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Title: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Frosty Venom on Feb 03, 2019, 05:38:05 AM
This is such a great retelling of the events of Alien using Alan Dean Foster's Alien novelisation, The Weyland Yutani Report, Heavy Metal's comic adaptation of Alien and Female War.

Spot on editing and narration by Alien Theory, the true salvation of the Alien franchise.


Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2019, 07:00:05 AM
"salvation"?   ???
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Frosty Venom on Feb 03, 2019, 07:04:42 AM
Preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2019, 07:11:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 03, 2019, 07:00:05 AM
"salvation"?   ???

Apparently Alien Theory is the torchbearer.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2019, 07:36:47 AM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 03, 2019, 07:04:42 AM
Preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss.

Clickbaity videos suffixed with 'explained' that lift material without attribution.

Franchise is doing just fine.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2019, 07:45:30 AM
Are they as egregious as CinemaSins?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2019, 08:00:04 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2019, 07:45:30 AM
Are they as egregious as CinemaSins?

That's a low blow.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2019, 08:08:40 AM
What if you were stranded on a desert island with Randy, Ben Shapiro and CinemaSins?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Old One on Feb 03, 2019, 08:10:20 AM
What's the difficult choice?

Deciding which one's head to bash in with a rock and eat first?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2019, 08:27:02 AM
That's pretty dark.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2019, 08:27:20 AM
What is this? Desert Island Dicks?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2019, 08:29:00 AM
It's more like your own personal version of Dr. Reinhardt's fate in The Black Hole.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 03, 2019, 01:10:49 PM
I've used his videos for research when I started writing my fanfiction. Now we're friends on Twitter, which is something I didn't expect would happen.

Some of what you guys are saying is a little hurtful, in my opinion. You do you, I guess. He does enjoy Alien 3, which you'd notice if you actually followed his content. The Earth War series is one of the better things he's done on his channel, and a lot of people are enjoying it.

I'm not here to argue, though. I'm just tired of hiding in the shadows and waiting for Hicks to say something about attitudes, especially when that negativity is being fired at someone I've gotten close to over the last year. Maybe it's just emotional attachment and I should just back off and not say anything.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Frosty Venom on Feb 03, 2019, 01:14:48 PM
Yeah people need to chill. Fair amount of negativity going on.

But to be fair I think SM was still triggered from a canon war with TurokSwe and I.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SiL on Feb 03, 2019, 01:30:20 PM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 03, 2019, 01:14:48 PM
Yeah people need to chill. Fair amount of negativity going on.

But to be fair I think SM was still triggered from a canon war with TurokSwe and I.

Or

Quote from: SM on Feb 03, 2019, 07:36:47 AM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 03, 2019, 07:04:42 AM
Preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss.

Clickbaity videos suffixed with 'explained' that lift material without attribution.

Franchise is doing just fine.

Being his material in many cases.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Xenomrph on Feb 03, 2019, 05:15:22 PM
Yeah I think people would be more forgiving if he acknowledged his sources, even if it was just a string of links in the video description. Like, I can dig videos that just explain/summarize a topic and I can just let the video play in the background while I do other stuff, almost like a mini-audiobook, but cite your sources and acknowledge other people's work. :P
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Old One on Feb 03, 2019, 05:37:16 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 03, 2019, 07:30:33 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 03, 2019, 01:10:49 PM
I've used his videos for research when I started writing my fanfiction. Now we're friends on Twitter, which is something I didn't expect would happen.

Some of what you guys are saying is a little hurtful, in my opinion. You do you, I guess. He does enjoy Alien 3, which you'd notice if you actually followed his content. The Earth War series is one of the better things he's done on his channel, and a lot of people are enjoying it.

I'm not here to argue, though. I'm just tired of hiding in the shadows and waiting for Hicks to say something about attitudes, especially when that negativity is being fired at someone I've gotten close to over the last year. Maybe it's just emotional attachment and I should just back off and not say anything.

With no offence or hurt intended to you, I would not rely on Alien theory or any other of the youtubers, they tend to plagiarize from our wiki. If you watch some of their videos while looking at the article of the subject they are talking about on our wiki, you will find they literally reading right off our pages on some of their videos. they are parasites in my opinion. If you going to make videos about a subject regardless if its Alien3 or even Requiem, it should be original and not work stolen from other contributors. Hicks and AVPGalaxy have not been doing it, their videos have been original so far and its brilliant. Originality and good presentation is its own reward and will get respect.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2019, 09:13:00 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 03, 2019, 01:10:49 PM
I've used his videos for research when I started writing my fanfiction. Now we're friends on Twitter, which is something I didn't expect would happen.

Some of what you guys are saying is a little hurtful, in my opinion. You do you, I guess. He does enjoy Alien 3, which you'd notice if you actually followed his content. The Earth War series is one of the better things he's done on his channel, and a lot of people are enjoying it.

I'm not here to argue, though. I'm just tired of hiding in the shadows and waiting for Hicks to say something about attitudes, especially when that negativity is being fired at someone I've gotten close to over the last year. Maybe it's just emotional attachment and I should just back off and not say anything.

Possibly the latter.

Those of us who don't care for the content have outlined why. 
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 03, 2019, 09:47:20 PM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 03, 2019, 01:14:48 PM
But to be fair I think SM was still triggered from a canon war with TurokSwe and I.

No need, Frosty. Let's not let things get personal, please.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2019, 11:08:35 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 03, 2019, 01:10:49 PM
I've used his videos for research when I started writing my fanfiction. Now we're friends on Twitter, which is something I didn't expect would happen.

Maybe give him a heads up that he's ruffling some feathers by not giving at least a brief shout-out to his sources?  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 03, 2019, 11:21:54 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2019, 11:08:35 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 03, 2019, 01:10:49 PM
I've used his videos for research when I started writing my fanfiction. Now we're friends on Twitter, which is something I didn't expect would happen.

Maybe give him a heads up that he's ruffling some feathers by not giving at least a brief shout-out to his sources?  Just a thought.

He did make a works cited video last January. I don't remember all that was mentioned, though.

I'll talk to him about it tomorrow. I really don't want to play mediator lest it starts causing friction on both sides.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2019, 11:32:40 PM
Or you could just send him a link to this thread and let him see for himself.  You're just the messenger.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 03:06:36 AM
Back to the topic, I tried to get into the video -- but I don't get the point? The narration is bland and the lack of any music or sound effects makes it really hard to get engaged.

EDIT

... I take that back, general lack of music, not total.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 03:26:27 AM
Don't they have to be careful about that if they don't want to get demonetized?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 03:31:36 AM
There's plenty of free music and sounds they could add to liven it up. It's just really, really dry.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Frosty Venom on Feb 04, 2019, 04:54:01 AM
A lot of audiobooks don't use any music. Maybe audiobooks just ain't your thang. And as SailingRabbit said he has made a works cited video. He also cited the work used for this video on his instagram and twitter so yeah.

Sorry Hicks, was trying to be light-hearted.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 05:04:56 AM
So it's supposed to be an audiobook?

That I get. I don't mind them when they're well-read, but his voice is very flat and monotone throughout the piece, even when he's trying to play the different characters. Since he was combining different sources, I also wasn't sure if he was trying to interject different information into the story, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 04, 2019, 05:32:26 AM
I started to watch it but also found it very flat.  Way too flat to watch 90 minutes worth of stuff I've been intimately familiar with for the better part of 30 years.

(Familiar enough to be pretty sure Hankerson isn't Company).
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 11:27:00 AM
If he'd turned it into an animated version of the comic, that would be cool.

...hell, if I had any significant spare time that sounds like a fun project. Alas I do not.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Alien_Theory/status/1092276391855349761
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Old One on Feb 04, 2019, 07:45:26 PM
I owe him an apology.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 08:05:09 PM
I don't recall you saying anything particularly caustic.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Old One on Feb 04, 2019, 10:29:22 PM
Perhaps.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 10:48:37 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 02:40:49 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Alien_Theory/status/1092276391855349761

Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4IsLEgBHw

Start from 1.30

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger

Read from subduing the host section.

Start from 1.50

Read from implantation process.

And this continues with different parts of the sentences.

Some more. 3.03

Read from implantation process in this old version https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger#Implantation_process
from "the Facehugger deposits a tumor" to be specific.

Guess we know who is lying.



Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 03:07:28 AM
I guess he doesn't deserve an apology after all.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SiL on Feb 05, 2019, 03:24:21 AM
"No I don't plagiarise" -- Every plagiarist, ever.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 05, 2019, 04:00:43 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 02:40:49 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Alien_Theory/status/1092276391855349761

Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4IsLEgBHw

Start from 1.30

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger

Read from subduing the host section.

Start from 1.50

Read from implantation process.

And this continues with different parts of the sentences.

Some more. 3.03

Read from implantation process in this old version https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger#Implantation_process
from "the Facehugger deposits a tumor" to be specific.

Guess we know who is lying.

I put a comment on the Weyland Yutani Corporate Timeline video noting that it was almost entirely lifted verbatim from the Weyland Corporate Timeline and WYR.  Can't find the comment anymore (that's not suggest it was removed - there's a lot of comments on that video and I just can't find mine).

A simple note in the lowbar mentioning the sources would've sufficed IMO.  Also would've headed off myriad repeated questions about where the information came from.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: AlienTheory on Feb 05, 2019, 05:15:33 AM

Hello, I am wary of the overwhelming negativity in this thread and quite frightened to participate but would like to cite an integral source which was indeed cited verbally in the video mentioned.

http://www.serenadawn.com/Alien-TheCollectedEssays.htm

Also the Weyland Yutani Report but I don't think that was verbally cited. The video is 2 years old but I was able to dig up the script from my files.

I can't really offer anything else than these so you can accept that or not.


Some choice words and phrases have been said about myself and my work which is a little upsetting but also of value in a way. I'm not sure. Will have to meditate on it.

I am not salvation or a parasite, just want to share cool Alien stuff... I love doing the videos but I am not a spam channel that swallows up wikis related to any popular franchise and spits them out into tepid, passionless teleprompter fuel. Perhaps you are aware of these channels. Perhaps, in your opinion, I'm no better than them, or all just blend together.



OP wanted to share something he enjoyed but I think was scared off. That's too bad. I think OP deserves an apology, tbh. Not me.

Please be advised I am not looking to enter into a debate in this thread and this will probably be my only post here. If there are concerns I can be reached via twitter. I don't want to leave on anything negative but please reach out to me on twitter if this is more severe than just shouting into the void. I have been plagiarized many times before and I know it's not a good feeling and I don't want anyone feeling that way. But I should probably go before I start auditing myself and all my scripts to preemptively defend myself against another attempt at a "gotcha!". Sounds like a bad idea to me. But please don't interpret the lack of further participation in this thread as any admission of wrong-doing. I stand by my original response. Plus there's no good in hanging around and chatting with people who apparently hate me so it will just all go in circles anyway. There is no hate on my end.


Take care,

AT



Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 05, 2019, 08:24:53 AM
Citing sources and rewording a script so it isn't simply copied and pasted isn't difficult.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SiL on Feb 05, 2019, 08:37:58 AM
I don't understand. Examples were given where he took stuff verbatim from the wiki and he just ... doubled down on "I don't do that"?

At least I hope he took the constructive part for this video, citations aside. If you're going to make 90 minute audio dramas, they've got to be more engaging. It takes professionals to make just their voice interesting; if you haven't got that going for you, use music and SFX to liven it up and maintain interest.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 05, 2019, 04:00:43 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 02:40:49 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Alien_Theory/status/1092276391855349761

Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4IsLEgBHw

Start from 1.30

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger

Read from subduing the host section.

Start from 1.50

Read from implantation process.

And this continues with different parts of the sentences.

Some more. 3.03

Read from implantation process in this old version https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger#Implantation_process
from "the Facehugger deposits a tumor" to be specific.

Guess we know who is lying.

I put a comment on the Weyland Yutani Corporate Timeline video noting that it was almost entirely lifted verbatim from the Weyland Corporate Timeline and WYR.  Can't find the comment anymore (that's not suggest it was removed - there's a lot of comments on that video and I just can't find mine).

A simple note in the lowbar mentioning the sources would've sufficed IMO.  Also would've headed off myriad repeated questions about where the information came from.

I did the same once for Hybrid Network's plagiarism, I never saw that comment appear.

AlienTheory, you may not stick around to read this but you are a plagiarist, you have done wrong, you have taken the work of muliple users and used it for your videos without attributation Worse still, anyone seeing those videos and have subcribed to you means that you will be potentially making money from it as it is subscription numbers that factor into youtube payment, even if the video itself is not being monetized.

As the others have said, it doesn't take five minutes to put "this information is from X" in your videos. Yet you haven't. You don't want to be called a parasite and plagiarist? Then don't act like one, cite your sources, give attribution to the sources you taken the information from.

Wanting to share cool stuff is not an excuse, AVPgalaxy posts out original videos, you could have as well.

Because of you and the other youtubers, we are seriously considering looking into changing our license, as well as going to youtube about the lack of citation and at worst I am considering making my own videos and if anyone goes "wait a minute, this is familiar" and I will reply "yes, that because the following list of users have plagiarized from our wiki"  Because if nothing can be done licence wise or youtube doesn't do anything, I will have to sink low and instead settle for naming and shaming those who plagiarize. And not just from our wiki but any content or other wikis I find the videos have been reading word for word from.

Its no good feeling bad about negativity when you bring it on yourself, how do you think those you steal from feel? I strongly suggest you start amending those videos and in future you give attribution to those you take from.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: AlienTheory on Feb 05, 2019, 02:35:00 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 05, 2019, 04:00:43 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 02:40:49 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Alien_Theory/status/1092276391855349761

Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4IsLEgBHw

Start from 1.30

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger

Read from subduing the host section.

Start from 1.50

Read from implantation process.

And this continues with different parts of the sentences.

Some more. 3.03

Read from implantation process in this old version https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger#Implantation_process
from "the Facehugger deposits a tumor" to be specific.

Guess we know who is lying.

I put a comment on the Weyland Yutani Corporate Timeline video noting that it was almost entirely lifted verbatim from the Weyland Corporate Timeline and WYR.  Can't find the comment anymore (that's not suggest it was removed - there's a lot of comments on that video and I just can't find mine).

A simple note in the lowbar mentioning the sources would've sufficed IMO.  Also would've headed off myriad repeated questions about where the information came from.

I did the same once for Hybrid Network's plagiarism, I never saw that comment appear.

AlienTheory, you may not stick around to read this but you are a plagiarist, you have done wrong, you have taken the work of muliple users and used it for your videos without attributation Worse still, anyone seeing those videos and have subcribed to you means that you will be potentially making money from it as it is subscription numbers that factor into youtube payment, even if the video itself is not being monetized.

As the others have said, it doesn't take five minutes to put "this information is from X" in your videos. Yet you haven't. You don't want to be called a parasite and plagiarist? Then don't act like one, cite your sources, give attribution to the sources you taken the information from.

Wanting to share cool stuff is not an excuse, AVPgalaxy posts out original videos, you could have as well.

Because of you and the other youtubers, we are seriously considering looking into changing our license, as well as going to youtube about the lack of citation and at worst I am considering making my own videos and if anyone goes "wait a minute, this is familiar" and I will reply "yes, that because the following list of users have plagiarized from our wiki"  Because if nothing can be done licence wise or youtube doesn't do anything, I will have to sink low and instead settle for naming and shaming those who plagiarize. And not just from our wiki but any content or other wikis I find the videos have been reading word for word from.

Its no good feeling bad about negativity when you bring it on yourself, how do you think those you steal from feel? I strongly suggest you start amending those videos and in future you give attribution to those you take from.


Hello. I am around. This does not sound like void shouting to me and my concern is legitimate. I hope you understand that it is difficult to address generalizations. Well, even when I got into specifics it was not satisfactory to SiL and SM whose minds seem already made up anyway. I would like to clarify that by "share" I mean share excerpts - commonly and very evidently from this most recent video at length. I was not referring to a wiki.

I'd rather be an ally than a parasite but I just need more to work with. You may not believe it but I don't want to devalue the hard work of others, just as I don't want my hard work devalued. Its stock is already low in this thread and I don't know how to feel about being hate-watched for 90-minutes.Constructively, of course.

I have just about every script backed up, I can audit. I can put down the defenses and listen. I'm willing to put in the work if you are.I don't have that many videos anyway. It would be a reasonable endeavor to go through what is familiar and from where. Obviously in a more thorough way than previously in this thread. I'd like to address any bad blood and I'd like to come out of it with us both satisfied and feeling like something was resolved. But no name-calling, I just ask that.

If you'd be kind enough to offer some of your time we could correspond. We're both busy I'm sure so it doesn't need to be in one shot, it can be over a period of time. But if I misinterpreted what you are saying and you only wanted to say just that and that is your peace then I accept that as well.

If you want to follow each other on twitter and exchange emails and start these correspondences my handle is @Alien_Theory.

I hope you understand why I don't want to do this on a forum where my fan club is constructively telling me what an asshole I am.

Anyway, I hope you hear from you.

AT
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 03:31:07 PM
Like I said, you have to give credit/attribution to the work you take because its not your work and taking credit or at least misleading others, whether intentional or not, is not a very nice thing to do. If you really care about others and do not wish to offend, then go back to your videos that have done this, edit them and give credit to the source of where you taking the information from, even if its only a paragraph that has been taken.

Needing more to work with is not an excuse either, you could just watch the movies, read the books, play the games and see behind the scenes and other documantaries and interviews to get the info, don''t take it from xenopedia.

If you are serious about not wanting bad blood then you need to prove it, show us that you wish to respect our work. Any video of yours that has taken information from a source without attribution needs to be addressed, preferrably in the video itself rather merely in the description since not many people actually read the description under the video it seems.

And I do understand why you don't want to do this here but you need to realize that this negativity doesn't come from nowhere, there is a reason for it. If you want to change that then you got to be original and start respecting the sources by citing them.. That is all you ever needed to do. I hope you take this to heart and start doing it. You may then find yourself getting respect from us if your work is original or citing the sources.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 04:05:52 PM
Wow, I did not expect to wake up to this.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Kurgan on Feb 05, 2019, 04:11:07 PM
Was it everything you hoped for?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 04:21:23 PM
It will be if it results in satisfaction for all the involved parties.  I don't have a dog in this fight though.

I'm a bit surprised that AlienTheory was never registered on AvPG before all this, however.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: AlienTheory on Feb 05, 2019, 05:01:31 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 03:31:07 PM
Like I said, you have to give credit/attribution to the work you take because its not your work and taking credit or at least misleading others, whether intentional or not, is not a very nice thing to do. If you really care about others and do not wish to offend, then go back to your videos that have done this, edit them and give credit to the source of where you taking the information from, even if its only a paragraph that has been taken.

Needing more to work with is not an excuse either, you could just watch the movies, read the books, play the games and see behind the scenes and other documantaries and interviews to get the info, don''t take it from xenopedia.

If you are serious about not wanting bad blood then you need to prove it, show us that you wish to respect our work. Any video of yours that has taken information from a source without attribution needs to be addressed, preferrably in the video itself rather merely in the description since not many people actually read the description under the video it seems.

And I do understand why you don't want to do this here but you need to realize that this negativity doesn't come from nowhere, there is a reason for it. If you want to change that then you got to be original and start respecting the sources by citing them.. That is all you ever needed to do. I hope you take this to heart and start doing it. You may then find yourself getting respect from us if your work is original or citing the sources.


There has been a misunderstanding here and if I communicated poorly I am sorry. When I said that I needed more to work with I meant in specific regard to the accusations of plagiarism. Generalizations are being made about my videos, and my citations. I cannot work worth being told my videos are stolen and I need to cite them. That is broad.

I've made videos where I cite a source verbally, show a picture of the book on screen, name the book, name the author, go into the excerpt,  and still will get comments asking "where'd you get this information?" so I don't know. I really don't.

So another concern here is how easily what I'm communicating can be misconstrued. "I want to share cool stuff about Alien" has already been interpreted as "I'm taking from your wiki and don't care," and "I need more to work with" has been interpreted as "I'm too lazy to do my own work so I lift from your wiki too bad." That is not true. That devalues my hard work and research. It is more than that...it is passion -- a passion I recognize unquestionably in you. I respect that even if I'm catching shrapnel from you. It is your baby. You are protective of it. I understand entirely. I feel the same way about my work which is why I'm here running in circles like I swore I wouldn't. But I simply cannot work with "you're stealing stuff and you need to cite" ... you cannot expect me to take that constructively. That is unreasonable.

Again I'd like to talk to you in non-forum correspondences and hammer this out. You could list some videos and we could compare resources and work together to understand each other. We are not aligned at the moment but that could change. Or we can just walk away feeling bad. Trust me, I feel bad -- I feel slandered, offended, taken out of context....I feel bad. You've made it clear how you feel.

Where do we go from here? I told you what I'd like to do.

Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 05, 2019, 05:15:02 PM
What a silly discussion.

When you take information from a source, you cite where you got it. What is so hard about that? It doesnt matter what your intentions are for the information or your reasons for using it. You cite your sources, its professional and courteous. Its also a concept that has been around forever.

The only response necessary from Alien Theory is "sorry i copied some of your work word for word, i will go back and cite my videos and will continue to cite my sources in future videos"

There really is no other appropriate response here.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: AlienTheory on Feb 05, 2019, 05:28:09 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 05, 2019, 05:15:02 PM
What a silly discussion.

When you take information from a source, you cite where you got it. What is so hard about that? It doesnt matter what your intentions are for the information or your reasons for using it. You cite your sources, its professional and courteous. Its also a concept that has been around forever.

The only response necessary from Alien Theory is "sorry i copied some of your work word for word, i will go back and cite my videos and will continue to cite my sources in future videos"

There really is no other appropriate response here.


Quote from: AlienTheory on Feb 05, 2019, 05:01:31 PM

I've made videos where I cite a source verbally, show a picture of the book on screen, name the book, name the author, go into the excerpt,  and still will get comments asking "where'd you get this information?" so I don't know. I really don't.



I agree this is a silly discussion because literally everyone's mind is made up here so I don't know. I really don't. Maybe it was a mistake coming here.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 05:33:51 PM
I think the biggest complaint is your word-for-word recitation of Xenopedia entries, not books.  However, at least you're willing to work it out with Cruentus.  That's a good sign.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: AlienTheory on Feb 05, 2019, 05:43:16 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 05:33:51 PM
I think the biggest complaint is your word-for-word recitation of Xenopedia entries, not books.  However, at least you're willing to work it out with Cruentus.  That's a good sign.

A book like the colonial marines tech manual for example, I don't mean limited to novels and stories etc.

I'm willing to work with Cruentus but I'm starting to see where this is all going and it's looking like the "Everyone walks away feeling bad" option is going to win.


Nostromo Revisited....pretty good video. Enjoyable. Little long. 6/10 from me.

Sorry Frosty Venom.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 05:48:52 PM
When it comes to the officially licensed material, I think you may be covered under fair use (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use).
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: AlienTheory on Feb 05, 2019, 06:00:35 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 05:48:52 PM
When it comes to the officially licensed material, I think you may be covered under fair use (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use).

Of course, as is the Xenopedia.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SiL on Feb 05, 2019, 08:38:59 PM
All anyone's asking is that when you quote Xenopedia word for word, just add a link to the relevant article in the description. That's it. It's really not that hard a concept.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: AlienTheory on Feb 05, 2019, 09:10:01 PM
Should that occasion arise I'll be sure to.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SiL on Feb 05, 2019, 10:29:29 PM
Will you be going back and linking articles in existing videos where you've clearly read parts word for word? Cruentus already posted one with time stamps.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Xenomrph on Feb 05, 2019, 10:51:26 PM
This reminds me that I really should become a more active contributor/editor for Xenopedia, and rebuild my AvP Let's Play videos and get them on YouTube.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 05, 2019, 11:19:42 PM
Quote from: AlienTheory on Feb 05, 2019, 09:10:01 PM
Should that occasion arise I'll be sure to.

So you are denying that you didnt cite your sources? Even with the information provided by Cruentus?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: MaineXeno on Feb 06, 2019, 03:39:41 AM
I don't get why people are attacking Alien Theory but are perfectly happy with Hybrid Network or Mr. Hreviews. At least he doesn't make clickbait titles about rumors or goes around acting like his opinion is greater than everyone else's is. I'm pretty sure I have heard him cite xenopedia before. 
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 06, 2019, 03:45:17 AM
Who said they were perfectly happy with Hybrid Network or Mr H Reviews?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: judge death on Feb 06, 2019, 03:46:13 AM
Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 06, 2019, 03:39:41 AM
I don't get why people are attacking Alien Theory but are perfectly happy with Hybrid Network or Mr. Hreviews. At least he doesn't make clickbait titles about rumors or goes around acting like his opinion is greater than everyone else's is. I'm pretty sure I have heard him cite xenopedia before.
In due time ;) I list them all as: I check avpgalaxy and its trends and then I make a video about what is the most popular subject. Seen way too many similarities between SM or one of the bigger users here creating a thread or post something interesting/new what is going on or explaining the movies and soon there is a youtube video rereading the same things....
Also found watching their videos a total waste of time, its mostly reading about what happened in the movie and some reading from the novels/books without naming any sources, like in one video about: Alien vs newborn who would win? Ends with never coming up with any original materials or trying to tell who would actually win but just read what happened in the movie, and end with: Write in the comments, would the alien or the newborn win a fight?

Sigh, if one watched the movie one should know 90% what is said in the youtube video and an answer I already have, waste of my time.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: MaineXeno on Feb 06, 2019, 04:20:33 AM
I'm seeing a lot of accusations being thrown at him, but there is something missing, I think it's a thing called evidence.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 06, 2019, 05:05:14 AM
Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 06, 2019, 04:20:33 AM
I'm seeing a lot of accusations being thrown at him, but there is something missing, I think it's a thing called evidence.

Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 02:40:49 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Alien_Theory/status/1092276391855349761

Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4IsLEgBHw

Start from 1.30

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger

Read from subduing the host section.

Start from 1.50

Read from implantation process.

And this continues with different parts of the sentences.

Some more. 3.03

Read from implantation process in this old version https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger#Implantation_process
from "the Facehugger deposits a tumor" to be specific.

Guess we know who is lying.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Frosty Venom on Feb 06, 2019, 05:12:46 AM
I feel partly responsible for bringing about this negative interaction and for that I apologize. Alien Theory has the respectability to come on here and address the issues you guys seem to have with him in a mature way and you still revert to cynicism and what could be seen as bullying.

Alien Theory can clearly stand up for himself and back that up with evidence and I don't really want to call anyone out. But it seems to be the same type of people that often shut down other members of this forum whenever they express opinions that the former don't agree with. It's quite often done with an arrogant and conceited attitude and normally ends with a stagnation of the topic at hand.

Hopefully some good can come of this though and the two parties can resolve their issues.

I just wanted to share something that I thoroughly enjoyed with other members of this forum. Alien Theory clearly works very hard on his videos and I thank him for his contribution of quality Alien content.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SiL on Feb 06, 2019, 05:25:17 AM
He hasn't addressed them in a mature way at all.

His counter-evidence to a post giving actual time codes to his plagiarism is "Yeah but I mention books in my videos sometimes." He's admitted no wrongdoing, deflected any attempt at actually reaching the issue, and continues to act like there's nothing he can do because clearly we're all just out to get him.

This has nothing to do with opinions. This has to do with someone stealing material and then arrogantly claiming they aren't, and that any claims to the contrary are just "vague", even when repeatedly given explicit examples.

He does work very hard on these video. And other fans also work very hard for the content he lifts word-for-word without a credit.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 06, 2019, 05:35:00 AM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 06, 2019, 05:12:46 AM
I feel partly responsible for bringing about this negative interaction and for that I apologize. Alien Theory has the respectability to come on here and address the issues you guys seem to have with him in a mature way and you still revert to cynicism and what could be seen as bullying.

Alien Theory can clearly stand up for himself and back that up with evidence and I don't really want to call anyone out. But it seems to be the same type of people that often shut down other members of this forum whenever they express opinions that the former don't agree with. It's quite often done with an arrogant and conceited attitude and normally ends with a stagnation of the topic at hand.

Hopefully some good can come of this though and the two parties can resolve their issues.

I just wanted to share something that I thoroughly enjoyed with other members of this forum. Alien Theory clearly works very hard on his videos and I thank him for his contribution of quality Alien content.

So he's shown to be lifting material from others without attribution - and he's the victim now?

Here's another one if you're interested.


Almost entirely word-for-word from The Weyland Yutani Report, with the odd embellishment.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 06, 2019, 11:24:41 AM
Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 06, 2019, 03:39:41 AM
I don't get why people are attacking Alien Theory but are perfectly happy with Hybrid Network or Mr. Hreviews. At least he doesn't make clickbait titles about rumors or goes around acting like his opinion is greater than everyone else's is. I'm pretty sure I have heard him cite xenopedia before.

As someone else said, who said we are happy with those two? I have actually left a comment on one of HN's videos about the plagiarism and I have spoken to him on here about it, he then claimed he would cite the sources from xenopedia only to go back to not doing so. No one who plagiarizes from the wiki or indeed any other sources, is someone we are "perfectly happy" with.

Quote from: MaineXeno on Feb 06, 2019, 04:20:33 AM
I'm seeing a lot of accusations being thrown at him, but there is something missing, I think it's a thing called evidence.

The video that has been quoted is one of those things called evidence.

Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 06, 2019, 05:12:46 AM
I feel partly responsible for bringing about this negative interaction and for that I apologize. Alien Theory has the respectability to come on here and address the issues you guys seem to have with him in a mature way and you still revert to cynicism and what could be seen as bullying.

Alien Theory can clearly stand up for himself and back that up with evidence and I don't really want to call anyone out. But it seems to be the same type of people that often shut down other members of this forum whenever they express opinions that the former don't agree with. It's quite often done with an arrogant and conceited attitude and normally ends with a stagnation of the topic at hand.

Hopefully some good can come of this though and the two parties can resolve their issues.

I just wanted to share something that I thoroughly enjoyed with other members of this forum. Alien Theory clearly works very hard on his videos and I thank him for his contribution of quality Alien content.

Not sure which of us you referring to but I will say this, as far I know and remember, I have never shut anyone down on this site, I respect other people's opinions, even when I disagree with them.  You can't really expect everyone to be all sweet and super friendly when someone steals information from a site or a book.

The quality alien content is not all his though, as per the video with the timestamps and the recent one by SM, he is simpy reading it word for word.


Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Old One on Feb 06, 2019, 11:33:02 AM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 06, 2019, 05:12:46 AM
But it seems to be the same type of people that often shut down other members of this forum whenever they express opinions that the former don't agree with. It's quite often done with an arrogant and conceited attitude and normally ends with a stagnation of the topic at hand.

Stagnation or Conclusion?

I'm assuming you're talking about Canon. That's because you (And others) constantly switch from Metaphysics discussion to epistemology. Bloody pyrrhonist.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 06, 2019, 03:57:02 PM
No offense Frosty, but have you even read your thread?

Multiple examples of plagiarism have been provided, so what are you defending?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 06, 2019, 04:06:49 PM
I realize it's not an excuse, but I'd be surprised if he even remembers which videos made use of the Xenopedia.  Perhaps a blanket attribution of his usual sources right above his list of patrons would be sufficient?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 06, 2019, 07:25:36 PM
Acknowledging the people paying him along with the people he's profiting from?

Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 06, 2019, 07:32:00 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: MaineXeno on Feb 06, 2019, 09:34:17 PM
I read the wiki and watched the video. I still don't think he stole from the wiki. The wiki does not own the statement that Facehuggers jump on peoples faces.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 06, 2019, 09:52:44 PM
The wiki doesn't own anything. However if the video repeatedly uses the same words in the same order, which it does, it's called plagiarism.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 06, 2019, 10:24:11 PM
I think maybe they're conflating plagiarism with copyright infringement.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 06, 2019, 10:28:58 PM
Fox owns copyright on all the concepts and everything.  I'm not exactly sure on how copyright works on comments about existing IP - maybe the wiki authors can claim ownership to what they've written under fair use?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 06, 2019, 10:31:59 PM
https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2013/10/07/difference-copyright-infringement-plagiarism/ (https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2013/10/07/difference-copyright-infringement-plagiarism/)

QuoteBut where copyright infringement is a construct of the law, plagiarism is a construct of ethics.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 06, 2019, 10:44:44 PM
Good read.  Not sure if that really cleared it up in this instance though.

The wiki doesn't own the IP, but maybe they own what they have written about the IP (despite a lack of authorisation to do so).

Getting legal about this is over the top I reckon.  Plagiarism is a more an ethical issue.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 07, 2019, 06:27:16 PM
There's obviously no legal recourse to someone reading from our wiki and passing it off as their own work. It's all public domain.

But pilfering our work like that is a dickish move, plain and simple.

We (or I, at least) always cite an original source when we use one, because that's just fair and correct. Christ, I've lifted more from the Weyland-Yutani Archives, Strange Shapes, Monster Legacy and this very site than I can think of, but they always get a citation when I do. Because guess what? The hard work was theirs.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 07, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
100% agreed Huda.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 07, 2019, 07:19:42 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2019, 07:25:04 PM
I think AlienTheory ghosted us.  Unless Cruentus took him up the offer to discuss it privately.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 07, 2019, 09:40:14 PM
Maybe Alien Theory will make a video response.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2019, 11:08:52 PM
I doubt this is something he wants to air out on YouTube.  Denials of plagiarism are easily countered with specific examples.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 08, 2019, 02:48:53 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 07, 2019, 06:27:16 PM
There's obviously no legal recourse to someone reading from our wiki and passing it off as their own work. It's all public domain.

But pilfering our work like that is a dickish move, plain and simple.

We (or I, at least) always cite an original source when we use one, because that's just fair and correct. Christ, I've lifted more from the Weyland-Yutani Archives, Strange Shapes, Monster Legacy and this very site than I can think of, but they always get a citation when I do. Because guess what? The hard work was theirs.

True enough but if what central had to say to me recently regarding another plagiarist means anything, attribution must be given.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2019, 11:08:52 PM
I doubt this is something he wants to air out on YouTube.  Denials of plagiarism are easily countered with specific examples.

If it comes to it, I will make a video  naming and shaming all known youtubers that has plagiarized the wiki, and showing all the proof necessary, it is not something I would be proud to do since it would be essentially a shaming video but if nothing else is able to be done, then I will I do it, because If they can't be stopped or they refuse to give attribution, then I will make sure their youtube audiences know that they are plagiarists.


There is quite a few of them out there.

An example from another plagiarist taking from a different wiki since Xenopedia is not the only wikia plagiarized. ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hge_V1HLwAM

https://terminator.fandom.com/wiki/T-800

No time stamp needed, almost entire page is pretty much read word for word bar a few sections.

I gave the local admin the heads up about this back when I first spotted it a few months back.

Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Frosty Venom on Feb 08, 2019, 02:55:16 AM
I know that a lot of youtubers definitely rip stuff straight from wikis but is it not possible that sometimes both youtuber and wiki have lifted the information from the same source?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 08, 2019, 03:05:42 AM
No because wikis is written by multiple users and usually done originally (we don't write the sources word for word, we just cite it) thus it is not possible for the youtuber to be accidentally reading it all word for word.
They would most certainly have to be looking at our pages to be saying the exact words that multiple users have written.

Not saying that both wikia and the youtubers can't use the same source such as an interiview, novel or behind the scenes stuff for their work and indeed sources are necessary but logically the words used by both parties should be completely different.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 08, 2019, 03:27:15 AM
Cruentus definitley knows what he's talking about here.

I'm actually a little suprised at how many people seem unaware of how plagiarism  and the practice of citing sources works.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 03:31:12 AM
I thought it was pretty widely taught in high school.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 08, 2019, 08:37:37 AM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 08, 2019, 02:55:16 AMI know that a lot of youtubers definitely rip stuff straight from wikis but is it not possible that sometimes both youtuber and wiki have lifted the information from the same source?

As Cruentus says, this isn't a case of him producing videos on the same subject that provide the same information. There's nothing wrong with that.

This is a case of him literally reading our work word-for-word, and then presenting it as though it's his own.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Xenomrph on Feb 09, 2019, 02:30:29 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2019, 03:31:12 AM
I thought it was pretty widely taught in high school.
It was hammered into our skulls with the fury of a thousand suns when I was in high school (as was MLA format citations), I don't know if that's still the case in today's schools. I remember having to buy the MLA style guide and look up exactly how you cite certain types of media and the like, it was a huge pain in the ass (especially when trying to cite websites, which was uncharted territory as far as MLA was concerned at that point). Nowadays there are websites that do that shit for you (http://www.citationmachine.net/mla), so there's really no excuse.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 11, 2019, 03:49:02 AM
New video just dropped.  Any signs of plagiarism?


Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 11, 2019, 12:30:16 PM
From what I heard on a quick peruse, he is reading from the book sea of sorrows which he does show in that video, I would have to watch it all with full attention to make sure and I don't really care to as each view of his video just enables him.  I don't particular want to be watching videos from plagiarists or contributing towards their view count unless I am gathering evidence like I did with the other vide. That all being said I will be keeping my eye out for future plagiarism as I do intend to take these matters to youtube and central and more plagiarism means more to show them.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Old One on Feb 11, 2019, 02:36:34 PM
Ugh, that subject matter too.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 11, 2019, 07:20:52 PM
What Cruentus said.

I watched about 3 minutes before turning it off and he quoted from Sea of Sorrows - but it was proper quoting; not plagiarising anything.  And chasing around after every video looking for theft is a waste of time.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Old One on Feb 11, 2019, 07:53:40 PM
It is indeed.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 11, 2019, 08:46:05 PM
I'm just curious if this thread motivated a change in his modus operandi.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 11, 2019, 08:49:39 PM
He's got 130+k subs. Why would it?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 11, 2019, 08:55:27 PM
To prevent further accusations of plagiarism?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 11, 2019, 08:58:00 PM
I don't imagine anyone but a handful of us care.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 11, 2019, 08:59:19 PM
I admire your cynicism.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 11, 2019, 11:49:39 PM
Sad but true..
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Xenomrph on Feb 12, 2019, 04:00:52 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 11, 2019, 08:59:19 PM
I admire your cynicism.
Unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of effectiveness? :P
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on May 09, 2019, 10:29:48 AM
Well It has been three months and not that I am surprised, but there is still no attribution given to that video I showed that was plagiarism.

Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2019, 08:58:00 PM
I don't imagine anyone but a handful of us care.

Judging by the lack of people in the comments calling him out that sadly might be true, assuming of course the comments are not getting deleted or prevented from being posted as some users have a filter to choose what comments can be allowed on there.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on May 09, 2019, 10:57:37 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 09, 2019, 10:29:48 AMWell It has been three months and not that I am surprised, but there is still no attribution given to that video I showed that was plagiarism.

He's posted several new videos since then as well.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Old One on May 09, 2019, 11:00:26 AM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on May 09, 2019, 12:18:47 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 09, 2019, 10:29:48 AM
Well It has been three months and not that I am surprised, but there is still no attribution given to that video I showed that was plagiarism.

Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2019, 08:58:00 PM
I don't imagine anyone but a handful of us care.

Judging by the lack of people in the comments calling him out that sadly might be true, assuming of course the comments are not getting deleted or prevented from being posted as some users have a filter to choose what comments can be allowed on there.

To be honest I think the only viable solution to stuff like Alien Thievery is to make better content.  He doesn't give a shit about plagiarism and neither does his audience.  It's been a primary motivator for me to put more effort into my Youtube stuff, and why I've been encouraging Hicks with the AvPG videos.

Maybe wiki creators need to make their own videos before bad actors can steal them?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: iain on May 09, 2019, 09:33:32 PM
Im a AT fan. Subscribed to his channel when it first started and I personally enjoy his videos and ive learnt things I never knew so big thumbs up from me.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on May 09, 2019, 09:35:22 PM
Uh-oh...
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: 426Buddy on May 09, 2019, 09:44:32 PM
What can you do when no one cares? We already had half this thread calling him out for his plagiarism, wasnt even a ripple in the water.



Quote from: iain on May 09, 2019, 09:33:32 PM
Im a AT fan. Subscribed to his channel when it first started and I personally enjoy his videos and ive learnt things I never knew so big thumbs up from me.

You should thank the people who actually put the work in to compile and create that information instead of the one who steals it and passes it off as his own.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on May 10, 2019, 03:10:16 AM
Word.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on May 10, 2019, 07:03:19 AM
Has anyone checked this video for plagiarism yet?



I'm honestly curious if he quietly changed his ways without actually acknowledging them.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on May 10, 2019, 07:25:38 AM
I watched nearly half then skipped around the rest and it's lifted almost word for word from the CMTM.  Which he kinda sorta acknowledges but not really.

It really should be 'Guy reads pages 40 to 54 of the Colonial Marines Technical Manual without adequately attributing the guy who actually put in the hard work to write it'.

And on top of that he insinuates the CMTM informed the ship that ended up in the film.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on May 10, 2019, 07:49:35 AM
Sounds like everything said to him here fell on deaf ears.  Oh well, there's always this...

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807622?hl=en
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on May 10, 2019, 08:09:33 AM
Can't imagine Fox would be that bothered.

It would need another fan to trawl through every video, and document all the plagiarism, then make a video called 'Alien Theory EXPLAINED!!'

Not sure I could be bothered.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on May 10, 2019, 08:13:57 AM
His channel is only going to keep growing until someone can be arsed.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on May 10, 2019, 09:01:33 AM
I think it'll grow either way. As parasites do.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on May 10, 2019, 09:39:31 AM
Quote from: SM on May 09, 2019, 12:18:47 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 09, 2019, 10:29:48 AM
Well It has been three months and not that I am surprised, but there is still no attribution given to that video I showed that was plagiarism.

Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2019, 08:58:00 PM
I don't imagine anyone but a handful of us care.

Judging by the lack of people in the comments calling him out that sadly might be true, assuming of course the comments are not getting deleted or prevented from being posted as some users have a filter to choose what comments can be allowed on there.

To be honest I think the only viable solution to stuff like Alien Thievery is to make better content.  He doesn't give a shit about plagiarism and neither does his audience.  It's been a primary motivator for me to put more effort into my Youtube stuff, and why I've been encouraging Hicks with the AvPG videos.

Maybe wiki creators need to make their own videos before bad actors can steal them?

Originality is its own reward and I am glad that AVPgalaxy have been keeping their videos original and they are good too, it just shows what you can  do if you just put the effort in.

I have actually been plannning on doing some lore videos for awhile now, just sadly don't have much time these days and I think I need a better quality camera as the sound is terrible. Like I said in some of my previous posts, if youtube doesn't do anything about the plagiarism when I report it, then I will be doing a "alien theory/hybrid network/any other plagiarist" explained video naming and shaming them to youtube audience. That way at least people will be aware those youtubers are stealing their information from wikis.

As you said though, going through all those videos to find more evidence is going to be a drag and I don't particularly like the idea of enabling them by adding to the view count even it only counts as one.

Quote from: Local Trouble on May 10, 2019, 07:49:35 AM
Sounds like everything said to him here fell on deaf ears.  Oh well, there's always this...

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807622?hl=en


If he has been taking from official fox material such the CMTM or the Weyland Yutan Report, or hell any of the books without giving proper attribution then I believe that is copyright infringment because it is stealing from official sources.

If I get time I might do an evidence crawl, not just on him but any youtuber that I know of that has plagiarised from us.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Old One on May 11, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
Do it I say.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Monster Man on May 11, 2019, 10:32:52 PM
Man, this thread reminds me of that EU story where they send an Alien Synth to steal royal jelly from alien hives. Metaphorically speaking, anyway.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on May 12, 2019, 01:08:53 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 11, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
Do it I say.

(https://i.imgur.com/NEsDZou.jpg)
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: judge death on May 12, 2019, 03:07:54 PM
Can confirm that most of alien theory┬┤s videos since 4 months back are of this nature that he finds facts and reads it up, copying it and with zero effort make any job on it.
Since he has big enough audience to be paid by youtube he is focusing on releasing videos often so his watchers keep watching, its his job now and he wont change anything until he is sued or his audience leaves. Maybe do some damage control at max which his last showing up here was.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Whos_Nick on May 12, 2019, 05:12:37 PM
I figured I'd throw my hat in the ring, considering Hybrid Network/HN has been brought up here (didn't read this thread until today). First off, I do apologize for not leaving a citation in the description for several of the Alien/Predator lore videos that were produced over the last year or so. I remember talking privately with The Cruentus in 2017 after HN had been dragged a bit on the forums for not citing, and we squashed it back then. If he thinks I tried to slight him and revert to not citing that isn't the case, most of the Predator lore videos from last year were not produced by myself so that was an oversight on my part, not giving the content producers a heads up. I've also been friendly with Hicks, RidgeTop, and the AvP Galaxy crew for a while now. Even met up with RidgeTop and PO Podcast at the recent 40th anniversary shorts thing at Fox.

Secondly, looking back when I was initially making lore videos in 2016/2017 I do regret not properly citing sources in the videos or description areas. To be honest, I haven't really made any lore stuff in a while I kinda lost my interest in it after some drama went down in Feb after we ran a report on the Alien TV series. With regards to my background with the franchises, I've always been a big fan of both. When I started making videos back in 2016 our channel didn't really cover that stuff, but eventually they came around and I got to talk about stuff I was really interested in. It was mostly theory stuff or questions I personally had after watching the films, then it went into specific lore stuff. Regardless, it's been a while since I have addressed anything so I do want to apologize to Huda, Cruentus, SM, and whoever has been involved with contributing to the wiki information or material like the CMTM.

Anyways, TLDR version: I have messaged The Cruentus about this again, and I have made updates to the videos that were not properly cited over the last year or so. From now on though, instead of just adding an attribution in the description box, I will add a note directly on screen during the video if I'm using specific information from these sources. Hope you guys will hear me out and I don't get eviscerated.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on May 12, 2019, 08:15:11 PM
A lot of this could have been avoided simply by not copying from our wiki in the first place or indeed any other source that gets read word for word, look at AVPgalaxy, their videos have been original so far and are better for it, good presentation, original take on information and as such the video is deserving of respect.

If there is more than one person involved in that channel then they need to get with the program and learn that plagiarism is a dick move, one that I have finally run out of patience for and no longer tolerate. Especially since multiple youtubers have taken the liberty of doing so. Which is necessitating my plan to do my own lore videos which if anyone finds familiar (because it will be based on our wiki to ensure folks know where that info is coming from), I will have to explain to them the reason why. I don't want to sink low by naming and shaming but neither do I want to keep on seeing multiple user's contributions being constantly stolen, especially when the plagiarists can make money from it even if indirectly.

I appreciete you want to sort it out, I really do, especially since the last plagiarist was essentially denying it despite actual evidence presented to him but since monetization comes from subscribers and view count, money is getting made (even if indirect) from our wiki.
While citing and giving attribution to all sources on the necessary videos will go a long way and I do hope you do that, in future I think it will be best if our wiki does not get read word for word at all, no matter if its tiny paragraph or even a simply sentence. And yes, citations should be in the video too, not just in the description because youtube viewers are notorious for ignoring that.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Whos_Nick on May 12, 2019, 08:26:27 PM
Well, I'd like to make peace now. So like I mentioned, if I'm using specific info from Xenopedia then I'll make sure to credit it on screen.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on May 12, 2019, 08:47:58 PM
That needs to be retroactive as well, as for future uses, I would rather it not be taken from Xenopedia. Best just to be original in future videos. Since I plan on making a channel for the wiki, any future video with information from us would potentially be redundant since I would be uploading it myself.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Whos_Nick on May 12, 2019, 09:21:52 PM
Yeah that's why I said "if"

But when I eventually tackle some new stuff it's gonna be ideas I've had kicking around a while
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2020, 08:28:03 AM
The APC has finally been explained.  Any signs of plagiarism?

Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Aug 12, 2020, 08:32:22 AM
This or another Kroft video... decisions, decisions...

Does he EXPLAIN why the APC is backwards in the thumbnail?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2020, 08:39:54 AM
It's the southpaw model, obviously.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Aug 12, 2020, 08:43:19 AM
Ah, right.  So you can read the rego in your rearview mirror more easier.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 12, 2020, 09:00:37 AM
I didn't bother listening to much of it, but bits were definitely lifted verbatim from the wiki.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 13, 2020, 01:36:21 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 12, 2020, 09:00:37 AM
I didn't bother listening to much of it, but bits were definitely lifted verbatim from the wiki.
Huh. Who'd have guessed?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Aug 17, 2020, 08:33:44 AM
They never learn. I think I will start getting the ball rolling on dealing with these parasites.

Was there any attribution to the wiki in that video?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 11, 2020, 07:59:39 AM
I missed this one when it dropped about a month ago.

Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Oct 11, 2020, 08:40:52 AM
y u do dis
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 11, 2020, 10:42:43 PM
To see if he's reformed yet.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: judge death on Oct 11, 2020, 10:44:28 PM
nahh most videos are plain copy/plagiarism, taken from sources and just rereading them for none aware alien fans who follow the channel, he gotta keep the videos coming as youtube wont pay him else and he lives on this. Not gonna cry if someone here puts a stop to it :P
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Huggs on Oct 11, 2020, 10:45:36 PM
What's the deal with this dude?

He plagiarize everything or somethin?


Quote from: judge death on Oct 11, 2020, 10:44:28 PM
nahh most videos are plain copy/plagiarism, taken from sources and just rereading them for none aware alien fans who follow the channel, he gotta keep the videos coming as youtube wont pay him else and he lives on this. Not gonna cry if someone here puts a stop to it :P

Well, that answers that question.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: judge death on Oct 11, 2020, 10:46:14 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 11, 2020, 10:45:36 PM
What's the deal with this dude?

He plagiarize everything or somethin?
Gotta keep those money coming in by making videos :P
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 21, 2021, 03:35:16 AM
Thank God the deacon has finally been EXPLAINED:

Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 21, 2021, 09:37:40 AM
Have they explained why they never credit their sources yet?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 21, 2021, 10:24:02 AM
Are they still doing that?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 21, 2021, 11:54:03 AM
Why We Never Credit Our Sources - EXPLAINED!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 21, 2021, 12:23:43 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 21, 2021, 10:24:02 AM
Are they still doing that?

I'll confess I don't actually know, I don't watch their stuff.

They did a recent one about Arnie's role in Predator 2 that I'm fairly certain lifted all the info from Galaxy's recent interview though, and I didn't see a credit.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: oduodu on Jan 21, 2021, 10:56:53 PM
Quote from: judge death on Oct 11, 2020, 10:46:14 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 11, 2020, 10:45:36 PM
What's the deal with this dude?

He plagiarize everything or somethin?
Gotta keep those money coming in by making videos :P

how exactly  does he make money from this videos?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 21, 2021, 11:00:25 PM
I don't know almost anything about this, but I think that when you have a lot of followers, views, likes or whatever, YouTube pays you or something like that  :-\
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 21, 2021, 11:19:00 PM
That is correct.

https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UChWMlORreKN0UmokKOdFq-g
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 22, 2021, 12:33:01 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 21, 2021, 11:19:00 PM
That is correct.

https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UChWMlORreKN0UmokKOdFq-g

Then I suppose we shouldn't give him views unless he redeems himself or something 😐
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: judge death on Jan 22, 2021, 01:44:46 AM
Yep, after you get enough views and followers(guess why they want you to subscribe all the freaking time in their videos) and each time someone watch your videos, youtube might start pay your videos and let you add ads to them. The more people who watch your content: the more you earn in short. Although youtube demands that you are active and keep posting videos to renew the money deal.

So yes: he has enough viewers and such and gets paid by making videos and this is why he post videos so often.
I doubt he will change as in his definitation he isnt copying.... Only if hes channel is punished or taken by law then he might.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 22, 2021, 05:33:29 AM
It may not be enough that he can quit his day job, but it's an awfully nice supplemental income.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Jan 22, 2021, 05:50:45 AM
Theft often is.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 23, 2021, 12:54:45 AM
If only you would abandon your scruples.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Jan 23, 2021, 02:05:54 AM
What's the going exchange rate of subs to scruples?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: FenGiddel on Jan 23, 2021, 02:51:26 AM
There's prolly an app for that.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 25, 2021, 06:27:39 AM
Some scruples are worth more than others, but SM clings tenaciously to his so they're probably quite valuable.

Mine are virtually worthless.  :-\

Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 03, 2021, 01:16:35 PM
You do have scruples.....they are just probably stuck behind a paywall lol  :laugh:
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2021, 06:59:08 PM
Are you still planning to start a YouTube channel to compete with his?
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 04, 2021, 09:41:35 AM
I always intended to create a channel for Xenopedia,, it won't be competing with anything because we won't be thieves who steal content. All they done really is make me do it sooner than later, which is why the channel has little content as its ahead of schedule.. But now that I have got a new camera and mic, I will start making content and making sure that folks know where the info is coming from and why they may have heard it from some other youtubers. Naming and shaming.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Kradan on Feb 04, 2021, 11:35:00 AM
I bet Alien Theory's knees are shaking right now
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 04, 2021, 11:44:13 AM
Funnily enough when I did point out the plagiarism and my intent to do something about it, he started to post his excuses on here, though he still had the nerve to deny he did any wrongdoing.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: judge death on Feb 04, 2021, 02:36:43 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 04, 2021, 11:35:00 AM
I bet Alien Theory's knees are shaking right now
Im waiting to see him copy cruentus videos if you do start a channel xD
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2021, 12:15:36 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 04, 2021, 11:44:13 AM
Funnily enough when I did point out the plagiarism and my intent to do something about it, he started to post his excuses on here, though he still had the nerve to deny he did any wrongdoing.

Did you ever take him up on this?

Quote from: AlienTheory on Feb 05, 2019, 05:01:31 PM
Again I'd like to talk to you in non-forum correspondences and hammer this out. You could list some videos and we could compare resources and work together to understand each other. We are not aligned at the moment but that could change. Or we can just walk away feeling bad. Trust me, I feel bad -- I feel slandered, offended, taken out of context....I feel bad. You've made it clear how you feel.

Where do we go from here? I told you what I'd like to do.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2021, 11:13:02 AM
No, the fact that he is clearly ducking and denying any wrongdoing in the face of evidence means there is no point in talking to him. Even if he did reach out to me, I doubt he would be made to stop plagiarizing, I mean he asked to point out which videos, as if he doesn't know.....

He says he is slandered but slander is when there is false statements made about someone, his plagiarism is proven with evidence ergo not slander.
So the fact that he is claiming he is being slandered shows his lack of morals and his inability to realize he is in the wrong or admit to any wrongdoing.

Its like catching someone with their hand in the cookie jar and they still have the gall to deny it.

Plus from what I read in this thread by others, he is still plagiarizing content.

Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Kradan on Feb 05, 2021, 11:18:30 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2021, 11:13:02 AM
No, the fact that he is clearly ducking and denying any wrongdoing in the face of evidence means there is no point in talking to him.

Well, you could've at least give it a shot
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 05, 2021, 11:23:55 AM
Nah, thieves can f**k right off.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2021, 11:24:40 AM
I am already in the process of doing something about it. Talking to AT is not going to solve much if he believe that he has done nothing wrong, what I am going to do though is name and shame the plagiarists, show evidence in my videos and I will also use the link Local Trouble brought up about taking down youtube videos. I'll be making sure people will know where their information is being stolen from.

Whether it will do much good I don't know, some youtube viewers probably don't care but regardless I will do so anyway.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Kradan on Feb 05, 2021, 11:25:17 AM
Idk, he was a guest on Yutani Podcast couple times. Seemed like a nice dude to me  :D
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 05, 2021, 11:28:43 AM
No he's a super piece of sh*t. He's fully aware of what he steals.

It's unfortunate that he recieves support from the community.though.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2021, 11:29:27 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 05, 2021, 11:25:17 AM
Idk, he was a guest on Yutani Podcast couple times. Seemed like a nice dude to me  :D

Serials killers can seem like nice people too........
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Kradan on Feb 05, 2021, 11:30:55 AM
Oh my God, has he murdered someone already ?  :o
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2021, 11:37:05 AM
 :laugh:I meant that just because someone is nice, that does not mean they aren't capable of heinous acts.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Feb 05, 2021, 11:48:41 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 05, 2021, 11:28:43 AM
No he's a super piece of sh*t. He's fully aware of what he steals.

It's unfortunate that he recieves support from the community.though.

All this.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2021, 12:51:20 PM
I wonder if he'll post a video about how his channel is "under attack" and play the victim.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2021, 12:57:10 PM
Won't be surprised.

I have just tried creating a few introduction videos. Camera is ok, Audio is practically non-existent though. I may have to livestream it instead, hopefully livestream vids do get saved and can be used as introduction video.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2021, 01:12:01 PM
Be sure to post a link here.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 05, 2021, 01:44:06 PM
Psychopaths can be charming and socially relevant. I'm not saying that this guy is one, I'm just agree with Cruentus :laugh:
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 03, 2021, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 05, 2019, 02:40:49 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Alien_Theory/status/1092276391855349761

Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4IsLEgBHw

Start from 1.30

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger

Read from subduing the host section.

Start from 1.50

Read from implantation process.

And this continues with different parts of the sentences.

Some more. 3.03

Read from implantation process in this old version https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Facehugger#Implantation_process
from "the Facehugger deposits a tumor" to be specific.

Guess we know who is lying.

Against my better judgement, I'm going to jump in here. Partially because I want to be more informed about the issues members have with Alien Theory.

I'll start with this:

Are there any other examples of Alien Theory doing this other than the segments in this 2017 video?

Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 03, 2021, 11:20:29 PM
Yeah, there are other videos for sure. Other posters here have said the wiki is not the only place he takes info from either.

As much as I don't fancy going though most of his videos, I am more than willing to go through them and time stamp his plagiarism.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Mar 03, 2021, 11:22:20 PM
Keep reading the thread.  I talk about how he lifted stuff from WYR verbatim without attribution.  He lifts stuff word-for-word from all over the place.  It gives the impression that he's sat down researched and written his material - when it's really just stolen wholesale.

And on top of that he made a video about 'Was Newt's Mom found in the hive'.  The answer is obviously "No", but he is blatantly dishonest by cropping comic frames that would show us this and wrings 7 minutes of garbage for 64,000 views.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 03, 2021, 11:25:22 PM
Didn't you say that the timeline website got plagiarised by him as well, or was that another youtuber?

Tomorrow I will go though as much of his videos as I can, don't like adding to his views but I think the more evidence that gets posted, the better.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 03, 2021, 11:31:54 PM
I look forward to a comprehensive list.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 03, 2021, 11:34:04 PM
Yeah its probably going to be long, but its worth it to get it all out there.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 04, 2021, 12:01:48 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 03, 2021, 11:34:04 PM
Yeah its probably going to be long, but its worth it to get it all out there.

I'd appreciate it, would be good to see more examples.

QuoteWYR verbatim without attribution

Should've been attributed but an argument could be made for fair use with official material, I'm specifically looking at examples of ripping off fan research. Which, even if he was arguing still counts as fair use by proxy, it's not cool.

As far as that goes though, what I'm seeing here so far comes down to one video from 2017, and three paragraphs in question.

That is not what I would consider an extensive track record.

I've heard very little on here about Mr. H's videos compared to Alien Theory, some of which are taken direct from Xenopedia, and also using fan art without attribution:

Examples

Ripley Video:



https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Ellen_Ripley?fbclid=IwAR0A2Kooj1mNuMRENEQZKJLfIujBXdn_LBXjdRBOgRFMPr7G8qD7hJ998go

Predalien Video:



https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Predalien_(caste)?fbclid=IwAR0UknCaWJ_8rRI5Fww-mAluysc4I75QHR-2RO5iBK8X2WAjKI3sjnl_en8

Ravager Video:



https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Ravager

Seems like a fraction of the energy directed towards Mr. H about this issue. Not saying AT shouldn't be criticized, but I don't know if I'd place him with the likes of AcidGlow on this one. Open to having my mind changed on that with presented evidence. Even with these instances that should be addressed I don't want to write off Mr. H either, he has made some good videos, and most of the time recently when he does his reporting and commentary he does credit. I see AT was on here a while back and denied these claims, and part of me wants to give him the benefit of the doubt that there could've been some unintended research crossover.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 04, 2021, 10:46:00 AM
Actually, Mr.H reviews is in my crosshairs, he plagiarised from the terminator wiki as well. Hybridnetwork has also plagiarised from us. There a lot of them. Just taking it one at the time and since AT had the nerve to deny any wrong doing in the face of evidence, I think starting with him is a good start.
I don't know for sure if fair use applies to "explained" videos, it usually for reviews from what I last read about it. Regardless, it is morally wrong and a complete dick move.

I do plan on exposing them, just got to get myself a decent mic now, my recent attempt to make a video resulted in a video with a good picture,but practically zero sound.  :P



So far this is what I got, sorry for the lack of timstamps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo04obpHonA&list=PL3Js5pJZN4Mm7pkCo-fRQC-Af8how55cy&index=5
He frequently uses cold forge here as a reference and actually states where it i from but then there is a little part from our wiki "the Facehugger deposits a tumor in the host's chest cavity, consisting of specifically tailored cancers that bring about a restructuring of the host's cells" And it gets no mention on where that info came from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR2ILljzeeQ&list=PL3Js5pJZN4MkwQZxLl1YsC8xxWmrg5GWX&index=5
I think this uses WYR with no attrbution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar7ZXlwFKnY&list=PL3Js5pJZN4MnnCuo9qTNt8-0F9rZQ_rVu&index=17
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Egg_sack

Quote from: RidgeTop on Mar 04, 2021, 12:01:48 AM
I see AT was on here a while back and denied these claims, and part of me wants to give him the benefit of the doubt that there could've been some unintended research crossover.

There is no way its unintended research crossover, since no one to my knowledge on Xenopedia adds info copied from other sources into the pages (and thus no third party source for AT to use), the only explanation is (and with evidence to prove it) is that he is simply taking it from our wiki. This may sound petty of me but I don't think a few good videos makes up for plagiarism.




And some more, with time stamps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhGECOz9bmE&list=PL3Js5pJZN4MnnCuo9qTNt8-0F9rZQ_rVu&index=36
0:51
A far gaps here and there but he is reading from this section.
" By 2066, Sieg and Son was operating huge manufacturing plants in London, Buenos Aires, Nagasaki and on Luna.[4] In 2071, the Sieg family sold their shares back into the company, which continued to expand at an exponential rate.  Sieg and Son became market leaders in the production of cars, chemicals, educational equipment and building materials"
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Seegson
1.43
The station's opening also coincided with tumult in the space race. Years of mismanagement, and the eventual re-routing of the Sol-Thedus flight path, left Sevastopol in danger of being decommissioned. Sevastopol was eventually purchased by Seegson in 2124, the company aiming to re-energize the station and transform it into a cosmopolitan hub.
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Sevastopol_Station


I am going to have a little break a second, don't want to be spending the day watching his videos  :P
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Mar 04, 2021, 08:13:07 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 03, 2021, 11:25:22 PM
Didn't you say that the timeline website got plagiarised by him as well, or was that another youtuber?

Tomorrow I will go though as much of his videos as I can, don't like adding to his views but I think the more evidence that gets posted, the better.

It was more plagiarising WYR.  Perry used my website as a source and lifted some stuff about Fiorina - with my blessing.

Alien Thievery just reads it word for word as if he's written it himself.

There's always going to be crossover with Youtube content - but reading stuff verbatim?  The guy is scum.

QuoteI am going to have a little break a second, don't want to be spending the day watching his videos

Therein lies the problem - 'I don't see where he's plagiarising stuff' (despite years of claims) and one has trawl through his shit  to actually prove it.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SiL on Mar 05, 2021, 12:12:57 AM
For the record, Fair Use does not entitle someone to copy another work verbatim and pass it off as their own, no.

If you use footage from a movie or a game, it is clear you are providing commentary on the movie or game. If you're reviewing a book and read a passage, it is clear you are providing commentary on the book and that passage.

If you're making a video about embryo implantation and just read out of a book without credit as though you wrote it, that's regular old plagiarism.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 05, 2021, 01:15:40 AM
Yeah... I don't like Mr. H videos myself but sucks that he's not any better than AT.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: RidgeTop on Apr 01, 2021, 08:59:33 PM
Well this'll teach me to have the benefit of the doubt about somebody...

Note what I say my next video is I'm working on here: https://youtu.be/ha5xTgYWvIQ?t=5923

And the most recent video here:


I mean... can't say for sure but what are the odds?

Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SM on Apr 01, 2021, 09:38:13 PM
Comparisons between AvP and Prometheus have been well documented for some time.

However - the timing?

Scum.

Maybe it's time for a video comparing AT with all the content he's stolen from other people.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 01, 2021, 09:43:40 PM
Now he's like the Carlos Mencia of the AvP community.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: RidgeTop on Apr 01, 2021, 10:55:55 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 01, 2021, 09:38:13 PM
Comparisons between AvP and Prometheus have been well documented for some time.

However - the timing?

Scum.

Maybe it's time for a video comparing AT with all the content he's stolen from other people.

Yeah I know AVP Central did a written piece on it and there's another YouTube video on it about three years back. It was mainly the timing that had me scratching my head.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 01, 2021, 11:34:18 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he watches all of the AvPG podcasts for "inspiration."  As soon as you gave him an idea for something he hadn't already done, he sprang into action.

Now your choice is to either proceed with making your own video as planned and face potential accusations that you're ripping him off, or you can just cancel it.  My advice is to proceed, but preface it with the relevant clip from that podcast along with the date it was uploaded.  Whether or not you mention AT is up to you.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 02, 2021, 12:55:41 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 04, 2021, 08:13:07 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 03, 2021, 11:25:22 PM
Didn't you say that the timeline website got plagiarised by him as well, or was that another youtuber?

Tomorrow I will go though as much of his videos as I can, don't like adding to his views but I think the more evidence that gets posted, the better.

It was more plagiarising WYR.  Perry used my website as a source and lifted some stuff about Fiorina - with my blessing.

Alien Thievery just reads it word for word as if he's written it himself.

There's always going to be crossover with Youtube content - but reading stuff verbatim?  The guy is scum.


Thats a s**tty thing to do no matter how you look at it and how one can try to expplain it. It IS thievery. Unless he found it somewhere else and didnt know where it originates from
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SiL on Apr 02, 2021, 01:42:59 AM
Then he should quote that source.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 02, 2021, 01:55:45 AM
AT knows what he is doing. So yeah, he is a thief, and unfortunately one popular enough to interview a licensed writer. It is a matter of reading his followers in the comments.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: SiL on Apr 02, 2021, 01:56:01 AM
I wonder if White was aware of how shitty AT is with that stuff before they agreed to appear.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 02, 2021, 01:58:21 AM
Yes, I've been wondering the same thing.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 02:04:19 AM
I wouldn't think he was aware but it really was a bummer.
Title: Re: Nostromo Revisited
Post by: TNF on Apr 06, 2021, 01:57:39 AM
Exposure is exposure?