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Posted by FenGiddel
 - Jul 04, 2018, 12:11:41 AM
Posted by SM
 - Jul 02, 2018, 10:38:45 PM
Sorted.
Posted by FenGiddel
 - Jul 02, 2018, 10:28:42 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 08:02:41 PM
I can't claim credit.  I heard it from former member Eva.
Hooray for Eva!


BTW: I've got some work I'd love for you to take a look at? Check your low-band hyperstate channels?
Posted by SM
 - Jul 02, 2018, 08:02:41 PM
I can't claim credit.  I heard it from former member Eva.
Posted by FenGiddel
 - Jul 02, 2018, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.
I like it, I like it!
Posted by Still Collating...
 - Jul 02, 2018, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.

Yeah, I also really like this idea. That we are a mistake to most Engineers and it's just one small group or one individual even who made us and kept visiting us. Story wise, that would be very interesting. Life on this planet would then be the result of one guys compassion and kindness.
The horror of it all would be even greater if this was the case, because a kind Engineer created and taught us and we then created David who killed the (maybe) last Engineers and created the Alien which might spell the doom for humanity.
All that hard work Mr. Prometheus and it might all blow up on itself.
Imagine, the compassionate act of one godlike being leads to the Xenomorph infesting the galaxy like a virus, killing all other creatures.

As Hicks said, we need more clear motivation for what the Engineers did. We all like to speculate, but too many things are up in the air which is dangerous when sequels are not certain. A few more hints would be appreciated.  :) What worries me is that it seems that there was never a decisive plan for what the Engineers were and what they did what they did. And if the production never had a definite idea, then contradictions have a much greater chance of happening.
Posted by Corporal Hicks
 - Jul 02, 2018, 07:30:01 AM
Right, well I'm bored of a certain someone's constant trolling and "woe is me." Just a reminder that my patience only extends so long when it comes to that. And it's now run out. Good bye!


Quote from: Huggs on Jul 02, 2018, 03:02:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.

Maybe it was he who seeded our planet and died in Prometheus. Maybe that's why they wanted us dead. Because we were his. Another form of humanoid intelligence that could one day rival theirs.

I always wondered why that ship they arrived in was so different. Maybe they were outcasts, breaking the law to accomplish something great. Carrying the fire off to somewhere else.

Maybe creation itself was the sin. His gift was not fire, but life, existence, the possibility of knowledge.

To get biblical, God and the angels did not want adam and eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, for they would become like God. Nor were we to eat from the tree of life, then we would live forever like the angels, and indeed, God himself.

Perhaps the engineers never cared about humanity. Perhaps we are a sin, a mistake, an act of disobedience.


And just for the sake of it, wasn't that the same ship that was shooting at the derelict in that easter egg from A:CM? So maybe this was all part of some civil war. Take the goo from lv-223, get to a habitable planet, seed, and escape. A fight with the derelict, which crashes. Bob's your uncle, there it is.

I really like these ideas. Be nice to add some dimension to the Engineers with differing factions. Or more clear motivations.
Posted by Immortan Jonesy
 - Jul 02, 2018, 03:57:55 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 03:18:36 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 02, 2018, 03:02:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.

Maybe it was he who seeded our planet and died in Prometheus. Maybe that's why they wanted us dead. Because we were his. Another form of humanoid intelligence that could one day rival theirs.

I always wondered why that ship they arrived in was so different. Maybe they were outcasts, breaking the law to accomplish something great. Carrying the fire off to somewhere else.

Maybe creation itself was the sin. His gift was not fire, but life, existence, the possibility of knowledge.

To get biblical, God and the angels did not want adam and eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, for they would become like God. Nor were we to eat from the tree of life, then we would live forever like the angels, and indeed, God himself.

Perhaps the engineers never cared about humanity. Perhaps we are a sin, a mistake, an act of disobedience.


And just for the sake of it, wasn't that the same ship that was shooting at the derelict in that easter egg from A:CM? So maybe this was all part of some civil war. Take the goo from lv-223, get to a habitable planet, seed, and escape. A fight with the derelict, which crashes. Bob's your uncle, there it is.

All those theories could work too.

The ship in the A:CM Easter Egg looks more like the LV-426 Derelict (U-shaped) rather than the rounder LV-223 ship.  And it's flying the wrong way.

You lost this time Riddle's mysterious box of mystery  :) 

Posted by Perfect-Organism
 - Jul 02, 2018, 03:41:57 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 12:25:41 AM
Wow! Really???

Perhaps this is what Perfect-Organism was referring to...
QuoteI do not think they were pleased to suffer any intelligences save their own.

Yes, that is exactly what I was referring to.  The engineers, described in that paragraph are like German Nazis from space.  Moreover, being Polish, I know exactly what a German Nazi is Scorpio.
Posted by The Old One
 - Jul 02, 2018, 03:39:48 AM
The "disc" in ACM is also an upside down Space Jockey, so I wouldn't put that much thought into it.
Posted by SM
 - Jul 02, 2018, 03:18:36 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 02, 2018, 03:02:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.

Maybe it was he who seeded our planet and died in Prometheus. Maybe that's why they wanted us dead. Because we were his. Another form of humanoid intelligence that could one day rival theirs.

I always wondered why that ship they arrived in was so different. Maybe they were outcasts, breaking the law to accomplish something great. Carrying the fire off to somewhere else.

Maybe creation itself was the sin. His gift was not fire, but life, existence, the possibility of knowledge.

To get biblical, God and the angels did not want adam and eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, for they would become like God. Nor were we to eat from the tree of life, then we would live forever like the angels, and indeed, God himself.

Perhaps the engineers never cared about humanity. Perhaps we are a sin, a mistake, an act of disobedience.


And just for the sake of it, wasn't that the same ship that was shooting at the derelict in that easter egg from A:CM? So maybe this was all part of some civil war. Take the goo from lv-223, get to a habitable planet, seed, and escape. A fight with the derelict, which crashes. Bob's your uncle, there it is.

All those theories could work too.

The ship in the A:CM Easter Egg looks more like the LV-426 Derelict (U-shaped) rather than the rounder LV-223 ship.  And it's flying the wrong way.
Posted by Xenomrph
 - Jul 02, 2018, 03:11:23 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.
This is a pretty slick theory.
Posted by Huggs
 - Jul 02, 2018, 03:02:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.

Maybe it was he who seeded our planet and died in Prometheus. Maybe that's why they wanted us dead. Because we were his. Another form of humanoid intelligence that could one day rival theirs.

I always wondered why that ship they arrived in was so different. Maybe they were outcasts, breaking the law to accomplish something great. Carrying the fire off to somewhere else.

Maybe creation itself was the sin. His gift was not fire, but life, existence, the possibility of knowledge.

To get biblical, God and the angels did not want adam and eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, for they would become like God. Nor were we to eat from the tree of life, then we would live forever like the angels, and indeed, God himself.

Perhaps the engineers never cared about humanity. Perhaps we are a sin, a mistake, an act of disobedience.


And just for the sake of it, wasn't that the same ship that was shooting at the derelict in that easter egg from A:CM? So maybe this was all part of some civil war. Take the goo from lv-223, get to a habitable planet, seed, and escape. A fight with the derelict, which crashes. Bob's your uncle, there it is.
Posted by SM
 - Jul 02, 2018, 02:58:11 AM
If true one would have to consider why they went around creating other intelligences.

Maybe millennia ago, they were more compassionate.  I've always liked the theory that the Engineer who appears in the pictograms is the same Engineer over and over, who can be dubbed Prometheus.  He knew that at some point the Engineers would wipe us out and tried to encourage us to develop to a point where we could be in a position to perhaps stop them.  He at least, had compassion.
Posted by Huggs
 - Jul 02, 2018, 02:53:21 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 21, 2018, 09:43:08 PM
Anyway, found this quote by 'Walter' about the Engineers interesting:

"From everything that I saw and experienced, as well as learned from David, the civilisation of the Engineers was not one with whom compassionate coexistence was possible.  True, there was beauty and elegance in their art and science, but there was also arrogance.  I do not think they were pleased to suffer any intelligences save their own."

pg 321

Pardon me whilst I jump over the political hole. But man, that quote is heavy. Count on Foster to explain more about the engineers in one paragraph than a whole movie did in 2 hours.
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