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It's become impossible to get facts on what's going on with Alien V through the forums.  It's all conjecture...

So once again, this is rumour control.  Here are the facts...

(Please post only facts here.  Comments can go elsewhere.  By facts I mean confirmed quotes by the studio, actors, director, producers etc.  At least this will be close to factual.  Production pictures or relevant photos or videos should go here as well.)

Here is a link to the confirmed news on AVP Galaxy:

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/category/alien-5-news/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/category/alien-5-news/)

Neill Blomkamp Q&A: Director talks Alien reboot and new film Chappie (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/02/24/neill-blomkamp-alien-chappie-qa)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ#ws)

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And there's the video in this thread, which has unfortunately been made private and can no longer be viewed: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=52374.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=52374.0)

Sigourney is on Jonathan Ross tonite.

Someone post that interview here.

I just watched it but she didn't say much about it.

Technically this isn't a fact but it is understood that we will not get the full picture for a while and this is a case of putting together the pieces of a puzzle.  As long as it isn't an opinion post, but a collection of news bits, things like this belong here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2xhmu0/michael_beihn_says_hes_been_contacted/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2xhmu0/michael_beihn_says_hes_been_contacted/)

Looks like according to this, Michael Biehn will reprise his role as Hicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX-gGI_DQlQ#t=182 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX-gGI_DQlQ#t=182)

The media is running with Michael Biehn's quotes from Pensacon...

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Alien-5-Bring-Back-Michael-Biehn-Here-What-He-Said-70072.html (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Alien-5-Bring-Back-Michael-Biehn-Here-What-He-Said-70072.html)

Here you go: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/category/alien-5-news/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/category/alien-5-news/)  :)

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2015, 08:37:24 AM
Here you go: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/category/alien-5-news/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/category/alien-5-news/)  :)

Oh, ok, thanks Corporal!

BD article about facts:

http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3334278/michael-biehn-contacted-alien-sequel/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3334278/michael-biehn-contacted-alien-sequel/)

The key line which is getting lost in all this:

20th Century Fox is behind it, and Blomkamp is officially signed on to develop it. Read that sentence again. This does not guarantee a thing. This does not promise that Blomkamp's eventual sequel will get greenlit, it also does not guarantee Weaver's return as Ripley. It sure as hell doesn't lock in the resurrection of Biehn's Corporal Hicks. All this means is that he's being paid to officially develop it.

No one is saying it's a sure thing? We certainly haven't reported that.

No understood, but it was good to see an article out side of here that states it.

There's more discussion on Digital Spy as well: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html?utm_source=tw&utm_medium=dsuk&utm_campaign=twdsuk#~p5N1f5nh48TJLw (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html?utm_source=tw&utm_medium=dsuk&utm_campaign=twdsuk#~p5N1f5nh48TJLw) in which Weaver and NB are talking like it is going to happen.

And, when asked at the end if Rippers and Hicks will be back he says "Hopefully, we'll see them."

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2015, 03:41:19 PM
No one is saying it's a sure thing? We certainly haven't reported that.

I propose that this thread is especially for dropping news links as they are reported.  I would consider those as "fluid facts" which may be subject to change.  This is a good place to paste all of the articles prior to sifting through before they go to the official news section.  The key is to avoid opinions and commentaries in this thread as it will quickly become very lengthy and searching the news posts will be impossible...

Probably unnecessary as they'll get new threads as and when they pop up.

True, but I'm with Nightmare on this one - (feel free to delete this comment, saying this). I reckon this thread should be a member conjecture free zone - just the links and a bit of context?

http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/23891/1/neill-blomkamp-wants-to-take-alien-back-to-its-roots (http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/23891/1/neill-blomkamp-wants-to-take-alien-back-to-its-roots)



With thanks to: Tough little S.O.B.

"It's the inverse in that now I get to make the third film of the first two, which I think never happened. I think they made the first two and then went off the rails with these other ones. I wanna try as a fan to fill in that gap. It all stems from being probably one of the most ego-less directors in Hollywood and I think that that plays a big role. If you're inward focused and narcissistic and thinking about your fans then that's when weird shit starts happening. If you stay grounded then you can make stuff that actually is balanced and has something to say. I don't want to give much away but what I can say confidently is that Alien and Aliens are my favourite films and where it went after Aliens was incorrect to me as a fan. I didn't want that world, I wanted the first two and that's what I want to go back to."

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http://whatculture.com/film/michael-biehn-says-hell-be-back-for-neill-blomkamps-alien-movie.php (http://whatculture.com/film/michael-biehn-says-hell-be-back-for-neill-blomkamps-alien-movie.php)

Further confirmation of Biehn's involvement.  Nothing new really...

That. f**king. Phrase.

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Thankfully Neill never says it.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2015, 08:46:34 PM
That. f**king. Phrase.

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Thankfully Neill never says it.

I'm in support of it but that's immaterial if it was never really said.  How do you know?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2015, 08:46:34 PM
That. f**king. Phrase.

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Thankfully Neill never says it.

What phrase! What phrase!

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 08:56:29 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2015, 08:46:34 PM
That. f**king. Phrase.

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Thankfully Neill never says it.

I'm in support of it but that's immaterial if it was never really said.  How do you know?

I read the article.

So did I, but i didn't see "dream" or "retcon" -- you had me going there for a minute man, I was like "what did I miss!"

Perhaps I should have been clearer. I'm referring to the phrase "going back to the roots". You read my AvP3 wishlist, I expressed a dislike for it in there.

Of course, sorry man, I was fixated on the other things.

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/sigourney-weaver-neill-blomkamp-alien-sequel-film-1201446877/ (http://variety.com/2015/film/news/sigourney-weaver-neill-blomkamp-alien-sequel-film-1201446877/)

Don't expect a shared Alien-Predator universe.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/05/neill-blomkamp-alien_n_6801894.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/05/neill-blomkamp-alien_n_6801894.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592)

I reckon that's just his view, Rakai - as he says he "hopes not", but I'm sure Ridley and Cameron felt the same way, but that won't stop Fox from dusting off AvP if Black'n'Blom's movies are hits.

Shared universe might be something they'd steer clear off, but I don't know - not now that F&S is officially the new canon (it is isn't it?) and done away with all other EU stuff?

Quote from: Russ on Mar 06, 2015, 10:25:45 AM
Shared universe might be something they'd steer clear off, but I don't know - not now that F&S is officially the new canon (it is isn't it?) and done away with all other EU stuff?

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/485f546bd591463178706c24c8a7f597/tumblr_inline_njo2mnhkm51rx8vc4.png)

This would be my face right now. A sheer look of potential defeat.

I liked the AvP movies, the first one probably just as much or more than you (I can do without Requiem). But with the direction which Fox is going in, and a direction which I don't agree with.. I really hope we don't get something done like how Marvel is doing with the films.

I think Marvel really have it nailed as far as the fanbase goes - I love Marvel movies (I'm a bigger DC fan, it has to be said) but I've kind of suffered from not seeing Cap America II and Thor II. I used to watch Agents of Shield, but what I found was you have to be bang up to date with the movies as well because they reference things that you may not have seen. In S2 of Shield, I was totally lost because I didn't know what they were going on about half the time.

It's pure fan service - and in a good way as I'm in minority not having kept up with the movies, but I can't let that take away from the brilliant work they've done with linking and connecting all this stuff up.

I think that would be possible to do with A(vP) too, but it's a big call for them to make. I really do think AvP3 will see the light of day, but I wonder if they'd be brave enough to reference Black'n'Blom's films... I just don't know.

I guess it depends on how they handle AvP3 - what they think the market is. It wouldn't be hard to make a more cerebral take on the "versus" aspect, but I imagine it'll be all about the demographic in that Aliens and Predator are (obviously) cinematic works where as the Versus is based on a game.

I don't think these retries at Aliens and Predator will inform the versus movie at this stage. But sequels might?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2015, 09:24:32 PM
Perhaps I should have been clearer. I'm referring to the phrase "going back to the roots". You read my AvP3 wishlist, I expressed a dislike for it in there.

It makes sense to me. Going back to the source material, or more accurately to what make the series so likeable in the first place. What's not to like?

Folks let's keep this thread limited to facts (or at least the closest thing we can get) only.  There are plenty of other commentary sections in the forum.

It looks like there may be 2 Alien films from Blomkamp!

http://screencrush.com/neill-blomkamp-alien-two-films/ (http://screencrush.com/neill-blomkamp-alien-two-films/)

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Here is another website saying the same thing.  It would be awesome if Blomkamp did 2 Aliens films!

http://www.movieweb.com/alien-5-movie-sequel-neill-blomkamp-two-movies (http://www.movieweb.com/alien-5-movie-sequel-neill-blomkamp-two-movies)

Two more Alien movies? I think eight movies are enough.. I am accounting the AvPs and the Prometheus movies too. Nine is a little much.. Ten is just... Mmmmrphh.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 08, 2015, 02:13:03 AM
Two more Alien movies? I think eight movies are enough.. I am accounting the AvPs and the Prometheus movies too. Nine is a little much.. Ten is just... Mmmmrphh.

I  personally count,

Predator, Predator 2, Shane Black's Predator, Predators, Prometheus, Paradise, Alien, Aliens, (A3 & A:R) Neill Blompkamp's Alien III.

So we're already on eleven, likely to be getting 12 and 13 if things go well with both Paradise and N-B's Alien.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 08, 2015, 02:13:03 AM
Two more Alien movies? I think eight movies are enough.. I am accounting the AvPs and the Prometheus movies too. Nine is a little much.. Ten is just... Mmmmrphh.

For me, 1 was fine: Alien. : P

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 08, 2015, 01:28:15 AM
Folks let's keep this thread limited to facts (or at least the closest thing we can get) only.  There are plenty of other commentary sections in the forum.

It looks like there may be 2 Alien films from Blomkamp!

http://screencrush.com/neill-blomkamp-alien-two-films/ (http://screencrush.com/neill-blomkamp-alien-two-films/)

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Here is another website saying the same thing.  It would be awesome if Blomkamp did 2 Aliens films!

http://www.movieweb.com/alien-5-movie-sequel-neill-blomkamp-two-movies (http://www.movieweb.com/alien-5-movie-sequel-neill-blomkamp-two-movies)

This is purely conjecture. Surely FOX will want to continue the franchise but Blomkamp is merely acknowleging the room for more than one film. And many, many of us have noticed that there are massive gaps and a lack of clarity in the time line that can be exploited and this is likely all he is noting as well. There is plenty of space b/w ALIEN and ALIENS and no reason to rule out the space b/w ALIENS and ALIEN3...

But this does seem to confirm that his film is filling one of these gaps. Possibly both. But one thing can be certain - these reporters don't know what they are talking about when they place his film bw ALIEN and ALIENS because Hicks wasn't hit with acid yet, nor introduced to the story.

The only way this could be between ALIEN and ALIENS is if Ripley deliberately doesn't want the company to know about whatever happens between those two films, and the same can be said for it taking place after Aliens.

Of course Blomkamps film could take place between both films. Meaning he can introduce something bw Alien and Aliens then pick it back up after Aliens.

But right now ALL CONJECTURE. No facts.

Or y'know if you really want to do a story with Hicks & Ripley- you're better to outright ignore one of the films to make that story rather than idiotically dancing around it with clones/memories/dreams crap.

I can see more films in both "timelines" yes, but do I think films in the A3 timeline will include Hicks and Ripley?

To quote A3 "No f*cking way."

Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 08, 2015, 12:52:05 PM
Or y'know if you really want to do a story with Hicks & Ripley- you're better to outright ignore one of the films to make that story rather than idiotically dancing around it with clones/memories/dreams crap.

I agree with this. I strongly, and violently agree with this!

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 08, 2015, 06:41:30 PM

Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 08, 2015, 12:52:05 PM
Or y'know if you really want to do a story with Hicks & Ripley- you're better to outright ignore one of the films to make that story rather than idiotically dancing around it with clones/memories/dreams crap.

I agree with this. I strongly, and violently agree with this!

Guys, you make valid points.  Totally... but this thread is set up to collect all the latest facts or at least news only.  Its a place where we can go to see what is the latest info that is flying around out there in the news.  It may not be 100% factual but certainly this is not da place for opinions.  There are ample threads under the Alien 5 section to do that, or it takes 1 click to make a new one.  Let's make this thread an info-only resource.

Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 08, 2015, 12:52:05 PM
Or y'know if you really want to do a story with Hicks & Ripley- you're better to outright ignore one of the films to make that story rather than idiotically dancing around it with clones/memories/dreams crap.

I can see more films in both "timelines" yes, but do I think films in the A3 timeline will include Hicks and Ripley?

To quote A3 "No f*cking way."

Its entirely plausible to place a film between Aliens and Alien 3 without treading on the events in either film. I worked it out in my head the other night and watched Alien3 to confirm what I had come up with. Nothing in Alien 3 would contradict a story between Aliens and Alien3, and if you handle the ending of it properly, it could make Alien 3 a better film.
The problem really is the aging process. In Hicks case, his face is largely covered. But in Sigourney's they would have to work on it with CGI ala TRON Legacy.

This may not be what he wants to do, but there is conflicting evidence to explain whether this will outright retcon 3 and 4.

I am also strictly against cloning and dreams. Dreams, especially.
In truth, I would rather they continued without Ripley altogether than retcon ALIEN 3. 

No it's corny no matter what way you do it, it isn't happening.

(Thank Christ for that.)


And for the hundredth millionth time this isn't a retcon, A3 isn't being erased but it is being ignored which equates to an alternate timeline-
I don't get what's so difficult to (accept &) understand about this.

Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 08, 2015, 09:07:11 PM
No it's corny no matter what way you do it, it isn't happening.

(Thank Christ for that.)


And for the hundredth millionth time this isn't a retcon, A3 isn't being erased but it is being ignored which equates to an alternate timeline-
I don't get what's so difficult to (accept &) understand about this.

Are you serious? What differentiates a RETCON from an ALTERNATE TIMELINE?

There are still multiple reports on a regular basis that provide conflicting info. Blomkamp's words say "I get the opportunity to fill in the gap" and "I'm not trying to undo 3 and 4"... You taking that confusion and creating some difference between a retcon and an alternate timeline is odd. There is no difference, unless Fox were to literally try and destroy all future copies of ALien3 ... Is that what you think constitutes a retcon? A retcon implies an alternate timeline. Its the same thing.

Now, unless I've dreamed this stuff myself - over the years, fans, like Blomkamp, who dislike the third film have been going on and on (for decades now) about how something else has to have happened to get the egg on the sulaco - so it doesn't seem in the least bit strange to suggest that he intends to make his film that something, apart from the age difference which has been accounted for by much lesser franchises like TRON in the past.

Do I pretend to KNOW this is what is happening? NO.

But neither do you and your assertion that an ALTERNATE TIMELINE is somehow not implied by a retcon is just bizarre.
A retcon automatically creates an alternate timeline.

Well, if they put it between AS & A3 it'll be the death of the franchise for me.

Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 08, 2015, 09:28:14 PM
Well, if they put it between AS & A3 it'll be the death of the franchise for me.

To me you have more to lose if you go with ignoring films. Because then if it sucks or is poorly received - which i think is inevitable. Considering peoples conflicting opinions on several alien films. So i just feel like the only rite way to go is forward and either improve on 4 or just leave ripley out of it. If it was me id make and alien series for cable and leave it alone.
I actually like blomkamp - the end of chappie went a bit downhill - but i expect to like this film but fans to end up wishimg alien 3 never got retconned. I expect any third part of a trilogy to be devisive by default and i think history repeats itself
But i also expect to like the movie.
Im iust laughing at the very little it takes to get people excited over what has no guarantee to be good.

I fully expect it to be bad, I just wouldn't be able to stomach the "inbetweequel" unless it was after A3 but before A:R and didn't include Ripley.

If you're going to include Ripley it has to either be a retcon or after A:R and considering Ripley 8 isn't even Ellen Ripley to most- only one of those options is viable.

But I could be wrong it could be good, just like "Paradise" the odds are against us- but I can hope.

Quote from: NickisSmart on Mar 07, 2015, 10:57:36 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2015, 09:24:32 PM
Perhaps I should have been clearer. I'm referring to the phrase "going back to the roots". You read my AvP3 wishlist, I expressed a dislike for it in there.

It makes sense to me. Going back to the source material, or more accurately to what make the series so likeable in the first place. What's not to like?

I hate the phrase, not the intention. It's over-used and nearly meaningless in terms of the actual result. AvPR was consistently saying it was "going back to the roots".

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 08, 2015, 06:49:55 PM
Guys, you make valid points.  Totally... but this thread is set up to collect all the latest facts or at least news only.  Its a place where we can go to see what is the latest info that is flying around out there in the news.  It may not be 100% factual but certainly this is not da place for opinions.  There are ample threads under the Alien 5 section to do that, or it takes 1 click to make a new one.  Let's make this thread an info-only resource.

It was a valiant effort, man. I was even hoping this thread would have been my go-to place for all the juice.

Dead metaphors should stay dead, in other words. :)

Alien 5 and Prometheus 2 to have a tied plot?

http://masterherald.com/prometheus-2-to-have-a-connected-plotline-with-alien-5/12190/ (http://masterherald.com/prometheus-2-to-have-a-connected-plotline-with-alien-5/12190/)

I altered the title a bit and gave this a sticky so we can have a running thread throughout this whole process in order to compile all news/rumors/articles as we've been doing.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 10, 2015, 01:25:30 AM
Alien 5 and Prometheus 2 to have a tied plot?

http://masterherald.com/prometheus-2-to-have-a-connected-plotline-with-alien-5/12190/ (http://masterherald.com/prometheus-2-to-have-a-connected-plotline-with-alien-5/12190/)

must be taken with a grain of salt

http://www.scified.com/site/prometheusmovies/be-aware-of-websites-promoting-false-prometheus-2-information (http://www.scified.com/site/prometheusmovies/be-aware-of-websites-promoting-false-prometheus-2-information)

Another Sigourney vague quote.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/12/sigourney-weaver-new-alien-movie-weve-found-host-and-its-been-embedded?asdf (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/12/sigourney-weaver-new-alien-movie-weve-found-host-and-its-been-embedded?asdf)

Michael Biehn confirms he is in Alien 5.  Shooting starts in August.

http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/michael-biehn-confirms-appearance-neill-blomkamps-alien-shooting-august/ (http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/michael-biehn-confirms-appearance-neill-blomkamps-alien-shooting-august/)

I'm not convinced that's real.

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2015/03/19/michael-biehn-confirms-hell-return-for-blomkamps-alien-film/ (http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2015/03/19/michael-biehn-confirms-hell-return-for-blomkamps-alien-film/)

CBR:  Michael Biehn Confirms He'll Return For Blomkamp's 'Alien' Film

I recognize this may be a hoax, and it goes to show how the media runs with things...

Alien 5 won't be titled Alien 5, one thing changed to avoid bumping into Prometheus 2

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/34632/alien-5-wont-tread-on-toes-of-prometheus-2#ixzz3V21axxcR (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/34632/alien-5-wont-tread-on-toes-of-prometheus-2#ixzz3V21axxcR)

Alien 5 Updates: Neil Blompkamp fears same plot with Prometheus 2: Sigourney Weaver reprises a different Ellen?

Also, now we are realizing a few subtle elements, albeit,  a number of them could have been speculated from the fine art. For one thing, in the event that there were any uncertainty, Sigourney Weaver will in fact return as Ellen Ripley, and this film ought to give fitting conclusion to her character.

Read more: http://www.vcpost.com/articles/59775/20150423/alien-5-updates-neil-blompkamp-fears-same-plot-with-prometheus-2.htm#ixzz3YFX4tdpo (http://www.vcpost.com/articles/59775/20150423/alien-5-updates-neil-blompkamp-fears-same-plot-with-prometheus-2.htm#ixzz3YFX4tdpo)
http://www.vcpost.com/articles/59775/20150423/alien-5-updates-neil-blompkamp-fears-same-plot-with-prometheus-2.htm (http://www.vcpost.com/articles/59775/20150423/alien-5-updates-neil-blompkamp-fears-same-plot-with-prometheus-2.htm)

No Ripley android or clones

Unless I'm missing something there was nothing new in there or anything that at all related to the title.  :-\

Sorry I was editing that. I think this concludes theres no clone or android Ripley, is the real one. I dont remember if this was confirmed

http://www.scified.com/site/alien5/fox-shuts-down-alien-fan-film-after-its-plot-treads-too-closely-to-that-of-blomkamps-alien-5

Well first post since March if I'm not mistaken.  I was considering if this news about the cancellation of Alien Identity belongs here in this thread, and I think it does.  It appears that the Alien Identity fan film conflicted too much with Alien V so the production was shut down by Fox.

We've been discussing this since yesterday in here following our own news post about the C&D: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=52834.msg2068741#msg2068741

You should check out our front page too!  :)

Personally, I believe it's down to the retcon angle and the return of Hicks, Newt and Ripley.

Still hoping that they're not going down the murky path of retcons, reboots and remakes with this one. Leave that to fan fiction where it belongs.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/07/16/neill-blomkamp-shares-new-alien-5-concept-art/

New concept art released by Blomkamp with caption saying Alien is going well. Love the project.

So I can get this one out the way - http://www.vcpost.com/articles/76809/20150629/alien-5-filming-begins-vancouver-neill-blomkamp-assures-film-wont.htm

This first came up in May on Twitter. Neill replied to an article calling the claim that Alien 5 would be filming in Vancouver "horseshit". Considering how candid he generally is I'm inclined to believe its not him covering his back.

https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/604038391710146560

QuoteSome of the actors from the Ridley Scott's 1979 movie Alien are coming back to reprise their roles.

I stopped reading any further when I read the above.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 20, 2015, 08:25:02 PM
This first came up in May on Twitter. Neill replied to an article calling the claim that Alien 5 would be filming in Vancouver "horseshit".

It does not necessarily mean that Alien 5 won't be filmed in Vancouver, just that it won't happen this fall.

Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Jul 20, 2015, 09:16:58 PM

QuoteSome of the actors from the Ridley Scott's 1979 movie Alien are coming back to reprise their roles.

I stopped reading any further when I read the above.

Maybe the cat is back as well?  :P :laugh:

http://movieweb.com/alien-vs-predator-ripley-death-alien-3/

Apparently according to this article, Sigourney Weaver had her character killed in Alien 3 because she did not like the idea of Alien vs. Predator which FOX wanted to turn into a film.  The article actually relates to Alien 5...

Folks, as I understand, this thread is for posting news on Alien 5 only.  Comments belong elsewhere.  (I'm not an admin, but I expect that will be their take on posting in this thread.  Let's try to keep it as a useful news resource without jamming it up with opinion posts)

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 20, 2015, 09:37:39 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 20, 2015, 08:25:02 PM
This first came up in May on Twitter. Neill replied to an article calling the claim that Alien 5 would be filming in Vancouver "horseshit".

It does not necessarily mean that Alien 5 won't be filmed in Vancouver, just that it won't happen this fall.

That's certainly possible. I did speak to the informant and the source sounded pretty solid.

The current article making the rounds about Ripley hating AvP (not exactly new) did contain some very small news about Alien 5: http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-07-19/sigourney-weaver-alien-vs-predator-really-depressed-me

QuoteThe actress was considerably more enthusiastic about a future addition to the Alien series, namely Neill Blomkamp's untitled sequel/reboot for which concept art was leaked earlier this year.

"I'm so excited about Neill – because Neill is like you guys!" she told the Comic-Con crowd. "He broke the tapes of these movies when he was a kid, he watched them so much."

"I love the fact that's Neill's fulfilling his childhood dream of what he hopes will be the popcorn movie, the Alien popcorn movie that he wanted as a kid to see.

It hasn't been officially confirmed Weaver will be returning for Blomkamp's film, but she implied she'd be involved when a fan asked if Ripley could get a happy ending in the new movie.

"Well – it's certainly something we've discussed," she replied. "I agree, she's had kind of a crap life. Many interruptions."

Check out Blomkamp's Alien room folks!

http://www.scified.com/site/alien5/neill-blomkamp-teases-alien-room-as-production-on-alien-5-continues

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Thanks to Alienscollection.com for finding this.

Just a reminder that this thread is only for facts/rumor news. Thanks.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 06:12:49 AM
Just a reminder that this thread is only for facts/rumor news. Thanks.

The above post of the picture of Blomkamp's Alien room qualifies doesn't it?  A picture is worth, well, at least a hundred words in this case.

It does - it was in response to a post I split off.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 08, 2015, 02:34:48 AM
Check out Blomkamp's Alien room folks!

http://www.scified.com/site/alien5/neill-blomkamp-teases-alien-room-as-production-on-alien-5-continues

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Thanks to Alienscollection.com for finding this.

Very ugly.

Ridley Scott said this in a new interview:

"And we have Neill Blomkamp's Alien, which will be out in 2017. We just have the first [screenplay] draft in so far but it looks pretty good."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/26/ridley-scott-on-the-martian-his-groundbreaking-1984-apple-commercial-and-prometheus-2.html

Yep, typical, the one we really want isn't to be. Goes to show how much fans really matter. The storyline on the Bloomkamp movie is too good to be true, something this fan has always wanted to see. I really didn't care for the two movies after Aliens anyway. It was like they knew what fans wanted and decided to screw the fans and write Alien 3 etc. At my age, I'm used to disappointment...

I thought I saw some blurb somewhere that said Bloomkamp's is on hold due to the, ahem...other one being done. Probably an agreement or something. They sound separate enough to me but of course I'm not keen on a Prometheus sequel, so that'll be the one we get.

This just appeared on Facebook.  Posted by Weyland-Yutani Bulletin.  For what it's worth...


https://plus.google.com/113395974508587547416/posts/4uJQKmBFSKK

Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 18, 2016, 01:50:24 AM
Well at least he knows what he wants to make. Still, it's time to move on. He should concentrate on making an Aliens movie. A movie that revolves around the Alien and not cast from the past.

YES please!

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 18, 2016, 02:51:54 AM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 18, 2016, 01:50:24 AM
Well at least he knows what he wants to make. Still, it's time to move on. He should concentrate on making an Aliens movie. A movie that revolves around the Alien and not cast from the past.

YES please!

This should be a news only thread.  Any opinions on this topic one way or another are entirely valid, but there are other threads for that, or new ones could be set up.  Otherwise we will talk in circles here and this thread won't work very well as a news bulletin thread.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 17, 2016, 11:17:45 PM
This just appeared on Facebook.  Posted by Weyland-Yutani Bulletin.  For what it's worth...


https://plus.google.com/113395974508587547416/posts/4uJQKmBFSKK

I don't think it's anything new. Just a re-iteration of an old news article.

http://aggressivecomix.com/blomkamps-alien-film-update-from-ripley-herself/ (http://aggressivecomix.com/blomkamps-alien-film-update-from-ripley-herself/)

Blomkamp's "Alien" Film: Update From Ripley Herself

QuoteWell, I *think* it is.  Ridley asked Neill NOT to make our Alien til after Prometheus 2.  He (Ridley) wanted his movie to shoot and be released first.  But it's an AMAZING script, and Neill and I are REALLY excited about doing it.  We're doing other things until we can get going on that.  I'd be really surprised if we DIDN'T do it, because it's such a great script, and we love working together.  So, it's just going to take a little bit longer to get out to you, but it'll be worth the wait.

I'm doing a news post so it'll get its own thread in a few minutes.

I can't recall if this came up before or not but at London Film and Comic Con, Carrie Henn told Ross Poulter, one of the admins at the WY Bulletin, that she would be in Alien 5.

QuoteCarrie Henn told Ross, that she would appear in the film via a video call that Ripley makes. She wouldn't be fully in the film.

Looks like this news got a lot of traction

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Alien-5-Worth-Wait-According-Sigourney-Weaver-126577.html

This should be a news only thread.  Any opinions on this topic one way or another are entirely valid, but there are other threads for that, or new ones could be set up.  Otherwise we will talk in circles here and this thread won't work very well as a news bulletin thread.

Sorry, I find myself posting opinions here myself sometimes and then I catch myself and delete them.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3028508/sigourney-weaver-says-neill-blomkamps-alien-sequel-is-still-on/

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 23, 2016, 10:03:16 PM
This should be a news only thread.  Any opinions on this topic one way or another are entirely valid, but there are other threads for that, or new ones could be set up.  Otherwise we will talk in circles here and this thread won't work very well as a news bulletin thread.

Sorry, I find myself posting opinions here myself sometimes and then I catch myself and delete them.

Just to re-iterate that this isn't a discussion thread. It just for news link. I have split off and moved the discussion into the thread related to the new news.

New interview with Lance Henriksen. Says he hasn't been contacted about Alien 5. Doesn't know much about it.

The cast of Aliens were at a panel in Texas the other day:



Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but Sigourney Weaver, right at the end, confirms "Michael is NOT dead, he's in the movie with me."

I mean - we knew that, but it doesn't look to be clones or anything like that. So, I guess I'll see folk over at the "retcon" thread...

Quote from: Russ on Jun 21, 2016, 01:57:47 PM
The cast of Aliens were at a panel in Texas the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS7Wye_xlNo

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but Sigourney Weaver, right at the end, confirms "Michael is NOT dead, he's in the movie with me."

I mean - we knew that, but it doesn't look to be clones or anything like that. So, I guess I'll see folk over at the "retcon" thread...

How is this not front page news?  Even ignoring the confirmation of Hicks being alive, another reunion of the Aliens cast would be something that most fans would enjoy seeing I think...

The reunion is going up later. I just haven't had chance to watch it yet - I don't think the Hicks stuff is really news though.

Come on development hell, do your thing  ;D

http://godhatesgeeks.com/michael-biehn-jennifer-blanc-special-video-come-with-us/

He talks Alien 5 at 8:50 (also a bit about Aliens the question before). Nothing new though.

Not sure if this has already been shared but some interesting news from AICN

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/75618

Quote from: Look into my eye on Jul 07, 2016, 03:59:06 PM
Not sure if this has already been shared but some interesting news from AICN

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/75618

In black and white for everyone -

Quote"It's just as if, you know, the path forks and one direction goes off to three and four and another direction goes off to Neill's movie."

Alternate Alien 3.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 07, 2016, 07:01:58 PM
Alternate Alien 3.

I'm glad that's the route they're taking (as opposed to some dream or clone nonsense). Just make your film, and each of us will individually be the judge.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 07, 2016, 07:01:58 PM

Quote from: Look into my eye on Jul 07, 2016, 03:59:06 PM
Not sure if this has already been shared but some interesting news from AICN

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/75618

In black and white for everyone -

Quote"It's just as if, you know, the path forks and one direction goes off to three and four and another direction goes off to Neill's movie."

Alternate Alien 3.

So.... we're officially getting different continuities then?

The right continuality

Has anyone heard anything about whether or not Newt is in it and if so whether Carrie Henn is doing it?  I only ever hear about Ripley and Hicks aka Weaver and Biehn.

Corporal Hicks shared this a couple months ago.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 06, 2016, 09:01:19 AM
It never got reported on but according to Ross Poulter, one of the admins at WY-Bulletin, at London Film and Comic Con last year he spoke to Carrie Henn who said she would be in the film but only through something like a video link call.

Quote from: Kelgaard on Jul 08, 2016, 03:03:57 AM
Corporal Hicks shared this a couple months ago.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 06, 2016, 09:01:19 AM
It never got reported on but according to Ross Poulter, one of the admins at WY-Bulletin, at London Film and Comic Con last year he spoke to Carrie Henn who said she would be in the film but only through something like a video link call.

Well that's something.

If they're going to bring back Ripley and Hicks they can't NOT bring back Newt at the same time.

And if they're bringing Newt back then I'd hope Carrie Henn despite not being an actor would get a shot at it.

Some more news from Collider today

http://collider.com/alien-5-update-sigourney-weaver-neill-blomkamp/

Sigourney Weaver Says Neill Blomkamp's 'Alien' Sequel Gives Ripley "an Ending"

"It's a great story and it's satisfying to me to give this woman an ending... The script itself has so much in it that's so original, but also really satisfies the, I would say, the primal needs of the aliens. It's a tribute to all of the great work that the other directors have done, in a way, but goes in a completely new direction. I hope we'll do it."



"Fox asked us to delay so Ridley could shoot his [second] Prometheus movie. That was too bad because we would have already done it by now. Now that we're waiting for that, I have a couple of Avatars to do and Neill has The Gone World, so we'll have to see what happens when we get back, when those projects are over."




Hmm, could be a while yet.....

Perfect opportunity to say once again:

Ripley had an ending 26 years ago.

An ill-fitting, unsatisfying ending. Neill called Alien 3 and 4 "incorrect' and he couldn't describe my feelings more accurately.

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 13, 2016, 04:53:02 PM
Perfect opportunity to say once again:

Ripley had an ending 26 years ago.

I second this.

Here's a good way of viewing this film, as hfeldhaus said.

Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jul 13, 2016, 04:02:11 PM
Ripley has had her ending. This will be a flash of what could have been whilst she falls into the furnace at the end of Alien 3.

What were Cameron's and Ridley's reaction to Alien3?

Pretty sure that end comment is something we've already heard.

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Not the exact wording, but she spoke of Alien 5 being the "most satisfying" ending of the story.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/04/27/alien-5-satisfying-end-alien-story/

Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 13, 2016, 05:29:55 PM
What were Cameron's and Ridley's reaction to Alien3?

Cameron admired the artistry, but thought they made a bad move narratively by killing his characters.

I haven't heard what Scott thought of it. Come to think of it, I don't think I've heard him talk negatively about any specific film before. Closest I remember is (paraphrasing) 'if I have to see one more superhero movie I'm gonna tear my head off''.  :D

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 13, 2016, 09:47:29 PM(paraphrasing) 'if I have to see one more superhero movie I'm gonna tear my head off''.  :D

He said that?  LOL. He really said something like that?  You ROCK! Sir Riddles.  Man, I totally get what he means.  All these mindless spectacles from Marvel are so shallow and brain dead.  Except I'd take what he 'said' just that teensy weensy one step further: "If I have to see one more superhero movie I'm gonna tear my head off and shit down my own neck!"  Yeah.  I guess you wanna see me do that now, huh.

HAHA!  Me too, kind of. 

-Windebieste.

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 13, 2016, 09:47:29 PM

Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 13, 2016, 05:29:55 PM
What were Cameron's and Ridley's reaction to Alien3?

I haven't heard what Scott thought of it. Come to think of it, I don't think I've heard him talk negatively about any specific film before. Closest I remember is (paraphrasing) 'if I have to see one more superhero movie I'm gonna tear my head off''.  :D

Yeah, I don't think he ever said anything negative about Alien 3. One of his boys, Jake Scott, worked on Alien 3 as an concept artist. Ridley also visited the Alien 3 set during filming.

But I can tell you about his reaction to AvP:  :)

Quote"Peter vs. Charles: [Ridley] wanted to use Weyland as a conduit in the story," explained Damon Lindelof, "and was not at all interested when I said, 'You know, Weyland was a character in one of the Alien vs. Predator movies.' He just sort of looked at me like I had just slapped him in the face. That was the beginning, middle, and end of all Alien vs. Predator references in our story process."

Lindelof said he feels that Scott was disappointed that Fincher wasn't allowed to do what Fincher does, on Alien 3.

QuoteSigourney talking about the Blomkamp movie. The script is "amazing" and innovative. #SDCC #Aliens30th

https://twitter.com/ThatHashtagShow/status/756986919947374592

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QuoteBoth Sigourney Weaver & @JimCameron say @NeillBlomkamp's Alien script is "amazing, performs fan service & should be made. #Aliens30th #sdcc

https://twitter.com/MarcusErrico/status/756987193688592384

Holy shit! James Cameron endorses Neill's script. That's f**king amazing.

How hard was it to give the fans what they wanted in '92, Fox? You've always gotta give the audience what they want, but in new and unexpected ways.

Please move conversation of the latest comments here: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=54986.0

Quotetalk from a source that Oscar nominated screenwriter @TerriTatchell might be co-writing #Alien5 #District9

https://twitter.com/_ChristopherM/status/760161763119669249

She co-wrote Chappie and District 9 with Blomkamp.

I can tell that she'll nail Ripley.

Not surprising, she is his wife after all and the person who convinced him to do a Alien film in the first place.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 01, 2016, 09:23:43 PM
Not surprising, she is his wife after all and the person who convinced him to do a Alien film in the first place.

Interesting, I had no idea

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/11/10/alien-5-lance-henriksen-says-the-sequel-will-be-spectacular

Quote"You know they're going to make another one. It picks up right where Aliens ended. I don't know if I'm going to be in a baggie or how I'm going to be in it."

"Blomkamp is a really wonderful, wonderful writer. I have a feeling that if he did it, it would be something spectacular. And there's an audience for it."

Henriksen still not contacted about Alien 5 or seen the script.

https://www.screengeek.net/2018/04/16/alien-5-neill-blomkamp-has-moved-on/

Does a dead horse deserve a necropost?   :D

This article deals with why the Alien3 retcon is still a good idea.  It's the right thing to do if the series is to have mainstream success ever again.

https://screenrant.com/alien-5-reboot-timeline-after-aliens-retcon-fix/amp/

"LOL, Lucy said, LMAO."

Edit: Extremely shitty article even with what it's going for.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 11, 2021, 05:50:24 PM
Does a dead horse deserve a necropost?   :D

This article deals with why the Alien3 retcon is still a good idea.  It's the right thing to do if the series is to have mainstream success ever again.

https://screenrant.com/alien-5-reboot-timeline-after-aliens-retcon-fix/amp/

Hey, it's a good horse to beat! :)

Quote from: Rankles75 on Dec 11, 2021, 07:15:47 PM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 11, 2021, 05:50:24 PM
Does a dead horse deserve a necropost?   :D

This article deals with why the Alien3 retcon is still a good idea.  It's the right thing to do if the series is to have mainstream success ever again.

https://screenrant.com/alien-5-reboot-timeline-after-aliens-retcon-fix/amp/

Hey, it's a good horse to beat! :)

Totally!  This still remains the best way to fix the franchise.

Actually I mostly like the franchise the way it is, the thing I love about Alien's that it might be so easy to emulate (superficially anyway) the 1986 film over and over, but it rarely ever does so, instead of rehashing the arguably most popular entry into the dirt, repeatedly following a family lineage and retconning itself over and over again (see Halloween, The Terminator, Star Wars) it's always a different take on the material.

I LOVE Alien The Cold Forge written by Alex White, I LOVE Into Charybdis even more, Phalanx's superb, and a lot more novels to come already announced for next year. And between David's Drawings and them that makes the prequels more than worth it.

And because of the rather mature (even for Alien yes) subject matter explored in each one, with a more controlled traditionally lucrative intellectual property, they might never have got the green light. Actually we can see this in effect now with Marvel's Alien full of tracing and awful storytelling, then compare that to the myriad of creator driven projects with Alien under Dark Horse Press, Kilian Plunkett (Labyrinth), Mike Mignola (Salvation), James Stokoe (Dead Orbit), the list goes on for days.

Alien The RPG's the most profitable and successful in that genre outside of Wizards of the Coast publishing. Alien Isolation's just perfect. The Anthology's only beat by LOTR in terms of the Special Features. The original looks stunning in 4K.

Oh and Noah Hawley, the mind behind Legion, gets free reign on an Alien TV Series and he thinks Aliens and Alien³ both rule?! Yeah I'm really happy with the way things turned out. For the most part.

I mostly agree

Think we can all agree The Cold Forge was amazing, at least? :)

Wasn't as crazy about it as much as everybody else seemed to but sure, why not

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 11, 2021, 05:50:24 PM
Does a dead horse deserve a necropost?   :D

This article deals with why the Alien3 retcon is still a good idea.  It's the right thing to do if the series is to have mainstream success ever again.

https://screenrant.com/alien-5-reboot-timeline-after-aliens-retcon-fix/amp/

"A grown-up Newt would make an excellent protagonist"

(https://www.icegif.com/wp-content/uploads/neil-patrick-harris-dr-horrible.gif)

 :laugh:

(https://i.ibb.co/0YhZxPR/5xjqe7.jpg)

Good God, what a dumb idea.

Blomkamp has a wonderful career ahead of him as... assistant director.
or working at a stupidly titled video game studio that doesn't seem to pay its non-celeb people. (Gunzilla is bound for a big exposé editorial in a year or two).

His Joe Rogan interview was painful. He's thick as a brick. His latest movies are just him assembling a bunch of cool-looking toys in front of the camera without any decent story behind them.

Not to mention that, aesthetically speaking, the concept art for this movie feels seriously dated in what can be best described as "NFT-core"

If Weaver wants to come back, I pray that it's with a better director with a better aesthetic.

Quote from: skhellter on Dec 12, 2021, 05:59:39 PM
If Weaver wants to come back

At this point - please no. We don't need grandma Ripley running around shooting Xenos with pulse rifle

Quote from: Kradan on Dec 12, 2021, 06:45:16 PM

Quote from: skhellter on Dec 12, 2021, 05:59:39 PM
If Weaver wants to come back

At this point - please no. We don't need grandma Ripley running around shooting Xenos with pulse rifle

Unless it's sequel to A:R and they'll explain it with accelerated againg of the clone.

https://screenrant.com/coolest-facts-neill-blomkamp-unmade-alien-film/amp/

I'm not saying that Neil Blomkamp's direction would have been the right one.  The idea of Ripley in an alien suit sounds ridiculous to me, but picking up after the Aliens film makes the most sense.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 12, 2021, 01:13:55 AM
:laugh:

https://i.ibb.co/0YhZxPR/5xjqe7.jpg

You saw what I did there? I didn't even see what I did there. :laugh:

I'm actually agreeing that a grown-up Newt would make an excellent protagonist.

It really doesn't at this point.

People have said as much for coming up on eight years now, and it gets more unlikely with each passing day especially with all the media coming out from the franchise that's firmly rooted in the current continuity, do you think if someone at Disney's considering retconning anything we'd be seeing this?

Vanity Fair: What's next for you?

What's next for me, it looks like, an Alien series for FX, taking on that franchise and those amazing films by Ridley Scott and James Cameron and David Fincher. Those are great monster movies, but they're not just monster movies. They're about humanity trapped between our primordial, parasitic past and our artificial intelligence future—and they're both trying to kill us. Here you have human beings and they can't go forward and they can't go back. So I find that really interesting.


Where are you in that process?

I've written a couple of scripts, the first two scripts, and we're looking to make them next spring. When you get to something with this level of visual effects, there's a lot of preparation that has to go into it. What's been really illuminating is to see that the entire film industry had to take a year off and they are now trying to jam two years of production into one year. So it's very hard to look on the planet earth and see where you might make something in the next six months. Everyone is racing to make up for lost time. So, I figure let that bubble burst a little bit and we'll do it right.

Is there anything else you can share about it? Is it part of the Ripley story, or will it be original characters in a different time and place?

It's not a Ripley story. She's one of the great characters of all time, and I think the story has been told pretty perfectly, and I don't want to mess with it. It's a story that's set on Earth also. The alien stories are always trapped... Trapped in a prison, trapped in a space ship. I thought it would be interesting to open it up a little bit so that the stakes of "What happens if you can't contain it?" are more immediate.

Deadly things that can't be contained and the whole world at risk? Sounds relevant to the past year.

On some level it's also a story about inequality. You know, one of the things that I love about the first movie is how '70s a movie it is, and how it's really this blue collar space-trucker world in which Yaphet Kotto and Harry Dean Stanton are basically Waiting for Godot. They're like Samuel Beckett characters, ordered to go to a place by a faceless nameless corporation. The second movie is such an '80s movie, but it's still about grunts. Paul Reiser is middle management at best. So, it is the story of the people you send to do the dirty work.

How does that relate to your series?

In mine, you're also going to see the people who are sending them. So you will see what happens when the inequality we're struggling with now isn't resolved. If we as a society can't figure out how to prop each other up and spread the wealth, then what's going to happen to us? There's that great Sigourney Weaver line to Paul Reiser where she says, "I don't know which species is worse. At least they don't f**k each other over for a percentage."

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 13, 2021, 02:13:14 PM
I'm actually agreeing that a grown-up Newt would make an excellent protagonist.

But how ? How do you turn her in anything besides another Ripley clone ? I'm genuinely curious to hear your ideas

Quote from: Kradan on Dec 13, 2021, 04:15:46 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 13, 2021, 02:13:14 PM
I'm actually agreeing that a grown-up Newt would make an excellent protagonist.

But how ? How do you turn her in anything besides another Ripley clone ? I'm genuinely curious to hear your ideas

Well, the best way I think one can answer this question to your satisfaction is begin with seeding another question regarding how would you perceive Shaw and Daniels. Are they Ripley clones to you?

Shaw was somewhat different with whole "What I choose to belive" , wanting to discover what our creators are angle. As much as I love Covenant, I must admit that Daniels was in fact just a Ripley clone. Short hair, tough, leader type, runs around with guns, blows Alien out of the airlock, the end

Spoiler

Also, you forgot everybody's favourite - What's her name from AvPR !

(https://cache.moviestillsdb.com/i/500x/rmw24x7c/avpr-aliens-vs-predator-requiem-lg.jpg)

[close]

Kelly and Molly. I don't remember which is which.

Quote from: Kradan on Dec 13, 2021, 07:18:22 PM
Shaw was somewhat different with whole "What I choose to belive" , wanting to discover what our creators are angle. As much as I love Covenant, I must admit that Daniels was in fact just a Ripley clone. Short hair, tough, leader type, runs around with guns, blows Alien out of the airlock, the end

So it comes down to the writing to you then. Of course if they write Newt as a 38 year old, haunted by nightmares that will only be settled by facing the beast one more time, you'll have your dreaded Ripley clone. But what if she's lived such a more interesting life. Became educated. Explored the sciences. And inspired by her saviors, even spent time in the corps. And we see these life stages in the film. I think a lot of people would be interested to see how her life would progress in a sans-Ripley cinematic installment... maybe drawn to the beast versus obsessed...considering the majority of the general public hold Alien and Aliens (and only Alien and Aliens) in high regard. It would be as interesting as Furiosa films to me, maybe even more. Too bad Anya Taylor-Joy is already taken.  :)

QuoteAlso, you forgot everybody's favourite - What's her name from AvPR !

https://cache.moviestillsdb.com/i/500x/rmw24x7c/avpr-aliens-vs-predator-requiem-lg.jpg

Her name is on her chest! :D

O'Brien (first name Kelly)

Newt's dead. Grownup Newt = stupid. No do-overs.

Anything without Ridley is fine for me at this point.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 13, 2021, 10:57:07 PM

QuoteAlso, you forgot everybody's favourite - What's her name from AvPR !

https://cache.moviestillsdb.com/i/500x/rmw24x7c/avpr-aliens-vs-predator-requiem-lg.jpg

Her name is on her chest! :D

O'Brien (first name Kelly)

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know you're supposed to remember characters' names by looking at their clothes. I thought one supposed to care for a character to do that. Silly me

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Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 14, 2021, 11:03:57 AM
Newt's dead. Grownup Newt = stupid. No do-overs.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F38.media.tumblr.com%2F8ba669ac33696fadc4aed313568abee3%2Ftumblr_nito2x4bCN1qiurzoo1_250.gif&hash=407908a65790b7335c58d9cdae554bfa1e3ab4c2)

Quote from: Kradan on Dec 14, 2021, 12:38:25 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 13, 2021, 10:57:07 PM

QuoteAlso, you forgot everybody's favourite - What's her name from AvPR !

https://cache.moviestillsdb.com/i/500x/rmw24x7c/avpr-aliens-vs-predator-requiem-lg.jpg

Her name is on her chest! :D

O'Brien (first name Kelly)

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know you're supposed to remember characters' names by looking at their clothes. I thought one supposed to care for a character to do that. Silly me

Ouch! I sense hostility, and a disturbance in the force!

Who ? Me ? No, I I'm a fluffy cloud made of positive energy

Spoiler

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Interestingly you appear a tad pink.

I wonder if the Walter Hill thread pertains to this one in some way.

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2020/06/11/walter-hill-sent-sigourney-weaver-a-50-page-alien-5-treatment/

Hopefully the last word on this whole nonsense:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2022/09/04/disney-not-interested-in-returning-to-ripleys-storyline/

Blomkamp's answers in bold:

QuoteAlright, I saw Walter Hill came out recently and said Disney wants to go a different direction with Alien. I enjoyed the production designs you posted on Twitter...

It's hard to define how little I care about what happens with Alien.

Okay. Well, I think you just defined it pretty well, just with that statement.

Yeah. So I guess I don't want to talk about that either. I want to talk about Gran Turismo or we shouldn't talk about...

Sorry, I didn't hear that last part you said.

Let's just focus on Gran Turismo.

https://uproxx.com/movies/neill-blomkamp-gran-turismo/

Cucked lol

Didn't know it went that badly. Someone's bitter.

He didn't seem to mind talking to America's favorite thumb about it.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 22, 2023, 10:31:43 PMBlomkamp's answers in bold:

QuoteAlright, I saw Walter Hill came out recently and said Disney wants to go a different direction with Alien. I enjoyed the production designs you posted on Twitter...

It's hard to define how little I care about what happens with Alien.

Okay. Well, I think you just defined it pretty well, just with that statement.

Yeah. So I guess I don't want to talk about that either. I want to talk about Gran Turismo or we shouldn't talk about...

Sorry, I didn't hear that last part you said.

Let's just focus on Gran Turismo.

https://uproxx.com/movies/neill-blomkamp-gran-turismo/

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Relaxing, life affirming, pore cleansing.

It's because his idea was horrible and he didn't like being told no about things. Fans would have ripped him apart with his vision and what he had in store for us. Said it before and I'll say it again, we dodged a bullet. I can't deny he probably was pushed and pulled around at Fox, but he's kinda been vocal about studios not being is favorite thing anyways. So hard to say he's not tough to work with too.

how long till someone writes a tell all about the development?


It still strikes me as deeply wrong that they developed this thing for 2 years before pulling the plug.
Just not respectful.

If the studio truly didn't like his idea, they should've just cancelled it way sooner.

Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 23, 2023, 01:47:45 AMIt's because his idea was horrible and he didn't like being told no about things. Fans would have ripped him apart with his vision and what he had in store for us.

How well would it have gone down with the general public though? The more "casual" fanbase who only wants Pulse rifles, Colonial Marines, Kenner Aliens, Dropships and think Hicks and Newt should still be alive?

Admittedly I am also curious myself, hope the information gets out sometime in the next few months somehow.

I think general audiences would have jumped on it, but the end results would have been "what is this?" from them too. Established story being reset could be hard for general audiences to understand. But the actual concepts of the film would have been so whacky and weird, way away from Alien, that I think it really would have turned people off.

Established Xenomorph biology and lifecycles were changed. How the Xenos came to exist and everything was tackled, along with Ripley taking them out. Too big of ideas that didn't seem thought through. The way that played out was weird, disrespectful and just bad. It wasn't even fun Kenner vibes, it would have just been a slap in the face.

There is one thing I wish, wish, WISH I could just say to confirm this all. When I found out it got a giant "What the actual f**k? No thank you. Nope." when I was given the plot of the film. Seriously happy we didn't get it. Kind of how we've come to find out more on the AvP anime, the more a lot of us feel like we might have been lucky they weren't released. Concept sounds great on paper, just like Blomkamp directing sounded great. But ultimately we may be glad we didn't get them in the long run.

so it was an "alternate ending" to the series being developed at the same time
as Ridley mounts his big plan to "expand" the series with his own ideas for the xeno's creation.

Absolutely incompatible projects, then. Why was Blomkamp's even allowed to be in preproduction for a while? Why wasn't this cancelled at the pitch stage? 

The alien series is so mismanaged lol absurd choices.

Just come up with something to finish off that part of the storyline, with no need to retcon, etc.

Blomkamp tackling the origins of the xenomorph was always going to rile up Ridley Scott. It's no wonder this got scrapped.

I too hope the full story comes out one day. Even the film's title is said to be a spoiler. I'd heard whispers that the xeno outbreak was because the actual biomass of the captured derelict started contaminating the surrounding atmosphere and that the lead scientist behind the project was an android. Ripley and Hicks had to team up with mercenaries to get inside the secure compound where the derelict was held.

But no idea if any of that is true, could just be someone's guess based on the concept art.

Quote from: ralfy on Aug 25, 2023, 05:20:23 AMJust come up with something to finish off that part of the storyline, with no need to retcon, etc.

My idea has always been - do a movie post Resurrection and post Covenant where Ripley 8 finds her way to a biomechanical planet where David has been living and continuing his work for whatever amount of years is necessary.

In addition to that have the Space Jockey from Alien be a one off entity who is a part of a circle of creators, each one distinctly biomechanical in their own way, each creating life and abnormal beings in their own section of the Universe.

Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 26, 2023, 11:08:37 AMBlomkamp tackling the origins of the xenomorph was always going to rile up Ridley Scott. It's no wonder this got scrapped.

I too hope the full story comes out one day. Even the film's title is said to be a spoiler. I'd heard whispers that the xeno outbreak was because the actual biomass of the captured derelict started contaminating the surrounding atmosphere and that the lead scientist behind the project was an android. Ripley and Hicks had to team up with mercenaries to get inside the secure compound where the derelict was held.

But no idea if any of that is true, could just be someone's guess based on the concept art.

I can confirm that this was not the plot of his film.

personally i thought the whole bit with the Hugh Jackman synthetic jumping on a bigger, better alien powersuit to fight Ripley in her own powersuit was a litle too much.

elysium 2.0

Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Aug 26, 2023, 03:12:38 PM

Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 26, 2023, 11:08:37 AMBlomkamp tackling the origins of the xenomorph was always going to rile up Ridley Scott. It's no wonder this got scrapped.

I too hope the full story comes out one day. Even the film's title is said to be a spoiler. I'd heard whispers that the xeno outbreak was because the actual biomass of the captured derelict started contaminating the surrounding atmosphere and that the lead scientist behind the project was an android. Ripley and Hicks had to team up with mercenaries to get inside the secure compound where the derelict was held.

But no idea if any of that is true, could just be someone's guess based on the concept art.

I can confirm that this was not the plot of his film.

What else can you tell you?????? ::)

I may or may not have a little video going up on Friday for ALIEN DAY, if not, by the end of the weekend. It might have some new bits to chew on. Sitting over 35 minutes at the moment.

Will post here when it's ready, but here's a link if you'd like to subscribe ahead of time.  (https://youtube.com/@MikesMonsters?si=7hh0yf3tzI70auSI)

Excellent! Cant wait to hear the full story about this.

nice.

I devour your videos Mike, I can't wait.  ;D

Glad you all are stoked for it! Been working on it for a few weeks now. It is NOT the entire plot of the film, I can't share that just yet. But I do share some new and juicy information that I think will help form more solid opinions on the project. I think some folks won't even think it's real with how farfetched it is, and that I'll be bullshitting.

Omg yes

Man I am so excited to see some of this starting to get put out there, I want to know what this was going to be. Can't wait for the info dump.

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Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Apr 25, 2024, 05:24:47 PMGlad you all are stoked for it! Been working on it for a few weeks now. It is NOT the entire plot of the film, I can't share that just yet. But I do share some new and juicy information that I think will help form more solid opinions on the project. I think some folks won't even think it's real with how farfetched it is, and that I'll be bullshitting.

Would it give Resurrection a run for its money had it been completed?

I truly think it was a bullet to the head for the franchise. But I am not one to shit on the whole thing either, it probably was going to have some awesome set pieces. But the overall package would have been the issue.

Well, I'm very excited to hear what you have to share on it! 🫡

I am looking forward to watch it! 8)

If all goes well, I'm hoping to have it up in the afternoon/evening Pacific Standard Time on Friday.

We're on daylight savings time now.

Alien day is 3/4 over here.

My computer finally cooperated and the video is currently uploading to YouTube. Should be live and ready to watch in the morning. Wish I had it up on Alien Day, but technology had other plans.

Looking forward to it.

Aye! 8)

4/27 nearly over

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Yesterday at 08:55:06 AMLooking forward to it.

this will be epic 8)🙏

So sorry for the delay! I got hit with a copyright claim and then the new edit kept corrupting on export thanks to my frustratingly awesome technology. BUT, the video is finally ready!!!

To reiterate, this isn't me spilling the whole plot of the movie. I do share some juicy details that haven't been released though. This is mainly a timeline going over what has been reported, with some notes from me. I think the new info is pretty big though, it's what really made me turn on the idea of the project, along with other things I can't share on this date.

Enjoy!

Human DNA?!?! WTAF?!?!

Bingo!

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Talk about keeping true to the originals, right?

Huh.

@Local Trouble

Even Neill Blomkamp wanted to take Elephant Man from you. Noah Hawley's your only hope now. It's fated to be this way.

I guess I can put up with a few dance numbers if I can get my elephant man.

!!! Madness.

i appreciate that the ships would be revealed to be organically "grown/built".. very BIO-mechanical.

But having the Aliens be responsible for building them... that's...
Would it just be the hull, the outer structure itself that the aliens build, kind of like their version of a bee hive? And then the engineers would be revealed to go in, kill the aliens, and reuse the emptied xeno structures to then modify extensively and build their own ships out of? inserting engines and the pilot chamber, cryopods etc.. (that would be a bit less crazy? Because the alien itself building engines AND the pilot machine... lol

Yisus! :o🙏 Beyond how bad it is, the idea is beyond bizarre....It may sound sacrilege but it almost reminds me of Dan O'Bannon's concept of the Alien as an organism that continued to change until it became a sapien being responsible for a civilization that lost the ability to reproduce sexually. But not! This is much more controversial and sick in a not good way ???



The Alien wanted to become the elephant man :o ...and in a way the Kenerisation of the Tyranids!



The idea is crazy enough that one wants to see it in the of a 'what if' comic form lol ;D Kener stuff is a small thing now, and that includes David as the creator of the Alien😅👉👈

Quote from: skhellter on Yesterday at 11:10:40 PMBut having the Aliens be responsible for building them...

I always liked the idea the ship was grown.

Just ... not like that.

having the engineers reuse alien created nests to build their own ships out of? ehhh. sure.. i'll allow that. It's weird and alien. Makes sense with the engineer ships looking GROWN and consistent with the alien exoskeleton aesthetic.

having the aliens themselves create ships AND ENGINES with the goal to GO INTO OUTER SPACE? that's a pass, Neill. That's going from cool into straight crazy town.

do you know which version of the idea were they going for, Mike? Closer to my interpretation of it?

Just terrible idea after terrible idea.  Glad this was cancelled.

Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Yesterday at 09:50:22 PMBingo!

https://media1.giphy.com/media/tCbbdjDDgz68dFfuIK/giphy.gif
Talk about keeping true to the originals, right?

In a roundabout way, it's actually pretty true to O'Bannon's original concept of the Aliens becoming an intelligent, scholarly species as they aged.

The more I think about it, if I'm honest with myself I don't think it's any worse than the idea Aliens were made last weekend by a sexually frustrated Android.

Hell I think I'd rather go with spaceship-goo-making-Aliens than what we got in Covenant if we're dead set on saying "f**k it".

Huh. Honestly, while I don't know how much I like the sound of the specifics of the details regarding the Aliens/Derelict here, exactly, I also have to begrudgingly say, regarding this new info Mike shared here, I don't actually hate this! It flirts with and presents ideas much more interesting than what I was expecting from Blomkamp, and like was mentioned in some of the posts above, it feels very O'Bannon (and even very Ridley, circa 1979). I think, pending the execution, I coulda rolled with this...

Still do not like the Queen Alien exo-suit shenanigans at all, though!

i could roll with the queen alien exo suit if the final aesthetic would look very different from the revealed concept art. That one just looks like the Atax toy.

The Queen suit can go in the bin

I'd almost bet that the Ripley queen suit and the four armed bigchap tie into some nonsense about the queen itself being a mecha suit for Aliens.

Inspired by this, no doubt:

Also, not shocked to hear it wasn't Ridley that binned this. I know Blomkamp had his snarky remark about how maybe Ridley saw Chappie and decided he wanted nothing to do with it anymore, but it always seemed to me that Fox was the one that snuffed this out, which Mike's confirmed now.

I can see this playing nicely overall with the prequels, honestly, pending whatever "Alien: Destiny" was planning to do I guess.

Do away with the Kenner nonsense, scale the idea back to remove Ripley & Hicks, but keep some of the other ideas (the grown Derelicts/Juggernauts, O'Bannon-esque intelligent/evolved Aliens, even the inverted Chestburster/Facehugger process which could be neat) and... I could see this being mined for parts to make something maybe not great but, definitely interesting.

In ways these ideas are absurd but in another perspective intriguing, could've been atrocious, could've been solid it's a question how it's executed. We've had our share of mediocre Alien movies that other fans have found value in and the franchise has kept going. Was half and half about the retcon decision, partly due to it being hard to make a satisfying continuation to Alien3 and Resurrection after how those films are regarded, the continuity was already thrown into split timelines with Williams Gibson's treatment being adapted into a comic and audio drama. Some fans lament this movie didn't happen whereas others are relieved. Theres a guarantee there will be other later Alien Legacy Sequels Reboots in the future, some films will be mediocre others will be competent. Like this Xenomorph itself it's endures.

I'd read it as a novel or comic.

Quote from: SiL on Yesterday at 11:54:12 PMI'd read it as a novel or comic.

Aye, same.

Preferably with real art, if they go the comic route.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Yesterday at 11:51:50 PMInspired by this, no doubt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANQku4CNPJc

'cept that was actually pretty cool in context.

Remember all the times I said that I lament Alien 5? I take them back now.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Yesterday at 11:55:38 PM

Quote from: SiL on Yesterday at 11:54:12 PMI'd read it as a novel or comic.

Aye, same.

Preferably with real art, if they go the comic route.

Sal Larroca then?

Not that it's very key, but I wonder if Jimbo knew all the details.

Also....the Queen suit seems >...


Maybe it would be interesting with Giger body horror stuff and enough biomechanical aesthetics :o it's not like the bar is very high in comparison to The Predator though

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Today at 12:01:45 AMNot that it's very key, but I wonder if Jimbo knew all the details.

Also....the Queen suit seems >...

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:o it's not like the bar is very high though :-X🙏

I was under the impression that James Cameron read the script, didn't he?

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Yesterday at 11:46:15 PMI'd almost bet that the Ripley queen suit and the four armed bigchap tie into some nonsense about the queen itself being a mecha suit for Aliens.

If we're gonna get an Alien in a mech suit, then I guess we just gotta get an Alien in a Space Jockey suit a la Prometheus to pilot a human flesh-grown Derelict/Juggernaut instead!

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Today at 12:01:45 AMNot that it's very key, but I wonder if Jimbo knew all the details.

Seems to have, yeah. We know he talked about/supported the project, which Mike also mentions here in the video.

Haven't watched the video yet but does it mention that Blomkamp wanted complete control over the writing and Fox was like 'yeah, nah'?

Oh, Mike, not asking you to spill the beans if you can't/don't want to share but, do you know what this film was going to be called?

according to Mike, both Ridley and Jimbo were supportive.

and then Fox pulled the plug

In favor of Ridley's direction, correct?

Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Today at 12:13:03 AMIn favor of Ridley's direction, correct?

Yep, for a while the plan was to do Covenant and then this, but Fox got cold feet and didn't want to commit to multiple projects simultaneously, and they put their money on Covenant due to Scott being the "father" of the franchise and already being committed to this particular branch of the franchise via Prometheus.

Then a few months after Covenant's release, Disney was buying out Fox, and the rest was history.

I'm a bit hazy on the dates, but I'm pretty sure Noah Hawley's show was also pitched during, roughly, this same era, and Fox passed on that as well. It was only under Disney-owned 20th Century Studios (via FX/Hulu) that life sprung back into that one.

A queen mechsuit might even make sense if it was designed to allow people to freely mingle among the aliens without being attacked.

Kind of a riff on Avatar and Jeri/Norbert.  It would require some exposition to sell though.  Like this:

QuoteINT. WEYLAND-YUTANI RESEARCH FACILITY - DAY

The room is dimly lit, filled with the soft hum of machinery and computers. DR. EMILIA SONG, a determined scientist in her late 40s, stands next to a large object covered by a tarp. ELLEN RIPLEY, tough and wary, looks on, arms crossed.

DR. SONG
(enthused)
Ellen, what we've developed here isn't just another tool. It's a revolutionary way to engage with the xenomorphs, to study and understand them like never before.

Ripley raises an eyebrow, clearly skeptical.

RIPLEY
Study them? The last thing we need is to get closer to those monsters. We should be wiping them out, not playing dress-up.

DR. SONG
(pulling off the tarp, revealing a towering, intricate MECHSUIT, styled ominously like an alien queen)
This isn't about play, Ellen. This is about survival. This suit mimics the appearance and chemical signature of an alien queen. It's designed to integrate seamlessly, to allow us to walk among them.

RIPLEY
(disgusted)
You think putting someone in a tin can that looks like those things is going to help? They're not stupid, Emilia.

DR. SONG
It's more than just appearances. The suit emits pheromones, mimics their communication sounds. Early tests show that it can even command lesser xenomorphs. Imagine being able to control them, redirect them away from populated areas.

RIPLEY
Or imagine it backfiring. Those creatures are killing machines. You think you can control them, but you're just opening us up to more danger.

DR. SONG
(striving for patience)
I understand your concerns, Ellen. Truly, I do. But we're out of options. Every attempt to eradicate them has failed. This suit represents a new strategy. If we can't destroy them, maybe we can coexist. Learn from them.

RIPLEY
(scornful)
Coexist with xenomorphs? You're not listening to yourself. They're not just animals. They're a perfect organism. Perfect at one thing: killing.

DR. SONG
(resolute)
And we need to be perfect at understanding them. This suit is our next step. Are you willing to see it tested?

Ripley looks at the suit, her expression mixed with fear and disbelief.

RIPLEY
(muttering)
I think it's a mistake. But then, nobody's stopped making those yet, have they?

Ripley turns and walks away, leaving Dr. Song staring after her, a mix of resolve and doubt playing across her face.

FADE OUT.

Also, I was familiar with the Trematode and the pieces of art depicting it crawling into people, but somehow I either missed or completely forgot about it implanting a bunch of mini-Facehuggers into people which would then be birthed out of human hosts.

Haven't seen the video yet but the new info sounds
... fine to me. I just don't think the story warrants the inclusion of Ripley, Newt and Hicks at all.

Stranger than a story made by an AI ;D

Trematode can also go in the bin.

Ok... That was just a lot to take in.

1. I'm just gonna say I really don't like the mutated Xenomorph That much. I don't get why they need like change the design of the xenomorph with body horror Even A. Giger Designswas perfect in the first place and B. It's just less unsettling when it's done with aliens rather than humans.

2. This movie is very Kenner like. Yes, there's parts of Kenner that we enjoy, but we don't want them to be actually in the canon. If you want a grounded movie, get rid of those Xeno Technology made by Weyland Corporation or whatever

3. The Derelict being made by Xenomorph with human DNA to go through space... There is so much wrong with this. Where the hell did they get the human DNA? Did they get it from the engineers since they were like 99% to Humans Or was this actual human DNA? This is gonna be the stupidest decision to be made right next to David being the creator of aliens.

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Today at 12:33:38 AM3. The Derelict being made by Xenomorph with human DNA to go through space... There is so much wrong with this. Where the hell did they get the human DNA? Did they get it from the engineers since they were like 99% to Humans Or was this actual human DNA? This is gonna be the stupidest decision to be made right next to David being the creator of aliens.

Yeah :o I am curious about the implications behind! Space Jockey may be an oddity ala Deacon born from the Engineers...who are ancient humanity anyway ???

Quote from: Some Old Dude on Today at 12:27:52 AMI just don't think the story warrants the inclusion of Ripley, Newt and Hicks at all.

Interestingly, we know the idea originally didn't feature any of them. That only changed after Blomkamp met Sigourney and talked it over with her, on the set of Chappie.

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Today at 12:33:38 AM3. The Derelict being made by Xenomorph with human DNA to go through space... There is so much wrong with this. Where the hell did they get the human DNA? Did they get it from the engineers since they were like 99% to Humans Or was this actual human DNA? This is gonna be the stupidest decision to be made right next to David being the creator of aliens.

If I had to guess...

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...more or less.

I'm a bit confused if the idea is that the ORIGINAL Derelict was made with human DNA, or just biological matter in general. I'm guessing a new one was being made at the WY installation with human DNA over the course of the film, since human DNA is what the Aliens would have access to there in the moment.

Ridley must not have been to keen of the idea. I remember hearing in the past that he persuaded Neil not to touch the Engineers because of Covenant.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Today at 12:40:03 AM

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Today at 12:33:38 AM3. The Derelict being made by Xenomorph with human DNA to go through space... There is so much wrong with this. Where the hell did they get the human DNA? Did they get it from the engineers since they were like 99% to Humans Or was this actual human DNA? This is gonna be the stupidest decision to be made right next to David being the creator of aliens.

Yeah :o I am curious about the implications behind!Space Jockey may be an oddity ala Deacon born from the Engineers...who are ancient humanity anyway ???

Who Idea was this?

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Today at 12:47:42 AM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Today at 12:40:03 AM

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Today at 12:33:38 AM3. The Derelict being made by Xenomorph with human DNA to go through space... There is so much wrong with this. Where the hell did they get the human DNA? Did they get it from the engineers since they were like 99% to Humans Or was this actual human DNA? This is gonna be the stupidest decision to be made right next to David being the creator of aliens.

Yeah :o I am curious about the implications behind!Space Jockey may be an oddity ala Deacon born from the Engineers...who are ancient humanity anyway ???

Who Idea was this?

Neill Blomkamp's take on the Derelict / SJ and the human DNA🧬

I'm not against the idea of xenomorph Making Structures because alien labyrinth proof the idea can work, it's just not like this.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Today at 12:46:13 AMRidley must not have been to keen of the idea. I remember hearing in the past that he persuaded Neil not to touch the Engineers because of Covenant.

Doesn't seem that that was the cause of anything, regarding the movie not happening, though. We know that Ridley asked Blomkamp to change one element about the script/treatment/idea that would have bumped into what he was doing with the prequels (not sure what, maybe Mike does?), which I guess could have been related to these details about the Derelict, but no way to know for sure just yet.

The project still seemed to be moving forward even after Ridley implemented his one mandate, though, and it was Fox that eventually snuffed out the project, so if the grown Derelict was still part of what the film was at the time of its cancelation, then I guess it likely wouldn't have been the element that would have conflicted with what Ridley was doing (which is interesting to think about, given that "Destiny" almost certainly would have had David in the chair, though perhaps the "Destiny" treatment/draft dates after Blomkamp's film was totally dead and buried and thus, the two ideas wouldn't have bumped into one another at the time Blomkamp originally put them on paper?).

The Blomkamp timeline is made very clear in Mike's video, but I'm a bit hazy on how the timeline of "Destiny" overlaps/runs parallel to it.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Today at 12:50:12 AM

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Today at 12:47:42 AM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Today at 12:40:03 AM

Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Today at 12:33:38 AM3. The Derelict being made by Xenomorph with human DNA to go through space... There is so much wrong with this. Where the hell did they get the human DNA? Did they get it from the engineers since they were like 99% to Humans Or was this actual human DNA? This is gonna be the stupidest decision to be made right next to David being the creator of aliens.

Yeah :o I am curious about the implications behind!Space Jockey may be an oddity ala Deacon born from the Engineers...who are ancient humanity anyway ???

Who Idea was this?

Neill Blomkamp's take on the Derelict / SJ and the human DNA

It just makes no sense, Who was the Space jockey? Why did it get face hugged if it was made by xenomoprh?

ADI's 4-Limbed Big Chap photographed by Mike was cool 8)

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Today at 01:00:32 AMADI's 4-Limbed Big Chap photographed by Mike was cool 8)

What's up with that, though? Is it like one of the Experiments or something else?

I love the idea of these "bomber" ships, the derelict and juggernaut, being grown, but the human DNA aspect is troubling. I don't necessarily love the idea of the Aliens being able to reach a state of sentience to the point where they can build space-fairing ships. It gives them perhaps a bit too much agency where it isn't needed. I've always felt the Aliens manage to reach the darkest places in the galaxy because of other humanoid creatures thinking they know best and then being bested by the beast. (That's a fun sentence).

I'm struggling to understand, then, who or what the hell would be in the Derelict's chair. And why it would've been chest bursted?

Quote from: GrimmVision on Today at 01:15:39 AMI love the idea of these "bomber" ships, the derelict and juggernaut, being grown, but the human DNA aspect is troubling. I don't necessarily love the idea of the Aliens being able to reach a state of sentience to the point where they can build space-fairing ships. It gives them perhaps a bit too much agency where it isn't needed. I've always felt the Aliens manage to reach the darkest places in the galaxy because of other humanoid creatures thinking they know best and then being bested by the beast. (That's a fun sentence).

I'm struggling to understand, then, who or what the hell would be in the Derelict's chair. And why it would've been chest bursted?

Exactly, Has he rewatched the film? Did he watch the film at all?

i can totally buy - given some comments elsewhere that hate the idea of the Derelict being partially organic, and their love for the AVP designs -
that this fanbase doesn't actually care that much for the biomechanical aesthetic or even the very idea of it.

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Today at 01:00:32 AMADI's 4-Limbed Big Chap photographed by Mike was cool 8)

What's up with that, though? Is it like one of the Experiments or something else?

The in between Big Chap - Queen? There seem to be quite a few mutants/hybrids anyway, with the company studying the Derelict👀


Looks more stylized than the Sideshow statue anyway :P

Dug up O'Bannon's comments (as relayed by Ron Cobb here) regarding his idea about the Alien's eventual evolution into "a mild, intelligent creature, capable of art and architecture, which lives a full, scholarly life" that sprung to mind after hearing what Blomkamp was doing with the Aliens and Derelict here.

Quote"In Dan's original conception [sic] the alien race had three entirely different stages in its life-cycle. First, the egg, which is tended by third-stage adults and housed in a lower chamber of the breeding temple. When ready to hatch, the egg is placed in the middle of a sacrificial stone and a lower animal, the equivalent of an Alien cow, is then led to the stone. Sensing the warmth, the face-hugger springs out, attaches itself to the animal and deposits a fetus in the stomach. The face-hugger soon drops off and the fetus develops inside, eventually chewing its way out and killing its host. This creature, the chest-burster, is the Alien's second stage, and it simply runs about eating, mindlessly carnivorous. At this stage the creature is still controlled and nurtured by adult Aliens, until the chest-burster begins losing appendages and becomes more and more harmless. Finally, its bloodlust gone, the Alien becomes a mild, intelligent creature, capable of art and architecture, which lives a full, scholarly life of 200 years."

"At some point a cataclysm causes the extermination of the adults of this unique race leaving no one to tend and nurture the young. But in a dark lower chamber of the breeding temple a large number of eggs lie dormant, waiting to sense something warm."

"Years later, the Space Jockey's race comes to this planetoid. The Jockeys are on a mission of exploration and archeology and they are fascinated by this marvelous temple and unknown culture. One of them finds the egg chamber and gets face-hugged. He's rescued, but no one knows what's happened. They take him back to their ship and continue their exploration of the planet's surface. When the chest-burster erupts from the Jockey it goes on a killing rampage until it is shot and killed. The Alien dies, but immediately decomposes and its acid eats through the hull of the Jockey's ship, leaving them stranded on the planet. The Jockeys radio a message that there is a dangerous parasite on the planet, that nothing can be done to save them in time and that no one should attempt a rescue. Then the Jockeys slowly starve to death. Eventually, the Nostromo picks up the signal and, not knowing it's a warning, lands and starts the whole thing again."

https://mossfilm.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/alien-origins-xenomorph-mythos-revealed/

i like the idea of the alien's having culture and even being able to make art

but i'd prefer it to be really really primitive -
Like that bit in Gibson's Alien 3 where Hicks comes across an alien barricade made out of human corpses and hive gunk displayed in a weirdly artful fashion.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Today at 01:30:49 AMDug up O'Bannon's comments (as relayed by Ron Cobb here) regarding his idea about the Alien's eventual evolution into "a mild, intelligent creature, capable of art and architecture, which lives a full, scholarly life" that sprung to mind after hearing what Blomkamp was doing with the Aliens and Derelict here.

Quote"In Dan's original conception [sic] the alien race had three entirely different stages in its life-cycle. First, the egg, which is tended by third-stage adults and housed in a lower chamber of the breeding temple. When ready to hatch, the egg is placed in the middle of a sacrificial stone and a lower animal, the equivalent of an Alien cow, is then led to the stone. Sensing the warmth, the face-hugger springs out, attaches itself to the animal and deposits a fetus in the stomach. The face-hugger soon drops off and the fetus develops inside, eventually chewing its way out and killing its host. This creature, the chest-burster, is the Alien's second stage, and it simply runs about eating, mindlessly carnivorous. At this stage the creature is still controlled and nurtured by adult Aliens, until the chest-burster begins losing appendages and becomes more and more harmless. Finally, its bloodlust gone, the Alien becomes a mild, intelligent creature, capable of art and architecture, which lives a full, scholarly life of 200 years."

"At some point a cataclysm causes the extermination of the adults of this unique race leaving no one to tend and nurture the young. But in a dark lower chamber of the breeding temple a large number of eggs lie dormant, waiting to sense something warm."

"Years later, the Space Jockey's race comes to this planetoid. The Jockeys are on a mission of exploration and archeology and they are fascinated by this marvelous temple and unknown culture. One of them finds the egg chamber and gets face-hugged. He's rescued, but no one knows what's happened. They take him back to their ship and continue their exploration of the planet's surface. When the chest-burster erupts from the Jockey it goes on a killing rampage until it is shot and killed. The Alien dies, but immediately decomposes and its acid eats through the hull of the Jockey's ship, leaving them stranded on the planet. The Jockeys radio a message that there is a dangerous parasite on the planet, that nothing can be done to save them in time and that no one should attempt a rescue. Then the Jockeys slowly starve to death. Eventually, the Nostromo picks up the signal and, not knowing it's a warning, lands and starts the whole thing again."

https://mossfilm.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/alien-origins-xenomorph-mythos-revealed/

The deadly Alien being the larva of the butterfly, to culminate in a cruel but sentient Alien culture is quite Lovecraftian! :o and the Space Jockeys as those who comes before humans when it comes to encounters with the Alien species



Ok, maybe Neill wasn't the man to execute such madness, but without falling too far into Fire & Stone territory, it's still an interesting What If scenario. Even so, I would like to see Blomkamp's story in graphic novel form...it doesn't hurt anything or anyone! :-X

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Quote from: SiL on Yesterday at 11:54:12 PMI'd read it as a novel or comic.

Aye, same.

Preferably with real art, if they go the comic route.

Sal Larroca then?

I think Sal is the quality the idea deserves.

I think directors and writers should stop making shitty scripts with the idea of revolutionizing the franchise and explaining things and instead work with what they already had.

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Ha, I actually bought a copy of that card a couple months back. Was at a card show and they had some loose singles from the original Alien set (which I only have a handful of cards from, despite having a complete Alien: Legacy base set and a near complete Alien 3 set). I've always been super impressed/captivated by the imagery on display on that card, every time I've seen it online, so I had to snatch it the second I saw one in person.

Quote from: skhellter on Today at 01:34:29 AMi like the idea of the alien's having culture and even being able to make art

but i'd prefer it to be really really primitive -
Like that bit in Gibson's Alien 3 where Hicks comes across an alien barricade made out of human corpses and hive gunk displayed in a weirdly artful fashion.

Yeah, I like that idea can easily fit with alien labyrinth hive scene

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I think I speak for most rational fans when I say THANK GOD this garbage idea never got off the ground.

Thank god this movie was never made.

Talk about dodging a bullet. Not a fan of what happened in Covenant, but you can chalk that to David creating a subspecies of the Xeno from Engineer blueprints, but what Neil wanted to...oh man. Nope.

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Quote from: SiL on Yesterday at 11:54:12 PMI'd read it as a novel or comic.

Aye, same.

Preferably with real art, if they go the comic route.

Sal Larroca then?

I think Sal is the quality the idea deserves.

:o there's room for Woman in the Dark in such a demented fan fiction-like narrative!

I never want to sympathize with the Alien. If we ever get to that point in the films, the horror these creatures stir within my mind would be rendered null. Resurrection almost went there with the Newborn but pulled back just as fast.

I absolutely appreciate the callback to original ideas by O'Bannon but I do think that Ridley relocating the ideas of a society with art and architecture to the Engineers was the better move. While it expands on old ideas being brought back and showcased within new films, it also keeps the scary, unknowable horror of the Alien.

I would, however, love to see Blomkamp's script realized through an audio drama, comic, or novelization!

Quote from: GrimmVision on Today at 02:31:57 AMI never want to sympathize with the Alien. If we ever get to that point in the films, the horror these creatures stir within my mind would be rendered null. Resurrection almost went there with the Newborn.

I absolutely appreciate the callback to original ideas by O'Bannon but I do think that Ridley relocating the ideas of a society with art and architecture to the Engineers was the better move. While it expands on old ideas being brought back and showcased within new films, it also keeps the scary, unknowable horror of the Alien.

I would, however, love to see Blomkamp's script realized through an audio drama, comic, or novelization!

I do think Resurrection gets away with what it did with the Newborn, by nature of the creature being so significantly human via the extraordinary circumstances of how it came to be. But that's an exception, not a rule.

I'm of two minds about this whole thing we're learning here about Blomkamp's ideas regarding the intelligence/degree of sentience from the Alien. On one hand, this is way more interesting a concept than I ever expected to see from Blomkamp's project. On the other, the execution of such an idea can be incredibly tacky in execution (and likely would have been, if the Kenner mech suits and some of the hybrids are anything to go by). Who knows how it would have played on screen, or what it would have done for/to the creature retroactively and moving forward.

I genuinely do want to see this done as a comic or book or something now, though. This new detail is the first little tidbit about the whole project that's really set a bit of a lightbulb off in my head, even if it is mostly in a "What If?" sort of way.

Apparently it was like District 9 just not as cool, intriguing concept for sure. Blomkamp has interesting ideas (Oat Studio!). It's a shame that I hit rock bottom with Grand Turismo!

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Today at 02:48:52 AMApparently it was like District 9 just not as cool, intriguing concept for sure

Intriguing but concerning. So would Corporal hicks turned into Xenomorph?

As for the Woman in the Dark, as dumb as it is, I would prefer this more than human DNA Derelict.

But I would change it to be more as like Sil From species

Some of Carlos Huante's concept art seems to depict human/Alien hybrids, suggesting the idea that Weyland-Yutani was experimenting on humans along with their experimentation of Aliens. I'm guessing the Disctict 9 comparisons likely stem from that angle.

I'm a little baffled that studio execs and Sigourney were so excited about this idea.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Today at 03:02:24 AMSome of Carlos Huante's concept art seems to depict human/Alien hybrids, suggesting the idea that Weyland-Yutani was experimenting on humans along with their experimentation of Aliens. I'm guessing the Disctict 9 comparisons likely stem from that angle.

Concept artist Farzad (I forget his full name, worked on the AvPs and Prey) has concept art of many limbed Alien/animal hybrids. Posted on Instagram and quickly taken down

one of them (the hardest to find) had barcodes and numbers on the head of the alien.

Wild! :o Gotta get therapy😱

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Actually some concept art weren't all that bad but I think this fit more in with a full grown Newborn Alien (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiJV62smOkVX6ZWZNZ75Ur3SPVLzSgoR0r5INAH6VbrXv68wkJNABrWY3Z3V_EKNugj8lIxjR69w3x75UYmjr78aAk9S1PKExA6iNDs8hEc7aSA6XlbQBeDusCEy7NIoi7kva8JwihmpqBS/s1600/Red+Harvest+Drone+1+27540901_1620514648032526_7318487463642163915_n.jpg)

God, Carlos' work is so good!

bruhhh, what an absolute treat! thank you!

Not a fan of the concepts and art though.

The response so far has been awesome, thank you all for watching! Most of you are reacting very similarly to when I got the info. I'm probably tempting fate by even sharing the info. If I randomly stop posting or the video disappears, it was Disney who pulled the trigger!!! :laugh:

Clearing some things up from some of the questions I've seen:

The impression I got was that that DNA was found in the derelict ship we see in ALIEN. Not in building a new one. It hints at somehow humans and Xenos being connected in the past. How? I don't have that information. It doesn't make sense to me at all. I too dig the idea of the ship being grown. But just not like this.

The information was given to me very broken up, and very incomplete. There's a lot more I know, but a whole lot more that's unknown to me too. So I can't really answer a lot of the "how?". I've been asking that since the day I was educated on all this stuff. So things like the film title, I don't know. The title of Ridley's next film kept being referred to as Destiny, but I don't know if it was planned as a placeholder or not. I'd heard "Awakening" for Blomkamp's, but I did not have enough confirmation to put that one in the video. Did Ridley call it something like that once?

I do believe the jockeys would be involved in some way, we see the Xeno mech suit having Jockey-like features, along with some of that Xeno concept art showing one in a chair.

Blomkamp wanted a lot of control. He cited creative differences, which I think was him butting heads with Fox when they gave him some "no"s on this stuff. He likely paid for all of this stuff going on behind the scenes out of his own pocket, which could add to his frustration on it not seeing the light of day. Ultimately, it wasn't Ridley saying no and calling the shots, it was Fox.

I wish I had remembered O'Bannon's comments about the xenomorph, that does almost line up with some of the Blomkamp stuff. Very interesting point!

I'll try to keep up with questions, but again, I don't have all the answers to give. But will try if I can! Also will respond when I have time. After fighting with this video so much to get it uploaded, I needed to step away and take some space from. I was quite frustrated with the delays, but glad it's out there for you all to finally see.

i dont mind the xeno havinv intelligence i just don't like derelict having human dna.

"But just not like this."

amen to that Mike

Human DNA again ? Apparently that was kind of a trend in Hollywood at that time lol.

The idea of a ship being grown reminds me of Eric Red's Alien 3 script, lol.

Fantastic video, thank you for taking the time and effort to put it together and get it out there!

I think I file this movie concept alongside the AvP anime; fascinating to hear more about and read into, but certainly relieved it never came to pass.

I'm curious if this is what Sigourney meant by "Ridley's gone in a different direction." (That silly Ridley attributing the ship to the race that was piloting it, as opposed to being barfed up by bugs.)

Though she said that when asked about the Walter Hill treatment, so maybe not.

Bad Neil after Demonic, Elizjum  :o Old Elen Ripley ...   Good concept art, Space Jockey Derelict  ...
Give new characters Machiko, cap Glass, Amanda, Zula, Alec ...  W-Y Commando, Marines, Yautja / Ptrdators, Space Jockeys, Predalien, Red Aliens, King .. 

Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Today at 08:51:59 AMThe response so far has been awesome, thank you all for watching! Most of you are reacting very similarly to when I got the info. I'm probably tempting fate by even sharing the info. If I randomly stop posting or the video disappears, it was Disney who pulled the trigger!!! :laugh:

Clearing some things up from some of the questions I've seen:

The impression I got was that that DNA was found in the derelict ship we see in ALIEN. Not in building a new one. It hints at somehow humans and Xenos being connected in the past. How? I don't have that information. It doesn't make sense to me at all. I too dig the idea of the ship being grown. But just not like this.

The information was given to me very broken up, and very incomplete. There's a lot more I know, but a whole lot more that's unknown to me too. So I can't really answer a lot of the "how?". I've been asking that since the day I was educated on all this stuff. So things like the film title, I don't know. The title of Ridley's next film kept being referred to as Destiny, but I don't know if it was planned as a placeholder or not. I'd heard "Awakening" for Blomkamp's, but I did not have enough confirmation to put that one in the video. Did Ridley call it something like that once?

I do believe the jockeys would be involved in some way, we see the Xeno mech suit having Jockey-like features, along with some of that Xeno concept art showing one in a chair.

Blomkamp wanted a lot of control. He cited creative differences, which I think was him butting heads with Fox when they gave him some "no"s on this stuff. He likely paid for all of this stuff going on behind the scenes out of his own pocket, which could add to his frustration on it not seeing the light of day. Ultimately, it wasn't Ridley saying no and calling the shots, it was Fox.

I wish I had remembered O'Bannon's comments about the xenomorph, that does almost line up with some of the Blomkamp stuff. Very interesting point!

I'll try to keep up with questions, but again, I don't have all the answers to give. But will try if I can! Also will respond when I have time. After fighting with this video so much to get it uploaded, I needed to step away and take some space from. I was quite frustrated with the delays, but glad it's out there for you all to finally see.

Great short documentary that neatly collates all the news and discussions posted on here over all the years. You should consider doing a feature length documentary film (ala Jodorowsky's Dune) one day if you can force Neill Blomkamp to sit down and talk about it.

What was the copyright notice you got slammed for in the initial upload? Background music? Doubt Disney would take this down. Or you for that matter.

QuoteI'd heard "Awakening" for Blomkamp's, but I did not have enough confirmation to put that one in the video. Did Ridley call it something like that once?

Wasn't "Awakening" supposed to be the last film in Ridley's prequel trilogy?

I think Blomkamp's project went under the codename "Red Harvest".

The first time we heard the name "Awakening" it was attributed to Ridley's third prequel, but later on another interview (I forget with who) cited it as being a name for Blomkamp's film, not Ridley's (and now we know that Ridley's was using the name "Destiny"). But "Awakening" doesn't really gel with the interview Mike sourced for his video in which Blomkamp makes mention that the title, which is being kept hidden for now, is pretty spoilery as to what is going on in the film. "Awakening" seems a little to vague/generic to hold that kind of weight...

Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Today at 08:51:59 AMThe impression I got was that that DNA was found in the derelict ship we see in ALIEN. Not in building a new one. It hints at somehow humans and Xenos being connected in the past. How? I don't have that information. It doesn't make sense to me at all.

This actually does make a bit of sense to me, pre-Covenant, before we saw David make the Alien and when all we knew about ancient history from Prometheus was that human and Engineer DNA matched, and that the Engineers likely had an ancient past with the Aliens (evidenced by the Pathogen). Maybe it was the ideas in circulation at that time that Blomkamp was riffing on?

Mike, do you happen to know if/how "Destiny's" pre-production overlapped with the tail end of Blomkamp's film's, if at all?

And another question, do you happen to know anything about the "Alien: Paradise Lost" iteration of the Prometheus sequel, from before it became Alien: Covenant?

I think this may have been concept art for the "space elevator's" base station that was supposed to have been a major feature in Blomkamp's film rather than the W-Y HQ.

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Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Today at 08:51:59 AMThe impression I got was that that DNA was found in the derelict ship we see in ALIEN. Not in building a new one. It hints at somehow humans and Xenos being connected in the past. How? I don't have that information.

Prometheus was out at the time. It's most definitely Engineer DNA which (according to that infamous bit in Prometheus) is a 100% MATCH with HUMAN DNA  :laugh:

considering that there's a lot of hearsay about this detail of the movie, i bet a lot's been misunderstood, lost in the telling.

What makes some sense to me is if the Aliens build (very durable) biomechanical material nests out of their victims - and it would make sense for the Engineers to see this as prized material, they would then go in, exterminate the aliens, retrieve the nests, insert their own tech in there and build proper SHIPS with it. It would maybe go some way to explain why there's a Deacon mural in LV223 - They worship these creatures and others of its ilk. It would explain why the derelict ships look "grown" rather than built, it would explain why the cave under the Derelict in the original movie looks like a technological/aesthetic extension of the Derelict ship itself (the aliens would've built that after the Engineers lose control of the situation).

I do not like the idea of removing the other from Alien. Nor monsters being genetically manipulated to make more toyettic versions. Nor the return of legacy characters.

No, not for me.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Today at 11:13:50 AMThe first time we heard the name "Awakening" it was attributed to Ridley's third prequel, but later on another interview (I forget with who) cited it as being a name for Blomkamp's film, not Ridley's (and now we know that Ridley's was using the name "Destiny"). But "Awakening" doesn't really gel with the interview Mike sourced for his video in which Blomkamp makes mention that the title, which is being kept hidden for now, is pretty spoilery as to what is going on in the film. "Awakening" seems a little to vague/generic to hold that kind of weight...

Unless the film was going to be called Alien: Red Harvest. Harvesting of human DNA...

Always figured the "Red Harvest" was just a riff on Lucas' "Blue Harvest" ("horror beyond imagination") and used as a codename for the project. Perhaps it was the real name then?

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I don't think Elysium and Chappie had any codenames. They were just Chappie and Elysium from the start, weren't they?

Blomkamp being a gamer was likely heavily inspired by the Mass Effect trilogy which was still quite big at the time he wrote the treatment for this film.

Reapers harvest organic lifeforms...

Just speculating here, I wonder if maybe the "human DNA" in the Derelict might be the result of Blomkamp having to change something for Ridley, in light of the prequels? Perhaps in Blomkamp's original iteration it was distinct Space Jockey DNA that formed the backbone (heh) of the ship and Ridley mandated that it be identical to human DNA, so has to preserve what he had set up in Prometheus with the Engineers?

What a terrible idea. Jockey's growing the ship is one thing but having the Aliens grow an intersellar starship from human material is just soooo stupid. I won't even start on the queen mech suit or the many hybrids or the bursting of mini huggers....  Now the fansplaining starts, trying and rationalise the ideas and make them sound better.

I'll forever be thankful that this was scrapped. I'll even take David the creator over this.

Even Romulus is going to play with mutations and different creatures. I've been thinking that if you can't make an interesting movie focusing on the titular Alien then this series should have just ended with A3.

Quote from: 426Buddy on Today at 01:34:38 PMWhat a terrible idea. Jockey's growing the ship is one thing but having the Aliens grow an intersellar starship from human material is just soooo stupid. I won't even start on the queen mech suit or the many hybrids or the bursting of mini huggers....  Now the fansplaining starts, trying and rationalise the ideas and make them sound better.

I'll forever be thankful that this was scrapped. I'll even take David the creator over this.

Even Romulus is going to play with mutations and different creatures. I've been thinking that if you can't make an interesting movie focusing on the titular Alien then this series should have just ended with A3.

Totally agree. No amount of fansplaining will salvage this dumpster fire. Glad at the end of the day Alien³ survived this.

Quote from: Nukiemorph on Today at 03:08:33 AMI'm a little baffled that studio execs and Sigourney were so excited about this idea.

The executives were probably excited by "Ripley/Hicks/ALIENS" cash in nostalgia, and Weaver was probably excited about another go at playing Ripley; VS specific ideas that, as we see them now on paper, look terrible.

For what it's worth, it was the executives that killed this movie off, though seemingly it had nothing to do with the quality or content of the idea and more to do with the quantity and them not wanting to commit to two projects.

Of the two, I'm glad we got Covenant.