Been looking forward to this one. Can't wait!
Excellent. I wonder how they'll go about the AvP ones because of the Fire & Stone style crossovers.
About time!!! Geesh!
Nice to finally have an announcement on this.
Quote from: Some Old Dude on Jun 04, 2023, 11:35:08 PMI wonder how they'll go about the AvP ones because of the Fire & Stone style crossovers.
I've been wondering whether those fourway-crossover series would be lumped in with
AVP or whether they might do a separate
Prometheus omnibus for all that stuff, although tbh pickings seem a little slim for the latter.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2023, 12:23:00 PMNice to finally have an announcement on this.
Quote from: Some Old Dude on Jun 04, 2023, 11:35:08 PMI wonder how they'll go about the AvP ones because of the Fire & Stone style crossovers.
I've been wondering whether those fourway-crossover series would be lumped in with AVP or whether they might do a separate Prometheus omnibus for all that stuff, although tbh pickings seem a little slim for the latter.
Yea I thought they might do a separate prometheus line too. The complete "fire & stone" as well as "life & death" hardcover books are pretty massive. Put them together and you'd have about 920 pages. I think they could do a single volume for prometheus that combines those two books. It'd be their shortest one of the bunch, but not by much...
Oh PS.
I also noticed that their previous crossovers that started off "aliens," then went to "predator" before wrapping up the story arc with an AVP series, were split up. For example, xenogenesis (yuck) they put the aliens story in the alien omnibus, and the predator story in the predator omnibus. I'm assuming when (if) they do an AVP omnibus, the AVP xenogenesis series will be there. Same thing with Aliens: more than human, Predator: prey to the heavens, and AVP: three world war.
... BUT...
They didn't do that with the aliens and predator portions of Fire & Stone or Life & Death. That makes me wonder if they're saving those two to be lumped together into one giant book.
PPS.
Sorry for the triple post, but Someone on Facebook just pointed out they forgot the "Predator: Race War" series. Hopefully that's in volume 2 and they just forgot to list it here...
race war was volume 1 i think
Quote from: athan on Jun 06, 2023, 11:32:02 PMrace war was volume 1 i think
Nope.
It's not in volume 1.
I double checked today when I saw someone point out that it's not in volume 2 either.
He was right.
It's completely missing.
Could it be a rights thing somehow? I find it hard to believe they overlooked it when the Alien collections were so comprehensive.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 07, 2023, 05:56:23 AMCould it be a rights thing somehow? I find it hard to believe they overlooked it when the Alien collections were so comprehensive.
I dunno
But I'm certainly curious to find out *why* it was excluded (assuming it's not an accident, or that someone forgot to write it down for this announcement, etc).
I finally got my original years Vol' 1 book today. I'm guessing Race War was left out due to modern day sensibilities? I've not read the story so I don't know, just speculating. Were rival gangs in the prison made up of different races or something? Probably just didn't feel right for Disney if so? Just a guess...
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2023, 12:23:00 PMNice to finally have an announcement on this.
Quote from: Some Old Dude on Jun 04, 2023, 11:35:08 PMI wonder how they'll go about the AvP ones because of the Fire & Stone style crossovers.
I've been wondering whether those fourway-crossover series would be lumped in with AVP or whether they might do a separate Prometheus omnibus for all that stuff, although tbh pickings seem a little slim for the latter.
It's an interesting question. I would think they would lump the Prometheus stuff under the AvP banner, just because it would sell better that way but who knows. Hopefully we hear something about AvP soon.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 07, 2023, 05:56:23 AMCould it be a rights thing somehow? I find it hard to believe they overlooked it when the Alien collections were so comprehensive.
I am 99% sure this is the case - Race War was (co) written by crime author Andrew Vachss and one of the main characters is called Cross who, I believe, has appeared in several of Vachss' novels.
Based on that, it is a safe bet that the rights to the Cross character either belong to the novels publisher or Vachss personally - or perhaps Vachss gave Dark Horse rights to the Cross character solely in publishing and republishing the Race War comics context..?
So, for whatever reason, whilst not in the same league as the Predator, Magnus, Tarzan etc., Predator crossovers, Race War is not completely different from those situations where either Disney / Marvel or the copyright holder(s) of the Cross character, either one or both sides are not willing to make a deal to allow the reprint.
I personally have my suspicions on what side of the table wouldn't be willing to look at making a deal, but that would just be my personal sepculation.
I hope that explantion helps!
Issues have been revomed from the omnibus by Marvel.
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/marvel-removes-comics-over-racial-concerns-from-predator-omnibus/
Thats unfortunate. The Predator actually kills Nazis...
But at 1000 pages, it's a huge collection already.
Them removing the Nazis feels pretty silly to me. That's like removing the Nazi scenes from Indiana Jones.
Instead of removing why not just add a disclaimer.
Yeah, this sounds dumb, and is really disappointing given how solid these collections have been thus far.
How are Nazis more upsetting than dudes getting their spines ripped out?
Oh for f**k's sake.
Hate the fact that this has happened but I love Nancy's response.
Well. Not like Marvel is run by serious people.
I noticed that the more serious profanity in Alien: Icarus was censored as well. Do they think we can't handle challenging themes?
WE'RE ADULTS, YOU IDIOTS.
This is a shock but not at all surprising, while condemning nefarious figures of history and forces who's ideologies and practices are unethical, inhumane, reprehensible, overall utterly atrocious, the depictions of them in media is not endorsing, a glorification or promotion for what they believe stand for. They're shown as characters set during specific pints of history, they're the focus of the story they're not to be justified or sympathised but simply serving the setting of the plot. Context matters.
And that´s the reason I WILL NEVER SELL OR THROW MY PREDATOR OMNIBUS COMICS COLLECTION. >:( C´mon, Marvel! I bet most of the fandom are adults who know what is correct and wrong, NOT KIDS.
Quote from: Gridseeker on Dec 12, 2023, 03:34:00 PMAnd that´s the reason I WILL NEVER SELL OR THROW MY PREDATOR OMNIBUS COMICS COLLECTION. >:( C´mon, Marvel! I bet most of the fandom are adults who know what is correct and wrong, NOT KIDS.
Yeah I still have the omnibus sets for everything, I have no intention of replacing them.
I´m still searching both vol.3 and 4 for a decent price.
This is a strange decision: If anything, we should have even more comics depicting the predator slicing fascists and slavers into bloody goop.
You know, I was torn whether to pick up the marvel hardcover Predator sets (on account I'm not really as fussed on Predator comics as I am Aliens) but this news pretty much cements that I won't be... who wants to spend that much money on sets that are incomplete? It would annoy the shit out of me to have to have the loose issues separate. Nah, I'd rather put the .CBR files for the complete run to disc and make a nice custom blu-ray cover. Bad call Marvel, it was a bad call...
Ok. So why would I buy it if it's not COMPLETE?!
It's ridiculous, I don't know if those comics have inappropriate or outdated themes and elements, it's not a reason to remove or censor them. Sure, some things in older publications can be offensive for someone, but aware readers should know that's because they were made in different times or it's just plot element. Especially some controversial symbole like swastika shouldn't be removed if they are there just for story reasons and they aren't glorified or anything. I mean, if I remember correctly, in one of those comics Predator was just killing nazis, how it is supposed to be offensive or controversial? And even if it was, there shouldn't be any prohibition to take up uncomfortable topics in popculture works, as long as they aren't specifficly and purpously attacking someone.
Quote from: jacobo1122 on Dec 12, 2023, 06:26:06 PMI mean, if I remember correctly, in one of those comics Predator was just killing nazis, how it is supposed to be offensive or controversial?
I suspect the Nazi censorship is more to do with the fact it's illegal to show the swastika in Germany, and they didn't wanna edit the story or publish a different edition just for them.
So with that one I
kinda get it, even if I still think it's a crappy move.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2023, 08:24:04 PMQuote from: jacobo1122 on Dec 12, 2023, 06:26:06 PMI mean, if I remember correctly, in one of those comics Predator was just killing nazis, how it is supposed to be offensive or controversial?
I suspect the Nazi censorship is more to do with the fact it's illegal to show the swastika in Germany, and they didn't wanna edit the story or publish a different edition just for them.
So with that one I kinda get it, even if I still think it's a crappy move.
Oh, I'm always forgetting about this stupid law in Germany. It's not like not showing it in works of fiction will change history. But yeah, it makes sense, kinda.
I don't understand why you'd acquire an IP and then make moves to increase aftermarket sales of the previous owner's still existing products within that IP. It's not like they're losing money, but at this rate I can probably make $200 off of my used literally falling apart DH Predator Omnibus Vol 2 book.
Mine are also falling apart, so I just don't touch them :D
Another bleak development in this increasingly dystopian world. Pretty sure it's all part of some agenda. I don't care if people call me crazy. This needs to stop.
I'm doubly disappointed because I always said I'd only start collecting the comics if someone put together properly comprehensive collections, which up until this point Marvel had been doing.
I was looking forward to this Omnibus... but these days, I'll admit, I am rather annoyed by Di$ney. I don't like fiddling around in books to make them digestable for 'modern audiences', and this includes omitting certain issues. Actually, on second thought... yeah, Di$ney obviously doesnt want my money. Will NOT buy this omnibus. :-/
So sick of cancel culture and their 'book burning' tirade to combat anything that might trigger their precious little snowflake, hate filled, racist, hive mind mentality wannabe nazis.
for "modern audiences". Man, these kind of people are so entitled and the way to ruin for everyone. This is an Adult fictional book. Not for kids. jeez... I knew this censorship going to happen when this Disney Marvel took over. This is unfortunate and will not but this omnibus..
Glad I have them and glad I had the Dark Horse omnibi
Is there any way of convincing them to reverse their decision?
Quote from: D.B. Cooper on Dec 17, 2023, 08:42:27 PMIs there any way of convincing them to reverse their decision?
No.
Aren't humans often the real monsters, or at least still monstrous? Is slavery not the greatest evil, and still with us today, in places like Africa, the Middle East, and China? Was not National Socialism one of the greatest evils of the 20th-century?
They are on the precipice of removing the Yautja altogether from their own series. An intelligent, advanced humanoid race that brutally murders humans, and also at times rapes them to death with facehuggers for their own hunting pleasure? And wasn't the game reserve using humans as slaves, or something very close to it?
Marvel is publishing an IP that revolves around amorality, greed, cruelty, rape, murder, and slavery. This is a universe where "a murderer and rapist of women" becomes a self-sacrificing hero to protect all of humanity. They have a problem with racism and a swastika? If they can't handle adult themes, they shouldn't be publishing the Aliens/Yautja IP.
Quote from: RhinoAlien on Dec 18, 2023, 06:08:17 PMMarvel is publishing an IP that revolves around amorality, greed, cruelty, rape, murder, and slavery. This is a universe where "a murderer and rapist of women" becomes a self-sacrificing hero to protect all of humanity. They have a problem with racism and a swastika? If they can't handle adult themes, they shouldn't be publishing the Aliens/Yautja IP.
Outside of Predator vs Wolverine, I don't think Marvel has done too good of a job in publishing the Alien-Predator comics. It feels too safe, too sanitized in so many ways. I mean even when the characters curse, it's always the jumbled text that goes "Bring it you ugly f@&*!"
Dark Horse, early on fully unleashed and embraced the expletives but the over the years... seriously toned them down (I have no idea why they did but... they did). But as far as I know, words like Hell, Damn, and Shit were still present.
Marvel? Way too safe, way too sanitized from what I've seen.
And they're publishing an IP which has had controversial material through out it's entire run in the films, games, comics and books. And they're afraid of publishing a story which has the Predator killing Nazis? Who are they trying to avoid offending?
Say what you want about Dark Horse but at least their stories entertained.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 20, 2023, 12:15:20 AMAnd they're afraid of publishing a story which has the Predator killing Nazis?
Again, in that instance I suspect it has nothing to do with them being "afraid" and everything to do with the legal situation in Germany.
The other comics being cut sounds like it's all on Marvel.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 20, 2023, 12:15:20 AMSay what you want about Dark Horse but at least their stories entertained.
Not defending Marvel's output but let's not pretend Dark Horse didn't publish some tripe over the years.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 20, 2023, 08:11:34 AMNot defending Marvel's output but let's not pretend Dark Horse didn't publish some tripe over the years.
Nobody's perfect!
I mean... I know there were some Alien-Predator stories which weren't good that Dark Horse did. I mean off the top of my head, I can think of maybe... Aliens: Lovesick, Predator: Strange Roux, Predator: Homeworld (if only cause of the art), and the Xenogenesis run.
As to which ones entertained, is subjective!
But Marvel has this weird "Human Supremacy!" approach with their Predator stories and has Theta effectively one-shotting each Predator she comes across, and I just do not find that entertaining.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 20, 2023, 08:59:31 PMBut Marvel has this weird "Human Supremacy!" approach with their Predator stories and has Theta effectively one-shotting each Predator she comes across, and I just do not find that entertaining.
This depiction in the first arc is certainly the main issue I have with that series, and that surprise kill at the end of the first issue of the second arc aside, that is certainly not how her encounters in the rest of The Preserve went.
I always felt they wanted to jump to Machiko without really earning her, but I loved how they course correctly in The Preserve and had her actually only genuinely succeed against the Predators in The Preserve when surprise was on her side. Every other battle she nearly died in and was only saved by outside influence. It also highlighted her synthetic augmentations which was a great choose.
There would be good to have some flashbacks of Theta's first hunts that didn't go that well. The story is all there in visual storytelling, she is covered with scars, must have lost her leg at some point. It shows that her quest isn't a walk in the park, she just is experienced and have proper gear at the point we first see her. But because we never saw that journey, i can see why for some people her skills and wins may seem undesrved.
I completely agree. It's there in the detail. When I first saw her synthetic leg I had that reaction of "ooohhh...how much more of her is artificial?" I just think we should have seen her go through that. That is what the first arc should have been.
Or first arc could be as it was, but with flashbacks of her previous hunts at certain points. For example when we for the first time see her artifical leg, we could get a panel or few showing how she lost her limb.
Depiction does not equal endorsement.
Again, this simple fact is seemingly too hard to understand in the risk-averse culture of the 2020s.
Have to despair at such idiocy, even more so when there are real, horrendous wars going on.
I guess it's time to replace the good old Dark Horse omnibuses.
ALthough I have no love for them, they have a freaky small size, bland white covers, and binding that breaks apart.
Is this ever coming out?