Get the details here:
https://www.ign.com/articles/alien-predator-marvel-comics-xenomorph-iron-man-avengers
Inevitability was inevitable. Oh, and in case anyone missed this in another thread...
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But before Dark Horse loses the license please, I'd love a TCF adaptation with art by Tristan Jones.
Is there any reason he can't draw for Marvel?
Marvel won't do adult stuff anymore. Their "mature" stuff hasn't stretched much beyond PG-13 in years. Marvel won't do Aliens. Dark Horse are publishing FROZEN, which seems a better fit for Marvel than anything, especially given how it resides in the House of Mouse. I'm more concerned about getting my PREDATOR story in before anything shifts...
So I guess we won't be seeing Tristan Jones working on any of the Marvel titles.
I should grab the hardcover of Dead Orbit before that goes out of print...
on one hand, i'm sad to see an end to dark horse's alien comics
on the other, it's exciting to see that disney has the series in mind, at least from an expanded universe perspective
Well this is terrible news, f*ck Disney
Just ruined my week :'( >:(
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 03:42:55 PM
on one hand, i'm sad to see an end to dark horse's alien comics
on the other, it's exciting to see that disney has the series in mind, at least from an expanded universe perspective
I don't think Disney handing the comics over to a company that doesn't do mature/adult comics is very exciting. More like depressing.
Well if it wasn't possible for me to wish the mouse die a quicker death it is now. Its a matter of morality for me, Marvel and Disney are just thieves who only care about money.
With Star Wars gone and Conan gone and Hellboy having ended as well, and now both Alien and Predator have been stolen away, what is left for Dark Horse now huh?
Damn so it is true >:( :'(
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 02, 2020, 03:45:42 PM
Well this is terrible news, f*ck Disney
Just ruined my week :'( >:(
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 03:42:55 PM
on one hand, i'm sad to see an end to dark horse's alien comics
on the other, it's exciting to see that disney has the series in mind, at least from an expanded universe perspective
I don't think Disney handing the comics over to a company that doesn't do mature/adult comics is very exciting. More like depressing.
How do we know they don't? Why would they bother with the license if they don't plan to do anything with it?
The end of Dark Horse's Aliens for good? Nooooooooooo
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 02, 2020, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 02, 2020, 03:45:42 PM
Well this is terrible news, f*ck Disney
Just ruined my week :'( >:(
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 03:42:55 PM
on one hand, i'm sad to see an end to dark horse's alien comics
on the other, it's exciting to see that disney has the series in mind, at least from an expanded universe perspective
I don't think Disney handing the comics over to a company that doesn't do mature/adult comics is very exciting. More like depressing.
How do we know they don't? Why would they bother with the license if they don't plan to do anything with it?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 02, 2020, 03:34:00 PM
Inevitability was inevitable. Oh, and in case anyone missed this in another thread...
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jun 10, 2019, 11:11:43 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 10, 2019, 01:33:44 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 06, 2019, 06:04:15 PM
But before Dark Horse loses the license please, I'd love a TCF adaptation with art by Tristan Jones.
Is there any reason he can't draw for Marvel?
Marvel won't do adult stuff anymore. Their "mature" stuff hasn't stretched much beyond PG-13 in years. Marvel won't do Aliens. Dark Horse are publishing FROZEN, which seems a better fit for Marvel than anything, especially given how it resides in the House of Mouse. I'm more concerned about getting my PREDATOR story in before anything shifts...
So I guess we won't be seeing Tristan Jones working on any of the Marvel titles.
If they do anything I feel it will be more sanitized than anything we are used to from Dark Horse. They could also be putting the EU on ice and wanted to just bring the rights back to a company they already own. But I am not knowledgeable about how licenses work in these situations.
Other than that I am loyal to DH and this move although not surprising still hurts.
Wow, talk about a seismic shift. 30 years of Dark Horse comics over, and likely to be retconned away forever like Marvel did with Star Wars. We'll never get that Life and Death sequel now. :'(
This sucks in a lot of ways. I am somewhat hopeful marvel will at least out out books regularly, and I'll reserve judgment on the quality until they do.
That being said, my feelings toward Dark Horse have somewhat soured given the stuff they've been in the news for recently. Marvel and DC are no better, for sure.
On one hand, this could go on a good way, Hunting Ground's expanded lore is the best we've gotten in a long time, specially since it does it's best to isolate the events in 2018
On the other, we could get more stupid stories that completely undermine the creatures, like the space orcs that eat Xenomorphs
So on the one hand I'm super disappointed about Dark Horse losing the license. It's just so hard to imagine an Alien or Predator comic series without that horse on it. Aside from the on-going Aliens arc, I thought they'd really been knocking it out the park with Alien and Predator lately.
But on the other hand, I'm glad Disney aren't forgetting Alien and Predator. But them both under Marvel is unchattered waters. Be interesting to see what they do come up with.
I just wish we knew where we stood on the remaining Dark Horse titles. We've got Predator: Hunters 3 and AvP: Thicker Than Blood which are only halfway through their runs. Both have trades on DH's website, but no further singles. Alien: Original Screenplay still has the first 2 issues on the website, and the Predator version is gone completely. If it's anything like the novel license, they should still get to finish publishing what they announced before their license expired.
End of an era, but we all knew it would be coming eventually.
I'm not sure how I feel about something like Iron Man Vs Predator or Guardians of the Galaxy vs Aliens but I guess we'll see how things go. Hopefully they do things similar to the way Dark Horse did and keep the cross overs minimal.
About the violence/gore worry; maybe these will fall under the MAX title so we can get more adult oriented content. The Punisher's max titles are always super violent (and tbh he's the only Marvel hero I'd want to see fight a Predator).
I guess it was bound to happen. They had it with DC crossovers too. So i wonder if Marvel will do any better. I'm sure it would be more impressive than Batman vs Predator or Aliens vs Wild C.a.t.s , those BTW exist already.
Hi. Yes ; Marvel and Disney .... That s it. The rest is crap ?
So sad Big compagnies ruling everything ??? F..k that. Remember the last Star Wars trilogy. A huge piece of shit. Remember the last , The Predator , the same crap .....do you like this life ? One restaurant , everywhere ... One compagny making movies , one company delivering stuff ?????? Everywhere .....
I'm sorry Dark horse. What a stupid world. Hey people Stop to buy their crap ......
Regards to the resistants
Also, note that it doesn't mention Alien vs. Predator. Wonder if they're abandoning the crossover.
Here it is with some slightly different wording on Marvel's official site:
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/marvel-comics-to-publish-new-alien-and-predator-stories
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 05:25:58 PM
Here it is with some slightly different wording on Marvel's official site:
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/marvel-comics-to-publish-new-alien-and-predator-stories
Looks like it'll be next year we see the Marvel stuff. Hopefully that means that Dark Horse has the license until the end of the year and can finish off what they've already got.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2020, 05:30:48 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 05:25:58 PM
Here it is with some slightly different wording on Marvel's official site:
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/marvel-comics-to-publish-new-alien-and-predator-stories
Looks like it'll be next year we see the Marvel stuff. Hopefully that means that Dark Horse has the license until the end of the year and can finish off what they've already got.
Yeah, that seems to be the case. COVID delays have obviously postponed some of the current stuff, but it should all still release before year's end from the looks of it.
I guess we're going to be getting more specific details on the Marvel titles and creative teams later this month at the SDCC@Home event.
Also of note:
QuoteDetails on upcoming ALIEN and PREDATOR comic book titles, collections, reprints, and creative teams will be shared at a later date.
Are they going to be reprinting Dark Horse's stuff? Have they done that with their old Star Wars titles?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2020, 05:36:38 PM
Also of note:
QuoteDetails on upcoming ALIEN and PREDATOR comic book titles, collections, reprints, and creative teams will be shared at a later date.
Are they going to be reprinting Dark Horse's stuff? Have they done that with their old Star Wars titles?
Yup, they reprint a lot of old Star Wars stuff under the "Legends" banner, with Marvel logos in place of the old Dark Horse ones.
(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/4/40/5727ad9819e81/clean.jpg)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2020, 05:36:38 PM
Also of note:
QuoteDetails on upcoming ALIEN and PREDATOR comic book titles, collections, reprints, and creative teams will be shared at a later date.
Are they going to be reprinting Dark Horse's stuff? Have they done that with their old Star Wars titles?
Yes.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2020, 05:25:14 PM
Also, note that it doesn't mention Alien vs. Predator. Wonder if they're abandoning the crossover.
Christ I hope not.
Is no one going to comment on how kick ass David Finch pencils both creatures.
I wonder what all of this means for the half-assed attempt at a continuity reboot over the last few years with Isolation, the Titan novels, and the recent Dark Horse comics?
Time for another, I guess.
Okay I was wrong and Finch's art looks great.
Still loyal to DH and sad to see them go.
Maybe they can reprint the books going for approximately $100 each. Those were done by Dark Horse weren't they?
I genuinely think the crossover's done, for a time anyway, as it's a Dark Horse invention.
Personally I have zero vested interest in the crossover, so I could care less if they never touch it again. I know a lot of people do like it, so for them I hope it continues to exist (preferably, only in the comic space), but I certainly won't miss it if that isn't the case.
The vader comics are fairly good. So ill hold oit hope for some good alien/predator stuff to come id only be worried about language, blood and gore being tonned down too much
Hmmm, I wonder if maybe now Prometheus/Covenant elements might enter the comic space in a larger capacity. That would be nice.
I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion, but I'd be totally OK if whatever comic continuity they establish isn't movie continuity at all. Get the most out of this creative freedom in a new medium without worrying about things connecting, getting contradicted, etc. Just let writers and artists tell stories in their own space.
Was there a downturn in quality of Star Wars comics when they switched to Marvel?
I'm pretty optimistic about this. I'm someone who thinks the Alien and Predator properties have been largely mishandled up to this point anyway, including by Dark Horse, regardless of how good some of the graphic novels have been. The recent Zula Hendricks/Amanda Ripley shenanigans were a total mess from a narrative standpoint. I'm fine starting with a clean slate.
It's exactly like before some good some bad, only instead of everything being canon, nothing's canon.
https://www.facebook.com/darkhorsecomics/posts/10158564896059791
I'm very happy that Marvel took over the Alien comics, Alien Universe will reborn soon, very thanks for Ridley Scott. I know "that thing" is coming soon. Dark Horse's Alien comics was almost always the garbages, I won't miss them. Fox and Dark Horse's AVPCU will burn to ash.
This makes me nervous.
Has Marvel even done any hard violent stuff since Disney bought them?
Nothing I'm aware of.
Not to mention that not all comics prior to this are so masterful.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 02, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
Not to mention that not all comics prior to this are so masterful.
To be honest, there's been
much more bad than good.
Unpopular opinion, but of the limited stuff I've read, my favorite comic of Dark Horse's entire run has probably been
Inhuman Condition.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 02, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
Not to mention that not all comics prior to this are so masterful.
To be honest, there's been much more bad than good.
Unpopular opinion, but of the limited stuff I've read, my favorite comic of Dark Horse's entire run has probably been Inhuman Condition.
Have you read Labyrinth
Quote from: Hudson on Jul 02, 2020, 06:07:06 PM
Was there a downturn in quality of Star Wars comics when they switched to Marvel?
I'm pretty optimistic about this. I'm someone who thinks the Alien and Predator properties have been largely mishandled up to this point anyway, including by Dark Horse, regardless of how good some of the graphic novels have been. The recent Zula Hendricks/Amanda Ripley shenanigans were a total mess from a narrative standpoint. I'm fine starting with a clean slate.
Some comics are great, some are okay, it's not like the old SW(and AvP for that matter too) comics were perfect, they were pretty messy at times, and some were really dumb, this applying to both SW and AvP, specially stuff like Aliens: Reapers and the like
Frankly, if this is leading to yet another EU reboot, I hope it only keeps the first 2 Aliens as canon(and Alien isolation of course, that game is a masterpiece), and all Pred movies(only keeping 2018 because it's fixed by Hunting Grounds)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm loving this. I've always wanted to see these characters mix it with the Marvel pack.
Wolverine vs Predator
Daredevil vs Predator
Punisher vs Predator
X men vs Aliens
Avengers vs Aliens
Fantastic 4 vs Aliens
These 'One Offs' would be wicked .... OR are we to see a BIGGER picture from these properties? the MCU?? lol! To much for now, lets just bring out the comics and then we can get the movies started.
Sorry guys haven't got time to sign in, just a quick one, I'm truly gutted this has happened. What ever happened to fair competition? Disney just seem to be quite literally swallowing everything up now to the point its leaving rivals with scraps. That's not fair competition.
I feel really sorry for dark horse right now. I'd imagine they didn't have a choice over the takeover either considering Disney own the franchises and also own marvel. Poor guys, must feel like they have had their bread and butter stolen.
They have been the soul of the lore for a long time and added so much that we all take as gospel in terms of lore.
As for alien and predator now being a marvel comic I imagine the max label is the way to go. Although at this point I wouldn't put anything past marvel or Disney. I'm so worried about the direction both franchises are going in now. Who knows maybe they will make great films and comics, but I can guarantee the violence and profanity will be toned down to maximise its audience.
If this all becomes children friendly then I think I'll swallow and stop following the franchises for good and accept that they are now dead.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 02, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 02, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
Not to mention that not all comics prior to this are so masterful.
To be honest, there's been much more bad than good.
Unpopular opinion, but of the limited stuff I've read, my favorite comic of Dark Horse's entire run has probably been Inhuman Condition.
Have you read Labyrinth
I have not, but I keep having that one get recommended to me so I'm definitely going to give it a go.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 06:42:54 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 02, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 02, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
Not to mention that not all comics prior to this are so masterful.
To be honest, there's been much more bad than good.
Unpopular opinion, but of the limited stuff I've read, my favorite comic of Dark Horse's entire run has probably been Inhuman Condition.
Have you read Labyrinth
I have not, but I keep having that one get recommended to me so I'm definitely going to give it a go.
You really should, it's excellent.
I'm not saying Inhuman Condition is bad, but you can do a lot better.
The other ones I recall really enjoying are The Illustrated Story, Dead Orbit, Sacrifice, and Salvation. Genocide definitely seems like one that I would be all over.
I am a huge fan of the medium. Huge. Alien and Predator belong at Darkhorse, one of there tentpoles from the beginning. I've been dreading this news since the acquisition. Marvel is not a good fit but it's still too early too tell. Their "take" on Conan and Star Wars has been sub par compared to Darkhorse. Here's hoping tho, "Building Better Worlds"
Thank you Dark Horse for the good Alien stories over the years such as Glass Corridor, Sacrifice, Salvation, Survival, Inhuman Condition, Labyrinth, Wraith, Alchemy, Dust To Dust and above all the rest Dead Orbit.
And, the absolute best comic, Aliens: Lovesick. :D
Concerning continuity I think it's best to stay with the continuity I outlined above.
Let's recognise the truth here. It was all about the Mondo series.
And here I was thinking that what we all wanted was the last two missing issues of Colonial Marines...
I'll never understand the love for Dead Orbit, the first half sucks and the second half is only passable.
Also, "HGK! HGK! HGK! HGK!"
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jul 02, 2020, 07:03:15 PM
Ur taste sucs m8
I've got to agree with the Fiendishly Inventive black goo here. Dead Orbit was fantastic. Doesn't need dialogue to be good!
Story wise Dead Orbit is whatever, it is a pretty standard Alien-on-a-ship comic. I just absolutely love Stokoe's art.
sounds like it's time for tristan jones to make some friends at marvel
I want to say only one thing - art is unbelievable great! Especially Alien - such incredible detail. I look forward to a full-fledged comic strip.
Quote from: ELDERthePREDATOR on Jul 02, 2020, 06:37:15 PM
Who knows maybe they will make great films and comics, but I can guarantee the violence and profanity will be toned down to maximise its audience.
If this all becomes children friendly then I think I'll swallow and stop following the franchises for good and accept that they are now dead.
Given how f**k-awful the past few years have been I can almost guarantee that is what is going to happen, we are entering a new Gilded Age.
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 07:13:53 PM
sounds like it's time for tristan jones to make some friends at marvel
Preferably with a good writer this time around. Or, even better, with him as the writer.
I adored his art in
Defiance but that was really all I cared for in the run.
What about books? Will the Titan continue to create them or will the books also go to Disney's in-house studio?
Quote from: Drukathi on Jul 02, 2020, 07:52:29 PM
What about books? Will the Titan continue to create them or will the books also go to Disney's in-house studio?
Disney uses a bunch of various partners for Star Wars books, including Titan for some things, I believe, so I'm sure the novels are safe at their current home.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 07:05:43 PM
Story wise Dead Orbit is whatever, it is a pretty standard Alien-on-a-ship comic. I just absolutely love Stokoe's art.
Given your pedigree in the comic art, I'll assume you like Tristan Jones art as well.
First off:
We all knew this was coming.
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But still.....
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The dagger is in my heart. The best Predator comic series ever... Chris Warner's
Predator: Hunters will end after Volume Three. We won't get subsequent stories focused on the rest of the team. Likely ever.
Damn it. Add the likelihood of the
Predator: The Original Screenplay being nixed thanks to covid-19 and my Predator soul just hurts. #FU2020
(https://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/predator-the-original-screenplay-cover-art.jpg)
I guess the silver lining here is Marvel will give us
Aliens Vs Predator Comics too:
- "Today, Marvel Entertainment announced three iconic franchises – ALIEN, PREDATOR, and ALIEN VS. PREDATOR – will be launching all-new stories with Marvel Comics starting in 2021!"
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/marvel-comics-to-publish-new-alien-and-predator-stories
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 07:05:43 PM
Story wise Dead Orbit is whatever, it is a pretty standard Alien-on-a-ship comic. I just absolutely love Stokoe's art.
Given your pedigree in the comic art, I'll assume you like Tristan Jones art as well.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 07:49:25 PM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 07:13:53 PM
sounds like it's time for tristan jones to make some friends at marvel
Preferably with a good writer this time around. Or, even better, with him as the writer.
I adored his art in Defiance but that was really all I cared for in the run.
:-*
https://twitter.com/brian_thies_art/status/1278774983389405184?s=19
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2020, 08:15:32 PM
https://twitter.com/brian_thies_art/status/1278774983389405184?s=19
Ugh. It's killing me. :'(
:o shocked yet not surprised! I'll hold out judgement until the first series comes out but the quick snippet of art is absolutely gorgeous. I do suspect we'll see some superhero crossovers as they always sell well. Hats off to Dark Horse for bringing us countless stories over the decades, the universe wouldn't be near as expansive as it is today without them!
Heard about this earlier. Doesn't fill me with confidence, gotta be honest.
Food for thought guys, now Marvel own alien, predator and AvP. One can't help but be worried about where this might leave Neca toys going forward. I'm really worried they are going to lose their licence, considering marvel have marvel legends and own Toy Biz. Would be a real kick in the teeth for neca considering all the great things they have been doing recently and predator being their longest running line of figures.
What's everyone's opinions here? Should we be worried or am I reading too much into it?
Edit.. toy biz doesn't exist anymore I forgot that. But still you get my point.
f**k
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 06:55:43 PM
And, the absolute best comic, Aliens: Lovesick. :D
God, I still can't stomache that one
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 07:49:25 PM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 07:13:53 PM
sounds like it's time for tristan jones to make some friends at marvel
Preferably with a good writer this time around. Or, even better, with him as the writer.
I adored his art in Defiance but that was really all I cared for in the run.
he teased a project he pitched two years ago that would have been an alien: isolation sequel which "was meant to be amanda ripley after crashing a ship somewhere on lv426, discovering an ancient engineer facility or temple ruins"
(https://i.imgur.com/BqLkoyL.png)
obviously never came to fruition, probably because of the plans fox had for amanda at the time, but it would have been glorious to see
Honestly such a pity.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 06:18:15 PM
Unpopular opinion, but of the limited stuff I've read, my favorite comic of Dark Horse's entire run has probably been Inhuman Condition.
Sacrifice still holds the place of favourite Alien comic for me but I 'm so glad when Inhuman Condition gets some recognition. It's story was f**ked up. But in a good, Alien way f**ked up
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 09:16:29 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 07:49:25 PM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 07:13:53 PM
sounds like it's time for tristan jones to make some friends at marvel
Preferably with a good writer this time around. Or, even better, with him as the writer.
I adored his art in Defiance but that was really all I cared for in the run.
he teased a project he pitched two years ago that would have been an alien: isolation sequel which "was meant to be amanda ripley after crashing a ship somewhere on lv426, discovering an ancient engineer facility or temple ruins"
(https://i.imgur.com/BqLkoyL.png)
obviously never came to fruition, probably because of the plans fox had for amanda at the time, but it would have been glorious to see
Idk about that. As for me, Engineers and Amanda Ripley does not sound as "hell yeah!" combination
Didn't Jones also have another idea for an alternate Alien sequel, using only the prequels, the original film, and Isolation as canon? Or is that the same project?
I feel like comics might also be a good medium, with the right creative team, to do a Shaw and Davd story set between Prometheus and Covenant.
Oh, Jesus. These are going to suck just like everything coming out of the Big Two. Its not just the capeshit either, everything Marvel is putting out is ass. Their Conan comic is like thumbscrews. Not that the smaller companies have been putting out gold either, but still at least DH was the Devil we knew.
And no, I don't care that this means we'll get to see Aliens vs Avengers or Predator vs X-Men. Because they're going to suck, with awful artwork and worse writing.
Yes he did indeed.
i'm cautious, like many, whether we'll be able to keep the dark tone and graphics we've enjoyed at dark horse, but i am rather excited at the talent marvel can pool from. even though i've been out of the loop with marvel comics for a long time, i'm a big fan of some of their more stylized artists: chris bachalo (who coincidentally did the artwork for aliens: infestation) and filipe andrade
overall though, despite feeling bummed because of my dark horse fondess, i'm trying to be optimistic, hoping for a future where marvel thinks they can make something of these series we love. makes me wonder if we can expect other news in 2021, besides marvel's first alien/predator runs
Dark Horse did some great stuff. And some - to be kind - mediocre stuff. The change to Marvel depends on the writers and artists they hire.
I'll drink to that.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 09:33:28 PM
I feel like comics might also be a good medium, with the right creative team, to do a Shaw and Davd story set between Prometheus and Covenant.
Top tier idea. I wanted
"Alien Covenant - Origins" to be that story. And given I am a graphic guy, even better if it is in comic book form. 8)
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 10:02:14 PM
i'm cautious, like many, whether we'll be able to keep the dark tone and graphics we've enjoyed at dark horse, but i am rather excited at the talent marvel can pool from. even though i've been out of the loop with marvel comics for a long time, i'm a big fan of some of their more stylized artists: chris bachalo (who coincidentally did the artwork for aliens: infestation) and filipe andrade
overall though, despite feeling bummed because of my dark horse fondess, i'm trying to be optimistic, hoping for a future where marvel thinks they can make something of these series we love. makes me wonder if we can expect other news in 2021, besides marvel's first alien/predator runs
Optimism is all we got baby! :) Sure this one stings, and I thought DH might have it until 2022, but here's to hoping for the best!
What I'm really curious about is where they take Alien and AvP. Predator vesus superhero take-your-pick was the only approach obvious to me.
waiting for that "predator vs howard the duck" crossover :P
:laugh:
Well we did get Archie vs Predator.
I'm so sad about this. Absolutely loved what Dark Horse was doing, expecting to hear that Disney has scrapped it all.
So can Dark Horse still reprint their old series then? I'm curious to know what this means for the future of "The Essential Collections" they were doing.
No I don't believe DH will be able to reprint their old stuff. They can't reprint their old SW stuff.
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2020, 10:46:05 PM
No I don't believe DH will be able to reprint their old stuff. They can't reprint their old SW stuff.
Crap! I missed out on Aliens Omnibus 4 and was hoping to get those stories in a future Essentials Collection.
It actually really hurts, I was dreading this happening but I didn't realize how upset it would make me. Doesn't matter who the license went to either. I haven't read comics since I was a kid and even then I wasn't really into them that much.
Except Dark Horse Alien/Predator/AvP comics. I can't even articulate how special they were to me. I loved the films from a really young age, they are among some of my first memories actually, at least Aliens. When I discovered Alien comics that was it, in love. I know that all sounds dumb but it's true.
Quote from: T Dog on Jul 02, 2020, 10:39:57 PM
So can Dark Horse still reprint their old series then? I'm curious to know what this means for the future of "The Essential Collections" they were doing.
Marvel stated in the press release on their site that they will have more announcements regarding the future (including reprints) at the SDCC @ Home event later this month. I'm guessing it will be a similar situation as it is with Star Wars, where Marvel absorbs all of the previous material and can reprint old Dark Horse stuff as their own will, now with a Marvel label. I think a lot of the old Dark Horse Star Wars "Legends" stuff has been reprinted as part of Marvel's Epic series, and I wouldn't be shocked at all if that's where old Alien/Predator stuff lands too.
If I read comics, I expect I'd be upset by this.
I'll try to stay optimistic about the movies.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 02, 2020, 11:11:21 PM
If I read comics, I expect I'd be upset by this.
I'll try to stay optimistic about the movies.
Would you embrace a cinematic universe? or just good Alien / Predator movies?
My mind's open. Nothing could ever be worse than The Predator.
I mean, surely that's not possible?
At the end of the day I'm just excited that we're still going to be getting new stories under the Disney umbrella.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jul 02, 2020, 05:16:01 PM
End of an era, but we all knew it would be coming eventually.
I'm not sure how I feel about something like Iron Man Vs Predator or Guardians of the Galaxy vs Aliens but I guess we'll see how things go. Hopefully they do things similar to the way Dark Horse did and keep the cross overs minimal.
About the violence/gore worry; maybe these will fall under the MAX title so we can get more adult oriented content. The Punisher's max titles are always super violent (and tbh he's the only Marvel hero I'd want to see fight a Predator).
Why do I feel like the McKenna wearing Predator Killer and Tony Stark wearing Iron Man suit will be involved in a Iron Man vs Predator story fighting off a Predator invasion?
On a serious take though, in one way I don't think it is exactly going to be all terrible. f**k maybe some naive hope in me believes that Alien and Predator will be part of the mainstream view and draw forth a new age of possibilities with new blood entering into the fandom but at the same time with how Marvel is doing with comics these days...... :-\
As for them not going Mature....idk has anyone seen Deadpool lately? Like Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe? Or that one comic where Sandman kills Spider-Man via just bursting his stomach full of sand? They can go super dark if they want so that was never the issue for me.
Oh and writing/lore consistency though......oh f**k :(
I'm interested how they're going to handle the lore.
For Predator I'm not worried about the tone or violence. Having Iron man dead on the announcement image is about as good as I needed. This is the same company that puts out Immortal Hulk so I'm not worried about the level of violence. If you're going to go hard with it, this is fine. But the lore is what's got me worried because Hunting Grounds finally got us back on track and it'd be an absolute shame to see that all go out the window. Hunters also had a lot of good lore through prior stories being brought back into the fold so what ever the Marvel era brings it's not as hard to stick the landing as Star Wars, but the writers do have to be on their A game because this will set the scene for everything that comes next. That being said I'm confident they'll do the right thing and stick someone like Hickman or Ewing on it.
Essentially first impressions are going to be really important come next year because we're about to see a lot of new faces to the franchise. For better or worse we're going to see the Disney era enter full swing. Hunting Grounds is a great first impression, but the comics will be where things really pick up.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 02, 2020, 11:19:46 PM
My mind's open. Nothing could ever be worse than The Predator.
I mean, surely that's not possible?
I know I say this every 11 years, but no. Nothing can be worse than The Predator. Hopefully :-X
Neca guys, surely this takeover complicates it for them?
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 02, 2020, 10:56:33 PM
It actually really hurts, I was dreading this happening but I didn't realize how upset it would make me. Doesn't matter who the license went to either. I haven't read comics since I was a kid and even then I wasn't really into them that much.
Except Dark Horse Alien/Predator/AvP comics. I can't even articulate how special they were to me. I loved the films from a really young age, they are among some of my first memories actually, at least Aliens. When I discovered Alien comics that was it, in love. I know that all sounds dumb but it's true.
It doesn't sound dumb brother. Dark Horse's work within these franchises have been a fixture in our lives pushing 35 years. It truly is an end of an era... and it's hard not to feel emotional about it.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 02, 2020, 11:38:29 PM
Neca guys, surely this takeover complicates it for them?
I don't know why it would. This would affect Darkhorse but I don't see how or why it would affect Neca who does the toys. They might stop putting bios on the back of the Predator toys but I don't see how this would affect production.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 02, 2020, 11:28:49 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 02, 2020, 11:19:46 PM
My mind's open. Nothing could ever be worse than The Predator.
I mean, surely that's not possible?
I know I say this every 11 years, but no. Nothing can be worse than The Predator. Hopefully :-X
Tony Stark Iron Man and McKenna Predator Killer vs Predator Invasion. :laugh:
With Iron Man dead in the Cinematic Universe, thankfully we can avert that in cinema.
But damm holy shit let me bring back an oldie clip from years go, Predator vs Wolverine, who knew that this can actually be a possible thing?
In all honestly though, this road is shrouded in demoralizing unknowns and I have no idea where it will take us but I do hope it might be something good for us all.
Thank You Dark Horse
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jul 02, 2020, 11:40:26 PM
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 02, 2020, 11:38:29 PM
Neca guys, surely this takeover complicates it for them?
I don't know why it would. This would affect Darkhorse but I don't see how or why it would affect Neca who does the toys. They might stop putting bios on the back of the Predator toys but I don't see how this would affect production.
The only thing I can imagine it affecting on Neca's end is the Kenner remakes, since those ship with reprints of the Dark Horse-labeled mini comics, don't they?
Super Power Smackdown is cool, and the W vs P edition is a lot of fun! I was thinking of that, and thanks to Mr. Turok for posting the link.
The best DH Alien and Predator stuff was wonderful! Thanks to them for doing that.
I've read a fair amount of new Marvel Star Wars. There is a lot of love for the characters and the lore in the writing and the artwork. I think a lot of hard work goes into those books. They're not phoning it in. If that spirit carries over to new Alien and Predator comics, everything should be fine. I hope for the best and look forward to seeing what they do.
Just reread Marvel's press release (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/marvel-comics-to-publish-new-alien-and-predator-stories) and missed the first time around that the Alien piece is actually being referred to a cover. The Predator one, on the other hand, is just a teaser. So I guess, whatever the initial Alien comic run is, that's the cover for issue 1? If that's reflective of the interior artwork, then I guess the first run will have a proper "Big Chap" right off the bat, which is interesting.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jul 02, 2020, 11:41:09 PM
But damm holy shit let me bring back an oldie clip from years go, Predator vs Wolverine, who knew that this can actually be a possible thing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3wDj7bYve0
It would be something, wouldn't it.
QuoteIn all honestly though, this road is shrouded in demoralizing unknowns and I have no idea where it will take us but I do hope it might be something good for us all.
Hear! Hear!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 11:44:15 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jul 02, 2020, 11:40:26 PM
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 02, 2020, 11:38:29 PM
Neca guys, surely this takeover complicates it for them?
I don't know why it would. This would affect Darkhorse but I don't see how or why it would affect Neca who does the toys. They might stop putting bios on the back of the Predator toys but I don't see how this would affect production.
The only thing I can imagine it affecting on Neca's end is the Kenner remakes, since those ship with reprints of the Dark Horse-labeled mini comics, don't they?
The question is will Marvel want to stick with Neca, or do they have closer relationships with other toy companies that will supercede.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 02, 2020, 11:58:16 PM
The question is will Marvel want to stick with Neca, or do they have closer relationships with other toy companies that will supercede.
I think that's more of a Disney/20th Century Studios decision than it is a Marvel one.
Marvel goes through Hasbro which is outside Predator's demographic. I just don't know why Marvel or Disney would change things like that. Comics it's understandable given Disney has it's own comic company. But I just don't see them doing anything to Neca.
Wow. Truly the end of an era for sure. I'll play the wait and see approach to Marvel's take on all three series.
Still. I'm gonna miss seeing that black horse head in the corner. :'(
@Voodoo magic. Spot on bro. That's exactly what I meant.
To everyone else I disagree, neca have made very limited marvel licensed marvel figures. But it's very few and far between. Which would indicate that neca have a hard time getting licenses from marvel. Now my point here is marvel have a very good relationship with hasbro currently.
Their marvel legends line is pretty much about making figures from marvel comics. Seeing as AvP is now a marvel print. I don't think it's totally out of the question that marvel would want to bring them to marvel legends in some form. Whilst I'm not saying this will be immediate, I wouldn't completely rule that out. Especially when theirs lots of money to be made.
Sorry for the dodgy grammar by the way it's really late right now and I'm super tired haha 😂
I don't see it right now but maybe. The issue for me is that demographics and scaling of figures is certainly off. But man I don't know..., I actually can kind of see that. Like if Hasbro ends up doing a Predator run it would be kind of surreal.
That being said a video-game just came out (and I presume did well), the comics shifted over to Marvel, but if a toy-line came out from Hasbro I'd be almost convinced another movie was in production or Predator will cameo in something.
Quote from: T Dog on Jul 02, 2020, 10:54:04 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2020, 10:46:05 PM
No I don't believe DH will be able to reprint their old stuff. They can't reprint their old SW stuff.
Crap! I missed out on Aliens Omnibus 4 and was hoping to get those stories in a future Essentials Collection.
I've been meaning to buy digital versions of the Omnibuses for a while. For the some reason the prices vary wildly from volume to volume.
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1278847780610379776
@ SuperiorIronman
Yeah it definitely won't happen this year. But I think if the AvP line does well and becomes a big hit for marvel. They almost certainly will want to capitalise on that success in the form of figures. Let's not forget that there's serious money involved when it comes to predator figures. They sell extremely well. And if the comics were doing well for marvel, it makes total sense that they would want to include them in their own line of figures.
I personally however really hope that doesn't happen. One because the quality of the figures will not be what neca can deliver on. And secondly I think it would be a great shame for neca seeing as predator is it's oldest running line of figures since the company was founded.
Even if Hasbro makes Alien toys for kids (twose already exists though, isn't it?), no one forces me to buy them. I can't be hyperbolic about it. But I empathize with the odd feeling. :laugh:
I'm glad I have just about every release from Dark Horse, if they're going to get more rare I better get moving on the last of the stuff
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 12:31:52 AM
@ SuperiorIronman
Yeah it definitely won't happen this year. But I think if the AvP line does well and becomes a big hit for marvel. They almost certainly will want to capitalise on that success in the form of figures. Let's not forget that there's serious money involved when it comes to predator figures. They sell extremely well. And if the comics were doing well for marvel, it makes total sense that they would want to include them in their own line of figures.
I personally however really hope that doesn't happen. One because the quality of the figures will not be what neca can deliver on. And secondly I think it would be a great shame for neca seeing as predator is it's oldest running line of figures since the company was founded.
What seems more likely to me is that if Hasbro got the license they're likely not doing figures. Demographics and scale are way off and parents will run into a fit if the kids stab themselves on something pointy, something that Predators are equipped with by default. I know Hasbro has a few pointy items (Star Wars toys certainly do) but with Predator it's on a different level. What I can see them doing though is producing items based around the films much in the same way they do the Black Series helmets for Star Wars.
That's really where Neca doesn't have anything going for them and the higher end items from Hot Toys cost out the nose. So what I can see happening is them producing helmets or gauntlets for the older collector who can drop around 100 dollars. Something like a Predator helmet that has light-up tri-lasers and eyes, or something like a silly string shooter that looks like the net-gun. I don't see figures necessarily but if Hasbro does anything I'd almost expect them to do that.
@SuperiorIronman
Very plausible bro.
Especially the Star Wars black line example you made.
We will have to see. But if I was Neca Toys right now I'd be very nervous indeed about the future.
Absolutely gutted by the news :-[ . For perspective: I was a huge Star Wars comic book fan back when Dark Horse held the license thanks to the fantastic quality of their Star Wars stories. I was disappointed, yet cautiously optimistic, when Marvel took over the Star Wars license. I am sad to say that 95% or more of the Marvel Star Wars comics are bland at best, and pale in comparison to what Dark Horse did. Based on this experience I have very little faith that the Alien and Predator comics by Marvel will be any good. Sure, not everything Dark Horse published was great, but I won't hold my breath to see Marvel achieve something as good as Dark Horse.
I hate that I have to say goodbye to Dark Horse for the second time in 6 years (the first being in 2014 when they lost Star Wars)... Thank you Dark Horse for the great Alien comics you published. I will always cherish your contributions to the wonderful universe of the Alien franchise.
Quote from: ZoomersLivinLarge on Jul 02, 2020, 09:35:52 PM
Oh, Jesus. These are going to suck just like everything coming out of the Big Two. Its not just the capeshit either, everything Marvel is putting out is ass. Their Conan comic is like thumbscrews. Not that the smaller companies have been putting out gold either, but still at least DH was the Devil we knew.
And no, I don't care that this means we'll get to see Aliens vs Avengers or Predator vs X-Men. Because they're going to suck, with awful artwork and worse writing.
The end of an era. I know. I know, and it sucks. Because duh! Everything is so mainstream now, and everyone has easy access to their favorite diversions / obsessions. :)
I enjoy stuff for the sake of nostalgia as well. However, the funny thing about "good old days" thinking, is the notable habit of remembering only the positive aspects of times past while sweeping concomitant negatives under the rug. :laugh:
@ Immortan Jonesy
Absolutely right, there's always this tendency to view the past with rose tinted spectacles and be filled up with nostalgia.
It's like music, people talk about 60s and 70s being the defining eras of pop music. They always forget how much god awful music was also around at that time too. People only remember the bits that suit them. I believe the term is confirmation bias.
So after I read this in the Marvel website:
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"Alien and Predator are the two of the most identifiable, iconic characters of all time, and I love them for that," said Finch. "But mostly, it's being fortunate enough to be a kid when they were new. I've seen every movie they've ever been in, and I cannot wait to see them wreaking havoc in the Marvel Universe. I drew my pictures of them with a massive smile on my face."
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/marvel-comics-to-publish-new-alien-and-predator-stories (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/marvel-comics-to-publish-new-alien-and-predator-stories)
So that means Alien and Predator will be canon in the Marvel Universe then huh? If that is the case than will they make their own unique continuity? Combine both Marvel and Alien/Predator movie continuity? The characters from Dark Horse will be forgotten for new ones? How will Ripley, Dutch, Amanda and everyone else will fit in this?
Not really a surprise or a shock imo.
DH Aliens comics were one of the few things I ever "collected" as a kid, as I own every single issue of the series, some in multiple forms and collections. But lets not pretend that lots of early Aliens stuff was a) more than pg13 and b) any good. Plenty of trash tales in the series and revisionist glasses do make things look better.
I remember several posters that have posted in this thread trashing the dh series five or six years ago.
You will get more of the same and you will get them with more frequency and more consistently good, if formulatic tales.
If they can't make any money off of it, then it will go somewhere else. I don't see most Marvelites wanting the Aliens series because they can't argue over which alien has god tier abilities and which one doesnt.
I'm suspecting Marvel is wanting to try their hand at more mature writing sometime soonish anyways, as they have collected too many titles with R rating (including reacquiring their own netflix series) to not test the waters in that regard.
But whatever, the house of Mouse strikes again, we will have to see if Punisher vs the Aliens is any good or not.
Tristian should just basically take what he loves about the Alien, make a knockoff creature, and write (or colab) his own storyline taking his maybe aliens in the direction he wants them to go in. I'm sure DH would love to have something to fill the void.
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 07:13:53 PM
sounds like it's time for tristan jones to make some friends at marvel
Easier said than done, especially from Australia... :/
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 07:49:25 PM
Preferably with a good writer this time around. Or, even better, with him as the writer.
I adored his art in Defiance but that was really all I cared for in the run.
Thank you! And the only writer I work with these days is me. Might work against me, but I spent 4 years on the TMNT doing story, so I know I can do both.
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 09:16:29 PM
he teased a project he pitched two years ago that would have been an alien: isolation sequel which "was meant to be amanda ripley after crashing a ship somewhere on lv426, discovering an ancient engineer facility or temple ruins"
(https://i.imgur.com/BqLkoyL.png)
obviously never came to fruition, probably because of the plans fox had for amanda at the time, but it would have been glorious to see
I was actually deliberately sitting on this until I knew where Ridley's last film was going. I can't say I'm surprised the license went to Marvel. Spencer did give me the heads up it would probably happen. I'm just a bit gutted about the Predator one because I was invited to do that but likewise sat on that until things at home cleared up a bit. But who knows. I don't know the editor at all, but maybe some where down the line I'll be able to do both.
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2020, 10:19:17 PM
Dark Horse did some great stuff. And some - to be kind - mediocre stuff. The change to Marvel depends on the writers and artists they hire.
This. It also depends on how they decide to tell stories -- the Star Wars model seems fraught to me.
I guess if anything it means Marvel will reprint everything again in the big COMPLETE EDITIONS they've been doing with Conan.
@ tyrannosaurusjones
Gutted for you bud I really am.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 02:17:18 AM
@ tyrannosaurusjones
Gutted for you bud I really am.
Me too
its fitting that its announced in 2020 I guess
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jul 03, 2020, 02:12:42 AM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 07:13:53 PM
sounds like it's time for tristan jones to make some friends at marvel
Easier said than done, especially from Australia... :/
send the marvel editors some vegemite!
@ j0nesy
Only if they can name what all of Aussie slang means!! Saying that they have Chris Hemsworth! I'm sure they will be fine! Haha 😂
haha
@ tyrannosaurusjones
i think i remember you mentioning that you were doing some art for cold iron studios, are you still working on that? has the series moving from fox to disney affected that?
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jul 03, 2020, 02:12:42 AM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 07:13:53 PM
sounds like it's time for tristan jones to make some friends at marvel
Easier said than done, especially from Australia... :/
Just wait for them to start filming Marvel movies back up here on the Gold Coast and sneak in. I'm sure Taika will be back, he seems like an approachable dude. ;D
I mean sure it's the film department, but it's better than nothing.
It'll be interesting to see what direction they take with the lore in the comics regarding the Engineers and David. That may be an indicator of their future intentions with the movie series.
Whaaaat!!!????
Ok. I guess. Let's see where this goes.
I really hope we get that Alien alt script done..
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2020, 02:55:10 AM
It'll be interesting to see what direction they take with the lore in the comics regarding the Engineers and David. That may an indicator of their future intentions with the movie series.
I wonder whether they are going to retcon or being faithful to such part of the lore.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jul 03, 2020, 01:50:44 AM
So after I read this in the Marvel website:
Quote
"Alien and Predator are the two of the most identifiable, iconic characters of all time, and I love them for that," said Finch. "But mostly, it's being fortunate enough to be a kid when they were new. I've seen every movie they've ever been in, and I cannot wait to see them wreaking havoc in the Marvel Universe. I drew my pictures of them with a massive smile on my face."
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/marvel-comics-to-publish-new-alien-and-predator-stories (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/marvel-comics-to-publish-new-alien-and-predator-stories)
So that means Alien and Predator will be canon in the Marvel Universe then huh? If that is the case than will they make their own unique continuity? Combine both Marvel and Alien/Predator movie continuity? The characters from Dark Horse will be forgotten for new ones? How will Ripley, Dutch, Amanda and everyone else will fit in this?
I don't know, I think it's too soon to have a clear idea. :-\
I can see something like that happening with the AVP concept though. :-X
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jul 03, 2020, 02:12:42 AM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 09:16:29 PM
he teased a project he pitched two years ago that would have been an alien: isolation sequel which "was meant to be amanda ripley after crashing a ship somewhere on lv426, discovering an ancient engineer facility or temple ruins"
(https://i.imgur.com/BqLkoyL.png)
obviously never came to fruition, probably because of the plans fox had for amanda at the time, but it would have been glorious to see
I was actually deliberately sitting on this until I knew where Ridley's last film was going. I can't say I'm surprised the license went to Marvel. Spencer did give me the heads up it would probably happen. I'm just a bit gutted about the Predator one because I was invited to do that but likewise sat on that until things at home cleared up a bit. But who knows. I don't know the editor at all, but maybe some where down the line I'll be able to do both.
Stunning design. I think you are great in both; keeping Scott's direction as you pay a nice tribute to Giger. Both are solid references
(https://i.imgur.com/22pRuMV.jpg)
I'd love to see more of the Engineers drawn by you on future projects. 8)
This is going to be a disaster. Marvel Comics are a complete shitshow, hiring employees based on their minority status and not their talent, lagging sales, politics inejcting themselves into the stories, and creators attacking the fans. RIP AvP comics.
Yeah cos a sci-fi series about the horrors of unregulated corporate greed was never political.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2020, 02:55:10 AM
It'll be interesting to see what direction they take with the lore in the comics regarding the Engineers and David. That may be an indicator of their future intentions with the movie series.
David actually fits in with EU better than films imo. He gives you an antagonist who is genius level, physically better than human, and insane and a controlling force for the Aliumz.
That said, whether he is good enough for Marvel remains to be seen.
Quote from: dragonthingy on Jul 03, 2020, 03:13:15 AM
This is going to be a disaster. Marvel Comics are a complete shitshow, hiring employees based on their minority status and not their talent, lagging sales, politics inejcting themselves into the stories, and creators attacking the fans. RIP AvP comics.
Marvel comics have almost always been political.
Mr H is as upset as Corporal Hicks on a bad car day...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2020, 03:21:56 AM
Mr H is as upset as Corporal Hicks on a bad car day... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofm08_lNOtY
Yeah he went pretty negative on the news. I'm trying to keep an open mind myself, but it is way sad to see Dark Horse's stewardship coming to a close after so long.
I'm very happy that Marvel took over the Alien comics, Alien Universe will reborn soon, very thanks for Ridley Scott. I known what Sir Ridley Scott wants to do, is coming soon. Dark Horse's Alien comics was almost always the garbages, I won't miss them. Can't wait to see Marvel's Alien comics, I hope they can do it well.
@ Kimarhi
Right on! Of course marvel have always been political long before Disney shown up. Just look a captain America for Christ sake.
Secondly @ SiL
You're right on the money as well. Also got me thinking that statement about corporate greed. It's kind of ironic Disney own the franchise considering they are essentially doing the same thing. Only it's in the world of entertainment rather than space.
I remember as a kid that they used to break apart monopolies.
I'm not sure how it affects entertainment titles, but damn if it aint annoying that the Mouse is buying up EVERYTHING.
Quote from: dragonthingy on Jul 03, 2020, 03:13:15 AM
This is going to be a disaster. Marvel Comics are a complete shitshow, hiring employees based on their minority status and not their talent, lagging sales, politics inejcting themselves into the stories, and creators attacking the fans. RIP AvP comics.
I am not optimistic, nor pessimistic. But a healthy in-between. I'm skeptical until I can experience the thing for my own.
Gonna miss the archie crossover
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2020, 03:21:56 AM
Mr H is as upset as Corporal Hicks on a bad car day...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofm08_lNOtY
I had to block him on YouTube. I thought he might be an interesting follow because he seemed to be interested in a lot of the things I am, but all of his videos just came across as hateful, anti-"woke," "blah blah blah SJWs are awful and running everything" type nonsense. I'm willing to guess that this video is more of the same, based on how angry you're saying he is about this news.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 01:50:34 AM
@ Immortan Jonesy
Absolutely right, there's always this tendency to view the past with rose tinted spectacles and be filled up with nostalgia.
It's like music, people talk about 60s and 70s being the defining eras of pop music. They always forget how much god awful music was also around at that time too. People only remember the bits that suit them. I believe the term is confirmation bias.
Yeah, that's the correct term.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2020, 03:18:02 AM
Yeah cos a sci-fi series about the horrors of unregulated corporate greed was never political.
I hear it's also - gasp - feminist!!
QuoteIt's kind of ironic Disney own the franchise considering they are essentially doing the same thing.
Fox already did that ironing. They even had their own major right wing propaganda outlet.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2020, 04:48:25 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2020, 03:21:56 AM
Mr H is as upset as Corporal Hicks on a bad car day...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofm08_lNOtY
I had to block him on YouTube. I thought he might be an interesting follow because he seemed to be interested in a lot of the things I am, but all of his videos just came across as hateful, anti-"woke," "blah blah blah SJWs are awful and running everything" type nonsense. I'm willing to guess that this video is more of the same, based on how angry you're saying he is about this news.
I watched the first 90 seconds and realised I didn't need a whiny rant. It's classic rose coloured glasses stuff. Dark Horse has done some very cool stuff - but they also did Xenogenesis and Earth War, and lots of people could reel off a long list of Alien or Predator comics they hated. Resistance and Rescue for instance. And even between they good and the bad they were lots that were just okay.
On the point with Mr H reviews, I agree he can be sometimes negative.
But tobe fair I feel his pain on this one. I've been up all night raging about it. Especially now it's sunk in and what ultimately this now means. I think it's more likely than not that alien and predator will be toned down to appeal to a wider audience.
I know a lot of people would call us sad and tell us to get over it. But these characters have been significant to me since I was a small child. I'm now 30 years of age.
It all started with me secretly watching alien when I should of been in bed at about seven years of age and being absolutely shit scared. It played havoc with my imagination. Then I watched aliens. Then I watched predator. I progressively got addicted to them. Whilst kids my own age wanted toy story toys and transformers. I wanted alien and predator toys.
Over time I became obsessed with both Alien and Predator. It was my ultimate escapism.
This really feels like it's the end of the road for predator and alien for me in terms of films and comics. All I'm going to have left now is figures and video games and the beloved AvPgalaxy.
It's a real shit day as an alien and predator fan. It really is.
Sure I could be wrong and marvel and Disney get their shit together and make adult rated material. But at this point I highly doubt it. Even under fox both franchises seemed to be getting dumbed down more and more in terms of gore and horror. So I don't see Disney changing it anytime soon.
I can't lie, I absolutely despise Disney now.
Why couldn't they of just sold alien and predator to warner brothers. They are the perfect fit for both franchises. ???
The only thing that surprises me about this news is that anyone else is surprised by it. Disney owns the biggest comic book company in the world. Why
wouldn't they do this?
Quote from: SM on Jul 03, 2020, 05:17:37 AMDark Horse has done some very cool stuff - but they also did Xenogenesis and Earth War, and lots of people could reel off a long list of Alien or Predator comics they hated.
Oh for the halcyon days of DotS.
Quite.
Forgot DotS. Thanks for reminding me...
QuoteI think it's more likely than not that alien and predator will be toned down to appeal to a wider audience.
It what way will it be toned down? Don't Marvel do a zombie line with graphic violence?
Quote from: SM on Jul 03, 2020, 05:39:56 AM
Forgot DotS. Thanks for reminding me...
I can't forget about it when I keep waiting for you to explain it.
@ SM
I just think all the stars here are aligning with making both franchises more marketable. So my answer would be language and profanity will be toned down. Disney's politics will probably be force fed in, like with Star Wars. And the violence will become cartoony. Especially in terms of films. Someone made the good point of marvel Max's print for punisher. Hopefully AvP will follow one that direction.
Like I say nothing is set in stone, I could be wrong because none of us know what both Disney and marvel have planned. But in my heart of hearts I just have a bad feeling about all of this.
I'd be very surprised if they didn't make it more children friendly to maximise profits.
Fingers crossed I'm wrong and it's business as usual.
Marvel also has their Max line that they could theoretically use. That's something that could vary project to project, with some more mainstream stuff releasing under the general Marvel banner and more, shall we say, explicit, material under the Max label. Marvel doesn't shy away from telling stories littered with sex and profanity and grisly violence with some of their own characters under this banner, so I don't see why they would be totally opposed to doing that with Alien and Predator from time to time.
They certainly have options. Whatever the case winds up being, the only thing we really can do is wait for more news and hope for some cool stuff.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 05:47:44 AMDisney's politics will probably be force fed in, like with Star Wars. And the violence will become cartoony. Especially in terms of films. Someone made the good point of marvel Max's print for punisher. Hopefully AvP will follow one that direction.
Seems to me that characters like Amanda and Zula would fit right in with "Disney's politics" so I don't understand how this can be regarded as a sea change for the brand.
And, yes, Marvel brought back the MAX imprint in 2019 for a new Punisher series. There's no reason they can't use it for Alien and Predator too.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/MAX_Comics
I still find it hilarious to think that in 2020 people are still complaining about "Disney's politics" in Star Wars while totally ignoring the fact that George Lucas was so incredibly political with his stories.
@ Nightmare Asylum
Whilst I appreciate the opinion. I think when I'm saying that or other people. What we mean by it is political correctness.
Predator especially was NEVER politically correct.
Yeah it's pretty mindboggling that people think 'Empire = bad' and being more inclusive is somehow 'political correctness gone MAD!!'
QuoteSo my answer would be language and profanity will be toned down.
What language? 'Shit' is used pretty sparingly and 'f**k' not all. They even joke about it in Life & Death.
@ SM
Please dude before we get in a huge debate at 7:15 in the morning. Learn what political correctness actually is. I'm not on about the empire being bad and you are putting words in my mouth there.
If you don't understand what real political correctness is. Something Disney have been relentless in the last ten years with showcasing I suggest you read about it. It's not strictly a Disney thing it's a society issue as well.
Put it this way. I'm pretty sure "slacked jawed faggot" for example is not something Disney or marvel will be approving anytime soon.
Has a term like that appeared in any Predator comic - or film - in the last 20 years?
The world changed a long time ago. Disney didn't change it.
Do try and keep up.
SM you are clearly trying to just pick holes in everything I'm saying. Apparently you think it makes you smart when it doesn't.
The sentiment is real if thousands of fans of cinema in general feel the same way about political correctness. You might think it's about being "inclusive" but for a lot of us we just want a good story. I don't care what colour a character is or what their sexual orientation is. Why should that come first? The story and character should be the driving force.
And how is it relevant to the story? If it is relevant to the story then great by all means. But if it's not, it's forced and shallow.
What I'm trying to say is this.
The problem is when studios like Disney build a character around race just because it makes them look good to boost profits rather than it being sincere. It's actually a mockery to those real groups they are portraying. Because they are being made to be something special as opposed to something completely natural and normal. Which they are.
Don't you get the point?
Why do you think that being inclusive and a good story are mutually exclusive?
The Alien series regularly includes female leads, POC in major roles, and LGBTQI characters. What could they possibly do that would be injecting "their" politics into it that the series hasn't been doing for 41 years?
SiL I was talking about predator not alien.
A series that has still featured leading POC characters, strong female characters, and disabled characters in its 33 year history.
I never got the impression the Predator franchise was going out of its way to insult people.
Anyone want to see some examples of the stuff Marvel MAX published just last year?
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And...
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That's not even the worst of it, but is anyone still skeptical that they can handle Alien and Predator?
P1 and P2 were never politically correct. I can't stress this fact enough. In fact roger Ebert for example deemed predator 2 to be racist if I remember correctly.
Also both movies stereotyped..
Aliens actually comes to mind right now. I don't know how many of you are in the uk. But on sky movies aliens along with many other films have a warning that they are culturally offensive and may offend to a modern audience.
Clearly this isn't just something I've been thinking about...
" Sky Cinema are adding warnings to select films that contain "outdated attitudes, language and cultural depictions which may cause offence today". The TV channel, the content of which is also available on NOW TV, is including the disclaimer with films such as Aliens, Gone with the Wind, Flash Gordon and Dumbo"
This is the perfect example of what I mean by political correctness gone mad.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 06:39:06 AM
SM you are clearly trying to just pick holes in everything I'm saying. Apparently you think it makes you smart when it doesn't.
The sentiment is real if thousands of fans of cinema in general feel the same way about political correctness. You might think it's about being "inclusive" but for a lot of us we just want a good story. I don't care what colour a character is or what their sexual orientation is. Why should that come first? The story and character should be the driving force.
And how is it relevant to the story? If it is relevant to the story then great by all means. But if it's not, it's forced and shallow.
What I'm trying to say is this.
The problem is when studios like Disney build a character around race just because it makes them look good to boost profits rather than it being sincere. It's actually a mockery to those real groups they are portraying. Because they are being made to be something special as opposed to something completely natural and normal. Which they are.
Don't you get the point?
The point that 'white male' is the default and anything else is tokenism. Yes, you've made your point very clearly.
Maybe start digging up.
Goodbye Alien! The movies are soon to join.
Nice try SM. You always did love putting words in my mouth. I clearly just said " I don't care what colour or sexual orientation a character is"
Read into what ever you want and what ever makes you happy. I know what I mean. And I think it's pretty clear for others to see what I mean.
In case you missed it.
" Sky Cinema are adding warnings to select films that contain "outdated attitudes, language and cultural depictions which may cause offence today". The TV channel, the content of which is also available on NOW TV, is including the disclaimer with films such as Gone with the Wind, Flash Gordon and Dumbo"
Who cares about disclaimers so long as they don't censor the material itself for those who want to consume it?
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 07:07:50 AM
I know what I mean. And I think it's pretty clear for others to see what I mean.
No I'm pretty lost.
Try saying "political correctness gone mad" without being politically correct and we may understand better.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2020, 07:08:12 AM
Who cares about disclaimers so long as they don't censor the material itself for those who want to consume it?
Pretty much this. Slap a warning label on it and move on.
Local trouble. I accept what your trying to say. But it's taking away from the point of what I'm talking about with political correctness.
Were you offended by aliens cultural depictions?
I certainly wasn't. It had leading strong female as the pain character, a diverse cast. What was so offensive?
The point is we are living in times now, where even aliens could never be made. Even though it hasn't done anything wrong. Aladdin that came out only last year has got the same warning. There's a huge push in Hollywood right now to make everything completely correct. And I think it will stifle creativity in the long run. You might not care now. But in ten years time you might.
QuoteI clearly just said " I don't care what colour or sexual orientation a character is"
You seem to be complaining a lot for someone who doesn't care.
QuoteAnd I think it will stifle creativity in the long run. You might not care now. But in ten years time you might.
Oh no. Whatever will we do when movies don't throw around 'slack jawed faggot' as an insult?
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 07:15:38 AM
What was so offensive?
Putting a wig and fake tan on a light skinned redhead woman and passing her off as a Latina.
Aliens could still get made, they'd just cast an actual Latina actress.
QuoteAladdin that came out only last year has got the same warning.
Because they made a movie set in the middle east and filled it with Indian culture and dance because they couldn't tell their brown people apart. Even I was cringing at that.
http://politicalvanguard.com/the-little-mermaid-becomes-part-of-our-politically-correct-world-by-felicia-tweedy/
This explains it all fat better than I ever can.
SIL her family are from Brazil dude.
She's half-Russian, half Moroccan/Brazilian and by her own admission was cast for her physique.
Quote from: SM on Jul 03, 2020, 07:20:20 AM
Oh no. Whatever will we do when movies don't throw around 'slack jawed faggot' as an insult?
If it helps, one of the characters in the Punisher comic called him a "faggot piece of shit" in the issue published as recently as March 2020.
Well she has Latino in her regardless. So your point is mute mate. Also you have to remember I've had zero sleep tonight and I'm really tired so I do apologise if I'm not making complete sense. If anyone is interested in what I'm trying to say. Read the article because it does a far better job of explaining it than I can right now.
Goodnight everyone.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 07:42:21 AM
Well she has Latino in her regardless.
Of course, but why not portray her as a white Latina -- they do exist, clearly, and even Disney featured one in Big Hero Six -- instead of putting her in brown face? That was the problem.
I'm Australian, that wouldn't make it OK to put me in black face and have me play an indigenous Australian.
I dont trust disney handling of the brand, that is all.
SiL that's utterly ridiculous. You say you're Australian but your heritage is from my country great Britain. You do not have the native Australian genes running through your blood. She does have Latino in her. There's a big difference there. Secondly you sake brown face or whatever. How do you know she isn't into tanning lotion? Plenty of women are. You are being utterly ridiculous.
QuotePutting a wig
That was a wig? I thought they just cut her hair short and dyed it black?
Either way
EVILthePREDATOR, chill my dude. This whole PC rant isn't really necessary.
It's also already been pointed out that both series both in print and on celluloid, have always been diverse and political. If you're gonna be worried about anything, be worried about the quality of the story telling. Rather than what politics may or may not be in the stories themselves.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 07:51:33 AM
SiL that's utterly ridiculous. You say you're Australian but your heritage is from my country great Britain. You do not have the native Australian genes running through your blood. She does have Latino in her. There's a big difference there. Secondly you sake brown face or whatever. How do you know she isn't into tanning lotion? Plenty of women are. You are being utterly ridiculous.
It's commonly known Jeannette was sprayed a brown skin pigmentation to make her look more Latina. That's just a fact of the shooting of the film.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2020, 07:41:04 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 03, 2020, 07:20:20 AM
Oh no. Whatever will we do when movies don't throw around 'slack jawed faggot' as an insult?
If it helps, one of the characters in the Punisher comic called him a "faggot piece of shit" in the issue published as recently as March 2020.
Thank God. What a relief.
I didn't want you to lose sleep over it.
There's absolutely nothing on the internet to suggest she was intentionally made to look more "Latino"
Does anyone have sources?
She also played an Irish woman in titanic even though she isn't Irish. So what gives?
Well, I'm a bit loyal to Dark Horse, Despite they rarely making anything good, Still, thank you for your products.
I have ZERO interests in crossovers, but Hey Ill just not buy them.
Let us hope a new team can bring something inspired to the brand.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 08:05:48 AM
There's absolutely nothing on the internet to suggest she was intentionally made to look more "Latino"
Does anyone have sources?
She also played an Irish woman in titanic even though she isn't Irish. So what gives?
It wasn't hard to find... (https://www.cbr.com/aliens-actress-accidental-audition/)
QuoteNow, looking at it from modern sensibilities, the fact that they had to use makeup to make her look the correct ethnicity (Goldstein was half Jewish/quarter Brazillian/quarter Moroccan) was probably a bit iffy, but this was the same era where Fisher Stevens played an Indian person in a blockbuster film, so bear that in mind.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 08:05:48 AM
There's absolutely nothing on the internet to suggest she was intentionally made to look more "Latino"
Does anyone have sources?
She also played an Irish woman in titanic even though she isn't Irish. So what gives?
Google is your friend and so are the A L I E N Anthology Blu-Rays.
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Jenette_Vasquez#cite_note-Vasquez-15 (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Jenette_Vasquez#cite_note-Vasquez-15)
QuoteGoldstein actually has brown hair, freckled white skin and light brown eyes in real life; to portray the Hispanic Vasquez, she had to dye her hair and wear makeup and contact lenses, the latter of which the actress found incredibly uncomfortable.
She spoke about make up having to cover white skin and freckles in Starlog in 1987.
Either way. It was a product of its time and has no bearing on the MARVEL deal.
I just hope we get PREDATOR and A L I E N/ALIENS titles as standalone titles first.
The crossovers should be saved for fun little what if's.
QuoteEither way. It was a product of its time and has no bearing on the MARVEL deal
Indeed.
It would be nice to return to the topic.
Alien on art looks gorgeous! But I'm not sure about the number of fingers. There should be six. For me, this is more important than some Disney / Marvel views on characters and stories. ;D
They only really had six fingers in Alien.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 02, 2020, 05:41:47 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2020, 05:25:14 PM
Also, note that it doesn't mention Alien vs. Predator. Wonder if they're abandoning the crossover.
Christ I hope not.
Ah, looks like the Marvel release specifically mentions AvP. We're good.
Quote from: SM on Jul 03, 2020, 08:59:57 AM
They only really had six fingers in Alien.
Yes, and this is strange. How many fingers does xeno have in Aliens? That's kind of like 5. But four are glued in pairs, so it looks like 3. Anyway, everything is better than the ugly glove in AR. I can't even imagine how this can work.
Quote from: SM on Jul 03, 2020, 08:59:57 AM
They only really had six fingers in Alien.
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Also of note (I'm still catching up on about 6 pages, so sorry if has been covered) is this -
QuoteToday, Marvel Entertainment announced three iconic franchises – ALIEN, PREDATOR, and ALIEN VS. PREDATOR – will be launching all-new stories with Marvel Comics starting in 2021! Revealed exclusively by IGN, the new comic series will feature new and classic characters from Earth and beyond to explore never-before-seen corners of both the Alien and Predator universes.
Following the debut of Alien in 1979 and Predator in 1987, the films built a cult following and expanded rapidly to include toys, games, novels, and comic books, eventually leading to 2004's landmark crossover Alien vs. Predator. Marvel's new stories will draw from all of these properties, building on decades of multimedia storytelling. Get a first look at next year's deadly new chapter with spine-chilling cover art by David Finch!
I don't think we're going to be a continuity reboot. They specifically call out building on the old stories and classic characters.
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Quote from: SM on Jul 03, 2020, 08:59:57 AM
They only really had six fingers in Alien.
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I immediately thought of the still of Andrews being grabbed from above after posting that but I'm on my phone and didn't have pic to hand.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2020, 09:07:11 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 03, 2020, 08:59:57 AM
They only really had six fingers in Alien.
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Oh, I love moments like this :D
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 03, 2020, 09:15:49 AM
Also of note (I'm still catching up on about 6 pages, so sorry if has been covered) is this -
QuoteToday, Marvel Entertainment announced three iconic franchises – ALIEN, PREDATOR, and ALIEN VS. PREDATOR – will be launching all-new stories with Marvel Comics starting in 2021! Revealed exclusively by IGN, the new comic series will feature new and classic characters from Earth and beyond to explore never-before-seen corners of both the Alien and Predator universes.
Following the debut of Alien in 1979 and Predator in 1987, the films built a cult following and expanded rapidly to include toys, games, novels, and comic books, eventually leading to 2004's landmark crossover Alien vs. Predator. Marvel's new stories will draw from all of these properties, building on decades of multimedia storytelling. Get a first look at next year's deadly new chapter with spine-chilling cover art by David Finch!
I don't think we're going to be a continuity reboot. They specifically call out building on the old stories and classic characters.
We can only hope,
Hicks, we can only hope...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2020, 07:08:12 AM
Who cares about disclaimers so long as they don't censor the material itself for those who want to consume it?
This. Super bored of seeing people up in arms about that disclaimer. When they actually start censoring the material, then I'll be worried, but a warning is no harm to anyone...that said, I wish they'd actually specify on the warning why its there but...
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Jul 03, 2020, 09:24:28 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 03, 2020, 09:15:49 AM
Also of note (I'm still catching up on about 6 pages, so sorry if has been covered) is this -
QuoteToday, Marvel Entertainment announced three iconic franchises – ALIEN, PREDATOR, and ALIEN VS. PREDATOR – will be launching all-new stories with Marvel Comics starting in 2021! Revealed exclusively by IGN, the new comic series will feature new and classic characters from Earth and beyond to explore never-before-seen corners of both the Alien and Predator universes.
Following the debut of Alien in 1979 and Predator in 1987, the films built a cult following and expanded rapidly to include toys, games, novels, and comic books, eventually leading to 2004's landmark crossover Alien vs. Predator. Marvel's new stories will draw from all of these properties, building on decades of multimedia storytelling. Get a first look at next year's deadly new chapter with spine-chilling cover art by David Finch!
I don't think we're going to be a continuity reboot. They specifically call out building on the old stories and classic characters.
We can only hope, Hicks, we can only hope...
I'm hoping to get the new editor on the podcast early to talk about some of people's concerns like this.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 03, 2020, 09:35:31 AM
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Jul 03, 2020, 09:24:28 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 03, 2020, 09:15:49 AM
Also of note (I'm still catching up on about 6 pages, so sorry if has been covered) is this -
QuoteToday, Marvel Entertainment announced three iconic franchises – ALIEN, PREDATOR, and ALIEN VS. PREDATOR – will be launching all-new stories with Marvel Comics starting in 2021! Revealed exclusively by IGN, the new comic series will feature new and classic characters from Earth and beyond to explore never-before-seen corners of both the Alien and Predator universes.
Following the debut of Alien in 1979 and Predator in 1987, the films built a cult following and expanded rapidly to include toys, games, novels, and comic books, eventually leading to 2004's landmark crossover Alien vs. Predator. Marvel's new stories will draw from all of these properties, building on decades of multimedia storytelling. Get a first look at next year's deadly new chapter with spine-chilling cover art by David Finch!
I don't think we're going to be a continuity reboot. They specifically call out building on the old stories and classic characters.
We can only hope, Hicks, we can only hope...
I'm hoping to get the new editor on the podcast early to talk about some of people's concerns like this.
That'd be great! Hopefully they'll assuage some of the fears and trepidation. I for one hope that they'll keep allot of the connective tissue from the DH comics for this new era. Too just leave so much history in the dust would be unsettling.
They did it before. I think the quality has been more consistent in recent years and it'd be a shame to lose it (not only because of the stuff I'm working on at the moment). But it wouldn't surprise me if they started again.
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Jul 03, 2020, 09:44:22 AMI for one hope that they'll keep allot of the connective tissue from the DH comics for this new era. Too just leave so much history in the dust would be unsettling.
The "connective tissue" between DH's stuff was already tenuous enough, or are we really supposed to believe that the original series has any bearing on their more recent output?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2020, 09:50:24 AM
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Jul 03, 2020, 09:44:22 AMI for one hope that they'll keep allot of the connective tissue from the DH comics for this new era. Too just leave so much history in the dust would be unsettling.
The "connective tissue" between DH's stuff was already tenuous enough, or are we really supposed to believe that the original series has any bearing on their more recent output?
I was speaking more to what's been done in the last 6-7 years. But, the older stories certainly had bearing on stories like PREDATOR: Hunters. Also characters like Machiko are staples of the DH comics.
I agree with
SM, I won't be surprised if MARVEL chucks all that history out the window for a clean slate. Which, I wouldn't personally like, I would totally understand. Considering how that can creatively shackle writers hands.
PG or PG-13 Alien/Predator comics? Thanks but no thanks.
The MAX line still exists and features all the gore and profanity you could want.
Just to re-iterate what Marvel still publishes....
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2020, 06:54:21 AM
Anyone want to see some examples of the stuff Marvel MAX published just last year?
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That's not even the worst of it, but is anyone still skeptical that they can handle Alien and Predator?
Yeah I don't know where this "PG" A/P/AVP MARVEL. Thing is coming from? MARVEL doesn't shy away from graphic violence as has been shown from Wolverine to Punisher. So, I wouldn't worry about that side of things.
Dark Horse hasn't dropped an f-bomb in a very long time other than the Gibson adaptation to the best if my knowledge. And I don't think there's even been any be shits since Life & Death.
I fully except that my love for DH stems, in part, from nostalgia. And I have no illusions that DH did't put out a good number of stinkers. But never have I or would I want them to lose the license. I'm sure if marvel keeps up the same pace as DH did then they will release some stinkers too anyway.
Do you guys think Marvel will keep with the same 4-6 issue story structure? Or will they release Aliens #1 and just keep it going in one series?
Hell, they've been all over the place with Star Wars. One-shots, six-issue spotlights, 25-issue solo series and an ongoing main title.
I doubt they'll go that far with Alien or Predator, but they can do pretty much anything.
The Max line is the way they should go. No doubt.
BUT... there's absolutely no guarantee that's what will happen. The truth is none of us currently know what is going to happen. You can't ridicule people's concerns because they are worried when you don't have the inside knowledge on what marvels intentions are.
I quite clearly remember SM going on about how some of us was blowing hot air over The Predator when it was in production. That we were reading too much into it. And that the direction Shane black has taken the film was completely in good faith to the material.
Well that didn't turn out too well did. Seeing as a lot of us were actually right to be concerned back then. This is no different in that regard and I'd actually say this is far more concerning than one stand alone movie.
This will set the precedent on how both franchises will be handled by Disney in the future.
I wish this putting people's concerns down would stop. Because actually I find that pretty boring considering I'm usually right in my concerns.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 11:08:29 AM
The Max line is the way they should go. No doubt.
BUT... there's absolutely no guarantee that's what will happen. The truth is none of us currently know what is going to happen. You can't ridicule people's concerns because they are worried when you don't have the inside knowledge on what marvels intentions are.
I quite clearly remember SM going on about how some of us was blowing hot air over The Predator when it was in production. That we were reading too much into it. And that the direction Shane black has taken the film was completely in good faith to the material.
Well that didn't turn out too well did. Seeing as a lot of us were actually right to be concerned back then. This is no different in that regard and I'd actually say this is far more concerning than one stand alone movie.
This will set the precedent on how both franchises will be handled by Disney in the future.
I wish this putting people's concerns down would stop. Because actually I find that pretty boring considering I'm usually right in my concerns.
I don't get this anti-
SM thing and find it to be rather childish.
As for 'putting down people's concerns' I haven't seen that. There's always two sides of a coin. Everyone has their opinion and are just sharing them. Also, nobody is right all the time. Let's please put aside personal attacks and continue the conversation?
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 11:08:29 AM
The Max line is the way they should go. No doubt.
I would love to see Garth Ennis have a crack at writing it too. His take on the colonial marines alone could be amazing.
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Jul 03, 2020, 11:14:14 AM
I don't get this anti-SM thing and find it to be rather childish.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2020, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 11:08:29 AM
The Max line is the way they should go. No doubt.
I would love to see Garth Ennis take a crack at writing it too. His take on the colonial marines alone could be amazing.
Even an Ennis PREDATOR! Can you imagine how he would craft a squad? I really relish that thought.
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Jul 03, 2020, 11:17:33 AM
Even an Ennis PREDATOR! Can you imagine how he would craft a squad? I really relish that thought.
He's practically halfway there as it is!
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Any lingering doubts?
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Even an Ennis PREDATOR! Can you imagine how he would craft a squad? I really relish that thought.
He's practically halfway there as it is!
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Any lingering doubts?
^ THAT right there is proof of concept for a Ennis PREDATOR run.
While I'm certainly interested to see how Marvel handles them, I'm pretty sure neither Alien nor Predator will be integrated into the main Marvel Universe; the settings and histories are just far too different. Those covers showing the Guardians of the Galaxy and Iron Man are just a bit of fun.
Why not both? The Punisher exists in Marvel's primary universe (Earth-616) and his MAX universe (Earth-200111).
Marvel really isn't limited to an either-or choice here.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 03, 2020, 11:35:31 AM
Why not both? The Punisher exists in Marvel's primary universe (Earth-616) and his MAX universe (Earth-200111).
Marvel really isn't limited to an either/or choice here.
As do Wolverine, Deadpool, Nick Fury, and Blade.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 11:08:29 AM
I wish this putting people's concerns down would stop. Because actually I find that pretty boring considering I'm usually right in my concerns.
It's not about putting them down. It's about alleviating them. "They'll be tame under Marvel" - "Not to worry! Here, check out the violence that Marvel produces." How is that not a good thing?
@ junglehunter.
There is no anti SM, but it feels bro sometimes like when ever I voice my opinion he's always there ready to pounce and pick holes in everything and anything I say. I respond and always get looked at as the bad guy.
And it always ends up turning into a farce. I don't know why he can't just accept that some people just have a different opinion.
There are plenty of opinions on this board everyday I don't agree with. I don't feel the need to pull them apart every time.
Back to the subject...
I'm absolutely certain that both franchises will not turn up in MCU. I think that's pretty much a given. As for the comics the max label seems the most suitable, although marvel will almost definitely do some form of cross over events. Seeing as they have explicitly said they are now in the marvel universe.
My worry largely stems from how they worded the announcement. The language wasn't indicating to me that they are planning to keep it R rated and adult oriented.
And Yano like I say nothing is set in stone. If Disney thinks they can tone it down to appeal to a wider audience and make more money.
I think yes they would absolutely do that. I would not put that past them.
Business will always come before fans. Always has and always will.
It's all about money at the end of the day. I'm not going to rule anything out at this point until we have solid information later this month.
We shall see. Hopefully Hicks can get that interview with the Editor of MARVEL. Maybe we can get some concrete answers on those concerns?
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 11:56:07 AM
There are plenty of opinions on this board everyday I don't agree with. I don't feel the need to pull them apart every time.
It's a discussion board. It's not an echo chamber. If you express an opinion that can be discussed or worries that can be addressed, what's wrong with that?
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 11:56:07 AMThere is no anti SM, but it feels bro sometimes like when ever I voice my opinion he's always there ready to pounce and pick holes in everything and anything I say.
But...isn't that everyone's normal AvPG experience? :-\
Because I could say it's blue and he will always be there waiting to say it's red. The point is hicks its gone on for over two years. I haven't even posted anything in a quite a few months. Once again when I do he's right there ready to punch holes into what I'm saying. Even though he doesn't know what the future holds himself. I'm going off the language of the announcement and what makes sense to make as much money as possible.
If he has inside knowledge and knows I'm wrong then fair dues. But all this is speculation at this point. We should all be entitled to our opinions without feeling belittled every time we say something that might go against what someone else thinks.
Like I say and I'm sure you'd agree. There are plenty of things posted that you don't agree with. And I think it's completely fair to say most of us unless there's actually some sort of end goal would just ignore it.
There's a constructive debate which I'm all for and then there's just plain awkwardness. He also has a habit of putting words in my mouth which would rub anyone up the wrong way.
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1278940258982215681
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 12:15:46 PM
There's a constructive debate which I'm all for and then there's just plain awkwardness. He also has a habit of putting words in my mouth which would rub anyone up the wrong way.
I'm sorry but for the most part this is what I'm seeing in regards to this thread and your opinions being expressed. If I thought he was being a dick, I'd step in.
Your complaints -
It'll be toned down and kiddified / Marvel do Zombies, they have a MAX title that panels have been posted from showing people missing limbs.
They'll be less adult language / the Alien/Predator comics evidently didn't swear that much anyway. (Never been something I've noticed either way)
It's going to be too PC / Alien has always been, as the kids call it, "woke" and Predator has always been inclusive.
You'd never see "slack jawed f****t" now / of course you wouldn't, time's have changed and it's as bad as the n-word.
SkyMovies added a trigger warning / but they only added a warning. They didn't censor the film.
They never brown-faced Vasquez / they did, it's been talked about since the film came out.
I'm sorry, but it just looks like you don't like being disputed. They are facts against your complaints.
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Indeed. That gave me a good chuckle this morning.
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I mean yeah.
If the Punisher Max line,which i haven't read just the panels posted is anything to go by and some of Vader comics, which i have read some of. I think we can see some good things come out of this. Of course they wont all be perfect.
Even Dark Horse has story lines people disagree on the quality. i thought life and death was pretty terrible. some of the new aliens ive thought were pretty decent. i also love the Outbreak/female war trilogy.
Letting Disney/Marvel know what we fans want in quality and content without name calling, belittling or insulting is how we get same quality comics from DH or better
So him essentially putting words in my mouth and essentially calling me a racist just because I dared to mention Disney's over the top P.C culture is not being a d*ck is it? Nice one Hicks.
I'm being painted as right wing for talking about the uncomfortable truth no one wants to talk about.
As it happens my favourite predator film is P2 which is a black man as the main character.
Denzel Washington is my all time favourite actor by a long mile. It's got absolutely nothing to do about race. I want to see more inclusion. I just want it to be sincere.
The problem is Disney are relentlessly pushing white guilt. And that's what I was trying to point out. If they really cared about the cause. They wouldn't be changing the race of established characters. They would be making brand new characters. It's just a gimmicky marketing ploy to make more money which isn't sincere imho.
I want more diversity I just don't like the way Disney handles it.
Okay, I will admit that Marvel and Disney have an annoying tendency to act like they have some sort of monopoly on diversity and representation.
If they try to market a new Alien series with a female POC in the lead as if it's something groundbreaking, I will definitely roll my eyes at them quite vigorously.
Make it a homosexual lead and it would be groundbreaking.
And even better: Make it in the GFFA. Everyone who doesn't like it, is free to piss off.
Thank you local trouble. That was all I meant. One of my all time favourite franchises other than our babies is the matrix. The matrix trio logo is in my opinion how to be diverse whilst being sincere at the same time. It has practically every single race under the sun in it. All working together for a common cause and purpose. It's exactly how it should be done. The characters arenot driven by race and white guilt. They are driven by equality.
They are all equally as important to the story of Zion.
Disney are not doing that. It's exploitative. And that's where my problem lies with how they operate.
Thank you local trouble. That was all I meant. One of my all time favourite franchises other than our babies is the matrix. The matrix trio logo is in my opinion how to be diverse whilst being sincere at the same time. It has practically every single race under the sun in it. All working together for a common cause and purpose. It's exactly how it should be done. The characters arenot driven by race and white guilt. They are driven by equality.
They are all equally as important to the story of Zion.
Disney are not doing that. It's exploitative. And that's where my problem lies with how they operate.
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Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 12:58:48 PM
Disney are not doing that. It's exploitative. And that's where my problem lies with how they operate.
It's fair to be worried about exploitative measures regarding such hot topics, and I think you expressed it well there. But I guess I don't see it. I remember reading accounts of Mexicans watching Rogue One, overjoyed at one of their own being a main character in such an amazing film. Which let me see if I can find it.
It's important. And it's something Alien and Predator have been doing since the very start. I guess I just don't see it in what Disney has been doing?
Right now I'm reading Marvel's Immortal Hulk series, and let me tell you, that has a LOT of gruesome, violent and disturbing imagery.
Hicks that's great. That's what I want to see. Brand new characters that are from ethnic and minority backgrounds. Just like the matrix did.
I don't want to see the little mermaid for example which is from a danish author and is based on old European folklore made black just because it's the "in thing"
Why not be creative and look into African culture and bring something fresh and new to the table that all black actors and actresses can be apart of proudly? Black pants for example was an example of this. So there is signs it's moving in the right direction. But it's still not enough.
It's not the in thing at the end of the day, it's pushing white guilt on the rest of us.
They are too lazy to make anything original and centre it around a strong black lead. Or to make brand new characters that might be from the lgbt communities for example.
If Disney cares as much as they make out, then where's our black Disney princess? Instead they are trying to cash in on the cultural changes in our society. And that by all accounts is wrong and not sincere in the slightest and like I say is incredibly sinister.
I'm all for diversity, but it shouldn't come at the cost of equality. And that's the last I'll say about the subject. I'm angry because I've seen on Twitter the R word getting thrown around and SM clearly tried to call me one.
It's an uncomfortable subject for all of us. But I thinks an important one. And something none of us no matter what race or creed you are should be able to talk about freely. Education is the way out of this. Not Disney's shallow money making ways.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 01:31:02 PM
If Disney cares as much as they make out, then where's our black Disney princess?
Um...right here?
https://princess.disney.com/tiana
Quote from: EJA on Jul 03, 2020, 01:17:49 PM
Right now I'm reading Marvel's Immortal Hulk series, and let me tell you, that has a LOT of gruesome, violent and disturbing imagery.
Yeah I love seeing the comments on reddit or Twitter with people thinking they're going to tone down the violence when Marvel puts out this every month or so;
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Local trouble that's jasmine from Aladdin. She's Asian not black.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 01:48:31 PM
Local trouble that's jasmine from Aladdin. She's Asian not black.
Did you even click the link? It's Tiana from The Princess and the Frog. A movie that was released eleven years ago.
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 12:38:41 PMI dared to mention Disney's over the top P.C culture is not being a d*ck is it?
I want more diversity I just don't like the way Disney handles it.
Is PC a real concept though? or more like feminazi. I mean, just bigotry from conservatives who hates when media changes in favor of minorities. Now if Disney is doing it wrong, maybe it's cause bad direction / writing. :-\
https://twitter.com/NicKlein/status/1278903616686878722
:D
As far as Marvel artists that I'd like to see work on Alien go, the first one that comes to mind for me is Emma Rios (check out her Doctor Strange Season One work for a great example of her style). Tradd Moore would be cool too, after some of the horrific, pop art-esque symbiote imagery in Silver Surfer Black.
My bad, she looks pretty much bang on to how jasmine looked in the Aladdin cartoon though bro. I legit thought it was jasmine. But actually even the princess and the frog is an example of them being manipulative. It came out exactly when Obama had just become president if I remember correctly. Again trying to capitalise on society in a selfish manner. Disney don't see in black in white. They are just tools. All Disney see in is Green.
It back fired as the film completely bombed. Which is why they have never attempted it again. If they had just done it sincerely to begin with, maybe it wouldn't of bombed?
The point is they keep force feeding diversity whilst yet barring a few examples it's at the cost of equality. I hope people understand me. I really do.
Of the Marvel regulars I'd love to see Esad Ribic on an Alien book and given how he does people in armor I'd be all for him doing Predator. There's also just something that would be appealing to me about an Alex Ross rendition of the Predator or even how he'd draw Dutch. An Alex Ross designed Predator is something I'd be all for. Joe Bennett (Immortal Hulk artist) does great on the gross imagery.
@EVILthePREDATOR,
Just stop. You are not doing yourself any favors. :laugh:
Edit: Although now that I think about it, every once in a while a show like this manifests itself on the forums. I won't say the T word. Instead, I'm going to eat popcorn. ;D
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jul 03, 2020, 02:10:04 PM
Of the Marvel regulars I'd love to see Esad Ribic on an Alien book and given how he does people in armor I'd be all for him doing Predator. There's also just something that would be appealing to me about an Alex Ross rendition of the Predator or even how he'd draw Dutch. An Alex Ross designed Predator is something I'd be all for. Joe Bennett (Immortal Hulk artist) does great on the gross imagery.
I think Alex Ross doing at least one Alien cover and one Predator cover is a minimum. I know they just had him do an Ultraman one now that they acquired that license.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 03, 2020, 02:13:36 PM
@EVILthePREDATOR,
Just stop. You are not doing yourself any favors. :laugh:
Edit: Although now that I think about it, every once in a while a show like this manifests itself on the forums. I won't say the T word. Instead, I'm going to eat popcorn. ;D
It never ceases to amaze me that people like EVIL make these ridiculous arguments to try and justify their racism/bigotry/sexism. Like equality and social justice are bad because its not being done for the right reasons so we should just go back to making everyone white instead :laugh:
Seriously Evil itshard to believe you couldn't tell the difference between Jasmine and Tiana, seriously.
With each post you make yourself sound even worse.
I have to admit, I wouldn't mind seeing Predator vs Kraven the Hunter.
Ugh this thread....
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 03, 2020, 01:44:36 AM
I enjoy stuff for the sake of nostalgia as well. However, the funny thing about "good old days" thinking, is the notable habit of remembering only the positive aspects of times past while sweeping concomitant negatives under the rug. :laugh:
Throughout Dark Horse's long relationship with Predator specifically, in my humble opinion they have produced more mediocrity than worthy reads. The "good old days" are sparing. My sadness comes not from nostalgia, but rather Predator comics have
finally never been this consistently good! Not 25 years ago. Not 10 years ago. But right now! What Chris Warner has been doing is outstanding, and now that we're in a place I want to be, his work will most likely be cut short. :(
looking at his bibliography, chris warner has done some things for marvel in the past, hopefully he can transition and still work on a predator title, even if it's not following on from predator hunters
Tonally I always felt Dark Horse was much better with Predator than their Aliens stories. I think the majority of the Predator series are good stories with only a few questionable ones (I'm looking at you "Invaders From the 4th Dimension!) but I am still bummed that there most likely won't be a Hunters 4 (although we could be wrong).
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 03, 2020, 05:01:50 PM
looking at his bibliography, chris warner has done some things for marvel in the past, hopefully he can transition and still work on a predator title, even if it's not following on from predator hunters
From your lips to the Yautja God's ears!
Would be interesting if Marvel continued the Original Screenplay ones
I'm wondering if the Predator Screenplay got axed or if they may just release it altogether in a trade paperback (or hardcover).
Damn shit, this is terrible news for what is to come for alien fans from disney, giving the license to marvel?! With their new direction that is more political correct and wokeness ideas etc they have lost a lot of old time fans, especielly this new: new warriors comics they are releasing.... and retconning old charachters stories so they arent abusive and offending of todays readers....
Can see this in most new marvel releases and the movies too.
Local trouble is right: we just have to look at other franchises they bought and marvel is doign comics on or after they switched star wars from dark horse back to marvel: they cancel all the previous comics and label them legends or ignore them and restart from blank slate.
star wars comics for the most part is alright but they are pretty much neutral and safe and not offensive or gore in any way and we can just look at how much disney f**ked up star wars lore to guess what they will do to the alien franchise.
Marvel has said that they wont do dark themes but stick to their new modern style so dark alien stories like: aliens labyrinth where rape and killing and impregnation etc is higely not something marvel will ever dwelve into.
In worst case they will do a lot of aliens vs hulk, iron man etc and start mixing them into their disney universe and have xenos in the new movies. In best scenario: rewrite the lore and label anything before disney as legends story and milk the franchise like star wars, cant find many old star wars fans that like the new comics or the new movies.
Dark horse was perfect for aliens and predator, should given the right to avatar comics as they are doing some seriously dark and gory comics, just look at uber :D
Marvel might do some light dark stuff and gore like that hulk scenes but its pretty tame to what we´ve seen in aliens comics and as I said I hiughly doubt they will show children get chestbursted or people made to do the xenos bidding by raping and killing others, acid melting peoples faces off and these dark themes of being used, breeding, monsters in the dark and aliens as a disease/cancer. Most likely marvel will do aliens like comics: safe for the general audience and safe and lots of space marines stuff to please aliens fans.
this is a dark day for us old timers who enjoyed dark horse :/
And I swear, if disney claims they are first with making female hero or doing something woke and new that we havent seen before in aliens franchise or aliens vs guardians of the galaxy then Im off, will see that as violating my beloved franchise.
Aliens and Predators have already faced off against all the big DC characters so I'm not sure why them vs Marvel characters is any different. I still think they'll be released on the MAX imprint (been saying that for two and a half years) to really allow for the gore.
Although I disagree with MR H on a lot but I gotta agree with him on this and based on what disney done to star wars and most franchises and the stuff marvel is releasing the last 5 years, I think he is spot on, no R rating, predator hunting androids hell have iron man looking head on the front cover xD and in the marvel press release they only mention the movies and how great they are but nowhere a mention to the comics of the old and how great they were too, in many ways Dark horse kept alien franchise alive but marvel only say: it will be great to have them in our comics, clearly showing they wont respect the old comics:
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 03:38:53 PM
I should grab the hardcover of Dead Orbit before that goes out of print...
Hurry before eBay shuts down! ;)
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2020, 05:36:38 PM
Also of note:
QuoteDetails on upcoming ALIEN and PREDATOR comic book titles, collections, reprints, and creative teams will be shared at a later date.
Are they going to be reprinting Dark Horse's stuff? Have they done that with their old Star Wars titles?
Yup, they reprint a lot of old Star Wars stuff under the "Legends" banner, with Marvel logos in place of the old Dark Horse ones.
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To be fair, Dark Horse also reprinted Marvel material.
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I should grab the hardcover of Dead Orbit before that goes out of print...
Hurry before eBay shuts down! ;)
Not to worry, I ordered a copy on Amazon last night. :D
I'm sure it will eventually cycle back around in print in Marvel's "Epic Collection," but I'd imagine that won't be the oversize edition or have the extra backup content, so this one will be nice on the shelf.
If Marvel does eventually do Alien Epic Collection releases, I think I might actually grab them. I have a bunch of old Dark Horse issues, but I never did get the complete Omnibus releases so this would probably be the best way for me to comprehensively get everything.
Quote from: Russ840 on Jul 02, 2020, 05:48:12 PM
Is no one going to comment on how kick ass David Finch pencils both creatures.
The Alien was indeed awesome!
Back in the 90s, DH did the Predators Attack Comics Greatest World crossover across a number of its own superhero titles such as Ghost and X. Those stories were canon to the universe they took place in. Could Marvel do something similar, I find myself wondering?
They did throw "Marvel Universe" around in the press release, so anything is possible.
Gotta say, crossover stuff doesn't interest me in the slightest (even AVP) so I'm not at all looking forward to any of that, but some people are, so for them I hope it is good.
For myself, I'll most likely be sticking with the solo Alien material.
We don't even know if they are crossing over with Marvel characters yet. Those drawings could just be for publicity.
Quote from: EJA on Jul 03, 2020, 08:16:26 PM
We don't even know if they are crossing over with Marvel characters yet. Those drawings could just be for publicity.
The Predator art absolutely is just a fun teaser thing. I was referring more to this quote from the press release:
QuoteAlien and Predator are the two of the most identifiable, iconic characters of all time, and I love them for that. But mostly, it's being fortunate enough to be a kid when they were new. I've seen every movie they've ever been in, and I cannot wait to see them wreaking havoc in the Marvel Universe. I drew my pictures of them with a massive smile on my face.
I'm inclined to belive that that just means as a licensed Marvel product but it could theoretically also mean some crossover stuff down the line.
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Quote from: EJA on Jul 03, 2020, 08:16:26 PM
We don't even know if they are crossing over with Marvel characters yet. Those drawings could just be for publicity.
The Predator art absolutely is just a fun teaser thing. I was referring more to this quote from the press release:
QuoteAlien and Predator are the two of the most identifiable, iconic characters of all time, and I love them for that. But mostly, it's being fortunate enough to be a kid when they were new. I've seen every movie they've ever been in, and I cannot wait to see them wreaking havoc in the Marvel Universe. I drew my pictures of them with a massive smile on my face.
I'm inclined to belive that that just means as a licensed Marvel product but it could theoretically also mean some crossover stuff down the line.
That's what I'm thinking too. I mean, Marvel publishes Star Wars comics, but they haven't tried to integrate that into their main superhero line.
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Quote from: EJA on Jul 03, 2020, 08:16:26 PM
We don't even know if they are crossing over with Marvel characters yet. Those drawings could just be for publicity.
The Predator art absolutely is just a fun teaser thing. I was referring more to this quote from the press release:
QuoteAlien and Predator are the two of the most identifiable, iconic characters of all time, and I love them for that. But mostly, it's being fortunate enough to be a kid when they were new. I've seen every movie they've ever been in, and I cannot wait to see them wreaking havoc in the Marvel Universe. I drew my pictures of them with a massive smile on my face.
I'm inclined to belive that that just means as a licensed Marvel product but it could theoretically also mean some crossover stuff down the line.
That's what I'm thinking too. I mean, Marvel publishes Star Wars comics, but they haven't tried to integrate that into their main superhero line.
Alien/Predator does have a history of crossovers even at Dark Horse though. Not "in continuity" of course, just things done for fun, but I know they did crossovers with various DC characters, Judge Dredd, Vampirella, Archie, etc. If we do ever see Predator vs Iron Man or what have you, I'm sure it will be in that vein.
Predator vs Kraven the Hunter seems fitting.
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Quote from: EJA on Jul 03, 2020, 08:16:26 PM
We don't even know if they are crossing over with Marvel characters yet. Those drawings could just be for publicity.
The Predator art absolutely is just a fun teaser thing. I was referring more to this quote from the press release:
QuoteAlien and Predator are the two of the most identifiable, iconic characters of all time, and I love them for that. But mostly, it's being fortunate enough to be a kid when they were new. I've seen every movie they've ever been in, and I cannot wait to see them wreaking havoc in the Marvel Universe. I drew my pictures of them with a massive smile on my face.
I'm inclined to belive that that just means as a licensed Marvel product but it could theoretically also mean some crossover stuff down the line.
That's what I'm thinking too. I mean, Marvel publishes Star Wars comics, but they haven't tried to integrate that into their main superhero line.
Alien/Predator does have a history of crossovers even at Dark Horse though. Not "in continuity" of course, just things done for fun, but I know they did crossovers with various DC characters, Judge Dredd, Vampirella, Archie, etc. If we do ever see Predator vs Iron Man or what have you, I'm sure it will be in that vein.
And DH's Comics Greatest World. Interestingly, though they clearly were not canon for the main Alien/Predator universe, they were totally in-continuity to the universe those comics took place in.
Predator vs Punisher would be cool.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 02, 2020, 07:02:12 PM
I'll never understand the love for Dead Orbit, the first half sucks and the second half is only passable.
Also, "HGK! HGK! HGK! HGK!"
I couldn't agree more. It's fan-fiction at best. A Mad-magazine spoof at worst. Just ridiculous.
Quote from: Disney need sorting out. on Jul 02, 2020, 07:03:20 PM
"This position gives Disney the ability to offer lower-quality products, crush competitors, squeeze profits from other markets, influence politicians in its favor, and more. As the controversy around modern monopolies heats up, it is becoming clear that we need a generalized revitalization of antitrust law in the United States. As part of such a campaign, Disney too must be identified as a monopolistic corporate titan in severe need of being broken up into a number of smaller companies in order to restore both fair competition and the sanctity of American democracy"
I am actually looking forward to the Marvel Alien comics, but I have to say what you wrote above is correct in many ways. Disney is impossible to compete with and antitrust laws should come into play here to divide it into several smaller companies.
QuoteThere is no anti SM, but it feels bro sometimes like when ever I voice my opinion he's always there ready to pounce and pick holes in everything and anything I say. I respond and always get looked at as the bad guy
I have no recollection of posting stuff about the The Predator when it was in production nor do I have any recollection who you are. So you can rest assured that I'm solely responding to bad takes and not you personally.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jul 02, 2020, 11:48:43 PM
Super Power Smackdown is cool, and the W vs P edition is a lot of fun! I was thinking of that, and thanks to Mr. Turok for posting the link.
The best DH Alien and Predator stuff was wonderful! Thanks to them for doing that.
I've read a fair amount of new Marvel Star Wars. There is a lot of love for the characters and the lore in the writing and the artwork. I think a lot of hard work goes into those books. They're not phoning it in. If that spirit carries over to new Alien and Predator comics, everything should be fine. I hope for the best and look forward to seeing what they do.
Yes, this is something which brings hope. The Aliens series once had the power to be the number 2 of the big space sci-fi series before Alien 3 derailed things. If Disney recognizes this and they try set the series straight we could be in for something great.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 11:56:12 PM
Just reread Marvel's press release (https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/marvel-comics-to-publish-new-alien-and-predator-stories) and missed the first time around that the Alien piece is actually being referred to a cover. The Predator one, on the other hand, is just a teaser. So I guess, whatever the initial Alien comic run is, that's the cover for issue 1? If that's reflective of the interior artwork, then I guess the first run will have a proper "Big Chap" right off the bat, which is interesting.
I also note they're referring to it as "Alien" not "Aliens" which seems misguided to me.
It also seems like a slap in the face to DH go suggest that the culmination of the series occurred in 2004 with AVP. Whaaat? That totally ignores the DH work that AVP relied on.
I'd rather see "Alien" as the branding than "Aliens," honestly. Aliens is just one film, and not even the first one at that.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jul 03, 2020, 02:12:42 AM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 07:13:53 PM
sounds like it's time for tristan jones to make some friends at marvel
Easier said than done, especially from Australia... :/
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2020, 07:49:25 PM
Preferably with a good writer this time around. Or, even better, with him as the writer.
I adored his art in Defiance but that was really all I cared for in the run.
Thank you! And the only writer I work with these days is me. Might work against me, but I spent 4 years on the TMNT doing story, so I know I can do both.
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 02, 2020, 09:16:29 PM
he teased a project he pitched two years ago that would have been an alien: isolation sequel which "was meant to be amanda ripley after crashing a ship somewhere on lv426, discovering an ancient engineer facility or temple ruins"
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obviously never came to fruition, probably because of the plans fox had for amanda at the time, but it would have been glorious to see
I was actually deliberately sitting on this until I knew where Ridley's last film was going. I can't say I'm surprised the license went to Marvel. Spencer did give me the heads up it would probably happen. I'm just a bit gutted about the Predator one because I was invited to do that but likewise sat on that until things at home cleared up a bit. But who knows. I don't know the editor at all, but maybe some where down the line I'll be able to do both.
Quote from: SM on Jul 02, 2020, 10:19:17 PM
Dark Horse did some great stuff. And some - to be kind - mediocre stuff. The change to Marvel depends on the writers and artists they hire.
This. It also depends on how they decide to tell stories -- the Star Wars model seems fraught to me.
I guess if anything it means Marvel will reprint everything again in the big COMPLETE EDITIONS they've been doing with Conan.
I think one of the few things us Aliens fans can agree on is that your style of art is what we love to see in the comics. I think I speak for most fans on here when I say that we have your back with a united voice in wanting to see your work become a part of the future of Aliens comics at Marvel.
QuoteI couldn't agree more. It's fan-fiction at best. A Mad-magazine spoof at worst. Just ridiculous.
Why?
The T-Rex mentioned the Star Wars model being fraught. What's the Star Wars model? I haven't read a Star Wars comic for about 20 years.
I had no idea there were fans that actively disliked Dead Orbit. :o
it's not my absolute favorite, but dead orbit was an awesome addition to the series
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Same. It was good to see a different style of artwork, and the story was a constant out of the frying pan, into the fire, then out of the fire and onto the floor which is also on fire.
totally agree on both points
by the way, have you seen his grip style? think it's something some left-handed artists choose to do, but it seems extremely difficult
(https://www.thesnipenews.com/thegutter/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/stokoe.jpg)
:o
I guess people learn how they learn.
The look of the Alien itself being the one thing I don't care for.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jul 04, 2020, 12:46:12 AM
The look of the Alien itself being the one thing I don't care for.
Agreed, pretty much my only nitpick.
The human tech though, I love. It might be my favorite comic book interpretation of the Alien universe's human tech style, alongside Alien: The Illustrated Story.
I just wanted to add my two cents to what EVIL was saying earlier. This is specifically to SM, Jonsey, and 426. Nothing he said was racist, homophobic, or sexist. His whole point was that their is a trend in a lot of movie studios and comics especially Disney where they will make a character just for the point of them being a minority. These characters typically end up being written very poorly and are uninteresting, the reason why people are getting so annoyed with these types of characters is because people will them say that you are this or that if you say that they are a poorly written character. A good example of this is Rey from Star Wars. And on the whole marvel as always been political yes you are correct they have been, but they were put in very subtly and not in your face like how it's done now.
Often true.
Would Rey have suddenly been more interesting or better written if she were male?
Of course not. That's the whole underlying bigotry of the argument; it's not that Rey's a badly written character, it's that she's a badly written character because they made her a woman to force diversity, and that somehow broke everything.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2020, 07:46:24 AM
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 07:42:21 AM
Well she has Latino in her regardless.
Of course, but why not portray her as a white Latina -- they do exist, clearly, and even Disney featured one in Big Hero Six -- instead of putting her in brown face? That was the problem.
I'm Australian, that wouldn't make it OK to put me in black face and have me play an indigenous Australian.
Isn't part of the definition of acting to put on a performance of being someone you're not?
If that's your takeaway of the history of black face and minstrel shows I've really got nothing for you.
Yeah, it doesn't really matter how many boxes they tick on the representation checklist if the writing is poor. If anything, it does a disservice to the very people they're ostensibly trying to help.
The best way to get genuine representation for a character, obviously being, getting people for who it concerns involved in the writing and characterisation, no such thing as forced diversity far as I'm concerned, apart from if it's intended as a historical and for whatever reason the decision's incongruous with the history.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2020, 04:24:24 AM
Yeah, it doesn't really matter how many boxes they tick on the representation checklist if the writing is poor. If anything, it does a disservice to the very people they're ostensibly trying to help.
But if they're poorly written heterosexual white guys, is everything fine?
The notion that POC, female, or LGBTQI characters are only worthwhile if they're particularly well written just feels like more fuel to not include them. "Don't be diverse if they're not perfectly well written, just stick with the default" feels kind of shitty?
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 01:48:31 PM
Local trouble that's jasmine from Aladdin. She's Asian not black.
Jasmine wasn't Asian, she was Persian.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 03, 2020, 11:55:12 PM
I had no idea there were fans that actively disliked Dead Orbit. :o
Same
Quote from: SiL on Jul 04, 2020, 05:08:39 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2020, 04:24:24 AM
Yeah, it doesn't really matter how many boxes they tick on the representation checklist if the writing is poor. If anything, it does a disservice to the very people they're ostensibly trying to help.
But if they're poorly written heterosexual white guys, is everything fine?
No, they suck too.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 04, 2020, 05:08:39 AMThe notion that POC, female, or LGBTQI characters are only worthwhile if they're particularly well written just feels like more fuel to not include them. "Don't be diverse if they're not perfectly well written, just stick with the default" feels kind of shitty?
I think it's more "don't just be diverse and just call it a day, hoping that you'll get by on that alone." I'll take a well-written lesbian POC over the live-action Anakin Skywalker any day.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2020, 05:30:17 AM
I think it's more "don't just be diverse and just call it a day, hoping that you'll get by on that alone." I'll take a well-written lesbian POC over the live-action Anakin Skywalker any day.
You're still comparing a well-written character to a poorly written character, at which point why does the lesbian POC part become relevant?
That's my problem here -- the line between "bad writing" and "forced diversity" is whether the character is something other than a straight white dude.
Blah blah blah
Quote from: MaineXeno on Jul 04, 2020, 03:19:32 AM
I just wanted to add my two cents to what EVIL was saying earlier. This is specifically to SM, Jonsey, and 426. Nothing he said was racist, homophobic, or sexist. His whole point was that their is a trend in a lot of movie studios and comics especially Disney where they will make a character just for the point of them being a minority. These characters typically end up being written very poorly and are uninteresting, the reason why people are getting so annoyed with these types of characters is because people will them say that you are this or that if you say that they are a poorly written character. A good example of this is Rey from Star Wars. And on the whole marvel as always been political yes you are correct they have been, but they were put in very subtly and not in your face like how it's done now.
Yeah because Iron Fist and Luke Cage are oh so subtle.
:laugh:
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jul 04, 2020, 05:45:16 AM
It's just not cool using people's very real marginalised identities to bump your sales, whilst simultaneously (to go back to the sequel trilogy) cutting Finn out of your Chinese posters. (Not to mention shit like turning your American-Guatemalan character into a dru- I mean, spice runner.)
What really drives me crazy, is people saying I'm (insert derogatory adjective of choice and that's the only reason I don't like Y) for saying "I do not like X thing, it's bad, Y is a bad character."
No such thing as forced diversity as far as I'm concerned, unless you're making a (intended to be faithful) historical thing, and for whatever reason you made a casting/character decision that's incongruous with the time and place.
No arguments here for any of that. What they did to John Boyega was appalling, and filling your diverse cast with diverse racial stereotypes is some fierce bullshit.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 04, 2020, 05:41:37 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2020, 05:30:17 AM
I think it's more "don't just be diverse and just call it a day, hoping that you'll get by on that alone." I'll take a well-written lesbian POC over the live-action Anakin Skywalker any day.
You're still comparing a well-written character to a poorly written character, at which point why does the lesbian POC part become relevant?
That's my problem here -- the line between "bad writing" and "forced diversity" is whether the character is something other than a straight white dude.
I'm honestly not sure what we're at odds about now.
I don't think we are, we're just getting stuck on semantics.
The forced diversity - bad writing distinction was more of a general comment to some people's argument in this thread, not you in particular.
IIRC, wasn't the original script for Alien written so the characters could be any race or gender?
Late to the party here but when the Disney purchase happened, I saw this a thousand miles away-- and it was only a matter of when this was going to happen. I didn't want to believe it, I didn't want it to happen but it did. If it happened to the Star Wars franchise, it most certainly was going to happen to Alien and Predator. Sure, from a business standpoint... it makes sense for Disney to have these properties produced by a subsidiary publisher but it doesn't mean that we have to like it... God knows, I most certainly don't considering this is the f**king mouse we're talking about.
I'll be honest, I haven't read a Dark Horse title since Fire and Stone happened but I do appreciate the world building and the characters which Dark Horse have presented to us. Like a lot of you, I definitely grew up on those comics and those stories were definitely entertaining. They even have inspired me to create my own Alien vs. Predator characters and settings for roleplaying and fan-fiction. I loved everything from 1989 to 2009 which Dark Horse has produced... I cannot comment on Fire and Stone, Life and Death, Thicker than Blood, Defiance, etc... because I chose not to read those stories. However, I did read a few of the recent crossovers such as Dread vs Alien vs Predator.... Archie crossover not counting of course.
So... hearing that Marvel definitely has the franchises now... Well, as someone who is reading Donny Cates Venom book, and Spider-Gwen/Ghost Spider... While also being aware of what Marvel is doing with their own titles, and hearing the fan-reception of Star Wars... It doesn't leave me with confidence. Now don't get me wrong, I enjoy Venom and Spider-Gwen, but they're different animals compared to Alien and Predator. Dark Horse built upon what the movies laid upon, and as far as I know of Marvel... their runs on licensed properties really didn't feel like they were part of the movies, of course I speak of Marvel's limited runs on Robocop and The Terminator. Dark Horse, to me... made their comics feel like they were part of the movies.
Marvel also did Godzilla, who they... surprisingly integrated into Earth-616 and as far as I know, Godzilla is still a part of the Marvel universe, and at one point-- they even integrated Transformers and G.I. Joe as part of Earth-616 before they were retconned as a separate universe from the main Marvel universe. I don't think we're going to see Aliens and Predators integrated into the Marvel Universe, but I don't think crossovers are off the table.
But... I worry about the treatment of the characters, as well as the lore...
Oh, I'm expecting a big de-canonization of the Dark Horse stories... I don't like the potential of that, but I also don't like the idea of Marvel continuing and treading on what Dark Horse has done. Maybe de-canonization would be better in hind-sight... I just don't want them touching Machiko and Dachande.
But all in all... this is really the end of an era, and perhaps the Alien vs. Predator Universe as we know it.
...Peace.
Oh and uh.. Addendum here... Guys, if you don't like the new Disney-Marvel AVP material for the canon or EU material... There's an alternate canon you can follow...Cause, in Dredd canon-- Aliens and Predators exist canonically in there. So, if you want an alternate AVP canon... Look to Dredd's Aliens and Predators. ;)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2020, 06:14:55 AM
IIRC, wasn't the original script for Alien written so the characters could be any race or gender?
Yeah, there's a note saying the roles are intersex and can be played by anyone.
Quote from: judge death on Jul 03, 2020, 06:45:06 PM
I think he is spot on, no R rating, predator hunting androids hell have iron man looking head on the front cover xD and in the marvel press release they only mention the movies and how great they are but nowhere a mention to the comics of the old and how great they were too, in many ways Dark horse kept alien franchise alive but marvel only say: it will be great to have them in our comics, clearly showing they wont respect the old comics:
Judge, I'd suggest having a read back through the read as the rating and continuity has been talked about and pointed out earlier. There's plenty of examples of some severe violence in Marvel's recent titles and the press release also talked about building on classic characters, and decades of multimedia storytelling. I don't think it's so clear cut we're in for a Legends situation.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2020, 08:36:55 PM
Alien/Predator does have a history of crossovers even at Dark Horse though. Not "in continuity" of course, just things done for fun, but I know they did crossovers with various DC characters, Judge Dredd, Vampirella, Archie, etc. If we do ever see Predator vs Iron Man or what have you, I'm sure it will be in that vein.
Aside from AvP, I never used to be fond of the crossover titles but over the last 2 or 3 years I've been revisiting the DC crossovers and finding I actually enjoy a good chunk of them! The Batman vs. Predators particularly are really fun! I certainly hope Marvel kick off their new Alien and Predator series with individual titles and do mostly that, but I'd not turn my nose up at some crossovers with their other characters.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 04, 2020, 06:20:30 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2020, 06:14:55 AM
IIRC, wasn't the original script for Alien written so the characters could be any race or gender?
Yeah, there's a note saying the roles are intersex and can be played by anyone.
Really, I think that should be how a lot should be cast anyway. Ethnicity and etc included.
I think in a good 90% of films the race, gender, sex, and orientation of the characters is so irrelevant you might as well make it completely open casting.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 04, 2020, 06:16:32 AM
Oh, I'm expecting a big de-canonization of the Dark Horse stories...
To be de-canonized, these stories must first be canon. And there are few questions:
- in relation to what, are DH stories a canon? If in relation to themselves or the resulting subseries, then this is such a small sub-canon that it is not even taken into count. I'm not even sure that this can in principle be called a canon.
- Are old stories the canon of today? Is Aliens: Outbreak a canon for the Alien 3: Unproduced Screenplay; or is Aliens: Pig a canon for Dead Orbit? No. There is no canon, not even continuity.
- In any case (at the maximum) if Marvel de-canonizes and rewrites stories like Resistance & Rescue (which are the canon for the Defiance series) - will you really be upset?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 03, 2020, 10:31:08 PM
I've read a fair amount of new Marvel Star Wars. There is a lot of love for the characters and the lore in the writing and the artwork. I think a lot of hard work goes into those books. They're not phoning it in. If that spirit carries over to new Alien and Predator comics, everything should be fine. I hope for the best and look forward to seeing what they do.
If with Disney we never get anything like Alien 3 - that's good! Of course, this does not cancel the billion inconvenient moments that Disney itself generates, but this is another topic...
After Star Wars "whining directors trilogy", I don't believe Disney. But the "Stories" were great. I think that while Disney is not trying to establish a "canon" everything works for them as it should. And this is... the perfect soil for comics. It's too early to talk about films. But I would look with interest at Marvel comics.
Defiance, Resistance, Rescue, Dead Orbit, Dust to Dust are all currently canon.
Pig sadly not.
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2020, 11:40:44 AM
Defiance, Resistance, Rescue, Dead Orbit, Dust to Dust are all currently canon.
Pig sadly not.
Probably the best words to describe all the "power" of the word canon.
It's make believe; not history. It's easier to change.
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I really, really, really hope this does not evolve in films too. If it does then I'm ignoring anything new involved with the Alien franchise and paying no interest to any related news.
Quote from: judge death on Jul 03, 2020, 06:45:06 PM
Although I disagree with MR H on a lot but I gotta agree with him on this and based on what disney done to star wars and most franchises and the stuff marvel is releasing the last 5 years, I think he is spot on, no R rating, predator hunting androids hell have iron man looking head on the front cover xD and in the marvel press release they only mention the movies and how great they are but nowhere a mention to the comics of the old and how great they were too, in many ways Dark horse kept alien franchise alive but marvel only say: it will be great to have them in our comics, clearly showing they wont respect the old comics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofm08_lNOtY
But even Dark Horse doesn't respect its old comics. First they retconned the Verheiden series, and now none of that old work is canon. I mean they respect it as good works of literature that get republished, but it has all been outmoded and treated as "Legends" just like Marvel's Star Wars.
Dark Horse seemed to be "resetting" every few years and, frankly, that's fine by me. I don't really need an expensive Alien multimedia universe. Just tell some good stories, continuity be dammed.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2020, 07:54:28 PM
They did throw "Marvel Universe" around in the press release, so anything is possible.
Gotta say, crossover stuff doesn't interest me in the slightest (even AVP) so I'm not at all looking forward to any of that, but some people are, so for them I hope it is good.
For myself, I'll most likely be sticking with the solo Alien material.
Yes, it's hard to interpret what Marvel Universe means in this case. Star Wars comics are published under Marvel, so from a publishing perspective they are a part of the Marvel Universe, but...
Even the Marvel universe consists of many parallel universes, the main being Earth-616. So for example, the Zombies Marvel Universe is not canon to the Earth-616 series. They also publish a What If? series, where explorations take place in a non-canonic way of different events. There are many different ways to interpret Aliens coming to the Marvel Universe.
Fox nixed the original Verheiden run when they made Alien 3. Then Resurrection took care of everything else.
Quote from: irn on Jul 04, 2020, 12:04:19 PM
I really, really, really hope this does not evolve in films too. If it does then I'm ignoring anything new involved with the Alien franchise and paying no interest to any related news.
You hope what doesn't evolve into the films?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2020, 12:00:11 PM
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 03, 2020, 08:46:18 PM
Predator vs Kraven the Hunter seems fitting.
Also Predator in the Savage Land hinging dinosaurs would be cool.
Predator in the Savage Land would be cool, also vs. the Savage Avengers (including Elektra and Conan).
But........I have a feeling it won't happen. It's been stressed since that neither Alien nor Predator will be integrated into the Marvel continuity.
Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2020, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: irn on Jul 04, 2020, 12:04:19 PM
I really, really, really hope this does not evolve in films too. If it does then I'm ignoring anything new involved with the Alien franchise and paying no interest to any related news.
You hope what doesn't evolve into the films?
Hey, you're not allowed to rent here anymore!
Quote from: SiL on Jul 04, 2020, 03:39:26 AM
If that's your takeaway of the history of black face and minstrel shows I've really got nothing for you.
You're putting everything in North American context here. What about in a country that has no history of bigotry against a given group of people, and also has practically no minorities? What if people from such a country want to make a film that features people of a different race but actually spoken in that country's own language? Perhaps those people of the different race are literally not available. Why would this country feel any reserve or even guilt for trying to represent a different race or group of people to the best of their ability with the resources they have available?
Is it ok for a straight actor to play a gay person? Is it ok for a fully-abled person to play a person with disabilities? Is it ok for a male to play a female? Is it ok for a person from Columbia to play a person from Mexico? Are we going to develop rules here too? Why? Or why not?
Why is a film like "White Chicks" ok?
I totally get what you're saying about black-face being inappropriate in the American context but I question what the future will bring in terms of what representation is permissible.
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 04, 2020, 05:09:23 AM
Quote from: EVILthePREDATOR on Jul 03, 2020, 01:48:31 PM
Local trouble that's jasmine from Aladdin. She's Asian not black.
Jasmine wasn't Asian, she was Persian.
Not to be nit-picky, but Persia, or Iran is in Asia.
Quote from: MaineXeno on Jul 04, 2020, 03:19:32 AM
I just wanted to add my two cents to what EVIL was saying earlier. This is specifically to SM, Jonsey, and 426. Nothing he said was racist, homophobic, or sexist. His whole point was that their is a trend in a lot of movie studios and comics especially Disney where they will make a character just for the point of them being a minority. These characters typically end up being written very poorly and are uninteresting, the reason why people are getting so annoyed with these types of characters is because people will them say that you are this or that if you say that they are a poorly written character. A good example of this is Rey from Star Wars. And on the whole marvel as always been political yes you are correct they have been, but they were put in very subtly and not in your face like how it's done now.
I wouldn't say being in your face with the politics is a recent thing. That's hyperbole that gets thrown around all the time when it comes to politics in comics. It's definitely more noticeable given the United States recent dumpster fire of a political climate but this has been a known thing for awhile. Bad characters or characterization are not exclusive to Disney or Marvel and requires the right creative teams. That being said it's not like either franchise hasn't been freakishly open about how they treat women, the subject of rape, corporate greed, freedom versus security (which is especially prevalent in modern comics thanks to 9/11), and how we fetish violence. Hunters 2 even takes a trip to the middle east and has to tip-toe around the mine field that is the United States role in the region while writing a story about Rastafarian slashers.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2020, 01:15:44 PM
But even Dark Horse doesn't respect its old comics. First they retconned the Verheiden series, and now none of that old work is canon. I mean they respect it as good works of literature that get republished, but it has all been outmoded and treated as "Legends" just like Marvel's Star Wars.
This.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 04, 2020, 01:23:44 PM
Dark Horse seemed to be "resetting" every few years and, frankly, that's fine by me. I don't really need an expensive Alien multimedia universe. Just tell some good stories, continuity be dammed.
And this.
In my opinion, Verheiden is the same significant person for the Alien universe as ADF; along with writers and directors for films.
I would place Verheiden in third place of importance behind the creators of Alien and Aliens.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2020, 02:06:52 PM
You're putting everything in North American context here.
I'm Aussie, mate. Minstrel shows are European. It's almost like it's a far reaching issue.
QuoteWhat about in a country that has no history of bigotry against a given group of people, and also has practically no minorities? What if people from such a country want to make a film that features people of a different race but actually spoken in that country's own language? Perhaps those people of the different race are literally not available. Why would this country feel any reserve or even guilt for trying to represent a different race or group of people to the best of their ability with the resources they have available?
Name the country.
QuoteI totally get what you're saying about black-face being inappropriate in the American context but I question what the future will bring in terms of what representation is permissible.
If you think it's an American thing you clearly don't get what I'm saying. The future seems to be aiming towards getting people of diverse groups to represent themselves - why do you seem to be talking like that's a bad thing?
*Peaks into comic book thread*
*Fetishes, Rastafarian Slashers, 9/11, and Star Wars*
"Thread evolution appears typical. Recommend continued surveillance".
I agree it's the "Alien" franchise Aliens and Alien³ being particular entries.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 04, 2020, 08:49:41 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2020, 02:06:52 PM
You're putting everything in North American context here.
I'm Aussie, mate. Minstrel shows are European. It's almost like it's a far reaching issue.
QuoteWhat about in a country that has no history of bigotry against a given group of people, and also has practically no minorities? What if people from such a country want to make a film that features people of a different race but actually spoken in that country's own language? Perhaps those people of the different race are literally not available. Why would this country feel any reserve or even guilt for trying to represent a different race or group of people to the best of their ability with the resources they have available?
Name the country.
QuoteI totally get what you're saying about black-face being inappropriate in the American context but I question what the future will bring in terms of what representation is permissible.
If you think it's an American thing you clearly don't get what I'm saying. The future seems to be aiming towards getting people of diverse groups to represent themselves - why do you seem to be talking like that's a bad thing?
We are using the word "representation" to mean something different. In the sense I was using, a person could represent another person while acting regardless of who they are. This is the essence of improvisation, for example where one could draw from a hat certain characteristics and play those out regardless of their sex, age, or ethnicity in theory. You're talking about representation in the sense that a certain group is included in film for the sake of being acknowledged. I did not express an opposition to that idea anywhere.
To simplify things, if you accept that acting is an activity where people pretend to be people who they are not, you realize that there is an unlimited scope of portrayal possibilities by definition. If you continue to extrapolate the trend of authentic representation, you will come to a point eventually where acting ability is secondary to the task of portraying another person. Eg. A car mechanic will only be able to be played by a car mechanic. Is that still acting? That's all I'm getting at.
Anyway regarding inclusivity the "Alien" franchise always pioneered.
SciFied right onto the news. (http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/marvel-now-own-rights-alien-predator)
QuoteDavid Fincher produced a couple teaser covers
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Quote from: SM on Jul 04, 2020, 11:53:49 PM
SciFied right onto the news. (http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/marvel-now-own-rights-alien-predator)
QuoteDavid Fincher produced a couple teaser covers
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:D
I was wondering when that would happen! ;D Now he's going to come back to do a sequel for sure.
It's unfortunate that he resorted to working as a comic artist for Marvel. Poor guy never recovered after Alien3. :laugh:
God damn I hate sci fied lol
:laugh: first time i've visited a scified page in years, nice to see that user with the gonzo avatar is still posting in every single thread on that board
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 05, 2020, 01:37:45 AM
It's unfortunate that he resorted to working as a comic artist for Marvel. Poor guy never recovered after Alien3. :laugh:
What if the people behind Scified are the same dudes from We Got This Covered? ???
I do have to say, I like the way the Xenomorphs (at least from that one image) don't look anorexic and actually looks like a physically intimidating killing machine.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 05, 2020, 02:25:05 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 05, 2020, 01:37:45 AM
It's unfortunate that he resorted to working as a comic artist for Marvel. Poor guy never recovered after Alien3. :laugh:
That wouldn't surprise me!! Lmmfao
What if the people behind Scified are the same dudes from We Got This Covered? ???
No! Please! No more David Fincher - the destroyer! :D I find his strong influence on RS.
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 05, 2020, 01:54:22 AM
:laugh: first time i've visited a scified page in years, nice to see that user with the gonzo avatar is still posting in every single thread on that board
Yeah imagine posting that much.
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I'll just show myself out.
Quote from: SM on Jul 05, 2020, 07:44:12 AM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 05, 2020, 01:54:22 AM
:laugh: first time i've visited a scified page in years, nice to see that user with the gonzo avatar is still posting in every single thread on that board
Yeah imagine posting that much.
...
I'll just show myself out.
Hahahahahaha xD Gave me a laugh :P
I'm concerned by how much excitement I'm seeing on Twitter. "I can't wait to see Iron Man face off with a Predator!" "Venom Vs. Alien PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!"
This is so f**king lame.
I enjoy some capeshit now and then, but Predator and especially Alien are so far above that. To me, this is like Batman Vs. The Godfather. I love Batman, but can't people see how tacky that would be? Either people respect superheroes way more than I do or they don't respect Alien half as much as I do.
I worry that Avenger crossovers will just rope in more casual action fans who want nothing more than colonial marine wankfests, and Alien will officially no longer be a horror franchise.
Maybe some people just want a fun story with characters they like?
Whether we'd like to see it or not, I'm 99% sure it won't happen anyway.
Having said that though, I personally don't think it would be that difficult for Predator to coexist with the Marvel superhero universe. But Alien? Hmm, yeah, that's a bit more difficult, IMO.
I'm sure there will be crossovers. But they'll have same weight as all the other superhero crossovers.
As mentioned above - here is a great example for a crossover.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 03, 2020, 08:46:18 PM
Predator vs Kraven the Hunter seems fitting.
I believe that the main thing is to choose the right characters. Deadpool vs Aliens is probably not the most successful thing in the world. But the Punisher vs Predator may work. Plus, you get a beautiful acronym for free - PvP. :o
Quote from: David's Creation on Jul 05, 2020, 07:56:18 AM
I enjoy some capeshit now and then, but Predator and especially Alien are so far above that. To me, this is like Batman Vs. The Godfather. I love Batman, but can't people see how tacky that would be? Either people respect superheroes way more than I do or they don't respect Alien half as much as I do.
Batman fought Predator and it was probably the best crossover since AvP. It fit so well with both franchises it was uncanny.
Speaking of, Aliens and Predators have already fought Superman, Batman, Judge Dredd, and a host of other comic characters. You've missed the boat on saying they're "above it" -- they've been in the thick of it for decades.
As fun little side stories in comics that have no bearing on the main film series. That's fine.
But I'm worried that money will push the entire franchise as a whole into PG-13 action territory, and these reactions on Twitter aren't quelling that fear.
Quote from: David's Creation on Jul 05, 2020, 10:28:50 AM
As fun little side stories in comics that have no bearing on the main film series. That's fine.
But I'm worried that money will push the entire franchise as a whole into PG-13 action territory, and these reactions on Twitter aren't quelling that fear.
The comics have never had a bearing on the film series and I see no reason they'd start now.
Because Disney owns the property and a toned down future is already a concern.
I'm not saying the comics will affect the films, I'm saying the public reactions that we're already seeing will.
The most popular entry in this horror franchise is an action film. The majority of fans just seem to want more marines shooting aliens, and a lot of them seem open to PG-13 entries because the horror isn't a significant element for them.
Disney probably sees that and they're going to capitalize on it, and those of us who value tension and body horror in this franchise will be out of luck.
People have wanted more marines shooting Aliens since 1986, this isn't new.
What fans are open to a PG-13 movie? Last I checked AvP still got shit for that.
Disney is still running 20th Century Studios as a sub-division which can more than handle R-rated material. This is precisely what they've done in the past with divisions such as Mirimax, which made most of Tarantino's early films and even the Scream movies.
Yes, that's right. Pulp Fiction is a Disney movie.
Technically, I think the
forced element of horror did a disservice to Prometheus and Covenant.
Stupid behavior of characters - aimed at provoking danger. Instead of avoiding.
Many meaningless deaths just because. Janek, Chance, Ravel, Vickers (especially!), no-name mercenaries, no-name Daniel's husband, Karine, Cole, Ricks & Upworth. It seems that in these films, in a logical way, there were many survivors and the writers were simply forced (and lazily) to reduce their numbers.
But I'm talking about horror elements. I also think the PG-13 is totally unacceptable. There can be no debate here. Shaw's operation, chestbursters, acid shower, bitten off heads - this should all be preserved.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 05, 2020, 11:42:48 AM
Yes, that's right. Pulp Fiction is a Disney movie.
1994. Not an argument. Need a fresh example.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 05, 2020, 11:42:48 AM
What fans are open to a PG-13 movie?
I've seen a handful of "I don't care if PG-13 as long as it's gud." Hopefully these are just a few anecdotal examples and my concern is unfounded.
It does seem like current Conan is still pretty violent. But Alien and Predator are bigger IP's than Conan today and if Disney wanted to sell PG-13 marine shoot-em-ups, I think they could sadly do well financially.
(And I know Pulp Fiction is a Disney film, but that was before the Twitter mob existed.)
Quote from: David's Creation on Jul 05, 2020, 12:28:16 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 05, 2020, 11:42:48 AM
What fans are open to a PG-13 movie?
I've seen a handful of "I don't care if PG-13 as long as it's gud." Hopefully these are just a few anecdotal examples and my concern is unfounded.
It does seem like current Conan is still pretty violent. But Alien and Predator are bigger IP's than Conan today and if Disney wanted to sell PG-13 marine shoot-em-ups, I think they could sadly do well financially.
(And I know Pulp Fiction is a Disney film, but that was before the Twitter mob existed.)
If disney sees positive interest from people like you say and especielly younger ones and they decide to add aliens to the avenger movies or most of their hero or venom movies etc it will be pg-13 and people wont mind it, avengers end game is the biggest movie of all time, it wont be good news for us alien fans however and if we do get our own movies it will be tame compared to what we got earlier, unles they allow ridley scott to make his third prequel movie which I doubt.
Pulp fiction was pretty lame when I watched it, when he shot the guy in the car we only see the blood on the window, wow. Then the bdsm part was lame too, not much gore, I was expecting kill bill level of gore but nope :/
Quote from: David's Creation on Jul 05, 2020, 12:28:16 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 05, 2020, 11:42:48 AM
What fans are open to a PG-13 movie?
I've seen a handful of "I don't care if PG-13 as long as it's gud." Hopefully these are just a few anecdotal examples and my concern is unfounded.
It does seem like current Conan is still pretty violent. But Alien and Predator are bigger IP's than Conan today and if Disney wanted to sell PG-13 marine shoot-em-ups, I think they could sadly do well financially.
(And I know Pulp Fiction is a Disney film, but that was before the Twitter mob existed.)
In terms of comic sales Conan outsells Aliens and Predator 3 to 1. People often underestimate how popular Conan is but Conan has been doing better in the sales department since the move to Marvel which leads to more stories getting made (which is what i'm optimistic about regarding Marvel's acquiring A, P & AVP).
Quote from: Drukathi on Jul 05, 2020, 11:50:20 AM
1994. Not an argument. Need a fresh example.
The fact they have a history of using subsidiaries to release adult content isn't an argument?
Touchstone was another company Disney introduced specifically to do stuff they couldn't do under the Disney brand. They do this in pretty regular cycles. The company understands that not everyone who watches films wants PG-13 fare.
Quote from: David's Creation on Jul 05, 2020, 12:28:16 PM
(And I know Pulp Fiction is a Disney film, but that was before the Twitter mob existed.)
The Twitter mob has nothing to do with what Disney releases under subsidiaries?
There's nothing inherently wrong about a PG-13 take. Both creatures work fine in a PG-13 setting, the problem AVP had in that regard was they didn't know what they could or couldn't show. And thus the film had some lame blood and gore FX as a result but not every film needs a spine rip or a lot of swearing. That being said we've gotten some violence in movies since. The end of Fallen Kingdom for example has the Trex eat a dude while he's still screaming and another animal comes along to take his severed leg, PG-13. Thanos is even decapitated and they still got away with a PG-13. It's all in the presentation and so if it works just fine I don't care about the rating.
I really don't think Disney bought the entirety of 20th Century Fox just to never make an R-rated film using any of those properties under the new 20th Century Studios banner.
The Aliens, Predator and AVP Essential Comics Volume 2's have been removed from Dark Horse's website. They are each still showing as pre-orders on Amazon and Forbidden Planet but I've got a feeling they might have all been cancelled as a result of this deal. Shame because I was hoping to collect all of these volumes. Hopefully Marvel will do similar releases.
Immortal Hulk features plenty of graphic body horror. Seriously, there are times I read it, and say that line from John Carpenter's The Thing to myself: "You gotta be f****** kidding!"
I remember people were complaining because the actor that plays sulu is Korean and not Japanese, i dont even know if they are different races. isnst that the that the same as the hugh jackman playing a Canadian in xmen even though hes Australian?
Quote from: RhubarbLeaves on Jul 05, 2020, 01:15:24 PM
The Aliens, Predator and AVP Essential Comics Volume 2's have been removed from Dark Horse's website. They are each still showing as pre-orders on Amazon and Forbidden Planet but I've got a feeling they might have all been cancelled as a result of this deal. Shame because I was hoping to collect all of these volumes. Hopefully Marvel will do similar releases.
If they follow suit with how they handled the Dark Horse Star Wars material, there will be a lot of Alien/Predator Epic Collections in the future.
Well I already own all the DH Predator omnibuses, and some of the Aliens ones, so it's not really an issue for me.
Aye, more a collection of issues, I'd say.
Quote from: SM on Jul 05, 2020, 07:44:12 AM
Yeah imagine posting that much.
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I'll just show myself out.
:laugh: i could never grow tired of your delightful posts!
I think they should do several different levels of comics. That would solve a lot of issues. I don't even care if there's continuity between them.
Alien comics - should be rated R and feature more body horror or just horror aspects. It should be published under the MAX imprint. These comics could encompass the entire Alien film series as a whole and give the darker fans among us what they are looking for. There could be canon and non-canon stories and series here. The Alien film logo should be used.
Alien Alternative comics - this is where film stories like adaptations of alternate scripts could exist. The Alien logo should be redesigned to work with each alternative story, just like it is done in film.
Aliens comics - should be on the border of pg-13 and the R rating. They should continue the action themes of the Aliens movie and perhaps even disregard Alien 3 and Resurrection. I've said this before and I'll say it again, Aliens is practically a Disney film as it is. Newt is a Disney princess for all intents and purposes. Here's to happy endings. Run with it! This should be done with the Aliens logo.
Prometheus comics - could focus on the cosmic wonder of Engineer creation and related subjects with the occasional visit from the Aliens. Use one of the Prometheus logos for this.
Alien vs. _________ (fill in the blank) - these stories could be done as non-canon fun tales. I want to see Hawkeye vs. Aliens. ;D
Predator comics - whatever. Sorry folks, I'm not a fan, though I'm sure something along the lines of the above could be made to work.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 05, 2020, 05:22:42 PM
Predator comics - whatever. Sorry folks, I'm not a fan, though I'm sure something along the lines of the above could be made to work.
"Predator comics - whatever?"
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I love all of it - Alien, Aliens, AVP, Predator.
whatever they are just make them good.
My heart breaks for the future of the Hunters series. Predator had finally hit it's peak in the comics.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 05, 2020, 05:37:07 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 05, 2020, 05:22:42 PM
Predator comics - whatever. Sorry folks, I'm not a fan, though I'm sure something along the lines of the above could be made to work.
"Predator comics - whatever?"
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Sorry Bro, you're definitely entitled to like what you like. lol. I'm just teasing. I'm sure some great ideas can be figured out for Predators. Just not my thing
I don't see myself touching anything with Predator in the title either, to be honest. :D I enjoy the first two films a lot (especially the second one) but the concept just doesn't interest me a ton beyond that.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 05, 2020, 05:42:52 PM
I don't see myself touching anything with Predator in the title either, to be honest. :D I enjoy the first two films a lot (especially the second one) but the concept just doesn't interest me a ton beyond that.
I'm the same. I don't know what it is. I really tried to like them. The predators are 2-dimensional. They hunt for sport and that's it. It's worn thin for me. On the flip-side, if the predators are more than that, it feels like applying some higher purpose and calling to cousin Cletus living in the bayou. That doesn't work either.
I enjoyed the first AVP series when it came out, and then the appeal disappeared for me.
Great. Handed the franchise off to the WORST writers there are. Now we get virtue signaling preds and racist aliens. UHG!
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 05, 2020, 05:22:42 PM
Alien vs. _________ (fill in the blank) - these stories could be done as non-canon fun tales. I want to see Hawkeye vs. Aliens. ;D
Speaking of Hawkeye, I bet a Predator completely true to his code would be delighted to hunt down a human who despite having no powers is a superhero.
BTW I have a question.
There is no Predator superhero yet? I being serious, as I am not an expert in EU.
Having thought a bit more about this, and I'm feeling more optimistic. It's obviously jarring to see the license leave Dark Horse, where it has been before I was even born, but there's no reason to assume that Marvel will do a bad job with the comic side of things. This will be a great time to go back and read the old Dark Horse stuff and reflect on it all. I would echo a few other posters that a lot of our love for the DH stuff is colored by rose tinted glasses. They did some amazing books like Book One and some of the recent minis, but the DH line also suffered from weird editorial choices and from trying to play catch-up with the movies. Remember how the original trilogy was clearly setting up the Jockeys as the next big bads, only for that to get thrown out in a little one-shot? That's not at all to dismiss what Dark Horse did with the license, and I still love a LOT of the old books, but we shouldn't pretend everything has been perfect. And given how much of the recent material was stewarded by people like Brian Wood, a change isn't necessarily unwelcome.
As far as what Marvel does with it, I think it's accurate to say they'll go the Conan route IE a separate line of books in their own continuity along with separate "in continuity" crossovers with the main Marvel universe. I don't think Marvel or Disney are dumb enough to dilute the horror aspect of these brands, so I am not worried (at least not yet) about them being PG-13-ified. I also can't be mad that the inevitable crossovers, given that DH and DC have been doing them for years. I'd much rather read a Venom vs Aliens book than AvP vs Batman and Superman again. And honestly, I'd be lying if I didn't think it would be cool if Marvel's big 2021 event was "Alien and Predator invade the Marvel Universe." Give it to the creative team that did Absolute Carnage last year, or the Immortal Hulk team, and you could have a great little horror event. Marvel did it with Godzilla back in the 70's and it was great.
I just hope at the end of the day that this leads to more Alien and Predator comics. DH has definitely upped their regular output in recent years, but I still want the promise of an Alien ongoing fulfilled.
My only real question is what become of the Prometheus side of things. Will Marvel and Disney abandon it if they don't move forward with Scott's last movie, or will they allow that story to be told in the comics?
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 05, 2020, 06:10:51 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 05, 2020, 05:22:42 PM
Alien vs. _________ (fill in the blank) - these stories could be done as non-canon fun tales. I want to see Hawkeye vs. Aliens. ;D
Speaking of Hawkeye, I bet a Predator completely true to his code would be delighted to hunt down a human who despite having no powers is a superhero.
BTW I have a question.
There is no Predator superhero yet? I being serious, as I am not an expert in EU.
Wha? Predator superheroes? Like in capes and can fly?
Errr. Umm. No. ;)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 05, 2020, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 05, 2020, 05:42:52 PM
I don't see myself touching anything with Predator in the title either, to be honest. :D I enjoy the first two films a lot (especially the second one) but the concept just doesn't interest me a ton beyond that.
I'm the same. I don't know what it is. I really tried to like them. The predators are 2-dimensional. They hunt for sport and that's it. It's worn thin for me.
See, that's interesting. If anything feels limited dimensionally to me, it's the Xenomorph. That's why Ridley turned to the black goo and took the position that the beast is cooked, even compared it to a shark a few times I believe. With Predators there's technology, culture, religion, history, science, so many societal facets to delve into. Even on its own, a Predator can refresh itself with the variations in helmet, weapon, jewelry and skin pigmentation.. where a human "born" Xeno remains relatively the same.
But, let me follow that up that, to me, the beast isn't cooked and I'm very much a fan of. I own the films, have an Eaglemoss Alien Queen currently a foot away from me, was just playing Blackout again, anticipating the Alien original screenplay comic which is on my pull-list, etc. etc.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 05, 2020, 06:37:31 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 05, 2020, 06:10:51 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 05, 2020, 05:22:42 PM
Alien vs. _________ (fill in the blank) - these stories could be done as non-canon fun tales. I want to see Hawkeye vs. Aliens. ;D
Speaking of Hawkeye, I bet a Predator completely true to his code would be delighted to hunt down a human who despite having no powers is a superhero.
BTW I have a question.
There is no Predator superhero yet? I being serious, as I am not an expert in EU.
Wha? Predator superheroes? Like in capes and can fly?
Errr. Umm. No. ;)
Not all heroes wear capes ;)
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 05, 2020, 06:10:51 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 05, 2020, 05:22:42 PM
Alien vs. _________ (fill in the blank) - these stories could be done as non-canon fun tales. I want to see Hawkeye vs. Aliens. ;D
Speaking of Hawkeye, I bet a Predator completely true to his code would be delighted to hunt down a human who despite having no powers is a superhero.
BTW I have a question.
There is no Predator superhero yet? I being serious, as I am not an expert in EU.
Superheroes in the Predator franchise? Batman would count if we consider the Big Red bio on the Neca toy to be accurate to the short he debuted in. Though that's really the only superhero I can think of in-universe and that's complicated now given the Marvel deal. Predators that are superheroes? None that I can immediately recall though the DC crossovers did have a bunch of Predator clones (go with it) gaining the powers of the Justice League leading to an infamous panel of one having the powers of plastic man flying around as a spaceship.
I wonder what a Predator bonded to a symbiote would be like?
Quote from: EJA on Jul 05, 2020, 08:10:35 PM
I wonder what a Predator bonded to a symbiote would be like?
It would be A vs BS-P.
That could be pretty interesting actually...
What would a symbiote bonded Alien be?
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jul 05, 2020, 07:52:26 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 05, 2020, 06:10:51 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 05, 2020, 05:22:42 PM
Alien vs. _________ (fill in the blank) - these stories could be done as non-canon fun tales. I want to see Hawkeye vs. Aliens. ;D
Speaking of Hawkeye, I bet a Predator completely true to his code would be delighted to hunt down a human who despite having no powers is a superhero.
BTW I have a question.
There is no Predator superhero yet? I being serious, as I am not an expert in EU.
Superheroes in the Predator franchise? Batman would count if we consider the Big Red bio on the Neca toy to be accurate to the short he debuted in. Though that's really the only superhero I can think of in-universe and that's complicated now given the Marvel deal. Predators that are superheroes? None that I can immediately recall though the DC crossovers did have a bunch of Predator clones (go with it) gaining the powers of the Justice League leading to an infamous panel of one having the powers of plastic man flying around as a spaceship.
I never read the Batman comic but I've seen the short. Now about Predator clones? It's fun, I guess. I don't know. :laugh:
What about a story focused on a Veteran Predator, who comes out of retirement as a hunter to become a hero of helpless individuals. By helpless individuals I mean weak people, or aliens, who cannot defend themselves against powerful enemies. Maybe he finds a human boy and rescues him to raise him (as in Mandalorian). Yes I know, he's a space babysitter. But just imagine the justice Predator (without vomiting :-X) fighting all kinds of enemies (even other Predators) while teaching his "son" everything he knows.
Or a tale where a Pred becomes the hero to his own kind by fighting Weyland Yutani, who is doing cruel experiments with other preds.
The original Batman vs Predator is phenominal.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 05, 2020, 06:37:31 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 05, 2020, 06:10:51 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 05, 2020, 05:22:42 PM
Alien vs. _________ (fill in the blank) - these stories could be done as non-canon fun tales. I want to see Hawkeye vs. Aliens. ;D
Speaking of Hawkeye, I bet a Predator completely true to his code would be delighted to hunt down a human who despite having no powers is a superhero.
BTW I have a question.
There is no Predator superhero yet? I being serious, as I am not an expert in EU.
Wha? Predator superheroes? Like in capes and can fly?
Errr. Umm. No. ;)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 05, 2020, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 05, 2020, 05:42:52 PM
I don't see myself touching anything with Predator in the title either, to be honest. :D I enjoy the first two films a lot (especially the second one) but the concept just doesn't interest me a ton beyond that.
I'm the same. I don't know what it is. I really tried to like them. The predators are 2-dimensional. They hunt for sport and that's it. It's worn thin for me.
See, that's interesting. If anything feels limited dimensionally to me, it's the Xenomorph. That's why Ridley turned to the black goo and took the position that the beast is cooked, even compared it to a shark a few times I believe. With Predators there's technology, culture, religion, history, science, so many societal facets to delve into. Even on its own, a Predator can refresh itself with the variations in helmet, weapon, jewelry and skin pigmentation.. where a human "born" Xeno remains relatively the same.
But, let me follow that up that, to me, the beast isn't cooked and I'm very much a fan of. I own the films, have an Eaglemoss Alien Queen currently a foot away from me, was just playing Blackout again, anticipating the Alien original screenplay comic which is on my pull-list, etc. etc.
I get what you're saying in terms of limited dimensionality for the Aliens, but as an overall world it is much richer. As it is a mostly future setting, we get to have a space faring humanity, we get androids, we get all sorts of cool human tech nefarious human companies, and we get to see that all challenged by the Aliens. Also there is the ancient element there with the engineers now or space jockeys previously. The overall circumstances OC the Aliens series are just more compelling.
So I just found something out VERY weird over at the Marvel Database Wiki, where a user is talking about the acquisition of the Alien-Predator comics into Marvel... and supposedly, they even have listed the cameos of Wolverine and Cyclops in the trophy cases displayed. There's even a numerical Earth designation for the AVP Universe (or ONE AvP universe anyway...) and it's Earth-94415.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/James_Howlett_(Earth-94415) (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/James_Howlett_(Earth-94415))
I've asked if Marvel has officially listed this universe down as that designation in one of the handbooks or guides, or of this is some fan-listed designation. I've yet to actually get an answer but if anyone here is Marvel savvy... Can someone confirm or debunk this?
Marvel Appendix has this character and universe listed as being Earth-94415.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix8/wolverineavp.html
Sam Kieth once drew a rendition of an Alien facing off against Wolverine.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 06, 2020, 03:09:30 AM
Sam Kieth once drew a rendition of an Alien facing off against Wolverine.
Got a pic?
There's a honking big list of Marvel Earth's here (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Multiverse/Universe_Listing). 94415 doesn't make the cut though.
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2020, 03:14:21 AM
There's a honking big list of Marvel Earth's here (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Multiverse/Universe_Listing). 94415 doesn't make the cut though.
So we should assume this is just a fan-designation? As far as I know on that Wiki, fan designations are usually given the designation TRN-[Insert Universe Number Here] until an official designation is given.
IF this is an official designation... And this is a BIG if... That's something interesting right there.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2020, 03:13:33 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 06, 2020, 03:09:30 AM
Sam Kieth once drew a rendition of an Alien facing off against Wolverine.
Got a pic?
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/543880092472795998/
Hicks, for the life of me I still can't figure out an easy picture posting method on this fan site. Is there no way to just be able to paste an image and hit post?
Click the insert image button and [img] tags will appear, then put the url in between.
QuoteSo we should assume this is just a fan-designation?
That would be my guess.
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2020, 03:30:02 AM
That would be my guess.
I found the profile editor for the Marvel Appendix site who had put up the profile for Wolverine in the AVP Universe. I'm going to ask where this Earth designation came from and if it's official or not... If it is official... Mind... Blown.
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2020, 03:30:02 AM
Click the insert image button and [img] tags will appear, then put the url in between.
Huh, I usually do it the other way around
That works too. Sometimes my browser hangs when I do that for hyperlinks for some reason.
Dark Horse's Hunting the Heroes arc for its Comics Greatest World Imprint was in-continuity for that imprint without being canon for the rest of the Predator comics. Could Marvel do something similar?
I'm sure they could. I'd like to see an Alien version of Marvel Zombies. Let an Alien outbreak conquer earth and let's see what a xenomorph born from a mutant or inhuman turns into. Will they get superpowers? Let's find out! Lol
@rakaithwei The cyclops and Wolverine trophies were nothing more than sly nods in AVP: Deadliest of the Species because Chris Claremont was writing both series around that time.
You know how Dark Horse can fill in the void? A little license I like to call "Tremors." 8)
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 05, 2020, 05:40:54 PM
:laugh:
I love all of it - Alien, Aliens, AVP, Predator.
whatever they are just make them good.
My heart breaks for the future of the Hunters series. Predator had finally hit it's peak in the comics.
My only hope is Chris Warner knew Dark Horse's stewardship was coming to an end, and in knowing that, was able to give the Predator Hunters series some sort of closure in Volume III.
The reappearance of John kind of makes me feel they knew at this point, and it was supposed to be a nice big send off.
It certainly seems that way. Can't wait to be able to read the rest of it!
Me too
Dude called Chris Irvin on Facebook (not sure if he posts here) just made me aware of this.
Employee abuse accusations at Dark Horse (https://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-employee-racism-abuse/).
I really thought they'd taken positive steps when they severed ties with Brian Wood, but I guess they didn't.
Quote from: SM on Jul 07, 2020, 12:01:59 AM
Dude called Chris Irvin on Facebook (not sure if he posts here) just made me aware of this.
Employee abuse accusations at Dark Horse (https://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-employee-racism-abuse/).
I really thought they'd taken positive steps when they severed ties with Brian Wood, but I guess they didn't.
This doesn't shock me. It has been coming out now that Mike Mignola and Dark Horse have continued to work with editor Scott Allie even after information about his sexual misconduct became known. :-\
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jul 06, 2020, 02:33:48 PM
@rakaithwei The cyclops and Wolverine trophies were nothing more than sly nods in AVP: Deadliest of the Species because Chris Claremont was writing both series around that time.
Yes, yes, yes... I know, everyone knows. Back then it was a neat nod and Easter Egg, but then this happened and I had happened to come across that the universe which Deadliest of the Species was set was listed as an official Marvel universe within the Marvel multiverse just seemed interesting.
I also got some answers from the folks over at the Marvel Database Wiki who answered my question. The universe listing of Earth-91445 which could be the AVP Universe, came from the Marvel Appendix website. According to the folks at the Marvel Database website, the Marvel Appendix website IS mantained by writers and information gatherers who have worked on the official Marvel handbook guides and is even reputed as being a reputable site by the handbook guides and Marvel themselves... While interesting, this... doesn't really answer whether or not the universe designation for the AVP Universe, Earth-94415 is Marvel's official designation for the AVP Universe. This isn't the first time where Marvel has given numerical designations to outside company properties... as they've listed universes where DC and Marvel co-exist, as well as Capcom and Marvel.
So if Marvel designated the AVP universe, prior to the Disney purchase or sometime after, is something interesting to think about.
I've still yet to get an answer from the folks at the Marvel Appendix website.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 07, 2020, 12:06:33 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 07, 2020, 12:01:59 AM
Dude called Chris Irvin on Facebook (not sure if he posts here) just made me aware of this.
Employee abuse accusations at Dark Horse (https://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-employee-racism-abuse/).
I really thought they'd taken positive steps when they severed ties with Brian Wood, but I guess they didn't.
This doesn't shock me. It has been coming out now that Mike Mignola and Dark Horse have continued to work with editor Scott Allie even after information about his sexual misconduct became known. :-\
For some reason I thought Allie got canned years ago.
Quote from: SM on Jul 07, 2020, 03:19:40 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 07, 2020, 12:06:33 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 07, 2020, 12:01:59 AM
Dude called Chris Irvin on Facebook (not sure if he posts here) just made me aware of this.
Employee abuse accusations at Dark Horse (https://www.cbr.com/dark-horse-employee-racism-abuse/).
I really thought they'd taken positive steps when they severed ties with Brian Wood, but I guess they didn't.
This doesn't shock me. It has been coming out now that Mike Mignola and Dark Horse have continued to work with editor Scott Allie even after information about his sexual misconduct became known. :-\
For some reason I thought Allie got canned years ago.
Honestly, so did I. I could have sworn that was the end result a few years back when the news broke. But alas...
A few days late but yeah, most of my own feelings have been summed up pretty well by many others here already.
It was something we all knew was coming yet still felt like a bit of a surprise just because it seemed like Disney had been leaving Dark Horse well enough alone for this past year since the takeover (unlike say the AVP: The Hunt Begins miniatures game that they pretty much shut down immediately). And given that their recent output of Alien and Predator comics has been really good, and with those awesome-looking original screenplays on the horizon, the timing of this news does sting that bit more as a result. I really do hope they're able to publish everything they had planned for the year, as the disappearance of Predator: The Original Screenplay from Dark Horse's own site and others is concerning.
And yeah overall it's very bittersweet. Dark Horse has been the home of these franchises in the comics medium since the beginning. Not everything they've put out over that entire 35 year period has been good, but it's hard not to feel sad at the prospect of such a lengthy era coming to an end.
Looking at the more positive side though, a big, fresh beginning like this is also somewhat exciting. I've not read any of the Star Wars or Conan books Marvel have put out so I've got no idea how any of those have been handled other than hearing the odd "Vader is great!" comments from people who have, but I'm just hoping that ultimately we get a bunch of good stories from big-name writers and artists some of whom may not have worked with these characters before (and of course some who already have under Dark Horse).
I'm totally cool with the idea of Aliens and Predators going up again Iron Man, the Punisher, Captain America etc., just as they've gone up against Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Judge Dredd and others before. In fact I'm looking forward to it! And there's no reason we can't have those sort of one-offs ("Predator Kills the Marvel Universe", or the Marvel Zombies-style Alien invasion idea someone mentioned earlier would be awesome) and also have the "main" line of comics be their own thing, off in their own little Alien and Predator corner of the universe. They haven't tried to make Star Wars part of the 616, though there's potentially more likelihood of a Conan-type situation where they do bring them at least in
part into their main continuity, if only for the odd series here and there. But otherwise I'd still imagine they'll be kept separate for the most part.
And yeah no worries here about the level of violence they'll be allowed to get away with. Plenty of people have pointed out that Marvel often doesn't shy away from some pretty extreme and graphic scenes in their books, and even though the gore has never been one of the reasons I've enjoyed Alien or Predator, I'm not concerned about them being in any way "neutered" by this.
But yeah I guess we'll just have to wait and see what we see. Those promo pieces certainly look really nice. David Finch did a great job with both of them. But it's definitely going to be weird reading Alien and Predator comics in the future without that little Dark Horse logo at the top of their covers, that's for sure.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 05, 2020, 06:10:51 PMBTW I have a question.
There is no Predator superhero yet? I being serious, as I am not an expert in EU.
Probably one of the closest things to that was the Sinestro Corps Predator that showed up as a brief cameo in Green Lantern a while back, and NECA made a figure out of:
(https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_small/2/28028/680061-predator_corps.jpg)
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I think there was a bunch of Predator-style Justice League characters in the JLA crossover.
Yup, them too:
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/c/c5/501562-jla_vs_predator_super.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111015140847)
Out of curiosity, how well would, say, the first two Predator movies fit into the overall continuity and history of the main Marvel comics universe??
Marvel is constantly rebooting , restarting, reinterpreting, etc. Anything can slide in if you really wanted it to.
True, Marvel's sliding timeline would mean that the Predator movies predate the first appearances of superheroes like the Fantastic Four, Avengers and Spider-Man. But it's been established that organisations such as SHIELD had already been operating for decades by then, plus earlier super-teams like the First Line.
To my knowledge Marvel has never actually done a reboot. There has however been attempts in Heroes Reborn and the Ultimate Universe, but they both didn't stick. Post-Secret Wars 2015 was picking up where they left off albeit several months later for a clean slate so the universe is new, the continuity is identical.
The Predator films could work just fine. Marvel utilizes what is known as a sliding timescale so while there is an amount of years that have passed in-universe, the years or decades that took place in moves up as time goes on. So Predator taking place in 1987 actually doesn't affect anything in mainline Marvel continuity as most heroes wouldn't be active yet, (current consensus is that Spider-man for example would've initially became active in the mid to late 90's or early 2000's). Same goes for Predator 2 as West Coast Avengers would be much later, and given the Avengers debuted after Spider-man, City Hunter wouldn't encounter any Avengers or even the Green Goblin. Predators is who knows where but The Predator is even less of an issue simply due to it taking place over a very short period of time.
Quote from: Kailem on Jul 07, 2020, 08:45:51 AM
Yup, them too:
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/c/c5/501562-jla_vs_predator_super.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111015140847)
I feel screwed that Neca never did a toy of the Plastic man Predator.
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I place the dawn of the Marvel heroes in-universe as 2008 (with the "current" time period in the comics a few years in the future).
Quote from: EJA on Jul 07, 2020, 01:10:19 PM
Out of curiosity, how well would, say, the first two Predator movies fit into the overall continuity and history of the main Marvel comics universe??
I just got a weird premonition while reading this of a Predator cover featuring Dutch and Punisher standing back-to-back in a jungle.
Punisher definitely seems to be a favourite in terms of who Predator should cross over with.
I just thought, is there any possibility that Marvel might produce an adaptation of the original Predator movie?
Quote from: EJA on Jul 07, 2020, 08:09:50 PM
Punisher definitely seems to be a favourite in terms of who Predator should cross over with.
I just thought, is there any possibility that Marvel might produce an adaptation of the original Predator movie?
That would be cool. Let Den Beauvais adapt Aliens too. We also need a Prometheus and Covenxnt Adaptations...
So I just got word from Jeff Christiansen, who actually is the site author of the Marvel Appendix website, and serves as a consultant for Marvel for their official handbooks in regards to the Alien vs. Predator Universe as being listed as Earth-94415. This is what he has replied with:
QuoteMy understanding is that this Wolverine is from Earth-94415, but that we don't know if that is the Earth/universe of Aliens vs. Predator series.
I was the head writer of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe for 10 years and am currently a consultant. I provide the designations for the realities, and the editors come to me for them, but until they see print, they aren't "official."
And anything official regardless of whether it appeared in story or in handbook is subject to change/retcon.
I hope that helps.
So as far as we know... This MIGHT NOT be official until it sees print in a Marvel Handbook Guide. And if it did appear in a handbook guide, well it's not subject to remain static and can be retconned or reassigned.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 07, 2020, 10:57:03 PM
That would be cool. Let Den Beauvais adapt Aliens too. We also need a Prometheus and Covenxnt Adaptations...
that would be awesome, though i'm pretty sure beauvais only does commissions these days ???
I wonder if Dutch ever knew Nick Fury or Logan?
They were college roommates.
Was Jim Hahpah there too?
Quote from: Kailem on Jul 08, 2020, 01:12:31 PM
They were college roommates.
Was his college major Linguistics?
This could be great or piss poor and I'm not sure which side of the fence I'm on ATM.
We all know it'll be Predator vs Wolverine or Punisher.
If they keep the franchises within their respective umbrellas EG - No Marvel crossovers and simply Alien or Pred or AVP content is generated then I think that's the "best" outcome. For me at least.
One thing I am interested in is does this mean Marvel/Disney have got one eye on more cinematic content? As I think Marvel budgets could really bring the franchises back to the fore. Well Pred seems to be better with shitty budgets like 1&2; but Alien with a massive budget to make Geiger-esque soundstages and sets could be incredible, IMO.
On te comics front, though - I think they'd do well with a rehash of the AvP Arcade Game and use San Drad as an Alt-World futuristic Californian Town (as The Predator introduced wormhole/dimension hopping tech, IIRC - as shit as that sounds). Maybe Yautja recon teams synthesised a training/battle android (salvaged from Weyland tech after a skirmish with a colonial ship?) based on Dutch after they watched Jungle Hunter's battle logs or something. And they use it to train hunters against to develop better but end up using it to fight Xenos.
That's just off the top of my head; but that sort of stuff would be more palatable than the "Hey bub" *snikt* nonsense I'm really hoping they don't churn out but likely will.
I imagine we'll get stories set in a movie based A, AvP, P universe as well as crossovers that may as well be elseworlds stories that have no impact of the film based one or the main marvel universe
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Jul 08, 2020, 02:24:19 PM
One thing I am interested in is does this mean Marvel/Disney have got one eye on more cinematic content? As I think Marvel budgets could really bring the franchises back to the fore. Well Pred seems to be better with shitty budgets like 1&2; but Alien with a massive budget to make Geiger-esque soundstages and sets could be incredible, IMO.
Practical sets like those have gone the way of green screens and processing power. I doubt we'll ever see the Geiger-esque soundstages in our future.
And in regards to larger budgets: Predator doesn't need one, actually I'd prefer it not to have it, but a large budgeted AvP film off-Earth would be a dream!
i think the only hope of anything cinematic for avp is if/when we get to see the unreleased netflix series
With Disney I'd say AvP is way more likely than alien or pred. Basically every marvel movie is a vs movie. That's right in the wheelhouse.
If we finally get an adaptation of the original AvP, I'm all for that!
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 08, 2020, 03:06:14 PM
i think the only hope of anything cinematic for avp is if/when we get to see the unreleased netflix series
There's an unreleased Netflix series??!?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 08, 2020, 04:50:41 PM
If we finally get an adaptation of the original AvP, I'm all for that!
What's the original AvP?
Assuming it differs from the film?
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63371.0
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 08, 2020, 05:20:05 PM
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63371.0
Wow an animation too?
Sounds like it could've been great!
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Jul 08, 2020, 05:18:42 PM
What's the original AvP?
Assuming it differs from the film?
I think he means an adaptation of the comic, with Machiko.
Exactly. I wouldn't mind seeing Briggs' script as the foundation too.
Cool.
I've mentioned before that I'm not huge on AvP films, but the comics/games etc are the perfect medium for it, IMO.
If an AvP film was done right I think it could be decent. But I wasn't sold on Mayan-esque Temple in Antarctica is the Preds' hunting ground for Xenos.
Would crossovers with Marvel Earth-616 have to be out of continuity though? DH's "Hunting the Heroes" was canon to Comics Greatest World, and the WildC.A.T.S./Aliens crossover was canon to the Wildstorm Universe.
They wouldn't have to be but I don't think marvel has ever had crossovers be in continuity before. Always a first time though. They could easily make the predators fit, not as sure on xenomorphs. The brood already fill that role
Quote from: lightsyder on Jul 08, 2020, 08:26:45 PM
They wouldn't have to be but I don't think marvel has ever had crossovers be in continuity before. Always a first time though. They could easily make the predators fit, not as sure on xenomorphs. The brood already fill that role
DC VERSUS MARVEL was in continuity. As were the numerous crossovers with Malibu Comics' Ultraverse titles in the 90s.
Well they owned Malibu at the time didn't they? I kinda forgot about those...I think I read some crossovers with spider-man maybe.
And it's been a long time since I read the Versus series. What referenced them in continuity? I kinda remember Access or whatever the original character was called showing up somewhere...
Marvel still owns Malibu, they just can't use them because of mysterious legal issues.
I really wouldn't be surprised if Alien and Predator ended up getting incorporated in the Marvel 616. Star Wars is the exception that proves the rule. Godzilla, Conan, Transformers, and Rom were all worked into mainstream Marvel when they held the rights.
The only way I'd like to see any of them in a Marvel film would be GotG.
Starlord bumps into a Pred in a cantina type bar and he gives it slme funny one liners before the actual anragonist shows up.
Or a Xeno in the collector's tanks.
what are these numbers? Marvel earth 616 etc?
Neither will turn up in the MCU; the movie Aliens exists in that universe as fiction. It's referenced in Avengers: Infinity War.
Quote from: judge death on Jul 09, 2020, 05:02:20 AM
what are these numbers? Marvel earth 616 etc?
The "616" universe designation is the main Marvel comics universe, as coined by Alan Moore back before Marvel made him mad and he left. There have been tons of alternate universe stories over the years, some just one or two issues and some entire lines that have lasted for several years. Often they're given numerical designations but in the cases of the bigger stuff like the Ultimate universe (the 21st century "reboot" Marvel universe that featured updated, more cinematic versions of their characters outside the continuity of the main 616 comics) they're known by names more often than numbers.
Any time anyone mentions "616" in regards to Marvel they basically just mean "the main universe and continuity".
Hello all,
I really should post here a bit more but I am a bit burned out about Alien and Predator after the Alien prequels and those Predator movies.
My reception of this news is a bit mixed if I have to be honest. I have never been that big a fan of Dark Horse's Alien comics, a lot of the stories never really worked for me though the quality seemed to improve a bit in the last couple of years, at least regarding style as I disliked a lot of the designs of the earlier comics (spaceships and such).
I can't blame my disappointment about the Engineers on Dark Horse and its writers, that is more an issue with the Alien prequel movies.
My favorite Alien comic still remains "Aliens Apocalypse the Destroying Angels", and for Predator it is "Hell and Hot Water"
Sorry, going a little off topic here.
Seeing Marvel taken on the Alien and Predator universe might be interesting if I did not have a few personal criticisms and most of them are against Marvel and Disney.
I know Marvel can do "dark" though for me a good Alien or Predator story does not depend on how gory and bloody it is, more how well a story is told and how well characters are written (sorry but sometimes the characters in the DH comics were quite awful, ridiculous, or stereotypes).
Marvel writers' character writing these last ten year (perhaps fifteen) hasn't been exactly good. I am not throwing all of the writers onto one heap but the good ones tend to be more the exception than the standard.
Creative wise I think they will just follow up on what others have already been doing and I do not expect much "surprises" that could be exciting. Marvel/Disney is just going to milk these licenses for what remains to be milked.
As for crossovers, personally I do not think that the Aliens or the Predators work in a "supers" universe.
In the main Marvel universe there are various creatures already as dangerous as the aliens themselves, not to mention entities even deadlier than them, and the Predators are tech wise outdone by several of the major interstellar civilizations. The Predators would be just another random species Supers would run into.
They work much better in a universe which is much closer to our own reality, one that doesn't have incredible technologies other than FTL travel and communication and energy weapons (no teleporation or interdimensional travel), a universe that is cold and lonely because there are not dozens or even hundreds of technologically advanced species zipping between the star systems, life and especially intelligent life being quite rare and perhaps lasting barely a "second" in the universe's history.
Someone here suggested that it might be interesting to see the Predators hunt members of the various alien species of the Marvel universe and of course the Supers, Mutants, and other various other characters and human off shoots on Earth but to me it would just make it another crossover comic.
Marvel indeed had a tendency to incorporate other timelines into their main universe such as Conan which can work to a certain degree as most of it takes place long before the rise of the ancient world, but I feel that other licenses like Transformers, GIJoe never really worked and it was better to spin them off to their own universes. (Godzilla was kind of amusing and it was fun to watch SHIELD go against the creature, but I think it works better as a fun what if)
I am glad that Marvel never tried to make Indiana Jones and Robocop part of the Marvel universe back when they had those licenses. (well Indy could happen but I honestly hope it doesn't)
I don't have real expectations of this.
I never read Marvel's new Star Wars comics because they in general lack the space adventure/space opera vibe the older comics did back when the SW universe was still being established and was closer to Buck Rogers/Flash Gordon and other pulp sci-fi. There is nothing really exciting to discover any more.
Just nabbed the last Predator: The Original Comics Series and William Gibson's Alien 3 hardcovers the UK Amazon had in stock. Predator at least now has the expected "currently unavailable - we don't know when or if this item will be back in stock" message on its listing when you click on it.
Granted as has already been said, I'm sure it's only going to be a matter of time before we start seeing Marvel reprinting a lot or all of Dark Horse's stuff. But still, if you're anything like me (aka a chronic procrastinator) and there's anything you've been meaning to pick up but just never quite gotten around to it for whatever reason, now might well be the time.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jul 02, 2020, 05:16:01 PM
End of an era, but we all knew it would be coming eventually.
I'm not sure how I feel about something like Iron Man Vs Predator or Guardians of the Galaxy vs Aliens but I guess we'll see how things go. Hopefully they do things similar to the way Dark Horse did and keep the cross overs minimal.
About the violence/gore worry; maybe these will fall under the MAX title so we can get more adult oriented content. The Punisher's max titles are always super violent (and tbh he's the only Marvel hero I'd want to see fight a Predator).
The MAX imprint is pretty extreme and would suit the Alien/Predator world well. Here's hoping that's what they do with it and not just put the brands on ice because they own it but don't want to tarnish their "family" brand. I'd think they'd know what kind of a goldmine they're sitting on with those properties.
Our podcast on the news is now up!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2020/07/17/youve-been-in-my-life-so-long-i-cant-remember-anything-else-alien-predator-comics-move-from-dark-horse-to-marvel-avp-galaxy-podcast-112/
Very appropriate title! :D Looking forward to giving this a listen!
Yeah this should be fun. Hoping for equal parts optimism and pessimism.
And remember to play the AvPGalaxy drinking game! Take a shot everytime Hicks says "f*cking"! ;D
I'll be genuinely curious as to how that goes.
Another 2 hour episode ? Gods are being good to us as of late
Quote from: Kailem on Jul 17, 2020, 04:07:32 PM
Very appropriate title! :D
I was about to say that :D
Listened to the podcast and sounds like everyone in it are hoping for the upcoming movies to be alien vs predator movie or series.... while I hope for disconnection and have a pure alien movies and series with no connection to the predator franchise, no like ridley scott: not a fan of that :P But if thats what the new movies and comics will be about then its not for me anymore.
I doubt anything will happen while Ridley is still able to smell his own farts and the fanbase remains eager to lap up his self-indulgent crap.
I dont think Ridley scott has any power or importance anymore after disneys takeover.
but if they do however do a separate alien comics and separate predator line and occasional cross overs then its fine, same with the movies Im fine with all that.
And hopefully alien 3 level or labyrinth level of alien weirdness and gore etc then I have no problems with marvel. But how disneys new star wars movies are like and how that divided the fandom and damaged the star wars brand with rumors of yet another reboot and redoing canon etc, I have my doubts.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 17, 2020, 04:17:19 PM
And remember to play the AvPGalaxy drinking game! Take a shot everytime Hicks says "f*cking"! ;D
This suggestion has more relevance than you realise. :laugh:
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 17, 2020, 09:03:59 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 17, 2020, 04:17:19 PM
And remember to play the AvPGalaxy drinking game! Take a shot everytime Hicks says "f*cking"! ;D
This suggestion has more relevance than you realise. :laugh:
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Looking forward to listening to this..
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
I doubt anything will happen while Ridley is still able to smell his own farts
:D
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
his self-indulgent crap.
His self-indulgent crap is some of my favorite self-indulgent crap, than you very much. 8)
Therein lies the problem.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
I doubt anything will happen while Ridley is still able to smell his own farts and the fanbase remains eager to lap up his self-indulgent crap.
Thats a bit hyperbolic
I don't mean the entire fanbase, of course.
I'll take self-indulgent and interesting any day over bland and safe, and while overall I do quite like Blomkamp, that latter is definitely how I felt about his Alien pitch.
Prometheus is definitely the worst of the six Alien films, but Covenant, in my opinion of course, is almost up there with Aliens and Alien 3 and I'd be very upset to not see it followed up on by Riddlez himself.
I'm not interested in Blumpkin either. He's not the only alternative to Ridley.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2020, 10:43:49 PM
I'll take self-indulgent and interesting any day over bland and safe,
Yep
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2020, 10:43:49 PM
Prometheus is definitely the worst of the six Alien films
Nope
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2020, 10:43:49 PM
Covenant, in my opinion of course, is almost up there with Aliens and Alien 3 and I'd be very upset to not see it followed up on by Riddlez himself.
Yep
I think it's time to give up on David 3.
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 17, 2020, 11:06:24 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2020, 10:43:49 PM
Prometheus is definitely the worst of the six Alien films
Nope
If it wasn't for that godawful editing, I would put it above
Resurrection, but man... the editing is grating. Otherwise, despite the messy script, I find
Prometheus to be very interesting conceptually (even though it goes against the grain of the original film) and it is a gorgeous looking film.
I'm not going to lie, I enjoy both the prequels.
I rate AC along side A3, prommy just ahead of AR.
I've learned to let go of my hate, and it turns out I'm entertained by all the films except AvPR and The Predator.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2020, 11:13:06 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 17, 2020, 11:06:24 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2020, 10:43:49 PM
Prometheus is definitely the worst of the six Alien films
Nope
If it wasn't for that godawful editing, I would put it above Resurrection, but man... the editing is grating. Otherwise, despite the messy script, I find Prometheus to be very interesting conceptually (even though it goes against the grain of the original film) and it is a gorgeous looking film.
Maybe its just my poor taste but I personally haven't seen many of Prometheus issues untill it was pointed for me by somebody else. Same goes for editing. Even if execution of that movie was flawed in many ways it at least treated its ideas and concepts more seriously and didn't try to be that over-the-top summer blockbuster dark comedy and I'm saying that as someone who genuinely enjoys Resurrection
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2020, 11:11:43 PM
I think it's time to give up on David 3.
I'll wait a bit more. if you don't mind
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 17, 2020, 11:17:19 PM
I rate AC along side A3, prommy just ahead of AR.
Yep
Remember those images could also be for promotion & alternate covers. Sometimes marvel has alternate covers with images that don't relate to the story. I remember one cover had wolverine as venom during a past Venom #1 launch. It wasn't in the issue or the story but it just brings more attention to the comics by using the popular marvel characters.
*hand-waves Local Trouble away and continues to wait under Ridley's butt with mouth wide open*
I've learned to grade films on how much I actually watch them.
First three Alien films, a quadrillion times.
Alien Res, maybe thirty total.
The rest, a handful.
Despite feeling that Covenant is probably better than Alien res and anything before it up until Alien 3.............there has to be something wrong with it if I've only watched it twice right?
I've said this for a long time. The more answers you answer in a universe, the more mystique you kill, and the smaller and more closed off your universe has become.
David creating the Aliens killed decades worth of conversation with revealing it was some malfunctioning robot. Same with revealing the SJ identity, etc.
You don't need to answer EVERY question in a universe. SW has the same problem, but there is more going on in SW than in the Alienverse.
I think my overall dislike of the new shit is simply the need to continually turn over an old stone. Progress to something else. Having some grand reveal before THE SERIES EVEN STARTS is just f**king stupid.
If Marvel tries to at least tell a serial story about something that has no relation to Ripley, the Nostromo, Hadley's Hope, Acheron, etc I'll consider it a win.
I think I saw some where (maybe Twitter?) that Hunters 3 and the Alien screenplay adaptation are coming as trades only and the Predator screenplay isn't happening at all. Didn't see anything about the AvP series though. Any rumors on release dates I may have missed? Just read Hunters 1 and 2 so I'm very anxious to read the 3rd one
Nevermind! Just saw the thread specifically for that topic! My mistake
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2020, 10:43:49 PM
Prometheus is definitely the worst of the six Alien films, but Covenant, in my opinion of course, is almost up there with Aliens and Alien 3 and I'd be very upset to not see it followed up on by Riddlez himself.
Me thinks this is a tough pill to swallow! :)
Quote from: David's Creation on Jul 18, 2020, 12:49:25 AM
*hand-waves Local Trouble away and continues to wait under Ridley's butt with mouth wide open*
:-\
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2020, 11:13:06 PM
Otherwise, despite the messy script, I find Prometheus to be very interesting conceptually (even though it goes against the grain of the original film) and it is a gorgeous looking film.
Agree. I've always wondered how xeno would look in the style and "light" palette of Prometheus. Something like Deacon, but with a xeno shape? I think a blue palette would be a very interesting solution.
No original Predator screenplay adaptation? That's terrible news....
indeed. :-[
Not as excited as the guy in the podcast (sorry i'm terrible with names and it's been 24 hours since I listened.).
One thing that sucks is that Marvel doesn't have a relationship with TJones, so I think we all need to start sending messages to Marvel that we want to see more work from him in these franchises. Maybe there is a small chance it could help?
Good podcast fellas, even though this is a bitter pill to swallow. I hope Marvel will start strong right out of the gate and show fans they get it.
It's a good point you guys made about Marvel being able to potentially shine a much bigger light on their new Alien and Predator comics than Dark Horse were often able to with theirs as far as marketing and publicity goes, and the potential resources they could put behind them as an industry juggernaut. I could totally see Jonathan Hickman on an Alien title, though I'd imagine he's way too busy with X-Men at the moment to take time off to do something that, no matter what the quality of the finished product turns out to be, is always going to be a side thing at Marvel rather than their focus.
But either way, the possibilities are exciting.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 18, 2020, 02:10:39 PM
One thing that sucks is that Marvel doesn't have a relationship with TJones, so I think we all need to start sending messages to Marvel that we want to see more work from him in these franchises. Maybe there is a small chance it could help?
That would be very cool, though with his current career trajectory, I don't think he would come on board just to do art on another writer's comic these days. If he's going to hop on, he's going to be writer and artist. And I would be very ok with that.
Quote from: David's Creation on Jul 18, 2020, 12:49:25 AM
*hand-waves Local Trouble away and continues to wait under Ridley's butt with mouth wide open*
Just remember, that's not a clitoris, it's a hemorrhoid.
David will mold it into something nice, I'm sure.
I hope the Covenant crashes in the first five minutes and David is hopelessly smashed beyond repair. Just like Alien 3 did to Bishop.
That would make a great comic. Especially since the movie will never be made.
So salty :D
:laugh:
Who pissed on Trouble's cheerios?
Corporal Hicks inspired me with the podcast. He seemed consistently irritable throughout the whole thing and I admire that.
You admire his purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.
about halfway through the podcast, enjoying it (as always) so far! paul added some good points, but he seems to want predators to be firmly ingrained in alien canon throughout all media types, which i don't agree with. while i really enjoy the predators universe a whole lot, and the past avp comics were awesome (and think there's totally a place for a separated avp canon), i want the solo alien universe to be completely independent from predator content
That was quite an entry! Paul had a lot to say. Good choice for guest. Interesting viewpoints expressed. Well done. Thanks for all that!
My position for the comics is as it was. The new Star Wars comics show a lot of love for the characters and lore in the writing and the artwork. If that spirit carries over to the new Alien, Predator and AVP comics, everything will be fine. And I think everything will be fine, actually.
There was a discussion of crossovers. Here's a list I found:
https://www.cbr.com/aliens-xenomorphs-comics-crossovers/
Includes Buffy crossover, no sign of Galaxy Quest crossover.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jul 18, 2020, 10:34:15 PM
My position for the comics is as it was. The new Star Wars comics show a lot of love for the characters and lore in the writing and the artwork. If that spirit carries over to the new Alien, Predator and AVP comics, everything will be fine. And I think everything will be fine, actually.
Speaking of which, I actually enjoyed the Vader comics 🙌😎
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 18, 2020, 04:38:39 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 18, 2020, 02:10:39 PM
One thing that sucks is that Marvel doesn't have a relationship with TJones, so I think we all need to start sending messages to Marvel that we want to see more work from him in these franchises. Maybe there is a small chance it could help?
That would be very cool, though with his current career trajectory, I don't think he would come on board just to do art on another writer's comic these days. If he's going to hop on, he's going to be writer and artist. And I would be very ok with that.
Yeah I would prefer him to write and do the art.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 19, 2020, 12:39:46 AM
Speaking of which, I actually enjoyed the Vader comics 🙌😎
I did, too! They're quite good. That's part of why I'm optimistic about this.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2020, 10:43:49 PM
I'll take self-indulgent and interesting any day over bland and safe, and while overall I do quite like Blomkamp, that latter is definitely how I felt about his Alien pitch.
Prometheus is definitely the worst of the six Alien films, but Covenant, in my opinion of course, is almost up there with Aliens and Alien 3 and I'd be very upset to not see it followed up on by Riddlez himself.
You saw Blomkamp's Alien pitch?????
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2020, 11:13:06 PM
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2020, 10:43:49 PM
Prometheus is definitely the worst of the six Alien films
Nope
If it wasn't for that godawful editing, I would put it above Resurrection, but man... the editing is grating. Otherwise, despite the messy script, I find Prometheus to be very interesting conceptually (even though it goes against the grain of the original film) and it is a gorgeous looking film.
Maybe its just my poor taste but I personally haven't seen many of Prometheus issues untill it was pointed for me by somebody else. Same goes for editing. Even if execution of that movie was flawed in many ways it at least treated its ideas and concepts more seriously and didn't try to be that over-the-top summer blockbuster dark comedy and I'm saying that as someone who genuinely enjoys Resurrection
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2020, 11:11:43 PM
I think it's time to give up on David 3.
I'll wait a bit more. if you don't mind
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 17, 2020, 11:17:19 PM
I rate AC along side A3, prommy just ahead of AR.
Yep
I love Prometheus. Warts and all. I lost count of how many times I've watched it. Just a terrific film.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 19, 2020, 02:29:03 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2020, 10:43:49 PM
I'll take self-indulgent and interesting any day over bland and safe, and while overall I do quite like Blomkamp, that latter is definitely how I felt about his Alien pitch.
Prometheus is definitely the worst of the six Alien films, but Covenant, in my opinion of course, is almost up there with Aliens and Alien 3 and I'd be very upset to not see it followed up on by Riddlez himself.
You saw Blomkamp's Alien pitch?????
Just what everyone else has seen–Ripley, Hicks, and Newt, alive and well post-
Aliens in an alternate
Alien 3. Not really my jam, even if some of the art (mostly the stuff of the WY facility) was pretty neat.
I was not down for Ripley in an Alien costume. I can't picture any good plot that results in that. But Hicks, Newt, and Ripley returning has always been the foundation of my wheelhouse.
If the story's right I'd roll with it, but as a pretty big fan of Alien 3, it'll definitely have to really win me over to get me on board with a partial reboot like that.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jul 18, 2020, 10:34:15 PM
There was a discussion of crossovers. Here's a list I found:
https://www.cbr.com/aliens-xenomorphs-comics-crossovers/
Includes Buffy crossover, no sign of Galaxy Quest crossover.
It wasn't really a crossover. More an appearance.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63329.0
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 19, 2020, 03:04:21 AM
If the story's right I'd roll with it, but as a pretty big fan of Alien 3, it'll definitely have to really win me over to get me on board with a partial reboot like that.
I've come to terms with the fact that many fans will never agree on this point. That's totally fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just come from a different era in regards to this series. For me it all started when I watched Aliens and then the original Dark Horse comics came out. I jumped on board with with the Nelson / Verheiden series with issue #2. That will always be my defining Aliens story. I compare Alien 3 against the Verheiden series and it falls way short.
That being said, I'm a huge fan of Alien 3 myself. It's a terrific film. I still want a different film to continue where Aliens left off though. I think Disney / Marvel recognizes that, and that's what we'll get.
I'm a long time Marvel fan too, since well before Aliens came out. Hawkeye / West Coast Avengers. That was my thing...
Yep, I definitely get that. And if done well, I could definitely enjoy an alt-Alien 3 as some sort of alternate universe, provided that it does some interesting things beyond just "saving" Hicks and Newt. I am pretty curious about the Walter Hill version.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 19, 2020, 12:35:00 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 19, 2020, 03:04:21 AM
If the story's right I'd roll with it, but as a pretty big fan of Alien 3, it'll definitely have to really win me over to get me on board with a partial reboot like that.
I've come to terms with the fact that many fans will never agree on this point. That's totally fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just come from a different era in regards to this series. For me it all started when I watched Aliens and then the original Dark Horse comics came out. I jumped on board with with the Nelson / Verheiden series with issue #2. That will always be my defining Aliens story. I compare Alien 3 against the Verheiden series and it falls way short.
That being said, I'm a huge fan of Alien 3 myself. It's a terrific film. I still want a different film to continue where Aliens left off though. I think Disney / Marvel recognizes that, and that's what we'll get.
I'd definitely be up for dialing it back until the close of Aliens and another direction. I think the general public would love it. Like T1 and T2, within the majority opinion, the first two films are the only ones in the series praised and put upon a pedestal, but they've not looked too fondly upon Alien3 - most don't even know what the Assembly Cut is - nor Resurrection. But if they handle it properly like Halloween 2018, there is so much exciting potential, especially with Newt to lead the franchise into the future in both film and EU. The only thing that will be rough is having to watch a portion of our die hard alien fan friends who adore Alien3 come to terms with its exorcism. That won't be fun.
I don't mind continuing the Aliens era of storytelling AS LONG AS it is a complete reboot.
If we have 70 year old sigourney weaver running around then no.
I'd rather just see a story set post-Alien 3 centered around WY's last-ditch efforts to get their hands on a sample, to be honest. No Ripley, no reboot, a story that can stand basically on its own two feet while still existing in that sort of post-Aliens timeframe in terms of the look and feel of the universe.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 19, 2020, 02:44:33 PM
I don't mind continuing the Aliens era of storytelling AS LONG AS it is a complete reboot.
...
(If we're talking movies...) I know this sounds paradoxical, but I think a complete reboot is a more respectful way to rework an established series than a partial retcon.
If you break into the existing Alien film franchise, and with Blomkamp we're talking about doing that after the ending of
Aliens, then the retcon of what follows feels like you're snubbing all the
Alien 3 and
Resurrection fans. (I'm sure the
Res fans exist).
Whereas by going back to the beginning and starting afresh with a new series, which in this case means finding some new way of launching the Alien cinematic universe, it leaves the original film series intact. The originals don't disappear, they will always be there to be enjoyed as their own thing.
The model I'm thinking of is the
Planet of the Apes franchise. I have a nostalgic liking for the original films (the ones starring Roddy McDowell) and continue to watch them on blu-ray. But the reboot versions with Andy Serkis are pretty fantastic too. To me, they co-exist together very well.
TC
Quote from: TC on Jul 19, 2020, 03:34:01 PM
The model I'm thinking of is the Planet of the Apes franchise. I have a nostalgic liking for the original films (the ones starring Roddy McDowell) and continue to watch them on blu-ray. But the reboot versions with Andy Serkis are pretty fantastic too. To me, they co-exist together very well.
TC
They do? It's like having two Ripleys. They feature two totally different Caesars. And how do you reconcile contrasts like the Apes being used as menial human slaves in the original films only to rise up and conquer over their captors, versus what we got in the new films?
Quote from: TC on Jul 19, 2020, 03:34:01 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 19, 2020, 02:44:33 PM
I don't mind continuing the Aliens era of storytelling AS LONG AS it is a complete reboot.
...
(If we're talking movies...) I know this sounds paradoxical, but I think a complete reboot is a more respectful way to rework an established series than a partial retcon.
If you break into the existing Alien film franchise, and with Blomkamp we're talking about doing that after the ending of Aliens, then the retcon of what follows feels like you're snubbing all the Alien 3 and Resurrection fans. (I'm sure the Res fans exist).
Whereas by going back to the beginning and starting afresh with a new series, which in this case means finding some new way of launching the Alien cinematic universe, it leaves the original film series intact. The originals don't disappear, they will always be there to be enjoyed as their own thing.
The model I'm thinking of is the Planet of the Apes franchise. I have a nostalgic liking for the original films (the ones starring Roddy McDowell) and continue to watch them on blu-ray. But the reboot versions with Andy Serkis are pretty fantastic too. To me, they co-exist together very well.
TC
I can't imagine anyone doing a remake of Aliens or Alien for that matter that would be better than the originals. Parts 3 and 4 are distant bronze medal finalists compared to the original two. Those first two films are among the best films ever made by humanity, in any genre.
I'd be ok to see someone try to redo them, but the odds of success in terms of actually being better than the originals would be slim to none.
I wonder what Marvel's habits have been around releasing copious variant covers (thinking of Archie/Predator II) and bonus comics with games, home video releases, conventions and figure. It's only a minor piece of the landscape moving forward, as long as we get good content, but I was never a fan of the excessive variant covers. I do enjoy a limited release bonus comic though. I'm sure it varies by each of their series, hopefully they are creative.
Marvel tends to do a million variant covers on issue #1s, and then a few variants on each subsequent issue. As for media-tie ins, they definitely do a lot of that, though sometimes it comes a little while after the media drops rather than right around the same time. The Mandalorian, for example, is going to finally be getting a comic that ties into its story sometime in the next few months, about a year after the debut of season one of the series.
Quote from: Rambo on Jul 19, 2020, 06:11:42 PM
I wonder what Marvel's habits have been around releasing copious variant covers (thinking of Archie/Predator II) and bonus comics with games, home video releases, conventions and figure. It's only a minor piece of the landscape moving forward, as long as we get good content, but I was never a fan of the excessive variant covers. I do enjoy a limited release bonus comic though. I'm sure it varies by each of their series, hopefully they are creative.
If I remember correctly, wasn't it AVP that started the whole variant covers thing? I may be mistaken, but the first time I recall seeing variant covers was Dark Horse Presents #36 - the issue where Aliens and Predators first come together...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 19, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
Quote from: Rambo on Jul 19, 2020, 06:11:42 PM
I wonder what Marvel's habits have been around releasing copious variant covers (thinking of Archie/Predator II) and bonus comics with games, home video releases, conventions and figure. It's only a minor piece of the landscape moving forward, as long as we get good content, but I was never a fan of the excessive variant covers. I do enjoy a limited release bonus comic though. I'm sure it varies by each of their series, hopefully they are creative.
If I remember correctly, wasn't it AVP that started the whole variant covers thing? I may be mistaken, but the first time I recall seeing variant covers was Dark Horse Presents #36 - the issue where Aliens and Predators first come together...
Yeah that was the first one for DH's A/P lines. There has been no rhyme or reason to the variants for the series of the last ten years, other than there being over 75 of them. Changes it from a novelty to a commodity
Was DH really the leader in this? I can't recall marvel doing it before DH. I've been reading marvel since I was a kid..
I know the in 90s new X-Men and Spider-Man titles had quite a few variant covers
Dark Horse Presents #36 came out on February 01, 1990.
Wow, 30 years of AVP!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 19, 2020, 06:15:26 AM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jul 18, 2020, 10:34:15 PM
There was a discussion of crossovers. Here's a list I found:
https://www.cbr.com/aliens-xenomorphs-comics-crossovers/
Includes Buffy crossover, no sign of Galaxy Quest crossover.
It wasn't really a crossover. More an appearance.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63329.0
I see. Thanks.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 19, 2020, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: TC on Jul 19, 2020, 03:34:01 PM
The model I'm thinking of is the Planet of the Apes franchise. I have a nostalgic liking for the original films (the ones starring Roddy McDowell) and continue to watch them on blu-ray. But the reboot versions with Andy Serkis are pretty fantastic too. To me, they co-exist together very well.
TC
They do? It's like having two Ripleys. They feature two totally different Caesars. And how do you reconcile contrasts like the Apes being used as menial human slaves in the original films only to rise up and conquer over their captors, versus what we got in the new films?
Oh. I can see that in my brevity I didn't do a good job of explaining myself. Particularly the line "To me, they co-exist together very well."
I simply meant that they sit together on my shelf, side by side, and I enjoy them both equally. What I did
not mean was that they seamlessly mesh together in the same story universe. Far from it, in fact.
And that's my point. When you reboot something from scratch you leave everything in the original version intact. That's what I'm saying is more respectful than to expunge from existence your least favourite children. (Even if Fincher would have it that way LOL ).
By the way, I'm leaving out of my considerations the Tim Burton remake.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 19, 2020, 04:38:48 PM
I can't imagine anyone doing a remake of Aliens or Alien for that matter that would be better than the originals. Parts 3 and 4 are distant bronze medal finalists compared to the original two. Those first two films are among the best films ever made by humanity, in any genre.
...
We're all fans here so a bit of impassioned hyperbole is acceptable. So yes: I agree ;)
But see below:
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 19, 2020, 04:38:48 PM
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but the odds of success in terms of actually being better than the originals would be slim to none.
As long as the metric for doing a reboot is "better than the originals," you might have a point. But sometimes two artistic interpretations are so different they really can't be compared.
Back to
Planet of the Apes for my example: The originals have a significant amount of whimsy and on-the-nose satire (especially the first one) that give them a distinct flavour that I've always enjoyed. Whereas the reboots have a darker, more ominous sense of doom running all through them. I like that too. Is one interpretation better than the other? I don't think so. Not to me, anyway.
And what of
Alien, what would such a reboot look like? I have ideas, but the key thing is that the xenomorph concept remains intact. That's the only critical thing. Of secondary importance would be the theme of corporate malfeasance, and thirdly, developments in android technology (although this idea is being thoroughly thrashed on screens everywhere right now, so maybe drop that).
In the
Planet of the Apes reboot, there's no sign of a Taylor, a Zira or a Cornelius. So a new
Alien might not even feature a Ripley, a Newt or the Colonial Marines (or the Engineers for that matter). The core concept of the xenomorph and its predatory, parasitic life cycle has to be there, but the actual narrative would be completely different.
Anyway, as you were, gentlemen.
Back to comic books...
TC
Since the Essential comics collection from Dark Horse was cancelled, I hope Marvel releases the Dark Horse material in Epic collections like they did with Star Wars.
Good podcast guys, it's great to have these to listen to, now more than ever. Looking forward to the next one.
I read alot of comics, alot. I don't care who publishes them, as long as they're good. I'm all for having new guests on the podcast but a Marvel guy is going to say this merge is a great idea because he's drinking the cool-aid. Marvel has put out some of the best books ever, no doubt. They are also guilty of flooding the market with shit.
It's still too early to tell what direction they're going. It's almost a guarantee that we won't get any brutal or psychosexual reads like Bad Blood or Labyrinth. They have put out some awesome titles under the Max label. We'll see here's hoping.
When they snatched Conan and Star Wars both reboots started relatively strong but safe. Both series took a nosedive soon after the first run. Does Darth Vader need a sidekick? Does Conan need a Machine Gun to be interesting? Terrible.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to new stories but I am cautious. Darkhorse, you have done a great job expanding the universe. There were years where that was all we had to look forward to and Marvel can't take those stories and memories away. You will be missed. Can Marvel live up to the challenge? Only time will tell.
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Jul 20, 2020, 04:21:23 PM
Good podcast guys, it's great to have these to listen to, now more than ever. Looking forward to the next one.
I read alot of comics, alot. I don't care who publishes them, as long as they're good. I'm all for having new guests on the podcast but a Marvel guy is going to say this merge is a great idea because he's drinking the cool-aid. Marvel has put out some of the best books ever, no doubt. They are also guilty of flooding the market with shit.
It's still too early to tell what direction they're going. It's almost a guarantee that we won't get any brutal or psychosexual reads like Bad Blood or Labyrinth. They have put out some awesome titles under the Max label. We'll see here's hoping.
When they snatched Conan and Star Wars both reboots started relatively strong but safe. Both series took a nosedive soon after the first run. Does Darth Vader need a sidekick? Does Conan need a Machine Gun to be interesting? Terrible.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to new stories but I am cautious. Darkhorse, you have done a great job expanding the universe. There were years where that was all we had to look forward to and Marvel can't take those stories and memories away. You will be missed. Can Marvel live up to the challenge? Only time will tell.
I can't speak for Star Wars, but I've actually quite enjoyed Marvel's tales of Conan in the modern era.
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Jul 20, 2020, 04:21:23 PM
Good podcast guys, it's great to have these to listen to, now more than ever. Looking forward to the next one.
I read alot of comics, alot. I don't care who publishes them, as long as they're good. I'm all for having new guests on the podcast but a Marvel guy is going to say this merge is a great idea because he's drinking the cool-aid. Marvel has put out some of the best books ever, no doubt. They are also guilty of flooding the market with shit.
It's still too early to tell what direction they're going. It's almost a guarantee that we won't get any brutal or psychosexual reads like Bad Blood or Labyrinth. They have put out some awesome titles under the Max label. We'll see here's hoping.
When they snatched Conan and Star Wars both reboots started relatively strong but safe. Both series took a nosedive soon after the first run. Does Darth Vader need a sidekick? Does Conan need a Machine Gun to be interesting? Terrible.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to new stories but I am cautious. Darkhorse, you have done a great job expanding the universe. There were years where that was all we had to look forward to and Marvel can't take those stories and memories away. You will be missed. Can Marvel live up to the challenge? Only time will tell.
Going to force myself to be optimistic. :)
Good podcast. Very interesting.
Corporal Hicks... with the F-bombs! Wow! Is the whole Marvel thing that under your skin?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 20, 2020, 10:48:32 PM
Good podcast. Very interesting.
Corporal Hicks... with the F-bombs! Wow! Is the whole Marvel thing that under your skin?
Remember to do a shot for every Hicks F-bomb!
Solid podcast guys! The point that really resonates with me is that as the largest comic publisher, Marvel not only has the access to the top talent but they also have the marketing tools to promote the comics. I really think the properties are going to sell more issues under Marvel. The EU reboot is the main thing I'm still uncertain of as the novels have had some crossover with the recent comics and it seems the novel license is safe. Which begs the question: where is the line drawn in regards to a reboot? Only time will tell.
Dark horse kinda rebooted itself with the alien canology, so I don't really see why it matters about marvel doing the same.
It doesn't. I'm only questioning if the reboot will include some of the novels as they tie into some of the newer comics. Specifically "Prototype" which came out last year and has Zula as the main character.
Cold Forge and Phalanx seem to have created their own mini-continuity, referencing only each other, Isolation, and the films; maybe just keep those?
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jul 21, 2020, 05:07:49 PM
It doesn't. I'm only questioning if the reboot will include some of the novels as they tie into some of the newer comics. Specifically "Prototype" which came out last year and has Zula as the main character.
zula, and to a lesser extent, olivia shipp
Comixology has all the Alien, AvP and Predator comics 50% off currently. Looks like I'll be finishing my Dark Horse collection earlier than i anticipated.
Quote from: lightsyder on Jul 21, 2020, 07:56:54 PM
Comixology has all the Alien, AvP and Predator comics 50% currently. Looks like I'll be finishing my Dark Horse collection earlier than i anticipated.
Wow!!! Thank you for the heads up, now I'm definitely purchasing some comics today
Okay, I finally listened to the podcast - I watched the video actually.
A few notes:
I enjoyed the podcast, but once in a while it was a bit too all over the place at times, at least for my taste, where it made my head spin a little bit. But still, overall, very good work guys! :)
Too much optimism. I wanted to hear more Alien & Predator is leaving Dark Horse sadness! I wanted someone to represent my pain! ;D
Marvel has the Icon label imprint that is totally hardcore. I've been a big Marvel reader for much of my life, and when I read Icon's Painkiller Jane series, it was laced with curses, nudity, sex and blood and guts.
I didn't love the full on reboot Paul was pushing initially. I can see it would be easier for new fans, true. And it's likely an easier pill to swallow for Paul who's generally new to Darkhorse A&P EU lore and subsequently not as deeply invested yet as us older fans... the logic is sound but I think there's a way to still invite new fans to an existing canon without alienating the old ones. Predator: Hunters is a perfect example of that. I know someone who's even really enjoying it as much as me and had no idea there were reoccurring characters.
And finally, RidgeTop, my AvP Requiem brother, a few of us actually like Chris Claremont's Aliens Predator: Deadliest of the Species! So give it a shot, you might like it! :)
Thats all I got. Great job guys!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 22, 2020, 12:40:00 AM
And finally, RidgeTop, my AvP Requiem brother, a few of us actually like Chris Claremont's Aliens Predator: Deadliest of the Species! So give it a shot, you might like it! :)
I imagine that story would be a little more palatable for Predator fans if only because it
actually features a f**king Predator in it.
There's Aliens for like three pages on issue 3 and the rest is gold-plated or albino jousting hybrids or a God-damned Queen that decides to be pally with the rest of the team because f**k you, that's why or that human Predator Alien hybrid at the end.
God I hate that book so much.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2020, 04:21:02 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 22, 2020, 12:40:00 AM
And finally, RidgeTop, my AvP Requiem brother, a few of us actually like Chris Claremont's Aliens Predator: Deadliest of the Species! So give it a shot, you might like it! :)
I imagine that story would be a little more palatable for Predator fans if only because it actually features a f**king Predator in it.
There's Aliens for like three pages on issue 3 and the rest is gold-plated or albino jousting hybrids or a God-damned Queen that decides to be pally with the rest of the team because f**k you, that's why or that human Predator Alien hybrid at the end.
God I hate that book so much.
So it's a SiL recommend?
If you found the two panels of blue banana shaped blobs in issue 4 of AvPvT a satisfying Alien experience, DOTS is 10/10.
i'm going to step in here and say that i'm also not a fan of dots; sorry, voodoo!
Never read Turnabout, I assume it's very good, but doesn't one of the stories involve multiple predators hunting bears... with a plasma caster... from a distance? Guess that whole equaling your opponents in available weapons thing is gone now >:(
That's almost never been an actual thing.
I mean they shoot Aliens a lot.
They shoot people a lot and all. While they're invisible.
But modern hunters hunt animals that can't shoot back, and that's what Predator is based so I'm not sure if there ever was a "equaling your opponents in available weapons thing". All there is, is not blasting someone who is unarmed.
Quote from: SM on Jul 22, 2020, 06:09:04 AM
They shoot people a lot and all. While they're invisible.
But modern hunters hunt animals that can't shoot back, and that's what Predator is based so I'm not sure if there ever was a "equaling your opponents in available weapons thing". All there is, is not blasting someone who is unarmed.
I think you are right, I may have been spoiled by machikos trilogy of novels where they are described as fighting worthy enemies with the same kind of weapons they possess unless in like "wartime situations" like when they enter a hive. The Youngbloods are allowed to just shoot everything but blooded and veterans hold themselves to a higher standard according to those books anyway.
And just to be clear there are a few examples of what I was talking about. For instance, the Jungle Hunter disarms himself of his plasma caster and takes off his biomask and fights Dutch in h2h. Wolf (for some reason) decides to disarm himself taking off his mines, leaving his spear, and once again taking off the biomask. A predator from the comic "Strange Roux" actually stabs himself in the arm to even the odds against his foe who was injured in his right arm. Celtic attempts to fight the Grid Alien with only his wristblades and fists even though his spear wasn't far away (though this might just be a movie convenient thing.) In the horrible comic Predator: Primal after an initial engagement with a bear ironically enough a warrior comes to fight it hand to hand in the comic's finale. I assumed it was part of the blooded warrior's culture to "fight fair" or as fair as they deem it so anyway.
Either way, I suppose it's a relatively minor pet peeve, i will be checking these books out either way :)
Quote from: Tichinde on Jul 22, 2020, 06:31:14 AM
For instance, the Jungle Hunter disarms himself of his plasma caster and takes off his biomask and fights Dutch in h2h.
He also shoots Poncho in the head after he had a tree crush his chest :P
QuoteWolf (for some reason) decides to disarm himself taking off his mines, leaving his spear, and once again taking off the biomask.
After shooting Aliens almost the entire rest of the film.
QuoteCeltic attempts to fight the Grid Alien with only his wristblades and fists even though his spear wasn't far away (though this might just be a movie convenient thing.)
His spear was buried in the stone and it probably would've taken too long to get it with an Alien trying to kill him.
Interestingly I'm pretty sure Steve Perry wrote both AvP Prey
and Turnabout.
@Voodoo ya I agree that the Predator side of things doesn't really need to be rebooted as the majority of stories are stand alone and really have no affect on one another. I'd actually be pretty bummed if they went the reboot route with Predator.
@Tichinde the Predators face off the bears with only their wrist blades in "Turnabout" however in "Primal" the Pred does indeed shoot a bear.
@Sil yes you are correct that Steve Perry wrote both "Prey" and "Turnabout".
One additional podcast thought:
While I would love it to happen, there is just no way in my eyes Marvel waiting a year or more to do an Alien and Predator crossover within the Marvel universe. Like Conan of the Hyborian Age which is harder to infuse, I believe it will only take a few months, if not at launch, to crossover something Marvel with Alien and Predator unfortunately.
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 22, 2020, 04:40:49 AM
i'm going to step in here and say that i'm also not a fan of dots; sorry, voodoo!
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Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jul 22, 2020, 11:28:02 AM
@Voodoo ya I agree that the Predator side of things doesn%u2019t really need to be rebooted as the majority of stories are stand alone and really have no affect on one another. I%u2019d actually be pretty bummed if they went the reboot route with Predator.
Are you talking film? If so, I 100% agree, there is absolutely no need to reboot the Predator canon. The films are pretty much self contained, independent events. Each sequel has a sprinkling of brief references, but they are in no way required viewing like say each Alien film before it.
But in the first two completed volumes of the Predator Hunters comics, there are reoccurring characters from past series, but it's not essential knowledge. It's like Sean Keyes in The Predator. Predator 2 fans geek out because that's Peter Keyes' son, in fiction and in real life, but if you don't know that factoid watching The Predator, there is still no feeling of missing information. It's not essential to the plot. It's not essential in the way its presented. That's the way I'd like Marvel to handle the Predator comic lore. I believe it could even work for Alien too. :)
I'm talking the EU and I said the majority of stories are self contained not all. But even with "Hunters" there was still flashbacks to catch new readers up with the seasoned characters. So ya I'm hoping that it's just more new stories as opposed to them making some kind of decree that it's a full on EU reboot.
I also believe that there'll be a Marvel crossover within the first year but I think of it as a promotional tool to get more Marvel fans interested in the new A/P/AVP series.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jul 22, 2020, 01:06:58 PM
I'm talking the EU and I said the majority of stories are self contained not all. But even with "Hunters" there was still flashbacks to catch new readers up with the seasoned characters. So ya I'm hoping that it's just more new stories as opposed to them making some kind of decree that it's a full on EU reboot.
It's all how it's handled right? We get flashbacks of Mandy Graves history, and no new reader can tell if her story was depicted in in a previous comic or not. You can take her entirely as a brand new character that once encountered a Predator, or a previously used character that is reoccurring. It all comes down to presentation and loose connecting threads. That's the way I'd like to see it moving forward. Inviting to new readers, yet still loosely loyal to what came before it. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 22, 2020, 01:24:02 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jul 22, 2020, 01:06:58 PM
I'm talking the EU and I said the majority of stories are self contained not all. But even with "Hunters" there was still flashbacks to catch new readers up with the seasoned characters. So ya I'm hoping that it's just more new stories as opposed to them making some kind of decree that it's a full on EU reboot.
It's all how it's handled right? We get flashbacks of Mandy Graves history, and no new reader can tell if her story was depicted in in a previous comic or not. You can take her entirely as a brand new character that once encountered a Predator, or a previously used character that is reoccurring. It all comes down to presentation and loose connecting threads. That's the way I'd like to see it moving forward. Inviting to new readers, yet still loosely loyal to what came before it. :)
Exactly! Well said sir.
Something I'd like to see done is stories done with surviving film Predators or flashbacks with older ones. What was the Assassin like pre-augmentation, was it only just Jungle Hunter in Val Verde or did he bring anyone or anything with him (we know the locals knew of him), what did the blood feud between the Jungle and Super Predators look like, did anybody ever try to reclaim Wolf's pistol?
I'd love to see the writers follow up on things like that. And there'd be an audience for adventures with the Lost Hunters be it before or after City Hunter's death though one I'd find cool would be showing at least part of City Hunter's funeral. That's something that would be real cool for world building since we've only seen so much of that. For a species kind of obsessed with killing it'd be interesting to see what they do outside of nuking a body.
Edit:
Due to Marvel having a What If? line of books, what if Marvel did something like that for the Predator comics? Like if Jungle Hunter succeeded in killing Dutch then the OWLF has even less to work off of perhaps leading to an alternate Predator 2? The OWLF doesn't really know where to look and City Hunter just had the run of the place perhaps meaning he survives and potentially never killing Peter Keyes. Or what if Harrigan doesn't quite kill City Hunter and they rematch years later this time with cybernetic upgrades (replacement hand) and Harrigan has to out-think him since it's not like he can get lucky fighting him twice and he's much older.
You know all this talk actually has me pretty hyped to see what marvel will do. Looking forward to adding some new issue #1 predator & alien comic books next year. Knowing marvel they will have a ton of alternate cross over covers. Might have to collect them all
In the wake of the Marvel announcment I ordered mostly all available comic books in physical form i can get via Amazon. Today my delivery arrived and a few hours later i regognized a Kindle/Comixology sale on EVERY available Aliens, Predator and AvP comics. Damn it. But honestly i consider not to return the physical books to Amazon instead of the Predator Essentials Vol.1 because you don't know how the availability via Amazon/Kindle will be when the licence change is done. For nearly the price of the Essentials Vol.1 I bought the Predator and AvP Omnibusses because i haven't read most of them (mostly Predator, I'm more into Alien). But when Marvel will re-release the Omnibusses or something equal to them i will buy them in physical form. Just because...
These are my thoughts. Just wanted to share them.
I really hope they don't full reboot but you might get your wish. Disney annihilated the star wars EU they might do the same for AVP :-[ :'(
Quote from: Tichinde on Jul 22, 2020, 08:14:00 PM
I really hope they don't full reboot but you might get your wish. Disney annihilated the star wars EU they might do the same for AVP :-[ :'(
To calm some fears, Disney did that so that way they could do the Sequel trilogy without trying to navigate the former EU. It's probably going to get a reboot on Alien's end but I don't see Predator changing all that much if we aren't already in the midst of it.
On the Predator side of things it seems it's going from Hunting Grounds onward. So from that it's the solo films and (presumably) the crossovers are left intact as well as the lore from Hunting Grounds and Stalking Shadows. Neca backstories as far as I'm aware are still canonical so for the time being the Predators still encountered them.
Quote from: Covenant81 on Jul 22, 2020, 06:35:09 PM
In the wake of the Marvel announcment I ordered mostly all available comic books in physical form i can get via Amazon. Today my delivery arrived and a few hours later i regognized a Kindle/Comixology sale on EVERY available Aliens, Predator and AvP comics. Damn it. But honestly i consider not to return the physical books to Amazon instead of the Predator Essentials Vol.1 because you don't know how the availability via Amazon/Kindle will be when the licence change is done. For nearly the price of the Essentials Vol.1 I bought the Predator and AvP Omnibusses because i haven't read most of them (mostly Predator, I'm more into Alien). But when Marvel will re-release the Omnibusses or something equal to them i will buy them in physical form. Just because...
These are my thoughts. Just wanted to share them.
I asked comixology's support how the license change would affect items already bought. They said they will stay in your library even if they are no longer for sale.
To be fair, annihilating the Alien EU happens every few years anyways.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 22, 2020, 10:14:17 PM
To be fair, annihilating the Alien EU happens every few years anyways.
Exactly. I don't really see what the big deal is.
Yeah every new film mucks with it to varying degrees. It can be shame to 'lose' some stories and characters - but I think we're pretty used to it by now.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 22, 2020, 12:40:00 AM
And finally, RidgeTop, my AvP Requiem brother
:D
Haha, so true
I'm fully expecting the Alien side of things to be rebooted but I think it's 50/50 regarding the Predator side.
So I guess this will also be the same with the Kindle ones. This is good to hear.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jul 23, 2020, 11:24:43 AM
I'm fully expecting the Alien side of things to be rebooted but I think it's 50/50 regarding the Predator side.
The dreaded fate of John Schaeffer and Machiko Noguchi...
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After turning the idea of AVP into so much rubbish over the years, Marvel would be well guided to turn the original series into a proper film VERBATIM. No changes. At all. Maybe adjust the color palette a bit. The same palette as worked on the Mandalorian would work here. It would be the ultimate tribute to the fans who believed in the idea through all the years of BS.
Use Machiko too...
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 23, 2020, 04:19:26 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jul 23, 2020, 11:24:43 AM
I'm fully expecting the Alien side of things to be rebooted but I think it's 50/50 regarding the Predator side.
The dreaded fate of John Schaeffer and Machiko Noguchi...
https://i.gifer.com/BumS.gif
More like John Schaefer and Enoch Nakai. I lump the 90's AVP comics in with the 90's Aliens line since there's crossover between them; specifically with "War" being a sequel to "Berserker" and "DotS" referencing "Earth War" so Machiko has kinda already been rebooted out of the timeline along with all those stories. But to this day there's been no glaring contradictions with the Predator films and the Predator EU so one can hope Marvel doesn't discard or discount it.
Disney doesn't care about continuity with anything.
This is their baby now, it will have its own continuity with its own reboot under the Disney banner.
The only thing they might keep, the way Star Wars kept TCW, is Isolation.
imagine if disney wanted to make an isolation sequel :o
which would probably go to ea :-\
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 24, 2020, 04:49:29 PM
imagine if disney wanted to make an isolation sequel :o
which would probably go to ea :-\
THE ALIEN HAS FOUND YOU!pay 3 dollars for a flamethrower? or do you want to die and restart this whole segment?
:laugh: you joke, but we'll probably see microtransactions in cold iron's game, when it comes out in 2030
Better not be any MT!
Well, the Cold Iron game is apparently going to be an open-world shlooter unfortunately, so microtransactions are essentially a guarantee. Hopefully it is like Destiny 2 where they are in no way required (the only thing I've ever spent money on in D2 is expansions/season passes, which makes sense given the game's MMO structure). But honestly, open-world in the Alien universe just feels off to me... Alien is all about cramped, dark corridors.
Quote from: Tichinde on Jul 24, 2020, 04:59:51 PM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 24, 2020, 04:49:29 PM
imagine if disney wanted to make an isolation sequel :o
which would probably go to ea :-\
THE ALIEN HAS FOUND YOU!
pay 3 dollars for a flamethrower? or do you want to die and restart this whole segment?
So true
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 24, 2020, 06:37:20 PM
Well, the Cold Iron game is apparently going to be an open-world shlooter unfortunately, so microtransactions are essentially a guarantee. Hopefully it is like Destiny 2 where they are in no way required (the only thing I've ever spent money on in D2 is expansions/season passes, which makes sense given the game's MMO structure). But honestly, open-world in the Alien universe just feels off to me... Alien is all about cramped, dark corridors.
Nightmare, for someone like me who is not familiar with these terms in a practical sense, how does open world differ from say Isolation, ore even from some of the other Aliens games? We had an open world in Colonial Marines didn't we? We were allowed to walk around outside in many sections. Am I missing something?
Open world refers to games like Elder Scrolls, GTA, Witcher, and Red Dead Redemption.
Predator Concrete Jungle was open world but no other games in either franchise as far as I can remember.
I have played literally none of those games. So what this just means is that we will be dealing with a much larger map and it will be outdoors?
i think that's a good way to summarize; more space to roam and explore, less restrictions/containment
Anyone notice the prices spiking on older DH comics, particularly crossovers like Batman vs Predator? Those definitely won't be reprinted.
Quote from: AnthaiHero on Jul 25, 2020, 06:14:59 PM
Anyone notice the prices spiking on older DH comics, particularly crossovers like Batman vs Predator? Those definitely won't be reprinted.
I haven't been keeping an eye on it but am very curious how aftermarket prices are reacting. Glad I've picked up all the back issues I want.
I have the collection of BVP and like an idiot I also accidentally picked up the trades of the second and third. I may have spent 12 dollars on the third last year and it's now running 90.
At least you can still pick up JLA versus Predator for a reasonable price.
EDIT: 200 dollars + on Amazon for the somewhat recent collection. Whoah :o
Wow, wonder how well it's selling at those prices.
I see the latest issue of Comic Shop News has some coverage of the license change. Anyone able to pick this up in a shop? I feel like CSN usually gets a statement from DH on stuff.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/293660275681
Quote from: Rambo on Jul 25, 2020, 06:20:10 PM
Quote from: AnthaiHero on Jul 25, 2020, 06:14:59 PM
Anyone notice the prices spiking on older DH comics, particularly crossovers like Batman vs Predator? Those definitely won't be reprinted.
I haven't been keeping an eye on it but am very curious how aftermarket prices are reacting. Glad I've picked up all the back issues I want.
PRices on most alien and predator comics have started to go up now, especielly the omnibious and collections and the rare ones.
I already had the Tpb of batman vs predator and the variant singles. I just bought the original 3 issues and the alternate cover issue #1 (some of my all time favorite cover art, series is wonderful too) for $6 ea. Mint, never read or opened. I bought the last issues, cant find them for a reasonable price now. :-\
I have the tpb of Bloodmatch but I don't have the 3rd series.
Prices getting crazy and many series are hard to find online already. Glad I'm 98% complete, would be hard to collect for a reasonable price now.
I use www.mycomicshop.com and www.grahamcrackercomics.com a lot in my collecting.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 15, 2020, 01:47:41 AM
I already had the Tpb of batman vs predator and the variant singles. I just bought the original 3 issues and the alternate cover issue #1 (some of my all time favorite cover art, series is wonderful too) for $6 ea. Mint, never read or opened. I bought the last issues, cant find them for a reasonable price now. :-\
I have the tpb of Bloodmatch but I don't have the 3rd series.
Prices getting crazy and many series are hard to find online already. Glad I'm 98% complete, would be hard to collect for a reasonable price now.
I use www.mycomicshop.com and www.grahamcrackercomics.com a lot in my collecting.
Glad you got those issues unread! The covers crease so easily on those versions, and I agree the cover art is fantastic. MyComicShop has been great, thankfully I had already everything that's seeing these price spikes. It's the normally pricey variants and exclusives I'm still tracking down. Haven't used GC before, always seemed pricey, but since I just realized they have a local pickup option for me, might be time to start.
If they don't pick up where dark horse left off I might cry ngl. Now that Detective Shaefer is back we have so many opportunities for stories and with Hunting Grounds bringing back Dutch as a predator hunter they could be bros in the business of hunting aliens idk. They probably will try to create a more "original" universe and undermine everything DH has done since the 90s :'(
Predator is probably going to start with its own thing with whatever Marvel is doing. I don't see them immediately picking up the ball where Darkhorse leaves off since I doubt they know where Darkhorse even is. Marvel will probably do its own thing to start with and maybe a mini after that but I expect once they get into a groove they'll do what they did with Star Wars and start porting over characters and older stories. With much less to go off of I could also see them doing the Darkhorse stuff with reprints and then using that as a baseline for the Marvel era. The last reboot only left Hunters and the AVP stuff so it's not like it has the same issue as Alien where a million things came out and having to sort through that. Predator as for the latest reboot has three books and a couple of AVP beyond novels which I'm not sure would be affected by this or not.
Edit: I think Al Ewing is getting close to his end on Immortal Hulk and he's a guy for continuity. So should he get the title we'd probably get a lot of older stuff grandfathered into the Marvel era.
Quote from: Rambo on Aug 15, 2020, 05:17:28 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 15, 2020, 01:47:41 AM
I already had the Tpb of batman vs predator and the variant singles. I just bought the original 3 issues and the alternate cover issue #1 (some of my all time favorite cover art, series is wonderful too) for $6 ea. Mint, never read or opened. I bought the last issues, cant find them for a reasonable price now. :-\
I have the tpb of Bloodmatch but I don't have the 3rd series.
Prices getting crazy and many series are hard to find online already. Glad I'm 98% complete, would be hard to collect for a reasonable price now.
I use www.mycomicshop.com and www.grahamcrackercomics.com a lot in my collecting.
Glad you got those issues unread! The covers crease so easily on those versions, and I agree the cover art is fantastic. MyComicShop has been great, thankfully I had already everything that's seeing these price spikes. It's the normally pricey variants and exclusives I'm still tracking down. Haven't used GC before, always seemed pricey, but since I just realized they have a local pickup option for me, might be time to start.
I'm having a hard time tracking down Batman vs Predator III. Only need issue 4 now but I cannot find it for a good price. Also the TPB and the big collected TPB that has all 3 Batman/Predator series are only available for crazy prices.
After reading more into how marvel is stealing fans designs and stuff for their star wars comics and now with the copying and shitting on the Dark horse artists Im now boycotting marvel.
I boycotted microsoft xbox one after their E3 2013 and havent even touched that shit console so its a permament decision.
I,m not console guy myself but just out of curiosity - what turned you away from Xbox One ?
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 01, 2020, 08:09:50 PM
I,m not console guy myself but just out of curiosity - what turned you away from Xbox One ?
Microsoft said at their E3 show that xbox one would be a must online console and use the cloud function to boost graphics and all games sold will be locked to the console and require online to even play, and you cant sell the game or if the console crashes get the game working on a different console. So microsoft wanted in short: demolish the second hand amrket: you have to get the game brand new directly from microsoft and it will only work as long as microsoft has the servers up for the console, once they close them: you wont be able to play them anymore or have to get the next console they release.... So they control what you can play and when, charge max profit as stores wont sell second hand games, remove any chance of playing the games in the future and its a service now type of service, you dont own the game.
They got so much backlash that they changed it but to this day you can tell the console was meant for online must and cloud use, although they changed their minds they showed what they think and they hate people being able to play games from previous owners and not buy the games directly new or being able to own the games for the future. After that they lost me, remove my owner right and I f**king walk away.
What can I say - that sucks
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Microsoft said at their e# show ...
Holding Shift too much ? I have that bad habbit too :D
How did it work out that Marvel gets to reprint the work the DH did? It seems logical that they have the franchise moving forward due to the Fox/Disney merger, but how is it that they get to reprint someone else's work? Did DH have the worst contract ever with Fox that allowed them to basically run off with all their work? Or is this in partnership with DH? Sorry if a dumb question. The few articles I've looked at don't address this aspect of the deal, so I was curious if anyone knew or I just missed it.
Quote from: guymelfe on Sep 06, 2020, 02:41:11 AM
How did it work out that Marvel gets to reprint the work the DH did? It seems logical that they have the franchise moving forward due to the Fox/Disney merger, but how is it that they get to reprint someone else's work? Did DH have the worst contract ever with Fox that allowed them to basically run off with all their work? Or is this in partnership with DH? Sorry if a dumb question. The few articles I've looked at don't address this aspect of the deal, so I was curious if anyone knew or I just missed it.
Disney owns the franchise, and thus owns the rights to any material made. When they moved operations from Dark Horse to Marvel, they also inherited Dark Horse's backlog. The same thing happened with Star Wars.
Quote from: guymelfe on Sep 06, 2020, 02:41:11 AM
How did it work out that Marvel gets to reprint the work the DH did? It seems logical that they have the franchise moving forward due to the Fox/Disney merger, but how is it that they get to reprint someone else's work? Did DH have the worst contract ever with Fox that allowed them to basically run off with all their work? Or is this in partnership with DH? Sorry if a dumb question. The few articles I've looked at don't address this aspect of the deal, so I was curious if anyone knew or I just missed it.
It's quite a normal process. When Dark Horse took over the Star Wars license many years ago, they reprinted all of Marvel's old Star Wars series too.
I quite like the idea of the Predators interacting with the heroes of the Marvel Noir-verse.
Yeah, Predator to me just naturally fits better in crossovers, especially when you're dealing with Marvel superheroes.
I'm awaiting the inevitable Alien vs XMen where Aliens are born with host mutant powers.
I'm sure DC has already knocked that one out.
Yeah, but now we need Marvel Branded Super AliensTM.
The aliens already killed a lesser comic publishers superheroes and did that very thing. And the characters that died stayed dead.
As long as these silly cross-overs are kept as a separate canon I'm ok with all of this. Particularly i would be ok with seeing a Venom Aliens cross-over.
https://twitter.com/ValerioSchiti/status/1310193055031603201
I'm starting to be more and more convinced we won't get any crossovers with mainstream Marvel characters.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 06, 2020, 06:23:11 AM
https://twitter.com/ValerioSchiti/status/1310193055031603201
Let's hope the line art he's doing is actually from his sketch, and we're not getting another Land situation.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Oct 06, 2020, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 06, 2020, 06:23:11 AM
https://twitter.com/ValerioSchiti/status/1310193055031603201
Let's hope the line art he's doing is actually from his sketch, and we're not getting another Land situation.
Im sure it's not.
Quote from: EJA on Oct 06, 2020, 03:12:11 PM
I'm starting to be more and more convinced we won't get any crossovers with mainstream Marvel characters.
Are you glad or mad ?
Quote from: RidgeTop on Oct 06, 2020, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 06, 2020, 06:23:11 AM
https://twitter.com/ValerioSchiti/status/1310193055031603201
Let's hope the line art he's doing is actually from his sketch, and we're not getting another Land situation.
Well Googling Valerio Schiti doesn't result in dozens of articles about plagiarism, so... :D
Quote from: EJA on Oct 06, 2020, 03:12:11 PM
I'm starting to be more and more convinced we won't get any crossovers with mainstream Marvel characters.
Not sure what's changing your mind. We've hardly heard anything.
I'm sure they'll do the occasional crossover. I don't see why not.
Crossovers....
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Dark Horse has already done the crossover thing with DC so does it really matter if its Iron Man and Wolverine instead of Superman and Batman?
Well, there's a fear that crossover stuff is gonna be majority of Marvel Aliens comics. Only time will tell
IGN reported that Alien and Predator would stay in their own universe and wouldn't simply be rolled into the superhero universe, but I'm not sure where they got that info.
I know Conan got to stay in his own universe and remained pretty violent, so that bodes well.
Yeah, but he also crossed over with the Marvel universe too:
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Regardless of how they might ultimately be handled or how long it takes, I think the chances of Aliens and/or Predator not getting any crossovers at all is pretty much nil.
I'm ok with the occasional crossover provided that the main canon remains separate. If they try to fit the main Aliens films into the MU of MCU somehow... yikes!
Yikes indeed
Marvel's January solicts are out, and there are a bunch of "Marvel vs Alien" variant covers listed, including ones for Venom #32 by Ryan Brown:
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King in Black #3 by Valerio Giangiordano:
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Black Cat #2 by Peach Momoko:
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Guardians of the Galaxy #10 by Pepe Larraz
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Iron Fist - Heart of the Dragon #1 by Kim Jacinto:
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Wolverine #9 by R.B. Silva:
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X-Men #17 by Russel Dauterman:
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Iron Man #5 by :Junggeun Yoon:
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Immortal Hulk #43 by Declan Shalvey:
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Fantastic Four #28 by Joshua Cassara:
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Avengers #41 by Leinil Yu:
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Captain America #27 by Ivan Shavrin:
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Captain Marvel #25 by Jamie McKelvie:
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Black Widow #5 by Terry Dodson:
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Amazing Spider-Man #56 by Mark Bagley:
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Miles Morales - Spider-Man #22 by Valerio Schiti:
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Thor #11 by Daniel Warren Johnson:
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Shang-Chi #5 by Iban Coello:
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There are also listing for variants for Spider-Woman #8 by Javier Garron, Daredevil #26 by Rahzzah and X-Force #16 and Marauders #17 both by Salvador Larroca, but those don't seem to have been revealed yet.
There's a few more that can be seen here. I guess they're doing this for every comic they're releasing in January.
https://www.gamesradar.com/aliens-vs-marvel-universe-crossover-revealed-for-2021-across-variant-covers/
Meh. I guess it is fun but most of the art doesn't really seem like anything special to me.
The Venom covers are nice, so is the GotG cover. My guess it February is Predator cover month, then the first actual series in March or April.
Some of these look pretty good, but I hate it when artists draw the neck too far forward, so the vast majority of the head is protruding backwards. The Captain American one is a perfect example. It looks so goofy to me.
The Iron Man one has the same issue... and is that a BRAIN under the dome in that one? God.
Are these artists just drawing the alien from memory after seeing the film years ago?
Really like the Venom and Captain Marvel one! Definitely a great way to build the Aliens hype amongst Marvel readers!
Hi. As a true fan .... I feel sad. Terrible. Useless Horrible hugly. Nothing special. Not fun I feel sorry mr Giger So sorry
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1319354658532413440
Anyone noticed any similarities?
Some works very solid, but some very cheap.
Cheap:
Spider-man
Black Cat
Black widow
Captain America
Fantastic Four
Iron Fist
Another Spider-man
Thor
Wolverine
Solid:
Black panter
Captain Marver
Guardians of the Galaxy
Hulk
Iron Man
King Black
Shang Chi
Venom
Big Chap in Halk cover - the best. 1:1 my Eaglemoss statue.
Quote from: Kailem on Oct 22, 2020, 04:28:52 PM
Marvel's January solicts are out, and there are a bunch of "Marvel vs Alien" variant covers listed, including ones for Venom #32 by Ryan Brown:
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King in Black #3 by Valerio Giangiordano:
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Black Cat #2 by Peach Momoko:
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Guardians of the Galaxy #10 by Pepe Larraz
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Iron Fist - Heart of the Dragon #1 by Kim Jacinto:
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Wolverine #9 by R.B. Silva:
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X-Men #17 by Russel Dauterman:
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Iron Man #5 by :Junggeun Yoon:
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Immortal Hulk #43 by Declan Shalvey:
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Fantastic Four #28 by Joshua Cassara:
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Avengers #41 by Leinil Yu:
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Captain America #27 by Ivan Shavrin:
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Captain Marvel #25 by Jamie McKelvie:
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Black Widow #5 by Terry Dodson:
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Amazing Spider-Man #56 by Mark Bagley:
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Miles Morales - Spider-Man #22 by Valerio Schiti:
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Thor #11 by Daniel Warren Johnson:
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Shang-Chi #5 by Iban Coello:
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There are also listing for variants for Spider-Woman #8 by Javier Garron, Daredevil #26 by Rahzzah and X-Force #16 and Marauders #17 both by Salvador Larroca, but those don't seem to have been revealed yet.
Nice post Kailem!
Is it me or does that Hulk vs the Xenomorph feel just a wee bit ridiculous?
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 22, 2020, 07:19:50 PM
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1319354658532413440
Anyone noticed any similarities?
All I've noticed is that the awful thing on the Amazing Spider-man cover looks like the Greg Land monstrosity from a different angle.
That Amazing Spidey one is awful. :-X But Ryan Brown's vs Venom is fantastic! It's giving me Glenn Fabry vibes. But not in a "I think he's copied it" kind of way. How awful is it that we're just nearly automatically weary of this from Marvel now?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 22, 2020, 07:19:50 PM
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1319354658532413440
Anyone noticed any similarities?
The Miles Morales one definitely reminded me of this Defiance cover, but I'm positive I've seen an Alien in that specific pose somewhere else as well:
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 22, 2020, 07:26:28 PMNice post Kailem!
Is it me or does that Hulk vs the Xenomorph feel just a wee bit ridiculous?
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A little. I feel like Hulk could probably crush a single Alien pretty easily! :laugh:
Oh no
The Venom one looks great. I do like the Captain Marvel one too. The reference on the Guardians cover is great.
I liked the Avengers one at first, but now I've noticed that the gums are red and the left arm is way longer than the right...
Get this shit off my alien franchise.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 22, 2020, 07:19:50 PM
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1319354658532413440
Anyone noticed any similarities?
I personally haven't noticed any but I wouldn't be surprised if Tristan has strongly influenced other artists' renditions of the alien considering how both impressive and recent his work is.
This is bullshit , get those out of my childhood.
Some look good; some are terrible.
I really just came in to joke about who's nicked Tristan's stuff this time, and it looks like it's not a joke? I like the Captain Marvel one, but the Alien in that one is oddly reminiscent.
Quote from: bobby brown on Oct 22, 2020, 08:29:39 PM
Get this shit off my alien franchise.
Right. I hope it will not work beyond the covers and posters. Otherwise, it would be great if every avenger got a chestburster.
Quote from: David's Creation on Oct 22, 2020, 06:13:21 PM
The Iron Man one has the same issue... and is that a BRAIN under the dome in that one? God.
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Ugh. So disrespectful to the source material
This is a Nightmare... :-
The Venom cover is beautiful.
Coincidentally the Alien Venom cover resemble a frame from the youtube video SUPER-VILLAIN-BOWL! - TOON SANDWICH
https://youtu.be/YMnAGN2gRsw?t=111
https://apis.mail.aol.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-nv_9nsNW3QXKEzuZ9fEEuOjPC2oufPCqOT-ChpRKE0AKQTPAJK3IKkg32j-A5aXdC2q565EQb9Q_CLSwgSefAw/messages/@.id==AFRlDBpFirctX5IjXQPoABIOoRk/content/parts/@.id==3/thumbnail?appId=aolwebmail&downloadWhenThumbnailFails=true&pid=3
https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/122197965_10224461644227046_2311331927106090470_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=lXaY2Rlx0wIAX-WpF1F&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&oh=1c2ae36485074c0b01c1baa841093650&oe=5FB8ED5D
Quote from: Kailem on Oct 22, 2020, 08:15:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 22, 2020, 07:26:28 PMNice post Kailem!
Is it me or does that Hulk vs the Xenomorph feel just a wee bit ridiculous?
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A little. I feel like Hulk could probably crush a single Alien pretty easily! :laugh:
Acid, smashid. Like a bug!
They wasted no time, and all at once to boot :D
Can't say I'm looking forward to any crossovers, but I do find some of those covers pretty great, the Venom one in particular. Looks like that one could have potential. Nervous for the Predator ones, if they're next...
A bunch of them don't look very good but given they're just a bunch of variant covers it's not the worst thing in the world. I'm more worried about who the artist is on the actual launch for Marvel's Alien rather than a bunch of guys doing variant covers.
Predator is probably next and I really hope they get more dynamic poses or more interesting encounters on the covers.
As atrocious as some of these are, I gotta say, at least it's not in Fox's hands anymore, they were really driving it into the ground. That said, hopefully Disney/Marvel takes it easy on the crossovers and actually give the series the attention it deserves and returns it to it's former glory.
Quote from: SM on Oct 22, 2020, 08:53:55 PM
Some look good; some are terrible.
I really just came in to joke about who's nicked Tristan's stuff this time, and it looks like it's not a joke? I like the Captain Marvel one, but the Alien in that one is oddly reminiscent.
The Wolverine one is just the Isolation cover image with some adjustments.
Most of them look meh at best but I like the fact that they havent even announced a new alien series but they already got covers of their superheroes crossing over with alien
Marvel is sadly no longer a place of good storytelling due to its writers and artist think it's there own personal soap box to tell everybody there own political views even though we just came for a good story
At least the SiL fanboy is happy lol. Happy to see there's at least one guarenteed buyer for this crap. Hopefully they use the money from him to make standalones. Doubt it though, as Star Wars besides Rogue One showed, these people are brain dead when it comes to storylines and originality.
There's really no need for that Nostromo. Can we not discourse without slinging insults at those who disagree?
For God's sake, these are fun pieces of artwork designed to welcome the franchise into the Marvel stable and build hype. You don't have to add drama to everything.
It's also amazing that some of you guys are up in arms for this but were cool with mock children's books about the alien being best friends with Jonesy.
Relax. There's nothing they can do that could be worse than AVP-R.
Quote from: Kane's other son on Oct 23, 2020, 05:03:36 PM
For God's sake, these are fun pieces of artwork designed to welcome the franchise into the Marvel stable and build hype. You don't have to add drama to everything.
When some of the art is blatantly plagiarized, I think the "artists" guilty of doing that are kind of bringing the drama onto themselves.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 23, 2020, 05:22:14 PM
Quote from: Kane's other son on Oct 23, 2020, 05:03:36 PM
For God's sake, these are fun pieces of artwork designed to welcome the franchise into the Marvel stable and build hype. You don't have to add drama to everything.
When some of the art is blatantly plagiarized, I think the "artists" guilty of doing that are kind of bringing the drama onto themselves.
Are some of the new covers rip offs?
https://twitter.com/Engineer_LV426/status/1319359350683492357
Even Tristan is putting this behind him. You are not doing anyone any favours.
I'm sorry for not wanting to just blindly consume recycled art over and over again.
And it isn't going to just be limited to these "for fun" covers, if Marvel's Star Wars comics are anything to go by.
Dark Horse had a ton of issues as well. This isn't me blindly hating on Marvel. I really love a lot of Marvel stuff, and I don't care what company is making the stuff I read so long as it is good. I just... want to enjoy what I'm seeing, and I'm not really feeling this stuff so far.
Look what they did, they massacred my boy! Saw this coming from another galaxy far far away.
Yeah the wolverine one is a obviously one the xenomorph is just a modified one from a alien isolation cover
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 23, 2020, 12:57:38 PM
Marvel is sadly no longer a place of good storytelling due to its writers and artist think it's there own personal soap box to tell everybody there own political views even though we just came for a good story
That's literally Marvel comics my dude.
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 23, 2020, 12:57:38 PM
Marvel is sadly no longer a place of good storytelling due to its writers and artist think it's there own personal soap box to tell everybody there own political views even though we just came for a good story
How
dare writers use their art form/mode of storytelling to be political! ::)
Well, I think he implied there's nothing but writters using art form/mode of storytelling to be political in Marvel comics these days. I can't say myself because well haven't read any Marvel comics
Quote from: Nostromo on Oct 23, 2020, 01:27:49 PM
At least the SiL fanboy is happy lol. Happy to see there's at least one guarenteed buyer for this crap. Hopefully they use the money from him to make standalones. Doubt it though, as Star Wars besides Rogue One showed, these people are brain dead when it comes to storylines and originality.
I'm not buying any of these, I just liked a picture. I don't even know who you are.
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 23, 2020, 12:57:38 PM
Marvel is sadly no longer a place of good storytelling due to its writers and artist think it's there own personal soap box to tell everybody there own political views even though we just came for a good story
Stan Lee literally had
Stan's Soapbox and Jack Kirby had Captain American
punch Hitler a year before America entered the war. I know we're talking comics here but grow up.
Won't somebody think of the fascists??
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 24, 2020, 06:49:19 AM
Well, I think he implied there's nothing but writters using art form/mode of storytelling to be political in Marvel comics these days. I can't say myself because well haven't read any Marvel comics
And every Alien film is political. As it, well, essentially every story.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 24, 2020, 12:27:28 PM
And every Alien film is political. As it, well, essentially every story.
How so ?
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 24, 2020, 04:41:10 PM
How so ?
Alien is all about the employees of big corporate entity being stripped of their rights and sent down to survey a signal under forfeiture of shares for work that they had already completed, with their lives quite literally put on the line in order to preserve a specimen for the company. If that isn't saying anything about workers rights in a corporate workspace, I don't really know what is.
By
Aliens, you start to explore a very critical look at the US military complex. Here you have the United States Colonial Marines, emphasis on United States, getting their strings pulled by this mega-corporation. People are once again expendable in favor of the almighty dollar. And the presentation of the marines themselves is a pretty well-documented stand-in for the mentality of the US military during the Vietnam War, and it is harshly critical of that - people remember all of the fun, quippy one-liners, but what they forget is that this OOH RAH mentality is actually a blanket that these characters hide behind and are limited by, a presentation of people so high on their own belief in unmatched power. The film then explicitly challenges that power and because the marines are so woefully unprepared, they fail miserably, with most of them dying in the span of a single scene.
Repeat these concepts ad infinitum, throughout the franchise, with various different takes and ideologies attached each time, but they are all political nonetheless.
This is like the people whining that Star Wars or comic books are only just now becoming political. Star Wars was literally a story about a rebellion going up against a fascist government from its very first film, and as time went on, it began to explore the dichotomy of those two structures and how a democracy could crumble into fascism in real time. Comic books have always made it a point to represent characters from every walk of life, with the heroes often being the "little guy" and the villains representing the big institutions with a chokehold on our world.
Some people just like to forget that all of the stories they love are political, until they see a person of color or a woman or LGBT representation, and then all of a sudden it is only
now political in their eye, so they take to the internet to scream about it. People overlook the fact that Luke Skywalker was toppling space Nazis and that Iron Man was a weapons developer who found new meaning in life and switched gears to using his money to help people. Both of those narratives are inherently political to their core. But it only becomes apparent to some people that these stories are political when you swap Luke out with Rey, or Iron Man with Captain Marvel, or John Connor with Dani Ramos, etc.
I shit you not, I saw people complaining about HBO's
Watchmen being political.
Watchmen. Political. Who knew!?!
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 24, 2020, 04:41:10 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 24, 2020, 12:27:28 PM
And every Alien film is political. As it, well, essentially every story.
How so ?
Nightmare Asylum pretty much covered it. I'll just as the end of Alien 3 is an incredibly unsubtle pro-choice metaphor, as well.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 24, 2020, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 24, 2020, 04:41:10 PM
How so ?
Alien is all about the employees of big corporate entity being stripped of their rights and sent down to survey a signal under forfeiture of shares for work that they had already completed, with their lives quite literally put on the line in order to preserve a specimen for the company. If that isn't saying anything about workers rights in a corporate workspace, I don't really know what is.
By Aliens, you start to explore a very critical look at the US military complex. Here you have the United States Colonial Marines, emphasis on United States, getting their strings pulled by this mega-corporation. People are once again expendable in favor of the almighty dollar. And the presentation of the marines themselves is a pretty well-documented stand-in for the mentality of the US military during the Vietnam War, and it is harshly critical of that - people remember all of the fun, quippy one-liners, but what they forget is that this OOH RAH mentality is actually a blanket that these characters hide behind and are limited by, a presentation of people so high on their own belief in unmatched power. The film then explicitly challenges that power and because the marines are so woefully unprepared, they fail miserably, with most of them dying in the span of a single scene.
Repeat these concepts ad infinitum, throughout the franchise, with various different takes and ideologies attached each time, but they are all political nonetheless.
This is like the people whining that Star Wars or comic books are only just now becoming political. Star Wars was literally a story about a rebellion going up against a fascist government from its very first film, and as time went on, it began to explore the dichotomy of those two structures and how a democracy could crumble into fascism in real time. Comic books have always made it a point to represent characters from every walk of life, with the heroes often being the "little guy" and the villains representing the big institutions with a chokehold on our world.
Some people just like to forget that all of the stories they love are political, until they see a person of color or a woman or LGBT representation, and then all of a sudden it is only now political in their eye, so they take to the internet to scream about it. People overlook the fact that Luke Skywalker was toppling space Nazis and that Iron Man was a weapons developer who found new meaning in life and switched gears to using his money to help people. Both of those narratives are inherently political to their core. But it only becomes apparent to some people that these stories are political when you swap Luke out with Rey, or Iron Man with Captain Marvel, or John Connor with Dani Ramos, etc.
I shit you not, I saw people complaining about HBO's Watchmen being political. Watchmen. Political. Who knew!?!
OK, I get it now. Maybe back in the day it was more ... subtle ? I mean, there's a lot to Alien movies besides political stuff
I don't know... everything I listed out feels pretty surface level to me. I didn't exactly do much digging or analysis when I wrote any of that. It is just inherently part of the material.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 24, 2020, 05:09:03 PM
Alien is all about the employees of big corporate entity being stripped of their rights and sent down to survey a signal under forfeiture of shares for work that they had already completed, with their lives quite literally put on the line in order to preserve a specimen for the company. If that isn't saying anything about workers rights in a corporate workspace, I don't really know what is.
I wouldn't say Alien is all about this, nor the majority experience of those who kick back, have a beer and give Alien a go on the old telly. It's subtle enough not to notice, yet prominent enough for those to pick through with deeper analysis. Aliens too.
The only way it isn't there is if you are choosing to ignore it. Which is exactly what people are doing when they claim that "modern" films are political while the "classic" ones that they grew up with are not.
Just because they didn't pick up on what's there doesn't mean that the film didn't put it forward, nor does it mean that the filmmakers behind contemporary outings don't have the justification to use their art to explore whatever ideas and messages that they see fit.
Everything has been, is and will be political. Even the entertainment. Below you've Disney's anti-Nazi propaganda (1943).
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2020, 03:33:53 PM
The only way it isn't there is if you are choosing to ignore it. Which is exactly what people are doing when they claim that "modern" films are political while the "classic" ones that they grew up with are not.
Just because they didn't pick up on what's there doesn't mean that the film didn't put it forward, nor does it mean that the filmmakers behind contemporary outings don't have the justification to use their art to explore whatever ideas and messages that they see fit.
First you say they are choosing to ignore it. Then you say they didn't pick up on it?
You're arguing things I didn't argue. I never said if it's subtle, it doesn't mean the film didn't put it forward nor doesn't have the justification to do so. I'm just observing that Alien is subtle enough that many who watch Alien just see a great atmospheric monster movie, not a statement about "workers rights in a corporate workspace". I'm not arguing for or against the general need for a subtle hand, just that subtlety exists in Alien.
But it really isn't subtle though. It is the very thing that kicks off the plot. The characters literally sit around a table arguing about it.
As for my comment about the "justification" to do so, that was more in response to earlier comments in this thread about how Marvel is "ruining" things by getting political now, not specifically what you were saying. I should have been more clear about that in how I structured my post.
Voodoo is wrong. It isn't subtle at all.To say that it is, is a bit of a stretch.
A non subtle statement about "workers rights in a corporate workspace?" We agree to disagree my friend! :)
Guy who bitches about getting underpaid the whole movie cursing out the Company, asking "The damn company. What about our lives, you son of a bitch?" and angrily torching the corporate shill sent to jeopardize them all for profit after being told their lives are completely disposable really isn't subtle.
Nightmare is right. Politics have always been there, and they've always been worn on the films' respective sleeves.
Even in, more or less recent times,
Wasn't the prequel trilogy in Star Wars quite political anyway? :laugh:
QuoteThe only way it isn't there is if you are choosing to ignore it. Which is exactly what people are doing when they claim that "modern" films are political while the "classic" ones that they grew up with are not.
In a nutshell.
I think many people have trouble accepting that politics pervades everything because it means having to question if they're the baddies.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 25, 2020, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2020, 03:33:53 PM
The only way it isn't there is if you are choosing to ignore it. Which is exactly what people are doing when they claim that "modern" films are political while the "classic" ones that they grew up with are not.
Just because they didn't pick up on what's there doesn't mean that the film didn't put it forward, nor does it mean that the filmmakers behind contemporary outings don't have the justification to use their art to explore whatever ideas and messages that they see fit.
First you say they are choosing to ignore it. Then you say they didn't pick up on it?
You're arguing things I didn't argue. I never said if it's subtle, it doesn't mean the film didn't put it forward nor doesn't have the justification to do so. I'm just observing that Alien is subtle enough that many who watch Alien just see a great atmospheric monster movie, not a statement about "workers rights in a corporate workspace". I'm not arguing for or against the general need for a subtle hand, just that subtlety exists in Alien.
I'm one of those people. I had never picked up on the workers rights, or other plot points in the movies until I started frequenting this forum. It's not something that I chose to ignore, though it is worth mentioning that (only being a very casual viewer of the movies) I never really paid attention to the other threads of the plot besides the main horror element.
It may be less about subtly and more about how individuals watch movies/listen to music/etc. I know when watching The Twilight Zone, it's much easier for me to appreciate the message because I find them
incredibly obvious :laugh:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 25, 2020, 04:18:46 PM
I'm just observing that Alien is subtle enough that many who watch Alien just see a great atmospheric monster movie, not a statement about "workers rights in a corporate workspace". I'm not arguing for or against the general need for a subtle hand, just that subtlety exists in Alien.
This makes me appreciate this universe even more. Even if I go to see an atmospheric monster movie, I'm going to get more than a typical flicks about monsters eating people.
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Although it all depends on who is directing. But as some says...there is the real magic; different talents = different takes from the original concept. :laugh:
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 25, 2020, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2020, 03:33:53 PM
The only way it isn't there is if you are choosing to ignore it. Which is exactly what people are doing when they claim that "modern" films are political while the "classic" ones that they grew up with are not.
Just because they didn't pick up on what's there doesn't mean that the film didn't put it forward, nor does it mean that the filmmakers behind contemporary outings don't have the justification to use their art to explore whatever ideas and messages that they see fit.
First you say they are choosing to ignore it. Then you say they didn't pick up on it?
You're arguing things I didn't argue. I never said if it's subtle, it doesn't mean the film didn't put it forward nor doesn't have the justification to do so. I'm just observing that Alien is subtle enough that many who watch Alien just see a great atmospheric monster movie, not a statement about "workers rights in a corporate workspace". I'm not arguing for or against the general need for a subtle hand, just that subtlety exists in Alien.
I'm one of those people. I had never picked up on the workers rights, or other plot points in the movies until I started frequenting this forum. It's not something that I chose to ignore, though it is worth mentioning that (only being a very casual viewer of the movies) I never really paid attention to the other threads of the plot besides the main horror element.
It may be less about subtly and more about how individuals watch movies/listen to music/etc. I know when watching The Twilight Zone, it's much easier for me to appreciate the message because I find them incredibly obvious :laugh:
Subtle or not, I must admit that I have not always been aware of how political movies and the entertainment industry in general can be. But again, I used to find the lunch scene in Jurassic Park boring af, until I grew up, with the scene also growing in me. I guess it is due to learning and personal maturity.
Also, I don't think there is always direct government pressure. After all, politics affect our lives. So I can imagine an artist addressing political and contingency issues in his/her works.
Some may be obvious and others more subtle. However, one thing is for sure ;D
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I think it's also whether those politics align with your beliefs or not.
I think most people would watch Alien and think "yeah, companies sure do suck". It's not a challenge to their beliefs so it doesn't register as a political statement.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 25, 2020, 11:15:07 PM
I think it's also whether those politics align with your beliefs or not.
I think most people would watch Alien and think "yeah, companies sure do suck". It's not a challenge to their beliefs so it doesn't register as a political statement.
Or they have no strong beliefs either way. Some believe some companies are good, some companies suck, and in Alien they're simply featuring one that sucks (and then some.) Basically if no statements come across as blanket statements, it never feels inherently political.
When it's subtle, many only find subtext, when they're looking for subtext.
Quote from: Wysps on Oct 25, 2020, 10:00:32 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 25, 2020, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 25, 2020, 03:33:53 PM
The only way it isn't there is if you are choosing to ignore it. Which is exactly what people are doing when they claim that "modern" films are political while the "classic" ones that they grew up with are not.
Just because they didn't pick up on what's there doesn't mean that the film didn't put it forward, nor does it mean that the filmmakers behind contemporary outings don't have the justification to use their art to explore whatever ideas and messages that they see fit.
First you say they are choosing to ignore it. Then you say they didn't pick up on it?
You're arguing things I didn't argue. I never said if it's subtle, it doesn't mean the film didn't put it forward nor doesn't have the justification to do so. I'm just observing that Alien is subtle enough that many who watch Alien just see a great atmospheric monster movie, not a statement about "workers rights in a corporate workspace". I'm not arguing for or against the general need for a subtle hand, just that subtlety exists in Alien.
I'm one of those people. I had never picked up on the workers rights, or other plot points in the movies until I started frequenting this forum. It's not something that I chose to ignore, though it is worth mentioning that (only being a very casual viewer of the movies) I never really paid attention to the other threads of the plot besides the main horror element.
It may be less about subtly and more about how individuals watch movies/listen to music/etc. I know when watching The Twilight Zone, it's much easier for me to appreciate the message because I find them incredibly obvious :laugh:
Thanks for sharing Wysps! :)
l remember someone here at AVPGalaxy interpreting Prometheus as white supremacy propaganda :laugh:
Of course he was wrong.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 25, 2020, 11:15:07 PM
I think it's also whether those politics align with your beliefs or not.
I think most people would watch Alien and think "yeah, companies sure do suck". It's not a challenge to their beliefs so it doesn't register as a political statement.
Then I guess if I were a far right...I'll go nuts and scream "white genocide" if the next Superman movie feature a Black Superman, who's is also an atheistic gay superhero.
On the other hand, if I were a far left...I'm going to be very upset if the entertainment industry continues to ignore the inclusion of non-Western actors/actricess for non-Western roles that are often played by western actors/actricess.
And in the middle of everything, if I were apolitical...I am virtually a hypocritical, useless and somewhat cynical person. I am not part of the problem, but I am not the solution either.
F**k! I am part of the problem! :-X
That's too much pressure on my brain.
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I'm a simple man. I just wanted to see a movie about a penis-headed parasite that uses rape as reproduction.
Whyyy is everything so complicated and dark these days !!!? :'(
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2020, 12:32:12 AM
When it's subtle, many only find subtext, when they're looking for subtext.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2020, 12:32:12 AM
Or they have no strong beliefs either way.
Which would still be not challenging their beliefs.
QuoteWhen it's subtle, many only find subtext, when they're looking for subtext.
There is nothing subtle about
Alien's handling of the topic.
Alien only has one thing to say about corporations and it is that they are monstrously indifferent to human suffering if it means they can earn a buck. It's not subtext, it's text. This information and message is an explicit part of the plot.
When things aren't subtle and people miss it, many make excuses for missing it. But it is OK to miss obvious things. We've all walked into walls or lampposts at some point in our lives.
Its subtle if you are not actively looking for it. I got into this fandom in my early preteen years and I didn't pick this up until I got older and more experience with the political ongoings on the US. Hell, even the example of Alien 3 with the subtext of abortion/pro-choice I didn't even think of other than Ripley making sure that the Queen does not fall to Weyland-Yutani hands. The dialogue with them arguing about how much they can learn from it and what they can become despite the face violation Ripley had received from the facehugger does mirror the pro-anti abortion arguments of letting embryo come to terms even if its a product of rape anyway, as the possible child can be a benefit to the world somehow (he/she could be a great genius, ect).
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 23, 2020, 12:57:38 PM
Marvel is sadly no longer a place of good storytelling due to its writers and artist think it's there own personal soap box to tell everybody there own political views even though we just came for a good story
But yeah don't let that one fool make yall tear each other apart. Everything has some form of political messaging, some much more in face front than others, but it is there no matter how much one wants it or not. If one wants to argue execution of combining political messaging with good storytelling now thats a different argument all together.
I mean does anyone remember the beginning to Men In Black? You know, the part when Agent K (Tommy Lee Jones) and his partner were at the US-Mexican Border that stopped a routine border patrol who caught immigrants trying to get in the US as one of the aliens that the MIB agents were looking for was disguised as an "Illegal alien" play on words right there. In Spanish, Agent K was actually being friendly with them and welcoming them into the US while making back handed complements to the border patrol about thanking them for protecting the US from "dangerous " illegal aliens. That scene wouldn't fly theses days with right leaning snowflakes crying agenda. It was a perfectly three layered writing of introducing the MIB's task of policing actual space aliens entering Earth, placing the ironic joke of two organization groups investigating "illegal aliens", while shitting on the fact that the MIB's actual task was much more real and dangerous compared to poor immigrants entering another nation only because they are desperate for a better life?
This scene right is, is delicious!
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 26, 2020, 01:51:45 AM
Hell, even the example of Alien 3 with the subtext of abortion/pro-choice I didn't even think of other than Ripley making sure that the Queen does not fall to Weyland-Yutani hands. The dialogue with them arguing about how much they can learn from it and what they can become despite the face violation Ripley had received from the facehugger does mirror the pro-anti abortion arguments of letting embryo come to terms even if its a product of rape anyway, as the possible child can be a benefit to the world somehow (he/she could be a great genius, ect).
Did you make all that up to sound clever, or is there any David Fincher quote to back it up?
It is a genuine question. Since I'm not an Alien scholar.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 26, 2020, 01:51:45 AM
Its subtle if you are not actively looking for it.
Again, what part of "the company we work for doesn't care if we die so they can get this thing" is subtle?
Whether one acknowledges that as a political sentiment or not isn't the same as the sentiment itself being obvious.
The
Alien 3 example is allegorical. It's thematic. There is subtlety there. To make the situations comparable you'd have Bishop II screaming "Abortion is wrong!" and Ripley shouting back "My body my choice" as she yeets herself into the furnace.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 26, 2020, 01:35:24 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2020, 12:32:12 AM
Or they have no strong beliefs either way.
Which would still be not challenging their beliefs.
More to the point there's no beliefs to challenge.
QuoteQuoteWhen it's subtle, many only find subtext, when they're looking for subtext.
There is nothing subtle about Alien's handling of the topic. Alien only has one thing to say about corporations and it is that they are monstrously indifferent to human suffering if it means they can earn a buck. It's not subtext, it's text. This information and message is an explicit part of the plot.
Or they don't interpret any "message" because they don't see all companies as inherently evil, just the fictional one they see in the fun B movie they're watching. Again, if no statements come across as blanket statements, it never feels inherently political to one who doesn't interpret it as such.
Special Order 937 is top secret though.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 26, 2020, 02:11:04 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 26, 2020, 01:51:45 AM
Its subtle if you are not actively looking for it.
Again, what part of "the company we work for doesn't care if we die so they can get this thing" is subtle?
The Alien 3 example is allegorical. It's thematic. There is subtlety there. To make the situations comparable you'd have Bishop II screaming "Abortion is wrong!" and Ripley shouting back "My body my choice" as she yeets herself into the furnace.
It's as allegorical as Vietnam War in Cameron's Aliens.
James Cameron: "Their training and technology are inappropriate for the specifics, and that can be seen as analogous to the inability of the superior American firepower to conquer the unseen enemy in Vietnam: a lot of firepower and very little wisdom, and it didn't work."
Still sounds like pretentious bs. The Alien 3 example, I mean.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2020, 02:20:20 AM
Again, if no statements come across as blanket statements, it never feels inherently political to one who doesn't interpret it as such.
That's not the film being subtle, that's the viewer being oblivious.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 26, 2020, 02:24:58 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2020, 02:20:20 AM
Again, if no statements come across as blanket statements, it never feels inherently political to one who doesn't interpret it as such.
That's not the film being subtle, that's the viewer being oblivious.
Nah, it's all about perspective. We'll just agree to disagree.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2020, 02:26:22 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 26, 2020, 02:24:58 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2020, 02:20:20 AM
Again, if no statements come across as blanket statements, it never feels inherently political to one who doesn't interpret it as such.
That's not the film being subtle, that's the viewer being oblivious.
Nah, it's all about perspective. We'll just agree to disagree.
When you story background it's about an industrial society...where megacorporations, who don't care about human rights, are the ones who're controling the colonization and exploration of the space...it's not about perspective.
I think I'll move on from podcasts. What a shame :laugh:
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2020, 02:26:22 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 26, 2020, 02:24:58 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2020, 02:20:20 AM
Again, if no statements come across as blanket statements, it never feels inherently political to one who doesn't interpret it as such.
That's not the film being subtle, that's the viewer being oblivious.
Nah, it's all about perspective. We'll just agree to disagree.
When you story background it's about an industrial society; where megacorporations control colonization and space who don't care about human rights...it's not about perspective.
Must disagree. To receive a "message" from the actual material being presented versus what one may infer from the fictional world this fictional alien lives in, is all contingent to one's perspective.
QuoteI think I'll move on from podcasts. What a shame :laugh:
Huh?
I think I hate you all :laugh:
But aye! We agree to disagree.
*time to use the ignore funtion to ignore almost the entire AVPGalaxy...again!* :laugh:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2020, 02:35:31 AM
To receive a "message" from the actual material being presented versus what one may infer from the fictional world this fictional alien lives in, is all contingent to one's perspective.
This is, again, arguing that the audience is oblivious to the message, not that the message isn't present.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 26, 2020, 02:38:53 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2020, 02:35:31 AM
To receive a "message" from the actual material being presented versus what one may infer from the fictional world this fictional alien lives in, is all contingent to one's perspective.
This is, again, arguing that the audience is oblivious to the message, not that the message isn't present.
This was never a debate (at least for me) that a message didn't exist, but rather it was subtle, meaning it was there for those who wanted to find one, not due to an oblivious state.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2020, 02:35:31 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2020, 02:27:14 AM
I think I'll move on from podcasts. What a shame :laugh:
Huh?
Hicks is going to kill me for this, but I meant I won't watch your shitty podscasts :laugh:
It's not a big deal anyway. Good night :P
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2020, 02:53:15 AM
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2020, 02:27:14 AM
QuoteI think I'll move on from podcasts. What a shame :laugh:
Huh?
Hicks is going to kill me for this, but I meant I won't watch your shitty podscasts :laugh:
It's not a big deal anyway. Good night
Sorry this was affecting to you in an irritating way! It's hard to judge this all in text. I was actually enjoying the general discussion. But now I see it's definitely time to move on! Cheers ! :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 26, 2020, 02:47:06 AM
This was never a debate (at least for me) that a message didn't exist, but rather it was subtle, meaning it was there for those who wanted to find one, not due to an oblivious state.
"
Clear and present", I should have said.
If the message is obvious but its political nature is lost on some, that's the audience's obliviousness to the matter.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2020, 02:01:55 AM
Did you make all that up to sound clever, or is there any David Fincher quote to back it up?
It is a genuine question. Since I'm not an Alien scholar.
Nah, Ultramorph pointed it out in his reply. I looked back at it confused as well but after looking hard and realized that the scene can also be interpreted that way. Like it really isn't supposed to but I can see how it can be seen that way.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 26, 2020, 02:11:04 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 26, 2020, 01:51:45 AM
Its subtle if you are not actively looking for it.
Again, what part of "the company we work for doesn't care if we die so they can get this thing" is subtle?
I literally explained that I did not catch this notion in my early years as I was not yet politically experienced enough to see it until later on. How is 11 year old preteen me supposed to know about the f**ked up notions of corporatism? Read my early reply again please! Are you the product of the poorly run American education system or something?
I'm not American.
It has nothing to do with political experience, the characters literally read a message from their bosses saying "we don't care if you live or die", then have a conversation with the robot about how the Company doesn't care if they live or die so long as they get the Alien. The characters finding out this information is a crucial part of the plot.
What part of it is subtle?
(9 year old non-American pre-teen me got it so I don't think it's an age thing.)
Quote from: SiL on Oct 26, 2020, 04:26:40 AM
I'm not American.
It has nothing to do with political experience, the characters literally read a message from their bosses saying "we don't care if you live or die", then have a conversation with the robot about how the Company doesn't care if they live or die so long as they get the Alien. The characters finding out this information is a crucial part of the plot.
What part of it is subtle?
Young me just wanted to see the Alien kill things and Ripley kill the Alien. How would an 11 year old catch on to such things? Like i dont know about how the kids are at your place but I deadass can tell you kids at my age at the time just wanted to see Jason or the Predator rip shit up and not care if the story or writing is good or not. To summarize, its like in that episode of the Simpsons:
Bart Simpson: Alan Moore! You wrote my favorite Radioactive Man comics.
Alan Moore: Oh, really? You liked how I made your favorite superhero a heroin-addicted jazz critic who's not radioactive?
Bart Simpson: I don't read the words, I just like it when he punches people.
— The Simpsons, "Husbands and Knives"I guess you were just smarter than me at the time. Its why I appreciate the movie more now that I'm old enough to understand. You hear that all the time when people look back at media and go "wow I can't believe that flew over my head". Of course it did, not everyone would get it. Kids are smart, but not yet fully experienced on the real world.
This sounds more like you were too young to really be watching the film, and not that the film itself was too subtle. I don't think intelligence has anything to do with it; I also wanted to watch the Alien kill things (I'd read the comics and really just wanted to see an Alien in live action), but I got engrossed in the story and so noticed all the bits that ... weren't the Alien killing things.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 26, 2020, 04:39:45 AM
This sounds more like you were too young to really be watching the film, and not that the film itself was too subtle. I don't think intelligence has anything to do with it; I also wanted to watch the Alien kill things (I'd read the comics and really just wanted to see an Alien in live action), but I got engrossed in the story and so noticed all the bits that ... weren't the Alien killing things.
If 9 year old you can figure it out but 11 year old me didn't, than it just means one thing:
People are just different.I read the comics too and even though I read the dialogue, I didn't understand some subtext at the time cuz such notions of corporatism, exploitation, and glorification of the military was beyond me, so it was just glossed over. That's why many people growing who complain about that there is politics in my media never realized about the fact that its always there, simply that it went over their heads as they were just inexperienced at the time. Sadly some people didn't mature enough to see it and understand the story better. Luckily I matured more and broadened my viewpoint in recognizing such notions, making the experience much more fulfilling and appreciative of the narrative. Its that rare moment of experiencing the film for the first time, but in a second time if you get my drift.
Not to mention, sometimes there are also people who catch it early on as they are living the experiences that the characters are living right now. The mutants of X-Men are always faced with racism, fear, and hatred for being different and I know there must have been many kids who read that and understood it better than others as they too were branded as outcasts by other kids in social circles in some manner, compared to say, a kid who is spoiled rotten and had an easier life that knows no struggle.
And then there are people like yourself who just caught on better than others. Again people are different.
Its the issue of people
still not understanding and
complaining about these political messages that were always there, despite being on this earth long enough to become experienced adults is one I hope we agree that its mind numbing.
Definitely agreed at the end there.
What have I done ?
This is what happens when you aren't more sensitive to the political themes of sci fi movies.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 25, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
Guy who bitches about getting underpaid the whole movie cursing out the Company, asking "The damn company. What about our lives, you son of a bitch?" and angrily torching the corporate shill sent to jeopardize them all for profit after being told their lives are completely disposable really isn't subtle.
Nightmare is right. Politics have always been there, and they've always been worn on the films' respective sleeves.
You are digging too deep. People just don't want another toxic and aggressive abomination like GB 2016.
Deep? :laugh: There's no digging required at all.
First Alien is arthouse, and now Alien doesn't have a blatant anti-corporate message. I eagerly await what's next.
Quote from: Drukathi on Oct 26, 2020, 09:36:07 AM
You are digging too deep. People just don't want another toxic and aggressive abomination like GB 2016.
I haven't seen the 2016
Ghostbusters, but nothing about the trailers seemed "toxic" or "agressive" to me. I just didn't think it looked particularly good (I'm not really a Paul Feig fan), so I opted to skip it.
You know what did seem toxic and aggressive? The "fans" that bitched over and over and over again about the fact that the movie starred women and just couldn't let that go, to the point where they are still holding onto it like it was some personal offense against them. And then they did it again to Star Wars. And to Mad Max. And to Terminator. And to Captain Marvel. Etc, etc. And it was pretty disgusting, every single time they used that as their complaint.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 26, 2020, 01:06:51 PM
I haven't seen the 2016 Ghostbusters, but nothing about the trailers seemed "toxic" or "agressive" to me. I just didn't think it looked particularly good (I'm not really a Paul Feig fan), so I opted to skip it.
You know what did seem toxic and aggressive? The "fans" that bitched over and over and over again about the fact that the movie starred women and just couldn't let that go, to the point where they are still holding onto it like it was some personal offense against them. And then they did it again to Star Wars. And to Mad Max. And to Terminator. And to Captain Marvel. Etc, etc. And it was pretty disgusting, every single time they used that as their complaint.
You're doing the wrong thing. You haven't seen the film, but the opinions of the people who watched it and concluded that people are wrong. Things don't work that way. GB2016 is disgusting film. It received well-deserved criticism and I'm glad that this junk will be erased thanks to Afterlife.
You can't compare this trash to Fury Road, SW ST and Dark Fates. I agree - these films have received undeserved criticism. However - they were not toxic. IDK about Captain Marvel - I have not watched it,
so I think it's right not to talk about this film.
Quote from: Drukathi on Oct 26, 2020, 01:39:32 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 26, 2020, 01:06:51 PM
I haven't seen the 2016 Ghostbusters, but nothing about the trailers seemed "toxic" or "agressive" to me. I just didn't think it looked particularly good (I'm not really a Paul Feig fan), so I opted to skip it.
You know what did seem toxic and aggressive? The "fans" that bitched over and over and over again about the fact that the movie starred women and just couldn't let that go, to the point where they are still holding onto it like it was some personal offense against them. And then they did it again to Star Wars. And to Mad Max. And to Terminator. And to Captain Marvel. Etc, etc. And it was pretty disgusting, every single time they used that as their complaint.
You're doing the wrong thing. You haven't seen the film, but the opinions of the people who watched it and concluded that people are wrong. Things don't work that way. GB2016 is disgusting film. It received well-deserved criticism and I'm glad that this junk will be erased thanks to Afterlife.
You can't compare this trash to Fury Road, SW ST and Dark Fates. I agree - these films have received undeserved criticism. However - they were not toxic. IDK about Captain Marvel - I have not watched it, so I think it's right not to talk about this film.
Ghostbusters 2016 isn't getting "erased." It was never part of the original continuity to begin with.
What about the movie was toxic? Whenever I see people throwing that word around with that movie, the only thing I ever see them complaining about is the female leads. I'm not saying that you're doing the same, but that's the only lasting take that I ever see from people that are still so upset about it that they are still clinging to and citing it all these years later.
I couldn't find a better time to post this:
https://youtu.be/UWROBiX1eSc (https://youtu.be/UWROBiX1eSc)
Holy shit I caused a riot in the comments some of y'all mistook my comments I should have said morden day marvel is very political and there not very subtle about it if there were subtle about it I wouldn't mind as much that one thing old marvel knew to do well be subtle about it that and to right good stories Morden day marvel can't seem to write a good story.And I aint gonna to lie when I seen the trailer for new warriors I lost hope for marvel hopefully they will change my mind .
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 26, 2020, 02:28:59 PM
that one thing old marvel knew to do well be subtle about it
(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/3/a0/5991fa03329b7/clean.jpg)
Maybe when people think about "good, old Marvel" Captain America fighting Hitler isn't the first thing that comes to their minds ?
Also, who is that Bucky guy is ? Marvel's version of Robin ?
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 26, 2020, 02:58:31 PM
Maybe when people think about "good, old Marvel" Captain America fighting Hitler isn't the first thing that comes to their minds ?
That doesn't mean it didn't exist. Just like how the politics that were there in the movies these people watched as kids always existed, even if they didn't pick up on it.
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 26, 2020, 02:58:31 PM
Also, who is that Bucky guy is ? Marvel's version of Robin ?
Bucky, in his original inception, was a child soldier (gee, nothing political about that!) who is an ace sniper working alongside Cap during WWII. He eventually gets killed, and stays that way for decades, until the 2000s when Brubaker brought him back as The Winter Soldier to tell another incredibly political story.
Old Marvel wasn't subtle
(https://i.ibb.co/NFYy3KN/61-Bs-Ri-Am-DFL-SX338-BO1-204-203-200.jpg)
Old DC either
(https://i.ibb.co/S5yCbwh/Captain-nazi.jpg)
And we can't forget old Disney :laugh:
(https://i.ibb.co/MDK88m7/Education-for-Death.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/LxB2YRF/Der-Fuehrer-s-Face-poster.jpg)
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 26, 2020, 02:58:31 PM
Maybe when people think about "good, old Marvel" Captain America fighting Hitler isn't the first thing that comes to their minds ?
Also, who is that Bucky guy is ? Marvel's version of Robin ?
How far back are we going for 'Good old Marvel'? Civil War came out in 2007, and had obvious political themes. Literally every X-men story has obvious political themes.
People just want to argue that stuff is now 'too political' because it doesnt align with their views, and that make the uncomfortable
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 26, 2020, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 26, 2020, 02:28:59 PM
that one thing old marvel knew to do well be subtle about it
(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/3/a0/5991fa03329b7/clean.jpg)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2020, 03:12:41 PM
Old Marvel wasn't subtle
https://i.ibb.co/NFYy3KN/61-Bs-Ri-Am-DFL-SX338-BO1-204-203-200.jpg
Old DC either
https://i.ibb.co/S5yCbwh/Captain-nazi.jpg
And we can't forget old Disney :laugh:
(https://i.ibb.co/MDK88m7/Education-for-Death.jpg)
https://i.ibb.co/LxB2YRF/Der-Fuehrer-s-Face-poster.jpg
Is it me or most of these examples were spawned during WWII ? What about 50s, 60s, 70s and so on ?
Sir Tristan Jones said it best when commenting on all the folks whining about Marvel making "woke" stories:
"Alien was never f**king asleep"
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 26, 2020, 03:23:24 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 26, 2020, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 26, 2020, 02:28:59 PM
that one thing old marvel knew to do well be subtle about it
(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/3/a0/5991fa03329b7/clean.jpg)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2020, 03:12:41 PM
Old Marvel wasn't subtle
https://i.ibb.co/NFYy3KN/61-Bs-Ri-Am-DFL-SX338-BO1-204-203-200.jpg
Old DC either
https://i.ibb.co/S5yCbwh/Captain-nazi.jpg
And we can't forget old Disney :laugh:
(https://i.ibb.co/MDK88m7/Education-for-Death.jpg)
https://i.ibb.co/LxB2YRF/Der-Fuehrer-s-Face-poster.jpg
Is it me or most of these examples were spawned during WWII ? What about 50s, 60s, 70s and so on ?
The Hate-Monger issue came out in 1963
Let me give you a example of old marvel being subtle the xmen was a allegory for race
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Oct 26, 2020, 03:23:58 PM
Sir Tristan Jones said it best when commenting on all the folks whining about Marvel making "woke" stories:
"Alien was never f**king asleep"
Hear, hear.
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/alienanthology/images/5/5d/Mother_computer-alien.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20120128173354)
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 26, 2020, 03:23:24 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 26, 2020, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 26, 2020, 02:28:59 PM
that one thing old marvel knew to do well be subtle about it
(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/3/a0/5991fa03329b7/clean.jpg)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2020, 03:12:41 PM
Old Marvel wasn't subtle
https://i.ibb.co/NFYy3KN/61-Bs-Ri-Am-DFL-SX338-BO1-204-203-200.jpg
Old DC either
https://i.ibb.co/S5yCbwh/Captain-nazi.jpg
And we can't forget old Disney :laugh:
(https://i.ibb.co/MDK88m7/Education-for-Death.jpg)
https://i.ibb.co/LxB2YRF/Der-Fuehrer-s-Face-poster.jpg
Is it me or most of these examples were spawned during WWII ? What about 50s, 60s, 70s and so on ?
50s, 60s & 70s mirrored the civil rights movement. Professor X was akin to Martin Luther King Jr. wanting peaceful protests and movements to improve African-Americans standings during that era; whereas Magneto was more in line with Malcom X who was willing to use any means necessary to protect the rights and freedoms of African-Americans. Marvel has always been very political and I think that's one reason why they've been around as long as they have.
:D
People really don't pay attention to what they read or watch do they?
As if politics hasn't been a part of entertainment since forever. :laugh:
Marvel didn't used to be political? :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 26, 2020, 02:58:31 PM
Maybe when people think about "good, old Marvel" Captain America fighting Hitler isn't the first thing that comes to their minds ?
Also, who is that Bucky guy is ? Marvel's version of Robin ?
You would know him as boy who became Comrade Winter Soldier.
I got to ask a question when did the alien franchise had a political message like some people in the comments are saying the only alien moive that I guess could have a political message was aliens which was an allegory for the Vietnam war but thats about it
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 26, 2020, 06:04:51 PM
I got to ask a question when did the alien franchise had a political message like some people in the comments are saying the only alien moive that I guess could have a political message was aliens which was an allegory for the Vietnam war but thats about it
This has been established over and over again on the last few pages. To reiterate:
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 24, 2020, 05:09:03 PM
Alien is all about the employees of big corporate entity being stripped of their rights and sent down to survey a signal under forfeiture of shares for work that they had already completed, with their lives quite literally put on the line in order to preserve a specimen for the company. If that isn't saying anything about workers rights in a corporate workspace, I don't really know what is.
Quote from: Dachande on Oct 26, 2020, 03:25:41 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 26, 2020, 03:23:24 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 26, 2020, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 26, 2020, 02:28:59 PM
that one thing old marvel knew to do well be subtle about it
(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/3/a0/5991fa03329b7/clean.jpg)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2020, 03:12:41 PM
Old Marvel wasn't subtle
https://i.ibb.co/NFYy3KN/61-Bs-Ri-Am-DFL-SX338-BO1-204-203-200.jpg
Old DC either
https://i.ibb.co/S5yCbwh/Captain-nazi.jpg
And we can't forget old Disney :laugh:
(https://i.ibb.co/MDK88m7/Education-for-Death.jpg)
https://i.ibb.co/LxB2YRF/Der-Fuehrer-s-Face-poster.jpg
Is it me or most of these examples were spawned during WWII ? What about 50s, 60s, 70s and so on ?
The Hate-Monger issue came out in 1963
Aye, and check it out this one from 1974.
Quote from: The VergeIn 1974, America was gripped by the Watergate scandal, as President Richard Nixon was accused of criminal acts involving breaking-and-entering and a subsequent cover-up. At the same time, legendary comic creator Steve Englehart was working on Captain America and The Falcon with Sal Buscema. The two decided that such a monumental moment in American history could not go unremarked upon by Captain America: that the overwhelming feelings of distrust and uncertainty had to be incorporated into their superhero stories.
https://twitter.com/verge/status/863600516105994240But as many have already said; a great part of entertainment has always been, is and will always be political, to a greater or lesser degree. Maybe some of us weren't paying attention, we were immature, we experienced cognitive dissonance or simply there was a lack of knowledge. But things are there, regardless.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 26, 2020, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 26, 2020, 02:28:59 PM
that one thing old marvel knew to do well be subtle about it
(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/3/a0/5991fa03329b7/clean.jpg)
First, I always loved that cover! 👏
And these leads to my point. The subtlety of punching Hitler in the face is equivelant to one of your characters saying "All corporations are inherently evil!" Hence neither is subtle. But the more general or vague you get, the more you move away from that, the more subtle it naturally becomes, on a scale that also slides individually based on not just the script and how it targets on something fictional as evil or wrong, but the perspective of the viewer, their life experiences and how deep their intake is when normally viewing film.
People being oblivious to the political aspect of the message doesn't mean there's no political message, which is the entire point of the conversation. Politics in the Alien movies is nothing new. It was always there and people whining about Disney/Marvel potentially adding political messaging and going "woke" is asinine.
Wait until these people realise that nasty feminism has already infected their beloved franchise :o
I remember Riddles also talking about class in Alien with the upstairs/ downstairs of Dallas, Kane, Ripley, Ash and Lambert vs Parker and Brett. Not having grown up with class really being a thing I would've missed it had he not talked about it on the commentary.
Ugh, woke Ridley jumping on the class struggle bandwagon ::)
See also: "If you're not cop, you're little people."
If Morden day feminism wanted to actually help woman they should help women in the middle East where in some countries they can't even drive cars .Feminism back in the day actually help women get the same rights as men.While on the other side Morden day feminism are just people on the internet complaying about everything and marvel is full of Morden day feminsist who cant tell a good story but want you to know their polticis so I don't have hope for the new alien comics under marvel especially seeing the new warriors trailer but who knows they might change my mind.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 26, 2020, 11:27:30 PM
See also: "If you're not cop, you're little people."
Right along with the Blade Runners, you know, gunning Replicants down, no questions asked.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 26, 2020, 10:53:56 PM
Ugh, woke Ridley jumping on the class struggle bandwagon ::)
Filthy commie.
Can a bresaker unit count as the alien universe version if liberty prime since we got the space commies know as UPP in the alien universe
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 27, 2020, 12:48:07 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 26, 2020, 11:27:30 PM
See also: "If you're not cop, you're little people."
Right along with the Blade Runners, you know, gunning Replicants down, no questions asked.
Yeah. Runaway slaves / illegal immigrants who just want to live longer than four years and act out of desperation to achieve that goal.
https://www.insider.com/history-of-police-in-the-us-photos-2020-6
QuoteIn the South in the 1700s, patrol groups were created to stop runaway slaves. In the north, a formal police force was created to control immigrants who were moving into cities in the 1800s.
James Cameron played into that too in
Terminator 2: Judgement Day, regarding his decision to make the T-1000 default to a cop as its "main" appearance:
Quote"The Terminator films are not really about the human race getting killed off by future machines. They're about us losing touch with our own humanity and becoming machines, which allows us to kill and brutalize each other. Cops think of all noncops as less than they are — stupid, weak, and evil. They dehumanize the people they are sworn to protect and desensitize themselves in order to do that job."
Why do people see cops as a bad thing
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 27, 2020, 04:05:03 PM
Why do people see cops as a bad thing
Probably all the innocent people they keep murdering without consequence.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 26, 2020, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 26, 2020, 02:28:59 PM
that one thing old marvel knew to do well be subtle about it
(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/3/a0/5991fa03329b7/clean.jpg)
Jack Kirby was a bad motherf**ker. (https://www.pastemagazine.com/comics/jack-kirby/8-ways-comic-book-legend-jack-kirby-fought-fascism/)
Quote"...Jack took a call. A voice on the other end said, 'There are three of us down here in the lobby. We want to see the guy who does this disgusting comic book and show him what real Nazis would do to his Captain America'. To the horror of others in the office, Kirby rolled up his sleeves and headed downstairs. The callers, however, were gone by the time he arrived."
Quote from: Dachande on Oct 27, 2020, 04:14:16 PM
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Oct 27, 2020, 04:05:03 PM
Why do people see cops as a bad thing
Probably all the innocent people they keep murdering without consequence.
(https://i.imgur.com/W8MsT7n.jpg)
True but instead of looking at the bad ones look at all the cops that arnt killing people. We tend to focus on the negatives even if that's the minority. Think about all the black people that weren't shot that day instead of the one that was. Their are asshole cops but their are also good honest ones to.
Quote from: bobcunk on Nov 02, 2020, 07:15:58 AM
Think about all the black people that weren't shot that day instead of the one that was.
Yeah, you black people ! You should be thankful you
haven't been shot today !
Quote from: bobcunk on Nov 02, 2020, 07:15:58 AM
True but instead of looking at the bad ones look at all the cops that arnt killing people. We tend to focus on the negatives even if that's the minority. Think about all the black people that weren't shot that day instead of the one that was. Their are asshole cops but their are also good honest ones to.
What the actual
f**k is this post? :-X
The whole point of all of this is that the organization is fundamentally flawed. Sure, there may be some "good cops" but if the organization doesn't do anything to actually stop the bad ones, and the "good" ones don't do anything to stop the bad ones, then the whole organization is f**ked and needs total reform. Shootings like these keep happening, and will keep happening, and it is absolutely f**king disgusting.
You're asking people to think about the "Black people that weren't shot that day" like that is going to fix anything. What are you saying? That they should just go about their business and be thankful that this time it was their father or mother or brother or sister or husband or wife or friend that got shot, rather than themselves? Ignoring a problem doesn't make the problem go away. And those people that died... they are dead. Their lives were taken from them. That isn't something to just look at lightly and brush off.
So nah, I'm not just going to ignore deep-rooted issues that are literally costing people their lives.
Won't somebody think of cops that don't murder people??
This isn't the place for that real-world discussion. The point is Alien and Marvel have always been political and provide social commentary, regardless of whether or not you saw it without it being pointed out to you.
I agree with this man ^^^
The best thing to do here is to delete the last ~10 pages. Otherwise, this conversation will go in a circle.
It's done with now. Further attempts will be deleted.
What sort of new storylines would we like to see explored in Marvel's new Alien and Predator material?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 26, 2020, 03:05:26 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 26, 2020, 02:58:31 PM
Maybe when people think about "good, old Marvel" Captain America fighting Hitler isn't the first thing that comes to their minds ?
That doesn't mean it didn't exist. Just like how the politics that were there in the movies these people watched as kids always existed, even if they didn't pick up on it.
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 26, 2020, 02:58:31 PM
Also, who is that Bucky guy is ? Marvel's version of Robin ?
Bucky, in his original inception, was a child soldier (gee, nothing political about that!) who is an ace sniper working alongside Cap during WWII. He eventually gets killed, and stays that way for decades, until the 2000s when Brubaker brought him back as The Winter Soldier to tell another incredibly political story.
Nothing wrong with Marvel being anti-Hitler, or anti-Nazi. I think we can agree on that.
Just caught up to reading Hicks's post. Ok stepping off the political bandwagon.
Really looking forward to the first Marvel series one way of another.
So are there any new rumors regarding Marvel's new Alien and Predator series??
Also, I'm wondering why Marvel are promoting only Aliens via their variant covers, and not Predator?
Well, the Aliens Omnibus is due out sooner than the Predator one. Could just be a marketing thing, with Predator variants coming at a later date closer to that Omnibus release.
Quote from: EJA on Nov 22, 2020, 12:46:00 PM
So are there any new rumors regarding Marvel's new Alien and Predator series??
Also, I'm wondering why Marvel are promoting only Aliens via their variant covers, and not Predator?
Marvel does things with themes around a specific idea, Predator will probably get its own variant later on. It's also possible that with the Alien collection that the Alien variant covers will be presented in it and so you'd get those out first if the Alien collection will be coming out sooner.
What are the chances of characters from the films featuring prominently? Could we see stories starring Dutch, Harrigan, Ripley, Hicks or Newt?
I would expect it'd be a good bet. Disney are big on the nostalgia.
The vast majority of Marvel's Star Wars books are "character" based, rather than new isolated stories.
Alien/Predator have significantly fewer characters to mine from and tell stories with the titular creatures than Star Wars has characters, so I would expect less "character" based titles from these properties... but Marvel is almost certainly going to try to do as many of them as they can, however few they may be.
Spoiler
David 8 comic book please?
I'd say we have a very solid chance of getting an Amanda Ripley ongoing. Maybe with Zula, but that character has the stink of a certain creator on her so maybe not.
I'd say a David book would be fun, but I don't think we'll get Prometheus stuff for a while. Basically the standard Alien stuff will have to sell well and enough people will have to ask before they touch that or Covenant.
I personally want a Predator ongoing with Ahab.
Y'know in thinking about revisiting characters from other films I realized that the only returning Predator is Scar given that his corpse is in the opening of Requiem. Weird.
Y'know speaking of a Predator ongoing I'd be interested in one that was about the Predator itself. That's something we don't see explored that often. I feel like Dutch would be better served exploring his hunts in minis where we see different Predators he's faced. Some one shots would also be kind of fun with them exploring an earlier hunt the film Predators had done otherwise.
Jungle Hunter was pretty well known in the region if Anna knew of him and so it'd be neat to see how Anna learned of him or the story she was told about him.
City Hunter was presumably active for awhile and it'd be an opprtunity to showcase more of the Lost Tribe.
Berserker could get some love showcasing the Super Predators since we don't see them that often. These days I think it only amounted to a cameo and the Kenner style toy.
Fugitive would obviously be about how he started running from the Assassin
Scar's group could be about the trials they faced prior to the Aliens. Chopper's skull mounts seem to indicate he had been to Earth before so I'd be interested to see what they'd done prior.
Wolf's eye is certainly a story. Perhaps on his own trial he accidentally blinded himself?
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Nov 23, 2020, 10:44:48 PM
Y'know in thinking about revisiting characters from other films I realized that the only returning Predator is Scar given that his corpse is in the opening of Requiem. Weird.
I honestly never thought of that :D
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Nov 23, 2020, 10:44:48 PM
Jungle Hunter was pretty well known in the region if Anna knew of him and so it'd be neat to see how Anna learned of him or the story she was told about him.
That would be good.
It could have been a different predator standing the area.
But it's a nice idea, that he kept going back to his favourite hunting grounds.
Perhaps an additional prequel involving Jim Hopper?