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Title: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 03, 2020, 03:53:38 PM

If you have any interest in the Alien expanded universe, the odds are you’ve either read and share the overwhelming enthusiasm for Alex White and their novel Alien: The Cold Forge, or it’s been recommended to you! And it’s very well deserved. Fans have been clamoring for Alex’s return and Titan has kindly obliged!

Just announced via Bloody Disgusting, Alex White is returning to the Alien universe with Alien: Into Charybdis!

"Shy" Hunt and the tech team from McAllen Integrations thought they'd have an easy job—set up environmental systems for the brand new Hasanova Data Solutions colony, built on the abandoned ruins of a complex known as "Charybdis". There are just two problems: the colony belongs to the Iranian state, so diplomacy is strained at best, and the colony is located above a series of hidden caves that contain deadly secrets. When a bizarre ship lands on a nearby island, one of the workers is attacked by a taloned creature, and trust evaporates between the Iranians and Americans. The McAllen Integrations crew are imprisoned, accused as spies, but manage to send out a distress signal... to the Colonial Marines. 

 Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!

For those curious, Charybdis was a sea monster in Greek mythology that was later thought to be inspired by a whirlpool in the Strait of Messina. Alien: Into Charybdis is currently slated for release on the 25th of February 2021. It’s not available to pre-order through Amazon yet, but it is being listed for pre-order on Forbidden Planet in the UK!

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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 03, 2020, 03:56:11 PM
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: The Old One on Feb 03, 2020, 04:22:27 PM
Ah, perfect.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Feb 03, 2020, 04:28:55 PM
Words cannot describe my excitement
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Drukathi on Feb 03, 2020, 04:36:43 PM
Yeah, this will be hot!

Quotebizarre ship

Hmm... sounds delicious.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 03, 2020, 05:11:40 PM
Good news!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 03, 2020, 06:37:28 PM
Hell yes.

Don't tell me that that Dorman art is the cover ?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Feb 03, 2020, 06:41:48 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 03, 2020, 06:37:28 PM
Hell yes.

Don't tell me that that Dorman art is the cover ?
Nah that's a piece of art from "aliens: tribes"
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: The Old One on Feb 03, 2020, 06:50:17 PM
I'll say anything with Alex White's name on it deserves that quality of presentation though.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 03, 2020, 07:02:41 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Feb 03, 2020, 06:41:48 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 03, 2020, 06:37:28 PM
Hell yes.

Don't tell me that that Dorman art is the cover ?
Nah that's a piece of art from "aliens: tribes"

I forgot to caption it. I'll amend that shortly.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 03, 2020, 07:15:00 PM
So very excited for this one.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2020, 07:21:35 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2020, 07:35:17 PM
Most exciting Alien news I've received for years.

White is so deserving of another shot at the licence.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 03, 2020, 07:42:55 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Feb 03, 2020, 06:50:17 PM
I'll say anything with Alex White's name on it deserves that quality of presentation though.

Damn right.  Dark Horse should commission Dorman to produce the cover.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 0321recon on Feb 03, 2020, 08:30:00 PM
'When a bizarre ship lands on a nearby island' Never heard of Xenos driving a ship unless I'm mistaken. I'm peaked with interest where he goes with this.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Drukathi on Feb 03, 2020, 08:34:01 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 03, 2020, 06:37:28 PM
Don't tell me that that Dorman art is the cover ?

I know Titan books, you know Titan books, everyone knows Titan books.
We will get Alien with five tubes, three legs, and without head. At least the draft cover will look something like this. ;D
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: The Old One on Feb 03, 2020, 09:08:05 PM
I'm beyond ecstatic.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 03, 2020, 09:20:14 PM
I found the cover art that Titan wants to use for this!

Spoiler
[close]

:laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 03, 2020, 09:21:28 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 03, 2020, 09:20:14 PM
I found the cover art that Titan wants to use for this!

Spoiler
[close]

:laugh:

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: DaniilLogOut on Feb 03, 2020, 09:39:13 PM
f**k yeah
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: felix on Feb 03, 2020, 09:43:24 PM
I just hope there's a Mass Paperback version.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Still Collating... on Feb 03, 2020, 09:59:03 PM
YES!!!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: The Old One on Feb 03, 2020, 10:06:56 PM
Alien: The Cold Forge and Alien: Into Charybdis in gorgeous leather hardcover please.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Engineer on Feb 04, 2020, 01:26:05 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Feb 03, 2020, 10:06:56 PM
Alien: The Cold Forge and Alien: Into Charybdis in gorgeous leather hardcover please.
Oooh, that would be awesome!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 04, 2020, 05:06:26 AM
Cool.  Kinda provocative.  Who knows where we'll be in our relationship with Iran by next February and if that will invite changes and re-writes...

Anticipating nonetheless...
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 04, 2020, 08:03:47 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Feb 03, 2020, 10:06:56 PM
Alien: The Cold Forge and Alien: Into Charybdis in gorgeous leather hardcover please.

With gilt edge and book mark ribbon.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2020, 08:18:35 AM
I am super excited that Alex is returning! It's fantastic that Titan recognized how well received Cold Forge really was.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 04, 2020, 09:19:46 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Feb 03, 2020, 10:06:56 PMAlien: The Cold Forge and Alien: Into Charybdis in gorgeous leather hardcover please.

What I'd really love is for someone to let Folio Society loose on them. Their illustrated Bond novels are amazing:



Sadly, as far as I'm aware, they only do classics :(
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 04, 2020, 10:16:03 AM
Great news. Loads of new stuff being released in the series.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: SiL on Feb 04, 2020, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 04, 2020, 09:19:46 AM
What I'd really love is for someone to let Folio Society loose on them. Their illustrated Bond novels are amazing:

Sadly, as far as I'm aware, they only do classics :(
And I don't think most people would be down to pay over $100 for an Alien novel. Most fans wouldn't, let alone general public.

Aliens: Tribes had a lovely embossed hard cover, though.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 04, 2020, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2020, 10:21:10 AMAnd I don't think most people would be down to pay over $100 for an Alien novel. Most fans wouldn't, let alone general public.

The folio books are about £35 each. Not too bad, for what you're getting. Not sure what that equates to in dollars at the moment though.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 04, 2020, 02:08:12 PM
$45.60.

The currency app is priceless.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: The Old One on Feb 04, 2020, 02:24:25 PM
Completely worth it.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Feb 04, 2020, 03:11:12 PM
Extremely pleased with this news! Fingers crossed that the cover art is good!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2020, 03:17:26 PM
It would be a plus!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: The Old One on Feb 04, 2020, 03:26:05 PM
Yeah, but I want a good one.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: markweatherill on Feb 04, 2020, 03:38:42 PM
I hope that, at some point, a fatwa is issued against the aliens.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 08, 2020, 11:44:33 AM
Dammit I misread the original post, I thought it said 25th feb 2020 but its another year yet!  :P
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Feb 08, 2020, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 08, 2020, 11:44:33 AM
Dammit I misread the original post, I thought it said 25th feb 2020 but its another year yet!  :P
That. Would have been FAST!!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: scottsigler on Feb 14, 2020, 04:49:31 PM
Fantastic, I loved COLD FORGE.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Feb 14, 2020, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: scottsigler on Feb 14, 2020, 04:49:31 PM
Fantastic, I loved COLD FORGE.
Scott Sigler? The same Sigler who wrote "phalanx?"
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: felix on May 25, 2020, 09:37:04 PM
Amazon has its release Date as: Feb 23rd 2021

P.S - Mods please delete the other thread i created. This is the only one we need.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SM on May 25, 2020, 10:03:19 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Feb 14, 2020, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: scottsigler on Feb 14, 2020, 04:49:31 PM
Fantastic, I loved COLD FORGE.
Scott Sigler? The same Sigler who wrote "phalanx?"

The 'Author of Aliens: Phalanx' under his name didn't give it away?  ;D
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on May 25, 2020, 10:57:48 PM
Quote from: SM on May 25, 2020, 10:03:19 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Feb 14, 2020, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: scottsigler on Feb 14, 2020, 04:49:31 PM
Fantastic, I loved COLD FORGE.
Scott Sigler? The same Sigler who wrote "phalanx?"

The 'Author of Aliens: Phalanx' under his name didn't give it away?  ;D
No that didn't give it away, because I'm on my phone and it doesn't show anything under his name :-) but hey, I have my answer now, so thank you!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on May 26, 2020, 12:01:39 AM
SM is ... wrong ?

Where's my revolver ?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 29, 2020, 11:02:56 PM
https://twitter.com/alexrwhite/status/1266440180753469440
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on May 29, 2020, 11:35:30 PM
That's pretty cool
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 30, 2020, 10:35:47 AM
Alien: Renaissance.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on May 30, 2020, 04:36:17 PM
Apparently Charybdis is pronounced with a "k" sound at the beginning...
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 04, 2020, 01:45:55 AM
https://twitter.com/alexrwhite/status/1279228494073999362
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Jul 04, 2020, 04:48:15 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 04, 2020, 01:45:55 AM
https://twitter.com/alexrwhite/status/1279228494073999362

Hmm, I wonder if Alex is bringing Marcus back? or something new? Or maybe both?

Excited to find out!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2020, 02:31:56 PM
The laws of robotics are firmly planted in the series since Aliens with the speech Bishop gives to Ripley.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 04, 2020, 02:34:29 PM
Yep. Which makes sense, given the Alien universe's very dystopian outlook on a corporate-ruled, capitalist future where even humans are completely expendable if they interfere with the Comapny's potential growth.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Jul 04, 2020, 02:41:29 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2020, 02:31:56 PM
The laws of robotics are firmly planted in the series since Aliens with the speech Bishop gives to Ripley.

Yea I think Alex is recognizing that. Perhaps what Alex means by "but no others" is some other book(s) they're currently writing, unrelated to Alien.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 04, 2020, 02:47:48 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 04, 2020, 02:41:29 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2020, 02:31:56 PM
The laws of robotics are firmly planted in the series since Aliens with the speech Bishop gives to Ripley.

Yea I think Alex is recognizing that. Perhaps what Alex means by "but no others" is some other book(s) they're currently writing, unrelated to Alien.

Yup that is exactly what they meant.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 24, 2020, 07:46:46 PM
https://twitter.com/alexrwhite/status/1297983193375809539

Fun thread :D
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 24, 2020, 10:32:24 PM
Metric superiority.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 25, 2020, 05:19:02 AM
Probably because Titan is British.  :laugh: That's hilarious.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Wweyland on Aug 25, 2020, 09:11:25 AM
Humanity truly is lost if the Imperial System is still used in the future.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2020, 09:56:42 AM
I had this conversation with Titan one year and three days ago and recommended metric based on the most popular flicks using it.

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 30, 2020, 09:49:02 PM
https://twitter.com/alexrwhite/status/1311406416939438085

https://twitter.com/alexrwhite/status/1311407619882520582
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Miguel on Oct 22, 2020, 09:46:25 PM
The novel appears to have been delayed until February 22, 2022. Does anyone know why?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SM on Oct 22, 2020, 09:52:26 PM
Global plague I would imagine.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 22, 2020, 09:55:41 PM
Hmmm, it shows February 23, 2021 on US Amazon. And it is listed as a hardcover release, which is very cool.

EDIT: Just found a second listing for a paperback version with that February 22, 2022 date. Could potentially mean that they're releasing the paperback approximately a year after the hardcover, which isn't really out of the ordinary for hardcover/paperback release schedules of books.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Miguel on Oct 22, 2020, 10:01:44 PM
I've seen the info in the AvP Fandom, but I haven't seen any official info from Titan Books or Alex White.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 29, 2020, 03:31:43 PM
The Amazon pages for the hardcover and paperback versions have been merged, with the hardcover listing retaining the originally announced February 2021 release date, and the paperback retaining February 2022 release date mentioned above. Looks like the plan is indeed that we will be getting the hardcover release next year and then stagger the paperback release afterwards.

February is only four months away (holy shit, February is only four months away...), so hopefully we get a cover or something revealed soon. 
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Nov 30, 2020, 02:08:43 AM
560 pages! That's longer than "Phalanx" which had 512.

https://titanbooks.com/70416-alien-alien-into-charybdis/ (https://titanbooks.com/70416-alien-alien-into-charybdis/)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: skhellter on Nov 30, 2020, 05:45:26 AM
(please give it a good cover.. please give it a good cover...)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 06:52:27 AM
no
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 30, 2020, 06:58:59 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 30, 2020, 05:45:26 AM
(please give it a good cover.. please give it a good cover...)


It will be this, but green.


Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: felix on Nov 30, 2020, 07:06:33 AM
I never buy hardcovers though. They are too expensive.

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 30, 2020, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Nov 30, 2020, 02:08:43 AM560 pages! That's longer than "Phalanx" which had 512.

I hope fully 25% of that is the villain being a delectable prick.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Nov 30, 2020, 01:04:48 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 30, 2020, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Nov 30, 2020, 02:08:43 AM560 pages! That's longer than "Phalanx" which had 512.

I hope fully 25% of that is the villain being a delectable prick.

Please.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Nov 30, 2020, 11:58:27 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 30, 2020, 06:58:59 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 30, 2020, 05:45:26 AM
(please give it a good cover.. please give it a good cover...)

Come on!  At least give us the one with 5 dorsal fins!
It will be this, but green.


https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91Oz9gDnyhL.jpg
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 07, 2020, 05:19:34 PM
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 05:21:15 PM
:o

f**king finally.

I mean it's not the best but at least it's not a f**king ACM screenshot jobby.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 07, 2020, 05:24:52 PM
Art by Marco Turini.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Dec 07, 2020, 05:55:50 PM
Looks like pure gold compared to the previous covers! Thank you Titan!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 07, 2020, 06:01:42 PM
Now that's a cool cover! 👏
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 07, 2020, 06:21:01 PM
They've heard the fans  :o!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Gentleman Death on Dec 07, 2020, 06:59:28 PM
Looks great! Gonna pre order my copy from Amazon soon...
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 07:53:30 PM
Wow, a Titan cover that's not terrible. :D

Can't wait for this.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 07, 2020, 08:00:02 PM
I'm hoping this is the start of a new trend for Titan! We should be having the exclusive cover reveal of Infiltrator this week too, so will see if that's something new too!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 08:02:18 PM
Noice.

When has that been put back to again?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 07, 2020, 08:07:16 PM
April.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 08:10:13 PM
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Dec 07, 2020, 10:24:42 PM
Now give us a hardcover printing of Cold Forge with an equally good cover.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 07, 2020, 10:39:23 PM
Man, they might've listened to the fans, but it doesn't mean they gonna do everything you want  ;D
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 07, 2020, 10:43:12 PM
My Alien books are gonna be so awkward on the shelf - mass market paperback The Cold Forge, then the larger full sized paperback Phalanx, then hardcover Into Charybdis. :D
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: felix on Dec 07, 2020, 10:44:37 PM
Cover is up.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 07, 2020, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 30, 2020, 05:45:26 AM
(please give it a good cover.. please give it a good cover...)

Quote from: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 06:52:27 AM
no


I eat my words
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Stitch on Dec 07, 2020, 11:44:31 PM
Are they supposed to be gigantic aliens or is the scale completely off?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 08, 2020, 01:02:57 AM
Alien:  Into Niagara Falls.

Actually looks not bad.  Better than the recycling we've been getting.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Gentleman Death on Dec 08, 2020, 03:13:17 AM
On Titans website it says the book will have 560 pages and on Amazon it says 340...
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: P1NK8C1DBOOTS on Dec 08, 2020, 12:41:10 PM
Soooo excited for this and I'm digging the art work 👍
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 08, 2020, 01:33:22 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 08, 2020, 01:02:57 AM
Alien:  Into Niagara Falls.

Actually looks not bad.  Better than the recycling we've been getting.

Charybdis is a whirlpool from the Odyssey (hence the art) and is pronounced ka-rib-dis.

But I'm so pleased that Titan is actually hiring artists for cover art!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Miguel on Dec 08, 2020, 01:35:46 PM
Quote from: Gentleman Death on Dec 08, 2020, 03:13:17 AM
On Titans website it says the book will have 560 pages and on Amazon it says 340...

It could be two possibilities:

1) One of the two websites is wrong (I would trust Titan Books itself more).

2) One refers to the hardcover edition and the other refers to the paperback edition.

EDIT: I think I remember Alex White mentioned the highest figure (although I don't remember where I read it).
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Dec 08, 2020, 01:43:04 PM
So, is story gonna take place in some watery setting ? There's potential for some neat visuals. Alien coming out of waterfall or with droplets on its head, blood mixing with water etc. I know it's in words but I remember not having trouble imagining how Cold Forge looks
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 08, 2020, 03:38:17 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 08, 2020, 01:33:22 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 08, 2020, 01:02:57 AM
Alien:  Into Niagara Falls.

Actually looks not bad.  Better than the recycling we've been getting.

Charybdis is a whirlpool from the Odyssey (hence the art) and is pronounced ka-rib-dis.

But I'm so pleased that Titan is actually hiring artists for cover art!

I know.  Just living near Niagara Falls reminded me of it visually.  It's not a bad cover.  I like the use of blue.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 08, 2020, 06:53:12 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Dec 07, 2020, 11:44:31 PM
Are they supposed to be gigantic aliens or is the scale completely off?

It's still not great in general. But compared to the usual Titan "efforts" it's a masterpiece.


Quote from: Kradan on Dec 08, 2020, 01:43:04 PM
So, is story gonna take place in some watery setting ? There's potential for some neat visuals. Alien coming out of waterfall or with droplets on its head, blood mixing with water etc. I know it's in words but I remember not having trouble imagining how Cold Forge looks

Charybdis certainly implies that.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2020, 08:21:03 AM
https://forbiddenplanet.com/311430-alien-into-charybdis-signed-hardcover/

Signed copies available in the UK.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Dec 23, 2020, 08:48:23 AM
There are two hardcovers listed that are signed.

One for January release, that Hicks has listed.

And a second for February.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 31, 2020, 12:26:23 PM
Preordered a Hard Cover copy! We got this coming February, new Comic in March, and Infiltrator in April! Lots of new content to look forward to just the way I like it!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BryanThomasS on Jan 08, 2021, 05:00:04 AM
QuoteIt's not available to pre-order through Amazon yet, but it is being listed for <a href="https://forbiddenplanet.com/297273-alien-into-charybdis/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">pre-order on Forbidden Planet in the UK</a>!</p>
. Titan owns Forbidden Planet. Hence, the preorders.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 23, 2021, 05:39:48 AM
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 06, 2021, 08:43:59 PM
No previews of this available yet?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Engineer on Feb 07, 2021, 04:18:13 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Feb 06, 2021, 08:43:59 PM
No previews of this available yet?

I'm not seeing any previews yet, but Alex recently did an interview at Studio Yutani and the topic was "the cold forge" and "into charybdis." You can hear a little bit more about the upcoming book there. The link is below. Heads up, I'm on my phone and it's limited what I can do/see on the forums, so if that link isn't actually linking try copy/pasting into your web browser's address bar. 



Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2021, 06:27:09 AM
https://twitter.com/grimdark_dad/status/1359634741578911745
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2021, 10:54:42 AM
I'm not seeing a paperback listing for this on Amazon.

Assuming they're just leaving a delay between the hardcover and the paperback?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Feb 11, 2021, 12:48:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2021, 06:27:09 AM
https://twitter.com/grimdark_dad/status/1359634741578911745

#Jealous  :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Miguel on Feb 11, 2021, 02:18:01 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2021, 10:54:42 AM
I'm not seeing a paperback listing for this on Amazon.

Assuming they're just leaving a delay between the hardcover and the paperback?

Same question.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Feb 11, 2021, 02:51:11 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2021, 10:54:42 AM
I'm not seeing a paperback listing for this on Amazon.

Assuming they're just leaving a delay between the hardcover and the paperback?

In the US Amazon has the paperback listed as February 22, 2022... so a year later.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 14, 2021, 09:33:41 PM
hardback 4 lyfe
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Katanu on Feb 15, 2021, 12:03:24 AM
I'm actually pleased with the cover art. It's been awhile I could say that for an Alien novel.
That being said, can't wait to read this one, loved Cold Forge.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Stitch on Feb 15, 2021, 01:57:41 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Feb 11, 2021, 02:51:11 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2021, 10:54:42 AM
I'm not seeing a paperback listing for this on Amazon.

Assuming they're just leaving a delay between the hardcover and the paperback?

In the US Amazon has the paperback listed as February 22, 2022... so a year later.
Oh that's disappointing. Hardback is fine, but all my other Alien novels are paperback and I'd prefer to keep them all the same type on my bookshelf.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 15, 2021, 04:09:50 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 14, 2021, 09:33:41 PM
hardback 4 lyfe

Even if they don't match?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 16, 2021, 09:29:07 AM
My signed copy from Forbidden Planet is shipping today.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 16, 2021, 09:32:24 AM
You, lucky bastard  ;D
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 16, 2021, 09:34:21 AM
I just got a shipping notice for FP for my signed copy.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Katanu on Feb 17, 2021, 11:58:48 AM
I'll probably only get mine next month  :'(
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 17, 2021, 12:02:31 PM
I'm probably gonna wait for the paperback because having books in a series of all different sizes on my shelf really grinds my shit :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 17, 2021, 05:04:32 PM
They should just re-release Alien The Cold Forge in Hardback with a good cover, to go with Alien Into Charybdis, oh and do the same for Aliens Phalanx.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Engineer on Feb 17, 2021, 06:32:08 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 17, 2021, 05:04:32 PM
They should just re-release Alien The Cold Forge in Hardback with a good cover, to go with Alien Into Charybdis, oh and do the same for Aliens Phalanx.
Phalanx did get a hard cover release (but the cover art was still pretty bad)

I'd love it if the cold forge got a hard cover re-release too


Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 17, 2021, 12:02:31 PM
I'm probably gonna wait for the paperback because having books in a series of all different sizes on my shelf really grinds my shit :laugh:

Get them both! Lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Katanu on Feb 17, 2021, 09:44:30 PM
Well, the hardcover will go just fine with the hardcovers of Alien Echo and Bug Hunt, with the paperbacks following after. Personally I don't mind it.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 17, 2021, 09:48:30 PM
Reeeeeee bug hunt doesn't deserve to be hardback.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Katanu on Feb 17, 2021, 09:52:11 PM
Yeah, it's not very good. Predator: If it Bleeds did deserve a hardcover, but it didn't get one  :'(
I'm hoping the new AvP anthology will have a hardcover release along with a paperback one to keep everyone happy.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Feb 17, 2021, 11:42:20 PM
Quote from: Katanu on Feb 17, 2021, 09:52:11 PM
Yeah, it's not very good. Predator: If it Bleeds did deserve a hardcover, but it didn't get one  :'(
I'm hoping the new AvP anthology will have a hardcover release along with a paperback one to keep everyone happy.

Now THAT has always bugged the hell out of me!! "Predator: If it bleeds" should have been hard cover too!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 18, 2021, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: Katanu on Feb 17, 2021, 09:44:30 PMWell, the hardcover will go just fine with the hardcover of Alien Echo

Still waiting on a paperback of that an' all :laugh:

The only one I'd actively like to get in hardback is Cold Forge because it rocks my world, but a) it didn't get one and b) they'd need to change that f**king cover.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 18, 2021, 05:11:09 PM
Mine has arrived. Nice book.

Damn thing is shorter than my over hardcovers though lol.

Nice having Alex's Signature inside it though. Can not wait to tuck in
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 18, 2021, 06:14:53 PM
How many pages? It is longer than Phalanx?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 18, 2021, 06:38:03 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Feb 18, 2021, 06:14:53 PM
How many pages? It is longer than Phalanx?

545
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 18, 2021, 07:22:48 PM
cool. Thanks
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Feb 18, 2021, 08:46:23 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 18, 2021, 05:11:09 PM
Mine has arrived. Nice book.

Damn thing is shorter than my over hardcovers though lol.

Nice having Alex's Signature inside it though. Can not wait to tuck in

That's awesome Russ! Surprised (and jealous lol) that you received it before the release date!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 18, 2021, 09:12:28 PM
Just ordered my own signed copy.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 18, 2021, 10:33:49 PM
Just one copy?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 18, 2021, 10:59:26 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 18, 2021, 08:46:23 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 18, 2021, 05:11:09 PM
Mine has arrived. Nice book.

Damn thing is shorter than my over hardcovers though lol.

Nice having Alex's Signature inside it though. Can not wait to tuck in

That's awesome Russ! Surprised (and jealous lol) that you received it before the release date!

I was surprised it's here so soon. Super excited to get into it.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2021, 05:14:31 PM
My copy arrived! But it's for display only. Hope my review copy shows up soon.  :-\
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2021, 06:13:16 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2021, 05:14:31 PM
My copy arrived! But it's for display only. Hope my review copy shows up soon.  :-\

What about a digital copy?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 19, 2021, 10:21:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2021, 05:14:31 PM
My copy arrived! But it's for display only. Hope my review copy shows up soon.  :-\


To keep it mint ?


Loving it so far,

White just gets the Alien universe.  Only a little way in but it just feels like I'm reading authentic Alien.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Feb 20, 2021, 06:49:00 AM
Time to press "Ignore topic" button to avoid further spoilers
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2021, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 19, 2021, 10:21:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2021, 05:14:31 PM
My copy arrived! But it's for display only. Hope my review copy shows up soon.  :-\


To keep it mint ?

Precisely. I like to keep my autographed copies as in good nick as possible. Unfortunately the book is too fat to fit on the little acrylic displays I have so I need to find a bigger one.  :laugh:

Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2021, 06:13:16 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2021, 05:14:31 PM
My copy arrived! But it's for display only. Hope my review copy shows up soon.  :-\

What about a digital copy?

Sure, if it takes too long to arrive. I'm too impatient. But I'll swap over as soon as it shows up. And honestly, I've been buying the Kindle versions anyway - just easier to search through when I'm writing articles.


Oh, and we made it onto the back as "Praise For The Cold Forge."  ;D

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2021, 05:40:27 PM
Who actually wrote that?  Was it you or someone else on the AvPG site staff?  I realize the name of the site carries more weight for the purpose of a review quote, but it's too bad the actual reviewer didn't get named as well.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2021, 05:59:49 PM
Twas me.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2021, 06:52:16 PM
And it's the top quote.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2021, 03:29:40 PM
Certainly was! Just a nice little feather in the site's cap. :)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 21, 2021, 03:38:48 PM
Publishers quoting Hicks on their book covers now?

At this rate he'll soon be as famous as that legendary, distant ancestor of his.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Katanu on Feb 21, 2021, 09:52:22 PM
There's also the Aaron Percival in the Rage War trilogy    :D
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 21, 2021, 09:56:54 PM
And one in Alien The RPG.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Gentleman Death on Feb 22, 2021, 12:15:15 AM
When should we expect any reviews?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 22, 2021, 12:18:01 AM
They should have an SM review too, but instead of a quote it can be a shovel to indicate that he dug it.

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 22, 2021, 09:20:08 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2021, 11:44:13 AM

Precisely. I like to keep my autographed copies as in good nick as possible. Unfortunately the book is too fat to fit on the little acrylic displays I have so I need to find a bigger one.  :laugh:

Dude, you are of strong will to hold off while you have a copy to hand lol.

Only around 100 pages in so far but really digging it.

Some excellent character work in here.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 22, 2021, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: Katanu on Feb 21, 2021, 09:52:22 PM
There's also the Aaron Percival in the Rage War trilogy    :D

Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 21, 2021, 09:56:54 PM
And one in Alien The RPG.

He really deserves a knighthood for his services to the Alien Queen and Country. "Sir" Percival really has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?  :P

Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 22, 2021, 12:18:01 AM
They should have an SM review too, but instead of a quote it can be a shovel to indicate that he dug it.

http://i.imgur.com/hPHVBPp.png

I remember back when he got ACM, he took a shovel and buried it out in the Outback (Atari ET style).

He really dug that game.




Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SiL on Feb 22, 2021, 08:54:30 PM
We haven't been allowed to dump nuclear waste out there for decades
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 22, 2021, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 22, 2021, 05:30:52 PM
He really deserves a knighthood for his services to the Alien Queen and Country. "Sir" Percival really has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?  :P

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 22, 2021, 09:17:36 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 22, 2021, 05:30:52 PM
I remember back when he got ACM, he took a shovel and buried it out in the Outback (Atari ET style).

He really dug that game.

#HicksLives!

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 22, 2021, 09:23:24 PM
Turk, truly a hero.

Cpl Hicks? Ain't shit, couldn't even save Ripley or Newt, what a chode lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2021, 06:32:43 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 22, 2021, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: Katanu on Feb 21, 2021, 09:52:22 PM
There's also the Aaron Percival in the Rage War trilogy    :D

Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 21, 2021, 09:56:54 PM
And one in Alien The RPG.

He really deserves a knighthood for his services to the Alien Queen and Country. "Sir" Percival really has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?  :P

I feel like someone has been brushing up on his Arthurian legend recently and wants to show off.  :laugh:

That said, there are a few familiar names in Charybdis...


Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 22, 2021, 09:20:08 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2021, 11:44:13 AM

Precisely. I like to keep my autographed copies as in good nick as possible. Unfortunately the book is too fat to fit on the little acrylic displays I have so I need to find a bigger one.  :laugh:

Dude, you are of strong will to hold off while you have a copy to hand lol.

Only around 100 pages in so far but really digging it.

Some excellent character work in here.

I did pre-purchase the Audible but it doesn't unlock until I'm at work apparently. Still no sign of my other copy.  :'(

Uk release has been pushed back to until March 16th btw. It should be out in the States now.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2021, 09:03:47 AM
It's occurring to me (I'm slow) that waiting for the paperback is going to mean me sitting here for months having not read the story, so in all likelihood I'll be getting the hardback after all :laugh:

And in all likelihood it'll be signed, if they've got any left.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 23, 2021, 09:12:33 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2021, 09:03:47 AM
It's occurring to me (I'm slow) that waiting for the paperback is going to mean me sitting here for months having not read the story, so in all likelihood I'll be getting the hardback after all :laugh:

And in all likelihood it'll be signed, if they've got any left.

I think you should. Then read it quick so I can talk to someone about it lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2021, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 23, 2021, 09:12:33 AMThen read it quick so I can talk to someone about it lol

There's a reason Hicks often calls me in to sub on the novel podcasts ;)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 23, 2021, 09:14:43 AM
I'm just gunna go for the Audible. I stopped buying books a few years ago because the humidity here f**ks them and it feels like throwing money into a pit. Especially with the flashy, expensive Alien related books I've historically been so big on.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 23, 2021, 02:34:35 PM
I've started with the audible, and I must say Arserio does a decent Iranian accent imo.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 23, 2021, 03:24:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2021, 06:32:46 AM

Uk release has been pushed back to until March 16th btw. It should be out in the States now.

Good thing mine's in the mail already then.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Gentleman Death on Feb 23, 2021, 05:29:02 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 23, 2021, 03:24:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2021, 06:32:46 AM

Uk release has been pushed back to until March 16th btw. It should be out in the States now.

Yep, just waiting on good 'ol Amazon...
Good thing mine's in the mail already then.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 23, 2021, 05:36:00 PM
^quotes have seemed a bit f**ky, the last 24hrs.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Gentleman Death on Feb 23, 2021, 07:03:41 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 23, 2021, 05:36:00 PM
^quotes have seemed a bit f**ky, the last 24hrs.

Affirmative
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2021, 07:04:31 PM
My copy just arrived! Hoping to be able to start it tonight.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 23, 2021, 07:21:33 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 23, 2021, 05:36:00 PM
^quotes have seemed a bit f**ky, the last 24hrs.

f**ky?  ???
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 23, 2021, 10:09:09 PM
Busted, broken, unpredictable.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Feb 24, 2021, 05:17:06 AM
YESSS

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 24, 2021, 12:46:51 PM
Hicks, there is something in here that you are gonna like  ;)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2021, 01:15:53 PM
While I'm waiting for my copy to check out the final version, truth be told I was part of a little beta-read group on this one...so go on, throw it up in the spoilers so I know what you're talking about.  :P
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 24, 2021, 01:47:41 PM
The plot thickens...

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 24, 2021, 02:05:34 PM
Is it me or did the release date change? I could have sworn it was feburary, now its saying march.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 24, 2021, 02:16:05 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2021, 01:15:53 PM
While I'm waiting for my copy to check out the final version, truth be told I was part of a little beta-read group on this one...so go on, throw it up in the spoilers so I know what you're talking about.  :P

Spoiler
Is Lieutenant Percival a shout out to you ?
[close]
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2021, 02:30:33 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 24, 2021, 02:05:34 PM
Is it me or did the release date change? I could have sworn it was feburary, now its saying march.

March in the UK now. It's out in the States.


Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 24, 2021, 02:16:05 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2021, 01:15:53 PM
While I'm waiting for my copy to check out the final version, truth be told I was part of a little beta-read group on this one...so go on, throw it up in the spoilers so I know what you're talking about.  :P

Spoiler
Is Lieutenant Percival a shout out to you ?
[close]

It is. There's a few other peeps in there as well.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 24, 2021, 02:32:09 PM
Nice man.

This is great so far. Really enjoying it. I have so many questions that I hope are answered by the end.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 24, 2021, 02:36:49 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2021, 02:30:33 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 24, 2021, 02:05:34 PM
Is it me or did the release date change? I could have sworn it was feburary, now its saying march.

March in the UK now. It's out in the States.

Damn. I suppose a few weeks more won't hurt.

{waves hand} You want to give me your copy and then you are going to give me orange sherbert.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 24, 2021, 04:16:02 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2021, 02:30:33 PM
It is. There's a few other peeps in there as well.

Spoiler
An Admiral Passenger as well, I hope?  ;D
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 24, 2021, 04:22:58 PM
I'm trying to finish a re-read of the Cold Forge before opening mine. Will a refresh enhance one's experience of Into Charybdis so to speak, without giving anything away?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2021, 04:30:59 PM
Spoiler
Yes. Don't even want to say that much outside of spoiler tags.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Engineer on Feb 24, 2021, 05:04:53 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Feb 24, 2021, 04:22:58 PM
I'm trying to finish a re-read of the Cold Forge before opening mine. Will a refresh enhance one's experience of Into Charybdis so to speak, without giving anything away?

Yes. But it's not a requirement either. Alex has put out a few spoiler-free interviews now, and as they put it, there are references which people who've read the cold forge will see/appreciate but you'll get all the information you need to know in this book to fully appreciate this as it's own story too.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 24, 2021, 08:30:16 PM
I see. Thanks both. Looking forward to it. The Cold Forge has been as good as ever.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Engineer on Feb 24, 2021, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Feb 24, 2021, 08:30:16 PM
I see. Thanks both. Looking forward to it. The Cold Forge has been as good as ever.
No problem!!

And sorry Hicks! I didn't see your reply until just now! :-/


Also in case anyone is interested, really good (and long) interview with Alex White here about Into Charybdis (spoiler-free)



And here, it looks like there's a chance for people to win a copy of the book in North America (edit: I don't know why there's an error but the link still works if you click that, I just tried it):

https://twitter.com/dailydeadnews/status/1364627629475835906

And lastly, if you listen to that interview above, this is the bookstore Alex mentions that you can order autographed copies of any of Alex's books from (for North America/ US and Canada). Don't think there's a time limit on this either; seems like a pretty sweet arrangement Alex has worked out here!

https://www.read-it-again.com/alex-white-authors-page?fbclid=IwAR3ONyWcjGi4jq5Zw6MVS-BF88HDgj5iwNtZbyjP0637imYxR3y7vv04wV4
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 25, 2021, 08:18:57 PM
Got my copy today, cant wait to dig in!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 26, 2021, 02:38:38 AM
Got mine today too! But I'm already 8 chapters in thanks to audible.  :)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: TheDerelict on Feb 26, 2021, 07:08:10 AM
I just finished the audiobook ten minutes ago. Really interested to hear everyone's opinion about it. I think again I'm going to be in the minority. 😬
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 26, 2021, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Feb 24, 2021, 08:55:48 PM
Also in case anyone is interested, really good (and long) interview with Alex White here about Into Charybdis (spoiler-free)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqHkqRfIKx0


It is sad that this plagiarist is still getting enabled by the community. I won't be watching that interview on that channel.

19 days to go to get my copy.  :P
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 26, 2021, 10:53:16 AM
Have to be real with you, people will not stop, he's popular enough to get interviews with the creatives now. The best you can do's cite your sources on your own projects, even if that's just a mass wiki reorganization, and do that the best you can muster.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 26, 2021, 11:58:58 AM
Actually, that just might make things even worse for the plagiarist, as when you become more mainstream, you end up being under more scrutiny and bound by standards. Public naming and shaming is worse for those who have got a reputation and status to lose, especially when its built on lies and the work of others.

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 26, 2021, 12:32:26 PM
It's unfortunate that the community by and large has seemingly embraced him.



Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 26, 2021, 12:39:52 PM
Indeed, though some are probably just are not aware of his misdeeds.  A lot of plagiarists have gotten where they are based not only on the work they have stolen but also by the lack of awareness of their audience.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 26, 2021, 12:49:24 PM
Considering the amount of stuff he does not cover at all or cover correctly you're correct.

This type of channel always does, making profit by either reading the wiki article, or simply describing what happens in the piece of media with no research done.

For example I noticed a video the other day that covers the Neomorph but does not even give us the full lifecycle because that requires research such as citing Alien The RPG.

It's an epidemic of willful ignorance.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Engineer on Feb 26, 2021, 07:24:19 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 26, 2021, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Feb 24, 2021, 08:55:48 PM
Also in case anyone is interested, really good (and long) interview with Alex White here about Into Charybdis (spoiler-free)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqHkqRfIKx0


It is sad that this plagiarist is still getting enabled by the community. I won't be watching that interview on that channel.

19 days to go to get my copy.  :P

Ouch! Honestly didn't know about the plagiarism here.
I don't usually listen to these sorts of things; seems like a waste to hear people talk about what I already know about. I usually just stick with avpgalaxy and strange shapes.

On the plus side, this being an interview with the author, there wasn't anything to be plagiarized!! Lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 26, 2021, 07:30:18 PM
Just got my copy,
first though a bit of whining as I am want to do:

Stop advertising actual garbage in the presence of written art such as novels with but not limited to:

"It was all a dream essentially." 
A blonde Amanda Ripley and purple Working Joes.
"I am Ellen Ripley's psychic (somehow) descendant (somehow) Xenomorphs fear my blood!"

Otherwise on a presentation level it's a vast improvement on previous novels.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Feb 26, 2021, 09:23:46 PM
For those of you listening to the audiobook
This is the map from inside the first few pages of the book. Should help with visualizing the facility

https://twitter.com/alexwhitebooks/status/1365103529334038532

Edit: again, I dunno why the weird error, but the link works lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 26, 2021, 09:29:14 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Feb 26, 2021, 09:23:46 PM
Edit: again, I dunno why the weird error, but the link works lol

You must delete the "?s=21" part of the link.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Feb 26, 2021, 09:33:36 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 26, 2021, 09:29:14 PM
You must delete the "?s=21" part of the link.

Ah! Thank you for that! :-)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 26, 2021, 09:35:06 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Feb 26, 2021, 09:33:36 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 26, 2021, 09:29:14 PM
You must delete the "?s=21" part of the link.

Ah! Thank you for that! :-)

You're welcome  ;D
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2021, 11:39:13 AM
So I caved, ordered a signed copy and it arrived today. A few chapters in. As if it wasn't obvious enough already from Cold Forge, the author really gets Alien.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 27, 2021, 08:53:30 PM
Agreed. Im around 100 pages in and it's all very intriguing so far.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 27, 2021, 10:13:10 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2021, 11:39:13 AM
So I caved, ordered a signed copy and it arrived today. A few chapters in. As if it wasn't obvious enough already from Cold Forge, the author really gets Alien.

It feels so authentic.

So much I wanna talk about with everyone.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Gentleman Death on Feb 27, 2021, 10:35:35 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Feb 27, 2021, 10:13:10 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2021, 11:39:13 AM
So I caved, ordered a signed copy and it arrived today. A few chapters in. As if it wasn't obvious enough already from Cold Forge, the author really gets Alien.

It feels so authentic.

So much I wanna talk about with everyone.

Maybe a spoiler thread for those who've finished?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2021, 10:40:43 PM
How does it compare to TCF?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Feb 27, 2021, 11:31:03 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2021, 10:40:43 PM
How does it compare to TCF?

Very different from TCF but still strong character development and interesting/complex characters.

I loved it right off the bat; but with time, after digesting everything that happened some more, I find myself loving it more. Honestly I'm not sure which I liked better, TCF or into charybdis.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 28, 2021, 12:52:22 AM
I'm about 150 pages into this so far and very into it. 8)

EDIT: Make that 200 pages, and though I'm not nearly at the halfway mark yet, I am far enough in to say that this is absolutely living up to the standard that Alex White had set with The Cold Forge.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 28, 2021, 03:43:49 PM
Page 240... Harsh! 😅
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 28, 2021, 04:37:05 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 28, 2021, 12:52:22 AM
I'm about 150 pages into this so far and very into it. 8)

EDIT: Make that 200 pages, and though I'm not nearly at the halfway mark yet, I am far enough in to say that this is absolutely living up to the standard that Alex White had set with The Cold Forge.

Agreed.  420 pages in and not wanting to get to the end but really excited for the resolutions
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2021, 06:56:02 PM
I want to get this but I much prefer getting paperbacks. :(
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 28, 2021, 07:12:29 PM
About two-thirds of the way through and people are spot on saying it's a very different beast to Cold Forge. In every way that felt like something of a revelation in this series, in a lot of ways this recalls the oldschool Alien books... but combined with the excellent prose and character work of White's previous book. It's great.

This is very spoiler but for anyone who's past the halfway point:
Spoiler
HOLY SHIT I DID NOT SEE SHY'S DEATH COMING!
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Feb 28, 2021, 07:40:41 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 28, 2021, 07:12:29 PM
About two-thirds of the way through and people are spot on saying it's a very different beast to Cold Forge. In every way that felt like something of a revelation in this series, in a lot of ways this recalls the oldschool Alien books... but combined with the excellent prose and character work of White's previous book. It's great.

This is very spoiler but for anyone who's past the halfway point:
Spoiler
HOLY SHIT I DID NOT SEE SHY'S DEATH COMING!
[close]

Lol. Man.
Spoiler
How good is it not knowing who is going to survive.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 28, 2021, 08:01:05 PM
Spoiler
Right? I got a bit of that from Kamran's mate gong into the maelstrom in chapter two, but f**k me I didn't see Shy going out like that!
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Feb 28, 2021, 08:34:04 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 28, 2021, 07:12:29 PM
About two-thirds of the way through and people are spot on saying it's a very different beast to Cold Forge. In every way that felt like something of a revelation in this series, in a lot of ways this recalls the oldschool Alien books... but combined with the excellent prose and character work of White's previous book. It's great.

This is very spoiler but for anyone who's past the halfway point:
Spoiler
HOLY SHIT I DID NOT SEE SHY'S DEATH COMING!
[close]

Spoiler
I know! That shit hit me hard too!
[close]
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Vrastal on Mar 01, 2021, 12:12:27 AM
No spoiler thread yet so ill just throw in my thoughts here.

To start i didn't like cold forge very much. It was well written butni didnt like any of the main characters. None of the characters gave me a reason to like them in cold forge.

This carries on in Into Charybdis. Most of the characters are just terrible people or slightly worse than the average person. I dont want or expect perfect people but the negative traits in the characters overshadows any good they might have.

I didnt find myself rooting for any of the main "good" characters very much. I felt a bit disappointed with a few characters resolutions but didnt get excited or hopeful for any of the main cast

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 12:25:42 AM
Alex White's just honest. I found myself rooting for Blue Marsalis in spite of their selfish motivation. I hope I find someone to gravitate towards in this.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 01, 2021, 12:32:40 AM
When can we expect your comprehensive review?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 12:54:44 AM
Real life stuff being invasive right now but I hope.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Vrastal on Mar 01, 2021, 02:39:00 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 01, 2021, 12:25:42 AM
Alex White's just honest. I found myself rooting for Blue Marsalis in spite of their selfish motivation. I hope I find someone to gravitate towards in this.

I can get that but a lot of the characters didnt have many if any positive qualities, between being delusionally narcissistic, vile, greedy, or just repulsive. i could understand the characters but i didnt care what happened to most of them. And
Spoiler
Dorians death wasnt even satisfying
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However i will say i enjoyed this one much more than cold forge. it had some interesting developments and had characters i had more interest in
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 01, 2021, 02:42:33 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 01, 2021, 12:54:44 AM
Real life stuff being invasive right now but I hope.

Sounds like my life. With the difference that I don't have the book   :'(
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 03:56:32 AM
Highly recommended.

https://youtu.be/rovgPMcqxRI
https://youtu.be/0aDelmvw_ac
https://youtu.be/xVqIOZxtAfs
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: AnthaiHero on Mar 01, 2021, 07:38:21 AM
Just finished the audiobook. Wish I had the map as things got a little confusing. May give it another listen. Overall, much different than TCF, but still very enjoyable. As some mentioned, not the strongest characters. Each character seemed to be on equal footing in regards to depth.

The Easter eggs and throwbacks were a nice touch, not too excessive.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 09:11:07 AM
Quote from: AnthaiHero on Mar 01, 2021, 07:38:21 AMThe Easter eggs and throwbacks were a nice touch, not too excessive.

A couple of the reused lines of dialogue have been a little on-the-nose, but generally all the little references are fantastic. I especially got a kick out of Balaji Imperial cigarettes (apparently we have our own Hicks to thank for that one, the big nerd).

Also, super stoked that
Spoiler
Blue is back! I was hoping she'd get a cameo, even if just a mention in passing, but she's a far more important player than that.

I'm also unduly thrilled by the return of the scientist from Alien 3, even if they spelt his name wrong (although I guess technically he was never named in the film, just one of the script drafts, so I'll give them a pass ;D)
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2021, 09:29:12 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 09:11:07 AM
Spoiler
Blue is back! I was hoping she'd get a cameo, even if just a mention in passing, but she's a far more important player than that.

I'm also unduly thrilled by the return of the scientist from Alien 3, even if they spelt his name wrong (although I guess technically he was never named in the film, just one of the script drafts, so I'll give them a pass ;D)
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That was actually a source of some discussion. It was a deliberate change because it was spelt wrong originally.

Spoiler
That wasn't an actual Japanese name, it was corrected for the book.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 09:30:47 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2021, 09:29:12 AMThat was actually a source of some discussion. It was a deliberate change because it was spelt wrong originally.

Spoiler
That wasn't an actual Japanese name, it was corrected for the book.
[close]

That thought had occurred to me, actually. Thanks for confirming.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 09:11:07 AM
Quote from: AnthaiHero on Mar 01, 2021, 07:38:21 AMThe Easter eggs and throwbacks were a nice touch, not too excessive.

A couple of the reused lines of dialogue have been a little on-the-nose, but generally all the little references are fantastic. I especially got a kick out of Balaji Imperial cigarettes (apparently we have our own Hicks to thank for that one, the big nerd).

Also, super stoked that
Spoiler
Blue is back! I was hoping she'd get a cameo, even if just a mention in passing, but she's a far more important player than that.

I'm also unduly thrilled by the return of the scientist from Alien 3, even if they spelt his name wrong (although I guess technically he was never named in the film, just one of the script drafts, so I'll give them a pass ;D)
[close]
Spoiler
There so much lore/continuity porn in it. In a good way.  I love it.
[close]
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 01, 2021, 12:09:08 PM
Actually ended up mostly using this.
https://youtu.be/rkAguCM2ZKE
Loving it so far.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 01:25:43 PM
Just finished.

Mini review
Spoiler
This is fantastic stuff. The world building, use of existing lore and characters are excellent and, in my honest opinion, along with The Cold Forge, this should be considered the gold standard when it comes to Alien novels. So f**king good.
[close]

Hicks
Spoiler
Nice to see you in the acknowledgments
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Right. Now we need two things. A hardcover re release of The Cold Forge and a third book from Alex.  :D

Alex... if you ever by chance read this post. You are the master of Alien Novel storytelling.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 01, 2021, 03:32:00 PM
Finally finished this beast of a book and boy what a ride it was! Another 10/10 for Alex White. Wonderfully realistic characters and dialogues, absolute twisted horror and action, as well as brilliantly utilizing concepts from the prequels in such an effective and seamless manner! This and "Cold Forge" are the type of stories I've always wanted and imagined happening after "Aliens" and "A3" and I'm so glad we got such an amazing writer to deliver twice for us!


Also cool seeing the AVPG shout out on the back cover and Hicks' government name in the Acknowledgments and beyond! Your a legend Hicks!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 06:41:47 PM
Also finished it today. As others have said, a cracking read and a lot of fun.

It's interesting that White mentioned in interviews around the release of The Cold Forge that he envisioned two versions of that book - one in the vein of Alien and another more in line with Aliens. That novel ended up aping the tone of the first movie, but this one is absolutely more Aliens in style. I'm not sure it quite captured the same feeling of supreme sophistication as Cold Forge for me, but in its place is a far greater sense of unbridled fun (albeit still with plenty of sophisticated - and indeed dark - moments).

Setting the story on an Iranian rather than just another American colony brought a lot to the story, as well as a refreshing sense of originality; while I can't personally speak to the veracity of all the Iranian details, it certainly felt pretty genuine to me. And I also have to give mention to the colony itself - possibly the most interesting and arresting interstellar location from any Alien story.

Now for the spoilery stuff:
Spoiler
  • White certainly isn't precious about his characters :laugh: As if Shy dying halfway through didn't f**k me up enough, Becker didn't make it to the end either, and Blue is seemingly dead too. All of those were shocking, although the latter admittedly leaves clear scope for her to return.
  • Speaking of Blue, not only is it great to have her back, I thought what White did with her was really interesting. The stuff about her being reduced to a disembodied head and a bunch of machines was truly harrowing, while her transformation into an Alien both opened up some really interesting doors and recalled some of the Xeno-synth fun of the oldschool comics.
  • Matsushita and Duncan's deaths were f**king bitchin'.
  • While I'm on the villains, I liked that Duncan was a lot more straightforward than Dorian Sudler. Dorian was such a tour de force character, I doubt White could've matched him and wisely didn't even try. Duncan may be less nuanced but she's still a great foil, especially when she really goes off the rails towards the end.
  • How awesome was it to finally see a Dropship tearing shit up with its nosegun?
  • That epilogue was surprisingly dark. I wonder if White has any tentative ideas for a follow-up?
[close]

So yeah. At a push, I'd say I marginally preferred Cold Forge - I honestly rank that alongside the first three movies, whereas I don't think I'd go quite that far with this one - but it's absolutely another winner from White and I recommend it 110%.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 06:41:47 PM
Also finished it today. As others have said, a cracking read and a lot of fun.

It's interesting that White mentioned in interviews around the release of The Cold Forge that he envisioned two versions of that book - one in the vein of Alien and another more in line with Aliens. That novel ended up aping the tone of the first movie, but this one is absolutely more Aliens in style. I'm not sure it quite captured the same feeling of supreme sophistication as Cold Forge for me, but in its place is a far greater sense of unbridled fun (albeit still with plenty of sophisticated - and indeed dark - moments).

Setting the story on an Iranian rather than just another American colony brought a lot to the story, as well as a refreshing sense of originality; while I can't personally speak to the veracity of all the Iranian details, it certainly felt pretty genuine to me. And I also have to give mention to the colony itself - possibly the most interesting and arresting interstellar location from any Alien story.

Now for the spoilery stuff:
Spoiler
  • White certainly isn't precious about his characters :laugh: As if Shy dying halfway through didn't f**k me up enough, Becker didn't make it to the end either, and Blue is seemingly dead too. All of those were shocking, although the latter admittedly leaves clear scope for her to return.
  • Speaking of Blue, not only is it great to have her back, I thought what White did with her was really interesting. The stuff about her being reduced to a disembodied head and a bunch of machines was truly harrowing, while her transformation into an Alien both opened up some really interesting doors and recalled some of the Xeno-synth fun of the oldschool comics.
  • Matsushita and Duncan's deaths were f**king bitchin'.
  • While I'm on the villains, I liked that Duncan was a lot more straightforward than Dorian Sudler. Dorian was such a tour de force character, I doubt White could've matched him and wisely didn't even try. Duncan may be less nuanced but she's still a great foil, especially when she really goes off the rails towards the end.
  • How awesome was it to finally see a Dropship tearing shit up with its nosegun?
  • That epilogue was surprisingly dark. I wonder if White has any tentative ideas for a follow-up?
[close]

So yeah. At a push, I'd say I marginally preferred Cold Forge - I honestly rank that alongside the first three movies, whereas I don't think I'd go quite that far with this one - but it's absolutely another winner from White and I recommend it 110%.

Spoiler
I loved Matsushita's death. So brutal. Would you say the Duncan gave birth to Neomorphs?
[close]
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 01, 2021, 07:27:30 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 06:41:47 PM
Also finished it today. As others have said, a cracking read and a lot of fun.

It's interesting that White mentioned in interviews around the release of The Cold Forge that he envisioned two versions of that book - one in the vein of Alien and another more in line with Aliens. That novel ended up aping the tone of the first movie, but this one is absolutely more Aliens in style. I'm not sure it quite captured the same feeling of supreme sophistication as Cold Forge for me, but in its place is a far greater sense of unbridled fun (albeit still with plenty of sophisticated - and indeed dark - moments).

Setting the story on an Iranian rather than just another American colony brought a lot to the story, as well as a refreshing sense of originality; while I can't personally speak to the veracity of all the Iranian details, it certainly felt pretty genuine to me. And I also have to give mention to the colony itself - possibly the most interesting and arresting interstellar location from any Alien story.

Now for the spoilery stuff:
Spoiler
  • White certainly isn't precious about his characters :laugh: As if Shy dying halfway through didn't f**k me up enough, Becker didn't make it to the end either, and Blue is seemingly dead too. All of those were shocking, although the latter admittedly leaves clear scope for her to return.
  • Speaking of Blue, not only is it great to have her back, I thought what White did with her was really interesting. The stuff about her being reduced to a disembodied head and a bunch of machines was truly harrowing, while her transformation into an Alien both opened up some really interesting doors and recalled some of the Xeno-synth fun of the oldschool comics.
  • Matsushita and Duncan's deaths were f**king bitchin'.
  • While I'm on the villains, I liked that Duncan was a lot more straightforward than Dorian Sudler. Dorian was such a tour de force character, I doubt White could've matched him and wisely didn't even try. Duncan may be less nuanced but she's still a great foil, especially when she really goes off the rails towards the end.
  • How awesome was it to finally see a Dropship tearing shit up with its nosegun?
  • That epilogue was surprisingly dark. I wonder if White has any tentative ideas for a follow-up?
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So yeah. At a push, I'd say I marginally preferred Cold Forge - I honestly rank that alongside the first three movies, whereas I don't think I'd go quite that far with this one - but it's absolutely another winner from White and I recommend it 110%.

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I loved Matsushita's death. So brutal. Would you say the Duncan gave birth to Neomorphs?
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Pretty sure it was definitely Neomorphs which was f**king awesome. I personally thought Duncan was a fantastic antagonist and seemed modeled after that psycho Navy Seal that Trump pardoned in 2019. Actually, while reading it seemed that a lot of current events seemed to influence the narrative which made the story all the more realistic in my opinion.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 07:33:10 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 01, 2021, 07:27:30 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 06:41:47 PM
Also finished it today. As others have said, a cracking read and a lot of fun.

It's interesting that White mentioned in interviews around the release of The Cold Forge that he envisioned two versions of that book - one in the vein of Alien and another more in line with Aliens. That novel ended up aping the tone of the first movie, but this one is absolutely more Aliens in style. I'm not sure it quite captured the same feeling of supreme sophistication as Cold Forge for me, but in its place is a far greater sense of unbridled fun (albeit still with plenty of sophisticated - and indeed dark - moments).

Setting the story on an Iranian rather than just another American colony brought a lot to the story, as well as a refreshing sense of originality; while I can't personally speak to the veracity of all the Iranian details, it certainly felt pretty genuine to me. And I also have to give mention to the colony itself - possibly the most interesting and arresting interstellar location from any Alien story.

Now for the spoilery stuff:
Spoiler
  • White certainly isn't precious about his characters :laugh: As if Shy dying halfway through didn't f**k me up enough, Becker didn't make it to the end either, and Blue is seemingly dead too. All of those were shocking, although the latter admittedly leaves clear scope for her to return.
  • Speaking of Blue, not only is it great to have her back, I thought what White did with her was really interesting. The stuff about her being reduced to a disembodied head and a bunch of machines was truly harrowing, while her transformation into an Alien both opened up some really interesting doors and recalled some of the Xeno-synth fun of the oldschool comics.
  • Matsushita and Duncan's deaths were f**king bitchin'.
  • While I'm on the villains, I liked that Duncan was a lot more straightforward than Dorian Sudler. Dorian was such a tour de force character, I doubt White could've matched him and wisely didn't even try. Duncan may be less nuanced but she's still a great foil, especially when she really goes off the rails towards the end.
  • How awesome was it to finally see a Dropship tearing shit up with its nosegun?
  • That epilogue was surprisingly dark. I wonder if White has any tentative ideas for a follow-up?
[close]

So yeah. At a push, I'd say I marginally preferred Cold Forge - I honestly rank that alongside the first three movies, whereas I don't think I'd go quite that far with this one - but it's absolutely another winner from White and I recommend it 110%.

Spoiler
I loved Matsushita's death. So brutal. Would you say the Duncan gave birth to Neomorphs?
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Spoiler
Pretty sure it was definitely Neomorphs which was f**king awesome. I personally thought Duncan was a fantastic antagonist and seemed modeled after that psycho Navy Seal that Trump pardoned in 2019. Actually, while reading it seemed that a lot of current events seemed to influence the narrative which made the story all the more realistic in my opinion.
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I'd have to agree
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 07:39:55 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 07:02:10 PM
Spoiler
Would you say the Duncan gave birth to Neomorphs?
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That's definitely what I took it to be.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 08:01:17 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 07:39:55 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 07:02:10 PM
Spoiler
Would you say the Duncan gave birth to Neomorphs?
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That's definitely what I took it to be.

White really does such a great job using lore the from all over the series in interesting, natural ways. 

Spoiler
Loved the mentions of the UPP, Michael Bishop, Walter, David, Vickers. Among others. 
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I really can't say enough good about this.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 01, 2021, 08:13:52 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 06:41:47 PM
Also finished it today. As others have said, a cracking read and a lot of fun.

It's interesting that White mentioned in interviews around the release of The Cold Forge that he envisioned two versions of that book - one in the vein of Alien and another more in line with Aliens. That novel ended up aping the tone of the first movie, but this one is absolutely more Aliens in style. I'm not sure it quite captured the same feeling of supreme sophistication as Cold Forge for me, but in its place is a far greater sense of unbridled fun (albeit still with plenty of sophisticated - and indeed dark - moments).

Setting the story on an Iranian rather than just another American colony brought a lot to the story, as well as a refreshing sense of originality; while I can't personally speak to the veracity of all the Iranian details, it certainly felt pretty genuine to me. And I also have to give mention to the colony itself - possibly the most interesting and arresting interstellar location from any Alien story.

Now for the spoilery stuff:
Spoiler
  • White certainly isn't precious about his characters :laugh: As if Shy dying halfway through didn't f**k me up enough, Becker didn't make it to the end either, and Blue is seemingly dead too. All of those were shocking, although the latter admittedly leaves clear scope for her to return.
  • Speaking of Blue, not only is it great to have her back, I thought what White did with her was really interesting. The stuff about her being reduced to a disembodied head and a bunch of machines was truly harrowing, while her transformation into an Alien both opened up some really interesting doors and recalled some of the Xeno-synth fun of the oldschool comics.
  • Matsushita and Duncan's deaths were f**king bitchin'.
  • While I'm on the villains, I liked that Duncan was a lot more straightforward than Dorian Sudler. Dorian was such a tour de force character, I doubt White could've matched him and wisely didn't even try. Duncan may be less nuanced but she's still a great foil, especially when she really goes off the rails towards the end.
  • How awesome was it to finally see a Dropship tearing shit up with its nosegun?
  • That epilogue was surprisingly dark. I wonder if White has any tentative ideas for a follow-up?
[close]

So yeah. At a push, I'd say I marginally preferred Cold Forge - I honestly rank that alongside the first three movies, whereas I don't think I'd go quite that far with this one - but it's absolutely another winner from White and I recommend it 110%.

Spoiler
the character that first got mowed down by the dropship was named "Suedbeck" right? That's one of the characters White named after a beta-reader.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 08:27:44 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 01, 2021, 08:13:52 PM
Spoiler
the character that first got mowed down by the dropship was named "Suedbeck" right? That's one of the characters White named after a beta-reader.
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Looking through the acknowledgements, it seems there are half a dozen or so characters named after people who helped him out. Nice touch.
Spoiler
I was laughing my arse off at "Not Percival. He failed the audition, so I'm sending that little bitch home." :laugh:
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 01, 2021, 08:44:03 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 08:27:44 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 01, 2021, 08:13:52 PM
Spoiler
the character that first got mowed down by the dropship was named "Suedbeck" right? That's one of the characters White named after a beta-reader.
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Looking through the acknowledgements, it seems there are half a dozen or so characters named after people who helped him out. Nice touch.
Spoiler
I was laughing my arse off at "Not Percival. He failed the audition, so I'm sending that little bitch home." :laugh:
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:laugh:

Spoiler
Percival ended up with quite the heroic end though!
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 08:57:08 PM
Spoiler
Yeah, that disappointed me, I was thoroughly enjoying White mugging him off :P
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Another point I forgot to mention - once again many of the standout character moments involve synthetics. I really can't recall anyone in this franchise writing artificial people as well as White does.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 01, 2021, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: Nazrel on Mar 01, 2021, 02:39:00 AM
I can get that but a lot of the characters didnt have many if any positive qualities, between being delusionally narcissistic, vile, greedy, or just repulsive. i could understand the characters but i didnt care what happened to most of them.

I will never understand why so many people need fictional characters to be "good" or "likeable" to fully enjoy a narrative. The concept is, uh, alien to me.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 01, 2021, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 08:27:44 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 01, 2021, 08:13:52 PM
Spoiler
the character that first got mowed down by the dropship was named "Suedbeck" right? That's one of the characters White named after a beta-reader.
[close]

Looking through the acknowledgements, it seems there are half a dozen or so characters named after people who helped him out. Nice touch.
Spoiler
I was laughing my arse off at "Not Percival. He failed the audition, so I'm sending that little bitch home." :laugh:
[close]

Spoiler
white added some nice personal touches for those characters too, like calling "Leger" maple syrup was a reference to the real life Leger being Canadian, and "Suedbeck" having a watery grave was a reference to the real life Suedbeck being a water treatment scientist.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 09:59:45 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 01, 2021, 09:34:19 PM
Spoiler
white added some nice personal touches for those characters too, like calling "Leger" maple syrup was a reference to the real life Leger being Canadian, and "Suedbeck" having a watery grave was a reference to the real life Suedbeck being a water treatment scientist.
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That's class!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: AnthaiHero on Mar 01, 2021, 10:10:19 PM
Am I the only one that wants to see

Spoiler
Rook becoming homicidal and wanting revenge for Blue.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
Quote from: AnthaiHero on Mar 01, 2021, 10:10:19 PM
Am I the only one that wants to see

Spoiler
Rook becoming homicidal and wanting revenge for Blue.
[close]

I was actually thinking along them lines.

Spoiler
I could see Alex writing about the war and Rook starting a synthetic uprising against humanity during said war which could lead to things like Auton creation and what not. 
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 10:38:41 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
Spoiler
I could see Alex writing about the war and Rook starting a synthetic uprising against humanity during said war which could lead to things like Auton creation and what not. 
[close]

Spoiler
I asked Alex if they had any specific ideas/plans for a continuation and the gist was a follow-up would chronicle the interstellar war, but they doubt we'll be seeing another Alien novel with their name on it in the near future so they just wanted to leave things as open as possible for anyone to move on from.

I made sure to express my sadness lol.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:57:35 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2021, 10:38:41 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
Spoiler
I could see Alex writing about the war and Rook starting a synthetic uprising against humanity during said war which could lead to things like Auton creation and what not. 
[close]

Spoiler
I asked Alex if they had any specific ideas/plans for a continuation and the gist was a follow-up would chronicle the interstellar war, but they doubt we'll be seeing another Alien novel with their name on it in the near future so they just wanted to leave things as open as possible for anyone to move on from.

I made sure to express my sadness lol.
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I too must express my sadness at this  :'(

I may have to check out their Salvagers Trilogy.

Have you read it? 

Hicks, am I correct in thinking you have? 
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 01, 2021, 11:34:36 PM
Titan needs to let Alex
Spoiler
complete a trilogy ASAP!
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Vrastal on Mar 02, 2021, 12:36:08 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 01, 2021, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: Nazrel on Mar 01, 2021, 02:39:00 AM
I can get that but a lot of the characters didnt have many if any positive qualities, between being delusionally narcissistic, vile, greedy, or just repulsive. i could understand the characters but i didnt care what happened to most of them.

I will never understand why so many people need fictional characters to be "good" or "likeable" to fully enjoy a narrative. The concept is, uh, alien to me.


It isnt required there are "bad guys" i like but none of the main characters written did anything but annoy or irritate me. They didnt make me invested in them
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: hinkstar on Mar 02, 2021, 04:48:54 AM


Spoiler
Pretty sure it was definitely Neomorphs which was f**king awesome. I personally thought Duncan was a fantastic antagonist and seemed modeled after that psycho Navy Seal that Trump pardoned in 2019. Actually, while reading it seemed that a lot of current events seemed to influence the narrative which made the story all the more realistic in my opinion.
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Spoiler
I can't think of a single current event that could be realistically relevant centuries from now.  Modern day geopolitical realities will hold no sway in interstellar space. There's a good chance Iran won't be a thing in 40 years, let alone in centuries.  I'd give Azerbaijan a .05% chance of being a nation for any characters in this timeline to have been born there. 

Alluding to current realities really put me off of this book and quite honestly frustrated me to the point of putting it down.  They really have no place in the Alien universe's timeline.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2021, 09:18:14 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:57:35 PMI too must express my sadness at this  :'(

I'm assuming the uncertainty might relate to the Disney takeover. Does anyone know if/when Titan's deal runs out?

Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:57:35 PMI may have to check out their Salvagers Trilogy.

Have you read it?

I've read the first one. Magical fantasy isn't really my thing but blending it with space sci-fi definitely gave it an interesting slant. I really dig White's prose so that was solid. Despite being outside my usual comfort zone I did enjoy it and intend to pick up the rest eventually.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2021, 12:42:32 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:57:35 PM
I may have to check out their Salvagers Trilogy.

Have you read it? 

Hicks, am I correct in thinking you have?

I've read the first two and thoroughly enjoyed them. I've got the 3rd, but just not had the chance to sit down with it yet.


Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2021, 09:18:14 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:57:35 PMI too must express my sadness at this  :'(

I'm assuming the uncertainty might relate to the Disney takeover. Does anyone know if/when Titan's deal runs out?

I believe it was recently renegotiated so I think we're safe for a while on the Alien front. It's more likely to do with wanting to do more original work.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2021, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2021, 12:42:32 PMI believe it was recently renegotiated so I think we're safe for a while on the Alien front. It's more likely to do with wanting to do more original work.

That's fair, and good to hear Titan have re-secured the licence.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 02, 2021, 01:22:11 PM
Yeah. That is comforting to hear.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 02, 2021, 02:20:37 PM
I'm close to halfway done. You ladies and gents are just too quick!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 02, 2021, 02:34:53 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 02, 2021, 02:20:37 PM
I'm close to halfway done. You ladies and gents are just too quick!

How are you finding it so far ?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 02, 2021, 02:53:28 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 02, 2021, 02:34:53 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 02, 2021, 02:20:37 PM
I'm close to halfway done. You ladies and gents are just too quick!

How are you finding it so far ?

Quite enjoyable!  Not pleased with what occurred to my personal favorite character thus far, but alas, I must concede to the nature of such things!  :)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 02, 2021, 04:39:17 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 02, 2021, 02:53:28 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 02, 2021, 02:34:53 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 02, 2021, 02:20:37 PM
I'm close to halfway done. You ladies and gents are just too quick!

How are you finding it so far ?

Quite enjoyable!  Not pleased with what occurred to my personal favorite character thus far, but alas, I must concede to the nature of such things!  :)

Lol. It's a hash universe
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 02, 2021, 05:55:43 PM
Just reached the end of "Part II" and man, this is really going all out.....

Gonna wait til I actually finish the book before I start talking about it (can't wait to start opening all of the spoiler tags in this thread) but I am going to have a lot to say. Really great stuff, and I think it is pretty safe to say that this is the best take on the Colonial Marines since Aliens.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2021, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 02, 2021, 05:55:43 PMI think it is pretty safe to say that this is the best take on the Colonial Marines since Aliens.

As bad as some of the shorts were, I honestly think a couple of the stories in Bug Hunt might just edge it in that regard, but I certainly agree it's the best portrayal we've had in a full-length novel.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2021, 07:33:39 PM
https://link.bookriot.com/view/59490fc06ce95404598b4db4dq5y9.4l6/fd6cc678

Spoilers in the review.

QuoteThere are so many elements of Alien: Into Charybdis that I could point to if I wanted to praise Alex White's ability to bring the Alien universe to life. But it was their understanding of the true, real world horrors underlying the series' nightmarish sci-fi plots that really sold me in the end. After all it isn't the xenomorphs that make the Alien franchise frightening. It's the people.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SiL on Mar 02, 2021, 08:04:04 PM
.... No pretty sure it's the Aliens. ???
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xenomorphine on Mar 02, 2021, 09:04:27 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 02, 2021, 08:04:04 PM
.... No pretty sure it's the Aliens. ???

Yeeeeeeeah...

Weyland-Yutani is emblematic of a system being heartless, but that's not the same as being deliberately evil. LV-426 was a tragedy because Burke was cutting corners, not because the company, as a whole, wanted to kill people for the heck of it.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 02, 2021, 11:04:46 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2021, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 02, 2021, 05:55:43 PMI think it is pretty safe to say that this is the best take on the Colonial Marines since Aliens.

As bad as some of the shorts were, I honestly think a couple of the stories in Bug Hunt might just edge it in that regard, but I certainly agree it's the best portrayal we've had in a full-length novel.

I skipped Bug Hunt, so I can't speak to the one, but I love that, at least up to the point where I am in the book...

Spoiler
The Colonial Marines are essentially the bad guys here. Sure, there are a few good people among their ranks, but the actual militarized institution in and of itself is the dominating extension of evil corporate scheming and plotting in this book. I find that to be an incredibly compelling examination that furthers the "America during the Vietnam War" theme of Aliens, but taken another step farther this time. Very much along the lines of Cameron's Avatar, actually.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SiL on Mar 02, 2021, 11:19:24 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 02, 2021, 09:04:27 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 02, 2021, 08:04:04 PM
.... No pretty sure it's the Aliens. ???

Yeeeeeeeah...

Weyland-Yutani is emblematic of a system being heartless, but that's not the same as being deliberately evil. LV-426 was a tragedy because Burke was cutting corners, not because the company, as a whole, wanted to kill people for the heck of it.
Pretty sure my dad left the theater checking under his car for an Alien, not a faceless corporation. But you never know.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 03, 2021, 09:30:47 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 02, 2021, 09:04:27 PMYeeeeeeeah...

Weyland-Yutani is emblematic of a system being heartless, but that's not the same as being deliberately evil.

While I agree, in fairness the military-industrial complex in this novel are absolutely a bunch of c**ts :)

Quote from: SiL on Mar 02, 2021, 11:19:24 PMPretty sure my dad left the theater checking under his car for an Alien, not a faceless corporation. But you never know.

For some reason I got a mental image of him bending down to find Paul Reiser hiding under there.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SiL on Mar 03, 2021, 09:37:12 AM
WY is deliberately evil in that they deliberately endanger others with no regard for their wellbeing, but they aren't the sort of monstrous, explicitly homicidal entity you see it -- and others -- portrayed as in the EU. Remains one of my biggest gripes -- even AR makes this mistake. Just use livestock, for God's sake.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 03, 2021, 09:30:47 AM
For some reason I got a mental image of him bending down to find Paul Reiser hiding under there.
About seven years too early but that would be amazing :laugh:

Or he checks under the car and just sees the Nestle logo staring back at him, if we're going for real evil.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 03, 2021, 08:15:09 PM
I always dislike the evil corp angle, I hope this new book isn't influenced by it like other recent media. Between the comics and the new Alien game, it doesn't seem like fox wants to try anything new.  :-\
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 03, 2021, 10:03:51 PM
Finally finished. Loved it for the most part.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Gentleman Death on Mar 03, 2021, 10:08:49 PM
Finished the book and overall it was good. I had a few issues here and there but it's still up there with the better Alien novels.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 04, 2021, 07:09:15 AM
Something's desperately off with me because I just don't have the motivation to get into this.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 04, 2021, 07:29:49 AM
How can that be?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 04, 2021, 02:19:10 PM
Yes, that is indeed surprising considering what an advocate for The Cold Forge you were/are TQ.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 04, 2021, 02:33:49 PM
Tbf this one didn't grab me like a vice from page one like Cold Forge did.

It definitely had more of a warm-up period at the start.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 04, 2021, 02:49:56 PM
Interesting! I've so far found the opposite. This grabbed me from the beginning, but started loosening its grip on me a bit with some of the Colonial Marines stuff. We'll see where the rest takes me.  :)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 04, 2021, 02:53:06 PM
I'm only on chapter 25, and not ready to talk spoilers yet, but I will say that I found myself very into the early chapters. I absolutely love the Charybdis Complex itself and found myself fascinated to explore every nook and cranny of it; it may just be the most interesting human-built location in the Alien series this side of Sevastopol, and the political/corporate conflict (and the sort of horror that stems from those strained relationships) that dominates the early chapters is right up my alley.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 04, 2021, 03:02:00 PM
Agreed!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 04, 2021, 03:12:56 PM
I don't think it's on the book in this case, to be honest though, loved what I read just letting you all know I'm going to be late to the party because of my shoddy headspace.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Gentleman Death on Mar 04, 2021, 04:29:37 PM
The first half is great but yeah, the colonial marine stuff was hit and miss for me personally.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 06, 2021, 03:12:46 PM
I'm interested in hearing why exactly.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: Gentleman Death on Mar 06, 2021, 03:50:34 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 06, 2021, 03:12:46 PM
I'm interested in hearing why exactly.

I personally didn't like Duncan and her whole ""Oh-Ra" military persona. I felt the story slightly faltered with them although I understand, story wise, why White included them. Plus I feel the environment and planet was amazing and vastly underutilized.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2021, 03:55:38 PM
I did think Duncan was over-the-top in a way Dorian never was, but I also thought that fit better with the more fun-focused tone the story was going for.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Gentleman Death on Mar 06, 2021, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2021, 03:55:38 PM
I did think Duncan was over-the-top in a way Dorian never was, but I also thought that fit better with the more fun-focused tone the story was going for.

Exactly. I mean, I get it....I understand the why but it was hard for me to not roll my eyes at her character.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 03:30:55 AM
I have roughly 100 pages to go. Still not ready to fully talk spoilers, but to address the points being raised in the last few posts...

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At first I was thrown off by the marine element, as I was loving the more Alien-inspired take of the first chunk of the book and find the Charybdis Complex itself to be, perhaps, the most interesting locale we've ever gotten in an expanded universe story. But I quickly came around and found myself loving the marine element as well. Duncan's earnest "OOH RAH" mentality directly correlating with her role as the story's antagonist and Becker seeing through the artifice of it all appeals to me greatly, as it all stands in pretty direct contrast to the "OOH RAH BADASS MARINES" style that unfortunately dictated so much of the expended universe in years past. This, to me, has been the best marine-focused story since Cameron's film so far.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, A...
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 07, 2021, 04:48:43 AM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Feb 28, 2021, 03:43:49 PM
Page 240... Harsh! 😅

Right!?

Had a good laugh at that one lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 11:41:00 PM
Finished. Thought this was excellent. Reading through spoiler posts now, but just want to say that I really loved this one and found it to be right on par with The Cold Forge. Out of the fair share of expanded universe stuff I've read, nobody gets the Alien universe quite the way Alex White does.

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I bet the fanbase is going to be pretty split on the Blue stuff (which took me by complete surprise) but I was really into it. I'd love to see a visual depiction of her as described in this book...

Duncan's death was f**king NUTS in the best possible way.

Hasanova/Charybdis Complex is easily my favorite location in an Alien story outside of the films, and I found the whole political climate here to be incredibly compelling. On that note, this is the best Colonial Marines focused story since Aliens, and by a WIDE margin.

So we have a pre-merger Weyland facility built over an ancient Engineer site... giant head room and all. That's... a pretty insanely massive detail ripe with so much potential. I absolutely love this kind of stuff, and it opens up a huge can of worms vase of black goo.

Also, I'd be remiss to not mention Shy's absolutely shocking death at the halfway point of the book.
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Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
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I could see Alex writing about the war and Rook starting a synthetic uprising against humanity during said war which could lead to things like Auton creation and what not. 
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The epilogue had me speculating about this exact same thing. And I think Alex White would write a damn good book dealing with that subject matter. It would have to be set some time further in the future, but it would be interesting if it also dealt with the inevitable collapse of Weyland-Yutani that we know is coming at some point in the next 200 years.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 08, 2021, 12:52:19 AM
I have acquired a copy of this tome, so be prepared for me to read it and pass judgment.

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Also, I may have questions.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 08, 2021, 01:20:25 AM
I'm 350 pages in and loving it. I felt a lil dip as soon as the
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marines
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enter the picture. But after that if really delivers on all fronts.

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I'm a little unsure of Blue becoming a weird rattlesnake xenomorph, I'll wait and see how it all plays out first though.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 01:25:03 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 08, 2021, 01:20:25 AM
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I'm a little unsure of Blue becoming a weird rattlesnake xenomorph, I'll wait and see how it all plays out first though.
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I personally was really into this particular element, but I do think it is going to split a lot of people.

Question for people that have finished the novel:

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Maybe I missed a detail while reading, but do we know why exactly Blue chose this planet to come to in the Blackstar? If that was explained, I feel like I somehow missed that detail. I'd imagine Blue was drawn to the Engineer facility located here...

Speaking of the facility, since it was a Weyland era installation over that (rather than WY), that must have been discovered not long after the events of Prometheus. I wonder if maybe another star map led Weyland Industries here in the first place?

Also, I imagine the Blackstar is a Bowie reference, and if so, love it. 8)

EDIT: Flipping through the book again, and it seems like  the Five Months Ago conversation between Marsalis and Thien at the start of "Part III: Revenant" is the context that slipped my mind about why Blue came to Hasanova.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 02:26:47 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 11:41:00 PM
Finished. Thought this was excellent. Reading through spoiler posts now, but just want to say that I really loved this one and found it to be right on par with The Cold Forge. Out of the fair share of expanded universe stuff I've read, nobody gets the Alien universe quite the way Alex White does.

Spoiler
I bet the fanbase is going to be pretty split on the Blue stuff (which took me by complete surprise) but I was really into it. I'd love to see a visual depiction of her as described in this book...

Duncan's death was f**king NUTS in the best possible way.

Hasanova/Charybdis Complex is easily my favorite location in an Alien story outside of the films, and I found the whole political climate here to be incredibly compelling. On that note, this is the best Colonial Marines focused story since Aliens, and by a WIDE margin.

So we have a pre-merger Weyland facility built over an ancient Engineer site... giant head room and all. That's... a pretty insanely massive detail ripe with so much potential. I absolutely love this kind of stuff, and it opens up a huge can of worms vase of black goo.

Also, I'd be remiss to not mention Shy's absolutely shocking death at the halfway point of the book.
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Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
Spoiler
I could see Alex writing about the war and Rook starting a synthetic uprising against humanity during said war which could lead to things like Auton creation and what not. 
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Spoiler
The epilogue had me speculating about this exact same thing. And I think Alex White would write a damn good book dealing with that subject matter. It would have to be set some time further in the future, but it would be interesting if it also dealt with the inevitable collapse of Weyland-Yutani that we know is coming at some point in the next 200 years.
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for that visual depiction of blue, think 'unused alien3' design:
https://i2.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/32.jpg
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 02:29:01 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 02:26:47 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 11:41:00 PM
Finished. Thought this was excellent. Reading through spoiler posts now, but just want to say that I really loved this one and found it to be right on par with The Cold Forge. Out of the fair share of expanded universe stuff I've read, nobody gets the Alien universe quite the way Alex White does.

Spoiler
I bet the fanbase is going to be pretty split on the Blue stuff (which took me by complete surprise) but I was really into it. I'd love to see a visual depiction of her as described in this book...

Duncan's death was f**king NUTS in the best possible way.

Hasanova/Charybdis Complex is easily my favorite location in an Alien story outside of the films, and I found the whole political climate here to be incredibly compelling. On that note, this is the best Colonial Marines focused story since Aliens, and by a WIDE margin.

So we have a pre-merger Weyland facility built over an ancient Engineer site... giant head room and all. That's... a pretty insanely massive detail ripe with so much potential. I absolutely love this kind of stuff, and it opens up a huge can of worms vase of black goo.

Also, I'd be remiss to not mention Shy's absolutely shocking death at the halfway point of the book.
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Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
Spoiler
I could see Alex writing about the war and Rook starting a synthetic uprising against humanity during said war which could lead to things like Auton creation and what not. 
[close]

Spoiler
The epilogue had me speculating about this exact same thing. And I think Alex White would write a damn good book dealing with that subject matter. It would have to be set some time further in the future, but it would be interesting if it also dealt with the inevitable collapse of Weyland-Yutani that we know is coming at some point in the next 200 years.
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for that visual depiction of blue, think 'unused alien3' design:
https://i2.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/32.jpg
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Aye, that's a very good reference point there! In my mind I saw the head as very similar to that, though with the ridges more "layered" over/under one another (to account for the rattling), and the body structure more like that of a (partially formed) Queen.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:05:42 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 02:29:01 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 02:26:47 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 11:41:00 PM
Finished. Thought this was excellent. Reading through spoiler posts now, but just want to say that I really loved this one and found it to be right on par with The Cold Forge. Out of the fair share of expanded universe stuff I've read, nobody gets the Alien universe quite the way Alex White does.

Spoiler
I bet the fanbase is going to be pretty split on the Blue stuff (which took me by complete surprise) but I was really into it. I'd love to see a visual depiction of her as described in this book...

Duncan's death was f**king NUTS in the best possible way.

Hasanova/Charybdis Complex is easily my favorite location in an Alien story outside of the films, and I found the whole political climate here to be incredibly compelling. On that note, this is the best Colonial Marines focused story since Aliens, and by a WIDE margin.

So we have a pre-merger Weyland facility built over an ancient Engineer site... giant head room and all. That's... a pretty insanely massive detail ripe with so much potential. I absolutely love this kind of stuff, and it opens up a huge can of worms vase of black goo.

Also, I'd be remiss to not mention Shy's absolutely shocking death at the halfway point of the book.
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Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
Spoiler
I could see Alex writing about the war and Rook starting a synthetic uprising against humanity during said war which could lead to things like Auton creation and what not. 
[close]

Spoiler
The epilogue had me speculating about this exact same thing. And I think Alex White would write a damn good book dealing with that subject matter. It would have to be set some time further in the future, but it would be interesting if it also dealt with the inevitable collapse of Weyland-Yutani that we know is coming at some point in the next 200 years.
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for that visual depiction of blue, think 'unused alien3' design:
https://i2.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/32.jpg
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Aye, that's a very good reference point there! In my mind I saw the head as very similar to that, though with the ridges more "layered" over/under one another (to account for the rattling), and the body structure more like that of a (partially formed) Queen.
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the way the lips were described made me think of this unused design initially, but honestly, the rest of the creature's description made me doubt for a moment. Really happy that's what it turned out to be though. Such a cool reference/Easter egg!
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 03:15:10 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:05:42 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 02:29:01 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 02:26:47 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 11:41:00 PM
Finished. Thought this was excellent. Reading through spoiler posts now, but just want to say that I really loved this one and found it to be right on par with The Cold Forge. Out of the fair share of expanded universe stuff I've read, nobody gets the Alien universe quite the way Alex White does.

Spoiler
I bet the fanbase is going to be pretty split on the Blue stuff (which took me by complete surprise) but I was really into it. I'd love to see a visual depiction of her as described in this book...

Duncan's death was f**king NUTS in the best possible way.

Hasanova/Charybdis Complex is easily my favorite location in an Alien story outside of the films, and I found the whole political climate here to be incredibly compelling. On that note, this is the best Colonial Marines focused story since Aliens, and by a WIDE margin.

So we have a pre-merger Weyland facility built over an ancient Engineer site... giant head room and all. That's... a pretty insanely massive detail ripe with so much potential. I absolutely love this kind of stuff, and it opens up a huge can of worms vase of black goo.

Also, I'd be remiss to not mention Shy's absolutely shocking death at the halfway point of the book.
[close]

Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
Spoiler
I could see Alex writing about the war and Rook starting a synthetic uprising against humanity during said war which could lead to things like Auton creation and what not. 
[close]

Spoiler
The epilogue had me speculating about this exact same thing. And I think Alex White would write a damn good book dealing with that subject matter. It would have to be set some time further in the future, but it would be interesting if it also dealt with the inevitable collapse of Weyland-Yutani that we know is coming at some point in the next 200 years.
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for that visual depiction of blue, think 'unused alien3' design:
https://i2.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/32.jpg
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Aye, that's a very good reference point there! In my mind I saw the head as very similar to that, though with the ridges more "layered" over/under one another (to account for the rattling), and the body structure more like that of a (partially formed) Queen.
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the way the lips were described made me think of this unused design initially, but honestly, the rest of the creature's description made me doubt for a moment. Really happy that's what it turned out to be though. Such a cool reference/Easter egg!
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Yeah, the Michelle Pfeiffer lips definitely seem to be an inspiration here - Giger would (hopefully) be proud to see them finally getting used in some capacity!
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:21:01 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 03:15:10 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:05:42 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 02:29:01 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 02:26:47 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 11:41:00 PM
Finished. Thought this was excellent. Reading through spoiler posts now, but just want to say that I really loved this one and found it to be right on par with The Cold Forge. Out of the fair share of expanded universe stuff I've read, nobody gets the Alien universe quite the way Alex White does.

Spoiler
I bet the fanbase is going to be pretty split on the Blue stuff (which took me by complete surprise) but I was really into it. I'd love to see a visual depiction of her as described in this book...

Duncan's death was f**king NUTS in the best possible way.

Hasanova/Charybdis Complex is easily my favorite location in an Alien story outside of the films, and I found the whole political climate here to be incredibly compelling. On that note, this is the best Colonial Marines focused story since Aliens, and by a WIDE margin.

So we have a pre-merger Weyland facility built over an ancient Engineer site... giant head room and all. That's... a pretty insanely massive detail ripe with so much potential. I absolutely love this kind of stuff, and it opens up a huge can of worms vase of black goo.

Also, I'd be remiss to not mention Shy's absolutely shocking death at the halfway point of the book.
[close]

Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
Spoiler
I could see Alex writing about the war and Rook starting a synthetic uprising against humanity during said war which could lead to things like Auton creation and what not. 
[close]

Spoiler
The epilogue had me speculating about this exact same thing. And I think Alex White would write a damn good book dealing with that subject matter. It would have to be set some time further in the future, but it would be interesting if it also dealt with the inevitable collapse of Weyland-Yutani that we know is coming at some point in the next 200 years.
[close]

Spoiler
for that visual depiction of blue, think 'unused alien3' design:
https://i2.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/32.jpg
[close]


Spoiler
Aye, that's a very good reference point there! In my mind I saw the head as very similar to that, though with the ridges more "layered" over/under one another (to account for the rattling), and the body structure more like that of a (partially formed) Queen.
[close]

Spoiler
the way the lips were described made me think of this unused design initially, but honestly, the rest of the creature's description made me doubt for a moment. Really happy that's what it turned out to be though. Such a cool reference/Easter egg!
[close]

Spoiler
Yeah, the Michelle Pfeiffer lips definitely seem to be an inspiration here - Giger would (hopefully) be proud to see them finally getting used in some capacity!
[close]

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blue's form and the scientist character returning from alien3 were both big surprises. Alex said the cold forge was their "alien" and  into charybdis was their "aliens" but it pulled a fair bit from alien3 too which is pretty freakin awesome IMO. That was a character I don't think I ever expected to see again.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 03:26:42 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:21:01 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 03:15:10 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:05:42 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 02:29:01 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 02:26:47 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 11:41:00 PM
Finished. Thought this was excellent. Reading through spoiler posts now, but just want to say that I really loved this one and found it to be right on par with The Cold Forge. Out of the fair share of expanded universe stuff I've read, nobody gets the Alien universe quite the way Alex White does.

Spoiler
I bet the fanbase is going to be pretty split on the Blue stuff (which took me by complete surprise) but I was really into it. I'd love to see a visual depiction of her as described in this book...

Duncan's death was f**king NUTS in the best possible way.

Hasanova/Charybdis Complex is easily my favorite location in an Alien story outside of the films, and I found the whole political climate here to be incredibly compelling. On that note, this is the best Colonial Marines focused story since Aliens, and by a WIDE margin.

So we have a pre-merger Weyland facility built over an ancient Engineer site... giant head room and all. That's... a pretty insanely massive detail ripe with so much potential. I absolutely love this kind of stuff, and it opens up a huge can of worms vase of black goo.

Also, I'd be remiss to not mention Shy's absolutely shocking death at the halfway point of the book.
[close]

Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
Spoiler
I could see Alex writing about the war and Rook starting a synthetic uprising against humanity during said war which could lead to things like Auton creation and what not. 
[close]

Spoiler
The epilogue had me speculating about this exact same thing. And I think Alex White would write a damn good book dealing with that subject matter. It would have to be set some time further in the future, but it would be interesting if it also dealt with the inevitable collapse of Weyland-Yutani that we know is coming at some point in the next 200 years.
[close]

Spoiler
for that visual depiction of blue, think 'unused alien3' design:
https://i2.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/32.jpg
[close]


Spoiler
Aye, that's a very good reference point there! In my mind I saw the head as very similar to that, though with the ridges more "layered" over/under one another (to account for the rattling), and the body structure more like that of a (partially formed) Queen.
[close]

Spoiler
the way the lips were described made me think of this unused design initially, but honestly, the rest of the creature's description made me doubt for a moment. Really happy that's what it turned out to be though. Such a cool reference/Easter egg!
[close]

Spoiler
Yeah, the Michelle Pfeiffer lips definitely seem to be an inspiration here - Giger would (hopefully) be proud to see them finally getting used in some capacity!
[close]

Spoiler
blue's form and the scientist character returning from alien3 were both big surprises. Alex said the cold forge was their "alien" and  into charybdis was their "aliens" but it pulled a fair bit from alien3 too which is pretty freakin awesome IMO. That was a character I don't think I ever expected to see again.
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Yeah, it actually admittedly took me a little too long before I made the scientist connection. :D

I also love the way White so seamlessly weaves in concepts from Prometheus and Covenant into stories more based around the "traditional" films. Blue was a fascinating (and sure to be divisive) extension of that, and in no way was I expecting a literal Engineer installation – giant head statue and all! – in the bowls of the planet.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:34:25 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 03:26:42 AM
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Yeah, it actually admittedly took me a little too long before I made the scientist connection. :D

I also love the way White so seamlessly weaves in concepts from Prometheus and Covenant into stories more based around the "traditional" films. Blue was a fascinating (and sure to be divisive) extension of that, and in no way was I expecting a literal Engineer installation – giant head statue and all! – in the bowls of the planet.
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notice any other Easter eggs?
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 04:04:39 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:34:25 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 03:26:42 AM
Spoiler
Yeah, it actually admittedly took me a little too long before I made the scientist connection. :D

I also love the way White so seamlessly weaves in concepts from Prometheus and Covenant into stories more based around the "traditional" films. Blue was a fascinating (and sure to be divisive) extension of that, and in no way was I expecting a literal Engineer installation – giant head statue and all! – in the bowls of the planet.
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Spoiler
notice any other Easter eggs?
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Quite a few dialogue-based ones, some Gibson references (the UPP), and the Balaji Imperial cigarettes for starters.

Also, not an Easter Egg per say, but would you say that the critters that birthed from Duncan at the end were actual Neomorphs, or some other tangential creation of the pathogen? They read like full on Neomorphs to me in that moment.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 04:20:52 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 04:04:39 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:34:25 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 03:26:42 AM
Spoiler
Yeah, it actually admittedly took me a little too long before I made the scientist connection. :D

I also love the way White so seamlessly weaves in concepts from Prometheus and Covenant into stories more based around the "traditional" films. Blue was a fascinating (and sure to be divisive) extension of that, and in no way was I expecting a literal Engineer installation – giant head statue and all! – in the bowls of the planet.
[close]
Spoiler
notice any other Easter eggs?
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Spoiler
Quite a few dialogue-based ones, some Gibson references (the UPP), and the Balaji Imperial cigarettes for starters.

Also, not an Easter Egg per say, but would you say that the critters that birthed from Duncan at the end were actual Neomorphs, or some other tangential creation of the pathogen? They read like full on Neomorphs to me in that moment.
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yep! You got those! Also blue wielding the pulse rifle was a reference to Jeri from stronghold; the cigar smoking, gun wielding Android xeno. There's a few others scattered about in there too.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 08:47:13 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 03:15:10 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:05:42 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 02:29:01 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 02:26:47 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 11:41:00 PM
Finished. Thought this was excellent. Reading through spoiler posts now, but just want to say that I really loved this one and found it to be right on par with The Cold Forge. Out of the fair share of expanded universe stuff I've read, nobody gets the Alien universe quite the way Alex White does.

Spoiler
I bet the fanbase is going to be pretty split on the Blue stuff (which took me by complete surprise) but I was really into it. I'd love to see a visual depiction of her as described in this book...

Duncan's death was f**king NUTS in the best possible way.

Hasanova/Charybdis Complex is easily my favorite location in an Alien story outside of the films, and I found the whole political climate here to be incredibly compelling. On that note, this is the best Colonial Marines focused story since Aliens, and by a WIDE margin.

So we have a pre-merger Weyland facility built over an ancient Engineer site... giant head room and all. That's... a pretty insanely massive detail ripe with so much potential. I absolutely love this kind of stuff, and it opens up a huge can of worms vase of black goo.

Also, I'd be remiss to not mention Shy's absolutely shocking death at the halfway point of the book.
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Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 01, 2021, 10:24:37 PM
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I could see Alex writing about the war and Rook starting a synthetic uprising against humanity during said war which could lead to things like Auton creation and what not. 
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The epilogue had me speculating about this exact same thing. And I think Alex White would write a damn good book dealing with that subject matter. It would have to be set some time further in the future, but it would be interesting if it also dealt with the inevitable collapse of Weyland-Yutani that we know is coming at some point in the next 200 years.
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for that visual depiction of blue, think 'unused alien3' design:
https://i2.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/32.jpg
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Aye, that's a very good reference point there! In my mind I saw the head as very similar to that, though with the ridges more "layered" over/under one another (to account for the rattling), and the body structure more like that of a (partially formed) Queen.
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the way the lips were described made me think of this unused design initially, but honestly, the rest of the creature's description made me doubt for a moment. Really happy that's what it turned out to be though. Such a cool reference/Easter egg!
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Yeah, the Michelle Pfeiffer lips definitely seem to be an inspiration here - Giger would (hopefully) be proud to see them finally getting used in some capacity!
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That was 100% the intention. I didn't get it from the mention of the

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whistling plates, but by the mention of the lips I got the design we were going for, then who it was.
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I'm looking forward to speaking to Alex on the show so they can go into more detail about all of this.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 08, 2021, 09:09:38 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 01:25:03 AMQuestion for people that have finished the novel:

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Maybe I missed a detail while reading, but do we know why exactly Blue chose this planet to come to in the Blackstar? If that was explained, I feel like I somehow missed that detail. I'd imagine Blue was drawn to the Engineer facility located here...
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She's hunting for a cure to... being an Alien, and tracking down Engineer sites in the hopes of finding it.
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 11:41:00 PM
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I bet the fanbase is going to be pretty split on the Blue stuff (which took me by complete surprise) but I was really into it. I'd love to see a visual depiction of her as described in this book...
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It threw me a bit at first, but as I've said several times, it really harked back to the kind of mad fun many of the O.G. novels experimented with, and I dug it. In particular, if it wasn't an intentional nod to the Xeno-android in the comic Stronghold, it very much brought it to mind.
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 11:41:00 PM
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Duncan's death was f**king NUTS in the best possible way.
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Right? And yeah, I'm pretty sure those were supposed to be Neomorphs or something along the same lines.
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2021, 11:41:00 PMHasanova/Charybdis Complex is easily my favorite location in an Alien story outside of the films, and I found the whole political climate here to be incredibly compelling.

Also agreed. Visually it's an amazingly arresting locale and the political stuff also made it a lot more engaging than just being another space research colony.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 08:47:13 AM
I'm looking forward to speaking to Alex on the show so they can go into more detail about all of this.

I am very excited for this! I've been through the spoiler-free interviews with Alex that I could find, but what I'm really itching for is your post-release one where they can properly dig into everything.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 08, 2021, 11:29:04 AM
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I'm going to have to read through again to digest all the finer details more closely, but the only thing that seemed out of place was the Weyland Industries facility over the engineer ruins. How does this work? I assume it was after Prometheus and pre-merger but that is a huge revelation that should really affect the rest of the series in a big way. If Weyland Industries had access to the pathogen all this time then what does that mean for the rest of the following films and plot? This feels like Charbydis' version of the 'where the eggs came from' mystery from the Cold Forge. Am I missing something here?
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 11:55:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 08:47:13 AM
I'm looking forward to speaking to Alex on the show so they can go into more detail about all of this.

I am very excited for this! I've been through the spoiler-free interviews with Alex that I could find, but what I'm really itching for is your post-release one where they can properly dig into everything.

Still waiting for my actual book to show up. I can't really focus on audio books.  :'(
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 11:58:10 AM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 08, 2021, 11:29:04 AM
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I'm going to have to read through again to digest all the finer details more closely, but the only thing that seemed out of place was the Weyland Industries facility over the engineer ruins. How does this work? I assume it was after Prometheus and pre-merger but that is a huge revelation that should really affect the rest of the series in a big way. If Weyland Industries had access to the pathogen all this time then what does that mean for the rest of the following films and plot? This feels like Charbydis' version of the 'where the eggs came from' mystery from the Cold Forge. Am I missing something here?
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Given the layer of Russian structures between the old Weyland facility and the current Hasanova data center, I can only presume that this Engineer installation wasn't in Weyland Industry's hands for very long. Like you said, it would have to have been discovered at some point post-Prometheus, pre-merger, which is a very short span of time. We don't know the details of how the merger played out, however, so while reading my mind just kind of drifted to the idea that Weyland Industries lost assets during the merger (which sounds fair to me, if they were hemorrhaging money after the disappearance of both Peter and Vickers) and that Russia scooped this one up at the time that Weyland and Yutani were coming together.

As for how this planet was discovered in the first place, I'm wondering if maybe another star map was discovered somewhere else in the galaxy? It definitely feels like there's a whole story to tell regarding this...
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2021, 02:19:35 PM
Almost done. On the home stretch..!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 11:55:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 08:47:13 AM
I'm looking forward to speaking to Alex on the show so they can go into more detail about all of this.

I am very excited for this! I've been through the spoiler-free interviews with Alex that I could find, but what I'm really itching for is your post-release one where they can properly dig into everything.

Still waiting for my actual book to show up. I can't really focus on audio books.  :'(
I have a hard time focusing on audiobooks too; my mind starts to wander. One thing that helps me is to speed it up to 1.2x, so you blast through it a little faster lol
What I really want to do sometime though is try reading one of the books while listening to the audiobook.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2021, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 11:55:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 08:47:13 AM
I'm looking forward to speaking to Alex on the show so they can go into more detail about all of this.

I am very excited for this! I've been through the spoiler-free interviews with Alex that I could find, but what I'm really itching for is your post-release one where they can properly dig into everything.

Still waiting for my actual book to show up. I can't really focus on audio books.  :'(
I have a hard time focusing on audiobooks too; my mind starts to wander. One thing that helps me is to speed it up to 1.2x, so you blast through it a little faster lol
What I really want to do sometime though is try reading one of the books while listening to the audiobook.

RidgeTop has done that and seems to like it actually.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2021, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 11:55:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 08:47:13 AM
I'm looking forward to speaking to Alex on the show so they can go into more detail about all of this.

I am very excited for this! I've been through the spoiler-free interviews with Alex that I could find, but what I'm really itching for is your post-release one where they can properly dig into everything.

Still waiting for my actual book to show up. I can't really focus on audio books.  :'(
I have a hard time focusing on audiobooks too; my mind starts to wander. One thing that helps me is to speed it up to 1.2x, so you blast through it a little faster lol
What I really want to do sometime though is try reading one of the books while listening to the audiobook.

RidgeTop has done that and seems to like it actually.
I've tried/planned on it a few times but the timing is always off. Lol. Like for phalanx, for example, my copy of the book didn't show up until like 2 months later and by then I had already listened to the audiobook because I couldn't wait lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2021, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 04:02:28 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2021, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 11:55:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 08:47:13 AM
I'm looking forward to speaking to Alex on the show so they can go into more detail about all of this.

I am very excited for this! I've been through the spoiler-free interviews with Alex that I could find, but what I'm really itching for is your post-release one where they can properly dig into everything.

Still waiting for my actual book to show up. I can't really focus on audio books.  :'(
I have a hard time focusing on audiobooks too; my mind starts to wander. One thing that helps me is to speed it up to 1.2x, so you blast through it a little faster lol
What I really want to do sometime though is try reading one of the books while listening to the audiobook.

RidgeTop has done that and seems to like it actually.
I've tried/planned on it a few times but the timing is always off. Lol. Like for phalanx, for example, my copy of the book didn't show up until like 2 months later and by then I had already listened to the audiobook because I couldn't wait lol

Ah, indeed, I don't think I could have waited the two months either! :)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 09, 2021, 02:18:31 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2021, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 11:55:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 08:47:13 AM
I'm looking forward to speaking to Alex on the show so they can go into more detail about all of this.

I am very excited for this! I've been through the spoiler-free interviews with Alex that I could find, but what I'm really itching for is your post-release one where they can properly dig into everything.

Still waiting for my actual book to show up. I can't really focus on audio books.  :'(
I have a hard time focusing on audiobooks too; my mind starts to wander. One thing that helps me is to speed it up to 1.2x, so you blast through it a little faster lol
What I really want to do sometime though is try reading one of the books while listening to the audiobook.

RidgeTop has done that and seems to like it actually.

Yep, it's become my novel reading method of choice, with the narration sped up 1.5x so it's about the speed I read in my head. Two sensory inputs gives me better focus and comprehension. Only issue is then you gotta buy the Audible version as well as the Kindle one, but I think one is discounted if you get both.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 09, 2021, 05:37:11 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 09, 2021, 02:18:31 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2021, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 11:55:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2021, 08:47:13 AM
I'm looking forward to speaking to Alex on the show so they can go into more detail about all of this.

I am very excited for this! I've been through the spoiler-free interviews with Alex that I could find, but what I'm really itching for is your post-release one where they can properly dig into everything.

Still waiting for my actual book to show up. I can't really focus on audio books.  :'(
I have a hard time focusing on audiobooks too; my mind starts to wander. One thing that helps me is to speed it up to 1.2x, so you blast through it a little faster lol
What I really want to do sometime though is try reading one of the books while listening to the audiobook.

RidgeTop has done that and seems to like it actually.

Yep, it's become my novel reading method of choice, with the narration sped up 1.5x so it's about the speed I read in my head. Two sensory inputs gives me better focus and comprehension. Only issue is then you gotta buy the Audible version as well as the Kindle one, but I think one is discounted if you get both.
Ha! Sounds like we think alike! I thought it be a better way to retain more of the story. My drawback though is I have to have a physical copy rather than kindle so I'm paying full price for the audiobook and the physical book... no discounts :-/
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 11, 2021, 03:09:03 AM
Finished!

Have to collect my thoughts a bit but I think this might have topped TCF for me. I loved it, it was a terrific read. It had fun, intensity, gore, action, and horror. Not to forget the incredible setting, i'm not likely to get Charybdis and Hasanova out of my mind for some time.
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Did anyone notice the lack of a traditional queen in the novel?  Also the Midnighters have encountered the alien 26 times? Aliens are everywhere at this point in the timeline somehow.

What a crazy end to the Blue Marsalis story, not what I was expecting but it was really well done and interesting.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 11, 2021, 03:25:55 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 11, 2021, 03:09:03 AM
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Did anyone notice the lack of a traditional queen in the novel? 
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Yep, seems like Blue sort of cracked the "Queenscode" but then applied it directly to herself, rather than the "intended" method of impregnation via Facehugger, which yielded some radically different results.

Makes me wonder about the exact nature of her "children" being spawned...

Also makes me wonder if, as far as Ridley is concerned, this "Queenscode" is something of David's design, or if it was something the pathogen sort of generated on its own as a way of securing ability to propagate without David's guiding hand. The way I see it, either option is vaild – either David created the Queen by design, or the Queen came into being as a way for the Aliens to sort of usurp their creator, as creations so often tend to do in this universe.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 11, 2021, 03:30:09 AM
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I was a bit confused since this is post Aliens and it didn't sound like anyone had encountered a normal queen since. Something had to produce the 300 plus eggs needed in fairly short order. Not to mention all the other hives the Marines encountered. I'm still a bit confused here.  I thought for sure Blue would meet a queen especially after the aliens refused her control.

Maybe there was a queen but White just wasn't interested in mentioning them?

I do love how White weaves the prequels in so well
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I'm desperate for some discussion of this book lol. Also I would love an actual visualization of
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what Blue turned into.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 11, 2021, 10:13:10 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 11, 2021, 03:30:09 AM
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I was a bit confused since this is post Aliens and it didn't sound like anyone had encountered a normal queen since. Something had to produce the 300 plus eggs needed in fairly short order. Not to mention all the other hives the Marines encountered. I'm still a bit confused here.  I thought for sure Blue would meet a queen especially after the aliens refused her control.

Maybe there was a queen but White just wasn't interested in mentioning them?

I do love how White weaves the prequels in so well
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I'm desperate for some discussion of this book lol. Also I would love an actual visualization of
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what Blue turned into.
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I posted a visualization for blue a few comments back. It's one of the unused creature concepts from Alien3. :-)
Here it is again though so you don't have to go looking for it lol
https://i2.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/32.jpg
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 11, 2021, 10:52:16 PM
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Thanks Engineer! I did see that one you posted. I figured that was the inspiration but I really meant to say that want an actual visualization of the actual character in the book, not just the Alien3 concept art that inspired it.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 12, 2021, 03:02:21 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 11, 2021, 10:52:16 PM
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Thanks Engineer! I did see that one you posted. I figured that was the inspiration but I really meant to say that want an actual visualization of the actual character in the book, not just the Alien3 concept art that inspired it.
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If there was a "like" feature here I would have used it just now lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 03:13:42 AM
I just finished!

Now I can finally go back and start reading these spoiler tags! Woot!  :)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 12, 2021, 05:11:06 AM
I should read it.  I have it.  I'm at home because of covid 19 exposure.................but my fandom just isn't what it used to be. 
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 12, 2021, 05:19:18 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 12, 2021, 05:11:06 AM
I should read it.  I have it.  I'm at home because of covid 19 exposure.................but my fandom just isn't what it used to be.
I say give it a go!
You've got the book, you've got the time. It may reinvigorate your fandom; I say what have ya got to lose?


Ps. Sorry about the Covid exposure :-/
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Mar 12, 2021, 07:49:39 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 01:25:03 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 08, 2021, 01:20:25 AM
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I'm a little unsure of Blue becoming a weird rattlesnake xenomorph, I'll wait and see how it all plays out first though.
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I personally was really into this particular element, but I do think it is going to split a lot of people.

Question for people that have finished the novel:

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Maybe I missed a detail while reading, but do we know why exactly Blue chose this planet to come to in the Blackstar? If that was explained, I feel like I somehow missed that detail. I'd imagine Blue was drawn to the Engineer facility located here...

Speaking of the facility, since it was a Weyland era installation over that (rather than WY), that must have been discovered not long after the events of Prometheus. I wonder if maybe another star map led Weyland Industries here in the first place?

Also, I imagine the Blackstar is a Bowie reference, and if so, love it. 8)

EDIT: Flipping through the book again, and it seems like  the Five Months Ago conversation between Marsalis and Thien at the start of "Part III: Revenant" is the context that slipped my mind about why Blue came to Hasanova.
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THIEN
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is me! I sent the
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GINZA Files  ;D
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 12, 2021, 05:31:38 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 12, 2021, 05:19:18 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 12, 2021, 05:11:06 AM
I should read it.  I have it.  I'm at home because of covid 19 exposure.................but my fandom just isn't what it used to be.
I say give it a go!
You've got the book, you've got the time. It may reinvigorate your fandom; I say what have ya got to lose?


Ps. Sorry about the Covid exposure :-/

I don't have it.  But I live with someone who does...........thus I'm at home.  \

My first day off was yesterday.  So I got plenty of time. 
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 02:26:47 AM
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for that visual depiction of blue, think 'unused alien3' design:
https://i2.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/32.jpg
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This was really helpful my friend. Even though it's from a different project and a different time, even after finishing this book, I really had a hard time visualizing this character in my head.  Not anymore, so this definitely helped! 👏
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 12, 2021, 07:58:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 06:00:01 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 08, 2021, 02:26:47 AM
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for that visual depiction of blue, think 'unused alien3' design:
https://i2.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/32.jpg
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This was really helpful my friend. Even though it's from a different project and a different time, even after finishing this book, I really had a hard time visualizing this character in my head.  Not anymore, so this definitely helped! 👏
Glad I could help! :-)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 12, 2021, 08:38:47 PM
The moment I made that connection I was just like... :o
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 12, 2021, 08:54:45 PM
Same here; really shocked me!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 09:01:44 PM
Everytime I read

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your name Hicks
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it took me a little out of the book!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 12, 2021, 09:08:37 PM
 :laugh:

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He was so harsh on your character lol!
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 09:36:59 PM
I honestly thought his involvement would literally end with...

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Not Percival. He failed the audition, so I'm sending that little bitch home.

I was like.. Oh no! Poor Aaron! He'll never be able to live that down!

But alas, he redeemed himself!

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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 13, 2021, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: muthur9000 on Mar 12, 2021, 07:49:39 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 01:25:03 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 08, 2021, 01:20:25 AM
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I'm a little unsure of Blue becoming a weird rattlesnake xenomorph, I'll wait and see how it all plays out first though.
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I personally was really into this particular element, but I do think it is going to split a lot of people.

Question for people that have finished the novel:

Spoiler
Maybe I missed a detail while reading, but do we know why exactly Blue chose this planet to come to in the Blackstar? If that was explained, I feel like I somehow missed that detail. I'd imagine Blue was drawn to the Engineer facility located here...

Speaking of the facility, since it was a Weyland era installation over that (rather than WY), that must have been discovered not long after the events of Prometheus. I wonder if maybe another star map led Weyland Industries here in the first place?

Also, I imagine the Blackstar is a Bowie reference, and if so, love it. 8)

EDIT: Flipping through the book again, and it seems like  the Five Months Ago conversation between Marsalis and Thien at the start of "Part III: Revenant" is the context that slipped my mind about why Blue came to Hasanova.
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THIEN
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is me! I sent the
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GINZA Files  ;D
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hi THIEN! I'm the one who got the watery grave 😏
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2021, 07:41:21 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 09:36:59 PM
I honestly thought his involvement would literally end with...

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Not Percival. He failed the audition, so I'm sending that little bitch home.

I was like.. Oh no! Poor Aaron! He'll never be able to live that down!

But alas, he redeemed himself!

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Just meant he succeeded at
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not being a corrupt f**ker.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 09:01:44 PM
Everytime I read

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your name Hicks
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it took me a little out of the book!  :laugh:

Fortunately not a problem many will have lol


Still waiting for my damn copy to arrive.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Concerned Bystander on Mar 13, 2021, 07:57:22 PM
I wasn't really a huge fan of The Cold Forge, but that doesn't mean for a second that I won't be getting a hold of Into Charybdis at the soonest opportunity.  There is a hunger that must be fed, and even the worst Alien book is better than starvation.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2021, 08:53:52 PM
Quote from: Concerned Bystander on Mar 13, 2021, 07:57:22 PM
I wasn't really a huge fan of The Cold Forge, but that doesn't mean for a second that I won't be getting a hold of Into Charybdis at the soonest opportunity.  There is a hunger that must be fed, and even the worst Alien book is better than starvation.

Ah. I see we've welcomed a heathen into our ranks... :P
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 13, 2021, 10:19:35 PM
I didn't think it was bad, but it wasn't as good as people made it out to be either.  I give it props for trying to do something different with the characters, but that is about it. 
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 13, 2021, 10:36:24 PM
 I loved both TCF and Charybdis. I just really enjoy White's writing and I feel like he gets the Alien universe like few other authors do.

If you didn't like TCF then I'm not sure you're going to like this either, but I absolutely adore it. Honestly I would have to say that TCF, Phalanx, and Charybdis are my favorite novels in the EU overall.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 13, 2021, 10:39:57 PM
I didn't dislike it.  It was solid.  I'm just not sure it was all it was hyped up to be. 
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 13, 2021, 10:59:33 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 13, 2021, 10:36:24 PM
Honestly I would have to say that TCF, Phalanx, and Charybdis are my favorite novels in the EU overall.

I'll agree with this, but with the caveat that they are also the only three Titan novels I've read (barring the Covenant novelization). :D None of the others sounded interesting, so I haven't bothered with them.

I will be reading the upcoming adaptation of Gibson's script, though.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 13, 2021, 11:03:02 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 13, 2021, 10:39:57 PM
I didn't dislike it.  It was solid.  I'm just not sure it was all it was hyped up to be.

There is a TCF sect in these corners of the net, and that's just the pick of the iceberg. The dark waters is where the juicy revelations are.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 13, 2021, 11:06:02 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 13, 2021, 10:59:33 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 13, 2021, 10:36:24 PM
Honestly I would have to say that TCF, Phalanx, and Charybdis are my favorite novels in the EU overall.

I'll agree with this, but with the caveat that they are also the only three Titan novels I've read (barring the Covenant novelization). :D None of the others sounded interesting, so I haven't bothered with them.

I will be reading the upcoming adaptation of Gibson's script, though.

I really enjoyed out of the shadows. My expectations for it were very low, and considering that the inclusion of Ripley and the story taking place between alien and aliens was a mandate from fox, I went into thinking Lebbon was dealt a bad hand but he still churned out a pretty great story and somehow made it work ok given the constraints. It's not perfect, but certainly better than I think most others would have been able to pull off. I also think he handled ripley's characterization really well; it honestly felt like Ripley as a character was in a transitional state from who she was in alien to who she became in aliens. My ultimate recommendation here though is to give the audiodrama by Dirk Maggs a shot; that's the best way to experience that particular story imo.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 14, 2021, 02:56:13 AM
I also liked Out of Shadows despite Ripley's involvement which I was sure would kill it.  At times it comes off as silly, but it still was ok "what if" scenario (that had already been done before in the old DH comics).

I'm about sixty pages into Charybdis, and I will say that so far I am enjoying this book much better than Cold Forge.  Better world building, and likeable characters.


Some of this is my own brains doing.  I can watch movies about dickhead characters all day, but I hate reading about them. 
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 15, 2021, 06:16:47 AM
Hey guys,

Been away for a while because of some crazy life stuff, but I'm stoked about the new book and the sudden glut of material being announced lately. Anyway, I wanted to share something I threw together for the love of Charybdis.  Not sure how to embed the video direct but, crank it up to 720p or 1080p when you get there and check it out. It's still a work in progress but I've been having some fun periodically adding details and experimenting with some styles. Hope you like it.

https://youtu.be/s0-0gJULVnk (https://youtu.be/s0-0gJULVnk)

See You Space Cowboys
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 15, 2021, 06:24:09 AM
Wow! Excellent!!!
Thank you so much!
This helps with visualisation for me a lot.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 15, 2021, 07:10:03 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 13, 2021, 10:59:33 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 13, 2021, 10:36:24 PM
Honestly I would have to say that TCF, Phalanx, and Charybdis are my favorite novels in the EU overall.

I'll agree with this, but with the caveat that they are also the only three Titan novels I've read (barring the Covenant novelization). :D None of the others sounded interesting, so I haven't bothered with them.

I will be reading the upcoming adaptation of Gibson's script, though.

TCF, Phalanx and Charybdis are easily my favourites of the Titan era, and up there with my favourite Alien novels over all (the other 2 being Berserker and Music of the Spears). Aside from Covenant - Origins, Alien: Isolation and the majority of the shorts in Bug Hunt, Titan's run has actually been solid. TCF, Phalanx and Charybdis are the top notch, 10/10s, but the rest have been around 7/10s for me. Still strong and enjoyable.


Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 14, 2021, 02:56:13 AM
Some of this is my own brains doing.  I can watch movies about dickhead characters all day, but I hate reading about them.

That's a shame. My thing is as long as those dickheads are interesting to read about, I'm in. It's one of the reasons I remember not really being too keen on Criminal Enterprise. And that's one of the things that Alex does well. Their characters aren't black-and-white, they're shades of grey, and there's usually some interesting background or conflicts going on that make them fun to read.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Mar 15, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2021, 08:53:52 PM
Quote from: Concerned Bystander on Mar 13, 2021, 07:57:22 PM
I wasn't really a huge fan of The Cold Forge, but that doesn't mean for a second that I won't be getting a hold of Into Charybdis at the soonest opportunity.  There is a hunger that must be fed, and even the worst Alien book is better than starvation.

Ah. I see we've welcomed a heathen into our ranks... :P

Make that two. TCF was a solid book but not mind-blowing in any way to me. The best thing about TCF for me was not the even a part of the book itself - but all the podcast interviews White did for it. He has a lovely, lovely personality
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 15, 2021, 12:52:26 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 15, 2021, 06:16:47 AM
Hey guys,

Been away for a while because of some crazy life stuff, but I'm stoked about the new book and the sudden glut of material being announced lately. Anyway, I wanted to share something I threw together for the love of Charybdis.  Not sure how to embed the video direct but, crank it up to 720p or 1080p when you get there and check it out. It's still a work in progress but I've been having some fun periodically adding details and experimenting with some styles. Hope you like it.

https://youtu.be/s0-0gJULVnk (https://youtu.be/s0-0gJULVnk)

See You Space Cowboys

Great work SK!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2021, 01:54:41 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 15, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2021, 08:53:52 PM
Quote from: Concerned Bystander on Mar 13, 2021, 07:57:22 PM
I wasn't really a huge fan of The Cold Forge, but that doesn't mean for a second that I won't be getting a hold of Into Charybdis at the soonest opportunity.  There is a hunger that must be fed, and even the worst Alien book is better than starvation.

Ah. I see we've welcomed a heathen into our ranks... :P

Make that two. TCF was a solid book but not mind-blowing in any way to me. The best thing about TCF for me was not the even a part of the book itself - but all the podcast interviews White did for it. He has a lovely, lovely personality

Hicks said my wife was a heathen for not liking John Wick. Pretty soon there will be enough Hicks Heathens out there to start a social group!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 15, 2021, 02:35:38 PM
I'm not wrong on either count.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 15, 2021, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 15, 2021, 06:16:47 AM
Hey guys,

Been away for a while because of some crazy life stuff, but I'm stoked about the new book and the sudden glut of material being announced lately. Anyway, I wanted to share something I threw together for the love of Charybdis.  Not sure how to embed the video direct but, crank it up to 720p or 1080p when you get there and check it out. It's still a work in progress but I've been having some fun periodically adding details and experimenting with some styles. Hope you like it.

https://youtu.be/s0-0gJULVnk (https://youtu.be/s0-0gJULVnk)

See You Space Cowboys
This is really cool!! Mind if I share it around at a few places?!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2021, 05:13:22 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 15, 2021, 06:16:47 AM
Hey guys,

Been away for a while because of some crazy life stuff, but I'm stoked about the new book and the sudden glut of material being announced lately. Anyway, I wanted to share something I threw together for the love of Charybdis.  Not sure how to embed the video direct but, crank it up to 720p or 1080p when you get there and check it out. It's still a work in progress but I've been having some fun periodically adding details and experimenting with some styles. Hope you like it.

https://youtu.be/s0-0gJULVnk (https://youtu.be/s0-0gJULVnk)

See You Space Cowboys

Really cool work here! Love this. 8)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 15, 2021, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 15, 2021, 02:35:38 PM
I'm not wrong on either count.

Word.

Cold Forge is da bomb. In fact you're a heathen for thinking Phalanx was better.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 15, 2021, 05:46:14 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 15, 2021, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 15, 2021, 02:35:38 PM
I'm not wrong on either count.

Word.

Cold Forge is da bomb. In fact you're a heathen for thinking Phalanx was better.

If I remember right, I think he might have called me a heathen once... lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2021, 06:08:21 PM
https://twitter.com/alexwhitebooks/status/1371453491965726720
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SpaceKase on Mar 15, 2021, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Mar 15, 2021, 12:52:26 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 15, 2021, 06:16:47 AM
Hey guys,

Been away for a while because of some crazy life stuff, but I'm stoked about the new book and the sudden glut of material being announced lately. Anyway, I wanted to share something I threw together for the love of Charybdis.  Not sure how to embed the video direct but, crank it up to 720p or 1080p when you get there and check it out. It's still a work in progress but I've been having some fun periodically adding details and experimenting with some styles. Hope you like it.

https://youtu.be/s0-0gJULVnk (https://youtu.be/s0-0gJULVnk)

See You Space Cowboys

Great work SK!

Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 15, 2021, 06:24:09 AM
Wow! Excellent!!!
Thank you so much!
This helps with visualisation for me a lot.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2021, 05:13:22 PM

Really cool work here! Love this. 8)

Quote from: Engineer on Mar 15, 2021, 04:26:54 PM
This is really cool!! Mind if I share it around at a few places?!

Aw thank you so much! You guys are awesome. It's been pretty fun tweaking here and there while listening to the audio, It's still a wip but yeah, please do share the nerdy love, that's what it's all about.  :D
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 15, 2021, 07:21:39 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 15, 2021, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 15, 2021, 02:35:38 PM
I'm not wrong on either count.

Word.

Cold Forge is da bomb. In fact you're a heathen for thinking Phalanx was better.

I never said better. I said as good as. Both Scott and Alex are Gods to me.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Mar 15, 2021, 07:52:06 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 15, 2021, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 15, 2021, 02:35:38 PM
I'm not wrong on either count.

Word.

Cold Forge is da bomb. In fact you're a heathen for thinking Phalanx was better.

Oh, no, you didn't ...

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 15, 2021, 08:54:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 15, 2021, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 15, 2021, 02:35:38 PM
I'm not wrong on either count.

Word.

Cold Forge is da bomb. In fact you're a heathen for thinking Phalanx was better.

I wouldn't blame anyone for preferring Phalanx. As with TCF it is also a great book.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2021, 09:02:06 PM
I'm torn between preferring The Cold Forge or Into Charybdis. Gonna need a little bit more time with both before I can decide that. But those are one and two for me, with Phalanx as number three. All three are really good, though.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 16, 2021, 05:17:22 AM
So far I like charybdis much better than the cold forge.


I have to go old school with the bantam releases though with things that I think are as good as. 

Labyrinth is one of the best Alien stories ever made, and Berserker's novelization is one of the best Aliens ones.  Though Labyrinth novelization is helped by knowing how good the original Dark Horse tpb was.  The novelization was better knowing how much creepy ass shit they captured on the comic tpb with one of the best Alien artist of the time. 

Berserker, despite being one of the most simple stories, is still pretty awesome for the mass popping of Alien heads with a battle robot that goes on but only IF you like a more Aliens style story.  It is much better than the comic. 

Both of Whites novels aren't tied into other peoples works like the Bantam books were, and it is easy to tell that much more thought goes into his world building than what went on in the Bantam books.  But that doesn't keep them from being some of my faves.   

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 16, 2021, 05:40:06 AM
Might have a new number one.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 16, 2021, 06:11:22 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 16, 2021, 05:40:06 AM
Might have a new number one.
Getting into it? :-)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 16, 2021, 09:27:49 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 16, 2021, 05:17:22 AMLabyrinth is one of the best Alien stories ever made, and Berserker's novelization is one of the best Aliens ones.

I've never quite understood the slavish love for Labyrinth. Yes, the hive flashback might be the single best bit of EU ever told, but I think the framing story is kinda dull and generic. Overall I found it really uneven. It's not bad by any meas, but it was definitely just an OK book with one standout section.

The Berserker novel's amazing though.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 16, 2021, 12:44:04 PM
Nothing holds a candle to this masterpiece though...

Spoiler
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 16, 2021, 04:15:01 PM
I think alot of it has to do with me collecting the stuff since the early nineties.  Labyrinth was one of the first to come out with a more Alien feel as opposed to an Aliens one.  It is notable for being one of the first to break the DH formula of Colonial Marines vs the Aliens (even if it had colonial marines in it).  Salvation and Sacrifice both came out close to the same time, but both always felt more inspired by the recently released Alien 3 than they did Alien.   
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 17, 2021, 01:51:43 AM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Mar 15, 2021, 06:16:47 AM
Hey guys,

Been away for a while because of some crazy life stuff, but I'm stoked about the new book and the sudden glut of material being announced lately. Anyway, I wanted to share something I threw together for the love of Charybdis.  Not sure how to embed the video direct but, crank it up to 720p or 1080p when you get there and check it out. It's still a work in progress but I've been having some fun periodically adding details and experimenting with some styles. Hope you like it.

https://youtu.be/s0-0gJULVnk (https://youtu.be/s0-0gJULVnk)

See You Space Cowboys

That's awesome, great job!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 17, 2021, 02:26:29 AM
Indeed. Most impressive!  :)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 18, 2021, 03:51:15 AM
https://twitter.com/wolfmuthur/status/1372394421686206464
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 19, 2021, 01:18:28 AM
Enjoying the podcast and I love the book. Bummer that Hicks got disconnected.


Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 19, 2021, 01:26:18 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 19, 2021, 01:18:28 AM
Enjoying the podcast and I love the book. Bummer that Hicks got disconnected.
I'm still curious what he was going to say there lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2021, 08:23:24 AM
Yeah, I wasn't at my best that night. Was so damn tired, and then a power-cut, then I couldn't remember where I was going with that.  :-\

UK general release got pushed back again. 31st of the month now. Never going to get to read the actual book. I did finish listening to the Audible and I did really enjoy it, but I struggle to pay attention to the audio books (unlike the audio dramas) so I really do want to actually hold a book in my hand and read it with my own eyes, rather than listen.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2021, 09:17:57 AM
Could you not just... read the signed on?

:P
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2021, 09:27:45 AM
I don't wanna dog-ear it!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2021, 09:31:04 AM
Read carefully :)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 19, 2021, 01:17:04 PM
Still a tricky proposition I bet if you're trying to keep it mint.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2021, 01:36:06 PM
I read mine (because sod waiting) and it's not damaged.

I wouldn't wanna keep reading it - I'll get a paperback as my re-read and reference copy - but it's definitely possible the one time without marking it, especially if you take the dust cover off.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Mar 19, 2021, 01:59:43 PM

A suggestion look for a local bookseller & see if they sell archival book jackets. They really protect the dust cover from damage. It's like milar for book cover.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 19, 2021, 02:43:13 PM
@HuDaFuK - But did you wear rubber gloves?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2021, 06:46:22 PM
I turned the pages with tweezers, and sat in a hermetically-sealed environment.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Mar 19, 2021, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 18, 2021, 03:51:15 AM
https://twitter.com/wolfmuthur/status/1372394421686206464

Listening now

Spoiler
I f**king knew that the some of the marines were based on that psycho Navy Seal who was pardoned by Trump! And that's exactly why I had no problem with the Marines portrayal here. But boy did I love to hate Duncan!
[close]

Still got like 2 hours left of this podcast but enjoying it so far!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 19, 2021, 07:33:33 PM
Spoiler
I'll take it a step further and say, not only did I "have no problem" with the Colonial Marine presentation here - I think it is the first time they've even been used in a genuinely interesting way since Cameron's film.
[close]
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2021, 07:47:11 PM
Fair.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Mar 20, 2021, 08:41:00 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2021, 09:27:45 AM
I don't wanna dog-ear it!

I read mine an it's still immaculate.

Just take the dust jacket off and take care dude.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 21, 2021, 01:55:36 AM
Only read the dust jacket.

It's how I got through academia.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 21, 2021, 02:02:35 AM
That's a good lad.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 21, 2021, 02:08:27 AM
i'm a

Spoiler
surgeont
[close]
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Mar 21, 2021, 06:57:50 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 13, 2021, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: muthur9000 on Mar 12, 2021, 07:49:39 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 01:25:03 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 08, 2021, 01:20:25 AM
Spoiler
I'm a little unsure of Blue becoming a weird rattlesnake xenomorph, I'll wait and see how it all plays out first though.
[close]

I personally was really into this particular element, but I do think it is going to split a lot of people.

Question for people that have finished the novel:

Spoiler
Maybe I missed a detail while reading, but do we know why exactly Blue chose this planet to come to in the Blackstar? If that was explained, I feel like I somehow missed that detail. I'd imagine Blue was drawn to the Engineer facility located here...

Speaking of the facility, since it was a Weyland era installation over that (rather than WY), that must have been discovered not long after the events of Prometheus. I wonder if maybe another star map led Weyland Industries here in the first place?

Also, I imagine the Blackstar is a Bowie reference, and if so, love it. 8)

EDIT: Flipping through the book again, and it seems like  the Five Months Ago conversation between Marsalis and Thien at the start of "Part III: Revenant" is the context that slipped my mind about why Blue came to Hasanova.
[close]

Spoiler
THIEN
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is me! I sent the
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GINZA Files  ;D
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Spoiler
hi THIEN! I'm the one who got the watery grave 😏
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I know that :P I was there!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Mar 21, 2021, 07:29:27 PM
Quote from: muthur9000 on Mar 21, 2021, 06:57:50 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Mar 13, 2021, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: muthur9000 on Mar 12, 2021, 07:49:39 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 08, 2021, 01:25:03 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 08, 2021, 01:20:25 AM
Spoiler
I'm a little unsure of Blue becoming a weird rattlesnake xenomorph, I'll wait and see how it all plays out first though.
[close]

I personally was really into this particular element, but I do think it is going to split a lot of people.

Question for people that have finished the novel:

Spoiler
Maybe I missed a detail while reading, but do we know why exactly Blue chose this planet to come to in the Blackstar? If that was explained, I feel like I somehow missed that detail. I'd imagine Blue was drawn to the Engineer facility located here...

Speaking of the facility, since it was a Weyland era installation over that (rather than WY), that must have been discovered not long after the events of Prometheus. I wonder if maybe another star map led Weyland Industries here in the first place?

Also, I imagine the Blackstar is a Bowie reference, and if so, love it. 8)

EDIT: Flipping through the book again, and it seems like  the Five Months Ago conversation between Marsalis and Thien at the start of "Part III: Revenant" is the context that slipped my mind about why Blue came to Hasanova.
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THIEN
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is me! I sent the
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GINZA Files  ;D
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hi THIEN! I'm the one who got the watery grave 😏
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I know that :P I was there!
I know, I was there too 😃 lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 21, 2021, 11:04:07 PM
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So it sounds like Alex meant Blue to look like Gigers alien 3 alien, specifically the one with the plates/segmented head that you pointed me to Engineer. But I could have sworn that blue had back pipes and more of a crest to her head as described in the book, also being larger than the normal Alien. Almost seemed like maybe she was changing into a full on queen? But I need to do a re-read. I need to reread TCF as well anyway.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 22, 2021, 03:26:18 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 21, 2021, 11:04:07 PM
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So it sounds like Alex meant Blue to look like Gigers alien 3 alien, specifically the one with the plates/segmented head that you pointed me to Engineer. But I could have sworn that blue had back pipes and more of a crest to her head as described in the book, also being larger than the normal Alien. Almost seemed like maybe she was changing into a full on queen? But I need to do a re-read. I need to reread TCF as well anyway.
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I don't know if she was actually changing into the Queen full on, but it absolutely part of her physical makeup via the "Queenscode."
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2021, 06:33:27 AM
Pushed back again until April! I've given up and ordered another autographed copy.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2021, 09:27:44 AM
:laugh:

BuT yOu'Ll DoG-eAr It!!1!

:P
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 24, 2021, 11:41:00 AM
Finally I get to read this thread over!

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I still one hundred percent support Blue Marsalis.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 24, 2021, 01:06:30 PM
Awesome! Can't wait to hear your thoughts :)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 24, 2021, 01:53:44 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2021, 06:33:27 AM
Pushed back again until April! I've given up and ordered another autographed copy.

Another delay? Sheesh.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2021, 09:27:44 AM
:laugh:

BuT yOu'Ll DoG-eAr It!!1!

:P

And he'll have that prestine copy in reserve in case he does!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 24, 2021, 03:07:00 PM
Gosh I don't know where to start honestly, especially because I'm half awake having stayed up all night finishing it, I nearly loved it, not to the degree of Alien The Cold Forge anyway but close, as such this will not be as formal a review as my praise for the prior.

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The facility itself's spectacular, nothing much more to say in this regard, but it will stay lodged in my memories.

I really liked Shy and perhaps hoped naively that we might get a genuine human and android relationship, that hope got erased, and I felt genuine sorrow at the way their story ultimately ended. 

But that relentlessly cruelty makes the story unpredictable in the best ways, but it comes across as genuine, as real, much like a car crash being totally apathetic, and it's fitting our first casualties of the book amounts to that in essence.

In that regard with Kamran and Reza's last interactions with each other, I have no doubt that I rushed through it in places and missed layers, like if you read back the event that lead to Reza's death in light of the email you wonder if he ignored Kamran or not because he did not respect him enough in a life or death situation or simply did not hear him.

I think Nightmare Asylum's already summarized my thoughts in a number of places and, I'd just be repeating much of what he's said in regards to this examination of the way the military industrial complex inherently causes harm as an expansionist force, and ultimately as we see in the epilogue forces friend against friend, never mind people like Duncan who actively exploit the power they hold over others, or the idealists manipulated into dying for others.

Blue Marsalis:
Such a perfect turning of our expectations on our heads, it is set up so classically, an Alien in a vent in an abandoned lab again? But with each descriptor we grow to understand that not only did it not always do what the Alien does, it saved this man, although with brutal efficiency.

But not only does it recall to me the visage of H.R Giger's abandoned concept in it's entirety with, the lips, rippling ridges, barbed tongue, and enormous bladed tail. But also with the robotic voice reminded me of the scrapped concept for the end of the original 1979 film. But perhaps that's just a coincidence.

As might surprise you I actually am fine with this being what it is, as the product of years research, and the specific circumstances of Blue's existence never to be replicated again.

It also works superbly on a number of thematic and narrative levels, Blue already existed in a form of biomechanical existence before their transformation, already living inside a body Alien to them.

The first doctor to acquire the Plagiarus Preapotens, who arguably knows it better than anyone else can ever hope to outside of a certain artificial intelligence, and even then after more funding than allotted. Blue can only barely manipulate it, with it inexorably reverting to it's default composition, apart from this once. So if this comes up again, I'm calling it nonsense, if it's not this set of specific circumstances.

I also basically did this reading of the brief but impactful return of my beloved Pathogen and Neomorph:


And this when Blue and Marcus touched through the glass:

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But yeah, I truly believe everyone's as grey as Alex White depicts deep down, in their own Charybdis:
#Bluedideverythingright
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2021, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 24, 2021, 03:07:00 PM
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It also works superbly on a number of thematic and narrative levels, Blue already existed in a form of biomechanical existence before their transformation, already living inside a body Alien to them.
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Honestly, the bit where White describes her as no more than a head attached to a bunch of machines spread around the room was the most harrowing bit of the book for me.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2021, 03:40:55 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2021, 09:27:44 AM
:laugh:

BuT yOu'Ll DoG-eAr It!!1!

:P

It's a sacrificial one!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2021, 03:50:12 PM
Less Corporal Hicks, more General Spears.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 12:23:18 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 24, 2021, 03:07:00 PM
Gosh I don't know where to start honestly, especially because I'm half awake having stayed up all night finishing it, I nearly loved it, not to the degree of Alien The Cold Forge anyway but close, as such this will not be as formal a review as my praise for the prior.

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The facility itself's spectacular, nothing much more to say in this regard, but it will stay lodged in my memories.

I really liked Shy and perhaps hoped naively that we might get a genuine human and android relationship, that hope got erased, and I felt genuine sorrow at the way their story ultimately ended. 

But that relentlessly cruelty makes the story unpredictable in the best ways, but it comes across as genuine, as real, much like a car crash being totally apathetic, and it's fitting our first casualties of the book amounts to that in essence.

In that regard with Kamran and Reza's last interactions with each other, I have no doubt that I rushed through it in places and missed layers, like if you read back the event that lead to Reza's death in light of the email you wonder if he ignored Kamran or not because he did not respect him enough in a life or death situation or simply did not hear him.

I think Nightmare Asylum's already summarized my thoughts in a number of places and, I'd just be repeating much of what he's said in regards to this examination of the way the military industrial complex inherently causes harm as an expansionist force, and ultimately as we see in the epilogue forces friend against friend, never mind people like Duncan who actively exploit the power they hold over others, or the idealists manipulated into dying for others.

Blue Marsalis:
Such a perfect turning of our expectations on our heads, it is set up so classically, an Alien in a vent in an abandoned lab again? But with each descriptor we grow to understand that not only did it not always do what the Alien does, it saved this man, although with brutal efficiency.

But not only does it recall to me the visage of H.R Giger's abandoned concept in it's entirety with, the lips, rippling ridges, barbed tongue, and enormous bladed tail. But also with the robotic voice reminded me of the scrapped concept for the end of the original 1979 film. But perhaps that's just a coincidence.

As might surprise you I actually am fine with this being what it is, as the product of years research, and the specific circumstances of Blue's existence never to be replicated again.

It also works superbly on a number of thematic and narrative levels, Blue already existed in a form of biomechanical existence before their transformation, already living inside a body Alien to them.

The first doctor to acquire the Plagiarus Preapotens, who arguably knows it better than anyone else can ever hope to outside of a certain artificial intelligence, and even then after more funding than allotted. Blue can only barely manipulate it, with it inexorably reverting to it's default composition, apart from this once. So if this comes up again, I'm calling it nonsense, if it's not this set of specific circumstances.

I also basically did this reading of the brief but impactful return of my beloved Pathogen and Neomorph:


And this when Blue and Marcus touched through the glass:

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But yeah, I truly believe everyone's as grey as Alex White depicts deep down, in their own Charybdis:
#Bluedideverythingright

I pretty much agree on all this, I have only read TCF once so I'm overdue for a revisit. But I think I prefer IC just a bit more. Alex White gets this series more than most authors imo.

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So does anyone have any ideas about where all the eggs came from? I believe the Marines fought their way into an egg chamber but there was no mention of a queen. Was AW just not interested in detailing the queens presence in the hive or maybe the aliens were going full eggmorphing? Was the hive deep in the abandoned WY facility new or was it just sealed and then opened up by the marines? Seems like their were more aliens that colonists? 🤔 maybe it's just meant to be mysterious.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2021, 02:18:54 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 12:23:18 AM
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So does anyone have any ideas about where all the eggs came from? I believe the Marines fought their way into an egg chamber but there was no mention of a queen. Was AW just not interested in detailing the queens presence in the hive or maybe the aliens were going full eggmorphing? Was the hive deep in the abandoned WY facility new or was it just sealed and then opened up by the marines? Seems like their were more aliens that colonists? 🤔 maybe it's just meant to be mysterious.
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It was unclear to me but I was almost wondering if Blue, what with her "Queenscode" and all, might be responsible for the eggs.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 02:24:28 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 25, 2021, 02:18:54 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 12:23:18 AM
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So does anyone have any ideas about where all the eggs came from? I believe the Marines fought their way into an egg chamber but there was no mention of a queen. Was AW just not interested in detailing the queens presence in the hive or maybe the aliens were going full eggmorphing? Was the hive deep in the abandoned WY facility new or was it just sealed and then opened up by the marines? Seems like their were more aliens that colonists? 🤔 maybe it's just meant to be mysterious.
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It was unclear to me but I was almost wondering if Blue, what with her "Queenscode" and all, might be responsible for the eggs.
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I thought about that but didn't think she had time during the story, maybe before the Marines arrived? She also describes them as feral at one point. Also later when they stopped listening to her I assumed it was because another queen was around.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 25, 2021, 10:06:13 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 25, 2021, 12:23:18 AM
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So does anyone have any ideas about where all the eggs came from? I believe the Marines fought their way into an egg chamber but there was no mention of a queen. Was AW just not interested in detailing the queens presence in the hive or maybe the aliens were going full eggmorphing? Was the hive deep in the abandoned WY facility new or was it just sealed and then opened up by the marines? Seems like their were more aliens that colonists? 🤔 maybe it's just meant to be mysterious.
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My immediate impression was that the eggs were always there, but thinking back on it I'm not sure that makes sense - the Iranian who gets infected clearly comes into contact with the goo, and from memory all traces of that were on the far side of the hive the Marines find.

Maybe I'll ask the question, see what White says.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2021, 11:59:36 AM
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Am I totally crazy or did Blue not refer to them as their children?

Meaning this' the result of not just Plagiarus Preapotens that your standard Facehugger carries, but the variation that your Royal Facehugger carries, hence the other Aliens recognising Blue as an authority temporarily. (I presume until a Praetorian or Queen got brought into the equation.)

If so that means just like we see suggested elsewhere, under the right conditions the standard Facehugger's capable of turning it's standard Plagiarus Preapotens into Royal Plagiarus Preapotens or as dubbed by Blue Marsalis "the Queenscode" that right?
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2021, 03:14:28 AM
I've just read the book once so there is quite possibly a passage I skimmed over and didn't register, but I always got the impression that the
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first batch of Aliens arrived on the Darkstar and were brought there by Marsalis and that there never was an Alien presence on whatever the planet designation was beforehand.  Just the goo.  Then crazy woman sets the Aliens loose and they find away to reproduce Alien Isolation style (interesting that no queen is mentioned in Isolation, Cold Forge, or Charybdis yet it seems there are growing alien populations even without them)  I also always thought that those first Aliens were the rest of the crew on whatever station they tried to pull the plug on Marsalis.  HOWEVER, I'm not sure about that since Crazy woman falls into the goo and does not mutate into a drone.  So even though you have a common denominator in the goo being in both places, you get two totally different results Marsalis and what happened to Crazy Woman.  Too me it is kind of implied that the other drones were the initial lab crew because it seems Marsalis tries to go out of her way to avoid killing unless its necessary.  I'm guessing that some of the goo got some of the crewmates infected as well and they turned and followed Marsalis as being the most dominant praetorian/baby queen whatever you want to call her.  If they weren't goo infected crew members then maybe she does have queen functions and can't help herself and infected some refueling station people somewhere or something.
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See despite me thinking White writes his creatures just like the other bug inspired Alien writers I do think he makes things more interesting in his worlds.  This is just enough implied to be a variety of different ways to have happened and lets us ask questions that don't have answers to.  Making it more interesting in discussions.   Just like the old days. 

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I think Marsalis is not done done.  The whole gathering of her body and taking it away by Rook with nobody else to see what happens is to convenient for a sequel.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 29, 2021, 09:48:53 AM
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Blue's "demise" definitely reeked of room-to-return, which I'm very cool with.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 29, 2021, 05:52:22 PM
Especially since she has become my favorite White character. 
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2021, 09:04:38 AM
Dunno, I'm a sucker for Dorian :) Guy was just such a c**t.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 30, 2021, 11:22:11 AM
Blue's King/Queen.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Gentleman Death on Mar 30, 2021, 03:41:36 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2021, 09:04:38 AM
Dunno, I'm a sucker for Dorian :) Guy was just such a c**t.

Yeah, he might just be one of my favorite characters out of the novels.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 30, 2021, 05:34:05 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 28, 2021, 03:14:28 AM
I've just read the book once so there is quite possibly a passage I skimmed over and didn't register, but I always got the impression that the
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first batch of Aliens arrived on the Darkstar and were brought there by Marsalis and that there never was an Alien presence on whatever the planet designation was beforehand.  Just the goo.  Then crazy woman sets the Aliens loose and they find away to reproduce Alien Isolation style (interesting that no queen is mentioned in Isolation, Cold Forge, or Charybdis yet it seems there are growing alien populations even without them)  I also always thought that those first Aliens were the rest of the crew on whatever station they tried to pull the plug on Marsalis.  HOWEVER, I'm not sure about that since Crazy woman falls into the goo and does not mutate into a drone.  So even though you have a common denominator in the goo being in both places, you get two totally different results Marsalis and what happened to Crazy Woman.  Too me it is kind of implied that the other drones were the initial lab crew because it seems Marsalis tries to go out of her way to avoid killing unless its necessary.  I'm guessing that some of the goo got some of the crewmates infected as well and they turned and followed Marsalis as being the most dominant praetorian/baby queen whatever you want to call her.  If they weren't goo infected crew members then maybe she does have queen functions and can't help herself and infected some refueling station people somewhere or something.
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Mfw reading this part:


Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 25, 2021, 11:59:36 AM
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Am I totally crazy or did Blue not refer to them as their children?

Meaning this' the result of not just Plagiarus Preapotens that your standard Facehugger carries, but the variation that your Royal Facehugger carries, hence the other Aliens recognising Blue as an authority temporarily. (I presume until a Praetorian or Queen got brought into the equation.)

If so that means just like we see suggested elsewhere, under the right conditions the standard Facehugger's capable of turning it's standard Plagiarus Preapotens into Royal Plagiarus Preapotens or as dubbed by Blue Marsalis "the Queenscode" that right?
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But also:

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Thought it fairly clear that the stuff our main antagonist falls into's The Pathogen from Prometheus and Alien Covenant hence falling apart and birthing a Neomorph.

Whilst Plagiarus Preapotens' specifically the fluid the Egg and Facehugger carries within to create an Alien.

And it is that named substance Blue Marsalis manipulates into "the Queenscode" not as sophisticated a name but gets the point across.

And uses on themselves.

I imagine Blue tried to reproduce the effects one way or another, biologically compelled or otherwise, but ended up inevitably creating Drones.

They obeyed Blue until one of them inevitably Ovomorphed a victim or transformed into a Praetorian or Queen.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 01, 2021, 04:53:03 AM
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I don't think there was a queen simply because such a monster would be hard for Duncan and Lee to miss as they rampaged through the hive.  My question wasn't how they were made as much when they were made.  They obviously came to the planet aboard the Darkstar, so the drones had to be egg spawed or goo spawned before the planetside instance.  It doesn't really effect the story, but it does show that Blue was up to something pre Charybdis.  Whether that was looking for other blacksites, accidently gooing people (a shootout in a laboratory never a good idea)  or maybe even escaping with some staff and then infecting them because she couldn't always not be an alien. 
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I thought the Preapotens was the black goo like harnessed to speed development through to a xenomorph?  Why would she be after it if not to use it to f**k around with her genetic coding?  Didn't david use the goo to kind of force develop the Aliens in Covenant?  And wasn't there a passage in the book where somebody tipped her off that Charybdis was a secret storage faciality of the black goo?  Wasnt it the black goo that actually turned her into the Alien?  I'll have to look at it all sometime tomorrow.  Its 11:48 pm and I got to get up at 0500 in the morning.  Part of my trouble is probably that I started Cold Forge like as soon as it came out, and then finished it like a day before Charybdis came out. In the however long time between them, I'm probably forgetting something obvious.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 01, 2021, 09:49:29 AM
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No Blue was working with the substance that the facehugger puts in your chest, only she modified it enough to become what she became.

She brought some aliens with her,  but I assume she laid a ton of eggs before the Marines arrived maybe? I think there was a couple weeks between Noah's distress signal and their arrival.

She was looking for the black goo because she thought it would be easier to work with than David's twisted version.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 01, 2021, 10:07:42 AM
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I thought that the facehugger stuff was just basically refined goo.  Like it was a finalized version that lead to the xenomorph series.  David used the goo to make the Aliens right, or do I need to watch Covenant again.  I guess I must have missed where facehugger jizz also has mutagenic properties on its own.
  Thought it had mutagenic properties because it was finalized black goo.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 01, 2021, 11:04:18 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 01, 2021, 10:07:42 AM
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I thought that the facehugger stuff was just basically refined goo.  Like it was a finalized version that lead to the xenomorph series.  David used the goo to make the Aliens right, or do I need to watch Covenant again.  I guess I must have missed where facehugger jizz also has mutagenic properties on its own.
  Thought it had mutagenic properties because it was finalized black goo.
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The face hugger jizz is David's version of the goo, but it's been twisted and only creates aliens. Blue tried to change it but what she used on herself was the most she could manipulate it without access to the original pre-david black goo... I believe.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 01, 2021, 11:34:44 AM
Exactly yes.

Plagiarus Preapotens (or the powerful mimic) to use AVP Extinction terminology either goes Transbreed or Purebreed, the former giving you either a Drone/Runner/Warrior/Defender, the other giving you a Praetorian or Queen.

The Pathogen itself's more open to manipulation provided you can obstruct it performing it's function.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SpaceKase on Apr 01, 2021, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 01, 2021, 09:49:29 AM
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No Blue was working with the substance that the facehugger puts in your chest, only she modified it enough to become what she became.

She brought some aliens with her,  but I assume she laid a ton of eggs before the Marines arrived maybe? I think there was a couple weeks between Noah's distress signal and their arrival.

She was looking for the black goo because she thought it would be easier to work with than David's twisted version.
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The Midnighters were the tip of the spear in a three year long covert operation to reclaim the world of the Hassanova colony in a way that could be deemed legal by the international community. The arrival of Matsushita aboard the Benning was timed to coincide with the arrival of the Gardenia at the Hassanova colony. The Benning was waiting at a holding point just out of the system, at Sulaco speeds about 4 light years distant or so, and they were just waiting for the inevitable distress call from the American contractors, which they got two weeks later.

Once they received the anticipated call, the Benning arrived two days later to commence the operation under the guise of a hostage rescue situation, but with the intention to clear out and occupy the colony and the research facility in the ruins beneath for the UA in joint operation with corporate sponsorship from WY. 

There were a ton of eggs found in cryostasis aboard the Blackstar beside where Kamran was found after Blue dragged him over from the old Weyland lab. Their origins are uncertain, and I have to review some more myself, but I think it's implied that Father and Blue were flying around in the three years since the theft of the Blackstar attacking secret facilities Zula and Davis style, working from information found in Seegson/WY databanks. Blue was pillaging bio samples and specimens anywhere she could find them, altruistically to remove them from the playing field but also selfishly to further her own research. She and Father were lead to HCC by mysterious Thien who provided them with the Ginza file and its information about the massive Engineer site beneath the current colony. So potentially she could have laid some of the eggs herself, but she and Father had also been hunting them and stockpiling them along with the drones they picked up along the way.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 01, 2021, 04:48:24 PM
Thank you for the extensive breakdown.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SpaceKase on Apr 01, 2021, 05:21:00 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 01, 2021, 04:48:24 PM
Thank you for the extensive breakdown.

Oh thank you, that's very sweet. I'm just an obsessive nerd, but what good people around these parts aren't?

Not too extensive, I'm still not sure who's the puppet master yet, but I think it's
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Thien, they provided the info to Haroun in mid July and they contacted Blue in March and lured her out to Hassanova. Given how fervent Haroun's cousin was about Thien's legitimacy, it made me wonder if they were a shadowy cult organization that Harouns cousin was a member of, but given that Mitchell told Matsushita that the CIA was about to make contact with Blue earlier in the year, I'm wondering if Thien was just the CIA's sockpuppet. But given the universe it could very well be both, there's a lot of culty weirdos out there obsessed with the Aliens.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Apr 01, 2021, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Apr 01, 2021, 05:21:00 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 01, 2021, 04:48:24 PM
Thank you for the extensive breakdown.

Oh thank you, that's very sweet. I'm just an obsessive nerd, but what good people around these parts aren't?

Not too extensive, I'm still not sure who's the puppet master yet, but I think it's
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Thein, they provided the info to Haroun in mid July and they contacted Blue and lured her out to Hassanova. Given how fervent Haroun's cousin was about Thein's legitimacy, it made me wonder if they were a shadowy cult organization that Harouns cousin was a member of, but given that Mitchell told Matsushita that the CIA was about to make contact with Blue earlier in the year, I'm wondering if Thein was just the CIA's sockpuppet. But given the universe it could very well be both, there's a lot of culty weirdos out there obsessed with the Aliens.
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The Esoteric Brotherhood of Tulitu compels you...
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SpaceKase on Apr 01, 2021, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Apr 01, 2021, 07:19:48 PM

The Esoteric Brotherhood of Tulitu compels you...

Praise be to Tulitu the great and mighty! Lord of the Great Void! Master of the Star-Ocean!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Apr 01, 2021, 07:52:32 PM
Lol I love that little one-shot.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 01, 2021, 07:53:13 PM
Thank you guys for clearing all this up! Lots of bits I must have missed.

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Still finding the events around the eggs a little murky though.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SpaceKase on Apr 02, 2021, 01:40:33 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 01, 2021, 07:53:13 PM
Thank you guys for clearing all this up! Lots of bits I must have missed.

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Still finding the events around the eggs a little murky though.
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I got the chance to check again and Duncan does say that she transferred the egg crates from the Blackstar to the bottom levels using the dropships and the crab robots. Doesn't answer all the questions but it answers some.
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Quote from: Engineer on Apr 01, 2021, 07:52:32 PM
Lol I love that little one-shot.

Right? Who needs color, it's the best.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 01:51:22 AM
Thanks! That does clear up a lot.. Maybe I shouldn't have read it so quickly lol

Need to dedicate some time to re-reading both TCF and IC.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Apr 02, 2021, 01:55:09 AM
I think the B&W comics are some of the best in the series tbh
Helps create more atmosphere/mood
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 02:00:21 AM
Aliens: Special is an old favorite of mine. I've always loved the cover and the short stories were really good. Elder Gods is probably one of my favorite DH alien stories
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SpaceKase on Apr 02, 2021, 02:05:51 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 01:51:22 AM
Thanks! That does clear up a lot.. Maybe I shouldn't have read it so quickly lol

Need to dedicate some time to re-reading both TCF and IC.

The book is Crazy dense. I've been kinda looping the audio while doing chores and exercising and what not, it's taken quite a bit to lay it all out. Plus Alex is really good at dropping super revelatory tidbits and then immediately having a distraction pop up so both the character and us get caught up in the ensuing action and forget the subtle little thing that was just discovered or mentioned. It's good narrative sleight of hand.

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I'm still unclear on who sent Shy the spoofed Don't Trust email, though I'm pretty sure it was Blue, but how and why she chose Shy or Kamran as people of interest I'm less clear on, I've got to put together a timeline for Blue, I think she's been downstairs in the basement for months while she sent Father out on other missions, but I'm not sure how her ship escaped the colony's notice when it first arrived and then took off again. Maybe she hacked into the security system the first time and arranged a little outage. I almost thought for a moment she was up to her old tricks hacking into the Gardenia's Marcus before the crew woke up and Nouh shut off Marcus's WiFi connection. I also wondered for a hot minute if she was controlling the Marcus when he was putting his hand up to the glass and then caused his little disruption with Matsushita and the keycard. I've gotta retrace the action though. Always fun when there's mysteries to uncover.
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Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 02:00:21 AM
Aliens: Special is an old favorite of mine. I've always loved the cover and the short stories were really good. Elder Gods is probably one of my favorite DH alien stories

Totally agreed. "45 Seconds" is great too, but with regards to b&w stories, me and the partner recently got hooked on Westworld so "Tourist Season" also plays a special place in our hearts. I appreciated that Clara put a WW homage into the RPG map, Delos has a bit of a legacy insofar as fictional star maps go.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 03, 2021, 01:20:04 PM
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Definitely Blue Marsalis considering the way they speak later in the story.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SpaceKase on Apr 03, 2021, 04:46:52 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 03, 2021, 01:20:04 PM
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Definitely Blue Marsalis considering the way they speak later in the story.
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You mean because of the way M types? I agree with that, but why do you think M would target Shy specifically? Or do you think they were just trying to ward off the Gardenia from the colony in general and Shy's address just happened to be the one that M spoofed?

Maybe M hacked into Rezza's e-mail and found the correspondence he had with Shy before they left Earth.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Apr 03, 2021, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Apr 02, 2021, 02:05:51 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 01:51:22 AM
Thanks! That does clear up a lot.. Maybe I shouldn't have read it so quickly lol

Need to dedicate some time to re-reading both TCF and IC.

The book is Crazy dense. I've been kinda looping the audio while doing chores and exercising and what not, it's taken quite a bit to lay it all out. Plus Alex is really good at dropping super revelatory tidbits and then immediately having a distraction pop up so both the character and us get caught up in the ensuing action and forget the subtle little thing that was just discovered or mentioned. It's good narrative sleight of hand.

Spoiler
I'm still unclear on who sent Shy the spoofed Don't Trust email, though I'm pretty sure it was Blue, but how and why she chose Shy or Kamran as people of interest I'm less clear on, I've got to put together a timeline for Blue, I think she's been downstairs in the basement for months while she sent Father out on other missions, but I'm not sure how her ship escaped the colony's notice when it first arrived and then took off again. Maybe she hacked into the security system the first time and arranged a little outage. I almost thought for a moment she was up to her old tricks hacking into the Gardenia's Marcus before the crew woke up and Nouh shut off Marcus's WiFi connection. I also wondered for a hot minute if she was controlling the Marcus when he was putting his hand up to the glass and then caused his little disruption with Matsushita and the keycard. I've gotta retrace the action though. Always fun when there's mysteries to uncover.
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Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 02:00:21 AM
Aliens: Special is an old favorite of mine. I've always loved the cover and the short stories were really good. Elder Gods is probably one of my favorite DH alien stories

Totally agreed. "45 Seconds" is great too, but with regards to b&w stories, me and the partner recently got hooked on Westworld so "Tourist Season" also plays a special place in our hearts. I appreciated that Clara put a WW homage into the RPG map, Delos has a bit of a legacy insofar as fictional star maps go.

You should checkout "countdown" not to be confused with 45 seconds. Countdown is another short B&W story. Incredible art imo. Ties in to the original 2 comic series too if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SpaceKase on Apr 03, 2021, 05:49:11 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Apr 03, 2021, 05:24:35 PM

You should checkout "countdown" not to be confused with 45 seconds. Countdown is another short B&W story. Incredible art imo. Ties in to the original 2 comic series too if I'm not mistaken.

I love Countdown! Smooth as Silk...  Didn't Mike Richardson the founder of Dark Horse himself write that one? Den Beauvais has some gorgeous panels in that one my favorite is the "...obstacles." reveal panel.

I have this ambition to do an audio drama adaptation someday and I put together a little timeline with the 5 or so comic series that make up the whole Earth War saga just to properly lay out the narrative. The countdown story is dead center in it. I put it chronologically into the early panels of Nightmare Asylum where Hicks,Wilks, Hicks is agonizing over the random transmissions out of Earth.

I'm reeeeally hoping Marvel republishes that story in a decent format in one of their upcoming collections, Den's art is really gorgeous in black & white.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Apr 03, 2021, 06:25:32 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Apr 03, 2021, 05:49:11 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Apr 03, 2021, 05:24:35 PM

You should checkout "countdown" not to be confused with 45 seconds. Countdown is another short B&W story. Incredible art imo. Ties in to the original 2 comic series too if I'm not mistaken.

I love Countdown! Smooth as Silk...  Didn't Mike Richardson the founder of Dark Horse himself write that one? Den Beauvais has some gorgeous panels in that one my favorite is the "...obstacles." reveal panel.

I have this ambition to do an audio drama adaptation someday and I put together this little comic remix with the 5 or so comic series that make up the whole Earth War saga just to properly lay out the narrative. The countdown story is dead center in it. I put it chronologically into the early panels of Nightmare Asylum where Hicks,Wilks, Hicks is agonizing over the random transmissions out of Earth.

I'm reeeeally hoping Marvel republishes that story in a decent format in one of their upcoming collections, Den's art is really gorgeous in black & white.
There's a chance it might be in the marvel omnibus vol 2. Haven't confirmed it yet though.
I got lucky and nabbed a copy a few years back. Took me 10 years of searching to finally get a copy though. Totally worth it.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 03, 2021, 06:38:55 PM
I have my aliens magazine copies, took me forever to find the part that is separate from the magazine. When I bought that issue originally I was so bummed when the countdown mini issue wasn't included. When I finally acquired it though,, it was totally worth it, beautiful art.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Apr 03, 2021, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 03, 2021, 06:38:55 PM
I have my aliens magazine copies, took me forever to find the part that is separate from the magazine. When I bought that issue originally I was so bummed when the countdown mini issue wasn't included. When I finally acquired it though,, it was totally worth it, beautiful art.
The aliens magazine copy is the one I have too. Even luckier for me I got it, since I live in the US lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 03, 2021, 10:36:59 PM
Me too, rural northern Michigan here  :)

Had to buy the mini on ebay
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2021, 06:44:53 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 03, 2021, 06:38:55 PMI have my aliens magazine copies, took me forever to find the part that is separate from the magazine. When I bought that issue originally I was so bummed when the countdown mini issue wasn't included.

Not only did I manage to get a copy of the issue with Countdown included, it still has the original cellophane belt that attaches it to the magazine.

f**king love Aliens mag.

Quote from: SpaceKase on Apr 02, 2021, 02:05:51 AMThe book is Crazy dense. I've been kinda looping the audio while doing chores and exercising and what not, it's taken quite a bit to lay it all out. Plus Alex is really good at dropping super revelatory tidbits and then immediately having a distraction pop up so both the character and us get caught up in the ensuing action and forget the subtle little thing that was just discovered or mentioned. It's good narrative sleight of hand.

No shit! I've read it three times and even on the third time I was twigging connections I hadn't made previously.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Apr 05, 2021, 06:50:05 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2021, 06:44:53 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 03, 2021, 06:38:55 PMI have my aliens magazine copies, took me forever to find the part that is separate from the magazine. When I bought that issue originally I was so bummed when the countdown mini issue wasn't included.

Not only did I manage to get a copy of the issue with Countdown included, it still has the original cellophane belt that attaches it to the magazine.

f**king love Aliens mag.

Quote from: SpaceKase on Apr 02, 2021, 02:05:51 AMThe book is Crazy dense. I've been kinda looping the audio while doing chores and exercising and what not, it's taken quite a bit to lay it all out. Plus Alex is really good at dropping super revelatory tidbits and then immediately having a distraction pop up so both the character and us get caught up in the ensuing action and forget the subtle little thing that was just discovered or mentioned. It's good narrative sleight of hand.

No shit! I've read it three times and even on the third time I was twigging connections I hadn't made previously.

Geez! I'm feeling even luckier now! Mine still has the cellophane belt too! Lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 05, 2021, 07:53:41 PM
Mine are definitely not in good condition  :laugh: they're not horrible but a long way from mint.  Found most of them on mycomicshop.com between 2016-2018.

I have still never been able to find issue 22 though  :-\

My white whale lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2021, 09:14:19 PM
Got the full set, including the Trident ones, although admittedly I only have those because the only copy of that first Dark Horse issue I ever found for sale was bundled with the rest of Volume 1.

Ironically a bunch of the Volume 2 issues I bought shipped from the US.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 05, 2021, 09:34:10 PM
Yeah I haven't even bothered with Volume 1, I've never seen them available anywhere.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Apr 05, 2021, 09:35:53 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 05, 2021, 07:53:41 PM
Mine are definitely not in good condition  :laugh: they're not horrible but a long way from mint.  Found most of them on mycomicshop.com between 2016-2018.

I have still never been able to find issue 22 though  :-\

My white whale lol

I've got volume 2, issue 22 :-)

I don't have any issues from volume 1. All of mine are from volume 2: issues 1, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21 and 22.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 06, 2021, 08:22:38 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 05, 2021, 09:34:10 PMYeah I haven't even bothered with Volume 1, I've never seen them available anywhere.

The last issue of Volume 1, the one Dark Horse did (#17), is worth trying to get. There's an interesting piece about the development of Alien 3 in it, including all the directors and scripts that were attached. But like I said, I only ever saw the one copy for sale and I had to get all of Volume 1 to get it. Otherwise the earlier Trident issues are a bit pointless if you already have the comics, there's nothing else in them.

I never had any trouble getting the final issue of the run (#22). I know publication figures were well down by then though. Guess I just got lucky and there happened to be one available when I got into buying them. Anyway, happy hunting. If you wanna know what's in it, have a look here (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Aliens_(1991_magazine)).

Every time the subject of this magazine comes up I get sad that it petered out like it did :( It was so good while it was going.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Mister T on Apr 07, 2021, 06:06:06 PM
I read it the day it was released.  It was ok.  Not fantastic, not terrible; just ok.  I've read EVERY Alien universe book that's been published (though not the comics - I've never read a comic in my life and I'm 45) and this is definitely on the better side.  Cold forge was a little better, I think.  And as far as authors go, I prefer Tim Lebbons storytelling voice.

I'm not sad to have paid retail for this book.  It was a one sitting read for me (medically retired army veteran with limited mobility), and it kept me entertained, though not enthralled.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 09, 2021, 05:42:25 AM
Another push back. Apparently the hard-back is April 23rd, and the paperback is Feb 2022 now. Wtf is going on with this book's release outside the States.  :o
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SpaceKase on Apr 09, 2021, 11:36:52 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 09, 2021, 05:42:25 AM
Another push back. Apparently the hard-back is April 23rd, and the paperback is Feb 2022 now. Wtf is going on with this book's release outside the States.  :o

That's so bizarre, is the audiobook unavailable to you guys as well? Are they trying to do a 4-26 cross promotion thing to make a big splash since the merger? CBS/Paramount was leaning hard into their ST First Contact day this year. I'm sure that May the 4th will be replete with High Republic stuff. In honor of the new dystopia, welcome to the era corporate holidays all around!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Apr 09, 2021, 11:36:57 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 09, 2021, 05:42:25 AM
Another push back. Apparently the hard-back is April 23rd, and the paperback is Feb 2022 now. Wtf is going on with this book's release outside the States.  :o

Isn't Titan a British company? Really weird that they keep pushing the release back like that. Also, Infiltrator is releasing April 20th so hopefully that doesn't push back its release as well.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 10, 2021, 03:26:08 PM
That's the thing. Doesn't look like Infiltrator is going to be effected. I've already got a copy on my shelf. Wonder if it's something to do with the hardback printers.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SpaceKase on Apr 10, 2021, 07:43:02 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 10, 2021, 03:26:08 PM
That's the thing. Doesn't look like Infiltrator is going to be effected. I've already got a copy on my shelf. Wonder if it's something to do with the hardback printers.

Aw man, bury the lead why don't ya? What's the verdict on Infiltrator?  On a scale of Isolation (novel) to Cold Forge, where are we at?

A bit north of Prototype or a bit south?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 10, 2021, 08:11:22 PM
No verdict yet I'm afraid. Been reading Charybdis.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 10, 2021, 08:16:49 PM
It's not out for another ten days here.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 12, 2021, 05:28:50 AM
Yeah, the retailer got it earlier.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 18, 2021, 06:17:50 PM
Since this is the active Alex White thread I'll post here.

Got some audiobooks, and started with The Cold Forge since it gets such rave reviews.

Honestly, I'm not feeling it. I suspect already knowing most of the science/worldbuilding before going in has diminished it somewhat, but it's more than that. So far it feels like there's only two "real" characters (you know which two I mean) while everyone else are just props or shadows. Possibly appropriate given that both "real" characters are psychopathic to greater or lesser extents, but it's not much fun to sit through.

"Patrick Bateman in space" is a fun idea for the franchise in theory, but frankly I'm already over Dorian and his gimmick, and I'm really struggling with Blue on several levels. If this were a physical book and not an audio file, I think I'd have given up on it by now.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Apr 18, 2021, 07:41:38 PM
Man, I'm shocked. I myself felt that book was a little bit over-hyped but still enjoyed it a lot

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Does TQ know about your feelings ?
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 18, 2021, 07:42:47 PM
Yes, she's not especially bothered.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 18, 2021, 09:10:00 PM
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Blue
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becomes more interesting in the sequel, which is by far a better book imo.

I think my feelings on everything Alien prequel inspired are well known, including the black goo concept, but I am actually looking forward to White's future content in the universe despite so many tie ins to prequel concepts and hope fox doesn't nuke the continuity whenever they start playing with Alien movies.

I did feel the first book was way overrated.  It isn't terrible, but it isn't great either.  My main gripe was also that there are two primary characters, and both of them are pretty uninteresting. 

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 18, 2021, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 18, 2021, 09:10:00 PM
My main gripe was also that there are two primary characters, and both of them are pretty uninteresting. 

Bingo. Dorian starts as a believable manipulative monster but is twirling his moustache like a low rent Megatron after a few chapters. Blue is a unique combination of traits and situations, elements of which can be challenging, but is ultimately dull as dishwater to read imo.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 24, 2021, 06:32:45 AM
I'm going to be chatting to Alex next week. If you have any questions you'd like to submit, you know the drill!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 24, 2021, 11:19:20 AM
Was the basic story his idea or did it come from the suits?

Was it his intention from the start to go full Aliens with this, after the more Alien style of his first book?

Where did the eggs come from? The Blackstar, a Queen we never see or eggmorphing?

And lastly - can you write every Alien book from now on pls.

(The last one is a joke. Sort of.)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 24, 2021, 01:46:04 PM
It seems White is writing his Alien stories with a series in mind.  Has there been any hesitation by Disney/Marvel etc to continue the story as they settle into making the new tv series and the direction it is going to go in, or is this like the old EU where there wasn't much colloboration with what was going on with the print media vs the films?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Miguel on Apr 24, 2021, 01:48:11 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 24, 2021, 06:32:45 AM
I'm going to be chatting to Alex next week. If you have any questions you'd like to submit, you know the drill!

I know he said no in another interview, but ask him again if Titan Books is planning for him to write any more novels. :P
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 24, 2021, 06:08:06 PM
He's mentioned in the past that The Cold Forge existed in conversation with Alien, Into Charybdis with Aliens, so of course then the following potential story will be in conversation with Alien³ I am curious what that means.

Especially because I felt that The Cold Forge's as close as it gets to Alien³ with a cast of mostly unlikable people rooted around one decent person to hold onto trapped in a prison.

I felt Into Charybdis did Alien in it's first half with following the tightly knit crew, that then actually turns into Aliens halfway through, and I actually felt the end of it set up:
Spoiler
Alien Resurrection with Father or even a direct tackling of the unexplored Auton Rebellion?
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I personally hope we will see
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Blue's redemption
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arc continue?

Even if I worry it might undo the poetic ending of the last entry.

And we got a hint of it near the ending of the last entry but can you please tackle The Pathogen full on in the following one? You appear to really "get it"
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By that I mean follow the facts told to us in the films instead of just doing whatever.
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and the differences between it and Plagiarus Preapotens might be interesting to explore more. Perhaps go back to LV-223 or "Planet 4" if you get the go ahead.

I think your books ought to be treated with the utmost respect and I hope the higher ups also see the value in them, in that respect do you worry at all at the possibility of people working on the films or other parts of Alien will contradict your stuff, or do you ultimately think of them as existing just unto themselves?

Please can you get on the phone with Noah Hawley and be on his writing team?

And finally can we get a hardback release of The Cold Forge with an illustrated cover?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 25, 2021, 02:04:32 PM
Also, I finally finished my review.

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/alien-into-charybdis/
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 25, 2021, 03:02:48 PM
Nice review Hicks!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Apr 25, 2021, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 25, 2021, 02:04:32 PM
Also, I finally finished my review.

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/alien-into-charybdis/

Great review Hicks! Here's to hoping that Titan gives Alex another book to round out a trilogy!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 25, 2021, 04:59:40 PM
Good review!

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To me Elden and "the Alpha" featured in Marvel's Alien exist as perfect examples of the other end of the spectrum of what not to do.

I think Alex White did it absolutely perfectly, and part of that's definitely the unique circumstances of Blue Marsalis that can not be replicated, in addition to an understanding of Plagiarus Preapotens and the Pathogen I do not expect many other authors to replicate.

All in all it's good stuff.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 25, 2021, 05:10:08 PM
After thinking about it, the introduction of the black goo in prometheus would actually be something that Marvel would eat up. 


Its like the super soldier serum in the rest of the marvel verse.  It can give you Captain America.  It can give you U.S. Agent ( a stronger but psychologically unstable Captain America) and it can give you Sentry.  A being with the power of 1,000,000 exploding suns. 

Because black goo has murky properties and effects, it actually fits the EU much better than just about anything else the franchise has brought with it.  I wouldn't be surprised if black goo infested supervillians make a cross over into the Marvel comics. 

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 25, 2021, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 25, 2021, 05:10:08 PM
After thinking about it, the introduction of the black goo in prometheus would actually be something that Marvel would eat up. 


Its like the super soldier serum in the rest of the marvel verse.  It can give you Captain America.  It can give you U.S. Agent ( a stronger but psychologically unstable Captain America) and it can give you Sentry.  A being with the power of 1,000,000 exploding suns. 

Because black goo has murky properties and effects, it actually fits the EU much better than just about anything else the franchise has brought with it.  I wouldn't be surprised if black goo infested supervillians make a cross over into the Marvel comics.

I can't unsee this now...   :-\
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Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 25, 2021, 05:34:48 PM
I was thinking that it wouldn't be a good fit for Marvel initially................but I am beggining to think I'm wrong.


Of course I doubt many novelist will go that route.  But comic book authors will eat that shit up. 
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 25, 2021, 05:59:02 PM
Don't give them ideas Kimmy!

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Apr 25, 2021, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 25, 2021, 05:34:48 PM
I was thinking that it wouldn't be a good fit for Marvel initially................but I am beggining to think I'm wrong.


Of course I doubt many novelist will go that route.  But comic book authors will eat that shit up.

Royal Jelly/Xeno-Zip?
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 25, 2021, 09:40:56 PM
It's pottery.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 26, 2021, 01:35:18 AM
Quote from: muthur9000 on Apr 25, 2021, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 25, 2021, 05:34:48 PM
I was thinking that it wouldn't be a good fit for Marvel initially................but I am beggining to think I'm wrong.


Of course I doubt many novelist will go that route.  But comic book authors will eat that shit up.

Royal Jelly/Xeno-Zip?

I suppose there is the royal jelly, but the difference is that one is backed up by film while the other has always been eu.
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Post by: Xenoscream on Apr 27, 2021, 11:57:32 AM
I really liked the book, great read. I did have a few niggles.

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In Alien 3 it was like there was only one alien left, in this the marines have been on over 20 combat drops against the Aliens - they are all over the place! I just felt the Aliens should be a bit rarer.

The bit at the end when Duncan goes into the hive and thinks that she was going to kill the scientist anyway; why the hell did she go into the hive then? She originally just wanted to escape. Seems out of character for her not to just kill the guy and nuke the place as planned.

Where is the queen, why is Duncan not thinking "we need to kill the queen", yes there are eggs on blues ship, but surely not the 100s needed to produce all of those aliens.

I felt there was a bit of a missed opportunity to tell a more protracted story about the hive build up e.g. like the fall of Hadleys hope, felt like just slaughtering 300 colonists with literally 2 people making past the first hour or so was a bit too quick.

What were the baby aliens "child size"?

Don't want to sound too negative so I'll say I loved all of the characters, and thought the Blue thing worked really well, her POV chapters were some of my favourites.

I was sad that Shy got killed :-(

Who was trying to warn Blue?

Black goo everwhere, what happened to the guy who was infected in the cryotube?

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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 27, 2021, 04:50:50 PM
I don't have all the answers but here goes nothing:

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I agree on the rarity thing but I think that part's that way to be consistent with Alien The RPG and Fireteam.

I do not know if we get enough information from their perspective to come to a conclusion on that apart from being unable to leave once the dropship got destroyed.

Because no Queen exists for the majority of the story, it is implied in my view that ovomorphing's occurring instead until one comes along, that's why Blue Marsalis' got authority over them for the majority of the story because being derived from "the Queenscode" makes them Alien Royalty, until a true Praetorian or a true Queen comes along and overrides their commands. 

I imagine it is whatever the stage that comes after the Chestburster stage but before the adult stage.

I do not remember someone trying to warn them but Blue Marsalis I believe actually sent Cheyenne Hunt a warning.

Blue Marsalis effectively amputated Kamran Afghanzadeh to stop the Pathogen reaching the rest of his body and then put him in stasis in case.
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Hope that cleared up things for you then.
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Post by: Xenoscream on Apr 27, 2021, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 27, 2021, 04:50:50 PM
I don't have all the answers but here goes nothing:


Hope that cleared up things for you then.

Appreciate the reply:

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If I remember correctly Duncan has already crashed the dropship when she is saying "let's get off this rock" and then the scientist talks her down over the radio; just didn't really make sense to me that she had the intention of killing him but still went down into the hive.

The guy who got infected with the black goo early in the story is put into stasis, and then ends up in a tube next to the Kamran defrosting, but that's the last we hear of him; maybe a trimed plot thread.

I like your idea about Blue losing control of the Aliens because a Queen is born / matures; would make a lot of sense to why she can no longer boss them around.

Only nickpicks I really liked the book overall, I think it's pretty close to being on par with cold forge for me, I like them both for different reasons - so actually a great endorsement of Alex White's range.

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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Prez on May 13, 2021, 06:45:03 AM
I'm about a 1/3 of the way through on the audiobook.
Took me a while longer to get into that Cold Forge but I will say this ... Alex White is the master at world and character building. Totally immersed in this now and I'm just at the bit where
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the mysterious ship arrived as our contractors were being held captive
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on May 13, 2021, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: Prez on May 13, 2021, 06:45:03 AM
Alex White is the master at world and character building.

The reason why I would probably have to say the first third might have been my favorite part of the book! :)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Prez on May 18, 2021, 06:58:45 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 13, 2021, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: Prez on May 13, 2021, 06:45:03 AM
Alex White is the master at world and character building.

The reason why I would probably have to say the first third might have been my favorite part of the book! :)

Funny you say that Voodoo as here I am thinking that same thing - I'm so hooked on just finding out more about these characters and their lives that I almost forgot this was an Alien book.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on May 18, 2021, 12:49:27 PM
Quote from: Prez on May 18, 2021, 06:58:45 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 13, 2021, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: Prez on May 13, 2021, 06:45:03 AM
Alex White is the master at world and character building.

The reason why I would probably have to say the first third might have been my favorite part of the book! :)

Funny you say that Voodoo as here I am thinking that same thing - I'm so hooked on just finding out more about these characters and their lives that I almost forgot this was an Alien book.

Indeed!

I hope the approach to the upcoming FX Alien series is handled in the same way, and without a mandate that a xeno must be in every episode.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 19, 2021, 12:54:32 PM
"If you look at what Alien tends to be, it's usually a trapped story – trapped in a colony, trapped in a prison, etc. And because the Alien has this life cycle to it, where it goes from egg, to chestburster, to xenomorph, there becomes a certain routine to it."

"I thought it would be interesting if you could expand. If you're going to make something for television, you've got 10 hours let's say. Even if you have a lot of action, like two hours, then you're still going to have eight hours left. So what is the show about? That's what I tried to talk to them about. As I did with Legion, the exercise is: Let's take the superhero stuff out of the show and see if it's still a great show. What's the show about?"

"Let's take the Alien out of the show. What's the show about? What are the themes, who are the characters and what is the human drama? Then we drop the aliens back in and we go, This is great. Not only is there great human drama, but there's aliens!" -Noah Hawley

So hopefully yes he's on a similar wavelength.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2021, 01:37:55 PM
Let's hope!  :)

I'm less worried about Noah and more the suits he works for. I can imagine something like this being interjected... We screened the pilot. Where's the Aliens? You wouldn't air an episode of The Walking Dead without showing some zombies would you?!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 19, 2021, 01:40:29 PM
Alien's got the benefit of Noah Hawley being able to hold his ground by pointing to the box office returns of Prometheus any time that question's asked.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on May 19, 2021, 01:41:06 PM
Given the success that Fargo and Legion have been for the service, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that, if Hawley has an interesting idea, that Hulu/FX are relatively hands-off on whatever it is he has up his sleeve here.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
Or I guess Noah can bounce back and forth in time to satisfy such a quota in the narrative.

Meaning he show some pulse-pounding Xeno scene, then cuts to a "12 Months Earlier" subtitle, and continues from there, etc.
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Post by: Mister T on May 20, 2021, 03:02:57 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 09, 2021, 05:42:25 AM
Another push back. Apparently the hard-back is April 23rd, and the paperback is Feb 2022 now. Wtf is going on with this book's release outside the States.  :o

The worlds publishers don't like you Limeys, apparently...
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: [cancerblack] on May 22, 2021, 08:42:49 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
Or I guess Noah can bounce back and forth in time to satisfy such a quota in the narrative.

Meaning he show some pulse-pounding Xeno scene, then cuts to a "12 Months Earlier" subtitle, and continues from there, etc.

I'm predicting more of an A plot and B plot that eventually collide.
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Post by: Prez on May 25, 2021, 06:19:37 AM
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Wow. Just got up to the bit where Cheyenne just got knocked off. Alex sure doesn't mind killing off key characters ...
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on May 25, 2021, 11:52:33 AM
Quote from: Prez on May 25, 2021, 06:19:37 AM
Spoiler
Wow. Just got up to the bit where Cheyenne just got knocked off. Alex sure doesn't mind killing off key characters ...
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Yeah, it's a real refreshing approach. No one is safe.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 25, 2021, 12:59:45 PM
I never saw it coming. Absolutely loved that moment.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 25, 2021, 01:07:22 PM
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There were a few "Oh shit!" shock deaths in this.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 25, 2021, 01:09:30 PM
Honestly, I had a quite a few "oh shit" moments not related to

Spoiler
deaths!
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Prez on May 25, 2021, 01:39:03 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 25, 2021, 01:09:30 PM
Honestly, I had a quite a few "oh shit" moments not related to

Spoiler
deaths!
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BLUE MARSALIS!!! HOLY SHIT!!! I need to stop coming to this thread until I finish this book ...  ;D
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on May 25, 2021, 02:09:50 PM
Quote from: Prez on May 25, 2021, 01:39:03 PM
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BLUE MARSALIS!!! HOLY SHIT!!! I need to stop coming to this thread until I finish this book ...  ;D
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Yes, that.

The very concept I loathe became the thing I loved.

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on May 26, 2021, 02:01:58 AM
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It honestly saved Blue's character for me.  I could kind of see it coming about midway through the first book but didn't think she would actually become Alien.  I thought Blue and whats his nuts weirdo killer dude from the first book were so boring that it was a pleasant surprise reading chapters she was involved in in this one.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: guymelfe on May 27, 2021, 02:31:16 AM
How political is this book? I'm curious given that it clearly has modern parallels and frankly I'm so sick of politics I don't want it in my leisure activities whether I agree with it or not.
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Post by: Kimarhi on May 27, 2021, 02:55:18 AM
There are times when you think it is going to get political but then White kind of turns it on its head with a counterpoint. 

I'd say it is slightly left leaning but not super left that it is unreadable. 
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Post by: guymelfe on May 27, 2021, 03:09:01 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on May 27, 2021, 02:55:18 AM
There are times when you think it is going to get political but then White kind of turns it on its head with a counterpoint. 

I'd say it is slightly left leaning but not super left that it is unreadable.

So Iranians are the "good guys" and America bad, yes?
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Post by: Engineer on May 27, 2021, 03:40:23 AM
Quote from: guymelfe on May 27, 2021, 02:31:16 AM
How political is this book? I'm curious given that it clearly has modern parallels and frankly I'm so sick of politics I don't want it in my leisure activities whether I agree with it or not.
The parallels you're seeing, are coincidental. Alex started writing this long before the recent instances that put Iran in the headlines.

And the Iranians are not the bad guys... the Americans aren't the bad guys either; well, not all of the Americans anyway. The bad guys are American, but there's plenty of good guys who are also American.
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Post by: Gentleman Death on May 27, 2021, 04:24:42 AM
"America, f**k yeah..."
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on May 27, 2021, 04:32:54 AM
Quote from: Gentleman Death on May 27, 2021, 04:24:42 AM
"America, f**k yeah..."
I hated that movie
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Post by: guymelfe on May 27, 2021, 04:33:30 AM
Quote from: Gentleman Death on May 27, 2021, 04:24:42 AM
"America, f**k yeah..."

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 27, 2021, 07:08:38 AM
Quote from: guymelfe on May 27, 2021, 03:09:01 AMSo Iranians are the "good guys" and America bad, yes?

There are decent people and pieces of shit on all sides.

Just like in real life.

This novel really isn't a political manifesto.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 28, 2021, 03:27:21 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 27, 2021, 07:08:38 AM
Quote from: guymelfe on May 27, 2021, 03:09:01 AMSo Iranians are the "good guys" and America bad, yes?

There are decent people and pieces of shit on all sides.

Just like in real life.

This novel really isn't a political manifesto.

Reminds me of the stigmatization of Germans cos of the mustache dude.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 28, 2021, 04:03:56 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 27, 2021, 07:08:38 AM
Quote from: guymelfe on May 27, 2021, 03:09:01 AMSo Iranians are the "good guys" and America bad, yes?

There are decent people and pieces of shit on all sides.

Just like in real life.

This novel really isn't a political manifesto.

That's one of the things I love so much about Alex's book. Life isn't black and white, it's grey. Alex's books feel so damn authentic. And there's often moments in there I just identity with so much.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 30, 2021, 12:05:43 PM
Our interview with Alex is now up :)

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/05/30/crafting-a-complex-alien-universe-an-interview-with-author-alex-white-avp-galaxy-podcast-127/
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on May 30, 2021, 12:18:26 PM
Looking forward to delving in!
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 30, 2021, 01:09:35 PM
Great thumbnail
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Post by: Hemi on May 30, 2021, 02:28:26 PM
indeed...  ;D
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Post by: DaniillLogOut on May 30, 2021, 02:34:37 PM
Oooooohhhh yeaaaaaahhhh
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 30, 2021, 03:45:32 PM
f**k me! What a superb podcast, I eagerly look forward to Alien³ co written by Alex White and Aaron Percival.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on May 30, 2021, 09:47:17 PM
Quote from: guymelfe on May 27, 2021, 03:09:01 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on May 27, 2021, 02:55:18 AM
There are times when you think it is going to get political but then White kind of turns it on its head with a counterpoint. 

I'd say it is slightly left leaning but not super left that it is unreadable.

So Iranians are the "good guys" and America bad, yes?

No. 

There are "good" and "bad" guys on both sides of the conflict. 
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Post by: Prez on May 31, 2021, 01:17:31 PM
Finished it!!! Wow. Take a bow Alex. Fantastic story telling yet again.

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And whilst I must admit it took me a while to accept the leap around Marsalis' new transformed Queen existence, I just felt the characters were so brilliant and I became totally invested in all of them. Duncan was a great antagonist and whilst not as loathsome as Sudler, she sure was memorable.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on May 31, 2021, 01:59:10 PM
Listening to the podcast and I love that Alex brought up that there's multiple strains of black goo.
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with blue looking for the non weaponized accelerant
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as this is something I've argued on these very boards time and again lol. Alex just gets this universe better than most.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 31, 2021, 02:52:48 PM
Alex gets it completely, I didn't find a single thing I disagreed with them about during that interview, they hit the nail on the head every single damn time it's actually surreal.

Whether that's the Alien being essentially tamper resistant, the Pathogen not necessarily starting out as such with potentially a life giving variation lost to the constant forward march of time, and utterly "getting people" and that's particularly evident with the various reactions to Blue.

I believe David's actually mentioned the liquid having variations in the films but still proceeds to outline all he's aware of as though all functionally identical anyway.

I loved the energy the back and forth.

And I love how it felt like a couple of mates just having a passionate conversation.

Oh and good call on Lilith, Li and Sil especially, H.R Giger's work's not just arbitrarily up for the taking, he's more than Alien, and not all of that inherently belongs to this intellectual property or indeed's right for it in the first place.

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: GreybackElder on Jun 04, 2021, 11:34:43 PM
This was great. I had no idea you had a hand in the creation of this novel Hicks! Into Charybdis, The Cold Forge and Rogue are some of my favorite Alien novels.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Prez on Jun 07, 2021, 08:01:52 AM
Fantastic interview. Alex is so honest when discussing things. Great to listen to. Oh and Titan ... yer ... start writing that cheque for the 3rd book please!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 07, 2021, 09:34:08 AM
Quote from: GreybackElder on Jun 04, 2021, 11:34:43 PM
This was great. I had no idea you had a hand in the creation of this novel Hicks! Into Charybdis, The Cold Forge and Rogue are some of my favorite Alien novels.

I wouldn't go that far. I mean, sure, Alex stole the Blue thing from me (though I had been referring to Dorian when I said it in the first interview)  :P but otherwise it was just reading, commenting, sound-boarding, etc. I finally got around to listening to PO's interview with them and was reminded of something I said early on in writing "do not for the love of God have any androids having their heads cut off and being carried around."  :laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 18, 2021, 05:40:49 PM
Podcast review is now up: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/06/18/im-in-hell-but-dont-stop-reviewing-alien-into-charybdis-avp-galaxy-podcast-128/
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 18, 2021, 06:40:56 PM
Looking forward to listening to this whilst scanning planets in Mass Effect.
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Post by: Gentleman Death on Jun 18, 2021, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 18, 2021, 06:40:56 PM
Looking forward to listening to this whilst scanning planets in Mass Effect.

That's a solid plan 👍
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Post by: DaniillLogOut on Jun 18, 2021, 07:56:04 PM
Good plan, indeed
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Post by: Prez on Jun 18, 2021, 10:57:48 PM
"Drop your linen and start your grinnin..."

Looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Jun 19, 2021, 03:51:51 PM
@Voodoo Magic
Glad I could help! 🙂 I've also been sharing the charybdis facility diagram with several people who started with the audiobook too. To be fair though, corporal Hicks didn't have the diagram when reading the first draft lol


Oh also, I assumed another reason to use charybdis for this facility wasn't just for the server cooling potential, but the renewable energy potential... turbines that generate electricity to help power the facility from the constant flow of water into the maw.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 19, 2021, 10:01:01 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Jun 19, 2021, 03:51:51 PM
@Voodoo Magic
Glad I could help! 🙂 I've also been sharing the charybdis facility diagram with several people who started with the audiobook too. To be fair though, corporal Hicks didn't have the diagram when reading the first draft lol

I was running on an 85% understanding of how this complex looked, but it was definitely nice to have it and fill in those gaps!  :)


Quote
Oh also, I assumed another reason to use charybdis for this facility wasn't just for the server cooling potential, but the renewable energy potential... turbines that generate electricity to help power the facility from the constant flow of water into the maw.

It all still seems a bit volatile to me, but I like your thinking!
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Post by: Engineer on Jun 20, 2021, 02:32:26 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 19, 2021, 10:01:01 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Jun 19, 2021, 03:51:51 PM
@Voodoo Magic
Glad I could help! 🙂 I've also been sharing the charybdis facility diagram with several people who started with the audiobook too. To be fair though, corporal Hicks didn't have the diagram when reading the first draft lol

I was running on an 85% understanding of how this complex looked, but it was definitely nice to have it and fill in those gaps!  :)


Quote
Oh also, I assumed another reason to use charybdis for this facility wasn't just for the server cooling potential, but the renewable energy potential... turbines that generate electricity to help power the facility from the constant flow of water into the maw.

It all still seems a bit volatile to me, but I like your thinking!

To clarify, the thing I was referring to when I said I was glad I could help was the giger concept art. The charybdis diagram was a separate thought that I realize I should have distinguished more lol
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jun 21, 2021, 08:03:58 AM
Absolutely loved this. Easily my favorite of the Alien books I've read so far. Loved the characters, deaths, setting, and use of the prequel elements.

I even loved the villain. The "Here piggy piggy" line that Voodoo can't let go of was the only part that got a tad cartoonish for me. Outside of that, I always felt like I understood the character's point of view.

The only two minor gripes that stick out to me:

I didn't like the movie callbacks, such as "Get away from that computer, you bitch." Distracting and a bit corny.

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Having Tiran simply get lost in commotion at one point felt like an odd choice. I kept expecting her to pop back up at some point.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 21, 2021, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Jun 21, 2021, 08:03:58 AM
IThe "Here piggy piggy" line that Voodoo can't let go of was the only part that got a tad cartoonish for me.

Less can't, more didn't want to.  ;D

But yes, for me, if Ducan was less comicy & mustache-twirling and more realistic like the rest of the book's character counterparts this book might have been a perfect 10 for me. But alas, a 9 out of 10 is still nothing to sneeze at!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 21, 2021, 01:37:32 PM
Duncan to me felt like a marine character that could have stepped off of the screen from Avatar. A slight step away from the rest of the book's more grounded characters for sure, but totally in keeping with the novel's critical eye on the marines and their actions. This all honestly contributed to what is by far the most interesting portrayal of the USCM in any material since Aliens itself, if you ask me.

I still need to listen to Hicks' interview with Alex White from a few weeks back. Maybe I'll get to that tonight...
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 21, 2021, 01:41:49 PM
It's a great listen. Definitely worth your time. 👍
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Jun 21, 2021, 03:24:10 PM
As one who found Cold Forge disappointing given the hype around it, I will say Into Charybdis has been a very pleasant surprise - It's actually pretty good! As I am still reading, I'm avoiding the podcast until I'm done, but I'm looking forward to listening.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 22, 2021, 01:06:38 AM
I too liked Charybdis MUCH better.  I had to force myself to finish Cold Forge before Charybdis came out because it being a sequel and all.  Much to my surprise its probably my favorite bit of Alien lore I've gotten in the last decade.   
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Jun 22, 2021, 04:50:22 PM
I agree with Kimarhi that Into Charybdis is much better than Cold Forge. I've finished reading and listening to the podcast. I guess I'll have to use some spoiler tags here as my post really will spoil things for people who haven't read. The podcast has big spoilers, too. :-X

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I liked Blue as an upgraded alien. It was a liberating transformation for the character, and it was completely logical for Blue to die at the end. I hope Blue is truly dead - Resurrection in a new book would be sort of a cheap Marvel ploy and would rob the character of a good ending.

I think Mary was aware of what an uninhibited android can do, and she was rightly concerned that Rook might murder her and Kamran. The escape pod was a good way to resolve that. It fed nicely into the epilogue.

I also think Shy needed to die when and how she did. Her death was polyfunctional, and her arc of importance was mostly over, anyway. Kamran's return was surprising, but that worked out well, too. I agree with Voodoo. Haroun's ending would have been better if his "second child" hit the mark. As it worked out, Haroun's final thought was still sort of amusing.
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As discussed, all these characters had some duality to them. That made them more interesting.

I like the possibilities of the Black Goo. I think Alex White applied it well in Cold Forge and Into Charybdis.

Compared to other androids in the series and EU, Ash seems like sort of a weakling. :o

As usual, good work on the podcast. RidgeTop, good luck with your show.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 22, 2021, 04:54:50 PM
You can also put me in the "Into Charybdis is the better of the two" category, and I say that as someone that loves The Cold Forge.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 22, 2021, 04:55:27 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 22, 2021, 04:50:22 PM
RidgeTop, good luck with your show.

What show ?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Jun 22, 2021, 04:58:23 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 22, 2021, 04:55:27 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 22, 2021, 04:50:22 PM
RidgeTop, good luck with your show.

What show ?

His BFA art show.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 22, 2021, 05:04:19 PM


Is it in podcast form ?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 22, 2021, 05:12:41 PM
 :laugh: no

Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 22, 2021, 04:58:23 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 22, 2021, 04:55:27 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 22, 2021, 04:50:22 PM
RidgeTop, good luck with your show.

What show ?

His BFA art show.

It already occurred, and successfully I believe! 👏
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 22, 2021, 05:59:17 PM
f**k

Anyway, got a link ?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Jun 22, 2021, 07:07:53 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 22, 2021, 05:12:41 PM
:laugh: no

Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 22, 2021, 04:58:23 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 22, 2021, 04:55:27 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 22, 2021, 04:50:22 PM
RidgeTop, good luck with your show.

What show ?

His BFA art show.

It already occurred, and successfully I believe! 👏

Excellent! :)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: RidgeTop on Jun 22, 2021, 08:24:01 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 22, 2021, 04:50:22 PM
As usual, good work on the podcast. RidgeTop, good luck with your show.

Thanks! Show happened earlier this month at my University but it's in a gallery on the campus for a bit.

Quote from: Kradan on Jun 22, 2021, 05:59:17 PM
f**k

Anyway, got a link ?

Yep, here are the images I went with. The project was equestrian photography from last fall to this spring, specifically contrasting domestic and wild horses out here in Utah. This was a selection for the gallery from a number of different shoots I did:

https://adamzellerphotographer.pixieset.com/adamzellerbfashow2021/

And the gallery itself:

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Also, appreciate the podcast feedback, everybody. I really enjoyed the book, my main issue was Duncan and how blatantly evil/incompetent/chaos-causing she was.

Book spoiler:
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If a squad was slaughtered like that for trying to relieve command it would've likely caused an even larger rift in the chain of command with the remaining troops. But I suppose some of the war-crimes during the Iraq/Afghanistan conflict were also pretty blatant, with the most obscene being from the PMC contractors. I get Alex was going for a commentary with that, just personally thought it could've been a bit more nuanced. I was intrigued with Duncan's setup, but the more vicious she got, the more she kept sabotaging her own goals.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Jun 23, 2021, 03:45:40 AM
Good work, RidgeTop. Thanks for sharing :)

Yes, Duncan was definitely a "bellend villain." I had to look that up. Thanks Hicks! Learning British slang here. :D
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 23, 2021, 08:00:24 AM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 22, 2021, 04:50:22 PM
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Haroun's ending would have been better if his "second child" hit the mark.
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I dunno, I really liked how it set up an obvious Purvis moment but then shied away from it at the last minute. I so wanted Duncan to get it, it was infuriating (in a good way) that she survived yet again.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 23, 2021, 08:09:15 AM
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I just don't think he deserved the kill either. Sure, everything with his kid was f**king brutal, but he'd spent the majority of the novel being one of the antagonists. He was such an arse to Kamran. And again, while I love all the duality and getting the stuff with him not being an antagonist, I just don't think I would have found it satisfying if he'd been the one to get the kill.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 23, 2021, 08:16:48 AM
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Plus when she did get it, oh boy did she f**king get it.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 23, 2021, 09:06:56 AM
Him "getting the kill" would have been corny and crap, especially with what he says as it happens, it is a good subversion that he didn't.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: XenoHunter99 on Jun 23, 2021, 12:15:07 PM
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I agree with Huda. When she finally got it, she really got it! So, that was good.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 23, 2021, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 23, 2021, 08:09:15 AM
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I just don't think he deserved the kill either. Sure, everything with his kid was f**king brutal, but he'd spent the majority of the novel being one of the antagonists. He was such an arse to Kamran. And again, while I love all the duality and getting the stuff with him not being an antagonist, I just don't think I would have found it satisfying if he'd been the one to get the kill.
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Separate from us disagreeing if Haroun earned that kill - A character not earning a kill or being too much of an ass to be satisfying as the delivery agent for justice I think does contradict what you love in the way Alex White writes his characters in a world that is not black and white, and hardly anyone seems to satisfyingly get what they earn or deserve.

To be honest, I was half expecting Duncan to survive the whole ordeal. :)
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 23, 2021, 12:46:14 PM
I see where you're going with the rebuttal, but I don't bite. You feel he earned it for certain actions, I feel he didn't for others. There's no winners there, regardless of the black/white thing. Had he got the kill, I'm sure I'd have appreciated for the black and white nature of the world-building. But speaking purely from the typical POV of satisfaction, I'm glad he didn't get it.

And just a reminder for folk, Alex uses them/they/their.  :)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 23, 2021, 04:16:53 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jun 22, 2021, 08:24:01 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 22, 2021, 04:50:22 PM
As usual, good work on the podcast. RidgeTop, good luck with your show.

Thanks! Show happened earlier this month at my University but it's in a gallery on the campus for a bit.

Quote from: Kradan on Jun 22, 2021, 05:59:17 PM
f**k

Anyway, got a link ?

Yep, here are the images I went with. The project was equestrian photography from last fall to this spring, specifically contrasting domestic and wild horses out here in Utah. This was a selection for the gallery from a number of different shoots I did:

https://adamzellerphotographer.pixieset.com/adamzellerbfashow2021/

And the gallery itself:

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Nice pics, RidgeTop !  ;)

Fun fact: My dad absolutely loves horses. I'm gonna show him these
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 23, 2021, 05:48:44 PM
Yeah nice work seriously.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 24, 2021, 02:27:55 AM
I hope Alex can continue on with the series even after the Disney buyout.  It seems he is angling toward a major conflict in human space with the Aliens being overlooked and forgotten about in the conflict which I'm sure will raise its ugly head later. 



The only thing that even remotely tickled my Alien fancy the last decade or so has been the first six issues of defiance.  However as well as it started out I felt it really tapered off in the last six issues.  Charybdis held my interest from start to finish.  I feel I would've dug it even if I knew nothing about the Alienverse.   
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 25, 2021, 08:58:16 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 24, 2021, 02:27:55 AM
It seems he is angling toward a major conflict in human space with the Aliens being overlooked and forgotten about in the conflict which I'm sure will raise its ugly head later. 

I'm not sure what you mean here. Could you elaborate, please ?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Jun 25, 2021, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 23, 2021, 03:45:40 AM
Good work, RidgeTop. Thanks for sharing :)

Yes, Duncan was definitely a "bellend villain." I had to look that up. Thanks Hicks! Learning British slang here. :D

  :laugh:

My favorite British disses that I've learned from Hicks are "bell end" and "ball ache" lol

Also congrats Ridgetop on your BFA.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 26, 2021, 05:03:23 AM
Speaking of Brits being weird: is it me or does Hicks' "but" sounds a bit like "boat" ? I definitely noticed it in earlier episodes

Also, Hicks you gotta stop shaming RidgeTop for not getting his hands on every goddamn piece of Alien media you liked/loved. Man gotta have his own life !
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Russ840 on Jun 26, 2021, 08:25:35 PM
I'm pretty sure Hicks only does it in jest.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 27, 2021, 03:30:32 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 25, 2021, 08:58:16 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 24, 2021, 02:27:55 AM
It seems he is angling toward a major conflict in human space with the Aliens being overlooked and forgotten about in the conflict which I'm sure will raise its ugly head later. 

I'm not sure what you mean here. Could you elaborate, please ?

At the end of the book two human factions declared war on each other.  It seems that having such a war would be a bad idea with both Aliens running around and black goo stockpile throughout the galaxy. 
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 28, 2021, 02:00:26 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 26, 2021, 05:03:23 AM
Speaking of Brits being weird:

Be careful Kradan! I can see Hicks starting to spin that hammer!



:laugh:
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: ZarnoldQuigley on Jun 29, 2021, 02:37:32 AM
Love both the Cold Forge and Charyribdib, as Jerry Fowler would say. Really enjoyed the villains in both. Duncan had some cheesy lines and was crazy. But I think that is exactly how she should be. Almost like a crazy 80s slasher maniac combined with the Aliens universe. I can just picture her in my head being a lunatic that just never dies. I could go on and on about the book.
Enjoyed both podcasts about the book but really wanted to hear Hicks thoughts on the one really great acid death towards the end. Seemed like the brutal acid death we have been waiting for ! Admitting I dont keep on a lot of Alien/Aliens expanded universe.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SiL on Jun 29, 2021, 04:33:36 AM
If you want acid deaths in visual format, Labyrinth has plenty and they are gnarly.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 29, 2021, 12:59:48 PM
I also found that acid scene in Requiem a bit gnarly too.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Jun 30, 2021, 07:30:18 AM
That shit was hilarious, yeah  :D
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Stitch on Aug 09, 2021, 10:12:44 AM
OK, so I have been waiting and waiting and waiting for this, since I wanted a paperback version. Audible has just put a load of audio books up for free, and so I listened to it instead of actually getting it into my hands (which would have been my preferred way).

I now don't think I'll be picking up the paperback. Having read through this whole thread it feels like I'm one of the only people who didn't actually like this book.

Some of the concepts were great, and some of the death scenes were awesome, but by that point I'd stopped caring about the characters that were dying.
The shock deaths of main characters came out of nowhere and really surprised me, but when that same trick was reused multiple times it just drew me out of the story.

Some of the writing was also just bad. I realise that it was adapted to the characters that were being written, but when I got to a point where someone was saying 'it's like playing a guitar solo with a gun', I literally burst out laughing. There's also another part where Kamran refers to the aliens as 'snatchers', which he has no reason to because that terminology isn't his. It's an editing miss, but, again, something that stood out.

It's a shame, because The Cold Forge was pretty good (though I don't put it on a pedestal, like some). I was really looking forward to this, but it just didn't work for me. I guess it wasn't helped by the monotonous narrator, and the present tense writing (neither of which I liked, but was able to get over), but by the time I got about 2/3 through I realised I just wasn't enjoying the book on the whole. I kept going because I was intrigued by the continuing story of
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Blue
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, but it wasn't enough for me. It's like a movie where I buy into the hype, but come away feeling like l've missed something that everyone else seems to get.

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 09, 2021, 01:26:54 PM
Sometimes expectations can colour one's experience.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Aug 09, 2021, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Aug 09, 2021, 10:12:44 AM
OK, so I have been waiting and waiting and waiting for this, since I wanted a paperback version. Audible has just put a load of audio books up for free, and so I listened to it instead of actually getting it into my hands (which would have been my preferred way).

I now don't think I'll be picking up the paperback. Having read through this whole thread it feels like I'm one of the only people who didn't actually like this book.

Some of the concepts were great, and some of the death scenes were awesome, but by that point I'd stopped caring about the characters that were dying.
The shock deaths of main characters came out of nowhere and really surprised me, but when that same trick was reused multiple times it just drew me out of the story.

Some of the writing was also just bad. I realise that it was adapted to the characters that were being written, but when I got to a point where someone was saying 'it's like playing a guitar solo with a gun', I literally burst out laughing. There's also another part where Kamran refers to the aliens as 'snatchers', which he has no reason to because that terminology isn't his. It's an editing miss, but, again, something that stood out.

It's a shame, because The Cold Forge was pretty good (though I don't put it on a pedestal, like some). I was really looking forward to this, but it just didn't work for me. I guess it wasn't helped by the monotonous narrator, and the present tense writing (neither of which I liked, but was able to get over), but by the time I got about 2/3 through I realised I just wasn't enjoying the book on the whole. I kept going because I was intrigued by the continuing story of
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Blue
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, but it wasn't enough for me. It's like a movie where I buy into the hype, but come away feeling like l've missed something that everyone else seems to get.



Do you know if it's the same narrator who did the Cold Forge audible?

He's terrible.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 09, 2021, 07:59:29 PM
It's not.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 10, 2021, 01:06:28 AM
I think there was a substantial world building improvement between the first and second book and you could see how White took steps in expanding the overarching story between the first and second.  I think my main draw was that Charybdis just felt much more expansive.


Everybody has their own taste though, I think everybody gets too hung up on what everybody else likes.  Sometimes its ok to be the tall rock in rushing water.

The one thing I would actively disagree with you is: Of course the main characters are going to die in the book.  It's an Alien movie related story. 



I think the last chance every character had to make it out of an Alien story was when me and a bro came up with a story in our backyard when I was a preteen where we didn't want to kill off any our our people. 


   
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 10, 2021, 02:25:38 AM
I like them both in distinct ways honestly.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Stitch on Aug 10, 2021, 03:36:56 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 10, 2021, 01:06:28 AM
The one thing I would actively disagree with you is: Of course the main characters are going to die in the book.  It's an Alien movie related story.
I don't mind characters dying. As you said, it's an alien related story. The problem is when
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your main character dies, and then you're in someone else's shoes, and then your new main character dies, and you're in someone else's shoes, and then your main character dies, and you're in someone else shoes
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, it's kinda jarring. It throws me out of the narrative, and stops me really caring what happens to anyone.
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Why get attached to someone if they're just going to die?
It's different with side characters, or with a narrative which shares the viewpoints between all characters, because you're not tied to them as a perspective. They're not the person who's head you're inside.
When you're reading something, and you're inside the head of the main character, and the writing style is very immediate, then when they die, it's shocking! When you do it again and again, it loses its potency, because they're all just fodder and it doesn't matter.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Nukiemorph on Aug 10, 2021, 04:15:05 AM
I really only felt like
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there were two main characters and one of them died...

Shy felt like the main character of the American crew. She died for shock.

Kamran was the main Iranian. He survived.

Then Becker felt like the main marine, but the marines arrived too late in the story for him to feel like an overall main character, and his death was heroic and with purpose.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 10, 2021, 11:04:54 AM
Yeah I don't agree at all Stitch.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: skhellter on Aug 10, 2021, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Aug 10, 2021, 03:36:56 AM
Why get attached to someone if they're just going to die?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

This happens a lot in this thing called LIFE.
If you don't want it happening in adult books then maybe stick with kid literature.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 10, 2021, 12:19:56 PM
As always so severe.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Stitch on Aug 10, 2021, 01:40:28 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Aug 10, 2021, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Aug 10, 2021, 03:36:56 AM
Why get attached to someone if they're just going to die?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

This happens a lot in this thing called LIFE.
If you don't want it happening in adult books then maybe stick with kid literature.
Not at all the point I was making. But thanks for misunderstanding and making a sarcastic comment anyway. I'll make sure I stick to Biff and Chip from now on.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Aug 10, 2021, 09:39:06 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Aug 10, 2021, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Aug 10, 2021, 03:36:56 AM
Why get attached to someone if they're just going to die?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

This happens a lot in this thing called LIFE.
If you don't want it happening in adult books then maybe stick with kid literature.

Let's respect everyone's opinion and avoid being condescending please.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SiL on Aug 11, 2021, 12:54:31 AM
I actually agree with Stitch. Setting up the expectation that everyone is going to die does just as much to drain the tension as setting up that people are always going to live.

It's hard to get invested when the outcome feels like a forgone conclusion, whatever that conclusion may be.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 11, 2021, 01:19:41 AM
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Aug 10, 2021, 04:15:05 AM
I really only felt like
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there were two main characters and one of them died...

Shy felt like the main character of the American crew. She died for shock.

Kamran was the main Iranian. He survived.

Then Becker felt like the main marine, but the marines arrived too late in the story for him to feel like an overall main character, and his death was heroic and with purpose.
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This is pretty much how I thought it was supposed to read.


I felt this was a direct throwback to how the first Alien was made, where everybody thought looking at the cast that Sigourney Weaver was going to be the first to go because she was an unknown, and somebody like Tom Skerrit was going to lead,  but Weaver ended up being the series lead.

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Obviously we aren't looking at a cast for a movie and seeing that Shy is going to make it, but there was definitively a narrative lead into thinking that would be the case for the book where so much perspective is told from her familiar viewpoint that we think it is a given that she will make it and continue on.
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  It was definately a GOT gotcha moment, but I felt it was executed pretty flawlessly. 






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Blue will probably be the most important character in the long run if the series with White continues. 
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SiL on Aug 11, 2021, 01:42:03 AM
Please use spoiler tags for f**k's sake...
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Aug 11, 2021, 05:23:33 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Aug 10, 2021, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Aug 10, 2021, 03:36:56 AM
Why get attached to someone if they're just going to die?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

This happens a lot in this thing called LIFE.
If you don't want it happening in adult books then maybe stick with kid literature.

You must've loved Rogue One
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2021, 07:23:27 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 11, 2021, 12:54:31 AM
I actually agree with Stitch. Setting up the expectation that everyone is going to die does just as much to drain the tension as setting up that people are always going to live.

It's hard to get invested when the outcome feels like a forgone conclusion, whatever that conclusion may be.

I wouldn't say it's setup as everyone is going to die. It's just an uncertainty. You don't expect the big moment. It's a big gut punch. And I can't say I expected who made it out to make it out. But there's always two focal characters, so if one does die, the other may not and we keep moving. It's all part of the charm of the novel for me. That uncertainty.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Aug 11, 2021, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2021, 07:23:27 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 11, 2021, 12:54:31 AM
I actually agree with Stitch. Setting up the expectation that everyone is going to die does just as much to drain the tension as setting up that people are always going to live.

It's hard to get invested when the outcome feels like a forgone conclusion, whatever that conclusion may be.

I wouldn't say it's setup as everyone is going to die. It's just an uncertainty. You don't expect the big moment. It's a big gut punch. And I can't say I expected who made it out to make it out. But there's always two focal characters, so if one does die, the other may not and we keep moving. It's all part of the charm of the novel for me. That uncertainty.

Exactly, in no way does it "set up the expectation that everyone is going to die" it merely shows us that no one is safe which actually enhanced the tension on my end. The uncertainty and the subverting of expectations is part of what makes this novel so strong.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Aug 11, 2021, 12:56:52 PM
Speaking as someone who truly loved reading this novel, I could see this perhaps dulling the impact of the next Alex White novel I read, in the terms of just waiting for the main characters to bite it.  :laugh:

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2021, 01:04:15 PM
The thing about Alex is they're very self-aware. They'll be unlikely to do the do it again in another novel if they know folk are expecting it.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Aug 11, 2021, 01:27:59 PM
Alex has all the characters survive in the next one....

That crafty White!
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Stitch on Aug 11, 2021, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2021, 07:23:27 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 11, 2021, 12:54:31 AM
I actually agree with Stitch. Setting up the expectation that everyone is going to die does just as much to drain the tension as setting up that people are always going to live.

It's hard to get invested when the outcome feels like a forgone conclusion, whatever that conclusion may be.

I wouldn't say it's setup as everyone is going to die. It's just an uncertainty. You don't expect the big moment. It's a big gut punch. And I can't say I expected who made it out to make it out. But there's always two focal characters, so if one does die, the other may not and we keep moving. It's all part of the charm of the novel for me. That uncertainty.
To me, it felt less like charming uncertainty, and more like overuse of a literary trick. The way the perspective shifts, in conjunction with the immediacy of the writing style, felt jarring to me, as I said. Instead of drawing me in with intrigue, it did the opposite and broke my engagement. Instead of Oh my god, what's going to happen next?, my reaction was more Really? Again?

I can understand that others would enjoy it, but it just didn't work for me, which was disappointing.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SiL on Aug 12, 2021, 03:37:50 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2021, 07:23:27 AM
I wouldn't say it's setup as everyone is going to die. It's just an uncertainty.
The key point is a pattern's a pattern. I haven't read the book, and can't comment on the specifics, but I know that I've grown incredibly bored with a lot of modern TV series that regularly kill off seemingly-major characters. After a point it stops giving the impression that nobody's safe and starts establishing a pattern of "if someone's getting any decent character development, they're next."

Maybe White does it better, I can't comment. But on the face of it I agree with Stitch's sentiment.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 03:55:27 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 11, 2021, 01:42:03 AM
Please use spoiler tags for f**k's sake...

C'mon man.  We're almost 40 pages deep in this mess, 6 months after the release date.  Eventually it stops being our responsibility to cover for yalls lazy asses if you don't want to read the book. 
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Stitch on Aug 12, 2021, 08:28:29 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 03:55:27 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 11, 2021, 01:42:03 AM
Please use spoiler tags for f**k's sake...

C'mon man.  We're almost 40 pages deep in this mess, 6 months after the release date.  Eventually it stops being our responsibility to cover for yalls lazy asses if you don't want to read the book.
In all fairness, the only reason I got it was because it was made free on Audible. I was waiting for a paperback, and they're not released until February. So, yeah, there are still spoilers.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SiL on Aug 12, 2021, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 03:55:27 AM
C'mon man.  We're almost 40 pages deep in this mess, 6 months after the release date.  Eventually it stops being our responsibility to cover for yalls lazy asses if you don't want to read the book.
Or some of us have been hit by work shortages following a global f**king pandemic and don't have the disposable income for books at the moment? f**k aaaall the way off man.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 12, 2021, 08:42:15 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2021, 01:04:15 PM
The thing about Alex is they're very self-aware. They'll be unlikely to do the do it again in another novel if they know folk are expecting it.

Yeah, tbf it didn't happen in Cold Forge.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 04:36:09 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 12, 2021, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 03:55:27 AM
C'mon man.  We're almost 40 pages deep in this mess, 6 months after the release date.  Eventually it stops being our responsibility to cover for yalls lazy asses if you don't want to read the book.
Or some of us have been hit by work shortages following a global f**king pandemic and don't have the disposable income for books at the moment? f**k aaaall the way off man.

C'mon dude, you don't have the book and your posting in a thread about the book.  That is YOUR FAULT.  You are literally the dude riding a bike placing a stick in his spokes meme right now.

I'm sorry your broke but you being broke ain't my fault guy.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Dachande on Aug 12, 2021, 05:22:55 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 04:36:09 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 12, 2021, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 03:55:27 AM
C'mon man.  We're almost 40 pages deep in this mess, 6 months after the release date.  Eventually it stops being our responsibility to cover for yalls lazy asses if you don't want to read the book.
Or some of us have been hit by work shortages following a global f**king pandemic and don't have the disposable income for books at the moment? f**k aaaall the way off man.

C'mon dude, you don't have the book and your posting in a thread about the book.  That is YOUR FAULT.  You are literally the dude riding a bike placing a stick in his spokes meme right now.

I'm sorry your broke but you being broke ain't my fault guy.

So what? People should be able to discuss things even if they havent seen them, without getting spoilers thrown in their face. Putting spoiler tags on is simply a generally decent thing to do. Giving people shit because for whatever reason they may not have read, or seen something yet is the opposite.

Just have some respect for other people.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Aug 12, 2021, 05:57:37 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 12, 2021, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 03:55:27 AM
C'mon man.  We're almost 40 pages deep in this mess, 6 months after the release date.  Eventually it stops being our responsibility to cover for yalls lazy asses if you don't want to read the book.
Or some of us have been hit by work shortages following a global f**king pandemic and don't have the disposable income for books at the moment? f**k aaaall the way off man.

I mean, why are you even reading the thread then ?


Quote from: Dachande on Aug 12, 2021, 05:22:55 PM
So what? People should be able to discuss things even if they havent seen them, without getting spoilers thrown in their face. Putting spoiler tags on is simply a generally decent thing to do. Giving people shit because for whatever reason they may not have read, or seen something yet is the opposite.

Just have some respect for other people.

But

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 03:55:27 AM
6 months after the release date

There probably some people who hasn't seen Endgame yet so what - do I have to use spoiler tags talking about that too ?

I haven't read Into Charybdis yet too but I know there's been quite some time since the book came out so I'm not going to complain about people spoiling it for me. As Kimarhi would put it, it would be MY FAULT
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Dachande on Aug 12, 2021, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 12, 2021, 05:57:37 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 12, 2021, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 03:55:27 AM
C'mon man.  We're almost 40 pages deep in this mess, 6 months after the release date.  Eventually it stops being our responsibility to cover for yalls lazy asses if you don't want to read the book.
Or some of us have been hit by work shortages following a global f**king pandemic and don't have the disposable income for books at the moment? f**k aaaall the way off man.

I mean, why are you even reading the thread then ?


Quote from: Dachande on Aug 12, 2021, 05:22:55 PM
So what? People should be able to discuss things even if they havent seen them, without getting spoilers thrown in their face. Putting spoiler tags on is simply a generally decent thing to do. Giving people shit because for whatever reason they may not have read, or seen something yet is the opposite.

Just have some respect for other people.

But

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 03:55:27 AM
6 months after the release date

There probably some people who hasn't seen Endgame yet so what - do I have to use spoiler tags talking about that too ?

I haven't read Into Charybdis yet too but I know there's been quite some time since the book came out so I'm not going to complain about people spoiling it for me. As Kimarhi would put it, it would be MY FAULT

In Australia, where SiL lives. The book was released on the 1st of August. Everybody has different circumstances regarding release dates, and things like that. I think being upset when a book has been out where you live for 11 days is fair. Presuming that everybody has the luxury of getting things at the same time as you, is rather self-centered.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Aug 12, 2021, 06:52:54 PM
Quote from: Dachande on Aug 12, 2021, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 12, 2021, 05:57:37 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 12, 2021, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 03:55:27 AM
C'mon man.  We're almost 40 pages deep in this mess, 6 months after the release date.  Eventually it stops being our responsibility to cover for yalls lazy asses if you don't want to read the book.
Or some of us have been hit by work shortages following a global f**king pandemic and don't have the disposable income for books at the moment? f**k aaaall the way off man.

I mean, why are you even reading the thread then ?


Quote from: Dachande on Aug 12, 2021, 05:22:55 PM
So what? People should be able to discuss things even if they havent seen them, without getting spoilers thrown in their face. Putting spoiler tags on is simply a generally decent thing to do. Giving people shit because for whatever reason they may not have read, or seen something yet is the opposite.

Just have some respect for other people.

But

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 03:55:27 AM
6 months after the release date

There probably some people who hasn't seen Endgame yet so what - do I have to use spoiler tags talking about that too ?

I haven't read Into Charybdis yet too but I know there's been quite some time since the book came out so I'm not going to complain about people spoiling it for me. As Kimarhi would put it, it would be MY FAULT

In Australia, where SiL lives. The book was released on the 1st of August. Everybody has different circumstances regarding release dates, and things like that. I think being upset when a book has been out where you live for 11 days is fair. Presuming that everybody has the luxury of getting things at the same time as you, is rather self-centered.

^^ I can confirm this and I was actually about to say the same. A friend of mine in Australia just got a copy they preordered, less than 2 weeks ago. COVID-19 really messed up the book's global release. There were extreme delays outside the US.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Aug 12, 2021, 07:23:44 PM
Ok, fair point, I didn't take that into the consideration ('cause I didn't know). My apologies, SiL
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Aug 12, 2021, 07:53:18 PM
In just a desire to seek enlightenment, there is a time where we all drop spoiler tags and just talk the film, show, or literary work at hand. I wonder what most feel here is the general acceptable time frame... unless one disagrees there is even such a thing.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Dachande on Aug 12, 2021, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 12, 2021, 07:53:18 PM
In just a desire to seek enlightenment, there is a time where we all drop spoiler tags and just talk the film, show, or literary work at hand. I wonder what most feel here is the general acceptable time frame... unless one disagrees there is even such a thing.

For movies, i would generally say once its been out on DVD for a few months. Games and Books, its hard to really say. Once something has been out worldwide for probably 6 months to a year, i would think is fair. Probably closer to a year.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: [cancerblack] on Aug 12, 2021, 08:08:21 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 11, 2021, 05:23:33 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Aug 10, 2021, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Aug 10, 2021, 03:36:56 AM
Why get attached to someone if they're just going to die?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

This happens a lot in this thing called LIFE.
If you don't want it happening in adult books then maybe stick with kid literature.

You must've loved Rogue One

Dunno what his take is but yes, R1 is the only SW movie I have any time for at all for exactly that reason (and lack of Jedi trash).
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SiL on Aug 12, 2021, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 12, 2021, 05:57:37 PM
I mean, why are you even reading the thread then ?
To see what people think of the book and decide if I would like to read it when I can.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 04:36:09 PM
C'mon dude, you don't have the book and your posting in a thread about the book.
Everyone else was using spoiler tags. You replied to a person who used spoiler tags. Read the room.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Engineer on Aug 12, 2021, 09:07:49 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 12, 2021, 07:53:18 PM
In just a desire to seek enlightenment, there is a time where we all drop spoiler tags and just talk the film, show, or literary work at hand. I wonder what most feel here is the general acceptable time frame... unless one disagrees there is even such a thing.

I think 6 months is fair in general, but in this case, it's a little wonky since it's been far less than 6 months in other parts of the world.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 12, 2021, 09:36:47 PM
Spoiler tags are quick easy to use. I'm not sure why arguments always erupt about using them. If you're not sure if you should add them then you probably should just in case. It's just good manners.

Personally I try to use spoiler tags for any media less than a year old if I'm talking about the plot.

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Xiggz456 on Aug 12, 2021, 10:15:32 PM
While I'll always advocate for spoiler tags, you enter these threads at your own risk as soon as the product releases. I personally avoid the thread until I've finished reading to avoid both spoilers and opinions that could affect my own personal experience.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Aug 12, 2021, 10:34:29 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Aug 12, 2021, 10:15:32 PM
While I'll always advocate for spoiler tags, you enter these threads at your own risk as soon as the product releases. I personally avoid the thread until I've finished reading to avoid both spoilers and opinions that could affect my own personal experience.

Exactly
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 12, 2021, 11:02:50 PM
Kradan and xiggz u the real gs.




Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Prez on Aug 12, 2021, 11:57:38 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 12, 2021, 07:53:18 PM
In just a desire to seek enlightenment, there is a time where we all drop spoiler tags and just talk the film, show, or literary work at hand. I wonder what most feel here is the general acceptable time frame... unless one disagrees there is even such a thing.

I still get angry for people dropping the Vader is Luke's father spoiler.

;D
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: SiL on Aug 13, 2021, 01:09:02 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Aug 12, 2021, 10:15:32 PM
While I'll always advocate for spoiler tags, you enter these threads at your own risk as soon as the product releases. I personally avoid the thread until I've finished reading to avoid both spoilers and opinions that could affect my own personal experience.
Sure, you enter at your own risk. But when everyone else is showing the courtesy of using spoiler tags, and you're replying to someone using spoiler tags, maybe don't be a c**t and follow suit rather than being too lazy to push a button?

Food for thought.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kimarhi on Aug 13, 2021, 01:15:14 AM
It's almost as easy for you to not enter a thread talking about a book your totally going to read in the near future than it is for me to post a spoiler tag.


We can play the food for thought game all day baby. 

Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Aug 13, 2021, 05:11:02 AM
I still think it's a bit unfair to demand from people to not talk spoilers about something that was released 6 months ago in the most of the world. Even if it's just now being released in your country 'cause a) it's not their fault and b) they might even not know about time delay

We really need to establish some time frame for keeping spoilers. Hicks ?
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2021, 05:53:53 AM
It's a tricky one because like has been said it's only just come out in Australia and I wouldn't expect folk to be really aware of that since it's been out so long for the rest of us. But because it's been out for so long for the rest of us, it's clearly a danger to come into a thread talking about it.

Now we're aware of the circumstances, let's just remember it's only now coming out for some of our members, and let's just take the 10 seconds to add spoiler tags to any major plot points for the next month or so.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Kradan on Aug 13, 2021, 05:59:51 AM
Ok
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 13, 2021, 08:32:10 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 13, 2021, 01:15:14 AMIt's almost as easy for you to not enter a thread talking about a book your totally going to read in the near future than it is for me to post a spoiler tag.

Except he's given a perfectly good reason why he'd look in here.

Seriously, you click one button. Stop being such dicks about it.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2021, 08:44:08 AM
Let's move on now.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Torrens on Dec 29, 2021, 06:05:56 AM
I'm a fan of the series for 30 years now, though probably not as well versed as some of you. I went inside a Jeff Bezos store and got a promotion for his 21st century books on tape (on your phone) thing which I promptly forgot about. But some months later I check it out and there's several alien novels on there for free. I had always wanted to read an alien novel, but it's one of those things that I didn't get around to. I enjoyed the novelization of the Alien Isolation game. I listened to Alien Prototype which I liked less. Then I listened to Cold Forge and I could not stop. It was amazing storytelling made better by the fellow who read it (which I see some people disagree about). Listened to Podcasts and then fortunately Into Charybdis was also available so I heard that. Listened to all the Podcasts out there for the discussion afterwards which I also enjoyed. Cold Forge and Into Charybdis are incredible works, for this realm of expanded sci-fi fiction, or just incredible works in general. I probably would rate Cold Forge as the superior work, but Into Charybdis raises a lot of interest, concept sci-fi questions.

Spoiler
My reading of the Marsalis character is different than what the guys had discussed in the Podcast. I think they felt that she only briefly lost control in the transformation and afterwards was fully in control, just alien in body. But that's not the impression that I got. I think Marsalis raises a lot of interesting questions.

The Cold Forge really had no likeable characters, which people have stated before, including perhaps Marsalis. That of course, doesn't detract from the book. The Cold Forge Marsalis conducts these brutal experiments on a bioweapon project. She's trying to divert the resources towards a medical cause, but that's purely to extend her own life. She's obsessed with self preservation.

Chronologically (not chapter order) where her story picks off in Charybdis is that she uses the alien parasite material to transform her wasted body into a xenomorph queen, although she retains her mind and memories. Her boss tries to stop this and her first act post-transformation is to eat his brains. IIRC, it's written that she found the taste to be delicious and then stared at the rest of his body eager to strip off his flesh. That was one of the most horrifying things in the book, IMO. To what extent is her human mind able to override her xenomorph biology (think mind suppressing base hormonal urges)? Chronologically I think later in the book she tells one of the survivors that she knows what they "taste like". At the end of the book, when she carries Kamran through the hive he wonders that she saved him, but saved him for what? To eat? To be a host? He also wonders what kind of person would have wanted to work with xenomorphs. IIRC, Marsalis the alien is always salivating in front of the human survivors. At times when they annoy her she gets very angry going - just short of - full animal alien in her responses. Does she hate the humans deep down? Does she hunger for them? Is it just her extreme brainpower that keeps these instincts in check? I know some of this stuff is explored in the vampire literature/movies (which I'm not into) but the vampires look like people, and Marsalis has the body of a giant monster. There's a lot to unpack that really wasn't in the book but which could be explored in a prequel (like adventures of spacefaring Marsalis vs. science installations). Does she eat the humans? Only the ones who get in the way? Does she enjoy keeping company of the feral xenomorphs? How much human is preserved in there? Why does she care to carry on her experiments? She must know that there's no way back for her into society?!

Also the concept of being disembodied has more than can be explored. This was done really well in Robocop and perhaps even moreso in its over the top sequel Robocop 2. We know Dorian wanted to be an alien, but most people wouldn't. This would be a nightmare. But how does it feel for Marsalis who was disembodied for some time and piloting a robot host. How does it feel to be in the body of this giant monster alien? Given the Cold Forge' Marsalis obsession with self preservation, maybe like her adversary Dorian its one thing she has in common with him that perhaps she likes this on some level. Maybe she likes the size and power? She was also ostracized from human society, perhaps totally so after the death of her ex-girlfriend in Cold Forge. There's really a lot of questions and a lot to think about.
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Torrens on Dec 29, 2021, 07:56:29 AM
Part 2, few additional thoughts

In ST:TNG/Voyager there's storylines about how people can overcome their basic biology, instincts, or to a lesser extent culture. In ST:DS9 there's storylines about how the biology in particular is overriding. i.e. The Jem Hadar boy doesn't care for Odo's outlook and wants to go back to the Dominion as soon as he learns of it. Odo meets an older non-Dominion changeling who explains to him he finds nothing interesting about the "solids". This foreshadows Odo also returning to his people in the final episode, despite all the buildup about his relationship with Kira. It's interesting to look at this work through that lens.

Regarding Robocop 2, what's shown in the film is that they can't get anyone to cooperate for the Robocop 2 project. No one wants to be disembodied and controlling a robot host. So they find a sociopath obsessed with living forever. He has some gripes (murders his old girlfriend) but otherwise carries on with controlling his monstrous robot host, which unlike the original Robocop can never walk among people with a degree of acceptance (e.g. at least with his police colleagues).

Spoiler
To what extent does the same apply to Marsalis who has been reincarnated in this giant monstrous body, just like Robocain? There's no indication that she's unhappy with what she's got. IIRC, the books are written with third person omniscient perspective. In the Cold Forge, we get to see all of Dorian's dark thoughts. In Charybdis, the only time we learn what Marsalis is thinking is in the interludes, which precede the action of the book. On purpose, her motivations are concealed throughout the action that is taking place on the Charybdis planet, which leads to Kamran's thoughts questioning them almost at the end. In the end, we see that her actions were altruistic. I don't even like Psychology that much, but it would be fascinating to read about the Marsalis alien's thoughts in another work like a prequel (or sequel?!?!). Is she fighting the biological urge to eat everyone, while at the same time trying to save them?
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Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 29, 2021, 04:48:45 PM
Bloody love the character. (Evidently)
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2022, 11:33:28 AM
Amazon's just told me the paperback's been pushed back to 20th April.
Title: Re: Fan Favourite Alex White Returns With New Novel, Alien: Into Charybdis!
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 06, 2022, 01:14:28 PM
Printing delays has plagued the industry. :-\