Alien Covenant Fan Reviews

Started by Darkness, May 09, 2017, 05:39:30 PM

What did you think of Alien Covenant?

Loved it. (5/5)
99 (21.6%)
Good, it was enjoyable. (4/5)
148 (32.3%)
It was okay. (3/5)
89 (19.4%)
Could have been better. (2/5)
60 (13.1%)
Didn't like it. (1/5)
32 (7%)
Hated it! (0/5)
30 (6.6%)

Total Members Voted: 456

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Alien Covenant Fan Reviews (Read 277,010 times)

Corporal Hicks

Corporal Hicks

#60
In general I really liked him. I liked all of them, actually. It's just when
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Oram let David lead him downstairs
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that I was disappointed.

markweatherill

markweatherill

#61
Quote from: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 06:02:48 AM
Saw it this morning.  Loved it. 

Here's my full review.  Minor spoilers present, nothing anyone here wouldn't be aware of, I think.



-Windebieste.

Reassured me a bit, thanks! I'm seeing it tonight.

gantarat

gantarat

#62
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 07:50:18 AM
In general I really liked him. I liked all of them, actually. It's just when
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Oram let David lead him downstairs
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that I was disappointed.

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and then david trow rock/stone to wake him up.
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newagescamartist

Quote from: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 06:02:48 AM
Saw it this morning.  Loved it. 

Here's my full review.  Minor spoilers present, nothing anyone here wouldn't be aware of, I think.



-Windebieste.

Great write up. The good reviews still have me excited. I can't believe I have to wait another few weeks to see this.

SiL

SiL

#64
Quote from: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 07:49:20 AM
There are still worse characters in 'PROMETHEUS'.
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I don't think anything compares to Oram's stupidity in trusting David.

David "I've spent the last time tinkering with this extremely volatile thing to make new and terrifying creatures! I'm giving you no reassurance whatsoever that I'm trying to pacify them, just that I'm 'improving' them by genetically splicing them with a parasitic wasp! Here are some samples, please stick your face in it!"

Oram: "Okay!"
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windebieste

windebieste

#65
There's no reason for Oram to doubt David or be suspicious of his duplicitous nature. 

Up until that point, David has only demonstrated a preparedness to help.  Oram isn't aware of what David's motivations are at this stage.  He's trusting of the android for good reason - the android that accompanied him on the Covenant is a similar model (updated to varying degrees) wouldn't be capable of causing harm.  He'd trust Walter with just about anything, as far as Oram is concerned, David isn't harmful either - until it's too late. 

-Windebieste.


SiL

SiL

#66
Quote from: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 08:30:41 AM
Oram isn't aware of what David's motivations are at this stage.
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David was trying to hold a conversation with one of the things that killed Oram's crew members.
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Mostly spoiler free review:

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I think the best one-word review of Covenant would be "breathless". It moves at a fairly ruthless pace, pulling the audience from one tragedy to the next in fast succession. For the first half of the film, this is fine — it allows us to experience the kind of disorientation that our characters and, and hurls us into the action just as much as them. For the second half, however, it seems to transition from brisk pacing to simply rushing.

There's a lot of nice things to say about Covenant. The atmosphere in the first act places us pretty firmly in the world of Alien. Space is equal parts romantic and ominous; pretty to look at while hiding deadly traps. Our crew are regular people who feel real. Nobody seems ham-fisted into acting one way or another for the sake of plot or convenience; everyone's coming from somewhere and everyone reacts like actual people would.

Tension amongst the crew of the eponymous Covenant start fast. Tragedy strikes the ship, killing several members in their cryo-tubes. One happens to be the captain, placing the second in command, Oram (Billy Crudup), in full command before he's completely ready. He wants to run the situation as by the book as possible; pack away the dead, run diagnostics, fix the ship, return to sleep. Everyone else wants to hold a funeral. They're both realistic responses.

After detecting a mysterious transmission, the crew decides to investigate the source — a seemingly inhabitable planet. Daniels (Waterstone) thinks this is risky, but everyone else agrees that not dying in their sleep sounds like a wonderful idea. A landing party sets down on the planet, and tragedy invariably follows.

The initial tragedies — the infection of some of the crew by alien spores, the birth of horrifying "neomorph" creatures, the destruction of their landing vessel — are tense, nail-biting stuff. There's a genuine sense of distress from all involved. The crew is made of couples; everyone that dies is someone's husband or wife. The characters respond to these losses with due emotional weight.

It feeds into a sense of dread that is only partially allayed when David (Fassbender) saves the crew — partially, because he then immediately walks them to a city of corpses. Engineer corpses. It's an interesting turn; outside, where it was idyllic paradise, was unsafe and deadly. Inside, surrounded by corpses, it's ostensibly safe. You could cut the unease with a knife.

And then, to put it frankly, the film shits itself.

Where whisking the audience through the first half put us equal with the characters, the speed with which the second half unfolds leaves us unable to process much information.

Scott said he wanted to scare us, but there's no time for fear here. One character almost immediately walks off on their own without an escort and meets a predictable fate. Wherein the first half each death felt like a tragedy, the second half has characters all but literally tripping over corpses without much concern.

Fassbender's David in Prometheus is creepy. He's Not Quite Right. He composes himself as an aloof butler who hates his lot in life and is absolutely plotting to murder you. There's clearly something sinister and amoral simmering beneath, but it's always there; beneath. Here, however, he's just a bad guy. Ranting, pontificating, and about as subtle as a wood nail to the throat. He's a Bond villain describing his grand scheme for humanity. Beyond the blue jumpsuit he feels utterly different to the David we knew.

And then, at last, there's the Alien.

Whether certain revelations will satisfy or enrage the audience is something everyone will need to work out for themselves, but there's perhaps something we can all agree on: you can almost feel the contempt with which Scott included them back into the story.

There's no reason for the Alien to be here other than the film's title. They achieve nothing. They are utterly unremarkable. They act and move almost identically to the Neomorphs, and indeed beyond looking different and having acid blood there's no appreciable difference. They could have kept the Neomorphs throughout the entire film and not a damned thing would change.

Which is, more than anything, perhaps the most disappointing thing about the film. The last act is the Cliffs Notes of the original Alien, sans any sense of fear, dread, foreboding, or even mild interest. We've seen this before, and the very climax we have seen three times before.

Where the first half of the film was new and interesting, the second half feels like Ridley Scott responding to criticism over the lack of Aliens in a mocking tone. It happens because he thinks that's what people wanted, not because it feels right or even resolves the story in a particularly satisfying way.

Is the film terrible? No. This franchise has certainly generated worse. But like its predecessor it's an undeniably flawed film; how much these flaws bother you will be up to you to decide, and may largely be proportional to how much of a fan you are of these movies.

6/10
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windebieste

windebieste

#67
Oram is a dumbass, yes.  He's like that one, idiot manager everyone has at work who you wonder how he got that job in the first place. 

It's just sad that such people do actually exist in positions of responsibility.

-Windebieste.

SiL

SiL

#68
Quote from: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 09:05:30 AM
Oram is a dumbass, yes.  He's like that one, idiot manager everyone has at work who you wonder how he got that job in the first place. 

It's just sad that such people do actually exist in positions of responsibility.

-Windebieste.
Exactly!

HuDaFuK

HuDaFuK

#69
Quote from: gantarat on May 11, 2017, 07:55:55 AM
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and then david trow rock/stone to wake him up.
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I actually really liked that. It was a neat character moment.

Corporal Hicks

Corporal Hicks

#70
Me too, actually. It was just one of those funny humanized David things.

HuDaFuK

HuDaFuK

#71
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 10, 2017, 04:49:08 PMMy overall feeling is that it was a decent film, but had some flaws, and as an Alien fan a few things really pissed me off.

This is pretty much spot-on.

Xenoscream

Xenoscream

#72
I think you are giving Oram a bad rap, I thought he was a good character, not particularly likeable or capable, but he knows that and struggles with it. He admits when he's wrong and actually tries to do the right thing, yeah he had a bit of a dumb end but nothing, nowhere near as bad a Milburn in prometheus.

HuDaFuK

HuDaFuK

#73
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 07:40:17 AMHe was the only character I had any issue with. Farris might have been pushing it.

Faris' actions seemed justified to me in that she was freaking the f*ck out. People are stupid when they panic.


Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2017, 08:57:09 AMMostly spoiler free review:

That was great. Really summed up my thoughts far better than I could.

Corporal Hicks

Corporal Hicks

#74
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 11, 2017, 09:24:32 AM
I think you are giving Oram a bad rap, I thought he was a good character, not particularly likeable or capable, but he knows that and struggles with it. He admits when he's wrong and actually tries to do the right thing, yeah he had a bit of a dumb end but nothing, nowhere near as bad a Milburn in prometheus.

As a character I liked him. I really liked Crudup's take on him. Just that particular decision didn't sit well with me.

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