Would love to see SEGA and Gearbox pay up.
It got FOXED.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 02, 2014, 06:43:07 PM
It got FOXED.
Guess that it means it's over.
Well, hopefully SEGA loses the rights and Gearbox goes under.
Usually Fox is the only company privileged with f'ing up their own franchise. I'm still surprised that they didn't find a way go after GBX themselves.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Apr 02, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
Usually Fox is the only company privileged with f'ing up their own franchise. I'm still surprised that they didn't find a way go after GBX themselves.
Can't believe Gearbox got away with this BS.
What gearbox did is unscrupulous, but not illegal. Tech-demos are never concrete representations, but rather, what a developer aspires to produce. There are countless instances of similar cases, but this one was a very apparent discrepancy. This still doesn't mean that the consumer is entitled to anything, and frankly, I find entitled gamers to be some of the greatest sources of this industry's ills.
Quote from: Mr. Sin on Apr 16, 2014, 09:37:35 PM
What gearbox did is unscrupulous, but not illegal. Tech-demos are never concrete representations, but rather, what a developer aspires to produce. There are countless instances of similar cases, but this one was a very apparent discrepancy. This still doesn't mean that the consumer is entitled to anything, and frankly, I find entitled gamers to be some of the greatest sources of this industry's ills.
Randy Pitchfraud said the demo was straight from the game. There have been countless arguments why this one sticks the most compared to similar cases in gaming industry.
Quote from: PRI. HUDSON on Apr 02, 2014, 07:37:04 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 02, 2014, 06:43:07 PM
It got FOXED.
Guess that it means it's over.
Well, hopefully SEGA loses the rights and Gearbox goes under.
If it makes you feel any better, Alien: Isolation is looking to be the last Aliens-related game under Sega's contract before it expires, and I doubt Sega is looking to renew.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 21, 2014, 06:27:37 AM
Quote from: PRI. HUDSON on Apr 02, 2014, 07:37:04 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 02, 2014, 06:43:07 PM
It got FOXED.
Guess that it means it's over.
Well, hopefully SEGA loses the rights and Gearbox goes under.
If it makes you feel any better, Alien: Isolation is looking to be the last Aliens-related game under Sega's contract before it expires, and I doubt Sega is looking to renew.
Id love to see Sony take a stab at it, personally.
Quote from: demonbane on Apr 21, 2014, 04:45:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Sin on Apr 16, 2014, 09:37:35 PM
What gearbox did is unscrupulous, but not illegal. Tech-demos are never concrete representations, but rather, what a developer aspires to produce. There are countless instances of similar cases, but this one was a very apparent discrepancy. This still doesn't mean that the consumer is entitled to anything, and frankly, I find entitled gamers to be some of the greatest sources of this industry's ills.
Randy Pitchfraud said the demo was straight from the game. There have been countless arguments why this one sticks the most compared to similar cases in gaming industry.
Correct, he said "in-game" and "act two of the game". f**k him.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 21, 2014, 06:27:37 AM
Quote from: PRI. HUDSON on Apr 02, 2014, 07:37:04 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 02, 2014, 06:43:07 PM
It got FOXED.
Guess that it means it's over.
Well, hopefully SEGA loses the rights and Gearbox goes under.
If it makes you feel any better, Alien: Isolation is looking to be the last Aliens-related game under Sega's contract before it expires, and I doubt Sega is looking to renew.
I can only dream that they won't re-up.
Quote from: Mr. Sin on Apr 22, 2014, 05:39:38 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 21, 2014, 06:27:37 AM
Quote from: PRI. HUDSON on Apr 02, 2014, 07:37:04 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 02, 2014, 06:43:07 PM
It got FOXED.
Guess that it means it's over.
Well, hopefully SEGA loses the rights and Gearbox goes under.
If it makes you feel any better, Alien: Isolation is looking to be the last Aliens-related game under Sega's contract before it expires, and I doubt Sega is looking to renew.
Id love to see Sony take a stab at it, personally.
Anyone one with money and a decent rep would make this series elite. ANYONE.
I have a positive feeling about AI. If it goes well it could change the way developers view the franchise. I personally would love to play a game like isolation set on Hadley's hope. Playing as a sole colonist with no weapons and no training.
I still think ACM has potential. Just make the Aliens lethal, hire a decent writer, and vary the worlds explored.
Every engagement should feel like your just barely surviving by the skin of your teeth. Kind of like AvP 99.
The idea of ACM you mean?
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Apr 25, 2014, 01:51:54 PM
The idea of ACM you mean?
I think that's what he meant. I would advise if anyone wanted to do an ACM style game to not do a sequel. ACM was a disaster and I would rather see a new idea with Aliens vs Marines (no Preds).
Quote from: PRI. HUDSON on Apr 25, 2014, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Apr 25, 2014, 01:51:54 PM
The idea of ACM you mean?
I think that's what he meant. I would advise if anyone wanted to do an ACM style game to not do a sequel. ACM was a disaster and I would rather see a new idea with Aliens vs Marines (no Preds).
Yep. I meant Aliens CM style game. And no I wouldn't do a sequel either. Let the idea sit for awhile and then reboot it a couple of years from now.
Quote from: demonbane on Apr 21, 2014, 04:45:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Sin on Apr 16, 2014, 09:37:35 PM
What gearbox did is unscrupulous, but not illegal. Tech-demos are never concrete representations, but rather, what a developer aspires to produce. There are countless instances of similar cases, but this one was a very apparent discrepancy. This still doesn't mean that the consumer is entitled to anything, and frankly, I find entitled gamers to be some of the greatest sources of this industry's ills.
Randy Pitchfraud said the demo was straight from the game. There have been countless arguments why this one sticks the most compared to similar cases in gaming industry.
That is a classic pr line, many demos and trailers have been lied about being in game when it isnt xD Just to make people buy it :P
Killzone 2´s trailer in 2005 were faked as well but being said: In game, one example of many :)
Quote from: judge death on Jul 04, 2014, 12:46:35 PM
That is a classic pr line, many demos and trailers have been lied about being in game when it isnt xD Just to make people buy it :P
Killzone 2´s trailer in 2005 were faked as well but being said: In game, one example of many :)
It's a classic line that has often gotten developers in trouble. There's no excuse for false advertising or outright lying to your customers. Period.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2014/07/31/gearbox-tells-its-side-of-the-alien-colonial-marines-story-in-court.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2014/07/31/gearbox-tells-its-side-of-the-alien-colonial-marines-story-in-court.aspx)
Damn you Ratty!
f**k Gearbox, seriously. And f**k Borderlands too.
Agree.
..........amazing that a bunch of supposed grownups (everyone involved in developing and releasing this game) have been so busy pointing the finger of blame at each other instead of actually trying to "fix" it....... ???
Not surprised that the powers that be still take no responsibility for anything. I still remember in 2011 when we contacted GBX about what we had heard about a great part of the game being outsourced to another studio and how their marketing team debunked it, went onto to say that the GBX team working on materials for the infamous E3 2011 demo would be very offended by such a claim. I guess they'll keep pointing fingers until the case is dismissed...
but, with all the subsequent updates wasnt supposed the game to be how it was supposed to?
then whats the point of the lawsuit?
bad or good, the game have been archived in the bad-at-launch games and nobody remembers it even exists
Who the f### are these two jackasses (Roger Damion Perrine and John Locke)?
Like I know the people of the world complained about it being too bright and the global illumination was like the demo but a lawsuit like this is either a joke or a complete fabricated pile of rubbish.
I won't bash anyone standing up for what they believe is wrong or right. Out of all the outraged fans, they were the only ones with balls to try and do something about it.
This debacle with Gearbox still pisses me off. All I want is the damn A:CM game we were f**king "promised".
Just fix the game. A game company lives off the back of its product and fans. You turn out a bad product and don't do anything to fix it or make good with your customers?? That's bad business. This is a great franchise and a hardcore fanbase to go with it. I hope one of these days a great game company will pick up this franchise and do amazing things with it!! FIX THE GAME!!!
Not gunna happen. They've fulfilled their contractual obligation, and a court isn't going to tell them otherwise.
And because of this "obligation", how many people have vowed never to buy a Gearbox game again? I was curious about Boardeands for the longest time. but, because of their constant lies and disregard for customer satisfaction and opinion, I will never buy it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels thisnway. I'll be damned if I ever buy any of Gearbox's future titles either.
sega sucks they need to give up the rights and let a independent small gaming studios take over, these big companies have so much bureaucratic bullshit that the games get f**ked up in development, also the plots are horrible and unoriginal
Looks like GBX is playing the system pretty hard with this one and passing the buck wherever they can...and I'm not surprised. At least SEGA is willing to settle but GBX doesn't want to pay for cheating the consumer out of a sub-par, under-developed product.
Good news is that there is a chance of justice yet for those that paid full price for what should've been a bargain title.
The better news is that I'd imagine that SEGA is now micro-managing their quality control for Isolation...which makes me have more hope for that title.
look at aliens crucible it gave a different style of gameplay, even though the alien AI needed improvement and so did the weapons, if handled right it could of been epic but the developers these days well ya know.....
Quote from: Jango1201 on Aug 01, 2014, 11:46:08 PM
And because of this "obligation", how many people have vowed never to buy a Gearbox game again? I was curious about Boardeands for the longest time. but, because of their constant lies and disregard for customer satisfaction and opinion, I will never buy it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels thisnway. I'll be damned if I ever buy any of Gearbox's future titles either.
This was the first and last game from gearbox i bought
After what happened with Watch Dogs and Ubisoft it looks like this is becoming a norm in the industry so this lawsuit will probably head nowhere and it's just a waste of money.
So basically Gearbox is saying that even though they shit the bed, SEGA said not to worry about it so it's SEGA's fault there's a mess in the sheets?
That's rich.
Quote from: Jango1201 on Aug 01, 2014, 11:46:08 PM
And because of this "obligation", how many people have vowed never to buy a Gearbox game again? I was curious about Boardeands for the longest time. but, because of their constant lies and disregard for customer satisfaction and opinion, I will never buy it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels thisnway. I'll be damned if I ever buy any of Gearbox's future titles either.
I've seen a lot of people say they're never going to buy another Gearbox game.
Whether they actually do or not is another matter, but it has definitely generated a lot of ill feeling that isn't aimed at Sega.
Funny thing is, no one would have cared if the game turned out great regardless of the pre-release marketing; I think that's the real sore point. It's more that we are hardcore fans and we wanted the best but we got our feelings hurt, but you can't say that in court unfortunately. So it's easy to bring up the false advertising issue instead. Gearbox are without doubt a bunch of sly c***ts, but unfortunately every company does this sort of false marketing thing constantly.
my brother pointedly doesn't talk about this game with me due to the 6 years of anticipation and the following 12 months of complaining on my part. But he raised an excellent point , if gearbox was pixxed it didn't get paid for making this crappy game but took all the proceeds then no matter who made the game they are now legally involved for taking the money. I think they want out before Sega gets to see financial records of HOW its money was spent.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Aug 02, 2014, 01:52:57 AM
Looks like GBX is playing the system pretty hard with this one and passing the buck wherever they can...and I'm not surprised. At least SEGA is willing to settle but GBX doesn't want to pay for cheating the consumer out of a sub-par, under-developed product.
Good news is that there is a chance of justice yet for those that paid full price for what should've been a bargain title.
The better news is that I'd imagine that SEGA is now micro-managing their quality control for Isolation...which makes me have more hope for that title.
Alien Isolation will be this franchise's last chance to shine IMO. I will wait for the reviews to come out and if it's any good, I'll buy it. I refuse to pre-order anything anymore. I learned the hard way with A:CM and Battlefield 4...
I HATE SEGA i mean look what happened to ROME II same shit happened there that happened to this game, its all about management, this is not news whether creative assembly works on it, obsidian, gear box, bioware etc.. since sega calls the shots since they have the license. sega will streamline the product aka strip down games to the bones minimum to save time and money, as long as they can pump out copies to meet quota they dont care, as long as the advertisement is exceptionally good for marketing to alure buyers...either that they will give you the bones minimum almost a beta at launch and sell the game or patches to you in pieces and you have to pay extra for each piece, why? GIVE ME MONEY SUCKERS. i was a sucker with avp 010 for segas first game of the franchise, never again will i buy as long as the franchise is held by SEGA IMO >:(
SEGA lol, SEGA fails just like they failed with their consoles
Wouldn't be the first time Gearbox is trying to squirm their way out of the highlights for screwing the pooch. They did it with Duke Nukem as well, saying that it's not their fault, its the license holder's fault.
Quote from: gabgrave on Aug 05, 2014, 03:30:04 AM
Wouldn't be the first time Gearbox is trying to squirm their way out of the highlights for screwing the pooch. They did it with Duke Nukem as well, saying that it's not their fault, its the license holder's fault.
If a companies product is doing this badly on numerous different projects there is a single common factor.....
GEARBOX
I hope they all feel like pieces of dog $#!7 for all the "were fans of the franchise, fans will love this, this is made for fans"
Bastards
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 02, 2014, 09:51:07 AM
After what happened with Watch Dogs and Ubisoft it looks like this is becoming a norm in the industry so this lawsuit will probably head nowhere and it's just a waste of money.
Speaking as someone who knows nothing about Watch_Dogs, could you elaborate on this?
There's not much to really elaborate on, Ubisoft's early footage was much more pristine than the final released game, much in the same way A'CM's was. I'm sure someone can post video examples.
Just fix the game. A game company lives off the back of its product and fans. You turn out a bad product and don't do anything to fix it or make good with your customers?? That's bad business. This is a great franchise and a hardcore fanbase to go with it. I hope one of these days a great game company will pick up this franchise and do amazing things with it!! FIX THE GAME!!!
A lot of people will be buying another game from them, like it or not, if only because they're remaking the original 'Homeworld'.
Like I've been saying for a long time, if they didn't suffer any kind of meaningful consequences for their 'Duke Nukem' effort - a game which had arguably more hype surrounding it - they're not going to receive any for this, either.
I'm sure Gearbox will be fine. Homeworld, the inevitable Borderlands 3, Brothers in Arms and that Borderlands collaboration project with Telltale will probably all bring them success because Pitchford knows what the fans want to hear. With that being said, they will get none of my money.
Whether Alien Isolation is successful or not, my dream game is a compilation of ports/HD remakes of previous Alien/Predator games. Aliens arcade, AVP Arcade, AVP and AVP 2 would definitely be in the compilation. I know Sega can make it happen.
http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/11/5993509/aliens-colonial-marines-class-action-settlement (http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/11/5993509/aliens-colonial-marines-class-action-settlement)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2Feeb3673df89277195c7d38d2ce724264.png&hash=5d4626322d1466ed25950933273fd9e9a2961dcc)
Interesting.
...Well...that's surprising. I assume that admission will have negative bearing on Gearbox's case.
As long as they skin Pitchfork alive, I´m fine.
Well, of course it's not an admission of guilt on Sega's part, because they didn't do anything wrong. But they're still covering for Gearbox, because classy.
I would rather see gearbox suffer for this.
Well, I traded in enough stuff to only have paid about $6 for the game when it was released. I wish Gearbox would give me back all those games instead.
Gearbox still isn't out of the case which is refreshing, of all of the companies that were involved they deserve to suffer the most.
Well, I for one am ready to get my 60 bucks back.
"...and the rest will be used to pay to those eligible customers who purchased the game. Payments to customers who fill out a three question claim form, purchased the game before Feb. 13, 2013 and are approved, will not exceed the amount paid for the game. The amount each customer receives back will be dependent on how many people submit claims. No money will be returned to Sega."
I assume the refunds are for US only and nobody outside is entitled to a refund?
I can't help but feel a little sorry for Sega. They must have poured millions into ACM and it's ended up costing them much more in the end. And Gearbox still haven't had their comeuppance.
I...I honestly hate them
WoW, We will never likely get a real technical specification as to what the hell is going on REALLY but this is how I see:
Sega opted to use an advanced version of unreal Engine 3 ( considering the neat illumination and water effects in the demo look just like the ones on Arkham Knight), then told Gearbox to get on it
with a surprise twist : Wii U.
Hense the Wii U cancellation and the outrageously low quality engine we got which was probably done on purpose to test on Wii U.
I like to think this as the logic behind the lawsuit since the reports are downright stupid allegations that don't add up to an actual reason.
The reports are beginning to sound like some douch bag costumer is suing over an unintended use of bump maps and solar flares effects in the game.
Damn those costumers...
Quote from: SM on Aug 12, 2014, 10:18:23 PM
Damn those costumers...
Wanting what was advertised. those monsters
So who do I contact to get my $100 back from buying the CE day one? ???
Quote from: Nazrel on Aug 12, 2014, 10:35:22 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 12, 2014, 10:18:23 PM
Damn those costumers...
Wanting what was advertised. those monsters
Always making those damn costumes...
I admire SEGA for settling. Now GBX can be left to defend themselves in isolation on the matter while SEGA has essentially bought themselves out of the hassle. Clearly they do not want to stand beside GBX since it seems like they were screwed too.
I hope the plaintiff goes all the way and the court finds GBX liable for misleading the public.
Poor GBX, liddle diddums.
After 6 years and $60,000,000+ from the publisher it still was not enough to get the game looking like AAA instead of a budget title? ...and you claim you put EVEN more of your own money into it to get it releasd?
Something wrong right there.
Oh, by the way... How's that new $60,000,000 office building coming along for you?
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/19/gearbox-to-move-hq-to-new-61-million-building-in-frisco-tx/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/19/gearbox-to-move-hq-to-new-61-million-building-in-frisco-tx/)
I think this was simply the best option for Sega from a financial standpoint. if they hadn't done this, then it would be a risk that they would have to pay more down the line. It also shakes Gearbox off of them. $1.25M is something Sega can easily make back, anyway.
I think they got off... rather lightly.
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 13, 2014, 01:44:06 AM
Poor GBX, liddle diddums.
After 6 years and $60,000,000+ from the publisher it still was not enough to get the game looking like AAA instead of a budget title? ...and you claim you put EVEN more of your own money into it to get it releasd?
Something wrong right there.
Oh, by the way... How's that new $60,000,000 office building coming along for you?
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/19/gearbox-to-move-hq-to-new-61-million-building-in-frisco-tx/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/19/gearbox-to-move-hq-to-new-61-million-building-in-frisco-tx/)
Not like they own that building. Or even appear to have moved in.
Long bow is long.
Didn't say they owned it. Regardless, I have no sympathy for GBX.
Sega should return the favor and sue GBX in turn. It's just too bad they DID fulfill their contractual obligations to the publisher to cover their butts and get the game plus 4 DLC items out the door.
Mind you, Sega should still seek accountability as to where that money went.
$60,000,000 is a Hell of a lot of money considering how the end product turned out.
QuoteDidn't say they owned it.
There's enough legit things to complain about with Gearbox without insinuating rubbish.
Best news I heard all week. I am happy I kept my copy, because I am going to reclaim some money. I don't care if its a dollar or the entire 59.99.
Since most people traded the game away, I can see myself getting a lot more than a couple bucks.
Thank you, SEGA. Thank you for taking some blame. Now, sue Gearbox.
Gearbox is in serious need of a lawsuit suppository! >:(
Quote from: acrediblesource on Aug 12, 2014, 10:10:17 PM
WoW, We will never likely get a real technical specification as to what the hell is going on REALLY but this is how I see:
Sega opted to use an advanced version of unreal Engine 3 ( considering the neat illumination and water effects in the demo look just like the ones on Arkham Knight), then told Gearbox to get on it
with a surprise twist : Wii U.
Hense the Wii U cancellation and the outrageously low quality engine we got which was probably done on purpose to test on Wii U.
I like to think this as the logic behind the lawsuit since the reports are downright stupid allegations that don't add up to an actual reason.
The reports are beginning to sound like some douch bag costumer is suing over an unintended use of bump maps and solar flares effects in the game.
Maybe we're secretly playing the Wii-U build of the game? xD
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 12, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
I can't help but feel a little sorry for Sega. They must have poured millions into ACM and it's ended up costing them much more in the end. And Gearbox still haven't had their comeuppance.
Makes me think they're just going to get rid of the license once AI is all done with (think this is their last game on the license?). They've had nothing but trouble with Alien games.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2014, 07:08:17 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 12, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
I can't help but feel a little sorry for Sega. They must have poured millions into ACM and it's ended up costing them much more in the end. And Gearbox still haven't had their comeuppance.
Makes me think they're just going to get rid of the license once AI is all done with (think this is their last game on the license?). They've had nothing but trouble with Alien games.
Doesnt their contract end this year or next?
So if one files a claim for some kind of refund, does that customer have to relinquish his/her copy of the game?
I bought the $100 Collector Edition on day one. I was disappointed with some issues, namely graphics, but I actually liked the game, to a certain extent.
I do feel a bit betrayed by the 'false advertising', and would like some kind of reimbursement.
However, I'm gonna keep my game (especially the sweet statue)!
Sega/Gearbox should have made the DLC FREE to those who bought the game new.
Perhaps, if I get some $$$ from this lawsuit, I'll send some of it back Sega's way by DL'n that campaign DLC.
At the very least, I already Pre-ordered Alien Isolation, so...
Good question. I can't really imagine them asking you to send the game back to them.
Some interesting things I read in the documents: There was a total of 135,000 people who pre-ordered/ordered day one in the United States. If every single one of those people filed a claim, you'd only get around $5. But it also says that claims rarely exceed 7% so if 7% of the 135K filed a claim, you'd get at most $77 refund.
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 13, 2014, 07:27:29 PM
Good question. I can't really imagine them asking you to send the game back to them.
Some interesting things I read in the documents: There was a total of 135,000 people who pre-ordered/ordered day one in the United States. If every single one of those people filed a claim, you'd only get around $5. But it also says that claims rarely exceed 7% so if 7% of the 135K filed a claim, you'd get at most $77 refund.
I have my game and box still, no receipt. Curious as to how I can prove I bought the game.
I expect many to have gotten rid of their games already. I plan on getting nearly a full refund and buying Isolation with it.
QuoteMakes me think they're just going to get rid of the license once AI is all done with (think this is their last game on the license?). They've had nothing but trouble with Alien games.
Makes you wonder if they get their priorities straight. AvP'10 was pushed out the door rather quick to make up for the ACM delay as I saw it, which makes it all the more shameful ACM was such a bummer.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2014, 07:08:17 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 12, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
I can't help but feel a little sorry for Sega. They must have poured millions into ACM and it's ended up costing them much more in the end. And Gearbox still haven't had their comeuppance.
Makes me think they're just going to get rid of the license once AI is all done with (think this is their last game on the license?). They've had nothing but trouble with Alien games.
Infestation was good.
sega sucks they ruin games for a quick buck, mostly
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 15, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2014, 07:08:17 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 12, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
I can't help but feel a little sorry for Sega. They must have poured millions into ACM and it's ended up costing them much more in the end. And Gearbox still haven't had their comeuppance.
Makes me think they're just going to get rid of the license once AI is all done with (think this is their last game on the license?). They've had nothing but trouble with Alien games.
Infestation was good.
True enough. Probably the best Alien game of recent years. Still kind of messed about - narratively - by ACM.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 15, 2014, 10:46:21 AM
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 15, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2014, 07:08:17 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 12, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
I can't help but feel a little sorry for Sega. They must have poured millions into ACM and it's ended up costing them much more in the end. And Gearbox still haven't had their comeuppance.
Makes me think they're just going to get rid of the license once AI is all done with (think this is their last game on the license?). They've had nothing but trouble with Alien games.
Infestation was good.
True enough. Probably the best Alien game of recent years. Still kind of messed about - narratively - by ACM.
There was more fan service in the character bios than in the entirety of ACM.
So will we be getting our money back? I spent $100+ dollars on the game and id like to have it back. I have both my preorder and purchase receipt. So if they need me to show it, I got em right here.
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 16, 2014, 04:18:49 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 15, 2014, 10:46:21 AM
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 15, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2014, 07:08:17 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 12, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
I can't help but feel a little sorry for Sega. They must have poured millions into ACM and it's ended up costing them much more in the end. And Gearbox still haven't had their comeuppance.
Makes me think they're just going to get rid of the license once AI is all done with (think this is their last game on the license?). They've had nothing but trouble with Alien games.
Infestation was good.
True enough. Probably the best Alien game of recent years. Still kind of messed about - narratively - by ACM.
There was more fan service in the character bios than in the entirety of ACM.
No, the E3 trailer for ACM where the marine answers with how many fingers can he see by sticking up his middle finger had more character then the entire story of A:CM
Quote from: underbound on Aug 16, 2014, 05:51:02 AM
So will we be getting our money back? I spent $100+ dollars on the game and id like to have it back. I have both my preorder and purchase receipt. So if they need me to show it, I got em right here.
Depends on how many submit claims. I would think if you have the box to the game, they can trace the sale of it with the barcode? Either way, I don't think you need a receipt to get your refund.
I feel since most sold the game back then the odds of us getting a solid amount are fairly good. I hope I can get 40 or so and use that to buy Alien: Isolation.
Yeah, I just went on a shredding rampage two weeks ago, guess what was included. I hope the box is enough.
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 16, 2014, 04:18:49 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 15, 2014, 10:46:21 AM
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 15, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2014, 07:08:17 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 12, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
I can't help but feel a little sorry for Sega. They must have poured millions into ACM and it's ended up costing them much more in the end. And Gearbox still haven't had their comeuppance.
Makes me think they're just going to get rid of the license once AI is all done with (think this is their last game on the license?). They've had nothing but trouble with Alien games.
Infestation was good.
True enough. Probably the best Alien game of recent years. Still kind of messed about - narratively - by ACM.
There was more fan service in the character bios than in the entirety of ACM.
They couldn't even get the character bios for Hicks right lol.
Quote from: Vers on Aug 21, 2014, 09:40:49 PM
Yeah, I just went on a shredding rampage two weeks ago, guess what was included. I hope the box is enough.
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 16, 2014, 04:18:49 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 15, 2014, 10:46:21 AM
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 15, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2014, 07:08:17 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Aug 12, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
I can't help but feel a little sorry for Sega. They must have poured millions into ACM and it's ended up costing them much more in the end. And Gearbox still haven't had their comeuppance.
Makes me think they're just going to get rid of the license once AI is all done with (think this is their last game on the license?). They've had nothing but trouble with Alien games.
Infestation was good.
True enough. Probably the best Alien game of recent years. Still kind of messed about - narratively - by ACM.
There was more fan service in the character bios than in the entirety of ACM.
They couldn't even get the character bios for Hicks right lol.
I can't imagine that you need a receipt. Who would keep one for that long? There has to be another way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZuUQy_T2I4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZuUQy_T2I4#ws)
Shut the F*** UP Pitchford >:(
Glad it went to court, hopefully this will not be the end of this.Pity we will never get a follow up to continue the story of Hicks....
Just follow me on Twitter.
Quote from: John Stevens on Sep 02, 2014, 01:50:21 PM
Glad it went to court, hopefully this will not be the end of this.Pity we will never get a follow up to continue the story of Hicks....
What story? He died on Fury-161. I know its sad, its my fav char from Aliens but it is what it is.
Pritchford looks exactly like my team leader when I was in Ethiopia.
He has that same look of confidence that belies his internal cluelessness.
This makes me dislike him even more.
QuoteAn enclosed proposition document noted that Pitchford is a "respected development celebrity and is guaranteed to be headline material in worldwide press coverage."
The motion goes on to say that the E3 2011 demo, which many point to as the crux of the misleading advertising, was created entirely by Gearbox.
Following the presentation, Gearbox officials told Sega officials that the demo was the bar the game should be held to, according to an internal email.
"During one of my conversations with Gearbox today I verified that the E3 Demo is indeed the bar that we should use to determine where the entire game will be," Matt Powers, senior producer at Sega of America, wrote to a handful of other Sega employees. "That is Gearbox's plan and what they believe in. I just wanted to double-check with them and since I did I figured I would pass that along to you."
http://www.polygon.com/2014/9/3/6102035/sega-gearbox-lawsuit-aliens-colonial-marines (http://www.polygon.com/2014/9/3/6102035/sega-gearbox-lawsuit-aliens-colonial-marines)
goddamnit gearbox
this is becoming my favorite SHOW, im eagerly hoping for the next EPISODE
....really, this sega/gearbox relationship is like a soap-opera
Piece of shit Randy.
They are just trying to rightfully switch all the blame on GBX at this point. Developers sometimes do leak information to journalists or fans at events so it's not that rare or unprecedented. Just adds to Randy Pitchford's innate showmanship I guess.
And how can we possibly have known and not Sega that the E3 2011 demo was mostly outsourced and produced as a cinematic experience (and NOT part of the game). Also just a side note, Matt Powers is the person from Sega who said ACM was NOT outsourced right after the game was released and rumours started to spread.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/238563483/Sega-Gearbox-1 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/238563483/Sega-Gearbox-1)
How bout they just fix the freaking game already, its not to late for patches
Yeah it is.
Oh really? f**k off,you both failed in making this game. You're just getting pissed of SEGA,because you can't realize how much of a f**king failure and disappointment this game was. God help me if Isolation is bad then you need to stop making games
Quote from: Nightlord on Sep 03, 2014, 08:08:53 PM
http://www.polygon.com/2014/9/3/6102035/sega-gearbox-lawsuit-aliens-colonial-marines (http://www.polygon.com/2014/9/3/6102035/sega-gearbox-lawsuit-aliens-colonial-marines)
This is starting to smell.
QuoteGearbox Software studio head Randy Pitchford did "whatever the f**k he likes" when it came to the marketing and promotion of Aliens: Colonial Marines, according to documents filed this week in the class-action lawsuit claiming the game was falsely advertised at trade shows.
The Sept. 2 filing by Sega of America details the publisher's take on why Gearbox is just as culpable in the case as Sega. The company's attorney writes that despite Gearbox's claims that they weren't involved in marketing, Gearbox participated equally, sometimes overstepping bounds or keeping Sega in the dark about promotional decisions.
http://kotaku.com/the-legal-battle-over-aliens-colonial-marines-just-got-1630197749 (http://kotaku.com/the-legal-battle-over-aliens-colonial-marines-just-got-1630197749)
Has more documents.
Ah got mah popcorn for the next session already.
This sequel is gon b good.
*munch, munch, munch...*
You know what, good on Sega, they have put in a good faith agreement to get a lot of people their money back whilst it becomes more and more apparent it was Gearbox who was flat out lying about the game to fans and also to Sega itself.
I just hope Randy get dragged through the dirt for this, he really deserves it!
gearbox is a cancer
u people do realise it was SEGA that decided to delete the code, that ruined the game from its original form dont you... or are you so blinded by SEGA's BS as their sheep...
if Gearbox had been allowed to release the version they were making instead of the version SEGA had changed their minds in wanting for example "Call of Duty" with Xeno's which was clear that fans did not want another CoD game especially since they wanted something more true to what GBX was creating anyway...
it isn't the first time SEGA has done this sort of under handed bad business decision and it flipped up and slapped em in the face... AvP 2010! remember that... SEGA, they blamed Rebellion for that one too.... but no funny how those companies work great on games when SEGA dont get involved, sure they have had their own mistakes over the years but they more than make up for it...
So much for all the replies to me saying the lawsuit was dead..................
Quote from: Ace781 on Sep 04, 2014, 02:00:03 PM
u people do realise it was SEGA that decided to delete the code, that ruined the game from its original form dont you... or are you so blinded by SEGA's BS as their sheep...
if Gearbox had been allowed to release the version they were making instead of the version SEGA had changed their minds in wanting for example "Call of Duty" with Xeno's which was clear that fans did not want another CoD game especially since they wanted something more true to what GBX was creating anyway...
it isn't the first time SEGA has done this sort of under handed bad business decision and it flipped up and slapped em in the face... AvP 2010! remember that... SEGA, they blamed Rebellion for that one too.... but no funny how those companies work great on games when SEGA dont get involved, sure they have had their own mistakes over the years but they more than make up for it...
Randy, is that you?
it was a joke when I said it
but you guys are probably young enough you have no idea what getting foxed is anyhow.
Oh, what a tangled web we weave...
Who'd of thought that ACM would continue to be the shit stain on Sega's white shirt for this long. This is pretty hilarious.
Quote from: Razz on Sep 05, 2014, 05:24:58 AM
Who'd of thought that ACM would continue to be the shit stain on Sega's white shirt for this long. This is pretty hilarious.
I love it. I hope Gearbox burns now that SEGA is trying to drag them through the mud.
http://www.xboxachievements.com/news/news-19180-Randy-Pitchford-Did---%EF%BF%BDWhatever-the-f**k-He-Liked----During-Promotion-of-Aliens--Colonial-Marines--Says-SEGA.html (http://www.xboxachievements.com/news/news-19180-Randy-Pitchford-Did---%EF%BF%BDWhatever-the-f**k-He-Liked----During-Promotion-of-Aliens--Colonial-Marines--Says-SEGA.html)
:laugh:
i then purchased and played the game. is there a check coming in the mail for 60$ or somethin? lol. the new alien isolation game looks good.
:P
QuoteSega didn't, however, address the claim that Gearbox "paid millions" of their own money into the game.
So why the f**k did it became such a shameless rip-off after all the proud and bold words from, I dunno, Gearbox rather than SEGA?
Get your act together, Randy.
Quoteu people do realise it was SEGA that decided to delete the code, that ruined the game from its original form dont you... or are you so blinded by SEGA's BS as their sheep...
if Gearbox had been allowed to release the version they were making instead of the version SEGA had changed their minds in wanting for example "Call of Duty" with Xeno's which was clear that fans did not want another CoD game especially since they wanted something more true to what GBX was creating anyway...
it isn't the first time SEGA has done this sort of under handed bad business decision and it flipped up and slapped em in the face... AvP 2010! remember that... SEGA, they blamed Rebellion for that one too.... but no funny how those companies work great on games when SEGA dont get involved, sure they have had their own mistakes over the years but they more than make up for it...
You realise AvP '10 was pushed out the door premature to make up for ACM's new delay late 2009? It's called distraction. AvP '10 looked reasonable but played like a 90's shooter (and not the good way of that either).
Now, SEGA is only to blame for not keeping a short leash on both, both companies (Rebellion and Gearbox) are to blame for putting out mediocre games with all the attention gone to the obviously wrong components of the game.
But Gearbox... After all the proud words and bold statements they used the money to spark up Borderlands (another midway-overhaul BTW, ring a bell?) and let other companies fix the game for them without any central management or direction, which is something I hold them responsible for, not SEGA.
Gearbox won't see another dime from me. Rebellion close second. After AvP'99 they released another game that barely passed as tech-demo.
AvP 2010 wasn't that bad. Granted it wasn't everything I had hoped for but it did have it's moments.
I agree that Alien Isolaion could be the AAA we have been waiting for, although I do have some concerns and am trying to keep my expectations in check.
Quote from: Xenoscream on Sep 09, 2014, 09:36:22 AM
I agree that Alien Isolaion could be the AAA we have been waiting for
This highly depends. Some people want more AvP gameplay or true Colonial Marines experience. Not everybody is begging for another Amnesia clone.
Quote from: WinterActual on Sep 09, 2014, 10:04:04 AM
Quote from: Xenoscream on Sep 09, 2014, 09:36:22 AM
I agree that Alien Isolaion could be the AAA we have been waiting for
This highly depends. Some people want more AvP gameplay or true Colonial Marines experience. Not everybody is begging for another Amnesia clone.
Fair point. Although I wouldn't really call it an Amnesia clone, it's already been established you have weapons, craftables, other enemies, NPCs. I still have to finish that game...
You have weapons but you still can't kill the xeno, just like in Amnesia you can't kill the monster (as far as I know, I never played the game).
So where can we file for this 'reimbursement', anywayz?
Quote from: Eldrik on Sep 29, 2014, 08:17:49 PM
So where can we file for this 'reimbursement', anywayz?
I don't think the case is closed yet. It will probably be some time before everything is said and done and we get our pennies back.
So where are we on this? Did Gearbox ever pay for screwing Sega (and us, Alien fans) over?
You kidding me? no fans or consumers will ever get paid back :laugh: I wish though.
I don't really care about being paid back, I just want Gearbox (or Randy Pitchford) dealt with for spending A:CM's entire budget on Borderlands 2. >:(
Still no news on the lawsuits, actually. Lawsuits like this could go on for years in America.
No matter how this ends, Shitbox will NEVER fix (or improve) the game so who cares about the lawsuit anymore.
Quote from: WinterActual on Mar 10, 2015, 02:16:30 PM
No matter how this ends, Shitbox will NEVER fix (or improve) the game so who cares about the lawsuit anymore.
I suppose it'd just be nice to see a company for knowingly putting a shit product out.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 04:37:47 PM
I don't really care about being paid back, I just want Gearbox (or Randy Pitchford) dealt with for spending A:CM's entire budget on Borderlands 2. >:(
Quoted for truth!
Update on the lawsuit: http://www.polygon.com/2015/5/28/8683827/aliens-colonial-marines-lawsuit-loses-class-status-gearbox-dropped
It's no longer a class action suit and Gearbox have been dropped from it. Gamers won't be getting any refunds now.
Quote from: Darkness on May 30, 2015, 10:26:37 AM
Update on the lawsuit: http://www.polygon.com/2015/5/28/8683827/aliens-colonial-marines-lawsuit-loses-class-status-gearbox-dropped
It's no longer a class action suit and Gearbox have been dropped from it. Gamers won't be getting any refunds now.
A true true shame.......
gbx and pitchfork should be dragged through the mud for what they did to ACM. F-ing scumbags. I still never plan on buying a gbx game ever.
"IT'S RANDY DOING WHATEVER THE f**k HE LIKES."
Quote from: Darkness on May 30, 2015, 10:26:37 AM
Update on the lawsuit: http://www.polygon.com/2015/5/28/8683827/aliens-colonial-marines-lawsuit-loses-class-status-gearbox-dropped
It's no longer a class action suit and Gearbox have been dropped from it. Gamers won't be getting any refunds now.
Damned shame. Shitbox is getting away with it afterall. That damned company.
As a fan of anything I never truly felt betrayed until A:CM was revealed to be what it was. And it is even worse when so many of us defended it and promoted it and stuck by it ever since 2006. As much as I liked Borderlands it will be the only other and LAST Gearbox game I've payed for. Keyword pay.
....... would really like to know how they weaseld there way out of it. A little note to everyone involved in this travisty of a game, your all responsible for this dissaster. Stop pointing fingers at everyone else but yourselves and show some ba**s, and except your part of the responsiblilty.......
I promise I´ll never buy something from SH&TBOX NEVER AGAIN!
Quote from: Thomas on May 31, 2015, 02:27:54 PM
....... would really like to know how they weaseld there way out of it. A little note to everyone involved in this travisty of a game, your all responsible for this dissaster. Stop pointing fingers at everyone else but yourselves and show some ba**s, and except your part of the responsiblilty.......
Because Gearbox didn't do anything technically wrong, aside from some shady practices and being slimy/deceptive. I'm not defending them, I think it's really crappy, but some people I know who complained about this same practice went right ahead and bought boarderlands the pre-sequel. They also went on to pre-order some useless content for mediocre games that they could've waited til were on sale.
If gamers want things to change, then they should stop pre-ordering shit and paying for DLC. Period. The Law is not there to save you from being hoodwinked about the quality of a game. Only you can do that as a consumer. You have
no justification for complaining if you buy into the pre-order culture in general. Yeah, dropping that bomb.
Quote from: Adam802 on May 30, 2015, 12:41:39 PM
I still never plan on buying a gbx game ever.
Homeworld Remastered is really worth a buy though. Its amazingly well done.
Quote from: Thomas on May 31, 2015, 02:27:54 PM
....... would really like to know how they weaseld there way out of it. A little note to everyone involved in this travisty of a game, your all responsible for this dissaster. Stop pointing fingers at everyone else but yourselves and show some ba**s, and except your part of the responsiblilty.......
The employees at Gearbox are actually as much a victim as we are, many of the people who worked on the game at "shitbox" were fired or laid off because of the company's work strategy and that's why Gearbox had to bring in 3rd party game developers to fix the title; many of these ex-employees are the ones who helped reveal the truth about this
conspiracy to the public. Ultimately, it's the heads of the company who are at fault and Randy Pitchford is at the top of that food chain.
It sucks gearbox is getting off the hook for this... But yea, we should have known better! Gearbox has a good track record for IPs and franchises THEY own (borderlands for example), but a terrible track record for any series they do NOT own... Halo pc had mixed reviews and definitely not the best port; and "duke nukem forever" was apparently just as bad as A:CM.
My lesson learned here is to start paying more attention to the developer and publisher for a game, and put less stock in the initial trailers.
I didn't realistically expect anything to come of this anyway. But it is disappointing to know they got away with the shady practices. I haven't brought a Gearbox game since ACM and I don't intend to either.
Corporal hicks- come to think about it, halo pc and ACM are the only gearbox titles I've ever bought. I'm right there with you though... I'll never pay for another gearbox title again, especially if Randy Pitchford is promoting it rampantly!
I wonder how big a hit the company will take from this, I guess it's safe to say their credibility as a third party game developer is now destroyed. I guess this means no company is ever going to them for help? This would mean their only source of revenue will be their own privately owned franchises, like Borderlands.
I. Am. Stunned.
f**k Gearbox.
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 01, 2015, 11:47:02 PM
I wonder how big a hit the company will take from this, I guess it's safe to say their credibility as a third party game developer is now destroyed. I guess this means no company is ever going to them for help? This would mean their only source of revenue will be their own privately owned franchises, like Borderlands.
Pretty sure they've done the remake of Homeworld or something like that.
someone must answer for this fucxery. fuxery of the multiplayer and any future of it. They should forced to release code so players can add predators in a FREE DLC release to any players. And the game should be free for an entire year. We are all victims of liars or some lazy @ss devs. Victims who can wait 300 years in hypersleep in the ACM multiplayer lobby and never see a match. WHY? because you fools lied about what the peoples game would REALLY look like on release. If they would have advertise the ugly ass release version in the E3 demos people would have cut that shit off. You would have to PAY US to PRELOAD that bullsh$t :- :- :-
better yet just make ACM Free to Play and we will call it even ::)
I'd call it even if gearbox went bankrupt. Free to play doesn't give me my money back, and it doesn't give me the single player campaign I was promised...
True they did lie hard about single player campaign. Where is the guy with the middle finger?
Ripley:Hes being cocooned just like all the people who paid 90 bucks for ACM with Season Pass. True fuccery at its finest :P
I am broke right now was the price really 90? for the game and season pass preorder??!!! Did I really give them sonbish 90 mackaroos?!! I would like that back or at least 80 percent of seeing as Multiplayer is dead. But who knows? was it 90? I dont believe I did that or had it did to me
I believe it was:
$60 standard edition
$100 collectors edition
$30 season pass
$15 bug hunt pack (w/o season pass)
$10 reconissance pack (w/o season pass)
$10 movie pack (w/o season pass)
$10 stasis interrupted pack (w/o season pass)
$5 collectors edition DLC bonuses
$5 pre-order DLC bonuses
$1 for monster energy drink customization
$1 sawed off shotgun
$1 (some other weapon I can't recall, SHARP sticks, maybe??)
So I spent $132 on the game, then.
If you bought everything for as cheaply as possible, it would have been $133...
The monster energy drink customization kit I got for free cause their Facebook page was giving out free codes.
Lucky you! Lol, jk
Quote from: Engineer on Jun 01, 2015, 04:12:31 AM
It sucks gearbox is getting off the hook for this... But yea, we should have known better! Gearbox has a good track record for IPs and franchises THEY own (borderlands for example), but a terrible track record for any series they do NOT own... Halo pc had mixed reviews and definitely not the best port; and "duke nukem forever" was apparently just as bad as A:CM.
My lesson learned here is to start paying more attention to the developer and publisher for a game, and put less stock in the initial trailers.
Only game from Shitbox before A:CM was Borderlands (which I just couldn't get into). Bought A:CM and never bought another title from their lying asses again, even Homeworld: Remastered. Unfortunately, this will now all be swept under the rug. Gamers are too forgiving of a culture. We are less consumers and more overwilling patrons. Anything for the next game. They can implement something that explodes people's comps and they'd have a horde of defenders. All for the next Borederlands.
f**k Shitbox.
What do you mean before ACM gearbox's only other game was borderlands? They also had duke nukem forever and halo pc. Not exactly original series, but poor quality nonetheless...
I'm not going to go overboard with my reaction to this unfortunate news. However, I will state that Gearbox will never get another cent from me again. It's rather unfortunate, because there are some talented people who work there. Maybe if a change of leadership happens, I'll consider but until then... I'm done with Gearbox.
Quote from: Engineer on Jun 03, 2015, 07:03:53 PMI believe it was:
$60 standard edition
$100 collectors edition
$30 season pass
$15 bug hunt pack (w/o season pass)
$10 reconissance pack (w/o season pass)
$10 movie pack (w/o season pass)
$10 stasis interrupted pack (w/o season pass)
$5 collectors edition DLC bonuses
$5 pre-order DLC bonuses
$1 for monster energy drink customization
$1 sawed off shotgun
$1 (some other weapon I can't recall, SHARP sticks, maybe??)
The only thing I can be happy about money-wise with this is that, thanks to Amazon.co.uk screwing up, I got the Collector's Edition for just £30. The little Power Loader statue that came with it is leagues better than anything else in the game.
Huh... I had a screw up on mine that sort of worked to my benefit too. I was given 2 different codes for the pre order bonus dlc content. I gave the second code to my brother, who waited and picked up the game for <$5 used.
I wonder how many other people had similar occurrences...
Quote from: Engineer on Jun 06, 2015, 01:20:37 AM
What do you mean before ACM gearbox's only other game was borderlands? They also had duke nukem forever and halo pc. Not exactly original series, but poor quality nonetheless...
The fact that I forgot that Shitbox presided over those games should say much, no? I should have seen the signs with DNF.
how can gearbox be dropped from the lawsuit they are the ones that messed the game up they ruined it.it was a game I had very high hopes for after avp but gearbox didn't even have a clue what they were doing from the sounds of things didn't they get another dev to work on it because they were busy with borderlands 2 if that is the case why didn't sega take they game back and find a developer that could do the job even rebellion could have done a better job as avp 2010 was miles better the only thing gearbox got right was the sound of the pulse rifle.i will never buy another game from gearbox again it was my first and will be my last