I know its been awhile since ive been on here but i figured to let everyone know what the man 50 cent said himself. Here is the link http://www.thisis50.com/m/blogpost?id=784568%3ABlogPost%3A33623451
In an interview, 50 Cent is asked about his recent involvement in a lot of different things, like a TV show, music, etc, and when asked what else is he doing, he said "feature films...I'll do Predator.."
I'm not sure if this was a joke or not, cause later he laughs and says he can pull anything off.
The interview at the time where this is mentioned is https://youtu.be/t11j76W6VnE?t=1815
f**k no. This had better not be true.
Yea I hope this is not true. Even if it's just for the soundtrack or end title. It would automatically turn this movie into camp bait.
This could be him bullshitting... I don't know. I'm gonna wait to hear from Shane Black or Fred Dekker.
Edit: He talks about it for... a second in this video.
So around the 30:00 minute mark, 50 Cent talks about the new Predator movie. Yeah... He mentions that he's going to be doing new feature films, one of them being Predator. Yeah...
I'm going to go out on a limb saying that he is bullshitting, given how he laughs and immediately moves on from the subject onto something else, namely the Presidential election. I definitely smell bullshit. Until Shane and Fred confirm ANYTHING, don't take this seriously.
50 dont lie but wr will c i think he would do great.
He posted it on Twitter.... Sooo.
I havent seen much of him but i liked him in Escape Plan, i trust in Shane, he clearly showed he is taking this serious so if this is indeed true i stay open minded.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2016, 04:49:21 AM
He posted it on Twitter.... Sooo.
I havent seen much of him but i liked him in Escape Plan, i trust in Shane, he clearly showed he is taking this serious so if this is indeed true i stay open minded.
But we're so early in the stages of this upcoming film. I mean as far as I know, only a draft of the script was approved and right now everything is hush-hush! I mean casting calls haven't even been done unless that's being done in secret!
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 06, 2016, 06:41:28 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2016, 04:49:21 AM
He posted it on Twitter.... Sooo.
I havent seen much of him but i liked him in Escape Plan, i trust in Shane, he clearly showed he is taking this serious so if this is indeed true i stay open minded.
But we're so early in the stages of this upcoming film. I mean as far as I know, only a draft of the script was approved and right now everything is hush-hush! I mean casting calls haven't even been done unless that's being done in secret!
You're right and i'm suspicious about this as well.
But seeing that they already hired a concept artist and looking to get Arnold on board this could mean they start hiring People. I think they are well beyong the point of a first draft, to be honest. I mean they startet the script in 2014, more than enough time.
I'm gonna be honest, i'm not too fond of the idea of 50 Cent in a Predator movie, the guy always screamed "direct to Video" to me, but again, i trust in Black if this turns out to be true, he always casts the right people in his movies.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2016, 06:57:01 AM
You're right and i'm suspicious about this as well.
Until Shane or Fred mention a confirmation, take this with a grain of salt!
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2016, 06:57:01 AM
But seeing that they already hired a concept artist and looking to get Arnold on board this could mean they start hiring People. I think they are well beyong the point of a first draft, to be honest. I mean they startet the script in 2014, more than enough time.
Fair enough point, and it's been that long since the announcement? It only feels like yesterday to be honest... Damn, does time fly. But so far... we don't know anything. As far as the concept artist, I kind of want to know who was hired if they did say who was doing the art-- and as for Arnold being in the movie, as much as I don't want him back... well, it's a pretty safe bet he will be back. I mean now that I think about it... how much happened since 2014?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 06, 2016, 06:57:01 AM
I'm gonna be honest, i'm not too fond of the idea of 50 Cent in a Predator movie, the guy always screamed "direct to Video" to me, but again, i trust in Black if this turns out to be true, he always casts the right people in his movies.
I haven't seen 50 Cent act but... I just can't really see him in a Predator movie. I just.... visually can't imagine it in my mind. Maybe if this was Predator 2 and had Predator 2 been filmed now... MAYBE but even then I could think of more suitable actors. And someone said here that-- maybe he's not really going to be in the movie, maybe he's doing the soundtrack. I don't know. It could be ANYTHING at this point.
As for trusting Shane... Okay, I haven't seen Iron Man 3... I've only seen Night of the Creeps, and Monster Squad-- both movies he had a creative hand in. And Long Kiss Good Night as well. But... I can't say I've seen enough of Shane's work to say I would trust him. But I'll say this:
Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
QuoteI kind of want to know who was hired if they did say who was doing the art
Luca Nemolato
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5558132/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
Seems like b.s. to me but I gotta say, I used to hate ol' Fiddy but he was actually surprisingly good in Escape Plan.
I've yet to see Escape Plan but from looking at his IMDB page it looks like he's done quite a bit of acting. I can't really tell if he's saying he's doing The Predator or if he wants to do The Predator. I've posted it up, of course, stating to be wary of this one until later confirmation but it's not as if it's some anonymous face making a rumour up. I'd just like some clarification.
The single best thing 50cent has done is his second video game, "50cent: Blood on the Sand". It's legit (unintentionally) hilarious and still, somehow, really playable and fun to play, with great co-op. I'm not a fan of his music at all, and the game is a total blast.
He gets a free pass with me just for that game alone, I'm totally okay with seeing what he'd do in a Predator movie.
Could this be batfleck all over? Nah... The predator now hunts gangsta rappers and must deal with their thug lifestyle. Well, I suppose seeing a pred cursing the mean streets of south central in a impala with hydraulics would be kind of neat. Drive-by Predator; you'll never see him coming.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 06, 2016, 08:30:13 AM
Could this be batfleck all over? Nah... The predator now hunts gangsta rappers and must deal with their thug lifestyle. Well, I suppose seeing a pred cursing the mean streets of south central in a impala with hydraulics would be kind of neat. Drive-by Predator; you'll never see him coming.
I feel this is the next chapter of vengeance for wolf.
I remember back in 2009 when he was hired in the first Expendables movie, Stallone noticed the heavy negative reaction to the casting decision and dumped him quickly.
And I was one of them.
Hope not.... this man doesn't belong in a Predator franchise.....
LL Cool J must have been busy.
If he is in it, i wonder how many times he'll be shot by The Predator before he dies ;)
Alright f**k it, I'm going to cut 50 cent some slack here and say at least it's not f**king Jai Courtney.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 06, 2016, 11:56:30 AM
Alright f**k it, I'm going to cut 50 cent some slack here and say at least it's not f**king Jai Courtney.
You mean Jai "Franchise Killer" Courtney? Testify!!!
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 06, 2016, 11:56:30 AMAlright f**k it, I'm going to cut 50 cent some slack here and say at least it's not f**king Jai Courtney.
Well like I said earlier, I actually thought 50 Cent was pretty good in
Escape Plan. And that's coming from someone who
hated the idea of him being in it.
Well Predator had a porno star and a pro wrestler in it... what harm could a rapper do, really?
He certainly has the right physique, if they are going for that bulked up soldier look of the original.
Let's be honest, none of the original cast member was ever an incredible actor, but they did such a good job and became part of pop culture history.
For me, they just need to cast people that fit the franchise and let them do their thing.
Take Predators for example, i liked Brody as Royce and he was an award winning actor, the thing is, the movie just didn't profit from this at all though, he did what every action movie star would/could have done.
We will just have to wait and see, if it's true at all.
No just no!
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 06, 2016, 12:11:33 PM
Well Predator had a porno star and a pro wrestler in it... what harm could a rapper do, really?
Who was the porno star,Arnold?
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Apr 06, 2016, 03:08:40 PM
No just no!
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 06, 2016, 12:11:33 PM
Well Predator had a porno star and a pro wrestler in it... what harm could a rapper do, really?
Who was the porno star,Arnold?
I believe it was Sonny Lanham/Billy.
And, most rappers do well in movies if they are directed well, such as Tyrese Gibson or Ludicris; not Oscar worthy but not bad.
Quote from: walker31 on Apr 06, 2016, 03:17:58 PMI believe it was Sonny Lanham/Billy.
Yep, that's where he started out.
Also, Teri Weigel (the girl seen riding Ramon Vega in
Predator 2 before he's... disheartened by the Jamaicans) was a porno actress.
I don't think her role in Predator 2 was a great step away from that career. :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 06, 2016, 03:38:07 PM
I don't think her role in Predator 2 was a great step away from that career. :laugh:
She certainly brought her skills to the scene. :laugh:
(But seriously, she did really well in the scene, not just riding Ramon Vega, but portraying a traumatized Colombian girl muttering "El Diablo took them".)
I never knew that she was a porn actress though, just learned that now from you lot. I knew Billy was a porn star though. Was surprised when I learned that.
Imagine if we got another porn star for The Predator, I wonder who that would be.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 06, 2016, 03:38:07 PM
I don't think her role in Predator 2 was a great step away from that career. :laugh:
Umm...My dvd skips at that part. Been paused too many times. ;D
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 06, 2016, 08:10:31 AM
I've yet to see Escape Plan but from looking at his IMDB page it looks like he's done quite a bit of acting. I can't really tell if he's saying he's doing The Predator or if he wants to do The Predator. I've posted it up, of course, stating to be wary of this one until later confirmation but it's not as if it's some anonymous face making a rumour up. I'd just like some clarification.
Id like some clarification because my interest in this project has suddenly dropped like Superman Vrs Batman.
Would it be wrong for me to say that I hope for Shane and Fred to debunk this?
If they do confirm it.. I hope the story is good and interesting enough to keep me invested.
You're not alone. The general consensus is that folk seem quite displeased by the news.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 06, 2016, 07:03:06 PM
You're not alone. The general consensus is that folk seem quite displeased by the news.
Thing is... I DON'T want to be negative and am trying to hold back until I see this movie or hear more about it.. I am cautious about this movie, which we know nothing about, and all I just want... is a Predator movie that I can agree and be happy with.
I think he's serious. I doubt somebody like him would have even heard about Predator to make an off the cuff remark like that. It's not really a big deal these days, lots of singers have roles in movies.
Quote from: Darkness on Apr 06, 2016, 07:15:58 PM
I think he's serious. I doubt somebody like him would have even heard about Predator to make an off the cuff remark like that. It's not really a big deal these days, lots of singers have roles in movies.
If this does end up being the case, I hope the story is something I can appreciate.
Hey hey, who's this biggymac all of a sudden? I started this thread and a couple of hours later his post is above mine as the topic creator. This is just like my English contest in high school where I had the first place for a few hours until someone else suddenly came out of nowhere on top.
As for the topic, you could say I'm 50:50 on this one. Pun intended. He could be joking, but then again, a Predator reference is extremely odd to just come up like that. And if true, I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Topic was merged with the guy who made one just before you.
Quote from: Darkness on Apr 06, 2016, 07:47:18 PM
Topic was merged with the guy who made one just before you.
Then why wasn't my post merged into his? I sense a conspiracy here.
Because it's too much effort to delete/edit people's posts for every thread we merge. We can't change the order of the posts in a merged thread either.
Oh this better be some late April fools joke.
Guys, if we can have two porn stars in two Predator films, what wrong with having a rapper? ;D
It's not like we're getting Kanye West in this film, don't worry.
In all seriousness though, I'm not sure how true or false this is.
Maybe the whole Predator thing he mentions is a reference to a song we're not aware of. Like being asked "What are you doing" and answering "I'm rolling on the river".
Quote from: Darkness on Apr 06, 2016, 07:15:58 PM
I doubt somebody like him would have even heard about Predator to make an off the cuff remark like that
Why wouldn't he have heard of the Predator movies?
50 cent probably gonna be riding in the back seat of a squad car. After killing the cops the predator will release the poor pitiful thing back into the wild.
But if this is true, all this means is that The Predator is most likely going to be a buddy cop movie like Lethal Weapon was. The really good thing about it? I'm going to get that epic car chase scene I've all always wanted. :)
There's another video where he mentions Predator its on YouTube it's called 99 Jamz Uncensored 50 Cent. I guess he's in talks for the role, would be pretty cool I guess.
He mentions it at the 3:08 min mark
Predator hunts the newly bankrupt now? Look out Kanye as well.
People still care about 50 Cent? Are we still living in the early-mid 2000's?
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Apr 06, 2016, 09:10:21 PM
Quote from: Darkness on Apr 06, 2016, 07:15:58 PM
I doubt somebody like him would have even heard about Predator to make an off the cuff remark like that
Why wouldn't he have heard of the Predator movies?
Yea, I wouldn't be surprised if he was just making an off-the-wall remark. I grew up listening to a lot of rap, and i do remember hearing a couple of songs make references to the movie. One that comes to mind was by xzibit, he says "I'm a firm believer in the theory if it bleeds I can kill it." Plus, he does act regularly too. I'm sure he has an ear out for potential acting opportunities... It pays better if its a blockbuster.
I just REALLY hope it's not true! Whenever I see 50 cent, I just see a man that wants to go to the candy shop!
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 06, 2016, 11:49:04 AM
LL Cool J must have been busy.
So was ice cube! Lmao
I haven't posted anything on here lately but im constantly looking on here for my Alien n Predator news. Sry if you feel.this way
I really think 50 would do great in this even if he is the main character. He doesnt get the credit he deserves as an actor. I think if the had a scene where him and predator go nothing but hands you guys would be impressed.
Quote from: biggymac on Apr 07, 2016, 03:56:46 AM
I haven't posted anything on here lately but im constantly looking on here for my Alien n Predator news. Sry if you feel.this way
I really think 50 would do great in this even if he is the main character. He doesnt get the credit he deserves as an actor. I think if the had a scene where him and predator go nothing but hands you guys would be impressed.
Curtis, is that you? :P
Someone said that he was good in Escape Plan, a movie I didn't even know existed so... hey maybe he'll play the porno star in this.
Nope! The porno star will be his right hand man... Lloyd Banks
It's been a day and no one has come out to dispute this casting choice... it's official, The Predator is certified Ghetto.
Quote from: Mike on Apr 06, 2016, 11:22:02 PM
There's another video where he mentions Predator its on YouTube it's called 99 Jamz Uncensored 50 Cent. I guess he's in talks for the role, would be pretty cool I guess.
"I'm working on some new projects. You heard of the movie Predator? I might be a part of that project this summer."
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 07, 2016, 04:32:40 AMSomeone said that he was good in Escape Plan, a movie I didn't even know existed so...
He really was. I totally expected him to play the kind of lame character rappers always play in movies (i.e. "cool"), but he actually played a totally straight businessman and was surprisingly good at it.
Based on that film alone, I wouldn't be so quick to write him off like a lot of people in this thread are.
I've never seen him act so I can't really comment on him. I am quite keen to go watch Escape Plan now I know it wasn't an off-the-cuff remark.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 07, 2016, 07:45:50 AMI am quite keen to go watch Escape Plan now I know it wasn't an off-the-cuff remark.
It's not a brilliant film but most of the performances in it are all really good. Arnie in particular actually does some acting. Just don't expect the action movie the trailers make you think it is.
I don't think I ever watched the trailers. Is it available on Netflix, do you know?
I don't mind 50 Cent in this. Who knows to what extent he'll be involved, maybe just a cameo or he gets killed off soon.
The greatest thing about this is he said "I'll be doing Predator this summer", so the shooting starts soon. That means more news coming real soon.
I'm disappointed when he says "Y'all know the movie Predator" and about 3 people cheer and 50 himself doesn't seem like a big fan of the movie. It would have been a lot better if he actually sounded excited about it and said he loves the franchise.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 07, 2016, 07:58:07 AMIs it available on Netflix, do you know?
No clue I'm afraid, I'm one of those Amazon Prime freaks.
Someone gets paid too much! I'll have to check it out later.
Quote from: overthere on Apr 07, 2016, 08:05:15 AM
I don't mind 50 Cent in this. Who knows to what extent he'll be involved, maybe just a cameo or he gets killed off soon.
The greatest thing about this is he said "I'll be doing Predator this summer", so the shooting starts soon. That means more news coming real soon.
Indeed. Sounds like things will be moving along shortly!
50 Cent could actually pass as Dillon's son.
The Nice Guys is coming out next month, so interviews will start soon with Black, no doubt they will be asking about Predator.
That will break the silence.
Sorry u never heard of it not that bad of a movie but he is hardly in that movie. Try all things fall apart. He lost like 100 pounds to play that part.Look it up and also get rich die tryin is good as well
I can't say I'm happy about this. Seems like there were so many other options, especially since this is getting a big budget treatment. 50 Cent always has the same facial expression (probably a result of getting shot in the mouth).
Quote from: overthere on Apr 07, 2016, 09:44:56 AM50 Cent always has the same facial expression (probably a result of getting shot in the mouth).
Because Arnie and co. were a real bunch of Gary Oldmans on the acting meter...
If they give him the right role, I don't see why it couldn't work.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 07, 2016, 09:55:43 AM
Quote from: overthere on Apr 07, 2016, 09:44:56 AM50 Cent always has the same facial expression (probably a result of getting shot in the mouth).
Because Arnie and co. were a real bunch of Gary Oldmans on the acting meter...
If they give him the right role, I don't see why it couldn't work.
It can work, but it's a weird choice. The cast for the original worked for the 80s, but may not be repeatable today.
People just don't have any imagination these days, they cast a rapper and all they can think of is Predator Vs. Rapper. ::)
Schwarzenegger = Bodybuilder
Jesse Ventura = Wrestler
Sonny landham = Porn
Shane Black = screenwriter
The only real actors in Predator were really Carl Weathers and Bill Duke.
Besides that, this is just one name we heard so far, we don't know who else is being eyed for roles or how big of a role he will actually Play. From a Business standpoint this is not a bad move, 50 Cent does have a huge fanbase = Boxoffice, just like Arnold, at least overseas.
People need to remeber that Fox wants their money back, so of course they will cast known names for this, Oscar Performers didn't really do that well from a business perspective the last time.
Shane has a reputation going for him, they even had to persuade him to make the movie anyway only for him to throw it all away with bad casting choices? No way.
But now one thing is certain, they are pretty far into the whole process and i'm pretty excited who is also being considered for roles, exciting times ahead.
My guess is 50cents is not hired yet but wants to be, and he is trying to get some attention.
Anyway, I thought they wanted to make, at last ,a good sequel and this guy is a huge impediment to reach that goal
Oh come on, understand that it is perfectly natural to have shit your pants upon hearing this news. However like all bugs it goes away in a day or so.
Quote from: johnnyhandsomeFrom a Business standpoint this is not a bad move, 50 Cent does have a huge fanbase = Boxoffice
Fine, whatever. If it gets more people into the seats.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 07, 2016, 07:45:50 AM
I've never seen him act so I can't really comment on him. I am quite keen to go watch Escape Plan now I know it wasn't an off-the-cuff remark.
Oh man, finally a movie you haven't seen that wasn't a classic. :)
Psh. Just because I never saw Die Hard!
Your ass should've been busted to Private for that :P
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 07, 2016, 10:47:45 AM
Oh come on, understand that it is perfectly natural to have shit your pants upon hearing this news. However like all bugs it goes away in a day or so.
I can totally see why people are a little worked up about this, they think big Budget and Oscar performing actors, but the unbiased truth is, the guy really hasn't done that much in movies to really write him off as a bad choice for this kind of movie, and just because he's a rapper does in no way interfere him from giving a Performance that is needed for his role, whatever that may be.
I'm not criticizing anyone for not liking this, i'm not cheering yet about this either, but just a friendly reminder that this is a Franchise that
always went for famous people and not necessarily the best available actors and it worked just fine... actually, the only time people yelled "MISCAST" was the
only time they really got a good actor for the lead role... so much for that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 07, 2016, 10:54:47 AM
Psh. Just because I never saw Die Hard!
No, there was another one a little while back. I was going to comment on it but decided to let you off of the hook that time. Oh yea it was Big Trouble in Little China. I mean really dude. :P
@Johnny Handsome: still doesn't change the fact that aside from a few decent performances, rappers are terrible actors who get roles in generally awful movies and they make the movie even worse. Hence the angst over the news. :laugh:
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 07, 2016, 11:01:20 AM
Your ass should've been busted to Private for that :P
I just never got around to it!
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 07, 2016, 11:12:07 AM
No, there was another one a little while back, too. I was going to comment on it but decided to let you off of the hook that time. Serious. :P
I don't have all the time in the world! :laugh:
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 07, 2016, 11:07:45 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 07, 2016, 10:47:45 AM
Oh come on, understand that it is perfectly natural to have shit your pants upon hearing this news. However like all bugs it goes away in a day or so.
I can totally see why people are a little worked up about this, they think big Budget and Oscar performing actors, but the unbiased truth is, the guy really hasn't done that much in movies to really write him off as a bad choice for this kind of movie, and just because he's a rapper does in no way interfere him from giving a Performance that is needed for his role, whatever that may be.
I'm not criticizing anyone for not liking this, i'm not cheering yet about this either, but just a friendly reminder that this is a Franchise that always went for famous people and not necessarily the best available actors and it worked just fine... actually, the only time people yelled "MISCAST" was the only time they really got a good actor for the lead role... so much for that.
I think there's very much a stigma towards performers/musicians being actors. I've seen one person express happiness in this news. One person.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 07, 2016, 11:12:07 AMOh yea it was Big Trouble in Little China. I mean really dude. :P
In fairness to Hicks, that's a pretty cult movie. It's not really one everyone should've seen.
Yea and that was why I cut him some slack. Still it's something that he should have seen. :P
I started watching it! But I kept getting distracted by the Internet so I paused it to come back to.
Ok... but did you finish watching Die Hard? I remember you fell asleep during that one too. Why do I remember any of this...
I'm just that interesting. :P
Seriously though, let's get back on topic and less about iconic films I haven't seen. :laugh:
So he maybe involved... let's see what he's involved in.
Maybe the soundtrack as someone suggested. If that's the case, I maybe okay with that.
Hmm a part of me is really opposed to this, but maybe it could turn out good.
Ruben Blades in P2 was a singer. There's a thing I guess for the Predator movies that have a odd but good casting in the end.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 07, 2016, 03:47:21 PM
Hmm a part of me is really opposed to this, but maybe it could turn out good.
Personally... I'm against the idea of him being in the movie entirely. I would've preferred Jamie Fox but that's just me.. HOWEVER... if Shane brings a storyline which I can appreciate and get behind, and concepts which I feel are more inline with the first two movies-- and ignores Rodriguez's movie, which I am hoping he does, then I'd be willing to overlook 50 Cent's involvement if he is on screen.
The guy was pretty good in Southpaw/escape plan, looking forward to seeing what he brings to the table
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 07, 2016, 12:11:12 PM
I'm just that interesting. :P
Seriously though, let's get back on topic and less about iconic films I haven't seen. :laugh:
Okay, so...50 cent....yeah....not much to say here....so...50 cent....yeah..and..uhm....so he's a rapper...and...so his name is 50 cent and ..yeah....uhmmm... ;) I'm sorry, I can't draw or even imagine a connection between the two. Well maybe he'll rap the predator to death? or they can compare financial sheets? uhm???.... LOL
Look on the bright side guys, this movie is only gonna cost 50 cents when it's out.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 07, 2016, 04:03:08 PMI would've preferred Jamie Fox but that's just me..
No way. I can't see him in a
Predator movie at all.
As I mention before, is 50 Cent still a thing today? I haven't seen him do anything big in a while.
At this point it seems they're pocking a choosing what they consider continuity, their emphasis will no doubt be to the original, they're never likely to acknowledge any of the sequels. But hey fans are free to pick and choose.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 07, 2016, 07:50:21 PMAt this point it seems they're pocking a choosing what they consider continuity, their emphasis will no doubt be to the original, they're never likely to acknowledge any of the sequels.
Based on what? We know literally nothing about the film yet.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 07, 2016, 07:57:26 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 07, 2016, 07:50:21 PMAt this point it seems they're pocking a choosing what they consider continuity, their emphasis will no doubt be to the original, they're never likely to acknowledge any of the sequels.
Based on what? We know literally nothing about the film yet.
They described this film as an inventive sequel so the original Predator is still canon, and they're looking to make this an event film with a bigger budget and thats about all we know so far of this film, we can gather like Jurassic World it will mainly reference, pay tribute and acknowledge the Original film.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 07, 2016, 08:22:30 PMThey described this film as an inventive sequel so the original Predator is still canon, and they're looking to make this an event film with a bigger budget and thats about all we know so far of this film...
None of which says they'll be ignoring the other movies.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 07, 2016, 08:22:30 PM...we can gather like Jurassic World it will mainly reference, pay tribute and acknowledge the Original film.
Whereas this is just a complete assumption at this point. Not to mention
Jurassic World referenced all three preceding movies.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 07, 2016, 05:52:20 PM
No way. I can't see him in a Predator movie at all.
Really? Cause I think of his performance in Jar Head when I picture him in a Predator movie.
According to the films makers they wanted to treat Jurassic world as a direct sequel, the other two movies while cannon weren't given much call back seeing as people were mixed about them. The part where the T-Rex broke through the skeleton of the spinosaurus were done as a way of saying f**k Jurassic Park 3 for having spinosaurus kill the T-rex.
The initial extent of the studio was for The Predator to be a straight up reboot and Shane Black had convinced them to go for an inventive sequel, the reasoning the original will get a certainly have an acknowledgement is because it stands as the most popular with fans. Will wait and see if the movie after will though, other than featuring a Predator the film are episodic and don't necessarily connect to the next instalment in terms of returning characters or story arcs.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 07, 2016, 09:54:11 PM
The initial extent of the studio was for The Predator to be a straight up reboot and Shane Black had convinced them to go for an inventive sequel.
I would've preferred a straight up reboot than an inventive sequel. This way I would be able to go into the film without keeping any of the previous lore in mind, and having it to compared to the five previous films (I'm counting the AVPs). I'd have been more comfortable with that.
But hey that's just my opinion.
Who at universal stated that jurassic park 3 isn't canon? Oh thats right, no one said that. And wow Rakai Thwei, really? You actually wanted a reboot of predator? The reason your even here? You know how shitty reboots are nowadays? I mean obviousley not since your opinion is to drive another nail into the coffin.
Gonna be awesome 50 took more bullets than the predator did on predator 2 :) and predator 1. haha 8) 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 07, 2016, 11:15:50 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 07, 2016, 09:54:11 PM
The initial extent of the studio was for The Predator to be a straight up reboot and Shane Black had convinced them to go for an inventive sequel.
I would've preferred a straight up reboot than an inventive sequel. This way I would be able to go into the film without keeping any of the previous lore in mind, and having it to compared to the five previous films (I'm counting the AVPs). I'd have been more comfortable with that.
But hey that's just my opinion.
So you'd rather have a reboot of the original so you DON'T compare it to the first five? How do you watch a reboot and not compare it to the original? I'd rather get a sequel and if it fails I can say "well, at least there's still the original" than have a bad reboot. You can judge a sequel on it's own merits, but a reboot would just have to repeat everything the original did, and the first movie still looks great today.
Predators were a semi-reboot anyway with the way they recycled a lot of scenes. I'd rather see something new and even if it fails at least they tried something different.
You're probably the only one to prefer a reboot to an actual sequel.
Quote from: overthere on Apr 08, 2016, 06:27:21 AM
So you'd rather have a reboot of the original so you DON'T compare it to the first five? How do you watch a reboot and not compare it to the original?
The same way I went to see Batman Begins by tossing the Burton 1989 Batman moving out of my mind from watching, that's how. Hell, you could even say the same for Batman 89 by tossing Batman 66 out of your mind when you watch it. Point is, I could judge something on it's own merits.. as an entirely stand alone interpretation.
Quote from: overthere on Apr 08, 2016, 06:27:21 AM
You can judge a sequel on it's own merits, but a reboot would just have to repeat everything the original did, and the first movie still looks great today.
Not every reboot does everything which the originals do. I could name a few reboots which are vastly different from the original films... Batman Begins, Dredd, Godzilla 2014, Amazing Spider-Man, King Kong 1976. Just a few. Sure, the core elements are the same but the scenes and some ideas are different.
Quote from: overthere on Apr 08, 2016, 06:27:21 AM
You're probably the only one to prefer a reboot to an actual sequel.
So you want me to go with the mentality everyone has?
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 08, 2016, 12:55:19 AM
Who at universal stated that jurassic park 3 isn't canon? Oh thats right, no one said that. And wow Rakai Thwei, really? You actually wanted a reboot of predator? The reason your even here? You know how shitty reboots are nowadays? I mean obviousley not since your opinion is to drive another nail into the coffin.
I never said Jurassic park 3 was taken out of canon, what I said is the part with the spinosaurus skeleton being destroyed was their way of apologising to the fans for the t-rex being killed off in the 3rd movie.
Spielberg said he'll make up the treatment of the t-rex in Jurassic park 3 with Jurassic park 4 aka Jurassic World
The director Colin Trevorror was quoted "Destroying a dinosaurs bones is worse than killing it."
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Jurassic-World-Snuck-Sweet-Nod-Jurassic-Park-3-72074.html
So what if RakaiThwei doesn't have the popular opinion, so far he hasn't forced it one anyone or shamed us for liking movies he doesn't. Critical reception and the majority of popular fans response seem to be the consensuses of how were deem a films merits. Some users on this site take issue with how vocal he is taking offence to him insulting a movie he doesn't favor, big deal, what ever, to each their own, share a view point don't force it.
Though I will assert some problems with remakes/reboots is that its taking a classic movie and making a copy that pales in comparison, or its a cynical licences property the studio don't care for and just want to capitalise on it, so they cram out a product that lacks the subtleties and under tones of what made the original work. More over it pretty much renders the previous series and flow of continuity irrelevant, and not worth keeping alive other than brand recognition.
There are a few exceptions. The universal monster movies were readapted into after film years after, though technically it was merely the literature source material the new movies were adapted from.
Its probably inevitable that Alien and Predator will probably get the remake reboot in the far future, I'll just stick will the originals, let the new generation enjoy their reboot let it be judged for what it is and allow the option for the new fans to discover the old films and come to their own conclusion which they like. This is a fan community her not to fight, but to share our love and appreciation of these movie series.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 08, 2016, 12:55:19 AM
Who at universal stated that jurassic park 3 isn't canon? Oh thats right, no one said that. And wow Rakai Thwei, really? You actually wanted a reboot of predator? The reason your even here? You know how shitty reboots are nowadays? I mean obviousley not since your opinion is to drive another nail into the coffin.
I'm starting to get really tired of the way you express your counter opinions. I would suggest you think before you reply now and do so in a way that expresses your own thoughts without lambasting someone else's.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 07, 2016, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 07, 2016, 07:57:26 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 07, 2016, 07:50:21 PMAt this point it seems they're pocking a choosing what they consider continuity, their emphasis will no doubt be to the original, they're never likely to acknowledge any of the sequels.
Based on what? We know literally nothing about the film yet.
They described this film as an inventive sequel so the original Predator is still canon, and they're looking to make this an event film with a bigger budget and thats about all we know so far of this film, we can gather like Jurassic World it will mainly reference, pay tribute and acknowledge the Original film.
Nothing in that would suggest to me that they're going to pick and chose what they consider continuity. Shane Black specifically said that there was this rich history and continuity that he wanted to build upon, rather that ignore.
And I would hate to see a reboot. Of either this or Alien. I don't mind the idea of a soft reboot - as in a sequel that does it's own thing and goes elsewhere but isn't intended to overwrite the original. I think you could almost describe all the Predator films like that anyway.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 07, 2016, 09:54:11 PMThe initial extent of the studio was for The Predator to be a straight up reboot and Shane Black had convinced them to go for an inventive sequel.
But again, says who? The whole reboot thing seemed to be nothing more than the press getting the wrong end of the stick. Fox never announced it was a reboot.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 08, 2016, 06:43:55 AMThe same way I went to see Batman Begins by tossing the Burton 1989 Batman moving out of my mind from watching, that's how. Hell, you could even say the same for Batman 89 by tossing Batman 66 out of your mind when you watch it. Point is, I could judge something on it's own merits.. as an entirely stand alone interpretation.
No, I'm with overthere. Reboots are inherently more risky because you're basically saying, "No, we can do it better than we did it the first time." Then if it
isn't better... Well, you've f*cked up. You've basically thrown out the original fictional universe in favour of something worse.
There's absolutely
no need to reboot Predator. There are so many more things you could do in sequels with varying degrees of connection to the existing movies. I'm confused as to what you think a reboot could do that a sequel couldn't, anyway. Have someone else who isn't Arnie play Dutch? Who would want to see that?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 08, 2016, 07:49:23 AM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 07, 2016, 09:54:11 PMThe initial extent of the studio was for The Predator to be a straight up reboot and Shane Black had convinced them to go for an inventive sequel.
But again, says who? The whole reboot thing seemed to be nothing more than the press getting the wrong end of the stick. Fox never announced it was a reboot.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 08, 2016, 06:43:55 AMThe same way I went to see Batman Begins by tossing the Burton 1989 Batman moving out of my mind from watching, that's how. Hell, you could even say the same for Batman 89 by tossing Batman 66 out of your mind when you watch it. Point is, I could judge something on it's own merits.. as an entirely stand alone interpretation.
No, I'm with overthere. Reboots are inherently more risky because you're basically saying, "No, we can do it better than we did it the first time." Then if it isn't better... Well, you've f*cked up. You've basically thrown out the original fictional universe in favour of something worse.
There's absolutely no need to reboot Predator. There are so many more things you could do in sequels with varying degrees of connection to the existing movies. I'm confused as to what you think a reboot could do that a sequel couldn't, anyway. Have someone else who isn't Arnie play Dutch? Who would want to see that?
The only claim seem to have been from imd.com describing that Shane had met with fox for a Predator reboot but convinced them to do a sequel, perhaps this was just an assumption of the person posting. Maybe that will be rectified when they document the behind the scenes.
Not sure what that fella was reading but here are the comments Black has made regarding reboots/sequels/his reluctant involvement:
"As far as Fred and I are concerned anyway, why start over, when you've all this rich mythology yet to mine?" Black said he doesn't like reboots generally, but can "really get behind inventive sequels", noting that he likes "the idea of expanding and exploring the existing Predator mythology, rather than hitting the restart button. He went on to say that Dekker, who's writing the screenplay, is "perfect" for the project, adding the two had a blast writing the screenplay for The Monster Squad together."
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/06/25/shane-black-predator-sequel-reboot/
"They called me and I was reluctant. I said, "Look. You guys at Fox, I mean, I enjoy these movies, but we've been churning out these AVP whatever, they each cost a certain amount of money, they're okay, but there's no effort to elevate them or make them any kind of an event." They're just sort of another Predator. "Oh, there's another one that came out." They said, "What if we said to you we want to reinvent this, and really treat it with as much of an event status, or as much hoopla as we would the Alien prequel, which is coming out also? We really want to make this something. The kind of movie that people line up for." I said, "Really, you'll spend a bunch of money?" They go, "Yep." I go, "Make it really scale, spectacle?" "Yep." "Shit, that sounds interesting."
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/03/23/the-predator-to-be-an-event-film/
I think people are overestimating the term Reboot.
Yes, it will be an inventive Sequel, but it will be a reboot in the way that it is probably designed to spawn more movies/a new franchise opportunity and is easily accessible to People who have never seen a Predator movie before.
Therefore it's a reboot, a try to get the Franchise going full steam again and regain interest, but a Sequel in the way that they don't write anything over that has been established to get longtime fans involved.
Really, it's not that hard to understand guys.
I think it's just general confusion over the term.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 08, 2016, 09:28:55 AMTherefore it's a reboot.
No it isn't. Because that's not what a reboot is.
Reboot means wiping the slate totally clean and starting afresh. It's derived from the term used in computing, which means to turn everything off and start again from scratch.
If it's a sequel, by definition it's not a reboot.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 08, 2016, 09:30:49 AMI think it's just general confusion over the term.
This. The media throws the term reboot around all the time when it doesn't apply.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 08, 2016, 09:31:17 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 08, 2016, 09:28:55 AMTherefore it's a reboot.
No it isn't. Because that's not what a reboot is.
Reboot means wiping the slate totally clean and starting afresh.
That's a Remake.
The new Star Wars was a reboot, the new Jurassic World was a reboot in the way that they both started the two franchises again. Lets have a look at the Definition of that term really, if you reboot/restart your Computer for example, is everything going to be lost and completely different? No, It just means that you shut if off and put it back on, giving it a fresh start but going on with
existing things.
Therefore, FOX completely sees this a reboot, like Producer John Davis said in 2013, he would like to reboot Predator again, that's what they are doing now, that doesn't mean they write everything over that has happened though.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 08, 2016, 09:39:06 AMThat's a Remake.
No it isn't. A reboot
can be a remake but it doesn't necessarily have to be.
Batman Begins was a reboot because it wiped out all the previous
Batman movies, but it wasn't a remake of any of them.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 08, 2016, 09:39:06 AMThe new Star Wars was a reboot, the new Jurassic World was a reboot in the way that they both started the two franchises again.
No they weren't. They were sequels. They continued from the previous films. The fact they've renewed interest is incidental.
QuoteNo it isn't. A reboot can be a remake but it doesn't necessarily have to be.
If a reboot can be a Remake, why can't a reboot be a Sequel also? The one Option doesn't exluce the other one, you just see things in black and white, there is more to it though.
QuoteNo they weren't. They were sequels. They continued from the previous films. The fact they've renewed interest is incidental.
Nothing is incidental in Hollywood, and more than ever if you spend 250 Million Dollars on a product, a product that is designed to gain interest and to get asses into seats. How do you do that? Right, you include everyone, fans and people who have never seen a Star Wars or JP movie, and you do that by starting fresh, yet with elements from the past, but just enough so new People don't get confused. That's what a reboot distinguishes itself from a "true Sequel", that is mostly designed to give an existing fanbase more of the same.
John Davis said that Predator 2 was a reboot for example, yet it was a Sequel, Predators was a reboot and was advertised as such by it's Producer, yet it was a Sequel. You see? Yes, the term reboot
can mean they start fresh, but in 90 % of the cases it just means they start a long shorted franchise again.
That's why they will call it The Predator and not Predator 4, and not Jurassic Park 4 but Jurassic World and the Thing Prequel was simply The Thing etc. Those are/were all reboots designed to dust off franchises, yet were Sequels/Prequels.
Quote
Batman Begins was a reboot because it wiped out all the previous Batman movies, but it wasn't a remake of any of them.
You could also say they were Remakes though, why? Because, while not in particular remaking any of the other movies, they remade the start of the Batman character. Just because the two movies are profoundly different doesn't exclude the fact that there was a Batman movie, yet they decied to scuff that and remake/redo it.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 08, 2016, 10:10:25 AMIf a reboot can be a Remake, why can't a reboot be a Sequel also?
Because the two are mutually exclusive terms. A sequel continues a story, or at least tells another related story that happened subsequently, whereas a reboot scrubs everything previous and starts afresh. You can't do both simultaneously.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 08, 2016, 10:10:25 AMYou could also say they were Remakes though, why? Because, while not in particular remaking any of the other movies, they remade the start of the Batman character.
Batman Begins wasn't a remake because the origins of Batman had never been done in any of the preceding
Batman feature films. It was a completely original story. A remake is just a redo of the same basic story. It may differ in the details, but you're essentially recreating something that's already been done, which
Batman Begins didn't do.
QuoteBecause the two are mutually exclusive terms. A sequel continues a story, or at least tells another related story that happened subsequently, whereas a reboot scrubs everything previous and starts afresh. You can't do both simultaneously.
So why are you saying that Jurassic World was a Sequel only then? It didn't continue an existing Story and was by it's ground an completely original idea that has never been done before.
So didn't Predators... something is not working here.
And why was Predators a reboot and was openly advertised a such yet didn't write anything over? For you, a reboot can only be labeled a such when it completely writes over everything that has come before it, yet none of the examples indicates that.
QuoteIt was a completely original story.
So was Jurassic World, Terminator Genisys, the new Star Wars... you don't really understand what i want to express, the term reboot is not so much in it's execution, but it starts in the very idea of Studio exects going "what should we do with it and what is the Goal, should we just do a Sequel to a movie maybe nobody gives a shit for, or should we do a reboot that is it's own thing without contradicting the past?".
For you, a reboot is automatically a radical obliteration of an existing Franchise and starting over, but the past had us teached that this is simply not the case.
We won't agree here, let's just move on with the original thread.
For me, this is clearly a reboot of the Franchise that has been dead in the water for 8 years by the time the movie comes out, for you, it's simply a Sequel, fine.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 08, 2016, 06:43:55 AM
The same way I went to see Batman Begins by tossing the Burton 1989 Batman moving out of my mind from watching, that's how. Hell, you could even say the same for Batman 89 by tossing Batman 66 out of your mind when you watch it. Point is, I could judge something on it's own merits.. as an entirely stand alone interpretation.
Batman is originally a comic book and movies are it's adaptations. You can make a million of adaptations which are not related to each other, but have the same source material. Predator is it's own source material, there's nothing else to fall back on to reinterpret differently.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 08, 2016, 06:43:55 AM
Not every reboot does everything which the originals do. I could name a few reboots which are vastly different from the original films... Batman Begins, Dredd, Godzilla 2014, Amazing Spider-Man, King Kong 1976. Just a few. Sure, the core elements are the same but the scenes and some ideas are different.
Same thing here. All those have the same source material which their interpret in a different way. In this case, Predator is the source material and there's no need to change it.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 08, 2016, 06:43:55 AM
So you want me to go with the mentality everyone has?
No, I'm just curious about it because your argument makes more sense for the opposite view.
As for the Reboot/Remake argument, I sort of see how a sequel could be a reboot if it kick-starts a franchise again. If 30 years after the original a sequel comes that spawns a few more sequels, I'd call that a reboot cause it started the whole thing again. But that may not be the definition of reboot, as it usually means it wipes everything and starts from the beginning like the original never happened.
A remake would be something like scene by scene copy of the original, only this time with updated effects and stuff like that.
But NO ONE would want to see an actual remake of Predator, with someone else playing any one of those classic characters.
Luckily this new movie is confirmed to be a sequel so there's no debate here.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 08, 2016, 10:58:12 AMSo why are you saying that Jurassic World was a Sequel only then? It didn't continue an existing Story and was by it's ground an completely original idea that has never been done before.
You've completely ignored the part about "another related story that happened subsequently".
Jurassic World is clearly a sequel, because a) it obviously takes place after the first one, building on the same fictional location, and b) things like Ian Malcolm's book are in it, which were only ever mentioned in the preceding sequels, so clearly they happened too. Even
if it ignored the intervening sequels (which is doesn't), that doesn't mean they never happened. 99% of the pre-Daniel Craig Bond movies don't reference the previous film(s), it doesn't mean each and every one of them was a reboot.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 08, 2016, 10:58:12 AMSo didn't Predators... something is not working here.
Characters in
Predators specifically talk about the events of the fist movie, so obviously a sequel.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 08, 2016, 10:58:12 AMFor you, a reboot can only be labeled a such when it completely writes over everything that has come before it.
Because
that is what a reboot is. It's not my fault the media throws the term around without a clue as to what it actually means. It's not like it would be the first time. The examples I've given (e.g.
Batman Begins)
are reboots.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 08, 2016, 10:58:12 AMSo was Jurassic World, Terminator Genisys, the new Star Wars...
Ignoring for a second all the people who called those films out for
not being terribly original stories... None of those in any way discarded anything previous, and in fact all three openly acknowledge and build on the proceeding films. Ergo: sequels.
How did the Jurassic World reboot/sequel debate leak into this thread... omg 50 cent is going to be riding a dinosaur in The Predator!
Like i said, we just won't agree on this.
A Reboot for me is a movie, Sequel or not, that is designed to feel like it's the first in the series, whether or not it acknowledges the previous entrys, and any of the examples i named are exactly that kind of movies. Yes they are Sequels, but each one of them are designed for people who have never seen any of the previous entrys, that, by todays Standards, is a reboot in my book.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 08, 2016, 12:52:08 PMA Reboot for me is a movie, Sequel or not, that is designed to feel like it's the first in the series, whether or not it acknowledges the previous entrys, and any of the examples i named are exactly that kind of movies.
Ignoring the fact that is fundamentally not what the word means... But OK.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 08, 2016, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 08, 2016, 12:52:08 PMA Reboot for me is a movie, Sequel or not, that is designed to feel like it's the first in the series, whether or not it acknowledges the previous entrys, and any of the examples i named are exactly that kind of movies.
Ignoring the fact that is fundamentally not what the word means... But OK.
It's maybe not exactly what the term means, but that's what the studios use the word for... and that's really the point of the whole argument here.
Dude it has less to do with what the word means and more to do with the intent behind the movies purpose. It's clear that Jurassic World is intended as a reboot of a long slumbering cash cow. Yes it's a true sequel but at the same time it's most definitively a reboot. It obviously can't be a remake. Actually I just looked it up and apparently the word "reboot" has fundamentally changed to now accept relaunching a previous property.
Look a Decoy
I think reinvigoration is a more appropriate term.
I thought remakes were when you do the same story of a previous film.
So if The Predator was a remake of Predator, it'd be a similar (if not the same) story as the 1987 film
If it were a reboot, it'd do what Godzilla 2014 did, ignore the previous stuff and start its own story.
But Black and Dekker have stated that the Predator franchise has some rich lore to explore, so this will be a sequel since it will explore what's already established rather than re-doing a story that was done or telling one with new lore from scratch.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 08, 2016, 01:09:14 PM
Dude it has less to do with what the word means and more to do with the intent behind the movies purpose. It's clear that Jurassic World is intended as a reboot of a long slumbering cash cow. Yes it's a true sequel but at the same time it's most definitively a reboot. It obviously can't be a remake. Actually I just looked it up and apparently the word "reboot" has fundamentally changed to now accept relaunching a previous property.
Hmm... you are right, the word "reboot" seems to be the craze these days. I didn't know about the definition change.
Here's what I found from a quick google search.
Remake: a film or piece of music that has been filmed or recorded again.
"a remake of the classic horror tale, 'Frankenstein'"
Reboot: "In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning."
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Apr 08, 2016, 01:13:29 PM
Look a Decoy
What!?
WHERE!?
Decoy Fail, Decoy Fail!
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 08, 2016, 01:14:53 PM
Reboot: "In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning."
Yea, like rebooting a computer. However that's not how the suits in the studios are thinking. It just means do what ever is necessary to make more money. Hell when you think about the word reboot in computer terms, a reboot is just to restart the computer from a base state. The definition you posted sounds more like a reformat.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 08, 2016, 01:13:45 PM
I think reinvigoration is a more appropriate term.
Actually I think the term reboot is wrong. I mean when you reboot a computer you don't toss out anything that is saved. You're just continuing with a cleared canvas. Reinvigoration is an end goal.
Really what JW should be called is milking a cash cow. Once again it is intent, if The Predator is intended to relaunch the Predator property, then I would call it an attempt at rebooting. Restarting if you will. From the perspective that there hasn't been much going on lately.
Predators is a good example of a reboot.
I think rather than using the word reboot, which confuses many that it discard continuity it should be referred to as a ReBrand or ReLaunch, a sequel with a refreshing approach, has throw backs to the previous film/films here and there but can stand as its own thing. Designed to introduce the franchise to a new generation, modern audiences.
I like Predators because it can be looked at as a reboot and remake to some people. It was a sequel as well. It was all of those things.
He can play Harrigan's kid or Dillon's kid or Mac's kid.
No matter how you turn it, if he will be in it, it doesnt get my hopes up, and this will probably be a waste straight from the getgo.
Lots of good black actors around, but casting 50 cent.......COME ONNNNNNN!!!!!!!!
And Black and Decker...really.. :D
Yea that's the thing. 50 cent is the type of "actor" one hires for a low budget knock off or parody movie and that is what's bothering a lot of us the most. Really he should have kept his mouth shut, the negativity is high because aside from rumors, he apparently sounds like the first hire. I think after a few more credible actors were named to be in the movie, then the announcement of 50 cent being in this would have been less of a shock to the senses.
If he's in this... he should have never let it slip.
I've been a big 50 Cent and G-Unit fan since 1999 and still regularly check to see what's new with both. I have heard hundreds of interviews, documentary type videos etc. to say I am about 98% certain 50 Cent is being totally honest. Especially is you watch the second video. Even in the first video he seems like he may be joking or randomly saying he's doing the project if you have heard the dude talk enough times I think you would agree that it doesn't seem like he is joking and it's just the way he carries on a conversation sometimes. So yea for what it's worth IMO he is being 100% honest. But we will see what happens
oh great that's all we need some useless idiot that cant even act unless its a low budget movie seriously we need decent actors for this franchise I thought predators was ok but we need a film that can be as good as the first predator movie was bring back arnie make sure the film isn't made on the cheap take ur time with it and it could be awesome but first and formost get rid of 50 pence please we need a good film not some useless twit that has the charisma of a KitKat chocolate bar
Oh yes, if he gets killed brutally by a Predator.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 09, 2016, 12:17:07 AM
Yea that's the thing. 50 cent is the type of "actor" one hires for a low budget knock off or parody movie and that is what's bothering a lot of us the most. Really he should have kept his mouth shut, the negativity is high because aside from rumors, he apparently sounds like the first hire. I think after a few more credible actors were named to be in the movie, then the announcement of 50 cent being in this would have been less of a shock to the senses.
If he's in this... he should have never let it slip.
But then again, he could just simply play a King Willie type victim ;)
I'm curious what The Predator will be about. Will the military have a talk with The Predator? Making progress from the end of Predator 2 were they wanted to freeze Cityhunter and have a talk with him.
We don't know if 50 Cent is going to be involved. It could be just hot air.. Wait until Shane or Fred say something..
I don't like the idea either but... you know... I just want this to be good. If he's in the movie, well... I'd mark that as a con but as long as the story and concepts match up to my ideal vision of the Predator, I'd be willing to overlook it.
Quote from: jimbob30 on Apr 09, 2016, 01:18:46 PM
oh great that's all we need some useless idiot that cant even act unless its a low budget movie seriously we need decent actors for this franchise I thought predators was ok but we need a film that can be as good as the first predator movie was bring back arnie make sure the film isn't made on the cheap take ur time with it and it could be awesome but first and formost get rid of 50 pence please we need a good film not some useless twit that has the charisma of a KitKat chocolate bar
Obviously 50 Cent isn't a great actor but if utilized correctly he could be more than effective. Especially if Shane goes with a few huge ripped "macho" dudes with no shirts or whatever because 50 Cent when in his best shape is a f**king MONSTER. Also his acting skills have really improved since his first film and he has his own Tv series in the show Power which is his creation and under his direction.
oh and to say he is an idiot who only gets hired for junk B movies is totally untrue. he has been in movies along side Robert Deniro more than once and Deniro loves working with him. Actually he was in one film alongside Deniro and Al Pacino. Not small roles either. Main roles. As far as him being an idiot? The dude is very business savvy and if you listen to that side of him he is actually very intelligent. He has many business ventures outside of the entertainment industry. Including his own Vodka Brand in Effen Vodka. His own line of headphones and audio devices in SMS Audio. He actually made headlines 8 or so years ago when Vitamin Water sold out to Coca Cola which put a reported 400 million in his wallet because he was smart enough early on to see that Vitamin Water was going to be huge. when coca cola bought them out he owned 10% of their stock actually and even helped market early on by doing a few of their commercials along side other celebs. he did for a short time start his own boxing team with him being the owner along with his at the time best friend Floyd Mayweather Jr. butthey had amajor fallout which cost 50 millions so he backed out and that ended quickly. they did have around 10 fighters and Mayweather was actually one of them until they ended it. As matter of fact hes been so successful in all his ventures that he left interscope records and created his own independent lable because he no longer saw eye to eye with Jimmy L. at Interscope and could actually afford to do so. My point is without trying to sound like a dickhead..........but maybe you are just assuming hes an idiot because of how you view the majority of rappers and not basing it on his entire body of work and accomplishments outside of music.
Even though I am a fan of his I do not think he is some great actor by and means but he has been pretty good in a few roles. oh and the dude is a f**king comic genius. seriously. he is funny as piss. maybe he can add a little comic relief.
sorry tried to type all of this very quickly using my Chatpad on my Xbox One controller so sorry for grammar. and again I meant no offense. love everyone in this community. ive been mostly a lurker for many many years now and check it daily
De Niro is way past his prime. He probably sees 50 cent as that cute kid with problems that keeps caping his pink flamingos.
I still can't see 50 Cent being a Predator movie. If this did this in 2008 then maybe sure. I can't see it happening now since he is not as popular as he once was.
I'm certain 50 Cent is just going to be one of the thugs/badass guys who gets killed by Predator. Most characters don't live long in a Predator movie.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Apr 10, 2016, 07:35:33 AM
I still can't see 50 Cent being a Predator movie. If this did this in 2008 then maybe sure. I can't see it happening now since he is not as popular as he once was.
Maybe he can pop out as a soldier somewhere with a gun in his hand,
and the predator presses a button with some nitrogen thats sprays on his side and then his arm and the side of his body freezes and the predator smashes it off.
:P
50 cents acting skill is so low ,he could play a dead body and still ruin the movie.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 10, 2016, 02:21:26 PM
50 cents acting skill is so low ,he could play a dead body and still ruin the movie.
Arnold's acting skill were low in Predator too.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 10, 2016, 02:21:26 PM
50 cents acting skill is so low ,he could play a dead body and still ruin the movie.
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Oh come on guys, lets be fair to the man. He's been shot, what, like half a dozen times? I whole heartily believe that he could play a fantastic cadaver.
50 cent? I'm cool with that. Still much better choice then Topher Grace.
Quote from: Master on Apr 11, 2016, 06:14:15 AM
50 cent? I'm cool with that. Still much better choice then Topher Grace.
That... potentially, and also maybe regrettably true.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 10, 2016, 02:21:26 PM50 cents acting skill is so low ,he could play a dead body and still ruin the movie.
Have you actually seen him in
Escape Plan?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 11, 2016, 07:34:30 AM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 10, 2016, 02:21:26 PM50 cents acting skill is so low ,he could play a dead body and still ruin the movie.
Have you actually seen him in Escape Plan?
Alright, we get it, you dig escape plan and no I have not seen it. If you keep nagging I might eventually watch it... actually you know what, just to make you happy I'ma watch it some time very soon.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 11, 2016, 08:50:17 AMAlright, we get it, you dig escape plan and no I have not seen it.
That's not my point. I actually thought the film was just OK.
My point is people keep slagging off ol' Fiddy's acting as shite when his performance really wasn't half bad in that film. OK, he was no Daniel Day-Lewis, but he certainly wasn't appalling, which makes stuff like "he could play a dead body and still ruin the movie" grossly unfair.
And trust me, I
never thought I'd be defending 50 Cent.
What's the big deal? He'll be one of the thugs and probably die very early in the movie. Sort of like Justin Bieber in Zoolander 2.
Zoolander 2 is one of the worst movies I've ever seen, though.
You actually watched zoolander 2...
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 11, 2016, 09:36:47 AM
You actually watched zoolander 2...
I like the first one.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 11, 2016, 07:34:30 AM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 10, 2016, 02:21:26 PM50 cents acting skill is so low ,he could play a dead body and still ruin the movie.
Have you actually seen him in Escape Plan?
Yeah I've endured him in Escape Plan and also Righteous Kill
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.........
Meh people making mountains out of mole hills, the only way this would bother me at all is if he was the main character.
I will reserve judgment until after the film releases, as should you all.
Fred Dekker responded to my question over on Facebook in regards to 50 Cent being in the movie.. The claim DOES have weight!
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Alright HuDaFuk, I watched Escape Plan last night and holy f**k, for as stupid as it was, it wasn't that bad of a time waster. Still 50 cent has the acting range of any tom, dick or harry from off the street. Here, say these lines with a straight face. Yea, I'll give you that. At least he can do that but that's it. He face looked as dead as botox. Though I think a competent director could squeeze something out of him. Still in my honest opinion, you're bring overtly optimistic about it.
I suppose he did actually play a decent dork.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 13, 2016, 05:39:42 AMStill 50 cent has the acting range of any tom, dick or harry from off the street. Here, say these lines with a straight face. Yea, I'll give you that. At least he can do that but that's it.
That was pretty much my point. I never said he was great, just that I think it's unfair that people are dismissing his as something that will completely ruin the movie by his mere presence.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 13, 2016, 07:54:00 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 13, 2016, 05:39:42 AMStill 50 cent has the acting range of any tom, dick or harry from off the street. Here, say these lines with a straight face. Yea, I'll give you that. At least he can do that but that's it.
That was pretty much my point. I never said he was great, just that I think it's unfair that people are dismissing his as something that will completely ruin the movie by his mere presence.
That's exactly my opinion.
The last Person i expected them to even consider for a role in this movie was 50 Cent, but let's just wait and see how things turn out.
Much more intersting to me is the fact that they really started to approach People and i can't wait for some confirmed casting and story Details.
50 Cent was decent in Southpaw.
Considering the first movie was almost exclusively cast with bodybuilders, wrestlers, and psychopaths, I'm really, really not seeing how the idea of 50 cent being in this is a bad thing. Predator movies don't require a lot of acting.
Predator is probably Arnold's best performance. He carried the movie in the last 30 minutes on his own, without saying a word.
Except maybe Terminator where his stiffness fit into the character.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 13, 2016, 07:54:00 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 13, 2016, 05:39:42 AMStill 50 cent has the acting range of any tom, dick or harry from off the street. Here, say these lines with a straight face. Yea, I'll give you that. At least he can do that but that's it.
That was pretty much my point. I never said he was great, just that I think it's unfair that people are dismissing his as something that will completely ruin the movie by his mere presence.
But he isn't even kind of
good ok at acting. After the initial shock I did back off of it but I mean really, he should have kept his mouth shut until a few other actors names were made public. Where he could blend into the crowd a bit. Never the less he needs to bring a better game face in this movie. The shit in escape plan isn't going to cut it regardless of our opinions.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2016, 08:35:27 AM
Considering the first movie was almost exclusively cast with bodybuilders, wrestlers, and psychopaths, I'm really, really not seeing how the idea of 50 cent being in this is a bad thing. Predator movies don't require a lot of acting.
Yea but they're all actors, sort of... hell that movie has two former Governors and a small town mayor and the current director of the next predator movie. Bill Duke and Carl Weathers are both legitimate actors. Peter Hall was awesome in the suit. Chaves was stalked by a Predator in real life!
:laugh:
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 13, 2016, 01:57:45 AM
Fred Dekker responded to my question over on Facebook in regards to 50 Cent being in the movie.. The claim DOES have weight!
https://36.media.tumblr.com/959561df66306df9725b50a7c454140f/tumblr_o5juy7S9zv1rh8tweo1_r1_500.png
They met randomly in the queue at Burger King.
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Apr 13, 2016, 11:03:10 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Apr 13, 2016, 01:57:45 AM
Fred Dekker responded to my question over on Facebook in regards to 50 Cent being in the movie.. The claim DOES have weight!
https://36.media.tumblr.com/959561df66306df9725b50a7c454140f/tumblr_o5juy7S9zv1rh8tweo1_r1_500.png
They met randomly in the queue at Burger King.
Nah mcdonalds