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Title: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 22, 2016, 03:30:14 PM
I'm happy to report that Alan Dean Foster is writing an Alien: Covenant novelization. No official announcement or anything but I just exchanged an email with him where he confirmed it.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Doctor Ash on Sep 22, 2016, 07:36:35 PM
Great News! Really looking forward to read it!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 22, 2016, 07:41:44 PM
Can you get an interview?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Ultramorph on Sep 22, 2016, 07:50:10 PM
Oh man, I can't wait for all the tie-ins!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 23, 2016, 02:41:46 AM
They should have him also write Prometheus while he's at it lol

Great news though. :D
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 23, 2016, 04:33:48 AM
Wow, I guess he got over his hang-ups with writing Alien novelizations after Alien3.

No really, this is pretty great news!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: windebieste on Sep 23, 2016, 06:26:00 AM
Wow... Nice.  Will have to pick this up.  Been such a long time since I read one of his books.  Yeah, I guess it would have been 'ALIEN 3', at that. 

Hope he'll be working from a complete script.  ...and the book had better have 8 pages of photos, too!   :D

Either way, too Awesome!!!

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: serbip1 on Sep 23, 2016, 06:23:57 PM
Really excited for this one! ;D
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: windebieste on Sep 26, 2016, 09:51:39 AM
Foster writing the novelisation of the movie hearkens back to the Glory Days of yore.  This really is beginning to feel like the series is returning to its roots.  Finally. 

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 26, 2016, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 23, 2016, 04:33:48 AM
Wow, I guess he got over his hang-ups with writing Alien novelizations after Alien3.

No really, this is pretty great news!

To be fair, that was 24 years ago! I'm glad though! I'm really excited about this news. I had been hoping they'd do an adaptation and especially glad it's ADF!


Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 22, 2016, 07:41:44 PM
Can you get an interview?

Possibly. But I wouldn't want to until after it's published.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: jeanj on Sep 26, 2016, 10:51:04 AM
I've never read novelizations. Are they close to the movie storyline ?

Should be expect it to be released months before the movie ?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 26, 2016, 10:55:55 AM
Quote from: jeanj on Sep 26, 2016, 10:51:04 AM
I've never read novelizations. Are they close to the movie storyline ?

Depends on what script they're being adapted from. Usually though they're based on the shooting script before any editing so you'll often get to read deleted or alternate scenes. Those differences are primarily the fun of reading the novelizations.

QuoteShould be expect it to be released months before the movie ?

Really depends on how secretive they're going to be about the film. Conservatively, I'd expect maybe a couple of weeks before the film is out.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 26, 2016, 11:19:34 AM
This is really good news. I always love ADF's novelisations. Maybe Ridley spoke to him personally about it, since he has a huge amount of pull over the franchise atm. Wish they'd let him go back and do a Prometheous adapt as well for us English speaking folk
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 26, 2016, 11:37:33 AM
I'd love to see what ADF did with Prometheus but I don't think it's likely to become a reality.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 26, 2016, 11:40:10 AM
I reckon it would only happen if they re-released Prometheous under Alien : Prometheous or something like that.

I'd just like an English one and I'm sure he'd fix certain things and maybe use bits from Engineers and Genesis lol
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: jeanj on Sep 26, 2016, 02:22:13 PM
That would be great to see the adaptation of Spade's script.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 26, 2016, 02:31:11 PM
Awesome news!  ADF's earlier novels were really great and had their own superb sense of style.  I only wish that he would be afforded the possibility of doing an adaptation of Prometheus as well.  Given that Titan has found a niche business of churning out Alien novels, perhaps this is not that far fetched as one might think.  Perhaps if an extended version of the film comes out, it could be a good opportunity to get a novelization?

Hopefully we will get a Dark Horse graphic novel adaptation as well.  Ditto for Prometheus..
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 26, 2016, 02:50:56 PM
Do you guys prefer to read the novel or watch the movie first?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 26, 2016, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 26, 2016, 11:19:34 AM
This is really good news. I always love ADF's novelisations. Maybe Ridley spoke to him personally about it, since he has a huge amount of pull over the franchise atm.

There was a comment by Robert Meyer Burnett a few days ago who said the Covenant script was apparently "incredible". Hopefully that's the reason why ADF took this job. I don't think he does this kind of thing just for the money anymore.

QuoteWish they'd let him go back and do a Prometheous adapt as well for us English speaking folk

You could always learn Kanji if you're that desperate for a Prometheus novelization.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Sep 26, 2016, 04:43:25 PM
Wonderful news! As a kid, I read his ALIEN novelization religiously between '79 and '83 (when I finally got to see the film on VHS), and from my perspective, ADF is just as much Alien royalty as Scott, Giger, and Goldsmith.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 26, 2016, 04:47:00 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 26, 2016, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 26, 2016, 11:19:34 AM
This is really good news. I always love ADF's novelisations. Maybe Ridley spoke to him personally about it, since he has a huge amount of pull over the franchise atm.

There was a comment by Robert Meyer Burnett a few days ago who said the Covenant script was apparently "incredible". Hopefully that's the reason why ADF took this job. I don't think he does this kind of thing just for the money anymore.

QuoteWish they'd let him go back and do a Prometheous adapt as well for us English speaking folk

You could always learn Kanji if you're that desperate for a Prometheus novelization.

Stop with the Logic and proper reasoning lmao
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: serbip1 on Sep 26, 2016, 04:47:41 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 26, 2016, 02:50:56 PM
Do you guys prefer to read the novel or watch the movie first?

Good question....I think I'd watch the movie first then read the novel, who knows...
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 26, 2016, 05:15:08 PM
To read the book or watch the movie first?  I can't help myself so I would read the book if it came out early for sure, but it is a loaded question.  Reading the book takes away all suspense.  If you want to be scared during the film, then reading the book will deprive you of that.  But reading the book first, allows you to get a head start on the analysis of the film.  By the time you see it, you already have time to canalize plot points, and if the book has even more depth than the movie by including scenes that don't make the final cut, then this will enhance the joy of the film.  You'd be watching it with greater insight.  I'm going to read the book..
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Kurai on Sep 26, 2016, 08:18:23 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 26, 2016, 04:12:03 PM
You could always learn Kanji if you're that desperate for a Prometheus novelization.

If someone has it in E-book form, I could give a shot at a translation... Though I'm not sure about the legality of releasing something like that...

Good to know Covenant is getting an ADF novel adaption! Once more echoing everyone else in hoping that he gives Prometheus a go as well. Dark Horse comic adaptions wouldn't hurt either.  ;D
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Sep 26, 2016, 10:19:27 PM
Part of me wonders if he's doing it for nostalgia's sake; he wrote the novelization of The Force Awakens, as well (he ghost-wrote Star Wars).
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: felix on Sep 26, 2016, 11:08:33 PM
Great news. I collect novelizations at home . Have several boxes of them at home. Including a rare LETHAL WEAPON novelization.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: japes01 on Sep 27, 2016, 12:34:54 AM
Is he the only person in the world who thinks alien resurrection was better than alien 3
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 27, 2016, 01:13:57 AM
@ japes01

One the one hand most will say that Alien 3 despite its flaws hold well for a bleak artistic style in the vein of "Rildey Scott's Alien Haunted House in space Horror" in terms of artistic integrity Alien 3 has garnered some respect.

Whereas some others, a fair minority prefer Alien Resurrection's attempt to retread the "James Cameron Action-esque Roller Coaster, Pop Corn Entertainment angle" for this reason despite its many problems some may find more fun with Resurrection. Also he probably had more hate for Alien 3 for killing off Hicks, Newt, Bishop and Ripley at the end. :P

Question remains, does this mean that Alien Covenant has a script/story of quality that has impressed Alan Dean Foster enough to want to adapt it for a novelization, or could we just assume its solely for a pay check, wishful thinking I strongly hope its because he's seen something of value. 
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 27, 2016, 07:17:41 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 26, 2016, 02:50:56 PM
Do you guys prefer to read the novel or watch the movie first?

I'd have to say I'd read the novelization first. One because I'm a sucker for spoilers and two because of the website. lol

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 27, 2016, 01:13:57 AM
Question remains, does this mean that Alien Covenant has a script/story of quality that has impressed Alan Dean Foster enough to want to adapt it for a novelization, or could we just assume its solely for a pay check, wishful thinking I strongly hope its because he's seen something of value. 

I think his experience working on 3 will have coloured his opinion somewhat. And whilst I do love Alien 3 despite its flaws, Resurrection is less of a mess of a film.

Hopefully I'll get a chance to chat to him properly about the novel after the film and find out a bit more backstory about his involvement.


Also, just noticed this comment on ADF's website:

QuoteI'm currently writing the novelization, plus some unique original material, for ALIEN:COVENANT. An unusual approach that's never been tried before in a novelization. Look for it, along with the film, next year.

Wonder what this could mean?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: jeanj on Sep 27, 2016, 08:01:26 AM
@japes01

No, James Cameron thinks that too.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: T Dog on Sep 27, 2016, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 27, 2016, 07:17:41 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 26, 2016, 02:50:56 PM
Do you guys prefer to read the novel or watch the movie first?

I'd have to say I'd read the novelization first. One because I'm a sucker for spoilers and two because of the website. lol

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 27, 2016, 01:13:57 AM
Question remains, does this mean that Alien Covenant has a script/story of quality that has impressed Alan Dean Foster enough to want to adapt it for a novelization, or could we just assume its solely for a pay check, wishful thinking I strongly hope its because he's seen something of value. 

I think his experience working on 3 will have coloured his opinion somewhat. And whilst I do love Alien 3 despite its flaws, Resurrection is less of a mess of a film.

Hopefully I'll get a chance to chat to him properly about the novel after the film and find out a bit more backstory about his involvement.


Also, just noticed this comment on ADF's website:

QuoteI'm currently writing the novelization, plus some unique original material, for ALIEN:COVENANT. An unusual approach that's never been tried before in a novelization. Look for it, along with the film, next year.

Wonder what this could mean?
Does it mean he's maybe writing some original backstory for some characters for the novelisation?

Or does it mean he's writing some material to be filmed as a viral/accompanying movie for the film?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 27, 2016, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Sep 27, 2016, 01:13:57 AM
@ japes01

One the one hand most will say that Alien 3 despite its flaws hold well for a bleak artistic style in the vein of "Rildey Scott's Alien Haunted House in space Horror" in terms of artistic integrity Alien 3 has garnered some respect.

Whereas some others, a fair minority prefer Alien Resurrection's attempt to retread the "James Cameron Action-esque Roller Coaster, Pop Corn Entertainment angle" for this reason despite its many problems some may find more fun with Resurrection. Also he probably had more hate for Alien 3 for killing off Hicks, Newt, Bishop and Ripley at the end. :P

Question remains, does this mean that Alien Covenant has a script/story of quality that has impressed Alan Dean Foster enough to want to adapt it for a novelization, or could we just assume its solely for a pay check, wishful thinking I strongly hope its because he's seen something of value.

Aliens and Alien Resurrection are vastly different movies despite being action packed marine oriented stories.  Aliens is built around a framework which invests the viewer's emotions (exactly like Jurrasic Park) by having us experience the thrill ride while caring for a little child in the face of monsters, while all of this is missing in AR.  It is back to an ice cold reality.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 28, 2016, 08:40:28 AM
Quote from: T Dog on Sep 27, 2016, 11:02:56 AM
Does it mean he's maybe writing some original backstory for some characters for the novelisation?

Or does it mean he's writing some material to be filmed as a viral/accompanying movie for the film?

I've no idea. I'll ask him what he means. Obviously he wont be able to say much, if any, though.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: TheBATMAN on Sep 28, 2016, 12:14:46 PM
Probably a prequel novel about what happened to David and Shaw between the movies, as well as some other world-building stuff.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 29, 2016, 04:21:49 AM
ADF's novelization for 'The Chronicles of Riddick' had a really cool "world building" appendix at the back of the book that detailed the culture and history of the Necromongers. I don't know how much of it was created from whole cloth by ADF and how much was from David Twohy's notes, but it was still cool all the same.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 29, 2016, 06:50:36 AM
Did somebody say there was an AVP:R novelization?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 29, 2016, 07:34:54 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 29, 2016, 06:50:36 AM
Did somebody say there was an AVP:R novelization?

Nope. There was an AvP novelization but never an AvPR one.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 29, 2016, 09:26:25 AM
This is very exciting news!

Maybe they'll finally publish the Prometheus book in English as well?

Quote from: T Dog on Sep 27, 2016, 11:02:56 AMDoes it mean he's maybe writing some original backstory for some characters for the novelisation?

Or does it mean he's writing some material to be filmed as a viral/accompanying movie for the film?

These are the two possibilities that occurred to me.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Seegson Executive on Sep 29, 2016, 09:54:11 PM
Yep. Because that movie was pretty bad. Xenomorphs and Predators stalking teenagers in a high school? Really? LOL
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Doctor Ash on Nov 01, 2016, 04:20:55 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 29, 2016, 09:26:25 AM
This is very exciting news!

Maybe they'll finally publish the Prometheus book in English as well?

Quote from: T Dog on Sep 27, 2016, 11:02:56 AMDoes it mean he's maybe writing some original backstory for some characters for the novelisation?

Or does it mean he's writing some material to be filmed as a viral/accompanying movie for the film?

These are the two possibilities that occurred to me.
By the way, who wrote the Prometheus Novel and why wasn't it released in the US and/or UK?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 01, 2016, 04:57:22 PM
I've always seen it credited to a guy called Joe Spies and Damon Lindelof, but just recently someone told me that "Joe Spies" is actually a mistranslation of Jon Spaihts, in which case those credits probably refer to the people who write the original script, not the novel.

In other words, I'm not sure :)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 01, 2016, 06:04:37 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 01, 2016, 04:57:22 PM
I've always seen it credited to a guy called Joe Spies and Damon Lindelof, but just recently someone told me that "Joe Spies" is actually a mistranslation of Jon Spaihts, in which case those credits probably refer to the people who write the original script, not the novel.

In other words, I'm not sure :)

:laugh: Got to love the Japanese!

All your Engrish are belong to us!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Doctor Ash on Nov 02, 2016, 09:23:13 AM
Sounds like it could be not so much a novelization but simply the script translated into japanese 😎
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 08, 2016, 10:11:28 AM
Possibly, but there was a site out there somewhere that listed what was different/added compared to the film, and that made it sound very much like it was a novel.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Doctor Ash on Nov 08, 2016, 10:23:19 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 08, 2016, 10:11:28 AM
Possibly, but there was a site out there somewhere that listed what was different/added compared to the film, and that made it sound very much like it was a novel.
Found it. Interesting differences.

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Prometheus_(novel)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 08, 2016, 10:32:51 AM
:) Actaully I was referring to the article from which that info was sourced. This one (http://web.archive.org/web/20121016013152/http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/japanese-novelization/).
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: g2vd on Nov 08, 2016, 11:29:14 AM
You know I do know of a Godzilla Facebook group called Gormaru Island which has obtained significant fame in the Godzilla fandom due to their translations and ability to find a whole bunch of obscure stuff. but anyway perhaps the translators in the group could translate the novel for everyone if they were paid.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Doctor Ash on Nov 08, 2016, 01:00:13 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 08, 2016, 10:32:51 AM
:) Actaully I was referring to the article from which that info was sourced. This one (http://web.archive.org/web/20121016013152/http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/japanese-novelization/).
[emoji106] Thank you for the link!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 08, 2016, 02:03:52 PM
No worries.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on Dec 31, 2016, 09:27:40 PM
Just pre ordered this too... but I didn't see the "alien: covenant sequel" book up for pre order yet...
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: felix on Jan 01, 2017, 11:29:14 PM
According to Amazon, that comes Sept 26th.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on Jan 02, 2017, 02:00:37 AM
Quote from: felix on Jan 01, 2017, 11:29:14 PM
According to Amazon, that comes Sept 26th.
Can you post a link? I can't find the sequel novel anywhere on amazon...
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: felix on Jan 02, 2017, 02:37:36 AM
Here you go.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1785654764/ref=sr_1_11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1483324612&sr=1-11&keywords=movie+tie+in
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Ultramorph on Jan 02, 2017, 02:46:08 AM
Thanks for the link. Pre-ordered!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on Jan 02, 2017, 02:48:29 AM
Thanks! Very much appreciated! :-)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 03, 2017, 01:28:36 PM
That's a shame. Was originally coming out at the same time as the film. At least we wont be getting an overload of releases all at the same time though.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: A Noble Predator on Jan 04, 2017, 12:26:51 PM
I loved reading and rereading Alan Dean Fosters Alien, it fleshed out the space jockey and its derelict spacecraft, also described the strength and methods of destruction the alien exhibited. I've been looking for the screenplay or novelization of Prometheus for years, to no avail. Hopefully ADF releases the book at the same time as the movie. I remember reading the alien comic book, classic, yaphett kotto head bite.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2017, 12:54:43 PM
They only published a novelization of Prometheus in Japanese. The script is available though, along with a couple of the earlier drafts before Lindelof came aboard: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/downloads/

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/script-alien-engineers-spaihts.pdf
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/alien-01-genesis-09072010.pdf
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/script-paradise-lindelof.pdf
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 12:55:45 PM
Quote from: A Noble Predator on Jan 04, 2017, 12:26:51 PMI loved reading and rereading Alan Dean Fosters Alien, it fleshed out the space jockey and its derelict spacecraft.

Umm... The Space Jokey is totally missing from the novel... :P
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Glaive on Jan 12, 2017, 03:20:03 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 12:55:45 PM
Quote from: A Noble Predator on Jan 04, 2017, 12:26:51 PMI loved reading and rereading Alan Dean Fosters Alien, it fleshed out the space jockey and its derelict spacecraft.

Umm... The Space Jokey is totally missing from the novel... :P

,,,it most certainly is...just an urn...
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
Novels tend to contradict their source but the added flavor and how much more there is in it compared to the film is what makes them enjoyable, I will be putting this on my "have to get" list
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 12, 2017, 08:53:56 PM
It occurs to me that the covenant prequel may be driven by Fox more than ADF.  Fox must be increasingly aware (assuming here) that Prometheus fans may feel disenfranchised with no follow up to Shaw's story.  So hopefully this fills in the gap.  I think Fox underestimated how curious people were about a continuation of Shaw's story..
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: felix on Feb 13, 2017, 06:04:34 AM
Cover image up.

https://bnccatalist.ca/ViewTitle.aspx?id=8107614
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Feb 13, 2017, 06:45:27 AM
Interesting how writing credits work.  No mention of Spaihts and Lindelof in terms of the 'characters created by'.

QuoteIt occurs to me that the covenant prequel may be driven by Fox more than ADF.

The whole thing would be driven by Fox.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SiL on Feb 13, 2017, 07:37:22 AM
Did O'Bannon get that credit for Prometheus? I always figured they were talking about the Alien.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 13, 2017, 08:23:55 AM
I like that the style matches the recent novelisation reprints.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Feb 13, 2017, 08:34:07 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 13, 2017, 07:37:22 AM
Did O'Bannon get that credit for Prometheus? I always figured they were talking about the Alien.

They are I think.  O'Bannon and Shusett got a 'Based on characters created by' for the AvP flicks.  For Prometheus it was 'Based on elements created by'.

It's just a weird setup - I'm assuming it's Guild rules - where the star of Covenant is likely going to be David (and Walter), who were created by Spaihts and Lindelof; but they don't get credit.  But I also assume it happens a lot with long running series.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SiL on Feb 13, 2017, 08:39:21 AM
Cameron doesn't get credit for the Queen, either.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Feb 13, 2017, 08:54:07 AM
Or Newt, Bishop and Hicks (very brief) appearances in Alien3.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 13, 2017, 01:29:11 PM
I always figured O'Bannon and Shushett's repeated credits were for the Alien itself, especially as it's the titular character.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: FenGiddel on Feb 27, 2017, 02:27:30 AM
Quote from: jeanj on Sep 26, 2016, 10:51:04 AM
I've never read novelizations. Are they close to the movie storyline ?

Should be expect it to be released months before the movie ?

Here's a fairly brief idea of some of the differences between Alien the film and Alien the novelization.  I found it recently after re-reading the novelization for research.

Hope it helps you decide.

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2014/05/12/15-things-didnt-know-alien-official-movie-novelization (http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2014/05/12/15-things-didnt-know-alien-official-movie-novelization)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: The Rogue Alien on Mar 05, 2017, 05:27:58 AM
I bought all the re release novelizations of the movies, this is awesome!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SiL on Mar 05, 2017, 07:27:56 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 13, 2017, 01:29:11 PM
I always figured O'Bannon and Shushett's repeated credits were for the Alien itself, especially as it's the titular character.
Which makes sense, except they also got credit for Prometheus, where they don't feature.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 05, 2017, 09:24:21 AM
Perhaps that was for the Engineer/Jockey.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 05, 2017, 10:57:10 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 05, 2017, 07:27:56 AMWhich makes sense, except they also got credit for Prometheus, where they don't feature.

I wondered if maybe that had something to do with how the script developed from Spaihts' draft, which did have the Alien in it.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Mar 05, 2017, 07:41:39 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 05, 2017, 07:27:56 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 13, 2017, 01:29:11 PM
I always figured O'Bannon and Shushett's repeated credits were for the Alien itself, especially as it's the titular character.
Which makes sense, except they also got credit for Prometheus, where they don't feature.

The got a 'Based on elements created by' credit rather than 'Based on characters created by'.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 16, 2017, 04:00:41 PM
https://www.blackstonelibrary.com/alien-covenant

Audiobook version - Read by Tom Taylorson | 8.0 hrs | 7 CDs | Unabridged
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 16, 2017, 10:29:37 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 13, 2017, 08:34:07 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 13, 2017, 07:37:22 AM
Did O'Bannon get that credit for Prometheus? I always figured they were talking about the Alien.

They are I think.  O'Bannon and Shusett got a 'Based on characters created by' for the AvP flicks.  For Prometheus it was 'Based on elements created by'.

It's just a weird setup - I'm assuming it's Guild rules - where the star of Covenant is likely going to be David (and Walter), who were created by Spaihts and Lindelof; but they don't get credit.  But I also assume it happens a lot with long running series.

Could be due to differences in their contract as well. O'Bannon and Shusett created their story independently and then sold it to Fox. They basically sold the rights to Fox with certain conditions attached such as credit stipulations in any future sequels and/or spin-offs.

Spaihts and Lindelof were basically work-for-hire contracts. They were specifically contracted by Fox to write an Alien prequel/not-quite-prequel and thus all characters created by them automatically belong to Fox.

Just my guess.  :-\
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Apr 16, 2017, 10:48:11 PM
Dunno.  Everything belongs to Fox, but it seems to be a matter of any re-used characters - including monsters as 'characters'.  AvP credited O'Bannon and Shusett and the Thomas Brothers - even though the only things in the flick were the Aliens and Predators that carried over from previous films.  In Prometheus Dan and Ron didn't get the same credit, due to their setting being used rather than any actual characters - despite that setting largely being the work of Giler & Hill.

I think there was definitely a different contract going on with Brandywine.  They've been credited on everything with an Alien in it - even Prometheus - despite not being directly involved in any film since Alien 3.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 20, 2017, 09:18:35 AM
German cover art.

(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51RCE%2BzCa0L.jpg)

Thanks to John Doe. I like that they're using this poster. I hope they get some mileage out of that.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 20, 2017, 09:25:24 AM
Noice.

So are we actually getting that plain black cover here? That's disappointing. I'd assumed it was a placeholder.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 20, 2017, 09:45:07 AM
I assume it just hasn't been updated yet.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Anthony on Apr 27, 2017, 01:17:24 AM
https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/857402705316257792

Small snippet.

Confirmation of release date. And
Spoiler
Rigby's character is officially named Ledward.
[close]
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Ingwar on Apr 27, 2017, 07:57:27 AM
9 questions to Alan Dean Foster regarding Alien:Covenant novelization.

1-4

https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/857410518490898433 (https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/857410518490898433)

5-9

https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/857411527023837184 (https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/857411527023837184)


Exclusive excerpt:

https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/857402705316257792 (https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/857402705316257792)

Order here: http://titanbooks.com/alien-covenant-the-official-movie-novelization-9132/
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: tuskhaus on Apr 27, 2017, 08:12:24 AM
Nice! Happy to have confirmation that there will be exploration of the Engineers in Covenant and they won't just seemingly be pushed to the side.

Alien: Origins is the prequel novel title!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: jdxmoore on Apr 27, 2017, 08:33:23 AM
Very interesting. Looking forward to reading orgins in September!

So is Awakening going to be a sequel to Covenant then?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 27, 2017, 02:56:30 PM
So if Alien: Origins is a prequel novel set between Prom and Covvie... Then Alien Awakening isn't a prequel???
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2017, 03:59:58 PM
Honestly, we just don't know at this point. Hopefully it'll get cleared up during the Covenant press rounds.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on Apr 27, 2017, 04:28:12 PM
I thought the exclusive prequel clip that premiered yesterday was going to be awakening, but I was wrong... that was called "the crossing" or something, so yea I'm totally lost on that one!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Necronomicon II on Apr 28, 2017, 10:22:10 AM
Seems clear that Scott simply misspoke regarding Awakening.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 28, 2017, 12:16:42 PM
Hicks was right, we're getting that awesome poster cover in the UK, too.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51UPktmPBGL.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: The Cruentus on Apr 28, 2017, 12:24:47 PM
I am pretty sure you can see a Queen's head in there, makes you wonder what is going to be in the movie though I doubt it would be in there as that would definitely been one of the first things leaked.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on May 03, 2017, 03:06:37 PM
Anyone see this??

"Alien Covenant 2", the official prequel to the blockbuster film"!!


https://www.amazon.com/Alien-Covenant-Official-Prequel-Blockbuster/dp/1785654764/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1493821940&sr=8-7&keywords=alien+covenant (https://www.amazon.com/Alien-Covenant-Official-Prequel-Blockbuster/dp/1785654764/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1493821940&sr=8-7&keywords=alien+covenant)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2017, 03:11:27 PM
Yep! http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=55533.msg2148529#msg2148529  :)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on May 03, 2017, 03:14:12 PM
Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 09:57:39 AM
May 1st update from ADF's website.

QuoteThe official release date of the novelization of ALIEN:COVENANT is 23 May. In it I have tried, as I always have over the years, to be as true as possible to the film while adding what original material I could.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 10, 2017, 10:54:06 AM
Really looking forward to giving this a read. Both novels, in fact.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 11:04:23 AM
Same. Really curious to see the differences and expansions. Should hopefully be chatting to ADF down the line too.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Doctor Ash on May 13, 2017, 06:52:59 AM
Can't wait to finally read this Novelization!

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Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: felix on May 14, 2017, 11:32:55 AM
I want to read an excerpt!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 14, 2017, 12:16:54 PM
Here you go! -

Quote from: Ingwar on Apr 27, 2017, 07:57:27 AM
9 questions to Alan Dean Foster regarding Alien:Covenant novelization.

1-4

https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/857410518490898433 (https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/857410518490898433)

5-9

https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/857411527023837184 (https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/857411527023837184)


Exclusive excerpt:

https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/857402705316257792 (https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/857402705316257792)

Order here: http://titanbooks.com/alien-covenant-the-official-movie-novelization-9132/


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-YaknJXUAANpJw.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-YakmsUIAAOxSU.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-YakmwUwAQDEjF.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 14, 2017, 01:55:02 PM
Hope this is on the kindle.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 14, 2017, 02:04:17 PM
Isn't everything on the Kindle these days?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 14, 2017, 03:07:39 PM
You would think so but not everything is. Jurassic park isn't.

The latest Meg book didnt get it either. Normally you can pre order the kindle version (like i have done with Andy Weir's new novel) but Covenant does not have that option availiable.

Origin is what i will really be disappointed about if that doesnt get it.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 14, 2017, 03:40:50 PM
There's a kindle version. I saw it on amazon 30 seconds ago...
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 14, 2017, 04:28:51 PM
I cant find it. Are you looking at the EU amazon or US ?

Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 14, 2017, 05:16:12 PM
US I think...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1785654780/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494782080&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=alien+covenant&dpPl=1&dpID=31jdXw1vUdL&ref=plSrch

Be sure to click on "format" where is says "paperback" and switch it to "kindle"

Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 14, 2017, 06:11:28 PM
Doesn't give me that option on the uk site.

It is a good sign that the US site lists it though.

Thanks dude.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 14, 2017, 06:33:26 PM
No problem. :-)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 21, 2017, 12:40:08 PM
Looks like it got released a little early in Russia (?) - https://www.instagram.com/p/BUWoOLgASz7/

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-%3Cbr/%3E15/e35/18579819_1849902248670015_8876342978600239104_n.jpg)

Should be out Tuesday normally, anyway.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 21, 2017, 02:16:59 PM
Quote from: Engineer on May 14, 2017, 06:33:26 PM
No problem. :-)

Yep. It's up for Kindle now.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 21, 2017, 03:44:02 PM
Cool!

I'll be getting my copy in the mail next week. Although after seeing the movie I'm a lot less excited about it now...  :-/
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 21, 2017, 04:49:06 PM
I wont be reading it for a while. I started Stephen King 'IT'.   Man thats a big book. Bloody good though. Then i have to force myself to finish Bug Hunt, which i am not enjoying, as i stopped and moved onto IT. 

Quiet a few books that i am looking forward to this year when you include the Covenant prequel and Artemis, Andy Weir's new novel.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 21, 2017, 05:34:31 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on May 21, 2017, 04:49:06 PM
Quiet a few books that i am looking forward to this year when you include the Covenant prequel and Artemis, Andy Weir's new novel.

I need to pre-order Artemis, actually. Thanks for reminding me.

I've got a physical copy pre-ordered too. Hopefully, it shows up for Tuesdays.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 21, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
I'm planning to pick up the prequel novel. I'm hoping Alan dean foster has a clever fix for Ridley's mess. :-/

As for the covenant adaptation, I'll probably read it later too. I got my hands on the Alan dean foster alien omnibus book (alien, aliens, alien 3) a while back and I finally started reading that. It's pretty big too, but not as big as "IT" lol. I'm at the end of "alien" now.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 21, 2017, 06:41:08 PM
No probs Hick's  ;D. Can't wait to see if Weir can hit a second home run.

Engineer. I really enjoyed Alan Dean Foster's Alien novelisations so far. I have listened to the audiobooks of Alien and Aliens.  I have a kindle copy of 3 to read. But I think that's behind covenant in my list lol.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 21, 2017, 06:46:57 PM
I'm enjoying it immensely so far! This is the first Alan dean foster book I've read, and I like his writing style a lot. That's probably the only reason I'll even bother reading the adaptation for covenant. Lol
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Mr. Clemens on May 21, 2017, 07:18:56 PM
Quote from: Engineer on May 21, 2017, 06:46:57 PM
I'm enjoying it immensely so far! This is the first Alan dean foster book I've read, and I like his writing style a lot.

I read that wonderful book over and over again from 1979 to 1983, when a friend's family got a VHS player and I finally got to see the actual film (though I did have the Warren magazine for visual reference). In a weird way, ADF's novelization IS Alien, to me.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 21, 2017, 07:22:49 PM
How does Crispen fair on th Resurrection Novel ?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Mr. Clemens on May 21, 2017, 07:29:13 PM
Somebody else's gonna have to field that one... I haven't read it since 1997!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 21, 2017, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 21, 2017, 07:18:56 PM
Quote from: Engineer on May 21, 2017, 06:46:57 PM
I'm enjoying it immensely so far! This is the first Alan dean foster book I've read, and I like his writing style a lot.

I read that wonderful book over and over again from 1979 to 1983, when a friend's family got a VHS player and I finally got to see the actual film (though I did have the Warren magazine for visual reference). In a weird way, ADF's novelization IS Alien, to me.

That's a unique story for how you got hooked on the series!

For me, I first saw aliens when I was 5 years old. So around 1990. It terrified me. And hooked me. I next saw alien 3 in theaters. Then back when sy fy was good and still known as sci fi, I noticed in the paper TV guide we got in the mail every week that alien was going to be showing one day. I had to watch it! So I watched the sci fi channel all day until it came on. The movie immediately before "alien" happened to be John carpenter's the thing, which I also immediately fell in love with. Shortly after that I got the alien trilogy box set on VHS for the first time. :-) I've been slowly tracking down older books such as the movie novelizations and trying to keep up with the newer ones too. But for a long time, it was the original movie trilogy and the dark horse novels that kept me entertained. I must have read nightmare asylum a dozen times!

PS. My little sister was too young for the thing, and it gave her nightmares that day the same way aliens did for me. Haha


Quote from: Russ840 on May 21, 2017, 07:22:49 PM
How does Crispen fair on th Resurrection Novel ?

I'll let you know. I have it, and plan to read it very soon. After the ADF trilogy. :-)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 21, 2017, 07:49:51 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on May 21, 2017, 07:22:49 PM
How does Crispen fair on th Resurrection Novel ?

Honestly, I think I like it more than the film. It loses a lot of the comedic visual aspects and focuses a bit more on the interesting aspects of Ripley 8.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 21, 2017, 08:11:36 PM
That's good to know. Thanks Hicks!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 21, 2017, 08:15:45 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 21, 2017, 07:49:51 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on May 21, 2017, 07:22:49 PM
How does Crispen fair on th Resurrection Novel ?

Honestly, I think I like it more than the film. It loses a lot of the comedic visual aspects and focuses a bit more on the interesting aspects of Ripley 8.

I'll have to give it a go.


Quote from: Engineer on May 21, 2017, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 21, 2017, 07:18:56 PM
Quote from: Engineer on May 21, 2017, 06:46:57 PM
I'm enjoying it immensely so far! This is the first Alan dean foster book I've read, and I like his writing style a lot.

I read that wonderful book over and over again from 1979 to 1983, when a friend's family got a VHS player and I finally got to see the actual film (though I did have the Warren magazine for visual reference). In a weird way, ADF's novelization IS Alien, to me.

That's a unique story for how you got hooked on the series!

For me, I first saw aliens when I was 5 years old. So around 1990. It terrified me. And hooked me. I next saw alien 3 in theaters. Then back when sy fy was good and still known as sci fi, I noticed in the paper TV guide we got in the mail every week that alien was going to be showing one day. I had to watch it! So I watched the sci fi channel all day until it came on. The movie immediately before "alien" happened to be John carpenter's the thing, which I also immediately fell in love with. Shortly after that I got the alien trilogy box set on VHS for the first time. :-) I've been slowly tracking down older books such as the movie novelizations and trying to keep up with the newer ones too. But for a long time, it was the original movie trilogy and the dark horse novels that kept me entertained. I must have read nightmare asylum a dozen times!

PS. My little sister was too young for the thing, and it gave her nightmares that day the same way aliens did for me. Haha


Quote from: Russ840 on May 21, 2017, 07:22:49 PM
How does Crispen fair on th Resurrection Novel ?

I'll let you know. I have it, and plan to read it very soon. After the ADF trilogy. :-)

I was trying to work out my first exposure to the series the other day. I'm pretty sure I watched some of Alien 3 first, on VHS, then my uncle rented me Alien and I loved it. I was 10.  Aliens was not until about 3 years later, the special edition, loved that also.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 21, 2017, 11:58:57 PM
Now that I'm reminiscing... my first copy of aliens was the theatrical version my older brother recorded off of cable TV. I remember being soooo stoked to see the directors cut for the first time when I got the VHS box set. That blew my mind! It was like seeing a completely different movie!

I was equally as excited about the alien quadrilogy and seeing new versions of alien and alien3 too.


PS. I still have my VHS trilogy box set. :-)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: echobbase79 on May 22, 2017, 01:20:57 AM

My Amazon copy should come Tuesday along with the Art of Alien: Covenant book. Amazon dropped the paperback edition price of the novelization to $6 recently.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Xenomrph on May 22, 2017, 06:08:31 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 22, 2017, 01:20:57 AM

My Amazon copy should come Tuesday along with the Art of Alien: Covenant book. Amazon dropped the paperback edition price of the novelization to $6 recently.
That's pretty awesome, I've got the paperback on preorder right now as well.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 22, 2017, 08:35:14 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on May 21, 2017, 07:22:49 PMHow does Crispen fair on th Resurrection Novel ?

Like Hicks, I liked it a lot. Style's very different to Foster but she accentuates the things I liked or thought had potential in the movie and dropped a lot of the things that didn't work. It's also possibly the most interesting of the four original novelisations in terms of expanding on the film. There are a lot of little background pieces that aren't found in the movie, like how Vriess got paralysed or why Purvis' Chestburster takes so long to pop.

On topic, I've also got the Covvie novel on order. Just finished my last book so I should be able to get right on it tomorrow!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 22, 2017, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 22, 2017, 08:35:14 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on May 21, 2017, 07:22:49 PMHow does Crispen fair on th Resurrection Novel ?

Like Hicks, I liked it a lot. Style's very different to Foster but she accentuates the things I liked or thought had potential in the movie and dropped a lot of the things that didn't work. It's also possibly the most interesting of the four original novelisations in terms of expanding on the film. There are a lot of little background pieces that aren't found in the movie, like how Vriess got paralysed or why Purvis' Chestburster takes so long to pop.

On topic, I've also got the Covvie novel on order. Just finished my last book so I should be able to get right on it tomorrow!

Thanks. I think your's and Hicks' sentiments have sold me on it.

Was that 'Pilgrim' that you just finished ? How was it? 
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 22, 2017, 03:32:44 PM
Actually it was Aliens: Bug Hunt :P

But Pilgrim was excellent. A very long read but had me enthralled throughout.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 22, 2017, 05:19:22 PM
I was really not enjoying Bug Hunt. I will finish it. I am intrigued by the Fury 161 related story. 
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 22, 2017, 05:42:06 PM
I thought Bug Hunt's second half - Darkness Falls notwithstanding - was generally a marked improvement over the first.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 22, 2017, 05:42:12 PM
Double-X
Lmao
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 22, 2017, 06:57:23 PM
Quote from: Engineer on May 22, 2017, 05:42:12 PM
Double-X
Lmao

Lol. Oh dear
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 07:52:43 AM
I received an email from Amazon that my order had been pushed back to June. Looks like it's just the softback though as the website says it has hardbacks in so I've ordered one of those instead.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: TheBATMAN on May 23, 2017, 08:11:00 AM
Did you double check the language beforehand? The hardback version has a translator listed.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 08:20:12 AM
I didn't but I can't see anything about language on my order.

Looks like it's out on eBook too for those interested.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: The Cruentus on May 23, 2017, 08:48:38 AM
Quote from: Engineer on May 22, 2017, 05:42:12 PM
Double-X
Lmao

Hell the double Y thing is incorrect as well and based off a myth that people with those chromosomes are violent.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Xenomrph on May 23, 2017, 08:59:29 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 07:52:43 AM
I received an email from Amazon that my order had been pushed back to June. Looks like it's just the softback though as the website says it has hardbacks in so I've ordered one of those instead.
Really? Amazon insists that my copy of the paperback is arriving today.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Imbrie on May 23, 2017, 09:25:43 AM
Bought the e-book and started reading this morning. Finished the first chapter which is the Weyland and David scene and is pretty much what we saw on-screen.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 23, 2017, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 07:52:43 AMI received an email from Amazon that my order had been pushed back to June. Looks like it's just the softback though as the website says it has hardbacks in so I've ordered one of those instead.

Yeah, I had a similar email, although it didn't mention a date, just that they were awaiting stock from the supplier.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 11:28:41 AM
Mine said back to June. It's available on ebook so I've brought a copy while I wait for the hardback to arrive.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Mr. Clemens on May 23, 2017, 12:38:43 PM
Canada here. Amazon.ca says my copies of the novelization and the art book are in stock and 'preparing for shipment'.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 23, 2017, 01:35:23 PM
Aw man! I didn't get a hardback option and mine shipper yesterday! :-(
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 23, 2017, 02:50:34 PM
So when are you all starting to read ?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 02:55:00 PM
I read a couple of pages on my break but hopefully I'll get the time to have a read after work.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 23, 2017, 02:57:12 PM
Right now I'm reading the original trilogy by Alan dean foster. Just finished "alien" and starting "aliens" later today. After I finish that trilogy, I'm going to give resurrection a read, then go back to covenant. The movie let me down, so I'm not in a huge rush to read it. In fact, the only reason I plan to read it at all is in hopes that Alan dean foster finds some clever way to fix Ridley's mess.

On the plus side, I got a few bucks refunded to me on amazon. I guess the price dropped on one of my preorders (bug hunt) and amazon honored the price drop. So now I have enough store credit to preorder the prequel novel by ADF too. :-)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Anthony on May 23, 2017, 03:00:26 PM
I ordered the Novelization (as well as the art book) through Barnes And Noble, and they say it's in stores today, though I probably won't be able to get it until the weekend.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: BonesawT101 on May 23, 2017, 06:00:53 PM
Whats the verdict from what you guys have read so far? Any deviations or elaborations from the film? I have this, the collector's making of and the artbook all on order with amazon.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 06:52:48 PM
I've only had chance to read the first chapter and a bit but it's an extended opening prologue and what looks to be the deleted scene with Branson's character.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Robopadna on May 23, 2017, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 06:52:48 PM
I've only had chance to read the first chapter and a bit but it's an extended opening prologue and what looks to be the deleted scene with Branson's character.

Walter is more attached to Daniels without a doubt (or at least it explores their relationship a bit more).   He brings her weed.

Daniels also seems to be MUCH more hostile to Oram.

I'm at the point where they received the transmission and are talking about it.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 23, 2017, 11:20:02 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 23, 2017, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2017, 06:52:48 PM
I've only had chance to read the first chapter and a bit but it's an extended opening prologue and what looks to be the deleted scene with Branson's character.

Walter is more attached to Daniels without a doubt (or at least it explores their relationship a bit more).   He brings her weed.

Daniels also seems to be MUCH more hostile to Oram.

I'm at the point where they received the transmission and are talking about it.

He stole the weed from James Franco, huh? Lol jk
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Xenomrph on May 24, 2017, 01:49:57 AM
Got my copy in the mail today.

Glad to see it opens with "dreaming", like the old Alien 1-3 novelizations did.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 24, 2017, 01:53:39 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 24, 2017, 01:49:57 AM
Got my copy in the mail today.

Glad to see it opens with "dreaming", like the old Alien 1-3 novelizations did.
That's cool
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: felix on May 24, 2017, 06:03:02 AM
For those who's finished reading it. Any new material that was left out of the film?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Scott Conover on May 24, 2017, 06:43:48 AM
Quote from: felix on May 24, 2017, 06:03:02 AM
For those who's finished reading it. Any new material that was left out of the film?

Heaps of stuff. David copied the xeno design, they explain why they didi not wear helemets and there is more James Franco too
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: felix on May 24, 2017, 08:01:22 AM
Any scenes of David with Shaw?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 24, 2017, 08:03:37 AM
Got another email from Amazon today, and my copy's on it's way ;D

Quote from: Xenomrph on May 24, 2017, 01:49:57 AMGlad to see it opens with "dreaming", like the old Alien 1-3 novelizations did.

Sweet! I was hoping he'd do that.

Quote from: Scott Conover on May 24, 2017, 06:43:48 AMHeaps of stuff. David copied the xeno design, they explain why they didi not wear helemets and there is more James Franco too

Could you spoiler this stuff please?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: gantarat on May 24, 2017, 08:26:32 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 24, 2017, 08:03:37 AM
Quote from: Scott Conover on May 24, 2017, 06:43:48 AMHeaps of stuff. David copied the xeno design, they explain why they didi not wear helemets and there is more James Franco too

Could you spoiler this stuff please?

From Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/6ctw0e/reading_through_novelisation_some_of_the/
Spoiler

The biggest change is the scene with David and Oram in his little shop of horrors. It is filled with all manner of fascinating and gruesome sights, including a dissected Engineer's corpse, tiny preserved neomorph specimens that hatched out of insects, and, most notably, corpses (or at least models) of something that sounds suspiciously like the classic Giger alien. David even shows Oram a petrified facehugger's egg, which he reveals he euthanised because it was too aggressive. Oram looks inside this egg, at David's urging, and is comforted to find that the hugger inside is, as promised, quite dead. Tantalisingly, he mentions that this was left behind by the Engineers, saying it is a "supreme example of their skill." His attempts to create the alien, seemingly, are trying to emulate this one left by the Engineers. He also confirms that the aliens take on characteristics of their host species, a la the Dog Alien from Alien 3, which is a nice little detail.
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Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 24, 2017, 08:32:29 AM
I'm only on Chapter 5 but I'm liking the stuff with Mother having some personality. Really curious to read on more in light of the post above.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SiL on May 24, 2017, 08:49:15 AM
Really, really wish they'd just put that in the film.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Russ840 on May 24, 2017, 08:55:47 AM
Damn. I really wanna read this now.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: RidgeTop on May 24, 2017, 07:14:35 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 24, 2017, 08:49:15 AM
Really, really wish they'd just put that in the film.

It's pretty strange that Scott is hell-bent on his idea, but Fox seems to know fans hate it so they're doing a workaround in the Novel.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 24, 2017, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 24, 2017, 07:14:35 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 24, 2017, 08:49:15 AM
Really, really wish they'd just put that in the film.

It's pretty strange that Scott is hell-bent on his idea, but Fox seems to know fans hate it so they're doing a workaround in the Novel.

I know right? It's weird to me too! Makes me wonder if ADF decided to make this fix on his own, despite Ridley Scott... if that's the case, I'd trust ADF with the future of the series more than Ridley!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Samhain13 on May 24, 2017, 08:15:57 PM
Quote from: gantarat on May 24, 2017, 08:26:32 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 24, 2017, 08:03:37 AM
Quote from: Scott Conover on May 24, 2017, 06:43:48 AMHeaps of stuff. David copied the xeno design, they explain why they didi not wear helemets and there is more James Franco too

Could you spoiler this stuff please?

From Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/6ctw0e/reading_through_novelisation_some_of_the/
Spoiler

The biggest change is the scene with David and Oram in his little shop of horrors. It is filled with all manner of fascinating and gruesome sights, including a dissected Engineer's corpse, tiny preserved neomorph specimens that hatched out of insects, and, most notably, corpses (or at least models) of something that sounds suspiciously like the classic Giger alien. David even shows Oram a petrified facehugger's egg, which he reveals he euthanised because it was too aggressive. Oram looks inside this egg, at David's urging, and is comforted to find that the hugger inside is, as promised, quite dead. Tantalisingly, he mentions that this was left behind by the Engineers, saying it is a "supreme example of their skill." His attempts to create the alien, seemingly, are trying to emulate this one left by the Engineers. He also confirms that the aliens take on characteristics of their host species, a la the Dog Alien from Alien 3, which is a nice little detail.
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Finally some good news.

I will try to erase the movie from my mind and just stick with the novel. Are the chestbursters like they were in Covenant or the old snake design?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Ultramorph on May 24, 2017, 08:25:57 PM
^ The chestburster is the same as in the movie, but ADF outright says it has an accelerated life cycle.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 24, 2017, 08:31:21 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on May 24, 2017, 08:25:57 PM
^ The chestburster is the same as in the movie, but ADF outright says it has an accelerated life cycle.

Did he explain how or why this version has an accelerated lifecycle? And not the nostromo variety?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Samhain13 on May 24, 2017, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on May 24, 2017, 08:25:57 PM
^ The chestburster is the same as in the movie, but ADF outright says it has an accelerated life cycle.

Hmm... interesting. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Xenomorphine on May 24, 2017, 08:52:20 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 24, 2017, 07:14:35 PM
It's pretty strange that Scott is hell-bent on his idea, but Fox seems to know fans hate it so they're doing a workaround in the Novel.

I'm guessing that the final draft of the novelisation would have been handed in for publication well before the new film was released.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Xenomrph on May 25, 2017, 02:52:52 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 24, 2017, 08:52:20 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 24, 2017, 07:14:35 PM
It's pretty strange that Scott is hell-bent on his idea, but Fox seems to know fans hate it so they're doing a workaround in the Novel.

I'm guessing that the final draft of the novelisation would have been handed in for publication well before the new film was released.
That's generally the case, otherwise they wouldn't be able to publish the novel anywhere close to the movie's release date.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 26, 2017, 08:29:14 AM
Getting on for a third of the way through this now. Most interesting difference so far has been when they land on the planet:
Spoiler
Specifically how they send Walter out first to sample the atmosphere and check it won't, you know, kill them all in horrible ways. Really made a lot more sense than what the film shows. Wonder if that came from Ridley or Foster?
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Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 28, 2017, 01:47:36 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on May 23, 2017, 08:11:00 AM
Did you double check the language beforehand? The hardback version has a translator listed.

Lol. You were right.  :laugh: It was in Italian. Fortunately, Titan had unexpectedly sent me a softback review copy that arrived yesterday so I could finish the last half of the book with a real book in my hands.

I've gotta say, I prefer it over the film. Now I liked the actual film but I had huge problems with the Alien aspects of it. The alternatives presented by the novelization went over much better with me. I usually recommend people read the novelizations just to experience the differences but in the case - like Resurrection - the differences made for a better overall experience in my opinion.

Best get any questions you have ready as I'll be chatting to ADF at some point soon. Will start a thread when I'm ready.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: BonesawT101 on May 28, 2017, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 28, 2017, 01:47:36 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on May 23, 2017, 08:11:00 AM
Did you double check the language beforehand? The hardback version has a translator listed.

Lol. You were right.  :laugh: It was in Italian. Fortunately, Titan had unexpectedly sent me a softback review copy that arrived yesterday so I could finish the last half of the book with a real book in my hands.

I've gotta say, I prefer it over the film. Now I liked the actual film but I had huge problems with the Alien aspects of it. The alternatives presented by the novelization went over much better with me. I usually recommend people read the novelizations just to experience the differences but in the case - like Resurrection - the differences made for a better overall experience in my opinion.

Best get any questions you have ready as I'll be chatting to ADF at some point soon. Will start a thread when I'm ready.
Awesome. My big question for ADF would be where did the idea come from to have David try to recreate the aliens rather than the film's portrayal of David creating them himself. Was this in an earlier draft of script? Or is it something ADF came up with himself.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: banecat on May 29, 2017, 09:31:13 AM
a question for those who have read the entire novel..if you forget the film and compare this to other alien novels, where do you place it on the list?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: BountyHunter on May 29, 2017, 09:54:50 AM
So I just saw the movie on Friday, and went into it knowing the whole David created the Alien fiasco, but honestly I didn't really get that from watching the movie. I got that he made the batch that were actually in the film, but not that he created the entire species by himself. And now you're saying that the book says he just recreated the xenomorph from Engineer files?

Seems like this entire fiasco was being based on the fact that Scott made some offhand comment about David being their creator in some BTS video. I'm gonna stick with the film and the book over the director saying something, especially when said director changes his mind about stuff almost as much as George Lucas.

ps I loved the film, and so did my kids. It was especially fun for me because my 12 year old loves everything Aliens and Predator and this was his first Alien movie in the theatres. So a good time was had by all. 😊
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Robopadna on May 30, 2017, 12:34:48 AM
Quote from: BountyHunter on May 29, 2017, 09:54:50 AM
So I just saw the movie on Friday, and went into it knowing the whole David created the Alien fiasco, but honestly I didn't really get that from watching the movie. I got that he made the batch that were actually in the film, but not that he created the entire species by himself. And now you're saying that the book says he just recreated the xenomorph from Engineer files?

Seems like this entire fiasco was being based on the fact that Scott made some offhand comment about David being their creator in some BTS video. I'm gonna stick with the film and the book over the director saying something, especially when said director changes his mind about stuff almost as much as George Lucas.

ps I loved the film, and so did my kids. It was especially fun for me because my 12 year old loves everything Aliens and Predator and this was his first Alien movie in the theatres. So a good time was had by all. 😊

Ridley said he made it clear in the movies and certainly nothing else at all suggests that David creating them all isn't the case.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: 426Buddy on May 30, 2017, 02:47:13 AM
Quote from: BountyHunter on May 29, 2017, 09:54:50 AM
ps I loved the film, and so did my kids. It was especially fun for me because my 12 year old loves everything Aliens and Predator and this was his first Alien movie in the theatres. So a good time was had by all. 😊

Glad you and your family liked the film too, my wife and I had a great time at the theater and we both enjoyed the film as well.

I felt mostly the same as you and I agree with you that ultimately David will not be the orginator of the Alien as we know it despite what Scott currently insists.

There is a debate about it in the Covenant forum, but its a warzone over there. Mostly people repeating their arguments over and over for pages without end.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: BountyHunter on May 30, 2017, 03:15:02 AM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 30, 2017, 12:34:48 AM
Quote from: BountyHunter on May 29, 2017, 09:54:50 AM
So I just saw the movie on Friday, and went into it knowing the whole David created the Alien fiasco, but honestly I didn't really get that from watching the movie. I got that he made the batch that were actually in the film, but not that he created the entire species by himself. And now you're saying that the book says he just recreated the xenomorph from Engineer files?

Seems like this entire fiasco was being based on the fact that Scott made some offhand comment about David being their creator in some BTS video. I'm gonna stick with the film and the book over the director saying something, especially when said director changes his mind about stuff almost as much as George Lucas.

ps I loved the film, and so did my kids. It was especially fun for me because my 12 year old loves everything Aliens and Predator and this was his first Alien movie in the theatres. So a good time was had by all. 😊

Ridley said he made it clear in the movies and certainly nothing else at all suggests that David creating them all isn't the case.

Except it really isn't clear, regardless of what ppl are saying. It is easily left open to interpretation.

And again, so what in regards to  Ridley said it. Guy changes his mind more than I change my underwear.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 30, 2017, 03:25:15 AM
Quote from: BountyHunter on May 30, 2017, 03:15:02 AM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 30, 2017, 12:34:48 AM
Quote from: BountyHunter on May 29, 2017, 09:54:50 AM
So I just saw the movie on Friday, and went into it knowing the whole David created the Alien fiasco, but honestly I didn't really get that from watching the movie. I got that he made the batch that were actually in the film, but not that he created the entire species by himself. And now you're saying that the book says he just recreated the xenomorph from Engineer files?

Seems like this entire fiasco was being based on the fact that Scott made some offhand comment about David being their creator in some BTS video. I'm gonna stick with the film and the book over the director saying something, especially when said director changes his mind about stuff almost as much as George Lucas.

ps I loved the film, and so did my kids. It was especially fun for me because my 12 year old loves everything Aliens and Predator and this was his first Alien movie in the theatres. So a good time was had by all. 😊

Ridley said he made it clear in the movies and certainly nothing else at all suggests that David creating them all isn't the case.

Except it really isn't clear, regardless of what ppl are saying. It is easily left open to interpretation.

And again, so what in regards to  Ridley said it. Guy changes his mind more than I change my underwear.

Can I ask how it was left open for interpretation? Not trying to start an argument. This is an honest question. I only saw the movie once, and from my memory it didn't seem very ambiguous, but I could be remembering incorrectly...
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: BountyHunter on May 30, 2017, 05:32:21 AM
Well he basically says he was tinkering around with genetics. He doesn't outright say "I made this from scratch and they have never been around before". Plus the novel says he recreated from Engineer experiments. Plus David is a narcissistic liar. So to me, that leaves it open to interpretation. It can be taken as, yes, he created the xenomorph from scratch, or he just recreated.

Otherwise Scott just messed up everything.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on May 30, 2017, 05:35:58 AM
I knew it said otherwise in the novel... could have sworn the movie contradicted that, but again my memory might be fooling me. I hope you're right, I really do.

PS. I just realized that last part was a ripley quote. Lol. Not intentional, but intentionally left it. :-)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 30, 2017, 07:33:17 AM
The movie tells you David created them using the black goo and genetic experimentation. The novel says that the Engineers left behind an Egg and David tinkered with the design to create a different variation of it.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 30, 2017, 08:05:01 AM
Now that I've read the added lab scene dialogue in the novel, one thing I noticed regarding David creating the Aliens in the film vs. them pre-existing in the book:

The egg that David shows Oram in the book while explaining it was created by the Engineers before him actually appears in the film. I noticed it on my second viewing. He walks up to it in the foreground (at which point it's cropped mostly out of frame) and removes one side of it, then afterwards it is seen behind him, the side removed and a Facehugger inside. He never addresses it with dialogue, and it's never shown clearly, but it's there and he interacts with it. Seems the scene from the book, in which he states the Aliens are ancient, was probably filmed for the movie then cut out.

Even before reading the book, I kinda felt like there was a bit of a jump at that point in the film, as though something had been removed. Did Ridley come up with David being the ultimate creator during the editing process?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: banecat on May 30, 2017, 08:47:43 AM
great find there, will need to check that out on next viewing. i think you're right about scott doing that in editing, but hopefully a deleted scene expands on this
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: BountyHunter on May 30, 2017, 10:18:25 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 30, 2017, 08:05:01 AM
Now that I've read the added lab scene dialogue in the novel, one thing I noticed regarding David creating the Aliens in the film vs. them pre-existing in the book:

The egg that David shows Oram in the book while explaining it was created by the Engineers before him actually appears in the film. I noticed it on my second viewing. He walks up to it in the foreground (at which point it's cropped mostly out of frame) and removes one side of it, then afterwards it is seen behind him, the side removed and a Facehugger inside. He never addresses it with dialogue, and it's never shown clearly, but it's there and he interacts with it. Seems the scene from the book, in which he states the Aliens are ancient, was probably filmed for the movie then cut out.

Even before reading the book, I kinda felt like there was a bit of a jump at that point in the film, as though something had been removed. Did Ridley come up with David being the ultimate creator during the editing process?

Yeah I thought I noticed that, too. Another reason I think David is just exaggerating cuz he's a big egomaniacal liar. Lol

I'm not saying the movie didn't make it out that David is the creator, I'm just saying I'm not buying it. It's just too...stupid.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: BonesawT101 on May 30, 2017, 02:55:11 PM
The book is not canon though. Canon starts and ends with the film(s). In the film, David says he has "created it.... the perfect organism" in reference to the Alien. That's about as definitive as it gets. Some don't like it. I don't mind. Doesn't bother me at all. Some form of the creature has definitely existed prior to Prometheus even as the mural suggests. David has tinkered with the ancient tools at his disposal to create a new strain of Alien creature.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: BountyHunter on May 30, 2017, 03:31:07 PM
I created the perfect pizza last night. Doesn't mean it was the first pizza ever.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: BonesawT101 on May 30, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
Exactly. That's my point. A form of the creature(s) has existed prior to David's tinkering. All David has done  is play around with the ingredients to realise his version of the perfect organism, using ingredients and tools that have been used by the engineers for as long as they have existed.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: echobbase79 on May 30, 2017, 05:20:19 PM

I finished reading this last night and I thought it was much better than the movie. I actually preferred the ending in the novel where we only learn it's David when he starts to talk to mother. I hope this ending will show up as an alternate ending on the bluray. I know it was originally shot this way for the first test screening. 
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: BountyHunter on May 30, 2017, 05:32:33 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on May 30, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
Exactly. That's my point. A form of the creature(s) has existed prior to David's tinkering. All David has done  is play around with the ingredients to realise his version of the perfect organism, using ingredients and tools that have been used by the engineers for as long as they have existed.

Haha yeah, I knew what you meant. I was just trying to word it in an easier to understand way. Also, was being a bit of a smartass.  ;)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: BonesawT101 on May 30, 2017, 08:49:00 PM
 ;D :D 8)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Robopadna on May 31, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on May 30, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
Exactly. That's my point. A form of the creature(s) has existed prior to David's tinkering. All David has done  is play around with the ingredients to realise his version of the perfect organism, using ingredients and tools that have been used by the engineers for as long as they have existed.

The way Scott intends it to be interpreted is this (from what he has said and can be taken from the films):

The engineers made/discovered the accelerant - They created the deacon from the accelerant (you can see it in the mural) - David, unbeknownst to him, also creates the deacon (although the process is a little odd for the engineers to have done prior but hand wave that away) - David creates the xenos we all know in covenant and alien/aliens/alien 3/AR

So in a way he actively created the xenos we have seen in every movie (outside of the deacon and neo morphs) but he did it with a material that already had the property allowing him to do that.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Ingwar on Jun 01, 2017, 08:26:31 AM
Have to read that book.

SPOILERS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ3KKfELERs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ3KKfELERs)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 02, 2017, 01:48:55 PM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/alien-covenant-official-movie-novelization/

My thoughts on the book.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: D88M on Jun 02, 2017, 11:53:26 PM
so, there is nothing on what happened between Prometheus and Covenant? i still cannot believe how they discarded that movie and i found it to be the biggest flaw on the movie (besides the recycled ending), it was like a movie was missing in the middle, i hope we get something about that in Awakening
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: gabgrave on Jun 03, 2017, 06:38:55 AM

I just finished reading the book this morning, and wholly agree with Hick's review :)
It's an amazing book, and I highly recommend it for those who find the movie's lack of explanations of the characters motivations aggravating. The book does put most of the issues with the logic to rest.

Some parts that are still unaddressed would be questions like was that planet the Engineers' home world?

Why did the mutaphage cause the humans to develop neomorphs, but the engineers just seem to petrify where they stand? In the movie we can see that their bodies do start to melt and warp ala The Thing style, but shouldn't we expect all the hosts to have neomorphs appearing everywhere?

Also, in the sequence where the second facehugger was attacking the Sgt, it was written that Lope got an arm between the tube and his mouth, so there was no impregnation taking place at all. Thus, how did the alien that burst out of him on the ship came about? Did David/Wathers slip him something while on board? In that case, why not slip all the members something? He still had 3 mini eggs at the end.

And unfortunately, the family dynamics emotion issue is still lacking. I still found myself asking around the middle of the book who was whose spouse, especially the 'soldiers' contingent, as there was only 1 female but 5 guys. Did that mean there were 2 gay couples among the security team? None of the team besides the Sgt seemed to have any emotion about their other halves buying the farm, so it was really hard to tell and kinda degraded the whole 'ship made up of couples to generate emotional tension' concept, even in novel form. It seems likely that the original script just didn't bother with it beyond the more prominent characters, and no one caught on.

Possibly we can find the answers to the engineer questions in the tie in novel, so I'm looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2017, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 02, 2017, 01:48:55 PM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/alien-covenant-official-movie-novelization/

My thoughts on the book.

QuoteSomething I used find a little jarring about his style was the switch between character perspective and it returns here but those familiar with Foster's style will be fine.

What do you mean by this?

I've only ever read Foster's Dark Star. I'm not really big on film novelisations: the writers don't tend to be very good (literature snob...), but Foster is one of those rarities who's very talented.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jun 03, 2017, 08:40:43 PM
Quote from: gabgrave on Jun 03, 2017, 06:38:55 AM
Also, in the sequence where the second facehugger was attacking the Sgt, it was written that Lope got an arm between the tube and his mouth, so there was no impregnation taking place at all.

I enjoyed the book, but this bit bugged me too. It's almost as if ADF thought, 'however I try to explain this impregnation, it's gonna be a howler - so I'll just say nothing and hope no one notices.'  :P
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Xenomrph on Jun 04, 2017, 01:56:49 AM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on May 30, 2017, 02:55:11 PM
The book is not canon though. Canon starts and ends with the film(s).
That's your opinion, though.

Quote from: Robopadna on May 31, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on May 30, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
Exactly. That's my point. A form of the creature(s) has existed prior to David's tinkering. All David has done  is play around with the ingredients to realise his version of the perfect organism, using ingredients and tools that have been used by the engineers for as long as they have existed.

The way Scott intends it to be interpreted is this (from what he has said and can be taken from the films):

The engineers made/discovered the accelerant - They created the deacon from the accelerant (you can see it in the mural) - David, unbeknownst to him, also creates the deacon (although the process is a little odd for the engineers to have done prior but hand wave that away) - David creates the xenos we all know in covenant and alien/aliens/alien 3/AR

So in a way he actively created the xenos we have seen in every movie (outside of the deacon and neo morphs) but he did it with a material that already had the property allowing him to do that.
That may be his intent, and it's certainly one way to interpret the movie, but Ridley's intent is not the be-all end-all.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: gabgrave on Jun 04, 2017, 03:28:36 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 04, 2017, 01:56:49 AM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 31, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on May 30, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
Exactly. That's my point. A form of the creature(s) has existed prior to David's tinkering. All David has done  is play around with the ingredients to realise his version of the perfect organism, using ingredients and tools that have been used by the engineers for as long as they have existed.

The way Scott intends it to be interpreted is this (from what he has said and can be taken from the films):

The engineers made/discovered the accelerant - They created the deacon from the accelerant (you can see it in the mural) - David, unbeknownst to him, also creates the deacon (although the process is a little odd for the engineers to have done prior but hand wave that away) - David creates the xenos we all know in covenant and alien/aliens/alien 3/AR

So in a way he actively created the xenos we have seen in every movie (outside of the deacon and neo morphs) but he did it with a material that already had the property allowing him to do that.
That may be his intent, and it's certainly one way to interpret the movie, but Ridley's intent is not the be-all end-all.

Actually that wasn't what I got from that section of the novel. In the part where he was showing off the dead egg and facehugger (it was sectioned in the movie though), he ran his hand over the lined up creatures, which were narrated as having 'tough exoskeletons gleaming like black steel' he specifically said he wasn't responsible for their design, that was the engineers, who did it over thousands of years of bio/gene engineering. The novel has David saying 'I had nothing nothing to do with it. It lies as I found it...' regarding the dead egg and facehugger.
However with the decade he had, David experimented to come up with a 'new and improved' version of the xenomorph aliens, which can grow and mature at an accelerated rate, demonstrated by how the chestburster grew from the wormlike stage to the mini alien stage so fast such that the worm stage was barely perceivable (and in the movies it just looked like the alien showed up with limbs from the chest).

So David did NOT create the xenos we see in later films, at least, not according this section of the text. He merely 'improved' upon them.
How and why the eggs are created from the black goo or accelerant, or how the white neomorphs can be formed from the spores while the black xenomorphs are formed from the eggs with facehuggers, will need to wait for further movies...
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 04, 2017, 11:38:50 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2017, 01:31:09 PM
QuoteSomething I used find a little jarring about his style was the switch between character perspective and it returns here but those familiar with Foster's style will be fine.

What do you mean by this?

He switches between character perspective within the same block of text. Most authors would stick with one particular character throughout, Foster doesn't. I used to find it jarring but now I'm used to it, I don't.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Elmazalman on Jun 04, 2017, 12:55:22 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 04, 2017, 11:38:50 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2017, 01:31:09 PM
QuoteSomething I used find a little jarring about his style was the switch between character perspective and it returns here but those familiar with Foster's style will be fine.

What do you mean by this?

He switches between character perspective within the same block of text. Most authors would stick with one particular character throughout, Foster doesn't. I used to find it jarring but now I'm used to it, I don't.
Even Jones the cat got some perspective in ALIEN's novelisation.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 05, 2017, 08:04:40 AM
Quote from: D88M on Jun 02, 2017, 11:53:26 PMso, there is nothing on what happened between Prometheus and Covenant?

Foster is writing a whole other book to cover that.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: The Cruentus on Jun 09, 2017, 10:12:32 AM
Quote from: gabgrave on Jun 04, 2017, 03:28:36 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 04, 2017, 01:56:49 AM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 31, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on May 30, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
Exactly. That's my point. A form of the creature(s) has existed prior to David's tinkering. All David has done  is play around with the ingredients to realise his version of the perfect organism, using ingredients and tools that have been used by the engineers for as long as they have existed.

The way Scott intends it to be interpreted is this (from what he has said and can be taken from the films):

The engineers made/discovered the accelerant - They created the deacon from the accelerant (you can see it in the mural) - David, unbeknownst to him, also creates the deacon (although the process is a little odd for the engineers to have done prior but hand wave that away) - David creates the xenos we all know in covenant and alien/aliens/alien 3/AR

So in a way he actively created the xenos we have seen in every movie (outside of the deacon and neo morphs) but he did it with a material that already had the property allowing him to do that.
That may be his intent, and it's certainly one way to interpret the movie, but Ridley's intent is not the be-all end-all.
So David did NOT create the xenos we see in later films, at least, not according this section of the text. He merely 'improved' upon them.
How and why the eggs are created from the black goo or accelerant, or how the white neomorphs can be formed from the spores while the black xenomorphs are formed from the eggs with facehuggers, will need to wait for further movies...

Judging by how fast the Planet 4 Xenos grow, it is safe to say that it is not David's improved version that the nostromo crew and others come into contact with. Engineer Xenos do grow fast but not like David's. So the other Xenos encountered are the original ones which is a relief....or would be if the novel was canon but since it is contradicted by the movie.. :P
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 09, 2017, 01:45:36 PM
The novel's "reveal" that the Engineers created the Alien is beyond dumb. It read like ADF taking a break from telling the story to write a paragraph and say "Hey guys look I want the Engineers to be the creator of the Alien too!" and then he went back to telling the movie's story and David refers to them as his creations again.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 09, 2017, 01:54:24 PM
More like that was the original intention, then Ridley changed his mind - and edited the film - to suit. It wasn't something Foster made up. You can see that section has been cut from the scene in the film.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on Jun 09, 2017, 02:00:44 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 09, 2017, 01:54:24 PM
More like that was the original intention, then Ridley changed his mind - and edited the film - to suit. It wasn't something Foster made up. You can see that section has been cut from the scene in the film.
I agree with this. I think Ridley cut it from the film and changed his mind about the creators...
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: banecat on Jun 09, 2017, 07:26:51 PM
fingers crossed that a deleted scene shows, or expands, on this. i think it fits with david, wanting to be a creator, to not tell oram that he is continuing someone else's work
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Whos_Nick on Jun 09, 2017, 07:43:12 PM
He said in the Empire podcast for Covenant that the intention was always that the Engineers made them, but he changed it to David later on.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: felix on Jun 10, 2017, 09:53:00 PM
Be sure to check out the comments.
http://www.tor.com/2017/06/09/alan-dean-fosters-alien-covenant-novel-hardens-the-movies-sci-fi/
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Engineer on Jun 10, 2017, 10:07:26 PM
HA! ADF commented! That was cool. And an interesting insight. :-) thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: felix on Jun 10, 2017, 11:32:52 PM
Nothing official as yet. But i suspect Foster will be doing the novelization for the Last Jedi later this year.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 12, 2017, 08:18:09 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Jun 10, 2017, 10:07:26 PM
HA! ADF commented! That was cool. And an interesting insight. :-) thanks for sharing!

I think he mentioned that in my old old interview with him on the website.  :)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 12, 2017, 08:45:27 AM
He ghost-wrote the original novelisation, didn't he, as Lucas?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 12, 2017, 09:14:15 AM
I do believe so.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Jun 12, 2017, 11:04:59 AM
Yeah it so widely know now that it's mentioned in his bio at the end of his books.  GL is still credited as author of the Star Wars novelisation though.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Robopadna on Jun 12, 2017, 01:40:19 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 04, 2017, 01:56:49 AM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on May 30, 2017, 02:55:11 PM
The book is not canon though. Canon starts and ends with the film(s).
That's your opinion, though.

Quote from: Robopadna on May 31, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on May 30, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
Exactly. That's my point. A form of the creature(s) has existed prior to David's tinkering. All David has done  is play around with the ingredients to realise his version of the perfect organism, using ingredients and tools that have been used by the engineers for as long as they have existed.

The way Scott intends it to be interpreted is this (from what he has said and can be taken from the films):

The engineers made/discovered the accelerant - They created the deacon from the accelerant (you can see it in the mural) - David, unbeknownst to him, also creates the deacon (although the process is a little odd for the engineers to have done prior but hand wave that away) - David creates the xenos we all know in covenant and alien/aliens/alien 3/AR

So in a way he actively created the xenos we have seen in every movie (outside of the deacon and neo morphs) but he did it with a material that already had the property allowing him to do that.
That may be his intent, and it's certainly one way to interpret the movie, but Ridley's intent is not the be-all end-all.

In terms of how things happen in the 'real' Alien world, it is the end all be all.  He made his intent clear and said he thinks he made it glaringly clear in the film as well.  That is simply the end of the story.,

BUT you can fan fic it all you want.  It's a fictional universe so it isn't like anything actually happened.  If you want to pretend a film didn't happen or find a way to mentally maneuver around everything to come up with a crazy alternate hypothesis, go ahead.

Someone could say that David finds a way to manipulate time and travels back to leave the derelict and the eggs thousands of years in the past and they are later found in Alien.  Clearly the movie aren't going in this direction (nor are they going in any direction where david is not the clear sole creator of the alien creature we have seen in every movie) but there isn't anything technically saying that this ISN'T what happened.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Xenomrph on Jun 18, 2017, 03:41:44 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 05, 2017, 08:04:40 AM
Quote from: D88M on Jun 02, 2017, 11:53:26 PMso, there is nothing on what happened between Prometheus and Covenant?

Foster is writing a whole other book to cover that.
Apparently he's not, based on the plot summary of the Origins book we're getting.


Quote from: Robopadna on Jun 12, 2017, 01:40:19 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jun 04, 2017, 01:56:49 AM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on May 30, 2017, 02:55:11 PM
The book is not canon though. Canon starts and ends with the film(s).
That's your opinion, though.

Quote from: Robopadna on May 31, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on May 30, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
Exactly. That's my point. A form of the creature(s) has existed prior to David's tinkering. All David has done  is play around with the ingredients to realise his version of the perfect organism, using ingredients and tools that have been used by the engineers for as long as they have existed.

The way Scott intends it to be interpreted is this (from what he has said and can be taken from the films):

The engineers made/discovered the accelerant - They created the deacon from the accelerant (you can see it in the mural) - David, unbeknownst to him, also creates the deacon (although the process is a little odd for the engineers to have done prior but hand wave that away) - David creates the xenos we all know in covenant and alien/aliens/alien 3/AR

So in a way he actively created the xenos we have seen in every movie (outside of the deacon and neo morphs) but he did it with a material that already had the property allowing him to do that.
That may be his intent, and it's certainly one way to interpret the movie, but Ridley's intent is not the be-all end-all.

In terms of how things happen in the 'real' Alien world, it is the end all be all.  He made his intent clear and said he thinks he made it glaringly clear in the film as well.  That is simply the end of the story.,
Yeah except that it's not, because as you pointed out, it's fiction and people can have their own interpretations and opinions about it. Ridley Scott's is no better or more important than anyone else's, that's how art and fiction work.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Jun 28, 2017, 04:33:20 AM
General thoughts.  Read it twice now and really dug it.  Not too keen on a few of ADF's embellishments though.

Specifically...
- 'What's an environmental activist?'
- 'What's 'cheese'?'
- 'What's a 'West Virginia' anyway?'

It seems incongruous that people wouldn't be familiar with these things, seeing as it's not that far into the future (and states still exist in the US in 2179 for example) and each question results in a clunky explanation.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 28, 2017, 08:29:56 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 28, 2017, 04:33:20 AM- 'What's a 'West Virginia' anyway?'

Yeah, that seemed really dumb. I know what a 'Wessex' is, and that hasn't been a kingdom in the UK since the 10th century.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: windebieste on Jun 28, 2017, 10:32:22 AM
Do all the US states exist in the future 'ALIEN' universe as they do now?  Maybe West Virginia doesn't exist any more.  Maybe it's been divided up or consolidated into its neighbour states...  Hasn't there been talk of dividing California into 6 smaller states?  What's the political landscape of the US - or the rest of the world for that matter - going to look like in 100 years?  We're seeing political upheaval all the time and borders get redrawn.  Especially within single nations. 

Does 'San Angeles' mean anything to 'Blade Runner' fans, here?  You can bet the population of that mega city in 100 years probably wouldn't even be aware of that their megatropolis was once 2 separate cities.  "What's a San Diego?" might be a real question expressed in the 'BR' Universe.

It's not that hard to come to grips with, really.   Foster is clearly expressing changes in the political climate, not just in terms of geography and what you may consider common knowledge.  'Common knowledge', it turns out, isn't that common.

The same can be said for 'environmental activist'.  The phrase may not be in use in 50 years.  It's a reasonable question.  As for 'cheese', it's the same deal.  Maybe the character comes from a colony world where cheese is unknown - is her origin explained in the book?  Maybe cheese is only eaten by the wealthy, like people who own animals in the 'BR' Universe. 

Shit, man.  I expect most people living in the 'BR' universe probably couldn't name 10 breeds of dog.  I expect other parallels would exist in the 'ALIEN' Universe. 

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Anthony on Jun 28, 2017, 03:26:26 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 28, 2017, 04:33:20 AM

- 'What's 'cheese'?'

"Cheese is a food derived from milk that is produced in a wide range of flavors, textures, and forms by coagulation of the milk protein casein. It comprises proteins and fat from milk, usually the milk of cows, buffalo, goats, or sheep." - Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jun 28, 2017, 03:40:55 PM
Huh, 'buffalo milk'....... spicy!  ;D
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 28, 2017, 04:22:44 PM
I had reindeer cheese one and it was lovely!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Jun 28, 2017, 11:25:42 PM
Quote from: Anthony on Jun 28, 2017, 03:26:26 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 28, 2017, 04:33:20 AM

- 'What's 'cheese'?'

"Cheese is a food derived from milk that is produced in a wide range of flavors, textures, and forms by coagulation of the milk protein casein. It comprises proteins and fat from milk, usually the milk of cows, buffalo, goats, or sheep." - Wikipedia.

Almost as clunky as the explanation in the book.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 03:45:24 AM
Overriding the limited capacity of the lift's internal automatic stabilizer's, he turned the dorsal side of the ship back towards the surface below.

Caught by the surprise manuever, the alien lost its grasp on the smooth front of the cab and started to slide...

At that moment the alien life form faced two options.  Get pushed off the lift, or attack the oncoming mechanism.  It proved an easy choice.


pg 312

"Why did the alien 'attack' the crane?"  That's Alan Dean Foster's explanation.  Some people seemed to have an issue with that.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 21, 2018, 08:03:06 AM
It getting an explanation in the book doesn't mean the scene plays out any better in the film.

Foster had to "explain" a lot of stuff in the novel. If anything, it made some of the movie's flaws more obvious.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Jun 21, 2018, 08:39:17 AM
That bit didn't need any explanation.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: The Cruentus on Jun 21, 2018, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 03:45:24 AM
Overriding the limited capacity of the lift's internal automatic stabilizer's, he turned the dorsal side of the ship back towards the surface below.

Caught by the surprise manuever, the alien lost its grasp on the smooth front of the cab and started to slide...

At that moment the alien life form faced two options.  Get pushed off the lift, or attack the oncoming mechanism.  It proved an easy choice.


pg 312

"Why did the alien 'attack' the crane?"  That's Alan Dean Foster's explanation.  Some people seemed to have an issue with that.

Well the fact that it had more than just two options might be a reason, the Alien was fast and could easily dodge. I do feel sorry for ADF, the fact he has to do all that explaining in the first place means he must have been frustrated and unhappy with the way film went down, so he tried his best to "fix" it.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 09:43:08 PM
How do you know that he wrote it after watching the film?


Just finished the book.  A little too short at about 330 pages.  Would have liked some more explanations, but ADF probably had his hands tied. 

Anyway, found this quote by 'Walter' about the Engineers interesting:

"From everything that I saw and experienced, as well as learned from David, the civilisation of the Engineers was not one with whom compassionate coexistence was possible.  True, there was beauty and elegance in their art and science, but there was also arrogance.  I do not think they were pleased to suffer any intelligences save their own."

pg 321
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 25, 2018, 04:31:15 AM
I guess that tracks.

Man, that actually hit me with a wave of depression. Rather bleak.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 29, 2018, 02:33:57 AM
Bleak is the perfect description.  It makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 29, 2018, 12:42:05 PM
So... the Engineers are space Nazis.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 02, 2018, 12:19:52 AM
Why are they space Nazis?

Nazi actually means 'National Socialist', btw.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 12:25:41 AM
Wow! Really??? (https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001)

Perhaps this is what Perfect-Organism was referring to...
QuoteI do not think they were pleased to suffer any intelligences save their own.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 02, 2018, 12:31:55 AM
Master race
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 12:34:35 AM
Well they are really, really white.  ;D
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 02, 2018, 12:42:45 AM
Again with your virtue signalling racism, SM.  Getting predictable by now, or is that bait?

I shouldn't have to tell you that racism is racism, doesn't matter who it is aimed at.

As for the 'Nazis', 'Nazi' is just a label, I hope you're not referring to the German people (men, women and children) who lived during the era of WW2.  That would be as racist as calling all dark skinned people 'you know what'.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 12:46:37 AM
Again with the pretentious drivel.

You asked the question; I answered what I thought P-O was referring to.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 02, 2018, 12:52:56 AM
Guy never gets tired of defending Nazis and telling everyone they're brainwashed by liberal elites.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 02, 2018, 01:55:56 AM
If you actually want to debate the facts instead of childish name-calling and insults, then give me a bell.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:28:16 AM
Yeah, nah.

I don't know why you even got on your Nazi defending bandwagon on this thread in the first place.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Xenomrph on Jul 02, 2018, 02:32:45 AM
I was skimming this thread and thought, "defending Nazis? That's got to be hyperbole or Godwin's Law or something, right?"

And I read the thread in more detail and, uh, yikes.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 02, 2018, 02:35:19 AM
Yes, the racism and ignorance in this thread is shocking, I agree.

Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 02, 2018, 02:39:33 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 02, 2018, 01:55:56 AM
If you actually want to debate the facts instead of childish name-calling and insults, then give me a bell.

Name-calling? What name have you been called?

You think describing what you do in every thread is name calling and childish insult?

Aaaand no, I'm not looking to debate what you think the merits and good intentions of the Third Reich are. I just come here to read and discuss Aliens and Predators.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Xenomrph on Jul 02, 2018, 02:43:30 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 02, 2018, 02:35:19 AM
Yes, the racism and ignorance in this thread is shocking, I agree.


Defending Nazis is bad, mmkay.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 02, 2018, 02:47:40 AM
And what is a 'Nazi'?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:52:24 AM
Are there any in the Alien Covenant novelisation?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Huggs on Jul 02, 2018, 02:53:21 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 09:43:08 PM
Anyway, found this quote by 'Walter' about the Engineers interesting:

"From everything that I saw and experienced, as well as learned from David, the civilisation of the Engineers was not one with whom compassionate coexistence was possible.  True, there was beauty and elegance in their art and science, but there was also arrogance.  I do not think they were pleased to suffer any intelligences save their own."

pg 321

Pardon me whilst I jump over the political hole. But man, that quote is heavy. Count on Foster to explain more about the engineers in one paragraph than a whole movie did in 2 hours.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Huggs on Jul 02, 2018, 03:02:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.

Maybe it was he who seeded our planet and died in Prometheus. Maybe that's why they wanted us dead. Because we were his. Another form of humanoid intelligence that could one day rival theirs.

I always wondered why that ship they arrived in was so different. Maybe they were outcasts, breaking the law to accomplish something great. Carrying the fire off to somewhere else.

Maybe creation itself was the sin. His gift was not fire, but life, existence, the possibility of knowledge.

To get biblical, God and the angels did not want adam and eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, for they would become like God. Nor were we to eat from the tree of life, then we would live forever like the angels, and indeed, God himself.

Perhaps the engineers never cared about humanity. Perhaps we are a sin, a mistake, an act of disobedience.


And just for the sake of it, wasn't that the same ship that was shooting at the derelict in that easter egg from A:CM? So maybe this was all part of some civil war. Take the goo from lv-223, get to a habitable planet, seed, and escape. A fight with the derelict, which crashes. Bob's your uncle, there it is.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Xenomrph on Jul 02, 2018, 03:11:23 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.
This is a pretty slick theory.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 03:18:36 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 02, 2018, 03:02:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.

Maybe it was he who seeded our planet and died in Prometheus. Maybe that's why they wanted us dead. Because we were his. Another form of humanoid intelligence that could one day rival theirs.

I always wondered why that ship they arrived in was so different. Maybe they were outcasts, breaking the law to accomplish something great. Carrying the fire off to somewhere else.

Maybe creation itself was the sin. His gift was not fire, but life, existence, the possibility of knowledge.

To get biblical, God and the angels did not want adam and eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, for they would become like God. Nor were we to eat from the tree of life, then we would live forever like the angels, and indeed, God himself.

Perhaps the engineers never cared about humanity. Perhaps we are a sin, a mistake, an act of disobedience.


And just for the sake of it, wasn't that the same ship that was shooting at the derelict in that easter egg from A:CM? So maybe this was all part of some civil war. Take the goo from lv-223, get to a habitable planet, seed, and escape. A fight with the derelict, which crashes. Bob's your uncle, there it is.

All those theories could work too.

The ship in the A:CM Easter Egg looks more like the LV-426 Derelict (U-shaped) rather than the rounder LV-223 ship.  And it's flying the wrong way.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: The Old One on Jul 02, 2018, 03:39:48 AM
The "disc" in ACM is also an upside down Space Jockey, so I wouldn't put that much thought into it.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 02, 2018, 03:41:57 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 12:25:41 AM
Wow! Really??? (https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001)

Perhaps this is what Perfect-Organism was referring to...
QuoteI do not think they were pleased to suffer any intelligences save their own.

Yes, that is exactly what I was referring to.  The engineers, described in that paragraph are like German Nazis from space.  Moreover, being Polish, I know exactly what a German Nazi is Scorpio.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 02, 2018, 03:57:55 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 03:18:36 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 02, 2018, 03:02:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.

Maybe it was he who seeded our planet and died in Prometheus. Maybe that's why they wanted us dead. Because we were his. Another form of humanoid intelligence that could one day rival theirs.

I always wondered why that ship they arrived in was so different. Maybe they were outcasts, breaking the law to accomplish something great. Carrying the fire off to somewhere else.

Maybe creation itself was the sin. His gift was not fire, but life, existence, the possibility of knowledge.

To get biblical, God and the angels did not want adam and eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, for they would become like God. Nor were we to eat from the tree of life, then we would live forever like the angels, and indeed, God himself.

Perhaps the engineers never cared about humanity. Perhaps we are a sin, a mistake, an act of disobedience.


And just for the sake of it, wasn't that the same ship that was shooting at the derelict in that easter egg from A:CM? So maybe this was all part of some civil war. Take the goo from lv-223, get to a habitable planet, seed, and escape. A fight with the derelict, which crashes. Bob's your uncle, there it is.

All those theories could work too.

The ship in the A:CM Easter Egg looks more like the LV-426 Derelict (U-shaped) rather than the rounder LV-223 ship.  And it's flying the wrong way.

You lost this time Riddle's mysterious box of mystery  :) 

(https://i.imgur.com/QZGeN6H.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2018, 07:30:01 AM
Right, well I'm bored of a certain someone's constant trolling and "woe is me." Just a reminder that my patience only extends so long when it comes to that. And it's now run out. Good bye!


Quote from: Huggs on Jul 02, 2018, 03:02:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.

Maybe it was he who seeded our planet and died in Prometheus. Maybe that's why they wanted us dead. Because we were his. Another form of humanoid intelligence that could one day rival theirs.

I always wondered why that ship they arrived in was so different. Maybe they were outcasts, breaking the law to accomplish something great. Carrying the fire off to somewhere else.

Maybe creation itself was the sin. His gift was not fire, but life, existence, the possibility of knowledge.

To get biblical, God and the angels did not want adam and eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, for they would become like God. Nor were we to eat from the tree of life, then we would live forever like the angels, and indeed, God himself.

Perhaps the engineers never cared about humanity. Perhaps we are a sin, a mistake, an act of disobedience.


And just for the sake of it, wasn't that the same ship that was shooting at the derelict in that easter egg from A:CM? So maybe this was all part of some civil war. Take the goo from lv-223, get to a habitable planet, seed, and escape. A fight with the derelict, which crashes. Bob's your uncle, there it is.

I really like these ideas. Be nice to add some dimension to the Engineers with differing factions. Or more clear motivations.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 02, 2018, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.

Yeah, I also really like this idea. That we are a mistake to most Engineers and it's just one small group or one individual even who made us and kept visiting us. Story wise, that would be very interesting. Life on this planet would then be the result of one guys compassion and kindness.
The horror of it all would be even greater if this was the case, because a kind Engineer created and taught us and we then created David who killed the (maybe) last Engineers and created the Alien which might spell the doom for humanity.
All that hard work Mr. Prometheus and it might all blow up on itself.
Imagine, the compassionate act of one godlike being leads to the Xenomorph infesting the galaxy like a virus, killing all other creatures.

As Hicks said, we need more clear motivation for what the Engineers did. We all like to speculate, but too many things are up in the air which is dangerous when sequels are not certain. A few more hints would be appreciated.  :) What worries me is that it seems that there was never a decisive plan for what the Engineers were and what they did what they did. And if the production never had a definite idea, then contradictions have a much greater chance of happening.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: FenGiddel on Jul 02, 2018, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.
I like it, I like it!
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 08:02:41 PM
I can't claim credit.  I heard it from former member Eva.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: FenGiddel on Jul 02, 2018, 10:28:42 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 08:02:41 PM
I can't claim credit.  I heard it from former member Eva.
Hooray for Eva!


BTW: I've got some work I'd love for you to take a look at? Check your low-band hyperstate channels?
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 10:38:45 PM
Sorted.
Title: Re: Alien: Covenant Novelization
Post by: FenGiddel on Jul 04, 2018, 12:11:41 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 10:38:45 PM
Sorted.
Thankee! ;D