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QuoteREEL Time spoke to Ridley Scott recently about his coming drama Exodus: Gods and Kings, which opens here in two weeks. More of that in The Weekend Australian's Review section this Saturday. The British director, who turns 77 in two weeks, isn't slowing down. He has already begun production on his next film, The Martian, starring Jessica Chastain and Kate Mara, and confirmed he plans the Prometheus sequel, starring Michael Fassbender, at the end of 2015. And his Blade Runner sequel is ready to move. "That's written (and) it's really good." But his Prometheus sequel has him very excited because, he says, "it's fresh" and "getting away from gods and dragons and shit. If I see one more dragon I'm going to shoot myself. Stop the dragons." Rather than a dragon, Scott describes his original Alien as "the definitive dragon and he's a motherf . . ker. The alien's real which is why it's probably one of the scariest monsters in film history," Scott says. "So with Prometheus 2 what I'm trying to do is reintroduce a fresher form of alien in the third act." The Prometheus "baby" alien was, he concedes, "awfully close to the alien" that tormented Sigourney Weaver. His next one promises to be very different.
Stop the Dragons!
Nice.
Don't suppose anyone subscribes to the Australian? I can't check the source because it's apparently a subscriber only feature and no-one else has posted about this.
Why not make a completely different universe in the first place then?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/film/angus-sampson-to-host-australian-cinema-and-television-awards/story-e6frg8pf-1227127407562 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/film/angus-sampson-to-host-australian-cinema-and-television-awards/story-e6frg8pf-1227127407562)
Here's a none blocked link. The article also mentions Scott is aiming for end of 2015 to start production.
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Exciting news. So, in the sequel will be not present the Deacon, but rather a new monster? I hope it's true, because if Ridley Scott wants a new real mythology (as he said in his earlier statements), he should avoid links with the xenomorph. But then we have the question of @bobby brown, which makes sense. Anyway I can't wait for Prometheus 2 and also I would like to learn more about Engineers too. :)
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Here's a none blocked link. The article also mentions Scott is aiming for end of 2015 to start production.
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It's doing that to me again. If you Google a piece of the quote and go in via Google it doesn't block you.
Just in case the website locks down again, here's the section on the Prometheus sequel in full:
QuoteREEL Time spoke to Ridley Scott recently about his coming drama Exodus: Gods and Kings, which opens here in two weeks. More of that in The Weekend Australian's Review section this Saturday. The British director, who turns 77 in two weeks, isn't slowing down. He has already begun production on his next film, The Martian, starring Jessica Chastain and Kate Mara, and confirmed he plans the Prometheus sequel, starring Michael Fassbender, at the end of 2015. And his Blade Runner sequel is ready to move. "That's written (and) it's really good." But his Prometheus sequel has him very excited because, he says, "it's fresh" and "getting away from gods and dragons and shit. If I see one more dragon I'm going to shoot myself. Stop the dragons." Rather than a dragon, Scott describes his original Alien as "the definitive dragon and he's a motherf . . ker. The alien's real which is why it's probably one of the scariest monsters in film history," Scott says. "So with Prometheus 2 what I'm trying to do is reintroduce a fresher form of alien in the third act." The Prometheus "baby" alien was, he concedes, "awfully close to the alien" that tormented Sigourney Weaver. His next one promises to be very different.
Surprised he would give away the third act of the movie like that. Kind of a big spoiler.
Quote from: Darkness on Nov 19, 2014, 05:43:24 PM
Surprised he would give away the third act of the movie like that. Kind of a big spoiler.
Was just about to post that.
Thanks for letting us know when we'll see the "new" Alien Ridley.
And he's tired of "Gods" as well? So no more Engineers then either? Fine by me. Hopefully someone else will do a real Space Jockey story one day.
He sounds like he was a bit drunk... a bit.
Neat.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Nov 19, 2014, 07:04:45 PM
He sounds like he was a bit drunk... a bit.
Too much JW Blacklabel methinks.
More likely it's the religious overtones he was talking about, i.e. Shaw being a faith spouting God obsessed type. At least I hope so.
'Prometheus' was just that bad that he's trying to distance himself as much as possible from it, while continuing the franchise.
Does anyone else get the feeling that Ridley Scott is saying screw you to Alien fans? In the first film, there were only small references to Alien in a story that was wildly out of place in the Alien universe. Now, not only is Ridley taking away the Deacon and xenomorph-like designs, but he's also taking away the Engineer, aka Space Jockey. I am STRONGLY suspecting that the "tie-in" to Alien was nothing more than a cheap marketing scam to 2x the audience numbers.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 19, 2014, 08:12:18 PM
Does anyone else get the feeling that Ridley Scott is saying screw you to Alien fans?
He isnt.
He's just not pandering to them with "fan-service".
Quote from: Blacklabel on Nov 19, 2014, 08:59:32 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 19, 2014, 08:12:18 PM
Does anyone else get the feeling that Ridley Scott is saying screw you to Alien fans?
He isnt.
He's just not pandering to them with "fan-service".
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Quote from: Xenoscream on Nov 19, 2014, 07:12:38 PM
More likely it's the religious overtones he was talking about, i.e. Shaw being a faith spouting God obsessed type. At least I hope so.
I hope so too. Shaw was an awful character.
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Quote from: Xenoscream on Nov 19, 2014, 07:12:38 PM
More likely it's the religious overtones he was talking about, i.e. Shaw being a faith spouting God obsessed type. At least I hope so.
So believing in God now means "faith spouting God obsessed type".
:laugh:
QuoteDoes anyone else get the feeling that Ridley Scott is saying screw you to Alien fans?
No, just you. And other "fans" who werent paying attention.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 19, 2014, 08:12:18 PM
Does anyone else get the feeling that Ridley Scott is saying screw you to Alien fans? In the first film, there were only small references to Alien in a story that was wildly out of place in the Alien universe. Now, not only is Ridley taking away the Deacon and xenomorph-like designs, but he's also taking away the Engineer, aka Space Jockey. I am STRONGLY suspecting that the "tie-in" to Alien was nothing more than a cheap marketing scam to 2x the audience numbers.
He said, in another interview, that the Engineers were a good start. So no, I don't think that the Engineers are totally out of the sequel. Especially considering that Shaw and David are traveling to the home planet of these Space Jockeys. Ridley Scott is only revealing a small spoiler about one of the monsters, just that.
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2014, 09:27:36 PM
QuoteDoes anyone else get the feeling that Ridley Scott is saying screw you to Alien fans?
No, just you. And other "fans" who werent paying attention.
Oh, please educate me how I'm "[not] paying attention".
The whole theme of 'We were promised an Alien film and there's no Aliens in it!! He tricked us!!!'
We weren't promised an Alien film. And Ridley said as much on numerous occassions in the months before hand.
This is sounding like good news. As much as I love the xenomorph, and much as I want to know what was going on with the Deacon, I'm glad they're moving away from those aspects, or leaving them to be addressed in the comics. The idea that the Deacon or the xenomorphs were the Engineers' God or some such is just too limiting, and at this point, a bit unoriginal. I want to see a grander kind of space horror.
Not to mention the fact that this leaves the possibility for future proper Alien films wide open.
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2014, 10:08:48 PM
The whole theme of 'We were promised an Alien film and there's no Aliens in it!! He tricked us!!!'
We weren't promised an Alien film. And Ridley said as much on numerous occassions in the months before hand.
Lol, is that really how you think I feel? I couldn't care less if there were no Aliens in it; I'm talking deeper connections than the appearance of just one character, connections that you clearly don't understand.
:laugh:
Of course.
That's why you said "I am STRONGLY suspecting that the "tie-in" to Alien was nothing more than a cheap marketing scam to 2x the audience numbers."
It's not a "marketing scam". If it was a marketing scam, they would've plastered PREQUEL TO ALIEN all over the marketing. Ridley wanted to do a story about the Space Jockey so he did. You're just still pissed that the AvP flicks got nuked by them changing Weyland.
Whoa, slow down there, many of your presumptions about me are based on common stereotypes, you know that? I get the feeling that whenever I explain why I don't like Prometheus, you just tune yourself out.
I'm can only go by what you type. Best way to avoid stereotyping is not to reinforce it.
You are not posting anything based on what I have typed.
So if we are getting away from the original Alien then why would he introduce the deacon at the end of the first movie? Im all for a new alien but he can at least tie up a few loose ends and then move on from there. I still have no idea what the deacon is, is it a ancestor to the alien, or the version of an alien that would come from an engineer if a facehugger got on one? I just want to know that, and what the black goo has to do with the alien, if these are answered in some way then Ill be happy and im sure others will be too.
Sorry Queen7, but the Dark Horse comics make it pretty clear that the movie won't be returning to LV-223 from Prometheus, we are never seeing the Deacon again except in EU. Damon Lindelof also said that future sequels will be moving away from this sort of thing.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 19, 2014, 11:30:03 PM
Sorry Queen7, but the Dark Horse comics make it pretty clear that the movie won't be returning to LV-223 from Prometheus, we are never seeing the Deacon again except in EU. Damon Lindelof also said that future sequels will be moving away from this sort of thing.
I know that we wont be seeing it again, but I hate the fact that its introduced along with the black goo which are both blatanlty realted to the Alien and we get no reasons to why, at least none that I have found.
The Deacon was most likely nothing more than an Easter Egg to entice Alien fans into Prometheus's story; this would explain why the Ridley Scott and his cohorts are so easily dispensing a creature that has dramatic story potential.
Do you think they will pursue any story with the black goo?
I think the closest we will get is the Dark Horse series, which is actually pretty good. I won't say anything firmly about the black goo yet since it is clearly a very important part of the first film, but any Deacon-related story lines are definitely dead in the film series.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 19, 2014, 10:59:26 PM
You are not posting anything based on what I have typed.
lol
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2014, 10:45:11 PM
:laugh:
Of course.
That's why you said "I am STRONGLY suspecting that the "tie-in" to Alien was nothing more than a cheap marketing scam to 2x the audience numbers."
It's not a "marketing scam". If it was a marketing scam, they would've plastered PREQUEL TO ALIEN all over the marketing. Ridley wanted to do a story about the Space Jockey so he did. You're just still pissed that the AvP flicks got nuked by them changing Weyland.
QuoteI know that we wont be seeing it again, but I hate the fact that its introduced along with the black goo which are both blatanlty realted to the Alien and we get no reasons to why, at least none that I have found.
How is the black goo "blatantly related to the Alien"?
Quotebut any Deacon-related story lines are definitely dead in the film series.
Why?
Its realted due to the fact that from what we saw in the movie, which is that when it comes into contact with a living thing it turns it into a creature that has xenomorph like qualities and ends up creating a alien creature that is very similar to the xenomorph.
Fifield and Charlie didn't seem terribly Alien related. Nor did Engineer Head. And Ridley posited that both Fifield and Charlie would've eventually ended up like Engineer Head - with all explody heads.
The Deacon itself came about via a more specific set of circumstances.
The only thing blatantly related is the fact that some Jockey's carry accelerant vases and some carry Alien eggs. Which doesn't relate at all.
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2014, 11:53:45 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 19, 2014, 10:59:26 PM
You are not posting anything based on what I have typed.
lol
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2014, 10:45:11 PM
:laugh:
Of course.
That's why you said "I am STRONGLY suspecting that the "tie-in" to Alien was nothing more than a cheap marketing scam to 2x the audience numbers."
It's not a "marketing scam". If it was a marketing scam, they would've plastered PREQUEL TO ALIEN all over the marketing. Ridley wanted to do a story about the Space Jockey so he did. You're just still pissed that the AvP flicks got nuked by them changing Weyland.
Yeah, and you took that WAY out of context and claimed that I said the only reason I didn't like Prometheus is that it doesn't have an Alien in it. Where in the AvPGalaxy did you get that idea?
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2014, 11:53:45 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 19, 2014, 10:59:26 PM
You are not posting anything based on what I have typed.
lol
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2014, 10:45:11 PM
Quotebut any Deacon-related story lines are definitely dead in the film series.
Why?
The writers of the Dark Horse comics series made sure with people involved in Prometheus 2 that their stories wouldn't conflict with the sequel; if the sequel does take place on LV-223 and involves the Deacon then the sequel will have to take VERY careful steps not to conflict with comics. Not to mention that both Ridley and Lindelof said that any sequel will venture further from Alien and will NOT feature the Alien's designs:
QuoteScott says. "So with Prometheus 2 what I'm trying to do is reintroduce a fresher form of alien in the third act." The Prometheus "baby" alien was, he concedes, "awfully close to the alien" that tormented Sigourney Weaver. His next one promises to be very different.
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Yeah, and you took that WAY out of context and claimed that I said the only reason I didn't like Prometheus is that it doesn't have an Alien in it.
Don't see how it's taken out of context. As far as I can tell you're suggesting the Ridley/ Fox is trying scam viewers by tempting them with an Alien that isn't there. Can't think what else you're referring to with "tie-in" if not the monster.
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The writers of the Dark Horse comics series made sure with people involved in Prometheus 2 that their stories wouldn't conflict with the sequel; if the sequel does take place on LV-223 and involves the Deacon then the sequel will have to take VERY careful steps not to conflict with comics.
Well the film isn't going to give a shit about the comics. But that aside, you're assuming there's only one Deacon and it's on LV-223. I wouldn't be surprised if a Deacon showed up in some form in the next film.
I guess Ridley Scott isn't a fan of Game of Thrones then. I hope he accidently catches it on TV then has some public fit bashing a television screaming no more dragons!!!!
I'd like to hang out with Ridley Scott. Some people say Garey Busey is crazy as a shithouse rat but I bet Ridley couldn't get you into some awkward moments. :D
lets all mob his twitter account with pictures of dragons and see what happens. On second thought no cause he will prob delay Prometheus 2 indefinitely but I still kind of want to see what happens.
I immediately wondered if he was referring to Game of Thrones too. Then I wondered if he was thinking about The Hobbit. ;D
Quote from: SM on Nov 20, 2014, 12:33:48 AM
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Yeah, and you took that WAY out of context and claimed that I said the only reason I didn't like Prometheus is that it doesn't have an Alien in it.
Don't see how it's taken out of context. As far as I can tell you're suggesting the Ridley/ Fox is trying scam viewers by tempting them with an Alien that isn't there. Can't think what else you're referring to with "tie-in" if not the monster.
Continuity is another factor, the level of technology onboard the Prometheus is nonexistent anywhere else in the Alien franchise; Ridley Scott could have followed the design of his own film and at least kept things lo-tech but apparently he doesn't like looking back on Alien (which every single Alien sequel actually bothered to do).
Also, if Wey-Yu discovered Engineers before the first Alien film then why haven't they utilized that knowledge by now? How have they all managed to keep the Engineer's existence a secret? I'm sure you'll find all sorts of fan explanations on how this was done by die-hard fans but ironically enough you won't find one of these fans willing to explain how the US government and Yutani Corp managed to do the exact same thing with the events of AVPR.
Put simply, Prometheus would have made a better story taking place
after Alien: Resurrection than before Alien.
Quote from: SM on Nov 20, 2014, 12:33:48 AM
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The writers of the Dark Horse comics series made sure with people involved in Prometheus 2 that their stories wouldn't conflict with the sequel; if the sequel does take place on LV-223 and involves the Deacon then the sequel will have to take VERY careful steps not to conflict with comics.
Well the film isn't going to give a shit about the comics. But that aside, you're assuming there's only one Deacon and it's on LV-223. I wouldn't be surprised if a Deacon showed up in some form in the next film.
Doing so would require Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof to look back on the Deacon and both made it pretty clear that the Deacon is dust behind them.
Quote from: SM on Nov 20, 2014, 12:17:57 AM
Fifield and Charlie didn't seem terribly Alien related. Nor did Engineer Head. And Ridley posited that both Fifield and Charlie would've eventually ended up like Engineer Head - with all explody heads.
The Deacon itself came about via a more specific set of circumstances.
The only thing blatantly related is the fact that some Jockey's carry accelerant vases and some carry Alien eggs. Which doesn't relate at all.
fiefiled origianlly was gonna look more alien and charlie didnt have enough time to change not to say that they would not explode later on. The hammerpedes came from just worms comming into contact with goo and became very alien like.
Quote from: SM on Nov 20, 2014, 12:44:30 AM
I immediately wondered if he was referring to Game of Thrones too. Then I wondered if he was thinking about The Hobbit. ;D
Next time Ridley sees Benedict Cumberbatch he is going to punch him in the balls and say "stay away you bloody dragon or so help me I'll kick your ass back to the Lonely Mountain"
QuoteContinuity is another factor, the level of technology onboard the Prometheus is nonexistent anywhere else in the Alien franchise; Ridley Scott could have followed the design of his own film and at least kept things lo-tech but apparently he doesn't like looking back on Alien (which every single Alien sequel actually bothered to do).
Battered old tug vs. Company flagship.
QuoteAlso, if Wey-Yu discovered Engineers before the first Alien film then why haven't they utilized that knowledge by now? How have they all managed to keep the Engineer's existence a secret?
Potential sequels aside, what existence? They found a head that they momentarily reanimated and a single living being - who was dead not long after waking up. Everyone on the mission was killed, bar Shaw and David whose whereabouts are currently unknown. Presumably there were no other living Engineers on the ship they left in. It's entirely likely that all the other Engineers on LV-223 were the bodies Millburn and Fifield found.
QuoteI'm sure you'll find all sorts of fan explanations on how this was done by die-hard fans but ironically enough you won't find one of these fans willing to explain how the US government and Yutani Corp managed to do the exact same thing with the events of AVPR.
It's not irony to not want to try and explain a shit movie.
QuoteDoing so would require Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof to look back on the Deacon and both made it pretty clear that the Deacon is dust behind them.
When did they make this clear? Lindelof isn't even involved in the next film.
Quotefiefiled origianlly was gonna look more alien and charlie didnt have enough time to change not to say that they would not explode later on.
I'm just going by what Ridley said on the blu-ray. Lots of stuff was constantly evolving throughout production obviously.
QuoteThe hammerpedes came from just worms comming into contact with goo and became very alien like.
How Alien-like? We don't know anything about those worms to begin with to make an accurate judgement.
QuoteBattered old tug vs. Company flagship.
Actually, lets compare 50+ year old Prometheus ship vs. up-to-date atmosphere processor. The schematic table the Aliens team were looking at in the film wasn't holographic. For a company whose #1 money-maker is "Building Better Worlds", one would think these stations would get all the appropriate materials they needed, especially if its' 50+ years old.
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It's not irony to not want to try and explain a shit movie.
It's hypocrisy if one turns one's head for one movie and not the other based solely on preference.
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When did they make this clear? Lindelof isn't even involved in the next film.
Lindelof said it in an interview earlier, regardless Ridley still doesn't want his new film to feature
any designs based on the original Alien so we're kissing the Deacon goodbye either way.
Did he say that on the commentary of the film?
They looked like a fuse of a facehugger and chestburster, and had acid for blood. Where did the worms even come from if they evolved on the planet wouldent they look a little different from earth worms?
No, I listened to the commentary and I would've remembered if Ridley said all people infected with the black goo would have their heads exploded.
I'll say this to the look of the different types of tech in alien films. I'm an electrician and I have done work in brand new up to date waste water plants and even power plants but all that stuff still looks "old" and "industrial" compared to say the new Apple store or compared to all the gadgets on a new car. I find look and feel of stuff doesn't account for how it functions actually. Technology that looks old is the tech that supplies infrastructure for society but the new future looking crap is only for play and to look fancy or cool.
I'm not trying to side with anyone but this is what I see in reality so just putting that out there.
That's a good point, I think SiL also brought up a similar point regarding nukes being controlled by floppy disk computers but I don't think these examples are comparable with Prometheus's tech. A lot of tech onboard the Prometheus would have paved the way to giant advances in the Aliens world, plus new planets are terraformed every year so reliance on old terraformers are impossible since it would be quite impractical to dismantle them after every terraforming operation to be transported to a different planet. It would be much more cost-efficient simply to build new terraformers on new planets and as I said before, terraforming is Wey-Yu's #1 money-maker so giving them the most up-to-date tech to speed up their job would be the better idea than giving them tech over 50 years old to work with.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 20, 2014, 01:08:04 AM
No, I listened to the commentary and I would've remembered if Ridley said all people infected with the black goo would have their heads exploded.
Was Neville Page (one of the designer), when he was trying to explain why they chose the zombie fifield over the mutant monster. He said that the same thing that happened to the Engineer's head was happening with fifield.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 20, 2014, 01:19:26 AM
That's a good point, I think SiL also brought up a similar point regarding nukes being controlled by floppy disk computers but I don't think these examples are comparable with Prometheus's tech. A lot of tech onboard the Prometheus would have paved the way to giant advances in the Aliens world, plus new planets are terraformed every year so reliance on old terraformers are impossible since it would be quite impractical to dismantle them after every terraforming operation to be transported to a different planet. It would be much more cost-efficient simply to build new terraformers on new planets and as I said before, terraforming is Wey-Yu's #1 money-maker so giving them the most up-to-date tech to speed up their job would be the better idea than giving them tech over 50 years old to work with.
Yes, I've seen that too about the power plants having effin floppy disk drives. These nuclear power plants and most other infrastructure uses a SCATA communication network which is nothing more than radio waves like a CB radio would use. Not the most secure I can say.
I see a thing in a lot of movies and the thing is the art department or whoever designs these things comes up with stuff and probably just shows them to a couple of people who give it the OK and don't even think about it as deep as we do. They have lots of money tied up in a film so even if there was tech that seemed out of context maybe they didn't have the time or money to change it or something just kind of happened and now it's filmed so there's not much can be done.
Remember when the Phantom Menace came out and it looked so clean compared to the original star wars? I was so pissed at that and complained to lots of people and this dude that did a some art concepts kind of explained it so it made sense. He said it's cheaper and faster to make something original than try and recreate something that was done years upon years ago and try to mimic it. So I took him at his word and he explained a bit more how design goes and it made me understand it a bit better.
QuoteDid he say that on the commentary of the film?
In Furious Gods if memory serves. But ideas evolved constantly during production obviously.
QuoteThey looked like a fuse of a facehugger and chestburster, and had acid for blood.
I'll pay you the acid blood. The other stuff not so much.
QuoteWhere did the worms even come from if they evolved on the planet wouldent they look a little different from earth worms?
I'd say they looked a
lot different.
QuoteActually, lets compare 50+ year old Prometheus ship vs. up-to-date atmosphere processor.
Why compare a brand new Company flagship with nice big staterooms and executive suites to a 20 year old AP Station, that, being totally automated, requires little human interaction, let alone occupancy. It should've had a jacuzzi and cable TV or something?
QuoteThe schematic table the Aliens team were looking at in the film wasn't holographic.
Indeed. It might've helped them, but it still did the job and while Prometheus had a holographic table - it had way, WAY more 2D screens all over the place.
QuoteFor a company whose #1 money-maker is "Building Better Worlds", one would think these stations would get all the appropriate materials they needed, especially if its' 50+ years old.
1) It's never stated that terraforming is the Company's "#1 money-maker" in 2179. And some of the info on the Weyland website is a tad dubious.
2) Hadley was a small colony on a small planet in the middle of nowhere, and they had appropriate materials.
QuoteIt's hypocrisy if one turns one's head for one movie and not the other based solely on preference.
Why is it hypocrisy?
QuoteLindelof said it in an interview earlier, regardless Ridley still doesn't want his new film to feature any designs based on the original Alien so we're kissing the Deacon goodbye either way.
When did he say this? And I still wouldn't bet money that a Deacon doesn't show up at some point.
QuoteRemember when the Phantom Menace came out and it looked so clean compared to the original star wars?
You mean how the ships all looked brand new - because they
were effectively brand new and hadn't been flying around constantly being repaired after years of war?
QuoteIndeed. It might've helped them, but it still did the job and while Prometheus had a holographic table - it had way, WAY more 2D screens all over the place.
Technically, we can still use Windows XP today but people upgrade their technology whenever they can, and as I said earlier it doesn't make sense to not install new technology in new stations, especially if it's cheap as f**k.
Quote1) It's never stated that terraforming is the Company's "#1 money-maker" in 2179. And some of the info on the Weyland website is a tad dubious.
2) Hadley was a small colony on a small planet in the middle of nowhere, and they had appropriate materials.
It's been stated many times in the EU that terraforming is their #1 moneymaker, also their logo is literally "Building Better Worlds", what does that say?
QuoteWhy is it hypocrisy?
*Nervous laughter* You're kidding, right?
QuoteWhen did he say this? And I still wouldn't bet money that a Deacon doesn't show up at some point.
"Asked whether a sequel would be a direct prequel to Alien, Lindelof said: "If we're fortunate enough to do a sequel ... it will tangentialize even further away from the original Alien.""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(2012_film) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(2012_film))
So no Deacon? That's a shame, wanted to see what he could grow up into.
QuoteTechnically, we can still use Windows XP today but people upgrade their technology whenever they can, and as I said earlier it doesn't make sense to not install new technology in new stations, especially if it's cheap as f**k.
Assuming it is "cheap as f**k".
QuoteIt's been stated many times in the EU that terraforming is their #1 moneymaker,
Assuming the EU is relevant for a moment - when?
Quotealso their logo is literally "Building Better Worlds", what does that say?
Didn't see that logo all over the Nostromo or Fiorina. What does that say?
Quote*Nervous laughter* You're kidding, right?
No. You got 'irony' wrong. I'd like to know if you can really deliver on 'hypocrisy'.
Quote"Asked whether a sequel would be a direct prequel to Alien, Lindelof said: "If we're fortunate enough to do a sequel ... it will tangentialize even further away from the original Alien.""
So, this "Ridley still doesn't want his new film to feature any designs based on the original Alien so we're kissing the Deacon goodbye either way" is made up?
QuoteAssuming it is "cheap as f**k".
Technology over 50 years old is cheap as f**k, trust me. ;)
QuoteAssuming the EU is relevant for a moment - when?
It may have been Sea of Sorrows.
QuoteDidn't see that logo all over the Nostromo or Fiorina. What does that say?
We can't include Alien cause the company was called Weylan-Yutani and is an obvious discontinuity error, and I don't recall seeing the Weyland-Yutani logo at all in Alien 3. I do know that it was featured in Aliens, though:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fhu%2Fb%2Fb6%2FAliens-Weyland-Yutani.png&hash=ff5836fb59dd7feac461ef9386a71bdf994d9d60)
QuoteNo. You got 'irony' wrong. I'd like to know if you can really deliver on 'hypocrisy'.
I doubt I got anything wrong, but I do think it is fair to say that someone is being quite hypocritical when he claims one film should be banned from canon because it has continuity errors, but is then more lenient toward another film with the exact same problems simply because he likes it better.
QuoteSo, this "Ridley still doesn't want his new film to feature any designs based on the original Alien so we're kissing the Deacon goodbye either way" is made up?
Read the News section of this site.
QuoteWe can't include Alien cause the company was called Weylan-Yutani and is an obvious discontinuity error, and I don't recall seeing the Weyland-Yutani logo at all in Alien 3. I do know that it was featured in Aliens, though:
So a logo with that motto
in a terraforming colony somehow equates to it the Company's number 1 money earner?
Quotedoubt I got anything wrong, but I do think it is fair to say that someone is being quite hypocritical when he claims one film should be banned from canon because it has continuity errors, but is then more lenient toward another film with the exact same problems simply because he likes it better.
Is anyone doing such a thing?
QuoteRead the News section of this site.
I did. Nothing in there conclusively discounts the presence of a Deacon. Just says there'll be new different looking monsters. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Quote
So a logo with that motto in a terraforming colony somehow equates to it the Company's number 1 money earner?
Are you saying terraforming is more likely to be Wey-Yu's number 2 money earner?
QuoteIs anyone doing such a thing?
As far as I know, yes, people have whined about AVPR's discontinuities and harped why that should ban it from canon but I haven't heard anyone say the same for Prometheus.
Quote
I did. Nothing in there conclusively discounts the presence of a Deacon. Just says there'll be new different looking monsters. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Ridley also expresses disdain for the Deacon, it's pretty obvious that he is trying to shy away from Alien while not looking like he is tossing it out altogether. If there are any "xenomorphs" in Prometheus 2, it won't be the same one we saw in Prometheus and will be a different breed born on a different planet and so forth.
In alien 3 the WY logo is present in a few scenes, if i remember correctly.
Outside of the prison facility, across its walls.
QuoteAre you saying terraforming is more likely to be Wey-Yu's number 2 money earner?
I'm saying I wouldn't make such spurious claims with zero evidence to support them.
QuoteAs far as I know, yes, people have whined about AVPR's discontinuities and harped why that should ban it from canon but I haven't heard anyone say the same for Prometheus.
How terrible for you.
However, "discontinuities" sound like a legitimate basis for debate.
QuoteRidley also expresses disdain for the Deacon, it's pretty obvious that he is trying to shy away from Alien while not looking like he is tossing it out altogether. If there are any "xenomorphs" in Prometheus 2, it won't be the same one we saw in Prometheus and will be a different breed born on a different planet and so forth.
Based on what I know - well we'll eventually find out.
QuoteIn alien 3 the WY logo is present in a few scenes, if i remember correctly.
Outside of the prison facility, across its walls.
On the furnace vents as well as staff uniforms and Aaron's hat.
Guess prisons are the Company's number 1 earner...
QuoteI'm saying I wouldn't make such spurious claims with zero evidence to support them.
I told you where I heard it.
QuoteHow terrible for you.
However, "discontinuities" sound like a legitimate basis for debate.
Then let's include Prometheus in this debate.
Quote
On the furnace vents as well as staff uniforms and Aaron's hate.
Guess prisons are the Company's number 1 earner...
Why? The Company's logos don't mention the word "prison" in them.
QuoteI told you where I heard it.
You've yet to provide actual evidence however. Like a quote from a book or something.
QuoteThen let's include Prometheus in this debate.
We already are. Don't like your chances though.
Quote
Why? The Company's logos don't mention the word "prison" in them.
They don't mention 'Building Better Worlds' either.
QuoteYou've yet to provide actual evidence however. Like a quote from a book or something.
You expect me to comb through an entire book just to prove myself right? Why don't you read it?
Quote
They don't mention 'Building Better Worlds' either.
So you're gonna harp on ONE incident when Building Better Worlds doesn't show up when they do everywhere else?
QuoteYou expect me to comb through an entire book just to prove myself right? Why don't you read it?
Because I'm not the one making the claim.
QuoteSo you're gonna harp on ONE incident when Building Better Worlds doesn't show up when they do everywhere else?
Where?
You're harping on about one incident. All the other logos in Aliens - on name tags or the back of uniforms - don't say 'Building Better Worlds'. Where's this "everywhere else" of which you speak?
colour me interested. I actually enjoyed the world and asthetics of Prometheus. I never veiwed it as an Alien film,same universe but unrelated.
I can easly rewatch it and enjoy it. which i have done a few times.
So Shaw really did kill the last engineer? No more Deacon? Shit and this is why he should have went with the many tentacled rape monste.... oh wait he did. At least this time he puts it out wide open that he is going to "try" and top the alien in Prometheus 2. Hopefully he gives that f**ker some goddamn air time.
Quote from: SM on Nov 20, 2014, 04:45:24 AM
QuoteYou expect me to comb through an entire book just to prove myself right? Why don't you read it?
Because I'm not the one making the claim.
I'm not spending my time combing through a book to look for something you'll just say is not canon.
Quote from: SM on Nov 20, 2014, 04:45:24 AM
QuoteSo you're gonna harp on ONE incident when Building Better Worlds doesn't show up when they do everywhere else?
Where?
You're harping on about one incident. All the other logos in Aliens - on name tags or the back of uniforms - don't say 'Building Better Worlds'. Where's this "everywhere else" of which you speak?
EU.
Awesome! I can't wait for the next Prometheus. And if his next alien will be very different I can't wait for that as well. I'm glad Michael Fassbender will be starring in it. I loved him in Prometheus.
Ah, the amorphous EU to hide behind, where you can say what you like and don't have to prove anything, even when we're talking specifically about films and not the EU... Your overdeveloped persecution complex is showing.
QuoteSo Shaw really did kill the last engineer?
Anything's possible.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 20, 2014, 03:09:32 AM
QuoteIndeed. It might've helped them, but it still did the job and while Prometheus had a holographic table - it had way, WAY more 2D screens all over the place.
Technically, we can still use Windows XP today but people upgrade their technology whenever they can, and as I said earlier it doesn't make sense to not install new technology in new stations, especially if it's cheap as f**k.
The public prison estate in the UK is still using XP. Windows no longer support XP. Corporations use old technology and like to because they don't want to spend money upgrading. Because it's not cheap as f**k. It's expensive.
QuoteQuote1) It's never stated that terraforming is the Company's "#1 money-maker" in 2179. And some of the info on the Weyland website is a tad dubious.
2) Hadley was a small colony on a small planet in the middle of nowhere, and they had appropriate materials.
It's been stated many times in the EU that terraforming is their #1 moneymaker, also their logo is literally "Building Better Worlds", what does that say?
The EU is inconsequential - as much as I enjoy it. And that slogan was on a terraforming colony. I've yet to see it on their other properties.
Quote from: SM on Nov 20, 2014, 08:20:57 AM
QuoteSo Shaw really did kill the last engineer?
Anything's possible.
I'd like her not to have. I'd really like them to explore the Engineers - just with better looking ships and facilities. Enough stone and "natural" appearance. I want my "boneship".
Wren does refer to Weyland-Yutani as a "terran growth conglomerate", which is about as far as the movies get to saying that WY is predominantly interested in terraforming.
However, the whole argument seemed to start with PredXeno thinking that if terraforming was WY's #1 moneymaker, then every installation would be state-of-the-art with the latest and greatest technology everywhere -- which hasn't really ever been the case outside of companies who make luxury accoutrements a selling point, which WY is never shown doing, so even if PredXeno were right that WY is predominantly a terraforming company, his point is still wrong.
Hadley's is referred to explicitly as a "shake-n-bake" colony, which hardly sounds like the sort of thing decked out with needlessly fancy cutting edge technology. You make money by not spending it needlessly. That's basic business sense.
If you look at, say, a nuclear power plant, even the latest and fanciest of them, their control rooms are all designed for one thing: functionality. They're full of analogue gauges and big chunky switches because the last thing you want when you're in the early stages of a core meltdown is your LED touchscreen to stop responding to your input. The more complex the tech, the more likely it'll f**k up, so things which are in control of really complex things tend to be as simple and functional as possible. Same goes for spacecraft, naval vessels, massive cruise ships and cruise liners, etc.
Three Mile Island went to shit in part because a warning light was on the opposite side of a console from the operator. Think they'd risk a holographic map any time soon even if we had the technology?
Also keep in mind that le fancy holographic table on the Prometheus wasn't in charge of anything remotely important to the operation of the ship. That was all 2D displays.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2014, 09:03:39 AMI want my "boneship".
That would require a bit of an about-face in concept. Max and co. explained away the design inconsistency with the hand-wave of 'old ship, shit happens'... which is not entirely unreasonable when you have magic bio-goo with arbitrary powers.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 20, 2014, 11:27:20 AM
Hadley's is referred to explicitly as a "shake-n-bake" colony, which hardly sounds like the sort of thing decked out with needlessly fancy cutting edge technology. You make money by not spending it needlessly. That's basic business sense.
Just to add to this, the
Aliens laserdisc notes that "the frontier town was supposed to look like cargo containers and other scraps strung together to form a liveable environment. The concept here was that the colonists would dismantle their spaceships in order to create their new living quarters and towns."
Cameron himself explained that "I figured the colony would have a more straightforward, rudimentary-type technology," The colony's model builder, Pat McClung, described the buildings as being built "out of giant shipping containers".
Hadley's Hope was meant to look cheap and rudimentary. I don't see why anyone would compare it to the Prometheus ship.
*sigh* Everyone here seems to keep forgetting that by Aliens' time, Prometheus's technology would be over fifty years old, making it very cheap and very affordable, so why wouldn't Hadley's Hope have tech that would be worth pennies by their time?
Find it interesting that after years & years of saying the Alien is dried up, Ridley now proclaims it as the most frightening movie monster ever. How can it be dried up then? There's always new incarnations of Draculas and Zombies.
I just know for sure there isn't 1 creature feature that has a antagonist as fascinating than Alien, the Deacon was a piss poor nod at the end of Prometheus
Yeah, I know a few other people who feel the same way; as I said in my first post on this thread, Ridley doesn't care about the Alien anymore, he's just using it to string fans along and 2x his audience, which I find to be very distasteful. People can insult Anderson and Strause Bros. all they want but at least neither pulled this kinda stunt on us.
Just like George Lucas, Ridley Scott seems to have lost his touch with what he made in 1979. Looks like the Alien franchise will only live on through books and video games. Which is fine by me, Alien Isolation was the best Alien experience I've had since James Cameron's Aliens.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 20, 2014, 05:37:59 PM
*sigh* Everyone here seems to keep forgetting that by Aliens' time, Prometheus's technology would be over fifty years old, making it very cheap and very affordable, so why wouldn't Hadley's Hope have tech that would be worth pennies by their time?
We're not forgetting.
The Prometheus ship is part of a trillion dollar venture; yet in
Aliens WY and the Colonial Administration are weeping over however-many million that the Nostromo cost. Also, the Nostromo was
old by 2122; Ridley said in one interview: "I think that the machine that they're on could in fact be 60 years old and just added to over the decades. The metal-work on it could be 50 years old ... I would have liked to see it covered with space barnacles or space seaweed, all clogged and choked up." Talking about the fleet of ships zipping through the universe's spacelanes, he said: "At the culmination of many long voyages, each covering many years, these ships -no doubt part of armadas owned by private corporations- look used, beat-up, covered with graffiti, and uncomfortable. We certainly didn't design the Nostromo to look like a hotel."
The deisgn and story intention behind the Prometheus ship was completely different, it was pretty much Weyland's Air Force One.
There's also a hint of technological or cultural stagnation by
Alien's era, which Cameron alluded to to explain why Ripley didn't have to adapt to any new, wild technology in the 57 years between the first two movies.
Concerning Hadley's Hope, it was deliberately built on the cheap. Nothing fancy. So long as it's functional then it goes in. It's a prepacked, easy to assemble, simple to maintain (in comparison to top of the line stuff) colony. The most sophisticated piece of work on the planet is probably the AP stattion, and that costs considerably less than the Prometheus ship.
First off, the Nostromo wasn't worth millions of dollars, its cargo was. Also, this still doesn't explain why Hadley's Hope nor the USS Auriga had any Prometheus tech on their systems.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 20, 2014, 08:13:50 PM
First off, the Nostromo wasn't worth millions of dollars, its cargo was.
Ergo the Nostromo must have cost less, if they weren't bemoaning its loss.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 20, 2014, 08:13:50 PMAlso, this still doesn't explain why Hadley's Hope nor the USS Auriga had any Prometheus tech on their systems.
I can't and don't want to defend the Auriga, but it's already been said that the colony was a threadbare mesh of steel containers, likely mass-produced and designed to be functional at best. There's no real reason to have holographic technology all over the place. The AP Station is certainly more advanced than anything in Prometheus.
Holographic technology would have been ridiculously cheap by then, there was an 80+ year difference. Also, the computer Ripley uses to contact Burke to tell him she's decided to return to Acheron was also remarkably lo-tech for an era that was decades after Prometheus.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 20, 2014, 08:24:44 PM
Holographic technology would have been ridiculously cheap by then, there was an 80+ year difference.
The 57 years between Alien and Aliens didn't seem to make much of a difference. The Nostromo was also a supertanker built decades before Prometheus even takes place. The colony in Aliens was not built for comfort and was deliberately cheap and probably a little ramshackle.
QuoteAlso, the computer Ripley uses to contact Burke to tell him she's decided to return to Acheron was also remarkably lo-tech for an era that was decades after Prometheus.
She's living in a slum on a bum wage. Look at the corridor outside her apartment; it's a dump. We don't get to see similar or comparable environments in Prometheus, only the state of the art Prometheus ship, which cost a considerable amount of money to build compared to anything else in the series, even the AP station and colony combined.
QuoteFirst off, the Nostromo wasn't worth millions of dollars, its cargo was.
Forty two million in adjusted dollars. That's minus payload.
You're trying to argue that in the future, companies reply on 80+ year old tech and that no ship building companies would even bother to upgrade; instead manufacturing new models like the Porsche or the Prius, future corporations prefer the Cadillac cause it's cheaper.
It doesn't matter how poor anybody was in the future, holographic tech and whatnot would have been remarkably cheap by then.
We can also discuss the low tech in the conference room where Ripley got fired or even on the Sulaco.
We can also discuss the fact that the films were released at different times when we have different visions of what the future will be like.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2014, 08:57:32 PM
We can also discuss the fact that the films were released at different times when we have different visions of what the future will be like.
Exactly, imagine if Scott had created a Prometheus with fishbowl CRT screens and futuristic wood-paneled seventies decor. Probably a good chance that the majority of Prometheus' audience hadn't even seen Alien yet. Would have looked ridiculously dated to them.
An Alien in a Prometheus movie- YAY!
It really doesn't matter to me whether a capital A Alien shows up, to be honest. I'm just curious to see what direction they spin things in and hope for a tighter film with less logic gaps.
judging by a fairly recent Ridley interview where he mentioned Prometheus, he might be sick of having a snarling monster. Maybe he wants an intelligent alien monster character
Eh, not getting my hopes up for anything at all Alien or Prometheus related coming from Scott.
The ending to Prometheus is simple yet wide open for possibility...other than Shaw and David going on an intergalactic field trip, I'd prefer they abandon everything else addressed/encountered in Prom 1.
Quote from: orchidal on Nov 21, 2014, 02:24:30 AM
The ending to Prometheus is simple yet wide open for possibility...other than Shaw and David going on an intergalactic field trip, I'd prefer they abandon everything else addressed/encountered in Prom 1.
This, they must move on.
I also find myself not very excited about a sequel to Prometheus. I'm Star Wars crazy these days....Prometheus resonated, and one day I think it will be seen as a better film then it actually is, if not for the effects alone. The next film is going to have to blow the socks off everything in every way.
Found a bit more to the original post in another article. Don't know how reliable it is since it is written in the writer's words and not Ridley's
Scott was asked what the creature looked like and its nature, and the director replied that the composition is very close to the 1979 Alien creature.
Read more: http://www.ecumenicalnews.com/article/prometheus-2-spoilers-release-date-rumors-ridley-scott-27317#ixzz3KDRLdoYB (http://www.ecumenicalnews.com/article/prometheus-2-spoilers-release-date-rumors-ridley-scott-27317#ixzz3KDRLdoYB)
If that's true could he be refering to the adult Deacon?
Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 26, 2014, 10:22:16 PM
Found a bit more to the original post in another article. Don't know how reliable it is since it is written in the writer's words and not Ridley's
Scott was asked what the creature looked like and its nature, and the director replied that the composition is very close to the 1979 Alien creature.
Read more: http://www.ecumenicalnews.com/article/prometheus-2-spoilers-release-date-rumors-ridley-scott-27317#ixzz3KDRLdoYB (http://www.ecumenicalnews.com/article/prometheus-2-spoilers-release-date-rumors-ridley-scott-27317#ixzz3KDRLdoYB)
If that's true could he be refering to the adult Deacon?
Ridley Scott said:
" The Prometheus "baby" alien was, he concedes, "awfully close to the alien" that tormented Sigourney Weaver. His next one promises to be very different.Besides Scott promises something new and fresh. Now if I'm wrong and the new monster resembles the original Alien after all, probably will be because of it's biomechanical aspect. But I don't think the new monster is a Xenomorph, or adult Deacon.
welll, I don't think this ecumenicalnews article makes much sense really anyway. It could well be about "dragoons" for all I know
It needs to be a new form if that's really what he's going for. Yes, the Deacon isn't an Alien, but it was conceived in such a way that it was basically an Alien and the basic appearance is the same.
He needs to go for something completely out there - in much the same way as the original Alien was.
Did Ridley just f**k with everyone's mind in this article?
The reporter seems to be making the leap that 'dragon' is what Ridley is calling the alien, but much as he had a dig at endless zombie flicks a while back, I took his remarks on dragons to be aimed at Game of Thrones, The Hobbit, maybe Harry Potter...
It would be nice if they started burning the wick at both ends. In effect, the movies could go on a Prometheus tangent and also a post-Aliens tangent and then at some point the stories could remerge.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 27, 2014, 09:37:39 PM
It would be nice if they started burning the wick at both ends. In effect, the movies could go on a Prometheus tangent and also a post-Aliens tangent and then at some point the stories could remerge.
Sounds good to me. Would make things less contrived and would add another dimension to Alien as well as Prometheus. That means that they have to start making Alien movies again, which I doubt. A:R opened up for a new chapter, but people are still stuck and obsessed with the previous one. Does Prometheus have what it takes to tow the Alien franchise and story line back to service or will the next Alien movie(s) be remakes or reboots? :(
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Nov 28, 2014, 04:22:29 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 27, 2014, 09:37:39 PM
It would be nice if they started burning the wick at both ends. In effect, the movies could go on a Prometheus tangent and also a post-Aliens tangent and then at some point the stories could remerge.
Sounds good to me. Would make things less contrived and would add another dimension to Alien as well as Prometheus. That means that they have to start making Alien movies again, which I doubt. A:R opened up for a new chapter, but people are still stuck and obsessed with the previous one. Does Prometheus have what it takes to tow the Alien franchise and story line back to service or will the next Alien movie(s) be remakes or reboots? :(
With time dilation characters from both Prometheus and A:Resurrection (or any Alien films for that matter) could plausibly cross paths...not sure that I'd want that to happen though...there are too many ways to screw that scenario up.
Of course they will screw it up in one way or another. But it would be refreshing to see something new. Extremely tired of Colonial Marines and Predator crossovers. Technically A:R left us with a grand opening to a new chapter in the Alien saga, but no one cares or knows what to do with it (...yet).
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2014, 08:31:22 AM
It needs to be a new form if that's really what he's going for. Yes, the Deacon isn't an Alien, but it was conceived in such a way that it was basically an Alien and the basic appearance is the same.
He needs to go for something completely out there - in much the same way as the original Alien was.
pls ridley
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Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Nov 29, 2014, 01:36:48 AM
pls ridley
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z8O32jL-QWQ/hqdefault.jpg
It'd be cool if shaw ended up looking like that after visiting the engineer home world.
That's exactly the kind of thing I'd love to see. Ridley did himself a disservice moving away from the biomechanical aspect of Giger's designs. That's what truly made the Alien a fantastic design - the subsequent departure from those aspects in the later films lessened the visual awesomeness of the creatures.
I feel the same happened for Prometheus. The rocky/natural appearance of the Engineer structures and the creatures.
Quote from: Gash on Nov 27, 2014, 08:47:37 PM
The reporter seems to be making the leap that 'dragon' is what Ridley is calling the alien, but much as he had a dig at endless zombie flicks a while back, I took his remarks on dragons to be aimed at Game of Thrones, The Hobbit, maybe Harry Potter...
Ridley was comparing the alien to a "futuristic dragon" back in the time of the Alien interviews, with Ripley in her white suit at the end a white knight
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Nov 29, 2014, 01:36:48 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2014, 08:31:22 AM
It needs to be a new form if that's really what he's going for. Yes, the Deacon isn't an Alien, but it was conceived in such a way that it was basically an Alien and the basic appearance is the same.
He needs to go for something completely out there - in much the same way as the original Alien was.
pls ridley
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z8O32jL-QWQ/hqdefault.jpg
Buy...but it was already done in Species.
And considering what actually happens in Species, we could get a whole new Canon going by linking it to Prometheus.
Exactly! First one fits very much with Prommy.
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Nov 29, 2014, 01:36:48 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2014, 08:31:22 AM
It needs to be a new form if that's really what he's going for. Yes, the Deacon isn't an Alien, but it was conceived in such a way that it was basically an Alien and the basic appearance is the same.
He needs to go for something completely out there - in much the same way as the original Alien was.
pls ridley
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z8O32jL-QWQ/hqdefault.jpg
Yes, I also hope to see Shaw converted into a biomechanoid creature. She finds answers to the big questions but while she is possessed by a biomechanical God. And then she begins to see images of the ancient past of the Engineers in her mind, when she is connected with that monstrosity.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Dec 02, 2014, 12:05:30 AM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Nov 29, 2014, 01:36:48 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2014, 08:31:22 AM
It needs to be a new form if that's really what he's going for. Yes, the Deacon isn't an Alien, but it was conceived in such a way that it was basically an Alien and the basic appearance is the same.
He needs to go for something completely out there - in much the same way as the original Alien was.
pls ridley
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z8O32jL-QWQ/hqdefault.jpg
Yes, I also hope to see Shaw converted into a biomechanoid creature. She finds answers to the big questions but while she is possessed by a biomechanical God. And then she begins to see images of the ancient past of the Engineers in her mind, when she is connected with that monstrosity.
Good idea, very Lovecraftian.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2014, 10:44:12 AM
That's exactly the kind of thing I'd love to see. Ridley did himself a disservice moving away from the biomechanical aspect of Giger's designs. That's what truly made the Alien a fantastic design - the subsequent departure from those aspects in the later films lessened the visual awesomeness of the creatures.
I feel the same happened for Prometheus. The rocky/natural appearance of the Engineer structures and the creatures.
And not only this, but Giger's biomechanical sculptures/designs were so evocative and detailed and layered that they implied an eerie backstory in and of themselves.
Quote from: orchidal on Dec 02, 2014, 02:46:12 AM
And not only this, but Giger's biomechanical sculptures/designs were so evocative and detailed and layered that they implied an eerie backstory in and of themselves.
I think that you would have to have Giger overseeing the whole thing in order to get that added effect that seemed to create a back story, or at least the one's we've been imagining all this time.
I probably am interested though in the idea of Prometheus 2 playing around with the idea of quantum physics and a holographic universe, and probably the reason that the derelict and the juggernaut as well as their occupants are different but with similarities is because they are from universes parallel to each other but yet still interconnected, and so they merely represent the same thing in our universe of thinking and so they have a certain amount of bleed through between their different realities in the form of their technologies and their ships, as if they are in some way symbols
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Dec 01, 2014, 11:34:39 AM
Quote from: Gash on Nov 27, 2014, 08:47:37 PM
The reporter seems to be making the leap that 'dragon' is what Ridley is calling the alien, but much as he had a dig at endless zombie flicks a while back, I took his remarks on dragons to be aimed at Game of Thrones, The Hobbit, maybe Harry Potter...
Ridley was comparing the alien to a "futuristic dragon" back in the time of the Alien interviews, with Ripley in her white suit at the end a white knight
Yes, but given his actual statement 'stop the dragons' 'If I see one more dragon' it looks like it's aimed more at the sudden cultural prevalence of mythical dragons.
In all honesty, I read it as a reference to the Alien and similar toothy beasts, but I've seen some good cases made for it meaning literal dragons, and just being poorly edited.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 03, 2014, 03:26:40 AM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Dec 01, 2014, 11:34:39 AM
Quote from: Gash on Nov 27, 2014, 08:47:37 PM
The reporter seems to be making the leap that 'dragon' is what Ridley is calling the alien, but much as he had a dig at endless zombie flicks a while back, I took his remarks on dragons to be aimed at Game of Thrones, The Hobbit, maybe Harry Potter...
Ridley was comparing the alien to a "futuristic dragon" back in the time of the Alien interviews, with Ripley in her white suit at the end a white knight
Yes, but given his actual statement 'stop the dragons' 'If I see one more dragon' it looks like it's aimed more at the sudden cultural prevalence of mythical dragons.
well, I haven't really bothered to look at too many dragons recently anyway, but I wish to validate the fact that the original alien could be compared to a dragon was always at the back of his mind anyway, whatever set him off with the need to talk about dragons today.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Nov 19, 2014, 07:04:45 PM
He sounds like he was a bit drunk... a bit.
Lol, I thought the same. I love his spirit though.
New interview with Ridley Scott talking about Prometheus sequel:
http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/1106481/ridley-scott-on-prometheus-and-blade-runner-sequels-and-the-one-thing-he-absolutely-wont-do.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/1106481/ridley-scott-on-prometheus-and-blade-runner-sequels-and-the-one-thing-he-absolutely-wont-do.jhtml)
U.S. only. 'Murica! :-\
I'm in New Zealand and watched it just fine. I am on a dynamic IP though...
Today i'm kinda glad this distances from Alien more and more. The better i can ignore it.
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Nov 29, 2014, 01:36:48 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 27, 2014, 08:31:22 AM
It needs to be a new form if that's really what he's going for. Yes, the Deacon isn't an Alien, but it was conceived in such a way that it was basically an Alien and the basic appearance is the same.
He needs to go for something completely out there - in much the same way as the original Alien was.
pls ridley
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z8O32jL-QWQ/hqdefault.jpg
No way this is gonna happen. Not new enough (Species), so it's not scary anymore as Ridley would put it. Also it's too much effort. They are way too lazy for such things.
The alien was "the definitivie dragon", seriously? I think Mr. Scott needs to read a little fantasy.
He means dragon as in "here there be dragons", he always has.
Quote from: Liberator on Jan 01, 2015, 02:41:40 AM
The alien was "the definitivie dragon", seriously? I think Mr. Scott needs to read a little fantasy.
In film at least, it fills a similar role and has made quite a mark on fiction.