogun get his ass kicked by Franklin. Machida vs Anderson The Spider now thats a fight!
Naa, Shogun never faced Franklin...it was Forrest who put the beats on him...actually, I just remembered that Machida fought Franklin way back when...
And I know there's word of Anderson making a permanent move to 205, but he and Machida are friends (been training together for years) and both have said they wouldn't fight eachother...yet I'm well aware that money talks, so who knows... :)
Quote from: Gates on Sep 23, 2009, 04:21:51 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 21, 2009, 06:23:16 PM
Ya, Machida's going to tear Sogun apart. They don't call him the dragon for nothing 8)
I'm thinking the same, although, we may all be used to seeing Shogun in action now, but he was considered an unorthodox fighter in the same vain as Machida back in his Pride days...I think it'll make for an entertaining fight, with an excellent display of foot work from both guys...
Quote from: PHANTOM on Sep 22, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
Didn't Shogun get his ass kicked by Franklin. Machida vs Anderson The Spider now thats a fight!
Naa, Shogun never faced Franklin...it was Forrest who put the beats on him...actually, I just remembered that Machida fought Franklin way back when...
And I know there's word of Anderson making a permanent move to 205, but he and Machida are friends (been training together for years) and both have said they wouldn't fight eachother...yet I'm well aware that money talks, so who knows... :)
I heard that Shogun had a bad start in the UFC, he wasn't 100%, I think he had a knee operation and wasn't able too train before the fight. We might see a different Shogun when he fights Machida.
But I'll think Machida will win anyway.
However, a Machida vs Anderson fight would be fun or soooooooooo boring, they are both well known counter fighters, they wait for the other guy too make a move, so we might end up with a fight were the only time their gloves made contact with their opponent was in the beginning of round 1, as they touched gloves...
I could see Machida beating Anderson. Silva's definitely a monster, but Machida is so versatile with his agility especially.
...And that's why I love watching MMA, you can never really predict the outcome.
So many things can happen, ask Damian Maya, maybe I spelled the name wrong but if you watch UFC then you know who I'm talking about ;)
Quote from: Gates on Sep 23, 2009, 04:21:51 PM
Naa, Shogun never faced Franklin...
Ah! Now I remember, that was the fight where everyone thought Shogun was going to kill Griffin.
Rashad's team is destroying Rampage's in TUF. Just shows that bigger is not always better when it comes to fighting. But we all knew that.
Except where Lesnar is concerned ;D
Were about to get some black on black crime real soon with Rampage and Rashad lol. Rampage does not like Rashad at all bro.
haha...Yep, they're definitely hiding something behind their fake smiles towards each other. Next week we finally get to see Kimbo take center stage.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 24, 2009, 03:25:11 PM
Except where Lesnar is concerned ;D
Ain't that the truth. Speaking of Lesnar. I recently watched an interview, I believe on ESPN, where Kimbo said he'd knock Lesnar out in stand up. What do you think about that?
If it was a straight brawl, Kimbo would eat him alive. The guy is an animal :D
Uh oh...here comes Doom. You asked for it now V. ;)
But yeah, stand up, I'd give the advantage to Kimbo.
Funny thing about Kimbo was, when I first saw his videos on the net a few years back, I honestly thought it was Mr T.
Because he's black? :P
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftotallylookslike.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F09%2Fkimbomrt.jpg&hash=c4a0712532e8a5a3431da74a967f2ea8785acce9)
I'd still give it to Lesnar. Kimbo's an animal sure, but his agility isn't anything like Lesnar's. People keep forgetting that fact. It's not just Lesnar's size, but his ability to move like someone who's half it.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 24, 2009, 04:47:53 PM
Because he's black? :P
No mate! :D
Because he actually looked like him. Plus the video showed him taking off a shitload of gold before the fight.
MMA rapes the sport of boxing. Boxing has died in my opinion.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 24, 2009, 04:25:33 PM
haha...Yep, they're definitely hiding something behind their fake smiles towards each other. Next week we finally get to see Kimbo take center stage.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 24, 2009, 03:25:11 PM
Except where Lesnar is concerned ;D
Ain't that the truth. Speaking of Lesnar. I recently watched an interview, I believe on ESPN, where Kimbo said he'd knock Lesnar out in stand up. What do you think about that?
Aside from Evans arrogance and Rashaads need to prove himself they are to much the same to ever truly get along. Thats why they laugh at each other to start off, then get pissed within 30 minutes of being around one another.
Kimbo is as powerful as any of the former nflers on the show, and has decent, but not great stand up. He also has decent takedown defense. However, he is horrible on the ground.
The match will be won or lost on whether or not Kimbo can stay on his feet and out throw and land punches over Big Country. If BC can take Kimbo down, its over.
Kimbo also has to protect his grill, or otherwise he's going to be knocked out like he was his last fight when the guy landed the punch right on his temple.
QuoteMMA rapes the sport of boxing. Boxing has died in my opinion.
Be taking Don King's sloppy seconds wouldn't it?
Quote from: MIDGET on Sep 24, 2009, 06:05:31 PM
MMA rapes the sport of boxing. Boxing has died in my opinion.
Yes and no. As long as Mayweather is part of boxing it will never die. The day he retires boxing is f--king done. Mayweather is the face of boxing and thats the problem with boxing.
When you think of MMA you thinking about Chuck The Ice Man, Tito Ortiz, Rampage Jackson, Anderson The Spider, Randy Couture, GSP, Matt Hughes ect ect. There so are many larger than life fighters in MMA which makes the sport so freaking entertaining.
When you think of boxing, all you see is Mayweather thats why I think boxing is slowly dying.
So what happens to boxing when Pacquiao knocks him out? ;D
And you're right about all of the big names in MMA making the sport entertaining. So many different fight cards.
Boxing isn't dying, but it's not as popular as it once was. Watching two guys stand up and just punch each other can't competer with guys who are doing that, plus taking fights to the ground and displaying great submission techniques. Boxing is archaic in comparison.
That really depends, because having trained as a boxer I can tell you that boxing alone is much more technical than what the mma guys are doing, because the mma guys can't use the technicalities of the sport in their matches.
The stances are bastardized because of kicks and takedowns. A low guard like they use in MMA would get you knocked out.
The elite boxers would most likely destroy the elite mma fighters in a boxing match. A low guard like they use in MMA would get you knocked out. The same vice versa if a boxer tried to enter the world of mma only as a boxer. A high guard would get you taken down and submitted, or face beat.
What really has killed boxing is the shady promoters, that sullied the sport by paying/intimidating people into taking premature falls or fixing matches. That and that there are SO MANY different weight classes that a "champion" in one can't really be considered a champion. He's just the best of watered down competition.
The need to retier boxing so the elite can actually come across one another more often than just once and awhile.
Boxing can be saved. They just actually have to develop matches that draw your interest more than once a year, get rid of all the lower tier competition that is used to inflate boxers records, and get rid of the promoters (which happens in cycles) that are ruining the sport.
Nobody wants to see guys take questionable falls, not make the bell, and then wonder if its fixed. Likewise nobody wants to see a guy get to 30 and 0 to get a title shot against the guy who is 45 and 0 when the challenger just beat up on above club level opponents.
If a 22-7 guy gets a title shot at a 33-3 guy, thats better imo. It means somewhere alongthe way he fought guys that pushed him, lost some matches, learned his lessons, and got better.
Boxing usually goes like this. An exception explodes to a ridiculous record like Mayweather, and actually IS talented as a fighter. Then some kid a little faster/stronger comes along, woops the hell out of some no talent hacks, then gets his title shot. Only to be completely outclassed because he's never had to work on his game and gets ko'd in four rounds.
MMA is much smarter in its promotion. Doesn't have promoters rampantly involved with the decision making process of who fights who, doesn't have so many leagues that title holders are champions of hollow belts, and doesn't have weight classes that have only one or two DECENT classes becausse there is literally a weight class every ten pounds.
Featherweight, lightweight, bantamweight, cruiserweight, supercruiserweight, heavyweight, superheavyweight etc.
I really don't like to get into talks about who is a better fighter, a boxer or a MMA fighter?
They both are skilled at what they do, they both fight, bleed and get hurt. I respect all fighters Boxers and Martial Artists........
except for Brock Lesnar. I can't wait until someone puts him in the hospital.
Not saying either is the better fighter, just saying that they are both better at what they do.
Kind of like a marine infantryman be better at shooting people, and an airforce airmen better at dropping bombs.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Sep 25, 2009, 04:30:09 AM
except for Brock Lesnar. I can't wait until someone puts him in the hospital.
Best part is, you know that will never happen ;D
I think that one shouldn't really compare boxing with MMA, It's like comparing basketball with Volleyball, they are different sports.
Boxing have lost some off it's former glory, I think it's because of it's lack of "stars",
If former stars like Muhammed Ali, Tyson and other legends would have entered the stage during 20th century I think that boxing would still have a big crowd, these days I don't even know who's the current Heavy Weight champion or if he have skills that would make him a legend and I don't know anything about the fighter who's next in line for a title shot.
These days I think the crowd wants fighters with personality's, the type of charisma that makes you like, hate or admire the fighter.
That's why i think that the Ultimate Fighter TV show was such a good idea, MMA wasn't so popular as it is today before the Griffin vs Bonner fight, I think K-1 had a bigger crowd following it.
Quote from: Milan on Sep 25, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
I think that one shouldn't really compare boxing with MMA, It's like comparing basketball with Volleyball, they are different sports.
Boxing have lost some off it's former glory, I think it's because of it's lack of "stars",
If former stars like Muhammed Ali, Tyson and other legends would have entered the stage during 20th century
0_0 they both competed in the mid to late 1900s...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 26, 2009, 02:50:29 AM
Quote from: Milan on Sep 25, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
I think that one shouldn't really compare boxing with MMA, It's like comparing basketball with Volleyball, they are different sports.
Boxing have lost some off it's former glory, I think it's because of it's lack of "stars",
If former stars like Muhammed Ali, Tyson and other legends would have entered the stage during 20th century
0_0 they both competed in the mid to late 1900s...
Sorry, LOL, that sounded crazy. I meant if the boxers entered the stage after the year 2000.
Like if they started 2-3 years ago.
However, I still like Boxing but I like MMA even more.
I used to prefer K-1 over UFC but after I learned alittle more about the ground game then UFC took the first place. I also like UFC over IFL so I think that it has to do with the cage vs the ring.
What do you guys think about Jon Jones?
Kimbo Loses (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dw-kimbo093009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns). He didn't look good at all. I wonder why both coaches applauded his performance.
Oh ya, glad you mentioned it. Meh, not only was that fight pretty terrible since Nelson just kinda fell on him and was basically tapping his head, but Kimbo's loss wasn't a forgeone conclusion. He's a one hit wonder, and the only reason his popularity has increased right now is due to signing with the UFC.
Yeah, it might be a little too late for him in the MMA world. Maybe he should try boxing.
You think Kimbo will make a comeback next week?
Nah man...I don't think so. I'm pretty sure he'll lose to everyone that is on Rashad's team. I think Kimbo, if he really wants to make it in the UFC, should find a good camp and train his ass off for a good year. He's gotta' master that ground game.
I loved Jackson's comment after the fight: "How do you get the moon off of you?" :D
As for his team, I'd like to see that Jones guy in action. He looks extremely solid, but I hope he doesn't succumb to an injury.
haha...yeah, Rampage and his jokes.
Jones does look good. He has a 4-1 MMA record too.
I think they applauded his performance because Big Country has a heap more mma experience than he does, showed improved takedown defense, and was actually getting the better of nelson in the standup game.
The problem is, that would be a decent start for a 24 year old. Not a 35 year old. You only have about three more years where he'll be able to compete. Had mma been available to Kimbo back in the day, he could be a pretty solid striking heavyweight imo.
Plus he's at least putting on the facade (if not genuine) of being pretty friendly and humble.
Marcus Jones is extremely powerful, but just like the other NFLer that has fought, his size and muscle mass suck all the oxygen out of his body in minutes. He'll have to finish somebody almost immediately to win. He has no chance in later rounds. Simply TOO big.
What makes you think Kimbo is faking the humble personality?
I don't know that he is.
But suppossedly him and Bas Rutten had a falling out because Kimbo wouldn't listen to anything he said about the art of ground defense.
But who knows.
Tonight's the night. Let's see if Kimbo makes his comeback. Although...
Spoiler
I read on UFC.com that Jones does indeed succumb to injury and Kimbo fights. Maybe I misread.
haha...I'm trying my hardest not to click on that spoiler tag... :D
Guess I'll find out in a couple of hours.
So Kimbo and Jones weren't involved in this episode...false advertising!!!!
Anyway, that was a solid fight. I thought for sure Demico was going to take it with his GnP. But damn, Brendan pulled that Anaconda Choke out of nowhere, I was in shock when I saw it. I'm worried most about Rampage at this point...I think he's really going to blow up on Evans at some point.
If you watched Griffin vs Jackson TUF you should know that Rampage is a horrible coach. He's more on the show because he's funny as hell rather than because Dana thinks he can coach.
Never saw that episode. What went down?
He's talking about season 7.
Rampage is a bad coach...he showed last night too, by leaving his fighter in the corner with no support. Not cool.
I think Evans comforting Demarco at the end was cool and showed exceptional sportsmanship, but it's a sad state of affairs when his own coach won't support him. That's why I'm worried about next week. I honestly see Jackson punching Evans' lights out.
As for the fighters, well, Evans' fighters may be 'green' as Rampage put it, but their green bottoms are whupping his team's ass. He needs to get his shit together already.
Rampage is one of those guys who looks at physical status rather than actual wrestling/jiu-jitsu/striking background before he evaluates his picks.
He's done it both seasons, and the results have been his inexperienced but athletic guys getting trounced by experienced not so athletic dudes.
His best pick between the two seasons ended up making the TUF fight night main event because one of Griffin's fighters went retarded after the final and didn't get to compete, thus allowing him to lose to Amir in the finale again.
The difference is, Griffin isn't an arrogant jackass and didn't get under Rampages skin like Evans is doing.
To bad we wont be seeing an Evans vs Rampage fight.
Evans is only getting Jackson's skin b/c Rampage has the biggest ego this side of Frank Mir. Like I said, if he doesn't get it together, his team will lose miserably. And I can see Evans vs. Rampage happening at some point; the same way Hendo and Bisping went at it.
Your not watching the same show if you don't think Evans has the bigger ego.
Jackson's problem isn't arrogance, its he cannot deal with disappointment. At all.
Evans has every right to boast dude. His team is on a 4-win winning streak. Why should he not be proud of that?
Thats not being proud, thats being arrogant. Much like Bisping was to Henderson.
Except it didn't work out to well for Bisping in the end.
Rampage was mad at getting defeated by Griffin's team in UFC 7, but Griffin didn't talk a ton of shit which let Rampage cool it and kick it with his team. Rampage wasn't a better coach in season 7, but he wasn't leaving fights because some other guy was constantly getting under his skin.
I hope the Rampage/Evans fight happens, because I want to see Rampage knock Evans out.
He was mocking Lyoto seconds before he was KO'd. He's arrogant.
Being proud and being arrogant arent the same thing.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 09, 2009, 05:22:58 AM
Being proud and being arrogant arent the same thing.
Indeed, but it doesn't change the fact that Rampage is so obsessed with winning at this point that he doesn't even realize that he's harming his own teammates. Good God, what kind of coach leaves his fighter in the middle of the ring, all alone, just because he lost? Evans is doing
something right, because he's training and coaching his team to become winners. When you have the opposing team's coach, comforting
your fighter, you have the problem not the other guy.
And in other news, I finally bought 3 DeathClutch shirts today and I love em! ;D
Doesn't that mean that you're officially an MMA Fighter now?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 10, 2009, 11:34:09 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 09, 2009, 05:22:58 AM
Being proud and being arrogant arent the same thing.
Indeed, but it doesn't change the fact that Rampage is so obsessed with winning at this point that he doesn't even realize that he's harming his own teammates. Good God, what kind of coach leaves his fighter in the middle of the ring, all alone, just because he lost? Evans is doing something right, because he's training and coaching his team to become winners. When you have the opposing team's coach, comforting your fighter, you have the problem not the other guy.
Arguing different points.
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 10, 2009, 11:43:11 PM
Doesn't that mean that you're officially an MMA Fighter now?
In my mind, I already was.
Quote of the week, courtesy of Rampage: Losing sucks. It's interfering with my sex life. My sex life sucks as it is!!
:D :D :D
Wait....
Well whatever. It was still funny.
Wes is going to eat Justin alive. The size difference is even greater than Lesnar/Couture.
I stand corrected. Wes got his ass wooped in an upset that I never expected. Rampage is going to lose it personally. He's going to have to face Evans in the cage eventually because this exhanging of words is really getting serious.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 15, 2009, 02:42:09 AM
Rampage is going to lose it personally. He's going to have to face Evans in the cage eventually because this exhanging of words is really getting serious.
Haven't Rampage left ufc?
I've read that he doesn't want to fight for or in UFC anymore, because of some shit happening with him, Dana and his acting...
Something about Dana not wanting to push forward his fight a couple of months because he has to finish the movie he's in.
Ya, I heard about that. Guess I'm living within the era of the show lol :P
Whatever man. If Rampage wants to cry, let him. It's not as if the sport will be losing a superstar if he leaves.
It'll be losing a former heavyweight champion that could've competed for the spot again very shortly. It also loses a striker out of a division that is increasingly more of a wrestling division now that Liddell has succumbed to age.
I think he will be back. Even Tito came back. But its unfortunate that it'll be 6 months to a year before it happens.
Personally I think Evans would get obliterated by Jackson. The madder you make him, the heavier his hands get. Look what happened to Wanderlai the last time he and Jackson got together after Silva talked a massive amount of shit prefight. Jackson almost took his head off.
Compare that to people he actually feels some sympathetic attachment too. Like Forrest, or Jardine. Jardine has been exposed as having a glass jaw, but Jardine didn't talk a whole lot and Jackson didn't headhunt for him. Forrest played it smart and tried not to piss jackson off.
Evans only wins if he can get Jackson to the ground. And Jackson has pretty good takedown defense. And Evans has no comparison strength wise.
Love MMA. Favorite fighter is Forrest Griffin. I usually don't play favorites and just go by the fights themselves.
As for Jackson v Evans, I think it will be a good fight. Evans has a lot of skill and is very powerful, but at the same time I wouldn't underestimate Jackson. I want Jackson to win this, but wouldn't be all suprised if Evans came out on top. This new season of the ultimate fighter has led me to a bit of a bias, in terms of I'm judging them by their personalities rather than their skill. In the end though, I suppose that is the reason people pick favorites.
Like Milan said, it won't happen which really sucks because I would love to see Evans punch Rampage's lights out. Rampage is always whining. I doubt it's the show's editing because the editing can't change the words that are coming out of his mouth and despite what he said in the last episode, he is still leaving his fighters alone in the cage after they lose. You just don't do that as a coach.
Well, he was never really known for his coaching ability...shouldn't be too surprised...
Think he's a worse coach than Shamrock?
Hmmm, it's incredibly debatable...I can easily say I wouldn't want either to coach me... :)
I'd want GSP as my coach. Can't ask for a better rounded fighter, really.
I wouldn't be able to understand him. What is he, like Russian, Japanese, Afghan mix? ;)
If I was able to choose my coach, I'd choose Couture.
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 16, 2009, 04:14:20 PM
I wouldn't be able to understand him. What is he, like Russian, Japanese, Afghan mix? ;)
Haha...he pronounces Jujutsu -
jewgifshoes... :D
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 16, 2009, 04:14:20 PM
I wouldn't be able to understand him. What is he, like Russian, Japanese, Afghan mix? ;)
He's French-Canadian, you whipper snapper!!
Quote from: Gates on Oct 16, 2009, 04:18:07 PM
Haha...he pronounces Jujutsu - jewgifshoes... :D
I'm betting he can spell it better than you.
ZING!!
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 16, 2009, 04:14:20 PM
If I was able to choose my coach, I'd choose Couture.
A great choice indeed. If I wanted to learn wrestling, I'd learn from either him or Lesnar.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 16, 2009, 04:18:53 PM
I'm betting he can spell it better than you.
ZING!!
And I'm willing to bet there are many different spellings, my choice being the oldest form there of... ;)
Oh psh.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.funnycorner.net%2Ffunny-pictures%2F5551%2FJiuJitsu.jpg&hash=f52e20d440dc3fa4f65f910afad0c858ad91a6e4)
^Wow, hold the phone...I'm a stand up fighter Doom...if memory serves, you the guy that likes rolling around on mats with other men... :-*
Bitch please. I make em submit good and hard!
Everyone loves it good and hard...
You two do realize that you are making eye contact, right? :D
We is..? Whoops...
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 16, 2009, 04:42:34 PM
You two do realize that you are making eye contact, right? :D
You mean him and I??
http://www.examiner.com/x-20066-Pittsburgh-Fight-Sports-Examiner~y2009m10d16-Bernard-Hopkins-talks-MMA-likens-it-to-gay-porno
I really want to punch this guy in the nose. It's idiots like him that derail attempts to make MMA mainstream.
Quote"Everybody is different. I don't want to watch two grown men wrestling with panties on. I'm from the hood, we don't play that."
In jail he would, with the same friends from the hood...
Quote"To me, I'm not buying a ticket to watch two grown men with panties on, sweating, [with] nuts in their face. That's not me.
To compare that to boxing is ludicrous. It's a porno. It's an entertainment porno," "I'm not wrestling a guy with panties on and his nuts in my face, and they call that a sport."
But he'll buy a ticket if he'll get two grown men hugging each other for 12 rounds...
Guess that's why he's dissing MMA, cause if he were in a MMA fight he'll be thrown to the ground when he tries to clinch with the dude and because he can't keep his mouth shut he'll be forced to tap out because he'll be choking on the dudes nuts.
Quote"I can understand if 90% of women were going to those things but I can't understand a grown man sitting there with a couple of guys watching two grown men with panties on, sweating. That's just my opinion. It's not a good look,"
He's talking alot about "grown men with panties, nuts" and so on, he have Don King as a Promotor, so he should be used to jump around in panties while having a mans nuts in his mouth.
So, Bernard wants to be a critic, a new career move maybe,
but he'll could quit that job while he's ahead, cause the way his opinions suck, he would make a fortune giving head...
Just ask King...
I used to have the greatest respect for Bernard Hopkins but when fighters talk like that it all just goes away,
I'm so disappointed...The man is already a Legend, boxing made him one, so why do he talk shit about the "little brother" coming up, these days when we are talking legendary fighters it's boxers, fighters like Muhammed Ali, Rocky Marciano, Sugar Ray Leonard, Mike Tyson and even Bernard Hopkins but when we get old we'll talk about GSP, Gracie, Anderson Silva.
MMA is getting more and more popular and it's getting more popular than boxing. Boxers need to suck it up or become MMA fighters.
Maybe they can do it Lyoto Machida, I bet that Karate gained some followers after he won the title.
Cause I see him as a Karate fighter who adapted his style to cage fighting.
Why can't these famous Boxers do the same thing?
Or are they all afraid that they'll end up on their back getting face raped by a dude in panties?
Coz boxers can't learn anything else. The mentality of a boxer is this: once you box, that's it. You don't learn anything else, and that's just the way it is. To learn another style is almost blasphemous to real devotees of the sport. I know that because I used to train at a gym that was exclusively devoted to boxing. There was zero talk of MMA, and they ditched the MMA classes they used to have because too many people were injuring themselves, which suggests to me the instructors are complete morons in that regard.
Seeing as how a ton of mma fighters start off in the boxing gym, and an olympic lightweight boxer is now amongst the WEC ranks as a rising competitor (or he was before he was injured), the above is false.
There are plenty of people that would give another fight sport ago, it simply isn't as prolific as a sport that has been popular since its inception.
Maybe. It could very well be it was just the sentiment of the gym where I was, but they did a very good job of convincing me that boxing was the only form of combat that mattered.
Although all the moves on the ground that lead to tapouts are cool, I'd rather see the fighters try and knock each other out. I can only stand technical wrasslin' for so long.
That's why the good lord invented featherweight boxing Master Chief ;)
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 18, 2009, 02:49:12 PM
Although all the moves on the ground that lead to tapouts are cool, I'd rather see the fighters try and knock each other out. I can only stand technical wrasslin' for so long.
Boxing is boring. Not just the wrestling that makes it interesting, but the thai kicks are sooooo badass when they KO' someone. They can be just as devastating as any punch.
...and that's why I love MMA, you never know how the fight will end.
There's just to many weapons a fighter have at his disposal.
Boxing and MMA are different sports, so it's stupid to compare them but when ppl talk about what sport makes the better fighter, then I have to say MMA, hands down.
Bernard wouldn't survive one round in the octagon against any of the fighters in his weight class in UFC today, he knows this that's why he's talking bad about MMA as a sport.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 18, 2009, 05:00:36 PM
Boxing is boring. Not just the wrestling that makes it interesting, but the thai kicks are sooooo badass when they KO' someone. They can be just as devastating as any punch.
When I said I like them to knock each other out, kicks were definitely a part of that.
Oh, my bad. Thought you were referring to boxing only.
It's cool.
Quote from: Milan on Oct 18, 2009, 07:14:16 PM
Bernard wouldn't survive one round in the octagon against any of the fighters in his weight class in UFC today, he knows this that's why he's talking bad about MMA as a sport.
The flip side to that coin is that no MMA fighter(in the same weight class) could stand up with him either. Like you said, people shouldn't compare the two.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 18, 2009, 08:16:15 AM
Maybe. It could very well be it was just the sentiment of the gym where I was, but they did a very good job of convincing me that boxing was the only form of combat that mattered.
Well, I know the mentality is somewhat shared by other boxers. But I can think of several mma fighters that started off as boxers. Jens Pulver probably being the biggest name that springs to mind. I cant remember the guy from the WEC who was the olympic boxer, I know he lost to Boling before Boling was the WEC 135 champ, and then got hurt and put in a coma by a motorcycle accident. But he was on his way to a high ranking as well.
Several guys have boxing backgrounds, it is probably one of the most used disciplines in mma when it comes to upper body striking. But there have been masters in other forms of striking combat as well. Liddell used Kenpo karate. Anderson Silva uses Muay Thai, etc.
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 18, 2009, 08:26:30 PM
It's cool.
Quote from: Milan on Oct 18, 2009, 07:14:16 PM
Bernard wouldn't survive one round in the octagon against any of the fighters in his weight class in UFC today, he knows this that's why he's talking bad about MMA as a sport.
The flip side to that coin is that no MMA fighter(in the same weight class) could stand up with him either. Like you said, people shouldn't compare the two.
Yes.
But I think that some MMA fighters in his weight class could hold their own against him in the ring, they wouldn't win the fight but they do better as boxers in the ring than he would as an MMA fighter in a cage.
That's only what I think, I'm not claiming that it's a fact.
I've started training martial arts from the age of 6, started with judo, then Karate after that Tae Kwon do,
I've been training boxing and Muai Thai to become more complete.
Some boxers have adapted to the MMA game pretty well, Marcus " the Irish hand grenade" is one, maybe because he didn't see a fighters using ground game as "men in panties" with "nuts in their face".
I'm not saying that boxing is bad or useless as a sport but when I read about boxer after boxer dissing MMA as a sport and the fighters in it I get a little frustrated.
"Men in panties"???
I like to see Hopkins take the same slam Fedor got from Randleman.
and then talk about "men in panties".
I trained as a boxer. I really don't see upper body striking to be that different as a whole. We trained right next to a Tae kwon Do gym, the utilized a low guard, didnt use much head movement, and were succeptible to the jab. But could still hold their own.
They could kick harder than we could punch though. A boxer in mma would be useless if he didn't know how to check kicks, or prevent himself from being taken down.
It doesn't matter who it is, you could put floyd mayweather in the cage and he would get wooped up on because he has no training in how to defend kicks, takedowns, etc.
I wasn't saying that boxing is THE shit, just that lots of people use it as part of their game in mma. Upper body striking, its probably the best tool, as it uses every fundamental trick to not get knocked out. Head movement, downward chin, high hand guard, etc.
I've seen Muay Thai guys just approach right on and take several shots to the chin because of NO head movement. And Tae Kwon Do guys in our neighborhood utilized an awkward stance (looked almost like the original boxers stance) that we could rapid fire jabs in.
But like I said, if I was going to try and fight them, the'd just kick me in my head to win, or buckle my knees.
Boxing is the most practical way to learn striking that's true, but Thai has one up on it I think because you learn striking along with kicks. You learn how to move your head along with other tactics in Thai boxing.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 19, 2009, 12:26:54 AM
I trained as a boxer. I really don't see upper body striking to be that different as a whole. We trained right next to a Tae kwon Do gym, the utilized a low guard, didnt use much head movement, and were succeptible to the jab. But could still hold their own.
They could kick harder than we could punch though. A boxer in mma would be useless if he didn't know how to check kicks, or prevent himself from being taken down.
It doesn't matter who it is, you could put floyd mayweather in the cage and he would get wooped up on because he has no training in how to defend kicks, takedowns, etc.
I wasn't saying that boxing is THE shit, just that lots of people use it as part of their game in mma. Upper body striking, its probably the best tool, as it uses every fundamental trick to not get knocked out. Head movement, downward chin, high hand guard, etc.
I've seen Muay Thai guys just approach right on and take several shots to the chin because of NO head movement. And Tae Kwon Do guys in our neighborhood utilized an awkward stance (looked almost like the original boxers stance) that we could rapid fire jabs in.
But like I said, if I was going to try and fight them, the'd just kick me in my head to win, or buckle my knees.
Well, I'm not so sure that you'll lose against a Tae Kwon do guy, if you have a boxing back ground, you see, Tae kwon do guys have poor boxing skills, I would say that the one of you who got a clean hit first has the upper hand,
Tae Kwon do kick has more speed but less power compared with a Muai Thai kick.
If you fight against other styles like Karate, Muai Thai or Kick boxing you need to be good at counter strikes, Tae Kwon do is more or less a counter strike sport, it's about you tricking your opponent to strike so that you can counter it, speed and reflexes are the keys.
If I would fight a boxer and win I would first need him to come at me with strikes and then counter strike him with a kick, the problem is that sometimes you're timing is off and he hits you first...
And it ain't by accident you see that Tae Kwon do guys have no guard, we want you to hit us, we are trying to show you where to hit us, like when we drop our hands to the waist and do small jumps on the same spot, it's to make the opponent attack so that you can counter him.
Anderson Silva would be very good at Tae Kwon do if you look how he fights.
Even Mike Tyson when he was younger would be good at it, remember his early fights when he hit at the same time the other guy was trying to hit him, that's what Tae Kwon do is all about.
A tae kwon do fighter is a counter fighter.
Why I trained boxing and Muai Thai along side my Tae Kwon do training is because I wanted to be better with my hands and I wanted to learn how I to kick with more power but not lose that much speed, and most important how to fight a guy using both punches and kicks when he's attacking me and counter them.
I did notice that trying to land power strikes was very hard. Even though I staggered quite a few with left hooks. And jabs the lower level guys have no answer for. Right crosses/hooks or straight rights with my power hand were almost useless if I was aiming for the head. I might land one in ten.
I didn't think the majority of them had bad hands though. They landed shots, but they placed them in parts of the body that didn't hurt. I'd jab them, they'd swat my pecs.
Kicks though we had no answer for. Its just what you train for. We had no training on how to defend kicks, and would just take the brunt of their impacts.
Of course our gym was in and out with financial problems, and most of the sparring between schools came at the end of the day when both were closing and then not at all when the gym went bankrupt.
Despite boxers getting mad at getting kicked, it never did reach real fight levels.
I can't wait for machida vs shogun..going ot be fireworks. Im not dishing out 50 bucks for a ppv..but I watch the results like a hawk. Hope machida wins..the guy is a amazing practitioner in the sport. Also the Cain vs Ben Rothwell fight should be awesome as well. Anyone watch the countdown? good stuff.
Strikeforce nov. 7th is finalized! Gonna be a great night. Prodcasts on cbs! Starts around 9 o clock est.
MAIN CARD
Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brett Rogers
Jason "Mayhem" Miller vs. Jake Shields (for vacant Strikeforce middleweight title)
Champ Gegard Mousasi vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou (non-title match)
Antonio Silva vs. Fabricio Werdum
Ya, the countdown was a good one. Shogun might have a good chance afterall...guess I counted him out too quickly. But Machida has an overwhelming amount of support behind him. A trend I notice in the UFC is that whichever fighter gets more attention is usually the one who ends up winning.
And whoever wins the heavyweight fight, it won't matter because in the end, neither one of them will get past Brock Lesnar ;D ;D ;D
Machida is more technical. Shogun has massive power but always seems to tire in later rounds.
If Shogun wins, I think it will be early. If it gets out of the first round, I say Machida.
I've seen Rogers fight, and haven't seen him go to the ground yet, but he has INCREDIBLE knockout power and even though I fully expect Fedor to win via ground and pound, sleeping on Rogers hands is a massive mistake.
Where can I watch Strikeforce?
supposed to be on cable this time
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 21, 2009, 01:50:18 AM
Where can I watch Strikeforce?
Here's the schedule of events. (http://www.strikeforce.com/schedule/)
Hahahahaha, "Titties" won. I can't wait to see Rampage go apeshit and finally realize he's a shitty coach. The look on his face after Zak got owned was priceless :D
Man, Rampage is annoying. I liked him way before I got to see what kind of person he is.
Yeah, his expression was priceless.
I don't buy his allegations that the editors of the show are making him look bad. There might be some truth to the editors not showing him speak to his fighters backstage, but no one is editing the words coming out of his mouth.
Speaking of MMA, I had my first class of BJJ today. It's complex stuff, working past guards is not easy.
You're 6'2? Do me a favor. Get really good and kick Nate Diaz' ass for me, please? Thanks.
Once I get my ground game in order, sure. Lol
Why the hate?
haha...cool.
I don't hate him, there is just something about him that really annoys me. I think it is his face and the way he talks.
Sounds like a speech impediment.
Rampage has lost respect points for me as well. I think he knew this season his time in mma was over.
He wasn't any better of a coach when he coached against Forrest, but he wasn't as much of an ass either.
Who's watching the fight tonight?
I'm calling a 4th or 5th round TKO for Machida, and a unanimous decision for Rothwell.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 24, 2009, 03:43:09 PM
Who's watching the fight tonight?
I'm calling a 4th or 5th round TKO for Machida,
First round KO or TKO for Machida.
*edit*
Guess I was wrong...
Just saw the fight but how the f**k did Shogun lose that fight?
Man, I feel so sorry for him.
The judges must have been dirty.
If one would give Machida 5 points for each strike no matter if it was a miss, landed on the guard or a clean hit and Shogun 0,5 points, Shogun still would have won that fight, big time, just by counting the points.
Machida might have won 1 round out of 5, only because he managed to land one or two hits in a flurry and forced Shogun to switch from offence to defence for a short period of time during that round.
This is so wrong, that belt belong to Shogun, the fight wasn't a draw or even close to one.
Machida left the octagon limping, with a busted leg, lip and belly.
I hope he gives Shogun the belt in the post fight interviews, I see Machida as a honorable fighter, one who lives by the Bushido teachings and I hope that he doesn't want to be a part of a fight or organisation who deal with fixed fights and dirty judges, he know that he lost that fight and the belt they were fighting over.
Giving up the belt is the only right thing to do, if not then he's not better than the 3 a-holes pretending to be judges that gave him the win...
Wow...Rothwell was robbed. Mazagatti is a f**king moron. I demand a rematch.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 25, 2009, 05:45:14 AM
Wow...Rothwell was robbed. Mazagatti is a f**king moron. I demand a rematch.
I think that the fight was stopped so that Rothwell wouldn't get hurt beyond the human ability to heal, He took 7 clean hits to his face before the judge stopped the fight, and those weren't thrown by a fight with weak punches and it wasn't the only hits he took during the fight, some ppl don't get knocked out, they get brain damaged or die in the hospital some hours after the fight, this have happened in Boxing.
And that's one of the reason why UFC doesn't have a standing 8 count in their rules.
However, I think that Rothwell did a good job, he have nothing to be ashamed off.
He'll only need to get a little better on defending himself, even if he feels like that he doesn't need too.
I haven't seen the fight yet but someone told me Shogun won the fight clear as day, but the judges stole the fight from him.
It is true?
Not really. Shogun was the aggressor and landed some good shots, but Machida wasn't reeling to the point where you were saying "Whoa, how is this guy still standing?"
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 25, 2009, 06:16:17 AM
Not really. Shogun was the aggressor and landed some good shots, but Machida wasn't reeling to the point where you were saying "Whoa, how is this guy still standing?"
Funny, I was thinking just those words " Whoa, how is this guy still standing" in the 5 th round when Shogun continued to land his leg kicks. But that wasn't the same thing you where talking about.
I understand that one shouldn't leave it up to the judges, but in this case and this case alone, I thought that it really wasn't any question about who won the fight.
I know that it's harder for the contender to win a decision in a championship fight, but this fight was Shoguns, hands down, without question.
The problem here is the 10 Point Must system needs to go...people have been talking about it for years but last night's main event is rock solid proof that it's time has come and gone...
Shogun lands 82 strikes to Machida's 42 and loses because 49 of them were to the legs..? Bullshit...
This is not boxing, this is MMA and it should be scored as such...
Like I said, Shogun was the aggressor, but he never capitalized whenever Machida fell backwards. Machida always came back and was hanging in there. Shogun didn't go for the openings when he had them.
LESNAR/CARWIN POSTPONED!?!?!!!!!
http://www.fighters.com/10/26/exclusive-shane-carwin-im-fighting-brock-lesnar-at-ufc-108
There are classes at 12:30, yes. But most of them happen at night; I hear ya on the chilling deal.
So you got 12:30 classes in the day time?
How long did you train in other arts before you took up formal M-M-A?
Before
So you didn't train in muay thai, BJJ, boxing, etc...prior to MMA?
Interesting.
Interesting. My coach told me to spend at least 6 months training in other arts before getting into MMA, but I think a year is more realistic. Long as I keep up at leasy my BJJ and thai, I should be good.
How are you enjoying it so far?
It's fun! I'm loving it. I slammed a guy, which pissed him off pretty bad. He had me in an arm bar, and because I was bigger, I lifted him up and slammed down on his back and that got him riled up, so I can't do that next time.
I walked out with a couple of pains...stretched out arm, knee to the hip while I was grappling. I ALMOST made a guy tap out. I had his back twice and both times I was going for either a rear naked or guilltoine. Legs were around his lower abdominal area but I couldn't turn him over coz he was bigger than me and I couldn't get my arms around his to secure the choke.
Cool.
Well the thing is, slamming isn't allowed in BJJ. That's what the class, pure BJJ and not an MMA class. In BJJ only grappling is allowed. There is no striking. I only slammed him because it was instinctual; I just wanted to break the hold.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 25, 2009, 05:45:14 AM
Wow...Rothwell was robbed. Mazagatti is a f**king moron. I demand a rematch.
Disagree.
While it's true that he was technically capable of defending himself... he still neglected to do so. If you make no effort to defend yourself and eat punches to the head, the ref is going to end the fight and Rothwell should have known this. Even if the fight had continued, I couldn't see Rothwell winning that without some major luck. The guy was a punching bag.
As for the Machida vs Shogun fight... yeah that was a major upset in my opinion. I would have given Machida round 3, MAYBE. That was the only round where he actually did anything noteworthy and really forced Shogun onto the back-foot. In all the other rounds, Shogun was in total control of the fight, destroying Machida's legs and left side.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Oct 27, 2009, 05:14:42 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 25, 2009, 05:45:14 AM
Wow...Rothwell was robbed. Mazagatti is a f**king moron. I demand a rematch.
Disagree.
While it's true that he was technically capable of defending himself... he still neglected to do so. If you make no effort to defend yourself and eat punches to the head, the ref is going to end the fight and Rothwell should have known this. Even if the fight had continued, I couldn't see Rothwell winning that without some major luck. The guy was a punching bag.
He was getting up. It's true he should have been defending himself but the fact that he was getting up, to me means that he could've kept on fighting. Much as Velasquez was pounding on him, Ben just wouldn't stay down. I'm hung up on this I guess because Rothwell worked very hard to earn a fight in the UFC and I wouldn't want to see a guy like him thrown out the door because of one loss. He's a tough competitor and deserves another shot.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Oct 27, 2009, 05:14:42 PMAs for the Machida vs Shogun fight... yeah that was a major upset in my opinion. I would have given Machida round 3, MAYBE. That was the only round where he actually did anything noteworthy and really forced Shogun onto the back-foot. In all the other rounds, Shogun was in total control of the fight, destroying Machida's legs and left side.
I would've been happier with a split decision. Thing is, much as Shogun was tearing into Machida, he never fully capitalized on opportunities to take Machida down whenever he was reeling. Rua landed some great hits which made Lyoto fall backwards, but for w/e reason Shogun never made an attempt to finish it.
They are suppossed to have a rematch in Feb.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 27, 2009, 07:52:55 PM
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Oct 27, 2009, 05:14:42 PMAs for the Machida vs Shogun fight... yeah that was a major upset in my opinion. I would have given Machida round 3, MAYBE. That was the only round where he actually did anything noteworthy and really forced Shogun onto the back-foot. In all the other rounds, Shogun was in total control of the fight, destroying Machida's legs and left side.
I would've been happier with a split decision. Thing is, much as Shogun was tearing into Machida, he never fully capitalized on opportunities to take Machida down whenever he was reeling. Rua landed some great hits which made Lyoto fall backwards, but for w/e reason Shogun never made an attempt to finish it.
I agree that he would have done alot better if he would have tried to take Machida down, maybe go for a submission but I think that he was trying not to make the same misstake Forrest did against Anderson.
When Rua hit Machida in the head with a punch in the begining of the first round, he was countered.
I think trying to trade with Machida is very unvise, trying to finish him when he ain't shaken is unvise too, then you're doing what he wants you to do, Machida is very dangerous when he's falling back and the opponet is trying to capitalise on it, that's how you get KO'ed...
...I think...
Isn't the karate style mostly a counter style anyways?
Didn't see the fight as I was in Lexington watching UK play football.
Quote from: Milan on Oct 27, 2009, 11:47:24 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 27, 2009, 07:52:55 PM
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Oct 27, 2009, 05:14:42 PMAs for the Machida vs Shogun fight... yeah that was a major upset in my opinion. I would have given Machida round 3, MAYBE. That was the only round where he actually did anything noteworthy and really forced Shogun onto the back-foot. In all the other rounds, Shogun was in total control of the fight, destroying Machida's legs and left side.
I would've been happier with a split decision. Thing is, much as Shogun was tearing into Machida, he never fully capitalized on opportunities to take Machida down whenever he was reeling. Rua landed some great hits which made Lyoto fall backwards, but for w/e reason Shogun never made an attempt to finish it.
I agree that he would have done alot better if he would have tried to take Machida down, maybe go for a submission but I think that he was trying not to make the same misstake Forrest did against Anderson.
When Rua hit Machida in the head with a punch in the begining of the first round, he was countered.
I think trying to trade with Machida is very unvise, trying to finish him when he ain't shaken is unvise too, then you're doing what he wants you to do, Machida is very dangerous when he's falling back and the opponet is trying to capitalise on it, that's how you get KO'ed...
...I think...
That certainly wasn't the case in this fight. Machida only exploded twice at most. Shogun should've stepped up IMO.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 28, 2009, 04:49:59 AM
Quote from: Milan on Oct 27, 2009, 11:47:24 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 27, 2009, 07:52:55 PM
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Oct 27, 2009, 05:14:42 PMAs for the Machida vs Shogun fight... yeah that was a major upset in my opinion. I would have given Machida round 3, MAYBE. That was the only round where he actually did anything noteworthy and really forced Shogun onto the back-foot. In all the other rounds, Shogun was in total control of the fight, destroying Machida's legs and left side.
I would've been happier with a split decision. Thing is, much as Shogun was tearing into Machida, he never fully capitalized on opportunities to take Machida down whenever he was reeling. Rua landed some great hits which made Lyoto fall backwards, but for w/e reason Shogun never made an attempt to finish it.
I agree that he would have done alot better if he would have tried to take Machida down, maybe go for a submission but I think that he was trying not to make the same misstake Forrest did against Anderson.
When Rua hit Machida in the head with a punch in the begining of the first round, he was countered.
I think trying to trade with Machida is very unvise, trying to finish him when he ain't shaken is unvise too, then you're doing what he wants you to do, Machida is very dangerous when he's falling back and the opponet is trying to capitalise on it, that's how you get KO'ed...
...I think...
That certainly wasn't the case in this fight. Machida only exploded twice at most. Shogun should've stepped up IMO.
...and if he did that he'll end up being KO'ed just like the last opponents Machida fought before him.
If Machida is going to be beaten then he needs to fight an opponent who doesn't fight like the opponents he fought and won over before.
The only one who have managed to beat Machida is Shogun.
And that's because he didn't go head hunting in the octagon.
I know that the fight ended with Machida as the winner, that's on paper but after watching the 5 rounds then there's really no question at all who won the fight.
When the 5th round ended we all knew who won the fight, even Machida and his corner knew it, Shogun knew it, everyone in the audience knew it, Dana knew it, the only ones who somehow missed it was the judges.
It's a shame, really.
Quote of the week, again from Evans: (on Mitrione's "phone call") "This boi's cheese dun fall offa his cracker!" :D
Yo, Rampage has lost it. That was some fight. I expected Matt to pass out towards the end of the 1st round.
Yeah, that was funny.
My goodness, that fight was hilarious! I couldn't stop laughing of how tired those two were.
Was the door Rampage tore apart, a prop? I was not impressed. haha...
Prop or otherwise, he was angry man. Now I know why they call him "Rampage".
I'm pulling for Marcus in the last fight. He deserves to win, good ol'e Big Baby ;D
It was just a regular wooden door. They are hollow. There is a name for them, I just don't remember what they are called.
Marcus is going to run out of steam in about a minute and 35 seconds. Watch. Big dudes that are mostly muscle like that use all the oxygen in their bodies VERY quickly.
He'll have to win with a power shot knockout almost immediately. Or fight smart and not go all out right away and conserve energy.
Longer it goes, the greater trouble he'll be in. The flipside is that Marcus probably has a strength advantage over every other fighter in the house. We are talking Brock Lesnar type of strength.
haha, hollow core interior door?
Anyhow, Jones' stamina is definitely going to be a factor. He's never seen round 2 in his 5 MMA fights so I'm sure Wessel is preparing for that...should be a good one.
I doubt Marcus has Lesnar-level strength. He's a big guy but he isn't a monster. As for his fights not going up to round two; does he end his matches quickly?
Yep, like three under 2 minutes and one just under 3...he was also TKO'd in less than 2 minutes as well
Was the knockout due to fatigue?
Worse, he was getting punched too many times.
:P
I really don't want to see him lose though. Poor guy's been wanting to fight since day one.
Oh, P.S., did you guys hear about Kimbo? So much for TUF, he's fighting anyway. (http://www.examiner.com/x-9970-San-Jose-MMA-Examiner~y2009m10d16-Kimbo-Slice-Will-Get-Another-Chance-in-the-UFC)
TUF is just for the contract. Most of the fighters have fought before in the UFC or other MMA organizations and will continue to do so.
As for Kimbo vs. Alexander, It'll be a slugfest! I like both fighters, so may the best fighter win.
Kimbo is soooo overrated. I can't wait to see him get into the Octagon and watch him tapout when Mir gets him in armbar. The only reason, the only reason he's gained any popularity is because Dana White signed him to the UFC.
I may have said this before, but it's worth repeating.
He was popular way before he joined professional MMA. I take you never watched any of his backyard brawls.
I know he was popular, but now he's receiving too much exposure. He has zero skill and will not survive in the world of MMA. He has no takedowns, no takedown defense, no submissions, no submission defence. He has striking power, but he doesn't kick much.
You need to calm down and count to 10, young man.
You forgot one thing though, he has a great attitude. ;)
Rofl, I am calm! He does have a great attitude indeed. But that won't win him fights. He still needs skill. I think he'd do better as a boxer.
Agreed.
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 01, 2009, 02:20:21 PM
Yeah, it might be a little too late for him in the MMA world. Maybe he should try boxing.
See, great minds think alike ;D
Kimbo aside...this season of TUF has been pretty good. I really laughed when Evans called Rampage out on joining the show then Rampage admitted he wasn't a coach.
Oh man, that was demoralizing for his fighters.
Rampage: "You fighters are happy, right"
Fighters: Cricket, cricket...
How are fighters picked as coaches, any idea? Are their names thrown in a hat, or does Dana approach them specifically and ask them?
Not sure, but from the looks of it, the coaches are often the next big UFC bout.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 30, 2009, 02:01:45 PM
I doubt Marcus has Lesnar-level strength. He's a big guy but he isn't a monster. As for his fights not going up to round two; does he end his matches quickly?
Number 1 pick in the NFL at the defensive line position? Your talking about guys that have to bench just under 600 lbs on average to even keep their job. Its also the sport Lesnar washed out from. The standard for college lineman is between 400-500 lbs. The pro level takes the best athletes from every school and ends up with a league of physical freaks.
That said, strength alone doesn't mean a whole lot. See tank abbott.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 30, 2009, 11:51:34 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 30, 2009, 02:01:45 PM
I doubt Marcus has Lesnar-level strength. He's a big guy but he isn't a monster. As for his fights not going up to round two; does he end his matches quickly?
Number 1 pick in the NFL at the defensive line position? Your talking about guys that have to bench just under 600 lbs on average to even keep their job. Its also the sport Lesnar washed out from. The standard for college lineman is between 400-500 lbs. The pro level takes the best athletes from every school and ends up with a league of physical freaks.
Fair enough.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 30, 2009, 11:51:34 PMThat said, strength alone doesn't mean a whole lot. See tank abbott.
Oh lol, given the record of "Most Losses" by UFC magazine...18-10!
Yeah, he's another guy that could bench 600.
Great episode tonight. I was so happy when Marcus won, Wessel is a bitch. Writing "sucks balls" beneath the pictures was so damn immature, I couldn't wait to see Marcus kick his lilly ass. Marcus has some serious BJJ, I'm impressed.
It was awesome hearing Dana call out Big Country on his fight; much as I think White is a loser capitalist, he's right. Nelson's fight sucked.
As for Rampage and Evans...nothing new I guess. These two will eventually come to blows.
Dam man Tito is fighting Griffin again? Wow, as much as I want to see Tito win again I really think this fight is too soon for him. Tito needs to start fighting smaller fighters and then work his way up to Griffin just to be safe.
Not sure I agree. Griffin is one of the best in the world, but his loss against Silva is weighing heavily against him. Psychologically, it'll play to Ortiz' advantage. I hope Griffin is in better form, for his sake. He can't afford another loss.
Not sure if I agree with that either, the last fight Tito won in the UFC was with Ken Shamrock. Thats pathetic, my instructors at my school could beat Ken lol anybody can beat him up.
Tito hasn't been in the UFC in a long freakin time, he hasn't won a fight in the UFC in a long freakin time. So I say "psychologically" hes going to get the UFC jitters again, especially fighting someone like Griffin.
Tito ain't the same fighter he used to be which is a bad thing and Griffin as improved as a fighter big time since UFC 59. Griffin is a tough guy, I'm sure he was sad from the Silva knock out but I'm also sure hes over it now and just dying to kick Titos ass.
Anyone else watch Fedor vs. Rogers last night?
My grandmama gave me that chin (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4633582)
I missed the fight, but I heard about it. I can't wait to hear how many people are going to claim this win is undisputable, conclusive, and definite proof that Fedor can beat Lesnar ::)
I watched it live and thought that Rogers got the first round by virtue of simply doing more damage. He broke/bloodied Fedor's nose, and beat up his face in a ground and pound situation before having his head almost knocked off in the second round.
It was a perfect shot by Fedor though. He timed it just right and threw a straight power shot to the chin to get the KO.
Yeah, I was a little worried when Rogers was on top of him dropping bombs...very impressive how Fedor was able to put him in a couple of submissions or at least tried to after that.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 08, 2009, 07:25:18 PM
I missed the fight, but I heard about it. I can't wait to hear how many people are going to claim this win is undisputable, conclusive, and definite proof that Fedor can beat Lesnar ::)
He'll beat Lesnar, but this wasn't the fight that proved it...we still have to see how Lesnar does against Carwin.
I disagree. While Fedor is indeed the better fighter, Lesnar is bigger, stronger, and has unmatched wrestling skills.
Fedor is a punishment sponge, despite Rogers having several clean shots on his face, Rogers couldn't even phase him.
Fedor also threw Rogers around like a rag doll when he wanted too, and Rogers is MUCH bigger than Fedor.
Fedor's only stumbling block was the jab he caught and the fact he underestimated Rogers strength in that fight.
Fedor has the better hands, the superior submissions, and doesn't seem to get hurt.
Brock is huge, probably can outwrestle him, and would be stronger.
As long as Lesnar didn't try to fight Fedor standing up, he could win by holding fedor on the ground and punching him in the face. Fedor ALWAYS gets bloodied, and the damage could appear worse to a ref than it actually is.
Never forget: Technically, Fedor is the better striker. But, so was Randy Couture and we all know what happened to him. He was tagged with one of Lesnar's infamous "lunch boxes" and went down.
Couture is old though. He just has tremendous heart and high fighters IQ to keep him in fight. He doesn't age like the rest of us, true, but he does age.
Fedor isn't a young man, but he isn't an old one either.
Of course you still can't really tell how good rogers is. He's fought a whole bunch of garbage fighters and Arvloski. Who is or is close to being, washed up.
This guy was a little taller and a little stronger than Fedor, but Fedor still won. haha, seriously though, if Lesnar did the charging bull and kept Fedor pinned (like he did Mir) he has a chance...I'm pretty sure Fedor won't let that happen.
One overhand right from the Last Emperor, would put Lesnar to sleep.
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What the...who is that behemoth?!?!! :o
Damn. Well, in any event, Lesnar vs. Fedor would be a close fight IMO. Fedor has all the experience in the world, and Lesnar has arguably the best wrestling skills of any MMA fighter.
Both rounds of Fedor and Rogers fight. (http://www.mmator.com/fedor-emelianenko-vs-brett-rogers---fight-video-strikeforce-t10776.html)
Wow...where the f**k did that last right hand come from lol :o
Fedor put up a good fight, but it's not as if he totally dominated like so many people would have one believe. Rogers controlled the better part of Round 1 and he f**ked Fedor up pretty bad.
Yep, if that fight proved anything, that Fedor can in fact.....
bleed.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 10, 2009, 02:23:52 AM
Wow...where the f**k did that last right hand come from lol :o
Rogers was wondering the same thing.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 10, 2009, 02:23:52 AM
Fedor put up a good fight
Correction, Rogers put up a good fight.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 10, 2009, 02:23:52 AM
, but it's not as if he totally dominated like so many people would have one believe. Rogers controlled the better part of Round 1 and he f**ked Fedor up pretty bad.
Do you think a jab and a few punches wins a round? Fedor threw Rogers around and rocked him...not to mention the several submission attempts.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Nov 10, 2009, 03:26:44 AM
Yep, if that fight proved anything, that Fedor can in fact..... bleed.
That's not new to me. He's bleed a lot through his career.
Man, TUF keeps getting better and better: always gives me more reasons to laugh at Rampage. His chicken prank (which, by the way, I thought was lame and kinda cruel) fails, and he almost cries about it :D
Damn, I missed it last night. Who won and what kind of prank did he pull?
Nelson. Wren was looking really good in the 1st round, but as soon as the 2nd kicked off, he was gassing out fast. And White isn't anymore impressed with Nelson the 2nd time around. I think White dislikes him; can't say I blame him. Nelson seems a tad cocky.
And speaking of cocks, that's exactly what Rampage and his coaches did: they put roosters in Evans' and coaches' cars. They stuffed the chickens with food the night before to ensure they stank, and they ended up crapping all over the inside of the cars. Naturally, Rampage thought he pulled a good one on Evans, until Evans and associates started chasing the roosters, took them home, and even named them! They enjoyed every bit of it.
So Rampage's impressions on his prank: epic fail. Not quite the reaction he wanted.
Dang, I was hoping he didn't win. I actually think White put him on the show so that he would get his ass kicked.
haha, Evans is a cool dude...I like how he turned the prank around.
Couture is overrated. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/288899-randy-couture-must-lose-for-the-future-of-mma)
Good article, which I agree with.
He's a cash cow that can still compete. People want to see how long a 46 year old man has "it".
No different than the organization already signing kimbo. Or even landing Lesnar. If he's a draw, he's going to stick with the organization.
I DO think he's overrated. But the dude is all heart, and if he can still compete at a high level, let him go for it.
Oh absolutely, Couture can still rumble with the best of em. But, he's being overhyped and his constant exposure is preventing the younger guys from really making a name for themselves.
I'm pretty sure Vera is going to win this weekend.
Always thought Vera was too weak for heavyweight.
Guys, pick up the new issue of UFC Magazine. The interview with Lesnar is f**king awesome. Just. Read. It.
Oh, and the discussion of how having the right guys in your corner can help you win a fight, in reference to Nate Marquardt's major win at UFC 102, was nice too ;D
C'mon man, scan them pages and post'em here! ;D
Quote from: Kimarhi on Nov 14, 2009, 04:18:03 AM
Always thought Vera was too weak for heavyweight.
I did too until he TKO'd Mir.
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Seriously, I'm crying right now. I'm so f**king upset about this.
haha, I like his opinion on the TUF contenders, also, he doesn't know where his championship belt is, so we should ask his wife. :D Thanks, Doom!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 15, 2009, 05:04:12 AM
Seriously, I'm crying right now. I'm so f**king upset about this.
Damn, I thought he was just going to take his meds and be back on his feet. Not good at all.
No worries friend. Best quote: "No, the only thing that would be bouncign would be [Mir's] head off the canvas again."
I became so giddy after I read that, I started clapping :-[
WEC 44 Brown vs. Aldo (http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/1/WEC-44-Brown-vs-Aldo-Preview-20984)
Can't wait to see this one tomorrow. I think it's going to be fast and violent and I don't think it'll go past the the 2nd round.
Brown Aldo will be epic. No clear cut winner there!
Upcomming Army Navy showdown though...
Lesnar's out of the hospital now. Not quite 100%, but he's at home recovering. Apparently he had diverticulitis, which is a common digestive disease that causes small pouches to form in the digestive system.
That is better than AIDS, like various jackoffs on the internet were trying to spark up.
Quote from: Sergeant Oddball on Nov 18, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Brown Aldo will be epic. No clear cut winner there!
Upcomming Army Navy showdown though...
There is my facebook friend...when you say you're never on there, you mean it.
Yeah man, can't wait to see this fight tonight!
Army-Navy huh...off to AXP I go.
Hell, we can have fun with it here to. Likely more vets runnin' around these parts I suspect?
Yeah, I just don't social network much.
Great episode tonight. Schaub is a great fighter, I really want to see him advance to the finals. Though I'll be honest, I thought Madsen would take it via unanimous decision. And since he wrestled with Lesnar back in college, I thought that's what was going to win him the fight. But...
Oh, and my mom watched a little bit of the show with me tonight. Oh my wow, you should've seen the look on her face when she saw Kimbo's face. It just lit up like :o :o :o "He's so ugly, he looks like a gorilla!" I couldn't stop laughing :D and she thinks Rashad has a sweet face!
I still have an hour and 1/2 til' the show comes on...
As for the WEC fights tonight...we have a new Champ. Jose Aldo defeats Brown in the 2nd round. Aldo is the most dangerous 145 pounders I've ever seen. I can't see anyone beating him anytime soon. If he can fight just as good at 155lbs, he'll do well in the in the UFC.
What the hell happened to faber in the wec?
He's still around. He has been recovering from his broken hand in his last fight against Brown. He might be fighting Raphael Assuncao in WEC 46. Assuncao is good too, 14-1, with 8 submissions and 2 TKO's.
He must have shattered his hand then. I remember him breaking it in the fight, but I didn't think it would be that bad since he finished it out.
Think he would've won that fight had his hand not been broken.
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Quote from: Kimarhi on Nov 20, 2009, 02:50:15 AM
Think he would've won that fight had his hand not been broken.
Yeah, I think so too. Not sure if we'll ever know...now that Aldo has the prize.
Faber is more agile than Brown is, Brown was just more powerful up top. I think Brown is more of a paper champion. He caught Faber just right when Faber was trying to throw that elbow and had completely left himself defenseless (a very un Faber like move) and then had the benefit of facing Faber with a broke hand.
I know he knocked some other clown out, and defending your title is suppossed to make you a "true" champion, but I think he benefitted from the luck of the draw. He was in danger of losing the first fight with Faber and couldn't have gone much longer with his ribcage in the condition it was. He couldn't even raise his own hand to accept the belt.
I wanted Tito to win so bad man, he was doing so great in the begining but for some reason he always gasses out later in the rounds. Dam man, dam.
I haven't read any MMA sites yet. What happened...and who won between Koscheck and Johnson?
Koscheck choked him out.
Tito is more powerful than Forrest but hasn't gotten his stamina back yet from his layoff.
He was so gassed at the end of the fight he was just taking shot after shot, including a push kick to an undefended face of all things.
I hate Tito though for the same reason I dislike Lesnar. He's so arrogant I can't stand him.
Thanks!
How do you feel about Anderson Silva?
He's sometimes arrogant but one of the few fighters that can actually back it up against anyone at anytime.
He made Forrest look downright silly. A former lightweight champion that he played around with.
Not to mention he's only lost ONE round in the UFC.
Just watched 106; good PPV! Much better than 103 and 104, that's for damn sure.
The Johnson/Koscheck fight was messed up. After that 2nd eye poke, I really wondered if those two could fight for more than 60 seconds without another illegal move :P All the same, good fight. But title shots? Ya, right. These guys would never last against GSP. GSP has effectively cleaned out the welterweight division and he'll look at Koscheck or even Hardy and say "Really?"
Ortiz and Griffin were awesome as well. Ortiz has some mean GnP man. Never seen him fight before, so to me it's new. The third round wasn't much of a fight though since Griffin was picking Ortiz apart. Ortiz was literally, a moving punching bag coz he didn't do much of anything.
As for Ortiz being arrogant, he isn't. Not in the least. Those fans were booing him, why? Coz he lost? Coz he claims he was injured? Jesus, I'm so with Tito on this one; let's see those losers train and get into the octagon. And I loved what Griffin said to the fans about injuries during training. Great class act, and I would love to see those two fight again a third time!
Your history is a little recent my friend. If you've never seen him fight before this loss then you haven't seen him put on "I just made soandso my bitch," shirts after fights. Direct put downs to the people he just beat.
He can feign humbleness in a loss. He's arrogant as f**k in a win. Look back at some older ppvs if you doubt. Or just wiki Tito Ortiz.
He's talented for sure. And once he gets his stamina back he'll be tough to handle in the 205 weight class because he's not all that old. But he's always been something of a smarmy bastard.
Hardy has the hands to make GSP think about standing up with him. GSP will just take him down and murder him.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Nov 23, 2009, 09:00:25 PM
He's sometimes arrogant but one of the few fighters that can actually back it up against anyone at anytime.
He made Forrest look downright silly. A former lightweight champion that he played around with.
Not to mention he's only lost ONE round in the UFC.
Silva isn't arrogant. He just knows he's a dominating force right now and that he's on top of his game. But he doesn't trash talk anyone.
Not often. But he can.
Some people take his antics after fights as shows of disrespect, but then again everybody hops around after a win.
He's also went to his knees and bowed to people he knocked out in a handful of punches.
I don't get it; why do antics bug so many fans? I'd love to know where this idea came from that after a fight, you have to get up and hug your opponent and smile for the cameras. If you win the fight, you can act however the hell you want to.
Sportsmanship, brother. The victory says it all. No need to dance and do backflips. We get it...at least that's the way I see it.
I understand sportsmanship, but booing a fighter simply because he doesn't hug his opponent and ends up winning a decisive victory and in some cases, retaining his title to my mind, allows him to act however he chooses to.
You must be talking about Lesnar. I understand fights like that. There was so much trash talking going on from Mir, I was glad to see the Champ act a fool.
Haha, I was referencing him (you know me too well...) but I also mean in general. If you win a fight, you can act however the hell you want to.
You can. Especially when its encouraged by the UFC. Doesn't mean you should.
No other sport has the level of buffoonary that MMA has post fight. Not even any other fight sport like the old k1 rules fights or boxing.
Probably why mma is still looked down upon, and the reason why guys who act humble in the cage are generally more well liked than the people that talk alot of shit.
There is always circumstances where I suppose its okay, but those circumstances are very few and far between.
I can understand Lesnar being pumped over the victory over Mir because Mir talked a ton of shit and he avenged an early career loss. But things like Ortiz wearing his tshirts after wins over Shamrock (or other people out of the Lions Den) are childish. I hope Ortiz has his face rearranged after EVERY fight he's in. I absolutely will never pull for the guy. He'd still be getting booed if Griffin didn't try to cover for him.
There is also a difference between Showmanship (Mayhem Miller and Phil Baroni) and arrogance. Those two guys act silly to make you laugh. The others think they are god's gift to man, even after they try to self psych themselves after a loss.
http://www.aroundtheoctagon.com/?p=2794&cpage=1#comment-13181
Terrific interview with Fedor; the man is a real class act! And Kimarhi, he talks about just what you mentioned in your previous post.
See that's the thing. People get onto Fedor because they think he lacks personality. Personally, I like his diplomatic responses. He's actually thinking before he's speaking.
Would like to see him make it into the UFC before his career is over.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Nov 28, 2009, 06:38:57 AM
See that's the thing. People get onto Fedor because they think he lacks personality. Personally, I like his diplomatic responses. He's actually thinking before he's speaking.
Indeed, he gives great interviews. He only looks like he lacks personality because whenever he gets into a ring/octagon, he looks very robotic. Seriously, when have you ever seen him smile before/during a fight?
I would never watch it. I used to take karate when I was a little kid.
Why not?
The current light heavyweight champion's primary discipline is karate.
It just doesnt interest me is all.
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I always liked him as the Green and White Ranger in Mighty Morphin Power Rangers as a kid
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QuoteOn November 7th, 2009, Frank made an announcement on his facebook page stating "I am not doing MMA to boost my career or for publicity. This is what me and my brother who passed away several years ago wanted to do together. This is a personal thing"
I think he'll do well.
Chief, you catch TUF finale?
Isn't it this Saturday?
Season finale, my bad.
I didn't bro...how was it?
f**king A. Here's the line up
Quaterfinals
McSweeney def. Mitrione
Jones def. Schoonover
Semi-finals
Nelson def. McSweeney
Schaub def. Jones
So it's going to be Brandon Schaub vs. Roy Nelson at the finals.
Schaub KO'ed Jones pretty easily. Jones took him down pretty early in the first round, he went for a kimura and was GnPing, but Schaub was able to get to his feet and landed some big punches on Jones. Jones went out like a light after hitting the floor.
http://insidefights.com/2009/12/03/ultimate-fighter-10-episode-11-recap/
There's a full recap.
Crazy!
I just put on Spike right now and they're showing the season finale.
Put your thoughts here when you finish!
Hey Doom, did you have any luck finding a new gym?
Oh ya, long time ago. Check it: http://www.kombatarts.com/
They sure made the finale sad.
What do you mean?
Big Baby's last words and the music, tugged at my heartstings.
Monster trucks!
Whatever, I lost respect for Big Baby after he got in Matt's face over Junk's injury. What a moron...IT'S A FIGHT! SHIT HAPPENS!
I really hope Matt knocks him on his ass tonight.
Besides the challenger finale and Kimbo vs Houston Alexander, what are the other fights?
Here's the full list: http://www.mmamania.com/2009/12/3/1183818/ufc-ultimate-fighter-tuf-finale
Kimbo man..hella impressed. I was always a kimba fan..but damn..he impressed the hell out of me. HE didn't go full on charge in, he played it smart as did houston. You can see he is growing as a mma fighter..he just needs to work on his ground some more..and his conditioning cardio.
I forgot all about it and missed the Kimbo fight. Did see Nelson flat lay out Schaub though.
Kimbo's win was such rubbish. He had the second round sure, but Alexander controlled the first and hung in there for the third. Unanimous decision my ass; he only won that because his name is Kimbo Slice.
Round 1 I believew was definetly Houston however. Kimbo took houston down twice in the 3rd and was the gresser. Which is what the judges look at. I agree though unanimous descision..no. Kimbo is improving though. Your just ignorant if you cannot see..and are just a hater. (when I said your..not meaning towards you)
Eh...maybe I wouldn't be so annoyed if it had been a split decision. Kimbo is definitely improving, and I'll give him credit for his slamming abilities; hell, he might have learned that from Jackson. But he still has a very long way to go if he wants to really compete in MMA.
He's not ever going to be a contender. The best he can hope for at his age is to be the gatekeeper of the heavyweights, kind of like Keith Jardine is the gatekeeper of the LHW.
He simply started too old. And unless he has Couture like staying ability, he'll be out of the UFC in one or two years.
He has arthritis in his knee. What staying ability?
Arthritis at 35? Ouch.
Ya, his knee was f**ked up badly during TUF 10 shooting. It's why Houston made him crumble in the second round.
Kimbo is training at ATT a very respectable mma fighting camp. I agree he does have a long way to go before he competes on a bigger scale..however, he is improving. YEa Houston targeted that knee. I think Kimbo should of had a brace or tape on it. No doubt Kimbo won't be a heavyweight contender..but however for however long he fights until he stops i msure he will put on exciting fights. Nowdays thats all we can ask for.
He is a highly respectable guy and he has 6 kids to feed. HEs just making a living. I feel the hate towards him is really uneeded. I can see hyping him up and such..however the hate towards him just because he is well known is really not needed.
Kimbo slipped in the 3r round..both guys were hella tired. Kimbo really just needs to work on his ground and cardio and it will be interesting how far he goes. Im not saying champion status..however should be some good fights in the future for kimbo. I reckon RIGHT NOW Seth Petruzelli is getting a call. I respect the dude a lot..can't wait to see him in the future.
Any strikforce fans here? If you have showtime check out their show on dec. 19th. Great card! I think every mma fan should like this card. Unless your the casual person who only thinks mma is only the ufc..lmao.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikeforce:_Evolution
SIX kids??? He's been busy.
Actually, that explains what he was doing b/w his time from EliteXC to the UFC.
I don't dislike Kimbo at all. He's just old. If he came into the UFC at 24 he could be a beast. But eleven years later?
Who saw UFC 107?
I did it was freakin awesome!
BJ Penn beat the living sh-t out of Diego Sanchez, it was so bad the beating I really felt sorry for Sanchez, it went too far in the beat down they had to stop it.
http://www.mmalinker.com/videos/view/25809/BJ_Penn_vs_Diego_Sanchez_UFC_107
Ya, that last high kick was devastating. I've gotta hand it to Sanchez though, a lesser man would've been KO'ed after that. Meh, so much for his 'spiritual powers' lol
As for the HW bout; man, did Mir ever mess up Kongo! Mir has gotten way bigger and his striking has vastly improved. But I still say Lesnar will destroy him once they fight again.
Mir supposedly took up power lifting to help counter Lesnar and other super heavyweight sized guys strength.
Good for him. But what Mir is forgetting is that, along with everyone else for that matter, it's not just Lesnar's size. Everyone thinks its only his size that helps him, which isn't true. It's his size, combined with his extreme agility and him knowing how to use his size properly. Size alone won't beat Lesnar.
I think Big Country can beat Lesnar. :-X
No way. He'd never keep up. BC has more agility than you'd believe, sure, but he can't outwreslte someone like Lesnar.
The last fight Lesnar didn't have to use much wrestling, he just oustronged Mir. He held Mir's hand in a nuetral position through much of the fight and Mir couldn't do anything about it.
Powerlifting would definately help counter ONE problem he has with Lesnar and that is Lesnar's strength.
He still isn't going to get as strong as Lesnar is anytime soon. It'd take years to catch up with him unless he uses roids.
If he's strong enough to not be embarrased like he was last fight and can move under Lesnar then I think he'd be able to show some of his Jiu Jitsu.
That's only if he can work on his agility. Once Brock gets on top, there's very little chance that you're going to get out from underneath unless you can out-wrestle him which in Mir's case, is impossible. He doesn't have the same wrestling credentials. The only people that could maybe outwreslte Brock are Carwin and Velasquez.
I agree. But he could move around enough limps to try and get him in a jiu jitsu hold or choke. Which was impossible last time. The manilla gorilla just held him in place.
Limping won't do you any good when you have a man with a 300 lb. frame lying right on your chest.
Should've read limbs.
Actually being able to use your legs for leverage and a potential leg,armbar would be helpful. Lesnar learned not to give Mir anything by the second fight and controlled his hands. When he didn't the first fight he got tapped out.
Mir weight trained just to be able to counter lesnar's strength. By the time they meet again Mir will be strong enough that Lesnar won't be able to control his arms like he did.
No he won't. Again, you're forgetting it's not strength alone. Being strong is fine and dandy, but if you can't keep up with your opponent because he's moving his body in such a way that you can't grab ahold of anything, your strength is neutralized. Lesnar is a pure wrestler. Mir can't outmatch that.
Anyone heard of Wayne Wrath?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 17, 2009, 11:32:26 PM
No he won't. Again, you're forgetting it's not strength alone. Being strong is fine and dandy, but if you can't keep up with your opponent because he's moving his body in such a way that you can't grab ahold of anything, your strength is neutralized. Lesnar is a pure wrestler. Mir can't outmatch that.
And Mir is a Jiu Jitsu ace. He didn't get to show it because Lesnar outstronged him. There is no wrestling move where one holds his opponents hand in the air while he beats them in the face. That has nothing to do with wrestling. That has everything to do with Lesnar realizing his physical superiority and taking advantage of Mir.
Mir realized he needed to be stronger to compete with Lesnar. Hence his power lifting regiment.
I'm not even saying Mir would beat Lesnar in a rubber match. I'm saying that if Mir and Lesnar meet again, its likely to be a more entertaining fight because Mir will be better able to counter Lesnar's strength and move his body around so he's in position to do something.
If you don't think Mir has any sort of ground game, then you haven't watched him break arms and feet using jiu jitsu.
I think your underestimating Mir's ground game (most heavyweights won't follow him to the ground) as well as just how physically dominant Lesnar is compared to the rest of the heavyweights in the strength department. And unlike guys like Tank Abbot and Marcus Jones, Lesnar knows how to use his strength to his advantage.
Anyways, it'll be Mir vs Carwin and either the winner of that getting Nog/Valasquez or Lesnar/HW Contender (winner of nog/valasquez after they fight Lesnar). Within a year we'll know for sure. Personally I think Mir will destroy Carwin, Lesnar will beat Nog (or destroy Valasquez) and meet Mir again in the rubber match.
Mir and Minotauro are Lesnar's primary threats right now.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 18, 2009, 02:25:04 AM
And Mir is a Jiu Jitsu ace. He didn't get to show it because Lesnar outstronged him. There is no wrestling move where one holds his opponents hand in the air while he beats them in the face. That has nothing to do with wrestling. That has everything to do with Lesnar realizing his physical superiority and taking advantage of Mir.
It's the wrestling that allows for it, though.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 18, 2009, 02:25:04 AMI'm not even saying Mir would beat Lesnar in a rubber match. I'm saying that if Mir and Lesnar meet again, its likely to be a more entertaining fight because Mir will be better able to counter Lesnar's strength and move his body around so he's in position to do something. If you don't think Mir has any sort of ground game, then you haven't watched him break arms and feet using jiu jitsu.
I never said Mir doesn't have a ground game. That would total ignorance on my part. He has one of the best ground games in the sport; he's a 3-time BJJ black belt for crying out loud. I'll never forget what he did to Tim Sylvia.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 18, 2009, 02:25:04 AMI think your underestimating Mir's ground game (most heavyweights won't follow him to the ground) as well as just how physically dominant Lesnar is compared to the rest of the heavyweights in the strength department. And unlike guys like Tank Abbot and Marcus Jones, Lesnar knows how to use his strength to his advantage.
Don't know if I mentioned this or not, but I want to know what Mir's conditioning is like now at 264.5. He may be bigger, so for his sake he had better have stepped up his cardio. If he hasn't, the extra weight won't do him shit. Mir isn't known for having a large gas tank.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 18, 2009, 02:25:04 AMAnyways, it'll be Mir vs Carwin and either the winner of that getting Nog/Valasquez or Lesnar/HW Contender (winner of nog/valasquez after they fight Lesnar). Within a year we'll know for sure. Personally I think Mir will destroy Carwin, Lesnar will beat Nog (or destroy Valasquez) and meet Mir again in the rubber match.
Mir and Minotauro are Lesnar's primary threats right now.
I really hope Big Nog wins; it'd be sick to see him fight Lesnar. The Legend versus the Big Thing; kinda like Couture vs. Lesnar.
Nah, we need a Mir/Lesnar 3, with some "Final Battle" type of promoting to back it.
Mir will have to do better than beat Kongo to get a rematch. He'll at least have to go through Carwin. Or the winner of Nog/Velasquez.
Yeah, I know. I was just saying I'd rather see a Mir/Lesnar 3 than Nog/Lesnar.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 18, 2009, 05:08:26 AM
Mir will have to do better than beat Kongo to get a rematch. He'll at least have to go through Carwin. Or the winner of Nog/Velasquez.
Nog/Velasquez isn't happening anymore. Latest I read, Nog is out of that fight out too...pain in the ass, that.
Carwin/Valesquez with Mir waiting to take on the winner?
Are the Lesnar surgery rumors founded at all?
The only official fight at this point seems like Carwin/Mir. No word on whether Lesnar needs more surgery.
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b28ha, UFC 108 card official
Good article on current champions. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/312223-who-will-be-ufc-champion-this-time-next-year-who-will-challenge-them) With the exception of Machida, I think everyone will remain where they are.
Exciting, indeed. Also, I'm looking forward to who is next Vs. Anderson Silva ( my favourite ) :D
I can see him cleaning out LHW, but moving up to HW would be extremely difficult. I can't see him fighting guys like Lesnar, Mir, or Nog.
Yeah, nor he does not want to level up. I'd like to see him in a fight a la Machida Vs. Shogun 's one, in which both fighters had different styles but equally skilled and dangerous.
Except there's no one that could match his skill. He's so damn unpredictable, he can really confuse a fighter. Just ask Franklin or Griffin.
Silva is ridiculous.
He makes good fighters look bad.
Personally I'd like to see him in a catchweight bout with GSP.
That's why he is known as "The Spider". This guy amasses such amount of martial arts knowledge, experience and practice that .. yes; you guys are right; although that's not Silva's problem.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 26, 2009, 12:20:01 AM
Except there's no one that could match his skill.
That's exactly why I miss Pride. The best fighters were there.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 26, 2009, 12:20:01 AM
He's so damn unpredictable, he can really confuse a fighter. Just ask Franklin or Griffin.
Which really isn't fair for a teacher and a slugger off the street to go up against. Those poor bastards never stood a chance.
Quote from: Master Chief on Dec 26, 2009, 05:41:56 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 26, 2009, 12:20:01 AM
Except there's no one that could match his skill.
That's exactly why I miss Pride. The best fighters were there.
Most of them are in the UFC now. They aren't missing anyone really, besides Fedor.
Quote from: Master Chief on Dec 26, 2009, 05:41:56 PM
Which really isn't fair for a teacher and a slugger off the street to go up against. Those poor bastards never stood a chance.
:D I find this funny...don't really know why.
As for MMA, what are you guys picking for your favourite fighter, fight, breakout fighter, etc... for 2009?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 26, 2009, 05:58:29 PM
Most of them are in the UFC now. They aren't missing anyone really, besides Fedor.
You're talking about the notable fighters. You're still missing the few who've beat Silva already.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 26, 2009, 05:58:29 PM
As for MMA, what are you guys picking for your favourite fighter, fight, breakout fighter, etc... for 2009?
Fighter - Fedor
Fight - Lesnar/Mir 2
Breakout Fighter - Jose Aldo
Yours?
Fighter - BJ Penn
Fight - Couture/Nogueira
Breakout Fighter - Lesnar
Promotion - UFC
Ring Girl - Arianny Celeste
MMA Brand - TapOut
Event - UFC 100
KO of the Year - Henderson
UFC 108 was awesome, the fight card was much better than I expected.
Yep, I do agree :D
Looking forward to the upcoming ST-Pierre vs. Hardy !.
I honestly thought Silva was going to finish Evans off in that third round. Those punches were coming down hard.
I thought the same. He should have pressed more, IMO. Was as crazy as hilarious to have Silva provoking Evans that way during the third too. Anyway, Evans owned him very well during the first 2 rounds. Didn't expect Evans wrestling that way in that fight!.
That was funny ya, but in a way, Silva needed it. Had he not provoked Evans like that, he would've lost even more definitively. I just hope Evans is ready for Rampage coz he's carrying around a lot of anger right now.
Fight of the night to me was definitely Stout vs. Lauzon. Lauzon was sooooo gassed by the third round, man. He needs new cardio training ASAP.
Didn't get to watch it, but I'm excited for the Evans/Jackson matchup.
I think Jackson would straight up pwn Evans had they fought when they were suppossed to, but Jackson hasn't trained in awhile, and from what I hear Evans has greatly improved his boxing.
Still give the edge to Jackson simply because he's bigger and much more powerful, but the last time he had a huge layoff he lost to Forrest Griffin.
By the way .. I can't wait for the Machida Vs. Shogun's rematch. That first fight was, for the lack of a better word, outstanding!.
I don't expect it to last very long. Both fighters will have improved, and I expect Machida to take it to Rua.
Machida is going to lose.
When is the Evans/Jackson fight?
I don't think Machida will lose. He knows what Rua's game is now, so expect him to be more offensive the next time they meet.
As for Evans/Jackson, UFC 113 seems like the likeliest date.
Nice, I can't wait. I hope Evans smashes Jackson's face with that same right that Liddell ate.
Damn straight, and he likely will too. Rampage has been out for a while now and I doubt his skills are up to snuff. Evans needs to work on his conditioning though. He was definitely feeling those hands from Silva.
I'm looking forward to Mir/Carwin at 111 for the Interim title fight. I think Carwin will hold his own, but realistically, I doubt he'll get past Mir.
Yeah man, me too. I'd certainly like Mir to walk through Carwin like he did Kongo, but it might not be that easy.
I doubt Evans will stand with Jackson. I cant remember Jackson knocked out on his feet unless you count Wanderlai's clinch. And if Jackson has that long to prepare, then his stamina should be back. The man isn't going to forget how to throw punches.
Evans needs to take it to the ground to win imo. Otherwise I think you'll see how much powerful Jackson is than Evans.
That said, even though he's smashed guys like Wanderlai and Liddel for easy KO's in more recent matches, he's also having trouble finishing guys. I expected him to be all over Forrest and Jardine, but you didn't get that.
He can almost be two different fighters, but more often than not he shows up against people he cannot stand.
Even on the ground, it'd be tough I think. Jackson has some pretty good wrestling but then again, he's not a Div I champ like Evans. Evans just needs to get his standup in tip-top shape. He can't afford to be battered in any round like he did against Thiago b/c Rampage is coming in with a lot of hate.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 07, 2010, 03:32:37 AM
Yeah man, me too. I'd certainly like Mir to walk through Carwin like he did Kongo, but it might not be that easy.
That won't happen. Mir will definitely win, but I see going to the 2nd round at least. Carwin has a solid ground game and a heavy right hand. His only real problem is that (that we know of) is that he's a slow hitter. Sure he stopped Gonzaga, but he looked confused when he threw that punch.
I don't know enough about Carwin to know how good he is really, but I've heard he's gorilla strong like Lesnar.
That said, Div II all America and D1 All America (like Lesnar) aren't the same thing. I could've played Div II football and I only consider myself an average athlete. Not saying some studs don't come from DII schools, but its usually because of grades, and not because they chose a place like EKU or WKU for school.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 07, 2010, 05:15:31 AM
I doubt Evans will stand with Jackson.
I think he will. I can't remember a match when he hasn't.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 07, 2010, 05:15:31 AM
I cant remember Jackson knocked out on his feet unless you count Wanderlai's clinch.
Twice he did that to him. Don't forget how Shogun soccer kicked his ass out the ring. haha.
Anyhow, it sure has been hyped so I think we'll get our money's worth.
Never saw the shogun fight. I do think that when Jackson fought Wanderlai the two times in Pride that Jackson was a young one understanding the game, and that Wanderlai was in his prime.
Jackson is now in his prime. Evans is coming into it. Ought to be a good one. I just hope it isn't a thirty second match for either fighter. A fight this hyped needs to be a war.
It sure does. But if it's a punch heard around the world, like Hendo did to Bisping, I'd be okay with it.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 08, 2010, 12:23:02 AM
I don't know enough about Carwin to know how good he is really, but I've heard he's gorilla strong like Lesnar.
That said, Div II all America and D1 All America (like Lesnar) aren't the same thing. I could've played Div II football and I only consider myself an average athlete. Not saying some studs don't come from DII schools, but its usually because of grades, and not because they chose a place like EKU or WKU for school.
Carwin's wrestling prowess isn't as good as Lesnar's. There's a reason he has a Div II award and not Div I. It'd be like saying a degree from a community college is the same as a degree from Harvard. That said, Carwin's wrestling can only help him against Mir's jiu-jitsu. My guess is he'll do what Lesnar did at UFC 100: stay chest-on-chest and smother Mir's hips.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 08, 2010, 01:56:13 AM
It sure does. But if it's a punch heard around the world, like Hendo did to Bisping, I'd be okay with it.
Or like Evans did to Liddell ;D
Liddell needs to hang them up. He's on everybody's KO list lately. liddel was ko'd by both evans/jackson. His last good fight was against Wanderlai. I think his vision is getting bad, because he's left himself totally open for some counters in his last several fights. That usually result in him sleeping on the mat.
The difference between Division 1 and 2 schools is just student body size. Of course athletes would rather play for a big school to get their name recognition out there, but some very freak athletes have come from Div II schools. Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Ben Wallace etc. Thats why I could've played Div II had I kept my grades in order. Its not that five or four star players can't play for a Div II school, its that they don't want to because of the student body size, the name recognition of big schools, the tv time they get, the more money they get with cable sponsors (which leads to better weight rooms) etc. Leaving scholarship spots open for moderate players.
That said, I doubt Carwin is one of those athletes that slipped through the cracks for whatever reason. They are indeed pretty rare.
Did any of you watch the WEC fights last night? It was good. Faber looked good. Looks like he'll be fighting Jose Aldo some time this year for the belt. This will be Faber's toughest fight so far!
I usually don't like the top ranked guys (as Faber was for a very long time) unless I watch them before they are the shit because many of them are so arrogant an unlikeable. Faber has been mostly the opposite. I pull for him.
Can't comment on WEC since I don't watch it (don't how where and when), but I read a good article from Bleacher Report just now about Mark Coleman's career: http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b2sfs
The roid rage vid at the end was pretty funny.
What's the verdict on Bisping over there? I think he's god but that's probably only because he's the sole English guy in the ranks :D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi33.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fd86%2Fgsx009%2Fhaha.jpg&hash=0e7d42ee48c46bf68045f1a8a2cad8280e874a03)
;)
xD pretty much!
He talked to much to Hendo and it cost him his face.
I maintain Lesnar's method of shutting Frank Mir's mouth was much more satisfying. Though apparently, Hendo's last right hand caused quite a stir. Some folks saw it as non-classy.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 16, 2010, 04:43:23 AM
... Though apparently, Hendo's last right hand caused quite a stir. Some folks saw it as non-classy.
Although that looked more elbow than right hand to me wasn't much classy due that the Bespin was completely K.O down there. So I do agree on that.
It was a lesson to Bisping to shut his mouth and keep it shut.
That ko could only be topped off if Bisping's head would've detached and spiraled into the crowed. lulz
Quote from: The_Silencer on Jan 16, 2010, 06:45:29 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 16, 2010, 04:43:23 AM
... Though apparently, Hendo's last right hand caused quite a stir. Some folks saw it as non-classy.
Although that looked more elbow than right hand to me wasn't much classy due that the Bespin was completely K.O down there. So I do agree on that.
I disagree. It's a fight. It ends when the ref jumps in and stops it. The fighter can deliver one last finishing blow if it gets the job done.
I know what you mean.. but that was a mega finishing blow, my friend. ;D Anyway, I'd like to see a rematch.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 16, 2010, 08:03:16 AM
Quote from: The_Silencer on Jan 16, 2010, 06:45:29 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 16, 2010, 04:43:23 AM
... Though apparently, Hendo's last right hand caused quite a stir. Some folks saw it as non-classy.
Although that looked more elbow than right hand to me wasn't much classy due that the Bespin was completely K.O down there. So I do agree on that.
I disagree. It's a fight. It ends when the ref jumps in and stops it. The fighter can deliver one last finishing blow if it gets the job done.
When jackson ko'd Wanderlai something similar happened where he followed Wanderlai to the ground and threw a couple more bombs before the ref stopped it.
Sometimes I think even the refs have an "OH shit!" moment when guys get ko'd, as oppossed to the fighter who is still amped up and trying to get the job done.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 16, 2010, 07:17:18 PM
Sometimes I think even the refs have an "OH shit!" moment when guys get ko'd, as oppossed to the fighter who is still amped up and trying to get the job done.
You mean like when Herb Dean did a survival dive on Cro Cop's behalf after Gonzaga knocked him out?
;D
I'd say more often than not the refs are on their game and fights stop where they are suppossed to, but I think some knockouts are so jawdropping and out of left field that they are even caught off guard and pause.
Ya, like in the Cro Cop/Gonzaga fight 8)
This just made my day ;D ;D ;D
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4842056&categoryid=2378529
Damn Canadian health care, you could have killed him! Haha. Glad he's ready to fight again. Mir/Lesnar 3!
They should milk the Mir fight a little bit and give Valasquez/Minotauro the shot of fighting him first.
Otherwise half his career matches will be against the same dude.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 20, 2010, 10:32:31 PM
Damn Canadian health care, you could have killed him!
Except it was the U.S. system that mis-diagnosed him in the first place ;)
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 20, 2010, 10:32:31 PMMir/Lesnar 3!
Speaking of that: http://www.fightline.com/fl/news/2010/0120/478107/brock-lesnar/index.shtml
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 20, 2010, 10:54:45 PM
They should milk the Mir fight a little bit and give Velasquez/Minotauro the shot of fighting him first.
Otherwise half his career matches will be against the same dude.
That's true. But damn, Mir/Lesnar feud sure makes for some good action!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 20, 2010, 11:33:50 PM
Except it was the U.S. system that mis-diagnosed him in the first place ;)
I think that was a free clinic he went to. ;D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 20, 2010, 11:33:50 PM
Speaking of that: http://www.fightline.com/fl/news/2010/0120/478107/brock-lesnar/index.shtml
haha...stalker.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 20, 2010, 10:54:45 PM
They should milk the Mir fight a little bit and give Valasquez/Minotauro the shot of fighting him first.
Otherwise half his career matches will be against the same dude.
I really want to see a re-match between Nog and Mir. No way Nog will be the same pushover he was last time.
Mir executed an impresive boxing at that fight. I'd like to see a rematch as well, indeed. ;)
I disagree. He only looked good, because Nog looked bad. That's no secret. Mir's boxing skills were shown off in the fight against Kongo. That was impressive; that left hand was devatasting to say the least, but at the same time, it didn't knock Kongo out.
On a side note, Jackie Chan no like MMA (http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b2yxN).
I want a Shaolin monk to come in the UFC, get his ass whooped, and then end the mystic martial arts crap that won't leave the sport alone.
I never understood any of that. If you respect the art, that's fine, but some of those guys treat it like a religion of sorts.
There will always be "purist" martial artist that think their guys know something nobody else does until its proven otherwise.
I believe just about every discipline has been represented in mma in one form or another aside from whatever it is the Shaolin Monks practice (a certain type of Kung Fu?), thus Shaolin still have that mystic status of being untouchable.
They are suppossed to be legendary for the callouses they form that protects their chins and forearms from blunt trauma due to their training. But every fighter hardens their bodies to take blows. An everyday man isn't going to be able to hurt Mike Tyson, as evidenced by two guys jumping him with bar stools and he still beat both their asses.
Mystic stuff isnt real. It isn't something nobody else hasn't done or isn't currently doing. I've had weighted ballls pounced off my stomach while doing crunches to replicate what it feels like to be hit with a body shot while using your core muscles for something else (taking swing at opponent, backpedaling to defend etc) Is what it is.
Straight from Arianny herself: "I don't mind walking around naked. I sleep naked. I don't like clothes, period."
My kind of woman ;D
Nice visual!
Anyone catch Herschel Walker's MMA debut? He won, but if he was facing a seasoned fighter, I don't think he would've made it out of round 1.
Probably not. I reckon they will do what Elite XC did with Kimbo. Step him up from nobody's to experienced, but average competition.
The dude IS 47, but by god, when I'm 47 I want to look just like that mofo.
It's amazing what a fighter can do at 47. I think Couture will have to retire at some point in the near future, but I've gotta hand it to him, he's going strong. I have no doubt he will crush Mark Coleman this Saturday.
I'm going for Coleman.
Never really liked Coleman.
Couture only "won" his last fight imo because Vera does not have the physicality to deal with large guys with decent wrestling abilities.
Couture put him wherever he wanted him, but didn't damage Vera. It was an ugly, ugly fight.
I'll still go with Couture, but his last fight was NOT impressive.
I hated that fight.
I've always like Coleman and his wrestling skills. I hope I can still call him the Godfather of ground and pound after this weekend.
That's his problem; it's all he knows. He can shoot sure, but Randy is known for his wrestling. Coleman had better be bringing something fresh otherwise he won't have much to fight with.
Dude, Coleman is a great wrestler.
Compared to Couture though? Coleman's last fight was against Stephan Bonnar and the fight wasn't exactly fight of the night material. IMO Bonnar could've won had Coleman not out-muscled him. Coleman was looking very tired by the 2nd round and I doubt he has the cardio to keep up with Randy, especially since Mark had to cut weight.
Yep...and what does that fight have to do with this one?
Both fighters got their win and know what they have to do for this one coming up. It's going to be a good battle.
Fairly big fan of MMA.
To be honest I am not really into it that much. For a time I wanted to be a UFC fighter though!
:D So which is it, are you a fan or not?
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 04, 2010, 07:28:11 AM
Yep...and what does that fight have to do with this one?
That I doubt his conditioning. I don't think he'll last 3 rounds with Randy.
He trained at the top of Mt. Wannahockaloogie. He's good to go!
Oh, well then...
Damn...Coleman needs to hang his gloves up. :'(
I really liked how the Alien vs. Predator game was advertiesed during the fights. :)
I didn't see the fight, but really...should the outcome surprise you that much?
haha...I actually thought Coleman was going to at least try and NOT get hit.
Wow. Not only did Coleman get humiliated by Couture, but also by Tito.
Oh lawl.
Did anyone hear what Tito said?
Paybacks are a bitch.
Heh, Tito is a funny guy... ;D
I'm glad he's back...anyone remember the ultimate fighter show with hÃm and Ken Shamrock as coaches?
Man, he was funny, my favorite season.
Tito doesn't seem to have a whole lot of fans. I do think he should watch his mouth, but the guy can fight. Not as if he's all talk.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 10, 2010, 06:17:14 AM
Tito doesn't seem to have a whole lot of fans. I do think he should watch his mouth, but the guy can fight. Not as if he's all talk.
Yeah, you're right about that.
I see Tito the same way I see Rampage, they like to run their mouths...
...sometimes they're funny but I never see anything they say as serious.
They got a mean sense of humor, so do I.
Guess that's why I can't hate on them, they aren't rude, they're just funny ;D
Tito has enemies man, don't kid yourself. Even Dana White couldn't stand him for a time. Well then again, that was before Dana needed him...
Rampage is just an idiot.
Any of y'all have predictions for UFC 110 this Saturday?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 18, 2010, 01:28:36 AM
Any of y'all have predictions for UFC 100 this Saturday?
Looks at calendar.
Doom, when did you get a time machine?
I invented one last summer. Was just picking my moment, see.
So...about those predictions...
Awesome fight card last night!
CroCop is back, Sotiropolous has created a name for himself, Vader is ready to fight, Silva wants to kick ass, and Cain knocked out a health Nog!
Anyone else watch it?
Damn...sounds like I missed out!
How was the Silva fight?
It was really good. Bisping has huge heart, I'll give him that. Silva caught him with two border-line KO's literally, at the end of the first and third round, and almost submitted him at the end of round 2 in a guillotine. The only problem was, he could have finished Bisping off each time; for real. But it was too late each time.
Watch it somewhere!
Dana White came to Toronto yesterday and I missed it!!! Despite a great showing and enthusiasm from fans, our dumbass Premier won't prioritize MMA legalisation :(
It's time Dalton!!! Get your shit together!!!!!
What do you guys think about the GSP match up?
I seen the contender fight and he ain't all bad but I feel like there's plenty of other people who deserve a shot at the title before this dude.
Hardy is very powerful up top. Not sure about his wrestling ability, but St. Pierre might want to avoid throwing with Hardy if he can.
That said, this fight has Diego Sanchez vs BJ Penn written all over it.
Talented prospect on his way up, but still not the same level as the vet.
GSP will mop the floor with Hardy. Hardy has standup going for him coz he's a good striker, but he's not on GSP's level he sure as hell doesn't have the same ground game.
I think GSP is more technical, but Hardy has the heavier hands. I only see Hardy being competitive if GSP tries to stand and trade with him. GSP tried that with Serra once and it didn't quite work out for him. I expect GSP will simply take him down with his almost unstoppable takedowns and ground and pound his way to a victory.
Hardy is pretty strong, and might be able to avoid one or two takedowns, but he's not technically sound on his back imo. At least compared to GSP.
Hardy is a bull, but the bull is going to meet the matador. GSP should take this easily unless Hardy lands a bomb upside his head.
I don't see that happening. You referenced Serra/GSP, I'm thinking Serra/GSP II. George came into that fight and took Serra apart, just totally decimated him. GSP has come a long way since then and I don't think he'll fall victim to Hardy's strikes.
Actually, I'm more interested in the co-main event, Mir/Carwin because of the implications it holds for the HW division title picture. Really hoping Carwin pounds Mir into oblivion just so I can watch Frank cry at the end.
Again its technical vs brawler. Carwin has ridiculous strength, but Mir has the better boxing. Mir shouldnt offer his chin for Carwin to test out though, because he CAN knock Mir out.
I think Mir wins. Though his obsession with Lesnar is somewhat disturbing. Not sure if he's hamming it up for a UFC merchandising bonus or what, but c'mon man its not like the guy beat you a half dozen times in your career. If you meet again its a rubber match. Not a chance to redeem yourself after multiple losses to one guy.
SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edit: Just read the results. Carwin owns mir. Little surprised by that one, thought there would at least be some exchanges.
That fight was awesome ;D Not just because Carwin almost cracked Mir's skull, but because I'm certain went home, cried, and will very likely soon have, a nervous breakdown. Seriously, what was all that BS in the Countdown show about the fight being important to his sanity? If his sanity is a problem, he should probably take a break from fighting.
Major respect goes to Hardy though for not tapping on 3 separate occasions. I'm quite shocked his arm didn't break in that last kimura, but I am just a tad disappointed GSP didn't finish the fight. But damn, that was the epitome of domination! What wrestling...
I was rooting for Hardy.
I recognize wrestling's effectiveness, but I'm more a fan of strikers.
The Hardy/GSP fight should be what happens in the Lesnar/Carwin fight. Surely with five fights under his belt, Lesnar won't try to trade with Carwin.
It'll be a ground war, that's for sure in which case, Lesnar will have the upper hand. He has better wrestling credentials; no one can argue otherwise.
As for GSP/Hardy; Hardy is one tough mofo. I'm really shocked his arm didn't snap at all.
Watching the current season of TUF, I was wondering if someone could explain to me what all the fuss about Tito is. Everyone hates this guy; why is this?
No doubt he's one of the top coaches on tuf. Period.
He's also an arrogant ass mofo that talks endless amount of shit pre fight, and then lays down lame ass excuses after a loss.
Typical example: Tell Forrest for the first time in years my back is 100% for our rematch.
After fight: Lots of you guys didn't know, but my back was really f**ked up before the fight.
Personally I hope everybody he steps into the ring with breaks his face.
He'll never be a contender again though. The new generation can hold their own on the ground and have far superior hands.
His trash talking doesn't bug me considering other fighters have done worse (see: Frank Mir lately). I have noticed he makes excuses though, but he can fight. Not like he can't back up what he says.
Yeah, he wasn't the longest raining 205 champion for no reason. I just think he waited to long to come back.
The back thing is half the story. The other half was he was in a pissing contest with White to release him so he could fight elsewhere and lost it and didn't want to admit he'd been bested.
Tito talks shit like no other. Mir can be bad. But Tito when he was younger took that shit to a whole nother level.
Speaking of Tito, he's been arrested for allegedly beating Jenna Jameson, his g/f. Guess that explains why TUF 11 took a turn.
Maybe he was trying to show her what GSP did wrong in his last fight...
Anyone counting the days til we get to see Machida vs Shogun 2,
man, I can't wait!
Let's hope Rua takes him to him again. No reason why he shouldn't finish this fight.
I don't really have a problem with either fighter in that regard. So I'm not particularly choosey on the subject. It will be a different fight though. Machida knows he can't just be a counter puncher in this fight or he will lose a decision. Thats the only reason they are having this rematch. So Machida knows he'll have to be more aggressive, and Shogun knows that Machida knows that. Could be a reversal of strategies, or a slugfest.
Hoping for the slugfest.
I hope Kimbo knocks out Mitrione. Despite Kimbo's physique, Mitrione is the stronger fighter, but I thought during heavyweights that Kimbo actually had the second best set of hands outside of Nelson's. If Mitrione doesn't use the nfl bulk he acquired over the years with all their powerlifting, and tries to trade with Kimbo, I think Kimbo wins.
Mitrione will win because I believe he is more determined and more skilled. Kimbo in my eyes is still a backyard brawler. Let's face it, Kimdo didn't do much when he fought Nelson and his fight with Alexander was less than thrilling. Mitrione may have gassed early on when he fought Junk but at least he showed more variety in his abilities. Both of them have KO power though, so a stand up exchange would certainly be a war.
Kimbo has no chance if the fight goes to the ground. But he was actually getting the best of Nelson when Nelson tried to trade with him.
Alexander knew that Kimbo was stronger, bigger and had more reach. So his strategy was to pick his shots when they were available. Kimbo IS still a backyard brawler because he didn't even understand ring control, one of the first things they teach you in boxing. But when he closes in on people he can throw a straight enough punch to do massive damage.
Ya, that's where his best chance lies is in the stand up. Mitrione may be "meathead" but I seriously doubt his strategy would be to stand up with Kimbo. I have Mitrione on FB, I'll ask him what the gameplan is lol
Though I give credit to Kimbo for training with ATT. It shows he's taking the sport seriously and he does want to learn.
He came in too old. Had he come in at 25 his career might've taken a decent turn.
Come on then fight fans, post up your favourite knockout vids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiZ8ZVUUvAo
I'm surprised you didn't post this one, Vulhala. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzP91Rn0wSE
That was a low blow Chief >:(
haha...aw, c'mon man, you know it's just locker-room humor. ;)
How could I stay mad at ya :D
Hell of a punch though. The second one was a bit over the top, seeing as he was already blatantly out cold. I've never been knocked out like that, and I'm in no rush to. Must feel awful when you regain conciousness!
Chief, that was cruel :D
As for my favourite, you had to see this one coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BQpVtuy8Eo
Quote from: Vulhala on May 14, 2010, 01:06:35 PM
Come on then fight fans, post up your favourite knockout vids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiZ8ZVUUvAo
Poetic irony, you gotta love it! Definitely one of my favourties.
Mir got his shit pushed right in there! So much blood on the mat :o
And the funny thing is, he still hasn't learned to keep his f**king mouth shut. Hopefully, hopefully, Carwin knocked some sense into him.
When's the next event mate?
May 29, Rampage vs. Evans UFC 114. Can't wait to see Rashad KTFO Rampage.
I'll have to find out where it's being shown over here. We usually have to wait a while before we get it >:(
This fight is an interesting one. They're both mirror images of one another. Rampage is taller and stronger, whereas Rashad is quicker. I think as long as Rashad relies on his wrestling and can safely GnP, he'll win.
They're both one-hitter-quitters! This is not going to be decided by the judges.
Rampage is by far the stronger guy and has WAY better standup. He has had a long standoff though, and the last time that happened he lost to Forrest Griffin.
Rashad doesn't need to trade with Quinton at all. If he does its Quinton's victory. He needs to use his superior wrestling.
I'll be rooting for Rampage though.
Here's a good link that I think sums up why Rashad will win. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/391592-5-reasons-why-rashad-evans-will-beat-quinton-rampage-jackson?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=fbc_comment)
I really think the point about emotion is important because Rampage is so damn focused on KO'ing Evans that he won't really be thinking too clearly.
Everybody knows Rampage wants to KO every opponent. Its up to Rashaad to not fall into trading with Rampage.
Rashaad CAN win. Just not on his feet. His standing has improved greatly, but as is the case with every fight. Give me the guy thats been a striker his whole career over a wrestler/grappler/jiu-jitsu guy who just added it to his arsenal in a striking match.
Rampage is also pretty hard headed. I don't remember anybody but Sylvia knocking him out, and that was with repeated knees. I just think standing and trading with Rampage is a bad idea. Evans would need to be like Forrest and throw a ton of leg kicks to keep from getting killed up close.
Sylvia? As in Tim Sylvia?
You sure you don't mean Silva, because Wandy KO'ed him twice.
He means Silva.
Quote from: Kimarhi on May 15, 2010, 08:52:51 PM
Rampage is also pretty hard headed. I don't remember anybody but Sylvia knocking him out, and that was with repeated knees. I just think standing and trading with Rampage is a bad idea. Evans would need to be like Forrest and throw a ton of leg kicks to keep from getting killed up close.
Yeah, you're right. That's also how Shogun beat him too. He used everything against Rampage. Evans should follow that same plan of attack.
I meant Wanderlai.
I'll call Anderson Silva, sylvia as well.
Don't know why.
I've seen all the Wanderlai and Rampage fights, but have never seen the Shogun/Jackson fight, even today. Did Shogun put him out or just win the fight?
Put him out! Rampage was exhausted. Shogun nearly kicked him out of the ring...before it was stopped. You should take a look at on youtube and let me know what you think.
It'll be an interesting fight because Evans and Jackson are both wrestlers. I imagine Rashad has the better pedigree of the two, but then again, Rampage more or less out-wrestled Henderson.
Yeah but I never liked Hendo at 205. Plus he did stay in there with Jackson until a decision. I think Evans is the better wrestler of the two by a moderate margin. Jackson usually only uses it defensively to stop takedowns.
Think the extra weight affected Hendo's ability?
I think if you try to go up from your natural weight class you typically bulk up with fat instead of progressing to that weight over time with muscle.
Even if Hendo was cutting to 185 from 200, he's not really going up just five lbs to 205, because his natural strength base is at a cut down 185. He only walks around at 200 with 15 lbs of waterweight/sheddable fat stores.
It works in reverse too. If Rampage walks around a 230, and had to cut down to 185, he'd probably lose not just a ton of waterweight/shedabble fat, but muscle as well, leaving him fatigued for that fight.
Its why Anderson Silva's domination of Irvin and Griffin at 205 was impressive. He might've been a little bit stronger than normal, but I guarentee if you measured his body mass his fat percentage would be way higher than it was as a middleweight. He essentially knocked out two lhw with a mw strength.
If Rampage has to cut weight, it certainly hasn't affected him in the past. You know, looking at his record now, he has a lot of KOs, but really, who are these people? He knocked out Liddell and Silva who were both past their prime, but he couldn't finish Jardine with that left hook that took out Silva. It seems like all he's known for is his slamming power, and even then, the only fight that's ever referenced in that regard is his right against Ricardo Arona in 2004.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 17, 2010, 12:53:01 AM
It seems like all he's known for is his slamming power, and even then, the only fight that's ever referenced in that regard is his right against Ricardo Arona in 2004.
Not to butt in but also if you go back and watch the replay on the deciding slam in that fight, it appears that rampage headbutts him once they follow through to the mat. It obviously wasn't intentional but it still appears to be what happened.
I say its a 50-50 fight if both fighters come fully prepared which is all really a question on Rampage seeing as Rashad will no doubt give 110%. If they bring everything to the ring: If its a stand up fight...I'm going for Rampage. If its going to be a wrestling/takedown match...Rashad all the way. IMHO
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 17, 2010, 12:53:01 AM
If Rampage has to cut weight, it certainly hasn't affected him in the past. You know, looking at his record now, he has a lot of KOs, but really, who are these people? He knocked out Liddell and Silva who were both past their prime, but he couldn't finish Jardine with that left hook that took out Silva. It seems like all he's known for is his slamming power, and even then, the only fight that's ever referenced in that regard is his right against Ricardo Arona in 2004.
If he had to cut all the way down to 185, it would effect him. You could knock out five lbs of waterweight by running on a treadmill for two hours on your sun room. Eventually though, your going to get to the point where it isn't water and fat thats burning in your system, but muscle as well.
On the flip side, its a whole lot easier to bulk up and make weight with fat than with muscle.
A guy thats a middleweight his whole career that takes fights at lhw isn't gong to be as strong as the lhw. Hence Hendo, despite being an olympic wrestler, wasn't the same strength level as guys that just stay in the 205 lb range.
RASHAD WON, W0000000000000T
I'm glad he won! A little scare at the end though.
For real, that fight reminded me sooooooo much of UFC 108. First two rounds were all Rashad until he was pounded on in the third. Credit to Suga, wow. A lesser man would have been crushed underneath that onslaught and credit to Herb Dean for not stopping it either. Granted, I would have like to see Rashad KO Rampage, which almost happened twice, once in the first and towards the end of the third, but at least he won.
And I have some respect for Jackson now since he didn't get in Evans' face. He kept calm, was humbled, and walked away. Though I doubt the trash talking is over.
Quote from: Master Chief on May 30, 2010, 05:39:09 AM
I'm glad he won! A little scare at the end though.
Out of all people you were on Evans side?! Man I was screaming and praying for Rampage to put the hurt on that guy, I can't stand Evans.
It was the way he acted/coached on TUF that changed my tune.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFRoyMPf2Bs
Well it's over now, but you gotta admit they both gave us the greatest face off in history bahaha!
Their fight, I think, shows that Rampage was a bitch. Aside from the quick explosion in round three, he didn't have much for Rashad. He couldn't keep away from the fence and his speed sure as shit couldn't keep up with Evans'. So much for having "eerthin'g for yo ass".
"U came in my motha f--kin face" LOL. The both of them are too funny in this clip.
I don't understand what got him so steamed there.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2010, 10:13:42 PM
Their fight, I think, shows that Rampage was a bitch. Aside from the quick explosion in round three, he didn't have much for Rashad. He couldn't keep away from the fence and his speed sure as shit couldn't keep up with Evans'. So much for having "eerthin'g for yo ass".
Rashaad looked good. No doubt he was quicker on his feet, was the better wrestler, and landed shots early.
I just don't think this fight is indicative of what the fight would've been like had it taken place in Memphis when it was suppossed too.
But that is still Rampages fault. You don't leave a top tier level league and expect to jump back in it against top level competition and do well.
I think Rampages nature might make Dana cancel a rematch. Dana KNOWS the fight would've been more explosive had it happened when both fighters were coming off matches in the UFC. He also knows Rampage is a flight risk to do movies now that they pay as much for him as the UFC fights do.
Not a good night for either my boy Diego or Quinton.
I doubt he'll cancel a rematch. All the Rampage nuthuggers want one it seems and Dana knows it will make money. Though it probably won't happen until after Rashad vs. Shogun, which will happen after Saturday's fight. Quinton won't be going back for movies now if he has any sense, which is debatable, granted. He just signed a new contract for 6 fights which, I think didn't include his fight with Rashad.
Ha, Diego, what a joke. He was so outclassed in his fight it wasn't funny.
Diego can look really good or really bad. I'm wondering if he isn't a matchup fighter. Certain guys he matches up with. Other guys he doesn't. He looked great in most of his matches up to Penn. But has looked like a tier 2 fighter since his destruction by Penn.
A rematch would require Quinton to beat somebody like Lyoto first, and after Rashaad/Shogun matchup. It'd be a better fight for sure.
I also pull for Sebdollah, and that guy was also outclassed. Just not a good night for the guys I normally pull for.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/402585-did-the-ufc-make-a-mistake-by-releasing-kimbo-slice
Kimbo should never have become an MMA fighter, enough said. He really thought he could compete with the big boys in the UFC? Credit to him for dreaming, but the truth hurts.
He would've been fine had he come in ten years earlier. Thats the difference between him and other old guys like Liddell and Couture. They have been doing it for more than four or five years. More like fifteen. With a traditional martial art practiced even longer before that. In Chuck's case he learned Kenpo karate. In Coutures he was an Army boxer.
And they had cartilage in their knees. He's just old.
Liddell is dead and done, yo. I can't believe he's headlining UFC 115. At least Franklin has some steam left in him. He could serve as a gatekeeper, but then again, given how dominant he was in the MW division until Silva arrived, it would really bring down his image.
Here are some good articles I read earlier discussing these issues. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/403452-ufc-114-how-far-has-chuck-liddell-declined?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=share)
This is one is good as well. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/403549-defeated-why-dana-white-will-be-declared-the-loser-at-ufc-115?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=fbc_poll)
Its the same in every sport. As an avid football/basketball fan, I've seen guys hang around WAY past their prime.
On the plus side for them though, they are in a sport where you don't get knocked out. Or in football's case often.
They really need to learn when it's time to hang em up though. Liddell is not the KO artist he once was. He's slowed down, he's fatter than he used to be, and hasn't evolved with the sport. I really don't want to see him become the next Mark Coleman; a broken down, rejected fighter that fights only for a measly paycheck.
The trouble is that Liddell refuses to acknowledge it. He's really convinced himself that he can still compete with the current breed of LHWs. I'll just say this: if he thinks he can avange both of his losses to Rampage, he's really gone off the deep end.
Speaking of old fighters, I'm looking forward to seeing Cro Cop fight this Saturday. He says his legs have completely healed up and he sounds like he's in great spirits so his fight with Pat Barry should be epic.
I wonder when age is finally going to catchup with Couture. He's like the Brett Favre of MMA.
Liddell can probably still beat Franklin though. Franklin doesn't fair well against power strikers. He is much more technical than Liddell is though. Contrast of styles. If Liddell wins he'll be in the UFC for another three years.
If Liddell thinks he can fight for another 3 years, someone had better call the men in white coats. You really think he could hang with the top guys in the division, especially after they beat him so easily?
It will be an interesting fight though. Whenever I think of it, I think of Hendo vs. Bisping, with Liddell and Franklin taking their respective places.
I think he should hang it up. But his fight against Franklin will be like his fight against Wanderlai. If he wins, he'll think he can and should stick around.
His chin has turned into glass, and he's developing slow eyes. His reaction time as of late has been horrid.
I give the edge to Franklin because he's younger and surely has the faster reflexes. He may not be Rashad Evans, but if Liddell couldn't keep up with Suga, I doubt he can match Franklin's pace.
July 3 is a night of nights! Lesnar will be back in full form and crushing Carwin soundly.
The real ;), heavyweight champion fights tonight. Fedor vs. Fabricio Werdum.
Sure...I'd be a champion too if I was fighting sub-par guys who can't make the top 10.
Haha...what blog did you steal that from?
Fedor got choked out tonight
NO WAY!!! FEDOR LOST?!?!?!!!
Yep. Arm bar to triangle choke caught him. He was winning the standup war but as soon as he knocked Werdum to the ground and followed him it was over.
On a sidenote Cris Cyborg absolutely brutalized her opponent. The fight should've been stopped MINUTES into the match. But the ref allowed it to go into the second round. Most punishment I've seen a fighter take in a fight in a LONG time. Wouldn't be surprised if the woman's ribs are broken.
Fedor lost...wow. So much for all the "Fedor is invincible BS", hopefully those stupid nuthuggers will shut up now. Credit to Werdum man, but you have to think about what this will do to Strikeforce and equally as important, M-1 Global. The management team will be worthless now with their biggest investment suffering a loss and Strikeforce will lose whatever promotional power it had because their biggest star just lost. And the UFC stock will rise because JDS beat Werdum a while back, and Werdum just finished Fedor.
I don't think its that big a deal.
Yeah he lost. After ten years.
The same thing is eventually going to happen to Anderson Silva, and I think it could also happen to your boy next weekend if he decides to trade with Carwin. Nobody stays on top forever anymore because nobody is smart enough to get out while they are still in their prime like they did back in the day. Werdum, Overeem, and Fedor will still all be ranked pretty highly in the heavyweights. With Rogers and Bigfoot climbing up the ranks with each win.
It's different with Fedor. No one expects him to lose. Like, literally, no one expects it. So for him to lose is almost heralding the end of the world. And this will be a huge blow to M1 Global because up until now they were able to avoid this situation because they were always picking fights for Fedor with opponents that did not pose a threat to him stylistically.
Only with Rogers. More than a few people thought Werdum had a chance. He's already beaten Overeem. Aside from that, Werdum has already guarenteed a rematch with Fedor. If Fedor wins, he rights all wrongs.
Fedor was OWNING the fight in standup, Werdum didn't land a single strike. Fedor just made the mistake of following him to the ground.
Made a mistake or not, Fedor still lost. He has hurt SF's credibility and even if he wins the rematch, people won't forget the loss. Lesnar has the same problem with Mir.
Lesnar destroyed Mir in the rematch. Mir got about three landed strikes the whole match and that was it. I think Lesnar went along ways in establishing his legitmacy with that fight.
Likewise, if the rematch does happen, and Fedor dominates, he can erase an flukish loss. Lesnar was dominating the first match against Mir too. Mir just caught him. Kind of like this last fight with Fedor and Werdum.
If Fedor wins the rematch, people are just going to say the original matchup was a fluke.
Kind of like Shogun vs Machida, or I suspect, Penn vs Edgar.
Except that Lesnar was totally green, so for him to win the rematch in such a dominating fashion was a huge step forward for his career. Losing the first time didn't shock too many people because he was green, like I said.
With Fedor however, people didn't expect the loss because overconfidence or not, he should know how to defend against such a submission with all of his years of experience and skill behind him. I attribute his loss to becoming sloppy and not overconfidence. There's a reason why Nog couldn't submit Fedor 3out of the 3 times they fought.
I wouldn't call this fight a fluke. Fedor went to finish him off and Werdum captilaized on his mistake. Simple as that.
What do you think, Doom, does Lesnar have a chance this weekend?
Of course I do lol. Not just because he's slightly bigger than Carwin, but because this fight will inevitably become a wrestling match and if you look at their amateur backgrounds, Lesnar does have the better credentials. The Carwin nuthuggers will tell you it doesn't make a difference, but like I said: nuthuggers. Plus, Lesnar has been training with Randy Couture in preparation for this fight and if there's one thing Carwin likes to do, it's Greco-Roman as he demonstrated with Mir. Randy is G/R master so I believe Lesnar will have the advantage there. I also believe that Lesnar will only stand up with Carwin long enough for him to take the fight to the mat because he knows Carwin has serious punching power.
What about you Chief?
The wrestling will be more difficult for Lesnar this go around, but Lesnar is still noticeably bigger than Carwin.
If Lesnar can take it to the ground I think he wins.
Carwin only wins if he can keep it on his feet.
I've got Lesnar winning, but I HOPE Carwin knocks his block off.
The Carwin hero worship is all over the web. A lot of sites have Carwin winning by at least a 50-60% margin which is pretty remarkable considering I think most people are only voting for Carwin because they can't stand Lesnar. Even UFC.com has Carwin winning by a slight margin. It's amazing, everyone seems to think Carwin will win because of that one-punch KO power. News flash folks: every fighter who focuses on that "one punch" ends up getting his ass kicked. Ask Paul Daley and Dan Hardy.
I'm thinking the same way Kimarhi is. Not sure who I'm going for yet. Just want these two brutes to entertain me.
And why do you call Carwin fans nuthuggers? You swing on Brocks balls as if you were Tarzan! :D Just teasin'.
Because with Carwin's win over Mir, everyone is creaming their pants for him, as if this fight is David and Goliath. You figure out who represents who.
From the poll results you've posted, it's not that that hard to figure out who's David in this one.
Has Brock been working on his stand up? I'd like to see him stand with Carwin. Though it would be cool to see him handle him on the ground too.
Yeah, he's been working on his boxing with the same guy who trains KenFlo. Pretty good if you ask me. Though I think while Carwin punches harder, Lesnar punches faster. Remember that right hand that dropped Heath Herring? >_<
Lesnar shouldn't trade with Carwin at all.
Why not? He hits almost as hard, but definitely faster and has the same reach length.
He's only knocked out an old man. Carwin has knocked out 7 guys. I don't think there's any doubt if Lesnar and Carwin brawl its going to favor Carwin. EVEN THOUGH Carwin is not a boxer. He's just a more experienced brawler.
If Carwin ever matches up with a technical striker in the heavyweight division he could be in trouble. He never utilizes head movement, never circles away from his opponents power hand, keeps his hands up etc. He's fine offensively. He's got mucho work to do defensively.
Lesnar would have to improve his standup game tremendously to want to trade with Carwin especially with the Rampage Jacksonesque layoff.
I hear you. It'll be interesting to see how Peter Welch has re-tooled his striking. Hopefully Couture has taught him some dirty boxing as well.
The dirty boxing could be huge for Lesnar because you know Carwin will clinch if they stand. Couture is one of the best at dirty boxing though, so if your going to learn from a guy, he's one of the best.
Odd though that Lesnar's tko victim is helping him now.
Not really. Lesnar has a ton of self-admitted respect for Couture. They're even close friends. This is quite ironic when the common perception of Lesnar is that he hates everyone.
I do remember Lesnar giving Couture advice from ringside in one of his fights. Can't remember who it was against though.
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Just watched the fight and I was impressed. Carwin looked great... In the first round. As soon as Brock stood up though I knew Carwin was screwed.
Carwin over committed in the first round. You could see he was GASSED OUT. He was damn tired, and brock took advantage of that and sinked in an arm triangle. Props to carwin though. He will be back on top. Akiyama's fight was a dissappointment.
This fight scared the hell out of me in that first round. Honestly, there is no. f**kING. WAY. that even the haters can't give Brock credit for surviving that 1st round. A lesser man would have crumbled beneath that onslaught. Brock has one hell of a chin.
I didn't think Carwin would make it out of the 2nd round though because he was sweating like a pig in-between rounds. Carwin was so fatigued. Then again so was Brock but hey, he was on the winning side in that second round, hence probably why he was able to get that takedown so easily. I will admit the shoot for it was sluggish, especially for Lesnar who is known for exploding into them but I guess it wouldn't have been hard to take Carwin down since Shane was so tired. And that triangle choke, man...who in a million years would have thought Brock would by submission, of all things? It was pretty freaky seeing his arm wrapped around Shane's neck. It looked like a tree log :P
Congratulations indeed, Brock Lesnar. I will always be a fan of yours and look forward to seeing you fight once again.
Carwin was really the only one I see giving Lesnar trouble. He has the necessary bulk and strength to negate SOME (not all) of Lesnar's wrestling as evidenced in the first round when he was taken down and popped back up, and then stuffing the second takedown attempt of the first, and the only one with heavy enough hands to stop Lesnar from wanting to push foward.
Lesnar is still clearly the better wrestler, and winning by submission wasn't a surprise to me. Still though, you have to like the future of both men.
Lesnar has nobody with the necessary bulk to challenge him outside of Carwin. Valasquez can give him trouble like Shane did ONLY IF Lesnar tries to trade with him.
Dos Santos could give Lesnar trouble if the same way Mir did the first round. Be outwrestled and catch Lesnar with something.
I just can't think of anybody off hand capable of giving either man a run for their money. And I expect Shane Carwin vs Brock will be a continued matchup in the future.
If Lesnar wins with class the way he did against Carwin, without all the shit talking, I don't have a problem with it.
And Lesnar DOES have a hell of a chin. Those shots were knocking out other guys.
Carwin needs to prep for longer fights though.
I like Leben and thought that was a helluva fight. Both guys were rocked and still kept on, I like Rogan's, "Leben's a ZOMBIE!" comment after he kept pushing foward after taking about five on the chin. Then whipping in the triangle, pretty good stuff. It'd be interesting if Leben could get past Wanderlai and we get a rematch with Anderson and actually have a striker vs striker matchup instead of a striker vs wrestler/jujitsu matchup where Anderson destroys his guys with contempt.
Also proud of the American Psycho. Not that great of a fighter, but you got to root for him because he leaves it in the cage and is always in entertaining fights.
I've have always been a fan of brock lesnar because i use to watch WWE.
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Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 04, 2010, 10:14:49 PM
Carwin was really the only one I see giving Lesnar trouble. He has the necessary bulk and strength to negate SOME (not all) of Lesnar's wrestling as evidenced in the first round when he was taken down and popped back up, and then stuffing the second takedown attempt of the first, and the only one with heavy enough hands to stop Lesnar from wanting to push foward.
He punched himself out though. He needs to learn to be more patient coz it obviously cost him in that 2nd round.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 04, 2010, 10:14:49 PMLesnar is still clearly the better wrestler, and winning by submission wasn't a surprise to me. Still though, you have to like the future of both men.
It surprised the hell out of me, actually. Lesnar has said he doesn't get a thrill from submissions and prefers to punch his opponent in the head lol. As for their futures, no doubt. There's nowhere left for Lesnar to go but up and Carwin is right behind him.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 04, 2010, 10:14:49 PMLesnar has nobody with the necessary bulk to challenge him outside of Carwin. Valasquez can give him trouble like Shane did ONLY IF Lesnar tries to trade with him.
I disagree even there. Lesnar for sure has better wrestling credentials because Cain didn't make it to the NCAAs, and even in the stand up...Cain is much more technical than Carwin, but he lacks the raw strength Carwin possesses so really, it's trade of one for the other. If Carwin couldn't KO Lesnar, guaranteed Cain won't.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 04, 2010, 10:14:49 PMDos Santos could give Lesnar trouble if the same way Mir did the first round. Be outwrestled and catch Lesnar with something.
Nah, that won't happen. Lesnar hits very hard and he's learned to use his range very well, so I don't see Dos Santos getting his way there. Plus on the ground, Lesnar will make mince meat of him.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 04, 2010, 10:14:49 PMI like Leben and thought that was a helluva fight. Both guys were rocked and still kept on, I like Rogan's, "Leben's a ZOMBIE!" comment after he kept pushing foward after taking about five on the chin. Then whipping in the triangle, pretty good stuff. It'd be interesting if Leben could get past Wanderlai and we get a rematch with Anderson and actually have a striker vs striker matchup instead of a striker vs wrestler/jujitsu matchup where Anderson destroys his guys with contempt.
It was most impressive for me because he took the fight on two weeks notice. And against a fighter like Akiyama, that's really something. Finally, a ginger we can be proud of XD
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 04, 2010, 10:14:49 PMAlso proud of the American Psycho. Not that great of a fighter, but you got to root for him because he leaves it in the cage and is always in entertaining fights.
Hell yes. I love Stephan Bonnar, and that was a crazy fight. Loved the psycho pose at the end!
I still wouldn't let Valesquez hit me in the face if I was Brock. He might not be anywhere close to Shane or Brock in strength, but you can believe he'll be better conditioned than Shane, and land many more shots than Carwin's brawling style. Still though, all Lesnar has to do is land on him, and its over.
Dos Santos is the only other guy I can see challenging for the title in a while. Mir has to win a match or two to be back in the hunt. As does Cheick Congo.
Mir can't compete with these new heavies. With the top guys in the division having ground games that rival his own with their wrestling, combined them being being either a) more technical strikers or b) heavier hitting strikers, he can't compete.
As for Kongo...yeah, call me when he beats a top 10 ranked heavy. Then we'll talk about him being in the title mix.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 04, 2010, 06:06:51 PM
Congratulations indeed, Brock Lesnar. I will always be a fan of yours and look forward to seeing you fight once again.
There's so much I wanna say right now....
but I think it's best I don't say anything :P
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 07, 2010, 04:06:37 AM
Mir can't compete with these new heavies. With the top guys in the division having ground games that rival his own with their wrestling, combined them being being either a) more technical strikers or b) heavier hitting strikers, he can't compete.
As for Kongo...yeah, call me when he beats a top 10 ranked heavy. Then we'll talk about him being in the title mix.
He'll get his oppurtunities. A win against Mir and he would've gotten Shane. He's probably third closest right now behind Velasquez, Dos Santos, Mir and Congo. Even though I see the next matchup for Brock after Velasquez is going to be the matchup between Dos Santos and ROY f**kING NELSON.
You got to be scared of Roy the Destroyer.
Kongo could have beaten Mir for sure, but he made a big mistake in that fight. He shouldn't have scrambled to hist feet and left his neck way out in the open for Mir to get a hold of. IMO he should have simply kicked him away and then get back up...though it's doubtful Mir would have let him.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 07, 2010, 11:14:11 PM
He'll get his oppurtunities. A win against Mir and he would've gotten Shane. He's probably third closest right now behind Velasquez, Dos Santos, Mir and Congo.
I'm confused, you were referring to Kongo right?
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 07, 2010, 11:14:11 PMYou got to be scared of Roy the Destroyer.
I'm scared of his belly.
I just added Kongo for no apparant reason to the end of that sentence.
Roy is a pretty adept face puncher. That and fighting undersized guys where he can lay on them are the only two things he's go going for him.
He'll put on a good show against Dos Santos, but I got Dos Santos as being the next challenger after Valasquez.
Roy's ground game is ace. What we saw on TUF wasn't his best. He beat Frank Mir in a grappling contest back in 2003, if you can believe it. In fact, see for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dj5xMeXybs
He could very easily KO JDS, though I'd like to see the fight go to the ground so that we can see how good JDS's ground game is.
I'd heard he beat frank before. He's underrated fighter. But laying on Lesnar isn't going to be like laying on Kimbo Slice.
He does have some ko power in his hands.
Oh definitely. He knocked Schaub down like a tree during their fight at the finale. But KO'ing Lesnar is almost impossible. Like I said, if Carwin couldn't do it, I doubt Nelson would. Plus, Nelson has a suspect chin as far as we know because Kimbo did make him reel quite a bit in their bout on the show.
Anyone can be knocked out at any time, even with a chin like Lesnars. There's a certain amount of luck involved. It only takes one punch.
One lucky punch can chage everything.
Quote from: Vulhala on Jul 09, 2010, 08:28:05 AM
Anyone can be knocked out at any time, even with a chin like Lesnars. There's a certain amount of luck involved. It only takes one punch.
Lesnar proved he has a chin made of steel. It'll take more than one punch to knock him out. And it's got nothing to do with luck, believe me.
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What did you guys think of the fights tonight: UFC on Versus 2: August 1
Bones vs the Janitor and the rest of the fight results
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Gah, haven't seen it yet! Gonna download it today.
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So who's watching tonight? Penn vs Edgar 2, and Couture vs Toney some boxer guy. I'm a big Couture fan and I hope he wins. I probably won't get to watch the fight though. Anyone else?
Couture didn't even give Toney a chance to use his boxing. Complete domination.
Good to know, now I just gotta wait a couple of more hours and visit MMAlinker 8)
Penn is a bitch, I am really glad Edgar is keeping the belt.
Edgar has what it takes and I am happy for him, but why couldn't he finish the fight? Pfft. As for Couture/Toney...yeah, no real surprise there. MMA FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BJ Penn on his worst day is hard to finish.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 29, 2010, 04:06:39 AM
Couture didn't even give Toney a chance to use his boxing. Complete domination.
Dang. I was hoping he would at least try to trade blows with Toney. How'd he finish him?
Arm triangle in the 1st.
Quote from: Master Chief on Aug 30, 2010, 03:21:05 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 29, 2010, 04:06:39 AM
Couture didn't even give Toney a chance to use his boxing. Complete domination.
Dang. I was hoping he would at least try to trade blows with Toney. How'd he finish him?
Couture played it smart. The one advantage Toney has is with his hands, so why even go there?
The entire world knew what was going to happen once it went to the ground. At least make it exciting...that's all I'm gettin' at.
Couture would've probably got knocked out had he stood up. Toney isn't as ancient as Couture and still has pretty fast hands. Your also talking about him being a master in a craft where hands are the ONLY weapon and he's perfected it. Couture might've wanted to see what he could've done, but it also could've ended with him laying facedown on the mat.
If Couture stepped into a boxing ring with Toney, Toney would kill him. Its the same difference as a boxer coming to mma. One fighter has perfected a different set of skills the other fighter doesn't have.
Couture probably could've done a little better in boxing than Toney could at wrestling because Coutre boxed in the Army, but I still expect Toney would've murdered him in a standup fight with only his hands. Couture could've kicked the stuffing out of his legs before he took him down, but I agree with Couture's strategy. Just leave the trading of the hands with a championship boxer out of it.
Agreed. I was glad to see Couture not go toe-to-toe with Toney. The last thing I wanted to see was another Penn/Sherk fight. That pissed me off to no end that he was so arrogant he thought he could beat Penn at his own 'game'. I'm not a huge fan of either but that was just the dumbest thing you could have done, especially if you keep doing it when it doesn't work...anyways glad Randy pulled it off and that he took it to the ground right away.
Liked BOTH Penn/Edgar fights, and I don't know what's up with Penn but he just didn't seem himself in either one...he came out really focused but after the fight started he looked...lost.
Penn is up when he's up, and down when he's down. Eventually age starts to become a factor for some of this guys as well.
Age is always the first excuse people run to. I find it hard to believe that Penn lost all of those years of perfecting his balance while being able to give guys like Hughes or GSP problems with takedowns. This isn't like Fedor, who just made a blatant mistake when fighting Werdum.
Not everybody is going to be like Couture. Your athletic prime starts in your late twenties and typically peaks by 35. Anybody that performs consistantly at a high level after that is on steroids or is a genetic freak ala Herschal Walker, Randy Couture, etc. And those guys are VERY VERY few and far between.
Age kills more athletic careers than injuries/confidence/situational problems ever could combined. Its not an excuse. Its just the way it is. If in nine months completely healthy people can almost die from strange illnessess (see Brock Lesnar), why can't a condition everybody suffers from do just about the same thing?
Couture is neither a genetic freak or on steroids. The man is a former Olympian with easily over a thousand wrestling matches underneath his belt. His life-long dedication to competition is what keeps him ticking.
Penn has always been a primo athlete. He didn't suffer from a fatal like Lesnar. With Lesnar it was a different story and not that unlikely because his sickness isn't all that surprising when you consider the man eats the meat he hunts and kills himself, ergo it's not very clean. Penn doesn't do stuff like that. He's always been on top of his game. You don't come into this sport with all the technique and athletic ability in the world and just have an off night.
Couture is a genetic freak. He's one of a very few percent that can keep his body in the shape its in at 47. There are plenty of people on the planet that have had just as much heart and will to try to do the same thing and have failed because they don't have the genetics to do so.
And BJ Penn has had plenty of off nights despite having natural abilities like his freakish flexibility to work in his advantage. Some of that has to do with his conditioning, he frequently had trouble in 5 round matches, and other has to do with confidence and the fact that he's no longer a young man.
Trust me. Despite what you think, by the time your thirty five your not going to be able to keep yourself in the same shape as you did when you were 25.
Sure it's possible to be more cut, to even be stronger, but your body ITSELF will lose some of its burst, and some of its speed as you get older. Nobody at 35 improves their 40 yard dash. Hand eye coordination doesn't improve. Reaction time slows (as evidenced by Liddell continually getting ktfo) Even the ability to retain knowledge concerning your field gets worse.
Very, very few people are the exception to this rule. Couture is one. Herschal Walker who at fifty had one of the healthiest hearts ever tested on record is another, Brett Favre, etc.
There's a reason the Rangers, Marine Recon, Pararescue, Navy Seals, Green Beret's etc have age limit cutoffs. Because older people aren't physically capable of doing what they need done.
Penn's athletic abilities do owe some credit to his genetics though. The man may not be an Olympian but from what I understand he has good genes.
Anyway, his time may simply be up. Let's see if Edgar has what it takes to stay on top.
UFC 119 f**king sucked. What a boring night. Anyone else catch it?
Naw, didn't catch it. Probably won't buy another until Lesnar vs Velasquez and then Silva vs Belfort.
Yeah I didn't catch it either, watched college ball all day and continued to watch it while at a friend's bday party.
Yeah, I watched my team get f**king HANDLED by the Gators.
I really hate the Gators. With a passion.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 26, 2010, 06:49:01 AM
Naw, didn't catch it. Probably won't buy another until Lesnar vs Velasquez and then Silva vs Belfort.
You didn't miss much. The entire card was a schnooze fest, nevermind the main event. Mir KO'ed CC, but only after 2.5 rounds of literally throwing 1-2-3-4 combo, side step, repeat, hugging CC against the cage, so much so to the point where both of them were literally talking to each other towards the end of the third round.
I'd heard that the Mir/Cro Cop fight was a flinch fest. To much respect for each other's KO power.
Hm, I wouldn't say that. Mir doesn't respect anyone but himself.
He might view himself as the best heavyweight. But I'm sure he's well aware of Flipovic's kicking power. Its one thing to have a mancrush on yourself, its another thing to be sleeping face first on the mat because you didn't study up on an opponents strength.
Ha! If he views himself as the best heavy, he's way in over his head. He hasn't fought Velasquez yet, who is clearly a better fighter, and he was totally crushed and destroyed by Lesnar and Carwin. Best HW my ass.
He's the type of person that views those wins as flukes I'm sure.
I think Velasquez and Mir would be pretty interesting. Mir is technical enough off his back that even though Velasquez is relentless on his takedowns he couldn't just shoot sloppy, and on their feet while Velesquez is technical he's not Mir technical, or nearly as experienced. Since I think Lesnar will have the same success at pinning and punishing against Velasquez as he did against everybody esle, we might actually get to see that fight.
There is no way Velasquez is outwrestling Lesnar. His best shot is to land some perfect strikes on Lesnar as he shoots, otherwise he's done.
He doesn't have the strength to contend with Lesnar or Carwin. Ever.
Both just absolutely controlled him. One on the ground, the other on the fence in the clinch.
I heard the Sherk fight was pretty good.
Sees what as flukes, the losses to Lesnar and Carwin?
Velasquez has been striking for the better part of his career though and from what I've seen, he's always been precise and technical as opposed to Mir who's only really improved in that area since UFC 92. Lesnar in principle at least should be able to have his way with Velasquez but he hasn't fought anyone with Velasquez' durability and endurance.
Agreed on the wrestling point. Lesnar has better credentials. But Cain certainly has what it takes to out-point Lesnar at least. He definitely won't be knocking Brock out, that's for sure.
Yes, the Sherk fight was definitely worthy of its FotN bonus. Sherk was caught in at least 4 guillotine chokes and managed to escape out of every one even though his face went red on two occasions. He also opened up a huge cut on Dunham's face in the first round. Lots of folks felt Dunham should have won the decision due to out-striking Sherk in rounds two and three but given Sherk's ability to defend against submissions and take Evan down, it wasn't shocking to me.
Yeah, I think Mir sees those losses as flukes. He doesn't have the power to contend with EITHER guy, but since he caught Lesnar once, I'm sure he thinks he could do it again.
Mir is pretty technical for such a big guy. He has some faults. His head movement is almost non existant, and he's lost fights to knockouts multiple times, but he's thrown well in almost every fight I've seen him and positions himself better than 90% of the heavy's he fights. His knockouts are mostly the result of getting trapped by bigger and stronger guys and getting pounded out from what I've seen. Velasquez wouldn't be either.
Even if the majority of his boxing was learned 2008, Cain didn't START his fights in the UFC until october 2008.
I think it would be interesting. Much more interesting than the projected Carwin vs Nelson matchup. Carwin is just a brute with piss poor boxing technique, but his strength alone will give Nelson fits. Nelson doesn't even come close to having similar strength, his weight won't give Carwin the least amount of problems, and Carwin while not having a chin of granite, probably won't fold under Nelson's standup.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 29, 2010, 04:26:53 AM
Yeah, I think Mir sees those losses as flukes. He doesn't have the power to contend with EITHER guy, but since he caught Lesnar once, I'm sure he thinks he could do it again.
He's kidding himself. Lesnar knows how to nullify anyone on the ground so he can keep dreaming.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 29, 2010, 04:26:53 AMMir is pretty technical for such a big guy. He has some faults. His head movement is almost non existant, and he's lost fights to knockouts multiple times, but he's thrown well in almost every fight I've seen him and positions himself better than 90% of the heavy's he fights. His knockouts are mostly the result of getting trapped by bigger and stronger guys and getting pounded out from what I've seen. Velasquez wouldn't be either.
It was head movement that knocked down Kongo last December so he's getting better in that regard. Heavys in general I find have bad striking. Granted there are exceptions to the rule, but guys like Kongo, Cro Cop, and Velasquez are few and far between. All three of them have terrific standup skills but how many HW's are there like that, really. HWs for some reason these days seem to prefer fighting on the ground.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 29, 2010, 04:26:53 AMI think it would be interesting. Much more interesting than the projected Carwin vs Nelson matchup.
No kidding, where'd you hear this?
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 29, 2010, 04:26:53 AMCarwin is just a brute with piss poor boxing technique, but his strength alone will give Nelson fits. Nelson doesn't even come close to having similar strength, his weight won't give Carwin the least amount of problems, and Carwin while not having a chin of granite, probably won't fold under Nelson's standup.
Nelson has some crazy agility though despite his huge size. Not quite Lesnar-like zip-zoom-fly skills, but he can move pretty well. It's his grappling that really shines so it'd be interesting to see what happens if the fight goes to the ground.
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Waitaminute, weren't Marquardt and Belfort supposed to meet at UFC 122 but Belfort pulled out due to injury?
And Maynard/Edgar would be good because it'll be a good wrestling match, I'm sure.
No doubt Nelson is nimble, but I just don't see it as being a great matchup for him.
He would need to crush Carwin in the face with several hits to fold Carwin, and Carwin would only need to hit him once to end it. Nelson is like Leben. He can go into zombie mode if struck and survive if you don't pour it on. I just think this fight would be like Leben vs Silva in that Silva ended the fight before Leben could go into zombie mode and regain his wits. Nelson just hung on in the Dos Santos fight, and Dos Santos is a more technical striker than Carwin, but Carwin's first bunch of punches are lethal.
Nelson I think would only challenge if Carwin let him survive the first three minutes or so.
As for sources, it was hinted at by the UK UFC prez.
That was a while ago though, and things change.
I've only ever seen the end of the Kongo/Mir fight about a zillion times after it went to the ground, but never the standup side of it (other than the highlight knockdown).
So I've noticed there's a few Martial Artists/Fighters here on the forums. I think we need a place to share our thoughts on the fighting arts. Post your style, discuss tactics and share your knowledge.
I have trained in about 5 years of Goju Karate, about 3 years of Balintawak Arnis and about 18 months of Muay Thai.
Already have a thread bro. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=5869.msg100162#msg100162)
Sorry to burst your bubble lol
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No problem bro. Didnt see that one. Feel free to Tag and bag this one.
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 15, 2010, 01:37:10 AM
So I've noticed there's a few Martial Artists/Fighters here on the forums. I think we need a place to share our thoughts on the fighting arts. Post your style, discuss tactics and share your knowledge.
I have trained in about 5 years of Goju Karate, about 3 years of Balintawak Arnis and about 18 months of Muay Thai.
I started boxing in 2007, switched gyms in 2009 because my old gym was very boring and too money-driven, so I switched out and found a place. When I started there, I was so overwhelmed because they offered almost literally, everything under the sun. I haven't gone to a formal class in quite a long time because I weight train now, but when I was going regularly, I attended muay thai, savate, wrestling, self-defence, and kali classes.
Cannot believe Brock lost :'( sad night...
I just saw the fight, although I'm so f--kin happy Brock got his ass handed to him, he did make a terrible mistake....
Why in gods name would he think for one second he could shoot for the take down right away with a man like Velasquez who's known for his conditioning and striking? That was a bad move, Brock completely underestimated his opponent and got caught with some nasty hits.
But he'll be back. Sorry for your loss Doom.....
not really bahaha! :D
I agree man. Brock made the same mistake against Cain that he did against Mir back at UFC 81. He was too aggressive in the opening minutes. I mean, he looked good initially with the clinch and the flying knee (which was pretty scary coming from him!), and even the super-fast shoot at the beginning was good. But considering Cain is the better striker, Brock paid a heavy price.
He'll be back man, I have no doubts.
Don't jump off the bridge just yet lol. This loss is a good thing, it's going to make him mad, it will make him more focussed, it will wake him up so he can see the holes in his game and fix it. Watch, I'm telling you his next fight he's going to be 5x the fighter he was now.
It ain't over yet.
For real, the loss will only make him better. Cain vs. JDS should be good for now. Though I have no doubt that Cain will plow right through JDS. His cardio sucks and he couldn't finish Roy Nelson.
Brock has often made mistakes and this is the time he paid for it. He has gotten away with things before that he shouldn't have. He'll come back meaner and hungrier in his next fight.
I wanna see Brock and Cain wrestle now. Brock looked good starting out, if he could have held Cain down than he would still be champ.
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 24, 2010, 10:49:53 PM
Brock has often made mistakes and this is the time he paid for it. He has gotten away with things before that he shouldn't have. He'll come back meaner and hungrier in his next fight.
What mistakes did he make against Couture, Herring, Mir II, or Carwin?
He does at times underestimate his opponents, but due to his sheer size he is able to smother them. This have been very effective for him so far but it was only a matter of time before someone worked his game out. In terms of fights, he is still fairly inexperienced in UFC and has a long (hopefully) career ahead of him. Im looking forward to seeing his future fights. Sometimes it takes a loss to give you that little bit of extra determination.
That's what he got when Mir beat him back at UFC 81. But now, he's going to realize just how sub par his striking is and he really, really needs to overhaul it if he wants to compete seriously. Bring in Freddie Roach I say.
Give Brock some serious striking ability and you have a juggernaut right there.
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 25, 2010, 04:06:24 AM
Give Brock some serious striking ability and you have a juggernaut right there.
QFT
You can't correct striking in just two fights. He's never really had to do it before Carwin or CV, who were both good enough to avoid initial takedowns and land barrages of punches early.
It's going to take time to get his hands where they need to be, but when they get there, watch out. He could be like a fine wine, get better with age.
Or he could be like Tito Ortiz. Once people found out all they had to do was avoid his initial takedowns, he became one dimensional with no answer for striking standing up.
He's going to have to retool his game to be champion again, because there are a shitload of guys who can strike who are contending for the hvyweight title right now.
Hell yeh man.
I totally forgot Tito Ortiz was fighting, just watched the video now.
You know, I think it's all the surgeries and injuries this guy has had that slowed him down big time. Tito Oritz starts off strong but I'm a firm believer everytime he losses is because of his conditioning and injuries. The poor guy gasses out early in a fight and he gets picked off and taken down.
Guy needs to give up fighting, his body just isn't there anymore. Also losing to a student where you taught him everything, no sir, Tito.....Tito I love ya dog but, it's time to hang up dem gloves before you get killed in there.
Seriously, it's not a joke anymore. He needs to stop.
Shame, I never saw him fight considering I only became an MMA fan after UFC 100. You're right though, I wouldn't want him to become like his most hated rival: old man Shamrock. Ortiz could certainly coach though.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 25, 2010, 05:33:47 AM
You can't correct striking in just two fights. He's never really had to do it before Carwin or CV, who were both good enough to avoid initial takedowns and land barrages of punches early.
It's going to take time to get his hands where they need to be, but when they get there, watch out. He could be like a fine wine, get better with age.
I think he'll improve a great deal considering he brings in only the best guys to train him. Pat Barry is a great sparring partner but he needs a better boxing coach.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 25, 2010, 08:16:25 PM
Shame, I never saw him fight considering I only became an MMA fan after UFC 100. You're right though, I wouldn't want him to become like his most hated rival: old man Shamrock. Ortiz could certainly coach though.
For me it was UFC 60, thats where I discovered the legend of Royce Gracie and looked up to him like if he was the second coming of Bruce Lee or something. So I really wanted him to win, ever since then is was OVER! ;D
Its really sad to see the old doggs like Chuck, Tito and The Shamrocks be shadows of their former selves. Im just glad that my hero Bas Rutten will always remain the champ. ;D
Chuck has said he doesn't want to give it up just because of the lifestyle.
Tito's injuries may have something to do with his lack of explosiveness, or people found that if they sprawled like hell to avoid his takedowns and force him to stand, he was very beatable.
Maybe a mix of both. Dude was a straight beast when he was on top of you though and absolutely punished people. Kind of the LHW version of Lesnar. He joined the UFC with ONLY a wrestling background and was still pretty dominant.
I just don't like him. He's certainly not as bad now as he was, but he was a straight up jackass in the day. I grew up always trying to prove those people wrong. Hate guys like that.
Tito can fight though. And even if he's outmatched, he'll still fight so his trash talk isn't misplaced. I actually respect him for that coz he can back up what he says. Unlike Koscheck who cheats in his fights by claiming he's being hit with non-existent illegal blows.
Yeh tito played the infamous card. He's a promoters dream. You either want to see him back up his trash or get his mouth shut. Either way, you pay to see him fight.
Just like Lesnar, except Lesnar is arguably a better fighter.
Did Lesnar talk a ton of shit before the CV fight? I didn't get the impression he did.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 26, 2010, 04:43:16 AM
Did Lesnar talk a ton of shit before the CV fight? I didn't get the impression he did.
He made a comment that pissed off some easily offended Mexican people.
Yeah, it was pretty funny :D
"You're not better than me. Listen, after I get done whooping your ass, I'm gonna go drink a Corona and eat a burrito just for your Hispanic heritage, how 'bout that?"
Shame though because I think it was that comment that really turned their fight into a race war of sorts. Not even kidding, the internet is rife now, on MMA sites, about Latino vs. America basically.
So stupid. We should be past racist crap in 2010.
We're still human beings in 2010. We can't put that past us :P
True. Guess thats why we love the fight ;)
Was anyone else disappointed with the fact that all of the other fights went the distance? I loved watching Sanchez/Thiago and Kampmann/Shields grapple all the way to hell because they are so good at it, but seriously, what the hell is up with so few finishes? UFC 119 was even worse. It seems like more and more fighters are more willing to just circle around their opponents and trade as few shots as possible.
Try were all trying to finish at least, look a BC vs GG and Sanchez vs Thiago, both fights were about to be finished.
Schaub/Gonzaga was working to a finish? Pfft. They spent more time dancing around each other.
At the end of round 1, Schaub almost finished him but the time ran out.
Dana White announced today that WEC will merge with UFC
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Yeah, this is interesting. I'm wondering though how this will affect the WEC's weight classes. Could this mean UFC cards will be stacked too heavily? The advantage in keeping the WEC separate was that it was almost like its own promotion despite being owned by the same parent company that owns the UFC.
Good night of fights for the most part...rematch though for Machida/Rampage, pronto. That was the biggest BS decision since Penn/Edgar I.
Was it as bad as Machida/Rua 1?
Yeah, I think so. Guessing you didn't see it?
I tried, shocked by what you said after reading the play-by-play. Now I must watch it.
Please do, and tell me what you think. I'll just say this: MMA's scoring system needs serious revision.
I heard the first round was pretty evenly matched, the second round went to Rampage, and the third Machida owned.
But I also heard that until the third Rampage was the aggressor and stalked Machida even though he didn't punish him. I looked at the fight stats as well and they favored Rampage too (showed Rampage landed about thirty more). Though without seeing it, its impossible for me to tell what kind of shots were landed.
It was an interesting fight, but it really showed just how stupid the scoring system is. The judges give way too much preference to "aggression". Yes Rampage controlled the centre of the octagon but he was swinging at air. He landed very few shots on Machida in those first two rounds.
The stats actually say 20 more shots, with Machida landing the more powerful shots, but Rampage working the hell out of Machida's middle.
Still though, Rampage is tough as hell, and Machida is going to have to learn to take it to his guys early, or its going to start haunting his career. We know he can finish guys, he just has to become less of a counterstriker.
I like both fighters though, so if they do have a rematch, I'll try to catch that one.
There will be no rematch. Dana has literally dug his heels in and firmly said no, which is a shame.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I realize that Machida vs. Anderson would really, really be boring. How the hell could we ever reasonably expect fireworks from guys that love to counter-punch?
Didn't Silva already say he'd never fight Machida?
I thought they were BFF.
Indeed. But if it were to happen.
The TUF 12 finals are today, my predictions are...
Jonathan Brookins vs. Michael Johnson- Brookins via submission
Stephan Bonnar vs. Igor Pokrajac- Pokrajac via decision
Nam Phan vs. Leonard Garcia- Phan via TKO
Cody McKenzie vs. Aaron Wilkinson- McKenzie via submission
Sako Chivitchian vs. Kyle Watson- Watson via decision
Thoughts, anyone else have predictions?
I only saw the Bonner and Brookings fight. Both were pretty much the same and went the way I predicted.
Bonner and Brookings were getting killed in the standup, but dominated on the ground. I was surprised about the Brookings fight. Bonner at least can get dominated standing up and still survive, Brookings was getting KILLED standing up. I was surprised he lasted the first round to be honest, but came back after the first round and dominated the last two.
How did Fwapper do?
Who?
After seeing the finals I was shocked by the Nam Phan fight, what fight were those judges watching? If I was Nam I would have been pissed.
Nam is Fwapper because the crew and fighters caught him pulling one off at the TUF house.
Ok there :-\, he got screwed over by terrible judging.
Bonnar looked tremendous on the ground. Never knew his grappling was that good...but like Joe Rogan said, given his reputation for always wanting to stand up and trade, we never see it. But he was able to maintain side control for the better part of the fight and that was impressive. Igor has some heavy hands though...Bonnar is one tough S.O.B. for surviving that.
Same thing goes for Brookins. He has a tremendous heart and chin, but he needs to work on his stand up. He can't expect to fight guys like Ken Flo, Sam Stout, or even Dennis Siver without better defense.
Soooo, GSP or Koschek?
I'm not much of a GSP fan but I'm sure he's going to win it...the man is a beast. I hope it's a good fight though.
Quote from: m41guy on Dec 09, 2010, 11:31:27 PM
Soooo, GSP or Koschek?
I'm not much of a GSP fan but I'm sure he's going to win it...the man is a beast. I hope it's a good fight though.
GSP
GSP, no contest. Koscheck is really in over his fat head if he thinks he even has any kind of chance. GSP is so far above fighters on a whole, it's nuts. The guy can do it all; box, kickbox, grapple, wrestle and make it look easy.
There is always that one fight when a fighter is dominant that surprises people.
GSP is clearly a better fighter.
Kos might be good enough this go around to make it interesting.
I'm predicting GSP by third round KO. Koscheck will likely take the fight to the ground just to prove he thinks his wrestling is better. Once it goes there, GSP will get on top of him and finish the fight.
Decision-GSP.
I hear GSP wants to stand and trade, this gives 'Kos a puncher's chance. I think one of three things is going to happen, 'Kos by KO first or second round KO, GSP by KO or sub early on, or another boring GSP decision victory.
GSP wins with the McKenzietine choke
My Predictions:
GSP vs Kos
Stefan Struve vs Sean McCorkle
Jim Miller vs Charles Oliveira
Joe Stevenson vs Mac Danzig
Thiago Alves vs John Howard
Mark Bocek vs Dustin Hazelett
Jesse Bongfeldt vs Rafael Natal
Matthew Riddle vs Sean Pierson
Joe Doerksen vs Dan Miller
TJ Grant vs Ricardo Almeida
Pat Audinwood vs John Makdessi
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Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 10, 2010, 05:24:28 AM
Decision-GSP.
I'd actually welcome it. It'd be nice to see Kos become frustrated and freak out as the fight goes on.
Submit your predictions on Fight of the Night, Knockout of the Night, and Submission of the Night!
for me I went the road less traveled so to speak...
FOTN: Jim Miller vs Charles Oliveira
KO: Howard/Alves
Sub: Joe Stevenson vs Mac Danzig
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I heard about that. Must...download!!!
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Ridiculous.
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I had always thought of this, but never believed it was possible.
I finally saw Phan/Garcia...geez, MMA scoring needs serious revision. Are the judges legally blind or just incompetent? I'd love to know which fight they were watching.
You know it is bad when the winners are as shocked as Garcia was.
Here's a really good article detailing ways of changing the current scoring system. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/536221-four-steps-to-fixing-mma-judging-under-the-10-point-must-system)
More than anything, the judges have to some experience in MMA. I like the idea of using old fighters or refs. The SACs have to stop bringing in old farts that are probably half-blind and half-senile and likely don't know what they're watching.
Who's got Jones over Rua?
Bones Jones all the way!!!
Eh, Jones can break some bones (no pun intended) but fighting an experienced guy like Shogun on a month's notice isn't too intelligent. MMA is unpredictable sure but the technique difference as well as experience speaks volumes.
Jones is an athletic phenom thas has absolutely embarassed fighters on his ascension.
Shogun is tough, experienced, and a heavy hitter.
It's a wildcard fight imo. I think Shogun should win, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jones won. He's like a young upstart Michael Jordan of the lightheavyweights.
That's a fair assessment though I still think it's early for Jones to get his title shot. Never mind the relatively short notice. If Jones loses, he's going to lose a lot of the hype behind him. And that could be a problem not just for the UFC losing interest in such a young phenom but also for Jones as well because as history has shown, any fighter who's built up like that and loses in their most important fight, is never the same fighter after that.
But if your Jones you can't really turn it down either. He might never get a title shot again after this. He made the right choice to fight Shogun imo. Had he not taken it, it could never be offered to him again.
I forget which young fighter that was back in the day that did that. He turned down a title fight and wasn't able to fight for the title again until like five years later.
Sources: UFC, Strikeforce agree to deal
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Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 12, 2011, 04:36:21 AM
But if your Jones you can't really turn it down either. He might never get a title shot again after this. He made the right choice to fight Shogun imo. Had he not taken it, it could never be offered to him again.
I forget which young fighter that was back in the day that did that. He turned down a title fight and wasn't able to fight for the title again until like five years later.
I'm sure he'd get another shot. The kid's really young and has so much time ahead of him.
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 12, 2011, 08:06:39 PM
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Eh, I'm kinda not keen on this. Strikeforce is decent at best granted, but it was nice having another venue to watch different fighters. There'd be little incentive for White to improve on the UFC if the competition disappears.
I also can't wait to hear about the headache M-1 Global will surely create out of this.
I'm going in for my savate grading tonight under Professor Assli. Wish me luck guys!
Break a leg! ;)
And an elbow!
I got my green gloves, yaaaay!!!!
Trained killers don't say "yay." Congrats!
This killer does ;D and thanks.
He's comin back :D! Who will he fight next? Is he still the #1 contender for the title or will he have to fight his way up the latter for his loss to Cain Velasquez as Lyoto Machida did after he lossed to Shogun Rua?
Brock Lesnar is Back (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuLO64EeM2Y#ws)
Lesnar is Back! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5SjD-KcSkE#ws)
QuoteHealthy Lesnar on the hunt for UFC title
Call to arms: Brock Lesnar is ready to serve his legion of fans again.
Former UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar said via Twitter on Thursday that he is healthy again and looks forward to regaining his title.
Lesnar first made the announcement Wednesday during a YouTube video, in which he is seen firing a rifle at prairie dogs in North Dakota.
"Recently, I went under the knife and had surgery for my diverticulitis," Lesnar said. "I feel like a new man. I feel great, healthy [and] strong.
"I feel like I used to feel."
In the video, Lesnar looks to be in top physical condition and displays a lot of energy.
If Lesnar can bring that high-energy level into the cage again, he will be a very difficult out for any UFC heavyweight. The only issue, of course, will be how much has his standup game improved.
Lesnar did not address that matter.
"Right now, [it's] one day at a time for me," Lesnar said. "I still believe there's a bright future in the UFC for me. My health is 100 percent; I feel great. My motivation is there and I want to get on the map again. I want to become the UFC heavyweight champion again and I believe I will do that."
It is not known when Lesnar (5-2-0) will return to the Octagon, but an official announcement is expected to be made Thursday during a news conference.
Lesnar won the heavyweight title in just his third UFC bout, stopping Randy Couture in two rounds on Nov. 15, 2008.
He would successfully defend the title twice, before losing it to Cain Velasquez in Oct. 2010.
Lesnar was scheduled to face Junior dos Santos in a heavyweight title eliminator on June 11 at UFC 131 but was forced to pull out of that bout on May 14 because of diverticulitis.
Shortly after withdrawing from the fight, Lesnar told ESPN.com, "I'll tell you one thing: I'm not retiring. This isn't the end of my career."
It was the second time that Lesnar was forced to withdraw from a bout because of illness. Lesnar pulled out of a title fight with Shane Carwin in October 2009 after discovering he had both mononucleosis and diverticulitis.
He would defend his title against Carwin on July 3, 2010. Lesnar submitted Carwin in the second round.
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Cannot wait.
Lesnar would kill em.
QuoteWith Victory at UFC 134, Brendan Schaub Wouldn't Mind Brock Lesnar Next
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QuoteUFC 134: Is Brendan Schaub Overstepping by Prematurely Calling out Brock Lesnar?
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Of course!
Why does he sound like Steve Wilkos?
Quote from: Signore Predatore on Aug 29, 2011, 01:54:38 AM
Why does he sound like Steve Wilkos?
No, he does not! Dont say that! :P
Unless injuries occur with Velasquez or Dos Santos he shouldn't be the No 1 contender. He needs a couple more fights under his belt to contend with either of those guys. Dos Santos and Velasquez striking is light years ahead of Brock's, and he doesn't know how to defend against a solid striker if he can't get them to the ground as evidenced by both the Carwin fight (where Carwin murdered Brock the first round but punched himself out) and Velasquez (where he destroyed Brock).
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 29, 2011, 03:55:33 AM
Unless injuries occur with Velasquez or Dos Santos he shouldn't be the No 1 contender. He needs a couple more fights under his belt to contend with either of those guys. Dos Santos and Velasquez striking is light years ahead of Brock's, and he doesn't know how to defend against a solid striker if he can't get them to the ground as evidenced by both the Carwin fight (where Carwin murdered Brock the first round but punched himself out) and Velasquez (where he destroyed Brock).
His striking offense is fine but his defense needs work. Saying they are light years ahead of him is an exaggeration. Cain got the advantage after he got the takedown, not when they were striking. He said it himself that the fight turned in his favor after he got the takedown. Brock bested Frank Mir (first fight), Heath Hearing and Randy Couture in striking. That said, I dont think any one should be trying to box Dos Santos anyways, including Velasquez. He's gonna have to mat wrestle him to have any chance of not losing the title to him and it's gonna be really difficult for him to get the takedown on him.
I dont care what Lesnar says, Dos Santos will be his toughest of them all. But maybe he changed his view after the Carwin fight.
QuoteBrock Lesnar: 5 Fights That Make the Most Sense for Lesnar's Eventual Return
Following a second battle with diverticulitis, Brock Lesnar looks to be in prime condition and good spirits.
UFC president Dana White recently confirmed that Lesnar would make his return to the UFC next year, and the anticipation couldn't be any bigger. Although rumours have surfaced involving potential bouts with former Strikeforce Heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem and Frank Mir, the possibilities remain endless.
In this slideshow, we'll look at the potential bouts Lesnar could find himself in when he arrives back in the Octagon next year.
Here are the five bouts for Brock Lesnar's eventual return.
No. 5: Brock Lesnar vs. Roy Nelson
Upon his return, Lesnar would likely receive a tune-up fight prior to entering title contention again. A bout against Roy Nelson would be a formidable test for the former WWE superstar considering Nelson is still relevant in the heavyweight division and is a respected veteran.
Stylistically, it would be a good bout for Lesnar to test his skills against Nelson—who also holds considerable grappling ability and good striking—and clean up some ring rust, too. A matchup against Nelson would also indicate whether or not Lesnar can still remain a relevant draw and consistent fighter in the division.
Nelson is a very durable competitor, and a dominant win over him would clear any doubts about the legitimacy of Lesnar and his success against credible opposition.
A win for Lesnar would likely place him in a title eliminator, in hopes of earning a title shot in the future. It's evident how big of a draw Lesnar is for the UFC, and his consistency would help him reemerge in the title picture.
No. 4: Brock Lesnar vs. Junior dos Santos
Prior to encountering his second bout with diverticulitis, Lesnar was originally scheduled to face heavy-handed Brazilian Junior dos Santos. Both competitors previously served as opposing coaches on the thirteenth season of The Ultimate Fighter.
Dos Santos is scheduled to challenge Cain Velasquez for the UFC heavyweight title at UFC 133, but should he lose, it would make sense to match Lesnar up with his original opponent.
The bout would be difficult for Lesnar, especially coming off a long absence and suffering a TKO loss in his last bout against Velasquez at UFC 121. "Cigano" undoubtedly possesses the best striking in the division, and it's evident that Lesnar is uncomfortable absorbing punishment.
However, it is questionable as to how credible and successful dos Santos is at defending himself off of his back because he has not had to utilize his submission skills, nor has he had to face a efficient wrestler like Lesnar.
If Lesnar were to pick up a win over dos Santos, he would more than likely become the No.1 contender to challenge for the UFC heavyweight championship.
No. 3: Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin II
When Shane Carwin and Brock Lesnar met at UFC 116 last year, it was one of the most anticipated heavyweight bouts in recent memory.
Lesnar was nearly finished in the opening round due to his opponent's aggressive approach and striking power, but he survived and submitted Carwin in the second round to retain his heavyweight title.
The title bout revealed to fans that Lesnar was indeed human and could be defeated, and a rematch between both heavyweights would surely intrigue a lot of fans. Displaying heart and resilience, Lesnar ultimately prevailed, but some fans question the win because of Carwin's game plan rather than the champion's comeback.
Both fighters are coming off losses and a second bout would determine who truly is the better fighter.
Not only would Lesnar regain the spotlight with a second win over Carwin, but he would also prove he is one of the most dominant fighters in mixed martial arts.
No. 2: Brock Lesnar vs. Alistair Overeem
Ever since Overeem was released from Strikeforce, speculation immediately grew surrounding a bout between the Dutch kickboxer and the former UFC heavyweight champion.
Both Overeem and Lesnar have two of the most impressive physiques in MMA, along with their respective skill-sets, which could lead to a competitive bout.
Overeem's superior standup would give him a significant advantage, but it's Lesnar's wrestling credentials that could prove to be the difference maker. Overeem has never shown the greatest takedown defense throughout his career, and with his muscle mass, his questionable cardio could also become a factor.
Lesnar's massive frame might cause problems for Overeem on the ground, as he would look to maintain control and good posture to attempt to put the Dutchman in a vulnerable position. If Lesnar were to defeat Overeem, it would solidify his status as one the best heavyweights in the world.
No. 1: Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir III
If the UFC wanted to retain the drawing power and marketability of Lesnar, it would make the most sense to schedule a third bout between him and his rival Frank Mir. The fight would sell and attract audiences instantly.
Going into this trilogy, Lesnar and Mir already hold a history with each other; therefore, the fight would sell itself. After failing to beat Mir in his debut at UFC 81, Lesnar dominated in such impressive fashion during their rematch at UFC 100, it left many fans under the impression that Mir wouldn't be able to prevail in a third bout.
However, both competitors have gone on different paths since then, and they would carry a lot of momentum heading into a rubber match.
If Lesnar were to defeat Mir again, he would possibly regain some of his aura he had lost and reestablish himself as a dominant figure and a top draw in the UFC.
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Overeem would destroy Brock in standup. It wouldn't be close. I have no idea bout Overeem's ground game though since he never seems to be on his back. Lesnar should just fall over on him like he does everybody else.
Dos Santos and Velasquez would also beat brock.
The only ones I see him beating are Nelson (and that would be tougher than people would think because Nelson has huge KO power and is generally a tough bastard), Mir (Mir just needs to get over his obsession with brock, he is physically outclassed) and maybe Carwin if he can survive the early rounds.
Defense is a huge part of standup and brock has none of it.
Even putting him in the cage with Cro Cop would be dangerous because as long as Lesnar was in the reach of Cro Cop's legs he'd be in trouble.
Schaub would be destroyed by Lesnar. The only way he'd hurt lesnar is via submission. If Carwin blasting Lesnar in the face didn't put him under, then nothing a LHW can do is going to hurt him either. There is also no way he outwrestles Lesnar.
Lesnar can beat anybody if he can get them to the ground. He's like the HW version of young Tito.
Heath Herring and Mir were not beat in the standup department. They were beat in the living man boulder just fell on me and I can't get him off department. Which is exactly what Lesnar's gameplan should be until he learns to defend himself against fools throwing punches at his head.
Overeem vs. Lesnar would be intriguing because stylistically it's very well-matched. It's the classic striker vs. grappler battle. Overeem's TD defense isn't exactly world class and if Brock wants you on the ground, he'll take you there. Even Cain couldn't stop the TD. Yes he was able to spring back up but he still went down. Don't forget that Overeem doesn't like being punched just as much as Brock does. Watch his second fight with Sergei Kharitonov and his second fight with Werdum and he backs away every time he's tagged.
Dos Santos and Velasquez are certainly in the prime of their careers but that doesn't mean they always have Brock's number. Brock's problem(s) in the Cain fight were numerous. Never mind the fact that he took the fight on short notice (he should've waited another 2 months at least before training for a title fight and he admitted as much), but he had too much going on in his life at the time to train for another fight. He also admitted to changing the gameplan on the fly which wasn't smart. There's no way in hell Marty Morgan told him to go balls-to-the-wall with a guy who is a better striker and (arguably) faster. I don't understand what could've possessed Lesnar to fight the way he did. He was winning the round until he was tagged, but for crying out loud. He's bigger and stronger than Cain and on paper anyway, the better wrestler. I think it would have made more sense to push Cain against the cage and work the dirty boxing a la Randy Couture.
Lesnar can take a punch like few men/fighters can. Cain hit him square on the head several times and only dropped him after striking Lesnar on the back of the head which would drop anyone. He just needs to learn some damn head movement already along with major footwork improvement. Fighters Only magazine ran a terrific article earlier this year about Brock's striking game and they interviewed 4 different striking coaches and how they would improve his game. Personally, I think Brock needs to ditch his own gym where he is likely coddled, and train more seriously with someone like Duke Roufus or Bas Rutten, or Freddie Roach. I know Brock knows this because the author said he relayed the coaches' analyses to him. Let's see what happens for his next fight, I guess.
This thread needs to be in the MMA thread by the way.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2011, 02:47:02 AM
Lesnar can take a punch like few men/fighters can.
Yea, that's why I cant understand why he's so worried about getting knocked out..Well that's what it looks like anyways. I remember reading that he's been training with Vitor Belfort though.
Edit:
Lesnar says he needs to work on getting "comfortable" in the Octagon because he's only had 7 fights, and that's his main problem..
http://www.fightline.com/fl/news/2011/0330/538025/brock-lesnar/ (http://www.fightline.com/fl/news/2011/0330/538025/brock-lesnar/)
Boxing is a tricky beast. If you don't know how to pick apart punches you literally can't see whats coming next. It's like somebody shoving a ham in your face disguising the fact that a sledgehammer is hiding behind it somewhere. I don't think Lesnar is afraid to get hit, I think he just doesn't know what to do when that swarm comes from his opponent. It can be overwhelming.
I rewatched the velasquez fight and his hands had improved. He hit Valesquez with an uppercut that probably would've ko'd any lesser opponent. He still has to work on his d and stop some of those punches from getting through by picking them apart with his shoulders, elbows, and hands or via evasion.
If he wins his next opponent and tries to stand with Dos Santos (who I have beating Valesquez) he will get destroyed.
I wouldn't mind seeing him in a tuneup fight like Schaub though. He gets some easy work in, gets confident, and then goes for the next guy.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 30, 2011, 04:26:15 AM
Boxing is a tricky beast. If you don't know how to pick apart punches you literally can't see whats coming next. It's like somebody shoving a ham in your face disguising the fact that a sledgehammer is hiding behind it somewhere. I don't think Lesnar is afraid to get hit, I think he just doesn't know what to do when that swarm comes from his opponent. It can be overwhelming.
I rewatched the velasquez fight and his hands had improved. He hit Valesquez with an uppercut that probably would've ko'd any lesser opponent. He still has to work on his d and stop some of those punches from getting through by picking them apart with his shoulders, elbows, and hands or via evasion.
If he wins his next opponent and tries to stand with Dos Santos (who I have beating Valesquez) he will get destroyed.
I wouldn't mind seeing him in a tuneup fight like Schaub though. He gets some easy work in, gets confident, and then goes for the next guy.
Yea, that's what I was thinking too. Some cannon fodder is what he needs before he takes on the big fish. Im sure Dana White thinks so too. Give em Roy Nelson and Schuab and then he can maybe beat up Frank Mir again before fighting Dos Santos or Velasquez, but I really think their will be a rematch with Carwin before that. Poor Carwin. Im sure he knows that he cant beat Dos Santos no matter how many times they fight. Dos Santos even got the takedown on him!
Quote from: Horhey on Aug 30, 2011, 03:56:32 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2011, 02:47:02 AM
Lesnar can take a punch like few men/fighters can.
Yea, that's why I cant understand why he's so worried about getting knocked out..Well that's what it looks like anyways. I remember reading that he's been training with Vitor Belfort though.
Leading up to UFC 121 I think it was, I remember seeing them pictured together. But IIRC, it didn't actually mean they were training together which is dumb because Belfort is one of the strikers in MMA.
Bas Rutten mentioned in an interview that he could help Lesnar formulate a drill to get him to relax when punches come his way. It's on YouTube. I think that would be ideal because like Kimarhi said, Lesnar doesn't know what to do when he's swarmed. His head may be big and can absorb punishment but he needs to start moving it like a proper boxer.
As for a tune-up opponent; makes sense from a practical perspective but Brock has said he doesn't want to compete unless he's a top contender which means Dana will throw him back to the wolves once he returns. Schaub was just KOed pretty bad by Big Nog so don't expect to see him fight a former champion in Lesnar. Cheick Kongo makes more sense I think given he KOed Pat Barry, Brock's training partner and will need an opponenent next year should he finish Matt Mitrione in November.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2011, 11:57:39 AM
Quote from: Horhey on Aug 30, 2011, 03:56:32 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2011, 02:47:02 AM
Lesnar can take a punch like few men/fighters can.
Yea, that's why I cant understand why he's so worried about getting knocked out..Well that's what it looks like anyways. I remember reading that he's been training with Vitor Belfort though.
Leading up to UFC 121 I think it was, I remember seeing them pictured together. But IIRC, it didn't actually mean they were training together which is dumb because Belfort is one of the strikers in MMA.
Bas Rutten mentioned in an interview that he could help Lesnar formulate a drill to get him to relax when punches come his way. It's on YouTube. I think that would be ideal because like Kimarhi said, Lesnar doesn't know what to do when he's swarmed. His head may be big and can absorb punishment but he needs to start moving it like a proper boxer.
As for a tune-up opponent; makes sense from a practical perspective but Brock has said he doesn't want to compete unless he's a top contender which means Dana will throw him back to the wolves once he returns. Schaub was just KOed pretty bad by Big Nog so don't expect to see him fight a former champion in Lesnar. Cheick Kongo makes more sense I think given he KOed Pat Barry, Brock's training partner and will need an opponenent next year should he finish Matt Mitrione in November.
That's overkill though. Cheick Kongo has no chance. He has practically 0 takedown defense and 0 ground game. That's like bringing a knife to a gunfight against Brock. I wouldnt even go to the sports bar to see that. It would be over in the beginning of the first round just as it was when Frank Mir put him to sleep. Frank Mir really improved his striking so I have no doubt Brock's defense will show improvement with each fight. A lot of fighters improve their game over time. And if his problem is getting "comfortable" than that shouldnt be an issue for him much longer. Having confidence goes a long way. Dos Santos is a good example of that. Ive never seen a fighter more confident in their standup game, other than maybe Anderson Silva.
Thing is is that Brock is young in the sport yet older in age. I think he could be fighting for another 10 years given his athletic prowess but he needs to make serious changes in his camp.
Kongo isn't a ground fighter but it would test Brock's standup skills nicely. Kongo is a pretty vicious striker.
Boxing takes years to learn and time is something Lesnar doesn't have. So that means his only hope is to take a guy down and punch them to death.
He's going to have a tough time getting the belt back.
I wouldn't put it completely past him. Randy Couture began fighting professionally at 34, didn't know anything about BJJ, but was able to develop a solid guard as time went by.
He's no Couture, but it is possible that he could get to the top again. It's going to be a hard one though.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2011, 07:09:33 PM
I wouldn't put it completely past him. Randy Couture began fighting professionally at 34, didn't know anything about BJJ, but was able to develop a solid guard as time went by.
Yeah but Couture has 1 in a million talent. Dude was born to fight. Lesnars just really f**king big and quick. Not that he isn't talented, but not like Raaaaandy.
Lesnar also has one in a million talent. How many men his size, fighting professionally, possess the athletic abilities he does? It's different types of talent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MVOUu2vf-I#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MVOUu2vf-I#ws)
Good video here, Bas's take on Brock is at 4:47.
No he has a one in a million body, not talent.
Winning the UFC HW belt with 3 fights to his name isn't a sign of talent?
Velasquez, weighing much less than him, whooped Lesnar with ease. Lesnar's size isn't a talent, it's a hindrance.
The size only matters when he gets his opponents to the ground. Mir couldn't get out from underneath Lesnar. The difference b/w him and Velasquez is that Cain was able to use the butterfly guard effectively.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2011, 07:46:16 PM
Winning the UFC HW belt with 3 fights to his name isn't a sign of talent?
Wins=\=talent in all cases.
He was like a wild card at that point. People weren't ready for a fighter of that size and speed. Now they are, so it's not as much of an advantage.
Shit just look at his fight against Couture. One guys reading the fight like it's human chess and the others charging round like a bull.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2011, 07:51:59 PM
The size only matters when he gets his opponents to the ground. Mir couldn't get out from underneath Lesnar. The difference b/w him and Velasquez is that Cain was able to use the butterfly guard effectively.
Dude, Cain outclassed Brock in every way. When Brock took him down in the first round, Cain popped right back up.
What were you saying about Brock's size earlier, that he's talented because of it, or he's talented for a big guy?
Quote from: Aeus on Aug 30, 2011, 07:44:32 PM
No he has a one in a million body, not talent.
Lesnar is a two-time NJCAA All-American, 1998 NJCAA Heavyweight Champion, two-time NCAA All-American, two-time Big Ten Conference Champion, and the 2000 NCAA heavyweight champion with a record of 106–5. Nah, he's not talented. He only has the best wrestling record in the UFC. The Velasquez fight was not an easy victory for him. It looked like Lesnar had his number early on. I dont believe Cain will beat him again. Cain is at his peak and Brock will only get better with experience and he learns from his mistakes as we saw in Lesnar vs Mir 2. And he's already been training in boxing for years, since before he entered K-1.
Quote from: Aeus on Aug 30, 2011, 07:55:56 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2011, 07:46:16 PM
Winning the UFC HW belt with 3 fights to his name isn't a sign of talent?
Wins=\=talent in all cases.
He was like a wild card at that point. People weren't ready for a fighter of that size and speed. Now they are, so it's not as much of an advantage.
Shit just look at his fight against Couture. One guys reading the fight like it's human chess and the others charging round like a bull.
I wouldn't say they're ready. It's only Cain and JDS that are the two best in the division. Lesnar easily ranks 3rd behind them.
Quote from: Master Chief on Aug 30, 2011, 08:01:44 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2011, 07:51:59 PM
The size only matters when he gets his opponents to the ground. Mir couldn't get out from underneath Lesnar. The difference b/w him and Velasquez is that Cain was able to use the butterfly guard effectively.
Dude, Cain outclassed Brock in every way. When Brock took him down in the first round, Cain popped right back up.
What were you saying about Brock's size earlier, that he's talented because of it, or he's talented for a big guy?
Well, I do think part of that is due to the fact is that Brock wasn't fully ready like I've already said. As for the talent comment, I think it's for both reasons. But more so the second.
I wouldnt invest my time and money in a dud fighter.
I personally think Brock is underrated. For crying out loud, the man loses one fight in a really bad way and all of a sudden he supposedly sucks and can't get back on top ???
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2011, 11:51:41 PM
I personally think Brock is underrated. For crying out loud, the man loses one fight in a really bad way and all of a sudden he supposedly sucks and can't get back on top ???
Like Dana White said about his loss to Cain - "everybody loses."
"everybody loses." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3b3wlsnWv0#ws)
All this talk and videos about Brock's striking...there's no way Brock isn't getting the message and taking it to heart.
You don't pick up boxing/kickboxing right away. It takes YEARS.
Brock just has to learn his limitations and avoid brawls with guys like Carwin/Valesquez and possibly Dos Santos. Hell if I was his corner man I wouldn't even let him face Nelson on his feet.
He IS a talented wrestler with a freakish combination of size and speed. And he should use that. He's much better than Kimbo but faces Kimbo's problem. Had they come into the sport much earlier at an earlier age it would be a different story. But they didn't. They only have a limited window to do what they want to do before it closes. That means playing to your strengths.
Lesnar should wrestle (and really this isn't bad, Tito reigned for years as a ground and pound specialist) and Kimbo went to box.
It's not like either guy picked up the sport at 21.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 31, 2011, 04:46:11 AM
You don't pick up boxing/kickboxing right away. It takes YEARS.
Brock just has to learn his limitations and avoid brawls with guys like Carwin/Valesquez and possibly Dos Santos. Hell if I was his corner man I wouldn't even let him face Nelson on his feet.
Nah, I think he will improve. He's already been training for years anyways. I dont think avoiding brawls is in the cards for him. He wont settle for that. Like Dana said, he needs get used to reacting to getting punched. That's his problem. His reaction to recieving punches. His accuracy is pretty f**kin good. He kocked Frank Mir, Heath Hearing and Randy Couture off thier feat. He's way too fast for a man his size.
Minitaro Nogueira wants to fight Mir or Lesnar. He would lose against both. Anyone disagree?
QuoteBig Nog Wants Mir Or Lesnar In Canada Or Japan
http://www.fightline.com/fl/news/2011/0830/543678/antonio-rodrigo-minotauro-nogueira/ (http://www.fightline.com/fl/news/2011/0830/543678/antonio-rodrigo-minotauro-nogueira/)
Frank Mir wants a rematch with Brock and a match with Alistair Overeem. Even though he may do better than last time, he will still lose Brock but I think he'll make Overeem tap. He can stand with him too. Frank Mir's striking is really good now.
QuoteMir targets Lesnar and Overeem
http://www.espn.co.uk/ufc/sport/story/108630.html (http://www.espn.co.uk/ufc/sport/story/108630.html)
This is my other favorite fighter right here..
Highlights of Lyoto Machida's best fights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5gYuCAgvV4#)
He should've gotten a title shot 2 fights ago. After he lost the title to Shogun, he's defeated 5 or 6 guys and he still isnt the #1 contendor.
Mir has no business being in the cage with Lesnar. I think any smart MMA fan acknowledges that. As for Minotauro, he has the striking to put Lesnar down but if the fight goes to the ground, which I'm 100% certain it would, Lesnar will crush him. Mir vs. Overeem is unique in a way. Overeem could easily KO Mir before Mir knew what hit him and that's likely how it would end. Mir has a big ego and would trade with Overeem just to prove a point. Mir would beat Nog soundly I think. Their striking is about level I'd say from what I've seen recently and their jits is about the same though Nog holds a slight advantage only because he trains at Black House.
About Lesnar striking, here's my final view on the matter. Like Master Chief and Kimarhi said, boxing and kickboxing take years to pick up properly and bring to elite levels. Lesnar can learn striking well enough that he could use his striking not to stay in the pocket and trade punches but more as a way to set up his takedowns and properly control all of his opponents.
What 5 or 6 guys has Lyoto beaten since Shogun? He's only fought twice: Randy and Rampage.
Quote from: Horhey on Aug 31, 2011, 06:16:42 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 31, 2011, 04:46:11 AM
You don't pick up boxing/kickboxing right away. It takes YEARS.
Brock just has to learn his limitations and avoid brawls with guys like Carwin/Valesquez and possibly Dos Santos. Hell if I was his corner man I wouldn't even let him face Nelson on his feet.
Nah, I think he will improve. He's already been training for years anyways. I dont think avoiding brawls is in the cards for him. He wont settle for that. Like Dana said, he needs get used to reacting to getting punched. That's his problem. His reaction to recieving punches. His accuracy is pretty f**kin good. He kocked Frank Mir, Heath Hearing and Randy Couture off thier feat. He's way too fast for a man his size.
He didn't beat those guys on their feet though. He destroyed them on the ground.
There is no way Lesnar beats Carwin, Velasquez, or Dos Santos strictly standing. It isn't going to happen.
I would be wary of letting him stand against Barry, Kongo, or Nelson. All have one shot ko power. All are better strikers than Lesnar. He could easily beat any of the bottom three, and we know for sure one of the top three if he plays to his strengths. And that's getting those guys on the ground and doing the business.
Couture was a tough bastard that had a second prime way outside of where any man should, but has always been vulnerable to the ko shot and was significantly older than just about everybody in the division when he fought lesnar. He's also one of Lesnar's few ko's. Lesnar can abuse guys but he isn't exactly a finisher.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 31, 2011, 02:04:00 PM
Mir has no business being in the cage with Lesnar. I think any smart MMA fan acknowledges that. As for Minotauro, he has the striking to put Lesnar down but if the fight goes to the ground, which I'm 100% certain it would, Lesnar will crush him.
Nah, I think Lesnar would beat Minotauro in striking. If Brock cant even stand with him than he shouldnt even be in the UFC. The only thing Minotauro has going for him in that area against Lesnar is that he can take quite a few knockout punches and not even blink.
QuoteWhat 5 or 6 guys has Lyoto beaten since Shogun? He's only fought twice: Randy and Rampage.
Yea, you're right. My friend at work confused me when we were talking. As for the Rampage match, even he said Machida really won the fight. It was a bad decision by boxing judges who dont know how to score MMA fights.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 01, 2011, 01:51:37 AM
Quote from: Horhey on Aug 31, 2011, 06:16:42 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 31, 2011, 04:46:11 AM
You don't pick up boxing/kickboxing right away. It takes YEARS.
Brock just has to learn his limitations and avoid brawls with guys like Carwin/Valesquez and possibly Dos Santos. Hell if I was his corner man I wouldn't even let him face Nelson on his feet.
Nah, I think he will improve. He's already been training for years anyways. I dont think avoiding brawls is in the cards for him. He wont settle for that. Like Dana said, he needs get used to reacting to getting punched. That's his problem. His reaction to recieving punches. His accuracy is pretty f**kin good. He kocked Frank Mir, Heath Hearing and Randy Couture off thier feat. He's way too fast for a man his size.
He didn't beat those guys on their feet though. He destroyed them on the ground.
He still knocked them on their asses.
Does this have something to do with why both of the these fighters are the best in their weight divisions?
UFC 129: Steven Seagal 'Amazingly Proud' of Lyoto Machida for Front Kick
UFC 129: Steven Seagal 'Amazingly Proud' of Lyoto Machida for Front Kick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLJ-uTy_E1U#ws)
UFC 129: Lyoto Machida Explains Front Kick
UFC 129: Lyoto Machida Explains Front Kick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WczMHbWZKuQ#ws)
Steven Seagal teaching Lyoto Machida new moves
Steven Seagal teaching Lyoto Machida new moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI6eRSZ8Et0#)
Lyoto Machida training with Steven Seagal
Lyoto Machida training with Steven Seagal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Bx2lRGtrI#)
Steven Seagal drops Anderson Silva With Wrist Lock for Not Punching Quick Enough
Steven Seagal drops Anderson Silva With Wrist Lock for Not Punching Quick Enough (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrOyjpFaLIA#)
Steven Seagal teaches Anderson Silva some moves
Steven Seagal teaches Anderson Silva some moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaVDFW_o1cA#)
What do ya think guys? Is Seagal in another league?
I think Seagal is full of shit. Lyoto Machida karate black belt and Anderson Silva advanced red (I think) in muay thai and he teaches them a teep kick? Suuuuuuuuuuuure.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 01, 2011, 01:51:37 AM
Lesnar can abuse guys but he isn't exactly a finisher.
7 fights, of which he finished 4. What are you talking about?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 01, 2011, 03:35:46 AM
I think Seagal is full of shit. Lyoto Machida karate black belt and Anderson Silva advanced red (I think) in muay thai and he teaches them a teep kick? Suuuuuuuuuuuure.
He's teaching them a lot more than that. He is their Sensei now. And Machida even gave him credit for helping him perfect that kick. It's in the second video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbDvWz2G868# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbDvWz2G868#)
That's from 2009, ergo before Seagal showed up. I doubt Stevie had anything to do with the kick in reality. Black House even admitted bringing in Seagal was just a gimmick to help promote themselves in America.
http://themmacorner.com/2011/08/31/could-brock-lesnar-be-heading-for-retirement/ (http://themmacorner.com/2011/08/31/could-brock-lesnar-be-heading-for-retirement/)
Say it ain't so :'(
It's not worth it. His health is far more important than his career in the UFC.
I want to agree with you. But he doesn't deserve to go out like that.
Man this sucks I like him and think he could be great but his health is more important then fighting.......the mans family is more important than fighting.
Yep!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 01, 2011, 09:08:07 PM
I want to agree with you. But he doesn't deserve to go out like that.
You're right but he shouldn't ignore the dr's orders. We're not talking just getting sick again, we're talking about death. I hope he swallows his pride on this one.
If we're taking the article at face value, the doctors are saying fighting is inadvisable which to me means, "not a good idea, but you don't necessarily have to give it up entirely".
This is what I'd pay attention to:
QuoteAccording to the sources, more than one doctor has informed Lesnar that he should no longer compete in the sport due to the stress that training and fighting puts on his body.
But if it's a coin-toss option, I don't see Brock retiring anytime soon.
It could always be more false rumors. Like all the false reports that he was going to quit the UFC and go back to the WWE. The experts said he should be at 100% after the surgery.
Quote from: Horhey on Sep 01, 2011, 11:11:57 PM
It could always be more false rumors. Like all the false reports that he was going to quit the UFC and go back to the WWE. The experts said he should be at 100% after the surgery.
I hope so.
Quote from: Horhey on Sep 01, 2011, 11:11:57 PM
It could always be more false rumors. Like all the false reports that he was going to quit the UFC and go back to the WWE. The experts said he should be at 100% after the surgery.
That was my first guess too. Man, I hope so. Though I'd be lying if I said part of me doesn't want to see the big guy fighting if it means damaging his health long-term.
On another note how many of you want a Georges St. Pierre Vs Anderson Silva macth???
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Sep 01, 2011, 11:23:48 PM
Quote from: Horhey on Sep 01, 2011, 11:11:57 PM
It could always be more false rumors. Like all the false reports that he was going to quit the UFC and go back to the WWE. The experts said he should be at 100% after the surgery.
I hope so.
QuoteBrock Lesnar: An Expert Weighs In On His Disease
Can Brock Lesnar ever be the same again?
Brock Lesnar was forced to pull out of his scheduled fight with Junior dos Santos due to a flair up of his diverticulitis. Lesnar missed more than a year because of the disease before returning to defeat Shane Carwin at UFC 116. This is the second time Lesnar will be missing significant time while he deals with diverticulitis, and it is an issue the former heavyweight champ will be dealing with for the rest of his career and life. Naturally, this raises a lot of questions.
Will Brock Lesnar ever be a consistent pro-fighter again in the sense that he can be counted on to make it through camp and anchor a PPV? Or will the diverticulitis permanently impede his career, and as a result, his steady progress as a mixed martial artist?
Doctor Dan C. Cohen, MD is board certified in internal medicine and is completing his training in gastroenterology at Scott & White Hospital in Temple, TX. After hearing the general details of Lesnar's situation, he provided a relatively positive outlook for the fighter's future.
"Diverticulitis presents as an acute, or sudden, attack and is marked by severe abdominal pain and fever, often accompanied by nausea and vomiting and/or diarrhea," said Cohen. "Approximately one third of patients will have recurrent attacks and will eventually require surgery. Between attacks, which can be anywhere from months to years, people generally have no symptoms, but 30 to 40 \% of patients will have episodic cramping and pain. In rare cases however, patient's can have persistent abdominal cramping after attacks of diverticulitis. This is termed "smoldering diverticulitis". It can be difficult to distinguish smoldering diverticulitis from the much more common condition of irritable bowel syndrome, or IBS, both of which can cause chronic gastrointestinal symptoms. So, to answer your question, it is certainly possible that this can continue to be a problem for him in subsequent training camps, but with the right diagnosis and the right treatment, his gastrointestinal issues can be managed and they shouldn't prevent him from training properly in the future."
This falls in line with Lesnar's comments about "managing" his condition poorly during camp. It is not unreasonable to think there would be a learning curve for a professional athlete trying to deal with such a serious condition. And there are many angles for Lesnar to consider according to Cohen.
Cohen pointed out that even worst case scenarios should not derail Lesnar's future if he gets proper treatment.
" I am not aware of his exact circumstances, but If he truly has recurrent diverticulitis or the rarer smoldering diverticulitis I would recommend Exploring surgery as an option," Cohen said. "I say this for two reasons. First, this is obviously having a great impact on his career so obtaining a definitive cure is paramount. But secondly, a severe flare of diverticulitis can lead to serious complications and even death. Recurrent diverticulitis is generally managed with surgery. Being young and in shape makes his chances of doing well in surgery and having a smooth recovery high. With regards to training and fighting, if he is not having an acute attack flare, there is really no risk for him to continue to train and fight. In fact, exercise has been shown in some studies to reduce the chances of acute attacks."
Of course, Lesnar needs to do more than just exercise. He needs to be able to train like an elite professional athlete. I was skeptical about Lesnar's chances, but his statements, in conjunction with Dr. Cohen's opinion, changed my mind.
If Brock heals up and Shane Carwin and heavyweight champ Cain Velasquez bounce back, we could finally see the fireworks we have been expecting from the heavyweight division in the very near future. There are a lot of "ifs" in there, but hearing from an expert that Lesnar's diverticulitis should be a manageable condition is a good reason for optimism.
http://www.thefastertimes.com/mma/2011/05/17/brock-lesnar-an-expert-weighs-in-on-his-disease/ (http://www.thefastertimes.com/mma/2011/05/17/brock-lesnar-an-expert-weighs-in-on-his-disease/)
I love MMA I have been in MMA and Advanced Boxing for over 5 years already. It is a very cool sport to master and learn. Self-Defense is the way to survive in some situations. I love the UFC, and I have UFC Undisputed 2010 and 09
What type of self-defence training do you do?
Horhey, that article is encouraging but it's five months old. It's possible Lesnar is worse than they realized.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2011, 12:56:53 AM
What type of self-defence training do you do?
Horhey, that article is encouraging but it's five months old. It's possible Lesnar is worse than they realized.
Heavy Bag training, I don't like the light bags only when I'm lazy, because I used the MMA gloves and it ripped the skin off my fingers so I use light bags mostly but I prefer heavy. I usually Knee, Kick, Elbow, Jab, Hooks, Upper Cuts, Under Cuts, Super man Punches (My Favorite), etc. I use multiple bags not just one. I like using dummies to, for takedowns.
Sounds like standard muay thai.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2011, 01:55:56 AM
Sounds like standard muay thai.
Yeah I was in kickboxing to never in Muay Thai though I wish I was; Muay Thai is awesome!
I've done self-defense. Jeet Kune Do to be precise which teaches various SD concepts. I've done CQC stuff with some knife drills.
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Sep 01, 2011, 11:44:54 PM
On another note how many of you want a Georges St. Pierre Vs Anderson Silva macth???
Silva would destroy Pierre. Pierre is a stout 170 lb guy who is strong for his division. Silva is an elite striker that can compete (and knockout) contender's in the LHW division. Pierre has no speed advantage. And he might be the more fundamentally sound wrestler, at HIS weight class. The only time Silva was manhandled semi/recently was Hendo for a round (another guy that has competed at LHW and was an Olympian) and Sonnen (strong like bull) a big MW.
I just don't even see it being a contest. There is no way Silva drops to 170 for the fight as it would require him weakening himself to compete. It would be fought at a catchweight like 178 or something. And when Pierre shoots for the takedown, which is his only option for success, he'll risk getting tagged.
And if he's stupid enough to stand with Silva, he'll get knocked out. It's kind of a lose/lose for Pierre. Silva probably walks around at 195 or so. He'd have to lose 17 or 18 lbs of water and muscle mass to compete at suggested catchweight. Pierre probably walks around at 180. He'll have to lose five lbs of waterweight. If he wins it will be because of the weight cut Silva had to lose. Even if that's not true, thats what the media will spin it as.
Kind of like how they said Jackson lost to Evans because he spent all his time losing the waterweight and fat he acquired making movies.
overanalysis complete.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2011, 02:04:44 AM
I've done self-defense. Jeet Kune Do to be precise which teaches various SD concepts. I've done CQC stuff with some knife drills.
Wow!..
where did u learn it..?
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 02, 2011, 05:23:44 AM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Sep 01, 2011, 11:44:54 PM
On another note how many of you want a Georges St. Pierre Vs Anderson Silva macth???
Silva would destroy Pierre. Pierre is a stout 170 lb guy who is strong for his division. Silva is an elite striker that can compete (and knockout) contender's in the LHW division. Pierre has no speed advantage. And he might be the more fundamentally sound wrestler, at HIS weight class. The only time Silva was manhandled semi/recently was Hendo for a round (another guy that has competed at LHW and was an Olympian) and Sonnen (strong like bull) a big MW.
I just don't even see it being a contest. There is no way Silva drops to 170 for the fight as it would require him weakening himself to compete. It would be fought at a catchweight like 178 or something. And when Pierre shoots for the takedown, which is his only option for success, he'll risk getting tagged.
And if he's stupid enough to stand with Silva, he'll get knocked out. It's kind of a lose/lose for Pierre. Silva probably walks around at 195 or so. He'd have to lose 17 or 18 lbs of water and muscle mass to compete at suggested catchweight. Pierre probably walks around at 180. He'll have to lose five lbs of waterweight. If he wins it will be because of the weight cut Silva had to lose. Even if that's not true, thats what the media will spin it as.
Kind of like how they said Jackson lost to Evans because he spent all his time losing the waterweight and fat he acquired making movies.
overanalysis complete.
Except that GSP is the best wrestler in MMA and is a master at setting up and timing his takedowns perfectly. I can't remember the last time anyone stuffed one of his TDs and Silva's TD defense is pretty horrid as his fights with Hendo and Sonnen showed. I won't disagree on the striking though. But you also have to consider that if they met at MW, GSP would have the physical advantage because he naturally walks around at 195 lbs (word from his camp). Silva would be cutting at least a good 40 lbs which won't leave him in the best of shape.
Quote from: The Saint on Sep 02, 2011, 05:37:21 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2011, 02:04:44 AM
I've done self-defense. Jeet Kune Do to be precise which teaches various SD concepts. I've done CQC stuff with some knife drills.
Wow!..
where did u learn it..?
Gym not too far from my place here in Mississauga.
Quote from: Horhey on Sep 01, 2011, 03:11:39 AM
Does this have something to do with why both of the these fighters are the best in their weight divisions?
UFC 129: Steven Seagal 'Amazingly Proud' of Lyoto Machida for Front Kick
UFC 129: Steven Seagal 'Amazingly Proud' of Lyoto Machida for Front Kick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLJ-uTy_E1U#ws)
UFC 129: Lyoto Machida Explains Front Kick
UFC 129: Lyoto Machida Explains Front Kick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WczMHbWZKuQ#ws)
Steven Seagal teaching Lyoto Machida new moves
Steven Seagal teaching Lyoto Machida new moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI6eRSZ8Et0#)
Lyoto Machida training with Steven Seagal
Lyoto Machida training with Steven Seagal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Bx2lRGtrI#)
Steven Seagal drops Anderson Silva With Wrist Lock for Not Punching Quick Enough
Steven Seagal drops Anderson Silva With Wrist Lock for Not Punching Quick Enough (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrOyjpFaLIA#)
Steven Seagal teaches Anderson Silva some moves
Steven Seagal teaches Anderson Silva some moves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaVDFW_o1cA#)
What do ya think guys? Is Seagal in another league?
Well, that front kick that mr. Segal says have tought Lyoto and Anderson Silva reminds me of the front kick we are practiceing in our Taekwondo class, it's called an "ap chagi", the key behind it ain't "kick hard" but to draw back you leg as fast you can on impact, the speed is what gives it power. To show you what I'm talking about, try to do a front kick at home as you know it, then do the same kick again but this time FOCUS on drawing back your leg as fast as you can.
Please, I would love to get some feedback after you tried it.
To a different topic, who do you think will win, Jones or Rampage?
Does Rampage stand a punchers chance?
I tried the front kick on my neighbor and kicked him across the street. It works perfect!
Quote from: Milan on Sep 02, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
To a different topic, who do you think will win, Jones or Rampage?
Does Rampage stand a punchers chance?
I think Jones is going to dominate Rampage. Does Rampage have a puncher's chance? Of course...if he's able to get one in.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 02, 2011, 02:36:59 PM
I tried the front kick on my neighbor and kicked him across the street. It works perfect!
Man, that's an understatement, mr. Robinson landed on my coffe table over here in Sweden, he sends his regards ;)
Quote from: Milan on Sep 02, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
To a different topic, who do you think will win, Jones or Rampage?
Does Rampage stand a punchers chance?
I think Jones is going to dominate Rampage. Does Rampage have a puncher's chance? Of course...if he's able to get one in.
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Yeah, I also think that he'll dominate him. I don't know if Rampage had a bad day when he fought Hamill, or if Hamill had a good day but it looked hard for Rampage to knock him out...
But in the fight against the Swede Gustafsson, Hamill went down by a punch that didn't look that hard.
Maybe Rampage did soften him up alittle for the swede :)
But I'm starting to think that maybe Rampage have lost his "sting"...
Quote from: Milan on Sep 02, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
Well, that front kick that mr. Segal says have tought Lyoto and Anderson Silva reminds me of the front kick we are practiceing in our Taekwondo class, it's called an "ap chagi", the key behind it ain't "kick hard" but to draw back you leg as fast you can on impact, the speed is what gives it power. To show you what I'm talking about, try to do a front kick at home as you know it, then do the same kick again but this time FOCUS on drawing back your leg as fast as you can.
Please, I would love to get some feedback after you tried it.
I learned that kick in the first month of doing savate. We call it a "frontal chasse". It's so easy to pull off. Bring your knee up into what's called a chamber then just snap your leg forward. Ideally your kicking with your toes, going for someone's chest but when you're tall and have long legs like mine, hitting someone's lower jaw is that much easier. I do the drawback too, as you describe it. It also aids with balance.
Quote from: Milan on Sep 02, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
To a different topic, who do you think will win, Jones or Rampage?
Does Rampage stand a punchers chance?
I'm pretty sure Jones is laughing right now. Rampage will stand and bang with him which will lead to to his untimely beheading. I don't like Jones as a person, but I like Rampage even less.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/09/02/dana-white-brock-lesnar-is-100-percent-healthy/ (http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/09/02/dana-white-brock-lesnar-is-100-percent-healthy/)
WHO DA MAN, WHO DA MAN!?!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Rampage is an idiot, but he's also hilarious. Jones can't let Rampage land clean blows and must use his reach to his advantage.
I'm rooting for Rampage, but expect Jones to win. Rampage has been knocked out a handful of times. A couple to Shogun. Who Jones dismantled.
He will use his reach, count on it. That's why Jones always looks so great. His hands aren't the greatest if you break it down but because he has a 10 foot reach advantage he can keep people on the outside with ease.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2011, 12:20:00 PM
Gym not too far from my place here in Mississauga.
You are the first person i know who's learnt it!!
How good is it ..as in how did it change you both mentally and physically?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2011, 12:56:53 AM
Horhey, that article is encouraging but it's five months old. It's possible Lesnar is worse than they realized.
QuoteBrock Lesnar Still on Track for UFC Return in Early 2012
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=mmaweekly-c229553c72604cb2b6f15c4165afbdff (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=mmaweekly-c229553c72604cb2b6f15c4165afbdff)
QuoteWhite: Lesnar's Rumored Retirement 'Ridiculous'
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/White-Lesnars-Rumored-Retirement-Ridiculous-35254 (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/White-Lesnars-Rumored-Retirement-Ridiculous-35254)
QuoteDana White: Brock Lesnar Is 100 Percent Healthy
Despite rumors that health problems could force the UFC's biggest pay-per-view draw to retire from mixed martial arts, UFC President Dana White says Brock Lesnar is doing just fine.
"That's ridiculous," White said Friday when asked whether Lesnar's health problems would force him to retire. "It's so far from the truth it's not even funny."
Although a recurrence of diverticulitis forced Lesnar to pull out of his previously scheduled fight against Junior dos Santos in June, White said Lesnar is in great shape and preparing to begin a training camp for a return to the Octagon.
The guy's been working up on a farm up in Canada all summer," White said of Lesnar. "He's 100 percent. His surgery went great, he's 100 percent, he's getting back into training in the next couple of weeks."
There's been no announcement of a return date for Lesnar, who hasn't fought since October of 2010. But White says UFC fans can count on seeing Lesnar fight again.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/09/02/dana-white-brock-lesnar-is-100-percent-healthy/ (http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/09/02/dana-white-brock-lesnar-is-100-percent-healthy/)
^^ See my last post, I added the article in there.
Quote from: The Saint on Sep 03, 2011, 05:33:36 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2011, 12:20:00 PM
Gym not too far from my place here in Mississauga.
You are the first person i know who's learnt it!!
How good is it ..as in how did it change you both mentally and physically?
It's very good. It really is mixed martial arts because it incorporates a little bit of everything. Even when we bow in, the motion we make incorporates wing chun and kung-fu, that I know of. Physically, it's like any other art. It keeps me lean. But mentally, it's opened my mind up to the idea that there is no one ultimate, best martial art. Every art has something different to offer and even life in general. Life isn't black and white. Be open to new experiences and strive to learn different things. It's amazing how many people forget that.
What weight division you in Doom? 180-190?
Middleweight. I walk around at 180-185. 175 is the lowest I'll go but I'm getting better at maintaining.
Just saying this but I take Tae Kwon Do and Wrestling.
My master based his style on Bruce Lee and Lee was taught by Ip Man, who was a Chinese Wing Chun (Kung Fu) master.
Ip Man defeated the English boxers to save China from being taken over and he defeated the Japanese general for freedome.
Wrestling is a version of what the US Navy Seals and Army Rangers are taught.
Is it shoot wrestling you're learning?
I.
Somewhat
Quote from: PHANTOM on Sep 03, 2011, 11:02:07 PM
I grappled with a friend of mine once, he was a Ranger and I asked him if he was taught any grappling in the Army he chuckled and said no.
Somehow I'm not surprised...
Quote from: PHANTOM on Sep 03, 2011, 11:02:07 PMOh btw DOOM you're in my weight class, I'm 185 here (high five) ;D
High five indeed Sir! I'd like to get up to LHW if I can, with solid muscle not just body fat.
Quote from: AVPmaniak on Sep 03, 2011, 11:15:31 PM
Somewhat
Does it have a specific name, what you're learning?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2011, 08:32:41 PM
Middleweight. I walk around at 180-185. 175 is the lowest I'll go but I'm getting better at maintaining.
Roast chickens all day every day. Went up to 200 over the summer. Maintaining there now. Hard to see any more gains though on top of that, but I'm still trying. :D
I just bought a new weight gainer: Massive, by Perfect Nutrition. 1228 calories if drank with 500 ml of milk. Stuff is working well, but I've been slacking on my workouts. These last two months have sucked.
Try to consume around 5000-6000 calories a day. Lots of carbs. You'll put on a bit of fat, but the weight should fly on.
Any ideas on how to lose some weight before starting a martial art?
Quote from: Aeus on Sep 04, 2011, 02:37:23 AM
Try to consume around 5000-6000 calories a day. Lots of carbs. You'll put on a bit of fat, but the weight should fly on.
Yeah, but I need to workout too. I don't want just fat weight. It's muscle I'm working towards.
Quote from: The PredBen on Sep 04, 2011, 03:25:39 AM
Any ideas on how to lose some weight before starting a martial art?
Don't worry, martial arts training will burn fat quicktimes if you're consistent. If you really want to do it fast, wrestle.
Wrestling burns a ton of fat? And is it a martial art?
Wrestling has always been a martial art. Anything that teaches you how to fight is a martial art, loosely speaking. Everything from boxing to wrestling to kung-fu to hapkido, are martial arts. And yes, wrestling will burn tons of fat because it's very cardio intensive.
Is it the workouts you do that burn the fat or the actual wrestling matches too?
Both. A match/fight is a workout in of itself.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 03, 2011, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: The Saint on Sep 03, 2011, 05:33:36 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2011, 12:20:00 PM
Gym not too far from my place here in Mississauga.
You are the first person i know who's learnt it!!
How good is it ..as in how did it change you both mentally and physically?
It's very good. It really is mixed martial arts because it incorporates a little bit of everything. Even when we bow in, the motion we make incorporates wing chun and kung-fu, that I know of. Physically, it's like any other art. It keeps me lean. But mentally, it's opened my mind up to the idea that there is no one ultimate, best martial art. Every art has something different to offer and even life in general. Life isn't black and white. Be open to new experiences and strive to learn different things. It's amazing how many people forget that.
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YES SIR!!!
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Doom, I take normal wrestling but my TKD master taught me how to use knife and gun defence as a Jiu-Jitsu expert.
I also know how to use a gun/knife in a fight.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Sep 03, 2011, 11:02:07 PM
I grappled with a friend of mine once, he was a Ranger and I asked him if he was taught any grappling in the Army he chuckled and said no.
Depends on what you call grappling.
There are plenty of jiu-jitsu moves incorporated in US Army Combatives (assuming your friend is of course a US Army Ranger and not some other militaries Ranger).
You get a shitload of it in BCT. The National Guard starts doing combatives before they even ship to BCT.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 04, 2011, 04:40:44 AM
Quote from: Aeus on Sep 04, 2011, 02:37:23 AM
Try to consume around 5000-6000 calories a day. Lots of carbs. You'll put on a bit of fat, but the weight should fly on.
Yeah, but I need to workout too. I don't want just fat weight. It's muscle I'm working towards.
Yeah you gotta do that with a workout program.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 04, 2011, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Sep 03, 2011, 11:02:07 PM
I grappled with a friend of mine once, he was a Ranger and I asked him if he was taught any grappling in the Army he chuckled and said no.
Depends on what you call grappling.
There are plenty of jiu-jitsu moves incorporated in US Army Combatives (assuming your friend is of course a US Army Ranger and not some other militaries Ranger).
You get a shitload of it in BCT. The National Guard starts doing combatives before they even ship to BCT.
I'm sure his friend thought he meant ground grappling in which case he's laughing because that's "homoerotic".
DoomRulz thankyou for the information.
"Anytime" ;)
According to UFC on Facebook, Brock vs. Reem on Dec. 30th! Looking forward to this one!
Brock cannot stand with Overeem. Take him to the ground though and I think he's beatable.
Agreed. I think he should just rush him like a bull and hope for the best.
It would definately be a feather in the cap for Lesnar could he win though.
Bull-rushing is not a good idea. Doesn't matter who your opponent is, because if you run in guns-blazing and are caught with even a glancing strike, it can put you down. The last thing Lesnar wants is to eat one of Overeem's monster knees. As long as Brock makes a serious adjustment in his striking training, he will have a good chance to get Overeem to the ground where Lesnar will undoubtedly shine.
I'm more hyped up for this fight more so than Cain/JDS. I almost see this fight in the same vein. Both fights are quintessential striker vs. grappler fights, though Lesnar/Overeem is more so.
We know, he knows, everyone knows that he needs to work on his striking. But all of that training seems to fly out of the ring as soon as Brock is pressured or hit once. He cannot stand with him. His only bet is to get close enough to grab Reem and try to get him to the ground. You're right, though. Bull-rushing Reem is not a good idea.
I wish we had more details on who Brock is training with his striking. You said the training goes out of the ring: that's because he isn't training the way he should. The reason I keep harping on bringing in Duke Roufus is because he uses the Dutch method. You throw your fighter into a cage and have two guys coming at him at once. Believe me, it works because I've done it. You learn to control your impulses so you don't go crazy once you're hit.
Interesting. Are those guys trying to take your head off though?
Also, everyone responds differently to different types of training. What works for you might not work for him.
Diaz no show at UFC 137 presser today, Dana pulls him from fight, so now GSP vs Condit at UFC 137!!!
What!? Gotta' link?
http://www.youtube.com/ufc#p/l/ZNvFHpVXp2o (http://www.youtube.com/ufc#p/l/ZNvFHpVXp2o)
Thanks, I just noticed on FB. Diaz is an idiot!
Quote from: Aeus on Sep 07, 2011, 08:10:03 PM
Also, everyone responds differently to different types of training. What works for you might not work for him.
No reason why it wouldn't. I do the same thing he does when punched in the face. It's helped me overcome my fear so I don't see why it wouldn't work for him.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 07, 2011, 11:03:49 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Sep 07, 2011, 08:10:03 PM
Also, everyone responds differently to different types of training. What works for you might not work for him.
No reason why it wouldn't. I do the same thing he does when punched in the face. It's helped me overcome my fear so I don't see why it wouldn't work for him.
It's only logical the more you get hit in the face the more you'll get used to it and that leads to better reactions.
But yea, when Lesnar rushes in with overconfidence he loses (Mir 1 and Velasquez) and when he's more composed and methodical he wins (the rest of them).
Sometimes I like to do drills where you gotta defend for a minute. No attacking. So basically your opponent tries to back you into a corner and unleash hell on you, and you have to slip/guard the hits. You will never miss/block 100%. So you learn to block, slip and wear plenty of hits.
If Brock's jaw isn't as tough as it should be, it will develop over time. You can learn quickly how to punch, how to block, but it takes a lot longer for you to withstand your brain moving around and pressing against your skull.
Those are awesome drills. We do those in my savate class sometimes. if we have, say, 10 people, 5 line up along the edge of the ring and the other 5 face opposite them and just strike, strike, strike. the person against the ring has to just defend. cover up, bob, weave...it works pretty well. my head movement is definitely better now than it was a year ago.
I feel sorry for your brain. :'(
*sneers* don't you worry Chief. my head is harder than that helmet of yours.
Ha! Those punches you've been taking to the dome are already showing the effects of the beatings. Fight back, Doom!
And I think all that time the helmet is on your head has been cutting off the necessary circulation. Breathe Chief, breathe!
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 08, 2011, 05:47:36 PM
Ha! Those punches you've been taking to the dome are already showing the effects of the beatings. Fight back, Doom!
It's not about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit. And keep moving forward. Keep moving forward.
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Ha!
So instead of cutting Diaz, he's now fighting Penn...what do you guys think about?
I hope Penn f**ks him up, and on paper, he certainly can. Penn has better boxing and a better ground game.
Me too. Although I've been reading that Diaz has better cardio and will put Penn down in the latter rounds if they go the distance. Is that true?
It wouldn't surprise me. Penn isn't known for his gas tank and given that he's older and went back to WW because the weight was becoming harder to cut, it's not unlikely.
I hate Diaz, and while its hard to call Penn an underachiever, I still think he has enough left to deal with Diaz. Diaz is tough, but his utterly unlikeable.
Geez, Diaz put his hands on Penn at will!
I've never seen Penn get that bloodied up. Even St. Pierre didn't beat him up that badly. I really, really want to see GSP punch a hole in Diaz's face now.
Fight of the year!
Jon Jones vs Lyoto Machida
Jon Jones vs Lyoto Machida (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_shYg5GLGCo#ws)
My money is on Machida but I think it'll go 5 rounds. Jones isnt going to be able to take him to the ground and Machida has better striking. Plus Jones aint never really been hit hard so his chin is untested.
I don't think this will be fight of the year. I still haven't seen a fight better than Edgar and Maynard...now that was a fight!
Jones doesn't need to take him to the ground. His speed and striking is what sets him apart from the rest, oh and his reach...fuhgeddaboudit!
Shogun didn't have a problem finding Machida and neither will Jones. People are saying that Jones has never faced an opponent like Machida, well, Machida has never faced anyone like Jones.
Jones will make Machida look silly. Staying on the outside will do Machida no good due to Jones ungodly reach. I expect it to go a full five rounds, potentially.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 02, 2011, 05:49:00 PM
Jones will make Machida look silly.
Would you really feel safe betting on that?
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f**kin right..
You do know that's not really Ryu from Street Fighter, right?
Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 11, 2011, 03:03:17 AM
You do know that's not really Ryu from Street Fighter, right?
Whatchu talkin bout Willis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v17lMr0j2D8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v17lMr0j2D8#)
Quote from: Horhey on Nov 11, 2011, 01:00:44 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 02, 2011, 05:49:00 PM
Jones will make Machida look silly.
Would you really feel safe betting on that?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ef6bX-yXDjM/Tb-lJrDyWqI/AAAAAAAAL2M/C8-P2ff1WbA/s400/Lyoto-Machida-as-Ryu.jpg
f**kin right..
Yes I would. Machida likes to stay on the outside and against a guy with a reach advantage like that of Jones' it won't do him any good.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 12, 2011, 05:44:12 AM
Quote from: Horhey on Nov 11, 2011, 01:00:44 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 02, 2011, 05:49:00 PM
Jones will make Machida look silly.
Would you really feel safe betting on that?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ef6bX-yXDjM/Tb-lJrDyWqI/AAAAAAAAL2M/C8-P2ff1WbA/s400/Lyoto-Machida-as-Ryu.jpg
f**kin right..
Yes I would. Machida likes to stay on the outside and against a guy with a reach advantage like that of Jones' it won't do him any good.
Ok man, but reach advantage alone is not gonna win him the fight. Machida is one of the most skilled strikers in MMA. He eats wrestlers for breakfast which is an impressive achievement considering the fact that Frank says a wrestler will beat a striker 98/100 times. He and also, Cain Velasquez AND Junior Dos Santos all predict Brock Lesnar will beat Allistair Overeem btw. Lesnar also says that he was sick for 2 years and he kept lying to himself by saying that he felt fine, but he had the operation and now he feels like he did before he fought Shane Carwin.
Jones isn't just a pure wrestler like Evans and Ortiz that Machida has fought, whom I assume you are referring to. Jones has a karate background just like Machida hence why he's so unorthodox in his fighting style.
As for Brock, I heard ;D did you see the UFC 141 pre-fight presser?
Nah, but as I predicted, Junior Dos Santos just knocked out Cain Velasquez in the first round. And also as I said before the fight, Velasquez working on Dos Santos' legs would be a big mistake and it was.
f**k me, talk about upset! I fully expected Cain to dominate. Man, did he ever look slow tonight.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 13, 2011, 07:28:01 AM
f**k me, talk about upset! I fully expected Cain to dominate. Man, did he ever look slow tonight.
Don't feel bad bro, I thought the samething and lost 5 bucks on it :D
I just can't get over how bad Cain looked. That wasn't the Cain Velasquez who dismantled Brock Lesnar or smashed Cheick Kongo. He looked a bit doughy and there was a report of him not being 100% going into this fight; an injury incurred during training or something.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 13, 2011, 08:06:30 AM
I just can't get over how bad Cain looked. That wasn't the Cain Velasquez who dismantled Brock Lesnar or smashed Cheick Kongo. He looked a bit doughy and there was a report of him not being 100% going into this fight; an injury incurred during training or something.
Nah man, I knew this would happen. I have the Ultimate Heavyweights DVD and it has a bunch of Dos Santos' fights and he does the same to everyone. He's a Golden Glove boxer. If you really watch him, it was pretty clear how this fight would go if Cain couldnt control it with his wrestling. Cain was trying to take his time and work on his legs as he does to all his oponents but I just knew that wouldnt work on Dos Santos. People keep trying to strike with him and that's why he keeps winning. I did see Cain go for one takedown but no worky.
I won't disagree with you but I will maintain Cain looked a bit off. In any case, all praise to JDS for a wondrous performance. I still think Lesnar will give him hell and take his belt away from Junior.
You can tell Cain was mad slow when he threw that combo and when he couldn't take him down from that lame front kick, Cain just wasn't himself that night at all.
That wasn't the same beast that bitch slapped Brock, nope Cain didn't show up that night and I heard he suffered from an injury that threw him way off track in training.
Clicky. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/937095-ufc-on-fox-rumors-is-cain-velasquez-healthy-for-his-fight-with-jds) You know something's up when a fighter's head trainer says he isn't feeling well.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 13, 2011, 04:06:23 PM
I won't disagree with you but I will maintain Cain looked a bit off. In any case, all praise to JDS for a wondrous performance. I still think Lesnar will give him hell and take his belt away from Junior.
He's gotta take him to the ground and not try to prove anything. NO ONE would hold it against him for it, although if he knocked him out in the standup that would be huge. He's got the power. Just needs to connect with one good shot.
Quote from: Horhey on Nov 13, 2011, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 13, 2011, 04:06:23 PM
I won't disagree with you but I will maintain Cain looked a bit off. In any case, all praise to JDS for a wondrous performance. I still think Lesnar will give him hell and take his belt away from Junior.
He's gotta take him to the ground and not try to prove anything. NO ONE would hold it against him for it, although if he knocked him out in the standup that would be huge. He's got the power. Just needs to connect with one good shot.
That's one of my biggest problems with some fighter's egos. They think they can beat an opponent at their game instead of using what works/has worked for them in the past and they usually get their asses handed to them for their effort. I really have no sympathy when they do that.
Why do you think Guida lost to Hendo? Because he played to Hendo's strength. Had Guida taken the fight to the ground and worked his wrestling I think he would have won the decision.
Ok, I have no doubt now. I just went back and watched a bunch of Overeem's fights and now I see why Mir, Velasquez, and Dos Santos are so confident that Lesnar will beat him December 30th. If I were to go only by user comments on Youtube I would think Overeem is gonna destroy Brock. Wrong. Overeem is an excellent fighter but I think it's a safe bet Lesnar will beat him by TKO or submission in the second round. Im actually gonna put money it with some one at work. Aside from fighting styles, Overeem has his head so far up his ass he wont be able to Brock coming.
Overeem's biggest problem is his cardio and I would argue that Lesnar can (arguably) push a pace akin to Cain's if he really wants to. Just look at his fight with Heath Herring in '08 for proof. No way Overeem could handle a force like that.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 14, 2011, 05:07:05 AM
Overeem's biggest problem is his cardio and I would argue that Lesnar can (arguably) push a pace akin to Cain's if he really wants to. Just look at his fight with Heath Herring in '08 for proof. No way Overeem could handle a force like that.
He could barely handle Fabricio Werdum :P. He looked like a Frankenstein fighting him. He couldnt do anything to Werdum cause he was so focused on stopping his takedown. It's like he was afraid to punch him cause that would've made him more vulnerable for a takedown. Now that's with a much smaller/non wrestler garbage fighter like Werdum. Imagine how focused he'll be on his takedown defense with Brock. That's his weakness. He cant strike and stop takedowns at the same time.
And he doesn't like being struck in the face just as much as Lesnar does. Just watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZa6Fdfu8oY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZa6Fdfu8oY#)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 17, 2011, 04:00:49 PM
And he doesn't like being struck in the face just as much as Lesnar does. Just watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZa6Fdfu8oY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZa6Fdfu8oY#)
He already said he had the same problem as Lesnar in his early days but not anymore. He also said Lesnar will get used to it.
Let's just hope it's quick enough.
Anyway, focusing on this weekend. Shogun/Hendo should be epic. It's a fight worthy of PRIDE warriors though it's surprising when you consider that this didn't happen once before. Silva/Cung Le should be a walkthrough for Cung. If he loses IMO, it only means he's that bad and not that Silva is that good. If Silva loses, he MUST retire.
Reem is going to tear Lesnar apart, piece by piece! ;)
This weekends fight card is good, but I won't be watching it. I've been ordering at least 2 UFC fights a month on DirecTV® and my bill is way too high!
Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 18, 2011, 04:07:46 PM
Reem is going to tear Lesnar apart, piece by piece! ;)
50 bucks says he doesnt. Go back and watch his fights with a bunch of nobody's and you'll see what Im talking about. People are just looking at the numbers and not the details.
You go back and watch his fights.
$50...you're on!
Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 18, 2011, 06:47:31 PM
You go back and watch his fights.
$50...you're on!
I have and he's overrated and he's got his head way up his culo.
Use PayPal™ when sending me my money...or else...I'll be seeing you in the octagon!
Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 18, 2011, 07:04:15 PM
Use PayPal™ when sending me my money...or else...I'll be seeing you in the octagon!
Oh, you're serious? I already put 20 on it with a guy at work.
No need to worry about losing your money if you're sure Lesnar is going to win...right?
Nah man, I'm messing with you. 8)
Baraka Vs Kung Lao? Yes this fight is gonna be epic. Got my money on Lao though 8)
Hahaha, I've been saying for a while now Cung Le sounds so much like Kung Lao! I also expect to see Bowles hand Faber his ass on a silver platter. Faber is such an irritating person.
Fight of the year may have happened at UFC 139 !!!! Hendo vs Shogun!!!
Shogun got robbed, anyone who comes back from a beating like that to lay the smack down should have gotten the fight. Bullshit.
Cung Le... I haven't been this broken up seeing a fighter lose in a long time lol F--------K!
Shogun wasn't robbed. He took the last two rounds, that's it. But not taking anything away from him because that was Fight of the Year for sure. That redefined the meaning of a war.
Huge victory for Frank! The first to ever both KO and SUBMIT Big Nog!
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QuoteFrank Mir breaks Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira's arm to win at UFC 140
Frank Mir was the first man to ever knock out Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. At UFC 140 on Saturday night, he also became the first man to submit Nogueira.
Nogueira started the bout by landing short punches, then moving in for a takedown attempt. The two clinched, but it was Mir who got the takedown. Nogueira worked his way back to his feet, and the two continued to clinch against the fence.
The fight took a turn when Nogueira unloaded several strikes, knocking down Mir. It appeared that Mir was close to being finished when Nogueira rolled to try and get a submission. Instead, Mir got the submission, rolling into a Kimura and breaking Nogueira's arm. The fight was stopped at 3:38.
Mir, the one-time heavyweight champion, is on a three-fight win streak which includes a KO, submission and a decision. His record is 16-5. Nogueira's last bout was a thrilling knockout at UFC 134, but the loss gives him a record of 33-7-1.
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In other news, Jones defeats Machida by choke hold in the second round. :'(
Machida won the first round by rocking Jones with strikes. In the second round, Jones changed his gameplan and got the takedown, landed some elbows and then locked in a choke hold, putting Machida to sleep.
Jones' reach advantage wasnt enough to overcome Machida's superior striking skills so he used his superior grappling ability to get the victory.
It was
Jones subbing Machida came as no surprise to me, given how good he is. But like you both said, that sub of Nog came OUTTA NOWHERE. I was just as shocked as Rogan was!!!! I mean, KOing Nog is one thing, BUT FREAKING BREAKING HIS ARM!??!!
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I actually want to cry :'(
I admit, I'm not a huge fan of Lesnor's but we are from the same state so I like to cheer for him...he looked thin but also...like sick thin, lost a lot of muscle, flabby Swartzeneggerish.
The Diaz/Coccerne(sp?) fight was pretty good...for Diaz. Cocerne got a few good swipes but couldn't get much going. I did like how Nate gave him some respect there after the fight. Tough guy taking all those hits to the face :P
It's a shame to see him go out like that. But, love him or hate him, he's a warrior and he deserves all the credit and respect in the world.
Diaz/Cerrone was a bit shocking to me. Cerrone seemed very reluctant to engage.
I really hope brock doesn't go out like this !..not like this!!
Dude, he can't risk his health. As much I luv the guy and want to see him continue, he can't.
Fair play to the guy, that must have been one of the hardest things he's ever done.
Vul, you need to download the event and watch the fight.
I'd love to. Could I get it from the official site?
Doubt it. Just search, if you know what I mean ;)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 01, 2012, 03:13:27 PM
Dude, he can't risk his health. As much I luv the guy and want to see him continue, he can't.
I dont think that his Health is that big a problem as he himself said that he recovered fully!
I think he can return , Just needs to train harder for atleast a whole year, cut down some flab...
He can't lose size because that's his biggest advantage. That was a hard liver kick and considering that's where his surgery took place, it's a bad time for him to fight.
but muscle should replace his fat!
hope he heals soon and kicks reems ass!
On another note, Davis and Evans are fighting on the 28. I'm pulling for Davis on this one because he's younger and hungrier and frankly I'm sick of Evans bitching about not getting his shot. He could have waited for Shogun but like an idiot he took another fight.
I mean the guy ain't no joke...
I don't hate Evans but I'm sick of this stupid beef with Jones. He was crying for what, Jones rethinking surgery? Jesus man, way to read into things.
Davis has to take this fight to the mat and hold him there. His striking isn't as good as Rashad's and Rashad definitely has KO power so Phil needs to be wary. Phil is a great grinder and submission artist but he hasn't shown tremendous striking ability.
I like Davis, but Evans going to knock him out.
So much for that call, eh Chief?
I've taken Jiu-Jitsu and Judo classes. I've always been particularly good at submissions.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 29, 2012, 03:19:12 AM
So much for that call, eh Chief?
Chief is mad lol :D
Ya'll gotta give it up to Phil Davis for going five five minute rounds bro. Rashad wasn't able to do real damage to Phil, sure he tagged him here and there but no REAL damage, both fighters basically humped each for 5 rounds, big deal.
Phil will be back, he's shown he can go the distance, he just needs to sharpen up on his striking skills. Who thought Bisping got robbed from the Sonnen fight? Lord knows I'm a huge Sonnen fan, but still I think he got robbed.
I was a bit surprised yes by that. I guess Sonnen connected more in those 2 rounds despite being controlled more. The third round was all his thought, easily.
It's funny, Sonnen said "You're only as good as you're last fight." in the pre-fight clips. If that's true, he has no chance against Silva a second time.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Jan 29, 2012, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 29, 2012, 03:19:12 AM
So much for that call, eh Chief?
Chief is mad lol :D
Pissed! Haha...nah.
Davis did better than I expected. He took some good shots and still kept pressing forward.
As for Sonnen's performance, I wasn't impressed. He's more fun to watch when he does interviews.
Word, you can also tell that Rogan wasn't feelin Sonnen at all after the fight lol.
I don't think anyone was. Even I wasn't and I'm a big Sonnen fan. I fully expected him to drill right through Bisping. It's funny, Sonnen said "You're only as good as your last fight." If that's true, he won't do too well against Silva the second time around.
If he fights like that against Silva, the champ shouldn't have a problem taking him out in a couple.
And yeah, Rogan was annoyed. Haha
Rogan looked like he was about to choke Sonnen out lol.
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Badr Hari should go to MMA, but he is too scared. ;D
He KO'ed Overeem, what's there to be scared of?
UFC isn't bad but I prefer boxing
Boxing is boring and corrupt.
Perhaps you watch the wrong fighters. As for it being corrupt that may be but is UFC clean? I doubt entirely but it depends on your opinion
Want to talk about boring sports
I won't say the others are "bullshit" because so many people rag on MMA as being barbaric and too violent but I will agree that other sports I find boring. I just don't see them as real competition.
One of the biggest fights in UFC history is this Saturday:
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After the Stann fight I predicted he would beat Silva by arm triangle (sets up perfectly with his wrestling TDs) and I'm sticking with it. Sure the chances of Silva (BJJ Blackbelt) being caught in a sub is low but with all the news I've been hearing from coaches etc since the Stann fight that he has been working on that department and BJJ defense, it would not surprise me if his IQ in those departments has significantly improved since their last meeting.
If Silva is really this angry with Sonnen as it showed during the presser staredown, that could make things very interesting because fighting angry doesn't always make you better. Silva has always been a calculated striker and using his distance, if he decides to rush in with anger, he could get caught.
This fight could easily end in the 1st round because Silva is that good of a striker but I see a 3-4 round fight with Sonnen winning of course.
Interesting, was watching a vid of Sonnen's open workout yesterday and he was working on elbow attacks and using them to set up TDs and vice versa. Also did some Muay Thai clinch work with elbows and knees.
Not sure if he will use this in the fight, but could be an added element to throw at Silva instead of just boxing and wrestling.
Also I laughed at Seagal's comments yesterday during open workouts that he has taught Silva 3-4 moves in the stand up that they once thought were illegal but aren't...
Yeah, I'm also calling for an arm triangle if it's via submission for Sonnen. If you rewatch their first fight, Sonnen did at one point attempt one. I DOUBT it will happen because Silva is a much submission artist than Sonnen but I do expect Chael's defense to be up to par.
I don't think he will rush in with anger, but I wouldn't be surprised if he lets it get to him as the fight drags on, especially if Chael is able to control the fight like he did the first time. Silva's distance won't mean much IMO even in tomorrow's fight because Chael was able to close the distance easily the first time.
I think I mentioned this in my blog post but in case I didn't. If Silva doesn't end it in the 1st or 2nd round, he isn't going to win. There's no point in him dragging the fight out and the more he delays, the more time Sonnen will have to impose his game plan.
Ha, I would LOVE to see a clinch game between Silva and Sonnen. I think it would ultimately be a stalemate given Silva's muay thai and Sonnen's wrestling but if I had to choose, I give Sonnen a slight edge because I just think Greco-Roman guys are better at standup control in a clinch.
LOL, you have to link me to the Seagal comments :D
I'm really hoping this guy takes down Silva after all these years of nearly no defeat.
Why..? Just 'cause he wins all the time..?
I would argue he shouldn't have his legacy smeared by a wannabe like Chael...and Chael deserves to get his jaw broken anyway...
Needless to say but my money's on Silva... :)
By the way anyone that is angered by the things Chael says, lol, he wasn't even like this about 4 years ago. He is a very smart individual who comes up with the best trash talking material in the business. The thing is he is so good you never know when he is telling the truth or not because he says everything with a straight face. Hell he said on ESPN yesterday (24 hours before the fight) that he was exactly 20 pounds over weight; I'm still not sure if he was serious or not, that is how good he is. There is a reason behind all of him comments and we can see from this gif, it worked
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And it has nothing to do with Silva winning it is how he wins, hell I love Jon Jones because he finishes fights. Silva's competition over the years in the MW division has been lacking and there were fights (Maia) where he just danced around and didn't do anything the entire fight.
I'm sure it will never happen, but I'd love Bones vs Silva fight, just to see Bones demolish Silva at his own game: striking from distance. And one element Bones has that Sonnen has is striking.
QuoteBy the way anyone that is angered by the things Chael says, lol, he wasn't even like this about 4 years ago. He is a very smart individual who comes up with the best trash talking material in the business. The thing is he is so good you never know when he is telling the truth or not because he says everything with a straight face.
Granted...and there is nothing wrong with shit talking, I've endorsed it for years - it's a crucial part of the game...but there is no need to talk about a man's wife...it's disrespectful, unprofessional, and just classless...
QuoteAnd it has nothing to do with Silva winning it is how he wins
That's in response to the post directly above mine, wherein it's clearly stated Silva should lose because he's done nothing but win...which makes zero sense...
In regards to 'how' he wins - he's paid to
win fights, no matter how, and he does it without making juvenile comments about a guys wife... ;)
No, instead he uses his translator as a filter, when in reality he is probably saying something worse. If you want to speak Portuguese that is fine, but don't act like you can't answer questions in English (he spoke in full sentences at the weigh ins today).
Silva has finished his last three fights. Including one against Sonnen. The fights that gave him a bad name were Maia and Leites.
It is said he was insulted at the Maia selection because the guy was like ranked 9th mw at the time, but was the only one available to fight because everybody else higher was injured or booked. Leites collapsed like a spineless mollusk everytime Silva feinted in his direction. They guy wanted no part of Anderson's striking.
Silva wanted no part of either's ground game.
Silva does exactly what he is expected to do. He reminds me of Kobe Bryant. He carries himself with uber confidence (and why shouldn't he) and has a smug demeanor and eventually you want somebody to show him he's human.
That shoulder strike was down-right cheap. Strikes aren't allowed at the weigh-ins. Had that been anyone else, they would've lost some of their purse. I hope Sonnen beats this guy into the ground.
P.S. Did anyone else notice loudmouth Steven Seagal behind Silva?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 07, 2012, 04:58:02 AM
That shoulder strike was down-right cheap. Strikes aren't allowed at the weigh-ins. Had that been anyone else, they would've lost some of their purse. I hope Sonnen beats this guy into the ground.
P.S. Did anyone else notice loudmouth Steven Seagal behind Silva?
Yep, Seagal has been part of Silva's camp for a while now (since the Belfort fight). I laugh everytime he says he has showed Silva something new. In a interview on Thursday with Ariel Helwani, he said he has taught Silva 3-4 new moves they once thought were illegal but turns out they aren't... About the only thing he can teach Silva is how to slap people. Also lose some weight Seagal and maybe Stallone will let you be in the Expendables, lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8bygoiLryk&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8bygoiLryk&feature=player_embedded#)!
Quote from: ace3g on Jul 07, 2012, 07:01:53 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 07, 2012, 04:58:02 AM
That shoulder strike was down-right cheap. Strikes aren't allowed at the weigh-ins. Had that been anyone else, they would've lost some of their purse. I hope Sonnen beats this guy into the ground.
P.S. Did anyone else notice loudmouth Steven Seagal behind Silva?
Yep, Seagal has been part of Silva's camp for a while now (since the Belfort fight). I laugh everytime he says he has showed Silva something new. In a interview on Thursday with Ariel Helwani, he said he has taught Silva 3-4 new moves they once thought were illegal but turns out they aren't... About the only thing he can teach Silva is how to slap people. Also lose some weight Seagal and maybe Stallone will let you be in the Expendables, lol.
Yeah, I watched it earlier. I love how Ariel casually said "Master Seagal". You could tell he wasn't being serious :D
Whatever, after Silva loses tonight, Seagal can finally stop running his mouth about teaching Anderson his "deadly stuff" ::)
Congrats Silva.
Well this sucks, lol. Ah well.
I wonder where Silva goes from here.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 08, 2012, 05:46:24 AM
Well this sucks, lol. Ah well.
I wonder where Silva goes from here.
Hopefully back to Brazil.
I'm sure he will for a while anyway, but since he lives in Beverly Hills...
I'd like to see him fight Michael Bisping, just to watch Bisping be utterly destroyed and finally shut up about missing out on a title shot. Hector Lombard could be a legit contender I think.
I'd like to see a St. Pierre vs. Silva soon.
So do I, but I think GSP still has another fight or two after Condit before Dana starts making a serious push for it.
FFS...
I have been watching MMA for about 20 years now (saw the first UFC when I was a sophomore). I have to say I am losing interest. All the fighters I grew up with have retired, etc etc. But whats worse EVERYONE I want to win loses.
I take it you were rooting for Sonnen?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 08, 2012, 08:10:53 PM
I take it you were rooting for Sonnen?
Oh yeah, very much. I have no idea what he is going to do from here.
already?
Quote from: PHANTOM on Jul 09, 2012, 04:51:41 AMI wanted Sonnen to win so bad dude, I'm a huge Sonnen fan the guy is an amazing fighter and hilarious ;D
You and I both man. What did you think of Ortiz/Griffin III?
Quote from: PHANTOM on Jul 09, 2012, 04:51:41 AMHe doesn't mean any of those things he saids, he's just trolling and selling a fight lol. I just can't believe this guy fell on his ass and just sits there, is he insane? How the hell do you sit there when you have a monster standing above you like that? This isn't some grappling sparring match where you sit down and grab the dudes hands like "yeah I'm gonna get him in my guard or sweep him to the left using his momentum" :D
Hence proven by the burying of the hatchet after the fight was over. Chad Mendes, with whom Sonnen shares a manager, says that he's one of the nicest guys ever in reality so I believe it. And yes, I couldn't agree more about him just sitting there. I'm like, "Dude, the most dangerous striker in the world is standing in front of you. GET THE f**k BACK TO YOUR FEET!!!!!" And that spinning elbow was
so poorly timed...Sonnen was like a full foot away from Silva when he threw it!!!! DAFUQ
Quote from: PHANTOM on Jul 09, 2012, 04:51:41 AMI never understood why grapplers some times sit on their ass in class, I always captilized on them when they did that. They basically are handing you the top position (facepalm) Sonnen should have gotten right back up, he had plenty of time to do it. It's always the same, the guy you want to be champion just never happens, it's always the other annoying douche that becomes the champ. I'm tired of Silva's Mike Tyson Brazil voice, his pink shirts and his pink hat tipped to the side, his yellow bruce lee style tights and his cocky smirk look on his face, seriously it's like Flyod Mayweather can someone just please knock him the f--k out already?
I like Silva. I only want to see him lose because he's
too good. Sonnen really is Silva's kryptonite and almost got the job done the first time and made a stupid mistake in the second fight and lost, again. A third fight...well, I want to see it as a I write this but considering he's lost twice already, I don't think anyone is in a rush for it. Then again, who else can fight Silva as well as Sonnen could?
Why did he just sit there? Because butt-scooting is safer than trying to stand up from that distance. It's without questions. He simply didn't have a choice from the position he got himself into. It was a stupid mistake that was woefully capitalized on.
He didn't even try. He could have at least laid on his back and let Silva come into his guard or wait for Silva to let him up.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 09, 2012, 06:13:55 PM
He didn't even try. He could have at least laid on his back and let Silva come into his guard or wait for Silva to let him up.
He couldn't lay back,his back was basically against the fence. He spun, landed on his butt with less then a foot between him and the fence. he scooted back to try and make space and planted himself against the fence.
I'll have to rewatch it but I still think he could've scrambled back to his feet.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 09, 2012, 07:07:42 PM
I'll have to rewatch it but I still think he could've scrambled back to his feet.
Theres no way from how he landed and where he landed. He just didn't have the space. I bet a gif of it will pop up in a day or two.
Sweetness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofeV0XYbX9Y#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofeV0XYbX9Y#ws)
He's not getting that belt back. Jones will choke him out yet again and make him fall down like a sack of potatoes the first time.
It's worth a rematch.
Lyoto reached out and touched Bones before, but got caught in a choke out of no where, knowing him he's not going to fall for that shit twice.
Fighters can improve and come back stronger after a loss. But hey! Who knows, maybe Chael will go up weight and cook Bones medium rare 8)
As of now, there isn't a fighter who can beat Jones. This is his era. He's gotta' keep his game up though. If he gets stale and doesn't improve his style (because so many fighters are studying him) that's when he'll get beat.
Sonnen? :laugh:
Can't be beat? Thats until he takes a Shoryuken to the chin.
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Ryu, sure.
Machida, no.
Quote from: Master Chief on Aug 06, 2012, 10:27:41 PM
As of now, there isn't a fighter who can beat Jones. This is his era. He's gotta' keep his game up though. If he gets stale and doesn't improve his style (because so many fighters are studying him) that's when he'll get beat.
Sonnen? :laugh:
I want to hear that trash talk, if only that. You know Sonnen would have a field day with the DUI charge.
Watched Rhonda Rousey and Mesha Tate tonight,A friend of mine showed me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AAwoPCOxZ0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AAwoPCOxZ0#ws)
Rousey has to be on the juice,the pure bulk of her.
The armbar.
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But when she is on the Joe Rogan podcast she is hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkFQdKpoQnQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkFQdKpoQnQ#)
The main question is.Would you.....
Of course.
Quote from: Master Chief on Aug 06, 2012, 10:33:10 PM
Ryu, sure.
Machida, no.
Wouldn't say that so adamantly. Machida has done the best by far against Jones and he is a fighter who absolutely learns from his mistakes. In fact him (Jones) saying I don't want to fight him again because the ratings were bad stinks of some kind of fear.
As for the womens bout, I hope Rousey gets some humility beat into her tonight. She's been hanging around the Diaz brothers far too much. Her mouth has grown drastically while her IQ has fallen sharply.
The faith you have in Machida is the same kind of faith I have in Jones. May the the better man win.
I smell an H bomb coming lol jk for me personally I think Jones is going to pull this off easy.
I hope not, I am ravenous for him to lose.
I think it's safe to say Ronda Rousey is the new face of WMMA now. I didn't see the fight (yet) but apparently she really tore into Kaufman this past Saturday.
Rousey ended it quickly with a submission. Maybe one or two punches were thrown from both fighters.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Aug 19, 2012, 07:50:38 PM
I smell an H bomb coming lol jk for me personally I think Jones is going to pull this off easy.
Jones just needs to make sure that thing doesn't land. :o I think he'll be able to make Hendo tap.
Quote from: ScardyFox on Aug 19, 2012, 07:51:36 PM
I hope not, I am ravenous for him to lose.
Haha...what is it about Jones that you don't like?
I hate arrogance and I hate how fake he is. The latter was accented with his corner screaming at him to (basically) not act like a D-bag and get some fans. Personally, people who have that kind of attitude I would let chokes linger on just a bit longer if I caught them. I just don't like him as a person.
The guy's still a young kid. He'll learn humility eventually. Remember when he lost to Hammill? He didn't cry about it. He accepted it and moved on.
Hmm, perhaps you're right but it seems unlikely to me (at least). Still, even if I did like him I'd still want him to lose to Hendo. I'd love for him to go out of the sport with that last belt for his mantle.
I like Hendo but I have to agree with Jones when he said Hendo is a one-trick pony. The guy isn't exactly what you would call a well-rounded fighter, and certainly not a well-rounded striker at least.
Maybe but that pony has a hell of a kick and has been riding a pretty long time know with only a few bumps along the way.
I'd give Jones the edge because of his reach. Better not let Hendo get close though. There are a half a dozen guys more well rounded than Henderson that ate canvas when fighting Hendo. Including Fedor.
He's more of a two trick pony. He can wrestle.
Jones is a much better fighter than Hendo though. You'd be hard pressed to find a way to counter that argument. Hendo will be the first opponent Jones will face that can match his wrestling but given Jones reach, he could likely keep Hendo on the outside and pick him apart with shots.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 21, 2012, 12:22:39 AM
Jones is a much better fighter than Hendo though. You'd be hard pressed to find a way to counter that argument. Hendo will be the first opponent Jones will face that can match his wrestling but given Jones reach, he could likely keep Hendo on the outside and pick him apart with shots.
Is he a better fighter? In what way? Has more initial tools? Yes. Younger? Yes. More experience? Not even close. More knock out power? Not even close. More mental toughness? I would say no. More physical toughness. No.
Does this mean I think he is going to win? I won't say out of jinxing the outcome, lol. Every time I want a so and so fighter to win of late they lose. Well, cept Machida. Anyhoot, it's not hard pressed to counter that at all. Fighting is more about being younger, bigger and stronger. Its mental and experience amongst other things; Randy punctuated that not too long ago.
So you do think Jones is going to win. ;)
Quote from: Master Chief on Aug 21, 2012, 03:18:29 PM
So you do think Jones is going to win. ;)
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Is my curse lifted? I dare not choose!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogLV8mgBZSw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogLV8mgBZSw#ws)
Quote from: ScardyFox on Aug 21, 2012, 07:45:08 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 21, 2012, 12:22:39 AM
Jones is a much better fighter than Hendo though. You'd be hard pressed to find a way to counter that argument. Hendo will be the first opponent Jones will face that can match his wrestling but given Jones reach, he could likely keep Hendo on the outside and pick him apart with shots.
Is he a better fighter? In what way? Has more initial tools? Yes. Younger? Yes. More experience? Not even close. More knock out power? Not even close. More mental toughness? I would say no. More physical toughness. No.
Does this mean I think he is going to win? I won't say out of jinxing the outcome, lol. Every time I want a so and so fighter to win of late they lose. Well, cept Machida. Anyhoot, it's not hard pressed to counter that at all. Fighting is more about being younger, bigger and stronger. Its mental and experience amongst other things; Randy punctuated that not too long ago.
That's just it. Hendo has the experience but in his time as a professional fighter, he hasn't faced a guy like Jones in terms of Jones' physicality or fighting ability.
I'm anxious to see this fight take place on the ground. The clinch would certainly be fun to watch too given both of their respective wrestling backgrounds.
Experience is drastically important. Fighting is far more than skill set Vs skill set. No, he hasn't faced someone exactly like Jones. But he does have a far better pedigree in the people who has fought through the years and has never been knocked out (with his chin tested a hell of a lot more than Jones) or TKO'ed. Experience forges the fighter just as much as technical prowess if not - dare I say - more so.
As for the ground, from personal experience, wrestling with overly lanky or overly stocky people is friggen hellish.
This fight will definitely be a decision or a submission win for Jones and I have to agree that Hendo isn't going to be KOed. I don't see Hendo doing it because his footwork is very flat. I remember his fight against Bisping in particular who is a pretty skilled technical fighter and I think his footwork was better than Hendo's. He just happened to be moving in the wrong direction. I don't see Jones making the same mistake.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 22, 2012, 01:58:01 PM
This fight will definitely be a decision or a submission win for Jones and I have to agree that Hendo isn't going to be KOed. I don't see Hendo doing it because his footwork is very flat. I remember his fight against Bisping in particular who is a pretty skilled technical fighter and I think his footwork was better than Hendo's. He just happened to be moving in the wrong direction. I don't see Jones making the same mistake.
I really don't see what you see. I see a predator stalking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDNU_vafgDk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDNU_vafgDk#ws)
Yeah, he stalked Bisping throughout the fight.
Watching Pride best knock outs on Fuel right now. Bob Sapp is just too much.
Quote from: ScardyFox on Aug 22, 2012, 04:38:41 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 22, 2012, 01:58:01 PM
This fight will definitely be a decision or a submission win for Jones and I have to agree that Hendo isn't going to be KOed. I don't see Hendo doing it because his footwork is very flat. I remember his fight against Bisping in particular who is a pretty skilled technical fighter and I think his footwork was better than Hendo's. He just happened to be moving in the wrong direction. I don't see Jones making the same mistake.
I really don't see what you see. I see a predator stalking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDNU_vafgDk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDNU_vafgDk#ws)
I'd say for parts of Sonnen/Silva I, Sonnen was stalking Silva but Silva's overall footwork is better. That's what I'm getting at.
Oh I wouldn't argue with that one bit. I'm just not sure it will make a drastic difference yet. I feel like all this talking on my part is going to jinx things.
This just popped up in my youtube, I thought it was very ironic with what we were just talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbP-dqEb7Pc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbP-dqEb7Pc#ws)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Henderson is hurt and Jones declines a fight with Sonnen??? How the f**k can this guy have any fans? A champion declines a fight and causes a UFC to be canceled? Ef this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmAibRNvVwA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmAibRNvVwA#ws)
Bump.
Damn! Not sure how I feel about this at the moment. Does Sonnen even deserve a shot at another title? The dude talked his way to the top. Haha. Glad there is some free boxing title fights this weekend.
Machida is always ready.
Quote from: Aspie on Aug 23, 2012, 09:51:53 PM
Bump.
You're a gentlemen!
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Sonnen deserve a shot?
Easy no.
Does a standing champion decline a fight that dictates if a card will go or not? Absolutely, emphatically, NO. He effed up the whole event, he effed over the fans, he effed over his peers on the card. He likes to chirp about how business savvy he is - this was about as savvy as seeing a bear trap, walking over to it, and testing if it works by running over and diving on to it face first.
I agree.
Instead of Dana being disgusted with the decision, he should've just made it happen. There are plenty of 205ers to toss in there.
Where's my beer...
f**k it, Jon Jones is an MMA prima donna and I can't wait till someone beats his lily ass into the ground. He screwed everybody over with his egotistical bullshit; the fans, the undercard fighters, and the UFC.
no longer Bones vs Machida; crazy day for MMA
http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/8/24/3264645/jones-vs-belfort-to-headline-ufc-152-after-lyoto-machida-turns-down (http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/8/24/3264645/jones-vs-belfort-to-headline-ufc-152-after-lyoto-machida-turns-down)
Ef is going on in the MMA world!
I have no idea. I haven't even bothered to look at the UFC 152 fight card. Is stacked at least?
I also read Silva tried to save the card when he heard about what Jones did. What a dink Jon Prick Jones is.
Anyway, 152 is going to be a good card. Silva vs Jones and Stann Vs Bisbing. My two most hated fighters on the same card. IT BETTER BE A GOOD NIGHT!
Silva vs. Jones?
Quote from: Master Chief on Aug 24, 2012, 04:21:35 PM
Silva vs. Jones?
No, it wasn't for that. He was offering to be on the card but it was too late by then, it had been canceled.
Belfort...what a joke. He doesn't have a chance against Jones. He's always had a problem with larger opponents and unless he comes out guns blazing, he's not getting past Jones' reach.
Even Bisping has taken a shot Jones. He said quote, "Jones wouldn't fight Sonnen on eight days notice. I did...jus' saying".
Now that is truth.
HA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yDA3QSgFwU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yDA3QSgFwU#ws)
:laugh:
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Hahaha...Alistar is such a mutt... :laugh:
I'm so happy he lost, I can't stand him.
Word on the street is, Silva and St-Pierre is actually gonna happen..!
Oh man. Silva is going to destroy him. :-\ What weight are they supposed to meet at?
Are you any of you following TUF and did you see last night's knockout? Scary!
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 06, 2013, 07:47:12 PM
:laugh:
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*sigh* stupid idiot, what the f**k were you doing with your hands down, standing in front of a monster like Silva?!!?! I was so disappointed. Overeem should've destroyed him.
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 07, 2013, 03:04:02 AM
Are you any of you following TUF and did you see last night's knockout? Scary!
Not following it, but I saw articles about it plus the clip from the fight. I felt so sorry for Cella, but Hall should be proud. That kick was even better than Edson Barboza's spinning heel kick that KO'ed Terry Etim.
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 07, 2013, 03:04:02 AM
Are you any of you following TUF and did you see last night's knockout? Scary!
I thought I saw a man die in front of my eyes. Thats was horrible.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 07, 2013, 04:17:27 AM
Not following it, but I saw articles about it plus the clip from the fight. I felt so sorry for Cella, but Hall should be proud. That kick was even better than Edson Barboza's spinning heel kick that KO'ed Terry Etim.
Yep! Hall will definitely be getting the $25,000 KO of the season.
Quote from: ScardyFox on Feb 07, 2013, 07:09:52 AM
I thought I saw a man die in front of my eyes. Thats was horrible.
Yes it was. The way he was breathing even made it harder to watch. Glad he was able to stand on his own.
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 07, 2013, 03:04:02 AM
Oh man. Silva is going to destroy him. :-\ What weight are they supposed to meet at?
Are you any of you following TUF and did you see last night's knockout? Scary!
The weight hasn't been determined yet...I read (can't find the friggen article) that Silva is willing to drop, but St.-Pierre doesn't want to gain -- so limbo for now (but it'll probably be 175)...this same article mentioned that Silva will fight Jones as well, this year...that would be even better...
Haven't been watching TUF but I keep myself posted on all the goodies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjC2XUKBvJc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjC2XUKBvJc#ws)
For whoever hasn't seen it...damn...
Makes me cringe.
Dude, find that article. My google search keeps sending me to adult sites. ;D
Quote from: Gates on Feb 07, 2013, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 07, 2013, 03:04:02 AM
Oh man. Silva is going to destroy him. :-\ What weight are they supposed to meet at?
Are you any of you following TUF and did you see last night's knockout? Scary!
The weight hasn't been determined yet...I read (can't find the friggen article) that Silva is willing to drop, but St.-Pierre doesn't want to gain -- so limbo for now (but it'll probably be 175)...this same article mentioned that Silva will fight Jones as well, this year...that would be even better...
I want Silva/GSP. It's too soon for Jones/Silva because Jones still has to clean out his division.
Quote from: Gates on Feb 07, 2013, 05:47:47 PM
Haven't been watching TUF but I keep myself posted on all the goodies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjC2XUKBvJc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjC2XUKBvJc#ws)
For whoever hasn't seen it...damn...
Hearing the kick actually connect makes it even harder to watch. It sounds like Hall is literally taking his head off.
Speaking of vicious KO's, see:
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Haha!
Does anyone here think that GSP has a chance against Silva?
That is my favorite gif in the world now - I can't stand Bisping.
And yes, I think GSP does have a good chance. I would not be surprised if he won in the slightest way.
I'd like to think that too, but I can't see GSP getting Silva to the ground or getting close enough to even strike him. I believe Silva will punch and kick right through him.
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 08, 2013, 05:07:04 PM
I'd like to think that too, but I can't see GSP getting Silva to the ground or getting close enough to even strike him. I believe Silva will punch and kick right through him.
Strange because I see him taking him down just as well as Sonnen.
It's possible, but being as big as he is, GSP will not want those elbows hitting him at the rate Silva can throw them, even if he is on his back.
Condit was able to damage GSP in that manner so I can only speculate on what the Spider can do.
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 08, 2013, 05:15:50 PM
It's possible, but being as big as he is, GSP will not want those elbows hitting him at the rate Silva can throw them, even if he is on his back.
Condit was able to damage GSP in that manner so I can only speculate on what the Spider can do.
Yes, but that was against a GSP that had been out of the game for over a year. I cant very much see GSP taking him down in a dominating fashion with his explosiveness. GSP's BJJ is no joke either, proving that well against several people.
18 months of ring rust is a long time.
I just hope he doesn't bite off more than he can chew. I like the guy, but I don't think he's on Silva's level. Plus, he still has to get by Diaz! Haha
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 08, 2013, 04:22:42 PM
Haha!
Does anyone here think that GSP has a chance against Silva?
I do. In fact I would pick GSP ever-so slightly over Silva. The one chink everyone now knows Silva has in his armour is his wrestling. No one, IMO, is better at MMA wrestling than GSP and I see him taking Silva down and outworking him for 25 minutes.
As for Diaz, that'll be a cakewalk for GSP. Diaz has as much chance as Dan Hardy did.
Yeah, honestly I see GSP walking right through Diaz.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 08, 2013, 07:38:36 PM
I do. In fact I would pick GSP ever-so slightly over Silva. The one chink everyone now knows Silva has in his armour is his wrestling. No one, IMO, is better at MMA wrestling than GSP and I see him taking Silva down and outworking him for 25 minutes.
It's not because GSP is Canadian, is it? ;)
That'll be boring if they're grinding each other on the ground for 25 minutes. I want kicks, elbows, punches, and blood!
Quote from: ScardyFox on Feb 08, 2013, 07:53:02 PM
Yeah, honestly I see GSP walking right through Diaz.
I would love for GSP to KO Diaz.
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 08, 2013, 09:31:12 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 08, 2013, 07:38:36 PM
I do. In fact I would pick GSP ever-so slightly over Silva. The one chink everyone now knows Silva has in his armour is his wrestling. No one, IMO, is better at MMA wrestling than GSP and I see him taking Silva down and outworking him for 25 minutes.
It's not because GSP is Canadian, is it? ;)
That'll be boring if they're grinding each other on the ground for 25 minutes. I want kicks, elbows, punches, and blood!
I'm sure there will be all of that but don't think GSP is going to stand and strike with Silva purely for the sake of the fans. He'd be a blooming idiot to do that.
I'd rather see Jones fight silva to be honest.
Wait till Jones cleans out his division in the next year. Silva will still be around as he signed a 10-fight deal not too long ago.
I'm going for Chael for the win against Jones.
Why?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2013, 02:55:22 AM
Wait till Jones cleans out his division in the next year. Silva will still be around as he signed a 10-fight deal not too long ago.
10! I wonder if he'll make it through it. Who else is left in his weight class?
Because it would be the ultimate Troll move in MMA so I want it to happen badly.
:laugh:
It's not going to happen.
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Went to my first televised fight on Friday, the Showdown fights in Orem. My friend got knocked out. :(
Did your friend put up a good fight at least?
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 11, 2013, 03:51:15 PM
:laugh:
It's not going to happen.
Chael will at least fight though. I'm starting to find Jones has an ability to impose an Anderson Silva-like aura upon his opponents whenever he fights meaning his opponents are always very tentative and wait for him to strike first. Remember the Rashad fight?
I agree with that, but in regards to Sonnen, sure, he'll try and fight. However, I believe Jones will make short work of him.
Jones isn't going to win - this is Troll Sonnens fight.
Haha! I can see into your heart and it's telling us that you truly believe Jones will win. ;)
Wager?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWG_Uf5fyuo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWG_Uf5fyuo#ws)
Love him or hate him, it's hard to disagree with Uncle Chael here.
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 11, 2013, 04:34:25 PM
Did your friend put up a good fight at least?
He was dominating the whole time until his opponent caught him in a tricky spot and finished him with a ground n' pound.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/859056_487924031263675_1667070427_o.jpg)
He'll learn from it.
UFC 160 (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/UFC-160-Gets-Cain-VelasquezAntonio-Silva-Rematch-Alistair-OvereemJunior-Dos-Santos-50011)
Overeem, word of advice: you drop your hands against JDS and he will literally rip your head from your shoulders so fast it'll make Big Foot wonder how you ever made it to the cage.
:laugh: Exactly what I was thinking!
How about the rematch...will Bigfoot defeat the champ? I think Cain is you going to do the same thing he did to him last time.
Oh yeah, this is entirely mismatched. Granted this is the first legitimate title shot that a contender who has earned it is finally getting, as opposed to someone receiving a shot merely due to trash talk, but let's face facts. Big Foot's limited fighting prowess will be his downfall yet again against Velasquez.
It'll be The Cainsaw Massacre, Part II.
Haha that was a good one.
Did anyone catch UFC Primetime: Rousey vs. Carmouche? Part 1 was alright, even if it was a wankfest for Rousey and her PR team.
Damn, missed a whole bunch...
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 08, 2013, 12:38:07 AM
Makes me cringe.
Dude, find that article. My google search keeps sending me to adult sites. ;D
A bit late, but give me a few hours...I'll get my brother on it (he's the real MMA guru, lulz), he'll find something...
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 08, 2013, 12:38:07 AM
Makes me cringe.
Dude, find that article. My google search keeps sending me to adult sites. ;D
This isn't the article Gates was describing I'm sure since it was published on Monday but tells the same thing effectively. (http://bleacherreport.com/tb/d9JW4?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 21, 2013, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 08, 2013, 12:38:07 AM
Makes me cringe.
Dude, find that article. My google search keeps sending me to adult sites. ;D
This isn't the article Gates was describing I'm sure since it was published on Monday but tells the same thing effectively. (http://bleacherreport.com/tb/d9JW4?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma)
Yup, there you go... :)
Honestly, I'd rather see Silva/Jones...a fight with St. Pierre is just ugly all around...I mean, Silva walks around at 190-200lbs., why should he cut that much and St. Poo just gets to ride it out..?
Don't smell right, to me...
Well if he's willing to do it what's there to be upset about?
Looks like Silva really wants this if he's willing to drop to 170. I wonder how this will, if at all, hinder his fighting.
He seems to be able to adapt to any situation pretty easily so if he thinks he can successfully cut the weight I think he'll be alright. Either way, I'd still pick GSP over Silva.
Also, Silva/Weidman is reportedly in the works now. Not sure if this is a good thing as I still believe Weidman is a few fights shy of Silva but there you go.
And I read this yesterday, total shocker: Jon Fitch and 15 other fighters cut from the roster. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1537047-jon-fitch-released-from-the-ufc-along-with-15-other-fighters?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma)
I was under the impression that Silva/Weidman was a done deal.
As for the cuts, although I like Finch, Mills, and a few others, they weren't able to produce wins so it was only a matter of time.
You mean "Fitch" ;)
Fitch being cut doesn't make any sense. Sure he's isn't that exciting but the guy has been around for a long time and always plays ball.
Haha autocorrected!
Gotta' make room, I guess. If White continues to keep loading the divisions like he's doing, he'll probably cut fighters after a single loss(depending on how the perform I'd imagine).
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 21, 2013, 06:32:24 PM
Well if he's willing to do it what's there to be upset about?
Not so much upset, but a bit disappointed for now...Georges is a champ and I'd expect him to want a fair fight...at least meet the dude at 175...shit, the five pounds may even add to his ground game...
He may still do it though since its not really official anyway...I hope he surprises me (if the fight ever happens)...
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 22, 2013, 12:27:38 AM
Haha autocorrected!
Gotta' make room, I guess. If White continues to keep loading the divisions like he's doing, he'll probably cut fighters after a single loss(depending on how the perform I'd imagine).
http://www.mmamania.com/2013/2/20/4010486/dan-hardy-ufc-cut-released-himself-before-jon-fitch-mma (http://www.mmamania.com/2013/2/20/4010486/dan-hardy-ufc-cut-released-himself-before-jon-fitch-mma)
Speaks to what you're describing, I think.
Words right form White himself on why Fitch was cut. (http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/2/21/4015644/dana-white-explains-why-he-released-jon-fitch) And,
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/545702_10151302471523388_903725907_n.jpg)
I'm very pleased with UFC 157!
Rousey did not want to get choked out. :)
Lawler kicked ass!
Bermudez and Grice...great fight!
Faber went back to his old ways and ended it with a great submission!
Henderson and Machida/Shaub and Johnson = disappointing.
Rousey is one badass female...Cyborg rematch plz..!
Lawler <3
Hendo, I think its over for him... :-\
EDIT: Forget that rematch comment, I had a brainfart... ::)
Man, I wanted Carmouche to win soooooo badly. But, credit to Rousey for surviving that neck crank because a lesser person would have literally, died. That was the sort of technique that would break someone's neck.
Lawler <3 indeed! It's always fun watching Koscheck be beaten up. If he loses again, he'll be cut for sure. I can't say I'd miss the guy.
I wasn't disappointed with the co-main event because it was what I expected. Hendo played a smart game against Machida and didn't rush in looking for a knockout. Wanted Hendo to win but Machida is just a better fighter.
I think Cyborg would destroy her personally. I think a in shape non rusty Carano would do the same.
But some of my judgment might be skewed from my dislike of her.
Cyborg would kill her. Did you see the way she rushed in against Carmouche? Cyborg would knock her head off with a right cross if she did that to her.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 25, 2013, 07:10:55 PM
Cyborg would kill her. Did you see the way she rushed in against Carmouche? Cyborg would knock her head off with a right cross if she did that to her.
Exactly
. Exactly, mi amigo.
Yet another Rousey armbar, this reminds me of an old Bruce Lee quote "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
Cyborg is a different beast entirely, in a fight bewteen the two(not going to happen, at least not for a long time if Tito has anything to say about it) I think the advantage would go to whover starts the momentum first. If Rousey eats a few leg kicks and punches coming in on Cyborg I don't see the night ending well for Dana... However if Cyborg ends up on her back I believe she would be a fish out of water and Rousey would be a shark moving in on the struggling fish.
On another note, does anyone else here use MMA junkie for news?
I don't agree, Cyborg has top notch BJJ.
And I prefer MMAweekly :)
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 25, 2013, 09:18:26 PM
Yet another Rousey armbar, this reminds me of an old Bruce Lee quote "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
Yes! Perfect analogy my man.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 25, 2013, 09:18:26 PM
Cyborg is a different beast entirely, in a fight bewteen the two(not going to happen, at least not for a long time if Tito has anything to say about it) I think the advantage would go to whover starts the momentum first. If Rousey eats a few leg kicks and punches coming in on Cyborg I don't see the night ending well for Dana... However if Cyborg ends up on her back I believe she would be a fish out of water and Rousey would be a shark moving in on the struggling fish.
I love how you said, "ending well for Dana" :D that just highlights how important Rousey is to him and WMMA in general.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 25, 2013, 09:18:26 PM
On another note, does anyone else here use MMA junkie for news?
I used to. Now I rely solely on MMAFighting and Team Stream on my iPhone.
Looks like Nick Diaz is close to losing his title shot. Anyone here think he has a chance against St. Pierre anyways?
I want to see Diaz take a beating, badly. He's always had a weakness against wrestlers so personally I don't think he has a chance in hell.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 26, 2013, 05:16:42 PM
Looks like Nick Diaz is close to losing his title shot. Anyone here think he has a chance against St. Pierre anyways?
GSP will destroy him.
Yeah thats what it is looking like. I don't see a scenario where Nick stuffs GSP's takedowns, but I think he will makie it to the decision as I don't see GSP working too hard for the finish. Not a knock on St. Pierre I just think that he knows finishing Nick will be easier said than done.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 26, 2013, 05:16:42 PM
Looks like Nick Diaz is close to losing his title shot. Anyone here think he has a chance against St. Pierre anyways?
I do... :)
He's the best suited to fight him...wanna stand..? He'll outstrike...wanna lay on him..? He'll submit...Diaz hasn't had trouble with a wrestler since 2006 or in that ballpark (granted, he hasn't fought a 'great' wrestler since then, but hasn't lost to one either)...
Is he an unprofessional piece of shit..? Yes...but as far as a fight match-up w/Georges goes, he is perfect...
But what bullshit did Diaz do now..? I haven't checked out my sites...
From what I gathered he was cruising around Stockton while Dana had a film crew at his gym. So Dana has shortened his leash slightly.
Here is the link
http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/02/dana-white-nick-diaz-close-to-losing-ufc-158-fight-with-georges-st-pierre (http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/02/dana-white-nick-diaz-close-to-losing-ufc-158-fight-with-georges-st-pierre)
Thanks, man...Nick'll never learn...
Quote from: Gates on Feb 26, 2013, 06:02:50 PM
(granted, he hasn't fought a 'great' wrestler since then, but hasn't lost to one either)...
Thats the whole thing. When he goes up against GSP class, he will be muted. Look what happened with Nate when he fought Benson? He was rag dolled. There is a strong reason - as to their shared fighting style - why one would expect the same. He will never defend the take down against GSP, probably the best take down artist in every division, never mind 170.
GSP has an advantage in every physical category (strength, speed, explosiveness and comparable stamina) juxtaposition with excellent reactive Jiu Jitsu, this is pretty much a no sale to me for Diaz. A person like him you can't count out of course but I just can't see how he wins. He pulls the hands up "come on" taunt he'll get taken down so fast his head will spin
As for what he has done.
Dana speaks about Diaz stuff at 7:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMDrm8UGTn8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMDrm8UGTn8#ws)
Haha. Send him greyhound!
Diaz bros are a disgrace to the sport...attitude wise.
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 26, 2013, 06:27:50 PM
Haha. Send him greyhound!
Diaz bros are a disgrace to the sport...attitude wise.
lol, nice, greyhound. :)
Yeah, thats in large part why I can't stand either of them but Nick especially. I just don't like them as people, so much so I can't even respect them as fighters. I can't stand Bisping but at least I respect him as a fighter. There is a difference that the Niaz crew accents for me personally woefully well.
Damn, Dana looked really pissed when Ariel asked him about Nick. Lol@"Balls the size of this f**king stage."
I'll be honest that "Rondo Rousey vs. Brock Lesnar" in the headline there surprised the hell out of me till I watched it. For half a second I thought he was describing a potential fight, LOL
But yeah. More media attention I can believe but is she drawing more numbers? That remains to be seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOAvu2VqAHs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOAvu2VqAHs#ws)
:D :D :D
Hey, he broke Sean Connery's wrist. That is as legit a fighter as they come.
Segal is a funny thing to crack... the thing is if Lyoto and Silva are thanking him for teaching him "the" kick that ended the matches (we all know about I assume) there must be something to it... some... thing...
Dunno, but if they're publicly thanking him...
again, dunno...
They likely signed an agreement of some sort, agreeing to publicly acknowledge Seagal in some aspect. You're telling me guys like Silva and Machida couldn't kick like they did before he came into the picture? If that's true then the coaches they had prior to Seagal were complete f**king idiots.
Bas Rutten said it best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70VCO062cUw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70VCO062cUw#)
I think you're reading into it too much. Signing an agreement? Why sign anything if the guy had nothing to offer in the first place? It's not to say they couldn't kick like that but I have never seen a stepping front kick before in MMA till Segal suggested they add it to their arsenal, have you?
Dunno, again I am not accolading the guy but obviously they had him come in for a reason. And is it sheer coincidence the first time we see those kicks (and on top of that landing KO's with them) is after he "trains" with them. Seems a stretch to say that.
I'm not 100% dismissive I guess. But I certainly don't think he is the guru he implies - more like an anomaly. An amusing one.
He could have helped them refine the technique, kinda like how Rogan tried to help GSP with the side kick.
Quote from: ScardyFox on Feb 27, 2013, 08:51:15 AM
I think you're reading into it too much. Signing an agreement? Why sign anything if the guy had nothing to offer in the first place? It's not to say they couldn't kick like that but I have never seen a stepping front kick before in MMA till Segal suggested they add it to their arsenal, have you?
Dunno, again I am not accolading the guy but obviously they had him come in for a reason. And is it sheer coincidence the first time we see those kicks (and on top of that landing KO's with them) is after he "trains" with them. Seems a stretch to say that.
I'm not 100% dismissive I guess. But I certainly don't think he is the guru he implies - more like an anomaly. An amusing one.
It was always part of their arsenal, given their level of training. Machida especially, given he's a karate black belt. We have seen those types of kicks before, we've just never seen people knocked out with them in professional MMA as far as I know.
I don't believe he taught them anything because he's an aikido guy. Aikido has nothing to do with striking.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2013, 09:25:08 AM
It was always part of their arsenal, given their level of training.
Yet never seen till he started to go over it and tweak it with them. Again, with the people who used it directly thanking him.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2013, 09:25:08 AMWe have seen those types of kicks before, we've just never seen people knocked out with them in professional MMA as far as I know.
A tiny handful of times with no result until now - again directly accredited by the fighters themselves to him.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2013, 09:25:08 AMI don't believe he taught them anything because he's an aikido guy. Aikido has nothing to do with striking.
He was a Karate guy first for many years. Again, to me it stops with the fighters directly sighting him, thanking him and pulling him into training sessions. Their word is more prevalent and weighty then anyones speculation, to me.
I feel like I am dirtying myself, you, and all of MMA arguing this. :(
^^^Yup, totally are..! :P
Quote from: ScardyFox on Feb 26, 2013, 06:20:24 PM
Look what happened with Nate when he fought Benson? He was rag dolled. There is a strong reason - as to their shared fighting style - why one would expect the same.
Definitely, but experience is an x-factor that can't be measured, and I think we'd both agree, Nick has more of it...not to mention comparisons between the caliber of fighters each have fought, we could go on for days...
QuoteHe will never defend the take down against GSP, probably the best take down artist in every division, never mind 170.
Again, I agree...but I don't think Nick will defend against it, rather, he'll encourage it...the guy is incredibly dangerous off his back...adding to this, GSP hasn't laid on a lanky Cesar Gracie guy, like ever...I feel this is where the fight will be decided...how capable is Georges of defending against those long arms and legs trying to wrap around his neck and arms..? Hopefully, we'll get to find out... :)
Bottom line, if I'm not fond of the favorite (in this case I'm not) I'll always pick the underdog (even though I can't stand him either)...cash is made on underdogs, baby...
The degenerate in me senses a forum wager, you down..? 8)
This is assuming the idiot that is Nick Diaz isn't pulled from the card :P
You want some action too, Doom..? 8)
Heh, sorry bro but I'm not a gambling man.
I actually kind of want this fight to go five rounds. Heck seeing GSP out-jab Diaz the entire time would be hilarious just so I can listen to Nick cry about it afterwards.
He'll retire just like he did after losing to Condit.
^^^Another taker..? 8)
Haha, you bet on fighters that you don't even like. Gettin' that money! 8)
I'm down.
So if you were to create the ultimate fighting machine, how would you construct it?
1. The accuracy of Anderson Silva
2. The boxing of Junior dos Santos
3. The wrestling of GSP
4. The strength, power, and explosiveness of Brock Lesnar
5. The Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu of Damian Maia
6. The conditioning of Cain Velasquez
7. The reach of Jon Jones
8. The unorthodox strikes of Lyoto Machida
Creativity of Jones as well.
+
Dan Henderson's chin
The ability to blend strikes and takedowns like GSP
Anderson Silva's striking defence
The conditioning of Cain Velasquez
The mental toughness(is that the right word?) of Frankie Edgar
Shane Carwin's punching power
And Cro Cop's kicking power
You have yourself a one man army right here.
+
The mouth of Chael.
And the bother Diaz attitude...fuggedaboutit!
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 27, 2013, 09:29:41 PM
And the bother Diaz attitude...fuggedaboutit!
So, the Ultimate mixed martial artist will be a stoner. Sweet :D
And a guy who regularly risks being cut from the company that employs him.
Silva's striking, GSP's wrestling, Junior's weight/build = unstoppable
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 27, 2013, 06:10:28 PM
Haha, you bet on fighters that you don't even like. Gettin' that money! 8)
I'm down.
Money in the BANK..! :P
Dude, you need cardio in that equation as well and dare I say it, your boy Junior doesn't quite have that.
Well thats not entirly accurate, Dos Santos actually has some pretty good cardio. Not on the level of Velasquez but still better then the vast majority of heavyweights.
Yeah, it's alright but he does gas. Remember his fight against Nelson?
Speaking of which is he even still fighting...
He recently knocked out Mitrione and I heard rumors of a Kongo fight nothing other then that.
Yeah, I just looked him up and he's fighting Kongo at UFC 159. He seems to have fallen off the radar. I just assumed he was on a layoff.
Nelson is one tough SOB, but was one of the worst coaches on the TUF series.
Quote from: Gates on Feb 28, 2013, 12:42:53 AM
Money in the BANK..! :P
I accept Visa/MC/PayPal. 8)
What do you guys think of WMMA? Is it a viable option to bring in new fans or is it simply a niche thing that will reach full mainstream acceptance?
Personally I believe it's the former. It's something fresh and exciting and while the talent pool is shallow, it will help further grow the sport due it encouraging young women to become involved in martial arts training.
I feel like I've been watching the women for years, so it doesn't really hit me like that...but I supoose it will bring in some new fans now that UFC is finally including it, and that's always a positive...
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 28, 2013, 02:41:58 PM
I accept Visa/MC/PayPal. 8)
Paypal it is..!
I guess we'll go over the details when fight night gets closer 'cause it may not even happen...friggen Nick... ::)
A lot of people, fans and pundits alike, were claiming that WMMA would die instantly had Liz won last weekend. I'm not sure I agree. Granted Rousey is the new face of WMMA like Carano was prior to her going into movies. Since Rousey won, everyone pretty much threw up their hands and said, "Told you so". At least if Carmouche had won it would have severely shook things up.
One of the main reasons why I enjoy the women fighters is because they're feisty! I would definitely like to see more women fighting in the UFC. The last PPV might've secured them a spot. Only time will tell.
Quote from: Gates on Feb 28, 2013, 05:43:15 PM
Paypal it is..!
I guess we'll go over the details when fight night gets closer 'cause it may not even happen...friggen Nick... ::)
Haha you got it!
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 28, 2013, 06:00:06 PM
One of the main reasons why I enjoy the women fighters is because they're feisty! I would definitely like to see more women fighting in the UFC. The last PPV might've secured them a spot. Only time will tell.
I'm anxious for Cyborg's eventual UFC leap. People can decry her all they like but she will dominate like Anderson Silva.
Not so sure it will happen...Dana and Evangelista have history, and it didn't end well...
Hope they can get past it and give the fans what they want...
They will. Money talks and Cyborg is openly campaigning for it. I'm sure most fans want to see it as well.
It'd be great...didn't she just sign a contract with Invicta..? She's gonna have to honor that first...
Which is odd, because her initial UFC offering included a provision to fight in Invicta FC at the same time. f**king Tito screwed it all up.
Thought she asked to be released from her UFC contract. ???
Because Ortiz advised her to. The original contract was described as,
Quote"So we were going to sign her to a contract and we were going to have her fight in Invicta, which means we pay all the bills for her to fight in Invicta," said White. "It would be under a UFC contract with all the perks and benefits of being a UFC fighter and would fight in Invicta. So instead of doing that they chose to not do that and fight in Invicta. If you can make logic out of that whole f—king situation, you're a better man than I am."
She's an idiot for refusing that.
Damn...
Wow, makes Tito look like an even bigger idiot than the porn stache. :laugh: On a side note I am happy to see women given the opportunity to hone their craft in the octagon. With or without Ronda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM_Wnq4-dm0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM_Wnq4-dm0#ws)
And now he can his KO of Brian Stann to that. I'm glad he won but really, what's the point? The guy is fighting boredom at this point in his life.
A great fight to top off a meh card in Japan. Lombard looks like a dud at this point, I wonder what would happen if he goes back to belletor.
Well at least now he knows that he's dealing with topnotch talent and that he's not going to plow through UFC fighters like he did in the other orginization.
He should probably drop to a lower weight.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 03, 2013, 04:14:20 PM
And now he can his KO of Brian Stann to that. I'm glad he won but really, what's the point? The guy is fighting boredom at this point in his life.
I wanted Stann to win. It was a great first round with tons of action with both of them nearly getting KO'd, more so Silva.
Mark Hunt demolished Struve!
Diego with a win.
Not a bad fight card, especially it being free.
Diego should have lost. Buuuut whatever.
I was surprised as well.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fl2.yimg.com%2Fbt%2Fapi%2Fres%2F1.2%2FWcgKzaN6GuWfhdYPtJTOfg--%2FYXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fmedia.zenfs.com%2Fen%2Fblogs%2Fsptusmmaexperts%2F162989559.jpg&hash=b8139861150396335483a96be2797969bd196b7a)
Broken jaw.
Yeah, he's got a lot of weight to put behind his punch. I love how he walks off knowing he's got the KO.
Me too, but when when Herb Dean didn't immediately end the match after that punch, I was wondering if he wanted Hunt to kill Struve. Ha
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 04, 2013, 10:03:31 PM
Me too, but when when Herb Dean didn't immediately end the match after that punch, I was wondering if he wanted Hunt to kill Struve. Ha
LOL!
Wandy <333
And I wouldn't have minded if Stann won either, I like both, but Waaandy -- how can someone not like Wandy..? :)
Quote from: Gates on Mar 05, 2013, 05:16:44 PM
Wandy <333
And I wouldn't have minded if Stann won either, I like both, but Waaandy -- how can someone not like Wandy..? :)
I use to hate him, till I got to know him (basically).
On another note, nice little interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVYKLzjYqpE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVYKLzjYqpE#ws)
Thanks for posting.
Ben Henderson is not ready for GSP and I'm glad it's not going to happen any time soon.
Aldo better not take Pettis for granted because he'll get KO'd if he does. I actually wanted Pettis to stay at 155 so he can go get the belt back from Henderson.
Good stuff happening in the UFC.
I don't know about "good stuff". Let's face it, fights are still being booked based on who has the loudest mouth, not who has legitimately earned a shot and there's a very broken system when it comes to cutting fighters. Matt Riddle said it best in light of his recent release,
Quote"Look at guys like Dave Herman. Three fight losing streak, gets knocked out like three times in a row and fails two drug tests for weed and he is still in the UFC. I don't take anything from Herman, I bet he is a great guy, but, I don't know, I think that is very hypocritical and those are politics right there, that's not good business. That's guys getting together having a little pow-wow and saying, 'Let's get rid of Riddle. He's fighting more conservative, he's going out there for wins and he's fighting more educated and I would rather hire a couple of guys from Australia or the U.K. that just brawl and pay them half as much.' I kind of knew. I was kind of getting paid more, everything was coming into play, I was hitting my stride and I think they were just looking for a way to get rid of me. What I see happening is a year or two from now, the UFC will call me back after I've won five or six fights and I will probably, at that time, probably say no because I really don't like the direction they are taking the company. They are firing high-level talent so they can have lower-level talent to just scrap. They would rather have a brawl than a good technical fight and I think that is going to be their downfall because the fans are getting more educated and they are getting smarter and they don't want to see a slugfest and two retarded guys with brain damage bleeding everywhere."
That was a bad read. :P he would not say no to a fat check! ;)
I could care less of what's going on behind the scenes. There are some good fights lined up and this is good to me.
This is Rome and the fighters are my gladiators. I want to be entertained and so far so good!
But what does that entertainment mean, exactly? Are you content with watching proper MMA fights or would you rather mindless slug fests designed for mass appeal? I think Riddle is right on the button with this one.
I have to agree for the most part.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 06, 2013, 03:59:32 AM
But what does that entertainment mean, exactly? Are you content with watching proper MMA fights or would you rather mindless slug fests designed for mass appeal? I think Riddle is right on the button with this one.
Both, actually. I enjoy two jiu-jitsu experts are trying their hardest to submit their opponents and I also enjoy when two strikers punch out their differences.
For example, the fight with Silva and Stann, did you expect anything less? Or when Faber and other wrestling experts step in the ring, I expect someone to be choked out. This is what I like and this is what the UFC has been giving us.
Doom, I understand where you're coming from and your concern for the UFC and where it's heading, but what is going on behind the scenes does me no good to even think about.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 06, 2013, 04:17:54 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 06, 2013, 03:59:32 AM
But what does that entertainment mean, exactly? Are you content with watching proper MMA fights or would you rather mindless slug fests designed for mass appeal? I think Riddle is right on the button with this one.
Both, actually. I enjoy two jiu-jitsu experts are trying their hardest to submit their opponents and I also enjoy when two strikers punch out their differences.
For example, the fight with Silva and Stann, did you expect anything less? Or when Faber and other wrestling experts step in the ring, I expect someone to be choked out. This is what I like and this is what the UFC has been giving us.
Silva and Stann was made clearly for just that reason and I understand that. There are fights put together that are tailored made so that (ideally) a certain type of action will play out. My concern though is that a lot of UFC fans (not specific to any one nationality) are very ignorant of the sport's intricacies and that's why whenever a fight ends up on the ground and stays there for more than 30 seconds, or two fighters decide to work in a clinch for a good period of time, you hear an overwhelming chorus of "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!" because those same fans have very little patience. What really annoys me are referees who break up fights due to a lack of action.
Granted there are times when this needed but these days I feel it's overdone.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 06, 2013, 04:17:54 PM
Doom, I understand where you're coming from and your concern for the UFC and where it's heading, but what is going on behind the scenes does me no good to even think about.
Lmao, I love this.
*Chief pats Doom on the head* "Come on now my son, don't you worry your pretty little head about those big ole fighters and just enjoy it."
;)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 06, 2013, 05:11:54 PM
Silva and Stann was made clearly for just that reason and I understand that. There are fights put together that are tailored made so that (ideally) a certain type of action will play out. My concern though is that a lot of UFC fans (not specific to any one nationality) are very ignorant of the sport's intricacies and that's why whenever a fight ends up on the ground and stays there for more than 30 seconds, or two fighters decide to work in a clinch for a good period of time, you hear an overwhelming chorus of "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!" because those same fans have very little patience. What really annoys me are referees who break up fights due to a lack of action. Granted there are times when this needed but these days I feel it's overdone.
Ah, so your problem is with the fans, those bloodthirsty fans!
The UFC was built on blood and broken bones and one shouldn't be upset with the fans for wanting to see that. The fighters have limited time to prove themselves and when it's spent rolling around the ground in a stalemate, they should be booed. Sure, there have been times when I disagree with the ref for making fighters stand at crucial points in a grappling sequence, but when it's called for, it's time to get up and show us what other specialty they have, after all, this is MMA.
Also, because the UFC is getting more exposure and a lot more fighters in the UFC (which means greater talent pool) I believe the fans are also learning the sport well enough to follow what's going on. As opposed to the early 90s when all the fans wanted was blood. Be patient with the fans,
Doom. ;)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 06, 2013, 05:11:54 PM
*Chief pats Doom on the head* "Come on now my son, don't you worry your pretty little head about those big ole fighters and just enjoy it."
;)
Haha. Like button hit.
Not sure if I want to add my two cents...
What's holding you back? We're all friends here.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 06, 2013, 08:09:59 PM
What's holding you back? We're all friends here.
Pure laziness, nothing else lol.
Haha! Cheers!
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 06, 2013, 06:26:14 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 06, 2013, 05:11:54 PM
Silva and Stann was made clearly for just that reason and I understand that. There are fights put together that are tailored made so that (ideally) a certain type of action will play out. My concern though is that a lot of UFC fans (not specific to any one nationality) are very ignorant of the sport's intricacies and that's why whenever a fight ends up on the ground and stays there for more than 30 seconds, or two fighters decide to work in a clinch for a good period of time, you hear an overwhelming chorus of "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!" because those same fans have very little patience. What really annoys me are referees who break up fights due to a lack of action. Granted there are times when this needed but these days I feel it's overdone.
Ah, so your problem is with the fans, those bloodthirsty fans!
The UFC was built on blood and broken bones and one shouldn't be upset with the fans for wanting to see that. The fighters have limited time to prove themselves and when it's spent rolling around the ground in a stalemate, they should be booed. Sure, there have been times when I disagree with the ref for making fighters stand at crucial points in a grappling sequence, but when it's called for, it's time to get up and show us what other specialty they have, after all, this is MMA.
Also, because the UFC is getting more exposure and a lot more fighters in the UFC (which means greater talent pool) I believe the fans are also learning the sport well enough to follow what's going on. As opposed to the early 90s when all the fans wanted was blood. Be patient with the fans, Doom. ;)
I'm not talking about stalemates though, I'm talking about chess matches where there is good ground work going on but because it's not fists flying and blood spraying, fans becomes angry and impatient. Who knows, maybe it's because when you're watching the event live, you really can't see much of anything that's happening in the cage when it comes to the intricacies of the ground game which would make boredom a legitimate complaint. But at the same time, there are instances when two fighters clinch or go the ground and literally,
immediately, the crowd starts booing. Gimme a break.
Also,
Weidman vs. Silva set for July 4. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1556025-anderson-silva-vs-chris-weidman-title-fight-agreed-for-ufc-event-on-july-6)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 06, 2013, 08:19:39 PM
Weidman vs. Silva set for July 4. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1556025-anderson-silva-vs-chris-weidman-title-fight-agreed-for-ufc-event-on-july-6)
Looks like the people who said Silva was scared of Weidman for some reason will be eating crow soon enough. I think Weidman wins the first round and gets finished by the spider in the second or third. I don't think he is ready for Silva.
I agree. I like Weidman and this fight is too soon for him. When he loses, I doubt he'll be the same considering the big game he's been talking so far. Not to mention, he hasn't fought in nearly a year.
I feel ya',
Doom.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 06, 2013, 08:19:39 PM
Weidman vs. Silva set for July 4. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1556025-anderson-silva-vs-chris-weidman-title-fight-agreed-for-ufc-event-on-july-6)
Hopefully there will be some...
fireworks! #lame
I agree with you guys though in that Weidman will fall short.
Goodnight, Weidman...
Weidman is going to have to clinch will Silva and work for those takedowns. Given his layoff and Silva's skill, it's his only shot at (somehow) winning.
He is going to destroy Weidman.
QuoteTransgender Fighter Fallon Fox Scores KO, Wants Shot in UFC
http://www.sherdog.com/blog/Video-Transgender-Fighter-Fallon-Fox-Scores-KO-Wants-Shot-in-UFC-50715 (http://www.sherdog.com/blog/Video-Transgender-Fighter-Fallon-Fox-Scores-KO-Wants-Shot-in-UFC-50715)
Everyone has the right to do as they please with their bodies...but this is how it starts to get tricky...
No... :o
I am looking forward to the second women's bout in the UFC - Meisha Tate vs Cat Zingano in the TUF 17 finale.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/2/11/3977322/miesha-tate-vs-cat-zingano-slated-for-tuf-17-finale (http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/2/11/3977322/miesha-tate-vs-cat-zingano-slated-for-tuf-17-finale)
RIDICULOUS
Quote from: Gates on Mar 07, 2013, 05:57:29 PM
QuoteTransgender Fighter Fallon Fox Scores KO, Wants Shot in UFC
http://www.sherdog.com/blog/Video-Transgender-Fighter-Fallon-Fox-Scores-KO-Wants-Shot-in-UFC-50715 (http://www.sherdog.com/blog/Video-Transgender-Fighter-Fallon-Fox-Scores-KO-Wants-Shot-in-UFC-50715)
Everyone has the right to do as they please with their bodies...but this is how it starts to get tricky...
Eh, put her in one of the lower weight men's classes and let her fight Faber ;D
Haha!
Just don't let her/him in the UFC.
This is going to cause an uproar no doubt. I'm actually looking forward to hearing what the bleeding hearts have to say about it.
Ha! Trouble maker.
I'm sure there is a law in place to prevent this from happening. It'll probably sound something like this : Pursuant to Article 55 of The Man Regulation 12-145-72, Men will not be authorized to remove said penis and fight women and expect it to be fair. Or something like that.
In this aspect, I refuse to call him a "her". He doesn't belong in the cage with natural women. Its absurd, men inherently have a huge advantage in every (important) physical aspect of a fight. There is no place for him in the cage with women.
That said: CALL LINK (http://www.mmaweekly.com/ufc-158-st-pierre-vs-diaz-conference-call-audio-you-dont-want-to-miss-this)
This gets real schoolyard ugly at certain points. I feel almost bad for Nick... I honestly feel a decade + of pot smoking has addled his brain. I don't think he has the emotional maturity to deal with these things. When he starts going off... I almost feel like I am listening to a kid lashing out at the world, not understanding why everyone is against him. I'm not saying that to be funny or mean... I think he needs some better people around him to help him emotionally grow up.
He's not going to get that with Cesar Gracie. That guy is a snake.
EDIT: ARGH, forgot the conference call link
Don't feel bad for that brat. He's made the the decision to stay in that environment his entire career. He has more than enough cash to start life elsewhere, but since he keeps it real, Stockton will remain his home to thug it out.
Edited my post with the actual talk I am going on about lol :)
Haha. Ah, it all makes sense now. I thought your heart was wanting to show the Stockton badboy some love.
:P
The homie Gates is going to buy posters of Diaz after he listens to that conference call! ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWCWwSWeiTA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWCWwSWeiTA#ws)
Kenny isn't kidding about Georges' internal anger. GSP looks to me like the sort of person who will come up to you with the biggest smile in the world and say,
"I know that I'm a nice guy and I'm very fond of you but if you piss me off, I will kill you."
And he'll keep smiling as he says it. Meanwhile, you're shitting yourself because you know it's true.
Oh bother. You read that comment in GSP's voice, didn't you?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 08, 2013, 09:56:16 PM
Kenny isn't kidding about Georges' internal anger. GSP looks to me like the sort of person who will come up to you with the biggest smile in the world and say,
"I know that I'm a nice guy and I'm very fond of you but if you piss me off, I will kill you."
:D I think thats my favorite GSP quality, he has that switch. I think/hope that it is going to lead to a very exciting fight with Diaz.
Oh and JDS vs Mark Hunt equals fireworks, although I see JDS submitting Hunt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gqzhrthlUc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gqzhrthlUc#)
It seems Asian fighters are Anderson Silva's kryptonite.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 10, 2013, 12:18:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gqzhrthlUc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gqzhrthlUc#)
It seems Asian fighters are Anderson Silva's kryptonite.
I think Okami would disagree, but Ryo Chonnan on the other hand...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYN6U_85YCI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYN6U_85YCI#)
You posted the same video :P
Not sure how that happened. I used the right link :-\
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TMuhQJB258# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TMuhQJB258#)
There we are ;)
Has to be the craziest fight ending sequence of all time. Even when compared to the Showtime kick.
Oh definitely. Watching the slow-mo at the very end really made me cringe. Did you notice how far Ryo twisted Silva's ankle?
Just nasty, a heel hook is painful enough without it being cranked like that.
Indeed! I remember when I first learned them in class, we were told to never use them while sparring because of the damage they cause. At one point I also recall there being talk of banning them from pro MMA.
That raises an interesting question. Don Frye said a while back that MMA is being sissy-fied. What do you guys think?
Did anyone catch the 30 second preview of ufc 158 with the prometheus trailer music during the facebook prelims of fuel tv 8?
I can't seem to find it anywhere online.
Nah, I missed it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 11, 2013, 02:45:19 AM
That raises an interesting question. Don Frye said a while back that MMA is being sissy-fied. What do you guys think?
He's an old school fighter where there were few rules. It's still a dangerous sport and I don't think the fighters are sissies at all. I just hope they don't ban the elbows and knees to the face.
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 11, 2013, 04:02:26 AM
Did anyone catch the 30 second preview of ufc 158 with the prometheus trailer music during the facebook prelims of fuel tv 8?
I can't seem to find it anywhere online.
Yeah I caught that on TV and didn't know what to think of it. Kinda cool I guess.
As far as MMA being sissyfied, I can wholeheartedly disagree. MMA is obviously still a very violent sport. I am glad crap like soccer kicks and knees to a downed opponent have been banned from regulated MMA. I am also not a fan of 12-6 elbows. However I can still sorta see where Fry is coming from. When all you have to do is touch the floor with your hand to prevent a knee thats pretty messed up, and banning heel hooks would be a shame. Imagine how Palhares would feel if that happened.
He'd have to reinvent himself, lol. I think knees to a downed opponent should be allowed, personally. I fail to see the difference between those and knees when an opponent is standing. They're not like foot stomps where the head has no place to go once it's struck.
So many fights will end in the first round if they were legal. I'm starting to think that elbows will be banned as well.
Just the thought of someone's head being pushed into a cage and hit repeatedly with knees makes me uncomfortable.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 11, 2013, 07:25:42 PMSo many fights will end in the first round if they were legal.
In relation to the discussion we had a few days ago, I don't think many fans would object.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 11, 2013, 07:25:42 PMI'm starting to think that elbows will be banned as well.
No way, they can't elbows away. They're basic muay thai weapons. Taking them away would significantly reduce a fighter's ability to strike and would make it more like boxing.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 11, 2013, 09:06:38 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 11, 2013, 07:25:42 PMSo many fights will end in the first round if they were legal.
In relation to the discussion we had a few days ago, I don't think many fans would object.
No, probably not, but the visual is horrible to imagine. Read
PX's post. *chills
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 11, 2013, 09:06:38 PM
No way, they can't elbows away. They're basic muay thai weapons. Taking them away would significantly reduce a fighter's ability to strike and would make it more like boxing.
I agree. I was just making an observation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj2f5bhY0UM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj2f5bhY0UM#ws)
So close to fight day after all this time waiting...
Ave Cesare! Morituri te salutant!
Well, maybe not that serious... :P
Whatever the outcome, we all know we're in for one helluva show...this makes me happy... 8)
Haha!
I can't wait to BBQ and twist open a cold one for this fight! 8)
I believe Gates is the only one going for Diaz. Am I right?
BBQ..? BBQ..!?
Friggen West Coast with your friggen fake winters... ::)
It was cold today...like a low of 55 in the a.m. and high of 76. ;)
Blaaah..!
Now, it's gonna be even more satisfying when I get your moneys..! :P
Spoiler
Yes, we put money to mouth and bet the fight...we've reached an all time low, lulz... 8)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 11, 2013, 09:06:38 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 11, 2013, 07:25:42 PMSo many fights will end in the first round if they were legal.
In relation to the discussion we had a few days ago, I don't think many fans would object.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 11, 2013, 07:25:42 PMI'm starting to think that elbows will be banned as well.
No way, they can't elbows away. They're basic muay thai weapons. Taking them away would significantly reduce a fighter's ability to strike and would make it more like boxing.
Standing elbows are fine, elbows to a grounded opponent should be banned. If wrestlers have to posture up to get full power punches then it leaves openings for the guy on the bottom to work his guard, making for much more entertaining grappling aspects of mma. Leaving it as is allows guys to stay active enough to prevent a standup while staying heavy on their opponent to avoid having to actually work. (Except maybe Fitch, but his style got him fired as soon as his record started getting shaky)
You take the good with the bad, if you take elbows away on the ground you take away a weapon from many mixed martial artists. Not to mention fighters will still smother their oppents when they deem it necessary.
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 11, 2013, 10:45:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj2f5bhY0UM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj2f5bhY0UM#ws)
So close to fight day after all this time waiting...
"Nick Deeaz deserves to be bea-ton"
:D :D :D
Pride fighters and pre zuffa strikeforce fighters did just fine without elbows on the ground.
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 12, 2013, 12:58:13 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 11, 2013, 09:06:38 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 11, 2013, 07:25:42 PMSo many fights will end in the first round if they were legal.
In relation to the discussion we had a few days ago, I don't think many fans would object.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 11, 2013, 07:25:42 PMI'm starting to think that elbows will be banned as well.
No way, they can't elbows away. They're basic muay thai weapons. Taking them away would significantly reduce a fighter's ability to strike and would make it more like boxing.
Standing elbows are fine, elbows to a grounded opponent should be banned. If wrestlers have to posture up to get full power punches then it leaves openings for the guy on the bottom to work his guard, making for much more entertaining grappling aspects of mma. Leaving it as is allows guys to stay active enough to prevent a standup while staying heavy on their opponent to avoid having to actually work. (Except maybe Fitch, but his style got him fired as soon as his record started getting shaky)
Taking ground elbows away is as dumb as having no ground knees. If they're game while standing, they're game on the ground.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 11, 2013, 11:43:04 PM
I believe Gates is the only one going for Diaz. Am I right?
Yes, Gates is the only one with brain damage.
He's betting against all odds, but will reap great benefits if his fighter wins!
Quote from: Gates on Mar 12, 2013, 12:18:24 AM
Blaaah..!
Now, it's gonna be even more satisfying when I get your moneys..! :P
Spoiler
Yes, we put money to mouth and bet the fight...we've reached an all time low, lulz... 8)
Haha! I'm going to take out that money in singles, go to my preferred gentleman's club, and give a young lady a cool tip. ;)
Now you're talking my style Chief..! 8)
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 12, 2013, 06:55:23 AM
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 11, 2013, 11:43:04 PM
I believe Gates is the only one going for Diaz. Am I right?
Yes, Gates is the only one with brain damage.
Awwwwww, Fox made another 50yr-old man joke... :-*
Spoiler
:P
He is gunna burn that money faster than a virgin in a whorehouse with a fist full of fifties.
He should give it to charity, or use it towards his medication.
Quote from: Gates on Mar 12, 2013, 04:39:33 PM
Now you're talking my style Chief..! 8)
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 12, 2013, 06:55:23 AM
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 11, 2013, 11:43:04 PM
I believe Gates is the only one going for Diaz. Am I right?
Yes, Gates is the only one with brain damage.
Awwwwww, Fox made another 50yr-old man joke... :-*
Spoiler
:P
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Fox:
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Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 12, 2013, 04:40:51 PM
He should give it to charity[...]
Single moms count as charity.
About the fight, is Diaz really going to get the beat down of his life?
I don't know - but I feel very confident he has zero chance of winning.
Not sure what will be bloodier, the main event or the fight here between Chief and Gates.
Huh? Why? Is Gates menstruating again?
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Haha. It won't be bloody between us, unless he doesn't pay...I'll send ScardyFox to collect for me. >:-)
There is nothing more primal then a Bostonian Vs a New Yorker.
Thats elemental right there.
Spoiler
even though New Yorkers are pansy's :P
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 12, 2013, 06:58:44 PM
There is nothing more primal then a Bostonian Vs a New Yorker.
:laugh: No.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsu-SJIuPp8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsu-SJIuPp8#ws)
Haha Wandy's prediction was great!
We all know how this will end though, right? Diaz and GSP giving each other the biggest hug in the world after the fight's done.
GSP will invite him over for dinner, too! Oh and a notification in my inbox saying that "Gates has sent you a payment." $$$
People should pull in the forum culture of signature bets here.
I would be willing to do signature bet, on the right fight.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 12, 2013, 05:00:07 PM
About the fight, is Diaz really going to get the beat down of his life?
Not likely, Diaz is a dangerous fighter and I don't see GSP taking too many risks.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 12, 2013, 05:37:58 PM
Haha. It won't be bloody between us, unless he doesn't pay...I'll send ScardyFox to collect for me. >:-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktyuNv9X-PA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktyuNv9X-PA)
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 12, 2013, 06:58:44 PM
even though New Yorkers are pansy's :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSro8Fu06BA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSro8Fu06BA)
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Mar 12, 2013, 11:28:17 PM
I would be willing to do signature bet, on the right fight.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 12, 2013, 05:00:07 PM
About the fight, is Diaz really going to get the beat down of his life?
Not likely, Diaz is a dangerous fighter and I don't see GSP taking too many risks.
I'll be laughing when Diaz does his trademark, "Come at me bro" bs in the fight. GSP
will mess him up.
Yeah, can't wait to see what GSP will do when he tries that. Jab, headkick, or takedown.
GSP KO's Diaz with a right head kick. I'm calling it. Diaz will drop his hands and *BOOM*; 3rd round.
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Spoiler
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;D
Chief, I think that was meant for you.
Haha. I'm pretty sure that was meant for all who are going for GSP.
Quote from: Gates on Mar 13, 2013, 01:14:05 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kjPdBRs7XYE/TnGc9s0FhUI/AAAAAAAAAEk/rNnhqCU1gs0/s1600/117_coker_and_nick.jpg
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;D
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Edit: To avoid double posting, I'll just attach this here. Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3WYOsfL9xw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3WYOsfL9xw#ws)
Quote from: Gates on Mar 12, 2013, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 12, 2013, 05:37:58 PM
Haha. It won't be bloody between us, unless he doesn't pay...I'll send ScardyFox to collect for me. >:-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktyuNv9X-PA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktyuNv9X-PA)
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 12, 2013, 06:58:44 PM
even though New Yorkers are pansy's :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSro8Fu06BA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSro8Fu06BA)
Pssh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5taWpeMWdzk)
New York New York big city of dreams
And everything in New York ain't always what it seems
You might get fooled if you come from out of town
But I'm down by law, and I'm from the Dogg Pound
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Mar 13, 2013, 03:57:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3WYOsfL9xw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3WYOsfL9xw#ws)
:laugh:
^^^
Gimme a couple G's, for every MasterChief, I knocked to his knees
;)
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Mar 13, 2013, 03:57:46 AM
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/168/315/GSPnotimpressed_display_image.jpg?1312799526
:D
I still remember when he said that..! Friggen hilarious with his accent..!
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 13, 2013, 06:58:01 AM
Pssh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5taWpeMWdzk)
Psssssssssssssh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RzVqAgqpi4#) Psssssssssssssssh :-*
I applaud your taste in music. What doubly sucks is some of my favorites are from New York.
So...
Eat it
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Quote from: Gates on Mar 13, 2013, 05:01:51 PM
^^^
Gimme a couple G's, for every MasterChief, I knocked to his knees
;)
ok ok...not bad.
Spoiler
Actually well played! haha
Call the snitch hotline and get the Gates-Unit monkeys
Call the cops, I'm still 100 miles an runnin'
Then call the God and tell him your ass is comin'Quote from: Gates on Mar 13, 2013, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Mar 13, 2013, 03:57:46 AM
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/168/315/GSPnotimpressed_display_image.jpg?1312799526
:D
I still remember when he said that..! Friggen hilarious with his accent..!
Haha yep! I was rollin' at work!
My fight predictions for UFC 158 are
GSP def Nick Diaz by UD
Carlos Condit def Johnny Hendricks by KO or TKO (I'm eyeing the second or third rounds)
Jake Ellenberger def Nate Marquardt by UD
Nick Ring def Chris Camozzi by Submission (first round)
Mike Ricci def Colin Fletcher by UD
Not sure who to pick on the Prelims though, but I have a feeling Rick Story and John Makdessi will win their respective fights. Anyone care to agree or disagree with my picks?
The only thing I don't agree with is Condit knocking out Hendricks. I don't think he'll try and bang with him. I'm thinking he'll do what he did against Diaz. I like both fighters so may the better man win.
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 13, 2013, 05:11:47 PM
I applaud your taste in music.
I promise, you'll take this back, lulz...I listen to ALL types... 8)
QuoteEat it
http://redsarmy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/lb33.jpg
Unfortunately, I got nothing for this...
No, wait:
Spoiler
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Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 13, 2013, 05:38:51 PM
Quote from: Gates on Mar 13, 2013, 05:01:51 PM
^^^
Gimme a couple G's, for every MasterChief, I knocked to his knees
;)
ok ok...not bad. Spoiler
Actually well played! haha
Call the lighty brothers, call all your lil' flunkies
Call the snitch hotline and get the Gates-Unit monkeys
Call the cops, I'm still 100 miles an runnin'
Then call the God and tell him your ass is comin'
Nice..! :-*
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Mar 13, 2013, 06:37:59 PM
My fight predictions for UFC 158 are
GSP def Nick Diaz by UD
I disagree, but this really is a smart bet...we all know St. Poo forgot how to finish a fight... :P
Haha. It appears that way.
I think Hendricks is going to be the next champion. Kinda' want him to KO Diaz for it.
Hendricks will never be a champion until he learns something else besides how to hit someone with his left hand.
He's a great wrestler.
I see Hendricks as one of those guys that's destined to remain in the top 5 contenders' list until GSP retires. Until GSP leaves, no one else will hold the belt because he's just that good.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 14, 2013, 02:40:38 AM
He's a great wrestler.
That is true, but I still remember him being outgrappled by Rick Story. I think GSP wouldn't be able to take him down at will, but he could outstrike him. Though he would likely attempt to pin Hendricks against the fence and wear him down. Then he will try to pick him apart after the first round where Hendricks would be less likely to land one of his huge left haymakers. Of course this is MMA and nothing is a guarantee.
Edit: Diaz missed another event http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/03/nick-diaz-no-shows-ufc-158-open-workouts-ufcs-dana-white-on-edge (http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/03/nick-diaz-no-shows-ufc-158-open-workouts-ufcs-dana-white-on-edge)
I like Diaz, but this is reaching a whole new level of absurdity. He really needs to get his shit together.
Man, they are really hyping this "grudge" match. I hope it lives up to the hype.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ8a1IG1zL8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ8a1IG1zL8#ws)
Oh and STFUGATES
I'm pretty sure the main event will deliver as promised. Expect Diaz to be talking trash the entire fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36YMvdgOZFE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36YMvdgOZFE#ws)
Pretty good but awkward. Dana lays into Hawani for some reason overly hard.
CLIFF NOTES Version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJYqQA2tejY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJYqQA2tejY#ws)
Kinda seemed out of place for White to go at Helwani like that. I thought it was a perfectly reasonable question, but he should have been a little less persistant with it. That aside Nick really took center stage here, it must suck to be Hendricks or Condit here. Not a fan of all the excuses from Nick but I kinda forgive him for missing the open workout.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1565806-nick-diaz-chased-georges-st-pierre-around-hotel-in-2011-led-to-fight-at-ufc-158 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1565806-nick-diaz-chased-georges-st-pierre-around-hotel-in-2011-led-to-fight-at-ufc-158)
I guess Nick was bored.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Mar 15, 2013, 12:28:18 AM
Kinda seemed out of place for White to go at Helwani like that. I thought it was a perfectly reasonable question, but he should have been a little less persistant with it. That aside Nick really took center stage here, it must suck to be Hendricks or Condit here. Not a fan of all the excuses from Nick but I kinda forgive him for missing the open workout.
You shouldn't. He's paid like a professional so he should start to act like one.
I thought Dana was joking at first.
But yeah, this is his job and has no excuse to miss anything that the boss asks him to do for the fight and for the company. If he doesn't like it, he can go back to fighting at local casinos. Yeah!
Meh, open workouts are unneeded and akward anyways. Not professional by any means but not really a dealbreaker either. That be said he needs to be more organized to prevent this shit.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 15, 2013, 12:57:34 AM
I thought Dana was joking at first.
Makes me think back to when Wanderlei said "I wanna f**k Chuck". Imagine if he had pulled this stunt off :D
The more I see Nick the more I feel bad for him. It's actually kinda odd, really.
Can't help it.
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 14, 2013, 11:51:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36YMvdgOZFE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36YMvdgOZFE#ws)
Pretty good but awkward. Dana lays into Hawani for some reason overly hard.
CLIFF NOTES Version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJYqQA2tejY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJYqQA2tejY#ws)
14:56; first time I've ever seen or heard GSP that angry. Whoa, man.
As for Diaz, his interruptions were uncalled for but you can tell he doesn't like media. His nervousness was so potent you could smell it.
I really am a sucker for these fluff pieces.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kS0gnIA3yg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kS0gnIA3yg#ws)
Pssh! Defeated by a yellow-belt. I would've mopped the floor with all of the kids! ;)
Love when public figures do things like that for the kids. :)
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 15, 2013, 07:54:37 AM
The more I see Nick the more I feel bad for him. It's actually kinda odd, really.
Can't help it.
You and
PredalienXenomorph need to get ahold of yourselves. You're falling for his "I'm the victim here" trap. Haha
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 15, 2013, 01:20:32 PM
Love when public figures do things like that for the kids. :)
Yeah, I really appreciate things like that even though I'm not there, lol. Its good. Anytime a person takes even a minute out of their day to be a role model is fantastic to me. In particular since the idea of one is almost a dying concept.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 15, 2013, 01:20:32 PMYou and PredalienXenomorph need to get ahold of yourselves. You're falling for his "I'm the victim here" trap. Haha
Nah, its not that (for me at least). He's made his own bed. I feel bad because he just can't see the mistakes he is making? I guess? I mean on one hand he is very rich and well to do in his life now. But - for lack of better wording - he is just so dumb he doesn't get it. It's like seeing a man poisoned right before your eyes. He's trapped in this idea and stupidity, anger and confusion and you just kinda know life is so much better - why are you doing this?
I don't know, I am babbling... its odd to say the least because I couldn't stand him. But after watching him struggle and speak... I just feel bad. Not because of the context... but because of whats behind it.
SF, you're a good man and I hear what you're saying.
Still, I'm going to enjoy taking Gates' money when GSP humbles the dummy. ;)
Thanks :)
And don't get me wrong. I am still wanting him to lose badly.
Which he will, gates.
I feel for him(on occasion) for a couple simple reasons. I'm biased because he is one of my favourite fighters and he reminds me of my stoner brother in some ways. They both act like the world is against them when it clearly is not. Not to mention they are both a little too ignorant in the ways of the world and it turns people against them. So I feel for him, but I realize his own self destructive behavior is what puts him in bad situations. So I won't cry foul when he gets punished for his actions.
I will side with him though when it comes to the marijuana usage. There shouldn't be such stiff penalties for it, especially since some guys are getting away with steroid use. So what if he smokes a little weed?
Weigh-ins about to start and I have them set to record. Don't forget to spoiler tag it if anything goes down. 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hLzCY4Cqi2E# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hLzCY4Cqi2E#)!
27:18
Well that escalated quickly.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 15, 2013, 02:17:28 PM
Still, I'm going to enjoy taking Gates' money when GSP humbles the dummy. ;)
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 15, 2013, 05:16:56 PM
I am still wanting him to lose badly.
Which he will, gates.
Hahaha, y'all are talking more shit than Diaz himself..! How's that saying go..? Counting eggs before they hatch and all that jazz...lulz...
Good luck, Chief... 8)
Spoiler
Gonna enjoy spending your chedda'..! :P
anyone watching the free prelims?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEFmP-41tPc#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEFmP-41tPc#noexternalembed-ws)
GSP, GSP, GSP!!!
Quote from: coolbreeze on Mar 17, 2013, 05:25:47 AM
GSP, GSP, GSP!!!
I was literally just about to post that :D The only thing I don't like about GSP is how he wins every single one of his fights, brings the guy to the ground and starts feeding him punches, its getting stale.
Quote from: Gates on Mar 16, 2013, 08:55:59 PM
How's that saying go..? Counting eggs before they hatch and all that jazz...lulz...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhiUcAWGiPw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhiUcAWGiPw#)
Man, worst beating Diaz has ever taken, my Lord!!!!
This was the first UFC I watched in a long time, mostly to see the GSP/Diaz match. I admit I was hoping for a more active fight although it looked like Diaz was humbled(or at least trying to save face), when he raised up GSP's hand at the end of the fight. Really though, he knew he lost so I guess it was his only option.
The Hendricks/Condit fight was awesome though!
He wasn't humbled in the least. I read some quotes of his at the post-fight presser and he sounded like a right idiot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7BJp7-l1Dw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7BJp7-l1Dw#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pauwLt1MDG4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pauwLt1MDG4#ws)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 17, 2013, 09:52:21 PM
He wasn't humbled in the least. I read some quotes of his at the post-fight presser and he sounded like a right idiot.
Hence me saying saving face ;)
Just watched those pressers from ScardyFox and OMFG Diaz.. :laugh: he looked and sounded like a little kid caught doing something he wasn't supposed to be with those hand gestures and looking down and all around. Geez dude....let it go lol
I guess I shouldn't be too surprised that he has the nerve to ask for a rematch. But it won't happen.
;D
Oh wells, congrats to Georges for another W, clap it up Canada, lulz...I don't feel he did his usual lay-n-pray, he was pretty active on the ground so kudos to him for stepping that up...
Good shit, Chief..! PM me the details so I can take care on my end... :-*
Oh, and f**k you Fox, f**k you very much... :P
Quote from: Gates on Mar 18, 2013, 04:44:58 PM
Oh, and f**k you Fox, f**k you very much... :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o5NweFWjAw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o5NweFWjAw#ws)
So now we have GSP v. Hendricks coming up next and likely, a rematch between Diaz and Condit if Diaz doesn't decide to retire. What do you guys see happening?
GSP takes it and Condit takes it. Rinse n' repeat.
Quote from: Gates on Mar 18, 2013, 04:44:58 PM
Good shit, Chief..! PM me the details so I can take care on my end... :-*
Nice doing business with you. 8)
:P
Hendricks is going to obliterate GSP.
Hahahahahahahaha...wait, what? Which planet are you living on?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2013, 03:25:13 AM
Hahahahahahahaha...wait, what? Which planet are you living on?
lol, George is progressively looking worse and worse. He's just lucky Condit prefers to fight off his back then use takedown defense. He's becoming complacent and Hendricks is hungry. If I'm wrong I'll live with that but Hendricks has the best chance of anyone so far.
EDIT: Oh and for the record I've always thought GSP will dominate welterweight as long as he chooses before moving up, but now Hendricks has changed my mind.
Hendricks is Dan Hardy with wrestling. He has only slightly more than a puncher's chance to win.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2013, 05:58:30 AM
Hendricks is Dan Hardy with wrestling. He has only slightly more than a puncher's chance to win.
I disagree. Hendricks is 10x the fighter Hardy is.
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 19, 2013, 12:13:42 AM
Hendricks is going to obliterate GSP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M#)
Just you wait!!! You'll see! You'll all see!!!
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On a totally unrelated note... thats one lucky chimp
:(
I like Hendricks but I am not sold on him being able to obliterate GSP, or Ellenberger for that matter. Then again I thought Condit, Fitch , and Kampmann were going to beat him. :-\
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2013, 05:58:30 AM
Hendricks is Dan Hardy with wrestling. He has only slightly more than a puncher's chance to win.
This...
And that chimp knows what's up...do want him <3
He has no chance of winning - haven't you learned yet I am always right in these things?
Blah...I know, but you know every fighter has a punchers chance as Doom pointed out... :-*
Beyond that, he's a dead man...
Yeah you never know, GSP he might go down as fast as Fitch did.
I KNOW EVERYTHING!
Spoiler
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Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Mar 19, 2013, 04:48:44 PM
Yeah you never know, GSP he might go down as fast as Fitch did.
Because Fitch has amazing footwork which he uses to outpace his opponents right? Fitch is very flat-flooted and his footwork is almost non-existent which is why Hendricks floored him so quickly. That's also in addition to not using proper head movement.
GSP/Hendricks will be interesting.
Probably won't be the most exciting match with GSP's lay n pray tactics. I think he'll take Hendricks down at will.
Hendricks has the better wrestling credentials but when it comes to MMA wrestling, GSP is the best. Koscheck couldn't stop the takedowns.
Sonnen wants a tag team match against Vince McMahon. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1574141-chael-sonnen-calls-out-wwe-ceo-vince-mcmahon-wants-tag-team-match)
You know you'd pay to see it.
Haha! Probably.
I like The Sonnen Vs Diaz remarks.
Diaz fans are delusional on a level that is inconceivable.
Quote from: nerdcricket on Mar 20, 2013, 07:53:18 AM
GSP/Hendricks will be interesting.
Probably won't be the most exciting match with GSP's lay n pray tactics. I think he'll take Hendricks down at will.
Hendricks has the better wrestling credentials but when it comes to MMA wrestling, GSP is the best. Koscheck couldn't stop the takedowns.
GSP only took down koscheck 4 out of 9 times in their rematch. That's less then 50% for some extraordinary takedown artist... If you remember his gameplan for the fight he was going to shoot for a takedown whenever Josh got aggressive. Now, if you look at the stats, George only landed 1 of 5 takedowns in the first 3 rounds with Josh, Hendricks landed 2 of 6 takedowns in their 3 round fight.
If we compare their takedowns in their Condit fights, GSP landed 7 of 8 in a 5 rd fight whereas Hendricks landed 12 of 15 in a 3 rd fight.
It seems that Hendricks lands more takedowns then George does per round vs the same opponents.
Combine that with Hendricks extreme striking advantage... (stiff jabs and leg kicks won't keep you safe from Hendricks, he showed in the Condit fight that he can overcome the reach disadvantage)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 20, 2013, 06:24:25 PM
Sonnen wants a tag team match against Vince McMahon. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1574141-chael-sonnen-calls-out-wwe-ceo-vince-mcmahon-wants-tag-team-match)
You know you'd pay to see it.
lol... You know that would just end in controversy with the wwe involved. There'd be some kind of interference and team wwe would win even though they get smashed and saturated in fake blood. ;D
There isn't fake blood in the WWF. When they bleed, they bleed.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 21, 2013, 05:50:25 AM
There isn't fake blood in the WWF. When they bleed, they bleed.
are you telling me that this is real lmao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSmrkh7Za0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSmrkh7Za0#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6CCMiPTMSs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6CCMiPTMSs#)
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 21, 2013, 06:06:27 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 21, 2013, 05:50:25 AM
There isn't fake blood in the WWF. When they bleed, they bleed.
are you telling me that this is real lmao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSmrkh7Za0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSmrkh7Za0#)
In some cases it is, yes. Case in point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k15W00WJ1OE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k15W00WJ1OE)
It's started
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nKgg_BbtM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nKgg_BbtM#ws)
Haha that was lame, but funny. That's the worst it's going to get. If anyone else is watching TUF 17 it's clearly showing that Jones and Sonnen are friends already. They didn't want to be, but it happened.
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 21, 2013, 09:56:51 AM
It's started
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nKgg_BbtM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nKgg_BbtM#ws)
I applauded at the end, that was so awesome :D
I love Sonnen. I can't help it...
I'd cry with laughter if he pulled off an upset.
I'd be upset because I'd owe
Gates money if that happens.
Spoiler
You like betting on the underdogs. Want to try and earn your money back? >:-)
Are you honestly betting on a Sonnen upset?
Nah, Gates goes for the underdogs and I want him to bet me again. ;)
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 21, 2013, 09:56:51 AM
It's started
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nKgg_BbtM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nKgg_BbtM#ws)
http://universalcombatnews.com/2013/03/21/jon-jones-responds-to-chael-sonnens-poem/ (http://universalcombatnews.com/2013/03/21/jon-jones-responds-to-chael-sonnens-poem/)
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 21, 2013, 12:06:49 AM
Quote from: nerdcricket on Mar 20, 2013, 07:53:18 AM
GSP/Hendricks will be interesting.
Probably won't be the most exciting match with GSP's lay n pray tactics. I think he'll take Hendricks down at will.
Hendricks has the better wrestling credentials but when it comes to MMA wrestling, GSP is the best. Koscheck couldn't stop the takedowns.
GSP only took down koscheck 4 out of 9 times in their rematch. That's less then 50% for some extraordinary takedown artist... If you remember his gameplan for the fight he was going to shoot for a takedown whenever Josh got aggressive. Now, if you look at the stats, George only landed 1 of 5 takedowns in the first 3 rounds with Josh, Hendricks landed 2 of 6 takedowns in their 3 round fight.
If we compare their takedowns in their Condit fights, GSP landed 7 of 8 in a 5 rd fight whereas Hendricks landed 12 of 15 in a 3 rd fight.
It seems that Hendricks lands more takedowns then George does per round vs the same opponents.
Combine that with Hendricks extreme striking advantage... (stiff jabs and leg kicks won't keep you safe from Hendricks, he showed in the Condit fight that he can overcome the reach disadvantage)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 20, 2013, 06:24:25 PM
Sonnen wants a tag team match against Vince McMahon. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1574141-chael-sonnen-calls-out-wwe-ceo-vince-mcmahon-wants-tag-team-match)
You know you'd pay to see it.
lol... You know that would just end in controversy with the wwe involved. There'd be some kind of interference and team wwe would win even though they get smashed and saturated in fake blood. ;D
Those are all valid points. Hendricks takedowns were pretty impressive against Condit.
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 22, 2013, 03:58:14 AM
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 21, 2013, 09:56:51 AM
It's started
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nKgg_BbtM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nKgg_BbtM#ws)
http://universalcombatnews.com/2013/03/21/jon-jones-responds-to-chael-sonnens-poem/ (http://universalcombatnews.com/2013/03/21/jon-jones-responds-to-chael-sonnens-poem/)
Boring response! :(
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 22, 2013, 07:19:06 AM
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 22, 2013, 03:58:14 AM
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 21, 2013, 09:56:51 AM
It's started
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nKgg_BbtM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nKgg_BbtM#ws)
http://universalcombatnews.com/2013/03/21/jon-jones-responds-to-chael-sonnens-poem/ (http://universalcombatnews.com/2013/03/21/jon-jones-responds-to-chael-sonnens-poem/)
Boring response! :(
lol, It's Jon Jones, what were you expecting him to say? That once he's done they will find Sonnen's skin ripped off, his body strung out, his head cut off and his spinal column torn from the cadaver?
Because that would be epic ;D
Haha SF wants The Rock type quotes from Jones.
Haha, pretty much. Chael is an anomaly to me. I dislike/hate a lot of fighters because of arrogance. I don't like jerks basically which is why I always hated Ortiz, Jones, Shamrock, Rashad, etc. But man I do love Chael, lol.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 21, 2013, 10:23:13 PM
Nah, Gates goes for the underdogs and I want him to bet me again. ;)
Yeah, at my bookie, where the odds are in my favor... :P
With this fight, I have Jones all the way, so it's a no go...but don't worry, I'm sure you'll get action from me soon..!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qfpG4zsi_s#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qfpG4zsi_s#ws)
Chael is going to win by KO due to a spinning backfist. :D
This guy just referred to himself as a 'gangsta'...!!! :laugh:
Nothing but a career Number 2...always was, always will be...
Oh Chael, you beautiful son-of-a-gun!
On a totally different note, GSP has been cast as a villain in the next Captain America film.
Gangsta! Lol
Best TUF episode tonight with two TKOs! Too lazy to post links...sue me. 8)
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 22, 2013, 02:52:15 PM
Haha, pretty much. Chael is an anomaly to me. I dislike/hate a lot of fighters because of arrogance. I don't like jerks basically which is why I always hated Ortiz, Jones, Shamrock, Rashad, etc. But man I do love Chael, lol.
Probably because what he says is so over the top and cheesy that nobody can take him seriously. He comes across to me as a real life mma troll... The other guys that you listed seem to genuinely think their **** don't stink.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 27, 2013, 03:42:49 AM
Gangsta! Lol
Best TUF episode tonight with two TKOs! Too lazy to post links...sue me. 8)
Best fights yet...only thing that sucked is I can't stand seeing Ronda.
GO AWAY
I'd let her wrap her legs around me while excercising, anytime!
Spoiler
Yes, this was a suggestive comment. ;)
Fallon Fox vs. Cyborg; anyone else think that fight would sell better than Rousey/Cyborg?
And here he is, my far FAR least favorite person in the UFC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N3oBiSC7RU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N3oBiSC7RU#ws)
Michael Bisping needs to put up or shutup. I'm sick of his constant, "I'm awesome, love me, gimme a title shot" drama. It's too late in his career anyway for a title run given that he has never beaten a top 5 guy.
I literally relish when he loses.
Remember UFC 100? He and his camp actually believed he could KO Dan Henderson :D :D :D
I liked Bisping when he first appeared on TUF...slowly thereafter, I began to despise him...
All bark, no bite...
I stopped caring for him after the Rivera fight, that was just classless.
This made me laugh.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1582715-3-reasons-jon-jones-should-fear-chael-sonnen (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1582715-3-reasons-jon-jones-should-fear-chael-sonnen)
Watch it while you can before it gets taken down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI6Hla5Az-g#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI6Hla5Az-g#ws)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2013, 02:54:27 AM
This made me laugh.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1582715-3-reasons-jon-jones-should-fear-chael-sonnen (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1582715-3-reasons-jon-jones-should-fear-chael-sonnen)
This gives me an idea for side bets...will Sonnen take him down, and if so, how many times..? What do you guys think..?
Possibilities... :)
I'd bet you a pound of wings but alas, you live down south.
Also, anyone hear about Gustaffson's injury? Supposedly he might be out of his fight against Mousasi.
My bad, Doom...I meant for some side bets with my friends, want to know what you guys think... :)
So you think he'll take Jones down..?
Oh yeah, Chael is going to bring the fight like no one else has before him. The thing with Sonnen is that even though he's a very one-dimensional fighter, the guy will work you to death and never let up. He has heart and tenacity.
Also,
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2013, 12:36:39 AM
I'd bet you a pound of wings but alas, you live down south.
Also, anyone hear about Gustaffson's injury? Supposedly he might be out of his fight against Mousasi.
It seems to be confirmed that he has a cut and is off the card. Wandy had some fun with the situation and lied saying he was going to fill in for Gustaffson for an April Fools joke.
As for Sonnen taking Jones down, I don't see that happening. In fact I predict Jones getting the early takedown and finishing the fight before the championship rounds.
Really..? :)
Interesting...I don't think much of Chael, myself, but I still think he'll manage one or two takedowns...it's not a Gold, but a Silver Medal has to be worth something...
And, yeah...I don't think it's going passed the third, either...
I don't do MMA or really fight at all but I am curious. How would Bruce Lee do against a modern MMA champ? I know he invented his own martial arts style.
Oh no...THAT question..!
I think he'd be a contender fo'sure (in his weight class), but ultimately we have no benchmark for comparison, so we could go on for days, either way... :)
Quote from: shadowedge on Apr 06, 2013, 12:44:02 AM
I don't do MMA or really fight at all but I am curious. How would Bruce Lee do against a modern MMA champ? I know he invented his own martial arts style.
He'd do fine as long he learned how to grapple properly. I doubt anyone would question his striking prowess. Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZBSBab-Es#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZBSBab-Es#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7tROwE-f_Q#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7tROwE-f_Q#noexternalembed-ws)
So Bruce Lee is a monster at striking but needs work on grappling and wrestling? Got it.
You don't sound convinced.
Bruce Lee :D What a random question.
Anyone else catch TUF finale this past weekend?
The women's fight was great! I just love how they forget to block at times.
It was a very good fight card that delivered good fights.
It was a good card no doubt but all my pick-ems lost; Hall, Tate, and Jorgensen.
Tate gassed out in a bad way. I would like to know why she thought swinging for the fences was a good idea. Unless your name is Dan Henderson or Wanderlei Silva, that tactic generally doesn't work for a fighter. I'm also laughing at her notion that the stoppage was premature. Lady, you had your ass handed to you on a silver platter. Next time, fight smart. Either way though, Rousey will plow right through Zingano; I'm sure of it.
I was disappointed with Hall's loss. I have to agree with the pundits who say he was defeated before he even started fighting on Saturday. For whatever reason, he didn't have that same killer instinct he had in the house.
The Tate-Zingano fight was pretty damn fun to watch I must say. Reminds me so much of old school MMA where the fighters were not nearly as technical but had the heart and passion to make great fights. Unfortunatly I think Cat is going to extend Ronda's streak of first round armbars.
As for Hall, I was excited to see him going into the finale but expected Gastelum to give him a hard time. If he wasn't so hung up on imitating Anderson Silva he might have won the fight but now we will never know. I wonder how far Kelvin is going to get in the sport? It wouldn't suprise me to see him do well for himself but I don't see championship material, only time will tell.
Anyone have any opinions on Krav Maga? Which is more preferable Army Combatives, Krav Maga, or Ju Jitsu?
Depends on the circumstances; sport or reality?
Army Combatives are not meant for sustained fighting. They are meant for crowd control and to get back to your "tools". For instance, a guy jumps you, you throw him off, you bring up your m4 and shoot him in the face.
I'm sure martial arts disciplines are better overall.
It still depends on the situation. In a street fight or bar brawl, I'd get behind the guy who's a Krav Maga/Systema/<insert army combat system> expert rather than the guy who's an expert in muay thai, boxing, BJJ, or something more mainstream. The latter won't save you in a street fight.
At the early levels Army Combatives is pretty much a mix between greco roman wrestling and jiu jitsu. One of our Drill Sergeants was combatives level 3 and got tapped in like 10 seconds by a recruit who was a collegiate wrestler when we were in the pit. Like I said, its more of a POW control, random untrained guy jumping you than it is a legit martial arts system.
I reckon the Spec Ops guys like Rangers and Army SF get different training concerning combatives than we do.
Active duty Army Ranger, Colton Smith, was the winner of TUF 16. He dominated everyone with his wrestling skills.
Was he a wrestler beforehand?
And also Rangers are SOF.
He didn't have much of a resume before going into TUF, just 4 fights, but he may have wrestled before...definitley looked like it. He did wrestle for the Army.
He is Ranger tabbed (which isn't the same as being in Ranger Regiment), and after looking up Army Combatives it actually originated from the Regiment itself. So the whole SOF vs regular Army thing isn't qualified.
I wasn't impressed with it, if you go from the entire program from basic to combatives 4 your talking a total of 12 weeks of training. It did say he wrestled in HS. Maybe the people on the show just sucked that year.
Haha maybe. He wasn't very fun to watch because all he did was get fighters on the ground and just "lay" on them. Whatever works, I guess.
Krav maga was once used by a fighter in the UFC sometime in the 90s. Needless to say, he didn't last very long.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1228120-the-10-strangest-fighting-styles-in-mma-history (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1228120-the-10-strangest-fighting-styles-in-mma-history)
Like I said earlier, they are mostly used to get fools off of you so you can shoot them in the face. There isn't a fighter in the UFC who can take sustained 5.56 rounds to the head. Thats the way the Army sees it. Why waste all that money in training only 10% of your soldiers ever use?
If you let a fool get that close to you in the first place, thats a failure of situational awareness, and if he's a POW then you should have about fifty other guys there to help wrap him up (and slap the flexicuffs on him).
Combatives isnt a martial art.
Anyone catch the Henderson/Melendez fight Sat..?
Great fight...
I did. I'm still kinda' meh about it. I was expecting more from Melendez.
Damn, I just want a champion to finish a dang fight (I'm talking to you Benson)!
Loved how Diaz got smashed! Haha!
Hahah, I hear that, Chief...
I think Ben's leg kicks completely sapped whatever fight Melendez had in him -- realquick...dude's legs are not normal...
True. That knot on the shin of Melendez. :o
Benson should've went for the kill towards the end. Oh well.
Benson was certainly "smooth" in proposing to his lady after the fight :P
Did anyone else notice how badly Melendez was crying when the decision was announced? I'm starting to wonder if Henderson is really all that good. The guy has won every title fight thus far by a razor thin decision.
Yeah, that was smooth.
QuoteI'm starting to wonder if Henderson is really all that good. The guy has won every title fight thus far by a razor thin decision.
He's just barely better than his opponents. Which is good enough.
Yup, that was classic; win the fight, get the girl...
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 24, 2013, 05:23:20 PM
He's just barely better than his opponents. Which is good enough.
But how long can this lucky streak last? I'm pretty sure Melendez would win a rematch.
The fight that really surprised me was Cormier/Mir. I expected Mir to be more aggressive given all the talk he threw out leading up to the fight but Cormier played a smart gameplan. I guess that was just typical Mir. He talked himself into a situation that he couldn't make good on.
It's unfortunate what happened to Mir all those years ago, though... :-\
But Cormier is a beast..!
I'm sorry but people really need to stop talking about that accident. It happened nine years ago and we can't keep using it as an excuse as to why he isn't champion. The fact of the matter is that he can't roll with the top 5 guys. He's a glorified gatekeeper.
I don't mean it as an excuse, just saying it sucks to be at the top of your game (champ, no less) and then have it all taken away in that way...you could go mad with what could have been...
Where's your <3 Doom..? :P
It was lost when he trashed-talked Lesnar ;D
Hahah..! :-*
f**king Lesnar, where's he at these days..?
The circus, aka pro wrestling; unfortunately.
But back to MMA. This has been on my mind lately. Does anyone else think the UFC is putting on too many shows now? There doesn't seem to be any less than two events per month and I believe that is the reason why so many fighters are being struck with injuries and events are being modified or canceled. They're always on the go and under pressure to perform that they inadvertently injure themselves in the pursuit of mainstream acceptance.
They have to put on shows because they have absorbed like three other circuits in the last five years. Elite XC, Strikeforce, WEC, etc. If they didn't they'd have guys idle for the better part of a year.
^Yup, also why they had to clip 40 guys...
They're also competing with boxing. Lots of free (subscription required) great fights on HBO and Showtime. All championship fights! Loving it!
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 24, 2013, 08:39:05 PM
They have to put on shows because they have absorbed like three other circuits in the last five years. Elite XC, Strikeforce, WEC, etc. If they didn't they'd have guys idle for the better part of a year.
But I think that's straining some of the fighters in that they're overtraining. How else do you explain the non-stop injuries?
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 24, 2013, 08:50:23 PM
They're also competing with boxing. Lots of free (subscription required) great fights on HBO and Showtime. All championship fights! Loving it!
Boxing is a dying sport. I don't think it'll be a problem in a few years.
I can remember injuries being a factor all the way back to the original UFC tournaments. I don't know if its more injuries, or just more people with injuries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ucSe37Ffo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ucSe37Ffo#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOc1xMLwuA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOc1xMLwuA#ws)
GO SONNEN AND BELCHER!
SONNEN!!
Bones! I just hope the ref stops it fast enough before Sonnen is murdered. :P
Honestly, when did you lose your soul?
The day Pluto was no longer considered a planet.
I hate Bisping. I am anybody but Bisping.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 24, 2013, 10:17:33 PM
Boxing is a dying sport. I don't think it'll be a problem in a few years.
Yup. MMA all the rage, both the martial art and the tv show. Some people are trying to get it banned in AUS but I think they should keep their opinions to themselves for once. Also, it's a much more effective defence than ninjitsu, karate, etc. It's pretty demanding. I think only Krav Maga would compete with it.
Boxing isn't dead and never will be. Youngsters these days. ::)
Where are the Sonnen fans at? ;D
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 29, 2013, 12:48:25 AM
Where are the Sonnen fans at? ;D
... I want to beat you up a little bit. :(
Lol, I literately feel like I am in morning.
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 29, 2013, 12:48:25 AM
Boxing isn't dead and never will be. Youngsters these days. ::)
Not dead in the sense that it will cease to exist but the sporthas become so corrupt that there's no competitive value left in it. It's all about which promoter can pay the highest number of bidders to determine a fight's outcome. Don't believe? Ask Mann Pacquiao.
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 29, 2013, 12:48:25 AM
Where are the Sonnen fans at? ;D
On the ground in the turtle position 8)
Quote from: ScardyFox on Apr 29, 2013, 06:47:47 AM
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 29, 2013, 12:48:25 AM
Where are the Sonnen fans at? ;D
... I want to beat you up a little bit. :(
Lol, I literately feel like I am in morning.
Like the way Sonnen wanted to beat up Jones? Lol
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 29, 2013, 09:00:18 AM
On the ground in the turtle position 8)
:laugh:
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 29, 2013, 02:09:11 PM
Quote from: ScardyFox on Apr 29, 2013, 06:47:47 AM
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 29, 2013, 12:48:25 AM
Where are the Sonnen fans at? ;D
... I want to beat you up a little bit. :(
Lol, I literately feel like I am in morning.
Like the way Sonnen wanted to beat up Jones? Lol
*wrist*
*Big toe*
So what's your opinions on Tyson Fury (not his theatrics, but in ring)?
Also does anyone here go to watch any live fights or tournaments in their local areas? Not necessarily big major events but also some of the smaller home events as well.
I've never been to a live fight personally. From what I hear, UFC shows at least, aren't really worth it because you're never actually right next to the cage due to media seating and whatnot which pushes spectators further back and because of the nature of the ground game, it's boring to watch live because you can't see what's really happening.
In other news, I just got done defending MMA against Cvalda's ignorance in the Popular Things thread. My God, it amazes me how stupid some people can be.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 29, 2013, 10:55:42 PM
In other news, I just got done defending MMA against Cvalda's ignorance in the Popular Things thread. My God, it amazes me how stupid some people can be.
Classy mod behavior.
QuoteMy God, it amazes me how stupid some people can be.
Well, one would assume all those blows to the head would lead to
some slight cognitive decline ;D
Trololololo! :laugh:
Folks.. .agree to disagree.. and do it respectfully :P k?
Quote from: Cvalda on Apr 29, 2013, 11:01:45 PM
QuoteMy God, it amazes me how stupid some people can be.
Well, one would assume all those blows to the head would lead to some slight cognitive decline ;D
Indeed, you've obviously taken a few yourself.
You can't just come back with the same comeback I already posted, that's just weak. :-\
I want to wrestle Cvalda in the octagon.
...lol.
In other news, Tito Ortiz seems to think in his prime, he could beat Jon Jones. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1623004-ufc-veteran-tito-ortiz-says-that-in-his-prime-he-would-beat-perfect-jon-jones) I'm not sure if I'm supposed to laughing with him or at him.
And it would seem our old friend Fedor is still making headlines. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1623201-dana-white-finkelstein-blew-it-in-every-way-possible-with-fedor-emelianenko) Who remembers seeing Vadim Finkelstein in the audience at Henderson vs. Melendez? I certainly do.
The f**k happened in here..!? :-X
Anywayz:
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:laugh:
The homies
Doom and
Cvalda expressed their thoughts about MMA, I then challenged
C to a wrestling match,
Aspie lol'd. Just another day in the Galaxy.
Quote from: Gates on Apr 30, 2013, 04:40:36 PM
Anywayz:
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2013-04/75687680.jpg
:laugh:
Seriously, how embarrassed is he right now? Talking all that ish and did absolutely nothing. Lol
He's likely going to retire. I'm sure he knew that was his last shot at something big.
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 30, 2013, 05:03:08 PM
Seriously, how embarrassed is he right now? Talking all that ish and did absolutely nothing. Lol
About as embarrassed as Nick Diaz should be, but aint... ;)
Spoiler
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Who else thinks Kongo will be cut following his loss to Nelson? I'm pretty sure that's three in a row now.
Nah, I don't think so. I was actually looking into that after the KO and I agree with a lot of the fans that were saying that the HW division is too thin at the moment.
Heavies can be cut though. Remember Todd Duffee and Tim Hague? They didn't last too long. Sure Duffee is back but I don't see him lasting.
Not arguing with you there, but I think Dana will keep him around for at least one or two more fights.
Fuel TV interview with Sonnen (http://www.fuel.tv/ufctonight/videos/chael-sonnen-calls-out-wanderlei-silva/). Would love to see him fight Wandi. 8)
Female Sailor triangle chokes rapist (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314631/US-sailor-thwarts-Dubai-bus-driver-rapist-putting-strangehold-thighs-beating-submission.html)
Damn savage MMA people...
LOL
She should've been using the buddy system. Nevertheless, I'm glad she's ok.
Quote from: Master Chief on May 01, 2013, 04:15:19 PM
She should've been using the buddy system.
Especially in Dubai... why the hell would she go on shore leave alone.
Exactly! When I was satationed overseas and on leave, we used to be at least 10 deep when we ventured off.
I love stories like this...lowlife thought he had the over but --wake up!-- get choked, mutt... :D
She shoulda snapped his f**king neck...
Quote from: ScardyFox on May 01, 2013, 03:46:33 PM
Female Sailor triangle chokes rapist (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314631/US-sailor-thwarts-Dubai-bus-driver-rapist-putting-strangehold-thighs-beating-submission.html)
Damn savage MMA people...
Evil savagery, YOU SEE WHAT THIS BARBARISM IS DOING TO SOCIETY?!?!
But seriously, this is wonderful. I'm glad she's OK. I always tell my lady friends they should learn how to grapple for just this reason.
Quote from: Master Chief on May 01, 2013, 02:11:34 PM
Not arguing with you there, but I think Dana will keep him around for at least one or two more fights.
Fuel TV interview with Sonnen (http://www.fuel.tv/ufctonight/videos/chael-sonnen-calls-out-wanderlei-silva/). Would love to see him fight Wandi. 8)
Ha, had to happen sooner or later. I think Wandi is the only person Chael has left on his shit list.
Called it. Told you so Chief! (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1625700-cheick-kongo-finished-ufc-contract-at-ufc-159-not-expected-to-renew-deal)
:o You sure did. I will never, ever, question you again. ;)
That's right.
I'd like to see him compete in Bellator. It'll give their HW division some much-needed depth.
http://www.bjpenn.com/roy-nelson-says-he-will-fight-cormier-but-only-as-a-205-title-eliminator/ (http://www.bjpenn.com/roy-nelson-says-he-will-fight-cormier-but-only-as-a-205-title-eliminator/)
Ha..!
Neva happen...
Haha. Nope!
I don't see how people believe he would just plow through Jones.
I'm still in morning...
You shouldn't be. You should be happy that you're alive to see the greatest fighter in UFC history. Ha. ;)
Jones barely got a warm-up out of that fight. Credit where it's due though because Sonnen did bring it just like many of us thought he would.
Now Nelson at 205, I like. The guy might actually look like an athlete if he made weight :P
EDIT: You guys think Chael is a gangster? His mum will f**king shoot you. No, really. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1627619-chael-sonnens-mom-tells-full-story-about-night-she-almost-shot-yushin-okami?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma)
I love Mark Hunt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nioaxb2Nqms#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nioaxb2Nqms#ws)
Lol. Silva vs Velasquez 2 makes more sense than Jones vs. Sonnen but it's just as marketable :P
Nobody is allowed to say Sonnen for another week due to morning reasons!
Morning reasons?
FFS I keep leaving the U out.
For mourning reasons.
Don't cry ScardyFox. There will always be next time, like when Wandi removes his head from his shoulders 8)
Amirite Chief? ;D
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Haha! Sonnen won't stand and bang with Wandi, that's for sure.
He stood and banged with Silva.
I think Wandi hits harder than Silva, but isn't as accurate with his strikes. Wandi will come at you guns blazing so Sonnen would be an idiot to stand with him. He can't handle a full barrage of strikes.
I actually think Sonnen landed a lucky blow against Silva early in the fight and it stunned Silva enough he never recovered. The second fight Silva looked much more crisp.
I agree with the Wanderlai comments, I was just putting it out there.
In the first round yeah. He was able to use his jab effectively enough to get Silva to back peddle and shoot in for his takedowns. I honestly think Sonnen would've done better in the 2nd fight had he not been stunned prior to throwing the failed spinning back elbow.
From what I remember in the first fight, I believe it was a straight right to the jaw that seemed to stun Silva. It was one of those Joe Rogan, "Oh he hurt him!" moments.
I remember being stunned that Sonnen actually landed a straight right telegraphed as all get out to Silva's jaw without being deflected, dodged in some way.
Silva didn't respect Sonnen's striking at all in the first fight and was probably more concerned about being taken down, hence why his hands were low for the better part of that 1st round. But of course, Silva apologists would have you believe it was due to his bruised rib.
Quote from: ScardyFox on May 05, 2013, 07:47:22 AM
Nobody is allowed to say Sonnen for another week due to morning reasons!
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:P
Quote from: Gates on May 08, 2013, 04:44:20 PM
Quote from: ScardyFox on May 05, 2013, 07:47:22 AM
Nobody is allowed to say Sonnen for another week due to morning reasons!
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd115/BKLYNGates/sonnen_zpsb34c16c9.jpg
:P
Spoiler
dun watch at work or in polite company!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JHGWolwHHU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JHGWolwHHU#)
http://www.bjpenn.com/9-fighters-including-leonard-garcia-removed-from-ufc-roster/ (http://www.bjpenn.com/9-fighters-including-leonard-garcia-removed-from-ufc-roster/)
Leonard Garcia being cut proves that an exciting fighting style won't save you anymore. Unless of course, your name happens to be Wanderlei Silva.
Well hello there...phantom (pun intended). Where have you been?
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 08, 2013, 06:29:43 PM
http://www.bjpenn.com/9-fighters-including-leonard-garcia-removed-from-ufc-roster/ (http://www.bjpenn.com/9-fighters-including-leonard-garcia-removed-from-ufc-roster/)
Leonard Garcia being cut proves that an exciting fighting style won't save you anymore. Unless of course, your name happens to be Wanderlei Silva.
Yeah but Wandi
was a champ...Leonard has never been anything except a punching bag... :P
This is true. He's was really good at getting whooped in the WEC and obviously, the UFC.
Def an exciting guy to watch, lots of heart...but no real talent whatsoever, unfortunately...
No doubt. I always new what kind of fight it would be when he stepped in the ring, but so did his opponents. They knew his style and were able to see his punches, especially his overhand right, every time.
I can't believe he lasted as long as he did. He was so lucky to be fighting in front of moronic judges, especially after the first Nam Phan fight. He honestly thought he won that?
Ok, we have some good fights coming up in UFC 160. Gates, wanna' try and get your money back? >:-)
I've got:
1. Velasquez
2. Hunt
3. Texeira
4. Maynard
5. Noons
6. Story
7. Bermudez
I have Doom's picks except Hunt -- aaahf**kyou, Doom (these allergies ::))...
See anything you like..? 8)
Your boy JDS will have his grumpy fight mug cracked apart by the Hunt Fist of DOOM (see what I did there?).
The rumblings of Silva Vs Sonnen have begun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=drio3nJov9Q# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=drio3nJov9Q#)!
At least he doesn't want to f**k him.
Haha. Suck his blood! I really hope this fight happens.
Here are my picks:
1. Velasquez
2. Hunt JDS
3. Texeira Te Huna
4. Maynard
5. Noons Cerrone
6. Story Pyle - This 37 year old has class.
7. Bermudez
Psh, I can't stand Cerrone. I want to see him cry like he almost did after the Pettis fight.
Haha...Speaking of Pettis, I believe he's going to put an end to Aldo's winning streak when they fight this summer.
Man, I hope so. I like Aldo, don't get me wrong but I'm honestly wondering if he's becoming a bit like Anderson, mentally. In that he thinks he's the best and no one can stop him.
This transgender fighter BS gets under my skin. Just saw a commercial for an interview with Fallen on inside mma.
That's "Fallon". Why, what transpired in said interview?
It was just a advert for it, the interview hasn't aired yet. I just think the whole thing is BS. A transgender fighter has no business in their with women. Maybe if he had the surgery done before he was fully developed it wouldn't be an issue to me, or as much of one. Fact is, he has an unfair advantage in strength and durability over his natural counterparts.
This is perhaps the most divisive issue in MMA right now and I'm surprised it hasn't caught on it mainstream media. This is big news, no doubt about it. Experts are maintaining there is no difference in her size and that she can compete with women. I don't know who to believe.
People don't want to touch it. Personally I am not much for PC BS. It annoys me.
Experts are trying to placate.
Men have stronger bones, harder bones. We have a more robust reserve of muscle in general on average. He won't be able to generate as much testosterone now, but the ground for or the foundation if you will, is there still.
Men generally have longer limbs then women, even when the two people are the same height. Longer limbs give you longer levers to exert more force. On top of having larger bones give you more space to place muscle on which again adds to more inherent strength. I could go on, but the point is (to sum it up), all these little things add up. Thats why if you place a man and a woman next to each other, who are the same height and the same weight, and the same build (more or less), on average the man will be significantly stronger.
More strength (though yes, it will never be as high as a normal mans), harder bones to hit and check with, etc. It's not right. Again, if he got the surgery before he was fully developed, maybe. Now? Its unfair in my books.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2013, 04:49:26 AM
Your boy JDS will have his grumpy fight mug cracked apart by the Hunt Fist of DOOM (see what I did there?).
Haaha...so put up, or shut up! --
scared money don't make money... :P
Quote from: Master Chief on May 16, 2013, 02:07:17 PM
3. Texeira Te Huna
I'll take that, you down..? 8)
Quote from: Gates on May 17, 2013, 09:39:52 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2013, 04:49:26 AM
Your boy JDS will have his grumpy fight mug cracked apart by the Hunt Fist of DOOM (see what I did there?).
Haaha...so put up, or shut up! -- scared money don't make money... :P
Alright. $20, how's that? Easy sum to work with.
Deal... 8)
Now lets see if Chief takes the action...
Haha. I'm down, but not sure if that particular fight is worth the usual bet.
Quote from: Gates on May 17, 2013, 11:28:08 PM
Deal... 8)
Oh how I can't wait to lick up your tears when JDS is crying for his momma.
Haha, Doom is out for blood!
Like a wise man once said, "I LOVE IT! KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING!!!! I LOVE IT MAN!"
Quote from: Master Chief on May 17, 2013, 11:48:24 PM
Haha. I'm down, but not sure if that particular fight is worth the usual bet.
I hear that, lulz...
Whatever you wanna do...I'm cool with half the usual...
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 17, 2013, 11:55:07 PM
Quote from: Gates on May 17, 2013, 11:28:08 PM
Deal... 8)
Oh how I can't wait to lick up your tears when JDS is crying for his momma.
YES..!
I luvs it... 8)
Quote from: Gates on May 18, 2013, 12:13:14 AM
Quote from: Master Chief on May 17, 2013, 11:48:24 PM
Haha. I'm down, but not sure if that particular fight is worth the usual bet.
I hear that, lulz...
Whatever you wanna do...I'm cool with half the usual...
Deal! E-handshake. 8)
Man, what is going on with Belfort. When did he become a K1 level kicker. That was awesome.
Poor Rockhold. I hope this doesn't affect him too badly in the long run. Dana seems pretty quick these days to pounce on Strikeforce guys who don't deliver. At least Souza pulled off the win.
That was an amazing kick!
We'll probably never hear of Rockhold again.
You really think so? I mean, it's Vitor Belfort. It's not like Luke lost to a nobody.
I do believe this was his chance to prove he is supposed to be here, we'll see.
I'm glad he got KO'd the way he did after what I saw during the weigh-ins.
What happened? I'd look it up myself but I'm on a deadline right now :P
Haha...glad you're making the Galaxy a priority. ;) Rockhold got all up in Belfort's grill and Belfort pushed him away...seconds later Belfort gestured to the crowd the ol' slice of of the throat with the words he's dead.
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Haha...amazeballs... :laugh:
:laugh: awesome!
Quote from: Gates on May 20, 2013, 04:34:52 PM
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Haha...amazeballs... :laugh:
Is it just me or does Luke look completely lost in trying to defend himself?
^ Yeah, totally lost...lulz...looks like he was expecting something coming from his right...lolnope..! :laugh:
Anywayz, tomorrow night's the big night, Doom/Chief...good luck, guys... 8)
Spoiler
Just be ready to pay me..! :P
Quote from: Gates on May 24, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
Spoiler
Just be ready to pay me..! :P
I hate you >:(
Haha. Good fights last night. Was not expecting the bully to get bullied like that.
JDS fought excellent against that beast and ended it perfectly!
Damn Te Huna! Enjoy that money Gates, I'll be getting it back real soon! ;)
Event filled me with sadness once again.
Why so sad?
Quote from: Master Chief on May 26, 2013, 04:08:31 PM
Haha. Good fights last night. Was not expecting the bully to get bullied like that.
JDS fought excellent against that beast and ended it perfectly!
Damn Te Huna! Enjoy that money Gates, I'll be getting it back real soon! ;)
Hunt just needed some cardio and he might've won that. JDS must've been frustrated as hell though when that right hand wasn't putting him out, especially after that knockdown in the 1st.
I really wanted Hunt to win. I really wanted to see MMA version of Cinderella man.
you and I both man. tell him to lose some weight first.
I did tell him to lose weight... then he punched my head into high orbit...
I hope he claws his way back...
I want to see Hunt and Big Country go at it.
Quote from: Master Chief on May 27, 2013, 02:51:43 PM
I want to see Hunt and Big Country to at it.
I want to see you DEAD... I mean I'd like to see that too.
Quote from: Master Chief on May 27, 2013, 02:51:43 PM
I want to see Hunt and Big Country to at it.
I think that's the most logical step. Realistically who else can they fight? Overeem is fighting Browne, JDS will likely get a rematch with Velasquez, Struve is out with a broken jaw, and Mir is ranked higher than both of them.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 26, 2013, 03:51:30 AM
Quote from: Gates on May 24, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
Spoiler
Just be ready to pay me..! :P
I hate you >:(
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Then I was like: 8)
Quote from: Master Chief on May 26, 2013, 04:08:31 PM
Damn Te Huna! Enjoy that money Gates, I'll be getting it back real soon! ;)
Fo'sure, baby..! Next one's the tie breaker, oh yeah..! 8)
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Haha! That's cool!
Really wanted to see Sonnen and Wandi, but I know this card won't disappoint.
UFC on Fox (http://www.ufc.com/event/ufc-on-fox-sports-1-1#/fight)
Heh, good idea putting MCGregor on there with the amount of Irish in Boston.
Shogun/Sonnen is a mistake and nothing more than the UFC catering to the fans who want action. As far as actual relevance goes, it's meaningless. They should've made Shogun/Rashad.
Heh....
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b9XwpKFl4i8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b9XwpKFl4i8#)
Perfect place for a clown like him.
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/daAt0?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma (http://bleacherreport.com/tb/daAt0?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma)
Can anyone find the least bit of sense in this? His head alone would weigh 205 lbs, like someone mentioned in the comments :P
Haha Thiago said Bigfoot was sad because he left the team.
This post: "Give Bigfoot a break. It's clear that there is some bad blood between the two and it's a lot better that Bigfoot tries to fight Silva in a regulated environment, rather than showing up at his house late and night and eating his goats or dragging Thiago's woman off, climbing up to the top of the Christ the Redeemer statue and fighting off planes." :laugh:
That's funny especially since I can see it happening in my head, oh Lord :D :D :D
Whatever, Bigfoot will forever be a contender in the HW division so I guess he figured he might as well call out a smaller person.
Also, Jones is confirmed to fight Gustaffson later this year. So long to the "top contender".
Great article explaining why MMA is the purest sport out there. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1681984-why-mma-is-the-purest-professional-sport?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma) These are the same arguments I use when explaining, or the defending, the sport to others.
There's a hapkido school here in Toronto called Eagle Hapkido. The owner and head instructor is Grand Master Hwang In-Shik and I've bene told by former students of his that he is exactly that, a wacky old man who gets off on hurting his students. I train out of East-West Hapkido also in Toronto and the owner and head instructor is Keith Stewart, a black belt under Master Hwang. He's told me some unsettling stories to say the least. I think those sorts of instructors come from messed up backgrounds. For example, Master Hwang grew up in Korea during the Korean War so who knows what sort of atrocities he personally witnessed that may have scarred him for life.
What do you study, Predaker?
I studied Tae Kwon Do, Hap Ki Do, Shaolin Chuan Kung Fu, Tai Chi Chuan Kung Fu, and Moo Sa Sool (80% martial arts weaponry.)
One of the fun but not so useful benefits of my kung fu training is that whenever I watch film with fighting, it doesn't just look like a bunch of people moving fast in a confusing blur anymore. I can see and recognize exactly what is happening, no matter how fast they move. Yay for camera tricks lol
When I was little I used to have dreams of people attacking me and I could never move fast enough to get away. It was like being trapped in slow motion. Because of my training in traditional martial arts, I eventually could do just about anything in my dreams. Don't forget to remember your dreams and sleep well.
-bow-
I hear you about never forgetting about your dreams. My worst fear is being cornered by multiple assailants and having to defend a loved on, no matter who it may be. That was part of my motivation to want to learn hapkido. I wasn't getting that comprehensive self-defense from JKD or savate.
What sort of hapkido have you been taught? I ask because each school seems to have a different approach to it. Mine teaches everything; striking, grappling, joint locks, throws, and at the higher levels, weapons.
Hi Doom,
Parts of training included martial arts fundamentals like meditation, ki gong (breathing exercise,) philosophy, stances, footwork, proper striking technique, basic kicks, falling law, Korean terminology, baduk (Go), etc. More specifically to Hap Ki-Do would be joint locks, pressure points, throwing, grabbing, seizing, ground work, certain sweeps, defense against knife, defense against gun, defend against multiple attackers, so on and so forth.
Yes there are all kinds of different training, as martial arts is so ancient and widespread. Some schools teach in a family environment (like mine did) with the Master as a father figure and fellow students as brothers and sisters. Other schools train as teacher(Sifu) to student or in a religious environment. Nice talking with you and I wish you well in your training!
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 01, 2013, 04:13:26 PM
Hi Doom,
Parts of training included martial arts fundamentals like meditation, ki gong (breathing exercise,) philosophy, stances, footwork, proper striking technique, basic kicks, falling law, Korean terminology, baduk (Go), etc. More specifically to Hap Ki-Do would be joint locks, pressure points, throwing, grabbing, seizing, ground work, certain sweeps, defense against knife, defense against gun, defend against multiple attackers, so on and so forth.
My school is much more informal. I train with any of the senior students that happen to be free whenever I'm around with Sir coming around and giving me pointers as needed. It works well enough and I basically get private training sessions without paying extra, aha. I haven't done any meditation or breathing exercises. Maybe those are reserved for the senior students but with me, they've just got me working very basic techniques and helping me stay loose and relaxed.
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 01, 2013, 04:13:26 PM
Yes there are all kinds of different training, as martial arts is so ancient and widespread. Some schools teach in a family environment (like mine did) with the Master as a father figure and fellow students as brothers and sisters. Other schools train as teacher(Sifu) to student or in a religious environment. Nice talking with you and I wish you well in your training!
Thanks for the kinds words but, why did you make it sound as if you're leaving?
You mean...this is goodbye?! :'(
I recently stopped fighting for personal reasons (gf can't stand to see me beat to hell), but I used to get in the cage. I learned Kenpo, Jiu Jitsu (by far my weakest but it is nice for trying to get back to my feet), Haganah, and messed around learning pressure points and weak tissue spots.
Did you stop competing or did you stop training altogether?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 04, 2013, 08:12:00 AM
Did you stop competing or did you stop training altogether?
Both. Now I'm just working out trying to stay strong but healthy to get ready for enlistment.
You gave up training?! Dude, big mistake. I'm sorry but that seems like a foolish choice to make. You can't just give up on years of training simply because one person is uncomfortable with the idea of you taking hits. If anything, that benefits you both since you can defend both you and her should the need ever arise.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 04, 2013, 08:37:32 AM
You gave up training?! Dude, big mistake. I'm sorry but that seems like a foolish choice to make. You can't just give up on years of training simply because one person is uncomfortable with the idea of you taking hits. If anything, that benefits you both since you can defend both you and her should the need ever arise.
I was pulling more than just punches. It wasn't formal cage fighting. She was fine when it was just bruises and gashes, but when the injuries got more serious she told me I had to make a choice. I will probably start training again when I heal up some, it really does make me feel better.
Don't ever quit on martial arts. It takes years to master and a disciplined journey in which you're accomplishing things isn't one you simply hop off of. Surely she can understand that.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 04, 2013, 09:00:27 AM
Don't ever quit on martial arts. It takes years to master and a disciplined journey in which you're accomplishing things isn't one you simply hop off of. Surely she can understand that.
You're right. I will get back into it once my body is up to snuff. She doesn't mind the training, just gets pissed off when I come home bleeding and hop right in the shower.
No not today.
Well, at the core of every martial arts philosphy is discipline. You always look to not engage an opponent because the martial arts of course were first developed by people who had to, in some cases, defend themselves from an invading force (e.g. Thailand and muay thai, Korea and hapkido). Consequently, they were literally killing people with their defense systems. In modern day schools, unless you're learning something very old school, the approach to teaching is to reach the most amount of students as possible and teach them as much as is humanly possible in an hour-long class. I should know as I've done PR work for the MMA gym I used to train at. There simply isn't a method for teaching that discipline to a class of 20+ students especially when your goal is to make money. To learn that, you have to train in a smaller environment and have to learn the ins and outs of whatever discipline(s) you're training in. You can't just learn let's say a jab in one day then move on. It takes a long time to perfect.
In the case of a street fight, I've always been taught to only use as much force as is necessary then high-tail it outta there.
Doom speaks the truth. It is a long way to the top of the mountain in martial arts training and there is no easy/fast shortcut to the top. Take it one step at a time and keep moving forward. If you stumble, get right back up.
"The hard way is the easy way. The easy way is the hard way."
So surreal.
I'm still in disbelief and probably will be for the next couple of days. Just...Wow.
Anderson Silva is still one of the greatest fighters of our time. He lost last night because he lost the hunger. He's been unbeaten since 2004, won something like 17 straight, undefeated in the UFC in two weight classes and is pushing 40. I think he'd take Weidman or anybody in the game if he was actually motivated and hungry for victory.
I am very happy for Weidman
Anderson wasn't even striking. He was standing around playing silly buggers, now he does do that as a strategy, but it was blown overboard this time. Weidman even stopped fighting in the 1st rd, but his corner was able to clear his head. Anderson should have had the fight wrapped up by then, but no, he continued the games long after they had taken effect and started to wear off.
Anderson lost that fight. It could have been anyone with a decent punch who beat him on that night.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: this is why GSP is the best fighter in the world.
He may not always finish. He may not have the most exciting fighting style in the world. But God dammit, the guy FIGHTS. He doesn't dance about in front of his opponent acting like he's hot shit, thinking he's Roy Jones Jr. GSP is far classier and a better example of what it means to be a 'martial artist'.
f**k Silva. Karma bit him in the ass last night and he deserved it.
It's weird because outside the ring Silva is a nice silly guy. Almost childlike, but lots of class and respect.
In the ring though... he turns into something else that comes off very disrespectful, annoying and cocky to a lot of people but! It wins fights.
I believe Silva knew his striking wasn't working early on, he wasn't doing any damage, Weidman was stronger and not afraid of him and he had to desperately do something. Which meant acting like a dick to get inside Weidman's head and guess what.... that didn't work either because Weidman is just a better fighter. Some people say Anderson didn't try and if he didn't act like a "clown" he would have won and I disagree, it might have looked that way on camera, but inside the cage Silva did everything he could early on, he was dancing, striking, tried to press, trolled Weidman, and he knew Weidman wasn't falling for any of it and eventually got knocked out.
That's my opinion, that's what I saw. A better fighter KO'd Silva, that's really hard for people to accept.
Yeah, I'd agree with you...to an extent. Weidman was definitely very hesistant in round one and when the second round got underway, things changed. Right after Silva threw the front kick, I think Weidman just said to himself, "f**k you and your stupid mind games. This is the part where you go down."
To me it just looked like Silva got caught showboating. It has worked in EVERY fight aside from the Sonnen fights for him in the UFC. He just finally got caught. It is amazing to me how many people are hesitant to throw at his unprotected face because they are worried that they will be caught in a counter while his hands are at his waist. Weidman just said f**k it and went for it.
Did you guys hear the latest interview with Ed Soares? He said quote, "[Silva] might have taken it too far." He might have? Pfft.
Here's the full interview. (http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/7/8/4504960/ed-soares-anderson-silva-may-have-taken-it-too-far-this-time)
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Wrong... just wrong lol.
Silva wants a rematch after all. I'd like to see Weidman shock the world again but I have a feeling Silva will be chewing on his bones when this is over.
I'm going to UFC165. :)
Enjoy it!
I'm sure I will. My gf wants to go so I couldn't say no :laugh:
Quote from: PHANTOM on Jul 12, 2013, 01:42:57 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 11, 2013, 08:02:15 PM
Silva wants a rematch after all. I'd like to see Weidman shock the world again but I have a feeling Silva will be chewing on his bones when this is over.
I really want Anderson Silva to go away already, I totally respect him as a fighter, he is a legend, but....
no more bro, pass the torch already. I hope Weidman wins.
Thing is, Weidman is a great fighter and he saw past Anderon's mind games. The real test now will be if he can survive the onslaught from an aggressive Silva. Remember what happened to Chael at UFC 148? If Weidman can make it out of the first round, he might have a good chance. I do give him the mental edge though because Weidman already has a win over Silva and, he had offered a rematch even before the fight happened the first time so his head space is already where it needs to be.
Quote from: coolbreeze on Jul 12, 2013, 12:05:47 PM
I'm sure I will. My gf wants to go so I couldn't say no :laugh:
Enjoy it!! What kind of seats did you get?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 12, 2013, 05:17:12 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Jul 12, 2013, 01:42:57 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 11, 2013, 08:02:15 PM
Silva wants a rematch after all. I'd like to see Weidman shock the world again but I have a feeling Silva will be chewing on his bones when this is over.
I really want Anderson Silva to go away already, I totally respect him as a fighter, he is a legend, but....
no more bro, pass the torch already. I hope Weidman wins.
Thing is, Weidman is a great fighter and he saw past Anderon's mind games. The real test now will be if he can survive the onslaught from an aggressive Silva. Remember what happened to Chael at UFC 148? If Weidman can make it out of the first round, he might have a good chance. I do give him the mental edge though because Weidman already has a win over Silva and, he had offered a rematch even before the fight happened the first time so his head space is already where it needs to be.
I agree, but the thing about Chael's rematch, he was too anxious and jumped the gun in the fight. He threw a spinning back fist which is very stupid to do against someone like Anderson Silva, fell on the floor like a dumbass, and lastly didn't get come up to his feet immediately which was a fatal error. Three fatal errors when he had this fight in the bag at the beginning and just needed to stay calm.
Weidman ain't making those mistakes, he's too smart for that. Weidman ain't falling for the Spider mind games from hell, and Weidman is getting better everyday. But, I still don't know, it will be the biggest rematch in history.
Everyone I know is already writing off Weidman. It's funny how just a week ago, those same people said he had a chance and would win. Now all of a sudden, he has zero chance. The MMA community is a funny one sometimes.
If Silva has his mind right he's still the most dangerous fighter in MMA not named Jon Jones. I would think its infinitely harder for Weidman to keep his title against Silva in the rematch if Silva comes out focused. If Weidman beats Silva twice to retain the championship, then he probably goes on a huge winning streak because Silva has already flattened that division and Weidman will have successfully dethroned him.
Weidman has a slight chance, as every underdog does. I think he can avoid being suckered into mind games again, he'll be fine.
I don't think Silva will use mind games, I think he will come out in Destroyer mode like he did the second Sonnen fight. Even when he was taken down and pounded on in the first round he still looked much more in control and wasn't taking the damage he was in the first fight.
Weidman gassed too and I'm sure it didn't help that Silva was able to get up fairly quickly. Then again, he was out of shape considering he was out of action for 1.5 years.
I'm not arguing that, I just think you should see a more tactical Silva in the rematch. He's been beat on before but he got a big slice of the humble pie that last fight. I doubt you'll see him drop his hands and act a fool in this fight.
You know man, I gotta feelin.... that Anderson Silva is gonna do it again just to show Weidman he ain't scarD like "look I'm dropping my hands again bro! Come knock me out kid" and then bam! Front kick to the face, Silva wins.
That would be hilarious.
That'd would be crazy. Crazier still if he dropped his hand and Weidman put him to sleep again.
I think the only advantage Weidman will have, if any, realistically speaking in the rematch is the wrestling game. Once he's in better shape, I think he could control the fight for five rounds for sure.
I think Silva will take the rematch. He'll take it seriously, make adjustments and go for the kill.
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 19, 2013, 12:13:42 AM
Hendricks is going to obliterate GSP.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2013, 03:25:13 AM
Hahahahahahahaha...wait, what? Which planet are you living on?
Quote from: ScardyFox on Mar 19, 2013, 07:38:56 AM
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 19, 2013, 12:13:42 AM
Hendricks is going to obliterate GSP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M#)
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 19, 2013, 07:58:26 AM
Just you wait!!! You'll see! You'll all see!!!
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THE TIME IS NIGH!!!
Keep dreaming. Damn shame I'm missing this card on account of a surprise birthday party :(
lol it will only be a dream for another three days or so. Can't wait. tbh I don't think you'll miss out on much, besides a trademark Hendricks KO in rd 1 ;D The only other fight that has my attentin is Rory vs Robbie. That should be a scrap, Chael vs Rashad has too much ingredients for a wrestling match for me to get any hopes up.
what an outrage, Hendricks battered GSP for 3 of 5 rds for sure, the other two were close. This is worse then the first GSP/Penn decision. At least GSP lay and prayed the decision in that fight, he did nothing here, NOTHING!
Battered my ass. If Gustaffson couldn't dethrone Jones after the beating he laid on him, Hendricks wasn't going to win with a bruises on GSP's face.
This was more decisive then Gus/Jones easily. Although I think Gus won too, that fight had a few close rounds, but Jon dominated from halfway through rd 4 onwards.
GSP never dominated a moment of this fight. Hendricks smashed him in rd 1, dropped him, stopped his takedowns, took gsp down, but 2 of 3 judges gave rd 1 to GSP wtf.
not even close
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GSP lost that fight, no two ways about.
That he did. Belt should be Hendricks'
The point is, GSP won, plain and simple. If you're going to beat the champ, IMO, you need to do it decisively.
Anyway, I'm more interested in what GSP does next. The guy sounded like he was on the verge of an emotional breakdown when Joe interviewed him.
Hendricks deserves a rematch.
The judges who scored the fight should be ashamed of themselves.
Dana White thinks that Hendricks won, so I'm sure he'll make it happen. Probably won't be in Vegas either.
Check out his interview on bleacherreport.com
Dana White's interview (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1854026-gsp-vs-hendricks-results-dana-white-right-to-call-for-rematch)
Any interested in MMA should watch the Undisputed Trilogy. The first film is more of a boxing movie though, and it's not nearly as good as 2 and 3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX0QZoE3pvs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX0QZoE3pvs#ws)
Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 18, 2013, 05:44:47 PM
Dana White thinks that Hendricks won, so I'm sure he'll make it happen. Probably won't be in Vegas either.
Check out his interview on bleacherreport.com
Dana White's interview (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1854026-gsp-vs-hendricks-results-dana-white-right-to-call-for-rematch)
f**k Dana White. GSP is hurting and needs time off.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 18, 2013, 04:47:15 PM
The point is, GSP won, plain and simple. If you're going to beat the champ, IMO, you need to do it decisively.
Anyway, I'm more interested in what GSP does next. The guy sounded like he was on the verge of an emotional breakdown when Joe interviewed him.
lol, it was as decisive as you go before rounds start getting scored 10-8 and they still gave it to gsp. This wasn't a close fight. The numbers might be sort of close, yet still in favor of Hendricks. But under the judging criteria of effective striking, Johny was FAR more effective. Also, the takedowns in the stats are inaccurate. They do not include this trip takedown that Hendricks landed on gsp who was running away from Johny's left hand, which looked like a gsp slip:
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 19, 2013, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 18, 2013, 05:44:47 PM
Dana White thinks that Hendricks won, so I'm sure he'll make it happen. Probably won't be in Vegas either.
Check out his interview on bleacherreport.com
Dana White's interview (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1854026-gsp-vs-hendricks-results-dana-white-right-to-call-for-rematch)
f**k Dana White. GSP is hurting and needs time off.
agreed. He's hurting from the beating he received. The other guy hurts too. His fists hurt from punching gsp in the face.
Dude, don't be facetious. It's not just the beating he's hurting from. I just hope he recovers well and figures out what's important.
Fairly late, but fantastic display of defending a title on St. Pierre's part.
And by display, I mean the after math....
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DAAAMMMMNN
I wonder if GSP's case of injury will lead to further studies of long-term effects of being a professional mixed martial artist. We still don't really know much about that topic other than it's safer than most other sports.
Not necessarily.
Is MMA really safer... (http://www.cagepotato.com/myth-busting-is-mma-really-safer-than-boxing/)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 22, 2013, 12:30:07 PM
I wonder if GSP's case of injury will lead to further studies of long-term effects of being a professional mixed martial artist. We still don't really know much about that topic other than it's safer than most other sports.
How so? Forgive my ignorance of the topic, I'm just curious how being punched and kicked repeatedly is supposed to be safer then chasing a ball x3
Quote from: Sabby on Nov 22, 2013, 10:31:49 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 22, 2013, 12:30:07 PM
I wonder if GSP's case of injury will lead to further studies of long-term effects of being a professional mixed martial artist. We still don't really know much about that topic other than it's safer than most other sports.
How so? Forgive my ignorance of the topic, I'm just curious how being punched and kicked repeatedly is supposed to be safer then chasing a ball x3
MMA is "safer" because fights can end in various different ways. A fighter can submit any time if they don't feel they can continue, while some guys might fight on with a broken arm or losing vision in one eye, some would just say nope, done, on the spot.
It's safer than boxing because it's not just blows to the upper body and head. You can get hit or submitted on just about every body part: head, neck, arms, body, legs, even ankles so it's not just repeated blows to the same spot like boxing or even football.
But any sport where you're getting hit in the head with regularity is dangerous, football seasons are longer than ever and going into one UFC bout is the build up of usually 8-12 weeks of training that includes sparring and taking more damage.
GSP should retire on top. He has nothing left to prove and only his mind and body to lose. Always one of my favorite fighters and seems like a cool dude as well.
A person that thinks American football/Rugby/Hockey isn't dangerous just because their are balls and/or pads/pucks has never played any of those sports.
I took boxing classes when I was younger and have done my fair share of Army combatives and some of the hardest hits I've ever taken have come from the football field. I remember being crushed on a football kickoff and was so out of it I stumbled over to the other teams side of the field. Then when I realized where I was at, I tried to get back to my side of the field and ended up drawing a penalty for having twelve men on the field.
I'm fairly certain I was concust, but this is before they checked all that stuff all the time.
Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 22, 2013, 03:14:49 PM
Not necessarily.
Is MMA really safer... (http://www.cagepotato.com/myth-busting-is-mma-really-safer-than-boxing/)
I can't access the link at work but I like to think it is. Boxing has its share of participants who have now suffered irreparable brain damage (Ali, anyone?). GSP it seems is the first fighter to show some signs of mental distress which I don't doubt are sport-related. At the present moment though, the only major injury I can recall from MMA is a shattered leg.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Nov 24, 2013, 10:23:14 PM
A person that thinks American football/Rugby/Hockey isn't dangerous just because their are balls and/or pads/pucks has never played any of those sports.
Agreed. In fact, as a result of all the padding, you're more likely to be struck even harder than if you weren't because the feeling is that you're padded so there's no problem. It's the same attitude when sparring.
The padding protects you but it also lets you focus all your energy into a hard non squishy surface.
That's why actually tackling the legs in football is a lost art with 90% of defensive players, because you can put so much force on your shoulder pads you can usually knock people off their feet anyways.
I think we are maybe a decade away from Rugby starting to have major injuries. I remember arguing about ten years ago that Rugby players were tough and had better endurance but were nowhere near the size of your typical football player. Primarily because they don't have an NCAA program where you spend three or four years developing your body and the professional leagues don't rack in the money (like the NFL) to allow their guys to have the kind of weightlifting programs that the pros in the NFL do. That said, they have gotten noticeably larger in the last decade where some guys look like they could be OLB in the NFL.
If they keep getting that big they are either going to have to go to pads OR find a way to deal with the mass injuries that are about to occur.
What, you mean, spend money on regulating safety standards to ensure player health? Kimarhi, you crazy.
They'll have to or end up with that huge settlement that the NFL just settled with its old players.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Nov 25, 2013, 07:13:39 PM
The padding protects you but it also lets you focus all your energy into a hard non squishy surface.
That's why actually tackling the legs in football is a lost art with 90% of defensive players, because you can put so much force on your shoulder pads you can usually knock people off their feet anyways.
I think we are maybe a decade away from Rugby starting to have major injuries. I remember arguing about ten years ago that Rugby players were tough and had better endurance but were nowhere near the size of your typical football player. Primarily because they don't have an NCAA program where you spend three or four years developing your body and the professional leagues don't rack in the money (like the NFL) to allow their guys to have the kind of weightlifting programs that the pros in the NFL do. That said, they have gotten noticeably larger in the last decade where some guys look like they could be OLB in the NFL.
If they keep getting that big they are either going to have to go to pads OR find a way to deal with the mass injuries that are about to occur.
lmfao how can rugby players not afford a decent weight lifting program?!? It's not like NFL guys are the only guys who even lift bro.
Look at the size difference between an NFL player and a Rugby player.
I suspect the overall difference would be the ridiculous amount of cash the NFL rakes in, compared to every other sport not named baseball in the US. And baseball has to play 162 games to rake in more money.
I'm not saying they can't lift weights, I'm saying they aren't going to have cutting edge weightlifting programs like the nfl does.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Nov 24, 2013, 10:23:14 PM
A person that thinks American football/Rugby/Hockey isn't dangerous just because their are balls and/or pads/pucks has never played any of those sports.
I wasn't implying that those sports weren't dangerous actually xD. I'm aware that any touch sport can mess you up, I just thought that the occasional tackle would be less damaging then a 20 minute fight.
I'm thinking careers in the nfl, not individual plays.
I watched the Hunt vs Bigfoot Silva fight the other day and both men took a ridiculous amount of punishment. Its hard to say that individual games of football would be worse than that fight was.
The big one goes down this weekend gents. Who's betting on whom?
If Silva comes out motivated and non arrogant I personally can't see Weidman winning.
If Silva comes out and starts that clowning around again then I think the results will be similar.
Two things help Weidman: He knows he can knock Silva out and Silva IS getting old. Some guys fight on into their forties but I remember Liddell's decline happening rather quickly at around the same age.
I really think Weidman knows what to expect, but I also don't think he'll be able to properly deal with it. His striking isn't on Silva's level so he's going to have to really rely on his ground game.
Rousey/Tate should be good too. Personally I want Tate to win just because I'm becoming weary of listening to Rousey complain about everything.
Silva seems to come out more aggressively against opponents that have defeated him. Okami didn't stand a chance against a motivated Silva. It will be hard for Weidman and the first fight Silva was doing well about not being taken to the ground.
I think Silva will take the rematch tonight because he's gonna be serious, he got away w clowning around for so long and finally paid for it. Chael Sonnen had nothing for him in the rematch. This is gonna be like Serra VS St Pierre all over again. But if Silva does lose then hats off to Weidman but Andy is still one of the greatest ever.
Wow. Silva's career most likely over due to leg break. Reminded me of Corey Hill.
By the time he rehabs the injury, conditions his body back to fighting shape, and trains up for a fight he'll most likely be over 40 years old.
He doesn't strike me as a guy that will keep taking fights like Liddell or Couture either.
Didn't always appreciate his tactics in the cage, but he was a legend and his hands were things of beauty. Speedy recovery to you Mr. Silva.
That really sucks. Love Silva, he's still one of the greatest ever and we'll see how Weidman does with the belt.
What a freak injury. At first I wasn't sure what happened until they showed the replay. :-X
I'm still shocked at that. Looks like Silva is forbidden to get his title back.
When it first happened I leapt out of my seat screaming in shock and surprise, felt kind of awkward because I was the only person at the bar who made any noise, everyone else just sat there wondering what was going on. Finally the replay happened and everyone erupted in pretty much the same way I did lmfao.
A bit disappointed, I thought anderson would get his title back, but Weidman outclassed him in this fight.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 29, 2013, 06:11:11 AM
Wow. Silva's career most likely over due to leg break. Reminded me of Corey Hill.
By the time he rehabs the injury, conditions his body back to fighting shape, and trains up for a fight he'll most likely be over 40 years old.
He doesn't strike me as a guy that will keep taking fights like Liddell or Couture either.
Didn't always appreciate his tactics in the cage, but he was a legend and his hands were things of beauty. Speedy recovery to you Mr. Silva.
His career is over. You can't fight with a fractured shin like that.
Also, f**k Ronda Rousey. I wanted Tate to win so badly :(
Let's not forget about what Browne did to Barnett! :o
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A king has his reign, and then he dies. It's inevitable.A bit melodramatic, but still appropriate...but that aint no way for a champ to go out... :-\
Sucks, but it is what it is...
Quote from: Master Chief on Dec 30, 2013, 05:04:16 PM
Let's not forget about what Browne did to Barnett! :o
And Brandao sniped the f**k out by Poirier..! That kid has talent...
Yes! I'm glad that happened. Brandoa not making weight was pathetic on his part. 8 lbs over, c'mon man!
Quote from: Master Chief on Dec 30, 2013, 05:04:16 PM
Let's not forget about what Browne did to Barnett! :o
Poor Barnett. He rushed that one, big time.
Quote from: Master Chief on Dec 30, 2013, 05:54:36 PM
Yes! I'm glad that happened. Brandoa not making weight was pathetic on his part. 8 lbs over, c'mon man!
Yup, dude's a clown...
http://www.bjpenn.com/video-team-rouseys-live-reaction-to-silvas-leg-break/ (http://www.bjpenn.com/video-team-rouseys-live-reaction-to-silvas-leg-break/)
Lawl
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 30, 2013, 06:42:56 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Dec 30, 2013, 05:04:16 PM
Let's not forget about what Browne did to Barnett! :o
Poor Barnett. He rushed that one, big time.
I was pretty surprised at the love Barnett was getting coming back, he got beat up THREE times by Mirko CroCop, who didn't have the greatest UFC run post Pride (but still one of my favorite fighters). Writing seemed to be on the wall already.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 30, 2013, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 29, 2013, 06:11:11 AM
Wow. Silva's career most likely over due to leg break. Reminded me of Corey Hill.
By the time he rehabs the injury, conditions his body back to fighting shape, and trains up for a fight he'll most likely be over 40 years old.
He doesn't strike me as a guy that will keep taking fights like Liddell or Couture either.
Didn't always appreciate his tactics in the cage, but he was a legend and his hands were things of beauty. Speedy recovery to you Mr. Silva.
His career is over. You can't fight with a fractured shin like that.
Also, f**k Ronda Rousey. I wanted Tate to win so badly :(
They expect a complete recovery. I just don't think he'll be able to quick enough before his body starts to betray him due to age.
Time to beef up them legs.
Don't skip leg days.
Aye.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 01, 2014, 12:15:47 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 30, 2013, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 29, 2013, 06:11:11 AM
Wow. Silva's career most likely over due to leg break. Reminded me of Corey Hill.
By the time he rehabs the injury, conditions his body back to fighting shape, and trains up for a fight he'll most likely be over 40 years old.
He doesn't strike me as a guy that will keep taking fights like Liddell or Couture either.
Didn't always appreciate his tactics in the cage, but he was a legend and his hands were things of beauty. Speedy recovery to you Mr. Silva.
His career is over. You can't fight with a fractured shin like that.
Also, f**k Ronda Rousey. I wanted Tate to win so badly :(
They expect a complete recovery. I just don't think he'll be able to quick enough before his body starts to betray him due to age.
Yeah, and he'll be on the losing end of his career. Silva's quickness has always been one of his advantages. Without being light on his feet, he won't keep up.
See the footwork he was using at the beginning of the 2nd round, it was similar to his movement when he fought Chris Leben, I can't remember his pre ufc 101 fights it's been so long but I've been waiting for him to start fighting properly and moving like that for a long time, however in this fight when he finally started doing it, he looked much slower then he used to be. Even if he makes a full recovery his best days are definitely behind him.
He also seems to be losing his chin so he can't fall back on that any more to overcome his loss of speed, not to mention he doesn't have the wrestling pedigree to adapt his style to suit his slowing physique and maintain success into his 40's like Randy. He really should retire imo, that or take a big step down in competition. Hughes and Randy did this in the twilight of their careers and had success, losing when they tried to step back up again. Chuck lost his chin but never stepped down and got ktfo over and over.
I don't know that Silva ever had a great chin. Dude was notorious until the Sonnen fight for not taking punishment. In that fight Silva got tagged early by Sonnen and was never the same again throughout the rest of that matchup. I think I remember a crazy stat in that fight that Silva took more punishment in the almost five rounds with Sonnen then he did in the ENTIRITY of his UFC career previously.
If his evasiveness starts to fade or slow then it would be a major loss to his overall game.
Welterweight belt stolen after UFC 167 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1908020-georges-st-pierres-belt-stolen-after-ufc-167-bout-with-johny-hendricks?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma). Seems appropriate since we no longer have a champ, lol.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 04, 2014, 08:58:18 PM
Welterweight belt stolen after UFC 167 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1908020-georges-st-pierres-belt-stolen-after-ufc-167-bout-with-johny-hendricks?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma). Seems appropriate since we no longer have a champ, lol.
Lol!
Looks like someone is a marked man now.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 04, 2014, 08:58:18 PM
Welterweight belt stolen after UFC 167 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1908020-georges-st-pierres-belt-stolen-after-ufc-167-bout-with-johny-hendricks?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma). Seems appropriate since we no longer have a champ, lol.
the judges stole the title from hendricks in that robbery decision.
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Jan 05, 2014, 01:20:40 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 04, 2014, 08:58:18 PM
Welterweight belt stolen after UFC 167 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1908020-georges-st-pierres-belt-stolen-after-ufc-167-bout-with-johny-hendricks?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma). Seems appropriate since we no longer have a champ, lol.
the judges stole the title from hendricks in that robbery decision.
Hendricks stole it from himself for talking so much shit but not being able to put St. Pierre away. He even started making up stats about the fight after he lost. For the most part, challengers tend to struggle after fighting St. Pierre, hopefully same happens to Hendricks.
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Jan 05, 2014, 01:20:40 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 04, 2014, 08:58:18 PM
Welterweight belt stolen after UFC 167 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1908020-georges-st-pierres-belt-stolen-after-ufc-167-bout-with-johny-hendricks?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma). Seems appropriate since we no longer have a champ, lol.
the judges stole the title from hendricks in that robbery decision.
f**k that. If Hendricks wanted to win, he should've finished the fight. He's Dan Hardy with a wrestling base, nothing more.
I've seen the fight multiple times now
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 05, 2014, 10:48:16 PM
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Jan 05, 2014, 01:20:40 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 04, 2014, 08:58:18 PM
Welterweight belt stolen after UFC 167 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1908020-georges-st-pierres-belt-stolen-after-ufc-167-bout-with-johny-hendricks?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=mma). Seems appropriate since we no longer have a champ, lol.
the judges stole the title from hendricks in that robbery decision.
f**k that. If Hendricks wanted to win, he should've finished the fight. He's Dan Hardy with a wrestling base, nothing more.
Except that Hendricks has wins slightly better then Marcus Davis and Mike Swick.
Indeed but I was referring to his fighting style. He isn't that well-rounded.
http://www.bjpenn.com/grappler-vomits-submits-after-opponent-farts-in-his-face/ (http://www.bjpenn.com/grappler-vomits-submits-after-opponent-farts-in-his-face/)
Bill Gates couldn't buy this kind of silly :D :D :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkN8V2Xogsw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkN8V2Xogsw#)
MMA is serious business.
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 14, 2014, 01:27:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkN8V2Xogsw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkN8V2Xogsw#)
MMA is serious business.
And IIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiii will always love yooooouuuoouououou......
Haha that guy was an emotional drunk on TUF! He was an embarrassment to the sport.
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That struck a nerve.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
This should have been Big Rig's first defense of the title.
I didn't see the fight but I read he won by UD. I'm unimpressed (not a GSP reference, I swear). He's been talking such a huge game since he lost his first title fight and I think he's going to lose steam now.
I believe you would've enjoyed the fight.
So now with the welterweight wide open, there is mention of Nick Diaz coming back to try his shot at the title again. Personally, I would like see him fight Lawler or even Woodley. I don't feel he deserves a title shot and this is because of his losing streak.
And the Champ is injured. (http://www.mmaweekly.com/new-ufc-champ-johny-hendricks-heading-into-surgery-out-of-action-for-several-months) :-\
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 19, 2014, 07:49:43 PM
And the Champ is injured. (http://www.mmaweekly.com/new-ufc-champ-johny-hendricks-heading-into-surgery-out-of-action-for-several-months) :-\
Ow...
:o
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 19, 2014, 07:49:43 PM
And the Champ is injured. (http://www.mmaweekly.com/new-ufc-champ-johny-hendricks-heading-into-surgery-out-of-action-for-several-months) :-\
Last I heard, he wants another fight with GSP. Not only do I see it happening, but I also see GSP tearing through him. After much-needed time off and a chance to gather himself, I don't see Hendricks winning.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 20, 2014, 01:27:16 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 19, 2014, 07:49:43 PM
And the Champ is injured. (http://www.mmaweekly.com/new-ufc-champ-johny-hendricks-heading-into-surgery-out-of-action-for-several-months) :-\
Last I heard, he wants another fight with GSP. Not only do I see it happening, but I also see GSP tearing through him. After much-needed time off and a chance to gather himself, I don't see Hendricks winning.
The only thing gsp tears through is a box of tissues at his weekly sports psychologist appointments.
Ouch, lol.
Speaking of rematches, Edgar/Penn III is booked. Here's to another boring 25 minutes...
Lol "box of tissues".
So about last night's knockout... :o
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DAMMIT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, CHIEF!!! Why, why you gotta be all like...spoilin' fights n' shit?
Haha aww man, I'm sorry. You're always on top of things when it comes to the UFC that I was sure you watched it. :'(
Meh, whatever. I'll download it tonight. Was it as epic as the first fight?
Yes!
I guess this is the right place to put this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csacEonYBn0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csacEonYBn0#)
I don't care much for the sport, but Chuck Liddell lives a few minutes away from me. Or used to at least as I haven't seen him in a while.
Quote from: Cal427eb on Apr 22, 2014, 09:18:56 PM
I guess this is the right place to put this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csacEonYBn0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csacEonYBn0#)
This is why you never talk shit in fight sports. It makes you look ridiculous when you lose.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 23, 2014, 06:00:03 AM
Quote from: Cal427eb on Apr 22, 2014, 09:18:56 PM
I guess this is the right place to put this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csacEonYBn0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csacEonYBn0#)
This is why you never talk shit in fight sports. It makes you look ridiculous when you lose.
I rather enjoyed that.
Quote from: Cal427eb on Apr 22, 2014, 09:18:56 PM
I guess this is the right place to put this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csacEonYBn0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csacEonYBn0#)
I share the announcer's pain. That landed
flush. Those kicks aren't easy to throw either.
Quote from: Mr. Sin on Apr 23, 2014, 05:46:01 AM
I don't care much for the sport, but Chuck Liddell lives a few minutes away from me. Or used to at least as I haven't seen him in a while.
Chuck Liddell in his prime is the greatest fighter that ever lived.
No way. Jon Jones would destroy him. Liddell was good, but only for the opponents he fought. He wasn't exactly what you would call well-rounded.
lmfaooooo Chuck would smash Jones even today. Jones doesn't have the ko power to take advantage of modern chuck's only weakness... his chin.
Jones almost broke his own legs kicking a washed up frozen Rampage. Chuck's leg kicks would drop Jones if he decided to use them but he'd probably just bulldoze through Jon's pillow jabs and bludgeon his lower jaw.
No he wouldn't. Chuck wouldn't be able to get inside Jones' range to land his patented right hand. Not to mention, Jones isn't stupid enough to chase his opponents down which is going to work against Liddell's prowess as a counter-striker. Liddell never fought anyone with Jones' skills.
He is an incredible booze hound. He would frequent the bar scene very often and I recall seeing him at a local watering hole around 2006 -2007 just before a major fight, and my associates all chattered about how he should have been training, and we all watched him lose on ppv a few days later. He trains at a place called THE PIT. We pass it almost every day. He's very nice, just a little too into very young women, but that's the life of a pro brawler I suppose.
Chuck is a legend, but not a "greatest ever"...more of a right time/place situation...
Big fights this weekend fellas... 8)
Oh shit, Gates is back from the dead...again!!!
Hahah, how're you Doom..? :)
I've been doing great dude. Picked up some new gigs lately and my girl and I are having fun. We're not buying furniture though.
...sorry, but I can't forget that ;)
Anthony "Rumble" Johnson!
Diaz/Andersen fellas..! Whoever wins, it's gon' be good... 8)
If Anderson manages to lose this fight, he'll have to retire. No one will take him seriously if he loses to a punk like Diaz, especially if it's via KO.
Haha this should be a fun fight to watch. Diaz can take a punch, but can he take several of Silva's? Conversely, can Silva take Diaz's punches?
UFC, shut and take my money!
The fight is a joke. I can't think why Dana White even booked this.
Because people like me and Gates like the "what if" types of fights.
It's all for the money, bro. DW is smart.
Yup, I just wanna see 'em slug it the f**k out...
Did you guys hear the pod cast..? It's a classic, lol...
Spoiler
And lets not forget ring-antics at it's finest... :P
The fight wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Am I nuts in thinking Diaz might've won that has he spent less time parading about and more time fighting?
Haha that first round though! I knew he would be able to stand with him. If only his punches had more behind them, Silva would've been in trouble. Speaking of, Silva looked good and threw some nice kicks, too!
I agree. Silva must've been somewhat disheartened that Diaz just ate his strikes for almost the entire fight. Silva did look great! It was nice to see him actually fight for the first time in forever.
I was a little disappointed, but my expectations were too high...if only the whole fight was like the first round -- pssssh fight of the year fo'sure..!
I was most impressed with Thiago Alves. Who saw that kick coming?! I love comeback stories.
UFC 187 (http://www.mmamania.com/2015/2/19/8067149/ufc-187-fight-card-jon-jones-vs-anthony-johnson-chris-weidman-vs-vitor-belfort-las-vegas-mma) :o
Whoa, two title fights! That's huge. Jones will run over Johnson and Vitor will be booked for steroids, mark my words.
Man, I hope Belfort will be clean for this fight. He was ready to go before Weidman broke his hand. As for Jones, he better watch out for Rumble's power and use his reach advantage the entire fight.
And how about the Khabib and Cerrone fight?! Arlovski and Browne?! This is a stacked card!
I'm torn on Arlovski/Browne. It's one of those fights that I'd rather see a draw for. Both fighters can win, but Browne is still a few notches away from being more than a gatekeeper and Arlovski still needs to prove himself, IMO.
I agree. It's the same situation with Faber/Edgar. I like both fighters. With the heavyweights though, I don't see it going passed round 1.
Faber/Edgar? When did Faber move up to lightweight?
I don't have cable so I can't watch can someone tell me.
It was on PPV.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 23, 2015, 01:28:47 PM
Faber/Edgar? When did Faber move up to lightweight?
It's a featherweight fight. Faber used to fight at this weight in WEC.
Also, do you see the fights last night? They were good free fights!
No, I was watching Doctor Who all night long 8)
I dunno, I've lost interest in a great deal of MMA. I think I've grown weary of it because there's so much of it these days.
Haha I understand.
I actually like how the UFC is constantly giving us fights. Being a homebody, this works out perfect for me.
One thing is for sure, I'm not paying for this weekend's RR vs Cat fight. UFC should've made it free after the main event was changed.
That fight will likely end the same way every RR fight does: armbar in the first round followed by Ronda crying about how awesome she thinks she is and how no one respects her enough.
14 seconds! :o
So I heard. Whatever, I still think Rousey is a one-trick pony. I want to see her fight Cyborg. Oh, and
Spoiler
Called it!
Haha The one thing you didn't get right is the sportsmanship she showed after the fight. She also offered Cat a rematch.
Meh, don't expect to see much of that. She knows she's disliked and it only helps a fighter to play on that.
Just wanted to stop in and say what up to my fellas..!
Wrong thread for this but I'm not starting a new one and this is close enough :P:
Mayweather/Pacquiao mofos..!
Hoping Pacquiao wins but I know it's gonna be a longshot...
He lives!...yet again.
I want Mayweather to win because everyone wants Manny to win, lol. Also, Manny has been dodging this for a long time.
I'm for Pacquiao, never was a fan of Mayweathers style.
So much for that ;)
Quote from: Gates on May 01, 2015, 07:08:21 PM
Just wanted to stop in and say what up to my fellas..!
Wrong thread for this but I'm not starting a new one and this is close enough :P:
Mayweather/Pacquiao mofos..!
Hoping Pacquiao wins but I know it's gonna be a longshot...
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 01, 2015, 07:55:53 PM
I want Mayweather to win because everyone wants Manny to win, lol. Also, Manny has been dodging this for a long time.
Quote from: Super Predator on May 02, 2015, 02:16:59 AM
I'm for Pacquiao, never was a fan of Mayweathers style.
I'm not a huge fan of either fighter but greatly respect FMW's technical skill set and MP's heart and his engaging style...
but that said
this fight should have happen 5-7 years ago and sadly saturadys out come was no surprise, FMW's by UD
back to MMA
my MAY PPV plans took a hit
UFC 187 on paper was going to be a sick card, but thats it, things always look good on paper then shit happens
don't get me wrong its still a good card but man i was looking forward to that CERRONE vs NURMAGOMEDOV fight most of all. really tough break for KHABIB the kid was was jus returning form a long lay off, say all you want about his style and what not, but the kid is real deal if he ever stays healthy
JONES can not seem to keep his shit together and now he's out, stripped of his title(ouch!)
and CORMIER steps in vs JOHNSON so life goes on
WEIDMAN vs BELFORT is still intact
anyone tuning into TUF21
Yeah Mayweather/Pacquiao went as expected, I just thought it would've been more exciting...
In other shenanigans, Edgar/Faber is def gonna be a good fight...
A little East Coast/West action tomorrow -- what's up, Chief... :P
As long as Edgar sends that self-absorbed jackass Faber home crying, I'll be happy.
Faber use to get under my skin too...but then he went five rounds against Matt Brown, with two broken hands, throwing nothing but kicks and elbows...I gotta respect that heart...
Either way, we're in for a treat...both have similar skill sets, great cardio, and are aggressive as hell...oh, and its free...win/win... ;D
I is excit...
Anyone else watch UFC 187? The three fights before the main event were great!
The Arlovski v Brown fight was awesome, very breathtaking. Really liked the Cormier v Johnson fight too.
Yep! That heavyweight fight was great!
Quote from: Master Chief on May 26, 2015, 04:42:58 PM
Anyone else watch UFC 187? The three fights before the main event were great!
Yup. I think Belfort should retire. Weidman made him look like an amateur.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 27, 2015, 02:12:49 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on May 26, 2015, 04:42:58 PM
Anyone else watch UFC 187? The three fights before the main event were great!
Yup. I think Belfort should retire. Weidman made him look like an amateur.
I still can't believe how easy he made it look. Like wtf. Vitor didn't look like he wasn't into it, he definitely showed up to fight. If he can keep up the motivation I don't care if Vitor sticks around and knocks out anyone not named Chris Weidman at 185.
I think Weidman broke him. Vitor was probably expecting Weidman to crumble under his punches and when that didn't happen and he ended up on his back, he panicked.
Holy shit, guys/gals..! 13 seconds, lol... :laugh:
And Rockhold is no joke either...
Poor Aldo, "what happened?" Rio must've gone up in riots, lol. The Brazilian media tore into him.
That knock out was a nightmare come true.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Dec 16, 2015, 06:49:11 PM
That knock out was a nightmare come true.
I couldn't tell you how many MMA guys I know who explained in great detail how Aldo was going to destroy Conor and boy we were ALL wrong.
It makes no sense what happened to Aldo, how is it that Chad who only had two weeks to prepare for Conor drinking beer and hunting was able to put Conor on his back and drop elbows to the face? How is it someone as slow as Max Holloway survived three rounds with Conor but 13 seconds Aldo gets dropped? It makes no sense, Aldo is so much better than this. Aldo didn't throw one leg kick or wait for Conor to come to him, he just charged forward leaving himself wide open.
Only way I can explain this madness is that Conor got inside Aldo's head and Aldo just wasn't thinking anymore. Aldo looked tense, emotional, and nervous. Did anyone of you bet money on the fight?
Either way, nice talking to you guys again! Peace ;D
I feel sorry for Aldo, the 1st round in a fight is the most dangerous one because your body doesn't know that it's in a fight, so there's always a higher risk that it will react by shuting down when hit, compared to being hit by the same punch in later rounds. I really hope that he'll get a rematch soon, really soon because he lost because of "bad luck", Connor didn't prove a thing by that knock out, anyone who's been training a martial art where you compete with full contact knows that this happens and it's because the body didn't know it's in a fight... Not saying that Connor wouldn't have won or anything like that, only that Aldo had bad luck.
If McGregor really was in Aldo's head, then that's on Aldo. It's not bad luck.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2016, 11:28:52 PM
If McGregor really was in Aldo's head, then that's on Aldo. It's not bad luck.
That''s true but the only cases I know about when being in someones head is reason behind getting ko'ed, is the type of fights when the fighter acts more hurt than he really is or do some other thing that will force the judge to step in and stop the fight. I don't think that this is the case why Aldo lost, I think that his body/ brain just shut down because he wasn't "on"...Maybe someone else can explain it better than me, after all, it's well known that you are more vulnerable during the first round, the risk of getting ko'ed is higher because the body/brain need its time to get adjusted to the punishment.
Anyone watching Jones vs Saint Preux?
Jones gonna get bodied right now!
lol jk obviously he will blast this feeder fish. It's as a much a lock as one can get.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Dec 16, 2015, 06:49:11 PM
Only way I can explain this madness is that Conor got inside Aldo's head and Aldo just wasn't thinking anymore. Aldo looked tense, emotional, and nervous. Did anyone of you bet money on the fight?
I put $100 on Aldo ffs, but I easily made that back putting the same amount on Diaz via sub.
Outstanding fights this past weekend.
Also, in other news...
https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1137895575532244992
5 seconds!
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Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 07, 2019, 04:58:33 AM
5 seconds!
https://media.giphy.com/media/fV8Q1kqK7o5huG7QhL/giphy.gif
Damn!
Probably didn't even had to punch him.
Yeah, technically speaking it was KO in 2 seconds but referee allowed him to deliver two blows when game was really over.
Loved it! It was a great fight card!
Askren is supposed to be on Ariel Helwani's show today. I wonder what he has to say. haha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pfe9tM0e3w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pfe9tM0e3w)
Glad he took it like a man.
Such an amazing KO. All time highlight.
Dang the coronavirus to heck!
The fight should be postponed.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-XIqa_hjQ-/?igshid=1glusflojsqre
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-GwZqqD1CE/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/B-GwZqqD1CE/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
I expect no spectators in the arena if there'll be UFC fights during this pandemic.
Quote from: Shinawi on Apr 01, 2020, 11:42:37 AM
I expect no spectators in the arena if there'll be UFC fights during this pandemic.
UFC Fight Night 170 that was held in Brazil, was a no fans allowed event. It was weird, but it worked. If the UFC is going to continue with their events, I agree with you, no fans allowed.