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Poll
Question: What did you think of Alien Covenant?
Option 1: Loved it. (5/5) votes: 98
Option 2: Good, it was enjoyable. (4/5) votes: 142
Option 3: It was okay. (3/5) votes: 87
Option 4: Could have been better. (2/5) votes: 59
Option 5: Didn't like it. (1/5) votes: 31
Option 6: Hated it! (0/5) votes: 29
Title: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darkness on May 09, 2017, 05:39:30 PM
This is the official fan reviews thread for Alien Covenant. It officially comes out tomorrow in some countries including France so here's the place to say what you thought about it after you've seen it. Think about what you liked, what you didn't like, how it compares to Prometheus and the rest of the films in the series. I've also included a little poll for you to rate it.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: M_Tak on May 09, 2017, 08:03:53 PM
Said my thoughts on other threads, but 3.5 or 4/5 for me. I really liked it for the most part, it's just the final act that brings it down a bit otherwise it'd be a classic for me.

Needed improvements:

• A few extended character moments (i.e. Tennesse, Oram)
• **An extended third act**
• Take out the Xeno-vision shots
• Touch up on some CG, mainly wide shots of the Xenomorph need tweaking/improving in some scenes.
• Re-insert the Xeno-bouncing off the walls shot in the corridor.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 09, 2017, 10:04:17 PM
3.5/5

Very strange movie

Part 1 : too long
Part 2 : scary in several ways
Part 3 : too fast

Finally, everything that touches the monster is less interesting.
Everything about David is fantastic.

It's a nightmarish continuation of Prometheus, incredible, unhealthy, frustrating.
It's an alien film terribly banal, sometimes superb (backburster), sometimes debilitated (Rosenthal, Shower scene)

The film is dark, really, and the sets are fantastic.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Alien³ on May 09, 2017, 10:36:49 PM
Will be hosting a live review after I've seen the film.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_aytW3XUAEizOD.jpg)

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 10, 2017, 12:57:50 AM
I prefer Prometheus over Covenant.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Enoch on May 10, 2017, 01:06:21 AM
Quote from: John Doe on May 10, 2017, 12:57:50 AM
I prefer Prometheus over Covenant.

Could you please elaborate on that. Some comparisons and personal opinion... I m interested in comparative reviews and since you are the first to say that you like Prometheus more, it would be nice to see some arrguments behind that statement...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 10, 2017, 02:57:15 AM
It would be nice to see where it fits in everyone's rankings of all the alien movies, even avp and avp:r if so inclined. Such as my example, minus A C since I will not see it until the 18th....

Alien=Aliens>>Prometheus>Alien3>>>>Alien:Resurrection>>>>>>>>>>>>AvP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AvP:R


Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 10, 2017, 05:21:25 AM
My rank
Alien - Aliens - Prometheus - Alien3 - Resurrection - Covenant
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on May 10, 2017, 06:01:10 AM
01) Alien
02) Aliens

03) Alien: Covenant

04) Prometheus
05) Alien 3

06) AVP
07) Alien Resurrection

08) AVP: Requiem
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 10, 2017, 06:51:42 AM
Quote from: Stolen on May 10, 2017, 05:21:25 AM
My rank
Alien - Aliens - Prometheus - Alien3 - Resurrection - Covenant
weaker than resurrection?.. .really!?. .ouch!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 07:43:11 AM
Here's HuDaFuk's review -

QuoteOverall, I liked this more than Prometheus, but it had definite faults.

It was undeniably a more commercial, less ambitious movie than Prometheus, but I thought that ultimately worked in its favour. There were a few hints of some of the higher concepts of the kind explored in the previous film, chiefly in the scenes involving David, but on the whole it was a more straightforward film. More action-packed, more intense. I'm also happy to say it fixed one of my biggest criticisms from Prometheus - whereas the crew in that were terribly cardboard and uncharismatic, I'm pleased to say the characters in this immediately came across as more interesting and likeable to watch.

However - and this was my main problem - it was one of those movies that suffers quite badly from a case of deterioration; it seemed to get less impressive as it went along, culminating in a final act that I thought was, disappointingly, pretty weak. The Neomorph birth sequence, seen in the previews, was excellent and probably the best part of the movie. But towards the end, more and more things started happening that really disappointed me.

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For instance, they once again messed with the details and timescale of the Alien reproductive cycle. Crudup's character is infected and gives birth in about ten minutes, whereas later in the film someone is impregnated after a Facehugger is in contact with them for no longer than a few seconds. Seriously, they're never even knocked unconscious before the thing is cut off them, and yet they're still infected. Also, for some reason the Chestburster is now a fully-formed, miniature version of the Alien, with arms, legs and head, rather than the slug-like design from the previous films.
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Another issue I had was the big final twist. To say it was obvious is a huge understatement; I saw it coming about 20 minutes before the end of the film, and being so obvious, it was hard to get even slightly thrilled by it. It was just so blatantly telegraphed from the moment it was set up.

It's a shame most of the things I disliked were towards the back end of the movie, because it was a let down after the great opening acts and kinda soured the whole experience with a disappointing conclusion. As I said, the final act aboard the Covenant in particular was quite weak - it felt way too short and didn't portray the Alien in particularly good light. Still, overall it was an entertaining movie, and a definite step up from Prometheus. I've actually seen it twice now, and I enjoyed it more the second time around.

Oh, and as I was asked - I'd probably rank it fourth, after the first three but ahead of Resurrection and Prometheus 🙂 Might be a better-made film than Alien 3, but I have a soft spot for that.

And here's mine - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-covenant/review/

In terms of ranking, for me it goes

Joint 1st Place - Alien/s/3
4th Place - Alien: Covenant
5th Place - Prometheus
Joint 6th Place - AvP & Alien: Resurrection
8th Place - AvP: Requiem

I went for 6.5 out of 10 for my review. I was struggling to settle between 6 or 7. I wanna watch it a few more times to really make my mind up.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 10, 2017, 07:53:48 AM
. .ok . .that sounds a bit more encouraging, thankyou Hicks!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: gantarat on May 10, 2017, 10:15:07 AM
overall dissapoint.

many thing on this movie didn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SPECIAL FORCES on May 10, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
For those who watched the movie,are the alien cgi better than those from the trailers?

Like the cgi on the tracking clip.The alien feels weightless while moving.
Did they correct it?
Same question about the shot with the neomorph opening its mouth.Were they unfinished shots used in the trailers?

Do they explain whats with the alien's vision? (tracking clip). Just curious if there is any resemblance with the avp games.
Is there an intense ''long'' scene with facehuggers? like the 2 Burke released on aliens.Except the egg scene from the trailer i mean.

***please no spoilers!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on May 10, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
Like the cgi on the tracking clip.The alien feels weightless while moving.
Did they correct it?
Same question about the shot with the neomorph opening its mouth.Were they unfinished shots used in the trailers?

I'll leave these for someone with better eyes.

QuoteDo they explain whats with the alien's vision? (tracking clip). Just curious if there is any resemblance with the avp games.
Is there an intense ''long'' scene with facehuggers? like the 2 Burke released on aliens.Except the egg scene from the trailer i mean.

No to both of those.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SPECIAL FORCES on May 10, 2017, 10:51:16 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on May 10, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
Like the cgi on the tracking clip.The alien feels weightless while moving.
Did they correct it?
Same question about the shot with the neomorph opening its mouth.Were they unfinished shots used in the trailers?

I'll leave these for someone with better eyes.

QuoteDo they explain whats with the alien's vision? (tracking clip). Just curious if there is any resemblance with the avp games.
Is there an intense ''long'' scene with facehuggers? like the 2 Burke released on aliens.Except the egg scene from the trailer i mean.


No to both of those.

Well,at least you were satisfied with the creature effects right? No wtf moment.
Thanks boss,trying to get an answer since yesterday.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 10:54:56 AM
Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on May 10, 2017, 10:51:16 AM
Well,at least you were satisfied with the creature effects right? No wtf moment.

I don't remember hating any of them but unless it's noticeably bad, I don't really get bothered.

Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on May 10, 2017, 10:51:16 AM
Thanks boss,trying to get an answer since yesterday.

It's busy, stuff get's lost in the tide unfortunately.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SyntaX on May 10, 2017, 11:07:42 AM
Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on May 10, 2017, 10:51:16 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on May 10, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
Like the cgi on the tracking clip.The alien feels weightless while moving.
Did they correct it?
Same question about the shot with the neomorph opening its mouth.Were they unfinished shots used in the trailers?

I'll leave these for someone with better eyes.

QuoteDo they explain whats with the alien's vision? (tracking clip). Just curious if there is any resemblance with the avp games.
Is there an intense ''long'' scene with facehuggers? like the 2 Burke released on aliens.Except the egg scene from the trailer i mean.


No to both of those.

Well,at least you were satisfied with the creature effects right? No wtf moment.
Thanks boss,trying to get an answer since yesterday.

The CGI is good and not distracting.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 10, 2017, 11:39:11 AM
I read the audience reviews from imdb and at least  the majority of those seem very positive. .it's sometimes more interesting to read reviews from more casual fans. .people who don't have so much invested in the franchise as we do. .
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SPECIAL FORCES on May 10, 2017, 12:01:33 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 10, 2017, 11:07:42 AM
Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on May 10, 2017, 10:51:16 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on May 10, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
Like the cgi on the tracking clip.The alien feels weightless while moving.
Did they correct it?
Same question about the shot with the neomorph opening its mouth.Were they unfinished shots used in the trailers?

I'll leave these for someone with better eyes.

QuoteDo they explain whats with the alien's vision? (tracking clip). Just curious if there is any resemblance with the avp games.
Is there an intense ''long'' scene with facehuggers? like the 2 Burke released on aliens.Except the egg scene from the trailer i mean.


No to both of those.

Well,at least you were satisfied with the creature effects right? No wtf moment.
Thanks boss,trying to get an answer since yesterday.

The CGI is good and not distracting.

Thank you SyntaX...still i think it was wrong to show unfinished cgi on trailers.
Im not a cgi freak,my favourite movie is Carpender's The Thing...but i was a little worried.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 10, 2017, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: Enoch on May 10, 2017, 01:06:21 AM
Quote from: John Doe on May 10, 2017, 12:57:50 AM
I prefer Prometheus over Covenant.

Could you please elaborate on that. Some comparisons and personal opinion... I m interested in comparative reviews and since you are the first to say that you like Prometheus more, it would be nice to see some arrguments behind that statement...

Ok, i will try it, im spanish and it´s difficult for me to write in english what i feel. I made a video on my YT chanell explaning everything but in spanish:



Buy, yeah, i will try it:

I prefer Prometheus because i hate what Ridley did mixing Prometheus with Alien. It doesn´t works well and we don´t have Engineers. He erased them from this sequel of Prometheus.

The 3 act it´s rushed, he takes so much from Alien (closing doors), but rushed, and i hate the CGI Xeno (looks fake, looks more like an Alien 3 than the Giger design, it moves fast, so fast, like the third act of the movie. I hate the fast growth of the Xeno and the fast gestation of the Alien Burster or how fast a facehugger could infect you.

I prefer what they did with the Engineer on Prometheus, real man with make up.

Noomi Rapace it´s so much better than Katherine Watterston, she doesn´t have the charisma of Shaw/Rapace. I don´t like how Ridley erased Noomi from the movie. We only
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see her on the prologue
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. That´s bad !!!!  :-[

I don´t like the Oram dialogues, some of the them are overplanation of his character (like Christopher Nolan did with Interestellar).

I don´t like the James Franco scene, the
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flames looks fake
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and i can´t believe how fast Daniels change on what she feels. It looks like a copy of Prometheus (ring/necklace).

I like David, but when he appears the rest of the cast suffers so much and i lost interest in them. There are some stupid things like Prometheus, but in Prometheus they created new concepts, they surprised us and in this movie Ridley it´s trying to give to Alien fans what they want in the third act.

Alien : Covenant it´s more a Prometheus 2 sequel than an Alien movie, and i like it. But for me it could be better to take out
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David creating the Alien. I prefer if the Engineers created the monster
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. I think it could be a better movie if Ridley only showed us Neomorphs and Engineers. And then, later, show how the Engineers created the Alien (maybe in the next movie).

Visuallly it´s amazing, i like what Wolski did with the cinematography and Jed Kurzel OST it´s good, but the used so much CGI for the monster. It´s strange, because in this video they shows a real puppet, but they finally didn´t use it (second 29):



Sad.

By the way, i saw the Arnold Blöklin reference on the David temple.


My rating:
Alien: 10
Aliens: 10
Prometheus: 7
Alien 3: 6´7
Alien : Covenant: 6´5
Alien Resurrection: 4
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Enoch on May 10, 2017, 01:07:35 PM
Great. Thanks.

What Bocklin reference?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 10, 2017, 01:17:43 PM
The bocklin inspiration is great. The sets are really fantastic.
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(https://www.google.fr/search?q=bocklin&client=ms-android-orange-fr&prmd=isvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpwovCtOXTAhUDNhoKHSa5DccQ_AUICSgB#imgrc=NpvPfugwBFgUjM:)
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 10, 2017, 01:30:38 PM
Quote from: Enoch on May 10, 2017, 01:07:35 PM
Great. Thanks.

What Bocklin reference?

(https://virginiaburges.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/halloween-isle-of-the-dead-by-arnold-brocklin.jpg)

You really can show something similar on the prologue, on the mountains. It´s a gate of David´s temple.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 10, 2017, 01:57:44 PM
I have noticed a number of people showing their displeasure with the final act in regards to
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how they portray the Xeno.
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So is it a matter of them showing
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too much of the Xeno; is it just not that much of a threat and easily outsmarted/defeated; and/or does it just go against your idea of how the Xeno should look/behave?
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 10, 2017, 02:01:16 PM
I think alien Isolation did it good and adult Xeno from Covenant it´s more like the CGI Aliens from AVP.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 10, 2017, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: John Doe on May 10, 2017, 02:01:16 PM
I think alien Isolation did it good and adult Xeno from Covenant it´s more like the CGI Aliens from AVP.

Well then, you have certainly grounded my expectations for this film with that AvP comparison.  :'(
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 02:14:51 PM
I completely disagree with that. It was noticeably CG to my eye but it wasn't to the level of AvP's. Definitely looked better.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 426Buddy on May 10, 2017, 02:30:33 PM
Always the same with CGI, there is no such thing as perfect CGI but that doesn't stop everyone from expecting it.

The cgi in this film will be as good as it can be with today's tech and while I wish more practical was used here, I am happy to at least move away from man-in-suit stuff.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 10, 2017, 02:32:53 PM
Well, I think the CGI in Prometheus looks better than what I've seen of Covenant so far...

But it still looks really good, so it doesn't bother me that much.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 10, 2017, 02:35:32 PM
What does cgi stand for again. .Computer Generated. . ?. .dunno what the I stands for. .instance?. .perhaps?. .we used to just call everything FX back in the day. .even tho i am a keen 3D modeler snd have worked on some game models i myself sometimes find it difficult to distinguish the difference between practical and cg. .but i must admit that i am and always have been absolutely facinated and mesmerized by cg. .it seeming a little unreal almost makes it even better sometimes. .on the other hand practical is so f**king clever it also never fails to astonish me. .the hair growing fx in american werewolf in london was done by holes in a puppet with hair protruding. .they pulled the hair sricking out back into the puppet and filmed it and played it in reverse. .so it looked like the hair was growing rapidly fast. .how f**king clever. .it won awards for best makeup. .that werewolf transformation scene is still one of the most chilling scenes i have ever seen in any film till this day! 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 02:36:11 PM
I'm still hoping for photorealistic CG Aliens that compare to the Prawns or Chappie.

Quote from: juxtapose on May 10, 2017, 02:35:32 PM
What does cgi stand for again. .Computer Generated. . ?. .dunno what the I stands for. .instance?. .perhaps?.

Computer Generated Imagery.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 10, 2017, 02:46:15 PM
. .thanks hicks!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 10, 2017, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 02:14:51 PM
I completely disagree with that. It was noticeably CG to my eye but it wasn't to the level of AvP's. Definitely looked better.

Yep, maybe i taked my problems with the CGI to the extreme.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenoscream on May 10, 2017, 04:49:08 PM
OK guys just got back from seeing it... I'll put spoiler tags in as needed.

My overall feeling is that it was a decent film, but had some flaws, and as an Alien fan a few things really pissed me off.

I felt that the start of the film, up to the landing on the planet was all solid stuff, the characters were all decent, and even though I didn't know some of the names no one came across as extra or unlikeable ala Prometheus.

The first obvious flaw for me was the going to the planet and not even a mention of a breathable atmosphere etc, or any acknowledgement of the forests everywhere etc - this may have been trimmed out I guess, I just had to kind of accept this was missing and say "hey it's sci fi" and let it go.

The neomorphs were pretty cool in their own way, again I thought the acting around them was very well done - some great reactions from the crew etc. One lady specifically does a great job of being scared out of her mind. The first one or two scenes the CGI was pretty bad though, after that it recovers somewhat.

In some ways my biggest problem was with David, he's got a God complex that's for sure... but I felt the "why" was missing a bit from it all.

There were some interesting scenes with him and Walter, but they didn't quite pay off for me, it was close, with the creation stuff, but didn't quite hit the mark. This movie does make you hate David though, he is a huge douche.

Oh and for the record (MAJOR spoiler)
Spoiler
f**k David inventing the Xeno, I mean really Ridley, f**k you for ruining the mythos
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The final act of the movie is pretty predictable, it's still enjoyable though, it was pretty tense and I was overall happy about it.

On the Engineers (minor spoilers):

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Basically written out... WTF why is no one from the crew saying "f**k me an alien civilisation, how amazing!" I thought it was a travesty that Scott has f**ked the Space Jockey with the big bald human engineers in a suit and then not follow through with them, I could forgive it if he has gone more into their mythos, but it's completely clear to me that engineers are now an abandoned concept
[close]

Alien life cycle is AvP fast.

Also
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Alien vision ala A3, which imo was completely unneeded
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On Shaw (big spoilers):

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Again a complete waste, she's just been written out. The cool biomech prop on the front page is not in the film, there is a dead Shaw prop but she looks a lot more normal, apart from her chest is open (it's the big open chest we saw in old set pics)
[close]

Overall as I said to my GF going in I expected this to be a kind of reboot, but what Ridley has done is write off all threads of Prometheus, further screwed with the Alien mythos, and elevated David. It's kind of like he knew Prometheus was a bit crap, and decided to axe all the bits that didn't go down well, and make the story all about the popular supporting character.

What we have in the end is a good film on many levels, but on the Alien mythos level (which we all care about) it's all over the bloody place. Now don't get me wrong I still enjoyed it, but as an Alien fan more and more I'm seeing this as a spin off series which can be enjoyed for what it is and not a core part of the franchise.

The movie is left completely open for a sequel,
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I actually loved the last scene with Daniels
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but my advice to Ridley would be this - don't tie it in with Alien, LEAVE ALIEN ALONE. This Prometheus spawned series should be allowed to be it's own thing, and I think we as fans would be able to enjoy it a lot more like that.

To summarise - a mostly well made movie, good acting throughout, decent characters which are all believable, nothing too complex or jarring like Prometheus, shits on the Alien mythos, completely wastes story threads from Prometheus, focuses too much on David. Oh and the music was great - lovely remixes of the original Alien score in places which I loved.

I'd give it a 7/10 for enjoyability, could easily have been an 8 or a 9 with some minor changes and a couple of additional scene to smooth it out. I will be really interested for the deleted scenes on this one.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 10, 2017, 05:38:51 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 10, 2017, 04:49:08 PM
OK guys just got back from seeing it... I'll put spoiler tags in as needed.

My overall feeling is that it was a decent film, but had some flaws, and as an Alien fan a few things really pissed me off.

I felt that the start of the film, up to the landing on the planet was all solid stuff, the characters were all decent, and even though I didn't know some of the names no one came across as extra or unlikeable ala Prometheus.

The first obvious flaw for me was the going to the planet and not even a mention of a breathable atmosphere etc, or any acknowledgement of the forests everywhere etc - this may have been trimmed out I guess, I just had to kind of accept this was missing and say "hey it's sci fi" and let it go.

The neomorphs were pretty cool in their own way, again I thought the acting around them was very well done - some great reactions from the crew etc. One lady specifically does a great job of being scared out of her mind. The first one or two scenes the CGI was pretty bad though, after that it recovers somewhat.

In some ways my biggest problem was with David, he's got a God complex that's for sure... but I felt the "why" was missing a bit from it all.

There were some interesting scenes with him and Walter, but they didn't quite pay off for me, it was close, with the creation stuff, but didn't quite hit the mark. This movie does make you hate David though, he is a huge douche.

Oh and for the record (MAJOR spoiler)
Spoiler
f**k David inventing the Xeno, I mean really Ridley, f**k you for ruining the mythos
[close]

The final act of the movie is pretty predictable, it's still enjoyable though, it was pretty tense and I was overall happy about it.

On the Engineers (minor spoilers):

Spoiler
Basically written out... WTF why is no one from the crew saying "f**k me an alien civilisation, how amazing!" I thought it was a travesty that Scott has f**ked the Space Jockey with the big bald human engineers in a suit and then not follow through with them, I could forgive it if he has gone more into their mythos, but it's completely clear to me that engineers are now an abandoned concept
[close]

Alien life cycle is AvP fast.

Also
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Alien vision ala A3, which imo was completely unneeded
[close]

On Shaw (big spoilers):

Spoiler
Again a complete waste, she's just been written out. The cool biomech prop on the front page is not in the film, there is a dead Shaw prop but she looks a lot more normal, apart from her chest is open (it's the big open chest we saw in old set pics)
[close]

Overall as I said to my GF going in I expected this to be a kind of reboot, but what Ridley has done is write off all threads of Prometheus, further screwed with the Alien mythos, and elevated David. It's kind of like he knew Prometheus was a bit crap, and decided to axe all the bits that didn't go down well, and make the story all about the popular supporting character.

What we have in the end is a good film on many levels, but on the Alien mythos level (which we all care about) it's all over the bloody place. Now don't get me wrong I still enjoyed it, but as an Alien fan more and more I'm seeing this as a spin off series which can be enjoyed for what it is and not a core part of the franchise.

The movie is left completely open for a sequel,
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I actually loved the last scene with Daniels
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but my advice to Ridley would be this - don't tie it in with Alien, LEAVE ALIEN ALONE. This Prometheus spawned series should be allowed to be it's own thing, and I think we as fans would be able to enjoy it a lot more like that.

To summarise - a mostly well made movie, good acting throughout, decent characters which are all believable, nothing too complex or jarring like Prometheus, shits on the Alien mythos, completely wastes story threads from Prometheus, focuses too much on David. Oh and the music was great - lovely remixes of the original Alien score in places which I loved.

I'd give it a 7/10 for enjoyability, could easily have been an 8 or a 9 with some minor changes and a couple of additional scene to smooth it out. I will be really interested for the deleted scenes on this one.

Good read and thanks for your review.

You mention that you are giving your opinions as an alien fan. If you were to go into this just expecting a good SciFi horror/thriller movie and are not too up-to-date or aware of every detail of the Alien mythos, how would you say the film performs in that regard?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 10, 2017, 07:21:36 PM
 . .well i was a bad boy. .i think. . .
I know sci fied is trowned upon, but i also know i am not the only one who went and read their review from the chris guy that runs the show. .odly his take of the movie was very similar to hics and he bought up more or less the same qualms with it.. . .he did mention that the shower scene showed of the xeno and was perhaps one of it's most iconic moments in covenant . Also complained a bit about pacing towards the end. .but yeah it was worth a read. .still prefer and value the corporals iponion. .but just saying. .
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Imbrie on May 10, 2017, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: juxtapose on May 10, 2017, 07:21:36 PM
. .well i was a bad boy. .i think. . .
I know sci fied is trowned upon, but i also know i am not the only one who went and read their review from the chris guy that runs the show. .odly his take of the movie was very similar to hics and he bought up more or less the same qualms with it.. . .he did mention that the shower scene showed of the xeno and was perhaps one of it's most iconic moments in covenant . Also complained a bit about pacing towards the end. .but yeah it was worth a read. .still prefer and value the corporals iponion. .but just saying. .

You're allowed to read whatever you wish to. I think the Scified guy gave a pretty balanced review.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Cosmik on May 10, 2017, 08:36:19 PM
Just saw it. Since it's late, I'm going to be quick :

- The film, overall, is good in m opinion.
- The CGI are sometimes amazing ( spaceships, planet... ), but sometimes a little bit... well, "meh" ( especially on the aliens ).
- The score and the visuals are outstanding.
- The first hour was perfect, but when David appears, the movie starts to go fast. VERY FAST. The movie doesn't breathe at all and is edited like a transformers movie ( a flaw Prometheus had ). Some characters dies so quickly in some shot that you can"t even see who dies.
- The neomorph are awesome. The design of the xeno were... strange. And they were reaaaalllly dumb, what made the Alien scary is that it was intelligent. Here, it's the same as in AvP : they jump everywhere, kill, and are more "primal". I know it can be an artistic choice, but it could have been a pleasant contrast from the neomorph's savagery.


And then, the Alien life cycle. I'm sure Ridley showed the crew a drawing of the alien life cycle, said " Here's how we're gonna do it", and pooped on it. Seriously, there's only TWO 30 seconds scene between the moment Oram get facehugged and the moment the alien burst from him. And then, two scenes later ( which is in the movie 15 minutes later, if we goes by what's Daniels saying ), we have a full grown xeno. Come on. Same with the second facehugger scene, this one was a premature one  ;D

David is the redeeming factor. Don't get me wrong, the movie is flawed but it's enjoyable ( better than Resurrection and the two AvP, even Prometheus ), but it's mainly because of David ( and Walter ). He's scary. And the ending, when he listen to Wagner... That was scary if you think about it ( imagine being Daniels in this scene ).

Overall, it's a solid 3,5/5. Maybe Awakening will be "the one" we're waiting since forever.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on May 10, 2017, 09:31:49 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 10, 2017, 05:21:25 AM
My rank
Alien - Aliens - Prometheus - Alien3 - Resurrection - Covenant

Damn. Sorry to see that Stolen. I know you were quite excited about the film. You've been posting on this board since long before they even shot the first frame of film.

The film doesn't seem to have gone down that well in France overall, has it?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: echobbase79 on May 10, 2017, 09:39:46 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 10, 2017, 09:31:49 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 10, 2017, 05:21:25 AM
My rank
Alien - Aliens - Prometheus - Alien3 - Resurrection - Covenant

Damn. Sorry to see that Stolen. I know you were quite excited about the film. You've been posting on this board since long before they even shot the first frame of film.

The film doesn't seem to have gone down that well in France overall, has it?

His review seemed very positive though?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ingwar on May 10, 2017, 09:40:29 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 10, 2017, 09:31:49 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 10, 2017, 05:21:25 AM
My rank
Alien - Aliens - Prometheus - Alien3 - Resurrection - Covenant

Damn. Sorry to see that Stolen. I know you were quite excited about the film. You've been posting on this board since long before they even shot the first frame of film.

Worse than A:R? Cannot be. Stolen, you should be whisky like I did :)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on May 10, 2017, 09:45:49 PM
Stay clear of the Scotch Ingwar, you've done enough damage on here already!   :P
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 10, 2017, 10:56:28 PM
 ;D
I love every Alien movie. (Even Resurrection, the atmosphere is great. but yes somehow it's the weakest film of the franchise).

Covenant is definitely a better movie, lots of good ideas, but there are also lots of bad decisions. In fact I don't know if I adore it or I hate it. Very weird movie, in good way.
I think the film is not going to please the public, it's really too bizarre, uncomfortable. And even you, you will be disappointed by many things i think.

It's definitely a sequel to Prometheus, but absolutely not the one we expected. It's pure horror. The planet is a real hell, as I had never seen it before. it's in dark all the time, it's raining, it's bleeding, the atmosphere is macabre, David is scary as the devil.

And my expectation was really naive, Ridley Scott unleashed the underworld!

And I still think it's very average as an Alien movie. A first part too long and not interesting. And the last one is way too fast. Creatures are useless.
But many will hate the second part, while I loved it. The most shocking and strange.

I would add that Fassbender is phenomenal. It's not every day that we have a great antagonist in the cinema. The other characters are less memorable ...

And even if the film doesn't bring many answers to Prometheus, there are many things in sub-texts, and the visuals give a lot of indications about engineers and other mysteries.

In terms of filmmaking, it's different from Prometheus, no contemplation here, it's brutal, furious, and sumptuous. The cinematrography is surprising, only dark tones (except the intro). The sets are absolutely great. The rhythm is too flat.

Between 7 and 8 for me, is a good note.
But I tell you, many of you will hate it.


No matter whether you like it or not, don't forget it's only a movie.
We had a great time on AVP Galaxy in recent months, and I hope it will be the same for the next movies!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 12:41:20 AM
the 2nd act is the best part of Covenant, when David is introduced and they are going through the Engineers stuff
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenoscream on May 11, 2017, 01:43:24 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 10, 2017, 05:38:51 PM
You mention that you are giving your opinions as an alien fan. If you were to go into this just expecting a good SciFi horror/thriller movie and are not too up-to-date or aware of every detail of the Alien mythos, how would you say the film performs in that regard?

Hard to say... I could see many aspects being confusing. If someone had seen Prometheus but wasn't really a big fan of Alien I think thier score could vary anywhere between a 6 to an 8.

My GF is in that department, she hated Prometheus, she gave this a 7, but also commented that the more she thought about it the more didn't make sense. It's a mixed bag really, some great bits, I think my favourite was the last conversation with Daniels - just a great moment, but then some things just don't add up.

Go in with low expectations and you'll most likely really enjoy it.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: echobbase79 on May 11, 2017, 01:51:33 AM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 11, 2017, 01:43:24 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 10, 2017, 05:38:51 PM
You mention that you are giving your opinions as an alien fan. If you were to go into this just expecting a good SciFi horror/thriller movie and are not too up-to-date or aware of every detail of the Alien mythos, how would you say the film performs in that regard?

Hard to say... I could see many aspects being confusing. If someone had seen Prometheus but wasn't really a big fan of Alien I think thier score could vary anywhere between a 6 to an 8.

My GF is in that department, she hated Prometheus, she gave this a 7, but also commented that the more she thought about it the more didn't make sense. It's a mixed bag really, some great bits, I think my favourite was the last conversation with Daniels - just a great moment, but then some things just don't add up.

Go in with low expectations and you'll most likely really enjoy it.

Man, that's not very reassuring.

Just like with Prometheus, the critics are loving it, but fans seem to be mixed so far.  :-\
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 02:33:47 AM
Go in with your expectations so low, they're right next to dinosaur bones
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: newbeing on May 11, 2017, 03:05:16 AM
Saw this movie tonight via an advance screening.

My spoiler free review.

Just watch the trailer. You've now seen pretty much everything Alien: Covenant has to offer.

In short, I thought it was bad.

Honestly this film barely passes as an Alien film. Take the Alien (as in the Xenomorph we know and love) out of the movie and barely anything would really change about the story. Both the title and creature are tacked on to get your butts in the seat and to have something nice to show in the trailer. I'd say 90% of the alien scenes in the movie are what you see in the trailer.

It's Prometheus 2, and should have steered clear of anything close to ALIEN, because the things they did add just shrink the universe further instead of expanding it. Adds confusion to where there was once mystery and turns the ALIEN into a easily defeated threat. This is not Alien. This is, once again, a vehicle for Ridley Scott to ask big questions with nothing of substance to back it up.

I'm not even really angry or disappointed about it as my expectations were so low going in, but it's totally killed any fleeting excitement I had left for future movies. Fox and Ridley really have no clue as to why people love the ALIEN movies, and no clue as to where to steer it. It's a shame.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 03:38:16 AM
You said it brother  :(
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Predaker on May 11, 2017, 03:48:39 AM
Nice review, newbeing. How would you rate it? 2/5, 6/10, big fat zero, or what?  :)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: newbeing on May 11, 2017, 03:57:30 AM
Quote from: Predaker on May 11, 2017, 03:48:39 AM
Nice review, newbeing. How would you rate it? 2/5, 6/10, big fat zero, or what?  :)

I'd say a 5/10. I have to say I did like the beginning, which felt very ALIEN with the musical score, character banter, but once they land on the planet all of the things that I really disliked about Prometheus started to creep into this movie.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on May 11, 2017, 04:51:33 AM
Spoiler
Aliens are derived from combining space wasps with black goo mutations/10
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Good first half. Bad second half. Aliens felt like they were fan service and really shouldn't been kept out. Dumber characters than Prometheus, or at least, one person dumber than them combined.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 06:02:48 AM
Saw it this morning.  Loved it. 

Here's my full review. (http://www.hideousplastic.com/?page_id=3002)  Minor spoilers present, nothing anyone here wouldn't be aware of, I think.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hideousplastic.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F05%2Fridley-and-alien.jpg&hash=11c64566d371723f1485e09d24480f7401f01042)

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oduodu on May 11, 2017, 06:07:15 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2017, 04:51:33 AM

Dumber characters than Prometheus, or at least, one person dumber than them combined.

Wow. Are you serious.? Can't believe it after everything that happened with Prom.

#shakes head in desbelief#
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on May 11, 2017, 06:27:46 AM
Quote from: oduodu on May 11, 2017, 06:07:15 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2017, 04:51:33 AM

Dumber characters than Prometheus, or at least, one person dumber than them combined.

Wow. Are you serious.? Can't believe it after everything that happened with Prom.

#shakes head in desbelief#
Some will say it's hyperbole, but when you weigh the situations, pretty much.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ingwar on May 11, 2017, 07:03:22 AM
Quote from: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 06:02:48 AM
Saw it this morning.  Loved it. 

Here's my full review. (http://www.hideousplastic.com/?page_id=3002)  Minor spoilers present, nothing anyone here wouldn't be aware of, I think.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hideousplastic.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F05%2Fridley-and-alien.jpg&hash=11c64566d371723f1485e09d24480f7401f01042)

-Windebieste.

Nicely written. I'm gonna see it tonight. You reassured me a bit.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: gantarat on May 11, 2017, 07:31:29 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2017, 06:27:46 AM
Quote from: oduodu on May 11, 2017, 06:07:15 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2017, 04:51:33 AM

Dumber characters than Prometheus, or at least, one person dumber than them combined.

Wow. Are you serious.? Can't believe it after everything that happened with Prom.

#shakes head in desbelief#
Some will say it's hyperbole, but when you weigh the situations, pretty much.

Spoiler
Oram,right ?
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 07:40:17 AM
He was the only character I had any issue with. Farris might have been pushing it.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 07:49:20 AM
He was the only character I felt any doubt about - lacking in strength for the role that was thrust upon him.  Remember, though. It was circumstance that pushed responsibility on him.  I don't really think he wanted it.  Probably a character who ascended to level of his incompetence by default rather than plan.

There are still worse characters in 'PROMETHEUS'.

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 07:50:18 AM
In general I really liked him. I liked all of them, actually. It's just when
Spoiler
Oram let David lead him downstairs
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that I was disappointed.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: markweatherill on May 11, 2017, 07:52:49 AM
Quote from: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 06:02:48 AM
Saw it this morning.  Loved it. 

Here's my full review. (http://www.hideousplastic.com/?page_id=3002)  Minor spoilers present, nothing anyone here wouldn't be aware of, I think.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hideousplastic.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F05%2Fridley-and-alien.jpg&hash=11c64566d371723f1485e09d24480f7401f01042)

-Windebieste.

Reassured me a bit, thanks! I'm seeing it tonight.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: gantarat on May 11, 2017, 07:55:55 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 07:50:18 AM
In general I really liked him. I liked all of them, actually. It's just when
Spoiler
Oram let David lead him downstairs
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that I was disappointed.

Spoiler
and then david trow rock/stone to wake him up.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: newagescamartist on May 11, 2017, 08:09:30 AM
Quote from: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 06:02:48 AM
Saw it this morning.  Loved it. 

Here's my full review. (http://www.hideousplastic.com/?page_id=3002)  Minor spoilers present, nothing anyone here wouldn't be aware of, I think.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hideousplastic.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F05%2Fridley-and-alien.jpg&hash=11c64566d371723f1485e09d24480f7401f01042)

-Windebieste.

Great write up. The good reviews still have me excited. I can't believe I have to wait another few weeks to see this.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on May 11, 2017, 08:15:56 AM
Quote from: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 07:49:20 AM
There are still worse characters in 'PROMETHEUS'.
Spoiler
I don't think anything compares to Oram's stupidity in trusting David.

David "I've spent the last time tinkering with this extremely volatile thing to make new and terrifying creatures! I'm giving you no reassurance whatsoever that I'm trying to pacify them, just that I'm 'improving' them by genetically splicing them with a parasitic wasp! Here are some samples, please stick your face in it!"

Oram: "Okay!"
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 08:30:41 AM
There's no reason for Oram to doubt David or be suspicious of his duplicitous nature. 

Up until that point, David has only demonstrated a preparedness to help.  Oram isn't aware of what David's motivations are at this stage.  He's trusting of the android for good reason - the android that accompanied him on the Covenant is a similar model (updated to varying degrees) wouldn't be capable of causing harm.  He'd trust Walter with just about anything, as far as Oram is concerned, David isn't harmful either - until it's too late. 

-Windebieste.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on May 11, 2017, 08:57:09 AM
Quote from: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 08:30:41 AM
Oram isn't aware of what David's motivations are at this stage.
Spoiler
David was trying to hold a conversation with one of the things that killed Oram's crew members.
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Mostly spoiler free review:

Spoiler
I think the best one-word review of Covenant would be "breathless". It moves at a fairly ruthless pace, pulling the audience from one tragedy to the next in fast succession. For the first half of the film, this is fine — it allows us to experience the kind of disorientation that our characters and, and hurls us into the action just as much as them. For the second half, however, it seems to transition from brisk pacing to simply rushing.

There's a lot of nice things to say about Covenant. The atmosphere in the first act places us pretty firmly in the world of Alien. Space is equal parts romantic and ominous; pretty to look at while hiding deadly traps. Our crew are regular people who feel real. Nobody seems ham-fisted into acting one way or another for the sake of plot or convenience; everyone's coming from somewhere and everyone reacts like actual people would.

Tension amongst the crew of the eponymous Covenant start fast. Tragedy strikes the ship, killing several members in their cryo-tubes. One happens to be the captain, placing the second in command, Oram (Billy Crudup), in full command before he's completely ready. He wants to run the situation as by the book as possible; pack away the dead, run diagnostics, fix the ship, return to sleep. Everyone else wants to hold a funeral. They're both realistic responses.

After detecting a mysterious transmission, the crew decides to investigate the source — a seemingly inhabitable planet. Daniels (Waterstone) thinks this is risky, but everyone else agrees that not dying in their sleep sounds like a wonderful idea. A landing party sets down on the planet, and tragedy invariably follows.

The initial tragedies — the infection of some of the crew by alien spores, the birth of horrifying "neomorph" creatures, the destruction of their landing vessel — are tense, nail-biting stuff. There's a genuine sense of distress from all involved. The crew is made of couples; everyone that dies is someone's husband or wife. The characters respond to these losses with due emotional weight.

It feeds into a sense of dread that is only partially allayed when David (Fassbender) saves the crew — partially, because he then immediately walks them to a city of corpses. Engineer corpses. It's an interesting turn; outside, where it was idyllic paradise, was unsafe and deadly. Inside, surrounded by corpses, it's ostensibly safe. You could cut the unease with a knife.

And then, to put it frankly, the film shits itself.

Where whisking the audience through the first half put us equal with the characters, the speed with which the second half unfolds leaves us unable to process much information.

Scott said he wanted to scare us, but there's no time for fear here. One character almost immediately walks off on their own without an escort and meets a predictable fate. Wherein the first half each death felt like a tragedy, the second half has characters all but literally tripping over corpses without much concern.

Fassbender's David in Prometheus is creepy. He's Not Quite Right. He composes himself as an aloof butler who hates his lot in life and is absolutely plotting to murder you. There's clearly something sinister and amoral simmering beneath, but it's always there; beneath. Here, however, he's just a bad guy. Ranting, pontificating, and about as subtle as a wood nail to the throat. He's a Bond villain describing his grand scheme for humanity. Beyond the blue jumpsuit he feels utterly different to the David we knew.

And then, at last, there's the Alien.

Whether certain revelations will satisfy or enrage the audience is something everyone will need to work out for themselves, but there's perhaps something we can all agree on: you can almost feel the contempt with which Scott included them back into the story.

There's no reason for the Alien to be here other than the film's title. They achieve nothing. They are utterly unremarkable. They act and move almost identically to the Neomorphs, and indeed beyond looking different and having acid blood there's no appreciable difference. They could have kept the Neomorphs throughout the entire film and not a damned thing would change.

Which is, more than anything, perhaps the most disappointing thing about the film. The last act is the Cliffs Notes of the original Alien, sans any sense of fear, dread, foreboding, or even mild interest. We've seen this before, and the very climax we have seen three times before.

Where the first half of the film was new and interesting, the second half feels like Ridley Scott responding to criticism over the lack of Aliens in a mocking tone. It happens because he thinks that's what people wanted, not because it feels right or even resolves the story in a particularly satisfying way.

Is the film terrible? No. This franchise has certainly generated worse. But like its predecessor it's an undeniably flawed film; how much these flaws bother you will be up to you to decide, and may largely be proportional to how much of a fan you are of these movies.

6/10
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 09:05:30 AM
Oram is a dumbass, yes.  He's like that one, idiot manager everyone has at work who you wonder how he got that job in the first place. 

It's just sad that such people do actually exist in positions of responsibility.

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on May 11, 2017, 09:07:18 AM
Quote from: windebieste on May 11, 2017, 09:05:30 AM
Oram is a dumbass, yes.  He's like that one, idiot manager everyone has at work who you wonder how he got that job in the first place. 

It's just sad that such people do actually exist in positions of responsibility.

-Windebieste.
Exactly!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 11, 2017, 09:18:13 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 11, 2017, 07:55:55 AM
Spoiler
and then david trow rock/stone to wake him up.
[close]

I actually really liked that. It was a neat character moment.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 09:20:06 AM
Me too, actually. It was just one of those funny humanized David things.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 11, 2017, 09:20:46 AM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 10, 2017, 04:49:08 PMMy overall feeling is that it was a decent film, but had some flaws, and as an Alien fan a few things really pissed me off.

This is pretty much spot-on.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenoscream on May 11, 2017, 09:24:32 AM
I think you are giving Oram a bad rap, I thought he was a good character, not particularly likeable or capable, but he knows that and struggles with it. He admits when he's wrong and actually tries to do the right thing, yeah he had a bit of a dumb end but nothing, nowhere near as bad a Milburn in prometheus.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 11, 2017, 09:25:44 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 07:40:17 AMHe was the only character I had any issue with. Farris might have been pushing it.

Faris' actions seemed justified to me in that she was freaking the f*ck out. People are stupid when they panic.


Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2017, 08:57:09 AMMostly spoiler free review:

That was great. Really summed up my thoughts far better than I could.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 09:31:29 AM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 11, 2017, 09:24:32 AM
I think you are giving Oram a bad rap, I thought he was a good character, not particularly likeable or capable, but he knows that and struggles with it. He admits when he's wrong and actually tries to do the right thing, yeah he had a bit of a dumb end but nothing, nowhere near as bad a Milburn in prometheus.

As a character I liked him. I really liked Crudup's take on him. Just that particular decision didn't sit well with me.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 11, 2017, 10:12:02 AM
Loved your review windebieste. .so glad it was positive. .i always enjoy your coments cause they reflect pretty much how i feel. . So i can breath more easily now and am even more hyped than ever. .it.s like i am counting the hours till the 19th. .very well written and articulate review!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oduodu on May 11, 2017, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 11, 2017, 09:25:44 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 07:40:17 AMHe was the only character I had any issue with. Farris might have been pushing it.

Faris' actions seemed justified to me in that she was freaking the f*ck out. People are stupid when they panic.


Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2017, 08:57:09 AMMostly spoiler free review:

That was great. Really summed up my thoughts far better than I could.

Same here .
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 11, 2017, 10:32:36 AM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 11, 2017, 09:24:32 AM
I think you are giving Oram a bad rap, I thought he was a good character, not particularly likeable or capable, but he knows that and struggles with it. He admits when he's wrong and actually tries to do the right thing, yeah he had a bit of a dumb end but nothing, nowhere near as bad a Milburn in prometheus.

Yes very interesting character, very human.

Spoiler
The only thing I find really disappointing about the characters is how they decide to go on the planet, too easy.
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It lacks moment of glory for certain characters, Lope for example. But the characters are endearing, Daniels, Tennesse, Karine, Faris, Oram ... Walter and David are the most interesting obviously.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Elmazalman on May 11, 2017, 12:10:18 PM
Very good movie, not what I expected at all. It was great to see a walking Alien again- however briefly, in the cargo hold.

Spoiler
Seeing E. Shaw's gutted corpse was a shock. I wonder what her final moments were?
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Spoiler
The communication between David and the creature had some interesting dialogue about it being important to gain the creature's respect.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: chris_bert on May 11, 2017, 12:40:05 PM
Mostly spoiler free review:

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I think the best one-word review of Covenant would be "breathless". It moves at a fairly ruthless pace, pulling the audience from one tragedy to the next in fast succession. For the first half of the film, this is fine — it allows us to experience the kind of disorientation that our characters and, and hurls us into the action just as much as them. For the second half, however, it seems to transition from brisk pacing to simply rushing.

There's a lot of nice things to say about Covenant. The atmosphere in the first act places us pretty firmly in the world of Alien. Space is equal parts romantic and ominous; pretty to look at while hiding deadly traps. Our crew are regular people who feel real. Nobody seems ham-fisted into acting one way or another for the sake of plot or convenience; everyone's coming from somewhere and everyone reacts like actual people would.

Tension amongst the crew of the eponymous Covenant start fast. Tragedy strikes the ship, killing several members in their cryo-tubes. One happens to be the captain, placing the second in command, Oram (Billy Crudup), in full command before he's completely ready. He wants to run the situation as by the book as possible; pack away the dead, run diagnostics, fix the ship, return to sleep. Everyone else wants to hold a funeral. They're both realistic responses.

After detecting a mysterious transmission, the crew decides to investigate the source — a seemingly inhabitable planet. Daniels (Waterstone) thinks this is risky, but everyone else agrees that not dying in their sleep sounds like a wonderful idea. A landing party sets down on the planet, and tragedy invariably follows.

The initial tragedies — the infection of some of the crew by alien spores, the birth of horrifying "neomorph" creatures, the destruction of their landing vessel — are tense, nail-biting stuff. There's a genuine sense of distress from all involved. The crew is made of couples; everyone that dies is someone's husband or wife. The characters respond to these losses with due emotional weight.

It feeds into a sense of dread that is only partially allayed when David (Fassbender) saves the crew — partially, because he then immediately walks them to a city of corpses. Engineer corpses. It's an interesting turn; outside, where it was idyllic paradise, was unsafe and deadly. Inside, surrounded by corpses, it's ostensibly safe. You could cut the unease with a knife.

And then, to put it frankly, the film shits itself.

Where whisking the audience through the first half put us equal with the characters, the speed with which the second half unfolds leaves us unable to process much information.

Scott said he wanted to scare us, but there's no time for fear here. One character almost immediately walks off on their own without an escort and meets a predictable fate. Wherein the first half each death felt like a tragedy, the second half has characters all but literally tripping over corpses without much concern.

Fassbender's David in Prometheus is creepy. He's Not Quite Right. He composes himself as an aloof butler who hates his lot in life and is absolutely plotting to murder you. There's clearly something sinister and amoral simmering beneath, but it's always there; beneath. Here, however, he's just a bad guy. Ranting, pontificating, and about as subtle as a wood nail to the throat. He's a Bond villain describing his grand scheme for humanity. Beyond the blue jumpsuit he feels utterly different to the David we knew.

And then, at last, there's the Alien.

Whether certain revelations will satisfy or enrage the audience is something everyone will need to work out for themselves, but there's perhaps something we can all agree on: you can almost feel the contempt with which Scott included them back into the story.

There's no reason for the Alien to be here other than the film's title. They achieve nothing. They are utterly unremarkable. They act and move almost identically to the Neomorphs, and indeed beyond looking different and having acid blood there's no appreciable difference. They could have kept the Neomorphs throughout the entire film and not a damned thing would change.

Which is, more than anything, perhaps the most disappointing thing about the film. The last act is the Cliffs Notes of the original Alien, sans any sense of fear, dread, foreboding, or even mild interest. We've seen this before, and the very climax we have seen three times before.

Where the first half of the film was new and interesting, the second half feels like Ridley Scott responding to criticism over the lack of Aliens in a mocking tone. It happens because he thinks that's what people wanted, not because it feels right or even resolves the story in a particularly satisfying way.

Is the film terrible? No. This franchise has certainly generated worse. But like its predecessor it's an undeniably flawed film; how much these flaws bother you will be up to you to decide, and may largely be proportional to how much of a fan you are of these movies.

6/10
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^Thank you for the review and including this information. It's what I was suspecting after reading some of the other reviews, so I'm so glad I got to read your review. I think you were very fair and genuine. I'll definitely not go see it in the theater but I'll purchase it on a used blu ray when it's released. Time for me to find another franchise to get interested in. As a long-time Alien fan, I'm grateful for Scott and further development of the franchise and films but I'm also a little disappointed that this is the direction he's choosing. Yes, I absolutely understand it's not about me or how I think things should be or that Scott should change everything so that I like what he's doing, etc., etc., etc. It's Scott's creation and it's the direction that he's chosen because he thinks it's more interesting, but I can't help but feel that with the direction Scott is heading with the franchise, it's kind of lost something, so I'm not interested in it anymore. Time for me to catch up on Syfy's Faceoff and Magicians anyway. SiL, thanks again for the excellent review. Now time for me to focus on other sci-fi franchises. Fare the well o mysterious SpaceJockey creature. We hardly got to know thee.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Uncanny Antman on May 11, 2017, 12:42:42 PM
My one word review of Covenant would be the same as Prometheus...frustrating.

Longer, there's a lot to like and I had very few problems with the movie until the last quarter.  (Maybe fifth?)  The ending is such a let down, and it also brings with it new disappointments for earlier in the film when you realize that no, you will not be getting better answers/excuses for stuff that happened before.  The ending is pure shlock, and devalues everything that came before it.  That's not to say there weren't poor bits earlier, there certainly are, but they all seem to come to a head in the last sequences.

I'm amazed to say this, but I think I preferred Prometheus.  That film, for all it's faults, at least felt like it had something to say.  This one felt sort of like deleted material left over from Prometheus, mixed with what they thought people wanted.  Ridley seems to have not learned anything from Prometheus, making many of the same old mistakes as that one, but adding a few new ones too.

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I was mentally praising the film regarding the David/Walter switcheroo, making sure we didn't see his lower chin until after the crisis was over, I really thought they did a great job with that...and then it turns out that no, it's a giant middle finger fake-out, his chin wound is just magically gone.  Feh.
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...And David's flashback looked kind of weird, with his really dark eyebrows.  ;)

6/10
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 12:47:02 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 11, 2017, 12:42:42 PM
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I was mentally praising the film regarding the David/Walter switcheroo, making sure we didn't see his lower chin until after the crisis was over, I really thought they did a great job with that...and then it turns out that no, it's a giant middle finger fake-out, his chin wound is just magically gone.  Feh.
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Aside from the obvious cutaway, it was that David wasn't healing that I thought the tell was. More about his facial scarring than his chin scarring.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: newbeing on May 11, 2017, 12:58:16 PM
Man that chestburster scene. Every time I think back to it I also think of this:
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstream1.gifsoup.com%2Fview7%2F2690771%2Fspace-balls-alien-dance-o.gif&hash=37f62e5772eafe6bf0e76063beb81198555d784d)
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As for the David/Walter switcharoo. I saw it coming from a million miles away. As soon as David cuts his hair you know they're setting it up. It made me feel like Walter was a pointless character, just made to facilitate a really obvious twist. Which is too bad since I thought the character play between Walter and David was kind of interesting (if not also sometimes awkward and silly).
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Uncanny Antman on May 11, 2017, 01:15:04 PM
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Aside from the obvious cutaway, it was that David wasn't healing that I thought the tell was. More about his facial scarring than his chin scarring.
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I don't mean to say that I was fooled of course, it was crystal clear from the haircut onwards that we'd get a switch at some point, or at least the tease of a switch.  What I mean is that his other wounds are treated, visibly still there...but the chin wound is magically completely gone.  Why not keep the wound and shoot around it until after the reveal?
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 01:23:42 PM
Continuity gaff, I'd assume.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: echobbase79 on May 11, 2017, 01:25:19 PM
Just like with Prometheus, do any of you think you'll enjoy it more with repeat viewings? I remember being frustrated too after watching that film, but overtime I've begun to enjoy it. I don't dismiss its flaws, but the movie seems more enjoyable. Maybe Covenant will be the same?

I see it next Thursday so I'm very anxious to see where the film works and doesn't.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 01:29:29 PM
HuDa enjoyed it more his second time around, I think. I'm definitely looking forward to giving it another go tomorrow.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on May 11, 2017, 01:31:03 PM
I liked Prometheus less the more I saw it. I actually liked that a lot more than this one the first time around.

Frankly I think the second half will only get worse with repeat viewings.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Uncanny Antman on May 11, 2017, 01:33:09 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 11, 2017, 01:25:19 PM
Just like with Prometheus, do any of you think you'll enjoy it more with repeat viewings? I remember being frustrated too after watching that film, but overtime I've begun to enjoy it. I don't dismiss its flaws, but the movie seems more enjoyable. Maybe Covenant will be the same?
Maybe?  Sometimes, the more you see a movie the easier it becomes to enjoy the ups and ignore the downs.  Although the film still has its best sequence before the finale, which is a big problem.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 11, 2017, 01:43:30 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 11, 2017, 01:25:19 PMJust like with Prometheus, do any of you think you'll enjoy it more with repeat viewings?

As Hicks says, I liked it more on my second watch. I still disliked what I disliked first time around, but on the whole I got more enjoyment out of it knowing what was coming.

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 11, 2017, 01:33:09 PMAlthough the film still has its best sequence before the finale, which is a big problem.

A long time before. I still think the Neomorph birth sequence was the film's high point.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: USS-Sulaco on May 11, 2017, 01:47:15 PM
First half of the movie was just fantastic. Utterly engaging - to me as enthralling as any of the movies in the series. I really went in with a lot of trepidation after reading some of the content on this forum.
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The only part that really got jarring for me was Oram's child. The gesticulation between David and the birthed I found tacky. The design pissed me off - not because it wasn't your typical snake-like burster, but because it showed no signs of juvenality (apart from the transparency touch). To me it looked like the proportions of an adult xeno just shrunk down. And this was just grating, made worse by that silly marionette dance. I guess the point I'm making is that for whatever reason this moment just jarred me out of the movie, yet there was so much to love about the movie- it was just hard to fully get back into it after that moment (also Oram not feeling any pointed discomfort before that first spray of blood from his chest?). The rest of playing with the speed of the life cycle I could take, just that one collection of choices for the burster got to me.

As for Oram I really liked his character. I didn't really see him as an idiot. He made choices which were applicable to the context. None of the crew wanted to go back into hyper sleep, which was fair enough because we see what the blast did while they were sleeping. They would again be vulnerable for a number of years. They found a planet within the Goldilocks zones that showed all the signs of habitability within weeks distance, through Shaws transmission that came with coordinates. And apparent transmission from a human. He wanted to go there and assess suitability. Would it be ideal to be a hard arse leader, force the crew back into hypersleep and go the safest route? Yes probably. Can you say that easily without hestitation? I don't think so.

I just didn't see Oram as an incompetent nobjockey, I thought he was doing his best under the circumstance. Where we have to suspend our disbelief is his following of David. This totally flies in the face of how Oram has conducted himself previously. What is the kicker for me is that he literally calls David out for what he is with a gun pointed at him 'I have seen the devil before'. I mean he literally calls David out right there showing he has recognised David is one manipulative, sadistic f***er. That is why it is a big ask to believe he would be led by the nose so mere moments after.

Ok so I've probably dwelled on a couple of qualms here, but overall I really enjoyed the movie, and am going to enjoy repeated viewings. There is so much to say about this movie, but I'll leave it be. (Other than to add score was great with really fitting bits of nostalgia, David vs Walter interactions and fight really enjoyable , ending tragic and leaves a little bit of a sour taste but  the good in the movie makes up for it)
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Uncanny Antman on May 11, 2017, 02:01:11 PM
Oh yeah, I just remembered that I was also seriously bummed by:

1.  Super short incubation time.
2.  Way too many shots of the Alien.  I hated the POV shots, and I hated the shots of it just strolling around.  Way to destroy the power of its image.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on May 11, 2017, 02:02:11 PM
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I thought the shot of it calmly walking into the terraforming bay was actually one of my favourites, and then promptly wondered why the hell it needed to be CGI.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: newbeing on May 11, 2017, 02:05:43 PM
Am I crazy or
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was the scene from the trailer with the Alien jumping from wall to wall was just not in the movie at all? That was like the coolest shot in the trailer!
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Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2017, 01:31:03 PM
I liked Prometheus less the more I saw it. I actually liked that a lot more than this one the first time around.

Frankly I think the second half will only get worse with repeat viewings.

Same and I really tried to like and defend Prometheus after first seeing it, but repeat viewings really didn't make me wince any less at the parts that just didn't work.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Uncanny Antman on May 11, 2017, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2017, 02:02:11 PM
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I thought the shot of it calmly walking into the terraforming bay was actually one of my favourites, and then promptly wondered why the hell it needed to be CGI.
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I can see that.  Maybe I would have liked it, but the cumulative effect of all the Alien shots wore me down.  Amazing...I got sick of seeing the Alien.   :o
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: USS-Sulaco on May 11, 2017, 02:14:57 PM
Quote from: newbeing on May 11, 2017, 02:05:43 PM
Am I crazy or
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was the scene from the trailer with the Alien jumping from wall to wall was just not in the movie at all? That was like the coolest shot in the trailer.
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You're not crazy. Wasn't in it  :)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 11, 2017, 02:15:16 PM
Quote from: newbeing on May 11, 2017, 02:05:43 PMAm I crazy or
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was the scene from the trailer with the Alien jumping from wall to wall was just not in the movie at all? That was like the coolest shot in the trailer!
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You're not crazy.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 02:18:21 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2017, 02:02:11 PM
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I thought the shot of it calmly walking into the terraforming bay was actually one of my favourites, and then promptly wondered why the hell it needed to be CGI.
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I really dug that shot too. I think I was a little  :o at that.

In regards to the effects, I'm really curious as to what the effect guys are going to say. We've seen so much evidence of practicality. Seen the Alien suit on sets. Why all the CG touch-ups. To me, anyway, it looked like everything (aside from the one shot of the Alien head) was pretty much CG.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on May 11, 2017, 02:24:31 PM
I think every shot of the Big Chap was CGI. The bursting wasn't, impressively, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the baby Alien was at least partially a rod puppet.

I wonder if Boss knew they'd be getting painted over or if they got ADI'd.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 11, 2017, 02:26:29 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2017, 02:24:31 PMThe bursting wasn't, impressively, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the baby Alien was at least partially a rod puppet.

It was. I saw it at the Alien Day event in London :)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 11, 2017, 02:30:32 PM
i have not seen it yet but in regards to the baby xeno. .i saw the props of it and thought it looked amazing. .the head also seemed way longer than that of the adult. .so is that it's apearance in the movie.. . ?. .the original snake like version of the cheatburster never did much for me to be honest. .one of my favorite parts in alien 3 ..i think in the assembly cut version , the one with the ox. .  the birth of the xeno. .i so much prefered that to the cinematic version. .. .i cant imagine ever getting tired of seeing the alien tho. .In aliens you got to see plenty of the xeno . .nobody complained about that?. .epsecially the queen
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 426Buddy on May 11, 2017, 02:33:46 PM
I think they had an idea that some stuff would be changed or that their effects would be enhanced. I doubt they knew it was all going to be covered up almost completely.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 11, 2017, 03:15:29 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2017, 02:24:31 PM
I think every shot of the Big Chap was CGI. The bursting wasn't, impressively, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the baby Alien was at least partially a rod puppet.

I wonder if Boss knew they'd be getting painted over or if they got ADI'd.

I just saw this on Tristan Jone's FB. He's discussing the film with someone who worked effects on it  -

QuoteThey covered so much of our work with terrible cg and digital blood. The script was preeeetty terrible. Acting was eh.

I really wanted to love it and was so excited to see our work on screen and I feel just a bit let down.

I abhor digital blood and they added it to every single death and it just kills me.

They Thinged it.  :'(
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 11, 2017, 03:17:14 PM
That's so, so sad. I hope they won't f*ck with the practical effects in the next film.  :'(
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 426Buddy on May 11, 2017, 03:20:23 PM
Yeah that's probably going to be something that bothers me greatly when I finally see the film. Such a slap in the face to odd studio, their practical effects looked so good in the bts stuff i've seen.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 11, 2017, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2017, 02:24:31 PM
I think every shot of the Big Chap was CGI. The bursting wasn't, impressively, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the baby Alien was at least partially a rod puppet.

I wonder if Boss knew they'd be getting painted over or if they got ADI'd.

Do you mean FULL CGI or a practical alien with digital overlay? Because some of the shots I have seen of it in promo's and such, it looks as though its practical but with a lot of CGI added on top of it. I.E. The shower scene and the shot with all the water coming down on it.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Necronomicon II on May 11, 2017, 03:34:39 PM
Overall I really enjoyed it. 8/10

Biggest positive for me was Walter and David, and David's personality now; he's quite something and he's completely sold the direction here on out for me. 
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Lovecraftian Old Gods et al would have been cool but incredibly safe for me (not to mention opening up further infinite regression), I actually find where this is going far more interesting thematically, but that's me. I am very intrigued for the next film, I can tell you that much.
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Shaw's fate? LOVED THAT!  ;D ;D

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I quite literally gasped at that, actually, I'm glad I read no leaks and didn't watch any tv spots (apart from the crew logs and first two prologues). He really harvested her good, damn.
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The neomorphs were quite beautiful, definitely a worthy addition to the canon.

The tone was consistent and I could feel my stomach turning through out. Gorgeously shot, the production values were top notch, as usual. Some truly striking images throughout.

As for some certain deviations in
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the xeno's lifecycle; this ain't the Giger form descended from the derelict on 426, repeat, I suspect that form will be the evolved, further perfected life form that David will not be able to control, ergo, the biomechanical big chap requires longer gestation periods, obviously since there's more going on as far as its biology is concerned. Even the eggs in this film are David's design, but it will get out of his control, no doubt. They're edging into the Giger stuff, after all.
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I think it did about as well as it could have to deal with everything left over from Prometheus and still satisfy as well. I'll definitely need to see it again though. But yeah, I enjoyed it quite a bit and my gripes are pretty minor all things considered, mainly CGI and pacing. But I've come to terms with accepting that the first two films - and what made them masterpieces -  will never happen again.

Ridley's a madman, and I love him all the more for it. Bring on the next one. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 844064612978 on May 11, 2017, 04:02:44 PM
Hi all,

Long time lurker, first time poster. Just came back from watching Covenant and feel compelled to write a quick review.

Quick preface:
In my book Alien is a masterpiece and Aliens is one of my top 5 most enjoyable movies. Alien 3 has some nostalgic resonance with me but it doesn't compete with the first two. I was more hyped for Prometheus than any other movie in my life so far. That first leaked camera recorded trailer had me in tears of joy. Obviously it ended up having huge issues with the pacing, editing, and acting (imo) but by far the biggest disappointment personally was the implication that the Space Jockey was human-like. I don't mind the Engineers in themselves but I still hold out hope that the Space Jockey race are God to the Engineers and other like them (such as in Covenant) and that a segment of Engineers (as seen in Prometheus) stole the fire of creation and made Humans. After seeing this movie I still believe this may happen.

So a few tidbits of thought that are stuck in my mind after seeing the film:
* The effects and shots are incredible for the most part. Don't really need to talk much about what worked as the vast majority of it was amazing.
* The parts that failed for me were a few shots of the creatures which were video game worthy not film. That said, most shots of the alien were better than expected and that I had seen before in promos. Also, I wish the alien vision later in the film was removed.
* Pacing was great and is including the final act. No problems for me and this was my main concern going in after reading the early reviews. Felt balanced.
* Lead-up to the planet was enjoyable and reminded me of Alien. Gave me a chance to get a feeling for the characters before the action. It felt real unlike Prometheus' corny and overly scripted interactions.
* Loved the look of the planet itself. Somehow pristine but 'off' at the same time.
* Acting was superb all the way around. I genuinely liked or appropriately disliked all the characters, especially Walter, David, Oram, and Tennessee. Daniels was also very good and not a Ripley clone. Everyone really pulled their weight which is so refreshing after Prometheus in which I strongly disliked every character including David (who is much much better here). Not saying any of it was Oscar nomination worthy (apart from maybe David) but it was very effective.
* Soundtrack was superb.

The following points contain storyline spoilers:
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* Backbursting scene was brilliant and I got a huge adrenaline spike from it. Just wow. Real weight to it.
* That level is almost immediately raised another notch with the Neomorph attach in the field, which was the best scene for me. It was just so vicious and conveyed the creature's power and unnatural aggression. I could feel the panic and confusion. Some guy gets his jaw whipped off like nothing.. People getting mauled and torn apart... Seeing Walter try to defend Daniels and having his arm chewed off... No time to think... This scene had me shivering in bliss. The alien gfx was particularly good here, probably because it was so rapidly cut.
* Short breather in the Temple to gather breath then Ridley starts slowly turning the screw again.
* Hate to be morbid but the gore... In addition to the obvious burster and mauling scenes... Female carcass in the water being eaten... Autopsied body... Walter-David-flute... Disturbing.
* Again, loved Fassbender's acting. Razer sharp and unhinged.
* Shower scene music was fine. Heard some people complain that it was corny. It would have been if it was soundtrack rather on their radio. It served it's purpose which was to drown out the distant alarms.

That's a far as I'll go with specifics. Seriously don't ruin it for yourself if you haven't seen it. I'm not saying there are any revelationary twists or anything, as by this point of watching you will probably already know what is going to happen, but I'm glad I only knew basic script outline up until the backburster scene.
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In summary, I just loved the whole feel to this movie. The decrepit dampness, the foreboding, the panic, the torment...

Score:
Divided my rating into two; technical and personal. Reason being that a movie can be appreciated but not 'liked' like.

Technical execution: 8.5/10
Personal resonance: 9.5/10
Overall: 9/10

So on the Alien spectrum:

Alien (10/10)>>Covenant=Aliens>>>>>>>>Alien3>>>>>>Prometheus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everything else Alien/AVP.

Yes, that's right. It is equal to Aliens in my mind. If the creature effects felt more 'practical' then it would surpass Aliens. Maybe I've just seen Aliens too many times haha. So I am very happy. I came in expecting something on Prometheus' level and got a whole lot more. It was just a great night at the cinema. Of course, I have some serious concerns about the direction Ridley is taking the mythology but I still see a way forward that respects the all sides. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 11, 2017, 04:05:49 PM
awesome review. .thank you necronomicon II!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 11, 2017, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 11, 2017, 03:34:39 PM
Overall I really enjoyed it. 8/10

Biggest positive for me was Walter and David, and David's personality now; he's quite something and he's completely sold the direction here on out for me. 
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Lovecraftian Old Gods et al would have been cool but incredibly safe for me (not to mention opening up further infinite regression), I actually find where this is going far more interesting thematically, but that's me. I am very intrigued for the next film, I can tell you that much.
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Shaw's fate? LOVED THAT!  ;D ;D

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I quite literally gasped at that, actually, I'm glad I read no leaks and didn't watch any tv spots (apart from the crew logs and first two prologues). He really harvested her good, damn.
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The neomorphs were quite beautiful, definitely a worthy addition to the canon.

The tone was consistent and I could feel my stomach turning through out. Gorgeously shot, the production values were top notch, as usual. Some truly striking images throughout.

As for some certain deviations in
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the xeno's lifecycle; this ain't the Giger form descended from the derelict on 426, repeat, I suspect that form will be the evolved, further perfected life form that David will not be able to control, ergo, the biomechanical big chap requires longer gestation periods, obviously since there's more going on as far as its biology is concerned. Even the eggs in this film are David's design, but it will get out of his control, no doubt. They're edging into the Giger stuff, after all.
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I think it did about as well as it could have to deal with everything left over from Prometheus and still satisfy as well. I'll definitely need to see it again though. But yeah, I enjoyed it quite a bit and my gripes are pretty minor all things considered, mainly CGI and pacing. But I've come to terms with accepting that the first two films - and what made them masterpieces -  will never happen again.

Ridley's a madman, and I love him all the more for it. Bring on the next one.

Great review, I hope I come out feeling the same as you! I agree with you on the
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aliens not being fully evolved to where they are on LV426. I personally believe the title being Awakening has something to do with something within the species being awakened. Perhaps the ancient xeno being awakened. I don't know, but certainly these are not the true Xeno's. I know others will dispute this but the way I interpreted his interview with IGN is exactly from what he said... that wants to see the creature evolve and not be controlled.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 11, 2017, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 11, 2017, 03:34:39 PM
Shaw's fate? LOVED THAT!  ;D ;D

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I quite literally gasped at that, actually, I'm glad I read no leaks and didn't watch any tv spots (apart from the crew logs and first two prologues). He really harvested her good, damn.
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Maybe the most shocking thing of the movie, really.
I am very sad but it was a very big moment..
I wanted to cry when I heard the flute play the theme of Prometheus. fascinating
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 11, 2017, 04:35:21 PM
Hmm, to me Shaw's fate seems terrible and cheap - But I haven't watched it, so yeah.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 11, 2017, 04:42:54 PM
For me it's the most unhealthy thing I've seen in the saga.

I think Covenant is a better Prometheus movie than an Alien movie.
It remains mysterious on many things but it is clearly a sequel, not the one we thought, much more terrifying!

Covenant is torn between art (david's story, visual, prometheus) and commercial (alien), it's crazy. Even more radical than Prometheus for me.

Even if you don't like, there is so much wealth, things to understand, thematic, it's a fascinating film.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 11, 2017, 04:44:33 PM
. .i loved prometheus for the most part. .it had some flaws i will admit. .but what i did like about it had little to do with noomi's performance or the character of shaw. .i neither liked or disliked her. .so her fate is a little sad. .but nothing that will keep me awake at night. .and it serves to elaborate on just how diabolicly evil and psychotic david seems to have become. .


. .oh and speaking of davids nesfarious deeds. .how did that bombing scene turn out?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 11, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
The bombing sequence is very very short. The scene lasts 40 seconds ...
Great but too short.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 11, 2017, 05:00:13 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 11, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
The bombing sequence is very very short. The scene lasts 40 seconds ...
Great but too short.
. .i figured it might be very short. .i am curious. .the ending of crossing over seems to be the beginning of that scene. .is it exactly like that end bit or. .is it seen from a different camera angle and did that famous  or rather infamous still from empire magazine make it into the movie. .the one showing the engineers close up. .
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 11, 2017, 05:07:23 PM
It's exactly the same as in the prologue, adds 30 seconds and it's over !
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 11, 2017, 05:09:42 PM
So is the close up shot of the engineers in it?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 11, 2017, 05:13:10 PM
And engineers are not beautiful unfortunately. I love them, but terrible make-up
But we don't have time to analyze shot, really too fast!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 11, 2017, 05:20:34 PM
. .thankyou for your answers stolen. .apreciate that you took the time. .
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 11, 2017, 05:25:20 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 11, 2017, 04:30:33 PMI wanted to cry when I heard the flute play the theme of Prometheus. fascinating

I thought that moment was cringeworthy.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 11, 2017, 05:29:24 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 11, 2017, 05:25:20 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 11, 2017, 04:30:33 PMI wanted to cry when I heard the flute play the theme of Prometheus. fascinating

I thought that moment was cringeworthy.
What made it so cringeworthy? Because it broke the fourth wall?  :D
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 11, 2017, 05:35:30 PM
Exactly. It was daft and makes no sense.

It's like that bit in the Bond film where the Indian snake charmer gets his attention by playing the James Bond theme on his pungi. It just comes across as really stupid.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 05:35:40 PM
You get to see close ups of Engineers, even the female ones.


Also it's such a shame that they painted over the practical stuff, I saw the film during the December test screening and I fondly remember there being practical Xeno and Neomorph suit stuff. A lot of it was digital and not fully rendered, but there was a good bit of practical stuff.  :'(
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 11, 2017, 06:13:08 PM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 05:35:40 PM
You get to see close ups of Engineers, even the female ones.


Also it's such a shame that they painted over the practical stuff, I saw the film during the December test screening and I fondly remember there being practical Xeno and Neomorph suit stuff. A lot of it was digital and not fully rendered, but there was a good bit of practical stuff.  :'(

When you say painted over, do you mean they completely edited out the practical alien and replaced it entirely with CGI, or do you mean they kept the practical alien but put digital overlay on top of it?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: GQSioux on May 11, 2017, 06:15:14 PM
Surprised no one has talked about the shower scene yet. Am I the only one that despised the music choice during that scene?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 06:15:26 PM
It looks like a similar process to the Deacon in Prometheus. That was a puppet and got painted over digitally in post.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 11, 2017, 06:17:27 PM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 05:35:40 PM
Also it's such a shame that they painted over the practical stuff, I saw the film during the December test screening and I fondly remember there being practical Xeno and Neomorph suit stuff. A lot of it was digital and not fully rendered, but there was a good bit of practical stuff.  :'(

I will be interested to know what has changed between the test screening and the film? Can you tell me the differences please?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 06:21:52 PM
Few changes I remember off the top of my head:

1) Opening is a little different, originally you didn't see Franco's corpse and them cleaning up the colonist pods.

2) Slightly longer scene where Daniels mourns Franco.

3) Shaw prologue is in the film, it begins when David talks to Walter with his flashback (before bombing)

4)
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I don't remember seeing Shaw's corpse in the original cut, but I could be wrong.
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5) David/Walter switch is much less telegraphed and more subtle

6) Ending is completely different, top to bottom.

That's what I remember being the most different, apart from that there might have been alternate angles etc.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 11, 2017, 06:26:17 PM
What is different in the ending?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 06:32:47 PM
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The ending as it stands has Daniels finding out about the David switch but being stuck in her cryo pod, David "Sleep tight," etc. He goes down and reveals himself as David to Muthur and plays Wagner while putting the facehugger embryos and then the whole "This is Walter signing off." That's the theatrical ending. The original ending Daniels didn't find out about the switch, she went to sleep. David does not reveal himself, pretends to be Walter and opens the colonist bay. He then lumps up three Xeno embryos (at least what I remember). There's no Wagner playing. He then closes the embryo tray and does a hop skip then we cut to black. No Walter signing off, just ends there.
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The December ending was superior imo and more ambiguous, but it might not have tested well, thus they spelled it all out.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 11, 2017, 06:35:39 PM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 06:15:26 PM
It looks like a similar process to the Deacon in Prometheus. That was a puppet and got painted over digitally in post.

Maybe I am in the minority then because I felt the deacon looked just fine in regards to fitting with the environment around it. The digital effects did not scream fake to me. So if that is the standard by which they used for Alien Covenant, I am perfectly fine with that.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 06:37:27 PM
Well personally I found the effects for the Xeno not as good as the Deacon in some spots lol
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 11, 2017, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 06:32:47 PM
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The ending as it stands has Daniels finding out about the David switch but being stuck in her cryo pod, David "Sleep tight," etc. He goes down and reveals himself as David to Muthur and plays Wagner while putting the facehugger embryos and then the whole "This is Walter signing off." That's the theatrical ending. The original ending Daniels didn't find out about the switch, she went to sleep. David does not reveal himself, pretends to be Walter and opens the colonist bay. He then lumps up three Xeno embryos (at least what I remember). There's no Wagner playing. He then closes the embryo tray and does a hop skip then we cut to black. No Walter signing off, just ends there.
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The December ending was superior imo and more ambiguous, but it might not have tested well, thus they spelled it all out.
Yeah, the original ending sounds much better.

I hope they release the alternate/deleted scenes.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 11, 2017, 06:38:35 PM
@whos_nick thank you, very interesting

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 11, 2017, 06:41:42 PM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 06:32:47 PM
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The ending as it stands has Daniels finding out about the David switch but being stuck in her cryo pod, David "Sleep tight," etc. He goes down and reveals himself as David to Muthur and plays Wagner while putting the facehugger embryos and then the whole "This is Walter signing off." That's the theatrical ending. The original ending Daniels didn't find out about the switch, she went to sleep. David does not reveal himself, pretends to be Walter and opens the colonist bay. He then lumps up three Xeno embryos (at least what I remember). There's no Wagner playing. He then closes the embryo tray and does a hop skip then we cut to black. No Walter signing off, just ends there.
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The December ending was superior imo and more ambiguous, but it might not have tested well, thus they spelled it all out.

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I kind of find Daniels going into Cryo while knowing she is doomed a bit more horrifying. Like if you were going under before a surgery and while your body goes numb, the surgeon tells you that he is going to kill you and use your body as some tool for his demented research. You know you are going to die but there is nothing you can do about it. But I have not seen the scene play out so it might not be that horrifying as it seems like it is in my mind.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 11, 2017, 07:02:23 PM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2017, 06:21:52 PM
Few changes I remember off the top of my head:

1) Opening is a little different, originally you didn't see Franco's corpse and them cleaning up the colonist pods.

2) Slightly longer scene where Daniels mourns Franco.

3) Shaw prologue is in the film, it begins when David talks to Walter with his flashback (before bombing)

4)
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I don't remember seeing Shaw's corpse in the original cut, but I could be wrong.
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5) David/Walter switch is much less telegraphed and more subtle

6) Ending is completely different, top to bottom.

Spoiler
The ending as it stands has Daniels finding out about the David switch but being stuck in her cryo pod, David "Sleep tight," etc. He goes down and reveals himself as David to Muthur and plays Wagner while putting the facehugger embryos and then the whole "This is Walter signing off." That's the theatrical ending. The original ending Daniels didn't find out about the switch, she went to sleep. David does not reveal himself, pretends to be Walter and opens the colonist bay. He then lumps up three Xeno embryos (at least what I remember). There's no Wagner playing. He then closes the embryo tray and does a hop skip then we cut to black. No Walter signing off, just ends there.
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The December ending was superior imo and more ambiguous, but it might not have tested well, thus they spelled it all out.

Interesting. While I prefer Daniels finding out, I do think the ending twist is much too obvious.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Elmazalman on May 11, 2017, 09:44:24 PM
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It was interesting to see Ridley Scott finally address his "can artificial people have sex" question - sort of.
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The fight between the two synthetics raises the question as to why Ash wasn't as fast or as skilled a fighter in his confrontation with Parker. If Ash had exhibited any of these deadly skills seen during the Walter/David fight, Parker,Ripley and Lambert wouldn't have stood a chance.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 11, 2017, 10:09:47 PM
Just got back from the IMAX cinema. I'm a bit tired now but i'll write down some of the thought this film inflicted on me, i'm sure there's a lot that i forgot to add. I know i've had a negative attitude towards the film since the first images and clips started to appear but i still didn't believe it would be that far removed from the real Alien films and even Prometheus. So in a way i'm not very upset because it quite easy for me to dismiss it as another non/canon separate fiction a la tha AVP movies. It felt more like a bizarre nightmare that Shaw would see the first night the juggernaut left the LV-223, this is the only possible way i could believe it would take place in the same universe. This is a fairy tale, a fantasy, a genre that i'm also very fond of, but the original movies at least tried to be as realistic as possible (as much as sci-fi space creature feature could be). As i've said before, Alien feels like a documentary next to this.

As a an Alien film i probably hate it, too soon to say. But imaging it being as a non Alien film it's still deeply flawed yet the Fassbenders perfomance makes it interesting in places that certainly is a welcome diversion from the usual Marvel, F&F and other blockbusters.

Here's my ratings for different categories (mostly viewed from a biased fans perspective):

1. Screenplay and story - 3/10

If you thought that the Prometheus characters behaviour was a bit suspect, then multiply it with 2 and you get this. And it's just not Oram, it would take too much time to list all of the problems.
I think the script is also responsible for serious pacing issues, lack of plausibility and other problems, like not being scary at all.
And last but not least there's the controversial revealing of Alien Origins and engineers fate  + Shaw and the changes to the aliens lifecycle. I was open to see if Ridley could sell me these ideas, but you already know the answer. On other hand, when David appeared, the b-movie esque atmosphere was oddly captivating, he did some strange unconvetional things, which i found amusing to witness. That said the creationism etc is right on the nose, all the sublety was flown out of the airlock. It fails both as an Prometheus sequel and Alien prequel.

2. Sound - 7/10 Functional, but nothing stood out as something that would emphasize atmosphere (think the sounds in Nostromo before the crew wakes up). The neomorph sound like clickers from The Last of US.

3. Visuals - 6/10 This is perhaps one of the most generic looking films Ridley has ever made, which was really suprising. Don't get me wrong, it looked good, but nothing stood out as being very memorable or awe inspiring. It doesn't have it's own identity. I liked the practical sets of the spaceship, but the lightning and the camerawork was a bit weak tbh. The creature cgi was inconsistent, sometimes great and sometimes not very good but always there. I just rewatched Chappie and the droid in that looked more believable than the creatures in A:C. So in that regard, i don't think the cgi here is the best the technology could currently offer, it also wasn't terrible. Holding back on the cgi and using practical fx as much as possible would have helped immensly. Neomorphs looked a bit more real then the protomorph. Overall Prometheus is visually much more memorable and expensive looking, although at least A:C didn't have Guy Pearce with that ridiculous makeup.

4. Actors - 7/10  I think the poor characters of the film were not the fault of the actors, they did what they could with the material. Many seem to agree that Fassy is excellent as David. Though i would have certainly changed a few of the actors, for example i didn't like the pair of Jussie Smollet and Callie Hernadez the same way i didn't like Holloway.

5. Music - 4/10 the only music i remember that was there besides the reworked classic Alien music + the main theme of Prometheus, was the sappy piano daytime tv show music during the sadder moments and
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wtf was with the music when the xenomorph bursted, was it supposed to be humorous?
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I would have loved something with the same atmosphere of Sicario and Under the Skin, this just doesn't cut it. Edit: the pulsing music (inspired from Alien again) when the shit really hit the fan was pretty good and fitting.


Overall - as Alien fan this gets a 4/10 from me, as it's own thing id rate it with 6.

You see, it requires certain amount of finesse to make a proper A L I E N film, in that regards the Alien:Covenant failed miserably.

That said, I think Ridley could still pull it off if he has a strong script, The Martian was good. But i also sense that he is not that interested with the creature anymore, or hasn't been for some time. The main themes of this film suggest that he would have rather liked to direct the Blade Runner sequel.

And Hollywood, please stop with the prequel bs! It just doesn't work.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 11, 2017, 10:32:16 PM
It did not feel like a meaningful sequel to Prometheus and seemed to disregard most of what was interesting about that film.

The only good thing about it was the level of gore, and the practical effects used at times. The CG is below-par on many occasions though, and became distracting at times especially when they used it to create backgrounds or the aliens themselves. The bare bones of a reasonable film are there, but it needs another 30-45 minutes or so added in there to add more depth and originality. 2 hours flew by with mindless set pieces.

Very disappointing. Prometheus a better film overall.

3/10
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 11, 2017, 10:40:52 PM
Quote from: bacchus on May 11, 2017, 10:32:16 PM


The only performance that really stood out was Carmen Ejogo, but she didn't get much time - she would have been a far better protagonist than what we got.


She definitely was one of the more real characters, i also thought the actress of Faris did a fine job, even if her character was behaving oddly, but that's understandable under tension of this magnitude. I think all the plausibility of the story died with these two.
Mcbride was a bit beige like the rest of the cast, sans Fass.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Imbrie on May 11, 2017, 10:41:35 PM
Just back from a UK screening and, against expectations, I really bloody enjoyed it. Sure, it's definitely a popcorn flick but it's a blast. It's still a shame that we didn't get the intended follow up to Prometheus but I'd definitely give this a second viewing. 6.5/10 for me.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: RayneStorm82 on May 11, 2017, 10:42:31 PM
Just got back and really enjoyed it! Whilst the fan in me didn't enjoy some parts it really is a great movie. Going again tomorrow and Saturday with different friends. So much to talk about and digest and definitely deserves multiple viewings.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 11, 2017, 10:45:49 PM
The only things this film got right (IMO): the beautiful scenery/sets, the level of gore, the backburster scene, Fassbender's performances, some of the minor characters like Carmen Ejogo's.

The things this film got wrong (IMO): Most of the CG, the lack of tension, the lack of any real story, the recycling of scenes/tropes from previous Alien films.
:-\
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Citadel on May 11, 2017, 10:52:05 PM
Just back from the early UK preview.

Liked it. Didn't love it. That seems to be the general consensus.

A lot of problems I'm not thrilled about. Some fantastic positives. Definitely needs a second viewing.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 11, 2017, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 11, 2017, 10:52:05 PM
Just back from the early UK preview.

Liked it. Didn't love it. That seems to be the general consensus.

A lot of problems I'm not thrilled about. Some fantastic positives. Definitely needs a second viewing.

I'm less enthusiastic about it than you, but there were breif moments that were decent enough (backburster scene, and the Weyland/David scene at the start).

I agree it needs a second viewing.


What I'm slightly amused at...
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The scene at the start involving Weyland and David with the piano - I remember watching it at the time and thinking "when I post my thoughts on this film I will mention how out of place and odd that scene was".
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But having watched the whole thing, it was one of the few good scenes in the film!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Citadel on May 11, 2017, 11:18:13 PM
Quote from: bacchus on May 11, 2017, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 11, 2017, 10:52:05 PM
Just back from the early UK preview.

Liked it. Didn't love it. That seems to be the general consensus.

A lot of problems I'm not thrilled about. Some fantastic positives. Definitely needs a second viewing.

I'm less enthusiastic about it than you, but there were breif moments that were decent enough (backburster scene, and the Weyland/David scene at the start).

I agree it needs a second viewing.


What I'm slightly amused at...
Spoiler
The scene at the start involving Weyland and David with the piano - I remember watching it at the time and thinking "when I post my thoughts on this film I will mention how out of place and odd that scene was".
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But having watched the whole thing, it was one of the few good scenes in the film!
I've started a thread regarding key things I'd change, I thought the prologue was fine however not as intriguing as Prometheus. It made sense, absolutely. It foreshadowed. But it didn't seem right. Like a Prometheus add-on.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Marcus9000 on May 11, 2017, 11:50:00 PM
The film was okay but I think it did seem a little rushed even though it was 2 hours long.

Not enough time spent getting to know the characters, yet the Last Supper was good and would have helped a bit I think, they could have cut the bits repairing the sail if they wanted a shorter running time. Also it's not mentioned that they were all couples, yet we see that in The Last Supper. We know some are married, but it's not clear enough, which would have boosted the emotion.

Danny McBride was pretty good as Tennessee, Katherine Waterston was okay as Daniels (she's no Ripley) but Michael Fassbender is again brilliant as David. Funny, creepy, and sinister.

One criticism I have seen recurring is that the characters in the film make daft choices. I thought this wild be harsh but when you see it you do think a few of them were pretty stupid.

I felt a bit sorry for Oram, as the Covenant crew were not very respectful to him.

The FX of the protomorphs looked like cheapo CGI to me. Very disappointed in that.

I actually think Prometheus was a better film than Covenant, which is a shame as I had high hopes for this movie, but it again illustrates that Ridley Scott is a great visualist but in many of his films the script and plot need a bit of work and indeed emotion.

Imagine a James Cameron or Steven Speilberg version of this story? It would have been gripping. I just felt at the climax Daniels was never really in too much danger.

Hopefully it will grow on me after repeated viewings.

Rating: 3/5


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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: ebbhead40 on May 11, 2017, 11:51:48 PM
No spoilers.. Just got back from watching (uk).  Have to be honest here and say I feel a lot worse about this, than after I'd first come out from watching Prometheus. Started out very promising at the beginning and I thought it really felt like the Alien universe again... Then from the point they land, it slowly just unravels into an unholy mess of ideas. The David god complex aspect is layed on so thickly that it completely changes the tone of the film to almost mythical "The Mummy"-esque proportions before crunching gears back to realism again. The xeno aspects felt rushed and almost tacked on as an afterthought with AVP levels of gestation and growth... and that chestburster?! The "twist" was telegraphed a mile off and rendered the final act pointless and nonsensical. I had really tempered my expectations for this one and although I'm a huge fan of the first 3 films and with the best will in the world, I am bitterly disappointed with this. Even more so than I was with Prometheus.  Maybe a second viewing after a while might help, but my first reaction has it almost way down there with resurrection for me.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: RoaryUK on May 12, 2017, 12:11:29 AM
Just got back from the advanced screening of Alien: Covenant. While not without it's flaws, which every film has anyway, I really enjoyed this movie for the most part and will definitely see it again. Scott's directing is expertly done as you would expect, and he certainly gets the best out of the actors when it matters. Very few sequences from the trailers exists as they were in the film, some don't even exist at all, but I'm happy to say the trailers certainly didn't spoil the movie this time round as they did Prometheus.

I thought the acting was fine even though I wasn't familiar with many of these actors. Apart from Michael Fassbender, who really owned the show as both Walter and David, Danny McBride was the stand out performer here. I really liked his character and found him to be the most believable throughout. Kathrine Waterstone was ok I thought, especially in the early part of the movie when we're getting to know everyone and dealing with a crisis at the start. But when the action hots up, well, all I can really say was all I saw was Ripley if I'm honest. Maybe that was the intention and fair enough if so, but I just felt Prometheus' leading lady (Noomi Rapace) was a far more developed and individual character, whereas as Waterstone just feels a little too familiar. As for the rest, like I said, I wasn't familiar with the actors and need to see them again but, to name a few, Billy Crudup, Jossie Smollett and Callie Hernendez stood out as very believable.

As for the effects, the CGI was great for the most part but sometimes very noticeable, something which I didn't see in Prometheus which was far more convincing, it didn't ruin the movie for me, but clearly some things towards the end of the movie looked a little rushed, even the man in the suit was noticeable at times. The sets were spectacular and definitely on a par with anything in the Alien series so far, as was the beautiful design work that went into this movie. The only gripe I would mention is that all too often the sets looked too bright, like even in the cinema details were easy to pick out, and for a movie like this were what lurked in the shadows was all important, the only thing that maybe prevented you from seeing it was the fast and often shaky camera work, but when you did see it, you really did see it full on, which wasn't quite right for me.

Finally, I loved the story and the script for the most part. There were a couple of cringe worthy moments, and perhaps one too many dialogue references from the first 3 Alien films, but overall the dialogue was mostly kept in tone of what was going on. The fear factor in particular was very unnerving at times, there is a lot of gore and plenty of action in this movie as you might expect, but this is certainly the most intense imagery I've seen from any Alien film to date, including the original. As a few have already mentioned, there is a clear change of tone in the final act and it does feel a little rushed. It didn't spoil my enjoyment of the movie, however, some sequences did feel like they were pulled right out of some of the previous movies, and very obvious they are too. One last thing which isn't a spoiler, but thought I would mention even though I may be wrong. I'm almost sure I noticed something a little 'different' about the beast towards the end. Is this important, I'm not sure, maybe others noticed it as well, but I'll just have to see the movie again for a closer look.

As for my Alien series rankings:

ALIEN 10/10
ALIEN3 (assembly cut) 9/10
ALIENS 8/10
ALIEN: Covenant 7/10
PROMETHEUS 6/10
ALIEN: Resurrection 5/10

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Citadel on May 12, 2017, 12:19:12 AM
If I had to rank it now before my second viewing in IMAX, it'd be

Alien (10/10)
Aliens (8/10)
Alien: Covenant (710)
Prometheus (7/10)
Alien 3 (6 or 7/10) depending on cut/mood
everything else

I feel like Covenant is in such an awkward situation. It's better than Prometheus, but at the same time Prometheus succeeded where Covenant didn't. It's a conundrum atm.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 12:29:54 AM
I saw again today on IMAX and it´s getting worst after the second viewing. OMG, i can´t believe what Scott did to the franchise with Covenant.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 12:31:37 AM
Personally I'd rate them...

1. Aliens (10/10)
2. Alien 3 (8/10)
3. Prometheus (7.5/10)
4. Alien Covenant (3/10)
5. Alien (3/10)
6. Alien Resurrection (3/10)
7. AvP (1/10)
8. AvP:R (0/10)

Yes, I know I'm weird for hating the original. But I saw Aliens and Alien 3 before I saw Alien and found it dull and dated after seeing the other two. Would definitely have appreciated it more if I had seen it at release I'm sure.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 844064612978 on May 12, 2017, 12:51:37 AM
Quote from: justind on May 11, 2017, 04:02:44 PM
Hi all,

Long time lurker, first time poster. Just came back from watching Covenant and feel compelled to write a quick review.

Quick preface:
In my book Alien is a masterpiece and Aliens is one of my top 5 most enjoyable movies. Alien 3 has some nostalgic resonance with me but it doesn't compete with the first two. I was more hyped for Prometheus than any other movie in my life so far. That first leaked camera recorded trailer had me in tears of joy. Obviously it ended up having huge issues with the pacing, editing, and acting (imo) but by far the biggest disappointment personally was the implication that the Space Jockey was human-like. I don't mind the Engineers in themselves but I still hold out hope that the Space Jockey race are God to the Engineers and other like them (such as in Covenant) and that a segment of Engineers (as seen in Prometheus) stole the fire of creation and made Humans. After seeing this movie I still believe this may happen.

So a few tidbits of thought that are stuck in my mind after seeing the film:
* The effects and shots are incredible for the most part. Don't really need to talk much about what worked as the vast majority of it was amazing.
* The parts that failed for me were a few shots of the creatures which were video game worthy not film. That said, most shots of the alien were better than expected and that I had seen before in promos. Also, I wish the alien vision later in the film was removed.
* Pacing was great and is including the final act. No problems for me and this was my main concern going in after reading the early reviews. Felt balanced.
* Lead-up to the planet was enjoyable and reminded me of Alien. Gave me a chance to get a feeling for the characters before the action. It felt real unlike Prometheus' corny and overly scripted interactions.
* Loved the look of the planet itself. Somehow pristine but 'off' at the same time.
* Acting was superb all the way around. I genuinely liked or appropriately disliked all the characters, especially Walter, David, Oram, and Tennessee. Daniels was also very good and not a Ripley clone. Everyone really pulled their weight which is so refreshing after Prometheus in which I strongly disliked every character including David (who is much much better here). Not saying any of it was Oscar nomination worthy (apart from maybe David) but it was very effective.
* Soundtrack was superb.

The following points contain storyline spoilers:
Spoiler
* Backbursting scene was brilliant and I got a huge adrenaline spike from it. Just wow. Real weight to it.
* That level is almost immediately raised another notch with the Neomorph attach in the field, which was the best scene for me. It was just so vicious and conveyed the creature's power and unnatural aggression. I could feel the panic and confusion. Some guy gets his jaw whipped off like nothing.. People getting mauled and torn apart... Seeing Walter try to defend Daniels and having his arm chewed off... No time to think... This scene had me shivering in bliss. The alien gfx was particularly good here, probably because it was so rapidly cut.
* Short breather in the Temple to gather breath then Ridley starts slowly turning the screw again.
* Hate to be morbid but the gore... In addition to the obvious burster and mauling scenes... Female carcass in the water being eaten... Autopsied body... Walter-David-flute... Disturbing.
* Again, loved Fassbender's acting. Razer sharp and unhinged.
* Shower scene music was fine. Heard some people complain that it was corny. It would have been if it was soundtrack rather on their radio. It served it's purpose which was to drown out the distant alarms.

That's a far as I'll go with specifics. Seriously don't ruin it for yourself if you haven't seen it. I'm not saying there are any revelationary twists or anything, as by this point of watching you will probably already know what is going to happen, but I'm glad I only knew basic script outline up until the backburster scene.
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In summary, I just loved the whole feel to this movie. The decrepit dampness, the foreboding, the panic, the torment...

Score:
Divided my rating into two; technical and personal. Reason being that a movie can be appreciated but not 'liked' like.

Technical execution: 8.5/10
Personal resonance: 9.5/10
Overall: 9/10

So on the Alien spectrum:

Alien (10/10)>>Covenant=Aliens>>>>>>>>Alien3>>>>>>Prometheus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everything else Alien/AVP.

Yes, that's right. It is equal to Aliens in my mind. If the creature effects felt more 'practical' then it would surpass Aliens. Maybe I've just seen Aliens too many times haha. So I am very happy. I came in expecting something on Prometheus' level and got a whole lot more. It was just a great night at the cinema. Of course, I have some serious concerns about the direction Ridley is taking the mythology but I still see a way forward that respects the all sides. Time will tell.

So after sleeping on it I'm not as sure if it matches Aliens. Will need to see it again. I do know that Covenant has captured my interest more so than any other movie I have seen at the cinema in recent years (other than perhaps Interstellar).

Some more tibits:
Spoiler
* Drop ship down to planet was excellent. Really felt the danger and force of the atmosphere à la Alien. Prometheus it was way to smooth and easy in that aspect.
* Not too keen on how the spores seem to move through the air so intelligently but I suppose they are semi-sentient nano machines?
* Don't mind Oram acting 'stupidly' by following David. I feel like he is already halfway out the door in terms of his motivation to continue with existence and just wanted answers. After all how would you be knowing that your choice cost so many lives including that of your partner, especially in such a nightmarish way? I suspect you would want to know why they had to die. He probably wouldn't mind the chance to see her sooner if possible.
* Loved how no of the characters are perfect in their moral condition, bravery or thought process (except Walter). They make human choices.
* Liked the resolve in Water's in face when challenged to make choice by David (though David was just stalling). He might be my favourite character in the whole series now.
* The death of the both Protomorphs was underwhelming, especially the second one.
* After reading about the alternative ending I feel that would have been more sinister.
* I really liked how the Neomorph and Protomophs were able to stretch perfectly upright like a statue. Can't really put a finger on what I liked about that just do.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Jigsaw85 on May 12, 2017, 01:01:49 AM
So how was the Alien portrayed in this movie? Was he big and powerful or weak and stupid? Just hoping he isn't AVPR level embarrassing.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 01:28:42 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on May 12, 2017, 01:01:49 AM
So how was the Alien portrayed in this movie? Was he big and powerful or weak and stupid? Just hoping he isn't AVPR level embarrassing.

More like the original Alien's look combined with the aggression of the Xeno in Alien 3.. Tall, lean, fast, strong and aggressive. Way better than AVPR.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Jigsaw85 on May 12, 2017, 01:34:55 AM
Quote from: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 01:28:42 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on May 12, 2017, 01:01:49 AM
So how was the Alien portrayed in this movie? Was he big and powerful or weak and stupid? Just hoping he isn't AVPR level embarrassing.

More like the original Alien's look combined with the aggression of the Xeno in Alien 3.. Tall, lean, fast, strong and aggressive. Way better than AVPR.

Awesome.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Predaker on May 12, 2017, 01:38:22 AM
Quote from: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 12:31:37 AM
Personally I'd rate them...

1. Aliens (10/10)
2. Alien 3 (8/10)
3. Prometheus (7.5/10)
4. Alien Covenant (3/10)
5. Alien (3/10)
6. Alien Resurrection (3/10)
7. AvP (1/10)
8. AvP:R (0/10)

Yes, I know I'm weird for hating the original. But I saw Aliens and Alien 3 before I saw Alien and found it dull and dated after seeing the other two. Would definitely have appreciated it more if I had seen it at release I'm sure.

Wut.

but the space jockey and the derelict... and what about the bonus situation?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Citadel on May 12, 2017, 01:46:44 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on May 12, 2017, 01:34:55 AM
Quote from: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 01:28:42 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on May 12, 2017, 01:01:49 AM
So how was the Alien portrayed in this movie? Was he big and powerful or weak and stupid? Just hoping he isn't AVPR level embarrassing.

More like the original Alien's look combined with the aggression of the Xeno in Alien 3.. Tall, lean, fast, strong and aggressive. Way better than AVPR.

Awesome.
Yet very easily defeated.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: newagescamartist on May 12, 2017, 01:47:17 AM
Quote from: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 12:31:37 AM
Personally I'd rate them...

1. Aliens (10/10)
2. Alien 3 (8/10)
3. Prometheus (7.5/10)
4. Alien Covenant (3/10)
5. Alien (3/10)
6. Alien Resurrection (3/10)
7. AvP (1/10)
8. AvP:R (0/10)

Yes, I know I'm weird for hating the original. But I saw Aliens and Alien 3 before I saw Alien and found it dull and dated after seeing the other two. Would definitely have appreciated it more if I had seen it at release I'm sure.

Strange rankings. I love how different everyone's taste is.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 01:55:56 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 12, 2017, 01:47:17 AM
Quote from: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 12:31:37 AM
Personally I'd rate them...

1. Aliens (10/10)
2. Alien 3 (8/10)
3. Prometheus (7.5/10)
4. Alien Covenant (3/10)
5. Alien (3/10)
6. Alien Resurrection (3/10)
7. AvP (1/10)
8. AvP:R (0/10)

Yes, I know I'm weird for hating the original. But I saw Aliens and Alien 3 before I saw Alien and found it dull and dated after seeing the other two. Would definitely have appreciated it more if I had seen it at release I'm sure.

Strange rankings. I love how different everyone's taste is.

I just find the original incredibly dull, slow and somewhat dated now. Aliens is for me, the ultimate film of the franchise and had everything. Don't understand the amount of hate Alien 3 gets. It wasn't a perfect film at all, and obviously not happy with the decision to kill off Newt and Hicks, but it was tense, entertaining, original and had great cinematography and production design.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: ChrisPachi on May 12, 2017, 02:35:21 AM
Ranking is tough. My rankings are chronological (Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection). Covenant is at the end somewhere with A:R.

This is easily the weirdest Alien movie ever. The first 20-30 minutes are great, then it is all pure bat-shit insanity. I am not sure how anyone could think back after seeing this movie and not shake their head in amazement at some of the shit that happens in this film. It is almost "wooden planet" type bonkers.

Rating: 5 WTFs out of 10.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 12, 2017, 02:40:44 AM
covenant is still holding on strong after 90 reviews. .currently sitting at 77 on rt
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 02:46:35 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 12, 2017, 02:35:21 AM
This is easily the weirdest Alien movie ever. The first 20-30 minutes are great, then it is all pure bat-shit insanity. I am not sure how anyone could think back after seeing this movie and not shake their head in amazement at some of the shit that happens in this film. It is almost "wooden planet" type bonkers.

Love that line to sum it up, so true. The first 30 minutes were seriously great, but then just bizarre creative choices by the writers. I think that equates to 25% great, 75% WTF. But not a good WTF.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: windebieste on May 12, 2017, 03:04:31 AM
These days, with big budget AAA movies targeting the brainless Saturday night popcorn crunching crowd, I'm happy if 80% of a movie is satisfying.  'ALIEN: Covenant' easily exceeds that goal for me.

I liked it - for what it is.  A roller coaster ride of new and familiar tropes progressing the series onto new horizons.  Yeah.  Overall, this is a good thing.

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 03:08:56 AM
Quote from: windebieste on May 12, 2017, 03:04:31 AM
These days, with big budget AAA movies targeting the brainless Saturday night popcorn crunching crowd, I'm happy if 80% of a movie is satisfying.  'ALIEN: Covenant' easily exceeds that goal for me.

I liked it - for what it is.  A roller coaster ride of new and familiar tropes progressing the series onto new horizons.  Yeah.  Overall, this is a good thing.

-Windebieste.

So true - I find most films these days almost a chore to sit through. Covenant wasn't that bad, and better than 90% of films within this genre that are released these days.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: windebieste on May 12, 2017, 03:10:15 AM
Oh yeah, where would I rate it?

ALIEN
ALIEN 3
ALIENS
ALIEN: Covenant
PROMETHEUS

That's not my preferential order and I'll watch any of those movies.  I like 'em all for different reasons.  'AvP' I might watch again sometime, maybe even this year.  As for 'ALIEN: Resurrection' and 'AvP-R'..?  Look, I recognise those titlesas part of the series and I know some people like 'em but I am happy without them in my life when the other movies have so much more appeal to me.

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Kimo on May 12, 2017, 03:28:10 AM
A bit of a rant first.

I tried to keep well away from any reviews and spoilers other then watching the first few trailers, and the first TV spot. However, keeping away from recent reviews was very hard to do with the likes of the Internet and Social Media. Well things were going great, I managed to kept away from AVP Galaxy and avoided most known sources that will most likely have Alien Covenant reviews over the last few weeks...  BUT afew days ago my f**king phone let me down when I was checking the daily world news on my Upday app that's on my phone. The first thing I seen in big bold black letters on my mobile screen was "Alien: Covenant review: a stupid, disappointing mess that cheapens the original franchise" (by wired.co.uk) Dam I was looking forward to going to see Covenant without knowing any reviews like I did when I first seen Prometheus back in 2012... Dam this put me on a downer for the rest of that day. However Iater that day, i decided to check a few more reviews to see if it was really as bad of what wired.co.uk said in there title? I first read some tiny bits of Private Hudson's review why trying to keep away from any spoilers. Then I read some of the overall reviews (mostly the positive ones) that were on AVP Galaxy's​ front page. After that my hopes went back up since most of the reviews were saying it's better then Prometheus and I infact like Prometheus so this could be a good thing.

Well I managed to get to a premier at my local cinema that was showing Alien Covenant on the 11th at 8:30pm and here is what I think.

Alien Covenant is good, but not as good as Alien or Aliens, let's be fair Ridley Scott never going to top his own film Alien. I would say its a solid sequel to Prometheus, if ur ok with Prometheus going down the Alien path. I do think some fans are going to be pleased, were some are going to have problems with this film. However what Ridley Scott has done is miles better then any of the later Alien and AvP films. And Covenant just tops Prometheus with better action and horror ands it's pretty brutal and gory for a 15 certificate.

Will contain plot SPOILERS so only read on if you already seen it. Or if you don't care for spoilers....

SPOILERS....
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Plot:
Basically the Trailers and TV spots give away too much of the story. And it steals alot from the first Alien movie. Sometimes it improves on them, were sometimes it doesn't. An example I liked was how they received the signal from Shaw. Were I did not care much for the Alien getting tracked by Walter or should I say David when it was hunting Daniels and Tennessee in the final act of the film. It just felt Ridley was shoehorning some of the things that work really well in the first Alien movie and trying to do them on a much bigger scale in Covenant.

We all knew David was going to turn bad. He has basically become Dr Frankenstein with abit of Roy Batty thrown in. I'm still not 100% sure if david will become the creator of the classic Xeno from Alien? The Eggs that he creates in Covenant seem to be of him playing about with the black goo and insects and other organic matter. However because someone behind me was eating a big bag of crisp and making loads of noise, I had problems making out the dialogue when David was talking to Walter or the captain who got facehugged. Talking about David, it was very obvious that he was pretending to be Walter when he got on the ship and escaped the planet with Daniels and Tennessee and that other dude. The film is definitely left wide open for a sequel and God knows what David will get up to with all them humans in cryo sleep. Another thing we don't see Walter die so is it possible that he survived? He also had healing capabilities because that wound on his neck heals when David first attacks him? Also did at least one Neomorph survived on the planet at the end? I can only remember one getting killed by the captain?

The lack of The Engineers was a bit disappointing, I wanted to see more of the one from Prometheus. We do get to see a short scene were David releases black goo on the city below that have a species similar to the engineer's but it's not clear if they are the same race? David just wipes out the whole city/planet? I hope we get to see the Engineers from Prometheus back in the next film.

In the Final Act that scene where Daniel's was swinging around on that steal cable why trying to shoot the Alien seemed a little over the top. The reason I say this, is because everytime she was swinging about trying to shoot the Alien I was thinking if that was real the ships burners would Fry her to death. How f**king lucky can she be? And it was not just that, f**king Tennessee was crashing in to things when trying to keep the ship stable in flight. Man she was lucky to get through that unscathed. I'm gunna put it in the same over the top scenario as Ripley having the Queen hanging of her leg why the air lock is open in Aliens.

Another dumb moment was adventuring out into the open (even if you heard a signal from another human) without a space suit. Now I can't remember if it was hinted that the planets air was breathable and safe in Covenant? If it was then fine, but I can't remember anything being said before they went looking for the ghost signal? However if not then Ridley you need to at least not repeat this Cliche.

Cast:
Michael Fassbender yet again steals the show as David and Walter. The other cast members were either forgetful or neutral when on screen. However thank God the weren't as dumb as some of the crew members from Prometheus. Daniels just felt like another Ripley type, and I don't think her character brought anything new to the Table. People give Noomi Rapace playing Shaw a lot of stick, but at least Shaw character felt fresh and not another Ripley wannabe clone. Basically non of the actors did a bad job in Covenant. The just never stood out, like the cast of Alien/Aliens only Michael Fassbender did when playing his roles and that brief appearance by Guy Pearce.

Neomorphs/Xenomorph
I thought the Neomorph design looked freaky, especially that scene in the movie were David gets confronted by an adult Neomorph. The Xenomorph looks good as well. However u will notice they can sometimes look abit CGI in some parts. The life cycle seems to be a lot faster then in any other films you will literally see the Xeno/Neo grow right in front of your eyes, it looks very weird. The one problem I had with both the Neo and Xeno was they both move way to fast and bounce around way to much, making it hard to appreciate the design of the creatures, because everything is moving way to fast on screen when either are attacking humans. But when we do get shots of both creatures standing, looking around or walking normally they look very scary and horrifying.

The Xeno most of the time moves on all fours just like the runner from Alien3 did. However the was a brief moment at the end were it was walking on two legs looking for Daniels and Tennessee in that room with the vehicles and it looked awsome in a freaky disturbing way. I almost had a vibe that Bolaji Badejo soul was inside that alien in that brief moment. Wish we got more alien walking around on 2 legs.

I think I liked the Neomorph more in this film then the Xenomorph. The is nothing wrong with the Xenomorph it looks great and serves its purpose but them adult Neomorphs look f**king creepy and are refreshing to look at. Would love to see it in the shadows picking people off slowly. That's what's also missing from this film, the lack of the boogeyman lurking in the shadows taking its time to kill. more scenes like Brett's death in Alien were the suspense builds up would of been a welcome, and not always have them attack like the mindless zombies from World War Z.

SPOILER END..................
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Overall:
Positives:
Fassbender and the small brief appearance of Guy Pearce.
Neomorphs/Xenomorph​s
Pretty violent and gory for a 15.
Looks gorgeous.
Music Score is excellent a mixture of both Alien and Prometheus.
Definitely left open for an interesting sequel.
No dumb characters like Fifield and Millburn from Prometheus.
David art work being a nod to Gigers.
My mate being stoned out of his head on whitey why watching this. Lol I never knew he was stoned, he just looked a little white and was shivering after the film was over. He did say the film f**ked him up lol. Don't do drugs kids ;)

Negatives:
Lack of the Engineers race.
has one or two movie cliches.
Last act pacing seems to be a little rushed.
You won't care for most of the characters.

Verdict:
A solid 7/10. Infact I'm pushing towards a 8/10 i am definitely stuck between a 7 and 8. Defo one of the better Alien films and just tops Prometheus. I can't wait to see were the sequel to Covenant takes us.

My films in order as of now are.
Alien
Aliens
Alien Covenant
Prometheus
Alien Res/Alien3 still wonded by A3.







Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 03:34:06 AM
Quote from: Kimo on May 12, 2017, 03:28:10 AM
it's pretty brutal and gory for a 15 certificate.

I was amazed by the level of gore in the film for a 15, there was buckets of it.  ;D

What I did notice was a lack of swearing/bad language, so maybe that helped bring the rating down.

Comprehensive review by the way, Kimo.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Kimo on May 12, 2017, 03:43:10 AM
Quote from: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 03:34:06 AM
Quote from: Kimo on May 12, 2017, 03:28:10 AM
it's pretty brutal and gory for a 15 certificate.

I was amazed by the level of gore in the film for a 15, there was buckets of it.  ;D

What I did notice was a lack of swearing/bad language, so maybe that helped bring the rating down.

Comprehensive review by the way, Kimo.

Ya I think I only remember hearing 2 swear words. I think you need a tone of boob and sex shots and the C word to get a 18 these days.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 12, 2017, 04:02:22 AM
. .but why 3 out of 10 then bacchus?. .c'mon. .and no movie is so great it deserves a 10 or so crap it deserves a 0. .even avpr for that matter
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Bruno_People on May 12, 2017, 04:09:29 AM
See the result of this Survey, you people deserve what is coming to this franchise. :-\ :-\

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 04:16:25 AM
Quote from: juxtapose on May 12, 2017, 04:02:22 AM
. .but why 3 out of 10 then bacchus?. .c'mon. .and no movie is so great it deserves a 10 or so crap it deserves a 0. .even avpr for that matter

I really wanted it to be great. Lots of people do think it's great, so I'm probably in the minority.

Lack of scares, recycling of previous Alien movies, lack of originality, anything remotely original wasn't well executed and confusing at best. Some of the CG wasn't great and was distracting. Lack of character development or sympathy for any of the characters. Ending felt rushed, and the movie just went from one set piece to another without much thought. Could have benefited from being longer, and including the 'Last Supper' prologue for a couple of reasons.

I did like the practical effects with the neomorph and the gore, and as I said in a couple of threads, the first 30 minutes of the film are great with some really good scenes. Production design and the sets are beautiful. However, the final 90 minutes is just filled with all of the above issues.

Going to re-watch it tomorrow for a second opinion.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Protozoid on May 12, 2017, 04:38:15 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 12, 2017, 02:35:21 AM
Ranking is tough. My rankings are chronological (Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection). Covenant is at the end somewhere with A:R.

This is easily the weirdest Alien movie ever. The first 20-30 minutes are great, then it is all pure bat-shit insanity. I am not sure how anyone could think back after seeing this movie and not shake their head in amazement at some of the shit that happens in this film. It is almost "wooden planet" type bonkers.

Rating: 5 WTFs out of 10.
That's the most appealing description of Covenant that I've read so far.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: PierreVW on May 12, 2017, 05:24:38 AM
I just saw it and I LOVED IT!.

But I understand why some of you are hating it.

I think PROMETHEUS is a failure but a very interesting failure.

ALIEN: COVENANT works A LOT BETTER than PROMETHEUS but at the same time it's a more simple film.

Still I love 4 aspects of ALIEN: COVENANT:

1.- Sir Ridley Scott: His Directing is VERY STRONG. Its FRANTIC rithm and pace is perfection. It felt very modern.

2.- Michael Fassbender: His acting is perfection. After this film, I think Michael Fassbender is the greatest actor worldwide. Better than Leonardo DiCaprio.

3.- Katherine Waterston: She works better than Noomi Rapace in PROMETHEUS. Katherine Waterston is the Heart of this movie.

4.- The Production Design by Chris Seagers: BEAUTIFUL!.


I forgot MY ALL TIME RANKING:

1.- ALIEN.

2.- ALIENS.

3.- ALIEN: COVENANT.

4.- PROMETHEUS.

5.- ALIEN 3.

6.- ALIEN: RESURRECTION.

7.- ALIEN VS PREDATOR.

8.- ALIEN VS PREDATOR: REQUIEM.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Kimo on May 12, 2017, 05:25:37 AM
I'm surprised​ by some of the hate for Covenant in this thread. Covenant had its problems but overall its a half decent Alien/Prometheus flix... Look on the bright side kids? Think of the worst case scenario? We could all be ultimate Terminator Fans and live and breath Terminator 24/7 and all we have had in the last 20years is Terminator 3, Sarah Conner Chronicles, Salvation and that God awful Terminator genisys to cry over and moan about. Just think of them poor bastards.  ;D
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 05:27:25 AM
Quote from: Kimo on May 12, 2017, 05:25:37 AM
I'm surprised​ by some of the hate for Covenant in this thread. Covenant had its problems but overall its a half decent Alien/Prometheus flix... Look on the bright side kids? Think of the worst case scenario? We could all be ultimate Terminator Fans and live and breath Terminator 24/7 and all we have had in the last 20years is Terminator 3, Sarah Conner Chronicles, Salvation and that God awful Terminator genisys to cry over and moan about. Just think of them poor bastards.  ;D

Well AvP and AvPR were bad enough...

But yeah, the Terminator fanboys have had a really tough couple of decades.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Whos_Nick on May 12, 2017, 05:27:52 AM
isn't cameron working on a new terminator reboot
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 05:30:08 AM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 12, 2017, 05:27:52 AM
isn't cameron working on a new terminator reboot

Think that's dead in the water. He's a little busy with the 4 back-to-back Avatar sequels he's working on simultaneously.

We won't see a new Terminator movie for a long term, which is a good thing. When they do, it'll likely be a complete reboot with a new storyline and no Arnie, which is probably for the best.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Sway on May 12, 2017, 05:34:32 AM
"A failure but an interesting failure" -----Spot on and beautifully said, my friend
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Taxemic on May 12, 2017, 05:42:20 AM
I thought the score was great too.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: PierreVW on May 12, 2017, 05:43:37 AM
Quote from: Sway on May 12, 2017, 05:34:32 AM
"A failure but an interesting failure" -----Spot on and beautifully said, my friend

Thanks.

Maybe in the future, PROMETHEUS is going to be rediscovered like BLADE RUNNER.

I don't know anymore.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: dave1978 on May 12, 2017, 06:03:18 AM
Now thats how you do an Alien movie,  i thought it was totally brilliant. 

Over the years i have been one of Prometheus's harshest critics but Alien covenant was such a relief that they pulled it off. 

Yes there are faults and one dissapointment was the cut scenes of the Alien,  what happened to the red corridor,  where was the scene with Mother "its 4 feet above you"?    We have to remember the incredibly high standards by which we are judging this film,  Alien & Aliens are freaks of cinema,  films like that will never be achieved ever again 10 out of 10's.  But Covenant easily gains a healthy 8/10.

Best scene of the film has to be the birth of the main Xeno,  the way it and David stand looking at each other, wonderful stuff.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
Quote from: dave1978 on May 12, 2017, 06:03:18 AM
Now thats how you do an Alien movie,  i thought it was totally brilliant. 

Over the years i have been one of Prometheus's harshest critics but Alien covenant was such a relief that they pulled it off. 

Yes there are faults and one dissapointment was the cut scenes of the Alien,  what happened to the red corridor,  where was the scene with Mother "its 4 feet above you"?    We have to remember the incredibly high standards by which we are judging this film,  Alien & Aliens are freaks of cinema,  films like that will never be achieved ever again 10 out of 10's.  But Covenant easily gains a healthy 8/10.

Best scene of the film has to be the birth of the main Xeno,  the way it and David stand looking at each other, wonderful stuff.

look stupid to me. (i hear some people giggle)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on May 12, 2017, 06:36:33 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 12, 2017, 01:47:17 AM
Quote from: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 12:31:37 AM
Personally I'd rate them...

1. Aliens (10/10)
2. Alien 3 (8/10)
3. Prometheus (7.5/10)
4. Alien Covenant (3/10)
5. Alien (3/10)
6. Alien Resurrection (3/10)
7. AvP (1/10)
8. AvP:R (0/10)

Yes, I know I'm weird for hating the original. But I saw Aliens and Alien 3 before I saw Alien and found it dull and dated after seeing the other two. Would definitely have appreciated it more if I had seen it at release I'm sure.

Strange rankings. I love how different everyone's taste is.

Which is why the opinions here are largely academic, although interesting, and don't really reflect the reality (only our own reality of course).
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 12, 2017, 06:40:45 AM
. .how many birth scenes are in this movie. .back, throat and chest. .so counting 3 and how many neo's are running around?. .and just one xeno i am guessing?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 06:46:17 AM
Quote from: juxtapose on May 12, 2017, 06:40:45 AM
. .how many birth scenes are in this movie. .back, throat and chest. .so counting 3 and how many neo's are running around?. .and just one xeno i am guessing?

2 neo 2 xeno
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 06:51:08 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
Quote from: dave1978 on May 12, 2017, 06:03:18 AM
Now thats how you do an Alien movie,  i thought it was totally brilliant. 

Over the years i have been one of Prometheus's harshest critics but Alien covenant was such a relief that they pulled it off. 

Yes there are faults and one dissapointment was the cut scenes of the Alien,  what happened to the red corridor,  where was the scene with Mother "its 4 feet above you"?    We have to remember the incredibly high standards by which we are judging this film,  Alien & Aliens are freaks of cinema,  films like that will never be achieved ever again 10 out of 10's.  But Covenant easily gains a healthy 8/10.

Best scene of the film has to be the birth of the main Xeno,  the way it and David stand looking at each other, wonderful stuff.

look stupid to me. (i hear some people giggle)

That's how I felt. I think there was a collective cringe in the cinema I was in over that shite
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 12, 2017, 06:51:29 AM
awesome!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 900SL on May 12, 2017, 07:05:07 AM
Quote from: Kimo on May 12, 2017, 05:25:37 AM
I'm surprised​ by some of the hate for Covenant in this thread. Covenant had its problems but overall its a half decent Alien/Prometheus flix... Look on the bright side kids? Think of the worst case scenario? We could all be ultimate Terminator Fans and live and breath Terminator 24/7 and all we have had in the last 20years is Terminator 3, Sarah Conner Chronicles, Salvation and that God awful Terminator genisys to cry over and moan about. Just think of them poor bastards.  ;D

The only way to get the films you want is to reject those that regard you as a mindless consumer of junk. Unless, of course, you are a mindless consumer of junk, in which case you'll be delighted.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: ebbhead40 on May 12, 2017, 07:27:23 AM
Quote from: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 06:51:08 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
Quote from: dave1978 on May 12, 2017, 06:03:18 AM
Now thats how you do an Alien movie,  i thought it was totally brilliant. 

Over the years i have been one of Prometheus's harshest critics but Alien covenant was such a relief that they pulled it off. 

Yes there are faults and one dissapointment was the cut scenes of the Alien,  what happened to the red corridor,  where was the scene with Mother "its 4 feet above you"?    We have to remember the incredibly high standards by which we are judging this film,  Alien & Aliens are freaks of cinema,  films like that will never be achieved ever again 10 out of 10's.  But Covenant easily gains a healthy 8/10.

Best scene of the film has to be the birth of the main Xeno,  the way it and David stand looking at each other, wonderful stuff.

look stupid to me. (i hear some people giggle)

That's how I felt. I think there was a collective cringe in the cinema I was in over that shite

Thats the point my 'willing the film to get better' ran out, I think. There were lots of laughs, FFS's, tuts and facepalms going on where I was.

*wavey hands*
"Hello Mr David!! Screeeeeee!!"
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 07:40:58 AM
Quote from: ebbhead40 on May 12, 2017, 07:27:23 AM
Quote from: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 06:51:08 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
Quote from: dave1978 on May 12, 2017, 06:03:18 AM
Now thats how you do an Alien movie,  i thought it was totally brilliant. 

Over the years i have been one of Prometheus's harshest critics but Alien covenant was such a relief that they pulled it off. 

Yes there are faults and one dissapointment was the cut scenes of the Alien,  what happened to the red corridor,  where was the scene with Mother "its 4 feet above you"?    We have to remember the incredibly high standards by which we are judging this film,  Alien & Aliens are freaks of cinema,  films like that will never be achieved ever again 10 out of 10's.  But Covenant easily gains a healthy 8/10.

Best scene of the film has to be the birth of the main Xeno,  the way it and David stand looking at each other, wonderful stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrxlbLVcpqI
look stupid to me. (i hear some people giggle)

That's how I felt. I think there was a collective cringe in the cinema I was in over that shite

Thats the point my 'willing the film to get better' ran out, I think. There were lots of laughs, FFS's, tuts and facepalms going on where I was.

*wavey hands*
"Hello Mr David!! Screeeeeee!!"

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on May 12, 2017, 07:48:06 AM
Quote from: 900SL on May 12, 2017, 07:05:07 AM
Quote from: Kimo on May 12, 2017, 05:25:37 AM
I'm surprised​ by some of the hate for Covenant in this thread. Covenant had its problems but overall its a half decent Alien/Prometheus flix... Look on the bright side kids? Think of the worst case scenario? We could all be ultimate Terminator Fans and live and breath Terminator 24/7 and all we have had in the last 20years is Terminator 3, Sarah Conner Chronicles, Salvation and that God awful Terminator genisys to cry over and moan about. Just think of them poor bastards.  ;D

The only way to get the films you want is to reject those that regard you as a mindless consumer of junk. Unless, of course, you are a mindless consumer of junk, in which case you'll be delighted.
Or simply refrain from supporting endless franchises, sequels, geek communities/culture... and instead, support new films/drama etc. We're all sucking on the same teet...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Alien³ on May 12, 2017, 07:49:58 AM
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 07:51:35 AM
Quote from: ebbhead40 on May 12, 2017, 07:27:23 AM
Quote from: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 06:51:08 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
Quote from: dave1978 on May 12, 2017, 06:03:18 AM
Now thats how you do an Alien movie,  i thought it was totally brilliant. 

Over the years i have been one of Prometheus's harshest critics but Alien covenant was such a relief that they pulled it off. 

Yes there are faults and one dissapointment was the cut scenes of the Alien,  what happened to the red corridor,  where was the scene with Mother "its 4 feet above you"?    We have to remember the incredibly high standards by which we are judging this film,  Alien & Aliens are freaks of cinema,  films like that will never be achieved ever again 10 out of 10's.  But Covenant easily gains a healthy 8/10.

Best scene of the film has to be the birth of the main Xeno,  the way it and David stand looking at each other, wonderful stuff.

look stupid to me. (i hear some people giggle)

That's how I felt. I think there was a collective cringe in the cinema I was in over that shite

Thats the point my 'willing the film to get better' ran out, I think. There were lots of laughs, FFS's, tuts and facepalms going on where I was.

*wavey hands*
"Hello Mr David!! Screeeeeee!!"

Haha at least I was enjoying the film thoroughly to that point. Would've been even worse if I wasn't and then that was the icing on the turd cake (had even suspended my disbelief on Orams about turn after calling David the devil and then 180 turn 'oh actually I might trust you after all you old rascal, lead me to my death')
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Elmazalman on May 12, 2017, 07:56:46 AM
Quote from: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 07:51:35 AM
Quote from: ebbhead40 on May 12, 2017, 07:27:23 AM
Quote from: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 06:51:08 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
Quote from: dave1978 on May 12, 2017, 06:03:18 AM
Now thats how you do an Alien movie,  i thought it was totally brilliant. 

Over the years i have been one of Prometheus's harshest critics but Alien covenant was such a relief that they pulled it off. 

Yes there are faults and one dissapointment was the cut scenes of the Alien,  what happened to the red corridor,  where was the scene with Mother "its 4 feet above you"?    We have to remember the incredibly high standards by which we are judging this film,  Alien & Aliens are freaks of cinema,  films like that will never be achieved ever again 10 out of 10's.  But Covenant easily gains a healthy 8/10.

Best scene of the film has to be the birth of the main Xeno,  the way it and David stand looking at each other, wonderful stuff.

look stupid to me. (i hear some people giggle)

That's how I felt. I think there was a collective cringe in the cinema I was in over that shite

Thats the point my 'willing the film to get better' ran out, I think. There were lots of laughs, FFS's, tuts and facepalms going on where I was.

*wavey hands*
"Hello Mr David!! Screeeeeee!!"

Haha at least I was enjoying the film thoroughly to that point. Would've been even worse if I wasn't and then that was the icing on the turd cake (had even suspended my disbelief on Orams about turn after calling David the devil and then 180 turn 'oh actually I might trust you after all you old rascal, lead me to my death')
He had him pegged completely, then he turns and trusts the treacherous prick a moment later and pays the price. That made less sense than anything character-wise in Prometheus.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stargazer on May 12, 2017, 07:58:01 AM
God damn!!

Id give this a solid 4 out of 5.

I got exactly what i wanted out of it. I loved it. Wasnt as hyped as i thought i would have for this film when it was announced but it surprised me by actually. . . Being good.

There are some scenes that are burned into my mind right now.

The film has left some unanswered questions but im fine with that seeing as how they haver already written a sequel so at least now we know these films wont be made up as they go along. Cant wait for the sequel.


RIDLEY SCOTT my whigga. You made a great scifi film again. Congrats. For a while there i thought blade runner and Alien were just flukes.

I can see why some people dont like it but i guess im just easy to please with films. Only gripe I have though. . Why in scifi films, do explorers always take off their freakin helmets!!!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: PsyKore on May 12, 2017, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on May 12, 2017, 07:56:46 AM
Quote from: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 07:51:35 AM
Quote from: ebbhead40 on May 12, 2017, 07:27:23 AM
Quote from: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 06:51:08 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
Quote from: dave1978 on May 12, 2017, 06:03:18 AM
Now thats how you do an Alien movie,  i thought it was totally brilliant. 

Over the years i have been one of Prometheus's harshest critics but Alien covenant was such a relief that they pulled it off. 

Yes there are faults and one dissapointment was the cut scenes of the Alien,  what happened to the red corridor,  where was the scene with Mother "its 4 feet above you"?    We have to remember the incredibly high standards by which we are judging this film,  Alien & Aliens are freaks of cinema,  films like that will never be achieved ever again 10 out of 10's.  But Covenant easily gains a healthy 8/10.

Best scene of the film has to be the birth of the main Xeno,  the way it and David stand looking at each other, wonderful stuff.

look stupid to me. (i hear some people giggle)

That's how I felt. I think there was a collective cringe in the cinema I was in over that shite

Thats the point my 'willing the film to get better' ran out, I think. There were lots of laughs, FFS's, tuts and facepalms going on where I was.

*wavey hands*
"Hello Mr David!! Screeeeeee!!"

Haha at least I was enjoying the film thoroughly to that point. Would've been even worse if I wasn't and then that was the icing on the turd cake (had even suspended my disbelief on Orams about turn after calling David the devil and then 180 turn 'oh actually I might trust you after all you old rascal, lead me to my death')
He had him pegged completely, then he turns and trusts the treacherous prick a moment later and pays the price. That made less sense than anything character-wise in Prometheus.
He wanted to know what was going on. He was the one with a gun. I don't think he expected to be facehugged.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on May 12, 2017, 08:01:02 AM
Spoiler
Again, he literally just saw the android trying to talk and sympathize with the monster, then got a 5 minute tour through David's house of horrors where he explains he's been improving said monsters. He has zero reason to trust David or feel safe sticking his face in an alien object.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:03:03 AM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 12, 2017, 05:24:38 AM
I just saw it and I LOVED IT!.

But I understand why some of you are hating it.

I think PROMETHEUS is a failure but a very interesting failure.

ALIEN: COVENANT works A LOT BETTER than PROMETHEUS but at the same time it's a more simple film.

Still I love 4 aspects of ALIEN: COVENANT:

1.- Sir Ridley Scott: His Directing is VERY STRONG. Its FRANTIC rithm and pace is perfection. It felt very modern.

2.- Michael Fassbender: His acting is perfection. After this film, I think Michael Fassbender is the greatest actor worldwide. Better than Leonardo DiCaprio.

3.- Katherine Waterston: She works better than Noomi Rapace in PROMETHEUS. Katherine Waterston is the Heart of this movie.

4.- The Production Design by Chris Seagers: BEAUTIFUL!.


I forgot MY ALL TIME RANKING:

1.- ALIEN.

2.- ALIENS.

3.- ALIEN: COVENANT.

4.- PROMETHEUS.

5.- ALIEN 3.

6.- ALIEN: RESURRECTION.

7.- ALIEN VS PREDATOR.

8.- ALIEN VS PREDATOR: REQUIEM.

Merging with existing fan reviews thread.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on May 12, 2017, 08:05:00 AM
As for ratings, I'm going to stick Covenant around Alien Resurrection. They have merits, but they're not what I want out of an Alien film and I'm happy not paying them much attention going forward.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: jdxmoore on May 12, 2017, 08:05:51 AM
Went to see it last night and I really enjoyed it. As a big fan of Alien and Prometheus I left the cinema satisfied.

There are some wonderful moments in this film imo. The David and Walter scenes were standout for me and I personally have no qualms with the direction that they appear to be taking with David's storyline. The other scene I loved was the lander approach and landing on the planet - mind blowing  visuals.

I loved the cast who did a great job - no individual or line of dialog bothered me (apart from the Daniel's line about blowing it into space!).

Special mention for the music score by Jed Kurzel which worked very well and enhanced the mood of the visuals and story. Seemed to me he came on board to this project quite late in production so a fantastic job by him in quite a short amount of time.

I'm glad they did both prologues but feel they maybe could have integrated them into the final cut somehow instead.

Looking forward to the next movie and the books by ADF.

My ranking:

1) Alien 10/10
2) Aliens 10/10
3) Alien Covenant 8.5/10
4) Prometheus 8/10
5) Alien 3 7/10
6) Resurrection 3/10
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on May 12, 2017, 08:07:15 AM
For record:

Alien
Aliens
Alien3
Resurrection
Covenant
Prometheus
.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 08:11:17 AM
Saw it last night. Very uneven movie. Some great scenes (prologue) and some soulless ones. When it comes to Alien lore plenty of WTF? moments. There are even some comedic moment Resurrection-alike. It's a solid but generic movie. Editing could have been better. Ridley Scott is an entertainer and Covenant is an popcorn flick. Scott lost his magic but he's able to make a decent movies.

6.5 out of 10.

I'm gonna watch it again on blu-ray. It's very re-watchable movie which is a merit.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:16:13 AM
Honestly, I think Scott is too big for these films. Alien was great because it had such a great collaborative creative team on it. People don't tell Scott no now and Scott tends to bend to the studios (*cough* Alien inclusion that felt forced because it was *cough*) because he knows how to play the game to get what he wants (David).

While I like David, I'd still a rather rounded out finished production. I think it's time we got back to new faces.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: D. Compton Ambrose on May 12, 2017, 08:21:42 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:16:13 AM
Honestly, I think Scott is too big for these films. Alien was great because it had such a great collaborative creative team on it. People don't tell Scott no now and Scott tends to bend to the studios (*cough* Alien inclusion that felt forced because it was *cough*) because he knows how to play the game to get what he wants (David).

While I like David, I'd still a rather rounded out finished production. I think it's time we got back to new faces.

This. I'm starting to regret manifesting the death of Neill Blomkamp's Alien 5. :(
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:23:12 AM
I don't think Blomkamp's project as we knew it would have been good but I'd have no issues with seeing him tackle a different story.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: ebbhead40 on May 12, 2017, 08:24:12 AM
I think it all hangs on whether or not you like 'David the mental AI creatOr' angle or not. The trouble I have is that for me the Alien universe was great because the scifi elements were grounded in a believable, 'real' future feeling. The whole David thing was handled in a way that started to stray off into almost fantasy territory.

Alien
Aliens
Alien3
Prometheus
Covenant
Resurrection
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: windebieste on May 12, 2017, 08:29:07 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:23:12 AM
I don't think Blomkamp's project as we knew it would have been good but I'd have no issues with seeing him tackle a different story.

Absolutely!  I still think he'd be a great successor to Scott for continuing the series.  Him, or Villeneuve.  Both of those Directors have the technical skills and background in bringing SF content to the screen. 

It doesn't matter who makes the next movie, though.  They'll need a thoroughly kick ass writer to bring it to life.

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:32:02 AM
Quote from: windebieste on May 12, 2017, 08:29:07 AM
It doesn't matter who makes the next movie, though.  They'll need a thoroughly kick ass writer to bring it to life.

And a director who will listen to that writer.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 08:35:42 AM
Alien Blomkamp's concept art

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FeS30Vq7l.jpg&hash=20014e40e26687a72c1dc77080a11d56828ca276)

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: jdxmoore on May 12, 2017, 08:35:55 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:32:02 AM
Quote from: windebieste on May 12, 2017, 08:29:07 AM
It doesn't matter who makes the next movie, though.  They'll need a thoroughly kick ass writer to bring it to life.

And a director who will listen to that writer.

Apart from if it's Lindelof right?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 08:35:59 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:32:02 AM
Quote from: windebieste on May 12, 2017, 08:29:07 AM
It doesn't matter who makes the next movie, though.  They'll need a thoroughly kick ass writer to bring it to life.

And a director who will listen to that writer.

But it was John Logan who convinced Ridley to come back to Xenomorph stuff.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: D. Compton Ambrose on May 12, 2017, 08:43:48 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 08:35:42 AM
Alien Blomkamp's concept art

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FeS30Vq7l.jpg&hash=20014e40e26687a72c1dc77080a11d56828ca276)

That did not come from Blomkamp's team. That is fan art.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 08:35:42 AM
Alien Blomkamp's concept art

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FeS30Vq7l.jpg&hash=20014e40e26687a72c1dc77080a11d56828ca276)

That's just fanart.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/qQvKD

Quote from: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 08:35:59 AM
But it was John Logan who convinced Ridley to come back to Xenomorph stuff.

I'm told that came down from Fox.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 08:56:07 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 08:35:59 AM
But it was John Logan who convinced Ridley to come back to Xenomorph stuff.

I'm told that came down from Fox.

If it came down from Fox then it means that writer didn't have much to say anyway. It's Fox movie.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 09:00:45 AM
Obviously, we don't know the full picture yet. But yes, it's Fox's movie. And they're mis-reacting to Prometheus with this. However, in an ideal world it'd be nice to have a writer (and/or director) who isn't hampered by damaging edicts from above, a director who people dare say "this is a bad idea" to and etc.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SuicideDoors on May 12, 2017, 09:07:36 AM
I'm going to watch the film again tomorrow before composing my final thoughts. First reaction below though:

Spoiler
- They didn't get the Alien right :( almost everything was off. Oram had a chest splatter of blood before expressing pain;
the life cycle was too quick and the facehugger impregnation on Lope was facepalm. The adult variation was full on AvP almost. No elegant, sinister, almost beautiful portrayal that has been sorely missed since '79 (maybe 86)

+ However I liked the new chestburster. Translucent and spindly, it's a disregard of the old design but one that's executed well enough.

+ Loved the Neomorph. The backburster remains the most thrilling sequence in the film from the preview footage.

- The second act left me cold. Tonal switch to Prometheus 2 from an outright Alien film was jarring. Even though I did like the Fassbender philosophical babbling

+ Fassbender is just outright wacky and crazy as David. Scenes between David and Walter are weird yet appreciated for adding a bit more complexity to your standard Aliens killing everything movie.

+ Acting is generally really good.

- Characterisation is null and void however.

+ David's little shop of horrors.

+ In what is otherwise an extremely bleak film, there is some genuine giggles mostly from Fassbender's androids. "Let me do the fingering" and "Don't let the bed bugs bite" were hilarious.

- I felt it was too short. The breakneck pace after they land on the planet needed padding out in some section, probably the third act. Actually definitely the third act. More care to the Alien life-cycle would have been greatly appreciated and may have bumped it up a mark in my books.

+ Looks gorgeous.
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I can't muster up a rating yet - but I know where I'd put it in rankings:

Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien: Covenant
Prometheus
Alien Resurrection
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 09:14:26 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 08:35:42 AM
Alien Blomkamp's concept art

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FeS30Vq7l.jpg&hash=20014e40e26687a72c1dc77080a11d56828ca276)

That's just fanart.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/qQvKD

oh my bad.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: dave1978 on May 12, 2017, 09:15:24 AM
Everyone moaning the life cycle was too quick,    are you forgetting Alien???  it burst from Kane and was 8 feet tall in under 10 minutes in the film,  hours in the story.   give it a rest
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: whiterabbit on May 12, 2017, 09:16:57 AM
Somebody post the current results... I still have a week to go!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 09:31:34 AM
Quote from: dave1978 on May 12, 2017, 09:15:24 AM
Everyone moaning the life cycle was too quick,    are you forgetting Alien???  it burst from Kane and was 8 feet tall in under 10 minutes in the film,  hours in the story.   give it a rest

Seriously? Alien implies a longer time between burster and the death of Brett at the hands of the big chap. They even have time to have a funeral for Kane and shoot him out into space before having a big team meeting to plan, ash to craft a motion detector from scratch, before they go hunting. Covenant seems to imply a much shorter duration.

Yes there is ambiguity in both movies as to how much time has past, but a reasonable person watching both movies side by side would assume much more time has past in alien.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: PsyKore on May 12, 2017, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 12, 2017, 08:01:02 AM
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Again, he literally just saw the android trying to talk and sympathize with the monster, then got a 5 minute tour through David's house of horrors where he explains he's been improving said monsters. He has zero reason to trust David or feel safe sticking his face in an alien object.
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Meh, he's definitely gullible, but curiosity was too strong.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 09:48:21 AM
i don't understand why
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Lope have alien inside him ? yeah fachugger attack him but that just few second before get cut off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBvbmCPZ0vg&spfreload=5
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 12, 2017, 09:52:36 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 09:48:21 AMi don't understand why
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Lope have alien inside him ? yeah fachugger attack him but that just few second before get cut off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBvbmCPZ0vg&spfreload=5
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Desperate attempt to surprise the audience with an Alien in the final act... despite the fact the trailers showed us one on the ship so everyone knew it was coming anyway.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Imbrie on May 12, 2017, 09:54:59 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 09:48:21 AM
i don't understand why
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Lope have alien inside him ? yeah fachugger attack him but that just few second before get cut off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBvbmCPZ0vg&spfreload=5
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The facehugger was just able to impregnate Lope very quickly. The entire lifecycles/growth of the creatures is super fast in Covenant.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 09:56:42 AM
When I spoke to Bichir in the junket he said something to the effect of

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whatever was spilled on his cheek - which I took to be acid - (I can't remember the exact wording) was responsible for infecting him.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on May 12, 2017, 10:09:20 AM
Hopefully should be seeing this on Saturday or Sunday. So will finally be able to read spoilers after then lol

This will be the first Alien film I will have seen in the Cinema, so should be fun
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 10:14:32 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 09:56:42 AM
When I spoke to Bichir in the junket he said something to the effect of

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whatever was spilled on his cheek - which I took to be acid - (I can't remember the exact wording) was responsible for infecting him.
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??? :o
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 10:23:53 AM
I wonder if the "waaa?" I was thinking showed.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 12, 2017, 10:35:06 AM
Now that's interesting indeed...

And probably bullshit. It's just acid, right?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 10:35:47 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 10:23:53 AM
I wonder if the "waaa?" I was thinking showed.  :laugh:

Lol some of these actors clearly have little idea of the bigger picture of what they work on. At least he gave a good performance and collected his paycheque. Even fassbender in some of his interviews sounds like he's struggling to make up shit as he goes along
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Kimo on May 12, 2017, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: 900SL on May 12, 2017, 07:05:07 AM
Quote from: Kimo on May 12, 2017, 05:25:37 AM
I'm surprised​ by some of the hate for Covenant in this thread. Covenant had its problems but overall its a half decent Alien/Prometheus flix... Look on the bright side kids? Think of the worst case scenario? We could all be ultimate Terminator Fans and live and breath Terminator 24/7 and all we have had in the last 20years is Terminator 3, Sarah Conner Chronicles, Salvation and that God awful Terminator genisys to cry over and moan about. Just think of them poor bastards.  ;D

The only way to get the films you want is to reject those that regard you as a mindless consumer of junk. Unless, of course, you are a mindless consumer of junk, in which case you'll be delighted.

Or the studio's need to stop milking films and dumbing down on ratings.

Btw for the person who said what about the AVP films being shit? Well yah the are bad films but for me they are not set in the same universe as Alien. Prometheus and Covenant are in the same universe.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 10:48:59 AM
Why did Mother

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open colonists' cryosleep quarters for David at the end of the movie? Walter was Covenant's only synthetic not David. No security protocol? She even calls him David but it the final log Walter uses his real name which is a signal for Mother that something's wrong. Confusing.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: dave1978 on May 12, 2017, 10:53:29 AM
I got the impression it was all pre planned by Weyland,  Walter gave off the feeling that he knew all along what was going down.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: TheDerelict on May 12, 2017, 11:03:50 AM
Saw the film last night with my brother and I'm going to see it again tonight. I absolutely loved this film. The characters, the location, the alien, the gore and double fassbender is always a win. When David calls Walter "sport" I laughed.
I was smiling and on the edge of my seat the whole time.
Some genuinely creepy moments aswell, when rosenthal turns round to see the neomorph standing their looking down at her breathing like a sex pest I though was disturbing.
And the scene with fassbender and Daniels at the cryo pod at the end, even though obvious from a mile away blew me away.
I can see why some people don't like this film but I can see why some love it too.
I loved it. I though Billy Crudup was great also.
And exploring the crashed derilict and finding the Prometheus space suit gave me goose bumps. I don't normally gush like this over films and much as I love the original quadrilogy I'm happy and excited for a fresh direction with the franchise and I think this gives us that. This film also really compliments Prometheus which I also love.
There's so much more I could say but I won't spoil it for anyone.
Bar some minor elements I thought were a bit suspect the film was everything I hoped it would be.
I give the film a 9.5 out of 10
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 12, 2017, 11:03:52 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 10:48:59 AMWhy did Mother

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open colonists' cryosleep quarters for David at the end of the movie? Walter was Covenant's only synthetic not David. No security protocol? She even calls him David but it the final log Walter uses his real name which is a signal for Mother that something's wrong. Confusing.[/spoiler
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I figured he simply accessed Mother by assuming David's personality before entering himself as a valid crewmember.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 11:11:32 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 12, 2017, 11:03:52 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 10:48:59 AMWhy did Mother

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open colonists' cryosleep quarters for David at the end of the movie? Walter was Covenant's only synthetic not David. No security protocol? She even calls him David but it the final log Walter uses his real name which is a signal for Mother that something's wrong. Confusing.[/spoiler
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I figured he simply accessed Mother by assuming David's personality before entering himself as a valid crewmember.
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I have yet to see the movie but could it be possible that David
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somehow uploaded himself into Walters body? I mean, really an AI's mind would be nothing but a software package installed within the AI synthetic persons hardware (their body)
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 900SL on May 12, 2017, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 08:35:42 AM
Alien Blomkamp's concept art

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FeS30Vq7l.jpg&hash=20014e40e26687a72c1dc77080a11d56828ca276)

Why are they wearing benq projectors on their heads? Are the Aliens going to play 'Hangover 2' to the terrified populace?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Look into my eye on May 12, 2017, 11:37:02 AM
2.00PM today, can't wait.  :)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 12, 2017, 11:38:07 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 11:11:32 AMI have yet to see the movie but could it be possible that David
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somehow uploaded himself into Walters body? I mean, really an AI's mind would be nothing but a software package installed within the AI synthetic persons hardware (their body)
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The film never shows us exactly what happens but I guess that's a possibility.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 12, 2017, 11:03:52 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 10:48:59 AMWhy did Mother

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open colonists' cryosleep quarters for David at the end of the movie? Walter was Covenant's only synthetic not David. No security protocol? She even calls him David but it the final log Walter uses his real name which is a signal for Mother that something's wrong. Confusing.[/spoiler
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I figured he simply accessed Mother by assuming David's personality before entering himself as a valid crewmember.
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I didn't get that impression. There was serious emphasis put on what David says to MUTHR  'special command override David xxxx' like it was a long established code. Most Likely interp = weyland granted him special executive powers (in aid of the search for a way to prolong weylands life) that have simply been overlooked and not rescinded since the Prometheus mission. Or it is part of a grander, longer term conspiracy we are yet to dwell into
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 11:53:04 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 11:11:32 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 12, 2017, 11:03:52 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 10:48:59 AMWhy did Mother

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open colonists' cryosleep quarters for David at the end of the movie? Walter was Covenant's only synthetic not David. No security protocol? She even calls him David but it the final log Walter uses his real name which is a signal for Mother that something's wrong. Confusing.[/spoiler
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I figured he simply accessed Mother by assuming David's personality before entering himself as a valid crewmember.
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I have yet to see the movie but could it be possible that David
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somehow uploaded himself into Walters body? I mean, really an AI's mind would be nothing but a software package installed within the AI synthetic persons hardware (their body)
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No. You'll realize why when you see it.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Imbrie on May 12, 2017, 11:56:10 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 11:53:04 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 11:11:32 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 12, 2017, 11:03:52 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 10:48:59 AMWhy did Mother

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open colonists' cryosleep quarters for David at the end of the movie? Walter was Covenant's only synthetic not David. No security protocol? She even calls him David but it the final log Walter uses his real name which is a signal for Mother that something's wrong. Confusing.[/spoiler
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I figured he simply accessed Mother by assuming David's personality before entering himself as a valid crewmember.
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I have yet to see the movie but could it be possible that David
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somehow uploaded himself into Walters body? I mean, really an AI's mind would be nothing but a software package installed within the AI synthetic persons hardware (their body)
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No. You'll realize why when you see it.

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It was just a simple switcheroo, right? David performed some sort of command over-ride and MU-TH-UR acknowledged him as David.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: TheBATMAN on May 12, 2017, 11:59:34 AM
The scene where David bombs the Engineers is a personification of what Ridley Scott has just done to the franchise. People were right, it wasn't Engineers down there after all. It was us, and Jim Cameron.

The film itself wasn't bad but the lore fan in me is dead.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 12:37:15 PM
Im starting to think Alien Resurrection it´s better Alien movie than Covenant.

Studio Adi must return please....
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 12, 2017, 12:39:56 PM
Quote from: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 12:37:15 PM
Im starting to think Alien Resurrection it´s better Alien movie than Covenant.

Studio Adi must return please....
Their designs were terrible, to be honest. The practical aliens for Covenant look great, the problem is that they've been painted over with CGI.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 12:45:15 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on May 11, 2017, 10:09:47 PM
Just got back from the IMAX cinema. I'm a bit tired now but i'll write down some of the thought this film inflicted on me, i'm sure there's a lot that i forgot to add. I know i've had a negative attitude towards the film since the first images and clips started to appear but i still didn't believe it would be that far removed from the real Alien films and even Prometheus. So in a way i'm not very upset because it quite easy for me to dismiss it as another non/canon separate fiction a la tha AVP movies. It felt more like a bizarre nightmare that Shaw would see the first night the juggernaut left the LV-223, this is the only possible way i could believe it would take place in the same universe. This is a fairy tale, a fantasy, a genre that i'm also very fond of, but the original movies at least tried to be as realistic as possible (as much as sci-fi space creature feature could be). As i've said before, Alien feels like a documentary next to this.

As a an Alien film i probably hate it, too soon to say. But imaging it being as a non Alien film it's still deeply flawed yet the Fassbenders perfomance makes it interesting in places that certainly is a welcome diversion from the usual Marvel, F&F and other blockbusters.

Here's my ratings for different categories (mostly viewed from a biased fans perspective):

1. Screenplay and story - 3/10

If you thought that the Prometheus characters behaviour was a bit suspect, then multiply it with 2 and you get this. And it's just not Oram, it would take too much time to list all of the problems.
I think the script is also responsible for serious pacing issues, lack of plausibility and other problems, like not being scary at all.
And last but not least there's the controversial revealing of Alien Origins and engineers fate  + Shaw and the changes to the aliens lifecycle. I was open to see if Ridley could sell me these ideas, but you already know the answer. On other hand, when David appeared, the b-movie esque atmosphere was oddly captivating, he did some strange unconvetional things, which i found amusing to witness. That said the creationism etc is right on the nose, all the sublety was flown out of the airlock. It fails both as an Prometheus sequel and Alien prequel.

2. Sound - 7/10 Functional, but nothing stood out as something that would emphasize atmosphere (think the sounds in Nostromo before the crew wakes up). The neomorph sound like clickers from The Last of US.

3. Visuals - 6/10 This is perhaps one of the most generic looking films Ridley has ever made, which was really suprising. Don't get me wrong, it looked good, but nothing stood out as being very memorable or awe inspiring. It doesn't have it's own identity. I liked the practical sets of the spaceship, but the lightning and the camerawork was a bit weak tbh. The creature cgi was inconsistent, sometimes great and sometimes not very good but always there. I just rewatched Chappie and the droid in that looked more believable than the creatures in A:C. So in that regard, i don't think the cgi here is the best the technology could currently offer, it also wasn't terrible. Holding back on the cgi and using practical fx as much as possible would have helped immensly. Neomorphs looked a bit more real then the protomorph. Overall Prometheus is visually much more memorable and expensive looking, although at least A:C didn't have Guy Pearce with that ridiculous makeup.

4. Actors - 7/10  I think the poor characters of the film were not the fault of the actors, they did what they could with the material. Many seem to agree that Fassy is excellent as David. Though i would have certainly changed a few of the actors, for example i didn't like the pair of Jussie Smollet and Callie Hernadez the same way i didn't like Holloway.

5. Music - 4/10 the only music i remember that was there besides the reworked classic Alien music + the main theme of Prometheus, was the sappy piano daytime tv show music during the sadder moments and
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wtf was with the music when the xenomorph bursted, was it supposed to be humorous?
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I would have loved something with the same atmosphere of Sicario and Under the Skin, this just doesn't cut it. Edit: the pulsing music (inspired from Alien again) when the shit really hit the fan was pretty good and fitting.


Overall - as Alien fan this gets a 4/10 from me, as it's own thing id rate it with 6.

You see, it requires certain amount of finesse to make a proper A L I E N film, in that regards the Alien:Covenant failed miserably.

That said, I think Ridley could still pull it off if he has a strong script, The Martian was good. But i also sense that he is not that interested with the creature anymore, or hasn't been for some time. The main themes of this film suggest that he would have rather liked to direct the Blade Runner sequel.

And Hollywood, please stop with the prequel bs! It just doesn't work.

Here's my rankings:

Alien - 9 (used to be 10)
Aliens - 8.8
Alien 3 - 7.5

Alien: Resurrection -6 (I find it enjoyable even if it doesn't compare to the original trilogy but it does have it's moments)
Prometheus - 5 (Mostly for the first half of the movie)
Alien Covenant - 4 (after seen it only once)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 12, 2017, 12:39:56 PM
Quote from: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 12:37:15 PM
Im starting to think Alien Resurrection it´s better Alien movie than Covenant.

Studio Adi must return please....
Their designs were terrible, to be honest. The practical aliens for Covenant look great, the problem is that they've been painted over with CGI.

A really bad CGI and design for this chocolate Alien.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Game_Over_Man on May 12, 2017, 12:50:00 PM
It's not Alien. It's not Aliens. It's flawed....but I loved it for every ounce of batshit crazy it presented.

It's a couple of million dollars short of perfection, but I'll gladly watch this over and over again.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Roberto11 on May 12, 2017, 01:05:19 PM
Saw it last night - my review:

A remake of Alien, shoehorning the Xeno into the film to grab the ££££.

Trying to acknowledge Prometheus, but stop those plot lines dead and move the franchise away from it.

Overall result, an ok film with an overall explanation for the origin of the Alien, that in my opinion makes them far less scary.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 01:08:45 PM
Quote from: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 12:37:15 PM
Im starting to think Alien Resurrection it´s better Alien movie than Covenant.

Studio Adi must return please....

A:R has better editing and pacing, more memorable charactrers, better cinematography, certainly better music and it has it's own identity. The cgi in Covenant has a lot more details, and the creature do more complex stuff, but the movement are as weightless as ever. At least they used lot's of practical effects in A:R. Both are very oddball movies. I remember really liking A:R when i was a kid, saw it like 4 times at the cinemas. Maybe i would have liked A:C too back then.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SiL on May 12, 2017, 01:13:49 PM
Quote from: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 12, 2017, 11:03:52 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 10:48:59 AMWhy did Mother

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open colonists' cryosleep quarters for David at the end of the movie? Walter was Covenant's only synthetic not David. No security protocol? She even calls him David but it the final log Walter uses his real name which is a signal for Mother that something's wrong. Confusing.[/spoiler
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I figured he simply accessed Mother by assuming David's personality before entering himself as a valid crewmember.
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I didn't get that impression. There was serious emphasis put on what David says to MUTHR  'special command override David xxxx' like it was a long established code. Most Likely interp = weyland granted him special executive powers (in aid of the search for a way to prolong weylands life) that have simply been overlooked and not rescinded since the Prometheus mission. Or it is part of a grander, longer term conspiracy we are yet to dwell into
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I thought he said it was a new code for her to register.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Citadel on May 12, 2017, 01:22:05 PM
Having sat on the film for several hours this morning I pretty much feel it's equal to Prometheus but for different reasons. It had what Prometheus lacked, yet it lacked what Prometheus had...

I'm probably more optimistic for my second viewing, but it's very disorientating during first watch.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 01:27:32 PM
I saw twice and the second was worst.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 01:28:07 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 12, 2017, 01:13:49 PM
Quote from: USS-Sulaco on May 12, 2017, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 12, 2017, 11:03:52 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 10:48:59 AMWhy did Mother

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open colonists' cryosleep quarters for David at the end of the movie? Walter was Covenant's only synthetic not David. No security protocol? She even calls him David but it the final log Walter uses his real name which is a signal for Mother that something's wrong. Confusing.[/spoiler
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I figured he simply accessed Mother by assuming David's personality before entering himself as a valid crewmember.
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I didn't get that impression. There was serious emphasis put on what David says to MUTHR  'special command override David xxxx' like it was a long established code. Most Likely interp = weyland granted him special executive powers (in aid of the search for a way to prolong weylands life) that have simply been overlooked and not rescinded since the Prometheus mission. Or it is part of a grander, longer term conspiracy we are yet to dwell into
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I thought he said it was a new code for her to register.

My interp of that was that it was new in its application to that specific ship (but still pre-existing in the greater Weyland sphere). So basically log this code it hasn't been used here yet but it means I'm in charge now and I can do whatever I please with this level of security clearance. And she acknowledged. Could be wrong though. Need to see it again.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Imbrie on May 12, 2017, 01:30:43 PM
I think that is it exactly.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: echobbase79 on May 12, 2017, 01:36:06 PM
It's good to see on here that most fans are either loving it or saying it's good. :)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Citadel on May 12, 2017, 02:25:35 PM
Quote from: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 01:27:32 PM
I saw twice and the second was worst.
Is it more disorientating? I felt I had no time to even breathe with the pacing during first showing, will I have a similar feeling?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darkness on May 12, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
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Well, chaps, I had the pleasure of seeing it last night at the preview. Since joining the online fandom, I am notoriously difficult to please... I hated AvP and Requiem, Predators was average and I didn't like Prometheus all that much. I thought Covenant was absolutely brilliant. I really struggled to find any faults with it. Perhaps because I hated Prometheus so much... well not hate - Prometheus is a well-made movie - but a terrible Alien prequel. Covenant just counters everything I didn't like with Prometheus which is why I think I enjoyed it a lot.

The creature stuff in Covenant is exactly what I wanted from Prometheus. Actual alien life-forms that were a precursor to the Xenomorphs from the Alien series. Not generic-looking crap that had minor characteristics borrowed from the life cycle. The neomorphs were fantastic, so ferocious and deadly. The backburster and introduction of the neomorph sequence will go down as the one of the best scenes I have ever seen in the franchise.  So much tension and terror, the music was phenomenal. As somebody else said, so much gore - I am surprised they got away with so much to say it was a 15.

Now, the Xenomorphs... I know a lot of people have gripes with the life cycle but I don't mind it. The idea here is that they are David's genetic creations - they're not going to be exactly like the ones from the Alien series and I don't think it's ever implied that David is the sole creator of the Xenomorphs. It's just one strand he created through experimentation. I still subscribe to the view that the Engineers created them thousands of years ago as a weapon. Now, the Xenomorph's introduction... Yeah, I would have preferred a chestburster but it's not a dealbreaker that we get a miniature Xeno - afterall, we got something similar in Alien 3. What does piss me off is that the momentous sequence was ruined by David's loopy behaviour - putting his arms in the air and the Xeno doing the same... it seemed absolutely bizarre to me. I guess it's some kind of metaphor to David being the creator of them but it just came across as stupid on screen. The Xenomorphs thesmelves though were great - it was so nice seeing them back on screen. The CGI creatures... I don't mind so much with the Neomorphs but they did rely it on way too much with the Xenomorph. I'm not even sure there was any practical at all going on - some closeups of it kinda looked practical but I'm not sure. It's not a major issue though. The CGI elsewhere was top notch.

The cast... they were all great, never had any issues with any of them. I really need to see it again to digest all the different characters. I thought James Franco was going to have a bigger role than what he did. Felt that was kinda pointless having him in there. Noomi Rapace was another pointless addition - you couldn't even tell it was her in the holograms - I do wonder if they should have had the full prologue of Shaw and David in his flashback sequence. I am glad the Engineers were barely in this - Ridley Scott made the right call there. Get rid of them quickly and don't focus on them like they did in Prometheus. Seeing the flashback and seeing them wearing gowns gathered together... just took away from the mystery of them so good riddance. I actually think Prometheus should have shown the Engineers through just holograms instead of any live Engineers. Fassbender was great as Walter, it was nice seeing their different voices and actions. David, I feel, has just lost it - some of his behaviour in the film is crazy. The whole kissing Walter and Daniels... again just so bizarre. And the ending? Where the heck does the series go from there?

The pacing... as people have said, the film moves at the speed of fright. A two hour film... didn't feel like two hours at all with the amount of action. I do feel it's just part of a much larger arc that we've not seen yet. It's not a big deal, the film could have done with more padding and more exposition. Maybe more time could have been spent getting to know the characters or exploring the planet before they are infected.

So summing up, don't watch this if you're expecting something akin to the Alien trilogy or a story as grande as Prometheus - this isn't what it's about. For me, Scott stripped out most of the mumbo jumbo about philosophy, creation and the Engineers, he upped the gore significantly and he brought back the Xenomorphs with lots of horrific creature action. He tied up some loose ends with the Engineers and brought in a new group of characters. I can forgive the story and the characterisation because the creature stuff was so good. Covenant is what Prometheus should have been. I can't really argue with that. I'll do a full review when the Blu-ray comes out - who knows, maybe when I've had time to digest it on the small screen, my rating may fall slightly. But for now, I'm giving it 9/10.

9/10
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 12, 2017, 02:41:49 PM
So it's a good thing they decided to just write out the engineers in an extremely lazy way...  ::)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Robopadna on May 12, 2017, 02:51:40 PM
Quote from: Darkness on May 12, 2017, 02:35:34 PM

So summing up, don't watch this if you're expecting something akin to the Alien trilogy or a story as grande as Prometheus - this isn't what it's about. For me, Scott stripped out most of the mumbo jumbo about philosophy, creation and the Engineers, he upped the gore significantly and he brought back the Xenomorphs with lots of horrific creature action.
9/10

First, really good review, thank you for giving some real thought to it.  This part really disappoints me though.  I could not care less about the Alien itself after the first movie.  Deaths for carnage's sake are boring and you could just watch saw if that's your thing.

The questions Prometheus brought up (but never once bothered to answer...   or simply forgot they brought them up) were the real hook for me.  I thought we were going to get an interesting/stimulating revitalization of the franchise instead of another bug running around killing people in corridors while they make bad life choices.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Rudiger on May 12, 2017, 02:52:03 PM
Dreadful, just dreadful.

Every single character in the movie deserves to die. Seriously, they are just so dumb. You wouldn't trust this lot to deliver a pizza, never mind 2,000 colonists. One by one, and over and over again, they do dumb stuff for no logical reason other than to get themselves killed. You would have thought that the first death might have triggered some basic sense of self preservation. But oh no, not this lot.

While none of the characters / performances sunk to Logan Marshall-Green levels of bad, there was little to get excited about. Danny McBride brought some much needed charisma, while Billy Crudup and Demián Bichir weren't bad, the rest we just so incredibly bland.

Equally as poor and disappointing as Prometheus, for pretty much the same reasons.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 02:53:48 PM
Quote from: Darkness on May 12, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
Spoilers

Well, chaps, I had the pleasure of seeing it last night at the preview. Since joining the online fandom, I am notoriously difficult to please... I hated AvP and Requiem, Predators was average and I didn't like Prometheus all that much. I thought Covenant was absolutely brilliant. I really struggled to find any faults with it. Perhaps because I hated Prometheus so much... well not hate - Prometheus is a well-made movie - but a terrible Alien prequel. Covenant just counters everything I didn't like with Prometheus which is why I think I enjoyed it a lot.

The creature stuff in Covenant is exactly what I wanted from Prometheus. Actual alien life-forms that were a precursor to the Xenomorphs from the Alien series. Not generic-looking crap that had minor characteristics borrowed from the life cycle. The neomorphs were fantastic, so ferocious and deadly. The backburster and introduction of the neomorph sequence will go down as the one of the best scenes I have ever seen in the franchise.  So much tension and terror, the music was phenomenal. As somebody else said, so much gore - I am surprised they got away with so much to say it was a 15.

Now, the Xenomorphs... I know a lot of people have gripes with the life cycle but I don't mind it. The idea here is that they are David's genetic creations - they're not going to be exactly like the ones from the Alien series and I don't think it's ever implied that David is the sole creator of the Xenomorphs. It's just one strand he created through experimentation. I still subscribe to the view that the Engineers created them thousands of years ago as a weapon. Now, the Xenomorph's introduction... Yeah, I would have preferred a chestburster but it's not a dealbreaker that we get a miniature Xeno - afterall, we got something similar in Alien 3. What does piss me off is that the momentous sequence was ruined by David's loopy behaviour - putting his arms in the air and the Xeno doing the same... it seemed absolutely bizarre to me. I guess it's some kind of metaphor to David being the creator of them but it just came across as stupid on screen. The Xenomorphs thesmelves though were great - it was so nice seeing them back on screen. The CGI creatures... I don't mind so much with the Neomorphs but they did rely it on way too much with the Xenomorph. I'm not even sure there was any practical at all going on - some closeups of it kinda looked practical but I'm not sure. It's not a major issue though. The CGI elsewhere was top notch.

The cast... they were all great, never had any issues with any of them. I really need to see it again to digest all the different characters. I thought James Franco was going to have a bigger role than what he did. Felt that was kinda pointless having him in there. Noomi Rapace was another pointless addition - you couldn't even tell it was her in the holograms - I do wonder if they should have had the full prologue of Shaw and David in his flashback sequence. I am glad the Engineers were barely in this - Ridley Scott made the right call there. Get rid of them quickly and don't focus on them like they did in Prometheus. Seeing the flashback and seeing them wearing gowns gathered together... just took away from the mystery of them so good riddance. I actually think Prometheus should have shown the Engineers through just holograms instead of any live Engineers. Fassbender was great as Walter, it was nice seeing their different voices and actions. David, I feel, has just lost it - some of his behaviour in the film is crazy. The whole kissing Walter and Daniels... again just so bizarre. And the ending? Where the heck does the series go from there?

The pacing... as people have said, the film moves at the speed of fright. A two hour film... didn't feel like two hours at all with the amount of action. I do feel it's just part of a much larger arc that we've not seen yet. It's not a big deal, the film could have done with more padding and more exposition. Maybe more time could have been spent getting to know the characters or exploring the planet before they are infected.

So summing up, don't watch this if you're expecting something akin to the Alien trilogy or a story as grande as Prometheus - this isn't what it's about. For me, Scott stripped out most of the mumbo jumbo about philosophy, creation and the Engineers, he upped the gore significantly and he brought back the Xenomorphs with lots of horrific creature action. He tied up some loose ends with the Engineers and brought in a new group of characters. I can forgive the story and the characterisation because the creature stuff was so good. Covenant is what Prometheus should have been. I can't really argue with that. I'll do a full review when the Blu-ray comes out - who knows, maybe when I've had time to digest it on the small screen, my rating may fall slightly. But for now, I'm giving it 9/10.

9/10

Glad you enjoyed it and I am pretty much in the same camp as you in regards to Prometheus. Very much looking forward to Covenant next week and optimistic that I can look past the faults that some others have found.

One thing...you are the third person I have seen referencing the Xeno bursting from Oram and the hands in the air. In my mind, I am thinking of it in a cheesy way and its completely out of place. Is the Xeno stretching or something and David mimicking it? Or is he just waving his hands like an idiot and the Xeno copying him? I don't really understand the context I suppose. It sounds terrible.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 03:03:48 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 02:53:48 PM
Quote from: Darkness on May 12, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
Spoilers

Well, chaps, I had the pleasure of seeing it last night at the preview. Since joining the online fandom, I am notoriously difficult to please... I hated AvP and Requiem, Predators was average and I didn't like Prometheus all that much. I thought Covenant was absolutely brilliant. I really struggled to find any faults with it. Perhaps because I hated Prometheus so much... well not hate - Prometheus is a well-made movie - but a terrible Alien prequel. Covenant just counters everything I didn't like with Prometheus which is why I think I enjoyed it a lot.

The creature stuff in Covenant is exactly what I wanted from Prometheus. Actual alien life-forms that were a precursor to the Xenomorphs from the Alien series. Not generic-looking crap that had minor characteristics borrowed from the life cycle. The neomorphs were fantastic, so ferocious and deadly. The backburster and introduction of the neomorph sequence will go down as the one of the best scenes I have ever seen in the franchise.  So much tension and terror, the music was phenomenal. As somebody else said, so much gore - I am surprised they got away with so much to say it was a 15.

Now, the Xenomorphs... I know a lot of people have gripes with the life cycle but I don't mind it. The idea here is that they are David's genetic creations - they're not going to be exactly like the ones from the Alien series and I don't think it's ever implied that David is the sole creator of the Xenomorphs. It's just one strand he created through experimentation. I still subscribe to the view that the Engineers created them thousands of years ago as a weapon. Now, the Xenomorph's introduction... Yeah, I would have preferred a chestburster but it's not a dealbreaker that we get a miniature Xeno - afterall, we got something similar in Alien 3. What does piss me off is that the momentous sequence was ruined by David's loopy behaviour - putting his arms in the air and the Xeno doing the same... it seemed absolutely bizarre to me. I guess it's some kind of metaphor to David being the creator of them but it just came across as stupid on screen. The Xenomorphs thesmelves though were great - it was so nice seeing them back on screen. The CGI creatures... I don't mind so much with the Neomorphs but they did rely it on way too much with the Xenomorph. I'm not even sure there was any practical at all going on - some closeups of it kinda looked practical but I'm not sure. It's not a major issue though. The CGI elsewhere was top notch.

The cast... they were all great, never had any issues with any of them. I really need to see it again to digest all the different characters. I thought James Franco was going to have a bigger role than what he did. Felt that was kinda pointless having him in there. Noomi Rapace was another pointless addition - you couldn't even tell it was her in the holograms - I do wonder if they should have had the full prologue of Shaw and David in his flashback sequence. I am glad the Engineers were barely in this - Ridley Scott made the right call there. Get rid of them quickly and don't focus on them like they did in Prometheus. Seeing the flashback and seeing them wearing gowns gathered together... just took away from the mystery of them so good riddance. I actually think Prometheus should have shown the Engineers through just holograms instead of any live Engineers. Fassbender was great as Walter, it was nice seeing their different voices and actions. David, I feel, has just lost it - some of his behaviour in the film is crazy. The whole kissing Walter and Daniels... again just so bizarre. And the ending? Where the heck does the series go from there?

The pacing... as people have said, the film moves at the speed of fright. A two hour film... didn't feel like two hours at all with the amount of action. I do feel it's just part of a much larger arc that we've not seen yet. It's not a big deal, the film could have done with more padding and more exposition. Maybe more time could have been spent getting to know the characters or exploring the planet before they are infected.

So summing up, don't watch this if you're expecting something akin to the Alien trilogy or a story as grande as Prometheus - this isn't what it's about. For me, Scott stripped out most of the mumbo jumbo about philosophy, creation and the Engineers, he upped the gore significantly and he brought back the Xenomorphs with lots of horrific creature action. He tied up some loose ends with the Engineers and brought in a new group of characters. I can forgive the story and the characterisation because the creature stuff was so good. Covenant is what Prometheus should have been. I can't really argue with that. I'll do a full review when the Blu-ray comes out - who knows, maybe when I've had time to digest it on the small screen, my rating may fall slightly. But for now, I'm giving it 9/10.

9/10

Glad you enjoyed it and I am pretty much in the same camp as you in regards to Prometheus. Very much looking forward to Covenant next week and optimistic that I can look past the faults that some others have found.

One thing...you are the third person I have seen referencing the Xeno bursting from Oram and the hands in the air. In my mind, I am thinking of it in a cheesy way and its completely out of place. Is the Xeno stretching or something and David mimicking it? Or is he just waving his hands like an idiot and the Xeno copying him? I don't really understand the context I suppose. It sounds terrible.

Spoiler
i believe David was mimicking, but it looked so daft. The oddly unfitting music was making it much worse and the crowd in the theatre burst out laughing. It really felt like a parody, not kidding. 
[close]
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 03:06:42 PM
A general trend I've noticed so far  -  people that enjoyed Prometheus tend to dislike Covenant. I'm in that boat.



Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 12, 2017, 03:10:38 PM
Quote from: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 03:06:42 PM
A general trend I've noticed so far  -  people that enjoyed Prometheus tend to dislike Covenant. I'm in that boat.
I hope I'm not.  :(

But yeah, I'm afraid I will be. What I've heard so far doesn't sound very encouraging...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 03:03:48 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 02:53:48 PM
Quote from: Darkness on May 12, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
Spoilers

Well, chaps, I had the pleasure of seeing it last night at the preview. Since joining the online fandom, I am notoriously difficult to please... I hated AvP and Requiem, Predators was average and I didn't like Prometheus all that much. I thought Covenant was absolutely brilliant. I really struggled to find any faults with it. Perhaps because I hated Prometheus so much... well not hate - Prometheus is a well-made movie - but a terrible Alien prequel. Covenant just counters everything I didn't like with Prometheus which is why I think I enjoyed it a lot.

The creature stuff in Covenant is exactly what I wanted from Prometheus. Actual alien life-forms that were a precursor to the Xenomorphs from the Alien series. Not generic-looking crap that had minor characteristics borrowed from the life cycle. The neomorphs were fantastic, so ferocious and deadly. The backburster and introduction of the neomorph sequence will go down as the one of the best scenes I have ever seen in the franchise.  So much tension and terror, the music was phenomenal. As somebody else said, so much gore - I am surprised they got away with so much to say it was a 15.

Now, the Xenomorphs... I know a lot of people have gripes with the life cycle but I don't mind it. The idea here is that they are David's genetic creations - they're not going to be exactly like the ones from the Alien series and I don't think it's ever implied that David is the sole creator of the Xenomorphs. It's just one strand he created through experimentation. I still subscribe to the view that the Engineers created them thousands of years ago as a weapon. Now, the Xenomorph's introduction... Yeah, I would have preferred a chestburster but it's not a dealbreaker that we get a miniature Xeno - afterall, we got something similar in Alien 3. What does piss me off is that the momentous sequence was ruined by David's loopy behaviour - putting his arms in the air and the Xeno doing the same... it seemed absolutely bizarre to me. I guess it's some kind of metaphor to David being the creator of them but it just came across as stupid on screen. The Xenomorphs thesmelves though were great - it was so nice seeing them back on screen. The CGI creatures... I don't mind so much with the Neomorphs but they did rely it on way too much with the Xenomorph. I'm not even sure there was any practical at all going on - some closeups of it kinda looked practical but I'm not sure. It's not a major issue though. The CGI elsewhere was top notch.

The cast... they were all great, never had any issues with any of them. I really need to see it again to digest all the different characters. I thought James Franco was going to have a bigger role than what he did. Felt that was kinda pointless having him in there. Noomi Rapace was another pointless addition - you couldn't even tell it was her in the holograms - I do wonder if they should have had the full prologue of Shaw and David in his flashback sequence. I am glad the Engineers were barely in this - Ridley Scott made the right call there. Get rid of them quickly and don't focus on them like they did in Prometheus. Seeing the flashback and seeing them wearing gowns gathered together... just took away from the mystery of them so good riddance. I actually think Prometheus should have shown the Engineers through just holograms instead of any live Engineers. Fassbender was great as Walter, it was nice seeing their different voices and actions. David, I feel, has just lost it - some of his behaviour in the film is crazy. The whole kissing Walter and Daniels... again just so bizarre. And the ending? Where the heck does the series go from there?

The pacing... as people have said, the film moves at the speed of fright. A two hour film... didn't feel like two hours at all with the amount of action. I do feel it's just part of a much larger arc that we've not seen yet. It's not a big deal, the film could have done with more padding and more exposition. Maybe more time could have been spent getting to know the characters or exploring the planet before they are infected.

So summing up, don't watch this if you're expecting something akin to the Alien trilogy or a story as grande as Prometheus - this isn't what it's about. For me, Scott stripped out most of the mumbo jumbo about philosophy, creation and the Engineers, he upped the gore significantly and he brought back the Xenomorphs with lots of horrific creature action. He tied up some loose ends with the Engineers and brought in a new group of characters. I can forgive the story and the characterisation because the creature stuff was so good. Covenant is what Prometheus should have been. I can't really argue with that. I'll do a full review when the Blu-ray comes out - who knows, maybe when I've had time to digest it on the small screen, my rating may fall slightly. But for now, I'm giving it 9/10.

9/10

Glad you enjoyed it and I am pretty much in the same camp as you in regards to Prometheus. Very much looking forward to Covenant next week and optimistic that I can look past the faults that some others have found.

One thing...you are the third person I have seen referencing the Xeno bursting from Oram and the hands in the air. In my mind, I am thinking of it in a cheesy way and its completely out of place. Is the Xeno stretching or something and David mimicking it? Or is he just waving his hands like an idiot and the Xeno copying him? I don't really understand the context I suppose. It sounds terrible.

Spoiler
i believe David was mimicking, but it looked so daft. The oddly unfitting music was making it much worse and the crowd in the theatre burst out laughing. It really felt like a parody, not kidding. 
[close]

About the only positive thing I can extract from this is that it implies David has truly malfunctioned and lost his android mind....Just trying to understand it from the perspective of Ridley Scott.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: salomonj on May 12, 2017, 03:25:32 PM
It's really nice to see mostly positive reactions
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Citadel on May 12, 2017, 03:27:38 PM
Alien is pretty much a perfect film, there's no arguing. But Ridley is not the same director.

The positives in Covenant outweigh the negatives. Same goes for Prometheus. For me, that's enough to merit a very good movie. I know most here are pissed off with the negatives that they can't even find anything positive to redeem the experience for them, which is sad, but that's that. Sure, there's shit in there that's inexcusable, but at least it keeps everyone talking. ;)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 03:55:34 PM
People on my country (thai) complain this movies a lot (mostly story and script)

Nothing wrong,right ?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 12, 2017, 03:27:38 PM
Alien is pretty much a perfect film, there's no arguing. But Ridley is not the same director.

The positives in Covenant outweigh the negatives. Same goes for Prometheus. For me, that's enough to merit a very good movie. I know most here are pissed off with the negatives that they can't even find anything positive to redeem the experience for them, which is sad, but that's that. Sure, there's shit in there that's inexcusable, but at least it keeps everyone talking. ;)


I have heard people mention that Covenant makes Prometheus better. In a similar fashion, do you think its possible for people that Awakening could expand/explain some elements of Covenant to make it better in retrospect?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Look into my eye on May 12, 2017, 04:09:13 PM
Just got back. Loved most if it, couple of gripes with certain bits but I can see why they are there. ( and I liked Prometheus BTW)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 04:13:45 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 12, 2017, 03:27:38 PM
Alien is pretty much a perfect film, there's no arguing. But Ridley is not the same director.

The positives in Covenant outweigh the negatives. Same goes for Prometheus. For me, that's enough to merit a very good movie. I know most here are pissed off with the negatives that they can't even find anything positive to redeem the experience for them, which is sad, but that's that. Sure, there's shit in there that's inexcusable, but at least it keeps everyone talking. ;)


I have heard people mention that Covenant makes Prometheus better. In a similar fashion, do you think its possible for people that Awakening could expand/explain some elements of Covenant to make it better in retrospect?

Probably if the Awakening ends up being a worse film than Covenant. It doesn't make Prometheus any better, but since it's not any better perhaps it makes appreciate Prometheus more than before.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 12, 2017, 04:16:10 PM
Hummm , i think, I didn't see that passage in the film?

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.web.img5.acsta.net%2Fnewsv7%2F16%2F06%2F10%2F11%2F07%2F413261.jpg&hash=8de0bea7116b2f29b5b166d2398114a29df7a94a)
[close]

>:(
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 04:24:36 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 04:13:45 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 12, 2017, 03:27:38 PM
Alien is pretty much a perfect film, there's no arguing. But Ridley is not the same director.

The positives in Covenant outweigh the negatives. Same goes for Prometheus. For me, that's enough to merit a very good movie. I know most here are pissed off with the negatives that they can't even find anything positive to redeem the experience for them, which is sad, but that's that. Sure, there's shit in there that's inexcusable, but at least it keeps everyone talking. ;)



I have heard people mention that Covenant makes Prometheus better. In a similar fashion, do you think its possible for people that Awakening could expand/explain some elements of Covenant to make it better in retrospect?

Probably if the Awakening ends up being a worse film than Covenant. It doesn't make Prometheus any better, but since it's not any better perhaps it makes appreciate Prometheus more than before.


I really do not think that is the intended method of making a prior film better  ;)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Theecatindahat on May 12, 2017, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 12, 2017, 04:16:10 PM
Hummm , i think, I didn't see that passage in the film?

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.web.img5.acsta.net%2Fnewsv7%2F16%2F06%2F10%2F11%2F07%2F413261.jpg&hash=8de0bea7116b2f29b5b166d2398114a29df7a94a)
[close]

>:(

The pic could have been taken during takes. Waterson just having time out.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Росси́я on May 12, 2017, 05:17:19 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 12, 2017, 04:16:10 PM
Hummm , i think, I didn't see that passage in the film?

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.web.img5.acsta.net%2Fnewsv7%2F16%2F06%2F10%2F11%2F07%2F413261.jpg&hash=8de0bea7116b2f29b5b166d2398114a29df7a94a)
[close]

>:(

This was a behind-the-scenes shot, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: AVP-CAPCOM on May 12, 2017, 05:24:24 PM
Nope, no plot discussions no (insert over-used word for etiquette; for people who haven't seen the film yet), no pics. No topics (plenty elsewhere here). Any potential for reveals have been categorised and forewarned in (brackets)

What I will say though this film is, IMO, the best futuristic based ALIEN movie since ALIEN (1979) and ALIENS (1986) and ALIEN-3 (1992).

My rating is this (hear me out)
ALIENS - 5/5 (The film that got me into the franchise. Amazing sci-fi horror mixed with excellent action, great future military design, hardware. Saw it VHS 1992)
ALIEN- 5/5 (Classic, surreal nightmare alien designs. Saw it on VHS 1992)
ALIEN 3- 3/5 (Rating for both Theatrical Cut I saw on a pirated camcorder blank VHS cassette. I was too young for the cinema aged just 10 years old at the time. And the Assembly Cut I caught on DVD 2008)

Prometheus I had high hopes for and I actually really wanted to see Ridley Scott's vision of a Xenomorph free film to the back-drop of a Chariots of the Gods/Ancient Aliens/Astronaut theory re-telling.
I know Scott likes classical history, art and warfare mixed with sci-fi so I anticipated that Prometheus might have told an expanded version of ALIEN (after rumours/backlash that it was a re-make to be Directed by Carl Rinsch) with design concepts that were too expensive to film first time around. Those familiar with a brillaint internet blog "Dissecting the Derelict" with scans of a more expansive ALIEN film 1979 or never repeated interviews with Ridley Scott will know what I'm talking about.
Despite being open minded I'd say Prometheus would be a 3/5 or 4/5 movie (heck maybe close to 5 stars).
Instead it was, IMO, a 1/5 film. Sorry Prometheus nothing to do with my love of Lager Beer or crushing empty beer cans on my forehead inbetween playing ALIENS-ARMAGEDDON Arcade with a novelty M41A Pulse Rifle light-gun.

Well just watched ALIEN-COVENANT and as per the title I feel the franchise has come home.
This movie takes the best design elements of ALIEN3, ALIENS AND ALIEN (along with continuing the Prometheus narrative) and just knocks it out of the park.

This movie was spectacular, inventive and showed great respect to everyone's interpretations of the ALIEN franchises (and that includes the AVP 1 & 2 movies too) whilst being a fresh take in its own right. I actually felt emotional before during and after the movie.
I booked tickets to an arthouse cinema that had a hand-drawn ALIEN-COVENANT chalk art poster done by a local artist.
I sat with a filtered coffee in a near empty cinema (sans 4 other people) with a very comfortable view.
From the opening sequence, titles right through to the ending I was hooked on this film.
Any worries about Ridley Scott $110 million "cheap" budget fear not. This movie is almost AVATAR levels of "wow factor" (minus pretentious LSD visions) and looks like it cost double that to make. Tales of deep space exploration, loneliness, optimism, old organic worlds, using top drawer genetics, hypersleep, colonisation and............you know what else.  ;D
This movie expanded that colonisation mythos we have been waiting for since Hadley Hope in ALIENS. Rather than a CGI backdrop in Prometheus this is now front and centre.

I'd say I was (initially) bummed that Neill Blomkamp ALIEN 5 got canned given how I wanted (ok slight  spoiler)
Spoiler
action with guns, Xenos and scenes akin to previous future installments of ALIEN through to ALIEN 3
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But now we have that in COVENANT an ALIEN 5 would be more than a bonus.

Yes I understand some of the criticism that have stunted some review scores. There is a continuation of the Prometheus mythos and people said (even after Prometheus) "wait wouldn't this affect continuity in its design" or "wouldn't such events leave evidence that Weyland Corp colonists must have found when surveying habitable planets?". Can you imagine the suits the from board enquiry scene in ALIENS with a straight face?
But the reality is this is what made this recent movie feel fresh, exciting and unpredictable we were watching some things we hadn't encountered before, whilst being famaliar with others. I wouldn't say Ridley Scott is meddling too much with this latest release he is pleasing both fans of Prometheus and ALIEN.
I would add during the creative process of expanding the mythos of (major described spoiler)
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prior human intervention in the Xenomorph cycle has an almost ALIEN-RESURRECTION vibe, but this is masterfully done in a very original well acted way
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As for ALIEN 3 fans let me say I applaud Ridley Scott for (mild spoiler)
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making homogeneous references to the unused design concepts from the early drafts of ALIEN 3. These were reported by AVP-GALAXY here 20th March 2017.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-covenant/genetic-memory-influencing-neomorphs/
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Continuing my love of ALIEN 3 it was great to see (major described image spoiler)
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dog like aliens in a cornfield ablaze stalking a monk like figure
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Well I have seen many cinematic ALIEN films during their cinema releases but considering these started with ALIEN-RESURRECTION but ended with ALIENS VS PREDATOR 2- REQUIEM (and more controversely, IMO, Prometheus) Ridley only had to slightly increase the franchise somewhat.
Here its like a fresh new director took the helm determined to bring the franchise kicking and literally screaming back into action.
Well that Director is here and his name is, and always was, Ridley Scott.
Thank you for listening to the fans reaction last-time.

ALIEN- COVENANT......solid 4/5
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: prometheusfire08 on May 12, 2017, 05:29:27 PM
in regards to the comments suggesting incredibly stupid characters .

if only the crew were smart enough to know going out into space gets you infected by a parisite and torn in half ........... 😒😒😒

since WHEN are movie characters above making stupid mistakes ?? yaknow , like real people ...........
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 12, 2017, 05:33:43 PM
Where is the fire coming from? Was that fire there in the film?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on May 12, 2017, 05:49:01 PM
Better, entertainment-wise, than 'Prometheus'. The characters are a lot more relatable and, for the most part, don't do silly things (although, for some reason, loud screams and gunfire don't serve to attract anyone's attention, which was strange), which was a vast improvement.

It's basically what I predicted it would be: Interspersed with crowd-pleasing moments, but more of an inferior emulation of 'Alien'/'Aliens' than an equal to either of them. I put it more or less on a par with 'Alien 3' (which had some better stand-out acting moments, but 'Covenant' doesn't suffer from carbon copy victims and a magically teleporting egg).

For all that, however, it had a weird effect on me, in so far as it felt like it was serving as a bridge between 'Prometheus' and whichever story is coming next, rather than trying to be memorable in its own right. Like a filler episode of your favourite TV series, which happens to feature some nice set pieces, but which still feels like the filler episode it ultimately is. There are actually some intriguing things it reveals or hints at, but it doesn't spend time actually exploring many of them.

It also suffers from one of the major flaws of 'Alien 3': The actual creature is vicious, but is just running around and messily killing people. If you wanted to see something as memorably horrific as Dallas'/Brett's egg transformation sequences or as unsettling as Lambert's demise, it simply isn't here. There was one moment where I thought the latter was about to happen, but either it was edited out or Scott couldn't be bothered to try - which is a shame, because aspects like these were the very things which differentiated the Alien from most other 'movie monsters' out there. I remember an old video interview with Scott, many years ago, where he observed that the creature, "Isn't like a tiger, y'know? It doesn't just eat you..." Which was what made it so different from, say, the shark in 'Jaws'.

With that said, the attacks feel more or less right. They just lack the subversive nature of what made the original creatures so disturbing and iconic.

David 8, man... F**k's sake. :o I don't know what to think about this character. I preferred Walter a lot more. David 8's motivations were as stereotyped as they were illogical, unfortunately. I guess it works for the adventure he's a part of and Fassbender performs it well, but I like David 8 even less than I had in 'Prometheus' and don't understand the character's underlying motivation (which felt like it verged on cartoon-like, at times). It was nice to see some of what was alluded to between Ash and the creature, back in the original 'Alien' novelisation, though. That was a nice inclusion.

As a whole, it entertained me and I liked it as a film. I don't feel it was rushed in the editing process. Just wish that it had taken some time to explore certain things it presented the audience with.

Also, I think I've now solved the costume discrepency. In my report for Alien Day, I mentioned how Conor O'Suillivan, the Creatures Supervisor, had repeatedly mentioned that the main Alien didn't have a suit on set, yet some other reports had referred to one. Looking at the film, all the shots of the main Alien did, indeed, seem completely CGI. However, there was one shot of one of the other creatures which did look like a suit might have been involved. So, I now suspect this is what happened... A suit did exist, but not for the traditional Alien - for one of the other extraterrestrial horrors in the film.

This isn't to say that the Alien CGI was bad. It was decent. But you could instinctively discern it was CGI.

There were also some character moments which I wonder about. We know, for instance, that Sergeant Lope was meant to have been in a same-sex relationship, yet this isn't really alluded to in the film. It seems odd for this to have been alluded to in one of the viral features, yet not the actual film it was meant to be hyping. There was also meant to be a female character who, due to her other half still being in cryosleep, was meant to have a f**k-buddy who was in the security team. Yet, this detail was also nowhere to be found (none I remember of, anyway). And that stuff we kept reading in interviews, where Walter was meant to have trust issues with David 8, because of regarding the latter as dangerously in need of updates and software maintainance? Nowhere - which was a real shame, because I was interested in seeing that being played out in dialogue.

So, while I don't think the editing was too rushed, stuff like this does make me think some character development scenes might have been deleted.

It's either a 6/10 or 7/10. Not quite sure which. Rewatchable, but only up to a point. Serviceable, but didn't properly expand upon its own potential in ways it really needed to.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 12, 2017, 05:56:31 PM
They used suits for the alien. You can see it in the behind the scenes clips.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Uncanny Antman on May 12, 2017, 05:58:56 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 12, 2017, 05:56:31 PM
They used suits for the alien. You can see it in the behind the scenes clips.
Which are almost completely absent from the finished film.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 12, 2017, 05:59:33 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 12, 2017, 05:58:56 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 12, 2017, 05:56:31 PM
They used suits for the alien. You can see it in the behind the scenes clips.
Which are almost completely absent from the finished film.
Well, they painted them over with CGI, so yes.  :(
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Vid on May 12, 2017, 06:00:53 PM
I've just got back from seeing it and I feel traumatised, but not in the way I might have hoped. When I was reading people on here and elsewhere hating on it, I just thought that they were expecting too much and would never be happy etc. I really like Prometheus, so thought if covenant is like that but with aliens there is no way I will not like it if not love it. To paraphrase dr. Shaw, I was wrong, I was so wrong.
I cannot believe I am saying this but there was almost nothing to like in there, maybe I am over reacting having just come out but I just don't even know where to begin...
Firstly, I am not even too bothered about many of the things people are generally not liking, such as changes to the lore, pace of the film and so on. I don't think I would have ever guessed it was even a Ridley Scott film. People saying the characters are good, we never learn anything about any of them so we can root for them or even want to see them die, they were just faceless, superfluous fodder. I am also usually ok with cgi and can accept it if it's not too bad but most of it here was shockingly bad, jarring at points, more like a video game. Even Fassbender who I loved in Prometheus is terrible. In Prometheus he was much more nuanced, in this he comes over really hammy like a second rate hammer horror Frankenstein with some of the cheesiest dialogue I couldn't believe I was hearing. Some things I could barely believe what I was seeing, Kung fu robots? A part of me died as I watched. Xenomorph birth? Throw your hands in the air and wave em like you just don't care, I thought I was high. I can forgive some things but there were so many cringe worthy moments in it, typing this I still can't believe it, I've probably been rambling on and haven't read this post back so it probably makes no sense, much like covenant. I could seriously go on and on, maybe I'm just in shock, but I can't ever remember being this disappointed in a film, even though I went in keeping my expectations in check. I need to see it again in the vain hope I've made a terrible mistake, but I would say it is almost straight up garbage. I thought the guy who rated it under resurrection must need his head testing but he might be the sanest of all of us. I need a lie down.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Beardomorph on May 12, 2017, 06:09:59 PM
Quote from: Vid on May 12, 2017, 06:00:53 PMEven Fassbender who I loved in Prometheus is terrible.

::)

You might want to sleep on it  ;D
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Vid on May 12, 2017, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: Beardomorph on May 12, 2017, 06:09:59 PM
Quote from: Vid on May 12, 2017, 06:00:53 PMEven Fassbender who I loved in Prometheus is terrible.

::)

You might want to sleep on it  ;D

Seriously, I thought he was awesome in Prometheus but did you not think he was just OTT and cheesy in this? Reall cringe worthy and hammy, perhaps it was just the dialogue, but some of the lines...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: Vid on May 12, 2017, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: Beardomorph on May 12, 2017, 06:09:59 PM
Quote from: Vid on May 12, 2017, 06:00:53 PMEven Fassbender who I loved in Prometheus is terrible.

::)

You might want to sleep on it  ;D



Seriously, I thought he was awesome in Prometheus but did you not think he was just OTT and cheesy in this? Reall cringe worthy and hammy, perhaps it was just the dialogue, but some of the lines...


Even reviewers destroying the film with their assessments are praising Michael Fassbender's performance in Covenant. This might be one of those cases where its just you. Nothing wrong with that either. We all have our preferences. But I would not make a blanket statement that Fassbender is terrible in this film.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Vid on May 12, 2017, 06:34:45 PM
I'm aware it might be a knee jerk reaction as I am shocked at myself for how I felt about it. I'll have to see it again I guess but on the one viewing I found his performance to be more subtle and insidious in Prometheus, it just felt too comic book caricature here. I truly hope I've got it all wrong and when I see it again I change my mind, but even if I suddenly think it's an Oscar winning bravura performance, I still don't think it would be anywhere near enough to elevate the rest. I hate myself for feeling this way about it!  :(
Quote from: cucuchu
link=topic=57277.msg2212361#msg2212361 date=1494613351

Quote from: Vid on May 12, 2017, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: Beardomorph on May 12, 2017, 06:09:59 PM
Quote from: Vid on May 12, 2017, 06:00:53 PMEven Fassbender who I loved in Prometheus is terrible.

::)

You might want to sleep on it  ;D



Seriously, I thought he was awesome in Prometheus but did you not think he was just OTT and cheesy in this? Reall cringe worthy and hammy, perhaps it was just the dialogue, but some of the lines...


Even reviewers destroying the film with their assessments are praising Michael Fassbender's performance in Covenant. This might be one of those cases where its just you. Nothing wrong with that either. We all have our preferences. But I would not make a blanket statement that Fassbender is terrible in this film.


See, I even put the quote the wrong way around. My head is shot!  :-\
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Vid on May 12, 2017, 06:00:53 PM
Even Fassbender who I loved in Prometheus is terrible. In Prometheus he was much more nuanced, in this he comes over really hammy like a second rate hammer horror Frankenstein with some of the cheesiest dialogue I couldn't believe I was hearing. Some things I could barely believe what I was seeing, I thought I was high.

This.

Although i really liked Fassbenders perfomance and he was the most memorable thing in the whole movie, he was very different from Prometheus as soon as they landed on the planet. As if Fassbender knew the dialogue written for him was so hammy and right on the nose so he embraced it with style and genuine fun. I think many other actors could not pull it off as well as he did. But not in a million years the character of David could be called  realistic in any way. It did remind me so of the mad scientist in a number of 50s and early 70s sci-fi, the sets surrounding him added to the b-movie feel (while also reminding me of AvP 1, could be wrong). And like you i thought i was on drugs or something, but in the end i think this film works far better as a fantasy film than serious sci-fi. And for that reason im not bothered anymore about the alien origin thing and another inconsistensies, it's rather easy to dismiss it as a spin-off that takes place in another universe.
I wrote here ages ago that i will be very surprised if it tops even A:R, i really really wanted to be surprised.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Look into my eye on May 12, 2017, 07:00:42 PM
Honestly, I really don't get the Fassbender knocking. He was one of the best things about the movie, again, as both Walter and David.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Vid on May 12, 2017, 07:12:16 PM
I can't really describe it, maybe as reecebomb said its more like fantasy. I know it's not supposed to be like a documentary, but the tone in some parts just seemed all wrong. Even though it's a Sci fi/horror film and some suspension of disbelief is required, the tone of the other films barring resurrection and the avp films (if you count them, I don't really) is that they are tonally serious whereas some of covenant came across as almost parody. I'm probably showing my puerile side but even the flute moment and the 'I'll do the fingering' was like a carry on film!  just seemed really clunky and awkward. Walter literally points out David is losing his marbles and it really is like an OTT mad scientist. I love those type films as well but it just didn't seem to sit well for me in the context of an alien film. At least this alien film.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 07:19:16 PM
Quote from: Vid on May 12, 2017, 07:12:16 PM
I can't really describe it, maybe as reecebomb said its more like fantasy. I know it's not supposed to be like a documentary, but the tone in some parts just seemed all wrong. Even though it's a Sci fi/horror film and some suspension of disbelief is required, the tone of the other films barring resurrection and the avp films (if you count them, I don't really) is that they are tonally serious whereas some of covenant came across as almost parody. I'm probably showing my puerile side but even the flute moment and the 'I'll do the fingering' was like a carry on film!  just seemed really clunky and awkward. Walter literally points out David is losing his marbles and it really is like an OTT mad scientist. I love those type films as well but it just didn't seem to sit well for me in the context of an alien film. At least this alien film.

Even next to Prometheus, Alien felt like a documentary, this one is even deeper in the fantasy realm. I can acknowledge it being Shaw's nightmare on the way to Paradise. As a separate thing, or a strange best of remix of all Alien films, it's oddly fascinating mess. I was certain that i won't see it twice right after i walked out of the cinema, but after sleeping on it i kinda want to see it again.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on May 12, 2017, 07:28:19 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 12, 2017, 05:56:31 PM
They used suits for the alien. You can see it in the behind the scenes clips.

I've seen an animatronic upper half (the thing with arms too thin for anyone to wear), but no suit. If one ever existed, it was completely replaced.

O'Sullivan was very adamant that the most they had on set were 3D-printed sections, with those mostly used to gauge lighting for total CGI replacement, anyway.

There was the impressive-sounding puppet rig, but they apaprently didn't have enough time to both design and construct it. I'm guessing this is why certain scenes which should have used a practical suit (like walking around) were ultimately all CGI.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: zoidy on May 12, 2017, 07:34:40 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 12, 2017, 07:28:19 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 12, 2017, 05:56:31 PM
They used suits for the alien. You can see it in the behind the scenes clips.

I've seen an animatronic upper half (the thing with arms too thin for anyone to wear), but no suit. If one ever existed, it was completely replaced.

O'Sullivan was very adamant that the most they had on set were 3D-printed sections, with those mostly used to gauge lighting for total CGI replacement, anyway.

There was the impressive-sounding puppet rig, but they apaprently didn't have enough time to both design and construct it. I'm guessing this is why certain scenes which should have used a practical suit (like walking around) were ultimately all CGI.

The problem with that is the HBO doc shows it being filmed (from this site's screen grabs):

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/HBO-Covenant-BTS-46-100x100.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/HBO-Covenant-BTS-48-100x100.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/HBO-Covenant-BTS-49-100x100.jpg)

Full size versions:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2017/05/11/watch-alien-covenant-hbo-first-look/
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 07:44:21 PM
I know i'm being mr obvious here but the real reason the movie wasn't on par with the classics was due to poor writing and the poor writing resulted in poor editing. I believe Ridley could still do it if he had a half decent script. The Martian was quite good indeed unlike Prometheus. I don't blame Ridley, if he had equally strong writers the film could have been great. I sensed a lack of passion from him, even the visuals were not up to the standard of Ridleys previous work. But who could possibly make a bad script like this work, it was hopeless imo. Even the idea of
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David inventing the xenomorph
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could have been sold much better, i wasn't 100% against it prior seeing the film.
However i do blame the writers, who gave cause for concern at the moment the production started. And it has been very apparent over the years that bad writing + Ridley just doesn't work.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 12, 2017, 07:49:50 PM
Quote from: Theecatindahat on May 12, 2017, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: Stolen on May 12, 2017, 04:16:10 PM
Hummm , i think, I didn't see that passage in the film?

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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.web.img5.acsta.net%2Fnewsv7%2F16%2F06%2F10%2F11%2F07%2F413261.jpg&hash=8de0bea7116b2f29b5b166d2398114a29df7a94a)
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>:(

The pic could have been taken during takes. Waterson just having time out.

Maybe but there seems to be fire in the ship, the corridor is ransacked, isn't strange?
Maybe a big chase scene in the corridors?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Citadel on May 12, 2017, 07:51:11 PM
I reckon the pacing issues and the CG also contribute.

A question: who thinks Covenant's script did it better than Prometheus?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 12, 2017, 07:55:12 PM
I don't find the scenario bad, full of good things and good ideas.
The execution leaves much to be desired, the first part is too soft and the last
botched!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 08:02:14 PM
Quote from: Citadel on May 12, 2017, 07:51:11 PM
I reckon the pacing issues and the CG also contribute.

A question: who thinks Covenant's script did it better than Prometheus?

Both scripts had great premises. Prometheus expedition with the never before seen engineer (alive that is) could have been legendary. And Covenant could have worked way better if it didn't have aliens in it. Both scripts were very cluttered with unplausible turn of events, hammy dialogue and overall strange choices. It's pretty depressing to think about what these movies could have been. I blame the writers. They either were overthinking it or weren't thinking at all.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: MightyViper on May 12, 2017, 08:13:34 PM
Long time lurker first time poster. Mainly wanted to post because I see a lot of fan reviews that say it's too much Prometheus or not enough Prometheus or that it spoils the Alien mythos, but what I really could have used before I went to see it was a review that specifically highlights how it works where Prometheus fails. So for you people who were desperate to know, as I was, here it is.

I enjoyed a number of things about Prometheus. David is a great character. A lot of it looks gorgeous. There are some interesting ideas. I didn't even mind that the xenos were absent, or that the scientists did stupid things. Alien is full of people doing stupid things.

No, my issue with Prometheus is that it's incredibly poorly structured, and the cast are almost uniformly terrible.

Things happen, but they have no real consequences. They don't follow through to a logical, imaginative end. Charlie is infected, but his infection never goes anywhere. He just looks mottled and then gets flamethrower-ed. Same with Fifield. He simply turns up, as if the writers realised they had to have a scary moment, kills a few people we've never seen before, then gets crushed. And an almost identical action structure happens at the end. The threat is announced (David says the engineer is coming), the threat arrives, the threat is removed in one simple stroke.

It's incredibly bad horror/action/thriller writing.

Covenant is just not on that same level. Nowhere close. It's like comparing a broken moped and a perfectly functioning Ferrari. You might not like the Ferrari. You might actually hate Ferraris! And that's totally cool and understandable. But still the fact remains that one is broken and the other isn't. Covenant isn't broken. Everything in it works, to lesser or greater degrees. Things progress logically. All of the potential of events actually pay off - some only satisfactorily, some spectacularly.

This film is 100% the work of a scriptwriter who knew what they were doing, and a director who mostly understood where he'd gone wrong with Prometheus.

And the same goes for the cast. It's absolutely true that we could use more of them. You don't get to know everyone very well. BUT...everyone is amazing compared to the Prometheus cast. They sell twice as much in half the time. Honestly, I felt more for Tennessee in one two second scene than I did for literally everyone in Prometheus. These characters are brought to life. They're not just going through the motions.

I think it says a lot that I did not give a single fig that
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Shaw was killed off screen, but desperately do not want Daniels and Tennessee to be dead if there's a next one due to David's machinations.
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Covenant isn't a perfect film by any means. I understand completely why some don't like it. But it is a very well done film, with characters you can enjoy and root for. And tbh, I loved it for that alone. To just have an Alien movie that has been thought through on that level, to get to see a film like that in the cinema at last...it was a joy to me in the same way that Prometheus was devastating. It's not bogged down with nonsense, it's not full of shoehorned ideas from some director or writer who thinks they know better.

It's a proper Alien movie for people who've been waiting for one since Aliens. Or at least, it's as close to that as anything has gotten since.

My order, for reference:

Aliens
Alien
Covenant
Alien 3
Resurrection
Prometheus (I would put Prometheus higher if it didn't have the construction issues I highlighted. I pretty much despise 3/4 but acknowledge that they hang together much better and are largely better acted).




Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 08:14:35 PM
That´s from the viral clip with Daniels like Ripley. You can see the fire:



There are other moments, like the scream of Rosenthal and Alien running on the corridor that were not in the final film. Maybe there is a different final for the film with all that from the Daniels clip.

Sad, so sad with this terrible movie.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Xenomorphine on May 12, 2017, 08:24:32 PM
Quote from: MightyViper on May 12, 2017, 08:13:34 PM
Things happen, but they have no real consequences. They don't follow through to a logical, imaginative end. Charlie is infected, but his infection never goes anywhere. He just looks mottled and then gets flamethrower-ed. Same with Fifield. He simply turns up, as if the writers realised they had to have a scary moment, kills a few people we've never seen before, then gets crushed. And an almost identical action structure happens at the end. The threat is announced (David says the engineer is coming), the threat arrives, the threat is removed in one simple stroke.

Consequences are part of why 'Alien' worked as well as it did. Each loss had a visceral feeling of aftermath (including Kane, who had a funeral, even if many viewers don't remember it happening). After Brett is abducted, we're immediately greeted with Parker, this big bear of a dude, just staring ahead of him in disbelief as he struggles to articulate the gravity of what he'd just witnessed from afar.

Even for Dallas, as fast as his passing was, we're left in those next crucial seconds, post-jump-scare, with that haunting screech of electric static as Lambert begins emotionally falling apart.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 08:30:38 PM
I think the problem, with the poor script, it´s that they did a rushed production and fast release.

Ridley works fast, he doesn´t take the necesary time for his movies.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: yarko on May 12, 2017, 08:34:02 PM
I've just seen it as well... And I'm going to have to watch it a couple of times more before I have a definite opinion. It was rather different to what I had in mind. This is not really a movie about the Alien, nor the Alien is the 'bad guy'. It is all about David, and the alien is a secondary subplot and removing him from the script and making it just prometheus 2 wouldn't have changed the movie that much. But David's character was very interesting, everything that surrounded him is disturbing, the whole movie has a 'something is very wrong with this situation' feel to it, uneasy and dark. David's workshop was one of the most interesting set pieces of recent times, and I really think they should have made a VR experience out of that instead of the in utero thing. I really wanted to inspect all those drawings, all the props, everything. There was a lot of hidden Giger references in there, which I would have liked to be more prominent.

I loved the creatures, both old and new, but I would have liked to see more of the original Alien, specially more suspense and a slower pace on its scenes (it's true that the third act feels too rushed, I just wanted them to calm down and take their time to create tension). Some of the scenes were really magistral (loved all the chest-back-neck-bursters) and while you can nottice everything is CGI, it is not BAD CGI by any means. Really detailed and photorealistic CGI, there is just some uncanny valley with the movement I guess.

Not the movie I was expecting, but it definitely brings some new ideas to the Alien universe that I will have to digest before fully embracing it.

The ending is killer, it might be one of the best endings of the whole saga... far from the typical happy ending. It's kind of a cliffhanger (you can really see they have another sequel in mind) but I also feel that whatever you imagine that happens after will be more epic that what they might actually end up filming, so we¡ll see what happens in that regard.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 08:38:36 PM
Quote from: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 08:30:38 PM
I think the problem, with the poor script, it´s that they did a rushed production and fast release.

Ridley works fast, he doesn´t take the necesary time for his movies.

This too, but i'm not sure if it would have made the movie better. Perhaps better visuals and cgi with more dynamic editing suffered from this.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 12, 2017, 08:50:08 PM
Quote from: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 08:14:35 PM
That´s from the viral clip with Daniels like Ripley. You can see the fire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOV86D0wTaU

Thank you ! Strange because some shots are superb (0: 44sec)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: MightyViper on May 12, 2017, 08:55:17 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 12, 2017, 08:24:32 PM
Quote from: MightyViper on May 12, 2017, 08:13:34 PM
Things happen, but they have no real consequences. They don't follow through to a logical, imaginative end. Charlie is infected, but his infection never goes anywhere. He just looks mottled and then gets flamethrower-ed. Same with Fifield. He simply turns up, as if the writers realised they had to have a scary moment, kills a few people we've never seen before, then gets crushed. And an almost identical action structure happens at the end. The threat is announced (David says the engineer is coming), the threat arrives, the threat is removed in one simple stroke.

Consequences are part of why 'Alien' worked as well as it did. Each loss had a visceral feeling of aftermath (including Kane, who had a funeral, even if many viewers don't remember it happening). After Brett is abducted, we're immediately greeted with Parker, this big bear of a dude, just staring ahead of him in disbelief as he struggles to articulate the gravity of what he'd just witnessed from afar.

Even for Dallas, as fast as his passing was, we're left in those next crucial seconds, post-jump-scare, with that haunting screech of electric static as Lambert begins emotionally falling apart.

I would completely agree with this. But it's not just the consequences to the characters and how other characters react that's an improvement over Prometheus. It's the consequences in terms of an action leading to a pay off. Both Alien and Aliens are stuffed to the gills with extremely satisfying, imaginative pay offs. Covenant doesn't have quite as many, but they're definitely present in a way they just weren't in Prometheus.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Jonesy1974 on May 12, 2017, 09:07:45 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 12, 2017, 08:24:32 PM
Quote from: MightyViper on May 12, 2017, 08:13:34 PM
Things happen, but they have no real consequences. They don't follow through to a logical, imaginative end. Charlie is infected, but his infection never goes anywhere. He just looks mottled and then gets flamethrower-ed. Same with Fifield. He simply turns up, as if the writers realised they had to have a scary moment, kills a few people we've never seen before, then gets crushed. And an almost identical action structure happens at the end. The threat is announced (David says the engineer is coming), the threat arrives, the threat is removed in one simple stroke.

Consequences are part of why 'Alien' worked as well as it did. Each loss had a visceral feeling of aftermath (including Kane, who had a funeral, even if many viewers don't remember it happening). After Brett is abducted, we're immediately greeted with Parker, this big bear of a dude, just staring ahead of him in disbelief as he struggles to articulate the gravity of what he'd just witnessed from afar.

Even for Dallas, as fast as his passing was, we're left in those next crucial seconds, post-jump-scare, with that haunting screech of electric static as Lambert begins emotionally falling apart.

Spot on, I love those moments in Alien. They carry so much weight and that's all too rare in this kind of film.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 09:25:51 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 08:38:36 PM
Quote from: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 08:30:38 PM
I think the problem, with the poor script, it´s that they did a rushed production and fast release.

Ridley works fast, he doesn´t take the necesary time for his movies.

This too, but i'm not sure if it would have made the movie better. Perhaps better visuals and cgi with more dynamic editing suffered from this.

I am looking forward to seeing the movie myself cause I am hearing so many conflicting reports about CGI. People saying its full CGI, others saying practical with digital overlay, some say it's done very well, others say its completely jarring and AvP bad. This goes for almost everything about the film actually. Even official reviews are all over the place. Its got me intrigued at the very least!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Nightlord on May 12, 2017, 09:37:58 PM
More enjoyable than Prometheus, but the direction taken with David is more disappointing than the Space Jockey is a giant human reveal.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Rudiger on May 12, 2017, 09:48:09 PM
The CGI was definitely sub standard in places. The face huggers were great though.

What I really struggled with was the cliche ridden plot. It was like a greatest hits of 80s slasher movies in the way that characters surrounded by death and destruction continued to do really dumb things in order to get themselves killed.

This was further hampered by the film's internal logic falling down. Just because the audience understands why people are suddenly spouting deadly little creatures, there is no logic in the characters just ignoring what's happening to them.

Then there are the gapping great big plot holes, just like in Prometheus, with the same lack of answers.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: dumbass_colonist on May 12, 2017, 09:48:23 PM
Wow I was not expecting Covenant to be as bad as it was. Wonderfully terrible! I can't quite believe that the guy that made Alien made this too. What the f**k happened??
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 09:53:06 PM
Quote from: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 08:30:38 PM
I think the problem, with the poor script, it´s that they did a rushed production and fast release.

Ridley works fast, he doesn´t take the necesary time for his movies.

Funny you say that. During an interview posted today, he was talking about how he likes to move quickly to keep the energy alive. Maybe not for something like this in the future...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: T Dog on May 12, 2017, 10:24:29 PM
Just saw it. Super hokey creature cgi. Pretty goofy movie. I had zero expectations and it was entertaining but very forgettable. David is an evil f**k though.....interesting character.

Yeah so this series started on the wrong foot when they f**ked with the majesty and mystery and aesthetic of the space jockey. Mistakes just as detrimental to the series were made here too.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HutzDani on May 12, 2017, 10:42:19 PM
Just back from the movie. . .

Could have been better ALOT better !

Predictable / Recycled / Poor Alien CGI / Cliche / 70% disposable Crew with little bearing on the story as a whole or even enough time onscreen for meaningful dialogue to happen to make you care for them.

Left us not even hanging but a lack luster predictable ending, with no reason to go see the next because it tells you what the bulk of the plot will be before its even going to start.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Alien Grand Master on May 12, 2017, 11:06:45 PM
I think pacing was due to editing, there are probably a few deleted scenes from the second and third act.  Story wise the writing I felt was done well.  The characters while most of them aren't properly introduced in the movie are still compelling enough.  Although the androids completely steal the show, David seemingly more human than the humans (might be intentional.)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 12, 2017, 11:06:55 PM
Hi everyone,

I'm a life-long diehard Alien lunatic and this is the first time I'm posting something here even though I've frequently visited this site when Prometheus was still in pre-production. I just love the debates here and how committed you people are towards your favourite franchises.
I just wanted to give you all my two cents for Alien: Covenant since I keep blabbering about it at home and my family is getting fed up with it. I'll try to avoid spoilers for those of you who haven't seen it yet.

First off, I cannot stress enough how pleased I am with Alien: Covenant! I saw it yesterday and left the theatre feeling quite positive overall, even though I still had some doubts.
Now that I slept on it I can put my hand on my heart and say that this imho is the best movie since Alien 3.
And That's saying a lot when you consider how much this franchise has veered off course during the past decade.

Before I get to the actual review I first want to say some things about Prometheus and why I didn't like it...at all.
I have never in my life looked forward so much to seeing a movie  as I did with Prometheus. The countdown during the last few months before release seemed like years.
I took my entire family (well, the ones who actually wanted to see it) to the local cinema and when the credits eventually rolled I felt totally underwhelmed and frustrated.
Never, not even in my wildest dreams, would I have thought that it could have turned out the way it did. The premise about the untold story of the Space Jockey and expansion of the mythos sent shivers down my spine.
But I was blinded by the hype and honestly believed that this movie couldn't fail no matter what. I was so wrong...

Even though Prometheus looked terrific, it just couldn't be saved because the characters did the most retarded things ever and it was constant and non-stop (eg. trying to pet an alien snake even though it hissed violently, getting drunk after making
the most important discovery in the history of mankind, crew members having sex when others are stranded in the temple, crew members that have zero f**ks to give when a person walks in the room all covered in blood, helmet bongs etc.)
This movie was so full of itself and tackled such a variety of big ideas and important questions but answered none! All this and the fact that the Space Jockey in all his epicness was reduced to a bald smurf on steroids made me dislike and even hate it. It was so full of promise but missed all the important marks such as good story-telling, emotional characters we can relate to and worst of all: the connection to the
source material was superficial and felt like it was shoe-horned in. It clearly wanted to distantiate itself from 'the simple' Alien and be the better, more grandiose and thought-provoking film. Most of the Alien-fanbase raged and rightfully so!
I believe it wasn't because the movie lacked xenomorphs, but because the movie felt disjointed and rushed. The plot was all over the place
and wasn't going anywhere. Afterwards I wasn't surprised at all with a writer like Lindeloff on board. It seemed like Ridley and co didn't even have a finished script when the movie was halfway post-production.

With Alien: Covenant Scott played it safe but even though this is kind of true, he still pulled out all the stops and went straight for the jugular. This is without doubt the most brutal and savage Alien-film so far imo.
But before I get into why, I want to get the obvious things out of the way.


I'll start with the visuals and the score. Ridley stated once that he 'comes from the visual side of things' and credit must be given where it's due. AC looks stunning and is jaw-droppingly beautiful to say the least.The art-direction is spot on and something to admire. A lot of other directors can learn a thing or two from the man. The covenant ship looks very real and it's amazing what a director can achieve with a good combination of practical sets and cgi. Likewise, the planet the crew lands on is lush and vibrant and just breathes atmosphere.
It's a welcome change to the overall greyish tone of the barren rocks in the previous movies. So when it comes to visuals, Scott has earned his stripes once again. Every frame looks like a painting and everything is exactly where it needs to be. Imo this movie is a prime candidate for the oscar for 'best cinematography'.
I also think they did a fantastic job with the music and sound effects. I caught myself multiple times grinning at the screen feeling extremely satisfied. It's like an updated/reinvented version of the original scrore from Alien and it just filled me with nostalgia.
In summary, your eyes and ears will be in for a real treat if you're going to watch it.

As for the story and characters I'll be brief. Unlike Prometheus, Covenant's story is pretty simple and straight-forward and
it's not ashamed about it nor tries to hide what it essentially is: more of the same. You can easily sum it up in one sentence: People land on an alien planet where they all die. Period. But don't be fooled into thinking this is another dumb B-flick.
There are several intriguing scenes and thought-provoking dialogue scattered throughout the film. Especially the prologue is brilliant and a masterpiece.The first hour of this film is executed almost perfectly.

The movie slowly builds up so we get to spend some time with the characters and learn what their motivations and emotions are.
I believe this is crucial to making a good horror film so we actually care when one of the them meets his/her demise.
But when they eventually land, Scott doesn't waste any time and everything goes wrong very quickly.
When the crew finally gets to the engineer temple, I admit things get a little awkward at times but it's not like you will cringe in your seat. Some of the character's decisions are questionable, yes, but Ridley needs to move the plot along wherever he can, so all can be forgiven imo.
Sure the story has some minor flaws but hell, nearly all movies suffer in that department nowadays. In Covenant they are easily overlooked. Alas, those looking for answers to the questions raised in Prometheus, I have to disappoint. You won't find any of them here
or very few. At best we get a pretty solid explanation from David what the black goo actually is, but other than that, don't count on getting your answers. It'll be for the next movie...maybe.
Oh btw...spoiler-alert! Fassbender steals the show. Didn't see that one coming huh. lol

Now, on to the reason why I desperately wanted to see this movie. What about the creatures? The aliens? Did Ridley deliver? Short answer: hell yes! Being the most modern episode in the franchise with a veteran director at the helm, Covenant shows us the most frightening
and realistic Xenomorphs/neomorphs yet. The Alien stands up proudly in this film and looks more humanoid than ever. Ridley obviously wanted to avoid the cliche of Covenant being another mere bug hunt and imo he pulled it off.
The aliens portrayed in this movie are vicious and from the minute they are born, their purpose in life is to kill you ASAP without being even remotely sorry. They will stop at nothing and are not afraid to attack groups of enemies.
Scott has made of it a terrifying creature again, so to all who say that the beast is cooked, I choose to think otherwise. Also, because we already know what it looks like, Ridley shows it to us in all it's glory. Furthermore, the death-scenes look agonizing and gruesome. Honest to God, the backburster-scene is easily just as good or even surpasses the scene with John Hurt.
Also, because the victim for once isn't wearing any shirt ( I believe this is the first time ever for any Alien film) you can see the guy's muscles tear and bones break and what not. Gallons of blood are spilled and even though most of it was cgi, it was executed so perfectly that it felt more real than ever. It was truly shocking and disturbing to watch, exactly what I craved for in the past...10 years?
The mouthburster was cool as well, but the lighting was much darker so it was more difficult to see clearly.
I have to say: some creature designs were a bold choice, as others have stated.
But apart from that specific, almost comical scene (you'll know what I'm talking about when you go see it), there's very little to complain about.

That's pretty much all I wanted to say, so I hope I didn't bore you guys to death and you had fun reading this (lenghty) review. To sum it all up:
Alien: Covenant feels more like a remake of the original film than anything else, but at least it's a very good and solid one. To all Alien-fans out there I can say this:
Scott has finally given us what we had to miss for too long: A GOOD ALIEN-FILM! An updated/crisp take on the original and to be honest,
if Alien (1979) didn't exist and Covenant would tie into it better, this would without a doubt be the best episode in the series.
If I had to award it points, i'd give it 8.5 or 9/10. I will definitely go see it a second time and buy the blu-ray the moment it's released.

Sir Ridley Scott, you have restored my faith in you as a filmmaker and I hope you can keep up the excellent work.
















Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ingwar on May 12, 2017, 11:11:33 PM
Quote from: John Doe on May 12, 2017, 08:30:38 PM
I think the problem, with the poor script, it´s that they did a rushed production and fast release.

Ridley works fast, he doesn´t take the necesary time for his movies.

That's the issue. When you rush you make mistakes.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 12, 2017, 11:25:54 PM
Going to see it Sunday. Really disappointed what am reading. Could tell the cgi was average  from the trailer. But still gonna give them my money 😂

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 11:43:35 PM
Quote from: DorkiDori on May 12, 2017, 11:10:05 PM
the title of this thread NEEDS to be changed! the US still hasnt had the movie released yet to the public! header is EXTREMELY spoilerish!

How would you change it?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: KikReask on May 12, 2017, 11:46:57 PM
It was fun, but overall just okay. I hope the mixed opinion this film has doesn't delay or outright stop the sequels Scott wants to make because there's still a lot of untapped potential. Maybe my opinion will change over time.

In short for the moment, pros: David was amazing, the Xenomorphs look beautiful and I loved the violence. The ending was especially terrifying, this tops Alien 3 in terms of being the darkest film in the series.

Cons: The charactization wasn't great unfortunately, why am I rooting for the Xenomorph? It's not scary if the cast isn't developed that well and I'm just waiting for some of them to die. The plot feels thin like this is just a teaser for later films. Why did they kill off
Spoiler
Shaw?
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Did the actress not want to be in anymore films? I guess we need to wait longer to get those answers we asked after Prometheus. The pacing felt a bit off too.

Overall it felt like a by the numbers reboot of Alien, even though Prometheus sort of did that last time. I love the direction they're going with David, but these films need new ideas on what to do with the Xenomorphs and better characters.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: T Dog on May 12, 2017, 11:47:48 PM
Quote from: Cereal Killer on May 12, 2017, 11:25:54 PM
Going to see it Sunday. Really disappointed what am reading. Could tell the cgi was average  from the trailer. But still gonna give them my money 😂
The bastards have their claws in us.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SuperM on May 13, 2017, 12:27:58 AM
(Currently at professor-drunk stage)

My favourite part:

Walter promises Daniels he will speak with David and find our further information, he finds the Prometheus survivor in his chamber. Walter asks David if he can play this recorder-like instrument and Walter says he cannot. He doesn't have the technique.

The scene, for me, was a bit of a riff on Hamlet Act 3, Scene 2 in which Rosencrantz and Guildenstern seek out Hamlet to find out what exactly is going on. Hamlet, sensing their intentions, offers Guildenstern a recorder and asks him to play it.

HAMLET
I do not well understand that. Will you play upon this pipe?

GUILDENSTERN
My lord, I cannot.

HAMLET
I pray you.

GUILDENSTERN
Believe me, I cannot.

HAMLET
I do beseech you.

GUILDENSTERN
I know no touch of it, my lord.

HAMLET
It is as easy as lying. Govern these ventages with your fingers and thumb, give it breath with your mouth, and it will discourse most eloquent music. Look you, these are the stops.

Hamlet later says:

HAMLET
Why, look you now, how unworthy a thing you make of me! You would play upon me. You would seem to know my stops. You would pluck out the heart of my mystery. You would sound me from my lowest note to the top of my compass. And there is much music, excellent voice, in this little organ, yet cannot you make it speak? 'Sblood, do you think I am easier to be played on than a pipe? Call me what instrument you will, though you can fret me, yet you cannot play upon me.

There was certainly some of this in the scene. David sensed Walter's intentions and instead used to the Pipe to distract him, and flip the situation, so he was the one learning more information, and by playing the notes for him, David was the one attempting to control the other. This sneaky urge to control made the scenes between the two Synthetics reallly tense for me. The scene called back to the opening dialogue between Weyland and David as well. Lots of fun.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: MrRipley on May 13, 2017, 12:32:15 AM
Hi

Saw it tonight.

Just a few things.

I felt it had been edited down,it's bloody in places but a lot of it was v quick esp the shower scene which was as out of place as we saw from the trailer,Birchir's death is offscreen,why???

The music was awful the Alien 79 cues were nice.

I really liked Waterston,Franco had 1 scene via mobile and a death sceneCrudup was a gr8 character but underdeveloped.

I disliked the temple setting.a bit A v P looking.

Liked the rescue by Tennesse and Upworth.

Fassbender is the master as suspected by all and it fits but looses that mythology.

The final scene is ill conceived.

The wheat field attack was a let down,too dark and quick,med bay was gr8 despite some ropey acting from Seimetz and Ejogo,Cartwright rules the fear game.

Cast was ok nothing great,we are not told they r couples,if u go in blind you'd never know.

My what a clean ship.

The ending was as others stated v rushed,there's an extended cut out there hopefully.

It is more of a Prometheus sequel.

7 out of 10.


1 other thing Rosenthal's death scene must have been cut down as we don't get that long scream we saw in the teaser and other trailers,we just see the alien/neomorph bear down on her,the shower scene is shot differently.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Sutekh The Destroyer on May 13, 2017, 01:36:11 AM
Pretty much loved it from start to finnish. As a review I posted else were (non-spoiler).

Score 10/10



To give this  review I think it best to do it in comparison to Prometheus since its what most will judge this film against.

Over all  Covenant makes far superior use of its run time then Prometheus did. While both had grand ideas and scope, Covenant dose not loose itself in them while Prometheus often allowed its themes to take the for front at the expense of the films narrative. Covenant is a story first and for most. Unlike Prometheus no shots or scenes feel wasted and the over all narrative flows much more smoothly. Also Covenant dose not have that sense missing story elements that it's predecessor did. However the story can be a bit fast paced and hectic in places.

We spend a far greater amount of time getting to know the characters and they seem for more realistic then their Prometheus counter parts. While not on pare with Alien and even Alien 3, Covenant allows us to get to know caste enough that you know most of them by sight and see them a people much like Aliens....and like Aliens your not going to get so know some of the caste as well as others if at all. All of the actors provide great or at least suitable performances with no real stand out weak points or contradictions. The real show stealer is once again Michael Fassbender, who's performance here eclipses his one in  Prometheus.

The special effects for the film are easily equal and maybe a bit superior to those in Prometheus. I'm not a great judge of CGI but I personally didn't see any-problems.

The creatures of the film are truly amazing, beautiful and terrifying. This film explores a number of aspects to them, not just the one everyone's thinking of when they walk in.

The music is fantastic blend of both Alien and Prometheus's scores with some of its new music of its on.

For an over all tone Covenant has the most kinship with Prometheus however it also clearly displays its connection to Alien. In terms of spirit this film is very much in-keeping with the Alien franchise



On the whole this is a vast improvement over its predecessor and and a very welcome step in the right direction for the franchise. It easily stands alongside Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 for me and while it dose not fix Prometheus's flaws, Covenant gives Prometheus's ideas more value and allows them to be continued and developed in a superior film. Because of this Prometheus can now be a solid part of the franchise to,

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 13, 2017, 02:34:27 AM
After disliking it the first time and rating it 4/10, I'm going to watch it again tomorrow for a second opinion in IMAX. Really hoping it improves upon a second watch. Looking forward to the backburster scene again.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Lieutenant Mike Harrigan on May 13, 2017, 05:00:47 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 07:43:11 AM
Here's HuDaFuk's review -

QuoteOverall, I liked this more than Prometheus, but it had definite faults.

It was undeniably a3 more commercial, less ambitious movie than Prometheus, but I thought that ultimately worked in its favour. There were a few hints of some of the higher concepts of the kind explored in the previous film, chiefly in the scenes involving David, but on the whole it was a more straightforward film. More action-packed, more intense. I'm also happy to say it fixed one of my biggest criticisms from Prometheus - whereas the crew in that were terribly cardboard and uncharismatic, I'm pleased to say the characters in this immediately came across as more interesting and likeable to watch.

However - and this was my main problem - it was one of those movies that suffers quite badly from a case of deterioration; it seemed to get less impressive as it went along, culminating in a final act that I thought was, disappointingly, pretty weak. The Neomorph birth sequence, seen in the previews, was excellent and probably the best part of the movie. But towards the end, more and more things started happening that really disappointed me.

Spoiler
For instance, they once again messed with the details and timescale of the Alien reproductive cycle. Crudup's character is infected and gives birth in about ten minutes, whereas later in the film someone is impregnated after a Facehugger is in contact with them for no longer than a few seconds. Seriously, they're never even knocked unconscious before the thing is cut off them, and yet they're still infected. Also, for some reason the Chestburster is now a fully-formed, miniature version of the Alien, with arms, legs and head, rather than the slug-like design from the previous films.
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Another issue I had was the big final twist. To say it was obvious is a huge understatement; I saw it coming about 20 minutes before the end of the film, and being so obvious, it was hard to get even slightly thrilled by it. It was just so blatantly telegraphed from the moment it was set up.

It's a shame most of the things I disliked were towards the back end of the movie, because it was a let down after the great opening acts and kinda soured the whole experience with a disappointing conclusion. As I said, the final act aboard the Covenant in particular was quite weak - it felt way too short and didn't portray the Alien in particularly good light. Still, overall it was an entertaining movie, and a definite step up from Prometheus. I've actually seen it twice now, and I enjoyed it more the second time around.

Oh, and as I was asked - I'd probably rank it fourth, after the first three but ahead of Resurrection and Prometheus 🙂 Might be a better-made film than Alien 3, but I have a soft spot for that.

And here's mine - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-covenant/review/

In terms of ranking, for me it goes

Joint 1st Place - Alien/s/3
4th Place - Alien: Covenant
5th Place - Prometheus
Joint 6th Place - AvP & Alien: Resurrection
8th Place - AvP: Requiem

I went for 6.5 out of 10 for my review. I was struggling to settle between 6 or 7. I wanna watch it a few more times to really make my mind up.
Thank you for ranking the films.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Uncanny Antman on May 13, 2017, 05:07:30 AM
It's a sad state of affairs that the Alien franchise has become so dire that some people are happily proclaiming Covenant as the fourth best Alien film as though that's some kind of victory.  ;)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Noah on May 13, 2017, 05:08:40 AM
Quote from: reecebomb on May 12, 2017, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Vid on May 12, 2017, 06:00:53 PM
Even Fassbender who I loved in Prometheus is terrible. In Prometheus he was much more nuanced, in this he comes over really hammy like a second rate hammer horror Frankenstein with some of the cheesiest dialogue I couldn't believe I was hearing. Some things I could barely believe what I was seeing, I thought I was high.

This.

Although i really liked Fassbenders perfomance and he was the most memorable thing in the whole movie, he was very different from Prometheus as soon as they landed on the planet. As if Fassbender knew the dialogue written for him was so hammy and right on the nose so he embraced it with style and genuine fun. I think many other actors could not pull it off as well as he did. But not in a million years the character of David could be called  realistic in any way.
That's the point. I think Vid is confusing the character with  Fassbender's acting. By all accounts,David is a very campy character here,but I think that every review agrees that he pulls it off so well that even the most awkward and cheesy lines feel enjoyable and he manages to remain  genuinely creepy,so not the caricature of a villain. Many reviews are singling out the David/Walter scenes and in many cases I don't even see people pointing out the more "hilarious" lines because,evidently,thanks to his acting,everything feels almost credible in that context. He also plays another -completely different- android who doesn't offer the same opportunities to show his range,but it's still a difficult and nuanced performance,not easy at all. Again,by all accounts,Walter is also perfectly played.
Having said that,I kind of hope they come back to a more nuanced and subtle characterization for David. If in this movie it still works in terms of tones and the whole David/Walter shtick,those exasperated personality  traits risk to become self parody.

I will watch it in a few days,but so far the consensus seems that it's way less divisive than Prometheus. It plays like an entertaining Alien movie,familiar but enjoyable nonetheless. At least for the mainstream public that doesn't have specific expectations and the press that uses more objective creteria. Surprisingly,I saw a lot of five/four stars from French critics too. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 13, 2017, 05:18:48 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 13, 2017, 05:07:30 AM
It's a sad state of affairs that the Alien franchise has become so dire that some people are happily proclaiming Covenant as the fourth best Alien film as though that's some kind of victory.  ;)

I don't think that's bad, considering the first 3 are classics.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darkness on May 13, 2017, 05:38:58 AM
Yeah, I don't see the problem either. Do people really expect an Alien sequel is going to come close to Ripley's story? It can still be a fine movie and I think ranking just after those is still a pretty good accomplishment.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Salt The Fries on May 13, 2017, 06:01:36 AM
I'll tell you this. Covenant is very very unexpected. Strong German Expressionism element. Very strong. Nosferatu, Frankenstein, Dracula overtones and a bit of Seventh Seal. And I'm f**king serious. I really liked the film. Not a masterpiece, but very bold in its differentness. And I really loved Crudup's performance.


Because of strong German Expressionism element that was beyond evident, I cannot agree with you guys. I really appreciated its differentness.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Whos_Nick on May 13, 2017, 06:20:18 AM
I'm looking forward to getting Covenant on Blu-Ray and seeing all the extra material
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on May 13, 2017, 06:35:29 AM
I certainly think there are elements that are beautifully strange/odd. In that regard the film has more in common with Alien 3.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: motherfather on May 13, 2017, 06:51:01 AM
I voted OK. I had to sleep on it overnight, before writing a review, so here it goes:

1st HALF OF MOVIE
All in all, I would say up until the 2nd infection/flute teaching scene, I was fully convinced this movie was going to rock my world.. and I couldn't wait for the movie to unfold. They'd learned a lot of lessons from Prometheus - there was time to get to know the characters, the space/science scenes all worked for me. I remember being confident and excited about the movie. Daniels coping with grieving by trying to "man up" and get on with her work tasks while everyone else was squabbling with Oram was perfect. Everything seemed to be going swimmingly.

I was prepared to overlook the not wearing hazmat suits thing when they arrived at the planet, thinking any moment after the infections, maybe in the first moments before or inside the citadel, someone would make the decision to retreat and suit up/quarantine.

My heart sank a little when the crew willingly offered up to David intel on their colonization mission. But to be fair, its understandable - David saved their lives and so at that point they trusted him.

The flute teaching scene was the last great moment because of the tension I felt. But then afterwards... everything started to get a bit silly - not always, but usually. Like two totally different movies had been welded together in the middle.

2nd HALF OF MOVIE (plain silly - all mindless slasher, with none of the suspense)
This is the bit I am most critical of - its all just silly. Blatantly obvious and predictable - even for a child. I was soooo over it before it had even played out. The main David's lair bit was all wrong and silly and made me wonder why bother having Shaw in the movie at all. I hated it - it belonged in "Event Horizon" and not in a suspenseful alien franchise movie of good caliber. I can't imagine any captain would follow David down into a dark cave after he has just admitted to being the mastermind to all the horror.

FINAL 20 MINS (some great ideas, but taken in the wrong direction)
The 2nd drop ship/Daniels/Xeno fight was great. Maybe a little bit longer/drawn out than it needed to be. I mean - how long does Tennesee need before he stops circling above ground level?

The final Xeno aboard the covenant battle was good action let down by a bad premise. Yes there was 1 facehugger loose in the lair. But somehow, all surviving crew members had not been "scanned" for infection by the state of the art med facilities with embryo storage on board. Really?

The final scenes with Daniels/David as Walter were ripe with tension, but the plot took the dumb ending of Daniels naively (she is the better decision maker of the crew AND was already previously attacked by David similar to Ripley and Ash) getting back into cryo without AT LEAST surprise awakening/faking sleep to secretly monitor David for a short while just to be sure.

And as for David vomiting up Facehugger embryos. No. Sorry. I can't. It reminded me of Men in Black galactic tentacles playing "marbles" with tiny planets like earth. Tacky - not clever.

WHAT WAS CUT THAT I SAW FOOTAGE OF?
- A longer battle with the facehuggers
- The red corridor/xeno scene
- Parts of the first prologue

STYLE, SUSPENSE AND GORE
Visually things were mostly good (except some ropey cgi and xenovision).

However, I had high hopes that the creature aesthetics would be shaped in a way that they could blend in with their environments  (think Alien head camoflaged against industrial pipes). At least the final xeno should have been more strategic. But every creature behaved like some deranged, rabid, frantic dog, not so much strategic, but hell bent on killing anything, whether it was in its way or out of its way. Not exactly a perfect organism, so much as a monkey with a flickknife.

Which gets me to the gore/body count. I didn't find the decapitation or shower scene added anything. if you're gonna off a whole bunch of characters, you're better off allowing some suspense to build between each kill, rather than in quick succession.

I'm not against gore or violence in movies, especially Alien movies, but it has to be done cleverly. If M Night Shyamalan (or that kind of style) had collaborated with Ridley, this movie could have perhaps even knocked Alien off the top spot.

Let me be VERY CLEAR though. I complained about prometheus not having enough creatures. Having less creatures in covenant is NOT what I mean. The creatures could have had exactly the same screen time in Covenant - just executed differently. And this is where I would have to put the blame with Ridley. The script cannot be wholly blamed like with Prometheus. I am presuming the studio execs also tried to twist Ridley's arm e.g "oh, if you work with one of our cgi preferred partners, and put a little of this/that in the movie, we'll throw some more money at you" Those types of borderline corruption situations happen all the time in business. I know it only too well :-(

For me, an Alien franchise movie cannot work with 2 "permanent" villains. The stage isn't big enough to be shared. Its either the Alien is the permanent star, or David is.

The buzzword of AI was thrown around generously with Covenant, but true AI is software, not hardware. David should have died, and collective networked conscience should have been explored if you are going to tow the AI line.

WOULD A DVD DIRECTORS CUT HELP SALVAGE THINGS?
Yes, absolutely. You can't add what you don't have (acting scenes), but you can take away.

Shaving off some cgi here and there. Dispensing with the "rise up and bow to David" dodgy xeno burster effects.

And maybe adding any cut scenes to "space apart / slow down" the insanely rapid incubation and growth of creatures would go a looong way to give a more satisfactory alien franchise movie experience. Even some extracts of prologues etc...

I don't think the smart ending was to have David escape on the covenant. He should have died, but transmitted his computer conscience into muthur as his dying wish. Or been stranded on the covenant with no facehuggers/black goo/but plotting how to get back to the planet or intercepting another flying croissant.

Overall rating as a standalone film like event horizon = 8/10

Overall rating as a prequel that adds to / not takes away from Alien/s, and worthy of an Alien franchise film = 4/10
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Lieutenant Mike Harrigan on May 13, 2017, 07:14:39 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 13, 2017, 05:18:48 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 13, 2017, 05:07:30 AM
It's a sad state of affairs that the Alien franchise has become so dire that some people are happily proclaiming Covenant as the fourth best Alien film as though that's some kind of victory.  ;)

I don't think that's bad, considering the first 3 are classics.
That's good enough for me and for most of us anyways. The first two films are unbeatable and Alien 3 is pretty good.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 13, 2017, 08:00:55 AM
Quote from: motherfather on May 13, 2017, 06:51:01 AM
For me, an Alien franchise movie cannot work with 2 "permanent" villains. The stage isn't big enough to be shared. Its either the Alien is the permanent star, or David is.

Good review, but in particular I think you've hit the nail on the head right here, and had made me realise why this film didn't quite work for me. The Xeno needs to be the main and only villain.

With the emphasis on David for most of the film, it became the David show, and the aliens became a sideshow. The original Alien films (including 3 and even Resurrection) worked far, far better in creating horror and fear because we didn't know what our main "villain" (i.e. the Xeno) was up to for most of the films, whereas Covenant showed us far to much of it, and David pretty much gave a full commentary.

A successful Alien film needs to have the Xeno as the main antagonist.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Uncanny Antman on May 13, 2017, 08:05:31 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 13, 2017, 05:18:48 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 13, 2017, 05:07:30 AM
It's a sad state of affairs that the Alien franchise has become so dire that some people are happily proclaiming Covenant as the fourth best Alien film as though that's some kind of victory.  ;)

I don't think that's bad, considering the first 3 are classics.
It's not that it isn't as good as the first three that makes it sad, it's saying it as though it's some great thing.  It's like arguing over whether Terminator Salvation or Terminator Genisys is the fourth best one.

Maybe I'll just agree to disagree by referring to Alien Covenant as the third worst one.  (Although for me it's second worst, but I'm willing to give a little. ;)) 

Quote from: bacchus on May 13, 2017, 08:00:55 AM
A successful Alien film needs to have the Xeno as the main antagonist.
I disagree.  I think Prometheus could have been great if it didn't totally bork it on other levels.  The lack of xeno wasn't a failing of that one.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: maggieloveshopey on May 13, 2017, 08:15:50 AM
A solid 7/10 for me on one viewing. I thought the first two thirds were really good, but as others have said, the home stretch is rushed, there's no tension built, and it just kind of fizzles out.

<spoiler>just testing spoiler tags</spoiler>
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: USS-Sulaco on May 13, 2017, 08:41:42 AM
Just saw it again, and it holds up as a very good movie with a few flaws. I see three key issues, with one of them being something that only fans of the series will take umbrage with.

Spoiler
1. There needed to be something to address the choice to treat the planet in such a blasé fashion (i.e. no helmets, no consideration of potential pathogens). At least an atmosphere compositional scan, addressing surface conditions in general, something to add credibility. I understand the movie had to fit a lot in but it's an obvious thing people will complain about.

2. Oram having such a 180 degree change in attitude by trusting David and following him. You will lose a lot of audience here. You could still get Oram to be facehugged without such a lack of plausibility.

3. Fanboy issue: the playing with the lifecycle durations :  gestation period, burster to adult growth time, look of the chest burster. To be fair it doesn't exactly spell out how much time has past, but it feels like it's not much. Also it is questionable how Lope is impregnated after such a short facehug given previous movies, but I'm assuming facehugger now transfers a black goo variant that is fast acting (?)
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But if you can look past these issues (which i believe you should) this is a highly enjoyable movie, a worthy addition to the franchise, that's stands up to repeat viewings. The first half alone is worth sitting down for this movie. 8/10
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Rafael S. on May 13, 2017, 08:42:46 AM
Having just came out of the theater, various things struck into my mind but definitely must highlight that I love what I believe is a representation of Giger through David. I was pro ancient creature or mother nature cleanser (still am to a degree) but now I don´t mind the idea of David the Alien creator as an homage by Ridley to the artist. I don´t know why I think this truly is the case.
Second, the hell...the Aliens looked MENACING AND DISTURBING. Tall, upright, more humanoid than ever. I was really proud of having elegance in these creatures once more.
And last, am I alone in thinking that the starting scene was just gold? Gold dialogue, gold acting, gold pacing. There are indeed things I disliked, mostly concentrating in the go-by attitude of the crew once they are in David´s castle but I must watch it once more, I believe.
For now, feeling quite positive about the film. Ridley was one of the people that started this franchise, if someone must end it, I can´t think of somebody better than him. To infinity and beyond!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Rudiger on May 13, 2017, 08:47:58 AM
4/10 and I'm being generous.

I struggle to understand how this thing got made by such an experienced director. He's either past caring or his earlier works were something of a fluke. How on earth did this script and this screenplay get the go-ahead? Clearly Fox learned nothing from Prometheus.

It's packed full of tropes from earlier films in the franchise (sorry, not good enough), and retreads themes Scott already explored - and to much better effect - in Blade Runner.

What's worse is that it's boring. There are no scares and no tension.

The characters are poorly written, while the films own internal logic collapses early on and never recovers.

It's a poor slasher movie with delusions of grandeur.


4/10 and I'm being generous.

I struggle to understand how this thing got made by such an experienced director. He's either past caring or his earlier works were something of a fluke. How on earth did this script and this screenplay get the go-ahead? Clearly Fox learned nothing from Prometheus.

It's packed full of tropes from earlier films in the franchise (sorry, not good enough), and retreads themes Scott already explored - and to much better effect - in Blade Runner.

What's worse is that it's boring. There are no scares and no tension.

The characters are poorly written, while the films own internal logic collapses early on and never recovers.

It's a poor slasher movie with delusions of grandeur.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: USS-Sulaco on May 13, 2017, 08:53:29 AM
Quote from: Rafael S. on May 13, 2017, 08:42:46 AM
Having just came out of the theater, various things struck into my mind but definitely must highlight that I love what I believe is a representation of Giger through David. I was pro ancient creature or mother nature cleanser (still am to a degree) but now I don´t mind the idea of David the Alien creator as an homage by Ridley to the artist. I don´t know why I think this truly is the case.
Second, the hell...the Aliens looked MENACING AND DISTURBING. Tall, upright, more humanoid than ever. I was really proud of having elegance in these creatures once more.
And last, am I alone in thinking that the starting scene was just gold? Gold dialogue, gold acting, gold pacing. There are indeed this I disliked, mostly concentrating in the go-by attitude of the crew once they are in David´s castle but I must watch one more, I believe.
For now, feeling quite positive about the film. Ridley was one of the people that started this franchise, if someone must end it, I can´t think of somebody better than him. To infinity and beyond!

I'm with you, that starting scene was perfect. Weylands  ambivalence to David, his want of complete control of David. He's designed him to have an opinion, but he didn't want that opinion unless it suited him. And then the cut to the rehash of the original alien score and space. Just great.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Rafael S. on May 13, 2017, 08:59:16 AM
Quote from: USS-Sulaco on May 13, 2017, 08:53:29 AM
Quote from: Rafael S. on May 13, 2017, 08:42:46 AM
Having just came out of the theater, various things struck into my mind but definitely must highlight that I love what I believe is a representation of Giger through David. I was pro ancient creature or mother nature cleanser (still am to a degree) but now I don´t mind the idea of David the Alien creator as an homage by Ridley to the artist. I don´t know why I think this truly is the case.
Second, the hell...the Aliens looked MENACING AND DISTURBING. Tall, upright, more humanoid than ever. I was really proud of having elegance in these creatures once more.
And last, am I alone in thinking that the starting scene was just gold? Gold dialogue, gold acting, gold pacing. There are indeed this I disliked, mostly concentrating in the go-by attitude of the crew once they are in David´s castle but I must watch one more, I believe.
For now, feeling quite positive about the film. Ridley was one of the people that started this franchise, if someone must end it, I can´t think of somebody better than him. To infinity and beyond!

I'm with you, that starting scene was perfect. Weylands  ambivalence to David, his want of complete control of David. He's designed him to have an opinion, but he didn't want that opinion unless it suited him. And then the cut to the rehash of the original alien score and space. Just great.

The tea cup was just the begging of David´s training towards submission. Just pounding.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 09:08:03 AM
Quote from: USS-Sulaco on May 13, 2017, 08:41:42 AM
Spoiler
1. There needed to be something to address the choice to treat the planet in such a blasé fashion (i.e. no helmets, no consideration of potential pathogens). At least an atmosphere compositional scan, addressing surface conditions in general, something to add credibility. I understand the movie had to fit a lot in but it's an obvious thing people will complain about.
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Spoiler
Ricks talks about how perfect it is for human habitation. It seems logical that he must have done some kind of atmospheric and environmental scan to know that.

Not to mention it's stated that there's a two-week journey between them finding the planet and actually arriving there. Plenty of time to run all kinds of scans, especially if no one's going back to cryo in the interim.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Mr. Weyland on May 13, 2017, 09:18:53 AM
I might write a review later, don't have time right now. I have never been more disappointed in a movie in my entire life, and those that know me from way back might be surprised by that.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: USS-Sulaco on May 13, 2017, 09:28:35 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 09:08:03 AM
Quote from: USS-Sulaco on May 13, 2017, 08:41:42 AM
Spoiler
1. There needed to be something to address the choice to treat the planet in such a blasé fashion (i.e. no helmets, no consideration of potential pathogens). At least an atmosphere compositional scan, addressing surface conditions in general, something to add credibility. I understand the movie had to fit a lot in but it's an obvious thing people will complain about.
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Spoiler
Ricks talks about how perfect it is for human habitation. It seems logical that he must have done some kind of atmospheric and environmental scan to know that.

Not to mention it's stated that there's a two-week journey between them finding the planet and actually arriving there. Plenty of time to run all kinds of scans, especially if no one's going back to cryo in the interim.
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No, Ricks talks about it being in the Goldilocks zone with a surface ocean and it is an ideal candidate to interpret as a habitable planet. That does not mean those interpretations were validated. Vs origae-6 which it sounds had been highlighted as a suitable candidate through reasoning similar to that which ricks discussed for paradise, but had furthered been vetted (assumption of satellites, landers gathering further data). Yes I know, you could just assume it was done off-screen, but I'm trying to address all the bitching that's gone on over trivial stuff like this. And for a modern audience you lose them unless you spell out details like this to keep story credibility air-tight
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 09:31:28 AM
Doesn't change my point about them having two whole weeks to check it out in more detail on the way.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Russ840 on May 13, 2017, 09:35:31 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 09:31:28 AM
Doesn't change my point about them having to whole weeks to check it out in more detail on the way.

Yeah. I'm with you here dude.  Two weeks of scanning is enough to make the judgements about the place.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Space_Dementia on May 13, 2017, 09:39:07 AM
I liked it so much... I enjoyed it so much that I want to say I loved it. But not on the same level as the original Alien, or Aliens even. But I really did like this movie, a lot. Check out my spoiler-free review below.
https://youtu.be/eGNKL_F0o_k (https://youtu.be/eGNKL_F0o_k)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: USS-Sulaco on May 13, 2017, 09:50:22 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 09:31:28 AM
Doesn't change my point about them having two whole weeks to check it out in more detail on the way.

No it doesn't, but where do they ever mention said scans? That is an assumption. My last two sentences of previous post address my viewpoint on this.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 09:58:06 AM
What else would they be doing in those two weeks we don't see?

The assumption they didn't check the planet out is more daft than assuming they probably did. Because that's obviously what they'd do. It doesn't need to be outright stated because there's 14 whole days in which they could do just that kind of thing.

If "a modern audience" can't come to that conclusion, then that's their issue, not the film's.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Andy R on May 13, 2017, 09:58:46 AM
I took the wife to go and watch it last night...

I kept expectations low because I didn't want to be disappointed but....

I really enjoyed it!

Beautiful dark setting, good characters and a fun and entertaining storyline.

I thought I was going to dislike the 'Alien' being partly CGI but NO, they actually pulled it off in a way that did not feel forced and lazy.

My Only negative points, the gestation period is way off- resulting on the movie feeling it was on fast forward.

And concern about how it will link in with the rest of the franchise without spoiling it's predecessors.

I can see what they're going for and it is definitely creepy and sinister BUT a lot will have to be done to connect it up fluidly to the original movie.

Yes it was a paint by numbers and tick box movie, all the things you would expect to see in an Alien movie was there, but to expect anything different you should have gone to see a different movie.

My final verdict,  really entertaining and deserves it's title into the franchise.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: USS-Sulaco on May 13, 2017, 10:07:37 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 09:58:06 AM
What else would they be doing in those two weeks we don't see?

The assumption they didn't check the planet out is more daft than assuming they probably did. Because that's obviously what they'd do. It doesn't need to be outright stated because there's 14 whole days in which they could do just that kind of thing.

If "a modern audience" can't come to that conclusion, then that's their issue, not the film's.

What is this remote sensing technology they can use that can actually give them atmospheric composition in the two weeks on the journey when they ARE NOT ACTUALLY AT THE PLANET? Direct testing of atmo cannot be done until in transit through said atmo. There are a barrage of tests you couldn't do until at the planet itself. Seeing as we see the covenant arrive at the planet, and a short space of time between that and the drop, it needs addressing, even with throw away lines. I'll agree to disagree on this one. Easy way to lose the audience which would be easy to avoid. Anyway I enjoyed the movie and that is what I choose to focus on.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Russ840 on May 13, 2017, 10:11:05 AM
Quote from: USS-Sulaco on May 13, 2017, 10:07:37 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 09:58:06 AM
What else would they be doing in those two weeks we don't see?

The assumption they didn't check the planet out is more daft than assuming they probably did. Because that's obviously what they'd do. It doesn't need to be outright stated because there's 14 whole days in which they could do just that kind of thing.

If "a modern audience" can't come to that conclusion, then that's their issue, not the film's.

What is this remote sensing technology they can use that can actually give them atmospheric composition in the two weeks on the journey when they ARE NOT ACTUALLY AT THE PLANET? Direct testing of atmo cannot be done until in transit through said atmo. There are a barrage of tests you couldn't do until at the planet itself. Seeing as we see the covenant arrive at the planet, and a short space of time between that and the drop, it needs addressing, even with throw away lines. I'll agree to disagree on this one. Easy way to lose the audience which would be easy to avoid. Anyway I enjoyed the movie and that is what I choose to focus on.

Why can it not be done?

If they can tell the size and position of the planet light years away then why not as they get closer, perform more detailed scans. It's fiction set in the future so I'm sure these scans are possible. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Murphy773 on May 13, 2017, 10:40:55 AM
Hi folks,.

My review after watching it on Thursday night,.

Immediately after the film I walked away with "I really don't care anymore what happens next" which is such a shame for a true fan of these films for many years,.

It looks like Ridley has really decided end the alien films and I am highly doubtful that he will make another,. And for him to say alien 5 won't ever get made,.!? Maybe now that we have seen the backstory to these perfect organisms the story in alien 5 just doesn't make sense,.

I'll go into details about what was in my opinion wrong about the film but for now,.

Very disappointed,..

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 13, 2017, 10:55:25 AM
Second, the hell...the Aliens looked MENACING AND DISTURBING. Tall, upright, more humanoid than ever. I was really proud of having elegance in these creatures once more.
And last, am I alone in thinking that the starting scene was just gold? Gold dialogue, gold acting, gold pacing.

I totally agree with you. When the xenomorph stood outside the temple and looked at the dropship, it looked like a freaking badass. And when it was crawling around the ship you could sense it's immense power and weight. The best iteration of the xenomorph so far imo.

And yeah, the prologue is pure gold. I think it's brilliant where David gets his name from.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: Snake on May 13, 2017, 10:55:25 AMThe best iteration of the xenomorph so far imo.

Apart from the fact it was an idiot.

It looked good, but it wasn't portrayed as a particularly intelligent creature.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 13, 2017, 11:05:35 AM
The xenomorphs in aliens were also idiots, just charging mindlessly at the sentry guns.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 11:08:30 AM
They knew they had superior numbers, and had no choice but to wear the guns down. It's not really dumb when you can afford to do it.

They also had the intelligence to know that cutting the power would help them, and to know how to do it.

Spoiler
They didn't get tricked into impaling themselves on a spike just by someone jumping out of the way.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Beardomorph on May 13, 2017, 11:10:04 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 10:59:49 AM
Apart from the fact it was an idiot.

It looked good, but it wasn't portrayed as a particularly intelligent creature.

True. At the same time it must be said that in the context of the Covenant his "easy" dispatch sort of makes sense, in the sense that MU/TH/ER here isn't trying to bring the organism back to Earth. As a result given that Daniels has a clear idea of what she's going to do and that MU/TH/ER is complying, they manage to get rid of the Alien fairly easily... There isn't much that the Alien could have done. He couldn't hide, so except if it had stayed still and waited for a direct confrontation there wasn't much he could have done. I agree that they could have made the whole final bug hunt a bit more... suspenseful.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 13, 2017, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 11:08:30 AM
They knew they had superior numbers, and had no choice but to wear the guns down. It's not really dumb when you can afford to do it.

They also had the intelligence to know that cutting the power would help them, and to know how to do it.

Spoiler
They didn't get tricked into impaling themselves on a spike just by someone jumping out of the way.
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I can agree to a certain extent, but still it took a 1000 rounds before they got the message that they were being butchered, so that doesn't seem really intelligent to me.

About the spoiler, I can't see what's wrong with that. It didn't see it coming so how does that make it an idiot?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Salt The Fries on May 13, 2017, 11:20:56 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 11:08:30 AM
They knew they had superior numbers, and had no choice but to wear the guns down. It's not really dumb when you can afford to do it.

They also had the intelligence to know that cutting the power would help them, and to know how to do it.

Spoiler
They didn't get tricked into impaling themselves on a spike just by someone jumping out of the way.
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But
Spoiler
Daniels waited for an inhumanely long time before she did that deke, she was really determined to do it
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...it looked believeable actually.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: LV-12986 on May 13, 2017, 11:38:00 AM
I think it got killed very easily but Let's not forget the xenomorph in covenant isn't the the same as what you see in the later films, so in terms of intelligence and instinct it'll lack, I see it as a generation thing plus future hosts i.e. Engineers will alter its DNA to increase its instincts, appearance etc
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: Snake on May 13, 2017, 11:20:18 AMI can agree to a certain extent, but still it took a 1000 rounds before they got the message that they were being butchered, so that doesn't seem really intelligent to me.

Depends how you look at it. If their interest is in their survival as a species rather than as individuals, then they can afford to sacrifice as many as it takes, so long as they have plenty in reserve. Which they did.

That kind of assessment in itself takes intelligence. And personally, I find the idea that the few are willing to get themselves killed just to ensure the many still get you and lay their children in you to be more scary.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 11:48:00 AM
Quote from: Salt The Fries on May 13, 2017, 06:01:36 AM
I'll tell you this. Covenant is very very unexpected. Strong German Expressionism element. Very strong. Nosferatu, Frankenstein, Dracula overtones and a bit of Seventh Seal. And I'm f**king serious. I really liked the film. Not a masterpiece, but very bold in its differentness. And I really loved Crudup's performance.

I get where you're coming from but do we really need this in an actual alien prequel film? It's impossible for me to succumb to the suspension of disbelief with this film. I wouldn't have any problems with it if it were a long distant sequel like A:R but this should have at least tried to maintain the tone set by the original film. I mean even a videogame did it way better.

But i have to agree, peculiarly for me too that was the aspect i liked the most about the film, apart from the prologue with Peter Wayland and couple scenes set in space in the first half. But i think you give it too much credit when juxtaposing it with classics like Nosferatu, Frankenstein. Numerous b-movies of the 50s, 60s and 70s took inspiration from German Expressionism, but that doesn't make them very good films. Almost every sentences by David is either a reference or a straight copy. Only original or unexpected about it was how did it all end up in a 100 mil summer blockbuster, that is amusing. They should have amplified it though, the sets and the light surronding David were more AvP 1 than The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari.
Take all the weirdness and the mad scientist trope away and most of the film would fall completely flat on it's ass. I think it's the only saving grace of A:C, beside some of the actors and some visual moments. Almost everything related to the creatures was pathetic by itself, apart from the facehugger vfx, that looked great.

Edit: Now, i want to see it again, as a fantasy film that is unrelated to Alien.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 13, 2017, 11:48:28 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: Snake on May 13, 2017, 11:20:18 AMI can agree to a certain extent, but still it took a 1000 rounds before they got the message that they were being butchered, so that doesn't seem really intelligent to me.

Depends how you look at it. If their interest is in their survival as a species rather than as individuals, then they can afford to sacrifice as many as it takes, so long as they have plenty in reserve. Which they did.

You got me there I guess, but still, I don't think the protomorph was an idiot. I just like to think it was blinded with rage or something, which makes it a scary as ****. I wouldn't want to go toe to toe with it, that's for sure.

*Fixed quotes. Hicks.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Dill-On on May 13, 2017, 12:01:55 PM
1] Alien3, Alien
2] Aliens
3] Alien: Resurrection
4] Covenant

-] Prometheus should not exist

At least I feel like they got rid of Engeeners from the genesis of xenomorph.
It's good! I miss my old, good Space Jockeys designed by H.R. Giger.
David and Walter are the best part of this new film.
I don't understand why chesburster has legs? What is the purpose?
I treat this new movie as a spin-off, not a prequel.
Too naive - like some stories from comic books in this universe.
Design of neomorph is poor. Sorry.
However, It's still pretty enjoyable movie and I would like to see it again. Soon.
It's still could be better. Then I would like to buy Blu-Ray.
But I don't want to.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 13, 2017, 12:03:52 PM
The main problem of the movie, talking about fxs and look of the Xeno, it´s the the low budget and rushed production.

Fox and Ridley need to expend more money and time to create the movie. They should go back to the practical fxs. They could make the ships with maquettes, they could do the monster with a man on a suit, they could call Studio Adi, and not, they prefer to design a weightless, digital, jumping and fast running Xeno,
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: IAMWARFACE on May 13, 2017, 12:25:18 PM
Ok. For anyone that wants to read, here's my full review of Alien Covenent.

Alien Covenant Review

Saw this film last night. After the last few years of hearing about the pre-production, to watching the trailers and genuinely becoming excited again for a new and fresh spin on my beloved Alien franchise, even overwhelmingly so, feeling panic as the 20th Century Fox logo drifted across the screen and hoping with all my heart that this was going to be the film that restored the Alien mythos to greatness again.

This isn't quite the case.

I saw Alien when i was 8 years old. It scarred me.  Horrified me. It made me the man I am today.
The thing is, the original got it so right. The Möbius designed interior of the Nostromo, all softly padded and claustrophobic, the long dark corridors, jangling chains, the dripping water and strobe lights. The feeling as if the ship is actually breathing and alive. Everything worked. The crew a normal bunch of space truckers. The Alien itself. The sound design. The moments of quietness that almost gut-punch you with tension. The stunning, beautiful and haunting score by Jerry Goldsmith. Perfect.

It's safe to say this has and most likely always will be my all-time favourite film.

Then came the sequels.

Aliens. This completely blew me away! Infinitely quotable and full of great characterisation. James Cameron took Ridley Scott's original and ran with the concept making something feel familiar yet new, again ramping up the tension to unbearable levels whilst also expanding the Alien mythos. As far as I'm concerned, Cameron has never made a bad film and this is certainly one of his best. I will always love this movie.

Alien 3 I hated at first but over the years have found a deep appreciation for, even if it does feel like an Alien film made by the BBC.

Alien Resurrection just felt like a parody made by the guys behind League of gentlemen. An absolute turd. I hate this film with a great passion.

I will not mention the crummy AVP movies.

So, when I first heard of Prometheus being made, I was genuinely excited and to see what Ridley Scott had up his sleeve. It was to be centred around the derelict ship from the original Alien and finally answer the question of the mysterious "Space Jockey" in the huge chair? Upon hearing this, I had in my head a film full of Gigeresque horrors on a planet with all kinds of biomechanical madness. Years ago I saw a piece of concept art in Starburst magazine that was for a movie I can't remember, but H.R. Giger was involved with the design, and it looked absolutely astounding! Imagine the traditional biblical imagery of Hell but designed by Giger. From what I saw, it was very Paradise Lost but full-on horror, madness and beauty. This is where I wanted Prometheus to go to. I expected after the first trailers to have a kind of "The Hills Have Eyes" where the Prometheus crew stumble across the engineers and get captured by, tortured or experimented on by them. Instead we got confused plot points about where do we come from, what happens when we die? Etcetera Etcetera. Yawn. So far, so pretentious. And then we got idiot scientists running around and making stupid decisions, unlikeable characters and creature designs that were for the most part, generic tentacled squid-like aliens that could have been from any of the Alien knock-off movies of the 80's and 90's.
All was not lost though. The striking design of the Engineers I thought to be a complete stroke of genius, tapping into the aesthetics of Ancient Greece and biblical imagery so ingrained in human culture and art. Then to make them genuinely unsettling and creepy with their black shiny eyes and cold malevolence. I would have been ok with a film of just these guys terrifying the crew of the Prometheus like mad alien scientists and using the black accelerant on them to make even more twisted creations to further whatever mad agenda they had for the universe. It could have been a master stroke. But that wasn't to be. It was about faith and idiocy. Sorry. Wrong franchise Ridley. You already made Exodus Gods and Kings. And that was a boring snore-fest.
So after that, I was hoping Covenant would at least right a few wrongs and at least try to make a claustrophobic, bloody, and intense body-horror type thriller. With Aliens in it. That's kind of what we got actually.
I'll start with what I didn't like and I'll try not to spoil too much.
A lot of people are praising Fassbender for his role of the androids David and Walter. While they were with great characters initially, David really started to grate on me as the film went on, to the point where I was expecting him to raise his little pinky to the side of his mouth and chuckle menacingly whilst winking at the audience. And the line of dialogue when he tells Walter "I'll do the fingering" made me spit my popcorn out with laughter.
Once on the planet, the crew embark on a long walk to find the source of the transmission they intercepted in orbit. Without helmets on. Are these people complete f**king idiots?????
Anyway, it all goes pear-shaped as you can imagine, this being an Alien film.
The pacing of the film seemed really rushed and things zip by at an alarming rate. People get infected and spawn horrifying creatures in what seems like minutes when in the original film, the gestation period was a hell of a lot longer. It's all speeded up, almost as if to satisfy the attention spans of the people leaning over the seats in front whilst staring daggers at the popcorn munchers in the next row.
The Neomorphs are an interesting addition to the canon and are pretty freaky, especially the first birth scene, which it utterly as disgusting and repulsive as you'd imagine.
Anyhow, when the main alien eventually arrives, the chest burster scene was a truly WTF moment. A fully formed alien baby stands up and raises its arms in the air mimicking David like a child mimics its father. The music was lovely and romantic. What the utter f**k???!!!!
But then, as long as it takes it to finally arrive, gets to adulthood, goes apeshit, kills a few people, it's gone. Dead. Its like a Prometheus film with a few Aliens in it. Not at all like an alien film.
My thought was that the film was really intense but lacked any suspense. Also it was sorely lacking in any kind of claustrophobia. That's kind of a staple of all the alien films. It would be like having a Star Wars film without any space battles.
Oh wait....hmm...
Also as the film progresses, the characters yet again make really stupid and idiotic decisions that result in more deaths.
The General look of the film I thought was nowhere near as striking as Prometheus but all the same, a very beautiful film to look at.
What I did like.
The effects are all top notch as you you'll expect. Bloody and disgusting, brutal and shocking.  The sound design was excellent and the score was surprisingly haunting and effective, even riffing on Jerry Goldsmith's fantastic original.
When the Xenomorph eventually arrives late in the film, its bloody magnificent! The best depiction of an alien since Aliens. They absolutely nailed the design and movement.
The characters largely were very well fleshed out and likeable, the acting solid and the tone generally sombre. A much needed improvement over Prometheus.
I left the cinema not knowing what to think. I couldn't process what I'd just seen. And I'm still not sure what to think. Only repeated viewing will tell.  But interestingly enough, as I've been writing this review, I'm more and more falling in love with the film. That's never happened before. It's taken me to unexpected places. Maybe that's a good thing as the last thing I wanted was another derivative alien film.

It's certainly a very far cry from that.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 12:27:54 PM
Quote from: John Doe on May 13, 2017, 12:03:52 PM
The main problem of the movie, talking about fxs and look of the Xeno, it´s the the low budget and rushed production.

Fox and Ridley need to expend more money and time to create the movie. They should go back to the practical fxs. They could make the ships with maquettes, they could do the monster with a man on a suit, they could call Studio Adi, and not, they prefer to design a weightless, digital, jumping and fast running Xeno,

The budget was fine, perhaps the rushed production could be one of the culprits. The alien vision was shockingly bad, Alien 3 did it much better. The cgi overall wasn't on par with the best out there and there was too much of it, they should have used practical effects as much as possible instead of the opposite. The spaceship fx in space was pretty good, but it looked like a videogame when the dropship landed on the lake. The problem with the cgi was also how the movie was shot, the camerawork etc didn't do it any favours.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 13, 2017, 12:54:50 PM
You blow into the end and ill do the fingering

!!!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 13, 2017, 12:55:59 PM
Sexual, porn parady of Alien.  :D
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 01:01:37 PM
I wish I could've seen Ridley's face at the premiere, to see how he reacted to the laugh that line got.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: dry_heat on May 13, 2017, 01:01:48 PM
I loved it!

I've just joined, so "hi" to you all.

I thought the film was excellent. I went to see Prometheus the day it came out and walked out the cinema thinking "WTF was that about?". I didn't hate Prometheus, but after getting it on Bluray (in 3D) it did start to grow on me.

As for AC, the film seemed to me as a sequal to Prometheus rather than a prequal to Alien. I know it had strange plot areas and people doing questionable things BUT so did Alien. In Alien, you have them go out into a derelict space craft and then one of the crew members looking into the egg. And then they got the guy back on the ship, observed a facehugger on his face and tried to get it off but then it fell off on it's own. After all of that, they invited him to dinner without ever asking what the purpose was of the thing hugging his face over the past few days.

Same thing with Aliens, the marines are sent into the Alien area and then told to disarm?? LOL...and also the wierdness of no-one noticing the huge Alien queen hitch a ride on the dropship.

Am sure a movie based on common sense would be rather boring.

Some people have complained about a certain person not being in the film, but as far as I was concerned that person featured quite heavily where required and I felt suitably informed about that person.

I am a fan of Alien, watched it a ton of times. And the same with Aliens too. I disliked Alien 3 and Alien R.

All in all, I thought it was a great film and was happy there was pointers to both Alien and Prometheus. However, I did think one early scene in particular was a hat tip to 2001 Space Odyssey.

thanks for reading and I hope I haven't given too much away
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Fire Marshall Bill on May 13, 2017, 01:14:49 PM
Quote from: Dill-On on May 13, 2017, 12:01:55 PM
1] Alien3, Alien
2] Aliens
3] Alien: Resurrection
4] Covenant

-] Prometheus should not exist

At least I feel like they got rid of Engeeners from the genesis of xenomorph.
It's good! I miss my old, good Space Jockeys designed by H.R. Giger.
David and Walter are the best part of this new film.
I don't understand why chesburster has legs? What is the purpose?
I treat this new movie as a spin-off, not a prequel.
Too naive - like some stories from comic books in this universe.
Design of neomorph is poor. Sorry.
However, It's still pretty enjoyable movie and I would like to see it again. Soon.
It's still could be better. Then I would like to buy Blu-Ray.
But I don't want to.

The fact that you have alien resurrection as the 3rd best in the franchise, and have a problem with the creatures in covenant, yet they clearly look better than the white halfbreed baby alien in resurrection not to mention ripely had a jump shot lol...I haven't even seen covenant and I already know it has to be either 3rd or 4th best of the series. But hey to each his own....resurrection is borderline horrible imo
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Salt The Fries on May 13, 2017, 01:16:56 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 01:01:37 PM
I wish I could've seen Ridley's face at the premiere, to see how he reacted to the laugh that line got.
I think it was meant to bring sexual connotations to the table.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 01:27:17 PM
Quote from: Salt The Fries on May 13, 2017, 01:16:56 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 01:01:37 PM
I wish I could've seen Ridley's face at the premiere, to see how he reacted to the laugh that line got.
I think it was meant to bring sexual connotations to the table.

Obviously, but was it meant to be a parody, if it was, then why? It wasn't the only moment my theatre burst laughing. I thought this was supposed to scare us shitless, like the promo interviews suggest.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: NickisSmart on May 13, 2017, 01:33:09 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: Snake on May 13, 2017, 10:55:25 AMThe best iteration of the xenomorph so far imo.

Apart from the fact it was an idiot.

It looked good, but it wasn't portrayed as a particularly intelligent creature.

The xeno's never been terribly bright, in the series. The smartest of the whole bunch is the Queen, and she's not a rocket scientist.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 01:40:06 PM
Quote from: Fire Marshall Bill on May 13, 2017, 01:14:49 PM
Quote from: Dill-On on May 13, 2017, 12:01:55 PM
1] Alien3, Alien
2] Aliens
3] Alien: Resurrection
4] Covenant

-] Prometheus should not exist

At least I feel like they got rid of Engeeners from the genesis of xenomorph.
It's good! I miss my old, good Space Jockeys designed by H.R. Giger.
David and Walter are the best part of this new film.
I don't understand why chesburster has legs? What is the purpose?
I treat this new movie as a spin-off, not a prequel.
Too naive - like some stories from comic books in this universe.
Design of neomorph is poor. Sorry.
However, It's still pretty enjoyable movie and I would like to see it again. Soon.
It's still could be better. Then I would like to buy Blu-Ray.
But I don't want to.

The fact that you have alien resurrection as the 3rd best in the franchise, and have a problem with the creatures in covenant, yet they clearly look better than the white halfbreed baby alien in resurrection not to mention ripely had a jump shot lol...I haven't even seen covenant and I already know it has to be either 3rd or 4th best of the series. But hey to each his own....resurrection is borderline horrible imo

He's far from being the only one who liked A:R more than Covenant. They are both very oddball films, but Resurrection is better in some ways and is a more coherent movie overall. The creatures are awful in both, Covenant has more detailed cgi but unlike A:C. Resurrection had some practical aliens. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 900SL on May 13, 2017, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 13, 2017, 01:33:09 PM

The xeno's never been terribly bright, in the series. The smartest of the whole bunch is the Queen, and she's not a rocket scientist.

Actually, that's in the next screeplay. The Queen starts an Alien NASA. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Fire Marshall Bill on May 13, 2017, 02:31:31 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 01:40:06 PM
Quote from: Fire Marshall Bill on May 13, 2017, 01:14:49 PM
Quote from: Dill-On on May 13, 2017, 12:01:55 PM
1] Alien3, Alien
2] Aliens
3] Alien: Resurrection
4] Covenant

-] Prometheus should not exist

At least I feel like they got rid of Engeeners from the genesis of xenomorph.
It's good! I miss my old, good Space Jockeys designed by H.R. Giger.
David and Walter are the best part of this new film.
I don't understand why chesburster has legs? What is the purpose?
I treat this new movie as a spin-off, not a prequel.
Too naive - like some stories from comic books in this universe.
Design of neomorph is poor. Sorry.
However, It's still pretty enjoyable movie and I would like to see it again. Soon.
It's still could be better. Then I would like to buy Blu-Ray.
But I don't want to.

The fact that you have alien resurrection as the 3rd best in the franchise, and have a problem with the creatures in covenant, yet they clearly look better than the white halfbreed baby alien in resurrection not to mention ripely had a jump shot lol...I haven't even seen covenant and I already know it has to be either 3rd or 4th best of the series. But hey to each his own....resurrection is borderline horrible imo

He's far from being the only one who liked A:R more than Covenant. They are both very oddball films, but Resurrection is better in some ways and is a more coherent movie overall. The creatures are awful in both, Covenant has more detailed cgi but unlike A:C. Resurrection had some practical aliens.

I dunno man, guess it all depends on what you like. Resurrection imo was laughable at best. From the dumb concept of cloning Ripley, to the characters it seemed more like a riddick movie or something than part of the alien franchise. Not one second of suspense. Not to mention Ripleys clone acted nothing like ripely its as if they just brought her along cus they feared continuing the franchise without her character. And again, no suspense or scary moments at all. Def have to disagree with you on all parts concerning that movie. IMO it's down there with avp requiem. Should've never been made. Only positive about resurrection was Ron pearlman
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: MrRipley on May 13, 2017, 02:36:49 PM
Another problem is juicy trailer footage not seen in the film.

The edited Shower scene,The Rosenthal scream the 1 bit I was waiting for and in 2 seconds we are into the next scene,the red corridor and the last supper footage,all would have added to this film.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
Quote from: Fire Marshall Bill on May 13, 2017, 02:31:31 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 01:40:06 PM
Quote from: Fire Marshall Bill on May 13, 2017, 01:14:49 PM
Quote from: Dill-On on May 13, 2017, 12:01:55 PM
1] Alien3, Alien
2] Aliens
3] Alien: Resurrection
4] Covenant

-] Prometheus should not exist

At least I feel like they got rid of Engeeners from the genesis of xenomorph.
It's good! I miss my old, good Space Jockeys designed by H.R. Giger.
David and Walter are the best part of this new film.
I don't understand why chesburster has legs? What is the purpose?
I treat this new movie as a spin-off, not a prequel.
Too naive - like some stories from comic books in this universe.
Design of neomorph is poor. Sorry.
However, It's still pretty enjoyable movie and I would like to see it again. Soon.
It's still could be better. Then I would like to buy Blu-Ray.
But I don't want to.

The fact that you have alien resurrection as the 3rd best in the franchise, and have a problem with the creatures in covenant, yet they clearly look better than the white halfbreed baby alien in resurrection not to mention ripely had a jump shot lol...I haven't even seen covenant and I already know it has to be either 3rd or 4th best of the series. But hey to each his own....resurrection is borderline horrible imo

He's far from being the only one who liked A:R more than Covenant. They are both very oddball films, but Resurrection is better in some ways and is a more coherent movie overall. The creatures are awful in both, Covenant has more detailed cgi but unlike A:C. Resurrection had some practical aliens.

I dunno man, guess it all depends on what you like. Resurrection imo was laughable at best. From the dumb concept of cloning Ripley, to the characters it seemed more like a riddick movie or something than part of the alien franchise. Not one second of suspense. Not to mention Ripleys clone acted nothing like ripely its as if they just brought her along cus they feared continuing the franchise without her character. And again, no suspense or scary moments at all. Def have to disagree with you on all parts concerning that movie. IMO it's down there with avp requiem. Should've never been made. Only positive about resurrection was Ron pearlman

Yep, it depends but please don't put the A:R on the same level with AVP:R. The latter was so bad i couldn't even make it to the half point of the movie. Ripleys clone not acting like Ripley was kind of the idea, it would have been far worse the other way.
To me A:R is not really an alien movie but as a spinoff, it's a quilty pleasure of sorts. In it's defence i thought that the pacing and suspense, the cast, the music and the overall visual style was better than in Covenant, it had some strong moments. The aliens were stupid afterthought in both of them and at least the newborn made me feel a little uneasy. And not to mention that Jenuet is a very good director and his handprints are all over the movie.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ingwar on May 13, 2017, 03:24:55 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
To me A:R is not really an alien movie but as a spinoff, it's a quilty pleasure of sorts. In it's defence i thought that the pacing and suspense, the cast, the music and the overall visual style was better than in Covenant, it had some strong moments. The aliens were stupid afterthought in both of them and at least the newborn made me feel a little uneasy. And not to mention that Jenuet is a very good director and his handprints are all over the movie.

Agree. Jean-Pierre Jeunet did better job that Scott in Covenant. I like his dark comedy and grotesque approach.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ja on May 13, 2017, 03:33:11 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 13, 2017, 03:24:55 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
To me A:R is not really an alien movie but as a spinoff, it's a quilty pleasure of sorts. In it's defence i thought that the pacing and suspense, the cast, the music and the overall visual style was better than in Covenant, it had some strong moments. The aliens were stupid afterthought in both of them and at least the newborn made me feel a little uneasy. And not to mention that Jenuet is a very good director and his handprints are all over the movie.

Agree. Jean-Pierre Jeunet did better job that Scott in Covenant. I like his dark comedy and grotesque approach.

There is another thing. Soundtrack to Alien Resurrection is far superior to the one in Alien Covenant
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 03:46:19 PM
Quote from: Ja on May 13, 2017, 03:33:11 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 13, 2017, 03:24:55 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
To me A:R is not really an alien movie but as a spinoff, it's a quilty pleasure of sorts. In it's defence i thought that the pacing and suspense, the cast, the music and the overall visual style was better than in Covenant, it had some strong moments. The aliens were stupid afterthought in both of them and at least the newborn made me feel a little uneasy. And not to mention that Jenuet is a very good director and his handprints are all over the movie.

Agree. Jean-Pierre Jeunet did better job that Scott in Covenant. I like his dark comedy and grotesque approach.

There is another thing. Soundtrack to Alien Resurrection is far superior to the one in Alien Covenant

That's why i included music  ;) Most of the music was almost straight lifted, i kept thinking why is there Alien music in this movie.
The only original music i remember were the sappy melanchonic piano melodies that would fit right in 7th Heaven, i wanted to throw up. The pulsating throbbing and wailing worked well, but again it was Alien remixed.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Fire Marshall Bill on May 13, 2017, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
Quote from: Fire Marshall Bill on May 13, 2017, 02:31:31 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 01:40:06 PM
Quote from: Fire Marshall Bill on May 13, 2017, 01:14:49 PM
Quote from: Dill-On on May 13, 2017, 12:01:55 PM
1] Alien3, Alien
2] Aliens
3] Alien: Resurrection
4] Covenant

-] Prometheus should not exist

At least I feel like they got rid of Engeeners from the genesis of xenomorph.
It's good! I miss my old, good Space Jockeys designed by H.R. Giger.
David and Walter are the best part of this new film.
I don't understand why chesburster has legs? What is the purpose?
I treat this new movie as a spin-off, not a prequel.
Too naive - like some stories from comic books in this universe.
Design of neomorph is poor. Sorry.
However, It's still pretty enjoyable movie and I would like to see it again. Soon.
It's still could be better. Then I would like to buy Blu-Ray.
But I don't want to.

The fact that you have alien resurrection as the 3rd best in the franchise, and have a problem with the creatures in covenant, yet they clearly look better than the white halfbreed baby alien in resurrection not to mention ripely had a jump shot lol...I haven't even seen covenant and I already know it has to be either 3rd or 4th best of the series. But hey to each his own....resurrection is borderline horrible imo

He's far from being the only one who liked A:R more than Covenant. They are both very oddball films, but Resurrection is better in some ways and is a more coherent movie overall. The creatures are awful in both, Covenant has more detailed cgi but unlike A:C. Resurrection had some practical aliens.

I dunno man, guess it all depends on what you like. Resurrection imo was laughable at best. From the dumb concept of cloning Ripley, to the characters it seemed more like a riddick movie or something than part of the alien franchise. Not one second of suspense. Not to mention Ripleys clone acted nothing like ripely its as if they just brought her along cus they feared continuing the franchise without her character. And again, no suspense or scary moments at all. Def have to disagree with you on all parts concerning that movie. IMO it's down there with avp requiem. Should've never been made. Only positive about resurrection was Ron pearlman

Yep, it depends but please don't put the A:R on the same level with AVP:R. The latter was so bad i couldn't even make it to the half point of the movie. Ripleys clone not acting like Ripley was kind of the idea, it would have been far worse the other way.
To me A:R is not really an alien movie but as a spinoff, it's a quilty pleasure of sorts. In it's defence i thought that the pacing and suspense, the cast, the music and the overall visual style was better than in Covenant, it had some strong moments. The aliens were stupid afterthought in both of them and at least the newborn made me feel a little uneasy. And not to mention that Jenuet is a very good director and his handprints are all over the movie.

Bruh, it may be a spinoff to you but it's a direct sequel after alien 3. It's just a horrible movie period. Honestly as far as the score being better in resurrection than covenant, that doesn't bother me in the slightest honestly, I'm there to watch movie not listen to soundtrack. How did the newborn giant white alien making baby noises make you feel uneasy??! Not to mention it just crushes Charles lee ray's(the real chucky) for gore purposes only. Ripley although supposed to act different was really a boring character. She had no business being in the movie, its kinda like a soap opera when a character gets killed off the show cus they leave the show but then a year later get a new contract and then get bogusly written back into the show even though they clearly died last year. If they wanted to make a sequel to alien 3 it shoulda been a completely new story and we people like Prometheus was. I feel like just from what I've seen from trailers and snippets it's head and shoulders above resurrection. Put it this way, if resurrection was released instead of covenant I think we'd be saying rip to the franchise right now


Not to mention that was the beginning of Xenia sounding like dragons.. lol
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: MightyViper on May 13, 2017, 05:32:15 PM
QuoteI'm with you, that starting scene was perfect. Weylands  ambivalence to David, his want of complete control of David. He's designed him to have an opinion, but he didn't want that opinion unless it suited him. And then the cut to the rehash of the original alien score and space. Just great.

Yeah I thought that was going to be terrible. Instead it was not only gorgeous, beautifully acted and weirdly tense, but set up the themes of the film and somehow made huge chunks of Prometheus about 800% more understandable. Pretty cool achievement.

I remember when I first watched Prometheus and thought - I just don't get why David is the way he is or what made him do that. That scene in particular (and other scenes too) made it so clear. I burst out laughing when I saw his face shift as Charlie tells him that they built him because they could and that it was good he couldn't feel disappointed. Great acting from Fassbender, and layering from Scott.

I just kind of wish Scott thought as much about the alien mythos/canon as he does about robots.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: BishopShouldGo on May 13, 2017, 05:41:45 PM
For the first time in franchise history, the robots are now important(and get first-billing) instead of just being incidental. We should've had a lot more Bishop. And Call should've been revealed to be a robot immediately, so we can see these two beautiful, less-than-human but powerful women go on this beautiful journey of self discovery against the backdrop of an action-horror film.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: reecebomb on May 13, 2017, 06:00:15 PM
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1] Alien3, Alien
2] Aliens
3] Alien: Resurrection
4] Covenant

-] Prometheus should not exist

At least I feel like they got rid of Engeeners from the genesis of xenomorph.
It's good! I miss my old, good Space Jockeys designed by H.R. Giger.
David and Walter are the best part of this new film.
I don't understand why chesburster has legs? What is the purpose?
I treat this new movie as a spin-off, not a prequel.
Too naive - like some stories from comic books in this universe.
Design of neomorph is poor. Sorry.
However, It's still pretty enjoyable movie and I would like to see it again. Soon.
It's still could be better. Then I would like to buy Blu-Ray.
But I don't want to.

The fact that you have alien resurrection as the 3rd best in the franchise, and have a problem with the creatures in covenant, yet they clearly look better than the white halfbreed baby alien in resurrection not to mention ripely had a jump shot lol...I haven't even seen covenant and I already know it has to be either 3rd or 4th best of the series. But hey to each his own....resurrection is borderline horrible imo

He's far from being the only one who liked A:R more than Covenant. They are both very oddball films, but Resurrection is better in some ways and is a more coherent movie overall. The creatures are awful in both, Covenant has more detailed cgi but unlike A:C. Resurrection had some practical aliens.

I dunno man, guess it all depends on what you like. Resurrection imo was laughable at best. From the dumb concept of cloning Ripley, to the characters it seemed more like a riddick movie or something than part of the alien franchise. Not one second of suspense. Not to mention Ripleys clone acted nothing like ripely its as if they just brought her along cus they feared continuing the franchise without her character. And again, no suspense or scary moments at all. Def have to disagree with you on all parts concerning that movie. IMO it's down there with avp requiem. Should've never been made. Only positive about resurrection was Ron pearlman

Yep, it depends but please don't put the A:R on the same level with AVP:R. The latter was so bad i couldn't even make it to the half point of the movie. Ripleys clone not acting like Ripley was kind of the idea, it would have been far worse the other way.
To me A:R is not really an alien movie but as a spinoff, it's a quilty pleasure of sorts. In it's defence i thought that the pacing and suspense, the cast, the music and the overall visual style was better than in Covenant, it had some strong moments. The aliens were stupid afterthought in both of them and at least the newborn made me feel a little uneasy. And not to mention that Jenuet is a very good director and his handprints are all over the movie.

Bruh, it may be a spinoff to you but it's a direct sequel after alien 3. It's just a horrible movie period. Honestly as far as the score being better in resurrection than covenant, that doesn't bother me in the slightest honestly, I'm there to watch movie not listen to soundtrack. How did the newborn giant white alien making baby noises make you feel uneasy??! Not to mention it just crushes Charles lee ray's(the real chucky) for gore purposes only. Ripley although supposed to act different was really a boring character. She had no business being in the movie, its kinda like a soap opera when a character gets killed off the show cus they leave the show but then a year later get a new contract and then get bogusly written back into the show even though they clearly died last year. If they wanted to make a sequel to alien 3 it shoulda been a completely new story and we people like Prometheus was. I feel like just from what I've seen from trailers and snippets it's head and shoulders above resurrection. Put it this way, if resurrection was released instead of covenant I think we'd be saying rip to the franchise right now


Not to mention that was the beginning of Xenia sounding like dragons.. lol

Each to their own.  Not saying that bringing Ripley back from the dead isn't stupid, but that aside A:R is a more coherent film. Newborns death scene was more imaginative and disturbing than any death in Covenant. And i believe A:R is even gorier film, but off course that doesn't make it better.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Marcus9000 on May 13, 2017, 06:36:25 PM
Quote from: juxtapose on May 12, 2017, 02:40:44 AM
covenant is still holding on strong after 90 reviews. .currently sitting at 77 on rt

To be honest Rotten Tomatoes means nothing.


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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SentryGun on May 13, 2017, 07:57:16 PM
In a very brief way. I was quite cynical going into Covenant. I have a strong dislike for Prometheus. But to my surprise, I really enjoyed Covenant. Yes there were some plot holes and things I didn't agree with but I still found it hugely watchable and entertaining. Can't wait to see it again.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Dill-On on May 13, 2017, 08:01:21 PM
I agree with reecebomb.
By the way - Newborn is much better than Neomorph.
At least he isn't natural so we have explanation why it isn't that great, but still quite creepy and original beast.
Neomorph looks and behave like hundreds of creatures from different movies. It's cheap.

Time to admit that Alien: Resurection was bad... but only in comparition to previous ALIEN movies!
Welcome to 2017. Next to AVP, AVP:R, Prometheus and Covenant this movie is a f**** masterpiece (I'm joking but you know what I mean).

If it comes to creature design, Xenomorphs from Ressurection lost their biomechanical structure :( but they are dark, strong and I like how they sound. Finally Xenomorphs growl like something dangerous, bigger than a tiger. Bass, low voice. Screaming? It's job for humans. ;)



Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: The Crusher on May 13, 2017, 08:01:59 PM
I think Covenant was good, rating it 4 out of 5. It seemed a bit too fast, to be honest it could have ran for another 2 hours at that pace, which I would have preferred. Loved seeing the xenomorph again, he's the boss. The other aliens are awesome too. This film has now opened up new pathways for the dark horse comics to expand on. Brilliant. I must admit I need to watch this film alot more for it all to sink in.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Dill-On on May 13, 2017, 08:14:17 PM
Quote from: SentryGun on May 13, 2017, 07:57:16 PM
In a very brief way. I was quite cynical going into Covenant. I have a strong dislike for Prometheus. But to my surprise, I really enjoyed Covenant. Yes there were some plot holes and things I didn't agree with but I still found it hugely watchable and entertaining. Can't wait to see it again.

Actually I agree. 100%. I haven't huge expectations, this is why I enjoyed the movie in cinema.
However, it still too weak in comparison to 4 classic movies.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 13, 2017, 08:25:45 PM
So, from being a universally hated movie, Alien: Resurrection is Ok now? I can bet that the same will happen with Covenant. Just give it more time and upcoming movies :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Semaka on May 13, 2017, 08:29:48 PM
Here is my review, unfortunately it is in Romanian, but I know there are Romanian fans here and maybe they want to have a look. (If I am breaking any rules, I appologize in advance, and you can delete this post):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nly8AoeHpZA&t=1s
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ja on May 13, 2017, 08:32:59 PM
Mark Kermode's review

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hemi on May 13, 2017, 08:33:41 PM
Wow... Did not expect this "haters gonna hate" outcome on the poll, as reactions on the boards were negative. Nice.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: ReluctantNerd on May 13, 2017, 08:36:24 PM
Watched it yesterday and to my surprise I liked it a lot. I think Ridley really went all out on this one and he really gave us f*cking aliens...
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While the movie didn't exactly clean up all of Prometheus' mess it managed to make me forget about it by just being fast and furious. David explains that the black goo is volatile and came in many forms, good enough for me, on with the show. This movie is cruel, nihilistic and very self aware. I think the birth of the xenomorph scene, with it's little "I love you daddy" dance was a cool meta joke, Ridley saying: "you want it? Here it is!". The thing stretches triumphantly and even seems to smile. It's grotesque in the best possible way. David breaking the fourth wall with his flute, his campy dialogue, his chamber of horrors, it's all B-movie madness and I'm actually surprised all this craziness ended up on the big screen in a blockbuster like this. And you just get hit over the head, or should I say on the nose right from the start with it's creation theme, starting with David and Weyland's conversation and continuing with David's megalomaniac adolescent speeches. In many ways this movie is probably at least as ridiculous as Prometheus but while I can't stand that movie I didn't mind those aspects here. Someone rated this movie earlier in WTF's, well I'll give it 8 out of 10 WTF's then. It's Ridley cynically doing his job as ordered by the studios and not giving a f**k, just getting on with it and throwing in some of his pet themes here and there. And it works for me, strangely. It's a dark fantasy film, not sci fi, and I'm OK with that.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Dill-On on May 13, 2017, 08:36:42 PM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 13, 2017, 08:25:45 PM
So, from being a universally hated movie, Alien: Resurrection is Ok now? I can bet that the same will happen with Covenant. Just give it more time and upcoming movies :laugh:

I always liked that movie in the same way like today. ;)
It's just very bad situation that new movies are worse than level of Resurrection.
It should be a border.

Anyway, I laughed that you are trying to scare us with vision of new, even worse movies in the future!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Rafael S. on May 13, 2017, 08:40:19 PM
I enjoyed the briefness of the Alien. The scenes were you do get to contemplate the creature, are amazing and reveal what is necessary for you to get the idea of the distorted sexualized humanoid you have to deal with. Other movies over exploited the shots of the creature to show just how cool of a bug, or nasty, are the xenomporphs.
Now, regarding its intelligence, I believe it is being determined by the fact it was killed too early on. For all considerations, the fact that Covenant xenomorphs act on mostly pure visceral anger, its even more disturbing than xenomorphs with a PhD in Logics.   
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Jonesy1974 on May 13, 2017, 08:48:01 PM
Well I've finally seen it and I loved it. I can see why some don't but for me it was the best since aliens. It definitely isn't perfect by any means but I really liked the dark, nihilistic tone of the film and as expected from Ridley it looks beautiful.

Didn't find it scary in the slightest but I'm not convinced 6 films down the line it's possible to make the Alien scare anymore but it was definatley thrilling.

I thought the back/throatburster sequence was probably the best scene in any alien film since lambert and Parker were introduced to the Xeno.

Also loved the opening scene with Weyland, I'm not sure why but it felt really uneasy and tense to me.

Fassbender was outstanding and I really liked all the characters who were given a chance to make an impression. Daniels was the heart of the film, I really like her and Orams characters, in particular when they discussed investigating the planet. Tennessee was great value too.

I wasn't keen on the birthing scene with the arms up and even though I wasn't a fan of shaw I found her discovery a bit meh.

Loved the end when Daniels realised it's David, she really pulled off the horror of her predicament but it was a terrible shame it was so obvious to the audience David had switched.

And the alien at last standing tall again was a highlight.

They really need to stop given up so much of these films in the trailers though. The original alien trailer is one of the greatest ever now they just show you the whole bloody film.

4 out of 5 for me and can't wait to see it again.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: MightyViper on May 13, 2017, 08:51:55 PM
Quote from: Hemi on May 13, 2017, 08:33:41 PM
Wow... Did not expect this "haters gonna hate" outcome on the poll, as reactions on the boards were negative. Nice.

Thing is, the people who loathed something are always gonna be way louder/more visible than those who don't. Particularly in the core of a fandom. It's the reason why SW fans convinced themselves everyone hated TFA, when quite obviously the vast majority at the very least liked it.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: TheBATMAN on May 13, 2017, 09:00:44 PM
The opening prologue with Weyland is absolutely fantastic. I love how Weyland is so proud of his perfect creation and boasts about human ingenuity and design in a room filled with great works of art, only for David to completely turn the tables by pointing out humanity's frailties and realising that he is in fact superior to his creator. This revelation leaves the all-arrogant Weyland coldly silent. It's wonderful, and then the classic music and hieroglyph title card gave me goosebumps.

Then the rest of the movie happened.

On the whole I can't find a better word other than 'okay.' The most disappointing thing for me was there was just no suspense throughout the entire thing. The 'climax' on board the Covenant was absolutely woeful. The alien itself aside from a few shots looked disappointing in its digital incarnation, though I did love the close-up shots of the side of its head. It's finally the right size again.

I did like the music though. I thought the theme that played when the chestburster emerged was really good. Putting aside the comedic hands in the air scene, the music actually made it come across as quite emotional watching Oram give birth to the progenitor of 38 years of franchise history.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: prometheusfire08 on May 13, 2017, 09:07:20 PM
ffs

David plays the EXACT same tune in prometheus.......

it's the engineers theme ......
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Randomizer on May 13, 2017, 09:10:04 PM
Quote from: Semaka on May 13, 2017, 08:29:48 PM
Here is my review, unfortunately it is in Romanian, but I know there are Romanian fans here and maybe they want to have a look. (If I am breaking any rules, I appologize in advance, and you can delete this post):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nly8AoeHpZA&t=1s

Uh, hello ! We don't see each other often around here (in fact we barely do) !  :laugh:

I'm in a bit of a disagreement when it comes to having English titles for non-English videos. Could've at least used a subtle "Film Review" if you know what I mean.

Overall it was a solid review. Thanks for clearing it up. I have low expectations for this movie and didn't know what to expect.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Jonesy1974 on May 13, 2017, 09:17:48 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on May 13, 2017, 09:00:44 PM
The opening prologue with Weyland is absolutely fantastic. I love how Weyland is so proud of his perfect creation and boasts about human ingenuity and design in a room filled with great works of art, only for David to completely turn the tables by pointing out humanity's frailties and realising that he is in fact superior to his creator. This revelation leaves the all-arrogant Weyland coldly silent. It's wonderful, and then the classic music and hieroglyph title card gave me goosebumps.

Then the rest of the movie happened.

On the whole I can't find a better word other than 'okay.' The most disappointing thing for me was there was just no suspense throughout the entire thing. The 'climax' on board the Covenant was absolutely woeful. The alien itself aside from a few shots looked disappointing in its digital incarnation, though I did love the close-up shots of the side of its head. It's finally the right size again.

I did like the music though. I thought the theme that played when the chestburster emerged was really good. Putting aside the comedic hands in the air scene, the music actually made it come across as quite emotional watching Oram give birth to the progenitor of 38 years of franchise history.

I liked the film on a whole more than you but definatey agree on the opening scene, it's full  of underlying tension. Your right about the birthing scene too but god knows why we had the silly comedy hands, talk about killing the moment!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Dan2004 on May 13, 2017, 09:51:38 PM
Just watched -  not happy

Cons

Way too long character building
Slaughtered everyone within minutes
Too many different monsters
Very predictable
Kill scenes way too fast
End scene very predictable
Talking to Aliens FFS

Pros
David
Xeno CGI impressed me beyond expectation
Bombing scene nicely done - just slightly quick

Overall if you're expecting Alien type Ridley (Dark corners hunting down crew slowly and in a scary unpredictable manor) forget it. If he makes another and it's anything like this - Game over man
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 13, 2017, 10:52:17 PM
Quote from: Dan2004 on May 13, 2017, 09:51:38 PM
Just watched -  not happy

Cons

Way too long character building
Slaughtered everyone within minutes
Too many different monsters
Very predictable
Kill scenes way too fast
End scene very predictable
Talking to Aliens FFS

Pros
David
Xeno CGI impressed me beyond expectation
Bombing scene nicely done - just slightly quick

Overall if you're expecting Alien type Ridley (Dark corners hunting down crew slowly and in a scary unpredictable manor) forget it. If he makes another and it's anything like this - Game over man

Thanks for the review....but really, are they showing two different versions of the film at different cinemas??? You praise the CGI, others praise it, then others say its jarringly bad...Some say the characters are well fleshed out,others say we get hardly any character development.

I know everyone has their opinions and that is fine...its just funny how all over the place the fan AND official reviews are. On the plus side, since everyone's reviews keep cancelling each other out, I have no idea what to expect on the 18th when I see it  :)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: MightyViper on May 13, 2017, 11:29:17 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 13, 2017, 10:52:17 PM
Quote from: Dan2004 on May 13, 2017, 09:51:38 PM
Just watched -  not happy

Cons

Way too long character building
Slaughtered everyone within minutes
Too many different monsters
Very predictable
Kill scenes way too fast
End scene very predictable
Talking to Aliens FFS

Pros
David
Xeno CGI impressed me beyond expectation
Bombing scene nicely done - just slightly quick

Overall if you're expecting Alien type Ridley (Dark corners hunting down crew slowly and in a scary unpredictable manor) forget it. If he makes another and it's anything like this - Game over man

Thanks for the review....but really, are they showing two different versions of the film at different cinemas??? You praise the CGI, others praise it, then others say its jarringly bad...Some say the characters are well fleshed out,others say we get hardly any character development.

I know everyone has their opinions and that is fine...its just funny how all over the place the fan AND official reviews are. On the plus side, since everyone's reviews keep cancelling each other out, I have no idea what to expect on the 18th when I see it  :)


Well, to some most CGI is jarringly bad.

But for others, Alien 3 CGI is jarringly bad and everything else varies from okay to fantastic.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: T Dog on May 13, 2017, 11:33:40 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 13, 2017, 10:52:17 PM
Quote from: Dan2004 on May 13, 2017, 09:51:38 PM
Just watched -  not happy

Cons

Way too long character building
Slaughtered everyone within minutes
Too many different monsters
Very predictable
Kill scenes way too fast
End scene very predictable
Talking to Aliens FFS

Pros
David
Xeno CGI impressed me beyond expectation
Bombing scene nicely done - just slightly quick

Overall if you're expecting Alien type Ridley (Dark corners hunting down crew slowly and in a scary unpredictable manor) forget it. If he makes another and it's anything like this - Game over man

Thanks for the review....but really, are they showing two different versions of the film at different cinemas??? You praise the CGI, others praise it, then others say its jarringly bad...Some say the characters are well fleshed out,others say we get hardly any character development.

I know everyone has their opinions and that is fine...its just funny how all over the place the fan AND official reviews are. On the plus side, since everyone's reviews keep cancelling each other out, I have no idea what to expect on the 18th when I see it  :)
The creature CGI is not good. It looks weightless when neomorphs and creates the modern issue of "lets show more because we can" which leads to more ropey cgi shots. The fully grown xeno actually moved much better than the neos but by god was its birth sequence hilarious, it looked like it was gonna start singing and dancing "new york new york".
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 13, 2017, 11:34:29 PM
Alien 3 had puppets . only had 1 shot cg
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Marash on May 14, 2017, 12:08:20 AM
Ok then, this review is so very full of spoilers. So if you're reading this, you've seen the film!

Fassbender was excellent! He does creepy so very well and both David and Walter were wonderfully similar while being polar opposites. It was kind of obvious how it was going to end though and raised the first of my inner nerd questions. "How did David know to store embryos in the correctly sized/packaged way for loading to Covenant?"

From the moment David cut his hair, it was telegraphing the inevitable swap. Just saying.

Onto the rest of the cast. In an appropriate word, expendable. With the exception of Daniels, none of the rest of the crew engendered any feeling of empathy, even Tenessee. If a Xenomorph was headbutting the window in front of me, I'd be doing something a little more than saying "woah".

The rest of this rant will be my inner nerd screaming, I'd apologise, but I figure, if you're reading this, you're probably exactly the same as me.

David creates the Xenomorph from experiments with Neomorph DNA? Where the hell did he get the eggs from? Why did he take a backward step in creating facehuggers when the spore is a much better method of infection? We're expected to buy 10 years of backstory from a 2 minute clip? Bring out the extended edition or die in shame!

If Shaw was the one singing John Denver and piloting the ship, when/why/how did she rebuild David given that the ship they took from Prometheus was a different one from the ship David was decapitated on?!

Why did the newborn Xenomorph interact with David? Supposedly recognises him as creator? Bollox, it would have run or attacked him, not performed some sort of bullshit mime act.

And the final nail in the canonical coffin, yes we all know that Xenomorph maturation rates are pretty much as variable as you like, however, the one that pops in the med bay must have been on all kinds of shit to go from infant to full adult pretty much in the time in takes Daniels to get to the bay! The whole 3rd act felt rushed to me. Some great action sequences that should have been drawn out giving some time for the Alien to grow and start hunting and people to realise how screwed they are. Ripley spent the best part of 2 hours being terrorised by the original before finally blowing it out the airlock. Daniels goes from scared to murderous in 3 minutes and happily gets into close quarters with it to achieve the same effect......Massive lady balls or rushed story telling? You decide.

Oh and before I give this the inevitable thumbs up that you know are coming. Ya canny defy the laws of physics! Yes I know Xenomorphs are vacuum resistant but that bastard jumped through space (hard vacuum with no momentum) and managed to get back on the ship?! Bollox to you Einstein and Newton, what do you know? Silicon based lifeforms scoff at your assumptions on action/reaction. Air and multi ton equipment heading out to space? I shall simply use my strength, pointy claws and can do attitude to piss all over that! If only Ripley's alien had the same ability, I can only think he didn't want it enough.

Gripes aside, it's a bloody good romp and a worthy addition to the series. You knock Mr Scott at your peril and the man knows his stuff. I will be waiting for the extended or directors cut to prove my points, this film delivers atmosphere and scares for the newby and initiated alike. Supposedly sets up the sequel but seeing as the survivors are completely at David's mercy, that's a short and gory film!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bacchus on May 14, 2017, 12:12:12 AM
Quote from: szkoki on May 13, 2017, 11:34:29 PM
Alien 3 had puppets . only had 1 shot cg

You mean 1 CG sequence right? Pretty much all of the sequence at the end involving the Xeno chasing people through the corridors and locking the doors etc was CG, at least 3 minutes worth.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Alien³ on May 14, 2017, 12:43:23 AM
Just got back from my second viewing of Covenant. Loved it even more.

I noticed so many details this time around.

Quote from: bacchus on May 14, 2017, 12:12:12 AM
You mean 1 CG sequence right? Pretty much all of the sequence at the end involving the Xeno chasing people through the corridors and locking the doors etc was CG, at least 3 minutes worth.

The only CG shot in Alien 3 is the cracks running down the head when the alien is splashed with water. All the shots of it running down the corridors etc, is a rod-puppet added onto the footage.

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(https://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/default/yp517ba8f04e5720.32039130/Alien-3-Rod-puppet-Alien-head-Alien-3-5.jpg)
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: MightyViper on May 14, 2017, 01:06:40 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on May 14, 2017, 12:43:23 AM
Just got back from my second viewing of Covenant. Loved it even more.

I noticed so many details this time around.

Quote from: bacchus on May 14, 2017, 12:12:12 AM
You mean 1 CG sequence right? Pretty much all of the sequence at the end involving the Xeno chasing people through the corridors and locking the doors etc was CG, at least 3 minutes worth.

The only CG shot in Alien 3 is the cracks running down the head when the alien is splashed with water. All the shots of it running down the corridors etc, is a rod-puppet added onto the footage.

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This specifically was the CG I was thinking of:

QuoteTo finish the alternate cut, a shot of the infant Dragon running away from the carcass of its host was completed with a CGI version of the creature, as the sequence had originally been dropped from the film before the creature effects were added

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_3_Assembly_Cut

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 426Buddy on May 14, 2017, 01:09:33 AM
Quote from: MightyViper on May 14, 2017, 01:06:40 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on May 14, 2017, 12:43:23 AM
Just got back from my second viewing of Covenant. Loved it even more.

I noticed so many details this time around.

Quote from: bacchus on May 14, 2017, 12:12:12 AM
You mean 1 CG sequence right? Pretty much all of the sequence at the end involving the Xeno chasing people through the corridors and locking the doors etc was CG, at least 3 minutes worth.

The only CG shot in Alien 3 is the cracks running down the head when the alien is splashed with water. All the shots of it running down the corridors etc, is a rod-puppet added onto the footage.

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(https://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/default/yp517ba8f04e5720.32039130/Alien-3-Rod-puppet-Alien-head-Alien-3-5.jpg)
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This specifically was the CG I was thinking of:

QuoteTo finish the alternate cut, a shot of the infant Dragon running away from the carcass of its host was completed with a CGI version of the creature, as the sequence had originally been dropped from the film before the creature effects were added

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_3_Assembly_Cut

That cgi was done for the assembly cut in 2003
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: newagescamartist on May 14, 2017, 01:13:43 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 14, 2017, 01:09:33 AM
Quote from: MightyViper on May 14, 2017, 01:06:40 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on May 14, 2017, 12:43:23 AM
Just got back from my second viewing of Covenant. Loved it even more.

I noticed so many details this time around.

Quote from: bacchus on May 14, 2017, 12:12:12 AM
You mean 1 CG sequence right? Pretty much all of the sequence at the end involving the Xeno chasing people through the corridors and locking the doors etc was CG, at least 3 minutes worth.

The only CG shot in Alien 3 is the cracks running down the head when the alien is splashed with water. All the shots of it running down the corridors etc, is a rod-puppet added onto the footage.

Spoiler
(https://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/default/yp517ba8f04e5720.32039130/Alien-3-Rod-puppet-Alien-head-Alien-3-5.jpg)
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This specifically was the CG I was thinking of:

QuoteTo finish the alternate cut, a shot of the infant Dragon running away from the carcass of its host was completed with a CGI version of the creature, as the sequence had originally been dropped from the film before the creature effects were added

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_3_Assembly_Cut

That cgi was done for the assembly cut in 2003

Shame they couldn't of cleaned up the rest of the creature effects. Alien 3 is good, but the puppet effects are so so bad.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: MightyViper on May 14, 2017, 01:17:50 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 14, 2017, 01:09:33 AM
That cgi was done for the assembly cut in 2003

I never specified which cut of the film I was referring to.

I just gave the CGI in Alien 3 as an example of jarringly bad.

Which it is. It doesn't stop existing because some of the effects were puppets.

Or stop being bad because it's in just one of the cuts of the film.

That example is easily the worst CGI in any of the movies, bar none.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Clawson on May 14, 2017, 02:28:19 AM
Me and my girlfriend watched it yesterday, along with 2 other friends we dragged in the cinema and it was great and was quite shock on some things. I wouldn't give it a perfect score but sir Ridley Scott certainly gave us what most we wanted and to be honest I did leave the theater wanting more... which we'll probably see in a blu-ray release. I'm from the Philippines and it actually showed here at May 10, which I though was gonna show by May 19.

But, can't wait for the next one.  ;D

(But I wish they'd put to use the prototype Pulse Rifle in the next one lol)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: newagescamartist on May 14, 2017, 02:59:59 AM
Quote from: MightyViper on May 14, 2017, 01:17:50 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 14, 2017, 01:09:33 AM
That cgi was done for the assembly cut in 2003

I never specified which cut of the film I was referring to.

I just gave the CGI in Alien 3 as an example of jarringly bad.

Which it is. It doesn't stop existing because some of the effects were puppets.

Or stop being bad because it's in just one of the cuts of the film.

That example is easily the worst CGI in any of the movies, bar none.

I'm confused now. Most of the horrible creature fx shots were puppet shots. Can you link a youtube video of the shot(s) you're referring to? The bambi-burst shot is probably the best creature effect shot in the entire cut.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: MightyViper on May 14, 2017, 04:04:22 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 14, 2017, 02:59:59 AM
Quote from: MightyViper on May 14, 2017, 01:17:50 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 14, 2017, 01:09:33 AM
That cgi was done for the assembly cut in 2003

I never specified which cut of the film I was referring to.

I just gave the CGI in Alien 3 as an example of jarringly bad.

Which it is. It doesn't stop existing because some of the effects were puppets.

Or stop being bad because it's in just one of the cuts of the film.

That example is easily the worst CGI in any of the movies, bar none.

I'm confused now. Most of the horrible creature fx shots were puppet shots. Can you link a youtube video of the shot(s) you're referring to? The bambi-burst shot is probably the best creature effect shot in the entire cut.

I don't see how you can be, considering it's one of the only CGI moments in the film and I've already spelled out the exact thing I'm talking about.

Unless you haven't seen the assembly cut of Alien 3?

If so don't worry. Here's a link:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Gm-PbV5BE

Starts about 1.51 in, just so there's no further confusion.

Also I have no idea why you're mentioning terrible puppet shots again. I never said the puppet shots were good or bad. In fact, I didn't even mention them in my OP. I was comparing bad CGI to okay/good CGI. If you want to debate horrible puppetry talk to someone who actually raised it. If however you're just trying to claim that horrible blurry, jerky, barely looks like it's in the movie thing isn't jarringly bad...

Well lol we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: newagescamartist on May 14, 2017, 04:47:46 AM
Agree to diagree. That cgi shot is fine.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: MightyViper on May 14, 2017, 05:07:28 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 14, 2017, 04:47:46 AM
Agree to diagree. That cgi shot is fine.

Lol ok
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: newagescamartist on May 14, 2017, 05:10:26 AM
Quote from: MightyViper on May 14, 2017, 05:07:28 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 14, 2017, 04:47:46 AM
Agree to diagree. That cgi shot is fine.

Lol ok

;D
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Dan2004 on May 14, 2017, 05:56:14 AM
Quote from: T Dog on May 13, 2017, 11:33:40 PM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 13, 2017, 10:52:17 PM
Quote from: Dan2004 on May 13, 2017, 09:51:38 PM
Just watched -  not happy

Cons

Way too long character building
Slaughtered everyone within minutes
Too many different monsters
Very predictable
Kill scenes way too fast
End scene very predictable
Talking to Aliens FFS

Pros
David
Xeno CGI impressed me beyond expectation
Bombing scene nicely done - just slightly quick

Overall if you're expecting Alien type Ridley (Dark corners hunting down crew slowly and in a scary unpredictable manor) forget it. If he makes another and it's anything like this - Game over man

Thanks for the review....but really, are they showing two different versions of the film at different cinemas??? You praise the CGI, others praise it, then others say its jarringly bad...Some say the characters are well fleshed out,others say we get hardly any character development.

I know everyone has their opinions and that is fine...its just funny how all over the place the fan AND official reviews are. On the plus side, since everyone's reviews keep cancelling each other out, I have no idea what to expect on the 18th when I see it  :)
The creature CGI is not good. It looks weightless when neomorphs and creates the modern issue of "lets show more because we can" which leads to more ropey cgi shots. The fully grown xeno actually moved much better than the neos but by god was its birth sequence hilarious, it looked like it was gonna start singing and dancing "new york new york".

Something I've come to notice is you lot just don't absorb text.

It impressed me BEYOND my expectations. Seeing the tracking clip and the poor work with the back spikes not moving - the fact they corrected it was a slight improvement for the film.

The film was horrible. Xenos standing up playing heads shoulders knees and toes with David. Honestly what are we doing anymore. Pretty sure the first instinctive thing a xebo dis was run like hell following burst.

Garbage

End of.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: shakermakerman on May 14, 2017, 10:05:30 AM
This one made me chuckle https://youtu.be/a0McqvN-njU
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: p_w_s86 on May 14, 2017, 10:24:35 AM
Long time reader of the site - it's brilliant and I'm a huge fan of the franchise generally.

I also write as a fan of Prometheus.

After watching Covenant, I feel that Scott may have felt frustrated after Prometheus, not because the franchise had 'cooked' the Alien, but because his audience no longer wanted to be challenged by film.  The audience whinges about unanswered questions, having no patience to wait for a longer story to unfold must have affected his motivation for returning to the franchise.

The result is this film, where Scott ticks off every cliche in the (now literally created) book. 

It all starts well, with a set-up that introduces a great cast and draws you into its world - I was a huge fan of that.

However, once a foot is placed on the planet, the pace is relentless, cramming in an army of ideas into the rest of the movie.  Potentially stunning images flash by with no time to linger - for example, David's workshop.

My major gripes lie with the Aliens themselves though.  A scene where David calms and controls a Neomorph strips away nearly all of the mystery.  The chestburster sequence is rushed, and ridiculous - to film the Alien raising its arms to copy David, coupled with the music in that scene...surely it's visual sarcasm from Scott?  Surely it's him flicking the V's at those who simply wanted more Aliens with none of the challenge or risk that used to come with it. 

I'm not one of those fans who wants ideas to blend perfectly with the past - I say take liberties, change things, Cameron did.  The idea of David creating the Alien is a good one.  It's the execution of those ideas that make the film feel unsatisfying.

Overall, I wanted to love it.  I really wanted to.  But the breakneck pace, coupled with how Scott develops the Alien are film-breakers for me.  Behind closed doors, my belief is that Scott didn't, and still doesn't want to use the Alien.  A (metaphorical) gun was held against his head in these troubled franchised cinema times and he had to use them.  At times, you can feel Scott's bold ideas rubbing against those that feel studio/lunchbox/t-shirt selling ones.

Some will praise it just because it's an Alien film.  When I left the cinema, I was disappointed.  It's a sell-out - for all the wrong reasons.



Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Dan2004 on May 14, 2017, 11:19:40 AM
Quote from: p_w_s86 on May 14, 2017, 10:24:35 AM
Long time reader of the site - it's brilliant and I'm a huge fan of the franchise generally.

I also write as a fan of Prometheus.

After watching Covenant, I feel that Scott may have felt frustrated after Prometheus, not because the franchise had 'cooked' the Alien, but because his audience no longer wanted to be challenged by film.  The audience whinges about unanswered questions, having no patience to wait for a longer story to unfold must have affected his motivation for returning to the franchise.

The result is this film, where Scott ticks off every cliche in the (now literally created) book. 

It all starts well, with a set-up that introduces a great cast and draws you into its world - I was a huge fan of that.

However, once a foot is placed on the planet, the pace is relentless, cramming in an army of ideas into the rest of the movie.  Potentially stunning images flash by with no time to linger - for example, David's workshop.

My major gripes lie with the Aliens themselves though.  A scene where David calms and controls a Neomorph strips away nearly all of the mystery.  The chestburster sequence is rushed, and ridiculous - to film the Alien raising its arms to copy David, coupled with the music in that scene...surely it's visual sarcasm from Scott?  Surely it's him flicking the V's at those who simply wanted more Aliens with none of the challenge or risk that used to come with it. 

I'm not one of those fans who wants ideas to blend perfectly with the past - I say take liberties, change things, Cameron did.  The idea of David creating the Alien is a good one.  It's the execution of those ideas that make the film feel unsatisfying.

Overall, I wanted to love it.  I really wanted to.  But the breakneck pace, coupled with how Scott develops the Alien are film-breakers for me.  Behind closed doors, my belief is that Scott didn't, and still doesn't want to use the Alien.  A (metaphorical) gun was held against his head in these troubled franchised cinema times and he had to use them.  At times, you can feel Scott's bold ideas rubbing against those that feel studio/lunchbox/t-shirt selling ones.

Some will praise it just because it's an Alien film.  When I left the cinema, I was disappointed.  It's a sell-out - for all the wrong reasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVZUVeMtYXc

My thoughts exactly. Couldn't have put it better myself.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: motherfather on May 14, 2017, 11:28:17 AM
Im so glad somebody brought up the spaceballs alien. Because that is exactly the level the xeno has now been reduced to in my eyes. A caricature of its former great self.

I don't believe for one minute that the alien doesn't attack/destroy androids. It attacked a TV monitor for Petes sake,, so it can freaking well attack David, just like it did Bishop.

Actually, even facehugging David to give birth to a more mechanical/digital alien would have been better than the direction the ending finally took. And no - I don't believe David swallowed the facehugger embryos and that is why the chestburster spared him.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Purebreedalien on May 14, 2017, 11:34:27 AM
Without spoiling anything Alien: Covenant was very different to what I expected. I did enjoy it a lot but it was far more in depth than I expected, what with those big Prometheus questions and themes running throughout. I don't think there's any doubt in my mind that they dropped the ball making the majority of the creatures CGI because the effects already look bad in some places and far worse than those in Prometheus and even the first two Alien movies.
I should note that the self-important tone from Prometheus carries over into Covenant and that may turn away more casual viewers who are simply looking for body horror and bloodshed (or fans who loathed Prometheus). 

Alien: Covenant is definitely more of a Prometheus sequel than an Alien movie, although it still feels like the latter, in fact I'd highly recommend watching or re-watching Prometheus and its pre-release ancillary viral content before seeing Covenant. Your view on Prometheus will either make or break this movie for you. Personally I really enjoy the former and I very much enjoyed the scenes in Covenant where the bigger questions and themes are teased and prodded at.

Overall Alien: Covenant is a strong and at times a very tense movie and it felt very much like an Alien film which is pretty much what I wanted. It's a movie that will benefit from repeat viewings and I think that as part of the larger Alien prequel tapestry it is simply only the start. After all, big things have small beginnings.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Primordial on May 14, 2017, 11:46:45 AM
I wanted and I managed to avoid trailers, news, or any kind of reviews (still haven't read any yet). I knew about the synopsis, I knew there would be an explosion, I knew they were shooting in New Zealand, that is about it.

I'm not aware at all if everybody on the forum has watched it yet so I'll put the whole thing in spoiler tags. Things may be written as facts but they are mainly my opinion.

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Ok, straight to the point : Very disappointed overall to be honest.
Although this is just a movie, I was a bit in a state of shock the whole day and I'm still trying to process things right now. Sometimes, I just couldn't believe what I saw. I am saying that as a 'Prometheus' 'partisan'.
Not only had I to deal with this sense of void which last a couple of days every time after watching an alien movie in the theaters, regardless of its quality, but also had to deal for the first time with this thought that no more Alien movie would ever be a masterpiece again (I really wish I'm wrong), because 'Covenant' is really missing the point(s) of what made the original so special,

Here are some elements I would like to address :


Continuity with the previous movie :
Here is an important one, the smooth transition existing from 'Alien' to 'Aliens' and absent from 'Aliens' to 'Alien³' for example, no need to hold forth on that.
We are left at the end of 'Prometheus' with Elizabeth Shaw still searching for answers, after having displayed some extraordinary survival instincts and David helping by giving her a ride with a Juggernaut to the Engineers' homeworld, only to see that in the sequel she is dead a long time ago and David has become malevolent. (Was he already on LV-223 ? My take on that would be no, mainly because he saved the couple of doctors in the storm and waited Holloway's ''green light'' to give him that goo infected drink (that last bit was confirmed by Damon Lindelof's audio commentary) .. though I admit it is a debatable suject)
There is no denial that the path 'Covenant' took destabilized me. In spite of the synopsis, I secretly expected Shaw would have gone to another place after being on Paradise, or at least wouldn't have died because of David.
Yet, there was this beginning scene with young Weyland and David playing the piano, which I would qualify as almost perfect in every aspect, fitting undoubtely well with Promy but which also gives the premise of a change/adjustment of David's character.
Another point : I wasn't expecting that much talked about answer about why the Engineers changed their mind and wanted to 'wipe out' Earth. Unless I missed something, it isn't taken into account.
In 'Covenant', se saw the urns, we saw the holograms and the ship, but on a higher level, I can't say it is fluid with Promy.

Story :
Having the colony ship deciding to change course to have a look at an unknown planet, seems good.
Seeking for an unknown transmission, déjà vu but why not.
David experimenting all sorts of things, creating the alien but also killing everyone on the Engineer's homeworld ... ... ... enough said
David and Walter's interaction : very good some times, pushed a bit too far other times. Unneeded kiss, unneeded fight (or at least not in a Terminator/Super Heroes/[insert what you wish] fashion) unneeded twist at the end though I was open to witness a bad ending but not necessarily in this way.

Atmosphere :
When things feel too 'Hollywoodian' in the pejorative meaning, it is difficult to get immersed in the universe of the movie. Visuals are generally excellent but doesn't serve the atmosphere : for example the interior of the Covenant Ship, despite being beautiful, doesn't distinguish itself from another hollywoodian movie. It doesn't set anything for an unsettling experience like the Nostromo did.
Also, throwing in the mix some Alien score or Prometheus score (doesn't matter how great they are) give me the impression that whoever decided that seek safety.
Bet let's be positive a bit : The best moment would be as stated before, young Weyland and David in this white room and beautiful landscape in the back ground.
The departure from the planet when night was falling communicated good vibes too.
David arriving with the Juggernaut, sunlight behind him, before unleashing the goo was nice (I'm still talking about the atmosphere and not about David's action), as well as finding the crashed ship in the forest.
Seeing the planet from the ship when Tennessee was talking to Mother was excellent too.

Fear :
In 'Alien', I could resume the monster it in this way : ''it isn't there, but it is there''. And not only when the monster was onboard the Nostromo, it is true from the beginning of the film : figuratively speaking, this invisible death coming slowly, in a strange manner, but surely to you. That is why I find really special Bolaji Badejo screentest which materializes this in a great manner.
Here in 'Covenant', ''they are there, but they aren't''. Which is a terrible thing to say. I would never have wanted to reach such a conclusion. Even when they were present in front of your eyes, I did not feel any threat. No visceral scaryness. Surprizing fast moves are there but that should not be the core of an Alien movie.

Monsters :
Esthetically very nice to be fair but here again the motions are not in adequation with expectations, too Hollywoodian, and they are too present on screen.
David communicating with the alien should never had happened...
I'm not too keen either on that new way of impregnation.

Cast/Characterisation :
Call me harsh if you like but it would only be Katherine Waterston, speaking of the new cast, who would fit the alienverse. I'm very demanding on this element, but I can get that people would not understand what I mean. She really has something, something unexplainable coming from deep inside. Like Carry Henn, Lance Henriksen, Veronica Cartwright, Tom Skerritt, Charles Dance, Sigourney Weaver...had in the previous movies.
All the others played their part as they should, but do they really fit this particular universe ?
Pacing seemed quite fast therefore there wasn't much time to spend on charaterisation. No to mention that when it was the case, focus was given on David and Walter.


So here were my non-exhaustive 'first impressions'. As a NON-Alien movie, I would rate it 7,5 max but since it is not the case, I cannot give more than 6,75 placing it way below 'Alien', 'Aliens', 'Alien³', 'Prometheus' and slightly above 'Resurrection'.

I am sure there was a lot of work behind this movie and bashing it repeatedly or in an unfair manner like Promy was sometimes, is a highly questionnable thing to do, so out of respect for all the efforts that have been done and for the people who liked it, I'll surely refrain from doing the same. However, I can't help myself thinking that the balance between wanting to make money and taking true creative risks has been strongly corrupted in favour of the former.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 14, 2017, 12:42:45 PM
Can't we all just agree that Ridley did the best he could? C'mon let's face it. There will never be another movie like Alien(s). It was unprecendented for it's time and I believe it must be tough to keep reinventing the series after 5 films. The first three movies are classics and will never be surpassed.

And please stop complaining about cgi. Without it movies like Jurassic Park would never have had the same impact on audiences as they did. To be honest, animatronics or puppets can look just as fake. I believe Ridley is experienced enough to know if something works or not.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 14, 2017, 01:45:11 PM
. .their is nothing more fake looking than a guy in a suit. .it screams f**king CHEAP. .but if done right then it can look very realistic. .but it is unfortunately very extremely limited in terms of how much you can have it on screen. . .hence why in alien u saw so little of the creature. .i always till this day wanne see more of it. .and in aliens the soldiers and runners just did not look all that impressive all the time, queen was awesome tho. .except before she gets sucked out of the ship in the end. .she looked so super fake it was a f**king joke ..those arms looked like they were just flapping around . .love that movie despite the obvious practical effects in places. .and it's aged well. .extremely well. .but even alien 3 did a better job of the alien creature. .covenant to me after seeing numerous spots and the trailers. .the cgi looks breathtaking. .but i might change my mind after seeing it. .just saying. .man in a suit is not always better and loving prometheus as much as i did. .that animatrronic thing in the medpod also looked . .a bit spastic. .not bad but cgi would have looked way better. .
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Dan2004 on May 14, 2017, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 14, 2017, 12:42:45 PM
Can't we all just agree that Ridley did the best he could? C'mon let's face it. There will never be another movie like Alien(s). It was unprecendented for it's time and I believe it must be tough to keep reinventing the series after 5 films. The first three movies are classics and will never be surpassed.

And please stop complaining about cgi. Without it movies like Jurassic Park would never have had the same impact on audiences as they did. To be honest, animatronics or puppets can look just as fake. I believe Ridley is experienced enough to know if something works or not.

Please stop asking people not to voice an independent opinion after they paid good money to watch a move. This is the Fan Review section of the forum.

And no I don't believe Ridley did the best he could.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 14, 2017, 03:15:47 PM
. .i think Ridley gave more than is even healthy at his age. .just look at the HBO first look, and all the cast only speak of his passion and energy. .even if the script was maybe not up to everyones expectations. .from a visual stand of view their is only splendour. .or so i heard from people not just within this board. .and their was a guy in a suit. .but on his own with just the suit on, i don't think it would have been looking particularly realistic and other worldly enought. .especially with the xeno shot outside with it's entire profile visible,. .and it's way to angry to feel shy  . . But people always complain about cg. .till it's all practical and audiences just don't think it looks cool and then everybody will say. . Seriuosly. .why did he not just use CGI instead, fox and ridley are cheap sellouts. . It's just bizarre. .
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on May 14, 2017, 03:27:47 PM
I have to say that, in terms of Alien, the more practical effects the better. However, in some instances the filmmaker can never win. For example, it seemed that the majority of fans here preferred the CGI Fifield in Prometheus to the prosthetic one. This time, the criticisms are 'too many cgi aliens'...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 14, 2017, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Dan2004 on May 14, 2017, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 14, 2017, 12:42:45 PM
Can't we all just agree that Ridley did the best he could? C'mon let's face it. There will never be another movie like Alien(s). It was unprecendented for it's time and I believe it must be tough to keep reinventing the series after 5 films. The first three movies are classics and will never be surpassed.

And please stop complaining about cgi. Without it movies like Jurassic Park would never have had the same impact on audiences as they did. To be honest, animatronics or puppets can look just as fake. I believe Ridley is experienced enough to know if something works or not.

Please stop asking people not to voice an independent opinion after they paid good money to watch a move. This is the Fan Review section of the forum.

And no I don't believe Ridley did the best he could.

Fair enough. I just read your review and I disagree with nearly everything you wrote.
You really want another movie with aliens running down narrow corridors? It's been done to death so no thanks.

Also, I thought the scene where David was talking to the neomorph to be quite cool actually. They are animals after all, so why not.
At least it wasn't totally bonkers as in Jurassic world.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 14, 2017, 03:35:20 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 14, 2017, 03:27:47 PM
I have to say that, in terms of Alien, the more practical effects the better. However, in some instances the filmmaker can never win. For example, it seemed that the majority of fans here preferred the CGI Fifield in Prometheus to the prosthetic one. This time, the criticisms are 'too many cgi aliens'...

I think in the case of Fifield is a design issue.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Evanus on May 14, 2017, 03:36:05 PM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 14, 2017, 03:35:20 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 14, 2017, 03:27:47 PM
I have to say that, in terms of Alien, the more practical effects the better. However, in some instances the filmmaker can never win. For example, it seemed that the majority of fans here preferred the CGI Fifield in Prometheus to the prosthetic one. This time, the criticisms are 'too many cgi aliens'...

I think in the case of Fifield is a design issue.
Yeah, exactly. People preferred the design, not the CGI itself.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 14, 2017, 03:44:57 PM
Quote from: juxtapose on May 14, 2017, 03:15:47 PM
But people always complain about cg. .till it's all practical and audiences just don't think it looks cool and then everybody will say. . Seriuosly. .why did he not just use CGI instead, fox and ridley are cheap sellouts. . It's just bizarre. .

Yeah, you can't please everybody in this days. And what is almost as bizarre as this, is when you read comments stating that the universally hated Alien R is better than Alien C. I can bet that the same thing will happen with Covenant after upcoming movies.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on May 14, 2017, 04:35:20 PM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 14, 2017, 03:35:20 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 14, 2017, 03:27:47 PM
I have to say that, in terms of Alien, the more practical effects the better. However, in some instances the filmmaker can never win. For example, it seemed that the majority of fans here preferred the CGI Fifield in Prometheus to the prosthetic one. This time, the criticisms are 'too many cgi aliens'...

I think in the case of Fifield is a design issue.
That may be the case, but I'm not sure the CGI design is demonstrably 'better', which reflects the point that it's largest subjective.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 14, 2017, 04:41:39 PM
the topic title should have spoilers in it
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: dry_heat on May 14, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 14, 2017, 04:41:39 PM
the topic title should have spoilers in it

Which part of "Alien Covenant Fan Reviews" told you otherwise?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Dan2004 on May 14, 2017, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 14, 2017, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Dan2004 on May 14, 2017, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 14, 2017, 12:42:45 PM
Can't we all just agree that Ridley did the best he could? C'mon let's face it. There will never be another movie like Alien(s). It was unprecendented for it's time and I believe it must be tough to keep reinventing the series after 5 films. The first three movies are classics and will never be surpassed.

And please stop complaining about cgi. Without it movies like Jurassic Park would never have had the same impact on audiences as they did. To be honest, animatronics or puppets can look just as fake. I believe Ridley is experienced enough to know if something works or not.

Please stop asking people not to voice an independent opinion after they paid good money to watch a move. This is the Fan Review section of the forum.

And no I don't believe Ridley did the best he could.

Fair enough. I just read your review and I disagree with nearly everything you wrote.
You really want another movie with aliens running down narrow corridors? It's been done to death so no thanks.

Also, I thought the scene where David was talking to the neomorph to be quite cool actually. They are animals after all, so why not.
At least it wasn't totally bonkers as in Jurassic world.

Where did I say that? Where did I ask what you wanted?

You've posted your opinion as have I. Get over it other people will like and dislike certain things you do and don't.

This is what makes these forums totally unbearable most of the time.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 14, 2017, 05:38:58 PM
Quote from: Dan2004 on May 14, 2017, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 14, 2017, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Dan2004 on May 14, 2017, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 14, 2017, 12:42:45 PM
Can't we all just agree that Ridley did the best he could? C'mon let's face it. There will never be another movie like Alien(s). It was unprecendented for it's time and I believe it must be tough to keep reinventing the series after 5 films. The first three movies are classics and will never be surpassed.

And please stop complaining about cgi. Without it movies like Jurassic Park would never have had the same impact on audiences as they did. To be honest, animatronics or puppets can look just as fake. I believe Ridley is experienced enough to know if something works or not.

Please stop asking people not to voice an independent opinion after they paid good money to watch a move. This is the Fan Review section of the forum.

And no I don't believe Ridley did the best he could.

Fair enough. I just read your review and I disagree with nearly everything you wrote.
You really want another movie with aliens running down narrow corridors? It's been done to death so no thanks.

Also, I thought the scene where David was talking to the neomorph to be quite cool actually. They are animals after all, so why not.
At least it wasn't totally bonkers as in Jurassic world.

Where did I say that? Where did I ask what you wanted?

You've posted your opinion as have I. Get over it other people will like and dislike certain things you do and don't.

This is what makes these forums totally unbearable most of the time.

Hey man,I didn't mean anything by it. No need to get worked up. I respect any fan's opinion. Clearly your view on the movie differs from mine, but that's not wrong. Otherwise we wouldn't be here in the first place.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Deadmeat on May 14, 2017, 06:10:51 PM
Not a review but more of a question - did anyone notice the very apparent similarities with The Lost World: Jurassic Park in the transition between act 1 & 2? :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Randomizer on May 14, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
Quote from: dry_heat on May 14, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 14, 2017, 04:41:39 PM
the topic title should have spoilers in it

Which part of "Alien Covenant Fan Reviews" told you otherwise?
We should still use spoiler tags. It's a double-edged sword, you see. There are people who want to decide on seeing the movie and then there are those who just want to hear others' opinions.

Anyways, I went with low expectations and was gladly surprised. I didn't hate Prometheus but just wasn't my type of thing (maybe it was due to many half-cooked ideas). Certainly better than it, that's for sure, however it could've benefited from expanding on the Engineers a bit even if they chose to move on from that. We never hear much aside from how big their suits are.

The introduction was beautiful and for a good portion it played like a horror movie with a few jumpscares there and there that could've been in fewer numbers. Facehuggers for example are meant to hide and pounce on their prey so you'd be a fool not expecting to be startled. The final portion was an action movie that wasn't as good as I expected...

Spoiler
...and a bit of a non-original ripoff of Aliens. As if the pinnacle of the franchise - humans find Engineer ship, humans get killed - wasn't done to death.
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I didn't see many flaws when it comes to CGI aside from the skinny Xenomorph which might as well be an artistic choice. The environments were a personal good change from the deserted setting of Prometheus.

Overall a much more solid movie than Prometheus and what I hope is a change for the better. Ridley Scott has gotten closer to recreating what makes Alien great. Can't decide whether or not it's better than Alien 3 though.  :(

7.7/10

Favorite order is, yada yada:

Alien
Aliens
Alien 3 (?)
Alien: Covenant (?)
AVP
Alien: Resurrection
Prometheus
AVP-R
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: dry_heat on May 14, 2017, 08:07:28 PM
Quote from: Randomizer on May 14, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
Quote from: dry_heat on May 14, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 14, 2017, 04:41:39 PM
the topic title should have spoilers in it

Which part of "Alien Covenant Fan Reviews" told you otherwise?
We should still use spoiler tags. It's a double-edged sword, you see. There are people who want to decide on seeing the movie and then there are those who just want to hear others' opinions.

No we shouldn't. The topic title is "Alien Covenant Fan Reviews"...can you not compute that in your shell-like?

What is it in today's world where it seems that anyone under 40 has to be treated with kid gloves and given a "safe space"? The damn topic title is enough and who on Christ's earth gives a shit about a review? Just who the f**k decides not to see a film based on what some twat says on the Internet?

Jeez...grow a pair. It's no wonder the West is in such decline. Lord, give me strength!!!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: newagescamartist on May 14, 2017, 09:12:23 PM
Quote from: Randomizer on May 14, 2017, 06:47:08 PM

We should still use spoiler tags.

Huh?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: stephen on May 15, 2017, 12:33:03 AM
So my short review.

Spoiler
Spoilers beware.

Disappointed.  But to be honest, after Prometheus I wasn't expecting a great deal. I think Covenant is better but in my mind that's not saying much.

The film lacks logic and consistency.  Things that should of happened didn't and things that did happen shouldn't of.  The film is a bit of a mess to be honest.  And confusing.  No attention was made to keep the audience aware of where characters were during the 2nd act.  At one point it feels like they're in the room next door shooting guns but no one hears it so they must be a fair way away.  I feel that on repeated viewings the movie will be rife with plot holes simply in regards to where people are and timings let alone anything of more substance.

Just confusing.

And frustrating.  The questions and set up from Prometheus feel unanswered. The big one being why the hell the engineers would want to destroy us.
Also what is this planet - the engineer's homeworld or something else?

The movie suffers from being the sequel to Prometheus.  The criticism levelled at Prometheus was obviously taken into account by the filmmakers and it feels like they simply wrote out what they perceived the problems with Prometheus to be.  Whlie I'm not a fan of Prometheus and the story I still feel there needs to be a connection with the sequel.  It's a hard line to toe for the film makers.  They had to make a sequel to Prometheus that was criticised yet try and not make the same mistakes.  Storywise that must of been difficult.  I think they took it a bit too far in distancing from Prometheus with very little explanation.

The interaction between David and Walter was interesting but come on Ridley way to telegraph the ending switch.  Having David cut his hair was like a blaring siren.  It would have been less telegraphed if David simply didn't have long hair in the beginning.

Now onto the Alien.  Although I could see it coming and didn't like it (David being the creator that is), I did get a bit of a chill down the spine when we saw the eggs.  I'm not a fan of David being the creator.  As others have said, the incubation times are way out of whack.  And that chestburster scene with David and the burster completely and utterly destroyed the mythos.  I was genuinely waiting for the chestburster to attack David which would have had some symbolism to it.  Instead we got jazz hands.  WTF.

It was kinda cool seeing the Alien on the big screen again but feel let down by it's portrayal. It does feel like lip service. Some scenes were good, some not so good.  The Alien vision was jarring and took me a bit to realize what it was.  Not needed.

Overall, frustrating, disappointing but better then Prometheus.
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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: frenchfries on May 15, 2017, 12:42:45 AM
Quote from: dry_heat on May 14, 2017, 08:07:28 PM
Quote from: Randomizer on May 14, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
Quote from: dry_heat on May 14, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 14, 2017, 04:41:39 PM
the topic title should have spoilers in it

Which part of "Alien Covenant Fan Reviews" told you otherwise?
We should still use spoiler tags. It's a double-edged sword, you see. There are people who want to decide on seeing the movie and then there are those who just want to hear others' opinions.

No we shouldn't. The topic title is "Alien Covenant Fan Reviews"...can you not compute that in your shell-like?

What is it in today's world where it seems that anyone under 40 has to be treated with kid gloves and given a "safe space"? The damn topic title is enough and who on Christ's earth gives a shit about a review? Just who the f**k decides not to see a film based on what some twat says on the Internet?

Jeez...grow a pair. It's no wonder the West is in such decline. Lord, give me strength!!!
lol damn dude, that bothered you that much? Sounds like you need one of those safe spaces
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Randomizer on May 15, 2017, 06:08:36 AM
Quote from: dry_heat on May 14, 2017, 08:07:28 PM
Quote from: Randomizer on May 14, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
Quote from: dry_heat on May 14, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 14, 2017, 04:41:39 PM
the topic title should have spoilers in it

Which part of "Alien Covenant Fan Reviews" told you otherwise?
We should still use spoiler tags. It's a double-edged sword, you see. There are people who want to decide on seeing the movie and then there are those who just want to hear others' opinions.

No we shouldn't. The topic title is "Alien Covenant Fan Reviews"...can you not compute that in your shell-like?

What is it in today's world where it seems that anyone under 40 has to be treated with kid gloves and given a "safe space"? The damn topic title is enough and who on Christ's earth gives a shit about a review? Just who the f**k decides not to see a film based on what some twat says on the Internet?

Jeez...grow a pair. It's no wonder the West is in such decline. Lord, give me strength!!!

Why so mad? Not a twat but multiple. Do I have to stick only to what the critics say? For all I know they could be paid. They might not know what made the series great.

Nobody is forbidding us from spoiling the movie here, just don't make it inevitable. Not all want to hear it.

And I'm not from the West ('murica & Western Europe) if that's what you mean.

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 14, 2017, 09:12:23 PM
Quote from: Randomizer on May 14, 2017, 06:47:08 PM

We should still use spoiler tags.

Huh?

Detail or I will ignore your comment.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 15, 2017, 08:52:21 AM
Quote from: Stolen on May 12, 2017, 04:16:10 PM
Hummm , i think, I didn't see that passage in the film?

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.web.img5.acsta.net%2Fnewsv7%2F16%2F06%2F10%2F11%2F07%2F413261.jpg&hash=8de0bea7116b2f29b5b166d2398114a29df7a94a)
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>:(

It was for the She Wont Go Quietly viral. Though that particular shot wasn't used in it.


Quote from: Snake on May 13, 2017, 10:55:25 AM
Second, the hell...the Aliens looked MENACING AND DISTURBING. Tall, upright, more humanoid than ever. I was really proud of having elegance in these creatures once more.

That scene where
Spoiler
it walks into the terraforming bay looked incredible. Really dug that.
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And let's take a step back here, gents. Some really unnecessary heated comments towards each other. Not everyone is going to agree but act with maturity and respect, please. If you're incapable, don't. Simple as that.

In regards to spoilers, it should be expected - this is a review thread.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Randomizer on May 15, 2017, 10:02:29 AM
Agreed. I've proven my point. I just don't think there's much of a reason for reviews if they all contain spoilers and viceversa.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: The_Foxcatcher on May 15, 2017, 10:18:03 AM
>>>Spoiler Review<<<<<

Not as good as Prometheus.

Covenant seems to be like a small chapter specially about David and a bridge to the next, possibly big event. The movie was quite unidimensional with a simple plot. But Scott did manage to further expand the Alien universe and continue what he started with Prometheus.

The Neomorphs stole the show! They were vicious and terrific. From the trailers, they looked quite meek but man, they gave the chills & thrills. It was exquisitely designed creature, wish more time was given for them. The scene where David & the Neomorph try to communicate with each other is wonderful.

There aren't grand moments and concepts like those in Prometheus; but the movie does give bits of philosophical ideas & mind-set of a carried away Robot. Fassbender's dual role is worth watching but nothing extra ordinary because there wasn't such content which he could pull it off. Some unique moments of David & Walter exchanging ideas & playing flute is just what held the movie during its second and slow act.
 
All other characters including Daniels are quite cardboard cut outs because again there was nothing more written about them other then to scream, die, pass guns, hold guns, aim and shoot.

The sets & visuals are good but not as grand as Prometheus. The only grand scene was the Black goo bombing sequence. Whereas, the interior sets of the Engineer Citadel was quite disappointing as it were quite bland and not much of their world were shown other than a hall and few small rooms which David converted into his lab. If you expect the signature Off-wordly designs, you aren't going to get it.

With this movie, Scott ended the most anticipated & intriguing adventure of Dr. Elizabeth Shaw by having her killed. So, with no Shaw, the movie feels half empty.

The Xenomorph is superb and better than those in any other Alien sequels. But the ending was rushed and there was nothing unique in having the Xenomorph expelled into the space from the airlock. Alien & Aliens did it a lot better and nothing can beat its final act.

May be repeat viewings could help me catch more and change by mind but until now, purely for the Neomorphs, Fassbender & the Horror, I give it a 6.5/10.
   
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on May 15, 2017, 10:29:42 AM
I went in excited and came out frustrated. Some scenes and ideas, didn't work for me while others did. The ending felt rushed and a big rehash.

Some characters were wasted, but I did enjoy the interplay between Walter and David. Wish we'd seen more of that and we had no clue to the size of the city, so a few bits were like WTF

Also the very end
Spoiler
I wouldn't have had Daniels find out it was David instead of Walter. I would have had him say yes to building the cabin. She goes to sleep and THEN he would have revealed himself to David, when speaking to the computer
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The film felt like it either needed another draft or two or we should have seen one of the earlier Paglen drafts on screen. It feels like a HUGE chunk was missing and
Spoiler
I was angry and the way the fate of Shaw was brushed off
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Also
Spoiler
The opening scene with David and Weyland felt like it was cut from Prometheus and should have been there. The Crossing short film should have been, the Last Supper scene
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#F**kGiler #StopScott
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: robbritton on May 15, 2017, 11:54:24 AM
I enjoyed it. It was certainly flawed, and Ridley Scott cannot seem to grasp that big ideas are best alluded to, rather than spelled out in hamfisted dialogue ("What do you believe in, David?" indeed!), but I cared for the main characters far more than I did the cast of Prometheus and I found the juxtaposition between the bonkers David and the very Bishop-esque Walter to be a really lovely story beat. The mending of the sail at the beginning felt like it could have come from Isolation, and was really great.

I'm not thumping my head, like I was Prometheus, but the original three are still untouched. The final shot is the most horrific thing the series has put forward since the idea of all the families dying around one another in the hive in Aliens, so that felt like a nice jumping off point to the next one.

I don't mind the xeno origin either. Why not, eh? It may just as well be that. Helps with the Queen/Egg morph conundum too - if it's unnatural, it can manifest in any old tinkered form, I guess.

Although, how they'll tie it into the original I'm a little baffled by. At least one engineer must be making a comeback.

But yeah, there were moments I felt reall happy to be in the cinema watching a new Alien movie, and moments I was a little bored. When business as usual has been resurrection and Requiem, I'll take that as a win!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 15, 2017, 12:27:38 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 15, 2017, 08:52:21 AM
Quote from: Stolen on May 12, 2017, 04:16:10 PM
Hummm , i think, I didn't see that passage in the film?

Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.web.img5.acsta.net%2Fnewsv7%2F16%2F06%2F10%2F11%2F07%2F413261.jpg&hash=8de0bea7116b2f29b5b166d2398114a29df7a94a)
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>:(

It was for the She Wont Go Quietly viral. Though that particular shot wasn't used in it.


Quote from: Snake on May 13, 2017, 10:55:25 AM
Second, the hell...the Aliens looked MENACING AND DISTURBING. Tall, upright, more humanoid than ever. I was really proud of having elegance in these creatures once more.

That scene where
Spoiler
it walks into the terraforming bay looked incredible. Really dug that.
[close]


And let's take a step back here, gents. Some really unnecessary heated comments towards each other. Not everyone is going to agree but act with maturity and respect, please. If you're incapable, don't. Simple as that.

In regards to spoilers, it should be expected - this is a review thread.

With all due respect Hicks, I disagree.  Just because it's a review thread doesn't mean spoilers should be expected.  A lot of people are genuinely curious to know what others feel about the film before they see it.  That's why on Youtube, there are Spoiler Reviews and Spoiler-Free reviews.  If this thread is only for people who have seen the movie, then it should be renamed "Alien Covenant Fan Discussion (Spoilers)" so as to let people know right from the getgo there are spoilers.  Since it is currently labeled as "Alien Covenant Fan Reviews", there is an expectation for people to read reviews from people who have seen the movie with spoiler tags in place just as they are in any other thread that isn't marked "Spoiler" in it's title.

So you and the mods need to decide:  Is this thread a fan review thread or is it a movie discussion thread?  If it's the former, then spoiler tags are appropriate and should not be discouraged by the moderating team.  If it's the latter, the thread title should clearly illustrate the spoiler-centric nature of the conversation within the thread.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 15, 2017, 12:37:21 PM
Spoiler tag added to topic title.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 15, 2017, 07:34:58 PM
Wow shit went down because of my suggestions it seems. :D

I would like to read reveiws without spoilers. Thats it if it bothers anyone just send me a pm and i wont read it. :D

Thanks Hicks btw.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: SGS756 on May 15, 2017, 09:24:24 PM
A covenant is an agreement that can be made between a nation or people. In the context of the new film from Ridley Scott, it's the name of the colony ship bound for a distant planet to repopulate and start a new life for humankind in the cosmos. The original Alien film was many things. Crucially, it was a narrative of feeble human choices resulting in the unveiling of a creature that acidly twisted the knife into the very notions of morality and compassion and replaced it with a savage survival instinct. This was demonstrated by way of a terrifying life cycle, that felt in equal parts- biologically credible and sexually transgressive. The aptly named Covenant continues this tradition of the horrific entangled web of events being spun by problematic judgements.

A reluctantly stern captain of faith impulsively responds to a human distress call and brashly thinks the sourced planet to be much more habitable for the two thousand colonists than a rigorously simulated and scientifically mapped out planet further out in space. The central antagonist of the picture arrogantly proclaims he loved a woman who showed him compassion and sees fit to still experiment on her for the sole purpose of curiosity. If Alien Covenant is about anything, then it is about the delusional egotism in leadership and creation.

For a film that bestows the central creature of the accoladed horror franchise to title status again, the Xenomorphs prove to be the most problematic aspect of the picture. Essentially, there is no dimension added to the creature's life cycle or a new manner in which we could perceive them.

In Aliens, the sheer multiplicity of their race come from an Alien Queen, and they function as a nightmarish subversion of a truism parents tell their children, encapsulated when Newt says to Ripley- "My mummy always said there were no monsters, no real ones, but there are." In Alien 3, the lone Xenomorph has an animalistic fury as it takes on the attributes of its non-human host resulting in the tense and frenetic point of views shots in the tail end of the picture. At the same time, the creature is seen as the embodiment of divine punishment by the prisoners of Fury 161 who create a nihilistic and cruel religion to deal with their crimes. In Alien Resurrection, there is a human/Xenomorph hybrid as Ripley's DNA is replicated and modified. Even the woeful Alien Vs Predator movies had some sense of creativity in melding both creatures into an amusingly hissing new creation complete with dreadlocks and a new set of jaws.

In Covenant, the Xenomorph have lost their majestic sense of terror that came from their ability to be simultaneously horrifying and striking in their design. Additionally, the subtext of their attacks playing on fears of rape and male pregnancy become clumsy overt text as David (Michael Fassbender) lures the unsuspecting Captain Oram (Billy Crudup) to his lair. When asked what his creations need to be successful, the android retorts in a matter of fact manner- "A Mother."

The best sequence involving the creature is when it attacks a couple during a heightened moment of passion in a running shower cubicle. Ridley Scott's framing is impeccable as the Alien is seen through a mirror as it violently lunges at the male partner. The aftermath is the Xenomorph looking as though it was kissing Upworth (Callie Hernandez) and a darkly comic moment as blood gushes over the female crew member in what seems like an ironic twist of climaxing. As good as the sequence is, it does represent a sobering moment for the series; as it seemingly sinks into the slasher movie genre waters that it once transcended so masterfully.

From the ashes of the Xenomorph's mediocrity, the android David arises to become the malevolent heart of the series. In Prometheus Fassbender's performance subverted the Pinocchio portrait of an artificially intelligent being with a seemingly aloof and obedient nature that hid ominous intentions which occasionally manifested themselves in his wry sense of humour. In Covenant, Fassbender takes David to new heights of passion and all-consuming arrogance.

However, the most striking quality that the Irish actor adds to the character is a protracted sense of wistful sadness. In many of David's exchanges with Walter (the newer android model again played by Fassbender), he expresses his love for Dr Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace) and his misery of not having her around. Even though the sentiments can be read as a ruse because he experimented on Shaw for his creations; there is still a deep-seated sense of love that went unfulfilled. (A starker reading of David's feelings of unrequited love could be read as physical and retain the sexual subtext that the series always has at its core)

The added quality presents David with a fascinating dichotomy. In the opening sequence, the character stands before Michelangelo's David sculpture as he chooses his name in view of his creator- Peter Weyland (Guy Pierce) Through the course of his conversation, David reflects on his creator's mortality and concludes that he will outlive his human master. In many ways, David believes he is a supremely perfect being who has far exceeded humanity yet still revels in the sentiments of man as embodied in his feelings for Shaw. This conflict of egotism and emotion has particular resonance when thinking of it in the context of the beings that David has created. The creation of Xenomorphs could represent a purging of this conflict in lieu of a pure instinct of survival.

As David, Fassbender channels Vincent Price's pomposity and cleverly echoes Rutger Hauer's seductively impassioned portrait of Roy Batty. Whereas, Fassbender imbues Walter with a sense of innocence and discovery that is manifested in many of the interactions he has with David. A particular noteworthy scene has Walter acknowledging the parameters of his programming after learning to play the flute. At this moment, Fassbender's subtle facial expressions of awe, wonder and reflection are endearing to watch.

Equally as compelling is Katherine Waterston's performance as Daniels who repurposes a particular facet of Sigourney Weaver's performance from Alien to interesting effect. In the 1979 picture, Weaver played Ripley with an economical stillness: her physical movements had a purpose, conviction and ultimately conveyed an assuredness about her duties aboard the Nostromo.

Waterston takes this stillness to a much more emphatic place. While her physicality is efficient, there is something also undeniably warm and embracing about it too. In a scene towards the end, Waterson wonderfully encapsulates all these qualities as her solemn reflection on the terrible events of the film turn into a moment of an outward affection as she hugs Tennessee; (Danny McBride) and in so doing they share the losses they have both experienced.

For all its apparent deficiencies, Ridley Scott's sense of scale and grandiosity has not lost its cinematic potency. From the wide angled shots of the Covenant's long corridors to the Pompeii esque scene of mass genocide, you have a mainstream horror picture of utterly deprived beauty. The grislier imagery (which admirably retains a fidelity to the work of HR Giger) such as Shaw's mangled form rival the repellent visual concoctions of Alien Resurrection; the only picture in the franchise that makes one feel as though they want to have a shower after watching.

In essence, Covenant represents a paradigm shift for the Alien series. The creature who travels through vents and hides in the darkest corner of the ship no longer scare us. Instead, the synthetic being and his freedom to experiment while we all sleep gets the heart beating just a little bit faster.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Butterfly on May 15, 2017, 11:59:38 PM
Yet another long-time lurker who's decided to step out of the shadows to review this filme here. And dear lord, I NEED to talk about it. There might be some spoilers ahead.

First off, full disclosure: I'm a huge fan of the original quadrilogy, which means I really, really like both Alien³ and Alien: Resurrection. I didn't like Prometheus but I've actually had a pretty fun experience when I saw it for the first time, and it was only after the movie was done that it started to fall apart for me (much unlike many of you, though, I've had a really hard time rewatching it and it most certainly did get worse with time for me). I went into this movie with some pretty low expectations. I didn't like the direction Prometheus was taking the series to and even though this was marketed as an Alien film, I was fully aware that it was going to be, at least partially, a sequel to Prometheus. All in all, I was just feeling giddy with the prospect of seing the franchise's titular creatures on the big screen for the first time along with some grisly deaths and nice Ridley Scott visuals. And possibly something as entertaining and cringe-worthy as the medpod scene from the previous movie.

The positives of A:C: The first 20 minutes or so are very solid. Up until they land on the alien planet there's some nice tension buildup and some very welcomed character moments that feel more believable than anything in Prometheus. The very ending, when a major character has just entered a sleeping pod, is quite effective. All in all, I'd say it's the one scene that properly managed to be scary, and it actually stayed with me after I left the theater. I'm quite surprised to know that the ending was supposed to be different, because the one we've got, in my opinion, is a brilliant final hook waiting for a better movie to be built around it.

Everything else was shockingly bad.

I can deal with the fact that this is ostensively a sequel to Prometheus, and the Alien is barely in it. I'd even say this would be a marginally better movie if the Big Chap was not in it at all, because boy oh boy is it completely weightless, both literally, with the bad CGI, and figuratively. The creature itself is introduced after its distant cousin (they call it a neomorph, I figure?) has already done loads and loads of damage whilst having a much more effective life cycle. The proper "Xenomorph" (god, I hate this term) feels almost benign in comparison.

Now, I'm aware that there's been lots of talk about whether they've been using puppets or not in this, and whether people exaggerate when they complain about the overuse of CGI. But dear lord, it's not just that there is obvious way too much CGI when it comes to the creatures, but the scenes with them are not even well shot! There's no attempt to hide the special effects: we see an Alien jumping around and doing all sorts of acrobatics from every possible angle in broad daylight. They've even managed to screw up the chestbuster scene with really awkward angles and dodgy effects. Some of the "neomorph" and chestbuster scene reminded me of the effects in Alien³, except that the camera lingered on them forever, which is much, much worse. The Big Chap shows up in two major action set pieces that feel like they belong in one of the Marvel Movies if they were all directed by Michael Bay. They also kind of look like Playstation 3 cutscenes.

The creatures were so terribly made that a good portion of the audience I was in was giggling whenever an attack or a birth happened. I kind of giggled too.

The movie has zero rhythm and zero suspense. All the kills are instant. I'll be damned if the shower scene lasts over two minutes. And there aren't even any jumpscares either. You just really expect an alien to impale someone, then it empales, and off to the next scene. Even the (very good, from what I could see) gore effects end up feeling like an afterthought because it's all over so quick one can barely register what's just happened. Everything is so instant that they've managed to bring back the Cup Noodles life cycle for the aliens, which EVERYONE complained about in AvP. It's not even that much of an issue because it changes the canon. It's just that it's so ludicrous that it feels like it came out of a parody. There's no willing suspension of disbelief to account for fully a grown alien in 40 seconds.

The performances are alright, with Michael Fassbender doing a good job as expected. To be honest, I'm just kind of disappointed because he didn't chew the scenery a little bit more. It would've fitted the overall B-movie vibe. The info on the origins of the Xenomorph (heh, here I am using that X word again) is not terrible, but much like all the answers we've had about the Space Jockey in Prometheus, it just feels very, very "meh". Speaking of SJ, the scene in which the giant albino civilization makes a perfect argument for the accusation that filmmakers show way too much these days. Had it been simply mentioned by one of the characters, it would end up probably making sense as a plot development. Actually seeing it, though, makes it completely ludicrous.

Oh, and the Covenant crew is very, very dumb. I think it's kind of hilarious that we tend to complain about stereotypical horror movie teenagers being so stupid when it DOES make sense that oversexed teens would be morons. Scientists in a billion dollar mission in space acting like dumb horror movie teens on the other hand is much harder to buy. And these scientists make the biologist from Prometheus look smart.

We didn't even get pretty visuals this time around! Covenant mostly looks like every single big budget Hollywood movie. Totally unremarkable. Here's how I rate the Alien films:

Alien (10)
Aliens (9,5)
Alien³ (9,0)
Alien: Resurrection (9,0)
Prometheus (5,5)
Alien vs. Predator (4,0)
Alien: Covenant  (3,0) (YES, THAT BAD, it's worse than AvP)
Aliens vs. Predator Requiem (0,5)  :P

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Dirty Harry on May 16, 2017, 02:28:37 AM
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien Covenant
Alien Resurrection
Prometheus
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Robopadna on May 16, 2017, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: Butterfly on May 15, 2017, 11:59:38 PM
The performances are alright, with Michael Fassbender doing a good job as expected. To be honest, I'm just kind of disappointed because he didn't chew the scenery a little bit more. It would've fitted the overall B-movie vibe. The info on the origins of the Xenomorph (heh, here I am using that X word again) is not terrible, but much like all the answers we've had about the Space Jockey in Prometheus, it just feels very, very "meh". Speaking of SJ, the scene in which the giant albino civilization makes a perfect argument for the accusation that filmmakers show way too much these days. Had it been simply mentioned by one of the characters, it would end up probably making sense as a plot development. Actually seeing it, though, makes it completely ludicrous.

I actually think it was a good idea to show it.  If one more thing is hand waived away with awful dialogue it would be absurd (it already is).  Plus, Ridley apparently does not like to have the characters ask much that he doesn't plan on visually showing.  If he cut that scene out, I bet he would cut out all references to it. 

Put it this way, the characters arrive on an UNEXPLORED planet that is broadcasting a message sent from someone from earth.  They get attacked and are saved by a robot from earth. who leads them to an entire city and civilization, proving there are alien races out there and they landed on a colonized planet.  The main problem being the entire civilization is dead and petrified. 

Throughout it all, the characters show no more interest than they would in a tv show that was on in the background at a party.  They simply don't care and Ridley can't seem to understand why they would.  If he didn't put that scene in it would simply be one more thing the characters would never ask about or reference.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Jonesy1974 on May 16, 2017, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 16, 2017, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: Butterfly on May 15, 2017, 11:59:38 PM
The performances are alright, with Michael Fassbender doing a good job as expected. To be honest, I'm just kind of disappointed because he didn't chew the scenery a little bit more. It would've fitted the overall B-movie vibe. The info on the origins of the Xenomorph (heh, here I am using that X word again) is not terrible, but much like all the answers we've had about the Space Jockey in Prometheus, it just feels very, very "meh". Speaking of SJ, the scene in which the giant albino civilization makes a perfect argument for the accusation that filmmakers show way too much these days. Had it been simply mentioned by one of the characters, it would end up probably making sense as a plot development. Actually seeing it, though, makes it completely ludicrous.

I actually think it was a good idea to show it.  If one more thing is hand waived away with awful dialogue it would be absurd (it already is).  Plus, Ridley apparently does not like to have the characters ask much that he doesn't plan on visually showing.  If he cut that scene out, I bet he would cut out all references to it. 

Put it this way, the characters arrive on an UNEXPLORED planet that is broadcasting a message sent from someone from earth.  They get attacked and are saved by a robot from earth. who leads them to an entire city and civilization, proving there are alien races out there and they landed on a colonized planet.  The main problem being the entire civilization is dead and petrified. 

Throughout it all, the characters show no more interest than they would in a tv show that was on in the background at a party.  They simply don't care and Ridley can't seem to understand why they would.  If he didn't put that scene in it would simply be one more thing the characters would never ask about or reference.

To be fair, if I had just witnessed a creature just burst out of my mates throat and then slaughter several of my other team members I don't think I'd care about petrified bodies either.

Besides, they may well have discussed it we just didn't need to witness itgem discussing it as it wouldn't be important to the plot.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: robbritton on May 16, 2017, 01:25:36 PM
Quote from: SGS756 on May 15, 2017, 09:24:24 PM
A covenant is an agreement that can be made between a nation or people. In the context of the new film from Ridley Scott, it's the name of the colony ship bound for a distant planet to repopulate and start a new life for humankind in the cosmos. The original Alien film was many things. Crucially, it was a narrative of feeble human choices resulting in the unveiling of a creature that acidly twisted the knife into the very notions of morality and compassion and replaced it with a savage survival instinct. This was demonstrated by way of a terrifying life cycle, that felt in equal parts- biologically credible and sexually transgressive. The aptly named Covenant continues this tradition of the horrific entangled web of events being spun by problematic judgements.

A reluctantly stern captain of faith impulsively responds to a human distress call and brashly thinks the sourced planet to be much more habitable for the two thousand colonists than a rigorously simulated and scientifically mapped out planet further out in space. The central antagonist of the picture arrogantly proclaims he loved a woman who showed him compassion and sees fit to still experiment on her for the sole purpose of curiosity. If Alien Covenant is about anything, then it is about the delusional egotism in leadership and creation.

For a film that bestows the central creature of the accoladed horror franchise to title status again, the Xenomorphs prove to be the most problematic aspect of the picture. Essentially, there is no dimension added to the creature's life cycle or a new manner in which we could perceive them.

In Aliens, the sheer multiplicity of their race come from an Alien Queen, and they function as a nightmarish subversion of a truism parents tell their children, encapsulated when Newt says to Ripley- "My mummy always said there were no monsters, no real ones, but there are." In Alien 3, the lone Xenomorph has an animalistic fury as it takes on the attributes of its non-human host resulting in the tense and frenetic point of views shots in the tail end of the picture. At the same time, the creature is seen as the embodiment of divine punishment by the prisoners of Fury 161 who create a nihilistic and cruel religion to deal with their crimes. In Alien Resurrection, there is a human/Xenomorph hybrid as Ripley's DNA is replicated and modified. Even the woeful Alien Vs Predator movies had some sense of creativity in melding both creatures into an amusingly hissing new creation complete with dreadlocks and a new set of jaws.

In Covenant, the Xenomorph have lost their majestic sense of terror that came from their ability to be simultaneously horrifying and striking in their design. Additionally, the subtext of their attacks playing on fears of rape and male pregnancy become clumsy overt text as David (Michael Fassbender) lures the unsuspecting Captain Oram (Billy Crudup) to his lair. When asked what his creations need to be successful, the android retorts in a matter of fact manner- "A Mother."

The best sequence involving the creature is when it attacks a couple during a heightened moment of passion in a running shower cubicle. Ridley Scott's framing is impeccable as the Alien is seen through a mirror as it violently lunges at the male partner. The aftermath is the Xenomorph looking as though it was kissing Upworth (Callie Hernandez) and a darkly comic moment as blood gushes over the female crew member in what seems like an ironic twist of climaxing. As good as the sequence is, it does represent a sobering moment for the series; as it seemingly sinks into the slasher movie genre waters that it once transcended so masterfully.

From the ashes of the Xenomorph's mediocrity, the android David arises to become the malevolent heart of the series. In Prometheus Fassbender's performance subverted the Pinocchio portrait of an artificially intelligent being with a seemingly aloof and obedient nature that hid ominous intentions which occasionally manifested themselves in his wry sense of humour. In Covenant, Fassbender takes David to new heights of passion and all-consuming arrogance.

However, the most striking quality that the Irish actor adds to the character is a protracted sense of wistful sadness. In many of David's exchanges with Walter (the newer android model again played by Fassbender), he expresses his love for Dr Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace) and his misery of not having her around. Even though the sentiments can be read as a ruse because he experimented on Shaw for his creations; there is still a deep-seated sense of love that went unfulfilled. (A starker reading of David's feelings of unrequited love could be read as physical and retain the sexual subtext that the series always has at its core)

The added quality presents David with a fascinating dichotomy. In the opening sequence, the character stands before Michelangelo's David sculpture as he chooses his name in view of his creator- Peter Weyland (Guy Pierce) Through the course of his conversation, David reflects on his creator's mortality and concludes that he will outlive his human master. In many ways, David believes he is a supremely perfect being who has far exceeded humanity yet still revels in the sentiments of man as embodied in his feelings for Shaw. This conflict of egotism and emotion has particular resonance when thinking of it in the context of the beings that David has created. The creation of Xenomorphs could represent a purging of this conflict in lieu of a pure instinct of survival.

As David, Fassbender channels Vincent Price's pomposity and cleverly echoes Rutger Hauer's seductively impassioned portrait of Roy Batty. Whereas, Fassbender imbues Walter with a sense of innocence and discovery that is manifested in many of the interactions he has with David. A particular noteworthy scene has Walter acknowledging the parameters of his programming after learning to play the flute. At this moment, Fassbender's subtle facial expressions of awe, wonder and reflection are endearing to watch.

Equally as compelling is Katherine Waterston's performance as Daniels who repurposes a particular facet of Sigourney Weaver's performance from Alien to interesting effect. In the 1979 picture, Weaver played Ripley with an economical stillness: her physical movements had a purpose, conviction and ultimately conveyed an assuredness about her duties aboard the Nostromo.

Waterston takes this stillness to a much more emphatic place. While her physicality is efficient, there is something also undeniably warm and embracing about it too. In a scene towards the end, Waterson wonderfully encapsulates all these qualities as her solemn reflection on the terrible events of the film turn into a moment of an outward affection as she hugs Tennessee; (Danny McBride) and in so doing they share the losses they have both experienced.

For all its apparent deficiencies, Ridley Scott's sense of scale and grandiosity has not lost its cinematic potency. From the wide angled shots of the Covenant's long corridors to the Pompeii esque scene of mass genocide, you have a mainstream horror picture of utterly deprived beauty. The grislier imagery (which admirably retains a fidelity to the work of HR Giger) such as Shaw's mangled form rival the repellent visual concoctions of Alien Resurrection; the only picture in the franchise that makes one feel as though they want to have a shower after watching.

In essence, Covenant represents a paradigm shift for the Alien series. The creature who travels through vents and hides in the darkest corner of the ship no longer scare us. Instead, the synthetic being and his freedom to experiment while we all sleep gets the heart beating just a little bit faster.

This is a wonderful review! You've given voice to a lot of feelings I had while watching it. Wheras with Prometheus, I felt the theorising afterwards wasn't really supported by the film, with this one I feel it can bear the weight very well.

I like it wears the title cleverly, too: the prinicpal antagonist is still a being, alone, in an environment it doesn't belong in, systematically wiping everything out or rebuilding it to it's own design. It's just that the Alien in question is now David.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Rankles75 on May 16, 2017, 04:28:34 PM
Actually enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Certainly better than Prometheus, although I still question why we need so many movies to tell this particular story. Characters were fleshed out a lot better (except Franco's, obviously), less (and certainly not as glaring) instances of characters doing stupid shit, the Neomorphs are an interesting addition to the Alien mythology and it had a lot more tension than it's predecessor. The clear size and species difference between the Engineers and the Space Jockey in Alien will always be an issue for me, but it didn't spoil my enjoyment of this. After all, we've still got another 2-3 films before that gets definitively answered.

Can understand the criticism of the quick gestation of the chestbursters, though more with Oram than Lope tbh. Iirc, the other characters were sleeping when Lope was killed, so at least a few hours (maybe longer?) could have passed. Oram can only have been infected for a few minutes. It is a bit jarring, but I can see how it's necessary to speed up the life cycle of the Alien for the sake of the film.

Shaw's fate was disappointing, considering she was the main character in Prometheus and we didn't even get a glimpse of her in this. She wasn't exactly a Ripley level character, but I thought there would be more to her story. Daniels and Tennessee were both good characters, but it looks like they'll suffer the same fate.

I sincerely doubt any future additions to the series will ever match the quality of the first two films, but (though it's not saying much) this was definitely better than anything that's come since Aliens imo. Would probably give it 7/10 right now, though would have to see it again to be sure...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Robopadna on May 16, 2017, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on May 16, 2017, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 16, 2017, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: Butterfly on May 15, 2017, 11:59:38 PM
The performances are alright, with Michael Fassbender doing a good job as expected. To be honest, I'm just kind of disappointed because he didn't chew the scenery a little bit more. It would've fitted the overall B-movie vibe. The info on the origins of the Xenomorph (heh, here I am using that X word again) is not terrible, but much like all the answers we've had about the Space Jockey in Prometheus, it just feels very, very "meh". Speaking of SJ, the scene in which the giant albino civilization makes a perfect argument for the accusation that filmmakers show way too much these days. Had it been simply mentioned by one of the characters, it would end up probably making sense as a plot development. Actually seeing it, though, makes it completely ludicrous.

I actually think it was a good idea to show it.  If one more thing is hand waived away with awful dialogue it would be absurd (it already is).  Plus, Ridley apparently does not like to have the characters ask much that he doesn't plan on visually showing.  If he cut that scene out, I bet he would cut out all references to it. 

Put it this way, the characters arrive on an UNEXPLORED planet that is broadcasting a message sent from someone from earth.  They get attacked and are saved by a robot from earth. who leads them to an entire city and civilization, proving there are alien races out there and they landed on a colonized planet.  The main problem being the entire civilization is dead and petrified. 

Throughout it all, the characters show no more interest than they would in a tv show that was on in the background at a party.  They simply don't care and Ridley can't seem to understand why they would.  If he didn't put that scene in it would simply be one more thing the characters would never ask about or reference.

To be fair, if I had just witnessed a creature just burst out of my mates throat and then slaughter several of my other team members I don't think I'd care about petrified bodies either.

Besides, they may well have discussed it we just didn't need to witness itgem discussing it as it wouldn't be important to the plot.

First, not everyone lost a loved one.  Second, if you watched that happen and then were led into a city full of other dead people you would be EXTRA curious as to how these things died because you already know the planet has some hostile animals/environments and you also do not want to end up dead.  Is it a contagious thing???  The characters certainly don't seem to care If they live or die so the audience doesn't really either.

As an audience you really DO need to see them ask these questions and discuss it.  It makes the audience feel there is a connection to these characters and they are acting much the same way that normal humans react to extreme circumstances.  They focus on self preservation and want the best chance to also not die.  Then, when things go bad, you care when they die because they ALSO cared about what was happening to them.

As it is, you don't really care about anyone in it because no one acts much like a normal human.  They are pretty much sacks of meat used to move the movie from one set piece to another.  You  an tell Ridley doesn't particularly care about them either since he cuts out as much character building as possible and gives anything interesting to the two androids.

In the end, it's very poor writing to not have those interactions on screen unless you really don't want your audience to care about any of your characters.

To clarify, if you just want gore and to see different ways people can suffer or die, then you don't need to care about the characters.  There is no reason to.  I am hoping this series actually DOES want us to care and be somewhat invested in whether or not they live or die.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2017, 04:39:35 PM
In all fairness, there are some comments of "what the f**k?!" or stuff to that effect when they're walking through the Necropolis to the Citadel. But yeah, there should have been more.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Robopadna on May 16, 2017, 04:45:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2017, 04:39:35 PM
In all fairness, there are some comments of "what the f**k?!" or stuff to that effect when they're walking through the Necropolis to the Citadel. But yeah, there should have been more.

And I get that (at least it shows they aren't all emotionless robots) but if you want an audience to care, you have to have your characters act like humans and ask questions any normal human would ask in that situation (a dangerous and confusing one).  And you have to show that to the audience.  You can't be a lazy filmmaker.

Again, if your goal is to make a gore movie though and you are trying to have the audience view every character as a simple means to show a different violent death, then it doesn't really matter.  I think it's pretty clear from these movies that isn't what Scott is trying to go for.  He is just not good at it.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 16, 2017, 05:51:22 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 16, 2017, 04:45:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2017, 04:39:35 PM
In all fairness, there are some comments of "what the f**k?!" or stuff to that effect when they're walking through the Necropolis to the Citadel. But yeah, there should have been more.

And I get that (at least it shows they aren't all emotionless robots) but if you want an audience to care, you have to have your characters act like humans and ask questions any normal human would ask in that situation (a dangerous and confusing one).  And you have to show that to the audience.  You can't be a lazy filmmaker.

Again, if your goal is to make a gore movie though and you are trying to have the audience view every character as a simple means to show a different violent death, then it doesn't really matter.  I think it's pretty clear from these movies that isn't what Scott is trying to go for.  He is just not good at it.

I think it would have slowed the movie down quite a bit if the characters were going to have an in-depth discussion what happened to the engineers. They didn't know what happened and we wouldn't have gotten any answers as well, so there's no point in such a scene imo. I also would have hated it if we we're going to be spoon-fed once again...it's not being lazy at all.

Come to think of it, they did swear a lot in this movie and it felt a little unnecessary but that's just nitpicking. Totally loved it and I want to see it again ASAP.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 16, 2017, 05:54:52 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 16, 2017, 05:51:22 PMI think it would have slowed the movie down quite a bit if the characters were going to have an in-depth discussion what happened to the engineers.

Considering how rushed certain parts of the film felt, it could've done with a bit of slowing down to gaze at the surroundings with wonder.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 16, 2017, 05:59:58 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 16, 2017, 05:54:52 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 16, 2017, 05:51:22 PMI think it would have slowed the movie down quite a bit if the characters were going to have an in-depth discussion what happened to the engineers.

Considering how rushed certain parts of the film felt, it could've done with a bit of slowing down to gaze at the surroundings with wonder.

I don't think it felt rushed at all, but that's just me. It's not a Stanley Kubrick movie...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Butterfly on May 16, 2017, 06:36:34 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 16, 2017, 12:39:00 PM

I actually think it was a good idea to show it.  If one more thing is hand waived away with awful dialogue it would be absurd (it already is).  Plus, Ridley apparently does not like to have the characters ask much that he doesn't plan on visually showing.  If he cut that scene out, I bet he would cut out all references to it. 

Put it this way, the characters arrive on an UNEXPLORED planet that is broadcasting a message sent from someone from earth.  They get attacked and are saved by a robot from earth. who leads them to an entire city and civilization, proving there are alien races out there and they landed on a colonized planet.  The main problem being the entire civilization is dead and petrified. 

Throughout it all, the characters show no more interest than they would in a tv show that was on in the background at a party.  They simply don't care and Ridley can't seem to understand why they would.  If he didn't put that scene in it would simply be one more thing the characters would never ask about or reference.


My issue with the scene is that it feels way too much like a movie construct. I really didn't get a sense that the civilization existed outside of waiting for that ship to arrive. The magnitude of what's happening is so huge (one robot single handedly commiting genocide with a conveniently placed doomsday bioweapon) that it feels like it's a little too much. Basically, I think that seeing it just accentuates how ridiculous this plot point is and breaks willing suspension of disbelief.

I don't understand how showing the attack makes the fact that the characters don't seem to bother about the DEAD ALIEN CIVILIZATION that they've come across less absurd, but you're dead on about pointing this issue out.

Quote from: Snake on May 16, 2017, 05:51:22 PM

I think it would have slowed the movie down quite a bit if the characters were going to have an in-depth discussion what happened to the engineers. They didn't know what happened and we wouldn't have gotten any answers as well, so there's no point in such a scene imo. I also would have hated it if we we're going to be spoon-fed once again...it's not being lazy at all.

Come to think of it, they did swear a lot in this movie and it felt a little unnecessary but that's just nitpicking. Totally loved it and I want to see it again ASAP.

Well, if you're going to tackle all the big questions that thia movie attempts to address, then it's not really a bad idea to slow things down a tad.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Robopadna on May 16, 2017, 07:26:49 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 16, 2017, 05:51:22 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 16, 2017, 04:45:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2017, 04:39:35 PM
In all fairness, there are some comments of "what the f**k?!" or stuff to that effect when they're walking through the Necropolis to the Citadel. But yeah, there should have been more.

And I get that (at least it shows they aren't all emotionless robots) but if you want an audience to care, you have to have your characters act like humans and ask questions any normal human would ask in that situation (a dangerous and confusing one).  And you have to show that to the audience.  You can't be a lazy filmmaker.

Again, if your goal is to make a gore movie though and you are trying to have the audience view every character as a simple means to show a different violent death, then it doesn't really matter.  I think it's pretty clear from these movies that isn't what Scott is trying to go for.  He is just not good at it.

I think it would have slowed the movie down quite a bit if the characters were going to have an in-depth discussion what happened to the engineers. They didn't know what happened and we wouldn't have gotten any answers as well, so there's no point in such a scene imo. I also would have hated it if we we're going to be spoon-fed once again...it's not being lazy at all.

Come to think of it, they did swear a lot in this movie and it felt a little unnecessary but that's just nitpicking. Totally loved it and I want to see it again ASAP.

It isn't in depth at all.  It is treating your characters as humans and forming some connection with the audience.  It is incredibly lazy film making to leave all that out.  Those are the most important pieces in establishing your characters as people the audience actually gives a crap about.  It isn't spoon feeding anything.  It's the basics of character development.

Scott has never been good at developing characters really (unless they are incredibly strongly written) and tends to hope the visuals take care of that for him.  He is an expert at that side of things so sometimes it works.  In cases like this and Prometheus, it really hasn't.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Jonesy1974 on May 16, 2017, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 16, 2017, 07:26:49 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 16, 2017, 05:51:22 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 16, 2017, 04:45:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2017, 04:39:35 PM
In all fairness, there are some comments of "what the f**k?!" or stuff to that effect when they're walking through the Necropolis to the Citadel. But yeah, there should have been more.

And I get that (at least it shows they aren't all emotionless robots) but if you want an audience to care, you have to have your characters act like humans and ask questions any normal human would ask in that situation (a dangerous and confusing one).  And you have to show that to the audience.  You can't be a lazy filmmaker.

Again, if your goal is to make a gore movie though and you are trying to have the audience view every character as a simple means to show a different violent death, then it doesn't really matter.  I think it's pretty clear from these movies that isn't what Scott is trying to go for.  He is just not good at it.

I think it would have slowed the movie down quite a bit if the characters were going to have an in-depth discussion what happened to the engineers. They didn't know what happened and we wouldn't have gotten any answers as well, so there's no point in such a scene imo. I also would have hated it if we we're going to be spoon-fed once again...it's not being lazy at all.

Come to think of it, they did swear a lot in this movie and it felt a little unnecessary but that's just nitpicking. Totally loved it and I want to see it again ASAP.

It isn't in depth at all.  It is treating your characters as humans and forming some connection with the audience.  It is incredibly lazy film making to leave all that out.  Those are the most important pieces in establishing your characters as people the audience actually gives a crap about.  It isn't spoon feeding anything.  It's the basics of character development.

Scott has never been good at developing characters really (unless they are incredibly strongly written) and tends to hope the visuals take care of that for him.  He is an expert at that side of things so sometimes it works.  In cases like this and Prometheus, it really hasn't.

I felt that way about Prometheus, the only characters I was interested in were David and vickers (who was really sold short) but I cared about many of the Covenant crew.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Robopadna on May 16, 2017, 08:00:38 PM
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In all fairness, there are some comments of "what the f**k?!" or stuff to that effect when they're walking through the Necropolis to the Citadel. But yeah, there should have been more.

And I get that (at least it shows they aren't all emotionless robots) but if you want an audience to care, you have to have your characters act like humans and ask questions any normal human would ask in that situation (a dangerous and confusing one).  And you have to show that to the audience.  You can't be a lazy filmmaker.

Again, if your goal is to make a gore movie though and you are trying to have the audience view every character as a simple means to show a different violent death, then it doesn't really matter.  I think it's pretty clear from these movies that isn't what Scott is trying to go for.  He is just not good at it.

I think it would have slowed the movie down quite a bit if the characters were going to have an in-depth discussion what happened to the engineers. They didn't know what happened and we wouldn't have gotten any answers as well, so there's no point in such a scene imo. I also would have hated it if we we're going to be spoon-fed once again...it's not being lazy at all.

Come to think of it, they did swear a lot in this movie and it felt a little unnecessary but that's just nitpicking. Totally loved it and I want to see it again ASAP.

It isn't in depth at all.  It is treating your characters as humans and forming some connection with the audience.  It is incredibly lazy film making to leave all that out.  Those are the most important pieces in establishing your characters as people the audience actually gives a crap about.  It isn't spoon feeding anything.  It's the basics of character development.

Scott has never been good at developing characters really (unless they are incredibly strongly written) and tends to hope the visuals take care of that for him.  He is an expert at that side of things so sometimes it works.  In cases like this and Prometheus, it really hasn't.

I felt that way about Prometheus, the only characters I was interested in were David and vickers (who was really sold short) but I cared about many of the Covenant crew.

I did not, at all.  It seems to be a general consensus on reviews that they didn't attach much of anything to the characters either and saw them as things to kill.  While it is dependent on the viewer, I think there is enough consensus to say Ridley absolutely could have done a much better job on that end.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 16, 2017, 08:15:07 PM
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In all fairness, there are some comments of "what the f**k?!" or stuff to that effect when they're walking through the Necropolis to the Citadel. But yeah, there should have been more.

And I get that (at least it shows they aren't all emotionless robots) but if you want an audience to care, you have to have your characters act like humans and ask questions any normal human would ask in that situation (a dangerous and confusing one).  And you have to show that to the audience.  You can't be a lazy filmmaker.

Again, if your goal is to make a gore movie though and you are trying to have the audience view every character as a simple means to show a different violent death, then it doesn't really matter.  I think it's pretty clear from these movies that isn't what Scott is trying to go for.  He is just not good at it.

I think it would have slowed the movie down quite a bit if the characters were going to have an in-depth discussion what happened to the engineers. They didn't know what happened and we wouldn't have gotten any answers as well, so there's no point in such a scene imo. I also would have hated it if we we're going to be spoon-fed once again...it's not being lazy at all.

Come to think of it, they did swear a lot in this movie and it felt a little unnecessary but that's just nitpicking. Totally loved it and I want to see it again ASAP.

It isn't in depth at all.  It is treating your characters as humans and forming some connection with the audience.  It is incredibly lazy film making to leave all that out.  Those are the most important pieces in establishing your characters as people the audience actually gives a crap about.  It isn't spoon feeding anything.  It's the basics of character development.

Scott has never been good at developing characters really (unless they are incredibly strongly written) and tends to hope the visuals take care of that for him.  He is an expert at that side of things so sometimes it works.  In cases like this and Prometheus, it really hasn't.

I felt that way about Prometheus, the only characters I was interested in were David and vickers (who was really sold short) but I cared about many of the Covenant crew.

I did not, at all.  It seems to be a general consensus on reviews that they didn't attach much of anything to the characters either and saw them as things to kill.  While it is dependent on the viewer, I think there is enough consensus to say Ridley absolutely could have done a much better job on that end.

I think Ridley is right on the mark when it comes to character-building. The first hour of Covenant is nothing but. And I don't think he's never been good at it. What about Ripley, Ash, Dallas, Brett, Parker, Maximus Aurelius Decimus (lol)? They are some of the most iconic and memorable characters ever in movie-history!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Jonesy1974 on May 16, 2017, 08:21:58 PM
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Quote from: Robopadna on May 16, 2017, 04:45:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 16, 2017, 04:39:35 PM
In all fairness, there are some comments of "what the f**k?!" or stuff to that effect when they're walking through the Necropolis to the Citadel. But yeah, there should have been more.

And I get that (at least it shows they aren't all emotionless robots) but if you want an audience to care, you have to have your characters act like humans and ask questions any normal human would ask in that situation (a dangerous and confusing one).  And you have to show that to the audience.  You can't be a lazy filmmaker.

Again, if your goal is to make a gore movie though and you are trying to have the audience view every character as a simple means to show a different violent death, then it doesn't really matter.  I think it's pretty clear from these movies that isn't what Scott is trying to go for.  He is just not good at it.

I think it would have slowed the movie down quite a bit if the characters were going to have an in-depth discussion what happened to the engineers. They didn't know what happened and we wouldn't have gotten any answers as well, so there's no point in such a scene imo. I also would have hated it if we we're going to be spoon-fed once again...it's not being lazy at all.

Come to think of it, they did swear a lot in this movie and it felt a little unnecessary but that's just nitpicking. Totally loved it and I want to see it again ASAP.

It isn't in depth at all.  It is treating your characters as humans and forming some connection with the audience.  It is incredibly lazy film making to leave all that out.  Those are the most important pieces in establishing your characters as people the audience actually gives a crap about.  It isn't spoon feeding anything.  It's the basics of character development.

Scott has never been good at developing characters really (unless they are incredibly strongly written) and tends to hope the visuals take care of that for him.  He is an expert at that side of things so sometimes it works.  In cases like this and Prometheus, it really hasn't.

I felt that way about Prometheus, the only characters I was interested in were David and vickers (who was really sold short) but I cared about many of the Covenant crew.

I did not, at all.  It seems to be a general consensus on reviews that they didn't attach much of anything to the characters either and saw them as things to kill.  While it is dependent on the viewer, I think there is enough consensus to say Ridley absolutely could have done a much better job on that end.

Beg to differ, I have read plenty of people saying that the cast got character beats and moments. The first 40 odd minutes of the film is all about character building in my view. Ridley did a great job.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Rankles75 on May 16, 2017, 08:31:27 PM
Character building was one of the strengths of Covenant for me. You're never going to get massive backstory for characters in this type of film, but I thought Ridley did a good job in taking time to establish at least most of the crew...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 16, 2017, 08:56:21 PM
Quote from: ReluctantNerd on May 13, 2017, 08:36:24 PM
Watched it yesterday and to my surprise I liked it a lot. I think Ridley really went all out on this one and he really gave us f*cking aliens...
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While the movie didn't exactly clean up all of Prometheus' mess it managed to make me forget about it by just being fast and furious. David explains that the black goo is volatile and came in many forms, good enough for me, on with the show. This movie is cruel, nihilistic and very self aware. I think the birth of the xenomorph scene, with it's little "I love you daddy" dance was a cool meta joke, Ridley saying: "you want it? Here it is!". The thing stretches triumphantly and even seems to smile. It's grotesque in the best possible way. David breaking the fourth wall with his flute, his campy dialogue, his chamber of horrors, it's all B-movie madness and I'm actually surprised all this craziness ended up on the big screen in a blockbuster like this. And you just get hit over the head, or should I say on the nose right from the start with it's creation theme, starting with David and Weyland's conversation and continuing with David's megalomaniac adolescent speeches. In many ways this movie is probably at least as ridiculous as Prometheus but while I can't stand that movie I didn't mind those aspects here. Someone rated this movie earlier in WTF's, well I'll give it 8 out of 10 WTF's then. It's Ridley cynically doing his job as ordered by the studios and not giving a f**k, just getting on with it and throwing in some of his pet themes here and there. And it works for me, strangely. It's a dark fantasy film, not sci fi, and I'm OK with that.
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Great review man! Laughed so hard it almost brought tears in my eyes!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 17, 2017, 12:00:30 AM
I saw it for the third time, and now i really love it.

Not perfect, i need more Engineers, but for me it´s a great movie.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: NickisSmart on May 17, 2017, 01:15:15 AM
Quote from: John Doe on May 17, 2017, 12:00:30 AM
I saw it for the third time, and now i really love it.

Not perfect, i need more Engineers, but for me it´s a great movie.

Good to hear! A good friend of mine watched it and she said it's her favorite in the series, above even Prometheus and Aliens, which are her two stand-bys, typically.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: The real AG on May 17, 2017, 01:24:53 AM
Quote from: John Doe on May 17, 2017, 12:00:30 AM
I saw it for the third time, and now i really love it.

Not perfect, i need more Engineers, but for me it´s a great movie.

That's interesting as you were one of the guys who really made it clear you didn't like it after the first and second viewing I think. I am super hyped and while I got nervous when there were a few very negative reviews, it is very encouraging that more and more people seem to appreciate the movie after repeated viewings.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: salomonj on May 17, 2017, 02:19:20 AM
Quote from: John Doe on May 17, 2017, 12:00:30 AM
I saw it for the third time, and now i really love it.

Not perfect, i need more Engineers, but for me it´s a great movie.
glad to hear it, but out of curiosity what changed? You were pretty outspoken that you thought it was a unholy abomination...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 17, 2017, 02:32:06 AM
Quote from: salomonj on May 17, 2017, 02:19:20 AM
Quote from: John Doe on May 17, 2017, 12:00:30 AM
I saw it for the third time, and now i really love it.

Not perfect, i need more Engineers, but for me it´s a great movie.
glad to hear it, but out of curiosity what changed? You were pretty outspoken that you thought it was a unholy abomination...

A friend of mine in France has a similar experience where he was really disappointed initially, rewatched it and now loves it. His reasoning was he had to just accept it being a dark, weird movie and he enjoyed it more.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: TheDerelict on May 17, 2017, 07:12:31 AM
Ive seen Covenant four times now and it gets better every time i see it.

What i would say for anyone who's only seen it once but is on the fence about it, give it another go. First time i saw it i loved it but there were a few of scenes i wasn't sure about but on a second viewing they did not bother at all. I think first time round you have such high expectations but after that you know what is going to happen and you've slept on it and thought about it so you can approach the film from a different angle.

For me its a 10 out of 10 film.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: gantarat on May 17, 2017, 07:26:57 AM
give money to me and i will watch second time (for local dub)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Le Celticant on May 17, 2017, 07:27:39 AM
Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on May 10, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
For those who watched the movie,are the alien cgi better than those from the trailers?

Like the cgi on the tracking clip.The alien feels weightless while moving.
Did they correct it?
Same question about the shot with the neomorph opening its mouth.Were they unfinished shots used in the trailers?

Unequal at time, some animations felt nicely done while others lacked a good pass of polish.
Same thing concerning the Matte Painting which is surprising when it's one of the best thing they nailed in Prometheus.
It's likely to be due to very tight scheduled, Outsourcing to Australian VFX Company and MPC that probably used its newly opened Montreal Facility for tax rebates.

I've never understood the complain about the neomorph mouth opening, it's the nature of the shot itself that doesn't feel realistic (and is of course emphasized for the camera to get swallowed) rather than an animation problem.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: newagescamartist on May 17, 2017, 07:49:25 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on May 17, 2017, 07:27:39 AM
Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on May 10, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
For those who watched the movie,are the alien cgi better than those from the trailers?

Like the cgi on the tracking clip.The alien feels weightless while moving.
Did they correct it?
Same question about the shot with the neomorph opening its mouth.Were they unfinished shots used in the trailers?

Unequal at time, some animations felt nicely done while others lacked a good pass of polish.
Same thing concerning the Matte Painting which is surprising when it's one of the best thing they nailed in Prometheus.
It's likely to be due to very tight scheduled, Outsourcing to Australian VFX Company and MPC that probably used its newly opened Montreal Facility for tax rebates.

I've never understood the complain about the neomorph mouth opening, it's the nature of the shot itself that doesn't feel realistic (and is of course emphasized for the camera to get swallowed) rather than an animation problem.

Does that neomorph shot look as cheesy in the final movie as it did in the trailer?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: John Doe on May 17, 2017, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: salomonj on May 17, 2017, 02:19:20 AM
Quote from: John Doe on May 17, 2017, 12:00:30 AM
I saw it for the third time, and now i really love it.

Not perfect, i need more Engineers, but for me it´s a great movie.
glad to hear it, but out of curiosity what changed? You were pretty outspoken that you thought it was a unholy abomination...

After first showing i liked it: 6 / 10.

After second showing, same problems: 6 /10.

But seeeing for the third time i didn´t need more of Shaw, now i like this first evolution of teh Xeno (i prefer a man on a suit or puppet, but now i apreciate this new beast), it´s strong, it´s fast, it´s a killer monster. I hope to see an evolution to the classical Giger Xeno.

I still think Noomi was a better choice than Katherine, but it´s ok.

I love the beginning with Peter Weyland and David (no music), i love the neo birth and specially i love Michael Fassbender as David/Walter. It´s a movie about him, about his desires, about creation and it has so many thinks to study after multiples views.

7´5 /10.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 17, 2017, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: John Doe on May 17, 2017, 09:43:14 AMI still think Noomi was a better choice than Katherine, but it´s ok.

Really? I far preferred Katherine as a leading lady. Noomi seemed to be hampered by the fact she was acting in a second language, it really hurt her performance at times.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Jonesy1974 on May 17, 2017, 10:54:05 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 17, 2017, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: John Doe on May 17, 2017, 09:43:14 AMI still think Noomi was a better choice than Katherine, but it´s ok.

Really? I far preferred Katherine as a leading lady. Noomi seemed to be hampered by the fact she was acting in a second language, it really hurt her performance at times.

I really, really didn't like Noomi in Prometheus but Katherine Waterston really sold it for me. However this does make me understand how some people felt about what they did to Shaw, I'll be gutted if they do the same thing to Daniels.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: juxtapose on May 17, 2017, 01:04:13 PM
examining the poll it is interesting to see that 80 percent of us voted 3.5 stars and upwards. .so only 20 disliked it. .even better than the tomato meters 77 percent. .i hope this all translate's into a decent box office result!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Highland on May 17, 2017, 01:29:57 PM
Saw it tonight. Decent, but think I liked Prometheus slightly better. Have not read many reviews or forum threads but quickly

Liked -

The new Xeno ( as in the white one)
The first two thirds of the movie
David/Walter
New Burst Scenes

Didn't like -

Lack of tension build up, pay off was too quick
AVP pacing
Whole third act was garbage
Daniels inability to see what the entire audience was thinking despite clearly having doubts
Ending seemed kind of pointless.

6 out of 10.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ilikegriping on May 17, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
I watched it for the second time earlier tonight and in the week since my first viewing I'm fairly sure they've removed the "you blow and I'll do the fingering" line that got such a laugh. Did I imagine that or has anyone else noticed the same thing?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ingwar on May 17, 2017, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: Ilikegriping on May 17, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
I watched it for the second time earlier tonight and in the week since my first viewing I'm fairly sure they've removed the "you blow and I'll do the fingering" line that got such a laugh. Did I imagine that or has anyone else noticed the same thing?

They haven't removed it. Why would they?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Enoch on May 17, 2017, 09:39:01 PM
I've seen the movie. I will quote one IMDB user: "There's actually a great movie hiding in here. What brings it down is an extremely predictable structure." Well I myself think this movie was too short! Middle part and the ending in particular! Michael Fassbender really is great addition to the Alien universe (stellar performance)  but there are some worrisome inconsistencies and discrepancies regarding Covenants premise and its place in the whole Alien universe. Major questions are answered (in time many of those who claim opposite will find those answers). Is David the ultimate creator of Xenomorph as we know it from Alien, does lv 442 have something to do with David, does the story of Xenomorphs have deeper roots or everything begins with David? I dont think so and there are great hints. There is a lot of space for everything to make sense and to be in accordance with Alien plot.
I myself have some ideas how it could all fit very well, with a bit of imagination the next one could be really revelatory movie.

What I love about the movie:

DAVID!!! Brilliant performance and love the interactions of the two androids. Weird stuff.
I also loved all the philosophical aspects and all the literary references. (Again some
obvious mythologcal references)

Visuals are good (But Prometheus was better), many art references to be analysed.

Love the leads - Daniels and Tennesse against the Satan (David) in the next movie. Better characters and performances.
Love the ending scene with David and Das Rheingold ;D

Music!


Bad things: Too short middle and end part. Thats what happens when you need to make a movie you want and you know you cant because you dont have enough money. Those compromises you make will always cost you....

This movie was obviously not rushed, I would say it was comprimed. Ridley probably thought, lets give them what they want, that will make some serious money and I will have enough money for the next one. Then I will tell the whole story as I want it and end the shit in some weird manner or perthaps open some seriously feraky doors for many alien movies to come.

Dont like how they wanted to recycle Alien premise which is ultimately a core of Covenant.

My rating: 8  with a big minus

Ridley, you need to be bolder with the next one!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: salomonj on May 18, 2017, 02:09:46 AM
After the mouthburster, how long does the grass attack last?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Highland on May 18, 2017, 04:49:40 AM
Quote from: salomonj on May 18, 2017, 02:09:46 AM
After the mouthburster, how long does the grass attack last?

About 2 minutes, maybe not even that. That's generally one of the problems I had with the movie, there's a lot of potential for tense pant shitting scenes but ultimately they just move on after a scuffle to the next thing.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ilikegriping on May 18, 2017, 04:57:16 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 17, 2017, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: Ilikegriping on May 17, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
I watched it for the second time earlier tonight and in the week since my first viewing I'm fairly sure they've removed the "you blow and I'll do the fingering" line that got such a laugh. Did I imagine that or has anyone else noticed the same thing?

They haven't removed it. Why would they?


A minor gripe about an otherwise great scene.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Space Invader on May 18, 2017, 07:33:59 AM
Loved it, 10/10. As good as the first Alien and Aliens.
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Would've preferred a serpentine chestburster instead of a mini-alien, but that's not really a big deal. Was anyone else expecting the chestburster to do a little dance after raising it's arms, lol?

Still thinking that David recreated the Xenomorph using an ancient Engineer recipe (unless I missed it and it was mentioned in the movie?)
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Anyways, great movie, great characters and I really liked the Neomorph and Xenomorph.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Robopadna on May 18, 2017, 12:05:32 PM
Quote from: Ilikegriping on May 17, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
I watched it for the second time earlier tonight and in the week since my first viewing I'm fairly sure they've removed the "you blow and I'll do the fingering" line that got such a laugh. Did I imagine that or has anyone else noticed the same thing?

There is no way they would have done that.  If the scene made it in, it is in.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 18, 2017, 12:43:26 PM
Yeah, I really don't think they'd alter the film mid-run. Between press screenings and release, or later on home video, sure, but not while it's actually showing in cinemas.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Robopadna on May 18, 2017, 12:50:40 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 18, 2017, 12:43:26 PM
Yeah, I really don't think they'd alter the film mid-run. Between press screenings and release, or later on home video, sure, but not while it's actually showing in cinemas.

Seriously, the sheer logistics and cost of having to replace every single reel or HD with the new cut of the movie would far outweigh anything.  There isn't even a backlash to this, just some audience members laughing.

There would have to be something horrendously offensive that had protestors marching and boycotting seeing the movie (in which case they also probably wouldn't do it but just pull the movie instead).
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 18, 2017, 07:36:58 PM
Movie is weak. As a movie itself and as a horror too and as an alien film as well.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 18, 2017, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 18, 2017, 07:36:58 PM
Movie is weak. As a movie itself and as a horror too and as an alien film as well.

Man...the least you could do is explain why you didn't like it and try to back up your opinion with some valid and reasonable arguments...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Pavel2312 on May 18, 2017, 09:24:44 PM
Hey guys, long time lurker. Just saw alien covenant and decided to post an opinion.
I have seen alien at age 7 for the first time and been a fan of the franchise since age 13. After watching the movie i really think that ridley should pass the directional torch to "new blood". He still has the magic eye for visual and the overall idea of the movie is very good. But the implication of those ideas is poor, the pacing of the movie is too fast, the use of the characters is all wrong. The process of their decision making is not fit for trained crew of astronauts and soldiers. There is not a single logical decision or behaviour in the movie. I really believe that this script should have been handeld by another director. wasted oppertunity, nice sci fi movie but not even close to the standards of the first three.   
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 18, 2017, 09:37:24 PM
- Its starts of strong and well but falls flat finally.
- The way the Covenant stumbles upon the signal is the über randomness once again just like Prometheus find the pyramid. Lazy story writing and directing.
- The movie is a complete rip off in many ways of Alien/Aliens just to give you that sense of nostalgia feeling. Just like Jurassic World tried to do it to fool the audiance or Star Wars 7.
- Talking about stupid characters...i mean why on Earth Oram did what David told him right after he wanted to shoot him? Lazy storytelling and directing again. VERY LAZY. So said because Billy did an amazing job on the character. Not even talking about Rosenthal "BRB" moment. And of course she cleans her wounds with the water of an infected planet. Plus nobody is suspicius about David, no ,no...
- After David shows up...it just like Scott would walk out in front of the theater and would say "Sorry guys but f**k alien and the alien universe this will be a Blade Runner prequel/sequel/tie in about creator and creation". Lets face it, in the end he directed the script so not all on the screenwriters.
- Davids creating the xenomorph is utter BS. Even Scott admitted it he did it. Now thats causing serious trouble in the time line for Alien with the ancient ship and for Prometheus as well with the Alien dome.
- Killing of Shaw was weak and lazy story telling once again. While killing off Hicks and Newt served a purpose there is nothing here.
- Viral marketing and trailers spoiled heavily the somewhat okayish twists as well.
- They showed too much the creatures, they released the tension in every 2 mins with that.

I came to the theater to see Alien not Blade Runner in the end and it wasnt even a well written well directed movie.


Best thing was about this movie the new soundtrack bit and the neomorph part.


LIFE IS A MUCH MUCH BETTER ALIEN MOVIE IN 2017!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Butterfly on May 18, 2017, 09:46:32 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 18, 2017, 09:37:24 PM

Now thats causing serious trouble in the time line for Alien with the ancient ship and for Prometheus as well with the Alien dome.


To be fair, I'm pretty sure that David saw the alien-shaped inscription in the ship in Prometheus. We can always fanwank that he used it as an inspiration when he designed the creature. Granted, it's an incredibly dumb idea, but oh well... :p
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 18, 2017, 09:54:41 PM
I just cant believe they cant top Alien3 for 20+ yrs now. Which was a studio disaster after all. Shocking.

Fox need to get rid of Ridley...sad but true or hire REALLY REALLY GOOD WRITERS. Where Ridley cant screw up the story.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 18, 2017, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 18, 2017, 09:37:24 PM
- Its starts of strong and well but falls flat finally.
- The way the Covenant stumbles upon the signal is the über randomness once again just like Prometheus find the pyramid. Lazy story writing and directing.
- The movie is a complete rip off in many ways of Alien/Aliens just to give you that sense of nostalgia feeling. Just like Jurassic World tried to do it to fool the audiance or Star Wars 7.
- Talking about stupid characters...i mean why on Earth Oram did what David told him right after he wanted to shoot him? Lazy storytelling and directing again. VERY LAZY. So said because Billy did an amazing job on the character. Not even talking about Rosenthal "BRB" moment. And of course she cleans her wounds with the water of an infected planet. Plus nobody is suspicius about David, no ,no...
- After David shows up...it just like Scott would walk out in front of the theater and would say "Sorry guys but f**k alien and the alien universe this will be a Blade Runner prequel/sequel/tie in about creator and creation". Lets face it, in the end he directed the script so not all on the screenwriters.
- Davids creating the xenomorph is utter BS. Even Scott admitted it he did it. Now thats causing serious trouble in the time line for Alien with the ancient ship and for Prometheus as well with the Alien dome.
- Killing of Shaw was weak and lazy story telling once again. While killing off Hicks and Newt served a purpose there is nothing here.
- Viral marketing and trailers spoiled heavily the somewhat okayish twists as well.
- They showed too much the creatures, they released the tension in every 2 mins with that.

I came to the theater to see Alien not Blade Runner in the end and it wasnt even a well written well directed movie.


Best thing was about this movie the new soundtrack bit and the neomorph part.


LIFE IS A MUCH MUCH BETTER ALIEN MOVIE IN 2017!

-because...(insert arguments here).

-Finding an alien temple almost immediately on an immense and vast planet is totally different than stumbling accross a signal that can be received from a million miles away. If that is one of your gripes with this film you should per definition also hate Alien.

-Because he was curious and wanted to know what was inside the egg. It's a nod to the original, obviously. Rosenthal is just a dumb broad who thinks she's at a tea party with Nanny McPhee. Of course she shouldn't have wondered off alone but hey, at least she got what she deserved.

-The franchise has always been about aliens and androids so I don't see any problems here.

-Ridley isn't done yet with this series so maybe you should wait untill next movie before saying stuff like this.

- Shaw was annoying as f*ck so good riddens. And what purpose was served killing Hicks and Newt? Although I love the movie, it's one of my biggest gripes with Alien 3.

-What can I say, you have yourself to blame for watching it all and should have stayed away from any promotional material for the film.

-Isn't that why you wanted to see this movie in the first place? To see aliens?

Life ripped off Alien

nuff said.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 18, 2017, 10:44:46 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 18, 2017, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 18, 2017, 09:37:24 PM
- Its starts of strong and well but falls flat finally.
- The way the Covenant stumbles upon the signal is the über randomness once again just like Prometheus find the pyramid. Lazy story writing and directing.
- The movie is a complete rip off in many ways of Alien/Aliens just to give you that sense of nostalgia feeling. Just like Jurassic World tried to do it to fool the audiance or Star Wars 7.
- Talking about stupid characters...i mean why on Earth Oram did what David told him right after he wanted to shoot him? Lazy storytelling and directing again. VERY LAZY. So said because Billy did an amazing job on the character. Not even talking about Rosenthal "BRB" moment. And of course she cleans her wounds with the water of an infected planet. Plus nobody is suspicius about David, no ,no...
- After David shows up...it just like Scott would walk out in front of the theater and would say "Sorry guys but f**k alien and the alien universe this will be a Blade Runner prequel/sequel/tie in about creator and creation". Lets face it, in the end he directed the script so not all on the screenwriters.
- Davids creating the xenomorph is utter BS. Even Scott admitted it he did it. Now thats causing serious trouble in the time line for Alien with the ancient ship and for Prometheus as well with the Alien dome.
- Killing of Shaw was weak and lazy story telling once again. While killing off Hicks and Newt served a purpose there is nothing here.
- Viral marketing and trailers spoiled heavily the somewhat okayish twists as well.
- They showed too much the creatures, they released the tension in every 2 mins with that.

I came to the theater to see Alien not Blade Runner in the end and it wasnt even a well written well directed movie.


Best thing was about this movie the new soundtrack bit and the neomorph part.


LIFE IS A MUCH MUCH BETTER ALIEN MOVIE IN 2017!

-because...(insert arguments here).

-Finding an alien temple almost immediately on an immense and vast planet is totally different than stumbling accross a signal that can be received from a million miles away. If that is one of your gripes with this film you should per definition also hate Alien.

-Because he was curious and wanted to know what was inside the egg. It's a nod to the original, obviously. Rosenthal is just a dumb broad who thinks she's at a tea party with Nanny McPhee. Of course she shouldn't have wondered off alone but hey, at least she got what she deserved.

-The franchise has always been about aliens and androids so I don't see any problems here.

-Ridley isn't done yet with this series so maybe you should wait untill next movie before saying stuff like this.

- Shaw was annoying as f*ck so good riddens. And what purpose was served killing Hicks and Newt? Although I love the movie, it's one of my biggest gripes with Alien 3.

-What can I say, you have yourself to blame for watching it all and should have stayed away from any promotional material for the film.

-Isn't that why you wanted to see this movie in the first place? To see aliens?

Life ripped off Alien

nuff said.

i think you just try to reason everything because you liked Covenant a lot :)

Wait for next movie of Scott? You mean the 3rd movie? :D I wonder what kind of movie he will make next time after receiving all the negative comments on this one too. Because he changed his mind after Prometheus on the reviews.

As for the signal no...the neutrino burst was too convenient for the plot.
And no i wouldnt put my face into any alien life form after an evil robot who killed half of my crew tells me created all these by killing others. And i dont know where do you get this about Rosenthal..that character had 2 lines in the whole movie....

The death of Hicks and Newt set up the sacrafice of Ripley even more. Alien3 is still a great character drama.

And no a trailer shouldnt spoil a movie. Check old trailers and nowdays i cant believe you try to reason with this as well :D


I love Alien3 but i admit it has it flaws, BIG ones. One thing to like something and one thing to fanboy. And yes Life ripped of Alien much better than Covenant or Prometheus did. Ridley doesnt even know what hes doing at this point.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Alien³ on May 18, 2017, 10:55:04 PM
I don't have a problem with the neutrino burst leading to the crew discovering Shaw's signal.

It's the catalyst for the events to unwind, which emulates real life. A lot of people find themselves facing situations, they wouldn't have found themselves in, had a random event not occurred.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 18, 2017, 11:01:34 PM
@Alien³

Yeah i agree that was the least laziest plot device in the movie...unlike going off for having a cigarette, putting my face into small alien eggs, going off alone cleaing during alien attack, putting my face into giant alien eggs :D

https://youtu.be/Yov9SzmpwjE?t=12
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 2nd Chance Kiddo on May 18, 2017, 11:17:43 PM
Long-time gestating, first time bursting (onto the forum)... Here's my thoughts on Covenant.

Overall, I liked it. I really enjoyed the first half – I thought it created a dark tone from the first events we see aboard the Covenant, built a good level of tension and expectation, and had the right balance between Prometheus elements and moving the story into a more familiar 'Alien' film. However, like many, I was left a bit underwhelmed by the later part, especially the last act with the protomorph/xenomorph.

First half

I loved the inclusion of familiar musical elements from Alien in the Covenant score. Yeah, it wasn't very subtle but it worked in building the excitement and expectation, especially in the cut from the prologue to the title sequence and introduction of the colony ship.

I thought there was sufficient character building early on among the Covenant crew members. They weren't as naturalistic as the Nostromo crew or have dialogue as snappy as the Colonial Marines, and were not as distinctive as the prisoners of Fury 161 (joke!), but I bought into them.

I particularly felt for Oram who I thought was a tragic figure: struggling to take on leadership (but not shirking the responsibility), feeling guilt at the grave consequences of his decision-making and then ultimately falling into a trap. Yep, the writers could have done better to justify why he would allow himself to be led by David into that trap despite showing suspicion of him. One way I justified it in my mind was that he thought he was in control in that situation (he had the weapon) and, in an effort to prove himself as a leader, he would get answers from David as to what was going on and take them back to the group.

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I also wonder whether, instead of suffering the chestbursting almost immediately upon waking up, it would have been interesting to see Oram be told what was going to happen by David and have to deal with that knowledge and the danger it would represent to the rest of the group.
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On the issue of the chestburster and the whole strange tone of it, I'm not sure how I feel about it on first viewing. In Ridley's defence, maybe he was trying to do something completely different with it, knowing that he can't recapture the shock and disgust value of the original Kane birth scene? It felt somehow celebratory rather than frightening.

The neomorph sequences were great – moved well from tension to horror to wreckless panic, and conveyed the sheer viciousness of the creature from the moment of its birth. At one point, I thought we might see one squeeze through a gap in a wall like what I think was described of one of the creatures in the abandoned Jon Spaihts script.

Second half

I agree with most reviewers here that the pace of the second half was too fast and the eventual showdown with the xenomorph was disappointing. There was no time to see the Covenant crew explore what was happening to them. I don't mean they needed to sit around and expound on the meaning of everything, but once creatures started attacking, I don't remember them asking questions about the things they were seeing or how they could be dealt with, as happened in the original Alien films. Mainly, I think this would have lent some sense of awe to the eventual appearance of the xenomorph that I think was missing, as nice as it was to see a version of it back on the big screen. There didn't seem to be much attempt by the writers to develop the mythology of the xenomorph, and as far as the remainder of the crew were concerned, it was just another weird creature that needed to be dealt with.

I did like the very end scenes in the film.

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OK, it wasn't a massive surprise to find out it was David, but the thought of Daniels being sent to sleep at the very point she realised the full terror of the situation did stick with me – that will be a hypersleep full of bad dreams!
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Anyway, the film definitely left me thinking, and wanting to re-watch it to see if my view of the second half changes.

Ranking

Alien / Aliens
Alien 3
Alien: Covenant
Prometheus
Alien: Resurrection
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Mostly on May 18, 2017, 11:49:42 PM
Long time forum lurker here. Just watched the damn movie.

My capsule review is: 4/10. Utter crap.

My actual review: I am a total fan of the franchise (1,2,3) since I was kid. I even liked Prometheus to some extent. Reading the forums before watching the movie certainly didn't help...but still... There was no tension whatsoever, no scare jumps, no atmosphere, nothing. At least Prometheus had that sinister tone all over it. The visuals were great, but still not better than Prometheus. The creature's CGI was laughable. The story was falling apart after 60min in. A lot of cringeworthy moments...like David kissing walter after teaching him how to play the flute.

- laughable CGI of the creatures, especially the birth of the neomorph
- fast and furious type of action with cables and everything
- no tension, buildup, there were even no scare jumps
- mini alien raising hands
- androids kissing
- flute lessons
- everything that happened in the dome is total borefest.
- ultra messy third act
- xeno view
- the hunting and killing of the xeno is boring and predictable
- ditching all the questions that were left open from Prometheus

I can't think of any positive thing. Maybe David explaining how Walter can't create (the flute I know...)

Where Ridley wanted to go with this? It's half disabled Prometheus sequel with a few CGI xeno disasters thrown in.

Seems like Ridley lost his balls and creative mojo a long time ago.

BTW.. I'm not a hater. I love the franchise to death, but this movie is a total abomination. The worst part is that movies like this and AVP are shitting on the entire franchise...

To make an Alien movie you need:

- a scary dark planet
- scary dark corridors
- a terrified not so dumb crew with an android
- facehuggers that two persons can barely remove from somebody's face
- a practical big chap that lurks in the dark
- a pinch of unexplained misterious gigersque entities.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Beardomorph on May 18, 2017, 11:50:00 PM
So, I got to see it a second time in London today ( amazingly given the time and location I ended up being the only person in the whole thing, got to see it with a whole theatre to myself, lying down on a couch, I will remember that for a long time  ;D ), so I can now give a proper review of the movie.

We can criticise Rotten tomatoes all we like, the fact is that 75/78% is very much what this movie deserves.

This is a big step up from Prometheus. Apart from the overall idea of "travelling the universe to meet our maker", the only truly satisfying piece of Prometheus was the Shaw abortion scene. Everything else in the movie was ok at best, but mostly extremely frustrating. Covenant is very satisfying in many places, and occasionally frustrating, which makes for a better experience.

I have a few gripes with the movie. I'm going to list them first, but I want to say now that none of these mean the movie is bad or even mediocre. They just make the movie "good" instead of perfect. It keeps it below the level of the original two Alien movies, and it's a shame because clearly the potential was there for a slightly better movie. As it stands, Covenant is still a good movie with plenty to enjoy without reservations.

So, the gripes.
- That CGI in the neomorph birth scene is just not ok. Not in 2017, not in a franchise as important as this one, not with that budget, not with that much time to work on it. I have read people lament on how CG was painted onto practical effect, but I disagree. It works perfectly well in most of the movie. It just doesn't work when they CG-ed it from scratch. The newborn neomorph attacking Ejogo's character... that scene took me out of the movie completely, it was just extremely uneven, verging sometimes on the extremely bad. In the same scene ( the whole med-bay sequence ), I absolutely fail to understand Faris' reasoning for locking Ejogo's character in the room. It makes ZERO sense. She gets sprayed in the face by contaminated blood, so quarantine for everybody but her makes no sense, and it results in Ejogo's and Faris' death making no sense. Very frustrating because in my opinion up to this scene the movie had been PERFECT for a full hour on many levels.

- The last act. I don't get it. Such a well thought-out, storyboarded movie... And then, the last act, so unfocused, so messy to follow in the scenes that should have been the most important. On first viewing the dispatch of the first Alien made no sense to me. It worked slightly better on the second viewing, but it's still a messy piece of film-making. Similarly the lead-up to the final terraforming bay finale worked better the second time around, BUT that final release of the trucks with Daniels dodging the truck and the Alien at the last moment felt a bit forced. Forget "a bit". It felt really forced, and not only forced but way too quick. It's just a really messy piece of action, but how can you manage to f**k up the most important scene of your movie... really frustrating.

So. That said.
The positives.
There are long stretches when the movie is not only ok like Prometheus could be in its best moments, but also deeply satisfying as a cinematic experience ( which Prometheus really wasn't ).
Personally, in that respect the second viewing confirmed the first : the whole first hour is an incredible movie. There is nothing I don't like about it. I like all the characters, I like the prologue, I like the build up, I like the mysteries, I like Daniels' backstory and grief ( I cried with her ), I like the sails, I like the discovery and exploration of the planet. That whole hour is some of the best film-making I've ever witnessed in cinema. It made me as immensely happy the second time as it had done the first time.
Shame that the magic had to be undone with the neomorph birth scene. Maybe it made more sense in the script or in a previous iteration of the cut... I'm saying that because you can hear Faris' explanation through the glass a lot better in the first trailers than you can in the final movie where it seems they gave up trying to make sense of her character's actions altogether,

Most of what involves Oram and Daniels is great. Same as the reaction I had the first time around, the Oram/David/Neomorph scene is amazing. And proof that painting CGI on an actor really can work well. What an amazing scene.
Chestburster scene. Still amazing. That score! I mean, that works for most of the movie : that score from Jed Kurzel is perfect. Ok, maybe a bit forgettable in the half section, but that piece of music for the chest burster is genius. And that scene is incredibly beautiful.

The movie structure in itself is not at fault for the movie's flaws. I love the idea of having a full hour to get behind the team, half an hour to survive on the planet, half an hour to survive off it. Roughly. I think it works well. It's just a shame that a couple of important monster scenes end up being a bit messy/rushed.

By the way, the "bring it to my turf" scene worked a lot better the second time around. I personally love the filter they used for "Xeno-view", I thought it worked very well, and I thought the editing worked wonders. All these corridor doors closing looked amazing ( and again, the score! ). If there is one thing that let that whole section down it's the close-ups on "Walter"/David. We know it's David but it's really unclear and confusing as to whether we is trying to help, only witness, or on the side of the Xenomorph. It adds some really unnecessary confusion to the whole thing, which breaks the tension and focus where it really shouldn't.

Speaking of, mixing the positive with negative : all the David scenes in general are fascinating and will make for repeated viewing gold, but I think something has been lost in the final edit by being overtly obvious about the switch in the last act. The tension in the last act should be focused on the Tenessee/Daniels/Xeno dynamic. That's where the fun is. So having Walter around and knowing it's David is an extra ingredient that really doesn't work. It works once the Xeno has been dealt with, it even works wonderfully, but up to that point it makes for a pesky distraction.

So there you go. A deeply satisfying first hour. Satisfying extra moments scattered here and there in the second hour ( Engineer city, Engineer visuals, David/Walter scene, David/Oram, David/Daniels ), absolutely beautiful score almost throughout, but a couple of scenes that have sub-par CGI and messy editing in a couple of important scenes, including sadly the final confrontation.

A bit frustrating taken as a whole and all the more given how incredibly good the first hour is, but still way better and way more satisfying than Prometheus AND up there in my favourite of the series ( right after Alien and Aliens ).

By the way, on second viewing, there are definitely Giger-esque things growing out of Shaw's head... I don't mind mysteries ( there are lots of things left for us to ponder in Covenant in a good way ) but I wouldn't have minded some slightly more obviously challenging visuals when it came to Shaw mutating, or when it came to seeing Ejogo's corpse after the neomorph attack for example. Given the movie's rating, it could easily have been a bit more bold in a couple of places and would have been even more satisfying as a result.

A good movie. A good Sci-fi movie. A lot to ponder.
A bit extra care would have made an easy difference between satisfying and perfect though.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Game_Over_Man on May 19, 2017, 12:07:55 AM
Ok, fresh from the Showcase Cinema - many things I loved, but a few gripes. Overall, I think we need to accept the Alien has become a piece of the jigsaw in a grander story - Ridley's not doing the haunted house anymore (although there's a little of that I suppose). 

I don't agree that this is the right path, but I kind of understand what Ridley meant when he said it was cooked. Alien and Aliens are special and one offs. You shouldn't be trying to capture the same lightening in the bottle. Instead of going for scares, Ridley's got kinky and is going for perversion...out of honour to Giger, the biggest pervert of them all. Anyway, my review? When it's good, it's very very good. It just feels several million dollars and a couple of months post-production short of perfection. The script has many good ideas, and ties together much of the narrative mess of Prometheus. The problems with the film stem from a)
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not having the balls to go full out horror, for example by exploiting David's experimentation on Shaw - perhaps having her kept alive, a tortured mutation, producing eggs, mostly Alien, but something human still there
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and (b 
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the "rushed" edit of the climax. A big like Shaw in Prometheus, the final battle isn't as satisfying as it should be, and I put this down to keeping the running time to less than 2 hours. We're clearly missing some scenes / shots
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Is it a good film? Yes, absolutely. Is it of the standard of the first 3? Hmmm, no, but will we ever get that kind of fearsome storytelling again - you know, X-rated horror? Nope. So in many ways this is the best we could have expected. I think Ridley knows this, and is the very reason why he's pursuing a God-Quest theme opposed to anything else.






Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Highland on May 19, 2017, 12:14:54 AM
Am i the only one that liked Prometheus better than Covenant? Actually, if you stop Covenant when David turns up then I'll give it slightly to Covenant, but the third act of the movie is so horrendously bad it drags it right past for me.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: newbeing on May 19, 2017, 12:26:59 AM
Quote from: Highland on May 19, 2017, 12:14:54 AM
Am i the only one that liked Prometheus better than Covenant? Actually, if you stop Covenant when David turns up then I'll give it slightly to Covenant, but the third act of the movie is so horrendously bad it drags it right past for me.

For all the problems Prometheus had it felt more in line with "ALIEN" than Covenant does.It was also grander in scale and at least tried to adhere to some science and bigger themes of the franchise. It's still a mess, but at least it was a grand one that tried a few new tricks, while maintaining mystery. Agree with you that Covenant has a much stronger start than Prometheus.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Richman678 on May 19, 2017, 02:22:36 AM
Ok I just saw it!!!

I think it was rushed. I think it was really rushed. I think Fassbender is the stand out of coarse. However, I think Billy Crudup was the second standout.

Waterson felt very flat to me. McBride was ok. James Franco was amazing!!!!!

The CGI was not good. It wasn't god awful though.

The story was just like Prometheus!!!! It's still full of holes!!! Everyone always said that the scientists don't really act like scientists in Prometheus. Well these people don't act normal here either. The female who gets decapitated runs off by herself. Oram allows it too!!! Safety in numbers people!!!

So as a fan here we are again with a lifecycle issue. The amount of time for Oram and Lope contradicts itself in the same movie for christs sake!!!

My favorite scene was the chestburster actually. It's so stupid, but it has heart.....which makes no sense it's a f**king alien!!!

I how the hell did he go from The Martian to this???

In short this movie is comparable to The Lost World. (Jurassic park 2) its rushed and lacking character, but there are some good parts.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Nostromo on May 19, 2017, 03:08:00 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 11, 2017, 09:20:46 AM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 10, 2017, 04:49:08 PMMy overall feeling is that it was a decent film, but had some flaws, and as an Alien fan a few things really pissed me off.

This is pretty much spot-on.

Same here...8 with a big really big minus.

What I liked:

- The big newborn beluga looking alien...really creepy.

- That beeping music that kept playing

- David & Walter

- Some of the crew, notably the women, except the one that didn't want to open the door but than she did..

What I didn't like:

- The crap Alien cgi..I knew it would suck

- A story & writing that felt a bit hurried and washed

- Again some dumb dumb writing and scenes...why don't you shove your head in a big ass egg Ridley

- Only 1-2 good Alien scenes

- Too much storyline about David

- That whole Jungle scene...too much Aliens life & death

- A lot of copied scenes from Alien Isolation which were alright but should have been done more like in Alien instead of all that stupid jumping around.

- Too many Alien runner scenes instead of creepy Alien..

- Too friggin rushed

Alien
Aliens

Prometheus

Alien Covenant





All da rest
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Parker on May 19, 2017, 03:22:48 AM
Parker's Review:

Just got back from my first viewing and, frankly, it's a lot to digest. But here are some things that stood out to me:

1) The score was a little heavy on the Goldsmith rehashing, but at the same time, I really enjoyed the Prometheus theme's return, and I even heard a little Goldenthal in there at times.

2) Tennessee was a great character, but could have definitely benefited from a "sidekick" ala Bret while he was up there by himself, as the two extra crew members did very little to add to his performance.

3) The first half of the movie was solid.  But, like Hicks and multiple others have already discussed, the second half just flew by.  It's clear that despite what he's said in interviews, Riddles believes that the original Xeno-type alien has completely run its course.  The super-fast facehugger to chestburster to full size xeno process just really left a bad taste in my mouth. 

4) More of the Walter and David interaction would have been a plus!  Those were easily the best scenes in the movie, imo.  I know it's far-fetched, but it'd be awesome if Walter returns in one of the future movies. 

5) I also hope there is an extended cut of the film that's eventually released that includes the Shaw/David scene and the extra James Franco scene that was removed.  It'd also be great if there was a little more explanation of what exactly David did  to Shaw to make her head look all Giger-y when Walter finds her.  But alas, we never got the Prometheus extended cut so it might be a shot in the dark.

6) Daniels was fine. I didn't think she was a Ripley clone.  It'll be interesting to see what happens if/when she and Tennessee end up "Awakening"

7) It's probably not possible these days, but man would I love to see an alien again that's not completely CG.  I mean there were parts that were God-awful to observe. 

8) It would've been cool to see a Neo vs. Xeno battle with David as a close observer, taking notes for his future creation projects.

9) I wish Crudup had survived as well.  He was finally beginning to come into his own when he was 5 second facehugged and bursted.  Loved that "I met the devil when I was a boy..." line. 

I can't come up with a #10 right now lol, but I think thought the movie was good overall.  Not a "perfect organism" by any means, but still better than some of the other installments we've had to witness.

Right now the list is:
Aliens Directors Cut
Alien (either one, they're both awesome)
Alien 3 Assembly Cut
Alien Covenant
Prometheus
Alien Resurrection
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: banecat on May 19, 2017, 04:04:58 AM
just got back and i liked it, didn't love it. ideas wise and probably overall, i preferred prometheus. i miss practical effects and the cg bummed me out quite a bit. felt pretty sad about shaw and the engineers, or lack of. fingers crossed awakening, or whatever it turns out to be, answers all of those original origin questions. 3 out of 5
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: GreybackElder on May 19, 2017, 04:35:17 AM
Just got back from seeing Alien Covenant and I must say it was definitely an enjoyable edition to The franchise. I loved the first couple of acts of the movie. The plot, character development and Neomorphs were great.
Like so many of you I was bummed by a number of things particularly involving the xenomorph.  I must say I was pleased with the overall design; I thought it looked great even though most of it was CGI. Let's face it ladies and gentlemen it's never going back to guys in suites(with majority use throughout a film)as long as there's CGI.
I agree with you guys in the facehugger scene was rushed as well as the growth of the Alien. My least favorite part of the whole movie was the chestburster scene, it started out great then poof it's a miniature xeno.  What was with it copying David's outstretched arms and body movements?!? Weird.
David creating the Xeno didn't bug me as much as I thought it would. Although I love the idea of the Xeno being this ancient alien race birthed forth while the cosmos were still young. Found only in the deepest darkest reaches of space and nightmares. Hopefully this is still the case.
The whole act on the covenant felt so rushed. I didnt feel that the Xeno was scary because the film was going a mile a minute at that point.
Finally, the "twist" at the end. I don't think anyone with a brain was fooled by this. I would have been more suprised if it actually was Walter. Overall though I thought it was a fun, worthy addition to Alien. 6 out of 10.
Aliens->Alien->Alien covenant (crazy right?)->Alien 3->Prometheus ->Alien Resurrection
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Fonnyghoul on May 19, 2017, 04:58:36 AM
Just got back from seeing it and processing my thoughts:
Loved
the first part of the movie. I really liked the setup going into the second act.
Most of the main characters
Xeno fight on rig with claw
Back/ Throat bursters
Ok
David and Walt interaction
Not ok
Xeno and Neo rapid growth

So most of these are pretty much spot on with a lot of other peoples view of the movie But I blame Shaw for all this crap. If she didn't put David back together this would have never happened..👎 I liked the movie though and once again more questions than answers

Imo
Alien
Aliens
Covenant
Prometheus
Alien 3
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: DemonicD13 on May 19, 2017, 05:00:25 AM
LIFE IS A MUCH MUCH BETTER ALIEN MOVIE IN 2017!

Yeah, I had way more fun watching Life.

How exactly did the second alien get onto the covenant? The second facehugger wasn't on long enough to do anything. Confused?

Overall I'm disappointed, I like Prometheus better.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Mr. Forest on May 19, 2017, 05:12:04 AM
I don't want anymore Alien movies from Ridley Scott, and this is coming from someone who likes Prometheus.

Covenant was so disappointing.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 19, 2017, 05:34:40 AM
I am going to do a proper review tomorrow but I will say I really, really enjoyed it! And not for the reasons I thought I would...

The bit about David getting the author of the poem wrong, and Walter's response...that was brilliant.

I realize something though. If you came to this movie for scary, tense Xeno kills, you will not enjoy it. The xeno and other creatures are interesting, yes, but the real focus of the movie is David. And it's very captivating to me. If that is not your thing, so be it, but damn this movie hit all the right notes for my personal taste. I loved it.

The xeno changes I can accept because I do not believe this is the same big chap. Regardless, I can accept David creating them in this form because David is an interesting character. I get the sense that is where Ridley Scott's true interest is and love what he has done with it. That ending...."I will look after the children" ...referencing the embryos....horrifying.

People discussing the movie coming out if it, couple guys I talked to enjoyed it.

My rankings...
Alien + Aliens
Covenant
Prometheus (if only now raised because Covenant makes David's story more interesting in Prometheus) + Alien 3
Alien Ressurection
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 19, 2017, 08:20:53 AM
Quote from: Hennex Forest on May 19, 2017, 05:12:04 AM
I don't want anymore Alien movies from Ridley Scott, and this is coming from someone who likes Prometheus.

Covenant was so disappointing.

BECAUSE? Seriously people, back up your your damn opinion or shut the hell up. Covenant was a good movie, end of story. Stop trolling!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Ballzanya on May 19, 2017, 08:32:03 AM
  I liked the film. There are a couple of caveats to this, but overall, this is definitely the best film in the Alien franchise in a long ass time. Way better, more thoughtful, and deliberate than Alien: Resurrection and better than Alien 3 (which although many fans have grown to appreciate more over the years, remains a seriously flawed, and underwhelming film and not the proper final piece of the trilogy that it was originally intended to be)

   One thing was quite clear though, this film and all the Alien Prequels have a certain linchpin and that is the android, David. Although there were neomorphs and a couple proto-morphs (earliest protoype versions of the alien lacking the more biomechanical aspects and longer gestation cycle), they were not front and center, a.k.a not the main focus of the film. Instead everything gravitates around furthering and eventually completing David's story arc, and all the themes and philosophical questions that orbit his character's persona and motivations. (Creation, feeling superior to the inferior humans who created him, suffering from many of the flaws humanity has from his perspective etc., the desire to reach transcendence and leave a lasting legacy, acheive perfection in some way)
   i found Michael Fassbender's performance as both David and the more benign, more robotic, Walter to be absolutely spellbinding. The scenes where they were both together were just enchanting, strange, and at times a bit humorous in a non-slap-stick kind of way. The fight scene between them was done much better than what I had read from reviews, and the kiss was not what was hinted at in many of the reviews, but rather a kiss of death, mafia style, which is delievered to Walter. (Before David stabs him in the neck with the flute)
   The score was above average as well. The haunting music that played as the backburster neomorph emerged from its embryonic sac was just eerie, the use of the Prometheus theme, and the callback to one of the themes played in the the original Alien felt like welcome but not overdone/overused bits of nostalgia.
   The neomorphs were cool as well, despite the obvious need to have them be complete cg nightmarish creatures. They didn't get much screen time but without making a film more like Aliens but with lots of neomorphs instead of xenomorphs, I don't know how that could have been avoided.(As people had guns, and there were only two of the beasties in the film)

     After reading reviews and watching reviews on youtube, at least the non-spoiler ones, I went to see the film with low expectations of how good the cgi would be or how often it would be used. After having seen the film, I was pleasantly surprised. While on the one hand I prefer practical shots of the xenomorph on the big screen, there was nothing that stood out as being like a video game or just laughable like say a sy-fy channel original movie's use of cg. You could tell the alien was cg, but the design of the creature itself was better than what's been seen over the last 15 years or so. It looked as good if not better than what we last saw in Alien 3.(certainly far surpassing the disappointing design of the aliens in Resurrection)
      All the acting was good, and the plot was more than serviceable. People do seem to notice/complain about the accelerated birth/lifecycle of the creatures, but I think it makes sense since they are still directly connected to the virus/black goo which produces abberations/hybrid creatures meant to be as deadly and efficient as possible. Once the xenomorphs become a creature onto their own, generations removed from those spawned by the engineers bioweapon, (and add a queen to the life cycle) it makes more sense that slower gestation rates would result. (that's my interpretation in any event)
    The only things I really didn't like were that the iconic xenomorph(even if a protomorph iteration) was only in the film in the third act and even then, it was brief. The other thing was the chestburster that came out of Oram. It was just bizarre, a very thin but miniature version of an adult alien.(as opposed to say something like the "bambi burster" from Alien 3, which is more of what I expected after seeing the magazine scan of it)
     In summary, I did like the film a lot. I would indeed say it was a little bit better than Prometheus, but obviously nowhere close to being as good or epic as the first two films in the franchise. (But if anyone expected that, then they'd have to be more than a little naive)  I'd give this film a 7.5 out of 10.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Bad Replicant on May 19, 2017, 08:34:17 AM
Beautiful, chilling, grotesque, haunting, dreamlike, brutal, and actually genuinely scary at certain points. I am pleased. It saddens me that a lot of people aren't, but I understand it to a degree -- I feel like this is the strangest movie in the series. And I really don't get reviews that I've seen claiming it brings nothing new to the table. This movie was twisted. Is it perfect? Of course not. But given everything I was seeing people say for a week, I was so... thrilled. At the time Prometheus was being made, the most recent point of reference for anything 'horror'-like that Ridley had done was Hannibal (yes, another movie many people dislike, but I love). I envisioned a movie with an aura similar to that, though what was released was totally different. This is far more like the movie I was imagining then. It's Ridley's sheer craziness laid out on the screen, but applied in all of the best ways instead of misguided ones. Impressed.

So, yeah, I liked it. Don't know how many people there are here that do, but uh, count me in.

:-*
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: windebieste on May 19, 2017, 08:50:33 AM
I enjoyed it a lot.  I think it has a great deal of merit.  There's still mystery left in this series - it's just shifted direction. 

The Alien is becoming something a lot different to what audiences were expecting. 

It's also the 2nd piece of (at least) a 3 act story.  There's good reason why a lot has been withheld. 

I enjoy the fact the movie isn't easily digestible popcorn fluff.  It's brutal in ways 'Star Wars' can never be.  It's more menacing than anything 'MCU' can ever deliver.  There's real meat on these bones.  It's not going to satisfy everyone.  I like that about it.

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 19, 2017, 09:15:35 AM
Quote from: Snake on May 18, 2017, 10:17:23 PMLife ripped off Alien

Doesn't mean it can't be a more enjoyable, cohesive movie.

Alien ripped off Forbidden Planet.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 19, 2017, 09:41:58 AM
Why David turned to a maniac psycho killer after all? That prologue doesnt add up with Prometheus as there were no traces of this behavior. Was he waiting for Weylands death to be free?

He was so much different to Prometheus David. Nothing complex.

Walter was far more intresting and i would loved a twist where Walter turns evil.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Jonesy1974 on May 19, 2017, 10:14:56 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 19, 2017, 09:15:35 AM
Quote from: Snake on May 18, 2017, 10:17:23 PMLife ripped off Alien

Doesn't mean it can't be a more enjoyable, cohesive movie.

Alien ripped off Forbidden Planet.

Life is ok, totally forgettable and bland but ok. The only reason people preferred it is because it didn't have the burden of expectation that Covenant had.

If Covenant was just a sci-fi Alien rip off like Life is rather than part of the actual franchise, people would definitely say its a better movie than life, because it clearly is.

I believe Covenant will be viewed as a great movie in years to come once the dust has settled.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 19, 2017, 10:28:39 AM
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on May 19, 2017, 10:14:56 AMIf Covenant was just a sci-fi Alien rip off like Life is rather than part of the actual franchise, people would definitely say its a better movie than life, because it clearly is.

Debatable. Life was a lot more tense and scary than Covenant. The pacing was also better. And it set up its shock first death much better because the victim was actually a main character who had appeared on-screen beforehand, rather than just being a famous actor you struggle to identify until after he's dead.

Life did a lot of things better than Covenant. I agree it had the advantage of no prior baggage but even so I think it was better crafted in some ways.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 19, 2017, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: szkoki on May 19, 2017, 09:41:58 AM
Why David turned to a maniac psycho killer after all? That prologue doesnt add up with Prometheus as there were no traces of this behavior. Was he waiting for Weylands death to be free?

He was so much different to Prometheus David. Nothing complex.

Walter was far more intresting and i would loved a twist where Walter turns evil.


It was explained somewhat in the movie and much of it is meant to be figured out via the many clues within the film. I will give you one: David incorrectly names the poem author, as brought up by Walter. Why would an android be wrong about this? How is that even possible? Its there for you to figure out among other clues too.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 19, 2017, 10:34:44 AM
The creature in Life is really nice but the rest, zzzzzzzz
A terrific mixture of Alien and Gravity, generic to the possible and with absolutely no idea or thematic developed.
I don't talk about the characters, without interest, and sometimes stupid too!
Too bad because the first sequence with the creature (and main character) is excellent.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 19, 2017, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: Stolen on May 19, 2017, 10:34:44 AMA terrific mixture of Alien and Gravity, generic to the possible and with absolutely no idea or thematic developed.

The portrayal of the Alien in Covenant was pretty generic.

Quote from: Stolen on May 19, 2017, 10:34:44 AMI don't talk about the characters, without interest, and sometimes stupid too!

Not sure which film you're referring to here, because that definitely applied to some of the characters in Covenant too.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Jonesy1974 on May 19, 2017, 10:42:56 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 19, 2017, 10:28:39 AM
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on May 19, 2017, 10:14:56 AMIf Covenant was just a sci-fi Alien rip off like Life is rather than part of the actual franchise, people would definitely say its a better movie than life, because it clearly is.

Debatable. Life was a lot more tense and scary than Covenant. The pacing was also better. And it set up its shock first death much better because the victim was actually a main character who had appeared on-screen beforehand, rather than just being a famous actor you struggle to identify until after he's dead.

Life did a lot of things better than Covenant. I agree it had the advantage of no prior baggage but even so I think it was better crafted in some ways.

I didn't find that a shock, I called it as soon as he entered the room. For me it screamed, big name actor dies early shock horror!

Every beat of the movie was predictable for me and I didn't really like the pacing either, the last 30 mins or so I was actually checking my watch.

Don't get me wrong I did enjoy it but in a disposable watch and forget way. I couldn't debate anything about it because it just wasn't interesting enough to do so IMO. At least everyone is talking about Covenant!


Quote from: cucuchu on May 19, 2017, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: szkoki on May 19, 2017, 09:41:58 AM
Why David turned to a maniac psycho killer after all? That prologue doesnt add up with Prometheus as there were no traces of this behavior. Was he waiting for Weylands death to be free?

He was so much different to Prometheus David. Nothing complex.

Walter was far more intresting and i would loved a twist where Walter turns evil.


It was explained somewhat in the movie and much of it is meant to be figured out via the many clues within the film. I will give you one: David incorrectly names the poem author, as brought up by Walter. Why would an android be wrong about this? How is that even possible? Its there for you to figure out among other clues too.

Yes that was a key, important moment for me. I'm not totally sure what it means though Lol.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Stolen on May 19, 2017, 10:48:43 AM
The Alien part is the least interesting part of the film! But the rest is superb, we don't often see such sets or visuals in theaters nowadays!

Yes there are stupid actions in Covenant, but not as much as in Life in my opinion. David is a pretty amazing character, Walter very interesting, I love Oram!

In Life, we have no character that stands out, no development, no idea, it's just a monster behind closed doors. Just my tought! I need more. Covenant is flawed but there is a lot of material to analyze, and I prefer that!

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Jonesy1974 on May 19, 2017, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: Stolen on May 19, 2017, 10:48:43 AM
The Alien part is the least interesting part of the film! But the rest is superb, we don't often see such sets or visuals in theaters nowadays!

Yes there are stupid actions in Covenant, but not as much as in Life in my opinion. David is a pretty amazing character, Walter very interesting, I love Oram!

In Life, we have no character that stands out, no development, no idea, it's just a monster behind closed doors. Just my tought! I need more. Covenant is flawed but there is a lot of material to analyze, and I prefer that!

Totally agree with everything you said
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 19, 2017, 11:15:24 AM
Quote from: Stolen on May 19, 2017, 10:48:43 AM
The Alien part is the least interesting part of the film! But the rest is superb, we don't often see such sets or visuals in theaters nowadays!

Yes there are stupid actions in Covenant, but not as much as in Life in my opinion. David is a pretty amazing character, Walter very interesting, I love Oram!

In Life, we have no character that stands out, no development, no idea, it's just a monster behind closed doors. Just my tought! I need more. Covenant is flawed but there is a lot of material to analyze, and I prefer that!

Agreed and actually the xenomorph being in the film as it was has a purpose. I will write up why later (will take some time) but essentially David has believed he created something perfect but you can see from his reactions that he is disappointed they were dispatched rather easily. He obviously knew they had to be dealt with so he could have all the colonists to himself but he had a look of disdain when they xenos perished. The camera really focused on his reactions.

He will be looking to perfect his creation in order to both 1) increase their survivability/increase their intelligence and 2) make them easier to control. I believe he will do this through some kind of biomechanical infusion....and it will turn against him.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: DemonicD13 on May 19, 2017, 12:46:37 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 19, 2017, 08:20:53 AM
Quote from: Hennex Forest on May 19, 2017, 05:12:04 AM
I don't want anymore Alien movies from Ridley Scott, and this is coming from someone who likes Prometheus.

Covenant was so disappointing.

BECAUSE? Seriously people, back up your your damn opinion or shut the hell up. Covenant was a good movie, end of story. Stop trolling!

Why should all of us have to submit a two page report to say we didn't enjoy the film. I didn't like it, I shouldn't have to write an essay about it.

Here, you want one reason? This is one. The Scooby-Doo "Walter is really David" twist had me groaning in my seat the moment he stepped out of the temple.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: CrespiChickenStrips on May 19, 2017, 01:13:31 PM
Random thoughts the morning after my first viewing -
I thought the justification as to why this crew would investigate a rogue transmission was well handled ie - habitable planet closer than Origae, recent death in the sleep pods, etc.

I AM WILLING to look past it, but all the misfortune the Covenant crew experiences could have been avoided if they had taken basic precautions and used helmets/suits on this uncharted Alien world, no matter how suitable to human life it is.

The growth of all the creatures in the film is a bit too accelerated for my tastes, I know we are talking sci-fi here but it just doesn't seem realistic or congruent to the rest of the series.

The dynamic between David and Walter is the real highlight and core of the film.  David's workshop is one of the most haunting visual setpieces in the entire series.  David's contempt for humanity is well explored, but I feel David's motivations for slaughtering the Engineers and murdering Shaw in the cruelest ways possible could have been much better elaborated upon.  He makes a grave, a garden, and a tribute song for Shaw as if he truly had affection for her.  So why experiment on her and defile her?

I never interpreted the "fingering/blowing" line with the flute as some sort of sexual innuendo/joke.  That's how a flute works.  I'm not sure why people are running with this.

Speaking of haunting setpieces, the bombing scene was gruesomely beautiful.  I loved seeing the weapon deployed on a massive scale and the havoc that wrought on the Engineer's biology.  You could see hybrid creatures ripping themselves from the husks of the Engineers.  "To create, one must first destroy" indeed.  Humans were obsolete creations to the Engineers, and this appears to be David's perception as well.

The Neomorph not attacking/killing David makes NO SENSE to me.  It's been established that the creatures of this series will kill Synthetics with Bishop being the obvious reference point.

I would have preferred the film to lean a bit more on practical effects and less on CGI for the creature work.  Despite this, the Neomorphs were handled very well and I like that they have the look of the "beluga" from the Prometheus concept art.  I could swear that when Oram was shooting it and it bared its jaws, it looked like the toothy mouth of the original concept art.

The shower scene is disappointing on many levels, primarily in character motivation and logic.  The crew have just survived a harrowing endeavor.  Surely there is something more natural this couple could have been doing when they get killed by the Xeno than blasting music and getting intimate.

The body language for the Alien was handled well all the way until the Terraforming Bay scene where it loped into the room like a dude taking his work break and going out for a smoke.

The Daved/Walter switcheroo was WAY too obviously Telegraphed.  One of them might as well have had a Spock mustache.  Daniels gives a number of sideways glances, insinuating she suspects something is awry.  Why wait until you are at your most compromised, in the sleep pod, to challenge that notion?

Final thoughts - despite any problems I have with the film, I quite enjoyed the experience and look forward to revisiting it soon.  The characters and their interactions felt much more natural and logical than in Prometheus and I can safely say that this is the superior film.  I would have liked to see some more resolution/closure from the unresolved threads from Prometheus.  It's clear that David is the focus of this prequel saga and the series benefits from the philosophical questions he poses.  It's also nice to have an antagonist that isn't just the faceless W-Y Corp. for once.  The first and second acts were full of mystery, dread, and moody setpieces.  The third act is a bit disappointing as it is quite derivative of the first Alien and somewhat rushed.  I'd rate Prometheus a 4/10 and Alien: Covenant a 7/10.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 19, 2017, 01:17:55 PM
Quote from: DemonicD13 on May 19, 2017, 12:46:37 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 19, 2017, 08:20:53 AM
Quote from: Hennex Forest on May 19, 2017, 05:12:04 AM
I don't want anymore Alien movies from Ridley Scott, and this is coming from someone who likes Prometheus.

Covenant was so disappointing.

BECAUSE? Seriously people, back up your your damn opinion or shut the hell up. Covenant was a good movie, end of story. Stop trolling!

Why should all of us have to submit a two page report to say we didn't enjoy the film. I didn't like it, I shouldn't have to write an essay about it.

Here, you want one reason? This is one. The Scooby-Doo "Walter is really David" twist had me groaning in my seat the moment he stepped out of the temple.

It was not a twist in the traditional sense. The film gives plenty of obvious signs that it is David, but it leaves you guessing on where his motivations are in regards to the remaining crew and Xenos. He even looks disappointed as the Xenos are dispatched, even though you can tell he knows its necessary if he wants the Covenant and its passengers/embryos to himself. The surprise is intended to be from the perspective of Daniels.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: gantarat on May 19, 2017, 01:27:26 PM
It's obvious since michael fassbender play 2 charaters .
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Nostromo on May 19, 2017, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: Mostly on May 18, 2017, 11:49:42 PM
Long time forum lurker here. Just watched the damn movie.

My capsule review is: 4/10. Utter crap.

My actual review: I am a total fan of the franchise (1,2,3) since I was kid. I even liked Prometheus to some extent. Reading the forums before watching the movie certainly didn't help...but still... There was no tension whatsoever, no scare jumps, no atmosphere, nothing. At least Prometheus had that sinister tone all over it. The visuals were great, but still not better than Prometheus. The creature's CGI was laughable. The story was falling apart after 60min in. A lot of cringeworthy moments...like David kissing walter after teaching him how to play the flute.

- laughable CGI of the creatures, especially the birth of the neomorph
- fast and furious type of action with cables and everything
- no tension, buildup, there were even no scare jumps
- mini alien raising hands
- androids kissing
- flute lessons
- everything that happened in the dome is total borefest.
- ultra messy third act
- xeno view
- the hunting and killing of the xeno is boring and predictable
- ditching all the questions that were left open from Prometheus

I can't think of any positive thing. Maybe David explaining how Walter can't create (the flute I know...)

Where Ridley wanted to go with this? It's half disabled Prometheus sequel with a few CGI xeno disasters thrown in.

Seems like Ridley lost his balls and creative mojo a long time ago.

BTW.. I'm not a hater. I love the franchise to death, but this movie is a total abomination. The worst part is that movies like this and AVP are shitting on the entire franchise...

To make an Alien movie you need:

- a scary dark planet
- scary dark corridors
- a terrified not so dumb crew with an android
- facehuggers that two persons can barely remove from somebody's face
- a practical big chap that lurks in the dark
- a pinch of unexplained misterious gigersque entities.


Wow, everything you said from A to Z is exactly how I see it too. I gave the review an 8/10 on IMDB to help out the ratings there, but I'd give it an 6.5 or 7 tops out of 10.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 19, 2017, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on May 19, 2017, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: Mostly on May 18, 2017, 11:49:42 PM
Long time forum lurker here. Just watched the damn movie.

My capsule review is: 4/10. Utter crap.

My actual review: I am a total fan of the franchise (1,2,3) since I was kid. I even liked Prometheus to some extent. Reading the forums before watching the movie certainly didn't help...but still... There was no tension whatsoever, no scare jumps, no atmosphere, nothing. At least Prometheus had that sinister tone all over it. The visuals were great, but still not better than Prometheus. The creature's CGI was laughable. The story was falling apart after 60min in. A lot of cringeworthy moments...like David kissing walter after teaching him how to play the flute.

- laughable CGI of the creatures, especially the birth of the neomorph
- fast and furious type of action with cables and everything
- no tension, buildup, there were even no scare jumps
- mini alien raising hands
- androids kissing
- flute lessons
- everything that happened in the dome is total borefest.
- ultra messy third act
- xeno view
- the hunting and killing of the xeno is boring and predictable
- ditching all the questions that were left open from Prometheus

I can't think of any positive thing. Maybe David explaining how Walter can't create (the flute I know...)

Where Ridley wanted to go with this? It's half disabled Prometheus sequel with a few CGI xeno disasters thrown in.

Seems like Ridley lost his balls and creative mojo a long time ago.

BTW.. I'm not a hater. I love the franchise to death, but this movie is a total abomination. The worst part is that movies like this and AVP are shitting on the entire franchise...

To make an Alien movie you need:

- a scary dark planet
- scary dark corridors
- a terrified not so dumb crew with an android
- facehuggers that two persons can barely remove from somebody's face
- a practical big chap that lurks in the dark
- a pinch of unexplained misterious gigersque entities.


Wow, everything you said from A to Z is exactly how I see it too. I gave the review an 8/10 on IMDB to help out the ratings there, but I'd give it an 6.5 or 7 tops out of 10.

David kissing Walter was obviously meant to be some sort of kiss of death, think of Judas when he kissed Jesus. I thought it was brilliant.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: P1NK8C1DBOOTS on May 19, 2017, 03:49:15 PM
I left the cinema with mixed feelings about it!

The first half I loved...the pacing was brilliant...the suspense....but what the actual f**k happened towards the end?! Does Ridley Scott even remember anything about the Alien and it's life cycle! I just feel very annoyed with it! A 5 minute chestburster?! Seriously?! A fully grown alien in minutes?! I did think the graphics were great....and the alien did look amazing!

I am hoping it was heavily cut and when the blu ray comes it will put the footage back to help with the timing! 

I also feel a little cheated with Shaw....controversial I know but I actually liked her....and what was the point of her filming stuff for it not to be in the film.....I saw the crossing prolouge and got all geared up for her to be in the film! I'm sure there is plenty more footage out there to come with her in it....

Overall it's an Alien film.....I love this franchise....and for the most part I did enjoy it! I just hope the blu ray helps fix the last 3rd act!

P's....f**k David!

Oh and on a side note.....why was Walter called Walter....it didn't follow the pattern off Ash... Bishop.... Call ....David....and then Walter?! Just a little big bear!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 19, 2017, 03:54:05 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 19, 2017, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on May 19, 2017, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: Mostly on May 18, 2017, 11:49:42 PM
Long time forum lurker here. Just watched the damn movie.

My capsule review is: 4/10. Utter crap.

My actual review: I am a total fan of the franchise (1,2,3) since I was kid. I even liked Prometheus to some extent. Reading the forums before watching the movie certainly didn't help...but still... There was no tension whatsoever, no scare jumps, no atmosphere, nothing. At least Prometheus had that sinister tone all over it. The visuals were great, but still not better than Prometheus. The creature's CGI was laughable. The story was falling apart after 60min in. A lot of cringeworthy moments...like David kissing walter after teaching him how to play the flute.

- laughable CGI of the creatures, especially the birth of the neomorph
- fast and furious type of action with cables and everything
- no tension, buildup, there were even no scare jumps
- mini alien raising hands
- androids kissing
- flute lessons
- everything that happened in the dome is total borefest.
- ultra messy third act
- xeno view
- the hunting and killing of the xeno is boring and predictable
- ditching all the questions that were left open from Prometheus

I can't think of any positive thing. Maybe David explaining how Walter can't create (the flute I know...)

Where Ridley wanted to go with this? It's half disabled Prometheus sequel with a few CGI xeno disasters thrown in.

Seems like Ridley lost his balls and creative mojo a long time ago.

BTW.. I'm not a hater. I love the franchise to death, but this movie is a total abomination. The worst part is that movies like this and AVP are shitting on the entire franchise...

To make an Alien movie you need:

- a scary dark planet
- scary dark corridors
- a terrified not so dumb crew with an android
- facehuggers that two persons can barely remove from somebody's face
- a practical big chap that lurks in the dark
- a pinch of unexplained misterious gigersque entities.


Wow, everything you said from A to Z is exactly how I see it too. I gave the review an 8/10 on IMDB to help out the ratings there, but I'd give it an 6.5 or 7 tops out of 10.

David kissing Walter was obviously meant to be some sort of kiss of death, think of Judas when he kissed Jesus. I thought it was brilliant.

Yes! Walter's complete non-reaction and obvious confusion added to that. This coming after Walter corrects David, telling him that that very poem that he has been repeating to himself all these years in isolation, the very poem he draws inspiration from, he has been wrong about the author the entire time. A self-aware robot that is concious of making a mistake while at the same time developing a god-complex. Like Walter said: "If one note of the symphony is off, the entire symphony has gone to pot" (paraphrasing, forgot his exact line). Brilliant imo
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Gash on May 19, 2017, 04:10:41 PM
Quote from: P1NK8C1DBOOTS on May 19, 2017, 03:49:15 PM


Oh and on a side note.....why was Walter called Walter....it didn't follow the pattern off Ash... Bishop.... Call ....David....and then Walter?! Just a little big bear!

David (Giler)  Walter (Hill)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Foxtrot94 on May 19, 2017, 04:32:41 PM
I thought it was pretty derivative and even though I overall enjoyed it, I can't say it's amazing at all and it's not the direction I wanted Scott to take. I wanted to see more of the Engineers and actually continue the theme of "meeting the creators" Prometheus set up, and flesh it out.

I don't find Xenomorphs compelling anymore, the Alien has run its course. It was scary back in the days, now if you treat it like we're not supposed to know what it is and what it's capable of, your movie is gonna feel like more of the same somewhat. At least as far as I'm concerned. That's why I wanted to see more of the Engineers and their society. But after Scott distancing himself from the Alien theme with Prometheus, we get this. I don't think he knows what he wants to do tbh. That said, Fassbender and his characters and the cinematography kinda saved the movie for me, which, as I said, I overall enjoyed. But I ain't that thrilled for the future of the franchise.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: salomonj on May 19, 2017, 04:58:54 PM
Well, saw it last night and I enjoyed the shit out of it.

The ending of the film is epic, disturbing, sinister etc... I absolutely loved that last 5 minutes of Daniels finding out that Walter was David. The ending scene in particular where David has that one song played (entrance of the gods) as he walks into the embryo room and places the face huggers embryos with the human. It was so class.

I loved the cast. I think my favorite performance (aside from Michael Fassbinder's chilling Oscar worthy performance) was actually Oram. Such a interesting character and the acting was superb.

The visuals of course were amazing, absolutely incredible.

The backburster, grass attack, entire second act (which I found fascinating), escape from the planet (that action scene with Daniels was so so good) and the ending were all done very very well.

I think the movie needed an extra 20 minutes to explain and go into depth of how David created the Xeno eggs and everything. Hopefully Alien Awakening will address this.

Overall, I loved the movie. It was well done sci fi, a great horror and just so much damn fun.

8.5-9/10
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: episodenone on May 19, 2017, 05:16:03 PM
I gave it a "It was okay"

It is a rather easy movie to find faults in and be critical of. Of varying degrees.

If this was the very first film in this saga -- I think I might have loved it.  But as a chapter in the mythos of Alien -- and that, for me, is a huge piece of the pie for my enjoyment -- it just didn't fit for me.

I enjoyed the movie -- but I prefer the mystery of Prometheus and wish there wasn't such an extreme snap back from one film to the other.

Alien --> Not enough Alien --> Random Alien  just isn't fluid / connected enough.

I don't have any interest in reading a book or a comic for further exposition - unlike Star Wars, where I absolutely would and do.

Net Net - Covenant is a nice film but "Lucy you got some 'splainin' to do" and I don't imagine we'll ever get to that.

Oh well -- I look forward to seeing it in 3D on my couch and digesting it more -- over time -- and I'll definitely be going to the pre/se quels as long as they keep making them.

I think Shaw was sorely missed from this film.  If throwing Oren's lines about "faith" in were supposed to make up for the religious aspect - it didn't work.

As an agnostic/atheist -- I LOVED that apparently religion is mocked and discriminated against on Earth and a reason to actually NOT give a commanding job to someone.

But not getting to be a part of Shaw's seeing the whatever these new Engineers are and watching her story unfold -- and instead seeing a shot so quickly that showed her body that I actually missed it and guessed what it was based on audience reaction -- meh.

Her character would have been the perfect philosophical point/counterpoint and added so much context to all of David's development -- instead we got Crudup acting completely silly and making some comment about "meeting the devil"?  Huh?  Was he in the jungle with Dutch???   ::)

I have no clue how David tamed the Aliens -- by blowing up a nose that didn't exist? By showing no fear? By sitting on a ledge while it was born?  By shooting a flare gun?

Is the black goo-mist alive or something sentient?  Is that really what the world looks like through Alien eyes?  So baffling that I ended up not really caring -- just waiting for the next scene.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: BishopShouldGo on May 19, 2017, 07:50:03 PM
7/10. Not as good as Alien, Aliens or Prometheus but easily just as gorgeous as Prometheus.

Didn't like the way the Engineers or Shaw were dealt with. Didn't like the obvious David twist, wish they could've dealt with that better.

Dude, I felt nothing while watching this movie. Where. On. Earth. Was. The. SUSPENSE?! If you can't give us that then at least give us mystery and intrigue. The David dialogue could've used a smart touch up. It was too literal. It could've used the Lindelof touch. I felt nothing during Oram's death.

It felt like Ridley going through the motions but nonetheless I managed to enjoy it. Even the AvPR-like deaths, especially Ricks'.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 0321recon on May 19, 2017, 08:21:21 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 19, 2017, 03:44:24 PM

David kissing Walter was obviously meant to be some sort of kiss of death, think of Judas when he kissed Jesus. I thought it was brilliant.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Alien³ on May 19, 2017, 08:32:44 PM
Just got back from my 3rd (and probably final) viewing.

My opinion still stands: Loved every minute!

The acting, music, effects, etc are all top notch in my books. Any grief I have comes from certain use of the handheld camera in the escape sequence from the planet.

Ridley has added a hauntingly beautiful chapter into the Alien mythos. The creatures are highly charged and super deadly and I love these versions as much as any iteration seen before.
Spoiler
Aside from the god-awful AVP & A:R versions
[close]

I found the original Alien movie scary because it dealt with an unknown monster in the dark and I believe for first time viewers it'll always uphold that fear. But for myself Alien has all but lost that fear factor, its now a source of inspiration and I still think its a masterful work of horror; as most would agree I suspect.

I was somewhat dubious when going to see Covenant, thinking 'will the film actually scare me, like Alien used to?' and I was surprised by how much I was feeling that original fear, it really got under my skin! However it wasn't the xenomorphs or neomorphs, although I felt great tension during the sequences with those creatures...no...

...it was David.

His character brought that fear to the surface for me. His ponderings of mortality and his unwavering pursuit to create these abominations was more than enough to keep me awake at night. His poetic nature gives him an uneasy presence whenever he's on screen and although many (myself included) could see the switch up with him and Walter coming, I couldn't help but watch as the nightmare unfolded!

Watching Prometheus has becomes even more intriguing and in my humble opinion David's character is now up there as one of the greatest movie villains of all time. Allow me to elaborate...


  • In the opening of Covenant we learn that David is concerned with the concept that his creator (Weyland) will die yet he will not. However Weyland still orders him about, asking for tea. Also in this scene Weyland calls him his son.


  • In Prometheus we see Weyland openly expressing to the crew that David will have no soul, yet he IS "the closest thing he'll ever have to son". Weyland obviously resents David for becoming self aware about the morality of his creator.


  • When David sees the head of the Engineer (the creator of his creators) explode his first words are "Mortal after all." Now aware that even Weyland's creators are not as superior as him. This is echoed further in the line from David in Covenant where he is talking about Ape's learning to stand.


  • It's established in Prometheus that David is loyal to Weyland because he is programmed to, yet he longs to be free...
Shaw: "What happens when Weyland is not around to program you anymore?"
David: "I suppose I'll be free."
Shaw: "You want that?"
David: "Want? Not a concept I'm familiar with. That being said, doesn't everyone want their parents dead?"

As we discover in Covenant David WANTS to create but at this time he can't because Weyland has him on a leash. He feels resentment to all his creators, believing them to be far inferior than himself. And when he finds himself with the Engineers pathogen at his disposal he uses it to explore his creative mind, using humans and the Engineers as experiments.

Thus in his mad creations he builds the "perfect organism".

His character is such an interesting entity in this franchise and I'm sure whatever is on the slate for the next chapter will broaden this character study further.

Alien: Covenant is not a perfect movie but it sure has put this franchise on a path I cannot get enough of!

Bring on that Blu-ray!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Spidey3121 on May 19, 2017, 08:38:12 PM
Alien Covenant certainly has the wheels spinning, so I have to at least give it credit for that. Ultimately though, while I thought it was good, I also didn't come away liking it as much as I expected to. Or maybe as much as I wanted to? Perhaps my expectations were too high for what is either the 6th, or 8th, entry in the franchise. I admit that I was all aboard the hype train. It did about as well as it could have from a critical perspective given the genre of film & considering how divisive Prometheus was. If a critic disliked Covenant b/c of it's connections to Prometheus, I simply ignored it, given that I like Prometheus. In fact, I really like Prometheus. Covenant, therefore, should have been a surefire win in my eyes, though sadly that wasn't the case.

Covenant feels trapped between being a true follow-up to Prometheus & a straight forward Alien film. What I enjoyed about Prometheus is that, while it takes place within the same universe & prior to Alien, it's not a true prequel. It plays in the same sandbox but it forged its own path. It asked big questions. The level of ambition was huge, and while the execution didn't always match up, it still resulted in what I believe to be a very good sci-fi movie. We already had 4 Alien movies & 2 AVP movies; I wanted something new & it delivered. I was looking forward to a true follow-up; to Paradise.

Scott has certainly seemed to imply that the reaction to Prometheus helped dictate the course for Covenant. That's too bad. FOX certainly wanted to play-up the Alien elements of the film. Hell, it's right in the title. I dare say not a single piece of mainstream promotion, outside of online prologues, made any reference to the events of Prometheus. Okay, so they showed Shaw's dog tag - big deal. For general audiences that skipped over it & came for the advertised Alien film, I imagine they'll be doing a whole lot of head scratching. Even if this film was intended to bridge the gap between the two, it feels like two different films more than it does one coherent one.

Something that's bothered me recently in big budget films, whether they be prequels or sequels, is mere redundancy. I maintain the relatively unpopular opinion that The Force Awakens is simply okay. A good friend, whom with I saw Covenant last night, downright hates The Force Awakens. Why? It simply borrowed & reused existing plot elements from previous Star Wars films. I had similar issues with Jurassic World, but will admit it has more of an excuse. If the dinosaurs don't escape, you don't have a movie. The barebones plot of any Alien film is bound to be similar. Humans will encounter an alien, or aliens, & said alien(s) will start killing them until it's eventual demise via airlock. Of course, each film gave it their own spin, for better or worse. Even Alien Resurrection, the worst the franchise has to offer, posits new ideas.

Covenant more or less reuses the plot of Alien. The crew is awoken from hypersleep, not because of a transmission, but they don't waste any time coming across one. Also, why does the Covenant have a communications buffer? And although not worthy of critique, why do humans 100 years in the future still listen to John Denver? I also wonder the same as several crew members: how is it that this planet didn't present itself to them prior to this colonization mission? Either way, this whole mishap could have been avoided, but since this crew seems pretty non-committal to their duties onboard, they decide to visit instead of forging onwards. Goodness, I'm getting carried away. The general gist however is: crew responds to transmission, crew becomes infected with Alien, Alien finds way onboard spacecraft, Alien is jettisoned into space. Rinse & repeat.

I also am taken back by how cavalierly this film wipes out the Engineers, via. f'n flashback no less. After devoting an entire film to meeting our maker, David takes it upon himself to nuke their presumed home world. I have to believe that other Engineers are traveling to cosmos, lest we have some real continuity issues with the original Alien. David really is one big continuity error. As interesting a character as he is & as fascinating as his time spent with Walter was, I question the decision to credit him the creation of the Xenomorph. The events of this film contradict the derelict ship in the original Alien.

I'm not even entirely convinced this film needs a Xenomorph other than for brand recognition. The Xeno, as presented in Covenant, is just as scary as in Alien Resurrection, which is to say not scary at all. The Neomorphs on the other hand were badass. This movie peaked, in my own opinion of course, during the ~15 minutes between touching down & being "rescued" by David. The entire backbuster sequence was truly excellent. Still, I don't reckon that it, nor any other part of the movie, matched the horror of the cesarean scene in Prometheus.

Covenant alternates between being an ultra heady sequel to Prometheus and a straight-up horror film. A horror him that uses the worst of the genre's tropes I might add. Did a single person that broke away from the group ever come away unscathed? Regardless, there are aspects of each that I liked, but I can't say they outnumbered the aspects that I took issue with. My biggest gripe of them all has to be the twist ending that it was David, not Walter, that returned to the ship. I use the term  twist very liberally. I mean, we all saw it coming, right? Maybe, just maybe, a character in the film would take him & his missing hand at face value, but from the audience's perspective it was entirely obvious. I do wonder why he allowed Daniels & Tennessee to defeat the Xeno, although I suppose the end result is the same. David now has a vessel of colonists at his disposal to play god with.

Arguments about the Space Jockey aside, the events of Prometheus didn't disrupt anything we had seen in Alien or it's sequels. The same cannot be said for Covenant. Prior to Prometheus, I didn't want a prequel akin to what Rogue One eventually gave us; a movie that ends immediately prior to the beginning of the original. I didn't want to see the derelict ship crash on LV-426, but after seeing Covenant I'm doubling back on that desire. If we get a sequel to Covenant, an Alien Awakening if you will, it better bend over backwards to make the appropriate threads meet.

If all of this sounds like I'm being harsh on Alien Covenant, I am. I love this franchise & I want to be able to expect the best from it. I did enjoy this movie, but there were too many missteps to ignore. Perhaps my opinions will alter upon a 2nd viewing with tempered expectations, but as of right now, I must say that I'm at least mildly disappointed.

Alien Covenant: 2.5 out of 4 stars

Ranking:
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3 Assembly Cut
Prometheus
Alien Covenant
Alien vs. Predator
Alien Resurrection
AVP Requiem
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: jdxmoore on May 19, 2017, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on May 19, 2017, 08:32:44 PM
Just got back from my 3rd (and probably final) viewing.

My opinion still stands: Loved every minute!

The acting, music, effects, etc are all top notch in my books. Any grief I have comes from certain use of the handheld camera in the escape sequence from the planet.

Ridley has added a hauntingly beautiful chapter into the Alien mythos. The creatures are highly charged and super deadly and I love these versions as much as any iteration seen before.
Spoiler
Aside from the god-awful AVP & A:R versions
[close]

I found the original Alien movie scary because it dealt with an unknown monster in the dark and I believe for first time viewers it'll always uphold that fear. But for myself Alien has all but lost that fear factor, its now a source of inspiration and I still think its a masterful work of horror; as most would agree I suspect.

I was somewhat dubious when going to see Covenant, thinking 'will the film actually scare me, like Alien used to?' and I was surprised by how much I was feeling that original fear, it really got under my skin! However it wasn't the xenomorphs or neomorphs, although I felt great tension during the sequences with those creatures...no...

...it was David.

His character brought that fear to the surface for me. His ponderings of mortality and his unwavering pursuit to create these abominations was more than enough to keep me awake at night. His poetic nature gives him an uneasy presence whenever he's on screen and although many (myself included) could see the switch up with him and Walter coming, I couldn't help but watch as the nightmare unfolded!

Watching Prometheus has becomes even more intriguing and in my humble opinion David's character is now up there as one of the greatest movie villains of all time. Allow me to elaborate...


  • In the opening of Covenant we learn that David is concerned with the concept that his creator (Weyland) will die yet he will not. However Weyland still orders him about, asking for tea. Also in this scene Weyland calls him his son.


  • In Prometheus we see Weyland openly expressing to the crew that David will have no soul, yet he IS "the closest thing he'll ever have to son". Weyland obviously resents David for becoming self aware about the morality of his creator.


  • When David sees the head of the Engineer (the creator of his creators) explode his first words are "Mortal after all." Now aware that even Weyland's creators are not as superior as him. This is echoed further in the line from David in Covenant where he is talking about Ape's learning to stand.


  • It's established in Prometheus that David is loyal to Weyland because he is programmed to, yet he longs to be free...
Shaw: "What happens when Weyland is not around to program you anymore?"
David: "I suppose I'll be free."
Shaw: "You want that?"
David: "Want? Not a concept I'm familiar with. That being said, doesn't everyone want their parents dead?"

As we discover in Covenant David WANTS to create but at this time he can't because Weyland has him on a leash. He feels resentment to all his creators, believing them to be far inferior than himself. And when he finds himself with the Engineers pathogen at his disposal he uses it to explore his creative mind, using humans and the Engineers as experiments.

Thus in his mad creations he builds the "perfect organism".

His character is such an interesting entity in this franchise and I'm sure whatever is on the slate for the next chapter will broaden this character study further.

Alien: Covenant is not a perfect movie but it sure has put this franchise on a path I cannot get enough of!

Bring on that Blu-ray!

I concur with your views here.  For me the film was excellent and they've done a wonderful job of developing the character of David.  Going for my second viewing tomorrow!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on May 19, 2017, 08:47:36 PM
I recommend that everyone here watch it twice...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Aquarius8 on May 19, 2017, 09:16:45 PM
I think the whole point of the David 8 twist and expanding his role in the franchise is Ridley giving us the origin story of how Wayland became so obsessed with weaponizing the Alien Specimen.  It also highlights both Ash and Bishop motivations in future films.  Also I don't believe all the engineers are dead.  I think there are still some out there.  Anyways, "Covenant" has given a lot more story room to go before the original "Alien" than I expected. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 19, 2017, 09:36:39 PM
Just back from my second viewing, but this time went to see it in IMAX... Holy sh*t, that was intense! I'm calling it: this is the best Alien-movie ever! Although I love Ripley and have fond memories of the original film, Covenant outdoes it in every single way! I'm so glad Ridley came to his senses and ditched the whole engineer-theme for now. Man, this movie totally kicks ass! It made me feel so humble and fragile as a human being...I'm lost for words to be honest. In all fairness, this movie deserves a lot better than what some us give it credit for. Can't wait for the sequel! Go for it Ridley! You ROCK!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Fire Marshall Bill on May 19, 2017, 09:41:49 PM
Just came from watching it on IMAX with my fiancé who could care less about the alien franchise and we both thought it was pretty good, but could've been better. With that being said, there's much to like about this film. Like most of the people who have seen it have said, the first act of the movie was really good. Even the second act was good to me, but the 3rd act had its issues. I also believe the cgi was a problem at some parts. But the movie was definitely entertaining. I could have done without the chestburster throwing his hands in the air and waving em like he just don't care, but I guess the symbolism was that the newborn looked at him as its parent or father and copied davids movements. Either way they could have done that a lot better, was kinda laughable. I also thought the idea of ricks and upworth gettting freaky in the shower at a time like that unbelievable. I mean you just lost damn Near the whole crew to your ship to a bunch of unexplainable shit with aliens and it's like they completely forgot about the past however many hours of hell that has been going on. Didn't like that, either should've been scrapped completely or done at a different time. I also don't get why they promoted the alien jumping in almost every commercial on tv yet it wasn't even in the film. But with all that said, the alien fan in me loved just seeing the story play out and I liked the ending although it was predictable. It was sinister, and def makes them be able to take the next movie a lot of places. I def want to see it again. I think this movie was geared towards the casual fan more than the alien fan honestly, meaning they wanted to bring in new fans to the franchise and keep it fresh, hence the new life cycles of the aliens and neomorphs. I think he was quite aware of the life cycle and the displeasure from hardcore fans that would come with it. But I also know the casual fan like my fiancé doesn't even know nor care about that, they just want to be scared and entertained. All in all, there's no such thing as a perfect movie imo, and this was far from that. But it was fun to watch and nice to look at mostly. I'd definitely recommend it to someone who isn't familiar with the alien franchise. I also understand why some are very unsatisfied by it though. My rating is 3.5 out of 5. Which is better than avg or just an ok movie but its not a great movie. I'd say up until David saves them I would give it 4.5 out of 5. Like it better than Prometheus although I like some things about Prometheus better. Prometheus def looks better in my opinion, but that's prolly about it. Can't wait to see it again
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: echobbase79 on May 19, 2017, 10:04:22 PM
I just got back from seeing it and I enjoyed the film overall. It might the best sequel since Alien 3, but still can't touch the first two. I'm not sure if it's better than the third film quite yet? I think I need to see it again to make a final decision.

Michael Fassbender stole the show as Walter/David. I can't decide which droid performance I enjoyed better? Honestly, I didn't know if I'd care about Walter, but his scenes with Daniels were some of the best in the movie. David's God complex was certainly both sympathetic and disturbing. I know a lot of people had a problem with him communicating with the Neomorph, but I found that to be one of the character's more interesting moments. I also didn't have a problem with him being the (re)creator. I was on the fence about it, but when I saw how the film presented it, I liked it. One thing I didn't understand was where he got the eggs from?

Waterson made a believable heroine that didn't feel like a Ripley clone at all. She brought a real vulnerability to the role, especially in the early moments when she lost Branson. I wish they would've had some more James Franco in this. Why waste the talents of such a good actor?

Then there was Danny Mcbride and Billy Crudup who also turned in very good performances. I wish they would've had more of Mcbride too. Maybe in the next one they will.

The best scenes in the movie were the slaughter in the Medbay (backburster & throatbuster were both sick) and the wheat field attack. The movie never topped these moments, but I don't know how it could've? The Oram chestburster scene was good, but way to fast. I did like his final line to David, "What do you believe in?" The Alien fight on top of the drop ship was pretty good, but nothing special. Surprisingly, most of the CGI was very good with some shots looking like practical effects. Also, this film had the best score since Alien 3. I loved when the 'spores track' kicked in when Ledward began creating smoke rings.

The movie had me hook, line, and sinker up until the end.

Like other people have mentioned before me, the ending feels very tacked on. While I enjoyed the content, it felt so lifeless. I honestly wished they would've focused more on the Neomorphs. They were so much more interesting here. Also, what the hell happened to the second one? There were two right? I was pretty sure that the one escaped the ship before it exploded? I think it would've been better to have it on the ship at the end instead of the classic Xeno. The ending was the most frustrating part for me. I don't see how Lope get impregnated? That facehugger was on his face for like five seconds. I didn't buy that at all.

But the biggest problem I had with the film was how Shaw was just thrown into the film like a slaughtered piece of meat! Literally! That was bullshit right there. I was more accepting of not knowing how she died at all instead of seeing her rotting corpse lying on a table.  ::) I really liked Shaw and I thought the character deserved more respect than this.

Also, the destruction of the Engineer home planet was also over way to fast. While visually creepy and gross, it really didn't leave much of an impression on me. This movie really needed to take a breath in some scenes, especially the end.

But even though I saw the twist coming a mile away, I still enjoyed it. The film definitely ends on a down note that I found refreshing. 

I was going to give the film a 7.5, but after thinking about it for awhile, I'm going to give it a 7. I enjoyed it, but there were some problems. Mainly the ending.

My ranking:

Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Covenant
Prometheus
AvP-R
AvP
Resurrection
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: CrespiChickenStrips on May 19, 2017, 10:18:34 PM
Based purely on my personal enjoyment of the films and how rewatchable they are, I'd rank them -
Alien 3
Aliens / Alien (tie, depends on what mood I'm in)
Alien: Covenant
and then a sharp decline in quality to -
AVP
Prometheus
AVPR
Alien: Resurrection
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 19, 2017, 10:29:27 PM
I am not happy with Ridley Scott right now. Just got back from this movie and I can't believe how many people have liked it so far. I found the only improvement over Prometheus worth discussing (at this moment, obviously I need to see it again...eventually) to be the fact that Goldsmith's original score was quoted throughout.

There's so much for me to say I don't even know where to start. All I was hoping for was that it would be better than Alien Resurrection. I'm not even convinced it's better than Prometheus.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Fire Marshall Bill on May 19, 2017, 10:37:23 PM
Quote from: Hudson on May 19, 2017, 10:29:27 PM
I am not happy with Ridley Scott right now. Just got back from this movie and I can't believe how many people have liked it so far. I found the only improvement over Prometheus worth discussing (at this moment, obviously I need to see it again...eventually) to be the fact that Goldsmith's original score was quoted throughout.

There's so much for me to say I don't even know where to start. All I was hoping for was that it would be better than Alien Resurrection. I'm not even convinced it's better than Prometheus.
Man anybody who truthfully thinks resurrection is better than covenant must smoke bath salts
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Spidey3121 on May 19, 2017, 10:40:47 PM
Quote from: Fire Marshall Bill on May 19, 2017, 10:37:23 PM
Quote from: Hudson on May 19, 2017, 10:29:27 PM
I am not happy with Ridley Scott right now. Just got back from this movie and I can't believe how many people have liked it so far. I found the only improvement over Prometheus worth discussing (at this moment, obviously I need to see it again...eventually) to be the fact that Goldsmith's original score was quoted throughout.

There's so much for me to say I don't even know where to start. All I was hoping for was that it would be better than Alien Resurrection. I'm not even convinced it's better than Prometheus.

Man anybody who truthfully thinks resurrection is better than covenant must smoke bath salts

Not nearly as much bath salts as the person who proclaimed it the best of the franchise a couple posts back.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 19, 2017, 10:45:14 PM
Quote from: Fire Marshall Bill on May 19, 2017, 10:37:23 PM
Quote from: Hudson on May 19, 2017, 10:29:27 PM
I am not happy with Ridley Scott right now. Just got back from this movie and I can't believe how many people have liked it so far. I found the only improvement over Prometheus worth discussing (at this moment, obviously I need to see it again...eventually) to be the fact that Goldsmith's original score was quoted throughout.

There's so much for me to say I don't even know where to start. All I was hoping for was that it would be better than Alien Resurrection. I'm not even convinced it's better than Prometheus.
Man anybody who truthfully thinks resurrection is better than covenant must smoke bath salts

I would rather take bath salts before watching it again than revisiting it sober. Maybe it would make some sense. Thanks though.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: salomonj on May 19, 2017, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 19, 2017, 10:04:22 PM
I just got back from seeing it and I enjoyed the film overall. It might the best sequel since Alien 3, but still can't touch the first two. I'm not sure if it's better than the third film quite yet? I think I need to see it again to make a final decision.

Michael Fassbender stole the show as Walter/David. I can't decide which droid performance I enjoyed better? Honestly, I didn't know if I'd care about Walter, but his scenes with Daniels were some of the best in the movie. David's God complex was certainly both sympathetic and disturbing. I know a lot of people had a problem with him communicating with the Neomorph, but I found that to be one of the character's more interesting moments. I also didn't have a problem with him being the (re)creator. I was on the fence about it, but when I saw how the film presented it, I liked it. One thing I didn't understand was where he got the eggs from?

Waterson made a believable heroine that didn't feel like a Ripley clone at all. She brought a real vulnerability to the role, especially in the early moments when she lost Branson. I wish they would've had some more James Franco in this. Why waste the talents of such a good actor?

Then there was Danny Mcbride and Billy Crudup who also turned in very good performances. I wish they would've had more of Mcbride too. Maybe in the next one they will.

The best scenes in the movie were the slaughter in the Medbay (backburster & throatbuster were both sick) and the wheat field attack. The movie never topped these moments, but I don't know how it could've? The Oram chestburster scene was good, but way to fast. I did like his final line to David, "What do you believe in?" The Alien fight on top of the drop ship was pretty good, but nothing special. Surprisingly, most of the CGI was very good with some shots looking like practical effects. Also, this film had the best score since Alien 3. I loved when the 'spores track' kicked in when Ledward began creating smoke rings.

The movie had me hook, line, and sinker up until the end.

Like other people have mentioned before me, the ending feels very tacked on. While I enjoyed the content, it felt so lifeless. I honestly wished they would've focused more on the Neomorphs. They were so much more interesting here. Also, what the hell happened to the second one? There were two right? I was pretty sure that the one escaped the ship before it exploded? I think it would've been better to have it on the ship at the end instead of the classic Xeno. The ending was the most frustrating part for me. I don't see how Lope get impregnated? That facehugger was on his face for like five seconds. I didn't buy that at all.

But the biggest problem I had with the film was how Shaw was just thrown into the film like a slaughtered piece of meat! Literally! That was bullshit, right there. I was more accepting of not knowing how she died at all instead of seeing her rotting corpse lying on a table.  ::) I really liked Shaw and I thought the character deserved more respect than this.

Also, the destruction of the Engineer home planet was also over way to fast. While visually creepy and gross, it really didn't leave much of an impression on me. This movie really needed to take a breath in some scenes, especially the end.

But even though I saw the twist coming a mile away, I still enjoyed it. The film definitely ends on a down note that I found refreshing. 

I was going to give the film a 7.5, but after thinking about it for awhile, I'm going to give it a 7. I enjoyed it, but there were some problems. Mainly the ending.

My ranking:

Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Covenant
Prometheus
AvP- R
AvP
Resurrection

You brought up a complaint that I forgot to mention. I wanted more McBride! Hopefully we'll see more of him in the next installment.

Speaking of which, will McBride, David and Daniels be the leads for the next one? I really hope we get to see Daniels and McBride trying to escape from David.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: echobbase79 on May 19, 2017, 10:58:42 PM

Daniels and McBride might be dead with how this movie ended.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: BishopShouldGo on May 19, 2017, 10:59:20 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this but I think I enjoyed Crudup more than Fassbender.

And does anyone else think Covenant's sequel will have nothing to do with the colonists or the Covenant, with David as yet again the only strong thread?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Richman678 on May 19, 2017, 11:01:52 PM
lol I don't think waterson or McBride will survive in between movies
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: echobbase79 on May 19, 2017, 11:03:25 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 19, 2017, 10:59:20 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this but I think I enjoyed Crudup more than Fassbender.

And does anyone else think Covenant's sequel will have nothing to do with the colonists or the Covenant, with David as yet again the only strong thread?

It might. I mean that's what Ridley did here with the backstory of Prometheus.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: salomonj on May 19, 2017, 11:23:14 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 19, 2017, 10:59:20 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this but I think I enjoyed Crudup more than Fassbender.

And does anyone else think Covenant's sequel will have nothing to do with the colonists or the Covenant, with David as yet again the only strong thread?
I enjoyed Crudup a lot as well. He gave a great performance.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Engineer on May 19, 2017, 11:27:01 PM
I just saw covenant...

Quick question. There were rumors of a direct tie to Ripley, but I didn't catch it. Was it just a rumor after all? I certainly hope so!

And as for what I thought. The movie has merits, but there was more I found to be a let down than a pick up. My rating:

1) alien/aliens
2) alien 3
3) resurrection/covenant
4) Prometheus

I don't count the AVP films.

My biggest issue, from the photography standpoint, was the pacing of the film. :-/
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Alionic on May 19, 2017, 11:35:37 PM
I loved this film.

I enjoyed how it opened. I could never tire of watching Guy Pierce as Peter Weyland ever since he first appeared as such in that TED 2023 clip back in 2012.

The neomorphs stole the show here. The backburster, throatburster, and wheat field fight were all suspenseful and intriguing as f**k. David's attempt at communicating with the adult one worked out better than I thought it would.

Speaking of David, he's easily the anchor of this series thanks to the incredible and unique portrayal given to him by Fassbender. Playing the flute, executing the engineers en masse, and the twist at the end all deserve mentions.

I really enjoyed how Ridley Scott retained the philosophical and thematic elements from Prometheus. I was worried that some obnoxious fans were going to convince him not to. It really adds another much needed dimension to this series. I never understood the people who want a copy of Alien and Aliens.

Overall, my ranking goes:

Alien
Aliens / Alien Covenant
Prometheus
Alien 3 Assembly
Alien Resurrection
AVPR
AVP
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Butterfly on May 19, 2017, 11:44:58 PM
Quote from: Hudson on May 19, 2017, 10:45:14 PM

Man anybody who truthfully thinks resurrection is better than covenant must smoke bath salts


I'm curious to see how most people with settle with this movies a few months from now on. Regardless, I've been baffled for years by the way virtually everyone in the internet seems to still think that A:R is the worst thing ever that's happened to the Alien franchise after AvP and Prometheus.  :P
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: echobbase79 on May 20, 2017, 12:15:24 AM
Quote from: Butterfly on May 19, 2017, 11:44:58 PM
Quote from: Hudson on May 19, 2017, 10:45:14 PM

Man anybody who truthfully thinks resurrection is better than covenant must smoke bath salts


I'm curious to see how most people with settle with this movies a few months from now on. Regardless, I've been baffled for years by the way virtually everyone in the internet seems to still think that A:R is the worst thing ever that's happened to the Alien franchise after AvP and Prometheus.  :P

I've tried to give Resurrection the benefit of the doubt many times. I love the opening act, but when the Aliens escape it just goes down hill from there. I loved the Ripley 8 character, the underwater and ladder escape scenes. The Newborn is a wonderful creation of practical effects by ADI. I just didn't like the film's inconstant tone and from serious to dark comedy.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Vers on May 20, 2017, 12:44:48 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 10, 2017, 06:01:10 AM
01) Alien
02) Aliens

03) Alien: Covenant

04) Prometheus
05) Alien 3

06) AVP
07) Alien Resurrection

08) AVP: Requiem

I'm with you on this review. Though Aliens will always be number one for me, I feel very similar about the rest.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: bb-15 on May 20, 2017, 12:47:44 AM
My ranking;

1. "Alien"
2. "Aliens"
3. "Prometheus"
4. "Covenant"
5. "Alien 3: Assembly Cut"
6. "Alien: Resurrection" (theatrical cut)
7. "AVP: Aliens vs Predator"
8. "AVP: Requiem";

* "Covenant" is solid in several areas; cast/acting, set design, creatures, pace and tone.
- The story may drag a bit but it is interesting because of the David character and what he does.
- As a horror film it's OK. It is more creepy that scary.
But as an action/adventure movie, "Covenant" has several effective sequences. 

;)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 01:26:26 AM
Just got out of the theater and all I can say is Wow!  I loved it from beginning to end... and even though I saw the twist ending coming a mile away, it was still thoroughly enjoyable.  I can't wait to see it again!

My ranking:

Alien
Aliens
Alien: Covenant
Alien 3
Prometheus
AvP
AvP: R
Alien Resurrection

Edit:  After reading the last couple of pages, I'm surprised no one has commented on David's rather obvious switch in behavior after Orem wastes the adult Neomorph that David was trying to communicate with.  To me, it's almost like Orems actions showed David that his distaste/hatred of humanity is justified.  I have to wonder if David would have taken Orem down to the lab if things had played out differently....
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 20, 2017, 02:23:24 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 01:26:26 AM
Just got out of the theater and all I can say is Wow!  I loved it from beginning to end... and even though I saw the twist ending coming a mile away, it was still thoroughly enjoyable.  I can't wait to see it again!

My ranking:

Alien
Aliens
Alien: Covenant
Alien 3
Prometheus
AvP
AvP: R
Alien Resurrection

Edit:  After reading the last couple of pages, I'm surprised no one has commented on David's rather obvious switch in behavior after Orem wastes the adult Neomorph that David was trying to communicate with.  To me, it's almost like Orems actions showed David that his distaste/hatred of humanity is justified.  I have to wonder if David would have taken Orem down to the lab if things had played out differently....

Good question. Oram actually requested for David to show him what was going on and David merely complied  :D
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 02:43:59 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 20, 2017, 02:23:24 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 01:26:26 AM
Just got out of the theater and all I can say is Wow!  I loved it from beginning to end... and even though I saw the twist ending coming a mile away, it was still thoroughly enjoyable.  I can't wait to see it again!

My ranking:

Alien
Aliens
Alien: Covenant
Alien 3
Prometheus
AvP
AvP: R
Alien Resurrection

Edit:  After reading the last couple of pages, I'm surprised no one has commented on David's rather obvious switch in behavior after Orem wastes the adult Neomorph that David was trying to communicate with.  To me, it's almost like Orems actions showed David that his distaste/hatred of humanity is justified.  I have to wonder if David would have taken Orem down to the lab if things had played out differently....

Good question. Oram actually requested for David to show him what was going on and David merely complied  :D

Exactly.  Until that point, he didn't seem interested in taking anyone down to the lab.  Perhaps he saved them from the Neomorohs because he figured they may have been nice like Shaw and Orems actions showed he was wrong and that switched him into Mad Scientist mode. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: cucuchu on May 20, 2017, 02:52:28 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 02:43:59 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 20, 2017, 02:23:24 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 01:26:26 AM
Just got out of the theater and all I can say is Wow!  I loved it from beginning to end... and even though I saw the twist ending coming a mile away, it was still thoroughly enjoyable.  I can't wait to see it again!

My ranking:

Alien
Aliens
Alien: Covenant
Alien 3
Prometheus
AvP
AvP: R
Alien Resurrection

Edit:  After reading the last couple of pages, I'm surprised no one has commented on David's rather obvious switch in behavior after Orem wastes the adult Neomorph that David was trying to communicate with.  To me, it's almost like Orems actions showed David that his distaste/hatred of humanity is justified.  I have to wonder if David would have taken Orem down to the lab if things had played out differently....

Good question. Oram actually requested for David to show him what was going on and David merely complied  :D

Exactly.  Until that point, he didn't seem interested in taking anyone down to the lab.  Perhaps he saved them from the Neomorohs because he figured they may have been nice like Shaw and Orems actions showed he was wrong and that switched him into Mad Scientist mode.

Perhaps, though I believe he was unravelling before that. He had already incorrectly named the author of the poem...something was not right. Oh yeah and the genocide of the engineers and harvesting of Shaw's bio matter.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 03:03:07 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 20, 2017, 02:52:28 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 02:43:59 AM
Quote from: cucuchu on May 20, 2017, 02:23:24 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 01:26:26 AM
Just got out of the theater and all I can say is Wow!  I loved it from beginning to end... and even though I saw the twist ending coming a mile away, it was still thoroughly enjoyable.  I can't wait to see it again!

My ranking:

Alien
Aliens
Alien: Covenant
Alien 3
Prometheus
AvP
AvP: R
Alien Resurrection

Edit:  After reading the last couple of pages, I'm surprised no one has commented on David's rather obvious switch in behavior after Orem wastes the adult Neomorph that David was trying to communicate with.  To me, it's almost like Orems actions showed David that his distaste/hatred of humanity is justified.  I have to wonder if David would have taken Orem down to the lab if things had played out differently....

Good question. Oram actually requested for David to show him what was going on and David merely complied  :D

Exactly.  Until that point, he didn't seem interested in taking anyone down to the lab.  Perhaps he saved them from the Neomorohs because he figured they may have been nice like Shaw and Orems actions showed he was wrong and that switched him into Mad Scientist mode.

Perhaps, though I believe he was unravelling before that. He had already incorrectly named the author of the poem...something was not right. Oh yeah and the genocide of the engineers and harvesting of Shaw's bio matter.

Yea there was definitely a biopolar Dr Jekyl/Mr Hyde thing going there... like he was sincere in his love of Shaw... but he obviously did horrible things to her body. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 03:09:52 AM
"They want Aliens, I'll give them f**king Aliens."

This quote from Ridley Scott echoed through my mind as I watched Alien: Covenant. It doesn't feel like Scott's heart was in this one, and as a result, it doesn't do what Prometheus did well, nor does it do what a quality Alien film should do well. Well, at least most of the time.

The one truly good, high tension scene was the backburster. I also did like the birth of the Alien, it wasn't as bad as so many have reported. But the rest of the scenes with the Aliens and Neomorphs felt hollow and rushed. Clearly Ridley has no interest in making a creature feature. There is no good sequence with it. At least every Alien movie prior had that one lengthy sequence where the Alien gets to shine and do its thing. This movie doesn't have that.

I was hoping at least that the David scenes would pop as I've heard, but surprisingly I didn't even really like those. It was fine, but dragged the movie down.

The characters are much more generic and red-shirt than Prometheus. Say what you want about that film, but at least I knew most of the characters' names. That said, they are acted well.

There are a lot of good ideas in Covenant, but it feels like it was all shoved into a rather bland blockbuster format. It feels empty; like the many modern blockbusters of today. I thought the film would at least be thoughtful, but it's really not.

If this is what the remaining Alien films going forward are going to be, than I don't really know how to feel. It's hard to believe the same person who made Alien made this. Then again, that was  nearly 40 years ago, Scott is a different person. But honestly, I'd rather keep in the tradition of the classic films and allow new visionary directors make Alien movies, because Ridley doesn't seem like he wants to.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: BishopShouldGo on May 20, 2017, 03:15:11 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 03:09:52 AM
"They want Aliens, I'll give them f**king Aliens."

This quote from Ridley Scott echoed through my mind as I watched Alien: Covenant. It doesn't feel like Scott's heart was in this one, and as a result, it doesn't do what Prometheus did well, nor does it do what a quality Alien film should do well. Well, at least most of the time.

The one truly good, high tension scene was the backburster. I also did like the birth of the Alien, it wasn't as bad as so many have reported. But the rest of the scenes with the Aliens and Neomorphs felt hollow and rushed. Clearly Ridley has no interest in making a creature feature. There is no good sequence with it. At least every Alien movie prior had that one lengthy sequence where the Alien gets to shine and do its thing. This movie doesn't have that.

I was hoping at least that the David scenes would pop as I've heard, but surprisingly I didn't even really like those. It was fine, but dragged the movie down.

The characters are much more generic and red-shirt than Prometheus. Say what you want about that film, but at least I knew most of the characters' names. That said, they are acted well.

There are a lot of good ideas in Covenant, but it feels like it was all shoved into a rather bland blockbuster format. It feels empty; like the many modern blockbusters of today. I thought the film would at least be thoughtful, but it's really not.

If this is what the remaining Alien films going forward are going to be, than I don't really know how to feel. It's hard to believe the same person who made Alien made this. Then again, that was  nearly 40 years ago, Scott is a different person. But honestly, I'd rather keep in the tradition of the classic films and allow new visionary directors make Alien movies, because Ridley doesn't seem like he wants to.

Summed up my thoughts perfectly. It felt really hollow. Going through the motions, a'la Spielberg on The Lost World.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: marrerom on May 20, 2017, 03:17:56 AM
I love it. David's interactions with Walter were by far the best parts of the film for me. I also couldn't get enough of the mythology they were building around the Alien's and their origins. I would have liked more exposition regarding the engineers but oh well...Also that ending. That dark as f**k ending. Loved it. Can't wait to see it again.





(P.S. I want to give a big shout out to Ridley for retconning the AVP movies out of existence. Well done.)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hellspawn28 on May 20, 2017, 03:19:31 AM
I thought the movie was decent. It's better than Prometheus, but it's still weighed down by the fact it's basically Prometheus Part 2. I was not hype up for the movie and did not follow any news of the movie. I went into the movie with little to no hope on it being good and I was like "Not bad, but not good neither". It is probably the best decent Alien movie since Alien 3, but we have yet to have a good Alien movie since 1986. Not to mention this movie still didn't even answer any questions from the last movie and instead was also written to lead into the next movie. I also didn't care for any character in this movie expect for David.


I think a 6.5/19 seems a good rating for the movie.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: echobbase79 on May 20, 2017, 03:24:58 AM
Quote from: marrerom on May 20, 2017, 03:17:56 AM
I love it. David's interactions with Walter were by far the best parts of the film for me. I also couldn't get enough of the mythology they were building around the Alien's and their origins. I would have liked more exposition regarding the engineers but oh well...Also that ending. That dark as f**k ending. Loved it. Can't wait to see it again.





(P.S. I want to give a big shout out to Ridley for retconning the AVP movies out of existence. Well done.
)

You mean with David being the creator of the Alien?

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 03:25:45 AM
I get it. Some people like this movie, that's fine whatever. I'm not mad.

BUT, I want someone to make an attempt at justifying the dancing chestburster for me. I'm not going back through pages and pages to find this response if it's already been given, so link me if it's already been explained. Give me your best shot on that, because no matter how much my opinion of this movie softens with time, that is never not going to be both the most idiotic and point-and-laugh hilarious moment in the film.


After thinking about it some, I think I can personally rank all the films since people are doing it. I don't feel like leaving out the Predator movies if the AvP movies are included though. This may change the next time I watch Covenant:

Aliens
Alien
Predator
Alien 3
Predator 2
Alien Resurrection
Prometheus/Alien Covenant
AvP
Predators
AvPR
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: marrerom on May 20, 2017, 03:29:06 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 20, 2017, 03:24:58 AM
Quote from: marrerom on May 20, 2017, 03:17:56 AM


(P.S. I want to give a big shout out to Ridley for retconning the AVP movies out of existence. Well done.
)

You mean with David being the creator of the Alien?

Yeah. Cant have Aliens running around in ancient Mayan cities if they hadn't been created yet.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 03:32:20 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 03:09:52 AM
"They want Aliens, I'll give them f**king Aliens."

This quote from Ridley Scott echoed through my mind as I watched Alien: Covenant. It doesn't feel like Scott's heart was in this one, and as a result, it doesn't do what Prometheus did well, nor does it do what a quality Alien film should do well. Well, at least most of the time.

The one truly good, high tension scene was the backburster. I also did like the birth of the Alien, it wasn't as bad as so many have reported. But the rest of the scenes with the Aliens and Neomorphs felt hollow and rushed. Clearly Ridley has no interest in making a creature feature. There is no good sequence with it. At least every Alien movie prior had that one lengthy sequence where the Alien gets to shine and do its thing. This movie doesn't have that.

I was hoping at least that the David scenes would pop as I've heard, but surprisingly I didn't even really like those. It was fine, but dragged the movie down.

The characters are much more generic and red-shirt than Prometheus. Say what you want about that film, but at least I knew most of the characters' names. That said, they are acted well.

There are a lot of good ideas in Covenant, but it feels like it was all shoved into a rather bland blockbuster format. It feels empty; like the many modern blockbusters of today. I thought the film would at least be thoughtful, but it's really not.

If this is what the remaining Alien films going forward are going to be, than I don't really know how to feel. It's hard to believe the same person who made Alien made this. Then again, that was  nearly 40 years ago, Scott is a different person. But honestly, I'd rather keep in the tradition of the classic films and allow new visionary directors make Alien movies, because Ridley doesn't seem like he wants to.

I respect your opinion, but I really don't share them or agree with them.  I think Ridley was in top form with this movie and while it is not a perfect film (no such creature, really), it is certainly an enjoyable ride from start to finish.  The few things that I found wrong with the movie are, in my eyes, minor nitpicks at best and hardly worth bringing up as I recognize they are nitpicks and nothing more. 

At the end of the day, maybe one's perception and enjoyment of the movie depends on the expectations and emotional baggage the viewer brings into the theater.  I went into the theater hoping to see an Alien movie and lo and behold... that's what I got.  Maybe if I went in expecting a Prometheus movie, I would be disappointed and likely angry.  But to me, it's an Alien movie and it's certainly a far better Alien movie than anything we've gotten in the last 20 some odd years.  It's a far more coherent and enjoyable film to watch than the theatrical cut of Alien 3 and it's not even in the same dimension as Alien: Resurrection (which is, in my opinion, a pilot for Firefly masquerading as an Alien film).  And it's certainly far more enjoyable than the AvP films. 

It also has the side effect of making me view Prometheus in a fonder, albeit slightly more somber light.  Seeing the depths that David sinks to in Covenant makes his journey in Prometheus far more enjoyable than it already was in the first place.  I can't wait to watch it again now so I can see if I can detect hints of David's bipolar God Complex present in that film.  And of course, knowing that Shaw ultimately dies will make seeing her trials and suffering in Prometheus a more somber experience.  Like the Set Designer that Hicks interviewed a few months back said, I think Covenant will make Prometheus a far better (or at the very least, I'll find it more enjoyable) than it was a week ago when I watched it in my pre-Covenant hype-building marathon.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 03:36:47 AM
QuoteI think Ridley was in top form

You realize by saying that, you're comparing Alien Covenant to: Alien...Blade Runner...Gladiator...Black Hawk Down...American Gangster...maybe even Black Rain or Legend if you want to go there.

I disagree. This is nowhere near how good he's been in the past. No way.

Also, how is Resurrection a pilot for Firefly if Whedon disowned it essentially?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 03:38:42 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 03:36:47 AM
QuoteI think Ridley was in top form

You realize by saying that, you're comparing Alien Covenant to: Alien...Blade Runner...Gladiator...Black Hawk Down...American Gangster...maybe even Black Rain or Legend if you want to go there.

I disagree. This is nowhere near how good he's been in the past. No way.

Also, how is Resurrection a pilot for Firefly if Whedon disowned it essentially?

We agree to disagree then.  Nothing wrong with that.  =)

EDIT:  To expand on that, let me say that I don't think Alien: Covenant is in the same category as the movies you listed.  But I do think that there is an element of personal taste in some of the movies you have listed.  I note you didn't include GI Jane in that list of yours.  Also absent is Thelma and Louise, also directed by Ridley Scott.  Perhaps it's safe to say that when it comes to comparing the works of a director, there is a definite element of personal taste that is far more prevalent than when comparing films?

EDIT:  And Whedon can disown Resurrection as much as he wants.  Doesn't change the fact that the characters and setting in that movie bear a striking resemblance to Firefly.   
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 03:46:52 AM
Thelma and Louise I forgot.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: echobbase79 on May 20, 2017, 03:48:57 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 03:25:45 AM
I get it. Some people like this movie, that's fine whatever. I'm not mad.

BUT, I want someone to make an attempt at justifying the dancing chestburster for me. I'm not going back through pages and pages to find this response if it's already been given, so link me if it's already been explained. Give me your best shot on that, because no matter how much my opinion of this movie softens with time, that is never not going to be both the most idiotic and point-and-laugh hilarious moment in the film.


After thinking about it some, I think I can personally rank all the films since people are doing it. I don't feel like leaving out the Predator movies if the AvP movies are included though. This may change the next time I watch Covenant:

Aliens
Alien
Predator
Alien 3
Predator 2
Alien Resurrection
Prometheus/Alien Covenant
AvP
Predators
AvPR

Was it dancing? I thought it was doing a 'monkey see, monkey do kind of thing.' I don't know it's a weird moment. It almost seems to know that David is its master. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 03:51:25 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 03:46:52 AM
Thelma and Louise I forgot.

I should also point out that I am of the blasphemous opinion that Blade Runner is an absolutely boring movie to watch.  It's right up there with 2001 in my opinion.  Both are standout films that have had a definite impact on cinema.... but both are far too pretentious and ponderously paced for me to enjoy.  They are both, in my opinion, films that need to be seen at least once... but neither are movies that I would want to watch again. 

So like I said, personal taste.  Gotta love it.  =)


Quote from: echobbase79 on May 20, 2017, 03:48:57 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 03:25:45 AM
I get it. Some people like this movie, that's fine whatever. I'm not mad.

BUT, I want someone to make an attempt at justifying the dancing chestburster for me. I'm not going back through pages and pages to find this response if it's already been given, so link me if it's already been explained. Give me your best shot on that, because no matter how much my opinion of this movie softens with time, that is never not going to be both the most idiotic and point-and-laugh hilarious moment in the film.


After thinking about it some, I think I can personally rank all the films since people are doing it. I don't feel like leaving out the Predator movies if the AvP movies are included though. This may change the next time I watch Covenant:

Aliens
Alien
Predator
Alien 3
Predator 2
Alien Resurrection
Prometheus/Alien Covenant
AvP
Predators
AvPR

Was it dancing? I thought it was doing a 'monkey see, monkey do kind of thing.' I don't know it's a weird moment. It almost seems to know that David is its master.

I looked at the scene as the chestburster imprinting itself on what it viewed was it's "parent".  The adult Neomorph was almost doing the same thing with opening it's mouth a little like it was blowing air into a flute before Orem blasted it.  In fact, I would say the Neomorph's behavior sets the precedent for the chestburster's behavior.


Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 03:54:47 AM
That's fair. But...yikes.

I know, right?  I need to break out the flame-retardant suit and batten down the hatches to prepare for the inevitable flames that are about to be launched at me for daring to voice a contrary opinion about the highly-regarded masterpiece that is Blade Runner.  But still, that's just my opinion of the movie.  I'm not nearly delusional enough to fool myself into thinking I can convince other people that my opinion is law.  =)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Engineer on May 20, 2017, 04:00:40 AM
Yea I didn't really like the connection between David and the creatures either...

... and I'm still trying to decide whether David kissing Walter was homosexual or narcissistic...

And for the record, NO, I'm not trying to be insulting to any homosexuals that might be browsing around here. Just an observation from the film.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 04:01:49 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 03:32:20 AM
I respect your opinion, but I really don't share them or agree with them.  I think Ridley was in top form with this movie and while it is not a perfect film (no such creature, really), it is certainly an enjoyable ride from start to finish.  The few things that I found wrong with the movie are, in my eyes, minor nitpicks at best and hardly worth bringing up as I recognize they are nitpicks and nothing more. 

At the end of the day, maybe one's perception and enjoyment of the movie depends on the expectations and emotional baggage the viewer brings into the theater.  I went into the theater hoping to see an Alien movie and lo and behold... that's what I got.  Maybe if I went in expecting a Prometheus movie, I would be disappointed and likely angry.  But to me, it's an Alien movie and it's certainly a far better Alien movie than anything we've gotten in the last 20 some odd years.  It's a far more coherent and enjoyable film to watch than the theatrical cut of Alien 3 and it's not even in the same dimension as Alien: Resurrection (which is, in my opinion, a pilot for Firefly masquerading as an Alien film).  And it's certainly far more enjoyable than the AvP films. 

It also has the side effect of making me view Prometheus in a fonder, albeit slightly more somber light.  Seeing the depths that David sinks to in Covenant makes his journey in Prometheus far more enjoyable than it already was in the first place.  I can't wait to watch it again now so I can see if I can detect hints of David's bipolar God Complex present in that film.  And of course, knowing that Shaw ultimately dies will make seeing her trials and suffering in Prometheus a more somber experience.  Like the Set Designer that Hicks interviewed a few months back said, I think Covenant will make Prometheus a far better (or at the very least, I'll find it more enjoyable) than it was a week ago when I watched it in my pre-Covenant hype-building marathon.

I was very very willing to give Covenant a chance. I was defending some of the creative decisions before I had even seen it, willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. But I was just not very engaged as I was watching it, but if you where then that's great.  :) But for me, the longer it meandered in David's shop of horrors, the more disengaged I got. And none of the action scenes stood out, in fact I was kind of shocked how "meh" they were coming from Ridley Scott ,especially the last 15 minutes.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:02:17 AM
Quote... and I'm still trying to decide whether David kissing Walter was homosexual or narcissistic...

That was also a moment my friend and I laughed at.

I think in the next movie, David should kiss everyone he kills before he does so.

Also, why did no one find it suspicious that David converted his hair to be exactly like Walter's immediately after they met him?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Engineer on May 20, 2017, 04:06:56 AM
Yea I saw the switch coming a mile away...

And, btw, I didn't like blade runner either. I'm just into the noir type films. I respect it, just didn't like it all that much...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 04:10:24 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:02:17 AM
Quote... and I'm still trying to decide whether David kissing Walter was homosexual or narcissistic...

That was also a moment my friend and I laughed at.

I think in the next movie, David should kiss everyone he kills before he does so.

Also, why did no one find it suspicious that David converted his hair to be exactly like Walter's immediately after they met him?

I didn't find it suspicious... I viewed it as David seeing an opportunity to replace Walter and escape the planet with the Covenant crew.  I'm willing to bet that if Orem hadn't blasted the Neomorph, David would have quietly disposed of Walter and the Covenant crew would have left with David masquerading as Walter and that would have been that.  I think Orem's actions triggered the biopolar switch in David that made him go from passive Prometheus-era David into Mad Scientist David and that's what led to the lab, eggs, and chestbursters.  We'll probably never know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that David's original plan was to get on board the Covenant with his facehugger embryo's and sabotage the crew once they were back in cryosleep (in essence, the entire 2nd half of the movie would not have happened).  Orem's actions likely led to David improvising due to wanting to get even with Orem for what he viewed was the wanton murder of the Neomorph.

EDIT:  And I didn't find David kissing Walter to be homoerotic.  I felt it was definitely narcissistic.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Engineer on May 20, 2017, 04:10:49 AM
Oh and uh, I guess artificial people grow hair? Didn't know that! :-)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: BishopShouldGo on May 20, 2017, 04:12:08 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 04:01:49 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 03:32:20 AM
I respect your opinion, but I really don't share them or agree with them.  I think Ridley was in top form with this movie and while it is not a perfect film (no such creature, really), it is certainly an enjoyable ride from start to finish.  The few things that I found wrong with the movie are, in my eyes, minor nitpicks at best and hardly worth bringing up as I recognize they are nitpicks and nothing more. 

At the end of the day, maybe one's perception and enjoyment of the movie depends on the expectations and emotional baggage the viewer brings into the theater.  I went into the theater hoping to see an Alien movie and lo and behold... that's what I got.  Maybe if I went in expecting a Prometheus movie, I would be disappointed and likely angry.  But to me, it's an Alien movie and it's certainly a far better Alien movie than anything we've gotten in the last 20 some odd years.  It's a far more coherent and enjoyable film to watch than the theatrical cut of Alien 3 and it's not even in the same dimension as Alien: Resurrection (which is, in my opinion, a pilot for Firefly masquerading as an Alien film).  And it's certainly far more enjoyable than the AvP films. 

It also has the side effect of making me view Prometheus in a fonder, albeit slightly more somber light.  Seeing the depths that David sinks to in Covenant makes his journey in Prometheus far more enjoyable than it already was in the first place.  I can't wait to watch it again now so I can see if I can detect hints of David's bipolar God Complex present in that film.  And of course, knowing that Shaw ultimately dies will make seeing her trials and suffering in Prometheus a more somber experience.  Like the Set Designer that Hicks interviewed a few months back said, I think Covenant will make Prometheus a far better (or at the very least, I'll find it more enjoyable) than it was a week ago when I watched it in my pre-Covenant hype-building marathon.

I was very very willing to give Covenant a chance. I was defending some of the creative decisions before I had even seen it, willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. But I was just not very engaged as I was watching it, but if you where then that's great.  :) But for me, the longer it meandered in David's shop of horrors, the more disengaged I got. And none of the action scenes stood out, in fact I was kind of shocked how "meh" they were coming from Ridley Scott ,especially the last 15 minutes.

It is impossible for me to believe that this was the same guy who just directed THE MARTIAN. That movie had so much energy and kept audiences maximally engaged.

Actually, upon really thinking about it, this was not really very good. Just so much confusion. Ridley got so cocky. "I could do this in my sleep!" He wasn't engaged, he didn't think he had to earn it seeing as how he made Alien. Even Prometheus had all of the flair of The Martian, but not this movie.

Seriously, what was with that f**king scene where they fix the solar panels for like 5 minutes? Who f**king cares?! I mean I like that shit but if you're going to rush the movie then transfer over those precious minutes towards sections that f**king count.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:12:31 AM
QuoteI viewed it as David seeing an opportunity to replace Walter and escape the planet with the Covenant crew.

Yes, that's obvious. I mean the characters. Why did no one comment on the fact that he made himself look exactly like their synthetic? Wouldn't those characters have found it suspicious? Oh wait, they're poorly written so no.

I do have to say I was pleased with Danny McBride. I was VERY skeptical of his involvement.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Engineer on May 20, 2017, 04:13:45 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 04:10:24 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:02:17 AM
Quote... and I'm still trying to decide whether David kissing Walter was homosexual or narcissistic...

That was also a moment my friend and I laughed at.

I think in the next movie, David should kiss everyone he kills before he does so.

Also, why did no one find it suspicious that David converted his hair to be exactly like Walter's immediately after they met him?

I didn't find it suspicious... I viewed it as David seeing an opportunity to replace Walter and escape the planet with the Covenant crew.  I'm willing to bet that if Orem hadn't blasted the Neomorph, David would have quietly disposed of Walter and the Covenant crew would have left with David masquerading as Walter and that would have been that.  I think Orem's actions triggered the biopolar switch in David that made him go from passive Prometheus-era David into Mad Scientist David and that's what led to the lab, eggs, and chestbursters.  We'll probably never know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that David's original plan was to get on board the Covenant with his facehugger embryo's and sabotage the crew once they were back in cryosleep (in essence, the entire 2nd half of the movie would not have happened).  Orem's actions likely led to David improvising due to wanting to get even with Orem for what he viewed was the wanton murder of the Neomorph.

EDIT:  And I didn't find David kissing Walter to be homoerotic.  I felt it was definitely narcissistic.

I think he meant why didn't the characters find it suspicious...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 04:17:51 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 20, 2017, 04:12:08 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 04:01:49 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 03:32:20 AM
I respect your opinion, but I really don't share them or agree with them.  I think Ridley was in top form with this movie and while it is not a perfect film (no such creature, really), it is certainly an enjoyable ride from start to finish.  The few things that I found wrong with the movie are, in my eyes, minor nitpicks at best and hardly worth bringing up as I recognize they are nitpicks and nothing more. 

At the end of the day, maybe one's perception and enjoyment of the movie depends on the expectations and emotional baggage the viewer brings into the theater.  I went into the theater hoping to see an Alien movie and lo and behold... that's what I got.  Maybe if I went in expecting a Prometheus movie, I would be disappointed and likely angry.  But to me, it's an Alien movie and it's certainly a far better Alien movie than anything we've gotten in the last 20 some odd years.  It's a far more coherent and enjoyable film to watch than the theatrical cut of Alien 3 and it's not even in the same dimension as Alien: Resurrection (which is, in my opinion, a pilot for Firefly masquerading as an Alien film).  And it's certainly far more enjoyable than the AvP films. 

It also has the side effect of making me view Prometheus in a fonder, albeit slightly more somber light.  Seeing the depths that David sinks to in Covenant makes his journey in Prometheus far more enjoyable than it already was in the first place.  I can't wait to watch it again now so I can see if I can detect hints of David's bipolar God Complex present in that film.  And of course, knowing that Shaw ultimately dies will make seeing her trials and suffering in Prometheus a more somber experience.  Like the Set Designer that Hicks interviewed a few months back said, I think Covenant will make Prometheus a far better (or at the very least, I'll find it more enjoyable) than it was a week ago when I watched it in my pre-Covenant hype-building marathon.

I was very very willing to give Covenant a chance. I was defending some of the creative decisions before I had even seen it, willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. But I was just not very engaged as I was watching it, but if you where then that's great.  :) But for me, the longer it meandered in David's shop of horrors, the more disengaged I got. And none of the action scenes stood out, in fact I was kind of shocked how "meh" they were coming from Ridley Scott ,especially the last 15 minutes.

It is impossible for me to believe that this was the same guy who just directed THE MARTIAN. That movie had so much energy and kept audiences maximally engaged.

Actually, upon really thinking about it, this was probably one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Just so much confusion. Ridley got so cocky. "I could do this in my sleep!" He wasn't engaged, he didn't think he had to earn it seeing as how he made Alien. Even Prometheus had all of the flair of The Martian, but not this movie.

Seriously, what was with that f**king scene where they fix the solar panels for like 5 minutes? Who f**king cares?! I mean I like that shit but if you're going to rush the movie then transfer over those precious minutes towards sections that f**king count.

Because if he had rushed through the pre-landing segment of the film, he would then be (rightfully) accused of rushing the character setups to get to the planet and sacrificing character development in favor of mindless action set-pieces ala Michael Bay.  As it stands, I think you may be missing the point of the solar sail scene.  The whole point of that scene was to show the crew working as a team much like Brett and Parker worked as a team in Alien.  It also was necessary as they needed a crew member to be far enough away from the ship in order for the suit to pickup Shaw's signal from the planet.  Something that the movie actually pointed out when one of the crew asked why the ship's communications array didn't pickup the signal.  And if you take away the solar sail repair scene, how exactly are you going to get a crew member outside the ship and far enough away from the ship to pick up said signal without coming across as contrived?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Predaker on May 20, 2017, 04:19:20 AM
I did not expect to enjoy Covenant as much as I did. Absolutely loved it.

Solid 8/10
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 04:23:01 AM
Quote from: Engineer on May 20, 2017, 04:13:45 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 04:10:24 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:02:17 AM
Quote... and I'm still trying to decide whether David kissing Walter was homosexual or narcissistic...

That was also a moment my friend and I laughed at.

I think in the next movie, David should kiss everyone he kills before he does so.

Also, why did no one find it suspicious that David converted his hair to be exactly like Walter's immediately after they met him?

I didn't find it suspicious... I viewed it as David seeing an opportunity to replace Walter and escape the planet with the Covenant crew.  I'm willing to bet that if Orem hadn't blasted the Neomorph, David would have quietly disposed of Walter and the Covenant crew would have left with David masquerading as Walter and that would have been that.  I think Orem's actions triggered the biopolar switch in David that made him go from passive Prometheus-era David into Mad Scientist David and that's what led to the lab, eggs, and chestbursters.  We'll probably never know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that David's original plan was to get on board the Covenant with his facehugger embryo's and sabotage the crew once they were back in cryosleep (in essence, the entire 2nd half of the movie would not have happened).  Orem's actions likely led to David improvising due to wanting to get even with Orem for what he viewed was the wanton murder of the Neomorph.

EDIT:  And I didn't find David kissing Walter to be homoerotic.  I felt it was definitely narcissistic.

I think he meant why didn't the characters find it suspicious...

You mean the characters that were clearly traumatized after surviving the Neomorph attack and probably weren't thinking clearly?  Or perhaps there is a deleted bit of dialog where David tells them to make themselves at home, or at least, as much at home as is possible inside a Necropolis while he goes and cleans himself up to make himself presentable for his guests. 

Actually, I'm going to go with the deleted bit of dialog excuse.  Since David was still in passive Prometheus-era servant mode at that point in time, him wanting to clean himself up so as to be presentable for his guests would be in keeping with the servant persona that he established in Prometheus.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:27:00 AM
The dialogue where he tells everyone to make themselves at home wasn't deleted when I saw it.

QuoteYou mean the characters that were clearly traumatized after surviving the Neomorph attack and probably weren't thinking clearly?

They would have noticed that suddenly, the two androids look nearly the same. He changed his hair color...come on. This movie is full of holes so big at times you can drive a Mack truck through them. Prometheus and Covenant are such a mess together in terms of trying to expand on what was simply plotted as a monster movie that I almost want to root for the next Alien prequel movie to be terrible.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 04:27:27 AM
Quote from: Predaker on May 20, 2017, 04:19:20 AM
I did not expect to enjoy Covenant as much as I did. Absolutely loved it.

Solid 8/10

That's the score I would give it as well.  Like I said earlier, it's not a perfect movie, but it is a damn good movie and is, in my opinion, the best Alien movie we've gotten in 20+ years.  It's not as good as Alien and Aliens, but that doesn't take anything away from Covenant since there's no way any movie could ever be as good as those two movies.  To even try would most likely be met with derision or outrage. 


Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:27:00 AM
The dialogue where he tells everyone to make themselves at home wasn't deleted when I saw it.

QuoteYou mean the characters that were clearly traumatized after surviving the Neomorph attack and probably weren't thinking clearly?

They would have noticed that suddenly, the two androids look nearly the same. He changed his hair color...come on. This movie is full of holes so big at times you can drive a Mack truck through them. Prometheus and Covenant are such a mess together in terms of trying to expand on what was simply plotted as a monster movie that I almost want to root for the next Alien prequel movie to be terrible.

I quoted the scene as it was presented in the film along with what I think was likely the snipped element.

DIALOG IN THE MOVIE:
DAVID:  Make yourself at home, or at least as much at home as is possible inside this Necropolis.

UN-EDITED DIALOG:
DAVID:  Make yourself at home, or at least as much at home as is possible inside this Necropolis.  I will return after I have made myself more presentable.  Ten years of solitude has left it's mark on me, I'm afraid.

I can certainly see the dialog being cut down as it would have been viewed as unnecessary exposition.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:34:55 AM
Wait, so you're assuming that there is deleted dialogue, which you are using in defense of a total lapse in the characters' plain observations of what's right in front of them?

Not valid.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 04:35:27 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:27:00 AM
The dialogue where he tells everyone to make themselves at home wasn't deleted when I saw it.

QuoteYou mean the characters that were clearly traumatized after surviving the Neomorph attack and probably weren't thinking clearly?

They would have noticed that suddenly, the two androids look nearly the same. He changed his hair color...come on. This movie is full of holes so big at times you can drive a Mack truck through them. Prometheus and Covenant are such a mess together in terms of trying to expand on what was simply plotted as a monster movie that I almost want to root for the next Alien prequel movie to be terrible.

With all due respect, perhaps the issue is with your own expectations on what these movies should be doing rather than what they are actually doing?  Mind you, there's nothing wrong with this per se.... and I don't ask that to be combative or argumentative... am merely suggesting that the holes you are seeing are a result of the movies not meshing with your own ideas rather than any actual holes in the movies. 

To me, Covenant does a pretty good job of avoiding plotholes.  Yes it does take certain liberties that fans like us are sure to take issue with, but I wouldn't call those liberties plotholes necessarily.  The Aliens in the movie are not the same as the Big Chap, so I'm OK with them having a shortened gestation time, for example.


Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:34:55 AM
Wait, so you're assuming that there is deleted dialogue, which you are using in defense of a total lapse in the characters' plain observations of what's right in front of them?

Not valid.

There's an awful lot of assuming going on right now on both sides of the fence.  If I choose to believe there was a bit of dialog snipped from that scene that would explain something, there's no harm in that.  Not like I'm the only one to make assumptions about elements of this movie, am I right?  =)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:37:22 AM
There are tons of plot holes in the movie. If there's a question you have after experiencing a narrative that is not either answered by that narrative or suggested in some way between the lines, then it's a plot hole.

QuoteIf I choose to believe

:laugh: Okay, Shaw.


Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 04:41:05 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:37:22 AM
There are tons of plot holes in the movie. If there's a question you have after experience a narrative that is not either answered by that narrative or suggested in some way between the lines, then it's a plot hole.

QuoteIf I choose to believe

:laugh: Okay, Shaw.

LMAO.  =)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 426Buddy on May 20, 2017, 04:43:26 AM
Just watched Alien Covenant, have to think it over a bit but i really enjoyed it. Im thinking 7.5 out of ten.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:44:11 AM
But seriously though, to be clear:

What you're saying is that it's okay that none of the characters notice that David is suddenly suspiciously looking identical to Walter because you choose to believe that there's a possibility some dialogue was deleted from the scene.

This is the exact opposite of the definition of empirical. When that deleted scene doesn't appear in special features when the hard-copy is released, I will remember this exchange.

EDIT:

So here are two questions rephrased for anyone who wants to take them up. 1. By the logic of the story, why does the chestburster do a ridiculous imitation dance (it doesn't deserve to be called anything other than a dance) with David? By the logic of the story and not speculation on what may have been edited, why do the characters make zero note of David's suddenly changed appearance to imitate Walter?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:52:52 AM
Quote from: Predaker on May 20, 2017, 04:49:36 AM
Oram confronted David.

Care to elaborate? I'm not asking these questions to be antagonistic, I actually do want an explanation. Remember, I am a fan. I wanted to like this movie. I still want to try. I just saw the movie today but I don't remember the exact dialogue where Oram asks David why he changes his hair.

Another question, did anyone find the reaction to finding Shaw's dog-tags and photograph extremely subdued?

"Oh, yeah. Shaw. She disappeared. Whatever." It seemed like no one really cared.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 04:56:33 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:44:11 AM
But seriously though, to be clear:

What you're saying is that it's okay that none of the characters notice that David is suddenly suspiciously looking identical to Walter because you choose to believe that there's a possibility some dialogue was deleted from the scene.

This is the exact opposite of the definition of empirical. When that deleted scene doesn't appear in special features when the hard-copy is released, I will remember this exchange.

EDIT:

So here are two questions rephrased for anyone who wants to take them up. 1. By the logic of the story, why does the chestburster do a ridiculous imitation dance (it doesn't deserve to be called anything other than a dance) with David? By the logic of the story and not speculation on what may have been edited, why do the characters make zero note of David's suddenly changed appearance to imitate Walter?

You can remember the exchange if you feel you must.  Even if it doesn't show up on the special features, I'll still stick to my theory and that'll be that.  Why?  Because special features are not all-inclusive.  I don't remember seeing the Spaihts script in the special features for Prometheus, for example. 

As for your questions...

Q:  why does the chestburster do a ridiculous imitation dance (it doesn't deserve to be called anything other than a dance) with David?
A:  It is mimicking the behavior of the individual it is imprinting as it's "parent".  Many creatures in nature do this and is a primary way for parents to teach their young important skills.  Additionally, the Neomorph was behaving in a similar fashion before Orem blasted it, mimicking David's actions. 

Q:  By the logic of the story and not speculation on what may have been edited, why do the characters make zero note of David's suddenly changed appearance to imitate Walter?
A:  Your looking for an answer to something that by it's very nature requires speculation in order to answer.  If you won't accept speculation, then you are in essence rejecting any answer that can ever be given if it doesn't conform to your own thoughts on the matter.  You want objective, you need to be objective.  =)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:59:38 AM
You are speculating on the editing/production of the film. I'm asking about the characters and the story.

QuoteOram says he saw the devil as a child and asks David what's really going on. I think that line worked better than, "why'd you cut your hair?"

That wasn't spoken as a result of the character's change in appearance, it was spoken after Oram watched David have his moment with the neomorph. Completely different and way delayed. I'm not asking that.

Jesus Christ. I'm asking about the initial moment it happens and everyone gets a look at him. It's extremely f**king suspicious and none of the characters seemed to notice or care. And yeah, they were traumatized. Would that not put them in a heightened state of awareness?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 05:01:51 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:52:52 AM
Quote from: Predaker on May 20, 2017, 04:49:36 AM
Oram confronted David.

Care to elaborate? I'm not asking these questions to be antagonistic, I actually do want an explanation. Remember, I am a fan. I wanted to like this movie. I still want to try. I just saw the movie today but I don't remember the exact dialogue where Oram asks David why he changes his hair.

Another question, did anyone find the reaction to finding Shaw's dog-tags and photograph extremely subdued?

"Oh, yeah. Shaw. She disappeared. Whatever." It seemed like no one really cared.


They didn't know who Shaw was aside from the limited information that Walter was able to provide them.  Their reaction is pretty much on-par with reading about the death of someone you didn't know.  You may feel sad for the people who knew the person, but you didn't know the person who died so your empathy is going to be limited.  In the case of Shaw, they didn't know her and they didn't know Holloway... nor did they know anything about what happened to Shaw in Prometheus.  She was, to them, a total stranger and therefore, finding her tags or picture would be limited to curiosity and nothing more, as anything more would require them to have knowledge they could not realistically have.


Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 04:59:38 AM
You are speculating on the editing/production of the film. I'm asking about the characters and the story.

QuoteOram says he saw the devil as a child and asks David what's really going on. I think that line worked better than, "why'd you cut your hair?"

That wasn't spoken as a result of the character's change in appearance, it was spoken after Oram watched David have his moment with the neomorph. Completely different and way delayed. I'm not asking that.

Jesus Christ. I'm asking about the initial moment it happens and everyone gets a look at him. It's extremely f**king suspicious and none of the characters seemed to notice or care. And yeah, they were traumatized. Would that not put them in a heightened state of awareness?

Everyone responds to traumatic/stressful situations differently.  Some people become more focused... some people become unhinged.  It's unrealistic to expect rational behavior from people in traumatic and/or stressful situations. 

And Orem's statement is a reference to Orem observing that David acts one way in front of the crew and another way when he is alone.  The accusation that David is the Devil is likely an accusation that David is like the Serpent who tempted Adam and Eve to eat the Apple in the Garden.  The Serpent had his own agenda for wanting Adam and Eve to eat the apple and Orem likely recognized that David's behavior is fueled by a self-serving agenda. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 05:10:37 AM
QuoteAnd Orem's statement is a reference to Orem observing that David acts one way in front of the crew and another way when he is alone.  The accusation that David is the Devil is likely an accusation that David is like the Serpent who tempted Adam and Eve to eat the Apple in the Garden.  The Serpent had his own agenda for wanting Adam and Eve to eat the apple and Orem likely recognized that David's behavior is fueled by a self-serving agenda.

Yes, I agree. Oram doesn't confront David to ask why he's trying to look exactly like Walter.

QuoteIt's unrealistic to expect rational behavior from people in traumatic and/or stressful situations. 

Like any time a character has a plan of action after the shit hits the fan in the original Alien films?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 05:24:51 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 05:10:37 AM
QuoteAnd Orem's statement is a reference to Orem observing that David acts one way in front of the crew and another way when he is alone.  The accusation that David is the Devil is likely an accusation that David is like the Serpent who tempted Adam and Eve to eat the Apple in the Garden.  The Serpent had his own agenda for wanting Adam and Eve to eat the apple and Orem likely recognized that David's behavior is fueled by a self-serving agenda.

Yes, I agree. Oram doesn't confront David to ask why he's trying to look exactly like Walter.

QuoteIt's unrealistic to expect rational behavior from people in traumatic and/or stressful situations. 

Like any time a character has a plan of action after the shit hits the fan in the original Alien films?

You mean like Dallas's plan of corralling the Alien into an airlock and blasting it into space?  The same plan that Ripley originally wanted to try again after Dallas was taken, despite Lambert wanting to abandon ship?

Or perhaps that time when Ripley decided to be Rambo and go by herself into an Alien hive to rescue Newt when the previous incursion into the nest resulted in the loss of 3/4 of the marine squad?

I'm not trying to diss on Ripley here... but you did open the door by asking that question.  Dallas had a solid plan... but when he was taken, Ripley was not thinking clearly and should have listened to Lambert (even though she did bring up a good point about there being only 1 cryopod).  As for Ripley going back for Newt, that was a suicide mission and no one in their right mind would have gone back for Newt.  What she did was incredibly brave... but was also incredibly stupid.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: BarryBigPlums on May 20, 2017, 05:29:56 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 10, 2017, 06:01:10 AM
01) Alien
02) Aliens

03) Alien: Covenant

04) Prometheus
05) Alien 3

06) AVP
07) Alien Resurrection

08) AVP: Requiem

Perfect list I agree fully


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Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 05:31:25 AM
Oh, interesting. So, hysterical Lambert was able to make a rational decision?

This is definitely straying from what people observe with their eyes. Simply because they're traumatized and stressed, there's no reason for these characters to have missed a very suspicious move on David's part. If anything, they should have been more concerned about what those implications meant straight away. They haven't been on the planet surface for more than a few hours, they've lost five people, they've just coincidentally found evidence of what happened to Shaw and met David who was suspiciously the only survivor. I would think they would see that David was clearly up to something and react as if the situation was getting even more complicated, not ignore it completely.

And also, I'm not buying the Shaw reaction. In all of infinite space they--out of the blue--find where she died after a decade and no one seems at all surprised or curious? Nah. That doesn't work at all.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 05:34:35 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 05:31:25 AM
Oh, interesting. So, hysterical Lambert was able to make a rational decision?

This is definitely straying from what people observe with their eyes. Simply because they're traumatized and stressed, there's no reason for these characters to have missed a very suspicious move on David's part. If anything, they should have been more concerned about what those implications meant straight away. They haven't been on the planet surface for more than a few hours, they've lost five people, they've just coincidentally found evidence of what happened to Shaw and met David who was suspiciously the only survivor. I would think they would see that David was clearly up to something and react as if the situation was getting even more complicated, not ignore it completely.

And also, I'm not buying the Shaw reaction. In all of infinite space they--out of the blue--find where she died after a decade and no one seems at all surprised or curious? Nah. That doesn't work at all.

Fight or flight response.  Ripley's response was to fight.  Lambert's response was to run away.  Given the fact that Dallas's plan resulted in Dallas's death, the flight response would have been more rational than trying the exact same plan that just failed hoping for a different result.

EDIT:  I think we should probably just agree to disagree and move on.  I get the feeling we can go back and forth all night and I really don't want to do that.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 05:38:29 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 05:34:35 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 05:31:25 AM
Oh, interesting. So, hysterical Lambert was able to make a rational decision?

This is definitely straying from what people observe with their eyes. Simply because they're traumatized and stressed, there's no reason for these characters to have missed a very suspicious move on David's part. If anything, they should have been more concerned about what those implications meant straight away. They haven't been on the planet surface for more than a few hours, they've lost five people, they've just coincidentally found evidence of what happened to Shaw and met David who was suspiciously the only survivor. I would think they would see that David was clearly up to something and react as if the situation was getting even more complicated, not ignore it completely.

And also, I'm not buying the Shaw reaction. In all of infinite space they--out of the blue--find where she died after a decade and no one seems at all surprised or curious? Nah. That doesn't work at all.

Fight or flight response.  Ripley's response was to fight.  Lambert's response was to run away.  Given the fact that Dallas's plan resulted in Dallas's death, the flight response would have been more rational than trying the exact same plan that just failed hoping for a different result.

Her response wasn't to fight, it was to flush the Alien out of the airlock like Dallas suggested. They did not once in the entire film ever have a plan to fight the Alien even though they were armed. Parker is the only person who says he wants to kill it, but that is never acknowledged as viable by Ripley or Lambert, and of course not Ash.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 05:43:21 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 05:38:29 AM
Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 05:34:35 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 05:31:25 AM
Oh, interesting. So, hysterical Lambert was able to make a rational decision?

This is definitely straying from what people observe with their eyes. Simply because they're traumatized and stressed, there's no reason for these characters to have missed a very suspicious move on David's part. If anything, they should have been more concerned about what those implications meant straight away. They haven't been on the planet surface for more than a few hours, they've lost five people, they've just coincidentally found evidence of what happened to Shaw and met David who was suspiciously the only survivor. I would think they would see that David was clearly up to something and react as if the situation was getting even more complicated, not ignore it completely.

And also, I'm not buying the Shaw reaction. In all of infinite space they--out of the blue--find where she died after a decade and no one seems at all surprised or curious? Nah. That doesn't work at all.

Fight or flight response.  Ripley's response was to fight.  Lambert's response was to run away.  Given the fact that Dallas's plan resulted in Dallas's death, the flight response would have been more rational than trying the exact same plan that just failed hoping for a different result.

Her response wasn't to fight, it was to flush the Alien out of the airlock like Dallas suggested. They did not once in the entire film ever have a plan to fight the Alien even though they were armed. Parker is the only person who says he wants to kill it, but that is never acknowledged as viable by Ripley or Lambert, and of course not Ash.

Flushing the Alien is a form of fighting the Alien.  They were attempting to remove the Alien from the ship rather than leaving the ship.  That is the definition of fight or flight.  Like I suggested in an edit, perhaps we should just agree to disagree and move on.  We can go back and forth all night and I really don't want to do that.  I get the feeling that your not going to change your opinions/views any more than I am going to change mine... so all we're doing is basically back and forth.  Point, counter-point, point, counter-point, ad-nausem.  So yea.... agree to disagree and part as friends?  =)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 05:44:54 AM
Fight or flight comes in the moment of adrenaline, not sitting around a table figuring out what to do.

I'm going to let people talk about Alien Covenant now.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 05:46:37 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 05:44:54 AM
Fight or flight comes in the moment of adrenaline, not sitting around a table figuring out what to do.

I'm going to let people talk about Alien Covenant now.

Works for me.  Friends?  : :)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Perfect-Organism on May 20, 2017, 07:38:02 AM
Well, just saw the movie in Toronto, Canada.  It was very grey and dark.  Not digging the color palette.  Also, it reminded me of a Star Trek movie.  The one on that Genesis planet whichever that is.  It's nothing to do with the story.  It's just being on an alien planet that looks like earth that irks me, and it felt like being on a set.  The ending was ace though.  I'm going to have to watch it ten more times before I figure out how I feel about the film.  I did prefer Prometheus.  Also no explanation at all about why the explorers would go on a planet that clearly has living things on it, without any environmental protective gear.  That's just dumb.  Again.  Dumb and dumber...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Nostromo on May 20, 2017, 07:44:29 AM
No wonder this movie was completed in a month, or was it 2? It clearly showed a simpleton pace & story. Waste of good actors. Who wrote this sh!t? And the CGI...damn that sucked. I am now crediting Alien more to O'Bannon and Giger than Scott...what a waste of anticipation.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 07:46:38 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 20, 2017, 07:38:02 AM
Well, just saw the movie in Toronto, Canada.  It was very grey and dark.  Not digging the color palette.  Also, it reminded me of a Star Trek movie.  The one on that Genesis planet whichever that is.  It's nothing to do with the story.  It's just being on an alien planet that looks like earth that irks me, and it felt like being on a set.  The ending was ace though.  I'm going to have to watch it ten more times before I figure out how I feel about the film.  I did prefer Prometheus.  Also no explanation at all about why the explorers would go on a planet that clearly has living things on it, without any environmental protective gear.  That's just dumb.  Again.  Dum and dumber...

I am kinda disappointed that you of all people, would bring up the safety protocol argument, JM.  I figured you would have caught the bit of dialog where they mention conducting an atmospheric scan and not finding anything dangerous in the atmosphere.  :(
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Gash on May 20, 2017, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: Hudson on May 20, 2017, 03:36:47 AM


Also, how is Resurrection a pilot for Firefly if Whedon disowned it essentially?

He disowned it because it was ridiculed as rubbish and he didn't want to take the blame.


Quote from: oberonqa on May 20, 2017, 07:46:38 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 20, 2017, 07:38:02 AM
Well, just saw the movie in Toronto, Canada.  It was very grey and dark.  Not digging the color palette.  Also, it reminded me of a Star Trek movie.  The one on that Genesis planet whichever that is.  It's nothing to do with the story.  It's just being on an alien planet that looks like earth that irks me, and it felt like being on a set.  The ending was ace though.  I'm going to have to watch it ten more times before I figure out how I feel about the film.  I did prefer Prometheus.  Also no explanation at all about why the explorers would go on a planet that clearly has living things on it, without any environmental protective gear.  That's just dumb.  Again.  Dum and dumber...

I am kinda disappointed that you of all people, would bring up the safety protocol argument, JM.  I figured you would have caught the bit of dialog where they mention conducting an atmospheric scan and not finding anything dangerous in the atmosphere.  :(

Plus, they had seven weeks from finding the planet to arriving at it, plenty of time to get more info on it. As more is revealed later on it's easy enough to assume that it's a planet in abeyance until they arrive and start triggering things.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Semaka on May 20, 2017, 11:23:10 AM
Here is my review, I really wanted to like this movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeZw_ZJhD_w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeZw_ZJhD_w)
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 20, 2017, 11:47:55 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on May 20, 2017, 07:44:29 AM
No wonder this movie was completed in a month, or was it 2? It clearly showed a simpleton pace & story. Waste of good actors. Who wrote this sh!t? And the CGI...damn that sucked. I am now crediting Alien more to O'Bannon and Giger than Scott...what a waste of anticipation.

Agree. Proven two times in a row. Ridley cant come up with anything good regarding screenwriting he even admitted it in an interview according to him thats why Prometheus sucked. And now he thinks Covenant is great.


In fact Alien Isolation had more coherent story than this.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Gash on May 20, 2017, 11:51:05 AM
I've given up on watching negative reviews on Youtube. Ranting and moaning doesn't make for very interesting viewing. I'd rather watch someone who enjoyed the film talking about what they like and what they've extrapolated from it that intrigues them, rather than someone whinging about what they'd have done differently. I mean obviously they're so clued-up thanks to their media studies course - but I really don't care.

Still many of them actually call it a rant, as click bait, so I know to skip it.

I wouldn't even watch an angry rant about a film I also actively disliked - it's the epitome of a waste of time.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 20, 2017, 12:01:55 PM
Guys, have a look at this, I copied this from another thread:

Hi all,

I'm a new member so I apologize in advance if I make some mistakes regarding board/posting norms. I teach college level classes in Media Studies and have a background in Film/TV along with degrees in the aforementioned fields and the social sciences.  Since Hollywood movies aren't always respected by those in higher learning, I thought I would feel more at home with fellow Alien fans rather than writing/discussing in other places.

Just saw Alien: Covenant last night. After viewing it, I was impressed with how everything is starting to connect with the entire Alien universe. This connection is occurring at both a plot and thematic/philosophical level. I was particularly stunned at how Scott was still able to thread the philosophical nature of Prometheus with pacing/horror of the original series - all in an attempt to assuage Prometheus' critics.

Let's look at some key elements:

David's name and birth - Why call Fassbender's android David? Many speculated that this follows the series' alphabetical android naming process. We have Ash (letter A) in Alien, Bishop in Aliens/Alien 3 (Letter B), and Call in Alien: Resurrection (letter C). Prometheus follows the pattern by giving the letter D it's due. However, Alien: Covenant breaks this pattern with Walter (letter W). Why?

Part 1:
We learn that David is named after the famous Michelangelo statue. This greatly changes the meaning of his name. The David statue is important on two levels:

1) it represents the Renaissance's physical representation of the ideal man. Just as David, the android, represents Weyland's "ideal" creation/son.

2) It foreshadows the critical importance of David's actions. The David statue is modeled after the Biblical character (religious themes like in Prometheus). David, the mere weakling, destroys the giant, more powerful Goliath. This parallels David's actions with both the death of the engineers (the Goliaths or giants) and his intent to kill mankind (the other Goliaths, his masters/creators). The unlikely android servant becomes a god just as the Biblical character becomes an unlikely victor.

The question is: was this the plan from the start? Was this Scott's plan with Prometheus? It all ties in. The name has nothing to do with an alphabetical nature (as evidenced by Walter) - David's name comes from a place of deeper meaning planted in Prometheus.

Part 2

Ozymandias, Shelley, and Frankenstein

Along with the David statue, another major artistic reference is Percy Shelley's Ozymandias poem. The poem refers to the decline of a great civilization (Ancient Egypt). David recites a line from the poem when dropping the black ooze (or black oil from The X-Files if you prefer ;)).  So, David is destroying the empire of the engineers just as referenced in the poem. He is also intent on destroying the other declining civilization - mankind. He references this in his conversation with Walter stating something along the lines of "why are they leaving earth, looking for colonies - they are in decline and shouldn't be allowed to restart."

However, there is a multiple layer of deep meaning in the Ozymandias choice:

1) David mistakenly claims that the poem is written by Byron. This is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT - on a surface level, it shows that David is not programmed correctly, which explains his many violent actions.

On a deeper level, it highlights David's totally incongruous actions. Byron was actually an outspoken critic of "automation" - he claimed it would hurt mankind. Yet, David admires Byron (albeit erroneously) - just as he kills Shaw, yet clearly loves her. He is like a robotic Jekyll and Hyde. He serves Weyland, yet undermines him. He kisses Walter, yet tries to destroy him. He kisses Daniels, before he attempts to murder her.

2) Percy Shelley, author of Ozymandias, was married to Mary Shelley, author of Frankenstein. Frankenstein, of course, is about the horrors of creation, the horrors of Man playing God. This lines up thematically with the prequel series - when Man plays God (Weyland creates AI) horrible things happen.

What's important about the Shelley connection? Many claim that Percy may have co-written Frankenstein. Does anyone know what the original title of Frankenstein was - The Modern Prometheus

So again, the seeds of Covenant and its plot are thematically connected to Prometheus. To some extent, by giving the title Prometheus to the first prequel, we were destined to have the plot in Covenant - the engineers were never (thematically) going to make sense as creators of the Xenomorph. I know this may hurt the perceptions of some fans - but look at the threads - the prequel series is a futuristic Frankenstein or (Futuristic "Modern Prometheus").

It is mankind's actions (AI creation) that lead to the horrors. The Frankenstein monster (David) turns against its creator. Scott and crew just make the Frankenstein monster, David, become another creator in his act of revenge on mankind.

Part 3

Who is Prometheus?

We all know the tale of Prometheus by now. So who is Prometheus? I will contend that Elizabeth Shaw is in fact "Prometheus" - it is why she is the lead of the first prequel and why she must be deceased in the second prequel.


Prometheus, a god (creator species), gives the power of making fire (ability to start civilization) to mankind (created species). For this action, Prometheus is chained eternally and tortured.

Elizabeth Shaw, a human (creator species) gives android David (created species) power by reattaching his head and granting him access to the Engineer ship(ability to start civilization/create life).  For this action, Elizabeth Shaw is taxidermied/turned into a stuffed animal (chained eternally/tortured).

Conclusion (I know, finally)

So, all of the themes/references in Prometheus actually connect quite well in Covenant, despite the fact that the film feels more like an "Alien" movie. I'm impressed with how this was all done and wonder if this was planned all along or if they've been able to connect the dots as they go.

I've read some of the fan criticisms and respect the viewpoints. But from a thematic perspective, this was the direction they seemed to be heading in since Prometheus. Shaw was never going to be the lead for the entirety of the prequel series and David was always going to play the critical role in the creation story.

Now since the Xenomorph origin has been largely revealed and philosophical connections have been made, we are left with two major PLOT points moving forward:

1) How does the company learn about the Xenomorph and why/who wants it?

2) How does the original derelict/Space Jockey wind up in the condition of the original Alien?


Thoughts?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 20, 2017, 12:14:38 PM
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Gash on May 20, 2017, 12:19:09 PM
Face palm review = avoid.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 20, 2017, 12:22:41 PM
majority of audiance watching Alien movies nowdays =
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fm.blog.hu%2Fpo%2Fpopkult%2Fimage%2Fegyeb%2F_loretta%2Ffeleseleg%2Fstrucc.jpg&hash=d036ca0b0f05ab443bff1da51597772cfdefcc36)

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: CrespiChickenStrips on May 20, 2017, 12:27:57 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 20, 2017, 12:01:55 PM
Let's look at some key elements:

David's name and birth - Why call Fassbender's android David? Many speculated that this follows the series' alphabetical android naming process. We have Ash (letter A) in Alien, Bishop in Aliens/Alien 3 (Letter B), and Call in Alien: Resurrection (letter C). Prometheus follows the pattern by giving the letter D it's due. However, Alien: Covenant breaks this pattern with Walter (letter W). Why?

Part 1:
We learn that David is named after the famous Michelangelo statue. This greatly changes the meaning of his name. The David statue is important on two levels:

1) it represents the Renaissance's physical representation of the ideal man. Just as David, the android, represents Weyland's "ideal" creation/son.

2) It foreshadows the critical importance of David's actions. The David statue is modeled after the Biblical character (religious themes like in Prometheus). David, the mere weakling, destroys the giant, more powerful Goliath. This parallels David's actions with both the death of the engineers (the Goliaths or giants) and his intent to kill mankind (the other Goliaths, his masters/creators). The unlikely android servant becomes a god just as the Biblical character becomes an unlikely victor.

The question is: was this the plan from the start? Was this Scott's plan with Prometheus? It all ties in. The name has nothing to do with an alphabetical nature (as evidenced by Walter) - David's name comes from a place of deeper meaning planted in Prometheus.

Part 2

Ozymandias, Shelley, and Frankenstein

Along with the David statue, another major artistic reference is Percy Shelley's Ozymandias poem. The poem refers to the decline of a great civilization (Ancient Egypt). David recites a line from the poem when dropping the black ooze (or black oil from The X-Files if you prefer ;)).  So, David is destroying the empire of the engineers just as referenced in the poem. He is also intent on destroying the other declining civilization - mankind. He references this in his conversation with Walter stating something along the lines of "why are they leaving earth, looking for colonies - they are in decline and shouldn't be allowed to restart."

However, there is a multiple layer of deep meaning in the Ozymandias choice:

1) David mistakenly claims that the poem is written by Byron. This is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT - on a surface level, it shows that David is not programmed correctly, which explains his many violent actions.

On a deeper level, it highlights David's totally incongruous actions. Byron was actually an outspoken critic of "automation" - he claimed it would hurt mankind. Yet, David admires Byron (albeit erroneously) - just as he kills Shaw, yet clearly loves her. He is like a robotic Jekyll and Hyde. He serves Weyland, yet undermines him. He kisses Walter, yet tries to destroy him. He kisses Daniels, before he attempts to murder her.

2) Percy Shelley, author of Ozymandias, was married to Mary Shelley, author of Frankenstein. Frankenstein, of course, is about the horrors of creation, the horrors of Man playing God. This lines up thematically with the prequel series - when Man plays God (Weyland creates AI) horrible things happen.

What's important about the Shelley connection? Many claim that Percy may have co-written Frankenstein. Does anyone know what the original title of Frankenstein was - The Modern Prometheus

So again, the seeds of Covenant and its plot are thematically connected to Prometheus. To some extent, by giving the title Prometheus to the first prequel, we were destined to have the plot in Covenant - the engineers were never (thematically) going to make sense as creators of the Xenomorph. I know this may hurt the perceptions of some fans - but look at the threads - the prequel series is a futuristic Frankenstein or (Futuristic "Modern Prometheus").

It is mankind's actions (AI creation) that lead to the horrors. The Frankenstein monster (David) turns against its creator. Scott and crew just make the Frankenstein monster, David, become another creator in his act of revenge on mankind.

Part 3

Who is Prometheus?

We all know the tale of Prometheus by now. So who is Prometheus? I will contend that Elizabeth Shaw is in fact "Prometheus" - it is why she is the lead of the first prequel and why she must be deceased in the second prequel.


Prometheus, a god (creator species), gives the power of making fire (ability to start civilization) to mankind (created species). For this action, Prometheus is chained eternally and tortured.

Elizabeth Shaw, a human (creator species) gives android David (created species) power by reattaching his head and granting him access to the Engineer ship(ability to start civilization/create life).  For this action, Elizabeth Shaw is taxidermied/turned into a stuffed animal (chained eternally/tortured).

Conclusion (I know, finally)

So, all of the themes/references in Prometheus actually connect quite well in Covenant, despite the fact that the film feels more like an "Alien" movie. I'm impressed with how this was all done and wonder if this was planned all along or if they've been able to connect the dots as they go.

I've read some of the fan criticisms and respect the viewpoints. But from a thematic perspective, this was the direction they seemed to be heading in since Prometheus. Shaw was never going to be the lead for the entirety of the prequel series and David was always going to play the critical role in the creation story.

Now since the Xenomorph origin has been largely revealed and philosophical connections have been made, we are left with two major PLOT points moving forward:

1) How does the company learn about the Xenomorph and why/who wants it?

2) How does the original derelict/Space Jockey wind up in the condition of the original Alien?


Thoughts?

Wonderful analysis.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Gash on May 20, 2017, 12:32:06 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 20, 2017, 12:22:41 PM
majority of audiance watching Alien movies nowdays =
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Rants are boring. You either like a film or you don't. Nobody's opinion was ever changed by listening to someone elses rant. That isn't burying ones head in the sand, it's simply that if I got something out of this film and you didn't - and I saw ALIEN in 1979 so 'nowadays' has nothing to do with it - then I don't see what benefits me in listening to a review that isn't engaging with the issues that I am.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: fiveways on May 20, 2017, 12:44:02 PM
My Review:

Got dragged to it by friends.  My revenge was they all had a completely miserable time and hated the movie.

What a piece of shit.  When a film begins to remind you of AvP:R there is something fundamentally wrong with your film.  I'm at the point where i hope it drops off horribly at the box office and the sequel never gets made. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: szkoki on May 20, 2017, 12:48:09 PM
how do you know if you havent watched it? and i dont know whats wrong with having negative opinion on something nowdays which  obviously flaws in many ways.

anyways i posted it ofcourse because Joe points out the week and stupid parts of the movie and hell even the good ones too. thats down to the movie tho that these arent in balance at least
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 426Buddy on May 20, 2017, 01:01:57 PM
What!? Fiveways hated the the film?  I'm shocked :D

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: M_Tak on May 20, 2017, 01:02:40 PM
Despite having some issues with it, I've preordered the 4K steelbook (UK version)!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: sourdumpling on May 20, 2017, 01:08:16 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 20, 2017, 12:01:55 PM
Guys, have a look at this, I copied this from another thread:

Hi all,

I'm a new member so I apologize in advance if I make some mistakes regarding board/posting norms. I teach college level classes in Media Studies and have a background in Film/TV along with degrees in the aforementioned fields and the social sciences.  Since Hollywood movies aren't always respected by those in higher learning, I thought I would feel more at home with fellow Alien fans rather than writing/discussing in other places.

Just saw Alien: Covenant last night. After viewing it, I was impressed with how everything is starting to connect with the entire Alien universe. This connection is occurring at both a plot and thematic/philosophical level. I was particularly stunned at how Scott was still able to thread the philosophical nature of Prometheus with pacing/horror of the original series - all in an attempt to assuage Prometheus' critics.

Let's look at some key elements:

David's name and birth - Why call Fassbender's android David? Many speculated that this follows the series' alphabetical android naming process. We have Ash (letter A) in Alien, Bishop in Aliens/Alien 3 (Letter B), and Call in Alien: Resurrection (letter C). Prometheus follows the pattern by giving the letter D it's due. However, Alien: Covenant breaks this pattern with Walter (letter W). Why?

Part 1:
We learn that David is named after the famous Michelangelo statue. This greatly changes the meaning of his name. The David statue is important on two levels:

1) it represents the Renaissance's physical representation of the ideal man. Just as David, the android, represents Weyland's "ideal" creation/son.

2) It foreshadows the critical importance of David's actions. The David statue is modeled after the Biblical character (religious themes like in Prometheus). David, the mere weakling, destroys the giant, more powerful Goliath. This parallels David's actions with both the death of the engineers (the Goliaths or giants) and his intent to kill mankind (the other Goliaths, his masters/creators). The unlikely android servant becomes a god just as the Biblical character becomes an unlikely victor.

The question is: was this the plan from the start? Was this Scott's plan with Prometheus? It all ties in. The name has nothing to do with an alphabetical nature (as evidenced by Walter) - David's name comes from a place of deeper meaning planted in Prometheus.

Part 2

Ozymandias, Shelley, and Frankenstein

Along with the David statue, another major artistic reference is Percy Shelley's Ozymandias poem. The poem refers to the decline of a great civilization (Ancient Egypt). David recites a line from the poem when dropping the black ooze (or black oil from The X-Files if you prefer ;)).  So, David is destroying the empire of the engineers just as referenced in the poem. He is also intent on destroying the other declining civilization - mankind. He references this in his conversation with Walter stating something along the lines of "why are they leaving earth, looking for colonies - they are in decline and shouldn't be allowed to restart."

However, there is a multiple layer of deep meaning in the Ozymandias choice:

1) David mistakenly claims that the poem is written by Byron. This is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT - on a surface level, it shows that David is not programmed correctly, which explains his many violent actions.

On a deeper level, it highlights David's totally incongruous actions. Byron was actually an outspoken critic of "automation" - he claimed it would hurt mankind. Yet, David admires Byron (albeit erroneously) - just as he kills Shaw, yet clearly loves her. He is like a robotic Jekyll and Hyde. He serves Weyland, yet undermines him. He kisses Walter, yet tries to destroy him. He kisses Daniels, before he attempts to murder her.

2) Percy Shelley, author of Ozymandias, was married to Mary Shelley, author of Frankenstein. Frankenstein, of course, is about the horrors of creation, the horrors of Man playing God. This lines up thematically with the prequel series - when Man plays God (Weyland creates AI) horrible things happen.

What's important about the Shelley connection? Many claim that Percy may have co-written Frankenstein. Does anyone know what the original title of Frankenstein was - The Modern Prometheus

So again, the seeds of Covenant and its plot are thematically connected to Prometheus. To some extent, by giving the title Prometheus to the first prequel, we were destined to have the plot in Covenant - the engineers were never (thematically) going to make sense as creators of the Xenomorph. I know this may hurt the perceptions of some fans - but look at the threads - the prequel series is a futuristic Frankenstein or (Futuristic "Modern Prometheus").

It is mankind's actions (AI creation) that lead to the horrors. The Frankenstein monster (David) turns against its creator. Scott and crew just make the Frankenstein monster, David, become another creator in his act of revenge on mankind.

Part 3

Who is Prometheus?

We all know the tale of Prometheus by now. So who is Prometheus? I will contend that Elizabeth Shaw is in fact "Prometheus" - it is why she is the lead of the first prequel and why she must be deceased in the second prequel.


Prometheus, a god (creator species), gives the power of making fire (ability to start civilization) to mankind (created species). For this action, Prometheus is chained eternally and tortured.

Elizabeth Shaw, a human (creator species) gives android David (created species) power by reattaching his head and granting him access to the Engineer ship(ability to start civilization/create life).  For this action, Elizabeth Shaw is taxidermied/turned into a stuffed animal (chained eternally/tortured).

Conclusion (I know, finally)

So, all of the themes/references in Prometheus actually connect quite well in Covenant, despite the fact that the film feels more like an "Alien" movie. I'm impressed with how this was all done and wonder if this was planned all along or if they've been able to connect the dots as they go.

I've read some of the fan criticisms and respect the viewpoints. But from a thematic perspective, this was the direction they seemed to be heading in since Prometheus. Shaw was never going to be the lead for the entirety of the prequel series and David was always going to play the critical role in the creation story.

Now since the Xenomorph origin has been largely revealed and philosophical connections have been made, we are left with two major PLOT points moving forward:

1) How does the company learn about the Xenomorph and why/who wants it?

2) How does the original derelict/Space Jockey wind up in the condition of the original Alien?


Thoughts?

this, my friend, is a real responsible, organized, and in-depth critic! i can tell that you're a well-educated man and you did a lot of research before sharing your thoughts.
bad movie reviews/critics simply want people to think what they think. if they think a movie is bad, they wind up wanting everybody to think the same way as they do, and oftentimes they just denounce the movies they personally despise

but great reviews/critics provide people with perspectives for people to ponder and asking themselves questions, and finally, letting people to decide for themselves.

i love your analysis. i was also thinking about the sonnet and the reason why David mistook the author for Byron, but i was too lazy to do google Shelley and Byron myself. so what you said really helped me. i never knew the story behind it, thank you for enlightening me!
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on May 20, 2017, 01:11:01 PM
Quote from: Gash on May 20, 2017, 12:32:06 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 20, 2017, 12:22:41 PM
majority of audiance watching Alien movies nowdays =
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Rants are boring. You either like a film or you don't. Nobody's opinion was ever changed by listening to someone elses rant. That isn't burying ones head in the sand, it's simply that if I got something out of this film and you didn't - and I saw ALIEN in 1979 so 'nowadays' has nothing to do with it - then I don't see what benefits me in listening to a review that isn't engaging with the issues that I am.
I hate the bloggers and 'youtubers' that think their semi-literate whinning means anything to anyone but themselves and the base genetic viscous that birthed them. To paraphrase the late, great Bill Hicks, they should kill themselves.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: YutaniDitch on May 20, 2017, 01:11:21 PM
Very weak movie story-wise,in terms of  pacing, character development, continuity, plot, etc... They even got David's blood RED when Daniels stabs him in the chin with the nail... WTF?... This movie was so clumsily done I am amazed so many people liked it... The script is terrible, with characters doing idiotic things all over the place, the most unrealistic Android ever made, the Xeno genesis completely fumbled, ridiculed  and directly attacking the originals... So many things to say, so little time... 😡
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darkness on May 20, 2017, 01:11:38 PM
Did we watch the same movie here?  Honestly, I think you guys who didn't like it have some unrealistic expectations of what an Alien movie should be. Covenant is not a terrible movie by any stretch of the imagination and you guys are comparing it to the likes of Resurrection and Requiem which was absolutely horrendous. If you went in there expecting a story as grande as Alien, Aliens or Prometheus, you are going to be disappointed.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 426Buddy on May 20, 2017, 01:18:23 PM
Quote from: Darkness on May 20, 2017, 01:11:38 PM
Did we watch the same movie here?  Honestly, I think you guys who didn't like it have some unrealistic expectations of what an Alien movie should be. Covenant is not a terrible movie by any stretch of the imagination and you guys are comparing it to the likes of Resurrection and Requiem which was absolutely horrendous. If you went in there expecting a story as grande as Alien, Aliens or Prometheus, you are going to be disappointed.

I agree, but its always the same on the internet. A plsce where even the best films are roasted and burned.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on May 20, 2017, 01:20:27 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on May 20, 2017, 01:11:21 PM
Very weak movie story-wise,in terms of  pacing, character development, continuity, plot, etc... They even got David's blood RED when Daniels stabs him in the chin with the nail... WTF?... This movie was so clumsily done I am amazed so many people liked it... The script is terrible, with characters doing idiotic things all over the place, the most unrealistic Android ever made, the Xeno genesis completely fumbled, ridiculed  and directly attacking the originals... So many things to say, so little time... 😡
There was no red blood. Perhaps you need to watch again...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 01:23:04 PM
Covenant did nothing new with the Alien. At least Resurrection had the underwater sequence...
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darkness on May 20, 2017, 01:26:41 PM
Yes, we also had the abomination that was the Newborn as well... Let's not forget that.

Covenant had brand new scary creatures in the Neomorphs.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: 426Buddy on May 20, 2017, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 01:23:04 PM
Covenant did nothing new with the Alien. At least Resurrection had the underwater sequence...

Does every alien film have to have some new gimmick for the alien to perform?

The alien part of the film was weaker i thought but there was some cool stuff. I thought when it jumped down from the ceiling to kill that guy was great. Also really liked the shower scene.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Gash on May 20, 2017, 01:28:48 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 01:23:04 PM
Covenant did nothing new with the Alien. At least Resurrection had the underwater sequence...

Right. So sounds like you'd be happy if the alien sprouted wings and started flying. That'd be cool.  :D
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 01:33:15 PM
Quote from: Darkness on May 20, 2017, 01:26:41 PM
Yes, we also had the abomination that was the Newborn as well... Let's not forget that.

Covenant had brand new scary creatures in the Neomorphs.

And did nothing with them. I was super excited for the Neomorphs. But outside of the excellent backburster scene, they run around in the grass for 30 seconds and then disappear until one appears again for David to blow on its face.

Quote from: Gash on May 20, 2017, 01:28:48 PM
Right. So sounds like you'd be happy if the alien sprouted wings and started flying. That'd be cool.  :D

No, I would have liked more stuff like the Neomorphs. The way they reproduced was very cool, but they are underutilized.



Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 20, 2017, 01:51:39 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on May 20, 2017, 01:11:21 PM
They even got David's blood RED when Daniels stabs him in the chin with the nail... WTF?...

I didn't even see that, you're really trying hard to find anything to dislike about this movie, aren't you?
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Gash on May 20, 2017, 01:56:33 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 01:33:15 PM
Quote from: Darkness on May 20, 2017, 01:26:41 PM
Yes, we also had the abomination that was the Newborn as well... Let's not forget that.

Covenant had brand new scary creatures in the Neomorphs.

And did nothing with them. I was super excited for the Neomorphs. But outside of the excellent backburster scene, they run around in the grass for 30 seconds and then disappear until one appears again for David to blow on its face.

Quote from: Gash on May 20, 2017, 01:28:48 PM
Right. So sounds like you'd be happy if the alien sprouted wings and started flying. That'd be cool.  :D

No, I would have liked more stuff like the Neomorphs. The way they reproduced was very cool, but they are underutilized.


I think the important thing with the Neomorphs is what they mean to David. Are they a perverse attempt to resurrect something of Shaw - is that why he's enthralled by the hint of awareness it posesses when he tries to communicate with it, and why he's enraged by it's demise? The Neomorphs give plenty of food for thought so thematically at least they are far from underutilised. IMO.

Plus it bit a women's head off - that was good too.


Quote from: Snake on May 20, 2017, 01:51:39 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on May 20, 2017, 01:11:21 PM
They even got David's blood RED when Daniels stabs him in the chin with the nail... WTF?...

I didn't even see that, you're really trying hard to find anything to dislike about this movie, aren't you?

The scene was practically in silhouette. How can you even tell what colour the blood is? I was more interested in the nail and the 'That's the spirit!" line.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 20, 2017, 02:23:58 PM
Quote from: Darkness on May 20, 2017, 01:11:38 PM
Did we watch the same movie here?  Honestly, I think you guys who didn't like it have some unrealistic expectations of what an Alien movie should be. Covenant is not a terrible movie by any stretch of the imagination and you guys are comparing it to the likes of Resurrection and Requiem which was absolutely horrendous. If you went in there expecting a story as grande as Alien, Aliens or Prometheus, you are going to be disappointed.

It's better than Alien and more thought-provoking. I believe art has no place anymore in this superficial and rushed world of today. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: fiveways on May 20, 2017, 02:51:17 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 20, 2017, 01:01:57 PM
What!? Fiveways hated the the film?  I'm shocked :D

More surprising was how much the group i was with just tore it to shreds.  One of them was a massive Alien fan who's quote was "I'm done with this franchise and Ridley Scott in general".  This dudes spent a lot of $ on Alien related stuff and just despised it.  I actually felt bad for him as he had real high hopes.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 20, 2017, 02:53:00 PM
Quote from: fiveways on May 20, 2017, 02:51:17 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 20, 2017, 01:01:57 PM
What!? Fiveways hated the the film?  I'm shocked :D

More surprising was how much the group i was with just tore it to shreds.  One of them was a massive Alien fan who's quote was "I'm done with this franchise and Ridley Scott in general".  This dudes spent a lot of $ on Alien related stuff and just despised it.  I actually felt bad for him as he had real high hopes.

It's their loss to be honest. I'll be first in line when the sequel comes out.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: YutaniDitch on May 20, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
Quote from: Darkness on May 20, 2017, 01:26:41 PM
Yes, we also had the abomination that was the Newborn as well... Let's not forget that.

Covenant had brand new scary creatures in the Neomorphs.

So, you prefer the almost bulletproof, horse whispered Neomorph...!? At least, that Newborn hybrid made SOME sense... Honestly, after seeing the Neomorph who is spawned from mere sentient spore 'fairy dust', gestates in minutes and dodges far more direct bullet hits than the Xeno, the supposedly perfect bio organism... 😂😜 And I laughed so hard during the David whisperer scene... Scary, definitely not... hilarious, sure... 😂
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: acrediblesource on May 20, 2017, 03:03:38 PM
My only issue with this movie in not being a PERFECT movie experience is
1. Not in IMAX. I feel like I can explore the details of this yet another beautifully shot film, if there was more to see. Regular screens don't cut it.
2. More atmospheric cuts between ACTS. Because although there was lots of beautiful atmo, i don't feel like I'm immersed in it as much as the crew were in every place they went. Some time to breath in during the half and final act would have been perfect. This could have been due to my point in number 1.

3. Cut out some of the revealing Xenomorph birthing. I get what director Ridley was trying to achieve , I just didn't feel it was necessarily made with enough emotional context to the audience whom have NOT watched Alien. As much of this was a throw back to ASH and his admiration for the species.

4. Cut down on the details of the massive starship elements. It came off like a modern Star Trek movie which I recall wasn't a staple of the Ridley verse. So it was an Ark ship, and you had to show its structural elements, but I felt it was too elaborate for a Ridley movie. Not enough rough stuff. Unfortunately WE ALL WANTED   a  Nostromo type ship but they totally forgot about that.

5. With all the digital stuff out there, we still can't get the Xenomorph to do things which we want to see. Like them camoflaging themselves in crevases are in funky textural walls. What we got was the same old same, in the vein of Alien Resurrection. Which I swear they could have easily left out (Xeno in the red lighting corridors with cameras on them from above). These were horribly shot and gave the Xeno absolutely no hope in terms of photographic composition.

6. David could have been more presentable realistically. It had been 10 years  in the woods and inventing a number sharp tools and sheers yet they made him look like he just had 6 months of hair growing out. Seemingly he was freshly shaven.
And not a scratch on the guy. No broken face, no wear on his skin, nothing to show he is truely synthetic or horribly inhuman which could have saved this movie and made the ending MUCH more interesting.

Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Gash on May 20, 2017, 03:05:38 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on May 20, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
Quote from: Darkness on May 20, 2017, 01:26:41 PM
Yes, we also had the abomination that was the Newborn as well... Let's not forget that.

Covenant had brand new scary creatures in the Neomorphs.

So, you prefer the almost bulletproof, horse whispered Neomorph...!? At least, that Newborn hybrid made SOME sense... Honestly, after seeing the Neomorph who is spawned from mere sentient spore 'fairy dust', gestates in minutes and dodges far more direct bullet hits than the Xeno, the supposedly perfect bio organism... 😂😜 And I laughed so hard during the David whisperer scene... Scary, definitely not... hilarious, sure... 😂

You mean the Neomorph that was shot dead pretty easily?

Perhaps you ought to reign in your fits of hilarity and think about what the scene is implying?

Oh well, your loss.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: YutaniDitch on May 20, 2017, 03:07:18 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 20, 2017, 01:20:27 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on May 20, 2017, 01:11:21 PM
Very weak movie story-wise,in terms of  pacing, character development, continuity, plot, etc... They even got David's blood RED when Daniels stabs him in the chin with the nail... WTF?... This movie was so clumsily done I am amazed so many people liked it... The script is terrible, with characters doing idiotic things all over the place, the most unrealistic Android ever made, the Xeno genesis completely fumbled, ridiculed  and directly attacking the originals... So many things to say, so little time... 😡
There was no red blood. Perhaps you need to watch again...

Nope, saw it fine enough the first time... It shocked me so much it burned in my mind... And surely will not watch this crap fest until it comes out on TiVo... Definitely not  gonna waste more money on it...


Quote from: Gash on May 20, 2017, 03:05:38 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on May 20, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
Quote from: Darkness on May 20, 2017, 01:26:41 PM
Yes, we also had the abomination that was the Newborn as well... Let's not forget that.

Covenant had brand new scary creatures in the Neomorphs.

So, you prefer the almost bulletproof, horse whispered Neomorph...!? At least, that Newborn hybrid made SOME sense... Honestly, after seeing the Neomorph who is spawned from mere sentient spore 'fairy dust', gestates in minutes and dodges far more direct bullet hits than the Xeno, the supposedly perfect bio organism... 😂😜 And I laughed so hard during the David whisperer scene... Scary, definitely not... hilarious, sure... 😂

You mean the Neomorph that was shot dead pretty easily?

Perhaps you ought to reign in your fits of hilarity and think about what the scene is implying?

Oh well, your loss.

Are you  talking about the second one killed by Oram after shooting it multiple times...?  He even shot it in the head and was still alive... What about the first one that got shot multiple times, ran away, then came back, ate Walter's hand, got shot some more, then ran off again after David showed up...? Oh, wait, THAT was the SECOND one...😂 The first one died in the shuttle explosion... Yeah, try harder... 😂
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Aquarius8 on May 20, 2017, 03:10:58 PM
I think both prologues need to be edited in some type of Extended cut on DVD. 
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 03:17:18 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 20, 2017, 02:23:58 PM
Quote from: Darkness on May 20, 2017, 01:11:38 PM
Did we watch the same movie here?  Honestly, I think you guys who didn't like it have some unrealistic expectations of what an Alien movie should be. Covenant is not a terrible movie by any stretch of the imagination and you guys are comparing it to the likes of Resurrection and Requiem which was absolutely horrendous. If you went in there expecting a story as grande as Alien, Aliens or Prometheus, you are going to be disappointed.

It's better than Alien and more thought-provoking. I believe art has no place anymore in this superficial and rushed world of today.

Really? If anything Alien: Covenant felt like every modern franchise blockbuster made nowadays; no sense of pace, just things happening with no time to dwell, and a superficial sense of thematic depth.

Reminds me of Jurassic World in a lot of ways.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Darth Vile on May 20, 2017, 03:21:55 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on May 20, 2017, 03:07:18 PM

Nope, saw it fine enough the first time... It shocked me so much it burned in my mind... And surely will not watch this crap fest until it comes out on TiVo... Definitely not  gonna waste more money on it...

Not liking the film is of course your prerogative... and the film certainly has its flaws, but making shit up like 'David was bleeding blood WTF?' (paraphrasing), undermines your overall criticism; as it looks like you were either not paying enough attention or wilfully picking holes where it's not warranted.
Title: Re: Alien Covenant Fan Reviews
Post by: Snake on May 20, 2017, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 03:17:18 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 20, 2017, 02:23:58 PM