Reading a few reviews on the Alien AI, I've found a lot of mention of the difficulty the Alien opposes to the player. Almost seemingly as if Creative Assembly may have made a Frankenstein monster here. The intelligence of the AI may even surpass that of the player. Do you believe that this might heighten or hinder the enjoyment you may experience throughout Alien Isolation?
Sources:
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3304238/possible-alien-alien-isolation-smart/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3304238/possible-alien-alien-isolation-smart/)
http://www.totalxbox.com/79551/previews/why-im-looking-forward-to-not-playing-alien-isolation/ (http://www.totalxbox.com/79551/previews/why-im-looking-forward-to-not-playing-alien-isolation/)
I believe they may have gone too far.
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Too smart? Glad to hear that. :)
That'll be a switch... an Alien game with a smart xeno. It's pretty unfortunate that it's been almost 20 years since the Aliens TC and aside from some novel ideas like climbing on walls, the AI in every Aliens game I've ever played has been pretty much the same as the AI in the Aliens TC... which is to say pretty dumb.
So yea... too smart? Count me in the bring it on category. :)
In another article I've read they apparently said that "the A:I AI was modeled after famous chess players Adolf Anderssen and Lionel Kieseritzky and that the A:I Alien was even able to pass the Turing test during an "imitation" game.
Professor Joseph Weizenbaum was quoted as saying: "Considering that only about 80% of all humans are capable of passing said test it is certainly a remarkable achievement."
The article further stated that Creative Assembly made use of Kolmogorov complexity algorithms and principles to avoid possible predictive patterns in the AI behavior. It also makes use of PARRY programming code which was originally written in 1972 by psychiatrist Kenneth Colby. PARRY is claimed by some to be one of the programs (perhaps the first) able to pass the Turing Test.
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I hope the Alien is smarter than the player, that would be incredible!
I'm sure its just people who don't know how to play using stealth and don't get very long to judge the game.
Dan O' Bannon's idea was originally for the Alien to overcome it's blood-lust and pursue a life of scholarly interests. If Corporal Hicks' thesis is proven correct and the A:I Alien is indeed Kane's son (now 15 years older) then players may well have to contend with intelligence vastly superior to their own, possibly even having to engage it in philosophical debates and games of wit.
QuoteDan's Alien culture: In O'Bannon's original conception of the Alien, newborn Aliens are overcome with blood-lust, but this eventually subsides and the creature becomes rational and civilised, heralding its maturation and growth into a third-stage adult. Of the Alien in his script and its savagery, O'Bannon explained that "It's never been subject to its own culture, it's never been subject to anything except a few hours in the hold of the ship. Quite literally, it doesn't have an education. The Alien is not only savage, it is also ignorant." Once its blood-lust has subsided, "the Alien becomes a mild, intelligent creature, capable of art and architecture, which lives a full, scholarly life of 200 years."
Can I see some confirmation on these facts before I go play the game and expect the impossible?
Quote from: Gate on Jul 26, 2014, 07:04:28 PM
Can I see some confirmation on these facts before I go play the game and expect the impossible?
Exactly. People thought that the AI were going to be incredibly smart in A:CM...turned out not to be that way. People need to get through the hype of this game and be ready for anything. You guys are making this game sound like some philosophical masterpiece with impossible AI to overcome. Calm down and wait for the game to come out.
If Professor Weizenbaum said the AI was "a remarkable achievement" then I'm sure it will be. I don't require any further proof.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 26, 2014, 08:10:20 PM
If Professor Weizenbaum said the AI was "a remarkable achievement" then I'm sure it will be. I don't require any further proof.
Possibly but I still want to play myself to judge. I don't go off other people's opinions.
Are you kidding? The harder the better! I hope the Alien drives casual players to pull their hair out in anger.
My Expectation:
The Alien in Isolation becomes so smart, it creates an account on this board and starts arguing what is cannon with the other members.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 26, 2014, 08:10:20 PM
If Professor Weizenbaum said the AI was "a remarkable achievement" then I'm sure it will be. I don't require any further proof.
Give me a source.
I don't think he's implying that the Alien is going to paint masterpieces while playing the violin but rather the Alien will be a problem solver. Something that is unheard of in artificial intelligence
Quote from: Chronicle on Jul 26, 2014, 07:57:18 PMYou guys are making this game sound like some philosophical masterpiece with impossible AI to overcome.
He was joking...
Sorry Chronic, but philosophical might not be the word you're looking for as far as the point of all this is.
If the Alien has a premise of solving problems and analysing situations with PARRY programming then this might just be an underated game once it comes out...
...Now I'm excited
I'd like to see a link to that article too, please.
is the AI smart or have gamers gotten dumb?
How many games can you recall where the AI is too smart? Cheap, sure, but just smart? There is a difference. Personally I'd be plenty happy with a smart adversary that I'd have to outwit. Playing chess against a simpleton is no fun.
Quote from: swarm87 on Jul 27, 2014, 02:48:13 PM
is the AI smart or have gamers gotten dumb?
There are people who want a map for CoD so that answers your question :laugh:
Quote from: DUB1 on Jul 26, 2014, 10:44:40 PM
Are you kidding? The harder the better! I hope the Alien drives casual players to pull their hair out in anger.
This.
The setting, atmosphere and expectations can do a lot to create a false illusion of intelligence. I can remember some multiplayer sessions from the AVP games, where all I was doing was waiting in ambush or doing a very basic misdirect to herd my target into killable range and often got praised for out-foxing them or whatever. :)
Could tell most of it was down to their own perspective... They weren't used to someone doing stuff like walking up the walls and I could see them jerking their view around all over the place in the tunnels, which meant they were on edge, looking for me. It was the set design and lighting which was doing most of the scare work. I did very little!
That'll go triple for something like this, where the entire thing is geared explicitly towards making you hyper-aware of what could be the source of a shadow, due to no weapons.
Quote from: WinterActual on Jul 28, 2014, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: DUB1 on Jul 26, 2014, 10:44:40 PM
Are you kidding? The harder the better! I hope the Alien drives casual players to pull their hair out in anger.
This.
Confused: weren't you the guy that just wants to mow down more waves of aliens with a machine gun?
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 28, 2014, 10:26:11 PM
Confused: weren't you the guy that just wants to mow down more waves of aliens with a machine gun?
Sorry for answering for somebody else, but both is equally good. Just not in the same game.
As far as AI goes, I am not at all worried about them making a very smart AI. I'm worried about them making a cheating AI. Like seeing through walls, being alarmed by any sound you make even when you are far away while hearing nobody else and such. This can make the game "unbeatable" without much actual AI.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jul 28, 2014, 10:15:55 AMHow many games can you recall where the AI is too smart? Cheap, sure, but just smart? There is a difference. Personally I'd be plenty happy with a smart adversary that I'd have to outwit. Playing chess against a simpleton is no fun.
Agreed. Many games are difficult these days by simply being cheap. Grenade spamming and the like. There aren't many games that are difficult by virtue of having intelligent opponents.
One of these methods for toughening up a game is a joke, the other makes for a rewarding challenge.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 28, 2014, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on Jul 28, 2014, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: DUB1 on Jul 26, 2014, 10:44:40 PM
Are you kidding? The harder the better! I hope the Alien drives casual players to pull their hair out in anger.
This.
Confused: weren't you the guy that just wants to mow down more waves of aliens with a machine gun?
Sooooo whats the problem the game to be hard and to have many enemies at the same time? :laugh: FEAR have one of the best AI and it throws many enemies at you. It seems like you are from the new gen gamers who think that mowing down stuff means easy as shit CoD games. This was not the case a few years ago. AvP 1 is still very challenging game with its randomized spawns and fast aliens.
Btw I don't remember saying that I want to mow down waves of aliens. Recently I asked why I am not able to kill the alien in Isolation if I have the right tools, and that was it. Totally not the same thing. I won't mind Killing Floor style Aliens related game but I prefer the xenos to be challenging for what they are like in AvP 1 not because of their numbers like in ACM (they are not challenging there).
I would have thought this was obvious, but isn't it because there is only one Alien? If you kill it, what are you going to do for the next 6 hours? The game is meant to replicate the first movie, which means one single Alien stalking the inhabitants at will. You might get to 'kill' it at the end of the game, though.
Quote from: WinterActual on Jul 29, 2014, 11:50:20 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 28, 2014, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on Jul 28, 2014, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: DUB1 on Jul 26, 2014, 10:44:40 PM
Are you kidding? The harder the better! I hope the Alien drives casual players to pull their hair out in anger.
This.
Confused: weren't you the guy that just wants to mow down more waves of aliens with a machine gun?
Sooooo whats the problem the game to be hard and to have many enemies at the same time? :laugh: FEAR have one of the best AI and it throws many enemies at you. It seems like you are from the new gen gamers who think that mowing down stuff means easy as shit CoD games. This was not the case a few years ago. AvP 1 is still very challenging game with its randomized spawns and fast aliens.
Btw I don't remember saying that I want to mow down waves of aliens. Recently I asked why I am not able to kill the alien in Isolation if I have the right tools, and that was it. Totally not the same thing. I won't mind Killing Floor style Aliens related game but I prefer the xenos to be challenging for what they are like in AvP 1 not because of their numbers like in ACM (they are not challenging there).
That's because they are
challenged there. Mentally.
Quote from: gabgrave on Jul 29, 2014, 01:47:31 PM
I would have thought this was obvious, but isn't it because there is only one Alien? If you kill it, what are you going to do for the next 6 hours? The game is meant to replicate the first movie, which means one single Alien stalking the inhabitants at will. You might get to 'kill' it at the end of the game, though.
I will try to get out alive of course. Its literally a sinking ship. You have to escape somehow. With alien on board or not, this vessel is going down for sure.