i'm not the only one who thinks this took away A LOT from alien nature presented in previous films, am i?
lets discuss this piece of bullcrap.
I can understand that beas aliens from A:R were eating, cause they were mutants. But all other aliens seems to be natural power batterys ( Accid blood means something) and when battery is out of energy they are dieing.
they ate in alien 3. im sure they have a way of eating
Yeah the Strauses seem to have reduced the Aliens to dumb zombies.
Quote from: Master on Nov 28, 2007, 09:01:05 PM
I can understand that beas aliens from A:R were eating, cause they were mutants. But all other aliens seems to be natural power batterys ( Accid blood means something) and when battery is out of energy they are dieing.
i know it! However i like the recharging idea too, explains why they don't move and stay still, while not interupted.
That is one of the things, that makes aliens unique. The aliens aren't f**king animals, jeepers creepers monsters or gremlins, bros! Why the hell you're degrading them to cliche monsters? :(
Quotethey ate in alien 3. im sure they have a way of eating
once again it looked more like ripping up the bodies to parts than eating. and belive me, they seem to gain pleasure from doing this (alien and lambert, anyone?)
imo all aliens eat but we just havent seen much of it
OMG THEY EET???!! NO WAI!!!!!
Seriously, this has changed my view of the movie. It will suck. Dumb ass strause bros.
Quote from: brad873 on Nov 28, 2007, 09:03:59 PM
they ate in alien 3. im sure they have a way of eating
when in alien 3 did the dog alien actually eat the prisoners as opposed to mauling them in a gory fashion? It was more aggressive in terms of its attacking possibly due to the dna of the dog it burst out of, but it was never eating any of them. (at least the idea intended behind the gory attacks, where it seemed to just dive all over them, was due to this)
sure, let's throw all the 'perfect organism' take and whole concept of unstoppable killing machine (literally machine) to thrash.
aliens are just big lions in disguise with acid blood, afterall ::)
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 28, 2007, 09:12:53 PM
Quote from: brad873 on Nov 28, 2007, 09:03:59 PM
they ate in alien 3. im sure they have a way of eating
when in alien 3 did the dog alien actually eat the prisoners as opposed to mauling them in a gory fashion? It was more aggressive in terms of its attacking possibly due to the dna of the dog it burst out of, but it was never eating any of them. (at least the idea intended behind the gory attacks, where it seemed to just dive all over them, was due to this)
It completely ignored some of the prisoners as it appeared to feast on corpses. Don't know why it would ignore them just to maul something...
ok after have known the stuff about the WaRrioR HuGGerZZ i realize that this is the supose next...the list is long...
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Quote from: brad873 on Nov 28, 2007, 09:03:59 PM
they ate in alien 3. im sure they have a way of eating
when in alien 3 did the dog alien actually eat the prisoners as opposed to mauling them in a gory fashion? It was more aggressive in terms of its attacking possibly due to the dna of the dog it burst out of, but it was never eating any of them. (at least the idea intended behind the gory attacks, where it seemed to just dive all over them, was due to this)
It completely ignored some of the prisoners as it appeared to feast on corpses. Don't know why it would ignore them just to maul something...
Who did it ignore? It didn't attack dillon when he pulled the guy down but that doesn't mean he was eating that guy. (in fact you see the inner jaw wound on his neck and that is how the guy died, bleeding to death from that, bits of flesh were not pulled from all over his body.)
All that thrashing around expends the aliens energy, also the alien prefers to hunt down people when their not together in a group, it may feel threatened, (instinctually threatened by a large number of other species, not because it couldn't take them down, its probably a survival instinct. Explains why the alien doesn't just charge a large group of people when its only one and not part of a wave of attacking aliens, instead relies on stealth and agility and hides)
I hope to god if anyone ever does another movie with aliens, they ignore all this Strause Bros. bullshit and just give us the Xenomorphs we know and love.
I was thining that myself today, I know that I would just ingore everything that they have changed, just like how they are ignoring AVP i'llignbore their bullsh** changes as well.
I'm pretty sure aliens don't NEED to eat - since the Nostromo alien grew full size without consuming organic matter (don't tell me about rats either :P ).
well hopefully not a big deal about this
I dont know, maybe they eat for pleasure or strength or something, like they dont need to but they can when they get the chance. the Alien clearly eats people in Alien 3. not to mention ripley says "It wont kill me, I stood right next to it, I could have been lunch."
They eat to get health back ala the PC game lolskates
Quote from: AdamJZ on Nov 28, 2007, 09:48:50 PM
I dont know, maybe they eat for pleasure or strength or something, like they dont need to but they can when they get the chance. the Alien clearly eats people in Alien 3. not to mention ripley says "It wont kill me, I stood right next to it, I could have been lunch."
Yeah that's what I assumed when i saw it in Alien 3 (i think it's clearly meant to show the alien is eating), because I never thought they
Had to eat, but it was more a convienance thing. maybe gives them some added benefit or something.
Though i think it would be better if they didn't eat at all.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 28, 2007, 09:23:19 PM
Who did it ignore? It didn't attack dillon when he pulled the guy down but that doesn't mean he was eating that guy.
Is that so? Can you say it 100% for sure? No! .. All speculation .. no more .. no less!
Look at the scene in alien 3 where the alien get the first prisoner. The Alien is clearly "doing" smth. with him .. it looks like it is eating him .. When Tim get attacked in the trailer through the window the alien is doing the same stuff.
greetz
Quote from: Accaris on Nov 28, 2007, 09:53:19 PM
They eat to get health back ala the PC game lolskates
only they weren't eating there, just mauling. and that was rebellions decisions, and they knew that aliens don't need to eat, they gain energy thanks to increasing level of the agression.
belive me, implementing eating bodies instead of ripping them apart in game engine would be a lot easier, but they did otherwise.
I dont get the problem with aliens eating, its natural.
People just need more to bitch about.
Although Greg shouldn't have tried to justify the whole darker colored facehugger by saying it was "a warrior facehugger". Thats a bunch a crap.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 28, 2007, 10:01:14 PM
I dont get the problem with aliens eating, its natural.
for animals yes. for
biomechanical killers from outer space, not necesseraly
QuoteEating Aliens, WTF?!?
YES!!! Eating Aliens, so what? you saw them eating in Alien3, what did you expected them to eat? steal walls???
::) ::) ::)
Quote from: AdamJZ on Nov 28, 2007, 09:48:50 PM
I dont know, maybe they eat for pleasure or strength or something, like they dont need to but they can when they get the chance. the Alien clearly eats people in Alien 3. not to mention ripley says "It wont kill me, I stood right next to it, I could have been lunch."
she didn't mean that literally, she means you would have been killed. (either that or her character didn't know that they don't actually eat people)
Seeing the aliens eat takes away from their, well, "Alien-ness." It makes them anthropomorphic and relatable to animals on Earth, and helps demystify their aurora of being "truly unknown" from the original movies. One of the things that makes the aliens unique IMO is that they don't kill for food, but because they're programmed to as a species, making them different and somewhat more complex than the average movie monster.
Well, Alien 3 looked like eating so it's possible
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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 28, 2007, 10:01:14 PM
I dont get the problem with aliens eating, its natural.
for animals yes. for biomechanical killers from outer space, not necesseraly
I always thought that alien would eat, they are not machines, alien or not, its natural.
No problem here.
True, but Alien 3 had canon problems all its own, so it's probably not a good place for future filmmakers to look at as a jumping-off point...
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 28, 2007, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: AdamJZ on Nov 28, 2007, 09:48:50 PM
I dont know, maybe they eat for pleasure or strength or something, like they dont need to but they can when they get the chance. the Alien clearly eats people in Alien 3. not to mention ripley says "It wont kill me, I stood right next to it, I could have been lunch."
she didn't mean that literally, she means you would have been killed. (either that or her character didn't know that they don't actually eat people)
Or maybe, who knows, its literal? That indefinitely wasn't a time for her to joke around when she had a queen in her stomach. She was serious, don't bend a character's words just because you can't get your head around a concept that isn't far fetched in the least.
Ok so by this only Pred1 and Alien are canon... ::)
I think its good that they show aliens eat. We already had that with the predator in predator 2, they are alien too, but they have to feed, its natural.
Looking forward to those shots.
Quote from: Otnip on Nov 28, 2007, 10:08:03 PM
Although Greg shouldn't have tried to justify the whole darker colored facehugger by saying it was "a warrior facehugger". Thats a bunch a crap.
He didn't. It was just a little something he tossed out there. To speculate about. Not a 100% concrete reason.
I don't think it's bullcrap at all. It only messes with fans who think the Alien is so alien that it eats metals.
I would rather this wasn't addressed in a mindless versus film, but whatever.
What wrong if the aliens eat something?
I'd rather it remain a mystery. In A3, we saw the Alien to be doing what looked like "eating", but it was never shown. Who knows what it was doing? So much for the mystery.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Nov 28, 2007, 10:18:04 PM
What wrong if the aliens eat something?
well the past films show that they didn't and didn't need to. No evidence of food storage being raided in the colony complex in Aliens, nor were any chestbursted bodies eaten after death. (Notice Alien:Resurrection and Aliens)
Headbites do not equal=eating flesh. According to the anchorpoint essays they don't eat people, but have function like a biological battery of sorts, due to the chemicals that make up their blood..etc.
I can see why people are getting riled up. It's yet another element that makes it into your typical mindless movie monster. But at this point, is it really the "eating people" part that's doing that or everything else they've done to ruin the original design? I would think it's the latter. This is just another thing, not the death kneel.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 28, 2007, 10:13:38 PM
I always thought that alien would eat, they are not machines, alien or not, its natural.
No problem here.
so we can safely assume, that because of bad vision conditions predators weren't able to achieve this stage of technology by themselves and all was stolen from some other race. and you will be ok with this, right Johhny? ;)
Quote from: Robotpo on Nov 28, 2007, 10:12:45 PM
Seeing the aliens eat takes away from their, well, "Alien-ness." It makes them anthropomorphic and relatable to animals on Earth, and helps demystify their aurora of being "truly unknown" from the original movies. One of the things that makes the aliens unique IMO is that they don't kill for food, but because they're programmed to as a species, making them different and somewhat more complex than the average movie monster.
very well said, i couldn't agree more
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 28, 2007, 10:21:29 PM
Headbites do not equal=eating flesh. According to the anchorpoint essays they don't eat people, but have function like a biological battery of sorts, due to the chemicals that make up their blood..etc.
So some random dude on the internet making stuff up about the aliens is ok, but we have to bash directors who do?
Hmm...
Good point.
Also, if you guys don't think aliens eat and that they are not bugs (I believe this too), why would the alien insist on ripping apart a human if theres other humans around? Wouldn't it just kill them and move on to the next prey?
Quote from: KidPresentable on Nov 28, 2007, 10:26:51 PM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 28, 2007, 10:21:29 PM
Headbites do not equal=eating flesh. According to the anchorpoint essays they don't eat people, but have function like a biological battery of sorts, due to the chemicals that make up their blood..etc.
So some random dude on the internet making stuff up about the aliens is ok, but we have to bash directors who do?
Hmm...
well at least the guy who made the anchorpoint essay site, makes sense in terms of the reasoning he comes up with for things, even if its also not established to be canon due to not being confirmed in a film.
its funny how the strause's keep defending other bullshit by saying "the aliens aren't simple bugs" but then want to reduce them to such in other instances. The aliens are alien and we don't know that they have to breathe the same way we do either, as they can exist in a vacuum, and they don't require oxygen. If they can do that and live, who says they need to consume meat in order to sustain themselves.
It seems their inner jaw and how its connected to their mouth on the inside would limit the size/amount of flesh that could be consumed at any given time and thus is not very efficient for that, so its a defense/offensive killing trait it evolved as opposed to an aid in mastication. (no not masturbation.)
In the event of the space jockey's creating the aliens, they surely could be biomechanical and not have to eat things. They would be part biological part machine in some sense. Organic, replicating semi-machinery in some regards.
Quotewell the past films show that they didn't and didn't need to. No evidence of food storage being raided in the colony complex in Aliens, nor were any chestbursted bodies eaten after death. (Notice Alien:Resurrection and Aliens)
I agree when people say they shouldn't have to eat. My personal preference.
But Alien 3 at least first brought up the idea, and if you think that it wasn't 'eating' whether for aditional benefits or whatever, then maybe the scenes in this movie will be the same way and people can interpret it however they want.
On a side note, I think it's an inevitability that as more movies are created with aliens and preds in them, the more mysteries about them are solved because every movie does that to some degree. With each movie made, there are less mysteries. Now I don't like that because one, it ruins them sometimes when revealing details, and two sometimes there are parts about them added I don't like. but I guess it's the downside to seeing them on screen again.
And yes, canon is a seperate issue.
Quote from: Tun on Nov 28, 2007, 10:37:14 PM
But Alien 3 at least first brought up the idea, and if you think that it wasn't 'eating' whether for aditional benefits or whatever, then maybe the scenes in this movie will be the same way and people can interpret it however they want.
i really hope so. chesbursters eating children instead of ripping them apart just for pleasure would be awful.
I honestly don't see the problem here...
ALL living things eat somehow...
Ha ...
Its so funny how some people bash the directors for ideas that doesnt make sense in their view because of the "canon" .. yes .. the canon which they read on fansites that is nothing official ..
how ridiculous ... big alien experts huh? ::)
you make me laugh everytime ... a big LOL to you guys
greetz
Quote from: $cHm0cK on Nov 28, 2007, 11:07:04 PM
Ha ...
Its so funny how some people bash the directors for ideas that doesnt make sense in their view because of the "canon" .. yes .. the canon which they read on fansites that is nothing official ..
how ridiculous ... big alien experts huh? ::)
greetz
Beware, there's at least 5 of them that will be ofended by this...and they'll start whining in 3, 2, 1...
Quote from: $cHm0cK on Nov 28, 2007, 11:07:04 PM
Ha ...
Its so funny how some people bash the directors for ideas that doesnt make sense in their view because of the "canon" .. yes .. the canon which they read on fansites that is nothing official ..
how ridiculous ... big alien experts huh? ::)
greetz
i was sure aliens don't need to feed since i first saw all three movies (the fourth wasn't made then), it was crystal clear for me.
p.s. damn, i was too late, i thought i'll post exactly when demonio countdown will end. :P
Also it'll probably just look like what the alien in 3 did, which i think we could say is fine
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 28, 2007, 11:12:34 PM
Also it'll probably just look like what the alien in 3 did, which i think we could say is fine
It
already looks like alien 3 ...
WATH THE RED BAND TRAILERS ..
When Tim get attacked through the window by the alien, it does the same thing what the alien in ALIEN 3 did ...
greetz
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 28, 2007, 11:12:34 PM
Also it'll probably just look like what the alien in 3 did, which i think we could say is fine
i really hope so!
QuoteIts so funny how some people bash the directors for ideas that doesnt make sense in their view because of the "canon" .. yes .. the canon which they read on fansites that is nothing official ..
f**k me you're an ignorant tool.
QuoteBeware, there's at least 5 of them that will be ofended by this...and they'll start whining in 3, 2, 1...
Birds of a feather...
That said. Aliens eating is no big deal. It's been hinted at in previous films though never shown. Sure it demystifies the Aliens yet again and therefore diminishes them. But should we be surprised?
OH NO....Aliens eat they mystery is ruined...we can never love aliens again...come on guys its not that big of a deal...they eat big surprise
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2007, 11:15:51 PM
QuoteIts so funny how some people bash the directors for ideas that doesnt make sense in their view because of the "canon" .. yes .. the canon which they read on fansites that is nothing official ..
f**k me you're an ignorant tool.
Be nice to your other forum members SM, irrespective of whatever your views on them are.
Golic was the one that said "feeds on minds". I dont know if Fincher confirmed the alien was eating brain matter. Anyone know?
I didnt have a problem with this idea, but then again, the film was much classier than what were getting here so...
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 28, 2007, 09:23:19 PM
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Quote from: brad873 on Nov 28, 2007, 09:03:59 PM
they ate in alien 3. im sure they have a way of eating
when in alien 3 did the dog alien actually eat the prisoners as opposed to mauling them in a gory fashion? It was more aggressive in terms of its attacking possibly due to the dna of the dog it burst out of, but it was never eating any of them. (at least the idea intended behind the gory attacks, where it seemed to just dive all over them, was due to this)
It completely ignored some of the prisoners as it appeared to feast on corpses. Don't know why it would ignore them just to maul something...
Who did it ignore? It didn't attack dillon when he pulled the guy down but that doesn't mean he was eating that guy. (in fact you see the inner jaw wound on his neck and that is how the guy died, bleeding to death from that, bits of flesh were not pulled from all over his body.)
All that thrashing around expends the aliens energy, also the alien prefers to hunt down people when their not together in a group, it may feel threatened, (instinctually threatened by a large number of other species, not because it couldn't take them down, its probably a survival instinct. Explains why the alien doesn't just charge a large group of people when its only one and not part of a wave of attacking aliens, instead relies on stealth and agility and hides)
seems like your making up stuff to prove they don't eat, when there is more evidence for them eating. I definitely think the alien in alien 3 was eating, it was munching on the damn prisoners after they were dead. Aliens are supposedly in for quick kills, not mutilating the victim. IMO, eating.
I wonder if the babies in the hospital get eaten. :o
Another thing I like to add. The Aliens has taken over the colony for days but all the dead hosts we see are still intact except a hole in the chest.
Sorry brothers but the idea of them eating is stupid. The face huggers are still alive from Alien and they spent many years with out consuming food from other life forms.
The Egg kept them alive...you don't need food in an egg...
Second we shall some bodies i don't know about you but i didn't count any but i could tell it wasen't 100...that doesn't prove much either way
Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 28, 2007, 11:26:18 PM
Golic was the one that said "feeds on minds".
hmmm, i thought that was metaphore.
So did the strauses misinterpret or did A3 mean this literal?
The eating could also be a dog trait only.
What does fincher think of this? hmmm...
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 28, 2007, 11:34:03 PM
Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 28, 2007, 11:26:18 PM
Golic was the one that said "feeds on minds".
hmmm, i thought that was metaphore.
Same here. Golic saw it punch a hole into Boggs's head. He "feeds on minds." Get it?
so do the aliens or pred aliens eat in this? or both? is it confirmed? man theres new info that i haven't heard yet.
Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 28, 2007, 11:35:58 PM
So did the strauses misinterpret or did A3 mean this literal?
The eating could also be a dog trait only.
What does fincher think of this? hmmm...
wouldn't make sense because if alien eats, then everything should. Humans eat, dogs eat, preds eat.
Gaining like 100kg in 2 days requires a massive intake of something... Food seems logical??!?!?!?!?
How do you explain the Nostromo Alien than? That thing grew in just a couple hours, yet fed on nothing.
Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 28, 2007, 11:35:58 PM
So did the strauses misinterpret or did A3 mean this literal?
The eating could also be a dog trait only.
What does fincher think of this? hmmm...
the commentary says he loved how the viewer don't have idea what hell is alien doing.
Also the scene, the only one in the entire franchise, which you interpret as alien eating, actually shows, that its victim is still alive, so propably its just killing it in very gruesome way, not eating.
Don't quote me on this, but I believe the novelization of Alien mentions a storage room raid by the chestburster right before it molts its skin. So we really don't know if it ate meat or not.
The Alien script and novelisation told us it ate. They trap it in the food locker and Dallas flames the crap out of it and it escapes into the airduct. After a brief discussion about who's going to follow it, Dallas volunteers Parker who pikes. Ripley says she'll go but Dallas realises he has to go himself.
QuoteBe nice to your other forum members SM, irrespective of whatever your views on them are.
There's a difference between my view and fact. I posted the latter.
That's fine then. Never really had a problem with it, but still questioned it.
the novelisations told us about facehugger with an eye aswell ;)
The person writing the novelization wasn't exactly sure about creature details, so the descriptions on the visuals are murky at best. But it does go to show that the production crew was aware of the impossibility in any creature spontaneously gaining mass.
Ash theorises that they now know how it grew so big so fast.
It was better left on the cutting room floor because it's best left mysterious. What if it DOESN'T need food to get so big so fast? Makes a much more formidable opponent if you deny it food and it STILL grows really big really fast. Existing films would indicate they don't NEED food anyway.
However an Alien eating isn't exactly out of left field. Like a lot of the other dopey aspects of this film.
Quotethe novelisations told us about facehugger with an eye aswell
Based on Giger's art.
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2007, 12:00:25 AM
Quotethe novelisations told us about facehugger with an eye aswell
Based on Giger's art.
yep, along with the turkey chestburster ;)
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2007, 11:52:00 PM
QuoteBe nice to your other forum members SM, irrespective of whatever your views on them are.
There's a difference between my view and fact. I posted the latter.
Look, it was against the rules and you know that. Let's not make this into something it need not be, I was just doing my job afterall.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 28, 2007, 11:57:05 PM
The person writing the novelization wasn't exactly sure about creature details, so the descriptions on the visuals are murky at best. But it does go to show that the production crew was aware of the impossibility in any creature spontaneously gaining mass.
intresting indeed. makes me wonder, why it wasn't ever filmed, and why in every next installment aliens just kill, without eating. SM might be right. Change was made to make it more inhuman and unstoppable. And that is exact effect it, and the next two movies, made on me.
Again, I can go either way if we see it eating. It's genuinely something unexplored. I just don't think this is a case of "Fox allowing these creatures to be dumbed down further." We have enough of that already in this film.
Of course they eat, why wouldn't they? I find it very unlikely and stupid that they would not. They are alive aren't they? Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean they don't. Where in the alien series does it state that they don't eat? Where would they get there energy? I like the fact we will see this....
and i'm affraid of impression of the audience, which might be like 'wow, they are space velociraptors'
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2007, 12:00:25 AM
Ash theorises that they now know how it grew so big so fast.
It was better left on the cutting room floor because it's best left mysterious. What if it DOESN'T need food to get so big so fast? Makes a much more formidable opponent if you deny it food and it STILL grows really big really fast. Existing films would indicate they don't NEED food anyway.
However an Alien eating isn't exactly out of left field. Like a lot of the other dopey aspects of this film.
Quotethe novelisations told us about facehugger with an eye aswell
Based on Giger's art.
That is very true, makes them more formidable. Eating when they can? extra energy? why not?
*Sighs* Aliens wouldn't eat, the Strause Bro's are givin g the aliens in AVP:R too many human qualitys, I could see if the aliens got energy (Basicly the closest thing to eating) by being in the hive, but eating? Bull s**t.
I don't even know why we allude to anything anymore. Just design the head as one giant penis just for the slow people in the audience who need to see everything and get it over with.
I think the eating is just them ripping people apart, nothing more
QuoteWhere in the alien series does it state that they don't eat?
Where does it say they do? Nowhere. It's not unusual for people to like some things to be left vague.
vague is probably better in this case. But maybe bro's will be vague about it?
I doubt were gonna see an alien with a knife and fork eating the corpse...(waiting for someone to make a drawing of this lol)
It'll have inbuilt cutlery inherited from the host...
and also completly ignore that the Alien mouth is remotely designed to either eat or ingest after acid barfing.
I'm certainly thankful I won't be paying to see this.
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2007, 12:25:41 AM
It'll have inbuilt cutlery inherited from the host...
the host being American!
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 12:28:40 AM
and also completly ignore that the Alien mouth is remotely designed to either eat or ingest after acid barfing.
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
I have no problems with them eating humans, however if they show an alien riping flesh off an arm, a la Dawn of the Dead, it will be lame...this is not a zombie movie...
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 12:32:22 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 12:28:40 AM
and also completly ignore that the Alien mouth is remotely designed to either eat or ingest after acid barfing.
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Striketeeth don't have a hoover attachement, and dead people in Alien movies aren't hollowed out corpses.
It make me me f**king laugh my ass off that Colin berates/accuses SiL of wanting Aliens to be "just dumb bugs" when that is PRECISELY what they have done. Hypocrites.
It'll be ok, maybe, if they just ripped victims apart, but not killing, whoa, wait a minute, why are the aliens killing humans? Aren't they supposed to be making hosts by just paralyzing, catamotizing people? Another mistep.
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 12:32:22 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 12:28:40 AM
and also completly ignore that the Alien mouth is remotely designed to either eat or ingest after acid barfing.
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
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Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 12:32:22 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 12:28:40 AM
and also completly ignore that the Alien mouth is remotely designed to either eat or ingest after acid barfing.
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
That's what i was hopeing for...
What do you mean by 'closer'? Just tell us that we are not going to see an alien bite an arm and then stretchy flesh pulls from the mouth to the arm as the alien head pulls away...
i've always assumed aliens ate meat. look at their teeth, not exactly vegetarians teeth are they?
Quote from: Gates on Nov 29, 2007, 12:49:33 AM
What do you mean by 'closer'? Just tell us that we are not going to see an alien bite an arm and then stretchy flesh pulls from the mouth to the arm as the alien head pulls away...
You know Gates it is possible for you to like something they do...jsut throwing it out there
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:44:58 AM
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
thank you Colin, you've brought calm to my mind right now.
however you actually are aware of that it was killing scene, not eating? and that the victim was alive?
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 29, 2007, 12:50:51 AM
You know Gates it is possible for you to like something they do...jsut throwing it out there
I just said I don't mind them eating flesh, I'm just curious about the context with which it's shown.. ::)
Quote from: Gates on Nov 29, 2007, 12:52:49 AM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 29, 2007, 12:50:51 AM
You know Gates it is possible for you to like something they do...jsut throwing it out there
I just said I don't mind them eating flesh, I'm just curious about the context with which it's shown.. ::)
Then assumed the worst automatically....
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:44:58 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 12:32:22 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 12:28:40 AM
and also completly ignore that the Alien mouth is remotely designed to either eat or ingest after acid barfing.
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
what? There are no scenes in Alien 3 in which the alien actually eats anyone. period. So if you are saying, there will just be some mauling scenes with repetitive inner jaw strikes, that's a whole different thing altogether.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 12:54:03 AM
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Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 12:28:40 AM
and also completly ignore that the Alien mouth is remotely designed to either eat or ingest after acid barfing.
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
what? There are no scenes in Alien 3 in which the alien actually eats anyone. period. So if you are saying, there will just be some mauling scenes with repetitive inner jaw strikes, that's a whole different thing altogether.
I'll say it again.... maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, but a bit closer.
The scene in Alien 3 when they're running somewhere (I forget) and htey see the Alien munching on a dead guy. Then they run the other way. But seriously, we're freaking out because the Alien is eating... wtf?
Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 28, 2007, 11:26:18 PM
Golic was the one that said "feeds on minds". I dont know if Fincher confirmed the alien was eating brain matter. Anyone know?
I didnt have a problem with this idea, but then again, the film was much classier than what were getting here so...
First of all Golic was a deranged criminal, he most likely thought it "fed" on them because he saw the inner jaw strike someone's head, sending blood all over the place. From his perspective, he wouldn't have known that the alien wasn't actually eating its victim.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:55:44 AM
I'll say it again.... maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, but a bit closer.
jesus, what a relief. your brother scared a shit lot of me.
can't wait to see this on screen then and i oficially mark my thread as a big fu*king misunderstanding. That's great to hear this!
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 28, 2007, 09:05:30 PM
once again it looked more like ripping up the bodies to parts than eating. and belive me, they seem to gain pleasure from doing this (alien and lambert, anyone?)
so eating makes them animals but ripping up dead bodies doesn't
I swear you people just bitch cuz you saw aliens getting stomped in the trailer
They're just dumb bugs, remember?
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:55:44 AM
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Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 12:28:40 AM
and also completly ignore that the Alien mouth is remotely designed to either eat or ingest after acid barfing.
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
what? There are no scenes in Alien 3 in which the alien actually eats anyone. period. So if you are saying, there will just be some mauling scenes with repetitive inner jaw strikes, that's a whole different thing altogether.
I'll say it again.... maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, but a bit closer.
So what your saying is that your not claiming the alien "eats" anyone in the film, but simply attacks them repeatedly a la how the alien attacked dillon in alien 3?
Greg Strause says eating, twice.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 01:01:14 AM
Greg Strause says eating, twice.
Yea, and that's what I would call that scene from Alien3. You also could just call it a mauling since there is only blood involved, not huge chunks of meat. Both descriptions make sense.
If you guys aren't clear your going to get eaten alive...not mauled eaten
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 29, 2007, 01:04:22 AM
If you guys aren't clear your going to get eaten alive...not mauled eaten
haha :D
however thanks for clearing it up Colin. i guess everybody is perfectly fine with this way of portraying alien behaviour, leaves a way to many interpretations and damn i like it!
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 01:03:03 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 01:01:14 AM
Greg Strause says eating, twice.
Yea, and that's what I would call that scene from Alien3. You also could just call it a mauling since there is only blood involved, not huge chunks of meat. Both descriptions make sense.
But why use vague wording in terms of semantics here? If you know its not supposed to be actually "eating" why use that in interviews..etc., knowing it can easily be misconstrued?
If no aliens actually do literally eat people in the film, I actually see no problem here. You can cross it of the list of things wrong with the film. However if the script/plot actually tries to say the aliens are literally eating people's flesh to sustain themselves, then that is pretty absurd and unprecedented.
If its just people getting caught up in the semantics, then its just nothing to worry about then. false alarm.
I think that's happening to Tim O' Brien in the trailer. "RUNNNNN!" :D
aliens shouldnt eat, because that would mean they'd have to shit...and theres never been any evidence of xenodung in the previous movies. a bit of mauling is fine and dandy
Quotedon't think too many people actually paid too much attention to my comment. They eat people
How is that semantics?
Bite and eat are very simple often used words with completely different contexts.
is he talking about the scene where Dillion gets killed?
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 01:19:12 AM
Quotedon't think too many people actually paid too much attention to my comment. They eat people
How is that semantics?
Bite and eat are very simple often used words with completely different contexts.
"eat" is not the correct word, if food/matter ..etc. is not being consumed in order to sustain oneself. Everytime something is bitten, doesn't mean there is eating taking place.
Quotealiens shouldnt eat, because that would mean they'd have to shit...and theres never been any evidence of xenodung in the previous movies.
Never seen a hive?
aliens have intestines. no need to have a digestive system if they dont use it.
Quote from: marrerom on Nov 29, 2007, 01:51:35 AM
aliens have intestines. no need to have a digestive system if they dont use it.
It could be vestigial from human dna. And we never saw any intestines prior to alien resurrection, whos to say that the crossover of human dna didn't make the aliens slightly more human than the ones in "Aliens".
(The queen's phases prior to the secondary lifecycle were mostly unaffected however, so don't try to turn this argument around in other instances. ;)
we also don't know what they are, are they intestines or something else?
I don't see the problem with them eating. Keeping it ambiguous was better, but the Bros only use mystique to cover shitty creative decisions.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 01:53:41 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Nov 29, 2007, 01:51:35 AM
aliens have intestines. no need to have a digestive system if they dont use it.
It could be vestigial from human dna. And we never saw any intestines prior to alien resurrection, whos to say that the crossover of human dna didn't make the aliens slightly more human than the ones in "Aliens".
(The queen's phases prior to the secondary lifecycle were mostly unaffected however, so don't try to turn this argument around in other instances. ;)
It's obvious you don't want them to eat, but there's nothing to say they don't. and in fact the scene in alien 3 at least looks like eating. so if there's a similar scene in this movie, I don't understand what's the point of getting official word if they are eating or not.
The directors are not wrong if they call it eating, cause it can be taken either way.
If they do eat, it doesn't mean they
have to eat to grow. it can just be for added benefit or something. who knows.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:55:44 AM
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Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 12:32:22 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 12:28:40 AM
and also completly ignore that the Alien mouth is remotely designed to either eat or ingest after acid barfing.
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
what? There are no scenes in Alien 3 in which the alien actually eats anyone. period. So if you are saying, there will just be some mauling scenes with repetitive inner jaw strikes, that's a whole different thing altogether.
I'll say it again.... maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, but a bit closer.
i imagine you are talking about the scene where an alien get close to sigoney wever, and almost kisses her after a very poorly made CGI alien movement. right??
Quote from: ArielAleXCo on Nov 29, 2007, 04:20:35 AM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:55:44 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 12:54:03 AM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:44:58 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 12:32:22 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 12:28:40 AM
and also completly ignore that the Alien mouth is remotely designed to either eat or ingest after acid barfing.
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
what? There are no scenes in Alien 3 in which the alien actually eats anyone. period. So if you are saying, there will just be some mauling scenes with repetitive inner jaw strikes, that's a whole different thing altogether.
I'll say it again.... maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, but a bit closer.
i imagine you are talking about the scene where an alien get close to sigoney wever, and almost kisses her after a very poorly made CGI alien movement. right??
Actually that wasn't cgi, it was a rod-puppet.
Quote from: KidPresentable on Nov 28, 2007, 09:11:13 PM
OMG THEY EET???!! NO WAI!!!!!
Seriously, this has changed my view of the movie. It will suck. Dumb ass strause bros.
good, one less complainer in the theaters ruining the experience for everyone else. good riddence.
lol.
If it didn't need to feed in alien 3 why didn't it just claw them or headbite them? It's excessive knawing/biting. Seriously folks, your just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 04:34:10 AM
If it didn't need to feed in alien 3 why didn't it just claw them or headbite them? It's excessive knawing/biting. Seriously folks, your just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.
With a shitload of prisoners, excessive shots of one strike headbite kills via the inner jaw would get repetitive.
So he knaws of them as a comp out? If he really didn't care he wouldn't take the time to bite the shit out of them.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 04:51:41 AM
So he knaws of them as a comp out? If he really didn't care he wouldn't take the time to bite the shit out of them.
no.. from the audiences point of view it would get repetitive, you know seeing all the kills just be headbites. it was included in the film, to show variation of the kills.
Biting isn't repetitive? He does far more of this than anything.
The one in 'Alien 3' is not a great example. All the victims recovered from it are missing zero flesh, aside from any critical strikes.
Plus, all the cocooned victims in 'Aliens' are still fairly intact. The entire nest of creatures being around for that long should have consumed them all away to mere skeletons - of which, Cameron did actually have made up, but never filmed any of (to the best of my personal knowledge).
With that said, I have nothing against Aliens being depicted as being capable of consuming meat. It doesn't necessarily equate to it being a biological necessity and, judging by how active those in 'Aliens' still were, plus the Queen, that's unlikely. But still, they do have mouths and sets of teeth for some sort of reason.
I'd imagine the inner mouth is what might do the actual process of chewing and 'swallowing'.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 05:23:42 AM
Biting isn't repetitive? He does far more of this than anything.
well it came from a dog, so supposedly the aliens nature in that regard, was based on that. Plus there are plenty of headibites and tail swipe attacks in the film.
We don't know if they saved a few colonists in Aliens and put them in their 'food storage' area.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 05:27:04 AM
We don't know if they saved a few colonists in Aliens and put them in their 'food storage' area.
yeah we do know they didnt'. The aliens "food storage area" would equal the hive if infact they ate people.
Chestbursters never return to the host they burst out of to feed, which if they had to, would be a good source of meat. Implying they don't need to eat in order to grow into an adult alien. (at least not flesh from a person anyway)
I just think it's never really been addressed fully so people are afraid of it.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 05:30:45 AM
I just think it's never really been addressed fully so people are afraid of it.
it hasn't been addressed because you can't. How are you going to convey the fact that they don't eat people, onscreen, without having the characters somehow say it?
QuoteI just think it's never really been addressed fully so people are afraid of it.
People simply don't want every aspect of the Alien being reduced to the mundane.
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2007, 05:37:00 AM
QuoteI just think it's never really been addressed fully so people are afraid of it.
People simply don't want every aspect of the Alien being reduced to the mundane.
And because we don't know that they even do eat. Once its been established that they do, then talk about their excretory system would arise, and I for one, don't think the aliens have to shit let alone eat.
(no one ever stepped in alien shit in any of the films..yet they see the real traces of stuff they leave behind like the slime..etc., )
NO see the slime IS their shit.
EXTREME HARDCORE.
+1.
You've not noticed those "traces of stuff" they leave all over the walls of the AP station or the waste tank on the Auriga? Would this not be created by an excretory system?
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 05:41:41 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2007, 05:37:00 AM
QuoteI just think it's never really been addressed fully so people are afraid of it.
People simply don't want every aspect of the Alien being reduced to the mundane.
And because we don't know that they even do eat. Once its been established that they do, then talk about their excretory system would arise, and I for one, don't think the aliens have to shit let alone eat.
(no one ever stepped in alien shit in any of the films..yet they see the real traces of stuff they leave behind like the slime..etc., )
What do you think the hive is made of? Anything they secrete could be waste. And why do they kill some people, and take others alive?
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 05:46:09 AM
NO see the slime IS their shit.
EXTREME HARDCORE.
+1.
well, in all seriousness it might be how waste is removed from their bodies, but that doesn't make it shit. They don't have asses.. :D
It also doesn't mean they eat, they could receive their energy in other ways, like from the hive itself, maybe they are like a biological battery. Maybe they receive nutrients from the atmosphere and absorb it through the membranes on their head.
I can tell the future.
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I have nothing agaisnt the aliens eating. As long as we don't see them sitting down at a dinner table fork and knife over a corpse. But seriously, I just hope it isn't too..animal like. I mean I hope it isnt like a discovery channel documentary shot of a wolf eating a carcass. Its best left in the field of "Was it eating him?" Kinda giving that creepy feeling of uncertainty.
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I've always liked the old RPG theory that once they're fully grown they don't eat unless they need to heal or create hive resin.
Maybe the use the humans as 'spittle' just chew em up and make the hive out of bits of mashed up human (which would be totally hardcore).
I put forth the conducive reactive metabolism theory ages literally decades ago. Wherein zero point energy or good ol' fashioned electron stripping is used to maintain metastasis until you get holes blown in you and therefore need to eat stuff to grow new bits.
But nah, dumb bugs gnawing everything is much more extreme.
And the hive creation comes naturally whether they've ingested anything or not?
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 05:49:46 AM
It also doesn't mean they eat, they could receive their energy in other ways, like from the hive itself, maybe they are like a biological battery. Maybe they receive nutrients from the atmosphere and absorb it through the membranes on their head.
Why is it so bad that they eat people? In
Alien 3 the Alien was surely eating one of the inmates during the tunnel chase scene. It would make perfect sense that once 'hatched' a chestburster would eat some of the carcass of its host. Which could also feed adults in a hive setting. For the creature to even reproduce it needs a host, why not also use that host as a food source?
If the Alien relied on atmospheric components to survive it would most likely be bound to certain regions since the atmosphere of one planet varies greatly from another. Meaning it may not be able to adapt to each different environment as well. On the flip side, bursting from an organic host, the components of flesh, bone and connective tissue wouldn't vary quite as much. One would think, anyway.
Though did Leading Edge touch on that, I haven't read it ages.
I included that too, though it didn't rely on protein consumption. Though point of fact, didn't notice anything of the Nostromo that looked prechewed, unless the ore itself was viable.
Nah, there was REALLY FAT colonists at Hadley's Hope.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 05:48:04 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 05:41:41 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2007, 05:37:00 AM
QuoteI just think it's never really been addressed fully so people are afraid of it.
People simply don't want every aspect of the Alien being reduced to the mundane.
And because we don't know that they even do eat. Once its been established that they do, then talk about their excretory system would arise, and I for one, don't think the aliens have to shit let alone eat.
(no one ever stepped in alien shit in any of the films..yet they see the real traces of stuff they leave behind like the slime..etc., )
What do you think the hive is made of? Anything they secrete could be waste. And why do they kill some people, and take others alive?
allright, its go time. :D
I was planning on getting some sleep soon, but this is more important. ;D
The hive is made from broken down metals and non-organic material that has been dissolved and/or mixed with their saliva to form an adhesive type compound that when it dries it solidifies into a solid structure. Possibly parts of dead aliens are used to reinforce it, as well as anything they can find that would easily be mixed with that saliva.
They kill some because an alien not in a hive, must recognize that, and knows there are no eggs, thus no facehuggers for impregnation. Also because when they attack, they aren't thinking "hmmm..will this bite to the head, kill the person, i better not do that".
They most likely try to subdue the hosts, with little or no damage to them, but when people resist or kick and scream or fire weapons at them, I doubt they care if a few of them get killed in the process, when they have a shitload of potential hosts at their disposal.
Also in alien, the idea that hosts would be cocooned for impregnation via facehugger and taken alive was not invented by ridley scott. (although the hive and the cocoon resin were added by cameron based on what was seen in that film. The hive being the interior corridor of the jockey ship, and the resin from what was gluing brett and dallas in the directors cut)
Quoteanything they can find that would easily be mixed with that saliva.
Humans? If aliens can be used why not people?
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 06:00:36 AM
Quoteanything they can find that would easily be mixed with that saliva.
Humans? If aliens can be used why not people?
Because we've never seen them rip people's arms off, or tear at cocoon people and there's no reason to suspect that they would. Everywhere they've been had tons of metallic pipes, cables..etc. that they could easily use. Why would they have to resort to using mashed up people. I don't think they'd blend in with that in the hive. :D
(picture a hive with normal exoskeletal like solid structure to it that they can blend in with their ridged heads and all, then picture like human hands mixed in as if in mortar for brickbuilding)
QuoteThough did Leading Edge touch on that, I haven't read it ages.
Yeah. Eat when fully grown only to secrete hives and heal.
QuoteI included that too, though it didn't rely on protein consumption. Though point of fact, didn't notice anything of the Nostrmom that looked prechewed, unless the ore itself was viable.
Nothing obviously munched on. Don't even know if one could get to the ore.
QuoteNah, there was REALLY FAT colonists.
All the cholesterol in that company food, and precious little chance of exercise since Simpson and Lydecker had taken over the gym to make gonzo porn flicks (they NEVER do two takes).
Maybe their waste from eating is processed to work as its saliva? Sounds gross, but it makes sense..I guess. I highly doubt Aliens dispose of their waste they way earth animals do..for aliens everything seems to have its purpose, and I am sure this fits into that cycle one way or another.
Xenomorphs still have gushy innards like ours. Who knows, maybe a egg morphing process really mushes them up. I'm talking super mush. Chicken dosn't look like chicken when you super chew it and add lots of spit.
Quote from: demoncarnotaur on Nov 29, 2007, 06:07:53 AM
Maybe their waste from eating is processed to work as its saliva? Sounds gross, but it makes sense..I guess. I highly doubt Aliens dispose of their waste they way earth animals do..for aliens everything seems to have its purpose, and I am sure this fits into that cycle one way or another.
nice one, they are a perfect organism.
Quote from: Hicks on Nov 29, 2007, 05:58:55 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 05:49:46 AM
It also doesn't mean they eat, they could receive their energy in other ways, like from the hive itself, maybe they are like a biological battery. Maybe they receive nutrients from the atmosphere and absorb it through the membranes on their head.
Why is it so bad that they eat people? In Alien 3 the Alien was surely eating one of the inmates during the tunnel chase scene. It would make perfect sense that once 'hatched' a chestburster would eat some of the carcass of its host. Which could also feed adults in a hive setting. For the creature to even reproduce it needs a host, why not also use that host as a food source?
If the Alien relied on atmospheric components to survive it would most likely be bound to certain regions since the atmosphere of one planet varies greatly from another. Meaning it may not be able to adapt to each different environment as well. On the flip side, bursting from an organic host, the components of flesh, bone and connective tissue wouldn't vary quite as much. One would think, anyway.
in alien, the chestburster didn't feed on Kane while it was there after it burst out and there was no mention or indication that it returned to the corpse to feed or would even do so. In aliens all the cocooned victims, already dead via chestburster, seem otherwise intact, with only the gaping hole in their chest. And the marines arrived weeks after the initial loss of contact with hadley's hope. Implying in any of that time, the aliens if they needed to feed, would have done so.
Alien 3 never features eating, only really agressive, mauling. The idea behind it was because it came from a dog, that would utilize its mouth more so than say a person when attacking someone, that the alien had gained that instinctive trait via the dna reflex. More than one inner jaw bite, with blood all over the place does not equal eating. It seemed to be almost "playing" with the victims, but there is no evidence that they are being eaten.
Sure supt. andrews body was stolen, but so was bretts in the director's cut of alien, maybe it would have egg-morphed him. who knows, but once again there is zero evidence of an alien consuming any flesh from a person in any of the films. (the newborn being a possible exeption, but it was an abomination that had human dna anyway and had eyes, a normal tongue..etc., it might have had more of a human digestive system)
Well, the Alien in Alien 3 seemed to be chewing on bones and flesh, so apparently, punching brains with it's tongue is not enough nourishment.
But yeah, I think it's a given that the Aliens need to eat to survive. Why else would they have teeth like that? ::)
I don't know why this would be a "shock" to anyone here that the Aliens are able to digest
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2007, 06:07:01 AM
QuoteThough did Leading Edge touch on that, I haven't read it ages.
Yeah. Eat when fully grown only to secrete hives and heal.
QuoteI included that too, though it didn't rely on protein consumption. Though point of fact, didn't notice anything of the Nostromo that looked prechewed, unless the ore itself was viable.
Nothing obviously munched on. Don't even know if one could get to the ore.
QuoteNah, there was REALLY FAT colonists.
All the cholesterol in that company food, and precious little chance of exercise since Simpson and Lydecker had taken over the gym to make gonzo porn flicks (they NEVER do two takes).
That would certainly account for the amount of material found.
I mean there's now way an alien organism could have self sustaining hive growth based on reaggregating available carbon from walls and floors... that's CRAZY TALK.
I always preferred the idea of them not having to eat at all after gestation.
Maybe Greg was talking out of his ass on this one. I hope so. He seems to be the less alien savvy of the two.
It was stated before. But personally I wouldn't mind a chestburster ingesting some of its host to speed up its growth. I mean, while not cannon, they do this in AVP2 game.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 06:15:05 AM
It was stated before. But personally I wouldn't mind a chestburster ingesting some of its host to speed up its growth. I mean, while not cannon, they do this in AVP2 game.
I wouldn't mind it had the other films shown it. But everything that is known about the aliens seems to lead one to conclude that they don't have to eat their hosts, therefore people. They may eat something, but its clear they don't require lots of meat and have never eaten people in any of the films.
Getting bits of brain on the inner jaw when it retracts back into the mouth is incidental and not intentional. If the alien needed to eat that way, it would have utilzed more than one headbite on parker to get some more juicy, delicious brain, but instead it left the rest of it as well as his body, untouched.
There has never been a chestbursting scene where the alien sticks around. It runs off for fear of being destroyed in Alien, and gets uber flamed in Aliens.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 06:23:23 AM
There has never been a chestbursting scene where the alien sticks around. It runs off for fear of being destroyed in Alien, and gets uber flamed in Aliens.
but there were plenty of offscreen chestbursts out of the colonists and the bodies of the hosts of those chestbursters have no teeth marks in them.
True, but they might have just chilled inside and ate their innards.
Here is something from the comics about the hive building and although the comics may be non-canon, I don't think this idea is that far-fetched.
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QuoteAlien 3 never features eating, only really agressive, mauling.
BS. you don't know that. You like to think it's not, but the fact is we don't know what it's doing, and it sure seems like it is eating.
You can't just take ambiguous parts of films, and say your opinion is fact.
You say its just playing with its victim? So what is it taking on personality traits of the dog? now that's some shit.
Maybe the predalien should be cocky at times?
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 06:34:17 AM
True, but they might have just chilled inside and ate their innards.
Never seen a hollowed out body to date.
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 06:39:10 AM
QuoteAlien 3 never features eating, only really agressive, mauling.
BS. you don't know that. You like to think it's not, but the fact is we don't know what it's doing, and it sure seems like it is eating.
You can't just take ambiguous parts of films, and say your opinion is fact.
You say its just playing with its victim? So what is it taking on personality traits of the dog? now that's some shit.
Maybe the predalien should be cocky at times?
Guess you haven't seen the hospital clip then.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 06:34:17 AM
True, but they might have just chilled inside and ate their innards.
I doubt it. They'd be off shedding that skin.(you know what murphy picks up in alien 3) and within a few hours they'd be adult aliens. So there's not much time to "chill" inside a dead host.
Most likley, just saying that i don't think its to far fetched for aliens to eat people/use them for hive structure.
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 06:39:10 AM
QuoteAlien 3 never features eating, only really agressive, mauling.
BS. you don't know that. You like to think it's not, but the fact is we don't know what it's doing, and it sure seems like it is eating.
You can't just take ambiguous parts of films, and say your opinion is fact.
You say its just playing with its victim? So what is it taking on personality traits of the dog? now that's some shit.
Maybe the predalien should be cocky at times?
the predalien has f**king dreadlocks from the predator and even some of that "freckling" on the skin that predators have but that's not ridiculous? Oh no, a basic behavior related to the host being a dog, which is relevant to actually attacking someone rather than say playing fetch or doggy styling someone, oh no, that's impossible. ::)
By the way i said it
seems as if it was sort of playing with its victims, but we do know whatever it was doing, didn't look like eating and wouldn't fit logically with what we've seen of them in any other film.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 06:42:53 AM
Most likley, just saying that i don't think its to far fetched for aliens to eat people/use them for hive structure.
who says they have to eat people, if they did use their bodies to reinforce the hive? They could just drool their saliva with some acidic properties of their blood onto the dead body and dissolve it down into usable bits as opposed to having to injest and digest bits of them.
Also the only reason they were using some other species from their homeworld in that comic panel, is most likely because there are no bits of metal,.etc. things which can easily reinforce their hives, since those are artificial things. When you've got a spaceship or colony you've got plenty of shit to work with if you're an alien.
I never said they had to completely ingest, spitting out works. Tearing chunks, spitting/dissolving it and using it.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 06:47:40 AM
I never said they had to completely ingest, spitting out works. Tearing chunks, spitting/dissolving it and using it.
eating implies ingesting bits of food and digesting it in their stomach. Just chewing on stuff isn't eating. No one would say they eat bubble gum..etc.
Throw up? Sorry but ingesting is the best way to describe it.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 06:52:19 AM
Throw up? Sorry but ingesting is the best way to describe it.
what I'm saying is that they don't necessarily need to have any bits of flesh in their mouth in order to turn it into something workable to reinforce the hive walls if it came down to that, which unless there was a shortage of building material, would not.
I would think at least on earth that humans would be the 'building' materials. I'm not saying thats what they always use and their main use, just something that helps the process along.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 06:43:33 AM
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 06:39:10 AM
QuoteAlien 3 never features eating, only really agressive, mauling.
BS. you don't know that. You like to think it's not, but the fact is we don't know what it's doing, and it sure seems like it is eating.
You can't just take ambiguous parts of films, and say your opinion is fact.
You say its just playing with its victim? So what is it taking on personality traits of the dog? now that's some shit.
Maybe the predalien should be cocky at times?
the predalien has f**king dreadlocks from the predator and even some of that "freckling" on the skin that predators have but that's not ridiculous? Oh no, a basic behavior related to the host being a dog, which is relevant to actually attacking someone rather than say playing fetch or doggy styling someone, oh no, that's impossible. ::)
By the way i said it seems as if it was sort of playing with its victims, but we do know whatever it was doing, didn't look like eating and wouldn't fit logically with what we've seen of them in any other film.
It's just funny how you are selective with whats possible and not. If the dog alien can have personality traits from its host, then why not others? which is what you're implying. maybe a bull alien rams its victims?
Fact is, we don't know what it was doing, but it Does look like its eating. And Alien 3 is obviously not unfallible, so just because you think aliens haven't had a tendacy to eat previously, doesn't mean that's not whats portrayed in alien 3.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 06:57:00 AM
I would think at least on earth that humans would be the 'building' materials. I'm not saying thats what they always use and their main use, just something that helps the process along.
They could be, if necessary but considering that the hospital has got wiring, power generators etc., (considering that, the power could have been cut in Aliens due to acquisition of more hive material to expand the hive for the influx of more hosts, as opposed to being a deliberate act. Although it could have been, due to the aliens preferring darkness, which would resemble the atsmosphere of their homeplanet.)
But even if they use people, it doesn't mean the aliens eat any portion of them to do it. They would just dissolve whatever bits they needed and mix it with their saliva and glue it to the walls.
They have do it with their mouths. If a passerby saw an alien biting a humans body vigorously it would look something along the lines of eating. I mean humans perceive this creatures as monstrous and alien, so when they see a 'mauling' going on whos to say the don't think it's eating? Or even the audience? People are fighting over the dogalien and if it was just mauling or actually eating.
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 06:58:43 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 06:43:33 AM
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 06:39:10 AM
QuoteAlien 3 never features eating, only really agressive, mauling.
BS. you don't know that. You like to think it's not, but the fact is we don't know what it's doing, and it sure seems like it is eating.
You can't just take ambiguous parts of films, and say your opinion is fact.
You say its just playing with its victim? So what is it taking on personality traits of the dog? now that's some shit.
Maybe the predalien should be cocky at times?
the predalien has f**king dreadlocks from the predator and even some of that "freckling" on the skin that predators have but that's not ridiculous? Oh no, a basic behavior related to the host being a dog, which is relevant to actually attacking someone rather than say playing fetch or doggy styling someone, oh no, that's impossible. ::)
By the way i said it seems as if it was sort of playing with its victims, but we do know whatever it was doing, didn't look like eating and wouldn't fit logically with what we've seen of them in any other film.
It's just funny how you are selective with whats possible and not. If the dog alien can have personality traits from its host, then why not others? which is what you're implying. maybe a bull alien rams its victims?
Fact is, we don't know what it was doing, but it Does look like its eating. And Alien 3 is obviously not unfallible, so just because you think aliens haven't had a tendacy to eat previously, doesn't mean that's not whats portrayed in alien 3.
I never argued it got any traits of "playfullness" from the dog. :D
Only the instinct to use its teeth more than a human born alien, when attacking. After all the mouth was a little different than the aliens in previous films. If a bull alien had horns I'm sure it would use them. However the ox-burster in the special edition of alien 3 did not. (which makes you wonder why the predalien has dreadlocks, even if they are a skeletal-like solid structure)
But even in alien 3, there is no clear cut evidence that proves it ate anyone. Its only speculation, based on it looming over a prisoner and repeatedly tearing into him.
Which leaves no definitive reasoning and thus can open up the subject of aliens eating in AVP-R.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 07:05:06 AM
They have do it with their mouths. If a passerby saw an alien biting a humans body vigorously it would look something along the lines of eating. I mean humans perceive this creatures as monstrous and alien, so when they see a 'mauling' going on whos to say the don't think it's eating? Or even the audience? People are fighting over the dogalien and if it was just mauling or actually eating.
No one said they have to bite the body to make it usable to reinforce the hive. No one said that the alien in alien 3 was doing such a thing either. It was neither prepping material for the hive or eating. It was killing perceived threats, that might otherwise endanger the queen that would be born from Ripley.
So it didn't need to cocoon people instinctively for impregnation, when it knew a queen was on the way. It was merely paving the path for it, making sure any potential hostile members of the foreign species known as homo sapiens, from its perspective anyway, would not threaten the birth of its queen.
So it was pretty motivated and prepared to kill. So it could have been making damn sure the victims are dead, as opposed to what we've seen of them in the first two films, which hosts were used for egg-morphing, and for hosts for chestburster embryos. One situation not having a queen, the other having one already, and thus in both instances no need to kill everything it contacts to protect a queen still in a host.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 07:06:52 AM
Which leaves no definitive reasoning and thus can open up the subject of aliens eating in AVP-R.
however the other films, provide scenarios which would contradict the need to feed theory. ;D
There were plenty of opportunities for dead hosts and dead bodies to be used as food in the other films, but the aliens never resort to that. Like I said in Aliens, no evidence of food storage being rummaged, no hamsters eaten, no dead colonists eaten. (and you see some of them cocooned and dead in the hive in the film)
In Aien jonesy wasn't eaten. The alien had no use for it at all. But i suppose it wasn't hungry. ::)
Even in alien resurrection, live cocoon hosts are left there even after the queen began her secondary reproductive cycle, yet the aliens felt no need to feed off them, even though they were no longer needed at that point as hosts.
Also in the first avp, the queen is left in the pyramid from 1904 (possibly earlier?) and obviously ate nothing in that time, so if aliens had to eat, she would have starved.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 05:48:04 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 05:41:41 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2007, 05:37:00 AM
QuoteI just think it's never really been addressed fully so people are afraid of it.
People simply don't want every aspect of the Alien being reduced to the mundane.
And because we don't know that they even do eat. Once its been established that they do, then talk about their excretory system would arise, and I for one, don't think the aliens have to shit let alone eat.
(no one ever stepped in alien shit in any of the films..yet they see the real traces of stuff they leave behind like the slime..etc., )
What do you think the hive is made of? Anything they secrete could be waste. And why do they kill some people, and take others alive?
wasnt it for the hive puposes?... like in the first comic where they take the guys to be facehugged? (im not really an alien fan. XDD jajaja)
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 07:06:52 AM
Which leaves no definitive reasoning and thus can open up the subject of aliens eating in AVP-R.
Exactly. Especially because the scenes in alien 3 would have you believe it's eating. That is the normal assumption. I mean seriously, just look at the scene.
And just because aliens eat doesn't mean they have to eat. so instances when they have the opportunity to eat and don't, is not evidence for them not eating ever.
QuoteI never argued it got any traits of "playfullness" from the dog alien.
And I wouldn't call 'playfullness' a normal trait for aliens, so you are implying it's more related to the dog alien. :D
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 07:19:16 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 07:06:52 AM
Which leaves no definitive reasoning and thus can open up the subject of aliens eating in AVP-R.
Exactly. Especially because the scenes in alien 3 would have you believe it's eating. That is the normal assumption. I mean seriously, just look at the scene.
And just because aliens eat doesn't mean they have to eat. so instances when they have the opportunity to eat and don't, is not evidence for them not eating ever.
QuoteI never argued it got any traits of "playfullness" from the dog alien.
And I wouldn't call 'playfullness' a normal trait for aliens, so you are implying it's more related to the dog alien. :D
oh shit, i meant from the dog.^
I never said it was playful. :D Only that it looked like it was enjoying the mauling of certain prisoners.
Sure to the average mover goer it would
appear as if the alien in alien 3 was eating them. But those who saw the first two films and know at least more about the aliens than the average movie goer, will know that its not actually eating them in that film.
Quote from: brad873 on Nov 28, 2007, 09:03:59 PM
they ate in alien 3. im sure they have a way of eating
Yeah,the runner eated.
anyway alien 3 is not a viable reference to use as supposed evidence that the aliens actually, literally eat people. There are instances even in that film where dead prisoners are just left there after being killed. That one black guy towards the beginning of the film, as well as the other guy with him and golic were both killed and the bodies were left there.
When they are running from it, in the leadworks, some of them are just headbitten or ripped apart, that one guy who was holding the scissors just seemed to "explode" in a gory mess. But yet no eating.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 07:23:16 AM
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 07:19:16 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 07:06:52 AM
Which leaves no definitive reasoning and thus can open up the subject of aliens eating in AVP-R.
Exactly. Especially because the scenes in alien 3 would have you believe it's eating. That is the normal assumption. I mean seriously, just look at the scene.
And just because aliens eat doesn't mean they have to eat. so instances when they have the opportunity to eat and don't, is not evidence for them not eating ever.
QuoteI never argued it got any traits of "playfullness" from the dog alien.
And I wouldn't call 'playfullness' a normal trait for aliens, so you are implying it's more related to the dog alien. :D
oh shit, i meant from the dog.^
I never said it was playful. :D Only that it looked like it was enjoying the mauling of certain prisoners.
Sure to the average mover goer it would appear as if the alien in alien 3 was eating them. But those who saw the first two films and know at least more about the aliens than the average movie goer, will know that its not actually eating them in that film.
Playing with its victims is what you said, in a way which would seem to be only from the dog alien so again, same implication.
And the 'average' movie-goer excuse is lame. It's never shown or even brought up that they don't eat at least for some added benefit or whatever reason. So how would anyone know? If it isn;t addressed explicitly, and then in alien 3 theres a scene which appears to be eating, it's not wrong to think it's eating for some reason.
you just don't want it to be so you resort to saying that alien fans would know it's not eating.
Obviously they don't have to eat to sustain themselves, otherwise they'd do it more. but that's not to say they don't do it for some unknown reason or benefit. so the fact that they don't eat everything in sight is not useful.
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 07:41:10 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 07:23:16 AM
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 07:19:16 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 07:06:52 AM
Which leaves no definitive reasoning and thus can open up the subject of aliens eating in AVP-R.
Exactly. Especially because the scenes in alien 3 would have you believe it's eating. That is the normal assumption. I mean seriously, just look at the scene.
And just because aliens eat doesn't mean they have to eat. so instances when they have the opportunity to eat and don't, is not evidence for them not eating ever.
QuoteI never argued it got any traits of "playfullness" from the dog alien.
And I wouldn't call 'playfullness' a normal trait for aliens, so you are implying it's more related to the dog alien. :D
oh shit, i meant from the dog.^
I never said it was playful. :D Only that it looked like it was enjoying the mauling of certain prisoners.
Sure to the average mover goer it would appear as if the alien in alien 3 was eating them. But those who saw the first two films and know at least more about the aliens than the average movie goer, will know that its not actually eating them in that film.
Playing with its victims is what you said, in a way which would seem to be only from the dog alien so again, same implication.
And the 'average' movie-goer excuse is lame. It's never shown or even brought up that they don't eat at least for some added benefit or whatever reason. So how would anyone know? If it isn;t addressed explicitly, and then in alien 3 theres a scene which appears to be eating, it's not wrong to think it's eating for some reason.
you just don't want it to be so you resort to saying that alien fans would know it's not eating.
Obviously they don't have to eat to sustain themselves, otherwise they'd do it more. but that's not to say they don't do it for some unknown reason or benefit. so the fact that they don't eat everything in sight is not useful.
Even if they have to eat, and that's not even established, it wouldn't mean they have to eat people, or even organic matter. They could dissolve bits of metal..etc., they are supposedly biomechanical, or at least were intended to be around the time of the first film. Even if that isn't the case, there still remains no evidence that any human being was ever eaten by any alien in any alien film. (newborn biting off gediman's skull is moot, its a genetic abberation, and even then, we don't know it wasn't just intended to be "cool" looking kill as opposed to eating)
So here's where this debate resides:
- there is no evidence in any of the alien films to back up the idea that they eat their hosts/people.
-There are examples of potential food sources ignored, all throughout the other films.
-they are aliens, and its a sci-fi film, in which a lot of things about them couldn't happen with a realistic organism. the growing to adulthood within a mere hour or two of the chestburster phase. and so on. ..so its not far-fetched to say that they don't need to eat, breathe or do anything conventional to sustain themselves. The other films tend to back that idea up, with all the instances of the aliens being in space, or not eating the bodies of the dead.
-alien 3 has proof
-True
- Assumption, not fact
And the debate that he is eating them is an assumption, which still leaves open AVP-R eating.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 29, 2007, 07:52:35 AM
-alien 3 has proof
-True
- Assumption, not fact
And the debate that he is eating them is an assumption, which still leaves open AVP-R eating.
where in alien 3 is there proof that bits of flesh are being ripped from a prisoner and being injested by the alien as opposed to a succession of inner jaw bites? If there is no proof of that, then there's no proof of eating.
and as for the third statement, it is a logical assumption, with no reason to suspect it wouldn't be the case. Nothing in the films establishes that they have to eat, or breathe oxygen..etc.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 07:48:45 AM
So here's where this debate resides:
- there is no evidence in any of the alien films to back up the idea that they eat their hosts/people.
-There are examples of potential food sources ignored, all throughout the other films.
-they are aliens, and its a sci-fi film, in which a lot of things about them couldn't happen with a realistic organism. the growing to adulthood within a mere hour or two of the chestburster phase. and so on. ..so its not far-fetched to say that they don't need to eat, breathe or do anything conventional to sustain themselves. The other films tend to back that idea up, with all the instances of the aliens being in space, or not eating the bodies of the dead.
So either the dog alien is eating its victim at one point for some unknown reason, or its in fact mauling and 'playing' with its victim, as you said. Which I'd say is fairly different than what we've seen from other aliens. and so your implying its an inherited behavioral trait from the dog? each alien type acts differently then? according to how the host species acts?
So then say the alien needs to absorb some material/substance to either "eat" and grow, or at least to help make the hive structure. what's wrong with it eating humans as part of that process.
So an ambiguous scene where an alien 'appears' to be eating a human like in Alien 3, is not incorrect because there's no way to know what the purpose is.
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 08:00:30 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 07:48:45 AM
So here's where this debate resides:
- there is no evidence in any of the alien films to back up the idea that they eat their hosts/people.
-There are examples of potential food sources ignored, all throughout the other films.
-they are aliens, and its a sci-fi film, in which a lot of things about them couldn't happen with a realistic organism. the growing to adulthood within a mere hour or two of the chestburster phase. and so on. ..so its not far-fetched to say that they don't need to eat, breathe or do anything conventional to sustain themselves. The other films tend to back that idea up, with all the instances of the aliens being in space, or not eating the bodies of the dead.
So either the dog alien is eating its victim at one point for some unknown reason, or its in fact mauling and 'playing' with its victim, as you said. Which I'd say is fairly different than what we've seen from other aliens. and so your implying its an inherited behavioral trait from the dog? each alien type acts differently then? according to how the host species acts?
So then say the alien needs to absorb some material/substance to either "eat" and grow, or at least to help make the hive structure. what's wrong with it eating humans as part of that process.
So an ambiguous scene where an alien 'appears' to be eating a human like in Alien 3, is not incorrect because there's no way to know what the purpose is.
Its not actually "playing" with that one prisoner, will you drop that notion. It was only a reference.
Also there is still no reason to believe the alien was eating anyone in that film. Unless you saw pieces of flesh torn from any of the prisoners and into the aliens mouth, then down its esophagus into its stomach, there is no way you can claim there was anything of the sort taking place.
The previous films, give no indication that the alien's behavior in alien 3 was due to it eating anyone. Sure it behaved and moved differently due to it being born from a dog, a la the dna reflex thing, which is canon by the way as much as I thought alien 3 was somewhat subpar by alien film standards, but it never clearly ate anything.
Also its not established that it has to "asborb" anything to create the hive structure.
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 06:58:43 AM
Fact is, we don't know what it was doing, but it Does look like its eating. And Alien 3 is obviously not unfallible, so just because you think aliens haven't had a tendacy to eat previously, doesn't mean that's not whats portrayed in alien 3.
please, take your quadrilogy disc 5 and rewatch the scene. Continuos biting the head of living victim look to you like eating?
If he is eating, why he is attacking the skull, instead of biting anywhere the body? The explanation is really easy. It's just killing the trait till it stops giving signs of life.
p.s. also listening to the commentary of other 'eating' scenes might be helpful for you.
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 08:11:21 AM
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 06:58:43 AM
Fact is, we don't know what it was doing, but it Does look like its eating. And Alien 3 is obviously not unfallible, so just because you think aliens haven't had a tendacy to eat previously, doesn't mean that's not whats portrayed in alien 3.
please, take your quadrilogy disc 5 and rewatch the scene. Continuos biting the head of living victim look to you like eating?
If he is eating, why he is attacking the skull, instead of biting anywhere the body? The explanation is really easy. It's just killing the trait till it stops giving signs of life.
p.s. also listening to the commentary of other 'eating' scenes might be helpful for you.
finally, someone agrees here. ;D
Its like I said before, the alien from the dog was more aggressive in its attacks and was motivated by the need to protect the queen it sensed in Ripley therefore felt the need to make damn sure that all potential threats were indeed dead, meaning more headbites than normal and quite gory kills to ensure death.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 08:14:18 AM
Its like I said before, the alien from the dog was more aggressive in its attacks and was motivated by the need to protect the queen it sensed in Ripley therefore felt the need to make damn sure that all potential threats were indeed dead, meaning more headbites than normal and quite gory kills to ensure death.
yeha, plus sicko-factor level automatically increased. Attacking the head is very guesome and very scary. Alien can chop of your hand or leg, but it will be ok, you can live as a handicap person then. But major brain damage is something, from what you will never recover. And that's really terryfying.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 08:04:46 AM
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 08:00:30 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 07:48:45 AM
So here's where this debate resides:
- there is no evidence in any of the alien films to back up the idea that they eat their hosts/people.
-There are examples of potential food sources ignored, all throughout the other films.
-they are aliens, and its a sci-fi film, in which a lot of things about them couldn't happen with a realistic organism. the growing to adulthood within a mere hour or two of the chestburster phase. and so on. ..so its not far-fetched to say that they don't need to eat, breathe or do anything conventional to sustain themselves. The other films tend to back that idea up, with all the instances of the aliens being in space, or not eating the bodies of the dead.
So either the dog alien is eating its victim at one point for some unknown reason, or its in fact mauling and 'playing' with its victim, as you said. Which I'd say is fairly different than what we've seen from other aliens. and so your implying its an inherited behavioral trait from the dog? each alien type acts differently then? according to how the host species acts?
So then say the alien needs to absorb some material/substance to either "eat" and grow, or at least to help make the hive structure. what's wrong with it eating humans as part of that process.
So an ambiguous scene where an alien 'appears' to be eating a human like in Alien 3, is not incorrect because there's no way to know what the purpose is.
Its not actually "playing" with that one prisoner, will you drop that notion. It was only a reference.
Also there is still no reason to believe the alien was eating anyone in that film. Unless you saw pieces of flesh torn from any of the prisoners and into the aliens mouth, then down its esophagus into its stomach, there is no way you can claim there was anything of the sort taking place.
The previous films, give no indication that the alien's behavior in alien 3 was due to it eating anyone. Sure it behaved and moved differently due to it being born from a dog, a la the dna reflex thing, which is canon by the way as much as I thought alien 3 was somewhat subpar by alien film standards, but it never clearly ate anything.
Also its not established that it has to "asborb" anything to create the hive structure.
Ugh, it's rediculous to ask for the movie to show the food being digested.
Nothing you just said would make a scene in this film similar to the alien 3 eating or mauling scene, out of place. Everything you listed is left ambiguous or unknown so such a scene doesn't do any wrong.
I tend to think the most it does is dispel some mystery, but who's to say it will be any more detailed than the alien 3 scene.
'Mauling' I would consider a pretty drastic behavioral difference than other aliens btw. and whats the difference between biting the head or say the chest. its not like it takes a bunch of headbites to kill someone.
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 08:22:51 AM
I tend to think the most it does is dispel some mystery, but who's to say it will be any more detailed than the alien 3 scene.
Colin already said it won't be, so i'm ok with that, as long as 'eating' will be headbiting living person filmed from the distance, like in a3.
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 08:22:51 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 08:04:46 AM
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 08:00:30 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 07:48:45 AM
So here's where this debate resides:
- there is no evidence in any of the alien films to back up the idea that they eat their hosts/people.
-There are examples of potential food sources ignored, all throughout the other films.
-they are aliens, and its a sci-fi film, in which a lot of things about them couldn't happen with a realistic organism. the growing to adulthood within a mere hour or two of the chestburster phase. and so on. ..so its not far-fetched to say that they don't need to eat, breathe or do anything conventional to sustain themselves. The other films tend to back that idea up, with all the instances of the aliens being in space, or not eating the bodies of the dead.
So either the dog alien is eating its victim at one point for some unknown reason, or its in fact mauling and 'playing' with its victim, as you said. Which I'd say is fairly different than what we've seen from other aliens. and so your implying its an inherited behavioral trait from the dog? each alien type acts differently then? according to how the host species acts?
So then say the alien needs to absorb some material/substance to either "eat" and grow, or at least to help make the hive structure. what's wrong with it eating humans as part of that process.
So an ambiguous scene where an alien 'appears' to be eating a human like in Alien 3, is not incorrect because there's no way to know what the purpose is.
Its not actually "playing" with that one prisoner, will you drop that notion. It was only a reference.
Also there is still no reason to believe the alien was eating anyone in that film. Unless you saw pieces of flesh torn from any of the prisoners and into the aliens mouth, then down its esophagus into its stomach, there is no way you can claim there was anything of the sort taking place.
The previous films, give no indication that the alien's behavior in alien 3 was due to it eating anyone. Sure it behaved and moved differently due to it being born from a dog, a la the dna reflex thing, which is canon by the way as much as I thought alien 3 was somewhat subpar by alien film standards, but it never clearly ate anything.
Also its not established that it has to "asborb" anything to create the hive structure.
Ugh, it's rediculous to ask for the movie to show the food being digested.
Nothing you just said would make a scene in this film similar to the alien 3 eating or mauling scene, out of place. Everything you listed is left ambiguous or unknown so such a scene doesn't do any wrong.
I tend to think the most it does is dispel some mystery, but who's to say it will be any more detailed than the alien 3 scene.
'Mauling' I would consider a pretty drastic behavioral difference than other aliens btw. and whats the difference between biting the head or say the chest. its not like it takes a bunch of headbites to kill someone.
If the alien was eating, it would bite places other than the head. Since when does only the head have viable flesh?
Its pretty damn clear its just killing the guy for f**k's sake. At the very least, it cannot serve as evidence that aliens eat people. That combined with the fact that dead hosts or live people are not ever eaten in any other film, tends to verify that the alien in the third film didn't eat anyone either. Just because it was a dog alien, it wouldn't give it that drastically of a new behavior, being more aggressive and using its teeth more is one thing, actually consuming flesh is another thing completely.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 08:26:55 AM
If the alien was eating, it would bite places other than the head. So when does only the head has viable flesh?
Its pretty damn clear its just killing the guy for f**k's sake.
yeah that was the first thought of mine during that scene, it was so obviously clear that now i'm really shocked that some people thinks it was eating, when clearly it was tearing LIVING guys head to shreds, and right after killing him attacked next trait.
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 08:30:29 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 08:26:55 AM
If the alien was eating, it would bite places other than the head. So when does only the head has viable flesh?
Its pretty damn clear its just killing the guy for f**k's sake.
yeah that was the first thought of mine during that scene, it was so obviously clear that now i'm really shocked that some people thinks it was eating, when clearly it was tearing LIVING guys head to shreds, and right after killing him attacked next trait.
Apparently some people have seen the family guy episode where the alien is talking about eating people and they have taken it literally, as if Seth McFarlane is the expert on the films.(Although I don't think he did that episode, or at least not of it anyway, it could have been fox's bullshit) ;D
So, if nothing further, I will now get some sleep. I can't believe I had to argue with people, in order for them to realize that aliens don't actually eat people. (and these people call themselves fans, its just sad really.) :-[
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 08:25:54 AM
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 08:22:51 AM
I tend to think the most it does is dispel some mystery, but who's to say it will be any more detailed than the alien 3 scene.
Colin already said it won't be, so i'm ok with that, as long as 'eating' will be headbiting living person filmed from the distance, like in a3.
Yeah it's not defined, so all i'm saying is when one of the directors says 'eating', he can, because it's not shown to be false. It's open. aka it's not a big deal.
QuoteIts pretty damn clear its just killing the guy for f**k's sake. At the very least, it cannot serve as evidence that aliens eat people.
And I never said aliens eat to sustain. But to say that there's proof that aliens won't eat for some reason, is wrong cause there is no proof against it, just circumstance and ambiguous scenes.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 08:38:07 AM
I can't believe I had to argue with people, in order for them to realize that aliens don't actually eat people. (and these people call themselves fans, its just sad really.) :-[
::) haha no.
And your definition of fan is really limited.
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2007, 11:15:51 PM
QuoteIts so funny how some people bash the directors for ideas that doesnt make sense in their view because of the "canon" .. yes .. the canon which they read on fansites that is nothing official ..
f**k me you're an ignorant tool.
Why i am ignorant?
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:44:58 AM
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
Yay .. i maybe know which scene .. WATCH the Red Band Trailer ... The scene where tim o brien get attacked through the window .. the Alien is doing the same stuff like it did in Alien 3 with the prisoner .. and that looks like eating .. but you dont clearly see it .. nice!
@ Ballzanya
Stop talking BS ^^ ... You think your opinion is fact .. how ridiculous ::)! You makes me laugh everytime ...
greetz
It'd be nice to see someone with Fincher's mentality on the monster back; we should never really know what the hell it's doing.
But we do now :(
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 08:38:07 AM
So, if nothing further, I will now get some sleep. I can't believe I had to argue with people, in order for them to realize that aliens don't actually eat people. (and these people call themselves fans, its just sad really.) :-[
You say they don't eat as a fact. No one has said they agree with you. People have said it's implied, or its suggested but they may or may not. So you are alone in your stance as a "fan".
Quote from: gases on Nov 29, 2007, 08:58:33 AM
You say they don't eat as a fact. No one has said they agree with you. People have said it's implied, or its suggested but they may or may not. So you are alone in your stance as a "fan".
no, he's not, i'm sure they don't eat in any movie from saga. that scene from a3 isn't 'suggesting' eating for me in any way.
Ok but u didn't say that before now, so my argument is valid.
Quote from: gases on Nov 29, 2007, 09:03:02 AM
Ok but u didn't say that before now, so my argument is valid.
i didn't? i'm pretty sure i did several times ;)
hehe carelessness on my behalf. However, the point still remains that ballzanya assumes and insinuates that you cannot be a "fan" if you believe aliens eat. Which is wrong and presumptuous when it is heavily hinted at in the movie.
Quote from: gases on Nov 29, 2007, 09:07:35 AM
hehe carelessness on my behalf.
;)
Quote from: gases on Nov 29, 2007, 09:07:35 AM
However, the point still remains that ballzanya assumes and insinuates that you cannot be a "fan" if you believe aliens eat.
I think he still had in mind that scene from a3, which clearly isn't eating, which interpretation many people here try to force.
Quote from: Robotpo on Nov 28, 2007, 09:25:32 PM
I hope to god if anyone ever does another movie with aliens, they ignore all this Strause Bros. bullshit and just give us the Xenomorphs we know and love.
well what is the Xenomorphs that you all know and love?
ffs dam alien fans always got something to bitch about
im sure there somethings wrong with the predators in this movie but you hear predators bitching? no
im a fan of both movies....ffs its a dam movie go and enjoy it and if you dont like it cause of stupied things...then go make your own dam movie
Quote from: MartyPredator on Nov 29, 2007, 09:19:28 AM
Quote from: Robotpo on Nov 28, 2007, 09:25:32 PM
I hope to god if anyone ever does another movie with aliens, they ignore all this Strause Bros. bullshit and just give us the Xenomorphs we know and love.
well what is the Xenomorphs that you all know and love?
ffs dam alien fans always got something to bitch about
im sure there somethings wrong with the predators in this movie but you hear predators bitching? no
im a fan of both movies....ffs its a dam movie go and enjoy it and if you dont like it cause of stupied things...then go make your own dam movie
Amen!
I'm sick of all this whining and bitching posts from the same people ... the "real" big alien fans, you know ...
stay home and watch your first alien movie all the time! Press the Pause button when you see biomechanical alien and be happy ... when you have nothing more to do than bitching on EVERY detail of this movie ... stay away .. -.-
greetz
Quote from: MartyPredator on Nov 29, 2007, 09:19:28 AM
Quote from: Robotpo on Nov 28, 2007, 09:25:32 PM
I hope to god if anyone ever does another movie with aliens, they ignore all this Strause Bros. bullshit and just give us the Xenomorphs we know and love.
well what is the Xenomorphs that you all know and love?
ffs dam alien fans always got something to bitch about
im sure there somethings wrong with the predators in this movie but you hear predators bitching? no
im a fan of both movies....ffs its a dam movie go and enjoy it and if you dont like it cause of stupied things...then go make your own dam movie
I would very much like to.
Aliens eating humans, what's wrong with it? I played Alien vs. Predator 2 game as an Alien, I kill and head-bite soldiers to gain health, what's the difference?
So you're all saying is that all monsters eat humans are zombies? How lovely, I am not an Alien fan so forgive me if my opinion here is incoherent. But my opinions on Aliens are based on games, and tell me what is wrong with Aliens feasting on humans. It's what they do based on instincts unlike Predators who have a code of honor.
I am crossing my fingers right now and expecting fireworks on me.
Quote from: $cHm0cK on Nov 29, 2007, 09:36:21 AM
Quote from: MartyPredator on Nov 29, 2007, 09:19:28 AM
Quote from: Robotpo on Nov 28, 2007, 09:25:32 PM
I hope to god if anyone ever does another movie with aliens, they ignore all this Strause Bros. bullshit and just give us the Xenomorphs we know and love.
well what is the Xenomorphs that you all know and love?
ffs dam alien fans always got something to bitch about
im sure there somethings wrong with the predators in this movie but you hear predators bitching? no
im a fan of both movies....ffs its a dam movie go and enjoy it and if you dont like it cause of stupied things...then go make your own dam movie
Amen!
I'm sick of all this whining and bitching posts from the same people ... the "real" big alien fans, you know ...
stay home and watch your first alien movie all the time! Press the Pause button when you see biomechanical alien and be happy ... when you have nothing more to do than bitching on EVERY detail of this movie ... stay away .. -.-
greetz
i can almost see you guys arguing, how awesome are two-headed aliens and predators with four hands and four eyes in avp5, and everyone who will think it's awful will be classified as a stupid, whinning fanboy, who can't accept improvements.
swallowing silently all the shit put in your throat never was the best solution
I forgot, when Aliens headbite or claw at Predator flesh, they gain health too. I know my opinion sounds ludicrous but that's just me.
Go see a toy fan film "Alien 5", there is a scene where the Aliens invade the whole town, they devour the citizens including Harry Potter!
Quote from: Clyde Wyman on Nov 29, 2007, 09:47:34 AM
Aliens eating humans, what's wrong with it? I played Alien vs. Predator 2 game as an Alien, I kill and head-bite soldiers to gain health, what's the difference?
and were you eating corpses or butchering them, huh? you know, that implementing eating of cadavres in both games engine is a lot easier than making melee slaughter, right? but, somehow, game designers choose otherwise.
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 09:55:58 AM
and were you eating corpses or butchering them, huh? you know, that implementing eating of cadavres in both games engine is a lot easier than making melee slaughter, right? but, somehow, game designers choose otherwise.
I am not an Alien fan and have never watched any movies, like I've said before, my Alien opinions are based on video games.
It's funny that when you are clawing at human flesh, you seem to gain a little health. But when you headbite, a lot of health would be gained. So, I think Aliens only eat the head of a Predator and Human for health and claw for Human and Predator flesh for a bit of a nourishment, what do you think?
Quote from: Clyde Wyman on Nov 29, 2007, 10:01:35 AM
But when you headbite, a lot of health would be gained. So, I think Aliens only eat the head of a Predator and Human for health and claw for Human and Predator flesh for a bit of a nourishment, what do you think?
and this is the only assumption about eating aliens, that actually makes sense :), however is based only on the games.
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 10:03:22 AM
and this is the only assumption about eating aliens, that actually makes sense :), however is based only on the games.
Yeah, I agree. I'm not much of an Alien fan for the movies anyway, but I sure love to play as an Alien or Predator in the games. My relatives have promised to buy a NECA Predalien (nickname better known as Chet) action figure for me this Christmas and coincidentally, it is the month in which the action figure was released.
Now, how would you feel if the concept of Aliens feasting on babies (the babies were featured in the International Trailer) was introduced in the upcoming AVP movie?
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 09:11:58 AM
Quote from: gases on Nov 29, 2007, 09:07:35 AM
hehe carelessness on my behalf.
;)
Quote from: gases on Nov 29, 2007, 09:07:35 AM
However, the point still remains that ballzanya assumes and insinuates that you cannot be a "fan" if you believe aliens eat.
I think he still had in mind that scene from a3, which clearly isn't eating, which interpretation many people here try to force.
Again you say "clearly isn't eating", which implies we are stupid if we don't agree with you, or that your view is irrefutably correct.
Maybe they'll eat only for like a second of a headbite?
Like they won't take out fork n knives and start feasting on humans with special guest, Mr. Cleaner.
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 09:51:15 AM
i can almost see you guys arguing, how awesome are two-headed aliens and predators with four hands and four eyes in avp5, and everyone who will think it's awful will be classified as a stupid, whinning fanboy, who can't accept improvements.
swallowing silently all the shit put in your throat never was the best solution
No, thats an ridiculous argument ... two headed aliens and predators would be stupid .. for anyone i guess ...
people, like you, bitching about small details because in their view it is not canon, it is not right. But you dont have some PROOF for your view .. but still bitching .. thats not right . .bla bla bla .
greetz
I think it makes sense for Aliens to feast on humans for more health. After all, these ferocious intergalactic horrors aren't humans or undead (zombies duh). They are from other planets and their mouths are dripping with saliva when spotted a human in it's vicinity.
This debate is not logical.
Come on if you guys know chemistry and biology, obviously any living creature needs to get nutrients for it's body to live, and surely like any complex organism known, it must have a digesting system.
Now people say that it could absorb from the air, but in Alien Ash says the hugger has a outer layer of protein polysaccharides, and has the habit of shedding his cells and replacing them with polarised silicon. It's impossible to obtain this nutrients from aerobic absortion through the skin. So the alien MUST EAT!
Now some crazy fanboy is going to say that he talks about the hugger not the Alien itself, but as per Aliens, the queen lays eggs, and as ANY egg laying animal, the egg when layed must contain all the nutrients the "embrio" needs to evolve, including the protein. So the queen must have "dispensed" the nutrients, so she must have got them from somewhere, so she Ate!
And guess in alien movies where can you get Proteins more easily...
And the Xenomorph from Alien 3 looks like a dog eating a carcass, look at any wildlife documentary, see packs of wolfs hunting or Hyenas or something, they all do the same type of movement the Xenomorph does.
And yey first post! lol
^^ .. nice Post .. but look out!
In a short Time there will be some guys and say you are wrong because their opinion is the only really true fact, it is canon .. even without a single proof ... ::)
Welcome =)
greetz
Quote from: zecojones on Nov 29, 2007, 12:59:12 PM
This debate is not logical.
Come on if you guys know chemistry and biology, obviously any living creature needs to get nutrients for it's body to live, and surely like any complex organism known, it must have a digesting system.
Now people say that it could absorb from the air, but in Alien Ash says the hugger has a outer layer of protein polysaccharides, and has the habit of shedding his cells and replacing them with polarised silicon. It's impossible to obtain this nutrients from aerobic absortion through the skin. So the alien MUST EAT!
Now some crazy fanboy is going to say that he talks about the hugger not the Alien itself, but as per Aliens, the queen lays eggs, and as ANY egg laying animal, the egg when layed must contain all the nutrients the "embrio" needs to evolve, including the protein. So the queen must have "dispensed" the nutrients, so she must have got them from somewhere, so she Ate!
And guess in alien movies where can you get Proteins more easily...
And the Xenomorph from Alien 3 looks like a dog eating a carcass, look at any wildlife documentary, see packs of wolfs hunting or Hyenas or something, they all do the same type of movement the Xenomorph does.
And yey first post! lol
Good points there, my friend.
Quote from: $cHm0cK on Nov 29, 2007, 01:20:25 PM
^^ .. nice Post .. but look out!
In a short Time there will be some guys and say you are wrong because their opinion is the only really true fact, it is canon .. even without a single proof ... ::)
Welcome =)
greetz
True, true. I've seen it all, people dissing each other just because of different opinions. What's new here?
sure, whatever, let them eat, shit, and copulating, why not? they are biological organisms after all. The whole bio-machine concept is so fu*kin stupid that i can't even belive i like it, shame on me, i'm so ignorant whinning fanboy. space lions are so much better! hwo cna i even love this giger guy, wtf?
what a fu*king dissapoitment.
i'm glad one of the directors don't think the way you do, and is leaving open gates to many interpretations and the mystery. at least he understand my point.
And gases, good point there, my bad, it was meant to be 'clearly for me', sorry for this one.
Aliens are walkien fusion batterys. They spend most of their time in warm places to charge up. Accid blood is proof of my opinion.
Quote from: Master on Nov 29, 2007, 02:41:47 PM
Aliens are walkien fusion batterys. They spend most of their time in warm places to charge up. Accid blood is proof of my opinion.
guys, really, be honest, doesn't it sounds to you better than flesh-eating momnsters we saw in every other horror movie?
as for zecojones post: everything is fine. now, if we stick to this whole bilogical proofs of animals around us... we know nutriets and proteins are transported from stomach to every body part via blood. how acid can do that?
Aliens eat...big deal, let's move on... :-\
Quote from: Demonio Cazador on Nov 29, 2007, 02:51:45 PM
Aliens propably eat in my opinion, because that is the way i interpret it...big deal, let's move on... :-\
fixed.
and now it's fine, once again, colin said we won't see them eating on screen so it's cool.
Sorry if this has been said..
But I believe that the runner wasnt necessarily eating as much as he was just chewing on the remains..like a dog would play with a ball or a bone.
Sounds silly, but think about it, it did come from a rottweiller, so hence why it has all those increased rage tendencies.
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 02:56:24 PM
Quote from: Demonio Cazador on Nov 29, 2007, 02:51:45 PM
Aliens propably eat in my opinion, because that is the way i interpret it...big deal, let's move on... :-\
fixed.
and now it's fine, once again, colin said we won't see them eating on screen so it's cool.
Whatever gets you thru the night dude...
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 06:11:40 AM
in alien, the chestburster didn't feed on Kane while it was there after it burst out and there was no mention or indication that it returned to the corpse to feed or would even do so.
That's because six other hostile organisms were standing around it when it hatched and it needed to find safety so it could mature... Or did you miss the part were Parker wanted to stab it to death?
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 06:11:40 AMIn aliens all the cocooned victims, already dead via chestburster, seem otherwise intact, with only the gaping hole in their chest. And the marines arrived weeks after the initial loss of contact with hadley's hope. Implying in any of that time, the aliens if they needed to feed, would have done so.
In what version did you watch that we saw the corpses of all 156 colonists? I'd like to rent that one.
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 29, 2007, 06:11:40 AMAlien 3 never features eating, only really agressive, mauling.
That's purely your opinion.
Like I said, it would only be logical that the Alien feed from the ample food source they have in their host's bodies. They are highly metabolic organic creatures and would need more energy consumption that could ever be 'absorbed from the atmosphere'. Gases available in a typical atmosphere would just not have enough energy released when it's molecular bonds were broken to fuel the creature's energy requirements. Especially after it had been diffused through a membrane in the skull. It would surely need to eat solid organic matter, which again is in large supply when you are cocooning and impregnating hosts.
If you are hungry and there's a buffet on your table, why go hunting for scraps?
Quote from: Hicks on Nov 29, 2007, 03:13:25 PM
They are highly metabolic organic creatures and would need more energy consumption that could ever be 'absorbed from the atmosphere'. Gases available in a typical atmosphere would just not have enough energy released when it's molecular bonds were broken to fuel the creature's energy requirements. Especially after it had been diffused through a membrane in the skull.
why gases? how about charging energy thanks to enviroment temperature? then acid as blood really makes sense.
Quote from: gases on Nov 29, 2007, 09:07:35 AM
hehe carelessness on my behalf. However, the point still remains that ballzanya assumes and insinuates that you cannot be a "fan" if you believe aliens eat. Which is wrong and presumptuous when it is heavily hinted at in the movie.
Yeah this is my point. He posts about his opinions and forces them down people's throat as facts. And then says if you disagree with his point, you must not be a true fan or whatever. Which is pretty pathetic.
And then posts about the same shit over and over.
Quote from: Tun on Nov 29, 2007, 03:46:06 PM
Quote from: gases on Nov 29, 2007, 09:07:35 AM
hehe carelessness on my behalf. However, the point still remains that ballzanya assumes and insinuates that you cannot be a "fan" if you believe aliens eat. Which is wrong and presumptuous when it is heavily hinted at in the movie.
Yeah this is my point. He posts about his opinions and forces them down people's throat as facts. And then says if you disagree with his point, you must not be a true fan or whatever. Which is pretty pathetic.
And then posts about the same shit over and over.
Just ignore those people ...
greetz
ok, time to stop personal issues and get back on topic.
anyone wants to say something about battery theory? why is it worse and less creditable than eating?
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 03:24:56 PM
why gases? how about charging energy thanks to enviroment temperature? then acid as blood really makes sense.
Couple reasons. For starters, the metabolism of organic creatures doesn't work that way. To create calories, which our cells use for energy, the bonds between solid matter (ie. protein, carbohydrates and fats) are broken. What you are describing is more closely related to photosynthesis in planets.
Secondly, and more importantly, you are again limiting yourself to where you can survive. There was no heat on Acheron, yet there were a lot of Aliens there. In the first
AVP there were Alien in Antarctica. Again, a cold place. Ash describes them as the 'perfect organism' so I highly doubt they have evolved an energy requirement that is based on the temperature of the environment they are in. It's not efficient enough. Again, if they already require a host to propagate, why not feed off that host as well instead of A) finding a host, then B) finding a separate food source?
You guys are trying really hard to find a reason no to use the most logical source of food. Strange. :-\
Quote from: Hicks on Nov 29, 2007, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 03:24:56 PM
why gases? how about charging energy thanks to enviroment temperature? then acid as blood really makes sense.
Couple reasons. For starters, the metabolism of organic creatures doesn't work that way. To create calories, which our cells use for energy, the bonds between solid matter (ie. protein, carbohydrates and fats) are broken. What you are describing is more closely related to photosynthesis in planets.
Secondly, and more importantly, you are again limiting yourself to where you can survive. There was no heat on Acheron, yet there were a lot of Aliens there. In the first AVP there were Alien in Antarctica. Again, a cold place. Ash describes them as the 'perfect organism' so I highly doubt they have evolved an energy requirement that is based on the temperature of the environment they are in. It's not efficient enough. Again, if they already require a host to propagate, why not feed off that host as well instead of A) finding a host, then B) finding a separate food source?
You guys are trying really hard to find a reason no to use the most logical source of food. Strange. :-\
Good post. Don't know what the big deal is about them eating anyway. Doesn't make them any less formidable.
Yes it does make them less formidable. Deny it food and it'll die.
Quote from: Hicks on Nov 29, 2007, 10:05:50 PM
Couple reasons. For starters, the metabolism of organic creatures doesn't work that way.
then again, why assume they are organisms based strictly on organic matter only? they sure don't look like this, more like steel and silicon combination.
Quote from: Hicks on Nov 29, 2007, 10:05:50 PM
To create calories, which our cells use for energy, the bonds between solid matter (ie. protein, carbohydrates and fats) are broken. What you are describing is more closely related to photosynthesis in plants.
sounds good if you ask me.
Quote from: Hicks on Nov 29, 2007, 10:05:50 PM
Secondly, and more importantly, you are again limiting yourself to where you can survive.
sure, but lack of warm places where they can re-charge would only show they are limited to time in this conditions. explains what happened to alien from derelict pilot.
what if they can re-charge by themselves using the gases you talked about earlier, just taking it a lot more of time?
Quote from: Hicks on Nov 29, 2007, 10:05:50 PM
There was no heat on Acheron, yet there were a lot of Aliens there.
in colony, yes. the hive was near the reactor
Quote from: Hicks on Nov 29, 2007, 10:05:50 PM
In the first AVP there were Alien in Antarctica. Again, a cold place.
and hive again was near the main reactor of the pyramid, giving heat
Quote from: Hicks on Nov 29, 2007, 10:05:50 PM
Ash describes them as the 'perfect organism' so I highly doubt they have evolved an energy requirement that is based on the temperature of the environment they are in.
somehow i find 'eating' issue more conflicting his statement. and again, i think they would be able to recharge themseves via some process inside their body, they are almost mechanical after all
Quote from: Hicks on Nov 29, 2007, 10:05:50 PM
It's not efficient enough. Again, if they already require a host to propagate, why not feed off that host as well instead of A) finding a host, then B) finding a separate food source?
exactly. if they eat, why they not feasting of huge amount of bodies around and attacking another living beings?
Quote from: Hicks on Nov 29, 2007, 10:05:50 PM
You guys are trying really hard to find a reason no to use the most logical source of food. Strange. :-\
i'm not trying to hardly find anything to complicate the situation, it's just impression alien movies mad eon me.
and i'm not trying to raise another fight or something here right now with you Hicks, this subject is really interesting to me and i would love to discuss it further!
and still the riddler is how acid dissolving organic material at the molecular level could do the job of transporting all the needed proteins, carbohydrates and fats to the whole body mechanics.
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So the nest in this film is made from Alien waste...? I don't mind. In fact, I approve. It's appropriately disgusting. 8)
1. Aliens don't seem to need to breathe or respirate. If this is true it negates the ATP cycle, which negates the need for long hydrocarbon chains.
2. A creature that can initiate the breaking of electron bonds or convert zero point energy at a steady controllable does need to ingest terribly much mass to survive on an indefinite basis.
3. The term biomechanical is not used by accident.
4. There aren't enough colonists to justify sustaining a thriving colony of Aliens with rampant egg production, and there aren't enough food stores either given the time frame of the distress call and the response. Furthermore dead bodies unchewed are plainly visible. This is reconfirmed on the Auriga where Aliens create a hive complete with eggs without any visible eating, and the kitchen and food stores are left undisturbed underwater.
5. Logic has shit all to do with an biomechanical penis monster straight from the id.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 11:32:29 PM
1. Aliens don't seem to need to breathe or respirate. If this is true it negates the ATP cycle, which negates the need for long hydrocarbon chains.
2. A creature that can initiate the breaking of electron bonds or convert zero point energy at a steady controllable does need to ingest terribly much mass to survive on an indefinite basis.
3. The term biomechanical is not used by accident.
4. There aren't enough colonists to justify sustaining a thriving colony of Aliens with rampant egg production, and there aren't enough food stores either given the time frame of the distress call and the response. Furthermore dead bodies unchewed are plainly visible. This is reconfirmed on the Auriga where Aliens create a hive complete with eggs without any visible eating, and the kitchen and food stores are left undisturbed underwater.
5. Logic has shit all to do with an biomechanical penis monster straight from the id.
those are very good points Xhan, thank you :)
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 11:32:29 PM
5. Logic has shit all to do with an biomechanical penis monster straight from the id.
I agree.
Hi it's me again.
From what i heard there is the issue that people say acid blood could not transport nutrients, well that's completely wrong.
Look no further than our digesting system, gastric acid in our stomaches is really a strong acid (like melting a hole in a floor), maybe not as strong and fast as the depicted alien acid, but believe me it's pretty strong, and the aminoacids from proteins, hydrocarbonets and stuff like that keep intact in the acid, so it's easily plausible that it could be transported in acid blood.
Now i agree on something, as fictional as the alien is, it's pretty logical that the acid blood has some "battery properties", but charging through regular environment heat or aerobic absortion it's impossible (don't forget i said regular!) as far as my knowledge of science goes. It could use some sort of photon absortion through solar energy, but as we all know the alien likes dark places, so it wouldn't be compatible. Seeing all this, the easiest charge method would be breaking molecular links in the digestive system.
Now that i wasted a few seconds in my life writing this, people face the truth. This is a movie and a fictional species, imagine as you like, it's impossible to completely define a Xenomorph through science. It would be a lot more easy to define a Predator, the Xenomorph is just too complex. That's what makes it cool though.
Make peace, leave the war to the movie 8)
By the way people talk that the xenos would die in Aliens through lack of food if they needed to eat. But if you look at Alien, there were aliens in the pilot ship once, the eggs were in stasis, but there wasn't any PilotAlien running around the derelict, and clearly the Pilot fossil had chestbursted.
A plausible reason for this is that it starved to death.
Now shout all the hate to me for this logic :P
Quote from: Master on Nov 28, 2007, 09:01:05 PM
I can understand that beas aliens from A:R were eating, cause they were mutants. But all other aliens seems to be natural power batterys ( Accid blood means something) and when battery is out of energy they are dieing.
That actually makes alot of sence. Acid would have two functions, and that is very good idea.
By the way people talk that the xenos would die in Aliens through lack of food if they needed to eat. But if you look at Alien, there were aliens in the pilot ship once,
Proof where?
the eggs were in stasis,
Proof where?
but there wasn't any PilotAlien running around the derelict, and clearly the Pilot fossil had chestbursted.
Proof where?
A plausible reason for this is that it starved to death.
Try basleess assumption contradicted by four other movies. At least one of the Aliens in AvP survived 100 years with shit all to eat.
And grew to full size in under 10 minutes with no time to eat let alone food.
Maybe they eated some andersonium and Pred-DNA super vittles.
IT CAN BE GROWS TIME NOW?
I knew someone would point something like that out. Hey guess what, AVP1 had a lot of questionable issues lol.
About aliens in derelict, tell me, the pilot chestbursted, the ship was crashed in lv426, at least a single alien wandered the ship even if the eggs where somehow "collected". Isn't that enough proof that there was at least a single Alien in the derelict once?
Other than AVP1 there isn't any questionable issue about aliens starving, but even so, if in AVP1 the queen survived at least 100 years (don't forget she was frozen! like cryosleep), in Alien the pilot was fossilized so it must have been there at least for several million years.
And tell me which other movie contradict the aliens could starve except AVP1?
Quote from: zecojones on Nov 30, 2007, 12:59:05 AM
By the way people talk that the xenos would die in Aliens through lack of food if they needed to eat. But if you look at Alien, there were aliens in the pilot ship once, the eggs were in stasis, but there wasn't any PilotAlien running around the derelict, and clearly the Pilot fossil had chestbursted.
A plausible reason for this is that it starved to death.
Now shout all the hate to me for this logic :P
No way we actually agree on something!!!!! haha but seriously I always wondered what happened to that alien on the Space Jockey ship. That would make a good alien prequel no?
Quotein Alien the pilot was fossilized so it must have been there at least for several million years.
You
assume it was fossilsed like you assume the Derelict crashed.
Go watch Alien again, they say it's fossilized! I don't recall if it's Dallas or Kane that says it, but one of them says so when they find the pilot!
About the crash, the ship has lot of ruptures in the hull, and in the bonus dvds (i have the 9 dvd pack) the directors say that is a derelict! If you see the definition of derelict in a simple dicionary, you'll see that it is another way of refering to a crashed or abandoned "thing".
an Alien does not equal "there were aliens", it equals one Alien. Acheron seems to be a rather large place. Since you didn't design Jockeys, I'm thinking you can't ell me umm let's see
1. What we see is actually a jockey or something else entirely, like say a sapeint/sentient control mechanism.
2. Looks fossilized, who knows if it is or isn't. Don't remember the scene where Kane was whipping out the ol' Junior Boy Detective Carbon Dating Kit. Maybe dead jockeys suck up all the calcium around them. who knows.
3. Clearly the Pilot has a hole in it. It's assumed to be forshadowing. who knows.
4. I've already laid out the other movies.
5. The fossil doesn't have any gnaw marks yet the Alien starved to deah. k.
QuoteGo watch Alien again, they say it's fossilized! I don't recall if it's Dallas or Kane that says it, but one of them says so when they find the pilot!
Dallas "just runs the ship". He isn't a xenobiologist.
QuoteAbout the crash, the ship has lot of ruptures in the hull, and in the bonus dvds (i have the 9 dvd pack) the directors say that is a derelict! If you see the definition of derelict in a simple dicionary, you'll see that it is another way of refering to a crashed or abandoned "thing".
Abandoned - okay. But there is zero evidence to suggest it crashed.
Sure am some regularly spaced ruptures on it. Kind of suggestive like ruptures.
You sure gots a purdeh mouf.
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2007, 01:47:19 AM
QuoteGo watch Alien again, they say it's fossilized! I don't recall if it's Dallas or Kane that says it, but one of them says so when they find the pilot!
Dallas "just runs the ship". He isn't a xenobiologist.
I think then we can safely say that the aliens do not have a molecular acid for blood. ::)
I mean it was Dallas who said it, and he just "runs the ship"
Alien blood eats things acid doesn't.
- One Alien inside the derelict is enough to say that once existed one and it was not found again on lv426. The reason behind this is debatable (a movie could be done about this).
- About beeing fossilized, when you touch a fossil, it feels and looks like stone not bones or flesh or anything, even though he wouldn't be able to "date it" surely they could observe if it looked like stone or not, and i think the look Ridley Scott got on film was pretty good. I'm not a "Xenobiologist" (i'm a student of computer science actually, but was going for medicine first that's why i know some chemistry and biology) and i know about the "fossil look".
- About the pilot hole in the chest, come on this is an alien movie, doesn't it clearly look like a chestburst to you with the bones bent?
- Lay the movies again if you really have good "motives".
- About the gnaw marks, when you see national geografic you see lions and hyenas leaving bones intact....
QuoteI think then we can safely say that the aliens do not have a molecular acid for blood.
I think then you should go and watch that scene again and this time actually listen to what he says.
Oops nearly forgot...
::)
Quote- About beeing fossilized, when you touch a fossil, it feels and looks like stone not bones or flesh or anything, even though he wouldn't be able to "date it" surely they could observe if it looked like stone or not, and i think the look Ridley Scott got on film was pretty good.
However - the Jockey is a totally new species and since we don't know what a live one looks like we can't say for sure how long this particular one has been dead.
Starving Hyenas don't leave ANYTHING intact, and have the jaw strength to eat bones.
Aliens aren't Hyenas.
Kane and Dallas have big giant f**k off gloves on.
Of course it looks like a chestburst and it very PROBABLY is.
Um, no.. see I've made up my mind; you're free to believe as you wish. and I already made points back up in the thread.
Well about a totally new species that could have "stone bones" or something like that i can't talk about since i don't know anything about it, but i guess you can't either lol. :P
Even with massive gloves on, if you look at a rock and a bone with the same size and shape, can't you tell the diference from looking?
About already having made up your mind and not be open minded to consider other "chances" it's a really bad life policy lol, hope you're just like that in this movie universe since it isn't anything more than simple hobby.
And of course lions and hyenas have strength to break bone and break it, in the hyenas case they actually eat much bone because they eat lots of corpses left by other predators i forgot about that earlier, but guess what, i'm not selling this as real truth on contrary of some people here. It's just a fictional character.
Peace.
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2007, 01:54:51 AM
QuoteI think then we can safely say that the aliens do not have a molecular acid for blood.
I think then you should go and watch that scene again and this time actually listen to what he says.
Oops nearly forgot...
::)
"I haven't seen anything like that except, molecular acid."
And since then the blood has always been called Acid, not "Alien blood that melts stuff". Why do people always put out the "That character doesn't really know what he's talking about" excuse, when what the character said, pretty much became fact? It's a fictional story,
Quotebut i guess you can't either
We didn't. We were saying it was ambiguous - you were talking as if what you said was fact.
Because Alien blood dissolves things that acid doesnt.
Alien blood IS an acid, AN acid.
There are different types of Acid on earth by the way...
Quote"I haven't seen anything like that except, molecular acid."
Tres bien.
He's
likening it to molecular acid. Not saying it IS molecular acid. Same way as he
theorised the Jockey was fossilised.
Ok so what is the alien blood, remember, it can't be acid.
or it's an enzyme or something new. Alien Blood dissolves things that acid is kept in.
It's not even established as being blood.
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 11:17:07 PM
and i'm not trying to raise another fight or something here right now with you Hicks, this subject is really interesting to me and i would love to discuss it further!
No worries, I didn't take it as hostile at all. And I agree, we've had a pretty in-depth discussion on this very subject over at AXP. Thedus from Anchorpoint was the first the jump in. ;)
So what has been known as their blood for years, even in some ads for AvP... is a total lie?
Quote from: Huol on Nov 30, 2007, 02:22:22 AM
So what has been known as their blood for years, even in some ads for AvP... is a total lie?
No, just a common misconception is all... :)
Quote from: Huol on Nov 30, 2007, 02:22:22 AM
So what has been known as their blood for years, even in some ads for AvP... is a total lie?
Lol good one Huol :)
Do show me the link where Alien Blood is explained down to the last detail.
Extra credit for corpuscle diagrams.
I never said it was explained in detail, but it's constantly referred to as their blood, even in an official "trailer" for AvP... Which is canon no matter how much people may hate it.
Saying that just because we never got proof it's their blood is just the same as saying that the predator didn't actually skin those guys because we never saw him do it.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 30, 2007, 02:27:40 AM
Do show me the link where Alien Blood is explained down to the last detail.
Lol there isn't any link explaining something that is fictional with such detail!
But doesn't it make sense to you that the alien blood could have a really low pH? To me if when they're cut, the liquid released is acid, it makes sense they have acid blood or not? When you cut any organism, the liquid released isn't blood? Now you can also say that the alien is not an organism in actual(real) terms, but then you can't prove it otherwise i guess...
Quote from: Huol on Nov 30, 2007, 02:22:22 AM
So what has been known as their blood for years, even in some ads for AvP... is a total lie?
Aliens have blood? News to me. Next thing I know, you'll tell me that they regurgitate to reproduce too. ::)
and Aliens are referred to as serpents in-canon too. I guess we should call them serpents now?
Fine.
Serpents.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 30, 2007, 03:02:30 AM
and Aliens are referred to as serpents in-canon too. I guess we should call them serpents now?
Fine.
Serpents.
Serpents Vs. Pussy Faces. Coming 2009.
Any real life organism has a liquid inside where nutrients traverse between the cells it's not just blood on us human, but blood is the more "common knowledge" liquid for most people. Maybe you may not agree it's blood in the terms of the "known" blood, but you guys at least agree that it makes sense it's the liquid that transports nutrients inside the Alien body??? If you don't agree, amuse me with a logical explanation.
On the "lol" factor now, the chestburster in Alien actually looks like a serpent lol....... But it's really a stupid term lol.
wtf??!! stop arguing bout that. the strause brothers are doing something different because everyone knows that if some1 use the same things that in the others alien movies that would be 2 repetitive. its not about what all the fans want (no completely). they want it to be the most similar to the comix, but also to be a huge selling movie.
also you have 2 consider that at least they are developing a great story compared whit the shity predalien from aliens vs predator: duel (the 1st comix where a predalien appeared)
why dont you stop crying and wait til the movie comes out?!
Quote from: RODRCALD on Nov 30, 2007, 03:14:14 AM
wtf??!! stop arguing bout that. the strause brothers are doing something different because everyone knows that if some1 use the same things that in the others alien movies that would be 2 repetitive. its not about what all the fans want (no completely). they want it to be the most similar to the comix, but also to be a huge selling movie.
also you have 2 consider that at least they are developing a great story compared whit the shity predalien from aliens vs predator: duel (the 1st comix where a predalien appeared)
why dont you stop crying and wait til the movie comes out?!
Hell yeah
They're um...
ALIEN.
Since we don't know how Aliens receive nutrients, it's a moot point. For all we know the acid/enzyme/neato keen yellow fluid is to keep the Alient in a valent equilibrium with its surroundings or to maintain temperature stasis.
Never seen a cow or any other terrestrial carbiform survive boiling lead and the vacuum of space either.
Quote from: zecojones on Nov 30, 2007, 03:08:32 AM
Any real life organism has a liquid inside where nutrients traverse between the cells it's not just blood on us human, but blood is the more "common knowledge" liquid for most people.
Jellyfish don't have any type of 'blood' like liquid within them that carries nutrients to the cells of their body, and they are
real life organisms... ;)
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 30, 2007, 03:16:01 AM
They're um...
ALIEN.
Since we don't know how Aliens receive nutrients, it's a moot point. For all we know the acid/enzyme/neato keen yellow fluid is to keep the Alient in a valent equilibrium with its surroundings or to maintain temperature stasis.
Never seen a cow or any other terrestrial carbiform survive boiling lead and the vacuum of space either.
The last sentence i obviously agree, but the rest as you said it's a moot point, but i at least tried to find real life examples that can fit what the alien does on screen, and blood also is used to maintain body temperature in "warm blood" organisms (don't know the exact term in english), so you just refered that the "acid" has another real blood functionality.
I'm tired of this topic lol, it doesn't make any sense to discuss this.
Quote from: Gates on Nov 30, 2007, 03:18:58 AM
Quote from: zecojones on Nov 30, 2007, 03:08:32 AM
Any real life organism has a liquid inside where nutrients traverse between the cells it's not just blood on us human, but blood is the more "common knowledge" liquid for most people.
Jellyfish don't have any type of 'blood' like liquid within them that carries nutrients to the cells of their body, and they are real life organisms... ;)
I didn't say "blood" was the only one! In humans we have intercelular plasma too (don't know the exact name in english), in jellyfish must be something like it. And that's actually "blood like" in that "functionality". Isn't there any biologist in this post to help with terms? Just "non-biologist" geeky fanboys? :P
Jellyfish absorb oxygen by direct osmosis. They also digets food by direct absorption through the gastrodermis.
If you want Aliens to be ant-lizard-roaches, knock yourself out.
Quote from: zecojones on Nov 30, 2007, 03:23:50 AM
I didn't say "blood" was the only one! In humans we have intercelular plasma too (don't know the exact name in english), in jellyfish must be something like it. And that's actually "blood like" in that "functionality". Isn't there any biologist in this post to help with terms? Just "non-biologist" geeky fanboys? :P
Nope...jellyfish break down matter in their gastro-vascular cavity, then it absorbs directly into their bodies...there is nothing blood like in functionality within a jellyfish... :)
EDIT: Whoops...what Xhan said... ;D
(1) We don't know if there were any Aliens still around in the derelict. The Colonial Marines walked right through the nursery chamber and only woke them up when they killed the hatching chestburster.
Ripley also walked into the Queen's chamber. There were one or two Aliens still nesting in the wall, until she started blowing stuff up.
If there were any in the derelict, then they could either have still been hibernating, been too far away to intervene or perfectly happy at the sense of victims going there and being facehugged. :)
(2) Bishop calls the stuff "molecular acid", after both reading all the information left behind by the colony scientists and carrying out at least one autopsy on a facehugger.
Quite whether it's also interlaced/bonded with some sort of other chemical, at a molecular level, however... That's open to interpretation.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 30, 2007, 03:34:39 AM
Jellyfish absorb oxygen by direct osmosis. They also digets food by direct absorption through the gastrodermis.
If you want Aliens to be ant-lizard-roaches, knock yourself out.
Didn't know that about jellyfish, but even through osmosis and gastrodermis, the nutrients like aminoacids and stuff must be transported in some kind of plasma at least at intercelular level. Does every cell in the jellyfish make the direct osmosis and gastrodermis or is it like any complex organism that have several system divided with different cells in them? If they have several systems, they must have some kind of transport system through all the body.
I see that it was posted that they have a cavity that absorbs what they need, but at a celular level the nutrients must be transported to all cells, it doesn't magically goes where it's needed, the most common seen stuff i guess it is:
- circulatory system (heart, blood vessels, etc)
- plasma (that goes between cells and inside them, also exists with circulatory system)
- each cell absorbs it's nutrients directly (i guess it's impossible in complex organisms, correct me if wrong)
Concluding, any complex organism on earth at least has a plasma that transports nutrients, in absence of a circulatory system and of "blood" in it's correct term (i guess), the most similar stuff is the plasma, i'm pretty sure the jellyfish has intercelular plasma if the cells aren't completely autonomous.
Peace.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 30, 2007, 03:40:35 AM
(1) We don't know if there were any Aliens still around in the derelict. The Colonial Marines walked right through the nursery chamber and only woke them up when they killed the hatching chestburster.
Ripley also walked into the Queen's chamber. There were one or two Aliens still nesting in the wall, until she started blowing stuff up.
If there were any in the derelict, then they could either have still been hibernating, been too far away to intervene or perfectly happy at the sense of victims going there and being facehugged. :)
(2) Bishop calls the stuff "molecular acid", after both reading all the information left behind by the colony scientists and carrying out at least one autopsy on a facehugger.
Quite whether it's also interlaced/bonded with some sort of other chemical, at a molecular level, however... That's open to interpretation.
Actually in point 1 was the best point so far to contradic the "starving" i suggested, cheers ;)
The idea behind the Alien, at its most basic, is to portray the most adaptable organism possible. Something infinitely self-sufficient. That's why I like the idea of it being able to survive in a vacuum.
I like to think that, if they eat flesh, it isn't necessarily a survival issue. Perhaps more of an advantageous side-issue.
Besides which, who's to say they can only eat flesh?
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:44:58 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 12:32:22 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 29, 2007, 12:28:40 AM
and also completly ignore that the Alien mouth is remotely designed to either eat or ingest after acid barfing.
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
what was the point in lying to us, Colin?
I don't want to cause an uproar but I liked that they showed the Alien eating, I was always curious as to whether or not they ate.
Quote from: Veteran Warrior on Dec 27, 2007, 11:19:50 PM
I don't want to cause an uproar but I liked that they showed the Alien eating, I was always curious as to whether or not they ate.
i'm not questioning alien eating, or want to start another discussion about it.
i want to know, why Colin lied to us, nothing else.
Oh, well then I don't have an answer to that. Sorry.
Meh I don't count that as lying. Infact the scene where it was eating could have been taken in any light, it was just whipping the corpse with it's secondary jaw several times. Unless you took it in the way that the person would still be alive. Either way, it doesn't have to be taken as eating if you don't want it too.
I thought this was one of the most grotesque and unsettling scenes in the film. Congrats to the Bros, if you ask me.
Quote from: Lucian Laurentis on Dec 28, 2007, 12:12:44 AM
Meh I don't count that as lying. Infact the scene where it was eating could have been taken in any light, it was just whipping the corpse with it's secondary jaw several times. Unless you took it in the way that the person would still be alive. Either way, it doesn't have to be taken as eating if you don't want it too.
yeah, but it wasn't like alien3 in ANY WAY, and it used the secondary jaw to whatever it was doing like i was saying, which Colin sugested was wrong, because it will be presented similiar to A3.
EDIT: inserted quote, because people want to talk about the scene. but i'm sustaining my question.
why were you lying to us Colin?
I liked the scene
We see them eat twice. With the inner jaw, and over Carrie's friend.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 28, 2007, 01:20:40 AM
We see them eat twice. With the inner jaw, and over Carrie's friend.
the second one can be easily interpreted as mauling on the dead body
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 28, 2007, 08:58:43 PM
i'm not the only one who thinks this took away A LOT from alien nature presented in previous films, am i?
lets discuss this piece of bullcrap.
one of the coolest scenes in the movie. this behavior is also portrayed in many comics and in the avp games. sorry. u phail.
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:26:12 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 28, 2007, 08:58:43 PM
i'm not the only one who thinks this took away A LOT from alien nature presented in previous films, am i?
lets discuss this piece of bullcrap.
one of the coolest scenes in the movie. this behavior is also portrayed in many comics and in the avp games. sorry. u phail.
in games there's only mauling and head-biting, in comics there are albino human predaliens fighting with swords. and, let me quote Colin, 'only movies are canon'
you 'phail' my friend.
Whoever came up with that battery powered bull crap. Aliens are like viscious unstoppable killing machines, and are susposivly the perfect organism, not robots.
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 28, 2007, 01:31:07 AM
Whoever came up with that battery powered bull crap. Aliens are like viscious unstoppable killing machines, and are susposivly the perfect organism, not robots.
looks like they can be stop in very easy way then, and are not killing machines, just poor hungry hippos.
still, i wonder why Colin lied.
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 28, 2007, 01:25:00 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 28, 2007, 01:20:40 AM
We see them eat twice. With the inner jaw, and over Carrie's friend.
the second one can be easily interpreted as mauling on the dead body
So can the one in A3.
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 28, 2007, 01:29:46 AM
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:26:12 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 28, 2007, 08:58:43 PM
i'm not the only one who thinks this took away A LOT from alien nature presented in previous films, am i?
lets discuss this piece of bullcrap.
one of the coolest scenes in the movie. this behavior is also portrayed in many comics and in the avp games. sorry. u phail.
in games there's only mauling and head-biting, in comics there are albino human predaliens fighting with swords. and, let me quote Colin, 'only movies are canon'
you 'phail' my friend.
HUH? HEADBITING IS FEEDING. headbiting dead bodies to get energy and health is FEEDING. and what are you talking about with the comics? never seen that. you phail. and i'm not your friend.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 28, 2007, 01:33:12 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 28, 2007, 01:25:00 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 28, 2007, 01:20:40 AM
We see them eat twice. With the inner jaw, and over Carrie's friend.
the second one can be easily interpreted as mauling on the dead body
So can the one in A3.
yup, but Colin refused my assumption about eating with secondary jaw, which turned out to be in a movie.
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 28, 2007, 01:37:15 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 28, 2007, 01:33:12 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 28, 2007, 01:25:00 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 28, 2007, 01:20:40 AM
We see them eat twice. With the inner jaw, and over Carrie's friend.
the second one can be easily interpreted as mauling on the dead body
So can the one in A3.
yup, but Colin refused my assumption about eating with secondary jaw, which turned out to be in a movie.
All it did was punch holes...
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 28, 2007, 01:31:07 AM
Whoever came up with that battery powered bull crap. Aliens are like viscious unstoppable killing machines, and are susposivly the perfect organism, not robots.
All living beings and even robots need some type of energy. Maybe they absorb gamma rays or something.
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:36:22 AM
HUH? HEADBITING IS FEEDING. headbiting dead bodies to get energy and health is FEEDING.
the heads weren't dissapearing after the headbite, however it would be much easier to implement that in both games engines. the designers of the games choose otherwise. and the energy was gained by mauling on the dead bodies too, not eating them.
however i like swallowing brain theory a little bit.
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:36:22 AM
and what are you talking about with the comics? never seen that.
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Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:36:22 AM
you phail. and i'm not your friend.
oh, we've got warrior here with problem in interpreting basic idoms ::)
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 28, 2007, 01:38:12 AM
All it did was punch holes...
why wasn't it punching the head like alien3? why wasn't it using his hands like alien3? the interpretation is only one - eating.
edit: corrected grammar error ;)
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 28, 2007, 01:43:55 AM
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:36:22 AM
HUH? HEADBITING IS FEEDING. headbiting dead bodies to get energy and health is FEEDING.
the heads weren't dissapearing after the headbite, however it would be much easier to implement that in both games engines. the designers of the games choose otherwise. and the energy was gained by mauling on the dead bodies too, not eating them.
however i like swallowing brain theory a little bit.
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:36:22 AM
and what are you talking about with the comics? never seen that.
Aliens vs. Predator: Deadliest of the species
http://www.constantthreat.net/othershit/comics/huh.jpg
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:36:22 AM
you phail. and i'm not your friend.
oh, we've got warrior here with problem in interpreting basic idoms ::)
ok you win, i lose. i phail. are you happy now?
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:46:01 AM
ok you win, i lose. i phail. are you happy now?
not really. read the whole thread, i'm sure you're find some very good arguments to your theory, and i'm not trying to force my theory on you. only showing the proofs of mine.
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 28, 2007, 01:47:18 AM
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:46:01 AM
ok you win, i lose. i phail. are you happy now?
not really. read the whole thread, i'm sure you're find some very good arguments to your theory, and i'm not trying to force my theory on you. only showing the proofs of mine.
whatever that comic was, i have never seen that artwork. i've never bought that series, probably because it looked as crappy as the pic you posted. and aliens did feed in the comics. maybe not the ones you buy, but the ones i've purchased back in 1988-1990, they did.
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:49:48 AM
whatever that comic was, i have never seen that artwork. i've never bought that series, probably because it looked as crappy as the pic you posted. and aliens did feed in the comics. maybe not the ones you buy, but the ones i've purchased back in 1988-1990, they did.
yeah yeah, i know :), however comics can come up with many crappy ideas, as you can see :). my point was it was never portrayed 'in your face' in the movies, even fincher avoided that, because he wanted make the audience wondering what the hell is alien doing (as it was said in the commentary on dvd) - is it eating? is it killing? is it doing it just for pleasure? that was pretty awesome :)
i recommend you reading this thread, very interesting things are there :)
Im glad it showed the Alien eating in this film, reminded me of the games. I dont think they need to eat, but I think they do it for pleasure and strength whenever they get the chance.
Quote from: KidPresentable on Nov 28, 2007, 09:11:13 PM
OMG THEY EET???!! NO WAI!!!!!
Seriously, this has changed my view of the movie. It will suck. Dumb ass strause bros.
dont talk smack about the bros!
Quote from: AdamJZ on Dec 28, 2007, 02:00:07 AM
Im glad it showed the Alien eating in this film, reminded me of the games. I dont think they need to eat, but I think they do it for pleasure and strength whenever they get the chance.
yup, but i must say butchering bodies for pleasure instead of eating would be more gruesome, and fit the 'hardcoreness' ov avpr better :P
Alien runs on batterys? No I think that is retarted, its not in the movies, soo. . .
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 28, 2007, 02:11:29 AM
Alien runs on batterys? No I think that is retarted, its not in the movies, soo. . .
well, like Master wrote in his theory, they ARE batteries -> they recharge themselves from heat, gases, staying still, or increasing agression. they are not called bio-mechanical because it sounds cool ;)
Giger didn't say they ran on batteries, unless you can dig up some proof.
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 28, 2007, 01:46:01 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 28, 2007, 01:38:12 AM
All it did was punch holes...
why wasn't it punching the head like alien3? why wasn't it using his hands like alien3? the interpretation is only one - eating.
edit: corrected grammar error ;)
Maybe a different purpose. Maybe preparing it to make it into hive material?
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 28, 2007, 01:43:55 AM
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:36:22 AM
HUH? HEADBITING IS FEEDING. headbiting dead bodies to get energy and health is FEEDING.
the heads weren't dissapearing after the headbite, however it would be much easier to implement that in both games engines. the designers of the games choose otherwise. and the energy was gained by mauling on the dead bodies too, not eating them.
however i like swallowing brain theory a little bit.
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:36:22 AM
and what are you talking about with the comics? never seen that.
Aliens vs. Predator: Deadliest of the species
http://www.constantthreat.net/othershit/comics/huh.jpg
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:36:22 AM
you phail. and i'm not your friend.
oh, we've got warrior here with problem in interpreting basic idoms ::)
That comic pic is in a virtual reality. There are humanpredaliens, but they are most like aliens, and the main character taps into a computer and goes through different virtual realities from cowboys to Flash Gordon.
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Dec 28, 2007, 02:19:19 AM
Giger didn't say they ran on batteries, unless you can dig up some proof.
of course he didn't, but be honest: how do you think connection with biological elements and industrial machinery works? by eating?
the way biomech works is similiar for me to replicants from blade runner. they have biological elements of their bodies, but in fact they are machines, who don't have to eat, shit etc..
once again, that was what made aliens so unique. they were killing machines. not space lions looking for the prey.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 28, 2007, 02:22:48 AM
Maybe a different purpose. Maybe preparing it to make it into hive material?
i like that, but why not bring the whole body to the hive then and let other aliens eat it and convert into hive goo? he's acting like lion or wolf there.
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 28, 2007, 01:54:43 AM
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 01:49:48 AM
whatever that comic was, i have never seen that artwork. i've never bought that series, probably because it looked as crappy as the pic you posted. and aliens did feed in the comics. maybe not the ones you buy, but the ones i've purchased back in 1988-1990, they did.
yeah yeah, i know :), however comics can come up with many crappy ideas, as you can see :). my point was it was never portrayed 'in your face' in the movies, even fincher avoided that, because he wanted make the audience wondering what the hell is alien doing (as it was said in the commentary on dvd) - is it eating? is it killing? is it doing it just for pleasure? that was pretty awesome :)
i recommend you reading this thread, very interesting things are there :)
ok, now i get what you're saying. and i definitely agree with you. exactly, when watching, you wonder, what is it doing to those men? lol.
Quote from: DemonKnight on Dec 28, 2007, 02:38:05 AM
ok, now i get what you're saying. and i definitely agree with you. exactly, when watching, you wonder, what is it doing to those men? lol.
yeah, i know, that was amazing! :) very terryfying and scary!
Quote from: KidPresentable on Nov 28, 2007, 09:11:13 PM
OMG THEY EET???!! NO WAI!!!!!
Seriously, this has changed my view of the movie. It will suck. Dumb ass strause bros.
go cry a river and drown in it
i think that was sarcastic?
man internet sucks for tone.
Quote from: KidPresentable on Nov 28, 2007, 09:11:13 PM
OMG THEY EET???!! NO WAI!!!!!
Seriously, this has changed my view of the movie. It will suck. Dumb ass strause bros.
You've got a problem with that?
Aliens are extraterrestrial monsters for pete's sake, not some human killing machine. And undeads are not the only ones that feast on humans, dogg.
Sarcasm not your strong suit is it....
I may not know much about the Aliens. But judging from their monstrosity looks and including the oblong head they have, they must be creatures that are capable of feeding on protein-matter.
I don't have a problem with aliens eating, but the shitty way it was portrayed is what gets me.
You're completely off base in both accounts.
i don't really have any problem with alien eating... i dun know why people felt stange either... but to me the only matters me is that why they eat with the inner jaw insetad of their mouth..
To be fair if you've played AVP2 you know they do eat sometimes as chestbursters had to eat to molt into adult aliens by eating cats or dead bodies in the morgue.
Ash does say in Alien we know what its nutrition requirements are.
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 28, 2007, 02:44:23 PM
Ash does say in Alien we know what its nutrition requirements are.
which turned out in director's cut to be requirement of doing egg-morphing.
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 28, 2007, 04:28:11 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 28, 2007, 02:44:23 PM
Ash does say in Alien we know what its nutrition requirements are.
which turned out in director's cut to be requirement of doing egg-morphing.
the idea was there in the out take not in the DC movie.
Quote from: Clyde Wyman on Dec 28, 2007, 08:20:25 AM
Quote from: KidPresentable on Nov 28, 2007, 09:11:13 PM
OMG THEY EET???!! NO WAI!!!!!
Seriously, this has changed my view of the movie. It will suck. Dumb ass strause bros.
You've got a problem with that?
Aliens are extraterrestrial monsters for pete's sake, not some human killing machine. And undeads are not the only ones that feast on humans, dogg.
Clyde is right.
Quote from: justaguy on Dec 28, 2007, 01:24:26 PM
To be fair if you've played AVP2 you know they do eat sometimes as chestbursters had to eat to molt into adult aliens by eating cats or dead bodies in the morgue.
Yes, but that isnt 'canon' ;) Anyway, we do know they eat. How? Probably by hmmm... headbiting or regular chewing without the second head.
ohhh so it was eating when it headbit the guy twice... I didn't even process that.
Quote from: Vemados on Dec 30, 2007, 08:23:32 AM
ohhh so it was eating when it headbit the guy twice... I didn't even process that.
Not to mention in the Red Band trailer, an Alien sinks it's inner jaw into a person's noggin and feasting on his brains.
Of course, in the AVP2 game, when you headbite, you get more health.
And on the funny side, Family Guy's Alien Queen also said in a rapper or hippie voice, "We love to eat people from other places".
I think that's what she said.
I still don't like the idea that they eat flesh. It made them much more cruel when they tore off flesh out of instinct. When you give them the desire to eat, you just make them a stupid animal that's compelled by its stomach.
It never really shows that the Aliens "eat." All we get is an Alien headbiting 2 times.
complaining about aliens eating is really nitpicking. they have intestines and mouths and they have sharp teeth. this coupled with the fact that ALL living things eat and you have more than enough proof that aliens eat.
eating aliens is hardly the worst part of this movie.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Dec 30, 2007, 08:34:13 AM
It never really shows that the Aliens "eat." All we get is an Alien headbiting 2 times.
True, and I wouldn't think it really was if I hadn't heard that they would be eating in the film (I mean,
Alien 3 had the creature just as ambiguous in its habits)...but the idea that it was the intent of the scene bugs me.
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 30, 2007, 08:37:10 AM
complaining about aliens eating is really nitpicking. they have intestines and mouths and they have sharp teeth. this coupled with the fact that ALL living things eat and you have more than enough proof that aliens eat.
eating aliens is hardly the worst part of this movie.
yeah, I mean, if they diddnt eat, why would they even have a mouth?
As others before me have said, they do not need to eat organic material if they do in fact eat. It wouldn't make much sense that they did eat flesh if you look at the design of the previous mouths and their respective tongue.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 30, 2007, 08:29:42 AM
I still don't like the idea that they eat flesh. It made them much more cruel when they tore off flesh out of instinct. When you give them the desire to eat, you just make them a stupid animal that's compelled by its stomach.
But Aliens are extraterrestrial creatures too, they crawl in 4 legs and have sharp teethes like ginsu knives. Not to mention the protruding inner jaw literally dug into a person's noggin and can be very fatal.
You think undead creatures are the only ones that can feed on the living? Aliens can too.
why so many assumptions they are space velociraptors and not biomechanical killing machines?
They have teeths, calws, inner jaws etc. not to eat, but to kill! They are addapting to their enemy/prey, and useing all those things gained from their oponents to simply kill them with bigger efficiency. They`ve got very potent accid insted of blood cause they are walking batteries with only one perpous. To kill as much as they can.
I'm not big on knowing too much about the Aliens, b ut I don't see the problem with them potentially eating people.
It's pretty obvious they can take nutrients from our system in some way, else the burster would never work.
But after emergence, thay are killing machines not Jepper Creppers without wings.
Quote from: Master on Dec 30, 2007, 01:06:29 PM
They have teeths, calws, inner jaws etc. not to eat, but to kill! They are addapting to their enemy/prey, and useing all those things gained from their oponents to simply kill them with bigger efficiency. They`ve got very potent accid insted of blood cause they are walking batteries with only one perpous. To kill as much as they can.
after avp-r, where we have at least two rip-off scenes from jurassic park (alien/raptor in the kitchen doors, chet/t-rex in the bushes during the rain), only one interpretaytion will be forced - they are jp dinosaurs from space, end of discussion ::)
MAYBE it was preparing to make him into hive material.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 30, 2007, 01:47:44 PM
MAYBE it was preparing to make him into hive material.
maybe. doesn't change the fact it looked ridiculous for me. i would prefer ripping body to shreds by claws and taking the parts of the body to the hive so much more...
In the approved novelization of Alien, the Nostromo crew discovers that one of the food lockers has been broken into and several items eaten. This takes places a liitle bit after the chestburster flees the table. I have no trouble at all believing that xenomorphs require nourishment to sustain themselves. Especially if I'm expected to believe that something the size of a cobra grows into an 8-ft tall creature with limbs in just a few hours.
Quote from: Newsfop on Dec 30, 2007, 02:38:53 PM
In the approved novelization of Alien, the Nostromo crew discovers that one of the food lockers has been broken into and several items eaten. This takes places a liitle bit after the chestburster flees the table. I have no trouble at all believing that xenomorphs require nourishment to sustain themselves. Especially if I'm expected to believe that something the size of a cobra grows into an 8-ft tall creature with limbs in just a few hours.
now you have accept it grows into even bigger f**ker in 1 minute 30 seconds (predalien)
Wow...why is this thread still alive?
People are still not over this?... ::)
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 30, 2007, 08:37:10 AM
complaining about aliens eating is really nitpicking. they have intestines and mouths and they have sharp teeth. this coupled with the fact that ALL living things eat and you have more than enough proof that aliens eat.
eating aliens is hardly the worst part of this movie.
I suppose it's not actually known if they have intestines. Anyway it seems like a nit that the Strauses expected people to want to pick so pick away I suppose
Quote from: Demonio Cazador on Dec 30, 2007, 02:59:34 PM
Wow...why is this thread still alive?
People are still not over this?... ::)
Wow, you're still cheerleading mindlessly despite the fact people don't seem to be buying your brand of forced cheerleader cheerineiss? You're not over the fact some people refuse to take what is shoveled out?
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 30, 2007, 02:53:47 PM
now you have accept it grows into even bigger f**ker in 1 minute 30 seconds (predalien)
I presume that to be an error in editing to show that it blew up to gargantuan size in no time at all. Though you'd think that the predators on the ship might show a little more concern that there's a giant hole in the torso of their newly fallen comrade instead of going about business as usual with a living death machine running around the ducts and corridors.
Quote from: Newsfop on Dec 30, 2007, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 30, 2007, 02:53:47 PM
now you have accept it grows into even bigger f**ker in 1 minute 30 seconds (predalien)
I presume that to be an error in editing to show that it blew up to gargantuan size in no time at all. Though you'd think that the predators on the ship might show a little more concern that there's a giant hole in the torso of their newly fallen comrade instead of going about business as usual with a living death machine running around the ducts and corridors.
if i remember correctly it was in the very first version of the script, reviewed by aintitcoolnews. 'predalien grows to the fullsize in the matter of seconds'
Quote from: Xhan on Dec 30, 2007, 03:17:11 PM
Quote from: Demonio Cazador on Dec 30, 2007, 02:59:34 PM
Wow...why is this thread still alive?
People are still not over this?... ::)
Wow, you're still cheerleading mindlessly despite the fact people don't seem to be buying your brand of forced cheerleader cheerineiss? You're not over the fact some people refuse to take what is shoveled out?
Wait what?...cheerleading? hahaha that's hilarious... :D
Nope, I'm jsut saying that I don't know why people are such cry babies about it...
What's wrong with an Alien feeding?...why have a mouth if not to feed? He doesn't talk, now does he?
It's like complaining that he walks on it's feet, or grabs with it's hands...
Sorry if you feel they raped the Alien mistery, but ever since Alien, it was quite clear to me that it feeds...
We never really see it eating. All it did was smash up the dead body with its inner jaw, then used the inner jaw to bring back small parts. Its never really clearly shown eating, chewing, swallowing, ect. If you don't like the fact that it was eating, you could just say it was ripping apart a dead body for shits and giggles.
Personally, I don't mind. Were just seeing stuff that was already assumed off screen. And I find it funny that people can cry about the fact that the Predalien has dreadlocks, and how it doesn't make sense, yet when it comes to an alien eating, because it needs food to live, that's totally unreal.
Aliens don't need food. I mean, it only provides them with energy and sustinence. They don't need that.
How is this such a big deal?? The aliens are eating so what?....we clearly saw in Alien 3 that the dog alien was eating the humans so how is this something to complain about at all?
Whatever, everyones entitled to there own opinion I just think to complain about this is sorta stupid and pointless because its not like aliens don't ever have to eat.
For all we know maybe the aliens aren't really "eating" as we think of it. I mean, they build hives right? They have to have some kind of intake if they're gonna secrete that much slime. Who's to say that maybe ingesting organic matter and then secreting it in some way isn't how they build their nests? Bees and wasps chew wood and plant matter into paper for their nests.
I like this idea better than imagining an alien eating something and taking a crap somewhere, but at this point it's all up to speculation.
I always figured that Aliens didn't need to eat unless they wanted to produce resin for hive construction. But the idea of them eating for nutrition doesn't bother me.
Quote from: TheAncientEnemy on Dec 30, 2007, 07:36:50 PM
I like this idea better than imagining an alien eating something and taking a crap somewhere, but at this point it's all up to speculation.
I remember seeing a drawing of the alien by Giger, and it's squats and well looks as if it's "taking a crap" and then the 'crap" wriggles away
Colin claims the Alien's waste is the hive resin, so AVP-R apparently insinuates that the Aliens eat human flesh and then crap out hive resin later.
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 30, 2007, 02:53:47 PM
Quote from: Newsfop on Dec 30, 2007, 02:38:53 PM
In the approved novelization of Alien, the Nostromo crew discovers that one of the food lockers has been broken into and several items eaten. This takes places a liitle bit after the chestburster flees the table. I have no trouble at all believing that xenomorphs require nourishment to sustain themselves. Especially if I'm expected to believe that something the size of a cobra grows into an 8-ft tall creature with limbs in just a few hours.
now you have accept it grows into even bigger f**ker in 1 minute 30 seconds (predalien)
OK I'm gonna accept that when you see a movie transition from night to day you say "ZOMFG NIGHT TO DAY IN 4 SECONDS!!!!"
For us it was a short time, in reality it was longer.
*Spoilers*
I personally didnt mind the scene at all, in fact I found it quite disturbing the way the Alien dragged the body over to its prefered eating spot and than punching the body's head in with it inner jaw. It had a chilling feel it for me.
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 28, 2007, 09:05:05 PM
Yeah the Strauses seem to have reduced the Aliens to dumb zombies.
And what were they in ALIENS? Grad students?
Quote from: Vemados on Dec 30, 2007, 09:09:42 PM
OK I'm gonna accept that when you see a movie transition from night to day you say "ZOMFG NIGHT TO DAY IN 4 SECONDS!!!!"
For us it was a short time, in reality it was longer.
i wouldn't say that, if it wouldn't be wrote on paper with words in the script. we knew about it from the very beginning back in 2005 and in movie nothing indicates, that something changed. maybe unrated edition will bring at least 5 or 10 more minutes in movie time to the process.
as for discussion, funny how people are trying to look smart, when they even didn't bother to read the whole thread and have no idea what they talking about, eh.
AND ONCE AGAIN I DIDN"T WANT TO START IT ALL OVER AGAIN, WHEN VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION ALREADY IS ON THE PREVIOUS PAGESeverything you're writing here guys has been wrote earlier several times.
all i want to know is why
COLIN LIED, when he said i'm wrong and it will look more like alien3 scene only little bit closer.
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 30, 2007, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: Vemados on Dec 30, 2007, 09:09:42 PM
OK I'm gonna accept that when you see a movie transition from night to day you say "ZOMFG NIGHT TO DAY IN 4 SECONDS!!!!"
For us it was a short time, in reality it was longer.
i wouldn't say that, if it wouldn't be wrote on paper with words in the script. we knew about it from the very beginning back in 2005 and in movie nothing indicates, that something changed. maybe unrated edition will bring at least 5 or 10 more minutes in movie time to the process.
as for discussion, funny how people are trying to look smart, when they even didn't bother to read the whole thread and have no idea what they talking about, eh.
AND ONCE AGAIN I DIDN"T WANT TO START IT ALL OVER AGAIN, WHEN VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION ALREADY IS ON THE PREVIOUS PAGES
everything you're writing here guys has been wrote earlier several times.
all i want to know is why COLIN LIED, when he said i'm wrong and it will look more like alien3 scene only little bit closer.
I remember someone explaining that to you. Provide quotes of what he said and you said please.
So whats this whole argument about? Aliens eating predators/humans? Humans eating alien/predators? Predators eating aliens/humans?
Colin must have been referring to the diner.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 31, 2007, 12:15:54 AM
Colin must have been referring to the diner.
Yeah probably. Aliens for dinner. They wouldnt be nice to eat. Abit crunchy and you would have a burning sensation in your mouth while your eating... nasty.
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:44:58 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 12:32:22 AM
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
here you go gases
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 31, 2007, 12:19:27 AM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:44:58 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 12:32:22 AM
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
here you go gases
With the first jaw? I cant remember that sequence.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 31, 2007, 12:20:48 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 31, 2007, 12:19:27 AM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:44:58 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 12:32:22 AM
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
here you go gases
With the first jaw? I cant remember that sequence.
alien3 scene was eating living person, while using claws at the same time and headbiting the head.
avp:r scene is alien festing on the guys guts not moving, with only secodnary jaw. looked like 'hmmm i'll bite here, and maybe little here, and, hmm, thaht looks tasty.'
these scenes aren't even comparable,m so he had to have in mind some other, like in the kitchen, or in the molly's room. but why then he just said it without quoting me? or didn't say antyhing at all? quoting my assumption about using secondary jaw to eat and then putting the sentence about alien3 leaves only one interpretation, that is 'you didn't saw that scene, so you don't know, let me tell you how it looks'.
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 31, 2007, 12:25:26 AM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 31, 2007, 12:20:48 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 31, 2007, 12:19:27 AM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:44:58 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 12:32:22 AM
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
here you go gases
With the first jaw? I cant remember that sequence.
alien3 scene was eating living person, while using claws at the same time and headbiting the head.
avp:r scene is alien festing on the guys guts not moving, with only secodnary jaw. looked like 'hmmm i'll bite here, and maybe little here, and, hmm, thaht looks tasty.'
these scenes aren't even comparable,m so he had to have in mind some other, like in the kitchen, or in the molly's room. but why then he just said it without quoting me? or didn't say antyhing at all? quoting my assumption about using secondary jaw to eat and then putting the sentence about alien3 leaves only one interpretation, that is 'you didn't saw that scene, so you don't know, let me tell you how it looks'.
Exactly like in Aliens vs Predator 2 in which you headbite and claw at bodies to regain health.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 31, 2007, 12:29:01 AM
Exactly like in Aliens vs Predator 2 in which you headbite and claw at bodies to regain health.
Khan, don't make me repeat myself for the FIFTH time about that, check few previous pages ;)
AND I'M NOT QUESTIONING IT.
i'm wondering why Colin said in movie there is similiar to Alien3 scene instead of using secondary jaw scene suggested by me.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 31, 2007, 12:18:44 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 31, 2007, 12:15:54 AM
Colin must have been referring to the diner.
Yeah probably. Aliens for dinner. They wouldnt be nice to eat. Abit crunchy and you would have a burning sensation in your mouth while your eating... nasty.
DINER. THE DINER. ONE N.
Quote from: Master on Dec 30, 2007, 01:27:39 PM
But after emergence, thay are killing machines not Jepper Creppers without wings.
You know what this means, kids! It means that the most important thing is that we should be seeing more people getting their body torn apart by Aliens, so that we can see more blood and gore in it, not knowing more about how Aliens live and how their diet goes.
Quote from: brad873 on Nov 28, 2007, 09:03:59 PM
they ate in alien 3. im sure they have a way of eating
me 2...why would they have teeth if they only kill with headbites
I clearly recall a Gary Larson illustration showing that the the aliens at least eat turkey.
But seriously, can someone please give a reference to the idea that aliens are "perfect organisms", other than in the sense as relative to earth-evolved life, which is how I interpret the comments made by characters in the movies, who would have no way to know that the aliens were "infinitely adaptable" or other such BS.
If you read the original O'Bannon script you will see that the alien in Alien definitely grows to full size by raiding the food locker.
Because aliens clearly have a biomechanical appearance, I always assumed that in addition to organic material, the aliens grew by consuming metals and other inorganic materials found in space-ships and the colonies of technological species.
Also, according to the original O'Bannon conception, aliens are not "perfect organisms", they are just meant to be very 'alien' with a very disgusting and mysterious life cycle.
Certaintly they were not farming prior to terraforming the planet in Aliens, so there must have been pretty substantial food supplies in the colony, plus it seems logical to assume that a big portion of the alien diet is inorganic material. So I don't think it is a big deal that most of the colonists bodies were not consumed. Perhaps the reason the aliens in AVPR were weaker-skinned is that there was not sufficient high-grade metals in the Gunnison buildings for them to consume, compared to a ship like the Nostromo, or the reactor in Aliens.
just my two cents.
Obviously aliens must consume something to grow. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron who needs to take a basic physics class and learn about conservation of mass-energy.
I never really thought they were vegetarians anyway.
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 31, 2007, 12:32:31 AM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 31, 2007, 12:29:01 AM
Exactly like in Aliens vs Predator 2 in which you headbite and claw at bodies to regain health.
Khan, don't make me repeat myself for the FIFTH time about that, check few previous pages ;)
AND I'M NOT QUESTIONING IT.
i'm wondering why Colin said in movie there is similiar to Alien3 scene instead of using secondary jaw scene suggested by me.
Because you dont really matter in the great scheme of things! ;)
Quote from: Khan on Jan 02, 2008, 06:44:34 PM
Because you dont really matter in the great scheme of things! ;)
fair enough ;)
Quote from: vehtam on Jan 02, 2008, 09:20:43 PM
Quote from: Khan on Jan 02, 2008, 06:44:34 PM
Because you dont really matter in the great scheme of things! ;)
fair enough ;)
Thats life, aint it? Just one giant piece of s*** ;)
I don't think that they would eat metal.
If you think about it, all food is dead organisms.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 28, 2007, 01:38:12 AM
All it did was punch holes...
Have to say, I agree.
If it was 'eating', it would have either been tearing strips off with the far more capable main jaws or stuck the inner ones in and
kept them there, rooting around inside. All it did in the film was to repetitively wound a corpse.
'
Alien 3' doesn't count. We saw at least one victim who was 'rescued' from the Alien and the guy had superficial injuries, at best. No sign of actual eating, in any way.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 21, 2008, 05:48:05 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Dec 28, 2007, 01:38:12 AM
All it did was punch holes...
Have to say, I agree.
If it was 'eating', it would have either been tearing strips off with the far more capable main jaws or stuck the inner ones in and kept them there, rooting around inside. All it did in the film was to repetitively wound a corpse.
'Alien 3' doesn't count. We saw at least one victim who was 'rescued' from the Alien and the guy had superficial injuries, at best. No sign of actual eating, in any way.
What purpose would it have to punch holes in a dead victem? in the AVP-R psp game also you clearly see an Alien eating someone.
It makes perfect sense to me, just like in the AVP2 PC game. why would the Alien even have a mouth if it dosent eat? I dont think it needs to eat to survive though, probably just eats for pleasure and strength.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 21, 2008, 05:48:05 AM
'Alien 3' doesn't count. We saw at least one victim who was 'rescued' from the Alien and the guy had superficial injuries, at best. No sign of actual eating, in any way.
Superficial? You mean the guy who literally drowned in his own blood from the neck wound? I think that's a wee bit more serious than
superficial.
Quote from: vehtam on Dec 31, 2007, 12:19:27 AM
Quote from: Colin_Strause on Nov 29, 2007, 12:44:58 AM
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 29, 2007, 12:32:22 AM
they propably would be using secondary jaw. i can't even imagine how awful it would look, especially with this new, fancy adi jaws design
Or maybe it's just like the scene from Alien3, just a bit closer. ::)
here you go gases
I don't see whats wrong with this. Could have been raking the body with claws while headbiting in alien3. I don't understand whats wrong with this comment or how it is a lie in anyway. Eating was hinted at in alien3 and was shown in avpr. It doesn't matter if the person was dead because he was referring to it's actual eating, not if the victim was dead or alive. This is in no way a lie because it has a great likeness to alien3. He didn't say it's exactly the same as the scene in alien3, he said
maybe it's just like the actual headbiting action maybe. I think you need to step back and be a little more objective.
Cos in Alien3, the Alien didn't just sit there looking like a doofus with his inner jaw just going in and out a few times. It was quite clearly stripping bits off the body - Whether it ate them is debatable.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 21, 2008, 06:32:56 AM
Cos in Alien3, the Alien didn't just sit there looking like a doofus with his inner jaw just going in and out a few times. It was quite clearly stripping bits off the body - Whether it ate them is debatable.
How does that make a difference in anyway if it looked like a doofus.
And it shouldn't need to strip meat from the body when the tounge can pierce skulls. There is plenty of meat even if it didn't choose to strike a different section as it can just go deeper and take mouthfulls with it's penetrating power.
Perhaps in alien3 the alien used it's claws because the prisoner was alive and it had no need in AVPR because the boy was dead. (I can't remember if prisoner was alive or not)
The fact remains, the scene is nothing like the one in Alien 3. We know what the scene in Alien 3 looks like up close because we were shown it in Alien 3, to much better effect.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 21, 2008, 06:55:47 AM
The fact remains, the scene is nothing like the one in Alien 3. We know what the scene in Alien 3 looks like up close because we were shown it in Alien 3, to much better effect.
I know the scenes are different but to suggest Colin is lying for saying eating may have been occuring is too far, when they are implied to be eating.
He is not referring to how the scene is set up, just that there is a possibility the alien may have been eating the body like it was in AVPR.
This is blown way out of proportion, even for this forum.
Again, there was really no impression it was 'eating', just punching more holes.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 21, 2008, 07:27:44 AM
Again, there was really no impression it was 'eating', just punching more holes.
again... why would it do that to a dead victem? not to mention Greg Strause said in an interview that the Aliens eat people. sure looked like eating to me.
Why wouldn't they reach out and slap Wolf when he's literally in arm's reach?
Why would the PredAlien just stand there waiting for Wolf to take his kit off?
And on.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 21, 2008, 08:02:57 AM
Why wouldn't they reach out and slap Wolf when he's literally in arm's reach?
Why would the PredAlien just stand there waiting for Wolf to take his kit off?
And on.
-He was crushing their necks.
-The Predalien was probably curious as to what the Predator was doing.
Quote from: AdamJZ on Jan 21, 2008, 08:04:28 AM
-He was crushing their necks.
The problem with this broken record is that it's been proved just that; broken. Better excuse, please.
Quote-The Predalien was probably curious as to what the Predator was doing.
...Yuh huh.
what scene are people talking about the alien ate in?
i dont remeber any scene where alien ate in AvP-R
the swimming pool scene, the alien just "toungue bites" one of the dead bodies several times.
Ok i want to get away from all of you's obcession that the alien is not a living being but just a weapon. Firstly there is no canon to say whether or not the alien is a weapon its just Weyland-Yutani's idea that it could be used as a weapon. Secondly in Alien the scene where Dallas is cocooned to the ship was originally to say that the Alien was going to eat him.
The Alien is a living organism and so will need sustinence, this whole idea of recharging batteries is a load of BS. Anything living needs energy to survive. You guys will proberly turn around and say that the Alien is photosynthetic next time.
Quote from: gases on Jan 21, 2008, 06:59:02 AM
I know the scenes are different but to suggest Colin is lying for saying eating may have been occuring is too far, when they are implied to be eating.
oh god dammit, i was saying he lied not about eating, but HOW the scene WILL LOOK IN THE MOVIE. It looks exactly how i thought and wrote and not even in single way how Colin described. Jesus, why i have to explain this everytime? :(
This goes way back to Alien, I recall reading an interview at the time that mentioned the Alien consumed anything, metal/dirt etc and this explained the whole biomechanical look.
The only eating scene I remember was the with Dale's goon.
Yeah that was another odd moment.
I don't know if he did or didn't...but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. They said a lot of things.
He's probably just referring to the Dale's buddies who are both teens/children. Maybe the way he worded it was wrong.
Sarcasm.
Yeah, that doesn't sound like a literal comment.
As opposed "I don't think any of the Aliens are cannon fodder" - which is difficult to misinterpret.
I don't get the big deal everyone has with the drone eating the guy or whatever. It was hinted that the Aliens eat people in Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection.
Quote from: The Diesel on Jan 22, 2008, 03:54:14 AM
I don't get the big deal everyone has with the drone eating the guy or whatever. It was hinted that the Aliens eat people in Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection.
Yeah but in Alien 3 the alien ripped and tore at the body viciously, making it look like it was. In AvP-R it just shot out it's inner tongue and stood there, making it look retarded.
But not to derail my thread, back on topic.
I actually did think about this after I first saw the movie. Maybe this is more deleted material.
The scene where the alien was eating though was indeed crappy looking as hell.
I guess I just didn't think it was that big of a deal.
The scene where it "ate" was bothersome. Not just on the level that the mystery disappeared, but that they didn't even take the time to make a prosthetic tongue.
Or make the shot look good.
NO WAI!!!! SKULLf**kING IS EXTREEEEME!!!!!!!oneoneuno.
HARDCORE
+1
That whole sequence with the alien eating the boy was pointless. How did it move the story? It didn't at all. To me it was to show the Predator using his spear. they could've saved that to the end.
The way you could work around that is to cut that little sequence with the alien and Wolf and just have the Morales and Dallas enter the pool house and cut directly to the locker room. Just seeing the bloody mess has more impact to me.
I remember when Greg said that nobody was cheering for the alien... I still laughing whit that :D :D :D :D
You're not supposed to cheer for the Alien. With that said, I don't see how that has anything to do with wanting a good portrayl of the creature.
For the predator either :)
EDIT: Drone 8).
And it was just a comment, the aliens in this movie are by far the worsts of all, hopefully this one and AVP are not cannon^^.
Quote from: AdamJZ on Jan 21, 2008, 05:54:54 AM
What purpose would it have to punch holes in a dead victem? in the AVP-R psp game also you clearly see an Alien eating someone.
I don't know what purpose it would serve, but it sure as heck wasn't eating anything. :)
Like I said, it seriously looked like the thing had a low IQ and was majorly obsessed with doing the same thing on a loop. The directors might have had a different intent, but it didn't get conveyed very well, if they had.
QuoteIt makes perfect sense to me, just like in the AVP2 PC game. why would the Alien even have a mouth if it dosent eat? I dont think it needs to eat to survive though, probably just eats for pleasure and strength.
I pointed out the problem with it being portrayed as actually 'eating' - and it applies to the game, too.
1: If it was physically eating, it would either have to use the main jaws and tear pieces of flesh away.
2: If it exclusively uses the inner jaws and not outers, then just sdtriking them in and out does nothing. It should have struck in, then
kept them in the wound and started to do the actually feasting.
The game portrayed striking as a method to eat, but those who made it didn't really think about the mechanics of doing so. It was like how they had the Predators being unable to stay cloaked when firing, even though it contradicted the films. Or how that Predalien was
slower than a human-hosted version. A lot of very unrealistic decisions were taken for making that game, purely to provide 'balance'.
Quote from: AdamJZ on Jan 21, 2008, 08:04:28 AM
He was crushing their necks.
Yet they were very clearly still moving and thrashing about - especially their razor-tipped tails.
Heck, if we're going to believe the Predator's whip was capable of doing what it did, because of being Alien tail, then they need not even have stabbed. They could have just wrapped around and shredded.
When I watched it, I made the deliberate decision to see it as a 'monster film'. Something unconnected from both series, in the hope that would improve my view of it. It did, but things like that were still blatently obvious mistakes. I was sitting there, watching it, remembering how one of the directors kept hinting to us that something unpredictable would happen during it and... Nothing. It was taken up with the Predator posing, looking at each of the creatures in turn and I'm watching it,
unable to think of anything other than, "Why don't they
do something about it?"
QuoteThe Predalien was probably curious as to what the Predator was doing.
No, it was arrogant. It wasn't tilting its head or anything, like the Queen at the elevator. It was just standing there, roaring its head off. Challenging.
It
should have just rushed the Predator and torn its guts out, but seemingly could not be bothered to do so. Much like when the Predator vaguely wounded it a bit, across the thorax or when the hunman group took a few meaningless shots at it and made it run away.
The Predalien
should have been portrayed as a vicious, unstoppable killing machine, even more so than its brethren. How it was ultimately shown, was as a big bulky thing prone to 'rage issues' and scared of anything which went 'bang'.
Seriously, I think the Acheron Aliens could easily have killed it. They didn't f**k around. This Predalien did.
I don't know, maybe Predators going on Alien hunts get injected with something to make any hosted Alien easier to kill and looking stupid or something... At least, maybe if they do, there's hope for a future story to do the concept justice in the way it should.
i thought the inner jaw poking the kid was pretty lame.. it was just standing there with the crappy sound effects poking him
i mean they've got all of those razor sharp teeth and they don't use them??????
Quote from: SiL on Jan 21, 2008, 08:02:57 AM
Why wouldn't they reach out and slap Wolf when he's literally in arm's reach?
Why would the PredAlien just stand there waiting for Wolf to take his kit off?
And on.
yeah and why didn't the queen just impale ripley in the power loader instead of being a clumsy bitch
you can ask these questions all day. But it was one predator so aliens had to be sacrificed. You know it would have been different if there were more.
I bet almost no one questioned it at the time though because the movie is so immersive and well handled that you don't begin asking these questions until you've watched the movie to death. The kinds of problems people are noticing in AVPR are normally the things that you don't pick up on until you've watched the movie 100s of times with various scenes going frame by frame.
I picked up on it and I've only seen it once. :)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 22, 2008, 04:16:50 PM
I picked up on it and I've only seen it once. :)
That was his point :P
Quote from: gases on Jan 22, 2008, 02:29:54 PM
yeah and why didn't the queen just impale ripley in the power loader instead of being a clumsy bitch
I think the question is why didn't you remember that it tried several times to do just that, but couldn't...
There's not much "question" in it.
That's how apologists work.
Quote from: D88M on Jan 22, 2008, 06:47:19 AM
For the predator either :)
Exactly. I don't root for the Predator, but I sure as heck was pissed when
AVP rolled around and they looked like football players from space. Wanting them to be at their best =/= rooting for them.
ok, so in AVP right after the Shooting Gallery scene, you see one of the Dead aliens intestines fall out, and they are clearly intestines.
so... Aliens eat. even if they dont have to to survive.
Dont forget Alien Resurrection also when those two ganged up on the one to escape. You can clearly see intestines also in that scene.