Weston Osche has this coming in June 2022.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1789098440/ref=sr_1_15?keywords=titan+books&qid=1634423431&s=books&sr=1-15
When the Predators choose LV-363 for a hunt and seed it with Xenomorph eggs, the result is bizarre alien hybrids and humans trapped between the Predators and their prey.
The planet LV-363 teems with exotic life, including a plant growing in the shadows of its deep rifts. The plant's flower yields a valuable narcotic, and people are forced by the cartels to harvest it. When a Yautja (Predator) ship arrives for a hunting ritual, the Predators seed the rifts with Xenomorph eggs. The aliens emerge and the result is bizarre and deadly hybrids, with humans trapped between the Predators and their prey. These deadly Xenomorph hybrids—some of which possess the ability to fly—swarm out of control and may prove more than either the Yautja or the humans can defeat.
- They fly now ?
- They fly now!
......ffs....
...I just want Aliens fighting Predators is that too much to ask?
Yes apparently, we must have dumb shit attached, every single f**king time.
And with the mediocrity of Infiltrator, this' one to look forward to.
No Ripleys? Might check it out.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 16, 2021, 11:23:39 PM
...I just want Aliens fighting Predators is that too much to ask?
Quote from: Trash Queen on Oct 16, 2021, 11:44:44 PM
Yes apparently, we must have dumb shit attached, every single f**king time.
This this and so much this! Ffs
HAHAHA if they are gonna pull something like that then make it on a game so we have more alien variants to kill than on a novel.
Damn another AVP novel! Wow I guess AVP is back en Vogue over at Titan. Looking forward to it!
Oh dear.
So, now we're getting Alien: Colony WAR and AvP: Rift WAR ? So much WAR around
Not to mention we alredy had AvP Rage WAR trilogy
And Aliens: Earth/Female WAR. Aaaaand AvP: Three World WAR. And just AvP: WAR.
Is there any WAR I missed ?
Weird that we have a release date for this novel but don't have a date for AVP: Annihilation which was teased in the Gibson novelization.
Alien hybrids? Well thats a switch. At least we get a new AvP book.
New "Aliens vs. Predators: Rift War" Novel is Coming June 2022
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/10/17/new-aliens-vs-predators-rift-war-novel-is-coming-june-2022/
Sounds interesting to me, and it's good to see AvP getting a bit more media.
Personally don't have a problem with flying Aliens, there's precedent for them such as DNA War, well flying facehuggers anyway. Also liked how they looked in the arcade games:
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/alienspredatoraliens-versus-predator/images/9/9b/Flying_xeno2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180724000348&path-prefix=hu)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KAHC2I3aVR8/maxresdefault.jpg)
Flying Aliens aren't new, but I actually like Aliens and kind of don't need them to get super powers to remain interesting every other book, y'know?
EDIT
That said the EU is the place for this and I'm just getting a grumpy bitch :laugh:
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 17, 2021, 03:48:28 PM
So, now we're getting Alien: Colony WAR and AvP: Rift WAR ? So much WAR around
Not to mention we alredy had AvP Rage WAR trilogy
And Aliens: Earth/Female WAR. Aaaaand AvP: Three World WAR. And just AvP: WAR.
Is there any WAR I missed ?
Quote from: RidgeTop on Oct 17, 2021, 09:35:46 PM
DNA War
That's the
WAR I've missed :D
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 17, 2021, 10:24:31 PM
That's the WAR I've missed :D
Haha, didn't even realize I helped ya out there, so much war!
Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2021, 09:43:13 PM
Flying Aliens aren't new, but I actually like Aliens and kind of don't need them to get super powers to remain interesting every other book, y'know?
EDIT
That said the EU is the place for this and I'm just getting a grumpy bitch :laugh:
Yeah don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the whole "bigger, badder" trope, but with the Xenos I do enjoy seeing some DNA reflex in action.
If he can make it useful, like in Aliens Phalanx, I'm all for it. As with the so called "vert-a-voot"
But otherwise?
Not the biggest fan.
I can't wait for Phil "Deutsch" Shaeffer, Nick Harrigan, Steve Van Luen, Wayne Hicks and Oswoldo Ripley-McClaren to avenge their ancestors.
Sounds terribly generic, very disappointing. Maybe it will be written well but damm its sad that its just another run of the mill story of humans trapped in the middle of a ritual hunt again.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Oct 17, 2021, 04:07:30 PM
Weird that we have a release date for this novel but don't have a date for AVP: Annihilation which was teased in the Gibson novelization.
Spoiler
Don't hold your breath
Just updated the main post to include mention of Yvonne Navarro. Both Navarro and Ochse are writing this one. Not the first husband and wife team we've seen on an Alien novel. I'm curious to see how this one turns out - Music of the Spears is one of my favourite Alien novels. Also worth noting, Titan is sticking to Aliens vs. Predators again .
Yvonne's back?
f**king sold, Music of the Spears was one of my favourites.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Oct 17, 2021, 10:43:54 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 17, 2021, 10:24:31 PM
That's the WAR I've missed :D
Haha, didn't even realize I helped ya out there, so much war!
Quote from: SiL on Oct 17, 2021, 09:43:13 PM
Flying Aliens aren't new, but I actually like Aliens and kind of don't need them to get super powers to remain interesting every other book, y'know?
EDIT
That said the EU is the place for this and I'm just getting a grumpy bitch :laugh:
Yeah don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the whole "bigger, badder" trope, but with the Xenos I do enjoy seeing some DNA reflex in action.
It's kinda funny - we went so long without the DNA reflex being toyed with at all, to a f**king lot of it lately. Nothing wrong with it IMHO. Just depends on execution.
Also, this has a good chance of another Human-Predator team-up at the end.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 18, 2021, 05:33:06 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Oct 17, 2021, 04:07:30 PM
Weird that we have a release date for this novel but don't have a date for AVP: Annihilation which was teased in the Gibson novelization.
Spoiler
Don't hold your breath
Just updated the main post to include mention of Yvonne Navarro. Both Navarro and Ochse are writing this one. Not the first husband and wife team we've seen on an Alien novel. I'm curious to see how this one turns out - Music of the Spears is one of my favourite Alien novels. Also worth noting, Titan is sticking to Aliens vs. Predators again .
Avp anhilatiohn was cancelled?
I can't say anything else.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 18, 2021, 05:33:06 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Oct 17, 2021, 04:07:30 PM
Weird that we have a release date for this novel but don't have a date for AVP: Annihilation which was teased in the Gibson novelization.
Spoiler
Don't hold your breath
Just updated the main post to include mention of Yvonne Navarro. Both Navarro and Ochse are writing this one. Not the first husband and wife team we've seen on an Alien novel. I'm curious to see how this one turns out - Music of the Spears is one of my favourite Alien novels. Also worth noting, Titan is sticking to Aliens vs. Predators again .
Wait what??? Did our collective trepidation for a Shirley AVP novel give Titan pause? I need answers lol
Must be canceled :laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Oct 18, 2021, 05:35:21 AM
Yvonne's back?
f**king sold, Music of the Spears was one of my favourites.
seconded
Quote from: Trash Queen on Oct 16, 2021, 11:44:44 PM
Yes apparently, we must have dumb shit attached, every single f**king time.
And with the mediocrity of Infiltrator, this' one to look forward to.
One half of this author team is the guy who wrote the exceedingly slow paced and blandly boilerplate Aliens: Infiltrator, and the other half is his wife, the one who wrote that absurdly stupid short story in the Bug Hunt anthology about Hicks' previously-unmentioned wife who died to the Aliens, but Hicks never mentioned anything about her or knowing of the existence of hostile, dangerous Aliens that slaughtered his entire previous squad, and instead seemed thoroughly unimpressed by the idea of another "bug hunt."
Might as well accept this is going to be a dumpster fire.
As far as flying Aliens, inherently not a terrible idea, but they're probably going to fly via Tyranid Magic, rather than physics. Every flying species we've ever known, going back to the dinosaurs, had tremendous wingspan to body mass ratios. A flying Alien would theoretically have to be pretty small with giant wings, and wouldn't have a very thick carapace. To be able to also to do any heavy lifting like carrying off the weight of a full sized man? It would be gigantic. the pteranodon with its 6m wingspan is estimated to not weigh more than 60 to 70 pounds.
A cool *idea*, but depends how much science you like in your science fiction.
I loved the rage war trilogy. I hope this one lives up to the that? I like the idea of the DNA reflex being toyed with. To be fair the story its seems like it's pretty generic. How many AVP novels have the same trope. Ritual hunt + aliens + colonists. = AVP. What I absolutely loved about Tim Lebbon's rage war trilogy it's scope. It expanded across the whole galaxy with focus on characters on spaceships, space stations and planets. I feel like going back to a colony is a step backwards.
True to my luck the paperback Omni that has the Music of the Spears novelisation is out of print. I'll have to check out the comic book version on the Vol 2 omnibus.
Quote from: VeteranSergeant on Oct 18, 2021, 08:43:44 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Oct 16, 2021, 11:44:44 PM
Yes apparently, we must have dumb shit attached, every single f**king time.
And with the mediocrity of Infiltrator, this' one to look forward to.
One half of this author team is the guy who wrote the exceedingly slow paced and blandly boilerplate Aliens: Infiltrator, and the other half is his wife, the one who wrote that absurdly stupid short story in the Bug Hunt anthology about Hicks' previously-unmentioned wife who died to the Aliens, but Hicks never mentioned anything about her or knowing of the existence of hostile, dangerous Aliens that slaughtered his entire previous squad, and instead seemed thoroughly unimpressed by the idea of another "bug hunt."
Might as well accept this is going to be a dumpster fire.
As much as I dislike the mentioned stories above, they did write other entries - Weston wrote a great short in If It Bleeds and Yvonne's Music of the Spears is one of my top 5 Alien novels. She's also writing a short in the AvP anthology so we'll see that one soon too.
Quote from: GreybackElder on Oct 18, 2021, 10:15:45 PM
I loved the rage war trilogy. ... What I absolutely loved about Tim Lebbon's rage war trilogy it's scope. It expanded across the whole galaxy with focus on characters on spaceships, space stations and planets.
(https://c.tenor.com/FyFr6eyrCaYAAAAM/i-love-you.gif)
Quote from: VeteranSergeant on Oct 18, 2021, 08:43:44 PM
As far as flying Aliens, inherently not a terrible idea, but they're probably going to fly via Tyranid Magic, rather than physics. Every flying species we've ever known, going back to the dinosaurs, had tremendous wingspan to body mass ratios. A flying Alien would theoretically have to be pretty small with giant wings, and wouldn't have a very thick carapace. To be able to also to do any heavy lifting like carrying off the weight of a full sized man? It would be gigantic. the pteranodon with its 6m wingspan is estimated to not weigh more than 60 to 70 pounds.
Keep in mind that being comparatively small/light doesn't prevent being hyper-dangerous. Haast's Eagle, which weighed about 15kg and had a 3m wingspan, was "able to kill adult moa weighing up to 230 kilograms". There's a lot of scope to make it work.
But you're probably right in regards to how it'll be handwaved.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 19, 2021, 07:29:59 AMAs much as I dislike the mentioned stories above, they did write other entries - Weston wrote a great short in If It Bleeds and Yvonne's Music of the Spears is one of my top 5 Alien novels. She's also writing a short in the AvP anthology so we'll see that one soon too.
Maybe, but she didn't actually write the story for Music of the Spears, she adapted and wrote the novelization it. The story for Music of the Spears was written by Chet Williamson, so all the conceptual heavy lifting was done by him.
My only hope is that she didn't originally write that short in Bug Hunt with Hicks as the central character, and that was an editorial change down the line, which is a possibility. There seems to have been a lot of shoehorning in that anthology to get characters from the film in there. And I mean, the Dan Abnett story is 100% an unused Imperial Guard story he had lying around, with all the 40K elements taken out and replaced with Colonial Marines references, lol.
Though either way, Reclamation is not really a very good story. But, in fairness, military fiction might be out of her wheelhouse and she writes better characters and stories in other frameworks.
Quote from: VeteranSergeant on Oct 19, 2021, 08:26:06 PM
Maybe, but she didn't actually write the story for Music of the Spears, she adapted and wrote the novelization it. The story for Music of the Spears was written by Chet Williamson, so all the conceptual heavy lifting was done by him.
This
The novelisation was still well written and fleshed out in interesting and creative ways. It's a bit disingenuous to dismiss the quality of the piece because somebody else wrote the foundation.
Quote from: VeteranSergeant on Oct 19, 2021, 08:26:06 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 19, 2021, 07:29:59 AMAs much as I dislike the mentioned stories above, they did write other entries - Weston wrote a great short in If It Bleeds and Yvonne's Music of the Spears is one of my top 5 Alien novels. She's also writing a short in the AvP anthology so we'll see that one soon too.
Maybe, but she didn't actually write the story for Music of the Spears, she adapted and wrote the novelization it. The story for Music of the Spears was written by Chet Williamson, so all the conceptual heavy lifting was done by him.
F*****g Chet.(https://imgur.com/a/USgd7rj)
Do you mean the writer or the fugly Predalien?
Quote from: SiL on Oct 19, 2021, 10:42:32 PM
The novelisation was still well written and fleshed out in interesting and creative ways. It's a bit disingenuous to dismiss the quality of the piece because somebody else wrote the foundation.
Indeed. They don't just write out the comics - they expand on it. There's more going off than just describing the events of the panels and re-writing the dialogue. I disliked Reclamation myself - largely because of how highly I held Music - but it being adaptation takes nothing away from her.
I'm just hoping for the best and excited we're getting some more AvP media!
AvP stuff is good while the Predator content is on a bit of a pause.
Learn the way of the RPG and the stories will never end.
That's just fan fiction with extra steps!
Not quite, fan-fic is something that (generally) the creator expects other people to give attention to. A one shot with the lads and plenty of beer is a great adventure but is never thrust upon the community at large.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 20, 2021, 07:50:43 AM
Do you mean the writer or the fugly Predalien?
You could take it either way, it was a reference to
The Nice Guys. I'd posted an image of Ryan Gosling to go with it, but I don't think I have enough clout to post images just yet lol.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 19, 2021, 10:42:32 PM
The novelisation was still well written and fleshed out in interesting and creative ways. It's a bit disingenuous to dismiss the quality of the piece because somebody else wrote the foundation.
You're misunderstanding me. The heavy lifting in a good novel is the concept: the plot and characters. The rest of it is just grunt work, pounding out the word count. Music of the Spears was a complete story already, where she was just filling in the gaps and describing in words that which had been told in pictures in the comic. Perhaps adding some expanding dialog. And it takes skill to write well, but it is an entirely different skill from coming up with a story idea and characters.
On the other hand, in theory, the short story in the Bug Hunt anthology was completely her idea, and it was a bad idea. You can't write a good novel on bad ideas.
So sure, maybe her novelization of Music of the Spears was great. I haven't read it since it came out. But that still wasn't her story. It was Chet Williamson's. Whatever this Rift War ends up as, it appears to be an original story by her and her husband, and will have to stand or fall on the merit of those ideas.
I can see you're not a writer.
I get your point but making a good adaption not as simple or easy as you make it sound. Certainly not "grunt work" and certainly requires more than just describing what was in the comic panels.
Quote from: VeteranSergeant on Oct 21, 2021, 05:56:16 PM
You're misunderstanding me. The heavy lifting in a good novel is the concept: the plot and characters. The rest of it is just grunt work, pounding out the word count.
That word count is what takes the concept to execution - it's not nothing, it's everything. There are plenty of stories with great concepts and just execrable handling that makes them unreadable.
On the flip side I've read plenty of stories where I disliked the concept but the writing was so good I didn't care.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Oct 21, 2021, 06:22:04 PM
I get your point but making a good adaption not as simple or easy as you make it sound.
One only needs to look at terrible adaptations of great source material to see there's a lot of skill and conceptual heavy lifting needed to adapt stories between mediums.
Quote from: Some Old Dude on Oct 21, 2021, 09:47:28 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 20, 2021, 07:50:43 AM
Do you mean the writer or the fugly Predalien?
You could take it either way, it was a reference to The Nice Guys. I'd posted an image of Ryan Gosling to go with it, but I don't think I have enough clout to post images just yet lol.
You can post images at any point, but if it's from a wiki site it will never show up.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 21, 2021, 07:48:39 PM
Quote from: VeteranSergeant on Oct 21, 2021, 05:56:16 PM
You're misunderstanding me. The heavy lifting in a good novel is the concept: the plot and characters. The rest of it is just grunt work, pounding out the word count.
That word count is what takes the concept to execution - it's not nothing, it's everything.
Well, that's not true, even in the slightest, when it comes to writing the novelization for a comic book.
The concept has already been executed. Music of the Spears was a finished story, all of it created by Chet Williamson.
There's a reason why there's no Hugo, or nor any other major literary awards for novelizations.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Oct 21, 2021, 06:22:04 PM
I can see you're not a writer.
I'm probably one of the only people here who has ever been paid to write and publish anything, lol. Literally had something published this week. That's neither here nor there, though it's embarrassing for you.
I'm not shitting on novelizations or the art of crafting them. You guys are welcome to quibble on and on about how hard it is to write the words. She still didn't create the story for Music of the Spears any more than Alan Dean Foster wrote the stories for the original Alien trilogy, or Star Wars, for that matter.
Quote from: VeteranSergeant on Oct 22, 2021, 09:53:40 PM
Well, that's not true, even in the slightest, when it comes to writing the novelization for a comic book.
The concept has already been executed.
As a comic, not a novel. It really doesn't matter whether the idea started as a dot outline or a comic or a movie or a screenplay, the novel itself still lives and dies by the strength of its ability to execute that story in its own medium. You can't just vaguely describe what's in the comic panels and slap "he said" or "she thought" after speech bubbles and call it a day.
QuoteThere's a reason why there's no Hugo, or nor any other major literary awards for novelizations.
Ah, award eligibility, the only true measure of an artwork's legitimacy :laugh:
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 21, 2021, 07:50:35 PM
You can post images at any point, but if it's from a wiki site it will never show up.
No I always make sure to upload images and post them via my imgur account. It's just me being a boomer.
Imgur's good when it actually loads.
Amazon says Yvonne Navarro is writing this as well.
Hm interesting.
(I said this pages ago) :P
Cover art is up!
https://bnccatalist.ca/ViewTitle.aspx?id=39349028
Bitching and moaning in 3,2,1
No I actually like that they're using the AvP promotional assets. As lazy photoshops go it's not awful.
Oh yeah, there have been faaaaaar worse photoshop jobs than that. At least the use of imagery is consistent here, rather than feeling arbitrarily slapped together like some of the other covers have.
Reverse psychology my ass
They could have applied a layer over the top to try and make the Alien and Predator both have the same colour tone though. But as the others have said - not the worse. Still poor.
Yeah not digging it... it could be worse sure, but god d*mn just pay an artist for some original art ffs.
This looks to have been pushed back to August 16th.
*sigh*
So many wonderful fledgling digital paint artists out there that surely can be hired at affordable pricing, hungry for just the Resume notch alone...
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 17, 2022, 02:40:57 PM
*sigh*
So many wonderful fledgling digital paint artists out there that surely can be hired at affordable pricing, hungry for just the Resume notch alone...
Why hire an artist when you have pictures and fonts from 2004? 😕
Oh wow I completely missed this news (and accompanying thread!). Glad to see Weston returning to this universe as I really enjoyed Infiltrator. Hopefully he'll continue that same tone in terms of his human characters as they were really interesting and well realized I thought.
The title and cover art are both horrendous obviously. :P
If there will be Fly Aliens!
I hope in Book will be Fly Alien Queen!
(i dont hope for Fly Alien King like in canceled AvP3 movie. because small chance!)
The Predator image on the cover is at least a bit unique
It's just Scar with some hands awkwardly photoshopped over the top.
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 16, 2021, 10:40:34 PM- They fly now ?
- They fly now!
- They fly now ????? Ah, shyte, common man....
I'm all excited! Opening page, Predator POV referring to things using human terminology. Drives me barmy!
I hope they don't go the painfully corny Steve Perry rout of describing the "Yautja".
I've not got further, but they are Yautja. Yautja are here to stay at this point.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 16, 2022, 03:36:27 PM<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's new book day! Aliens vs. Predators: Rift War hits the shelves today. Have you picked up a copy? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AliensvsPredatorsRiftWar?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AliensvsPredatorsRiftWar</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WestonOchse?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WestonOchse</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VyonneNavarro?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#VyonneNavarro</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AliensvsPredator?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AliensvsPredator</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AliensvsPredator?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AliensvsPredator</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Xenomorph?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Xenomorph</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/XenomorphXX121?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#XenomorphXX121</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Predator?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Predator</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Yautja?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Yautja</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TitanBooks?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TitanBooks</a> <a href="https://t.co/9aDMemycL3">pic.twitter.com/9aDMemycL3</a></p>— Alien vs. Predator Galaxy (@avpgalaxy) <a href="https://twitter.com/avpgalaxy/status/1559563661047468040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I'm all excited! Opening page, Predator POV referring to things using human terminology. Drives me barmy!
So the paperback release has been pushed back to Sep 6th but the audio book is available now so I just got the audiobook lol!
Ooofff. The prologue was a real struggle for me. I'm off to a real bad start here. I'll share details tomorrow but I've already had to put it down.
So to vent.
Spoiler
In the first sentence we have the Predators (Yautja) referring to the eggs as Ovomorphs. Then the Aliens as Xenomorphs. It frustrates me when we have the Predators using human terminology when they should be using terms like Serpents or Hard Meat/Kainde Amedha. It pulls me right out of a POV seeing that kind of thing.
The prologue sets up that the Predators relationship with the Aliens goes back before their written history. The Predators can't remember a time without the Aliens. Yet during all that time apparently the DNA reflex is a myth that has never been witnessed...really?
It also seems setup that the Predators that go around seeding worlds for the blooding rituals do so in secret. Which the next chapter from the Predator POV also seems to contradict.
It's already feeling like the authors just left the various Wiki's up and don't really understand the concepts they're playing with. If the books are going to stick with the Yautja, at least spend a day or two reading AvP: Prey.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 17, 2022, 09:16:28 AMSo to vent.
Spoiler
In the first sentence we have the Predators (Yautja) referring to the eggs as Ovomorphs. Then the Aliens as Xenomorphs. It frustrates me when we have the Predators using human terminology when they should be using terms like Serpents or Hard Meat/Kainde Amedha. It pulls me right out of a POV seeing that kind of thing.
The prologue sets up that the Predators relationship with the Aliens goes back before their written history. The Predators can't remember a time without the Aliens. Yet during all that time apparently the DNA reflex is a myth that has never been witnessed...really?
It also seems setup that the Predators that go around seeding worlds for the blooding rituals do so in secret. Which the next chapter from the Predator POV also seems to contradict.
It's already feeling like the authors just left the various Wiki's up and don't really understand the concepts they're playing with. If the books are going to stick with the Yautja, at least spend a day or two reading AvP: Prey.
Spoiler
I've been listening to it via audiobook and I'm enjoying it quite a bit. However, I'm with you in that it's weird and pretty annoying that the Predators are using words like 'xenomorph' and 'ovomorph' and all kinds of morphs.
I will say that I am fond of some of the characters, particularly some of the addicts, Shrapnel, Innid (I think is her name) and Fetch but I do wish there was more development because I'm an hour and a half away from finishing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 17, 2022, 09:16:28 AMSo to vent.
Spoiler
In the first sentence we have the Predators (Yautja) referring to the eggs as Ovomorphs. Then the Aliens as Xenomorphs. It frustrates me when we have the Predators using human terminology when they should be using terms like Serpents or Hard Meat/Kainde Amedha. It pulls me right out of a POV seeing that kind of thing.
The prologue sets up that the Predators relationship with the Aliens goes back before their written history. The Predators can't remember a time without the Aliens. Yet during all that time apparently the DNA reflex is a myth that has never been witnessed...really?
It also seems setup that the Predators that go around seeding worlds for the blooding rituals do so in secret. Which the next chapter from the Predator POV also seems to contradict.
It's already feeling like the authors just left the various Wiki's up and don't really understand the concepts they're playing with. If the books are going to stick with the Yautja, at least spend a day or two reading AvP: Prey.
Wow, that does not inspire me with confidence....
Spoiler
Calling them Ovomorphs and Xenomorphs is stupid, but I always hated the term Hard Meat and Kainde Amedha. Steve Perry really made them too primitive sounding IMO with those terms and the honor culture in his books. That's why I asked about the Yautja, I don't have a problem with the phrase, but the way that some of the books depict the Predators. I like them tribal in culture and aesthetics but not so primitive like in the first AVP book. The comic was miles ahead though.
But what about
Spoiler
flying Aliens ?
All this talk about terminology and I still don't know if people think the story is any good.
Sounds like the story is all over the place.
Finished it. Can definitely say it is indeed all over the place as perspectives often change between humans, Aliens and Predators.
I've never minded the Yautja culture, but I do feel there was just too much of that in the book.
As a story, it's pretty average, pretty much what you would expect from an AvP story.
Overall, I actually did have some fun with it. I do wish there was more to it and that the author actually took notes from everything else.
So I jumped back into it again today, managed to not be bothered by more use of Ovomorph and Xenomorph in Predator POV and then ran into them using terms like Langrange point and them using the same names for the other creatures that the humans did and I got pulled out of it yet again.
The Yautja are here to stay. I accept that. But let's actually put an effort into making them different, rather than just the random apostrophes in the names.
Im kind of out of the loop for Predator stuff, but is Yautja not a canon term for what the Predators are/are callled?
I totally understand being bothered by Preds using human terminology, but what is the problem with the term Yautja? Its not a term like Xenomorph, which I've never really liked. Just wondering where the problems lie.
Quote from: Wompdonkey on Aug 18, 2022, 08:43:06 PMIm kind of out of the loop for Predator stuff, but is Yautja not a canon term for what the Predators are/are callled?
I totally understand being bothered by Preds using human terminology, but what is the problem with the term Yautja? Its not a term like Xenomorph, which I've never really liked. Just wondering where the problems lie.
Yautja is what the Predators are canonically called in the EU but the name is actually kind of awful sounding and sometimes the culture falls into space samurai territory, to the point where it becomes unbearable. They were also called the Hish at some point in some presses.
The word xenomorph is just a generic term and applies to all aliens, not just the Alien. Could easily apply to the so called Yautjas as well.
The problem I do have with the term xenomorph is that some of these authors come across as thinking that the Aliens are actually called xenomorph which will annoy any alien fan.
Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Aug 19, 2022, 03:51:46 AMQuote from: Wompdonkey on Aug 18, 2022, 08:43:06 PMIm kind of out of the loop for Predator stuff, but is Yautja not a canon term for what the Predators are/are callled?
I totally understand being bothered by Preds using human terminology, but what is the problem with the term Yautja? Its not a term like Xenomorph, which I've never really liked. Just wondering where the problems lie.
Yautja is what the Predators are canonically called in the EU but the name is actually kind of awful sounding and sometimes the culture falls into space samurai territory, to the point where it becomes unbearable. They were also called the Hish at some point in some presses.
The word xenomorph is just a generic term and applies to all aliens, not just the Alien. Could easily apply to the so called Yautjas as well.
The problem I do have with the term xenomorph is that some of these authors come across as thinking that the Aliens are actually called xenomorph which will annoy any alien fan.
Gotcha, Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Also, Your last point about Xenomorph is why I don't like the term. Too many authors call the Alien xenomorphs as if thats the set in stone name for the creature.
Going to be different and say I like the names Xenomorph and Yautja.
But I do not like Yautja addressing the Aliens as Xenomorphs or using human naming conventions for anything for that matter.
I'm really struggling with this one, 6 chapters in. AvP by numbers at the moment.
How on earth do they come up with these names for the Predators?
They must add
Fly alien Queen
And
Fly alien king (from plot of AvP 3 movie)
In next book!
Finished listening to the audiobook and I found this story to be just okay. However this is the first time I've listened to an audiobook all the way through and it's not my favorite way to get through a book. My focus and imagination just work better when reading so I still look forward to reading this once the book releases on the 6th.
Overall the action was probably the highlight of the story as the characters were pretty forgettable.
A huge portion of the story is from the Pred's point of view and this is my main gripe. I hate when authors overly anthropomorphize the Predators, I'd much rather the authors describe what the Predators are doing and leave it up to the reader to interpret. It was just too much for me and brought down the enjoyment even though the Pred side story was still somewhat interesting.
As an AVP fan I'd still recommend giving it a read but keep your expectations tampered. 6/10
Finished my actual read through of the book. As suspected by reading instead of listening I was able to better focus and imagine the world presented much clearer. As I stated on my last review the action is top notch and well described and the Xenos were deadly. You're introduced to 12 Yautja so keeping track of who's who was nigh impossible while listening but easier with the book in my hand so I could flip back to the original descriptions of each character. I still have the same issues with overly humanized Predators but by having that foresight I was less jarred by their presentation this time around.
Spoiler
It seems when the Riftwings become Xenos they then have the ability to directly implant Plagerius Praepotens into tissue regardless of whether the host is living or not. I think this is a call back to egg barfing but with the updated terminology of P.P. and it explains the sheer number of Xenos seen in the story (although the Preds suspected it was egg morphing so that also may have contributed).
I'm on chapter 23 on the AVP Rift War audiobook and I must say that so far I really really enjoy it!
The humans are absolute garbage, in terms of just how unpleasant and cruel some of then are. Not garbage in terms of writing. They treat each other very badly.
The xenomorphs are formidable so far. It is interesting in how there is a like bit of scenes from their perspective. Nothing deep but it is interesting in how they learn and percieve the world and observe.
The Predators are the real scene stealers though. I really like this interpretation of them and their culture. The are yautja for those wondering.
One thing as Xiggz456 already said, the names of the predators can get confusing in the audiobook because when spoken they can sound kind of similar and there are a lot of predators. Some of them are signifigantly different enough to where you know for sure who they are but like 3 of them have similar names.
One thing about the Predators that I do not like so far is that the females are physically smaller them the males whereas in the Perry books they were larger. Also it seems like some female yaitja cannot go past a certain clan rank but I might be wrong. It is a high rank like hunting captain but not clan leader status. Maybe someone with the physical book can verify this? If this is accurate then I don't like that part.
Different womans for different predators races!
I really struggled through this.
Should have gone with a small group of Predators and some likeable humans instead.