Over on Scified they posted a scan from the newest Total Film, and there's a reference to Prometheus 2, saying it starts filming in January. It isn't a quote from Scott, though, so grain of salt and all that.
http://www.scified.com/site/prometheusmovies/prometheus-2-begins-filming-in-january (http://www.scified.com/site/prometheusmovies/prometheus-2-begins-filming-in-january)
Rik Barnett? Really? Is he supposed to be Vicker's younger brother?
I really want this to be true, because I want both films productions to basically supersede the previous'... But I think it may be debunked.
I want to see the engineer society answer the question about the decision to reset Earth & dispense the black goo. I want an explanation of the deacon's life span & function.I want to see the android's value after Shaw repairs him. I'd like to know of humans thriving 2k years after being marked for reset, how that fact impacts the engineers positions, politics & social order.
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 03, 2015, 03:56:15 AM
Rik Barnett? Really? Is he supposed to be Vicker's younger brother?
Just rumour at the minute: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2013/05/23/rik-barnett-for-prometheus-sequel/ I don't think I've read it anywhere that doesn't link back to Prometheus Movie News.
I'm really happy to see some Prometheus 2 news that isn't all the recycled bullcrap from Master Herald and their ilk. You can generally trust Total Film but without a quote or official confirmation it's still something to be taken with a grain of salt. The Martian will be winding down with release at the end of September so depends on how much has already been done for Prometheus 2.
Well this at least confirms that Ridley is poised to still direct this himself. Whether it's January or not we shall see. Very glad he's taken to Prom2 over Blade Runner 2.
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Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 03, 2015, 03:56:15 AM
Rik Barnett? Really? Is he supposed to be Vicker's younger brother?
Just rumour at the minute: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2013/05/23/rik-barnett-for-prometheus-sequel/ I don't think I've read it anywhere that doesn't link back to Prometheus Movie News.
I'm really happy to see some Prometheus 2 news that isn't all the recycled bullcrap from Master Herald and their ilk. You can generally trust Total Film but without a quote or official confirmation it's still something to be taken with a grain of salt. The Martian will be winding down with release at the end of September so depends on how much has already been done for Prometheus 2.
Im getting ready for work on the East Coast here, so I dont have time to dig up the link, but Scofied also posted an article where an inside source, revealed minimal plot details, but specified that this insight occurred when Jack Paglen was replaced by Michael Green (?) for the rewrite.
The idea was that someone from WY has disregarded Shaw's warning, not to return to LV223 and instead sent a team full of androids and some military tech there to investigate in hopes of finding the original Prometheus crew had made contact. They also suggested that - in an interesting twist - the androids may be programmed as military themselves.
You should be able to find the link through the one this thread references... My apologies if this was already discussed.
just hope Ridley WILL direct this. If he does then then i dont mind waiting a bit.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2015, 07:19:35 AM
You can generally trust Total Film but without a quote or official confirmation it's still something to be taken with a grain of salt. The Martian will be winding down with release at the end of September so depends on how much has already been done for Prometheus 2.
Looks reasonably solid. That January quote is new, it's not some recycled nonsense like that "March 2016" release date that's been doing the rounds on the interwebz for a while now.
Quotejust hope Ridley WILL direct this. If he does then then i dont mind waiting a bit.
Scott said Prometheus was "the most fun he's had on a movie for many years". Would make sense if he returns for a second helping although this would be his first sequel
ever.
Quote from: Gerald Stiltz on Aug 03, 2015, 06:37:19 AM
I want to see the engineer society answer the question about the decision to reset Earth & dispense the black goo. I want an explanation of the deacon's life span & function.I want to see the android's value after Shaw repairs him. I'd like to know of humans thriving 2k years after being marked for reset, how that fact impacts the engineers positions, politics & social order.
Well, I don't think they can use QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED again :).
How about This Time Questions Will Definitely Be Answered?
THE SEARCH FOR MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS...
Quote from: markweatherill on Aug 03, 2015, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: Gerald Stiltz on Aug 03, 2015, 06:37:19 AM
I want to see the engineer society answer the question about the decision to reset Earth & dispense the black goo. I want an explanation of the deacon's life span & function.I want to see the android's value after Shaw repairs him. I'd like to know of humans thriving 2k years after being marked for reset, how that fact impacts the engineers positions, politics & social order.
Well, I don't think they can use QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED again :).
Classic Lindelof associated BULLSHIT!
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 03, 2015, 02:45:45 PM
THE SEARCH FOR MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS...
Here's how id voiceover the trailer:
They went looking for answers
What they found was a mystery beyond interpretation
And a nightmare
Summed up with the vague warning
"There is only death here"
Now a new team will return
Looking for more answers
To questions they dont know how to ask
What they'll find will boggle the mind with more vague threats to humanity
Because humanities last hope isnt human after all
Journey to stand on the threshold of all human understanding and discover the greatest mysteries
Ever encountered
And dare to answer the greatest questions ever asked
Face to face with the face of our own existence
Or some other vaguely mystical shit like that
Answers will be questioned. ;D
Caineson
LMFAO !!!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FNQHKSVE.gif%3Fnoredirect&hash=a19e89f643b72cdd7c25f32cda0556433cdd0f23)
Just can't see it happening but will welcome it if they actually do start shooting in January.
So what happen to Alien 5? What's the point on doing Promethues 2 if they are going to do Alien 5 soon. More people want to see A5 then a sequel to a movie that most people didn't care for.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 04, 2015, 12:55:17 AM
So what happen to Alien 5? What's the point on doing Promethues 2 if they are going to do Alien 5 soon. More people want to see A5 then a sequel to a movie that most people didn't care for.
Assuming the January thing is true, they're probably doing the two movies close together. Scott is a producer on Alien 5, I imagine he could do that while directing the Prometheus sequel. Either way, I won't hold my breath until we get more official confirmation.
What the devil could be accomplished by filming two aliens movies at the same time other than having both of them coincide in the same universe or them being part i and part ii ?
;D
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2015, 02:30:23 PM
This Time Questions Will Definitely Be Answered
Haha, oh lord, the first slogan truly captured the pretentiousness of the first film. This new one though tries to redeem what it failed to deliver after what it so effortlessly tried to build up. If I were to personify these films I would say that they're that overzealous college student who failed their philosophy midterm only to come back twice as motivated for the final.
The question here is will the student pass?..
Hopefully without Lindelof's involvement the story might actually have some coherency.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 04, 2015, 09:42:41 AM
Hopefully without Lindelof's involvement the story might actually have some coherency.
Hopefully without Lindelof's involvement there might actually be a story and not just a premise/prologue.
Looking forward to it, especially since Lindelof is out of the picture. I'm hoping the story isn't a garbled mix of interesting ideas and is instead something with focus to it, "coherency" as Hicks said.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 04, 2015, 12:55:17 AM
So what happen to Alien 5? What's the point on doing Promethues 2 if they are going to do Alien 5 soon. More people want to see A5 then a sequel to a movie that most people didn't care for.
It saves on production costs and hopefully makes for more cohesion. Also siggy weaves can set visit Prometheus 2 and throw in her input!
What the devil could be accomplished with that? What the devil?
::)
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 04, 2015, 12:55:17 AM
So what happen to Alien 5? What's the point on doing Promethues 2 if they are going to do Alien 5 soon. More people want to see A5 then a sequel to a movie that most people didn't care for.
Why not? They're based in the same universe, not the same plot.
I would think more people would see Alien 5 happen first. A lot of buzz on the web happened when news for Alien 5 finally show up. With Alien 5 coming, who wants to see Prometheus 2. We also have Predator 4 too.
It wont hurt them having them alongside each other. In fact, they'll probably hope of buzz bouncing from one to the other.
Depending on the stories of the two films, certain props could also be shared between the two productions if they film on the same sound stages.
For example, if they need a full sized pilot chamber for both films only one prop would need to be built, potentially saving millions of $'s.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 05, 2015, 01:20:35 PM
Depending on the stories of the two films, certain props could also be shared between the two productions if they film on the same sound stages.
For example, if they need a full sized pilot chamber for both films only one prop would need to be built, potentially saving millions of $'s.
Indeed. Hopefully the stories wont be too similar or it'll be like take 1 and take 2 but if they do share elements it'll greatly decrease the costs.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 04, 2015, 01:11:09 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 04, 2015, 12:55:17 AM
So what happen to Alien 5? What's the point on doing Promethues 2 if they are going to do Alien 5 soon. More people want to see A5 then a sequel to a movie that most people didn't care for.
Assuming the January thing is true, they're probably doing the two movies close together. Scott is a producer on Alien 5, I imagine he could do that while directing the Prometheus sequel. Either way, I won't hold my breath until we get more official confirmation.
I'm also thinking that with Scott producing both, sorta back to back, some of the Production Design people, at the very least, will be present for both films.
Some things however, that I def don't want to see Scott do, is use all of the same people who worked on Prometheus on Pt2. Especially, the composer. One of my favorite things about the Alien films is that each film has a different composer. In this case, I kinda think he may end up using Mark Streitenfeld again.
Be awesome if he could snag Terry Rawlings to edit. His work on Alien and Alien 3 is some of my favorite editing ever. Also I wasn't happy with the editing of Prometheus so I hope we wont see him again but we most likely will cause he is Scott's guy - he uses him on everything lately.
Is it wrong of me to say that.. I don't want a Prometheus sequel? I mean I liked the first one when I saw it in theatres but over time my opinion of it has changed, and while there is nothing stopping the sequel from being made because let's face it, it's gonna happen, I just don't feel excited for it. Having that said... Total Film, okay.. a credible source but until we get confirmation from Mr. Symbolism Scott himself, I won't be taking this as concrete.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 05, 2015, 07:08:44 AM
It wont hurt them having them alongside each other. In fact, they'll probably hope of buzz bouncing from one to the other.
Yes! Its called Tent-poling. Its when they use a popular TV show or film is placed alongside a new or less hyped show so the more popular of the two (or three) is used to generate more interest in another. It doesn't really work in this case unless PROMETHEUS 2 comes out before ALIEN 5 precisely BECAUSE there will be more hype for ALIEN 5... So since Scott is producing both, its a smart thing to do from FOX's perspective. Especially if they can get people talking about how the developments in each film relate to the franchise overall.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 05, 2015, 03:48:52 PM
Is it wrong of me to say that.. I don't want a Prometheus sequel? I mean I liked the first one when I saw it in theatres but over time my opinion of it has changed, and while there is nothing stopping the sequel from being made because let's face it, it's gonna happen, I just don't feel excited for it. Having that said... Total Film, okay.. a credible source but until we get confirmation from Mr. Symbolism Scott himself, I won't be taking this as concrete.
Im actually very excited for it if it really moves into new territory and opens more doors. Especially now that FOX is moving forward with ALIEN 5... I think with both films doing their own thing they are really opening doors wide for expansion of the franchise and if they BOTH do well, we will hear about new chapters for the franchise for years to come.
If they are smart they will weave some new characters into ALIEN 5 to continue with in whichever sequels eventually weave the plots of both films together.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 05, 2015, 03:48:52 PM
Is it wrong of me to say that.. I don't want a Prometheus sequel? I mean I liked the first one when I saw it in theatres but over time my opinion of it has changed, and while there is nothing stopping the sequel from being made because let's face it, it's gonna happen, I just don't feel excited for it. Having that said... Total Film, okay.. a credible source but until we get confirmation from Mr. Symbolism Scott himself, I won't be taking this as concrete.
I understand your point of view. Although, Prometheus felt like to me that it was made in such a way that indicated that a sequel was necessary.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 05, 2015, 05:58:54 PM
I understand your point of view. Although, Prometheus felt like to me that it was made in such a way that indicated that a sequel was necessary.
It would be fine if Prometheus 2 never happens. The big mistake with Prometheus was thinking it would be good. Instead, it was a tale of smart people doing dumb things.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 05, 2015, 07:06:19 AM
I would think more people would see Alien 5 happen first. A lot of buzz on the web happened when news for Alien 5 finally show up. With Alien 5 coming, who wants to see Prometheus 2. We also have Predator 4 too.
Its concerning how much of Alien 5 and Prometheus 2 would have an influence on one another, such as Alien 5 having some form of reference to Prometheus 2 maintaining continuity. Its a worry that will these films be good enough to stand on their own, or be compromised all for the sake of forcing continuity and universe building by combing their Alien Prometheus brands.
Heck with Shane Black's new Predator 4 on the way its not out of the question that in several years maybe many more Fox will reattempt Aliens VS. Predator film by applying more MARVEL style continuity through multiple Aliens, Prometheus, Predator and Aliens Vs Predator films. They tried this with the Fire and Stone comics with mixed results. "Though if Fox were to do again Ridley Scott and Sigourney Weaver" would most definitely abandoned the franchise once and for all."
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Aug 06, 2015, 04:05:07 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 05, 2015, 07:06:19 AM
I would think more people would see Alien 5 happen first. A lot of buzz on the web happened when news for Alien 5 finally show up. With Alien 5 coming, who wants to see Prometheus 2. We also have Predator 4 too.
Its concerning how much of Alien 5 and Prometheus 2 would have an influence on one another, such as Alien 5 having some form of reference to Prometheus 2 maintaining continuity. Its a worry that will these films be good enough to stand on their own, or be compromised all for the sake of forcing continuity and universe building by combing their Alien Prometheus brands.
Heck with Shane Black's new Predator 4 on the way its not out of the question that in several years maybe many more Fox will reattempt Aliens VS. Predator film by applying more MARVEL style continuity through multiple Aliens, Prometheus, Predator and Aliens Vs Predator films. They tried this with the Fire and Stone comics with mixed results. "Though if Fox were to do again Ridley Scott and Sigourney Weaver" would most definitely abandoned the franchise once and for all."
I recently read that there is speculation the Xenos will appear in the PREDATOR reboot as well. Which means well, 3 Alien films coming.
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 06, 2015, 05:53:56 AM
I recently read that there is speculation the Xenos will appear in the PREDATOR reboot as well. Which means well, 3 Alien films coming.
Do you have any sources for this?
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Aug 06, 2015, 02:20:33 AM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 05, 2015, 05:58:54 PM
I understand your point of view. Although, Prometheus felt like to me that it was made in such a way that indicated that a sequel was necessary.
It would be fine if Prometheus 2 never happens. The big mistake with Prometheus was thinking it would be good. Instead, it was a tale of smart people doing dumb things.
Isn't there a fanbase outside of AvPG for the Prometheus franchise?
Spoiler
http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/ (http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/)
It's a title that deserves to be it's franchise in my opinion.
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 06, 2015, 05:53:56 AM
I recently read that there is speculation the Xenos will appear in the PREDATOR reboot as well. Which means well, 3 Alien films coming.
Have you got a link?
There's nothing wrong with having continuity links between the films as long as it's not forced. And the downfalls of Fire and Stone aren't due to the continuity link, it was down to the story playing too much in Prometheus' sandbox and not being allowed to really do much in case of stepping on the film.
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 06, 2015, 05:53:56 AM
I recently read that there is speculation the Xenos will appear in the PREDATOR reboot as well. Which means well, 3 Alien films coming.
As much as I like Alien vs Predator, and the two sharing the same universe.. after PREDATORS and Prometheus, I don't think I want an AVP universe where Super Predators and Engineers exist too. Sorry for sounding like a broken record but... I'd rather the film series just be their own thing now. And then there is the whole revisionist history which Blomkamp is supposedly doing which... I'll admit, I'm not too sure on whether or not of being too keen on.
(As long as Ripley doesn't wake up to the sound of running water and finds Hicks taking a shower.. I maybe okay with that.)
In regards to Shane's movie, I wouldn't bank on the Xenomorphs making an appearance. As you said, that's just speculation and nothing more or less. I'm not sure where this rumor started, but do we know anything about the movie? No, so.. until we hear more from all fronts on all projects, I wouldn't take too much seriously.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 06, 2015, 07:42:26 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 06, 2015, 05:53:56 AM
I recently read that there is speculation the Xenos will appear in the PREDATOR reboot as well. Which means well, 3 Alien films coming.
Have you got a link?
There's nothing wrong with having continuity links between the films as long as it's not forced. And the downfalls of Fire and Stone aren't due to the continuity link, it was down to the story playing too much in Prometheus' sandbox and not being allowed to really do much in case of stepping on the film.
http://masterherald.com/alien-5-and-two-more-alien-films-in-the-works-to-the-delight-of-all-fans/23265/
I can't find any other info on this so... take it lightly.
However, I personally want the AVP stuff to remain completely detached from the Alien franchise. I like AVP but don't want the mythologies to cross at all. MAYBE, on a TV show after at least 2 seasons of great ALIEN content.
I'd love to see an Earth-set ALIEN show that continues Ripley 8's storyline and finishes it for good in the first season, then continues onto the Engineers on Earth for a second season and then MAYBE for a third or fourth season throws AVP or PREDTORS into the mix - off world on a mining colony or something.
I guess Prometheus will be out by early 2017 then leaving Alien 5 by 2018. It would be cool if Alien 5 and Predator 4 both came out in the same year, but I highly doubt it.
Eurgh, Predator 4 and Alien 5. Shows you how low these franchise's have slumped.
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 06, 2015, 05:17:16 PM
http://masterherald.com/alien-5-and-two-more-alien-films-in-the-works-to-the-delight-of-all-fans/23265/
I can't find any other info on this so... take it lightly.
General rule of thumb - don't trust this website.
Like Dallas said, "I don't trust anyone." *nods*
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Aug 06, 2015, 02:20:33 AM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 05, 2015, 05:58:54 PM
I understand your point of view. Although, Prometheus felt like to me that it was made in such a way that indicated that a sequel was necessary.
It would be fine if Prometheus 2 never happens. The big mistake with Prometheus was thinking it would be good. Instead, it was a tale of smart people doing dumb things.
The biggest mistake with Prometheus was thinking that it would somehow be so groundbreaking that it would stop being a traditional thriller (where characters have always 99% of the time done dumb things for plots sake). Damon Lindelof isn't a great writer by any stretch, more of a hack, in my opinion.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 06, 2015, 07:13:46 PM
Eurgh, Predator 4 and Alien 5. Shows you how low these franchise's have slumped.
lol Why? They both have barely enough content to base any concrete speculations as of yet.
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Aug 07, 2015, 03:17:40 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Aug 06, 2015, 02:20:33 AM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 05, 2015, 05:58:54 PM
I understand your point of view. Although, Prometheus felt like to me that it was made in such a way that indicated that a sequel was necessary.
It would be fine if Prometheus 2 never happens. The big mistake with Prometheus was thinking it would be good. Instead, it was a tale of smart people doing dumb things.
The biggest mistake with Prometheus was thinking that it would somehow be so groundbreaking that it would stop being a traditional thriller (where characters have always 99% of the time done dumb things for plots sake). Damon Lindelof isn't a great writer by any stretch, more of a hack, in my opinion.
Completely agree. I think that is when Prometheus took a turn for the worse - when Lindelof got involved. Convoluted doesn't equate to a high-brow film.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 07, 2015, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 06, 2015, 07:13:46 PM
Eurgh, Predator 4 and Alien 5. Shows you how low these franchise's have slumped.
lol Why? They both have barely enough content to base any concrete speculations as of yet.
Indeed. Sequels doesn't equate to sinking low.
When they are the fourth or fifth film in the series they usually stink. There are too many films in both franchise's already.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 08, 2015, 01:58:37 PM
When they are the fourth or fifth film in the series they usually stink. There are too many films in both franchise's already.
Mad Max Fury Road (Mad Max 4) begs to differ. But generally speaking you're right, people seem to stop trying after the second or third film and just go through the motions.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 08, 2015, 02:05:41 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 08, 2015, 01:58:37 PM
When they are the fourth or fifth film in the series they usually stink. There are too many films in both franchise's already.
Mad Max Fury Road (Mad Max 4) begs to differ. But generally speaking you're right, people seem to stop trying after the second or third film and just go through the motions.
There are exceptions but in the case of these films there won't be. Alien 5 is directed by Blomkamp and Predator has the inherent problem of being liked because it was an Arnie film. No Arnie, No Predator.
Not all 4th films are bad. Mad Max 4, Rambo 4, Lethal Weapon 4 and Toxic Avenger 4 where all good and decent. Just give Predator 4 a good writer and director.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 08, 2015, 02:05:41 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 08, 2015, 01:58:37 PM
When they are the fourth or fifth film in the series they usually stink. There are too many films in both franchise's already.
Mad Max Fury Road (Mad Max 4) begs to differ. But generally speaking you're right, people seem to stop trying after the second or third film and just go through the motions.
The reason this happens is that by the time a film is sucessful enough to warrant a third or forth installment, the studio no longer has a blank slate to work with, they have a commodity. And a commodity is a loaded thing. People expect certain things from an Alien film, and that is where and how the Alien series went wrong. The studio and producers start insisting on certain things, certain degrees of intensity, certain vibes and that certain material be present. This is death to a writer and its why Im not in agreement with fans about Alien 3... Because I think they still attempted to do something in a different vein from the laat two while accomodating the producers... This is likely what also makes people dislike it because it still attempts to qualify with what happened before it but should have not tried and went off entirely on its own (like the wooden planet tried to do for better or worse). Of course, you take a gamble doing that because it may be different in a way fans dislike. But from A:R onward, minus Prometheus mostly, the franchise was eaten by people trying to restore its former glory instead of carving its own niche. The exceptions prove the rule. The best stuff in A:R is the stuff thats original, the things that ruin it are the things that attempt to be more like Alien and Aliens... Cameron was able to build on what came before his film but I worry when people start saying they want another 'Aliens like' or 'alien-like' film because that how these problems start. Because there are studi heads with some BS checklist going "It has to be like this..." And "This has to be like this but not too much of this..." Or even "we need it to have more action or less gore or blah-de-blah...
The Alien franchise has life in it. Prometheus showed that. They took it away from the originals and tried to do something different. I comment them on that, but what I won't do is get hard for a film for fan boys. I really hate that. Alien 5 is a stupid idea from a below average director. The Predator franchised is f**ked, no matter who you out on it. The franchise has confined itself into a singular motif. The hunter and the hunted. Maybe Shane Black will change it up but he's got a challenge.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2015, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 07, 2015, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 06, 2015, 07:13:46 PM
Eurgh, Predator 4 and Alien 5. Shows you how low these franchise's have slumped.
lol Why? They both have barely enough content to base any concrete speculations as of yet.
Indeed. Sequels doesn't equate to sinking low.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 08, 2015, 02:05:41 PM
Mad Max Fury Road (Mad Max 4) begs to differ.
The Admin quoted me!? He quoted me!
QuoteHe was looking at your avatar!
No... I am awaited... I am awaited in Valhalla!
One of the best movies of the decade. Miller really made audiences remember the values of practical effects.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 08, 2015, 09:37:22 PM
The Alien franchise has life in it. Prometheus showed that. They took it away from the originals and tried to do something different. I comment them on that, but what I won't do is get hard for a film for fan boys. I really hate that. Alien 5 is a stupid idea from a below average director. The Predator franchised is f**ked, no matter who you out on it. The franchise has confined itself into a singular motif. The hunter and the hunted. Maybe Shane Black will change it up but he's got a challenge.
How irate :/
Alien 5 has no ideas just a name... How could you perceive a film as stupid with nothing other than the fact that it's a sequel?
Neil is definitely
NOT below average as a director. You might not like his movies but I for one believe that he is very skilled in his field and understands the roots behind a good Sci-fi film more so than a lot of our previous Sci-fi film makers.
As for Predator it has a lot of space and freedom in it's continuity to virtually do anything and pull it off. Predator even has more space and freedom than the Alien franchise does believe it or not.
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Aug 07, 2015, 03:17:40 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Aug 06, 2015, 02:20:33 AM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 05, 2015, 05:58:54 PM
I understand your point of view. Although, Prometheus felt like to me that it was made in such a way that indicated that a sequel was necessary.
It would be fine if Prometheus 2 never happens. The big mistake with Prometheus was thinking it would be good. Instead, it was a tale of smart people doing dumb things.
The biggest mistake with Prometheus was thinking that it would somehow be so groundbreaking that it would stop being a traditional thriller (where characters have always 99% of the time done dumb things for plots sake). Damon Lindelof isn't a great writer by any stretch, more of a hack, in my opinion.
Totally agree. I've been thinking for a while now, if Lindelof was as good a writer as he is at Spin/PR/Interviews, he would be the best Hollywood screenwriter of all time! A hack indeed, it can't be coincidence that everything he touches has some inherent movie ruining flaw(s).
The number of sequels behind something doesn't mean it gets worse. Obviously...Alien has done this but it's really down to the attitude of the powers that be and the talent behind the film. I wouldn't make any assumptions based on it being number 5.
Friday the 13th part 6 was pretty damn good, considering how bad most of the sequels were. No one wanted it (except die-hard fans of that series, I suppose) but it was funny and entertaining.
It isn't so much as it being a sequel but rather a reboot.
When I am refering to reboot I am speaking in the sense of making a franchise relevant again and not only remaking the plot from point A.
So far a lot of reboots have been successful during this decade. Maybe Alien 5 will be one of them?
Reboots tend to reinvent things. What if Alien 5 plays out like the first two films? Is it still a reboot?
Quote from: NickisSmart on Aug 10, 2015, 10:02:02 AM
Reboots tend to reinvent things. What if Alien 5 plays out like the first two films? Is it still a reboot?
By definition; yes.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 10:49:14 AMBy definition; yes.
No.
A reboot is a fresh start, wiping the slate of anything that has happened before and starting over afresh. See:
Batman Begins. By definition it writes off the previous Batman films.
Simply being similar in story and tone or "making a franchise relevant again" does not make it a reboot. That isn't what a reboot is.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2015, 11:45:19 AM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 10:49:14 AMBy definition; yes.
No.
A reboot is a fresh start, wiping the slate of anything that has happened before and starting over afresh. See: Batman Begins. By definition it writes off the previous Batman films.
Simply being similar in story and tone or "making a franchise relevant again" does not make it a reboot. That isn't what a reboot is.
That is the definition of a remake. Remake is not synonymous to reboot.
By definition of Reboot:
Quotesomething, especially a series of films or television programs, that has been restarted or revived.
Definition of Revive:
Quoterestore interest in or the popularity of.
By definition of Remake:
Quotea movie or piece of music that has been filmed or recorded again and rereleased.
A film can be a reboot and a remake at the same time.
Sources:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Remake&oq=Remake&aqs=chrome..69i57.1257j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=define+Reboot (https://www.google.ca/search?q=Remake&oq=Remake&aqs=chrome..69i57.1257j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=define+Reboot)
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Remake&oq=Remake&aqs=chrome..69i57.1257j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=define+Revive (https://www.google.ca/search?q=Remake&oq=Remake&aqs=chrome..69i57.1257j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=define+Revive)
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Remake&oq=Remake&aqs=chrome..69i57.1257j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=define+Remake (https://www.google.ca/search?q=Remake&oq=Remake&aqs=chrome..69i57.1257j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=define+Remake)
Wrong.
When you reboot something, you switch it off and start again. "In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning."
A remake is a retreading of the same plot. A reboot can restart a series without being a remake of any of the previous entries (e.g. Casino Royale or, again, Batman Begins).
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2015, 12:12:11 PM
Wrong.
When you reboot something, you switch it off and start again. "In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning."
A remake is a retreading of the same plot. A reboot can restart a series without being a remake of any of the previous entries (e.g. Casino Royale or, again, Batman Begins).
Sources?
Ah I see now; Wikipedia.
Although stated under types the definition is as follows:
QuoteFilm
With reboots, filmmakers revamp and reinvigorate a film series in order to attract new fans and stimulate revenue.[2] A reboot can renew interest in a series that has grown stale, and can be met with positive, mixed, or negative results by both the consumers and film critics.[4] Reboots also act as a safe project for a studio, as a reboot with an established fan base is less risky (in terms of expected profit) than an entirely original work, while at the same time allowing the studio to explore new demographics.[5] Reboots also allow directors and producers to cast a new set of younger actors for the familiar roles of a film series, which can attract a younger audience.[citation needed]
http://www.bewilderingstories.com/issue344/reboot1.html (http://www.bewilderingstories.com/issue344/reboot1.html)
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2009/08/25/top-12-forthcoming-franchise-reboots (http://uk.ign.com/articles/2009/08/25/top-12-forthcoming-franchise-reboots)
http://reboot.askdefinebeta.com/ (http://reboot.askdefinebeta.com/)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ContinuityReboot (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ContinuityReboot)
https://www.wordnik.com/words/reboot (https://www.wordnik.com/words/reboot)
The actual quote I posted is admittedly taken from Wikipedia, but it cites some of those links as sources, and it's the best one-line explanation I've come across.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 12:14:23 PMQuoteWith reboots, filmmakers revamp and reinvigorate a film series in order to attract new fans and stimulate revenue. A reboot can renew interest in a series that has grown stale, and can be met with positive, mixed, or negative results by both the consumers and film critics.
None of which actually explains what a reboot
is. Sure, a reboot can reinvigorate a series, but so can a straight-up sequel. Does that mean sequels are now reboots too?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2015, 12:33:03 PM
http://www.bewilderingstories.com/issue344/reboot1.html (http://www.bewilderingstories.com/issue344/reboot1.html)
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2009/08/25/top-12-forthcoming-franchise-reboots (http://uk.ign.com/articles/2009/08/25/top-12-forthcoming-franchise-reboots)
http://reboot.askdefinebeta.com/ (http://reboot.askdefinebeta.com/)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ContinuityReboot (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ContinuityReboot)
https://www.wordnik.com/words/reboot (https://www.wordnik.com/words/reboot)
The actual quote I posted is admittedly taken from Wikipedia, but it cites some of those links as sources, and it's the best one-line explanation I've come across.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 12:14:23 PMQuoteWith reboots, filmmakers revamp and reinvigorate a film series in order to attract new fans and stimulate revenue. A reboot can renew interest in a series that has grown stale, and can be met with positive, mixed, or negative results by both the consumers and film critics.
None of which actually explains what a reboot is. Sure, a reboot can reinvigorate a series, but so can a straight-up sequel. Does that mean sequels are now reboots too?
These definitions use
Discard,
Non-Essential and
Continuity. When we look at
Discard it is referring to removing something of no use, which can mean anything.
Non-Essential referring to something which is not important, which can be anything.
Continuity referring to consistent detail of various scenes in a film or broadcast; again using a word like
Detail, which could also mean anything!
I think we have come across a paradoxical noun that can only be fixed by someone with the authority on the matter.
This is why only the U.K should invent English words!
No, you're just nit-picking. "To restart an entertainment universe that has already been previously established, and begin with a new story line and/or timeline that disregards the original writer's previously established history, thus making it obsolete and void" is perfectly specific. That is what a reboot is.
That said, the press seems to have a habit of throwing the term at any new entry in an established film series, regardless of whether or not it's warranted. Everyone was claiming Predator 4 was a reboot, until Shane Black himself pointed out it isn't.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2015, 01:08:32 PM
That said, the press seems to have a habit of throwing the term at any new entry in an established film series, regardless of whether or not it's warranted. Everyone was claiming Predator 4 was a reboot, until Shane Black himself pointed out it isn't.
Something that happens too much now-a-days. There's too much of a confusion between reboot/remake and just plain sequel.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2015, 01:08:32 PM
No, you're just nit-picking. "To restart an entertainment universe that has already been previously established, and begin with a new story line and/or timeline that disregards the original writer's previously established history, thus making it obsolete and void" is perfectly specific. That is what a reboot is.
Your citation comes from a writer that proclaimed the definition for his article. I'm sorry but I am a bit skeptical on
that being what a reboot is.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2015, 01:08:32 PM
That said, the press seems to have a habit of throwing the term at any new entry in an established film series, regardless of whether or not it's warranted. Everyone was claiming Predator 4 was a reboot, until Shane Black himself pointed out it isn't.
Ah yes, the press, also writers whom proclaim the definition for their own articles. I guess we can confirm that Shane Black is the vocabulary enforcer.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 01:22:09 PMYour citation comes from a writer that proclaimed the definition for his article. I'm sorry but I am a bit skeptical on that being what a reboot is.
And yet it agrees with every other source I provided.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 01:22:09 PMI guess we can confirm that Shane Black is the vocabulary enforcer.
We can confirm Shane Black is the man actually making the movie. I'm inclined to listen to his analysis of it over some reporter who's subsequently been proven incorrect in his/her statements
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2015, 01:43:35 PM
And yet it agrees with every other source I provided.
Whilst adding input upon it. Your writer also referred to Star Trek (2009) as a reboot, which is in the same continuation as the originals (although in a separate timeline.) Which contradicts his definition in the first place.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2015, 01:43:35 PM
We can confirm Shane Black is the man actually making the movie. I'm inclined to listen to his analysis of it over some reporter who's subsequently been proven incorrect in his/her statements
No, he/she was not proven incorrect. He/She just used a fairly new figurative term, people misunderstood, and then Shane clarified that it was not a reboot in the definition that they might have been thinking.
By literal definition the term has no relevance to film. By figurative we can see that nothing can be confirmed for it.
So under these circumstances I am sticking with the rudimentary approach to the word. Feel free to disagree with me.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 02:13:53 PMYour writer also referred to Star Trek (2009) as a reboot, which is in the same continuation as the originals (although in a separate timeline.) Which contradicts his definition in the first place.
Not it doesn't.
Star Trek 2009
is a reboot. In continuity terms, it wipes the slate clean and begins again. It's just an incredibly specific case whereby, thanks to the miracles of time travel, it does so in a way that allows them to say the previous films still happened in some way. Because if they'd literally tried to start over the Trek fans would've gone apeshit. But in terms of its story, and the story now ongoing in the subsequent sequels, it was a completely fresh start, done specifically to jettison the baggage of the previous movies. Sure, it's a very unusual case that comes with a notable 'but', yet it's still a reboot.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 02:13:53 PMBy literal definition the term has no relevance to film.
It has total relevance to film ever since the term reboot has become synonymous with the act of restarting a film franchise from zero.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 02:13:53 PMSo under these circumstances I am sticking with the rudimentary approach to the word. Feel free to disagree with me.
The most rudimentary approach would be to use 'reboot' as defined in the original computer context, I suppose. Which means to reset and restart again from scratch. Exactly as I have been saying.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2015, 02:29:54 PM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 02:13:53 PMYour writer also referred to Star Trek (2009) as a reboot, which is in the same continuation as the originals (although in a separate timeline.) Which contradicts his definition in the first place.
Not it doesn't. Star Trek 2009 is a reboot. In continuity terms, it wipes the slate clean and begins again. It's just an incredibly specific case whereby, thanks to the miracles of time travel, it does so in a way that allows them to say the previous films still happened in some way. Because if they'd literally tried to start over the Trek fans would've gone apeshit. But in terms of its story, and the story now ongoing in the subsequent sequels, it was a completely fresh start, done specifically to jettison the baggage of the previous movies. Sure, it's a very unusual case that comes with a notable 'but', yet it's still a reboot.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 02:13:53 PMBy literal definition the term has no relevance to film.
It has total relevance to film ever since the term reboot has become synonymous with the act of restarting a film franchise from zero.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 02:13:53 PMSo under these circumstances I am sticking with the rudimentary approach to the word. Feel free to disagree with me.
The most rudimentary approach would be to use 'reboot' as defined in the original computer context, I suppose. Which means to reset and restart again from scratch. Exactly as I have been saying.
Whatever dude.
There seems to be a lot of confusion as to what reboot means, as far as I can tell from these posts.
Here's my take on it, for what it's worth: A reboot is essentially a retelling of a classic story franchise. It doesn't have to borrow the exact details of the plot, even. Many episodes or movies have basic parts that you can swap out and still maintain the structure of the story (hero, villain, love interest, plot-twist, etc). What's important is that you have enough elements from a series to make it somewhat recognizable. So the new Star Trek has Kirk and Bones and Spock in it, even though the story itself is "original," in the sense that isn't an exact retelling of an old episode or film from the franchise. It is something "old" that has been adapted to modern audiences.
So, simply put, a reboot is an adaptation. It's Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, the novel, versus Kenneth Branagh's film of the same name. It's Star Trek the 1960's TV show versus the 2009 J.J. Abrams film of the same name, and so on.
A sequel, on the other hand, is a continuation of a story or episode. It is Empire Strikes Back following A New Hope. It is The Fly 2 following The Fly. The stories are actually connected, and more than thematically. They are sequential and take place in the same universe, with the same exact characters, and are distinguished from one another chronologically.
Alien 5 is a sequel because it takes place in the same exact universe that Cameron created, with the same characters, following the events that transpired in Aliens, just as Aliens was a sequel for the same reasons in regards to Alien.
That's how I see it, anyways.
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Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 06, 2015, 07:13:46 PM
Eurgh, Predator 4 and Alien 5. Shows you how low these franchise's have slumped.
lol Why? They both have barely enough content to base any concrete speculations as of yet.
Indeed. Sequels doesn't equate to sinking low.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 08, 2015, 02:05:41 PM
Mad Max Fury Road (Mad Max 4) begs to differ.
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One of the best movies of the decade. Miller really made audiences remember the values of practical effects.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 08, 2015, 09:37:22 PM
The Alien franchise has life in it. Prometheus showed that. They took it away from the originals and tried to do something different. I comment them on that, but what I won't do is get hard for a film for fan boys. I really hate that. Alien 5 is a stupid idea from a below average director. The Predator franchised is f**ked, no matter who you out on it. The franchise has confined itself into a singular motif. The hunter and the hunted. Maybe Shane Black will change it up but he's got a challenge.
How irate :/
Alien 5 has no ideas just a name... How could you perceive a film as stupid with nothing other than the fact that it's a sequel?
Neil is definitely NOT below average as a director. You might not like his movies but I for one believe that he is very skilled in his field and understands the roots behind a good Sci-fi film more so than a lot of our previous Sci-fi film makers.
As for Predator it has a lot of space and freedom in it's continuity to virtually do anything and pull it off. Predator even has more space and freedom than the Alien franchise does believe it or not.
Ofcourse I'm commenting on Blomkamp's batting average, he's had one good film the rest have been underwhelming. The stupid idea is opening up the franchise by resurrecting two dead protagonist. There is a wealth of options that the franchise has but moving backwards is the wrong direction in my opinion.
My comment about it being the fourth and fifth installments of the franchise's is based on my idea that if you don't have 3 parts to the story (beginning, middle and end) then it doesn't work. Ripley had that, we don't need a further film to satisfy people's disappointment. Just my opinion.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2015, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 07, 2015, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 06, 2015, 07:13:46 PM
Eurgh, Predator 4 and Alien 5. Shows you how low these franchise's have slumped.
lol Why? They both have barely enough content to base any concrete speculations as of yet.
Indeed. Sequels doesn't equate to sinking low.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 08, 2015, 02:05:41 PM
Mad Max Fury Road (Mad Max 4) begs to differ.
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One of the best movies of the decade. Miller really made audiences remember the values of practical effects.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 08, 2015, 09:37:22 PM
The Alien franchise has life in it. Prometheus showed that. They took it away from the originals and tried to do something different. I comment them on that, but what I won't do is get hard for a film for fan boys. I really hate that. Alien 5 is a stupid idea from a below average director. The Predator franchised is f**ked, no matter who you out on it. The franchise has confined itself into a singular motif. The hunter and the hunted. Maybe Shane Black will change it up but he's got a challenge.
How irate :/
Alien 5 has no ideas just a name... How could you perceive a film as stupid with nothing other than the fact that it's a sequel?
Neil is definitely NOT below average as a director. You might not like his movies but I for one believe that he is very skilled in his field and understands the roots behind a good Sci-fi film more so than a lot of our previous Sci-fi film makers.
As for Predator it has a lot of space and freedom in it's continuity to virtually do anything and pull it off. Predator even has more space and freedom than the Alien franchise does believe it or not.
Ofcourse I'm commenting on Blomkamp's batting average, he's had one good film the rest have been underwhelming. The stupid idea is opening up the franchise by resurrecting two dead protagonist. There is a wealth of options that the franchise has but moving backwards is the wrong direction in my opinion.
My comment about it being the fourth and fifth installments of the franchise's is based on my idea that if you don't have 3 parts to the story (beginning, middle and end) then it doesn't work. Ripley had that, we don't need a further film to satisfy people's disappointment. Just my opinion.
I agree! You've worded it spectacularly my friend! However, as I said, I am holding my tongue until it hits production. I'm sure Neil is aware of this issue and will respond to it hopefully.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Aug 11, 2015, 02:32:16 AM
There seems to be a lot of confusion as to what reboot means, as far as I can tell from these posts.
Here's my take on it, for what it's worth: A reboot is essentially a retelling of a classic story franchise. It doesn't have to borrow the exact details of the plot, even. Many episodes or movies have basic parts that you can swap out and still maintain the structure of the story (hero, villain, love interest, plot-twist, etc). What's important is that you have enough elements from a series to make it somewhat recognizable. So the new Star Trek has Kirk and Bones and Spock in it, even though the story itself is "original," in the sense that isn't an exact retelling of an old episode or film from the franchise. It is something "old" that has been adapted to modern audiences.
So, simply put, a reboot is an adaptation. It's Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, the novel, versus Kenneth Branagh's film of the same name. It's Star Trek the 1960's TV show versus the 2009 J.J. Abrams film of the same name, and so on.
A sequel, on the other hand, is a continuation of a story or episode. It is Empire Strikes Back following A New Hope. It is The Fly 2 following The Fly. The stories are actually connected, and more than thematically. They are sequential and take place in the same universe, with the same exact characters, and are distinguished from one another chronologically.
Alien 5 is a sequel because it takes place in the same exact universe that Cameron created, with the same characters, following the events that transpired in Aliens, just as Aliens was a sequel for the same reasons in regards to Alien.
That's how I see it, anyways.
I think we should save this for it's own thread. I apologize for derailing the thread and showing this unnecessary aggression towards Hudafuk, please forgive me and let us proceed on point more amicably this time. :)
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I understand your point of view. Although, Prometheus felt like to me that it was made in such a way that indicated that a sequel was necessary.
It would be fine if Prometheus 2 never happens. The big mistake with Prometheus was thinking it would be good. Instead, it was a tale of smart people doing dumb things.
The biggest mistake with Prometheus was thinking that it would somehow be so groundbreaking that it would stop being a traditional thriller (where characters have always 99% of the time done dumb things for plots sake). Damon Lindelof isn't a great writer by any stretch, more of a hack, in my opinion.
I think the characters could have been a bit smarter and still had things go awry. What we got was sort of silly - unintentionally silly. And I agree with you about Lindelof. We can assign him a fair share of the blame. But I'm not really convinced the Jon Spaihts story was that much better, but with successive drafts, maybe it would have worked out better on film. I think there is an underlying problem with Prometheus. After all this time, we as audience have our own ideas about the space jockey and the derelict on LV426, our own ideas about that mythology. So, for a movie to come along and overwrite those ideas, it's a little problem. For people to accept it, the movie has to be spectacular. It has to be a movie where people say, "Wow! That was great! That makes sense, too." Where Prometheus was more of a big budget feature for the SciFi channel with gaping plot holes and ridiculous logical leaps, it's easy to reject it. My 2 cents, anyway.
With the new F4 movie bombing, I can see Fox using the F4 sequel release date now for Prometheus 2. However WWZ2 is set for June 2017 as well. They can move WWZ2 to a different date if it's possible.