Nostromo Revisited

Started by Frosty Venom, Feb 03, 2019, 05:38:05 AM

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Local Trouble


The Old One

The Old One

#31
I owe him an apology.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#32
I don't recall you saying anything particularly caustic.

The Old One

The Old One

#33
Perhaps.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#34
Indeed.

The Cruentus

The Cruentus

#35
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Alien_Theory/status/1092276391855349761

Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4IsLEgBHw

Start from 1.30

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger

Read from subduing the host section.

Start from 1.50

Read from implantation process.

And this continues with different parts of the sentences.

Some more. 3.03

Read from implantation process in this old version https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger#Implantation_process
from "the Facehugger deposits a tumor" to be specific.

Guess we know who is lying.




Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#36
I guess he doesn't deserve an apology after all.

SiL

SiL

#37
"No I don't plagiarise" -- Every plagiarist, ever.

SM

SM

#38
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 02:40:49 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Alien_Theory/status/1092276391855349761

Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4IsLEgBHw

Start from 1.30

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger

Read from subduing the host section.

Start from 1.50

Read from implantation process.

And this continues with different parts of the sentences.

Some more. 3.03

Read from implantation process in this old version https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger#Implantation_process
from "the Facehugger deposits a tumor" to be specific.

Guess we know who is lying.

I put a comment on the Weyland Yutani Corporate Timeline video noting that it was almost entirely lifted verbatim from the Weyland Corporate Timeline and WYR.  Can't find the comment anymore (that's not suggest it was removed - there's a lot of comments on that video and I just can't find mine).

A simple note in the lowbar mentioning the sources would've sufficed IMO.  Also would've headed off myriad repeated questions about where the information came from.

AlienTheory

AlienTheory

#39

Hello, I am wary of the overwhelming negativity in this thread and quite frightened to participate but would like to cite an integral source which was indeed cited verbally in the video mentioned.

http://www.serenadawn.com/Alien-TheCollectedEssays.htm

Also the Weyland Yutani Report but I don't think that was verbally cited. The video is 2 years old but I was able to dig up the script from my files.

I can't really offer anything else than these so you can accept that or not.


Some choice words and phrases have been said about myself and my work which is a little upsetting but also of value in a way. I'm not sure. Will have to meditate on it.

I am not salvation or a parasite, just want to share cool Alien stuff... I love doing the videos but I am not a spam channel that swallows up wikis related to any popular franchise and spits them out into tepid, passionless teleprompter fuel. Perhaps you are aware of these channels. Perhaps, in your opinion, I'm no better than them, or all just blend together.



OP wanted to share something he enjoyed but I think was scared off. That's too bad. I think OP deserves an apology, tbh. Not me.

Please be advised I am not looking to enter into a debate in this thread and this will probably be my only post here. If there are concerns I can be reached via twitter. I don't want to leave on anything negative but please reach out to me on twitter if this is more severe than just shouting into the void. I have been plagiarized many times before and I know it's not a good feeling and I don't want anyone feeling that way. But I should probably go before I start auditing myself and all my scripts to preemptively defend myself against another attempt at a "gotcha!". Sounds like a bad idea to me. But please don't interpret the lack of further participation in this thread as any admission of wrong-doing. I stand by my original response. Plus there's no good in hanging around and chatting with people who apparently hate me so it will just all go in circles anyway. There is no hate on my end.


Take care,

AT




SM

SM

#40
Citing sources and rewording a script so it isn't simply copied and pasted isn't difficult.

SiL

SiL

#41
I don't understand. Examples were given where he took stuff verbatim from the wiki and he just ... doubled down on "I don't do that"?

At least I hope he took the constructive part for this video, citations aside. If you're going to make 90 minute audio dramas, they've got to be more engaging. It takes professionals to make just their voice interesting; if you haven't got that going for you, use music and SFX to liven it up and maintain interest.

The Cruentus

The Cruentus

#42
Quote from: SM on Feb 05, 2019, 04:00:43 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 02:40:49 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Alien_Theory/status/1092276391855349761

Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4IsLEgBHw

Start from 1.30

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger

Read from subduing the host section.

Start from 1.50

Read from implantation process.

And this continues with different parts of the sentences.

Some more. 3.03

Read from implantation process in this old version https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger#Implantation_process
from "the Facehugger deposits a tumor" to be specific.

Guess we know who is lying.

I put a comment on the Weyland Yutani Corporate Timeline video noting that it was almost entirely lifted verbatim from the Weyland Corporate Timeline and WYR.  Can't find the comment anymore (that's not suggest it was removed - there's a lot of comments on that video and I just can't find mine).

A simple note in the lowbar mentioning the sources would've sufficed IMO.  Also would've headed off myriad repeated questions about where the information came from.

I did the same once for Hybrid Network's plagiarism, I never saw that comment appear.

AlienTheory, you may not stick around to read this but you are a plagiarist, you have done wrong, you have taken the work of muliple users and used it for your videos without attributation Worse still, anyone seeing those videos and have subcribed to you means that you will be potentially making money from it as it is subscription numbers that factor into youtube payment, even if the video itself is not being monetized.

As the others have said, it doesn't take five minutes to put "this information is from X" in your videos. Yet you haven't. You don't want to be called a parasite and plagiarist? Then don't act like one, cite your sources, give attribution to the sources you taken the information from.

Wanting to share cool stuff is not an excuse, AVPgalaxy posts out original videos, you could have as well.

Because of you and the other youtubers, we are seriously considering looking into changing our license, as well as going to youtube about the lack of citation and at worst I am considering making my own videos and if anyone goes "wait a minute, this is familiar" and I will reply "yes, that because the following list of users have plagiarized from our wiki"  Because if nothing can be done licence wise or youtube doesn't do anything, I will have to sink low and instead settle for naming and shaming those who plagiarize. And not just from our wiki but any content or other wikis I find the videos have been reading word for word from.

Its no good feeling bad about negativity when you bring it on yourself, how do you think those you steal from feel? I strongly suggest you start amending those videos and in future you give attribution to those you take from.

AlienTheory

AlienTheory

#43
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 05, 2019, 04:00:43 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 02:40:49 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Alien_Theory/status/1092276391855349761

Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4IsLEgBHw

Start from 1.30

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger

Read from subduing the host section.

Start from 1.50

Read from implantation process.

And this continues with different parts of the sentences.

Some more. 3.03

Read from implantation process in this old version https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger#Implantation_process
from "the Facehugger deposits a tumor" to be specific.

Guess we know who is lying.

I put a comment on the Weyland Yutani Corporate Timeline video noting that it was almost entirely lifted verbatim from the Weyland Corporate Timeline and WYR.  Can't find the comment anymore (that's not suggest it was removed - there's a lot of comments on that video and I just can't find mine).

A simple note in the lowbar mentioning the sources would've sufficed IMO.  Also would've headed off myriad repeated questions about where the information came from.

I did the same once for Hybrid Network's plagiarism, I never saw that comment appear.

AlienTheory, you may not stick around to read this but you are a plagiarist, you have done wrong, you have taken the work of muliple users and used it for your videos without attributation Worse still, anyone seeing those videos and have subcribed to you means that you will be potentially making money from it as it is subscription numbers that factor into youtube payment, even if the video itself is not being monetized.

As the others have said, it doesn't take five minutes to put "this information is from X" in your videos. Yet you haven't. You don't want to be called a parasite and plagiarist? Then don't act like one, cite your sources, give attribution to the sources you taken the information from.

Wanting to share cool stuff is not an excuse, AVPgalaxy posts out original videos, you could have as well.

Because of you and the other youtubers, we are seriously considering looking into changing our license, as well as going to youtube about the lack of citation and at worst I am considering making my own videos and if anyone goes "wait a minute, this is familiar" and I will reply "yes, that because the following list of users have plagiarized from our wiki"  Because if nothing can be done licence wise or youtube doesn't do anything, I will have to sink low and instead settle for naming and shaming those who plagiarize. And not just from our wiki but any content or other wikis I find the videos have been reading word for word from.

Its no good feeling bad about negativity when you bring it on yourself, how do you think those you steal from feel? I strongly suggest you start amending those videos and in future you give attribution to those you take from.


Hello. I am around. This does not sound like void shouting to me and my concern is legitimate. I hope you understand that it is difficult to address generalizations. Well, even when I got into specifics it was not satisfactory to SiL and SM whose minds seem already made up anyway. I would like to clarify that by "share" I mean share excerpts - commonly and very evidently from this most recent video at length. I was not referring to a wiki.

I'd rather be an ally than a parasite but I just need more to work with. You may not believe it but I don't want to devalue the hard work of others, just as I don't want my hard work devalued. Its stock is already low in this thread and I don't know how to feel about being hate-watched for 90-minutes.Constructively, of course.

I have just about every script backed up, I can audit. I can put down the defenses and listen. I'm willing to put in the work if you are.I don't have that many videos anyway. It would be a reasonable endeavor to go through what is familiar and from where. Obviously in a more thorough way than previously in this thread. I'd like to address any bad blood and I'd like to come out of it with us both satisfied and feeling like something was resolved. But no name-calling, I just ask that.

If you'd be kind enough to offer some of your time we could correspond. We're both busy I'm sure so it doesn't need to be in one shot, it can be over a period of time. But if I misinterpreted what you are saying and you only wanted to say just that and that is your peace then I accept that as well.

If you want to follow each other on twitter and exchange emails and start these correspondences my handle is @Alien_Theory.

I hope you understand why I don't want to do this on a forum where my fan club is constructively telling me what an asshole I am.

Anyway, I hope you hear from you.

AT

The Cruentus

The Cruentus

#44
Like I said, you have to give credit/attribution to the work you take because its not your work and taking credit or at least misleading others, whether intentional or not, is not a very nice thing to do. If you really care about others and do not wish to offend, then go back to your videos that have done this, edit them and give credit to the source of where you taking the information from, even if its only a paragraph that has been taken.

Needing more to work with is not an excuse either, you could just watch the movies, read the books, play the games and see behind the scenes and other documantaries and interviews to get the info, don''t take it from xenopedia.

If you are serious about not wanting bad blood then you need to prove it, show us that you wish to respect our work. Any video of yours that has taken information from a source without attribution needs to be addressed, preferrably in the video itself rather merely in the description since not many people actually read the description under the video it seems.

And I do understand why you don't want to do this here but you need to realize that this negativity doesn't come from nowhere, there is a reason for it. If you want to change that then you got to be original and start respecting the sources by citing them.. That is all you ever needed to do. I hope you take this to heart and start doing it. You may then find yourself getting respect from us if your work is original or citing the sources.

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