Poll
Question:
Which species do you prefer and why?
Option 1: Aliens
votes: 660
Option 2: Predators
votes: 654
Aliens for me because:
- they have a really cool design
- have an interseting life cycle
- most original (what I mean by that is that they are not civilised or sophisticated in any way. Predators believe in honour and have made their own weapons, clans, ships and probably religions, Aliens are just creatures from outer-space that have one drive and that is to breed and kill, thats original)
Predators for me simply because:
I grew up looking up to these guys as heroes.
These guys are physically strong and fast.
Technologically advanced.
-Rakai'Thwei
I think both are cool. Orignally, I would have said Alien. But, after looking again at these awsome creatures, I think Preds are equally cool. Both are creatures that can kill with style and extreme awesomeness.
I just made a fan fic about how avp 2 should go down. If it would be species war it would be the queen facing off with the predalien.
Thats the way I made my story!
Coming soon Avp2: Clash of the titans
I like the Predators better. Despite what Ash said in the first movie, Aliens are not even close to being a perfect organism compared to some of the creatures in some other science fiction. Aliens are hostile to humans and Predators but don't have the intelligence to defend themselves properly when the advanced races strike back. This is a very bad combination of traits that makes them lose out when it comes to natural selection and may ultimately lead to their extinction. They've only survived this long because of the stupidity of certain humans and the cultural traditions of certain Predator clans. They can't even colonize other planets without the help of humans or Predators. Because humans have had few encounters with Aliens the humans haven't learned how to properly prepare themselves. The old alien comics and the new novel DNA War show what would happen if Alien encounters became more common. Humans develop special combat teams, robots, cyborgs, androids, toxins and more to deal with the Aliens and the Aliens become nothing more than a minor nuisance in the rare cases when they escape from various research facilities.
Aliens. Far too easy.
Their inherant almost infinite potential means their will always be a race trying to exploit them and failing dismally thus ensuring their survival.
The Predator's continued popularity is dependent on Alien and Chris Warner.
Plus Aliens have less of an advantage as they cant attack from afar but Predators can (Plasma Canster, Speargun, Wristblades, Smart Disc etc.)
I say predator. They fight with honor and if they lose, they blow everyting up so no one wins. It's their way or no way.
I'm deffinately going with Alien. Mostly for their cool design and the idea itself of a parasyte(sp?) creature that goes through a life cycle and ends up like a killing machine with basic insincts to breed and survive.
Predators. I mean look, they have cameo, sweet weapons, and are very strong, and hunt with honour. How much more do you want? 8)
Quote from: freak on Apr 04, 2007, 10:43:29 PM
so predator i mean look they have camo sweet weapons very strong and hunt with honore and how much more do u what 8)
The 'hsssssss' sound, goo all over the place. :D
I like both for different reasons. The Predators have some things that the Aliens do not, and the Aliens have some things that the Predators don't. Recently, though, the Predators have taken the spotlight for me. But not by much.
It would be the Predators for me. I think they have awesome Technology and weapons and could kick the crap out of the Aliens. Dont get me wrong, i like the Alien movies better but i like the Predator Creature more.
Predator. The Alien films I enjoyed more but as a species I find an intergalactic hunter with a hybrid of primitive and high-tech equipment more interesting. Aliens aren't too far behind but they come in large numbers and anything of that nature tends to come out as canon fodder, whereas Predators come in small groups or alone and consequently are shown as more durable individuals. Except for Gill. Nobody likes Gill.
How could anyone like Gill? You didn't have enough time to make up your mind about him before he kicked the bucket.
I have to believe that getting killed by a Predator would be slightly less painful. Their weapons are sharp and their shots for the most part are accurate.
I can see more people like Predators to Aliens... :'(
Quote from: Newsfop on Apr 11, 2007, 09:53:46 PM
I have to believe that getting killed by a Predator would be slightly less painful. Their weapons are sharp and their shots for the most part are accurate.
Well, I could disagree with that. In alien movies, it was always a headbite, hence, an instant death. In predator movies I'd say it's not usualy the one hit kill thing.
I like Xenomorphs but i think that in some way their life cycle is not very effective, i mean, its easier to bred a¨puppy¨ xenomorph from an egg, and then it becames bigger and stronger, than a facehugger (Only if it could develop itself with no need of hosts, like insects). In the other hand, its the theory of the DNA pool and all that genetic weird thing. I don´t know who is stronger, i geuss technology doesn´t make a creature strong. Xenomorph weapons are it´s bodyparts, while a human without a gun is quite a sh!t.
I love Aliens 3 runner but i can´t understand why its supposed to be weak. (Try looking the Aliens 3 comic xenomorph, it´s not like the one of the movie, but it´s an awesome bipedal monster with a larger and sharper tail and it´s mouth full with fangs. The bird like foot makes a bettter look of the Xeno, very similar to Aliens: Resurrection Xenomorphs)
I like Predator´s chivalry code too.
I goin with aliens all the way becosue they are amazing creatures in the whole scifi world.
I saw the first alien movie when i was only 5 and it scared the hell out of me i couldnt sleep for 2 days. So all togther i Love ALIENS.
predators are also awsome to but alien all the way
Im a Total lover of both but Im going with Predators I have worshiped them in the comics, movies, and the games. I like the aspect that a predator is a humanoid an smart race and have honor and warrior code. Aliens are bad ass too but there more like the lions of earth and the predators are like the humans with technology but not to take anything away from the aliens both are bad ass! Its like trying to choose jesus or god lol!
Quote from: Darkpreacha on Apr 21, 2007, 09:37:09 PM
Its like trying to choose jesus or god lol!
I would choose Both Jesus and God.
Heh, Anyways, i love the Alien Movies the most but i love the Predators more. There is just something about the Predators that makes them better than the aliens. If i had to pick a side it would definetly be the Predators.
Quote from: Dingo on Apr 11, 2007, 11:59:26 AM
How could anyone like Gill? You didn't have enough time to make up your mind about him before he kicked the bucket.
His only purpose was to threaten the main character and then be the first onscreen pred-victim of an alien, apparently.
I've got to go with the aliens. If you take the mask off a predator it's practically blind and useless.
Predators all the way. They are stronger, very agile and fast, intelligent, have super-advanced tech and have such an ugly face that if the aliens look into it they would turn to stone. Look out world theres a new Madussa in town. lol
I like Predators, but LOVE Aliens.
To me, they're the better species.
I would like to be both!!!!
How about a Pred alien!! I'm so smart.
But seriously I would like to be an alien. Because you get to kill everything that moves, because that is what you're born to do.
The post is about which creature you prefer, not which one you would want to be! :P
Oh whoops Im so sry guys :'(
Quote from: >>PredAlien Warrior<< on Apr 24, 2007, 02:51:48 PM
The post is about which creature you prefer, not which one you would want to be! :P
Yeah, but if it was what this post is about then i would Definetely choose to be a Predator. I've always thought it would be cool to be a predator.
Yeah, if I had to choose I'd go with predators. The aliens have a cool design, but the Predators have the code of honor thing. It's either that or the wristblades that is sooo cool.
Quote from: darkbladepred on Apr 28, 2007, 01:36:48 AM
Yeah, if I had to choose I'd go with predators. The aliens have a cool design, but the Predators have the code of honor thing. It's either that or the wristblades that is sooo cool.
wow thats similer to my answer i like the alien design but the hunting it important to me so i would have to be predator, but I would like them to not have tec weponds its even more Honorable to fight with just claws and fangs, at lest i think it is ...
Predators all the way.
They are heroic and powerful.
Plus they hunt the most deadly prey they can get their hands on for fun.
Predators fear nothing and welcome a warriors death.
They are a true inspiration in my eyes.
Quote from: Nihilus on Apr 30, 2007, 05:35:36 AM
Predators all the way.
They are heroic and powerful.
Plus they hunt the most deadly prey they can get their hands on for fun.
Predators fear nothing and welcome a warriors death.
They are a true inspiration in my eyes.
You said it.
...and two of them are killed by a single Alien in AvP. If theres one thing I'd thank PWA for it's that. ;D
Quote from: Clone#8 on May 01, 2007, 12:06:09 PM
...and two of them are killed by a single Alien in AvP. If theres one thing I'd thank PWA for it's that. ;D
I take it you're not much of a Pred Fan.
ALIENS ALL THE WAY - THEY CAN MASS REPRODUCE AND ARE MUCH COOLER!!!!!!!!!
Aliens are Cooler than the Preds in alot of ways, yet the Preds are cooler than the aliens in alot of ways. It really doesnt matter who is better.
Quote from: Its Game Time on May 02, 2007, 01:01:07 AM
Quote from: Clone#8 on May 01, 2007, 12:06:09 PM
...and two of them are killed by a single Alien in AvP. If theres one thing I'd thank PWA for it's that. ;D
I take it you're not much of a Pred Fan.
Dont get me wrong, I still like Predators but I think the Aliens are more original.
Aliens are nothing without a host. That's their greatest weakness. If it wasn't for a host they'd just be eggs...sitting on a derelict ship for who knows how long.
I definitely say Predators. As far as we know nothing can compete with them. Their drive for hunting bigger, and more dangerous game sets them apart from every other race. I like to think that Predators started off as primitive beings and gradually hunted other races and adapted/stole their technology, while still keeping their primitive roots. Hence the combination of a primitive being with highly advanced modifications. It's an awesome combo.
::)...
My Money is on the Preds. They are tough to kill.
Quote from: Clone#8 on May 01, 2007, 12:06:09 PM
...and two of them are killed by a single Alien in AvP. If theres one thing I'd thank PWA for it's that. ;D
That part really let me down at the theater due to the fact that I grew up reading AVP comics where it would take a gang of aliens to take out a predator. The formula that got me hooked on AVP was that the predators had strength in technology where the aliens had strength in numbers. This is one of the main reasons I'm not a huge fan of the AVP movie. Mr Anderson messed with the formula too much.
Quote from: Clone#8 on May 01, 2007, 12:06:09 PM
...and two of them are killed by a single Alien in AvP. If theres one thing I'd thank PWA for it's that. ;D
The only reason that happened was because Paul Anderson was Sleeping with the Alien. ;D
Quote from: Its Game Time on May 04, 2007, 05:48:32 AM
Quote from: Clone#8 on May 01, 2007, 12:06:09 PM
...and two of them are killed by a single Alien in AvP. If theres one thing I'd thank PWA for it's that. ;D
The only reason that happened was because Paul Anderson was Sleeping with the Alien. ;D
ahh so true..... i love when pred and alien fans fight its like free tv {sits back and watchs}
Quote from: White Okami on May 04, 2007, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: Its Game Time on May 04, 2007, 05:48:32 AM
Quote from: Clone#8 on May 01, 2007, 12:06:09 PM
...and two of them are killed by a single Alien in AvP. If theres one thing I'd thank PWA for it's that. ;D
The only reason that happened was because Paul Anderson was Sleeping with the Alien. ;D
ahh so true..... i love when pred and alien fans fight its like free tv {sits back and watchs}
I take it your with Predators then...
And I dont see how Predators can be "honourable" as they mostly kill what ever it is they are hunting from a distance. Why prove your worth against an Alien face to face when you can shoot it without it even knowing your there? Very honourable... ::)
Are you talking to me? Well if you are then,....well yeah i'm with the Preds. Dont get me wrong, i love the alien movies more than the pred movies but i love the pred creature more.
Predators all the way!
Theyr much cooler and i think the design is awesome, i just love everything about them 8)
I like aliens too, but there are just too much like little cockroaches and easy to kill, predators are much tougher and meaner, when you encounter an alien youre gone with one headbite, but what about a predator shoots off your arm and lift you in the air when he has his wristblades in your belly? ;D
Sick, and i love it ;D
So Predators for me.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 05, 2007, 05:47:59 PM
Predators all the way!
Theyr much cooler and i think the design is awesome, i just love everything about them 8)
I like aliens too, but there are just too much like little cockroaches and easy to kill, predators are much tougher and meaner, when you encounter an alien youre gone with one headbite, but what about a predator shoots off your arm and lift you in the air when he has his wristblades in your belly? ;D
Sick, and i love it ;D
So Predators for me.
to have real honer is to use only what you have on your body not something like a gun or knife thats why i go with aliens but preds do more hunting then aliens aliens just kill so i im not sure anymore
I like the Aliens Beause...
1.you can't kill all of them because theres always one left.
2. the breed faster then anything.
3. they can live anywhere.
4.they kill to surive while predator just kill for trophys.
thats why i like the aliens more than predators
Aliens Rock!!!
I always found the alien movies scarier but the predator is more cool to me.
It ad a grace to it as it moved and acted.The mask it wore was very ominous and mysterious.Its extremely large height and build was frightening compared to Arnold.That it can track you down no matter where you run and is invisible to your eyes is truly frightening.
I think the Alien films are meant to be scarier, i always saw the Predator films as more Action films than Horror, whereas A1 and A3, were good Horror movies, Res has a few good moments, and so does Aliens in terms of horror, but some of them are more just things that make you jump than scare you
Quote from: JaredK21 on May 03, 2007, 03:12:31 AM
Aliens are nothing without a host. That's their greatest weakness. If it wasn't for a host they'd just be eggs...sitting on a derelict ship for who knows how long.
I definitely say Predators. As far as we know nothing can compete with them. Their drive for hunting bigger, and more dangerous game sets them apart from every other race. I like to think that Predators started off as primitive beings and gradually hunted other races and adapted/stole their technology, while still keeping their primitive roots. Hence the combination of a primitive being with highly advanced modifications. It's an awesome combo.
Predators didn't steal their technology, they made it on their own, like humans did. Or did we? ::)
Quote from: White Okami on May 05, 2007, 06:05:48 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 05, 2007, 05:47:59 PM
Predators all the way!
Theyr much cooler and i think the design is awesome, i just love everything about them 8)
I like aliens too, but there are just too much like little cockroaches and easy to kill, predators are much tougher and meaner, when you encounter an alien youre gone with one headbite, but what about a predator shoots off your arm and lift you in the air when he has his wristblades in your belly? ;D
Sick, and i love it ;D
So Predators for me.
to have real honer is to use only what you have on your body not something like a gun or knife thats why i go with aliens but preds do more hunting then aliens aliens just kill so i im not sure anymore
Preds dont always use weapons all the time, if you watch pred 1, you'll see the predator beating the living shit out of Arnie. It shows there badass with and without their weapons, although it sucks that it died at the end. It would've been nice to see the pred rip Arnie to shreds and rip his skull out while he was still alive. Imagine the screams. ;D :o
Quote from: Predboy on May 07, 2007, 11:22:39 PM
Quote from: JaredK21 on May 03, 2007, 03:12:31 AM
Aliens are nothing without a host. That's their greatest weakness. If it wasn't for a host they'd just be eggs...sitting on a derelict ship for who knows how long.
I definitely say Predators. As far as we know nothing can compete with them. Their drive for hunting bigger, and more dangerous game sets them apart from every other race. I like to think that Predators started off as primitive beings and gradually hunted other races and adapted/stole their technology, while still keeping their primitive roots. Hence the combination of a primitive being with highly advanced modifications. It's an awesome combo.
Predators didn't steal their technology, they made it on their own, like humans did. Or did we? ::)
Wow that is a good question
Aliens. Alien movies are more popular and more famous. Plus the first alien film had one of the most famous scenes in movie history, the chestburster. Plus i like aliens that dont have any feelings unlike predators in AVP when the predator let that one chick join him. Predators are SOFTIES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aliens have lots of life cycles and they take on the DNA of there host. that is awsom. Predators are more like humans. Give birth, grow up ect. Plus aliens have so many varieties. every movie has a difrent looking alien but all recognizable. Which brings me to my next point, THERE ARE A LOT MORE ALIEN MOVIES!
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"Its paranoid delusion. Its really sad."
Quote from: Weyland on May 10, 2007, 11:52:57 PM
Aliens. Alien movies are more popular and more famous. Plus the first alien film had one of the most famous scenes in movie history, the chestburster. Plus i like aliens that dont have any feelings unlike predators in AVP when the predator let that one chick join him. Predators are SOFTIES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aliens have lots of life cycles and they take on the DNA of there host. that is awsom. Predators are more like humans. Give birth, grow up ect. Plus aliens have so many varieties. every movie has a difrent looking alien but all recognizable. Which brings me to my next point, THERE ARE A LOT MORE ALIEN MOVIES!
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"Its paranoid delusion. Its really sad."
Did you ever think that the predator let her join him because she actually killed an alien. And its better to have feeling than be a bunch of mindless, stupid bugs that only cares about growing and killing. Out of all the predator movies, I have never seen a pred go soft on a human, only if they were unarmed, so I dont see how predators are softies if they kill without mercy. And
Plus aliens have so many varieties. every movie has a difrent looking alien but all recognizable In the pred films, there were different pred designs, which shows, diferent predator ethniticities.
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4.they kill to surive while predator just kill for trophys.
No, Aliens pretty much just kill for the sake of killing. It doesn't matter if they are full or if they don't feel threatened, they will up and exterminate any foreign body until there is nothing left. The only other godless creatures that do that are humans (whom I hold a notch higher ONLY because it isn't a species-wide sentiment) . . . which is pretty much the number one reason why I hate them. Don't get me wrong, Aliens are extremely cool life forms, fascinating really; but their hard-wired instinct to wipe out all life pretty much labels them as deserving of extinction themselves in my book.
Quote from: Predboy on May 11, 2007, 12:02:28 AM
Quote from: Weyland on May 10, 2007, 11:52:57 PM
Aliens. Alien movies are more popular and more famous. Plus the first alien film had one of the most famous scenes in movie history, the chestburster. Plus i like aliens that dont have any feelings unlike predators in AVP when the predator let that one chick join him. Predators are SOFTIES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aliens have lots of life cycles and they take on the DNA of there host. that is awsom. Predators are more like humans. Give birth, grow up ect. Plus aliens have so many varieties. every movie has a difrent looking alien but all recognizable. Which brings me to my next point, THERE ARE A LOT MORE ALIEN MOVIES!
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"Its paranoid delusion. Its really sad."
Did you ever think that the predator let her join him because she actually killed an alien. And its better to have feeling than be a bunch of mindless, stupid bugs that only cares about growing and killing. Out of all the predator movies, I have never seen a pred go soft on a human, only if they were unarmed, so I dont see how predators are softies if they kill without mercy. And Plus aliens have so many varieties. every movie has a difrent looking alien but all recognizable In the pred films, there were different pred designs, which shows, diferent predator ethniticities.
Oh yah? well..........Oh yah?
That is why i love aliens. they kill for the sake of killing. To breed more of them. But predators Noooooooooooo.
They have to get layed just like everything else.
Quote from: Weyland on May 11, 2007, 01:16:44 AM
Quote from: Predboy on May 11, 2007, 12:02:28 AM
Quote from: Weyland on May 10, 2007, 11:52:57 PM
Aliens. Alien movies are more popular and more famous. Plus the first alien film had one of the most famous scenes in movie history, the chestburster. Plus i like aliens that dont have any feelings unlike predators in AVP when the predator let that one chick join him. Predators are SOFTIES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aliens have lots of life cycles and they take on the DNA of there host. that is awsom. Predators are more like humans. Give birth, grow up ect. Plus aliens have so many varieties. every movie has a difrent looking alien but all recognizable. Which brings me to my next point, THERE ARE A LOT MORE ALIEN MOVIES!
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"Its paranoid delusion. Its really sad."
Did you ever think that the predator let her join him because she actually killed an alien. And its better to have feeling than be a bunch of mindless, stupid bugs that only cares about growing and killing. Out of all the predator movies, I have never seen a pred go soft on a human, only if they were unarmed, so I dont see how predators are softies if they kill without mercy. And Plus aliens have so many varieties. every movie has a difrent looking alien but all recognizable In the pred films, there were different pred designs, which shows, diferent predator ethniticities.
Oh yah? well..........Oh yah?
That is why i love aliens. they kill for the sake of killing. To breed more of them. But predators Noooooooooooo.
They have to get layed just like everything else.
Getting layed haves them experience one of life's most pleasurable gifts, which is something aliens will never get. ;D
Quote from: Noir-Gojira on May 11, 2007, 12:05:58 AM
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4.they kill to surive while predator just kill for trophys.
No, Aliens pretty much just kill for the sake of killing. It doesn't matter if they are full or if they don't feel threatened, they will up and exterminate any foreign body until there is nothing left. The only other godless creatures that do that are humans (whom I hold a notch higher ONLY because it isn't a species-wide sentiment) . . . which is pretty much the number one reason why I hate them. Don't get me wrong, Aliens are extremely cool life forms, fascinating really; but their hard-wired instinct to wipe out all life pretty much labels them as deserving of extinction themselves in my book.
well he has a point aliens killl for the sake of killing predators atleast have a motive to there actions which i find is better then aliens cause think about it an alien will kill you on site you unarm yourself the predator might leave you alone (MIGHT).
PREDATOR!!!!!!!! MMMMUUUUAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAAH
Predator all the way. Hands down.
Aliens. Aliens. Aliens... ;)
you think there would be more alien fans by now wouldnt you?:P
Aliens.
Neutrals >>>>>>>>>>>>> All the rest of you
I ain't no nerd. :P
Anyway, by "Alien and Predator fan" do you mean
only a fan of one of those species? Because I'm a fan of both, though if I'd have to choose....'.
Quote from: fluxcap on May 14, 2007, 06:02:21 PM
Aliens.
Why do you have a Predator avatar?
Predators, all the way. ;D
Oh yeah, and I ain't no nerd either.
Quote from: Dekapitator on May 14, 2007, 06:57:25 PM
Why do you have a Predator avatar?
Cause its friggen sweet illustration.
Merged topics. They're both about the same thing.
I voted alien, mainly because the alien as more mystery and strangeness to them, the predators have mystery but they are hunters, and they have been humanised a bit to much.
this is a hard one...i dunno...i think i love both of them too much! ;D
Quote from: Carter J. Burke on May 20, 2007, 05:53:37 PM
ALIEN!!!!! BUT NOOOOOOO!!!!!! >:( COLIN SAID THERE IS LESS ALIEN APPERANCES THAN PREDATOR!!!!! >:( :P
I think he meant that we won't be seeing them that much but probably only when they are fighting.
Much Like in aliens, we didn't follow the aliens around, they only showed up in scenes where they actually do something.
For me, the Alien is the best. I like the Alien for a year before I even saw the movie. I had seen the Kenner toy and I owned a jigsaw puzzle. I knew the story from reading the Heavy Metal graphic novel at the PX. To me, the creature design was so original. The only thing interesting about the Pred is his head.
Now if we're talking if the Alien and Pred were real, I'd have to go Pred. Why? The technology obviously.
predator for me its awsome
(i was just mad because 1 alien killed 2 predators :'()
I think the Aliens would win. They're smarter, because in all of the movies that I've seen, they always do all of this really crazy stuff that no one would ever half way think would happen.
But my bro thinks the Preds would win, and he does bring up a good point.
So it's AvP logically between my older brother and me. It's interesting.
So, which one are you?
I have no real preference, i just like both series, and its fun defending both sides, and actually using logic, instead of being a blind fanboys...not mentioning names....YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
Quote from: Dachande on Jun 01, 2007, 01:02:55 AM
I have no real preference, i just like both series, and its fun defending both sides, and actually using logic, instead of being a blind fanboys...not mentioning names....YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
Who the what now, that cant be me thats for sure. I wonder who,
>__>
<__<
It could be anyone.
I like both, preds mostly, but there are times where it may seem like I hate aliens, but I think they're cool. 8)
PS
Quote from: Dachande on Jun 01, 2007, 01:02:55 AM
I have no real preference, i just like both series, and its fun defending both sides, and actually using logic, instead of being a blind fanboys...not mentioning names....YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
Yes hellow there, thats me. Sometimes I use logic, sometimes I dont in an arguement, but who cares. ;D
I would say that i am mostly more of a Predator fan, i have both Predator movies, and none for the aliens, if it wasn't because of that i would be both. Butif you're trying to ask which species i prefer...it would have to be the Predator.
I am totally one of those blind fan boys. The thing is I don't care. I think the Aliens are totally awesome. I've seen both series (To my disdain, except for Aliens), and I just like the Aliens' methods more. Spawning dangerous creatures out of your enemies to fight for you has to get you some credit, man.
Quote from: Ansul on Jun 03, 2007, 12:33:33 AM
I am totally one of those blind fan boys. The thing is I don't care. I think the Aliens are totally awesome. I've seen both series (To my disdain, except for Aliens), and I just like the Aliens' methods more. Spawning dangerous creatures out of your enemies to fight for you has to get you some credit, man.
You have to see the Aliens movie it is in my opinion the best of all four. To me it is the star wars episode 5 of the Alien franchise.
Definitely like the Alien movies more - they are more interesting.
I have heard that it is the best. I think that it may be. But another opinion like that makes me want to watch it more, because Star Wars Episode 5 was pretty good.
If I were to do a comparison:
Star Wars = Alien
Empire Strikes Back = Aliens, Predator
Revenge of the Sith = Alien 3, Predator 2
Return of the Jedi = Alien Resurrection
The Phantom Menace = AVP :D
"Which one are you more of a fan of?"
I'm more of a Predator fan, I like Aliens aswell.
Quote from: gameoverman on Jun 03, 2007, 03:23:04 AM
The Phantom Menace = AVP :D
At least TPM had
Darth Maul, AVP didn't have anything good in it.
alien movies are better made, but i like the predator creature more than the alien but they are both cool
Quote from: Dekapitator on Jun 03, 2007, 08:31:37 AM
"Which one are you more of a fan of?"
I'm more of a Predator fan, I like Aliens aswell.
Quote from: gameoverman on Jun 03, 2007, 03:23:04 AM
The Phantom Menace = AVP :D
At least TPM had Darth Maul, AVP didn't have anything good in it.
I think the fight between the Queen and that really tough Predator was pretty interesting.
Well, i mean, what are you more of a fan of in General. Not movies or Creatures.
As for me....
In General: Both
Movies: Alien
Creature: Predator
Predators cause they are pretty much the ultimate race in my opinion
I agree With you "War Wager" 1000%. Aliens Have a better Design, better Movies, And better Stories!
- ALIENS ROCK!
I would say Aliens. They are basically the perfect organism (as the movie said, and I know they can be killed, and yatta, yatta, ya.) I think that it's all a matter of opinion. (Which is kind of obvious ::))
I dont care if they were jesus(They cant be cause i am :P)predators are really cool they're way cooler i find
Alien. It's what got me into AVP. But, being on this site helped me appereate Preds alot more, but I stilll like Alien the best.
Predator for me.
They are an advanced species very well balanced between physical level and technology. They travel the universe, hunt creatures, the more dangerous the creatures is the most honor they can get, exposing throphies with pride. Their design is brillant, their noises and sounds is thrilling and unnmatched.
Predators gets my vote! They are the greatest hunters ever!
I find that alien's are more adaptable then predators predators reley on strangth alot and have mercy on the weak. aliens kill to survive and have no mercy. ps I CANT SPELL!!!!!!
predators easy because
on avp there is only 3 predators in the pryamind and there is loads of aliens and predators dont even have their best wep and they kill them easy :) preds it is!!!!!!
I said Alien, but I'm not really sure now.
The more I see and know about Predators, the more I like them... ???
It's a hard choice, considering that they are both so differently awesome in so many different ways, but in the end I've always liked the Alien series like .01% more, and I always find myself saying, "come on man, kill him, kill him, use your tounge, go through his head, please, pretty please, WHAT, you got killed, you had the guys foot, and some retard turned upside down and started shooting at you and just blew your head up, AHHHHHHHHHHH, what the F*ck, AHHHHHHHHHHHH!
So yeah, Alien. Design looks cooler, seems to have an interesting lifestyle.
Movie-wise: Aliens...
Badassery Factor: Predator
predators
i don't know why but they just seem cooler 8)
i like both but prefer better ALIEN cuz i find it realy cool. It is a mysterios creature that lives in the dark and kills on site. Im amazed by its power, speed and stealth. Its also incredibly smart for a creature that has so simple life needs.
predators all the friken way they have high tek weapons and alot more streghth we dont even now about them alot we dont even now what there planet (or planets) look like !!! ::)
Predators, but i take nothing away from Aliens, Aliens are awesome
Aliens. They're really cool looking, supremely deadly, have an interesting life cycle, don't use hi-tech shit, and there are limitless numbers of them.
If I have to I would go Predator, only because of the of it's sense of humor.
But both are so different, it's a hard call. It's like having to choose between Twins... hot twins. They are both equally sexy with perfect bodies. One has a hot rack, the other a perfect booty. But hey, who are we kidding. We get both at the same time so quit complaining.
QuoteNo, Aliens pretty much just kill for the sake of killing.
Um...no.
Adult Aliens kill to eat, as we saw in Alien 3. Chestbursters "kill" only because that's how they're born. Aliens kill for survival.
Anyway, I have to go with Aliens because:
-The movies are better
-The design is incredible
-They're dark and mysterious
My thoughts exactly ^ ;)
Aliens are naturally deadly. Predators use technology.
Movies: Aliens
Creature: Predator
In General: Both
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Aug 13, 2007, 08:20:34 PM
Aliens are naturally deadly. Predators use technology.
But they can also snap a human in two 25% as efficently as Chuck Norris... which is really saying something.
Predators used to be cool - before all that 'yuatja' stuff and the AVP interspecies romance...
Aliens used to be cool - before they were turned into fleshy beasts that sound like dinosaurs...
Predators.
A lot of people seem to think this site is full of Pred fans, which isn't true. Sure theres more Preddies but we do have a small Alien army... ;D
Pred fan.
Although I also like the Aliens.
Predator fan
Pussy Mouth vs. Penis Head
Coming to a theater near you.
I like both, i hate people that are biased.
^ if that's the case why is there only one vote for "I like them both" and it's the one I just put there?
Alien fan but I also like predator
Quote from: The Joker on Aug 15, 2007, 05:28:56 PM
I like both, i hate people that are biased.
Looks like we're on the same boat.
Quote from: darkbladepred on Aug 15, 2007, 05:32:53 PM
^ if that's the case why is there only one vote for "I like them both" and it's the one I just put there?
I forgot to put in my vote......and i just put it in.
I'am a Alien fan.
I'm an Alien fan all the way, but the Preds are pretty cool.
So far the alien fans are in the lead. :)
Quote from: War Wager on Aug 15, 2007, 04:23:33 PM
we do have a small Alien army... ;D
That needs to be destroyed by Predators ;)
Quote from: Predboy on Aug 15, 2007, 06:12:24 PM
So far the alien fans are in the lead. :)
No, the I-like-boths are in the lead.
I'm a fan of both.
But if I had to choose I'd lean towards Predator.
Like them both, but aliens all the way.
Quote from: YELLOW ALIEN on Aug 15, 2007, 04:38:58 PM
Pussy Mouth vs. Penis Head
Coming to a theater near you.
yeah? but the predators pitch
Quote from: Dingo on Apr 01, 2007, 12:10:20 PM
I say predator. They fight with honor and if they lose, they blow everyting up so no one wins. It's their way or no way.
I agree with Dingo, Predator every time ;D
Yep, like he said. Its their way, or the gate way to hell. Well, thats my version of it but you get it.
Alien. Simply because they scare me more.
Plus the predators have been reduced to super heroes now...
i'd have to say alien, they are more focused on survival, and they have a pretty interesting life-cycle, they are fast and quite strong, maybe a little bit stupid though since they attack anything they see but its still awesome
both..great creations
I dont prefer either species.. i think theyre both equally fascinating.
I am intrigued with both species and am fans of both franchises...but, deep down, I'd have to say I'm partial to the Aliiens. It's by a slim margin, but something about the life cycle, the fear they induce, and the killer's intellect that isn't restrained by morality is more head-turning than the Predator. Only by a slim margin, though.
The Predators have always been a favorite of mine. At first, it was just the design that attracted me to them but then I got into the novels which explained their culture and I was just hooked.
Both creatures have a place in my heart, but the Alien is my favorite.
I love both but I have to go with Aliens. mostly just cus Aliens (2) is my all time favorite movie.
Predators because they're just so awesome-looking and sexy. ;D :D ;) :) Seriously.
And they're cybergenic and have glowing green blood and they look mean.
But xenomorphs are awesome too.
Aliens for there awesome design there not just those circle head aliens they have a unique design for any alien been created although predators are cool, Alien get my vote
I like both but Aliens are simply the best.
It has so much symbolism and sexual undertones that makes these creatures really frightening and wierd.
The design is the best monster/alien design ever put in a movie or anywere actually.
The creature is so fascinatingly dark, unique and iconic that it automatically becomes engraved in peoples memory.
And of course, the brilliant A-quality movies (at least the first 3), and badass Sigourney Weaver.
aliens r the scaryist, there dark and all around menising, but in fights, a single alien isnt much, there mor lik suiside bomers, they run into a fight and try to do as much damage as possible and if they get harmed all the better, there blood will tak it from there. but a predator is stronger, and smarter, they fight with mor meaning insted of just kinda...fighting. so i hav 2 say that predators r better...but aliens r still really cool...
I have them tied but I would have to go with predator. why? I like the whole idea of hunters from a different world and they have some cool toys ;D
I like both but i like Predators because There cooler and Stronger.
I like both but i like alien better cause they looked more scary. I am rooting for Wolf in AVP R hence my name.
i like the predator well better because it hunts on its own while the aliens have like 20-30 of them, and it is a lot smarter then aliens coz when alien see people they attacked and a predator like puts its cloak on and follows them and kills when not expecting anything to happen 2 them.
also predators have a cool wep's like the disc (my favorite) should cannon and wristblades. plus predators can heal themselves with there medic kit which owns i think
Predator for me,this is mostly because they don't need to facehug something and stay inside it to grow.And predators have cool weapons.
I like aliens because they look cooler and they are actually based on a type of deep sea creature that live in a bubble.It really looks alike right down to its see through head/dome.
Hmm toughie...
I'll go with Xenomorphs, as there is more variety in the species.
Don't get me wrong Preds are cool, but if I want slightly different armour and weapons in each iteration I'll rent Oblivion.
Predator without doubt.
I have always loved the design and the brute strength they have, aswell as the always expanding inventory of weoponry and technology.
I never really got caught up or dazzled with the Alien species, dont know why really, they just seem pushed into the background by my love of preds
Want Some Candy loves the predators and always makes me out to be more of the alien fan, I like them both, but I wonder if Want Some Candy knew that it was PREDATOR I saw 1st ;D
So if you do the math, I have been a fan of predator longer than alien.
but I still like them both a equally as much.
Quote from: Mr. Weyland on Sep 07, 2007, 02:08:53 PM
Want Some Candy loves the predators and always makes me out to be more of the alien fan, I like them both, but I wonder if Want Some Candy knew that it was PREDATOR I saw 1st ;D
So if you do the math, I have been a fan of predator longer than alien.
but I still like them both a equally as much.
yes i knew but that doesnt meen i automatically think "oh he saw alien first so he likes it best"
I based it on the constant chat about bishop, alien characters, how crap the newborn was and the different alien designs we go through weekly lol
Quote from: Want Some Candy? on Sep 07, 2007, 07:29:48 PM
I based it on the constant chat about bishop, alien characters, how crap the newborn was and the different alien designs we go through weekly lol
You missed about the size of the AVP queen alien ;D
Scratch what I said before right now im still deciding between the two.I dont have a fair impression of either but Predators have weapons real weapons which appeals to me.
I love the Aliens. Ever since I saw Alien, I loved them. First, they are scarier than the Predators, They kill without remorse, unlike the Preds, and they are all around cooler, I find.
I like the Predators more. I think they look cooler and have cool weapons(the duel blades put them over the top) plus Predator is my fav Movie of all 7.
I like the predators more just for thier awsome strength and i alway loved thier design the hunter like lfe style and every thing like that ;D
Were have all the aliens fans gone?
I'm here! But I don't know whats happening to me. I'm starting to prefer Predators to Aliens somenow... :P
Quote from: War Wager on Sep 11, 2007, 07:36:30 PM
I'm here! But I don't know whats happening to me. I'm starting to prefer Predators to Aliens somenow... :P
So much pred morphing going on, be funny it predalien queen or whatever the hell it is kills Wolf in the end?
:(
ALIENS!!!!! They have the best weapon ever, something the predators don't have, mass numbers!!!! ;)
Crap I didn't see this and posted the same question under AVP!!! And I like predators more. Mostly for there honor and skill. ;D ;D
Quote from: Private Hudson on Sep 16, 2007, 07:11:56 PM
ALIENS!!!!! They have the best weapon ever, something the predators don't have, mass numbers!!!! ;)
Predator, because the Predators will kick every single one of those dick-head-ed, shiney ass blind, cock-mouths. ;D (But I love aliens tooooo)
if the preds had no techonolgy they would be crap compared to the alien.
Quote from: waldo 1 on Sep 18, 2007, 01:31:03 AM
if the preds had no techonolgy they would be crap compared to the alien.
But they do ;D
Quote from: Pred-Wolf on Sep 18, 2007, 08:12:26 PM
Quote from: waldo 1 on Sep 18, 2007, 01:31:03 AM
if the preds had no techonolgy they would be crap compared to the alien.
But they do ;D
Even without technology a predator could rip an alien's head off! I think it's obvious which species I prefer.
Quote from: arnold23 on Sep 18, 2007, 12:28:55 AM
Quote from: Private Hudson on Sep 16, 2007, 07:11:56 PM
ALIENS!!!!! They have the best weapon ever, something the predators don't have, mass numbers!!!! ;)
Predator, because the Predators will kick every single one of those dick-head-ed, shiney ass blind, cock-mouths. ;D (But I love aliens tooooo)
Watch the flashback scene in AVP, see it? The Predators got their asses kicked!!
Thats because the preds were out numbered! If the bitch didn't lay so many eggs
I'm not suprosed that most vote for predator but i remember that when the site for AVP was on there was a poll for that mater and the results was on the alien site
My vote goes to the Predator because at first I liked them because they looked cool now I like everything but the Alien is super cool too but I still like the Predator more.
Quote from: Private Hudson on Sep 16, 2007, 07:11:56 PM
ALIENS!!!!! They have the best weapon ever, something the predators don't have, mass numbers!!!! ;)
predators will never have the need for massive-numbers, its quallity not quantity that matters ;D
Predators. They're true warriors and the best hunters. They can camoflauge too to avoid being seen. Love how they collect trophies too. They hunt for sport and they have honour. They don't harm a unarmed person unless they are attacked by them. Predators. Cos' they're the best.
Aliens dont need any techongly 8)
Predators, just because of their badassness! (So sue me for using a likely unexisting word...) Their technology and appearance just appeals to me more than the Aliens, but I still love the originality of the Xenomorphs.
Quote from: War Wager on Mar 26, 2007, 11:25:00 PM
Aliens for me because:
- they have a really cool design
- have an interseting life cycle
- most original (what I mean by that is that they are not civilised or sophisticated in any way. Predators believe in honour and have made their own weapons, clans, ships and probably religions, Aliens are just creatures from outer-space that have one drive and that is to breed and kill, thats original)
well yeah but the also steal
:)
i prefer pred because they look mint skin people and rip skulls off people for fun and hunting
Quote from: dale07 on Sep 24, 2007, 10:03:00 PM
i prefer pred because they look mint skin people and rip skulls off people for fun and hunting
Don't forget honor ;D
Oh God! I was originally going to pick Pred over Aliens(But Aliens would be very close) but now because of this crazy Alien and Pred fan war going on, I'm choosing both. Aliens have an interesting life-cycle. And the hybrids can make some hives a bit stronger. Aliens also kill for no reason at all. Showing how hostile they can be. If not, crazy-in-a-cool way. Predators hunt for the fun of it. They don't seem to be afraid of anything. Fighting dinosaur-sized animals (Queen Xeno in AVP1 and the T-rex looking creature skull from P2). They also have amazing tech. Both are amazingly, brave/too confident creatures.
Quote from: Pyron on Sep 24, 2007, 03:49:17 AM
Predators, just because of their badassness! (So sue me for using a likely unexisting word...) Their technology and appearance just appeals to me more than the Aliens, but I still love the originality of the Xenomorphs.
I make up words al the time
Predators
who doesn't love them 8)
aliens hands down
i just love the idea of it, its design, its life cycle
i like the predator and i like the idea of an ultimate hunter
but for me it just has to be alien
Predators becuse they rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i would have to say aliens beacuse they are original and they have a cool life cycle but predators are pretty cool to but i like aliens better
I like them both in different ways. Like I like aliens because they start out animalistic then as the movie goes on they get smarter and smarter.
And as for the predators I love how they advise technology but they use things like spears and wrist blades which show they are great hunters.
Plus lets face it they are both kick a$$. ;D
I say it is impossible to choose. The Aliens are different depending on the host and I think that addaptability is awesome (plus it gives them a different look) But the Preds have incredably powerful weapons (and they can skin you give the Pred some respect). However if I absolutely had to choose right now I would go for the Predators
PREDATORS ALL THE WAY!!!!! (the aliens are really cool, but preds r just better...)
Aliens for me because:
- They are inexpendable, the queen NEVER stops laying eggs, where as Predators, they need reinforcments.
-They are 2-8 times stronger than the average man
-2-4 times stronger than the Predator, as seen in AVP the Alien lifts the Predator with his TAIL with no trouble.
- They are very quick spreding
Predators hunt everything and is why I choose the ULTIMATE hunter in many reasons. They're fast,stealthy,high tech,intelligent by far! From what I see of the preview the pred-alien finds this out by catching the glimpse of the predator driving his blades through it's dome piece. Can you say HARDCORE!
Alien easily.
The Alien is a Lovecraftian archetype. It represents unnamable, forgotten cosmic horror revealed in glimpses to a fragile humanity, with the unrecorded downfall of past civilizations as an undercurrent to the inevitable doom of mankind as he tampers with knowledge far beyond his capacity for understanding. It was drawn mainly from H. R. Giger's surrealist vision of the fusion of machine and organic life, with its primary theme of the destruction of moral absolutes using a blurred line between the meanings of "life" and "death" and its attack on the unnatural perversions of industrialism, along with a juxtaposition of gender supporting concepts of the elimination of mortal identity. These themes--coupled with the alien's nightmarish physical design--allow for a creature perfectly suited as a vessel for the darker messages of science fiction.
The Predator is great, don't get me wrong, he was designed for badass action and he delivers in that area... but overall, he's just a hyper masculine movie monster that offers very little beyond tired old "hunter becomes the hunted" themes and the bombastic clash of big guys with big guns. The Predator, in 1987, was already outranked by the Terminator in the "unstoppable killing machine" department (and even the Terminator, being heavily entrenched in cyber punk and noir, was far more important for science fiction.)
There's a reason why the Alien's "expanded universe" contains vastly more material than Predator's (despite the comics' and books' numerous flaws.)
I would have to say predator because they are deadly hunters. This was a difficult question because I am a fan of both alien and predator.
Hmmm, right now 66 people prefer Aliens and 103 prefer Predators... :-[
i dont give a damn what these f**kin alien fans say its like this without preds aliens wouldnt even be on the f**kin map pred till my grave and preds could take earth at any time or the aliens like the old saying brains over bronze preds have both.
Quote from: Cetanu on Oct 09, 2007, 12:39:10 PM
i dont give a damn what these f**kin alien fans say its like this without preds aliens wouldnt even be on the f**kin map
I'm pretty sure Alien came out in 1979, and Predator was released in 1987. I'm also fairly certain that Predator took a great deal of influence from Alien. Additionally, Alien is a much higher grossing and more critically acclaimed series overall, with three sequels spanning 18 years of film making, whereas Predator could only conjure one mediocre sequel before petering out.
That's probably not what you were talking about, but still. The figures don't lie. ;)
ok accaris, aliens beat preds economicily and age-wise, but in my opinion the question is focuing on the creatures themselves, not nesisarily there sucsessfulness, personally i love both creatures, as a scientist, i enjoy the fictional biology assosiated with the aliens, but as a guy, i lov the hunter aspect of the preds, they both rok, but if i HAD to choose, id say the predators are better.
it would be PREDATOR - (but excluding the posers from the fake AVP)>:(
ALIENS isn't too far off, falling in at a very close 2nd. i guess its that way naturally since i saw PREDATOR first before i saw ALIENS two years latter
PREDATOR is my all time favorite character and all time favorite movie period
from the time i snuck to watch PREDATOR on HBO in 88 i was hooked
as a kid up to that point and at that time i had never seen anything like in my life - it was the coolest sh-t
to me
PREDATOR made FREDDY and JASON look like chumps - he was freakin bad ass, pain and simple
his ability to cloak and blend in was sick and the weapons that he used was f--king sweet but what i loved most about the PREDATOR was how he turned the tables on man - the hunter now became the hunted
sadly the PREDATOR franchise suffered a blow when
ASSnderSON in his great genius completely disregarded the key aspect of the original PREDATOR character entirely, so hopefully the STRAUSE brothers can undo the sh-t that dude caused and erase that bad taste from memory
alien for me. except i dont really care much about predator for some reason. i'm kinda surprised that there are so many or lets say more ppl that like predators than aliens. i always thought aliens had more fan base because they had more sequals oh well :-\
I have to agree with Accaris here, Cetanu is as bad as the "f***in alien fans" he refers to, simply because he cannot understand that other people do not like the same things as him.
Aliens wouldn't even be on the map without preds? What the f**k? Alien had a cult following before Predator even existed, dumbass predfan.
its a hard decision
alien is a killing machine and can out number anything easily, they dont stop until theyre dead and theyre fast and sneaky
predator is not only a smart, but a strong athletic agile hunter who knows what hes doing in a fight and doesnt just charge at sumthing thoughtlessly without planning out his moves(not including that crap of a movie avp which souldnt count as part of the sagas)
i voted predator because as a kid he was my hero, but when i look at them both, its really hard to chose between them because theyre just 2 really bad ass creatures, you would think bringing them together in avp would have been epic... :-\ lets all hope avp-r can redeem both sagas
Both species are excellent -
Aliens - one of the most mean, nasty beasts ever! Horrible life cycle! Slime every where - Brilliant!
(The one in the Pepsi Ad was cool!)
Predator - very cool look, excellent fighters, excellent weapons, a very cool culture!
I thought AVP had it's moments - I'm Hoping the new AVP Requiem - will be a killer movie? The trailers promise heaps of killings so maybe - they've got it right?!
Hears hoping!
equaly as good i say
but predators more cause they have so much more advance techno (i cnt spell)
plus they all about honour respect so on and so fourth (dont want to go into much detail could be here for hours) which suits me casue im the same :D
aliens, they class and all, but over all meh
they only have basic functions,breed feed kill
they a bug that needs to be stood on sorry but it true
they look mad tho
but over all, a predator without his weapons i would say would lose to alien
predator poss stronger and all, but the alien has claws,tail and teeth, predator only streght and faster reactions :S
rite ok im going to stop here because this going to much detail
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sorry
Aliens
More original, look cooler
as the sorting hat would say "better be... PREDATOR!!!!!"
predator cuz its just cooler i mean...MANDIBLES, basically speaks for itself
i love them both!!! the aliens r unique and terrifing, while the preds are powerful and cunning. and them 2gether is awesome!!!!!!!!
I like both series but i like Predators more.
UuuuuH... PREDATOR!!! Yeah, the ALIEN(s) are a really cool creation, and they are creepy as all hell, but the PREDATOR is the ultimate bad ass. Who knows, maybe the PREDATOR race is all about making cookies when not out hunting. ;D
i prefer the preds. I just find a sort of kinship with em. that and lets face it, they are pretty good looking.
Aliens are extraterrestrial parasites who accept for a cycle of duplication the certain morphological type of the carrier irrespective of its origin.
Predators are the developed space civilization, which representatives have found to itself bloody entertainment in the form of hunting behind skulls.
Certainly, Predators more abruptly.
Aliens all the way!!!!
Uhh...ALIEN ::)It's More Animal Like, And Graphic. The Queen Is Huge. And Predator Is Like What Everyone Has Seen Before A Civilized Technolized Extra Terestia. But Alien Is Like So Evil, And So Uncivilized, And Takes Host To Countinue It's Survival.
i prefer preds but i hav 2 say that 1 thing i dont lik about them is how unrealistic they r, what r the odds that ANY intelegent alien lifefore would be a humanoid? think about it, theres only 1 bipedal, humanoids on the entire planet of earth!(humans...duh) at least with the aliens u hav a reason y they're humanoid(the dna reflex thing)
Predators. Aliens don't have that much depth like the Preds do. They're just a black monster with an inner mouth and a powerful(And sometimes greatly exaggerated) tail that just go around killing and incubating.
I like both, but Predators are a lot better, IMHO.
predator!!!!!!
That be a hard one! :-\ I love the PREDATOR, and the sort of story they made for him, but the ALIEN films were truly scary (except 3 & 4). Plus, the ALIEN films took place in space, or on a colonized planet, and the PREDATOR films were based on earth... c'mon, we need to see what the PREDATOR's are like outside of hunting humans.
Although Manely Alien...I Would Be Lying If I Didn't Say Both.
I really like the Alien design and it's brutallic nature, but as you can see I'm more into the Predator.
Predator 4 me
i mean they are strong, fast,sophisticated,have awesum weapons,
what more would u ask 4
Quote from: megachu17 on Oct 22, 2007, 12:32:34 AM
i prefer preds but i hav 2 say that 1 thing i dont lik about them is how unrealistic they r, what r the odds that ANY intelegent alien lifefore would be a humanoid? think about it, theres only 1 bipedal, humanoids on the entire planet of earth!(humans...duh) at least with the aliens u hav a reason y they're humanoid(the dna reflex thing)
its jus a coincedens. most aliens people say they see ae huminoid. i think walking on two legs has something to do with a more developed brain. i think i read about it in nationale geographit.
Quote from: brad873 on Oct 27, 2007, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: megachu17 on Oct 22, 2007, 12:32:34 AM
i prefer preds but i hav 2 say that 1 thing i dont lik about them is how unrealistic they r, what r the odds that ANY intelegent alien lifefore would be a humanoid? think about it, theres only 1 bipedal, humanoids on the entire planet of earth!(humans...duh) at least with the aliens u hav a reason y they're humanoid(the dna reflex thing)
its jus a coincedens. most aliens people say they see ae huminoid. i think walking on two legs has something to do with a more developed brain. i think i read about it in nationale geographit.
on earth, biologicly speaking, any alien race being bypedal and humanoid in general is virtually impossible.
Alien
Aliens for me Because i was always a Alien Fan when i first watch it when i was 10 in 70's, and thats why i created AVP-TCG
Xenomorph. :P
1. Xenomorphs are considered 'fast-learning', quickly understanding cause and effect.
2. It uses the host's DNA to augment its own and acquire any useful traits that the host has garnered through natural selection.
3. Xenomorph blood is an extremely potent acid similar to sulfuric acid and is capable of dissolving on contact almost any substance with alarming speed.
4. Adult Xenomorphs are quick and agile, and can run along ceilings and walls, a skill they exhibit freely whether they are evading others, attacking, or hunting prey.
5. They can survive in extreme temperatures, are well-adapted to swimming, and can survive in vacuum for unknown lengths of time.
mostly i like them because they dont rely on weapons and gadgets for attack or survival
That's a pretty tough question to answer.... Aliens for one have a crazy life/breeding cycle, are meaner then mean, have the craziest bite I've ever scene, scarier than shit, and have no emotions.
Predators on the other hand are intelligent (which makes them more in depth), have technology, Kill for sport, Have the craziest weapons ever, and have no fear. Or if they do have fear, choose to ignore it, which is effing badass.
For me, Predators are slightly in the lead, but I think aliens is my favorite movie ever... haha
Predators hands down! I think the Aliens are cool too but when it all comes down to it, the Predators are bad ass. The Xenomorph in itself is one hell of an alien life form and one of the most dangerous at that, but the Predators are just an awesome force of bad-assery. (thanks to stan winston of course. without him we would probably wouldn't have this thread)
I root for Predators because:
- They are merciless stealth hunters who use brute strength to tear enemies apart with Wristblades and Plasma Cannon
- They believe in honor (just like I do)
- Capable of speaking English in their own voice by simply learning at the start (playing back voices of unsuspecting prey)
I have to say Predators. They have the looks, the style, the weapons, and the means to kick ass and take names. Also, they respect those who earn it. What do the Aliens do? They just bite it's head off or burst from it's chest. Cool, but not cool enough. Also, Preds can turn invisible. Aliens can't.
well this is a hard one, i like preds but come on aliens are the ultimate monster, The first alien is creepy cause of the design and they are complete, emotionless killing machines, they are designed not to feel anything and kill anything in their path, thts freakin sweet
Predator. Big game hunters/Warriors, with true warrior spirit and honor.
Its a hard one by Aliens win me over, because (others have said this) their spectacular design. The look of them is scary and enchanting. The kills these things lay on people is just so cruel sometimes but we need a non stop killing machine that has no mercy, even for a baby.
Predators. They brought me in the franchise, after all. :)
But the alien is also amazing and that's deffinetly how I would imagine an alien species, I'm a bit too tired of all the UFO's and intelligent gray/green tall creatures with big black eyes.
Aliens! No competition there.
Aliens are a living weapon. Everything about them screams death. They have stealth, they're smart, they have weapons built into their body they don't need gadgetry and technology simply because they're perfect. Their tail, their claws, their strength, their inner-mouths, and even their blood make them the ultimate killing machine.
Put a predator in a room without his weapons, and set him against an alien. Predator's done. The only thing that makes AvP fair is the fact that predator has his weapons and technology. Celtic learned that the hard way.
Put a predator in a room without his weapons, and set him against an alien. Predator's done. The only thing that makes AvP fair is the fact that predator has his weapons and technology. Celtic learned that the hard way.
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I think AvP-R will show that the predators not done, can handle himself and is formidable against the alien. celtic's death was retarded. He could have killed grid at the end but Anderson thought it would be cool if he did nothing and let himself get headbit.
wow, even I feel like a little kid after a spanking... and I had nothing to do with it. Too angry, I choose to smile. ;D
i like them both...
I like Alien because they are funny,fast and Agile...
they both have they're strengths and weaknesses...
for example Predator would be screwed if you took his weaponry,armour and technology away...
Aliens are natural born killers who don't need technology and weaponary because well we've seen how Grid Alien took out two Preds...
Predator only appears strong because of their weaponry, armour and Technology...take that away Predators done for...
you've seen how Grid Alien took out Celtic...
i'd have to say Alien has the upper hand in combat...
but i also have to point out that 6-7 Aliens against three Predators ain't exactly a fair fight is it?
i like them both but Alien wins my vote...
Quote from: Predator_fan on Nov 14, 2007, 10:00:12 PM
I like Alien because they are funny...
Got my curiosity aroused. What makes them funny?
Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 14, 2007, 10:19:02 PM
Quote from: Predator_fan on Nov 14, 2007, 10:00:12 PM
I like Alien because they are funny...
Got my curiosity aroused. What makes them funny?
haha yeah I saw that too
I don't think I've ever seen an Alien with a sense of humor... that would be interesting. Wait... no it wouldn't. ;D
I feel like a traitor either way I vote. This not cool! :-X
Vote Alien... you know you want to... Muahahahahaha!!! ;D
i choose the easy way...
pick both... ;D
i don't know why i said about Xenomorphs being funny...
i heard someone compare Alien to a cat :o
because they move gracefully likewise to cats...
lol...strange...
i'll shut up.
Ok I just voted Aliens becuase they had less votes.
Flaming Firefox, you voted aliens b/c they had less votes....
....oh thanks that makes a lot of %#$@ing sense.
do you even know wtf a vote is?
P.S.
preds
i love Yaut'ja they are so kool in the ways they take care of thier prey and thier honour system is amazing
'Cause there the baddest of the bad, MAN!!!
Aliens are mindless and stupid! Predators have Honnor like the Samuri. just look at the end of Predator 1 Arnold and the Predator fight hand to hand and the Predator dosn's hide like the cowordly alien.
PREDATORS RULE!!! ;D
I choose predators. Because they live by a code of honor that they will not break, they will die before they disgrace their clan. And they never back down, and never surrender. They dont take sh*t from anyone, and they WILL kill you if you get in their way.
To me, predators are Intelligent Hunters that dont have time for pathetic games, or "compassion" they take things seriously. I see aliens more as bugs. They use the same dynamics as bugs, Although Intelligent to a certain extent, its mostly instinctual, while the predator uses choice over instinct.
Predators FTW.
Aliens because they are just so awesome and cool and could rough up any Predator even if it died (because of the acid). Plus Aliens have a great reproductive method which is really cool to watch but quite unfortunate to the person/Predator/creature it happers to.
VOTE ALIEN! :)
Predators,def.I love how unearthly aliens are,but they way the predator looks and hunts,the trophy skulls and all that is just amazing.They actually have a culture of some kind,and their technology just kicks ass!Plus one of them makes arnie bleed,which is good to see.
Predator 55 %
Alien 45%
dunno why but Predator justs edges it for me
For me...
Predator 51 % - cuz of the whole hunter's code, cool weapons, ships, battle skills, etc.
Alien 49% - no matter how much they get their ass kicked, they always manage to proliferate elsewhere
I say predator.
i kno i kno, many say, alien got the armored skin, teeth, tail, slime (eewwww), and acid. BUT, predators are smarter, 1 predator is better than any alien, guns are an advantage a superor warrior has, so, predator is superior.
ps. PREDATOR WIN!
Alien is the most awesome thing I have ever seen. I vote for predator.
Joking! Alien all the way!
Predator,DUH,they are sweet! 8)
When aliens are cornered,they run like hell.
Pred.'s,when they're cornered, they take off everything and fight w/2 fists and a small blade.
If aliens were better they would have won in avp....wait scratch that....bad exaple....they won....woops...why am i writing this.....Predator all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Aug 13, 2007, 08:20:34 PM
Aliens are naturally deadly. Predators use technology.
"Hello" from germany!
Exactly my way of thinkin, m8!
Since the first Alien Movie i'm with these creatures. They're fighting and survining by just using natural ressources!
I fell in love with their shape, with all the mysteries surrounding it...
Judging just the creature and its way of life and to survive, i'm not conciddering the movies.
If one day one would ask me if the aliens should use technology i would say - no, why the hell!
A monster for me is frightfull and nasty and in addition a good killer or fighter because of its natural conception - not because it is armed or it is using stand-off weapons.
Yearrr i'm with the aliens despite the fact that most times they are just canon fodder - more than ever they are just canon fodder i'm with them!
Its much more honourable if one alien kills one pred than one pred kills hundreds of aliens.
In this way .....
Hey guys
Wow lots of Predator fans out there incase you didn already figure, yes im a Predator fan all the way
I've been in fear of the (don laugh) ;D now i think they are the kewlest, lyk futuristic (with a slightly primitive appearance) and ugly Samurai!! lol
They gots honour, high intelligence and come on one pred can take on an Alien queen by itself (with bare hands btw!!!) don believe, read AVP: Prey (first ever novel for AVP franchise...i think lol). They are jus all round kewl i mean look at Concrete Jungle for the PS2, okay it was a crap game, but you gotta admit the weapons kicked ass, I LUV THE GLAIVE hehehe. They are somewhat misunderstood, i mean okay so they are to blame for the Alien infestation in the universe what with puting the unblooded to the test and desciplining the young bloods.
I could go on forever (maybe went on for too long already.. :P)
Preds rule, aliens are aliens, but definitely the best aliens in all sci-fi movies (if tat makes sense) 8)
http://world7.monstersgame.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=113073058
The Aliens. They are raw, ruthless, and down right mean...
A predator won't kill anything that does not give it honor....exp, a child with a toy gun......ya'll know what an alien would of done....grabbed his a$$ up and fed him to a facehugger....THAT is scary. All they are about is survival....a parasite that ruins worlds, and destroys life......sounds like.....people
Deffenatly Alien they look like lizards and lizards and lizards are awesome 8) ;D
Quote from: Predalien8675309 on Dec 06, 2007, 12:53:13 AM
Deffenatly Alien they look like lizards and lizards and lizards are awesome 8) ;D
Huh?
Quote from: unblooded101 on Dec 01, 2007, 12:52:16 PM
Predator,DUH,they are sweet! 8)
When aliens are cornered,they run like hell.
Pred.'s,when they're cornered, they take off everything and fight w/2 fists and a small blade.
If aliens were better they would have won in avp....wait scratch that....bad exaple....they won....woops...why am i writing this.....Predator all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, does anybody else remember aliens running?
Quote from: Dr. Wren on Dec 08, 2007, 03:22:16 AM
Quote from: unblooded101 on Dec 01, 2007, 12:52:16 PM
Predator,DUH,they are sweet! 8)
When aliens are cornered,they run like hell.
Pred.'s,when they're cornered, they take off everything and fight w/2 fists and a small blade.
If aliens were better they would have won in avp....wait scratch that....bad exaple....they won....woops...why am i writing this.....Predator all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, does anybody else remember aliens running?
I was thinking that, I can't remember any aliens running, I can remember predator running away from Mac after he killed Blain, and running from Danny glover all through the end of predator 2 ;D
I think I signed a neutrality pact between the two species. I'll have to check with my lawyer 8)
Regardless I gave the Aliens my vote for the mere fact that they are behind. If it was tied up it would be perfect with me.
Not an easy choice...They are both cool. If we look at the Aliens we see a not verry developed organisms..don't know if they have their own minds, or are they controled by their queen (this sounds like Borg from ST)...But if they are not developed and smart what keeps their race alive on and on? Predators are also cool, but they are nobody without their weapons...If they fight arm-to-arm (Predators without weapons) Aliens would exterminate Predators, but who's lookin'...The life ain't fare so Predators allways win lol. I love the tence atmosphere in Alien movies and the growling and the beeping sound of motion detectore
I say Predator, cool helmet and really creative and deadly weapons...being able to cloak ...the list could go on...Alien is definetly scarier though.. i love both vote goes to Alien
Predators. They're not animals who just kill & reproduce.
are they really animals
2 distinct rases and way of life PREDS RULE AND ALIENS DRUEL (LITERLY) YUCK
aliens are cool too, love the scene where the aliens are punching their way through the steel door in aliens... :)
Quote from: PredClanLeadrr85 on Dec 10, 2007, 02:31:57 AM
are they really animals
They seem to be intelligent life forms to me. They did know how to cut the power in
Aliens. ;)
Predator since they have the best technology and honor.
I vote the Predator because his technology and how he kills his prey.
Quote from: Ellen Ripley on Dec 11, 2007, 04:05:36 PM
Predator since they have the best technology and honor.
Could be wrong, but I don't believe the Aliens really have
technology.
Predator, of course! ;D Aliens...they are ANIMALS! :o
Quote from: Predator Warrior on Dec 12, 2007, 03:25:54 AM
I vote the Predator because his technology and how he kills his prey.
I must agree but whe as Pred fans must also give some points to the Aliens coz they also have good points! Preds just have more
Quote from: Resurrection on Dec 12, 2007, 08:50:44 PM
Quote from: Ellen Ripley on Dec 11, 2007, 04:05:36 PM
Predator since they have the best technology and honor.
Could be wrong, but I don't believe the Aliens really have technology.
I don't believe the Aliens really
need technology
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Quote from: Resurrection on Dec 12, 2007, 08:50:44 PM
Quote from: Ellen Ripley on Dec 11, 2007, 04:05:36 PM
Predator since they have the best technology and honor.
Could be wrong, but I don't believe the Aliens really have technology.
I don't believe the Aliens really need technology
They don't but the Predators do. . . Though, I wonder how a Pred would do against an Xenomorph.
Quote from: BlkSoul on Dec 13, 2007, 01:03:11 PM
Quote from: Predator Warrior on Dec 12, 2007, 03:25:54 AM
I vote the Predator because his technology and how he kills his prey.
I must agree but whe as Pred fans must also give some points to the Aliens coz they also have good points! Preds just have more
Aliens has good points too. Acid for blood, require a host to breed, they adapt to any environment, etc. Just responding to the subject, Alien or Predator.
Quote from: BlkSoul on Dec 13, 2007, 01:03:11 PM
I must agree but whe as Pred fans must also give some points to the Aliens coz they also have good points! Preds just have more
I'm with you! Predators are the coolest and strongest humanoid aliens in the galaxy and they are not to be trifled with!
Much difficult change... :-\
Preds, because we can relae to them......like us having the same bodyshape etc.
And Predators run much faster than us humans.
I loved the myriad of masks they have, especially Wolf Predator's and it's got a mask collection of it's own!
The predator because its everything im not, eg. strong, ignorant, proud etc.....
I would say Predators (Yatjua), they are just too cool. They are the truly superior species (of the three)!
I pick aliens now because they are so adaptable and so many types.
Quote from: Chaim Witz on Dec 18, 2007, 08:00:12 PM
I pick aliens now because they are so adaptable and so many types.
Yeah, they can blend in and adapt to anything there is around to overcome their prey/enemies.
Here is how I break it down:
If the situation involves a fixed number of Predators inside an Alien hive, who chooses not to (or cannot) escape the hive, then it's merely a matter of time until the relentless swarm of Aliens overwhelms the Predators. In this situation, the Aliens pwn the hardest.
Aliens - 1
Predator - 0
If, on the other hand, the situation involves an open-space, where the Predator run freely and use vertical space to his advantage, he can probably blast Aliens all day long with his laser-cannon before anyone of them get close. Then again, I don't know - maybe even there, the Aliens could still get him, given enough time. They're some clever, cunning, relentless motherf**kers. It's possible. But the Predator certainly has the upper hand in this situation.
Aliens - 1
Predator - 1
When we're talking about 1-on-1, up-close combat with no use of weapons, then the Alien has more advantages. They are simply designed to be the most naturally dangerous organism EVER. They have like, a 15 ft. long tail that will easily penetrate a Predators body. They're strong as hell. The Alien that penetrated the Predator with its tail, even lifted the Predator with it. They can spit acid and melt their victim's existence. They can tear shit up with their claws, and get really nasty with their secondary mandibles. And this is just the ordinary, standard drone based from a human host we're talking about.
Aliens - 2
Predator - 1
Aliens win, 2:1. And THAT, is why the Predator considers them the "Ultimate Prey". Because they know they're HARD to beat.
QuoteWhen we're talking about 1-on-1, up-close combat with no use of weapons, then the Alien has more advantages. They are simply designed to be the most naturally dangerous organism EVER. They have like, a 15 ft. long tail that will easily penetrate a Predators body. They're strong as hell. The Alien that penetrated the Predator with its tail, even lifted the Predator with it. They can spit acid and melt their victim's existence. They can tear shit up with their claws, and get really nasty with their secondary mandibles. And this is just the ordinary, standard drone based from a human host we're talking about.
So sorry but I disagree... For one, the predator is smarter than the alien which gives him such a huge advantage it's scary. If they are both equally strong( which to, I don't agree, think the predator is about 15% stronger) the alien is going to lose. Especially if the predator is a experienced warrior who knows how the aliens operate. When you know what your enemy is all about, you are expected to win. He's a hunter, the aliens are the hunted. Period. The weapons of the predator are also a HUGE advantage to the aliens close quarter combat skills. He can blast, slice, spear, blow up, throw at, lift, cut, and disintagrate anything in it's path, plus can see anything before it can see it!?!?!?! So many weapons at his disposal it's stupid...... How can you possibly tell me he has the disadvantage?.........
I know you said without weapons, but when does a predator ever go on a hunt unarmed? Doesn't make sense. Even with it's wristblades alone, he knows how to counter the alien. The alien doesn't know what his enemy has in store for him, he goes in blind.
Quote from: JMR on Dec 19, 2007, 08:30:51 AM
QuoteWhen we're talking about 1-on-1, up-close combat with no use of weapons, then the Alien has more advantages. They are simply designed to be the most naturally dangerous organism EVER. They have like, a 15 ft. long tail that will easily penetrate a Predators body. They're strong as hell. The Alien that penetrated the Predator with its tail, even lifted the Predator with it. They can spit acid and melt their victim's existence. They can tear shit up with their claws, and get really nasty with their secondary mandibles. And this is just the ordinary, standard drone based from a human host we're talking about.
So sorry but I disagree... For one, the predator is smarter than the alien which gives him such a huge advantage it's scary. If they are both equally strong( which to, I don't agree, think the predator is about 15% stronger) the alien is going to lose. Especially if the predator is a experienced warrior who knows how the aliens operate. When you know what your enemy is all about, you are expected to win. He's a hunter, the aliens are the hunted. Period. The weapons of the predator are also a HUGE advantage to the aliens close quarter combat skills. He can blast, slice, spear, blow up, throw at, lift, cut, and disintagrate anything in it's path, plus can see anything before it can see it!?!?!?! So many weapons at his disposal it's stupid...... How can you possibly tell me he has the disadvantage?.........
I know you said without weapons, but when does a predator ever go on a hunt unarmed? Doesn't make sense. Even with it's wristblades alone, he knows how to counter the alien. The alien doesn't know what his enemy has in store for him, he goes in blind.
What i think its this, to me its simple....."The predator has always got the edge because he is the hunter, and the aliens are the hunted.........but thats until there ignorance causes them to make a mistake and thats when the alien makes its move.."
Aliens are acting solely on it's instincts whereas Predators have a good sense of honor, respect and brutality. So the Predators have a very good chance against the pesky Aliens they are dealing with as the Predators themselves have a good knowledge of the Aliens, their weakness and origins.
Quote from: Clyde Wyman on Dec 19, 2007, 12:46:43 PM
Aliens are acting solely on it's instincts whereas Predators have a good sense of honor, respect and brutality. So the Predators have a very good chance against the pesky Aliens they are dealing with as the Predators themselves have a good knowledge of the Aliens, their weakness and origins.
I got to agree with Clyde. And some others coz take AVP where Celtic tosses grid all over the place!
And i can hear ppl say (BUT GRID KILLED CELTIC) i know Celtic Deid coz he got COCCY if he wasn't he would have killed Grid! ;D
Quote from: BlkSoul on Dec 20, 2007, 06:50:40 AM
Quote from: Clyde Wyman on Dec 19, 2007, 12:46:43 PM
Aliens are acting solely on it's instincts whereas Predators have a good sense of honor, respect and brutality. So the Predators have a very good chance against the pesky Aliens they are dealing with as the Predators themselves have a good knowledge of the Aliens, their weakness and origins.
I got to agree with Clyde. And some others coz take AVP where Celtic tosses grid all over the place!
And i can hear ppl say (BUT GRID KILLED CELTIC) i know Celtic Deid coz he got COCCY if he wasn't he would have killed Grid! ;D
Yeah, preds always got the advantage in a fight, unless this is more then on alien. but preds have edge on a one on one fight untill the pred makes a mistake then the alien capitilizes on it.....
Quote from: BlkSoul on Dec 20, 2007, 06:50:40 AM
I got to agree with Clyde. And some others coz take AVP where Celtic tosses grid all over the place!
And i can hear ppl say (BUT GRID KILLED CELTIC) i know Celtic Deid coz he got COCCY if he wasn't he would have killed Grid! ;D
That's right, my friend. Besides, Celtic Predator is still a young and haughty warrior and got killed because of it's pride or haughtiness.
Quote from: Clyde Wyman on Dec 20, 2007, 09:05:10 AM
Quote from: BlkSoul on Dec 20, 2007, 06:50:40 AM
I got to agree with Clyde. And some others coz take AVP where Celtic tosses grid all over the place!
And i can hear ppl say (BUT GRID KILLED CELTIC) i know Celtic Deid coz he got COCCY if he wasn't he would have killed Grid! ;D
That's right, my friend. Besides, Celtic Predator is still a young and haughty warrior and got killed because of it's pride or haughtiness.
Thanx some one gets my piont!!!!!
Quote from: BlkSoul on Dec 20, 2007, 09:44:54 AM
Thanx some one gets my piont!!!!!
Of course I do get your point, yo!
Celtic was playing around with grid, but then he underestimated the danger's of the xenomorph then he died....
Quote from: Optimus Prime on Dec 20, 2007, 11:35:00 AM
Celtic was playing around with grid, but then he underestimated the danger's of the xenomorph then he died....
Yes, the Celtic Predator could have actually defeated the Grid Alien in no time, if not for it's haughtiness that have overshadowed it.
Quote from: Clyde Wyman on Dec 20, 2007, 11:39:54 AM
Quote from: Optimus Prime on Dec 20, 2007, 11:35:00 AM
Celtic was playing around with grid, but then he underestimated the danger's of the xenomorph then he died....
Yes, the Celtic Predator could have actually defeated the Grid Alien in no time, if not for it's haughtiness that have overshadowed it.
He was over confident and cocky, like mayn humans today....
Quote from: Optimus Prime on Dec 20, 2007, 11:42:37 AM
He was over confident and cocky, like mayn humans today....
Trust me, Predators are no different from us. Both are violent, primitive and haughty.
Quote from: Clyde Wyman on Dec 20, 2007, 11:46:38 AM
Quote from: Optimus Prime on Dec 20, 2007, 11:42:37 AM
He was over confident and cocky, like mayn humans today....
Trust me, Predators are no different from us. Both are violent, primitive and haughty.
We just dont see are own faults because we dont like to know were not perfect....
Quote from: Optimus Prime on Dec 20, 2007, 11:50:01 AM
We just dont see are own faults because we dont like to know were not perfect....
True, true...
I don't know whether or not the Gill Predator is a bad blood, but it could be assumed that it is because it attempted to kill Lex despite the fact that she is unarmed. And hey, I didn't say that this is real and concrete evidence, this is just merely an assumption.
I voted for Aliens, as I find their physique to be much more interesting than the humanoid Predators. Their honorary system just makes them more human, me thinks.
Quote from: Clyde Wyman on Dec 20, 2007, 12:03:49 PM
Quote from: Optimus Prime on Dec 20, 2007, 11:50:01 AM
We just dont see are own faults because we dont like to know were not perfect....
True, true...
I don't know whether or not the Gill Predator is a bad blood, but it could be assumed that it is because it attempted to kill Lex despite the fact that she is unarmed. And hey, I didn't say that this is real and concrete evidence, this is just merely an assumption.
YEah, well she showed potential danger when she tryed to hit celtic....so chopper new if he turned his back on her she might try it again....
I would say Predator they have all the good weapons unlike Aliens(They only have the tail and little mouth).
Quote from: Optimus Prime on Dec 21, 2007, 05:09:17 AM
YEah, well she showed potential danger when she tryed to hit celtic....so chopper new if he turned his back on her she might try it again....
I see... Since I've only watched the movie on cinemas, I might consider getting the DVD to watch it again.
And alas, both Chopper Predator and Celtic Predator got their heads being bitten off by the Grid Alien, because of their pride and haughtiness.
Quote from: Clyde Wyman on Dec 21, 2007, 09:35:49 AM
Quote from: Optimus Prime on Dec 21, 2007, 05:09:17 AM
YEah, well she showed potential danger when she tryed to hit celtic....so chopper new if he turned his back on her she might try it again....
I see... Since I've only watched the movie on cinemas, I might consider getting the DVD to watch it again.
And alas, both Chopper Predator and Celtic Predator got their heads being bitten off by the Grid Alien, because of their pride and haughtiness.
NO chopper was just careless! coz lez dnt have a weapon on her exp for the caster if i remember?
And alas, both Chopper Predator and Celtic Predator got their heads being bitten off by the Grid Alien, because of their pride and haughtiness. me agree
Have to say predator
Predator it is.
Both are really cool. But there's more to a predator than an alien.
Designs cast aside on this matter.
Yautja are my thing. As all have say it, They cool desing, advanced weaponry and they little like Samurais,They have code of Honnor. M-di H'dlak
Aliens for me.
grew up with them.
that is all.
Quote from: Neukku on Dec 23, 2007, 11:05:38 AM
Yautja are my thing. As all have say it, They cool desing, advanced weaponry and they little like Samurais,They have code of Honnor. M-di H'dlak
what's your translation for "
m-di h'dlak"
???
Quote from: War Wager on Aug 15, 2007, 04:23:33 PM
A lot of people seem to think this site is full of Pred fans, which isn't true. Sure theres more Preddies but we do have a small Alien army... ;D
I will be your Pure-bred Carrier in your army.
Aliens..the first movie I saw when I was like 7 was Alien and it won me over. I think it is the Mystery and Mythos behind them. You don't know where they came from or who or what made them or found them. The questions are endless.
Aliens just rule.
See, the thing with a Predator vs. an Alien is like this. The Aliens run on instinct, born knowing what to kill and how to do it. Predators are not like that. They are taught it. The Alien is already vicious, no matter what the Predator did it could not match it in ferocity. The Alien could defeat a Predator because it was born being able to. The Alien could kill a Predator, no matter how many mistakes, but if the Predator made one, it would have to come up with something entirely new on the spot. One was born to kill, one was not. Aliens win.
Although i saw aliens first i prefer the predators like Neukku said they have a code of honor like samurai, and i find that really interesting
Quote from: Two-Stripes on Dec 23, 2007, 09:14:36 PM
Quote from: Neukku on Dec 23, 2007, 11:05:38 AM
Yautja are my thing. As all have say it, They cool desing, advanced weaponry and they little like Samurais,They have code of Honnor. M-di H'dlak
what's your translation for "m-di h'dlak"
???
Yautja language ;)
M-di H'dlak= No fear
more info: http://www.thehunted.tk/
;D Aliens because they are the more of a creative creature. i mean it has acid for blood a face hugger puts an egg down your throat. best creature design ever then Predator. I mean any one can make a monster but not a good one. Predator is still coal. Just the ALIEN is more creative. 8)
"I admire its purity."
predators had the technology to extinct the whole human race, they had it for thousands of years, but they didnt. they are skilled, aggressive killers, but in the end they are driven by emotions or rules, their behavior is influenceable.
the alien was created to survive, to kill, to conquer any world and wipe out civilisations. its a weapon that killed its master, a virus that awaits us everywhere in space, in places where we wouldnt expect it to be...
for me it has always been a metaphor for our selfdestruction.
companies try to tame it but this is not possible, it causes death wherever it comes in contact with us.
the alien is the most horrific sci-fi-creature that has ever been created, its the materialized death.
Quote from: Canon Fodder on Dec 31, 2007, 02:26:57 PM
"I admire its purity."
predators had the technology to extinct the whole human race, they had it for thousands of years, but they didnt. they are skilled, aggressive killers, but in the end they are driven by emotions or rules, their behavior is influenceable.
the alien was created to survive, to kill, to conquer any world and wipe out civilisations. its a weapon that killed its master, a virus that awaits us everywhere in space, in places where we wouldnt expect it to be...
for me it has always been a metaphor for our selfdestruction.
companies try to tame it but this is not possible, it causes death wherever it comes in contact with us.
the alien is the most horrific sci-fi-creature that has ever been created, its the materialized death.
I agree 100% The Yautja is technologically superior but when you really think about it that's all it's edge really comes from,without it's weapons it loses it's edge in battle,The Xenomorph on the other hand is itself a weapon,THE perfect weapon,an animal with devastating potential.....faster and stronger than the predator....come on the whole f**king tail picked up a pred...The Predator has to go through years and years of training while the Alien is born with it's inherit natural deadly abilities.Like I said once the pred has lost it's weapons even a human can somewhat go hand to hand with it,you never see a human brawl an alien...why? because the alien doesn't play....doesn't take it's time...it just does what it was created to do.....kill.The Alien is the hand of death itself ;D
predators are the ghost's of the jungle.....beat that ^ ;)
Quote from: the Joker on Jan 03, 2008, 01:00:40 PM
predators are the ghost's of the jungle.....beat that ^ ;)
Not Without hes camouflage
they dont depend on the camoflouge, it just makes them that little more deadly.....
While the Aliens are indeed a fearsome and terrifying creature they're simply animals who're single minded on reproducing (to the point of absorbing all natural resources... like a virus) , which are impossible to relate to and impossible to admire for that reason.
The Predators are very much like us.
They're not a super creature designed, by nature or another race, to be an all but unstoppable force. They make up for their own physical failings with technology, which while advanced beyond our own has an archaic feel to it as if it's somehow old (let's face it a lot of our weapons haven't changed their basic design in hundreds of years). They hunt game but do so in way that does preserve a viable stock, as opposed to the Xenos who just infest/kill everything.
They have emotions, are sentient, and have an undeniable sense of honour. In short there's a lot us in them, it makes it easy to relate to them (certainly when compared to the Xenos) and thus makes it easier to respect and admire them.
tough call.
The preds are badass and have some character to them, and I think I've seen Predator more times that any of the Alien films, but only by a little.
But I guess I'd have to say the alien because love alien design and concept (the perfect organism; makes me sad how thats been so diluted of late) and as a creature find it far more formidable.
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"I admire its purity."
predators had the technology to extinct the whole human race, they had it for thousands of years, but they didnt. they are skilled, aggressive killers, but in the end they are driven by emotions or rules, their behavior is influenceable.
the alien was created to survive, to kill, to conquer any world and wipe out civilisations. its a weapon that killed its master, a virus that awaits us everywhere in space, in places where we wouldnt expect it to be...
for me it has always been a metaphor for our selfdestruction.
companies try to tame it but this is not possible, it causes death wherever it comes in contact with us.
the alien is the most horrific sci-fi-creature that has ever been created, its the materialized death.
...Like I said once the pred has lost it's weapons even a human can somewhat go hand to hand with it...
Predator are very strong, not so strong like Alien....but much more than a average human :)
I like both of them....but i admire Predator (a little more)
The preds why? well because the hole pred. consept are better i think
Predators in my opinion. Not by much though.
I prever Predators because they think before they leap in most cases and they are more sceary than aleins, but i give alein their deue they also kick but
Ok i think alien is the most bad ass creture ever it kills whatever it wants too it has no pity and it looks plan awsome. It just needs to be a little smart like the aliens were in alien resurrection when i was eight years old and i saw the alien i feel in love with it but then i met predator 8). I like predator also because it is a humanoid kind of alien and it is bad ass the predators have a since of honor a law a civilization aliens don't know any thing but to kill and reproduce. Aliens are way better than the predators if they get the jump on them first but a predator can take them on head on. The only thing about predators if they lose they blow everything up around them. KInda of a sore loser but i get what they are trying to do. I never liked alien as much when i found out about the predator but when i knew they had a predalien that was my favorite it was bad ass it had no pity it was smart cunning and a freaking brute but at the end of the day when i set down and look at an avp comic book i am always rooting for predator. So my pick between alien and predator is Predator. ;)
just asking how long can an Alein live without food if they kill everything that makes them kinda dumb dnt u think. Thats why i like Predators they hunt and eat in moderation.
^, i dont think they need to eat, but if they do it might be the stuff they secrete.....if they were meants to be a biological weapon i doubt they would be un-amune to the simple thing as eating, unless they were designed to die out eventually so who ever was using them could inhabit the planet....makes ya think dont it??
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^, i dont think they need to eat, but if they do it might be the stuff they secrete.....if they were meants to be a biological weapon i doubt they would be un-amune to the simple thing as eating, unless they were designed to die out eventually so who ever was using them could inhabit the planet....makes ya think dont it??
True but how long do they survive coz take aleins when the USM got there thy where alive and if i remeber corectly it took them a while to get from the space station to the planet the aleins where on.
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Quote from: Convict on Jan 10, 2008, 08:38:50 AM
^, i dont think they need to eat, but if they do it might be the stuff they secrete.....if they were meants to be a biological weapon i doubt they would be un-amune to the simple thing as eating, unless they were designed to die out eventually so who ever was using them could inhabit the planet....makes ya think dont it??
True but how long do they survive coz take aleins when the USM got there thy where alive and if i remeber corectly it took them a while to get from the space station to the planet the aleins where on.
look how long the original Queen survived,she must have been there on planet for Thousands of years
Quote from: The "Dragon" on Jan 10, 2008, 08:51:59 AM
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Quote from: Convict on Jan 10, 2008, 08:38:50 AM
^, i dont think they need to eat, but if they do it might be the stuff they secrete.....if they were meants to be a biological weapon i doubt they would be un-amune to the simple thing as eating, unless they were designed to die out eventually so who ever was using them could inhabit the planet....makes ya think dont it??
True but how long do they survive coz take aleins when the USM got there thy where alive and if i remeber corectly it took them a while to get from the space station to the planet the aleins where on.
look how long the original Queen survived,she must have been there on planet for Thousands of years
In wich movie? Im i bit outdated with them
Quotelook how long the original Queen survived,she must have been there on planet for Thousands of years
are you talking about the queen in the movie aliens? if so she coiuld have easily bursted from one ofthe colonists, theres nothing to say she was there for thousands of years....
Quote from: Convict on Jan 10, 2008, 09:03:09 AM
Quotelook how long the original Queen survived,she must have been there on planet for Thousands of years
are you talking about the queen in the movie aliens? if so she coiuld have easily bursted from one ofthe colonists, theres nothing to say she was there for thousands of years....
True that why i want to know wich movie hes talking about
Quote from: Convict on Jan 10, 2008, 09:03:09 AM
Quotelook how long the original Queen survived,she must have been there on planet for Thousands of years
are you talking about the queen in the movie aliens? if so she coiuld have easily bursted from one ofthe colonists, theres nothing to say she was there for thousands of years....
Then who laid the eggs?
Quote from: The "Dragon" on Jan 10, 2008, 09:12:09 AM
Quote from: Convict on Jan 10, 2008, 09:03:09 AM
Quotelook how long the original Queen survived,she must have been there on planet for Thousands of years
are you talking about the queen in the movie aliens? if so she coiuld have easily bursted from one ofthe colonists, theres nothing to say she was there for thousands of years....
Then who laid the eggs?
sorry let me re-quote it
Then who laid the eggs that were seen in Alien?
QuoteThen who laid the eggs?
Whos to say that the queen that layed those eggs were on the derelect ship??
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 10, 2008, 09:00:05 AM
Quote from: The "Dragon" on Jan 10, 2008, 08:51:59 AM
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Quote from: Convict on Jan 10, 2008, 08:38:50 AM
^, i dont think they need to eat, but if they do it might be the stuff they secrete.....if they were meants to be a biological weapon i doubt they would be un-amune to the simple thing as eating, unless they were designed to die out eventually so who ever was using them could inhabit the planet....makes ya think dont it??
True but how long do they survive coz take aleins when the USM got there thy where alive and if i remeber corectly it took them a while to get from the space station to the planet the aleins where on.
look how long the original Queen survived,she must have been there on planet for Thousands of years
In wich movie? Im i bit outdated with them
I was talking about The Queen seen in Aliens,screw the first AVP,just so you know I will NEVER refer to something seen of done in paul anderson's retarted AVP movie
Quote from: Convict on Jan 10, 2008, 09:14:20 AM
QuoteThen who laid the eggs?
Whos to say that the queen that layed those eggs were on the derelect ship??
yes you gotta point there BUT the aliens have never popped up anywhere else,and even in AR that military dude said "Ellen Ripley died trying to wipe out the species....by all intentions she succeded" which would refer to when she blew up LV422 meaning that the aliens were only on LV422 meaning that the queen must have been there the whole time MEANING that she's the one who laid those eggs *gasps for air* lol
Quotesorry let me re-quote it
Then who laid the eggs that were seen in Alien?
well its a theory that the space jockeys could have been moving them, but then one got away....
Quote from: The "Dragon" on Jan 10, 2008, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: Convict on Jan 10, 2008, 09:14:20 AM
QuoteThen who laid the eggs?
Whos to say that the queen that layed those eggs were on the derelect ship??
yes you gotta point there BUT the aliens have never popped up anywhere else,and even in AR that military dude said "Ellen Ripley died trying to wipe out the species....by all intentions she succeded" which would refer to when she blew up LV422 meaning that the aliens were only on LV422 meaning that the queen must have been there the whole time MEANING that she's the one who laid those eggs *gasps for air* lol
But in Alein The eggs where in like a staicis like room and on a Spacejoky ship. it could have crashed there and there was no queen in Alein the first Queen was in Aleins after the colonist got there. i think
or the jockies could have originaly created the queen first which would make sense because without the queen there's no warrior caste.I myself think that the Queen seen in Aliens was the first Xenomorph ever created,but then again that's just me.The only person who would actually know this for sure would be Cameron...so meh *shrugs* it's up for grabs.The Xenomorph's long lifetime would add to the whole "Perfect Organism" idea
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 10, 2008, 09:26:08 AM
Quote from: The "Dragon" on Jan 10, 2008, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: Convict on Jan 10, 2008, 09:14:20 AM
QuoteThen who laid the eggs?
Whos to say that the queen that layed those eggs were on the derelect ship??
yes you gotta point there BUT the aliens have never popped up anywhere else,and even in AR that military dude said "Ellen Ripley died trying to wipe out the species....by all intentions she succeded" which would refer to when she blew up LV422 meaning that the aliens were only on LV422 meaning that the queen must have been there the whole time MEANING that she's the one who laid those eggs *gasps for air* lol
But in Alein The eggs where in like a staicis like room and on a Spacejoky ship. it could have crashed there and there was no queen in Alein the first Queen was in Aleins after the colonist got there. i think
The Nostromo crew also never got the chance to fully explore the crashed ship,so they could have missed the queen.
QuoteXenomorph's long lifetime would add to the whole "Perfect Organism" idea
True true, either one of us could be right.....
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Aliens for me because:
- they have a really cool design
- have an interseting life cycle
- most original (what I mean by that is that they are not civilised or sophisticated in any way. Predators believe in honour and have made their own weapons, clans, ships and probably religions, Aliens are just creatures from outer-space that have one drive and that is to breed and kill, thats original)
Predators for me because predators have cool gear and they are ultimate hunters.
Aliens for me, loved them since I was 11 years old, and being scared out of my wits by the very first alien movie (such a long long long time ago)
My reasons are they don't rely on technology and advanced cloaking skills, just the abilities and biological advantages they were born with. Also, they are the only movie monster that ever gave me nightmares.
Mind you, I'm very much looking forward to seeing what the predalien can do ;D
Predators Rule aliens just honetly Drooll alot.
No offence alien fans
i like preds more and i take it personaly when they are dissed.
My 1st post...seems appropriate that I should put it here.
Predator FTW. Why? Coz he's a badass mofo. Wolf and Anytime proved that.
You should've put in the introduction page. I got my eye on you DoomRulz...
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 23, 2008, 05:08:29 PM
You should've put in the introduction page. I got my eye on you DoomRulz...
:o Stealth mode: ACTIVATED!
I don't really understand Predator fan logic.They are a fan because they can relate, because they use technology, and they are like us.
In a monster, you don't want that. You want something that is completely different, something that you don't want to root for, something that doesn't need weapons because it's just that tough. And definately not something that is very similar to humans.
The Alien is very different. They are all those things. You don't relate to them, making them the complete and utter bad-guy. You don't know much about them, they don't rely on anything but themselves.
The Predator is something that is like a twisted human. It's a monser people. Not some kind of X-Man. Not some kind of cool good-guy freak.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jan 23, 2008, 10:52:01 PM
I don't really understand Predator fan logic.They are a fan because they can relate, because they use technology, and they are like us.
In a monster, you don't want that. You want something that is completely different, something that you don't want to root for, something that doesn't need weapons because it's just that tough. And definately not something that is very similar to humans.
The Alien is very different. They are all those things. You don't relate to them, making them the complete and utter bad-guy. You don't know much about them, they don't rely on anything but themselves.
The Predator is something that is like a twisted human. It's a monser people. Not some kind of X-Man. Not some kind of cool good-guy freak.
The Predator is not a monster. It doesn't kill just for the sake of killing. And before you get all pissy and scream WTF, let me explain.
The Predator hunts its victims. It doesn't just walk down the street and say "oh look, a human. i feel like dropping it". It actively hunts, like any modern predator does. The Predator is totally capable of showing mercy. Remember AvP? It let Weyland go when it realized it was choking him and saw his lungs were all messed up. It also doesn't kill anyone who isn't armed or threatening it in some way. It operates with a code of honour.
The alien on the other hand, is a mindless killing machine. All it knows is a) kill or b) capture to impregnate.
I cite the first Alien and Cameron's Queen taking shelter in a place of safety (which requires more cunning than a "mindless killing machine" has) as proof that it's more than a creature that runs into walls.
Both creatures are reflections of us without the warm human elements. The Predator is moral when it feels it convenient to be, and the Alien is like a human being with no definiton of consequence: it f**ks, it skull-f**ks, and then it makes babies.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jan 23, 2008, 11:15:52 PM
I cite the first Alien and Cameron's Queen taking shelter in a place of safety (which requires more cunning than a "mindless killing machine" has) as proof that it's more than a creature that runs into walls.
Both creatures are reflections of us without the warm human elements. The Predator is moral when it feels it convenient to be, and the Alien is like a human being with no definiton of consequence: it f**ks, it skull-f**ks, and then it makes babies.
How is the Predator moral when it feels like it? It's moral b/c it genuinely is so. It didn't have to let Weyland live, but Scar did anyway. The only reason Scar killed him was b/c Weyland attacked him.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 23, 2008, 10:56:51 PM
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jan 23, 2008, 10:52:01 PM
I don't really understand Predator fan logic.They are a fan because they can relate, because they use technology, and they are like us.
In a monster, you don't want that. You want something that is completely different, something that you don't want to root for, something that doesn't need weapons because it's just that tough. And definately not something that is very similar to humans.
The Alien is very different. They are all those things. You don't relate to them, making them the complete and utter bad-guy. You don't know much about them, they don't rely on anything but themselves.
The Predator is something that is like a twisted human. It's a monser people. Not some kind of X-Man. Not some kind of cool good-guy freak.
The Predator is not a monster. It doesn't kill just for the sake of killing. And before you get all pissy and scream WTF, let me explain.
The Predator hunts its victims. It doesn't just walk down the street and say "oh look, a human. i feel like dropping it". It actively hunts, like any modern predator does. The Predator is totally capable of showing mercy. Remember AvP? It let Weyland go when it realized it was choking him and saw his lungs were all messed up. It also doesn't kill anyone who isn't armed or threatening it in some way. It operates with a code of honour.
The alien on the other hand, is a mindless killing machine. All it knows is a) kill or b) capture to impregnate.
This is what I'm saying. You just proved my point. It was created to be a monster. It isn't supposed to show mercy. And when it does, it shows it because the prey is not worthy enough, so that's kind of like laughing at it. And a code of honor to a monster is kind of dumb. You don't want a monster to show mercy, you don't want a monster to be like a good-guy. You want it to be a monster.
Well i Like the Predators And the way they dn't kill people who aint armed or dieing.
The whole Monster killing everything gets a bit old.
That's OK, but what I want you to understand is this. They don't leave you out of mercy, they leave you because you are no sport. No challenge. Why waste their time?
But if you attack them they kill you with a kind of you just dnt do that did you.
Well no port or challange mean you aint worthy but it show compasion.
Take Bram stokers Dragcula. A MONSTER yet he loved a woman and dnt kill her.
But your'e reasoning is valid also.
Thank you, I agree that it could show compassion. I just doubt towards us. Also, one last question. How does it not killing you because you are not worthy enough show compassion?
Not killing you if your'e already dieing show that it reconizes your'e existens but not worthy for pray.
If you found a animal dying in the woods while you where hunting woulld you shoot it and tell youre frends you tracked and killed it with pride or self louthing?
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 24, 2008, 12:12:27 PM
Not killing you if your'e already dieing show that it reconizes your'e existens but not worthy for pray.
If you found a animal dying in the woods while you where hunting woulld you shoot it and tell youre frends you tracked and killed it with pride or self louthing?
In all honesty, if I came across a dying animal and it was suffering, I think killing it would be doing it a favour b/c it won't suffer anymore.
QuoteIn all honesty, if I came across a dying animal and it was suffering, I think killing it would be doing it a favour b/c it won't suffer anymore.
Ye, but thats not what a pred would do....
Quote from: Cloverfield Monster on Jan 24, 2008, 02:06:07 PM
QuoteIn all honesty, if I came across a dying animal and it was suffering, I think killing it would be doing it a favour b/c it won't suffer anymore.
Ye, but thats not what a pred would do....
No it wouldnt because it woudnt be worthy prey, and dont think preds are into mercy killings.
Predators are leader in poll. Why? ::)
Quote from: Russian_Predator on Jan 24, 2008, 06:07:28 PM
Predators are leader in poll. Why? ::)
Well they are in your name and avatar, so they must have made an impression ;)
Quote from: severen76 on Jan 24, 2008, 06:15:23 PM
Quote from: Russian_Predator on Jan 24, 2008, 06:07:28 PM
Predators are leader in poll. Why? ::)
Well they are in your name and avatar, so they must have made an impression ;)
hahahahaha, yep that might have somethin to do with it.... :D
predator
-why wouldnt you like them they're so amazing
-the wapons are so advanced
-they look soooooo cool ;D ;D
I wonder how a Predator would react to someone giving it a big ol'e hug...
I reckon Predators are the best.
They look a lot cooler as well...
I like the whole Primal yet Technologically Advanced thing they got going ;D
Quote from: avp123 on Jan 26, 2008, 03:45:42 AM
i dont think that anyone would want to give predator a hug, predator mite see it as a threat lol ;D
Even if a small child hugged it?
i like predator better
his desing is pretty cool and, weapons
i Like Predators and aliens about the same aliens 94% Predator 100%
Predators:
Why?
They have the best of both worlds: Our intelligence(if not, more), advanced technology and an enhanced alien physiology.
Their weapons and equip is all really cool, I like the fact that they have honor for some of their prey and they're just badass, plain and simple. They look awesome, the dreads. the cloak. the plasma caster. I mean....c'mon.
Who here doesn't want Wolf back he Rocked!!!
Quote from: Garo Predator on Jan 29, 2008, 12:49:56 AM
Who here doesn't want Wolf back he Rocked!!!
Meh, not much characterization on him anyway, so my answer is meh...
Aliens. Giger's original design is creepy and unlike any other monster, though Preds designs are amazing, it was only designed by a studio guy or whoever it was.
Quote from: Internecivus Raptus on Jan 30, 2008, 04:22:54 AM
Aliens. Giger's original design is creepy and unlike any other monster, though Preds designs are amazing, it was only designed by a studio guy or whoever it was.
Stan Winston
Quote from: Internecivus Raptus on Jan 30, 2008, 04:22:54 AM
Aliens. Giger's original design is creepy and unlike any other monster, though Preds designs are amazing, it was only designed by a studio guy or whoever it was.
Who built the Alien costumes?
And ya, I think most people would agree the Alien is the scariest looking creature in film history.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 30, 2008, 01:48:09 PM
Quote from: Internecivus Raptus on Jan 30, 2008, 04:22:54 AM
Aliens. Giger's original design is creepy and unlike any other monster, though Preds designs are amazing, it was only designed by a studio guy or whoever it was.
Who built the Alien costumes?
Giger Himself
I'm going to say alien. They are scarier than the predators and i think they look cooler
Quote from: Harkus on Feb 01, 2008, 08:41:50 PM
I'm going to say alien. They are scarier than the predators and i think they look cooler
I disagree. The Alien can hide in corners and such much more easily b/c of it's curvy shape. That gives them a huge advantage of surprise. Plus they just look more sleek.
The Predator is definitely the uglier creature though.
QuoteThat part really let me down at the theater due to the fact that I grew up reading AVP comics where it would take a gang of aliens to take out a predator. The formula that got me hooked on AVP was that the predators had strength in technology where the aliens had strength in numbers. This is one of the main reasons I'm not a huge fan of the AVP movie. Mr Anderson messed with the formula too much.
This post really got to me when I was reading this. I don't mean to sound mean, though. He was sort of right. P:redators do have strength in technology. B ut the Aliens' strength is not in numbers. Every single Alien is just as deadly as any Predator. Two or three Aliens against a Predator would be able to take it down. As long as it wasn't a plasma shooting-gallery. (AvP.)
What none of the comic fans bring up is that when the Predators did kill multiple Aliens the Predator was either armed with energy weapons or shown to be an experienced elder.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Feb 02, 2008, 07:28:08 AM
What none of the comic fans bring up is that when the Predators did kill multiple Aliens the Predator was either armed with energy weapons or shown to be an experienced elder.
Not always. In AvP #3, the first Predator went thru like 6 Aliens or so and was killed at the end; he was a youngin'.
not sure probably alien
[This post really got to me when I was reading this. I don't mean to sound mean, though. He was sort of right. P:redators do have strength in technology. B ut the Aliens' strength is not in numbers. Every single Alien is just as deadly as any Predator. Two or three Aliens against a Predator would be able to take it down. As long as it wasn't a plasma shooting-gallery. (AvP.)
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I think that to.I hate when it takes like 20 aliens to take a pred down. >:(
I like predators better, cool design. the way they hunt with stealth n their weapons
PREDATOR ALL THE WAY SON!!!!!
I like Predators for another reason, and I know this has been mentioned, I've seen it, but its weird, its one of the major things that intrigued me so much about them. They're so primal in the way they still have a hunter-gatherer society like we did when we first existed, yet they have such high-tech equipment like the cloaking and plasma caster, and they're supposedly smarter than us!! :o Thats just, awesome imo.
Alright, I reacon that aliens are very cool because of the whole life cycle thing, nothing freaked me out more when i was a kid then those bloody face huggers, I reacon the predators are awesome because I just love the whole hunting humans for sport thing, and like collecting trophy's, thats just an awesome idea, and that is bloody original, a predator with a plassy gun could rape an alien, see them coming with alien vision, which sucks for the alien because stealth is it's strong point then blow it in half without lifting a finger, takes one l33t ass alien to dodge those shots and get close enough to get the predator, but a predator without a plassy gun makes it about even, actually the alien has the upper hand in melee combat, but the predator still has his disk-blade, remember that aliens can see right threw a predators cloak due to the feremone vision, so on a whole, I'm gonna say in a fight the predator would win in normal circumstances, but that doesn't mean that aliens don't own as well...
Yautjas/Predators.
Because:
-Cool new High-Tech gadgets.
-Muscular.
-Has some good cultures.
-A fair fighter.
Predators:
Masters of hand-to-hand weaponary
Awesome Designs
Able to kick Arnie's ass
I prefer the Alien movie's though but I just beileve the Predator is a all-around great creation...
Predators, They have so much weaponry, speed, strenghth, and agility.
Predator, there is so much more to the predator then the alien.
Predators all the way. They have all the cool technology, while the aliens are just hive-creatures.
^Any more reasons aside from the technologies?
Quote from: Secret Hero on Mar 13, 2008, 12:03:49 PM
^Any more reasons aside from the technologies?
what other reasons are there?
I think the Alien toughness is often overlooked. I thought when I first saw footage of Celtic slamming Scar into the pillars that the Alien was going to be crushed but he came out just fine. But a lot of people consider AvP Alien biased. Preds are awesome but I think if they didn't have their tech and weapons Aliens would totally own them.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Mar 16, 2008, 12:33:13 AM
I think the Alien toughness is often overlooked. I thought when I first saw footage of Celtic slamming Scar into the pillars that the Alien was going to be crushed but he came out just fine. But a lot of people consider AvP Alien biased. Preds are awesome but I think if they didn't have their tech and weapons Aliens would totally own them.
Dude, it was Alien-biased. How else do you explain Grid offing Gill and Celtic both in 5 minutes? AND the total Predator bastardization?
Those two Predators died because they were dumb as bricks. Giving away your position and attacking an aggressive ET head-on are the biggest blunders in The Big Book of Kicking Alien @ss (as written by Ellen Ripley).
You can blame Anderson for the looks, though. He was the one who wanted Predators looking like humans.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Mar 16, 2008, 07:59:13 AM
Those two Predators died because they were dumb as bricks. Giving away your position and attacking an aggressive ET head-on are the biggest blunders in The Big Book of Kicking Alien @ss (as written by Ellen Ripley).
You can blame Anderson for the looks, though. He was the one who wanted Predators looking like humans.
Thank you! ;D
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Mar 16, 2008, 07:59:13 AM
Those two Predators died because they were dumb as bricks. Giving away your position and attacking an aggressive ET head-on are the biggest blunders in The Big Book of Kicking Alien @ss (as written by Ellen Ripley).
You can blame Anderson for the looks, though. He was the one who wanted Predators looking like humans.
Ya, and I'm saying they were dumb as bricks thanks to Anderson's portrayal.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 16, 2008, 02:37:13 PM
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Mar 16, 2008, 07:59:13 AM
Those two Predators died because they were dumb as bricks. Giving away your position and attacking an aggressive ET head-on are the biggest blunders in The Big Book of Kicking Alien @ss (as written by Ellen Ripley).
You can blame Anderson for the looks, though. He was the one who wanted Predators looking like humans.
Ya, and I'm saying they were dumb as bricks thanks to Anderson's portrayal.
Doesn't matter why. They were poor hunters that's all. So it was easily believable that they were taken out by Grid.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 16, 2008, 02:37:13 PM
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Mar 16, 2008, 07:59:13 AM
Those two Predators died because they were dumb as bricks. Giving away your position and attacking an aggressive ET head-on are the biggest blunders in The Big Book of Kicking Alien @ss (as written by Ellen Ripley).
You can blame Anderson for the looks, though. He was the one who wanted Predators looking like humans.
Ya, and I'm saying they were dumb as bricks thanks to Anderson's portrayal.
yeh soo..there are good hunters and there are bad ones...
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Those two Predators died because they were dumb as bricks. Giving away your position and attacking an aggressive ET head-on are the biggest blunders in The Big Book of Kicking Alien @ss (as written by Ellen Ripley).
You can blame Anderson for the looks, though. He was the one who wanted Predators looking like humans.
Ya, and I'm saying they were dumb as bricks thanks to Anderson's portrayal.
yeh soo..there are good hunters and there are bad ones...
Yep, at least they didn't shoot their hunting buddy in the face like Dick Cheney.
Ow, that would hurt, a plasma cannon to the face by your best bud.
Predator becuase they have a code of hono when come to killing preyr and well cool weapons and gea.r
The work of Giger is unbelievable. It's so unique and way ahead of it's time. I've never seen anything like it. The alien is a great example of his work. The look of them is unendingly pleasing to my eyes, (which I can't say about the predator).
The alien life cycle is so unique and innovative. It just amazes me.
I personally prefer all four Alien films over the two Predator films.
I've had an unhealthy obsession with aliens since kindergarten. (I'm now in college.)
Tie. aliens have the instincts to breed, kill, or be killed for queen. they also have some awesome features. but predators are definitley tied with them. only because of their cool weaons and mandibles and strength. ;D
They are the Two Best Sci-Fi Creatures of all time,I can't choose!! :)
Predator, always and forevrz and evrz.
THEY ROCK!!
Forevrz and ervz?
*slaps head*
I word: PREDATOR.
Predators are cool, they have armor, weapons, gadgets, but so do humans. The Alien acid blood is really awesome, and they blend in to their hive really well. They can crawl on ceilings and walls really impressive.
I think I like both equally but as far the design goes I think I like Aliens better.
The Alien's body is definitely more adapted for hiding in tight corners but the Predator is a more intimidating creature physically.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 06, 2008, 03:58:35 PM
The Alien's body is definitely more adapted for hiding in tight corners but the Predator is a more intimidating creature physically.
I disagree I think the Alien is more intimidating with it's slime dripping muzzle, secondary jaws inhuman proportions, long sharp tail.
True, and they look more intimidating, plus outrank the Predator phisically.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Apr 06, 2008, 11:04:14 PM
True, and they look more intimidating, plus outrank the Predator phisically.
Show us their power level charts.
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True, and they look more intimidating, plus outrank the Predator phisically.
They're about even in physical strength.
Thats what their feats show.
You guys were thinking only in terms of strength. In strength, they're even. But in hand to hand combat the Alien would win. They kill with their bodies, the Predator kills with weapons. A human to a lion.
The Alien definitely has the advantage, but I doubt the Predator would be helpless. Maybe it'd last a minute or so :P
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Apr 07, 2008, 06:08:09 PM
You guys were thinking only in terms of strength. In strength, they're even. But in hand to hand combat the Alien would win. They kill with their bodies, the Predator kills with weapons. A human to a lion.
The human to lion comparison, fails every time. There is no way a human can hold, throw, wrestle a lion like the Predators do with the aliens. Think smaller, a dog to human, maybe...
I think the original poster was asking which you find to be cooler, not which is superior, which has been debated for a long time already.
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Quote from: Drago-Morph on Apr 07, 2008, 06:08:09 PM
You guys were thinking only in terms of strength. In strength, they're even. But in hand to hand combat the Alien would win. They kill with their bodies, the Predator kills with weapons. A human to a lion.
The human to lion comparison, fails every time. There is no way a human can hold, throw, wrestle a lion like the Predators do with the aliens. Think smaller, a dog to human, maybe...
A mid-sized dog can kill a large man if he gets him on the ground. It just depends on where the battle goes. To use this analogy dogs are much more efficient in killing if you compair a human with no weapons and just a dog.
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You guys were thinking only in terms of strength. In strength, they're even. But in hand to hand combat the Alien would win. They kill with their bodies, the Predator kills with weapons. A human to a lion.
The human to lion comparison, fails every time. There is no way a human can hold, throw, wrestle a lion like the Predators do with the aliens. Think smaller, a dog to human, maybe...
A mid-sized dog can kill a large man if he gets him on the ground. It just depends on where the battle goes. To use this analogy dogs are much more efficient in killing if you compair a human with no weapons and just a dog.
A human has the size advantage though in most cases. A human has reach, in addition to being a biped. The problem with the human/dog analogy is that a dog is a quadruped unlike the Alien which is a biped.
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You guys were thinking only in terms of strength. In strength, they're even. But in hand to hand combat the Alien would win. They kill with their bodies, the Predator kills with weapons. A human to a lion.
The human to lion comparison, fails every time. There is no way a human can hold, throw, wrestle a lion like the Predators do with the aliens. Think smaller, a dog to human, maybe...
A mid-sized dog can kill a large man if he gets him on the ground. It just depends on where the battle goes. To use this analogy dogs are much more efficient in killing if you compair a human with no weapons and just a dog.
A human has the size advantage though in most cases. A human has reach, in addition to being a biped. The problem with the human/dog analogy is that a dog is a quadruped unlike the Alien which is a biped.
I'm not sure I would call the Alien a biped. It has demonstrated multiple times it can run quite efficiently on all fours even while clinging to ceilings. In fact have you ever seen an alien run on two legs? They stand on two legs a lot but so does a bear and it is a quadriped. Bears do a lot of things on two legs including fight but when it comes to getting around they walk/run on all fours.
I have posted in this topic before but here I go again, I choose the Aliens because their design and lifecycle is so cool. The thing is though the new AvPR figures look cool and as I like the Aliens I was thinking I would get one but the Wolf figure looks much better. Wierd eh? I prefer Aliens but I would rather buy a Predator figure.
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You guys were thinking only in terms of strength. In strength, they're even. But in hand to hand combat the Alien would win. They kill with their bodies, the Predator kills with weapons. A human to a lion.
The human to lion comparison, fails every time. There is no way a human can hold, throw, wrestle a lion like the Predators do with the aliens. Think smaller, a dog to human, maybe...
A mid-sized dog can kill a large man if he gets him on the ground. It just depends on where the battle goes. To use this analogy dogs are much more efficient in killing if you compair a human with no weapons and just a dog.
A human has the size advantage though in most cases. A human has reach, in addition to being a biped. The problem with the human/dog analogy is that a dog is a quadruped unlike the Alien which is a biped.
I'm not sure I would call the Alien a biped. It has demonstrated multiple times it can run quite efficiently on all fours even while clinging to ceilings. In fact have you ever seen an alien run on two legs? They stand on two legs a lot but so does a bear and it is a quadriped. Bears do a lot of things on two legs including fight but when it comes to getting around they walk/run on all fours.
Ok, when moving the Alien is on all fours, when fighting it's on two legs. But for w/e reason, I'm guessing it isn't as maneuverable on 2 legs.
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You guys were thinking only in terms of strength. In strength, they're even. But in hand to hand combat the Alien would win. They kill with their bodies, the Predator kills with weapons. A human to a lion.
The human to lion comparison, fails every time. There is no way a human can hold, throw, wrestle a lion like the Predators do with the aliens. Think smaller, a dog to human, maybe...
A mid-sized dog can kill a large man if he gets him on the ground. It just depends on where the battle goes. To use this analogy dogs are much more efficient in killing if you compair a human with no weapons and just a dog.
A human has the size advantage though in most cases. A human has reach, in addition to being a biped. The problem with the human/dog analogy is that a dog is a quadruped unlike the Alien which is a biped.
I'm not sure I would call the Alien a biped. It has demonstrated multiple times it can run quite efficiently on all fours even while clinging to ceilings. In fact have you ever seen an alien run on two legs? They stand on two legs a lot but so does a bear and it is a quadriped. Bears do a lot of things on two legs including fight but when it comes to getting around they walk/run on all fours.
Ok, when moving the Alien is on all fours, when fighting it's on two legs. But for w/e reason, I'm guessing it isn't as maneuverable on 2 legs.
Yeah I'm not sure that has ever been explained. Probably has by someone. It has leaping attacks that remind me of a large cat, but then again it also stands to meet its foes like a bear. Maybe for intimidation and fear effect.
Predators. They just seem so advance, yet retain that primal instinct and rage. I mean what boy hasn't wished he was a predator?
Alien but i do like Predator.
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Predators. They just seem so advance, yet retain that primal instinct and rage. I mean what boy hasn't wished he was a predator?
A-freaking-men dude :D
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Predators. They just seem so advance, yet retain that primal instinct and rage. I mean what boy hasn't wished he was a predator?
Considering the way preds might reproduce, as suggested by AvPR. I can really say I have no wish to be a predator! ;D
If you're a Predator, it wouldn't matter ;)
I prefer the Alien movies, but the Predator creature itself is my faveorite of the two.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 15, 2008, 12:14:33 AM
If you're a Predator, it wouldn't matter ;)
More on what it would be like to be a pred, not only does their reproduction method suck, maybe literally... They can't see crap without their masks on.
I havn't seen requiem yet. What kind of reproduction method was hinted at?
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I havn't seen requiem yet. What kind of reproduction method was hinted at?
Oh sheesh! If you don't know yet it is too good to spoil for you. I'll just let you get surprised! :-X
Aliens becuase they not similar to us in anyway(social) :(. And they kill anything that gets in there way :Dand last thing the way the breed (face hugger and chestburster). Alos the Queen Alien Rocks!!! ;D
personally I prefer preds because of there awesome weapons and cool tech. I also like the fact that they murder everything in sight as long as its not dishonorable such as, the ill, injured, pregnat ect.
Predator.
Aliens. predators may have better weapons and look cooler but the Alien films are better than the Predator films.
Are you including A3 and A:R in there? Coz if you are, I would seriously question that.
Aliens and Predators are two intresting Creatures
But my vote goes to the aliens there design and charecteristics are unique as well as there acide blood and second mouth
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 08:40:48 PM
Are you including A3 and A:R in there? Coz if you are, I would seriously question that.
I personally think that the alien films are better than the predator ones. I didn't say it as fact but as my opinion.
I understand why no one likes the alien when it's turned into something looking like this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/images/news/2008/20080509.jpg)
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Some crappy rubbery looking fake monster. Predator ftw. :P
Of course I think the Alien movies are far superior to the Predator movies.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 08:40:48 PM
Are you including A3 and A:R in there? Coz if you are, I would seriously question that.
I dont know, i've grown to love A3 but A:R not so much.
The Requiem Aliens had neck cancer.
The Alien for me.
I'm fascinated by the alien, a simple yet very complex creature. 6 movies and we know so little about it. Still today, all we can do is speculate and theorize about the creature's many mysteries and secrets. The more I learn about the creature, the more I'm fascinated by it. Everything about it is original and unexpected.
The Predator is not that interesting to me. We don't know that much about it, but the more I learn about them, the less I'm interested in the Predators. Sure they're very cool looking, the technology and overall creature design looks great, but I don't like how "Klingon" the Predators became. The jungle setting of the first movie was perfect to show how feral the Predators were. But as the settings changed, so did the Predators, and they lost that side I really liked about them.
They're not "better" than eachother because they are 2 totally different creatures. But ya im an ALien fan.
In case I haven't already stated it here:
Alien. It makes sense biologically and the typical "human" shape they have can be explained by the host characteristic. So they're humanoid yet not really too human. That's my biggest problem with the Predator, I think that, while their design is perfectly executed, they're just not extra terrestrial enough. So they become nothing more than "body builders with helmets, dreadlocks and cool gadgetry". So, while it doesn't kill their charm, it does make them seem much more inplausible when compared to the Xenomorph creature. So, unless there are some kind of reptilian apes elsewhere in the universe that the Predators could evolve from, the Alien wins the round in terms of realistic appeal.
I for one would be interested in learning or at least getting some hints about where the Predator originated from. It may not be a spectacular one like they're bio-engineered weapons, but still.
Goodness everybody! There is NO debate here! Aliens are obviously way better. Take these into consideration:
- Aliens are born ready to kill
- They grow up quickly, allowing more to become mature and ready to kill fastrer than the Preds
- Aliens don't need "weapons" to kick ass.
- Aliens are "strategically intellegant". (who ever says they aren't smart are on something, look at ALIENS{the movie})
- Aliens fight like men, not cowardly sissies who need weapons for protection.
- If you can't defend yourself with your own two hands you're screwed in the end. (AVPR doesn't count, It was way too cheesy with how the Pred could hold his own against multiple Aliens)
- Aliens are more original
- Cool lifecycle
- Variety: (Alien....Facehugger, chestburster, runner, drone, warrior, preatorian, ravager, predalien, QUEEN!)
- Preds all look the same. (LAME)!!!!!
I respect everyone's desicions, but there really is no debate here. 8)
;)i reckon they are both as cool as each other :).
Ive always been a much bigger fan of the predator, they're so strong and fast.
c'mon, do I really have to choose?
Quote from: CP on May 17, 2008, 06:15:57 PM
Goodness everybody! There is NO debate here! Aliens are obviously way better. Take these into consideration:
- Aliens are born ready to kill (No, chestbursters are weak)
- Aliens don't need "weapons" to kick ass. (Their tails and inner jaw are still 'weapons')
- Aliens are "strategically intelligent". (who ever says they aren't smart are on something, look at ALIENS{the movie}) (but not as intelligent as predators)
- Aliens fight like men, not cowardly sissies who need weapons for protection. (Men use weapons)
- If you can't defend yourself with your own two hands you're screwed in the end. (AVPR doesn't count, It was way too cheesy with how the Pred could hold his own against multiple Aliens) (You can't omit a movie because you didn't like how much the predator kicked ass)
- Aliens are more original (Arguable)
- Preds all look the same. (LAME)!!!!! (And xenomorphs don't? Please tell me why grid needed to have a unique damage scar on his head so we knew who he was)
But personally, I just like both. I come to defend predators side more though because they can't get the time of day.
Quote from: wolfboy22 on May 17, 2008, 09:27:26 PM
Ive always been a much bigger fan of the predator, they're so strong and fast.
FAST??!?!?? What? Aliens are just as strong. Predators are NOT fast! They are big and bulky, heavy and carry so much crap that they rarely use! They would pass out if they had to run 5K. I don't say you're wrong, but they are NOT as fast as you say they are. Sorry. Aliens 1, Preds 0. ;D
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Ive always been a much bigger fan of the predator, they're so strong and fast.
FAST??!?!?? What? Aliens are just as strong. Predators are NOT fast! They are big and bulky, heavy and carry so much crap that they rarely use! They would pass out if they had to run 5K. I don't say you're wrong, but they are NOT as fast as you say they are. Sorry. Aliens 1, Preds 0. ;D
Which cant actually be proven, sure I would love to say Aliens are fast, but preds are really all muscle. Unequiped pred racing a drone, who knows.
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Ive always been a much bigger fan of the predator, they're so strong and fast.
FAST??!?!?? What? Aliens are just as strong. Predators are NOT fast! They are big and bulky, heavy and carry so much crap that they rarely use! They would pass out if they had to run 5K. I don't say you're wrong, but they are NOT as fast as you say they are. Sorry. Aliens 1, Preds 0. ;D
I guess you havent seen P1, P2, AVP and AVPR huh. Aliens maybe faster than predators but that doesnt mean there slow.
an their incredibly fraking agile, one thing that I liked on AVPR was when wolf was hoping 10 feets on one jump constantly at thye power plant.
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Ive always been a much bigger fan of the predator, they're so strong and fast.
FAST??!?!?? What? Aliens are just as strong. Predators are NOT fast! They are big and bulky, heavy and carry so much crap that they rarely use! They would pass out if they had to run 5K. I don't say you're wrong, but they are NOT as fast as you say they are. Sorry. Aliens 1, Preds 0. ;D
I guess you havent seen P1, P2, AVP and AVPR huh. Aliens maybe faster than predators but that doesnt mean there slow.
Predators are slow compaired to Aliens so isn't that all that matters here? We aren't talking about how fast a Pred is compaired to a human.
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Ive always been a much bigger fan of the predator, they're so strong and fast.
FAST??!?!?? What? Aliens are just as strong. Predators are NOT fast! They are big and bulky, heavy and carry so much crap that they rarely use! They would pass out if they had to run 5K. I don't say you're wrong, but they are NOT as fast as you say they are. Sorry. Aliens 1, Preds 0. ;D
I guess you havent seen P1, P2, AVP and AVPR huh. Aliens maybe faster than predators but that doesnt mean there slow.
Predators are slow compaired to Aliens so isn't that all that matters here? We aren't talking about how fast a Pred is compaired to a human.
Yes, thank you for that. Aliens are way faster than Preds, one, they're lighter, two, they are more Airodynamic. Preds are all muscle, so they would have trouble running a dash and winning compared to an Alien. Compared to a human, there is no competition.
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Ive always been a much bigger fan of the predator, they're so strong and fast.
FAST??!?!?? What? Aliens are just as strong. Predators are NOT fast! They are big and bulky, heavy and carry so much crap that they rarely use! They would pass out if they had to run 5K. I don't say you're wrong, but they are NOT as fast as you say they are. Sorry. Aliens 1, Preds 0. ;D
I guess you havent seen P1, P2, AVP and AVPR huh. Aliens maybe faster than predators but that doesnt mean there slow.
Isn't that what we are comparing??? 8) Aliens to Preds.
Aliens maybe faster then Preds but the Preds got some SWEET tech to help them own the Aliens.
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Ive always been a much bigger fan of the predator, they're so strong and fast.
FAST??!?!?? What? Aliens are just as strong. Predators are NOT fast! They are big and bulky, heavy and carry so much crap that they rarely use! They would pass out if they had to run 5K. I don't say you're wrong, but they are NOT as fast as you say they are. Sorry. Aliens 1, Preds 0. ;D
I guess you havent seen P1, P2, AVP and AVPR huh. Aliens maybe faster than predators but that doesnt mean there slow.
Predators are slow compaired to Aliens so isn't that all that matters here? We aren't talking about how fast a Pred is compaired to a human.
Yes, thank you for that. Aliens are way faster than Preds, one, they're lighter, two, they are more Airodynamic. Preds are all muscle, so they would have trouble running a dash and winning compared to an Alien. Compared to a human, there is no competition.
Didn't you see Anytime bouncing around like a monkey from tree to tree in Predator? Or Wolf jumping around the power plant in AvP:R?
@Doomrulz,
Yes, I saw them junp like monkeys. Did you see Celtic, trying to get up to speed in AVP? Aliens are still way faster than Preds, and way stealthier. I'm not saying Predator is slow, i'm just saying they are'nt as fast as Aliens. Even the Queen is faster. AVP: Did you see her booken it throught he Pyramid? FAST! For her size. 8)
That's b/c those Predators we're beefed up, Ian Whyte could barely move. Don't compare them to Aliens.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 22, 2008, 08:37:03 PM
That's b/c those Predators we're beefed up, Ian Whyte could barely move. Don't compare them to Aliens.
Why not? Sorry to say but the Pred portrayal in AvP is fair game in this discussion. The Preds in that movie were pretty dang slow. So knowing that there are some Preds at least that are bulky and slow just lends more credence to believe that Aliens are much faster. Aliens are also better in cramped spaces and I dare say just as good at sneaking up on people as Preds and they don't have cloak.
I'm saying it's not a fair comparison b/c those Predators were poorly designed.
If we were discussing the anture of the Aliens' behaviour, what are you going to use as a yardstick, Cameron/Scott Alien or BS Aliens?
Predators are not slow, AVP made them look slow but P1, P2 and AVPR gives a good perspective on how fast they really are. Aliens are fast ill admit that but preds are fast too.
Not as fast as the Flash ;D. I like them both, but I was raised on the Alien films. They both have incredible strength and speed. We've seen them both bash metal and concrete and run above human speeds(the Aliens more so than Predators). However, I like that the Aliens' weapons are natural and I like the concept that they are hive animals that can spread like a plague that is nigh-impossible to stop.
ok dude that is your opinion and I respect it but dont call preds slow ok.
Quote from: wolfboy22 on May 23, 2008, 01:43:13 AM
Predators are not slow, AVP made them look slow but P1, P2 and AVPR gives a good perspective on how fast they really are. Aliens are fast ill admit that but preds are fast too.
The only time when Wolf showed any type of speed was when he was jumping up the power station and that was vertical speed. When he ran away from the ship explosion he wasn't going that fast. Look, no one is disputing that Preds are fast here. We've said it a thousand times they are fast, faster than humans. But when you look at all of the movies they aren't nearly as fast as Aliens. Aliens can move like a biped and quadraped and quadrapeds are usually much more speedy than bipeds.
I'm a big fan of both the Alien and Predator. But the more times I watch both I realize that the Alien is much more interesting, the depth and complexity and brilliance of the alien and its life cycle has nothing of equal comparison in the Predator series. If you like all of that Pred gadgetry fine. It is really awesome. But it doesn't make him unique. There are loads of alien creatures similar to Preds in many Sci-Fi series. The Pred cloak is really cool, but you look at the Alien and it doesn't have to rely on a cloak to sneak up and kill people and it has been shown to be just as efficient. Strip away all the Preds weapons and gadgets and all they are is a big strong humanoid. Aliens on the other hand are big, strong, fast, and have a number of ways to kill you using various body parts, not to mention having pressured acid for blood something that AvPR completely ignored when Wolf fought the Aliens.
QuoteThe only time when Wolf showed any type of speed was when he was jumping up the power station and that was vertical speed.
well what about when he chases down that copper that was hiding behind the bush, he cut him off pretty damn fast if you ask me...
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 24, 2008, 03:33:59 AM
QuoteThe only time when Wolf showed any type of speed was when he was jumping up the power station and that was vertical speed.
well what about when he chases down that copper that was hiding behind the bush, he cut him off pretty damn fast if you ask me...
Yeah that was pretty quick, shame you don't see him running though, so you can't say he ran that fast. He could have jumped through the trees like he did at the power station. He seems to have an awesome vert.
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QuoteThe only time when Wolf showed any type of speed was when he was jumping up the power station and that was vertical speed.
well what about when he chases down that copper that was hiding behind the bush, he cut him off pretty damn fast if you ask me...
Yeah that was pretty quick, shame you don't see him running though, so you can't say he ran that fast. He could have jumped through the trees like he did at the power station. He seems to have an awesome vert.
true you dont see it, but what you show off-screen is as important as you show on-screen, i never really remember seeing an alien run flat out without the help of digital effects
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Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 24, 2008, 03:33:59 AM
QuoteThe only time when Wolf showed any type of speed was when he was jumping up the power station and that was vertical speed.
well what about when he chases down that copper that was hiding behind the bush, he cut him off pretty damn fast if you ask me...
Yeah that was pretty quick, shame you don't see him running though, so you can't say he ran that fast. He could have jumped through the trees like he did at the power station. He seems to have an awesome vert.
true you dont see it, but what you show off-screen is as important as you show on-screen, i never really remember seeing an alien run flat out without the help of digital effects
You mean what is implied off-screen is what is important as what you show on-screen. Yeah your right. Implied or not Aliens are still faster. Wolf was probably the quickest of his species as shown on screen.
QuoteImplied or not Aliens are still faster. Wolf was probably the quickest of his species as shown on screen
I just dont see how its fair that your comparing alien off-screen and digital shots to the bulky practical predator suits of avp..
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 24, 2008, 05:36:26 AM
QuoteImplied or not Aliens are still faster. Wolf was probably the quickest of his species as shown on screen
I just dont see how its fair that your comparing alien off-screen and digital shots to the bulky practical predator suits of avp..
Hey I'm not the film-maker. They could have went digital showing a Pred running really fast. I don't see what isn't fair about it. I defer back to what I said about bipeds vs. quadrupeds though. All of the top runners in the animal world are quadrupeds. Humans come in at 25. Even if you say a Pred can run 5 times faster than a human(which would be generous probably), chances are an Alien can run 10 to 15 times faster from what we know about biology.
http://www.homeworkspot.com/ask/fastestanimals.htm
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on May 24, 2008, 05:47:36 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 24, 2008, 05:36:26 AM
QuoteImplied or not Aliens are still faster. Wolf was probably the quickest of his species as shown on screen
I just dont see how its fair that your comparing alien off-screen and digital shots to the bulky practical predator suits of avp..
Hey I'm not the film-maker. They could have went digital showing a Pred running really fast. I don't see what isn't fair about it. I defer back to what I said about bipeds vs. quadrupeds though. All of the top runners in the animal world are quadrupeds. Humans come in at 25. Even if you say a Pred can run 5 times faster than a human(which would be generous probably), chances are an Alien can run 10 to 15 times faster from what we know about biology.
http://www.homeworkspot.com/ask/fastestanimals.htm
i just dont see the fair comparison of comparing digital aliens running to a practical predator running, we could as well just compare a digital predator running and compare it to a guy in an alien suit woddling away, who would seem the fastest in that comparison?
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 24, 2008, 05:54:58 AM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on May 24, 2008, 05:47:36 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 24, 2008, 05:36:26 AM
QuoteImplied or not Aliens are still faster. Wolf was probably the quickest of his species as shown on screen
I just dont see how its fair that your comparing alien off-screen and digital shots to the bulky practical predator suits of avp..
Hey I'm not the film-maker. They could have went digital showing a Pred running really fast. I don't see what isn't fair about it. I defer back to what I said about bipeds vs. quadrupeds though. All of the top runners in the animal world are quadrupeds. Humans come in at 25. Even if you say a Pred can run 5 times faster than a human(which would be generous probably), chances are an Alien can run 10 to 15 times faster from what we know about biology.
http://www.homeworkspot.com/ask/fastestanimals.htm
i just dont see the fair comparison of comparing digital aliens running to a practical predator running, we could as well just compare a digital predator running and compare it to a guy in an alien suit woddling away, who would seem the fastest in that comparison?
What? My point is that if they wanted to show a Predator running that fast they easily could have. Practicality aside they could do it with CGI just like they did on the Aliens. The reason why they didn't is it probably wouldn't look good. It wouldn't be believable looking for a big bulky biped to move that fast.
Quote from: wolfboy22 on May 23, 2008, 01:59:22 AM
ok dude that is your opinion and I respect it but dont call preds slow ok.
Are you talking to me? I didn't call the Predators slow.
Alien.
I love both but the Predators are my favorite because they are less like animals than the Aliens are. Its also the way they love to get into danger and jump into the action roaring. Also its how idtimidating they are. They might have advance technology but thats not why I love them. I think their stuff is cool but thats not it. They don't need tech to protect themselves. They are hunters. Thats why they use tech. Saying Predators are pussy because they need their need is like saying hunters needs guns to protect themselves from deer. I bet a Predator could have a very fair fight with an Alien with nothing but its blades if that.
Quote from: The Wolf on May 24, 2008, 04:54:16 PM
I love both but the Predators are my favorite because they are less like animals than the Aliens are. Its also the way they love to get into danger and jump into the action roaring. Also its how idtimidating they are. They might have advance technology but thats not why I love them. I think their stuff is cool but thats not it. They don't need tech to protect themselves. They are hunters. Thats why they use tech. Saying Predators are pussy because they need their need is like saying hunters needs guns to protect themselves from deer. I bet a Predator could have a very fair fight with an Alien with nothing but its blades if that.
I guess it depends on what they are hunting. Sure a person may not need a gun to defend themselves from a deer if that is what they are hunting, but if they are hunting lions, not having a gun would be a bad thing.
I guess that is how I look at Preds vs. Aliens.
8)
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on May 24, 2008, 05:02:44 PM
Quote from: The Wolf on May 24, 2008, 04:54:16 PM
I love both but the Predators are my favorite because they are less like animals than the Aliens are. Its also the way they love to get into danger and jump into the action roaring. Also its how idtimidating they are. They might have advance technology but thats not why I love them. I think their stuff is cool but thats not it. They don't need tech to protect themselves. They are hunters. Thats why they use tech. Saying Predators are pussy because they need their need is like saying hunters needs guns to protect themselves from deer. I bet a Predator could have a very fair fight with an Alien with nothing but its blades if that.
I guess it depends on what they are hunting. Sure a person may not need a gun to defend themselves from a deer if that is what they are hunting, but if they are hunting lions, not having a gun would be a bad thing.
I guess that is how I look at Preds vs. Aliens.
Yeah but I wouldn't compare an unarmed human against a lion to an unarmed Predator against an Alien. I think a Predator would have a very fair fight with an Alien if he were unarmed.
Quote from: The Wolf on May 31, 2008, 04:14:36 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on May 24, 2008, 05:02:44 PM
Quote from: The Wolf on May 24, 2008, 04:54:16 PM
I love both but the Predators are my favorite because they are less like animals than the Aliens are. Its also the way they love to get into danger and jump into the action roaring. Also its how idtimidating they are. They might have advance technology but thats not why I love them. I think their stuff is cool but thats not it. They don't need tech to protect themselves. They are hunters. Thats why they use tech. Saying Predators are pussy because they need their need is like saying hunters needs guns to protect themselves from deer. I bet a Predator could have a very fair fight with an Alien with nothing but its blades if that.
I guess it depends on what they are hunting. Sure a person may not need a gun to defend themselves from a deer if that is what they are hunting, but if they are hunting lions, not having a gun would be a bad thing.
I guess that is how I look at Preds vs. Aliens.
Yeah but I wouldn't compare an unarmed human against a lion to an unarmed Predator against an Alien. I think a Predator would have a very fair fight with an Alien if he were unarmed.
I think you underestimate the strength of an Alien. Aliens are often compaired to ants. If you had an ant that was similar sized to an Alien say 250lbs it would be able to lift 12,500 lbs. That is the power of the exoskeleton. Preds don't have that. I daresay any animal that had an endoskeleton and exoskeleton and was roughly the size of a human or slightly bigger would be incredibly powerful.
Quote from: The Wolf on May 31, 2008, 04:14:36 PM
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Quote from: The Wolf on May 24, 2008, 04:54:16 PM
I love both but the Predators are my favorite because they are less like animals than the Aliens are. Its also the way they love to get into danger and jump into the action roaring. Also its how idtimidating they are. They might have advance technology but thats not why I love them. I think their stuff is cool but thats not it. They don't need tech to protect themselves. They are hunters. Thats why they use tech. Saying Predators are pussy because they need their need is like saying hunters needs guns to protect themselves from deer. I bet a Predator could have a very fair fight with an Alien with nothing but its blades if that.
I guess it depends on what they are hunting. Sure a person may not need a gun to defend themselves from a deer if that is what they are hunting, but if they are hunting lions, not having a gun would be a bad thing.
I guess that is how I look at Preds vs. Aliens.
Yeah but I wouldn't compare an unarmed human against a lion to an unarmed Predator against an Alien. I think a Predator would have a very fair fight with an Alien if he were unarmed.
The Alien would rip an unarmed Predator to shreds.
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Quote from: The Wolf on May 24, 2008, 04:54:16 PM
I love both but the Predators are my favorite because they are less like animals than the Aliens are. Its also the way they love to get into danger and jump into the action roaring. Also its how idtimidating they are. They might have advance technology but thats not why I love them. I think their stuff is cool but thats not it. They don't need tech to protect themselves. They are hunters. Thats why they use tech. Saying Predators are pussy because they need their need is like saying hunters needs guns to protect themselves from deer. I bet a Predator could have a very fair fight with an Alien with nothing but its blades if that.
I guess it depends on what they are hunting. Sure a person may not need a gun to defend themselves from a deer if that is what they are hunting, but if they are hunting lions, not having a gun would be a bad thing.
I guess that is how I look at Preds vs. Aliens.
Yeah but I wouldn't compare an unarmed human against a lion to an unarmed Predator against an Alien. I think a Predator would have a very fair fight with an Alien if he were unarmed.
I think you underestimate the strength of an Alien. Aliens are often compaired to ants. If you had an ant that was similar sized to an Alien say 250lbs it would be able to lift 12,500 lbs. That is the power of the exoskeleton. Preds don't have that. I daresay any animal that had an endoskeleton and exoskeleton and was roughly the size of a human or slightly bigger would be incredibly powerful.
I'm not saying the Alien would stand no chance, I'm saying it would be a very fair fight. The Predator would recieve several wounds like he has in the Predators movies. Getting nicked up all the time by gun fire from the minigun and Harrigan's shotgun. You see where I'm going?
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Quote from: The Wolf on May 24, 2008, 04:54:16 PM
I love both but the Predators are my favorite because they are less like animals than the Aliens are. Its also the way they love to get into danger and jump into the action roaring. Also its how idtimidating they are. They might have advance technology but thats not why I love them. I think their stuff is cool but thats not it. They don't need tech to protect themselves. They are hunters. Thats why they use tech. Saying Predators are pussy because they need their need is like saying hunters needs guns to protect themselves from deer. I bet a Predator could have a very fair fight with an Alien with nothing but its blades if that.
I guess it depends on what they are hunting. Sure a person may not need a gun to defend themselves from a deer if that is what they are hunting, but if they are hunting lions, not having a gun would be a bad thing.
I guess that is how I look at Preds vs. Aliens.
Yeah but I wouldn't compare an unarmed human against a lion to an unarmed Predator against an Alien. I think a Predator would have a very fair fight with an Alien if he were unarmed.
I think you underestimate the strength of an Alien. Aliens are often compaired to ants. If you had an ant that was similar sized to an Alien say 250lbs it would be able to lift 12,500 lbs. That is the power of the exoskeleton. Preds don't have that. I daresay any animal that had an endoskeleton and exoskeleton and was roughly the size of a human or slightly bigger would be incredibly powerful.
I'm not saying the Alien would stand no chance, I'm saying it would be a very fair fight. The Predator would recieve several wounds like he has in the Predators movies. Getting nicked up all the time by gun fire from the minigun and Harrigan's shotgun. You see where I'm going?
Not really, I don't think it would be a fair fight. Not if the Pred didn't have any weapons. The Alien should have him beat on all fronts.
yeah, I agree.
Wow, aliens are the minority around here. Well, Im a xenofan for their terrifying looks and their ability to rain doom onto unsuspecting civilizations. Predators are cool too, but they train to be bad ass when aliens are born with it.
Quote from: pure blood alien on Jun 10, 2008, 08:17:41 AM
ALIENS BECAUSE THEY ARE SO MUCH BETTER THEY HAVE THERE CLAWS, TOUNG, TAIL AND ACID FOR BLOOD PREDITOR ONLY HAS THERE TECHNOLIGY WITH OUT IT THEY WILL BE RUBBISH
What if the aliens didn't have their claws, inner jaw, tail and acid blood, what would that make them?
And can you please stop typing in CAPS, you're hurting my ears.
I think they would be something between a large beetle and a rabid pitbull lol.
They'll always have there fists and legs.... And their stealth and intelligence. They are about as intelligent as the utahraptor....
But do we know how intelligent the utahraptor is? I mean, are they like the jurassic park 3 raptors that set traps, or are they like the raptor island raptors that look terrible and run around in circles?
Quote from: Undeadite on Jun 10, 2008, 03:31:19 PM
I think they would be something between a large beetle and a rabid pitbull lol.
Well one things for sure, they wouldn't be the great serpents they are today...(haha, I called them serpents) ;)
Quote from: Undeadite on Jun 10, 2008, 04:50:09 PM
But do we know how intelligent the utahraptor is? I mean, are they like the jurassic park 3 raptors that set traps, or are they like the raptor island raptors that look terrible and run around in circles?
They're intelligent enough to hunt their respective prey, period.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 10, 2008, 05:14:35 PM
Quote from: Undeadite on Jun 10, 2008, 04:50:09 PM
But do we know how intelligent the utahraptor is? I mean, are they like the jurassic park 3 raptors that set traps, or are they like the raptor island raptors that look terrible and run around in circles?
They're intelligent enough to hunt their respective prey, period.
That is right.
True, I'm glad we don't have to ellude predators or hunt for our food. Something tells me that a lot of people would starve out of stupidity. ;)
Quote from: Undeadite on Jun 10, 2008, 09:15:27 PM
True, I'm glad we don't have to ellude predators or hunt for our food. Something tells me that a lot of people would starve out of stupidity. ;)
Ya got that right! We are dumb! At least when it comes to hiding from an evil Alien race which rips us in little tiny pieces for "fun". So, yeah you could say that. 8)
Quote from: Storyteller on Jun 10, 2008, 04:21:32 PM
They'll always have there fists and legs.... And their stealth and intelligence. They are about as intelligent as the utahraptor....
Exactly how can you determine that? Paleontogists don't know how intelligent the Utah Raptor was, all the have is speculation based on brain size, etc. You can't compair an extinct animal that we hardly know anything about, to fictional creature that isn't like anything on Earth. I mean you can if you want to but you won't be able to draw any conclusions.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 11, 2008, 03:17:52 AM
Quote from: Storyteller on Jun 10, 2008, 04:21:32 PM
They'll always have there fists and legs.... And their stealth and intelligence. They are about as intelligent as the utahraptor....
Exactly how can you determine that? Paleontogists don't know how intelligent the Utah Raptor was, all the have is speculation based on brain size, etc. You can't compair an extinct animal that we hardly know anything about, to fictional creature that isn't like anything on Earth. I mean you can if you want to but you won't be able to draw any conclusions.
Like I said, Utahraptor was brainy by dinosaur standards. It was smarter than they prey it was going after. Aliens I'm
certain are more intelligent.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 11, 2008, 03:26:08 AM
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Quote from: Storyteller on Jun 10, 2008, 04:21:32 PM
They'll always have there fists and legs.... And their stealth and intelligence. They are about as intelligent as the utahraptor....
Exactly how can you determine that? Paleontogists don't know how intelligent the Utah Raptor was, all the have is speculation based on brain size, etc. You can't compair an extinct animal that we hardly know anything about, to fictional creature that isn't like anything on Earth. I mean you can if you want to but you won't be able to draw any conclusions.
Like I said, Utahraptor was brainy by dinosaur standards. It was smarter than they prey it was going after. Aliens I'm certain are more intelligent.
I had always heard the troodon was smart. So I looked it up and it is considered the smartest dinosaur again because the brain to body size. T-Rex had the biggest brain, but what's sad is it is about the size of a humans.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 11, 2008, 03:30:46 AM
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Quote from: Storyteller on Jun 10, 2008, 04:21:32 PM
They'll always have there fists and legs.... And their stealth and intelligence. They are about as intelligent as the utahraptor....
Exactly how can you determine that? Paleontogists don't know how intelligent the Utah Raptor was, all the have is speculation based on brain size, etc. You can't compair an extinct animal that we hardly know anything about, to fictional creature that isn't like anything on Earth. I mean you can if you want to but you won't be able to draw any conclusions.
Like I said, Utahraptor was brainy by dinosaur standards. It was smarter than they prey it was going after. Aliens I'm certain are more intelligent.
I had always heard the troodon was smart. So I looked it up and it is considered the smartest dinosaur again because the brain to body size. T-Rex had the biggest brain, but what's sad is it is about the size of a humans.
Troodon was the smartest dinosaur to evolve yes. But again, like all dinosaurs, perspective must be kept like I already said.
Ok, maybe it would be best to say an alien is as smart as say... certain primates?
Not even. Aliens know how to get to their prey. Primates aren't hunters; they eat fruit. So I'd wager Aliens are smarter.
Fine, youre making this difficult lol. How about the hunting knowledge of a shark, and the problem solving of a primate? ;)
Haha, sure I could go for that.
Oh, I guess you would need to throw in that whole "hive mind" thing. Take your pick on the species, but my personal favorite are those blind ants that eat small mammals.
If we're talking about hives, bees would make the most sense.
I'll pick killer ants over bees any day. Tho I guess either of them would put a serious damper on your picknick ;)
Haha indeed. At least the ants can't fly!
True, but they can attack your car and eat the tires. Then you would have to do some tremors 2 poll vaulting or something. :D
Quote from: Undeadite on Jun 11, 2008, 04:27:22 AM
True, but they can attack your car and eat the tires. Then you would have to do some tremors 2 poll vaulting or something. :D
BWUH :|
Yeah, scary huh? I mean it would probably take a little while, but they are powerful enough.
I'm rather confident I'd be out of there sooner than they could chew through the rubber.
But what if they planned a sneak attack, with ants working on the tires in between the time you arrive and the time you discover them? Now THAT would be some alien like behavior. :o
That's why we have pesticide ;)
Thank god for that! ;D
Quote from: Undeadite on Jun 11, 2008, 04:34:31 AM
But what if they planned a sneak attack, with ants working on the tires in between the time you arrive and the time you discover them? Now THAT would be some alien like behavior. :o
But ya, you've got me there ;)
How'd we get from dinosaurs to bugs?
Evolution ;)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 11, 2008, 04:05:05 AM
Not even. Aliens know how to get to their prey. Primates aren't hunters; they eat fruit. So I'd wager Aliens are smarter.
Chimpanzees hunt and eat meat on a frequent basis.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 11, 2008, 04:05:05 AM
Not even. Aliens know how to get to their prey. Primates aren't hunters; they eat fruit. So I'd wager Aliens are smarter.
Chimpanzees hunt and eat meat on a frequent basis.
Oh I see, didn't know that.
When you get a chance, try and find a video of them hunting in a pack. They're fast, agressive, and violent.
And they cannabalize, which is always heart wrenching to watch.
predators because they are awesome like in the 2 movie 1 takes out a predalien and the wristblades are cool
What took out a PA, it would've killed him first had the nuke not been dropped.
Quote from: shadowgod on Jun 12, 2008, 02:07:57 AM
predators because they are awesome like in the 2 movie 1 takes out a predalien and the wristblades are cool
yeah, that's so "cool". ::)
Hey I got an idea, lets get out the dictionary or encyclopedia set, start with A and compair the Alien to every animal we across! :D ;)
I would be a short search, an aardvark would totally win that fight! ;)
The Predators freakin rock, no offence to the alien fans, the aliens are fierce but the Predators are my homies lol. They are amazing.
Quote from: Veteran Warrior on Jun 15, 2008, 01:12:09 AM
The Predators freakin rock, no offence to the alien fans, the aliens are fierce but the Predators are my homies lol. They are amazing.
Sure bud. ::)
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The Predators freakin rock, no offence to the alien fans, the aliens are fierce but the Predators are my homies lol. They are amazing.
Everyone get down with the predators.
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The Predators freakin rock, no offence to the alien fans, the aliens are fierce but the Predators are my homies lol. They are amazing.
Everyone get down with the predators.
Yeah, what are they the: P-Unit? :D
Quote from: Chris P on Jun 15, 2008, 07:09:49 PMYeah, what are they the: P-Unit? :D
:D nicely put
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Quote from: Chris P on Jun 15, 2008, 07:09:49 PMYeah, what are they the: P-Unit? :D
:D nicely put
Ya like that? Thank you, I thought it fit. 8)
haha Chris P-Unit
Right on brother. That's how we do. :D
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The Predators freakin rock, no offence to the alien fans, the aliens are fierce but the Predators are my homies lol. They are amazing.
Everyone get down with the predators.
Yeah, what are they the: P-Unit? :D
LOL, that was awesome man :)
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The Predators freakin rock, no offence to the alien fans, the aliens are fierce but the Predators are my homies lol. They are amazing.
Everyone get down with the predators.
Yeah, what are they the: P-Unit? :D
LOL, that was awesome man :)
Thanks dude. It's funnier because i'm a white, but I love rap and hip hop and all that foshizzel my nizzle stuff. I love it. I make rap jokes all the time. That one was "weak" compared to some of my other AVP rap/style jokes. I think I actually made a rap once, from both views. Like wierd al and his star wars mockery rap. It was called Star Wars Gangsta Rap. Youtube it, it is funny stuff.
But thanks for the compliment man.
Peace. 8)
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The Predators freakin rock, no offence to the alien fans, the aliens are fierce but the Predators are my homies lol. They are amazing.
Everyone get down with the predators.
Yeah, what are they the: P-Unit? :D
LOL, that was awesome man :)
Thanks dude. It's funnier because i'm a white, but I love rap and hip hop and all that foshizzel my nizzle stuff. I love it. I make rap jokes all the time. That one was "weak" compared to some of my other AVP rap/style jokes. I think I actually made a rap once, from both views. Like wierd al and his star wars mockery rap. It was called Star Wars Gangsta Rap. Youtube it, it is funny stuff.
But thanks for the compliment man.
Peace. 8)
LOL, I just whatched the star wars gangster rap, hilarious :D
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The Predators freakin rock, no offence to the alien fans, the aliens are fierce but the Predators are my homies lol. They are amazing.
Everyone get down with the predators.
Yeah, what are they the: P-Unit? :D
LOL, that was awesome man :)
Thanks dude. It's funnier because i'm a white, but I love rap and hip hop and all that foshizzel my nizzle stuff. I love it. I make rap jokes all the time. That one was "weak" compared to some of my other AVP rap/style jokes. I think I actually made a rap once, from both views. Like wierd al and his star wars mockery rap. It was called Star Wars Gangsta Rap. Youtube it, it is funny stuff.
But thanks for the compliment man.
Peace. 8)
LOL, I just whatched the star wars gangster rap, hilarious :D
I thought so. I loved the last part with vader. Awsome. :D
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The Predators freakin rock, no offence to the alien fans, the aliens are fierce but the Predators are my homies lol. They are amazing.
Everyone get down with the predators.
Yeah, what are they the: P-Unit? :D
LOL, that was awesome man :)
Thanks dude. It's funnier because i'm a white, but I love rap and hip hop and all that foshizzel my nizzle stuff. I love it. I make rap jokes all the time. That one was "weak" compared to some of my other AVP rap/style jokes. I think I actually made a rap once, from both views. Like wierd al and his star wars mockery rap. It was called Star Wars Gangsta Rap. Youtube it, it is funny stuff.
But thanks for the compliment man.
Peace. 8)
LOL, I just whatched the star wars gangster rap, hilarious :D
I thought so. I loved the last part with vader. Awsome. :D
Im your father
Im your father..
LOL, awesome. thanx for the recommendation :)
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The Predators freakin rock, no offence to the alien fans, the aliens are fierce but the Predators are my homies lol. They are amazing.
Everyone get down with the predators.
Yeah, what are they the: P-Unit? :D
LOL, that was awesome man :)
Thanks dude. It's funnier because i'm a white, but I love rap and hip hop and all that foshizzel my nizzle stuff. I love it. I make rap jokes all the time. That one was "weak" compared to some of my other AVP rap/style jokes. I think I actually made a rap once, from both views. Like wierd al and his star wars mockery rap. It was called Star Wars Gangsta Rap. Youtube it, it is funny stuff.
But thanks for the compliment man.
Peace. 8)
LOL, I just whatched the star wars gangster rap, hilarious :D
I thought so. I loved the last part with vader. Awsome. :D
Im your father
Im your father..
LOL, awesome. thanx for the recommendation :)
No problem dude. ;)
Aliens because:
- The hivemind thing
- The designs
- The life cycle
Quote from: marky on Jun 25, 2008, 07:45:00 AM
Aliens because:
- The hivemind thing
- The designs
- The life cycle
I hear ya. I love the life cycle as well. ;)
I already posted in this thread, but screw it. I obviously prefer predators. Reasons....
- Design (God bless Stan Winston)
- They are strong, mean mofos
- They have the feeling where, they are the kind of creatures that wait for the perfect time to strike, but if you walk up to one of them, they kick your ass unmercifully. They have that feeling where, they may spend their times killing you from the trees, but if you piss one off enough, it can happily come down to kick your ass. :D
- I like their ways of living, how they enjoy killing prey, and hunt for sport. It makes them seem so evil and heartless, which I think suits them. :)
- And how can I forget, they have kick ass alien technology
Aliens.
Alien manly because they look bad ass and for example fighting a predetor he walks towards you untill your backed up to a wall and then blows your head off.But back to the wall from an alien bang you get killed by to aliens behind you u dont even know was there
I am gunna go for the Alien but only cos of the first Alien creature we know as Skull, and not because of Aliens, A3, and A:R creatures. Skull was everything Alien, he was an unknown sexual entity that was just a f**king walking nightmare and everything about Skull was pure Alien were the later movies had them looking like some bug that you can relate with.
Predators are f**king cool but the have that vibe that makes them feel a little human because of the technology and honor the seem to carry with them. With a predator you have a tiny small percentage of reasoning with it if your not a threat to it... But with an Alien you are just f**ked.
Gigers original Alien is one awsome scary hideous beast if you think of the meaning behind it.
Aliens
They're way of life fascinates me, they live like Ants, but work like Bees...
And well, back then, they're form would be something unusual, but now a days EVERYONE uses the Aliens design. >_> Alien is still cool though...
They're orgins are mysterious...
Alien.
The whole look of it was like nothing I had ever seen before and that, as well as the whole quiet sneakyness of it and the chestburster idea, managed to scare me for years.
predator. i grew up with them.
i prefer Predator.
the alien is truely unique but the predator is too. somehow i still think they should add a new humanoid species hell bent on hunting Predators and exterminating aliens. anyway that is a crazy idea.
the predator was made cool by the late Kevin Peter Hall's acting and the late Stan Winston's creature design. the fact it put almost everyone's reliable hero, Arnie, in the face of death and only luck to kill the Pred, shows that a third Pred film will be awsome.
get Mctiernan back... or Ridley Scott and family... or even John Carpenter.... hell why not make Die Hard vs. Predator. Fox just wants to make money.
but i agree...get experienced actors please, Fox.
Die Hard vs... :-\
I know you're joking but still... :P
Haha I actually think that might be kinda fun... I see McClain in a pretty similar light that I see Dutch and Harrigan in... Actually, I like him more. Just keep it R-rated & fun... and leave the aliens out of it...
Yeah I would see it haha ;D
yippee ki yay you ugly---
Heh, ok, I'd pay to hear that one line lol
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 26, 2008, 10:04:48 PM
Heh, ok, I'd pay to hear that one line lol
*lol* Hey, you'd never have to pay to hear that - it'd be in the trailer! ;D
Quote from: Lilywhite_Lilith on Jul 28, 2008, 11:20:47 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 26, 2008, 10:04:48 PM
Heh, ok, I'd pay to hear that one line lol
*lol* Hey, you'd never have to pay to hear that - it'd be in the trailer! ;D
I meant I'd pay for the eventual movie, but ok.
Aliens are scary, you know when they're gonna be there and they where pretty much invincible before AVP came out. Whereas Predators are just cool - nice armour, nice weapons and an adorable face :P
Quote from: Sgt. Marv on Jul 25, 2008, 07:26:36 PM
i prefer Predator.
the alien is truely unique but the predator is too. somehow i still think they should add a new humanoid species hell bent on hunting Predators and exterminating aliens. anyway that is a crazy idea.
the predator was made cool by the late Kevin Peter Hall's acting and the late Stan Winston's creature design. the fact it put almost everyone's reliable hero, Arnie, in the face of death and only luck to kill the Pred, shows that a third Pred film will be awsome.
get Mctiernan back... or Ridley Scott and family... or even John Carpenter.... hell why not make Die Hard vs. Predator. Fox just wants to make money.
but i agree...get experienced actors please, Fox.
Hey, thats actually a damn good idea. It doesn't exactly have to be Die Hard though.
........Predators can kill aliens so easy.
Somebodies been watching too much AvPRubbish...
I meant it as something to draw out people into actually posting back...and hey, it worked. Just bored so, whatever.
Though aliens are cool, I obviously still prefer preds. They seem more badass to me. Cold blooded aliens who enjoy killing, and hunting down other lifeforms for their own sick pleasure. Definatly more evil and manacing than an alien, what they do is because of instinct, not because they have the conscious to choose to.
And for the record, I hated avpr.
Thats good then.
Quote from: Predboy on Sep 10, 2008, 08:39:13 PM
Though aliens are cool, I obviously still prefer preds. They seem more badass to me. Cold blooded aliens who enjoy killing, and hunting down other lifeforms for their own sick pleasure. Definatly more evil and manacing than an alien, what they do is because of instinct, not because they have the conscious to choose to.
Agreed. 8)
Quote from: Predboy on Sep 10, 2008, 08:39:13 PM
I meant it as something to draw out people into actually posting back...and hey, it worked. Just bored so, whatever.
Though aliens are cool, I obviously still prefer preds. They seem more badass to me. Cold blooded aliens who enjoy killing, and hunting down other lifeforms for their own sick pleasure. Definatly more evil and manacing than an alien, what they do is because of instinct, not because they have the conscious to choose to.
And for the record, I hated avpr.
I don't know about that. See, you can't reason with an alien - the alien will kill you no matter if you are pregnant, unarmed, sick etc.. Plus Kane's Son seemed to be enjoying it's kills to me especially with Lambert.
This raises a question. If, let's say you, GOM, were impregnated with a Queen Alien and I had a gun to your head, would an alien (the alien knew you had a queen in you) let me walk out of whatever confined space I was in?
No. They wouldn't hurt the host. If they saw you as a threat, even though they could most likely reason that you weren't going to kill the host immediately, it would protect the Queen and kill you.
Quote from: gameoverman on Sep 11, 2008, 01:10:59 AM
Quote from: Predboy on Sep 10, 2008, 08:39:13 PM
I meant it as something to draw out people into actually posting back...and hey, it worked. Just bored so, whatever.
Though aliens are cool, I obviously still prefer preds. They seem more badass to me. Cold blooded aliens who enjoy killing, and hunting down other lifeforms for their own sick pleasure. Definatly more evil and manacing than an alien, what they do is because of instinct, not because they have the conscious to choose to.
And for the record, I hated avpr.
I don't know about that. See, you can't reason with an alien - the alien will kill you no matter if you are pregnant, unarmed, sick etc.. Plus Kane's Son seemed to be enjoying it's kills to me especially with Lambert.
But you can reason with a Predator. At least implicitly I think. It worked for Lex.
I like the Aliens best. They're design is overall better IMO and I like that they're essentially just animals. They aren't interested in killing for fun, they kill because they have to. Not only that but at times they can show some signs of intelligence to figure out how to get out of someplace or something. I also like their life cycle and they're survival instincts.
Quote from: Deathbearer on Oct 08, 2008, 05:02:02 PM
...They aren't interested in killing for fun, they kill because they have to...
The alien in part 3 seemed to be playing cat and mouse with the prisoners. I think it even smiled.
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 08, 2008, 05:12:45 PM
Quote from: Deathbearer on Oct 08, 2008, 05:02:02 PM
...They aren't interested in killing for fun, they kill because they have to...
The alien in part 3 seemed to be playing cat and mouse with the prisoners. I think it even smiled.
Well maybe it was just pissy...that or it plays with its food I don't know.
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 08, 2008, 05:12:45 PM
Quote from: Deathbearer on Oct 08, 2008, 05:02:02 PM
...They aren't interested in killing for fun, they kill because they have to...
The alien in part 3 seemed to be playing cat and mouse with the prisoners. I think it even smiled.
It did, right before Golic ran off. That thing was a vicious little bugger.
Predators kick alien's ass.
Aliens dammit D:<
I would choose Predator. They are smart and active! That is cool!
Aliens suck, we all know that. Predator's would kick their asses in a heart beat.
Quote from: Predboy on Nov 07, 2008, 02:01:54 AM
Aliens suck, we all know that. Predator's would kick their asses in a heart beat.
Aliens have strength in numbers.
Are we talking about AVPR aliens or Aliens in general? Cause if we are, Aliens kick Pred butt with ease. ;)
No they don't. It's an even match.
Quote from: Chris P on Nov 12, 2008, 09:59:46 PM
Are we talking about AVPR aliens or Aliens in general? Cause if we are, Aliens kick Pred butt with ease. ;)
Psssss uh huh sure they would. The preds would rip off their heads like nothing and bitch smack the queen back to hell with all the rest of the ugly f**k aliens that were sent there.
The Alien reproduction cycle is interesting, but i voted Predators, Because they have lives, and things to achieve, and they have different personalities. with the aliens they all act the same, and with them its just reproduce reproduce reproduce "hey look a predator" kill kill kill..
The predator. very advanced.very animalistic. me
Everyone wants to be a predator. That's pretty obvious.
That's not what the question's asking though. It's asking which creature people prefer.
I WOULD PIC PREDATORS BECUASE THERE DESIGN IS AWSOME THEY BRING SOME ICONIC WEAPONS AND markings to the battle field there very gothic in my opinion and i prefer there fighting style
Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 23, 2008, 06:27:18 PM
Everyone wants to be a predator. That's pretty obvious.
Not true, I would preffer to be an ALien. Haha, kinda silly thing to say, but if it came down to the question, that is what I would pick. Simply, because the Preds rely on their tech to survive battles, while an Alien can adapt, and defend itself without the need of secondary weaponry. Aliens are more "biologically adavanced", while the Preds are more "Technoligically advanced".
At the end of the day, it's all who can "survive", and without a constant power source, Preds would be screwed. 8)
Still prefer the Xenomorph, always have. As for what I'd want to be, the answers a Predator. More fun to be had :)
Ya...like hiding in the ladies' change room.
if I had to be one I'd be an Alien. I like to wing it without taking too much thought rather than to depend on all sorts of fancy equipment and planning and hiding.
Quote from: dalekidea on Dec 11, 2008, 08:16:35 PM
I WOULD PIC PREDATORS BECUASE THERE DESIGN IS AWSOME THEY BRING SOME ICONIC WEAPONS AND markings to the battle field there very gothic in my opinion and i prefer there fighting style
.....Gothic (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.superherohype.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2F6jwk55l.gif&hash=fd0a9ed5f11662edbc62164eeea9659546105dd8)
He's not completely off the ball there. Looking at the blade and shuriken designs in AvP makes me think the same thing, for that movie.
I say Alien are better.
In AvP2 game:Effective Vision.
Strong Attacks.
Stunning
Pred in AvP2 game:Slow.
Too many vision.
Plasma noobs
In movie alien:Killed 2 pred and survived the celtric pred net.
Hyper Speed
Camoflage in darkness
Even a small facehugger killed adults.(like An adult vs a baby)
In movie pred:Vision is very poor.Cant see far.
Slow
Why is Scar so stupid to mark his mask in the middle of a war.He should have done it AFTER he have escaped.
Preds are like....think very unfair.Juz becuz they lose.They throw tanthrums and self destruct.
So we are forced to conclude:Aliens or better than predators. ;D
Quote from: Raptor Mistikan on Dec 31, 2008, 03:41:22 AM
In movie alien:Killed 2 pred and survived the celtric pred net.
Hyper Speed
Camoflage in darkness
Even a small facehugger killed adults.(like An adult vs a baby)
So we are forced to conclude:Aliens or better than predators. ;D
By that logic, I can say Predators are better b/c Wolf killed over 15 Aliens single-handedly with no trouble.
Definitely Predator. Why? It's simple...
- great design
- great culture
- great technology and weapon
- they're strong and winged
- they're great hunters
- ... and I love them.
Of course I can't say that aliens are damp or something, no none of this. They're cool, but I tnike Predators are just much more greater.
Quote from: Dingo on Apr 01, 2007, 12:10:20 PM
I say predator. They fight with honor and if they lose, they blow everyting up so no one wins. It's their way or no way.
God your predator fanboys are funny. First inconsistancy and I havent even finished the first page HAHA! NO! Predators dont blow up everything when they lose omgwtfpwn they are so awesome....
Predator 2...he was killed...plain and simple. Nothing blew up...the other preds rewarded Danny Glover with the gun and flew off. Get your facts straight.
Quote from: LukeSpidey on Jan 13, 2009, 10:23:34 PM
Definitely Predator. Why? It's simple...
- great design
- great culture
- great technology and weapon
- they're strong and winged
- they're great hunters
- ... and I love them.
Of course I can't say that aliens are damp or something, no none of this. They're cool, but I tnike Predators are just much more greater.
I disagree...
1. Their design is not great...its a bi-pedal creature with an ugly face and the build of a human...hardly original (unlike the alien which I believe is a much greater and original design)
2. Great hunters? I guess but one could argue the alien is just as good if not better.
3. Technology? Meh...so they have shoulder cannons and spears and wolverine-type retractable claws....hardly great technolgy. The alien kills and kills extremely well with its bare hands and teeth.
Quote from: Brett S.E. on Apr 22, 2007, 02:11:02 PM
I've got to go with the aliens. If you take the mask off a predator it's practically blind and useless.
EXACTLY!
Quote from: Predboy on May 07, 2007, 11:22:39 PM
Quote from: JaredK21 on May 03, 2007, 03:12:31 AM
Aliens are nothing without a host. That's their greatest weakness. If it wasn't for a host they'd just be eggs...sitting on a derelict ship for who knows how long.
I definitely say Predators. As far as we know nothing can compete with them. Their drive for hunting bigger, and more dangerous game sets them apart from every other race. I like to think that Predators started off as primitive beings and gradually hunted other races and adapted/stole their technology, while still keeping their primitive roots. Hence the combination of a primitive being with highly advanced modifications. It's an awesome combo.
Predators didn't steal their technology, they made it on their own, like humans did. Or did we? ::)
Quote from: White Okami on May 05, 2007, 06:05:48 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 05, 2007, 05:47:59 PM
Predators all the way!
Theyr much cooler and i think the design is awesome, i just love everything about them 8)
I like aliens too, but there are just too much like little cockroaches and easy to kill, predators are much tougher and meaner, when you encounter an alien youre gone with one headbite, but what about a predator shoots off your arm and lift you in the air when he has his wristblades in your belly? ;D
Sick, and i love it ;D
So Predators for me.
to have real honer is to use only what you have on your body not something like a gun or knife thats why i go with aliens but preds do more hunting then aliens aliens just kill so i im not sure anymore
Preds dont always use weapons all the time, if you watch pred 1, you'll see the predator beating the living shit out of Arnie. It shows there badass with and without their weapons, although it sucks that it died at the end. It would've been nice to see the pred rip Arnie to shreds and rip his skull out while he was still alive. Imagine the screams. ;D :o
The reason the pred went againts Arnold hand to hand is cause ARNOLD TOOK HIS HELMET OFF! The predators cant see sh!t with out it and are practically reduced to fighting hand to hand. This situation againts an alien would prove fatal.
Alien 1
Predator 0
40 pages left to sift through....
Quote from: Yautja666 on Jun 09, 2007, 06:59:28 AM
Predator for me.
They are an advanced species very well balanced between physical level and technology. They travel the universe, hunt creatures, the more dangerous the creatures is the most honor they can get, exposing throphies with pride. Their design is brillant, their noises and sounds is thrilling and unnmatched.
Tell me your joking? The predator design is something a 12 year old can make it. It walks on two feet just like a human, has the arms and legs of a human...and a face that looks like a crab....yeah great design there...design of the century ::) Noises and sounds I would hardly call unmatched. The make a clicking sound and roar....big deal? They sound like crickets.
I would say melding the hiss of a cat/snake and the ultra high pitched scream an ALIEN has is much more original.
aliens have the arms and legs of humans with a banana head and tail . . . what's your point, they're both good designs.
The Alien is skinnier than the average human I think.
The species I mostly prefer is the Aliens. I don't know why, but I know that I'm more into dark films instead of action packed ones. Though the Predators were cool, but their no match against the all mighty Aliens or Xenomorphs to some people 8)
The all-mighty Aliens? No wonder you hated AvP:R.
Damn straight >:(
Quote from: happypred on Jan 14, 2009, 12:49:32 AM
aliens have the arms and legs of humans with a banana head and tail . . . what's your point, they're both good designs.
They have a much more "original" design than the predator.
1. Hands are different than that of a humans...predators arent...5 fingers.
2. They have a tail...predator doesnt
3. They have spines coming off of their back...predator doesnt.
4. Head is vastly different and more orignal than the predators...
5. They can crawl on the walls or ceilings..predator just walks around...like a human.
6. There are very different species of alien...you got the warrior, queen (which looks completely different than the warrior) and the face hugger...which looks completely different than the previous two. Predators ALL look the same. And I dont wanna hear the arguement that there are different pred races/tribes or whatever. They all LOOK and ACT the same...save for different color skin and crap hanging from them (Bones, trophies, etc.)
Thats my point.
when I asked "what's your point," I wasn't asking you to repeat your argument, I was pointing out that your argument is grounded in personal opinion/taste rather than logic
Jesus christ Quaglax, relax yourself. So some people like predators better, doesn't mean you have to freakin attack them. People have different opinions.
Quote from: QuaglaxI disagree...
1. Their design is not great...its a bi-pedal creature with an ugly face and the build of a human...hardly original (unlike the alien which I believe is a much greater and original design)
You haven't seen the original desing for Predator, have you?
2. Great hunters? I guess but one could argue the alien is just as good if not better.
3. Technology? Meh...so they have shoulder cannons and spears and wolverine-type retractable claws....hardly great technolgy. The alien kills and kills extremely well with its bare hands and teeth.
And what about the spaceships, computers, nuclear bomb on the arm. Besides the comics we didn't see the planet od Predators in the big screen, anly for a moment in AvP:R. Did someone say that Predators can't kill with their bare hands?
Quote from: Quaglax5. They can crawl on the walls or ceilings..predator just walks around...like a human.
What about jumping from tree to tree at ease?
Aliens and predators both have quite striking and original designs. I think the alien design is somewhat more original, the eerie biomechanical appearance is one of a kind. However when people try to pass off their opinion that the alien design is vastly more original or superior as objective truth, I'll expose their bullshit if I come across it.
Quote from: Quaglax on Jan 13, 2009, 11:02:16 PM
Quote from: Yautja666 on Jun 09, 2007, 06:59:28 AM
Predator for me.
They are an advanced species very well balanced between physical level and technology. They travel the universe, hunt creatures, the more dangerous the creatures is the most honor they can get, exposing throphies with pride. Their design is brillant, their noises and sounds is thrilling and unnmatched.
Tell me your joking? The predator design is something a 12 year old can make it. It walks on two feet just like a human, has the arms and legs of a human...and a face that looks like a crab....yeah great design there...design of the century ::) Noises and sounds I would hardly call unmatched. The make a clicking sound and roar....big deal? They sound like crickets.
I would say melding the hiss of a cat/snake and the ultra high pitched scream an ALIEN has is much more original.
...wow, just another flaming alien fanboy. Normally I would repond to the certain bullshit things you put in your posts, but hell, your posts are full of them, so Im not even gonna bother. I made the mistake of aregueing with an idiot before, I aint makin that mistake again.
Quaglax, theres a difference between stating your opinion and bashing the work of a great designer.
Cut it out.
Quote from: Quaglax on Jan 14, 2009, 10:48:36 PM
1. Hands are different than that of a humans...predators arent...5 fingers.
They have a stub of a finger at the base of the back of their hand, actually. Five and a half fingers.
Quote2. They have a tail...predator doesnt
He has mandibles.
Quote3. They have spines coming off of their back...predator doesnt.
The first had quills running down its back.
Quote1. Hands are different than that of a humans...predators arent...5 fingers.
Like Sil already said they have a stub of a finger, Alien's hands are pretty much like a human too, except they have 6 fingers but the shape is almost the same. Its very human like.
Quote2. They have a tail...predator doesnt
Look at Sil´s response. And i dont see why a character that doesnt have a tail is so much more bad.
Quote
4. Head is vastly different and more original than the predators...
If you consider a head that looks like a giant sex toy more original then yeah you're right.
Quote5. They can crawl on the walls or ceilings..predator just walks around...like a human.
I have never seen a Human Jumping from tree to tree or someone climbing up a sky scraper by hand.
Quote6. Predators ALL look the same. And I don't wanna hear the argument that there are different pred races/tribes or whatever. They all LOOK and ACT the same...save for different color skin and crap hanging from them (Bones, trophies, etc.)
Except for the fact that they don't look and act the same, I recommend watching Predator and Predator 2 before posting something about a creature you obviously don't know shit about.
Damn, just when you thought you left IMDB behind its coming back to you :P
Quote6. Predators ALL look the same. And I don't wanna hear the argument that there are different pred races/tribes or whatever. They all LOOK and ACT the same...save for different color skin and crap hanging from them (Bones, trophies, etc.)
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B/c every single Alien we've seen was vastly different in terms of physical design right? Kane's Son and The Warriors were identical save for the head, and the A:R and AvP Aliens were the same design. The only one that really stands out as unique is the Dog Alien b/c it's a quadruped.
Alien for me. Equally for their design and portrayal in the first three movies as shadowy figures lurking somewhere and teifying creature. The design is BEAUTIFUL, from the art angle this is a masterpiece. The body is unlike any human body, moving in an awkward and creepy way, and the deco on the body is just a great work. And the head is very menacing, having no eyes adds another dimension because you dont know if its looking at you or not and thats whats scary.
The eyes are the window of the soul, well, what if a creature has no eyes? thats a powerful and scary metaphor
And the way theyre portrayed as those almost unbeatable creatures with no remorse or reasoning.
Having said that, Predator's design is very cool too, but I actually like the mask of the '87 predator better than the actual face. I like that idea that such sleek and advanced looking mask hides such barbarian and hideous monster face
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 16, 2009, 01:23:10 PM
Alien's hands are pretty much like a human too, except they have 6 fingers but the shape is almost the same. Its very human like.
Well, no, no they aren't. The first one had all the tubes, plus the four main fingers are merged together. Everything from then on kept the fused fingers, but had massively oversized fleshy hands that looked more like someone got lazy while making a flipper and only did half of it.
QuoteI have never seen a Human Jumping from tree to tree
Dude! Tarzan! :P
Quote from: SiL on Jan 24, 2009, 02:30:32 AM
QuoteI have never seen a Human Jumping from tree to tree
Dude! Tarzan! :P
Another example
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QuoteWell, no, no they aren't. The first one had all the tubes, plus the four main fingers are merged together. Everything from then on kept the fused fingers, but had massively oversized fleshy hands that looked more like someone got lazy while making a flipper and only did half of it.
Yes but i said the shape is
almost the same, not exactly the same, and it is very human like.
Now the Aliens from Alien Rez, AvP and AvP-R, thats what i call a un-human shape.
QuoteDude! Tarzan!
Not really, Tarzan used parts of the Jungle to
hang him from tree to tree, totally different thing. :P
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 24, 2009, 08:13:52 AM
Not really, Tarzan used parts of the Jungle to hang him from tree to tree, totally different thing. :P
Tarzan swung from tree to tree. One of the things he learned from apes.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 24, 2009, 05:27:01 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 24, 2009, 08:13:52 AM
Not really, Tarzan used parts of the Jungle to hang him from tree to tree, totally different thing. :P
Tarzan swung from tree to tree. One of the things he learned from apes.
Still a different thing.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 16, 2009, 01:23:10 PM
Quote1. Hands are different than that of a humans...predators arent...5 fingers.
Like Sil already said they have a stub of a finger, Alien's hands are pretty much like a human too, except they have 6 fingers but the shape is almost the same. Its very human like.
Quote2. They have a tail...predator doesnt
Look at Sil´s response. And i dont see why a character that doesnt have a tail is so much more bad.
Quote
4. Head is vastly different and more original than the predators...
If you consider a head that looks like a giant sex toy more original then yeah you're right.
Quote5. They can crawl on the walls or ceilings..predator just walks around...like a human.
I have never seen a Human Jumping from tree to tree or someone climbing up a sky scraper by hand.
Quote6. Predators ALL look the same. And I don't wanna hear the argument that there are different pred races/tribes or whatever. They all LOOK and ACT the same...save for different color skin and crap hanging from them (Bones, trophies, etc.)
Except for the fact that they don't look and act the same, I recommend watching Predator and Predator 2 before posting something about a creature you obviously don't know shit about.
Damn, just when you thought you left IMDB behind its coming back to you :P
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1397393/french_spiderman_climbs_skyscraper/
;D
And again different thing, there were gaps in the building.
Aside from the fact that i wouldn't do it because i have acrophobia i could probably climb up that building.
I don't see the guy bumping his claws into the building and climbing up, all he basically does is pulling him up step by step with the help of the gaps.
If you wanna go that route you could say that a human can hang on a ceiling with the help of something. It would be a different thing too.
I rememer that, the Pred in P2 had climbed up the waal by driving his claws into the wall. That must have hurt.
I wonder how the Aliens literally "stick" to the walls and ceiling without the use of driving their claws in the wall. They must use something like Spiders, with mini claws, or barbs to help grip the imperfections in the walls.
Quote from: Chris P on Jan 27, 2009, 08:11:21 PM
I rememer that, the Pred in P2 had climbed up the waal by driving his claws into the wall. That must have hurt.
He's a predator he can take it. :)
The claws are probably stronger and more durable than you think.
Predators,well..the usual reason..they're cooler arent they ;)
If I have to choose between the Alien and the Predator, I've have to choose the Alien. Because the Aliens were more, how do you say? Cooler and interesting to watch. Though the Predator were awesome, but not that awesome like the Aliens. ;D
Aliens!!! By far. The Aliens even as babies they kill, what can a Predator baby do? I also like the idea some said about Pred-Alien vs Queen. Sorry im stealing that for a poll. Aliens 4 ever!
Predators definitly.
I really luv preds but its always gonna b aliens, they were the first ones i saw and iv luved them ever since
I like Aliens, but LOVE Predators. The Aliens have a cool design, but the Predators have the code of honour. Either that, or the Wrist-Blades and Shoulder-Cannon are just sooo cool.
i used to think it wuz aliens but now i'm really not sure which i prefer
Who is better Alien or Predator? Well I pick alien because there my favorite. I like them because they don't need weapons to kill people or predator
I like Predators better because they seem to have the upper hand on everything.
They are smarter then us, they developed all the technology and unless every other alien out there they don't fight for their survival, they only go to other places to hunt and to kill for their own pleasure. We only serve one purpose, prey. The whole hunting concept which combines technology and primitive, tribal aspects is very interesting.
Not to mention their great design and behaviour, which makes them really 3 dimensional characters instead of mindless killers.
Just a few out of a dozend reasons.
I think theres already a topic on this but im too lazy to look :D
I like both
but predators more because of the higher "cool" factor
aliens are creepier but predators are just badass
Aliens. When the trilogy was still the trilogy, those creatures were the deadliest and most mysterious creatures. You could never exactly see them, they were always in the shadow and you could see them for a split second before they jumped on the camera. Cocoons everywhere, seqailing...all that stuff was just great. The design is so unique with no eyes and banana shaped head and skeleton body.
Resurection turned them into big cliche cockroaches but screw resurrection
Predators...theyre great as well, but theyre more of a comic book characters with that bodybuilder with dreads feaures. Dont get me wrong, I love the predator of the original movie (not so much any others) and the movie was very tense and suspensful, you couldnt stop watching it and you were so eager to see the hunter and you couldnt tell whats gonna happen next. But like I said, theyre space warriors - thats a very comic book scifi approach, while Alliens are rooted in pure horror and lurk in the shadows. They dont have any feel of honor, desire, pitty and will not negotiate with you. It will jump you from the shadows and kill you on sight
For me it would have to be the Predators cuz i love em so MUCH! lol ;D but really do love aliens too but i really dig the preds in this :D
Quote from: xi killa yu on Feb 14, 2009, 02:37:21 AM
Who is better Alien or Predator? Well I pick alien because there my favorite. I like them because they don't need weapons to kill people or predator
Yeah, but they certainly need humans or for that matter, any other organic, living thing in order to survive and propgate. Without a host, Aliens would become totally obsolete. So much for the
"Perfect Organism."
Quote from: wolfboy22 on Feb 14, 2009, 04:04:06 AM
I think theres already a topic on this but im too lazy to look :D
Yea inoe i noticed that after i did this topic, i wuz like damn i feel like a copy catter ::)
I chose Aliens. They are what opened me up to this universe, and I loved them since seeing Alien!
Predators because they have cool weapons and technology and they are very smart and efficient killers ;D 8)
Aliens
Dont need to give a reason really just look at the Trilogy you'll see.
Man that still isn't in the right topic.
You want "AvP vs AvPR". In the AvP movies section.
I say Predator. Just for its cool design. It ain't like other green aliens that you can see in cartoons, they're more original (the cloaking generator, plasma caster, disc, wristblades). I like the Predator mask idea too! Without it, the predator wouldn't look so cool (it would still be cool though :p)
Well, aliens are cool too. I like their design and life cycle and they only have 2 instincts - breed and survive
Well, I'd say 10.5/10 for predator
and 10.4/10 for alien, LoL
Gotta be Alien. I may prefer Predators as a creature but the first alien film is just amazing. First time you watch it, so much suspense, so much atmosphere. Shame it's the only one of the alien film series I "Really" like. Aliens is good too though.
ALIEN: Better at surviving.
Without the gadgets, Predators would be SOL.
Based on what exactly? Predators use their tech heavily, but you're implying they require it to survive in every situation.
I like Gill... ;)
I liked the Arm-blade!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 25, 2009, 04:32:13 PM
Based on what exactly? Predators use their tech heavily, but you're implying they require it to survive in every situation.
I meant in a fight for survival, like facing a worthy opponent. Obviously it could survive without it, but if it came down to Alien and Predator, head-to-head with no weapons, just what the good Lord gave 'em, then the Pred would last about 5 seconds, before finding a tail up his ass and a jaw through his head.
Bottom line: (you can quote me): "
Alien was born to kill and is a way better killing machine".
*Keeping in mind, that even with weapons and gadgets, Grid in AVP was able to kill 2 Preds. Why? Cause his instincts were higher advanced, probably because the ALiens in themselves are not capable of harnessing advanced tech, (as far as we know), so they would have had to develope an outstanding self-preservation gene which of coarse would include a hightened awareness and ability to outsmart opponents.
Preds are cool, no doupt, but Alien takes the cake on over-all winner in survival, and power. (Aliens have unbelievable mechanical strenght, as seen in every film).
8)
Quote from: Chris P on Mar 26, 2009, 10:47:03 PM
*Keeping in mind, that even with weapons and gadgets, Grid in AVP was able to kill 2 Preds. Why? Cause his instincts were higher advanced, probably because the ALiens in themselves are not capable of harnessing advanced tech, (as far as we know), so they would have had to develope an outstanding self-preservation gene which of coarse would include a hightened awareness and ability to outsmart opponents.
Grid didn't outsmart either Predator in AvP. He just got lucky. Gill was distracted, and Celtic got cocky. Grid didn't show any form of superior intelligence over either one of them, save for almost getting the drop of Celtic before being netted.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 27, 2009, 12:05:33 AM
Quote from: Chris P on Mar 26, 2009, 10:47:03 PM
*Keeping in mind, that even with weapons and gadgets, Grid in AVP was able to kill 2 Preds. Why? Cause his instincts were higher advanced, probably because the ALiens in themselves are not capable of harnessing advanced tech, (as far as we know), so they would have had to develope an outstanding self-preservation gene which of coarse would include a hightened awareness and ability to outsmart opponents.
Grid didn't outsmart either Predator in AvP. He just got lucky. Gill was distracted, and Celtic got cocky. Grid didn't show any form of superior intelligence over either one of them, save for almost getting the drop of Celtic before being netted.
Grid DID outsmart them.
Here's why:
1. Gill was unfocussed, or focussed too much on Lex, and left himself vulnurable. Grid siezed the opportunity, not luck, planning and analysing a situation before making a move.
2. Grid knew he could use his own blood to free himself when trapped, so self awareness played a role in that.
3. Celtic was a young pred, yet still skilled enough to be sent there. He faaught well, but didn't considder all aspects of his fight.
4. Grid (again with self awareness...) was able to fling acid at Celtic from affar, causing Celtic to loose his armour. Was that luck? Maybe, but seems more like smarts to me. Cause Grid could have simply ran back at Celtic and tried to brawl it out again instead of using his tail as a ranged weapon.
5. When Scar was firing off his gun, Grid dodged it, but then halted the flanking as the others went on. Why? Cause he saw that it was pointless and he calculated his chances.
Grid not only outsmarted the preds, but he outmatched them in persivearance, stealth and self preservation.
You can't say he "got lucky", cause that wouldn't make sense. Those fights were all about skill and who knew their opponent more. --Funny, you would think the preds would have been able to asume the ALiens instinctive attacks. ::)
Let's not forget that when Gill was impaled and was facing Grid, he could have swung an arm blade up and attacked Grid, or cut the tail off while being lifted, but decided not to. Why? No will to live I think. That was the difference:
... With the Preds, it was a game, a hunt, with Grid, it was all about survival and therefore gave hime the strength to continue on, even when the odds were stacked against him.
And you're forgetting that the Predators were sent there on a blooding ritual. It's unlikely they knew how Aliens really behaved in combat.
As for Gill swinging his blades, he was probably dead as soon as Grid nailed him because that tail went right through his spinal cord. Can't really do much if you're effectively paralysed.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 27, 2009, 05:15:40 PM
As for Gill swinging his blades, he was probably dead as soon as Grid nailed him because that tail went right through his spinal cord. Can't really do much if you're effectively paralysed.
So the same should have happened with Scar when he was impaled with an even lerger Queen tail. Yet he still was able to roar his head off and stay alive long enough for lex to watch the queen fall and go see how he was.
No doubt he would have been dead quickly, but paralyzed? There is no evidence to support that Predators could even fall prey to that outcome!
Quote from: Chris P on Mar 27, 2009, 12:26:39 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 27, 2009, 12:05:33 AM
Quote from: Chris P on Mar 26, 2009, 10:47:03 PM
*Keeping in mind, that even with weapons and gadgets, Grid in AVP was able to kill 2 Preds. Why? Cause his instincts were higher advanced, probably because the ALiens in themselves are not capable of harnessing advanced tech, (as far as we know), so they would have had to develope an outstanding self-preservation gene which of coarse would include a hightened awareness and ability to outsmart opponents.
Grid didn't outsmart either Predator in AvP. He just got lucky. Gill was distracted, and Celtic got cocky. Grid didn't show any form of superior intelligence over either one of them, save for almost getting the drop of Celtic before being netted.
Grid DID outsmart them.
Here's why:
1. Gill was unfocussed, or focussed too much on Lex, and left himself vulnurable. Grid siezed the opportunity, not luck, planning and analysing a situation before making a move.
2. Grid knew he could use his own blood to free himself when trapped, so self awareness played a role in that.
3. Celtic was a young pred, yet still skilled enough to be sent there. He faaught well, but didn't considder all aspects of his fight.
4. Grid (again with self awareness...) was able to fling acid at Celtic from affar, causing Celtic to loose his armour. Was that luck? Maybe, but seems more like smarts to me. Cause Grid could have simply ran back at Celtic and tried to brawl it out again instead of using his tail as a ranged weapon.
5. When Scar was firing off his gun, Grid dodged it, but then halted the flanking as the others went on. Why? Cause he saw that it was pointless and he calculated his chances.
Grid not only outsmarted the preds, but he outmatched them in persivearance, stealth and self preservation.
You can't say he "got lucky", cause that wouldn't make sense. Those fights were all about skill and who knew their opponent more. --Funny, you would think the preds would have been able to asume the ALiens instinctive attacks. ::)
Let's not forget that when Gill was impaled and was facing Grid, he could have swung an arm blade up and attacked Grid, or cut the tail off while being lifted, but decided not to. Why? No will to live I think. That was the difference:
... With the Preds, it was a game, a hunt, with Grid, it was all about survival and therefore gave hime the strength to continue on, even when the odds were stacked against him.
Quote from: Chris P on Mar 27, 2009, 07:05:39 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 27, 2009, 05:15:40 PM
As for Gill swinging his blades, he was probably dead as soon as Grid nailed him because that tail went right through his spinal cord. Can't really do much if you're effectively paralysed.
So the same should have happened with Scar when he was impaled with an even lerger Queen tail. Yet he still was able to roar his head off and stay alive long enough for lex to watch the queen fall and go see how he was.
No doubt he would have been dead quickly, but paralyzed? There is no evidence to support that Predators could even fall prey to that outcome!
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I'll save this conversation!
Quote from: Chris P on Mar 27, 2009, 07:05:39 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 27, 2009, 05:15:40 PM
As for Gill swinging his blades, he was probably dead as soon as Grid nailed him because that tail went right through his spinal cord. Can't really do much if you're effectively paralysed.
So the same should have happened with Scar when he was impaled with an even lerger Queen tail. Yet he still was able to roar his head off and stay alive long enough for lex to watch the queen fall and go see how he was.
He was roaring. Not much else.
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2. Grid knew he could use his own blood to free himself when trapped, so self awareness played a role in that.
No it didn't, luck did. The net was tightening up on Grid because that was its function, and the only reason he was able to break free was because of celtic being too cocky, which made him
lucky, and was the only reason why he was able to walk out alive.
QuoteYou can't say he "got lucky", cause that wouldn't make sense. Those fights were all about skill and who knew their opponent more.
Read above.
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3. Celtic was a young pred, yet still skilled enough to be sent there. He faaught well, but didn't considder all aspects of his fight.
...what?
QuoteLet's not forget that when Gill was impaled and was facing Grid, he could have swung an arm blade up and attacked Grid, or cut the tail off while being lifted, but decided not to. Why? No will to live I think. That was the difference:
I see, no will to live, or could it have been having just been impaled through the back where most likely the spinal cord could have been, had anything to do with it?
Gawd, you gotta love this thread!
Seein us fanboys duke it out while you watch the show huh. :D
Quote from: Predboy on Mar 28, 2009, 02:53:24 AM
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2. Grid knew he could use his own blood to free himself when trapped, so self awareness played a role in that.
No it didn't, luck did. The net was tightening up on Grid because that was its function, and the only reason he was able to break free was because of celtic being too cocky, which made him lucky, and was the only reason why he was able to walk out alive.
Obviously he knew, as his first reaction was not to see if he was alright, or charge Celtic, but to whip his tail in a manner that would imply he knew what he was doing, and it's intended purpose.
If you say any of the other films, the ALiens's main attacks are to sneak up on prey, if causght it goes into overdrive mad-man mode. As seen in the beginning of the fight between Grid and Celtic. (he lunged and jumped on him).,
Aliens are NOT long ranged attackers and in bleeding out like Grid was, he was able to analyse the situation and fling his own acidic blood at Celtic.
Also, if it was "luck", how was it the queen and her brood knew that if biting her and causing her to bleed on the chains that it would break them? Luck? I don't think so, sounds more like smartz to me. 8)
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3. Celtic was a young pred, yet still skilled enough to be sent there. He faaught well, but didn't considder all aspects of his fight.
...what?
Celtic was sloppy. He held his own for a while, and getting "cocky" had no effect on Grids decisions.
Also, on the side note:
- When Grid was trapped, yes, the net was pulling in, but if you look closely, you will see that gridd was pushing back on the net as to cause him to bleed and then break free. It wasn't like he was trapped and the next just cut itself, no. Grid pushed, it was plain to see.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 28, 2009, 01:25:33 AM
Quote from: Chris P on Mar 27, 2009, 07:05:39 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 27, 2009, 05:15:40 PM
As for Gill swinging his blades, he was probably dead as soon as Grid nailed him because that tail went right through his spinal cord. Can't really do much if you're effectively paralysed.
So the same should have happened with Scar when he was impaled with an even lerger Queen tail. Yet he still was able to roar his head off and stay alive long enough for lex to watch the queen fall and go see how he was.
He was roaring. Not much else.
Ah, but with those breathes, he could have swung a wrist blade. He was still breathing and moving his head when lex came over, therefore:
Paralyzed is out. He would have rathered die honorably I guess, as opposed to take one final blow.
Verdict? Not luck, intellegance and instincts.
Quote from: Predboy on Mar 28, 2009, 06:24:32 PM
Seein us fanboys duke it out while you watch the show huh. :D
Duke? More like me dominate. ;D
Quote from: Chris P on Mar 28, 2009, 06:31:38 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 28, 2009, 01:25:33 AM
Quote from: Chris P on Mar 27, 2009, 07:05:39 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 27, 2009, 05:15:40 PM
As for Gill swinging his blades, he was probably dead as soon as Grid nailed him because that tail went right through his spinal cord. Can't really do much if you're effectively paralysed.
So the same should have happened with Scar when he was impaled with an even lerger Queen tail. Yet he still was able to roar his head off and stay alive long enough for lex to watch the queen fall and go see how he was.
He was roaring. Not much else.
Ah, but with those breathes, he could have swung a wrist blade. He was still breathing and moving his head when lex came over, therefore: Paralyzed is out. He would have rathered die honorably I guess, as opposed to take one final blow.
Verdict? Not luck, intellegance and instincts.
No he couldn't have. A) he was dying B) he fired them off at the Queen's neck when she broke out of the ice.
Quote from: Chris P on Mar 28, 2009, 06:32:10 PM
Quote from: Predboy on Mar 28, 2009, 06:24:32 PM
Seein us fanboys duke it out while you watch the show huh. :D
Duke? More like me dominate. ;D
We'll see about that. :)
Quote from: Chris P on Mar 28, 2009, 06:31:38 PM
Quote from: Predboy on Mar 28, 2009, 02:53:24 AM
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2. Grid knew he could use his own blood to free himself when trapped, so self awareness played a role in that.
No it didn't, luck did. The net was tightening up on Grid because that was its function, and the only reason he was able to break free was because of celtic being too cocky, which made him lucky, and was the only reason why he was able to walk out alive.
Obviously he knew, as his first reaction was not to see if he was alright, or charge Celtic, but to whip his tail in a manner that would imply he knew what he was doing, and it's intended purpose.
If you say any of the other films, the ALiens's main attacks are to sneak up on prey, if causght it goes into overdrive mad-man mode. As seen in the beginning of the fight between Grid and Celtic. (he lunged and jumped on him).,
Aliens are NOT long ranged attackers and in bleeding out like Grid was, he was able to analyse the situation and fling his own acidic blood at Celtic.
Also, if it was "luck", how was it the queen and her brood knew that if biting her and causing her to bleed on the chains that it would break them? Luck? I don't think so, sounds more like smartz to me. 8)
Dude...what are you talkng about. We're talking about when Grid was trapped in the net, no those other times.
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Celtic was sloppy. He held his own for a while, and getting "cocky" had no effect on Grids decisions.
No, but it did on the final outcome of the fight. You know just as well as anyone else that if Celtic didn't waste time walking all 'hard and macho' Grid would've been f**ked. ;)
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- When Grid was trapped, yes, the net was pulling in, but if you look closely, you will see that gridd was pushing back on the net as to cause him to bleed and then break free. It wasn't like he was trapped and the next just cut itself, no. Grid pushed, it was plain to see.
Just your opinion. Anyone else can say the net did all the work, as well as saying Grid did. For all we know, being caught by the net, falling through a brick floor and spining down out of control could've dazed Grid and he probably didn't know what was going on, until the net started cutting him. But, this is just all how someone else would see it. I guess we'll never know. :)
QuoteNo, but it did on the final outcome of the fight. You know just as well as anyone else that if Celtic didn't waste time walking all 'hard and macho' Grid would've been f**ked. ;)
Nope, Grid still had the edge the entire fight. From jumping on Celtic, to still going 100% after being pwned in the face into the pillar, to eventually killing him. Celtic was always on the bottom (except for the throw he did). As much of a "macho" dude he was, so was Grid. When they faced off after that, Gris spent some time to let out a cocky smile and hiss, so I say they both made the same efforts to be all high and mighty, just Grid had the ballz to back himself up. ;)
By the way.... about the luck factor: I just remembered, when Grid and Celtic were wrestling on the ground, Celtic NOT getting impaled then was completely luck, His only hope that occurred was that kick which threw Grid off him.
QuoteI guess we'll never know.
Actually I know. Grid lived two doors down from me, We just had a BBQ dinner and I brought up the fight. He said I was right, he easilly pushed through that net, although he did say it hurt a little. ;) :D
Quote from: Chris P on Mar 28, 2009, 10:47:08 PM
Nope, Grid still had the edge the entire fight. From jumping on Celtic, to still going 100% after being pwned in the face into the pillar, to eventually killing him. Celtic was always on the bottom (except for the throw he did). As much of a "macho" dude he was, so was Grid. When they faced off after that, Gris spent some time to let out a cocky smile and hiss, so I say they both made the same efforts to be all high and mighty, just Grid had the ballz to back himself up. ;)
Nope. There were parts where Gid was getting his ass kicked and Celtic had the edge, and celtic wasn't always down. There's a part where he ended up pinning grid down when they were wrestling, when he tackled him through the wall, threw him across the room, and caught him in the net. :)
QuoteBy the way.... about the luck factor: I just remembered, when Grid and Celtic were wrestling on the ground, Celtic NOT getting impaled then was completely luck, His only hope that occurred was that kick which threw Grid off him.
Which would mean, he outsmarted Grid. ;) He knew that tail would f**k him hard up the ass if he didn't do anything, so he kicked him off. And may I mention when Celtic dodged Grid's on-comng tail, he decided to disarm him, by slicing off his tail. He knew, smart, little....big bastard. ;)
QuoteActually I know. Grid lived two doors down from me, We just had a BBQ dinner and I brought up the fight. He said I was right, he easilly pushed through that net, although he did say it hurt a little. ;) :D
Nah, I remember running into the queen once at Micky D's. She told me Grid was crying like a pussy in reality, and was literally pissing acid on himsef, which helped him break free. ;)
You "quoted" yourself. ;) But funny anyways. :D
Ah shit, I hate it when that happens.
Quote from: Predboy on Mar 29, 2009, 02:52:32 AM
Ah shit, I hate it when that happens.
Haha, I know eh? It sucks!
;D
For some reason, I've always thought of the Grid as the kinda "Alpha Male" of the Aliens.
He wasn't. He was the only you would recognize though because the scar on his head. But he wasn't a leader of any type.
I know, thats just a random idea I had.
Well, no in fact.
If you watch the film again, you'll see that Grid did position himself above the others for his two victories. He is the one leading the platoon into the queen chamber and orders the Aliens to retreat when they are getting impaled by Scar's Plasma Caster.
So, Cloverfan98, you were right. ;)
Grid's the only one to hear the Queen (the others are too busy being shot), and tells the others. This would mean he'd leave first and get their first. Doesn't mean he was their leader.
Thanks Chris! I guess it really just depends on how you look at it.
Y'know, if Grid was a Praetorian (like in AvP 2) it would have been cooler. A praetorian is smarter, stronger and MAYBE just as agile as an alien drone. But it would have made sense, since Grid stationed himself higher than the other drones, being a praetorian would have been waaay better.
The preatorians were described everywhere as being bigger, stronger but slower. I doubt she could move like a drone, let alone crawl on walls even. Not to mention it wouldn't be hat cool as the drones in AVP were fairly large for drones and made a good match. Compared to the Queen in AVP, the Preatorian would have been an "over-rated" villian and would kill them too easily. 8)
Yeah.
But what if... oh what's the use, I'l be wrong anyway!
Quote from: Chris P on Apr 01, 2009, 12:27:31 AM
The preatorians were described everywhere as being bigger, stronger but slower. I doubt she could move like a drone, let alone crawl on walls even. Not to mention it wouldn't be hat cool as the drones in AVP were fairly large for drones and made a good match. Compared to the Queen in AVP, the Preatorian would have been an "over-rated" villian and would kill them too easily. 8)
There's no real need for a Praetorian in a movie because the drones are all the Queen needs. Praetorians only exist for the sake of the games so the player has more aliens to shoot at.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 01, 2009, 02:59:54 PM
Quote from: Chris P on Apr 01, 2009, 12:27:31 AM
The preatorians were described everywhere as being bigger, stronger but slower. I doubt she could move like a drone, let alone crawl on walls even. Not to mention it wouldn't be hat cool as the drones in AVP were fairly large for drones and made a good match. Compared to the Queen in AVP, the Preatorian would have been an "over-rated" villian and would kill them too easily. 8)
There's no real need for a Praetorian in a movie because the drones are all the Queen needs. Praetorians only exist for the sake of the games so the player has more aliens to shoot at.
Thank goodness! Fox would totally RUIN the whole Praetorian thing with their
new designs for getting more people to see a total piece of crap!
Haha, is it spelled: "praetorian"? Cause I htink I have been spelling it "Preatorian" all this time. :D
Quote from: Chris P on Apr 02, 2009, 12:26:22 AM
Haha, is it spelled: "praetorian"? Cause I htink I have been spelling it "Preatorian" all this time. :D
Spell check is your friend ;)
Is "Praetorian" even in the spell check system? I doupt it.
SO in fact, it is my enemy. 8)
You should try it. You may even find a suitable replacement for the word "doupt". ;)
I like Predators.
Quote from: Chris P on Apr 02, 2009, 09:28:18 PM
Is "Praetorian" even in the spell check system? I doupt it.
SO in fact, it is my enemy. 8)
Praetorian is in the spell check system because the Praetorian guards were elite guards of Ancient Roman emperors. :D
Yeah, Chris. I've been meaning to ask you what "doupt" is ;)
Oh yeah, PREDATOR ALL THE WAY!!!!! :)
Doupt is my own word, it's in the "Chris P" dictionary. ;)
Where is this thing?!?!?! :D
My favorite creature is the Alien. I say so because I am tired of the aliens comstantly being beaten in the films. Alien established the fact that the creature is the perfect organism and yet... they always lose. I maintain that if another alien movie is made... the aliens should finally win because there is no plausible excuse for them to keep losing.
They have to lose to preserve continuity. They don't lose because they're hated.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2009, 03:30:20 AM
They have to lose to preserve continuity. They don't lose because they're hated.
I understand this but really... if they are the perfect organism then they should win every once and a while.
In the comics they do. Let's leave it at that.
Quote from: Alien Warrior on Apr 03, 2009, 04:30:25 AM
I understand this but really... if they are the perfect organism then they should win every once and a while.
The perfect organism to do what, exactly?
And didn't the Aliens win in the first AvP?
The chestburster at the end would certainly suggest it, yes?
The predalien didn't kill the Predators, all the other predators were standing around Scar's body in grief, then the chestburster came out and they all died of fright, one of them fell on the controls and totally p***ed the ship. :D
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 02, 2009, 09:38:46 PM
Quote from: Chris P on Apr 02, 2009, 09:28:18 PM
Is "Praetorian" even in the spell check system? I doupt it.
SO in fact, it is my enemy. 8)
Praetorian is in the spell check system because the Praetorian guards were elite guards of Ancient Roman emperors. :D
Yeah, Chris. I've been meaning to ask you what "doupt" is ;)
I like "doupt", it sound like Homer:
"DOU!"
QuoteOh yeah, PREDATOR ALL THE WAY!!!!! :)
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2009, 05:01:11 PM
The chestburster at the end would certainly suggest it, yes?
Yes...so that should satisfy
Alien Warrior's request for the alien to "win, every once in a while".
The funny thing is, they're always winning. There has to be a colossal explosion to actually neutralize them
The explosion happens when somebody eats too much chilli for supper.
I tend to lean towards the Aliens more because honestly I like the movies better but, they also seem more alien if you know what I mean than Preds. However, Predators are cool creatures. They seem to come across as a much more thinking species than doing everything based off instinct. They don't seem as mysterious as the Alien species to me. So in a sense humans can relate to Predators better because they seem more similar to us. I know a lot of fanboys from the Alien group don't like to hear that, but I consider myself a bigger Alien fan than Predator fan and that's still how I see it. :)
Aliens. A monstrous disease in animal form, spreading and consuming all life in its path.
Predator all the way. It's both physically and technologically more advanced than humans, something the Alien isn't.
Thats right, cuz aliens are retarded. ;D
Thats right, I said it, whos comin after me.
>_>
<_<
Not me. In essence I feel the same way, though my reasoning is a little more detailed :P
WOOT WOOT PREDATOR!
Quote from: Predboy on Apr 04, 2009, 01:27:13 AM
Thats right, cuz aliens are retarded. ;D
Thats right, I said it, whos comin after me.
>_>
<_<
I WILL EAT YOUR SOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just kidding Predators are awesome!
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Apr 04, 2009, 03:40:57 AM
Quote from: Predboy on Apr 04, 2009, 01:27:13 AM
Thats right, cuz aliens are retarded. ;D
Thats right, I said it, whos comin after me.
>_>
<_<
I WILL EAT YOUR SOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just kidding Predators are awesome!
HELL YAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!
Me likey Predy. Alien no likey. Alien smell like poopy. Fuuu...
Quote from: Predboy on Apr 04, 2009, 01:27:13 AM
Thats right, cuz aliens are retarded. ;D
Thats right, I said it, whos comin after me.
>_>
<_<
I am. Look outside. 8)
Quote from: Predboy on Apr 04, 2009, 01:27:13 AM
Thats right, cuz aliens are retarded. ;D
Thats right, I said it, whos comin after me.
>_>
<_<
You may want to sleep with one eye open from now on Mr...
Quote from: War Wager on Apr 04, 2009, 08:03:24 PM
Quote from: Predboy on Apr 04, 2009, 01:27:13 AM
Thats right, cuz aliens are retarded. ;D
Thats right, I said it, whos comin after me.
>_>
<_<
You may want to sleep with one eye open from now on Mr...
Yeah, us Alien fans don't take kindly to you people. War and I got our scopes on you. 8)
Psh, Predators hiding in the shadows will protect us.
As stupid as people may say Aliens are, they've got more brains than your average Predator fan.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2009, 10:02:20 PM
As stupid as people may say Aliens are, they've got more brains than your average Predator fan.
You my friend, are the man. 8)
Xenos all the way!
Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2009, 10:02:20 PM
As stupid as people may say Aliens are, they've got more brains than your average Predator fan.
I sincerely hope you weren't directing that at me, I was only being sarcastic...
Wasn't directed at anyone.
Quote from: Chris P on Apr 04, 2009, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2009, 10:02:20 PM
As stupid as people may say Aliens are, they've got more brains than your average Predator fan.
You my friend, are the man. 8)
Who insulted the aliens? I wanna show him a thing or two! Actually I'm gonna show him my butterfly collection... OK, where is he?
Quote from: SiL on Apr 05, 2009, 08:20:01 AM
Wasn't directed at anyone.
::) Suuurrreeee. Well then I will come out with it. I re-direct it at all pred fans. ;)
:P
As retarded as the Aliens seem....
blahblahblah.
They've only lost both AvP movies to the godly Preds, you know? The Preds don't have an upper hand or anything.....*sarcastic eyebrow-raise*
{Sits down and waits for WWIII to erupt}
Lost? No no.
The ALiens are 1) trapped in a prison of a pyramid. 2) They fight to the death, no matter what, while Preds run away, shoot form a distance, etc....
If it was up to pure survival skills, no tech to support either one, the ALiens would clearly dominate and wipe the Preds out. CLEAN.
Plus, Preds blow themselves up because of a little scratch, I call them a bunch of babies. Aliens get sliced and diced and still try their best. 8)
Quotehe ALiens are 1) trapped in a prison of a pyramid.
And that is a shame to begin with.
They only being made for the Predators pleasure, if they wouldn't want to fight aliens they would just kill them in a second, Aliens have to fight for their survival, Predators only getting in danger if they actually want to, they have a choice, aliens don't.
They queen gets put back on ice if they are finished.
QuoteThey fight to the death, no matter what, while Preds run away, shoot form a distance, etc....
Predators only run away because they are actually smart enough to not run into guns and objects that can kill them.
Its called having a brain.
And Predators fight to the death too and i actually think its quite an advantage they can shoot objects from a distance.
Use all the available tools that helps you to achieve your goal, because its foolish not to.
If the alien would actually be smart enough to invent something like that and use it, i think they would, its not like they dont need stuff like that.
QuoteIf it was up to pure survival skills, no tech to support either one, the Aliens would clearly dominate and wipe the Preds out. CLEAN.
I don't know about that. It sure as hell would be more difficult for the Preds, but they still got their claws, strength and speed.
QuotePlus, Preds blow themselves up because of a little scratch, I call them a bunch of babies.
Because of a little scratch? They only blow themselves up because they don't want their technology to go into the wrong hands or if they are deadly wounded.
Something the Alien cant do, again, its called
advantage.
They can kill thousands of aliens with one wrist bomb and can get rid of evidence with other bombs while Aliens can be caught easily for studying.
QuoteAliens get sliced and diced and still try their best.
And still fail.
And i don't know what movie you watched but if an Alien is sliced in half its worthless, its dead meat. Or just take a shotgun, will do the same job. :)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 05, 2009, 10:21:13 PM
Quotehe ALiens are 1) trapped in a prison of a pyramid.
And that is a shame to begin with.
They only being made for the Predators pleasure, if they wouldn't want to fight aliens they would just kill them in a second, Aliens have to fight for their survival, Predators only getting in danger if they actually want to, they have a choice, aliens don't.
They queen gets put back on ice if they are finished.
QuoteThey fight to the death, no matter what, while Preds run away, shoot form a distance, etc....
Predators only run away because they are actually smart enough to not run into guns and objects that can kill them.
Its called having a brain.
And Predators fight to the death too and i actually think its quite an advantage they can shoot objects from a distance.
Use all the available tools that helps you to achieve your goal, because its foolish not to.
If the alien would actually be smart enough to invent something like that and use it, i think they would, its not like they dont need stuff like that.
QuoteIf it was up to pure survival skills, no tech to support either one, the Aliens would clearly dominate and wipe the Preds out. CLEAN.
I don't know about that. It sure as hell would be more difficult for the Preds, but they still got their claws, strength and speed.
QuotePlus, Preds blow themselves up because of a little scratch, I call them a bunch of babies.
Because of a little scratch? They only blow themselves up because they don't want their technology to go into the wrong hands or if they are deadly wounded.
Something the Alien cant do, again, its called advantage.
They can kill thousands of aliens with one wrist bomb and can get rid of evidence with other bombs while Aliens can be caught easily for studying.
QuoteAliens get sliced and diced and still try their best.
And still fail.
And i don't know what movie you watched but if an Alien is sliced in half its worthless, its dead meat. Or just take a shotgun, will do the same job. :)
I couldn't have said it any better myself! Cheers for Johnny Handsome!!!!!
You basically covered a lot of stuff I would have said as well.
QuoteAnd i don't know what movie you watched but if an Alien is sliced in half its worthless, its dead meat.
Is this some kind of sarcastic joke aimed at me?
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 06, 2009, 09:16:55 AM
QuoteAnd i don't know what movie you watched but if an Alien is sliced in half its worthless, its dead meat.
Is this some kind of sarcastic joke aimed at me?
;D
Nope, i wasn't writing that with you in mind.
Aw... But I wanted it to be about me!
MOMMYYY!!!!!!!!!
;)
Poor deadmeat. :'(
;D
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 06, 2009, 08:29:14 PM
Poor deadmeat. :'(
;D
;D
A 220 year old shotgun still good for killing an alien through bullet surgery.
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 06, 2009, 08:33:13 PM
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 06, 2009, 08:29:14 PM
Poor deadmeat. :'(
;D
;D
A 220 year old shotgun still good for killing an alien through bullet surgery.
Well, I see we are lacking Aliens fans in this thread.
{Walks away from potential area for WWIII breakout ;D }
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 06, 2009, 11:47:17 PM
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 06, 2009, 08:33:13 PM
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 06, 2009, 08:29:14 PM
Poor deadmeat. :'(
;D
;D
A 220 year old shotgun still good for killing an alien through bullet surgery.
Well, I see we are lacking Aliens fans in this thread.
{Walks away from potential area for WWIII breakout ;D }
;D ;D ;D lol
Dude, that was rich!
;D ;D ;D lol
Thanks...question mark?
We need to try and get a nice debate.
I got it!
Aliens are stupid.
*satisfied glare*
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 07, 2009, 08:35:23 PM
Thanks...question mark?
We need to try and get a nice debate.
I got it!
Aliens are stupid.
*satisfied glare*
No
Quote from: dachande89 on Apr 07, 2009, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 07, 2009, 08:35:23 PM
Thanks...question mark?
We need to try and get a nice debate.
I got it!
Aliens are stupid.
*satisfied glare*
No
:( No what?
Just no. lol
Quote from: Chris P on Apr 04, 2009, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: War Wager on Apr 04, 2009, 08:03:24 PM
You may want to sleep with one eye open from now on Mr...
Yeah, us Alien fans don't take kindly to you people. War and I got our scopes on you. 8)
Psh, please. You know its true.
QuoteAs stupid as people may say Aliens are, they've got more brains than your average Predator fan.
:D
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 07, 2009, 08:35:23 PM
Thanks...question mark?
We need to try and get a nice debate.
I got it!
Aliens are stupid.
*satisfied glare*
Real smart (sarcastic).
I know - PREDATORS stink like a three month old steak! That they hunted themselves.
*satisfied glare returned*
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 08, 2009, 09:17:22 AM
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 07, 2009, 08:35:23 PM
Thanks...question mark?
We need to try and get a nice debate.
I got it!
Aliens are stupid.
*satisfied glare*
Real smart (sarcastic).
I know - PREDATORS stink like a three month old steak! That they hunted themselves.
*satisfied glare returned*
Wait, I don't get it. Do you like Aliens or Predators more? And what the f is "That they hunted themselves"?
In movie terms, I liked the Alien series far more.
In terms of races, I admire and relate to the Alien's survival instinct and the Predator's beliefs of hunting with honor. They are both great, original races in the SF genre.
Quote from: Kestor on Apr 08, 2009, 08:39:00 PM
In movie terms, I liked the Alien series far more.
In terms of races, I admire and relate to the Alien's survival instinct and the Predator's beliefs of hunting with honor. They are both great, original races in the SF genre.
Yay for almost-unbiased comment!!!
I love both speicies, but Aliens has to be my fave. "Perfect organism. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality." Darwinian concepts for the win. Survival of the fittest.
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 08, 2009, 08:28:09 PM
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 08, 2009, 09:17:22 AM
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 07, 2009, 08:35:23 PM
Thanks...question mark?
We need to try and get a nice debate.
I got it!
Aliens are stupid.
*satisfied glare*
Real smart (sarcastic).
I know - PREDATORS stink like a three month old steak! That they hunted themselves.
*satisfied glare returned*
Wait, I don't get it. Do you like Aliens or Predators more? And what the f is "That they hunted themselves"?
I meant "by" themselves. Whoops.
And I don't know, it's kinda 50:50 now, but I'm kinda likin the penisheads more.
Blasphemmmmmyyyyyyyy!
That's a great name. I'll record that ;D
QuoteThat's a great name. I'll record that
;D
QuoteBlasphemmmmmyyyyyyyy!
WTF!!?? ???
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 10, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
QuoteBlasphemmmmmyyyyyyyy!
WTF!!?? ???
??? What? It's blasphemy I tell you, blasphemy!
ANythings better than Pu$$y face. ;)
Quote from: Chris P on Apr 11, 2009, 03:01:23 AM
ANythings better than Pu$$y face. ;)
XD ;D I agree.
Quote from: Chris P on Apr 11, 2009, 03:01:23 AM
ANythings better than Pu$$y face. ;)
Better than being a d1c|< h3/\|) ;D
Aliens, because:
1) They're stealthy.
2) Lethal
3) Life-cycle is interesting.
So ye, they're over-all cool.
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 10, 2009, 08:04:44 PM
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 10, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
QuoteBlasphemmmmmyyyyyyyy!
WTF!!?? ???
??? What? It's blasphemy I tell you, blasphemy!
:D
Quote from: Lone Warrior on Apr 12, 2009, 12:05:41 AM
Aliens, because:
1) They're stealthy.
2) Lethal
3) Life-cycle is interesting.
So ye, they're over-all cool.
Faceraper.
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 12, 2009, 10:29:43 AM
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 10, 2009, 08:04:44 PM
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 10, 2009, 04:56:47 PM
QuoteBlasphemmmmmyyyyyyyy!
WTF!!?? ???
??? What? It's blasphemy I tell you, blasphemy!
:D
Quote from: Lone Warrior on Apr 12, 2009, 12:05:41 AM
Aliens, because:
1) They're stealthy.
2) Lethal
3) Life-cycle is interesting.
So ye, they're over-all cool.
Faceraper.
>_<
>_< <-----back to ya
*satisfied glare*
Alien, all the way.
I still love Predator though. ;D
Predators are winning for a reason people ("people" meaning deadmeat and those involved it this petty feud) XD
Nah, Predators are just teh win ;D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 13, 2009, 05:29:26 AM
Nah, Predators are just teh win ;D
Totally with ya! ;D
Quote from: Lone Warrior on Apr 13, 2009, 03:26:01 PM
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 13, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 13, 2009, 05:29:26 AM
Nah, Predators are just teh win ;D
Totally with ya! ;D
*alien glare with snarling teeth*
Oh go facerape someone or something, I've got a shoulder cannon. ;D
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 13, 2009, 03:56:54 PM
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Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 13, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 13, 2009, 05:29:26 AM
Nah, Predators are just teh win ;D
Totally with ya! ;D
*alien glare with snarling teeth*
Oh go facerape someone or something, I've got a shoulder cannon. ;D
XD Funny.
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 13, 2009, 04:51:29 PM
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 13, 2009, 05:29:26 AM
Nah, Predators are just teh win ;D
Totally with ya! ;D
*alien glare with snarling teeth*
Oh go facerape someone or something, I've got a shoulder cannon. ;D
XD Funny.
;D
*extreme grin and thumbs up*
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 13, 2009, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 13, 2009, 04:51:29 PM
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 13, 2009, 05:29:26 AM
Nah, Predators are just teh win ;D
Totally with ya! ;D
*alien glare with snarling teeth*
Oh go facerape someone or something, I've got a shoulder cannon. ;D
XD Funny.
;D
*extreme grin and thumbs up*
*comes to sudden realization*
Shoulder Cannons are cooler than watching little creatures facerape things. <.<
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 13, 2009, 05:10:58 PM
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 13, 2009, 05:29:26 AM
Nah, Predators are just teh win ;D
Totally with ya! ;D
*alien glare with snarling teeth*
Oh go facerape someone or something, I've got a shoulder cannon. ;D
XD Funny.
;D
*extreme grin and thumbs up*
*comes to sudden realization*
Shoulder Cannons are cooler than watching little creatures facerape things. <.<
Took you long enough! I thought you'ld never realize that!
I've got a cloaking device, ain't no stinkin' alien gonna facerape me.
Aliens can see cloaked Predators.
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 13, 2009, 03:56:54 PM
Quote from: Lone Warrior on Apr 13, 2009, 03:26:01 PM
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 13, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 13, 2009, 05:29:26 AM
Nah, Predators are just teh win ;D
Totally with ya! ;D
*alien glare with snarling teeth*
Oh go facerape someone or something, I've got a shoulder cannon. ;D
How about I just tear an over-sized hole in your face with my claws :P
Quote from: bog113 on Apr 13, 2009, 06:59:25 PM
Aliens are the perfect killers!!!!!
In whose opinion? Aliens are like..ooooh I'm gonna rape you till there are eggs in your chest, and then the eggs will eat their way out of you and grow into slimy black things! WTF? Sounds like a messed up episode of Jerry Springer.
And Preds are all like "Our dicks are so f**king tiny we have to go around with high-tech weaponry and blast the shit out of everything to put their heads on our walls to try and make up for our gross inadequacies. They get so full of their own bullshit, and the second they start buying into it themselves they get their asses handed to them.
Buying into their own bullshit has only happened to three Predators: Anytime, Pussyface, and Celtic. The others died due to legitimately being owned.
You forgot Wolf.
I'm sorry, but there's no way any rationally thinking sentient organism would think that stripping itself against a PredAlien in hand-to-hand combat, while still having an entire town of Aliens to deal with, could be a good idea.
Unless its head was too far up its own ass, which Wolf's so clearly was.
Ok, I'll give you that. Poor guy was smart up until he f**ked up in the sewers. Why in God's name did he barricade himself in with the Aliens?? I mean, set up the lasers in the same pattern, walk back out, call out the Aliens, and let them kill themselves when they charge you.
If he was smart he wouldn't have went alone.
Better, he would have just blown the whole town up as soon as he arrived.
Wolf was full of himself looong before he got to Earth.
Quote from: War Wager on Apr 14, 2009, 12:01:59 AM
If he was smart he wouldn't have went alone.
Better, he would have just blown the whole town up as soon as he arrived.
Why the town on arrival? That would have been pointless because he'd be killing innocent people. Predators don't kill without a reason.
I don't think a Predator would give a toss about harming inncent peeps. PussyFace didn't seem to mind that he was about to blow up half of LA in Predator 2.
He was only going to do that because he was in a position to lose, not because he was being lazy.
So both of these freaks stink in every way.
End of conversation.
Definitely Predator. A large part of it is sentimental because when I was young I saw the first Predator and fell in love with it and then the sequel, etc. I never saw any of the Alien films til much later and had already developed my Pred obsession.
I just think the Predator is a cooler character, aesthetically and in concept. Aliens look way cool, but they also just seem like a big bug kinda creature and to me they don't have as much individuality as a Pred. To me, a Pred is more of a warrior and more calculating, more honorable. They have a code and technology and all kinds of wicked gadgets. In a way, they're more humanized, but that adds to the appeal. Plus, they're just cooler looking to me too.
Quote from: walterf on Apr 15, 2009, 10:32:14 PM
Definitely Predator. A large part of it is sentimental because when I was young I saw the first Predator and fell in love with it and then the sequel, etc. I never saw any of the Alien films til much later and had already developed my Pred obsession.
I just think the Predator is a cooler character, aesthetically and in concept. Aliens look way cool, but they also just seem like a big bug kinda creature and to me they don't have as much individuality as a Pred. To me, a Pred is more of a warrior and more calculating, more honorable. They have a code and technology and all kinds of wicked gadgets. In a way, they're more humanized, but that adds to the appeal. Plus, they're just cooler looking to me too.
^^ He/She/It (presumably he) has his mind on the Path of Truth. XD
Basically summed up me. :P
Let us hear your words though.
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 16, 2009, 12:50:40 AM
Quote from: walterf on Apr 15, 2009, 10:32:14 PM
Definitely Predator. A large part of it is sentimental because when I was young I saw the first Predator and fell in love with it and then the sequel, etc. I never saw any of the Alien films til much later and had already developed my Pred obsession.
I just think the Predator is a cooler character, aesthetically and in concept. Aliens look way cool, but they also just seem like a big bug kinda creature and to me they don't have as much individuality as a Pred. To me, a Pred is more of a warrior and more calculating, more honorable. They have a code and technology and all kinds of wicked gadgets. In a way, they're more humanized, but that adds to the appeal. Plus, they're just cooler looking to me too.
^^ He/She/It (presumably he) has his mind on the Path of Truth. XD
Basically summed up me. :P
Yeah, he said almost all the resons why I like predys better than penis-heads.
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 16, 2009, 05:44:55 PM
Yeah, he said almost all the resons why I like predys better than penis-heads.
How come your avatar is an Aliens character and there isn't 1 pic of a Pred in your sig then? ;)
Quote from: Vulhala on Apr 16, 2009, 05:54:13 PM
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 16, 2009, 05:44:55 PM
Yeah, he said almost all the resons why I like predys better than penis-heads.
How come your avatar is an Aliens character and there isn't 1 pic of a Pred in your sig then? ;)
*gasp* Same question.
Yeah, walterf is psychic *wooooooooo*
Whaddya mean, Master Chief?
Quote from: Vulhala on Apr 16, 2009, 05:54:13 PM
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 16, 2009, 05:44:55 PM
Yeah, he said almost all the resons why I like predys better than penis-heads.
How come your avatar is an Aliens character and there isn't 1 pic of a Pred in your sig then? ;)
I'm too lazy to change them. ;)
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 16, 2009, 06:04:49 PM
Whaddya mean, Master Chief?
I was just asking to hear why you liked the Predator, you know, instead of you just agreeing with
walterf.
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 16, 2009, 08:31:02 PM
Quote from: Cetanu on Apr 16, 2009, 06:04:49 PM
Whaddya mean, Master Chief?
I was just asking to hear why you liked the Predator, you know, instead of you just agreeing with walterf.
Okay :)
Well, as a child I saw Predator first. It was strange 'cause it came on reeeeeally late (I was like six) and Mom told me it was about a giant lizard in the jungle. So I watched, Mom fell asleep, and then I fell in love with the Predator.
I liked how it was a single, stealthy hunter in the jungle with some awesome equipment. Then I saw P2. (Mind you, I'd seen some Aliens movies between, I liked them, too, just not as much). I loved the city theme and how I saw some more Predator equipment, but it wasn't as stealth-oriented. Predator still appeased me.
I knew AvP was coming to film. I had the games and whatnot. The design of the Predator was awe-inspiring, as was their culture, etc.
Good? ;D ;)
See, that wasn't so hard. Yeah, it was good. 8)
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 17, 2009, 03:17:27 PM
See, that wasn't so hard. Yeah, it was good. 8)
Haha, thanks. It was so sentimental, I think I just cried a little. ;D
I saw ALIENS first when I was six at my grandparents house. In the day time. I didn't get it at first. Then I saw ALIEN on New Years of 03, I believe. Then I rented the others and was hooked on the Alien franchise.
Then, I saw PREADTOR on SPIKE TV, then I rented P2.
Around 4 months later AVP was said to be released soon and they had a news special on its developement. I went ape-shit. Safe to say. ;)
In my opninion, you shouldn't see AVP without seeing the originals first.
Quote from: Chris P on Apr 17, 2009, 11:08:28 PM
In my opninion, you shouldn't see AVP without seeing the originals first.
Agreed. I saw Predator first, but only after hearing about AvP. Thing is, if you see AvP first, you'll like it but if you become a serious buff of either franchise, you'll realize how much it sucks later on.
Quote from: Chris P on Apr 17, 2009, 11:08:28 PM
In my opninion, you shouldn't see AVP without seeing the originals first.
I agree with that.
In my opinion you shouldn't see AvP at all, those god-forsaken films put the rest of the Alien and Predator franchise to shame.
=/ I liked it. And AvPR...
At the end of the day, you'll only enjoy one of the AvP movies depending on which creature you favour. If you're an Alien fan, you'll like enjoy AvP. If you're a Predator fan, you'll enjoy AvP:R.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2009, 04:15:31 PM
At the end of the day, you'll only enjoy one of the AvP movies depending on which creature you favour. If you're an Alien fan, you'll like enjoy AvP. If you're a Predator fan, you'll enjoy AvP:R.
Nicely said! ;)
I saw Predator first. Then I saw AvP and I got hooked up. But then I saw Alien R, Aliens, Alien 3, Predator 2, Alien, AvP R. I understood my mistakes and started to appreciate the classics. But I liked AvP and AvP R. Full of action. ;) But ALIENS is on the top of my list anytime. Anytime.
Anytime, anytime...
*Predator clicking noises*
Haha.
I now like both creatures the same. WHERE'S THE BOTH OPTION!?
There. :)
I like both too. But Preds seam more honorable now. ;)
Aliens. They are cooler, no comparrison. 8)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2009, 04:15:31 PM
At the end of the day, you'll only enjoy one of the AvP movies depending on which creature you favour. If you're an Alien fan, you'll like enjoy AvP. If you're a Predator fan, you'll enjoy AvP:R.
I'm an alien fan, and I hated both..... :-\
There are obviously exceptions, but it's usually the general rule.
Ha, 'general rule'?
In my experience around this forum, yes. Alien fans tend to be more favourable towards AvP and Predator fans tend to be more favourable towards AvP:R.
Lol happy to see so many could level with me. I love both creatures though. The Aliens are definitely scarier, but the Predators are much cooler to me. The whole concept of putting them together is great to me though. They definitely have a good chemistry.
Alien. Definetly.
I love 'em both... but Aliens gave me more nightmares.
Hardly surprising, since Aliens have a considerable talent for blending in against a background better than a Predator.
You're kidding right?
He has to be.
Quote from: Master Chief on Apr 22, 2009, 05:05:52 PM
You're kidding right?
Nope. Yes, Preds have the cloaking device, but think about it: Aliens can do it naturally. They don't need the technology.
Sure, the Aliens can do it naturally, in dark locations mind you. Put an alien in your front yard at high noon, and you're going to know its there. The Predators have the cloaking device that pretty much makes them invisible no matter where you put them...and at anytime of the day.
Ok, that's true. But at the same time in high noon, a Predator could still be slightly visible. Remember the scene in Predator right after it runs off after shooting down the log and Mac chases it? He and Dillon saw it both. But I take your point.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 22, 2009, 09:26:50 PM
Ok, that's true. But at the same time in high noon, a Predator could still be slightly visible. Remember the scene in Predator right after it runs off after shooting down the log and Mac chases it? He and Dillon saw it both. But I take your point.
And Harrigan was able to spot the pred as well on the roof in the beginning from the sunlight, he just thought of it as the heat playing tricks on him.
Quote from: dachande89 on Apr 22, 2009, 09:40:10 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 22, 2009, 09:26:50 PM
Ok, that's true. But at the same time in high noon, a Predator could still be slightly visible. Remember the scene in Predator right after it runs off after shooting down the log and Mac chases it? He and Dillon saw it both. But I take your point.
And Harrigan was able to spot the pred as well on the roof in the beginning from the sunlight, he just thought of it as the heat playing tricks on him.
If a Pred is infront of you its always possible to see it because he is never completely invisible, but the point is that overall, in darkness and light a Predator is much stealthier and harder to see than an Alien. You still have much more of a chance of seeing an Alien in broad daylight than a cloaked Pred no matter what.
I like predators cos they are dominating....no1 can stopp them(full strenght,full tehnolocgy,full intelegance,full agility)=gg
No Predator has demonstrated tremendous intelligence because everytime they get on top of their game, they screw up.
Anytime, Pussyface, Celtic, and Wolf all made the same mistake in the end: they got cocky, and it cost them their lives. Scar didn't get cocky, but he decided to team up with a human.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 23, 2009, 03:02:43 PM
Anytime, Pussyface, Celtic, and Wolf all made the same mistake in the end: they got cocky, and it cost them their lives. Scar didn't get cocky, but he decided to team up with a human.
And I think the team up wasn't smart either. Only Pred that did a good human team up was Dachande. The Lex Scar team up was bad.
Predators are intelegance,agilty,strenght
Aliens are agility,strenght(lower then predator)
Thats what i think....
Quote from: ForTheLasTime on Apr 28, 2009, 02:42:39 PM
Predators are intelegance,agilty,strenght
Aliens are agility,strenght(lower then predator)
Thats what i think....
Alien agility - way bigger than Preds.
Quote from: deadmeat on Apr 28, 2009, 02:44:05 PM
Alien agility - way bigger than Preds.
Yes yes i forgot ty ;D
Alien. Best sciencefiction monster made and most orginal. H.R. Giger my friend!
Quote from: Mr. Stizout on Apr 28, 2009, 03:44:06 PM
Alien. Best sciencefiction monster made and most orginal. H.R. Giger my friend!
Yeah, the penis-heads rock! ;D
Until the Predy comes in the room.
Ah.. it is a truly open question here. Honestly the aliens were , in aliens perfect but in aliens , they are made weaker and rely on massive numbers if you just watched alien , you'd assume they were not always a bug like race but thought independently. Aliens changed all this , even though it is a great movie it effects the aliens image - from a stealthy organism that just can't quiet die to a horde of monsters ready to devour anything. In alien three and A:R this continues. Then We have the Predators like the aliens , in Predator they seemed unbeatable and only lost by an interesting code of self honor and defiance. But , even though they are shown strong it Predator 2 , they look all to human with a honor system made , even though this was in the first one it kinda wasn't. All we get in the first film was they hunt for sport and do to not a challenge , do not killed unarmed humans. But in Predator 2 they are less of the villain then the drug lords or the greedy FBI guys there. But I'd say predators , aliens are more fascinating but Predators are every persons hero... not but they are my favorites!! :)
So, is it alien or predator?
Quote from: The PredBen on Apr 30, 2009, 10:08:49 PM
Ah.. it is a truly open question here. Honestly the aliens were , in aliens perfect but in aliens , they are made weaker and rely on massive numbers if you just watched alien , you'd assume they were not always a bug like race but thought independently. Aliens changed all this , even though it is a great movie it effects the aliens image - from a stealthy organism that just can't quiet die to a horde of monsters ready to devour anything. In alien three and A:R this continues.
??? ??? ???
Quote from: The PredBen on Apr 30, 2009, 10:08:49 PM
Ah.. it is a truly open question here. Honestly the aliens were , in aliens perfect but in aliens , they are made weaker and rely on massive numbers if you just watched alien , you'd assume they were not always a bug like race but thought independently. Aliens changed all this , even though it is a great movie it effects the aliens image - from a stealthy organism that just can't quiet die to a horde of monsters ready to devour anything. In alien three and A:R this continues. Then We have the Predators like the aliens , in Predator they seemed unbeatable and only lost by an interesting code of self honor and defiance. But , even though they are shown strong it Predator 2 , they look all to human with a honor system made , even though this was in the first one it kinda wasn't. All we get in the first film was they hunt for sport and do to not a challenge , do not killed unarmed humans. But in Predator 2 they are less of the villain then the drug lords or the greedy FBI guys there. But I'd say predators , aliens are more fascinating but Predators are every persons hero... not but they are my favorites!! :)
What?
Quote from: The PredBen on Apr 30, 2009, 10:08:49 PM
Ah.. it is a truly open question here. Honestly the aliens were , in aliens perfect but in aliens , they are made weaker and rely on massive numbers
They weren't weakened, just made stupid.
I wouldn't say that they were stupid. I'd say they had the whole "Hive Mind" thing going for them. No individuality allowed.
They were definitely dumb compared to Kane's Son. He showed intelligence, cunning, and strategy. Cameron's Warriors were just kind of like "AAAYEYEYEEE HOSTZZZ FOR EGGZ, MUST FEEEEEEEEEEEED".
haha...
How hard is it to sneak around a ship against truckers with makeshift motion detectors and weapons?
The Aliens kicked the shit of the "Bad ass" Marines by being strategic and cunning. The only thing that limited their intelligence was the Sentry Guns. Not sure why they kept trying to break through that obstacle...maybe to run it dry.
Quote from: Master Chief on May 01, 2009, 04:29:54 PM
How hard is it to sneak around a ship against truckers with makeshift motion detectors and weapons?
He knew where to conceal himself. And he knew how to stay one step ahead of his prey; namely getting into the shuttle before Ripley did.
Quote from: Master Chief on May 01, 2009, 04:29:54 PMThe Aliens kicked the shit of the "Bad ass" Marines by being strategic and cunning. The only thing that limited their intelligence was the Sentry Guns. Not sure why they kept trying to break through that obstacle...maybe to run it dry.
Only one scene really in the infirmary. They got the drop on the Marines in the Hive only because they were already on the walls. It's not as if they
knew the Marines were coming advance.
QuoteNot sure why they kept trying to break through that obstacle...maybe to run it dry.
Plausible, there were hundreds of 'em anyway.
Plus in the Med Lab, they attacked from above and below which is not what anyone was expecting.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 01, 2009, 05:35:12 PM
He knew where to conceal himself. And he knew how to stay one step ahead of his prey; namely getting into the shuttle before Ripley did.
All aliens have shown that trait.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 01, 2009, 05:35:12 PM
Only one scene really in the infirmary. They got the drop on the Marines in the Hive only because they were already on the walls. It's not as if they knew the Marines were coming advance.
That plays into their intelligence though. Wait for prey to come to you. They also cornered the marines and figured a way in...Ceilings and floor.
If anything they were given more intelligence.
"What do ya mean they cut the power, how could they cut the power man, their animals!"
Quote from: Master Chief on May 01, 2009, 05:55:30 PM
That plays into their intelligence though. Wait for prey to come to you. They also cornered the marines and figured a way in...Ceilings and floor.
Doesn't make them intelligent. It's just their instinct to let prey come to them because they can be ambush creatures. The trapdoor spider does it, but that doesn't make it a terribly intelligent creature.
Smarter than whatever happens to walk into the trap. ;) My argument is that, they weren't dim-witted.
Quote from: Master Chief on May 01, 2009, 08:15:52 PM
Smarter than whatever happens to walk into the trap. ;) My argument is that, they weren't dim-witted.
They weren't. They where smart because the they tried to dry out the sentry guns. But it didn't work (they thought), so they tried alternative versions. Like NOT banging into welded walls, but crawling though the celing like a face-raping bat.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 01, 2009, 07:41:23 PM
Doesn't make them intelligent. It's just their instinct to let prey come to them because they can be ambush creatures. The trapdoor spider does it, but that doesn't make it a terribly intelligent creature.
You've been talking to Steve Perry haven't you. lol. But honestly I think it is an advanced instinct that makes them so smart. (True the running into sentry guns with wave after wave is not smart) but I simply say that happens when the Queen is involved since she commands them and then its hive first, Alien lives second. When Aliens have no queen, or are by themselves, they act smarter. How would a group of Aliens behave without a Queen to command them? Thats a question I want to know.
I haven't spoken to Steve Perry at all. And I'm not seeing how charging at their enemies, screaming, makes them intelligent creatures. It's not an 'advanced instinct' as you put it because all predatory animals have that capability. They're only as intelligent as they need to be so that they can outsmart their prey, but it doesn't mean they're geniuses.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 03, 2009, 05:32:51 PM
I haven't spoken to Steve Perry at all. And I'm not seeing how charging at their enemies, screaming, makes them intelligent creatures. It's not an 'advanced instinct' as you put it because all predatory animals have that capability. They're only as intelligent as they need to be so that they can outsmart their prey, but it doesn't mean they're geniuses.
oh cause perry is giving the same arguement. Well they only charge while they are in a hive with the queen directing them to protect the survival of the hive. When its only a single alien, its more important for self preservation. The Alien in Alien was smart enough to use the air ducts to move around rather than walking down corridors. It did not "scream and charge" its enemies. It moved steathily through the ship, never making a sound, until it finally struck. Alone they are smarter, or maybe its they use their instincts while they are alone, but the Queen overrides that in a hive. Idk. But my point is, when they are alone, they at least act smarter.
For me definetely Aliens. The creature is much more interesting. The design is very elegant and its a real piece of art. Love it. Also the fact that theyre actually space 'animals', unlike in many cheesy scifi horror films when theyre presented as some human-like, evil or greedy creatures. The fact that theyre animals makes it that much more believable and creepy at the same time cause theres no reasoning with them
Having said that, Predator rocks in my book as well
Yet they were reduced to screaming space bugs, which are the subject of every cheesy sci-fi horror film ever made. Whatever mystery the creature had in the first film was non-existent when the sequel came along.
LOL that shitty post I made got some attention. Anyway I pick Predator because I liked that first. I love aliens now though , but Predators... something cool about them. Anyway it was really close. I hope that answer works now!
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2009, 04:58:03 PM
Yet they were reduced to screaming space bugs, which are the subject of every cheesy sci-fi horror film ever made. Whatever mystery the creature had in the first film was non-existent when the sequel came along.
I dont see it that way. They were even more nightmarish after sequel, almost never fully shown. You've seen less of aliens in the second movie than in any other. The use of backlight and shadows did its job.
I really dont see how the sequel made them screaming bugs - they were the same in the first movie, same/similar noises were done by the creature from Alien. The alien abducted some to coccoon, left alive others. And i have yet to see any other movie showing Aliens/monsters as well as the first three movies did - almost not showing them at all and having them lurk somewhere in the shadows or dark corridors without the idea being corny. The idea of locking yurself in the room and golding the door so the killers wont go through
As for the mystery, personally I prefer seeing something as amazing as we did in Aliens then not seeing anything at all just for the sake of 'mystery'. Plus, even the first movie originally wanted to explain the unexplained - it showed the life cycle, something Aliens did. Aliens didnt do more than showing the new life cycle.
If something, I think it secured Aliens' portrayal as something very believable and real, because they werent some intelligent evil alien life forms like in every single movie, but something more equivalent to animals, something based on real nature. And Fincher explored the great idea of aliens taking their host's characteristics further, completing the onscreen presentation of one , if not THE most fascinating creatures in movie history
I think some are just grasping strwas and try to make Aliens what its not by overexagerating the differences simply because they dont like the idea that the sequel is different and wanted more of the same. I myself love the first three movies almost equally and think that the great variety is one of the reason's why this series is so great and has such a wide audience
Quote from: JamesCameronOnline on May 20, 2009, 12:18:46 AM
I dont see it that way. They were even more nightmarish after sequel, almost never fully shown. You've seen less of aliens in the second movie than in any other. The use of backlight and shadows did its job.
We get at least 4-5 body shots of the Alien, which is more than we did in the first movie.
Quote from: JamesCameronOnline on May 20, 2009, 12:18:46 AMI really dont see how the sequel made them screaming bugs - they were the same in the first movie, same/similar noises were done by the creature from Alien.
Kane's Son never used the elephant/peacock squeal that Cameron's film popularized.
Quote from: JamesCameronOnline on May 20, 2009, 12:18:46 AMThe alien abducted some to coccoon, left alive others.
But a reason for doing so was made explicit. They were being cocooned for the purpose of growing the Hive. In Alien, the Alien's behaviour was more bizzare because it would behave more erratically. Case in point: it killed Brett who posed no threat to it, yet kept Dallas alive for a purpose we discover only in the Director's Cut. It killed Parker who was a definite threat, and whatever it did to Lambert is left to our own imagination.
Quote from: JamesCameronOnline on May 20, 2009, 12:18:46 AMAs for the mystery, personally I prefer seeing something as amazing as we did in Aliens then not seeing anything at all just for the sake of 'mystery'. Plus, even the first movie originally wanted to explain the unexplained - it showed the life cycle, something Aliens did. Aliens didnt do more than showing the new life cycle.
Aliens did do more. It gave us the Queen which showed us where the eggs come from and it also showed us how the Aliens actually live. All Alien did was give us egg-->chestburster-->drone. We got nothing more.
Quote from: JamesCameronOnline on May 20, 2009, 12:18:46 AMIf something, I think it secured Aliens' portrayal as something very believable and real, because they werent some intelligent evil alien life forms like in every single movie, but something more equivalent to animals, something based on real nature.
And therein lies the problem. The creators of the original film wanted to produce something that was totally new; something the audience had never seen before. It was fresh and scary because it's behaviour was so random. Then along comes Jim Bob, and turns the Alien into something we've seen a hundred times before: a screaming space bug.
Quote from: JamesCameronOnline on May 20, 2009, 12:18:46 AMAnd Fincher explored the great idea of aliens taking their host's characteristics further, completing the onscreen presentation of one , if not THE most fascinating creatures in movie history
I agree, and I also think his portrayal of the Alien was way better than Cameron's.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 20, 2009, 04:17:37 PM
Kane's Son never used the elephant/peacock squeal that Cameron's film popularized.
True, but Kanes son was never shot at.
Quote
Case in point: it killed Brett who posed no threat to it, yet kept Dallas alive for a purpose we discover only in the Director's Cut.
We don't know it killed Brett. I may be wrong as I haven't seen the DC of Alien in some time, but I'm pretty sure that we see Brett in the scene you're talking about, but just in a more advanced state of transformation/mutation into an egg.
It bit Brett in the head. He died.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 20, 2009, 06:07:02 PM
It bit Brett in the head. He died.
I would concur but for one thing. We see it bite some part of Brett's body because we see the brief shot of the inner mouth hitting flesh and then blood coming out. If it did head-bite him then how was Brett able to scream all the while and still be screaming when he was pulled up into the airducts.
^Beat me to it ;D
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 20, 2009, 04:17:37 PM
We get at least 4-5 body shots of the Alien, which is more than we did in the first movie.
yet we still see less. We either see them in light for split second or in the shadows with baclight like this
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QuoteKane's Son never used the elephant/peacock squeal that Cameron's film popularized.
No EXACTLY the same, but it squeeked as well. The Elephant/peacock sound was used very little. Nitpicking trivial differences in sounds is just nitpicking. Fact is they both squeeked with high pitched sound. Look, I see you obviously dont like the movie. And im not here to change anybody's mind because I respect everyone's opinion. Just dont pick trivial stuff or untrue facts to bring it down. Be fair and give it a fair trial
QuoteBut a reason for doing so was made explicit. They were being cocooned for the purpose of growing the Hive. In Alien, the Alien's behaviour was more bizzare because it would behave more erratically. Case in point: it killed Brett who posed no threat to it, yet kept Dallas alive for a purpose we discover only in the Director's Cut. It killed Parker who was a definite threat, and whatever it did to Lambert is left to our own imagination.
Not really, its the same thing. In both alien and aliens, Alien killed some and abducted others. Those abducted were coccooned for the purposes of reproduction. Same thing in both movies.
Quotehttp://Aliens did do more. It gave us the Queen which showed us where the eggs come from and it also showed us how the Aliens actually live. All Alien did was give us egg-->chestburster-->drone. We got nothing more.
Which is showing a new lifecycle, just like I said. it didnt change anything since the original cycle was dropped from the movie. And Alien was the FIRST movie. How awful woyuld that be for a movie to do everything at once? introduce the basic organism first, then eventually evolve the story in the next movie
QuoteAnd therein lies the problem. The creators of the original film wanted to produce something that was totally new; something the audience had never seen before. It was fresh and scary because it's behaviour was so random.
As much as I love Alien, Im not blind. There were millions of monsters in/from space movies. What amde Alien different was the design and great presentation. But the idea was centuries old.
QuoteThen along comes Jim Bob, and turns the Alien into something we've seen a hundred times before: a screaming space bug.
Then along comes JIm and turns the name into a major franchsie wihcih continues today with the same logo and same sucessful ideas. He lands Aliens on Time Magazine cover and creates scifi classic. And one of the reasons is because it wowed the audiences cause no one has ever seen anything before. Again, youre saying like monster from space was a uniqye idea - it wasnt, it was ar from it. And one way or another, it has no bearing on how great each of the movie is. Despite the generic idea, Alien is a masterpiece because of the presentation. The presentation is what counts
QuoteI agree, and I also think his portrayal of the Alien was way better than Cameron's.
Meaning? how is Alien different from Aliens in the second movie behavior wise?
Quote from: EEV2650 on May 20, 2009, 06:31:03 PM
I would concur but for one thing. We see it bite some part of Brett's body because we see the briesf shot of the inner mouth hitting flesh and then blood coming out. If it did head-bite him then how was Brett able to scream all the while and still be screaming when he was pulled up into the airducts.
Plus he was coccooned. He would be useless if dead.
Oh and also, what really was a mystery in Alien remained a mystery in Aliens - derelict and its origins
Alien is the classic film with Aliens following it at a top pace. Alien 3 in my placement is the best film. I know , its next to A:R in ratings but its in general a funner movie to watch. Who'd see alien and watch it when Alien 3 is on. After you see the suspense , which is great , in alien... then the second viewing isn't as good. Anyway this is about Aliens and Predators , not being mean , since I am often way off topic. But yeah , its hard to place aliens or predators as the better creatures , both are equally good. Alien was only better in Alien. If you the fairly weak and very much earth like aliens of Aliens top Predator.... then you are... well just ... who you are. The alien from Alien was the number one creature ever , the sequels made it weaker , not smarter , it ruined it.
Im a predator fan..due to there technological advancements, religion and skills, alien are a fantastic deadly organsim, fast, smart, cunning but im a predator fan ;) !
Predators follow a religion?
Its possible.
Clan rituals = religion?... idk.
Rituals=/=religion. Ritual can be something as simple as going out for beer once a week.
I know, but maybe the ritualistic way they conduct their hunts could be considered a religion?... Look I'm not even convincing myself here.
Well i say religion dudes due to there ritualistic ways of conducting hunts and the way the predators operate! It could be connected to a past religion and they may be still follwing this religion? idk lol, they defintely have some sort of protcol, the predator has a history and may have some sort of religion!
It's possible, but we haven't seen anything that even remotely resembles a religion. We know Predators live by a code of conduct when it comes to hunting and that's about it.
I guess you could argue it being religion. Not worshipping a deity, or god, but simply making the hunt their highly upheld way of life. Definitly could be expanded upon.
Hunting is a sport. Sports have rules. Predators follow rules during a hunt.
Yeh totally agree with all you guys..it makes for a good argument, but all you guys are right..theres a certain code they live by but you cant say its a religion!
this is hard to say. In a one on one fight (Up Close) with the predator only having wristblade vs the Alien, I'm gonna say unless the predator is at least a warrior, I'm gonna say the Alien. Aliens aren't stupid and are killing machines, they don't have codes, just kill everything in sight. Overall I like the Predator because it's more closer to human and has a purpose, goal and a way of life that's unique to my likings.
I love both sooooooooo much!!!!! But when it comes down to it, I love aliens more!!! THEY ARE TRULY THE PERFECT BEING!! THEIR STRUCTURAL SUPERIORITY IS ONLY RIVALED BY THEIR HOSTILITY!!!!!! Dont get me wrong I LOVE predators sooooooooooooo much but if the preds didnt have any weapons they would be extinct Because of xenomorphs!! Their weapons are the only reason they can hunt Aliens!! And about 50% of the time the Prey bests the Hunter! Aliens dont look it, but they are physically stronger and any predator, they have that wicked tail, they have their stealth, their jaws and if anything goes into the hive, THEY DO NOT HAVE A CHANCE!!!!!! I personally respect the Predators more because they hunt for honor, but aliens are just so much more savage!!! Has anyone noticed that only the Xenomorphs, and the Humans are the only beings that can hold their own against the Predators?? GO BUGS!! :P
One word - PREDATOR
Every now and then I alternate between preferring Aliens and Predators, but generally, I prefer Aliens.
Aliens all the way 8)
Quote from: dachande89 on Jun 14, 2009, 04:44:36 AM
Quote from: Predboy on Jun 14, 2009, 12:11:26 AM
Are you high?
Or stupid... one or the other for that explaination.
LOL!!! :D Anyway, I think personaly aliens are alot cooler, because theyre scarier, they hide in the darkness untill the right moment untill,...WHAM!! You wont even see what hit you. :o
Plus Preds will spare you, Aliens have NO MERCY!!!!!!!!............sory.
^
Amen bro.
Predators. Cetainely. Look at him. He's got the weapons, the ship, the camouflage. Aliens just runs around and screams at people. Not to mention spit. Predator is a master of hunting. Aliens run out there and wave their tails around like stupid animals.
F**K YOU!!!
Aliens totally kicks predator arse!
Screw you :). Predator's can just fire up his cannon and blast Alien to pieces of black mass. Not to mention yellow blood.
But your preds like to ally youreselves with humans. And die. And not blame them.
Not always. My Preds can hunt people. They can rip your little Aliens to shreds. The only times Aliens can kill a Pred is when we let our guard down for a moment. Aliens always have their guard down. But, I still like Aliens. They rule when it comes to total domination.
:P
But still. Predators rule in stalking.
You obviously have never seen Alien or Aliens.
Quote from: predation on Jun 13, 2009, 09:28:14 PM
and predators would probably enslave us for many years and then slowly create equality, similar to black and white people
Yes,this is
very likely.
Alien (Duh.)
I actually believe theoretically there would be a greater threat from Predators than Aliens if one of these species actually did take over Earth. This sounds strange, but if you think about the Alien life-cycle depends on having hosts, therefore killing off an enitre population of hosts does not make since for it's survival. Being the ultimate survivor it is, it probably would allow some people to live and repopulate and slowly cull the population as needed as large carnivores do not kill off their entire stock off food. However Preds seem to have a hard on for human skulls and I could see them easily over-hunting humans to extinction the way humans have done to certain animal species.
I love both Aliens and Preds, but one on one I really have to go with the Alien as a superior killing machine in one on one fights. The only equalizer being the Preds technology, which could easily be negated by varying factors. When you have a creature that has developed natural defenses all the way down to acid blood, then your dealing with one mean son of gun.
Um....
I, er...
Ali-no... but the Predator ca-no...
MUST I CHOOSE JUST ONE?!
I love both of them so much...the Alien, speedy, aggressive, great design, pure awsomeness!
And the Predator, stealthy, subtle, down-right-badass, and kinda sexy...(don`t laugh... :-[)
I mean, my opinion changes about my favorite, one minute I vote predator because of it`s intellect and technology, but next I vote Alien because of the sheer number`s and because it`s more physicaly powerful and animal-like...
So I am PREDALIENZERLAND (lol).
Jericho-
Alien, because they are awesome - not to mention cute!!! lol
Yeah, lovage to them :D
This thing is cute to you???
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YES! Look at him, he's just panting!
yo i agree with the chief its pointless to argue whos better we all know the predator takes it every time.
No it doesn't. Sure, the preds got those cool (stolen) gadgets and doohickeys, but the alien will always survive. That makes it more superior than Preds.
How will it always survive? If its wounded enough, its dead. Whether or not the acid harms the attacker.
Where are you coming from, son?
Demons got it down and no one has ever proven the predators tech as stolen,and if were going by expanded universe in the first avp comics, Dachande managed to kill an alien with no weapons what so ever,that's how he got the broken tusk duh.
Who in the name of God, Ala, and Buddha is Dachande?
Haven't you ever read the novel for the first avp comics?
Quote from: Private Hudson on Jun 30, 2009, 11:11:13 PM
Who in the name of God, Ala, and Buddha is Dachande?
Its the main Predator from the very first legendary AVP comic book from 1989. He befriended a woman fighter and they both went on to fight for their survival in an environment overrun by aliens. Naturally, Dachande, (or as called by others, Broken Tusk) was the main inspiration for Scar , but of course the chemistry in AVP didnt work near as good as it did in that great comic story.
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Thank u jamescameron.
Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jun 30, 2009, 11:08:47 PM
Demons got it down and no one has ever proven the predators tech as stolen,and if were going by expanded universe in the first avp comics, Dachande managed to kill an alien with no weapons what so ever,that's how he got the broken tusk duh.
He must have been one true badass. Wish I could read the comic where he did it, oh well.
Man if u go to books a million u can pick it up in novel form for like 8 bucks.
The first AVP comic story and its novelization are truly exceptional. No wonder it became such an enormous sucess at the time and spawned the joint franchise
Quote from: The Demon on Jun 30, 2009, 09:43:16 PM
How will it always survive? If its wounded enough, its dead. Whether or not the acid harms the attacker.
Where are you coming from, son?
And a good nuke will clean them up quite nicely. ;)
Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 01, 2009, 01:03:27 AM
Man if u go to books a million u can pick it up in novel form for like 8 bucks.
Ah, I see. If I knew what and where that place was it would be great, but I don't. Thanks anyway, maybe I'll randomly pass by it some day and take a look. :)
Aw no prob but u can order it of the Bam(books a millon)website to its not a family owned store its an entire store chain.
Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 01, 2009, 01:03:27 AM
Man if u go to books a million u can pick it up in novel form for like 8 bucks.
8 bucks? I paid over 20 if I remember correctly... anyways, where do people get the name Dachande from?
He was one of the main characters in AvP: Prey.
alien! they dint need weapons like predators and can survive almost any environment!
Still the predator is far more intelligent,and aren't driven by pure instinct.
Tough!!!
I think the Predator is cooler because of their samuai-like honour system and their awesome weapons.
This is kinda a hard one because i love both creatures but i guess i have always leant towards the predator more than the alien
This is a hard one cause i really like both Alien and Predator so im not really sure on this one
I just can't decide. But maybe aliens, because they are more diverse. I can't think of any other reason, because both of these villains are so cool.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jun 29, 2009, 08:12:07 PM
This thing is cute to you???
http://www.planetvideo.com.au/blog/2009/05/27/GigerAlien2.jpg
Sorry for the late reply lol
But yeah, I do think that's cute :D
lol
PREDATORS! Not just because of their advanced technology and weaponry, but I like how they are intergalactic big game hunters that hunt with rules.
I like Aliens because they are worthy opponents for the Predators to hunt down and kill. They both are a deadly alien species and are intriguing to watch fight each other.
Quote from: Predator_Collector on Jul 12, 2009, 07:37:19 AM
I like aliens Predators because they are worthy opponents for the Predators Aliens to hunt down and kill.
Fixed.
;) ;D
Aliens don't hunt the same way Predators do.
I know.
Hmm, I cant say Im not surprised by the results of the poll
Aliens basically just want to survive and Predators well just want some damn competition.
Quote from: wolfboy22 on Jul 13, 2009, 06:01:29 PM
Aliens basically just want to survive and Predators well just want some damn competition.
I agree. There's nothing wrong with fighting to survive, and there's nothing wrong with competition. I like the fact how Predators want to hunt Aliens for sport. Aliens and Predators sure are both an interesting alien species.
After much deliberation, I have concluded that both species are equal badasses in their own unique and special ways. Making me choose between them is like making me choose which foot I want to have chopped off. I just love both of them to death.
Is that a crime? I think not.
You can like both but theres always one you like more than the other even if its just slightly.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jul 16, 2009, 10:58:42 PM
Is that a crime? I think not.
Yes it is. How dare you express that, vile thing you call an opinion.
;)
Predators win ;D
Quote from: Rebellion on Jul 18, 2009, 11:58:32 AM
Predators win ;D
Amen to that. :)
BTW I like that pic showing the Predator's superior strength lifting a Colonial Marine in one hand, and an Alien in the other hand. Cool! 8)
Its a great picture :)
It's a terrible picture, that Alien should be clawing that Predator's head off.
The Alien doesn't have the ability to. That Alien is his bitch right now.
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That's what I thought. ;)
We need another facepalm picture on aisle 4.
"I'm happy to disapoint you."
Quote from: Private Hudson on Jul 18, 2009, 08:41:00 PM
We need another facepalm picture on aisle 4.
Both hands!
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What's with you Alien fans coming in here with your balls all shiney?
......what?
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 18, 2009, 08:46:48 PM
What's with you Alien fans coming in here with your balls all shiney?
I'm not an Alien fan. You're just a fool.
Predator owns !!
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 18, 2009, 05:15:31 PM
Its a great picture :)
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. I do agree. ;D
Quote from: Rebellion on Jul 19, 2009, 03:45:39 AM
Predator owns !!
Right on!!
And some Pred fans wonder why people just assume they're immature because they're Predator fans. Look at their company!
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 18, 2009, 06:25:49 PM
The Alien doesn't have the ability to. That Alien is his bitch right now.
Claws, tail, acid spit and head bite all within range... that predator should be dead. Not to mention that aliens aren't that weak and very well may be stronger than the predator. But no, teh Pr3d@t0R is teh 1337.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 19, 2009, 06:05:55 AM
And some Pred fans wonder why people just assume they're immature because they're Predator fans. Look at their company!
This.
Also, I like each species pretty much equally.
Christ I wasn't being serious.
Throw my ass in jail for joking around.
And to be honest, I like both very much and don't give a damn who could take the other.
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 19, 2009, 03:30:15 PM
Christ I wasn't being serious.
Throw my ass in jail for joking around.
And to be honest, I like both very much and don't give a damn who could take the other.
Well then my apologies for being harsh. There's just a lot of that, that goes around.
Its understandable.
I know how that can get under people's skins. I should of been more clear that it was a joke.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 19, 2009, 06:05:55 AM
And some Pred fans wonder why people just assume they're immature because they're Predator fans. Look at their company!
That's besides the point because we were just having fun. There's nothing wrong with a sense of humor. Lighten up! :)
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 19, 2009, 03:30:15 PM
Christ I wasn't being serious.
Throw my ass in jail for joking around.
And to be honest, I like both very much and don't give a damn who could take the other.
My mistake, just too many people who aren't joking with that; hard to tell.
QuoteThat's besides the point because we were just having fun. There's nothing wrong with a sense of humor. Lighten up!
And Alien fans are always so grumpy. :)
We show basic traits of Aliens, Aggresivness :)
Without ethics. :D
Alien.
Predator
Alien.
Quote from: Hydromaphica on Jul 20, 2009, 05:30:54 AM
We show basic traits of Aliens, Aggresivness :)
And now that I think about it, we like screwing around with alien fans, a trait that predators have, since they enjoy screwing around with their prey at times. :D
Quote from: Predboy on Jul 20, 2009, 05:39:00 PM
Quote from: Hydromaphica on Jul 20, 2009, 05:30:54 AM
We show basic traits of Aliens, Aggresivness :)
And now that I think about it, we like screwing around with alien fans, a trait that predators have, since they enjoy screwing around with their prey at times. :D
Only you and about one or two others show that. The others are ravenous; quickly, we must go before they find us.
Quote from: Gangster Predator on Mar 27, 2007, 01:51:12 AM
I just made a fan fic about how avp 2 should go down. If it would be species war it would be the queen facing off with the predalien.
Thats the way I made my story!
Coming soon Avp2: Clash of the titans
You do know that the predalien is on the queen's side just like any other alien, right?
Predators rule, Aliens drool ;D
What about a Predator prequel taking place during WW2. It could be like Saving Private Ryan untill and Predator starts picking off the squad. That would be very neat.
Quote from: Predboy on Jul 20, 2009, 05:39:00 PM
Quote from: Hydromaphica on Jul 20, 2009, 05:30:54 AM
We show basic traits of Aliens, Aggresivness :)
And now that I think about it, we like screwing around with alien fans, a trait that predators have, since they enjoy screwing around with their prey at times. :D
He's pretty much right.It's fun messing with alien fans.You guys get so defensive over they predator being portrayed as superior.The only reason it is portrayed that way is because theirs more predator fans then alien fans.Predators or more easy to relate to and have a sense of honor.Plus they have the coolest gadgets this side of star trek(jk) but the predator weapons pown.
A person that can relate to a predator must be one twisted individual.
QuoteYou do know that the predalien is on the queen's side just like any other alien, right?
The guy has been banned for a long time dude. I don't think he's gonna see that. :D
a hunter?
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 21, 2009, 12:27:10 AM
a hunter?
Maybe a redneck hunter who likes to hunt people, rip off the skulls and skin them, and then discard the body for all to see.
Not exactly where I was getting at.
A hunter is as close as it gets when it comes to an individual who can relate to a Predator.. or a primitive man.
Quote from: Private Hudson on Jul 21, 2009, 12:28:54 AM
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 21, 2009, 12:27:10 AM
a hunter?
Maybe a redneck hunter who likes to hunt people, rip off the skulls and skin them, and then discard the body for all to see.
Pretty much. :D
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 21, 2009, 12:30:31 AM
Not exactly where I was getting at.
A hunter is as close as it gets when it comes to an individual who can relate to a Predator.. or a primitive man.
When I am hunting every now and again, I don't think of Predator, nor does it make me relate to a Predator.
Good for you buddy, you certainly proved me wrong *pats back* ::)
:D
Im gonna guess you mean, when predators hunt its basically for the same reason people do, for pleasure.
I don't really know what he means anymore. :D
I mean, that's the closet you can get to someone that can relate to a Predator. That or an actual predator. Not the creature.
But yeah for most people, hunting is a pleasure thing. Most people don't admit it. You go out into the woods to get away from the society. Look around at nature. Catch an animal and kill it. Its pleasurable to some.
I guess that cleared it all up. :D
Now I get you.
Quote from: Predboy on Jul 20, 2009, 05:39:00 PM
Quote from: Hydromaphica on Jul 20, 2009, 05:30:54 AM
We show basic traits of Aliens, Aggresivness :)
And now that I think about it, we like screwing around with alien fans, a trait that predators have, since they enjoy screwing around with their prey at times. :D
Very true. Some of us Predator fans like to show basic traits of Predators, honor and humor. :)
"motherf**ker!" hahah
Aliens for me, but I still like preds to... really it was a close race, and really what it boiled down to is... in AvP games which race do I enjoy playing more?
After thinking it out... it's almost like a batman sorta thing. I like playing as aliens because that's what scares me. And so when in like AvP2 I hope to turn my fear into their fear
I know, kinda goofy but heh, if you can't beat them, join them? ;D
Aliens here.
All respect for the Predators got demolished in stupid names (Wolfie!) and crappy holding hands with Lex in AvP
They both are amazing. Predator wins it through sheer brutality and a sweet design (each predator looks different and has different traits) but with Aliens I really dig their reproduction cycle and their whole "hive mind" mentality. These really are a match made in heaven. The ultimate hunter vs the ultimate prey.
I prefer Predators because they're simple. Aliens are very complex creatures. But with Predators it's just they hunt, they kill, they move on.
I Absolutely love both, but predator is overall my favorite, Main reason for that is the honor they have, and the gear they use is for lack of a better word, smexy >.<
Aliens are cool, but I prefer Predators by far; I love the hunt and the gear they use its awesome.
i've voted with my eyes closed, aliens are to great for not voting them, i voted predators, but i dont think they are much better,i just enjoyed that freedom, that wild instinct that drives them on.
I love Predator, but he's too much of a loveable anti-hero - which is fine, but it doesn't really have the psychological impact of the Alien, which is a thing of nightmares. :P
It did, in the first movie IMO. It was a hunter from the stars that no one had seen before and liked to toy with its prey before finally finishing them off in a very brutal manner. That's what I'd like to see in the next Predator movie; a hunter that shows no mercy when hunting its prey.
Predators are smarter, more patient, and far more intelligent... with so many delightful ways to kill you. and pretty much anything else. just everything they're about, the hunt, the trophies. the fact that even though they're basically killing machines they still obey a strict code of honor. Everything about them just screams awesome...except for AvP of course. I think the Predator is the best scifi alien ever created. and of course the Aliens are right behind in the no.2 spot.. more like 1.5 actually.
Predators aren't more intelligent. Aliens don't succumb to their own egos, which is what killed the first two Predators we've seen.
Quote from: saeytan2 on Aug 03, 2009, 09:26:23 AM
and far more intelligent... they still obey a strict code of honor.
Debatable.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 03, 2009, 05:31:44 PM
Predators aren't more intelligent. Aliens don't succumb to their own egos, which is what killed the first two Predators we've seen.
Yes, agreed. But that is exactly what the Predators are all about. Their personal egos are a significant part of their whole existence. I'm not glorifying egos here. The Predators are the way they are because it is built into their culture. Aliens just multiply and kill anything in their way. Like cancer, or a biological weapon just infecting everything it touches. I've just always viewed the Predators as having more of a character, more complex in comparison to an alien.
Aliens for me, mainly because I love the films, the sound they make and I like their design
The Alien.
Ash's assessment summed it up perfectly.
It IS indeed the perfect organism.
No morality. No religion. No delusions of grandure. No ego. No need for money or desire for power.
They seek simple perpetuation. Survival.
I would go further and say that Alien: Resurrection showed us more as to their individual personalities within the pages of the book, but I consider the entire story to be a tainted piece of work. As much as I enjoyed the idea of the Aliens communicating and us humans being privy to those thoughts and how they feel, but at the same time, because these Aliens are not...pure, it's hard to accept them for what they are.
Sure, if one defines perfection as having the aforementioned traits you've mentioned.
Perfection, no matter how we choose to define it, is a matter of perception and interpretation. We, being human, cannot truly percieve perfection in another being without establishing a series of predefining qualities.
Your statement is too evident to be doubted.
Aliens may not be as intelligent or technically advanced as preds but they're more animalistic and brutal so I choose Aliens. -Lurves the way Alpha Alien pinned Celtic with no effort-
definately Alien
its nightmarish and mysterious. perfect killing machine while the predators need machines for killing ::)
not to mention the xenomorph is a creation of my favorite artist and director
alien prequel ftw
Being overall larger creatures I wasn't surprised the way Alpha pinned Celtic with ease, he knew it was coming.
Aliens are taller, but I would bet Predators weigh more. They're broader than Aliens.
Well you gotta remember that a creature can only be so big before it's exoskeleton becomes too heavy for the body to withstand and the pressure crushes it, so I would assume it also has an endoskeleton to combat the pressure, this probably explains why they're so f**king strong, all that weight would add up. I'm not saying an Alien would weigh more than a fully armored pred, no.
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 14, 2009, 05:06:31 AM
Being overall larger creatures I wasn't surprised the way Alpha pinned Celtic with ease, he knew it was coming.
I just find it kind of ridiculous that we see Marines mow down dozens of Aliens and one Predator couldn't do shit.
The Aliens weren't tackling them.
We saw Aliens leap down and grab ahold of several Marines in Aliens. I don't think an Alien could of handle lifting up a Predator.
They can punch through blast doors. Something tells me lifting up a Predator wouldn't be too hard.
I sit corrected. The alien did lift Chopper up with its tail.
All I was getting at was how ridiculous it was that part was. I'm fine with the fact that Chopper got snuck up on.. I just wish that wasn't the first alien on Predator contact to appear in the movie.
What bothers me is how terrible Celtic did when we see Lex kill an Alien just by lifting up a spear.
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 15, 2009, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 14, 2009, 05:06:31 AM
Being overall larger creatures I wasn't surprised the way Alpha pinned Celtic with ease, he knew it was coming.
I just find it kind of ridiculous that we see Marines mow down dozens of Aliens and one Predator couldn't do shit.
They were using Phase Plasma Pulse Rifles mate, that'd mow down just 'bout anything.
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 15, 2009, 09:57:35 PM
What bothers me is how terrible Celtic did when we see Lex kill an Alien just by lifting up a spear.
Ya, I agree. Cockiness gets Celtic killed, yet Lex kills an Alien that forgets it has arms. WTF.
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 15, 2009, 11:44:03 PM
They were using Phase Plasma Pulse Rifles mate, that'd mow down just 'bout anything.
0_0 the pulse rifles fire explosive rounds, what phase plasma?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2009, 05:01:09 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 15, 2009, 09:57:35 PM
What bothers me is how terrible Celtic did when we see Lex kill an Alien just by lifting up a spear.
Ya, I agree. Cockiness gets Celtic killed, yet Lex kills an Alien that forgets it has arms. WTF.
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 15, 2009, 11:44:03 PM
They were using Phase Plasma Pulse Rifles mate, that'd mow down just 'bout anything.
0_0 the pulse rifles fire explosive rounds, what phase plasma?
In the film Aliens when Hudson is going on his 'rant' in the APC he calls them 'Phase Plasma Pulse' Rifles, I'm just going by what he called them. M41A Phase Plasma Pulse Rifles
They weren't using phase plasma rifles at any rate.
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 16, 2009, 05:13:11 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2009, 05:01:09 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 15, 2009, 09:57:35 PM
What bothers me is how terrible Celtic did when we see Lex kill an Alien just by lifting up a spear.
Ya, I agree. Cockiness gets Celtic killed, yet Lex kills an Alien that forgets it has arms. WTF.
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 15, 2009, 11:44:03 PM
They were using Phase Plasma Pulse Rifles mate, that'd mow down just 'bout anything.
0_0 the pulse rifles fire explosive rounds, what phase plasma?
In the film Aliens when Hudson is going on his 'rant' in the APC he calls them 'Phase Plasma Pulse' Rifles, I'm just going by what he called them. M41A Phase Plasma Pulse Rifles
I didn't say that the Marines with their weaponry against the Aliens was ridiculous. I was getting at that the Marines+weaponry compared to the Predators+weaponry against the Aliens was very different. I would of thought seeing how the Marines had the upper hand, that the Predator would even be a step ahead.
I prefer Aliens. This is why:
The Alien was a work of art. It was the concept-child of Giger, and it carried its own commentaries - largely psychosexual. It's something startlingly original and horrifying. Ultimately, it's got an intensely interesting design that's as alien as its psychology. The references to rape indiscriminate of the victim's sex were also wildly, wildly daring for the time (and would even be daring today).
The Alien, in both concept and practise, had absolutely no restrictions. It was an amazing creature from an amazing movie that carried commentary and underlying, psychological exposition.
It was, and is, art.
The Predator on the other hand is a Hollywood cop-out. It's basically just a big guy with a big gun. The warrior-tribe thing is pretty unimpressive, given that such a culture is directly influenced by cultures already existing on earth. In addition, it appears mostly to appeal to the kind of audience who don't grasp that the point of any good narrative is to explain a concept, or reveal a way of thinking. The Predator movies never set out to do either of these things, and the monster design reflects this. It's lazy, boring and signifies nothing.
The Predator is a great representation of Hollywood money-mongering and it's a shame that the genius of ALIEN ended up being brought low by such tripe.
Uh, sorry to Predator fans, I guess.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 20, 2009, 07:59:40 PM
The Predator on the other hand is a Hollywood cop-out. It's basically just a big guy with a big gun.
And wristblades, and a spear, and a spear gun, and a throwing disc...
Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 20, 2009, 07:59:40 PMThe warrior-tribe thing is pretty unimpressive, given that such a culture is directly influenced by cultures already existing on earth.
And that means what, exactly?
Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 20, 2009, 07:59:40 PMIn addition, it appears mostly to appeal to the kind of audience who don't grasp that the point of any good narrative is to explain a concept, or reveal a way of thinking. The Predator movies never set out to do either of these things, and the monster design reflects this. It's lazy, boring and signifies nothing.
It's not supposed to. The Predator is not supposed to be some sort of psychosexual creature with mysterious tones to it like the Alien. It is simply a hunter, and a very technologically advanced one at that.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 20, 2009, 07:59:40 PMThe Predator is a great representation of Hollywood money-mongering and it's a shame that the genius of ALIEN ended up being brought low by such tripe.
And yet the Predator, along with the movie (first), has become one of Hollywood's most recognizable monsters, along with several pop culture appearances to its name and continues to interest movie fans to this day.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 21, 2009, 05:50:50 AM
And wristblades, and a spear, and a spear gun, and a throwing disc...
That doesn't change my point at all. It's essentially human in design.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 21, 2009, 05:50:50 AMAnd that means what, exactly?
It means that it's not really very alien or truly exotic. It doesn't help that the warrior-race thing is a trope that's called upon far too often.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 21, 2009, 05:50:50 AMIt's not supposed to. The Predator is not supposed to be some sort of psychosexual creature with mysterious tones to it like the Alien. It is simply a hunter, and a very technologically advanced one at that.
Spot on. It's boring and uncreative.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 21, 2009, 05:50:50 AMAnd yet the Predator, along with the movie (first), has become one of Hollywood's most recognizable monsters, along with several pop culture appearances to its name and continues to interest movie fans to this day.
You're illustrating my points very, very well here. The Predator is all flash, no substance, because substance doesn't create popularity but
regression. Look what happened to the
ALIEN series - it was consistently dumbed down time and time again. You don't need to dumb down the Predator; it's already a ridiculously stupid, boring, unoriginal concept.
I might point out at this point that getting defensive about your movie monster of choice is a pretty stereotypical pit to fall in for a Predator fan when it comes to this franchise. I remember when I used to post at Planet AvP, before it died, the sheer amount of Pred worship and the backlash whenever anyone had the gall to interrupt that. Just be happy with your opinion and your own enjoyment of the creature - I'm just some guy on the internet, surely you don't require my approval?
Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 21, 2009, 06:41:31 AM
It means that it's not really very alien or truly exotic. It doesn't help that the warrior-race thing is a trope that's called upon far too often.
Neither was the Alien after it was turned into a termite, what's that got to do with anything?
QuoteSpot on. It's boring and uncreative.
I've been a die-hard Alien fan most my life, but even I couldn't call the Predator itself boring, especially in the first movie.
QuoteI might point out at this point that getting defensive about your movie monster of choice is a pretty stereotypical pit to fall in for a Predator fan when it comes to this franchise.
No shit? You're attacking something he likes - the f**k do you expect him to do, bend over and take your opinion as law?
Seriously, what the hell is your problem? You're the kind of asshole Alien fanboy that makes me dislike associating with Alien fans.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 21, 2009, 11:28:49 AM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 21, 2009, 06:41:31 AM
It means that it's not really very alien or truly exotic. It doesn't help that the warrior-race thing is a trope that's called upon far too often.
Neither was the Alien after it was turned into a termite, what's that got to do with anything?
QuoteSpot on. It's boring and uncreative.
I've been a die-hard Alien fan most my life, but even I couldn't call the Predator itself boring, especially in the first movie.
QuoteI might point out at this point that getting defensive about your movie monster of choice is a pretty stereotypical pit to fall in for a Predator fan when it comes to this franchise.
No shit? You're attacking something he likes - the f**k do you expect him to do, bend over and take your opinion as law?
Seriously, what the hell is your problem? You're the kind of asshole Alien fanboy that makes me dislike associating with Alien fans.
This.
There's nothing wrong with the predator, I just think you're trying to piss of predator fans.
I just think that the Predator was a pretty cheap, boring Hollywood ploy. That's just my opinion and, like I said, I'm just some random asshole on the internet so there's no reason you have to care about it. This has nothing to do with him "bending over".
I dislike something he likes and I have my reasons - not a big deal. There's no personal conflict here at all, so don't turn this into one. For what it's worth, I don't have anything against anyone here for any reason, and I'm pretty happy with that state of affairs. I'm not about to start a hate crusade just because someone's a Predator fan.
Chill pill.
EDIT: The Predator fanboy comment was a pretty poor show, though. Sorry about that one.
Quote from: Kriszilla on Aug 21, 2009, 11:32:13 AM
There's nothing wrong with the predator, I just think you're trying to piss of predator fans.
Which I should say, isn't really a good idea, atleast here.
Mhm, it was like that at Planet AvP. I know what I'm getting myself into.
Let me reiterate that I'm not taking a stab at Predator fans. I just really dislike Predators as I find them uninteresting as a concept and uninspired as a design, especially in this franchise where the comparison was always going to be made.
Although, as an aside, while I still don't find Predators very interesting, AvP does make them substantially cooler in general. Hunting down human beings from the 90s who just aren't genre savvy is a pretty awful way for a super-hunter to spend their time, but admittedly giving them a proper foe makes their presence justified.
So I'm sure you loved what Wolf did to the aliens in AVPR.
Short answer: Yeah.
Long answer: I think Predator fans should be pretty pissed off at that, too.
I mean, aside from the Aliens behaving stupidly and, you know, not mashing up Wolf using their weaponised bodies, it's like Wolf didn't really have an enemy to fight. Holding off two immobile Aliens isn't much of a victory, and if I was a Pred I wouldn't be telling that story when I'm an Elder.
"Tell us a story, Grandpa Wolf, about fighting the Aliens!"
"f**k YOU CHILDREN"
Did Wolf kill the Predalien? I don't remember. That was an abomination anyway and I was rather surprised that the other Aliens didn't destroy it themselves.
Although, most of what I remember from that movie was "awful teen drama subplot" and "why did they choose this setting for a goddamn monster brawl someone please fill me in c'mon guys seriously".
But back to the topic of hating on Predators, them defeating Aliens isn't the issue so much as them being uninteresting to me. I mean, according to canon sources they have the capacity to defeat such creatures so that's fair enough. It's just that when I see a Predator, I see a big ugly dude with neat technology, not a compelling monster.
What the hell is your problem anyway? You expressed your opinion about the Predator, you don't like it, fine, you hate shit out of it, fine, but arguing with someone who likes it and attacking him for his opinion is a pretty stupid move.
Especially on a Alien/Predator fanboard.
Move on.
He's only expressing his disdain towards the Predator, JH. I'm certain that this vent will be over soon enough. Let him be.
I didn't hate on him for liking the Predator. I've pointed that out, specifically, twice at least. It's more that he got defensive and responded with an absolutely awful argument that didn't really undo any of my criticisms of the Predator.
I've seen this guy post on other parts of the forum and he seems like a good dude. No offense meant and I don't consider him a poor poster.
Let me reiterate:
I'm not looking for conflict here nor do I really see one unless someone chooses to reignite it. We're debating fictional creatures in a corporate-designed monster mash, so let's treat this lightly. Frankly, I'd enjoy debating the design and narrative merits of the Predator if anyone wants to offer their own arguments in its favour.
EDIT: My words were highly reactionary, and considered a quantity of Predator cocksucking that I generally perceived in the AvP community at large but does not appear to be so powerful here. Was anyone here apart from SiL a part of the Planet AvP community during the peak of AvP2's popularity? You'd understand.
QuoteIt's more that he got defensive and responded with an absolutely awful argument that didn't really undo any of my criticisms of the Predator.
I just told someone that i wont even bother arguing with you, and i wont, but i think i have to clarify to you how this site works.
His argument, or
any argument on this site not only regarding Alien or Predator, is not supposed to change people opinions, or how you call it, 'undo criticism'.
If you don't like something then you wont like it, no matter what, because you have your own reasons for disliking it, but at the same time, we have our reasons to
like it, and no one will change that, even if 20 of guys like you say "Yo, the predator sucks, its booooring!".
His opinion will not make you love the Predator, and neither will your statements make us dislike it.
Statements are only made to express your own opinion, not to change anybody else's, and seriously, what did you expect him to say? You're saying the Predator is stupid, he was saying it isn't, so what? What did you really expect to happen?
It's like going into a midnight bar full of bikers and telling one of the guys "Hey, i just pissed all over your motorcycle, but i'm sure that's just fine!!" And you expect him to agree with you and stating your opinion as fact.
You expressed your opinion, he doesn't agree with you, i don't agree with you and so doesn't the rest of us from what i have seen so far. You have to respect that and we have to respect that, its
just an opinion that we wont change, and like said before, you wont change ours, so the whole arguing you're doing is unnecessary in the first place.
Like i said, please move on.
I didn't come into this thread with the intent to change any opinions - I came in with the intent of expressing mine and I did. When my opinion was put under scrutiny, I responded in kind.
Sure I was an asshole about it and I regret that at this point since you're getting defensive, but it's no reason not to bring up those aspects in discussion. Hell, maybe I'll gain a new appreciation for the Predator at some point if its merits are discussed in a different light. I'm not even bullshitting here. Maybe there's some aspect I'm just not getting. I could be dead wrong. It's happened before.
I don't particularly care about anyone agreeing with me (or otherwise I would've expressed myself with a hint of tact in the first place), I just want to make it clear that it's absolutely nothing personal. It's not as if I go "OH SHIT PRED FAN RAGE TIME". I had pretty much moved on after my second post and now I'm just responding to further posts. The best way to get me to "move on" is to stop behaving as if I'm trying to engage in some kind of conflict anymore, because I have minimal investment in this thread.
If this were a meatlife disagreement, this is the part where I offer to buy you a drink and call it even.
Just try not to make your post as if you're trying to take a jab at the predator, and (hopefully) people wont overreact next time.
Cheers.
I like the Alien. It's just such an alien design. The entire creature pretty much is unlike anything here on Earth. With the Predator, he's basically a really buff, scaly humanoid with a cool face. The only really odd thing about them are their heads and their glow stick blood. But the Aliens, they have two jaws, no eyes, big sharp pointy claws, ridges up and down their bodies, these weird things sticking out of their backs, and a tail that they can stab things with. Oh yes, and acid blood. They were also able to kill off almost an entire squad of Marines without having to have any technological advantage, which the Predator could never do.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 27, 2009, 04:37:56 PM
I like the Alien. It's just such an alien design. The entire creature pretty much is unlike anything here on Earth. With the Predator, he's basically a really buff, scaly humanoid with a cool face. The only really odd thing about them are their heads and their glow stick blood. But the Aliens, they have two jaws, no eyes, big sharp pointy claws, ridges up and down their bodies, these weird things sticking out of their backs, and a tail that they can stab things with. Oh yes, and acid blood. They were also able to kill off almost an entire squad of Marines without having to have any technological advantage, which the Predator could never do.
In Predator 2, the Predator killed almost all of Key's crew with only a spear.
QuoteIn Predator 2, the Predator killed almost all of Key's crew with only a spear.
And a shoulder cannon...
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Aug 28, 2009, 10:38:26 AM
QuoteIn Predator 2, the Predator killed almost all of Key's crew with only a spear.
And a shoulder cannon...
Hence why he said
almost, he only used the shoulder cannon
once by the way.
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 28, 2009, 10:32:58 AM
In Predator 2, the Predator killed almost all of Key's crew with only a spear.
Yes, but Key's crew thought that they were invisible to the Pedator, and a spear is still technology, especially when it's made from some unknown alloy and telescopes. Oh, and it also had active camouflage, which is a pretty big tech advantage in my opinion. An Alien has literally got nothing but their flesh and bones.
QuoteYes, but Key's crew thought that they were invisible to the Pedator
They thought wrong, simple as that.
QuoteOh, and it also had active camouflage, which is a pretty big tech advantage in my opinion.
Doesn't do much if the Predator didn't cloaked himself during the carnage don't you think?
Now you could say, well, he would have cloaked himself if he was actually be able to do so, wrong, because at this point in time he never knew that he couldn't cloak himself, as seen later when he wants to cloak himself when Harrigan arrives and he's pretty surprised by that.
He went in there with his spear, against 6 men who were all armed with machine guns and liquid nitrogen, plus he had a hard time seeing them with their special suits.
QuoteAn Alien has literally got nothing but their flesh and bones.
And therefore is in heavy disadvantage in certain situations.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 28, 2009, 07:22:10 PM
Now you could say, well, he would have cloaked himself if he was actually be able to do so, wrong, because at this point in time he never knew that he couldn't cloak himself
Yes he did. After he switches vision modes and sees Keyes and his men, he goes for his control panel, but the cloak doesn't work because of the particles Keyes' men flooded the warehouse with.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 28, 2009, 07:22:10 PMplus he had a hard time seeing them with their special suits.
He saw them just fine after switching to the appropriate vision mode. Why do you think he took them out so quickly?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2009, 06:59:15 PM
An Alien has literally got nothing but their flesh and bones.
In some cases, it works better than the cloak because it's a natural ability. It cannot be hampered by foreign materials, like Pussyface's cloak was in P2.
QuoteYes he did. After he switches vision modes and sees Keyes and his men, he goes for his control panel, but the cloak doesn't work because of the particles Keyes' men flooded the warehouse with.
Wrong, after he switches the vision modes he does in no time play around or even touch his control panel anymore, he switches to the vision mode so he could see the heat of the lights, then he reaches forward his arms so he could see what his hands look like in the new vision, probably to see what he has to react to if someone without the camouflage suits was coming into the slaughterhouse.
If he wanted to cloak himself he would have just tried to just like he did with Harrigan later on.
QuoteHe saw them just fine after switching to the appropriate vision mode. Why do you think he took them out so quickly?
He didn't saw them just fine, all he saw was a bit of heat coming from the lights, he couldn't detect the body's though, which gave him a hard time, harder than usual.
QuoteIn some cases, it works better than the cloak because it's a natural ability. It cannot be hampered by foreign materials, like Pussyface's cloak was in P2.
The only thing that disables the cloak is water, that's it.
Even in the jungle with very strong atmospheric humidity it doesn't disable the cloak.
There is really no better cloak than being almost
invisible dude.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 29, 2009, 01:48:49 PM
Yes he did. After he switches vision modes and sees Keyes and his men, he goes for his control panel, but the cloak doesn't work because of the particles Keyes' men flooded the warehouse with.
Not really. If he knew he couldn't cloak himself, why did he try to after going against Harrigan. And if he knew it wouldn't work why did he seem so surprised when it didn't work?
What I was trying to say is if you take away the Predator's weapons and helmet, and his utility wristband, and put this naked Predator into a similar situation as, say, Alien, then he would not have killed as many of the Nostromo's crew as the Alien did. Sure, he'd probably get one, maybe even two, but he wouldn't be able to kill all but one. And that's why I like the Alien more. I also think it's a more realistic design for and alien lifeform, but what really is out there is probably stranger still.
I wouldn't find it hard to believe, since the crew weren't even armed with weapons, besides a flamthrower, which I wouldn't think would do much to a pred. All it has to do is what the alien did, stay hidden, and pick them off one by one.
The alien is the ultimate survivor .... almost every AVP fan knows this. I must say however ... We know next to nothing about the Predators ... we know a lot about the aliens.
Alien facts we don't know:
Origins
Space Jockeys
Predator facts we don't know:
Origins
Involvment with aliens
Culture
reproduction
ect.
Anway ....
Aliens are their own weapon ... so what? Am I supposed to believe this makes them better? No ... The Predator stripped naked couldn't kill as many people as the alien could ... but Predators have weapons , so why not use them anyway? I could defeat an army of 20 lions with a tommy gun ... should I drop it to make them look better? No ....
You know what, f**k the technology. My first points were about the designs of the creatures themselves, which everybody seems to have forgotten. The Alien just looks much cooler and has a more creative and imaginative design than the Predator. That is my main reason for liking the Alien more. The Predator is still cool, but the Alien is better.
I could say the same thing about the Predator.
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 29, 2009, 11:55:07 PM
I could say the same thing about the Predator.
How? As I said before he is basically a really buff guy with fluorescent blood and a strange head. The Alien, as I also said before, is unlike almost anything we have here on Earth. The Predator is quite similar to us. Again, not saying he isn't cool, just saying he isn't as cool as the Alien.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 30, 2009, 04:12:10 AM
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 29, 2009, 11:55:07 PM
I could say the same thing about the Predator.
How? As I said before he is basically a really buff guy with fluorescent blood and a strange head. The Alien, as I also said before, is unlike almost anything we have here on Earth. The Predator is quite similar to us. Again, not saying he isn't cool, just saying he isn't as cool as the Alien.
My vote goes to the ALIEN (of course!), but I have to agree on that the Predator is cooler than the Alien; the Predator is a thousand gallons of coolness whereas the Alien is a genuinely disturbing piece of art (...even though people have done there best to weed out the uniqueness and art from the Alien 'genome' by turning them into generic cannon fodder space bugs).
Sorry for sounding like a pretentious douche, but I prefer 'oddness' and art before coolness and bad assery - any time, any day.
QuoteHow? As I said before he is basically a really buff guy with fluorescent blood and a strange head.
And the alien is basically a really skinny guy with a tail and a penis head.
QuoteThe Alien, as I also said before, is unlike almost anything we have here on Earth.
The alien, since
Aliens, is one of the most basic things we have here on earth, a Termite.
QuoteThe Predator is quite similar to us.
The Predator is nothing like us, you say its basically a man, which it's not. If anything, it's more of a lizard with the skin and skin tones.
Never seen the movie "I come in peace"? That is basically a man
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QuoteAgain, not saying he isn't cool, just saying he isn't as cool as the Alien.
And that is your opinion, i think its vice versa, the Alien is cool, just not as cool as the Predator.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 30, 2009, 01:53:01 PM
QuoteHow? As I said before he is basically a really buff guy with fluorescent blood and a strange head.
And the alien is basically a really skinny guy with a tail and a penis head.
QuoteThe Alien, as I also said before, is unlike almost anything we have here on Earth.
The alien, since Aliens, is one of the most basic things we have here on earth, a Termite.
QuoteThe Predator is quite similar to us.
The Predator is nothing like us, you say its basically a man, which it's not. If anything, it's more of a lizard with the skin and skin tones.
Never seen the movie "I come in peace"? That is basically a man
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QuoteAgain, not saying he isn't cool, just saying he isn't as cool as the Alien.
And that is your opinion, i think its vice versa, the Alien is cool, just not as cool as the Predator.
I see a green wrestler with an ugly face...
No comment? Damn, i thought i could annoy that c**t ;D
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 30, 2009, 04:12:10 AM
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 29, 2009, 11:55:07 PM
I could say the same thing about the Predator.
How? As I said before he is basically a really buff guy with fluorescent blood and a strange head. The Alien, as I also said before, is unlike almost anything we have here on Earth. The Predator is quite similar to us. Again, not saying he isn't cool, just saying he isn't as cool as the Alien.
The word is opinion.
Like think they're both cool as hell. But what makes me like the Predator more is that it chooses to kill. That seems twisted. The Aliens kills for their survival.
As far as appearance, The Predator is humanoid. The body form is simalar. That's about it.
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 30, 2009, 04:48:47 PM
The word is opinion.
Like think they're both cool as hell. But what makes me like the Predator more is that it chooses to kill. That seems twisted. The Aliens kills for their survival.
As far as appearance, The Predator is humanoid. The body form is simalar. That's about it.
I know, and I am voicing my opinion. I just think that humanoid aliens are a bit unimaginative. I think the Predator would have been cooler if they had made it digitgrade and given it backwards bending knees. Unfortunately, they couldn't due to production purposes. The Predator kind of wound up looking like a high-budget Star Trek alien. I'm also not posting here anymore, unless someone really bashes the Alien or really pisses me off.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 31, 2009, 01:36:00 AM
I know, and I am voicing my opinion. I just think that humanoid aliens are a bit unimaginative. I think the Predator would have been cooler if they had made it digitgrade and given it backwards bending knees.
The predator would look like shit if he was that way.
Don't bother Predboy, let them enjoy their 'piece of art' and we enjoy our boring, unimaginative Star Trek monster, or how they call it.
And members like "stroggificated" really just show us how much brain the average alien fan really has by calling other people 'c**t' for expressing their opinion.
Let it go.
Its not worth it.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 31, 2009, 02:27:17 AM
.....really just show us how much brain the average alien fan really has.....
Ouch Johnny. Ouch :D
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 31, 2009, 01:36:00 AM
Unfortunately, they couldn't due to production purposes.
No, they didn't do it because a) that would not have suited the purposes of the film and b) you do know they received extra money to completely re-design the Predator via Stan Winston once they received the initial costume, right?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 31, 2009, 01:36:00 AMThe Predator kind of wound up looking like a high-budget Star Trek alien.
Find me a Star Trek alien that bears even a remote resemblance to the Predator.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 31, 2009, 01:36:00 AMI'm also not posting here anymore, unless someone really bashes the Alien or really pisses me off.
Best news I've heard all day.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 31, 2009, 04:22:14 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 31, 2009, 01:36:00 AM
Unfortunately, they couldn't due to production purposes.
No, they didn't do it because a) that would not have suited the purposes of the film and b) you do know they received extra money to completely re-design the Predator via Stan Winston once they received the initial costume, right?
Okay, this will be the last post. Just wanted to clear up this misconception. Stan Winston originally had a much more elaborate alien design, which included backwards legs. They didn't give it a backwards bending leg because the jungle locations made it too difficult for filming. That is a production purpose.
Quote from: Vulhala on Aug 31, 2009, 10:38:45 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 31, 2009, 02:27:17 AM
.....really just show us how much brain the average alien fan really has.....
Ouch Johnny. Ouch :D
Like i said...he's a c**t.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 31, 2009, 04:44:46 PM
Okay, this will be the last post. Just wanted to clear up this misconception. Stan Winston originally had a much more elaborate alien design, which included backwards legs. They didn't give it a backwards bending leg because the jungle locations made it too difficult for filming. That is a production purpose.
Stan Winston's team didn't design that. Winston's team was brought in to replace that, because the Director thought it looked stupid.
This tread clearly shows us that they never should've mixed (and thereby bastardizing) the two franchises in the first place. The easter egg in the end of Predator 2 screwed things up really bad. Really, really bad.
Hey, no one forced them to make up a whole franchise out of an insider joke.
Good thing, too, because they didn't.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 31, 2009, 10:41:10 PM
Good thing, too, because they didn't.
Yeah, i think the AvP comics came out even before Predator 2.
Alright, then lets just say, no one forced them to make up a whole franchise from somebody who originated the idea on his shithouse.
He saw a hunter, and he saw prey, and said "Hey, why not."
I'm glad he did. I thoroughly enjoy the original comic and I'm glad we have the AvP games. Much else besides that is usually a load of wank, true, but no-one's forcing me to read or watch it, so it hardly bothers me.
Yeah, I forgot about the comic (like all AvP comics, it sucked!). Even so, I still believe that the easter egg (AKA the insider joke) in Predator 2 is what really did set the wheels in motion.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 31, 2009, 04:22:14 PM
Find me a Star Trek alien that bears even a remote resemblance to the Predator.
I think he's referring to the humanoid design and the crest-like forehead that might remind some of the Klingons (among other Star Trek aliens).
The concept that a Predator might draw its design lineage from Star Trek isn't necessarily a bad trait in itself, although it's understandable that you wouldn't want it associated with the Predator as you see it.
I think it's largely important to note what someone values in the presentation of extraterrestrials. For instance, I personally dislike aliens that resemble human beings too much, because then they cease to speak to me of aliens and seem like some mutant strain of primate. I understand that it doesn't work like this for everyone, but it's worth noting that bearing too much resemblance to human beings makes the Predator less believable as an alien for some, as its evolutionary development is far too consistent with our own.
SpaceMarines (and I and everyone else who's made this point) have a point when it comes to the humanoid design of the Predator. No matter your opinion of the design, its observable elements are largely drawn from human beings, cultures and movements. If you dig it, then that's fine, but you can't say that the Predator is inhuman in presentation when it's anything but.
On the other hand, getting heated over Hollywood monsters is a waste of time and energy. Let's not have that again.
Okay just hitting on two topics:
1.) Aliens are more alien then Predator. But Predator was just that - the ultimate hunter more so then it being an alien. The Preds original design was very " alien " , but dumb.
2.) Predators a HUGE. I remember , over three pages of posts ago , someone said aliens are two meters which equals eight feet.
One meter is 3.4 feet. Not four feet.
So the alien is 6 foot 8 inches tall , not eight feet.
The Predator is Seven feet tall.
Just saying , all the best.
Yeah ...
In Alien 3, Ripley described to the warden that the Alien is 8 feet tall.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Sep 01, 2009, 05:25:57 PM
In Alien 3, Ripley described to the warden that the Alien is 8 feet tall.
I didn't see Ripley running around with a tape measure.
BTW, the guy who said that the alien is 8ft tall was the same guy that said that the Alien also weights a ton, a
ton...
Which is observably impossible, just from viewing canon material. There's no way the creature could find itself hiding in the kinds of places it does with that weight, especially when it comes to hanging from chains like in ALIEN.
I'd actually assume the physiology of the creature is even more alien than its appearance, being unsurprised if it was remarkably light given its 6-8 ft. height.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 01, 2009, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Sep 01, 2009, 05:25:57 PM
In Alien 3, Ripley described to the warden that the Alien is 8 feet tall.
I didn't see Ripley running around with a tape measure.
BTW, the guy who said that the alien is 8ft tall was the same guy that said that the Alien also weights a ton, a ton...
And this is coming from the guy who said that the Predator knocked Arnie over twenty feet across the jungle.
Twenty feet.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Sep 01, 2009, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 01, 2009, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Sep 01, 2009, 05:25:57 PM
In Alien 3, Ripley described to the warden that the Alien is 8 feet tall.
I didn't see Ripley running around with a tape measure.
BTW, the guy who said that the alien is 8ft tall was the same guy that said that the Alien also weights a ton, a ton...
And this is coming from the guy who said that the Predator knocked Arnie over twenty feet across the jungle.
Twenty feet.
Coming from the guy who said he knocked Arnie 6 feet (1,80 metre).
See where Arnie is? See where the Predator is? You call that distance 6 feet?
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Looks more like 4 metres, which is around 13 feet, like i said before.
But like you showed so many times before, that proves absolutely nothing right? The Alien weights a ton, is 8 feet tall and has god-like power.. have fun in your imaginary world.
About the size of the Alien: Bolaji Badejo (the actor who played the original Alien creature) is 7 ft 2 (218 cm), and add the extra height of the head (remember that the actor's head is located in the neck of the suit), which should at least add an extra foot - so yeah, the Alien (at least the one in the first movie) is at least 8 feet tall.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 01, 2009, 08:26:22 PM
About the size of the Alien: Bolaji Badejo (the actor who played the original Alien creature) is 7 ft 2 (218 cm), and add the extra height of the head (remember that the actor's head is located in the neck of the suit), which should at least add an extra foot - so yeah, the Alien (at least the one in the first movie) is at least 8 feet tall.
Kevin Peter Hall is 7 feet 2½" (220 cm)tall, add the Predator sandales and some extra height of the head on top and the Predator is close to 8 feet.
Also, Bolaji's head wasn't inside the neck, it was inside the head, it was only in Alien 3 when Tom Woodruff began to play the alien that the head was inside the neck.
The predator isn't "close" to eight feet with or without foam.
Quote
Find me a Star Trek alien that bears even a remote resemblance to the Predator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirogen
Quotehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirogen
Thank you for showing us yet another Predator rip off, it feels good that filmmakers getting inspired by this iconic design and behaviour, yet never even slightly reach its quality. 8)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 01, 2009, 09:02:44 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 01, 2009, 08:26:22 PM
About the size of the Alien: Bolaji Badejo (the actor who played the original Alien creature) is 7 ft 2 (218 cm), and add the extra height of the head (remember that the actor's head is located in the neck of the suit), which should at least add an extra foot - so yeah, the Alien (at least the one in the first movie) is at least 8 feet tall.
Kevin Peter Hall is 7 feet 2½" (220 cm)tall, add the Predator sandales and some extra height of the head on top and the Predator is close to 8 feet.
Also, Bolaji's head wasn't inside the neck, it was inside the head, it was only in Alien 3 when Tom Woodruff began to play the alien that the head was inside the neck.
...So they're basically of the same hight then.
Quote from: Xhan on Sep 01, 2009, 09:18:23 PM
Find me a Star Trek alien that bears even a remote resemblance to the Predator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirogen
[/quote]
Yup, I agree with that parallel. But that came
long after the Predator. The post you quoted was in reference to SpaceMarine claiming the Predator was a cheap Star Trek-style alien.
What if the alien and predator are really from the star trek universe,the next sequel avp the final frontier.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 01, 2009, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Sep 01, 2009, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 01, 2009, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Sep 01, 2009, 05:25:57 PM
In Alien 3, Ripley described to the warden that the Alien is 8 feet tall.
I didn't see Ripley running around with a tape measure.
BTW, the guy who said that the alien is 8ft tall was the same guy that said that the Alien also weights a ton, a ton...
And this is coming from the guy who said that the Predator knocked Arnie over twenty feet across the jungle.
Twenty feet.
Coming from the guy who said he knocked Arnie 6 feet (1,80 metre).
See where Arnie is? See where the Predator is? You call that distance 6 feet?
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Looks more like 4 metres, which is around 13 feet, like i said before.
But like you showed so many times before, that proves absolutely nothing right? The Alien weights a ton, is 8 feet tall and has god-like power.. have fun in your imaginary world.
The Alien
is eight feet, and it had enough strength to easily leap through twenty tons of lead. Pretty God-like.
And, take the distance between the Predator and Arnie's feet, and you get around six feet, seven and a half
at most. Take it from the camera, which is past Arnie completely, and you have around your estimate of thirteen feet. But, hey, the fact that my points have been proven before mean absolutely nothing, right? The Alien is seven feet tall, has strength comparable to a humans, and weighs two hundred pounds?
QuoteAlso, Bolaji's head wasn't inside the neck, it was inside the head, it was only in Alien 3 when Tom Woodruff began to play the alien that the head was inside the neck.
It was more neck than head on the first film. From the eyebrows up Bolaji's head was inside in the Aliens head.
QuoteThe Alien is eight feet
Yet, you have nothing to back it up.
Quoteand it had enough strength to easily leap through twenty tons of lead. Pretty God-like.
Which already contradicts with everything shown previously, if it really had that much strength then why didn't the alien in the A3 extended cut just break free through that steel door it was trapped in? Or just opened up that door against Hicks in Aliens? Or hell, just break through any wall in the colony? Or that steel door in Aliens, which it needed quite some time to break though?
QuoteAnd, take the distance between the Predator and Arnie's feet, and you get around six feet
But that's not the way you measure it, when they make broad jumps on the Olympics they are also measuring how far they managed to jump with whatever they land first, in this case, its Arnold's head.
Also, he flies in a hooked position, still a lot more than 6 feet.
QuoteBut, hey, the fact that my points have been proven
I don't know what you mean by "proven" all the time, you don't prove anything at all, or even try to.
QuoteThe Alien is seven feet tall, has strength comparable to a humans, and weighs two hundred pounds?
It's stronger than a human, it is around 7 feet tall and probably weights around 250 pounds.
A ton? No. Exoskeleton? No indication for that, still you're claiming it has one all the time, again, without delivering anything to back up your statement.
QuoteIt was more neck than head on the first film. From the eyebrows up Bolaji's head was inside in the Aliens head.
It wasn't completely in the head, but also not completely in the neck like Woodruff.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 02, 2009, 01:34:34 AM
QuoteIt was more neck than head on the first film. From the eyebrows up Bolaji's head was inside in the Aliens head.
It wasn't completely in the head, but also not completely in the neck like Woodruff.
Ey... Good morning y'all! *sipping on some cheap office Java*
(...Back to the topic...)
Which means that the Alien in
Alien was 8 feet tall (...and thus Drago-Morph and the rest who say that the Alien is an 8 ft tall creature are right).
May I ask you why you fight the facts with such passion? The Alien is 8 ft tall - so what?
QuoteMay I ask you why you fight the facts with such passion? The Alien is 8 ft tall - so what?
I only fight the things that people
think are facts when they aren't, just like he said that it's a fact that the alien has an exoskeleton, just like he said the Alien weights a ton etc etc.
A Fact becomes a fact when it's proven, i don't see any prove here do you?
All i see is a load of Fanboys stating "This is a fact and that is a fact" without backing anything up, not that i'm surprised about that.
Looks like an exoskeleton to me, man.
If the shoe fits, you know?
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 02, 2009, 01:46:28 PM
Looks like an exoskeleton to me, man.
If the shoe fits, you know?
The inner surface of the facehugger looks like a vagina,
is it a vagina? No.
Although that surface of the facehugger is largely given over to the purpose of reproduction.
So the shoe does kinda fit in that regard.
In any case, I'm sure the concept of the Alien had an exoskeleton as a design point. It's just, sometimes, difficult to represent exoskeletal limbs when bone and carapace surfaces are, themselves, quite smooth. And if Aliens were fleshy, they wouldn't be largely immune to less potent firearms like we see towards the end of ALIENS, or able to withstand 10 or so tonnes of molten lead.
Ergo the "come on, dude". You're essentially arguing against observable canon here.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 02, 2009, 01:34:57 PM
QuoteMay I ask you why you fight the facts with such passion? The Alien is 8 ft tall - so what?
I only fight the things that people think are facts when they aren't, just like he said that it's a fact that the alien has an exoskeleton, just like he said the Alien weights a ton etc etc.
A Fact becomes a fact when it's proven, i don't see any prove here do you?
All i see is a load of Fanboys stating "This is a fact and that is a fact" without backing anything up, not that i'm surprised about that.
I see where you're coming from. Yeah, i agree with you on that - basically, we know nothing about the Aliens. But when it comes to the size (height-wise) of Kane's Son we know that he's approximately 8 ft give or take, simply because Bolaji Badejo is 7 ft 2 and the Alien head most likely added an extra foot despite that Bolaji's own head was only partly located in the suit's neck/head. On top of that they also said in the movies that the Alien creatures are 8 ft tall... So, why fight it? Why not make it easy for ourselves and just agree on the fact that non-Queen Alien adults grow 8 ft tall?
QuoteQuoteThe Alien is eight feet
Yet, you have nothing to back it up.
Y'know, except for the fact that the 7'2 actor's head was located in the neck of the suit, or the fact that
is is directly stated in the film. But maybe you're right. Maybe I'm completely wrong. Or maybe you're wrong. Actually, you kind of are wrong.
QuoteQuoteand it had enough strength to easily leap through twenty tons of lead. Pretty God-like.
Which already contradicts with everything shown previously, if it really had that much strength then why didn't the alien in the A3 extended cut just break free through that steel door it was trapped in? Or just opened up that door against Hicks in Aliens? Or hell, just break through any wall in the colony? Or that steel door in Aliens, which it needed quite some time to break though?
I have no idea why. Oh, wait. The Runner didn't do that because it was six solid feet of super metal, it did open the door against Hicks in Aliens and against other Marines, they did rip through walls in the colony, and it broke through that door in a matter of seconds.
QuoteQuoteAnd, take the distance between the Predator and Arnie's feet, and you get around six feet
But that's not the way you measure it, when they make broad jumps on the Olympics they are also measuring how far they managed to jump with whatever they land first, in this case, its Arnold's head.
Also, he flies in a hooked position, still a lot more than 6 feet.
Except I didn't measure it like that. And, I believe it was more around his mid-upper back that landed first, so you're still not correct. And even if it was his head, thirteen feet is more around the placement of the camera. I at least had it right with his feet, but you over measured the distance completely.
QuoteQuoteBut, hey, the fact that my points have been proven
I don't know what you mean by "proven" all the time, you don't prove anything at all, or even try to.
That's kind of because it was proven in the films, but if you need to be told what happens in the films, I'm more than happy to.
QuoteQuoteThe Alien is seven feet tall, has strength comparable to a humans, and weighs two hundred pounds?
It's stronger than a human, it is around 7 feet tall and probably weights around 250 pounds.
It's a
Hell of a lot stronger, eight feet tall, and probably weighs around nine hundred pounds (yeah, I changed my estimate, 'cos I can see when I'm wrong).
QuoteA ton? No. Exoskeleton? No indication for that, still you're claiming it has one all the time, again, without delivering anything to back up your statement.
Actually, there's all the indication in the world. It has a ribcage on the outside, it's skin can deflect bullets, meaning it
must have some hard properties to it, it has no visible flesh, in Alien Resurrection it made clanking sounds against the metal floor, and I don't know all
that much about science, but I'm pretty sure that normal flesh wouldn't explode like the exoskeleton on the Runner did after being dipped in lead like that and having the sprinklers turned on it.
QuoteQuoteIt was more neck than head on the first film. From the eyebrows up Bolaji's head was inside in the Aliens head.
It wasn't completely in the head, but also not completely in the neck like Woodruff.
Not completely, as others have said, but probably only an inch and a half in the head of the suit. The head was pretty huge. All it would have to be is around ten inches to make eight feet. But, arguing with this point is redundant considering I offered plenty of evidence above as to why it's eight feet.
I wouldn't be surprised if Aliens are 8 feet tall. But whenever we see them, they're always crouching. I don't think we've seen an Alien stand fully upright, legs straight. Even Kane's Son was crouching most of the time.
I'd like to point out Kanes son was indeed 8 or 9 feet tall.
However I doubt any following aliens were that tall. The man who played Kane's son was indeed 7'2" with the added 9 or 10 inches the alien head gave him he was roughly eight foot tall.
All later aliens seemed much shorter ( and less stronger. ) then Kanes son , I believe someone said the offical height of aliens was 2 meters that equals 6ft8.
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Kevin Peter Hall was 7'2" - 7'3" , with the Predator shoes and the little bit of the head that he couldn't fit into the Predator was around seven foot eight.
Just to note Both the man who played Kanes son and Kevin Peter Hall are both OVER the offical heights of both creatures.
Alien offical height - 2 meters or six foot eight. ( Kanes son was eight foot tall. )
Predator offical height - 7 foot tall. ( the first predator was over seven foot , close to eight foot. )
Okay bye.
Oh to make another point - I doubt aliens are a ton.
TON equals 2,000 lbs or 2,500 lbs.
The alien seems lightweight ( with all the jumping it does. ) and seems thin.
For weight I'd say - Aliens - 300 - 400 lbs. Predators - 350 - 450bls.
Quote from: The PredBen on Sep 02, 2009, 08:36:48 PM
Alien offical height - 2 meters or six foot eight. ( Kanes son was eight foot tall. )
Predator offical height - 7 foot tall. ( the first predator was over seven foot , close to eight foot. )
Just to clarify, the Alien's official height IS eight feet. When I said two meters I thought a meter was four feet instead of whatever the Hell it actually is, even though I checked with my (horrible) Math teacher on the subject.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 01, 2009, 11:19:46 PM
Quote from: Xhan on Sep 01, 2009, 09:18:23 PM
Find me a Star Trek alien that bears even a remote resemblance to the Predator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirogen
Yup, I agree with that parallel. But that came
long after the Predator. The post you quoted was in reference to SpaceMarine claiming the Predator was a cheap Star Trek-style alien.[/quote]
Alright, I lied about not coming back. I don't want to start up this whole debate again, so cool it. I never said it was a
cheap Star Trek alien, I said it looked like a
high budget Star Trek alien. And I was also not saying that they copied Star Trek. They just look similar is all.
(Damn it, that quote thing isn't working right.)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 02, 2009, 01:34:34 AM
QuoteAnd, take the distance between the Predator and Arnie's feet, and you get around six feet
But that's not the way you measure it, when they make broad jumps on the Olympics they are also measuring how far they managed to jump with whatever they land first, in this case, its Arnold's head.
Actually, I do long jump, and they don't measure from what hits the ground first; they measure from the furthest back part of you that lands. If you land and then fall backwards, your f**ked.
Ripley tells Andrews an Alien is 8 feet tall. She's the resident expert.
Here endeth the debate.
How long have you been waiting to pull out that ace?
Dunno why no one else has yet.
(Maybe cos it happened during one of them boring talky bits with no gunz or splosionz).
;D
I was hoping that no one would've referenced it. I kinda' liked what was going on in here.
Sorry. It had to stop. ;D
Party pooper.
Yeah, it was fun watching people argue over the supposed height, weight, and strength of fictional movie monsters. Although I was involved in a similar debate a week or so ago, so I shouldn't criticize. ::)
Coulda sworn that was the point of thread...
Yeah, your right. I like your Hobbes picture, by the way. Good to see another fan out there.
Thanks :)
I love Aliens to because:
-They are fast
-They are powerful in numbers
-They are fearsome
-They are also awesome! 8)
ALIEN! they are a weapon all themselves and are natural survivors in almost any environment!
Alien all the way, cuz predators rely too much on technology, aliens rely on their instincts
Hell yeah! Because having brains to make such amazing weaponry is way too overrated! Go aliens and their instinct!
But they don't have the brains to tell them not to f**k with Arnie.
haha...Imagine what he would do to the Alien.
yeah predators do get a head of themselves and let their guard down! its been shown in the 2 predator movies! ;D
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 13, 2009, 10:08:56 PM
haha...Imagine what he would do to the Alien.
Give it a quick dinner? I don't know what you're trying to prove.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 13, 2009, 09:44:21 PM
Hell yeah! Because having brains to make such amazing weaponry is way too overrated! Go aliens and their instinct!
:D
Yeah, who needs brains when you got instinct.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 13, 2009, 10:08:56 PM
haha...Imagine what he would do to the Alien.
Pretty much zilch.
The Predator's arrogance and love for the hunt is ultimately what led it to its death. Either creature going at full tilt would mangle him beyond repair.
its their down fall everytime. their weakness!
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 15, 2009, 11:04:58 AM
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 13, 2009, 10:08:56 PM
haha...Imagine what he would do to the Alien.
Pretty much zilch.
I disagree. I believe Dutch would kill the Alien with no problem.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 15, 2009, 11:04:58 AM
The Predator's arrogance and love for the hunt is ultimately what led it to its death.
Yeah, the Predator is one prideful creature.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 15, 2009, 11:04:58 AM
Either creature going at full tilt would mangle him beyond repair.
I've seen a Predator going balls to the wall against armed humans. Not so much with a lone alien. What does that look like?
A lot of dead humans.
In ALIENS, the pulse rifles had 10mm, explosive, armour-piercing ammo. Unless at point blank, the comparitively primitive weapons Dutch and co. used wouldn't be so useful. Not to mention that dense terrain with excess cover is the kind of environment that the Alien thrives in, since its angle of attack can never be determined until the last second.
Much like the Predator, it would've picked them off one by one. Except, instead of holding back for the sake of a good fight, it would've simply killed Dutch instantly at the end.
Everything is pretty much set in the Alien's favour, because the Predator and Alien essentially share most of their tactics and we saw how the terrain favoured the Predator.
Be the thunderbolt that strikes from a clear sky - despite the fact that you could easily destroy your enemies in a straight-up fight. That's the common link between the creatures this forum's dedicated to.
In fact, the Alien's lack of pride probably makes it a more effective predator at the end of the day, using the term literally.
I think modern-day weaponry would be able to kill an Alien. Ever heard of .50 calibre?
I never understand why Predator's "relying" on their technology makes them lesser than the Alien..
Just a random thought I'd put out there.
As a species I would totally go with Alien no doubt hive mind kicks ass, they're like an army of ninjas silently sliding through the shadows. but on an individual level predator all the way, the mask alone would be worth it
Quote from: The Demon on Sep 16, 2009, 12:38:19 AM
I never understand why Predator's "relying" on their technology makes them lesser than the Alien..
Just a random thought I'd put out there.
Me neither.
Quote from: The Demon on Sep 16, 2009, 12:38:19 AM
I never understand why Predator's "relying" on their technology makes them lesser than the Alien..
Just a random thought I'd put out there.
Because Alien fans need something to wank over.
That help?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 15, 2009, 11:15:48 PM
I think modern-day weaponry would be able to kill an Alien. Ever heard of .50 calibre?
Even enough 5.56 NATO rounds would probably put down an Alien, but the thing about the pulse rifle isn't the size of the rounds or the muzzle velocity - it's that they're both designed for piercing armour and explosive. In
ALIENS, we saw Aliens shrugging off 9mm rounds to the head at pretty close range.
The other thing about the Alien replacing the Predator in that situation is this:
It could simply wait until nightfall and slaughter them all silently. Since it's not interested in the hunt itself, it's free to use any and every measure to achieve victory.
Quote from: The Demon on Sep 16, 2009, 12:38:19 AM
I never understand why Predator's "relying" on their technology makes them lesser than the Alien..
Just a random thought I'd put out there.
It doesn't make them "lesser". But there's no way an unarmed Predator is going to take out an Alien, as the Alien's combination of natural weapons, a hard exoskeleton and acid blood render the Predator's immense strength pretty ineffective. Predators need their technology to take on Aliens, and most of it - the fairly balanced match-up between Alien and Predator is what makes the conflict this franchise is based upon so interesting in part.
Quote from: wolfboy22 on Sep 16, 2009, 02:32:43 AM
Quote from: The Demon on Sep 16, 2009, 12:38:19 AM
I never understand why Predator's "relying" on their technology makes them lesser than the Alien..
Just a random thought I'd put out there.
Me neither.
Try living your ass in the Serengeti for a month with absolutely nothing, then get back to us, if you're still alive.
Technology is only an advantage as long as a platform to support the usage of that technology exists.
Nekkid Alien > nekkid Predator every time.
Unless you're a Pred fanboy.
Or unless you're Dachande. :D
Quote from: The Demon on Sep 16, 2009, 12:38:19 AM
I never understand why Predator's "relying" on their technology makes them lesser than the Alien..
Just a random thought I'd put out there.
its their down fall everytime!
I love both franchises, so it's not an easy decision, but I'll vote for Alien because of it's fascinating design and sexual overtones, which I always found intriguing.
Edit: Whaaaa? The predator is winning? Didn't expect those results.
neither did I ? the major theme here is mostly alien! i do like them both too but mostly alien is what works for me cause their the ultimate weapon!
id say Alien because the design is much more scarier than Pred. and Alien is a killer that kills things on site (not always due to impregnating ) , while the Pred. only hunts for sport.....
QuoteUnless you're a Pred fanboy.
In which case it'd be every time and twice on Sundays.
yea an alien will kill a poor child scared in the dark while a predator hunts only the toughest.I like that predators have mercy and intelligence the single technology thing i like at them is cloaking.In rest wristblades a netgun a speargun and a disc is enough for eliminating a threat or alien hive like in avp.(i mean a predator party)Also i like theyre self destruct mode.Aliens are awesome but man they arent ultimate weapon lol.They where always eliminated in one way or another.A hive by 3 preds(and a human)a queen by Ripley.And a hive by wolf.Ok the nuke at the end destroy them but a lot of aliens whre killed by wolf and humans.But wolf was alone and hunted humans also whyle he destroyed the mess that was created in colorado.Predators dont scare you first time only when they come and take your head.And that crrrr sound is so creepy.Ok aliens are absolute horror.Predators stalk you and creep u out before too finish u.
I solute your passion.
Predator. Period
Quote from: Tank on Sep 22, 2009, 04:43:07 AM
Predator. Period
Why? I gave reasons for why I liked the alien more, could you give some for the predator? Just curious.
1.honor
2.they kil only ppl with weapons
3.Cloaking
4.simple weapons despite theyre huge tech:wristblades,combistick,netgun,speargun,remote bombs.They have huge plasma capabilities but they preffer simple weapons so awesome.
5.Shoulder cannon and that red eye ;)(i dont spamm it just that i like it)
6.The disc same as shoulder cannon 1 shot per target
7.The way they take trophies
8.Theyre clan style life.
9.They have inteligence
Aliens are intelligent
Erm... both? They're equally bad-ass in different ways!
Quote from: Celtic_Hunter on Sep 23, 2009, 05:30:05 PM
1.honor
2.they kil only ppl with weapons
3.Cloaking
4.simple weapons despite theyre huge tech:wristblades,combistick,netgun,speargun,remote bombs.They have huge plasma capabilities but they preffer simple weapons so awesome.
5.Shoulder cannon and that red eye ;)(i dont spamm it just that i like it)
6.The disc same as shoulder cannon 1 shot per target
7.The way they take trophies
8.Theyre clan style life.
9.They have inteligence
Some pretty good reasons. Didn't change my mind though...
Why do you think he was trying?
Gill? pred.I know only celtic,chopper,scar,wolf,jungle hunter,city hunter and scar face.I like chooper and celtic ^^ and wolf.Wish we have mauls in avp3 ^^.Aliens are also intelligent but the queen gives them orders sow she is the brain.Drones are the single ones that are inteligent the rest just zombies of queen ^^.Still i like more preds even if aliens are also badass u gotta love theyre tails ^^
We don't know how Alien psychology works.
Individual Aliens have shown a powerful capacity to work without a Queen, however.
So have groups of them. The Queen "controlling" them is pretty unfounded in the movies - The most she's ever done is to say "Back off" or "Come here."
Gill=Chopper
a ok.Still i wish mauls from chopper come or combistick comes back.Wristblades are light meele even with extended range.Amore heavier slower mofo meele weapon could come ^^.Alien looks badass in that new gameplay still i like preds ^^.Headbite looks nice and HUD also.Aliens are capable too think alone but they tend too go mindless in groups thinking on numbers.A lone aliens seems too think and react inteligently.While a group of them mostly the queen says attack!!!!!swarm them!!.
Just curious, but is English your first language?
His profile says he's living in Romania. I think it's safe to say English is not his first language.
That explains everything.
Oh heh yes i live in romania.I am the best in english at my school and im class 7 ^^.I know very well english well its a language i really need cause no other country knows romanian :D.Even sow my english aint that good :D or is it?.Cant wait for an alien official gameplay and an new predator one(more weapons :D).
i would like to be the predator because they have advanced weapons and they are less gory than aliens, :)
Because ripping a victim's spine and skull out of a body is nothing compared to an alien's headbite, right? ;)
I would have to say that the gore is on par.
I think it's safe to rate that aliens and predators are nothing alike.
The Lion - Smart for an animal , stealthy the natural killer with natural weapons.
Human Bodybuilder - Very smart as he's sentinent , skilled in fighting with fists and weapons.
Who's better?
Well if a 8 foot Lion that weights 450 lbs vs a 6 foot 6 man who weights 300 lbs with machete and a gun.
i'd say the man.
Unless the lion gets the jump on him, which is what the Alien tries to do.
You're also ignoring that this lion understands the importance of the hunter's equipment and has a basic grasp on victim psychology.
Machete and a Gun ≠ Wristblades and Shoulder Cannon. :D
Well, clearly the comparison was brought down to human level on both accounts.
I was just pointing out that it was a bad comparrison. It isn't hard for a man to kill a Lion at all with a gun, and a gun sure ain't a shoulder cannon, meaning it'd be even easier. It is (or should be (take note AVPR)) hard for a Predator to take out an Alien, as it's strength and speed are negated by the Aliens, leaving it's only advantage being its tech. I say 'only', but it's tech is a fair advantage if used correctly.
A better example for me would be more a Great White Shark (Alien) versus a man, with some serious weaponry and armour (Predator), in the sea (hive, spaceship, possibly jungle?). The guy could do it, but he's severely disadvantaged.
BTW I'm thinking about this in terms of a confined space as obviously in an open one the Predator will always win (assuming it has a SC).
I mean, the comparison was on a human level for both sides.
A gun is sure as hell less potent than a shoulder cannon, yes, but an Alien is a much tougher adversary than a lion, too. Which is why it basically adds up.
Meh, I just hate seeing Alien=Lion Predator=dude with gun. Never seen the comparrison working on that level myself.
I agree, really. It works on a shallow level, but it's a gross oversimplification of the bloody battles that this franchise does so well.
Quote from: Aeus on Oct 17, 2009, 12:16:46 AM
BTW I'm thinking about this in terms of a confined space as obviously in an open one the Predator will always win (assuming it has a SC).
Not necessarily. We've seen Aliens dodge plasma bolts in the past.
And pistol rounds in A:R.
Exactly. Aliens can make any field an even one.
Preds all the way
i like the way they look and the way they kill
aliens are still cool just not as cool as predators
also there wepons are really high tech which is cool
Quote from: predatormegafan on Oct 18, 2009, 11:36:57 PM
aliens are still cool just not as cool as predators
haha, aint that the truth. :D
I like Predators because,
I like how they cure them self and they just don't Care about the pain they just do it.
I think skulls and bones make good trophies for a Predator they must really like them.
I just love Predators so much I kinda want them to be Real but I also kinda don't want them to be not real if you know what I mean.
Ha all I just have come up with something.
What if the Predators have pets like big Predator looking dogs or something like a horse sort of thing that the Predators ride.
And with the dogs they could train them to jump on the victim wile the Predator gets out his or hers weapon to kill the Alien,human or something Alienish ???
I've been a Predator fan ever since I was 5 or 6. It's only been the last couple of years that I've taken real interested in Alien, so going on that terminology, I'm going to have to say Predator.
I would have to say Alien. They have a unique, and amazing design, and an cool life cycle. And, the Alien Queen never ceases to amaze me ;D
Still, the Predators are cool - Especialy their designs :]
I say preds cause 1. awesome looking 2. can take on multiple aliens 3. as long as i dont piss it off its on my side
Quote from: Asian Assassin on Oct 30, 2009, 03:20:02 AM
2. can take on multiple aliens 3. as long as i dont piss it off its on my side
o rly.
yeah ok maybe not all preds can take on multiple aliens but im pretty sure if i show respect to it, it wont kill me (like lex)
Throw down your weapons and curl into a fetal position, and it'll leave you alone. Otherwise, its taking your skull and spine. It's never on anyone's side but its own.
but what about scar and lex they seemed to had a team thing
I think he just saw he had a better chance of getting the f**k out of Dodge if he had some help. I didn't really like that part of the movie. It was a bit... hokey. But, that scene was still better than the entirety of the sequel.
be funny if scar lives and took lex's skull as soon as the queen drowns
That was exactly what I was thinking.
Soooooo off topic, but I couldn't help it: SpaceMarines!! Your "stop chat language" thing in your signature dosn't have an apostrophe in "don't"...as someone who can't type for trash, I found that rather hallarious ;D
But anyway, I'm torn between Predators and Aliens(thats what happens when you start as an AvP fan and work back instead of starting as an Alien or Predator fan and going forward). If I HAD to pick one, I think I prefer Alien...not sure though.
Quote from: megachu17 on Oct 31, 2009, 02:10:31 AM
Soooooo off topic, but I couldn't help it: SpaceMarines!! Your "stop chat language" thing in your signature dosn't have an asterisk in "don't"...as someone who can't type for trash, I found that rather hallarious ;D
Ha ha ha! I didn't notice that until you mentioned it. Well, I'm not the one who made it, so it ain't my fault. How ironic. ;D
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Oct 30, 2009, 03:52:29 AM
I think he just saw he had a better chance of getting the f**k out of Dodge if he had some help. I didn't really like that part of the movie. It was a bit... hokey. But, that scene was still better than the entirety of the sequel.
Hokey? More like "implying interspecies erotica".
Yes. I said it.
Don't give Fox any ideas.
I choose predators because ive always liked the predator since the first movie came out to the last movie AVP R. im working on a home made predator costume right now.
ive made the mask, shoulder pads, and now im working on the awsome wrist blades.
reply back :)
Aliens by far they are just so cool heres some reasons why. ;)
1. They are vey stealthy
2. they look cool crawling and everything.
3. they climb anywhere they want.
4. they have a sweet stealth kill.
5. My brother likes predator and i dont like anything he likes except for food and since i like alien i can slautter him all over the map 8)
6. overall i just like aliens more thats all ican think of for now.
Im in the middle of making a sweet ALIEN costume that will be better than my brothers by far!! ;D
close. goes to show what a great match they make. thank you dark horse.
Quote from: Wolf Master74 on Nov 07, 2009, 05:23:33 AM
I choose predators because ive always liked the predator since the first movie came out to the last movie AVP R. im working on a home made predator costume right now.
ive made the mask, shoulder pads, and now im working on the awsome wrist blades.
reply back :)
whts gonna be on this costume make a list and if questions ask someone here im sure someone will help
not me i dont know crap about preds. ;D
I believe I answered this a good while back but hell I'll do it again. Predator, because he's just plain old fashioned one hundred percent bad ass. I do like me some Aliens to though.
ALIEN 110% Because of their stealth, How they kill, they dont use fancy lasers and spears, that lil tounge pop out mouth thingy is badass. and also in AvP two predators got there asses kicked by a pack of aliens. they had those plasma cannons and all those gismos and lost to them. pretty sad so im with those serpents of the shadows.
Scar was the only one who had the cannon. He didn't get it untill Gill and Celtic died.
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 26, 2009, 03:17:42 AM
Scar was the only one who had the cannon. He didn't get it untill Gill and Celtic died.
True but the Aliens didnt have cannons....but the predators had the Shrieken and spear and dual hand blades...but yea your right they didnt have the cannons sorry for my error
Not a big deal. They still got their asses handed to them.
Yea
PREDATORS! They are just to BAD ASS!
Predators do have the upperhand for newer and better technology
Oh please, we all know preds have the upper hand in everything, you alien fanboys just don't want to admit it. ::)
You know, there was a thread for that... fun times. :)
But then the whole way aliens work is pretty cool too.
Predators don,t need their plasma caster to kill an alien. Although I will admit the need some kind of weapon.
It's certainly much less of a gamble if he's got a caster.
And Boots Of Escaping.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 02, 2009, 12:07:38 AM
It's certainly much less of a gamble if he's got a caster.
Definitely true.
After seeing the Pred from P1 take down Arny in a fist fight and then take a log to the head like a champ and laugh as he lay dying, then witnessing the pred in P2 take several shotgun blasts to the torso and still manage to get up and continue the fight, I decided I'm a pred guy.. Sure aliens can get limbs chopped off and keep going, but thats cause they're too stupid to feel pain.. Preds just shrug it off. On top of that, the music from P2 as the pred approaches King Willie and when you first see the skull collection, awesome. My biggest problem with preds is that in recent media (primarily the movies), they've become less badass; in AVP, the first two preds got killed off like nothing; sure the celtic/heavy/alpha pred put up a fight but the xeno manaed to tackle and pin him, and the pred just TOOK the headbite... Scar managed to kill a few xenos, but most of those were with the plasmacaster, an auto aiming weapon, where's the honor? Then there was AVPR... I like how the one predalien managed to take down the entire ship.. Yes, they were caught off gaurd, but they're expert hunters, and there was an elder aboard, what happened there? Plus Wolf, who's supposed to be super badass was completely unaware of his surrounding most of the time and could have died on multiple occasion had the aliens just 'tailed' him... When I thin of preds, I think of the lone pred infiltrating an alien colony, killing everything in his path in search of the alien queen, the ultimate prey.. Aliens to me, have been strength in numbers.. In fact, look at starcraft, the basis for that was just AVP: The few but powerful protoss/preds, the infinite swarm zerg/xeno and the ones caught in the eye of the storm, the terrans/space marines/humans. In fact, if you watch the alien movies again, there's a trend... Defenless humans = 1 alien, armed and ready humans = lots of aliens. Unless of course you count AVP/AVPR....
A few points.
Aliens aren't dumb. Their intelligence is a matter of high contention here, but it's generally accepted that they're "pretty clever", in the words of James Cameron.
The basis for Starcraft was Warhammer 40,000.
As for Alien numbers, in ALIENS, there were four Marines left after the first battle. Out of fourteen. And they fought between two and ten Aliens in that battle. In ALIEN: Resurrection, almost fifty armed soldiers evacuated the vessel because six Aliens escaped. Even with a gun, your average military punter isn't really a match for a Xenomorph.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 03, 2009, 12:26:31 AM
A few points.
Aliens aren't dumb. Their intelligence is a matter of high contention here, but it's generally accepted that they're "pretty clever", in the words of James Cameron.
The basis for Starcraft was Warhammer 40,000.
As for Alien numbers, in ALIENS, there were four Marines left after the first battle. Out of fourteen. And they fought between two and ten Aliens in that battle. In ALIEN: Resurrection, almost fifty armed soldiers evacuated the vessel because six Aliens escaped. Even with a gun, your average military punter isn't really a match for a Xenomorph.
Amen, brotha'.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 03, 2009, 12:26:31 AM
The basis for Starcraft was Warhammer 40,000.
I don't doubt that, but playing the game shows you it
reeks of Aliens.
It reeks of Warhammer 40,000 even more.
The 'Zerg' are based off the 'Tyranids' of WH40k, which are a space-faring race of biomechanical aliens that consume their slain enemies and take advantage of their genetic data. Tyranids are famous for both their overwhelming planetary assaults and their ability to get close undetected, not to mention their unsurpassed ferocity in hand-to-hand combat.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fingeneri.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F02%2Ftyranid.jpg&hash=60a840684ccd82f8d52e22a662a448e9b36395d1)
I guess. But whenever I look at a Hydralisk, I think "Alien Warrior".
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fantasyshop.gr%2Fgallery%2F40k-tyranid-ravener.gif&hash=5db7a1bb1eeb5dc75fd32a4e27206aac949d7e97)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 03, 2009, 04:37:01 AM
I guess. But whenever I look at a Hydralisk, I think "Alien Warrior".
I think "AAAAHHH!!! RUN!"
Wonder where Warhammer 40K drew it's inspiration from...
= Space Hulk = Aliens.
Quote from: SM on Dec 03, 2009, 05:00:51 AM
Wonder where Warhammer 40K drew it's inspiration from...
Sure, but the point is the Starcraft is a direct result of WH40k. Apparently it was actually meant to be a WH40k game, but Games Workshop (owners of the IP) cut support and they had to come up with new concepts for existing units and gameplay mechanics.
Quote from: dread7154 on Dec 02, 2009, 07:37:31 PM
After seeing the Pred from P1 take down Arny in a fist fight and then take a log to the head like a champ and laugh as he lay dying, then witnessing the pred in P2 take several shotgun blasts to the torso and still manage to get up and continue the fight, I decided I'm a pred guy.. Sure aliens can get limbs chopped off and keep going, but thats cause they're too stupid to feel pain.. Preds just shrug it off. On top of that, the music from P2 as the pred approaches King Willie and when you first see the skull collection, awesome. My biggest problem with preds is that in recent media (primarily the movies), they've become less badass; in AVP, the first two preds got killed off like nothing; sure the celtic/heavy/alpha pred put up a fight but the xeno manaed to tackle and pin him, and the pred just TOOK the headbite... Scar managed to kill a few xenos, but most of those were with the plasmacaster, an auto aiming weapon, where's the honor? Then there was AVPR... I like how the one predalien managed to take down the entire ship.. Yes, they were caught off gaurd, but they're expert hunters, and there was an elder aboard, what happened there? Plus Wolf, who's supposed to be super badass was completely unaware of his surrounding most of the time and could have died on multiple occasion had the aliens just 'tailed' him... When I thin of preds, I think of the lone pred infiltrating an alien colony, killing everything in his path in search of the alien queen, the ultimate prey.. Aliens to me, have been strength in numbers.. In fact, look at starcraft, the basis for that was just AVP: The few but powerful protoss/preds, the infinite swarm zerg/xeno and the ones caught in the eye of the storm, the terrans/space marines/humans. In fact, if you watch the alien movies again, there's a trend... Defenless humans = 1 alien, armed and ready humans = lots of aliens. Unless of course you count AVP/AVPR....
I dont understand it, why so many people like this "pred kicking alien ass" thing?. In my opinion the funny stuff are the balanced battles, those that make you think: "who is gonna win? pred? xeno? ou ou ou... i cant stand the tension!". I think that
one alien can perfectly take down a well armed pred (shoulder canon, speargun...whatever) but...then again, my opinion "One man's meat is another man's poison".
Aliens!
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Dec 03, 2009, 03:56:05 AM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 03, 2009, 12:26:31 AM
A few points.
Aliens aren't dumb. Their intelligence is a matter of high contention here, but it's generally accepted that they're "pretty clever", in the words of James Cameron.
The basis for Starcraft was Warhammer 40,000.
As for Alien numbers, in ALIENS, there were four Marines left after the first battle. Out of fourteen. And they fought between two and ten Aliens in that battle. In ALIEN: Resurrection, almost fifty armed soldiers evacuated the vessel because six Aliens escaped. Even with a gun, your average military punter isn't really a match for a Xenomorph.
Amen, brotha'.
Indeed. Which is why I prefer Aliens to Predators.
Aliens are stronger in melee combat. Why? Because they don't
need weapons, they have their amazing strength and speed, not to mention bloodlust ferocity and aggression. Sure Predators are more intelligent, but Aliens are more animalistic, and sometimes that's all you need, especially if you're a 7' / 300 lb carnivorous biomechanical nightmare from the depths of space hell.
i go with preds because they have standereds. they don't kill children or pregnant women. aliens are just indiscriminate killers. not much personality.
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Dec 11, 2009, 07:30:28 PM
i go with preds because they have standereds. they don't kill children or pregnant women. aliens are just indiscriminate killers. not much personality.
totally agreed.
That's what's interesting about them. They're cold. They're intelligent. They're efficient. They're lethal. They also aren't completely indiscriminate. Sometimes they let people live. Granted, it's so that they can be facehugged later, but they still let them live.
When did an Alien ever let someone live?
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Dec 11, 2009, 07:30:28 PM
... they don't kill children...
They don't kill children with toy guns. I'm sure P2 wouldn't have thought twice about killing the kid in the movie if the gun was real.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 12, 2009, 12:52:36 AM
When did an Alien ever let someone live?
Well, not so much let them live as kept them alive to be facehugged. But it still counts!
So it let them live only to be face raped and die a horrible death.
Yeah, kind of like how a spider might keep you alive only for it to suck your fluids out later.
:P
It still counts as letting you live.
Oh, I know!
*gives crazy eyes*
Sure it counts ya ::)
Can't vote for one over the other, I love them both equally as they both have their own interesting aspects.
Damn you and your neutrality ;D
Being unbiased, he is clearly not a fan of either ALIEN or Predator. Ergo, he is a fan of AvP.
Get 'im, boys!
Aliens.
Hordes and hordes of xenomorph terror.....
;)
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 14, 2009, 12:59:37 AM
Being unbiased, he is clearly not a fan of either ALIEN or Predator. Ergo, he is a fan of AvP.
Get 'im, boys!
Grab the torches while I get the pitchforks!
i know where he lives. THIS WAY!
This site got a whole load of Alien fanboys in the past few months, judging by the poll.
Don't worry RidgeTop. I'll join you.
The People for the Recognition of Equal Badassery for Xenomorph and Yautjia must unite!
Donations will be accepted. (Snickers)
*breaks baseball bat over TheMonolith's head*
GEEK BRAWL!
*repeatedly kicks TheMonolith as he writhes on the ground in pain*
I think the correct term is 'geek' brawl, but -
*gets kicked in groin*
Gnnnnnnn....
*collapses*
Fine, I'll edit it.
*dodges swung chair*
*Spits out several teeth.*
You should take a stress pill Dave.
*Gets kicked in the head causing delirium*
Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do.
:D I love watching people fight on a forum!
I'm half crazy, all for the love of you!
*dodges another chair, picks up brick, throws it at TheMonolith*
*Gets hit by brick.*
It won't be a stylish marrage. I can't afford a carrage. But you'll look sweet, upon the seat of a bicycle built for...
*Fallls backwards*
...two.
I've defeated him! I've won! I've won! I've... OOMMPH!
*gets hit over head by guitar*
*throws down guitar, cups balls*
Alright! Now that's a real guitar, I'm a real geek, and this is a real fu#king post!
It's over!
*waddles slowly over to chair, equips bag of frozen peas*
Ahhhhh....
:( Thats something I didn't want to see.
Alright all you damn geeks, get back on topic! ;)
The decision is very difficult. Let me think.
Aliens - the mystical idea of death. Looking into the eyes of infinity. The final question to the god.
Predators - a challenge to destiny. The challenge thrown in the face of death. Pride, honor and courage. Absolute fight to the end.
If the Aliens are the question, the Predators are the answer. The last piece of the puzzle of miracle play of life..
And I like the answers. So - Predators. Absolutely, though not without hesitation.
Spoiler
Aliens look better as a trophy on the trophy-wall.... ;)
"Looking into the eyes of infinity".
ALIEN concept album, here I come...
Predator, indeed. Although, I'd like to be an alien at night.. and very much :)
tough chose but i have several reasons why to pick aliens for me.
-I grew up with these monsters when i was a child (would watch the movies over and over) but i watch aliens the most.
-The alien is pure, it doesn't hold back, its ever learning, killing it is dangerous, highly agressive, natural born weapons doesn't need toys to kill. "A perfect life form."
-I came to fear it, and admire it at the sametime.
-intresting desgin and like how it was birth from a nightmare.
-It's reproduction is shocking.
-has alot of potentional to become more then it is at its birth.
- Its senses are amzaning, can sense anything. So you can't hide from it, if it spares you then its not intrested or your not important enough.
-Full of surprises. The predator been doing a bit of the same thing over and again, at least the alien comes in at all angles.
-Acid blood Freaken Awsome. Glowy glow stick blood cool but nowhere near as useful.
-No sense of morality, perfect killing mechine.
wow i think i became one of those nuts who admire the alien and gets eaten lol "Perfect life form." :P
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Dec 16, 2009, 05:52:33 PM
wow i think i became one of those nuts who admire the alien and gets eaten lol "Perfect life form." :P
At least it is a glorious death. :D
Quote from: Undeadite on Dec 16, 2009, 06:14:31 PM
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Dec 16, 2009, 05:52:33 PM
wow i think i became one of those nuts who admire the alien and gets eaten lol "Perfect life form." :P
At least it is a glorious death. :D
lol
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Dec 16, 2009, 05:52:33 PM
wow i think i became one of those nuts who admire the alien and gets eaten lol "Perfect life form." :P
Welcome to the club. ;D
i like preds because they look the scariest creatures in the galaxy right in the face and say "BRING IT
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Dec 16, 2009, 11:11:24 PM
i like preds because they look the scariest creatures in the galaxy right in the face and say "BRING IT
Damn straight, they can get up in aliens face no prob, that takes balls so preds all the way.
I'm a fan of both series. (Alien and Predator not AVP) But a much bigger predator fan.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 16, 2009, 11:06:25 PM
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Dec 16, 2009, 05:52:33 PM
wow i think i became one of those nuts who admire the alien and gets eaten lol "Perfect life form." :P
Welcome to the club. ;D
Yeppee!!!! :D
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Dec 16, 2009, 11:11:24 PM
i like preds because they look the scariest creatures in the galaxy right in the face and say "BRING IT
Yeah, they do that seconds before getting eaten by the Alien.
Bravo, Predator. Bravo.
Looks like someone hit a nerve :D
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Dec 20, 2009, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Dec 16, 2009, 11:11:24 PM
i like preds because they look the scariest creatures in the galaxy right in the face and say "BRING IT
Yeah, they do that seconds before getting eaten by the Alien.
Bravo, Predator. Bravo.
Aliens eat Predators?
Of course. Predators make up the vast majority of the Alien diet. Everyone knows that.
Predator, the way that he hides in high places and waits for the right time to strike, aliens are too much like animals like a lion defending it's family from any threats.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Dec 20, 2009, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Dec 16, 2009, 11:11:24 PM
i like preds because they look the scariest creatures in the galaxy right in the face and say "BRING IT
Yeah, they do that seconds before getting eaten by the Alien.
Bravo, Predator. Bravo.
Say that to Wolf and Scar.
Well, Wolf was the equivalent of me facing a bunch of two-year olds, seeing as the Aliens in that film were retarded. Put him in any other movie from that franchise, his ass would be handed to him. Scar was actually good, though.
So good in fact, he teamed up with a human.
::)
At least he watched his back.
And gave a fully-grown Queen a wound to remember. :D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 22, 2009, 11:26:09 PM
So good in fact, he teamed up with a human.
::)
That was just an act of goodwill!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 22, 2009, 11:26:09 PM
So good in fact, he teamed up with a human.
::)
Okay, other than that, he was pretty damn good.
How?
Never mind, I don't want to get dragged into this.
Well he did cut an Alien's face off without looking at it.
And he ninja-speared the Queen!
Quote from: TJ Doc on Dec 23, 2009, 01:15:38 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 22, 2009, 11:26:09 PM
So good in fact, he teamed up with a human.
::)
That was just an act of goodwill!
Piss poor script-writing too.
how can pred be more scary than alien??
Aliens grow inside you and burst out ya rib cage!! they take you to the hive and cacoon you, they have acid for blood, they dont resemble humans or animals at all, there a true Alien..
Predator is to human, if i wanted to get stabbed i would just walk up my street on a friday night...
Exactly, but this isn't about which creature you think is scarier. This is about which is your favourite. Another thread about which is scarier was made, and the Alien won that, I believe.
For me Predator!
They have high-tech and simple melee weapons combined, and they use it with a code of honour! I like it.. I like everything about them :) :) :)
Yes, it's very honourable to try and blow you and your opponent up when you're defeated.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 21, 2009, 04:34:55 AM
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Dec 20, 2009, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Dec 16, 2009, 11:11:24 PM
i like preds because they look the scariest creatures in the galaxy right in the face and say "BRING IT
Yeah, they do that seconds before getting eaten by the Alien.
Bravo, Predator. Bravo.
Aliens eat Predators?
Hm . . . AeP. A far more accurate title than AvP.
Look at my own Avatar and feel the PRED-POWA! :D
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Dec 23, 2009, 09:08:26 PM
Yes, it's very honourable to try and blow you and your opponent up when you're defeated.
It's not about blowing them up, but making sure that they can't get their weapons and tech. Dutch could avoid being blown to pieces by running!
They can at least admit defeat and face death when they have to.
That doesn't really seem like honour, more like: "Oh yeah? You think you won? Well, eat nuke, motherf**ker!" Why else would Anytime have laughed? That's just how I see them as, though. A bunch of bad-ass motherf**kers. I don't want to get into a debate about it, though.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Dec 24, 2009, 05:15:18 PM
That doesn't really seem like honour, more like: "Oh yeah? You think you won? Well, eat nuke, motherf**ker!" Why else would Anytime have laughed? That's just how I see them as, though. A bunch of bad-ass motherf**kers. I don't want to get into a debate about it, though.
It seemed an interesting debate topic, but as you wish. We dont seem to have the same opinion.
I prefer the Alien.
Guess it's the whole up close and personal style, its design and well, it has something...alien in it. ;)
Now about the rest of the Alien family, the facehugger is something I'd never want on me. :P
Predators are nice too, but they are too...human-like.
Quote from: Ghost Rider LSOV on Dec 25, 2009, 08:29:43 PM
I prefer the Alien.
Guess it's the whole up close and personal style, its design and well, it has something...alien in it. ;)
Now about the rest of the Alien family, the facehugger is something I'd never want on me. :P
Predators are nice too, but they are too...human-like.
Yeah, that's how I feel too.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Dec 25, 2009, 07:13:36 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Dec 24, 2009, 05:15:18 PM
That doesn't really seem like honour, more like: "Oh yeah? You think you won? Well, eat nuke, motherf**ker!" Why else would Anytime have laughed? That's just how I see them as, though. A bunch of bad-ass motherf**kers. I don't want to get into a debate about it, though.
It seemed an interesting debate topic, but as you wish. We dont seem to have the same opinion.
I suppose we could, but I'm going away for several days tomorrow, so it wouldn't work out all that well.
I could hold the fort if you like?
Shit, I'll volunteer. I have enough sheer fanboyism to fill in for ten strong men at arms, each armoured, with a steed, chain and flail in hand.
Let's argue it then! (ignore me if I misunderstood what you guys said :))
About the self destruction, I dont think he laughed at Dutch, it was kinda warning; at least, the pred couldnt be too happy about being defeated a human. Maybe I am wrong about this, but the priority of self destructing is preventing anyone from getting their technology (even dying with honour is secondary) it's for sure.
About the predators being like humans what did you mean, personality or appearance?
In general form, psychology and... being assholes. Predators are startlingly human, although that might be the EU material speaking moreso than the films.
As for Anytime, I believe he detonated because he was a sore loser. The 'honour' argument goes out the window when you remember that he was flinging advanced plasma weaponry at long distances. While invisible. And then when Dutch fights back in earnest, he totally flips out and loses his shit.
It's difficult to argue with the 'destroying his technology' argument, but I think we have to look at the intent of the filmmakers here. They wanted something maniacal. If Anytime was just doing his duty, then why laugh? He should've just laid there and waited for Dutch to get caught in the explosion.
Anytime's a downright bastard - and that's the way Predators should be.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 27, 2009, 12:53:59 AM
In general form, psychology and... being assholes. Predators are startlingly human, although that might be the EU material speaking moreso than the films.
They are more human than Aliens, but not this way you suggest.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 27, 2009, 12:53:59 AM
As for Anytime, I believe he detonated because he was a sore loser. The 'honour' argument goes out the window when you remember that he was flinging advanced plasma weaponry at long distances. While invisible. And then when Dutch fights back in earnest, he totally flips out and loses his shit.
Of course it was "honor argument". If he lose, he has no choice. No surrender, no mercy, no choice. If he challenged his foe to a duel, what else he could do? It's not only question of honor, it's question of principles. And in this way his behaviour is very non-human, therefore it's so hard to understand. Don't try to think about him like about human, it can't work... ;)
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 27, 2009, 12:53:59 AM
It's difficult to argue with the 'destroying his technology' argument, but I think we have to look at the intent of the filmmakers here. They wanted something maniacal. If Anytime was just doing his duty, then why laugh? He should've just laid there and waited for Dutch to get caught in the explosion.
See above. It's Preds behaviour, not human. He has no choice. It's so obvious like harakiri for ancient Japanese. I'm pretty sure that his laugh it was exactly laugh. Preds equivalent of "draw the middle finger" (if you know what I mean). They have them rules and they keep it very strictly. But it's them rules, not us. They play them game, we are just deer in the cross hairs.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 27, 2009, 12:53:59 AM
Anytime's a downright bastard - and that's the way Predators should be.
And yes, he was a bastard. Absolutely bastard. He should be, he could be and he was. Because he's alien hunter. ;)
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 27, 2009, 12:53:59 AM
In general form, psychology and... being assholes. Predators are startlingly human, although that might be the EU material speaking moreso than the films.
As for Anytime, I believe he detonated because he was a sore loser. The 'honour' argument goes out the window when you remember that he was flinging advanced plasma weaponry at long distances. While invisible. And then when Dutch fights back in earnest, he totally flips out and loses his shit.
It's difficult to argue with the 'destroying his technology' argument, but I think we have to look at the intent of the filmmakers here. They wanted something maniacal. If Anytime was just doing his duty, then why laugh? He should've just laid there and waited for Dutch to get caught in the explosion.
Anytime's a downright bastard - and that's the way Predators should be.
Using plasma weaponary doesn't mean dishonour in this case; they have strict rules for what kind of weponary they can use. Against machine guns or so, they can use it (and Blain had a minigun which could easily blow the pred to pieces), but not against a bare handed foe, or weaker enemy (he killed Dillion with wristblades for instance). About the laugh, I mentioned I think about it as a warning. First, just as keylight-di said, you cant think about them as humans, they find things funny or disgusting, which we not. But in this case I think he wanted to scare off Dutch (if not, he could just lay there as you said); not because he felt mercy, but for he felt a bit tribute to his foe, who is weaker than him yet could defeat him. And he had the honour to spare his life.
Keep in mind that the whole 'honour' thing is non-canon. The films themselves don't support it, and many Predator fans consider the honour thing a dilution of what the Predator is supposed to be.
I believe Anytime took off his mask and threw away his plasma caster because Dutch was a thrilling target. That's the bottom line - the thrill of the hunt. Not honour, not proving oneself in combat, not collecting the biggest, baddest trophy rack. What matters to a Predator is what happens out there in the hunting grounds, moment by moment.
The honour thing, I think, is simply mis-interpreted. Look at Pussyface. He wasn't hunting for honour, but I think he was following a strict hunting code Predators have. He's not doing it in a righteous manner but he's just following the rules.
I honestly believe that alien is better than predator. Aliens are far deeper, they are very unique and look better, as they were designed by an amazing artist. The alien films are far superior to the predator films ( alien was far scarier and tense than predator 1 and 2, aliens was a better action film than predator 1 and 2) and in general the sexual motifs of the alien, a metaphor for birth and pregnancy. The egg, a representation of an egg in the womb, but this time it is reversed as the egg impregnates us. Then the agony of birth itself is brought (literally) to life by the chestburster. And finally the beautifully ugly creature itself, the xenomorph feels, especially in alien,alien3 and Resurrection, erotic andcurious to what it is going to kill. the sheer terror of an alien outweighs every aspect of a predator. the predator must use cowardly gadgets to kill where the alien is an ultimate being. the alien is a work of art and the predator is a rasta with a hairdryer with a gun. alien is far better than predator.
P.S: I love predator i love the films and i think he's great but no comparison to alien, thanks for reading this far please reply I'd like to hear your thoughts on what I've said ;)
Quote from: Geraint95 on Dec 27, 2009, 03:43:29 PM
P.S: I love predator i love the films and i think he's great but no comparison to alien, thanks for reading this far please reply I'd like to hear your thoughts on what I've said ;)
Prepare for rage.
Your points are completely legitimate - the Alien indeed has more depth to it, better design and inhabits one of the better sci-fi settings out there. This does not trivialise the Predator at all, but the Alien has probably, overall, gotten the better treatment.
This won't stop Predfans from raging. One of my first posts here was similar and got almost universally poor reception.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 27, 2009, 03:12:24 PM
Keep in mind that the whole 'honour' thing is non-canon. The films themselves don't support it, and many Predator fans consider the honour thing a dilution of what the Predator is supposed to be.
I believe Anytime took off his mask and threw away his plasma caster because Dutch was a thrilling target. That's the bottom line - the thrill of the hunt. Not honour, not proving oneself in combat, not collecting the biggest, baddest trophy rack. What matters to a Predator is what happens out there in the hunting grounds, moment by moment.
Yea, I can agree but partially. ;)
Thrill of the hunt is the most important matter for them, sure. But every game has its rules. If you (and any gamer) don't follow the rules of the game, the game quickly loses meaning. Hunt turns into a slaughterhouse.
One thing of which I write often. IMO Preds must have a very strong regime of behavior. As a carnivore species, probably territorial (rarely hunted in a herd) for self-preservation, they had to develop a system of rules. And they must comply with them. Otherwise, very soon there would be a destruction of the species. Aliens are completely different. They act as one body, composed of the elements which are only slightly individualized. Preds are the opposite. It is also extremely aggressive species, but extremely individualistic. Therefore, they hunt alone- to reduce competition. They are like eagles and cheetahs, not like lions or wolves. Of course, this analogy is very remote. But you probably know what I mean. As the Preds are predatory, aggressive species, in spite of this they created civilization (do not deny it, right?). So they had to work out a way interaction between individuals, which reduces competition and aggression. That thing is the concept of honor.
Probably the "honor" it is not even a good word, because it is confusing. But often it's used. In this sense the honor is refer to representatives of their own species, and - of course - the preys. The point is that the game is fun then (thrill respectively strong), if they observe the rules. Not a slaughterhouse, but the sport ground. It's what apply to us (preys), the concept of them honor. Hunting code. It's better word.
Sure, the term "honorary hunting" and all that mess comes from books and P2. But this makes sense. Rules of behavior, the sociology of groups and individuals is just as universal law as the law of universal gravitation.
At the same time as alien Preds put before a sociologist (exo-sociologist) a double challenge. Error in logic arises when we attach to aliens behavior we apply humans measure . And they are aliens ... ;)
So, your point is basically that the Predators use their 'code of honour' as a law system to prevent excess and conflict?
Because that's a very interesting thought.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 27, 2009, 04:01:09 PM
So, your point is basically that the Predators use their 'code of honour' as a law system to prevent excess and conflict?
Because that's a very interesting thought.
Of course.
I am a home-made philosopher and sociologist. ;) By training I'm a biologist.
BTW I have no intention of Geraint95 rage, because he is right. So why? ;D
Why would there be a rage, its just a debate, but a very interesting one :)
Predators are creatures that are bound by rules, that cannot be broken, or if they are, the lawbreaker will be punished in a very brutal way. But I dont see, why would using gadgets mean cowardiance? They cannot, and will not use them just as they want to, and one more thing; we look from our perspective. If you observe the hunt as a path or something non changeable, its quite different.
I think the pred fights without its mask and shoulder canon, because Dutch is a thrilling target, Just as you said. But the thing that it throws away the mask and weapon is because of this one thing. By fighting Dutch only with blades can it prove itself, and be a "worthier" hunter and part of the civilization mentioned ahead.
The thing is, there's little that's 'worthy' about killing someone so much weaker than you anyway. Dutch was just being toyed with.
In the case of AvP material you have a point, as Aliens are foes that can match a Predator, but Dutch was so much weaker and slower than the Predator. The only reason he survived was because Anytime was playing with him and wasn't really serious about killing him.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 28, 2009, 01:09:43 AM
The thing is, there's little that's 'worthy' about killing someone so much weaker than you anyway. Dutch was just being toyed with.
In the case of AvP material you have a point, as Aliens are foes that can match a Predator, but Dutch was so much weaker and slower than the Predator. The only reason he survived was because Anytime was playing with him and wasn't really serious about killing him.
he just got lucky. i think the pred just really wonted to drag it out because he broke his stuff, and wanted him to suffer. i'm only half serious about that last part. but just smacking him around doesn't seem like he considered him a wearthy adversary. if e did he would have tried a lot harder to kill him faster.
oh despite what this post says i am pro pred on this topic. i just had to bring up my opinion on this.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 28, 2009, 01:09:43 AM
The thing is, there's little that's 'worthy' about killing someone so much weaker than you anyway. Dutch was just being toyed with.
In the case of AvP material you have a point, as Aliens are foes that can match a Predator, but Dutch was so much weaker and slower than the Predator. The only reason he survived was because Anytime was playing with him and wasn't really serious about killing him.
Dutch was weaker, but he led the Predator along. He managed to damage Anytime's equipment and for a time, he evaded Anytime rather nicely.
Certainly. That doesn't change Anytime's perspective on the matter, though.
Sure it does. If you consider yourself the Ultimate Hunter yet face a prey that manages to give you a run for your money, you'll take it more seriously to the point where you consider it worthy.
Still just a play thing, though. Not a worthy opponent.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 28, 2009, 01:09:43 AM
The thing is, there's little that's 'worthy' about killing someone so much weaker than you anyway. Dutch was just being toyed with.
In the case of AvP material you have a point, as Aliens are foes that can match a Predator, but Dutch was so much weaker and slower than the Predator. The only reason he survived was because Anytime was playing with him and wasn't really serious about killing him.
I think from the hunter's perspective Dutch was worth killing. The pred didn't see any of the humans equal to himself, but in human category Dutch was a uniqe warrior. And during this hunt (which was for humans) the 'dangerous' part was when they had their weapons with which they could harm the hunter. In the end the pred (nevertheless Dutch was squarely a formidable foe without firearms) thought he won, and just as you said, he met his end because of this. But I think it doesn't make Dutch worthless to kill, so the pred really wanted to kill him. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It is hard to tell if there's a point here. It's about the concept of hunting, and if it holds a meaning (And ss it was mentioned before, their way of thinking is much more different than ours).
i feel bad that these topics exist. i mean before aliens and predators where brought together everyone was just a fan of aliens and predators. different movies and ideas that made them great. now that it's aliens vs predator everyone feels the need to choose. i love them both but i found myself choosing pred and bad mouthing aliens in a way. i looked back at that and feels like i had was part of some kind of skinhead brain washing. i don't hate aliens but my post made it seem like i did. even my last post i had to point out i was for preds when we where just talking about the the dutch vs anytime fight. i'm sorry for that alien fans.
I remember that I used to feel a lot of hostility towards Preds because of how bad the vehement fanboyism for them was on Planet AvP.
The first - Dutch wasn't toyed. He was found as an equal opponent, who proved in a previous fight his value. It was not fun, even though we've seen. If he wasn't equal, there weren't any duel. Dutch challenged Anytime, Anytime accepted the challenge. It wasn't hunting, it was duel. And it was very seriously. True hand-to-hand combat.
The second - if hunting is them life, them philosophy, it's nothing strange, that they looks for the most worthy and most hard-to-kill opponent.
If the opponent is stronger, the thrill of the hunt is the bigger and the honor to win the trophy is more magnificently. It is simple, even according to human rules.
The third - as a hardcore fan both species, I have the smallest comfort in discussion.
I can understand both kind of fan, but both kind of fans don't understand me.
Funny, I think. We - here - in AvP community - should be like friends, not rivals. I suppose, that every fan should understand this fascination, love and obsession, even if it doesn't concerns his/her beloved species. We are like rejected lovers with a broken heart.
So let's there be peace and understanding. Even if someone is non-canon fan, with head full of books and comics.
(I hate this time difference, which precludes me the most interesting moments of the discussion ;)).
Quote from: keylight-di on Dec 28, 2009, 09:43:39 AM
The first - Dutch wasn't toyed. He was found as an equal opponent, who proved in a previous fight his value. It was not fun, even though we've seen. If he wasn't equal, there weren't any duel. Dutch challenged Anytime, Anytime accepted the challenge. It wasn't hunting, it was duel. And it was very seriously. True hand-to-hand combat.
You really think that Dutch was a equal opponent to the Predator? Man... Dutch didn't have any change againt the predator in a hand-to-hand combat and the predator knew that. Dutch was like his personal bitch at that time, he was beating the crap of him just because he is a sadistic bastard thats all, and he was enjoying every second, didn't you hear the way he screamed? He seemed pretty happy to me and you can notice that he was having a great time.
Quote from: Dark Pred on Dec 28, 2009, 02:38:30 PM
You really think that Dutch was a equal opponent to the Predator? Man... Dutch didn't have any change againt the predator in a hand-to-hand combat and the predator knew that. Dutch was like his personal bitch at that time, he was beating the crap of him just because he is a sadistic bastard thats all, and he was enjoying every second, didn't you hear the way he screamed? He seemed pretty happy to me and you can notice that he was having a great time.
Yes, I do.
And I'm right. Or don't you remember, who won this duel? ;)
Maybe Anytime had his great time, but not with this reason you talk about. ;)
Dutch had his chanse and he used it.
Quote from: keylight-di on Dec 28, 2009, 02:51:57 PM
Quote from: Dark Pred on Dec 28, 2009, 02:38:30 PM
You really think that Dutch was a equal opponent to the Predator? Man... Dutch didn't have any change againt the predator in a hand-to-hand combat and the predator knew that. Dutch was like his personal bitch at that time, he was beating the crap of him just because he is a sadistic bastard thats all, and he was enjoying every second, didn't you hear the way he screamed? He seemed pretty happy to me and you can notice that he was having a great time.
Yes, I do.
And I'm right. Or don't you remember, who won this duel? ;)
Maybe Anytime had his great time, but not with this reason you talk about. ;)
Dutch had his chanse and he used it.
Dude, you really have a f**ked up view of how preds are but I can deal with it.
on the pred topic.
I think anytime did a good job of ticking off Dutch by killing his team. Dutch was forced to act creative because he hardly had any weapons left and he had to use the enviroment to kill the predator like it was it to hide in but any was until the end of it. Anytime had his fun and Dutch won by out smarting a superior life form. also dutch got lucky that anytime wanted more fun or else he would of died having his head pinned to the log. ;D
Quote from: Dark Pred on Dec 28, 2009, 02:38:30 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on Dec 28, 2009, 09:43:39 AM
The first - Dutch wasn't toyed. He was found as an equal opponent, who proved in a previous fight his value. It was not fun, even though we've seen. If he wasn't equal, there weren't any duel. Dutch challenged Anytime, Anytime accepted the challenge. It wasn't hunting, it was duel. And it was very seriously. True hand-to-hand combat.
You really think that Dutch was a equal opponent to the Predator? Man... Dutch didn't have any change againt the predator in a hand-to-hand combat and the predator knew that. Dutch was like his personal bitch at that time, he was beating the crap of him just because he is a sadistic bastard thats all, and he was enjoying every second, didn't you hear the way he screamed? He seemed pretty happy to me and you can notice that he was having a great time.
Personally, I think the hunter fought with Dutch as someone who is the most capable of beating him from that team. He was the stongest prey he could found, and as Dutch managed to make him bleed, the pred was very impressed with him. The thrill grew higher, that's why he enjoyed fighting with Dutch (and was screaming). He fought hard, and he wanted Dutch to do so; but not simple sadism, what made him happy.
Nevertheless I think the hunter thought that he would won, and was over-confident (because of which he met his end).
Quote from: Dark Pred on Dec 28, 2009, 03:10:12 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on Dec 28, 2009, 02:51:57 PM
Quote from: Dark Pred on Dec 28, 2009, 02:38:30 PM
You really think that Dutch was a equal opponent to the Predator? Man... Dutch didn't have any change againt the predator in a hand-to-hand combat and the predator knew that. Dutch was like his personal bitch at that time, he was beating the crap of him just because he is a sadistic bastard thats all, and he was enjoying every second, didn't you hear the way he screamed? He seemed pretty happy to me and you can notice that he was having a great time.
Yes, I do.
And I'm right. Or don't you remember, who won this duel? ;)
Maybe Anytime had his great time, but not with this reason you talk about. ;)
Dutch had his chanse and he used it.
Dude, you really have a f**ked up view of how preds are but I can deal with it.
IMO We can't talk about sadism. Sadism it's behaviour which makes someone pleasure, by making pain somebody else. Intentional behaviour. If so - every boxer, every ju-jitsu or kendo fighter is sadistic in this same way. And every human hunter too. ;)
Pain is an indispensable part of the fight, the risk of this is included. If I defy anyone to a duel, I can be sure that I will tattered and that I will make the pain. Is it not obvious? And where's sadism?
Dutch was the greatest challenge, this is the reason why this duel it was hand-to-hand combat. Dutch was treated as a worthy opponent, so Anytime threw his weapon. It was a sign of respect.
But if anyone thinks differently, I think I can live with that. ;)
you don't play with something you think is worthy. ok anytime evened the grounds, but if he really thought he was worthy he would have tried to kill him fast. like his life depended on it. he just played with him like he had no respect for him. i think he was just pissed and wanted to make him suffer.
I don't really agree with either viewpoint here. Sure, they're both possible, but there's a third, far more likely answer. Anytime was simply annoyed. Here he is, the best, the greatest, the invincible, only to get knocked around by a human. He felt insulted, and thus, in an attempt to show Dutch who was boss, brought himself to his weakest point by removing his weapons and smacking Dutch around as if to say "You think you're good? I'll kill you!"
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jan 01, 2010, 09:39:02 PM
I don't really agree with either viewpoint here. Sure, they're both possible, but there's a third, far more likely answer. Anytime was simply annoyed. Here he is, the best, the greatest, the invincible, only to get knocked around by a human. He felt insulted, and thus, in an attempt to show Dutch who was boss, brought himself to his weakest point by removing his weapons and smacking Dutch around as if to say "You think you're good? I'll kill you!"
This explanation is also possible. But ... I can not imagine that Anytime could be annoyed, offended ... These feelings are very human. Too human. If Anytime was a man, human guy, his offended ambition could be the best and the most likely explanation. ;D
But I do not want to make too much antropomorphization of Anytime. He is the alien and I still remember about it.
i would like everyone to remember that anytime is an alien based off hunting rituals. SO how he thinks can be completely different from ours, he could of removed weapons to make more pleasure because he wanted some fun or he just wanted to beat dutch with his bear hands for what dutch did it him. the point is it was his mistake and should of killed dutch with a weapon instead of falling into the trap dutch unecpextly lead him to. What i don't get though how did anytime not notice dutch setting the traps up in his jungle? :D I mean having a mask with multi vision modes, scaning equipment all of advance alien grade tech? how could he not notice the fires and the bending of trees and stuff and Dutch movments even before he put on his mud camo.
Quote from: keylight-di on Jan 01, 2010, 09:53:36 PM
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jan 01, 2010, 09:39:02 PM
I don't really agree with either viewpoint here. Sure, they're both possible, but there's a third, far more likely answer. Anytime was simply annoyed. Here he is, the best, the greatest, the invincible, only to get knocked around by a human. He felt insulted, and thus, in an attempt to show Dutch who was boss, brought himself to his weakest point by removing his weapons and smacking Dutch around as if to say "You think you're good? I'll kill you!"
This explanation is also possible. But ... I can not imagine that Anytime could be annoyed, offended ... These feelings are very human. Too human. If Anytime was a man, human guy, his offended ambition could be the best and the most likely explanation. ;D
But I do not want to make too much antropomorphization of Anytime. He is the alien and I still remember about it.
True, but the same applies for the other end of the spectrum. Anytime was toying with Dutch, having fun. Very human, no? Anytime, following his code of honor, felt Dutch was a worthy opponent and wanted to fight fair. Again, that seems like something a regular person might do.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jan 01, 2010, 11:36:29 PM
True, but the same applies for the other end of the spectrum. Anytime was toying with Dutch, having fun. Very human, no? Anytime, following his code of honor, felt Dutch was a worthy opponent and wanted to fight fair. Again, that seems like something a regular person might do.
Yeap...
But I never said that Anytime toying with Dutch. Never. This seems too human for me also.
I'm this kind of fan, who claim that Preds are honorable, so toying with opponent doesn't fit to my theory.
IMHO it was fight with worthy opponent, something more important than previous ones. As tribal hunter and as alien individual he acted in way not easy to explain.
I try to avoid comparisons to human psychology, although it is sometimes difficult. We can not shallow image of an alien race through the prism of our behavior. But that's just my opinion. In principle, every explanation is (to some extent) probably. I the most like mine ... ;)
Of course the thrill made the hunter not to use advanced weaponary against Dutch, but if he just wanted more pleasure, it wouldn't have been necessary to remove his mask and weapon. He could just switch off the shoulder canon and the mask. I think he wasn't just motivated by sheer thrill; he removed his gadgets exactly because he wanted to show Dutch the respect he felt for him fighting this far (and being able to injure him etc.), he wanted to show him his face. His message was 'I'll try to kill you, do the same'. If simply hurting someone or toying around with an opponent pleased him, the hunter would never have looked for stronger foes, and likely have never come to Earth.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jan 02, 2010, 07:58:21 AM
Of course the thrill made the hunter not to use advanced weaponary against Dutch, but if he just wanted more pleasure, it wouldn't have been necessary to remove his mask and weapon. He could just switch off the shoulder canon and the mask. I think he wasn't just motivated by sheer thrill; he removed his gadgets exactly because he wanted to show Dutch the respect he felt for him fighting this far (and being able to injure him etc.), he wanted to show him his face. His message was 'I'll try to kill you, do the same'. If simply hurting someone or toying around with an opponent pleased him, the hunter would never have looked for stronger foes, and likely have never come to Earth.
Yes...
This is challenge of opponent to fight.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator/bluray/normal_pbluray599.jpg)
Not mindless murder, the slaughterhouse, fun ... Thrill of hunt is a serious matter, it should be seen as a serious duel. Looking into the eyes of the enemy - this is the key moment. I give of myself the best, you have to do the same.
In addition: mask, weapons, etc. preclude equal duel. Anytime had to get rid of what gives him the obvious advantages ...
He was a hunter, not a murderer.
Yeah,im gonna have to go with predator,the predator just was more aggresive to me
Quote from: Puma#20 on Jan 02, 2010, 09:18:51 AM
Yeah,im gonna have to go with predator,the predator just was more aggresive to me
first post congrats :D
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 02, 2010, 09:20:39 AM
Quote from: Puma#20 on Jan 02, 2010, 09:18:51 AM
Yeah,im gonna have to go with predator,the predator just was more aggresive to me
first post congrats :D
Yea..
But I'm not sure about agression... Who is more aggressive? It's question like "what is more sharp - scalpel or razor". ;D
If Preds are more aggressive, so Aliens are more gentle... Hmmm... Gentle Xeno... ;D
I know, I know, I'm a monster... ;D
well in my view the alien is more agressive by far for it attacks everything else but its own kind. Pred's show the ability of control on what it attacks like kids with toy guns they won't attack them while an alien is going to use that poor kid offering candy for bug food. lol
now a gentle xeno that would be funny i say lets hug the slimy bastard. :D
It has nothing to do with the subject.. but you guys made me imagine an alien hugging the little boy from p2 while eating candy together... :D :D :D I think I'll die now :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jan 02, 2010, 10:33:31 AM
It has nothing to do with the subject.. but you guys made me imagine an alien hugging the little boy from p2 while eating candy together... :D :D :D I think I'll die now :D :D :D :D :D
lol yes :D
Semi-silly question:
If you could meet a Xenomorph or Predator without the risk of injury or death, what would you do?
Quote from: Yautjafemme on Jan 02, 2010, 06:25:11 PM
Semi-silly question:
If you could meet a Xenomorph or Predator without the risk of injury or death, what would you do?
just to be funny i'd hug them and tell all my friends. "Hey guys guess what? I hugged a Xenomorph and a predator without being killed, they more snuggly then i thought predator needs a bath though" lol
Quote from: Yautjafemme on Jan 02, 2010, 06:25:11 PM
Semi-silly question:
If you could meet a Xenomorph or Predator without the risk of injury or death, what would you do?
Pred, Pred, Pred... ;D
There is possible communication. And after all, it seems to me that they are more pleasant to cuddle ;D. They are less angular (except for all those blades ;)).
But Xeno? Hmmm it's nice also... But they are very saliva ;). I do not know ...
Difficult choice.
I'll answer my own question!
I'd show a Predator my fossil collection because, to me, my fossils are my trophies. Save for about a quarter, I found, excavated and cleaned each one myself and take a lot of pride from that.
well the predator have technology and its cool, but the aliens are the brave ones, i mean as creature the predator but as film the aliens
i'd meet a pred because meeting a xeno would be like meeting an animal. i couldn't communicate on ant level with it.
I disagree.
Meeting Alien could be maybe more interesting.
If we assume that they use the telepathy (or something similar) for communication, it could be really exciting. Of course - the basic assumption that we go out from this meeting with no damage. On the body and mind.
Aliens is a magical creature. As a gateway to hell. As final answer to the unspeakable questions. Such a meeting could be a metaphysical experience. More interesting that we could remember them later.
Meeting with the Preds gives the possibility to communicate on another level. More mental than philosophical. In this case, we hope the dialogue (in the classical sense).
For me personally, every option seems to be fascinating.
But because I prefer classical type of communication and Preds fascinate me a bit more - I choose Preds.
As always. ;)
The Predator would be easier to communicate with. They have a brain and can sort out what's a threat and what isn't; there's a reason it let Leona and Weyland go in the respective films.
An Alien, if we go by the consensus belief which subscribes to Cameron's interpretation, is totally brainless and knows nothing more than mate, feed, kill, repeat.
Damn, I leave for a week and I come back to find this! I missed it all! Oh, well.
As for that little question above, I'd crack open a few cold ones, lounge on my couch with them, and watch some WJHC hockey action. Go Canada!
SpaceMarines, your back! ;D
And better than ever.. Glad to see that people missed me! :)
Only some people.
>.>
<.<
You're dead to me. >:(
I was actually referring to my friend's evil twin brother, Zeb.
But I'm so excited to see you!
*Hugs SpaceMarines.*
*Whispers.* No, shush, Zeb. There are witnesses. I'll get him later.
*pushes Drago-Morph off*
You really suck at whispering.
8) Dont stare directly into Zebs cool shades.The results would be a disaster.
*stares into Zeb's cool shades*
>:(
8)
???
8)
:(
8)
:o
8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-03vYYAjA
SpaceMarines! No!
*Lunges for Zeb.*
*Accidentally makes eye contact.*
*Instantaneously vaporizes.*
Dang it! SpaceMarines just got back and now he's dead. >:(
*fwoop*
Don't worry, I can regrow my own head. The only problem is now I have to clean up all the brains, bone, blood, and whatnot. I just finished getting the blood out of my carpet from last time this happened, too.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 02, 2010, 09:14:11 PM
Cameron's interpretation
In his commentary, he clarifies this and says the following words about the Aliens:
"Pretty clever". It's less Cameron's interpretation and more the extrapolation on that as a result of poor comic writers wanting to cash in.
As for the answer: Xenomorph. I'd just sit there and stare. And it'd stare back, eyelessly.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 02, 2010, 09:14:11 PM
An Alien, if we go by the consensus belief which subscribes to Cameron's interpretation, is totally brainless and knows nothing more than mate, feed, kill, repeat.
Observing their behavior (by Cameron or not) doesn't provide any basis for drawing conclusions that they are mindless creatures. No reason.
And if they don't have technique, they don't use tools. Well. They don't need it. They cope very well without it, are not they? ;)
(But I still prefer Preds... ;))
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jan 03, 2010, 02:45:57 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 02, 2010, 09:14:11 PM
Cameron's interpretation
In his commentary, he clarifies this and says the following words about the Aliens:
"Pretty clever". It's less Cameron's interpretation and more the extrapolation on that as a result of poor comic writers wanting to cash in.
Clever doesn't equal intelligence. It's still just an animal with instincts.
Quote from: keylight-di on Jan 03, 2010, 05:50:10 AM
And if they don't have technique, they don't use tools. Well. They don't need it. They cope very well without it, are not they? ;)
What?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 03, 2010, 06:41:53 AM
Quote from: keylight-di on Jan 03, 2010, 05:50:10 AM
And if they don't have technique, they don't use tools. Well. They don't need it. They cope very well without it, are not they? ;)
What?
What can't you understand? Logic or grammar? ;)
(Probably both ... :-\)
More like, your sentence didn't make any sense.
They don't need tools, that much I got.
I have thoughts on this: the fact that they don't use technology and they don't use the tools doesn't prove that they are unable to use them. They can and sometimes do it. And they are able to learn. They simply did not produce the tools because they don't need it. IMHO Ability to learn and acquire knowledge is proof/sign of intelligence.
I hope that now I make myself more clearly.
(Or not.)
Cameron made it clear that they have enough intelligence to understand how to cut power to a very specific part of the colony. Out of all the interpretations of the Alien monster, that's probably the most impressive they've ever been.
Alex, can't you understand me also? Am I not understandable?
There is something wrong with me... :-\
(*going to hide herself in dark hive*)
I understand you, but I was replying to DoomRulz.
I should've made it clear, sorry.
What's relief...
DoomRulz can't understand me, I wonder why...
OK. Thanks. ;D
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jan 03, 2010, 07:46:33 AM
Cameron made it clear that they have enough intelligence to understand how to cut power to a very specific part of the colony. Out of all the interpretations of the Alien monster, that's probably the most impressive they've ever been.
I disagree. I'd wager the Resurrection creatures were smarter, given how fast at least one of them learned to use the liquid nitrogen blaster and escape from their prison cell.
That's because the thing was right there when he was using the nitrogen.
I doubt the Aliens were there when they put up the power in the colony. I find that much more impressive.
Quote from: The Demon on Jan 03, 2010, 05:59:17 PM
That's because the thing was right there when he was using the nitrogen.
I doubt the Aliens were there when they put up the power in the colony. I find that much more impressive.
i don't know if either could be said to be smarter. imoa i thought the nitrogen was just pore writing. and at the same time i'm not all that sure that the aliens cut the power on perpose. they could have just messed up wires while finding a way into the ceiling. either way i think all the aliens in all the movies were shown to be very
smart.
ALIEN:giger found his way to the life pod to not be blown up.
ALIENS: they could have cut power. found there way to sealed areas, queen fallowing ripley up the elevator (with or without using the buttons)
ALIEN3: runner didn't fall for any of their tricks and how he maneuvered around all their locked doors.
ALIEN:R: used the nitrogen, used one aliens blood to escape their cells. if you take all the movies at face value you see that the intelligence of the aliens is given justice. i don't think any aliens are shown smarter than the others.
the avp movies they are just retards. another reason i hate those movies.
Exactly. Throughout the franchise, they have been shown to have both collective and individual intelligence.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 03, 2010, 05:41:28 PM
I disagree. I'd wager the Resurrection creatures were smarter, given how fast at least one of them learned to use the liquid nitrogen blaster and escape from their prison cell.
That's just monkey see, monkey do.
The Aliens in the second film would've had to work out the power network on their own with no teaching.
I prefer the alien purely because it's a more realistic looking alien. And I mean that in terms of it's biology. It's a bug of sorts and is therefore exoskeletal, which gives good survivability. There are some parts of it that make no sense whatsoever but f**k it, it's a movie. And it was well thought out.
The predator on the other hand is too human for my liking. In it's looks and attitide. But I think that's actually what makes that movie so good. The fact that by the end you've realized that it's just as susceptible to it's own tricks as Schwarzenneger is, and it doesn't like being played with either.
QuoteThe Aliens in the second film would've had to work out the power network on their own with no teaching.
And the Resurrection Aliens would've had to work out that humans would be attracted to firearms in a side corridor on their own with no teaching.
god some people grammer and spelling here kills me to read, reminds me if i type way to fricken fast.
QuoteGod, some people's grammar and spelling here kills me to read. , reminds me if i type way to fricken fast.
Yeah, me too.
Quote from: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 04:08:17 AM
QuoteGod, some people's grammar and spelling here kills me to read. , reminds me if i type way to fricken fast.
Yeah, me too.
lol forgot to make to too :D
You also forgot to make the end of your post make sense.
Quote from: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 04:28:16 AM
You also forgot to make the end of your post make sense.
ok which one is better?
Watching people grammer and spelling kills me. Reminds me when I type way too fricken fast.
Watching people grammer and spelling kills me; reminds me when i type way too fricken fast.
It should actually be: reminds me of when I type way too fricken fast.
QuoteReading people's grammar and spelling kills me. Reminds me of when I type way too fricken fast.
This (corrected) one.
Quote from: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 04:38:36 AM
QuoteReading people's grammar and spelling kills me. Reminds me of when I type way too fricken fast.
This (corrected) one.
Thank you. :D
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 04, 2010, 04:36:15 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 04:28:16 AM
You also forgot to make the end of your post make sense.
ok which one is better?
Watching people grammer and spelling kills me. Reminds me when I type way too fricken fast.
Watching people grammer and spelling kills me; reminds me when i type way too fricken fast.
it should have read:
watching people gramer and speling kils my. remind me wen i tipes two fast,
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Jan 04, 2010, 05:06:25 AM
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 04, 2010, 04:36:15 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 04:28:16 AM
You also forgot to make the end of your post make sense.
ok which one is better?
Watching people grammer and spelling kills me. Reminds me when I type way too fricken fast.
Watching people grammer and spelling kills me; reminds me when i type way too fricken fast.
it should have read:
watching people gramer and speling kils my. remind me wen i tipes two fast,
lol
Enough with the English lessons, gents.
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 04, 2010, 03:56:34 AM
god some people grammer and spelling here kills me to read, reminds me if i type way to fricken fast.
Thank you, Dude. Your post gives me absolutely comfort during my writting. ;)
Ironic? No, not at all. ;)
I picked aliens because some predators wont kill you if your not a threat to them but it doesnt matter what you are to an alien your just another body for the hive
Quote from: BaconBits on Jan 04, 2010, 08:05:46 PM
I picked aliens because some predators wont kill you if your not a threat to them but it doesnt matter what you are to an alien your just another body for the hive
that's exactly why i like preds more. and a bunch of other reasons.
Quote from: keylight-di on Jan 04, 2010, 08:08:01 AM
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 04, 2010, 03:56:34 AM
god some people grammer and spelling here kills me to read, reminds me if i type way to fricken fast.
Thank you, Dude. Your post gives me absolutely comfort during my writting. ;)
Ironic? No, not at all. ;)
Glad i can be of help :D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 04, 2010, 05:08:38 AM
Enough with the English lessons, gents.
Gents? That's very generous of you. I'd have gone for "c**ts" personally :p
Hao wude!
Not really. If Irvine Welsh taught me anything, it's that "c**t" is the second or third word out of every Scot's mouth.
Besides I personally go for c**ts too.
We use "f**kin'" and "bawbag" a lot too. More often than not in a complimentary sense.
I think we're the only nation that does that. I suppose it must be quite off-putting for foreigners..
Do we?
Quote from: l3awl3ag on Jan 07, 2010, 01:53:16 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 04, 2010, 05:08:38 AM
Enough with the English lessons, gents.
Gents? That's very generous of you. I'd have gone for "c**ts" personally :p
I'm a generous kinda guy. Now get back on topic.
i lub aliens :3
only likes preds WITH masks on :P
Aliens because they will kill you and eat you no matter what! Predators will only kill you if your armed or posed a threat. But if I had to choose sides I'll go with pred because of their intelligence.
I think Aliens are better because when they begin as a facehugger, they facehug really anything like humans, animals and even predators so they could grow up into a different knid of alien.
first post. welcome 8)
Predators for me, I just love their lifestyle.
So you wish you could go around killing random people and taking their spines and skulls? Get help, man. Seriously.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 09, 2010, 05:45:44 AM
So you wish you could go around killing random people and taking their spines and skulls? Get help, man. Seriously.
I really doubt, he was thinking about this concrete aspect of Preds lifestyle.
BTW they never kill random humans.
Seriously.
There is certainly a random element to it, however. For instance, from Predator:
The Predator: "Right, well, I'm in the mood for a hunt! I think I'll go... to... earth! Yes, that'll suffice. I'm sure there will be plenty of muscle-bound Austrians with comical accents who, despite having done nothing at all to piss me off, will be unlucky enough to find a place on my trophy wall. It's great being an intergalactic wanker!"
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 09, 2010, 05:45:44 AM
So you wish you could go around killing random people and taking their spines and skulls? Get help, man. Seriously.
Would you prefer, in an indiscriminate manner, raping ever Tom, Dick, and Harry you came across? Coz that's what you'd be perpetuating if you were an Alien.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 09, 2010, 03:18:10 PM
There is certainly a random element to it, however. For instance, from Predator:
The Predator: "Right, well, I'm in the mood for a hunt! I think I'll go... to... earth! Yes, that'll suffice. I'm sure there will be plenty of muscle-bound Austrians with comical accents who, despite having done nothing at all to piss me off, will be unlucky enough to find a place on my trophy wall. It's great being an intergalactic wanker!"
What?
There is no random element to the Predator's hunting. If there was, he would kill every human he encounters but he doesn't he selects his prey based on whatever criteria he deems necessary, much like any other hunter does.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 09, 2010, 03:18:10 PM
There is certainly a random element to it, however. For instance, from Predator:
The Predator: "Right, well, I'm in the mood for a hunt! I think I'll go... to... earth! Yes, that'll suffice. I'm sure there will be plenty of muscle-bound Austrians with comical accents who, despite having done nothing at all to piss me off, will be unlucky enough to find a place on my trophy wall. It's great being an intergalactic wanker!"
You kidding, I hope? ;)
More random human-killers walk the streets at night. You really can be killed at random, without any reason... ;)
Preds choose their preys very carefully. By very defined, strict criteria.
DoomRulz can see it also. :)
No I'm not kidding. Whilst I understand and agree with the whole 'able opponents are their prey and Arnie and Danny are their lions etc' thing, I still find the Predator's human hunts to be very unnecessary.
Me arguing this is pointless, I know, but the whole notion of the Predator picking on unsuspecting-yet-challenging victims just so he can stroke their skulls baffles me. :-\
Why do you think it's unnecessarry?
I'm just curios.
(I don't argue with your opinion, although I have a different one).
Predators are your sci-fi samurai.
Aliens are your sci-fi representation of fear and death.
I'd go with the Aliens. They have an overall hivemind, which means they have one goal and are all on the same page. Their intellect is unquestionable, as it rises to meet the instinctual need to survive (It's explained in a few books, as well. I think one was called Earth Hive). Most Alien Queens have the IQ of a goat, but it will rise and evolve rapidly through each generation if not met with immediate removal of the species from the area.
Dunno, a solitary alien isn't much unless it's a third-generation or so, but it only takes one Alien to propagate an entire hive.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 09, 2010, 03:57:22 PM
No I'm not kidding. Whilst I understand and agree with the whole 'able opponents are their prey and Arnie and Danny are their lions etc' thing, I still find the Predator's human hunts to be very unnecessary.
Me arguing this is pointless, I know, but the whole notion of the Predator picking on unsuspecting-yet-challenging victims just so he can stroke their skulls baffles me. :-\
Yea, it could be baffled. Especially, when you're looking with point of sight of the prey. But try look at this like a hunter. Change your point of view, be elastic. In human culture we can find many examples for this same behaviour, not so clearly, but it is still present. This is the reason, why we can understand them. Or even try.
We can't forget that they are aliens species, so we can't apply this same moral categories, this same logic. But if you claim, that they hunt randomly, it's not true.
In this same way we can say that Aliens are cruel. Are they? No. They are carnivores.
For Preds hunting
is necessary. It's basic behaviour, essential ingredient of culture. It is
more than
necessary.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 09, 2010, 03:57:22 PM
No I'm not kidding. Whilst I understand and agree with the whole 'able opponents are their prey and Arnie and Danny are their lions etc' thing, I still find the Predator's human hunts to be very unnecessary.
Who said anything about necessary? Why do humans play sports? It's not because it's necessary; we just enjoy playing them. That's why the Predator hunts; it enjoys the thrill of it. It has nothing to do with necessity.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 09, 2010, 03:57:22 PM
Me arguing this is pointless, I know, but the whole notion of the Predator picking on unsuspecting-yet-challenging victims just so he can stroke their skulls baffles me. :-\
If you play hockey and take home the Stanley Cup, or fight in the UFC and take home a championship belt, or play football and take home the Grey Cup, or any other variant you can think of, you're proud of that and you might 'stroke' that trophy because you earned it. Nothing odd or wrong with that.
As I see the hunters, they are not just in for the sport, for the fun. Of course the thrill makes the hunt kind of addicting for them in a way; but I think hunt for them is something that primaryly originates from a different way of thinking they have; I always thought of it a kind of neccessity (if you please); so TJ Doc, why not? Please tell me :)
Deus Ex Machina, I doesn't mean to bug you, but predators have nothing to do with samurai in my opinion.
I think the first error in trying explain Preds reasons of hunting is when we try to apply human criteria for their behavior. It's impossible. And therefore we have qualification like "samurai". They are not samurai, they are not knights. They are not human beings.
Their hunting is a profound need, it's not fun. I agree with 08yeyinde. This is something much more primeval, primary. This is the basis for existence. Perhaps the safety valve for the culture of strictly carnivorous beings. It's hard to say. Everything we know it is not even a basis for speculation.
Oh boy, I've really dug a hole for myself. :(
Alright, bear in mind I'm only really referring to the original Predator. P2's one can be let off since, for the most part, he's disposing of dangerous criminals ("Go nuts." I can imagine his friends back on the ship telling him); and both AvP's Preds obviously have proper agendas. Please believe me, though, when I type that I'm not, I repeat, NOT trying to call the Predators warriors for justice. They are anything but.
But the first, "Anytime"... what's his problem? I guess I could understand his guerrilla-slaughtering in the years prior to the film's events (they were depicted as clear-cut bastards), but why bother with Dutch's (or indeed Hopper's) team? What did they ever do to warrent a hunt?
*remembers Dutch and co. laying waste to the entire guerrilla camp*
Okay, so maybe that got the Pred's attention. Although if I was in the Pred's seemingly low-gravity boots, I reckon I'd have a new-found respect for the Austrian oak and would have let him walk out unharmed... Jesus this hole is getting deep.
But I still can't see the necessity, or indeed the fun involved with the Predator's hunting. It isn't hockey or football... it's slaughter. Can the whole race be built around such a duty?
So I ask the question: Is there such thing as a Predator banker? Or dentist?
Calmly, TD! ;D
For you it's slaughter. OK. I can understand, believe me. ;)
But...
Have you ever seen a hunting? Human hunting. There is no struggle for justice. I'm not a hunter, and I never will, but I understand that if the hunter chooses the victim (a deer, or anything else) - he chooses the best individual. Not some weak, sick or too young. High-quality, complete prey. The more stronger- the better. This is the best trophy.
The same situation we can be seen in P1. Anytime chose the strongest. He was not interested in Anna, a poor unarmed woman, right? He looked for challenges!
And this is it...
Of course, you can don't like it. But this is true. :)
Talking about bankers and dentists it's speculation. But I'm sure that they have medicine. Bankers? I'm not sure... Politicians? I'm sure they have none... ;D
(*If you have to dig a hole for yourself, I invite to my dark corner... where is my one-person hive...;D*)
Yes, looking for the most dangerous prey is the key for them here I think. Unlike in the case of human hunting (perfectly described by keylight-di :)), they are not just looking for complete (uninjured etc.) prey, but one which means danger to them (and Dutch/ the guerillas meant the most danger in that situation, on Earth. I sincerely think that the hunter thought of them as something that's capable of killing him; while watching them in infra-red at, I almost could feel the thrill and hazard the hunter had). This danger is what makes a trophy really worthy, and make the hunter and other hunters (!) feel respect for it (it cannot be described with just this one word I think btw). This makes the society they have work in my opinion.
Why would you dig your grave? I was really interested in your opinion, that's why I asked. And I'm grateful :)
(I know wasn't just for me, thanks anyway:))
I really think it's an ego thing with Preds tbh, they hunt for the status and enjoyment that comes from killing deadly prey. A lot like big game hunters on Earth, really.
I think that was always the intention of the film-makers (the things characters are scripted to say seems to support this), that the Predator goes for those who it feels represent the greatest challenge to its skills as a hunter, a trophy it can show off to other Predators back home, or hang up on the wall as a souvenir.
Personally I like this idea. All the honour and samurai bullshit just pisses me off because it's got no foundation in the films. The predator just kills anything that presents a challenge to it other than an old guy who's terminally ill, a pregnant woman, and a kid with a fake gun.
It doesn't kill Weyland because he's going to die anyway, you can't take glory in killing a weak specimen, so there's no real point.
It doesn't kill the pregnant woman because it may go against some sort of code, like not killing pregnant females because it damages the population, or maybe because it's taking a life that is unable to defend itself in any way whatsoever, being barely sentient, if at all.
And it doesn't kill the kid because, well, apart from being a kid, the gun isn't even real.
Plus, the way the predators kills some of their foes don't seem very honourable to me. Like sitting in a tree while invisible and shooting them in the back.
I disagree about children. Pussyface was ready to fire. It was only when he realized the gun was plastic did he stop himself.
Yeah, I suppose a gun is dangerous whoever has it.
i think if the kid had a real uzi pussyface would of blown the crap out of him. sorry kid...
i was just glad pussface was smart enough to know it was fake. :D
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 10, 2010, 10:23:53 AM
i think if the kid had a real uzi pussyface would of blown the crap out of him. sorry kid...
i was just glad pussface was smart enough to know it was fake. :D
Yea, I think this same.
BTW For me more dangerous and unpredictable are small child or frightened old woman, armed with a real gun than a regular soldier. The soldier is predictable, more or less, he behaves according to specific, logical rules. Panicked civilian doesn't. ;)
Panicking kids and old lady skulls wouldn't mean anything to a Predator. They're more of a nuisance and probably the easiest to kill.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 10, 2010, 06:13:05 PM
Panicking kids and old lady skulls wouldn't mean anything to a Predator. They're more of a nuisance and probably the easiest to kill.
They are dangerous and unpredictable. It makes up a degree of difficulty. I am not sure about their worthlessness. Anyone holding a gun (ready to fire) is dangerous. The weapon is the key.
Therefore, Anytime didn't kill Anna.
Therefore, Pussyface didn't kill kid with a toy. But he killed all armed people in metro.
I don't know it could be worthy trophy, but rules of hunting are clear.
Quote from: keylight-di on Jan 09, 2010, 06:22:30 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 09, 2010, 05:45:44 AM
So you wish you could go around killing random people and taking their spines and skulls? Get help, man. Seriously.
I really doubt, he was thinking about this concrete aspect of Preds lifestyle.
BTW they never kill random humans.
Seriously.
I was joking. Sorry that I didn't make that clear. I guess I should have added a little ;) at the end of the sentence.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 10, 2010, 08:54:49 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on Jan 09, 2010, 06:22:30 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 09, 2010, 05:45:44 AM
So you wish you could go around killing random people and taking their spines and skulls? Get help, man. Seriously.
I really doubt, he was thinking about this concrete aspect of Preds lifestyle.
BTW they never kill random humans.
Seriously.
I was joking. Sorry that I didn't make that clear. I guess I should have added a little ;) at the end of the sentence.
Oh, yea... You should use many of ;) ;) ;), it could make your message more clear...
I hoped, it was joke... ;D
(Be careful, sometimes people take you seriously... ;D)
I'll be sure to use many a ;), :D, and ;D from now on.
Quote from: keylight-di on Jan 10, 2010, 06:24:21 PM
They are dangerous and unpredictable. It makes up a degree of difficulty.
Sure. But to think that they are more dangerous than a soldier, is a bit much.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 10, 2010, 09:05:07 PM
I'll be sure to use many a ;), :D, and ;D from now on.
haha i use them a lot already haha :P
this is cruel of me to say i think but if that kid had a real gun and was trying to shoot me with it, i'd blast him with a bunch of super heated plasma.
luckly the gun was toy. ;D
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 11, 2010, 08:25:25 AM
this is cruel of me to say i think but if that kid had a real gun and was trying to shoot me with it, i'd blast him with a bunch of super heated plasma.
luckly the gun was toy. ;D
Luckily you don't have a plasmacaster... ;D ;D
Luckily the kid didn't have a real gun.
Quote from: Kriszilla on Jan 11, 2010, 10:13:59 AM
Luckily the kid didn't have a real gun.
If he had a real gun, he perished for sure.
Only we can think about this kid as a kid. For Pussyface it was youngling from alien species. Not worthy to kill, but not worthy to risk. It's not cruelty. It's self-defence.
Quote from: keylight-di on Jan 11, 2010, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: Kriszilla on Jan 11, 2010, 10:13:59 AM
Luckily the kid didn't have a real gun.
If he had a real gun, he perished for sure.
Why? The hunter knew it was not a grown up. And he could see as well that it didn't mean any harm to him; not because he had no real weapon, but for he lacked the will to fight. He wasn't agressive. I think if the weapon had been real, the pred wouldn't have killed the little guy. No reson to do so.
What stopped the Predator from killing those little worthless creatures he decorates himself with? You know all those necklaces and stuff?
I don't see why the Predator, being a sadistic creature, wouldn't kill something worthless for the pleasure it gives him (if it wasn't preoccupied.)
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jan 11, 2010, 11:15:41 AM
Quote from: keylight-di on Jan 11, 2010, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: Kriszilla on Jan 11, 2010, 10:13:59 AM
Luckily the kid didn't have a real gun.
If he had a real gun, he perished for sure.
Why? The hunter knew it was not a grown up. And he could see as well that it didn't mean any harm to him; not because he had no real weapon, but for he lacked the will to fight. He wasn't agressive. I think if the weapon had been real, the pred wouldn't have killed the little guy. No reson to do so.
I'm not so sure.
Look, what happens in a metro. None of the passengers was a real threat, and they all died.
I doubt that Pussyface bothered himself this with any depth analysis. Simple quantification:
you have a gun - you take aim at me - you're dangerous - you're killed.
Another issue is the value of the trophy. They were not worthy to be a trophy.
Quote from: The Demon on Jan 11, 2010, 11:25:14 AM
I don't see why the Predator, being a sadistic creature, wouldn't kill something worthless for the pleasure it gives him (if it wasn't preoccupied.)
Have you never seen a woman in a fur coat?
Is she a sadistic killer? Fur coat isn't a trophy. Why Preds have this all jewerly? Who knows, maybe it's for beauty, maybe it's religious, maybe for fun... Maybe for us to make us asking more questions... ;D ;D
Quote from: keylight-di on Jan 11, 2010, 10:03:52 AM
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 11, 2010, 08:25:25 AM
this is cruel of me to say i think but if that kid had a real gun and was trying to shoot me with it, i'd blast him with a bunch of super heated plasma.
luckly the gun was toy. ;D
Luckily you don't have a plasmacaster... ;D ;D
yeah thank god i'd most likly will blow somthing up i don't want to blow up like my foot. :D
About the necklace, you cannot know, as we dont know the animal itself. I don't think it represents sadism, though we don't know what kind of creature was it. A wolverine is smaller than a wolf, but far more dangerous. As I that wasn't even made by the hunter by the way.
In the metro, those people did pose threat to the hunter. They wanted to attacked him, and did so, and although just one of them couldn't kill him, the whole pack could finish him. He had to make a decision, and he thought they weere dangerous, so they had to die. I didn't say, they exactly know what's a threat to them. But they try to 'categorize' (sorry, it sounds dumb :)) and act according to this. Little guy who's just watching, no threat. Bunch of 'ready to shoot the mofo' threat. It's up to the hunter's decision, a subjective choice. They are not the same, but if they make a mistake, they pay for it. And I think shooting the little guy would be one.
I'm just saying, just because the Predator is a hunter doesn't mean he's always going to be following some kind of guideline of what makes a hunter. We saw the Predator trying to blow apart a muskrat or something like that. Was there sport in it? No. I think he was just being a nasty bastard that the Predators are.
i think he was looking for dutch. he didn't know what he was aiming at. it was the only thing with body heat, and he hoped it was dutch.
Quote from: The Demon on Jan 12, 2010, 11:34:43 PM
I'm just saying, just because the Predator is a hunter doesn't mean he's always going to be following some kind of guideline of what makes a hunter. We saw the Predator trying to blow apart a muskrat or something like that. Was there sport in it? No. I think he was just being a nasty bastard that the Predators are.
He thought it was Dutch. He wasn't aiming at it because it was a rodent. All he saw was a minor heat signature.
You got me there but I still stick to what I said.
aliens their the ultimate life form
i'm the ultimate life form.
My face is the ultimate life form.
BOOYA!
Predator bc of his code of honor and his weapons
Quotecode of honor
which dictates them to impale or plasma-pwn people
from behind while being
invisible.That's some serious honor!
He only plasma pwns people he doeasnt find a worthy opponent other than that he stalks and eventually fights his target hand to hand.
Quote from: Joe117 on Jan 16, 2010, 09:04:55 PM
He only plasma pwns people he doeasnt find a worthy opponent other than that he stalks and eventually fights his target hand to hand.
Yes. But I'd replace the word honour with rules, and add that their different way of thinking results in a very dustinct behaviour, that maybe humans see as honour, but it's far from that in my opinion. (I recklessly used the before mentioned phrase in my first post, sorry for that)
But what's the matter: you're right mate! :)
=) thank you sir
Predalien's man no matter how skill'd the predator or the level of their tech predalien's can still over come it and if by luck and skill the predator beats the predalien in battle I'll beat top dollar it wasnt an easy battle and that the predator just about got away with his life.
I posted here but i still say aliens but for new reasons.
An alien can always facehug a predator and make better alien out of it.
I mean for all we know everything the alien face hugs makes a strong xenomorph version of the host. So one on one a predator against a pred alien is screwed, not unless the predator is a complete experienced bad ass that fought them before. So aliens are clearly Superior for they can survive anywhere and make strong enough soldiers anywhere to have the ability to control the planet. And by control i mean swarm and infest it.
They have evolved or been created so they are the perfect life form. intelligent, clever, sneaky, strong, fast, no sense of morality, able to adapt to almost anything, acid for blood, armored skin, able to climb on walls, and lastly able to take on traits of its host, to give it the best advantage on the planet or ship they are on. There's most likely a lot more reasons.
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 17, 2010, 03:42:38 AM
They have evolved or been created so they are the perfect life form. intelligent, clever, sneaky, strong, fast, no sense of morality, able to adapt to almost anything, acid for blood, armored skin, able to climb on walls, and lastly able to take on traits of its host, to give it the best advantage on the planet or ship they are on. There's most likely a lot more reasons.
If you said that in Church i would stand up raise both arms and yell "Amen my brother, praise the lord, the xenomorph lord!!!" ;D
Quote from: Lie1295 on Jan 17, 2010, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 17, 2010, 03:42:38 AM
They have evolved or been created so they are the perfect life form. intelligent, clever, sneaky, strong, fast, no sense of morality, able to adapt to almost anything, acid for blood, armored skin, able to climb on walls, and lastly able to take on traits of its host, to give it the best advantage on the planet or ship they are on. There's most likely a lot more reasons.
If you said that in Church i would stand up raise both arms and yell "Amen my brother, praise the lord, the xenomorph lord!!!" ;D
thankyou *bows* :D
very tough, if there was a tie option, i would have chosen that. went with aliens on the strength of the first 2 movies and the creature design
Neither. I always support the human characters in the movie.
Your forced to support the human chars
i say the predator because he is just kick ass and the has all of the tec to kick every aliens ass up and down the place like in AVP2 he f**king owned
In AvP:R(ectum), Wolf was a terrible fighter. He only succeeded because the Aliens he was fighting were f**king retarded, or something. What he did would be the equivalent of me beating up a bunch of three year olds. Its not that I'm a good fighter, its just my enemy lacks the physical and mental capacities to effectively fight back. Any Alien from any other Alien film, or any Predator from any other Predator film, would have been able to kick his ass from here to the Moon and back again.
and now space goes satan and eats your SOUL!!!!!! :D
I EXIST UPON A PLAIN THAT YOUR FEEBLE MIND CAN NEITHER IMAGINE NOR COMPREHEND. I AM A NATION, FREE OF ALL WEAKNESS! I SHALL NOW EAT YOUR SOUL!!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi787.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fyy151%2FTJDocT84%2FSpaceMarnesaclypse.jpg&hash=e65e3bedb66d8db3b1722e6bc6c234ab02101cf2)
And yet you miss the "R" off the end of "YOUR".
Ahem.
Predator for sure, he's got cool tech weapons and he's just a badass looking character. I like the aliens also but if I was in an AVP movie It sure as hell would'nt hurt to have a pred on your side. Or would it???????
(watching "Predator 2" on SyFy channel as I type this, awsome)
Keep repeating that silly "enemy, friend" bit from AvP and maybe he'll consider it.
I was really hoping he'd take her spine. Oh well... :(
Lol, that would've been a funny ending :D
If the Queen hadn't popped up then Scar would have eaten her face. He was moving in for the bite (which everyone misinterprets for "the kiss"), after all.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 25, 2010, 04:25:04 PM
If the Queen hadn't popped up then Scar would have eaten her face. He was moving in for the bite (which everyone misinterprets for "the kiss"), after all.
wow i always knew the predator's were messy kissers lol. :D
Aliens all the way baby!!!
I've always found the Aliens to be really cool, I mean, don't get me wrong, Predator is cool too... but Alien is in my personal taste.
- They just look really cool.
- They have a mouth, inside their mouth!
- Acid for blood.
- Very interesting life-cycle.
- The whole caste-system is really cool.
- They creep in the darkness and are just far scarier than the Preds IMO.
- I've always been a fan of "infesting" creatures (The Flood, plain ol' zombies, etc.)
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 25, 2010, 04:25:04 PM
If the Queen hadn't popped up then Scar would have eaten her face. He was moving in for the bite (which everyone misinterprets for "the kiss"), after all.
It always appeared to me that he was just bowing to her. Honoring her for her assistance.
I like TJ's "OM, OM, OM, HUMAN!" theory.
It's "OM
NOM NOM, HUMAN" theory! >:(
Quote from: The Demon on Jan 25, 2010, 11:38:36 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 25, 2010, 04:25:04 PM
If the Queen hadn't popped up then Scar would have eaten her face. He was moving in for the bite (which everyone misinterprets for "the kiss"), after all.
It always appeared to me that he was just bowing to her. Honoring her for her assistance.
That's certainly possible, but just think - two mandibles in the forehead and the other two under the chin. Face comes right off!
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 26, 2010, 12:26:25 AM
That's certainly possible, but just think - two mandibles in the forehead and the other two under the chin. Face comes right off!
"OM, NOM, NOM, HUMAN?" (http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=76398735)
I think he's got the right idea. Lol.
The Alien Queen Mother would smash any Predator in her way :)
Since she is the supreme ruler of all Xenomorph's in the galaxy no Predator without a Nuke could take her down so i stick with the Xeno's MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :D
Predators all the way!!!
The predators are tough, well-equipped, and are strategic. After killing most of the survivors, they should scare the shit out of the last ones alive, making it easier for them, and harder for the us. Predators can only be defeated by the last survivor because they want to make it a happy ending. Only a squad of well-trained people can defeat a Predator, if the predator was stupid enough to show up in front of them. Only the aliens can kill them, but still requires a lot of aliens to do that. When they die, their comrades honor the other species, except if it is an alien. All this making the Predators the high-class species of the three.
If you say so, buddy. Sounds like a load of fanboy bullshit to me.
Or like personal opinion, don't you think? ;)
Quote
Predators all the way!!!
Alright, fair enough, opinion.
QuoteThe predators are tough, well-equipped, and are strategic.
Also true.
QuoteAfter killing most of the survivors, they should scare the shit out of the last ones alive, making it easier for them, and harder for the us.
Sort of supported by the films, but they didn't really need to try and scare Dutch/Harrigan in the movies, predators are hunters, not little kids in scary costumes.
QuotePredators can only be defeated by the last survivor because they want to make it a happy ending.
... wat
QuoteOnly a squad of well-trained people can defeat a Predator, if the predator was stupid enough to show up in front of them.
An exhausted military officer and a cop both killed preds on their own, without a squad as backup or even guns.
QuoteOnly the aliens can kill them, but still requires a lot of aliens to do that.
No, it takes one alien. Grid killed two without help from anyone.
QuoteWhen they die, their comrades honor the other species, except if it is an alien. All this making the Predators the high-class species of the three.
What the f**k are you talking about? Do you mean if a human kills a predator they are given a token of respect?
It was the very first post of this guy. I hope that not the last.
Welcome.
Excuse me for pointing out massive flaws in an argument.
If you like predators, great, say so, it's your opinion, but don't try to give reasons for liking them that don't exist or even make sense.
Both endings were the happy endings, the audience demands it to be. It can and can't be a point of argument, but I think it's pointless to mention. So the main character can't die. But I think there's a meaning too behind these endings, so it was fair enough.
Dutch maybe was exhausted and frightened... a bit. But his need for revenge and willpower was stronger. And as you saw, he didn't win by physichal power, so... A cop? What's your point? If you're implying cops are not tough well..hmm. The standrad is. Harrigan was over the standard.
Avp and avpr. You can bring arguments fro them, but it's not too lucky to. Grid killed two preds, Wolf was easily tossing around aliens/ grabbing them by the neck. Both avp films are bad.
I'm not saying anyone's right, but these arguments seem fishy to me. And I don't see the point in over or under estimating aliens or predators just because one likes the other. Still...
QuotePredators all the way!!!
;D ;D
Quote from: Kriszilla on Feb 02, 2010, 09:30:08 AM
Excuse me for pointing out massive flaws in an argument.
If you like predators, great, say so, it's your opinion, but don't try to give reasons for liking them that don't exist or even make sense.
i don't think you pointed out any big flaws. and your point about how arnold and danny killed a pred wasn't all that great. that's how the movies had to end. in a more realistic standing pred would have killed them both.
Predators are winning this by 35 votes.
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Feb 02, 2010, 07:44:58 PM
i don't think you pointed out any big flaws. and your point about how arnold and danny killed a pred wasn't all that great. that's how the movies had to end. in a more realistic standing pred would have killed them both.
The movies, being canonical sources, define reality.
So those Preds were killed legitimately.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 03, 2010, 12:38:27 AM
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Feb 02, 2010, 07:44:58 PM
i don't think you pointed out any big flaws. and your point about how arnold and danny killed a pred wasn't all that great. that's how the movies had to end. in a more realistic standing pred would have killed them both.
The movies, being canonical sources, define reality.
So those Preds were killed legitimately.
QFT.
Quote from: Stoneheart on Feb 01, 2010, 08:27:27 PM
The Alien Queen Mother would smash any Predator in her way :)
Since she is the supreme ruler of all Xenomorph's in the galaxy no Predator without a Nuke could take her down so i stick with the Xeno's MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :D
I was going to make a cheap picture using paint to put the Queen Mother's face on an Alien, but then decided not to. Imagine it.
Quote from: Stoneheart on Feb 01, 2010, 08:27:27 PM
The Alien Queen Mother would smash any Predator in her way :)
Since she is the supreme ruler of all Xenomorph's in the galaxy no Predator without a Nuke could take her down so i stick with the Xeno's MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv6u5EYgf40&feature=related
I LOVE THEM BOTH!! I ALWAYS DID! THE PREDATOR HAS THAT ESSCENCE THAT MAKES IT UNIQUE!!! HE HAS THE VISION MODES,THE CLOACKING DEVICE,THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE PERSONALITY OF THE PREDATOR IS EXCELENT! THE CULTURE OF THE PREDATOR IS EXCELENT TOO,THE RITUALS,THEY WILL ONLY ATTACK LIFE FORMS THAT HAVE THE HABILITY TO PROVIDE THEM A CHALENGE! (LIKE THE ALIENS) AND HOW HE HIDES WAITING FOR HIS PREY IS EXCELENT.AND I LOVE TO PLAY PREDATOR GAMES!! I LOVE TO PLAY AS THE PREDATOR I AVP GAMES!!AND I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY AS HIM IN AVP 3!
AND THE ALIENS ARE GREAT!! THEY ARE VERY DARK, VERY DEADLY AND THE NATURE OF THE ALIENS IS EXCELENT.HOW THEY KILL IS GREAT! BESIDES THEY HAVE A REALLY COOL DESIGN!! VERY DEADLY!! AND TERRIFIC AT THE SAME TIME AND THEY ARE VERY HOSTILES WITH ANYONE!!!! I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST SAW "ALIENS"!!! IT WAS GREAT!!! IT WAS ALL A NEW THING FOR ME!! IT WAS THE FIRST ALIEN MOVIE I SAW!AND I FELT IN LOVE WITH THE ALIEN!!
SO I DONT HAVE A FAVOURITE! I LOVE THEM BOTH AS WELL!THEY HAD GREAT THINGS! EACH ONE OF THEM HAS GREAT THINGS THAT CHARACTERIZES THEM!.
Quote from: nico_celtic on Feb 03, 2010, 02:17:11 AM
I LOVE THEM BOTH!! I ALWAYS DID! THE PREDATOR HAS THAT ESSCENCE THAT MAKES IT UNIQUE!!! HE HAS THE VISION MODES,THE CLOACKING DEVICE,THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE PERSONALITY OF THE PREDATOR IS EXCELENT! THE CULTURE OF THE PREDATOR IS EXCELENT TOO,THE RITUALS,THEY WILL ONLY ATTACK LIFE FORMS THAT HAVE THE HABILITY TO PROVIDE THEM A CHALENGE! (LIKE THE ALIENS) AND HOW HE HIDES WAITING FOR HIS PREY IS EXCELENT.AND I LOVE TO PLAY PREDATOR GAMES!! I LOVE TO PLAY AS THE PREDATOR I AVP GAMES!!AND I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY AS HIM IN AVP 3!
AND THE ALIENS ARE GREAT!! THEY ARE VERY DARK, VERY DEADLY AND THE NATURE OF THE ALIENS IS EXCELENT.HOW THEY KILL IS GREAT! BESIDES THEY HAVE A REALLY COOL DESIGN!! VERY DEADLY!! AND TERRIFIC AT THE SAME TIME AND THEY ARE VERY HOSTILES WITH ANYONE!!!! I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST SAW "ALIENS"!!! IT WAS GREAT!!! IT WAS ALL A NEW THING FOR ME!! IT WAS THE FIRST ALIEN MOVIE I SAW!AND I FELT IN LOVE WITH THE ALIEN!!
SO I DONT HAVE A FAVOURITE! I LOVE THEM BOTH AS WELL!THEY HAD GREAT THINGS! EACH ONE OF THEM HAS GREAT THINGS THAT CHARACTERIZES THEM!.
No offense or anything... but don't you think you're over-working your caps lock? I mean, I love obnoxiously capitalized walls of text just as much as the next guy... but every CAPS LOCK button needs a lunch break sometime. Don't want it munching off your fingers, now, do we?
Quote from: Buwx on Feb 03, 2010, 02:21:49 AM
Quote from: nico_celtic on Feb 03, 2010, 02:17:11 AM
I LOVE THEM BOTH!! I ALWAYS DID! THE PREDATOR HAS THAT ESSCENCE THAT MAKES IT UNIQUE!!! HE HAS THE VISION MODES,THE CLOACKING DEVICE,THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE PERSONALITY OF THE PREDATOR IS EXCELENT! THE CULTURE OF THE PREDATOR IS EXCELENT TOO,THE RITUALS,THEY WILL ONLY ATTACK LIFE FORMS THAT HAVE THE HABILITY TO PROVIDE THEM A CHALENGE! (LIKE THE ALIENS) AND HOW HE HIDES WAITING FOR HIS PREY IS EXCELENT.AND I LOVE TO PLAY PREDATOR GAMES!! I LOVE TO PLAY AS THE PREDATOR I AVP GAMES!!AND I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY AS HIM IN AVP 3!
AND THE ALIENS ARE GREAT!! THEY ARE VERY DARK, VERY DEADLY AND THE NATURE OF THE ALIENS IS EXCELENT.HOW THEY KILL IS GREAT! BESIDES THEY HAVE A REALLY COOL DESIGN!! VERY DEADLY!! AND TERRIFIC AT THE SAME TIME AND THEY ARE VERY HOSTILES WITH ANYONE!!!! I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST SAW "ALIENS"!!! IT WAS GREAT!!! IT WAS ALL A NEW THING FOR ME!! IT WAS THE FIRST ALIEN MOVIE I SAW!AND I FELT IN LOVE WITH THE ALIEN!!
SO I DONT HAVE A FAVOURITE! I LOVE THEM BOTH AS WELL!THEY HAD GREAT THINGS! EACH ONE OF THEM HAS GREAT THINGS THAT CHARACTERIZES THEM!.
No offense or anything... but don't you think you're over-working your caps lock? I mean, I love obnoxiously capitalized walls of text just as much as the next guy... but every CAPS LOCK button needs a lunch break sometime. Don't want it munching off your fingers, now, do we?
HAHA VERY FUNNY BUT I LOVE TO USE THE CAPS LOCK.
Quote from: nico_celtic on Feb 03, 2010, 02:27:04 AMHAHA VERY FUNNY BUT I LOVE TO USE THE CAPS LOCK.
Okay then, don't come crying to me when your fingers go missing.
Quote from: Buwx on Feb 03, 2010, 02:31:43 AM
Quote from: nico_celtic on Feb 03, 2010, 02:27:04 AMHAHA VERY FUNNY BUT I LOVE TO USE THE CAPS LOCK.
Okay then, don't come crying to me when your fingers go missing.
NO DONT WORRY!
I don't, stop using it.
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 03, 2010, 03:05:16 AM
I don't, stop using it.
Ok fine sorry!!! jesus christ!!!!
I forgive you...just like Jesus would.
It appears that the Alien fans are slowly catching up to the Predators. Maybe I should lock the voting so they never will. ;)
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 03, 2010, 12:38:27 AM
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Feb 02, 2010, 07:44:58 PM
i don't think you pointed out any big flaws. and your point about how arnold and danny killed a pred wasn't all that great. that's how the movies had to end. in a more realistic standing pred would have killed them both.
The movies, being canonical sources, define reality.
So those Preds were killed legitimately.
using that logic preds can only be killed by their own weapons.
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 03, 2010, 03:16:11 AMIt appears that the Alien fans are slowly catching up to the Predators. Maybe I should lock the voting so they never will. ;)
Your life is a lie! XD
Just 'cos people are coming to their senses... :)
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Feb 03, 2010, 03:17:56 AM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 03, 2010, 12:38:27 AM
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Feb 02, 2010, 07:44:58 PM
i don't think you pointed out any big flaws. and your point about how arnold and danny killed a pred wasn't all that great. that's how the movies had to end. in a more realistic standing pred would have killed them both.
The movies, being canonical sources, define reality.
So those Preds were killed legitimately.
using that logic preds can only be killed by their own weapons.
...or a giant log dropped on them from above. Or gunfire. Or being stabbed sufficiently. Or a great many other things.
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Feb 03, 2010, 03:17:56 AM
using that logic preds can only be killed by their own weapons.
'Logic'? Where?
The movies show Predators being harmed (even grievously so) by human weapons and traps.
Bizzaro world logic.
They can die/ be hurt from many things. Simple things. It has been shown in the movies, what's the matter here? I'm sure they suffer sometimes from diarrhea either ;D. Joke aside what's the point here?
clinton_haeckl said that Predator's can only be harmed by there own weapons. We are pointing out the many instances that show that is not true.
Yeah, I see that. I just didn't think there's a point in saying preds can't be hurt with simple things or so. Even wooden stakes could make them bleed. 'If it bleeds, we can kill it' says the old Chinese proverb (or I heard it somewhere else?) ;D
I think Moses said that to the Israelites as he led them out of Egypt.
Predator for me. I choose them because I find the species more interesting & I like both Predator films compared to 2 out of the 4 Alien movies.
Predators, even though I think Alien is the best film out of both franchises...
The Aliens, because they're... so... alien. Love the design, life cycle and... everything.
predators cos there stronger, have advanced weaponry and are'nt afraid to take on any enemy no-matter how big they are. Where-as the aliens run and hide until they have backup or they can get you from behind like cowards. Plus predators are humanoid so they are easier to relate to.
I'd, uh, challenge some of your points, but givne your username I think I'd have a better chance with a wall.
whats wrong wiv my user name?
nuffink m8.
hey vulhala im pretty new to this forum and online stuff altogether and i was wondering how to get an avatar on my profile can u help
Quote from: predatorfan46 on Feb 06, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
whats wrong wiv my user name?
predatorfan... Nothing SiL can say will sway your opinion, because you're a Predator fan. A HARDCORE PREDATOR FAN. Ain't that right?
Quote from: predatorfan46 on Feb 06, 2010, 10:34:49 PM
hey vulhala im pretty new to this forum and online stuff altogether and i was wondering how to get an avatar on my profile can u help
I'm not Vulhala, but you go to your profile then to Modify Profile, then click on Forum Profile and there is a section for avatars.
Quote from: predatorfan46 on Feb 06, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
whats wrong wiv my user name?
The kind of person who makes their username "Predatorfan" isn't usually the kind of person who's willing to engage in a discussion that involves someone saying the Predators aren't God-like awesome.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 06, 2010, 11:26:56 PM
Quote from: predatorfan46 on Feb 06, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
whats wrong wiv my user name?
The kind of person who makes their username "Predatorfan" isn't usually the kind of person who's willing to engage in a discussion that involves someone saying the Predators aren't God-like awesome.
im just voicing my opinion, ur entitled to yours if you want to say preds are wak then go ahead cos im not sayin there perfect and im also an alien fan too i just like preds better. I chose that username cos i could'nt think of anything else at the time.
Quote from: Skinner on Feb 06, 2010, 11:09:13 PM
Quote from: predatorfan46 on Feb 06, 2010, 10:34:49 PM
hey vulhala im pretty new to this forum and online stuff altogether and i was wondering how to get an avatar on my profile can u help
I'm not Vulhala, but you go to your profile then to Modify Profile, then click on Forum Profile and there is a section for avatars.
Cheers m8
Oi, don't double post please.
Quote from: predatorfan46 on Feb 06, 2010, 10:34:49 PM
hey vulhala im pretty new to this forum and online stuff altogether and i was wondering how to get an avatar on my profile can u help
Yes mate.
Profile > Modify Profile > Forum Profile > Select "Specify Avatar by URL" and then enter the URL of the pic you want to use, hit "Save" at the bottom, and you're good to go mate.
Quote from: Vulhala on Feb 07, 2010, 01:57:01 AM
Quote from: predatorfan46 on Feb 06, 2010, 10:34:49 PM
hey vulhala im pretty new to this forum and online stuff altogether and i was wondering how to get an avatar on my profile can u help
Yes mate.
Profile > Modify Profile > Forum Profile > Select "Specify Avatar by URL" and then enter the URL of the pic you want to use, hit "Save" at the bottom, and you're good to go mate.
thanx
Quote from: predatorfan46 on Feb 06, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
whats wrong wiv my user name?
Nothing wrong! ;D
Simply - it shows very clearly your preferences.
I pick predator because well think about it the predator clans are similar to human countries because they wage war, they make weapons, and they are big so i think that predators are like humans
My choice is predator because i like the design and weapons of the predators to the aliens. But aliens are still really awesome creatures.
Xenomorphs. Far more unique design in my opinion, and a fairly unique life cycle and set of abilities. Nothing wrong with Predators, it's just that most Sci-Fi settings give aliens energy weaponry and advanced technology, so it just seems a bit old to me.
Not to mention that Predators are ugly (and not in a good way) when demasked. :P
QuoteNot to mention that Predators are ugly (and not in a good way) when demasked. :P
Noo, they are real cuties like that :D :D If not... they still look good imo without mask ;D ;D
Their momma think they handsome!
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 11, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
Their momma think they handsome!
'cause they are...
Just some of you can't see that. ;)
I shouldn't go on...
Their regal profile is something that even I'm envious of.
Quote from: keylight-di on Feb 11, 2010, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 11, 2010, 05:36:22 PM
Their momma think they handsome!
'cause they are...
Just some of you can't see that. ;)
I shouldn't go on...
Sharing the same opinion ^^ :D :D :D I think they have a sort of charm.. but I also think that the aliens are cute too ;D ;D (and hugableeeeeeeeeeeee)
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 11, 2010, 07:50:43 PM
Their regal profile is something that even I'm envious of.
Profile?
Not only...
Swift and deadly, so full of grace, fighting they dance with death... How is it possible,that creature so tall, so big and heavy has so big charm, and simply beauty... Impossible full of dangerous beauty. Not like sunny landscape, but like heavy storm. The highest excellence.
Yea, it's fan's words... ;)
Xenos are sexy in this same way. With its eternal smile, long, careful fingers and bodies so delicate, so impossible complicated and simple in this same time. So full of grace. Crawling on the walls, they crept along the nerves, conducting dreams and the worst nightmares.
Both creatures are the embodiment of dreams about the highest perfection. How can you not see their beauty. Perfection is always beautiful. Especially if it's so deadly.
I hope I don't break any rule... You started this subject... ;)
QuoteHow is it possible,that creature so tall, so big and heavy has so big charm, and simply beauty... Impossible full of dangerous beauty.
Hey i'm big and tall and have charm!!! I'm just like that!!!! :D
Sure... if by charm you mean boorish obnoxiousness and ignorance. ;)
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 12, 2010, 01:34:09 AM
Sure... if by charm you mean boorish obnoxiousness and ignorance. ;)
hey the ladies like me because i'm charming. ;D
Quote from: keylight-di on Feb 11, 2010, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 11, 2010, 07:50:43 PM
Their regal profile is something that even I'm envious of.
Profile?
Not only...
Swift and deadly, so full of grace, fighting they dance with death... How is it possible,that creature so tall, so big and heavy has so big charm, and simply beauty... Impossible full of dangerous beauty. Not like sunny landscape, but like heavy storm. The highest excellence.
Yea, it's fan's words... ;)
Xenos are sexy in this same way. With its eternal smile, long, careful fingers and bodies so delicate, so impossible complicated and simple in this same time. So full of grace. Crawling on the walls, they crept along the nerves, conducting dreams and the worst nightmares.
Both creatures are the embodiment of dreams about the highest perfection. How can you not see their beauty. Perfection is always beautiful. Especially if it's so deadly.
I hope I don't break any rule... You started this subject... ;)
;D ;D Absolutely agree ^^ (sorry again for re-posting you words) I also find both aliens and predators magnificent . The Xenos are the perfect killers, designed to annihilate and..... I find them cute and hugaaaaaaaable *total meltdown* ^^ ;D ;D ;D I know I know - I fell twice on my head when I was little so forgive me being weird at times XD. The Yautja are the ultimate hunters (and no matter their size they still have a sort of grace XD) - and, yeah - they have an amazing body ;D ;D (sorry - I'm an artist and I speak more of the artstical point of view rather than the sexual one :P)
Sorry, but I like when somebody is agree with my words... ;D
Especially in subject like this one...
Yea... modesty... ;)
Creatures of divine perfection...
And sexy.. Who could want more...
(maybe touch)
is just me or is it getting hot in here? lol :D
Ok maybe we should get back to topic? ;D
Quote from: Darth Dude on Feb 12, 2010, 06:47:54 PM
is just me or is it getting hot in here? lol :D
Ok maybe we should get back to topic? ;D
Ok sorry - we just got carried away a bit XD
On the topic -for sure the two creatures are amazing but I still prefer the perds a liiittle more than the Xenos ;D
Alien was here.
Predator is a momma's boy.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 13, 2010, 05:29:54 AM
Alien was here.
Predator is a momma's boy.
Wrong attitude.
The disregard always takes vengeance on the disdainful ... ;)
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 13, 2010, 05:29:54 AM
Predator is a momma's boy.
Nuh-uh! The Alien is the one that always runs back to their momma! :P
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 13, 2010, 05:29:54 AM
Alien was here.
Predator is a momma's boy.
Alien's are the ones that squeal like bitches, whatchu talkin about boi?
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 13, 2010, 05:22:45 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 13, 2010, 05:29:54 AM
Predator is a momma's boy.
Nuh-uh! The Alien is the one that always runs back to their momma! :P
And they would give their lives to save her. Talk about being a momma's boy.
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Feb 13, 2010, 05:47:31 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 13, 2010, 05:22:45 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 13, 2010, 05:29:54 AM
Predator is a momma's boy.
Nuh-uh! The Alien is the one that always runs back to their momma! :P
And they would give their lives to save her. Talk about being a momma's boy.
Sure as hell! Predators hunt on their own while the aliens usually hunt in packs ^^
let me blow you all out of the water here.....
1) Aliens do hunt alone and quite better then a predator.
2) I love my moma. :P And i'd protect her day of the week.
3) Being a moma's boy ain't a bad thing and not all aliens came from that queen so they could be potentail love intrest.
4) When alone they display a very high level of hunting instinct. They are also very intelligent able to use the enviroment to there advantage while a predator uses that whimpy cloaking. I mean why need cloaking when you can hide in the enviroment perfectly.
5) Acid for blood.
6) able to move at fast speeds or just remain motionless entirely.
8) they do learn tricks but the not the tricks you want them to learn, like play dead. (you walk up to it, it looks dead, BOOM head bite)
9) They're clever
10) just to sound like a nut job and normal on this site. "Perfect lifeform"
11) Razor sharp claws, teeth, and mighty powerful tail.
12) can get close to you and you wouldn't know it, when was the last time a predator got close to a guy with out them noticing? Only thing stealthy about a pred is that cloaking. It makes way too much noise! With all of its clicking and roars god man!!!
I'm sure i can think of more....give me a second lol. :D
Aliens never hunt. They stalk, that's true, but they try to eliminate their prey the fastest way, dispose of that it means less possible threat for them and the hive. It's totally different from the predators. If you don't get this, well... Preds and aliens can't be compared on this ground. Aliens kill. Predators fight. Both of them must be respected for what they do. Using their enviroment is intelligence, since it's needed for experiencing and memorizing. But that's not very complex.
Dunno, I didn't see the hunter in pred one when he got Ahnuld while he was resting on the trunk after falling to the pond (end scene, before the duel). And I didn't hear it when it got just to a feet close to Dutch. Pred's aren't loud, that's for sure.
When did this momma's boy topic got this serious by the way? I thought it was a joke :D
if your a hunter you'd know stalking is a form of hunting. hunting for food or host, not for sport but still hunting. Plus it like tough to spot an alien sneaking up on you, when ever a pred gets close though it seems like the people know about but it still doesn't stop them from getting killed nontheless.
you are right about pred one it did sneak up quietly a few times. ;)
and i'm laughing about the moma joke thing i think its funny, if think i'm serious about it then your wrong. :P
Okay, you just sounded bloody serious, then I misunderstood you, sry ;D
But about hunting I don't see your point. Humans hunt for fun or food. Both of these aspects exist nowadays. Aliens are quite similar to the hunting for food aspect as they stalk upon their prey to amke it a host or kill it for food and survive with this. Predators differ from both aliens and humans. They don't hunt to survive, they do it for showing their strenght, prove themselves (of course the fun comes with this :D), and they are aware they can die during the 'process'. But they still do it. And we're talking about preds so we can't think about human standards only. That's why I said they cannot be compared this way. So okay, you can say an alien hunts, but then you have to find a different word to describe what predators do ;). And reverse too.
Quotewhen ever a pred gets close though it seems like the people know about but it still doesn't stop them from getting killed nontheless.
But of course! When your partner suddenly dies you assume not hyper-fast h1n1 killed him :). All who 'spotted' the pred knew there was something that killed their buddies. But they didn't know what or where it was. They didn't know about the pred itself.
ok i understand your point now. ;D
Alien are born super strong and awesome but preds have to train , so for example put a 1 year old alien vs 1 year old pred
Aliens rule, acid blood and little nibbler mouth ftw :P
Well id have to go with Predator, they are just soo amazing! That is ofcourse a single pred gets surronded by horde of ravaging, blood driven aliens then i would say it be the aliens there haha
Actually, after rewatching both Predator movies, I don't have a favourite species. I like them both equally for what they are, but I don't prefer one above the other.
Quote from: EatWheat on Feb 17, 2010, 02:53:16 PM
Alien are born super strong and awesome but preds have to train , so for example put a 1 year old alien vs 1 year old pred
Dude..... you're giving me BAD ideas!!! Do you realize that I'll draw it :D :D :D Beware!
Quote from: Lie1295 on Jan 17, 2010, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 17, 2010, 03:42:38 AM
They have evolved or been created so they are the perfect life form. intelligent, clever, sneaky, strong, fast, no sense of morality, able to adapt to almost anything, acid for blood, armored skin, able to climb on walls, and lastly able to take on traits of its host, to give it the best advantage on the planet or ship they are on. There's most likely a lot more reasons.
If you said that in Church i would stand up raise both arms and yell "Amen my brother, praise the lord, the xenomorph lord!!!" ;D
Just quoteing me and Lie, and yes I AM THE XENOMORPH LORD!!!!!!! :D I am worshiped in church now because of this lol. ;D
preds for me cause they have honor, aliens are just some creatures that all they do is kill kill killl, reproduce, killl kill and kill more. sure predators kill but its for a sport. its like hunting an animal, u do it for different reasons, the challenge, the trophy, etc. but when ur an alien its like hunting an animal for blood, then u keep killing the animals for blood. cause like aliens i dont even know if they eat, so i assume they just, i dont know...just to kill.
Definitely Alien as first choice, Pred as second. I played an Alien back in AvP2 and years later with the new game, it still has a strong appeal. I like the speed of the class, not to mention the regenerating health and the ability to get into places that the other classes can't.
Quote from: PhoenixSC on Feb 24, 2010, 01:56:53 PM
Definitely Alien as first choice, Pred as second. I played an Alien back in AvP2 and years later with the new game, it still has a strong appeal. I like the speed of the class, not to mention the regenerating health and the ability to get into places that the other classes can't.
Yeah. If only they could fix up that disc . . .
Anyway, one of the reasons I love the Alien so much is because it is a hunter in the most primal sense of the word. The Predator is like a modern day hunter. Case in point, the Runner Alien was simply a beast. That version simply defines the Alien for me. A fast, agile, unstoppable predator.
The Alien is the hunter; the Predator his prey.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Feb 24, 2010, 02:44:43 PM
Quote from: PhoenixSC on Feb 24, 2010, 01:56:53 PM
Definitely Alien as first choice, Pred as second. I played an Alien back in AvP2 and years later with the new game, it still has a strong appeal. I like the speed of the class, not to mention the regenerating health and the ability to get into places that the other classes can't.
Yeah. If only they could fix up that disc . . .
Anyway, one of the reasons I love the Alien so much is because it is a hunter in the most primal sense of the word. The Predator is like a modern day hunter. Case in point, the Runner Alien was simply a beast. That version simply defines the Alien for me. A fast, agile, unstoppable predator.
The Alien is the hunter; the Predator his prey.
Isn't it the other way around?
Anyway, Aliens are my favorite because they are just excellant at making you crap your pants. They are just bestial.
No, it isn't the other way. :)
I think it's both way. It changes constantly. Chuck Norris is an exception though. :D :D
Joke aside I really think it's not carved in stone. Once the alien, once the predator is the hunter.
I guess it does change frequently.
Remember. Destruction of each hunter is his pride.
;)
Aliens don't ever get killed because of pride.
They usually get killed due to use of technology which the alien(s) have no understanding of.
For example, they didn't realise the sentry turrets were a threat until they started firing in Aliens, or the alien didn't realise the airlock doors could be opened to suck it into space in Alien.
Aliens for me, I love the way the hive is run in a structual way and is kept in order. :)
To me Predator is cooler, but honestly I'm quite neutral when it comes to this because they both hunt humans for either sport or food. :(
I am so glad to see these aliens fans starting to come out here YAY!!!!!!!! Yes my brethen we shall destory these hunters and show them who is truely the superior life form!!!!! :D
Aliens rulz, predators drool. :D
Quote from: Darth Dude on Feb 27, 2010, 10:53:38 AM
Aliens rulz, predators drool.
Incorrect. Aliens rule
and drool. Predators simply get stabbed in the face.
I concur with that statement.
*Mwhahahahaha-hahahahaha-HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! BOOM!!!*
Just kidding, I'd never do soething like that :D
Don't kid yourself; of course you would. :)
No way! :) I'd buy some booze and invite my killer for a party before I die :D Or just think 'not this crap again' and bury myself in a sea of leaves.
Me Predator because Aliens dont stand a chance against a Predator even a low rank one the only way that the Alien would win is in a group. But they would still lose
Quote from: MostWanted95 on Feb 28, 2010, 03:55:26 AM
Me Predator because Aliens dont stand a chance against a Predator even a low rank one the only way that the Alien would win is in a group. But they would still lose
How so? Aliens dominate hand-to-hand, and can avoid the Predator's long range attacks. The Alien adapts to the environment with perfection; even in a brand new setting, the Alien can and will use everything around him to defeat his prey. As well, one of the Predator's major advantages, stealth, is
completely negated by the Alien. This means that, for a Predator, he needs to be incredibly clever to take down an Alien, and to take down about three, he'd need to utterly utilize every piece of his equipment in every way to win. Against larger groups? He's quite dead.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
I don't agree on that aliens dominate hand to hand. I think they are stronnger then predators (though I don't know it's extent; but predators haven't ripped open a steal door) but that doesn't necessarily mean dominance. Preds can observe and affect the battle with their intellect, more importantly their combat experience. That would be an advantage aliens they coildn't bring in, assuming they're simple, mindless killing machines. But they are not. So I think the importance of this is great, but aliens can balance this a bit. Though preds' projectiles aren't really easy to dodge.
QuoteThis means that, for a Predator, he needs to be incredibly clever to take down an Alien,
No, I think only average intellect and experience (that' not even here, but on higher levels) is needed. But one alien is the key for me. The gap between fighting one and two aliens is heaven and hell. Two aliens combine their attacks in a clever way, so normally a hunter would lost. For two, extremely high battle experienced is needed I think. For three too, but for a group (which I think is nearly impossible to defeat alone) a very intelligent and highly experienced hunter is needed.
All in all, I think one alien could easily kill a low rank predator in close combat, but a normal hunter could deal with an alien and reverse (I'd say 50:50), but against multiple enemies it would lose. With those only more battle hardened hunters could deal.
How did a franchise with this potential end up with us ever doubting the power of an Eldritch Abomination beyond human comprehension?
The argument should not be:
"Would an Alien or a Predator win?"
It should be:
"What tactics can a Predator use to defeat an Alien?"
Why?
Because the franchise itself implies it but fails to capitalise on the potential for truly impressive battles. Aliens may be the whipping boys in terms of the output material, but Predators are equally as let-down. Instead of being clever and resourceful, they're limited to be being humanised, bronze-age hero archetypes. Anderson had his faults but he got this right. Celtic is set up to defeat Grid, not due to his own strength, but due to his quick-thinking. In an instant, he thinks of using his netgun to trap Grid and it's only his arrogance afterwards that lets him down. That was tense, entertaining and a testament to the combat adaptability of both species.
The entire underlying concept of an Alien is its superiority. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility, and it's up to the Predators to overcome that. We rarely see that - we generally just see PUNCHURGHDEAD or BLAMBLAMBLAM. We don't see Aliens and Predators testing one-another's agility, cleverness, resourcefulness or creativity - at least, not often enough.
After all, Predators are elite hunters. Aliens are (probably) war-machines created via biotechnology for a lost but vastly superior race. Predators shouldn't want to have a stand-up fight with Aliens, because that's where Aliens are supposed to win via concept. Predators should win by using their hunting techniques, with emphasis on skill and judgement, not brute strength.
Eldritch Abomination. I love that. :)
@Alex, I can't add anything else. I approve. With great pleasure.
:)
Both of the species' capabilities are downplayed in the AVP movies, and it's a huge disservice for them. Ultimately the movie waters down every single aspect of what made the respectable franchises so entertaining, including both stripping down all the substance and character development, as well as key characteristics of inhuman creatures. It ends up being a cliched versus movie that we have been used to before for at least 50 years.
QuotePredators should win by using their hunting techniques, with emphasis on skill and judgement, not brute strength.
Well, I think I said that.
Well, my post started as a reply to you and then became a general rant, as happens.
:P
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 28, 2010, 10:13:59 AM
How did a franchise with this potential end up with us ever doubting the power of an Eldritch Abomination beyond human comprehension?
The argument should not be:
"Would an Alien or a Predator win?"
It should be:
"What tactics can a Predator use to defeat an Alien?"
Why?
Because the franchise itself implies it but fails to capitalise on the potential for truly impressive battles. Aliens may be the whipping boys in terms of the output material, but Predators are equally as let-down. Instead of being clever and resourceful, they're limited to be being humanised, bronze-age hero archetypes. Anderson had his faults but he got this right. Celtic is set up to defeat Grid, not due to his own strength, but due to his quick-thinking. In an instant, he thinks of using his netgun to trap Grid and it's only his arrogance afterwards that lets him down. That was tense, entertaining and a testament to the combat adaptability of both species.
The entire underlying concept of an Alien is its superiority. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility, and it's up to the Predators to overcome that. We rarely see that - we generally just see PUNCHURGHDEAD or BLAMBLAMBLAM. We don't see Aliens and Predators testing one-another's agility, cleverness, resourcefulness or creativity - at least, not often enough.
After all, Predators are elite hunters. Aliens are (probably) war-machines created via biotechnology for a lost but vastly superior race. Predators shouldn't want to have a stand-up fight with Aliens, because that's where Aliens are supposed to win via concept. Predators should win by using their hunting techniques, with emphasis on skill and judgement, not brute strength.
Incredibly eloquent, spot on, and delivers a good deal of "
owned, biatch!". You, sir, are my hero. If you'll excuse me, I'll be off in the corner, weeping with joy.
Predators!!
it would be like choosing between a human with advanced weapons.. and oversized roaches!!
simple! :P
ppl wont agree but...aliens as a species :overrated! :'(
....the movies were brilliant though! ;D
The Eldritch Abomination is an oversized roach?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 28, 2010, 06:42:39 PM
The Eldritch Abomination is an oversized roach?
Didn't you get the memo? Scott himself recently stated that he was utterly incorrect in his portrayal of the Alien as a killing machine. He said if he had to do it again, he'd fix it so that it would be true to our lord and savior film, Requiem, and that he would make the Alien be incompetent on its own, so he'd make hundreds swarm the ship. After all, that
is how many Aliens it would take to kill
anything, because they're just stupid, mindless bugs.
. . . Right?
Hm... I guess I didn't get the memo.
Quote from: EatWheat on Feb 17, 2010, 02:53:16 PM
Alien are born super strong and awesome but preds have to train , so for example put a 1 year old alien vs 1 year old pred
You'd pit a baby against a killing machine? Very cruel.
Quote from: Rahul on Feb 28, 2010, 05:45:26 PM
Predators!!
it would be like choosing between a human with advanced weapons.. and oversized roaches!!
simple! :P
ppl wont agree but...aliens as a species :overrated! :'(
....the movies were brilliant though! ;D
A single xenomorph killed the crew of an entire spaceship (minus one person, who basically got lucky). A second one wiped out most of a prison. When actually portrayed right, they're much more than space bugs.
As for Predators, both of the main Predators in the first two Predator movies were undone by overconfidence. A fight between a pred and a xenomorph that portrayed them properly would be far closer than they showed in AvP, let alone AvP:R, in which the directors basically admitted to ruining the xenomorphs simply because they didn't like them. :-\
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Feb 28, 2010, 11:37:55 PM
Quote from: EatWheat on Feb 17, 2010, 02:53:16 PM
Alien are born super strong and awesome but preds have to train , so for example put a 1 year old alien vs 1 year old pred
You'd pit a baby against a killing machine? Very cruel.
I sure as f**k would! :P
Quote from: Navaha on Mar 01, 2010, 06:56:55 AM
Quote from: Rahul on Feb 28, 2010, 05:45:26 PM
Predators!!
it would be like choosing between a human with advanced weapons.. and oversized roaches!!
simple! :P
ppl wont agree but...aliens as a species :overrated! :'(
....the movies were brilliant though! ;D
A single xenomorph killed the crew of an entire spaceship (minus one person, who basically got lucky). A second one wiped out most of a prison. When actually portrayed right, they're much more than space bugs.
As for Predators, both of the main Predators in the first two Predator movies were undone by overconfidence. A fight between a pred and a xenomorph that portrayed them properly would be far closer than they showed in AvP, let alone AvP:R, in which the directors basically admitted to ruining the xenomorphs simply because they didn't like them. :-\
uh....ok then oversized roaches with an appetite....
and abt wolf killing the cough ...roaches..cough...kinda gave me the satisfaction i needed... after grid throwin preds with its "TAIL"! >:(
and paul anderson preferred aliens so....
And absolutely everyone has who's had their hands on the AvP franchise has preferred Predators.
Point?
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 01, 2010, 12:06:55 PM
And absolutely everyone has who's had their hands on the AvP franchise has preferred Predators.
Are you sure, Alex? :-\
I would not want to be preferred in this way. No way... :-\
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 01, 2010, 12:11:05 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 01, 2010, 12:06:55 PM
And absolutely everyone has who's had their hands on the AvP franchise has preferred Predators.
Are you sure, Alex? :-\
I would not want to be preferred in this way. No way... :-\
so u like the aliens huh?
the profile pic is misleading then..... >:(
I love both sides of this equation. Fairly. Justly.
Don't think the appearances, Rahul, it's misleading ... ;)
Either way, taking a side doesn't mean you have to judge unfairly.
I prefer Aliens.
Doesn't mean I can't see the strengths of the Predators and the appeal they hold to others.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 01, 2010, 12:33:32 PM
Either way, taking a side doesn't mean you have to judge unfairly.
I prefer Aliens.
Doesn't mean I can't see the strengths of the Predators and the appeal they hold to others.
Point ...but I(atleast)...dont "choose a side" without reason...
why do u think Schumacher has more fans...?he's the best!
Given how heavily the Alien canon and core concept is subverted in almost everything to do with AvP, "best" and "worst" aren't measurable, even if there was ever a true outcome to be had.
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 01, 2010, 01:15:35 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 01, 2010, 12:33:32 PM
Either way, taking a side doesn't mean you have to judge unfairly.
I prefer Aliens.
Doesn't mean I can't see the strengths of the Predators and the appeal they hold to others.
Point ...but I(atleast)...dont "choose a side" without reason...
why do u think Schumacher has more fans...?he's the best!
Nope, Rahul. ;)
Loving Preds is easier. It's simple, doesn't need thinking.
Not as much as Xenos, which require effort and a deep understanding of philosophy. Number of fans doesn't prove anything. Choices of the masses are always random. ;) And it's not statistically reliable sample. ;)
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 01, 2010, 01:20:08 PM
Given how heavily the Alien canon and core concept is subverted in almost everything to do with AvP, "best" and "worst" aren't measurable, even if there was ever a true outcome to be had.
"best" didn't apply on a/p...but on schumacher.. :)
Cooler, stronger, and having brain would!! ;)
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 01, 2010, 01:20:27 PM
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 01, 2010, 01:15:35 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 01, 2010, 12:33:32 PM
Either way, taking a side doesn't mean you have to judge unfairly.
I prefer Aliens.
Doesn't mean I can't see the strengths of the Predators and the appeal they hold to others.
Point ...but I(atleast)...dont "choose a side" without reason...
why do u think Schumacher has more fans...?he's the best!
Nope, Rahul. ;)
Loving Preds is easier. It's simple, doesn't need thinking.
Not as much as Xenos, which require effort and a deep understanding of philosophy. Number of fans doesn't prove anything. Choices of the masses are always random. ;) And it's not statistically reliable sample. ;)
uh....easier ..? yes! ;)
number of fans ..? i thought the aliens have more ..right?
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 01, 2010, 01:24:27 PM
Cooler, stronger, and having brain would!! ;)
Cooler? Debatable. Entirely subjective.
Stronger? Aliens win this one by a significant margin.
Having a brain? Aliens have worked out how to set traps and use human technology at hours old. One Alien cut the power to a human installation at three weeks old. Spike blew out candles, because he knew it'd lure his prey in closer.
You see the Aliens as disposable cannon fodder for the Predators. This is not the case at all.
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 01, 2010, 01:27:48 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 01, 2010, 01:20:27 PM
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 01, 2010, 01:15:35 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 01, 2010, 12:33:32 PM
Either way, taking a side doesn't mean you have to judge unfairly.
I prefer Aliens.
Doesn't mean I can't see the strengths of the Predators and the appeal they hold to others.
Point ...but I(atleast)...dont "choose a side" without reason...
why do u think Schumacher has more fans...?he's the best!
Nope, Rahul. ;)
Loving Preds is easier. It's simple, doesn't need thinking.
Not as much as Xenos, which require effort and a deep understanding of philosophy. Number of fans doesn't prove anything. Choices of the masses are always random. ;) And it's not statistically reliable sample. ;)
uh....easier ..? yes! ;)
number of fans ..? i thought the aliens have more ..right?
In this site? Not exactly. See above - poll:
Aliens 309
Preds 350
Not numbers are important, but... quality. ;)
And this, what we can find in both AvP has nothing to do with any quality. :-\
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 01, 2010, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 01, 2010, 01:24:27 PM
Cooler, stronger, and having brain would!! ;)
Cooler? Debatable. Entirely subjective.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 01, 2010, 01:31:50 PM
Stronger? Aliens win this one by a significant margin.
I beg to differ...the movies portrayl was bad!! i hate anderson for that!!!!
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 01, 2010, 01:31:50 PM
Having a brain? Aliens have worked out how to set traps and use human technology at hours old. One Alien cut the power to a human installation at three weeks old. Spike blew out candles, because he knew it'd lure his prey in closer.
You see the Aliens as disposable cannon fodder for the Predators. This is not the case at all.
Space travel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"set traps and use human technology at hours old. One Alien cut the power to a human installation at three weeks old". "Spike blew out candles", "because he knew it'd lure his prey in closer".
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 01, 2010, 01:39:02 PM
I beg to differ...the movies portrayl was bad!! i hate anderson for that!!!!
It doesn't have anything to do with Anderson. Aliens have bashed through inches-thick steel doors - some of which were designed for military use and to be airtight (such as on the Auriga in A:R). They've lifted people with one arm while very quickly disappearing into the darkness.
Anderson's portrayal was fine in that particular battle, anyway. There's no evidence that begins to suggest that Predators are stronger.
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 01, 2010, 01:39:02 PMSpace travel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>set traps and use human technology at hours old.
Aliens don't develop technology because they don't need it. What use is a spacecraft to them? They can just hibernate until potential hosts show up or hitch a ride.
Besides, intelligence isn't measured as one amorphous entity, and the Alien's extremely fast rate of learning suggests a massive capacity for critical thinking.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 01, 2010, 01:44:50 PM
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 01, 2010, 01:39:02 PM
I beg to differ...the movies portrayl was bad!! i hate anderson for that!!!!
It doesn't have anything to do with Anderson. Aliens have bashed through inches-thick steel doors - some of which were designed for military use and to be airtight (such as on the Auriga in A:R). They've lifted people with one arm while very quickly disappearing into the darkness.
Anderson's portrayal was fine in that particular battle, anyway. There's no evidence that begins to suggest that Predators are stronger.
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 01, 2010, 01:39:02 PMSpace travel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>set traps and use human technology at hours old.
Aliens don't develop technology because they don't need it. What use is a spacecraft to them? They can just hibernate until potential hosts show up or hitch a ride.
Besides, intelligence isn't measured as one amorphous entity, and the Alien's extremely fast rate of learning suggests a massive capacity for critical thinking.
They dont need it?..or elz they would? :D
"intelligence isn't measured as one amorphous entity": then?
"There's no evidence that begins to suggest that Predators are stronger. " absence of proof is not a proof of absence!
There is, however, evidence to suggest that Aliens are stronger, which I outlined above.
I think aliens are cool as hell. :)
But in a fight the Predator would win.
Aliens , minus Kanes son , have shown animal level intelligence and rely on instincts.
Lets say a Lion represents and alien and me with a shot gun is the Predator.
I'd blow it away despite it being " stronger and faster " I have weapons. The Predators can create weapons so don't bash them.
The aiens are like animals who only rely on what they naturally have. Aliens have been felded by machine gun fire.
Predators have taken number machine gun shots.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 01, 2010, 02:33:05 PM
There is, however, evidence to suggest that Aliens are stronger, which I outlined above.
Well That's what i mean ......i hav a problem with the "CANON" stuff!!
let ME put it this way...
1.think of the original alien... :P
2.now the original predator.. 8)
3.Pit them against each other.... ;D
i dont care abt the following movies are"CANON" or not ...they both are original..i would like to put my own brain to use ..rather than have another set of directors/comic book writers trying to tell us wat's canon! they just try to cash in with either franchise's name
!! that's all!!!! 8)
Even just going off the originals, the Alien withstood a vacuum and pulled itself back toward the Narcissus. Plus it lifted Brett straight up in the tall room without losing speed.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 01, 2010, 03:23:31 PM
Even just going off the originals, the Alien withstood a vacuum and pulled itself back toward the Narcissus. Plus it lifted Brett straight up in the tall room without losing speed.
A vacuum withstanding alien doesn't mean it can survive wrist-blades/laser canon!!
brett was human...!
@Rahul. I tell you something, as a Pred-fan.
If Xenos would not be perfect, they would not be considered as ultimate Prey. But they are perfect. They are the embodiment of Black Warrior, hidden in the dark. Only the best can deal with it and survive. They are definition, which is measured by courage, martial art, and simply survival. They are a response to the ancient search for the meaning of excellence. They are drug, driving the race to the summit. They are equal. Otherwise, everything would be meaningless.
Reduction them to equipment of the dojo, to the aim for the plasma canon, it is simply blasphemy. Pride, which is the most dangerous enemy of every fighter.
Remember about Celtic, Scar or Chopper .... ;)
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 01, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
@Rahul. I tell you something, as a Pred-fan.
If Xenos would not be perfect, they would not be considered as ultimate Prey. But they are perfect. They are the embodiment of Black Warrior, hidden in the dark. Only the best can deal with it and survive. They are definition, which is measured by courage, martial art, and simply survival. They are a response to the ancient search for the meaning of excellence. They are drug, driving the race to the summit. They are equal. Otherwise, everything would be meaningless.
Reduction them to equipment of the dojo, to the aim for the plasma canon, it is simply blasphemy. Pride, which is the most dangerous enemy of every fighter.
Remember about Celtic, Scar or Chopper .... ;)
U r missing the point...!!! :-\
wat am saying dont tell me what the non-original movies tell u...
u as an individual think abt the ridley scott's and McTierna's version and weigh them !!!
U pred fan? dont think so!! :P
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 01, 2010, 04:26:06 PM
U r missing the point...!!! :-\
wat am saying dont tell me what the non-original movies tell u...
u as an individual think abt the ridley scott's and McTierna's version and weigh them !!!
U pred fan? dont think so!! :P
Non comments for this. Just non comments. :-\
Mr "I know the best".
People call it "conceit". ;)
Aliens are much more interesting than Predators.
Predators are too boring to me.
Well, I found predators a very mysterious race, and I have many questions about them. It's a matter of taste.
To the debate I'd like to say something.
@ Rahul
First those creatures can be compared, but clearly saying the hunter from p1 would defeat an alien like that would be a piece of cake... can be said, but lacks meaning. Even if you do the comparsion, there's the problem predators go after strong prey, which (according to p1) can kill them. So if you want to make any sense to the debate, you have to assume an alien has a chance to kill a predator. This way you could say a predator could kill an ewok, muhahahaha. Don't degrade my favourite creature!
You can't compare p1 and alien, it doesn't have a meaning again. The alien doesn't fight in that movie, it doesn't take any damage or a single attack. You can't know how much can it endure. So at least aliens must be concerned. (Or you can make concepts on your own, but in a debate like this that is irrelevant). Then, you know the facts about that film, so I'd be rather concerned with Predator 1. First: the shoulder canon can kill a human, when it hits it fully. Dutch didn't die, and the m-203 didn't fall to pieces. So one must assume it doesn't have the greatest devastating power. And it makes sense of course: is there a point in attacking a boar with a tactical missile? The wristblade didn't penetrate a rock. I hope you remember Aliens, and how much they endure. So according just this, and these movies it cannot be told, which of them would win. I don't have a solid opinion if just those two movies are concerned. I'd say predator, just because it can use hunting tactics and is smarter (and maybe as agile, but weaker) than an alien and I like that much more than alien :D. But it doesn't mean it can be deduced from those movies nor I underestimate aliens, that would be foolish. And would mean death (reference: p1, think). God, it's long. Listen to yourself:
Quotei would like to put my own brain to use
Will work, don't worry ;)
@Yeyinde. You perfectly summed up what I tried to explain. I hope that the more you will succeed.
Disregard for the opponent will always end in failure. Anytime ...
You're right, but it's hard to look past the context of the film. The Predators in 1 & 2 had to die for the sake of the script.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing a Pred kill everyone just for the sake of being anti-climatic.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 01, 2010, 10:33:16 PM
Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing a Pred kill everyone just for the sake of being anti-climatic.
I hope the same for the Ali- wait. That's already happened! Ha ha, silly me.
It did?
Alien 3. Only guy who survived was an extra that got a few lines towards the end, so I don't really hold him to much importance. If you want to get abstract you could say Aliens, as well, since the only survivors besides Ripley were killed off in the opening credits, and Ripley was killed near the end credits, but I don't exactly count that.
Morse is a supporting character right throughout the film - he's far from "an extra that got a few lines towards the end".
And Alien3 was also far from anti-climactic.
Quote from: SM on Mar 02, 2010, 12:04:38 AM
Morse is a supporting character right throughout the film - he's far from "an extra that got a few lines towards the end".
And Alien3 was also far from anti-climactic.
I was mainly referring to the part where everyone dies. Alien 3 is, indeed, very far from anti-climactic. And I apologize if I made a mistake with the categorization of the character; no matter how much I love the film and try to tell them apart, the prisoners still get jumbled up sometimes.
A common occurrence - even after nearly 20 years. ;D
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 01, 2010, 03:12:17 PM
I think aliens are cool as hell. :)
But in a fight the Predator would win.
Aliens , minus Kanes son , have shown animal level intelligence and rely on instincts.
Lets say a Lion represents and alien and me with a shot gun is the Predator.
I'd blow it away despite it being " stronger and faster " I have weapons. The Predators can create weapons so don't bash them.
The aiens are like animals who only rely on what they naturally have. Aliens have been felded by machine gun fire.
Predators have taken number machine gun shots.
I disagree with that analogy. A lion doesn't have a thick exoskeleton which is nigh impervious to standard rounds, a lion doesn't have the most corrosive substance known as a bodily fluid, a lion cannot break down metal bulkheads or lift a person without any visible effort, a lion cannot run on almost any surface, a lion cannot withstand temperatures in excess of 1000s of degrees centigrade, a lion doesn't have the intelligence or problem solving capabilities to figure out how to cut the power to a facility, and a lion cannot survive in the vacuum of space. Also, your machine gun comment is inaccurate. According to the films, standard rounds can only puncture if fired from point blank range, and even armour-piercing rounds are sometimes deflected off of the outer shell. Conversely, Predators have been shown to be vulnerable to standard rounds, as shown in the first film. Most of the bullets missed, but the few that made their target injured him enough to require medical action.
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 01, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
@Rahul. I tell you something, as a Pred-fan.
If Xenos would not be perfect, they would not be considered as ultimate Prey. But they are perfect. They are the embodiment of Black Warrior, hidden in the dark. Only the best can deal with it and survive. They are definition, which is measured by courage, martial art, and simply survival. They are a response to the ancient search for the meaning of excellence. They are drug, driving the race to the summit. They are equal. Otherwise, everything would be meaningless.
Reduction them to equipment of the dojo, to the aim for the plasma canon, it is simply blasphemy. Pride, which is the most dangerous enemy of every fighter.
Remember about Celtic, Scar or Chopper .... ;)
I love how eloquently you put things. :)
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 02, 2010, 02:16:00 AM
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 01, 2010, 03:12:17 PM
I think aliens are cool as hell. :)
But in a fight the Predator would win.
Aliens , minus Kanes son , have shown animal level intelligence and rely on instincts.
Lets say a Lion represents and alien and me with a shot gun is the Predator.
I'd blow it away despite it being " stronger and faster " I have weapons. The Predators can create weapons so don't bash them.
The aiens are like animals who only rely on what they naturally have. Aliens have been felded by machine gun fire.
Predators have taken number machine gun shots.
I disagree with that analogy. A lion doesn't have a thick exoskeleton which is nigh impervious to standard rounds, a lion doesn't have the most corrosive substance known as a bodily fluid, a lion cannot break down metal bulkheads or lift a person without any visible effort, a lion cannot run on almost any surface, a lion cannot withstand temperatures in excess of 1000s of degrees centigrade, and a lion cannot survive in the vacuum of space. Also, your machine gun comment is inaccurate. According to the films, standard rounds can only puncture if fired from point blank range, and even armour-piercing rounds are sometimes deflected off of the outer shell. Conversely, Predators have been shown to be vulnerable to standard rounds, as shown in the first film. Most of the bullets missed, but the few that made their target injured him enough to require medical action.
You forgot that lions can't cut the power.
And they dont have a Hive mentality
Ah, yes. I'll add intelligence.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 01, 2010, 08:27:51 PM
Well, I found predators a very mysterious race, and I have many questions about them. It's a matter of taste.
To the debate I'd like to say something.
@ Rahul
First those creatures can be compared, but clearly saying the hunter from p1 would defeat an alien like that would be a piece of cake... can be said, but lacks meaning. Even if you do the comparsion, there's the problem predators go after strong prey, which (according to p1) can kill them. So if you want to make any sense to the debate, you have to assume an alien has a chance to kill a predator. This way you could say a predator could kill an ewok, muhahahaha. Don't degrade my favourite creature!
You can't compare p1 and alien, it doesn't have a meaning again. The alien doesn't fight in that movie, it doesn't take any damage or a single attack. You can't know how much can it endure. So at least aliens must be concerned. (Or you can make concepts on your own, but in a debate like this that is irrelevant). Then, you know the facts about that film, so I'd be rather concerned with Predator 1. First: the shoulder canon can kill a human, when it hits it fully. Dutch didn't die, and the m-203 didn't fall to pieces. So one must assume it doesn't have the greatest devastating power. And it makes sense of course: is there a point in attacking a boar with a tactical missile? The wristblade didn't penetrate a rock. I hope you remember Aliens, and how much they endure. So according just this, and these movies it cannot be told, which of them would win. I don't have a solid opinion if just those two movies are concerned. I'd say predator, just because it can use hunting tactics and is smarter (and maybe as agile, but weaker) than an alien and I like that much more than alien :D. But it doesn't mean it can be deduced from those movies nor I underestimate aliens, that would be foolish. And would mean death (reference: p1, think). God, it's long. Listen to yourself:Quotei would like to put my own brain to use
Will work, don't worry ;)
aahhhhhhh!!!!!!
guess my posts/points/ were a bouncer to u!
Back to square one for u!
guess i'll hav to self destruct!
Uh oh. *runs for cover*
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 01, 2010, 08:27:51 PM
"You can't compare p1 and alien, it doesn't have a meaning again"
eh.... ????.......huh.........?...??????? Why...?
Quoteeh.... ????.......huh.........?...??????? Why...?
As I said, because the alien in that movie doesn't fight, or take any real attack. It's speed is not represented well (except for the scene wit Dallas), only it's strenght. That's the only thing you can rely on. Every other aspects must be assumptions, which cannot be reliable in your case, when you state the pred would kill an alien easily imo. That's why you need at least Aliens I think.
No, your posts weren't bouncers. I see what you're telling, but I think you should put more effort to it before stating such a radical statement. That's all, and it's only what I think. An opinion. You don't need to self destruct.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 02, 2010, 06:11:21 AM
Quoteeh.... ????.......huh.........?...??????? Why...?
As I said, because the alien in that movie doesn't fight, or take any real attack. It's speed is not represented well (except for the scene wit Dallas), only it's strenght. That's the only thing you can rely on. Every other aspects must be assumptions, which cannot be reliable in your case, when you state the pred would kill an alien easily imo. That's why you need at least Aliens I think.
No, your posts weren't bouncers. I see what you're telling, but I think you should put more effort to it before stating such a radical statement. That's all, and it's only what I think. An opinion. You don't need to self destruct.
U do realise that assumption is wat created "AVP" ...right?
i would hav considered all of avp universe rightly canon if
ridley and McTiernan or the creature designers collaborate/shared some thoughts together/watever...i mean ..they created them! so wat they tell ..is CANON! ..IMHO
Going by just the original movies, Predators probably wouldn't bother hunting Aliens anyway.
The only reason they got together in the first place was Aliens being an action movie.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 02, 2010, 06:47:33 AM
Going by just the original movies, Predators probably wouldn't bother hunting Aliens anyway.
The only reason they got together in the first place was Aliens being an action movie.
If i'm lying am dyin...BELIEVE ME... :)
i thought of the crossover before i knew it already existed!!
Right. You saw Alien, then Predator - completely missing Aliens - and thought they should go together?
Uh-huh.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 02, 2010, 08:01:36 AM
Right. You saw Alien, then Predator - completely missing Aliens - and thought they should go together?
Uh-huh.
Nope smarty pants....like i said earlier..i wasn't born when alien/aliens came out! i Saw the predator first...
all of the movies(a/p) viewed on cable/vhs...
i watched the alien series much later!!
Done interrogating????
His point wasn't the order in which you watch the movies - his point was that the first movies of each franchise don't really seem that compatible.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 02, 2010, 10:13:00 AM
His point wasn't the order in which you watch the movies - his point was that the first movies of each franchise don't really seem that compatible.
Yeah...but my post was no contradictory!!
compatible?/or not? according to whom?
Genre boundaries.
This thread becomes pointless.
None of us is able to prove that one or the other side is better. Because it is not better.
We can only prove what we, personally, like more and what for us, personally is more fascinating. But it doesn't mean that it's the best. It could be only the best for me.
De gustibus non est disputandum, IMHO. ;)
You know how it is when someone talks nonsense and that nonsense gets in the way of your own opinion on every level...
It's like an itch you want to scratch with bullets.
or with Wristblades.
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 02, 2010, 11:27:00 AM
or with Wristblades.
Screw that, I'll fix it with my inner jaws.
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 02, 2010, 10:19:13 AM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 02, 2010, 10:13:00 AM
His point wasn't the order in which you watch the movies - his point was that the first movies of each franchise don't really seem that compatible.
Yeah...but my post was no contradictory!!
compatible?/or not? according to whom?
well alien is a horror sc-fi, and predator is an action film, 2 totally unlikely genres crossing....
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 02, 2010, 11:01:32 AM
You know how it is when someone talks nonsense and that nonsense gets in the way of your own opinion on every level...
It's like an itch you want to scratch with bullets.
meaning "UR OPINION"?
Although my opinion is supported by canonical sources. You're just whipping out your opinion and disregarding Alien canon at your convenience.
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 02, 2010, 01:34:24 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 02, 2010, 11:01:32 AM
You know how it is when someone talks nonsense and that nonsense gets in the way of your own opinion on every level...
It's like an itch you want to scratch with bullets.
meaning "UR OPINION"?
Not only... Rahul, can't you see it? :-\ (*deep breath*)
@Alex, I understand. Perfectly...
(nuke from orbit works always perfect ;))
I just imagined a Predator nuking an Alien from orbit.
It consisted of him activating his wrist bomb and blasting himself out of the gun of a Predator battleship.
I was most pleased. :D
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 02, 2010, 01:42:04 PM
I just imagined a Predator nuking an Alien from orbit.
It consisted of him activating his wrist bomb and blasting himself out of the gun of a Predator battleship.
I was most pleased. :D
Nuking it's always the last choice. Never by choice. You know, no trophies... ;)
Then it'll just fire itself out of an orbital cannon pointing its wristblades forward, then. :P
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 02, 2010, 01:35:37 PM
Although my opinion is supported by canonical sources. You're just whipping out your opinion and disregarding Alien canon at your convenience.
Well....ur opinion might be so....but am not disregarding alien...even if i am ..its my opnion...
and u can't blame me for wanting something elz ....tis' just me!
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 02, 2010, 01:49:26 PM
Then it'll just fire itself out of an orbital cannon pointing its wristblades forward, then. :P
Hmmmm... Nice picture.... Interesting... It could look like a dream...
(imagination begins its work)
wow...
Eternal flight... into infinity...
If no nuke, then ignoring. Sometimes it works effectively. ;)
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 02, 2010, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 02, 2010, 01:34:24 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 02, 2010, 11:01:32 AM
You know how it is when someone talks nonsense and that nonsense gets in the way of your own opinion on every level...
It's like an itch you want to scratch with bullets.
meaning "UR OPINION"?
Not only... Rahul, can't you see it? :-\ (*deep breath*)
@Alex, I understand. Perfectly...
(nuke from orbit works always perfect ;))
key:ignorance redefined!
ignorant coz ..i dont know if ur pretending to understand my posts or dont want to!!
QuoteWell That's what i mean ......i hav a problem with the "CANON" stuff!!
let ME put it this way...
1.think of the original alien... :P
2.now the original predator.. 8)
3.Pit them against each other.... ;D
i dont care abt the following movies are"CANON" or not ...they both are original..i would like to put my own brain to use ..rather than have another set of directors/comic book writers trying to tell us wat's canon! they just try to cash in with either franchise's name
!! that's all!!!! 8)
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 02, 2010, 06:45:30 AM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 02, 2010, 06:11:21 AM
Quoteeh.... ????.......huh.........?...??????? Why...?
As I said, because the alien in that movie doesn't fight, or take any real attack. It's speed is not represented well (except for the scene wit Dallas), only it's strenght. That's the only thing you can rely on. Every other aspects must be assumptions, which cannot be reliable in your case, when you state the pred would kill an alien easily imo. That's why you need at least Aliens I think.
No, your posts weren't bouncers. I see what you're telling, but I think you should put more effort to it before stating such a radical statement. That's all, and it's only what I think. An opinion. You don't need to self destruct.
U do realise that assumption is wat created "AVP" ...right?
i would hav considered all of avp universe rightly canon if
ridley and McTiernan or the creature designers collaborate/shared some thoughts together/watever...i mean ..they created them! so wat they tell ..is CANON! ..IMHO
I'm talking abou this. Like you said, I'm not talking about canon, or avp movies etc. Just those originals, you wanted to compare, like you were suggesting in those posts. And seeing your comparsion idea and your former statement about how predators are superb than aliens led to my orogonal post to you.
That's all. I won't say more, or try to prove my point, since I love predators, and I won't try to prove that aliens can kill them. But simplifying, the creature I adore and and seemingly ignoring it's limits (dunno if you just don't care or don't know; wasn't intended as a pun) is something I couldn't ignore. They are much more complex than that.
But in the end humans always win btw. "Whoever wins...we nuke" as mentioned above.
Just kidding :) Those puny humans have no chance.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 02, 2010, 02:12:18 PM
QuoteWell That's what i mean ......i hav a problem with the "CANON" stuff!!
let ME put it this way...
1.think of the original alien... :P
2.now the original predator.. 8)
3.Pit them against each other.... ;D
i dont care abt the following movies are"CANON" or not ...they both are original..i would like to put my own brain to use ..rather than have another set of directors/comic book writers trying to tell us wat's canon! they just try to cash in with either franchise's name
!! that's all!!!! 8)
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 02, 2010, 06:45:30 AM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 02, 2010, 06:11:21 AM
Quoteeh.... ????.......huh.........?...??????? Why...?
As I said, because the alien in that movie doesn't fight, or take any real attack. It's speed is not represented well (except for the scene wit Dallas), only it's strenght. That's the only thing you can rely on. Every other aspects must be assumptions, which cannot be reliable in your case, when you state the pred would kill an alien easily imo. That's why you need at least Aliens I think.
No, your posts weren't bouncers. I see what you're telling, but I think you should put more effort to it before stating such a radical statement. That's all, and it's only what I think. An opinion. You don't need to self destruct.
U do realise that assumption is wat created "AVP" ...right?
i would hav considered all of avp universe rightly canon if
ridley and McTiernan or the creature designers collaborate/shared some thoughts together/watever...i mean ..they created them! so wat they tell ..is CANON! ..IMHO
I'm talking abou this. Like you said, I'm not talking about canon, or avp movies etc. Just those originals, you wanted to compare, like you were suggesting in those posts. And seeing your comparsion idea and your former statement about how predators are superb than aliens led to my orogonal post to you.
That's all. I won't say more, or try to prove my point, since I love predators, and I won't try to prove that aliens can kill them. But simplifying, the creature I adore and and seemingly ignoring it's limits (dunno if you just don't care or don't know; wasn't intended as a pun) is something I couldn't ignore. They are much more complex than that.
But in the end humans always win btw. "Whoever wins...we nuke" as mentioned above.
Just kidding :) Those puny humans have no chance.
complex..? it depends to whom! ;)
Just kidding!! ;)
Tired of fighting everyone!!!!
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 02, 2010, 01:53:34 PM
but am not disregarding alien
Yes you are.
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 02, 2010, 01:53:34 PM...even if i am ..its my opnion...
and u can't blame me for wanting something elz ....tis' just me!
You're welcome to your opinion - but it has no priority over anyone else's. You can't claim that things are a certain way without backing them up and expect other people to accept them.
Am I the only one, who, in hindsight, wishes there was an 'I like them both pretty much equally' option to this poll?
Quotecomplex..? it depends to whom! ;)
No, it's not kidding. There are people who try to simplifiy things. For them pred's simple. Poor them :D
Though saying they are not is funny, since their behaviour seems to be made up from much panels, and we don't know the backdround for it. See?
Fighting? Not at all. When you start bringing up arguments, we may be, though I prefer nice talking on internet ;)
Quote from: Kriszilla on Mar 02, 2010, 02:30:26 PM
Am I the only one, who, in hindsight, wishes there was an 'I like them both pretty much equally' option to this poll?
No, I assume :D
Quote from: Kriszilla on Mar 02, 2010, 02:30:26 PM
Am I the only one, who, in hindsight, wishes there was an 'I like them both pretty much equally' option to this poll?
Only fans firmly planted in one of the true camps are tr00.
You mean biased to a ridiculous degree?
In many cases.
Although to the credit of this forum, there are a fair few members planted in one camp or the other that give due consideration to both sides of the argument.
Very true, but sadly there aren't many.
Keylight comes to mind, and perhaps SM.
Quote from: Kriszilla on Mar 02, 2010, 02:45:12 PM
Very true, but sadly there aren't many.
Keylight comes to mind, and perhaps SM.
I'm here. Thank you... :)
Yea... We are unique... :-\
So I can't like both species equally? That suddenly prevents me from being a "true" fan? This is an Aliens AND Predator board, you know. ::) The only people that belong here are those that like both. >:( /stupidrant
And yes, I want a "lolboth" option... as well.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 02, 2010, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 02, 2010, 01:53:34 PM
but am not disregarding alien
Yes you are.
Quote from: Rahul on Mar 02, 2010, 01:53:34 PM...even if i am ..its my opnion...
and u can't blame me for wanting something elz ....tis' just me!
You're welcome to your opinion - but it has no priority over anyone else's. You can't claim that things are a certain way without backing them up and expect other people to accept them.
"claim things are a certain way"...i just think so...i dont mean to say all i say is true and canon!
i hav no priority over anyone else's opinion..No i dont..i didn't mean my posts to be taken that way!
...and i dont care if anyone accepts my opinions or not(meh!)!
no-one can force a opinion on others!!
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 02, 2010, 02:33:40 PM
Quotecomplex..? it depends to whom! ;)
No, it's not kidding. There are people who try to simplifiy things. For them pred's simple. Poor them :D
I made the mistake of over-simplifying when I first got here. All it led to was arguments and mean-spirits; never again. :(
I love both Predators and Aliens. I just happen to love Aliens more. I may seem like a crazed fanboy, but in most arguments I'm fairly neutral. I see that both sides have a few good points. The reason I don't join in is, well, what's the point of arguing neutrality in a debate? There isn't one. Thus, the only time I step in is when some rabid Predboy (no offense to my buddy Predboy himself, mind you) storms in and completely disregards everything ever established about the Alien in the only undisputed canonical sources (Alien Trilogy, Resurrection doesn't count because every argument posed there can be countered with "they're crossbred" and the AVP films simply aren't canonical). Thus, I seem psychotic (not in the anti-personality disorder literal sense) about the Alien and really biased. Which I suppose I am in situations like that.
. . . Which makes this entire post null. Oh well, I'm keeping it. I didn't just waste two minutes for nothing.
Two minutes? Wow! I wish I had an attention span that long. :(
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 02, 2010, 11:54:39 PM
Two minutes? Wow! I wish I had an attention span that long. :(
Oh, I know, it's awesome having- is that a butterfly? Oooh! Come back, Mr. Sprinkles! Come back! *Skips off to chase winged insect.*
This is all opinion based arguements.
There is no facts supporting which species is cooler. Or better.
You can try to argue which one would win in a fight ... thats it ... the rest of the arguements are based on opinion.
You can geniully use facts to support your opinion on that the alien or predator is better/cooler then the other but in the end ... its your opinoin. There is no wrong answer. I apologize for entering this thread my friends1
That's why the thread asks which you prefer, and why. It was completely based around opinions from the get-go.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 01:28:46 AM
That's why the thread asks which you prefer, and why. It was completely based around opinions from the get-go.
This. Nobody was asking -- or even wanted to see -- "facts" that proved one species "better" than the other.
... I hope.
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Mar 03, 2010, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 03, 2010, 01:28:46 AM
That's why the thread asks which you prefer, and why. It was completely based around opinions from the get-go.
This. Nobody was asking -- or even wanted to see -- "facts" that proved one species "better" than the other.
... I hope.
Whether anyone wanted that or not is irrelevant. because none exist.
Original source materials show aliens to be physiologically superior while predators have the advantage of experience, and technology.
So it comes out at pretty much an even balance.
Or it should, if a sane person is writing.
By which I mean not a fanboy. Of either creature.
i voted alien cause they are seriously cool mutherF**kerz and can clmb on anything and even though they would probably eat the pieces in a game of scrabble i reckon they would still be a challenge for example you'd have to make it unconscious without killing it which is almost impossible as it is but thenn would have to haul its heavy as hell body onto an unmovable chair and somehow strap it down without it escaping which also i reckon is almost impossible but if it were me i'd attempt to strap it on with supa glue and duck tape!!!!,
DUCK TAPE RULEZ!!
but i have to admit that if i hadn't known that an alien could ride a ship's landing gear (the alien queen in alien 2 or 3-can't remember)i would have definately have voted pred as they die in honour and fight in honour for their race and clan etc and if they succeed alright it was for a couple of trophies fair enough but i still love the fact if they don't win they blow the living sh*t outta everything in the immediate vicinity, which in my opinion is actually awesome!!
oh yeh and their faces are actually immense 2 downsides:
1. being they is UGLY!!
2. being even though they have those anti facehugger mandible thingies they are uselesss at using them as demonstrated in avp resulting in avp 2
I reckon if there's an avp 3 a pred needs to stick down and kill a alien with duck tape that would be IMMENSE!
Wow. You were all over the place with that post. :o
To say nothing of that tape that ducks use...
There's actually a brand of duct tape known as duck tape, I seem to recall, at least here in the UK.
Mostly because kids always used to call duct tape duck tape, I expect.
EDIT: Actually, seems it might be known as that due to its waterproofing properties, which were quite a leap when the stuff was first manufactured.
http://www.duckbrand.com/
There actually is a "Duck Tape."
It's more for aesthetics than actual usefulness. Duct tape wallets, etc.
Fantastic. Let's all go fu#king nuts with Duck Tape now, shall we?
Okay.
Put a man whos trained with the best martial artists all his life and give him a machete and a machine gun.
He'd own at least four aliens.
And having a hive mind means if you f' the queen you f' the hive.
And in Alien aliens weren't supposed to have hive minds that was Cam's idea to " Earthize " the aliens.
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 04, 2010, 08:54:05 PM
Okay.
Put a man whos trained with the best martial artists all his life and give him a machete and a machine gun.
He'd own at least four aliens.
And having a hive mind means if you f' the queen you f' the hive.
And in Alien aliens weren't supposed to have hive minds that was Cam's idea to " Earthize " the aliens.
You can't be serious.
I know! Not even a mention of Duck Tape!
Give the man duck tape and he'd pwn another half dozen Aliens.
Give a man a roll of duct tape and he'd have a Predator hog-tied and squealing like a bitch inside of twenty seconds. Hillbilly rape would follow soon thereafter.
What happens if you give an Alien some duck tape?
whats with you people and ducktape
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Mar 04, 2010, 10:45:20 PM
What happens if you give an Alien some duck tape?
Son you do not want to go there.
Doesn't 'Lambert' happen?
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Mar 04, 2010, 10:45:20 PM
What happens if you give an Alien some duck tape?
Indigestion.
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 04, 2010, 08:54:05 PM
Okay.
Put a man whos trained with the best martial artists all his life and give him a machete and a machine gun.
He'd own at least four aliens.
And having a hive mind means if you f' the queen you f' the hive.
And in Alien aliens weren't supposed to have hive minds that was Cam's idea to " Earthize " the aliens.
Oh, the naïvety! :D
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Mar 04, 2010, 10:45:20 PM
What happens if you give an Alien some duck tape?
It's like Deliverance, only much, much worse.
In Predator a Predator took machine gun fire at point blank range.
In Aliens , aliens took gun fire at 20 or so feet away, and were bashed against the wall!
I think this shows that if I had a gun and shot a Predator it would live. If I shot an Alien it would die.
The alien does survive having molten metal tossed upon it. But this contridicts with Aliens idea that a mere gun and kill an alien.
A mere gun can't. You'll notice the only reason Vasquez killed one with a 9mm handgun was because she pinned it to a wall and shot it at point blank range.
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 05, 2010, 02:30:31 AM
In Predator a Predator took machine gun fire at point blank range.
He got shot in the leg from 20 or so feet away.
Incidentally, the bullet went clean through the Predator's thigh.
QuoteIn Aliens , aliens took gun fire at 20 or so feet away, and were bashed against the wall!
From armour-piercing explosive tipped rounds fired from machine guns.
Hm. Predator gets hit with one bullet, doesn't fly away ... Aliens get hit with
dozens of
exploding,
armour-piercing bullets, fly away - Guess that makes Aliens weak!
QuoteIf I shot an Alien it would die.
Except for all those times when the bullets bounced off and did jack shit, whereas every bullet we've ever seen hit a Predator's skin has penetrated and drawn blood.
QuoteBut this contridicts with Aliens idea that a mere gun and kill an alien.
If you honestly think that the two situations are similar in the least, you really are a troll.
QuoteIn Predator a Predator took machine gun fire at point blank range.
It got shot by a single machine gun round.
At thirty feet.
In the leg.
QuoteIn Aliens , aliens took gun fire at 20 or so feet away, and were bashed against the wall!
In Aliens, Aliens took numerous machine gun bursts of explosive rounds to the head at ten feet and didn't flinch. This was from a gun two hundred years more advanced than anything we have now.
QuoteI think this shows that if I had a gun and shot a Predator it would live. If I shot an Alien it would die.
Actually, it shows that your argument has little ground to stand on. Well . . . aside from all those times the Predator was shot with our primitive weapons in less-critical areas and was severely wounded, and all those times that Aliens were shot in the head with guns multiple times as advanced as anything we currently have and shrugged it off, I guess you're right.
QuoteThe alien does survive having molten metal tossed upon it. But this contridicts with Aliens idea that a mere gun and kill an alien.
Oh, yes, being hit by explosive metal bullets flying faster than the speed of sound in the head is exactly like being placed in a twenty-ton pool of molten lead.
I'm not a troll!
Geez okay your right you are more educated in the Alien films then me it appears.
To be 100% honest to you I haven't seen Aliens recently so I got confused.
Lets say I didn't think they were similar i'd be a troll. If I do then I really am a troll.
Okay the aliens are more resilant. They are stronger. Fair enough.
The Predators have Plasma casters. ... They can easily take out a lot of aliens with one plasma caster.
Isn't it funny how its always 1 - 5 Predators vs. 100s of aliens and it is usually a close fight?
Aliens greatest strength has been numbers since Aliens.
Lets see how long one alien would last against the marines in Aliens. It wouldn't last very long.
You're not trolling, but you're double posting and that's just as bad.
Ah my mistake.
I think i'm going to leave this thread for a while on my above posts. ;).
No biggie, just edit the previous post if what you want to say is immediately following your previous thought. Just easier to read that way.
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 05, 2010, 03:00:27 AM
Aliens greatest strength has been numbers since Aliens.
Lets see how long one alien would last against the marines in Aliens. It wouldn't last very long.
If it used ambush tactics like the one in Alien it would probably take a few marines out before it was killed.
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 05, 2010, 03:00:27 AM
Lets see how long one alien would last against the marines in Aliens. It wouldn't last very long.
Which is why, in
Alien: Resurrection, 50 men-at-arms evacuated an entire battleship because six Aliens escaped.
...and a Queen.
The Queen never left her chamber, she was busy laying eggs, and then later gestating the Newborn.
just quickly post my opinion of the main purpose of this thread.
I love both, but aliens just edge it out for me.
Preds are cool and all, but I've always preferred the alien movies, perhaps it is because I'm a SF fan and the alien series has more SF elements, but everything about aliens are cooler, their design is so beautiful,
I'm actually pretty surprised that Predator is winning on the poll.
i reckon whoever did the predator hog roast idea with "duct tape" (i'm an idiot and spelt it wrong last time) followed by hillbilly rape is smart that should definately be in the next avp!!
I think that the Alien movies are better films, but I chose predator, because... Well... THEIR BADASS.
Yautja of course. Why? Their tech, honor, way of life, hunting, killing. Beeing able to operate space ships. And most of all their very awesome look.
They're both cool creatures. And both have their appeals and parts that are stupid about them.
Who's Stronger? The alien I think. In Alien 3 it broke free of melton lead. Seriously.
Who's more Agile? The alien. It is designed as being agile whilst the Predator is a humanoid.
Who's more Intelligent? Well the Predators have technology and a culture so i'd go with them. Not to say aliens are below human intelligents they're just don't need technology.
Who is more Durable? This is debatable. The alien would win because it survives the vacuum of space. But the Predator survived being forzen partially with liquid nirtogen , shot twice with a shot gun and survived a 20 foot wall and then getting its organs cut up for several minutes before being killed by Harrigan in Predator 2.
Who's Cooler - well like I said they're both cool - right?
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 07, 2010, 05:45:50 PM
They're both cool creatures. And both have their appeals and parts that are stupid about them.
Who's Stronger? The alien I think. In Alien 3 it broke free of melton lead. Seriously.
Who's more Agile? The alien. It is designed as being agile whilst the Predator is a humanoid.
Who's more Intelligent? Well the Predators have technology and a culture so i'd go with them. Not to say aliens are below human intelligents they're just don't need technology.
Who is more Durable? This is debatable. The alien would win because it survives the vacuum of space. But the Predator survived being forzen partially with liquid nirtogen , shot twice with a shot gun and survived a 20 foot wall and then getting its organs cut up for several minutes before being killed by Harrigan in Predator 2.
Who's Cooler - well like I said they're both cool - right?
Right! ;D
IMO Xenos are more durable. They can survive being in space, absolute cold and vacuum. I don't know that Preds could endure this.
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 07, 2010, 05:45:50 PM
They're both cool creatures. And both have their appeals and parts that are stupid about them.
Who's Stronger? The alien I think. In Alien 3 it broke free of melton lead. Seriously.
Who's more Agile? The alien. It is designed as being agile whilst the Predator is a humanoid.
Who's more Intelligent? Well the Predators have technology and a culture so i'd go with them. Not to say aliens are below human intelligents they're just don't need technology.
Who is more Durable? This is debatable. The alien would win because it survives the vacuum of space. But the Predator survived being forzen partially with liquid nirtogen , shot twice with a shot gun and survived a 20 foot wall and then getting its organs cut up for several minutes before being killed by Harrigan in Predator 2.
Who's Cooler - well like I said they're both cool - right?
Aliens ain't got no funk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-39Zz-pha6c
I can only choose one? I like both, though the Aliens have been in more crappier films, but that's unfair, as they've appeared in six to the Predator's four.
Both Aliens and Predators have starred in one shit film. others are fantastic.
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 07, 2010, 05:45:50 PM
getting its organs cut up for several minutes before being killed by Harrigan in Predator 2.
Who's Cooler - well like I said they're both cool - right?
Not sure I'd count that seeing as how it couldn't really do much.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 01:36:48 PM
Both Aliens and Predators have starred in one shit film. others are fantastic.
Which ones specifically?
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 08, 2010, 02:51:28 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 01:36:48 PM
Both Aliens and Predators have starred in one shit film. others are fantastic.
Which ones specifically?
I would also like to know
The one and the only shit film they share: here (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758730/) ;)
I didn't even have to click it I could smell AVPR oozing from the link.
The only thing that film got right was the strength of the Predalien
I see another bad movie in the franchise...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi825.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz171%2F08mkartin%2F551149x.jpg&hash=1603990e8c857de412aba8b55a4986974824017a)
Yeah, we lost...
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 06:38:13 PM
The one and the only shit film they share: here (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758730/) ;)
Agreed. Such shameless piece of... you know.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 08, 2010, 07:27:48 PM
I see another bad movie in the franchise...
http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz171/08mkartin/551149x.jpg
Yeah, we lost...
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 06:38:13 PM
The one and the only shit film they share: here (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758730/) ;)
Such a limp wristed movie, PG-13 play-it-safe, fat Predator, super aging Xenomorph, Dino Queen, Cardboard humans, Ripley-wannabe lead. Not as offensive as AVP:R or Alien Resurrection, but ultimately diluted, watch-it-in-a-Mystery-Theatre way kind of movie. The Alien and Predator fell far.
Agreed. Such shameless piece of... you know.
QuoteThe Queen never left her chamber, she was busy laying eggs, and then later gestating the Newborn.
The Queen did leave her chamber - she was in a cage earlier then later encountered in a wastetank.
For what it's worth.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 08, 2010, 07:27:48 PM
I see another bad movie in the franchise...
http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz171/08mkartin/551149x.jpg
Yeah, we lost...
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2010, 06:38:13 PM
The one and the only shit film they share: here (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758730/) ;)
Agreed. Such shameless piece of... you know.
Both films sucked.
What they need to do is start over and make like Alien vs Predator... Evolution Chronicles or something so people know its not following the story of Requiem, and as we all know it should be set far in the future. And they need to stop hyping the Predalien its a natural part of AVP in fact its the only thing you can tell is gonna happen from just reading the title. If you have watched Alien and Aliens you know there life cycle, they take the enemies numbers and turn it to their advantage.
Breed Grow Domination
And the whole Predator temples it was a good idea don't get me wrong but "move on". The problem with setting it on earth is that the Aliens cant win how many of you would like to see a film were the Aliens win, I think it would be a nice change it is Aliens Vs Predator after all. Being a Candidate Alien can win, is a film where Predator's wins so out of the question either why is it that man must always win at everything are we that insecure as a species that we cant have a film were we lose.
I think a twist ending would be great e.g. a person emerges from the rubble as the only survive *sound of a Plasma Caster firing* The End or something like a facehugger jumps on to the screen. What I'm trying to say is give it something like the Deep Rising ending were they survived but they not in the clear just yet.
Yes, AvP is bad if you compare it to the original Alien Quadrilogy. But it is a nice enjoyable little Action flick. it hasn't the deepness of the Alien franchis but c'mon... it's a crossover.
Quote
PG-13 play-it-safe, fat Predator, super aging Xenomorph, Dino Queen, Cardboard humans, Ripley-wannabe lead
Don't see a problem with that, since you can introduce both monsters safely; Muscles and armor =/= fat; minor detail and easily explainable; just because the Queen is big doesn't mean it is qualified as a "Dino"; Weyland says otherwise; Because the one in AvP:R was completely different, huh? :P
Predator. Just love the concept. Plus, there's not one bad film in the series yet:
Predator - 9/10
Predator 2 - 7/10
Predators - ?
Quote from: DeadCities on Mar 08, 2010, 01:59:43 AM
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 07, 2010, 05:45:50 PM
They're both cool creatures. And both have their appeals and parts that are stupid about them.
Who's Stronger? The alien I think. In Alien 3 it broke free of melton lead. Seriously.
Who's more Agile? The alien. It is designed as being agile whilst the Predator is a humanoid.
Who's more Intelligent? Well the Predators have technology and a culture so i'd go with them. Not to say aliens are below human intelligents they're just don't need technology.
Who is more Durable? This is debatable. The alien would win because it survives the vacuum of space. But the Predator survived being forzen partially with liquid nirtogen , shot twice with a shot gun and survived a 20 foot wall and then getting its organs cut up for several minutes before being killed by Harrigan in Predator 2.
Who's Cooler - well like I said they're both cool - right?
Aliens ain't got no funk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-39Zz-pha6c
Don't be so sure about that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4aE__sxMmQ
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 09, 2010, 01:15:33 PM
...just because the Queen is big doesn't mean it is qualified as a "Dino"...
She looked like a dino because she had a very muscular structure and the legs were better suited for running than in Aliens.
Legs were structured like that because if the bigger size. The Queen in Aliens is younger, and maybe the Queen from AVP had freed herself from the sack multiple times before being captured.
QuoteMuscles and armor =/= fat;
They look like giant rubber figures with oversized chests. It's not fat, armor or muscle, but pure tastelessness.
QuoteYes, AvP is bad if you compare it to the original Alien Quadrilogy. But it is a nice enjoyable little Action flick. it hasn't the deepness of the Alien franchis but c'mon... it's a crossover.
And it's piece of crap compared to the predator films. And being a crossover doesn't mean it has to ruin things and be unimaginative. It wasn't enjoyable for me.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 09, 2010, 01:15:33 PMDon't see a problem with that, since you can introduce both monsters safely; Muscles and armor =/= fat; minor detail and easily explainable; just because the Queen is big doesn't mean it is qualified as a "Dino"; Weyland says otherwise; Because the one in AvP:R was completely different, huh? :P
Look at the Queen in Aliens, then in AVP. The Queen in Aliens is biomechanical, oddly jointed, whereas the Queen in AVP is spined with completely different legs, chest etc, the best comparison would be the Spinosaurus(?) in JP3. http://www.jamescamerononline.com/AlienQueen.htm Look closely at the designs, I love the movement of the Queen in Aliens, in AVP it's a T-Rex stalk (easily outmaneuvered - AVP bulls**t). I don't think a comparison to anything in AVP:R does much for any argument's credibility :P Similarly, look at the Predator as he lies dying in AVP for the full scale of his stumpyness, the Predator in AVP:R was more to the mark ... wait, I think I've contradicted myself :D
The original walked with a splayed gait which made her look like she had real weight that needed supporting. The AvP Queen looked about ready to topple over with her dino walk.
They all look alike. The queen from Aliens even runs like the queen in AvP when it briefly chases Ripley before she closes the door that leads to the powerloader room.
The Spinosaurus in JP3.... comparison with the Queen... meh.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 11, 2010, 02:18:09 PM
They all look alike. The queen from Aliens even runs like the queen in AvP when it briefly chases Ripley before she closes the door that leads to the powerloader room.
I think you should watch again. The Queen's leg movements in Aliens is, as another poster said, splayed. The AVP Queen's walk is more anthropomorphic, one leg in front of the other.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 11, 2010, 02:18:09 PM
They all look alike. The queen from Aliens even runs like the queen in AvP when it briefly chases Ripley before she closes the door that leads to the powerloader room.
The Spinosaurus in JP3.... comparison with the Queen... meh.
Thanks for making my day. Thank you.
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 11, 2010, 03:05:51 PM
I think you should watch again.
It looked the same, just slower.
Predators man they have cool weapens and are fast and really strong i love them so much they rule
Predator was the first film I watched of both series, so naturally I have a lot of love for the character and the concept.
predator all the way lol besides aliens look good squished and there fun to bash
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 13, 2010, 09:48:59 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 11, 2010, 03:05:51 PM
I think you should watch again.
It looked the same, just slower.
I think you should get your eyes checked. ;)
Quote from: Gear on Mar 17, 2010, 12:54:44 AM
predator all the way lol besides aliens look good squished and there fun to bash
Good luck with that.
Quote from: Gear on Mar 17, 2010, 12:54:44 AM
predator all the way lol besides aliens look good squished and there fun to bash
Good luck with that.
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i dont need luck it happnes lol quit well
You would need luck. That's how any characters survived in the Alien movies; sheer, blind luck.
yea well only luck i mneed is a good scraper to remove em for mthe bottem of my shoe
If they're on your shoe, you won't have legs left for long. ;)
PREDATORS man anyways Who do you think is more bad ass Riply or Dutch....like c'mon!
;D
Depends how define badass. If you mean general characterization and aura, Dutch. If you mean by actual actions and deeds, Ripley.
Actions doesn't define Dutch? He's a military commander who went toe-to-toe (literally) with the Predator.
And didn't he get ten shades of shit kicked out of him and only won by outsmarting it?
Wasn't Ripley the one who crash-landed, unarmed, onto the surface of a prison planet, completely populated by thieves, murderers and rapists? Where the only two living things she could call "friends" were killed by circumstance of her landing? Didn't she end up taking command of these murderers and rapists? And didn't she confront the Alien, unarmed, in its own equivalent of territory? And didn't she ultimately destroy it? And sacrifice her life to destroy any possibility of a repeat?
Bad.
Ass.
Quote from: SM on Mar 17, 2010, 04:53:28 AM
And didn't he get ten shades of shit kicked out of him and only won by outsmarting it?
Well, I think outsmarting something is a quality unto itself.
Quote from: Gear on Mar 17, 2010, 03:14:40 AM
yea well only luck i mneed is a good scraper to remove em for mthe bottem of my shoe
Contrary to popular belief, Aliens are not bugs. You have been horribly misinformed.
Quote from: SM on Mar 17, 2010, 04:53:28 AM
And didn't he get ten shades of shit kicked out of him and only won by outsmarting it?
I'd say that's a good thing.
Quote from: SM on Mar 17, 2010, 04:53:28 AM
And didn't he get ten shades of shit kicked out of him and only won by outsmarting it?
nah he won by blind luck,
If Dutch set up the log on purpose as a backup trap, yes i would agree with you, but it was just the ounterweight for his spike trap that the pred just happened to walk under.
Ripley is more bad-ass
They're both badass, but (in my opinion) Ripley wins in the deeds department.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 17, 2010, 11:50:00 PM
They're both badass, but (in my opinion) wins in the deeds department.
. . . Who, exactly wins the deeds department?
Oops. He he. It's fixed now. :-[
I prefer Aliens, simply because I think that Xenomporphs are the scariest, awesomest creatures ever imagined! ;)
Aliens are really scary! That's why I've always liked them better than Predators.
I think they're equally scary. They can both slip up behind you and you'd never know it. But at least with the Alien, there's a chance you might see it. With the Predator, no dice as long as it's cloaked.
I find the whole "rape, gestate, eviscerate" thing much more terrifying.
You don't know that's coming initially. I'm talking about in the immediate moment.
The thing with me, though, is I'm a f**king coward. If the Predator was coming in on me, I'd probably throw all my weapons away and cower in the fetal position, weeping. He'd then (hopefully) leave me alone. For the Alien, that makes it just that much easier to take me as a host.
No you wouldn't. You'd freeze out of sheer terror.
I think I'd actually pass out; I don't have a high tolerance for things like that.
Why do you think the Predator would leave you alone?
'Cause I'm unconscious and not worthy, or something like that.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 20, 2010, 05:06:08 AM
I think they're equally scary. They can both slip up behind you and you'd never know it. But at least with the Alien, there's a chance you might see it. With the Predator, no dice as long as it's cloaked.
You can see the cloak.
And as pointed out - You can bargain with a Predator. You can't bargain with an Alien.
I'm no sport, a Predator wouldn't be in the least interested. Aliens doesn't care.
You probably wouldn't see the cloak until it was too late, like Dillon did.
I spotted it every time in the movies :P
Hm ... acutally a Predator might see you as sport.
Are you rather tall ... how about in very good shape ... If so then a Predator might
Spoiler
Bring you to a game reserve like in Predators.
The species I prefer is the Alien species, because they're more scary and they're more interesting to watch. :)
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 20, 2010, 11:39:29 PM
Hm ... acutally a Predator might see you as sport.
Are you rather tall ... how about in very good shape ... If so then a Predator might Spoiler
Bring you to a game reserve like in Predators.
Those people were taken because they were
deadly killers, not because they were tall and buff.
Okay you win.
But if you were to encounter a Predator it would probably be in a sitiuation where you were sport. And how do you know you can bargain with a Predator?
There are humans you can't bargain with ( i.e. The Joker or a real world example is serial killers. The majority of them aren't money hungry crooks they are socio's with zero emotion. )
The thing is, I doubt I'd ever be considered sport, so if I encountered it, it would be entirely by accident. I would then (most likely) pass out, and no hunter would want to say they got this skull from an unconscious person.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 20, 2010, 09:57:38 PM
I spotted it every time in the movies :P
You did, as the viewer. You were supposed to. But in some cases, when the character was in a bad spot they didn't see the creature until it was too late.
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 07, 2010, 05:45:50 PM
They're both cool creatures. And both have their appeals and parts that are stupid about them.
Who's Stronger? The alien I think. In Alien 3 it broke free of melton lead. Seriously.
Who's more Agile? The alien. It is designed as being agile whilst the Predator is a humanoid.
Who's more Intelligent? Well the Predators have technology and a culture so i'd go with them. Not to say aliens are below human intelligents they're just don't need technology.
Who is more Durable? This is debatable. The alien would win because it survives the vacuum of space. But the Predator survived being forzen partially with liquid nirtogen , shot twice with a shot gun and survived a 20 foot wall and then getting its organs cut up for several minutes before being killed by Harrigan in Predator 2.
Who's Cooler - well like I said they're both cool - right?
I think you also missed that in Predator, the Predator still survived after being squashed by a very big log that fell from a height, which added impact and more force to the Predator, and the Predator still had the strength to detonate the self-destruct device. If the humans were in the Predator's place, they would've already died, or if they luckily survive it, they won't have the strength to move anymore. If it were an Alien in the Predator's place, it would have been killed before its blood melts the log. So that adds more points to the Predators.
The tree log didn't weigh ten tons.
An Alien would be fine.
If a little surprised.
Well it depends on where the alien was hit. If it was hit on its back or head it would probaby live but I've always felt its underbelly was weaker.
I know this shouldn't count as canon but didn't Wolf step on and crush an aliens head in AVP:R and he weighed 285 lbs.
Yeah, and then the Alien's acid blood did absolutely nothing.
AvPR throws all sorts of canonical aspects out the window to cover for its own rule of cool.
Yeah I agree AVP:R created its own " Canon rules " because it was so poor. I think that this thread is going to go on until we have an Alien and Predator in some neutral enviorment and see who wins. :-[
Speaking in all fairness, there's no absolute, definitive answer to this in any situation. That's a part of the fun.
I know. If only the Replicators from Stargate Atlantis were in this they'd beat both. ;D.
But yeah I think which ever creature you seem to like more is the one you usually defend in a fight (although not always. )
Aliens!!!!!!!! Maybe just because I saw Alien before I saw Predator.
Quote from: Maverick62897 on Mar 21, 2010, 07:09:58 AM
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 07, 2010, 05:45:50 PM
They're both cool creatures. And both have their appeals and parts that are stupid about them.
Who's Stronger? The alien I think. In Alien 3 it broke free of melton lead. Seriously.
Who's more Agile? The alien. It is designed as being agile whilst the Predator is a humanoid.
Who's more Intelligent? Well the Predators have technology and a culture so i'd go with them. Not to say aliens are below human intelligents they're just don't need technology.
Who is more Durable? This is debatable. The alien would win because it survives the vacuum of space. But the Predator survived being forzen partially with liquid nirtogen , shot twice with a shot gun and survived a 20 foot wall and then getting its organs cut up for several minutes before being killed by Harrigan in Predator 2.
Who's Cooler - well like I said they're both cool - right?
I think you also missed that in Predator, the Predator still survived after being squashed by a very big log that fell from a height, which added impact and more force to the Predator, and the Predator still had the strength to detonate the self-destruct device. If the humans were in the Predator's place, they would've already died, or if they luckily survive it, they won't have the strength to move anymore. If it were an Alien in the Predator's place, it would have been killed before its blood melts the log. So that adds more points to the Predators.
First of all, a log fell on the Predator's head, almost killing him. That is not durability. He would have died within a short span of time had he not gathered the strength to detonate the bomb, which was a challenge for him.
Also, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the log didn't weigh twenty tons. Unlike the hot lead dropped all over the Runner in Alien 3. The stuff it survived without slowing down a bit. As well, the Alien survived multiple explosive rounds to the head from a gun two hundred years more advanced then our own.
I'd like to know where you get the theory that the Alien would die from the log.
I personally think that the Alien would've survived the log falling on it. Although I believe it would've been hurt.
They've each taken so much punishment its hard to say which is more durable. I believe they can take the same amount of bullet fire.
But the ailen has a shell so it can probably take more pressure.
Not the same bullet fire; standard rounds have been seen to injure the Predator with a single hit. With the Alien, it takes 7 or 8 in fired in more or less the same spot to break through the outer-shell.
I doubt a handgun will do any more good against a Predator than it would an Alien. Bill Paxton's character in P2, when cornered in the subway, wasn't having much luck with a Desert Eagle.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 23, 2010, 02:30:18 AM
I doubt a handgun will do any more good against a Predator than it would an Alien. Bill Paxton's character in P2, when cornered in the subway, wasn't having much luck with a Desert Eagle.
it was either hitting his armour or missing the predator completely. If those bullets actually hit the predator he wouldnt be as chilled as he was.
Why not? Preds are tough mothers.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 23, 2010, 06:11:14 AM
Why not? Preds are tough mothers.
last time I looked they dont have natural body armour on theyre bodies like aliens do.
Well I haven't seen a Predator loose limps from gunfire like Aliens have. Seems like their natural body armor serves them well. :P
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 23, 2010, 02:30:18 AM
I doubt a handgun will do any more good against a Predator than it would an Alien. Bill Paxton's character in P2, when cornered in the subway, wasn't having much luck with a Desert Eagle.
He had a Sig, actually.
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 23, 2010, 10:39:27 AM
Well I haven't seen a Predator loose limps from gunfire like Aliens have. Seems like their natural body armor serves them well. :P
That's what happens when
explosive-tipped ammunition is used. ;)
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 23, 2010, 10:53:55 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 23, 2010, 02:30:18 AM
I doubt a handgun will do any more good against a Predator than it would an Alien. Bill Paxton's character in P2, when cornered in the subway, wasn't having much luck with a Desert Eagle.
He had a Sig, actually.
Either way, same story.
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 23, 2010, 10:39:27 AM
Well I haven't seen a Predator loose limps from gunfire like Aliens have. Seems like their natural body armor serves them well. :P
the marines had much more advanced weoponry, thus would have killed more effectively. i'd like to see a predator take a shot from the pulse rifles or gun turret, the walls would be painted in fluorescent green blood.
I understand the Alien has its claws, jaws, and tail but whose to say the Predator stands no chance in hand to hand combat?
No-one, really. Predators certainly stand a chance.
For the most part, I'd argue that this isn't a particularly large chance, but absolutes are boring.
The Predators 'chance' lies in realms of the Alien suffering a fatal cardiac arrest before it can tear it to pieces. ;D
*Predator types into mother computer* "What are my chances?"
*Mother responds* "You're hosed, dude."
*Predator facepalms*
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 25, 2010, 12:52:52 AM
I understand the Alien has its claws, jaws, and tail but whose to say the Predator stands no chance in hand to hand combat?
Depends how good the Predator is. Average, run-of-the-mill? Not a snowball's chance in Hell. Skilled Predator with lots of experience? The scales are a little evened out.
How?
He know how to handle himself better.
That doesn't really explain how though.
One possible way is for the Predator to do the tail swingy thing and swing the Alien onto a big spike or something. Lotta luck involved in that though.
Well, it's the same concept as martial artists here on Earth. Some are better fighters than others.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 25, 2010, 01:52:03 AM
Well, it's the same concept as martial artists here on Earth. Some are better fighters than others.
but martial artists dont have claws, tail and acid blood. dont know how a predator can defeats an alien up close without getting killed or acid spray.
Celtic did well against Grid. If he had time to pick him up and throw him around, I'm betting he could have easily turned Grid's head around in ways it's not supposed to go...maybe.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 25, 2010, 04:34:56 AM
Celtic did well against Grid. If he had time to pick him up and throw him around, I'm betting he could have easily turned Grid's head around in ways it's not supposed to go...maybe.
dont think breaking an aliens kneck would be as easy as breaking a humans. they seem to have a neck full of muscle.
and thats if the alien doesnt kill him while doing so
I personally take interest in the predator, his unique style and ability to stalk even the most alert targets without notice and taking them out with his arsenal of unique weapons is just unbelievable. Plus i believe in one of the AVP comics it denotes that Predators Blood is the Base to Aliens Acid making it Non lethal underneath the skin of a predator.
On a side note the original predator movie has the best quote of any of the movies from these 2 phenoms,
"I Ain't Got Time To Bleed" - Jesse Ventura.
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dont think breaking an aliens kneck would be as easy as breaking a humans. they seem to have a neck full of muscle.
and thats if the alien doesnt kill him while doing so
That's why cutting its head off is more simple. Or stabbing it. After dodging it's attack. Of course there's a chance of failure. We're talking about an alien. But since we're talking about a predator too, it's probable.
I just think the Predator is tough enough to take a beating from the Alien while he pins it down and kills it... if he hasn't been jawed in the forehead yet.
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Mar 25, 2010, 03:23:19 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 25, 2010, 01:52:03 AM
Well, it's the same concept as martial artists here on Earth. Some are better fighters than others.
but martial artists dont have claws, tail and acid blood. dont know how a predator can defeats an alien up close without getting killed or acid spray.
By using a superior mind and cunning. That is pretty much the one advantage that a Predator (or a human, for that matter) has over an Alien. If he uses that properly, he does have a chance at succeeding, however slim it may be.
Quote from: Master Chief on Mar 25, 2010, 04:34:56 AM
Celtic did well against Grid. If he had time to pick him up and throw him around, I'm betting he could have easily turned Grid's head around in ways it's not supposed to go...maybe.
I agree. He would have had to act fast though. After tackling Grid into the column, Grid seemed a bit dazed. That would've been the best time to do it.
I think a Predator with a combistick could take an Alien in close combat. But bare handed a Predator is pretty much screwed. He'd have to dodge and Aliens multiple attacks and grab its tail and TRY to swing it into something hard. The try to crush its neck.
All in all I think an Alien could win in any close combat match with almost any creature.
Do you guys remember how slow the Alien was when it confronts it terrified victims? Remember Predator beating the hell out of Arnold?
Does anyone get where I'm coming from. I think it would be a fair fight if that.
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 25, 2010, 07:51:14 PM
Do you guys remember how slow the Alien was when it confronts it terrified victims?
Remember how it moved quickly when provoked to do so?
QuoteDoes anyone get where I'm coming from.
Not in the least.
That's because the Alien had no reason to rush at killing a helpless victim. If it fought a Predator we would see the same blitzing speed and the force of freaking Car in each of it's swipes. Those bastards can knock down thick steal doors and have hard enough exoskeletons to bounce advanced Bullets from 200 years into the future.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 25, 2010, 08:15:08 AM
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dont think breaking an aliens kneck would be as easy as breaking a humans. they seem to have a neck full of muscle.
and thats if the alien doesnt kill him while doing so
That's why cutting its head off is more simple. Or stabbing it. After dodging it's attack. Of course there's a chance of failure. We're talking about an alien. But since we're talking about a predator too, it's probable.
please explain to me how he would slice the alien in such close quarters without getting acid spray all over him?
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 25, 2010, 07:51:14 PM
Do you guys remember how slow the Alien was when it confronts it terrified victims? Remember Predator beating the hell out of Arnold?
Does anyone get where I'm coming from. I think it would be a fair fight if that.
do you remember how fast the alien in alien 3 moved? theyre not slow in the least.
the alien in alien had no reason to be quick.
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 25, 2010, 07:51:14 PM
Do you guys remember how slow the Alien was when it confronts it terrified victims?
Do you remember how the Alien busted through doors, floor grating, and practically hurled itself through the vent shafts in ALIENS? They're capable of moving fast as Hell.
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 25, 2010, 07:51:14 PM
Remember Predator beating the hell out of Arnold?
In ALIEN, the alien knocks Parker back into a wall, causing some pipes to burst, and then grabs Parker, and head bites him. Killing him in about an eighth of the time it took ol' Preds to try to kill Dutch.
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Mar 25, 2010, 10:55:23 PM
please explain to me how he would slice the alien in such close quarters without getting acid spray all over him?
Like this.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/bluray/normal_avpbluray380.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/bluray/normal_avpbluray381.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/bluray/normal_avpbluray382.jpg)
In simpler terms: a PG-13 rating.
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please explain to me how he would slice the alien in such close quarters without getting acid spray all over him?
That's why I said... or stabbing ;D ;D. Cutting or stabbing, the logical shoice at a time. Normally no blood comes out until the weapon is inside the body. Assuming the spear is not acid proof (it can or can't be, but let's assume not ot itsn't), it's loss of a spear, not an arm. Or a life... no, it's a loss of a life, but not the hunter's :D :D
Okay, no jokes.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 26, 2010, 06:40:27 AM
In simpler terms: a PG-13 rating.
The creature blood didn't get them the PG-13 rating. They could of used as much blood there was they wanted. I don't think the acid would be too much of a problem on their armor. It eat their skin but I think they would have good enough reflects to prevent it from fatally wounding them.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 25, 2010, 09:08:49 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 25, 2010, 07:51:14 PM
Do you guys remember how slow the Alien was when it confronts it terrified victims?
Remember how it moved quickly when provoked to do so?
QuoteDoes anyone get where I'm coming from.
Not in the least.
Yeah, sure I do. It swung its arm out to give Dallas a hug and swung its tail against Parker. I think a Predator can handle that kind of contact.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 26, 2010, 12:48:03 AM
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 25, 2010, 07:51:14 PM
Do you guys remember how slow the Alien was when it confronts it terrified victims?
Do you remember how the Alien busted through doors, floor grating, and practically hurled itself through the vent shafts in ALIENS? They're capable of moving fast as Hell.
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 25, 2010, 07:51:14 PM
Remember Predator beating the hell out of Arnold?
In ALIEN, the alien knocks Parker back into a wall, causing some pipes to burst, and then grabs Parker, and head bites him. Killing him in about an eighth of the time it took ol' Preds to try to kill Dutch.
I'm not talking about Aliens because I already know the Aliens from Aliens are fast as hell. I meant Alien particularly.
Predator was taking his time on Dutch. That was his purpose. There was no rush. When Dutch tried to attack him, he'd just knock the shit out of him. He had the complete upper hand.
And in the same situation against an Alien, Dutch would've been pasted instantly.
The Alien doesn't knock people about because it doesn't need to. It just kills them.
I'm not sure, I mean the aliens are like super rabid attack dogs with acid blood,claws, and their scythe tail and the whole spiderman crawl up walls thing, where as the predators are like super BAD Klingons. I'm leaning towards Predators. definitely.
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 25, 2010, 07:51:14 PM
I'm not talking about Aliens because I already know the Aliens from Aliens are fast as hell. I meant Alien particularly.
Same species.
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 25, 2010, 07:51:14 PM
Predator was taking his time on Dutch. That was his purpose. There was no rush. When Dutch tried to attack him, he'd just knock the shit out of him. He had the complete upper hand.
No he didnt. Dutch got a good punch in on the Predator, and it
flinched. It also nearly fell for one trap, and then got its ass handed to em by a log.
The Alien had Parker, a 200 something pound guy, charge at him like a foot ball player, and hurled him across the room and then strangled and killed him like he was nothing.
It didn't flinch. Dutch hit him, and Anytime just shrugged it off. It was smart enough to see the trap and that last log was balls for Anytime sure, but if Dutch had hesitated for even one second, that would've been the end of it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 26, 2010, 05:40:49 PM
It didn't flinch.
Yes, it did. His eyes bounce around and his face clearly twitches after Arnie punches him. Then he comes to his senses and looks right at Arnold.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg683.imageshack.us%2Fimg683%2F7761%2Fdazed.gif&hash=e012c2e013cb33b1bd26565efab6d3b284da2d25)
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 26, 2010, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 25, 2010, 07:51:14 PM
I'm not talking about Aliens because I already know the Aliens from Aliens are fast as hell. I meant Alien particularly.
Same species.
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 25, 2010, 07:51:14 PM
Predator was taking his time on Dutch. That was his purpose. There was no rush. When Dutch tried to attack him, he'd just knock the shit out of him. He had the complete upper hand.
No he didnt. Dutch got a good punch in on the Predator, and it flinched. It also nearly fell for one trap, and then got its ass handed to em by a log.
The Alien had Parker, a 200 something pound guy, charge at him like a foot ball player, and hurled him across the room and then strangled and killed him like he was nothing.
Same species yeah - yeah. But in this situation, I'm talking about that Alien. f**k the sequels.
Predator flinched because Dutch hit him.. right before he knocked the shit out of Dutch.
There never will be facts on who would do better in a fight. That is why I find it complete bullshit that people say the Alien has the upper hand. I was just being bias. Because there's no actual fact, I can say it would stand a good chance.
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 26, 2010, 10:28:57 AM
Yeah, sure I do. It swung its arm out to give Dallas a hug and swung its tail against Parker. I think a Predator can handle that kind of contact.
The tail sent Parker into the wall hard enough to burst pipes, and it moved fast enough to knock him out of the air mid-leap. And we know an Alien tail is more than enough to kill a Predator.
It moved quickly when it needed to.
I'd loved to see a Badejo-like Alien again, I can forgive its exclusion in Aliens and Alien3 (we got a Queen and interesting dog Xeno instead), but I've missed the beast. I'd like to see it back, a 7foot tall, majestic Alien. They've become more insectile or animal-like with later movies. Though Cameron's designs were an extension of Giger's, the insect interpretation comes from Aliens, with later writers/directors thinking, "Queen = bug". Hudson's insult became the blueprint for future Xeno design >:(
Most of the Alien fans here, myself included, agree with you on that.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2010, 09:49:25 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 26, 2010, 10:28:57 AM
Yeah, sure I do. It swung its arm out to give Dallas a hug and swung its tail against Parker. I think a Predator can handle that kind of contact.
The tail sent Parker into the wall hard enough to burst pipes, and it moved fast enough to knock him out of the air mid-leap. And we know an Alien tail is more than enough to kill a Predator.
We do? When did an Alien kill a Predator with a whack of its tail?
When did I say that ever happened?
I just said a tail was more than enough - Which AvP demonstrated beautifully. I didn't say how.
But you said you KNOW its enough to kill a Predator.
Yeah..
I'd be perfectly happy if they basically displayed both Species equally powerful in one way or another, just as long as we don't get the massacre we had in AvP:R, with the Aliens fighting like girls and the Predator behaving 'awesomely' retarded.
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Mar 27, 2010, 01:27:04 AM
I'd be perfectly happy if they basically displayed both Species equally powerful in one way or another, just as long as we don't get the massacre we had in AvP:R, with the Aliens fighting like girls and the Predator behaving 'awesomely' retarded.
I couldn't agree more.
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 27, 2010, 01:24:11 AM
But you said you KNOW its enough to kill a Predator.
Yeah..
I said we know an Alien tail is enough to kill a Predator.
Yeah.. Don't we.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2010, 11:44:56 PM
When did I say that ever happened?
I just said a tail was more than enough - Which AvP demonstrated beautifully. I didn't say how.
Ahh, you confuzzled me, you rascal.
It is what I seem to do, today :P
Aliens have numbers. predator has tech. both very intelligent
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 26, 2010, 06:33:59 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 26, 2010, 05:40:49 PM
It didn't flinch.
Yes, it did. His eyes bounce around and his face clearly twitches after Arnie punches him. Then he comes to his senses and looks right at Arnold.
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7761/dazed.gif
That is an aesome gif image. That was my fav predator costume.
Quote from: gamerstation151 on Mar 27, 2010, 11:29:00 AM
Aliens have numbers. predator has tech. both very intelligent
Please don't use that as your source of comparison. It's the mindset the Strauss had when they made AvP:R. Anderson was more correct with the Alien has the melee, Predator has the Ranged Weaponry.
But avpr was awesome
If by "awesome" you mean "mind-numbingly terrible", sure.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2010, 11:44:56 PM
When did I say that ever happened?
I just said a tail was more than enough - Which AvP demonstrated beautifully. I didn't say how.
AvP also demonstrated beautifully that an Alien tail can grow another 8 feet when it needs to... :P
And Predator 2 demonstrated Gary Busey's torso defies gravity, what'cha gonna do :P
Quote from: SiL on Mar 28, 2010, 10:50:52 AM
And Predator 2 demonstrated Gary Busey's torso defies gravity, what'cha gonna do :P
Yes...and what has that to do with AvP exactly? :-\
Not writing off a scene because of a naff effect.
Although a more fitting analogy would be Ripley's arm in Aliens with the Queen hanging off it.
But you're trying to justify a mistake (That was done on purpose) with another mistake in a whole different movie.
Alien showed us that it is capable of hovering up in the air, Bishop having two upper body's, Dillon having 3 arms... so know they can really go wild in the next movie just because the old ones did mistakes?
You bitch about biased Predator BS in AvP-R, yet it's totally normal for the Alien to double size it's tale to kill a Predator...and you justify that with Predator 2 making a mistake?
Man, you're loosing it.
How do you guys see it extending so much? How I see it doesn't get that longer, really.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 28, 2010, 11:40:19 AM
How do you guys see it extending so much? How I see it doesn't get that longer, really.
Judging by your avatar and sig...how surprising.
My selection of Avatar and signature has nothing to do with it. Yes it somewhat extends, but doesn't double its size.
Also, I chose av/sig because the photos were beautyfully shot ;)
Aren't they CG?
Beautyfully shot CGI :D
QuoteYes it somewhat extends, but doesn't double its size.
It actually does, maybe even longer. The Predator is standing on the ground while the Alien is up in the air, with the tail at the end of it's body. It looks ridiculous.
Anyway, it's stupid, biased and makes no sense at all, and if you're accepting that then why not grow the Predator another arm just for
one shot to bitchslap the alien with, i wouldn't notice it at all ::)
I hardly notice it when I watch AvP. May I add, without registering on AvPG I wouldn't have noticed it at all.
As I didn't notice many of the errors of the Alien/Predator Franchises. My POV is that pointing out "errors" that come out just in one shot is stupid and ruins a film. Both franchises have tons of bloopers but should we care about it? :P
QuoteBoth franchises have tons of bloopers but should we care about it?
It's not an error when you do it out of purpose though. And that's the difference. The old movies mainly had mistakes because of technical issues, Anderson just wanted to get his cool, glorifying shot of an impaled Predator, and that makes it no mistake, that makes it biased bullshit.
Yet people bitch about the Strauses cheating for getting a shot that, while cool looking, makes no sense.
Kill Bill had a lot of "purposed" bloopers but is still a badass film.
Also, we could say the same for the seemingly giant shuriken in AvPR when it slashes out the blonde...
AVP was biased towards the Alien. The Predator got No good scenes. The Aliens tail was made retardely long. Anyone can see that.
It went from 6ft ( my esitimate ) to 12ft ( my estimate ) which is doubling its size.
Sure, the Alien tail was long, but at least it was consistent throughout the film (even if it did spit in canon's face). However, you can't really compare the Alien getting a longer tail with a Predator suddenly having the ability to kill an Alien with a pimp slap. Or the Predator having the sudden ability to hold two Aliens up simultaneously by the neck for multiple seconds and have the Aliens do nothing.
I'm not going to make stupid claims; AVP was biased towards the Alien. However, it was very little bias. The Alien tail was ridiculous, and Celtic should have had Grid in that situation, but AVP at least nailed the principles: Aliens and Predators are equals and either one can get the upper hand over the other under the right circumstances. However, Requiem just took the Predator, made him God, then made the Aliens into ants. That's not just bias, that's being unfaithful to both creatures and utterly disrespecting them so hard it's sickening.
So, please, try not to compare the Alien tail to Requiem. It's not only pointless, but a flawed argument as a whole.
I wasn't saying AVP was as biased as AVP:R they made Wolf the " hero " and he was out to go and kill as many Aliens as he can.
However it seems that Alien fans complain when Predator fans bring up the Wolf incident but when the Alien's tail grows out several feet and other idiocy they claim it isn't bad.
I never onced compared AVP to AVP:R in terms of biased levels unless you were talking to someone else.
It is one incoherent thing Vs. at least six or seven incoherent things... :P
J/K, both movies have their flaws (but avpr has moar ;D)
OMG!!!!1! TWO PREDATORZ DIED!!!11!! WTH!!?
Jesus, AvP wasn't biased towards Aliens at all. You had the Predator winning, killing about four Aliens (six with Chestburster and Facehugger) and ultimatelly a Queen. Heck, they even killed more Humans than the Aliens, had more screen time and where demonstated as the honourable 'heroes' in a way.
I was just happy they demonstrated beautifully that an Alien is the Pimp at melee, but a Pussy against ranged Weaponry.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 28, 2010, 11:39:00 AM
yet it's totally normal for the Alien to double size it's tale to kill a Predator...
Even if Anderson hadn't doubled the tail size, he could still have easily had Grid impale Chopper from behind like he ended up doing anyway.
Quoteand you justify that with Predator 2 making a mistake?
I changed to justify it by Ripley's arm holding out in
Aliens, even though it shouldn't have and she should've fallen into space. You're not going to bitch and scream bias at that.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 28, 2010, 11:55:54 AM
QuoteYes it somewhat extends, but doesn't double its size.
It actually does, maybe even longer. The Predator is standing on the ground while the Alien is up in the air, with the tail at the end of it's body. It looks ridiculous.
Anyway, it's stupid, biased and makes no sense at all, and if you're accepting that then why not grow the Predator another arm just for one shot to bitchslap the alien with, i wouldn't notice it at all ::)
i dont see how its biased, it a technical error. the alien could have just done that without the extended tail,
now a predator growing a 3rd arm is biased because well predators dont have a 3rd arm.
It's certainly a Rule of Cool thing, but it's not biased. Grid could've just moved closer, after all. Either way, Chopper's a dead Pred.
Anyone who thinks AVP was biased against Predators is a fool.
Why?
Because there aren't any Predators in AVP.
QuoteIt's certainly a Rule of Cool thing, but it's not biased. Grid could've just moved closer, after all. Either way, Chopper's a dead Pred.
What he said.
But even that said, the sequence with the Extender-Tail (TM) was lame as.
hehe, there is always a topic on this! :p Well i go for Xenomorph's, there were born the best and will die the best!
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 29, 2010, 02:42:46 AM
Anyone who thinks AVP was biased against Predators is a fool.
Why?
Because there aren't any Predators in AVP.
In which case, AvPR contains
negative quantities of Predator.
What?
If the AvP Preds weren't Preds, and if one took the stance that Wolf was even less of one, then AvPR had negative Preds where AvP had no Preds.
I don't get that, because if anything, the Wolf was more of a Predator than those things from AvP will ever be.
Anywho who complains about an Alien taking out 2 Predators shoul remember that later in the movie the remaining predator takes out 4 aliens, 3 of which in a matter of
seconds. No Alien fans to this day have denied that.
QuoteIn which case, AvPR contains negative quantities of Predator.
^Best comment ever
I thought the balance in AvP was pretty fair. Sure, Grid brutally slaughtered 2 Predators, but a) he cheated on the first with a sneak attack and b) in the end, Scar won through superior firepower and he totally kicked butt against the Queen. Until she impaled him, of course, but logic dictated that would happen. So... seems fair to me.
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Mar 29, 2010, 02:48:58 PMhe totally kicked butt against the Queen
He needed Lex's help. And she did most of the work.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 29, 2010, 06:05:30 AM
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 29, 2010, 02:42:46 AM
Anyone who thinks AVP was biased against Predators is a fool.
Why?
Because there aren't any Predators in AVP.
In which case, AvPR contains negative quantities of Predator.
Nah, as lame and as stupid as Wolf was he still acted like a Predator. Albeit a thick one.
AVP Predators? Not so much.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 29, 2010, 03:10:44 PM
Nah, as lame and as stupid as Wolf was he still acted like a Predator.
Shooting Aliens with Plasma caster at low range is really,
really intelligent.
What would you have liked him to do if he can't physically grab a hold of them because they're out of arms reach?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 03:12:04 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 29, 2010, 03:10:44 PM
Nah, as lame and as stupid as Wolf was he still acted like a Predator.
Shooting Aliens with Plasma caster at low range is really, really intelligent.
I said he was stupid...
Being Stupid =/= Predator.
And he could have throwed them away and then use the caster, or use it before doing that stupid move.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 03:53:46 PM
Being Stupid =/= Predator.
Anytime's and Pussyface's last moments would disagree with you.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 03:53:46 PMAnd he could have throwed them away and then use the caster, or use it before doing that stupid move.
And he did. And he missed at longer range because the Aliens weren't static that way.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 03:55:09 PM
Anytime's and Pussyface's last moments would disagree with you.
You are saying that Predators are in fact
stupid? ;D
Anytime guessed Arnie's Trap.
Pussyface was just got by surprise.
I'm saying they can be. Anytime also failed to noticed the log above his head which is the price he paid for taking his time. The same can be said of PF.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 04:03:04 PM
I'm saying they can be.
You said it! :o
Now when we argue about AvP fights I'll point this out.
Anytime.
;) ;D
The fact something can be stupid for a minute or so in its life won't mean it has to be shown like an idiot in the whole movie.
Not by people with poor excuse as a work.
People can be stupid, yet idiotic aren't running around in every movie, and the species isn't represented by fools. Though it would be funny, hahahahaha. Except...
No, it wouldn't be >:(
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 29, 2010, 04:19:16 PM
The fact something can be stupid for a minute or so in its life won't mean it has to be shown like an idiot in the whole movie.
Wolf is a perfect example! ;) ;D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 04:13:03 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 04:03:04 PM
I'm saying they can be.
You said it! :o
Now when we argue about AvP fights I'll point this out. Anytime.
;) ;D
My problem in AvP lies with the fact that Celtic was stupid to the point of, come the f**k on. He knows how his net gun works, he knows the Alien had acid blood, so the assumption is that that net isn't going to hold forever, so why the f**k did he wait???!? And when I couple that scene with Anderson's admitted Alien preference, it's hard for me to
not cry bias.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 04:21:28 PM
so why the f**k did he wait???!?
It leads to 2 questions:
Why the f**k did Anytime wait to kill Arnie?
Why the f**k did Pussyface wait to kill Harrigan?
:P
QuoteWolf is a perfect example! ;) ;D
I never expected you to use avpr as an argument. Well, if you don't think what's wrong about it, then go and watch that movie as a punishment, buddy ;)
QuoteWhy the f**k did Anytime wait to kill Arnie?
Why the f**k did Pussyface wait to kill Harrigan?
Because they got overconfident for that moment, and let their guard down. Doesn't mean they are like that all the time.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 29, 2010, 04:28:48 PM
go and watch that movie as a punishment, buddy ;)
Please, no! :o :'(
Wolf is a perfect of an Alltime (:P) stupid predator.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 29, 2010, 04:28:48 PM
QuoteWhy the f**k did Anytime wait to kill Arnie?
Why the f**k did Pussyface wait to kill Harrigan?
Because they got overconfident for that moment, and let their guard down. Doesn't mean they are like that all the time.
Which answers to DoomRulz's question:
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 04:21:28 PM
so why the f**k did he wait???!?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 04:23:57 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 04:21:28 PM
so why the f**k did he wait???!?
It leads to 2 questions:
Why the f**k did Anytime wait to kill Arnie?
Why the f**k did Pussyface wait to kill Harrigan?
:P
People call it suspense... graduation of suspense... It happens in movies. ;)
I know and I appreciate it so much - but the point is that there's practically no difference between Pussyface waiting to kill Harrigan and Celtic waiting to kill Gridalien. The old one did it so I can't see why the new one can't.
Also, is it Suspense or Suspence? I've never taken it.
QuoteWolf is a perfect of an Alltime (:P) stupid predator.
Yes, in a totally idiptic movie. You know that. It has the same problem in this way (no, it's much more worse) like avp. So it's not an argument for me.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Today at 04:21:28 PM
so why the f**k did he wait???!?
So what's the matter?
QuotePeople call it suspense... graduation of suspense... It happens in movies. ;)
Guess this post owns :D
QuoteI know and I appreciate it so much - but the point is that there's practically no difference between Pussyface waiting to kill Harrigan and Celtic waiting to kill Gridalien. The old one did it so I can't see why the new one can't.
Because the hunter in p2 thought he killed Harrigan, and celtic's blades were melt to their core in a second. What did he guess would grid's acid do with that tiny net? It's utmost stupidity, only Wolf's unicellular intellect can make rings around it.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 29, 2010, 04:39:15 PM
Because the hunter in p2 thought he killed Harrigan, and celtic's blades were melt to their core in a second. What did he guess would grid's acid do with that tiny net? It's utmost stupidity, only Wolf's unicellular intellect can make rings around it.
Harrigan was still on his feet.
Celtic maybe thought the net was more resistent than the Wristblades.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 04:31:40 PM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 29, 2010, 04:28:48 PM
go and watch that movie as a punishment, buddy ;)
Please, no! :o :'(
Wolf is a perfect of an Alltime (:P) stupid predator.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 29, 2010, 04:28:48 PM
QuoteWhy the f**k did Anytime wait to kill Arnie?
Why the f**k did Pussyface wait to kill Harrigan?
Because they got overconfident for that moment, and let their guard down. Doesn't mean they are like that all the time.
Which answers to DoomRulz's question:
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 04:21:28 PM
so why the f**k did he wait???!?
No it doesn't. In the two Predator movies, the main character has script immunity. It doesn't matter how stupid the Predator becomes, he's going to die regardless. In AvP, the fight could've gone either way.
In AvP, Grid is sort of a main character and has a sort of script immunity seeing that he dodged 2 times Scar's blasts.
Dodged once. Grid isn't a main character either; I don't buy into that. He's just an Alien.
He's the fookin Alpha Alien. ;D
But that remains, script immunity or not, all three waited and paid their wait.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 04:54:42 PM
Dodged once. Grid isn't a main character either; I don't buy into that. He's just an Alien.
Not exactly. He's Alien main character, IMHO... ;)
Harrigan was kneeling after several strikes he had (and a net that should have killed him). Not to mention the condition the hunter was in. He sustained serious damage, and that could cloud his logic. The two cases aren't on the same level, not near.
Why would celtic assume it? Maybe because all the gear he used was demolished by the acid, and it was only a matter of seconds. And the net was fuming. Even if he assumed it's more resistant, he should have made his move asap he could. But he didn't. It's not simple miscalculation (based on overconfidance) like what the hunter in p2 did.
QuoteNo it doesn't. In the two Predator movies, the main character has script immunity.
As an argument I don't see its meaning. It can be said for the predator too. The script is written in the way because they want it to be. They wanted to show, the predator can be defeated that way too.
^Anytime also waited and he was on full energy.
QuoteNo it doesn't. In the two Predator movies, the main character has script immunity.
Yes, but the main characters in movies was Dutch and Harrigan, not Preds. And
they had script immunity.
This is why humans always win. Script immunity. ;)
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 29, 2010, 05:00:59 PM
This is why humans always win. Script immunity. ;)
That was my point.
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 29, 2010, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 04:54:42 PM
Dodged once. Grid isn't a main character either; I don't buy into that. He's just an Alien.
Not exactly. He's Alien main character, IMHO... ;)
The difference being? He's still just an Alien. He just happens to have a funky design on his noggin.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 05:21:22 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 29, 2010, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 04:54:42 PM
Dodged once. Grid isn't a main character either; I don't buy into that. He's just an Alien.
Not exactly. He's Alien main character, IMHO... ;)
The difference being? He's still just an Alien. He just happens to have a funky design on his noggin.
Still a main character.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 03:53:46 PM
Being Stupid =/= Predator.
And he could have throwed them away and then use the caster, or use it before doing that stupid move.
I'm not saying he's a prime example of what a Predator should be (Hell, I don't even think the one from Predator 2 is), I'm just saying he was more of a Predator than the ones in AVP. He looked and acted like a Predator should. It's just a shame he did stupid things.
AvP Predators didn't do anything stupid (except for Chopper); Scar being a youngblood was more like a Predator than Wolf IMHO.
Coz all Predators want to get close to humans, right?
Yeah he seems to overlook the fact that regardless of whether Wolf was a dumbass...
AVP showed a Predator -a sadistic big game hunter from space- befriending a woman....And then being saved by her.
It wasn't stupid. Logically, anything that can help you against opponents could be used. A Predator alone with 6 Aliens and a Queen fookin Alien wouldn't have lasted that much.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight....
Tell that to the race of aliens that hunts the most dangerous game in the universe for fun.
They don't always get fine.
Wolf had a problems with the Predalien, figure with the Queen...
That wasn't my point.
My point was by nature they have a 'give a shit' attitude. They're also arrogant as hell. I can't even see one wanting to team up with another Predator let alone a human.
The Hunt didn't go as the Predators wanted it, so Scar was somewhat forced to get help.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 06:18:55 PM
The Hunt didn't go as the Predators wanted it, so Scar was somewhat forced to get help.
The Hunt goes wrong? They blow themselves up. That's how the Predators in the flashback did it -- now that was truly badass. Fighting 'till the bitter end. Scar sought help, which was weak. They're a bit like samurais... death before dishonour.
Supposedly. And that's why Scar was a shitty Predator. Sure, he was smarter than the rest of his race, and I applaud him for seeking help, but it's not typical Predator behaviour.
Completey agree with Hive Tyrant on the kill themselves point.
If the hunt gets screwed up Scar should've sought out an Alien and found an honorable death. Anderson's knowledge of the Predator seemed to come from Perry's novel AVP:Prey ...
A Predator would rather kill itself then be saved by a human ... any Predator fan knows this ( well maybe those Predator fans who love Perry don't. ;) )
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 10:40:10 AM
Anywho who complains about an Alien taking out 2 Predators shoul remember that later in the movie the remaining predator takes out 4 aliens, 3 of which in a matter of seconds. No Alien fans to this day have denied that.
QuoteIn which case, AvPR contains negative quantities of Predator.
^Best comment ever
That doesn't bother me. What bothers me how the last remaining Predator fought. Oh... nice.. caster spam a bunch of Aliens.. that shows your true strength. The only thing that bothers me about Grid killing 2 Aliens is then you already know the movie is basically over. Who gonna win, the last remaining Predator or the thousands of Aliens? Its very predictable. It would of been cooler if Celtic whooped a few asses before he got nailed. But honestly, I don't mind very much.
However had everything gone to plan, the Predators would've been able to slaughter Aliens at will with the shoulder gun things. Never really thought that made sense...
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 29, 2010, 08:43:17 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 10:40:10 AM
Anywho who complains about an Alien taking out 2 Predators shoul remember that later in the movie the remaining predator takes out 4 aliens, 3 of which in a matter of seconds. No Alien fans to this day have denied that.
QuoteIn which case, AvPR contains negative quantities of Predator.
^Best comment ever
That doesn't bother me. What bothers me how the last remaining Predator fought. Oh... nice.. caster spam a bunch of Aliens.. that shows your true strength. The only thing that bothers me about Grid killing 2 Aliens is then you already know the movie is basically over. Who gonna win, the last remaining Predator or the thousands of Aliens? Its very predictable. It would of been cooler if Celtic whooped a few asses before he got nailed. But honestly, I don't mind very much.
I would have had basically an interuption in the fight between Grid and Celtic. Had Celtic take on two other aliens in quick fashion as Grid fought to get out of the net. Basically imagine the scene like this...
Grid leaps, Celtic fires the net. Grid crashes down through the hole. Celtic turns at the sound of another alien shuffling nearby, throws a shriunken at it, slicing the top of its head open length wise. Celtic waits for the blade to return. Too late, another alien rushes at him along the ceiling, and dives down, dog piling him. The two roll like mad. Celtic takes a gash to his shoulder from the aliens tongue, spewing green blood everywhere.
Celtic draws his ritual knife and repeatedly stabs it into the side of the Alien's neck, he pulls out of the way as heaps of acid hit the ground. Celtic stands over the dying creature, resolute. Then, out of nowhere, Grid, covered in criss cross netted acid wounds, slams Celtic into the wall, Celtic drops the blade, Grid gets a grip on Celtic's head. Head bite. Game Over.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 29, 2010, 11:08:24 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 29, 2010, 08:43:17 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 10:40:10 AM
Anywho who complains about an Alien taking out 2 Predators shoul remember that later in the movie the remaining predator takes out 4 aliens, 3 of which in a matter of seconds. No Alien fans to this day have denied that.
QuoteIn which case, AvPR contains negative quantities of Predator.
^Best comment ever
That doesn't bother me. What bothers me how the last remaining Predator fought. Oh... nice.. caster spam a bunch of Aliens.. that shows your true strength. The only thing that bothers me about Grid killing 2 Aliens is then you already know the movie is basically over. Who gonna win, the last remaining Predator or the thousands of Aliens? Its very predictable. It would of been cooler if Celtic whooped a few asses before he got nailed. But honestly, I don't mind very much.
I would have had basically an interuption in the fight between Grid and Celtic. Had Celtic take on two other aliens in quick fashion as Grid fought to get out of the net. Basically imagine the scene like this...
Grid leaps, Celtic fires the net. Grid crashes down through the hole. Celtic turns at the sound of another alien shuffling nearby, throws a shriunken at it, slicing the top of its head open length wise. Celtic waits for the blade to return. Too late, another alien rushes at him along the ceiling, and dives down, dog piling him. The two roll like mad. Celtic takes a gash to his shoulder from the aliens tongue, spewing green blood everywhere.
Celtic draws his ritual knife and repeatedly stabs it into the side of the Alien's neck, he pulls out of the way as heaps of acid hit the ground. Celtic stands over the dying creature, resolute. Then, out of nowhere, Grid, covered in criss cross netted acid wounds, slams Celtic into the wall, Celtic drops the blade, Grid gets a grip on Celtic's head. Head bite. Game Over.
That would have ruined the fight. What I appreciate about the sequence is that is shows that an Alien and Predator are equals in combat; having an inexperienced hunter quickly take on two without too much trouble is not only a bit disrespectful, but doesn't make sense considering the huge fight he just had with Grid.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Mar 29, 2010, 11:39:24 PM
That would have ruined the fight. What I appreciate about the sequence is that is shows that an Alien and Predator are equals in combat; having an inexperienced hunter quickly take on two without too much trouble is not only a bit disrespectful, but doesn't make sense considering the huge fight he just had with Grid.
How exactly is it "not too much trouble" ? He gets one 'easy' shot off in the rush of the fight, gets trampled over by the second, and then gets decimated by the original target. It would have prolonged the engagement - which is the POINT of doing an A vs P film - and it would have helped to balance out the instant death of Gill. Talk about disrespectful. Gill was so owned, so dead, he got no chance... and Scar, aside from one face hugger, and one alien that he quickly dispatches - never has a decent head-on fight with an alien. So I say give Celtic more screen time, let him **** up some aliens, going down like the Hudson-Predator of the film.
Are aliens and predators equal? Depends on the alien, predator, Who has what in terms of equipment, who saw who first.... Many many elements play into it.
QuoteHow exactly is it "not too much trouble" ? He gets one 'easy' shot off in the rush of the fight, gets trampled over by the second, and then gets decimated by the original target.
It's not too much trouble because he spins around, kills an Alien in a single motion, then gets tackled by one only to kill it seconds later and then dies from Grid, which, according to the fact that he just killed those two Aliens, should not have happened.
Quoteand it would have helped to balance out the instant death of Gill. Talk about disrespectful. Gill was so owned, so dead, he got no chance...
It hardly needs "balancing out". Gill was killed because he didn't notice it. Same thing happened later on, when an Alien didn't realize Scar knew it was there and got instantly murdered. No complaints about that, so why should anyone complain about Gill? It was a fair kill.
Quoteand Scar, aside from one face hugger, and one alien that he quickly dispatches - never has a decent head-on fight with an alien.
He killed on Alien before it even knew he was aware of it, had a shooting gallery full of Aliens in which he dispatched multiple targets in seconds with no damage to himself, and then fought a
Queen. The Aliens got one stealth kill and one "fair" kill. The Aliens hardly had the movie slanted to them as you would so imply.
Quotere aliens and predators equal? Depends on the alien, predator, Who has what in terms of equipment, who saw who first.... Many many elements play into it.
That's my point. If the two species fight can only be determined by circumstance instead of having one be the consistent winner aside from cases of luck on the part of the other, they're balanced.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Mar 30, 2010, 12:45:17 AM
It's not too much trouble because he spins around, kills an Alien in a single motion, then gets tackled by one only to kill it seconds later and then dies from Grid, which, according to the fact that he just killed those two Aliens, should not have happened
Wrong. Just because a hunter kills a tiger once in one way, does not mean circumstances will repeat themselves. Especially when said hunter thought said tiger was still caged.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Mar 30, 2010, 12:45:17 AM
He killed on Alien before it even knew he was aware of it, had a shooting gallery full of Aliens in which he dispatched multiple targets in seconds with no damage to himself, and then fought a Queen. The Aliens got one stealth kill and one "fair" kill. The Aliens hardly had the movie slanted to them as you would so imply.
That isnt what I implied. Reread my post. I said "stand up." Meaning the alien and the predator are both fully aware of eachother and contend with eachother in CQB. Splattering aliens against the wall is not a stand up fight, slicing an alien standing behind you is not stand up. The queen fight was just a
load of crap. the trained hunter who fully understands the creatures needs help from, and is succeceded by, the chick who has never heard of them before? Sure...
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Mar 30, 2010, 12:45:17 AM
That's my point. If the two species fight can only be determined by circumstance instead of having one be the consistent winner aside from cases of luck on the part of the other, they're balanced.
Then theres no reason you should be against what I wrote. It was an example of extending the literal AvsPing going on, because there wasnt much of it in the film.
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Mar 29, 2010, 07:23:06 PM
The Hunt goes wrong? They blow themselves up. That's how the Predators in the flashback did it -- now that was truly badass. Fighting 'till the bitter end. Scar sought help, which was weak. They're a bit like samurais... death before dishonour. Supposedly. And that's why Scar was a shitty Predator. Sure, he was smarter than the rest of his race, and I applaud him for seeking help, but it's not typical Predator behaviour.
I believe they only selfdestruct to prevent an outbrake or to hide their existence, in Avp, if Scar had not of exploded all of the aliens, they would've easily over ran him and be released onto earth, and in Predator, i think that "Anytime" exploded himself to hide his existence, i mean it wasn't a very impressive explosion.
In Avp i believe that Scar didn't seek help from Lex, but the other way around, i believe that Lex tagged along with Scar, and at h=the he thanked her, for she was worthy.
Quote from: SM on Mar 29, 2010, 10:09:02 PM
However had everything gone to plan, the Predators would've been able to slaughter Aliens at will with the shoulder gun things. Never really thought that made sense...
You're right, but at the same time, I doubt that's what we would have seen in the film.
Obviously.
Still a dumb plot hole though. Every time I think about giving AvP another chance, I get reminded of such stupidity as this.
Alien getting the drop - literally - on Scar in the ice-grotto (Not to mention Gill earlier) would suggest that even with guns, it wouldn't be just them shooting the Aliens (Unless they ran at them like with Scar).
The concept of anything getting that close to a Predator without it realizing is ridiculous. The creatures hearing is Daredevil insane.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 04:21:28 PM
And when I couple that scene with Anderson's admitted Alien preference, it's hard for me to not cry bias.
I'm not pointing any fingers in particular because they don't deserve to be pointed in the context of the regular members of this website, but:
When an Alien-preferential person got directive hold of the franchise, we had balanced, unpredictable battles that at least credited both sides.
The entire rest of the franchise has Aliens as cannon-fodder that runs stupidly into gunfire, AvP2010 perhaps excepted.
With all due respect, I'd rather see Alien-preferential people in control of this combined franchise. I'm not saying Predators aren't due some ass-kicking time, but the ridiculous mishandling of the Alien (and, sometimes, the resultant mishandling of the Predator) isn't just old - it's downright mind-numbing.
Besides, it doesn't matter that a director likes a particular species better. Their job isn't to take sides - it's to present to us a good movie. Any director with the slightest bit of sense won't let their own bias take wholesale control of the battles. If they err a bit in favour of their preferred monster, I don't really see an issue. The issue currently is that "erring" in favour of the Predator consists of downgrading the Alien.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 30, 2010, 11:14:23 AM
The concept of anything getting that close to a Predator without it realizing is ridiculous. The creatures hearing is Daredevil insane.
Double posting because. Anyone who has a problem with this is welcome to take it up with the circumstance preventing me from using the modify button. Whatever they are.
Aliens being ridiculously, supernaturally sneaky and quick about things is in the job description. It's one of the main things anyone ever should have to watch out for - even Predators.
Both Anderson and The Strause Bro's had Alien Preferance. Now AVP:R was very pro - Predator and made the Predator look much stronger ( even though he was a dumb***) so I am not saying it was pro - Alien in the slightest.
But we haven't had any pro - Predators direct an AVP film ( although I don't want one I want a non biased one.)
Anyway AVP was pro - Alien. I mean they made Celtic and Gril/Chopper look pretty weak. Celtic , while he fought hard , did basically nothing to Grid ( other then cut off his tail which he didn't mind )
Also Scar should've killed Lex , she was armed with his plasma caster , or perhaps left her and ordered her not to tag along.
He was saved by Lex three times hardly a strong Predator.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 30, 2010, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 30, 2010, 11:14:23 AM
The concept of anything getting that close to a Predator without it realizing is ridiculous. The creatures hearing is Daredevil insane.
Double posting because. Anyone who has a problem with this is welcome to take it up with the circumstance preventing me from using the modify button. Whatever they are.
Aliens being ridiculously, supernaturally sneaky and quick about things is in the job description. It's one of the main things anyone ever should have to watch out for - even Predators.
Not disputing that their stealthy. It doesn't matter though, the Predators' hearing is just too good.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 30, 2010, 04:19:44 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 30, 2010, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 30, 2010, 11:14:23 AM
The concept of anything getting that close to a Predator without it realizing is ridiculous. The creatures hearing is Daredevil insane.
Double posting because. Anyone who has a problem with this is welcome to take it up with the circumstance preventing me from using the modify button. Whatever they are.
Aliens being ridiculously, supernaturally sneaky and quick about things is in the job description. It's one of the main things anyone ever should have to watch out for - even Predators.
Not disputing that their stealthy. It doesn't matter though, the Predators' hearing is just too good.
Their hearing is distorted by their mask and disturbed by the constant background noise thing that everybody seems to love. They can't hear shit.
Alien for me because they're a natural predator much like a lion or a wolf. They don't use technology because they themselves are a crawling weapon which lurks in the dark while stalking their prey for both harvesting and food!
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Mar 30, 2010, 04:46:23 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 30, 2010, 04:19:44 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 30, 2010, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 30, 2010, 11:14:23 AM
The concept of anything getting that close to a Predator without it realizing is ridiculous. The creatures hearing is Daredevil insane.
Double posting because. Anyone who has a problem with this is welcome to take it up with the circumstance preventing me from using the modify button. Whatever they are.
Aliens being ridiculously, supernaturally sneaky and quick about things is in the job description. It's one of the main things anyone ever should have to watch out for - even Predators.
Not disputing that their stealthy. It doesn't matter though, the Predators' hearing is just too good.
Their hearing is distorted by their mask and disturbed by the constant background noise thing that everybody seems to love. They can't hear shit.
No, footfalls make enormous echoing noises.
And Aliens (When the script calls for it) make no noise. You can't hear what isn't there.
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 30, 2010, 03:13:51 PM
Both Anderson and The Strause Bro's had Alien Preferance. Now AVP:R was very pro - Predator and made the Predator look much stronger ( even though he was a dumb***) so I am not saying it was pro - Alien in the slightest.
But we haven't had any pro - Predators direct an AVP film ( although I don't want one I want a non biased one.)
Anyway AVP was pro - Alien. I mean they made Celtic and Gril/Chopper look pretty weak. Celtic , while he fought hard , did basically nothing to Grid ( other then cut off his tail which he didn't mind )
Also Scar should've killed Lex , she was armed with his plasma caster , or perhaps left her and ordered her not to tag along.
He was saved by Lex three times hardly a strong Predator.
Did anyone miss the part where he called the BS pro-Alien?
My brain hurts.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2010, 09:07:54 PM
And Aliens (When the script calls for it) make no noise. You can't hear what isn't there.
To humans. Jonesy heard it pretty well.
What makes you think Jonesy heard it? He was in every position to see it.
Actually yeah, that's true. Even so it's impossible for the Alien not to make noise, literally impossible. Couple that with the Predators intense hearing and nothings sneaking up on that guy if he's got his shit together.
The Alien did a pretty good job of making no noise in the vents with Dallas when it was moving around very quickly in a cramped space.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 30, 2010, 10:14:14 PM
Couple that with the Predators intense hearing and nothings sneaking up on that guy if he's got his shit together.
So intense he fails to notice Dutch right next to him on several occasions.
Alien for me. I like the movies better, it has an interesting design, interesting life cycle, adapts to any situation, crawls on any surface, adapts traits to whatever it seeds, doesn't give off body heat, has ACID FOR BLOOD, a freaking huge tail that can break almost anything, can see in any light, and has a mouth inside of his mouth that can break almost anything.
Also, a Predator going up against humans and Aliens at the same time is screwed. They both require their own separate vision mode. And Predators are hard of hearing. They're hearing is distorted with the mask on, and with it off, everyone sounds like chipmunks.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Mar 30, 2010, 09:24:38 PM
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 30, 2010, 03:13:51 PM
Both Anderson and The Strause Bro's had Alien Preferance. Now AVP:R was very pro - Predator and made the Predator look much stronger ( even though he was a dumb***) so I am not saying it was pro - Alien in the slightest.
But we haven't had any pro - Predators direct an AVP film ( although I don't want one I want a non biased one.)
Anyway AVP was pro - Alien. I mean they made Celtic and Gril/Chopper look pretty weak. Celtic , while he fought hard , did basically nothing to Grid ( other then cut off his tail which he didn't mind )
Also Scar should've killed Lex , she was armed with his plasma caster , or perhaps left her and ordered her not to tag along.
He was saved by Lex three times hardly a strong Predator.
Did anyone miss the part where he called the BS pro-Alien?
Acutally The Brothers Strause are Pro - Alien. Or at least the perferred the Alien films to the Predator ones Aliens is their #1 movie.
Is their movie pro-Alien though?
Seeing how its an Alien movie with Aliens in it, yeah.
I just bet theres some strange alternate dimension where the above comment makes sense...
Dohohoho
AVP:R is biased towards the Predator. But the Strauses themselves are not biased.
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 31, 2010, 12:14:36 AM
AVP:R is biased towards the Predator. But the Strauses themselves are not biased.
The fact that they went through with scenes with the Aliens being retards and fully realizing this and writing it off as "LOL PREDATOR LOOKS COOL".
I would have to say yes,yes they are.
Does it matter if they aren't bias? No. They made a movie that is.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 30, 2010, 11:37:12 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 30, 2010, 10:14:14 PM
Couple that with the Predators intense hearing and nothings sneaking up on that guy if he's got his shit together.
So intense he fails to notice Dutch right next to him on several occasions.
He can't see Dutch though. An Alien sticks out like a sore thumb. When Dutch swung on the vine, it new where the sound came from it just couldn't see him. When Dutch fired the arrow? I new figured out where we was and blew shit up.
Quote from: SM on Mar 30, 2010, 10:36:57 PM
The Alien did a pretty good job of making no noise in the vents with Dallas when it was moving around very quickly in a cramped space.
Yeah, to a human's ears. I'm not denying it's a stealthy f**ker, all I'm saying is that it's impossible for an Alien to be so stealthy that it's even undetectable by Predator hearing.
Can't think of how good Predators hearing is off hand. Been way too long since I watched a Predator flick.
A Predator can process 64 individual noises at once. A Human struggles with more than 5. Give him 5 high and 5 low and he won't be able to identify any of them.
Couple this with their technology which can be selective and so on and you've got one serious set of ears.
Sixty four?
With or without the helmets?
Going by the films his hearing is fairly similar both on and off, it's just I assume he can't zoom in his vision and hear as if he was stood where he zoomed into.
Was it established that the Predator has the skill to process 64 dif. noises? I do NOT remember this from Predator 1 or Predator 2. Or the AVPs but I don't always watch special features so I don't know.
I just assumed it was something Busey said.
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 31, 2010, 01:28:11 AM
Was it established that the Predator has the skill to process 64 dif. noises? I do NOT remember this from Predator 1 or Predator 2. Or the AVPs but I don't always watch special features so I don't know.
Predator 2 Special Features -> Weapons.
Fair enough then.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 31, 2010, 12:53:50 AM
I'm not denying it's a stealthy f**ker, all I'm saying is that it's impossible for an Alien to be so stealthy that it's even undetectable by Predator hearing.
Except that's not really supported by the movies. Anytime doesn't hear every gentle leaf moving in the breeze, every insect in ten meters chirping, every displace rock scattering down a hillside. Nor does Pussyface hear every single conversation in a street, every single car engine going down the road.
What they
do hear is very clear and in cases amplified, but we've never seen a Predator pick up on an incredibly quiet noise.
predators seem to be able to hear well, but they're hearing seems selective.
they probably cant hear everything going on around them such as the wind blowing roughly or leaves rustling. seems they may have to choose on what to focus theyre listening on
an alien could most most likely 'could' get the jump on a predator.
but an alien could definatly get the jump on a predator with there is a ruckus goin on and he is distracted
I'd say Dark Passenger is just about right, but AvP does have alot of floors.
QuoteI'd say Dark Passenger is just about right, but AvP does have alot of floors.
And the way they kept moving around every ten minutes didn't help either.
Quote from: SM on Mar 31, 2010, 06:41:35 AM
QuoteI'd say Dark Passenger is just about right, but AvP does have alot of floors.
And the way they kept moving around every ten minutes didn't help either.
LOL!
Quote from: SM on Mar 31, 2010, 12:03:38 AM
I just bet theres some strange alternate dimension where the above comment makes sense...
Yeah the dimension where I was being a smart ass. That one.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2010, 04:21:08 AM
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 31, 2010, 12:53:50 AM
I'm not denying it's a stealthy f**ker, all I'm saying is that it's impossible for an Alien to be so stealthy that it's even undetectable by Predator hearing.
Except that's not really supported by the movies. Anytime doesn't hear every gentle leaf moving in the breeze, every insect in ten meters chirping, every displace rock scattering down a hillside. Nor does Pussyface hear every single conversation in a street, every single car engine going down the road.
What they do hear is very clear and in cases amplified, but we've never seen a Predator pick up on an incredibly quiet noise.
The mask is selective, you also don't know the capabilities of the Predators selectiveness without. But if you're going to disregard what the SFs say then I'd say sit down, watch Predator and just listen to how loud the footfalls of Dutch's team are as they move through the foliage. These are trained combat soldiers, they would make as little noise as possible, yet to the Predator they're loud as f**k.
Unless the Predator is severely preoccupied,
there is no way he's not going to hear an Alien coming for him.
The P1 Predator didn't see the log coming for him... ;D
Seeing is a different sense to hearing mate.
But the log did make a sound when it was released... the Predator could just have avoided it.
how needs to See pred marine but not the alien. to see is to believe but the alien knows...............
Quote from: Derrad on Mar 31, 2010, 02:06:08 PM
how needs to See pred marine but not the alien. to see is to believe but the alien knows...............
I... I dont follow what you're saying.
Quote from: Derrad on Mar 31, 2010, 02:06:08 PM
how needs to See pred marine but not the alien. to see is to believe but the alien knows...............
Where the f**k are you from?
some say that to see is to believe. what u see can technically be altered like the pred camo. but their are no evedens that an xenomorph can see like a tarantula even tho it has eight eyes it See's very poorly but their are allot of Small hairs with are very sensitive to movement
Quote from: Derrad on Mar 31, 2010, 02:25:26 PM
some say that to see is to believe. what u see can technically be altered like the pred camo. but their are no evedens that an xenomorph can see like a tarantula even tho it has eight eyes it See's very poorly but their are allot of Small hairs with are very sensitive to movement
:D
Can't tell if it's legit or a wind-up just yet. Either way, good show.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 01:44:31 PM
But the log did make a sound when it was released... the Predator could just have avoided it.
It was right above his head. By the time he even realized what was happening it was too late.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 31, 2010, 01:44:31 PM
But the log did make a sound when it was released... the Predator could just have avoided it.
How? Nothing could of gotten out of the way in time. If the log was moving before it came at him, he would of saw it coming. But logs don't do that.
That, and he was occupied. Really occupied.
He was enjoying f**king with his prey. He's sadistic.
most of them are but ad least thy don't rape their pray ::)
Aliens I believe are naturally stealthy creatures. We don't know if a Predator is a naturally stealthy creature or a trained creature.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 31, 2010, 01:36:18 PM
These are trained combat soldiers, they would make as little noise as possible, yet to the Predator they're loud as f**k.
They're moving through jungle. I can hear them even when it's not in Predator vision mode.
And like I said - You can hear the team, and what you can hear is clear as day, but you can't hear
every little sound around. Aliens are very, very,
very quiet, to the point we can't hear them. We've
never seen a Predator pick up a sound
that quiet before.
QuoteUnless the Predator is severely preoccupied, there is no way he's not going to hear an Alien coming for him.
Pussyface didn't
hear Keyes' team, he had to
see it. And even when he did, when we were in Pred vision we
still couldn't
hear the team moving around.
QuoteWe've never seen a Predator pick up a sound that quiet before.
Keyes' team made almost no sound at all, he could still hear the little creaking at the stairs, which made it very clear for him that somebody is in the huge slaughterhouse.
Mac made almost no sound, he still heard him and blasted his brain out. Jerry was talking to himself when walking down the street, yet he could hear hear him and the Predator was on top of the f**king Chrysler building. There is no doubt they can hear pretty, pretty,
pretty good, and they should be able to hear an Alien.
Ah, an epic duel between SiL and Johnny.
*goes for popcorn*
There are actually some pretty good points being made on both sides.
I am honestly split ... I perfer the Alien films but I am a bigger fan of the Predator creature for some reason ... IDK ... but yeah I think that this is an enternal debate.
The Predator is obviously selective about his hearing. From atop the Chrysler he can hear Jerry, but we don't hear anyone else. Quite simply if his natural hearing was just that good, even if he could hear the sounds and locate the source, he couldn't understand them all. They'd be too similar to each other; he'd loose track of, say, which voice is which.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Mar 31, 2010, 11:18:16 PM
The Predator is obviously selective about his hearing. From atop the Chrysler he can hear Jerry, but we don't hear anyone else. Quite simply if his natural hearing was just that good, even if he could hear the sounds and locate the source, he couldn't understand them all. They'd be too similar to each other; he'd loose track of, say, which voice is which.
You could easily lose track of voices doing that, & we're human. The Pred has
some understanding of English, but a whole lot less than you or I --- making it that much tougher.
Was he atop the Chrysler? I thought that was in NYC?
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Mar 31, 2010, 11:55:32 PM
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Mar 31, 2010, 11:18:16 PM
The Predator is obviously selective about his hearing. From atop the Chrysler he can hear Jerry, but we don't hear anyone else. Quite simply if his natural hearing was just that good, even if he could hear the sounds and locate the source, he couldn't understand them all. They'd be too similar to each other; he'd loose track of, say, which voice is which.
You could easily lose track of voices doing that, & we're human. The Pred has some understanding of English, but a whole lot less than you or I --- making it that much tougher.
Was he atop the Chrysler? I thought that was in NYC?
I wasn't actually paying much attention to what I was saying, just trying to get a point across. So, no, he was not atop the Chrysler. Damn you for confusing me, Johnny.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Apr 01, 2010, 12:19:41 AM
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Mar 31, 2010, 11:55:32 PM
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Mar 31, 2010, 11:18:16 PM
The Predator is obviously selective about his hearing. From atop the Chrysler he can hear Jerry, but we don't hear anyone else. Quite simply if his natural hearing was just that good, even if he could hear the sounds and locate the source, he couldn't understand them all. They'd be too similar to each other; he'd loose track of, say, which voice is which.
You could easily lose track of voices doing that, & we're human. The Pred has some understanding of English, but a whole lot less than you or I --- making it that much tougher.
Was he atop the Chrysler? I thought that was in NYC?
I wasn't actually paying much attention to what I was saying, just trying to get a point across. So, no, he was not atop the Chrysler. Damn you for confusing me, Johnny.
Was the Eastern Columbia Building in Los Angeles.
Had to correct that. :P
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 31, 2010, 09:28:46 PM
Keyes' team made almost no sound at all, he could still hear the little creaking at the stairs,
Which, again,
we could hear, too, when we weren't in Predator vision.
What I'm saying is, when we got to the Pred POV, we never hear sounds that were otherwise too quiet to hear - We only hear sounds we otherwise
could hear
amplified.
QuoteMac made almost no sound, he still heard him and blasted his brain out.
Except we don't know if the Predator heard him or saw him - There's a broad enough window for the latter to have happened.
QuoteJerry was talking to himself when walking down the street, yet he could hear hear him and the Predator was on top of the f**king Chrysler building.
Yet we couldn't hear any of the fifty other conversations in the street.
QuoteThere is no doubt they can hear pretty, pretty, pretty good,
Certainly.
Quoteand they should be able to hear an Alien.
Wholly unsupported by what we actually see in the films.
EDIT
Okay, I'm not saying Predators couldn't hear an Alien,
period (Their masks are clearly capable of amplifying sound). But saying that it would be impossible, or even
unlikely, for an Alien to sneak up on a Predator
because of its hearing simply isn't shown in the films.
I know I'm using Avpr as as source but.....
How about the Predator in the ship. He heard the other Predator being slaughtered and instantly knew what was up.
...Yeah, that wasn't exactly quiet.
Quote from: The Demon on Apr 01, 2010, 10:35:52 AM
I know I'm using Avpr as as source but.....
How about the Predator in the ship. He heard the other Predator being slaughtered and instantly knew what was up.
Dude, his comrade was squealing in agony. A deaf man would've heard that :P
i say none marines all the way they have the coolest weapens and there jst cool man
Quote from: BENDIDAT on Apr 02, 2010, 12:34:38 AM
i say none marines all the way they have the coolest weapens and there jst cool man
Great contribution.
Quote from: Puks on Mar 31, 2010, 09:30:40 PM
Ah, an epic duel between SiL and Johnny.
*goes for popcorn*
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 01, 2010, 03:23:08 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Apr 01, 2010, 10:35:52 AM
I know I'm using Avpr as as source but.....
How about the Predator in the ship. He heard the other Predator being slaughtered and instantly knew what was up.
Dude, his comrade was squealing in agony. A deaf man would've heard that :P
But it was as if he knew exactly what was going on. I remember first seeing that seen at the movies and being amazed by that.
Quote from: The Demon on Apr 04, 2010, 05:59:25 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 01, 2010, 03:23:08 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Apr 01, 2010, 10:35:52 AM
I know I'm using Avpr as as source but.....
How about the Predator in the ship. He heard the other Predator being slaughtered and instantly knew what was up.
Dude, his comrade was squealing in agony. A deaf man would've heard that :P
But it was as if he knew exactly what was going on. I remember first seeing that seen at the movies and being amazed by that.
They're on a ship transporting the most dangerous creatures in the galaxy. If you hear your friend scream like he just got impaled, it's a natural reaction to run in prepared for a fight.
I guess I never really looked at it that way.
QuoteThey're on a ship transporting the most dangerous creatures in the galaxy.
And never thought to check if they're dead comrade who'd just spent some time in an Alien hive might be packing a burster.
My thoughts precisely.
Quote from: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 12:01:35 AM
QuoteThey're on a ship transporting the most dangerous creatures in the galaxy.
And never thought to check if they're dead comrade who'd just spent some time in an Alien hive might be packing a burster.
They might have figured since he was dead he wouldn't be carrying one. Which, come to think of it, doesn't make sense in the context of the film since the burster jumped out of Sebastian as soon as he was shot. Anderson can't keep his film consistent, big surprise.
Though Sebastian showed signs of Fatigue etc, showing the 'Burster was already ready to erupt. It probably would of erupted then anyway with or without the shot.
What's the difference? A dead host means the burster can't fully develop (I think).
Hard to tell. We're not given the impression Babe dropped dead just before the scene with Frank and Murphy started and there we had a burster that popped out sometime later.
With AvP it's nigh on impossible to tell cos the life cycle is less than 10 minutes.
Babe, Frank, and Murphy, what? Who??
...
Babe the ox.
Frank and Murphy the prisoners.
Personally i would go for the Alien its a strong and swift killer it has no false feeling of honour or pride nor will it ever feel regret all it cares about is to feed and breed
for the hive!
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2010, 09:30:14 AM
Babe the ox.
Frank and Murphy the prisoners.
Alien 3 names...no wonder I don't remember them :P
Alien 3 is so underrated it's a crime.
I think it's cool. I like it more than the second movie.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 06, 2010, 09:50:14 PM
Alien 3 is so underrated it's a crime.
Agreed completely. I really, really wanted Hicks in, as anyone did. The fact that I came away from this film liking it in the end told me it'll probably always be better than it's credited with being.
It's tone matches the original's almost perfectly. Plus there's religious overtones to boot!
Aliens for me.
I just love how fast they are, and they don't need any weapons besides what they "naturally" have.
I like predators because they are TRAINED to kill, whereas the Xenos just kill. I like predators because their kill is special to them, and they can take on many heavily-armed enemies. The Aliens mostly attack by numbers when their enemies are armed. They fight for honor and a warrior's code.
Yeah, but Predators would get eviscerated via the technology Aliens have to put up with.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 06, 2010, 09:50:14 PM
Alien 3 is so underrated it's a crime.
Tell me about it. I actually prefere A3 a little better than the second film (Aliens). I just love the gothic setting and the religious cult that the prisoners had. It's the perfect set up for a Sci-fi horror.
"This is a lead works isn't it?....all we gotta do is lure the f**kin beast into the mould!!!" ;D
-Dillon
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 07, 2010, 09:17:25 AM
It's tone matches the original's almost perfectly. Plus there's religious overtones to boot!
And the Alien was way, way scarier. Even more so than Cameron's Warriors.
I watched the film the other day and found the Alien remarkably boring. It was like watching one of Cameron's faceless zombie-Aliens, except without the threat of dozens of them to make them in the least bit threatening. Its sole purpose was to rock up at inconvenient times and make heads explode.
I don't like Aliens and I have never watched it on TV when its appeared save a few minutes here and there. Don't get me wrong it was a great second chapter but it wasn't for me.
preds rule aliens are also great and leathal
Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2010, 09:31:46 PM
I watched the film the other day and found the Alien remarkably boring. It was like watching one of Cameron's faceless zombie-Aliens, except without the threat of dozens of them to make them in the least bit threatening. Its sole purpose was to rock up at inconvenient times and make heads explode.
Really? I didn't think it was mindless.
QuoteIt's tone matches the original's almost perfectly. Plus there's religious overtones to boot!
Odd that no one ever mentions Resurrections religious overtones...
Which ones? I remember 'Father' and the Chapel in the Auriga, but what else was there?
Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2010, 09:31:46 PM
Its sole purpose was to rock up at inconvenient times and make heads explode.
Pretty much like Kane's Son, then.
Or any Alien, or, hell, movie monster
ever. Agreed that Spike wasn't used as well as he could've been overall, but that's a really inspecific criticism .
QuoteWhich ones? I remember 'Father' and the Chapel in the Auriga, but what else was there?
The title and premise.
Stigmata on Ripley's hands.
Crucifixion imagery on Ripley descending into the hive (hell?), when Call sinks after being shot, when Johner hangs upside down, shape of the Betty.
Call's own 'resurrection'.
And if you want to get into Campbell, you can apply many of the Return stages of the Monomyth to Resurrection.
Damn, that's pretty deep. Subtle even in some cases; well, I'll give the film that much credit.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 08, 2010, 02:01:59 AM
Pretty much like Kane's Son, then.
The original Alien had off-screen presence and it drove the plot from about half an hour in until the end.
Spike has zero off-screen presence and drives the plot, kind'a, from about halfway in, and in the Extended Cut there's a chunk where he's captured and the plot wanders for a bit.
Even when the original Alien isn't caving someone's skull in, there's still a feeling of a lurking threat, particularly towards the end. When Spike's not on-screen there's zero tension, zero worry and zero dread. It pulls one death out of its ass that's pure awesome - Clemens, but the rest of the time there's a distinct difference in tone between 'People gonna die now' and 'people gonna talk now'.
Alien, at least, manages to keep you somewhat on edge.
And then there's the bloody thing's
on-screen presence, which as of my last viewing I label as 'Surprisingly boring' (This is Spike we're talking about).
Kane's Son is like an A-list actor chewing scenery. When it's there, it dominates the scene, it makes itself known. Spike, on the other hand, comes across much more as a much cheaper monster baddie, popping up to kill someone and not much else. It doesn't chew the scenery, just heads.
Pretty specific criticism.
Not arguing against any of that, but I thought you were referring to the Alien's on-screen presence. A3 shoots itself in the foot by allowing everyone to continue functioning properly while the Alien is loose, which is why I'd recut it to make the later part of it more dense with Alien activity.
That said, it's not really an issue with Spike as much as it's a part of the whole pacing issue.
If I were to summarise your point in a few words, would it be that Spike is too predictable? Because I agree with that.
Quote from: SM on Apr 08, 2010, 01:48:06 AM
QuoteIt's tone matches the original's almost perfectly. Plus there's religious overtones to boot!
Odd that no one ever mentions Resurrections religious overtones...
I know they're there, but I'm not talking about
Alien: Resurrection, so why should I refer to it.
Besides, I love the gothic vibe's in
A:R.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 08, 2010, 10:17:51 AM
Besides, I love the gothic vibe's in A:R.
So do I. That's just one of the things that got me into it. :)
The cinematography and score especially!
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 08, 2010, 06:51:16 AM
If I were to summarise your point in a few words, would it be that Spike is too predictable?
No, it's that he's unimpressive and boring to watch.
To paraphrase Parker, 'You know why they don't watch this movie? It's the Alien. It got no personality.'
Just what kind of personality did Gieger have in Alien(1)?
If you are referring to the creature, It didn't have any.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 08, 2010, 03:01:33 PM
If you are referring to the creature, It didn't have any.
Exactly. Sure, it was a bit more on the feminine side, but that's about it.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 08, 2010, 03:01:33 PM
If you are referring to the creature, It didn't have any.
Giger? Kane's Son?
The Alien? No personality?
Ha.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 08, 2010, 10:42:25 AM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 08, 2010, 06:51:16 AM
If I were to summarise your point in a few words, would it be that Spike is too predictable?
No, it's that he's unimpressive and boring to watch.
To paraphrase Parker, 'You know why they don't watch this movie? It's the Alien. It got no personality.'
Are you kidding me? The Runner had a ton of personality. He wasn't just an animal, or a movie monster; he was twisted. He was sadistic. His bloody smile, the mutilation of corpses, and a lot of other things. It was as if he himself was one of the psychotic criminals that the prison housed.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Apr 08, 2010, 03:26:34 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 08, 2010, 03:01:33 PM
If you are referring to the creature, It didn't have any.
Giger? Kane's Son? The Alien? No personality?
Ha.
Yep. We don't see the creature either angry or sad - we just see it one time screaming in pain, alas when Ripley shoots it with the hook thingy.
I don't know, sometimes he looks pretty horny... :o
All respect to the Alien fans but PREDATOR is the greatest coolest and badest creature to ever hit the big screen
horny atleast its somting
ok No personality but wen its horny.................. il let the rest up to u people
What?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 08, 2010, 03:29:08 PM
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Apr 08, 2010, 03:26:34 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 08, 2010, 03:01:33 PM
If you are referring to the creature, It didn't have any.
Giger? Kane's Son? The Alien? No personality?
Ha.
Yep. We don't see the creature either angry or sad - we just see it one time screaming in pain, alas when Ripley shoots it with the hook thingy.
I think you're getting emotion mixed up with personality.
Alien 3 vs. Alien? Is that the thread.
Both worked in different ways. I mean the aliens in Aliens didn't work as well as Mr.Giger's Alien.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Apr 08, 2010, 03:26:34 PM
Are you kidding me? The Runner had a ton of personality. He wasn't just an animal, or a movie monster; he was twisted. He was sadistic. His bloody smile, the mutilation of corpses, and a lot of other things. It was as if he himself was one of the psychotic criminals that the prison housed.
Watch Alien and A³ back to back. The original Alien is this unpredictable, alien thing, slow and methodical, clearly thinking while it goes about tearing people to pieces. There's a brain in there, ticking over. What it's thinking only God knows, but there's the feel that there's
something there, it isn't acting on raw instinct and not everything it does seeks to serve some definitive purpose.
Spike, the dragon, the dog Alien, whatever - Sure, it doesn't kill Ripley, and follows after her and Dillon when Dillon seems to be threatening her, but for most of the movie its behaviour is entirely functional. Hell, that's being kind -
all of its behaviour is entirely functional. There are no little behavioural ticks to it at
all. 99.9% of its screentime involves showing up just long enough to mutilate someone, and if it isn't doing that, it's just illustrating how it
won't kill Ripley.
It's like watching an Alien from
Aliens, except without the numbers to make it interesting. It's just ... there. I don't find it interesting to watch. It doesn't chew scenery, it never commands the scene. Even when the original was behind Brett out of focus in the background, your attention was on it.
Ok, granted "Spike" wasn't all that attention grabbing, but the Aliens in Aliens were far worse!
And their numbers didn't make them any more interesting, if anything it made them less of a threat.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 08, 2010, 10:08:09 PM
but the Aliens in Aliens were far worse!
And? We're talking about
Alien³, not
Aliens.
But if you noticed, I've been mentioning the
Aliens creatures. They're not far worse, they're the same. But at least they have numbers to make them feel threatening and create tension. The sea of dots on the motion tracker was singularly more frightening than anything
Alien³ managed in its entire runtime.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 08, 2010, 09:38:57 PM
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Apr 08, 2010, 03:26:34 PM
Are you kidding me? The Runner had a ton of personality. He wasn't just an animal, or a movie monster; he was twisted. He was sadistic. His bloody smile, the mutilation of corpses, and a lot of other things. It was as if he himself was one of the psychotic criminals that the prison housed.
Watch Alien and A³ back to back. The original Alien is this unpredictable, alien thing, slow and methodical, clearly thinking while it goes about tearing people to pieces. There's a brain in there, ticking over. What it's thinking only God knows, but there's the feel that there's something there, it isn't acting on raw instinct and not everything it does seeks to serve some definitive purpose.
Spike, the dragon, the dog Alien, whatever - Sure, it doesn't kill Ripley, and follows after her and Dillon when Dillon seems to be threatening her, but for most of the movie its behaviour is entirely functional. Hell, that's being kind - all of its behaviour is entirely functional. There are no little behavioural ticks to it at all. 99.9% of its screentime involves showing up just long enough to mutilate someone, and if it isn't doing that, it's just illustrating how it won't kill Ripley.
It's like watching an Alien from Aliens, except without the numbers to make it interesting. It's just ... there. I don't find it interesting to watch. It doesn't chew scenery, it never commands the scene. Even when the original was behind Brett out of focus in the background, your attention was on it.
No Alien showed that kind of brutality before, or seemed to take such pleasure in its kills. Kane's Son was definitely a more powerful stage presence, but you can't deny that the Dragon had personality; maybe he was a bit cliched, but looking at him as an Alien? He was wild and violent on levels we hadn't seen, again, much like the prisoners. (The prisoner point is irrelevant to my argument but it makes the Runner seem more artsy, so I'll roll with it.)
QuoteNo Alien showed that kind of brutality before
Ripping brains out through the forehead or doing unspeakable (not to mention unfilmable) things to Lambert isn't brutal?
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Apr 08, 2010, 11:16:00 PM
No Alien showed that kind of brutality before,
So?
Quoteor seemed to take such pleasure in its kills.
I didn't see anything resembling 'taking pleasure' in its kills, any more than the Alien that tears apart Molly's dad in
AvPR did.
Quotebut you can't deny that the Dragon had personality;
Can and am.
Quotebut looking at him as an Alien?
That's where I fault him.
I watched Alien, then two days later watched A³, and the difference between the two monsters is incredible. One was an engaging movie monster. The other was something I expect to see in a direct to video monster flick. Guess which was which.
QuoteHe was wild and violent on levels we hadn't seen, again, much like the prisoners.
And to bookend my post, I repeat:
So?
Quote from: SiL on Apr 08, 2010, 11:29:22 PM
I didn't see anything resembling 'taking pleasure' in its kills, any more than the Alien that tears apart Molly's dad in AvPR did.
It did grin right after it tore Murphy (?) to pieces.
Boggs.
And don't come back till you know all their names, noob.
And the grin is subjective.
I can't help it if they were forgettable :P
Oh yes. I now recall "unnecessary", "tolerable" coupled with "my favourite after Alien".
???
The characters in Requiem were forgettable but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy it.
I remember Dillon, Clemmens, 85, Murphy, and Andrews. Bishop and Ripley go without saying.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 08, 2010, 11:37:11 PM
It did grin right after it tore Murphy (?) to pieces.
I made sure to watch for that.
He bares his teeth. There's no real grin to it, it's a threatening gesture.
The Alien looking at Jones, now
that's a smile.
o hai!
u gonna git raped
soon az i can openz this box.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 09, 2010, 12:47:59 AM
u gonna git raped
soon az i can openz this box.
Quote from: SM on Apr 08, 2010, 11:21:44 PM
or doing unspeakable (not to mention unfilmable) things to Lambert isn't brutal?
Okay, now I have to ask you, in all honesty, for better or worse.... what the hell are you talking about?
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Apr 09, 2010, 01:43:58 AM
Okay, now I have to ask you, in all honesty, for better or worse.... what the hell are you talking about?
The two quotes have nothing to do with each other.
SM and my last posts were about the smile the Alien makes looking at Jones in the catbox. The "unfilmable things to Lambert" is in response to Drago Morph insisting no Alien was as brutal as Spike.
Oh, I thought you meant there was some scene in the script were the Alien actually raped Lambert, only it wasn't filmed.
THANK. GOD.
Not a scripted scene no. Essentially it just killed her. However from the way it's presented it could be construed as a particularly nasty and ultimately fatal rape.
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Apr 09, 2010, 02:16:30 AM
Oh, I thought you meant there was some scene in the script were the Alien actually raped Lambert, only it wasn't filmed.
THANK. GOD.
It's implied. The tail reaches up behind her and then you hear a very, very, otherworldly scream.
((x_x))
Good job this thread hasn't gone off topic once! Just kidding its okay but I wnat to go back to the A vs. P fights. They are funner then Giger's Alien vs. The Runner.
Then in that case, I say Predator=(L).
And so the true thread emerges.
We've seen the light!
But for how long?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 09, 2010, 11:23:19 PM
But for how long?
The "light" was literally instantaneous; one post and it was gone, considering all these posts talking about how now the thread is back on topic are, in themselves, off topic.
I love going off-topic. :D
I think Predators and Aliens are tied in coolness. I mean I usually support a Predator but I think for movies the Alien ones were superior.
Why must we compare them anyways? We get bad movies out of doing that.
Because some geniuses thought it would be a great idea, so here we are.
The concept of Alien and Predator together isn't that bad. But its often been poorly executed ( from film to comics.)
I hate how it's gotten to the point that many people consider the two franchises one and the same. To me, they will always be completely independent.
QuoteI hate how it's gotten to the point that many people consider the two franchises one and the same.
I kind of agree. The two creature being bound together lose great potential of their respectable franchises.
Not that I dislike the idea itself. But I'd rather think first about predator and alien, and then combined.
And a well made work representing both creatures engaging is still to be done.
There's billions of Planets out there, so there's bound to be more than one Species of life. Infact, it's safe to say there will be thousands.
I'm not sure what you're talking about, but there are hundreds of billions of species on this planet alone.
Would you prefer it if I said Alien lifeforms? Extraterrestrials?
I'm still not entirely sure why you made that post. What do you mean by species of life?
There are at least several hundred millions planets with near Earth like condition. And thats in our galaxy alone ...
Chance of ET life somewhere out there? Yes!
QuoteThere are at least several hundred millions planets with near Earth like condition. And thats in our galaxy alone ...
There are? I mean other than on Star Trek?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 12, 2010, 11:25:55 PM
I'm still not entirely sure why you made that post. What do you mean by species of life?
I simply meant the probability of two extraterrestrials meeting in Space (or a temple) is completely believable in my mind :)
Okay. But, keep in mind that the galaxy, let alone the entire universe, is completely beyond comprehension in its size.
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Apr 12, 2010, 11:47:00 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 12, 2010, 11:25:55 PM
I'm still not entirely sure why you made that post. What do you mean by species of life?
I simply meant the probability of two extraterrestrials meeting in Space (or a temple) is completely believable in my mind :)
The chances of meeting a specific person from your country in a supermarket is extraordinarily slim, and you're saying it's completely believable for two
different species to meet in
the same exact building out of
the entire galaxy?
It's completely believeable if one of the species put the other there to begin with.
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2010, 01:32:31 AM
It's completely believeable if one of the species put the other there to begin with.
Of course that would be believable if one species had exact knowledge of where the other was and was actively seeking them. I got the impression we were talking about the AVP '10 game, where the Predators first stumbled upon the Aliens in the temple (according to the game).
Sorry. I thought we were talking about the AvP film.
I'm still not sure what we're talking about. :-\
about the possibility of alien and predator meeting somehow. I guess.
Are they both on eHarmony?
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2010, 06:18:13 AM
Are they both on eHarmony?
:D
Not sure about their compatibility, though. I guess they do have slaughtering humans in common as a pastime.
Only facehggers, looking for a short but inward relationship
Predator ...
More intelligent, SKILLED, honorable, a hunter ...
Honourable....
Hoo boy.... :D
Quote from: SM on Apr 09, 2010, 02:32:02 AM
Not a scripted scene no. Essentially it just killed her. However from the way it's presented it could be construed as a particularly nasty and ultimately fatal rape.
That would be very mysterious subtext and would have to be strongly assumed by the viewer.
The facehugger is an essential form of rape.
But the scene with Lambert and the tail, and how it gently moves around her? Hmmm ... it can have sexual connotation to it, but I don't think it's insinuating a form of rape. That would have to be assumed by the viewer. And the only reason to get that as an assumption is taking into account the strong sexual / phallic symbol that the entire design of Giger's Alien represents.
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2010, 06:50:04 AM
Honourable....
Hoo boy.... :D
Not in the classic sense of the word. But you don't see how one could come to the conclusion based off the movies Predator and Predator 2 that the Predator creature has some form of ethics or morality?
???
Not really. I just reckon they have rules for hunting (like sparing the unarmed or pregnant). I don't find shooting prey unaware from long range with laser guided energy weapons while cloaked to be especially honourable.
QuoteBut the scene with Lambert and the tail, and how it gently moves around her? Hmmm ... it can have sexual connotation to it, but I don't think it's insinuating a form of rape.
The tail goes between her legs. Hence the insinuation. Doesn't mean that's what actually happened, but Riddles is putting the image in our mind.
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2010, 06:56:23 AM
Not really. I just reckon they have rules for hunting (like sparing the unarmed or pregnant). I don't find shooting prey unaware from long range with laser guided energy weapons while cloaked to be especially honourable.
QuoteBut the scene with Lambert and the tail, and how it gently moves around her? Hmmm ... it can have sexual connotation to it, but I don't think it's insinuating a form of rape.
The tail goes between her legs. Hence the insinuation. Doesn't mean that's what actually happened, but Riddles is putting the image in our mind.
I agree with you (about the Pred issue) but you can't super-impose human thoughts onto alien minds. Who knows how it thinks about what it's doing.
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2010, 06:56:23 AM
Not really. I just reckon they have rules for hunting (like sparing the unarmed or pregnant). I don't find shooting prey unaware from long range with laser guided energy weapons while cloaked to be especially honourable.
Then that would be your perception. A deviation on reality. Do you call human beings who hunt deer for sport, or various other animals dishonorable people? Do you look down upon them?
And you said it yourself, they have rules. What are the ingredients or origins of rules? Ethics and morality.
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2010, 06:56:23 AM
The tail goes between her legs. Hence the insinuation. Doesn't mean that's what actually happened, but Riddles is putting the image in our mind.
No ... I think it takes a bit of reaching to come to that conclusion.
Not for those with any sort of imagination.
QuoteI agree with you (about the Pred issue) but you can't super-impose human thoughts onto alien minds. Who knows how it thinks about what it's doing.
Who said I was...?
QuoteDo you call human beings who hunt deer for sport, or various other animals dishonorable people?
I don't think honour even enters into the argument when it comes to hunting. With Predators or humans.
You said, "I don't consider."
Yeah and?
How is it any different from someone saying "They're honourable"?
By human standards - cos that's the only one I can apply - I don't believe they're honourable.
Quote
I don't think honour even enters into the argument when it comes to hunting. With Predators or humans.
Depends on era, culture and geographical location. For humans.
Don't act like it wasn't a reasonable inference on my part to see it the way I did.
"I don't consider X honourable."
Well, he's not you. He's not even human. Obviously, that isn't what you meant, but that is more than understandable on someone else's part to infer you were thinking as though he thinks the way we do. He doesn't.
QuoteDepends on era, culture and geographical location. For humans.
Does it?
I could see some honour in it if you got close enough to a deer (or better yet a bear or something that could really fight back) and were able to take it down hand to hand. Or even at range witha bow and arrow. But otherwise - it's simply sport. I don't see any honour in golf either.
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2010, 07:06:56 AM
Not for those with any sort of imagination.
You're saying I don't have an imagination because I don't believe that was the intent of a quick shot of the alien's tail wrapping around her leg near the ground? Why would an Alien creature even have a sexual drive to even insinuate something like that? It wouldn't even make sense. It's really you reaching. If you derive a higher sense of enjoyment from that moment, that is on you and your "imagination" but it is you reaching if you're stating that was Scott's pure intent with that image. Because the creature is Alien, and none of its other actions represent human based instincts or actions such as the way forceably fornicating with a female would.
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2010, 07:06:56 AMI don't think honour even enters into the argument when it comes to hunting. With Predators or humans.
Way to ignore the rest of the post in which I asked, and you conceded that the Predator does have a sense of rules in regards to hunting. Where do rules come from? Ethichs / Morality. The Predator isn't a beast like monster in the sense that he kills off instinct or for the sake of it. When he's running around the jungle of Cambodia, or the rooftops of a major metropolitan city like L.A. he isn't killing everything he comes in contact with like say an Alien.
Therefore ... the movie monster known as the Predator does have a code of conduct.
The clan of Predators doesn't slaughter Harrigan when they find him on their ship. Instead they honor his victory and give him a trophy through their token of respect. Where does respect come from? A sense of honor to one's character, or sharing in admiration of qualities in another. Once again ... rules, ethics, morality, intelligence to decide ... things a Predator has that an Alien does not.
QuoteYou're saying I don't have an imagination because I don't believe that was the intent of a quick shot of the alien's tail wrapping around her leg near the ground? Why would an Alien creature even have a sexual drive to even insinuate something like that? It wouldn't even make sense. It's really you reaching. If you derive a higher sense of enjoyment from that moment, that is on you and your "imagination" but it is you reaching if you're stating that was Scott's pure intent with that image. Because the creature is Alien, and none of its other actions represent human based instincts or actions such as the way forceably fornicating with a female would.
Point = well and truly missed.
QuoteWay to ignore the rest of the post in which I asked, and you conceded that the Predator does have a sense of rules in regards to hunting. Where do rules come from? Ethichs / Morality. The Predator isn't a beast like monster in the sense that he kills off instinct or for the sake of it. When he's running around the jungle of Cambodia, or the rooftops of a major metropolitan city like L.A. he isn't killing everything he comes in contact with like say an Alien.
Therefore ... the movie monster known as the Predator does have a code of conduct.
The clan of Predators doesn't slaughter Harrigan when they find him on their ship. Instead they honor his victory and give him a trophy through their token of respect. Where does respect come from? A sense of honor to one's character, or sharing in admiration of qualities in another. Once again ... rules, ethics, morality, intelligence to decide ... things a Predator has that an Alien does not.
Go you. I don't agree. And I think Quick n Slick may object to your superimposing human thoughts onto an alien mind...
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2010, 07:15:16 AM
I could see some honour in it if you got close enough to a deer (or better yet a bear or something that could really fight back) and were able to take it down hand to hand. Or even at range witha bow and arrow. But otherwise - it's simply sport. I don't see any honour in golf either.
Well that would make you a close minded geek then ... because any "sport" has a sense of honor through competition. Which essentially Predator's hunts are ... they have a sport like quality to them. And in this case, a Predator hunting a special forces unit isn't as "dishonorable" as a human killing a deer. Deer are primitive, don't have weapons or intelligence to match their hunter's counter parts. The game the Predator hunts can very much fend for themselves as to make it not seem so "dishonorable"
It is you looking down upon the sport of hunting which makes you proclaim them dishonorable. But in terms of how they are potrayed on screen, they very much have a code of conduct. Does that mean everything they do is altruistic or ideal? No ... they kill humans as sport. But how they do it is honorable to an extent. They have rules and guidlines. They don't just kill to kill. They take mercy on people.
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2010, 07:18:52 AM
Go you. I don't agree. And I think Quick n Slick may object to your superimposing human thoughts onto an alien mind...
If you're reffering to the Predator creature, he'd be wrong as well. Because the Predator "alien" mind has many examples through its comprable forms of intelligence as showing through numerous examples as having thoughts akin to what the human mind can formulate.
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2010, 07:15:16 AM
QuoteDepends on era, culture and geographical location. For humans.
Does it?
I could see some honour in it if you got close enough to a deer (or better yet a bear or something that could really fight back) and were able to take it down hand to hand. Or even at range witha bow and arrow. But otherwise - it's simply sport. I don't see any honour in golf either.
In some cultures, you need to. Sioux or apaches (dunno which) considered it a great deal of bravery and honour if some punched a bear in the nose. Or in the middle ages in going with spear for a boar. I mentioned era too. I'm not telling about modern day hunting. Just because nowadays hunting doesn't have the same meaning as it had centuries ago, it can have it.
Well yeah in the old days, you had to hunt to eat. I guess in some cultures it had honour involved. But I think a lot of the time it was just getting food on the table.
The honour came from facing an incredible foe with only your skill and wits.
Which isn't what Predators do. They find the neatest prey, turn themselves invisible, get as far away from it as possible and snipe its ass.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 07:34:47 AM
Which isn't what Predators do. They find the neatest prey, turn themselves invisible, get as far away from it as possible and snipe its ass.
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LMAO
Hardly ...
Mac? Up close ... point blank even.
Dillion? Right up close.
Billy? Up close.
Arnold? Up close, no weapons
Danny Boy? Up close
Jamaicans? Up Close
King Willy? Up Close
Lone Ranger? Up Close
Harrigan? Up Close
Sure it takes some people out with weapons from a distance, but not all as you make it sound.
Try again.
Quote from: Race_of_Hunters on Apr 13, 2010, 07:39:41 AM
Try again.
No need.
Sure, Preds have killed a lot of people up-close - But they were physically far superior to their prey, and always had better gear. Honour came from kicking the shit out of something twice as big and strong as you, not something half your size that you can backhand a dozen meters.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 07:43:35 AM
Sure, Preds have killed a lot of people up-close - But they were physically far superior to their prey, and always had better gear.
Doesn't make it dishonorable. And doesn't mean the characters don't have some form or code of ethics. Which they clearly do given the examples stated. They aren't mindless creatures operating instinctually. Their game had weaponry capable of giving the Predator a mess of damage as well.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 07:43:35 AMHonour came from kicking the shit out of something twice as big and strong as you, not something half your size that you can backhand a dozen meters.
That has nothing to do with honor. It showed honor through 1 on 1 competition. The willingness to give someone a chance to fight on level ground. Predator could've easily murked Dutch when he was resting on the log. Advantages or disadvantages physically have no bearing on a code of honor or ethics.
I'll go kill the shit out of a bunch of five year olds and you can tell me how honourable that is.
Quote from: Race_of_Hunters on Apr 13, 2010, 07:48:53 AM
Doesn't make it dishonorable.
What's honourable about wailing on a five year old?
QuoteAnd doesn't mean the characters don't have some form or code of ethics.
They have rules, sure - But they seem geared more towards making it more fun for them, rather than slaughtering people wholesale.
QuoteThe willingness to give someone a chance to fight on level ground.
A chance? Arnold freaking Schwarzenegger couldn't even hurt the thing, what chance would most people have?
Humans are pretty much physically incapable of harming a Predator without weapons; the Pred going hand-to-hand wasn't giving Arnie a fair shot, it was nailing home how much Arnie was f**ked. Any way you cut it, the Pred was going to win that fight - Arnie essentially had to
cheat.
QuoteHonour came from kicking the shit out of something twice as big and strong as you
According to p2 skulls they did in the past.
Humans aren't dangerous because their physichal abilities but their weapons and intellect. They can kill preds with the right weaponary and knowledge. PF and AT sisn't stop hunting when their cloak were down or their weapons got disabled. And most of their kills aren't from sniping.
hence:
QuoteWhich isn't what Predators do. They find the neatest prey, turn themselves invisible, get as far away from it as possible and snipe its ass.
wrong
Of course it doesn't mean they hunt for honour.
QuoteWell yeah in the old days, you had to hunt to eat. I guess in some cultures it had honour involved. But I think a lot of the time it was just getting food on the table.
Damn, I thought I answered you, now I see I didn't, sry.
Mostly it's for food, but at some point honour and dominance comes in. I'm just saying that it's possible, thus in some cases hunting can be considered as an honourable action.
I don't refer to preds as honourable though, those times are over...
But I mean that with the right circumstances and arguments it might be proven.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 07:51:37 AM
I'll go kill the shit out of a bunch of five year olds and you can tell me how honourable that is.
Pretty much not even like that ... the five year olds don't have the intellgence to match you (Arnold and his team are certainly as witty as the Predator, in Dutch's case maybe more so) ... they aren't so physically inferior that they stand NO chance or can't at the very least defend themselves. And of course the Predators game had major weaponry, that in both films inflicted quite a bit of damage on the Predators.
The five year old going to throw Beanie Babies at you? Not even comprable.
So your comparison is completely erranreous and doesn't hold any water.
Plus the Predator shows the intelligence and will power to not kill everything it sees, only worthy opponents (IE people who can fend for themselves) and even shows remorse, and respect in some cases.
Another Alien fanboy heard from? Try again, fellas
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Apr 13, 2010, 07:56:44 AM
Humans aren't dangerous because their physichal abilities but their weapons and intellect. They can kill preds with the right weaponary and knowledge. PF and AT sisn't stop hunting when their cloak were down or their weapons got disabled.
OMG, someone gets it that isn't a rabid fanboy with an agenda.
YAY !!!
Making that kind of claim doesn't help your argument any.
Besides, the point stands. Literal five year olds don't matter. You could give cripples knives and I could still wail on them. And the point would be the same.
The Predator was taking on physically inferior enemies with inferior senses and inferior equipment and inferior weaponry.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 08:00:28 AM
The Predator was taking on physically inferior enemies with inferior senses and inferior equipment and inferior weaponry.
His prey was inferior physically, but not to the point of handicap.
And were as intelligent, and out numbered him, and only had inferior weaponry in a one v one sense of comparison but all together had way more fire power, and inflicted alot of said damage with that weaponry.
Once again going to extemes and even in accurate statements to try and prove your point.
I'd argue that the "honour" interpretation is the extremist view. It reads too far into the films when you're just supposed to go "oh shit, this thing's a killer". That's literally as far as it needs to extend. Anything else is superfluous.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 08:05:16 AM
I'd argue that the "honour" interpretation is the extremist view. It reads too far into the films when you're just supposed to go "oh shit, this thing's a killer". That's literally as far as it needs to extend. Anything else is superfluous.
Actually you're supposed to read, "oh shit this thing is a hunter"
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Apr 13, 2010, 07:56:44 AM
Humans aren't dangerous because their physichal abilities but their weapons and intellect. They can kill preds with the right weaponary and knowledge.
So a Predator going hand-to-hand with a human is just a Predator being a douche.
The distinction between "hunter" and "killer" only has relevance insofar as we're talking about plot justification. When it comes down to dramatic effect and the relationship of the Predator with the characters, there's absolutely no difference.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 08:05:16 AM
I'd argue that the "honour" interpretation is the extremist view.
No one says the thing is completely honroable, either. But the thing clearly has a sense or code of conduct that governs its actions. This undeniable. "Honorable" I guess is open to interpretation. But to say the Predators don't have some form of ethics is a straight up fallacy.
They probably have some sort of ethics concerning how they treat their own kind.
There's small evidence to suggest that they have many ethics concerning their prey, considering the whole sniping-from-a-distance-while-invisible thing and the corpse mutilation.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 08:08:04 AM
The distinction between "hunter" and "killer" only has relevance insofar as we're talking about plot justification. When it comes down to dramatic effect and the relationship of the Predator with the characters, there's absolutely no difference.
Sure there is ... a hunter kills for sport. It is stated in subtext and developed on in sequels that their hunts is a cultural way of life. A killer kills for self gratification and/or other personal reasons or agendas. The Predator doesn't just kill anything in its path. It chooses. And chooses based off sport reasons.
No-one doubts they hunt for sport.
Just plenty who say they don't hunt for honour.
... considering that the characters justify the Predator's hunt to begin with via being chosen prey, the distinction isn't hugely relevant.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 08:10:42 AM
There's small evidence to suggest that they have many ethics concerning their prey, considering the whole sniping-from-a-distance-while-invisible thing and the corpse mutilation.
There is actually numerous instances, especially given the small amount of screen time expanding on the character that flat out states it has a code of ethics concerning their prey.
Sniping from a distance was rarely done, and was generally used in self defense instances when he was being shot at from a distance.
Corpse mutilation? Only for trophies. Skinned bodies? Hunters will often gut and dress their prey while still in the field. Hunters are also known to cut off body parts, e.g., antlers, claws, fur, heads, etc., as trophies.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 08:12:19 AM
No-one doubts they hunt for sport.
Just plenty who say they don't hunt for honour.
This I agree with ... I don't think they hunt FOR honor. Maybe honor from their peers. But it is for sport.
They do however have a sense of honor to an extent in their actions and the way they carry themselves.
Quote from: Race_of_Hunters on Apr 13, 2010, 08:14:59 AM
There is actually numerous instances, especially given the small amount of screen time expanding on the character that flat out states it has a code of ethics concerning their prey.
Sniping from a distance was rarely done, and was generally used in self defense instances when he was being shot at from a distance.
Corpse mutilation? Only for trophies. Skinned bodies? Hunters will often gut and dress their prey while still in the field. Hunters are also known to cut off body parts, e.g., antlers, claws, fur, heads, etc., as trophies.
None of which are evidence of honour.
But all of which are evidence of the Predator choosing fun ways of killing prey.
Also, the characters don't really know shit. All they can do is guess, and even Arnie didn't think the Predator was honourable, he just worked out that Anytime wouldn't waste effort if something wasn't fun.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 08:20:22 AM
None of which are evidence of honour.
Making trophies of a kill is giving something a sense of honor or value.
Value, yes.
Honour in no way comes into that.
Value, sure. Honour, no.
Game hunters don't treat lion heads with honour, or as a mark of honour. It shows they have big balls.
EDIT
GOD DAMMIT MadassAlex! :P
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 08:25:11 AM
Value, sure. Honour, no.
Game hunters don't treat lion heads with honour, or as a mark of honour. It shows they have big balls.
EDIT
GOD DAMMIT MadassAlex! :P
When you play the game with the best, you straight-up lose,
nigga.
Quote from: Race_of_Hunters on Apr 13, 2010, 08:25:18 AM
Perception ...
Or not. Taking trophies in no way implies honour.
Honestly, if the directors wanted honour, there's a thousand ways they can imply that. But they didn't.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 08:07:08 AM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Apr 13, 2010, 07:56:44 AM
Humans aren't dangerous because their physichal abilities but their weapons and intellect. They can kill preds with the right weaponary and knowledge.
So a Predator going hand-to-hand with a human is just a Predator being a douche.
No, it's a way to give the human more chance. More thrilling, more valuable.
V
QuoteValue, yes.
Honour in no way comes into that.
this
No way is too much though. As for humans, for preds it can go also. But it's up to the individual, not the race itself, so cannot be described as base of behaviour.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 08:25:11 AM
Value, sure. Honour, no.
Sure it can be considered honor ...
If the Predator has such high respect for it's prey that it keeps its skull as a trophy, that is showing his prey honor.
If he didn't care for the kill, or said prey was just cannon fodder that he killed in self defense and he left its worthless body to rot without giving it so much of thought, that would not be showing something a sense of honor.
Keeping something as a trophy shows a sense of distinction of that prey, and showing something a sense of distinction is the definition of HONOR ...
;)
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Apr 13, 2010, 08:28:15 AM
No, it's a way to give the human more chance. More thrilling, more valuable.
But humans pose no physical threat. It's not more of a chance. In a purely hand-to-hand fight a Predator
will win.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 08:27:40 AM
Or not. Taking trophies in no way implies honour.
I addressed the other dudes post that echoed yours above. Read ...
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Apr 13, 2010, 08:28:15 AM
this
No way is too much though. As for humans, for preds it can go also. But it's up to the individual, not the race itself, so cannot be described as base of behaviour.
I can get behind that idea.
No doubt that a Predator would be considered a complete badass amongst its kind if it could prove that it took certain trophies certain ways. And some would attach moral significance to that kind of thing.
The whole keeping-skull-as-respect thing has different interpretations. For instance, the mutilation of the corpse might be a symbol of dominance more than anything else.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 08:27:40 AM
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Sure it can be considered honor ...
If the Predator has such high respect for it's prey that it keeps its skull as a trophy, that is showing his prey honor.
If he didn't care for the kill, or said prey was just cannon fodder that he killed in self defense and he left its worthless body to rot without giving it so much of thought, that would not be showing something a sense of honor.
Keeping something as a trophy shows a sense of distinction of that prey, and
showing something a sense of distinction is the definition of HONOR ...
No. My last girlfriend was distinct from the others, but that doesn't mean anything I ever did to her was honourable.
In fact, distinction can be a seat if dishonour. What about a hated foe that you went out of your way to fight dirty against? Distinction. But you're fighting dirty.
Honour is fighting your enemy on equal terms. Predators do not do this. The movies don't show this. Not even all the EU material likes the idea - the original AvP comic had Predators slaughtering unarmed families and civilians that had the bad luck to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
It's an inconsistent concept.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 08:42:45 AM
No. My last girlfriend was distinct from the others, but that doesn't mean anything I ever did to her was honourable.
I can't even converse with you because you keep making convoluted comparisons that make little to no sense given the comparison to the subject matter in question
And you stay not knowing the very definition of the words you're arguing.
Keeping a skull is showing a prey an honor of distinction, value, high regard ... which by definition is showing something honor.
And even to address your unrelated point, the Predator has fought quite a few enemies on equal terms. And I've touched on quite a few in this thread alone.
Predator taking off all his gear for 1 v 1 combat in the finale of the original is lost in your memory bank, for starters?
Honour has a huge list of definitions.
Not an equal battle because the Predator was so much stronger than Arnie.
And the reason I keep using the examples I do is because I'm bring the concept down to its most basic level. Using examples that don't fit the context of the films is fine because it shows that you can't generalise the definitions you're using.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 08:48:57 AM
Honour has a huge list of definitions.
Exactly ...
Kane's Son didn't take advantage of his incredible speed and agility in Alien because he felt that the Nostromo crew didn't have enough of a chance.
Egg-morphing was a symbol of his honour, taking the ones he thought to be worthy to be converted into his own kind.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 08:49:26 AM
Not an equal battle because the Predator was so much stronger than Arnie.
No, it is an equal battle. Predator just so happens to be physically stronger. He still shows him the respect of removing any weaponry. That is honor. Wait ... because he's an other world life form and happens to be stronger naturally, that it doesn't count as showing honor? Was he supposed to tie his hand behind his back to make it fair or honorable in your eyes?
It's a fair fight. He puts himself at the level of Dutch in that scene. He acknowledges he has no weapons, could've killed him on the spot, gives him creedance or respect given he's been such an admirable foe ... removes his gear and fights him in hand to hand combat.
That isn't negated by the fact he just so happens to be stronger. Arnie is still physically capable of defending himself. But yes, it's a very equal conditions. And he gave Dutch that out of a sense of honor or respect.
No ... all the definitions I use aren't generalized. They are the exact meanings of the word, bruh.
Arnie hit the Predator in the face and it didn't even flinch. It picked him up - with one hand, mind - and threw him several feet. Arnie struggled to flee while the Predator just walked towards him, Terminator-style. Anytime clearly had complete and utter dominance of the combat situation and knew it. Arnie didn't have a chance.
And putting an enemy in a situation where they have no chance of winning is pretty much the textbook definition of being a dick.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 08:54:20 AM
Kane's Son didn't take advantage of his incredible speed and agility in Alien because he felt that the Nostromo crew didn't have enough of a chance.
The agenda shows itself? When in ALIEN does the creature ever show its ability to be incredibly fast, and then do we see a CONCIOUS effort on its part to give it's prey a chance?
It doesn't.
ALIEN is an instinctual creature that just "does things" ...
It isn't "clouded by delusions of morality, or conciousness"
;)
Quote from: Race_of_Hunters on Apr 13, 2010, 08:58:37 AM
The agenda shows itself? When in ALIEN does the creature ever show its ability to be incredibly fast, and then do we see a CONCIOUS effort on its part to give it's prey a chance?
It doesn't.
ALIEN is an instinctual creature that just "does things" ...
It isn't "clouded by delusions of morality, or conciousness"
;)
I was being sarcastic and showing the fallacy of your argument in the process. You choose to believe in a very selective interpretation of P1 and P2 that supports your point. But when I applied that same selective interpretation to A1, you denied it completely.
EDIT: You also assume that I think honour is inherently good. I think it's a concept that weakens any monster that we're supposed to fear. One of the reasons I dislike honour when it comes to the Predator is that it essentially hamstrings it.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 09:00:28 AM
I was being sarcastic and showing the fallacy of your argument in the process. You choose to believe in a very selective interpretation of P1 and P2 that supports your point. But when I applied that same selective interpretation to A1, you denied it completely.
No, because my points are proven in real context in the story. For instance we see Predator use his weaponry to kill countless prey in the film. Then we see him CHOOSE to not use those options at his disposal when it comes time to go at Dutch, and instead opts to show his prey respect of fighting him without any weaponry.
In Alien we never see the Alien use incredible speed, then see him conciously not use said physical abilities to give his prey a chance. YOU made that up. And twisted it in your mind into thinking you proved some kind of point. LMAO ...
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 09:00:28 AM
EDIT: You also assume that I think honour is inherently good. I think it's a concept that weakens any monster that we're supposed to fear. One of the reasons I dislike honour when it comes to the Predator is that it essentially hamstrings it.
Depends on the threat that you're making him into ...
We clearly see that you can have a warped code of ethics or honor and still be terrifying.
/facepalm.
Since I was being sarcastic, my point didn't need to be supported. Because it wasn't a point - it was a counterpoint. Besides, the Alien moves at incredible speeds in the tunnel scene, where its signal moves way faster than Dallas can. And when it kills Brett, it basically just flies the f**k up out of that room.
As for your first paragraph:
Can you prove that Anytime was doing that out of honour and not just straight-up fun? What ever suggests that he's showing respect to Dutch and not just getting hard over the prospect of an enemy that can take a beating? Is it his attempts to shoot Dutch down with plasma blasts after the initial escape? Or pulling out the wristblades when he intends to finish Dutch off?
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 08:54:20 AM
Kane's Son didn't take advantage of his incredible speed and agility in Alien because he felt that the Nostromo crew didn't have enough of a chance.
Egg-morphing was a symbol of his honour, taking the ones he thought to be worthy to be converted into his own kind.
I don't get when you guys say that. The things was slow.
As above, it went really, really fast on the tracker. It also made a huge vertical jump in absolutely no time at all.
Its creepier anyway that you never really see the thing sprinting but it would pop up out of no where, tower over someone and kill them.
I believe Kane's son was without a doubt the strongest Alien ever. I mean he moved slower but that can be explained because he knew the crew were weaker.
I mean unlike later Aliens he was meant to be intelligent. Moreso then the human crew at least. He seemed to favor ambush tactics without the need for agility or speed.
And on the Predator note: Preds have no honor in Predator 1. The Predator killed enemies from far away. And the only reason the Pred spares unarmed enemies is because it isn't any fun. Not because it feels like killing an unarmed prey is evil.
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Quote from: The PredBen on Apr 13, 2010, 11:51:53 AM
I believe Kane's son was without a doubt the strongest Alien ever. I mean he moved slower but that can be explained because he knew the crew were weaker.
I mean unlike later Aliens he was meant to be intelligent. Moreso then the human crew at least. He seemed to favor ambush tactics without the need for agility or speed.
And on the Predator note: Preds have no honor in Predator 1. The Predator killed enemies from far away. And the only reason the Pred spares unarmed enemies is because it isn't any fun. Not because it feels like killing an unarmed prey is evil.
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I'm not certain what you mean, so I want to clarify.
"...Moreso than the human crew, at least..."Are you saying Kane's Son had an intelligence which surpassed humans?
He could've had one that suprassed the human crew. Early on the Alien was meant to be able to be very intelligent.
I mean in one draft of Alien the Space Jockey's ship turned out to be the alien's ship. And Ridley Scott wanted the alien to be intelligent as did everyone working on the film.
Then Cameron came along and made the Alien's into bugs. I honestly disliked Aliens and I thought it damaged the aliens from being mysterious beasts to simple bugs relying on numbers.
There is still nothing in the film, at the end of the day, to show their intellect surpasses humans.
I actually prefer the portrayal of them as mindless termite-esque beasts. They just have so many advantages already, physically & all, that when you combine that with their numbers, well...I like a creature to be exploitable in weakness somewhere, no matter how badass it may be. More believable that way, IMO.
My God, what's up with them being "termites"? Hell, this time humans got weapons, it's obvious that they are going to kill aliens somehow.... the Aliens are just as intelligent and deadly as the original one.
That's certainly an arguable standpoint. They certainly never do anything that contradicts Kane's Son.
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Apr 13, 2010, 12:58:14 PM
There is still nothing in the film, at the end of the day, to show their intellect surpasses humans.
And there's nothing in the film depicting them as Lovecraftian nightmare warriors created from the stuff of shadows... yet that's still a part of the concept under O'Bannon's writing and definitely a part of Giger's direction in bringing the creature to life.
Absolutes aren't as important as the thematic concepts.
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Apr 13, 2010, 12:58:14 PMI actually prefer the portrayal of them as mindless termite-esque beasts. They just have so many advantages already, physically & all, that when you combine that with their numbers, well...I like a creature to be exploitable in weakness somewhere, no matter how badass it may be. More believable that way, IMO.
Believability, for me, is in the atmosphere and the draw of any given film.
Alien did that with acting that I couldn't tell was acting, characters that seemed organic, architecture that never made me question the film and a creature that was so powerfully close to its namesake that it instantly became more believable than any other monster bearing the name.
The lack of weaknesses part is the Lovecraftian aspect speaking. His monsters rarely had any sort of weakness, simply because they represented the iron fist of reality that can slam you into place. And Lovecraft knew all about that, too - he was the son of a wealthy couple, both of whom died early in his life, forcing him to spend his 40 or so years in poverty and misery.
Aliens having any real weakness is really a subversion of the original film and the underlying concept. They're supposed to seem insurmountable and unstoppable. Because that's good cinema.
Quick, if you find Aliens unbelievable then you're missing the point. They're the modern day Lovecraft poster boy. Space coughed up something so horrific it defies rationale by any human. At least that's how it largely was before Aliens showed up.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 08:30:11 AM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Apr 13, 2010, 08:28:15 AM
No, it's a way to give the human more chance. More thrilling, more valuable.
But humans pose no physical threat. It's not more of a chance. In a purely hand-to-hand fight a Predator will win.
He posed more of a threat like that. The pred with the sc and his mask could turn the tables anytime against the human without a gun. Like this he accepted the outcome of the battle, no matter of what it was. We saw the predator was superior in strengjt, but he didn't know. I think he assumed that, but he couldn't be sure of the extent of it.
But what matters is the inevitable fact, that Dutch had no chance against the pc, and like this he had more.
(Humans don't pose a physichal strenght on their own, and they don't really have a chance. If you ask me, AT though at first as I see Dutch has someting up in his sleeves, and got cautious. That's why Dutch wanted to 'prove' he didn't have any aces left,and lure him to his trap.
But to be frank this has no value as an argument. I see it just like that.)
QuoteThe whole keeping-skull-as-respect thing has different interpretations. For instance, the mutilation of the corpse might be a symbol of dominance more than anything else.
As I see, yes.That's why it can't be interpreted as simple killing or fun of the sport. No material value, but rather in the mental sphere.
While Cameron's film didn't do anything that contridicts Kane's son they did act simplier.
Also they became bugs relying on numbers. From Aliens onward Aliens have been bugs. Prior to Aliens they were not seen as bugs.
Not just numbers; living in a hive also gave that impression, along with having a Queen, like a bee colony.
Quote from: The PredBen on Apr 13, 2010, 02:49:18 PM
While Cameron's film didn't do anything that contridicts Kane's son they did act simplier.
Also they became bugs relying on numbers. From Aliens onward Aliens have been bugs. Prior to Aliens they were not seen as bugs.
the only time the aliens dont need numbers is when the human are unarmed (alien and alien 3) in aliens and alien res they seemed weak because the humans had firepower.
The Aliens didn't adapt... or at least, not as fast as I had expected/hoped. Take that one Alien who has seen quite a bunch of his fellows being blown up by explosive pulse rifle rounds and decides to stick his head into an APC filled with humans with guns anyway.
We all know what happened next. ::)
Slumber Party? :P
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 13, 2010, 03:00:50 PM
Not just numbers; living in a hive also gave that impression, along with having a Queen, like a bee colony.
Termites, man. Termites have colonies ;)
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 13, 2010, 01:40:06 PM
That's certainly an arguable standpoint. They certainly never do anything that contradicts Kane's Son.
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Apr 13, 2010, 12:58:14 PM
There is still nothing in the film, at the end of the day, to show their intellect surpasses humans.
And there's nothing in the film depicting them as Lovecraftian nightmare warriors created from the stuff of shadows... yet that's still a part of the concept under O'Bannon's writing and definitely a part of Giger's direction in bringing the creature to life.
Absolutes aren't as important as the thematic concepts.
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Apr 13, 2010, 12:58:14 PMI actually prefer the portrayal of them as mindless termite-esque beasts. They just have so many advantages already, physically & all, that when you combine that with their numbers, well...I like a creature to be exploitable in weakness somewhere, no matter how badass it may be. More believable that way, IMO.
Believability, for me, is in the atmosphere and the draw of any given film. Alien did that with acting that I couldn't tell was acting, characters that seemed organic, architecture that never made me question the film and a creature that was so powerfully close to its namesake that it instantly became more believable than any other monster bearing the name.
The lack of weaknesses part is the Lovecraftian aspect speaking. His monsters rarely had any sort of weakness, simply because they represented the iron fist of reality that can slam you into place. And Lovecraft knew all about that, too - he was the son of a wealthy couple, both of whom died early in his life, forcing him to spend his 40 or so years in poverty and misery.
Aliens having any real weakness is really a subversion of the original film and the underlying concept. They're supposed to seem insurmountable and unstoppable. Because that's good cinema.
Seem, yes. Seem unstoppable. Not actually
be unstoppable. The more realistic on certain levels these fantastic stories of sci-fi can manage to be, the greater their impact --- for me. That's just my take. Some people like it the more, 'out-there' the better, though.
Predator hands down they rely on skill and knowledge as well strength and brute force
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Apr 13, 2010, 02:31:57 PM
He posed more of a threat like that.
No, he didn't.
Arnie was physically incapable of hurting the Predator. Giving Arnie a chance would be stripping himself of weapons and giving Arnie a shotgun.
Quote from: The PredBen on Apr 13, 2010, 02:49:18 PM
While Cameron's film didn't do anything that contridicts Kane's son they did act simplier.
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Apr 13, 2010, 03:15:44 PM
The Aliens didn't adapt... or at least, not as fast as I had expected/hoped. Take that one Alien who has seen quite a bunch of his fellows being blown up by explosive pulse rifle rounds and decides to stick his head into an APC filled with humans with guns anyway.
We all know what happened next. ::)
Not sure, the Aliens in Aliens employed ambush tactics and guerilla-like abilities, cutting off supplies like power and kamikaze attacks. In Aliens you have to think of the creatures as being agentic, acting for the better of the Hive, their own lives unimportant. They are the ultimate utilitarians. Throwing themselves at machineguns in order to merely cause distraction or waste their opponents ammo is not dumb behaviour, it's scare/kamikaze tactics. In Alien, the creature acted much more randomly, almost as though it were lost, it could have slaughtered the crew at any point once fully grown, but it spent more time hiding, only killing when disturbed (though not in the case of Parker and Lambert). The sexual overtones were gone in Aliens, the Xenos were an army here, the Queen represented femininity and was the only sexual creature abound. Of course, she wasn't a rapist, but her womanly features such as slim waist, high heel protrusions and egg-laying still related to the theme of sex & death. The best comparison for the Xenos in Aliens would be kamikaze/suicide bombers, which is terrifying in its own right. When a horde of creatures are literally throwing themselves at you with no fear of death or injury (and when their very own death/injury can kill
you), well, that's a scary prospect.
Cameron made individual Aliens boring to watch, and that's my biggest beef.
The original Alien chewed scenery; Cameron's Aliens were dull and uninteresting unless they were in a mass moving across a motion tracker screen.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 10:37:50 PM
Cameron made individual Aliens boring to watch, and that's my biggest beef.
The original Alien chewed scenery; Cameron's Aliens were dull and uninteresting unless they were in a mass moving across a motion tracker screen.
I guess it's a subjective point, I know that I and many others were very excited and nervous watching Aliens, and it's the movie where you won't see a Xeno on its own for more than a moment so the focus isn't on individual creatures but on the mass. Their behaviour and design was very interesting to me, and seeing them slipping out of walls and yet no one can see them was pulse quickening.
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 13, 2010, 10:52:37 PM
I guess it's a subjective point, I know that I and many others were very excited and nervous watching Aliens,
Same here. Took me five viewings before I could get through the lead-up to Operations without thinking I was going to implode from the tension :P
Quoteand it's the movie where you won't see a Xeno on its own for more than a moment so the focus isn't on individual creatures but on the mass. Their behaviour and design was very interesting to me, and seeing them slipping out of walls and yet no one can see them was pulse quickening.
Yes, but they had no personality. They're zombies. Every one is indistinguishable from the last. There's no sense that these are all independent thinking beings.
It's most noticeable when you watch the first two movies back to back. The difference between the portrayals is really striking - Hell, any movie right after
Alien, and you wonder how the f**k they managed to do what they did using
Alien as a starting point :P
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 11:01:02 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 13, 2010, 10:52:37 PM
I guess it's a subjective point, I know that I and many others were very excited and nervous watching Aliens,
Same here. Took me five viewings before I could get through the lead-up to Operations without thinking I was going to implode from the tension :P
Quoteand it's the movie where you won't see a Xeno on its own for more than a moment so the focus isn't on individual creatures but on the mass. Their behaviour and design was very interesting to me, and seeing them slipping out of walls and yet no one can see them was pulse quickening.
Yes, but they had no personality. They're zombies. Every one is indistinguishable from the last. There's no sense that these are all independent thinking beings.
It's most noticeable when you watch the first two movies back to back. The difference between the portrayals is really striking - Hell, any movie right after Alien, and you wonder how the f**k they managed to do what they did using Alien as a starting point :P
I think that was the point though, they're not autonomous creatures, they're a hive mind. It's radically different from the space stalker in Alien, but I think it was an interesting change, with the focus being the matriarch as both hive-brain and seat of power. I think it's the same with human society, with either large numbers or a war setting, individuality goes out the window and it's all about the victory, it's the win that matters. Maybe that's what Cameron was going for with his Vietnam analogy, I dunno. Watching Alien, I couldn't imagine what a load of these creatures would actually do together, in Aliens I guess familiarity (insect behaviour) was the only way to go (and like Descartes says, we can't imagine things that are totally alien to us, even an imagined creature will have traits inherited from real ones).
Aliens is probably my favourite Alien movie, with the first right next to it, but even I'm slightly annoyed by Cameron's influence - the creatures being referred to and portrayed as bugs in A:R and comics led to the dilution of the creature.
I think the only time they've been directly referred to as "bugs" was Alien3.
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2010, 11:20:15 PM
I think the only time they've been directly referred to as "bugs" was Alien3.
'Bug-hunt' was used in Aliens, though not in relation to the Xenos. I've read several comics with the Aliens being refered to as bugs, and A:R design portrayed the Xenos as cockroaches rather than biomechanical. I'll have to rewatch Alien3 again soon, maybe tonight.
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 13, 2010, 11:13:05 PM
I think that was the point though, they're not autonomous creatures, they're a hive mind.
Yes. And I find that bullshit :P
Quite. The original got by just fine without thei "hive mind" thing. As did the Fiorina creature. And the Resurrection creatures. And AvP if one wants to count that.
Although as I said earlier in the thread, the Fiorina creature did suffer 'Boring Alien syndrome'.
Maybe so, but a hive mind it wasn't.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 11:40:23 PM
Although as I said earlier in the thread, the Fiorina creature did suffer 'Boring Alien syndrome'.
Although it might be considered a good example of Alien individuality. Not all Aliens absolutely must be slow and considered (even if that's quite menacing). Where Kane's Son was curious to a degree, Spike just didn't give a shit.
Either way I found it incredibly boring to watch.
Not even Rains death?
It looks up and has blood on its mouth and bares its teeth.
Whee?
I liked how Fincher filmed it attacking people, but that was about it.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2010, 02:37:13 AM
It looks up and has blood on its mouth and bares its teeth.
HOLY f**k THAT WAS COOL
Fix'd.
No Rains, not Boggs.
The whole blowing out the candles, knocking over the barrels, pool of slime, pathetic "Help me!" while the Alien is doing unspeakable things to him just off screen.
Quote from: SM on Apr 14, 2010, 02:39:46 AM
The whole blowing out the candles, knocking over the barrels, pool of slime, pathetic "Help me!" while the Alien is doing unspeakable things to him just off screen.
Oh,
that was cool.
But that was about the last decent thing it did until the very end in the mold.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 14, 2010, 02:39:10 AM
Fix'd.
No. No, you didn't.
'Cept I did.
I wish the characters had actually been memorable in that. Are all of their names even given during the film?
Not so much, no.
I think all the secondary characters are referred to by name at some point. Only one off hand I can think of who isn't is William. And Eric's name check in the Workprint is iffy. And I think Troy only gets named properly in the WP and Assembly. Okay maybe not "all" then.
But there's less than secondary characters who aren't named nor credited (other than being stunties).
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 11:34:56 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Apr 13, 2010, 11:13:05 PM
I think that was the point though, they're not autonomous creatures, they're a hive mind.
Yes. And I find that bullshit :P
Fair enough :P
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2010, 11:36:39 PM
Quite. The original got by just fine without thei "hive mind" thing. As did the Fiorina creature. And the Resurrection creatures. And AvP if one wants to count that.
Well, in Alien and Alien3, there was only one creature. In Resurrection they seemed pretty well tuned into the Queen, and willing to even kill their own in order to escape. In AVP they rushed to the Queen pretty quick to free her, though they were less organised than they were in Aliens, or any other Alien movie. Then again, AVP ... meh :P
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2010, 07:48:52 AM
In Resurrection they seemed pretty well tuned into the Queen
...based on what? We literally never see Aliens interact with the Queen in that movie, only the Newborn.
QuoteIn AVP they rushed to the Queen pretty quick to free her, though they were less organised than they were in Aliens, or any other Alien movie. Then again, AVP ... meh :P
They didn't even know she was there until she screamed; they operated just fine before that. They managed to all get together even though the pyramid was shifting all on their lonesomes, and attacked Scar and Lex just like they did in
Aliens - from hidden areas in the roof and swarming. Less organised? Not really.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2010, 08:43:52 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2010, 07:48:52 AM
In Resurrection they seemed pretty well tuned into the Queen
...based on what? We literally never see Aliens interact with the Queen in that movie, only the Newborn.
They construct a hive pretty well and take Ripley to the Queen. They also coccoon hosts.
QuoteIn AVP they rushed to the Queen pretty quick to free her, though they were less organised than they were in Aliens, or any other Alien movie. Then again, AVP ... meh :P
They didn't even know she was there until she screamed; they operated just fine before that. They managed to all get together even though the pyramid was shifting all on their lonesomes, and attacked Scar and Lex just like they did in
Aliens - from hidden areas in the roof and swarming. Less organised? Not really.[/quote]
You may have a point there, but I can't say that the Aliens in AVP proved anymore ingenious than those in Aliens. Predator targets were never swarmed ala Operations in Aliens, the Xenos seeming to prefer one-on-one combat. Sure, Grid held his own, but what were the other Aliens doing? Sitting back and watching?
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2010, 09:17:16 AM
They construct a hive pretty well and take Ripley to the Queen. They also coccoon hosts.
Okay, and? That means they're 'in-tune' with the Queen how?
QuoteYou may have a point there, but I can't say that the Aliens in AVP proved anymore ingenious than those in Aliens.
And yet no less, which is my point.
QuotePredator targets were never swarmed ala Operations in Aliens,
Scar was.
QuoteSure, Grid held his own, but what were the other Aliens doing? Sitting back and watching?
The whole pyramid rearranging thing ... ? :P
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2010, 09:24:58 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2010, 09:17:16 AM
They construct a hive pretty well and take Ripley to the Queen. They also coccoon hosts.
Okay, and? That means they're 'in-tune' with the Queen how?
They're certainly being subservient to her.
QuoteAnd yet no less, which is my point.
Scar was.
The whole pyramid rearranging thing ... ? :P
I'll have to give you these because I've seen AVP once in three years :P
We'll agree on something, one day :P
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2010, 09:28:10 AM
They're certainly being subservient to her.
... in
Alien Resurrection?
This is literally
never shown. At all. In the slightest. Throughout the whole movie.
So they make a hive. So did the one in
Alien. So did the Aliens in AvP, and they had to do that
before they freed the Queen/knew she was there. So they cocoon hosts - What's that got to do with being subservient to the Queen?
QuoteWe'll agree on something, one day :P
Where's the fun in that :P
Further to the point of the thread:
Aliens rule, Predators drool.
(Aliens also drool)
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2010, 09:36:43 AM... in Alien Resurrection?
This is literally never shown. At all. In the slightest. Throughout the whole movie.
So they make a hive. So did the one in Alien. So did the Aliens in AvP, and they had to do that before they freed the Queen/knew she was there. So they cocoon hosts - What's that got to do with being subservient to the Queen?
They made a nest
around her, this is seen, they also coccoon hosts around her and not randomly through the ship. Bearing in mind, A:R does have its head-scratchers - like the egg trap above the flooded area: who the hell put the eggs
there and why? The Xenos expected someone to poke through the flooded area? The Queen in A:R also has two reproductive methods - human birth and egg laying. ??? (I haven't seen A:R in years).
QuoteWhere's the fun in that :P
My post count will be lower but my fingers will be grateful for the rest :P
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2010, 09:50:26 AM
They made a nest around her, this is seen, they also coccoon hosts around her and not randomly through the ship.
AvP shows they build hives around wherever the bulk of the eggs are (as housing, maybe, to allude to our other discussion). Which would, naturally, be around the Queen. She seems fairly incidental.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2010, 10:01:33 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2010, 09:50:26 AM
They made a nest around her, this is seen, they also coccoon hosts around her and not randomly through the ship.
AvP shows they build hives around wherever the bulk of the eggs are (as housing, maybe, to allude to our other discussion). Which would, naturally, be around the Queen. She seems fairly incidental.
I dunno; she seems to be
laying those eggs. (NO egg morphing!!) :P
As in, her being there is incidental to the hive being there, outside of laying eggs.
Basically -- the Aliens aren't building a hive around her, they're building a hive around the eggs. Whether she's there or not doesn't factor into it.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
As in, her being there is incidental to the hive being there, outside of laying eggs.
Basically -- the Aliens aren't building a hive around her, they're building a hive around the eggs. Whether she's there or not doesn't factor into it.
Why not? No Queen = no eggs. She's the hub of the Hive. They also bring Ripley to her. When she awakes, the Xenos aren't pouring over her. Whether or not she's coccooned, I can't remember - I don't have a copy of this movie.
true i think the was afraid she would roost the queen AND the eggs but then one of the eggs open and Ripley makes an omelet out of it and some other eggs and then the aliens start coming
some time sens i have seen the film
Quote from: Derrad on Apr 14, 2010, 01:01:58 PM
one of the eggs open and Ripley makes an omelet out of it
This made my day. :D :D :D
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2010, 10:47:11 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
As in, her being there is incidental to the hive being there, outside of laying eggs.
Basically -- the Aliens aren't building a hive around her, they're building a hive around the eggs. Whether she's there or not doesn't factor into it.
Why not? No Queen = no eggs. She's the hub of the Hive. They also bring Ripley to her. When she awakes, the Xenos aren't pouring over her. Whether or not she's coccooned, I can't remember - I don't have a copy of this movie.
Ripley isn't in AvP. The Hive in AvP is where the eggs are -- hell, the Queen is all alone for most of the movie. With no Hive.
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Apr 14, 2010, 01:30:16 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2010, 10:47:11 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2010, 10:27:22 AM
As in, her being there is incidental to the hive being there, outside of laying eggs.
Basically -- the Aliens aren't building a hive around her, they're building a hive around the eggs. Whether she's there or not doesn't factor into it.
Why not? No Queen = no eggs. She's the hub of the Hive. They also bring Ripley to her. When she awakes, the Xenos aren't pouring over her. Whether or not she's coccooned, I can't remember - I don't have a copy of this movie.
Ripley isn't in AvP. The Hive in AvP is where the eggs are -- hell, the Queen is all alone for most of the movie. With no Hive.
We were talking A:R in conjunction with AVP. I know Ripley wasn't in AVP ;D No clue what the Queen is upto for the latter half of AVP. She's just about, weak script.
QuoteNo clue what the Queen is upto for the latter half of AVP
umm yeah she was sort of stuck in her special queen shackles.
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Apr 14, 2010, 02:04:46 PM
QuoteNo clue what the Queen is upto for the latter half of AVP
umm yeah she was sort of stuck in her special queen shackles.
She was released at some point by Grid and co.
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2010, 02:06:06 PM
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Apr 14, 2010, 02:04:46 PM
QuoteNo clue what the Queen is upto for the latter half of AVP
umm yeah she was sort of stuck in her special queen shackles.
She was released at some point by Grid and co.
And then subsequently chased after Scar & that woman after they blew up her pyramid. The unshackling and giant explosion were only minutes apart.
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2010, 02:06:06 PM
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Apr 14, 2010, 02:04:46 PM
QuoteNo clue what the Queen is upto for the latter half of AVP
umm yeah she was sort of stuck in her special queen shackles.
She was released at some point by Grid and co.
what hive tyrant said
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Apr 14, 2010, 02:06:57 PMAnd then subsequently chased after Scar & that woman after they blew up her pyramid. The unshackling and giant explosion were only minutes apart.
I haven't seen the movie in a while. I don't think AVP is a crowning example of Hive behaviour anyway, using it to retroactively explain Alien/Aliens don't sit well in my head. Ridley Scott/James Cameron > Paul Anderson.
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 14, 2010, 10:47:11 AM
Why not? No Queen = no eggs. She's the hub of the Hive.
But were there a situation where the eggs and the Queen were separate - like AvP - the hive would be around the eggs, not the Queen.
QuoteWhether or not she's coccooned, I can't remember - I don't have a copy of this movie.
She's not cocooned, there are no Aliens in the hive. They've all abandoned the Queen.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2010, 11:01:04 PM
She's not cocooned, there are no Aliens in the hive. They've all abandoned the Queen.
...Only after they have brought Ripley too her. So she must of somehow told the Aliens to do it.
Or they took Ripley to the hive cos that's where they took everyone else, realised there were no eggs, and f**ked off.
Quote...Only after they have brought Ripley too her. So she must of somehow told the Aliens to do it.
???
They bought Ripley to the hive because that's where they brought the other hosts. For whatever reason - her genetic link to the Aliens I guess - they didn't coccoon her. There were only two other Aliens on board at this point. Both of them are involved in Ripley's abduction, and after this they must've gone looking for more hosts.
There's no evidence of the Queen giving out decrees or anything people seem to like to ascribe to her.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2010, 11:11:31 PM
Or they took Ripley to the hive cos that's where they took everyone else, realised there were no eggs, and f**ked off.
Hm, I doubt that. They seemed pretty gentle with the way they were carrying her; not their usual aggressive manner with other people.
We've never seen anyone carried to a hive. The way they carried Ripley could be the norm.
Or the whole movie just stinks to high-heaven ;)
Quote from: SM on Apr 14, 2010, 11:51:36 PM
We've never seen anyone carried to a hive. The way they carried Ripley could be the norm.
I doubt that as well. Ripley looked pretty well at home in the alien's arms. I'm guessing someone else would be kicking and screaming.
They way they carried her has nothing to do with whether a host goes quietly or not.
They're usually unconscious for some reason.
Which is interesting in and of itself. I can imagine someone like Newt fainting from fright, but not Hudson.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 13, 2010, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Apr 13, 2010, 02:31:57 PM
He posed more of a threat like that.
No, he didn't.
Arnie was physically incapable of hurting the Predator. Giving Arnie a chance would be stripping himself of weapons and giving Arnie a shotgun.
'Arnie was physically incapable of hurting the Predator'?
I'd say that after watching a fight where both fighters had the real intention to kill/hurt their opponent in the fight itself. A human can't match a predator physichally, but the fight's not over at that point.
None of the fighters knew what the outcome would be. That's what matters.
That fact we know the gap between their strenght doesn't change a thing.
If we're talking about a fist fight, the human won't stand a chance. That's why Harrigan almost lost.
They don't stand much of a chance, maybe even with weapons in close combat. though still they can defeat the hunters in some way, maybe unknown to the pred. If that would occur, the tables could be turned with a shot from the pc. This chance gets dropped as the pred detaches his weapon. And again, I don't think At knew what exactly he was dealing with. First he was trying to find out, and when he saw he 'won' got cocky. And he died.
Of course I'm not saying a human would defeat a pred in hand to hand combat. Only the 'Chuck'.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2010, 11:11:31 PM
Or they took Ripley to the hive cos that's where they took everyone else, realised there were no eggs, and f**ked off.
Explain the lack of cocooning then?
Dna Chaining. Kinda.
They didn't want to stick their grandmother to the wall.
Yeah.
How in the world would you stick to the wall a grandma like Sigourney -fookin- Weaver? :P
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 16, 2010, 05:51:00 PM
Dna Chaining. Kinda.
Then why did they stick those Scientists to the wall? Hmm?
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 16, 2010, 06:05:08 PM
They didn't want to stick their grandmother to the wall.
No, but they still brought her non the less to the Queen, and the Facehugger still tryed to grab her. That kinky little bastard.
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Apr 16, 2010, 05:31:05 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 14, 2010, 11:11:31 PM
Or they took Ripley to the hive cos that's where they took everyone else, realised there were no eggs, and f**ked off.
Explain the lack of cocooning then?
Quoterealised there were no eggs, and f**ked off.
Alien: "I'll just take this dude to mah lair"
Alien: "Where's mah eggs?" *f**ks off*
Marine: Ah!!!! *kills the Queen and all the eggs*
Basically, why would the ultimate organism let it's prey run free in it's hive? Wasn't that the whole purpose of introducing cocooning in Aliens?
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Apr 16, 2010, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 16, 2010, 05:51:00 PM
Dna Chaining. Kinda.
Then why did they stick those Scientists to the wall? Hmm?
They weren't "DNA chained" with the scientists, just with Ripley.
Oh, I thought you meant that they no longer stick people to walls because their DNA has been changed.
Though, I still don't think it makes sense that they would bring her to the hive just because she has their DNA, because they don't bring any Drones to the hive.
Drones come here because they know where the hive is and there's no need to "bring" them.
Ripley on the other hand doesn't know where the hive is, and the Alien thought it would be nice.
"see Grandma? that's our housie!!! Do ya lkiez it? :)"
If it recognised her as an Alien, then it would of assumed she knows where the Hive is too.
Seeing she didn't, it did her a favor.
How would it know?
I dunno. :P
But seriously, seeing that she didn't come to the hive to that point - under the logic of the Alien, that means that she doesn't know where the hive is. How could the Alien have known Ripley didn't give a f**k about it? :D
True, though as Sil pointed out, most of the Aliens don't even go to the hive unless resting. If Aliens did actually use the logic: not at hive = does not know where hive is, then we would allot of Aliens piggybacking each other :)
LoL! But Ripley has never been to the hive, as opposed to all of the aliens in that point...
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Apr 17, 2010, 01:03:22 PM
Alien: "I'll just take this dude to mah lair"
Alien: "Where's mah eggs?" *f**ks off*
Marine: Ah!!!! *kills the Queen and all the eggs*
...There are no eggs, that's the point. And if the Queen isn't laying eggs, she's useless, so why would they care if something killed her?
QuoteBasically, why would the ultimate organism let it's prey run free in it's hive? Wasn't that the whole purpose of introducing cocooning in Aliens?
Cocooning was to keep people down so that Aliens could be born.
There are no eggs, so no new Aliens. There is nothing of any real value in the hive, so nothing to protect by immobilising Ripley. Cocooning her would be a waste of time.
When the Queen got killed in the hive there were practically no Aliens. They couldn't sense the danger for the Queen seconds before the Newborn omnibitchslapped her.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 18, 2010, 11:50:17 AM
When the Queen got killed in the hive there were practically no Aliens. They couldn't sense the danger for the Queen seconds before the Newborn omnibitchslapped her.
:P
Quote from: SiL on Apr 17, 2010, 11:40:53 PM
...There are no eggs, that's the point. And if the Queen isn't laying eggs, she's useless, so why would they care if something killed her?
So because she's stopped producing eggs for a second they're going to go and dump Marines etc into the hive to run around freely and destroy what the hell they want? That would be a very stupid thing for them to do.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 17, 2010, 11:40:53 PM
Cocooning was to keep people down so that Aliens could be born.
There are no eggs, so no new Aliens. There is nothing of any real value in the hive, so nothing to protect by immobilising Ripley. Cocooning her would be a waste of time.
So what, you want them to lay down and die? There is still valuable hosts in there.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 18, 2010, 11:50:17 AM
When the Queen got killed in the hive there were practically no Aliens. They couldn't sense the danger for the Queen seconds before the Newborn omnibitchslapped her.
They also blatantly ignored about twenty eggs being blown to pieces
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Apr 18, 2010, 02:46:42 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 17, 2010, 11:40:53 PM
...There are no eggs, that's the point. And if the Queen isn't laying eggs, she's useless, so why would they care if something killed her?
So because she's stopped producing eggs for a second they're going to go and dump Marines etc into the hive to run around freely and destroy what the hell they want? That would be a very stupid thing for them to do.
If the prey has a means of destroying the eggs, they would likely kill them and not bring them back to the Hive in the first place.
QuoteSo what, you want them to lay down and die? There is still valuable hosts in there.
And no way of impregnating them.
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Apr 18, 2010, 02:46:42 PM
So because she's stopped producing eggs for a second they're going to go and dump Marines etc into the hive to run around freely and destroy what the hell they want? That would be a very stupid thing for them to do.
Was Ripley a marine?
No.
Was she armed?
No.
Is anyone ever armed after being kidnapped?
No.
So it's a moot point. I'm not saying they'd allow armed people to run around destroy stuff; just that if there are no eggs, there's nothing really to protect. A new hive can be made elsewhere no problem.
QuoteSo what, you want them to lay down and die? There is still valuable hosts in there.
Only one that seemed to be alive.
Also what SM said.
And if one wants to get more esoteric, one could argue Ripley's DNA affected the way the Aliens treated her. ie. They didn't see her as host material. But on the other hand the hugger had no such compunctions, so who knows.
Quote from: SM on Apr 19, 2010, 04:25:04 AM
And if one wants to get more esoteric, one could argue Ripley's DNA affected the way the Aliens treated her. ie. They didn't see her as host material. But on the other hand the hugger had no such compunctions, so who knows.
Maybe the Hugger being only a part of the cycle thas serves for little time hasn't a better developed brain which doesn't recognize which to facehug and which not.
I don't think that consistency was on their minds when making the film.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 19, 2010, 04:16:05 AM
Was Ripley a marine?
No.
Was she armed?
No.
Is anyone ever armed after being kidnapped?
No.
So it's a moot point. I'm not saying they'd allow armed people to run around destroy stuff; just that if there are no eggs, there's nothing really to protect. A new hive can be made elsewhere no problem.
Still illogical to allow people to roam freely about. Why not take her to this new Hive they could supposedly create so easily? They're going to have to catch her again sooner or later.
Quote
Also what SM said.
And THAT'S coming from the egg-morphing enthusiast :P (since I assume by you saying they could quite easily make a new hive, your talking egg-morphing) Still, a host is a potential Alien and/or egg, so why not take them with them?
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Apr 19, 2010, 07:02:54 PM
Why not take her to this new Hive they could supposedly create so easily?
Not made yet.
QuoteThey're going to have to catch her again sooner or later.
Doesn't seem to be a problem.
Quotesince I assume by you saying they could quite easily make a new hive, your talking egg-morphing)
I'm talking the physical structure, which doesn't seem to take long to set up.
If Gediman was the first taken, and he's hanging up that high, one can assume it was made fairly sharpish. Or he was dumped in the hive like Ripley, to be hung up later on.
Hmmm... it's an age old question (80's I think).
Pred if you like being a stand alone (-ish) badass.
Xeno if you like over-running a population and being creepy.
I prefer the Predator look (unless they take the mask off, ugh!) for the most part.
But I appreciate the Xeno design alot more.
I suppose it depends if youre feeling like an introvert or an extrovert.
Who's Gill by the way ?
The first Predator killed in AvP. Also known as Chopper Predator, due to the large arm blades he wore.
aliens for me,i love their looks,its kinda unique,plus some villains like green goblin from spiderman movies copied their head animation,i also love their speed and prowess
Predator is a cooler creature. While Alien makes for a better movie. :o 8)
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on May 02, 2010, 12:59:13 PM
Predator is a cooler creature. While Alien makes for a better movie. :o 8)
well,its people's descicion ;D
Well obviously I ment in my OWN opinion ::)
Predator. All their awesome weapons, self destruct when cornered, awesome helmets and their honour. Not to mention, that when unmasked I think they look uglier then Aliens. Nothing better then an ugly extra-terristrial.
I choose both!! They both have a very cherry design about them 8). And if the alien wasn't so badass, then the predator wouldn't choose it as its #1 prey. They both are brutal and fearless, as well as very clever. Though an alien isn't nearly as smart as a pred...even humans could easily outsmart one, but in the moveis humans are portrayed as idiots in my opinion. With the exception of some of course!!!
I choose Predator
Such a Tribal and Ancient look to themselves, whilst using advanced technology... True hunters.
This thread is really going stale.
Up until a few posts ago this had nothing to do with Aliens or Predators but something with the Queen and Sil and SM and peopls opinions on unrelated subjects.
Time to bring back the original point of this thread.
I think Predators as a whole are better. I mean I don't even care much for their films but I think they're made so well.
Not as original as the Aliens though.
Predators make for fun movies. Which is why I prefer them.
Aliens make for movies that revolutionize genres and change film-making. That's why I prefer them.
I wouldn't say Alien3 or Resurection revolutionised much, now in fairness. :D
Alien and Aliens freakin' did by the way.
Yeah, what Omega said.
Yes....but the second two failed.
Alien3 was good but forgettable
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 16, 2010, 05:34:11 PM
Yes....but the second two failed.
Highly subjective and unrelevant to what SpaceMarines intended with his statement.
No it isn't. He said Alien movies revolutionise genres. He shouldnt have made such a sweeping generalisation.
Predator cooler monster
Alien better movies
Imo ;) but pred movies are still amazing compared to other films :D
I find the Alien to be more compelling. It doesn't need superior technology or anything like that. It is a weapon.
Yer more intruging to watch in a film while predator is still good not very intruging unless you go into extended universe of course.
Also, the Alien franchise is much more sci-fi based, so I like that more.
The new Predators film is more sci fi than the older ones but it is still not very sci fi compared to alien
Predator would win.
Simple as that, no questions asked!
Aliens are pretty much designed to be hunted an raped by Predators.
They're pretty much animals that only have 1 instinct: kill.
Ya sure sounds bad ass, but compared to a Predator the Alien is just some unintellient animal. Predators have a complete civilization, and you know, they arent born by ripping out of someones chest.
Quote from: Confed_Predator on May 18, 2010, 03:17:04 AM
Predator would win.
Simple as that, no questions asked!
Aliens are pretty much designed to be hunted an raped by Predators.
They're pretty much animals that only have 1 instinct: kill.
Ya sure sounds bad ass, but compared to a Predator the Alien is just some unintellient animal. Predators have a complete civilization, and you know, they arent born by ripping out of someones chest.
Might want to work on your spelling and grammar before calling out an Alien for its supposed lack of "intellience".
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 18, 2010, 03:18:15 AM
Quote from: Confed_Predator on May 18, 2010, 03:17:04 AM
Predator would win.
Simple as that, no questions asked!
Aliens are pretty much designed to be hunted an raped by Predators.
They're pretty much animals that only have 1 instinct: kill.
Ya sure sounds bad ass, but compared to a Predator the Alien is just some unintellient animal. Predators have a complete civilization, and you know, they arent born by ripping out of someones chest.
Might want to work on your spelling and grammar before calling out an Alien for its supposed lack of "intellience".
Nice one doom. 8)
Quote from: Confed_Predator on May 18, 2010, 03:17:04 AM
Predator would win.
Simple as that, no questions asked!
Aliens are pretty much designed to be hunted an raped by Predators.
They're pretty much animals that only have 1 instinct: kill.
Ya sure sounds bad ass, but compared to a Predator the Alien is just some unintellient animal. Predators have a complete civilization, and you know, they arent born by ripping out of someones chest.
/pulls up sleeves
Alrighty, grasshopper.
Welcome to AvPGalaxy. Every time you spout this nonsense, one of the Cool Kids is gonna come over and give you a throwdown, 'cause at AvPGalaxy we believe in proper evidence, open-mindedness and fairness towards the fans of all franchises. Batter-atter-atter...
I'm going to make this quick and simple by listing the kind of things Aliens pull off and what movie it's in. This is what we consider undeniable canon. The Alien has:
- Moved at incredible speeds. (A1, on the tracker, A3)
- Survived the plasma thrusters of a spacecraft. (A1)
- Survived having ten tons of molten lead dumped on it. (A3)
- Survived small arms weapon fire. (A2, pistols. Sometimes against the pulse rifles, too)
- Blew out candles to confuse and lure prey. (A3)
- Set traps (A4).
- Weaponised its own bleeding body. (AvP, twice)
- Ripped through steel doors. (A2, A4)
- Learned about and abused human technology. (A2, A4)
Not saying anything definitive, but I think your equation might be back to front. Aliens exist to overrule the life-cycles of all other species. They're very effective at this in general. Predators are not magically immune to this; their role is to be the only ones who are consistently able to resist the Aliens in combat, and even then it's never a sure thing. Every Alien a Predator fights might be their last.
And there's no guarantee that all Predator clans know about the Aliens, and if they do, there's no guarantee they have experience fighting against them or the tools they need. To them, Aliens could be a distant, mysterious enemy that only the mightiest of Predator warriors survive against. We don't know.
But the point is that the canon of each franchise does suggest a semblance of balance, something roughly on the lines of 1:1 all up.
'Course, there are different opinions here, but the general agreement is that Aliens are in no way fodder for the Predators.
Alex... what a great post.
But sadly simply feeding the troll.
It's like beating your head against a brick wall, except your head is your nasal duct and the wall is crack cocaine.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 18, 2010, 07:26:08 AM
It's like beating your head against a brick wall, except your head is your nasal duct and the wall is crack cocaine.
And u voluntarily did it..?
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 18, 2010, 03:41:29 AM
- Moved at incredible speeds. (A1, on the tracker...)
I never got that.
It doesn't appear to move much quicker than Dallas, if any quicker at all.
I always thought it moved twice Dallas' own pace at the least. To the best of my memory, Dallas was taking baby steps in comparison, whereas it was moving at a faster pace and moving more consistently.
And if I wanted to justify my point in a more ridiculous manner, I could bring up the anti-grav abilities our Big Chap displayed when it took Brett.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 18, 2010, 08:55:04 AM
I always thought it moved twice Dallas' own pace at the least. To the best of my memory, Dallas was taking baby steps in comparison, whereas it was moving at a faster pace and moving more consistently.
Twice, maybe -- but Dallas was moving hell'a slowly anyway. I'd move twice as quickly
walking.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 18, 2010, 03:41:29 AM
Quote from: Confed_Predator on May 18, 2010, 03:17:04 AM
Predator would win.
Simple as that, no questions asked!
Aliens are pretty much designed to be hunted an raped by Predators.
They're pretty much animals that only have 1 instinct: kill.
Ya sure sounds bad ass, but compared to a Predator the Alien is just some unintellient animal. Predators have a complete civilization, and you know, they arent born by ripping out of someones chest.
/pulls up sleeves
Alrighty, grasshopper.
Welcome to AvPGalaxy. Every time you spout this nonsense, one of the Cool Kids is gonna come over and give you a throwdown, 'cause at AvPGalaxy we believe in proper evidence, open-mindedness and fairness towards the fans of all franchises. Batter-atter-atter...
I'm going to make this quick and simple by listing the kind of things Aliens pull off and what movie it's in. This is what we consider undeniable canon. The Alien has:
- Moved at incredible speeds. (A1, on the tracker, A3)
- Survived the plasma thrusters of a spacecraft. (A1)
- Survived having ten tons of molten lead dumped on it. (A3)
- Survived small arms weapon fire. (A2, pistols. Sometimes against the pulse rifles, too)
- Blew out candles to confuse and lure prey. (A3)
- Set traps (A4).
- Weaponised its own bleeding body. (AvP, twice)
- Ripped through steel doors. (A2, A4)
- Learned about and abused human technology. (A2, A4)
Not saying anything definitive, but I think your equation might be back to front. Aliens exist to overrule the life-cycles of all other species. They're very effective at this in general. Predators are not magically immune to this; their role is to be the only ones who are consistently able to resist the Aliens in combat, and even then it's never a sure thing. Every Alien a Predator fights might be their last.
And there's no guarantee that all Predator clans know about the Aliens, and if they do, there's no guarantee they have experience fighting against them or the tools they need. To them, Aliens could be a distant, mysterious enemy that only the mightiest of Predator warriors survive against. We don't know.
But the point is that the canon of each franchise does suggest a semblance of balance, something roughly on the lines of 1:1 all up.
'Course, there are different opinions here, but the general agreement is that Aliens are in no way fodder for the Predators.
Brava madass, brava. ;D
Quote from: SiL on May 18, 2010, 09:01:06 AM
Twice, maybe -- but Dallas was moving hell'a slowly anyway. I'd move twice as quickly walking.
'S a good point. My own interpretation of the scene always was that the Alien is meant to leave Dallas in the dust though, the point being that the Alien is much more mobile in a confined space, even taking its dorsal handicaps into account.
Basically, since Riddles was saying to me "Yeah dude the Alien is supposed to be pretty fast I guess" I was thinking "Yeah the Alien moves pretty fast I guess".
Evidence of fast is when it nails Parker.
The duct doesn't exactly show speed, though yes it is faster than Dallas especially considering it's size, not to mention how quiet it was.
Alien
Reasons
•Design – more horrifying looking than that predator but that's my personal thought
•I love its secondary jaw I've always been fascinated by it since I watched ALIEN
•Acid for blood – perfect weapon for defence in close encounter with a foe
•Life cycle of the creatures scares me e.g. idea of getting smothered by facehugger and aftermath of what happens next makes my chest feel weird, along with what it turns into.
•Intelligence – able to operate an elevator/ turn off lights/ knows its acid can be used as weapon.
•Merciless – does not care about your age, what your gender is , if you are sick, if a woman is pregnant or if you armed or not it will not hesitate to take you.
How ever I do like the predator technology and their code of honour and I love the mask designs they have and along with its wrist blades which are cool.
Its just predator doesn't come first to me as it relies on its tools to win battles e.g cloaking device or plasma caster and vision modes. If it didn't have its tools it wouldn't be anything to me just a crab looking muscular lizard if you remove its gear. Sorry predator fans just how feel about it. I remember that some one said the alien won't be anything without a host which is true but we don't know how it became to be in the first place.
Another reason
•Mystery
Without it's tools the predator is a fast, durable and breathtakingly strong killing machine. For your interest. I don't find in aliens as much elegance and beauty, mixed with ferocity. They kill, seemingly because they know no other way. It doesn't hold mysetry for me. As for preds, they obviously know other ways... they just for some reasons have other ways, and it gives a lot of food for thoughts. also they are absoéutely beautiful and graceful, yet agressive but with high intellect.
But don't think I wish to say you're wrong or anything, I like your reasoning. Only I though I'll say my words as well.
I agree with yeyinde.
An instinct driven beast like an Alien for me is not as interesting as something like a Hunter who looks for challenge. There's something deep about it. Predators choose their prey very carefully. They are driven by the thrill of the hunt. It's just so fascinating for me. I especially like it that Predator have a honour code and they don't kill mindlessly anything that comes in their way. They are out for themselves to be tested. Also their technology, their way of killing... it's always different, always new...
I love the design of the Alien though and the "hive" structure with a Queen beeing the leader like we see in nature always made it very interesting, but somehow it does not hold the same profound fascination for me as Preds.
Alien. The creature seems so facinatingly misunderstood, to me and is a personification of terror. The design is so elegant and creepy and it's actions are so... Alien(duh) The Predator on the other hand is a primal alien hunter and does not intrest me as much.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jun 06, 2010, 12:08:01 AM
Predator primal
. Seriously compared to a alien he is primal.
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jun 06, 2010, 01:10:51 AM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jun 06, 2010, 12:08:01 AM
Predator primal
. Seriously compared to a alien he is primal.
You misunderstand. I was obviously comparing it to people. I see the the the Predator as a primal warrior hunter with pieces of advanced tech.
Oh fair enough.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jun 05, 2010, 07:02:55 PM
But don't think I wish to say you're wrong or anything, I like your reasoning. Only I though I'll say my words as well.
Don't worry. After all this post is about our likes about the creatures.
What I meant about the Alien's mystery was how it started off e.g. a designed weapon or evolved life form.
I know the predator is fast, durable and strong killing machine.
It's just from what I have seen in the films they use their technology within hunts quite a lot.
Saying that though the predator did but down its weapons and use hand to hand combat against Dutch. Which was honourable to do and same with the Predalien.
Don't mean to dismiss the predator all together
Quote from: Commander Richardus on Jun 06, 2010, 07:08:07 PM
Saying that though the predator did but down its weapons and use hand to hand combat against Dutch. Which was honourable to do and same with the Predalien.
There's a fine line between honour and idiocy.
Quote from: Commander Richardus on Jun 06, 2010, 07:08:07 PM
Saying that though the predator did but down its weapons and use hand to hand combat against Dutch. Which was honourable to do and same with the Predalien.
When your opponent outsizes you and is stronger, you don't disarm yourself. Trying fighting someone like Brock Lesnar without a knife or some other type of weapon.
Well if you've got a mental disease and are high on Morphine you could try to fight Brock Lensar even if your smaller and un trained.
If you're high on morphine and you have a mental disease, my guess is you'd probably be in a hospital somewhere.
If Brock Lesnar even dreams of kicking my ass. He better wake up and apologise.
Don't worry, I don't think he cares.
Alien:
The creature design is amazing, and not just how it looks, the whole lifecycle.
The movies really scared the shit into me when I was a kid and I never forgot about them.
Giger's artwork and designs are truely unique and I just hope we see more of his creative genius realised in film, I have the feeling that his art is the sort which may not be seen again.
No disrespect to Preds though, they are really cool, just not on the same level as the Aliens for me.
Predators for me. I have always loved this species growing up, tried to find a decent figure for the longest time. Finally found a "Predator 2" Predator the hunter figure this afternoon. I put a "Classic Predator" figure on hold yesterday for when they come out next month. I'm excited. :) Aliens are awesome too, I mean yes, they are original, and the fact that their blood is acid earns them more points too. But Predators are my favorite. and they could easily kick the crap out of Aliens in a one on one fight. Maybe not if they gang up on the Predator though.
Quote from: iSeymore on Jun 10, 2010, 04:15:46 PM
Predators for me. I have always loved this species growing up, tried to find a decent figure for the longest time. Finally found a "Predator 2" Predator the hunter figure this afternoon. I put a "Classic Predator" figure on hold yesterday for when they come out next month. I'm excited. :) Aliens are awesome too, I mean yes, they are original, and the fact that their blood is acid earns them more points too. But Predators are my favorite. and they could easily kick the crap out of Aliens in a one on one fight. Maybe not if they gang up on the Predator though.
Seriously........ GTFO!
Quote from: iSeymore on Jun 10, 2010, 04:15:46 PM
Predators for me. I have always loved this species growing up, tried to find a decent figure for the longest time. Finally found a "Predator 2" Predator the hunter figure this afternoon. I put a "Classic Predator" figure on hold yesterday for when they come out next month. I'm excited. :) Aliens are awesome too, I mean yes, they are original, and the fact that their blood is acid earns them more points too. But Predators are my favorite. and they could easily kick the crap out of Aliens in a one on one fight. Maybe not if they gang up on the Predator though.
You got that backwards there, mate. ;)
Seems fine to me.
Depends on the individual. For example, Anytime could kill the Dog Alien, however, Giger's Alien could easily kill Scar.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jun 10, 2010, 09:49:39 PM
Depends on the individual. For example, Anytime could kill the Dog Alien, however, Giger's Alien could easily kill Scar.
That would be an interesting fight. I would vote for Spike on the other hand.
I think a decent Pred hunter could kill a warrior Alien without big inconvenience.
From range; hell yeah.
Close quarter; most likely not.
The Predator has a maximum of two lethal weapons at close range (dual wristblades). The Alien has six (four claws, tail, mouth).
It depends on the individual.
It is like saying a human could take down a bear. Some people can and some cannot. Same with predators and xenomorphs.
The very fact that predators hunt xenomorphs means a xenomorph is more then capable of killing them.
Edit
(Shakes fist up at sky)
I SAID IGNORE! DAMN YOU SPELLCHECK!
Cenotaph? What?
Predator and my reason for that is i just like them better thats really it ^^
Good for you.
Alien, They are weapon all themselves. Survive in any environment. ;)
Exept lava, space and freezing conditions. :D
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 13, 2010, 06:13:18 PM
Exept lava, space and freezing conditions. :D
At the end of Alien after being shot out the air lock it was still alive until Ripley turned on the ships engine. AvP had Aliens in Antarctica. ::)
I didnt mean cold, I meant where people would freeze. And we never saw them in the snow for very long.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 13, 2010, 06:22:09 PM
I didnt mean cold, I meant where people would freeze. And we never saw them in the snow for very long.
They were deep in the ground of Antarctica. It would be very cold there. Plus the end fight was on the surface with the queen. The only time in AvP we see an Alien frozen is when the Queen is trapped. ;D
Not so cold that a near naked Pred had any problems.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 13, 2010, 06:43:10 PM
Not so cold that a near naked Pred had any problems.
Preds are always near naked except for some body armor. Predator is your favorite?
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 13, 2010, 06:22:09 PM
I didnt mean cold, I meant where people would freeze. And we never saw them in the snow for very long.
In
Resurrection the Alien was shown being only irritated and aggravated by a blast of some substance (liquid nitrogen?) that completely froze a person.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 13, 2010, 06:13:18 PM
Exept lava, space and freezing conditions. :D
Depends how hot the lava is, seeing as it survived molten lead. Also, Queen and Kane's son were still quite active whilst in the void.
Lava is Liquid at 1200° I think. Lead melts at 300° I think, but the Molten Lead used in the film was much higher than just at the melting point.
Lead boiling point is 1749C. It wasn't boiling but it was melted which leaves a large range of temperatures.
And Aliens shows us space is a mere doddle for an Alien.
I prefer Aliens over Predator because they look more menacing and look more intrigue to watch.
Predators, cause they're sexy :)
You go girl.
* snaps fingers *
Quote from: JustADogChasingCars on Jun 16, 2010, 03:22:06 PM
Predators, cause they're sexy :)
Well, can't argue with that ;)
Quote from: JustADogChasingCars on Jun 16, 2010, 03:22:06 PM
Predators, cause they're sexy :)
Haha, and the Alien? Too kinky for ya?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 16, 2010, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: JustADogChasingCars on Jun 16, 2010, 03:22:06 PM
Predators, cause they're sexy :)
Haha, and the Alien? Too kinky for ya?
the aliens don't have the body of a greek god
Quote from: JustADogChasingCars on Jun 16, 2010, 03:22:06 PM
Predators, cause they're sexy :)
Yay I'm not alone {High Five}
{High Five} :)
Predator because of his look ,his power the mix of tribal and spacial style.
When i saw Predator 1 for the first time at the beginning of the movie i was a huge alien fan (since long time) , at the end i became a Predator fan ;D
I was so impressed the silent invisible invincible hunter completely seduce me , he just never die and is so dominant whatever he is facing
The predators inspired from the comics in AvP1 the movie just don't fit with the real Predators of Stan Winston, they are too vulnerable , too big , to much armor. They are rednecks with no instinct. Even their helmet couldn't stop an alien tong while in the same time in pred1&2 his helmet and his body could easily resist to 40mm nades and deflect shotguns shells.
The AvP's Predators are not even close to be a Stan Winston Predator (they don't even have the same face lol)
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 17, 2010, 12:00:31 PM
they are too vulnerable
I guess being impaled through the spine and subsequently getting the equivalent of a spiked giant bullet straight in your brain is sign of vulnerableness then. ;) ;D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 17, 2010, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 17, 2010, 12:00:31 PM
they are too vulnerable
I guess being impaled through the spine and subsequently getting the equivalent of a spiked giant bullet straight in your brain is sign of vulnerableness then. ;) ;D
I've hoped he would at least give a hit before dying but ...not nervous enough
The matter is that in the original movie only the queen is powerful enough to got threw an human being (android) with her tail in Alien2. When an alien is using his tail he can only stab and cut with his dart, according to Alien 4 in the scene where 2 aliens mutilate an other one to escape .
And his helmet can stop the 40mm nades blast and deflects cal 12 shells without problem ,so the tong of an Alien that don't even cracked an armored glass (Alien4) even a 9mm bullet would at least crack a armored glass (i 'm not saying a 9mm can go through a armored glass).
If you still saying the alien tong go through Pred's helmet , so he would be able to dig in any kind of steel with it, he would have been able to escape from his cage (alien4) just by tong bitting the ground or the wall.
Remember that the Queen's tong doesn't even damage the Ripley's exoskeleton at the end of Aliens Resurrection.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 17, 2010, 12:41:21 PM
The matter is that in the original movie only the queen is powerful enough to got threw an human being (android) with her tail in Alien2. When an alien is using his tail he can only stab and cut with his dart, according to Alien 4 in the scene where 2 aliens mutilate an other one to escape .
See again how Parker is killed in
Alien. The creature tailslaps him and sends him straight
flying. Predators weigh some more than humans but it's not a big problem at all.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 17, 2010, 12:41:21 PM
And his helmet can stop the 40mm nades blast and deflects cal 12 shells without problem ,so the tong of an Alien that don't even cracked an armored glass (Alien4) even a 9mm bullet would at least crack a armored glass (i 'm not saying a 9mm can go through a armored glass).
Onscreen>What you think.
A:R's glass was from 2381. If they didn't develop an advanced and resistant glass to contain better the most motherf**king dangerous species in the whole galaxy, then f**k me.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 17, 2010, 12:41:21 PM
Remember that the Queen's tong doesn't even damage the Ripley's suit at the end of Aliens Resurrection.
Um... what? The Queen and Ripley never have a faceoff in A:R.
QuoteWhen an alien is using his tail he can only stab and cut with his dart, according to Alien 4 in the scene where 2 aliens mutilate an other one to escape .
The Aliens attack the third with their inner jaws - not their tails.
And therer were two panes of glass in the Auriga medlab each a couple of inches thick.
Also that.
But I'm sure that in freakin' 2381 someone would have discovered some kind of high-resistant glass.
One would think so.
The Aliens were pretty much overpowered for the AvP 1 movie I think everyone has to see that, even the Alien Fanboys. There's no way in hell that the inner mouth of an Alien can break through the Helmet of a Pred, no way.
As for the tail, well the original Alien Drone can stab and can tailslap... but both things are not the same as stabbing and then lifting the prey up. Just look at the Giger Alien, that tail is tiny compared to the ADI Alien... nah you can come up with whatever argument you have I won't believe you.
Now to be fair, let's not let the Predfans get away too easily.
AvP: R had a Predator that was basicly immune to acid blood... wtf? Wolf was overpowered as Pred in the sense of just ignoring acid blood and being even invisible to aliens at some point of the film (when he stabs the alien from behind in the pool)
So you see, in order to make the AvP movies work and make an entertaining film, the directors have to overpower one of the species. Either they make the alien break predator helmets or a predator who uses acid blood as a shampoo.
So what can we say? Right... AvP movies don't work with the hardcore fans of the original franchise because their creatures get bastardised. As for AvP 1 it was quite entertaining, however: f**king ridiculous.
and AvP:R... oh just don't make me start.
QuoteThere's no way in hell that the inner mouth of an Alien can break through the Helmet of a Pred, no way.
Why?
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 17, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
There's no way in hell that the inner mouth of an Alien can break through the Helmet of a Pred, no way.
Why?
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 17, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
As for the tail, well the original Alien Drone can stab and can tailslap... but both things are not the same as stabbing and then lifting the prey up. Just look at the Giger Alien, that tail is tiny compared to the ADI Alien... nah you can come up with whatever argument you have I won't believe you.
The Queen did so, and much more quickly than the Alien in AvP. The latter impales and then, slowly, lifts the Predator. The Queen spends much less time.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 17, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
Now to be fair, let's not let the Predfans get away too easily.
Ha-Ah!
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 17, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
So you see, in order to make the AvP movies work and make an entertaining film, the directors have to overpower one of the species.
Anderson "overpowered" both, not only the Aliens. How come the Predator weapons be immune from the Alien acid?
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 17, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
a predator who uses acid blood as a shampoo.
That brings me back to
Evolution.... lol!
Ps. LOL SM, you just have to read my mind do you? It's me that I must do so, not you!! ;D
Quote from: SM on Jun 17, 2010, 01:00:41 PM
QuoteThere's no way in hell that the inner mouth of an Alien can break through the Helmet of a Pred, no way.
Why?
Can't be argued but supported either. Pure concept...
Of course if you like avp, non..
The spear gun ammo in Predator 2 was made out of the most solid metal that anyone could imagine. The doctor in pred 2 clearly says that nothing like this can be found on earth and that it can cut through everything since it is the most solid metal.
Hence, the Predarmor is at least made out of that metal if not even stronger. A biomechanic inner jaw can't stand a chance against that kind of metal.
In the same way, Predator Wristblades and Shurikens have different reactions to acid. How's that so?
Also consider that the Inner Jaw goes at an incredible speed when it's used as an attack. It's like a bullet. Bullets can be destroyed pretty easily but still, they can do incredible damages.
QuoteA biomechanic inner jaw can't stand a chance against that kind of metal.
Why not?
Bullets sometimes bounce of Alien hides - but inner jaws can puncture them. Don't see why it couldn't break a Predator mask at point blank.
The predators captured an alien queen and havested her, using the Alien species as a prey for manhood. They belong to the most advanced race of hunters out there and every thing they do is according to the way of the hunt, so the least thing that they could do is manufacture a helmet out of a metal that is resistant to the alien bite power.
Hell, the Shuriken and the Spear were even resistant to acid blood, so if you can develop a metal that is resistant to acid, you may as well develop a metal that is resistant of a strong but nevertheless only biomechanic bite.
Obviously they didn't.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 17, 2010, 01:14:54 PM
Hell, the Shuriken and the Spear were even resistant to acid blood, so if you can develop a metal that is resistant to acid, you may as well develop a metal that is resistant of a strong but nevertheless only biomechanic bite.
Then how Armor, Wristblades and net aren't acid-proof?
Same reason wy the helmet isn't bite-proof.
Alone that we have to make exceptions for different parts of the predator gear in terms of resistance goes to show the major logic-holes that the AvP movies have made. It would be far easier to manufacture everything from the same material, especially when you are a hunter orientated clan that doesn't want to spend hours and hours in a biolab, trying to figure out which weapons should be acid resistant and which shouldn't.
QuoteObviously they didn't.
There you go, it has come this far with AvP 1 that we'll just have to accept the given facts.
So I'm not going to argue, because even I consider the AvP franchise as canon... as much as I hate those 2 movies, they are movies, so yeah they are canon.
However now that we have the even stronger Super Preds *evil grin on my face*...
we got as new player in town ;) If they ever make it into an AvP movie, the Aliens are in some trouble.
I'm just trying to say with this, that whatever shit a screenwriter/director writes, has to be accepted by the fans. That doesn't mean that the idea is without flaws, but it's just the sad way of the world.
So again, Pred helmets = resistant to jawbite in my book, although I know every alien fan will think otherwise. So I accept it if you believe that, but don't ever expect me to believe the shit that AvP has made me want to believe in.
If a human can beat the SPs, don't see how an Alien can't. :P
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 17, 2010, 01:29:33 PM
If a human can beat the SPs, don't see how an Alien can't. :P
Spoiler
The Super Pred first had to fight the classic which obviously had to be hard on him
Anyway Zilla, we'll take this discussion up again when the movie is out ;)
Spoiler
What about the others? Doesn't Falconer get owned by Hanzo with a katana? :P
You is (:P) right, it's better to not speculate on something that has yet to come.
Besides every time I have not the same opinion like you and we argue (which actually only happens when we talk about AvP funny enough) a little bit of my soul dies, since we are both club members :(
Argue?
No, no. That's healthy discussion.
Trust me, discussing with others is a fantastic way to sharpen your opinion, your ways of exposing it and mainly how to shield it from other's.
In the last 2 years I've made an almost-un-attackable point about the Godzilla remake being legitimate, so... ;) :)
Quote from: SM on Jun 17, 2010, 01:10:01 PM
QuoteA biomechanic inner jaw can't stand a chance against that kind of metal.
Why not?
Bullets sometimes bounce of Alien hides - but inner jaws can puncture them. Don't see why it couldn't break a Predator mask at point blank.
Because the Predator helmet (and body) can resist to the blast of 2 40mm grenades in raw without being damaged
1 pulse rifle 30mm nades kill 3 aliens at the same time , and if it was a 40mm nades every body in the place would have been killed (alien and marines) cause use a 40mm nade in close environnement is simple suicide
;DI'm not a mindless Pred fan boy , the only thing i don 't like about aliens it's that they are a bit too present in the Predator universe (i know of course about the comics and books)
I really would like to see the Predator hunting other prey than humans and xeno , it would be great to see preds hunting bigger and stronger prey ,like some kind of another world T-rex or big starship troopers size monsters 8)
I'm not saying that the xeno is a powerless ant against , of course not . But if i a was facing a Predator i would rather like to be a soldier with a huge machingun than a single xeno ( of course if we where like 10 xeno at the same time on him, i would surely choose the xenos)
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 17, 2010, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 17, 2010, 01:10:01 PM
QuoteA biomechanic inner jaw can't stand a chance against that kind of metal.
Why not?
Bullets sometimes bounce of Alien hides - but inner jaws can puncture them. Don't see why it couldn't break a Predator mask at point blank.
Because the Predator helmet (and body) can resist to the blast of 2 40mm grenades in raw without being damaged
1 pulse rifle 30mm nades kill 3 aliens at the same time , and if it was a 40mm nades every body in the place would have been killed (alien and marines) cause use a 40mm nade in close environnement is simple suicide
Bullshit. This is non-cannon if anything and can be discredited here. And FYI the inner jaw is able to puncture the Pred mask, this is basic.
Neither can face Goku so thats all that matters ;D
But on to the helmet arguement Celtic got his head blown in by the head bite so there is no point argueing this.
Quote from: The PredBen on Jun 17, 2010, 07:10:12 PM
Neither can face Goku so thats all that matters ;D
But on to the helmet arguement Celtic got his head blown in by the head bite so there is no point argueing this.
^The Truth
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jun 17, 2010, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 17, 2010, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 17, 2010, 01:10:01 PM
QuoteA biomechanic inner jaw can't stand a chance against that kind of metal.
Why not?
Bullets sometimes bounce of Alien hides - but inner jaws can puncture them. Don't see why it couldn't break a Predator mask at point blank.
Because the Predator helmet (and body) can resist to the blast of 2 40mm grenades in raw without being damaged
1 pulse rifle 30mm nades kill 3 aliens at the same time , and if it was a 40mm nades every body in the place would have been killed (alien and marines) cause use a 40mm nade in close environment is simple suicide
Bullshit. This is non-cannon if anything and can be discredited here. And FYI the inner jaw is able to puncture the Pred mask, this is basic.
:D So predator 1 movie is bullshit because that's exactly what happen in the movie. At the end Dutch throw his 2 last 40mm nades at the Predator (no damage to the helmet or the body) , so this is completely canon .
But if you prefer to say that AvP the parody hum.... i mean the movie, is canon so the alien time gestation is about 10min and not hours ,so alien1 is bullshit if i follow your logic.
In my opinion it seems logic that a specie able build weapons that resist to plasma constrain (which is 100time more energetic than the sun heart) can build helmet able to resist to a simple alien inner tong . I mean even a very primitive armored glass(for the predators of course) in alien4 stopped his tong
Weren't Dutch's last to 'nades just leaves and gunpowder, though? Or am I mistaken. I haven't seen it for a while.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 17, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
So you see, in order to make the AvP movies work and make an entertaining film, the directors have to overpower one of the species.
How does that make the concept work?
wat
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 17, 2010, 09:01:44 PM
Weren't Dutch's last to 'nades just leaves and gunpowder, though? Or am I mistaken. I haven't seen it for a while.
;) Good post (that's not ironic)
the powder he empty in the leaf will be used as a lure (he will make it explode to surprise the pred when he is in the dark tunnel in order to escape)
we can the this leaf bound around his neck
But he puts his 40mm nades on the 2 spears he throws to the Pred
;) smart intervention
Oh, I see now. I need to watch that again.
The leaves on Dutch's shoulder looked like burnt skin. That is all.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 17, 2010, 09:16:34 PM
The leaves on Dutch's shoulder looked like burnt skin. That is all.
;D where are talking about the leaf (or the thing) Dutch have around his neck , if you take care, it's a leaf full of gun powder , Dutch make it explode tol ure the pred and escape from a dark tunnel where the Pred was waiting for him
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 17, 2010, 09:15:33 PM
Oh, I see now. I need to watch that again.
No matter bro, i really like people who take care about details
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 17, 2010, 09:20:30 PM
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 17, 2010, 09:16:34 PM
The leaves on Dutch's shoulder looked like burnt skin. That is all.
;D where are talking about the leaf (or the thing) Dutch have around his neck , if you take care, it's a leaf full of gun powder , Dutch make it explode tol ure the pred and escape from a dark tunnel where the Pred was waiting for him
No. I mean when he's carrying the guy and gets shot. A leaf sticks to his shoulder and looks like burnt skin.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 17, 2010, 09:49:50 PM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 17, 2010, 09:20:30 PM
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 17, 2010, 09:16:34 PM
The leaves on Dutch's shoulder looked like burnt skin. That is all.
;D where are talking about the leaf (or the thing) Dutch have around his neck , if you take care, it's a leaf full of gun powder , Dutch make it explode tol ure the pred and escape from a dark tunnel where the Pred was waiting for him
No. I mean when he's carrying the guy and gets shot. A leaf sticks to his shoulder and looks like burnt skin.
:D Yeah that's exactly what i was thinking the first time i saw the movie
Quote from: XenoVC on Jun 17, 2010, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 17, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
So you see, in order to make the AvP movies work and make an entertaining film, the directors have to overpower one of the species.
How does that make the concept work?
wat
Because otherwise the fight scenes would be over in a matter of seconds. For example end fight of AvPr: Pred rips out inner jaw of Predalien... a fountain of acid blood spills over wolf, should kill him in a matter of seconds, does it do that? No.
another example.
Wolf throws away his shuriken and mask to fight the predalien hand to hand, knowing full well that it's stronger than him... easier way would simply be to go in with the shuriken... but no, that's not cinematic enough...
I could go on and on...
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 17, 2010, 10:08:17 PM
Quote from: XenoVC on Jun 17, 2010, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 17, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
So you see, in order to make the AvP movies work and make an entertaining film, the directors have to overpower one of the species.
How does that make the concept work?
wat
Because otherwise the fight scenes would be over in a matter of seconds. For example end fight of AvPr: Pred rips out inner jaw of Predalien... a fountain of acid blood spills over wolf, should kill him in a matter of seconds, does it do that? No.
another example.
Wolf throws away his shuriken and mask to fight the predalien hand to hand, knowing full well that it's stronger than him... easier way would simply be to go in with the shuriken... but no, that's not cinematic enough...
I could go on and on...
I asked how that makes it work.
Trivializing either of the creatures is not making it work.
That is the point I'm trying to make. It should cinematically, but it doesn't simply because it's too silly.
The Celtic/Grid fight was a good example of not trivializing either creature; it was arguably the best scene from either film.
Couldn't agree more.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 17, 2010, 11:17:22 PM
The Celtic/Grid fight was a good example of not trivializing either creature; it was arguably the best scene from either film.
It was in my opinion the only good scene because it pretty much showed the fans what they wanted to see and because the amount of ridiculous ideas was kept to a minimum, hence making it a good fight.
Sadly, the only well choreographed fight in AvP history.
Out of a total of two movies.
just keeps adding the salt into the wound :(
And went for all of 3 and a half minutes.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 17, 2010, 11:27:29 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 17, 2010, 11:17:22 PM
The Celtic/Grid fight was a good example of not trivializing either creature; it was arguably the best scene from either film.
It was in my opinion the only good scene because it pretty much showed the fans what they wanted to see and because the amount of ridiculous ideas was kept to a minimum, hence making it a good fight.
Sadly, the only well choreographed fight in AvP history.
;) I agree too , but in this scene the thing that disturb me isn't the fact an alien killed a Pred, but it's the fact that "they" had to make the Pred's helmets vulnerable to alien inner tong in order to make the xeno win.
I mean why "they" didn't manage to make a xeno kill a real (Stan Winston) Pred, with a good choreography it's not so hard to do.
QuoteI agree too , but in this scene the thing that disturb me isn't the fact an alien killed a Pred, but it's the fact that "they" had to make the Pred's helmets vulnerable to alien inner tong in order to make the xeno win.
I mean why "they" didn't manage to make a xeno kill a real (Stan Winston) Pred, with a good choreography it's not so hard to do.
Amen to that man!
In my humble opinion ,the easiest way to make xeno win (in a movie) against a regular Stan winston Predator is to overcrowd the Pred.
simple, effective and impressing at the same time 8)
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 17, 2010, 11:27:29 PM
Sadly, the only well choreographed fight in AvP history.
I partly agree.
The Queen fight is not bad at all (despite Doom calling it a race lol) :)
The Queen fight was horrible.
It had a Queen Alien fighting Lex. The Predator did a little spin with the spear which was retarded. Overall the fact that Lex defeated the Alien shows that AVP isn't far behind its little brother.
The Queen would've torn the Girl to pieces if it wasn't for the awesome ninja spin the Predator performed to use its spear. Plus the Shuriken at the beginning.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 18, 2010, 01:13:59 PM
The Queen would've torn the Girl to pieces if it wasn't for the awesome ninja spin the Predator performed to use its spear. Plus the Shuriken at the beginning.
The worst thing about this battle is the fact the others predators let the young unblooded (or blooded) fight alone against a Queen.
Damn they are mindless fags , it's a young hunter with no experience (a fight against an Alien Queen isn't a part of the ritual ) they don't even helped him.
If Scar would have beat the Queen i'm sure he would next have punch the face of the Elder Pred and say "you f***cking bastard, it's only now you show yourself.... I'm the boss now get out of my sight you old piece of shit"
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 18, 2010, 01:42:05 PM
"you f***cking bastard, it's only now you show yourself.... I'm the boss now get out of my sight you old piece of shit"
Epic! ;D ;D ;D
The Predators don't help him because they wanted to see if the Predator could have fought the Queen on his own.
If he would have done so, I'm sure he would become someone important in that clan.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 18, 2010, 01:44:05 PM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 18, 2010, 01:42:05 PM
"you f***cking bastard, it's only now you show yourself.... I'm the boss now get out of my sight you old piece of shit"
Epic! ;D ;D ;D
Seconded.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 18, 2010, 01:46:00 PM
The Predators don't help him because they wanted to see if the Predator could have fought the Queen on his own.
If he would have done so, I'm sure he would become someone important in that clan.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 18, 2010, 01:44:05 PM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 18, 2010, 01:42:05 PM
"you f***cking bastard, it's only now you show yourself.... I'm the boss now get out of my sight you old piece of shit"
Epic! ;D ;D ;D
Seconded.
if they really wanted to see if a young unblooded Pred would be able to deal with an Alien Queen
Well i would say that:
They are part of the most optimistic Pred clan in the universe (given the fact the helmets of their clan don't even stop an alien inner tong , so the armor of scar would probably be useless to every Queen attacks)
They are as reckless as the P2 ones were IMHO.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 18, 2010, 02:11:06 PM
They are as reckless as the P2 ones were IMHO.
What does that mean( i'm from france so i don't understand every expression)
IMHO means In My Humble Opinion.
It's weird 'cause usually I am the one asking for shortenings. ;D
Lex defeated the Queen.
The Predator's flip was the dumbest looking thing in either AVP film. Epic Failure.
The Predators little wristblades , spear and shuriken didn't slow down the Queen. And for the record Lex saved Scar three times and he only saved her once.
For the record they both chained the Queen to that... that Water contain thing lol.
Quote from: The PredBen on Jun 18, 2010, 02:27:11 PM
The Predator's flip was the dumbest looking thing in either AVP film. Epic Failure.
Whole AvPR comes before than that. And it was epic if you ask me.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 18, 2010, 02:11:06 PM
They are as reckless as the P2 ones were IMHO.
It's got nothing to do with reckless:
Honour comes before help, if the other Preds would have interfered with the Harrigan vs Pussyface /Scar vs Queen fight, Pface/Scar would have been dishonoured and therefore unworthy of the clan. It's as simple as that.
Three points on why the spin fails -
1.) It makes the Predator look heroic. With the slo - mo and all. And then he lands next to Lex. " Oh my hero!"
2.) It fails. It doesn't hurt the Queen. For a second ... then bam ... She's fine.
3.) The Predator is way to bulky to spin like that. It looks funny ... His huge upper body ... IDK I laugh when I see it.
I'm to lazy to find the link but on Youtube theirs a video with the " Can you Feel the Love Tonight" music in the background and it shows that scene ... to funny.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 18, 2010, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 18, 2010, 02:11:06 PM
They are as reckless as the P2 ones were IMHO.
It's got nothing to do with reckless:
Honour comes before help, if the other Preds would have interfered with the Harrigan vs Pussyface /Scar vs Queen fight, Pface/Scar would have been dishonoured and therefore unworthy of the clan. It's as simple as that.
;) Yeah you're right , but if Scar had win the Elder Pred would probably worry about his place (and his pension) ;D
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 18, 2010, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 18, 2010, 02:11:06 PM
They are as reckless as the P2 ones were IMHO.
It's got nothing to do with reckless
I meant regarding the resistance of the helmets.
Quote from: The PredBen on Jun 18, 2010, 02:32:41 PM
1.) It makes the Predator look heroic. With the slo - mo and all. And then he lands next to Lex. " Oh my hero!"
Slow Motion =/= Heroic appearence. The Alien sprayed its blood from its tail in slow motion - does that make it look like a heroic being? No. Is it epic? Yes. Slow-Motion adds epic to everything, just ask Snyder.
Quote from: The PredBen on Jun 18, 2010, 02:32:41 PM
2.) It fails. It doesn't hurt the Queen. For a second ... then bam ... She's fine.
A second? Oh, no. Enough time to chain the creature to that... water container. The Queen screams in pain for a lot, maybe because the spear passed
right through her brain.
Quote from: The PredBen on Jun 18, 2010, 02:32:41 PM
3.) The Predator is way to bulky to spin like that.
You would be surprised. Hippopotamus are bulky, yet still if you piss them off they run like crazy. Crocodiles can gallop sometimes. Don't see why the Predator couldn't spin like that.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 18, 2010, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 18, 2010, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 18, 2010, 02:11:06 PM
They are as reckless as the P2 ones were IMHO.
It's got nothing to do with reckless:
Honour comes before help, if the other Preds would have interfered with the Harrigan vs Pussyface /Scar vs Queen fight, Pface/Scar would have been dishonoured and therefore unworthy of the clan. It's as simple as that.
;) Yeah you're right , but if Scar had win the Elder Pred would probably worry about his place (and his pension) ;D
lol win
Quote from: The PredBen on Jun 18, 2010, 02:27:11 PM
Lex defeated the Queen.
The Predator's flip was the dumbest looking thing in either AVP film. Epic Failure.
The Predators little wristblades , spear and shuriken didn't slow down the Queen. And for the record Lex saved Scar three times and he only saved her once.
Only the script really decide of the effectiveness of Preds weapons,
I mean that the scar's shurikens where able to cut the Queen head into 2 piece but that didn't happen, or the Spear through the Queen head could have killed her but that didn't happen
"They" wanted the battle to be more woman vs woman in order to copy in some kind way the alien saga IMHO ;)
Queen skin is stronger than a normal alien's, and the shuriken did cut out one piece of the crown.
QuoteI meant regarding the resistance of the helmets.
Sorry, my bad. Misunderstood your statement. Still don't agree with it though :D :P
QuoteYeah you're right , but if Scar had win the Elder Pred would probably worry about his place (and his pension)
How very true :D
QuoteOnly the script really decide of the effectiveness of Preds weapons,
and that's what scares the hell out of me. Both AvP movies have shown that the screenwriters can write whatever the f**k they want without Fox caring and stepping in and saying "Erm... that's real bullshit you just wrote there"
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 18, 2010, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 18, 2010, 02:11:06 PM
They are as reckless as the P2 ones were IMHO.
It's got nothing to do with reckless:
Honour comes before help, if the other Preds would have interfered with the Harrigan vs Pussyface /Scar vs Queen fight, Pface/Scar would have been dishonoured and therefore unworthy of the clan. It's as simple as that.
In P2 maybe (though the whole honor thigy is not needed I think), but still it wasn't recklesness. The hunter got his ass kicked, and Harrigan was able to defeat him, so there was utterly no point in interfering, it would only humiliate and make ridiculous the hunter who was helped, and the one who killed the prey which wasn't his.
In avp I don't think so. The queen was far more powerful than the prey Scar was sent in for. Also Scar's life at some point was the responsibilty of the elder of the clan. Letting him fight the queen there and then was just stoopid. As the whole fight. And as celtic vs grid.
Damn, even if those weren't pred and alien, that coreography of the fight was so bad. Whatever :P
Quote
;) Good post (that's not ironic)
the powder he empty in the leaf will be used as a lure (he will make it explode to surprise the pred when he is in the dark tunnel in order to escape)
we can the this leaf bound around his neck
But he puts his 40mm nades on the 2 spears he throws to the Pred
;) smart intervention
I don't think so. How could Dutch throw the spear matching the velocity of the grenade launcher on his weapon. Also he empties the gunpowder in one of the grenades to one leaf, so if that was a trap (assuming he had the two grenades only, shown in his hands - and why'd he make that as a trap if he didn't even know what situation he'll ge into?), he'd have only one grenade left. Though the end of the spears he throws (or shoot) at the pread look shiny... so dunno. But for me it's more probable that those are not the actual grenades, only gunpowder in leaves. The little trap can be a bit from the second grenade's gunpowder as well. To be honest, now I don't know...
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jun 18, 2010, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 18, 2010, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 18, 2010, 02:11:06 PM
They are as reckless as the P2 ones were IMHO.
It's got nothing to do with reckless:
Honour comes before help, if the other Preds would have interfered with the Harrigan vs Pussyface /Scar vs Queen fight, Pface/Scar would have been dishonoured and therefore unworthy of the clan. It's as simple as that.
In P2 maybe (though the whole honor thigy is not needed I think), but still it wasn't recklesness. The hunter got his ass kicked, and Harrigan was able to defeat him, so there was utterly no point in interfering, it would only humiliate and make ridiculous the hunter who was helped, and the one who killed the prey which wasn't his.
In avp I don't think so. The queen was far more powerful than the prey Scar was sent in for. Also Scar's life at some point was the responsibilty of the elder of the clan. Letting him fight the queen there and then was just stoopid. As the whole fight. And as celtic vs grid.
Damn, even if those weren't pred and alien, that coreography of the fight was so bad. Whatever :P
Quote
;) Good post (that's not ironic)
the powder he empty in the leaf will be used as a lure (he will make it explode to surprise the pred when he is in the dark tunnel in order to escape)
we can the this leaf bound around his neck
But he puts his 40mm nades on the 2 spears he throws to the Pred
;) smart intervention
I don't think so. How could Dutch throw the spear matching the velocity of the grenade launcher on his weapon. Also he empties the gunpowder in one of the grenades to one leaf, so if that was a trap (assuming he had the two grenades only, shown in his hands - and why'd he make that as a trap if he didn't even know what situation he'll ge into?), he'd have only one grenade left. Though the end of the spears he throws (or shoot) at the pread look shiny... so dunno. But for me it's more probable that those are not the actual grenades, only gunpowder in leaves. The little trap can be a bit from the second grenade's gunpowder as well. To be honest, now I don't know...
;) you're pretty good too
Well most of the things i have underline are Hollywood mistakes and super effects.
You right went you said that Dutch can't throw his spear with enough speed to activate the nade detonator, but no one thought about that and Hollywood make it possible
And it's a huge mistake you have found dutch has 2 nades, he empty 1 cause it will be usefull in the future bad situation (the hero who has the good lure a the right moment, the James Bond syndrome ::) we are used to see that in hollywood movies)
But if you want to be sure , just stop the image when Dutch aim at the Predator for the first time with his bow ,you will clearly see the shinny 40MM nades he had in his hands
Quote
But if you want to be sure , just stop the image when Dutch aim at the Predator for the first time with his bow ,you will clearly see the shinny 40MM nades he had in his hands
I did, but because of the little liana he used to fix the grenades (or leaves?) I wasn't so sure, even with the shining of the tip of the spear (that made me assume those are the nades). But guess you're right about hollywood mistakes and such :) And maybe he had a third grenade hidden somewhere.
One thing I still don't know where did he get the metal tips for the arrows? I was assuming that he made them from the shells of the grenades (making me assume again, no nades on spears), but it's no good, those are not thick enough, and anyway, I doubt he could just simply cut it with his knife. So it can't be against the nades on spears in the end too. But where did he get those?
:-[ But that strange you can't be sure of that.
Dutch have 3 spears : 2 spear with 40mm oval shinny nades bound their tips and a last one where he tied his combat knife.
AND he has a leaf load with gunpowder around his neck.
If the things at the tip of his spears aren't 40MM , so what did he put on his spear to allow them to detonate at 1st contact with the blast radius of an antipersonnel nade
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 18, 2010, 02:53:32 PM
Quote from: The PredBen on Jun 18, 2010, 02:27:11 PM
Lex defeated the Queen.
The Predator's flip was the dumbest looking thing in either AVP film. Epic Failure.
The Predators little wristblades , spear and shuriken didn't slow down the Queen. And for the record Lex saved Scar three times and he only saved her once.
Only the script really decide of the effectiveness of Preds weapons,
I mean that the scar's shurikens where able to cut the Queen head into 2 piece but that didn't happen, or the Spear through the Queen head could have killed her but that didn't happen
"They" wanted the battle to be more woman vs woman in order to copy in some kind way the alien saga IMHO ;)
Yeah I know. :-\
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 18, 2010, 05:59:44 PM
:-[ But that strange you can't be sure of that.
Dutch have 3 spears : 2 spear with 40mm oval shinny nades bound their tips and a last one where he tied his combat knife.
AND he has a leaf load with gunpowder around his neck.
If the things at the tip of his spears aren't 40MM , so what did he put on his spear to allow them to detonate at 1st contact with the blast radius of an antipersonnel nade
Yes, but the only problem is the amount of nades. There were two then? And one wasn't showed? I'm okay with that, and then no hesitation about this. But I always thought why would they hide one?
But I think it's okay. And to be frank, thanks for this.. as I always discover, it's never enough to watch this movie :)
PS-oooh, I see. Okay, now you're right for sure. Gunpowder in leaves... hmm, on the tree trunk it could've exploded, but when Anytime was on the tree, already injued, surely not. Wow, thankies :)
;) you're welcome
Allright. We are going to settle this once and for all.
Heads is the alien and tales is the predator
No outside interference. Whichever way the coin lands, that is what is it. Got it!?
(Flips coin. Coin lands.)
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.................Huh.
*blows on coin*
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It's heads. Vote Alien.
That coin was weighted!
That was outside interference.
No it wasn't. I didn't do anything.
*looks around nervously*
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 19, 2010, 02:05:56 AM
No it wasn't. I didn't do anything.
*looks around nervously*
It was his blow job! I seen eim' do it!
*Thinks over wording*
:-[
Wow. This is incredibly awkward...
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jun 19, 2010, 02:13:10 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 19, 2010, 02:05:56 AM
No it wasn't. I didn't do anything.
*looks around nervously*
It was his blow job! I seen eim' do it!
*Thinks over wording*
:-[
Whoa... That's all I have to say.
Allright. Lets do this again.
(Flips coin and it lands.)
No.
(Flips coin and it lands.)
No.
(Flips coin and it lands.)
No!
(Flips coin and it lands.)
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Oh my............God! :o
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jun 19, 2010, 02:19:57 AM
Allright. Lets do this again.
(Flips coin and it lands.)
No.
(Flips coin and it lands.)
No.
(Flips coin and it lands.)
No!
(Flips coin and it lands.)
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Oh my............God! :o
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I don't understand...But...
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Graboids. There. Game over.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 19, 2010, 02:44:12 AM
Graboids. There. Game over.
???Are they the big worms from some class Z movies , i don't see what's exceptional about them.
They are almost nothing compare to the DUNE'S Sandworms
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 19, 2010, 12:08:12 PM???Are they the big worms from some class Z movies , i don't see what's exceptional about them.
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Exactly.
@FUZION PREDATOR, please, don't try to find any logic in it. They love graboids, and it's illogical in this same way like my love to them... ;)
What happened with this thread BTW...? :(
Monolith flipped a coin. Didn't turn out so well.
QuoteWhat happened with this thread BTW...?
Well, you know, the usual... after some time it just gets violated until someone makes a statement about the topic again and we're back on track.
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 19, 2010, 03:59:09 PM
@FUZION PREDATOR, please, don't try to find any logic in it. They love graboids, and it's illogical in this same way like my love to them... ;)
What happened with this thread BTW...? :(
:D Sorry i wasn't aware of the Graboid love in this forum (until today i didn't even know what was a graboid)
But if you like big worms , Dune's Sandworms are made for you ;D , perhaps in your opinion you they are probably less charismatic than graboids, which is easily understandable
Tremors is a better film than Dune though, so it's easier to love the graboid. Although the book is excellent.
I like both films to be honest.
I'm affectioned to both creatures, and you know why? Graboids are ADI's masterpieces and diamond apex, Dune Sandworms are Rambaldi's work, some of his best too.
Dune sure was one murky example of what the hell? :D
Surprisingly though, I did enjoy it.
That suit which transforms your own sweat into potable water was pure genious, wish I had one!
If you enjoyed the movie, you should all read the book.
It's going to have to get in line behind the other dozen or so books I should get through before too long.
Predator
I like them more
Quote from: G0rt on Jun 20, 2010, 03:39:45 PM
Predator
I like them more
Well that's solved it. G0rt says Preds.....I'm goin' with Preds.
@Anto, don't you think that subjective points can't be argued? So yes, it's personal solution. Every of us has something like this, no need to comments. ;)
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 20, 2010, 04:27:56 PM
@Anto, don't you think that subjective points can't be argued? So yes, it's personal solution. Every of us has something like this, no need to comments. ;)
Of course my dear, I was just playing around. :)
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 20, 2010, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 20, 2010, 04:27:56 PM
@Anto, don't you think that subjective points can't be argued? So yes, it's personal solution. Every of us has something like this, no need to comments. ;)
Of course my dear, I was just playing around. :)
Of course my dear, I know it. :) I know you very well. ;)
Oh I see...
Spoiler
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If you has asked me this question a few weeks ago I would of defently picked Aliens but now I'm not so sure. I mean Aliens need humans and preds to eat and breed thus if they has their way they would kill all of them and they would go extinct, or the Aliens would be eliminated eventually anyway by the preds. I mean the pred always win, they won AVP1 and they won in AVP2 because the aliens were totally terminated and the preds only lost one ship and the hunter. Well I suppose you could say the Humans won AVP2.
Anyways if their was a war between Aliens and Preds the preds would win, they don't even want to exterminate the Aliens they see them as sport. The Aliens rely too much on the other species, if they evolved so they didn't need hosts then they would be the best but until then the preds rule.
Alien for me, because they are intresting creatures in my opinion. They look very graceful and deadly at the same time like a female fatality. i find it weird that the alien has a penis for a head, and a feminine body. it also has cum as saliva. very intresting, and creepy at the same time. also the fact that they morph humans into eggs when there is an absense of a queen makes this alien creature more creepy. Predators are cool too. they are badass, cold, calculating, but the aliens too are cold and calculating. Movies especially avp and avp-r dont know how aliens fight. aliens are merciless, sexual creatures. In my opinion, and based on movies as well, aliens prefer to overwhlem their enemies, grabbing them, and controlling them. basically like raping them literally. so that is pretty intresting and cool about the alien creature. love the ribs, the long cranium, the tail, it looks like a graceful human robot biomechenical lizard.
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 20, 2010, 11:23:56 PM
a female fatality
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Baraka and Johnny are male.
I think he may have meant 'femme fatale'...
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 20, 2010, 11:23:56 PM
it also has cum as saliva.
Not only that, the stringy bits 'round its jaws are condoms.
Think one would be consulting a doctor if ones cum was that colour...
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 20, 2010, 11:23:56 PM
Alien for me, because they are intresting creatures in my opinion. They look very graceful and deadly at the same time like a female fatality. i find it weird that the alien has a penis for a head, and a feminine body. it also has cum as saliva. very intresting, and creepy at the same time. also the fact that they morph humans into eggs when there is an absense of a queen makes this alien creature more creepy. Predators are cool too. they are badass, cold, calculating, but the aliens too are cold and calculating. Movies especially avp and avp-r dont know how aliens fight. aliens are merciless, sexual creatures. In my opinion, and based on movies as well, aliens prefer to overwhlem their enemies, grabbing them, and controlling them. basically like raping them literally. so that is pretty intresting and cool about the alien creature. love the ribs, the long cranium, the tail, it looks like a graceful human robot biomechenical lizard.
What just happenned ?
He noticed the sexual aspects to the Alien's design.
i go 100% predator
i have always been intrigued by the fact that the predator left that woman alive in predator 2 because she was pregnant.
Be the same as human hunters not targetting pregnant animals.
It's a circle of life thing.
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2010, 02:03:58 AM
Think one would be consulting a doctor if ones cum was that colour...
what are you talking about? the alien's saliva from ALIEN looks like semen, or pre-ejaculation semen. you know nothing about sex. grow up and get laid.
Take it easy. There's no need for that.
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 03:01:05 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2010, 02:03:58 AM
Think one would be consulting a doctor if ones cum was that colour...
what are you talking about? the alien's saliva from ALIEN looks like semen, or pre-ejaculation semen. you know nothing about sex. grow up and get laid.
Your ignorance knows no bounds :D
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2010, 03:03:41 AM
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 03:01:05 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2010, 02:03:58 AM
Think one would be consulting a doctor if ones cum was that colour...
what are you talking about? the alien's saliva from ALIEN looks like semen, or pre-ejaculation semen. you know nothing about sex. grow up and get laid.
Your ignorance knows no bounds :D
what ignorance? maening you? face it, i know more about avp than u.
Oh absolutely. :D
He's surprisingly offensive for a man with a bible quote.
I am not offensive toward SM, its just that he is annoying and jealous about my knowledge of aliens and predators.
You're kidding right?
No. No, he isn't.
Please don't judge all those with faith based on the loud and obnoxious ones. ;D
Oh, man... I can't miss it... ;D What happens when males ego is bigger than his IQ... ;D
"Go on, Soldier! Go on!"
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 21, 2010, 03:14:17 AM
Oh, man... I can't miss it... ;D What happens when males ego is bigger than his IQ... ;D
"Go on, Soldier! Go on!"
FAIL statement, you dont have anything to justify what you just said.
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 03:15:04 AM
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 21, 2010, 03:14:17 AM
Oh, man... I can't miss it... ;D What happens when males ego is bigger than his IQ... ;D
"Go on, Soldier! Go on!"
FAIL statement, you dont have anything to justify what you just said.
Fail statement. I have... ;) Unfortunately, I have.... ;)
Spoiler
If you randomly come here and you offended the most just, smart and experienced member of this community... No comment needed.
what is ;)? w/e haterz, i love haterz keep them coming.
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 21, 2010, 03:19:55 AM
If you randomly come here and you offended the most just, smart and experienced member of this community... No comment needed.
Then why did you make one. ???
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 03:01:05 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2010, 02:03:58 AM
Think one would be consulting a doctor if ones cum was that colour...
what are you talking about? the alien's saliva from ALIEN looks like semen, or pre-ejaculation semen. you know nothing about sex. grow up and get laid.
Says the 16 year old...
So wise for one so young.
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 03:10:58 AM
I am not offensive toward SM, its just that he is annoying and jealous about my knowledge of aliens and predators.
The power of Christ compels you!!!
:D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 21, 2010, 05:10:04 AM
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 03:10:58 AM
I am not offensive toward SM, its just that he is annoying and jealous about my knowledge of aliens and predators.
The power of Christ compels you!!!
Yeah, to stop teh trollzin'.
Honestly, though? I can't tell if he's just messing with us or if he actually means this stuff. If the former, bravo, sir. You're very good at what you do. If the latter . . . oh man, do I wish Mal was here to bring the pain on him.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 21, 2010, 03:33:39 AM
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 21, 2010, 03:19:55 AM
If you randomly come here and you offended the most just, smart and experienced member of this community... No comment needed.
Then why did you make one. ???
'cause I counted on your comment. ;D And you didn't disappoint me, like always. ;D
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jun 21, 2010, 05:55:47 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 21, 2010, 05:10:04 AM
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 03:10:58 AM
I am not offensive toward SM, its just that he is annoying and jealous about my knowledge of aliens and predators.
The power of Christ compels you!!!
Yeah, to stop teh trollzin'.
Honestly, though? I can't tell if he's just messing with us or if he actually means this stuff. If the former, bravo, sir. You're very good at what you do. If the latter . . . oh man, do I wish Mal was here to bring the pain on him.
who is this mal of yours? your butt buddy? lols
How to win friends and influence people...
I'm wondering if I should post my option I think it has changed over the years since I joined...
This guy can't learn... It's sad, it couldn't be funny... :-\
@Soldier... Do you really think that being offensive toward the most famous members is reasonable? You come to this community, so be so nice and show a little respect, huh?
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2010, 06:03:41 AM
How to win friends and influence people...
QFT
Offense cares little for "fame". ;D
Maybe, but we still love you, not him... ;) So his efforts are absurd.
I dont care if he's a senior or not. He is just jealous fool. A hater. Keep hatin. Now i know why its so hard to please you "fans." I doubt you guys are even true aliens vs predator fans as well. SM makes this site look bad. maybe you should change the name to avpgalaxyfrauds.net.
Nope... Maybe you should leave this site, if you don't like its members and you feel bad here? And you can't learn how you should behave. Rules, normal, human rules in every community are this same. It's you who works hard for be hated, nobody else.
And your self-confidence... God, have mercy... :-\
Another true fan... :-\
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 06:53:22 AM
I dont care if he's a senior or not. He is just jealous fool. A hater. Keep hatin. Now i know why its so hard to please you "fans." I doubt you guys are even true aliens vs predator fans as well. SM makes this site look bad. maybe you should change the name to avpgalaxyfrauds.net.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg220.imageshack.us%2Fimg220%2F6262%2Fbeck.gif&hash=f7d1ce3c603d8a02aa5ee82f6e83fd33084d9276)
lol SM you;re crying? Awww im sry! cheer up paps. :)
Smilies can't save you now...
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2010, 08:17:15 AM
Smilies can't save you now...
save me from what? creep.
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 21, 2010, 07:07:21 AM
Nope... Maybe you should leave this site, if you don't like its members and you feel bad here? And you can't learn how you should behave. Rules, normal, human rules in every community are this same. It's you who works hard for be hated, nobody else.
And your self-confidence... God, have mercy... :-\
Another true fan... :-\
Why should I? I am here to enlighten you braindead so called "avp fanboys".
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 08:33:23 AM
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 21, 2010, 07:07:21 AM
Nope... Maybe you should leave this site, if you don't like its members and you feel bad here? And you can't learn how you should behave. Rules, normal, human rules in every community are this same. It's you who works hard for be hated, nobody else.
And your self-confidence... God, have mercy... :-\
Another true fan... :-\
Why should I? I am here to enlighten you braindead so called "avp fanboys".
The best joke today.... :-\
But unfortunately... very sad... again, your self-confidence is impossible to imagine... :-\
But try, poor boy, try... enlighten my braindead, fanboyish mind... Annoying everyone here it's interesting way... :-\
(*leaving this hopeless thread*)
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 21, 2010, 08:53:12 AM
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 08:33:23 AM
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 21, 2010, 07:07:21 AM
Nope... Maybe you should leave this site, if you don't like its members and you feel bad here? And you can't learn how you should behave. Rules, normal, human rules in every community are this same. It's you who works hard for be hated, nobody else.
And your self-confidence... God, have mercy... :-\
Another true fan... :-\
Why should I? I am here to enlighten you braindead so called "avp fanboys".
The best joke today.... :-\
But unfortunately... very sad... again, your self-confidence is impossible to imagine... :-\
But try, poor boy, try... enlighten my braindead, fanboyish mind... Annoying everyone here it's interesting way... :-\
(*leaving this hopeless thread*)
I'll try, but you will have to help yourself as well. Can't leave it to the big dog like me you know. ;)
Quote from: Predator Queen on Jun 21, 2010, 06:04:06 AM
I'm wondering if I should post my option I think it has changed over the years since I joined...
I would totally guess Alien for you.
:P
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 06:53:22 AM
I dont care if he's a senior or not. He is just jealous fool. A hater. Keep hatin. Now i know why its so hard to please you "fans." I doubt you guys are even true aliens vs predator fans as well. SM makes this site look bad. maybe you should change the name to avpgalaxyfrauds.net.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi33.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fd53%2FUrsper%2F1270313079952.jpg&hash=bdfc40851098715b18b205ee869c96226c4cd0b9)
more like THOU ART JEALOUS!!!
Soldier, I bet you misunderstood what the other users tried to say.
SM was just kidding, and so was Keylight.
As a famous song says...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2y40bVp2Ps
thats cool, i got my own song for you guys too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d0YDcs2b4w
You got it all wrong.
They do not hate you, at all.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 21, 2010, 09:37:20 AM
You got it all wrong.
They do not hate you, at all.
o yes they do. keep it comin kids.
No, they don't.
You misunderstood what they said and offended them, making one big bad equivocation.
Peace & Love.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 21, 2010, 09:42:49 AM
No, they don't.
You misunderstood what they said and offended them, making one big bad equivocation.
Peace & Love.
uh huh. like im guna believe that. I love haterz.
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 21, 2010, 08:53:12 AM
(*leaving this hopeless thread*)
Gonna agree with Keylight now.
*Leaves*
Aww, I always miss the good stuff. And this was a big one!
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 21, 2010, 09:37:20 AM
You got it all wrong.
They do not hate you, at all.
Well . . . I kind of do. So, yeah. Speak for yourself and all that jazz.
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 21, 2010, 06:05:12 AM
@Soldier... Do you really think that being offensive toward the most famous members is reasonable?
Really? You think I'm one of the most famous members? I mean I knew I was popular, but this is . . . I'm touched. *Teary eyed.* Thank you.
*Sniff.*
He's got to be a doup account. Someones messing with us. I think it might be mal. :D
Obviously this is just another phase in his plan to manipulate the forum and gain complete control of it.
He's too smart for us! He'll destroy us all!
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jun 21, 2010, 01:30:22 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 21, 2010, 09:37:20 AM
You got it all wrong.
They do not hate you, at all.
Well . . . I kind of do. So, yeah. Speak for yourself and all that jazz.
You are only making him happy. ;)
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 08:33:23 AM
Quote from: keylight-di on Jun 21, 2010, 07:07:21 AM
Nope... Maybe you should leave this site, if you don't like its members and you feel bad here? And you can't learn how you should behave. Rules, normal, human rules in every community are this same. It's you who works hard for be hated, nobody else.
And your self-confidence... God, have mercy... :-\
Another true fan... :-\
Why should I? I am here to enlighten you braindead so called "avp fanboys".
Oh, the irony of that statement! :D
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jun 21, 2010, 11:38:34 AM
Aww, I always miss the good stuff. And this was a big one!
That's why you start your own, TJ. With my help, of course.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jun 21, 2010, 02:42:27 PM
Obviously this is just another phase in his plan to manipulate the forum and gain complete control of it.
He's too smart for us! He'll destroy us all!
Just imagine; what if he and Doom forged an alliance? There would be no hope...
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 21, 2010, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jun 21, 2010, 02:42:27 PM
Obviously this is just another phase in his plan to manipulate the forum and gain complete control of it.
He's too smart for us! He'll destroy us all!
Just imagine; what if he and Doom forged an alliance? There would be no hope...
You and TJ could protect us! Unfortunately, you'd need someone for the dangerous suicide missions. I volunteer myself. I may die horribly, but at least I'd go down being slightly more popular due to association.
You volunteer for the suicide mission? Okay, put these on:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_gzec8XUKWsA%2FSnHPDlgJkMI%2FAAAAAAAABto%2Fj1YTHP6nK5c%2Fs400%2Fdesign-your-own-tutu-exp.jpg&hash=e3639da6f9dd7f1d71e0a1c493b279b4f35c5dee)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.diytrade.com%2Fcdimg%2F149441%2F8088594%2F0%2F1235571453%2FMilitary_Beret.jpg&hash=355b1f8229a1473ea464ab0bcefebc5818f2e9c5)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_kGJxEMmu2R8%2FSs5K1QxpYjI%2FAAAAAAAACIU%2FEDvJ2pzpM5c%2Fs400%2F0328-foodbox-orangina.jpg&hash=32b4d7b680cf9809bc8528b1688e461b23869cf6)
We'll contact you in a few days time.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 22, 2010, 02:56:01 AM
You volunteer for the suicide mission? Okay, put these on:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gzec8XUKWsA/SnHPDlgJkMI/AAAAAAAABto/j1YTHP6nK5c/s400/design-your-own-tutu-exp.jpg
http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/149441/8088594/0/1235571453/Military_Beret.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kGJxEMmu2R8/Ss5K1QxpYjI/AAAAAAAACIU/EDvJ2pzpM5c/s400/0328-foodbox-orangina.jpg
We'll contact you in a few days time.
You know, I get the feeling that I'm preparing less for a suicide mission and more for some sick fetish film, but . . . I'll do it.
*Puts gear on.*
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 06:53:22 AM
I dont care if he's a senior or not. He is just jealous fool. A hater. Keep hatin. Now i know why its so hard to please you "fans." I doubt you guys are even true aliens vs predator fans as well. SM makes this site look bad. maybe you should change the name to avpgalaxyfrauds.net.
Watch your mouth buddy, otherwise the Gods of this site will smite thee.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 22, 2010, 06:24:37 PM
Quote from: ChristianSoldier on Jun 21, 2010, 06:53:22 AM
I dont care if he's a senior or not. He is just jealous fool. A hater. Keep hatin. Now i know why its so hard to please you "fans." I doubt you guys are even true aliens vs predator fans as well. SM makes this site look bad. maybe you should change the name to avpgalaxyfrauds.net.
Watch your mouth buddy, otherwise the Gods of this site will smite thee.
Wow, we're, uh . . . not really into religion here, are we?
Well if someone uses the name "Christian Soldier" and has a bible quote as text one feels tempted to use mytholgic metaphors.
It makes me a bit sad inside. Guys like this are putting more wood to the fire of "Christians are douches". :(
Pretty please, with a cherry on top, get back to the friggin' topic!
I'm still with the Predator, but I've learned to like the Alien a lot more. Back in the day, I just wanted them dead. Now, I just want them dead...a little bit.
Welcome back Chief :)
I love both =. But that is probably due to my origins of my fandom, the fact I first saw alien and predator back to back, probably why I thought they would be great together, how wrong I was.
Quoteprobably why I thought they would be great together, how wrong I was.
You weren't wrong entirely, I mean there is (still) great potential in placing both of them in the same universe. It's just the movies have been so bad, that one just doesn't want to see Preds and Aliens together anymore since there's only been one letdown after the other.
Predators, the ultimate hunter...
;) You forgot to say " the ultimate silent invisible invincible hunter"
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 23, 2010, 09:30:06 AM
;) You forgot to say " the ultimate silent invisible invincible hunter"
;)
Yes, because the predator always survived the film they were in. They never got a tail rammed through them, or their arm chopped off and a disc rammed into their chest, or had a log fall on them. ;)
And they never, never went boom because of a nuke. :D
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 23, 2010, 09:30:06 AM
;) You forgot to say " the ultimate silent invisible invincible hunter"
Invincible? Nah, you're thinking of Mark Whalberg.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 23, 2010, 03:51:41 PM
And they never, never went boom because of a nuke. :D
And they never never get their ass kicked 4 time a raw by a woman space trucker
And they never never get get their commander drown by an ecologist woman in t- shirt in the middle of Antarctica
And they never never felt into a girl raper trap, and after get killed by a glass of fresh water.
these responses have exactly the same intellectual level than yours, cause you get almost mad when i remember to an other Preds fan the striking words (the signature) on the Predator 2 posters and DVD covers.
We where dealing with old Predator2 covers , and then you rush with your "alien impaling blabla" "headtong biting blabla".
I will finally think that you rather prefer AvP movies ( not AvPR, i know because too many xeno die ,crying face) than alien's movies ,given the fact despite his contradictions with the original movies you still considering AvP canon ( is it because we see xeno easily killing the Preds? ::) )
I mean, if i shot the worst (in quality and respect of the franchise) AvP movie possible , and if i add inside it,several scenes where a single xeno take down 4 Preds at the same time. Would you consider this film canon because of these scene? (alien killing Preds is that all you expect about an AvP movie)
Because if someone consider AvP canon so AvPR is. It would be immature to think AvP is canon alien rocks ,AvPR not canon cause alien are dumb.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 08:26:31 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 23, 2010, 03:51:41 PM
And they never, never went boom because of a nuke. :D
And they never never get their ass kicked 4 time a raw by a woman space trucker
And they never never get get their commander drown by an ecologist woman in t- shirt in the middle of Antarctica
And they never never felt into a girl raper trap, and after get killed by a glass of fresh water.
What happened to the Aliens doesn't erase what happened to the Predators. Invincible is pretty much overrating them.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 08:26:31 AM
And they never never get their ass kicked 4 time a raw by a woman space trucker
No, in fact, the Aliens get defeated by phisics. ;)
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 08:26:31 AM
And they never never get get their commander drown by an ecologist woman in t- shirt in the middle of Antarctica
Aliens
don't drown. You may want to rewatch
Alien: Resurrection. :)
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 08:26:31 AM
And they never never felt into a girl raper trap, and after get killed by a glass of fresh water.
Haha, never seen Predators surviving Tons of Molten Lead. ;) :)
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 08:26:31 AM
these responses have exactly the same intellectual level than yours, cause you get almost mad when i remember to an other Preds fan the striking words (the signature) on the Predator 2 posters and DVD covers.
You don't know me, at all. I don't
get mad in the forums. The only time I did was way back and it didn't even happen here.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 08:26:31 AM
We where dealing with old Predator2 covers , and then you rush with your "alien impaling blabla" "headtong biting blabla".
I will finally think that you rather prefer AvP movies ( not AvPR, i know because too many xeno die ,crying face) than alien's movies ,given the fact despite his contradictions with the original movies you still considering AvP canon ( is it because we see xeno easily killing the Preds? ::))
Invincible is an adjective that can be applied to Chuck Norris, to Burt Gummer, to Cthulhu, to Super Mario, to Kirby, not to the Predators, by any means. That's what we were meaning there, if you missed.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 08:26:31 AM
I mean, if i shot the worst (in quality and respect of the franchise) AvP movie possible , and if i add inside it,several scenes where a single xeno take down 4 Preds at the same time. Would you consider this film canon because of these scene?
If it is handled good, has good pacing and tension, and has cool shots, why not? ;) We've seen a lot of Aliens in AvPR gettin' their ass kicked by a single Predator because they didn't move at all, let's see someone who instead does move something. :)
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 08:26:31 AM
(alien killing Preds is that all you expect about an AvP movie)
No, I expect both killing each other in memorable scenes, that's the thing. ;)
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 08:26:31 AM
Because if someone consider AvP canon so AvPR is. It would be immature to think AvP is canon alien rocks ,AvPR not canon cause alien are dumb.
I don't know who you are referring with, because 99.9% of this site considers all the films canon.
The invincible adjecive refer to their "terminator like" vulnerability ,because of ,all the damages they take (40mm nades , Shotgun shells , Desert Eagle bullets, arm cut etc...) without dying.
And to respond to your " i never seen Predators surviving tons of molten" , i never seen Alien surviving to even a single 40mm nade (one 30mm nade kill 3 of them in Alien 2). Just for kidding ::)
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 09:24:42 AM
The invincible adjecive refer to their "terminator like" vulnerability
You have never seen a Terminator film did you? A Predator (or an Alien, for that matter) would get annihilated by a Terminator.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 09:24:42 AM
And to respond to your " i never seen Predators surviving tons of molten" , i never seen Alien surviving to even a single 40mm nade (one 30mm nade kill 3 of them in Alien 2). Just for kidding ::)
You know that there is a substantial difference and that the former is much, much more deadly? ;) Plus before actually dying they get shoved with bullets, and when they get 3 or 4, it's because they get them directly in the fu**in head. Never seen a Predator surviving those in the head.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 09:24:42 AM
because of ,all the damages they take (40mm nades
Doesn't happen. Arnie cannibalizes the grenades to create his make-shift weapons. Even though none of his explosives hit the Predator, the weakened indirect hits were enough to hurt it -- The first knocked out its cloak and the second penetrated its shin armour and wounded it.
We see Aliens killed by direct nade hits, sure -- but otherwise they're thrown clear :P
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 24, 2010, 09:27:40 AM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 09:24:42 AM
The invincible adjecive refer to their "terminator like" vulnerability
You have never seen a Terminator film did you? A Predator (or an Alien, for that matter) would get annihilated by a Terminator.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 09:24:42 AM
And to respond to your " i never seen Predators surviving tons of molten" , i never seen Alien surviving to even a single 40mm nade (one 30mm nade kill 3 of them in Alien 2). Just for kidding ::)
You know that there is a substantial difference and that the former is much, much more deadly? ;) Plus before actually dying they get shoved with bullets, and when they get 3 or 4, it's because they get them directly in the fu**in head. Never seen a Predator surviving those in the head.
Last response to your post (i don't want to wast too much time with you)
Terminators get pown by Preds in every comic books ( a single plasma shot and no more terminator). Even the xenos destroy some T-800 when close enough to hit them with their acidic blood
Mainly i was just saying that the Predator vulnerability is pretty close (not same of course) to a terminator, that's why i was saying he has a "terminator like" vulnerability (IMO)
Then i agree we clearly see xeno surviving to space void and molten lead . But we clearly see them being completely smashed by like ten pulse rifle shot (Ripley shooting an alien with Newt on her side) or killed by 3 with a single 30mm shot
That means the xeno are very resistant to environmental attacks (flames ,molten lead , space void) but not so resitant against direct attacks or (more precisely) projectile launching weaponry like shotgun, pistols, pulse rifle smartgun and even harpoon launcher ( the alien "body armor" didn't deflect Ripley's harpoon in Alien1)
Useless to respond to this post (especially with your own "special" interpretation of the alien movies)
If by 'special interpretation' you mean 'what's presented in the film', then okay ...
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 10:56:25 AM
Last response to your post (i don't want to wast too much time with you)
Bahahahaha, if you don't want a serious discussion just not contrast my posts. I'm not one of those idiots who says ALIHN/PREDATR IS BETTAH DUHH, I'm one of those who want a discussion on the subject. If you don't want to "waste" time with me, this is because you can't contrast well my points with your incredibly biased ones.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 10:56:25 AM
Terminators get pown by Preds in every comic books ( a single plasma shot and no more terminator). Even the xenos destroy some T-800 when close enough to hit them with their acidic blood
Same question,
again: Did you see at least one of the Terminator films? You're the one who says crossovers ain't valid, and that only the original films count. Terminators smash through walls and resist to molten metal. One punch would be sufficient enough to break the ribcage of a Predator.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 10:56:25 AM
Mainly i was just saying that the Predator vulnerability is pretty close (not same of course) to a terminator, that's why i was saying he has a "terminator like" vulnerability (IMO)
It's not even close. A Terminator in T-Salvation resists to all kinds of shit, and can combat even if broke in half.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 10:56:25 AM
Then i agree we clearly see xeno surviving to space void and molten lead . But we clearly see them being completely smashed by like ten pulse rifle shot (Ripley shooting an alien with Newt on her side) or killed by 3 with a single 30mm shot
How do you know since those are future weapons? ;)
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 10:56:25 AM
That means the xeno are very resistant to environmental attacks (flames ,molten lead , space void) but not so resitant against direct attacks or (more precisely) projectile launching weaponry like shotgun, pistols, pulse rifle smartgun and even harpoon launcher ( the alien "body armor" didn't deflect Ripley's harpoon in Alien1)
Do you know the effects of Space Vacuum and how those are decisely more deadly than the guns? A Predator anyway got a wound from those - a big bad wound which had made one good blood loss, in P and P2.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 10:56:25 AM
Useless to respond to this post (especially with your own "special" interpretation of the alien movies)
Your incredibly biased posts are
useless if you specifically ask to not respond to them. You could just not post them if you want them to be ignored. Mine is not a "special interpretation" since mine are just facts exposed in the films, which you seem to ignore in all of your posts.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 24, 2010, 10:53:31 AM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 09:24:42 AM
because of ,all the damages they take (40mm nades
Doesn't happen. Arnie cannibalizes the grenades to create his make-shift weapons. Even though none of his explosives hit the Predator, the weakened indirect hits were enough to hurt it -- The first knocked out its cloak and the second penetrated its shin armour and wounded it.
We see Aliens killed by direct nade hits, sure -- but otherwise they're thrown clear :P
SiL , it has been a long time i hoped to discuss with you :)
;) Well your right, the 40mm nade didn't directly hit him. But the blast radius (at the distance the nades explode) still the same, and the kinetic energy (the punch power) of the nade itself doesn't make a huge difference as it's an anti-personnal nade (not really an anti-material one)
And the second nade seems to have wound his calf. If you look carefully when the pred (in Pred1) get away from Dutch in order to take off his mask an shoulder canon, you can see much blood on one of his calf. So the second nade seems to have penetrate his calf armor (butreally think this nade directly hit him when he was hidding in the tree)
But are you saying that in Alien2 , the 3 aliens flying in the air by a single 30mm nade still alive?
if it's the case can you please, clearly say what in the movies indicates this to the viewers, cause i really want to know ???
One of my friend really want you write this message for you (he barely tooks the computer off my hands)
" Hail to you SiL!!!!!!, we have the faith....oh SiL my chest is yours, honor me"
;D No more Sil alien fanclub friends at home while i'm on this forum
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jun 24, 2010, 11:21:13 AM
But are you saying that in Alien2 , the 3 aliens flying in the air by a single 30mm nade still alive?
if it's the case can you please, clearly say what in the movies indicates this to the viewers, cause i really want to know ???
The fact there aren't piles of Alien bodies lying around and the fact they don't seem in the least bit injured, just hurled forward. All limbs are intact, frame-by-frame doesn't show them being torn open by the blasts.
And you glossed over the fact that the explosives Arnie used weren't at full strength. He clearly opened up the grenades and used the powder not just for the bow and the spear, but the flashbomb he uses near the end.
There were Aliens flying for bullets?
It's not because their bodies aren't destroyed that the inside's not. Look when a soldier die of a nade in real life his outside lookin' can be clean but the inside completely f**** up this is why he dies
In predator 1, maybe the first nade wasn't full powered but the 2nd was and the 2nd one just blowed on his chest armor and he didn't really looked aweaked after those but angrier than before .
Some Animals are technically weaker when you hurt 'em with bullets but are indeed angrier.
Cornered or threatened animals can strike with a vengeance.
Predators always strike with a vengeance. Anytime was just a little angrier than usual with Arnie.
Quote from: Spartan-06 on Jun 24, 2010, 12:51:12 PM
It's not because their bodies aren't destroyed that the inside's not. Look when a soldier die of a nade in real life his outside lookin' can be clean but the inside completely f**** up this is why he dies
If the Aliens did die, there's a huge discrepancy in the film. Judging by how many Aliens there are at the start of the Ops attack, in order for there to be as many as there were in the vents, a good portion of the Aliens must have survived. If grenades had enough impact radius to kill them in the manner we saw, judging by the amount of grenades detonated, there wouldn't have been enough Aliens to have the vent scene make sense.
Quote from: Spartan-06 on Jun 24, 2010, 12:51:12 PM
In predator 1, maybe the first nade wasn't full powered but the 2nd was and the 2nd one just blowed on his chest armor and he didn't really looked aweaked after those but angrier than before .
Where, exactly, do you come up with the argument that the second grenade
was full powered?
Because Arnie has just opened one nade when he puts some "gunpowder" in the leaf, not both nades.
So one of the 2 nades are full powered and another in less powerfull
Yeah , that"s not too hard to observe. Just rewatch Predator 1 you will see.
predator...period ;D
Its a tough call...depends how much experience both Alien and Predator has.
Predators. I love aliens without a doubt,but id rather be taken out people in a mosh pit to cannibal corpse with a predator rather than an alien.
Im not going into detail about how stronger they are.Both species are just as strong,its just preds have an advantage of weapons.Dosen't make them better,hell,as weve seen.
I love anytime! i wish he was real ha then we could go get pissed up and find thugs.for pleasure...
preds
i grew up with them first
-there swift
-stronger than the aliens (i mean i dont think we ever saw an alien pick up a pred and through it or pick up a man with one hand)
-i hate it wen people say they r good just cause they have advanced weapons but even then the weapons can be primative to a point
aliens r so cool the design, their mthods everything but the preds alone r a stronger but the aliens have numbers if there was a thousand preds with no weapons theyd still win
Quote(i mean i dont think we ever saw an alien pick up a pred and through it or pick up a man with one hand
"We" have - though you may not have.
An Alien picked up a Predator with it's tail, ate his brain, then flung him away.
And an Alien carried Dietrich with one arm while climbing up a wall.
Quote from: williammcnasty#awesome92 on Jul 05, 2010, 11:14:42 PM
-stronger than the aliens (i mean i dont think we ever saw an alien pick up a pred and through it or pick up a man with one hand)
aliens r so cool the design, their mthods everything but the preds alone r a stronger but the aliens have numbers if there was a thousand preds with no weapons theyd still win
That I disagree with. Not only have we seen an Alien pick up a Predator, we've seen them bash down steel bulkheads, a feat of strength that I have yet to see a Predator come close to matching.
And if the Pred has no weapons, he's essentially f**ked, barring the convenient placement of a nearby airlock or vat of molten lead paired with water. ;D
So Predators win because they have the upper hand with their technology which wouldn't be provided without their level of intelligence.
Technology doesn't count for very much when you're taking an acid bath.
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2010, 12:57:33 AM
Technology doesn't count for very much when you're taking an acid bath.
Man's right. Marines in
Aliens, anyone?
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2010, 12:57:33 AM
Technology doesn't count for very much when you're taking an acid bath.
Long distance attacks is what prevents that.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jul 06, 2010, 01:01:34 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2010, 12:57:33 AM
Technology doesn't count for very much when you're taking an acid bath.
Man's right. Marines in Aliens, anyone?
The Marines in Aliens are not like Predators but I see what you mean.
Assuming you can maintain that long range.
It's all fun and games till someone has their flesh corroded off.
That's if the Predator gets fatally wounded by the acid. They won't always be in a spot where the acid is going to drench them completely. Wolf got sprayed in the head and he's still kicking ass.
Thought he was dead...?
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 06, 2010, 12:55:57 AM
So Predators win because they have the upper hand with their technology which wouldn't be provided without their level of intelligence.
in AvP the first two predators got killed by the same Alien in less than 10 minutes they didnt have the shoulder cannon but they had their wristblades and such
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2010, 01:10:22 AM
Thought he was dead...?
I think he died with the Predalien
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 05, 2010, 11:21:33 PM
Quote from: williammcnasty#awesome92 on Jul 05, 2010, 11:14:42 PM
-stronger than the aliens (i mean i dont think we ever saw an alien pick up a pred and through it or pick up a man with one hand)
aliens r so cool the design, their mthods everything but the preds alone r a stronger but the aliens have numbers if there was a thousand preds with no weapons theyd still win
That I disagree with. Not only have we seen an Alien pick up a Predator, we've seen them bash down steel bulkheads, a feat of strength that I have yet to see a Predator come close to matching.
And if the Pred has no weapons, he's essentially f**ked, barring the convenient placement of a nearby airlock or vat of molten lead paired with water. ;D
I know they might not be silimair to bulkheads,but we do see glimpses of maybe a pred in predators smacking an iron door down,we sall just have to wait and see :)
Quote from: Bevo2506 on Jul 06, 2010, 03:03:47 AM
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 06, 2010, 12:55:57 AM
So Predators win because they have the upper hand with their technology which wouldn't be provided without their level of intelligence.
in AvP the first two predators got killed by the same Alien in less than 10 minutes they didnt have the shoulder cannon but they had their wristblades and such
And if they were so damn smart, they wouldn't have not paid attention to their surroundings or become cocky.
You cannot go up against the structurally most perfect, most lethal, living organism in known existence.
In space, for some odd reason, they cannot be killed, period.
The reason the Resurrection aliens were able to be killed as their Human DNA. As seen in ALIEN, the original, they through everything they had at that thing (including blasting the damn thing with jets powerful enough to send a ship flying all the way through space) and its body was still INTACT.
Seriously, no matter if you're the goddamn Master Chief or the goddamn Batman, you are NOT killing this f**king thing if it is in space.
(Hell, even SUPERMAN needs sunlight to function properly, he would die as well.)
QuoteThe reason the Resurrection aliens were able to be killed as their Human DNA.
What about the Hadley ones that got shot?
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2010, 05:49:16 AM
QuoteThe reason the Resurrection aliens were able to be killed as their Human DNA.
What about the Hadley ones that got shot?
Once again, they weren't off world.
What has that got to do with anything?
The Auriga ones weren't in space. They were on a spaceship that would've had a similar atmospheric pressure to the planet based colony.
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2010, 05:54:58 AM
What has that got to do with anything?
The Auriga ones weren't in space. They were on a spaceship that would've had a similar atmospheric pressure to the planet based colony.
I think it has something to do with a Planet's core or electromagnetic field, I think it somehow weakens the Aliens.
I'm sure 157 colonist and a bunch of prisoners agree wholeheartedly...
There's weird theories and then there's weird theories...
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2010, 05:59:35 AM
I'm sure 157 colonist and a bunch of prisoners agree wholeheartedly...
There's weird theories and then there's weird theories...
Wait, were you agreeing with me? O.o
Not in the slightest.
I didn't mean it weakens them to the point where they're crawling on their hands and knees, I mean, in ALIEN it took jet engines on full blast to probably just blast it into space, as it is seen fully intact (probably sploded but it is never inferred), and so far any other time they've been on a planet, or genetically tampered with. And any other time, simple rifle rounds can kill them. -shrugs-
The one on Fiorina had ten tonnes of hot lead dumped on it.
The Auriga ones just got annoyed when blasted by liquid nitrogen.
Not sure what you'd be basing the planet vs. space thing on?
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2010, 06:16:28 AM
The one on Fiorina had ten tonnes of hot lead dumped on it.
The Auriga ones just got annoyed when blasted by liquid nitrogen.
Not sure what you'd be basing the planet vs. space thing on?
Ten tons of liquid is not that heavy. And of course they only got annoyed, Aliens are very resilient to extreme temperatures. What I'm basing it off, is the one in ALIEN was so much more powerful than its other brethren, curiously, all of the other encounters have been on some kind of planet, and all of those have been so far inferior, and able to be dispatched with much less of a struggle.
QuoteTen tons of liquid is not that heavy.
Ten tonnes is ten tonnes, whether it's liquid or anything else. Grant not all of it fell straight on the Alien, but it was still well over 300 degree centigrade.
As for the Alien in the first one being "so much more powerful" - it never got shot at by anything other than a harpoon gun. Compare apples with apples.
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2010, 06:32:00 AM
QuoteTen tons of liquid is not that heavy.
Ten tonnes is ten tonnes, whether it's liquid or anything else. Grant not all of it fell straight on the Alien, but it was still well over 300 degree centigrade.
As for the Alien in the first one being "so much more powerful" - it never got shot at by anything other than a harpoon gun. Compare apples with apples.
Still she blasted it at the end. And ten tons of marbles is much different than ten tons of concrete. They would both hurt like hell, but ultimately the latter would hurt worse =P
And I am sure those jet engines make 300 degree centigrade look like nothing more than a goddamn toaster, rofl.
Who cares? It survived the molten lead too. Not only that - it leapt out of it, indicating it could swim through something several hundred times hotter and ten times denser than water.
The Aliens are great to watch due to there killer moves. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Very quick and the best of all they can move on any anything. :) :)
Everything the Aliens do always results to one thing BLOOD, GORE AND GUTS. 8) 8) 8)
I've always loved the Aliens. :) :) :) :) :)
You don't, I do. @Lordprobe: Too many smilies.
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2010, 01:10:22 AM
Thought he was dead...?
Well I mean before the nuke blew everyone up.. but that's besides the point.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 06, 2010, 03:44:49 AM
Quote from: Bevo2506 on Jul 06, 2010, 03:03:47 AM
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 06, 2010, 12:55:57 AM
So Predators win because they have the upper hand with their technology which wouldn't be provided without their level of intelligence.
in AvP the first two predators got killed by the same Alien in less than 10 minutes they didnt have the shoulder cannon but they had their wristblades and such
And if they were so damn smart, they wouldn't have not paid attention to their surroundings or become cocky.
I really hate to use AvP as a scape goat, but come on. Those Predators were terrible excuses for Predators.
They certainly looked bad. But most of their actions kept in line with - actually no, fu#k it, I'm not getting into this again.
Walk away TJ ;)
Oh, I'm long gone.
lol.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jul 06, 2010, 03:11:41 PM
They certainly looked bad. But most of their actions kept in line with - actually no, fu#k it, I'm not getting into this again.
Don't you turn your back on me!!
*fwoooooooooooooom*
Did you just use Force Speed?
Run, TJ! Run while you still can!
I can't outrun Force Speed!
You have to try! I'll distract him!
Look! Doom! Over here! *waves arms*
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jul 06, 2010, 10:08:13 PM
Did you just use Force Speed?
Nah, it was reference to the same line in AvP.
Force speed plus MacGyvered flame thrower.
Oh yeah. Urm... grr, rawr.
*stabs Doom; shoves him down stairs*
hurr
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The avatars are so appropriate :D
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jul 06, 2010, 03:11:41 PM
They certainly looked bad. But most of their actions kept in line with - actually no, fu#k it, I'm not getting into this again.
No go ahead. I actually would like to hear this.
If he does he'll get angry. And you wouldn't like him when he's angry.
My monitor will protect me. ;D
No, I'm not bothering. The last time I tried to present my own views on the Predator race, I dug a hole for myself that was so damn deep, it meant SpaceMarines had to climb down and get me using makeshift tools mainly consisting of maple syrup and some kind of hardened red substance.
Never. Again.
Good man. ;)
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jul 07, 2010, 06:36:48 PM
No, I'm not bothering. The last time I tried to present my own views on the Predator race, I dug a hole for myself that was so damn deep, it meant SpaceMarines had to climb down and get me using makeshift tools mainly consisting of maple syrup and some kind of hardened red substance.
Never. Again.
I'll always have your back, TJ. Except next month. Then I won't have you back.
Ffffuuuu...
Can I have your back? I almost have a mullet.
Alright, but you'll have to wear a helmet.
You walked right into this one.
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Anyway, i will give five reason why i like both species equally
Aliens
Design
Mystery
Disturbing Birth Methods
Tongues that Will Eat Your Face
Variety of Types
Predators
Design
Weapons
Mimicking Ability
Hunting Methods
Death Before Shame Mentality
Predator is badass
Alien is scary.
Predator. their roar is simply godly and they are the supreme being, they capture both aliens and humans for there sport. everything else is just game. 8)
They like to fight aliens and humans because there is a chance, a 50/50 chance, that they will lose
If they could win every time, a predator would not bother.
The roar is pretty kickass.
i dont think those are the odds really but they're still the Predators game.
i love the mystery, design and methods of the aliens, i also love the predators too, but i perfer aliens
his is what i love about the avp world. Im a big pred lover,but at the same time i can agree when aliens are better.Especially in the games,its great being an alien,but i like the challenge of a predator.
Gotta go with Predators. I love how they are almost like humans in the sense of hunting for sport and have their own home planet. They also look cool and have killer weapons ;D
Predators, simply they are smart.. they have different skills weapons... ranks.. they use the aliens... they are far supperior..
i love both.. alien and predators but i like more the predators.. now if you answer me what i like more the predators or the terminators that would be difficult... ;D
I think aliens r cool because they don't have honor, no rules, and they can do a nut shot without being facepalmed by another predator. lol. plus they can rip out ur chest bieng a little alien. I also think predators r cool too but aliens more.
Predators are the best because they don't just attack you like a mad man. they actually strategize... Oh yeah, and their badass
True but aliens can still kill a predator even though that predator has all the weapons and gears. Like in avp one alien took out 2 predators. I think the only time when predators can actually kill aliens is when they have their shoulder cannon. ::)
Or when they are really lucky in close/medium range. :P
exactly
The Predators for me. They were one of the first things i was introduced to when i was born. They've always been the most spectacular thing to me. I am a Yautja at heart, and soul..they live through me as do i through them..
Long live the Predators.
you must be an Aztec :P
Ha
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 20, 2010, 01:53:18 AM
The Predators for me. They were one of the first things i was introduced to when i was born. They've always been the most spectacular thing to me. I am a Yautja at heart, and soul..they live through me as do i through them..
Long live the Predators.
Still I take your skull, and you know why :P
Quote from: JP9667 on Jul 16, 2010, 08:48:30 PM
I think aliens r cool because they don't have honor, no rules, and they can do a nut shot without being facepalmed by another predator. lol. plus they can rip out ur chest bieng a little alien. I also think predators r cool too but aliens more.
With this said you assume honor, which is not kind of precise I think. And how does rules restrict predators in fight. They won't pick prey which is not strong enough for them... but rules do nothing in their fight to the death, they stay formidable (and superior :P) just like that. Okay, maybe a bit too much :D :D
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jul 20, 2010, 07:57:38 AM
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 20, 2010, 01:53:18 AM
The Predators for me. They were one of the first things i was introduced to when i was born. They've always been the most spectacular thing to me. I am a Yautja at heart, and soul..they live through me as do i through them..
Long live the Predators.
Still I take your skull, and you know why :P
You can have my skull. When you get your own back from my Trophy Wall.
Most definitly, the alien. Yeah Predators have long range weapons and the like, but that kinda makes it, against a marine difficult. As you have seen throughout the movies with Predators in them, what happens? Almost everyone dies besides 1 or 2. And in the meantime there like "Dude wtf is goin on round here?" Not the aliens. They silently drag their victims down a hallway or vent. Or they just headbite them. Aliens are also fast and agile. They blend in the the dark. Not the predators they have to rely on their cloaking device. And the aliens get a couple kills before everyone starts to notice or they make one big messy one! Also predators rely too much on their "honor" code. If the person they see dosent have a weapon, 10 minutes later he'll come back with a shotty along with some of his military freinds. Aliens are aggresive and also have cool designs to them, plus i beleive they have a really cool lifecycle. Predaliens are stronger than normal aliens and predators. The Praetorin is probably the second strongest and the queen the first. Just dont bring those aliens up to Sigourney Weaver though.
Predator - the name says it all.
Quote from: JP9667 on Jul 19, 2010, 10:01:29 PM
True but aliens can still kill a predator even though that predator has all the weapons and gears. Like in avp one alien took out 2 predators. I think the only time when predators can actually kill aliens is when they have their shoulder cannon. ::)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 19, 2010, 10:02:42 PM
Or when they are really lucky in close/medium range. :P
So there's my point. aliens are superior if the predators dont have shoulder cannons becuse they are awesome. plus predators cant see them without their masks.
Score: Aliens=3 Predators=2 ;D
Your arguments totally fall out... it's like me saying "Well Predators have formed a civilisation and discovered light speed & plasma usage... Aliens just live in a Hive and shit"
see how ridiculous that sounds? Yeah that's how your argument sounds to me.
Okay, let me put it in a way you can you can understand it. THE PREDATOR IS WEAK WITHOUT HIS SHOULDER CANNON AGAINST AN ALIEN. WITHOUT A SHOULDER CANNON HE IS SCREWED AGAINST AN ALIEN UNLESS THERE IS ANOTHER PREDATOR TO HELP. When did scar start killing aliens? WHEN HE GOT THE SHOULDER CANNON. It's pretty simple. Predators are screwed once it comes to close combat. They require range to kill one. ::)
Shouting in all caps just makes you look like a dickhead.
Especially when, if the films are anything to go by, that Predator held his own against the Alien with his hand to hand weapons. He wasn't "WEAK" nor automatically "SCREWED".
Sry, just trying to make a point with the caps but it is true that the predators can't really win a fight in close combat against the aliens
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 20, 2010, 03:41:32 PM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jul 20, 2010, 07:57:38 AM
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 20, 2010, 01:53:18 AM
The Predators for me. They were one of the first things i was introduced to when i was born. They've always been the most spectacular thing to me. I am a Yautja at heart, and soul..they live through me as do i through them..
Long live the Predators.
Still I take your skull, and you know why :P
You can have my skull. When you get your own back from my Trophy Wall.
Oh, I see you didn't get it. Well, okay...
My skull stays where it is. You can't take it. But you have my condolences.
Quote from: JP9667 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:00:37 AM
Okay, let me put it in a way you can you can understand it. THE PREDATOR IS WEAK WITHOUT HIS SHOULDER CANNON AGAINST AN ALIEN. WITHOUT A SHOULDER CANNON HE IS SCREWED AGAINST AN ALIEN UNLESS THERE IS ANOTHER PREDATOR TO HELP. When did scar start killing aliens? WHEN HE GOT THE SHOULDER CANNON. It's pretty simple. Predators are screwed once it comes to close combat. They require range to kill one. ::)
He killed one with the shuriken. Oh, and Celtic pretty much fought Grid well. Oh, and Alexa killed an alien. With a spear.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jul 21, 2010, 05:45:16 AM
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 20, 2010, 03:41:32 PM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jul 20, 2010, 07:57:38 AM
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 20, 2010, 01:53:18 AM
The Predators for me. They were one of the first things i was introduced to when i was born. They've always been the most spectacular thing to me. I am a Yautja at heart, and soul..they live through me as do i through them..
Long live the Predators.
Still I take your skull, and you know why :P
You can have my skull. When you get your own back from my Trophy Wall.
Oh, I see you didn't get it. Well, okay...
My skull stays where it is. You can't take it. But you have my condolences.
Yeah, i didn't get it. Thats why i said that. I had, and still have no idea what you were talking about. Lol.
Quote from: JP9667 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:28:27 AM
Sry, just trying to make a point with the caps but it is true that the predators can't really win a fight in close combat against the aliens
No its not. The predator in AvP (Celtic? I hate these names) technically defeated the alien. The only reason the alien won was because of acid. He had it beat with hand to hand, and if he hadn't gloated he would have won.
Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 02:22:03 PM
The only reason the alien won was because of acid.
Which is part of its phisiology and thus an advantage for him.
True, but I mean, the predator had it beat and in an extremely vulnerable position. One quick lunge and stab would have done it at that point. But he mosies on over. I guess you could chalk that up to inexperience really. :-\
Or the general Predator cockyness that also got the first 2 Predators.
That seems to be their only fault, really. They gloat to much and like to savour the victory, in which time its victim usually produces the killing blow.
Besides anyway, he had to get close because the dagger ain't exactly a good throwing weapon.
It should also be noted that if Celtic counts as winning due to a gimmick or trick, then the same should apply to Grid. That net basically came out of nowhere; if it hadn't been for that, Celtic would've been caught under Grid again with no wristblades to save him.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 21, 2010, 02:31:50 PM
It should also be noted that if Celtic counts as winning due to a gimmick or trick, then the same should apply to Grid. That net basically came out of nowhere; if it hadn't been for that, Celtic would've been caught under Grid again with no wristblades to save him.
Not really. He had time to both fire AND get out of the way. Without firing, he would then have had more time to move out of the way.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 02:29:09 PM
Besides anyway, he had to get close because the dagger ain't exactly a good throwing weapon.
Still, he took his sweet bloody time to get over there. I think a little bit quicker and BAM! stabbed in the head.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 21, 2010, 02:31:50 PM
It should also be noted that if Celtic counts as winning due to a gimmick or trick, then the same should apply to Grid. That net basically came out of nowhere; if it hadn't been for that, Celtic would've been caught under Grid again with no wristblades to save him.
Lol. Celtic won the battle before he even netted Grid. How can a Predator swing an alien by his foot, bashing his head through 2 feet of solid stone and have his head not shatter? But then Alexa shoots it with that little nail-gun thingy and, Pow. Seriously.
Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 02:35:59 PM
Not really. He had time to both fire AND get out of the way. Without firing, he would then have had more time to move out of the way.
Celtic's number was up, no matter how you slice it.
Except for the net, all he had left was his dagger against a slightly-wounded Alien.
Netting Grid and then finishing him with the dagger was the best Celtic could've hoped for.
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 21, 2010, 02:38:09 PM
Lol. Celtic won the battle before he even netted Grid. How can a Predator swing an alien by his foot, bashing his head through 2 feet of solid stone and have his head not shatter? But then Alexa shoots it with that little nail-gun thingy and, Pow. Seriously.
'Cause Aliens are super tough.
Watch the
Alien films in their own context without comparison to anything else and you'll understand.
QuoteCeltic's number was up, no matter how you slice it.
Except for the net, all he had left was his dagger against a slightly-wounded Alien.
Netting Grid and then finishing him with the dagger was the best Celtic could've hoped for.
I don't see how his number was up. He wasn't wounded in the slightest, and the Alien was. He had a dagger which he could easily have stabbed into the Alien several times. The alien no longer had its sharp tail to stab him with, so that's one less weapon it has. I mean, if it comes in close to him he's got the knife. He wasn't finished.
Quote
'Cause Aliens are super tough.
Watch the Alien films in their own context without comparison to anything else and you'll understand.
And against isolated instances of penetration (like a bullet or a knife), Predators are tougher.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 21, 2010, 02:39:36 PM
Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 02:35:59 PM
Not really. He had time to both fire AND get out of the way. Without firing, he would then have had more time to move out of the way.
Celtic's number was up, no matter how you slice it.
Except for the net, all he had left was his dagger against a slightly-wounded Alien.
Netting Grid and then finishing him with the dagger was the best Celtic could've hoped for.
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 21, 2010, 02:38:09 PM
Lol. Celtic won the battle before he even netted Grid. How can a Predator swing an alien by his foot, bashing his head through 2 feet of solid stone and have his head not shatter? But then Alexa shoots it with that little nail-gun thingy and, Pow. Seriously.
'Cause Aliens are super tough.
Watch the Alien films in their own context without comparison to anything else and you'll understand.
Yeah, they're tough. Not that tough though. I've seen all the Alien films and i understand that if an 8 foot tall super-human beast throws an aliens head through a 2 foot solid stone wall, while bumping other parts too, It's head would burst. Oh, and then he just tackles him through the solid stone wall, and, of course. Nothing happens. Don't tell me "you'll understand" I've had it figured out for a while now.
Hey, what do you pretend, a lot of bullets bounced off them in Aliens and the Runner survived a ton of molten lead upon it. They are pretty resistant indeed, I bet a stone wall ain't something dangerous for them.
The bullets that bounced off them in Aliens were small arms fire from a pistol. However, the molten lead thing...that's mainly heat and pressure resistance spread over the entire body. Aliens are good at that resistance, making them extremely hard to kill without a gun. Throwing them through a several foot thick stone pillar is quite concussive, but given what the aliens have been able to survive (i.e the molten lead thing) I can buy that it survived that...
Thing is that Aliens are stronger than Predators and have natural weapons left without their tail.
In the Alien films themselves, the tail was only used as a weapon by the Queen. And Spike only used it for parrying.
Everything we've seen makes it clear that they use the inner jaw for the killing blow and hold their prey in place in order to land it.
CQC combat is the Alien's game. A Predator with just a knife shouldn't get their hopes up. I daresay even the Brothers Strauss would have a Predator die against an Alien in that situation.
The Predator has superior strength to an Alien and is larger. The Alien films rarely show the alien fighting in close quarters: usually it grabs people and they're too scared to move. No one ever even tries to escape when that happens. The only instance we see of an Alien actually fighting a human in CQC is in Alien 3 vs. Dillon (spelling?). And Dillon survives for a long time, getting his face scratched slowly away. That doesn't seem like a very good CQC fighter. The original predator fought Dutch, a man several time Dillons' physical superior, in CQC, and absolutely destroyed him. He didn't even look as if he was trying! The hunter was nonchalantly throwing blows at Dutch so as to inflict maximum pain and enjoy the victory. If he had been putting 100% brutal force and effort in, with unrelenting blows, Dutch would have been dead VERY quickly.
What can be concluded from this? The predator is 1) larger (i.e taller and heavier), and 2) stronger (the alien tail is pretty strong, though...but arms and legs on a predator are definitely stronger). And if the xenomorph tries to headbite him, it would have to get in close, which the predators' superior strength could easily remedy.
Yet, in Alien 3, we witness the Alien bounding up walls at blinding speeds with one arm, using the other to carry their host up shafts. It also leaps out of ten tons of molten lead at high speed. That is ridiculous strength. A Predator could not do those things.
Also, the whole breaking down steel doors thing. One can do it.
Note that the lead chamber was a very confined space as well. It wouldn't have had the room it would usually have to neutralise prey.
I think we should also note that the Aliens never lost a hand-to-hand engagement in their own films.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 02:48:59 PM
Hey, what do you pretend, a lot of bullets bounced off them in Aliens and the Runner survived a ton of molten lead upon it. They are pretty resistant indeed, I bet a stone wall ain't something dangerous for them.
The Molten Lead could have had a different affect because they are, well, aliens. Vasquez did destroy a Warrior's face with a pistol, yeah she was close to him but still. Now a Rage-filled big ass predator grabs a VERY slender creature, with a big head, by his foot. Then swings him around in circles all while his head is bashing through a 2 foot STONE WALL.. Thats got to be worse than a few up close pistol shots. Then theres the tackling through a wall. Even if it didn't kill the alien (WHICH IM PRETTY SURE IT WOULD), there has got to be some kind of severe damage to him.
QuoteYet, in Alien 3, we witness the Alien bounding up walls at blinding speeds with one arm, using the other to carry their host up shafts. It also leaps out of ten tons of molten lead at high speed. That is ridiculous strength. A Predator could not do those things.
Also, the whole breaking down steel doors thing. One can do it.
Note that the lead chamber was a very confined space as well. It wouldn't have had the room it would usually have to neutralise prey.
A predator climbs up trees and poles with far larger (heavier) people to hang them by their feet. The people the predator hunts are, I guarantee you, heavier (because they're far stronger) than anybody the alien deals with. So that point is moot. Also, the build of the alien allows it to swim better than a predator. I bet they swim like an alligator, using they're tail to propel them up and out of the water to incredible height (sharks do this too). So the tail is probably the strongest part of the alien. Also, the steel door thing doesn't really denote strength, just weight. A fat guy could break down a door if he ran at it with his massive weight.
All I can say is, the alien is rarely in hand to hand fights. It always grabs people and they're too scared to do anything about it.
We tend to see Predators dragging their slain enemies, though. Aliens just lift 'em up and they're gone. Hell, in the first two films, Aliens grab prey and just descend directly upwards without a hitch. Either they have insane strength or can fly. Your call.
I have no idea how Kanes son did it...probably with the chains, but who knows. In Aliens, they probably use a combination of the tail and hind legs, because (in both instances) both "hands" are occupied with grabbing prey. If they mainly used the tail, that would indicate an extremely strong tail, thus fitting in to my theory on how the Alien 3 alien managed to escape at such speeds from the lead. If this is true, then, as I said, its the tail that's doing all the heavy lifting. This is backed up in AvP when the tail solely lifts up the predator after stabbing it. Eliminate the tail, and really...
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 21, 2010, 03:24:57 PM
The Molten Lead could have had a different affect because they are, well, aliens.
*Shrugs* Phisics are always phisics, no matter how you put it.
And if the tail is that strong, what makes you think the rest of the body is any weaker, considering the conceptual basis of the Alien?
That's like me saying that we only have proof that a Predator's right arm is strong and that their left arms have less dense muscles. It's quite a leap to justify an argument.
The thing is, we never see the alien do anything with its arms, really. All the heavy lifting, if my hypothesis is correct, is done with the tail.
And we see the predator do heavy lifting with both arms, so your thought concept is unfounded.
In Aliens, one of them lifts Dietrich with an arm. Another violently pulls down Hudson with an arm. In Alien3 the Runner Alien lifts up a guy with both arms bringing him to the air ducts.
We also see an Alien open the doors of an APC with it's bare hands. I don't imagine they were designed to be easily pulled apart once in motion.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 04:15:47 PM
In Aliens, one of them lifts Dietrich with an arm. Another violently pulls down Hudson with an arm. In Alien3 the Runner Alien lifts up a guy with both arms bringing him to the air ducts.
I'll attack those in order:
1) While its tail and hind legs were attached to the hive wall.
2) Not necessarily with one arm. Besides, it pulled him down. If I took the footing out from underneath the great Khali, I could yank him down. Gravity is a wondrous thing.
3) Again, without the tail and legs to secure itself and pull it back up into the duct once it grabbed Superintendent Andrews, it would have been screwed.
QuoteWe also see an Alien open the doors of an APC with it's bare hands. I don't imagine they were designed to be easily pulled apart once in motion.
It doesn't pull it apart, just stops the motion. And they weren't moving very fast, the doors.
Its all in the tail and/or hind legs. (probably tail: we see it swimming with the tail in A:R (just remembered), and with it it managed to propel itself many feet out of the water).
Thing is, you're going to lengths to disprove the strength of a creature that's meant to be as strong as hell on a conceptual level.
Another example:
In Alien, holding itself at the door of the Narcissus whilst the vacuum of space was pulling at it. Its tail was dangling outside the ship, so it was keeping itself stable with its arms and legs. Don't say you could do that, 'cause you couldn't.
Queeny ripped Bishop in two with her hands. Fair enough, that ain't your average Alien but it show's they have power in their arms.
It uses its tail to drag itself into the thruster.
http://movieclips.com/watch/alien-1979/ripleys-last-stand/
Watch.
Yeah, but it has already been shown that a queen beats a predator (with a bt of difficulty I might add).Howeber,I'm not stupid enough not to concede that. But a regular (drone? Warrior? hate those names...) could not.
I am pretty sure that if an Alien can rip through steel, it'd have no issues ripping a Predator apart at close quarters, especially considering their fast movement and lightning reactions.
Difficulty caused by some annoying girl... :P if Lex hadn't stabbed the Queen she would have impaled Scar to death.
MadAlex is referring to when the Alien is on the door of the Ship - being drained by the vacuum, it sustains itself using only arms and legs.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 04:39:44 PM
Difficulty caused by some annoying girl... :P if Lex hadn't stabbed the Queen she would have impaled Scar to death.
It did impale scar to death...and scar also stabbed it through the frican head and did loads of damage with several strikes from a shuriken.
QuoteMadAlex is referring to when the Alien is on the door of the Ship - being drained by the vacuum, it sustains itself using only arms and legs.
Ah. That is pretty strong. About as strong as Ripleys' seat belt.
QuoteI am pretty sure that if an Alien can rip through steel, it'd have no issues ripping a Predator apart at close quarters, especially considering their fast movement and lightning reactions.
I'm having trouble remembering them "ripping" through steel. Maybe banging through because of putting their entire body strength behind it. And it depends which steel door you're talking about: it seemed to only be able to get through a thin steel door in
Alienss, while the thick ones wthstood the barrage (i.e "they're at the blast doors...they've stopped. Maybe they've found another way in").
Ripley's seat belt was secured by a steel buckle. I daresay such belts would also be designed with the vacuum of space in mind, being a tad stronger than what you'd find in a car.
As for the doors, a lot of them were secured, welded and turned into barricades. The Aliens otherwise put massive dents in (and ultimately destroyed) the medical doors. They were at least a few inches thick. If something that break through inches of steel, it can break through enough Predator to hit major internal organs.
Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 04:44:48 PM
It did impale scar to death...and scar also stabbed it through the frican head and did loads of damage with several strikes from a shuriken.
Ok, let's rewind it all. Queen emerges from the ground. Scar LOLfaces and does some cool tricks with the shuriken. Queen gets pissed and violently tailwhips him, sending him far to the ground. Before he can stand up, she quickly does another tailwhip, sending once again the Predator to the ground.
In this precise moment, the Queen is about to impale the Predator to death, but Lex comes saving the day.
Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 04:44:48 PM
Ah. That is pretty strong. About as strong as Ripleys' seat belt.
It's vacuum of space. It's obvious that the seat belt or whatever held Ripley was designed to resist.
On this, ninja'd again. :P
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 21, 2010, 04:28:26 PM
Thing is, you're going to lengths to disprove the strength of a creature that's meant to be as strong as hell on a conceptual level.
Another example:
In Alien, holding itself at the door of the Narcissus whilst the vacuum of space was pulling at it. Its tail was dangling outside the ship, so it was keeping itself stable with its arms and legs. Don't say you could do that, 'cause you couldn't.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Ripley not do the same in Aliens? I believe she also had a queen holding on to her Reeboks. She also managed to climb up the ladder too, right?
I guess a xenomorph isn't as strong as Ripley then, seeing as she manages to withstand the vacuum of space in
Aliens. Shame, I didn't think Ripley was as strong as Dutch, which the predator clearly overpowers. Hmmmm....
QuoteAs for the doors, a lot of them were secured, welded and turned into barricades. The Aliens otherwise put massive dents in (and ultimately destroyed) the medical doors. They were at least a few inches thick. If something that break through inches of steel, it can break through enough Predator to hit major internal organs.
First of all, we don't know if its 1 alien or many. I'm guessing many, but I can't be sure. Second, I am also guessing they're putting they're full weight behind it, like a body check (judging by the fact that the damage is over a large area in one hit, meaning that either its a lot of xenos banging with their fists, or its a full weight attack). I don't think a body check will be breaking through much predator anytime soon like a drill would, or something along those lines.
Next.
It was one. There is one clear bulge on the door while it is being attacked, and it is caused likely by a single alien.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 21, 2010, 04:59:40 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Ripley not do the same in Aliens? I believe she also had a queen holding on to her Reeboks. She also managed to climb up the ladder too, right?
From my first viewing I thought Ripley's arm should've snapped, even without the vacuum of space. If the Queen can rip apart a synthetic, Ripley sure as hell ain't got the resilience.
Ok, so now you are discrediting what is shown in the films to help your argument...lovely.
It's a bit of a goof, like the size of LV-426 in Alien. We accept it for the sake of the story, but it doesn't really make any sense. Ripley just had hardcore plot armour for a moment there.
Oh my god. I can't take this weaving in and out of the film universe (Alien universe and Predator universe) and our universe. Lets stick to one. In the Alien universe, Ripley is strong enough to withstand the vacuum of space, even though she isn't very strong at all. Therefore, if an alien can't do it, it's not as strong as Ripley, and therefore not as strong as a predator (who defeated a man who could lift a 400 pound + log in a test of strength.).
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That's silly.
It also implies that Ripley is more resilient than a Queen.
Are we to assume that Ripley could take grenades to her vagina and keep walking long enough to tear a synthetic to pieces?
The queen was hanging on by what, three fingers? Ripley was hanging on by one arm wrapped around a polem whereas Kanes son was hanging on by both hands and his feet. Plus, Ripley was kicking her leg, making it all the more difficult for the queen to hold on.
Also, the ovipositor is hardly the vagina...its more like...the vacuum that help in abortion. ;D
However, we can assume that predators can take grenades that land right beside them...which actually happens. And 5 grenades at once.
Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 03:12:39 PM
What can be concluded from this? The predator is 1) larger (i.e taller and heavier), and 2) stronger (the alien tail is pretty strong, though...but arms and legs on a predator are definitely stronger). And if the xenomorph tries to headbite him, it would have to get in close, which the predators' superior strength could easily remedy.
1. Predator: Seven feet. Alien: Eight feet. Personally, I believe the Alien to weigh a considerable amount, due to two skeletons, its size, and whatever innards it has as opposed to the Predator, who has more muscle bulk but lacks an armored exoskeleton.
2. Wrong. Simply wrong. The Predator has had a log dropped on his head from just above him and died. The Alien has had twenty tons of molten lead dropped on it only to leap out with ease. That alone should show you that the Alien has ridiculous amounts of strength. The Alien is stronger, faster, and larger than the Predator; in CQC, the Predator is pretty much finished, unless it can get away or if the Alien is wounded. Not to mention the Alien would spray highly pressurized acid blood all over the Predator at first punctuation of the exoskeleton.
They can spit a weaker (but always effective) acid as shown in A3 and A:R.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jul 21, 2010, 05:29:28 PM
Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 21, 2010, 03:12:39 PM
What can be concluded from this? The predator is 1) larger (i.e taller and heavier), and 2) stronger (the alien tail is pretty strong, though...but arms and legs on a predator are definitely stronger). And if the xenomorph tries to headbite him, it would have to get in close, which the predators' superior strength could easily remedy.
1. Predator: Seven feet. Alien: Eight feet. Personally, I believe the Alien to weigh a considerable amount, due to two skeletons, its size, and whatever innards it has as opposed to the Predator, who has more muscle bulk but lacks an armored exoskeleton.
2. Wrong. Simply wrong. The Predator has had a log dropped on his head from just above him and died. The Alien has had twenty tons of molten lead dropped on it only to leap out with ease. That alone should show you that the Alien has ridiculous amounts of strength. The Alien is stronger, faster, and larger than the Predator; in CQC, the Predator is pretty much finished, unless it can get away or if the Alien is wounded. Not to mention the Alien would spray highly pressurized acid blood all over the Predator at first punctuation of the exoskeleton.
1. Predator weighs more. You can't begin to argue this, its impossible for you to win.
2. The log was WELL above him (at least 6 feet). It weighed several hundred pounds (given the length and thickness), and in case you forgot it didn't die. It even was able to muster a laugh, something you DON'T DO WHEN YOU'RE DEAD!!! The predators have already been shown to have acid proof equipment, so that's neautralized (which also brings up the case of smarts: predators are smarter). Also, its ten tonnes (rewatch Alien 3), and not all of the weight is immediately transferred to the alien. And AvP showed that the pred is clearly capable of beating the alien in CQC.
Aliens could weigh more.
It ain't impossible at all. 'Specially since the laws of physics tend to apply very loosely to Aliens.
What laws of physics don't apply to them?
Aliens crawled on the EEV (truck in Aliens) and made no dents, a predator climbs on 3 trucks and the roofs cave in. Aliens climb on a miltary vehicle and the roof doesn't cave in.
On the other hand, Aliens wallcrawl without causing damage to their surroundings, despite being heavy enough to break stone when thrown.
See, thats because of physics. I can easily place an anvil on hard wood flooring, but when I throw it at the flooring its damaged.
Yes, but the subversion is in comparison. They can crawl on walls without making a sound or leaving any mark whatsoever, yet have enough weigh to demolish stone.
That's pretty nuts.
Not that I'm arguing that Aliens are definitely very heavy. The point is that nothing can be ruled out.
Or enough force behind them being swung to demolish stone.
Dang, i went away to watch A:R and you guys are still fighting.. BTW. Has anyone cried when the Newborn gets sucked up? I cried..for the first time..
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 21, 2010, 05:57:04 PM
Yes, but the subversion is in comparison. They can crawl on walls without making a sound or leaving any mark whatsoever, yet have enough weigh to demolish stone.
That's pretty nuts.
Not that I'm arguing that Aliens are definitely very heavy. The point is that nothing can be ruled out.
The gecos (a small lizard) can do the same. They can crawl without leaving any marks
And about the alien weigh , what lead you to think the alien weigh so much (i'm not against the fact you consider the xeno as heavy, but i'm curious how you came to think this "
I cheered...for the...always.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jul 21, 2010, 06:12:34 PM
The gecos (a small lizard) can do the same. They can crawl without leaving any marks
Except that, you know, Geckos have a lenght of variable centimetres while the Aliens are almost 2 meters long, and this without counting the tail.
Predators for me.
They have always reminded me of Samurai; honor system/code, use blades extensively (with a few exceptions), and preform Seppuku (killing themselves when dishonored)...only they also blow everything near them up when doing so...
And they just look cool.
Wasn't nearly everyone in the first film an exception to the blade thing? Blain, Weathers, Bill Duke, Hawkins - and didn't he take a few pot shots at Arnie too?
Quote from: SM on Jul 22, 2010, 01:29:43 AM
Wasn't nearly everyone in the first film an exception to the blade thing? Blain, Weathers, Bill Duke, Hawkins - and didn't he take a few pot shots at Arnie too?
True, but the wrist blade is their (main) weapon of choice. They always have one, and it is (usually) their primary weapon for one on one fights. I'm talking about the later films, the first Predator movie uses the Plasma Caster as the primary, with the blades being the silent/stealthy alternative.
Anyway, I've always loved the wrist blades, they're just so cool.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Jul 21, 2010, 06:12:34 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 21, 2010, 05:57:04 PM
Yes, but the subversion is in comparison. They can crawl on walls without making a sound or leaving any mark whatsoever, yet have enough weigh to demolish stone.
That's pretty nuts.
Not that I'm arguing that Aliens are definitely very heavy. The point is that nothing can be ruled out.
The gecos (a small lizard) can do the same. They can crawl without leaving any marks
And about the alien weigh , what lead you to think the alien weigh so much (i'm not against the fact you consider the xeno as heavy, but i'm curious how you came to think this "
The Alien has two skeletons and is considerably larger than a large human, as well as being somewhat larger than a Predator (not in muscle mass).
The don't have two skeletons.
Maybe.
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It was more obligatory maybe than exoendo maybe.
Quote from: thatdoomguy666 on Jul 22, 2010, 01:07:33 AM
Predators for me.
They have always reminded me of Samurai; honor system/code, use blades extensively (with a few exceptions), and preform Seppuku (killing themselves when dishonored)...only they also blow everything near them up when doing so...
And they just look cool.
Well, the samurai mostly (
mostly) had a code for their behaviour, and followed it as long as it was extended to the matter they encountered. And also it was based on a higher need: to make a living. As I see, the race of hunters can alter their own rules in some cases, and also those rules do not necessarily have a moral background to it. Rather their behaviour makes the rules, creating kind of a 'silent agreement'. And about seppuku, well, the hunters do it when necessarry, as I saw. It's not only because of defeat, but in a case of emergency as well. I don't think it's because dishonour, rather a last chance to prove themselves in death, an not letting their technology to be stolen. Also this way kind of they defeat themselves.
But.. in great battles samurai collected heads for their own glory. Maybe you are right, and predators taught them!!!
It's the new Avp movie, geezus :)
Sorry, no pun intended. And I have nothing against your idea :) Just I though I add my thoughts.
Amd surely they look cool :D :D
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On predator and alien strenght, a question: if predators have more strenght than aliens, how on Earth could an extremely damaged alien knock and down a predator that sustained no physichal damage in the battle? Celtic couldn't even move a finger. I think the weight of aliens aren't that much as the predators, simply because of their inner structure (don't ask me about it ;). And I hate using avp as an argument, but anyway, I always thought aliens are stronger. On the ground of agility though I think predators are better, even if the can't climb vertical walls, they seem to be more flexible for me.
Aliens can run around on walls and ceilings. Predators never struck me as especially agile. More built to take a beating than avoiding one.
As for strength - have a look at the door to Ripley's cell on the Auriga. Must be about ten inches thick. Ask yourself how long it'd take a weaponless Predator to break it open.
Quote from: SM on Jul 22, 2010, 06:31:39 AM
Aliens can run around on walls and ceilings. Predators never struck me as especially agile. More built to take a beating than avoiding one.
As for strength - have a look at the door to Ripley's cell on the Auriga. Must be about ten inches thick. Ask yourself how long it'd take a weaponless Predator to break it open.
Well, I said that example because we never saw a predator going against a steel door. An argument like that can be attacked like it was never shown on the big screen (and nothing showed that a predator couldn't break a steel door, not to mention in avp-r I recall many aliens screaming in that scene). But at the end of Grid and Celtic's fight it is shown plain and simple that a predator, when it comes down to muscle against muscle have no chance against an alien.
But predators are jumping really high without problem, climb skyscrapers with ease and use the junge's high trees like those were logs in a playground. Also they can run so fast the yey can hardly follow it, and their reflexes are really quick. They really are agile. Resilient as well, but I think their agility is more important (like taking cover against of Dutch's firing behind the tree after shooting Poncho in thehead, for instance).
QuoteWell, I said that example because we never saw a predator going against a steel door.
My example was more a 'what if?' Like would it be realistic to expect a Predator to break down something like that. I'd say not.
However, I'm sure they pack weapons to simply blow it open.
QuoteHowever, I'm sure they pack weapons to simply blow it open.
That's for sure.
And they do it without a power glove, or anything that resembles that...
Oh my, bs...
I mean the brothers strausse, yeah...*ekhm*
looking at a predator id say they could get through a steel door. and people just because you didnt like one of the movies doesnt mean you can scratch everything that happend in it out. its part of the AvP universe now and like it or not its what we go by now. like Predator Concrete jungle for x box scarface wipes out everyone even those who can see him cloaked i guarantee an alien would be shot dead. Predators FTW
Scarfce never breaks a steel door with his bare hand as I recall.
He lifts them up. And in comic (for instance Cold war) they can break doors with weapon, like smart disc.
And as I know movies are considered as canon for arguments. All of the, no matter if someone (well... ::)) doesn't like it.
i didnt say scarface could break through i just said i would accept them being able to. why breakthrough if u can lift it up?
Okay. But if you ask me, it's easier to blow up the door anyway, if it's that in the way. Who knows if preds can break through steel doors. I didn't say they can't. I just think they shouldn't.
well ya but some people that have posted are like saying the predators have to be naked when fighting otherwise its cheap. thats bullshit thats like me saying aliens arent allowed to facehug and rip through their host.
Hmm, that wouldn't be reasonable to say, weapons and accessories are just natural for predators and are made to make them more effective against some prey. It's part of them, and doesn't mean without it they are just screwed.
But, to be frank, I haven't heard saying this too much on this site that preds have to be butt naked when fighting an alien, or it's cheat. People are resonable here, as I saw :)
some one said without weps they are screwed so i jiust think its stupid for them to say that
Quote from: SM on Jul 22, 2010, 05:08:55 AM
The don't have two skeletons.
I'm sure he means an endoskeleton and an exoskeleton, which ain't exactly the same but whatever. :P
I think the naked argument is a bit harsh preds are no fools you don't see us hunting bears with only a knife, that said I think strength wise the preds and aliens are well matched personally, from the information I've got from the movies and the novels, I'd say that the alien is made with perfect natural defences, claws,teeth,blood and a degree of instinctive intelligence, Preds have claws teeth and intelligence. eg. Adaptable fighting technique's. So and this is my opinion pred armed only with a loin cloth is a pretty even match to an alien, although the outcome is not certain, both have an even chance at winning. Anything that hunts whether to survive or for sport doesn't go out looking to die , for the preds its the thrill of out matching something that has the potential to kill you back, and if they happen to find there ultimate nemeses they even the score, in there selection when they find there ultimate prey they hunt as normal and don't go running when when said target gets the upper hand, PRED 2 would have some believe this, that's not true in my opinion I think from what I saw, was he had a time issue with regards to breathable air after his mask was off, I know this theory has holes in it with regards to all the other films, and the only defence I have for this is that every pred mask is pressure sealed via the link cables to the wrist blades, shoulder cannon. They can breath our air but I think they get week and pass out, cause our atmosphere lacks something there respiratory system requires, another reason the masks are required. I'm a Predator fan first Aliens are a very close second and like most I'll find an excuse to defend both.
im a Predator fan im saying they were created in the image of havin advanced weps thats how they should fight
Quote from: JP9667 on Jul 21, 2010, 04:00:37 AM
Okay, let me put it in a way you can you can understand it. THE PREDATOR IS WEAK WITHOUT HIS SHOULDER CANNON AGAINST AN ALIEN. WITHOUT A SHOULDER CANNON HE IS SCREWED AGAINST AN ALIEN UNLESS THERE IS ANOTHER PREDATOR TO HELP. When did scar start killing aliens? WHEN HE GOT THE SHOULDER CANNON. It's pretty simple. Predators are screwed once it comes to close combat. They require range to kill one. ::)
You can't write like that & then expect me to take that seriously...
Why not? Shouty all-caps just makes him more right.
Not in my book.
Quote from: SM on Jul 22, 2010, 06:57:51 AM
QuoteWell, I said that example because we never saw a predator going against a steel door.
My example was more a 'what if?' Like would it be realistic to expect a Predator to break down something like that. I'd say not.
However, I'm sure they pack weapons to simply blow it open.
Tusk Predator was able to break through a steel barrier with a couple of punches or kicks with no problem. Albeit he was too big to get through, he did it with ease. A steel door is feasible.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 22, 2010, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 22, 2010, 06:57:51 AM
QuoteWell, I said that example because we never saw a predator going against a steel door.
My example was more a 'what if?' Like would it be realistic to expect a Predator to break down something like that. I'd say not.
However, I'm sure they pack weapons to simply blow it open.
Tusk Predator was able to break through a steel barrier with a couple of punches or kicks with no problem. Albeit he was too big to get through, he did it with ease. A steel door is feasible.
Oh yeah.. I don't think he was too big to get through, i think he just didn't want his prey dieing from a crazy Ooman.. So he bashed it open a bit to clear the smoke.
The grenade cleared the smoke, but also gave away their position. I'm thinking Tusk did that to flush them out.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 22, 2010, 03:39:07 PM
The grenade cleared the smoke, but also gave away there position. I'm thinking Tusk did that to flush them out.
Now the "Flusher" nickname comes to a sense...
Predators always and forever. Why?
1. Sense of honour and Morales (something Aliens don't have what so ever)
2. Intimidating
3. Look ugly without mask but cool at the same time
4. Far advanced technology (Aliens have no technology)
5. Far more intelligent spieces compared to both Aliens and Humans)
6. Usually physically and mentally stronger then Aliens (and Humans)
7. Every one looks awesome in some way shape or form
All I can think of at the top of my head. I far prefer Predators over Aliens any day.
Aliens more specifically the original from Alien.
Ash summed it up perfectly "You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? Perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility. I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality."
QuoteTusk Predator was able to break through a steel barrier with a couple of punches or kicks with no problem. Albeit he was too big to get through, he did it with ease. A steel door is feasible.
Is this in Predators? How thick is the door? The one I'm talking about is around 8 to 10 inches.
Yeah, in Predators. When the humans are bunched up in Nolan's hideout.
And its predator material. Who knows how hard that is. However, considering how difficult it is to penetrate their armour (which is extremely thin), I think its safe to assume that inch per inch this material is tougher than human metal.
Sure, I can believe that they have stronger metals.
As you should. Remember, a spear tip alone that almost had no weight to it, cut like steel in P2.
So we've successfully concluded that an Alien has displaced a higher volume of denser, heavier metal?
Nope. Aliens are as strong as Ripley. ;)
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I'm still at a loss as to which creature I prefer. I like them both equally. :D
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Jul 23, 2010, 01:30:34 PM
I'm still at a loss as to which creature I prefer. I like them both equally. :D
Really?... So they do exist...
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 24, 2010, 06:54:11 AM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Jul 23, 2010, 01:30:34 PM
I'm still at a loss as to which creature I prefer. I like them both equally. :D
Really?... So they do exist...
Yes. We exist. And soon we shall destroy species haters!
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Jul 23, 2010, 01:30:34 PM
I'm still at a loss as to which creature I prefer. I like them both equally. :D
As has been said before:
He's not an Alien fan.
He's not a Predator fan.
Which makes him...
AN AvP FAN!
Sic 'im!
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 24, 2010, 04:36:05 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Jul 23, 2010, 01:30:34 PM
I'm still at a loss as to which creature I prefer. I like them both equally. :D
As has been said before:
He's not an Alien fan.
He's not a Predator fan.
Which makes him...
AN AvP FAN!
Dave, that is human error.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 24, 2010, 04:36:42 PM
Sic 'im!
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Quote from: TheMonolith on Jul 24, 2010, 04:37:30 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 24, 2010, 04:36:05 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Jul 23, 2010, 01:30:34 PM
I'm still at a loss as to which creature I prefer. I like them both equally. :D
As has been said before:
He's not an Alien fan.
He's not a Predator fan.
Which makes him...
AN AvP FAN!
Dave, that is human error.
Shut up, or do you want me to remove your memory core...
again!?!
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 24, 2010, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 24, 2010, 04:36:42 PM
Sic 'im!
http://mvbg.wikispaces.com/file/view/angry-mob.bmp/109151923/angry-mob.bmp
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jul 24, 2010, 04:37:30 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 24, 2010, 04:36:05 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Jul 23, 2010, 01:30:34 PM
I'm still at a loss as to which creature I prefer. I like them both equally. :D
As has been said before:
He's not an Alien fan.
He's not a Predator fan.
Which makes him...
AN AvP FAN!
Dave, that is human error.
Shut up, or do you want me to remove your memory core... again!?!
Oh no! My favorite Predator involved movies is AVPR! Does an angry mob come after me too?!?
I do prefer the Yautja far over the Xenomorphs though.
Yes, I'm sorry.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 24, 2010, 10:41:04 PM
Yes, I'm sorry.
Oh no then I better pack my things and head to Mexico! lol
I admit AVPR wasn't the best pure film but it was really entertaining to me.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 24, 2010, 04:36:05 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Jul 23, 2010, 01:30:34 PM
I'm still at a loss as to which creature I prefer. I like them both equally. :D
As has been said before:
He's not an Alien fan.
He's not a Predator fan.
Which makes him...
AN AvP FAN!
Wait I openly admitted I loved AVP but I never got a mob of people chasing me, if anything liking that movie has made me more endearing here...
I was attacked but there was no mob.
Despite the fact I was introduced to Alien many years before I had the chance to see Predator, I've gotta go with Predator. Don't know why. It's just that way.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 24, 2010, 04:36:05 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Jul 23, 2010, 01:30:34 PM
I'm still at a loss as to which creature I prefer. I like them both equally. :D
As has been said before:
He's not an Alien fan.
He's not a Predator fan.
Which makes him...
AN A&P FAN!
Fix'd. ;) :P
Words of wisdom Omega. Words of wisdom.
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TIE. The predators are stronger put a single predator can only do so much. Aleins add non stop action. they can die put when a predator dies the movies is usally over. predators can't make a video game good withuot aliens unless you play as the predator. They are diffent and eternally bonded
I understood none of that, partially because of the terrible grammar and spelling. Actually no, no partially, I didn't understand that in the slightest.
Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 26, 2010, 05:25:16 PM
I understood none of that, partially because of the terrible grammar and spelling. Actually no, no partially, I didn't understand that in the slightest.
Glad I'm not alone, for a second I though I lost the way of "internet-writing/reading"
Commas, why the internet has lost you?! :'(
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jul 26, 2010, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: AintGotTime2Bleed on Jul 26, 2010, 05:25:16 PM
I understood none of that, partially because of the terrible grammar and spelling. Actually no, no partially, I didn't understand that in the slightest.
Glad I'm not alone, for a second I though I lost the way of "internet-writing/reading"
There have always been dipshits like this. :P
Quote from: Celtic Predator 2782 on Jul 26, 2010, 05:16:12 PM
TIE. The predators are stronger put a single predator can only do so much. Aleins add non stop action. they can die put when a predator dies the movies is usally over. predators can't make a video game good withuot aliens unless you play as the predator. They are diffent and eternally bonded
:o
Wha.. why would.. come.. just.. just, just ...never mind.
Quote from: Celtic Predator 2782 on Jul 26, 2010, 05:16:12 PM
TIE. The predators are stronger put a single predator can only do so much.
The Predators are stronger but a single Predator only (
redundant) can't do much
Quote from: Celtic Predator 2782 on Jul 26, 2010, 05:16:12 PM
Aleins add non stop action.
Aliens add non-stop action (
?)
Quote from: Celtic Predator 2782 on Jul 26, 2010, 05:16:12 PM
they can die put when a predator dies the movies is usally over.
They can die, but when a Predator dies the movie is usually over.
Quote from: Celtic Predator 2782 on Jul 26, 2010, 05:16:12 PM
predators can't make a video game good withuot aliens unless you play as the predator.
Predators can't make a good videogame without aliens unless you play as the predator (
nonsense)
Quote from: Celtic Predator 2782 on Jul 26, 2010, 05:16:12 PM
They are diffent and eternally bonded
They are different and eternally bounded.
Celtic Predator should be an internet comedian...I laughed SO hard when I read his post. ;D
Minions, let us move on and discuss what is truly important. Predators and Aliens. 8)
Alien was here, Predator is a fag.
Whoa...just whoa. WHOA.
Time to up your medication, Alex.
Dun wanna!
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couldn't resist.
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That's hilarious!
Spaghetti, good draw...wha!? Why I oughta!
Spaghetti, that is awesome. I laughed so much. :D
Quote from: Spaghetti on Jul 27, 2010, 09:16:37 PM
couldn't resist.
Spaghetti.........there are no words.
Yes there are.
And those words are "More please!"
When the AvP competition roles around (which I'm sure it will), he should enter that. :D
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couldn't resist.
Laugh-Bursting. :D :D
I laughed out loud. Well done.
Aliens wearing sunglasses, ya gotta love 'em.
Quote from: SM on Jul 27, 2010, 10:56:11 PM
Yes there are.
And those words are "More please!"
Well if anyone has more ideas...
Predators.
No, Aliens.
No,
Graboids.
Predators for me, I like both and I grew up with both, but I always liked the Predators more.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Aug 01, 2010, 09:31:05 PM
Predators for me, I like both and I grew up with both, but I always liked the Predators more.
This sounds similar to my "love" story lol
And welcome to the forums!
Alien, these creature have always been my favorite movie monster. Also, the xenomorphs are more realistic than the yautjas.
Yeah, of course, because there have definitely been cases of creatures on earth that use acidic blood. ::)
Aliens aren't that realistic, but they are believable in that they do seem truly alien. Their divergence from what we understand and see as normal life fits the term to a tee. Consider that their major competitors in science fiction are essentially humans with funny make-up and prosthetics; Aliens are different to us in lots of fundamental ways while retaining enough biological (... or technological) design elements to allow for suspension of disbelief.
Both have their "unreal" aspects. Alien has got the dna mix - while the Predator has the incredibly contrasting mentality of an ancient warrior combined with monstrously advanced technology.
Except the fact of the matter is that its not that monstrously advanced in technology...
QuoteAliens aren't that realistic, but they are believable in that they do seem truly alien. Their divergence from what we understand and see as normal life fits the term to a tee. Consider that their major competitors in science fiction are essentially humans with funny make-up and prosthetics; Aliens are different to us in lots of fundamental ways while retaining enough biological (... or technological) design elements to allow for suspension of disbelief.
Well said. Not that realistic, but believable. I'm going to use this in some way or another...
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 02, 2010, 01:06:20 PM
Except the fact of the matter is that its not that monstrously advanced in technology...
Oh, no.
They've only got a way to cloak themselves with the environment and interstellar space travels.
Which humans have developed viable ways to achieve in the next few decades...and which humans have already started early work on, with much success.
Yeah, but Humans can't just pop into a shop, buy a freakin' space ship and fly to Earth for the hell of it.
Come to think of it, Predator ships are more like flying cars lol.
Well yeah, the predators are clearly more advanced than us (and have been for quite a while, if the flashback in AvP is anything to go by). However, on a purely technological capabilities level, the only thing that the predators have that is well beyond our current scope of capabilities is faster than light technology. Other than that, the majority of their tech is possible, even within the next couple of decades. But sure, we won't be able to travel around in spaceships at will, because we have economics and shit. Whether or not the predators have this is completely unknown to me, and anyone for that matter.
True freedom, that should be classified as some sort of far out-there Technological advancement, should it not :P
Seriously though, the thing what always amazes me is just how does the Cloak cloak the Predator's whole body, even the skin and Weapon he is holding?
Here is a quote from my predator study which goes over all the cloaking possibilities that humans have developed which would be viable for the predators to use:
QuoteCloaking: A predator cloaks first by pressing three buttons on his wrist computer. Then, starting from the top of the head, his body becomes nearly invisible, the only indications of the creature's presence being a distortion of the area behind it and a faint outline around it. Looking through a predator when it is cloaked can be likened to looking through someone else's glasses, whose prescription does not match your own.
The question arises as to how the predator is able to cloak so efficiently. The answer, surprisingly, is not far-fetched. Humans have been able to create devices which render objects invisible to one of the rays in the electromagnetic spectrum. There are three methods which have been used to achieve this, each of which still has technological barriers to overcome before perfection can be achieved.
The first method is to use holographic technology, a feat which the predators have already succeeded in (see Holographic Technology, below). How, though, does one go about using this technology to render something or someone invisible? You could "photograph the scenery behind a person and project that background image directly onto a person's clothes..." (Kaku 31) The technological hurdle that man has faced in doing so is that they have not been able to create a holographic camera which can operate at 30 or more frames per second. However, given the predator's clearly superior technology and proven success in the field of holographic imagery, this method of cloaking is perhaps the most likely of the three.
The second method is through the use of metamaterials, objects which are manufactured with optical properties not found in nature (on earth). These are created by embedding tiny implants within a substance that forces electromagnetic waves to bend in unorthodox ways. These metamaterials manipulate the index of refraction* so that light passes around an object (like water flows around a boulder/obstacle), rendering it invisible. Man has succeeded in rendering objects invisible in the microwave radiation spectrum, and are currently (as of 2010) working on ways to do the same for the visible light spectrum. In the case of the predators, it is not unlikely that they may, in fact, use metamaterials for their cloaking, with the tiny implants inserted into their flesh and all over their bodies.
The third and final method of rendering something invisible is through the use of plasmonics. In his book "Physics of the Impossible", Michio Kaku states:
"The goal of plasmonics is to "squeeze" light so that one can manipulate objects at the nanoscale, especially on the surface of metals. The reason metals conduct electricity is that electrons are loosely bound to metal atoms, so they can freely mover along the surface of the metal lattice...But under certain conditions, when a light beam collides with the metal surface, the electrons can vibrate in unison with the original light beam, creating wavelike motions of the electrons on the metal surface (called plasmons), and these wavelike motions beat in unison with the original light beam. Most important, one can "squeeze" these plasmons so that they have the same frequency as the original beam (and hence, carry the same information) but have a much smaller wavelength." (Kaku 26-27)
That, then, would result in invisibility. Any of these could be used by the predators as a method for invisibility. It is also a possibility that they could have created a new, more efficient and effective way of cloaking. However, these three techniques are what human scientists of the twenty-first century are expanding upon, trying to render something completely invisible in the visible light spectrum.
*Index of Refraction: Encarta World English Dictionary: the ratio of the speed of refracted light in a vacuum or reference medium to its speed in the medium under examination.
The use of these in weapons is as easy as installing a special device in them.
:o
It doesn't matter at all if the hunters are so advanced, or just some decades more advanced than humans. What matter is that they do have advanced technology, and they use it combined with primitive methods, and for seemingly tribal puposes. Which creates an unbelievably good mystery around them. The actual level of technology doesn't change it.
^ Beautifully said.
Aliens are more mysterious.
Take that.
How so? The Anchorpoint Essays explain nearly every possibility about the aliens, better than I explain about the predators.
Take that. :D
Mike reckons about 80% or thereabouts of Anchorpoint is speculatory.
LINK PLZ.
Quote from: SM on Aug 03, 2010, 12:01:40 AM
Mike reckons about 80% or thereabouts of Anchorpoint is speculatory.
Yeah, but his speculation, whilst not pinpointing an exact conclusion, more than likely goes over all the viable options...yes, its mysterious that there is no conclusive "the blood is made of this, the exoskeleton is made of this", but in his vast speculation his reach probably extended over a correct answer...
www.anchorpointessays.com
id prefer the aliens over the predators, the aliens are the best due to the fact they dont need technology or weapons like predators do..they just use their natural abilities, the predators rely on their technology all the time (come on you can't deny it) but the aliens don't need "spears", "wrist-blades", shoulder mounted plasma casters or "vision modes" it relies on its instinct alone. :)
Quote from: War Wager on Mar 26, 2007, 11:25:00 PM
Aliens for me because:
- they have a really cool design
- have an interseting life cycle
- most original (what I mean by that is that they are not civilised or sophisticated in any way. Predators believe in honour and have made their own weapons, clans, ships and probably religions, Aliens are just creatures from outer-space that have one drive and that is to breed and kill, thats original)
They also have blind rage and blind survival instinct now don't get me wrong the Predator species has a special place in my heart to next to the Aliens but Aliens are just the little bit cooler for me.
the aliens are always close to my heart, ever since "alien" though "A:R" almost killed that place, the predators also have a close place in my heart just not as big as the aliens.
The Predator! come on he's the toughest extraterrestrial there is. They've hunted everything in the galaxy,have highly advanced technology,they are biologicly more advanced then man,spacejockeys,and xenomorghs.have perfected space travel and will stop at nothing to get it's prey's skull as a troughy.
No man,commando,colonial marine can defeat me.No predator hunter,super predator,bad blood predator can stop me.No alien warrior,Queen alien,predalien can kill me...I AM THE GALAXYS ULTIMATE HUNTER!
I guess that's why all the Predators from the films are still alive.
really? they look pretty dead to me :P
Predator from the first movie was only defeated by Dutch because he was a youngblood,not very experienced,also Dutch dropped a tree trunk on his head. The predator in the second movie was defeated because 1.he's a youngblood 2.He was wounded 3. Harrigan was armed with a predator weapon(throwing disk)which gave him a fighting chance. Chopper a.k.a. Gill from AVP was klilled by Grid because he didn't see it coming. Celtic lost because he didn't know at first they where sent in with non acid resistant equipment. Scar was stabbed by a warrior alien then a queen. The only reason the three adult Preds. in AVPR where defeated because they where caught off guard by Chet, and Wolf faught till the end. In Predators Tusk was killed because of that bomb at close range in a closed room, Baltimore a.k.a. Birdface was defeated because Honzo went for his unarmerd parts, and finaly Mr. Black was killed by Royce because he had used a ceramonial predator weapon and had help from Issabelle.
predators with casters are not young bloods.
You mean plasma cannons? I've always saw the jungle and urban predator as youngsters let loose to hunt man by adult preds.
So you're saying that the Predators were killed because they were defeated? Sounds about right to me.
Yes.
I guess my thoughts that predators were killed when they conclusively won were wrong... ::)
Quote from: galaxys ultimate hunter on Aug 09, 2010, 04:49:17 PM
You mean plasma cannons? I've always saw the jungle and urban predator as youngsters let loose to hunt man by adult preds.
There's no basis for that theory, other than Paul Anderson offering his opinion which has no basis itself.
Paul Anderson is the retard spawn of retards who, despite having watched Aliens so many times (apparently) didn't pick up a god damned piece of information.
Quote from: galaxys ultimate hunter on Aug 09, 2010, 04:41:37 PM
Baltimore a.k.a. Birdface was defeated because Honzo went for his unarmerd parts
Far from invincible I would say.
Quote from: galaxys ultimate hunter on Aug 09, 2010, 04:49:17 PM
You mean plasma cannons? I've always saw the jungle and urban predator as youngsters let loose to hunt man by adult preds.
Pussyface I can see. Not Jungle. He was clearly experienced.
I really love the predators and also the aliens.
-alienhunter14
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 14, 2010, 03:14:56 PM
Quote from: galaxys ultimate hunter on Aug 09, 2010, 04:49:17 PM
You mean plasma cannons? I've always saw the jungle and urban predator as youngsters let loose to hunt man by adult preds.
Pussyface I can see. Not Jungle. He was clearly experienced.
"Pussyface" has to have experience if he's killed over twice the amount the Jungle hunter did without ever being detected by anyone other than his prey.. and a kid who offered him candy.
Thier both great , the original alien was desturbing and in some respects like a man made virus ,
where the predators are very advanced technollogy , that thill of the hunt and gladiatoriall combat to the death like
us humans , so we can relate to them as the Alien is terror even to the big tough marines
Predator deserves more sequals and hopefully no long wait ; AVP was fun and a long way from the Alien skull in Predator 2
we all know the rest so AVP and AVPR were pay offs . So nowis time for the Predator back on the big screen :)
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 09, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
Paul Anderson is the retard spawn of retards who, despite having watched Aliens so many times (apparently) didn't pick up a god damned piece of information.
This. This quote sums up my feelings towards AVP and Anderson.
I don't comprehend the hate towards AVP & AVP-R.
They were a huge drop in quality in comparison to the originals. That and allot of the original elements were bastardized.
Unless you're some unfortunate who came into the series through the AVPs anyone should understand this.
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 09, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
Paul Anderson is the retard spawn of retards who, despite having watched Aliens so many times (apparently) didn't pick up a god damned piece of information.
Ditto for the Bros Strause.
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 15, 2010, 08:08:53 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 09, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
Paul Anderson is the retard spawn of retards who, despite having watched Aliens so many times (apparently) didn't pick up a god damned piece of information.
Ditto for the Bros Strause.
Lawl so true, and it's their favourite Alien film too!
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 15, 2010, 08:08:53 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 09, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
Paul Anderson is the retard spawn of retards who, despite having watched Aliens so many times (apparently) didn't pick up a god damned piece of information.
Ditto for the Bros Strause.
Yes, well, I haven't listened to the AvP: Requiem commentary yet, so I have no idea if they claim to have watched
Aliens more than any other movie like Paul did. However, judging from their movie, I would have to agree.
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 15, 2010, 08:23:31 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 15, 2010, 08:08:53 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 09, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
Paul Anderson is the retard spawn of retards who, despite having watched Aliens so many times (apparently) didn't pick up a god damned piece of information.
Ditto for the Bros Strause.
Yes, well, I haven't listened to the AvP: Requiem commentary yet, so I have no idea if they claim to have watched Aliens more than any other movie like Paul did. However, judging from their movie, I would have to agree.
I just noticed it from the making of, and an Alien Experience interview where they equate their career and movie with Cameron.
Oh...well then, their incompetence runs just as (or more) deep than Andersons'. Fair enough.
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 15, 2010, 08:23:31 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 15, 2010, 08:08:53 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 09, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
Paul Anderson is the retard spawn of retards who, despite having watched Aliens so many times (apparently) didn't pick up a god damned piece of information.
Ditto for the Bros Strause.
Yes, well, I haven't listened to the AvP: Requiem commentary yet, so I have no idea if they claim to have watched Aliens more than any other movie like Paul did. However, judging from their movie, I would have to agree.
They never said that. They insulted Alien fans but didn't say anything about watching Aliens more than anything else.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 08:17:40 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 15, 2010, 08:23:31 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 15, 2010, 08:08:53 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 09, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
Paul Anderson is the retard spawn of retards who, despite having watched Aliens so many times (apparently) didn't pick up a god damned piece of information.
Ditto for the Bros Strause.
Yes, well, I haven't listened to the AvP: Requiem commentary yet, so I have no idea if they claim to have watched Aliens more than any other movie like Paul did. However, judging from their movie, I would have to agree.
They never said that. They insulted Alien fans but didn't say anything about watching Aliens more than anything else.
I haven't watched the whole commentary but when do they insult Alien fans? The only thing close too insulting that I heard was "And this is where the Alien fans left the theater..." When Wolf crushed the Alien's head.
That, and the sewer scene and the shot up the building right before Wolf turns his caster into a gun.
What did they say?
Sewer: we knew Alien fans wouldn't like this, but the Predator is just sooo strong
Building: *as camera pans over dead Aliens* "here's one for the Alien fans!"
........
........
........ Oh
They'd be lucky for Alien fans to make it that far.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 08:17:40 PM
They never said that. They insulted Alien fans but didn't say anything about watching Aliens more than anything else.
"I love Aliens, it's my favourite of the series, I'm a fan of Cameron".
More or less Colin said this in the Making of.
And?
Doesn't mean he watches it more than anything else.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 18, 2010, 12:38:55 AM
And?
Doesn't mean he watches it more than anything else.
The only person who said he watched it more than any movie was Anderson. I was just asking if Colin and Greg Strause said that they had watched Aliens a lot as well. The answer, then, is yes, and my general summary of Anderson as a director would then apply to them as well, for they both didn't learn anything from the movie that they supposedly watched so much of.
Colin said it's one of his favourites, but not his most favoured. That would be the Shawshank Redemption.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 18, 2010, 12:42:32 AM
Colin said it's one of his favourites, but not his most favoured. That would be the Shawshank Redemption.
Another great film which he didn't really learn any filmmaking tips from. :-\ I guess any young retard may penetrate the hollywood fortress these days...
Considering he owns his own FX company with his brother, I wouldn't call him a young retard.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 18, 2010, 01:08:08 AM
Considering he owns his own FX company with his brother, I wouldn't call him a young retard.
Effects and directing are two different things entirely. Which is clearly the case, given how Requiem looked good effects wise, but was garbage in every other aspect.
Okay, that still doesn't make him a young retard.
Hyperbolic slander is hyperbolic.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 18, 2010, 01:10:39 AM
Okay, that still doesn't make him a young retard.
Hyperbolic slander is hyperbolic.
Drop the young, then. I'm content with that.
Doesn't make him a retard, either. I'm sure his brain works just fine.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 18, 2010, 01:15:30 AM
Doesn't make him a retard, either. I'm sure his brain works just fine.
Then how would you describe him? Incapable of making connections? Incapable of retaining information? Incapable of researching something before directing a movie about it? Surely you can't consider him anything more than stupid...
Or can I say a retard alien/predator director? I think if I narrow it down a bit more instead of making my claim so broad, I won't get attacked.
They were just chugging down the wrong direction for the sort of film we wanted.
I'm sure that the responses to AvPR have been very illluminating for both of them.
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 18, 2010, 01:18:26 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 18, 2010, 01:15:30 AM
Doesn't make him a retard, either. I'm sure his brain works just fine.
Then how would you describe him? Incapable of making connections? Incapable of retaining information? Incapable of researching something before directing a movie about it? Surely you can't consider him anything more than stupid...
Or can I say a retard alien/predator director? I think if I narrow it down a bit more instead of making my claim so broad, I won't get attacked.
One bad film doesn't make them idiots. They know the industry. They just happened to make a bad film. Happens to all directors, even the best ones.
I wouldn't call any man a retard since it is a derogatory term that bears no meaning to the conversation, bad director is fine even worst director ever. Though how can you base a director(s) (in this case) on one film. I mean look at george lucas his films have sucked, sucked hard recently yet he has made arguably some of the best movies ever, so don't base a director of one movie.
EDIT: the above explained it better than me listen to them!
Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 18, 2010, 01:19:25 AM
They were just chugging down the wrong direction for the sort of film we wanted.
I'm sure that the responses to AvPR have been very illluminating for both of them.
The whole reason i called them retarded was because they claimed to have watched
Aliens loads of times (as well as both the original and Alien 3 and Resurrection, I would presume...just maybe not as much), and yet they still manage to make a movie with so much stuff that is ridiculously and blatantly nonsensical inside the respective creatures' the universes. I have no idea why I'm being attacked, nor do I have any idea why these gentlemen (who I personally consider far below the average IQ line) are being defended. Call it as it is: they're stupid.
QuoteOne bad film doesn't make them idiots. They know the industry. They just happened to make a bad film. Happens to all directors, even the best ones.
And why was the film bad, besides filmmaking choices? Because of what I explained above, really. :-\
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 18, 2010, 01:23:59 AM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 18, 2010, 01:19:25 AM
They were just chugging down the wrong direction for the sort of film we wanted.
I'm sure that the responses to AvPR have been very illluminating for both of them.
The whole reason i called them retarded was because they claimed to have watched Aliens loads of times (as well as both the original and Alien 3 and Resurrection, I would presume...just maybe not as much), and yet they still manage to make a movie with so much stuff that is ridiculously and blatantly nonsensical inside the respective creatures' the universes. I have no idea why I'm being attacked, nor do I have any idea why these gentlemen (who I personally consider far below the average IQ line) are being defended. Call it as it is: they're stupid.
And what your doing to them isn't? It isn't a attack, just whats the point in having hard feelings about a film that you never have to watch again. Plus there new film looks pretty amazing so far, and in interviews they seem pretty down to earth people. Yes while they like there move were most others hate it, who wouldn't in there situation I personally would love if I made avp:r obviously I would of preferred to make alien but yer don't blame them for liking what they made it is a natural reaction
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 18, 2010, 01:23:59 AM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Aug 18, 2010, 01:19:25 AM
They were just chugging down the wrong direction for the sort of film we wanted.
I'm sure that the responses to AvPR have been very illluminating for both of them.
The whole reason i called them retarded was because they claimed to have watched Aliens loads of times (as well as both the original and Alien 3 and Resurrection, I would presume...just maybe not as much), and yet they still manage to make a movie with so much stuff that is ridiculously and blatantly nonsensical inside the respective creatures' the universes. I have no idea why I'm being attacked, nor do I have any idea why these gentlemen (who I personally consider far below the average IQ line) are being defended. Call it as it is: they're stupid.
QuoteOne bad film doesn't make them idiots. They know the industry. They just happened to make a bad film. Happens to all directors, even the best ones.
And why was the film bad, besides filmmaking choices? Because of what I explained above, really. :-\
You're calling them stupid because they made a movie. That's even stupider. A bad movie doesn't make them idiots. They may be ignorant of what made the originals good in most cases but like I said, owning your own FX company and working on almost every single major blockbuster makes you pretty damn good at what you do.
QuoteAnd what your doing to them isn't? It isn't a attack, just whats the point in having hard feelings about a film that you never have to watch again. Plus there new film looks pretty amazing so far, and in interviews they seem pretty down to earth people. Yes while they like there move were most others hate it, who wouldn't in there situation I personally would love if I made avp:r obviously I would of preferred to make alien but yer don't blame them for liking what they made it is a natural reaction
You make a good point in me not having to watch it again. But its like eating something that leaves a bad aftertaste in your mouth: you may not have to eat the food again, but that lingering memory is still there.
Yes, their new movie looks good. But is it a sequel, or did they have unlimited creative freedom where they could do whatever they wanted and they had no rules to stay inside of? I call them retarded mainly because of how they seemed to disregard previously established rules. Yes, I don't have to watch the movie again, but there's still that lingering effect...
QuoteYou're calling them stupid because they made a movie. That's even stupider. A bad movie doesn't make them idiots.
And I agree with you. But I call them retards/idiots mainly because, as stated above, they blatantly step over previously established rules and lines as if those rules weren't even there.
For example, allow me to retell a story of one of my friends in my calculus class. We were learning how to solve systems of planes using matrices by reducing the planes' forumlas down to reduced row echelon form. Now, the teacher taught us
one way how to do it to get it right every time. Then, the test comes around, and my friend decides to do it differently, in a way that would seemingly make sense, yet got a completely wrong answer, disregarding the previously established rule set down by the teacher. Does that make him stupid? Yes, but only in reduced row echelon form, and in that instance. He blatantly disregarded the one rule laid down on him, just like the Brothers disregarded the rules set down by the predecessing films. Did that make my friend stupid in calculus? No, he got an 87%. But in reduced row echelon form, he was stupid.
QuoteThe whole reason i called them retarded was because they claimed to have watched Aliens loads of times (as well as both the original and Alien 3 and Resurrection, I would presume...just maybe not as much), and yet they still manage to make a movie with so much stuff that is ridiculously and blatantly nonsensical inside the respective creatures' the universes.
They said they watched it. They didn't claim they'd actually taken anything in about what made them good (or not) films.
Anderson said he studied Alien and Aliens for the pacing in regards to the big reveal. And yet he failed utterly in getting the audience to connect with the characters like they did in Alien and Aliens when nothing happens for the first 45 minutes.
JPJ studied the editing of Hollywood action films in order to get a feel for what the studio and audience might want, and it didn't help much if you ask most people round here.
While "retard" might be a bit harsh, calling the BS "stupid" or "dumb" might be more applicable, considering some of the ridiculously awful decisions they made throughout the course of the film. Clearly, they're good at what they go if they can keep an FX company running, but it doesn't seem to me that they applied much intelligence to AvPR.
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 18, 2010, 01:09:50 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 18, 2010, 01:08:08 AM
Considering he owns his own FX company with his brother, I wouldn't call him a young retard.
Requiem looked good effects wise.
Whut.
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 18, 2010, 01:18:26 AM
Then how would you describe him?
As someone who didn't take the time to think about what he was doing.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Aug 18, 2010, 02:39:14 AM
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 18, 2010, 01:09:50 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 18, 2010, 01:08:08 AM
Considering he owns his own FX company with his brother, I wouldn't call him a young retard.
Requiem looked good effects wise.
Whut.
You can't deny the fact that the animatronics were really good. I could partly agree on the cgi though.
Wolf's face looked terrible in the execution - the design was fine. The Aliens never looked convincing. The CGI was always obvious.
I'm talking about the actual movement of the faces and stuff. No stiffy, very fluid and almost natural looking. Not talking about design.
Again - The CGI always looked fake, Wolf's face had no subtle movement, the Aliens always looked like guys in rubber suits.
They should have called Stan Wintson Studios ;D
I have no idea why they didn't. I mean its ALIENS vs PREDATOR. Many people would argue that Stan did the greatest Alien design. And he did infact create the Predator.
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 21, 2010, 02:33:33 AM
Many people would argue that Stan did the greatest Alien design.
Which was pretty much the same as Giger's. Which is a good thing.
Its close.
The only real changes were to the hands, the removal of the human skull, and the removal of the transparent dome. I think the feet were altered a little, as well. I actually like what they did with the hands; made them seem more alien.
Their posture is a lot different. They're slimmer but I think the design and behavior makes them seem more vicious and aggressive.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 21, 2010, 05:22:11 PM
The only real changes were to the hands, the removal of the human skull, and the removal of the transparent dome. I think the feet were altered a little, as well. I actually like what they did with the hands; made them seem more alien.
They changed, other than what you said, neck and arm appendages. Agreed on the hands. And may i add, it's better without the skull.
I think the skull works when the translucent cover is over it. Without, meh, not so much.
I think it works both ways. They're both equally as terrifying.
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 21, 2010, 07:55:37 PM
I think it works both ways. They're both equally as terrifying.
I meant that the human skull doesn't really seem to fit without the cover. For the record, I like Giger's and Winston's designs almost equally.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 21, 2010, 08:35:58 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 21, 2010, 07:55:37 PM
I think it works both ways. They're both equally as terrifying.
I meant that the human skull doesn't really seem to fit without the cover. For the record, I like Giger's and Winston's designs almost equally.
(raises hand)
I second that.
predator there just cool 8)
May I add, if you look carefully at the face of the Winston Drones in certain photos , you'll see there is a trace of covered eyesockets.
Weren't they originally planning to give the Aliens domes, but JC said no?
He said no, I think, but for a practical reason not just because he wanted to.
In Aliens director's comments, Cameron said he was more interested of what's under the dome, well i don't know why ?
The predators have honor where as the aliens are more animal instincts and breed they are insect like creatures. But preds just seem to be cooler in my opinion but Alien is a really cool monster too.
how many aliens have killed predators, and how many aliens have predators killed, predators are sick, i prefer the classic predator over the new ones like mr.black
QuoteIn Aliens director's comments, Cameron said he was more interested of what's under the dome, well i don't know why ?
Aesthetics.
Of hate.
Quote from: SM on Aug 26, 2010, 03:04:36 AM
QuoteIn Aliens director's comments, Cameron said he was more interested of what's under the dome, well i don't know why ?
Aesthetics.
Which is ironic considering (IMO) the original design looked better anyway.
That's not ironic.
And I think some people maybe don't know what aesthetics means ...
You referring to me?
Im with Cameron. i always preferred the ridge top from aliens as opposed to the dome from aliens. Not that it wasnt a great design to begin with. In terms of Aliens or Predators? Id have to go Predators. They are more relate able than aliens. Either way, i wouldnt want to hear an aliens hiss or a preds mandibles clicking in the dark...
PREDATORS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Predator is winning.
By a large amount.
Your point being...?
Alien-preferentials are still a minority elite! Hooray!
f**kin sell-out Predator fans.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 02, 2010, 02:00:23 AM
Alien-preferentials are still a minority elite! Hooray!
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2010, 02:03:42 AM
f**kin sell-out Predator fans.
True-dat. 8)
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2010, 02:03:42 AM
f**kin sell-out Predator fans.
Damn that Davis...
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2010, 02:03:42 AM
f**kin sell-out Predator fans.
Okey-dokey. Here we go. Now you're being rude, and I hate rude people. On a similar note I must confess to you, I'm giving very serious thought... to eating you. Bowels in or Bowels out?
But seriously: I resent that.
Quote from: BLAIN on Sep 02, 2010, 10:24:22 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2010, 02:03:42 AM
f**kin sell-out Predator fans.
Okey-dokey. Here we go. Now you're being rude, and I hate rude people. On a similar note I must confess to you, I'm giving very serious thought... to eating you. Bowels in or Bowels out?
But seriously: I resent that.
Unseen joke is unseen.
It's a combination of 4 quotes from Hannibal Lecter. I've grown quite fond of quoting him.
Hm ...
I want to be an elite minority ... Maybe I should join the other side.
]
You can call it an elite minority or an endangered species. Do you want to be an endangered species?
No of course not.
Good point BLAIN.
Quote from: The PredBen on Sep 02, 2010, 03:04:25 PM
Hm ...
I want to be an elite minority ... Maybe I should join the other side.
]
Fantastic.
Ask Darkness to change nick into "The AlienBen".
And put the Giger Alien in the avatar, obviously.
Quote from: BLAIN on Sep 02, 2010, 03:05:25 PM
You can call it an elite minority or an endangered species. Do you want to be an endangered species?
We should control the population of Predator Fans. They're coming out of hand...
Yeah.
You could call them a common majority or pests. ;D
Hm ...
I think if you have more then 1,000 posts you can't change your screenname. Although The AlienBen struck me as an awesome name.
Quote from: The PredBen on Sep 02, 2010, 03:09:23 PM
Hm ...
I think if you have more then 1,000 posts you can't change your screenname. Although The AlienBen struck me as an awesome name.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlard1-gSZ0
QuoteWe should control the population of Predator Fans. They're coming out of hand...
I see what you did there...
QuoteYou could call them a common majority or pests.
I resent that.
Quote
I think if you have more then 1,000 posts you can't change your screenname. Although The AlienBen struck me as an awesome name.
Reminds me of that god awful show "Ben 10". Do you want to be remembered as a stupid children's show?
Jesus Christ I hate Ben 10.
Good point Blain.
More Pred fans? Must be the younger crew.
Quote from: The PredBen on Sep 02, 2010, 03:09:23 PM
Hm ...
I think if you have more then 1,000 posts you can't change your screenname. Although The AlienBen struck me as an awesome name.
I know, that was a joke.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Sep 02, 2010, 03:10:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlard1-gSZ0
Wrong tags (fixed them). AND O MY TEH EYES BURN!!!
Quote from: BLAIN on Sep 02, 2010, 03:11:05 PM
QuoteWe should control the population of Predator Fans. They're coming out of hand...
I see what you did there...
;) ;D ;D
Quote from: The PredBen on Sep 02, 2010, 03:13:01 PM
Good point Blain.
The XenoBen then. Or Benfoedus Acheronsis. Or Bentercevus Raptus.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 02, 2010, 03:13:34 PM
More Pred fans? Must be the younger crew.
Reeled in by
Predators, I expect.
Although the new wave of AvPR fans perplexes me.
QuoteThe XenoBen then. Or Benfoedus Acheronsis. Or Bentercevus Raptus.
Pervert, Spider, Awesome dinosaur.
Quote
Although the new wave of AvPR fans perplexes me.
Me too.
SpiderBen, SpiderBen, does whatever a SpiderBen can...Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 02, 2010, 03:15:40 PM
Although the new wave of AvPR fans perplexes me.
Ditto. But gore+babes=today's satisfaction needs.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 02, 2010, 03:14:55 PM
Quote from: The PredBen on Sep 02, 2010, 03:09:23 PM
Hm ...
I think if you have more then 1,000 posts you can't change your screenname. Although The AlienBen struck me as an awesome name.
I know, that was a joke.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Sep 02, 2010, 03:10:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlard1-gSZ0
Wrong tags (fixed them). AND O MY TEH EYES BURN!!!
Quote from: BLAIN on Sep 02, 2010, 03:11:05 PM
QuoteWe should control the population of Predator Fans. They're coming out of hand...
I see what you did there...
;) ;D ;D
Quote from: The PredBen on Sep 02, 2010, 03:13:01 PM
Good point Blain.
The XenoBen then. Or Benfoedus Acheronsis. Or Bentercevus Raptus.
Yay u fixed my tagz u r my total hero lololol ;)
Thank you. On the suggestion on names, how about "SpaceJockeyBen?" Its not as ALIEN as one, but I like it.
Obviously.
:)
Quote from: BLAIN on Sep 02, 2010, 03:17:02 PM
QuoteThe XenoBen then. Or Benfoedus Acheronsis. Or Bentercevus Raptus.
Pervert, Spider, Awesome dinosaur.
Quote
Although the new wave of AvPR fans perplexes me.
Me too.
Funny names BLAIN I couldn't stop laughing.
And whats with the AVP:R fans lately? God awful s**t fest film.
And SpaceJockey Ben is cool, but sadly, my post count is to high I think. Unless Darkness changed the rules. ???
Maybe you should change your name to The Lecter Sector
The Rectum Sectum?
Alien because the Predators maybe cool and have interresting technology, but the Preds are only bloodthursty hunters. The Aliens are all instinct and they can survive just about anywhere in the universe. Also if 100 ALiens with a couple of fertile queens were dropped on the Predator home world they would probably force the preds on the edge of extinction.
How about... Lecter the infector?
Quote from: Xxx-Grid-xxX on Sep 04, 2010, 02:56:32 PM
Alien because the Predators maybe cool and have interresting technology, but the Preds are only bloodthursty hunters. The Aliens are all instinct and they can survive just about anywhere in the universe. Also if 100 ALiens with a couple of fertile queens were dropped on the Predator home world they would probably force the preds on the edge of extinction.
Predators are a lot like humans, just with a higher sense of honor. The reason they work so well together is because as you say, aliens are this unstoppable force that acts on pure animal instinct, and the predator hunts for the thrill. Take away the preds tech and an alien would rip him apart. Ive always liked the predators because despite this, they go face to face with the alien anyway.
I honour you oh worthy opponent, but shooting you from long range with laser guidance and an energy weapon, while I am adorned with the cloak invisible!
I initially read that out of context and thought you'd been playing Halo. :D
I vote Predators. They have Fritzel on their team.
Quote from: SM on Sep 05, 2010, 11:25:21 PM
I honour you oh worthy opponent, but shooting you from long range with laser guidance and an energy weapon, while I am adorned with the cloak invisible!
Dont tell me your getting all humanitarian on me now. Tell a big game hunter theres no honor in the kill, despite them shooting using oversized guns, usually hidden from view. Members of WWF and Greenpeace wont agree with it, but to the hunter, there is plenty of honor and thats all that matters.
I don't find much honour in shooting unarmed unaware prey with a high powered rifle either personally. If you did it with a bow and arrow maybe...
People get too hung on Predators being "honourable". It's bullshit as far as I'm concerned. They simply have rules, like any other sport.
If they didn't believe in honour, why would they pay respects to their prey a la Elder giving Harrigan a gun as a form of reward?
How much "honour" did Blain get? Or Pancho? Or Mac?
Just 'cos they can acknowledge a dude who puts up a good fight (similar to the Predator fighting Dutch hadn to hand) doesn't equate to them being "honourable". How much "honour" is there is blowing yourself and everything in a certain radius up when you lose?
Honor is what it is. Every society and subculture has their own sense of whats honorable and whats not. If a western man kills himself, its considered dishonorable. If a samurai kills himself, he reclaims his honor.
Would you see a hunter shoot off a back of lions, only to take on the male tooth and nail? Some would consider this stupid, others honorable. Like I said, you may not agree to the hunters honor code, but tell that to the man in the gillie suit carrying the rifle.
QuoteHow much "honour" is there is blowing yourself and everything in a certain radius up when you lose?
I would chiefly say that that's pride. They are proud of their technology, obviously, and the last thing they want is humans stealing it, analyzing it and modifying it.
QuoteHow much "honour" did Blain get? Or Pancho? Or Mac?
Just 'cos they can acknowledge a dude who puts up a good fight (similar to the Predator fighting Dutch hadn to hand) doesn't equate to them being "honourable".
Honour is honesty, fairness or integrity in one's beliefs or actions. The predators are honourable in the fact that they only kill armed people who are in fighting condition and who are the most dangerous. Just because it shoots Blain from far away doesn't mean he's being unfair. Arguably, Blain has more firepower than the predator and is on high alert. I wouldn't call it dishonourable: I'd call it skill.
QuoteWould you see a hunter shoot off a back of lions, only to take on the male tooth and nail? Some would consider this stupid, others honorable. Like I said, you may not agree to the hunters honor code, but tell that to the man in the gillie suit carrying the rifle.
A lion can and will kill you. A deer can't - generally - can't.
If you choose to take it on hand to hand, when you have better choices to either escape or shoot it, then you're an idiot. Not even an honourable idiot; just an idiot.
QuoteI would chiefly say that that's pride. They are proud of their technology, obviously, and the last thing they want is humans stealing it, analyzing it and modifying it.
I would chiefly call that being a sore loser.
QuoteArguably, Blain has more firepower than the predator and is on high alert. I wouldn't call it dishonourable: I'd call it skill.
Where's the skill in being completely invisible and using your superior technology to aim for you at a target from long range, then blow a hole through it's chest?
QuoteI would chiefly call that being a sore loser.
It's a fine line. I always interpreted it as a last ditch effort to protect his technology and keep traces of his race to a minimum so that they could continue their hunting tradition.
QuoteWhere's the skill in being completely invisible and using your superior technology to aim for you at a target from long range, then blow a hole through it's chest?
I guess you're right. The real skill is in infiltrating the teams' ranks to retrieve the body without being caught.
Yes, that's definately a skill, cos even cloaked he could easily be spotted at that close range.
QuoteIt's a fine line. I always interpreted it as a last ditch effort to protect his technology and keep traces of his race to a minimum so that they could continue their hunting tradition.
Either way it doesn't equate to any sort of honour. You took on the prey and you lost. If there was honour involved you'd simply die and to the victor, the spoils.
QuoteEither way it doesn't equate to any sort of honour. You took on the prey and you lost. If there was honour involved you'd simply die and to the victor, the spoils.
Unless, of course, he was upholding his cultures' rules concerning a situation such as that (i.e on the rare occasions when they are defeated). Therefore, to us, what he did wasn't very honourable, but to them, he kept their technology out of human hands and knowledge of their species to a minimum. What's honourable to us is probably not the same as what is honourable to them.
QuoteYes, that's definately a skill, cos even cloaked he could easily be spotted at that close range.
For some reason, I can't tell whether or not this is sarcasm or if you're genuinely agreeing with me...
I'm agreeing.
QuoteUnless, of course, he was upholding his cultures' rules concerning a situation such as that (i.e on the rare occasions when they are defeated).
Hence my initial comment "They simply have rules".
QuoteHence my initial comment "They simply have rules".
Which he was upholding to the best of his abilities, thus being honourable in his cultures' eyes. Now we can both be correct. ;)
I think if Alien fans got their strongest Alien and Predator fans got their strongest Predator, and they fought, the Pred would win.
Quote from: BLAIN on Sep 06, 2010, 01:40:15 AM
QuoteHence my initial comment "They simply have rules".
Which he was upholding to the best of his abilities, thus being honourable in his cultures' eyes. Now we can both be correct. ;)
Well put Blain. Honor is defined by the ones who make the rules. Your personal code of honor is obviously different to a hunter, and definately to a hunting race. What you consider cowardly, they consider a prize kill. In my opinion, Billy's death was honorable. Others look at it as stupid insanity. Each to their own.
Billy's is an odd one. They'd tried shooting at it and trapping it, so he tried something different. If Billy was dealing with a lion (ie. a known quantity) then he'd be stupid.
The honour in Billy's death though is in that fact it can be interpreted as a delaying tactic so his comrades (those left at this point) could "get to da choppah".
I see that argument being made, but given that he seemed...I dunno, off...in the film he was probably just nutty. I seriously doubt his intention was honour and to buy his friends some time.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Sep 06, 2010, 01:42:32 AM
I think if Alien fans got their strongest Alien and Predator fans got their strongest Predator, and they fought, the Pred would win.
Pretty much all Aliens have the same or ridiculously similar strength and fitness, though.
QuoteI see that argument being made, but given that he seemed...I dunno, off...in the film he was probably just nutty. I seriously doubt his intention was honour and to buy his friends some time.
His own personal honour had more to do with it (ie. he had to display to the world at large how big his bollocks were).
Though this has zilch to do with Predator 'honour'.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 06, 2010, 02:00:46 AM
Pretty much all Aliens have the same or ridiculously similar strength and fitness, though.
I meant, like a Praetorian or sumfin'.
It had nothing to do with Predator honor. The way I saw it was he was scared (and he aint afraid of no man) and saw all his buddys butchered and thought "F$% it, we're all gonna die, Im going out my way." I never saw it as billy thinking he was going to win. That was never his intention. It was facing the beast head on. Judging from Pred 1&2, I always saw the preds mark a target early on in their mission. That is their ultimate trophy. All others leading up to that kill are for fun or strategy. But the marked skull is the one that matters.
Predator is winning.
Thought not for the right reasons (AVP:R).
Who said the bulk of votes stem from people having seen Requiem?
Is it an Alien or Predator thread ? or a Alien vs Predator thread?
The formar, I believe.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Sep 06, 2010, 01:38:02 PM
Is it an Alien or Predator thread ? or a Alien vs Predator thread?
Same idea.
Quote from: SM on Sep 06, 2010, 01:53:01 AM
The honour in Billy's death though is in that fact it can be interpreted as a delaying tactic so his comrades (those left at this point) could "get to da choppah".
Yeah, that worked out real well. Seeing as the three remaining characters have exactly enough time to turn around and hear Billy's off-screen death yowl before the Predator is
right on top of them.
That thing can move.
Not sure Billy was really all there. From the get-go even, he didn't strike me as a particularly sharp guy.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Sep 11, 2010, 02:11:25 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 06, 2010, 01:53:01 AM
The honour in Billy's death though is in that fact it can be interpreted as a delaying tactic so his comrades (those left at this point) could "get to da choppah".
Yeah, that worked out real well. Seeing as the three remaining characters have exactly enough time to turn around and hear Billy's off-screen death yowl before the Predator is right on top of them.
That thing can move.
Ain't hindsight a wonderful thing?
I doubt he knew the meaning of the word lol
Bit harsh on Sharp Sticks there...
Predators b/c they`re far superior and it brought a whole new taste to Alien/Monster movies, and Horror movies in general.
Why horror movies, Predator/P2 isn't horror. It's action/sci-fi.
And they were beaten to the punch at that by a good decade.
Aliens. They are living weapons, the incarnation of sexuality, fear, and savagery given form. A Predator might be a mighty warrior, but they pall against the physical perfection of the Alien.
Okay, fanboyishness aside, the Aliens still win. They have an exo-skeleton that deflects armor-piercing explosive 10mm bullets, a prehensile bladed tail with the strength to whip around the body of a hunter at will, razor-sharp claws, a tongue that punches through pred-metal, and a life-cycle that makes them nearly impossible to eliminate.
Quote from: Xenomorph--066 on Oct 03, 2010, 11:51:38 PM
They have an exo-skeleton that deflects armor-piercing explosive 10mm bullets
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You sure?
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 04, 2010, 04:31:19 PM
Quote from: Xenomorph--066 on Oct 03, 2010, 11:51:38 PM
They have an exo-skeleton that deflects armor-piercing explosive 10mm bullets
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m191/Izzys88/Aliens/picture031-2.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m191/Izzys88/Aliens/picture021-2.jpg
You sure?
:D ROFL. You should have put the scene were Vasquez was shooting in a xeno head with her 45ACP (one of the less perforative ammo on the market)
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Oct 04, 2010, 06:34:24 PM
:D ROFL. You should have put the scene were Vasquez was shooting in a xeno head at point blank (and clearly needing most of the clip to actually get through the skull to do any actual damage) with her 45ACP (one of the less perforative ammo on the market)
Fixed that for you.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 04, 2010, 09:10:43 PM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Oct 04, 2010, 06:34:24 PM
:D ROFL. You should have put the scene were Vasquez was shooting in a xeno head at point blank (and clearly needing most of the clip to actually get through the skull to do any actual damage) with her 45ACP (one of the less perforative ammo on the market)
Fixed that for you.
Nope i rewatched the scene to be sure. First shot at the head = One hole ,or the impact area very deeply curve (a bite like a hole was dig in it)
I'm not saying 1 45ACP round = 1 dead xeno
But the first round did huge damages and at the end of the clip the head was just smash potatoes (but the xeno still moving or convulsing).
In the best case the second round very clearly make the perforation.
I said through the skull. The thing didn't start bleeding after the first two shots.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 04, 2010, 10:21:23 PM
I said through the skull. The thing didn't start bleeding after the first two shots.
To be honest, in this scene (vasquez shootign xeno with 45ACP) i see not xeno blood form the beginning to the end.
I clearly see a perforation since the 1/2 shot , after these, his head started to get transformed in smashed potatoes. But the xeno blood?
I gonna rewatch this again.
Yeah, it's the stuff that, y'know, starts melting Vasquez' foot?
Quote from: SiL on Oct 04, 2010, 10:43:56 PM
Yeah, it's the stuff that, y'know, starts melting Vasquez' foot?
I know :D i'm not saying that the xeno blood doesn't exist in this scene,
I'm saying that actually i can't clearly see it. Or when it strats to shows up.
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 04, 2010, 04:31:19 PM
Quote from: Xenomorph--066 on Oct 03, 2010, 11:51:38 PM
They have an exo-skeleton that deflects armor-piercing explosive 10mm bullets
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m191/Izzys88/Aliens/picture031-2.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m191/Izzys88/Aliens/picture021-2.jpg
You sure?
Never said it does it
well.
And their skeleton ain't exo.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Oct 04, 2010, 10:05:29 PM
Nope i rewatched the scene to be sure. First shot at the head = One hole ,or the impact area very deeply curve (a bite like a hole was dig in it)
I'm not saying 1 45ACP round = 1 dead xeno
But the first round did huge damages and at the end of the clip the head was just smash potatoes (but the xeno still moving or convulsing).
In the best case the second round very clearly make the perforation.
Aliens aren't bullet proof, which is why they were given acid blood, to make sure Alien didn't end with someone shooting and killing the Alien as soon as it appears.
Quote from: SM on Oct 05, 2010, 01:30:15 AM
And their skeleton ain't exo.
It's a meso, we both know that. ;) :)
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 04, 2010, 04:31:19 PM
Quote from: Xenomorph--066 on Oct 03, 2010, 11:51:38 PM
They have an exo-skeleton that deflects armor-piercing explosive 10mm bullets
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m191/Izzys88/Aliens/picture031-2.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m191/Izzys88/Aliens/picture021-2.jpg
You sure?
Depends from the angle. Gorman shoots one but one or two bullets just bounce off.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Oct 05, 2010, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 05, 2010, 01:30:15 AM
And their skeleton ain't exo.
It's a meso, we both know that. ;) :)
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 04, 2010, 04:31:19 PM
Quote from: Xenomorph--066 on Oct 03, 2010, 11:51:38 PM
They have an exo-skeleton that deflects armor-piercing explosive 10mm bullets
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m191/Izzys88/Aliens/picture031-2.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m191/Izzys88/Aliens/picture021-2.jpg
You sure?
Depends from the angle. Gorman shoots one but one or two bullets just bounce off.
Gorman's not shooting with 10mm armour piercing explosive tipped rounds.
Oh, sorry. Thought Vasquez used those, and that Gorman used her same gun... must rewatch the film.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Oct 05, 2010, 01:17:52 PM
Oh, sorry. Thought Vasquez used those, and that Gorman used her same gun... must rewatch the film.
Vasquez was using a 9mm (9x19para) S&W automatic pistol , with ivory (or ivory like) grips
I know i used to say she was using a 1911 , but after a closer view i realized i was wrong.
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While Gorman was using a H&K VP 70 9x19 parabellum
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I think we're being overly pedantic here.
The basic point is that Aliens block some bullets. That's pretty incredible for a man-sized adversary with no technology.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 05, 2010, 02:27:47 PM
I think we're being overly pedantic here.
The basic point is that Aliens block some bullets. That's pretty incredible for a man-sized adversary with no technology.
8 feet! i wouldn't call that a man-size , but i understand your point. ;)
For the alien blocking bullets , i would rather say make "bullet slides" on him. Given the fact the some bullets seems to slide when hitting roudness xeno area (forhead, shoulder)
This things usualy happen in skittle shooting competition , when you don't prefectly hit the middle of a skittle the bullet slides on it (and sometime the skittle doesn't even fall)
But whatever it still impressing.
EDIT: i've already see a 300winchest magnum bullet (120grain projectil if i remember well) complelty get smashed (and explode) on the european wild boar shoulder (it KO him put he quickly get back on his feet at strated to run)
That's also f*cking impressive.
That what happen when you use a too light projectil with too a very hight speed load. (i never made the mistake twice)
Well, if I wanna be pedantic, I can also say that Aliens dodge bullets. :P
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 05, 2010, 04:39:43 PM
Well, if I wanna be pedantic, I can also say that Aliens dodge bullets. :P
Given the speed of these projectils i wouldn't even call them bullets , but more "micro perforative nade"
But still very impressive
EDIT: what means "pedantic"
Pedantic=cynical/hard-ass.
PEDANTIC:
–adjective
1.
ostentatious in one's learning.
2.
overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, esp. in teaching.
Well thanks both of you ;)
Valaquen's second definition is the one I was using, as he rightly pointed out.
Predators because they can rip off ur head with their bare hands. But i still love alien and predator.
Predator for sure. The Yautja are skilled hunters, they train themselves to be the best species of galactic warriors.
Aliens have a fairly indestructuable body but are still parasites that depend on a host to procreate. No host, no offspring. Sure the queen was smart enough to use an elevator in Aliens, but other than that they do not advance as a species.
'Course, there's the argument that they've reached an evolutionary and intellectual pinnacle.
What intellectual pinnacle? They don't show much more intelligence than JP raptors.
Which may be their intellectual pinnacle.
that and they turned off the power, know how to work elevators, know what some buttons do from just watching, and how fast they learn is shocking.
Quote from: The Ghoul on Nov 13, 2010, 01:44:36 AM
that and they turned off the power, know how to work elevators, know what some buttons do from just watching, and how fast they learn is shocking.
To be fair the xeno in A:R were not pure and contained more human DNA than usual. Heightened intelligence may have been a by product. And the elevator thing, well, ripley did push that button a lot. It may have activated both elevators. Then again thats speculation. Cutting the power was pretty smart though.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Nov 13, 2010, 01:38:34 AM
Which may be their intellectual pinnacle.
And that isn't much when we've already seen it before.
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 13, 2010, 03:35:37 AM
Quote from: The Ghoul on Nov 13, 2010, 01:44:36 AM
that and they turned off the power, know how to work elevators, know what some buttons do from just watching, and how fast they learn is shocking.
To be fair the xeno in A:R were not pure and contained more human DNA than usual. Heightened intelligence may have been a by product. And the elevator thing, well, ripley did push that button a lot. It may have activated both elevators. Then again thats speculation. Cutting the power was pretty smart though.
That's has nothing to do with the thread. But i really really like your berserker avatar and signature, is it the one from NECA?
'cause That's how those preds should look like
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 12, 2010, 11:18:43 PM
What intellectual pinnacle? They don't show much more intelligence than JP raptors.
Cutting of power to a specific section of a high-budget, interplanetary corporate installation is pretty impressive.
I doubt you or I could do it, for instance.
What strikes me as intelligent about the Aliens is their combination of being absolutely decisive and absolutely correct in almost all situations. They take a course of action instantly after being alerted of new information, and their behaviour almost always works in their favour. I suspect it's because they don't bother to ask questions we'd spend lots of time musing over; they already have the all the answers that are relevant to them.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 13, 2010, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 12, 2010, 11:18:43 PM
What intellectual pinnacle? They don't show much more intelligence than JP raptors.
Cutting of power to a specific section of a high-budget, interplanetary corporate installation is pretty impressive.
I doubt you or I could do it, for instance.
What strikes me as intelligent about the Aliens is their combination of being absolutely decisive and absolutely correct in almost all situations. They take a course of action instantly after being alerted of new information, and their behaviour almost always works in their favour. I suspect it's because they don't bother to ask questions we'd spend lots of time musing over; they already have the all the answers that are relevant to them.
Don't underestimate yourself man ;) ;D
Dudes and dudettes...
The Alien went hiding properly in the Narcissus when Ripley activated DA BOMB.
Pretty sure it ain't a case.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Nov 08, 2010, 02:59:19 PM
Predator for sure. The Yautja are skilled hunters, they train themselves to be the best species of galactic warriors.
Aliens have a fairly indestructuable body but are still parasites that depend on a host to procreate. No host, no offspring. Sure the queen was smart enough to use an elevator in Aliens, but other than that they do not advance as a species.
Why should they advance? Would an Alien drinking tea or some such really make them more interesting? Besides, if the AVP movies are anything to go by, they already manage just fine killing the elite galactic warriors. Without training or gadgets.
Quote from: Mus on Nov 13, 2010, 06:52:17 PM
Would an Alien drinking tea or some such really make them more interesting?
An Alien....
...drinking
tea...
Hell yes man.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 13, 2010, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 12, 2010, 11:18:43 PM
What intellectual pinnacle? They don't show much more intelligence than JP raptors.
Cutting of power to a specific section of a high-budget, interplanetary corporate installation is pretty impressive.
I doubt you or I could do it, for instance.
What strikes me as intelligent about the Aliens is their combination of being absolutely decisive and absolutely correct in almost all situations. They take a course of action instantly after being alerted of new information, and their behaviour almost always works in their favour. I suspect it's because they don't bother to ask questions we'd spend lots of time musing over; they already have the all the answers that are relevant to them.
An installation they had infested for what was presumably a very long time. It's not as if they just stumbled upon the wires at random so they knew what they were looking for.
A raptor on the other hand, I would think, hadn't seen a door handle before and just opened one up the first time it saw one, and still managed to stay one step ahead of the humans in the end before the T.Rex got them.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 14, 2010, 12:28:49 AM
An installation they had infested for what was presumably a very long time.
Only a few weeks.
I wouldn't have a clue what cable did what unless I read it, or asked. Neither option was available to them.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 13, 2010, 05:26:15 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 12, 2010, 11:18:43 PM
What intellectual pinnacle? They don't show much more intelligence than JP raptors.
Cutting of power to a specific section of a high-budget, interplanetary corporate installation is pretty impressive.
I doubt you or I could do it, for instance.
What strikes me as intelligent about the Aliens is their combination of being absolutely decisive and absolutely correct in almost all situations. They take a course of action instantly after being alerted of new information, and their behaviour almost always works in their favour. I suspect it's because they don't bother to ask questions we'd spend lots of time musing over; they already have the all the answers that are relevant to them.
Most of the time this requires sacrificing one or more of their own. Everytime they gained advantage in Aliens, they lost quite a few of their ranks in the process. This can be seen as swarming their enemy and taking a few losses to gain victory. Not a bad tactic, hell it worked most of the time, but its not necessarily a sign of intelligence.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 14, 2010, 02:31:09 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 14, 2010, 12:28:49 AM
An installation they had infested for what was presumably a very long time.
Only a few weeks.
I wouldn't have a clue what cable did what unless I read it, or asked. Neither option was available to them.
Just cut them all until the power goes down. Simple.
The Aliens only paid in casualties when testing the turrets. Otherwise, the only thing that prevented them from completely overrunning everyone was Ripley's call about them using a different way to get inside the room.
No Ripley and no motion tracker would end in completely dead 'reens.
There were alien casualties throughout the film. There were more Aliens killed than marines and they were outnumbered over 10-1.
The Aliens took about three casualties in the hive, and only towards the end of the conflict. Before that, they took down almost ten marines entirely unscathed.
In the Ops. battle, the Aliens were forced into narrow lanes of fire for a little while, but that's really it.
I don't know which to prefer. I like them in their own ways.
*whispers in ear*
Alien...
Crowe and Frost died from friendly fire. Spunkmeyer is thought to have died in the drop ship explosion. While these deaths can be argued that they were caused by way of action from the aliens, they weren't direct deaths. Vasquez, Hudson, Drake and even Gorman managed to take out several xeno either during combat and during their deaths. The alien that killed Ferro died as a result so this is balanced. Dietrich, Apone and Wierzbowski are the only ones that were killed without taking any xeno with them that we know of. Hicks and Ripley also clocked up the kill count. There were more xeno casualties by marine fire then there were marine deaths by xenos despite having an overwhelming advantage.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 14, 2010, 07:33:15 AM
*whispers in ear*
Alien...
*whispers in ear*
Don't let him get to the border.
I wonder if the predator votes are so much higher because of the new movie?
Last time i truely paid attention to the poll they were almost tied. ???
I can't see s**t because I have to vote to see, what are the votes?
Aliens 378
Pred 480
just vote for one bro, doesn't really matter no one can see your vote anyways but yeah aliens is like down 100.
IT DOES MATTER!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DGFuHC75aY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DGFuHC75aY#)
^ I love that scene.
But if you can't decide a good way to do it is flip a coin!
Really?
... I must vote?
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lytZ7fYOlgU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lytZ7fYOlgU#ws)
Spoiler
Alien
YAY ALIENS JUST WENT UP +1 :D
Just need 101 more and its deuce.
Be funny if all of the other 14k memebers decide to vote for aliens.
Quote from: The Ghoul on Nov 14, 2010, 08:20:25 AM
YAY ALIENS JUST WENT UP +1 :D
Just livin life. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXzlKu5cus8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXzlKu5cus8#)
Quote from: The Ghoul on Nov 14, 2010, 08:28:20 AM
Be funny if all of the other 14k memebers decide to vote for aliens.
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:D
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 14, 2010, 02:32:29 AM
Just cut them all until the power goes down. Simple.
Except they clearly didn't do this. They got the one that cut out Operations specifically.
Quote from: SpacePredator on Nov 14, 2010, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: The Ghoul on Nov 14, 2010, 08:28:20 AM
Be funny if all of the other 14k memebers decide to vote for aliens.
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/4/22/stfugtfo128533983039687500.jpg
:D
*Senses that space predator isn't long for this world. :P*
lol.
Well what do you know? I could of voted for preds for all that you know? ;D
Quote from: SiL on Nov 14, 2010, 10:00:06 AM
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 14, 2010, 02:32:29 AM
Just cut them all until the power goes down. Simple.
Except they clearly didn't do this. They got the one that cut out Operations specifically.
Assuming the complex was wired in a similar fashion to current buildings, just cut all the wires to ops. Simple.
It would take some pretty good reasoning to cut all the power to Ops. specifically, though.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 14, 2010, 10:27:37 AM
It would take some pretty good reasoning to cut all the power to Ops. specifically, though.
Again we assume they intentionally cut the power and it wasn't the result of acid burn or something similar. A lot of acid got sprayed around outside, it's possible this effected a lot more of the structure than we realise. If it was intentional then yes, that is quite impressive.
It was intentional. Jimbo gives us the lowdown in the commentary.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 14, 2010, 10:46:25 AM
It was intentional. Jimbo gives us the lowdown in the commentary.
Then yes I agree, that is quite intelligent. I still dont think that the actual act of cutting the power is all that remarkable (as stated earlier: find wires, cut) but actually knowing the significance of cutting the power as a tactic is quite intelligent. This single act in itself serves as the strongest argument to your point in the entire series. Well played.
/manly nod
You know, it usually take waaaay longer to prove that point. Mr. Perry wasn't having any of it, for instance.
I am a man of logic. If what you are saying sounds logical then I have no choice than to agree with you.
Quote from: SpacePredator on Nov 14, 2010, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: The Ghoul on Nov 14, 2010, 08:28:20 AM
Be funny if all of the other 14k memebers decide to vote for aliens.
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/4/22/stfugtfo128533983039687500.jpg
:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXzlKu5cus8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXzlKu5cus8#)
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 14, 2010, 02:53:15 PM
/manly nod
You know, it usually take waaaay longer to prove that point. Mr. Perry wasn't having any of it, for instance.
He likes his Aliens dumb.
I guess the difference is I asked for an example of intelligence and you gave it to me. I prefer to enter all debates with an open mind and hopefully I can learn something. Mr. Perry obviously has his mind set on his perception of Aliens and he's content to stick to it. I guess because I haven't published any material on the topic and I have never made money off the franchise so there's no harm in learning new things and being proven wrong. A man in his position probably can't afford to backtrack and choses to support his thoughts 110%.
TBH one alien has more strength in its tail alone than a Predator has in its entire body.
Based on...
The Alien has far appeal for me because of its element of pure chaotic beauty; much luck Ash or Golic's admiration/obsession with the creature.
Predators....
(Insert as many jokes about me as you want)
Quote from: Predator Queen on Jan 04, 2011, 07:07:52 AM
Predators....
(Insert as many jokes about me as you want)
+1
I guess you would like to be... Predated.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh
I like preds mohr. They have much more possibilites annd options. They can really improve themselves, and the whole concept is so full of potential... also they are brutal yet sapient. Like a tribal et, khewl. But I luv aliens too.
Aliens are very basic as creatures. The only mystique that surrounds them is in their biology and origin. But beyond that...
The Aliens are my favorite cause of their design. I especially like the fact that they have no visible eyes and have a second mouth. ;D
Quote from: Predator Queen on Jan 07, 2011, 03:13:14 AM
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 04, 2011, 02:23:18 PM
Quote from: Predator Queen on Jan 04, 2011, 07:07:52 AM
Predators....
(Insert as many jokes about me as you want)
+1
I am a Predatard XP
We know, but at least you are the "Queen" of the Predatards. :D
No you don't get it you know how there's Narutards (A obsessive fan of the anime Naruto) and Twitards (A obsessive fan of the book Twilight) I made something called Predatards (A obsessive fan of Predators)
Ah, thanks. :)
Quote from: Predator Queen on Jan 09, 2011, 12:03:27 AM
No you don't get it you know how there's Narutards (A obsessive fan of the anime Naruto) and Twitards (A obsessive fan of the book Twilight) I made something called Predatards (A obsessive fan of Predators)
I guess I'm a huge Predatard then?
Some idiot in school tried to insult me by telling me I look like a unmasked Predator, unbeknown to him I took that as a huge compliment ;D
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jan 09, 2011, 02:48:21 AM
Quote from: Predator Queen on Jan 09, 2011, 12:03:27 AM
No you don't get it you know how there's Narutards (A obsessive fan of the anime Naruto) and Twitards (A obsessive fan of the book Twilight) I made something called Predatards (A obsessive fan of Predators)
I guess I'm a huge Predatard then?
Some idiot in school tried to insult me by telling me I look like a unmasked Predator, unbeknown to him I took that as a huge compliment ;D
wait this idiot thought your face is a vagina? Ok that idiot got problems. ;D
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jan 09, 2011, 02:48:21 AM
Quote from: Predator Queen on Jan 09, 2011, 12:03:27 AM
No you don't get it you know how there's Narutards (A obsessive fan of the anime Naruto) and Twitards (A obsessive fan of the book Twilight) I made something called Predatards (A obsessive fan of Predators)
I guess I'm a huge Predatard then?
Some idiot in school tried to insult me by telling me I look like a unmasked Predator, unbeknown to him I took that as a huge compliment ;D
Hahaha cool you should have gotten into his face and be like rawr your girlfreind can suck my mandible
Quote from: Predator Queen on Jan 09, 2011, 04:16:56 AM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jan 09, 2011, 02:48:21 AM
Quote from: Predator Queen on Jan 09, 2011, 12:03:27 AM
No you don't get it you know how there's Narutards (A obsessive fan of the anime Naruto) and Twitards (A obsessive fan of the book Twilight) I made something called Predatards (A obsessive fan of Predators)
I guess I'm a huge Predatard then?
Some idiot in school tried to insult me by telling me I look like a unmasked Predator, unbeknown to him I took that as a huge compliment ;D
Hahaha cool you should have gotten into his face and be like rawr your girlfreind can suck my mandible
Lol if he even has a girlfriend :P
So tell him that then haha
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jan 09, 2011, 02:48:21 AM
Some idiot in school tried to insult me by telling me I look like a unmasked Predator, unbeknown to him I took that as a huge compliment ;D
I gotta see this. Post a picture of yourself. ;D
Holy cow did Master Chief just come back, I didn't see him post for ages. :D
Someone woke me. 8)
Good, we needed you!
Alien. because Predator never gave me nightmares.
Predators all the way!!!
In 3...2....1.......
Quote from: STAGIN 26 on Jan 13, 2011, 01:48:51 AM
PREDATORS ALL THE WAY- ALIENS ARE IN A WAY, UNTHINKING ANIMALS. THEIR WHOLE LIFE CYCLE IS SYSTEMATIC, LAY EGG,HATCH,INFEST,KILL,REPRODUCE,LAY EGG,HATCH,INFEST,KILL,ECT.
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Quote from: STAGIN 26 on Jan 13, 2011, 01:48:51 AM
PREDATORS ALL THE WAY- ALIENS ARE IN A WAY, UNTHINKING ANIMALS. THEIR WHOLE LIFE CYCLE IS SYSTEMATIC, LAY EGG,HATCH,INFEST,KILL,REPRODUCE,LAY EGG,HATCH,INFEST,KILL,ECT.
Hey, don't insult the Aliens. One could make an argument saying the humans' way of life is systematic as well; birth, grow up, go to school, go to work, reproduce, birth, grow up, go to school, go to work, reproduce, etc.
Predator!...
Its cooler and you know it! :-*
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 13, 2011, 04:11:08 AM
Quote from: STAGIN 26 on Jan 13, 2011, 01:48:51 AM
PREDATORS ALL THE WAY- ALIENS ARE IN A WAY, UNTHINKING ANIMALS. THEIR WHOLE LIFE CYCLE IS SYSTEMATIC, LAY EGG,HATCH,INFEST,KILL,REPRODUCE,LAY EGG,HATCH,INFEST,KILL,ECT.
Hey, don't insult the Aliens. One could make an argument saying the humans' way of life is systematic as well; birth, grow up, go to school, go to work, reproduce, birth, grow up, go to school, go to work, reproduce, etc.
I find myself agreeing with Predxeno on this one. 8)
However you all forgot the die part of it all.
Quote from: STAGIN 26 on Jan 13, 2011, 01:48:51 AM
PREDATORS ALL THE WAY- ALIENS ARE IN A WAY, UNTHINKING ANIMALS. THEIR WHOLE LIFE CYCLE IS SYSTEMATIC, LAY EGG,HATCH,INFEST,KILL,REPRODUCE,LAY EGG,HATCH,INFEST,KILL,ECT.
That's the fun part! I am not the biggest Alien fan but I do respect them! Things like what you just said start flame wars ...don't start a flame war... we have lost plenty since AVPR... we will never forget...
Quote from: STAGIN 26 on Jan 13, 2011, 01:48:51 AM
PREDATORS ALL THE WAY- ALIENS ARE IN A WAY, UNTHINKING ANIMALS. THEIR WHOLE LIFE CYCLE IS SYSTEMATIC, LAY EGG,HATCH,INFEST,KILL,REPRODUCE,LAY EGG,HATCH,INFEST,KILL,ECT.
DON'T POST ALL CAPS!
IT'S WRONG POSTING ALL CAPS!
IT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF REAL LIFE SHOUTING!
SO DON'T USE IT, OKEY?
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All caps just makes you more right.
I'm getting mixed messages.
You're just thinking too much.
Funny, that's rarely my dilemma.
I've noticed ;D ;)
Yeah. Help, help, I'm being oppressed!
I think the Aliens have better movies, but I like that the Predators are individuals with distinct personalities. So I'm going with those guys. But I like both in their own way. It depends on what mood I'm in at the time really.
I have to say IMO Predators are to human like, but Aliens are alien, they have semi-intelligence (some of the ones in A:R) but they also have this animal like feel to them. They're not going to invade, they're going to eat. Predators are awesome, but Alien has it's advantages (who could possibly dislike the concept of acid blood?).
Quote from: Tyrannosaur on Jan 27, 2011, 11:04:18 AM
(who could possibly dislike the concept of acid blood?).
Drake.
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Quote from: Tyrannosaur on Jan 27, 2011, 11:04:18 AM
(who could possibly dislike the concept of acid blood?).
Drake.
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Quote from: Tyrannosaur on Jan 27, 2011, 11:04:18 AM
I have to say IMO Predators are to human like, but Aliens are alien, they have semi-intelligence (some of the ones in A:R) but they also have this animal like feel to them. They're not going to invade, they're going to eat. Predators are awesome, but Alien has it's advantages (who could possibly dislike the concept of acid blood?).
Aliens are a plague and they must be destroyed! I do like that they don't hurt kitty cats though.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 27, 2011, 05:00:14 PM
I do like that they don't hurt kitty cats though.
Not so in the special edition.
Bwa-tunk.
I don't do special editions. 8)
Classy.
Predator lol. Just last night, after closing and locking up the building alone after work, this forum came into mind. From spending too much time in the Alien film threads I actually scared myself and ended up searching my vehicle before getting in it lol. Not that I actually thought there might be aliens (before Sharp Sticks puts a rush on my tin foil hat) but it was late/dark and that horror movie creepiness set in. :-[
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 27, 2011, 06:18:02 PM
Predator lol. Just last night, after closing and locking up the building alone after work, this forum came into mind. From spending too much time in the Alien film threads I actually scared myself and ended up searching my vehicle before getting in it lol. Not that I actually thought there might be aliens (before Sharp Sticks puts a rush on my tin foil hat) but it was late/dark and that horror movie creepiness set in. :-[
I've had nights like that before. I still love alien more but god a few years ago i was truely freaked out.
aliens are so cool when i was 6 or 7 i saw aliens vs predator and i instantly made a bond with the aliens after that i got all the alien dvds dont get me wrong preds are cool (thats why i got all pred dvds to!) but the aliens are so unique but dont get me started on marines i mean there so rubbish theyre not even in the titles :laugh:
Quote from: Xenomorph x on Feb 03, 2011, 11:39:40 PM
aliens are so cool when i was 6 or 7 i saw aliens vs predator and i instantly made a bond with the aliens after that i got all the alien dvds dont get me wrong preds are cool (thats why i got all pred dvds to!) but the aliens are so unique but dont get me started on marines i mean there so rubbish theyre not even in the titles :laugh:
Yeah!! You said it.
Quote from: Xenomorph x on Feb 03, 2011, 11:39:40 PM
aliens are so cool when i was 6 or 7 i saw aliens vs predator and i instantly made a bond with the aliens after that i got all the alien dvds dont get me wrong preds are cool (thats why i got all pred dvds to!) but the aliens are so unique but dont get me started on marines i mean there so rubbish theyre not even in the titles :laugh:
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Quote from: Xenomorph x on Feb 03, 2011, 11:39:40 PM
aliens are so cool when i was 6 or 7 i saw aliens vs predator and i instantly made a bond with the aliens after that i got all the alien dvds dont get me wrong preds are cool (thats why i got all pred dvds to!) but the aliens are so unique but dont get me started on marines i mean there so rubbish theyre not even in the titles :laugh:
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Sharp Sticks and Valaquen just made my day rofl.
Don't diss the marines man give them credit for having the guts to face the ALIENS I mean who in their right mind would sign up to fight Aliens? Unless you thought they meant illegal aliens ;D
I'm inclined to agree with Xenomorph x. The didn't seem like a sharp bunch aside from Hicks.
Wasn't the point I was making at all.
Quote from: Xenomorph x on Feb 03, 2011, 11:39:40 PM
but dont get me started on marines i mean there so rubbish theyre not even in the titles :laugh:
Oh yeah. Well, seriously, why would they be mentioned at all? Stupid complaint.
It's like his idea of a synopsis is cover of one of the AVP video games. Looking at the franchise through the lens of
Aliens vs Predators vs Marines shows such a fundamental misunderstanding of the scope of the themes that...that...well...
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All I have to say is with out the Tech the predators wouldn't stand a chance and sometimes with it they don't, Aliens all the way.
Celtic held in there just fine without any kind of advanced weaponry. He only lost because his ego got the better of him.
I think Predators because they are highly advanced and are very unique. They have a complicated mind and follow honor. I'm actually writing a book about them. The fact is there mind is as (or even more) intellegent then ours. They must think ahead to see the outcome of they're decisions and are highly skilled in battle. Plus they're awesome.
Quote from: YoungbloodPred on Feb 11, 2011, 03:32:29 PM
I think Predators because they are highly advanced and are very unique. They have a complicated mind and follow honor. I'm actually writing a book about them. The fact is there mind is as (or even more) intellegent then ours. They must think ahead to see the outcome of they're decisions and are highly skilled in battle. Plus they're awesome.
so true.
Aliens,because predators need fancy gadgets to win.Well,aliens just go face to face with real combat.Predators are NOT warriors,just cowards that cloak 24/7 with NO strength at ALL. ;D
Quote from: Dingo on Apr 01, 2007, 12:10:20 PM
I say predator. They fight with honor and if they lose, they blow everyting up so no one wins. It's their way or no way.
nope,they're just pussying out because they suck and arnold PWNS them. it's just showing the other stupid predators that they don't want to be noticed as a weakling.. an alien can burn his murderer with acid blood. THAT'S how nobody wins~
For me the perfect race is defenitly the alien. To say it with the words from ash: the perfect organism.
Quote from: DARKENXASSASSIN on Feb 27, 2011, 12:46:00 AM
Aliens,because predators need fancy gadgets to win.Well,aliens just go face to face with real combat.Predators are NOT warriors,just cowards that cloak 24/7 with NO strength at ALL. ;D
Welcome to the boards.
Good luck out there.
Quote from: DARKENXASSASSIN on Feb 27, 2011, 12:49:18 AM
Quote from: Dingo on Apr 01, 2007, 12:10:20 PM
I say predator. They fight with honor and if they lose, they blow everyting up so no one wins. It's their way or no way.
nope,they're just pussying out because they suck and arnold PWNS them. it's just showing the other stupid predators that they don't want to be noticed as a weakling.. an alien can burn his murderer with acid blood. THAT'S how nobody wins~
Are you serious? Which movies were you watching?
We'll never know.
I say Predators because thats what I grew up loveing plus they have some badass gagets and gizmos,awsome look and there honorable not mindless killing machines like the Aliens are. Plus they remind me off my all time favorite character Boba Fett a brutal warrior with all the gagets but still has respect and honor at the same time.
"Yipie ki yay motherf**ker!"
Predators for me.
There high tech weapons and gadgets makes them really bad***!
Also hunting other species for sport or tradition is also something to remember.
And you also need Arnold Schwarzenegger to kill one.
This makes me a Predator Fan :)
Quote from: PredatorGFX on Mar 08, 2011, 02:31:54 PM
Predators for me.
There high tech weapons and gadgets makes them really bad***!
Also hunting other species for sport or tradition is also something to remember.
And you also need Arnold Schwarzenegger to kill one.
This makes me a Predator Fan :)
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Quote from: Purebreedalien on Mar 09, 2011, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: PredatorGFX on Mar 08, 2011, 02:31:54 PM
Predators for me.
There high tech weapons and gadgets makes them really bad***!
Also hunting other species for sport or tradition is also something to remember.
And you also need Arnold Schwarzenegger to kill one.
This makes me a Predator Fan :)
http://lastrow.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/murtaugh.jpg
Is this because he is black ?
you racist bastard. :D
Quote from: PredatorGFX on Mar 09, 2011, 06:57:45 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Mar 09, 2011, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: PredatorGFX on Mar 08, 2011, 02:31:54 PM
Predators for me.
There high tech weapons and gadgets makes them really bad***!
Also hunting other species for sport or tradition is also something to remember.
And you also need Arnold Schwarzenegger to kill one.
This makes me a Predator Fan :)
http://lastrow.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/murtaugh.jpg
Is this because he is black ?
you racist bastard. :D
Y-you missed the joke entirely...
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Quote from: Purebreedalien on Mar 09, 2011, 07:41:41 PM
Quote from: PredatorGFX on Mar 09, 2011, 06:57:45 PM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Mar 09, 2011, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: PredatorGFX on Mar 08, 2011, 02:31:54 PM
Predators for me.
There high tech weapons and gadgets makes them really bad***!
Also hunting other species for sport or tradition is also something to remember.
And you also need Arnold Schwarzenegger to kill one.
This makes me a Predator Fan :)
http://lastrow.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/murtaugh.jpg
Is this because he is black ?
you racist bastard. :D
Y-you missed the joke entirely...
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I'm dutch.
so I don't understand your kind of jokes :)
Dude... he was just saying that Harrigan (Danny Glover) is just as competent at Pred killing.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 09, 2011, 07:45:04 PM
Dude... he was just saying that Harrigan (Danny Glover) is just as competent at Pred killing.
I know,
I was being sarcastic.
Sarcastic about being dutch and not understanding the joke.
Okay, got it.
Spoiler
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Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 09, 2011, 08:05:35 PM
Sarcastic about being dutch and not understanding the joke.
Okay, got it.
Spoiler
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LoL, About the racist thing.
Quote from: PredatorGFX on Mar 09, 2011, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 09, 2011, 08:05:35 PM
Sarcastic about being dutch and not understanding the joke.
Okay, got it.
Spoiler
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LoL, About the racist thing.
I yeah...huh...well...
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Harrigan is the only person to ever kill a Predator.
... a real one. Not some lame weak-ass knockoff that could only survive by virtue of its prey's incompetence.
Quote from: PredatorGFX on Mar 09, 2011, 07:43:34 PM
I'm dutch.
You son of a bitch!
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Quote from: SiL on Mar 09, 2011, 11:07:24 PM
Harrigan is the only person to ever kill a Predator.
... a real one. Not some lame weak-ass knockoff that could only survive by virtue of its prey's incompetence.
Who killed the latter?
If I'm reading Sil right, I agree.
I found Pussyface better than Anytime, predator wise.
Anytime plucked off Specail force commando's one by one sure (by pluck off I mean he didn't engage them really when they were grouped up) but however and no matter how you view it but pussyface took out about 15-20 pumped drug dealers armed to the teeth in a single tight confined room. (in record time) That takes skill if you really think about it. They might not have had the same training as commandos but in close quarters they could of easily ripped up a swat team (specially if that swat team made any mistakes). Hell they had an entire police force pretty much pinned down in the streets. Pussyface slaughted them like live stock.
Its also tougher to remain undetected in a urban eviroment then a jungle enviroment.
Also Pussyface took out a goverment strike team (that had a good understanding on what they were fighting) with grace and skill and in close combat with his cloaking offline and resticted to a more limited vision mode. He also took like what 6? 8? 12 gauge shot gun shells at point blank range and still got back up again. While anytime was forced to patch himself up from a minor leg wound. Pussyface fought well in hand to hand missing an arm for godsakes.
Also I didn't find Pussyface firing wildly with a plasma caster when he got hit harder than he would liked unlike Anytime.
Also in a city enviroment its more likely to fight targets in groups, while in a jungle its easier to single out a target from its group.
Pussyface also seemed to be more tactically sound, he was forced to fight groups so he used his head to out manuver his oppents and get them in their flank or come down from above. While Anytime was seen most of the time getting Dutch's team to split up so he could pluck them off one by one. In a city that's tougher to do, specailly in LA when there's another human another human a few feet away from you.
I won't deny that Anytime was good, he was smart and skilled. However Pussyface had tougher fights.
Now Dutch and Harrigan, well sorry to say this but I'd take Harrigan. For one you can see him aiming his gun and not firing from the hip like a hollywood movie star lol.
Quote from: The Ghoul on Mar 10, 2011, 01:10:26 AM
If I'm reading Sil right, I agree.
I found Pussyface better than Anytime, predator wise.
Anytime plucked off Specail force commando's one by one sure (by pluck off I mean he didn't engage them really when they were grouped up) but however and no matter how you view it but pussyface took out about 15-20 pumped drug dealers armed to the teeth in a single tight confined room. (in record time) That takes skill if you really think about it. They might not have had the same training as commandos but in close quarters they could of easily ripped up a swat team (specially if that swat team made any mistakes). Hell they had an entire police force pretty much pinned down in the streets. Pussyface slaughted them like live stock.
Its also tougher to remain undetected in a urban eviroment then a jungle enviroment.
Also Pussyface took out a goverment strike team (that had a good understanding on what they were fighting) with grace and skill and in close combat with his cloaking offline and resticted to a more limited vision mode. He also took like what 6? 8? 12 gauge shot gun shells at point blank range and still got back up again. While anytime was forced to patch himself up from a minor leg wound. Pussyface fought well in hand to hand missing an arm for godsakes.
Also I didn't find Pussyface firing wildly with a plasma caster when he got hit harder than he would liked unlike Anytime.
Also in a city enviroment its more likely to fight targets in groups, while in a jungle its easier to single out a target from its group.
Pussyface also seemed to be more tactically sound, he was forced to fight groups so he used his head to out manuver his oppents and get them in thier flank or come down from above. While Anytime was seen most of the time getting the Dutch's to split up so he could pluck them off one by one. In a city that's tougher to do, specailly in LA when there's another human another human a few feet away from you.
I won't deny that Anytime was good, he was smart and skilled. However Pussyface had tougher fights.
Now Dutch and Harrigan, well sorry to say this but I'd take Harrigan. For one you can see him aiming his gun and not firing from the hip like a hollywood movies star lol.
Totally agree man. Pussyface gets discounted way too often. His kill count is single-handedly higher than any Predator or Alien shown on film. Harrigan may not be an elite special forces soldier but goddamn at 6'4 and 220 pounds, he ain't one to take lightly.
Yeah I agree with you two. IMO Pussyface > Anytime. For the most part anyways. Pussyface seems to often be underestimated or undermined.
Quote from: The Ghoul on Mar 09, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
Quote from: PredatorGFX on Mar 09, 2011, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 09, 2011, 08:05:35 PM
Sarcastic about being dutch and not understanding the joke.
Okay, got it.
Spoiler
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LoL, About the racist thing.
I yeah...huh...well...
http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af320/stephan095/avpnew%20dawn%20smileys/facehugged.gif
Get it ?
being sarcastic about sarcasm ?
ah nevermind, different countries different taste of humor.
let's stay on topic.
Quote from: PredatorGFX on Mar 10, 2011, 09:51:00 PM
Quote from: The Ghoul on Mar 09, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
Quote from: PredatorGFX on Mar 09, 2011, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 09, 2011, 08:05:35 PM
Sarcastic about being dutch and not understanding the joke.
Okay, got it.
Spoiler
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LoL, About the racist thing.
I yeah...huh...well...
http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af320/stephan095/avpnew%20dawn%20smileys/facehugged.gif
Get it ?
being sarcastic about sarcasm ?
ah nevermind, different countries different taste of humor.
let's stay on topic.
I was just being stupid man, I caught the joke pretty fast. ;D
Quote from: The Ghoul on Mar 10, 2011, 01:10:26 AM
If I'm reading Sil right, I agree.
I found Pussyface better than Anytime, predator wise.
I hope those two are unrelated, cos that last part's not what I'm saying. At all.
QuoteThat takes skill if you really think about it
The Predator, while cloaked, dropped into a room full of drug-dealers who had just literally crammed cocaine into their faces and who had no room to move. That's not skill, that's a basic understanding of how a blender works -- tight space + blades = puree.
QuoteIts also tougher to remain undetected in a urban eviroment then a jungle enviroment.
Except if you just, y'know, go really high on a building. Which Pussyface did. The entire movie.
QuoteAlso Pussyface took out a goverment strike team (that had a good understanding on what they were fighting) with grace and skill and in close combat with his cloaking offline and resticted to a more limited vision mod
As I've said to other people over the years, if everyone had been using live rounds, Pussyface would have been shot to hell. Would he have been killed? No. But he received multiple sustained blasts from the liquid nitrogen guns -- replace that with live rounds and you've got a hurt Predator.
QuoteHe also took like what 6? 8? 12 gauge shot gun shells at point blank range and still got back up again.
Only two or three were direct hits; the rest glanced or hit the armour as well.
QuoteAlso I didn't find Pussyface firing wildly with a plasma caster when he got hit harder than he would liked unlike Anytime.
Anytime sprayed the area that he was hit from to try and flush out a target he couldn't see. What's wrong with that?
Anytime was such a God-damn badass that he
simply couldn't be killed by his prey. Pussyface got cut to shit, had his ass kicked halfway across the city and then got gutted like a friggin' fish. By his own weapon. At the end of the day the original Predator was the far more intelligent -- he picked his fight carefully and he owned it like a boss.
Pussyface leapt in and butchered a shitload of people, yes, but as the end of the movie showed, all that was needed for him to be stopped
at any point during that was one guy with a shotgun who wasn't a complete moron. That's a pretty tenuous thing separating his victories from a massive ass-whooping.
^ For one are you aware of what massive loads of Coke can do. For one my father had to shoot guys pumped on the shit and they won't drop from a few bullet hits at all.
Also they weren't shoulder to shoulder in there, and ontop of that he took them out in seconds, while lets say a swat team would take at least a few minutes and that's if they make no mistake and use flash bangs.
Next there's a better way to flush out an enemy then shooting in every direction.
Also ontop of that several memebers of the strike team did have live guns! Pussyface took them out first! Remeber that guy getting speared and bullets flew about the place. Only 3 of them had liquid nitrogen guns the rest had fire arms!
Plus harrigan can be seen aiming and unlike Dutch who constantly fired from the hip.
Also the final fight, anytime wasn't even hurt that bad at all. Like I said anytime is skilled but his fights were by far generally easier.
Pussyface, got shot up and lost a fricken arm. He still kicked Harrigans ass until Harrigan managed to gut him.
Dont forget that coke not only makes you stronger/resilient, it also heightens your senses making you more aware of the situation. Pussyface took out Columbians, Jamaicans, a train full of armed crims and government forces in a confined space without taking a scratch. The only time anytime was under fire like that was after "the big man was killed" and well, his blood was on the leaves.
Quote from: Ghostface on Mar 11, 2011, 12:18:21 AM
Dont forget that coke not only makes you stronger/resilient, it also heightens your senses making you more aware of the situation. Pussyface took out Columbians, Jamaicans, a train full of armed crims and government forces in a confined space without taking a scratch. The only time anytime was under fire like that was after "the big man was killed" and well, his blood was on the leaves.
Yeah coke is pretty much powdered adrenaline.
It also has a lot of the same sideffects. Its a upper, not a downer, so they would of been hyper alert like mad.
ZOMG!!11!, siL sed the pussyfacE teh suxorz!!1!!
Also makes you feel invincible. We can see this after El Scorpio shoves a fistfull of yayo in his face montana style while preparing for the cops to raid their building.
Quote from: Ghostface on Mar 11, 2011, 12:58:38 AM
Also makes you feel invincible. We can see this after El Scorpio shoves a fistfull of yayo in his face montana style while preparing for the cops to raid their building.
Well yeah man its a powerful upper.
It also gives you one hell of a boner too.
plenty of songs written about that ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3L4spg8vyo# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3L4spg8vyo#)
^ Clapton for the win.
I'd mention that just because Dannyboy says so, it's not sure Pf used only bare hands. But anyhow, seeing what prey he was going after, and the armament he carried... with the outcome we saw, Anytime easily bests Pussyface.
Quote from: The Ghoul on Mar 10, 2011, 11:14:07 PM
Also they weren't shoulder to shoulder in there,
Between all the boxes and tables they had crammed into the place, yeah, they pretty much were. There wasn't a lot of room.
Quoteand ontop of that he took them out in seconds, while lets say a swat team would take at least a few minutes and that's if they make no mistake and use flash bangs.
Predator was invisible and had an auto-targeting shoulder-mounted plasma cannon.
QuoteNext there's a better way to flush out an enemy then shooting in every direction.
Maybe, but it worked fine.
QuoteAlso ontop of that several memebers of the strike team did have live guns!
Which is why I very deliberately said "if
everybody had been using ..." :)
QuotePlus harrigan can be seen aiming and unlike Dutch who constantly fired from the hip.
Which is a convention of movie-making at the time, not a real indictment of the characters themselves. Dude still shot plenty straight.
QuoteLike I said anytime is skilled but his fights were by far generally easier.
Yes. Because he was smart and always maintained near-complete control of the situation. He absolutely dominated his prey, like an intelligent hunter. He didn't leap in and hope for the best.
QuotePussyface, got shot up and lost a fricken arm.
Which goes to show he wasn't as good, especially when you take into account he had his ass kicked by someone who had no advantages -- he was visible to the Predator at all times, had no fancy gear, and no specialist training (Not on the level the commandos would have, for example).
The original Predator had an easier time because
he made it that way. He called the shots. He was specific and discerning. The second Predator got whooped halfway across LA because he didn't think.
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Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 09, 2011, 08:05:35 PM
Sarcastic about being dutch and not understanding the joke.
Okay, got it.
Spoiler
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LoL, About the racist thing.
I yeah...huh...well...
http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af320/stephan095/avpnew%20dawn%20smileys/facehugged.gif
Get it ?
being sarcastic about sarcasm ?
ah nevermind, different countries different taste of humor.
let's stay on topic.
I was just being stupid man, I caught the joke pretty fast. ;D
You are are quick learner ::)
Quote from: SiL on Mar 11, 2011, 09:06:07 AM
Quote from: The Ghoul on Mar 10, 2011, 11:14:07 PM
Also they weren't shoulder to shoulder in there,
Between all the boxes and tables they had crammed into the place, yeah, they pretty much were. There wasn't a lot of room.
Quoteand ontop of that he took them out in seconds, while lets say a swat team would take at least a few minutes and that's if they make no mistake and use flash bangs.
Predator was invisible and had an auto-targeting shoulder-mounted plasma cannon.
QuoteNext there's a better way to flush out an enemy then shooting in every direction.
Maybe, but it worked fine.
QuoteAlso ontop of that several memebers of the strike team did have live guns!
Which is why I very deliberately said "if everybody had been using ..." :)
QuotePlus harrigan can be seen aiming and unlike Dutch who constantly fired from the hip.
Which is a convention of movie-making at the time, not a real indictment of the characters themselves. Dude still shot plenty straight.
QuoteLike I said anytime is skilled but his fights were by far generally easier.
Yes. Because he was smart and always maintained near-complete control of the situation. He absolutely dominated his prey, like an intelligent hunter. He didn't leap in and hope for the best.
QuotePussyface, got shot up and lost a fricken arm.
Which goes to show he wasn't as good, especially when you take into account he had his ass kicked by someone who had no advantages -- he was visible to the Predator at all times, had no fancy gear, and no specialist training (Not on the level the commandos would have, for example).
The original Predator had an easier time because he made it that way. He called the shots. He was specific and discerning. The second Predator got whooped halfway across LA because he didn't think.
Yet PF didn't use the plasma caster, no sounds of plasma fire or machine gun fire until the scared druggy ran out the door shooting.
Also Anytime would have a hard time doing those singling out tactics in a huge city like LA. I've lived there, its pretty cramped, specailly in public.
Also the commando's in predator, worst trained strike team I ever saw. I'm sorry but somtimes my real life experence gets the hold of me. My cousin is a retired Navy seal, and my father was Force Recon and my step father was a ranger.
Also anytime had magic balls of super heated plasma that doesn't cook off ammo. Blain (I think his name was blain) was shot in the back by the plasma caster, and his ammo pack is well mounted on his back. How he didn't turn into a fire cracker I have no clue. After all we all know plasma is hot, hotter then most flames. Either the ammo would of been cooked off or all of the bullets were melted into one hard mass. Either way blain's friend, wouldn't be able to use the minigun or at least not for more than second.
Also from what I see harrigan was a lot better at a straight up fight, when dutch got into one with anytime he got the living hell beaten out of him. Also anytime didn't show no where near as much hand to hand skill as PF did. It seemed more like a WWE match to me then a true brawl.
Anyways we both have our own views you say anytime is better and i say PF is better.
Preds don't fire off plasma. If they did, Anytime would've burnt down the entire forest every time he fired a shot off.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 11, 2011, 02:31:03 PM
Preds don't fire off plasma. If they did, Anytime would've burnt down the entire forest every time he fired a shot off.
Then what is it doom?
its seem pretty hot reguardless even if its blue fire balls.
Look at the wounds it give blain and other victums. It burnt the entire wound. After all they used the word; cauterized.
Just energy of some sort. If it was plasma as we know it, the leaves on the trees would have been burning whenever the shot was fired because of the enormous heat levels that are generated.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 11, 2011, 02:34:23 PM
Just energy of some sort. If it was plasma as we know it, the leaves on the trees would have been burning whenever the shot was fired because of the enormous heat levels that are generated.
We are already experementing with plasma, depends on the level and type that is used.
Anyways the fact is that crap is hot enough to melt through an ammo pack and burn through a man. That is more than enough too cook off gun powder.
Even a flame from a lighter can cook off a bullet.
I agree Blain should've lit up since the blast went through his ammo pack, but I'm just saying if it's red hot plasma, the whole forest should've been on fire.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 11, 2011, 02:40:08 PM
I agree Blain should've lit up since the blast went through his ammo pack, but I'm just saying if it's red hot plasma, the whole forest should've been on fire.
Also depends how fast its traviling.
For Example: Lightning, its made of plasma but it doesn't lite the world on fire, well minus a forest fire somtimes.
However I do agree the projectile is too slow and would most likely lite everything around it on fire within at least a 60 foot radius.
Blain should of been a fire cracker and a human torche along with the jungle.
Quote from: The Ghoul on Mar 11, 2011, 01:38:38 PM
Yet PF didn't use the plasma caster, no sounds of plasma fire or machine gun fire until the scared druggy ran out the door shooting.
There's a while between PF entering the room, and the cops reaching it, during which there's an explosion.
Also, blown-open chests, ala Blaine.
QuoteAlso from what I see harrigan was a lot better at a straight up fight, when dutch got into one with anytime he got the living hell beaten out of him.
Harrigan got in a straight-up fight with a one-armed, bullet-ridden Predator. While armed.
With the Predator's own weapon. You're really making that comparison?
QuoteAlso anytime didn't show no where near as much hand to hand skill as PF did. It seemed more like a WWE match to me then a true brawl.
Neither showed any. PF swung around a bit. Anytime just punched the shit out of Arnie's head -- what more did he need to do? They're not hand-to-hand combatants, they're
hunters.
Being a hunter doesn't mean you don't know how to fight. Especially in the case of a Predator. If there's a chance or even risk you could end up losing equipment, you'd better know how to fight.
Sure, ideally. But most fisherman aren't well-versed in wrestling sharks, and big game hunters don't plan to enter hand-to-hand combat with leopards.
That's because when you fish for sharks (some do), you're probably not using a simple fishing rod, nor are you alone. Same story with big game hunters. I don't know particulars but I would imagine if they're smart, they'll use a sniper rifle.
Or a high-tech energy gun. Anytime only picked a hand-to-hand fight with Dutch because at that point, in his eyes, Arnold was a crippled, shaved monkey with delusions of grandeur. He was just screwing around and tenderizing his hide. Doesn't mean he has any real fighting skill.
ALIENS.
Forever and always.
I like them because they appeal to me more. They are a lot more disturbing and more interesting than predators in both their aesthetic and there behaviour.
There is a lot of mystery which surrounds them which intrigues me.
I also feel that they have lots of potential surrounding them in terms of story's and fan art. Which, unfortunately has been abused by noob directors, ADI and various other parties.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 12, 2011, 01:27:02 AM
Being a hunter doesn't mean you don't know how to fight.
And it doesn't mean you do -- although for some reason Predator fans have always had this image of Predators as insanely skilled hand-to-hand combatants, when none of the movies show this.
No argument there.
I guess it's just because it seems to suit the idea of the Predator as the ultimate hunter.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 12, 2011, 03:00:51 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 12, 2011, 01:27:02 AM
Being a hunter doesn't mean you don't know how to fight.
And it doesn't mean you do -- although for some reason Predator fans have always had this image of Predators as insanely skilled hand-to-hand combatants, when none of the movies show this.
Agreed.
I think people somehow interpret them as elite warriors of the universe other than Hunters. I blame Comic books and AvP 1.
True, i really couldn't careless if they could fly.
The better alien in my book is well the xenomorph.
Always will be.
Better movies too.
Only enjoyed Aliens, I got to say, I personally think ALien, Alien3 and Alien Ressurection are kinda poor compared to the Predator movies.
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Mar 12, 2011, 06:24:59 AM
Only enjoyed Alien and Aliens, I got to say, I personally think Alien3 and Alien Ressurection are kinda poor compared to the Predator movies.
Fixed.
Quote from: samoht on Mar 12, 2011, 06:44:33 AM
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Mar 12, 2011, 06:24:59 AM
Only enjoyed Alien and Aliens, I got to say, I personally think Alien3 and Alien Ressurection are kinda poor compared to the Predator movies.
Fixed.
All this appears to be in order.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Mar 12, 2011, 06:48:35 AM
Quote from: samoht on Mar 12, 2011, 06:44:33 AM
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Mar 12, 2011, 06:24:59 AM
Only enjoyed Alien and Aliens, I got to say, I personally think Alien3 and Alien Ressurection are kinda poor compared to the Predator movies.
Fixed.
All this appears to be in order.
Yes. Very much so.
Glad the issue was corrected.
I'm pretty sure the space trucking hillbillies never excited. The movie was boring and Ripley at the time was one of my least favourites. Well, all in my opinion.
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Mar 12, 2011, 06:52:03 AM
The movie was full of suspense and Ripley at the time was one of my favourites. Well, all in my opinion.
Fixed again.
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Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Mar 12, 2011, 06:52:03 AM
The movie was full of suspense and Ripley at the time was one of my favourites. Well, all in my opinion.
Oops I broke it...
Quite...
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There are things so genius about Alien that if brought to light would make someone feel like ripping out their intestines with a duck for dissing it.
But I'm not that mean...yet. (Grinds teeth)
I don't want this to be a pissing match about which is better. I just want to know why you like one better than the other. By the way they are both awesome monster in their own way.
I'll start.
I'm a Pred guy.
I like humanoid-like monsters overall. "Creature's" second which is what I would personally classify the Alien.
Predator has behaviors that I find interesting and scary. His size and thought process on screen are more tangible to me. I can "picture" it better to think of if I actually saw a Pred I feel I have a grasp of him better overall and my imagination is more apt to it.
I love his technology, I love his "stalking" tactics. I love the noises and sounds that come from his kind (great job by McTerian and his staff with the "noises"), his "look" I think is classic, scary, intimindating etc... All the things that trip my personal imagination.
The Pred movies to me are more about being scared and hunted by the Pred. You feel more helpless against them, which is cool.
The Alien movies which I love (1, 3- great 3,4- cool) are more about you hunting the creature, seeking it out after you discover it (especially 2-4), is how I feel about them.
I love that the Pred is mysterious and nobody really wants to "know" more about it, merely survive it's wrath, where the Aliens were actually sought to be captured and studied.
Two different "feels" to each monster.
Both awesome.
But I like Pred the best.
We have tons of similar threads like this already right? I'll play along though because I don't mind answering them a lot. First off I don't consider either of them "monsters" because they are both an alien species. My likeness for Xenomorphs has grown a lot recently (after viewing the entire series) and they are a lot closer level right now then they were say a few months ago. I still prefer Yautja though. Maybe it's like 65 or maybe 70% Yautja and then 35 or 30% Xenos. I just find more fascination or likeness for the Yautja race because that they are a much more organized race you could say or in other words less savage. For example an Alien's instinct is to harvest, build a hive, and kill any intruder on their territory and always try expanding that territory of course. Where as the Yautjas can be very savage indeed but they actually have more boundaries to it most of the time. Basically Yautjas just seem more interesting and appealing. They are very intelligent, strong, fast, and agile. IMO there is just more to the race overall.
I love both creatures equally. :) I can't choose one over the other.
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Mar 17, 2011, 09:15:34 PM
I love both creatures equally. :) I can't choose one over the other.
Words of wisdom PBA. Words of wisdom.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Mar 18, 2011, 04:44:19 AM
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Mar 17, 2011, 09:15:34 PM
I love both creatures equally. :) I can't choose one over the other.
Words of wisdom PBA. Words of wisdom.
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Jack Nicholson as Deadpool
Make it happen, Alternate Universe were Jack Nicholson is still young and being considered for the role!
Quote from: ShadowPred on Mar 18, 2011, 05:20:50 PM
Jack Nicholson as Deadpool
Make it happen, Alternate Universe were Jack Nicholson is still young and being considered for the role!
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"Hello, yes, I'd like a time machine please, and a copy of the
Deadpool movie script. And get me Jack Nicholson."
Well it's obvious Aliens. Don't know what started it maybe the designs of them they hunt humans for meat and breeding lol.
One things is sure they look epic. :D
Predators because they have thier honor and religon thing, motivation to be the ultimate killers. While the Aliens are just like mad dogs, running around with no purpose. Predators are hunters, Aliens are just prey.
Quote from: CelticScar on Mar 22, 2011, 08:26:59 PM
Predators because they have thier honor and religon thing, motivation to be the ultimate killers. While the Aliens are just like mad dogs, running around with no purpose. Predators are hunters, Aliens are just prey.
Wut.
Quote from: CelticScar on Mar 22, 2011, 08:26:59 PM
Predators because they have thier honor and religon thing, motivation to be the ultimate killers. While the Aliens are just like mad dogs, running around with no purpose. Predators are hunters, Aliens are just prey.
:(
I knew Aliens had a religion, but Predators..?
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Quote from: CelticScar on Mar 22, 2011, 08:26:59 PM
Predators because they have thier honor and religon thing, motivation to be the ultimate killers. While the Aliens are just like mad dogs, running around with no purpose. Predators are hunters, Aliens are just prey.
So this is what it's come to. How the mighty have fallen.
Quote from: CelticScar on Mar 22, 2011, 08:26:59 PM
Predators because they have thier honor and religon thing, motivation to be the ultimate killers. While the Aliens are just like mad dogs, running around with no purpose. Predators are hunters, Aliens are just prey.
Breeding and survival are not purposes?
Have 2 add.... It's instinct.
Quote from: CelticScar on Mar 22, 2011, 08:26:59 PM
Predators because they have thier honor and religon thing, motivation to be the ultimate killers. While the Aliens are just like mad dogs, running around with no purpose. Predators are hunters, Aliens are just prey.
Purpose of a killing machine, that shows no emotions cannot be known. Also their purpose. It doesn't seem like that, but they are maybe more intelligent than preds, and realize they need no weapons to defeat any civilization on any planet, because they will spawn so many of their kind so they will rip a new a hole for any living creature...
Preds and wut religion???? And really, preds are much more mad dog s running around then aliens. Preds seemingly give a f**k about anything, but hunting and improving themselves. They kill the guy with the greatest balls to improve themselves. No matter they look for the strongest prey, it serves their own advantage (even if it's organized to society, it's tribal, primitive). In this matter aliens are much more advanced, and way moore civilized than predators.
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Quote from: CelticScar on Mar 22, 2011, 08:26:59 PM
Predators because they have thier honor and religon thing, motivation to be the ultimate killers. While the Aliens are just like mad dogs, running around with no purpose. Predators are hunters, Aliens are just prey.
Purpose of a killing machine, that shows no emotions cannot be known. Also their purpose. It doesn't seem like that, but they are maybe more intelligent than preds, and realize they need no weapons to defeat any civilization on any planet, because they will spawn so many of their kind so they will rip a new a hole for any living creature...
Preds and wut religion???? And really, preds are much more mad dog s running around then aliens. Preds seemingly give a f**k about anything, but hunting and improving themselves. They kill the guy with the greatest balls to improve themselves. No matter they look for the strongest prey, it serves their own advantage (even if it's organized to society, it's tribal, primitive). In this matter aliens are much more advanced, and way moore civilized than predators.
You are right, but I must say that Aliens are not more "civillised" than Predators, yes they don't need technology, it's like saying ants are more civillised than humans, I know Xenomorphs are an alien creature but still.
Aliens are more advanced biologcially than Predators, but not technologically, which is why they are kept as captives by both humans and Predators (only to escape and face bang everything :P)
Predators. They are better hunters and i have to mention they look cool.
Quote from: CelticScar on Mar 22, 2011, 08:26:59 PM
Predators because they have thier honor and religon thing, motivation to be the ultimate killers. While the Aliens are just like mad dogs, running around with no purpose. Predators are hunters, Aliens are just prey.
Ummm...what? Aliens certainly do have purpose.
And they are not prey, they are nightmares.
To borrow someone's quite apt phrase, they are eldritch abominations from beyond the stars.
QuoteYou are right, but I must say that Aliens are not more "civillised" than Predators, yes they don't need technology, it's like saying ants are more civillised than humans, I know Xenomorphs are an alien creature but still.
Technologically Preds are more advanced indeed. Seemingly what they use it for? Chasing hard targets, going after myths, danger, even if it can mean risking their lives. And they have technology to create energy based weaponry, yet they are running around in body mesh and use spear, or other types of blades. They can be intelligent, they can be advanced yea, but for what purpose? They are cavemen from space, really.
Aliens on the other hand can organize whole groups in order to follow one single mission, and can even sacrifice themselves to achieve one goal (see aliens, a:r). Also their level of intellect cannot be known. On this ground, I see them much more civilized than preds.
And it's not a bad thing. The savagery and tribal brutality of the predator creature is something that makes it even more interesting (connected to their level of technology) in my eyes.
Aliens are anything but civil. They drag you away to cocoon your ass and don't even ya a kiss.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 25, 2011, 11:05:36 PM
Aliens are anything but civil. They drag you away to cocoon your ass and don't even ya a kiss.
And God help you if they do.
What, Ripley got a semi-peck in Alien 3. Didn't hurt her much.
Might want to ask Parker about that.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 25, 2011, 11:05:36 PM
Aliens are anything but civil. They drag you away to cocoon your ass and don't even ya a kiss.
Utmost aggression against another race cannot be necessarily considered as a lack of civilized inner qualities. On the other hand preds simply kill their own kind, and use what, sticks and nets. In some way they far less civilized than aliens.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 26, 2011, 07:54:13 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 25, 2011, 11:05:36 PM
Aliens are anything but civil. They drag you away to cocoon your ass and don't even ya a kiss.
Utmost aggression against another race cannot be necessarily considered as a lack of civilized inner qualities. On the other hand preds simply kill their own kind, and use what, sticks and nets. In some way they far less civilized than aliens.
So in this same way you can tell that humans are less civilized than aliens, because people kill their own kind also. ;)
IMHO aggression or lack of aggression against other species can't be used as determinant of being civilized. Using tools or following some rules - inversely - it can be.
Both species are predatorian, hence the need for expansion and aggression not only against other species, but also within their own.
IMHO
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 26, 2011, 07:54:13 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 25, 2011, 11:05:36 PM
Aliens are anything but civil. They drag you away to cocoon your ass and don't even ya a kiss.
Utmost aggression against another race cannot be necessarily considered as a lack of civilized inner qualities. On the other hand preds simply kill their own kind, and use what, sticks and nets. In some way they far less civilized than aliens.
In that way,
we are less civilized than the Aliens. :D
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 26, 2011, 06:33:50 PM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 26, 2011, 07:54:13 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 25, 2011, 11:05:36 PM
Aliens are anything but civil. They drag you away to cocoon your ass and don't even ya a kiss.
Utmost aggression against another race cannot be necessarily considered as a lack of civilized inner qualities. On the other hand preds simply kill their own kind, and use what, sticks and nets. In some way they far less civilized than aliens.
In that way, we are less civilized than the Aliens. :D
As I see, yes.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 26, 2011, 07:54:13 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 25, 2011, 11:05:36 PM
Aliens are anything but civil. They drag you away to cocoon your ass and don't even ya a kiss.
Utmost aggression against another race cannot be necessarily considered as a lack of civilized inner qualities. On the other hand preds simply kill their own kind, and use what, sticks and nets. In some way they far less civilized than aliens.
It was a joke.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 26, 2011, 10:45:15 PM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 26, 2011, 07:54:13 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 25, 2011, 11:05:36 PM
Aliens are anything but civil. They drag you away to cocoon your ass and don't even ya a kiss.
Utmost aggression against another race cannot be necessarily considered as a lack of civilized inner qualities. On the other hand preds simply kill their own kind, and use what, sticks and nets. In some way they far less civilized than aliens.
It was a joke.
Then I'm getting old :-\ sry.
Option 3 "both".
P.R.E.D.A.T.O.R for me alien is just ugly he sucks and dies 2 easily
Says the guy whose display picture is from Predators ;D
Quote from: Piranha_222 on May 06, 2011, 09:07:29 AM
P.R.E.D.A.T.O.R for me alien is just ugly he sucks and dies 2 easily
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come on this guys is cute as shit.
But his brother is a thief.
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Aliens started this whole mess!
Quote from: Piranha_222 on May 06, 2011, 09:07:29 AM
P.R.E.D.A.T.O.R
Now I'm curious what that's an acronym for...
it seems kool my friend said
Quote from: Pn2501 on May 06, 2011, 09:17:24 AM
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come on this guys is cute as shit.
That one looks like it burst from Danny Devito.
Why? COZ IT'S BLACK?!?!!!
Didn't know Danny devito was black, it's probably because it's a midget.
f**k me, I thought you said Danny Glover :P my bad.
As much as i love the predator i have to say alien ::)
Quote from: Pn2501 on May 06, 2011, 09:17:24 AM
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come on this guys is cute as shit.
It actually does look like a POS. ;)
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on May 07, 2011, 03:32:09 AM
Quote from: Pn2501 on May 06, 2011, 09:17:24 AM
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come on this guys is cute as shit.
That one looks like it burst from Danny Devito.
Hehe, it does :laugh:
I prefer the Alien over the predator.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 07, 2011, 03:45:38 AM
Why? COZ IT'S BLACK?!?!!!
LOL Damn brotha outta nowhere!
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Quote from: Pn2501 on May 07, 2011, 04:58:26 AM
Didn't know Danny devito was black, it's probably because it's a midget.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on May 07, 2011, 01:37:17 PM
f**k me, I thought you said Danny Glover :P my bad.
No worries bro. :laugh:
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on May 07, 2011, 11:07:59 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 07, 2011, 03:45:38 AM
Why? COZ IT'S BLACK?!?!!!
LOL Damn brotha outta nowhere!
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Quote from: Pn2501 on May 07, 2011, 04:58:26 AM
Didn't know Danny devito was black, it's probably because it's a midget.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on May 07, 2011, 01:37:17 PM
f**k me, I thought you said Danny Glover :P my bad.
No worries bro. :laugh:
I thought that was Madea :P
I love the Predator. I think it is bad ass to have Intergalactic Alien Hunters that are 7 to 8 feet tall, fast, agile, and wielding an arsenal of the most violent and twisted weapons I have ever seen. Although I would like to see them use their plasma caster a little less in future installments. Really love the Net Gun, Wrist Blades, Spear. The most brutal death by Predator I would say is spine rip. Predators I think are also stronger than Aliens, how much stronger I can't say. Back onto Predator. I also wander what other Things they hunt besides us. They go to different planets and hunt deadly and challenging things for the thrill or sport. The mentality of the Predator's must be crazy to do this.
I would say Predator and Predator 2 are my favorite Predator movies, Predators was Ok, some parts and aspects I liked. I also liked the Predators in AVP some what. I do like all the Aliens though, but if I had to pick one or the other it is definitely Predator. I think the Predator Series has a lot of potential as far as films go to. :)
Quote from: bleau on May 19, 2011, 04:08:47 AM
I also wander what other Things they hunt besides us. They go to different planets and hunt deadly and challenging things for the thrill or sport. The mentality of the Predator's must be crazy to do this.
If the skulls in P2 were any indication, I'd say it's vicious animals with big honkin' teeth. And Aliens.
I really had to think for this one, because I love them both...
I chose Predator.
Used to be a big Predator fan in early 90's when Predator 2 came out on VHS. I just loved the design of it (sans mask, never liked its masks, other than Anytime's) and Batman vs Predator was badass. Then I saw Alien 3 and Predator just wasnt cool since then. I mean, I still enjoy the hec of the first 2 movies and its villains, but the character as a standalone creature just doesnt do it for me. Its too man-like, its basically an ugly ancient hunter, nothing different than human hunters from the past. Two legs, two arms, same muscles, human posture, clothing (and human-like too with sandals and nets) etc, its not believable. Alien on the other hand is a walking work of art and pure , instinct driven creature of nature, with the most original design ever, a penis shaped head, robot/skeleton symbiosis, no eyes etc
I switch between the two in waves. Right now, definitely alien.
I find myself agreeing with ghostface.
I tend to switch between the two, I guess I'm a whore. :laugh:
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I remember this forum since December. ::) for me this would be aliens. Because they have the coolest design and can kill with efficiency. Not to mention theryre blood is acid which complicates things for the ppl trying to kill it. Theryre also really cool because they can naturally go into stealth mode and kill with awesomeness.I do like predators but i always looked at it like it is a bag of highlighters due to it's blood being neon green. :)
for me the alien is better now that the predator. I really love are disign (I'm a fan of HR Giger).
By cons in battle the alien is exceeded by the predator, because of its technoloqv is quite evolved. Melee without technology I think the alien is the strongest ;D
Predator because they didn't give me nightmares when I was little. I think I was too young to watch Aliens the first time I saw it and I literally didn't sleep for almost a week. But I saw Predator and was like 'aw yeah, gimme some of that'.
And, also, because the Aliens just... I don't know, they still terrify me. They're amazing to look at but if I was stuck in a room with one it'd have to be a Pred, just because I'd know that if it decided to kill me it would be a quick death instead of some icky chest-bursting agony-filled demise.
Plus, acid blood? That's just wrong. Preds and their dreads all the way, man.
I prefer predators. They are technologically advanced, believe in honor, and wear cool masks. Also, I saw AVP first and thought the predators as heroes instead of villains. I really like the masks that the predators wear and how they have many advantages over their enemies
What are your thoughts on the first Predator film?
I like the first film. I thought it was better than Predators and Predator 2, but still not better than AVP or AVPR.
I love both species equally. I also dislike their respective fanboys equally. It's a shame the AvP concept has frequently found itself in the hands of Predator-biased writers/developers/producers.
Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 24, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
I like the first film. I thought it was better than Predators and Predator 2, but still not better than AVP or AVPR.
You're entitled to your opinion, of course...
Spoiler
...but I feel I must cry.
Spoiler
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Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 24, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
I like the first film. I thought it was better than Predators and Predator 2, but still not better than AVP or AVPR.
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Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 24, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
I like the first film. I thought it was better than Predators and Predator 2, but still not better than AVP or AVPR.
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Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 24, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
I like the first film. I thought it was better than Predators and Predator 2, but still not better than AVP or AVPR.
Okay... It's your personal opinion... Okay....
Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 24, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
I like the first film. I thought it was better than Predators and Predator 2, but still not better than AVP or AVPR.
...I'm...
...I'm not even mad...
...I'M NOT!!!
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 24, 2011, 07:39:54 PM
Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 24, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
I like the first film. I thought it was better than Predators and Predator 2, but still not better than AVP or AVPR.
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That was the only response.
Well done.
Alien. It's a walking living nightmare. A space rapist. A merciless sadistic killer.
I like predator the movie but the creatures themselves never did much for me.
Ya know, I just watched Predators again and Predator 1. I like Predatros better. But Predator 1 is still better than
Predator 2.
QuoteYa know, I just watched Predators again and Predator 1. I like Predatros better.
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its funny how everyone can get hillariously angry because they like one of the movies better than the others. :D
Spoiler
i must admit. my favourite alien movie is probably resurrection :)
anywho, i voted for predator, they are, and still is my favorite. i love them both very much, but predators are just a little cooler :)
Quote from: maestro on Jun 25, 2011, 02:44:23 PM
i must admit. my favourite alien movie is probably resurrection :)
People keep asking for it.
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Do it Chief.
Do it.
dont be hatin' :D
In this battle, I vote for maestro. He seems like a friend to me. I defend my friends.
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I defend my friends.
You fight for them, too?
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You guys wanna rumble? There's a thread for that. ;)
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wow.
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Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 25, 2011, 07:47:30 PM
I defend my friends.
You fight for them, too?
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i fight for my friends! i also do coke and heroin... aaah, gotta love Ike :D
aye Maniak, get yo murder face on.
So are we gonna go to that link and rumble?
I think predator is better since they are really advanced and they that kind off tribal honnor.
Aliens are just dumbe creatures who only think about killing and making babies and they don't watch what's happening arround them, so they are always killed in the end. :P
Quote from: wiglaf007 on Jul 04, 2011, 05:32:08 PM
I think predator is better since they are really advanced and they that kind off tribal honnor.
Aliens are just dumbe creatures who only think about killing and making babies and they don't watch what's happening arround them, so they are always killed in the end. :P
Sorry to say but this post is as dumb as you say the aliens are. In fact the aliens are the PERFECT organism and they are far from dumb ;) btw predators also get killed in the end, always. And the avp aliens don't count. because theyre not real aliens.
Quote from: wiglaf007 on Jul 04, 2011, 05:32:08 PM
I think predator is better since they are really advanced and they that kind off tribal honnor.
Aliens are just dumbe creatures who only think about killing and making babies and they don't watch what's happening arround them, so they are always killed in the end. :P
Prepare to be trampled on by 500 Alien fans.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jul 04, 2011, 10:44:53 PM
Quote from: wiglaf007 on Jul 04, 2011, 05:32:08 PM
I think predator is better since they are really advanced and they that kind off tribal honnor.
Aliens are just dumbe creatures who only think about killing and making babies and they don't watch what's happening arround them, so they are always killed in the end. :P
Prepare to be trampled on by 500 Alien fans.
Grr...
Quote from: wiglaf007 on Jul 04, 2011, 05:32:08 PM
Aliens are just dumbe creatures who only think about killing and making babies and they don't watch what's happening arround them, so they are always killed in the end. :P
Aliens are seen learning in Resurrection when they are days old, the only thing that suggests they are "dumb" is that they don't have technology (all the aliens we see are alone and in a small hive so even IF they were an advanced race like they wouldn't have tech anyway) or a recognisable language.
In order to provoke predator fans... Predators are cowards who kill humans by shooting at them from a distance while invisible. They also get killed by Danny Glover.
I'm going to retreat to a bomb shelter now.
I like Predators because (Not trying to make an argument) they aren't brutes like Aliens. They actually don't hurt people who are pregnant or are sick and that don't have a weapon. Only the blacks (Super Predators) attack anybody including smaller (classic) predators. The only thing going on an Aliens mind is 'Follow Queens Orders' and 'Kill and/or harvest anyone who is a threat to our hive. Predators are high-tech with there cloaking ships and plasma casters. While Aliens aren't high-tech they can just get around places like ships if there is a face hugger crawling around or Chest Bursters in small vents.
Quote from: Lord Predator on Jul 08, 2011, 06:55:28 PM
The only thing going on an Aliens mind is 'Follow Queens Orders' and 'Kill and/or harvest anyone who is a threat to our hive.
No no no no no no, no. No. Seriously. No. f**k this shit. No.
Hell no.
Quote from: Lord Predator on Jul 08, 2011, 06:55:28 PM
I like Predators because (Not trying to make an argument) they aren't brutes like Aliens. They actually don't hurt people who are pregnant or are sick and that don't have a weapon. Only the blacks (Super Predators) attack anybody including smaller (classic) predators. The only thing going on an Aliens mind is 'Follow Queens Orders' and 'Kill and/or harvest anyone who is a threat to our hive. Predators are high-tech with there cloaking ships and plasma casters. While Aliens aren't high-tech they can just get around places like ships if there is a face hugger crawling around or Chest Bursters in small vents.
*considers reposting my last post...
*steps back from the keyboard and shouts out the window
Quote*considers reposting my last post...
Yea, according to that...
QuoteIn order to provoke predator fans... Predators are cowards who kill humans by shooting at them from a distance while invisible. They also get killed by Danny Glover.
In a way. Just as much as you call aliens lurking in the dark, sneaking up a cowardiance, or them attacking totally defenseless things being a wuss. Pretty meaningless; the take out people as they see it fit to the task. Also they have pretty much a wide range of personalities, some of the, prefer other tactics.
More importantly: Danny Glover is so awesome, that it'd be surprising if he had lost.
Quote from: huntin8-t0n on Jul 10, 2011, 09:06:46 PM
More importantly: Danny Glover is so awesome, that it'd be surprising if he had lost.
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I stand by my comment of the predators being cowards. They fly around the universe picking on far less advanced species for fun. It doesn't matter what tactics they use, it's still the same as a man stepping on ants.
Quote from: Divpax on Jul 10, 2011, 09:36:45 PM
I stand by my comment of the predators being cowards. They fly around the universe picking on far less advanced species for fun. It doesn't matter what tactics they use, it's still the same as a man stepping on ants.
Actually you never know, Predators could also be stalking on some advanced species that we haven't seen yet, and seriously you call fighting a pissed of alien queen cowardice? Scar had some balls there, even when he started getting thrown around. I know he lost his plasma caster but still he didn't panic either.
And some of the skulls we see on the ship look like they belonged to some pretty badass creatures.
Just because Anytime shot people from behind doesn't mean all of them are like that, Pussyface jumped right in the middle of armed men and finished them off. You shouldn't base the actions of one against the whole species, it's like me saying humans are cowards because they step on ants but clearly not all humans are cowards, some would give their lives to save another person.
Like humans some Predators are cowards and some are not.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jul 10, 2011, 10:06:48 PM
Quote from: Divpax on Jul 10, 2011, 09:36:45 PM
I stand by my comment of the predators being cowards. They fly around the universe picking on far less advanced species for fun. It doesn't matter what tactics they use, it's still the same as a man stepping on ants.
Actually you never know, Predators could also be stalking on some advanced species that we haven't seen yet, and seriously you call fighting a pissed of alien queen cowardice? Scar had some balls there, even when he started getting thrown around. I know he lost his plasma caster but still he didn't panic either.
And some of the skulls we see on the ship look like they belonged to some pretty badass creatures.
Just because Anytime shot people from behind doesn't mean all of them are like that, Pussyface jumped right in the middle of armed men and finished them off. You shouldn't base the actions of one against the whole species, it's like me saying humans are cowards because they step on ants but clearly not all humans are cowards, some would give their lives to save another person.
Like humans some Predators are cowards and some are not.
So I shouldn't judge the predators from what I see in the movies?
Quote from: Divpax on Jul 11, 2011, 01:35:31 AM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jul 10, 2011, 10:06:48 PM
Quote from: Divpax on Jul 10, 2011, 09:36:45 PM
I stand by my comment of the predators being cowards. They fly around the universe picking on far less advanced species for fun. It doesn't matter what tactics they use, it's still the same as a man stepping on ants.
Actually you never know, Predators could also be stalking on some advanced species that we haven't seen yet, and seriously you call fighting a pissed of alien queen cowardice? Scar had some balls there, even when he started getting thrown around. I know he lost his plasma caster but still he didn't panic either.
And some of the skulls we see on the ship look like they belonged to some pretty badass creatures.
Just because Anytime shot people from behind doesn't mean all of them are like that, Pussyface jumped right in the middle of armed men and finished them off. You shouldn't base the actions of one against the whole species, it's like me saying humans are cowards because they step on ants but clearly not all humans are cowards, some would give their lives to save another person.
Like humans some Predators are cowards and some are not.
So I shouldn't judge the predators from what I see in the movies?
I just wanted to note, that Predator's also pick out deadly prey to hunt. Predator's as a species will occasionally get close to prey for kills, and have also mastered the human head/spine rip. Predators travel the galaxy hunting various dangerous things for shear enjoyment. Predators are practically willing to die for the hunt. I don't see how one could view them as cowards. :o
Quote from: Divpax on Jul 10, 2011, 09:36:45 PM
I stand by my comment of the predators being cowards. They fly around the universe picking on far less advanced species for fun. It doesn't matter what tactics they use, it's still the same as a man stepping on ants.
You don't know why they hunt. And less advanced doesn't mean less dangerous. One bad move, and Ol'painless could grind Jungle hunter to minced meat. Same goes for city hunter. Jumping in the middle of crazies armed to teeth in a camoflague that even a small kid can see through is really a cowardly move. And can you tell me, how many times an ant killed human? Only one of them. Or how frequently you see boars killing hunters (nowadays, not in the middle ages, when it was frequent).
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Jul 10, 2011, 09:25:12 PM
Quote from: huntin8-t0n on Jul 10, 2011, 09:06:46 PM
More importantly: Danny Glover is so awesome, that it'd be surprising if he had lost.
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Quote from: Divpax on Jul 11, 2011, 01:35:31 AM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Jul 10, 2011, 10:06:48 PM
Quote from: Divpax on Jul 10, 2011, 09:36:45 PM
I stand by my comment of the predators being cowards. They fly around the universe picking on far less advanced species for fun. It doesn't matter what tactics they use, it's still the same as a man stepping on ants.
Actually you never know, Predators could also be stalking on some advanced species that we haven't seen yet, and seriously you call fighting a pissed of alien queen cowardice? Scar had some balls there, even when he started getting thrown around. I know he lost his plasma caster but still he didn't panic either.
And some of the skulls we see on the ship look like they belonged to some pretty badass creatures.
Just because Anytime shot people from behind doesn't mean all of them are like that, Pussyface jumped right in the middle of armed men and finished them off. You shouldn't base the actions of one against the whole species, it's like me saying humans are cowards because they step on ants but clearly not all humans are cowards, some would give their lives to save another person.
Like humans some Predators are cowards and some are not.
So I shouldn't judge the predators from what I see in the movies?
Ok lets play it your way, in the second movie the Predator jumped in the middle of drugged up junkies armed to the teeth and pwned them, near the end when he knew that they could see through his cloak so it was useless, he didn't run away he did what he always did, jumped in the middle of them and mauled them. The only time he ran was when Danny Glover severely injured him, and that is not cowardly, everyone will run when injured like that, he only ran to heal and at the end he still fought Danny Glover to the death losing only because he got cocky that is their biggest weakness, their pride.
And seriously, what COWARD would fight the ALIENS hand to hand? We are talking about a culture here that says if you defeat an Alien and mark yourself with it's blood you are considered a man.
You guys really don't get what I mean by cowardly. I'm referring to a species higher than ours killing us for fun. I am aware they get into difficult situations (I've seen the bloody movies), what I'm talking about is the principle of it. Killing a less advanced species for fun.
Quote from: Divpax on Jul 11, 2011, 11:11:48 PM
You guys really don't get what I mean by cowardly. I'm referring to a species higher than ours killing us for fun. I am aware they get into difficult situations (I've seen the bloody movies), what I'm talking about is the principle of it. Killing a less advanced species for fun.
Which brings me back to my question. Do Predators have the equivalent of PETA?
Quote from: Ghostface on Jul 11, 2011, 11:49:10 PM
Quote from: Divpax on Jul 11, 2011, 11:11:48 PM
You guys really don't get what I mean by cowardly. I'm referring to a species higher than ours killing us for fun. I am aware they get into difficult situations (I've seen the bloody movies), what I'm talking about is the principle of it. Killing a less advanced species for fun.
Which brings me back to my question. Do Predators have the equivalent of PETA?
That begs an even greater question. Do Predators have the equivalent of KFC?
Quote from: Divpax on Jul 11, 2011, 11:11:48 PM
You guys really don't get what I mean by cowardly. I'm referring to a species higher than ours killing us for fun. I am aware they get into difficult situations (I've seen the bloody movies), what I'm talking about is the principle of it. Killing a less advanced species for fun.
We do it too though, Seriously, whats the point?.
Quote from: bleau on Jul 12, 2011, 02:59:45 AM
Quote from: Divpax on Jul 11, 2011, 11:11:48 PM
You guys really don't get what I mean by cowardly. I'm referring to a species higher than ours killing us for fun. I am aware they get into difficult situations (I've seen the bloody movies), what I'm talking about is the principle of it. Killing a less advanced species for fun.
We do it too though, Seriously, whats the point?.
Because that isn't all we as a race do. Forget all EU and remember that all we ever see predators do in the movies is pick on lower species.
Quote from: Divpax on Jul 11, 2011, 11:11:48 PM
You guys really don't get what I mean by cowardly. I'm referring to a species higher than ours killing us for fun. I am aware they get into difficult situations (I've seen the bloody movies), what I'm talking about is the principle of it. Killing a less advanced species for fun.
Yeah, but it doesn't mean a thing. If killing a less advanced species is just as bloody dangerous as murdering the hell out of a much more advanced one (dunno, let's talk about the species of the Covenant from Halo one, based on ONLY the game) is approximately on the same threat level, it doesn't matter. Also you still dunno why they civilization has gone in this direction. Maybe they are hunting for some high principals (sacrifice for the almighty whatever God, where heat represents the agony of soul), and then hunting in their culture is a must, no matter what they hunt. This latter theory I seriously doubt. But you can't know, and also you can't know what species they are after when they hunt, there may be much more advanced then them. But still, you cannot know. Based on the movies, that is.
Quote from: Divpax on Jul 12, 2011, 03:06:53 AM
Quote from: bleau on Jul 12, 2011, 02:59:45 AM
Quote from: Divpax on Jul 11, 2011, 11:11:48 PM
You guys really don't get what I mean by cowardly. I'm referring to a species higher than ours killing us for fun. I am aware they get into difficult situations (I've seen the bloody movies), what I'm talking about is the principle of it. Killing a less advanced species for fun.
We do it too though, Seriously, whats the point?.
Because that isn't all we as a race do. Forget all EU and remember that all we ever see predators do in the movies is pick on lower species.
Humans have the capabilities to kill a Predator. In the eyes of a Predator, that makes us equal.
Alien for me, for a multitude of reasons.
It was one of my earliest exposures to what film really can be, just a mind blowing, heart felt story and at the heart of it are these non-stop, inhuman killing machines.
Despite the fact that they are the more obscure looking and less humanoid of the two, for me, in some way, they just seem to be more believable. Maybe it's the fact that they move in such random and unusual ways and for me, an Alien wouldn't be humanoid in its look and movment. It's Alien afterall.
Preds, seem to have a heart at times. No, wait, here me out. Predators...now in my mind, a Pred should never want to help someone escape a planet, wethere they've been freed by them or not. They should be more Hey, Thanks, before blowing his guts for miles around. Similarly, the trap using Danny Trejo as bait. Pred shouldn't even begin to comprehend the idea of helping your fellow man, so they shouldn't have even been able to conceive a plan like this. Just mow the bastards down where they stand.
The amazing interaction between Aliens, The Queen and Ripley....that's just absolute gold in my mind. That is something that is never gonna be able to be replicated, copied or even bother to be attempted in a scenario like this again. Superb, superb cinema.
Quote from: craigisnutter on Jul 16, 2011, 02:06:10 PM
Preds, seem to have a heart at times. No, wait, here me out. Predators...now in my mind, a Pred should never want to help someone escape a planet, wethere they've been freed by them or not. They should be more Hey, Thanks, before blowing his guts for miles around. Similarly, the trap using Danny Trejo as bait. Pred shouldn't even begin to comprehend the idea of helping your fellow man, so they shouldn't have even been able to conceive a plan like this. Just mow the bastards down where they stand.
A. Honour
B. Trophies
C. Honour
Predators are interesting because their not mindless killing machines. They HUNT. Predators are HUNTERS. They're not going to mow them straight down in one second, but they want sport, challenge.
Ye, fair enough, I phrased that badly.
But the idea of a pred willingly offering to help someone escape the planet, shouldn't happen. Honour or not, we're a lower life form, we are just prey.
Aliens. I can't pinpoint EXACTLY why, maybe it was because I watched the alien series first? Something about stalky, creepy killers makes me so happy. I love their hive system as well.
Though, I do like Predators. They just don't fascinate me as much, y'know?
Quote from: craigisnutter on Jul 22, 2011, 01:24:03 PM
Ye, fair enough, I phrased that badly.
But the idea of a pred willingly offering to help someone escape the planet, shouldn't happen. Honour or not, we're a lower life form, we are just prey.
Would you kill a lower life form if it saved your life? In addition, I believe it did bother the Classic Predator. That's why it choked Royce before letting him go. As if it was saying "Just this time, mudda pukka".
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 22, 2011, 03:31:07 PM
Quote from: craigisnutter on Jul 22, 2011, 01:24:03 PM
Ye, fair enough, I phrased that badly.
But the idea of a pred willingly offering to help someone escape the planet, shouldn't happen. Honour or not, we're a lower life form, we are just prey.
Would you kill a lower life form if it saved your life? In addition, I believe it did bother the Classic Predator. That's why it choked Royce before letting him go. As if it was saying "Just this time, mudda pukka".
hahaha I remember laughing when I saw classic choke him. It made me smile in the movie theather. :D
i like them both equally the same each is a unique creature with desires to kill alot of people and each other so i say they are tied
Aliens. Preds are badass, but an alien is a living weapon. They take their hosts species and make it more powerful.
Alien or Predator? Hmmmmmm lol, someone can confuse this ansesegment by saying "Predalien" hehehehe
Well to be honest, I love Alien and Predator a helluvaobut im gonna have t go with Predator a little bit more.
The alien dont get me wrong, is amazing...the fact that it truly is itself, a weapon really really cool, it has acidic blood so knives and swords wont do much, they can explode when shot too much, their upper body being exo and the lower being endo, their pharyngeal or inner jaw, their claws and teeth! Overall, the perfect organism.
Now, because I like Predator more is, well
Their Honour code is very interesting, they dont kill with hate, they kill with passion of honour. If a predator violates the code is a bad blood, their ranks and of course, their body structure, 7ft humanoids, their mandibles and their skull-connected dreadlocks, I also love their weaponary and their armour, especially Tracker and Ghost's and especially the masks
well said.
Aliens because of the sleek design, the alienness of them, the stealthy aspect, the scares provided since 1979, and that acid blood. Acid-freakin'-blood man.
I honestly love both movies and the design of both creatures, but to me it's all about the Predators. It's just something about their elegance, their designs, and over all prop design that makes me absolutely love them.
predators for sure.
i love the designs of both, but predator just rocks!
i think it's the whole mystery around him. plus predator has always been one of my favorite movies!
i just purchased alien and aliens on blu ray and they're breathtaking! predator is the best blu ray in my collection though! it's like watching a new movie!
I love both.
They're both such awesome warriors in their own way.
I'd have to say alien, the life cycle amazes me and if i could study them, no second thought i would. I just like the whole hive and organization they have, and thinking about stuff like is a facehugger got onto a bat or a brumak from gears of war, and predator has to resort to technology, im not sayin i hate the pred,(i luv him) but in a fair fight, alien would rain superior.
I chose Alien because I have always been a fan of Predators but I became a bigger fan of Alien after watching AvP (then watching the Alien movies).
But I knew that the Alien franchise existed because my father is also a Predator fan and even had the first three Alien movies in his collection. :)
I'm definitely an ALIEN fan! I love everything about the aliens, from the initial design of the 'Alien', through to the whole life cycle concept. I'm also a huge fan of HR.Giger, so the original 'ALIEN' has always been my favourite, it's design was by far the most horrifying, it really stood out to me. I did like the Alien design's in Aliens & Alien 3, but the first Alien will never be beaten.
Just remember.....IN SPACE ALIENS CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM!!!
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I like both , they are so sleek and keen on design and content
Both are great but I like the Aliens more because they always remind me of the Cthulhu Mythos. The idea of the ultimate 'cosmic horror' always fascinated me.
Why would people vote Predators? Aliens are freaking scary!!
Predators aren't?
They both are, but in different ways. I'd say Predators can make for tense films, while Aliens can make for scary films.
An invisible monster with advanced weaponry that kills just for the helluvit not only makes it scary, but a prick as well.
Predator films are more slasher and action themed. Alien films are more like classic monster films, straight forward horror. Still, the franchises are at their prime in both ways.
I say: Definitely the Alien.
Basically for the reasons other people have stated. The lifecycle and look of the Alien is just genius. I don't think there's a scarier franchise monster out there than the Alien... in fact, it it existed, it would be the scariest thing alive. They don't use reason like the Predators do. We've seen the Predators will even team up with humans, but the Aliens just want to kill everything.
Predators are a cool design, but the movies are just lacking in plot. I do like the first Predator though, and Predator 2 can be OK. I admit I haven't seen PREDATORS, but I guarantee it wouldn't change my position that Aliens are better. Predator films are really just action/slasher films, while the Alien films are scientific and horrifying. Alien films require a lot of character building and great directing, and we have two films that came out great.
I don't think anything has really been done like the Alien design/biology before, except for some cheap spinoffs/ripoffs. I give credit for the Predator design, but they are just another intelligent humanoid creature which has been done to death in franchises like Star Trek.
Aliens, They are the prefect bio weapon, I love the designs for them, the mythology, I found works in other mediums to be much more entertaining than Predators when they are by themselves.
The Alien is the most successfully truly Alien design out of all movies, books, games, ecct, and to this day it still scares people.
@StayFrosty: By default if the Universe is infinity and or we live in a Galactic soccer bull that makes up a mulitverse, the Xenomorphs do exist exactly as you see them in the movies ,books, games, and comics.
To say they don't exist is to say that Infinity is not Infinite
It's about species here, so yeah Aliens > Predators without technology.
Otherwise, it's the opposite. lol
Aliens.
Two reasons.
1. In general I think the Alien films are better(excludes resurrection, because it was awful, alien 3 sucked too, but not s much)
2. it's the design of the Alien. It's a much more terrifying creature than a predator, because it simply is more alien. Predator has somewhat humanoid features, and you can see its emotions to an extent. The aliens on the other hand, are basically wild animals that need to survive.
Even Giger himself said that he liked that the Alien has no visible eyes, as this gets rid of any human-like quality, and gives him them the appearance of an emotionless mechanical killer.
The Alien's design was just so shocking and full of impact, I just think it's the most unique design for an creature I've ever seen.
Nice points you put forward. :)
I like both Aliens and Predators but at different times in my life, i either liked one or the other more, i preferred aliens because of their extreme deadliness and the whole "perfect organism" thing, not to mention the adaptation of them, i didn't like them in the avp film series though or alien resurrection. I liked predators because they were cool and honourable, they were also very pure and primitive despite being far more advanced than humans. There is so much information on these creature canon and non-canon it makes them all the more interesting, i even created a wiki for these creatures because of how much i like them and the films, here is the link if any of you want to visit or even contribute towards it. http://xenoversal.wikia.com/wiki/Xenoverse_Wiki (http://xenoversal.wikia.com/wiki/Xenoverse_Wiki)
As of today i say i prefer Aliens over the predators, might be because i saw aliens first or maybe it because i prefer monstrous type beings with no concept of morality.
Neither!
I'd be a bad ass marine killing both species ;)
Since you're part of the Hicks bloodline, I can see you killing a couple of Aliens, but a Predator, not so much. Hey, maybe your skull can become a paperweight at the Predator's office. 8)
Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 30, 2011, 03:55:01 PM
Since you're part of the Hicks bloodline, I can see you killing a couple of Aliens, but a Predator, not so much. Hey, maybe your skull can become a paperweight at the Predator's office. 8)
Now I see why they collect heads :o
Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 30, 2011, 03:55:01 PM
Since you're part of the Hicks bloodline, I can see you killing a couple of Aliens, but a Predator, not so much. Hey, maybe your skull can become a paperweight at the Predator's office. 8)
If Laurence Fishbourne can do it, i can ;)
Laurence Fishburne was killed by a Pred. Interesting choice of role model.
Yeah but he killed 'one, maybe two' (or was it three? I forgot).
He still died. I'd rather choose Harrigan since he beat a Predator in hand-to-hand combat.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 04, 2011, 06:14:14 PM
He still died. I'd rather choose Harrigan since he beat a Predator in hand-to-hand combat.
Dutch for me.
Him too, except he very nearly lost.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 04, 2011, 10:10:07 PM
Him too, except he very nearly lost.
And Harrigan didn't?
Harrigan chased Pussyface for quite a few blocks and was hunting the hunter, if you will. Dutch had some success up until Anytime caught him on the log.
Not normally a fence sitter but I'm torn I don't think I can pick between the two!! It's like picking the best Superhero, Chuck Norris or Jesus! (Yes I view Jesus as a Superhero... not to offend anyone ;)
Alien. Shrouded in mystery and unlike any other movie monster ever thought of (not to mention one of the most scary) I love the look of it and it's sheer one mindedness to kill and procreate
Predator. Coolest villain ever, combining primative and advanced technology, not to mention he kicks the s**t out of Bill Duke, Jesse Ventura, Carl Weathers and Arnie.
It's a tough one folks...
Predators... If you took the one Predator from the first film and put him on a ship or planet filled with Aliens, the Aliens would totally lose. If you read the Predator 2 novel, the Predators actually consider humans their most dangerous adversary because they're so unpredictable. Behavior of the Xenomorphs, regardless of how stealthy is undeniably predictable.
Colin Strause, is that you?
This part is true.
Quote from: Gunflyer on Dec 15, 2011, 07:19:10 AM
(...)Behavior of the Xenomorphs, regardless of how stealthy is undeniably predictable.
Lets look at this as if the pred was experienced.
A planet? No way in hell. A single pred cannot take on several thousand to several million aliens and get out alive. It just doesn't happen. Even one hundred to several hundred could get the job done.
A ship like say, Sulaco sized which would contain about 50? Much less of a stretch. But if anywhere from 15 to all of them come at the pred at once, our hunter is in serious shit no matter how many trophies it has.
I shall compose a speech about the dangers of Anti Xenotism.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Dec 15, 2011, 03:51:01 PM
Lets look at this as if the pred was experienced.
A planet? No way in hell. A single pred cannot take on several thousand to several million aliens and get out alive. It just doesn't happen. Even one hundred to several hundred could get the job done.
A ship like say, Sulaco sized which would contain about 50? Much less of a stretch. But if anywhere from 15 to all of them come at the pred at once, our hunter is in serious shit no matter how many trophies it has.
So I indulged in extreme Hyperbole... It's alright.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Dec 15, 2011, 03:51:01 PM
A single pred cannot take on several thousand to several million aliens and get out alive.
Well if 3 preds can't take out 1 hive then I'm guessing 1 would be terminated in minutes :D (meaning, agreed)
Quote from: fry1236 on Dec 16, 2011, 10:01:07 AM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Dec 15, 2011, 03:51:01 PM
A single pred cannot take on several thousand to several million aliens and get out alive.
Well if 3 preds can't take out 1 hive then I'm guessing 1 would be terminated in minutes :D (meaning, agreed)
Yeah but those guys were just noobs.
I know but the first one should have focused more around him (I'm pretty sure his mum would have mentioned that)
Quote from: Master Chief on Dec 15, 2011, 03:46:24 PM
This part is true.
Quote from: Gunflyer on Dec 15, 2011, 07:19:10 AM
(...)Behavior of the Xenomorphs, regardless of how stealthy is undeniably predictable.
Right up until they drop through the motherf**king roof.
Ha! No ish. Fear certainly blinds the mind's eye in humans.
Quote from: JaredK21 on May 03, 2007, 03:12:31 AM
Aliens are nothing without a host.
Well it can be said that Predators are nothing without their weapons & artificial enhancements. A Predator with no mask, or armor would have a hard time fighting off a facehugger, let alone a full grown alien. Even if the Predator manages to kill an alien barehanded, he would most certainly die because of the acid blood.
A Facehugger would be harder to kill than a full grown Alien.
Quote from: AlexVelez on Dec 18, 2011, 02:01:28 AM
Even if the Predator manages to kill an alien barehanded, he would most certainly die because of the acid blood.
He could just choke it or crush its neck like when scar grabs the chestburster when it...Emerges in AvP (I think he crushed it)
If its neck was that weak, it would have snapped when they slammed their craniums into the steel doors of the med lab long before they started to dent.
As that is not the case and the doors were destroyed, I think it is safe to assume that the necks of adult xenomorphs are pretty durable to pressure.
The predator could get angry and turn into the hulk :laugh:
Both alien and predator are awesome. They are iconic, ushering in a new age of science fiction, outshining the classic B monster such as giant killer ants, Pod people, invaders in flying saucers and showing us something new and fresh. Both concepts are the work of sheer artistry and talent from all involved, and both have been touched by the monster master himself, the great Stan Winston. As characters, both are winners, fascinating audiences and science fiction fans for their unique and special characteristics.
While some of their talents might be lacking, they are made up for in other areas. Predator has durability, but xenomorph has speed. Predator has ranged, but xenomorph has melee. Predator has specialization, but xenomorph has versatility. Predator has technology, but xenomorph is self sustaining. Each one has a talent that counters the other, but the other also has a host of countering skills.
I am not biased. I look at the set of skills each has, and each has advantages and disadvantages. Yes, there are curves for some like xenomorph not having ranged and predator not being self sustaining but they even out, giving both an equal chance when it all comes down to it.
My question for predator fans is this. Isn't it insulting to the predator to diminish the challenge of what they hunt? Do not predators like to hunt things that are perfectly capable of killing them, stacking the odds against themselves and coming up with creative solutions to deal with them? If xenomorphs are so weak, why would the predator even bother? Does not diminishing the xenomorph's power make the predator seem much less like a warrior fighting the good fight and more like a cheap cheating asshole who bullies a smaller species? I simply cannot believe predators are like that.
If you carry yourself with arrogance, you make the object of your fandom look bad. What next? Are predators Jesus?
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=40493.msg1202471#msg1202471 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=40493.msg1202471#msg1202471)
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I gotta still go with Predator, mostly because the Predator has some sense of honor in the kill, which I respect.
The Alien gets my vote - the perverse connotations in its design and the mystery of its biology and genesis. truly the perfect organism.
Quote from: Snorkelbottom on Dec 20, 2011, 02:14:07 PM
The Alien gets my vote - the perverse connotations in its design and the mystery of its biology and genesis. truly the perfect organism.
You... admire its purity? ;)
A survivor....
Quote from: Gunflyer on Dec 20, 2011, 11:42:09 PM
Quote from: Snorkelbottom on Dec 20, 2011, 02:14:07 PM
The Alien gets my vote - the perverse connotations in its design and the mystery of its biology and genesis. truly the perfect organism.
You... admire its purity? ;)
LOL, I admire... its macabre perfection and efficiency
Predators because:
-I was first introduced to them
-I love their weapons
-The have cool masks.
-Are tough and smart.
-They are just boss like that.
Quote from: Celtic on Jan 01, 2012, 09:48:38 PM
Predators because:
-I was first introduced to them
-I love their weapons
-The have cool masks.
-Are tough and smart.
-They are just boss like that.
↑ Same here.
Aliens for me, just so badass scary ;D
And a little cute ;D
Quote from: fry1236 on Jan 05, 2012, 02:11:01 AM
And a little cute ;D
THE ARE ADORABLE. OH GOD.
black, slimy, spooky, no eyes, vicious jaws, bio-mechanical looking... sounds like a lovely beast to me
And they rape you too.
Isn't that right Lambert?
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Pwecious. :-*
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jan 05, 2012, 02:58:53 AM
And they rape you too.
Isn't that right Lambert?
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Pwecious. :-*
Faaaaantastic
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Quote from: TheMonolith on Jan 05, 2012, 02:58:53 AM
And they rape you too.
Isn't that right Lambert?
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Pwecious. :-*
:laugh: She's so funny when she's scared ;D
Quote from: fry1236 on Jan 05, 2012, 06:29:23 AM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jan 05, 2012, 02:58:53 AM
And they rape you too.
Isn't that right Lambert?
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Pwecious. :-*
:laugh: She's so funny when she's scared ;D
We never see what happens to her, we just see the tail about to stab her in the back and then we hear a scream. Its speculated that she was paralysed since in the novels (which i consider non-canon like the comics and games) the tail of an alien is poisonous and can render a human unconscious, which is what happened to gorman in the novel of aliens. Well since the ship blew up she is definitely dead.
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 05, 2012, 05:29:07 PM
Quote from: fry1236 on Jan 05, 2012, 06:29:23 AM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jan 05, 2012, 02:58:53 AM
And they rape you too.
Isn't that right Lambert?
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Pwecious. :-*
:laugh: She's so funny when she's scared ;D
We never see what happens to her, we just see the tail about to stab her in the back and then we hear a scream. Its speculated that she was paralysed since in the novels (which i consider non-canon like the comics and games) the tail of an alien is poisonous and can render a human unconscious, which is what happened to gorman in the novel of aliens. Well since the ship blew up she is definitely dead.
Heres the thing though, those aren't Lamberts legs, there Brett's. Lambert wears cowboy boots.
I showed Alien to my friends and when it came to that bit they though its tail was going up her pants ::) :D oh they have minds in the wrong place ;D
Quote from: fry1236 on Jan 06, 2012, 01:04:55 AM
I showed Alien to my friends and when it came to that bit they though its tail was going up her pants ::) :D oh they have minds in the wrong place ;D
If your friends were thinking what I think you're suggesting then their minds were in the right place. The Xenomorph in Alien was a sexual deviant.
:laugh: :laugh:.........seriously ?
Quote from: fry1236 on Jan 06, 2012, 11:00:01 AM
:laugh: :laugh:.........seriously ?
I forward your attention to the scene in the Narcissus. Ripley in vest and knickers (nipples and camel toe present) slowly, almost seductively steps into a pod and slowly dons a spacesuit. While she is doing this the Alien extends its inner jaw ever so slowly (a kin to an erection) while breathing heavily and slowly.
:laugh: Now I can't look at that scene properly....
Alien is filled with sexual overtones, undertones and connotations.
And the lack of those touches is what made the latter parts of the franchise weaker. Aliens and arguably Alien3 kept those undertones there, but after that... :S
Quote from: Eriorguez on Jan 06, 2012, 05:57:04 PM
And the lack of those touches is what made the latter parts of the franchise weaker. Aliens and arguably Alien3 kept those undertones there, but after that... :S
Alien rez had the undertones, but most shown through ripley, the AVPs didn't whatsoever
I can't see undertones working in the AvP films. They are about a war between two extraterrestrial monsters. How do you wiggle sex in there?
Thats what I used to think....
well there was the stripping scene in avpr
Stripping scene ?
Pool scene prior to Dale leading to Ricky's blue balls.
Lovely ;D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 06, 2012, 10:27:52 PM
I can't see undertones working in the AvP films. They are about a war between two extraterrestrial monsters. How do you wiggle sex in there?
One has a penis for a head and another has a vagina for a throat. Do the math.
Even Anderson's Predators' mouths didn't open that wide.
Quote from: Eriorguez on Jan 08, 2012, 07:53:39 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 06, 2012, 10:27:52 PM
I can't see undertones working in the AvP films. They are about a war between two extraterrestrial monsters. How do you wiggle sex in there?
One has a penis for a head and another has a vagina for a throat. Do the math.
my mind is broken now
Quote from: Eriorguez on Jan 08, 2012, 07:53:39 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 06, 2012, 10:27:52 PM
I can't see undertones working in the AvP films. They are about a war between two extraterrestrial monsters. How do you wiggle sex in there?
One has a penis for a head and another has a vagina for a throat. Do the math.
That would explain me hearing people call them Dick heads ::)
walking penises.
fantasic ;D ;D ;D
I was always sure there where more Pred fans out there then Aliens...
Me too. I wonder how much pred fans there are ?
they outnumber the aliens fans! i'm screwed
There is more pred fans ? I mean...Yeah.
Well i can understand. Preds are a lot more appealing. They are more human-like and one can more easily related(?) to. While the aliens are really just (seemingly) mindless, vicious beasts. With exception of Big Chap, i recall him being actually intelligent... heard that in the commentary i believe
Quote from: SizzyBubbles on Jan 10, 2012, 04:37:07 AM
Well i can understand. Preds are a lot more appealing. They are more human-like and one can more easily related(?) to. While the aliens are really just (seemingly) mindless, vicious beasts. With exception of Big Chap, i recall him being actually intelligent... heard that in the commentary i believe
very true...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2012, 09:10:20 PM
Even Anderson's Predators' mouths didn't open that wide.
Not to mention their throat is as vaginal as ours.
I prefer aliens they are so complex and there is so much to learn about them the predators though are also fascinating and a good match for the aliens but nothing will ever beat the aliens
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 06:16:40 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2012, 09:10:20 PM
Even Anderson's Predators' mouths didn't open that wide.
Not to mention their throat is as vaginal as ours.
But what about their
mouths?
I prefer them both but depending on the film their in, it makes be prefer one of them better than the other.
and you can thank the g-man for the sexual similarities in aliens, they were made to be disturbing as well as scary, the tones are still there all the way up to AVP-R.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 18, 2012, 11:51:33 PM
But what about their mouths?
As vaginal as this.
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Quote from: fry1236 on Jan 10, 2012, 03:53:28 AM
Me too. I wonder how much pred fans there are ?
I think there are more Alien fans to be honest its just that poll is comprised of members who are long gone from here
There are more alien films than predator ones, so it makes sense if there were more alien fans plus Alien came out in the late 70's, predator was out in 87 i think.
The numbers don't lie, folks.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 19, 2012, 06:34:17 PM
The numbers don't lie, folks.
indeed but alien was out first so i am surprised that more people than i thought likes predator the most. i prefer predator the most these days.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 18, 2012, 11:51:33 PM
But what about their mouths?
As vaginal as this.
Spoiler
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You are supposed to have a pair of tonsils there. Still, predators show more of that by exposing their throats every time their open their mouths.
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 19, 2012, 06:52:29 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 19, 2012, 06:34:17 PM
The numbers don't lie, folks.
indeed but alien was out first so i am surprised that more people than i thought likes predator the most. i prefer predator the most these days.
Predator is more fun to watch. Alien is an excellent movie but I wouldn't desrcibe it as 'fun' because it's the sort of the film that for me, can only be watched once a year or so to really appreciate it.
I like both but as i said only prefer one over the other depending on the quality of the last movie that they in, the recent one was predators which was a decent sequel especially compared to the crossovers. I like the xenomorphs from aliens the best out of all depictions, and the first predator creature from the first film.
Both are scii/fi horrors but in the alien franchise, namely the first two perhaps three, it had a more tense atmosphere, kept you on the edge of your seat. Predator while brutal and gory had a slightly tense and suspenseful atmosphere but was action orientated and amusing.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 19, 2012, 06:34:17 PM
The numbers don't lie, folks.
They sure don't.
Alien
4 films grossing $554m (worldwide unadjusted)
RT average 72.5%
IMDB average rating 7.4/10
5 Oscar nominations for 2 wins.
Predator
3 films grossing $282m
RT average 55%
IMDB average rating 6.8/10
1 Oscar Nomination.
Aliens had more Oscar nominations as well as greater reviews, they are both legendary films and a highlight of the 80s and 70s
Quote from: SM on Jan 20, 2012, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 19, 2012, 06:34:17 PM
The numbers don't lie, folks.
They sure don't.
Alien
4 films grossing $554m (worldwide unadjusted)
RT average 72.5%
IMDB average rating 7.4/10
5 Oscar nominations for 2 wins.
Predator
3 films grossing $282m
RT average 55%
IMDB average rating 6.8/10
1 Oscar Nomination.
Oh yeah? Check out these numbers:
Poll
Which species do you prefer and why?
Predators - 539 (54.6%)
Aliens - 449 (45.4%)
Total Members Voted: 944
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 20, 2012, 04:23:50 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 20, 2012, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 19, 2012, 06:34:17 PM
The numbers don't lie, folks.
They sure don't.
Alien
4 films grossing $554m (worldwide unadjusted)
RT average 72.5%
IMDB average rating 7.4/10
5 Oscar nominations for 2 wins.
Predator
3 films grossing $282m
RT average 55%
IMDB average rating 6.8/10
1 Oscar Nomination.
Oh yeah? Check out these numbers:
Poll
Which species do you prefer and why?
Predators - 539 (54.6%)
Aliens - 449 (45.4%)
Total Members Voted: 944
To be honest that is just for this site only and not all members join to post in forums or vote in polls. anywho, they are both awesome creature and films were great though its sad the audience was fickle with predator, the initial reaction was mixed or negative, now its considered a masterpiece.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 20, 2012, 04:23:50 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 20, 2012, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 19, 2012, 06:34:17 PM
The numbers don't lie, folks.
They sure don't.
Alien
4 films grossing $554m (worldwide unadjusted)
RT average 72.5%
IMDB average rating 7.4/10
5 Oscar nominations for 2 wins.
Predator
3 films grossing $282m
RT average 55%
IMDB average rating 6.8/10
1 Oscar Nomination.
Oh yeah? Check out these numbers:
Poll
Which species do you prefer and why?
Predators - 539 (54.6%)
Aliens - 449 (45.4%)
Total Members Voted: 944
IMDB averages from:
Alien 632,312 votes
Predator 244,631 votes
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Haha! I demand a recount!
Quote from: SM on Jan 21, 2012, 12:37:48 AM
IMDB averages from:
Alien 632,312 votes
Predator 244,631 votes
Noooo !
Quote from: SM on Jan 21, 2012, 12:37:48 AM
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 20, 2012, 04:23:50 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 20, 2012, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 19, 2012, 06:34:17 PM
The numbers don't lie, folks.
They sure don't.
Alien
4 films grossing $554m (worldwide unadjusted)
RT average 72.5%
IMDB average rating 7.4/10
5 Oscar nominations for 2 wins.
Predator
3 films grossing $282m
RT average 55%
IMDB average rating 6.8/10
1 Oscar Nomination.
Oh yeah? Check out these numbers:
Poll
Which species do you prefer and why?
Predators - 539 (54.6%)
Aliens - 449 (45.4%)
Total Members Voted: 944
IMDB averages from:
Alien 632,312 votes
Predator 244,631 votes
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See it only makes sence that alien has more fans
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 19, 2012, 06:10:10 PM
There are more alien films than predator ones, so it makes sense if there were more alien fans plus Alien came out in the late 70's, predator was out in 87 i think.
I like the logic in that. ::)
well if alien was out longer it would have had plenty of time to build fans and predator has obviously built just as many or more now since 87.
i enjoy watching both species do their dirty work but the Aliens i always liked better, the beauty of the original design is what gets me(dont get me wrong the predator is always an amazing creature just not as interesting as the xenomorph)
"dirty work"? nevermind. :laugh:
Xenomorphs are more interesting yes, they have a lot of mystery and their design is excellent. they are described by ash as perfect organism.
Aliens all the way baby.
Nice set here! I love the signature.
The avatar reminds me of Species.
thanks man! I like yours as well. Very creative.
Woa, that is awesome ! :o
I love your avatar fry. Very dark and majestic! I love it.
Thanks ;D Did you make your own avatar and/or sig ?
Yes I did :)
Quote from: fry1236 on Feb 05, 2012, 05:40:14 AM
Thanks ;D Did you make your own avatar and/or sig ?
"Girlfriend! Is that your real hair? Fabulous!". Lol
i love both.
but when their combined together in films they are god awful. the god awful retarded avp films turned the predator into Santa's raindeer and turned the alien into the easter bunny.
Quote from: Ripley Clone 8 on Feb 04, 2012, 11:21:12 PM
thanks man! I like yours as well. Very creative.
You know at first glance, I thought your avatar was the Terminator :P yeah, I was waaaaaaaaaay off the mark lol
LOL, well now you know. So whats up.
Thank You Fry! :)
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:D reminds me of abe and preston.
Predators, they have an amazing design with the armor and weapons. i like the way the kill and hunt they're pray.
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Thank You Fry! :)
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Sorry to say this, but those three pictures are some of the most re-posted things on this site.
Good¡¡ what a thought decition, haha mm ill take the predator but the alien is such an amazing organism.....
I picked the aliens because they need some love in this thread. ;D H. R. Giger is legend.
Definitely the aliens. The design is perfect and just what an "alien" should look like.
Been here for several months and never posted. Its a tough call for me, since the xenomorph has been part of my childhood more than the predator, but I've always liked humanoid monsters and predator fits the bill.
Alien for me,the whole design and lifecycle of the creature is amazing.
Both creatures are complex organisms which is what appeals to people, they are or were mysterious killers from outer space who we knew nothing much about but recent films have over-exposed them, taking much of the mystery.
Predator.
Its what made me love both franchises, I do love Alien, but Predator is where I am at. ;)
Aliens! I love the design. The only advantage predators have over them is in technology. Without it, the species is quite boring. Aliens don't need tech. Acid for blood, blade-like tail, double jaws, and claws are all great characteristics of the Xenomorph that are natural. Like Ash said, the perfect organism. Acid for blood is a great defense mechanism. Predators or humans are not better organisms, the only advantage they have is tech. When it comes down to the organism itself, the Alien can take both with ease. The reproductive cycle is also fascinating. Not to mention the Alien is the most terrifying creature I've ever seen. Predator is cool and all... But aliens are just better in my eyes. I liked the Alien films more too.
sorry all you alien fans but imma have to say predators rule while you guys drool ;D
Aliens for me simply because there entire body is a weapon meanwile predators rely on tech
I like them both alot, but i have to pick predator because thats the first one i seen then i saw alien so, i pick PREDATOR!
I think by this point, I slightly prefer the Alien.
Honestly I can't decide. Even though the Predators would probably annihilate the aliens in an actual "war", I say I like them both the same. The sheer ferocity of the aliens is just sweet and the gadgetry of the predators is nice too. Plus I enjoy the alien caste system and how their appearance depends on their host. Let's not forget the acid blood. As for the Predators, their motherships look like they can end a war alone and their trophy kills are nasty. Moviewise, I would say overall, that the alien films were more enjoyable.
I would definitely say that the design of the aliens is better and that it is, in my opinion, what an "alien" should look like. However, I chose the Predator because I just like the Predator better for it is what made me love the franchises.
Quote from: War Wager on Mar 26, 2007, 11:25:00 PM
Aliens for me because:
- they have a really cool design
- have an interseting life cycle
- most original (what I mean by that is that they are not civilised or sophisticated in any way. Predators believe in honour and have made their own weapons, clans, ships and probably religions, Aliens are just creatures from outer-space that have one drive and that is to breed and kill, thats original)
the alien is the best, for that reasons
Its pred till I'm dead... Nuff said.
Predator. I like the Alien films and the creature but i just love the predator movies and the design of him :)
thats a difficult question to answer.. bcos IMAO..humans are like a delicate balance of alien and predator.. and we become predaliens if either side gets the upper hand...(i will post a separate thread on this topic if there isnt already one)...
Quote from: Annapurna1 on Jan 05, 2013, 01:14:28 AM
thats a difficult question to answer.. bcos IMAO..humans are like a delicate balance of alien and predator.. and we become predaliens if either side gets the upper hand...(i will post a separate thread on this topic if there isnt already one)...
Interesting, personally, I find Preds more similar to humans and that's one of the reasons I'm a bigger fan of them than xenos. Though I can understand
why one can see that
Quotedelicate balance
.
HA!
more predator fans ;D
Each one has its unique characteristic. Also, each one brought new and fresh impact during its time.
Sure, parastic nature and space nomedic hunting may not be totally unique even during that time, but the way they were executed totally makes them unique imo. There weren't that many alien parasites when Alien debut. (Though I feel bogus about Exlt being predecessor of Alien as Fox lost copyright law suit. Hopefully, Assassin's Creed team won't lose to greedy lawsuit.)
BTW, Alien's nature is not that far fetched. There are parasitic creatures like that on earth. Wasp for example lay eggs inside other larvas. Later, Wasp larvas bust out of their hosts.
Predator on the other hand, is about honor which make me choose them over Alien. Their unique technology. Their unique sound. Signature.
The preference of each species shows each person's taste I think.
I prefer the predators slightly more. Even though I have great respect for the originality as well as the ferocity of both species I just have to go with the predators. Aliens are born with a natural skill at being efficient, deadly killing machines. On the other hand, humans depend on their tools and training to survive and get the job done. However, Predators, in my opinion, take the best of all these aspects in order to survive. They train themselves to become natural killing machines like the Aliens and they equip themselves with tools and training like Marines would. Ultimately they make themselves better for it by learning and adapting through others. What else is there to say? *shrugs* ;D
I much prefer Aliens, I like my sci fi dirty and as 'realistic' as possible.
I love Aliens for many reasons, but the main one is that they are by far more eerie and, well, scary. You could most likely reason with a predator, and get them to spare/work with you. You absolutely can not get an Alien to follow your will. Then theres the fact that aliens swarm, creating a very ominous reading on a motion tracker. You check the tracker and only see one dot compared to checking and seeing a solid wall coming towards you. To further illustrate my point, think about how well you could barricade a place to stop a Predator, then think about Aliens. With a Predator you just seal up the hallways, lay down a few sentry guns, and pray they don't have very good explosives. With Aliens, you do the same thing, but just when you think your safe you realize that A) Your sentry guns just ran out of ammo, B) The power just got cut, C) Now they're past the barriers and walls without even being seen, D) HOLY S*** they're in the ceiling!
Predators easily. They're badass, mostly have a sense of honor, awesome weapons and armor, and more variety then the Aliens.
What more can I say.
You're right, no need to say anything more..
Of course he is right, because that is his opinion. Its not like there can be a wrong answer here.
ALIENS, of course! No competition here (or at least there shouldn't be one ;) )
Well if the AvP movies are anything to go by, the competition never ends.
It just slowly descends into darker depths of stupidity.
AVP was a bad idea right from the beginning, and trying to convert the travesty onto the silver screen was, is, and will forever be, a mistake. On the drawing board Aliens vs. Predators sounds like a great idea, but it's just superficial. Knee-deep nonsense. Keep em' separated (...except for a AVP game here and there... just saying... sometimes you just want to duke it out, claws & wrist blades, preferably with a paltry marine stuck in between).
Is your objection against crossovers in general or do you believe the themes and concepts don't truly mesh together?
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 27, 2013, 07:03:48 PM
Is your objection against crossovers in general or do you believe the themes and concepts don't truly mesh together?
Both
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2013, 06:02:04 PM
AVP was a bad idea right from the beginning, and trying to convert the travesty onto the silver screen was, is, and will forever be, a mistake. On the drawing board Aliens vs. Predators sounds like a great idea, but it's just superficial. Knee-deep nonsense. Keep em' separated (...except for a AVP game here and there... just saying... sometimes you just want to duke it out, claws & wrist blades, preferably with a paltry marine stuck in between).
It worked just fine in the comics. No seemed to be complaining then.
Now when I vote for the Xenomorphs. Does that mean I am also voting for the Predalien?
Quote from: GET TO THE CHOPPA! on Feb 27, 2013, 11:54:36 PM
Now when I vote for the Xenomorphs. Does that mean I am also voting for the Predalien?
Seeing as it is just an Alien birthed out of a Predator rather than a human I would say yes, yes you are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZuw4Dd56Po# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZuw4Dd56Po#)
No pred fan should miss this interesting doc.
Pred till Iz dead
Been wanting to watch that, actually, but I'm going to wait until after I watch the Predator trilogy again.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2013, 11:52:41 PM
It worked just fine in the comics. No seemed to be complaining then.
I never liked the comics either. Thought they were crap the first time I read them way back in the day.
Fair enough. I haven't met anyone before who thought that but there ya go :)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 28, 2013, 05:44:06 PM
Fair enough. I haven't met anyone before who thought that but there ya go :)
The comics made the Aliens look like weak mindless freaks swarming these noble demi-god space samurai warriors, with humans in the sidelines blasting away, joining the bug hunt. Blergh!
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2013, 05:53:17 PM
The comics made the Aliens look like weak mindless freaks swarming these noble demi-god space samurai warriors, with humans in the sidelines blasting away, joining the bug hunt. Blergh!
But they are. *
runs
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2013, 05:53:17 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 28, 2013, 05:44:06 PM
Fair enough. I haven't met anyone before who thought that but there ya go :)
The comics made the Aliens look like weak mindless freaks swarming these noble demi-god space samurai warriors, with humans in the sidelines blasting away, joining the bug hunt. Blergh!
This is true, and why I was dissapointed by the first AvP comic.
The xenomorphs all the way.
Mostly cause they are my favourite and have the coolest designs. Plus I like reading all about them and the theories of where they came from etc etc.
Plus they ARE constantly referred to as the 'perfect organism'.
Plus with the way Ripley represents them in the movies:
"God damn it, that's not all! Because if one of those things gets down here then that will be all! Then all this - this bullshit that you think is so important, you can just kiss all that goodbye!" - quote from aliens c:
They are the deadliest lifeform, as is said on many occasions.
But that's just my opinion c:
Aliens definitely have the better design. But it seems most people's criteria for "preferred species" is who will win in a fight.
Aliens are a lot more gruesome and horrifying but Predators are a lot more interesting to me. There's only so much you can appreciate a creature that only kills and breeds. Predators have a whole lot more interesting things going on. There's an entire history of predators we've never heard any details about. The story of the aliens is nearly complete.
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 10, 2013, 01:40:28 PM
Aliens are a lot more gruesome and horrifying but Predators are a lot more interesting to me. There's only so much you can appreciate a creature that only kills and breeds. Predators have a whole lot more interesting things going on. There's an entire history of predators we've never heard any details about. The story of the aliens is nearly complete.
Aliens kill and breed.
Predators?............ kill.
We don't know the history of both species. Except for some half-assed, lame explanation in Prometheus, which doesn't really tell us anything.
You just like Predators more. Don't try to justify it.
Quote from: DontRelaxJustYetMarines on Mar 10, 2013, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 10, 2013, 01:40:28 PM
Aliens are a lot more gruesome and horrifying but Predators are a lot more interesting to me. There's only so much you can appreciate a creature that only kills and breeds. Predators have a whole lot more interesting things going on. There's an entire history of predators we've never heard any details about. The story of the aliens is nearly complete.
Aliens kill and breed.
Predators?............ kill.
We don't know the history of both species. Except for some half-assed, lame explanation in Prometheus, which doesn't really tell us anything.
You just like Predators more. Don't try to justify it.
Predators have an entire structured society that we've only seen glimpses of, Aliens are the engineers bio weapons.
But yes I do prefer predators more :P
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 10, 2013, 01:51:55 PM
Aliens are the engineers bio weapons.
That has only been established in the comics, which doesn't really mean much because of other content in the comics.
It almost seems like it's hinted at though in Prometheus, if you believe the Engineers used the black goo to create aliens.
I like the predators because of its awesomness. i like the aliens too alot and the original is always my favorite design.
but predators have something that attracts me to it like the alien.
oh yeah, so can anyone tell me what is an ORIGINAL xeno if we see human,predator,bull,dog spawned one?
and what would an alien look like if a facehugger jumped on a:
predator hound
river ghost
Thas all i got so there
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 10, 2013, 01:51:55 PM
Quote from: DontRelaxJustYetMarines on Mar 10, 2013, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 10, 2013, 01:40:28 PM
Aliens are a lot more gruesome and horrifying but Predators are a lot more interesting to me. There's only so much you can appreciate a creature that only kills and breeds. Predators have a whole lot more interesting things going on. There's an entire history of predators we've never heard any details about. The story of the aliens is nearly complete.
Aliens kill and breed.
Predators?............ kill.
We don't know the history of both species. Except for some half-assed, lame explanation in Prometheus, which doesn't really tell us anything.
You just like Predators more. Don't try to justify it.
Predators have an entire structured society that we've only seen glimpses of, Aliens are the engineers bio weapons.
But yes I do prefer predators more :P
We've already seen a large variety of societies in reality, in humans, like hunters, hunter-gatherers, nomads, monarchy, democracy, etc etc. Not to mention the different kinds of animal societies. What could they think of that could actually, really surprise us?
Besides that, Predators are already too human-like. And they fall squarely into the proud warrior race trope.
On the other hand, we've never seen a bio weapon in reality that's also a (society of sentient) complex organisms. Think of the potential there.
I saw Predator back in theatres and ever scence then I've liked those awsome alien hunters. When Dark Horse started makeing the comics I just had to read them. Also I went to see Predator 2 when it came out 3 years later. Ever sence then I've liked those things.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 10, 2013, 08:28:44 PM
It almost seems like it's hinted at though in Prometheus, if you believe the Engineers used the black goo to create aliens.
Most probably what they're going to estabilish for certain in the next movie.
Aliens by far. The Predator if the first movie was great, but I must say I wasnt crazy about the others
Quote from: zasz on Mar 27, 2013, 07:53:57 AM
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 10, 2013, 01:51:55 PM
Quote from: DontRelaxJustYetMarines on Mar 10, 2013, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Mar 10, 2013, 01:40:28 PM
Aliens are a lot more gruesome and horrifying but Predators are a lot more interesting to me. There's only so much you can appreciate a creature that only kills and breeds. Predators have a whole lot more interesting things going on. There's an entire history of predators we've never heard any details about. The story of the aliens is nearly complete.
Aliens kill and breed.
Predators?............ kill.
We don't know the history of both species. Except for some half-assed, lame explanation in Prometheus, which doesn't really tell us anything.
You just like Predators more. Don't try to justify it.
Predators have an entire structured society that we've only seen glimpses of, Aliens are the engineers bio weapons.
But yes I do prefer predators more :P
We've already seen a large variety of societies in reality, in humans, like hunters, hunter-gatherers, nomads, monarchy, democracy, etc etc. Not to mention the different kinds of animal societies. What could they think of that could actually, really surprise us?
Besides that, Predators are already too human-like. And they fall squarely into the proud warrior race trope.
On the other hand, we've never seen a bio weapon in reality that's also a (society of sentient) complex organisms. Think of the potential there.
We have rarely if not never space nomadic hunting tribes in cinema. And Bio weapon has also been done to death before Alien.
It was sued for copyright issue. (Space voyage, IXLT)
The copyright issue had to do with the plot, not that the Alien itself wasn't unique.
Quote from: SiL on May 06, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
The copyright issue had to do with the plot, not that the Alien itself wasn't unique.
Actually, EXLT also impregnated hosts with its eggs iirc. Not saying Alien is unique. It is. I could understand the case, but other two copyright cases after that were downright sham. I don't know where the hell did they get balls to sue Fox. I really want to punch those two authors to face.
Well, Predator is a helluva lot like The Most Dangerous Game.
So they both took inspirations from places.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 06, 2013, 02:34:35 AM
Well, Predator is a helluva lot like The Most Dangerous Game.
So they both took inspirations from places.
Predator basically
is TMDG but with an alien monster. Alien is a haunted house movie in space.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 06, 2013, 02:57:16 AM
Predator basically is TMDG but with an alien monster.
And that's why I love it so.
Alien 1. most unique design giger was a genius 2. the infinite evolution possibility cause anything(animal/human/predator/engineer) they always take on a form similar to the host tht was impregnated. so they have ability to consatantly evolve in some way, 3. they have no allies 4 the simple fact in order for alien to be born it pretty much kills its host so no one is safe around an alien species, 4. Aliens have an extremely high intelligence (shown specifically in alien resurrection) 5. Aliens do what they must to survive even if they must wound or kill one of their own, aliens to me are truely an impressive species, if they existed in real life mankind would no longer exist period. ;D
Alien all day erryday
Don't hate the alien hate the swaggg
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Hi I voted in as a favorite but the alien predator does not cease to be my favorite too
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Alien. Often times the predators get all the cool gadgets, and can kill unsuspecting aliens easily. But all it takes for a pred's demise is for one sneaky bastard of a xenomorph getting behind or on top of him for the kill.
Bottom line: aliens are born to kill.
They're both born to kill. It's a question of who sees who first, IMO.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2013, 01:04:10 PM
They're both born to kill. It's a question of who sees who first, IMO.
Doom, you win.
The scary thing about the alien is, it attacks with no inhibitions and causes panic, and in turn, causes the best of the best of the best (CMs :laugh:) to lose their cool. The Predator mind-f**ks its prey.
When it comes to killing methods, Predators all day. One just never knows how they're going to be killed. Exciting!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2013, 01:04:10 PM
They're both born to kill. It's a question of who sees who first, IMO.
Yes, that too. I was going along the thought of Predators having little reason to kill if they did not have such mentality in the first place, and could not devise the lethal weapons they are known for. The Alien, on the other hand, is an organism born to kill in order to survive and propagate. It also doesn't require any tools in the process.
But the thing is, with Predators it's not NEARLY as much about killing to kill as it is for sport, honor, rank and status among their race. That along with their intelligence are some of the things that has always put them far above the Xenos for me.
Quote from: DarkenedWolf on Jul 24, 2013, 10:14:02 PM
But the thing is, with Predators it's not NEARLY as much about killing to kill as it is for sport, honor, rank and status among their race. That along with their intelligence are some of the things that has always put them far above the Xenos for me.
Yes, but it's in their sentient hostility and passion. It's part of their mentality, not what they MUST do to survive. I kinda see your point being that they were made so, but I respect the Aliens for it being a necessity to them, while it's only an urge and an impetus derived from sentient thought for the Predators.
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Yes, but it's in their sentient hostility and passion. It's part of their mentality, not what they MUST do to survive. I kinda see your point being that they were made so, but I respect the Aliens for it being a necessity to them, while it's only an urge and an impetus derived from sentient thought for the Predators.
I wouldn't call it an "urge" for the Predators. It's more like their culture, just like any other race has. They are raised into it and dedicate their whole lives to that image. Hence, death before dishonor.
Quote from: DarkenedWolf on Jul 24, 2013, 10:27:40 PM
I wouldn't call it an "urge" for the Predators. It's more like their culture, just like any other race has. They are raised into it and dedicate their whole lives to that image. Hence, death before dishonor.
Well, culture does provide urge.
Take what you will, even if the Alien is not as individually efficient as the Predator at killing, it's still a fearsome foe in most instances, as it was born to be.
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Quote from: DarkenedWolf on Jul 24, 2013, 10:27:40 PM
I wouldn't call it an "urge" for the Predators. It's more like their culture, just like any other race has. They are raised into it and dedicate their whole lives to that image. Hence, death before dishonor.
Well, culture does provide urge.
Take what you will, even if the Alien is not as individually efficient as the Predator at killing, it's still a fearsome foe in most instances, as it was born to be.
That is very true indeed. Predators to me are just more complex and not just animals with survival instincts from another plant, and thus more interesting.
I guess its safe to say that Predators are taught to be killers while Aliens are born killers, yes?
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Jul 24, 2013, 10:47:27 PM
I guess its safe to say that Predators are taught to be killers while Aliens are born killers, yes?
For the most part that's fairly accurate yes. Predators are also BORN into that kind of teaching in a way. They are raised from it, likely from the get-go and probably don't know any other way of living.
Aliens because they have acid blood and are all around fascinating. Sure they are weak as one but in numbers they are unstoppable!
I wouldn't call a lone Alien weak. It stood its ground against Celtic well-enough.
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Aliens because they have acid blood and are all around fascinating. Sure they are weak as one but in numbers they are unstoppable!
Nukes are good stopping them. ;)
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I like them both equally. I have to say though I would rather be killed by a Predator than an Alien. In a first-contact scenario, Predators are more likely to be merciful if you prove yourself. Aliens don't care, they're animals, they'll maul you unrecognizable. Not to mention, if caught in close quarters, Aliens are physically stronger than Predators seeing how they don't rely on technology, and the animal qualities make them more dangerous.
Xenomorphs:
-They kill people
-Unique design
-Can acquire host's genetic traits to adapt to its environment
-Are not a natural species
-Can overpower practically anything
-THEY'RE AWESOME
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Have to go with Predators, Xenomorphs probably do have the better character design though.
The Predators. Even though I was a fan of the Alien films first.
In the Alien movies I cheer for the humans, but in Predator 1 and 2 I root for the Predators.
I freaking love both! but i think i like predator a bit better... His visual, equipaments and miths just make him more cooler to me.
But in my opinion both xenos and predators are equally awesome in their on way. They are definitely the best alien creatures ever created in the history of fictional entertainment!! :D
Quote from: Junone Master on Nov 09, 2013, 08:36:09 PM
I freaking love both! but i think i like predator a bit better... His visual, equipaments and miths just make him more cooler to me.
But in my opinion both xenos and predators are equally awesome in their on way. They are definitely the best alien creatures ever created in the history of fictional entertainment!! :D
Respect on the Hawkins pro pic. The other night I jokingly textually dissed my female friend, saying Hawkins' jokes were based on my fiend's twat lol.
Sidenote: she replied with something like "the last time you saw a vaj, was when the movie was in theatres" !!!!!!!!
#shewonthatone
#pretilli'mdead
Do you think this thread is good for analyzing each individual's psychology?
I mean both creatures are fundamentally different, catering to different audience.
This thread's as good as any, sure :)
Alien by far Lovecraftian monster from the darkest depths of evolution and imagination, beats crabhead anyday in my books.
Alien for me and it's not close. I love how everyone thinks the Preds have "honor". No they are just dicks in my eyes. Think about it, the Predators are smart enough to make moral decisions. They kill People and Aliens just for sport not for food or reproduction like the Aliens. The Aliens are really the good guys in the avp universe, and by good I mean neutral while both the Predators and Humans seem to always have some devious scheme. The aliens just survive. Do we think lions are evil for killing a zebra to survive? no. I'd love for the aliens to get the "good guy" treatment in one of the films like the Predators do but I know that's a pipe dream.
There's nothing good about the alien and what it represents. It's a plague that needs to be destroyed...by the Predator. ;)
I've always been into the Aliens because the Aliens universe had a far larger scope and far more to explore and intrigue me with as opposed to the Predator which takes place in the modern world. (which is also the Predator's strength too)
Quote from: Master Chief on Dec 13, 2013, 03:52:53 AM
There's nothing good about the alien and what it represents. It's a plague that needs to be destroyed...by the Predator. ;)
This guy...he knows what's up.
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Dec 13, 2013, 06:16:56 AM
I've always been into the Aliens because the Aliens universe had a far larger scope and far more to explore and intrigue me with as opposed to the Predator which takes place in the modern world. (which is also the Predator's strength too)
The pred history takes place in just as long an expanse of time as the xenos. Check the movies and EU.
Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Nov 24, 2013, 04:38:45 PM
Alien by far Lovecraftian monster from the darkest depths of evolution and imagination, beats crabhead anyday in my books.
One of the main problems I have with the Predator is how human he looks and not in an eerie way.
I think you mean humanoid. I don't know too many humans who have mandibles.
Too human in their actions too humanoid in appearance.
Aliens are better "Aliens"
You mean, the Alien made from a human host? Except for the A3 of course.
All of them are varying levels of more "Alien."
I find the alien more interesting, personally, simply due to its impact on modern cinema. My reverence for the films has little to do with the characters and more to do with the exposure it brought to certain genres of film. Lamenting on the actual characters biology, or actions etc outside of story narrative function seems quite irrelevant. To me, that is.
I find it fascinating how some individuals actually spend a great deal of time postulating over aspects legitimately left to those writers sanctioned by Fox. I don't understand the recreational value, but then again, that's is clearly just myself.
To be fair, some interesting points, however irrelevant to the development of the companies intellectual property, are somewhat intriguing.
Alien!! always Alien... ;D LoL... as a warrior ,I like Alien, especially Smooth dome xenomorph warrior or Drone...
I like Predator too anyway... But talking about hostile creature ,I feel Alien gotfar more impact on me...
the only thing I don like from predator is their lack of armor... I prefer them to use slightly full-armor like, hmmm... perhaps similar to middle earth jousting knight. Somehow their appearance and lack of armor always remind me more of barbarian rather than a warrior.
but I like their face, dreadlock, shuriken very much...
at first I always think alien rely on their sheer number, but after I saw AVP1, I begin to view alien differently. They are a powerful and deadly fast warrior. A clever xenomorph is apparently very dangerous to fight one on one combat, even a normal size xenomorph in AVP1 able to throw and pinned down large predator Celtic. No wonder yautja treat them as their primary nemesis for their hunt.
So I go w/ alien. especially on AVP1, while in AVP2 somehow they appear more stupid. They are charging forward without considering enemy's weapons. And alien in avp2 tend to rely on their secondary jaw and claw rather than their deadly tail. Somehow Alien in AVP2 have a rigged head.
Kaze, you shouldn't base your opinion on them through the AVP films, they're pretty shit honestly and don't represent either creature well.
Look at the Alien Trilogy for real Xenomorphs and "Predator" & "Predator 2" for real predators.
Aliens are a far much more original concept, and also have 3 great movies behind them.
Predators are cool,but not that original (they are, but not as much as the Alien) and they only have one good movie representing them.
Alien for for me
-They use numbers to their advantage
-They are sly and quiet
-They are extremely fast and deadly
-They have acid for blood
-They have a damn 2nd mouth?? Who wouldn't want a mini mouth lol
I picked the Aliens because:
• They use the darkness to their advantage
• They are more stealthy than Predators
• They have many different species
• They can scare their prey so bad they're paralyzed with fear
and those are the reasons I chose the Aliens over the Predators, thanks for reading! ;D
I choose the Predators because :
-> They have a big variety of weapons and equipment to choose from .
-> Some Predators look really badass with their helmets.
-> I like being stealthy just for a while so I can't stand with the Alien forever .
-> They are a organized species and probably clever than the Aliens ( Predators can build ships , Aliens can't )
-> They are brave and they don't run ( if an Alien is badly injured , most of the time they will run ) and they have honor .
Also , one thing that I like about the aliens is the design . ;D
I like my honour with a side dish of cloaking device and computer guided lasers.
The predator doesn't have THAT much honor.
It'd be like Mike Tyson coming after a regular non conditioned human with camouflage and a hunting rifle.
Quote from: SM on Jun 20, 2014, 09:46:51 PM
I like my honour with a side dish of cloaking device and computer guided lasers.
They can be honourable. Scar let Weyland go after realizing he was asthmatic and Pussyface let Leona go after discovering she was pregnant.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 20, 2014, 09:54:22 PM
The predator doesn't have THAT much honor.
It'd be like Mike Tyson coming after a regular non conditioned human with camouflage and a hunting rifle.
When does this movie come out?!?
I can just imagine one of those redneck groups of overweight overarmed neighbourhood watch guys playing army dressups getting picked off.
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Quote from: SM on Jun 20, 2014, 09:46:51 PM
I like my honour with a side dish of cloaking device and computer guided lasers.
They can be honourable. Scar let Weyland go after realizing he was asthmatic and Pussyface let Leona go after discovering she was pregnant.
I think most big game hunters today would be hesitant to kill something that was old, sick, or pregnant. Not exactly "honour", though.
Why would they?
Not a good trophy. No challenge to it, no sport. Not really the same as an honour code.
Alien-the original creature i find the most interesting.A unpredictable wild and savage semi-intelligent life-form let loose on board a ship to fend for itself.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 21, 2014, 09:00:04 PM
Not a good trophy. No challenge to it, no sport.
Exactly. No honour in killing a weak opponent.
It's not honour, it's sport. There aren't any bragging rights in saying "I totally killed this 80 year old naked dude".
Quote from: SiL on Jun 23, 2014, 02:08:04 PM
It's not honour, it's sport. There aren't any bragging rights in saying "I totally killed this 80 year old naked dude".
Doesn't some homeless guy get killed by the Predator in the subway-just for being in the way,in Pedator 2?
not that I can remember
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jun 23, 2014, 09:20:31 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 23, 2014, 02:08:04 PM
It's not honour, it's sport. There aren't any bragging rights in saying "I totally killed this 80 year old naked dude".
Doesn't some homeless guy get killed by the Predator in the subway-just for being in the way,in Pedator 2?
No. Everyone killed in the subway was armed.
Wasn't that the whole joke anyway?
Pretty much. Even the old grannies were packing.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 23, 2014, 11:08:15 PM
Pretty much. Even the old grannies were packing.
I'm sure i remember seeing Danny Glover's character chase after the Predator in the subway and from a distance he sees the Pedator kill someone.
That was Lambert.
Who was already quite dead at that point. He was just taking the head/spine for his trophy case.
Preddie was apparently impressed by The Paxton. Golf-ball ahoy!
Well he did politely ask it for a dance.
Predator
My vote is for the Alien, partly because that's what it is - alien. It's got no eyes, for one thing, which means that its entire perception of reality is likely to be very different from our own. The acid blood suggests a very interesting biochemistry, the inner jaw mechanism is downright weird, and of course there's the life cycle.
There are also thematic aspects of the Alien that I appreciate. On an individual basis, the life cycle has an element of body horror, and the species represents infection and pestilence both on an individual level and on the level of an entire infestation. And of course, eusocial species and hive-building species are always interesting on their own.
Wolf Predator
I've been a HUGE Alien fan ever since I saw Aliens when I was around 6-7 years old ;D
Ironically I've also been a fan of parasitoid wasps ever since I can remember and I never, even for a moment, made the conncetion between the Alien's life cycle and those wasps until a few years ago ::)
It's a tough cookie but I must say: Predator. Despite Alien's greatness and finesse. Predator is just perfect.
i go with the alien because they are my chlidhood hero they are very awsome they kinda look like a dinosaur their tails claws and how it looks is very awsome.
Quote from: predalien100 on Nov 25, 2014, 02:16:59 PM
i go with the alien because they are my chlidhood hero they are very awsome they kinda look like a dinosaur their tails claws and how it looks is very awsome.
Interesting. I've never considered the Alien to be a hero, but only a villain. I can see how one would call it a hero...if they wanted all of mankind dead! ;)
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Quote from: predalien100 on Nov 25, 2014, 02:16:59 PM
i go with the alien because they are my chlidhood hero they are very awsome they kinda look like a dinosaur their tails claws and how it looks is very awsome.
Interesting. I've never considered the Alien to be a hero, but only a villain. I can see how one would call it a hero...if they wanted all of mankind dead! ;)
They may be evil, but at least you don't see them f**king each other over for a goddamned percentage.
They're not evil.
Quote from: Master Chief on Dec 03, 2014, 04:27:07 PM
They're not evil.
No, they're just survivors - but they're still technically villains in a storytelling sense.
Aliens for me they are faster come packs and have a life cycle.
Aliens
-Cool looking with sinister features
- has an evolution scale within lifescale
-A TAIL WITH A SPIKE ON IT
-you can become a queen or a king(in a rare occurrence)
-you have loyal brothers that would never betray you
-sometimes could kill a predator
-could become a praetorian which looks awesome and protects the queen
-pretty fun to play as in video games so imagine real life
- can breath in space
thats all i could think of
Hm, well I do enjoy both creatures a lot. But, if I have to chose, then definitely Predator. I love the designs, their characterizations, they make good heroes and villains too. I get more out of them.
Alien. I just find them to be scarier. The acid blood seals it for cool factor.
predators a far more interesting than xenomorph a because they have been doing what they do for thousands of years and came to earth in ancient times. xenomorph are just natural killers they are not honeareble.
Quote from: XenomorphThatIsAlsoHungry on Dec 24, 2014, 04:41:36 AM
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-you have loyal brothers that would never betray you
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Those backstabbing alien bastards in A:R disagree with you. ;)
For the sake of the Hive, brah.
Haha I know, but it didn't appear to me that the one that was being killed agreed to this plan.
He just wasn't a team player.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jan 21, 2015, 02:43:23 PM
Haha I know, but it didn't appear to me that the one that was being killed agreed to this plan.
The novelization implied that it acknowledged the need for sacrifice. Of course, the film gives the opposite impression.
I choose alien I like them they are smart they are good at being sneaky and have a brute force their tails are a very good weapon they are fast and can climb walls.
Aliens, they more interesting, more "alien" and I love their design, the first three film versions I mean :laugh:
Plus they don't require weapons to kill because they are the weapon.
i am saying alien. they are less human and much scarier.
Predator because they are awesome,bad ass and unique however aliens are more typical and there is so much similarities with other creatures like necromorphs.
If there are similarities, it's because aliens have inspired a lot of monsters.
Its the predator for me.It might sound a bit cruel but i really love the predator pulling out the spinal cord and the skull off the body.And the mask is really badass.Its design is awesome.It is a creature which hunts people and takes skulls as trophies which is very powerful and has many gadgets.Its already superior over pretty much everything.
Quote from: Bodyguard121 on Oct 06, 2015, 08:33:07 PM
[...]i really love the predator pulling out the spinal cord and the skull off the body.[...]
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[...]i really love the predator pulling out the spinal cord and the skull off the body.[...]
:o
What? We all have our fetishes. :laugh:
The Predators.
Let's be honest, they are the big badasses of the galaxy. All about them, from the design to the awesome spine ripping gore, without forgetting the concept of the honorable hunter that combines strength and tech to kill its prey, fascinates me.
Plus little things like how they mock their prey sometimes and their use of the vocal mimicry.
I've always preferred the Predator. They're much more interesting to me, personality, design, stories, everything really. Plus it just goes without saying they're badass.
Aliens all the way. Preds are cool but I'm in it for the horror, adventure and science fiction. The Predator is one step less in all those departments. In the horror one for sure.
I'm going to have to say....Predator. while the Aliens are great I just prefer Predator as a Predator movie is funnier and easier to get into to and I slightly prefer the Predator character over the Aliens.
Of course in a actual fight the Alien should absolutely curbstomp the Predator in a one on one Melee fight rather easily, but that's a totally different argument. :D
Alien. :)
Of course the first Predator movie is great fun and the creature design itself is iconic by now. And TBH, I'd be more interested in Predators if the AvP games I've played made the Predators feel more like an intergalactic game hunter rather than just a Doom-guy with cloak. The first Predator levels of AVP2 were great because they had the feel of stalking and hunting prey in large outdoor enviroments. I think putting Predators in indoors robs them of their character.
It's like Batman or Superman. I love them both for very different reasons. Alien will always be my first introduction to horror movies, Predator takes me back to being a kid, watching it with my dad, spending the next week quoting all the lines to my friends at school
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[...]spending the next week quoting all the lines to my friends at school
Did you tell your teachers that you were a sexual tyrannosaurs?
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Quote from: Novak 1334 on Aug 30, 2016, 10:01:24 PM
[...]spending the next week quoting all the lines to my friends at school
Did you tell your teachers that you were a sexual tyrannosaurs?
I think the teachers got him pushin' too many pencils before he could tell them.
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[...]spending the next week quoting all the lines to my friends at school
Did you tell your teachers that you were a sexual tyrannosaurs?
Yes, the weirdest part was that she yelled back, 'Strap this on your sore ass Blaine!'
Hish
IMO,Predator.Just because he's superior to aliens in combat.I also love the different designs predators have.
Seems like it but Predators ain't the best folks out there - the two species complete each other which I like.
Quote from: Randomizer on Sep 24, 2016, 03:53:09 PMSeems like it but Predators ain't the best folks out there - the two species complete each other which I like.
I wonder what the kill ratio would be if the predators actually tried to exterminate the aliens versus merely hunting them for sport. Somehow I doubt the aliens would fare very well.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2016, 12:06:25 AM
Quote from: Randomizer on Sep 24, 2016, 03:53:09 PMSeems like it but Predators ain't the best folks out there - the two species complete each other which I like.
I wonder what the kill ratio would be if the predators actually tried to exterminate the aliens versus merely hunting them for sport. Somehow I doubt the aliens would fare very well.
Considering the current Cannon Fodder depiction of Aliens now a days, I say the Predator Death Ratio versus the Xeno Death Ratio would be very low in comparison unless they did some kind of ridiculous plot convenience thing like a Super Pred-Aliien. hehe
Alien Trilogy Aliens on the other would be the ones wiping out the Predator Race. :D
Even the Chestburster took Five Shotgun Rounds...
Quote from: g2vd on Sep 27, 2016, 12:19:25 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2016, 12:06:25 AM
Quote from: Randomizer on Sep 24, 2016, 03:53:09 PMSeems like it but Predators ain't the best folks out there - the two species complete each other which I like.
I wonder what the kill ratio would be if the predators actually tried to exterminate the aliens versus merely hunting them for sport. Somehow I doubt the aliens would fare very well.
Considering the current Cannon Fodder depiction of Aliens now a days, I say the Predator Death Ratio versus the Xeno Death Ratio would be very low in comparison unless they did some kind of ridiculous plot convenience thing like a Super Pred-Aliien. hehe
Alien Trilogy Aliens on the other would be the ones wiping out the Predator Race. :D
Even the Chestburster took Five Shotgun Rounds...
Xenomorph Warriors are also seen being taken out by handguns in
Aliens. It goes both ways IMO.
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Quote from: g2vd on Sep 27, 2016, 12:19:25 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2016, 12:06:25 AM
Quote from: Randomizer on Sep 24, 2016, 03:53:09 PMSeems like it but Predators ain't the best folks out there - the two species complete each other which I like.
I wonder what the kill ratio would be if the predators actually tried to exterminate the aliens versus merely hunting them for sport. Somehow I doubt the aliens would fare very well.
Considering the current Cannon Fodder depiction of Aliens now a days, I say the Predator Death Ratio versus the Xeno Death Ratio would be very low in comparison unless they did some kind of ridiculous plot convenience thing like a Super Pred-Aliien. hehe
Alien Trilogy Aliens on the other would be the ones wiping out the Predator Race. :D
Even the Chestburster took Five Shotgun Rounds...
Xenomorph Warriors are also seen being taken out by handguns in Aliens. It goes both ways IMO.
Probably depends on where (and how close) they're shot?
Alien Trilogy Aliens are the ones from the game, Alien Trilogy. Tough SOBs :P
Handgun bullets bounced off the Aliens at range and only did damage point-blank in Aliens.
Ooh, he was mentioning the game. I thought he was referring to the first three films and left out Alien Resurrection for some reason
Quote from: SiL on Sep 27, 2016, 08:26:27 AM
Alien Trilogy Aliens are the ones from the game, Alien Trilogy. Tough SOBs :P
Tough? TOUGH?
TOUGH?!Dude! we're talking about Alien Warriors that in the first level required 4-5 Shotgun Shells point blank to the face to take down by the end of the game we are talking about 10 Shot-Gun Shells being needed to take down just
one and multiple Shells for the Facehugger and don't even get me started on the Chest-Burster. :laugh:
Yeah, but I had pink acid boots on, so what did I care 8)
(Please somebody get the reference ...)
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Yeah, but I had pink acid boots on, so what did I care 8)
(Please somebody get the reference ...)
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That brings back memories.
The recognizable Giger design, the complex life cycle and the mystery behind them makes me choose for the Aliens.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 28, 2016, 11:19:24 AM
Yeah, but I had pink acid boots on, so what did I care 8)
(Please somebody get the reference ...)
You know, I don't think I knew any Aliens-based games existed until I stopped using my PS1 altogether.
Quote from: War Wager on Mar 26, 2007, 11:25:00 PM
Aliens for me because:
- they have a really cool design
- have an interseting life cycle
- most original (what I mean by that is that they are not civilised or sophisticated in any way. Predators believe in honour and have made their own weapons, clans, ships and probably religions, Aliens are just creatures from outer-space that have one drive and that is to breed and kill, thats original)
what that guy said.
Alien is the perfect mix of biology and technology. Predator is the perfect mix of technology and tribalism.
Quote from: Gangster Predator on Mar 27, 2007, 01:51:12 AM
I just made a fan fic about how avp 2 should go down. If it would be species war it would be the queen facing off with the predalien.
Thats the way I made my story!
Coming soon Avp2: Clash of the titans
This must happen! I would easily choose this over AVP:R
Alien
First thing i can say about them, is that they have one very unique original design. (Hands off! You can't top the Alien! 10/10) You think of all other designs they could have made, they made this masterpiece?
I like how the Alien doesn't have eyes, and its unique head shape. I fell in love with the face and head.
A mouth inside a mouth in the form of a tongue like mouth?!?! WHAT??? Oh my god, whoever came up with that idea, i love him! (I said when i was a kid.)
Damn, son! A second mouth, a long tail, cool looking design, scary, can walk on walls?! AND ITS BLACK! I love the color black!
But there's more! So that little scary spider thing is the first step towards becoming an Alien, eh? That facehugger scared me a lot back them.
What an interesting life cycle! Now if i throw a facehugger to a chicken, would that be a Xeno-chicken? Hmm... Somebody make a drawing of that!
I love of all the possible ideas you can have when the facehugger. Be it if, it grabs on to a bear, Leon, etc. Oh the possibilities one can make.
You know you're F-ed when you see one.
The HISS!
Not only the Aliens have many designs, depending on the host, but even single one of just god-like.
And of course, let's not forget about the queen. Can we just agreed she is the Galaxy's world greatest mom?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.porjati.ru%2Fuploads%2Fposts%2F2012-05%2Fthumbs%2F1336977922_1336915315_6_14.jpg&hash=ccac74d55cee03890cd880d13ea46750dbd91608)
So yeah, that's my story. Hardcore Alien fan. Predator is great, too. But he didn't struck me with the awe as the Alien.
Alien wins: Movies: Easily Aliens, the alien movies (even res) have an alien feel to them that is too good to ignore.
Alien wins: Books: I haven't really read any Predator books but I love the alien books like Out of the Shadows.
Both win: Video Games: Tied, I love being an alien throughout their life stages and I love using the all predators weapons and gadgets
Predator wins: Collectibles: Predators, too many badass poses and figures to not have on my shelves.
Overall: Honestly, I can't decide.
Aliens.
There is just something so unique and intriguing about their design. The lack of eyes has made them age extremely well. Giger was one creative individual.
predators
Both!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWQ-15UEIAc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWQ-15UEIAc)
Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 20, 2017, 02:46:34 AM
Alien is the perfect mix of biology and technology. Predator is the perfect mix of technology and tribalism.
Not anymore thanks to
Spoiler
the Rage Trilogy, basically predators are made out to be nothing more than scavengers rather than a unique tribal society that only uses their tech for hunting purposes. Instead of being intelligent yet primitive in their society, the novels heavily suggest they are just scavengers who got what they have by stealing it, not inventing it themselves. One of the reasons I am not too fussed on the rage trilogy is because of this.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 26, 2017, 12:06:53 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 20, 2017, 02:46:34 AM
Alien is the perfect mix of biology and technology. Predator is the perfect mix of technology and tribalism.
Not anymore thanks to Spoiler
the Rage Trilogy, basically predators are made out to be nothing more than scavengers rather than a unique tribal society that only uses their tech for hunting purposes. Instead of being intelligent yet primitive in their society, the novels heavily suggest they are just scavengers who got what they have by stealing it, not inventing it themselves. One of the reasons I am not too fussed on the rage trilogy is because of this.
Actually
Spoiler
it's both.
They invent things but they also scavenge some other useful stuff.
It makes sense, nothing gets stolen/copied more than powerful weapons tech. Humans are also scavengers of technology as well.
Predators build their own ships and each one is unique and custom made by its builder, what's unique is that the pilots design their own ships and their own cloaking fields. If you learn to fly one ship, you will have to completely re-learn another one.
Also, every time humans scavenge Predator tech, the Predators will research and improve their own until very soon they have made something much better than what the humans have scavenged.
Predators will only scavenge what they deem as useful for research to improve their own technology. i don't see the fuss with that, it doesn't make them stupid and they don't exclusively steal. Scavenging and reverse engineering technology also takes a lot more brains and credit than what it's given for.
For instance, if we scavenged a plasma caster now, it'd take us really long to figure out how to use it. First, we'd notice what it's made out of and then the inner designs, then it'd take a lot of research to figure out what makes it function, what's what and how to replicate it. This could take decades.
It's why humans in Rage War don't have the liquid metal Predator ships with fading walls rather than doors, because we have no idea how to replicate this despite having stolen Predator ships. We only know how to replicate their cloaking and plasma weaponry which they keep improving to stay ahead of us within a matter of weeks.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 26, 2017, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 26, 2017, 12:06:53 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 20, 2017, 02:46:34 AM
Alien is the perfect mix of biology and technology. Predator is the perfect mix of technology and tribalism.
Not anymore thanks to Spoiler
the Rage Trilogy, basically predators are made out to be nothing more than scavengers rather than a unique tribal society that only uses their tech for hunting purposes. Instead of being intelligent yet primitive in their society, the novels heavily suggest they are just scavengers who got what they have by stealing it, not inventing it themselves. One of the reasons I am not too fussed on the rage trilogy is because of this.
ActuallySpoiler
it's both.
They invent things but they also scavenge some other useful stuff.
It makes sense, nothing gets stolen/copied more than powerful weapons tech. Humans are also scavengers of technology as well.
Predators build their own ships and each one is unique and custom made by its builder, what's unique is that the pilots design their own ships and their own cloaking fields. If you learn to fly one ship, you will have to completely re-learn another one.
Also, every time humans scavenge Predator tech, the Predators will research and improve their own until very soon they have made something much better than what the humans have scavenged.
Predators will only scavenge what they deem as useful for research to improve their own technology. i don't see the fuss with that, it doesn't make them stupid and they don't exclusively steal. Scavenging and reverse engineering technology also takes a lot more brains and credit than what it's given for.
For instance, if we scavenged a plasma caster now, it'd take us really long to figure out how to use it. First, we'd notice what it's made out of and then the inner designs, then it'd take a lot of research to figure out what makes it function, what's what and how to replicate it. This could take decades.
It's why humans in Rage War don't have the liquid metal Predator ships with fading walls rather than doors, because we have no idea how to replicate this despite having stolen Predator ships. We only know how to replicate their cloaking and plasma weaponry which they keep improving to stay ahead of us within a matter of weeks.
Fair point
Spoiler
but I personally believe it takes away their independence, because now it seems they are what they are due to another species rather than actually evolving into what they are by their own means. Yes, there is still intelligence in having to reverse engineer but it makes them unoriginal, I would expect scavenging from humans but I had always thought of the Yautja as a proud and uniquely independent species.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 26, 2017, 08:22:51 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 26, 2017, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 26, 2017, 12:06:53 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 20, 2017, 02:46:34 AM
Alien is the perfect mix of biology and technology. Predator is the perfect mix of technology and tribalism.
Not anymore thanks to Spoiler
the Rage Trilogy, basically predators are made out to be nothing more than scavengers rather than a unique tribal society that only uses their tech for hunting purposes. Instead of being intelligent yet primitive in their society, the novels heavily suggest they are just scavengers who got what they have by stealing it, not inventing it themselves. One of the reasons I am not too fussed on the rage trilogy is because of this.
ActuallySpoiler
it's both.
They invent things but they also scavenge some other useful stuff.
It makes sense, nothing gets stolen/copied more than powerful weapons tech. Humans are also scavengers of technology as well.
Predators build their own ships and each one is unique and custom made by its builder, what's unique is that the pilots design their own ships and their own cloaking fields. If you learn to fly one ship, you will have to completely re-learn another one.
Also, every time humans scavenge Predator tech, the Predators will research and improve their own until very soon they have made something much better than what the humans have scavenged.
Predators will only scavenge what they deem as useful for research to improve their own technology. i don't see the fuss with that, it doesn't make them stupid and they don't exclusively steal. Scavenging and reverse engineering technology also takes a lot more brains and credit than what it's given for.
For instance, if we scavenged a plasma caster now, it'd take us really long to figure out how to use it. First, we'd notice what it's made out of and then the inner designs, then it'd take a lot of research to figure out what makes it function, what's what and how to replicate it. This could take decades.
It's why humans in Rage War don't have the liquid metal Predator ships with fading walls rather than doors, because we have no idea how to replicate this despite having stolen Predator ships. We only know how to replicate their cloaking and plasma weaponry which they keep improving to stay ahead of us within a matter of weeks.
Fair point Spoiler
but I personally believe it takes away their independence, because now it seems they are what they are due to another species rather than actually evolving into what they are by their own means. Yes, there is still intelligence in having to reverse engineer but it makes them unoriginal, I would expect scavenging from humans but I had always thought of the Yautja as a proud and uniquely independent species.
I think that most of
Spoiler
their stuff they came up with on their own since they do just fine with improving their things.
The scavenging may be more about refining something.
Like at the end of the third book, we already know the Yautja have faster ships than humans, but now they take a Rage ship which has a faster warp drive so they can study it to improve their own warp drives (which they may have invented themselves, but are merely improving it from learning a trick or two from this new alien technology.)
I can understand the caution, the Hish in Forever Midnight were exclusively scavengers and enslaved other races to build for them, this is something I am not a big fan of as it portrays them as brutish savages with no intelligence and makes you wonder how they even survived as long as they did as a species.
I think Lebbon played it safe, it makes sense for the Yautja to build their things but also learn something new from another alien race.
Wow, I'm still quite shocked to see that more people are voting for the Predators :o :o
Aliens all day any day!!
Yautja for me, it's easier to say there's nothing about them I don't find incredibly satisfying and awesome!
For me both but if a have to chose it would be aliens. Because Aliens design are better to me and they seemed to built for killing more than Preds who are built more for hunting.
I like both for different reasons (the Aliens are more creepy), but if push comes to shove, I'm a Predator guy. I'm fascinated by their honour code, technology and brutality.
For me, the Predators are just kind of there. It's always been the Aliens that interested me.
I Love them both. Some of the most iconic monsters in cinema history. But, I think predator for me. They're just so supremely cool!! What's more bad ass than an Alien who hunts other aliens through out the stars. They've got amazing tech, can cloak and look incredible. Plus, I feel like the juxtaposition of tribal brutality and super advanced technology in its own right seems so Alien! It's such a mystery why they hunt, what's the need!? Is it physical? Religious? There is so much you can do with this character! Team Pred!
Quote from: Chronicle on Jun 06, 2017, 12:11:25 AM
Wow, I'm still quite shocked to see that more people are voting for the Predators :o :o
Aliens all day any day!!
I can't believe the Alien has that many votes. I mean, they're just bugs created by an android with daddy issues. ;)
By that rationale, maybe they shouldn't be called "aliens" at all...
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 14, 2017, 05:37:55 PM
Quote from: Chronicle on Jun 06, 2017, 12:11:25 AM
Wow, I'm still quite shocked to see that more people are voting for the Predators :o :o
Aliens all day any day!!
I can't believe the Alien has that many votes. I mean, they're just bugs created by an android with daddy issues. ;)
Too soon man. We are still grieving :-[
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 14, 2017, 05:37:55 PM
Quote from: Chronicle on Jun 06, 2017, 12:11:25 AM
Wow, I'm still quite shocked to see that more people are voting for the Predators :o :o
Aliens all day any day!!
I can't believe the Alien has that many votes. I mean, they're just bugs created by an android with daddy issues. ;)
Hey the vote has to be made on the original Alien as seen and conceived in '79 not its various iterations, aberrations and conflagrations!
^ :laugh:
Quote from: Olde on Sep 14, 2017, 06:59:41 PM
By that rationale, maybe they shouldn't be called "aliens" at all...
Sentients?
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 14, 2017, 08:48:00 PM
Too soon man. We are still grieving :-[
This is how I grieve.
I think the Preds are more interesting as characters, but the Alien design and universe is much better.
So I give it to the Alien, though in the original AvP comic back in the day, I was pulling for broken tusk.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 15, 2017, 02:26:00 AM
I think the Preds are more interesting as characters, but the Alien design and universe is much better.
So I give it to the Alien, though in the original AvP comic back in the day, I was pulling for broken tusk.
I agree with you on the Predator characters being more interesting, but not on the Alien universe (at one point I found it very interesting).
I'm being bratty because I'm very disappointed in Covenant and how it took away the mythos of my beloved insect ;D. I'm starting to think that less backstory would've been better for the franchise. Who knows, maybe the next installment will be better. As for now, RIP to the mysteriousness of the Alien.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 15, 2017, 02:53:34 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 15, 2017, 02:26:00 AM
I think the Preds are more interesting as characters, but the Alien design and universe is much better.
So I give it to the Alien, though in the original AvP comic back in the day, I was pulling for broken tusk.
I agree with you on the Predator characters being more interesting, but not on the Alien universe (at one point I found it very interesting).
I'm being bratty because I'm very disappointed in Covenant and how it took away the mythos of my beloved insect ;D. I'm starting to think that less backstory would've been better for the franchise. Who knows, maybe the next installment will be better. As for now, RIP to the mysteriousness of the Alien.
Agree with you, man. Predators is much more identifiable as a creature with characteristic more than Aliens, because of their insect like appearance. I actually thinks that Aliens have their own characteristic, like LV-1201 Warrior which is a true genocider, but not seen much. I don't like the revealation of the Alien backstory much, as it took away the mysteriousness and if the backstory is disappointing then all the cool factor is gone.
Kinda off topic but it has been bothering me can I change my vote? I like predator more.
Quote from: Darkblade 25 on Oct 05, 2017, 11:33:50 PM
Kinda off topic but it has been bothering me can I change my vote? I like predator more.
I can edit the poll to allow users to change their vote, but I won't. Looks like you're stuck being an Alien fan for the rest of your days. ;)
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 06, 2017, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Darkblade 25 on Oct 05, 2017, 11:33:50 PM
Kinda off topic but it has been bothering me can I change my vote? I like predator more.
I can edit the poll to allow users to change their vote, but I won't. Looks like you're stuck being an Alien fan for the rest of your days. ;)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/qwetfXgpXMdWM/giphy.gif)
I took the liberty of adding in your actual reaction to that poor soul's plight of being stuck as an Alien fan.
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 06, 2017, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Darkblade 25 on Oct 05, 2017, 11:33:50 PM
Kinda off topic but it has been bothering me can I change my vote? I like predator more.
I can edit the poll to allow users to change their vote, but I won't. Looks like you're stuck being an Alien fan for the rest of your days. ;)
Your efforts are futile MC, Predator is still ahead :P
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Oct 06, 2017, 06:07:38 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 06, 2017, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Darkblade 25 on Oct 05, 2017, 11:33:50 PM
Kinda off topic but it has been bothering me can I change my vote? I like predator more.
I can edit the poll to allow users to change their vote, but I won't. Looks like you're stuck being an Alien fan for the rest of your days. ;)
Your efforts are futile MC, Predator is still ahead :P
The Apex-Predator is always ahead in the food chain. :P
Ah well guess I am I don't mind.
8)
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 06, 2017, 05:24:01 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 06, 2017, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Darkblade 25 on Oct 05, 2017, 11:33:50 PM
Kinda off topic but it has been bothering me can I change my vote? I like predator more.
I can edit the poll to allow users to change their vote, but I won't. Looks like you're stuck being an Alien fan for the rest of your days. ;)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/qwetfXgpXMdWM/giphy.gif)
I took the liberty of adding in your actual reaction to that poor soul's plight of being stuck as an Alien fan.
It's literally how I felt when I replied. :laugh:
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Oct 06, 2017, 06:07:38 PM
Your efforts are futile MC, Predator is still ahead :P
haha I know, but
Darkblade 25 's vote will always be for the Alien.
Interesting that Predators are winning. Still Alien for me. Results look like a birth chart for boys/girls being born with boys winning by a short margin.
Aliens, hands down. They don't need technology, they don't look even remotely human. They don't attempt to communicate with or join sides with humans. They are inherently vicious and uncompromising monsters. Tooth, claw, and a razors tail, that's all you get. There are no human emotions like honor, merely an unceasing drive to consume every living thing and spread the species. A lone predator is an isolated problem, a lone alien is the beginning of an extinction level event. Drop them in any story, on any world, and they will take over. They're simply unstoppable. And what they do, and how they do it, is utterly horrifying. They are, as it has been best said, "A Perfect Organism".
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 23, 2018, 03:56:17 AM
Aliens, hands down. They don't need technology, they don't look even remotely human. They don't attempt to communicate with or join sides with humans. They are inherently vicious and uncompromising monsters. Tooth, claw, and a razors tail, that's all you get. There are no human emotions like honor, merely an unceasing drive to consume every living thing and spread the species. A lone predator is an isolated problem, a lone alien is the beginning of an extinction level event. Drop them in any story, on any world, and they will take over. They're simply unstoppable. And what they do, and how they do it, is utterly horrifying. They are, as it has been best said, "A Perfect Organism".
And that is why they need to be destroyed; they serve no purpose. ;)
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 23, 2018, 03:56:17 AM
Aliens, hands down. They don't need technology, they don't look even remotely human. They don't attempt to communicate with or join sides with humans. They are inherently vicious and uncompromising monsters. Tooth, claw, and a razors tail, that's all you get. There are no human emotions like honor, merely an unceasing drive to consume every living thing and spread the species. A lone predator is an isolated problem, a lone alien is the beginning of an extinction level event. Drop them in any story, on any world, and they will take over. They're simply unstoppable. And what they do, and how they do it, is utterly horrifying. They are, as it has been best said, "A Perfect Organism".
I kinda agree with you... I mean they are really fascinating for the reasons you evoked, and their "simpler" behavior is way more ominous to me. But preds are fascinating in their own way too.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 23, 2018, 02:37:42 PM
[...]But preds are fascinating in their own way too.
I do like the Alien, but to me, the Predators are more fascinating. It's because of the tech, the individual personalities, and the intelligence. One could befriend one and get rides to other planets, whereas an Alien wouldn't even let you ride it. :D
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 23, 2018, 03:05:32 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 23, 2018, 02:37:42 PM
[...]But preds are fascinating in their own way too.
I do like the Alien, but to me, the Predators are more fascinating. It's because of the tech, the individual personalities, and the intelligence. One could befriend one and get rides to other planets, whereas an Alien wouldn't even let you ride it. :D
The predators definitely were the better choice in regards to creating worlds, mythos, technology, customs etc. The xenomorphs have the hive structure, but the humanoid qualities of the predators really lend themselves to creating interesting things beyond the creature itself. The reason I still fall on the Alien side of things I'd say, is mostly due to the fact that I prefer creatures that scare more than fascinate. I did once find the predator unnerving, but years of reading the novels and discovering all the interesting aspects of the Yautja have somewhat lessened their effectiveness as a fright for me. I look at the predator as a formidable humanoid adversary/ potential ally, whereas the xenomorphs are like a malevolent hive of spiders. One can't help but enjoy them both though.
Honestly i think the first xenomorph of the first movie is the more fascinating one, the hive aspect added later is less frightening and mysterious to me. The first creature was so ominous, unfathomable, the way it was portrayed was perfect.
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 23, 2018, 03:05:32 PM
I do like the Alien, but to me, the Predators are more fascinating. It's because of the tech, the individual personalities, and the intelligence. One could befriend one and get rides to other planets, whereas an Alien wouldn't even let you ride it. :D
It'd ride in YOU! :D
ALIEN all the way for me. I can appreciate your points Master Chief. I think the ALIEN is more intelligent than only acting instinctually . Though I wouldn't want them having "personalities". Why didn't the ALIEN chase after Ripley when she went to restart the cooling system? It didn't see her..OK...well why did it choose the lifeboat to hide in? It could have gone anywhere on the ship. Lucky Guess I don't think so. :)
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Feb 24, 2018, 04:57:05 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 23, 2018, 03:05:32 PM
I do like the Alien, but to me, the Predators are more fascinating. It's because of the tech, the individual personalities, and the intelligence. One could befriend one and get rides to other planets, whereas an Alien wouldn't even let you ride it. :D
It'd ride in YOU! :D
ALIEN all the way for me. I can appreciate your points Master Chief. I think the ALIEN is more intelligent than only acting instinctually . Though I wouldn't want them having "personalities". Why didn't the ALIEN chase after Ripley when she went to restart the cooling system? It didn't see her..OK...well why did it choose the lifeboat to hide in? It could have gone anywhere on the ship. Lucky Guess I don't think so. :)
Well said. And lest we forget, that in all of the venting and sheer space of the nostromo, that alien still managed to know someone was alone, and where they were. It managed to hunt down, outmaneuver and ambush Dallas without ever being seen or heard. Goodness sakes, it disappeared off the tracker. Probably because it stopped to analyze the situation and change tactics. As did the xenomorphs in Aliens. They knew right where the marines were, and systematically searched for a way in. I have a feeling they are far more intelligent and capable than folks give them credit for. They may not have language, names, or culture, but there is a silent intelligence there. You just don't know it until you're the victim of it.
I choose Alien simply because they are terrifying. It's the only creature from any films, comics, sci Fi novels that still scare me as an adult. They scared me then and still do now. Also they have a certain mystery behind them that we still have never seen yet. Their psychology is a mystery and what we don't know makes them my personal favorite. :D
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Feb 24, 2018, 04:57:05 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 23, 2018, 03:05:32 PM
I do like the Alien, but to me, the Predators are more fascinating. It's because of the tech, the individual personalities, and the intelligence. One could befriend one and get rides to other planets, whereas an Alien wouldn't even let you ride it. :D
It'd ride in YOU! :D
ALIEN all the way for me. I can appreciate your points Master Chief. I think the ALIEN is more intelligent than only acting instinctually . Though I wouldn't want them having "personalities". Why didn't the ALIEN chase after Ripley when she went to restart the cooling system? It didn't see her..OK...well why did it choose the lifeboat to hide in? It could have gone anywhere on the ship. Lucky Guess I don't think so. :)
haha that's an easy one. It's because the Alien was Kane reincarnate. ;) Honestly, I'm going to go with luck. I believe there was plenty of time for it to explore the ship as it looked for a nice cozy spot (away from all of the noise the humans were making) to die in.
Don't get me wrong,
Darwinsgirl and
Huggs, I know the Alien is problem solving smart, they're just nowhere near the Predators intelligence, which is awe inspiring (I know they often make dumb decisions, but overall as a species, they're highly intelligent).
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 26, 2018, 08:01:07 PM
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Feb 24, 2018, 04:57:05 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 23, 2018, 03:05:32 PM
I do like the Alien, but to me, the Predators are more fascinating. It's because of the tech, the individual personalities, and the intelligence. One could befriend one and get rides to other planets, whereas an Alien wouldn't even let you ride it. :D
It'd ride in YOU! :D
ALIEN all the way for me. I can appreciate your points Master Chief. I think the ALIEN is more intelligent than only acting instinctually . Though I wouldn't want them having "personalities". Why didn't the ALIEN chase after Ripley when she went to restart the cooling system? It didn't see her..OK...well why did it choose the lifeboat to hide in? It could have gone anywhere on the ship. Lucky Guess I don't think so. :)
haha that's an easy one. It's because the Alien was Kane reincarnate. ;) Honestly, I'm going to go with luck. I believe there was plenty of time for it to explore the ship as it looked for a nice cozy spot (away from all of the noise the humans were making) to die in.
Don't get me wrong, Darwinsgirl and Huggs, I know the Alien is problem solving smart, they're just nowhere near the Predators intelligence, which is awe inspiring (I know they often make dumb decisions, but overall as a species, they're highly intelligent).
Point taken Chief. Perhaps it just comes down to something more akin to an animalistic intelligence vs a humanoid intelligence. The Alien being more like a shark detecting a drop of blood in such a large area of water, and relentlessly tracking and attacking the target. Whereas the predators are more capable of higher thought, and can create/use technology to their benefit. Both are effective in their own way, and for their particular purposes.
Quote from: Master Chief on Feb 26, 2018, 08:01:07 PM
haha that's an easy one. It's because the Alien was Kane reincarnate. ;) Honestly, I'm going to go with luck. I believe there was plenty of time for it to explore the ship as it looked for a nice cozy spot (away from all of the noise the humans were making) to die in.
Don't get me wrong, Darwinsgirl and Huggs, I know the Alien is problem solving smart, they're just nowhere near the Predators intelligence, which is awe inspiring (I know they often make dumb decisions, but overall as a species, they're highly intelligent).
Kane's reincarnate....your so clever MC ;) But "luck" in getting into the shuttle..with only 5 minutes to self-destruct. Seems pretty thin.
And the ALIEN was looking for the crew for potential hosts and for survival..eliminate a threat. Not for a place to die but to survive. :)
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 27, 2018, 06:01:50 AM
Point taken Chief. Perhaps it just comes down to something more akin to an animalistic intelligence vs a humanoid intelligence. The Alien being more like a shark detecting a drop of blood in such a large area of water, and relentlessly tracking and attacking the target. Whereas the predators are more capable of higher thought, and can create/use technology to their benefit. Both are effective in their own way, and for their particular purposes.
Well put. 8) The Alien possess extraordinary senses that make it the ultimate hunter/prey (depending on which side of the fence one is on) and the Predator uses its brain to try and kill it.
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Feb 28, 2018, 09:41:10 PM
Kane's reincarnate....your so clever MC ;) But "luck" in getting into the shuttle..with only 5 minutes to self-destruct. Seems pretty thin.
And the ALIEN was looking for the crew for potential hosts and for survival..eliminate a threat. Not for a place to die but to survive. :)
haha I meant it had plenty of time to search the ship before chaos broke loose, and because of it's location, the evacuation shuttle was a perfect spot...to hide in, not die in. ;) I just find it hard to believe that the Alien understood the countdown sequence and Ripley's plan to destroy the ship. I also can't believe Ripley just left Jonesy to die when the Alien was hanging out in the corridor.
Alien are for me
I absolutely LOVE the design, and the way they just move and act... it's truly "Alien" unlike the Predators which still feel somewhat human.
My vote definitely goes to the predator. To me the aliens serve as a good monster, but they're just slavering beasts - the predators have personalities, a culture and homeworld, choices to make, a code of honor. Not to mention I like getting to see different designs, both physically and in regards to their armor, equipment, etc. We get enough information about them to make them compelling while also being free to fill in the blanks with what we'd find interesting.
Predator.
Why ?
Has a sense of humour.
As in Predator 2," xxxx happens" ;D
Alien, just a magnificent beautiful beast in a terrific film series.
Hands down Aliens. Why? Well really its the mystery around them. Predators are absolutely bad ass in their own way but are more action villainy then anything to me. The Alien though...theres an entire mystery around them. Bio-mechanical, soulless, almost mythical. The design is purely beautiful to me and being a fan of HR Giger, it's their entire universe that sucks me in.
The Predator I am a fan of. Always have been. But I never had an interest in them more than the movies. The Alien though has always pulled me in. Everything from the derelict ship, the space jockey, the whole stage of gestation, chestburster, from drone to queen and anything in between. Are they engineered? Are they natural? Or a bit of both? I know everyone has their ideas of that (especially with the new movies answering some of the big questions) but hands down the whole universe of Alien is simply the reason why.
Aliens by far, i loved them as a kid and still do today :)
For me it's the Alien and it's not even close. This is a creature that can kill in many different ways and it somewhat toys with its victims. You don't know if your going to be head-bitten, dragged away to be coccooned or facehugged for an actual host to another Alien. They adapt extremely well to their environment and take on the characteristics of their host. As someone said in an earlier post this is the type creature that you can see existing elsewhere in the universe. But I do love the predators also. Just more of a fan of the Alien because of the pure scare and horror of them. In my opinion the greatest movie monster in history.
The Alien
I admire it's purity
The Alien
It's more mysterious. Intelligent Animal or savage "human"? The Predator is just a savage "human".
It also has the cooler looks. Big "cheetah" or " big "ape"? I prefer the "big cheetah".
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 26, 2007, 11:37:05 PM
Predators for me simply because:
I grew up looking up to these guys as heroes.
These guys are physically strong and fast.
Technologically advanced.
-Rakai'Thwei
Thy're my heroes too, i was a fan before I even saw the design at all I loved it from a writeup at the end of fangoria magazine maybe may/june ussue 87 said something like we have news of new film with arnold shwarzenegegr in a film from a story called hunter. aboiut a bunch of soldiers stalked by an extertesstrial hunter. it was love at first read.
Back to the vot, I didnt vote for either beacause I love them bothy as different movie characters that are freaking awesome !! I love em bot th but I have different love for Predators, scary or not id sooner clash with a predator than an Alien ANY DAY! omg fkn death that lasts a few seconds of agony vs how long does it take for you do die from a chestburster??? haha def no thinking about that one lol!
PS you scould put a third option of both??? Id have voted that!
Alien
I always liked the weirdness of it. They are in a way more complex and distinctly dangerous than the Predator is but I like them both, even despite the past several entries into both franchises being disappointing.
Quote from: Shaun on May 27, 2018, 11:44:39 PM
The Alien
I admire it's purity
I applaud the simplistic explanation.
My vote for Predator.
They are cool professional hunters. They do not just kill their prey like regular hunters. They have hundreds of interesting ways to kill their prey. I read in novels and saw many types of weapons in comics. It's amazing! For them, hunting is an art, it is their craft. I also like their looks and design of their
outfits. Especially the fishnet. This is just a brilliant design element. Praise to the predators designers.
Alien. Because if Predator reflects some aspects of human culture (obviusly, hunting) then Alien doesn't have any type of human-likish elements in it's behaviour and that is true "Alien" for me.
I preffer The Alien because the movies at leat on the first years of the franchise life, were more ambitious, on the other side Predators flick since the first one always tried to be just "simple" B-movies with higher budget.
WE HAVE A WINNER!!! ;D
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The new predator movie just resulted in a member surge.
The next alien movie will put alien on top again in votes.
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I don't think in all those years I ever saw Predators get ahead of Aliens on this poll before.
It didn't. It's because a new predator movie was released and new folks chimed in.
Well I'll enjoy it for as long as it lasts then! ;D
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Alien for myself.
Predator a little too reliant on technology (and i still have major hang ups with fact they've been staging Xeno hunts for hundreds of years, have access to Xeno blood resistant materials, yet still don't fashion things like wrist blades out of said materials..).
For all the talk of code of honour. ..even with out the high tech gear, they are bigger, faster, stronger than humans, yet kill from a distance whilst cloaked far too often.
I'm drawn to the Alien because as a species it's engineered to survive in pretty much any environment it finds itself in.
Very brief maturity cycle...from chest burster to fully grown within matter of hours, it's reproductive cycle isn't restricted to trying to find a suitable mate and it takes characteristics from a host.
It's not driven by any other motive than to survive and reproduce.
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For all the talk of code of honour. ..even with out the high tech gear, they are bigger, faster, stronger than humans, yet kill from a distance whilst cloaked far too often.
You have to separate your own personal feelings towards honor and hunting I think.
Deer hunters see themselves as honorable. They are camouflaged, perched up in a tree, with a high-powered, scoped rifle. These "honorable hunters" do not shoot the young or pregnant and do respect the hunting rules of the reserve they're in, as well as respect their kills. They take trophies. Etc.
I'm not personally defending the logic of hunting honorably, but knowing this is a common practice and the way hunters see themselves, I have no problem with it, nor see a suspension of disbelief required to accept Predators viewing themselves as honorable.
WHAT!? Predators at the top? THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!
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Predators have more personality, but the Aliens are far scarier. I'm not sure if I can choose one or the other
How come we don't have Marines in this poll?!
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Because Marines are cannon fodder with only one purpose.
Trophies and hosts.
Indeed.
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Quote from: Master Chief on May 28, 2019, 09:13:11 PM
Because Marines are cannon fodder with only one purpose.
Correct.
As they should be. Cannon fodder. The best type of fodder.
The predators are more interesting but the world of the Alien is much more interesting.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 30, 2019, 08:56:52 PM
The predators are more interesting...
Interesting, but not as scary.
You could make the Predators scary fairly easily. It's just a tone change.
See Psykore and his sp campaign FEAR 3 where the Pred was his big bad.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 01, 2019, 04:36:12 AM
You could make the Predators scary fairly easily. It's just a tone change.
See Psykore and his sp campaign FEAR 3 where the Pred was his big bad.
Billie's, Mac's and Dillon's deaths in Predator, and the train scene in Predator 2 did a good job of showing how scary a Predator can be.
>you will never get a slasher/horror Predator movie that plays up the brute terror of being hunted
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Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 01, 2019, 04:36:12 AM
You could make the Predators scary fairly easily. It's just a tone change.
See Psykore and his sp campaign FEAR 3 where the Pred was his big bad.
Billie's, Mac's and Dillon's deaths in Predator, and the train scene in Predator 2 did a good job of showing how scary a Predator can be.
Indeed!
Most things are scary off screen. I meant their actual appearance.
I love both, but my favorite are the Predators. The original Predator is what I watched first, often with my father. Alien came a little later.
I remember being very upset back in 2004 (I was 14 then) when Grid killed both Chopper and Celtic in a row :P
I was like "Hell yeah, 3 Predators! There's going to be a lot of cool fights against the Aliens and... wait a minute... what?!"
Most of the audience's reaction to AVP. "What?"
I've grown to enjoy AVP as a piece of trashy entertainment, but seeing it in the cinema for the first time back when it came out, it was the single biggest movie disappointment of my entire life.
Prometheus is a fairly close second.
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I've grown to enjoy AVP as a piece of trashy entertainment, but seeing it in the cinema for the first time back when it came out, it was the single biggest movie disappointment of my entire life.
Prometheus is a fairly close second.
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Yeah, I'd agree in principle.
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Same. I watched it the other night and found I wasn't being critical at all.
I really liked the whaling station massacre. Especially the part when Celtic's active camo malfunctioned and how pissed he got.
Grid should've had a better death.
Yep, agreed. There was more they could've done with Grid, easily.
I believe the role is extended in the novelisation.
IIRC the novel treated him more like an Alpha of the pack.
Was Grid killed by the explosion?
In the book? If I remember rightly it follows the script and he's crawling up the tunnel along with the Queen and some Aliens, the explosion goes off and takes them all out. Scar finds Grid's body on the surface (it's who he gets the finger to blood Lex from).
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 08, 2019, 05:40:45 PM
In the book? If I remember rightly it follows the script and he's crawling up the tunnel along with the Queen and some Aliens, the explosion goes off and takes them all out. Scar finds Grid's body on the surface (it's who he gets the finger to blood Lex from).
Thanks. They should've hitched a ride on the Queen. She's a bad mom.
Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 08, 2019, 05:51:24 PM
They should've hitched a ride on the Queen.
Spoiler
Like the Alien or Facehugger that put the egg on the Sulaco? ;D
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They should've hitched a ride on the Queen.
Spoiler
Like the Alien or Facehugger that put the egg on the Sulaco? ;D
haha exactly!
Just so, but perhaps slightly more unbelievable as it's an adult Alien.
I dunno, the AvP queen was pretty hueg
Easily. There was what, 4 left? Momma could've easily carried them up the tunnel.
Fair enough, hadn't considered that.
Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 09, 2019, 02:13:20 AMEasily. There was what, 4 left? Momma could've easily carried them up the tunnel.
Lol in the novel there are hundreds of them at the end, despite there never being anything like enough hosts to spawn so many.
What about
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egg-barfing ?
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Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 09, 2019, 02:13:20 AMEasily. There was what, 4 left? Momma could've easily carried them up the tunnel.
Lol in the novel there are hundreds of them at the end, despite there never being anything like enough hosts to spawn so many.
Do they ride up the Queen in that? I think they do in one of the scripts.
Some of them, Grid included, go up with her, but I'm not sure they actually ride her (phrasing).
PREDATORS.
Cos they're not simply animals or mindless beasts. The have a culture, history and code of honour and a hobby (hunting).
I also prefer the Predator franchise.
Quote from: nicky on May 28, 2020, 01:23:09 AM
Cos they're not simply animals or mindless beasts.
>implying
The Aliens are to me the perfect monster design both visually and thematically!
It has everything that induces fear and disgust as well as arousal and fascination in humans which is unique!
It also pioneered many sci-fi and horror tropes that became so deeply rooted into fiction today that many forget where it all started...
Hmm I don't know which to pick Aliens are great but a bit one dimensional, just a bug hunt, only adding in marines and "the company" make an interesting story. Predators are great but they only do one thing the "honourable hunt".
I went for Aliens in the end as the universe has more possibilities. :) (I love Predators too though)
love xenos, but they still freak me out. I've forced myself to get through a lot of thier stuff and the more I read the more I fear them. Illogical since they are fictional.
Predators are just anti heroes to me, same way people think of like deathstroke, red hood, or ghost rider. Love em to bits. Predator all the way!
For everyone who picked Predator....
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For everyone who picked Predator....
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I don't think so 😉😂
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For everyone who picked Predator....
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;D
I don't think so 😉😂
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Well, one good thing I can say about The Predator:
Spoiler
It reminded people how much they love Predator
At least we don't have ressurection bogging us down 🤭
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At least we don't have ressurection bogging us down 🤭
No, but you have The Predator. That is far much worse than Resurrection 😂
Alien for the win
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At least we don't have ressurection bogging us down 🤭
No, but you have The Predator. That is far much worse than Resurrection 😂 Alien for the win
You go on and keep thinking that buddy...
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At least we don't have ressurection bogging us down 🤭
No, but you have The Predator. That is far much worse than Resurrection 😂 Alien for the win
You go on and keep thinking that buddy...
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At least we don't have ressurection bogging us down 🤭
No, but you have The Predator. That is far much worse than Resurrection 😂 Alien for the win
You go on and keep thinking that buddy...
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Yeah, but Rory isn't licking the face of a cloned, raised-from-the-dead Dutch and treating him like Daddy... is he? Unlike poor Ripley, you'll never read anything from The Predator in Dutch's bio (thank goodness.)
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At least we don't have ressurection bogging us down 🤭
No, but you have The Predator. That is far much worse than Resurrection 😂 Alien for the win
You go on and keep thinking that buddy...
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Yeah, but Rory isn't licking the face of a cloned, raised-from-the-dead Dutch and treating him like Daddy... is he? Unlike poor Ripley, you'll never read anything from The Predator in Dutch's bio (thank goodness.)
I admit that the Newborn licking Ripley's face is very awkward and ugly to watch 😂 but come on... Resurrection is better than The Predator 😉
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No, but you have The Predator. That is far much worse than Resurrection %uD83D%uDE02 Alien for the win
You go on and keep thinking that buddy...
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Yeah, but Rory isn't licking the face of a cloned, raised-from-the-dead Dutch and treating him like Daddy... is he? Unlike poor Ripley, you'll never read anything from The Predator in Dutch's bio (thank goodness.)
I admit that the Newborn licking Ripley's face is very awkward and ugly to watch %uD83D%uDE02 but come on... Resurrection is better than The Predator %uD83D%uDE09
Not to me. If there is anything I can award The Predator, it just doesn't take itself seriously, at all. It is so forgettable, and with a few beers I can laugh at some of the mildly entertaining loonies dumb jokes and watch the stupid popcorn flick action. But how Alien Resurrection takes much of itself seriously within itself and what it does to Ripley, it is just so harder for me to watch. The bigger you treat yourself, the harder you fall, and AR falls hard (to me).
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At least we don't have ressurection bogging us down %uD83E%uDD2D
No, but you have The Predator. That is far much worse than Resurrection %uD83D%uDE02 Alien for the win
You go on and keep thinking that buddy...
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Yeah, but Rory isn't licking the face of a cloned, raised-from-the-dead Dutch and treating him like Daddy... is he? Unlike poor Ripley, you'll never read anything from The Predator in Dutch's bio (thank goodness.)
I admit that the Newborn licking Ripley's face is very awkward and ugly to watch %uD83D%uDE02 but come on... Resurrection is better than The Predator %uD83D%uDE09
Not to me. If there is anything I can award The Predator, it just doesn't take itself seriously, at all. It is so forgettable, and with a few beers I can laugh at some of the mildly entertaining loonies dumb jokes and watch the stupid popcorn flick action. But how Alien Resurrection takes much of itself seriously within itself and what it does to Ripley, it is just so harder for me to watch. The bigger you treat yourself, the harder you fall, and AR falls hard (to me).
Well, in that way I feel the same with The Predator. But the thing that most bothers me about The Predator is the fact that is doesn't takes itself seriously. With Alien Resurrection I admit that is a very bad movie and possible the worst of the Alien franchise, but it was my first Alien movie that I saw when I was a kid and it was my first entry to the series along the Alien 3 game for Genesis so I have a special love for it 😅
Lol, thing about the Predator is that in a way, without it, I don't think Arnold would have come back for Dutch or we would have hunting grounds as lore, both of which are some of my favorite additions ever ngl.
Alien Res killed the Alien series. It and everything after it has been flaming hot dookie. People have different opinions about it, but their opinions are wrong. >:(
The Predator bothered me less because I don't give a f**k about the predators.
They are only really interesting when the Alien is in their media.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 24, 2020, 01:33:42 AM
Alien Res killed the Alien series. It and everything after it has been flaming hot dookie. People have different opinions about it, but their opinions are wrong. >:(
The Predator bothered me less because I don't give a f**k about the predators.
They are only really interesting when the Alien is in their media.
Totally agree with you, the only thing is that I really like Covenant. But yes, Predator is what it is thanks to Alien.
There are aspects of Covenant that makes it better than the rest of the post trilogy stuff, but it also happens to be a direct sequel to Prometheus, and is thus guilty by association.
Quote from: aliens13 on Jul 24, 2020, 01:42:05 AM
But yes, Predator is what it is thanks to Alien.
"I didn't steal Alien from anybody. I stole it from everybody!" - Dan O'Bannon
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There are aspects of Covenant that makes it better than the rest of the post trilogy stuff, but it also happens to be a direct sequel to Prometheus, and is thus guilty by association.
Sadly yes, it's connected to Prometheus which I consider the worst of the saga along with Resurrection. But Covenant, I really liked and I could say that is the better Alien film since Alien 3.
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But yes, Predator is what it is thanks to Alien.
"I didn't steal Alien from anybody. I stole it from everybody!" - Dan O'Bannon
😂 I like Predator, but Alien is better in every way. I have no intention of make you angry or anything, but for me Alien is much more superior to Predator.
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😂 I like Predator, but Alien is better in every way. I have no intention of make you angry or anything, but for me Alien is much more superior to Predator.
Why would that make me angry? This thread is one side or the another. You have to fall somewhere brother, even though I do adore them both.
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😂 I like Predator, but Alien is better in every way. I have no intention of make you angry or anything, but for me Alien is much more superior to Predator.
Why would that make me angry? This thread is one side or the another. You have to fall somewhere brother, even though I do adore them both.
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I don't mind Predator really, I just think the shared universe is better.
Two of my favorite medias came from the crossover. Original AvP comic and AvP2 game.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 24, 2020, 01:33:42 AM
Alien Res killed the Alien series. It and everything after it has been flaming hot dookie. People have different opinions about it, but their opinions are wrong. >:(
The Predator bothered me less because I don't give a f**k about the predators.
They are only really interesting when the Alien is in their media.
Truth.
Look, this isn't up for discussion but shove the predator aside. Dutch could beat a queen to death with one grenade, a knife, and some mud.
Remember what the yautja think of Dutch? He's the most worthy prey PERIOD.
Your colonial marines are no match for Alan shaefer 😤
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Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 24, 2020, 01:33:42 AM
Alien Res killed the Alien series. It and everything after it has been flaming hot dookie. People have different opinions about it, but their opinions are wrong. >:(
The Predator bothered me less because I don't give a f**k about the predators.
They are only really interesting when the Alien is in their media.
Truth.
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Quote from: Tichinde on Jul 24, 2020, 03:47:33 AM
Look, this isn't up for discussion but shove the predator aside. Dutch could beat a queen to death with one grenade, a knife, and some mud.
Remember what the yautja think of Dutch? He's the most worthy prey PERIOD.
Your colonial marines are no match for Alan shaefer 😤
Um. so ?
Also, what?
I haven't felt this kind of fanboy energy in a long time.
Not long enough, unfortunately.
My favorite character can beat your favorite character in a fight!
Back when I first started getting really into the franchise I would've been hard picked to choose between the two, but the more I delve into it the more I realise I much prefer Alien. All my favourites - films, books, games - are Alien titles and in general a mediocre Alien story holds my attention far more than a mediocre Predator one.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2020, 03:48:44 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2020, 03:41:28 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 24, 2020, 01:33:42 AM
Alien Res killed the Alien series. It and everything after it has been flaming hot dookie. People have different opinions about it, but their opinions are wrong. >:(
The Predator bothered me less because I don't give a f**k about the predators.
They are only really interesting when the Alien is in their media.
Truth.
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This poll is a lie 😂🤣 Predator can't beat Alien in any way.
Quote from: aliens13 on Jul 29, 2020, 01:25:56 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2020, 03:48:44 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2020, 03:41:28 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 24, 2020, 01:33:42 AM
Alien Res killed the Alien series. It and everything after it has been flaming hot dookie. People have different opinions about it, but their opinions are wrong. >:(
The Predator bothered me less because I don't give a f**k about the predators.
They are only really interesting when the Alien is in their media.
Truth.
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This poll is a lie 😂🤣 Predator can't beat Alien in any way.
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Quote from: Tichinde on Jul 29, 2020, 01:38:06 AM
Quote from: aliens13 on Jul 29, 2020, 01:25:56 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2020, 03:48:44 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2020, 03:41:28 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 24, 2020, 01:33:42 AM
Alien Res killed the Alien series. It and everything after it has been flaming hot dookie. People have different opinions about it, but their opinions are wrong. >:(
The Predator bothered me less because I don't give a f**k about the predators.
They are only really interesting when the Alien is in their media.
Truth.
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(https://media1.tenor.com/images/769becdb5ebaee4c4e56670600e03e6b/tenor.gif?itemid=4446569)
;D
This poll is a lie 😂🤣 Predator can't beat Alien in any way.
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It's got to be the predators for me, when i saw the original in 1987 i thought what an amazing concept, a species of intergalactic hunters with some amazing technology and they live by a code similar to the Samurai, honorable combat/suicide
I liked the original Alien film 1979, it was tense, they don't make films like that anymore
In the movies they do seem to follow some sort of "code", however to think it's an honorable one is another matter... City Hunter was about to mercilessly blow up Los Angeles in P2, so their sense of honor can vary a lot it seems :laugh:
I'd rather be chased by a Predator than the Alien because the Predator might not kill me if I crawl in a ball and cry.
Quote from: Phobos on Dec 01, 2020, 08:11:57 PM
I'd rather be chased by a Predator than the Alien because the Predator might not kill me if I crawl in a ball and cry.
The Alien itself might not either, but you'll be a mommy very soon after.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 01, 2020, 05:39:56 PM
In the movies they do seem to follow some sort of "code", however to think it's an honorable one is another matter... City Hunter was about to mercilessly blow up Los Angeles in P2, so their sense of honor can vary a lot it seems :laugh:
Well I guess Predator tech can cost considerably many more lives in the hands of those despicable oomans so it's probably how they justify it. Justification just like if a Predator is being mauled by a pregnant bear, all bets are off at that point.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 01, 2020, 09:41:35 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 01, 2020, 05:39:56 PM
In the movies they do seem to follow some sort of "code", however to think it's an honorable one is another matter... City Hunter was about to mercilessly blow up Los Angeles in P2, so their sense of honor can vary a lot it seems :laugh:
Well I guess Predator tech can cost considerably many more lives in the hands of those despicable oomans so it's probably how they justify it. Justification just like if a Predator is being mauled by a pregnant bear, all bets are off at that point.
Good point. Harrigan did torch his ass pretty bad at that point.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 01, 2020, 09:41:35 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 01, 2020, 05:39:56 PM
In the movies they do seem to follow some sort of "code", however to think it's an honorable one is another matter... City Hunter was about to mercilessly blow up Los Angeles in P2, so their sense of honor can vary a lot it seems :laugh:
Well I guess Predator tech can cost considerably many more lives in the hands of those despicable oomans so it's probably how they justify it. Justification just like if a Predator is being mauled by a pregnant bear, all bets are off at that point.
We all know it's just so we don't get them and level the playing field with them. :P
Hmm...
I think the Alien is more believable, if you know what I mean. And that's what makes me like it more.
For me, biomechnical penis-headed monster who uses people as hosts is as beliviable as space hunter with cloaking technology and freaking shoulder cannon
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Quote from: Phobos on Dec 17, 2020, 08:50:49 PM
I think the Alien is more believable, if you know what I mean. And that's what makes me like it more.
Hmm. Just looking at the first films Alien to Predator. Space Jockeys. Xenomorphs. Those life cycles. I'll give you that Alien is treated in a much more serious and realistic tone than Predator, but I wouldn't personally find it more believable when it comes down the creatures etc. But that's just me. :)
They both require a fair bit of suspension of disbelief to begin with, and both get much wackier the longer the series go on.
I prefer ALIEN. But the first PREDATOR movie is, probably, the most entertaining thing of all time
So it's Predator For me. Why you ask? Because they are for one a nostalgic powerhouse for me and two because it's usually a single predator taking down many aliens and not the other way around, I have only seen a single Xenomorph kill more than one Yautja ONE time ever and that was Grid in AVP..which makes Predators in turn the more deadly and cool of the two.
Read Thicker Than Blood
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 18, 2021, 06:03:31 AM
Read Thicker Than Blood
Ok so two times my mistake, those were the worst Predators in the history of their kind! three of them could not take down one Alien when they were fully armed. LOL.
When Predators kill a lot they're badass, when Aliens do it it's clearly because the Predators are incompetent.
Sure, makes perfect sense.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 18, 2021, 08:42:58 AM
When Predators kill a lot they're badass, when Aliens do it it's clearly because the Predators are incompetent.
Sure, makes perfect sense.
Hahaha, truly I think when an alien kills multiple predators it's just as badass (Grid is my favorite Alien) I just also wanted to point out those predators still kind of sucked when you compare them to let's say Wolf predator.
Yeah but the AvP-R Aliens were completely nerfed. Like, Wolf held a pair aloft by the throat and they were just flailed about, squealing like kittens.
A tail through his face was in order.
But no. Apparently, Wolf is a Badass. lol.
-Windebieste.
God, don't get me started on the "WoLf Is SuCh A bAdAsS!!1!" people.
Even discounting the Aliens that completely forget they have claws and tails with which they could attack him while he stands there holding them and striking a silly pose, he has literally
one job in the movie - to contain the outbreak - but instead of doing that job he spends the whole film either causing widespread collateral damage that just escalates the situation or he's simply fannying about in the woods skinning cops for no constructive reason while the Aliens multiply and take over the town.
Add to which when he finally comes face-to-face with the Predalien, not only does he
not just blast it in the face as his mission would dictate, he disarms himself so he can try and punch it to death and
then he fails to f**king kill it.
He f**ks up so completely
we have to nuke the town to sort it out.
Quote from: windebieste on Feb 18, 2021, 10:46:10 AMBut no. Apparently, Wolf is a Badass. lol.
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Quote from: SiL on Feb 18, 2021, 08:42:58 AM
When Predators kill a lot they're badass, when Aliens do it it's clearly because the Predators are incompetent.
Sure, makes perfect sense.
Hahaha, truly I think when an alien kills multiple predators it's just as badass (Grid is my favorite Alien) I just also wanted to point out those predators still kind of sucked when you compare them to let's say Wolf predator.
The Requiem aliens sucked too. That's why Wolf is so Badass.
Quote from: windebieste on Feb 18, 2021, 10:46:10 AM
Yeah but the AvP-R Aliens were completely nerfed. Like, Wolf held a pair aloft by the throat and they were just flailed about, squealing like kittens.
A tail through his face was in order.
But no. Apparently, Wolf is a Badass. lol.
-Windebieste.
I can't blame these people. When movie is so ... uneven they look for something to say: "At least THAT was awesome". I for example, like Upgrade Predator
Quote from: SiL on Feb 18, 2021, 08:42:58 AM
When Predators kill a lot they're badass, when Aliens do it it's clearly because the Predators are incompetent.
Sure, makes perfect sense.
Yes, it does make perfect sense at face value, but not all the time. It's situational. In the context of a universe that contains the film Aliens and Colonial Marines that can plow through more than a handful of Xenomorphs, and the Predators are much
more than Colonial Marines in every way, from skill to biology to technology, yes, one Alien should not be able to best three Predators... unless... the Predators are unarmed, or the weapons they choose to use are inferior to amp the challenge, or the Alien bests them one by one by using shadows and the element of surprise.... So again, it's situational.
We don't actually see a massive number of confirmed Alien deaths in any Alien franchise film, Aliens included and then judging by the punishment the one in Alien³ and the one in Alien Covenant takes from being exposed to extreme heat and surviving, to surviving weaponry from the twenty third century and even the one in Alien being smart enough to take out the lights that required an understanding of electricity's relationship with the former it's fair to say people still underestimate them.
I think it's fair to say people get the impression a lot more of them die than actually the case, and just like the expanded universe often depicts (in the past anyway) the over the top bravado of the marines then treats it as gospel truth, it often does similar things with Alien and Predator conventions including them but only understanding them at a surface level.
Another example of this being the way the expanded universe often depicts Weyland-Yutani Corporation, as not simply one of a number of apathetic powerful institutions exploiting it's employees for profit, but yes actually the only one not only doing that for no discernible benefit but also physically owning everything in sight such as in AVP 2010.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 18, 2021, 02:45:54 PM
We don't actually see a massive number of confirmed Alien deaths in any Alien franchise film, Aliens included and then judging by the punishment the one in Alien³ and the one in Alien Covenant takes from being exposed to extreme heat and surviving, to surviving weaponry from the twenty third century and even the one in Alien being smart enough to take out the lights that required an understanding of electricity's relationship with the former it's fair to say people still underestimate them.
I think it's fair to say people get the impression a lot more of them die than actually the case, and just like the expanded universe often depicts (in the past anyway) the over the top bravado of the marines then treats it as gospel truth, it often does similar things with Alien and Predator conventions including them but only understanding them at a surface level.
Another example of this being the way the expanded universe often depicts Weyland-Yutani Corporation, as not simply one of a number of apathetic powerful institutions exploiting it's employees for profit, but yes actually the only one not only doing that for no discernible benefit but also physically owning everything in sight such as in AVP 2010.
We do see enough Xenomorphs killed in Aliens though, and Predators are far greater warriors in every way than the Colonial Marines.
All things being equal it's the technology and intelligence that makes the stronger foe. You take humans and strip them of their weapons and what chance does he or she have against the lion or the gorilla? It's their intelligence and their ability to craft tools that *makes them the greater foe. And while the Xenomorph has intelligence, it's not to a degree where it can process science, religion and culture. And that is why the Xenomorph will always be the weaker foe, but still can better its opponents with tactics and the element of surprise. In situational confrontations. That's how it's so deadly - its instinct! It knows better! It knows better not attack the entire crew of the Nostromo together but wait until they break apart, and they are unarmed blue collar workers! A fully armed Predator would have no qualms doing so, but would only question where is the sport in that.
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QuoteAnd though the Xenomorph's intelligent, it's not to the degree it can process science, religion and culture.
You do not know this for a fact. Advent does imply otherwise. As does Ridley Scott's various commentaries.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 18, 2021, 03:22:30 PM
QuoteAnd though the Xenomorph's intelligent, it's not to the degree it can process science, religion and culture.
You do not know this for a fact. Advent does imply otherwise. As does Ridley Scott's various commentaries.
Is that your headcanon then? Science, religion culture all exist within the Xenomorphs? Ability to reason, and introspection? Mathematical and Scientific development, and we'll see their technology one day? (I'm not teasing you here - just genuinely inquiring about your perspective.)
It was actually one of O'Bannon's earliest intents. The Alien was so violent because it was birthed outside its culture.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2021, 04:00:20 PM
It was actually one of O'Bannon's earliest intents. The Alien was so violent because it was birthed outside its culture.
Yes but, in context of this conversation, to what degree? We know ants have what we can interpret as culture and society, and divisions within, and communication and the ability to work together, but we will not be seeing ants develop new weaponry or vehicles of travel anytime soon. So while we can see a level of intelligence, it doesn't mean it's advanced.
Idk if having greater technology equates to greater intelligence necessarily. Some sea mammals like dolphins may actually have greater cognitive abilities than we do, but they don't create technology. You could argue that's because they're physically incapable due to anatomy, but even if they had hands, would they use them to build? They essentially live in an environment where they can fly and food just floats around in clouds.
Given how physiologically superior aliens are, would they ever have a need to create technology like we do? They can construct their own habitats with biologically-produced materials, survive in extremely hostile conditions, and their eggs seem to last a very long time.
I personally quite like the idea that aliens who are able to develop a hive over a longer period of time may form some sort of society, outgrowing the 'mindless aggression' stage and becoming something more complex. It's an interesting concept that I wish had been explored somewhere.
We see David's birth in the presence of Peter Weyland with him already being aware of everything, as we see with him playing piano immediately, anemic without the orchestra. We learn that the Alien's in fact a form of artificial intelligence born from the Pathogen, an artificial intelligence itself, shaped by man's perfect artificial intelligence.
The reason it's intelligence goes beyond that of the expected being that, it's not an animal or human in the sense we define them, it's the newest part of the lineage of man creating man over and over. Engineers humans, humans Engineers, in macro and micro.
David creates the Alien in his own image, it is the conclusion of his life perspective, so to him the perfect being's both sapient and sentient but with all but necessity itself taken away. For all our successes the biological lineage of creation itself's a failure, it's not just Alien to us, it is Alien to life itself.
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 04:22:08 PM
Idk if having greater technology equates to greater intelligence necessarily. Some sea mammals like dolphins may actually have greater cognitive abilities than we do, but they don't create technology. You could argue that's because they're physically incapable due to anatomy, but even if they had hands, would they use them to build? They essentially live in an environment where they can fly and food just floats around in clouds.
Given how physiologically superior aliens are, would they ever have a need to create technology like we do? They can construct their own habitats with biologically-produced materials, survive in extremely hostile conditions, and their eggs seem to last a very long time.
I personally quite like the idea that aliens who are able to develop a hive over a longer period of time may form some sort of society, outgrowing the 'mindless aggression' stage and becoming something more complex. It's an interesting concept that I wish had been explored somewhere.
What I find interesting is dolphins are one of the few creatures that have self-awareness. Chimpanzees too. You put a Gorilla in front of a mirror, they see another Gorilla. But you put a Chimpanzee in front of a mirror and put mud on their face, a chimp will see that mud through the mirror and use their reflection to wipe it off.
I'm not certain how physiologically superior Aliens are in some regards ala the perfect organism, when they require other lifeforms to reproduce, but their defense mechanisms and ability to survive the elements are most impressive and superior!
Ultimately, in regards to the need to create technology or not, I believe the answer is yes just in the context of Alien vs Predator superiority. Sure, Predators amp the difficulty level for themselves by using melee weapons instead of plasma casters etc. but the day their motivation changes from a challenging hunt to extermination, while there will be casualties depending on how surgically they want to do it, either way it's no longer a contest.
Funny coincidence: I was just re-reading second of Rage War books, Aliens Invasion and there was a character who theorized that Xenomorphs are smarter than most people give them credit and actually compared them to dolphins
Anyway, I like the idea of Aliens being able to comprehend science, religion or culture, potentialy having highly-organised society. Unfortunately, there's not much evidence of it in 6 Alien movies and 2 AvP ones, at least for me. Maybe they lack inteligence of a human or Predator but it doesn't neccesarily make them less of a threat in my eyes. Aliens as I see them and as they're portrayed in many stories are creatures that will always look for a weakness in its enemy's defense: using vents to navigate on board of Nostromo in Alien, crashing dropship, cutting off lights in Aliens, kinda iffy but I still think Runner was able to f**k with Golic's mind to get him to release it (if you're going by Theatrical cut it doesn't even get captured), using its own blood to escape holding cell, using liguid nitrogen against humans, creating an underwater trap to weaken humans and make them lower their guard in Resurrection, despite all their technological wonders we see in flashback sequence in AvP movie that Predators can't always contain them too, AvPR proofs it even further. There're also first AvP comic, AvP2, Mark Verheiden's Trilogy, Rogue, Phalanx etc.
Single Predator probaly would be able to kill dozen of Aliens without breaking a sweat - but as long, as there is one Alien, one facehugger, one egg - it will retreat, lick its wounds and patiently wait for an opportunity to strike back
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 18, 2021, 02:45:54 PM
I think it's fair to say people get the impression a lot more of them die than actually the case, and just like the expanded universe often depicts (in the past anyway) the over the top bravado of the marines then treats it as gospel truth, it often does similar things with Alien and Predator conventions including them but only understanding them at a surface level.
Agreed, It's kinda irritating how often writers miss the point of Aliens. Marines did kill bunch of Aliens, yes - but in doing so they lost half of they own men and were scared shitless. It's what I like about Aliens - you can kill an Alien, yes - but your chances to die are still high as f**k
Guessing you two are Predator fans lol
I'm not. I'm Alien fan through and through
I guarantee that's not the case. As it's pretty much a theme of the Alien films that one always survives to start it all again. That's not the case with the Predator films.
We don't know if they even have a civilization large enough to be capable of a policy of mass extermination.
To paraphrase my brother: "The Aliens are like sand in your hand, no matter how tightly you crush it in your grip, somewhere one will always end up slipping through your fingers."
You have a brother ?
I assumed Predfans because you both act like killing aliens isn't really a challenge for them. Which begs the question of why they bother hunting them or why it's such a significant part of their culture in many depictions.
I'd echo Trash Queen on the front of Predator civilisation too. We have no indication they have any kind of central government or ability to coordinate outside of the small groups we usually see them in. Also, we've seen that they're pretty prone to infighting between those groups, in both the movies and especially in the EU. Not sure that you can make the argument that they'd easily organise a wholesale extermination of the aliens since there's little indication they are numerous or unified enough to do so.
Yes, their technology gives them an edge but in the core theatrical releases of the movies Aliens aren't exactly shown to blindly rush into overwhelming opposition. They're ambush predators. And when they reach a planet with abundant host organisms, their numbers can grow stupidly fast.
Predators' advantage against aliens is their tech, but the same could be said for humans and it doesn't stop them sustaining terrible casualties every time they cross paths with the xenos. And humans are way more organised and numerous than Predators are ever shown to be.
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
I assumed Predfans because you both act like killing aliens isn't really a challenge for them. Which begs the question of why they bother hunting them or why it's such a significant part of their culture in many depictions.
Yeah, it's kinda a paradox, I guess, it's not so much a numbers thing as a range of consequences hunting Aliens can led to which makes them thrilling prey. It's like playing with fire - you can put water on it but if you're not careful enough it can burn down your house
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
I assumed Predfans because you both act like killing aliens isn't really a challenge for them. Which begs the question of why they bother hunting them or why it's such a significant part of their culture in many depictions.
I don't think being a fan of either matters if we try to look at it with an intellectual honesty as best as we can.
And of course killing Aliens is a challenge for Predators, much in due because Predators want it to be that way... much like some American hunters still today opt to hunt Bears with spears rather than guns (all much to my chagrin.) Generally speaking Predators are hunting the creatures, not at war with them. They seek the thrill of the hunt. Clearly we look at Predator space ships, their cloaking technology, plasma casters and their wrist equipped miniature atomic bombs and can assess if Predators were truly trying to kill versus hunt, they would have a much easier time of it, maybe even destroy a Xeno infested planet to boot!
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 18, 2021, 06:39:24 PM
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
I assumed Predfans because you both act like killing aliens isn't really a challenge for them. Which begs the question of why they bother hunting them or why it's such a significant part of their culture in many depictions.
Yeah, it's kinda a paradox, I guess, it's not so much a numbers thing as a range of consequences hunting Aliens can led to which makes them thrilling prey. It's like playing with fire - you can put water on it but if you're not careful enough it can burn down your house
That's a great assessment.
There's no indication Predators restrain their use of tech/weaponry for hunts. In some of the comics they have 'rules' like that but it only really limits their use of, like, one weapon. Which isn't matched by the movie depictions at all.
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 06:57:25 PM
There's no indication Predators restrain their use of tech/weaponry for hunts. In some of the comics they have 'rules' like that but it only really limits their use of, like, one weapon. Which isn't matched by the movie depictions at all.
This exactly.
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
I'd echo Trash Queen on the front of Predator civilisation too. We have no indication they have any kind of central government or ability to coordinate outside of the small groups we usually see them in. Also, we've seen that they're pretty prone to infighting between those groups, in both the movies and especially in the EU. Not sure that you can make the argument that they'd easily organise a wholesale extermination of the aliens since there's little indication they are numerous or unified enough to do so.
Perhaps not a civilization in the sense of political government, but since they can travel through space (and according to AVP millennia before us) I'd say that they must have a civilization of some kind. I mean, to make space vehicles you need: knowledge, academics, resources, engineers, government bodies (scientific, military, economic), science breakthroughs, etc.
But yes, this is pure speculation and the movies don't give us any details about it. It's not like it's a mistake of course, since these are stories about space hunters. The rest is not relevant to the plot; just for nerds like us and even so we have the EU to fill the gap :laugh:
Yeah, it isn't shown. So it's equally possible they get their tech from an/other species, either through trade, theft, extortion or outright enslavement. In some ways that'd jive more with what we do see of their culture.
More accurate to say you do require that stuff initially.
I have no doubt the Predators had a civilization but to say the Predators have a civilization's unsubstantiated. Especially if they are ancient warring nomadic tribes.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 18, 2021, 07:17:11 PM
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
I'd echo Trash Queen on the front of Predator civilisation too. We have no indication they have any kind of central government or ability to coordinate outside of the small groups we usually see them in. Also, we've seen that they're pretty prone to infighting between those groups, in both the movies and especially in the EU. Not sure that you can make the argument that they'd easily organise a wholesale extermination of the aliens since there's little indication they are numerous or unified enough to do so.
Perhaps not a civilization in the sense of political government, but since they can travel through space (and according to AVP millennia before us) I'd say that they must have a civilization of some kind. I mean, to make space vehicles you need: knowledge, academics, resources, engineers, government bodies (scientific, military, economic), science breakthroughs, etc.
But yes, this is pure speculation and the movies don't give us any details about it. It's not like it's a mistake of course, since these are stories about space hunters. The rest is not relevant to the plot; just for nerds like us and even so we have the EU to fill the gap :laugh:
Guilty! :D
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 18, 2021, 07:04:04 PM
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 06:57:25 PM
There's no indication Predators restrain their use of tech/weaponry for hunts. In some of the comics they have 'rules' like that but it only really limits their use of, like, one weapon. Which isn't matched by the movie depictions at all.
This exactly.
We've learned through the Predator movies that they're into sport. Spears, knives, fist fights, discs, throwing stars, even a whip. So many of these are terribly inefficient weapons and more for the art of fighting and prowess and thrill versus efficiency. These are not warfare weapons or extermination tools.
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 07:20:18 PM
Yeah, it isn't shown. So it's equally possible they get their tech from an/other species, either through trade, theft, extortion or outright enslavement. In some ways that'd jive more with what we do see of their culture.
Yet they know how to use it and capable to do so.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 18, 2021, 07:17:11 PM
Perhaps not a civilization in the sense of political government, but since they can travel through space (and according to AVP millennia before us) I'd say that they must have a civilization of some kind. I mean, to make space vehicles you need: knowledge, academics, resources, engineers, government bodies (scientific, military, economic), science breakthroughs, etc.
Or you can hit a more advanced civilisation in the face, steal its tech and kill them all with it while they're slowed down figuring out what happened
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 07:20:18 PM
Yeah, it isn't shown. So it's equally possible they get their tech from an/other species, either through trade, theft, extortion or outright enslavement. In some ways that'd jive more with what we do see of their culture.
^^^
Predator conquer ~ I'm in Alien Theory mode!!!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 18, 2021, 07:23:17 PM
We've learned through the Predator movies that they're into sport. Spears, knives, fist fights, discs, throwing stars, even a whip. So many of these are terribly inefficient weapons and more for the art of fighting and prowess and thrill versus efficiency. These are not warfare weapons or extermination tools.
True though this may be, when Predators are on missions that
aren't traditional hunts, they use the same equipment, pretty much. Wolf wasn't hunting, yet he largely used the same arsenal. The preds in The Predator weren't hunting, yet they largely used the same arsenal. Maybe those are just the weapons they have access to?
QuoteYet they know how to use it and capable to do so.
This doesn't really have any relevance. You know how to access and use this forum, but you didnt design or develop it. Native Americans during colonial times picked up the use of guns pretty fast once they got access to them, but they never designed or built them themselves.
Maybe that's the reason for the differences in visual language, making the Lost Tribe make sense both in age and particularly in name being one of the last using the original Predator technology, so that explains all the alternate variations of Predator ships, the variety of Predator weapons and armor they have access to and, by extension their culture.
Maybe they are like Olympian space gods 💪🌞⚡
Me thinks too many are trying to stretch so much subjecture here in an effort to not credit Predators for where they are technologically.
So it's time to bring out the big guns!
(https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Predator-Killer-Suit.jpg)
:laugh:
That's the big guns?
They look pretty big. :laugh:
The suit is a whole killing machine swiss army knife!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 18, 2021, 07:54:43 PM
Me thinks too many are trying to stretch so much subjecture here in an effort to not credit Predators for where they are technologically.
So it's time to bring out the big guns!
(https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Predator-Killer-Suit.jpg)
:laugh:
Well, good luck with using The Predator as proof of anything about Predator's lore :D
I'm only poking fun, but I'd genuinely take the Hydra or Blazer more seriously, but you're right though it does appear Predator in origin.
The baffling part's why make it like that at all?
The artificial adornments around the head in particular give away to me it's not designed for themselves.
For what it's worth, I'm not trying to take credit for Pred tech away from them, or discredit Predators at all. I was a Predator fan before I ever saw an Alien movie. But, given what is shown of them in official media, we don't really have any indication they have the ability to 'wipe out planets' or exterminate entire species as has been suggested over the last couple of pages. I was simply playing devil's advocate and showing that you could just as easily extrapolate Predators being pretty lacking in such capabilities based on the same core evidence.
As far as the actual question this thread title asked, I can't really pick one over the other. Both feature in stories I love, and stories I wish I'd never been exposed to. They're very different in some ways, but both stem from an original story where they're essentially a slasher movie villain. Both Aliens and Predators have been portrayed differently over the years and I don't much care for some of those portrayals.
But AvP couldn't exist without both creatures, and AvP stories can't really be good if you fail to portray both creatures as absolute killing machines. Requiem showed us what happens when you fail to give credit to one of the participants in that central conflict. The concept loses its steam. This isn't to say they're equal in all things - there are obvious asymmetries - but they should be portrayed as equal in terms of threat, or else there's no tension in the battle at all.
As for the Predsuit, I'm of the opinion it was designed as a deliberate mockery of the studio's requests to Shane Black.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 18, 2021, 07:54:43 PM
Me thinks too many are trying to stretch so much subjecture here in an effort to not credit Predators for where they are technologically.
So it's time to bring out the big guns!
(https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Predator-Killer-Suit.jpg)
:laugh:
They stole that tech from cyber Dutch civilization.
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:laugh:
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 08:16:12 PM
For what it's worth, I'm not trying to take credit for Pred tech away from them, or discredit Predators at all. I was a Predator fan before I ever saw an Alien movie. But, given what is shown of them in official media, we don't really have any indication they have the ability to 'wipe out planets' or exterminate entire species as has been suggested over the last couple of pages. I was simply playing devil's advocate and showing that you could just as easily extrapolate Predators being pretty lacking in such capabilities based on the same core evidence.
Well, Predators do have miniature nuclear devices built into all of their wrist guantlets. That and the ability to fire photon torpedo looking projectiles and create wormholes via their spacecrafts left me confident to extrapolate from there. Come on, throw me this bone at least. ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/vjcgZt5/Screenshot-20210218-161515-You-Tube.jpg)
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(https://i.ibb.co/P5bwW2X/IMG-20181015-153025.png)
In regards to stealing technology, you'll like this backstory from the Neca Alpha Predator figure that was also featured in the Predator Hunting Grounds video game. They say the technology was taken and embraced by the Predators, then expanded upon for generations.
(https://i.ibb.co/CPdZbfh/proxy.png)
We're told this Neca lore is canon, but ya know, it's Neca. :)
Honestly I don't really give a crap about what Fox or anyone else says is canon. I debate for the sake of discussion rather than trying to convince anyone if some 'truth' when it comes to AvP.
As we all do. "Canon" is just an excuse ;)
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 09:32:33 PM
Honestly I don't really give a crap about what Fox or anyone else says is canon. I debate for the sake of discussion rather than trying to convince anyone if some 'truth' when it comes to AvP.
Ease up there partner! :) I was including what we were told, but even I feel indifferent about it, evident by how I worded it.
Oh I love that idea for the overall history though even if it is likely simplified.
It was a neat way to bring the original Predator design into lore.
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I never heard it before now but I like it even if it's just a legend amongst them. Perhaps the River Ghost's another slave race then. Perhaps Predators harbor a deep prejudice for insect like species.
Didn't mean to come off as hostile, I got the sense you weren't taking it entirely seriously either, Voodoo.
Honestly with AvP media, there's so much material and so many different portrayals it's hard to argue anything that's 100% consistent throughout. Which is why I prefer to talk in terms of ideas and interpretations without asserting my 'headcanon'.
But from a storytelling perspective, I don't think Predators being amazing at everything is very interesting or conducive to telling good stories, and thematically it doesn't mesh with what has been shown to us throughout the movies and spinoff materials. The Predator probably depicts them as the most advanced they have ever been, and I wonder if it's entirely coincidence that it's one of the least popular movies.
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
Aliens aren't exactly shown to blindly rush into overwhelming opposition.
In Aliens (one their own movies) the Xenomorphs/Aliens literally run into the Automatic turret fire and lose an outlandish amount of their number just to "test the defenses" they very much run blindly into overwhelming opposition.
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Feb 18, 2021, 11:05:11 PM
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
Aliens aren't exactly shown to blindly rush into overwhelming opposition.
In Aliens (one their own movies) the Xenomorphs/Aliens literally run into the Automatic turret fire and lose an outlandish amount of their number just to "test the defenses" they very much run blindly into overwhelming opposition.
Only in the extended cut, and even then we don't really see how many of them are killed. It's not impossible that they 'baited' the guns into firing and expending their ammo.
Honestly, I feel like the scene was probably removed because it doesn't really jive with later scenes where the aliens are shown to be pretty smart, cutting the power, using the elevator, etc.
Yeah the Aliens Special Edition and the Alien³ Special Edition each have a scene that diminishes the Alien's intelligence on the surface level.
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 11:11:22 PM
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Feb 18, 2021, 11:05:11 PM
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
Aliens aren't exactly shown to blindly rush into overwhelming opposition.
In Aliens (one their own movies) the Xenomorphs/Aliens literally run into the Automatic turret fire and lose an outlandish amount of their number just to "test the defenses" they very much run blindly into overwhelming opposition.
Only in the extended cut, and even then we don't really see how many of them are killed. It's not impossible that they 'baited' the guns into firing and expending their ammo.
Honestly, I feel like the scene was probably removed because it doesn't really jive with later scenes where the aliens are shown to be pretty smart, cutting the power, using the elevator, etc.
I see your point, I should have put a "Haha" or "lol" my mistake, I was just joking about that scene, I know it's not part of the original film. As much as I love Predators, Aliens are truly much much smarter than people give them credit for, think about this, the predators in AVP are around a hundred years old when they are considered youngbloods that have many years of training under their belt and are defeated by a being that is merely hours or a day or so old. Aliens are born into the world and have to take in everything around them and act in an adult capacity in a very short period of time to survive the hostile environment around them, mind you a human isn't even at this capacity for many years and certainly not as capable to defend itself, as I'm sure is the same for Predators only longer due to how long they live and take to mature, Aliens are within hours to a day able to understand human technology, coordinate and make traps as well as fully understand their own biology (Alien Resurrection they kill their own to escape) we have yet to see Aliens live past two weeks in the movies and they were already very intelligent, I can imagine if they were allowed to live and continue for years they would be nearly unstoppable. As much as I love Predators..Aliens are too damn impressive not admire.
They definitely get mixed portrayals when it comes to smarts. Sometimes they're shown to be surprisingly cunning, and learn from brief observations of their prey. Other times the writers/filmmakers/whatever have them doing pants-on-head-crazy shit like charging straight into enemy fire in the sentry guns scene or allowing Wolf to choke them out without even attempting to use their claws or tails to fight back. Such are the vagaries of long-running media franchises.
You've got me wondering how long it takes Predators to reach biological maturity now. Hm...
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 11:37:59 PM
They definitely get mixed portrayals when it comes to smarts. Sometimes they're shown to be surprisingly cunning, and learn from brief observations of their prey. Other times the writers/filmmakers/whatever have them doing pants-on-head-crazy shit like charging straight into enemy fire in the sentry guns scene or allowing Wolf to choke them out without even attempting to use their claws or tails to fight back. Such are the vagaries of long-running media franchises.
You've got me wondering how long it takes Predators to reach biological maturity now. Hm...
Very true, well it said the AVP 2004 Youngbloods were Teenagers doing their manhood rituals so we can assume they are the human equivalent of 14-18 or 18-22 (depending on their culture and standards for when you are considered to be old enough for adulthood) so I would assume it takes about 100 years or 105 years to reach maturity. In the film it said they return every 100 years, it was 1904 to 2004 since the last Youngbloods did their ritual. Though the avp website says they take 60 years to reach maturity.
True, but it's worth noting that just because they do the ritual once every 100 years doesn't mean the participants are 100 years old. Maybe they only accept new members once every 100 years, or maybe they do them much more frequently, but not always on Earth.
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 11:58:22 PM
True, but it's worth noting that just because they do the ritual once every 100 years doesn't mean the participants are 100 years old. Maybe they only accept new members once every 100 years, or maybe they do them much more frequently, but not always on Earth.
Yeah I modified my post to include that the website indicates 50-60 years for maturation. As I realize my mistake, I did not consider what you said. I was way off haha.
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Feb 18, 2021, 11:05:11 PM
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
Aliens aren't exactly shown to blindly rush into overwhelming opposition.
In Aliens (one their own movies) the Xenomorphs/Aliens literally run into the Automatic turret fire and lose an outlandish amount of their number just to "test the defenses" they very much run blindly into overwhelming opposition.
We ... don't talk about that
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Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Feb 18, 2021, 11:30:37 PM
I see your point, I should have put a "Haha" or "lol" my mistake, I was just joking about that scene, I know it's not part of the original film. As much as I love Predators, Aliens are truly much much smarter than people give them credit for, think about this, the predators in AVP are around a hundred years old when they are considered youngbloods that have many years of training under their belt and are defeated by a being that is merely hours or a day or so old. Aliens are born into the world and have to take in everything around them and act in an adult capacity in a very short period of time to survive the hostile environment around them, mind you a human isn't even at this capacity for many years and certainly not as capable to defend itself, as I'm sure is the same for Predators only longer due to how long they live and take to mature, Aliens are within hours to a day able to understand human technology, coordinate and make traps as well as fully understand their own biology (Alien Resurrection they kill their own to escape) we have yet to see Aliens live past two weeks in the movies and they were already very intelligent, I can imagine if they were allowed to live and continue for years they would be nearly unstoppable. As much as I love Predators..Aliens are too damn impressive not admire.
Yeaaaah, actually. Good point
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 19, 2021, 07:44:04 AM
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Feb 18, 2021, 11:05:11 PM
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
Aliens aren't exactly shown to blindly rush into overwhelming opposition.
In Aliens (one their own movies) the Xenomorphs/Aliens literally run into the Automatic turret fire and lose an outlandish amount of their number just to "test the defenses" they very much run blindly into overwhelming opposition.
We ... don't talk about that
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/l2JJzAiFBakUXxP2g/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 18, 2021, 11:25:20 PMYeah the Aliens Special Edition and the Alien³ Special Edition each have a scene that diminishes the Alien's intelligence on the surface level.
I've never understood how them swarming the sentry guns somehow makes them less intelligent.
They're adapting their strategy to a different scenario, and that's definitely a sign of intelligence.
They know they have sufficient numbers that they can afford to lose a few to get what they're after. When it becomes clear that's not necessarily the case, they adapt again.
Seems intelligent to me. Plus the fact they're willing to die to get what they want when they can afford it just serves to make them scarier imo.
I said on the surface level.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 18, 2021, 11:25:20 PM
Yeah the Aliens Special Edition and the Alien³ Special Edition each have a scene that diminishes the Alien's intelligence on the surface level.
What if it was the Queen intelligence instead. I mean, perhaps she was controlling her soldiers with pheromones so that she could test the waters at the battlefield. A sacrifice for a greater good.
(https://i.ibb.co/QksKFKC/descarga.jpg)
I think the Alien Queen's actually more instinctually driven than intellectually driven so that makes sense.
Her hive was in the atmosphere processor. Who knows.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2021, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 18, 2021, 11:25:20 PM
Yeah the Aliens Special Edition and the Alien³ Special Edition each have a scene that diminishes the Alien's intelligence on the surface level.
What if it was the Queen intelligence instead. I mean, perhaps she was controlling her soldiers with pheromones so that she could test the waters at the battlefield. A sacrifice for a greater good.
https://i.ibb.co/QksKFKC/descarga.jpg
Perhaps ?
https://youtu.be/zPkMd2nLRzQ (https://youtu.be/zPkMd2nLRzQ)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2021, 04:21:37 PMHer hive was in the atmosphere processor.
I've always liked the theory that she set up there not just because it was a nice warm place to incubate her eggs, but because she knew it would make it difficult for anyone to kill her without vaporising the entire colony. That in turn would tie in with one of the more interesting ideas from
Resurrection - that the Aliens inherit memories genetically from their host. She knew because she was born from someone who lived at the colony and knew what the processor was.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2021, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 18, 2021, 11:25:20 PMYeah the Aliens Special Edition and the Alien³ Special Edition each have a scene that diminishes the Alien's intelligence on the surface level.
I've never understood how them swarming the sentry guns somehow makes them less intelligent.
They're adapting their strategy to a different scenario, and that's definitely a sign of intelligence.
They know they have sufficient numbers that they can afford to lose a few to get what they're after. When it becomes clear that's not necessarily the case, they adapt again.
Seems intelligent to me. Plus the fact they're willing to die to get what they want when they can afford it just serves to make them scarier imo.
It all speaks to an ant colony type of system, working together to solve complex problems for their common good.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2021, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2021, 04:21:37 PMHer hive was in the atmosphere processor.
I've always liked the theory that she set up there not just because it was a nice warm place to incubate her eggs, but because she knew it would make it difficult for anyone to kill her without vaporising the entire colony. That in turn would tie in with one of the more interesting ideas from Resurrection - that the Aliens inherit memories genetically from their host. She knew because she was born from someone who lived at the colony and knew what the processor was.
Yes, yes and yes again
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 19, 2021, 05:02:25 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2021, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2021, 04:21:37 PMHer hive was in the atmosphere processor.
I've always liked the theory that she set up there not just because it was a nice warm place to incubate her eggs, but because she knew it would make it difficult for anyone to kill her without vaporising the entire colony. That in turn would tie in with one of the more interesting ideas from Resurrection - that the Aliens inherit memories genetically from their host. She knew because she was born from someone who lived at the colony and knew what the processor was.
Yes, yes and yes again
Wow never thought of that before. The memory inherited through genetic material can deliver interesting monster mechanics to so speak. I actually dig it 8)
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 19, 2021, 07:44:04 AM
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Feb 18, 2021, 11:05:11 PM
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 18, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
Aliens aren't exactly shown to blindly rush into overwhelming opposition.
In Aliens (one their own movies) the Xenomorphs/Aliens literally run into the Automatic turret fire and lose an outlandish amount of their number just to "test the defenses" they very much run blindly into overwhelming opposition.
We ... don't talk about that
https://redecomposition.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/tumblr_osp69u3jg01wo1px3o4_540.gif
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Feb 18, 2021, 11:30:37 PM
I see your point, I should have put a "Haha" or "lol" my mistake, I was just joking about that scene, I know it's not part of the original film. As much as I love Predators, Aliens are truly much much smarter than people give them credit for, think about this, the predators in AVP are around a hundred years old when they are considered youngbloods that have many years of training under their belt and are defeated by a being that is merely hours or a day or so old. Aliens are born into the world and have to take in everything around them and act in an adult capacity in a very short period of time to survive the hostile environment around them, mind you a human isn't even at this capacity for many years and certainly not as capable to defend itself, as I'm sure is the same for Predators only longer due to how long they live and take to mature, Aliens are within hours to a day able to understand human technology, coordinate and make traps as well as fully understand their own biology (Alien Resurrection they kill their own to escape) we have yet to see Aliens live past two weeks in the movies and they were already very intelligent, I can imagine if they were allowed to live and continue for years they would be nearly unstoppable. As much as I love Predators..Aliens are too damn impressive not admire.
Yeaaaah, actually. Good point
hahahaha, thank you.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2021, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 19, 2021, 05:02:25 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2021, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2021, 04:21:37 PMHer hive was in the atmosphere processor.
I've always liked the theory that she set up there not just because it was a nice warm place to incubate her eggs, but because she knew it would make it difficult for anyone to kill her without vaporising the entire colony. That in turn would tie in with one of the more interesting ideas from Resurrection - that the Aliens inherit memories genetically from their host. She knew because she was born from someone who lived at the colony and knew what the processor was.
Yes, yes and yes again
Wow never thought of that before. The memory inherited through genetic material can deliver interesting monster mechanics to so speak. I actually dig it 8)
That's one of those theories that I find particularly interesting. It was one of the elements of Dust to Dust I really enjoyed seeing played with. It's a shame the EU has never played a little more with that.
Requiem does play a little bit with the idea that Chet inherited some traits from Scar. She was going to skin a few Predators and the bodies are still kind of visible in the final film. That was also why she took a spine. It might've also been why she just waited for Wolf to challenge her since she might've known that this was something Predators do.
In AVP 2010 the spine rip was also Dark's introduction to the Predalien as well as if Dark dies in the campaign's final level to it she'll actually tear his head off.
It does make me wonder if the genetic inheritance does go both ways. The Alien they spawn from in addition to the host. If accounting for the queen if the Aliens have a genetic memory then it would explain how Grid ultimately killed Chopper. The Queen has been around so long for prior hunts that she'd know the Predators can turn invisible and might know how to spot it. I mean Aliens at the time didn't have eyes but speaking retroactively with Covenant portraying the POV that could be another example of it.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 21, 2021, 07:10:44 PM
It does make me wonder if the genetic inheritance does go both ways. The Alien they spawn from in addition to the host. If accounting for the queen if the Aliens have a genetic memory then it would explain how Grid ultimately killed Chopper. The Queen has been around so long for prior hunts that she'd know the Predators can turn invisible and might know how to spot it. I mean Aliens at the time didn't have eyes but speaking retroactively with Covenant portraying the POV that could be another example of it.
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Video games actually helped a lot in favor of perceived imbalance regarding the two species. I mean, I adore AVP2, but in this game you chain kill Xenos like bugs, with the marine and predator alike.
Yeah, and then you blow up Marines as Xeno by just jumping at them
Like in the films?
I don't remember Dietrich exploding when that Xeno landed on her ;)
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Fair enough
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 21, 2021, 10:07:25 PM
Yeah, and then you blow up Marines as Xeno by just jumping at them
Man that E key was some godsend gift !
IKR ? :D
So are the Xenos in Aliens supposed to be blueish like on screen or the brownish color from behind the scenes?
Yes.
They look bluish because of the lighting and colour correction. Humans in those same scenes don't exactly appear to have natural skintones either.
And since they're supposed to be the same species as the creature in Alien I'd imagine they're supposed to have the more neutral-tones look of the original when seen under white lights.
Yeah Eighty-Five's right.
Fun useless fact : did you know that eighty five is called sixty five in the french dubbed version ? I never quite got why. Voilà !
If I remember my A-level Psychology correctly, some older IQ scales capped out at a lower number than the current one. Maybe it's a conversion to the French system of the time?
Alternatively, they decided 85 wasn't low enough to convey stupidity, since its only really a step below average IQ.
Or maybe a typo by the translator, who knows? In the French version of Transformers, Starscream was a woman so it's hardly the weirdest example of lost in translation out there.
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Feb 26, 2021, 12:35:49 PM
If I remember my A-level Psychology correctly, some older IQ scales capped out at a lower number than the current one. Maybe it's a conversion to the French system of the time?
Alternatively, they decided 85 wasn't low enough to convey stupidity, since its only really a step below average IQ.
Or maybe a typo by the translator, who knows? In the French version of Transformers, Starscream was a woman so it's hardly the weirdest example of lost in translation out there.
Yeah totaly possible. Although to be fair, I never thought eighty (sixty ?) five appeared THAT stupid anyways.
Anything below 100 is below average.
I'd guess the French version is 65 because soixante-cinq fits the dubbing/is a faster, more disparaging number than quatre-vingt-cinq.
That makes sense. Less of a mouthful.
I have a question, is what Ridley Scott says off screen about Xenomorphs considered canon or no?
That depends on who you ask and what they consider canon.
And whether what he says matches up with what's on screen.
I see, thank you.
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Mar 17, 2021, 12:07:03 AM
I have a question, is what Ridley Scott says off screen about Xenomorphs considered canon or no?
Ahhh the good old days.
What three years ago?
When he said that they can reconstitute themselves on the Alien Covenant Director's commentary?
Damn he is old.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 18, 2021, 04:06:50 AM
What three years ago?
When he said that they can reconstitute themselves on the Alien Covenant Director's commentary?
Naw. The GG days when we used to argue out of universe stuff vs in universe stuff.
We'd typically throw out directors commentary etc because certain directors have been known to contradict themselves dozens of times in their association with the franchise.
And another director washed his hands of the franchise and disowned his film.
And that was before the last two entries.
So my next question then would be...are Xenomorphs hermaphrodites like Ridley Scott says? Wait, hold on...reconstitute themselves?
Pretty sure Ridley doesn't actually know what hermaphrodite means.
Quote from: Eighty-Five on Mar 19, 2021, 06:45:55 PM
Pretty sure Ridley doesn't actually know what hermaphrodite means.
Hahaha! You are probably right about that.
Predators (Yautja) for me.
I love that they live by Bushidoesque Honor Code.
The Pred mask/ helm is the most epic design I've seen in fiction.
The Weapons are very Eastern Martial Arts in design like the Combistick, Shuriken, Smart Disc, and wristblades. I practice Kenjitsu myself.
The Predator is to me a Samurai with Shinobi/ Ninja elements (particularly that cloaking device) who is on the Hunt like warriors who prepare for war.
Alien all day. Everything about them is very unique to the design, and incredible life cycle. It's a shame that they're now treated as Cannon fodder in recent years, I rather have another alien: Isolation then an action packed game Even if it's done well, no offense to fireteam
Nice.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Oct 21, 2021, 01:47:31 AM
Alien all day. Everything about them is very unique to the design, and incredible life cycle. It's a shame that they're now treated as Cannon fodder in recent years, I rather have another alien: Isolation then an action packed game Even if it's done well, no offense to fireteam
They're just big space bugs. ;)
Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 21, 2021, 05:01:17 PM
They're just big space bugs. ;)
Oy.... lol
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Quote from: Master Chief on Oct 21, 2021, 05:01:17 PM
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Oct 21, 2021, 01:47:31 AM
Alien all day. Everything about them is very unique to the design, and incredible life cycle. It's a shame that they're now treated as Cannon fodder in recent years, I rather have another alien: Isolation then an action packed game Even if it's done well, no offense to fireteam
They're just big space bugs. ;)
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Do we need an iteration of the Aliens Are Not Insects Project for a new generation?
But are insects aliens?
Depends whether or not you're watching War of the Coprophages.
The (original) Alien.
As great as the Predator is, the Alien is a much more striking creature design.
Alien or Predator, This is a very interesting question because both bring a lot to the table, The predator is such a great creature from its design to the vast selection of weapons, and nothing is more iconic that its thermal vision and voice mimicry its truly a terrifying creature but I have to give it to Alien the fact that the Xenomorph is truly terrifying (Just play Alien Isolation to see what I mean) Plus the Alien Universe in my opinion is way more in-depth and diverse. There is so much to explore with Alien where predator there is not as much outside of the few films and comics and besides Predator and Predator 2 there is not as many good films where with Alien I love the first three and I enjoy Resurrection even if its not a good Alien movie.
i prefer Predators because :
Because they were the first to appear since the first movie
They have always been present in the history of civilizations
They are the leaders and the hunters
They are professional fighters killers
They rule the rules of the game
Every time they come up with new technics and stronger technology..........
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Alien all day. Everything about them is very unique to the design, and incredible life cycle. It's a shame that they're now treated as Cannon fodder in recent years, I rather have another alien: Isolation then an action packed game Even if it's done well, no offense to fireteam
They're just big space bugs. ;)
"Is this gonna be stand up fight or another bug hunt?" -Hudson, Aliens
The Aliens by far. Predators are cool but they are not as otherworldly and horrifying as the Xenomorph XX121, as Predators are a bit more ''human'' and reasonable; the Alien is an unstoppable monstrosity from the darkest depths of space and far more mysterious even now after 'Alien Vs. Predator', 'Prometheus' and 'ALIEN: Covenant'.
I like your Avi Marshal.
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Whatever
Not if all my twenty two alternate accounts have anything to say about it!
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I like your Avi Marshal.
Yeah, underrated movie and Connery is great in it! :)
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I find that surprising! I a not disparaging the predator, but I would have expected the xenomorph to have won by a landslide! Good on your Preddy, even if I didn't vote for you! 8)
I really liked the Marshals being established in Alien Isolation.
It's a shame they've never revisited them.
How much more sense would River of Pain have made if it'd been Marshals instead of Marines at the colony.
Present in the RPG I believe.
Are they like Outland marshals?
Haven't you played Isolation?
He's still trying to master Pac-Man, but it's on his list.
I tried, but I couldn't get into it. Also, CB described it as an anxiety simulator and that dissuaded me even further.
Side effects after playing vary from player to player. Some may experience a strong craving for cigarettes while others for ice cream. Nuns may also be good for anxiety.
I also fear it'll convince me that Amanda Ripley's inclusion wasn't such a bad idea after all, and I stubbornly reject that on general principle. >:(
It's a work of art.
I also had a similar experience as the OP in this...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/751154-alien-isolation/70291103
Definitely not up for VR.
I could only do bursts of Isolation in VR. It's also due to how warm I get in the headset and makes me go even more light-headed. :laugh:
I didn't even play in VR. It just seemed like the camera angle was way too high.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2022, 07:22:20 AM
I could only do bursts of Isolation in VR. It's also due to how warm I get in the headset and makes me go even more light-headed. :laugh:
That just makes an anxiety filled, pulse pounding situation even more realistic!
I felt that as well honestly, until around an hour into it.
Predator. Don't get me wrong, I love Alien as well...but to me, there's always been so much untapped potential with the Predator franchise.
Throw a Yautja into a Western, Victorian England, WW2, etc.
Alien, specially cuz Predator likely wouldn't have made it this far were it not for it
Quote from: Brooklyn First Team on Aug 02, 2022, 01:22:28 AMPredator. Don't get me wrong, I love Alien as well...but to me, there's always been so much untapped potential with the Predator franchise.
Throw a Yautja into a Western, Victorian England, WW2, etc.
There's a lot of flexibility within the Predator franchise that I hope Prey is just the start of being tapped in to for live action.
I started out as a pure Predator fan. Over the years my appreciation for Xenomorphs has grown to the point they're equal or possibly slightly ahead.
I admit the Xenomorph is the more unique design, even if its elongated skull/head is inspired from Mayan skulls and Pharaoh crowns.
The Yautja, save for the mandibles and face seems less alien, kinda like how Twi'leks and Rodians in SW seem less alien because their torso, arms, legs and etc are human in shape.
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 16, 2022, 01:28:32 AMI admit the Xenomorph is the more unique design, even if its elongated skull/head is inspired from Mayan skulls and Pharaoh crowns.
It's a penis.
I'm not even joking. It's a giant penis.
We are all phalos worshippers here
Quote from: SiL on Aug 18, 2022, 05:43:21 AMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 16, 2022, 01:28:32 AMI admit the Xenomorph is the more unique design, even if its elongated skull/head is inspired from Mayan skulls and Pharaoh crowns.
It's a penis.
I'm not even joking. It's a giant penis.
What's the Yautja face then?
Honestly look at the back of your own throat and you'll realise it's not what Harrigan says it is.
ALL HAIL THE BEEF TRUNCHEON.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 18, 2022, 05:43:21 AMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 16, 2022, 01:28:32 AMI admit the Xenomorph is the more unique design, even if its elongated skull/head is inspired from Mayan skulls and Pharaoh crowns.
It's a penis.
I'm not even joking. It's a giant penis.
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I started out as a pure Alien fan decades ago but lately have been more heavily leaning towards Predator to my own surprise as well.
ALIENS all the way
the first movie started all this
the alien is by far the most deadly creature, has the better design and is more elegant.
dont get me wrong...i like the preds very well and i also collect much of the pred merch...
BUT when it comes to an comparison, alien is on top
maybe some of you hate me for this, but if you think about it enough, maybe some will agree.
there are to many inconsistencies in the preds universe for me.
in the first movie, the pred was an sadistic hunter and enjoys the killing with his technical toys.
i liked that because it was a real threat and scary as hell.
but over the years it changes into the wrong way.
what about that "killing with honor" crap in the preds culture ???
they kill cloaked, and mostly weaker and smaller beeings... where is the honor ?
the xenos give a shit and kill all whats in their way !!!
some say the predators are more intelligent...
yeah of course...runnig around with super duper weapons, but in the end, beaten up with wood an stone and in the case of PREY, kicked in the ass by Pocahontas with its own weapons....ts,ts,ts
in the first avp movie, grid killed two preds...
some fans said: yeah but the preds in there were only teenagers...
i say: oh really ? and what about grid ? its maybe 5 hours old my friends ;)
even the strausse brothers said:" we have to make the aliens a little bit more stupid and weak,
to give the predator a chance in an one on one fight without his weapons"
(by the way: f**k avp2 :laugh:)
since the avp universe, the preds must team up with humans in comics, movies ect.
the xenos never team up with anybody, they just live to kill...
think about that ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Neila on Aug 22, 2022, 11:28:27 PMwhat about that "killing with honor" crap in the preds culture ???
they kill cloaked, and mostly weaker and smaller beeings... where is the honor ?
the xenos give a shit and kill all whats in their way !!!
in the first avp movie, grid killed two preds...
some fans said: yeah but the preds in there were only teenagers...
i say: oh really ? and what about grid ? its maybe 5 hours old my friends ;)
since the avp universe, the preds must team up with humans in comics, movies ect.
the xenos never team up with anybody, they just live to kill...
Interesting points here to ponder. Aliens are born to kill straight away, fight on their own and will fight anything without any pretence of a code.
I always found the whole "Pred ares stronger than Xenos" stuff so blatantly false, the Xenos are always the ones that get nerfed to oblivion in the crossovers, and even then, it's always human spawned Xenos
both have their strengths and weaknesses, of course.
but with the crossovers the xenos become more and more a mindless being,
be it in comics, most of the games, novels or films.
this one scene in avp2-reqiem is a good example.
wolf graps two xenos at the same time and all they do is fidget.
that's ridiculous, they could have just impaled him with their tails.
same nonsense with the avp(3) game poster.
big pred holds the marine in one hand and the alien in the other:
"take a picture, i don't have much time" :laugh:
the predator must be a bit more intelligent than the alien because he uses futuristic weapons and technology.
but the alien shouldn't be so stupid that it doesn't fight back.
I think the powers of both should be balanced. but that's easy to say.
when the aliens attack in hordes it becomes too difficult for the predator
I'm shocked, absolutely SHOCKED, that Predator is only slightly in the lead in the poll.
Who could possibly vote for such abominations as the xenomorphs? 😝
People that know that the Predator franchise would have died in 1990 if Alien hadn't had a crossover with it ;D
The Predators as, like humans, they can develop technology to increase their abilities.
Eh
Quote from: SparkyMularkey on Nov 18, 2022, 01:19:44 AMI'm shocked, absolutely SHOCKED, that Predator is only slightly in the lead in the poll.
Who could possibly vote for such abominations as the xenomorphs? 😝
STFU'n'ĢTFO
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 22, 2022, 09:06:45 AMQuote from: SparkyMularkey on Nov 18, 2022, 01:19:44 AMI'm shocked, absolutely SHOCKED, that Predator is only slightly in the lead in the poll.
Who could possibly vote for such abominations as the xenomorphs? 😝
STFU'n'ĢTFO
Your new avatar f**king makes that post sing lol
Quote from: SparkyMularkey on Nov 18, 2022, 01:19:44 AMI'm shocked, absolutely SHOCKED, that Predator is only slightly in the lead in the poll.
and i'm shocked that he's even in the poll ;D ;D ;D
I Vote for Alien.
Recently leaning toward Predator
Because Predator has four good films, and Alien still has only three, that came out before I was born. Good thing we have Isolation, Alex White's books, and Dark Horse's last Alien books in recent memory.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 22, 2022, 09:46:33 AMQuote from: Kradan on Nov 22, 2022, 09:06:45 AMQuote from: SparkyMularkey on Nov 18, 2022, 01:19:44 AMI'm shocked, absolutely SHOCKED, that Predator is only slightly in the lead in the poll.
Who could possibly vote for such abominations as the xenomorphs? 😝
STFU'n'ĢTFO
Your new avatar f**king makes that post sing lol
Even I have to admit that it's pretty funny, yeah, lol!
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 08, 2023, 11:12:03 PMRecently leaning toward Predator
It's ok to make the switch to Predator, everyone will understand.
I love animalistic aliens so ALIENS, Now I do love the Predators its just I like the Xenomorphs a tad bit more than the Yautja
Buncha soda-drinking Predator fans in this forum. ::)
We're whiskey sippin' cigar smokin' fans.
This is you guys:
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So AVP is a bit like👀🤏 combining these two drinks😅👉👈
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Eh... I will admit I don't like the taste of Coke Cola and it burns my esophagus. I more of a Strawberry Fanta, Mug Root Beer, and Sprite guy.
Also I dislike alcohol.
I prefer the Alien but probably consume more whiskey and tobacco than Arnie himself.
Et Tu, Predbois?
I like both ALIEN and PREDATOR but I tend to gravitate towards ALIEN since its in the future
No, AVP is still soda because the entire premise of AVP is nerfing down the Aliens so they all can be instakilled by the Predator
Eh, it's become that, certainly. But it has its moments where they're either perfectly matched, or it's on par with Aliens for K/D ratios.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on May 18, 2023, 01:55:35 PMNo, AVP is still soda because the entire premise of AVP is nerfing down the Aliens so they all can be instakilled by the Predator
Yeah
I still stand by Anderson's AvP's portrayal. I felt like both species were represented to their strengths. Grid takes out Chopper due to its own ability to be sneaky. Celtic loses to Grid because of its own arrogance (can't get more Predator than that). Scar dominates at range when he gets the plasma caster. etc, etc. It's one of the film's own strengths imho.
It's disappointing two Preds get offed so close together, but their deaths pretty much mirror Jungle Hunter and City Hunter - not paying attention to the surroundings, and thinking the prey was incapacitated.
Heck, they're attacked from the same direction. Chopper is hit from above and Celtic from the ground.
It's all that caffeine. They get all jittery and make mistakes.
As an antagonist I prefer the Xenomorph, as a anti-hero The Predator.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2023, 07:14:22 AMI still stand by Anderson's AvP's portrayal. I felt like both species were represented to their strengths. Grid takes out Chopper to its own ability to sneaky. Celtic loses to Grid because of its own arrogance (can't get more Predator than that). Scar dominates at range when he gets the plasma caster. etc, etc. It's one of the film's own strengths imho.
I still feel like there's a better way to handle it on screen. Myself, I love both franchises, but their crossover always leaves a sour taste in all media but the games (for me). I think *because* I'm not keen on the two universes mixing, I'd like to see it done differently. I'd like to see it go the horror route as opposed to action (I know that may sound weird when one thinks of AvP) but I often picture something like the setting of 'Alien' - dark, claustrophobic, space a vast, empty, silent place. One xeno, one predator, and a ships crew. The predator would be kitted out with less technology, similar to seen in 'Prey' so the xeno wouldn't have to be nerfed. Rather than having the two beasts constantly duelling it out, it'd be more opportunist encounters between the two, with each knowing when to retreat.(and a crew slowly piecing together what is going on/figuring out they are dealing with two very different threats) Basically, 'Alien Isolation' with a feral in the mix. I like to picture scenes like we saw with Dallas in the ducts, except instead of the alien, the creepiness of seeing the outline of a cloaked predator in front of a strobing fan... that sort of aesthetic. Drop the AvP title to lose the association with action and simply retitle it 'Alien: Prey' (I feel a fan fiction brewing 😂)
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jun 04, 2023, 10:30:47 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2023, 07:14:22 AMI still stand by Anderson's AvP's portrayal. I felt like both species were represented to their strengths. Grid takes out Chopper to its own ability to sneaky. Celtic loses to Grid because of its own arrogance (can't get more Predator than that). Scar dominates at range when he gets the plasma caster. etc, etc. It's one of the film's own strengths imho.
I still feel like there's a better way to handle it on screen. Myself, I love both franchises, but their crossover always leaves a sour taste in all media but the games (for me). I think *because* I'm not keen on the two universes mixing, I'd like to see it done differently. I'd like to see it go the horror route as opposed to action (I know that may sound weird when one thinks of AvP) but I often picture something like the setting of 'Alien' - dark, claustrophobic, space a vast, empty, silent place. One xeno, one predator, and a ships crew. The predator would be kitted out with less technology, similar to seen in 'Prey' so the xeno wouldn't have to be nerfed. Rather than having the two beasts constantly duelling it out, it'd be more opportunist encounters between the two, with each knowing when to retreat.(and a crew slowly piecing together what is going on/figuring out they are dealing with two very different threats) Basically, 'Alien Isolation' with a feral in the mix. I like to picture scenes like we saw with Dallas in the ducts, except instead of the alien, the creepiness of seeing the outline of a cloaked predator in front of a strobing fan... that sort of aesthetic. Drop the AvP title to lose the association with action and simply retitle it 'Alien: Prey' (I feel a fan fiction brewing 😂)
That actually sounds very cool
Look at that tie. 8)
Quote from: Master Chief on Jun 08, 2023, 04:12:49 PMLook at that tie. 8)
Proving this truly is a AVP forum! :)
Wow dead even on the votes!
Like human beings, predators have nukes.
Like human beings, Aliens have tiny inner mouths.
I like more Cosmic horror, mysterious threat that we don't completely Understand its reasons. That's why I prefer Aliens. For me, they are more interesting to discuss, still crowded with Mystery and more unnerving because of it. Predators as sentient beings are more understanable, They have different Culture, but it's still culture, some construct of order, we know their goals, and therefore they are less interesting for me. But they're cool :)
I like the perfect 50-50 here
Quote from: ralfy on Nov 20, 2022, 02:30:46 AMThe Predators as, like humans, they can develop technology to increase their abilities.
Any Predator, no matter how big and strong, isn't going to survive a facehugger. That's got to count for something.
Quote from: Huntsman on Feb 05, 2024, 12:26:19 PMQuote from: ralfy on Nov 20, 2022, 02:30:46 AMThe Predators as, like humans, they can develop technology to increase their abilities.
Any Predator, no matter how big and strong, isn't going to survive a facehugger. That's got to count for something.
Would the Predator Killer suit be able to resist one?
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 27, 2024, 02:18:04 PMQuote from: Huntsman on Feb 05, 2024, 12:26:19 PMQuote from: ralfy on Nov 20, 2022, 02:30:46 AMThe Predators as, like humans, they can develop technology to increase their abilities.
Any Predator, no matter how big and strong, isn't going to survive a facehugger. That's got to count for something.
Would the Predator Killer suit be able to resist one?
Do you know what the predator killer should've been?
Spoiler
Chris Hansen
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 27, 2024, 02:18:04 PMQuote from: Huntsman on Feb 05, 2024, 12:26:19 PMQuote from: ralfy on Nov 20, 2022, 02:30:46 AMThe Predators as, like humans, they can develop technology to increase their abilities.
Any Predator, no matter how big and strong, isn't going to survive a facehugger. That's got to count for something.
Would the Predator Killer suit be able to resist one?
If it's made out of the same metal that Wolf used to fight aliens, then yes.
Quote from: Wweyland on Mar 27, 2024, 02:18:04 PMQuote from: Huntsman on Feb 05, 2024, 12:26:19 PMQuote from: ralfy on Nov 20, 2022, 02:30:46 AMThe Predators as, like humans, they can develop technology to increase their abilities.
Any Predator, no matter how big and strong, isn't going to survive a facehugger. That's got to count for something.
Would the Predator Killer suit be able to resist one?
I think xenos would eventually stop one based on this:
According to audio logs produced by Sean Keyes, the armor was likely an early prototype, as it was shown to have several flaws, despite it's advanced hardware. Examples of this were that tests performed on the armor found it to be brittle, as well as vulnerable to small arms fire. The power source used in it was only good for a full 24 seconds before shutting down and attempts to fire the large plasmacasters caused the suit to overload.
Xenomorph. It is truly the most alien design ever concieved. The Predator looks like the concept imput: Rastafarian warrior. He's cool, don't get me wrong, but him hunting and skinning people never bothered me compared to the life cycle of the Xeno.
I guess we can be less bothered by a predator that seemingly hunts only dangerous prey. We cannot considerate ourselves dangerous enough on a daily basis to trigger a predator's hunting needs.