I have Blu-ray Import Version (Going to assume UK) Since it has the 18 rating on it. I've had this for least maybe 10 years now? (I live in the US) and spite of having a stand alone versions of Covenant on 4K and Prometheus on Blu ray with it's own Case. Is there a newer Release of these movies with perhaps better quality and all of the movies together? Or is what is included in the anothogly still have the best prints of these films?
Or is the anthology still the go-to set to watch these movies? (The original ones that is)
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Alien-Anthology-Blu-ray/5090/ - this release is the one i own.
yes
The 4K release of Alien is the way to go there.
Aliens/Alien 3/Alien: Resurrection don't get any better than the Anthology at the moment though.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 05, 2021, 11:15:34 AM
The 4K release of Alien is the way to go there.
Aliens/Alien 3/Alien: Resurrection don't get any better than the Anthology at the moment though.
How does the 4k version of Alien watch like? Is the Blu-ray that comes with it from the same print as the 4K ver? or is the blu ray included that of the Anthology version?
It's the Anthology version.
I enjoy my Anthology collection for the films and the extras, but I also find I enjoy the other releases I've bought over the decades ina "meta" way since they're a "snapshot" of the movie's marketing at the time. Sounds like you've bought enough to have some good options yourself. Enjoy!
Quote from: Guts on Jul 05, 2021, 07:43:35 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 05, 2021, 11:15:34 AM
The 4K release of Alien is the way to go there.
Aliens/Alien 3/Alien: Resurrection don't get any better than the Anthology at the moment though.
How does the 4k version of Alien watch like? Is the Blu-ray that comes with it from the same print as the 4K ver? or is the blu ray included that of the Anthology version?
Like TQ said, the Blu-ray disc included with the 4K is just the Anthology disc in a new box. But the remaster on the 4K disc is brand new and looks gorgeous. The color especially is quite different from the Anthology release, and skews away from the alterations made to the Anthology release.
It's much more natural.
Honestly at this point they need to just sell the master file to us, and we can just download fan made gradings at our whim.
Uh... no.
There's enough colour information in the 4k to do that without a master file.
The best experience is not possible without the master file. This perpetual upgrade crap of diminishing returns is called greed. While we're at it, allow people to make physical copies while completely stopping pressed copies to be made and sold at all.
The "master file" is 42 year old film stock.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 06, 2021, 10:29:36 PM
The "master file" is 42 year old film stock.
::)"Master file" is the term for the raw digital file created by digitally scanning the original film, or the existing print with the highest quality/least level of degradation. It then gets "mastered" as a lossy (read compressed) file that gets pressed on a disc, or is digitally distributed, where it can be kept at the same level of compression or much further reduced.
There will be multiple existing scans, and every year the film gets a little worse, but there is no reason to think further advances in scanner technology can extract anything more
that is appreciable out of the film than can existing scanners. Maybe software processing/AI tricks will improve and do something people like to the movie, without needing a new scan.
A movie this worshipped deserves to have a product end of life, not kept on some money cow life support like some comatose vegetable. People will then do with it what they will.
Spoiler
Mass effect 3 star child: "It is the ideal solution"
I enjoy my Anthology enough, even donated my "Quadrilogy" (DVD) a week ago actually for space reasons.
I'd like it in the special virtual reality edition, pleez...
Quote from: TNF on Jul 06, 2021, 11:48:13 PM
I'd like it in the special virtual reality edition, pleez...
I dream about these movies and the xenomorph creature at least once a week. I would give that ability to someone else if I could.
Quote from: Xeno Killer 2179 on Jul 06, 2021, 11:25:56 PM
Master file" is the term for the raw digital file created by digitally scanning the original film, or the existing print with the highest quality/least level of degradation.
Yes, I know. But they're not scanning the negative, they're scanning colour-timed release prints. Saturation, contrast, and other colour information has already been baked-in by the photochemical process. The 4K print will provide you about as much colour and bit depth as you need to do good custom grades already.
Quotemovie this worshipped deserves to have a product end of life, not kept on some money cow life support like some comatose vegetable. People will then do with it what they will.
It already does. It's called copyright.
Are we talking about the 4k file fox has, or the 4k copies being sold?
They have something that no one is getting the best version of. I know the difference between a raw video stream, and a lossy compressed one may not be visible to anyone that isn't a pixel peeper, if at all, but people out there buy things like this all the time for that last .1% or .01%.
Usually when you properly want to change a grading, you start with a lossless image, then encode to make it small. You don't change an already encoded image because the result is inferior.
I'm suggesting the most flawless copy of the film possible be made available. That'll be something terabytes in size, and not 100GB or less.
I want to add that I'm happy with DVD level picture quality if it is displayed at the correct frame rate, and the audio is at least as good as what standard blu ray offers. If the language I'm using is still not clear, I'll clarify my first statement.
I'm saying the commercially available version will provide enough detail and information to grade for anyone who's not on professional equipment. If I'm booking studio time and sitting at a $20k DaVinci desk, sure, gimme the raw file. I'll build a node tree and massage the shit out of those colours. But I'm not, and nobody's going to watch it in a way that makes the difference worthwhile anyway.
gotcha.
It was a joke suggestion but also serious, for the protection of the billionaire consumer from excessive rereleases. That would generate some interesting article, I'm sure.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 05, 2021, 08:14:21 PM
Quote from: Guts on Jul 05, 2021, 07:43:35 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 05, 2021, 11:15:34 AM
The 4K release of Alien is the way to go there.
Aliens/Alien 3/Alien: Resurrection don't get any better than the Anthology at the moment though.
How does the 4k version of Alien watch like? Is the Blu-ray that comes with it from the same print as the 4K ver? or is the blu ray included that of the Anthology version?
Like TQ said, the Blu-ray disc included with the 4K is just the Anthology disc in a new box. But the remaster on the 4K disc is brand new and looks gorgeous. The color especially is quite different from the Anthology release, and skews away from the alterations made to the Anthology release.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohQAG7ddcOM
Ohhhooo000oooo....So far then, that's the only new release that's stand alone? regarding the 4 original movies? Hmmm
Do you know if there's any plans for a new 4K Anothogly of the entire Series? like Alien to Prom 2. Been slowly upgrading my Blu-rays to
Quote from: Guts on Jul 10, 2021, 01:52:49 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 05, 2021, 08:14:21 PM
Quote from: Guts on Jul 05, 2021, 07:43:35 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 05, 2021, 11:15:34 AM
The 4K release of Alien is the way to go there.
Aliens/Alien 3/Alien: Resurrection don't get any better than the Anthology at the moment though.
How does the 4k version of Alien watch like? Is the Blu-ray that comes with it from the same print as the 4K ver? or is the blu ray included that of the Anthology version?
Like TQ said, the Blu-ray disc included with the 4K is just the Anthology disc in a new box. But the remaster on the 4K disc is brand new and looks gorgeous. The color especially is quite different from the Anthology release, and skews away from the alterations made to the Anthology release.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohQAG7ddcOM
Ohhhooo000oooo....So far then, that's the only new release that's stand alone? regarding the 4 original movies? Hmmm
Do you know if there's any plans for a new 4K Anothogly of the entire Series? like Alien to Prom 2. Been slowly upgrading my Blu-rays to
There are also standalone 4K releases of Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, but currently, there is no firm news of 4K standalone releases of
Aliens,
Alien 3, or
Alien: Resurrection or a full series six-film set. There were some rumblings a few months ago that we might be seeing these releases but nothing concrete yet unfortunately; I'm crossing my fingers and hoping, though.
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Jul 06, 2021, 11:38:21 PM
I enjoy my Anthology enough, even donated my "Quadrilogy" (DVD) a week ago actually for space reasons.
So Anthology is better than Quadtrilogy?
Yeah. The Anthology is, for all intents and purposes, the Blu-ray update of the DVD-only Quadrilogy set.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 20, 2021, 08:27:03 PM
Yeah. The Anthology is, for all intents and purposes, the Blu-ray update of the DVD-only Quadrilogy set.
Does Anthology include Prometheus and Alien Covenant? I assume it does, but want to be sure.
The Alien Anthology released in 2010.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jul 21, 2021, 01:52:35 AM
The Alien Anthology released in 2010.
Well that settles that it didn't have Prometheus and Covenant. Perhaps a new box set is coming?
Very unlikely. Feature-rich home releases are less and less common with streaming services.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 21, 2021, 03:32:44 AM
Very unlikely. Feature-rich home releases are less and less common with streaming services.
Yeah. Screw us for actually wanting to own anything, right?
Right in the butt.
Hold on to your DVDs, Blurays, and even VHS. The end if privately owned movies is neigh. :(
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 21, 2021, 07:07:54 AM
Hold on to your DVDs, Blurays, and even VHS. The end if privately owned movies is neigh. :(
No horseplay!
My collection's as follows:
Alien (6 Disc) Anthology 2010
Prometheus (3 Disc) Collector's Edition
Prometheus 4K Blu-ray
Alien Covenant 4K Blu-ray
Alien 40th Anniversary 4K Blu-ray
And that's what I honestly recommend.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jul 21, 2021, 11:30:01 AM
My collection's as follows:
Alien (6 Disc) Anthology 2010
Prometheus (3 Disc) Collector's Edition
Prometheus 4K Blu-ray
Alien Covenant 4K Blu-ray
Alien 40th Anniversary 4K Blu-ray
And that's what I honestly recommend.
Yep. That's absolutely the best way to get each movie in its highest currently available quality while also retaining the Blu-ray era's bonus features as well.
Crossing my fingers and hoping for 4K releases of
Aliens,
Alien 3, and
Alien: Resurrection. But not quite holding my breath at the moment.
Aliens has the best chance of happening out of the three, but hopefully the restoration isn't botched
Terminator 2: Judgement Day style.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jul 21, 2021, 11:30:01 AM
My collection's as follows:
Alien (6 Disc) Anthology 2010
Prometheus (3 Disc) Collector's Edition
Prometheus 4K Blu-ray
Alien Covenant 4K Blu-ray
Alien 40th Anniversary 4K Blu-ray
And that's what I honestly recommend.
I don't have the 4k of Prometheus or Covenant, but that's because I usually watch Prometheus in 3D, and because I didn't have a 4K TV when I got Covenant, and I don't see the point in upgrading from the blu.
4K's always superior in my opinion, apart from rare instances, 3D's a gimmick that actively harmed the making of Prometheus.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jul 21, 2021, 02:55:56 PM
4K's always superior in my opinion, apart from rare instances, 3D's a gimmick that actively harmed the making of Prometheus.
I must say Alien 4K was outstanding in visual quality.
It is
I've yet to see Prometheus in 4K, is it good?
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jul 21, 2021, 02:55:56 PM
4K's always superior in my opinion, apart from rare instances, 3D's a gimmick that actively harmed the making of Prometheus.
You and I will always disagree on this. I love the 3D in Prometheus, and I think it actively enhances the film, gives, literally, another dimension to the cinematography. Prometheus is my chosen exemplar work of good 3D movies.
And yet it compromised the runtime, the atmosphere, and likely the height of the Engineers yeah right totally worth it.
Quote from: Stitch on Jul 22, 2021, 08:25:47 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jul 21, 2021, 02:55:56 PM
4K's always superior in my opinion, apart from rare instances, 3D's a gimmick that actively harmed the making of Prometheus.
You and I will always disagree on this. I love the 3D in Prometheus, and I think it actively enhances the film, gives, literally, another dimension to the cinematography. Prometheus is my chosen exemplar work of good 3D movies.
I'm with you, buddy. Prometheus and The Martian are the crown jewels of my 3D collection.
My Collection:
ALIEN P&S single platter (1992) laserdisc release.
ALIEN Special Widescreen Collector's Edition (1992) laserdisc boxed set.
ALIEN THX (1995) laserdisc release (with the alternate audio).
ALIENS Special Widescreen Collector's Edition (1991) laserdisc boxed set.
ALIEN 20th anniversary DVD (R1 and R4).
ALIENS DVD (R1 and R4).
ALIEN LEGACY (2000) box set (R4).
ALIEN QUADRILOGY (2003) box set (R4).
ALIEN Director's Cut (2003) DVD (R4).
ALIENS (2003) DVD (R4).
ALIEN ANTHOLOGY Blu-ray (2010) limited edition packaging (RB).
ALIEN ANTHOLOGY Blu-ray (2010) box set (RB).
ALIEN 40th anniversary 4K Blu-ray.
PROMETHEUS Blu-ray 3D set (RA and RB).
ALIEN: COVENANT Blu-ray (RB)
PROMETHEUS 4K Blu-ray.
ALIEN: COVENANT 4K Blu-ray.
To sum it all up: At this point in time, the ANTHOLOGY set is still the best release for bonus features. And the 4K 40th anniversary ALIEN is the best way to experience the film at home.
Well i just got Aliens Quad, Prometheus on Blu-ray and Covenant on 4K.
When did the Quadilogy come out on blu-ray? it was on DVD for a good while if i recall
Quote from: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2021, 12:47:04 AM
Well i just got Aliens Quad, Prometheus on Blu-ray and Covenant on 4K.
When did the Quadilogy come out on blu-ray? it was on DVD for a good while if i recall
The Quadrilogy never came out on blu-ray. It was released on dvd in 2003. The blu-ray release in 2010 was the Anthology. If you've just bought yourself the Quadrilogy, you could have done better.
Quote from: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2021, 12:47:04 AM
Well i just got Aliens Quad, Prometheus on Blu-ray and Covenant on 4K.
When did the Quadilogy come out on blu-ray? it was on DVD for a good while if i recall
Keep the
Quadrilogy set for the original aspect ratio for the four feature-length documentaries - they've been cropped (badly) for the
Anthology set.
You NEED the
Anthology set, which collects almost all the previous bonus material from past releases, also adding new features and previously unreleased outtakes (Burke cocoon, etc).
The ALIEN3
Assembly Cut has a further polished audio and image.
The original 1999 DVD release of ALIEN included the raw production audio - which wasn't carried over to either the
Quadrilogy or
Anthology sets.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 26, 2021, 01:02:31 PM
The original 1999 DVD release of ALIEN included the raw production audio - which wasn't carried over to either the Quadrilogy or Anthology sets.
I still watch that one occasionally, to enjoy the film's original colour timing and brightness, because I don't have the 4K yet.
Also, it's the ONLY digital release that has the film's wonderful poster art on the front. :)
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 26, 2021, 01:06:52 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 26, 2021, 01:02:31 PM
The original 1999 DVD release of ALIEN included the raw production audio - which wasn't carried over to either the Quadrilogy or Anthology sets.
I still watch that one occasionally, to enjoy the film's original colour timing and brightness, because I don't have the 4K yet.
Also, it's the ONLY digital release that has the film's wonderful poster art on the front. :)
The 1999 DVD also shows more image, not being as tightly cropped as the later releases. I also like the colours and lack of black crush.
If I'm not mistaken your referring to the ALIEN release from the ALIEN Legacy 20th Anniversary box set.
I still enjoy watching this. The menu with the Easter eggs. At times I put the score on and listen to it like a CD. It came with a screen saver that you could down load on to your computer. I hope one day it will be offered again for todays operating systems.
It also came with a promo sample of Legacy cards which I never opened.
The Blu Ray version is visually stunning (I don't have the 4K yet) I watch this version the most.
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Sep 26, 2021, 01:44:50 PM
If I'm not mistaken your referring to the ALIEN release from the ALIEN Legacy 20th Anniversary box set.
I still enjoy watching this. The menu with the Easter eggs. At times I put the score on and listen to it like a CD. It came with a screen saver that you could down load on to your computer. I hope one day it will be offered again for todays operating systems.
It also came with a promo sample of Legacy cards which I never opened.
The Blu Ray version is visually stunning (I don't have the 4K yet) I watch this version the most.
Yes, but the films were also available separately to me. I had the R1 NTSC DVD of ALIEN and ALIENS. I also bought the
ALIEN Legacy box set in 2000 (Australian release) and have the full card set (bought separately), from
inkworks.
The Australian
ALIEN Legacy release, happily, also included a bonus disc, the 60 mins documentary - that was available as a mail-away offer for the US R1 set.
When I first heard about the ALIEN films on DVD, I had to have the original film (my favourite). At the time (1999), I had NEVER seen the deleted scenes and outtakes from ALIEN, so was extremely excited on finally seeing the DVD.
I had completely missed the laserdiscs, never having owned any back in the day, but only years later - as second-hand collector's items. I was aware of the 1992
Special Widescreen Collector's Edition of ALIEN - which unveiled the deleted scenes and outtakes for the first time on home video. I had to wait seven long years until the DVDs.
I liked the animated menus for ALIEN, but they're a little slow these days - perhaps they always were?
I've mentioned this before, but I think the two guys behind the production of the
Legacy set may have inserted an image of themselves subliminally into the menus screens. There's a very brief flash of a person's (indistinct) face as the text pops up on a menu screen.
When the films were released to Blu-ray, I was much more impressed with the bonus features (especially, the
Enhancement Pods, containing addition outtakes and interviews) than the films, themselves. I didn't like the black crush, the tighter cropping - and - the teal & orange casts given to ALIEN & ALIENS.
The new 4K release is an improvement on the Blu-ray. The colours are more natural and not as saturated. And, best of all, the teal cast is gone. As an added bonus, the deleted scenes, from the DC, have been framed differently, showing more image (Lambert slap, etc) in some cases.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 26, 2021, 03:06:26 PM
Yes, but the films were also available separately to me. I had the R1 NTSC DVD of ALIEN and ALIENS. I also bought the ALIEN Legacy box set in 2000 (Australian release) and have the full card set (bought separately), from inkworks.
The Australian ALIEN Legacy release, happily, also included a bonus disc, the 60 mins documentary - that was available as a mail-away offer for the US R1 set.
When I first heard about the ALIEN films on DVD, I had to have the original film (my favourite). At the time (1999), I had NEVER seen the deleted scenes and outtakes from ALIEN, so was extremely excited on finally seeing the DVD.
I had completely missed the laserdiscs, never having owned any back in the day, but only years later - as second-hand collector's items. I was aware of the 1992 Special Widescreen Collector's Edition of ALIEN - which unveiled the deleted scenes and outtakes for the first time on home video. I had to wait seven long years until the DVDs.
I liked the animated menus for ALIEN, but they're a little slow these days - perhaps they always were?
I've mentioned this before, but I think the two guys behind the production of the Legacy set may have inserted an image of themselves subliminally into the menus screens. There's a very brief flash of a person's (indistinct) face as the text pops up on a menu screen.
When the films were released to Blu-ray, I was much more impressed with the bonus features (especially, the Enhancement Pods, containing addition outtakes and interviews) than the films, themselves. I didn't like the black crush, the tighter cropping - and - the teal & orange casts given to ALIEN & ALIENS.
The new 4K release is an improvement on the Blu-ray. The colours are more natural and not as saturated. And, best of all, the teal cast is gone. As an added bonus, the deleted scenes, from the DC, have been framed differently, showing more image (Lambert slap, etc) in some cases.
Were the crew files (Easter eggs) included in the single release?
I didn't know about the pics of the production guys hidden.
We shared the same excitement about getting the first film. I to own the laser disc of ALIEN bought second hand. I was given a player a few years ago but I don't own an old TV to watch it.
I must have over looked the mail in offer for the extra dvd. :(
I just checked eBay the Legacy VHS box set has the extra tape. Now I have something new to search for. The mail in dvd.
Thanks for posting about it!
Yes, the Easter Eggs (crew manifest and Ash's communique's) are on the DVDs (both R1 & R4). They're also on the Anthology 6-disc set. They're a bit hard to read because of the annoying micro text used. Even on a 50 inch Plasma, they're tough to read.
I think it's just one of the production guy's. It can be seen when the disc is first loaded. The figure looks like he has a beard ... I don't think it's Dallas. It's very quick.
The 60 mins ALIEN Legacy documentary is also available as a 'bonus feature' on the Anthology 6-disc set.
One thing that kinda bugs me about the Anthology: the digitally 'fixed' shots in Aliens (the chips in the medlab window, Bishop coming out of the floor, etc.) are snuck into the Theatrical Cut, as well. Not that I ever watch that version, but that kind of revisionist history makes me bristle a bit - by all means do what you like with a Special Edition, but the originals should be left alone.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 26, 2021, 04:57:18 PM
The 60 mins ALIEN Legacy documentary is also available as a 'bonus feature' on the Anthology 6-disc set.
I have seen it then as I own it and Quadrilogy. I will still search for it as I'm a bit of a completest. Though I do drawn the line if it's more than I feel it's worth. I have already looked on EBay for it.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens link=topic=65047.msg2541522#msg2541522 date=16326e77879
One thing that kinda bugs me about the Anthology: the digitally 'fixed' shots in Aliens (the chips in the medlab window, Bishop coming out of the floor, etc.) are snuck into the Theatrical Cut, as well. Not that I ever watch that version, but that kind of revisionist history makes me bristle a bit - by all means do what you like with a Special Edition, but the originals should be left alone.
I completely agree. They should be preserved so one can see how they were originally seen. I feel the same about literature. I've been fortunate to see ALIEN on the Big screen twice on 35mm film not a digital version projected on the screen.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Sep 26, 2021, 05:37:59 PM
One thing that kinda bugs me about the Anthology: the digitally 'fixed' shots in Aliens (the chips in the medlab window, Bishop coming out of the floor, etc.) are snuck into the Theatrical Cut, as well. Not that I ever watch that version, but that kind of revisionist history makes me bristle a bit - by all means do what you like with a Special Edition, but the originals should be left alone.
George bloody Lucas, with his 1997 / 2004 / 2011, and now, 4K SE Trilogy abominations made revisionism fashionable. Now every Hollywood filmmaker with some level of clout wants to 'improve' on their earlier works.
Just look at the T2 4K release, with digital head swaps for Schwarzenegger's stuntman shots.
Spielberg said he wouldn't mess with any of his films (after E.T. SE), yet, the fishing line attached to the buoy in the opening attack has been digitally rubbed out. So has a sailboat in the background (where Quint cuts his hand on the rope, pulling in the barrel attached to the shark).
I greatly despise this sort of thing, along with newly rebuilt audio tracks that mess with original sounds and mixing levels, are a constant annoyance.
I was looking forward to
The Thing (1982) in 4K. By all accounts, the video is a wonderful upgrade, but the new audio track is a great disappointment. UNIVERSAL, didn't even have the decency to include the original audio track. >:(
What is everyone's opinion on this set?
Alien: Quadrilogy [Blu-ray] https://a.co/d/6icSRpB
I had the collector's edition of the original Anthology release (the one with the collectible egg) but had to sell it for financial reasons.
I want to own them all again on physical discs and have a $25 Amazon gift card. Is it worth getting for the movies alone or should I get an anthology set off eBay?
Thank you!
Quote from: ebridwell89 on Jul 22, 2022, 04:39:31 AMWhat is everyone's opinion on this set?
Alien: Quadrilogy [Blu-ray] https://a.co/d/6icSRpB
I had the collector's edition of the original Anthology release (the one with the collectible egg) but had to sell it for financial reasons.
I want to own them all again on physical discs and have a $25 Amazon gift card. Is it worth getting for the movies alone or should I get an anthology set off eBay?
Thank you!
This release doesn't have the two bonus discs - if you're into value-added material - get that release, instead.
I had the limited egg release in 2010. It's butt ugly - I threw the egg away - and kept the cardboard fold-out packaging. It's small and very compact.