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I Wonder, the Predator release date will change as well?
After the reshoot news anything possible..

https://twitter.com/ERCboxoffice/status/963320961368915968

They claim The Predator has been pushed back to September.

QuoteTHE PREDATOR sets its sights on Sept. 14, 2018 instead of August 3rd. Obviously hoping to scare up some of that mad money Stephen King's IT made last year in what is typically a box office dead zone.

I've emailed Fox for an official response.

Oh man if they push this thing back any more it'll become a Cloverfield movie.

Mannnn so dissappointing

I'm very angry and they were going to release this month ...

Considering the reshoots this is sliiiiightly concerning, but hopefully turns out for the best.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 13, 2018, 08:44:57 AM
Oh man if they push this thing back any more it'll become a Cloverfield movie.

Hmm, hadn't considered that, going straight to Netflix.

I agree. It is now up against weaker opposition. Sounds like fox doesn't have to much faith in it.

So the first teaser trailer likely debut in April.. or May with Deadpool 2..

This is painful... and worrying.

QuoteSo the first teaser trailer likely debut in April.. or May with Deadpool 2..

That hurts even more, so close to seeing some footage and now another 3 months.

 :'(  :'(

I think there's a ceiling when it comes to Predator and box office, so if a weak BO period is what they think they need, so be it.

man hopefully we going to have trailer in March, if no, It's going to be super frustrating!

I'm looking forward to this but are the rumors...

Spoiler

that it is a comedy really true?

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I definitely have to echo the concern on this thread. The more it gets pushed back the more I fear Fox thinks this movie is a bomb. Hopefully the reshoots will fix some of the issues. I'm just cautiously optimistic.I've followed the news about this movie since it was announced Shane Black was directing. I've waited years for this movie. What's another month?

With the reshoots/pick ups and moving the film again. Im not actually that worried. Fox have a habit of doing this lately with all their films, so I don't see it as a bad sign.

Also means it comes out closer to my birthday so lol

Could be good. Could be bad. I just hope the final movie is the better for it.

Fox taking back control over Shane?

OH FOR F**K SAKE MORE WAITING!

Trailer will be when? I can wait, month here. . month there, I can wait sure, but what about the trailer, or teaser atleast?

Who knows at this point. There's still a chance we might get in March (presumably with Red Sparrow) but that might be pushing. Another option would be Deadpool 2 in May.

I didn't even know what the release date was before checking this thread, so I can't say I'm too bothered by it. :laugh:

I'll wait for an official statement from Fox.

Yay !!!

The big boys are now reporting it, sourcing it as Fox. Likely came from one of the press resources.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/922167-fox-pushes-back-alita-and-the-predator-dates-branaghs-death-on-the-nile
https://screenrant.com/death-nile-predator-alita-movie-release-dates/

You know when it's cold outside, the sky is grey, and you get that little news that darkens your day a bit more, well, this is exactly it...

I'm not to bothered by this, a month is (as the report says) only a strategic move, and after seeing how poorly Alien Covenant did I can fully understand this.

Like many others here I want to see a trailer soon, a trailer will give a good indication of what to expect quality wise.

are you kidding me right now come on :(




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This is not good. How many times has this been pushed back already? Time to reset the timers on several fansites.

Dammit. Well if it's strategic I guess that's good but I would have guessed Equalizer 2 would've been the one to move.

I'm still not worried about the movie quality-wise, but that's just painful to have to wait one more month, and maybe more considering my location, it will probably be out later than that in my country... Feel the pain...

Imdb reported olivia munn had been replaced by milla jovovich as the lead role in a upcoming movie , so i think it is safe to say olivia munn will be in the reshoots.
Edumacated guess
If This time change allows for a more polished movie then i am fine with it

That picture (You cant escape the Predator) is official?

More signs that this film is doomed ...   :-

Something clearly has gone wrong . If they were confident the film would be a success surely we would of seen a sneak peak trailer by now .

Fox has also pushed back Battle Angel to December (from July). That movie seems to be in trouble as well (just look at these creepy eyes in the trailer).

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 13, 2018, 08:15:53 AM
https://twitter.com/ERCboxoffice/status/963320961368915968

They claim The Predator has been pushed back to September.

QuoteTHE PREDATOR sets its sights on Sept. 14, 2018 instead of August 3rd. Obviously hoping to scare up some of that mad money Stephen King's IT made last year in what is typically a box office dead zone.

I've emailed Fox for an official response.

Corporal Hicks you should email fox about official confirmation of the trailer release date. ;)

EVIL the PREDATOR oh my god, again the negative and pessimistic reactions  ;D

Could this have something to do with the Disney takeover?

The fact that they're moving it to a less competitive month seems like a good sign to me. Shows they think it can stand on its own as long as it's not buried by blockbusters. In September, all it will have to compete with are kid's movies and Robin Hood (which is almost destined to flop).

Smart move.

Quote from: David on Feb 13, 2018, 05:21:00 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 13, 2018, 08:15:53 AM
https://twitter.com/ERCboxoffice/status/963320961368915968

They claim The Predator has been pushed back to September.

QuoteTHE PREDATOR sets its sights on Sept. 14, 2018 instead of August 3rd. Obviously hoping to scare up some of that mad money Stephen King's IT made last year in what is typically a box office dead zone.

I've emailed Fox for an official response.

Corporal Hicks you should email fox about official confirmation of the trailer release date. ;)

I did and I can confirm this change.

War for the Planet of the Apes would have benefited from moving to September instead of keeping its July spot and bombing last year.

It's all business, and a smart move.

Still growing impatient tho.

They should still give a teaser trailer this month or next. Doubt it now though. The wait goes on. I just want to see how the movie looks.

Ron Howard will come and fix everything ...

Quote from: Dingles McScringles on Feb 13, 2018, 05:54:35 PM
The fact that they're moving it to a less competitive month seems like a good sign to me. Shows they think it can stand on its own as long as it's not buried by blockbusters. In September, all it will have to compete with are kid's movies and Robin Hood (which is almost destined to flop).

Smart move.

This allows another month of the "hype" train to roll thru too, which the franchise in general needs.  So can't hurt. 

I have no problem with this.I don't mind waiting longer for a better product.

If only Covenant had done the same then we could have also had a better product with that too.

Quote from: black on Feb 13, 2018, 06:48:40 PM
Ron Howard will come and fix everything ...

Lol yeah, and they will reshoot 75% of the movie.

Don't care. Waiting for the trailer is far more agonizing. Hope we still get it at the end of the month.

I think that (not only) for me, the trailer will be super important. I can even lost interest in it, if the trailer shows too much comedy or something really disturbing, who knows. Of course I still end up watching it with my girlfriend in cinema. But, if I see a bad camera angles, shake moves, bad acting or weak and silly Predator interpretation in the trailer, I will be hardly dissapointed, and it will kill me as a fan. So, even judging the few seconds from teaser will be very important, I still cant imagine the whole tone, mood or style of the film. I hope it will be something more between P1 or P2 style. I cant judge from Kiss Kiss Bang Bang or Ironman 3 what the Shane Black can come up with, these are totally different movies. I hope that he still remember why the first one was so good, and what exactly made it good, esspecialy when he was one of the actors in it.

Would someone please spear the scorpion on this movie's back?

I hope we will be seeing the movie this year.

Look I'm just realistic , not pessimistic. I'm not going to get all hung up on the predator the way I did with 2010s predators , only to be severely disappointed. No way man . I see history repeating itself here , the 2010s predators script was leaked and proved to be accurate . So I'm sorry but all the telltale signs are there that this film is in a big trouble . Again I would love for it to be a success , and for all my fellow predator fans to say "evil was wrong !! " but the fact of the matter is there is nothing that has come out so far that isn't bad news. You cannot blame me for being negative
, predators , Prometheus , alien: covenant , they are all just bad cash cows . And I'm sorry for speaking my mind , but look , ask yourself this , if fox were confident this wasn't a stinker , they would be confident enough to put it against other blockbusters , the September slot is a act of desperation nothing more . Only time will tell , but I'm warning everyone don't get too excited , " it's better to be prepared and not need it , then not be prepared and need it "

Netflix here it comes.

Ive been seeing a lot of comments lately about Netflix. Was this stated as a possibility somewhere or just forum speculation?

Quote from: Jango1201 on Feb 13, 2018, 11:04:38 PM
Ive been seeing a lot of comments lately about Netflix. Was this stated as a possibility somewhere or just forum speculation?

No, it was never stated as a possibility by anyone behind the production of the film. Mostly jokes here on the forum because Cloverfield Paradox recently hit Netflix in a stunt-like manner.

Thedutchpredator .... we are now on the eastern front 😂 😂 😂

Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 13, 2018, 11:24:10 PM
Mostly jokes here on the forum because Cloverfield Paradox recently hit Netflix in a stunt-like manner.

That and Annihilation going straight to Netflix outside of the U.S. A gamble that is a toss up for Paramount. If it's a dud, Paramount will benefit the infusion of Netflix cash to cushion the 55 million dollar budget. But if it's a hit, Paramount will miss out on significant international box office. Considering Paramount's recent string of failures - Baywatch, Ghost in the Shell, Transformers 5, and more, not a shocker they look elsewhere to curb their recent misfortunes.

I'm not overly surprised. Wasn't it moved to August to avoid The Meg in the first place? I was wondering if something similar would happen once that movie got pushed back to the same month. I'm more upset that I have to rejigger my podcast schedule a tad now. :laugh:

Ha ha love it

https://twitter.com/Predator/status/963593866875084800

EVIL the PREDATOR I see where you comming from. I am my self don't have high hopes, better say I have hopes , But I see a big possobility with it being a flop. Just everytime you post something it's more feels like you trying to reassure your self from not bieliving in this projects   ;) I never sayed that this movie going to bew great, or never said that this movie going to be terrible, that's what I call being "Realistic". What you typing is usually more "pessimistic"    ;)  You know movies where a lot of people trapped somewhere, and it's one guy who keeps telling everyone "We are going to die!", you remind me of this type characters  ;D No offense man

Another movie moving to September...http://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3483213/say-prayers-conjuring-spinoff-nun-shifts-fall/

One week before the Predator's new release date.
Who will win the boxoffice battle?
https://twitter.com/TheInSneider/status/963594193472970752

@Azat .... I'm not pessimistic at all . My expectations are realistic and I clearly explained why my expectations are the way they are . Keep kicking a dog when it's down and eventually it will bite back so to speak,  And that is exactly where I'm at with 20th century fox now . They have promised me the goods for way too long only to feed me 💩. The party trick only works a few times . I come here because I will always enjoy the character "predator" that doesn't mean I will like anything.

Well, i am not expecting this movie to be good anyway, but the wait is getting boring.

I get what your saying evil I would love nothing more than this being successful. I still remember going to the pictures way back in 87 and watching this movie I knew nothing about and walking away going wow I'm in love and being a massive die hard fan since. If this movie is crap well it is what it is but I rather see a New predator movie than none at all. As long as they keep making I will keep watching.

Thedutchpredator "but I rather see a New predator movie than none at all. As long as they keep making I will keep watching." Totally agree with you! And in the end of the day we still have two first movies  ;)

Thedutchpredator .. I feel you bro , I'll watch it no doubt, it's still predator and as much as my ego is the size of mars
, I want to be wrong so badly on this one . But I think my main concern is where this will leave our favourite hunter in the future. If this movie bombs it might very well be the final nail in the coffin . Disney will look at this franchise as something to avoid . Behind all my rage , that's my biggest concern . Alien is different and I'm sure Disney will make something from that franchise . But predator has always been hot and cold , and if Disney feel it can't be revived and invested in , they will almost certainly dump it . That's why it's irrelevant if I like the film or not , I just want it to be a success . Purely so we don't loose him forever.

EVIL the PREDATOR I dont think Predator will disappear disappear. The worst case scenario, they will forget about it for 20 years and will try to remake it.

Fred Dekker shared the news on his Facebook. Here's a reply to one of the comments that had me chuckling  :laugh:

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Wow I'll be 47 if that happened 😧

Honestly though planet of the apes got remade and
It was awesome . 2017's IT was a semi remake and again it was my favourite film of the year . Remakes can work if done right . Maybe a reboot might not be a bad thing , then again it could it dreadful .

Tagline change! "you'll never GET TO see him coming". (Does the doctor evil finger move) Mwuhaha!  ;D

Yes evil I'm worried that he will be gone also.
I think you said on the western front that dc has done so many great stories they need only pick one of those. There are so many base scripts ready to be  elaborated on.

Thedutchpredator Dark Horse  ;)

Thedutchpredator ... yep there's some quality material amongst all those comics . Why fox never acknowledged this is beyond me . Personally I would love to see ahab brought to life for the big screen . I doubt I'll ever see that though 😒

Quote from: Huggs on Feb 14, 2018, 08:29:10 AM
Tagline change! "you'll never GET TO see him coming". (Does the doctor evil finger move) Mwuhaha!  ;D

Hahahaha :laugh: :laugh:

They should push back to 2028 so nobody question after all.

Even Equalizer 2 got a different release date. Whats with all the scrambling??  :laugh:

I'm glad the studios are willing to regroup.  Too many movies have been ruined by trying to make a release date instead of trying to make a good movie.

Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 14, 2018, 06:20:43 AM
One week before the Predator's new release date.
Who will win the boxoffice battle?
https://twitter.com/TheInSneider/status/963594193472970752

Maybe they will move The Predator again to avoid it  :laugh:

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 14, 2018, 01:33:33 PM

Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 14, 2018, 06:20:43 AM
One week before the Predator's new release date.
Who will win the boxoffice battle?
https://twitter.com/TheInSneider/status/963594193472970752

Maybe they will move The Predator again to avoid it  :laugh:

Hopefully not the January dumping ground of bad movies.

The Nun might actually do big business considering the success of Annabelle Creation and Conjuring movies.

Hopefully The Predator can make a big impression at Cinemacon and Comic Con and use the extra time to have a solid marketing campaign.

I hope Fox understand that they have to compete with other movies at one point, that's part of the business, so that we don't have the movie for 2019 at this pace  :laugh:

I know right?? They need to jump in and do it already.

I guess The Predator is in the same relative spot as Kingsmen 2 from last year. I didn't like that movie but it was in a good spot after comic con and it was a profitable R rated action film that came out soon after the splash that 'IT' made.

Chances are they'll keep the spot - if not it'd be a mistake imo haha.

Quote from: Azat Orynbassarov on Feb 14, 2018, 03:52:52 AM
EVIL the PREDATOR I see where you comming from. I am my self don't have high hopes, better say I have hopes , But I see a big possobility with it being a flop. Just everytime you post something it's more feels like you trying to reassure your self from not bieliving in this projects   ;) I never sayed that this movie going to bew great, or never said that this movie going to be terrible, that's what I call being "Realistic". What you typing is usually more "pessimistic"    ;)  You know movies where a lot of people trapped somewhere, and it's one guy who keeps telling everyone "We are going to die!", you remind me of this type characters  ;D No offense man

LOL, so basically Hudson from Aliens.

Same time tho Hudson was right....in a sense. 

I get the pre-angst with this movie.  The mere revelation that the movie has a strong lording pretense of Pred and humans co-exhisting and "teaming" up, which was a fatal flaw to the C-level AVP, to double down on that premise and say "well i'll take that stupid premise and do it better" really isn't a good move. 

Black is already introducing the whole Mercury-Rising-Stranger-thing-IT-kid formula, sticking with that would've been plenty in terms of "new" and "reboot" etc. for the Predator franchise.

There seems to be a small minority of us that don't/didn't think Predator needed a "reboot" or an "expanded" universe or a "new" take.  And the 3 attempts prior have proven such, now we have to sit here and watch a 4th attempt, yeah we're gonna be Hudson from Aliens, annoying sure- but realistic and likely prophetic "we're all gonna die man!"  and die they did. 

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Side note is "The Meg" really expected to do that much damage?  I mean it sounds cool.  But really the "average" movie goer isn't going to know much about it.  And Stathom isn't exactly A-list.  I'd get if they didn't wanna go against the Rock and "Rampage" or The 17th Avenger's movie.  But a Stathom- shark movie-taking away from a Sci-Fi-Pred movie?????

Unless they know The Meg is getting something The Pred is not...good pre-screen/script vibes ??????

Makes you wonder. 

Quote from: Original Predator on Feb 14, 2018, 04:12:28 PM
There seems to be a small minority of us that don't/didn't think Predator needed a "reboot" or an "expanded" universe or a "new" take.  And the 3 attempts prior have proven such, now we have to sit here and watch a 4th attempt, yeah we're gonna be Hudson from Aliens, annoying sure- but realistic and likely prophetic "we're all gonna die man!"  and die they did.

What's the alternative though? A rehash? People called RR's Predators a rehash too.

Realistically, you can interpret every piece of news as a bad omen and scream we're all gonna die but moving to September can be a huge leap towards a more successful movie. I'll be the first to say we're all gonna die but I'd do it more like Billy and after better evidence like a change in directors or actually seeing a trailer :laugh:

I wasn't too worried about the The Meg, seems like it could be fun and dumb or terrible and dumb but that's it lol

I think Fox wants to separate from the blockbuster fatigue that might hit audiences in August. Then they will have a few weeks of smaller films before The Predator being counter programming to said smaller films. But that's just my theory.

Stealth hunter , the evidence is already there that this movie is in trouble. I'm not hitting out on this film because I want to be mean and spoil it for others. Iv never given spoilers for example. And Yano like iv said I want this film to be a commercial success regardless if I enjoy the film or not , because I just don't want to see the death of my beloved hunter just because a movie studio is hellbent on neglecting him. The Disney is move couldn't of been worser timed in that regard . And it makes me nervous!!  😩

Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 14, 2018, 04:29:45 PM

Quote from: Original Predator on Feb 14, 2018, 04:12:28 PM
There seems to be a small minority of us that don't/didn't think Predator needed a "reboot" or an "expanded" universe or a "new" take.  And the 3 attempts prior have proven such, now we have to sit here and watch a 4th attempt, yeah we're gonna be Hudson from Aliens, annoying sure- but realistic and likely prophetic "we're all gonna die man!"  and die they did.

What's the alternative though? A rehash? People called RR's Predators a rehash too.

Realistically, you can interpret every piece of news as a bad omen and scream we're all gonna die but moving to September can be a huge leap towards a more successful movie. I'll be the first to say we're all gonna die but I'd do it more like Billy and after better evidence like a change in directors or actually seeing a trailer :laugh:

Exactly.  At some point, something updated/new/original/fresh, in a big way, is going to have to be injected into the franchise to keep it from going stale.  The premise of Predators was similar enough to the original film and people still had a problem with it being a rehash (ironic, because even that movie had new elements injected into it.)

Quote from: Original Predator on Feb 14, 2018, 04:12:28 PM
There seems to be a small minority of us that don't/didn't think Predator needed a "reboot" or an "expanded" universe or a "new" take.  And the 3 attempts prior have proven such, now we have to sit here and watch a 4th attempt, yeah we're gonna be Hudson from Aliens, annoying sure- but realistic and likely prophetic "we're all gonna die man!"  and die they did. 

Why every pessimist need to say that they being realistic  ;D Hudson wasn't realistic, he was panic monger. But he was one bad ass panic monger, still my favourite character from Alien franchise  :D
   
    I am not so into rebooting and exploring every single franchise, but as a story, character and franchise Predator needs to move somewhere, we can't change location and characters forever (Predator 2 had LA and cops, Predators had mercenaries and another planet), as you all love predators, at some point we need to start learning and get involved with the predators themselves (in cinematic universe).
   
    We already had a better exposure of part of their culture in second Predator, and some hints in Predators, but they are all were just little hints. You cant go far with this amaunt of information about the race(not including comics and books). So we do need to have more developed universe if we want to see something good coming out of this Franchise. I am not saying I am happy with the Shane Black's chosen road to develope this universe, but it's the only thing we have right now at this moment.

PS. I loved Predator 2 and how they had just tidbit of hints about their culture, but you cant fool people around for too long, if you want them be invested in the Predatos themselfs. 

Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 14, 2018, 04:29:45 PM

Quote from: Original Predator on Feb 14, 2018, 04:12:28 PM
There seems to be a small minority of us that don't/didn't think Predator needed a "reboot" or an "expanded" universe or a "new" take.  And the 3 attempts prior have proven such, now we have to sit here and watch a 4th attempt, yeah we're gonna be Hudson from Aliens, annoying sure- but realistic and likely prophetic "we're all gonna die man!"  and die they did.

What's the alternative though? A rehash? People called RR's Predators a rehash too.

Realistically, you can interpret every piece of news as a bad omen and scream we're all gonna die but moving to September can be a huge leap towards a more successful movie. I'll be the first to say we're all gonna die but I'd do it more like Billy and after better evidence like a change in directors or actually seeing a trailer :laugh:

I've said it before "millions" of times.  Blade-Runner-esque sequel.  Use THAT structure as the structure to catapult the franchise for the future.  Jumping right into what Black is jumping into would be good for a 2nd or 3rd Black-Predator movie, AFTER he did a franchise-"transition" movie.  The fact that Black has been given the "reigns" to this franchise and expected (I'm sure that can change depending on this films showing) to make a sequel or two.  For him to skip the "transition" film and gloss over that necessity (Which has been the void since Pred 2, (you don't go Pred 2 and skip to AVP without the fan-base going "huh?") . 

For Villenuve to realize/recognize/common sense etc. "Fans wanna know what happened to Deckard, Gaff, even Racheal".  He could've said F-it, they've gone 30 years, they've come to their own conclusions Deckard ran off, he was a replicant, Gaff is dead etc... Here is MY BLADE RUNNER!

He didn't do that, he "transitioned" the franchise, successfully so (you can't argue that BR2049 wasn't a great movie better than "Nice Guys" and "Kiss, Kiss Bang Bang"  ;D), now they are talking sequels. 

I'm not sure how this get's ignored but again (probly cause you can't really argue the successful formula), I'm in the minority that thinks this movie could have been good/successful with the "3rd FILM" Per Shane Black we are supposed to skip everything else....cuz he's making the 3rd "official" Pred....yet he's gonna not treat it with care and common sense like Villenuve did????  Makes ZERO sense.   

Wysps people mostly had a problem with the super predators and treating winstons classic like he was some sort of bit*h. And it seems we are in for more of the same. I'm all for new change , but winstons design was perfect , no neee to go bigger !!

Meh. Evil the predator you think of the predator creature as a singular character though and I dont. We just have different ways of seeing the franchise on a whole.

I don't think of predator as a singular character at all . But look ask yourself this what character differences was there between P1 and P2s predators, ? They both shared the same traits... As for super predators when you make inferior designs and act if they are superior, it's going to piss a lot of fans off . It's like making jumbo jet and acting as if it's faster than a fighter jet , it simply doesn't work

Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 14, 2018, 05:20:34 PM
Meh. Evil the predator you think of the predator creature as a singular character though and I dont. We just have different ways of seeing the franchise on a whole.

With that said, then you probly liked AVP's and Predators, cuz you got to see other predators, home-world, hunting tactics etc...And your in the majority. 

Black is hedging his bets on THAT crowd.  I admitted I'm in the minority.  I enjoy(ed) a single pred, albeit a new pred (I always thought it would be cool to have progressively advanced hunters/preds come to earth, gov't trying to figure them out, thinking they've figured them out, then bam, new pred, brings new toys/tactics, technology that would make for a good transition movie  ;D etc...)

Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2018, 05:33:04 PM
I don't think of predator as a singular character at all . But look ask yourself this what character differences was there between P1 and P2s predators, ? They both shared the same traits... As for super predators when you make inferior designs and act if they are superior, it's going to piss a lot of fans off . It's like making jumbo jet and acting as if it's faster than a fighter jet , it simply doesn't work

Then why compare him to harry potter? The "super" preds in predators weren't superior because they gang up on a weakened one. they were just a different tribe. Your getting carried away in cymantics and rumblings of people who call themselves true fans. If anything, Predators establishes the opposite of what is assumed by those who read the leaked script, that being which predators are tougher.

Quote from: Original Predator on Feb 14, 2018, 05:47:31 PM

Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 14, 2018, 05:20:34 PM
Meh. Evil the predator you think of the predator creature as a singular character though and I dont. We just have different ways of seeing the franchise on a whole.

With that said, then you probly liked AVP's and Predators, cuz you got to see other predators, home-world, hunting tactics etc...And your in the majority. 

Black is hedging his bets on THAT crowd.  I admitted I'm in the minority.  I enjoy(ed) a single pred, albeit a new pred (I always thought it would be cool to have progressively advanced hunters/preds come to earth, gov't trying to figure them out, thinking they've figured them out, then bam, new pred, brings new toys/tactics, technology that would make for a good transition movie  ;D etc...)

You'd be right if you assumed that I like anything new regardless of the quality and execution. That second idea sounds cool. It lines up with what I said to begin with and what you quoted. Different preds means different elements in what they do and how they act.

Quote from: Original Predator on Feb 14, 2018, 05:47:31 PM

Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 14, 2018, 05:20:34 PM
Meh. Evil the predator you think of the predator creature as a singular character though and I dont. We just have different ways of seeing the franchise on a whole.

With that said, then you probly liked AVP's and Predators, cuz you got to see other predators, home-world, hunting tactics etc...And your in the majority. 

Black is hedging his bets on THAT crowd.  I admitted I'm in the minority.

I don't think Stealth Hunter was talking about having multiple predators in the movie, his response was to Evil, because Evil seems to be vey fixed on the original(designwise and overall). I dind't like AvP and Predators, but I do want to see new hunters, can it be more then one predator, maybe, one I think is still better (easy to focus). The reason I personaly didn't like AvP and Predators because of weaker directors compare to Mcternan, and predators just lookd so lame in this movies(not designwise, but threatwise). And majority of people think that this movie going to suck, so I don't see how you guys are minority  :) Just my opinion.

I don't think Shane Black is hedging his bets on the crowd that enjoyed the AVP movies. He already referred to them as "knock off." I think majority of people actually hated those movies.

Hang on let's get this straight , and don't put words in my mouth , I did not compare predator to Harry Potter , clearly you didn't read what I said . I used Harry Potter as an example on how not to go against what's been established, we all know harry is for the force of good . Randomly Turning him evil because it's "fresh" would not work , because Harry's quest to rid the wizarding world of evil , is fundamental to his characters design . Just like with p1 and p2 there were traits shared by all of the predators that were fundamental to their character . Going against that formula makes no sense at all . I do not think of predator as singular character , I just think in terms of the way they look and act , they should "feel" like the originals.

Looking at this discussion, I'm really curious how a "Blade Runner-esque" sequel would map to this franchise. Because I don't see it.

Blade Runner is a rich world full of ideas about humanity, environment, class, creation, etc. There is a lot more there to explore. Predator is a really fun action-packed monster movie with memorable (if over-the-top) characters.

I would think the approach of being "true" to Predator would be to try and make a really fun action-packed monster movie with a memorable cast of badasses.

Evil, not trying to debate, just trying to clear something up for you. Hollywood before was telling you that Harry Potter individual of a human race, using him as an exapmle is a little bit off. Predators are alien hunters, they can have stripers, cops, cooks etc. If we not trying to be too ridiculous, we can say that different tribes, or groups of predator can have different motives, styles, codes of honer bla bla bla. The things what Stealth hunter and Hollywood was talking about that the comparising is a little bit off. If you  comparing one individual to Harry Potter it works, if you comparing whole hunter race to one individual(Harry Potter using as an example) it doesnt work. Predator can be vegetarian in the end of the day  ;D But I do get what your point is.

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"And lastly bless his soul , do you honestly believe the man who created our hunter Stan winston would of been happy seeing his creature treated like that ? I highly doubt it . In fact I think he would look at what the predator franchise has become , and think "my god this is a mess , what have they done to my baby!""
Evil, I think it's where you getting it wrong. This is movie industry, Predator is no Francis Ford Coppola's movie, or Cubric's. It's a pop corn movie which got a lot of talants working on it (Mctiernan, Kevin Peter Hall, Arnold, Sten and his team, Silver etc.) It's just a work and another projects for them, they maybe do grow on some projects but it's still just a job. Movie making is collaborative work, and it's how you getting new directors and designers working on the same franchise. And therefore they got to used to treat it as a job  ;)

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"Did you all get that part !!! A snake is A snake ! The rest is mostly cosmetic and subtle ."
Comon Evil, do you think that alien hunter can't have a personality?

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"And it was a big slap in the face to the fans and to winston ."
Evil it's no slap, it's a job. You taking it too personal, as a 3d artist in movie and game industry I am telling you that one of the first leassons they teach you in industry is don't get attach to your design/work, it's just a project, you can put your heart into it, but it's still just a project/assignment. I agree that Stan's design is still the best, especially in the second one.

And for the record stealth hunter , you never answered my question , what differences did p1s predator and P2s predator have ? It was mostly cosmetic changes . Personality and culture wise wise they were exactly the same . They are supposed to have an honor system . Their culture is semi based on Japanese culture . People often over look this , in order to do something "fresh" . As for the super predators not being superior, why did the classic go out the way he did then? And lastly bless his soul , do you honestly believe the man who created our hunter Stan winston would of been happy seeing his creature treated like that ? I highly doubt it . In fact I think he would look at what the predator franchise has become , and think "my god this is a mess , what have they done to my baby!"

"Broad concept's the same. The difference is, this here's a quote for Stan himself .... " is a different individual. A different individual of the same species. As is a snake is a snake, but different snakes are different. Their colorings are different, different parts of their characteristics, their facial structures, subtle differences."
— Stan Winston describing the Predator in Predator 2 and explaining the reason for the varying designs and looks of the Predators.


Did you all get that part !!! A snake is A snake ! The rest is mostly cosmetic and subtle .

And this is what the producers of 2010s predators said about the super preds ... "For the so-called "Black Super Predators" in Predators, the designers used the differences between a cassette tape and an iPod as an analogy in differentiating the new Predators from the classic. The Super Predators were designed as leaner and taller than the "classic" Predator design, and they have longer faces, tighter armor, and more swept back dreadlocks" ... there for classic predator is so yesterday ! And it was a big slap in the face to the fans and to winston .

No one got "slapped in the face" because they introduced a different tribe of predators, and people don't get into Stan Winton's position by being overly precious about their work. I can almost guarantee you he would not have been offended that some slightly different Predators were introduced to the series (which didn't even supplant his design -- that one's in there too).

So confused, I can't even see EVIL'S posts, just  azamultic quoting them.

Hollywood yehh forum is being strange, Check the news comments you will see Evils posts, and I don't think that he saw my comments)

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"Stan was the author in a lot of ways"
Evil I agree on it, if not for Stan, maybe this web site would only be about Aliens  ;D. But Sten created a lot of characters though his amazing career. What I am trying to say you holding the Predator on high  pedestal. For Sten and his team it was just another project they were "happy" to work on.(I didn't read his book, so it's just my speculations). And his team was surprised how much of impact this character had, because for them it was just another project(again just guessing). What I think trully was the Stan's baby is "Pumpkinhead". But the idea about female predatr is interesting.
"My problem is that I feel like the studios are hellbent on making them "human" and that to me is stupid"
the code of honor is already human like  ;) the problem here is that predator already exists as a human relatable character, he hunts, he takes trophies and he likes to showboating  ;D

Yeah the comments section is being strange , I was answering people one at a time , somehow it's all come through as if I wrote it all at the same time .

I'm not debating that predators cannot have personality, I'm merely saying there is culture to them , and it shouldn't be messed with.  Stan was the author in a lot of ways , in terms of establishing the feel of what a predator actually is and why they do what they do .  What's the point in calling them hunters if we are now choosing to go against that formula ? My problem is that I feel like the studios are hellbent on making them "human" and that to me is stupid . Just because we as a human spiecies have different cultures and morals , doesn't mean an alien race would be the same . Maybe they have got over the problems that humanity face ? Maybe that's why they go hunting elsewhere in the first place ? At the end of p2 they clearly valued their slain brother , because they picked him up and moved him . If I was going to do something "fresh" for the franchise , I wouldn't mess about with what Stan established . I would introduce a female predator to the audience . That to me , is truly fresh .

" .... I'm not pessimistic at all . My expectations are realistic and I clearly explained why my expectations are the way they are . Keep kicking a dog when it's down and eventually it will bite back so to speak,  And that is exactly where I'm at with 20th century fox now . They have promised me the goods for way too long only to feed me 💩. The party trick only works a few times . I come here because I will always enjoy the character "predator" that doesn't mean I will like anything."

so much TRUTH!!! a nuke of a truth bomb just went off ....

Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 14, 2018, 06:01:05 PM
I don't think Shane Black is hedging his bets on the crowd that enjoyed the AVP movies. He already referred to them as "knock off." I think majority of people actually hated those movies.

Yet, he's taking many of the elements those movies used and putting them in this one??????

So what Black says and is apparently doing, make no sense.

Quote from: Original Predator on Feb 14, 2018, 07:55:53 PM

Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 14, 2018, 06:01:05 PM
I don't think Shane Black is hedging his bets on the crowd that enjoyed the AVP movies. He already referred to them as "knock off." I think majority of people actually hated those movies.

Yet, he's taking many of the elements those movies used and putting them in this one??????

So what Black says and is apparently doing, make no sense.

Is he? If he makes it R rated and has lighting on the set he's already doing a better job  :laugh:

EVIL the PREDATOR - So you dont like Predators as a stand alone movie? When I was watching it for the first time, I was really glad that they use this Bad Blood Predator concept. It should be obvious that these new Predators was all from "Bad Blood" comics theme. It took me a few seconds to realise what they really are, and when the crew meet the Noland and he tell them more about their differences, it was like "yeah, I was thinking the same". Im glad that they use Bad Blood idea in it, honestly I think that this whole idea and its potential was even better than the entire film. If you think about it, its clear enough. . they have entirely different methods for their >>hunt<<. They have even some (propably) own (or captured) jungle planet for it, dogs and various traps. . (did we see any traps from P1 or P2 Preds?) They dont collect any skulls, they dont have any honor (Falconner maybe just a little bit) and what is more important is, that somehow they find the way how to abduct other classic Preds, humans, creatures into their "infantile" game. If they abduct the humans, and they do it for a really long time (judging by the Katana and the Noland's shield vest in the movie) it should mean that they visit the Earth as same as the classic Preds. I think that Shane Black is trying to bring this idea also into his movie, that naturally Armored Pred from the script could be just another Bad Blood Pred, similar to Berserker or more advanced (if its not some genetical human-made mutant, bleh!) And judging by the moment from Predators, when the crew see the other (destroyed) planets on the sky. . we can say that there was perhaps some great war here, maybe war between the two fractions that lead to a total destruction, or it could mean that these Bad Preds destroy some other different races here, because the Noland's home was some kind of big and strange drill rig, with clearly different visuals inside. I think he is trying to use this Bad Blood concept just because it was the last thing in the Predator franchise. Why not to continue with it? I mean, he could think this. That idea from the Shane's script, that Predators use DNA to evolve themselves was previously meant to be used also in the Predators movie, but they dont use it. . and I think that their idea was that Preds should inject it directly to themselves, this was meant to explain difference in their looks and behaviour, but it was meant to be exclusive thing that only Bad Preds do, and not all Preds as a race. It is nteresting, Im convinced that Shane Black take these unused ideas from Predators. But Im hope that he will not use this ideas for Preds as a whole. It will be much better if he use this ideas only for Bad Preds. . if they really will be in the movie.

Azamultic I like you bro , it's good debating with you because you make a lot of sense tbh , even when I don't always agree 😂

I do get that the predators are " some what " human in design and personality, after all they share traits with old Japanese honour systems , but do we really have to make them truly human, in the sense of making them heroes etc ,  They are aliens at the end of the day ,keep them that way . They should feel alien , part of why we are all fascinated by the concepts of alien species in the first place  is the fear of the unknown , they should provoke wonder as well as be threatening at the same time

.  Although Shane black did say he wanted this film to provoke the same feeling encounters of a third kind did , so that's promising for me at least ..  the "alien" side of things is where I'd like to see this franchise heading . But having multiple predators helping humanity feels just a tad out of place for me . But hey it's only my opinion at the end of the day.

Petr .. I was severely disappointed by predators.. a lot of it was to do with the super predators for me ,  I felt their visual design was terrible . I'm not against the idea of bad bloods if done right , but for me predators failed on that front miserably.

Evil I am sincerely happy that you not annoyed by me bro  ;D Yeh it was a lot of debating lately. I see your point and where you comming from (Predator is my all time favourite character/alien race), just trying to get some scores for the team "The Predator 2018" because it feels like a lot of fans did lose hope for this franchise because of the leaked script and ect. And just trying to pick everybodys mood back on track, who knows maybe Shane wil resurect the franchise (hooooopefully) ::)

PS We all need this freaking trailer to be out next month, seriusly if they going to publish it in May with Deadpool 2 I will be super frustrated with 20 Century Fox  ;D

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"Petr .. I was severely disappointed by predators.. a lot of it was to do with the super predators for me ,  I felt their visual design was terrible . I'm not against the idea of bad bloods if done right , but for me predators failed on that front miserably."
Oh Evil I can agree with you on that part, Predators did disapoin me a lot too, but not so much in designwise(Even though Stan's team was the best when it comes to predator), but how weak and little actions they had, it was 3 of them and they didn't even have memorable kills. Predators in first and second movies felt very dangerous, taking group of people by themselves in a closed space(especially the second one). Meanwhile 3 "Super" predators had 2/3 action scenes with predators in it, and they were really underwhelming.    :-

Yeah I agree , the script leak has damaged the hype . But who's to blame there ? The fans for reading it ? Or fox for allowing it to be leaked in the first place ? I'd say the latter , and I have no sympathy for them either .  Combined with the constant push backs it's no surprise people are nervous and frustrated. A sneak peak trailer would of been a great way of saying sorry to the fans from fox , instead we get nothing and they just take our love for granted .

Azamultic that's really homing in my point , predators are supposed to be near invincible in front of humans .  It took a full film  and many deaths just to kill one , it took even more in the second .. then suddenly avp and predators come out and they die so easily . With very little screen time . Predators would of redeemed itself for me , if the classic killed the black super predator at the end . But the fact super did him in , is to suggest super was superior to the classic and I sort of hated that happened .  It killed the movie for me .

EVIL the PREDATOR - I was expecting that you will write something about my points on the destroyed planets, lore and so on, but its alright. Now I understand you. . my brother has the same opinion, and do you know what I say him about it? I say, "do you really think that there ever can be better design than the first one" NO, never! If you made something unique and almost perfect for the first time, you cant do it again, or make it better next time. Classic Pred design will always be the best one, just becuse the Stan Winston himself. Bad Preds from Predators was more like a monsters, their look was kinda nasty and ugly at the same time, but I understand it. . as like it was because they inject DNA from other creatures, can you imagine the mess inside their own DNA? No surprise that they changed too much as you cant even see them as another Preds. And we see the face of only of them. Each one meant to be different, but about their face. . I dont know. Hold your breath, because we still dont see the tall armored Predator from Shane's film. And I think there will be huge versus fight against him and the rest of them, perhaps 3 classic Preds against this 1 and some other animal creatures? And I think that his design will be more like Berserker and his face. . or even worst. Just think about it, "naturally armored Predator" without anything that classic Preds have on their body, man. . I just dont know, I hope that he will be atleast practical and not all CGI.

Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2018, 07:09:48 PM
I'm not debating that predators cannot have personality, I'm merely saying there is culture to them , and it shouldn't be messed with.  What's the point in calling them hunters if we are now choosing to go against that formula ?

What about Bad Bloods? And if a predator is tasked with getting his tech back from human hands, does that make him any less a hunter? Who makes the predator tech? Another species since predators can only hunt?

QuoteMy problem is that I feel like the studios are hellbent on making them "human" and that to me is stupid .

We shall see how it comes off on screen but some already use tools, speak English, hunt, collect trophies, punch, laugh, tend to wounds with med kits, use knives, cover their bits, understand hierarchy, understand complex situations...what else do they do that humans do? I'm not saying I want them to drink beer on a couch and hold long conversations with humans or do the electric slide or anything. Just saying they are intelligent beings and closer to human behavior than anything on earth.

QuoteJust because we as a human spiecies have different cultures and morals , doesn't mean an alien race would be the same .

True but it doesn't mean they wouldn't either, right? Especially given that morals can be situational. Who is to say whether or not every Predator would let Leona go? Or shoot a child? How can it be so absolute and in line with every other predator?

QuoteMaybe they have got over the problems that humanity face ?

Maybe but also maybe not.

QuoteMaybe that's why they go hunting elsewhere in the first place ? At the end of p2 they clearly valued their slain brother , because they picked him up and moved him . If I was going to do something "fresh" for the franchise , I wouldn't mess about with what Stan established . I would introduce a female predator to the audience . That to me , is truly fresh .

Too many "maybes" to say all that has been established, I think.

 "do you really think that there ever can be better design than the first one"
Petr for me second predator design is the best, Stan and his team themselves said that they put much more work into the second costume. And I personally love it for it's originality, the first predator looked very cool and original, it had kind of high-teck-old school technology design, where the second one was totally out of this world, mixture of alien ancient armor and high technology stuff, man I still didn't see this agressive tribal design to this day. Also loved their Maya like spaceship and the whole squad of hunters with different designs  ;D

Yeah that's why I didn't like it , some concepts were cool just poorly executed .  I agree that you can't realistically beat the first predators design , but in all honesty out all the predator films , P2 is the best film for me  and still kept with the traditions of the first . I mean I think it's fair to say predator from the first film , was part of the lost tribe . And that brings me to my final point .. a true sequel to 1&2 should of explored the lost tribe further .. the way they all shown up at the end and the flintlock scene suggests they were coming to earth for hundreds of years and could live for a very long time .. it also keeps a consistent story line with in the films .

EVIL the PREDATOR - About the fight between classic and berserker, you know for sure why was classic defeated. First thing is, he was weak. . we dont know how long he was inprisoned here, how long he dont eat anything or even if he has some serious wounds already, man. . he was in really bad position. But the second thing is that he was mainly defeated because he still until the last second keep his honor, he dont even use his Plasma, and he could judging by the scene where he is showing Royce the Earth, I mean. . he has energy, and even his Plasma was functional at that moment. It was huge unfair fight, and I was also hardly dissapointed that he killed the classic. . It will let you hate these new Preds forever. But think about it from the other side, how much honor our classic Pred has! He dont use his Plasma, and he basically fight for Royce, just because they have "deal". My heart just love this amount of honor.

Hollywood Your reverse psychology fails on all fronts , you are arguing apples and oranges there . And I really don't get your point at what your getting at . It really feels sometimes pal you just like to argue with me without contributing anything meaningful .

Just because we as a human spiecies have different cultures and morals , doesn't mean an alien race would be the same .

True but it doesn't mean they wouldn't either, right? Especially given that morals can be situational. Who is to say whether or not every Predator would let Leona go? Or shoot a child? How can it be so absolute and in line with every other predator?

Maybe they have got over the problems that humanity face ?
Maybe but also maybe not.

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Maybe that's why they go hunting elsewhere in the first place ? At the end of p2 they clearly valued their slain brother , because they picked him up and moved him . If I was going to do something "fresh" for the franchise , I wouldn't mess about with what Stan established .

Too many "maybes" to say all that has been established, I think.

Seriously dude grow up man .

azamultic - Im glad that there are more of us who love P2, the Pred from P2 is my second favourite design. I have all the NECA's figures. . but there are more differences between them, other than just different skin tone and armor. Pred from P2 have also teeths on the lower side of his mandibles, same as the Elder in P2, but the P1 Pred have only the teeth inside his mandibles, not outside. Pay attention on that! Also, in P2 we can see for the first time the Predator tongue, really. . Its not a joke, seriously. I dont know if this is really a common fact. But, you can see his tongue at the moment when he is healing himself inside the Bathroom.

Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2018, 06:21:36 PM
And for the record stealth hunter , you never answered my question , what differences did p1s predator and P2s predator have ? It was mostly cosmetic changes . Personality and culture wise wise they were exactly the same . They are supposed to have an honor system . Their culture is semi based on Japanese culture . People often over look this , in order to do something "fresh" . As for the super predators not being superior, why did the classic go out the way he did then? And lastly bless his soul , do you honestly believe the man who created our hunter Stan winston would of been happy seeing his creature treated like that ? I highly doubt it . In fact I think he would look at what the predator franchise has become , and think "my god this is a mess , what have they done to my baby!"

Honestly there was difference in "personality between P1 and P2. City Hunter was more "reckless" in his behavior, more taunting towards Harrigan than Jungle Hunter was towards everyone in the first movie. City Hunter was less stealthy too.

Regarding the classic pred in predators, yes he went out on his knees, but we must take into account that he was wounded, probably starving too. Having taken this into account, he gave sort of a decent fight for me. Okay, just decent, not great, but hey, that's already something.

Petr I have the elder clan leader from Neca , iv repainted him and he looks absolutely awesome , the detail I put into him is impressive , and he really is one of a kind , I spent many years painting air fix models , so I'm a pretty good model painter , he looks totally different to when I first bought him , my girlfriend is forever picking him up to look at him , how ever I didn't like the tentacles so I don't display him with them attached . I hope Neca release more like him as he's the biggest size wide predator they have made so far . And very unique looking .

Bigdaddyjohn .. they are very subtle minor differences though , even Stan said the broad concept is the same . And to be honest I think P1s predator was way more taunting. Are you forgetting the laughs , and  "over here's "  the flashing of the eyes etc ? They both did that . So again they are not that different really . One thing I would say that's different is p2s predator definitely like Mele weapons way more than p1s . But the fundamental mentality and personality of both aliens was largely the same . P2s costume and armour obviously was different , but again that doesn't change much in terms of how both characters act and behave, does it ?  as for 2010s predators I get that he's weak , but I still think it would of ended better if classic triumphs over super. even if it would of been a bit cliched . And to be honest it just looked stupid seeing him tied up like that for most of the film , only for him to be slain at the end .

EVIL the PREDATOR - Well, now Im so proud for you! And now I realise how big fan you are. I have almost all Preds from the Lost Tribe Clan, Im from Czech Republic, Europe. We have a huge problem in our nation to get these figures, not only that they are in our prize very expensive, but they all are very, very rare. . some of my pieces was the last pieces avilable in the whole Europe. Can you imagine that? Im glad that I meet another collector and also a huge Predator fan! Predator is my most favourite being from all the creatures in movies, I grow up on him since I was a child, at the times when we has only VHS video. You cant imagine how big fear I have about this new movie, Im really worry about it, if it will be bad. . part of my life will propably die. And judging by the script. . I just only hope that the whole leaked script is just a one bad joke, I really cant believe it if its truly real. Man, I dont want to believe in it.

Petr I'm so jealous bro 😒 😂.. I only have my clan leader now , I'd love to own the whole of the lost tribe. It's my favourite moment in all of the predator films . I used to have elder from the lost tribe years ago , but I gave him away as a present . I have my clan next to the dog alien from alien 3 on a diarama . Iv put that much detail on both of them that they don't even look like toys anymore . They look more like Expensive statues 👌 And yeah I guess we will both have to accept that new film is what it is . Let's just hope that Shane pull this one off , I also fell in love with predator when I was a little boy bro , same with alien . I remember watching alien when I was like 6-7 and being terrified to go to the toilet at night because of it . It really was scary as F@ck when I was that age . 😂

EVIL the PREDATOR - Do you see the leaked photos with Preds on human APC? You see that for sure. I examined that photos on PC and I end up with this idea : Do you ever see a first Hellboy movie? If, yes. . you can remember that Hellboy helphs the humans, he was a huge public secret, but he was friendly. Man, judging by the photos I think that our classic Predators in the Shane's movie will have the same role as Hellboy. . if you look closely, you see that both Predators on APC have a Blue-Purple like skin tone, but important is that their armor is 100% human-made, hell. . they dont have the panels on their arms, you know the CPU with detonator that Preds always has, they dont have it. Instead of that they have only the one with wrist-blade, the second hand as same as both their legs is covered with some sort of partial clothes. . all around them, all you see is human materials on them. I think that they are f****** friendly with us, helping humans in some kind of secret James Bond style or something. Personally, this is basically my biggest problem with this movie. Predator(s) somehow captured by humans and the army stuff doing an experiments on them. . maybe I can understand this. But weaponized human, friendly Predators helping humans with their Earth military operations? NO, please anyone tell me that Im just have a bad dream or something, I cant stand this. And of course they are using human weapons, like someone here said "why not?", Jesus. Can you imagine a Predator throwing a frag grenade? Or Predators shooting from mounted machine gun? And its even worst, can you imagine where or how they sleeping? I dont have words how frustrated I am, just because of this. . and there are plenty of more absurd things in it.

Petr when I first saw that image with them in the APC I thought it was just a leaked picture of the actors goothing about , then I read the script and realised this wasn't a joke but is part of the film , that's when I realised this film is in big trouble, and going against the established themes  . I mean c,mon already ! Predators in human camo clothes , its just utterly ridiculous. And people can say yeah but " why not " but look we could have a predator eating McDonald's couldn't we ? it doesn't mean we want to see that does it ? I don't want hero predators, I don't want DNA enhanced predators either . my expectations are really low on this one . But who knows as a stand alone film , it might be awesome . But as a predator film I fear it's going to kill the franchise for a very long time . And then people like Hollywood who seem to think these plots are justified is going have his tail between his legs rather quickly .

EVIL the PREDATOR - I never read that leaked script, but I got basically huge amount of (crazy yet true) info about it from others. Its unbelievable, I dont understand what the hell is happening with this f****** world? Is this even possible? This is not funny. Iv even heard that reshoots was ordered by Fox in order to fix some humor scenes in it, and I also heard that Shane doesnt want to change anything in it, so it seems FOX is maybe trying to help it, but they cant change the whole crazy script. Shane just made some rewrites for the first movie and Fox is giving him a keys to the entire franchise because of that. I dont think Shane is bad, I just think that Sci-Fi is not his cup of tea, and the script only convince me about it. Ehm, and what about Fred Dekker? Well, he wrote the script for ugly Robocop 3, and thats the worst Robocop from all of the Robocop movies right behind the last (black) Robocop that we got previously.

Why the hell Fox gave green light if the script was garbage from the very beginning?
After all these years of waiting for another proper Predator movie now we will get another garbage.
Just F* Great!

It would be better that Fox was at the beginning give Fred Dekker's script to Sci-Fi Channel.  LOL

btw
Predators was complete garbage.
&
Unfortunately, old school of filming is dead.

Thats my mother f**king birthday!

I forget where I saw it but someone said something about a female Predator....

I think that would be good for expansive purposes, but in my opinion, most cinema goers view the Predator as an Alien Hunter, not really associated with a sex.

I see how it's masculine build could lead many to believe it's male though...

P.S. is it ever declared what sex the Predator is, like in a comic, I know I've heard fan theories but no sure if it's been declared

It's assumed they are male, but they might have giant squid tenticals for genetics. A female human takes on much of a book but they generally didn't want to mate with her. Comics (yes) there were females and generally looked like they were there purely for mating purposes. I'm not sure if it was important at all (the role of females in their universe) so there could be a possibility of female preds (yatja kind)

Quote from: DerelictShip on Feb 15, 2018, 01:10:02 PM
I forget where I saw it but someone said something about a female Predator....

I think that would be good for expansive purposes, but in my opinion, most cinema goers view the Predator as an Alien Hunter, not really associated with a sex.

I see how it's masculine build could lead many to believe it's male though...

P.S. is it ever declared what sex the Predator is, like in a comic, I know I've heard fan theories but no sure if it's been declared

Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2018, 09:17:27 PM
Hollywood Your reverse psychology fails on all fronts , you are arguing apples and oranges there . And I really don't get your point at what your getting at . It really feels sometimes pal you just like to argue with me without contributing anything meaningful .

I don't think you know what reverse psychology is. And nothing I said was arguing apples and oranges. Starting to think you're just a troll pretending to be ignorant.

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Yeah you definitely don't understand what "apple's and oranges" is. I have the properly formatted quotes below and made valid questions/statements bold that I think you missed:

Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2018, 07:09:48 PM
I'm not debating that predators cannot have personality, I'm merely saying there is culture to them , and it shouldn't be messed with.  What's the point in calling them hunters if we are now choosing to go against that formula ?

What about Bad Bloods? And if a predator is tasked with getting his tech back from human hands, does that make him any less a hunter? Who makes the predator tech? Another species since predators can only hunt?

QuoteMy problem is that I feel like the studios are hellbent on making them "human" and that to me is stupid .

We shall see how it comes off on screen but some already use tools, speak English, hunt, collect trophies, punch, laugh, tend to wounds with med kits, use knives, cover their bits, understand hierarchy, understand complex situations...what else do they do that humans do? I'm not saying I want them to drink beer on a couch and hold long conversations with humans or do the electric slide or anything. Just saying they are intelligent beings and closer to human behavior than anything on earth.

QuoteJust because we as a human spiecies have different cultures and morals , doesn't mean an alien race would be the same .

True but it doesn't mean they wouldn't either, right? Especially given that morals can be situational. Who is to say whether or not every Predator would let Leona go? Or shoot a child? How can it be so absolute and in line with every other predator?

QuoteMaybe they have got over the problems that humanity face ?

Maybe but also maybe not.

QuoteMaybe that's why they go hunting elsewhere in the first place ? At the end of p2 they clearly valued their slain brother , because they picked him up and moved him . If I was going to do something "fresh" for the franchise , I wouldn't mess about with what Stan established . I would introduce a female predator to the audience . That to me , is truly fresh .

Too many "maybes" to say all that has been established, I think.

Hollywood the only troll here is you pal , dismantling what iv said by saying , maybe not again and again without any logic is arguing Apple and oranges mate .
Here's a quote so people can see who's trolling who ?

Quote me.
Just because we as a human spiecies have different cultures and morals , doesn't mean an alien race would be the same .
Quote you
True but it doesn't mean they wouldn't either, right? Especially given that morals can be situational. Who is to say whether or not every Predator would let Leona go? Or shoot a child? How can it be so absolute and in line with every other predator?

Quote me
Maybe they have got over the problems that humanity face ?
Quote you
Maybe but also maybe not.

Quote me
Maybe that's why they go hunting elsewhere in the first place ? At the end of p2 they clearly valued their slain brother , because they picked him up and moved him . If I was going to do something "fresh" for the franchise , I wouldn't mess about with what Stan established . I would introduce a female predator to the audience . That to me , is truly fresh .

Quote you
Too many "maybes" to say all that has been established, I think



So Hollywood there's the evidence your just being salty with me constantly.. where did any of those replies of yours have anything meaningful ?
Hollywood the only troll I can see is you .
Iv helped kept the the comments section active by my posts , just look down people are now talking about a female predator , because I brought it up .
I'm an ideas man , doesn't mean they are always going to work bro , there's no need to be constantly condescending.
And since your hellbent on destroying my idea of what predator is , and seem to know it all , tell me what would you do so differently ?

Petr yep man I am happy that some people like Predator 2 too  ;)  It's my personal favourite movie out of this series to be honest, For me it's hugly underrated and getting to much hate or more like disinterest. The atmosphere in the second one was soo good, music(Alan Silvestry did amazing job again), environment. I loved that they used LA as a location. Mike Harrigan is my favourite character from this franchise. I do accept the fact that Stephen Hopkins isn't as good as McTiernan but I still love this movie. And the desing of the lost tribe and City Hunter is so amazing. Stan Winston's team outdid themselves. ;)

Also Hollywood one last thing , I was going through some of the old posts from last year and beyond and when I went into the comments section , suprise suprise you are arguing with people . I don't think iv once seen a comment where your supportive of other people's ideas who don't abide by your little bubble of what predator is.  yet while you criticise others , it's funny how silent you are when it comes to your own creativity and ideas . Answering questions with questions is a cop out .
I wouldn't mind if you just disagreed with me that's cool 😎 I disagree all the time with other members , do we fall out though ? No because we know how to be constructive and have reason even when we disagree .

It's the way you go about it that grates on me .
And it sometimes feels no matter what I say you will pick holes and make a problem out of it .

You're upset at me for asking valid questions and making valid statements that you're choosing to ignore or incorrectly classifying them as attacks, apples and oranges, reverse psychology and/or nit picks.

It's not arguing just because you don't like my questions and stance.

Hollywood your doing it again , you can't even answer a simple question . I don't want questions answering questions , politicians do that .  I want answers . Saying maybe , but maybe not to every thing I say , without elaborating why isn't valid it isn't even reasonable. What is your counter point exactly???? That's why it's apples and oranges . You ignore the parts I'm right on and just focus and highlight the parts you think I'm wrong on

And for the record it's not just me you have done this with , as iv said there are ancient posts where you are doing it to other people who have a different take on predator than you do .
But when I read what your saying a great deal of it is just cherry picking .

What annoys me the most is the fact you don't actually contribute any ideas or creativity to the table , other than trying to dismantle other people's ideas , and that's why your a troll .



You are not right because being a fan is subjective, I don't claim to be right , I'm merely voicing countless other people's opinions as well as my own . I'm also floating ideas around as bait to see who bites and can contribute ideas , do you honestly believe 20th century fox don't come on this site and look at the fan bases opinions once in while ?

If you know it all with predator the way you seem to think you do , answer my question , it's very simple what would you differently ?

I don't think the suits in hollywood care if we like it or not. The entertainment industry is nought but a microcosm of its own inflated ego. The swinging dicks are probably sat around having drinks and laughing at one another depending on if their fronted project has made a corporate killing (i.e. a profit). If it doesn't,the person whose project it is has to down 10 shots in a row or some shit.

They don't give a toss - it's just a numbers and reputation game to them.

They may not give a toss about us specifically but a numbers and reputation game still means a good movie to get positive word of mouth and more profit.

Someone here write previously something like "P1 should stay as the movie alone without any future continuations" - well, this idea basically create a huge mystery about our Preds, because judging only by the one stand alone movie. . all we can say will be, that a group of soldiers was attacked by some extraterrestial alien creature, more advanced than us, a hunter that collect skulls, thats all. . the first movie really cant tell us more information about them as a species, hell (just in theory) judging by the first movie, we cant even think that this creature have its own race or civilization, I mean. . he could be a lone wolf, the only thing that speak against it is the fact that our Pred has been basically transported to Earth by some Spaceship taxi (his ship just drop him and leave our solar system) and of course the second thing is the fact that his weapons must be build by multiple creatures like him. So. . like someone here asking who created the Predator weapons if they can >>only<< hunt. Well, this is the point of why I basically writing this. . are we really interested in this, this way? Do we really want to know how exactly Predators build their own weapons and stuff? Because I have fear that if we really want to know this and other closer things about them, it can once and for all totally destroy any mystery about them! Do we really want to know how they reproduce themselves? Do we really want to see their sex? Their houses, roads, toilets or bathrooms? I think that on all of this we can simply say "NO" we dont want to know these things (or atleast I dont want it). And why? Because I have fear that we will made them just only more like us humans. We cant create an Alien race in the movie without taking inspiration from our own civilization. Maybe that some things should rather be left alone. I dont say that Im against every next Predator movie that can be done, Im just saying that me personally, I dont want to know too much about them. . just because I have a serious, hard feel that someone who will try to do this doesnt have balls big enough to handle it right. And this exactly I feel from the Shane Black upcoming Predator, I will rather see another film like P2 was. . something like that. The P2 show us much more things about them, yet still without showing us their society or something. I think that next Predator movie should be like the first two was. Of course, we could even see a continuation based on group of Preds from the end of P2, on a different place. . maybe in a different time. But something like Predator planet or their advanced society? NO, I dont ever want to see this, I dont have faith in it, I dont believe that it can be done right, without damaging the Predator franchise even more, just my opinion, dont kill me because of that.

QuoteSo. . like someone here asking who created the Predator weapons if they can >>only<< hunt. Well, this is the point of why I basically writing this. . are we really interested in this, this way? Do we really want to know how exactly Predators build their own weapons and stuff?

The point isn't that we need a movie showing how they build their technology. The point is that logically, they as a species can have motives and habits that branch out beyond just hunting. That's why the film we are getting isn't a standard hunt.

I'm open to something new as long as it's executed well. We got the hunt in Predators and it was very underwhelming.

I agree, greygoose. It's all about execution which is why I'm anticipating some actual footage.

Hollywood, to add to your point, I agree there's nothing contradictory in the idea that a Predator sets out to do something other than hunting, especially if they have a special interest or pressing matter to attend to.

Petr well said bro , it's exactly what I'm getting at , Hollywood refuses to accept that the predator species is supposed to be mysterious. ALL  ALIENS ARE MYSTERIOUS , BECAUSE THEY ARE ALIENS !!!  You can still be creative and bring new life to the franchise without going against what has been established by the first two movies . I mentioned a female predator because it is fresh , we haven't seen one , does that mean I want to see predators getting jiggy with it ? Hell no ! I'd just enjoy exploring that possibility of a female clan member in a future film. To be honest I just think Hollywood is a Shane black fan boy , and can't accept that he has messed up with this film . There is some seriously strange and stupid choices being made with this film . Of course there can be bad bloods, but that doesn't mean you have to sh*t on what has come before . And I'm sorry but this film is doing exactly that.  And still he answered my question !

Hollywood answer my question , rather than constantly thinking your right , and we are wrong , what would you differently ? And if your so called point is true , what's the point in even calling it predator ? Why do you think there has never been an E.T sequel ? They are a species right ? Surely there can be bad e.ts ? there was even a script for a second film that contained those elements , in the end Spielberg closed the project down because he realised it would rob the first of its magic of being mysterious. You are missing mine and petrs point ☝️. We don't want to know to much about them , we don't want them to be easily killed ,  we don't want human DNA spliced predators either , and we don't want friendly predators in human clothing .

predator 2 did a fine job of bringing new elements to the franchise without damaging the mysterious elements . In fact if anything it made predator even more mysterious . And it should stay that way , otherwise you are essentially making them human and they are not human , and I do not agree that just because we as humans are politically and culturally messed up creatures with different motives means the predators are .

Hollywood - You totally dont understand my comment, you could imagine their factory or something (if you want) but that doesnt mean you need to see it, as you said. That doesnt mean the next film will need to do anything that is too risky just like that. . and for example - changing Predators motive of why they collect skulls and stuff like that is not only risky, but it change already established ideas, very important Lore ideas. I think that even comics dont try to change that. And this is going against everything that not only fans, but also regular people already liked about them. Tell me its not risky? Tell me that its not dangerous? And if you want. . tell me that you dont have fear from this new Predator movie, but after that. . You and I, we cant talk with each other, because it seems that people like you can absorb everything, and then you can say. . "ah, its not that bad" even if it for me would mean total end of Predator and everything that I love about him. If you want to do or try new things, you need to be careful. . do you think that Shane Black is careful? How can he be careful, when he pissed out almost everyone just with his super brave script! You know why some of the people hated Covenant? Its because Ridley Scott mainly changed the idea of Alien creation, now its David who made them. . this is perfect example of just a one change that basically destroy everything that people love about Aliens. And its the same case now for Predators. . you will try to change too much? People will kill you, and me too. Why all the people are bitching about the Shane Black script? Its just because he changed way too much things.

EVIL, your posts are showing up late on the forum for some reason. And I'm not saying "maybe maybe not" to everything you say (which isn't apples and oranges, as you've stated). Try rereading my posts. My questions aren't "questions answering questions" - they're questions forcing you to understand that your logic isn't there.

For example:

Your direct quote: "Just because we as a human spiecies have different cultures and morals , doesn't mean an alien race would be the same . Maybe they have got over the problems that humanity face "

My direct quote: "True but it doesn't mean they wouldn't either, right? Especially given that morals can be situational. Who is to say whether or not every Predator would let Leona go? Or shoot a child? How can it be so absolute and in line with every other predator?"

This isn't me answering a question with a question, that's me trying to get you to think critically.

You say "Maybe they have got over the problems that humanity face" in reference to their shared ethics and morals and I say "maybe but also maybe not" because there is 0 evidence to suggest this and it makes no sociological sense based on the ethical questions I brought up regarding Leona and whether a Predator would shoot a child. They as a species cannot be universally agreeable on moral because that's just laws of a society in which beings have different experiences, are placed in different situations, react differently to said situations, operate in a heirarchy, and have natural self interest. Also the fact that predators fight each other in Predators supports this claim.

I find it troubling that I have to simplify this so much for you.


Petr:

QuoteHollywood - You totally dont understand my comment, you could imagine their factory or something (if you want) but that doesnt mean you need to see it, as you said.

QuoteThe point isn't that we need a movie showing how they build their technology

What exactly is getting lost in translation, Petr? I never said I wanted to see a factory.

QuoteWe don't want to know to much about them , we don't want them to be easily killed ,  we don't want human DNA spliced predators either , and we don't want friendly predators in human clothing .

He isn't saying what you should want, he's been saying that none of that contradicts what has been established in previous films.

well john campea says he heard whispers, that the release was moved because of how the movie *IT* succeeded in that month

Quote from: dallevalle on Feb 15, 2018, 10:39:16 PM
well john campea says he heard whispers, that the release was moved because of how the movie *IT* succeeded in that month

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaHlmQ5Hzts

I listened to his podcast this morning! :laugh: I really like John Campea, he has good judgment and insider knowledge.

Hollywood , there is zero evidence that they do have different motives either .. most of us don't consider avp or  2010s predators to be official lore , even Shane black himself is ignoring it .

So I'll do what you do shall I ? Maybe but maybe not .

And again for the 5th time already ! What would you do differently for the franchise as a whole without damaging what's come before with p1 and p2 ? The fact iv asked you 5 times now tells me you are avoiding the question . That is to suggest that you don't have a creative clue either ,so stop putting people down who are discussing ideas , if you have nothing creative to bring to the table .

Because you really are starting to sound like an elitist , where your way is the only way . Saying aliens are basically conditioned to the same cultural problems and motives we as a civilisation face is just arrogant and ignorant , how do you know that's the case ? We have never met an alien have we ? To assume that's the case is folly . The fact they can space travel suggests they are far more advanced than us anyway . I'm pretty sure they would be over our petty problems if they had got to that stage ..

I don't think they would get to that point by warring with each other somehow . They would get their advanced technology by cooperation not in fighting .

Stealth_hunter .... of course that's going against the established themes of the first two . In both films they resorted to it once they knew the tables were turned .

It took two whole movies and countless deaths just to kill 2 , all of a sudden we can capture not one but three "friendly" predators ? BS . The predators I have always known would of self destructed long before they got captured .

Predators in human clothes ? You telling me that's a good fit are you ?

Human spliced DNA predators ? C,mon man it's complete garbage !!!

Maybe that they are helping humans just because they are weaker than their new enemy, the new naturally armored Predator, but why? It will be still nonsense for me, because we all already see AVP 2 where everything in the end fix the nuclear explosion. So why Predators want to help humans is beyond me. . we have atomic bombs and stuff like that, do we really need any other help from other Preds to fight yet another Preds? If there is some sort of global attack (huge invasion) from Predators. . than, we still have an army, and there are millions of us. Predators should hunt us (silently) like they hunt other creatures on other planets. . and now they have fear that our planet will be decimated by the Bad Blood Preds or something? Just because as the script say. . their planet become cooler and our planet became warmer, its still monumental bullshit for me. . and nothing can justify this. Hell, it sounds like our planet is the only warm planet in the galaxy. And Preds are not hunters anymore, they are warriors now? I say this a million times, but I need to say it now once again. . I just cant believe my eyes and ears how silly the whole cript ideas are, even my girlfriend now dont want to go on cinema with me on that, and that say something, because she never know anything about Predator movies until we meet each other, I show her everything. . teach her everything about them and so on, and now she refuse to watch this, because she love them too. . same as I. This news just killing both of us.

"Tell me its not risky? Tell me that its not dangerous? And if you want. . tell me that you dont have fear from this new Predator movie"
Petr, I just want t say on the side note that first Predator was pretty risky movie, it had a B movie script, it was second movie for John McTiernan( I think it was his first big production movie). The studio and producers risked a lot with the movie too, and it end up being the classic. Yeh some people will argue that involvement of Arnold already was a sign of quality project at that time, but I don't think success of Predator 1987 hold only on Arnolds shoulders. I dont feel safe with the Shane Black's ideas, but again  the main thing is execution. It is a chanse of them making a good Predator movie, not a high chance but still a chance.

Petr also I did already text it before, but I will repeat, they (producers and directors) can fool people and keep changing locations, characters, and design of predator, but it will become very repetetive and tiresome fast. They do need to explore the predator race in the movies (not taking books, comics, and AVP movies). In the second movie they introduced new location, new characters, new predator designs and tactics, but also they developed they code of honore more, a little bit extended their lore, by showing the ship and culture in the end. We didn't know that they can respect people and let them live( out of respect, not because they unarmed). Yeh Predator in the first movie was fighting with Arnold in a fist fight, but it felt more like he was toying with him, not much respecting.   
 
  In "Predators" 2010 they change location kind of, change characters kind of, and changed designs of Predators and tactics too( why I say kind of, because they still keep it like the original movie). But they  introduced that some predator can abduct people, they have some hunter planet where they hunt different dangerous spieces, they have different types of predators, and they don't like eachother. I didn't like this movie but it did introduced new ideas to the universe. And it could of worked if executed rightly.
   
    So now we have new changes, a lot of changes in new Shane's movie, it's questionable but still possible to make a good Predator movie. What I am trying to say we do need changes and exploration of this race now, because all this changes before were little hints (Predator 2, Predators). Now if we want this Predator race to be popular, and grow as a franchise we do need to learn more about them, and inovate new ideas, it's just how entertaiment industry works.
    We cant just keep making same movie with same monster(just different make up and colors) in different locations and feel like it's the "Right" way for the franchise to grow. Aliens did amazing job in learning about the queen, Terminator 2 made Arnold a good terminator which went totally different way from the original. So changes and exploration of the universe is necessary.
   Now another question will it be done right way(of course "right" is different for everybody)?  ;D

azamultic - You write that very well. I dont have anything against the new things that can be done, I just have serious feel that Shane just trying too much to come with a huge amount of news in his movie. And his ideas about why Preds collecting skulls is just a one, huge insult for me. . and there are a lot of insults there in th script. In this case (Preds collecting skulls because of DNA) is it still that kind of new thing that we really needed? Or is it something that rewrites the past and already established and almost perfectly executed ideas? I mention my fear that I have against new ideas, because I just dont believe that someone can handle it in right direction. You said that first Predator was a risky movie, it was. . they almost in the end come with different yet final Predator design, without it. . it wouldnt be as good as it is, and of course that Arnold has a big part in it. But we have a different problem now, now its about Predator culture that is meant to be explained by the one man, the Shane himself. I think that EVIL the PREDATOR understand this like no one else here, his example about the E.T. is just perfect example. Read his previous comment where he exactly mentioned this. Another example are the actors. The cast in this movie is "meh" I just like only that black dude behind mounted machine gun, dont know his name. The rest are looking like pussy really, can you said that about the cast from first two films? Shane could even incorporate Arnold's Dutch role into the scenario from beginning. . and not asking him if he have an interest to say just a couple of words in the end. Instead we got a child, okey. I never said that Predator films cant evolve somehow, or that they need to keep formula of the first two forever. I made example with P2, as I said. . the Predator films (by me) should continue like P2 continued, I dont agree that we need inside look to their homeworld society or something, we can see Predator kids, their economy. . etc. but is it something that you are so desperate? You dont have fear that it can ruin the whole Predator concept? We know them like hunters, why change that now in this harsch way? And who the f*** have that courage for it? Oh yeah, our experienced Shane that made a tons and tons of Sci-Fi movies with help from Fred Dekker that ruined Robocop 3 a long time ago. Sorry bro, but Im an artist, I draw Aliens, Predators etc. and maybe its too brave that I say. . that I can perhaps create a better Predator story than both Shane and Fred together, without damaging the work of previous directors. - Child in the movie, weak cast, no serious muscular guys, friendly Preds, DNA mix cliche, changed lore ideas. . NO, I will never accept this, never. . I want to see it, of course I still want to see it, but I dont believe Shane's work. . not just because he is good in comedy or because he was in first movie. . what did I say? He was in the first movie? Funny, it seems he learned nothing and he dont even remember that experience.

Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 15, 2018, 10:57:43 PM
It took two whole movies and countless deaths just to kill 2 , all of a sudden we can capture not one but three "friendly" predators ?

Technically, only one is captured.

Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 15, 2018, 09:48:53 PM
You can still be creative and bring new life to the franchise without going against what has been established by the first two movies .

IMO the fact that they're searching for DNA doesn't prevent the preds to still hunt for sport too. In fact, it reminds me some ancient tribes traditions, where they would eat organs of their fallen enemies to "absorb" their strength. Preds hunting worthy preys to take their DNA AND for the thrill of the hunt they get from it is fine with me.

Yeah the e.t example was a good one actually . They are a species right ?  surely they can't be all good like Elliot's e.t ? We'll yeah sure there could be bad ones but would it work ? The answer is no , Steven Spielberg found this out when he wrote a script for a sequel , he realised the value of mystery . And that it would rob the original of its magic . The point is you cant break the formula without going against the established themes . It feels like there was way to many apologists to Shane black and can't accept why a lot of us are upset .

  Petr
   I understand your point, but I think you taking the character too serious. I mean I love predator (I am my self a 3D  artist and drew him and alien whole my life, predators and terminators design was part of my inspiration to become an artist). But in the end of the day it's just a character, from a pop corn movie(one of the best pop corn movies). The truth is, Predator never was high art, it didn't have a very established culture, history or anything, this race didn't exist, it's not "Godfather" didn't have a book. It's no "Citizen Kane".
  What I am trying to say that you puting too much effort and care into something where it wasn't meant to be. John Mctiernan got an assignment and he did it good. Sten Winston got this project because of Arnold and he did his job perfectly. Brothers Thomas wrote a script, and they did a good job, but predator was totally different in their script. So in the end of the day Predator is a baby of all this people, but it's not something that meant to be HIGH ART. I am sure they did put they heart into it, but it's still was just a job.
  And after some years movie and the character created a cult following and became a classis. A lot of fans debating now and saying what Predator should be and should not. When in reality the creators them selves don't know. And in the way it's a beauty of art(movie). Artist create something and the creation becomes the entity it self. But fans do need to understand that it's just the nature of movie industry, especially pop corn movie. It's going to change, it's going to have different genres, mood, atmospheres, ideas. And our hope that the franchise will peak again and we will enjoy new movies. Of course we live in real world and it's high chanse that for you and Evil and  me this franchise wouldn't be as good as it used to. But in the end of the day we still have first movies to watch and enjoy.
P.S. Predator is pop corn movie(made with heart) and it doesn't have much rules(I mean it's not like Shane Black making godfather movie and making Vito Carleone a undercover cop), It's a guilty plesure (at least for me).  And in the second movie they didn't have bad asses) Only Mike Harrigan) Danny, Jerry, Leona weren't much of a bad asses  ;) (But i do think Jerry was pretty tough.

Azamultic - I think that I know what you are trying to say here. You have right. . but only partialy. I mean, of course its all about money, their jobs behind it at so on. . for someone it could be just a bussines, even as you said when someone put his own heart to it. But we dont watch these movies for money, right? If we are fans, we should care about the whole content, we have every rights for it. I mean, I dont want to define Predator rules by myself, I dont want to change any core elements by myself. . you know why? Because I have huge respect for everything what this character (Predator) really is, and by doing something new or original. . I could damage it, even if my own story never will be part of the canon, but I dont need to feel this stress, Im not the director, and even if I draw a comics about Predator, it will be only for a couple of my friends. I think that directors should have also worried about it in the same way as I, and not that they somehow out of nothing create an entire background for Predators as a species. I rather dont want to see their culture, just because it can simply be bad, and if it will be bad. . it will be bad forever, and they will never change that. You cant change something that has been done, you can only forget, and thats painful. You said that Im taking the Predator as a character too seriously? Of course. . man, and Im proud for it. Dont tell me this is a problem. Say what you want, but Stan Winston's work is a masterpiece, and Predator not as a movie, but as a character with his own design for me really is a piece of Art, as same as the Alien or Terminator.

Yeah a lot of people are taking credit away where it's due . Predator wasn't just luck , and stan put his soul into creating something completely original .
This is why I'm at the cross roads I'm at , I just honestly believe he would hate what this new film is doing to his creation. And yeah here's another thing cast , cast has everything to do we success
, if fox was so confident in the script , why hasn't any major A list actor touched it ? brad Pitt , Leonardo di caprio , Tom hardy , James Franco etc?

EVIL the PREDATOR - It seems like that, really. And funny fact is, that when you look almost everywhere, on Youtube or other similar movie forums, I think its safe to say that maybe 75% of people if not more dont like the idea of the script as same as the other leaked informations about the movie. Yes there are haters also, but all of them? No, and this should mean something. Who knows why they doing additional filming, and what exactly for.

EVIL the PREDATOR - At one point, there was talking about Benicio Del Toro as a main lead for the film. But that not happened, I was so sad when they said he won't be in this. I like him, I was thinking he have the body, face and voice for it. And they instead as a second attempt take Boyd Holdbrook. . and I was like "who is it?" He made only TV series called Cartel and he was also in Logan recently, thats a pretty >>long<< career. . hell, even Adrien Broody (he is also not good enough) has more movies behind him. They previously aimed for more muscular type of actor, thats why they offer the role to even some Wrestling fighter or something, as I remember, if I have right, I dont know now.

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 16, 2018, 01:57:02 PM
In fact, it reminds me some ancient tribes traditions, where they would eat organs of their fallen enemies to "absorb" their strength.

That's a good observation; I never thought of it! Pretty interesting ritual.

Biomechanoid - Aha, you have problem with reading. Okey, stick with that. I can read anything, even longer. . Im reading books, you're not? No problem with it. But if its killing you, ignore that. Simple. Maybe one day you realise that some things need to be said in a longer way.

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In fact, it reminds me some ancient tribes traditions, where they would eat organs of their fallen enemies to "absorb" their strength.

That's a good observation; I never thought of it! Pretty interesting ritual.

And also similar to District 9, the Nigerian paraplegic warlord wanted to eat Wikus' alien arm to absorb its power.

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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 16, 2018, 01:57:02 PM
In fact, it reminds me some ancient tribes traditions, where they would eat organs of their fallen enemies to "absorb" their strength.

That's a good observation; I never thought of it! Pretty interesting ritual.

And also similar to District 9, the Nigerian paraplegic warlord wanted to eat Wikus' alien arm to absorb its power.

Yes exactly ! That f**ker gave me the creeps  :laugh:

One thing is to eat part of organs in order to have strenght (still, its not work like that, just a myth). In Apocalypto they will give you a balls of pig. . and it would be a huge joke. The other thing is to directly inject DNA inside to your body, in this way its on the deeper cellular level, and that can do something. But its two entirely different things.

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In fact, it reminds me some ancient tribes traditions, where they would eat organs of their fallen enemies to "absorb" their strength.

That's a good observation; I never thought of it! Pretty interesting ritual.

And also similar to District 9, the Nigerian paraplegic warlord wanted to eat Wikus' alien arm to absorb its power.

Yes exactly ! That f**ker gave me the creeps  :laugh:

I love that primitive nature mixed with futuristic science fiction elements! Probably one of the most interesting things about predators in my opinion. The juxtaposition of a highly advanced being moving like an ancient hunter with a spear in hand and ritualizing the kill.

Quote from: Petr Švancara on Feb 16, 2018, 04:38:11 PM
One thing is to eat part of organs in order to have strenght (still, its not work like that, just a myth). In Apocalypto they will give you a balls of pig. . and it would be a huge joke. The other thing is to directly inject DNA inside to your body, in this way its on the deeper cellular level, and that can do something. But its two entirely different things.

I agree it's two different things, i just think that it can evoke something close symbolically  ;)

Quote from: EVIL the PREDATOR on Feb 16, 2018, 04:55:36 PM
This is why we get bad predator films , its people like you lot who will accept any old crap just because it's predator, and fox love that and they are making fools out of us  . You guys just lap it up like the sheeple you are .

Honestly i understand your concerns, but it's too early to jump to conclusions like that.

Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Feb 16, 2018, 05:26:54 PM
I love that primitive nature mixed with futuristic science fiction elements!

Much like the space western Serenity. Though they are advanced enough to make use of high tech weapons and spacecraft, the Reavers also cling onto the primal and barbaric practice of cannibalism.

The fact that Arnold was available to reprise his role as Dutch and the studio didn't think twice, points to my same reaction when I read the news that Robert Englung couldn't reprise his role as Krueger because the studio doesn't know how to impress a theatre audience, because of that reason im not showing up to watch this film.

Biomechaniod, I might have to check Serenity out.

You brought up cannibals and it made me think about how it's kind of funny predators are meat eaters but never eat their kill. Or do they? 🤔

I haven't read their comics or books so maybe that's touched on.

Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 16, 2018, 06:44:12 PM
Biomechaniod, I might have to check Serenity out.

Serenity is certainly worth a look. I never saw the series, but the film stroked my interest. Chiwetel Ejiofor is the scene stealer of that film, imo. Really not much of a better example of the space western genre than Serenity.

 "If we are fans, we should care about the whole content, we have every rights for it. I mean, I dont want to define Predator rules by myself, I dont want to change any core elements by myself. . you know why? Because I have huge respect for everything what this character (Predator) really is, and by doing something new or original. . I could damage it, even if my own story never will be part of the canon"

  Petr I get your point, what I am trying to say that it's actually no cannon in blockbaster industry. We could argue about canon if it was much more serious work, with more weight behind it. But we talking about predator. Who you think deciding what is Predator canon and background? John McTiernan who directed first movie? Brothers Jim and John Thomas who wrote first two movies? Sten Winsten and their team? Because all of them put something into this character. Predator doesn't have one creator, or two creaters(broter Thomas don't count because Predator looked different in their script if I am not wrokng). It's a manny manny people working at the same time putting their heart into it, and after the end of the project they going their separate ways.Sometimes they meet, sometimes they dont.
     For a Predator 2 they didn't have same director(Stephen Hopkins was directing second movie), so we already lost one of the creators of original movie. Do we count it as a canon then, or we count it as a "fanfiction"(it's clearly not a fanfiction but just for the case of argument). In the second movie we had same screenwriters, some same producers, and of course Stan Winston's team. So it's partially canon right? But what after that? We never ever had same team, we didn't have nor John McTiernan neather Stephen Hopkins. Stan Winston didn't work for predator ever again(though some guys from his team did work for AVPR). Some producers still were there and that's it. If we taking creators who developed the original movies, they are not involved with predator for the last 20 years. So it means the canon never going to be back. Because everytime it's a new screenwriter, new director, new make up team, new producer, it will be different(of course they can respect what original team did, but it's still never going to be true original or canon if you really talking about creators of original Predator). The DNA of the team who created original Predator will be mixed with DNA of new movies and it will be canon as long as studio says so. 20 century can say that all what was after first predator not a canon(and you know what, they have rights for it, so oficially and technically it will be true) but as long as they saing that everything in predator universe is canon, then guess what, it's canon ;D
     What I am trying to say is that talking about canon and what is true to original is very difficult in entertainment business, because people who making decisions are studio heads and producers. Directors don't have much weight in it, not even talkign about screenwriters or make up team  ;)  John McTiernan can say that he is blessing a movie, but it doesn't mean it's going to be the way he would direct it, so in this case we would never going to see original "CANON" continuation of the movie  :)
    Now about the fan and how serious they can take it, as a person who has emotions and feelings about something, you have all rights to feel howere you want. You can write religion, books about the predator, and feel like predator deserves it. Man I drew hundreds of drawings and comics of predator and aline. I am a huge FAN of predator. But here is the difference, feeling and love for something, doesn't make it true in reality. I mean I can say that predator is the best movie for me, is that the best movie for me? Yes. Is that the best movie perioud? Nope. If in reality predator didn't mean to be something special, did it became something special for us, yes, we love him, is it still something special and meaningful in the overall scale, nope. The reason why you and Evil upset because you have some sort of rules which Predator are, but in reality John McTiernan probably doing something alse and don't think about it, and Jim and John Thomas doing something alse too(it's just my speculations, but Thomas brothers did want to work for that project).  ;) don't be mad guys, just having a debate and conversation with you, while waiting for the trailer  ;D

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Sorry guys, didn't want to write so much  :(
Petr I wanted to show this for you, check this video(I love it, Stan Winston's team talking about working on the predator) and check at 46:00 minute Steve Wang (one of special effects artist) was talking about the mesh(net) on predator. It's exactly what I am talking about  ;)

azamultic - Actually, Im really glad for your long comment, I dont have any problem with it like someone else here. And dont be shy, of course we have conversation here, its good for people that can normally talk, the rest of the haters that are complaining about any longer comments should rather ignore this if they have such a big problem with it. But, to the point. . you have right when you said that its hard to tell what is and what isnt an official canon. But, we can still simply recognize what can be count as the official canon and what not. We can separate the AVP from Predator, as same as we can separate the Alien from it, each monster have its own canon, own universe. Yet they share it in AVP, but hey? We dont want to talk about AVP right now, okey? We can say that every Predator movie is canon, as same as every Alien movie is canon. . but what it made actually a canon is the respect between each continuation. P1 did something. . it basically established the basis, P2 did something but add a little bit of more into it without changing anything already established, and then Predators did also something, but it also (in my mind) didnt change anything important from previous movies, in fact with the Bad Blood Preds in it, it has its own rules about them. . but these rules doesnt f*** up anything about classic Preds or anything from the first two films. Yes, Predators add the new type of (Bad Blood) preds on the table, but we can separate them, thats the reason why we call them "Bad Blood" Preds, so this is a little bit of excuse. And now we have an upcoming fourth movie where it seems that most of the major things will be totally reinvented, and for the first time in the history it doesnt respect previous foundation. . isnt that weird enough? As I pointed out, the canon keep together only the respect between work of each other. So the respect is a main thing here, as I said before. And once again, you have right, Director can choose something, but the studio is propably higher than him, so the influence of studio is even bigger than we think. The whole creative art department however should listen the Director and his ideas, he should decide the aim of their work and they should do what he is asking. So, my dear friend. . we can at the end of the day say, that things that determine what is and what isnt canon is the Script itself that studio accept or decline, thats it. . the other thing is if the script respect the rest of the franchise or not. And if someone in the studio accept the kind of script that Shane have, well. . thats the problem in the first place.

If there's problems with guest comments why is the possibility still there?Its not even asking for an email contact or something to prove that person is the one who answer to others.For example Petr and Evil can be the same person or anyone can write in other guests names.

As for The Predator we still haven't seen any footage of it can't be said it's not working. There's serious options on possible new elements in addition to the mythology.I haven't read the script so I can't say it's ok or not but as fans imagine from the scriptment it could turn out very different on screen.I was never dissapointed in any Shane Back movie anyway.

Quote from: Dan on Feb 17, 2018, 02:00:51 AM
As for The Predator we still haven't seen any footage of it can't be said it's not working. There's serious options on possible new elements in addition to the mythology.I haven't read the script so I can't say it's ok or not but as fans imagine from the scriptment it could turn out very different on screen.I was never dissapointed in any Shane Back movie anyway.

Well said. I'm really curious what the tone if the first trailer will be like. I hope we get it in the next few weeks despite the release date push.

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Quote from: Dan on Feb 17, 2018, 02:00:51 AM
As for The Predator we still haven't seen any footage of it can't be said it's not working. There's serious options on possible new elements in addition to the mythology.I haven't read the script so I can't say it's ok or not but as fans imagine from the scriptment it could turn out very different on screen.I was never dissapointed in any Shane Back movie anyway.

Well said. I'm really curious what the tone if the first trailer will be like. I hope we get it in the next few weeks despite the release date push.

I bet the tone is ominous. Since 'The Predator' is coming out basically when 2017's IT was released, is it safe to say we will get a trailer at the very end of March/early April since IT had its first trailer drop on March 29th?

Red Sparrow seems soon and Deadpool seems far away so not sure the trailer will drop with those releases.

The only image I have seen, which I think it was posted somewhere here, is of a predator riding in an armored vehicle along with humans. That did not leave a good impression for me. But it appeared to be a non-shoot/behind the scene image, so I can't draw any conclusion from that. But come release time and I see a predator commandeering a human army tank, that would be quite disappointing. The recent news of reshoots don't concern me, that is pretty common.

I want an answer, why avpgalaxy constantly removing my and other comments here? There was about 200 comments in this article previous day. I can wtite here numerous times, nothing will stop me. You guys are really thinking that this will convince people to stop writing there? It will be better if there will be closed discussion already, if you really do not allow anyone to add anything here.

So it looks like three pages worth of posting was removed as they contributed nothing to the discussion. Both registered members and guest are to abide by the community rules - find them here: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=3.0. I'm sorry to all involved in that incident. People have been spoken to.

Let's move on and actually return to talking about Predator!

Corporal Hicks - I dont believe this statement, what did you said? Comments that do not contribute with anything to the discussion was removed. Thats a bad joke, right? In fact I still see there a tons of other similar comments that also dont add anything to the discussion, yet there are still here. . f****** interesting. Let me guess. . this comment will be also deleted right? All MY personal comments was about Predator in general. . all of them, if not directly about Shane's Predator. Why they was deleted is beyond me. But atleast it is clearly show us a true behaviour of this website and people behind it.

The posts removed was a silly and immature guest vs members fight that was completely uncalled for and as such have been removed. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop looking to pick a fight with the moderators. As per the rules which I linked to just 15 minutes ago, if you have an issue with any moderating decision please take it up in private.

Corporal Hicks - So when Im asking about why my comments was deleted, this means that Im fighting with moderators. Seriously? MY previous comments do not insult anyone, I was proper here. And when I was using sharper words (but, not against someone!) I was always using this symbols *** so, no. It must be about something else.

You were pointed to rules that tell you what to do when you have issues with moderating decisions but you didn't let it go. Even without using swearing, not following those rules certainly does look like you're trying to pick a fight. If you wish to continue the conversation despite that I've made it clear it why the posts were deleted, then please take it up privately.

So let's please get back to to talking about Predator.

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As I have previously stated, if you wish to continue the conversation please take it up in private. Contact details are on my profile and are also available on the website. This is the last I will say here on the matter and all attempts to continue to steer back off topic will continue to be deleted.

God i hope we got the trailer early in march, even though the release pushed back totally could give us a late march/early april trailer. There's cinemacon in late april so i guess we can be sure that we're getting something there anyway. But that's two more months... Come on life, please go faster !

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 17, 2018, 01:23:23 PM
God i hope we got the trailer early in march, even though the release pushed back totally could give us a late march/early april trailer. There's cinemacon in late april so i guess we can be sure that we're getting something there anyway. But that's two more months... Come on life, please go faster !

It's funny. My anticipation level has been dormant on The Predator.  But since reading of the delay, it woke up my impatience.

I'm starting to think we might see the trailer in mid-April. Fox released Kingsman 2 on September 22 in the US and that first trailer was released on April 24...

To be fair I think hicks has realised it wasn't just guests who were being insulting , iv noticed without names that certain member comments that kicked it all of in the first place , has been deleted. So thank you hicks for not taking sides . And sorry for my attitude to said member . Won't happen again.

Quote from: Hollywood on Feb 17, 2018, 03:25:44 PM
I'm starting to think we might see the trailer in mid-April. Fox released Kingsman 2 on September 22 in the US and that first trailer was released on April 24...

God, I hope so. I'm getting sick of waiting! Every time the goal post is moved. I'm like looking at my calendar shaking my head. I don't mind the reshoots and I get the rumors behind the logic for a September release. But, just give me SOMETHING already. With a teaser you can still get an idea of tone. Not as much as a full fledged trailer mind you. Still, it would give all of us something to go off of until a full trailer is released.

Back to predator and it's trailer , It's a strange one though , I mean deadpool 2 is from 20th century fox , it's not out till October , yet we had a sneak peak last year, and now we have a full blown trailer already  , I'm curious as to why fox is hesitant on releasing a sneak peak , what's the hold up ? I have an inclination that the negative response to the script and the leaked photos , has made them rework some of the film . I could be wrong but something clearly has changed behind the scenes

Perhaps, Petr Švancara, if you made a comment or response without resorting to insulting the community I'd let your posts go through and you be able to respond. How about less woe is me and more grown up? Thanks.  :)

Yeah hicks nipped this one in the bud pretty well I'd say , let's just leave it now , my bad by the way , deadpool 2 is out in June not October , I'm getting mixed up with the venom movie date  🤗

Evil deadpool 2 is coming out in May 18  ;)

Its out on June the 1st now bro .. still considering the amount of marketing that fox has put into deadpool 2 , I wonder why the predator hasn't received the same ?

Azamultic yeah you are right it's out in may , stupid google is saying the 1st of June , which is why I said that .. 

It's okay man, I thought that they changed release date ;D. PS just to disagree, I don't think Winston would have been too upset about new designs. It is a work and as an artist you can just separate your own design and another artists design. You need to watch the interview about how they were making the castume( just a friendly disagreement)  ;)

Glad to see Hicks realized it wasn't just members who were being insulting , iv noticed without names that certain guest comments who not only insulted just one member, he insulted a lot of members , has been deleted. So thank you hicks for not taking sides . And sorry for my attitude to said guest . Won't happen again.

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 17, 2018, 01:23:23 PM
God i hope we got the trailer early in march, even though the release pushed back totally could give us a late march/early april trailer. There's cinemacon in late april so i guess we can be sure that we're getting something there anyway.But that's two more months... Come on life, please go faster !

I'm not as familiar with Cinemacon compared to Comic Con. Do the movie trailers/sneak peeks/sizzle reels showcased there get officially released online or do fans rely on bootlegged leaks to see what they show those attending the convention? Hopefully we can get some of the cast answering questions on a panel too.

I'm not sure about in general but Alien: Covenant was featured at Cinemacon and the footage wasn't released online. That said, it's looking likely I'll have a staffer attending the show so we'll know if something is shown.  :)

Why are my comments being deleted hicks ? I'm not being insulting , im being respectful and I'm being truthful and I just apologised.. scroll down and see bios comment . Is that sarcasm needed ? 
Why are you not deleting his comment ?

That wasn't me but I imagine it's a case of "we've addressed this thoroughly. Let's move on please." I'd message you privately but I'm unable to do so. Enough has been said on the subject. So once again, I ask, let's move on please. Thanks  :)

That's is practically all I said though 🤔 Thanks hicks for clearing that up though bro .

I agree with the video earlier about the film being moved to hopefully emulate the box office numbers IT did. The Predator really has to work IMO because Fox or eventually Disney will not keep making these films if they don't appeal to a wider audience eventually.

If this time frame helps the franchise overall it's a good thing. A lacklustre box office performance could see standalone Predator movies derailed for a long time.

I still think this will be a surprise hit, personally.

Yeah it's a funny time for this film to come out really , on the one hand if it does well , Disney will be all over it , if it sinks , it could well be the end for the franchise .  IMO The September release I think has more to do with the reshoots more than anything though.

Let's all just hope no matter what your opinion is , that this film is at least a commercial success , even if it's not critically .

Because if it flops it's going to be a long time before we see anything again . Although Disney could just sell the rights on to someone like Netflix .

Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Feb 17, 2018, 08:31:10 PM
Because if it flops it's going to be a long time before we see anything again . Although Disney could just sell the rights on to someone like Netflix .

As others here desire, I too desire the feature film franchise to continue. But handing it off to Netflix as you suggest, wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. I don't know if it would have the same success as Netflix's Stranger Things, but I would bet it would do much better than Cloverfield Paradox.

Lol cloverfield paradox was such a let down . It's another example of a cash in film that had no sense of direction in its story telling , was nice to see the clover monster at the end though

I wasn't even aware it had come out , I thought it was going to be called " the god particle "

And yes I whole heartedly agree , the predator will be far more successful that cloverfield paradox.

Could you imagine Netflix making a predator t.v series ?

I would be fine with just a Netflix feature film. I think Netflix has produced some great feature films and series. And they are willing to throw some decent size budgets at their projects.

Oh and welcome to the forums, Evil, time for truce works for me.

Yeah we are both big fans , I'm up for a truce , sorry for acting the way I did , I was a bit of kn*b I reckon.. but bio how did I blow my cover dam your smart bro 😂

It's how you structure your posts.   ;)

My apologies for taking a poke at you. But now that you're a registered member, now I can throw you in ignore.







I'm kidding!  :laugh:

Haha 😂 it's cool man , people fall out , it's how we go forward that counts ..

I do feel bad though , I took it way to far 😔

Anyway back to the predator , I'm slowly coming around to the ideas this film will explore , I still think the script is questionable, but I do agree now , execution is where it's at , and as long as the predators look badass I'll be a happy man 🤗

I dont insult here anyone ever, I would be glad if anyone here will show me that kind of proof If I am really that wrong, my comments was about Predator and the franchise all the time, the only insult that I noticed is deleting long comments that take time to create, esspecialy when you're trying to answer on the same amount of info. from someone else. Thats not funny at all. Now, I see there are a lot of other comments that are still here, strange. . because all of my previous posts was recently deleted. First, Hicks tell me that I dont keep rules, and second, he said that my posts resulting into the insults. Now, everything that I post is after a while deleted. So, even if dont know what happen here, its all my fault or what? This is a false accuse. Im giving this post a one hour or less before it will be removed again.

I mean I was talking with my girl today ( she enjoys predator ) and she basically voiced similar opinions to other members on this site , that new ideas do need to be injected into this franchise if it's to survive . I guess I'm stuck in my ways when it comes to predator , maybe it's the nostalgia, I don't know.

I really enjoyed encounters of a third kind , and Shane black has gone on record to say he wants this film to provoke the same sort of reaction .. that to me is very promising indeed .

Petr I've gone through all the deleted posts. I've restored the single post you made directed at azamultic as that wasn't a part of the issue and was deleted by accident. All other posts you made that were deleted were involved in this silly fight and will stay deleted. Hopefully that has settled the issue for you.

Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Feb 17, 2018, 09:08:31 PM
Haha 😂 it's cool man , people fall out , it's how we go forward that counts ..

< < <  This message is hidden because the member is on your ignore list > > >

:laugh:

Joke aside, you certainly seem to have no shortage of passion for the franchise, I'll give you that. I learned a number of things from members here who are more serious Predator fans than I. You should check out the members Predator fan art, Gash, Metalblade, and others. Them boys got talent.

Yeah I truly do love predator , I think it boils down to being a kid , I had a pretty crap beginning , and predator was my way of escaping it .. so he's sort of family to me in a weird way , when the dark stuff used to happen , I'd imagine transforming into the beast and avenging some sweet justice on those responsible hahah . Daft I know , but I was only a kid with a huge imagination .

I'll deffo go and check them guys out right away bio 🤗

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Petr you should just forget it bro , it's all been done with , me and bio have made up , everyone is friends again . Let's just move on. It won't be hicks deleting your comments , it will be the other mods .

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Back to predator , I can't remember who said it now so my apologies , but the whole eating enemy organs to absorb their strength, to explain the DNA injections has really started to grow on me . When I think about the things I first thought I didn't like , I can see the potential now . Takes a lot to be adjusted to the new I guess .

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 17, 2018, 06:52:22 PM
I'm not sure about in general but Alien: Covenant was featured at Cinemacon and the footage wasn't released online. That said, it's looking likely I'll have a staffer attending the show so we'll know if something is shown.  :)

Man, the emotions are taking over ! Cool to see people come together, damn that's beautiful  ;) !

Talking about the theory saying that The Predator has been moved to september due to IT's success, do you think that it will affect the tone of the trailers ? I mean, IT was marketed as a very serious and dark movie, and The Predator is less dark IMO, so i wonder if they will go for the "dark" trailers approach...

BigDaddyJohn .. works for me bro ! I loved IT ! Pennywise was incredible can't wait for part 2 !

I think predator will be quite dark and serious in places but with black humour added in , I'm sure I read somewhere that it's going to go through different genres through the movie , Yano one minute it's a comical action film , one minute it's a horror film , the next a serious hard sci if film .

I suspect the reshoots have happened to tone down the comical side of it and make it more serious and hard hitting , after the test screenings indicated it wasn't for everyone in terms of tone.

So if predator builds of the back of ITs model of success , that can only be a good thing .

Can anyone clarify if a R rated film is a 15 or a 18 in the uk ?

Yeah man i quited liked IT too ! For The Predator reshoots I surely hope they removed

Spoiler

preds in pants  :laugh:

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Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Feb 18, 2018, 03:09:49 PM
Can anyone clarify if a R rated film is a 15 or a 18 in the uk ?

It's 18 in the UK, which is what a Predator film should be.

Yeah BigDaddyJohn I hope so to it's well erm....pants!  lol 😂

Morse thanks for clearing that up , and yes that is absolutely what a predator film should be 🤗

A R rating here is almost always a 15. It's very rare these days to see an 18. You'll obviously get it with the Saw movies. It doesn't really matter anyway as both Predator and Predator 2 have been reclassified as 15 now.

Darkness I thought that was so to, but didn't deadpool come out as a 18 here though ? Also is there a difference between a r rated film and a hard r ? Or am I just imagining that ?  😂

Deadpool was a 15 too. That was pretty tame from what I recall. I'd say Logan was gorier than that.

Hard R is just a saying that some filmmakers use to say it's going to be fairly gory. You really would have to go out of your way to reach an 18 here and it just doesn't happen as movies are always made for America first. I suppose it's the equivalent of making a NC17 movie which is damn impossible as US cinemas refuse to show them. Hence why it never happens.

Ahh gotcha darkness , pretty crazy how the uk is super liberal with violent movies , yet violent video games like GTA etc always get an 18 stamp . Even alien isolation was an 18 yet alien:covenant was a 15.. pretty bonkers really !

I think they're generally rated by different boards. BBFC do films, PEGI does games. Different criteria I would assume.

Interactivity is taken into account as well.

I would like to add that i think it's risky for FOX to bet on IT's success for The Predator, because it's a very different movie style overall...

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 19, 2018, 03:03:55 PM
I would like to add that i think it's risky for FOX to bet on IT's success for The Predator, because it's a very different movie style overall...

Are you sure they're all that different?

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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 19, 2018, 03:03:55 PM
I would like to add that i think it's risky for FOX to bet on IT's success for The Predator, because it's a very different movie style overall...

Are you sure they're all that different?

http://www.scifimoviezone.com/ITPREDATOR.png

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Quote from: Biomechanoid on Feb 19, 2018, 04:12:52 PM

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 19, 2018, 03:03:55 PM
I would like to add that i think it's risky for FOX to bet on IT's success for The Predator, because it's a very different movie style overall...

Are you sure they're all that different?

http://www.scifimoviezone.com/ITPREDATOR.png

you need want some candy line in that image XDDDD

Quote from: dallevalle on Feb 19, 2018, 07:13:18 PM

you need want some candy line in that image XDDDD

Image updated per your request.

Quote from: Biomechanoid on Feb 19, 2018, 09:38:44 PM

Quote from: dallevalle on Feb 19, 2018, 07:13:18 PM

you need want some candy line in that image XDDDD

Image updated per your request.

HAHAHA perfect thank you for that :D !

One more and then I swear I'm done with this theme.....

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scifimoviezone.com%2FITPREDATOR4.png&hash=5afefac64c1ed68ebadbd2c5b8122686cf34a170)

Delays are always a bummer, but I think they're doing the right thing here. There's something in the film they feel the need to change or add. The fact that they're taking the time to make adjustments is re-assuring. It makes me feel that they really are taking this film seriously and are intent on putting forward the best film possible.

"Absolutely, yeah. A lot of this is handing off the baton to a new generation of characters,"said Cameron last September. "We're starting a search for an 18-something young woman to essentially be the new centerpiece of these stories. And then a number of other characters around her and characters from the future. We still fold time in the story in intriguing ways. But we have Arnold's character and Linda's character to anchor it. Somewhere across there, and I won't say where, the baton gets passed, so to speak."

James Cameron get's it.  Can he help Shane Black scripts?

I understand what you mean but it's not the same type of story, and even for this new terminator, who knows if it'll work...

It's not even something Cameron came up with, neither is it inventive or original in any way. The did that with Star Wars, Blade Runner and even the last Terminator, it's Hollywood by the numbers.

I'm generally surprised that now in every second action movie there is a badass lady in the lead role and even a predator will now receive from them. Trends ruin the original idea.

Hoping for the best

...expecting the worst.

Quote from: black on Feb 22, 2018, 06:27:26 PM
I'm generally surprised that now in every second action movie there is a badass lady in the lead role and even a predator will now receive from them. Trends ruin the original idea.

Tough lady is a theme in nearly every Predator film. Nothing new really.

Quote from: Master on Feb 23, 2018, 08:44:09 PM

Quote from: black on Feb 22, 2018, 06:27:26 PM
I'm generally surprised that now in every second action movie there is a badass lady in the lead role and even a predator will now receive from them. Trends ruin the original idea.

Tough lady is a theme in nearly every Predator film. Nothing new really.

Yes but we must admit that Casey is portrayed as a little more badass than other females in predator movies, except maybe for Isabelle in predators.

Quote from: happypred on Feb 23, 2018, 06:01:33 PM
Hoping for the best

...expecting the worst.

This, i do not expect it to be good at all, so any minimal quality on it will be a pleasant surprise.

Well, i just learned that the release date in france is set to the 17 october... I'm really mad right now, bored as f**k of this cat & mouse stuff fox is playing with this movie... I mean come on fox ! Push it back to 2019 while you're at it !

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 25, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Well, i just learned that the release date in france is set to the 17 october... I'm really mad right now, bored as f**k of this cat & mouse stuff fox is playing with this movie... I mean come on fox ! Push it back to 2019 while you're at it !

Any news on the UK release date?

Quote from: greygoose on Feb 25, 2018, 04:02:26 PM

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 25, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Well, i just learned that the release date in france is set to the 17 october... I'm really mad right now, bored as f**k of this cat & mouse stuff fox is playing with this movie... I mean come on fox ! Push it back to 2019 while you're at it !

Any news on the UK release date?

IMDB lists it as same day as the US (it lists France as 17th October)

Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 25, 2018, 04:26:10 PM

Quote from: greygoose on Feb 25, 2018, 04:02:26 PM

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 25, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Well, i just learned that the release date in france is set to the 17 october... I'm really mad right now, bored as f**k of this cat & mouse stuff fox is playing with this movie... I mean come on fox ! Push it back to 2019 while you're at it !

Any news on the UK release date?

IMDB lists it as same day as the US (it lists France as 17th October)

Yeah last served ! As usual...

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 25, 2018, 04:38:29 PM

Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 25, 2018, 04:26:10 PM

Quote from: greygoose on Feb 25, 2018, 04:02:26 PM

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 25, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Well, i just learned that the release date in france is set to the 17 october... I'm really mad right now, bored as f**k of this cat & mouse stuff fox is playing with this movie... I mean come on fox ! Push it back to 2019 while you're at it !

Any news on the UK release date?

IMDB lists it as same day as the US (it lists France as 17th October)

Yeah last served ! As usual...

At least you'll know whether it's worth it to go see it by the time it releases there

Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 25, 2018, 04:26:10 PM

Quote from: greygoose on Feb 25, 2018, 04:02:26 PM

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 25, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Well, i just learned that the release date in france is set to the 17 october... I'm really mad right now, bored as f**k of this cat & mouse stuff fox is playing with this movie... I mean come on fox ! Push it back to 2019 while you're at it !

Any news on the UK release date?

IMDB lists it as same day as the US (it lists France as 17th October)

That's good.

Honestly, the more i think of it, the more i want to take a eurostar ticket to london and watch it there as soon as it comes out. I'm serious. F**k french programming !

I have looked on release date in my country. It is August 2nd :). I hope it will not change.

Quote from: David on Mar 03, 2018, 04:51:06 PM
I have looked on release date in my country. It is August 2nd :). I hope it will not change.

It's impossible...

But if you are just playing around, then my bad  ;)

It is true. There are release dates for Czech Republic, Slovakia and USA. Slovakia has it on August 2nd  :).

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Czech Republic:  13.09.2018 CinemArt
Slovakia:              02.08.2018 CinemArt SK
USA:              14.09.2018 20th Century Fox

Quote from: David on Mar 03, 2018, 05:44:02 PM
It is true. There are release dates for Czech Republic, Slovakia and USA. Slovakia has it on August 2nd  :).

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Czech Republic:  13.09.2018 CinemArt
Slovakia:              02.08.2018 CinemArt SK
USA:              14.09.2018 20th Century Fox

How in the hell ??  :laugh:

I don't understand the "logic" behind programming movies.

PS : That means i will have to travel to Slovakia to watch it there first  ;)

You are welcome ;) But as I said: I hope that it will not change.

Quote from: David on Mar 05, 2018, 03:59:04 PM
You are welcome ;) But as I said: I hope that it will not change.

Yeah more seriously, i think it probably hasn't been updated.

Quote from: David on Mar 03, 2018, 05:44:02 PM
It is true. There are release dates for Czech Republic, Slovakia and USA. Slovakia has it on August 2nd  :).

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Czech Republic:  13.09.2018 CinemArt
Slovakia:              02.08.2018 CinemArt SK
USA:              14.09.2018 20th Century Fox

It has been updated. Slovakia has it on 13.09.2018  :)

Still way before France... I don't get it  ???

If someone has an explanation on how countries with lower population and non-english speaking people can have the movie earlier than other "bigger" countries, i'm ready to hear it  :laugh:

Here is the update

Czech Republic:    13.09.2018 CinemArt
Slovakia:                    13.09.2018 CinemArt SK
USA:                    14.09.2018 20th Century Fox

Delay.
Marketing reasons. 2 months after films out, Physical media: December Blu Ray( 3D Steelbook in my case).
Another delayed movie by 6 months is The Meg ( Jason Statham).

It is being released this year and we don't even have a trailer yet? RED FLAG

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2018, 01:55:31 PM
Still way before France... I don't get it  ???

If someone has an explanation on how countries with lower population and non-english speaking people can have the movie earlier than other "bigger" countries, i'm ready to hear it  :laugh:

Payback time for the 90s where a movie like Jurassic would come out in june and we ended up getting it in september...

Quote from: Xan21 on Mar 30, 2018, 08:57:16 AM

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2018, 01:55:31 PM
Still way before France... I don't get it  ???

If someone has an explanation on how countries with lower population and non-english speaking people can have the movie earlier than other "bigger" countries, i'm ready to hear it  :laugh:

Payback time for the 90s where a movie like Jurassic would come out in june and we ended up getting it in september...

It hurts badly  :laugh:

Trailer ?

Cinemacon footage isn't going to be until the 26th. The Fox Indonesian Twitter page suggests an internet release for the trailer in May. No specific date.