Alien movements following Parker and Lamberts deaths

Started by Huggs, Apr 16, 2021, 11:03:48 PM

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SiL

If it went after the noise it would have run straight into her. Ripley got to the room seconds after Lambert died.

Huggs

Huggs

#16
Yeah. At the end of the scream she's about 9 or 10 steps away, and already looking down the hall.


SM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 18, 2021, 09:21:39 PM
Isn't Ripley yelling out for Parker and Lambert as she runs to them? It's possible that triggered the Alien's hunting instinct and it went off in the last direction it heard her, unaware she was about to enter there.

No.  The last time Ripley pages them is when she's still on the bridge.

The Necronoir

Quote from: SM on Apr 18, 2021, 08:29:04 PM
The nest is on C-deck.

The script says it's below C-deck, while also saying the other landing leg room where Brett is taken is on C-deck.

That was my thinking too. The leg that Brett is definitely C Deck.

To be fair though, that doesn't necessarily mean that the hive would have to be on the same level. If Brett was taken in the forward leg room, the two aft ones might be housed lower down. Do the engine pods sit lower than the main fuselage on the Nostromo?

SM

Nah they're all about level.

It's just a continuity thing - like Ripley climbing down to A deck before Lambert slaps her.

razeak

Maybe its just a sick sadistic f**k and thought it would be f**ked up to just come back later. Maybe it had some sort of xeno ejaculation/orgasm from all the murder and needed some time to recover before the next round of sadism.


Like if it was aroused and drawing out the murder of Parker and Lambert to savor it.  I prefer that I think. Maybe humans' adrenalin in their system gets it going

Elmazalman

It was just doing what it was designed to do - survive & breed.

It's behaviour was more curious (Brett's original death, Lambert) than sadistic.


razeak

I think the sadism fits since it took its time killing both.  Its a bit more interesting too.

The Necronoir

The Necronoir

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Quote from: razeak on Apr 20, 2021, 12:12:40 PM
I think the sadism fits since it took its time killing both.  Its a bit more interesting too.

True sadism requires a psychological association with the target though. The enjoyment in inflicting pain derives from identifying with the other individual to the point that you can put yourself in their shoes and imagine the pain they are feeling. I think it makes the alien less alien if we stray too far down that path. We might view a cat toying with a mouse as sadistic, but that's the result of personifying the animal. I doubt it has that significance for the cat itself. It certainly makes no sense from a survival point of view.

Immortan Jonesy

Maybe Kane was a psychopath and the Alien inherited that through genetics.

The Necronoir

The Necronoir

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 20, 2021, 02:37:32 PM
Maybe Kane was a psychopath and the Alien inherited that through genetics.

Oof. That's opening a big old can of worms I really don't want to get into. Suffice to say that I wouldn't be going up to anyone whose parent happened to be diagnosed with something like that and insinuating that they must have picked it up through their genes too.

It's interesting to note that the double Y chromosome facility in Alien 3 suggests that genetic profiling of that sort very much is a thing in-universe though.

I feel like we're getting off-topic here though.

BlueMarsalis79

I think it is implied though, partially through Ash's dialogue "Kane's Son." and through, H.R Giger's art and design, and through Alien Covenant if you take that into account.

That a twisted reflected semblance of humanity exists within it, and so recognition of what it is doing, if not also pleasure.

But I argue that it does seek it, considering the behaviour of the Facehugger when you take the Prequels into account, revealing it is not required to stay on the host for as long as we thought to achieve it's goal it simply does for reasons unknown.

The Necronoir

The Necronoir

#27
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 20, 2021, 02:42:20 PM
I think it is implied though, partially through Ash's dialogue "Kane's Son." and through, H.R Giger's art and design, and through Alien Covenant if you take that into account.

Sure, but remember that the conversation is explicitly talking about the fact that the alien grew to such a size so quickly. There's nothing to really suggest that what Ash says reflects anything beyond physical traits. Generally speaking, I don't see much (if anything) in the films to suggest that they inherit any psychological traits from their hosts. Even the runner's peculiar modes of locomotion are likely to be a straightforward product of its differently proportioned limbs, rather than "learning" anything from the ox/dog.

(Yes, there are the predalien behaviours in AVP-R, but the less we say about that the better.)

Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 20, 2021, 02:42:20 PM
But I argue that it does seek it, considering the behaviour of the Facehugger when you take the Prequels into account, revealing it is not required to stay on the host for as long as we thought to achieve it's goal it simply does for reasons unknown.

Good point, but look at it this way. Currently Alien is the odd one out when it comes to the duration of time the 'hugger spent on Kane. That scenario is also unique insofar as the host was also exposed to a deadly environment when it latched on to him. As such, I think you can argue that it was likely investing most of its energy for most of that time into keeping the host alive long enough to fulfil its purpose.

BlueMarsalis79

That's all completely true.

But I do still think something human exists in them anyway.

Makes me wonder though if on a partially related note, the Facehugger that got Ripley Eight in Resurrection, achieved it's purpose but it had no effect because of Eight's biology.

The Necronoir

Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 20, 2021, 03:06:35 PM
That's all completely true.

But I do still think something human exists in them anyway.

Makes me wonder though if on a partially related note, the Facehugger that got Ripley Eight in Resurrection, achieved it's purpose but it had no effect because of Eight's biology.

That's an interesting new wrinkle that I hadn't thought of. If we start going down the "facehugger injects a form of black goo" path, rather than the embryo idea, I guess it would stand to reason that Ripley 8 would have a kind of immunity. Makes you wonder if they same would apply if a regular human had a developing chestburster surgically removed, then got 'hugged a second time...

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