Apparently is being called Prometheus now, and is no longer even an Alien movie. Sorry I can't post a link, I'm on my iPhone now. But slashfilm.com has the story.
From Superherohype.com
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73281 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73281)
RIDLEY SCOTT'S "PROMETHEUS" COMING MARCH 9, 2012
Twentieth Century Fox announced today that Ridley Scott will direct Prometheus, an original science fiction epic, for worldwide release on March 9, 2012. The initial draft of the script was written by Jon Spaihts (The Darkest Hour) from Scott's idea. Damon Lindelof ("Lost," Star Trek) and Scott have since been working together on the current version which has expanded the story into new directions.
Story details are being closely guarded so as not to spoil surprises for moviegoers, but Scott explained the outlines of the film and its genesis as follows: "While 'Alien' was indeed the jumping off point for this project, out of the creative process evolved a new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place. The keen fan will recognize strands of 'Alien's' DNA, so to speak, but the ideas tackled in this film are unique, large and provocative. I couldn't be more pleased to have found the singular tale I'd been searching for, and finally return to this genre that's so close to my heart."
"In a world flooded with prequels, sequels and reboots," said Lindelof. "I was incredibly struck by just how original Ridley's vision was for this movie. It's daring, visceral and hopefully, the last thing anyone expects. When I sat in a movie theater as a kid, feet raised off the floor for fear that something might grab my ankles, I never dreamed in my wildest imagination I would one day get to collaborate with the man responsible for it. Working alongside him has been nothing short of a dream come true."
Of the five major roles to be cast, Noomi Rapace is the first actor signed to star in the film. The young Swedish actress landed the role of scientist Elizabeth Shaw after Scott saw her portrayal of fictional Lisbeth Salander in the film The Girl With a Dragon Tattoo, for which she was lauded by Time magazine as a 2010 Performance of the Year. Rapace starred in all three entries of the breakout global franchise based on Stieg Larsson's Millennium trilogy of books (The Girl Who Played with Fire and The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest are the other two entries), which have collectively grossed more than $212 million worldwide.
http://www.slashfilm.com/ridley-scotts-alien-prequel-longer-alien-prequel-prometheus-starring-noomi-rapace/#more-95911 (http://www.slashfilm.com/ridley-scotts-alien-prequel-longer-alien-prequel-prometheus-starring-noomi-rapace/#more-95911)
Coming out on my birthday, huh...
I'm actually really sad about this. I wanted an Alien movie.
http://www.deadline.com/2011/01/ridley-scott-directing-prometheus-for-fox-noomi-rapace-locked-while-angelina-jolie-and-charlize-theron-circling-2nd-female-lead/ (http://www.deadline.com/2011/01/ridley-scott-directing-prometheus-for-fox-noomi-rapace-locked-while-angelina-jolie-and-charlize-theron-circling-2nd-female-lead/)
What the hell, this sucks and blows.
wow that blows. Not surprised about this. I'd rather see the scriptment James Cameron had for Alien 5 over this.
Well I didn't see this coming. I'm glad they made something original if Scott's ideas took it away from what we know of Alien. Gutted we wont get a new Alien film though.
First reaction:Ouch. :-X
I'm so f**king disappointed. :(
People, this is an alien film, period. Now, it might be a different incarnation of the creature itself, but 'alien dna' means an earlier incarnation of the creature.
Completely unexpected, and horrible news. I was really looking forward to this.... I'm happy that Ridley is making an original movie, but I wanted the Alien Prequel... :-\
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 14, 2011, 11:55:24 PM
People, this is an alien film, period. Now, it might be a different incarnation of the creature itself, but 'alien dna' means an earlier incarnation of the creature.
They're talking about filmmaking, you silly goose. Filmmaking. The Alien is dead.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 14, 2011, 11:55:24 PM
People, this is an alien film, period. Now, it might be a different incarnation of the creature itself, but 'alien dna' means an earlier incarnation of the creature.
I doubt it. He'll be referring to the tone and look I would imagine.
First reaction? I'm taking this with a pinch of salt.
So far everything we've heard about the prequel has been 99% bull, no reason to suspect this is otherwise.
But if it's true? Then why not. We'd be foolish to think that Fox would let the franchise die, this just means we would have to wait a bit longer. In the meantime, we get a Scott directed Sci-Fi epic.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 14, 2011, 11:55:24 PM
People, this is an alien film, period. Now, it might be a different incarnation of the creature itself, but 'alien dna' means an earlier incarnation of the creature.
He didn't mean it literally, he meant the alien film influenced this one.
EDIT: Oh come on NA why did you give Sticks an opening to ninja me?
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 14, 2011, 11:57:41 PM
First reaction? I'm taking this with a pinch of salt.
So far everything we've heard about the prequel has been 99% bull, no reason to suspect this is otherwise.
Seeing as they have a direct quote from Ridley, I'd say it's confirmed.
No, it's true, Vul. One of the Fox Community guys has it up on his Twitter too.
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/20thFoxCC
I've emailed for comments on what this means for the future of the franchise.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 14, 2011, 11:55:24 PM
People, this is an alien film, period. Now, it might be a different incarnation of the creature itself, but 'alien dna' means an earlier incarnation of the creature.
QuoteOn January 14, 2010, 20th Century Fox announced the prequel will carry the title "Prometheus" and will be released March 9, 2012.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 14, 2011, 11:59:13 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 14, 2011, 11:57:41 PM
First reaction? I'm taking this with a pinch of salt.
So far everything we've heard about the prequel has been 99% bull, no reason to suspect this is otherwise.
Seeing as they have a direct quote from Ridley, I'd say it's confirmed.
"I hate apple pie"-Ridley Scott
c wut I did thar?
But anyways, it is, unfortunately, true...
I'm sad too. I was interested as to just what would be told in a prequel. Something about the Jockeys would have been interesting.
There are a few upsides however. For example, the orgin of the Alien will remain a mystery, if only for a little while longer.
Maybe someone will come along with a post 3 but pre Res story that will be worthwhile in a few years.
:-( Really really bummed about this. With the new film would have come more novels, which I'm really craving. :-(
Predator has redeemed itself after AvP, but Alien doesn't?
I'm out.
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Ahh I'm gutted. This is horrible news. C'mon Cameron, I'm looking to you for a new Alien film now!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 15, 2011, 12:00:06 AM
No, it's true, Vul. One of the Fox Community guys has it up on his Twitter too.
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/20thFoxCC
I've emailed for comments on what this means for the future of the franchise.
Well, that's just f***ed my Friday night right up.
Now, where did I leave the JD?.....
Darn. This sucks.
Well, slight disappointment, that's what I'm feeling. Would've been good to get a new Alien film, and one that had a rather large chance of not sucking, to boot.
But, I'm glad to be getting a new sci-fi film from Riddles. Between this, Brave New World, and my personal sci-fi wet dream-film The Forever War, it seems that great things will be coming from Ridley in the next few years.
High expectations for this and The Forever War. Ridley's going to have to go all Blade Runner on us again before I get over being bitter.
well shit.
so its a different universe or a story apart from the alien?
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 15, 2011, 12:28:39 AM
well shit.
so its a different universe or a story apart from the alien?
Same universe, less Alien.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 15, 2011, 12:23:42 AM
Well, slight disappointment, that's what I'm feeling. Would've been good to get a new Alien film, and one that had a rather large chance of not sucking, to boot.
But, I'm glad to be getting a new sci-fi film from Riddles. Between this, Brave New World, and my personal sci-fi wet dream-film The Forever War, it seems that great things will be coming from Ridley in the next few years.
You've pretty much nailed how I feel right now. If he feels he can't improve on the original, it's better to move sideways and start again.
I wouldn't mind if the film didn't have the xenomorph in it, but it still took place in the same universe. That would be cool. Maybe Space Jockey action and a hint of what's to come... But a whole different movie? At what point were they like, "okay, everywhere there was a chest burster scene, we're gunna replace that with a shot of Charlize Theron being awesome."
suuuuuucks.
Quote from: RazorSlash on Jan 15, 2011, 12:15:57 AM
Predator has redeemed itself after AvP, but Alien doesn't?
I'm out.
http://www.pixagen.com/storage/b3s/stewie-gun.gif
Well now they have an equal amount of good installments. That's something.
I wonder what kind of visuals we will get. If Giger still is on board, we could see an entire world from him. Maybe even some old concept art from Alien could be used for inspiration, like those wierd pyramid like things.
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 15, 2011, 12:31:02 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 15, 2011, 12:28:39 AM
well shit.
so its a different universe or a story apart from the alien?
Same universe, less Alien.
so now we will be AvP&P Galaxy.
man this is heavy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7V5jpq2bng# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7V5jpq2bng#)
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jan 15, 2011, 12:32:10 AM
Quote from: RazorSlash on Jan 15, 2011, 12:15:57 AM
Predator has redeemed itself after AvP, but Alien doesn't?
I'm out.
http://www.pixagen.com/storage/b3s/stewie-gun.gif
Well now they have an equal amount of good installments. That's something.
I wonder what kind of visuals we will get. If Giger still is on board, we could see an entire world from him. Maybe even some old concept art from Alien could be used for inspiration, like those wierd pyramid like things.
If the stories about Giger being on board are true, this isn't a total loss guys.
Don't really care about this new project.It doesn't seem to belong in the alien universe and i'm an Alien fan.That means no Giger,no new alien design,not a f**king thing.I felt robbed.
^ Totally robbed. This totally blows. If by chance we DO get another Alien film, we have to go through months of anticipation all over again.
Ridley Scott and Giger teaming up for another Alien film now seems like something I dreamt up.
:(
f**k this shit.
Damon Lindeloff... i'm blaming all of this on him... first he shits all over Lost and now Alien?
:'(
Prometheus better be f**king good if it's going to make up for this. >:(
So glad it is an original story!
But I hope to God it is set in the same universe as Alien.
Quote from: Shasvre on Jan 15, 2011, 12:44:48 AM
Prometheus better be f**king good if it's going to make up for this. >:(
It doesn't matter for me.And it shouldn't.Because now it's like the Alien Prequel wasn't even announced,but it was.And we waited for 2 f**king years(pretty much).The project we waited and wanted to see it's gone.The rest doesn't matter.
Man this is sad news... :(
I mean we all (well most) wanted another Alien film but we did not want to see it in the wrong hands. Then we hear that Ridley was gunna make a prequel for Alien and it was a 1up for us Alien fans, cos we all can trust another Alien film in Ridley's hands, no matter how differnt or bizarre the Alien prequel would of been, because it was gunna be made by the mad who made the first Alien movie.
Now i wish Ridley Scott good luck with his new film and it is good to see him back in the sci-fi gen. But were is Alien gunna go from now? I mean they re-booted Predator so it is only a matter of time before we hear more gossip of yet another Alien film, but sadly without Scott. We are gunna end up with a PG13 Alien reboot or remake or Alien 5 by some new director who is yet another puppet being used by Fox. (well that is what im thinking :( )
I hope this news is just a red herring but it aint looking that way.
Well....it looks like the alien really is dead. He's not gonna be revived.
Instead he's just gonna be left to slowly die and be swallowed up by the drooling mouths of AVP franchising, non-canon material and obsessive fanboys.....
Bah!
the script details we were given stinked.
did you people Really wanted a prequel to alien?
So the alien is left to rot and die in the detestable abyss that is AVPR? :'(
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 15, 2011, 12:50:36 AM
Bah!
the script details we were given stinked.
did you people Really wanted a prequel to alien?
No, not really. I just wanted another Ridley Scott Alien movie.
Maybe William Gibson's Alien^3, but that's a pipe dream.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 15, 2011, 12:51:25 AM
So the alien is left to rot and die in the detestable abyss that is AVPR? :'(
Looks that way.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jan 15, 2011, 12:51:25 AM
So the alien is left to rot and die in the detestable abyss that is AVPR? :'(
Yep. It will be left in that undignified state. Never to be redeemed.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 15, 2011, 12:50:36 AM
Bah!
the script details we were given stinked.
did you people Really wanted a prequel to alien?
Yes cos it was Ridley Scott, man i would of been happy with a Alien Remake made by him or even Alien 5. but anyone else i would probaly not.
I can say I wanted a pre Res but post 3 movie.
A prequel just wouldn't have been right since the first one introduced everything so well.
But I was interested in seeing what Scott would have cooked up.
But Alien will never die, because good films don't die. Alien and Aliens (and arguably Alien3) will remain prime examples of Sci-Fi-Horror-Action for decades, perhaps even centuries to come.
The AvP films on the other hand are fast on their way to disappearing, like all bad sequels and spin-offs do.
It never needed redeeming in the first place because those first films are so good that nothing can touch them.
Im soooooooo glad I wasn't attached to this film and it's development like most of the people on the forum was.
It seems like we can't f**king get a break with the Alien series, they delay Colonial Marines forever & hardly release any info at all, & now Ridley Scott's film which we were all anticipating to blow our minds is no more, like it was all some sort of elaborate practical joke. This is a huge disappointment, no matter how good Prometheus is, it will always bear the burden of being the film that killed the Alien prequel.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 15, 2011, 12:50:36 AM
Bah!
the script details we were given stinked.
did you people Really wanted a prequel to alien?
I agree with
chupa, if the script that was leaked was even half true, I didn't want it.
Should this news be true, maybe it's a good thing. I know this is a bad example, but 'The Phantom Menace' had f**k all to do with Luke, and it still came full circle in the end. Albeit shoddily.
Well at least ive got The THING Prequel to look forward to. (just hope it is good)
look, the movie was getting far too deep into explotation territory. it didn't sound we were getting an Alien movie, rather a body horror/fetish porn with Aliens in the middle.
so the best thing is to take the aliens off the equation.
Aye. You're probably right. I'm still pissed about the whole thing.
One less thing to look forward to - that's right, Ridley, I sat through Robin Hood...
i'm really disappointed by this news, i guess this means no space jockeys aswell??? don't think i'm going to be intrested in this Prometheus now :-\ hope this is some sort of wind up... prehaps its for the best keeping the mystery of the alien/space jockey origins
posted on aintitcool as well :(
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48084 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48084)
This is just so sad...
I think it's better this way. These days, it's so rare to find original films that aren't remakes, prequels, or "reboots". An alien prequel would have sucked. I don't think the best director in the world could make an alien prequel that wouldn't be a disappointment. The fact that there is no backstory to Alien is part of the package. It's a surreal fantasy, and trying to "explain it" would totally, totally wreck it. It would be like having a Dali painting accompanied by a backstory. Why do it?
yeah i'm pretty relieved. alien doesn't need a prequel.
At the risk of being called a heretic, I'm kind of glad. No origins will be f**ked with.
f**k.
Yes.
this is bullshit! i was expectin so much more, what a let down.alien needs either a real suspense follow up ... back to its roots...or a reboot (with the same creatures).
so are you going to rename this forum or just blast it the f**k off into space
/nerd
Quote from: yaujta on Jan 15, 2011, 01:36:02 AM
this is bullshit! i was expectin so much more, what a let down.alien needs either a real suspense follow up ... back to its roots...or a reboot (with the same creatures).
I would rather see Ridley remake Alien then see the Prequel that he had planned. I mean i know Alien dont need a remake cos Alien is a classic, but if it was by the same crew behind the first film it could of been a real treat for the fans, seeing good Skull back on the big screen doing what he does best, But only if Scott and Giger was back and not some half arsed director.
yeah i'm sure we'll still get an alien reboot in the next ten years.
why can't they do a stand alone story? there is so many things that can be done...
Pfft. f**k 'em then. You don't hype a fanbase for a year and then say 'its not Alien no mores lolz'.
Quote from: Kimo on Jan 15, 2011, 01:45:21 AM
Quote from: yaujta on Jan 15, 2011, 01:36:02 AM
this is bullshit! i was expectin so much more, what a let down.alien needs either a real suspense follow up ... back to its roots...or a reboot (with the same creatures).
I would rather see Ridley remake Alien then see the Prequel that he had planned. I mean i know Alien dont need a remake cos Alien is a classic, but if it was by the same crew behind the first film it could of been a real treat for the fans, seeing good Skull back on the big screen doing what he does best, But only if Scott and Giger was back and not some half arsed director.
Why remake it? There's no need.
Quote from: El Diablo on Jan 14, 2011, 11:16:26 PM
From Superherohype.com
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73281 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73281)
RIDLEY SCOTT'S "PROMETHEUS" COMING MARCH 9, 2012
Twentieth Century Fox announced today that Ridley Scott will direct Prometheus, an original science fiction epic, for worldwide release on March 9, 2012. The initial draft of the script was written by Jon Spaihts (The Darkest Hour) from Scott's idea. Damon Lindelof ("Lost," Star Trek) and Scott have since been working together on the current version which has expanded the story into new directions.
Story details are being closely guarded so as not to spoil surprises for moviegoers, but Scott explained the outlines of the film and its genesis as follows: "While 'Alien' was indeed the jumping off point for this project, out of the creative process evolved a new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place. The keen fan will recognize strands of 'Alien's' DNA, so to speak, but the ideas tackled in this film are unique, large and provocative. I couldn't be more pleased to have found the singular tale I'd been searching for, and finally return to this genre that's so close to my heart."
"In a world flooded with prequels, sequels and reboots," said Lindelof. "I was incredibly struck by just how original Ridley's vision was for this movie. It's daring, visceral and hopefully, the last thing anyone expects. When I sat in a movie theater as a kid, feet raised off the floor for fear that something might grab my ankles, I never dreamed in my wildest imagination I would one day get to collaborate with the man responsible for it. Working alongside him has been nothing short of a dream come true."
Of the five major roles to be cast, Noomi Rapace is the first actor signed to star in the film. The young Swedish actress landed the role of scientist Elizabeth Shaw after Scott saw her portrayal of fictional Lisbeth Salander in the film The Girl With a Dragon Tattoo, for which she was lauded by Time magazine as a 2010 Performance of the Year. Rapace starred in all three entries of the breakout global franchise based on Stieg Larsson's Millennium trilogy of books (The Girl Who Played with Fire and The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest are the other two entries), which have collectively grossed more than $212 million worldwide.
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Quote from: Ghost Rider on Jan 15, 2011, 01:55:48 AM
Quote from: El Diablo on Jan 14, 2011, 11:16:26 PM
From Superherohype.com
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73281 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73281)
RIDLEY SCOTT'S "PROMETHEUS" COMING MARCH 9, 2012
Twentieth Century Fox announced today that Ridley Scott will direct Prometheus, an original science fiction epic, for worldwide release on March 9, 2012. The initial draft of the script was written by Jon Spaihts (The Darkest Hour) from Scott's idea. Damon Lindelof ("Lost," Star Trek) and Scott have since been working together on the current version which has expanded the story into new directions.
Story details are being closely guarded so as not to spoil surprises for moviegoers, but Scott explained the outlines of the film and its genesis as follows: "While 'Alien' was indeed the jumping off point for this project, out of the creative process evolved a new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place. The keen fan will recognize strands of 'Alien's' DNA, so to speak, but the ideas tackled in this film are unique, large and provocative. I couldn't be more pleased to have found the singular tale I'd been searching for, and finally return to this genre that's so close to my heart."
"In a world flooded with prequels, sequels and reboots," said Lindelof. "I was incredibly struck by just how original Ridley's vision was for this movie. It's daring, visceral and hopefully, the last thing anyone expects. When I sat in a movie theater as a kid, feet raised off the floor for fear that something might grab my ankles, I never dreamed in my wildest imagination I would one day get to collaborate with the man responsible for it. Working alongside him has been nothing short of a dream come true."
Of the five major roles to be cast, Noomi Rapace is the first actor signed to star in the film. The young Swedish actress landed the role of scientist Elizabeth Shaw after Scott saw her portrayal of fictional Lisbeth Salander in the film The Girl With a Dragon Tattoo, for which she was lauded by Time magazine as a 2010 Performance of the Year. Rapace starred in all three entries of the breakout global franchise based on Stieg Larsson's Millennium trilogy of books (The Girl Who Played with Fire and The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest are the other two entries), which have collectively grossed more than $212 million worldwide.
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QuoteExclusive: Ridley Scott eyes more int'l TV projects
14/01/11
Renowned film director Ridley Scott, speaking exclusively to TBI, says that he is looking to produce more international television projects following the success of The Pillars of the Earth.
The British director, who has helmed films including Alien, Blade Runner and Gladiator, produced the eight part miniseries through Scott Free Productions in association with German producer and distributor Tandem Communications.
The show aired on Starz in the United States and Channel 4 in the UK and has also been sold to broadcasters across the world.
"I think it's a great model," he said. "We're doing the second [Ken Follett] book World Without End and we're also working on Pompeii."
Scott, who was speaking to TBI from Pinewood Studios where he was prepping sets for the new Alien prequel that he is directing, is also working on an adaptation of British novel Blood Red Road, written by Moira Young, with French broadcaster TF1.
"We seem to be turning into the bloody History Channel," he joked.
Shame, only a day ago twas the Alien Prequel.
At least now we won't have endless bitching about canon rapage.
Really disappointed... but also kind of relieved. Mostly disappointed, though. It'd be cool if we could eventually see a real draft of the script from when it was still an Alien movie.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 15, 2011, 02:08:17 AM
At least now we won't have endless bitching about canon rapage.
Wouldn't count on that. Expect people to try and connect the universes, especially if Giger is on board [and that's IF he is]. People find a way to be ridiculous.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 02:09:43 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 15, 2011, 02:08:17 AM
At least now we won't have endless bitching about canon rapage.
Wouldn't count on that. Expect people to try and connect the universes, especially if Giger is on board [and that's IF he is]. People find a way to be ridiculous.
That's what I love about you mate, always the optimist :laugh:
"Wow" was my only word about this whole thing. A bit funny, but in the kind of way that you laugh when it's kinda sad. Oh, well.
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 15, 2011, 02:10:45 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 02:09:43 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 15, 2011, 02:08:17 AM
At least now we won't have endless bitching about canon rapage.
Wouldn't count on that. Expect people to try and connect the universes, especially if Giger is on board [and that's IF he is]. People find a way to be ridiculous.
That's what I love about you mate, always the optimist :laugh:
Sorry, I'm just really bummed. I've been expecting a Space Jockey-laden, Kingdom of Heaven-esque space epic for the past year. Now it's gone like Keyser Soze. As an Alien fan I'm let down, but as a sci-fi fan ... eh, we'll see what comes of this ... But Alien and Blade Runner is a helluva sci-fi track record.
I feel exactly the same way. But if Riddles feels he can't improve it or save it, I'd rather he left it alone. I'd prefer absolutely nothing before I had to watch another AvP:R, but if true this news gives us an out, and I can live with that.
Im delighted with this news! As much as I would love to see an alien movie with Giger, I HATED the idea of a prequel. For me the mystery and unknown were THE best elements of the original alien, never seeing the Space Jockey, not knowing what he is, what happened to the crew, what alien is and all that. Those elements made this movie and created the biggest terror. Thankfully, the mystery will be preserved now. Im very looking forward to this new project, go Ridley
I hate you StrangeShape. I hope we never meet. >;)
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 15, 2011, 02:22:44 AM
Im delighted with this news! As much as I would love to see an alien movie with Giger, I HATED the idea of a prequel. For me the mystery and unknown were THE best elements of the original alien, never seeing the Space Jockey, not knowing what he is, what happened to the crew, what alien is and all that. Those elements made this movie and created the biggest terror. Thankfully, the mystery will be preserved now. Im very looking forward to this new project, go Ridley
Completely agree, except maybe about hating on a prequel. For me it never really mattered.
i hope grand mythology and universe does not mean 'explaining the space jockeys'
It seems like those who are glad this isn't a prequel are glad that the MYSTERY is going to be kept intact.
I believe Ridley would have left a great deal of mystery, maybe even added more, with the prequel. I don't think he was setting out to fully articulate every detail about the Alien's origin.
What I'm hearing from the articles is that this movie became "too good" to be a prequel. "We'll just scrap the aliens because we can make tons of money anyway."
This makes me even more disappointed, because a large new mythology and direction is exactly what this franchise needs.
not "too good". it became "too different".
they tried "different" before.
But Scott was about to show and explain Jockeys story and go into the terraforming etc, and the rumor had it that alien was their genetic experiment (an idea i just really dislike, I prefer them to be some ancient species that once wiped out life or maybe even some kind of demons or something, idk, anything but a genetically engineered weapon) So the mystery will be preserved, the series will be left untouched and we'll get a new original creature movie with Scott and Giger, sounds like a win to me
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 15, 2011, 02:35:40 AM
not "too good". it became "too different".
they tried "different" before.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 15, 2011, 02:35:40 AM
not "too good". it became "too different".
they tried "different" before.
Can you explain 'why', without mentioning AvP:R?
I'm very disappointed. It's always nice to have a new Sci-Fi film on the horizon but this is a huge let down. I guess we can only hope Fox will revive it in a different way, and that we might get Predators Part 2 and AVP3 (yeah, I said it).
Probably for the best. Ridley Scott most likely would have made it so that the Aliens were artificial creatures accidentally made by the Space Jockeys or something and not made naturally like humans, Predators, etc. I know a lot of fans will be disappointed, but also that a lot of fans will be relieved that the Aliens' origins will still be shrouded in mystery. I'll still see the film in 3D and see how "Alien" it still is after being altered into a new movie/franchise. :)
EDIT: I forgot to mention, I'd prefer it if the Aliens were natural creatures and not accidentally "created" or anything.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 15, 2011, 02:37:21 AM
But Scott was about to show and explain Jockeys story and go into the terraforming etc, and the rumor had it that alien was their genetic experiment (an idea i just really dislike, I prefer them to be some ancient species that once wiped out life or maybe even some kind of demons or something, idk, anything but a genetically engineered weapon) So the mystery will be preserved, the series will be left untouched and we'll get a new original creature movie with Scott and Giger, sounds like a win to me
He's been saying they're Jockey-weapons for
years. Ancient species reminds me of AVP.
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 15, 2011, 02:39:17 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 15, 2011, 02:35:40 AM
not "too good". it became "too different".
they tried "different" before.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 15, 2011, 02:35:40 AM
not "too good". it became "too different".
they tried "different" before.
Can you explain 'why', without mentioning AvP:R?
Aliens was different, and it succeeded.
Alien3 tried to go back to the roots, and it went "alright". Ressurection tried to change again, and it sucked.
then, AvP, and the one that shouldn't be named.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 02:43:12 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 15, 2011, 02:37:21 AM
But Scott was about to show and explain Jockeys story and go into the terraforming etc, and the rumor had it that alien was their genetic experiment (an idea i just really dislike, I prefer them to be some ancient species that once wiped out life or maybe even some kind of demons or something, idk, anything but a genetically engineered weapon) So the mystery will be preserved, the series will be left untouched and we'll get a new original creature movie with Scott and Giger, sounds like a win to me
He's been saying they're Jockey-weapons for years.
But it was just one of the ideas and its different to theorize it outisde of the movie then actually to show it.
QuoteAncient species reminds me of AVP.
Not necessarily. It reminds me of the original alien. Jockey was fossilized so he was lying there for thousands of years at least, and in Aliens we know that no one ever encountered such creatures. So the mystery was phenomenal. We knew it was something ancient but didnt know what it was and why was it extinct
I guess the only other film from the AVP franchise after this is Predator 4 (or Predators 2). That's still coming out, right?
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 15, 2011, 02:46:52 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 02:43:12 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 15, 2011, 02:37:21 AM
But Scott was about to show and explain Jockeys story and go into the terraforming etc, and the rumor had it that alien was their genetic experiment (an idea i just really dislike, I prefer them to be some ancient species that once wiped out life or maybe even some kind of demons or something, idk, anything but a genetically engineered weapon) So the mystery will be preserved, the series will be left untouched and we'll get a new original creature movie with Scott and Giger, sounds like a win to me
He's been saying they're Jockey-weapons for years.
But it was just one of the ideas and its different to theorize it outisde of the movie then actually to show it.
You have to accept that T2's coda ending isn't canon, then ;) It ain't in the movie!
QuoteNot necessarily. It reminds me of the original alien. Jockey was fossilized so he was lying there for thousands of years at least, and in Aliens we know that no one ever encountered such creatures. So the mystery was phenomenal. We knew it was something ancient but didnt know what it was and why was it extinct
Jockey was, like his ship, literally made out of bone and strange mechanics. Anyway...
I think its a good thing actually. I can't help but feel the Alien series is somewhat played out. Subpar movies won't cut it. An epic movie with the same ideas is exactly that, something rehashed and not new.
The more Alien movies you make the more the Alien stops becoming a primary focus and the more it becomes character driven. Eventually people would be eating McDonald's while speaking about the Aliens eating up third world africa like it was the AIDS virus.
You could've eventually tried something like the Harvest script to be different, but then again, it doesn't feel like an Alien story. Harvest felt NOTHING LIKE the rest of the series. Crap films like AvP and AvP R did a better emulation.
Is it really an Alien movie if it doesn't feel anything like the rest of them?
Scott's best work has (arguably) been his two SciFi movies.
I have higher hopes now than I did for the prequel.
Something fresh. I like it.
It might not be a prequel, but suppossedly its going to take place in the Alien Universe. Still might tie in directly to the rest of the franchise.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 15, 2011, 02:49:35 AM
It might not be a prequel, but suppossedly its going to take place in the Alien Universe. Still might tie in directly to the rest of the franchise.
Wait, wait, hold it. This new film "Prometheus" is going to take place in the Alien universe? Does that mean it's going to be part of the Alien mythology?
What the f**k? It been 13 and half years since we got a 4th Alien movie and they are going to blow it off for this? Thanks a lot Fox for ruining a movie that could have been great. Now my day is even worst.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 02:49:22 AM
Jockey was, like his ship, literally made out of bone and strange mechanics. Anyway...
Well Dallas wasnt stupid, he noticed that everything was made out of bones, but the Jockey was clearly a skeleton. And fossils arent bones -
the remains (or an impression) of a plant or animal that existed in a past geological age and that has been excavated from the soilIt takes time for bones to fossilize.
As for T2 coda ending, it was scripted, filmed and novelized, as oppose to the Jockey stories which were only verbal theories and ideas
i look forward to the dvd documentary that will explain what the hell happened to the prequel
Is this news posted on a Fox website as official somewhere?....and if this news is real, then who are these characters that Noomi Rapace and possibly Charlize Theron will be playing?
When Ridley Mentions seeing a bit of ALIENs DNA I realized he wasn't talking about the creatures dweebs. That statements tells me that this new universe is in some way connected which to me, tells me that this new film is still in some way connected to the alien mythos.
Ultimately, i'm pissed about this and way let down.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 15, 2011, 02:58:29 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 02:49:22 AM
Jockey was, like his ship, literally made out of bone and strange mechanics. Anyway...
Well Dallas wasnt stupid, he noticed that everything was made out of bones, but the Jockey was clearly a skeleton. And fossils arent bones - the remains (or an impression) of a plant or animal that existed in a past geological age and that has been excavated from the soil
It takes time for bones to fossilize.
As for T2 coda ending, it was scripted, filmed and novelized, as oppose to the Jockey stories which were only verbal theories and ideas
Dallas didn't know what he was looking at. 30 years to fossilise in an Alien universe where the law of relativity is already out the window and sound travels through space, well, isn't a big leap for me. Anyway, we're talking about this at JCO :D
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 15, 2011, 02:57:03 AM
What the f**k? It been 13 and half years since we got a 4th Alien movie and they are going to blow it off for this? Thanks a lot Fox for ruining a movie that could have been great. Now my day is even worst.
Sorry, dude. I don't want to sound mean or insensitive, but I've always wanted the Alien to be a natural creature. And from what I've been hearing about the details of the plot, it sounded like Ridley was going to make the Aliens into creatures that were accidentally "created". So even though I understand this is bad news to many, it's kinda good news to me.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 15, 2011, 02:58:29 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 02:49:22 AM
Jockey was, like his ship, literally made out of bone and strange mechanics. Anyway...
Well Dallas wasnt stupid, he noticed that everything was made out of bones, but the Jockey was clearly a skeleton. And fossils arent bones - the remains (or an impression) of a plant or animal that existed in a past geological age and that has been excavated from the soil
It takes time for bones to fossilize.
As for T2 coda ending, it was scripted, filmed and novelized, as oppose to the Jockey stories which were only verbal theories and ideas
Something I feel the need to say here; in the Alien novelization, Dallas thinks that the ship looked like it was "grown", not "built". And the Alien Trilogy game calls the Derelict the "Bone Ship". I know some consider this noncanon, but you can take it or leave it. Just felt that I should say it.
You would think Fox will give fans what they want after AVPR? We got a 3rd Predator nearly 20 years later, I was hoping for a 5th Alien movie, 14 or 15 years later.
This is a good thing. Didn't want a prequel to begin with. Now hopefully they can make an Alien 5 and rightfully complete the Alien saga.
Eh, I think this is a blessing.
And it's not as if we have nothing Alien to look forward to. We still have Aliens Colonial Marines coming out soon. Now that there's no prequel, Gearbox or Sega or whoever's doing the marketing for the game won't have any specific date to time the release of the game to max up profits. They'll release the game when they're finished and won't hold back on us. ;D
If Your Life Had A Face I'd Punch It.
Hm, Alien 5 I think would follow Resurrection. Ripley again? Or ADI Aliens? Not what I want. [I know, reeks of WAAAAH].
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 03:14:13 AM
Hm, Alien 5 I think would follow Resurrection. Ripley again? Or ADI Aliens? Not what I want. [I know, reeks of WAAAAH].
I would prefer a prequel than the never ending continuation, ADI bugs and following the adventures of the 8th superclone of Ripley
We always hope for someone else to do the Prequel without Scott.
No. If anyone else does it, it will be horrible. This was the last chance, and they wasted it.
I'm strangely pleased and relieved to hear this news.
For Rid's first return to sci-fi in nearly 30 years, I'm really happy that he's freed from the constraints of what an Alien film needs to be. He had that freedom on Alien, and it was great. He had that freedom on Blade Runner, and it was great, too. Sadly, Alien has become a 'brand' and there are too many interests involved with that brand for anything truly original and genius to be made. Now, Ridley (and Giger, hopefully) can go absolutely nuts.
Plus, ask yourself: were you *really* looking forward to finding out that the Space Jockey was a galactic explorer named Hank who created the aliens in a fish tank, like so many Sea Monkeys, and then was pursued for a while by some woman named Elizabeth Shaw? I mean... who cares?
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jan 15, 2011, 03:38:41 AM
Plus, ask yourself: were you *really* looking forward to finding out that the Space Jockey was a galactic explorer named Hank who created the aliens in a fish tank, like so many Sea Monkeys, and then was pursued for a while by some woman named Elizabeth Shaw? I mean... who cares?
Fan fiction will prevail!
Anyway, if the script for this started out as Alien, then it'll likely leak eventually [I don't buy Harvest] and then Predxeno or whomever will start a thread about it and we can all spend 800 pages arguing ala Bishop in Alien 3.
Oh, great. I can't wait for that.
Ridley doesn't say anything it about not being an alien prequel. I say it still has relevance to Alien.
Yes he did. Go read the article again.
See! It begins.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 15, 2011, 03:45:15 AM
Yes he did. Go read the article again.
RIDLEY SAYS THIS IN EVERYTHING I'VE READ THUS FAR:
"While Alien was indeed the jumping off point for this project, out of the creative process evolved a new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place. The keen fan will recognize strands of Alien's DNA, so to speak, but the ideas tackled in this film are unique, large and provocative."
The article say's it is no more alien prequel, but Ridley Never states that. It could be a mis interpretation.
My heart shatters into pieces... I want to go home...
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 03:46:54 AM
See! It begins.
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Whatever, much rather have a new Ridley Scott sci fi movie than a new alien movie.
well, to try and look on the bright side, hopefully this means that that they can create a whole new monster. Make a fresh start.
Make whatever the f**k they want.
Well piss. If this is the case Scott's film better be a damn good one. :(
QuoteAlien prequel is now prometh-
Suddenly, I don't give a shit anymore.
If Angelina Jolie is in this I will commit suicide
Quote from: bleau on Jan 15, 2011, 03:49:07 AMout of the creative process evolved a new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place.
That's the really interesting thing, to me. Like, Jim Cameron wanted to create his own
Star Wars, and he came up with
Avatar. Could Ridley have his eye on creating an all-new franchise that he can have more control over than he did with what eventually became the Alien franchise?
Wow I wasn nervous about a prequel but I didn't want this too happen at all. And to those who say that this will be an "original" film, it won't. All they will be doing is blacking out any parts of the script that have the words "Alien", "Xenomorph", "Colonial Marines", and "Space Jockey". Man I hope this dosen't happen.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2011, 01:55:15 AM
Quote from: Kimo on Jan 15, 2011, 01:45:21 AM
Quote from: yaujta on Jan 15, 2011, 01:36:02 AM
this is bullshit! i was expectin so much more, what a let down.alien needs either a real suspense follow up ... back to its roots...or a reboot (with the same creatures).
I would rather see Ridley remake Alien then see the Prequel that he had planned. I mean i know Alien dont need a remake cos Alien is a classic, but if it was by the same crew behind the first film it could of been a real treat for the fans, seeing good Skull back on the big screen doing what he does best, But only if Scott and Giger was back and not some half arsed director.
Why remake it? There's no need.
I no it does not need a remake but Fox are gunna reboot/remake/Alien5 the Alien films, even if we like the idea or not, it is just a matter of time, with or without Ridley or Cameron. So i dont see a point in Alien 5 cos Ripley died in A3 and AR was kind of silly, and i just dont want to see Ripley doing the same old story.
If a Prequel was made it would take away the mistery of the Alien and the Jockey, but i was willing to give the film a chance when i heard Ridley was gunna do it since he was the man behind Alien.
Reboot these days are just utter crap (well most are) and i dont want to see Alien get a reboot by some new arse of a director that just wants to put his fanboy ideas into the mix, or is forced to make a pg13 film with Fox pissing all over the film.
So for me i would only want to see a remake by the same crew behind Alien as in Ridley Scott and Giger, because im sure they was so much more that Ridley and crew wanted in Alien back in the 70's, but could not do because of budget, or was impossible to do back then. Like the alien getting his arm ripped off at the air lock and growing it back, and also a even more translucent look to skull. I would just love to revisit Alien with today movie magic and technology, but only in the right hands of course. Because i did not like the path the Alien went after the first film by turning the Alien into some bug type of cannon fodder that Aliens made them into. Dont get me wrong i do like Aliens but i want Skull back with no Queen/Hive idea and if that means a remake of the first film then i am all for it.
Upset we`re not getting a new Alien, but happy we`re getting a new sci-fi epic from Ridley. Here`s hoping for the best.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 15, 2011, 03:38:16 AM
No. If anyone else does it, it will be horrible. This was the last chance, and they wasted it.
It depends who they hire. We got a small indy director for "Predators" (2010) and that movie turn out great.
Quote from: Kimo on Jan 15, 2011, 04:24:19 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2011, 01:55:15 AM
Quote from: Kimo on Jan 15, 2011, 01:45:21 AM
Quote from: yaujta on Jan 15, 2011, 01:36:02 AM
this is bullshit! i was expectin so much more, what a let down.alien needs either a real suspense follow up ... back to its roots...or a reboot (with the same creatures).
I would rather see Ridley remake Alien then see the Prequel that he had planned. I mean i know Alien dont need a remake cos Alien is a classic, but if it was by the same crew behind the first film it could of been a real treat for the fans, seeing good Skull back on the big screen doing what he does best, But only if Scott and Giger was back and not some half arsed director.
Why remake it? There's no need.
I no it does not need a remake but Fox are gunna reboot/remake/Alien5 the Alien films, even if we like the idea or not, it is just a matter of time, with or without Ridley or Cameron. So i dont see a point in Alien 5 cos Ripley died in A3 and AR was kind of silly, and i just dont want to see Ripley doing the same old story.
If a Prequel was made it would take away the mistery of the Alien and the Jockey, but i was willing to give the film a chance when i heard Ridley was gunna do it since he was the man behind Alien.
Reboot these days are just utter crap (well most are) and i dont want to see Alien get a reboot by some new arse of a director that just wants to put his fanboy ideas into the mix, or is forced to make a pg13 film with Fox pissing all over the film.
So for me i would only want to see a remake by the same crew behind Alien as in Ridley Scott and Giger, because im sure they was so much more that Ridley and crew wanted in Alien back in the 70's, but could not do because of budget, or was impossible to do back then. Like the alien getting his arm ripped off at the air lock and growing it back, and also a even more translucent look to skull. I would just love to revisit Alien with today movie magic and technology, but only in the right hands of course. Because i did not like the path the Alien went after the first film by turning the Alien into some bug type of cannon fodder that Aliens made them into. Dont get me wrong i do like Aliens but i want Skull back with no Queen/Hive idea and if that means a remake of the first film then i am all for it.
The original crew would know better than to remake it because something tells me that if Riddles didn't like the Director's Cut of the film, he wouldn't be big on remake. He would stick to the same formula in which case we'd get the exact same movie so again, what's the point?
And if/when the film is remade by another crew, spare yourself the sadness and just don't see it. That's what I would do.
God dammit. No Alien prequel? This is all the fault of Avatar. Scott is apparently trying to do something "epic" like that film.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2011, 04:41:08 AM
Quote from: Kimo on Jan 15, 2011, 04:24:19 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2011, 01:55:15 AM
Quote from: Kimo on Jan 15, 2011, 01:45:21 AM
Quote from: yaujta on Jan 15, 2011, 01:36:02 AM
this is bullshit! i was expectin so much more, what a let down.alien needs either a real suspense follow up ... back to its roots...or a reboot (with the same creatures).
I would rather see Ridley remake Alien then see the Prequel that he had planned. I mean i know Alien dont need a remake cos Alien is a classic, but if it was by the same crew behind the first film it could of been a real treat for the fans, seeing good Skull back on the big screen doing what he does best, But only if Scott and Giger was back and not some half arsed director.
Why remake it? There's no need.
I no it does not need a remake but Fox are gunna reboot/remake/Alien5 the Alien films, even if we like the idea or not, it is just a matter of time, with or without Ridley or Cameron. So i dont see a point in Alien 5 cos Ripley died in A3 and AR was kind of silly, and i just dont want to see Ripley doing the same old story.
If a Prequel was made it would take away the mistery of the Alien and the Jockey, but i was willing to give the film a chance when i heard Ridley was gunna do it since he was the man behind Alien.
Reboot these days are just utter crap (well most are) and i dont want to see Alien get a reboot by some new arse of a director that just wants to put his fanboy ideas into the mix, or is forced to make a pg13 film with Fox pissing all over the film.
So for me i would only want to see a remake by the same crew behind Alien as in Ridley Scott and Giger, because im sure they was so much more that Ridley and crew wanted in Alien back in the 70's, but could not do because of budget, or was impossible to do back then. Like the alien getting his arm ripped off at the air lock and growing it back, and also a even more translucent look to skull. I would just love to revisit Alien with today movie magic and technology, but only in the right hands of course. Because i did not like the path the Alien went after the first film by turning the Alien into some bug type of cannon fodder that Aliens made them into. Dont get me wrong i do like Aliens but i want Skull back with no Queen/Hive idea and if that means a remake of the first film then i am all for it.
The original crew would know better than to remake it because something tells me that if Riddles didn't like the Director's Cut of the film, he wouldn't be big on remake. He would stick to the same formula in which case we'd get the exact same movie so again, what's the point?
And if/when the film is remade by another crew, spare yourself the sadness and just don't see it. That's what I would do.
True i do agree with what your saying, but Fox will milk the Alien franchise with more films in the future even if we like it or not. It is just my personal option on that i would rather see a Remake over a reboot or prequel/Alien5. And yes i very much doubt Ridley would want to remake Alien, but if Alien was remade i would love him to do it or be apart of it somehow.
Sorry if this has already been posted nut I think it could still be the alien prequel in a way. It might be a movie that has no aliens in it at all. but Ridley said it would have some alien DNA so maybe this movie leads to the events of alien of something. Just no aliens.
blaaaaaaaah
shittiness of today just went to 11.
Scott said the "DNA of Alien" is there. Its prob gonna be an epic film. just wait guys.
So let me get this straight. we're going from having an alien prequel directed by Ridley Scott ...to having a film that has nothing to do with aliens AT ALL???
thats crap.
I'm pretty sure the movie will be made by someone else. I doubt Fox will let a million doller series die without a new movie.
they let Riddles get away with the budget for a different product, i think everyone at fox is confident enough of this project to drop the prequel.
Strange feeling, being relieved and disappointed at the same time.
Quote from: JayHy17 on Jan 15, 2011, 05:16:03 AM
Scott said the "DNA of Alien" is there. Its prob gonna be an epic film. just wait guys.
Look at the first page. He meant as in filmmaking, that its gonna have the same feel as Alien, he didnt mean that literally
im gonna go and sleep on this.
at the moment im too upset to even think straight. maybe i will see the silver lining tomorrow.
Praying that this news turns out to be fake, bitterly dissapointed if its true, we nearly had the perfect set up of every Alien fans wet dream, a new Alien film directed by the original director, now he seems to have gotten carried away with his own ideas.
PS. I dont mind it its a film not centered on the Alien, just want it to be in the Alien universe, not a completly "original idea". Alien was his greatest movie and he has not made anything as good since, actually progressivly worse, what makes him think he can do it now?
GIVE US ALIEN PREQUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: cmc on Jan 15, 2011, 05:41:54 AM
PS. I dont mind it its a film not centered on the Alien, just want it to be in the Alien universe, not a completly "original idea". Alien was his greatest movie and he has not made anything as good since, actually progressivly worse, what makes him think he can do it now?
Yeah, Blade Runner was the first indication of the downward spiral for Scott ...
;)
Noooooooo! :(
I was so looking forward to a Ridley Alien Prequel.
At least he gets to do an original movie so that is good, but I really really had my hopes up for a new Alien film by Ridley. Way more so than any other director aside from Cameron.
So what can the Prometheus title mean? I know it has to do with Greek mythology, and that Mary Shelley's Frankenstein was at some point titled "The Modern Prometheus". So what could it possibly tell us about the movie? Perhaps a discovery that was not meant to fall on human hands?
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 05:43:35 AM
Quote from: cmc on Jan 15, 2011, 05:41:54 AM
PS. I dont mind it its a film not centered on the Alien, just want it to be in the Alien universe, not a completly "original idea". Alien was his greatest movie and he has not made anything as good since, actually progressivly worse, what makes him think he can do it now?
Yeah, Blade Runner was the first indication of the downward spiral for Scott ...
;)
Ahhhh of course, Bladerunner was great, a classic, but not as good as Alien, hence, progressivly worse.
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Jan 15, 2011, 05:58:51 AM
So what can the Prometheus title mean? I know it has to do with Greek mythology, and that Mary Shelley's Frankenstein was at some point titled "The Modern Prometheus". So what could it possibly tell us about the movie? Perhaps a discovery that was not meant to fall on human hands?
It's pretty obvious. Homosexual human explorers go waltzing about the universe, make an amazing discovery that will change the future of technology irrevocably, try to bring it back, and everything goes wrong from there. Get their bladders eaten by space eagles or something.
Quote from: cmc on Jan 15, 2011, 06:03:18 AM
Ahhhh of course, Bladerunner was great, a classic, but not as good as Alien, hence, progressivly worse.
Very debatable.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 15, 2011, 06:05:24 AM
Quote from: cmc on Jan 15, 2011, 06:03:18 AM
Ahhhh of course, Bladerunner was great, a classic, but not as good as Alien, hence, progressivly worse.
Very debatable.
Yea, I personally like Blade Runner more then Alien.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvosMA7_aQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvosMA7_aQ#ws)
You funny motherf**ker. :laugh:
2:04... I'm touched.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 15, 2011, 06:14:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvosMA7_aQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvosMA7_aQ#ws)
That was too great Space Sweeper. :D
I am very sad right now. I hope its a good movie, however i still would of loved to have a good alien movie again.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 15, 2011, 06:14:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvosMA7_aQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvosMA7_aQ#ws)
That was the best thing to come out of this mess. Thanks Sweeps.
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Jan 15, 2011, 05:58:51 AM
So what can the Prometheus title mean? I know it has to do with Greek mythology, and that Mary Shelley's Frankenstein was at some point titled "The Modern Prometheus". So what could it possibly tell us about the movie? Perhaps a discovery that was not meant to fall on human hands?
Prometheus, the bad boy, was a Titan who fought for the Olympians. However, when Zeus decided to wipe out miserable mankind, Prom took pity and passed them the gift of fire. For this he was punished, tethered to a remote peak to be tortured. He was eventually rescued by Herakles. I guess in this case it's a metaphor for humanity getting some high technology from another race, and it having major consequences. All the terraforming and stuff Scott's been talking about likely still stands.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 15, 2011, 06:21:18 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 15, 2011, 06:14:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvosMA7_aQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvosMA7_aQ#ws)
That was the best thing to come out of this mess. Thanks Sweeps.
Spoiler
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I loved that. ;D
The Stacey reference was especially sweet.
I had added background music for dramatic irony.
Sweeps when i saw that vid, i forgot how to speak because it shown exactly how i feel right now. That vid should be remebered here for all time.
This is really disappointing. I was really looking forward to an ALien prequel. It seems by all the news floating around the net that this so-callerd "Prometheus" is an entirely different film. Unless, Prometheus is the new title of the supposed Alien 5 (hopefully). If not I am really disappointed by this move. I mean, what could possibly be "new territory" with a "hint of the alien universe" in it? That doesn't make sense. Its like the Ewok Adventure which was a part of the Star Wars Universe, but in itself was a completely different story. Disappointing. Unless, its totally exploring the Mala'kak Space Jockey race and leaving the xenomorphs completely out of the film or something. Well, I just hope there is some hint of the Alien universe in it. :(
idc, we come to this site for aliens and predators, and we run to this site with our mouths drooling to focus an obsessive love of it, especially when we get a prequel reboot to the film and direcector that started it all. we were anticipating an alien prequel, now we're all filled with discontent and remorse. we wanted aliens so im gonna assume this is a croc of shit -rumore-enternent gossip horseshit and we're still gonna get alien. if it is true i guesse ridley knew fox would just pull one of the corporate plot cluster f**ks
I always lol at the officer speaking as fast as he can to make Hitler feel better.
this is such bullsh!t. they hyped up the fan community for over a year and then drop the whole concept to do completely unrelated work?
i know Scott was toying around with the idea of doing a spin off film about Ripley... is that was this might be like? some sort of sidequel that takes place in the same universe as Alien?
all my anticipation just went out the window.
"It's just.. I waited months in anticipation is all... Act heartbroken."
[Officer slowly puts his hand over his heart]
"..Great, now act nervous."
[Officer pulls on his collar]
...
"Now, I know we're all heartbroken and nervous,"
I was quite pleased with that part. :laugh:
Even with all those Hitler videos swimming around on the net, you managed to make yours innately distinctive. Kudos on that, very professional.
That video was f**king awesome.
That is exactly how I felt. (but a but more exaggerated)
I'm getting more and more disappointed about this.
What the f**k. I was looking forward to this f**king movie.
Now i'll be haunted by visions of AVPR aliens masturbating on the Giger original for ever.
This is truly terrible news.
How can the movie take place in the same universe if it doesn't feature the Alien creatures and/or the space jockeys.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 15, 2011, 05:19:37 AM
Strange feeling, being relieved and disappointed at the same time.
Quote from: Darkness on Jan 15, 2011, 08:16:27 AM
This is truly terrible news.
How can the movie take place in the same universe if it doesn't feature the Alien creatures and/or the space jockeys.
Yeah I know darkness, doesn't make any sense to me at all.
However I guess Ridley had a reason to. However it would of been nice to see the alien franchise put out another film, the predator franchise got predatos.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 15, 2011, 08:38:13 AM
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 15, 2011, 05:19:37 AM
Strange feeling, being relieved and disappointed at the same time.
This.
Now Prometheus is going to be looked at as the movie that should have been an Alien prequel, is doomed.
Am I the only one who isn't the least bit bothered by this news?
Deep deep down inside you wanted it too.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 15, 2011, 09:11:02 AM
Am I the only one who isn't the least bit bothered by this news?
Nope, I'm with you. Well, sort of... I wasn't dreading the prequel. But we kept hearing about Ridley butting heads with Fox - there was a large chance of them getting overly involved and screwing it up once again, they can't seem to trust a director with the franchise. With Ridley now helming an original property, maybe they'll take a hint from Avatar's success and just leave him to it.
Also, creatively speaking, it means there aren't any rules imposed by using an existing universe.
I think it's more important to have another Ridley Scott sci-fi film than another Alien film. The guy's made two absolute classics from his two forays into the genre, so hopefully he now has the creative and managerial freedom to get back to what made him great.
I just held that it was pointless.
Quote from: Brother on Jan 15, 2011, 09:16:12 AM
Deep deep down inside you wanted it too.
He'll never admit it though.
I guess I'm partially happy since I never wanted a prequel. But with the Scott/Giger fantasy team up I was excited as f**k. If they were in charge of it I would gladly have them show us some jockeys and alien origins or whatever. But hyping it all up for so long and then deciding to do something totally different? f**k off. You should have never said you were going to make a new alien if you were not committed to it. Or at least not jerk us around with rumors.
And now I drew all those jockeys for nothin'.
Bleh. I mad.
Keep sippin', Spaghetti. Keep sippin'.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 15, 2011, 06:14:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvosMA7_aQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvosMA7_aQ#ws)
That was brilliant. :D
But I'm still sad. :(
Well I dont know what to think, if WY is still in this movie that would be cool, and isnt there meant to be 2 of these movies? just wondering if the second one will bridge to Alien.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 15, 2011, 09:31:09 AM
Keep sippin', Spaghetti. Keep sippin'.
I shall sip my fanboy tears this night.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 15, 2011, 09:11:02 AM
Am I the only one who isn't the least bit bothered by this news?
Certainly not. Mysteries of the original Alien preserved and new Giger/Scott creature film on the horizon. For me thats great news
FOX has turned this into a vehicle for Rapace, since she's the new 'it' girl...and that's some bullshit.
Way to bend over and take it far up the crapper Ridley. ::)
Strangely enough I'm a little happy. Even though Scott was going to direct it I still never had much faith in a prequel to Alien.
Hey, it's a sci-fi movie by Ridley Scott. I get the sense that this news might be smoke and mirrors because the hype/speculation is so high already, but even if not it's still likely to be a stunning film.
Perhaps I'm not that bothered because I never felt any loyalty to the 'franchise', only a great admiration for the 1979 classic. If Ridley feels that that franchise has killed the spirit of the original anyway he might well just want to revisit the genre and the universe he set in place without being shackled to any of the 'supposed' continuity of the sequels. If by stating as much now he is freeing up his creativity then so much the better.
In fact, if you read between the lines, it might well be that this was a necessary step in order to get Fox from making all sorts of continuity demands. The DNA tone that he talks about hints that maybe this is set in the same universe as the original but not the sequels, so it might be for those fans who recognise those elements, ie Alien(79) purists. Well one can hope.
Anyway, the hints are still there that there is a strong element of horror in this sc-fi, and Ridley Scott doing horror sci-fi is still the most exciting film news in years - whether a Space Jockey or alien appears or not.
Besides it was going to be difficult to put humans with aliens in a film set before Alien anyway. I definately still get the vibe that this film will tie up with Alien, but not in the predictable ways of an alien vs human plot.
If I'm wrong so be it, I've always considered Outland to be a closer sequel to Alien than Aliens anyway, so whatever Scott has to offer will be cool with me.
While we're just starting on the "Boo Fox!" stage -- would someone care to point out where it was ever said this was Fox's decision? Talk that this might go in another direction entirely has been floating around for months.
I'm all for shit-talking them as much as the next guy, but I also like doing it for shit they're actually responsible for.
Damn... This sucks...
Scott... I'm SO disappoint. >:(
Now FOX will most likely stick another amateur up our asses to do an Alien/AvP movie. :(
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Jan 15, 2011, 11:16:27 AM
Scott... I'm SO disappoint. >:(
Now FOX will most likely stick another amateur up our asses to do an Alien/AvP movie. :(
Thats the way the cookie crumbles.
What a kick in the guts.
For 2 years I'd been very much looking forward to a new Alien film directed by Scott... I mean to get THAT far after so many years seemed like a dream! While I'm grateful we got Predators in the last year, the Alien series has always been my thing. I've longed for a new stand-alone movie for years, and after 2 years of rumours and talk building up to what seemed like an imminent start date, and then for it to be now announced as something else is.... well, hugely disappointing to me.
When Damon Lindelof came onboard, and there was speculation that the discussions he'll have for the film may lead into something else, I didn't seriously believe that would happen. Who signs up for an Alien film only to make it something else? Absoloutely typical this would happen to the series I love. Thanks for that. Can't wait to see how he'll change Star Trek 2 into a ballet on the moon....
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Jan 15, 2011, 11:16:27 AM
Now FOX will most likely stick another amateur up our asses to do an Alien/AvP movie. :(
Even though they vetoed the idea already just because they wanted Scott and only Scott? ???
Does no-one actually remember anything that happened in the last 18 months?
I can't understand the people who are actually happy about this news.
I don't think they know what they are in for, in a few years they will announce it again, with a noob director, a teen cast and it's probably going to be a straight up remake, and they will go "Remember when Ridley Scott was attached to this? And Giger? And a tremendous actress?
Mark my words.
Consider them marked.
to be honest....i am so glad that they turned it to something original....I was never a big fan of this whole prequel idea....on the other hand, we have a great Scott sci-fi action/horror epic on the horizon
this means that we still have a chance to have a Sigourney Weaver on board for the nextl Alien movie....I mean this franchise was always about Ripleys character.....and i think it should st this way....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxX8gJqULIs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxX8gJqULIs#ws)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 15, 2011, 11:50:52 AM
I can't understand the people who are actually happy about this news.
I don't think they know what they are in for, in a few years they will announce it again, with a noob director, a teen cast and it's probably going to be a straight up remake,
Right. They waited over thirty years, said "f**k off" to a newcomer director that
Ridley Scott signed off on, then waited for Ridley Scott to be available before even
thinking about the thing further ... but within the near future they're going to just do a remake anyway with a collection of nobodies and underwear models.
Is Fox just entirely populated by mustache-twirling villains to you people, or what?
QuoteRight. They waited over thirty years, said "f**k off" to a newcomer director that Ridley Scott signed off on, then waited for Ridley Scott to be available before even thinking about the thing further ... but within the near future they're going to just do a remake anyway with a collection of nobodies and underwear models.
Is Fox just entirely populated by mustache-twirling villains to you people, or what?
I don't blame FOX for this in the slightest.
And they didnt wait 30 years, they made a whole series of movies in between that you know... and they didn't give a shit for Ridley in the mean time..or Giger. They gave the sequel to a noob, that noob just happened to be James Cameron, and they did it again with Alien 3.
They will do it again, and in a Hollywood that is flooded with screaming Teen's that like gay Vampires and Ladyboys, they will make the movie with that in mind. 'Cause that is economically viable. And so is the Alien franchise.
Expect a low-budget Reboot/Re-Imagening/Remake in the near future without Ridley is all i'm saying.
Wow this thread is bursting with idiocy!
Comeon, Johnny, you know better than that. Aliens was given to Cameron based on the talent he'd shown in his script and with the success of Terminator.
I'm disappointed in that we wont be getting a new Alien film anytime soon but am extremely relieved because I don't want something so completely different from Alien. Even if it is by Riddles. I want Alien. We all know how much the first Alien relied on having all those key people to make it great. Scott and Giger both had their own crazy ideas that I was worried might surface for this.
I'm hopeful that we'll get a new Alien film. Maybe in between A3 and A4. Something isolated. Or a decent reboot of AvP. Who knows.
Fox sent me the press release and it's just what's online. No mention of Alien's future.
Spoiler
RIDLEY SCOTT'S PROMETHEUS IS BOUND FOR
RELEASE ON MARCH 9, 2012
Legendary filmmaker returns to science fiction filmmaking for first time since Blade Runner
Los Angeles (January 14, 2011) __ Twentieth Century Fox announced today that Ridley Scott will direct PROMETHEUS, an original science fiction epic, for worldwide release on March 9, 2012. The initial draft of the script was written by Jon Spaihts (The Darkest Hour) from Scott's idea. Damon Lindelof (Lost, Star Trek) and Scott have since been working together on the current version which has expanded the story into new directions.
Story details are being closely guarded so as not to spoil surprises for moviegoers, but Scott explained the outlines of the film and its genesis as follows: "While Alien was indeed the jumping off point for this project, out of the creative process evolved a new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place. The keen fan will recognize strands of Alien's DNA, so to speak, but the ideas tackled in this film are unique, large and provocative. I couldn't be more pleased to have found the singular tale I'd been searching for, and finally return to this genre that's so close to my heart."
"In a world flooded with prequels, sequels and reboots," said Lindelof. "I was incredibly struck by just how original Ridley's vision was for this movie. It's daring, visceral and hopefully, the last thing anyone expects. When I sat in a movie theater as a kid, feet raised off the floor for fear that something might grab my ankles, I never dreamed in my wildest imagination I would one day get to collaborate with the man responsible for it. Working alongside him has been nothing short of a dream come true."
Of the five major roles to be cast, Noomi Rapace is the first actor signed to star in the film. The young Swedish actress landed the role of scientist Elizabeth Shaw after Scott saw her portrayal of fictional Lisbeth Salander in the film The Girl With a Dragon Tattoo, for which she was lauded by Time magazine as a 2010 Performance of the Year. Rapace starred in all three entries of the breakout global franchise based on Stieg Larsson's Millennium trilogy of books (The Girl Who Played with Fire and The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest are the other two entries), which have collectively grossed more than $212 million worldwide.
The other major roles will be cast shortly.
About Fox Filmed Entertainment
One of the world's largest producers and distributors of motion pictures, Fox Filmed Entertainment produces, acquires and distributes motion pictures throughout the world. These motion pictures are produced or acquired by the following units of FFE: Twentieth Century Fox, Fox 2000 Pictures, Fox Searchlight Pictures, Fox International Productions and Twentieth Century Fox Animation
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 15, 2011, 12:57:47 PMFox sent me the press release and it's just what's online. No mention of Alien's future.
Spoiler
RIDLEY SCOTT'S PROMETHEUS IS BOUND FOR
RELEASE ON MARCH 9, 2012
Legendary filmmaker returns to science fiction filmmaking for first time since Blade Runner
Los Angeles (January 14, 2011) __ Twentieth Century Fox announced today that Ridley Scott will direct PROMETHEUS, an original science fiction epic, for worldwide release on March 9, 2012. The initial draft of the script was written by Jon Spaihts (The Darkest Hour) from Scott's idea. Damon Lindelof (Lost, Star Trek) and Scott have since been working together on the current version which has expanded the story into new directions.
Story details are being closely guarded so as not to spoil surprises for moviegoers, but Scott explained the outlines of the film and its genesis as follows: "While Alien was indeed the jumping off point for this project, out of the creative process evolved a new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place. The keen fan will recognize strands of Alien's DNA, so to speak, but the ideas tackled in this film are unique, large and provocative. I couldn't be more pleased to have found the singular tale I'd been searching for, and finally return to this genre that's so close to my heart."
"In a world flooded with prequels, sequels and reboots," said Lindelof. "I was incredibly struck by just how original Ridley's vision was for this movie. It's daring, visceral and hopefully, the last thing anyone expects. When I sat in a movie theater as a kid, feet raised off the floor for fear that something might grab my ankles, I never dreamed in my wildest imagination I would one day get to collaborate with the man responsible for it. Working alongside him has been nothing short of a dream come true."
Of the five major roles to be cast, Noomi Rapace is the first actor signed to star in the film. The young Swedish actress landed the role of scientist Elizabeth Shaw after Scott saw her portrayal of fictional Lisbeth Salander in the film The Girl With a Dragon Tattoo, for which she was lauded by Time magazine as a 2010 Performance of the Year. Rapace starred in all three entries of the breakout global franchise based on Stieg Larsson's Millennium trilogy of books (The Girl Who Played with Fire and The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest are the other two entries), which have collectively grossed more than $212 million worldwide.
The other major roles will be cast shortly.
About Fox Filmed Entertainment
One of the world's largest producers and distributors of motion pictures, Fox Filmed Entertainment produces, acquires and distributes motion pictures throughout the world. These motion pictures are produced or acquired by the following units of FFE: Twentieth Century Fox, Fox 2000 Pictures, Fox Searchlight Pictures, Fox International Productions and Twentieth Century Fox Animation
Sounds good, I just hope they have a good story to go with the cast. :)
Hopefully it will be good.
And with this movie no longer being made, AVP and AVPR are now official canon once again...
I'm praying on my knees now for an AvP reboot set in space.
Worstpreviews.com says the alien prequel is still on. Go look.......kind of
Quote from: Joe117 on Jan 15, 2011, 01:33:14 PM
Worstpreviews.com says the alien prequel is still on. Go look :)
It seems that that may just be a misunderstanding...
Yea I'm just confused...."strands of alien DNA"
Quote from: Joe117 on Jan 15, 2011, 01:45:32 PM
Yea I'm just confused...."strands of alien DNA"
That is most likely referring to the film itself. The movie was built out of strands of the Alien Prequel's DNA.
Ah ok thanks =) I just saw the news and posted it..
I think this might be for the best. Sure, I'm a little bummed, but at least those Space Jockeys should rightfully remain a mystery for now, ey?
I dont understand, does it mean there is'nt going to be an Alien film (prequel/sequel), But a new film that has the alien design in it.???
It won't have the alien we know in it.
The Alien fanchise has now been officially destroyed forever. No ALIEN film will ever be made again because of FOX, RIDLEY, Lindelof. They can all burn in hell.
They better make one great movie to make up for this.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 15, 2011, 06:14:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvosMA7_aQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvosMA7_aQ#ws)
thank you kind sir.
this made my day.
Quote from: worriors on Jan 15, 2011, 02:05:37 PM
The Alien fanchise has now been officially destroyed forever. No ALIEN film will ever be made again because of FOX, RIDLEY, Lindelof. They can all burn in hell.
What the hell? :D
Quote from: Stalker on Jan 15, 2011, 12:58:27 AM
It seems like we can't f**king get a break with the Alien series, they delay Colonial Marines forever & hardly release any info at all, & now Ridley Scott's film which we were all anticipating to blow our minds is no more, like it was all some sort of elaborate practical joke. This is a huge disappointment, no matter how good Prometheus is, it will always bear the burden of being the film that killed the Alien prequel.
I agree 100%... its getting hard for us Alien fans... delays, changing scripts and the films all together. i would like to see at least one more GOOD Alien film in the next 60 years... lets just keep hopes up... Dont get me wrong i love Predator.. but i think it should the Alien Prequel next.. I feel as though the Alien story isnt finished..
Gay vampires and ladyboys? Homophobic much?
Remember the PURGE screen in Blade Runner? 'Connects the universes,' some say. Expect someone to mention a 'company' in Prometheus - canon argument frenzy!
I'm still gutted. If only I hadn't been hyped for so long. I really had faith that Ridley could pull off a pre-Alien Alien movie and not wreck it. I like Ridley's filmography anyway, and especially his two sci-fi flicks, so despite all the wailing I'll still be seeing Prometheus. I'll probably love it too. But it'll forever be connected with Alien now.
As for Alien 5 ... I don't wanna even consider it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 15, 2011, 12:57:47 PM
Comeon, Johnny, you know better than that. Aliens was given to Cameron based on the talent he'd shown in his script and with the success of Terminator.
Actually they signed him up based
entirely on a script draft, they let him delay starting production on Aliens until he'd wrapped Terminator.
Then again, it's bloody rare to find a director who's also a keen and talented writer. Combined with his special effects background, he was a hell of a catch, even as an unproven director. They'd be very lucky to have that opportunity come round again.
Cameron's a talented writer? Is there any evidence for this?
Quote from: Vertigo on Jan 15, 2011, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 15, 2011, 12:57:47 PM
Comeon, Johnny, you know better than that. Aliens was given to Cameron based on the talent he'd shown in his script and with the success of Terminator.
Actually they signed him up based entirely on a script draft, they let him delay starting production on Aliens until he'd wrapped Terminator.
Then again, it's bloody rare to find a director who's also a keen and talented writer. Combined with his special effects background, he was a hell of a catch, even as an unproven director. They'd be very lucky to have that opportunity come round again.
He only got the job of writing Aliens because of the Terminator script. He then got a 'best efforts clause' which meant that because they were so happy with the developing Aliens script, he'd get to direct it if Terminator was a success. Nothing was set in stone. Cameron speaks about this in the Illustrated Screenplay, I'm sure.
Quote from: Gash on Jan 15, 2011, 02:46:43 PM
Cameron's a talented writer? Is there any evidence for this?
None that you'll see, I'm sure.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 15, 2011, 12:29:11 PM
I don't blame FOX for this in the slightest.
And they didnt wait 30 years, they made a whole series of movies in between that you know... and they didn't give a shit for Ridley in the mean time..or Giger. They gave the sequel to a noob, that noob just happened to be James Cameron, and they did it again with Alien 3.
They will do it again, and in a Hollywood that is flooded with screaming Teen's that like gay Vampires and Ladyboys, they will make the movie with that in mind. 'Cause that is economically viable. And so is the Alien franchise.
Expect a low-budget Reboot/Re-Imagening/Remake in the near future without Ridley is all i'm saying.
Oh dear.....
I'm not expecting another AVP film ever.
Pretty sure if Ridley is making a Sci-Fi film that even vaguely resembles the tone and ethos of Alien, Fox won't be undermining him by resurrecting b*llocks like AVP.
QuoteRidley told me some of his ideas when we were here in Toronto. He will - there's no question. He has a very clear understanding of where this should go. They kind of stopped dead one of the greatest horror franchises there's ever been, and it had legs to go on. So I'm hoping he'll revive another three, because that would be brilliant. The world certainly wants it, and the fans want it - everybody. It's a landmark. And that first film - you can see it on television and go in three quarters of the way through and you're sucked into it.
Oh, the optimism of Roger Christian. I felt it. Once.
The Alien Anthology Boxset had a foreword from Ridley Scott about the exciting vision he had in store for the prequel as well. It seemed that the foreword was a Official announcement of the pequel (at least to me). Just very angry and disappointed right now. In a way though I've always wanted to see a proper end to the Ripley clone storyline from Resurrection as well as going back to a more serious tone with the franchise. Would still love to see a fifth film set on a overly crowded, claustrophobic future Earth and Aliens overrunning the place and maybe Ripley mutating (or evolving into more of an Alien Queen). And then having a sixth film go to the Alien homeworld and possibly destroying the creatures (with or without Ripley depending on how fast she may mutate or who's side she's on). I like the idea of 2 trilogys. The first being with the original Ripley and the second being with the Ripley clone and her connection to the Aliens and the possible destruction of the Aliens in a final epic film.
Quote from: Gash on Jan 15, 2011, 02:46:43 PM
Cameron's a talented writer? Is there any evidence for this?
Yes, a statement from qualified people who are actually in the field and know what theyre talking about. I was shown what a great writer he is in flm school where we were studying his scripts for T2 and Abyss because they were complex and multilayered, and we could learn different aspects from them. I also know that they show T2 in at least 2 more different film schools in 2 different states. Lets not forget that for
his writing alone he was honored by NATO , numerous times by Saturn Awards , Academy of scifi , Golden Globes, Satellitle Awards and Writers Guild of America. The Terminator has been selected for preservation. He was also praised by the screenwriting guru, Syd Field. If someone doesnt know who that is, then better do a research fast. His writing was also praised by likes of Spielberg, Jackson and Tarantino, not to mention multiple publications including Times magazine. For just few examples of the complexity and talent, have a read here - http://www.dvdvision.fr/jco/T2Complexity.htm (http://www.dvdvision.fr/jco/T2Complexity.htm)
Syd Field be the screenwriting mastermind.
Stalker,
This film didn't KILL the Alien prequel, it is a film set in the same universe taking place before Alien. So, in essence, it is still THE OMG ALIEN PREQUEL. Luckily we might no longer have to worry about CG space jockeys flying around and exploding (which I 100% guarantee we would have gotten) and can look forward to something that is probably more in line with the feel of Blade Runner and the first half of the original Alien.
I'm glad for this. Really, Alien is the BEGINNING. Any contact with the creature previous to that distress signal robs the original of it's importance.
This will be great. It's about time for Scott to get back into this genre and to expand the Alien universe with its themes of corporate greed and grit... awesome.
Scott FTW.
Stop getting your panties in bunches. You guys constantly piss and moan about how nobody good wants the franchise anymore, AVP is crap, etc etc. Finally the FATHER of the series comes in and decides to do something artistic with the material instead of showering you with comic book goofiness and, again, the crying begins.
You guys are masochists. Often I think that this fan base deserves what it got with the AVP movies. You get to see these creatures on screen again (which I think is all some of you guys are really worried about) AND you get to whine about it when big bad Fox forced you to go see a movie in the theater that you knew was going to be trash from the get go.
Such esteem then surprises me. Cameron's stories don't seem at all complex, and If I was being told so at film school I'd be disappointed. I always thought he needed to employ the services of a rather brutal script editor. And the dialogue he writes - wholly awful. Just my opinion.
If he has an idea for Alien 5, I'd find that a lot more depressing than Ridley no longer making a prequel.
Quote from: TheAncientEnemy on Jan 15, 2011, 03:57:02 PM
Stalker,
This film didn't KILL the Alien prequel, it is a film set in the same universe taking place before Alien. So, in essence, it is still THE OMG ALIEN PREQUEL. Luckily we might no longer have to worry about CG space jockeys flying around and exploding (which I 100% guarantee we would have gotten) and can look forward to something that is probably more in line with the feel of Blade Runner and the first half of the original Alien.
I'm glad for this. Really, Alien is the BEGINNING. Any contact with the creature previous to that distress signal robs the original of it's importance.
This will be great. It's about time for Scott to get back into this genre and to expand the Alien universe with its themes of corporate greed and grit... awesome.
Scott FTW.
Stop getting your panties in bunches. You guys constantly piss and moan about how nobody good wants the franchise anymore, AVP is crap, etc etc. Finally the FATHER of the series comes in and decides to do something artistic with the material instead of showering you with comic book goofiness and, again, the crying begins.
Agree wholeheartedly. The latest news is all good.
Quote from: Gash on Jan 15, 2011, 04:00:14 PM
Such esteem then surprises me. Cameron's stories don't seem at all complex, and If I was being told so at film school I'd be disappointed. I always thought he needed to employ the services of a rather brutal script editor. And the dialogue he writes - wholly awful. Just my opinion.
If he has an idea for Alien 5, I'd find that a lot more depressing than Ridley no longer making a prequel.
the dialogue IS his weakness, thats why Hurd and Wisher used to touch up and help with the dialogue. But his scripts ARE complex, and its all there black on white in the link I provided
Moving on before the topic becomes a 'Cameron suxors lol' fest ... Prometheus!
Okay, citing that because Camerons works are discussed in film schools (ergo making him a good writer) and his accolades for his films does not make him a good writer. I went to film school myself, and yes, the script for ALIENS was discussed as was the alien trilogy itself, but not because The script was so-called 'good' it was because it was rare that a sequel could hold its weight up against the first installment of the saga.
James Cameron is good at tricks, and utilizing the visuals to tell an impressive story. ALIENS was almost a replica of the first film in terms of pacing and some major plot points, even up to the female voiced computer count down in the end. What Cameran succeed at doing was upping the tension. Cameron has been awarded because of his technical feats, not his literary ones. Let's get our facts straight.
Oh, yawn. It begins. I am Nostradamus.
Back on topic..
Latest hints suggest that Prometheus was born out of Fox allowing Ridley the freedom to do the script he wants within the realm of the Alien universe.
Surely that what lots of us were hoping for?
Quote from: Gash on Jan 15, 2011, 04:38:27 PM
Back on topic..
Latest hints suggest that Prometheus was born out of Fox allowing Ridley the freedom to do the script he wants within the realm of the Alien universe.
Surely that what lots of us were hoping for?
I still think it'll be as related to Alien as Blade Runner is. To be overly optimistic, it could all be a red herring and we will get a loose Alien prequel. Who knows.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 15, 2011, 11:50:52 AM
I can't understand the people who are actually happy about this news.
I don't think they know what they are in for, in a few years they will announce it again, with a noob director, a teen cast and it's probably going to be a straight up remake, and they will go "Remember when Ridley Scott was attached to this? And Giger? And a tremendous actress?
Mark my words.
Sequel... Prequel... whatever you want, Original remains
forever.
At least I can't stop to watch ALIEN everytime I feel the need to, no matter how much sequel they made. It remained.
And Honestly: it won't bother me if the next Alien movie is a flop-teenage movie since I won't watch it in that case.
I'd rather have a Director comfortable with what he's doing and who can handle a project of his own than a company forcing to do another X time movie no matter sequel or prequel just for one big purpose: $$$$$$.
Personally, I'm happy of this news, I was afraid of this sequel Idea.
I did not like also the way FOX went in troubles with Ridley Scott a couple of times, it reminded me too much what happened on ALIEN³ and I was scared that this 'promising' project turn from cream to sh*t.
I think there's a surprise in this somewhere. Fox can be dumb, but they're not stupid. I think this film will tie itself in with the Alien mythos in a way were not expecting. I'd bet good money well be seeing an actual alien in some form or another. This may be a different story, but it's still gonna be a prequel of sorts. Ridley has some things in store for us methinks.
The title Prometheus is a name taken from greek mythology. Prometheus was a titan who was credited with the creation of mankind, so I think RS is going to be making a very interesting movie.
Don't give up hope. I'm pretty sure someone else will do the prequel or a sequel to A:R one day. I really doubt Fox will call quites on a movie will earn millions of dollers, and that all of the Alien movies where box office hits. If they can still give a damn about the X-Men movies, then maybe they will do another Alien movie one day.
Quote from: rureal38 on Jan 15, 2011, 05:11:51 PM
The title Prometheus is a name taken from greek mythology. Prometheus was a titan who was credited with the creation of mankind, so I think RS is going to be making a very interesting movie.
He didn't create mankind, he saved them from destruction and gave them fire. Prometheus Rising - Aeschylus ;)
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 15, 2011, 05:12:06 PM
Don't give up hope.
I haven't. Todays news is just the latest in a long line of encouraging progressions.
so what happen whit the letter of Ridley inside de Alien Anthology???, "I hope you enjoy what i have in store for you as we return to this dark, mysterious universe filled whith Aliens, Space Jockeys and... something even more dangerous that you havent seen yet"
Consider this ultimate primer for whats to come.
so fast the concept was changed??? for my is a strong an clare reference to the uncoming and now canceled Alien Prequel.
Quote from: TheAncientEnemy on Jan 15, 2011, 03:57:02 PM
Stalker,
This film didn't KILL the Alien prequel, it is a film set in the same universe taking place before Alien. So, in essence, it is still THE OMG ALIEN PREQUEL. Luckily we might no longer have to worry about CG space jockeys flying around and exploding (which I 100% guarantee we would have gotten) and can look forward to something that is probably more in line with the feel of Blade Runner and the first half of the original Alien.
I'm glad for this. Really, Alien is the BEGINNING. Any contact with the creature previous to that distress signal robs the original of it's importance.
This will be great. It's about time for Scott to get back into this genre and to expand the Alien universe with its themes of corporate greed and grit... awesome.
Scott FTW.
Stop getting your panties in bunches. You guys constantly piss and moan about how nobody good wants the franchise anymore, AVP is crap, etc etc. Finally the FATHER of the series comes in and decides to do something artistic with the material instead of showering you with comic book goofiness and, again, the crying begins.
You guys are masochists. Often I think that this fan base deserves what it got with the AVP movies. You get to see these creatures on screen again (which I think is all some of you guys are really worried about) AND you get to whine about it when big bad Fox forced you to go see a movie in the theater that you knew was going to be trash from the get go.
Mancrush! :laugh:
I'm surprised so many people are "outraged" by this :-\
I was never quite on the whole prequel bandwagon to begin with so i can't say that i'm all too displeased. A new film with unique ideas that takes place within the same universe... count me in!!
I'm sure he's said it's a "new universe".
Lol I can see it now, tomorrow the headline will be like 'A:CM is no more' Just to top it all off. Man this f**king sucks
I suppose he did, but he also indicated that elements of Alien will be noticeable to the keen observers which would be all of us here.
Personally though i'm surprised FOX would go for something like this... are they that convinced that a new idea will be more of a draw than an Alien prequel? I figure they must if they're allowing it to happen. Of course i was always skeptical of how many people who weren't "die hards" would be interested in a prequel anyways. Most people i know stopped caring with Alien 3 and the thought of an Alien film w/o Ripley wouldn't be warmly received.
Or maybe he is just f**king with us? Calling film differently to achive wow! effect when we will see alien in this one.
I'm not all that disappointed, actually. Very keen to see where Ridley goes with this.
No alien title in the name = no Alien xeno creature?, no space jockey?, no alien bones structure backgrouds?
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RIDLEY SCOTT'S "PROMETHEUS" COMING MARCH 9, 2012
Twentieth Century Fox announced today that Ridley Scott will direct Prometheus, an original science fiction epic, for worldwide release on March 9, 2012. The initial draft of the script was written by Jon Spaihts (The Darkest Hour) from Scott's idea. Damon Lindelof ("Lost," Star Trek) and Scott have since been working together on the current version which has expanded the story into new directions.
Story details are being closely guarded so as not to spoil surprises for moviegoers, but Scott explained the outlines of the film and its genesis as follows: "While 'Alien' was indeed the jumping off point for this project, out of the creative process evolved a new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place. The keen fan will recognize strands of 'Alien's' DNA, so to speak, but the ideas tackled in this film are unique, large and provocative. I couldn't be more pleased to have found the singular tale I'd been searching for, and finally return to this genre that's so close to my heart."
"In a world flooded with prequels, sequels and reboots," said Lindelof. "I was incredibly struck by just how original Ridley's vision was for this movie. It's daring, visceral and hopefully, the last thing anyone expects. When I sat in a movie theater as a kid, feet raised off the floor for fear that something might grab my ankles, I never dreamed in my wildest imagination I would one day get to collaborate with the man responsible for it. Working alongside him has been nothing short of a dream come true."
Of the five major roles to be cast, Noomi Rapace is the first actor signed to star in the film. The young Swedish actress landed the role of scientist Elizabeth Shaw after Scott saw her portrayal of fictional Lisbeth Salander in the film The Girl With a Dragon Tattoo, for which she was lauded by Time magazine as a 2010 Performance of the Year. Rapace starred in all three entries of the breakout global franchise based on Stieg Larsson's Millennium trilogy of books (The Girl Who Played with Fire and The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest are the other two entries), which have collectively grossed more than $212 million worldwide.
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Quote from: ALEX82 on Jan 15, 2011, 06:18:24 PM
No alien title in the name = no Alien xeno creature?, no space jockey?, no alien bones structure backgrouds?
Probably no to the first two, but I wouldn't be surprised if the film is visually similar.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 05:56:03 PM
I'm sure he's said it's a "new universe".
And in this day and age of film making, new universe usually means we end up with something that's completely stupid.
I had a dream I saw this film. The one "replacing" the Alien prequel.
About halfway through an Alien, Giger's design, jumped in the screen and started dancing, while the words "THANKS FOR SITTING THROUGH THIS, NOW YOU CAN GET WHAT YOU REALLY WANT"
and the film started over.
As the Alien Prequel.
Then everyone left but me and some teenager.
I asked him why he stayed.
He said "I love Alien vs Predator, I want to see more battles between them!'
Then I woke up.
Quote from: RazorSlash on Jan 15, 2011, 06:25:41 PM
He said "I love Alien vs Predator, I want to see more battles between them!'
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Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 05:56:03 PM
I'm sure he's said it's a "new universe".
And in this day and age of film making, new universe usually means we end up with something that's completely stupid.
Not necessarily. Say what you like about Avatars plot, the world was amazing.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 06:35:08 PM
Quote from: RazorSlash on Jan 15, 2011, 06:25:41 PM
He said "I love Alien vs Predator, I want to see more battles between them!'
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That is a pretty accurate depiction of my reaction to this man, right before I woke up and tried to drag him out of my dreams like Freddy-f**king-Krueger so I could beat him to a pulp.
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Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 05:56:03 PM
I'm sure he's said it's a "new universe".
And in this day and age of film making, new universe usually means we end up with something that's completely stupid.
Not necessarily. Say what you like about Avatars plot, the world was amazing.
And the feel of Avatar was more or less fitting with A/P universe.
dont know what to think of this
While it will probably turn out to be good, and while under any other circumstances I'd just be glad to see Ridley come back to sci-fi, I can't get excited about this movie anymore. We know that truly great science fiction can still be put together for the screen, but I don't want to see Scott's District 9 or Scott's Moon. I was just really looking forward to a third Alien movie I could watch on a regular basis, if all went well.
Eh. Guess now I need to find something else to put my misguided hopes and dreams into.
...i feel kinda guilty of much i'm enjoying this shitstorm.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 15, 2011, 07:04:39 PM
While it will probably turn out to be good, and while under any other circumstances I'd just be glad to see Ridley come back to sci-fi, I can't get excited about this movie anymore. We know that truly great science fiction can still be put together for the screen, but I don't want to see Scott's District 9 or Scott's Moon. I was just really looking forward to a third Alien movie I could watch on a regular basis, if all went well.
Eh. Guess now I need to find something else to put my misguided hopes and dreams into.
I getcha. Whether Scott wants it to or not, Prometheus will now forever be known as the former Alien prequel. If it turns out crap, then phew, but if it turns out great, then it'll be bittersweet.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 15, 2011, 07:10:01 PM
...i feel kinda guilty of much i'm enjoying this shitstorm.
I want to enjoy it, but honestly, I'm just waiting for this same bad news to hit the A:CM game.
This is coming out a few days after my birthday. Be a good thing to see, I think.
March 9th is my birthday. So, 'happy birthday, I guess, we were going to get you an Alien Prequel but we didn't think you'd want one...'
Why does everyone seem to think this is going to affect A: CM? The two projects aren't related.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2011, 08:08:28 PM
Why does everyone seem to think this is going to affect A: CM? The two projects aren't related.
I read an article indicating that CM's delay was due to the prequel coming, it's only logical to have a movie in cinemas and a video game, just like with Predators and the new AvP Game.
Now that they panned the prequel, i wouldnt be surprised if they cancel the game too. It was cancelled and/or delayed two times already, so...
Oh, HELL NO!! This better be a legitimate Alien series prequel (a GOOD one)... or else...
If the script is bad, it needs to be re-written. Keep it an Alien film. For crying out loud, they can't throw us fans a frick'n bone?
why? ripley why? :( prequel could have been a great movie but no you had to spoil it didnt you! :( anyway you best make this movie epic or i am not going to be happy with you !
IF ALL THESE ARE TRUE....
1...Im really angry about it...he was talking about it ''how amazing it will be!!! engineers of space!!!...gods of crap..bla bla bla''
2...even if this new movie is better than Blade Runner,as others said it will always be remembered as the movie that killed the new alien movie
3...what i think is that Ridley understood that based to the script and his ideas couldn't make a really good alien movie as he promised,couldn't deliver....and as a smart person he is,he is acting like he suddenly had an epiphany for the new sci fi movie.
IMO he will take some ideas from the prequel and add them to the new movie script/Movie...and i dont care how muchl the atmosphere and directing style will be close to an alien movie...THIS WILL NOT BE AN ALIEN MOVIE!! >:(
Smart guy he is ;D couldn't deliver the alien movie he was saying he would create ''as good as Cameron's alien2'' and so he trowed his gun down and left.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 15, 2011, 08:08:28 PM
Why does everyone seem to think this is going to affect A: CM? The two projects aren't related.
I don't.
QuoteSmart guy he is ;D couldn't deliver the alien movie he was saying he would create ''as good as Cameron's alien2'' and so he trowed his gun down and left.
That makes him a smart man...and an incredible coward.
Especially after comments like "Cameron set the stone with Aliens, i'm not going to let that sit on me!"
It's only the movie that killed the Alien prequel to the diehards like us... no one else will care. At most they'll simply find it interesting that this movie was spawned from a potential Alien movie. This wouldn't be the first time a prequel/sequel/remake has transformed into something new/different.
He's tainted my Anthology! I just read his introduction in the pamphlet that came with it, and actually said "YEAH f**kING RIGHT!" out loud.
Now my girlfriend thinks I'm a weirdo.
If it makes you feel any better, she always thought you were a weirdo. She told me.
;D
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 15, 2011, 08:30:08 PM
QuoteSmart guy he is ;D couldn't deliver the alien movie he was saying he would create ''as good as Cameron's alien2'' and so he trowed his gun down and left.
That makes him a smart man...and an incredible coward.
Especially after comments like "Cameron set the stone with Aliens, i'm not going to let that sit on me!"
it was meant as irony....that's what i mean...you tell to all you gonna make a movie same or even better than alien 2 and suddenly you quit?
that means that he was bullshiting us back then...he had nothing good in his hands and just talked empty words.
That letter in the Anthology went from a totem of hope and anticipation to a relic of broken promises and disappointment in no time flat.
I think I'll frame it.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 15, 2011, 08:39:13 PM
If it makes you feel any better, she always thought you were a weirdo. She told me.
;D
SO
YOU'RE 'KEVIN'!!
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 15, 2011, 08:42:08 PM
That letter in the Anthology went from a totem of hope and anticipation to a relic of broken promises and disappointment in no time flat.
I think I'll frame it.
He must've had an inkling of whether or not he was making Prometheus or the Alien prequel by that point ... long hyped films don't turn in other films over night. Grr, I feel like I was cast in a legendary sci-fi film only to be cut out at the last minute due to time and money issues.
Ironically if Carl Rinsch had remained onboard as director we would like of had an Alien Prequel by now.
So in the end of the day, FOX actually is the one to blame :D
Nothing new there then :laugh:
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 08:46:40 PM
He must've had an inkling of whether or not he was making Prometheus or the Alien prequel by that point ... long hyped films don't turn in other films over night. Grr, I feel like I was cast in a legendary sci-fi film only to be cut out at the last minute due to time and money issues.
I know just how you feel.
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Quote from: Daz_85 on Jan 15, 2011, 08:46:57 PM
Ironically if Carl Rinsch had remained onboard as director we would like of had an Alien Prequel by now.
Actually, if Lindelof of LOST hadn't come onboard, we'd likely have an Alien movie [I don't buy Harvest, by the way. Smells like a crock].
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 15, 2011, 08:50:10 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 15, 2011, 08:46:40 PM
He must've had an inkling of whether or not he was making Prometheus or the Alien prequel by that point ... long hyped films don't turn in other films over night. Grr, I feel like I was cast in a legendary sci-fi film only to be cut out at the last minute due to time and money issues.
I know just how you feel.
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So close. So damn close.
What I don't get is why all these production designers, artists etc have written on Twitter very recently that they are joining the "Alien Prequel", and then Giger coming onboard only last month... there was nothing to suggest it was going to be anything other than that. Even the Vulture website was right about the lead character name in their news posts.
I feel pretty cheated.
I really do think it was a last minute decision.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 15, 2011, 08:57:06 PM
I really do think it was a last minute decision.
I love Ridley and many of his movies...and tbh i think alien 1 is 0.0001% better than alien 2
BUTAs i said before he realized he couldn't deliver....so left as a coward.
Think of it...its the only man that could say: ''people this is canceled''.
Fox would never tell him to cancel the project if he still wanted to do it.
They told him to cut the budget and the man reacted...we would know if it was Fox's decision or someone else's than Ridley's.
I bet he told Fox he has a ''
better idea '' for a movie based on the alien prequel that will bring more money too...a scifi that wouldn't be just for alien fans....and Fox who cares for $$$ only agreed.
That's why,while all were ready 4 this movie production designers, artists etc now look like---> :O
I REALLY CANT THINK OF ANOTHER EXPLANATION ???
I'll say it again....were being deliberately led off course....I think this film is still a prequel in a hidden forn.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 15, 2011, 09:54:28 PM
I'll say it again....were being deliberately led off course....I think this film is still a prequel in a hidden forn.
::)
I propose we riot at the premiere.
Quote from: shakermakerman on Jan 15, 2011, 09:58:52 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 15, 2011, 09:54:28 PM
I'll say it again....were being deliberately led off course....I think this film is still a prequel in a hidden forn.
::)
So true.
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I think I'm a little above 0 at this point.
Didn't read through the posts so some others probably have the same response and theory:
I was dissapointed at first but after thinking about it more, it might be for the best.
Here's what I read somewhere. The Prometheus myth, as outlined in Metamorphoses, describes Prometheus creating a living being from clay in the image of the gods. From that, I think Ridley Scott was working on the Space Jockey mythos, maybe something to do with engineering living monsters. Maybe the Space Jockeys are the monsters. I haven't read any of the Alien comics so I don't know how they interpreted them, but I'm sure Scott hasn't either. He probably has his own ideas on their origins which clash with the comics, and fans from both sides would point out inconsistencies, etc. So the safest thing would be to use a lot of the main underlying themes, but not connect it to the Alien universe. In addition to that, he now has free reign and doesn't have to retcon it with all of the stuff that's already been established.
I'm quite relieved. Because really, the only thing this ever had going for me was the thought of the Alien doing its thing being filmed by someone competent. Never cared much for any back-stories to the creature, too much of a risk. Now I don't have to worry about silly scripts in order to (hopefully) enjoy eerie visions of space Giger-crafted landscapes, and instead can wholeheartedly anticipate it. It's a trade-off, but not of the worst kind.
Wow, I'm really disappointed. I was really looking forward to a new Alien movie :( Oh well atleast we still have A:CM to look forward to
if anyone thinks this is a ''hidden'' alien movie or something like that....im sorry guys i want an original movie not something that i will watch and i will try to relate it with the alien universe.
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Mr. Scott...GIVE ME THE ORIGINAL STUFF!!!!
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AVP did not ruin the Alien/Predator series! That film introduced Alien and Predator to my generation, one which has grown up thinking that the characters are cool; I can remember lunchroom discussions about how scary it was!
I am a bit disappointed by the news, but I'll save judgment until we hear more about the film. One thing that bothers me, though: were they worried that it was "too original" and unlike an Alien film?
If that attitude is true, then that says everything about the state of series creativity today.
Of course creating new worlds and stories is good, but why can't making them part of existing universes happen anymore? Does this mean that expanding and fulfilling the potential or just telling stories of/in already-established franchises is somehow bad? Must every sequel that comes along be an endless repeat of what we've seen before? (I'm looking at you, Predators....)
But personally, if not making it an Alien Prequel will help Prometheus be a better film and prequel to Alien, then I'm for it.
Assuming it's connected at all....
And Elizabeth Shaw...wow...look, the similarities between The Ark in Space and Alien are one thing, but this may be the most blatant homage I've ever seen.
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Quote from: G8RSG1 on Jan 15, 2011, 11:40:52 PM
Wow, I'm really disappointed. I was really looking forward to a new Alien movie :( Oh well atleast we still have A:CM to look forward to
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 15, 2011, 11:58:05 PM
if anyone thinks this is a ''hidden'' alien movie or something like that....im sorry guys i want an original movie not something that i will watch and i will try to relate it with the alien universe.
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Mr. Scott...GIVE ME THE ORIGINAL STUFF!!!!
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Define an "Alien movie." Go ahead, just try. 8)
I want an original, thought-provoking movie that can be judged on its own merits and just happens to be related to the Alien universe.
how can you talk about avp introducing the characters to your generation and then reference a tv show that hasn't been broadcast for nearly 40 years?
is giger still on board even though it's not an alien movie?
I really hope so. But if his missus said he was just over a week ago, then it seems likely.
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Jan 16, 2011, 12:07:57 AM
how can you talk about avp introducing the characters to your generation and then reference a tv show that hasn't been broadcast for nearly 40 years?
Um...because I happen to appreciate the finer* things in life and a friend introduced me to the show? And even if they hadn't, then there is the new Doctor Who show...perhaps I could have become interested in the originals and watched some of them?
If
Prometheus turns out not to be connected in any way to the Alien movies but has H.R. Giger on board, then I actually might not be so upset. (Then again, who am I kidding...)
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good. my point is people who are interested will always end up seeking things out, especially in this age where everything is available. people will always end up listening to revolver, we don't need some dubstep nonce putting a donk on eleanor rigby.
Well this was quite unexpected. While I welcome any "original" ideas coming Hollywood's way it is more than a little dissapointing that there will not be a new installment to the Alien franchise. Yet the vocal disappointment in this move may make James Cameron or someone else try to take Ridley's place on the concept. It's still too early to tell what all this means and frankly I am now extremely curious what "Prometheus" is all about since is supposedly based on ideas pitched for the Alien prequel.
P.S. While Ridely Scott did say the film would have strands 'of the Alien's DNA' he is simply be metaphorical about what influenced Prometheus's core idea. I doubt it will take place in the same universe as Alien. If it is a stand alone film it shouldn't be!
I'm laughing pretty hard about this.
Prometheus.....will be a very good movie. Or maybe not. Maybe Giger will be involved. Maybe it takes place in the Alien universe. But why should i care anymore? No Alien, no new Alien movie.
And now it seems it's even too late to make a good sequel to A:R. Would FOX even give green light?
This franchise feels so dead right now. :-\
This news are like a f**king joke. Unbelievable.
This news comes to me as somewhat of a relief, sure there's no new alien film coming out, but with what I kept hearing about it (PG-13 rating, Natalie Portman as a marine) this all sounds like good news. Of course considering all the nonsense Scott went through with Fox I'm not surprised he decided to say: "F**k it I'm making my own original film!" (not that I'm saying that's what happened I'm just saying it makes sense).
As to whether or not this Prometheus will be worthy of big screen viewing, it's all up in the air now. We can only hope it will end up being awesome.
I'm so heart broken! I used to admire and respect Ridley Scott, but now I think he's full of shit! The idea of him making an original Sci-Fi is awesome, but how f**king dare he tempt us with a prequel and not deliver! Well done Mr. Scott, you've just lost a life long fan. Damn, I'm so angry! I guess the Alien series is actually dead, when it had the potential to be reborn. Good luck with your new film Mr. Scott, I will never pay to watch, you cock teasing wanker.
Don't get me wrong, but you don't get the fanboys hyped and then f**k them in the arse; that's just plain mean! It's like getting dumped by the woman I love all over again!
......Wow....
Just... Wow...
-Rakai'Thwei
so many delicious tears.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jan 16, 2011, 02:26:38 AM
I'm so heart broken! I used to admire and respect Ridley Scott, but now I think he's full of shit! The idea of him making an original Sci-Fi is awesome, but how f**king dare he tempt us with a prequel and not deliver!
The excitement of a new ridley Sci-Fi film is killed by the disappointed that the Alien prequel has been canceled. If it were not for the cancellation and misdirection from Fox, a lot of us would actually be happy about this. I guess a great number of us need some time to heal, myself included.
Agreed, I'd be ecstatic about this news were it not for the past 18 months of rumours and then the big confirmation: Scott returning to Alien! Then more months of rumours, then a whole slew of artists and technicians tweeting about the coveted 'Alien Prequel' and then -finally!- official word: "it aint' Alien no more. Sorry luv."
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Jan 16, 2011, 02:40:36 AM
The excitement of a new ridley Sci-Fi film is killed by the disappointed that the Alien prequel has been canceled. If it were not for the cancellation and misdirection from Fox, a lot of us would actually be happy about this. I guess a great number of us need some time to heal, myself included.
I couldn't agree more. Under any other circumstances, a new Ridley Scott Sci-Fi film would be cause for celebration, but I fear that the final product will end up being the film that could've been! Ultimetlely, I feel it was wrong of Ridley to suggest that he intended to direct a prequel (afterall, the Blu-Ray note is now rather redundant, no)?
Not particularly surprised or disappointed. People are all complaining about the Alien franchise being dead. I wish it died a long time ago. It's called beating a dead horse. It's an old franchise. 30 years is way too long for something to be running. The result of new movies in this universe so far has been pathetic, why can't people leave a good thing alone?
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jan 16, 2011, 02:26:38 AM
I'm so heart broken! I used to admire and respect Ridley Scott, but now I think he's full of shit! The idea of him making an original Sci-Fi is awesome, but how f**king dare he tempt us with a prequel and not deliver! Well done Mr. Scott, you've just lost a life long fan. Damn, I'm so angry! I guess the Alien series is actually dead, when it had the potential to be reborn. Good luck with your new film Mr. Scott, I will never pay to watch, you cock teasing wanker.
Don't get me wrong, but you don't get the fanboys hyped and then f**k them in the arse; that's just plain mean! It's like getting dumped by the woman I love all over again!
And he shouldn't take that as wrong?
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 16, 2011, 04:03:39 AM
I am too glad to see you back.
Well.... I can't speak for everybody but... I am actually smiling about this right now. I don't care if people get pissed off at me for smiling for this but you know what, I'm actually with the people that say there was no need for a prequel. You simply can't touch a classic like Alien. And given that there is a span of five movies, seven if you count the AvP films (which I know A LOT of people here don't), then enough is enough.
Alien is done. They don't need to do it anymore.
No more. No more. No more.
-Rakai'Thwei
I can support that with only 80%. The other 20 is here and there.
I honestly didn't think I was going to be coming back here since the PREDATORS movie was done and over with...
But then someone over at Youtube told me that we weren't getting a prequel, so I came back here to check and apparently it seems true.
I actually look forward to Prometheus. So long as it's not connected to the Alien, Predator or AVP Universes. And I may like all three franchises but I certainly don't like everything under the sun that's A/P/AvP.
-Rakai'Thwei
I missed you man. Awesome arguments always tend to happen, and I love being part of them.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 16, 2011, 04:26:31 AM
I missed you man. Awesome arguments always tend to happen, and I love being part of them.
I missed you too dude.
Heh heh heh!
-Rakai'Thwei
Really disappointed. Was really looking forward to the whole Mala'kak Space Jockey theme. Who knows, maybe things will be changed and Prometheus will end up as Alien 5 (hopefully). Will it be set in the same universe? Who knows. The cancellation is a real disappointment!
Very dissapointed to say the least. After reading that rubbish, anyone else get the feeling this movie is just heading towards one massive rip-off...or should I say spin-off!! And we all know what usually happens with those. R.I.P. Alien :(
Quote from: Peakius Baragonius on Jan 16, 2011, 12:03:14 AM
AVP did not ruin the Alien/Predator series! That film introduced Alien and Predator to my generation, one which has grown up thinking that the characters are cool; I can remember lunchroom discussions about how scary it was!
I am a bit disappointed by the news, but I'll save judgment until we hear more about the film. One thing that bothers me, though: were they worried that it was "too original" and unlike an Alien film?
If that attitude is true, then that says everything about the state of series creativity today.
Of course creating new worlds and stories is good, but why can't making them part of existing universes happen anymore? Does this mean that expanding and fulfilling the potential or just telling stories of/in already-established franchises is somehow bad? Must every sequel that comes along be an endless repeat of what we've seen before? (I'm looking at you, Predators....)
But personally, if not making it an Alien Prequel will help Prometheus be a better film and prequel to Alien, then I'm for it.
Assuming it's connected at all....
And Elizabeth Shaw...wow...look, the similarities between The Ark in Space and Alien are one thing, but this may be the most blatant homage I've ever seen.
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Quote from: G8RSG1 on Jan 15, 2011, 11:40:52 PM
Wow, I'm really disappointed. I was really looking forward to a new Alien movie :( Oh well atleast we still have A:CM to look forward to
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 15, 2011, 11:58:05 PM
if anyone thinks this is a ''hidden'' alien movie or something like that....im sorry guys i want an original movie not something that i will watch and i will try to relate it with the alien universe.
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Mr. Scott...GIVE ME THE ORIGINAL STUFF!!!!
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Define an "Alien movie." Go ahead, just try. 8)
I want an original, thought-provoking movie that can be judged on its own merits and just happens to be related to the Alien universe.
It might be the most amazing movie ever...but it wont be a movie of the alien franchise.Is it so hard people to understand?
It wont be alien 5,it wont be a sequel or a prequel,thats what new ''alien movie means''
I hope its good because i love scifi movies but its not an alien franchise movie no matter how the story,the atmosphere and the directing style is close to the original alien movies...and as an alien fan i wish we had the new alien movie instead if that Prometheus thing.
When the critics watch it on an early screening they wont write: ''a review of the upcoming alien movie'',they will write as a title:''Ridley's new scifi movie''......but i guess from nothing,at least its good to have some similarities to the alien franchise...but im sure we all want a ''real'' alien movie.
Also i guess you are young but im sure 99% of the people here agree (especially the older ones) that the best way to be introduced to both franchises is alien 1-2 and the Arnold Predator.
You might like avp and we are happy to get anything from those 2 franchises but im sorry they are really garbage compared to the movies i wrote above.
I have mixed feelings about this... a cool movie from him would be nice, but no matter what, I'd be damn interested in the alien prequel, and all the things that happened before Alien. And W-Y's past... I wouldn't say I am disappointed, I am waiting for the new movie. If they won't make the prequel in my life, I'll be disappointed... and come back...!
Quote from: St_Eddie on Jan 16, 2011, 02:26:38 AM
I'm so heart broken! I used to admire and respect Ridley Scott, but now I think he's full of shit! The idea of him making an original Sci-Fi is awesome, but how f**king dare he tempt us with a prequel and not deliver! Well done Mr. Scott, you've just lost a life long fan. Damn, I'm so angry! I guess the Alien series is actually dead, when it had the potential to be reborn. Good luck with your new film Mr. Scott, I will never pay to watch, you cock teasing wanker.
Don't get me wrong, but you don't get the fanboys hyped and then f**k them in the arse; that's just plain mean! It's like getting dumped by the woman I love all over again!
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Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 16, 2011, 04:11:33 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 16, 2011, 04:03:39 AM
I am too glad to see you back.
Well.... I can't speak for everybody but... I am actually smiling about this right now. I don't care if people get pissed off at me for smiling for this but you know what, I'm actually with the people that say there was no need for a prequel. You simply can't touch a classic like Alien. And given that there is a span of five movies, seven if you count the AvP films (which I know A LOT of people here don't), then enough is enough.
Alien is done. They don't need to do it anymore.
No more. No more. No more.
-Rakai'Thwei
Clap.....Clap......Clap
It's a pity i won't never see your reactions here if PREDATORS had met the same fate as the Alien Prequel. Then an Alien Fan comes along and...
QuoteWell.... I can't speak for everybody but... I am actually smiling about this right now. I don't care if people get pissed off at me for smiling for this but you know what, I'm actually with the people that say there was no need for a prequel sequel/reboot. You simply can't touch a classic like Alien Predator. And given that there is a span of five two movies, seven four if you count the AvP films (which I know A LOT of people here don't), then enough is enough.
Alien Predator is done. They don't need to do it anymore.
No more. No more. No more.
The least you need now are malicious Predator fans here on this thread. ::)
QuoteCursed by FOX--->Doomed by Jeunet and Whedon--->Betrayed by Scott--->Game Over
I'm consciously and unconsciously being an immature child, but that last part sums it up perfectly for me. 1-2 years of excited anticipation, preparing for the third; and now I've learnt a valuable lesson about not taking things for granted, even strong evidence. Or something.
Ridley Scott's been indecisive about 'Alien 2' for decades, we arrive at the peak of the mountain, and now we gotta go down into the abyss... Grrrrrrr!
I'm not that disappointed, really.
I guess the situation went something like this: The story of the Alien prequel had certain elements that Scott found interesting and wanted to delevop further, but the fact that it still had to be an Alien film (monster kills people and so on) kept him from doing that. The solution: ditch the Alien context and do what's more interesting. I'd say it's actually a pretty bold move.
Geez guys. Scott is a "coward" for ALLEGEDLY changing the prequel because he realized he couldn't deliver based on his vision vs. his budget? Uhm... do you remember the last couple times we had low budget Alien-related flicks and the directors weren't smart or classy enough to realize that they couldn't make anything good and they went ahead and did it anyway? I sure do. You can buy them both in a box set. I'm sure most of you own them even though you "hate" them.
First off, none of us know what the prequel was ever going to be. So there's that right off the bat. Maybe this is what it was pretty much always going to be like. I remember from the get-go Scott was saying that, hey, there might not even be ALIENS as we know them in this movie! Maybe after that was confirmed he decided that calling it "Alien" anything was misleading.
Secondly, no one knows for sure why the course was changed (if it was). You guys have turned Ridley's return to the captain's chair into some kind of schoolyard trash-talk fest between Cameron and Scott that, frankly, doesn't exist. It's like your writing director vs. director fan fiction and I know you're loving it.
I have to admit, it's pretty fascinating to watch some of you guys out there sitting behind your computer getting hard on Ridley's new Alien movie and then calling him a coward and disparaging him from the safety of your chairs because he has the balls to do something new. There's nothing wrong at all with having an artistic critique, but to literally call a guy like Ridley names based on nothing other than the fact that you're bitter you won't be getting what you claim to really not want comes off as petty and transparent. Come on guys! We might actually be getting something artistic!
QuoteI'm not that disappointed, really.
I guess the situation went something like this: The story of the Alien prequel had certain elements that Scott found interesting and wanted to delevop further, but the fact that it still had to be an Alien film (monster kills people and so on) kept him from doing that. The solution: ditch the Alien context and do what's more interesting. I'd say it's actually a pretty bold move.
I've no ish with that. Original films by all means. I'm just deeply disappointed it was publicly announced by everyone in the know as an Alien Prequel for two years, and it seems - quite suddnly for us - that that might not be the case.
I appreciate not everyone wanted another Alien film, but I did. I'm just hoping it's a unique film with elements of Alien - e.g., space-travel, the Company, maybe a Space Jockey or two...
The problem is not Ridley change his mind...
The real problem is what he said thousands of times..."I´ll do a Alien Prequel...it´s about Space Jockey,Space Jockey,Jockey,Alien Prequel,Jockey...bla,bla,bla..." >:(
Maybe it is about Spece Jockey. But not neceserily alien.
Quote from: Master on Jan 16, 2011, 03:43:14 PM
Maybe it is about Spece Jockey. But not neceserily alien.
That would still place it within the Alien universe.
Maybe it is. We won`t know it until the film is out.
Quote from: TheAncientEnemy on Jan 16, 2011, 03:21:49 PM
Geez guys. Scott is a "coward" for ALLEGEDLY changing the prequel because he realized he couldn't deliver based on his vision vs. his budget? Uhm... do you remember the last couple times we had low budget Alien-related flicks and the directors weren't smart or classy enough to realize that they couldn't make anything good and they went ahead and did it anyway? I sure do. You can buy them both in a box set. I'm sure most of you own them even though you "hate" them.
First off, none of us know what the prequel was ever going to be. So there's that right off the bat. Maybe this is what it was pretty much always going to be like. I remember from the get-go Scott was saying that, hey, there might not even be ALIENS as we know them in this movie! Maybe after that was confirmed he decided that calling it "Alien" anything was misleading.
Secondly, no one knows for sure why the course was changed (if it was). You guys have turned Ridley's return to the captain's chair into some kind of schoolyard trash-talk fest between Cameron and Scott that, frankly, doesn't exist. It's like your writing director vs. director fan fiction and I know you're loving it.
I have to admit, it's pretty fascinating to watch some of you guys out there sitting behind your computer getting hard on Ridley's new Alien movie and then calling him a coward and disparaging him from the safety of your chairs because he has the balls to do something new. There's nothing wrong at all with having an artistic critique, but to literally call a guy like Ridley names based on nothing other than the fact that you're bitter you won't be getting what you claim to really not want comes off as petty and transparent. Come on guys! We might actually be getting something artistic!
Completely agree. At this stage who's to say whether Prometheus simply cannot be billed as an Alien sequel because Ridley has found a more interesting story to tell than another conflict with what some people insist on calling a xenomorph. Perhaps Fox consider it false advertising to refer to it blatantly as an alien Prequel based on the story elements. If expectations are of an alien creature or creatures as seen before but the story is actually far more mature and deals with themes that only hint at Alien then it would be risky to create that expectation and advertise it as such. But there is little is this new information that actually kills the possibility of the story leading into ALIEN, even if it's only hinted at in the final reel. I find that far more interesting. And in fact there are strong hints that Fox are so keen on Ridley being on board that they have given him far greater power over what he wants to do, which might arguably mean letting him take Alien into unfamiliar territory that means it has to be regarded as a story strand of it's own - connected to Alien but not to it's sequels.
It was doubtful that the alien would have appeared at all given Ridley's views on it's over exposure, it just didn't inspire him to trot out his own take on what other directors have done with his baby. So he's taken it somewhere new, maybe so new there is no connection, but that is a far better option than a poorly conceived prequel.
Ok, for sure it's not going to be an Aliens vs Marines shoot 'em up, and if that's what anyone's hoping for better to get over it now.
Good luck to Ridley. Whether this film is a stand alone story, or more connected than it's being billed, I'm looking forward to it either way.
Quote from: TheAncientEnemy on Jan 16, 2011, 03:21:49 PM
I have to admit, it's pretty fascinating to watch some of you guys out there sitting behind your computer getting hard on Ridley's new Alien movie and then calling him a coward and disparaging him from the safety of your chairs because he has the balls to do something new. There's nothing wrong at all with having an artistic critique, but to literally call a guy like Ridley names based on nothing other than the fact that you're bitter you won't be getting what you claim to really not want comes off as petty and transparent. Come on guys! We might actually be getting something artistic!
Dude...he is a coward....and do you know why?:
1)''It's a brand new box of tricks'' ....
2)''We know what the road map is''...
3)''We're hoping to have it in theaters in late 2011, or maybe the best date in 2012''.....
4)''Yeah, he's still around (H.R. Giger,) Once I get more serious and get going, and the big wheels start turning, we'll certainly talk. And maybe we'll come up with something completely different. ''
5)"The film will be really tough, really nasty,"
6)"It's the dark side of the moon. We are talking about gods and engineers. Engineers of space''
If he hadn't said all these...none would call him anything...but as it seems instead of putting his ass down and work more to the script and the movie so he creates something equal or better than Cameron's (as he said),he just trowed his guns down,TOOK some ideas from the prequel,added them on the new movie and that's it! :)
Also the fact he wont make the prequel means he was shiting us when he was telling all these...it means he wasnt ready 4 anything and just spoke out of his ass......damn such a disappointment.
If he wasnt certain 100% he would pull it off he shouldnt have said anything because now he looks like an ass.
Also im 300% sure he is the one who changed his mind...if he still wanted to do it and Fox tried to cancel it...there would be WWIII.
***btw i prefer Ridley's alien than Cameron's,i don't try to attack Ridley so to support Cameron...i just say what i see and think.
I find this hilarious. :laugh:
Such anger.
Quote from: stroggificated on Jan 16, 2011, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 16, 2011, 04:11:33 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 16, 2011, 04:03:39 AM
I am too glad to see you back.
Well.... I can't speak for everybody but... I am actually smiling about this right now. I don't care if people get pissed off at me for smiling for this but you know what, I'm actually with the people that say there was no need for a prequel. You simply can't touch a classic like Alien. And given that there is a span of five movies, seven if you count the AvP films (which I know A LOT of people here don't), then enough is enough.
Alien is done. They don't need to do it anymore.
No more. No more. No more.
-Rakai'Thwei
Clap.....Clap......Clap
It's a pity i won't never see your reactions here if PREDATORS had met the same fate as the Alien Prequel. Then an Alien Fan comes along and...
QuoteWell.... I can't speak for everybody but... I am actually smiling about this right now. I don't care if people get pissed off at me for smiling for this but you know what, I'm actually with the people that say there was no need for a prequel sequel/reboot. You simply can't touch a classic like Alien Predator. And given that there is a span of five two movies, seven four if you count the AvP films (which I know A LOT of people here don't), then enough is enough.
Alien Predator is done. They don't need to do it anymore.
No more. No more. No more.
The least you need now are malicious Predator fans here on this thread. ::)
This post is so hilarious. Go read up on more posts from Raka.
The title would still suggest it's about Gods and engineers. Wait and see. You might find it still has a lot of crossovers, it'll certainly feel more like ALIEN than A:R, AVP etc did, so don't worry. Just wave bye bye to the 'xenomorph' and appreciate the new horror.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 16, 2011, 04:53:30 PM
I find this hilarious. :laugh:
Such anger.
If you refer to me its no anger,i just want to clarify who's failure it is. 8)
Although iam a bit disappointing because i saw alien 3 and 4 on the cinema and i waited for part 5 a loooooooooooong time.
and when i heard Ridley is on board i was so happy,i still cant believe he behaved like this.
I mean its like you are ready to have sex...you are naked,you had foreplay,you put the condom on,you move closer...and suddenly your gf says: baaahhh i changed my mind :S :o
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 16, 2011, 04:57:38 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 16, 2011, 04:53:30 PM
I find this hilarious. :laugh:
Such anger.
If you refer to me its no anger,i just want to clarify who's failure it is. 8)
Although iam a bit disappointing because i saw alien 3 and 4 on the cinema and i waited for part 5 a loooooooooooong time.
and when i heard Ridley is on board i was so happy,i still cant believe he behaved like this.
I mean its like you are ready to have sex...you are naked,you had foreplay,you put the condom on,you move closer...and suddenly your gf says: baaahhh i changed my mind :S :o
What an apt metaphor for this series.
Well said Gash...I believe this film will certainly connect itself with Alien, but not blatantly.
In related news, Christmas is cancelled and the Easter Bunny is dead.
I understand that this is the safe route for both Fox and Scott, and it's smart from a business standpoint. I don't believe that there's going to be any continuity connection to the Alien universe, as I've seen other sites say - I mean, there's a quote right there that says that Ridley has created a new UNIVERSE, so yeah.
It'll be interesting to see, and it's probably the smart move, but damn - it's still heartbreaking. Especially after Predators was such an epic letdown for me, I was really hoping Scott was going to pull out something great in the A/P/AVP realm.
Such is life.
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 16, 2011, 05:54:00 PM
In related news, Christmas is cancelled and the Easter Bunny is dead.
I understand that this is the safe route for both Fox and Scott, and it's smart from a business standpoint. I don't believe that there's going to be any continuity connection to the Alien universe, as I've seen other sites say - I mean, there's a quote right there that says that Ridley has created a new UNIVERSE, so yeah.
It'll be interesting to see, and it's probably the smart move, but damn - it's still heartbreaking. Especially after Predators was such an epic letdown for me, I was really hoping Scott was going to pull out something great in the A/P/AVP realm.
Such is life.
A new universe...that happens to have a portal to the Alien one?
I know...I'm desperate here... :-\
EDIT: Maybe NECA will make some figures of the "Proto-Not-Aliens"?
Hmm...you know what, I think I smell
AVPVP: Alien vs. Predator vs. Prometheus coming on. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbYx6hevoQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbYx6hevoQ#)
What i thought when i first heard.
I still do. :'(
QuoteSuch anger.
Don't laugh. I remember talking excitedly about the on-off possibility of this film with a friend when the quadrilogy was released (2003 - i.e., approaching one decade).
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 16, 2011, 04:53:30 PM
I find this hilarious. :laugh:
Such anger.
This.
Sorry but this is just bullshit that Ridley has come up with. Starting to make an Alien storyline and in the middle of the process: "Uh, I think I'm gonna need a new franchise for this one."
No matter how many good movies Ridley did and no matter how good this Prometheus is going to be, the working progress was/is totally lame!
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 16, 2011, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: TheAncientEnemy on Jan 16, 2011, 03:21:49 PM
I have to admit, it's pretty fascinating to watch some of you guys out there sitting behind your computer getting hard on Ridley's new Alien movie and then calling him a coward and disparaging him from the safety of your chairs because he has the balls to do something new. There's nothing wrong at all with having an artistic critique, but to literally call a guy like Ridley names based on nothing other than the fact that you're bitter you won't be getting what you claim to really not want comes off as petty and transparent. Come on guys! We might actually be getting something artistic!
Dude...he is a coward....and do you know why?:
1)''It's a brand new box of tricks'' ....
2)''We know what the road map is''...
3)''We're hoping to have it in theaters in late 2011, or maybe the best date in 2012''.....
4)''Yeah, he's still around (H.R. Giger,) Once I get more serious and get going, and the big wheels start turning, we'll certainly talk. And maybe we'll come up with something completely different. ''
5)"The film will be really tough, really nasty,"
6)"It's the dark side of the moon. We are talking about gods and engineers. Engineers of space''
Not a single one of your six "points" has anything to do with him being a coward. In fact, not one of your six statements even has anything to do with Alien at all. Every single one could be applied to whatever he has been working on.
Statement three pertaining to the release date is not only irrelevant but confusing because the release date, which has now been noted, is not part of the debate nor does his statement contradict what information has been released pertaining to it.
Your first and fourth statements might even lean towards contradicting your own anger in the first place. "It's a brand new box of tricks." "And maybe we'll come up with something completely different." Fun tip: It's usually best to find information that actually supports your position instead of providing evidence to solidify the opposite.
Don't confuse Ridley's general statements with the result of putting them through the drooling fanboy filter. Just because all of these quotes got you frothing for hot marine-on-xenomorph-on-space jockey action doesn't mean for one second that that was the intention. Most of all the speculation about this film has been fan-driven and even the "semi-official" info has been largely found to be bunk.
Give a Predator a movie role he'll be done in less then a year with a damn good movie.
Give the Alien a movie role and a game for that matter to save what is left of our beloved bug.And gets delayed forever and turned into something else.
Really if predators can survive AVP who's to say Alien cant come on FOX!
Quote from: TheAncientEnemy on Jan 16, 2011, 07:29:08 PM
Not a single one of your six "points" has anything to do with him being a coward. In fact, not one of your six statements even has anything to do with Alien at all. Every single one could be applied to whatever he has been working on.
dude wth are you talking about? are you ok?
all these were told by the man himself in an interview when he was asked about the alien prequel...
except if avpgalaxy is ''feeding'' us lies instead of real news,which
i doubt it...i mean i dont know the site stuff ect but i dont think if all these were just ''fan-driven'' as you say they would post it here and waist our time.
I don't know why you try to defend him.
He was the one who said all that about the alien prequel when he was asked about it.
I hope someone from the site clarifies this..i mean if indeed Ridley said all these referring to the alien prequel or not as you say to your last post.
heartbreaking. effectively, this is "we were doing it, but our script turned out too good to be a mere alien prequel."
The Alien franchise is pretty much dead in the water now, unless someone is daring enough to make a sequel to Resurrection. (or do a lame reboot)
On the plus side, Predators ruled and we're getting another one of those. Maybe just maybe, we'll get an AvP3 that takes Predators sort of into account. ;D
Quote from: jimmylace on Jan 16, 2011, 08:02:46 PM
heartbreaking. effectively, this is "we were doing it, but our script turned out too good to be a mere alien prequel."
The Alien franchise is pretty much dead in the water now, unless someone is daring enough to make a sequel to Resurrection. (or do a lame reboot)
On the plus side, Predators ruled and we're getting another one of those. Maybe just maybe, we'll get an AvP3 that takes Predators sort of into account. ;D
Working on it. ;D
I think people are over-reacting a bit. I can't actually find anything in the article that says the plot isn't the same and isn't still about the Space Jockeys. In fact, I can't find anything that says the Aliens won't even be in it. All I can find is the fact that it's no longer being billed as an Alien prequel and that there is some major universe-building going on. For all we know it's the same damn script, just with the Aliens downplayed/removed and the Jockeys even more fleshed out and central to the storyline.
O.O
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STNug-lKeIM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STNug-lKeIM#)
I'm so angry I can't even kill myself properly.
...What.
I passed the last months imagining how Scott would've brought to life one of my "movie dreams" since my first viewing of Alien, alas the Space Jockey... what's behind the ginormous skeleton, the mysteries it brings with it, and the immensity that can be out there. I'm really... I don't know, shocked by this news. Especially after reading the promising message Ridley leaves in the portfolio of the Anthology. Shame.
On the positive side, though, we'll have another Sci-Fi with Scott as the director... and Alien will keep its Lovecraftian Vibe I always loved.
must... not... troll!
AHEM.
*warning, this opinion though seemingly honest has been manipulated to anger and frustrate you with intentional ignorance and pedantery for the purpose of trolling*
Spoiler
you are a bunch of f**king babies. "BAAAAAAAAAW RIDLEY IS A JERK HE PROMISED US A NEW ALIEN MOVIE I HATE HIM!"
of course there won't be a f**king prequel. making a prequel to alien is f**king retarded and you should run in front of a bus for considering it. we found out only a year or so about Ridley's involvement and you're talking about this like he visited you when you were a little brat walking out of AVP and promissed your terminally Ill puppy would live to see the movie. HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE SCRIPT HE WAS WORKING? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING I DON'T ABOUT IT? a guy was going to get anally raped. that is a man humping another man in the middle of your f**king masterpiece of horror. and guess what, if Ridley thought it was for the better to take the alien title of this and not shit over us, i trust him.
"BUT I WANTED ANOTHER ALIEN MOVIE NOW THE FRANCHISE IS DEAAAAD" f**k off. the Alien franchise died with AvP. Alien vs Predator. you must be authistic to not notice how retarded any movie with "vs" on the title is. did you expect this to blend into a wonderful Universe with two of your favorite franchises in one doing cool shit? oh, you did. some of you still do. you deluded motherf**kers. good things don't happen. now grow out of it, pull up your panties and don't act like Fox just f**ked us in the ass for the first time, because it's not.
Ridley is from America right? so you can sue him right you can sue anybody there.
btw does this mean no space jockey?
Quote from: Infected on Jan 16, 2011, 10:09:02 PM
Ridley is from America right? so you can sue him right you can sue anybody there.
He's English, and I'm sure he lives there.
It's funny. If they're filming so soon, they would have planned Prometheus a while back, but they kept on the Alien ruse for a while, very close to actual filming in fact [apparently, pre-production started not too long ago, right?]. There's maybe a slim chance that it's a Jockey movie that's distanced from Alien, and a title without 'Alien' in it would be the best move - and would FOX really ditch Alien after trying to get Scott on the project and even paying to have scripts written?
But I wouldn't say that for sure.
Quote from: stroggificated on Jan 16, 2011, 12:03:31 PM
Clap.....Clap......Clap
It's a pity i won't never see your reactions here if PREDATORS had met the same fate as the Alien Prequel. Then an Alien Fan comes along and...
Stop...
Before you go on... I would've been ECSTATIC, if PREDATORS had been cancelled... To me the movie was such a let down.
If anything, I think the Alien fans who opposed the prequel are lucky.
Quote from: stroggificated on Jan 16, 2011, 12:03:31 PM
Alien Predator is done. They don't need to do it anymore.
No more. No more. No more.
I actually agree with this... I really do... I whole heartily agree with this!
Who are you trying to piss of, me? Not working, I'm just envious of the Alien fans who opposed the prequel that someone above listened to them.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 16, 2011, 10:07:12 PM
AHEM.
Spoiler
you are a bunch of f**king babies. "BAAAAAAAAAW RIDLEY IS A JERK HE PROMISED US A NEW ALIEN MOVIE I HATE HIM!"
of course there won't be a f**king prequel. making a prequel to alien is f**king retarded and you should run in front of a bus for considering it. we found out only a year or so about Ridley's involvement and you're talking about this like he visited you when you were a little brat walking out of AVP and promissed your terminally Ill puppy would live to see the movie. HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE SCRIPT HE WAS WORKING? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING I DON'T ABOUT IT? a guy was going to get anally raped. that is a man humping another man in the middle of your f**king masterpiece of horror. and guess what, if Ridley thought it was for the better to take the alien title of this and not shit over us, i trust him.
"BUT I WANTED ANOTHER ALIEN MOVIE NOW THE FRANCHISE IS DEAAAAD" f**k off. the Alien franchise died with AvP. Alien vs Predator. you must be authistic to not notice how retarded any movie with "vs" on the title is. did you expect this to blend into a wonderful Universe with two of your favorite franchises in one doing cool shit? oh, you did. some of you still do. you deluded motherf**kers. good things don't happen. now grow out of it, pull up your panties and don't act like Fox just f**ked us in the ass for the first time, because it's not.
Well said, Chupa.
QuoteAHEM.
you are a bunch of f**king babies. "BAAAAAAAAAW RIDLEY IS A JERK HE PROMISED US A NEW ALIEN MOVIE I HATE HIM!"
of course there won't be a f**king prequel. making a prequel to alien is f**king retarded and you should run in front of a bus for considering it. we found out only a year or so about Ridley's involvement and you're talking about this like he visited you when you were a little brat walking out of AVP and promissed your terminally Ill puppy would live to see the movie. HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE SCRIPT HE WAS WORKING? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING I DON'T ABOUT IT? a guy was going to get anally raped. that is a man humping another man in the middle of your f**king masterpiece of horror. and guess what, if Ridley thought it was for the better to take the alien title of this and not shit over us, i trust him.
"BUT I WANTED ANOTHER ALIEN MOVIE NOW THE FRANCHISE IS DEAAAAD" f**k off. the Alien franchise died with AvP. Alien vs Predator. you must be authistic to not notice how retarded any movie with "vs" on the title is. did you expect this to blend into a wonderful Universe with two of your favorite franchises in one doing cool shit? oh, you did. some of you still do. you deluded motherf**kers. good things don't happen. now grow out of it, pull up your panties and don't act like Fox just f**ked us in the ass for the first time, because it's not.
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Yes sir!
In fact, no...i think most people, like myself, are not "angry" about the fact that the movie ultimately won't get made, it is just how we all found out.
It was even officially announced on the new anthology box set, Ridley was talking about it for over a year now, in fact, he wasnt talking about anything else, it seemed like it was finally going to happen, the originator going back, they even had giger, something fans wished for ever since they saw the first movie, and all the sudden they say "nahh, f**k the prequel, we're making something else
completely". Of course fans are going to be disappointed, what were you expecting on an
Alien fan site?
Can you hype a movie and then cancel it any day of the week? Of course, it happened before and it will happen again, but people will be pissed, and rightfully so.
If you expect the majority of people to go "Yayy! They canceled another Alien movie, with Ridley f**king Scott directing, how awesome is that!!?" you're clearly in the wrong place.
I agree with a lot of what you said Johnny.
Especially on the Anthology part.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 16, 2011, 10:07:12 PM
AHEM.
Spoiler
you are a bunch of f**king babies. "BAAAAAAAAAW RIDLEY IS A JERK HE PROMISED US A NEW ALIEN MOVIE I HATE HIM!"
of course there won't be a f**king prequel. making a prequel to alien is f**king retarded and you should run in front of a bus for considering it. we found out only a year or so about Ridley's involvement and you're talking about this like he visited you when you were a little brat walking out of AVP and promissed your terminally Ill puppy would live to see the movie. HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE SCRIPT HE WAS WORKING? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING I DON'T ABOUT IT? a guy was going to get anally raped. that is a man humping another man in the middle of your f**king masterpiece of horror. and guess what, if Ridley thought it was for the better to take the alien title of this and not shit over us, i trust him.
"BUT I WANTED ANOTHER ALIEN MOVIE NOW THE FRANCHISE IS DEAAAAD" f**k off. the Alien franchise died with AvP. Alien vs Predator. you must be authistic to not notice how retarded any movie with "vs" on the title is. did you expect this to blend into a wonderful Universe with two of your favorite franchises in one doing cool shit? oh, you did. some of you still do. you deluded motherf**kers. good things don't happen. now grow out of it, pull up your panties and don't act like Fox just f**ked us in the ass for the first time, because it's not.
Dude,what irritates me is not the fact that the alien prequel will never be made.
Its the fact Ridley talked about it like he had everything ready and he would start making it.
He gave high hopes to all who love the franchise for more than 2 decades.
''overreacting''....Im not gonna stop eating because its canceled or cut my veins but im disappointed (me and the rest 99% of the members)
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no you have the right to be dissappointed, but what gets me its how personal people here get, people insulting and bitching and acting incredibly inmature. it's an alien movie we won't see, and i understand that, but i never thought it was going to be any good, Ridley and Giger or not.
Alien is not the kind of movie you can build a story before without doing some serious contradictions that would bring the whole thing down.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 16, 2011, 10:46:51 PM
no you have the right to be dissappointed, but what gets me its how personal people here get, people insulting and bitching and acting incredibly inmature. it's an alien movie we won't see, and i understand that, but i never thought it was going to be any good, Ridley and Giger or not.
Alien is not the kind of movie you can build a story before without doing some serious contradictions that would bring the whole thing down.
Yeah but now we will never know >:(
But what irritates me more is all the members who say that its better the prequel wasnt made.
I cant believe that any person who registered here prefers this ''Prometheus project'' than a ''pure'' alien sequel/prequel.
and all who didnt want the prequel made based on the leaked script with the gay scenes ect...i have 1 answer:
RIDLEY should move his ass,try to make a better script and try to make a good alien movie even if the project was to be pushed back 2 or 3 years more.
I wouldnt mind to hear an answer like:it will be ready when it's ready.
and the prequel wasnt doomed...all it needed was a good script.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 16, 2011, 10:46:51 PM
Alien is not the kind of movie you can build a story before without doing some serious contradictions that would bring the whole thing down.
Even Ridley Scott acknowledged that if he did this movie, it would've contradicted continuity anyway.
If you ask me, the prequel was doomed from the start. I was one of the few who foresaw that.
-Rakai'Thwei
It was a serious shot in the foot to publicise and hype an Alien prequel, seek out and get Ridley Scott as a director [to the extent that they were turning down directors Scott advocated for the project], have him do nothing but talk about it for a year [even in their much hyped Alien Anthology], have Giger tentatively announced as being involved, and then say, not long before filming, that it wasn't happening after all. Silly FOX.
QuoteEven Ridley Scott acknowledged that if he did this movie, it would've contradicted continuity anyway.
Alien's continuity? Quote please.
QuoteAlien is not the kind of movie you can build a story before without doing some serious contradictions that would bring the whole thing down.
Why not?
I think you could. Never say never.
Is it a risk? Of course, but some of the best movies are born out of risks. And if everybody would be as overly careful and unconfident, we wouldn't have movies like Lord of the Rings.
That damn ship didnt Land on the rock for nothing, and the alien didnt start to exist with that Nostromo encounter, and Ash didnt pull his orders out of his ass. So yes, i think there is a whole series of movies possible wthout f**king up anything.
Ridley shouldn't talk about it (and in such a detail) for so long if he wasn't sure he would make it and give high hopes to all and he isnt a little child to be manipulated by Fox.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 16, 2011, 10:55:56 PM
QuoteEven Ridley Scott acknowledged that if he did this movie, it would've contradicted continuity anyway.
Alien's continuity? Quote please.
It's somewhere here in one of the many prequel treads in the prequel board. It was when Ridley Scott was asked about the prequel and talked about it.
Right now I'm just too effin' lazy to actually look through hundreds and hundreds of threads to look for that quote.
-Rakai'Thwei
I'm getting over this news now.
If this new movie is just as good as alien or close to its quality, but with a different story then we could be in for something great.
This could start a new franchise with a new fanbase.
QuoteEven Ridley Scott acknowledged that if he did this movie, it would've contradicted continuity anyway.
That's some serious bullshit right there. Why, from a director and professional standpoint, would he say something like that in before? That sure would put a lot of people and moviegoers off right away from the start, and you don't do that if you hype up a project to win viewers.
I smell BS.
QuoteThis could start a new franchise with a new fanbase.
Or, be his desperate attempt at making a poor man's Avatar.
Yeah, I'm getting over it too. My real point of contention, like Valaquen, is that we were promised something and they broke that promise. I'm raw about that.
But it doesn't change what I love about Alien and Aliens in the slightest. I'll probably go and watch them back-to-back again this week, and I'll be completely fine, apart from a bitter comment here and there. It's over.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 16, 2011, 11:08:39 PM
Yeah, I'm getting over it too. My real point of contention, like Valaquen, is that we were promised something and they broke that promise. I'm raw about that.
+1
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 16, 2011, 11:05:27 PM
I smell BS.
Could be that, since I am basing off memory from what I've read from
fan heresay on a
fan forum, after all.
Hey I could be wrong.
-Rakai'Thwei
QuoteEven Ridley Scott acknowledged that if he did this movie, it would've contradicted continuity anyway.
QuoteI am basing off memory from what I've read from fan heresay on a fan forum
Apples and Oranges.
I'm a die hard alien fan, and I'm not disappointed because I dont have a doubt that this film will connect to the Alien series.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 17, 2011, 01:03:10 AM
I'm a die hard alien fan, and I'm not disappointed because I dont have a doubt that this film will connect to the Alien series.
Said who? Did Fox and Ridley take back their last statement about the movie?
With all due respect...nowhere did they say that this film wouldn't connect to the larger saga.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 17, 2011, 02:14:22 AM
With all due respect...nowhere did they say that this film wouldn't connect to the larger saga.
true... neither did they say that it would... all they said is that it is no longer an Alien film, only sharing its DNA...
What the unholy mother of f**k?! I was looking forward to another Alien movie so bad and now this comes along and head-bites my expectations to a bloody pulp. Ridley even wrote about doing a prequel movie in his intro for the information-booklet in the Blu-ray set. I definately thought it was official when I read that.
Sure, he'll be making a new original movie, and it'll probably be good. Still, as an Alien fan, I've gotten tired of these pesky Predators stealing the Aliens' glory. Why do we get "Predators" and not an Alien prequel?! God, I'm pissed now... >:(
just think of it like this, AVP AVPR and now this new movie, just ignore that they even exist. For me I just acknolwedge that Alien Aliens and Alien 3 are the ONLY movies made in my eyes. So screw AVP AVPR and whatever else they do, those 3 movies are and will always be the best and only alien movies. It helps to think that way :)
The news actually makes me happy, now they can use any design they want in a movie that has loads of potential.
Quote from: MasterRich on Jan 17, 2011, 02:57:09 AM
just think of it like this, AVP AVPR and now this new movie, just ignore that they even exist. For me I just acknolwedge that Alien Aliens and Alien 3 are the ONLY movies made in my eyes. So screw AVP AVPR and whatever else they do, those 3 movies are and will always be the best and only alien movies. It helps to think that way :)
Thats why I pretend that Alien, Aliens, and Alien Resurrection are the only films. As long as I am concerned, Alien 3 never happened... Although I tend to see a plot hole...
Quote from: MrFacehug on Jan 17, 2011, 02:25:56 AM
What the unholy mother of f**k?! I was looking forward to another Alien movie so bad and now this comes along and head-bites my expectations to a bloody pulp. Ridley even wrote about doing a prequel movie in his intro for the information-booklet in the Blu-ray set. I definately thought it was official when I read that.
Sure, he'll be making a new original movie, and it'll probably be good. Still, as an Alien fan, I've gotten tired of these pesky Predators stealing the Aliens' glory. Why do we get "Predators" and not an Alien prequel?! God, I'm pissed now... >:(
Ummm...there's plenty of glory for both species, I'm sure...
Besides, they're both aliens and predators, so it's kind of hard for their predatory instincts to overshadow their xenomorphic nature...or something....
Okay...if Ridley said he would do it on the Blu-Ray note thingy, then Prometheus had better be connected
somehow.
I like the idea of a film focusing on the Space Jockeys, or maybe one showing what led to the Aliens but without directly linking to it! Maybe it would be a "reverse-cameo," as a movie unconnected with the Aliens comes out featuring the Space Jockeys, and then younger viewers who discover
Alien will go "Hey, doesn't that skeleton look like those creatures in
Prometheus? Wow, that's a coincidence! Or is it...?" And then they realize the connection between the two series.
Alas, MasterRich and Mr. Gonsa, I will argue for
Alien and
AVP, and whichever of the other films I have yet to see that I will end up liking to be the only canon films. I predict Aliens will make it on there, but if it does, then it's doubtful I will tolerate either of the films after it.
Then again, I might end up hating
Aliens and one day make a film that negates it, who knows? (It could happen to any of us! ;D)
That's why screwing with what's canon and what isn't canon in a series purely based on your liked and disliked entries in said series is dangerous. Once you eliminate, say, the AVP films, any of the other films are open to "deletion" -- and everyone, film makers included, have different opinions on what should be canon.
So please don't mess with continuity. Unless, as with
AVPR, the offending film has something that makes no frikkin' sense without messing up the canon of the later films.
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Jan 17, 2011, 03:31:27 AM
Quote from: MasterRich on Jan 17, 2011, 02:57:09 AM
just think of it like this, AVP AVPR and now this new movie, just ignore that they even exist. For me I just acknolwedge that Alien Aliens and Alien 3 are the ONLY movies made in my eyes. So screw AVP AVPR and whatever else they do, those 3 movies are and will always be the best and only alien movies. It helps to think that way :)
Thats why I pretend that Alien, Aliens, and Alien Resurrection are the only films. As long as I am concerned, Alien 3 never happened... Although I tend to see a plot hole...
I tend to just pretend that Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection never happened.
As far as I know, Ripley, Newt and Cp.Hicks are still in their sleeping tanks in space.
Quote from: samoht on Jan 17, 2011, 04:19:05 AM
I tend to just pretend that Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection never happened.
As far as I know, Ripley, Newt and Cp.Hicks are still in their sleeping tanks in space.
Word.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 17, 2011, 04:23:30 AM
Quote from: samoht on Jan 17, 2011, 04:19:05 AM
I tend to just pretend that Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection never happened.
As far as I know, Ripley, Newt and Cp.Hicks are still in their sleeping tanks in space.
Word.
Yay! ;D
I'm not mad about this at all. Just disappointed. But really, from a business standpoint, can you blame anyone for this decision? Isn't this COMPLETEY LOGICAL? Smart, even? Honestly, fellas. It makes sense; it just sucks for us hardcore fans.
Like the movie or not, Alien vs. Predator gave both franchises a shot in the arm by providing a successful movie for the first time since f**king Aliens and Predator. Suddenly, there was the promise of new life for these franchises in the medium of film. Fox used that new energy, that new boost of success to give us AVP: Requiem and Predators. After that string of... well, however you felt about those, they were cheap and didn't exactly bring in phat cash. So it's hard not to get excited about the idea of Fox taking a risk and powerfully re-investing in the properties by going back to someone who put together the original classics - Ridley Scott.
On the flip side, however, many of us weren't exactly enthused by watching the last few flicks, and so really, maybe we should just be grateful that they're not going to jack up continuity any worse than they already did with the PredAlien Queen-thing or something.
At least deadspace 2 still has necromorphs in it!
An original Ridlet Scott Sci Epic = WIN!!!
No more new alien movie = FAIL!!!
Honestly dont know hoe i feel about this
...and chupacabras acheronsis is right
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Jan 17, 2011, 02:23:10 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 17, 2011, 02:14:22 AM
With all due respect...nowhere did they say that this film wouldn't connect to the larger saga.
true... neither did they say that it would... all they said is that it is no longer an Alien film, only sharing its DNA...
I wouldn't mind a Space Jockey film, as opposed to a strictly Alien film.
Quote from: Fujimaster on Jan 17, 2011, 05:15:03 AM
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Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 17, 2011, 04:45:45 AM
Like the movie or not, Alien vs. Predator gave both franchises a shot in the arm by providing a successful movie for the first time since f**king Aliens and Predator. Suddenly, there was the promise of new life for these franchises in the medium of film. Fox used that new energy, that new boost of success to give us AVP: Requiem and Predators. After that string of... well, however you felt about those, they were cheap and didn't exactly bring in phat cash.
Actually, every film in both series has made money, and usually a large amount of it - by far the smallest return came with Predator 2, which still made $22m more than its $35m production budget. Alien 3 tripled its budget in worldwide box office, Resurrection more than doubled (they both made about the same amount, curiously). AvP only made just over $10m more than those two.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but isn't the suggestion in the press release that the universe is the same, only it deals with different creatures? Thus, no Xenomorphs, but still the world the films took place in?
"The keen fan will recognize strands of 'Alien's' DNA, so to speak"
this suggests to me that things like Antarctica Traffic Control and Weyland-Yutani and fan-oriented trivia of the like will be getting mentions in order to root it in the same world. Now, i'm probably wrong about that sure, but it would be an interesting way to do a reboot - tackling the universe, rather than just one of it's malignancies.
As long as I forget about Soldier, I'm all up for 'sidequels'!
EDIT: You guys have been arguing this point for pages, haven't you? Sorry - had no time to go through before posting.
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 16, 2011, 10:49:27 PM
But what irritates me more is all the members who say that its better the prequel wasnt made.
I cant believe that any person who registered here prefers this ''Prometheus project'' than a ''pure'' alien sequel/prequel.
and all who didnt want the prequel made based on the leaked script with the gay scenes ect...i have 1 answer:
RIDLEY should move his ass,try to make a better script and try to make a good alien movie even if the project was to be pushed back 2 or 3 years more.
I wouldnt mind to hear an answer like:it will be ready when it's ready.
and the prequel wasnt doomed...all it needed was a good script.
^This
and btw, chupa is not right. But the tears thing was funny.
Reminds me of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM#)
O_O
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 15, 2011, 04:32:07 PM
Cameron has been awarded because of his technical feats, not his literary ones. Let's get our facts straight.
Then lets. I just listed awards for writing/screenplays ALONE, not for directing or special effects. His script are very logic based and as I showed in the link, he did some marvellous stuff with Abyss and T2
Hey Darkness, hey Hicks. Can you ban me. I'm done with all this shite. ::)
Rather an extreme reaction don't you think?
And while I share everyones disappointment, AvP:R will not be the last time we see an Alien on-screen. This just means it probably won't be Ridley that does it. As if Hollywood will let the franchise die ::)
If anyone seriously thinks that, then you obviously haven't been paying attention to the movie industry these days at all.
Cameron has won a couple of Saturn awards for his work, and has some nominations for writing Terminator and the like, but nothing that hints that he's actually a 'good' writer. He's a genius at knowing what works, but he doesn't have a subtle bone in his body.
Quote from: Vertigo on Jan 17, 2011, 07:32:08 AM
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 17, 2011, 04:45:45 AM
Like the movie or not, Alien vs. Predator gave both franchises a shot in the arm by providing a successful movie for the first time since f**king Aliens and Predator. Suddenly, there was the promise of new life for these franchises in the medium of film. Fox used that new energy, that new boost of success to give us AVP: Requiem and Predators. After that string of... well, however you felt about those, they were cheap and didn't exactly bring in phat cash.
Actually, every film in both series has made money, and usually a large amount of it - by far the smallest return came with Predator 2, which still made $22m more than its $35m production budget. Alien 3 tripled its budget in worldwide box office, Resurrection more than doubled (they both made about the same amount, curiously). AvP only made just over $10m more than those two.
Ok, you're talking about international. I'm talking about domestic. Once upon a time that was all that really mattered to studios - they didn't really take international into account. They figured they either made their money back locally or not at all. However, that mentality has changed, so you're right. It's a different attitude now and I'm thinking in an outdated way...
The Alien movies in general have always done well, for their budget. Never expect an Avatar gross of course.
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Jan 17, 2011, 03:21:54 PM
The Alien movies in general have always done well, for their budget. Never expect an Avatar gross of course.
That will be the day.
Hence why Scott's ideal budget for this movie was a crazy pipe dream. What did he want originally? Something like 150-200 million? Yeeeeaaah..,
I was just thinking, with this canceled, now, once again, every single Alien/Predator/AVP movie has been directed by a different person.
Its greatest power, its greatest weakness.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 16, 2011, 10:20:08 PM
Quote from: Infected on Jan 16, 2011, 10:09:02 PM
Ridley is from America right? so you can sue him right you can sue anybody there.
He's English, and I'm sure he lives there.
It's funny. If they're filming so soon, they would have planned Prometheus a while back, but they kept on the Alien ruse for a while, very close to actual filming in fact [apparently, pre-production started not too long ago, right?]. There's maybe a slim chance that it's a Jockey movie that's distanced from Alien, and a title without 'Alien' in it would be the best move - and would FOX really ditch Alien after trying to get Scott on the project and even paying to have scripts written?
But I wouldn't say that for sure.
Scott was coming back to scifi, he's never been married to the Alien and he won't be tomorrow either. There are people who have decent ideas for re-evangelizing the Alien property, but FOX isn't interested, period. The ceiling on any AP project is about 40 million, and FOX doesn't have the inclination or balls to put any more in. As far as their current management is concerned AP is a least common denominator DVD project at best, and it will be until the current zeitgeist is replaced.
QuoteCameron has won a couple of Saturn awards for his work,
Of course he did, because it actually Harlan Ellison's work.
QuoteIt'll be a similar film to Alien but it won't have any connections at all to the franchise.
For the people with false hopes.
There you go,they hyped the damned thing for like 2 years and then suddenly said:"we rather not".Very professional.
Quote from: Ogata881 on Jan 17, 2011, 07:47:17 PM
QuoteIt'll be a similar film to Alien but it won't have any connections at all to the franchise.
For the people with false hopes.
There you go,they hyped the damned thing for like 2 years and then suddenly said:"we rather not".Very professional.
Who are you quoting?
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 17, 2011, 07:41:11 PM
QuoteCameron has won a couple of Saturn awards for his work,
Of course he did, because it actually Harlan Ellison's work.
Funny, because Ellison's stories didnt become classics and its funny because Ellsion's claim was the only the first 3 minutes were the same, which was 2 time travellers arriving from a future battliefield into modern day alleys. Thats all. Haters can be funny sometimes because they base their statements entirely on hearsay legends instead of actual facts and interviews
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 17, 2011, 02:00:13 PM
Cameron has won a couple of Saturn awards for his work, and has some nominations for writing Terminator and the like, but nothing that hints that he's actually a 'good' writer. He's a genius at knowing what works, but he doesn't have a subtle bone in his body.
Unsubtle or complex dont mean good or bad, Theyre just types of the stories. If non subtle would mean bad then no story would ever be like that and no one would ever attempt to write one. Such statement is surprising coming out of film student. The timeless classics, fairy tales, stories and movies were apparent in their writing. His visual filmmaking on the other hand is a different story, as it had many underlying themes and meaning showing from lightning to environment, as evidenced in the link I posted which Im sure you didnt read
And to straight things out, he was awarded for writing The Terminator, Aliens, Titanic and Avatar. And again, Im not talking just Saturn Awards, Im talking people who are qualified, like the Writers Guild
And again, Syd Field . If some angry website fanboy thinks that he knows better than the screenwriting guru like Field, then that someone is just making a clown out of himself. Must really hurt to hear that this terrible monster that you hate so much actaully
is a talented writer. I can feel that anger when some of you even read such statement
But Im wasting my time, The haters who claim to know more then legends like Field, then Writers Guild and all those high profile critics from Times and People made up their minds long before, and no facts, no information and no quotes will ever even make them think twice. Instead of anything substantial I get ignorant comments like the one with Ellison or the head scratching subtlety comment. Technical terms like Narrative Symmetry and all that aside, what makes a good story is heart, engaging characters and logical train of events and thats all there is to "good". But again, I unfortunately took the bait and got sucked into this close minded hate fest again.
Im done with taking this bait and this "debate"
Now going back to the topic at hand. I read on another forum an interesting statement - since its doubtful that Scott just wanted to rpeat himself and more likely wanted to have a bgger creative freedom (he and Giger), its possible that they came up with so many changes that it just strayed too far away from alien, and thats why they eventually chose not to associate it with the alien
Personally I think Scott has shot himself in the bo***ks this time. Yes FOX wanted him to do it anyway, but wasn't it him and not them who started this Alien Prequel talk in the first place!!
I just realized that you have a link for jamescamerononline in your signature.....so I get it im talking wih a definite fan. You can think he's brilliant, that's fine.
I love a few of his films, and I believe he's one of the smartest big name directors working right now. I just am not captured by his formulaic stories. I am captured by the way he tells a story. titanic, avatar, terminator / 2 were big because they broke new ground in the effects department, not because they were written in a way that's particularly unique.
Live and let live!
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 17, 2011, 08:15:01 PM
I just realized that you have a link for jamescamerononline in your signature.....so I get it im talking wih a definite fan. You can think he's brilliant, that's fine.
Thats very unfair - its like if someone on a movie forum would have a link to AVPgalaxy and someone would say that this person will depend every alien movie and everything alien related because of that signature and that he loves every alien movie and so on. No, Im not a fan of Jim Cameron, hes not a rockstar to have fans, no director is. I like him because I like his movies, not the other way around
youre basically telling me that everything I say doesnt count because Im biased, but Im used to it. Whenever I come up with some material, quotes and articles to support my statement, the haters always just turn around and jump at me instead completely ignoring what I brought up to the table and switch on focusing on whats wrong with me. And again, they will always know better then a screenwriting legend Field, Writers Guild of America, NATO and the high profile critics
For people who are still upset about the Prequel being cancelled, you could try reading Aliens Original Sin. Though, I agree the action may be lack-luster, the plot is...well, yeah you know what? The entire book is lack-luster, it has its moments, but...meh.
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 17, 2011, 07:41:11 PM
Scott was coming back to scifi, he's never been married to the Alien and he won't be tomorrow either. There are people who have decent ideas for re-evangelizing the Alien property, but FOX isn't interested, period. The ceiling on any AP project is about 40 million, and FOX doesn't have the inclination or balls to put any more in. As far as their current management is concerned AP is a least common denominator DVD project at best, and it will be until the current zeitgeist is replaced.
Likely. It's the same attitude which hindered an Alien sequel after its '79 release.
QuoteOf course he did, because it actually Harlan Ellison's work.
Please.
For anyone interested, read this: http://jamescameron.blogspot.com/2010/12/harlan-ellisons-terminator-lawsuit.html (http://jamescameron.blogspot.com/2010/12/harlan-ellisons-terminator-lawsuit.html)
[David, who runs this blog, is one of the most honestly critical people I know. Just because 'James Cameron' is in the URL, doesn't mean he's in any way biased. In fact, he is vehemently critical of Cameron on many issues. The only parallels between Soldier and Terminator are time travel and the post-apocalyptic setting, [there's no bloody robot in Soldier, nor assasination mission, or war with machines, or love story, nor are there any analogous characters]. Ellison did not invent time travel stories, nor post-apocalyptic stories. The first literary examples of these go back to Mark Twain and Mary Shelley. Christ, even Shakespeare 'copied' the plots for King Lear and Romeo and Juliet from numerous prior sources. Sacrilege! Without film-makers being inspired by the fiction they read in their youth we wouldn't have the cinema of today or yesterday.]
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 17, 2011, 08:27:08 PM
For people who are still upset about the Prequel being cancelled, you could try reading Aliens Original Sin. Though, I agree the action may be lack-luster, the plot is...well, yeah you know what? The entire book is lack-luster, it has its moments, but...meh.
I actually liked the book overall, although the lamest thing in it was the fact that suddenly multiple aliens can burst out of one host...
Oh wait. That was in AVP:R, too. Nevermind.
Anyway, a really great Aliens book is
DNA War. I should read that again.
DNA War was good. I just didn't like Original Sin's action sequences, and some of the plot points like why the Derelict crashed and of the Space Jockeys were a little too outside of what I wanted the franchise to go.
Yeah, DNA War was cool. Only Alien book that I read, other than the Earth Hive-Nightmare Asylum-Female War trilogy, and Prey, but thats AVP. There are some concepts from DNA War that I wouldn't mind seeing make it too a movie.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 17, 2011, 07:58:14 PM
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 17, 2011, 07:41:11 PM
QuoteCameron has won a couple of Saturn awards for his work,
Of course he did, because it actually Harlan Ellison's work.
Funny, because Ellison's stories didnt become classics and its funny because Ellsion's claim was the only the first 3 minutes were the same, which was 2 time travellers arriving from a future battliefield into modern day alleys. Thats all. Haters can be funny sometimes because they base their statements entirely on hearsay legends instead of actual facts and interviews
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 17, 2011, 02:00:13 PM
Cameron has won a couple of Saturn awards for his work, and has some nominations for writing Terminator and the like, but nothing that hints that he's actually a 'good' writer. He's a genius at knowing what works, but he doesn't have a subtle bone in his body.
Unsubtle or complex dont mean good or bad, Theyre just types of the stories. If non subtle would mean bad then no story would ever be like that and no one would ever attempt to write one. Such statement is surprising coming out of film student. The timeless classics, fairy tales, stories and movies were apparent in their writing. His visual filmmaking on the other hand is a different story, as it had many underlying themes and meaning showing from lightning to environment, as evidenced in the link I posted which Im sure you didnt read
And to straight things out, he was awarded for writing The Terminator, Aliens, Titanic and Avatar. And again, Im not talking just Saturn Awards, Im talking people who are qualified, like the Writers Guild
And again, Syd Field . If some angry website fanboy thinks that he knows better than the screenwriting guru like Field, then that someone is just making a clown out of himself. Must really hurt to hear that this terrible monster that you hate so much actaully is a talented writer. I can feel that anger when some of you even read such statement
But Im wasting my time, The haters who claim to know more then legends like Field, then Writers Guild and all those high profile critics from Times and People made up their minds long before, and no facts, no information and no quotes will ever even make them think twice. Instead of anything substantial I get ignorant comments like the one with Ellison or the head scratching subtlety comment. Technical terms like Narrative Symmetry and all that aside, what makes a good story is heart, engaging characters and logical train of events and thats all there is to "good". But again, I unfortunately took the bait and got sucked into this close minded hate fest again.
Im done with taking this bait and this "debate"
Now going back to the topic at hand.
I read on another forum an interesting statement - since its doubtful that Scott just wanted to rpeat himself and more likely wanted to have a bgger creative freedom (he and Giger), its possible that they came up with so many changes that it just strayed too far away from alien, and thats why they eventually chose not to associate it with the alien
That's awesome, except I actually talked to Ellison about it, so you can expost facto theorycraft all you'd like, but his
personal take and what the courts found indemnity on are two very different things. The Writer's Guild also stood by the court's decision.
And while we're reassigning context contrary to what people actually said, we can also throw Hurd's comment about not getting sued by Heinlein's people being a "miracle." Her word, not mine.
That's great for you, but saying "Well I talked to him" doesn't really count for shit in the argument.
It does for me, seeing as he knows what f**k he's talking about in regards to his own work as opposed to a third party quote after the fact.
And yet it doesn't to us, because we have f**k-all proof that you did ask him.
And?
The reverse is I go up to Ellison to say some dude on a website said Please. I'm fairly certain he'll care.
Nice attempt at dragging a redirect followed with SS wall of denial, but my -> opinion <- is predicated by by a source that literally covers one side of the argument in totality, period, end of, fullstop, also corroborated by Cameron admitting so to a journalist, twice. Whether Ellison invent time travel in 1st person is irrelevant. Whether Cameron literally borrowed from the source created isn't, as Cameron himself has attested to on record. Next.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 17, 2011, 09:58:04 PM
Yeah, DNA War was cool. Only Alien book that I read, other than the Earth Hive-Nightmare Asylum-Female War trilogy, and Prey, but thats AVP. There are some concepts from DNA War that I wouldn't mind seeing make it too a movie.
Did you read Aliens Cauldron? It's by the same author as DNA War and isn't bad.
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 16, 2011, 07:51:20 PM
Quote from: TheAncientEnemy on Jan 16, 2011, 07:29:08 PM
Not a single one of your six "points" has anything to do with him being a coward. In fact, not one of your six statements even has anything to do with Alien at all. Every single one could be applied to whatever he has been working on.
dude wth are you talking about? are you ok? all these were told by the man himself in an interview when he was asked about the alien prequel...except if avpgalaxy is ''feeding'' us lies instead of real news,which i doubt it...i mean i dont know the site stuff ect but i dont think if all these were just ''fan-driven'' as you say they would post it here and waist our time.
I don't know why you try to defend him.
He was the one who said all that about the alien prequel when he was asked about it.
I hope someone from the site clarifies this..i mean if indeed Ridley said all these referring to the alien prequel or not as you say to your last post.
What I'm saying is that none of your points say anything that this new development contradicts. None of your quotes are no longer applicable. In fact, they mostly jive with this recent turn of events. As far as I'm concerned Prometheus is still just as much an Alien prequel as it always was and, until we read some legit news that says it won't have any connection to the series, it will remain as such.
And I'm fine, thanks for asking. ;)
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 17, 2011, 10:31:05 PM
And?
The reverse is I go up to Ellison to say some dude on a website said Please. I'm fairly certain he'll care.
Nice attempt at dragging a redirect followed with SS wall of denial, but my -> opinion <- is predicated by by a source that literally covers one side of the argument in totality, period, end of, fullstop, also corroborated by Cameron admitting so to a journalist, twice. Whether Ellison invent time travel in 1st person is irrelevant. Whether Cameron literally borrowed from the source created isn't, as Cameron himself has attested to on record. Next.
Nice that Cameron's apparent quote never saw the light of day, if it exists. ->
Opinion<- does not = an touchable, infallible and unquestionable truth. Anyone can look at Soldier and the Terminator and see the latter is in no way an 'update' of the former. Soldier is about two dudes who accidentally fall back in time. One gets adopted by a family and learns the value of 20th century life. Aside from time travel and two dudes fighting, nothing else is what you could remotely assign to plagariasm. "I spoke to Ellison" - wow, now there's a guy who
didn't have a bias, as well as a lofty financial gain from the debacle. Chinese whispers. Ellison himself said only the first four minutes of Terminator resembled Soldier, and he also personally rebuffed the Demon With A Glass Hand silliness. Cameron corroborated nothing. No further point in discussing considering your consistent, OTT, hyperbole-laden and probably unhealthy attitude to the guy.
Are we back to slamming Ridley yet?
Indeed. Lets get this back on topic hombres.
Such a shame...Now ACM is our only hope. A videogame........shit
A new film will come along eventually. Whether that's a good thing or not is yet to be seen. Depends on FOX's approach.
We will see another, I'm sure of it. But I doubt Ridley will be in the chair. Or maybe even Giger. He must be getting on a bit now as well.
Giger and Scott are past the 70 mark. :(
Guys, I just Realize something: Ridley's "betrayal" or change of heart on the prequel should have been no surprise to us. He has actually done this before. Back when Robin Hood had been announced, The original Idea was to create an original take on the Robin Hood myth, in which both Robin Hood and his arch-nemesis, the Sheriff of Nottingham, were the same person. But just before production started, He revealed that the story had changed and that it would be a just another Robin Hood tale, with the double life aspect being dropped off completely.
And now we get this from him. It was an Alien Prequel, and just around when they are to start filming, he reveals that he changed his mind, and its not a prequel anymore. Many of us are still in healing, but perhaps we should have seen it coming, since he has a history of drastically changing his mind on the story aspects of his movies.
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 17, 2011, 10:06:30 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 17, 2011, 07:58:14 PM
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 17, 2011, 07:41:11 PM
QuoteCameron has won a couple of Saturn awards for his work,
Of course he did, because it actually Harlan Ellison's work.
Funny, because Ellison's stories didnt become classics and its funny because Ellsion's claim was the only the first 3 minutes were the same, which was 2 time travellers arriving from a future battliefield into modern day alleys. Thats all. Haters can be funny sometimes because they base their statements entirely on hearsay legends instead of actual facts and interviews
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 17, 2011, 02:00:13 PM
Cameron has won a couple of Saturn awards for his work, and has some nominations for writing Terminator and the like, but nothing that hints that he's actually a 'good' writer. He's a genius at knowing what works, but he doesn't have a subtle bone in his body.
Unsubtle or complex dont mean good or bad, Theyre just types of the stories. If non subtle would mean bad then no story would ever be like that and no one would ever attempt to write one. Such statement is surprising coming out of film student. The timeless classics, fairy tales, stories and movies were apparent in their writing. His visual filmmaking on the other hand is a different story, as it had many underlying themes and meaning showing from lightning to environment, as evidenced in the link I posted which Im sure you didnt read
And to straight things out, he was awarded for writing The Terminator, Aliens, Titanic and Avatar. And again, Im not talking just Saturn Awards, Im talking people who are qualified, like the Writers Guild
And again, Syd Field . If some angry website fanboy thinks that he knows better than the screenwriting guru like Field, then that someone is just making a clown out of himself. Must really hurt to hear that this terrible monster that you hate so much actaully is a talented writer. I can feel that anger when some of you even read such statement
But Im wasting my time, The haters who claim to know more then legends like Field, then Writers Guild and all those high profile critics from Times and People made up their minds long before, and no facts, no information and no quotes will ever even make them think twice. Instead of anything substantial I get ignorant comments like the one with Ellison or the head scratching subtlety comment. Technical terms like Narrative Symmetry and all that aside, what makes a good story is heart, engaging characters and logical train of events and thats all there is to "good". But again, I unfortunately took the bait and got sucked into this close minded hate fest again.
Im done with taking this bait and this "debate"
Now going back to the topic at hand.
I read on another forum an interesting statement - since its doubtful that Scott just wanted to rpeat himself and more likely wanted to have a bgger creative freedom (he and Giger), its possible that they came up with so many changes that it just strayed too far away from alien, and thats why they eventually chose not to associate it with the alien
That's awesome, except I actually talked to Ellison about it, so you can expost facto theorycraft all you'd like, but his personal take and what the courts found indemnity on are two very different things.
such a tease. what else did he have to say?
That's interesting info (I didn't know about it), and rather like coming along and saying that Batman and The Joker are the same guy. Intriguing, but hard to sell to an audience. I'll wager the studio was behind that change.
And now, here we have (had) an Alien prequel. But now it's Prometheus. Is this because, like Robin Hood, the studio demanded the same ol', same ol'?
If that's the case, If Rid's truly inspired here, then I'm glad he dropped the Alien angle, and I can't wait to see the movie.
ok guys, is there any chance that Prometheus s will take place in the alien universe? lets look at what we've seen:
when Ridley said that fans would notice D.N.A. from the Alien series in this new film perhaps he meant that there would be elements such as Weyland Yutani, Colonial Marines, Space Jockys, and other familiar concepts.
i hope am reasonably sure thats what he was talking about...and besides look at the tweets that escaped from the production team when they started work on the film. they were talking about how excited they were to be working on the "Alien prequel" and Gigers wife also said that Giger was on board for the "Alien prequel", the same goes for Olivia Wilde interview where she said that Ridley was revisiting the franchise etc.
what i think (hope) is going on is that Ridley and company want this film to be able to stand on its own and not be labeled as a prequel to an already established series, especially a series thats hasn't seen very good reception by the public as far as its last two installments go (AvP, AvP-r). so here he is distancing Prometheus from the alien series and maybe rightly so. maybe even though it will technically take place before alien and lead up into that film it has content so original that it should be looked at as its own separate entity.
similar to how Predator is a film that has nothing to do with alien series yet is apart of the established continuity the same can be said for Prometheus. lets not forget that Ridley said he wants to do two prequels and so while Prometheus will be its own self contained story, its sequel could be the film that bridges the gap between itself and Alien...hopefully, it'll play out that way at least.
rant over.
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 18, 2011, 12:22:30 AM
ok guys, is there any chance that Prometheus s will take place in the alien universe? lets look at what we've seen:
when Ridley said that fans would notice D.N.A. from the Alien series in this new film perhaps he meant that there would be elements such as Weyland Yutani, Colonial Marines, Space Jockys, and other familiar concepts.
i hope am reasonably sure thats what he was talking about...and besides look at the tweets that escaped from the production team when they started work on the film. they were talking about how excited they were to be working on the "Alien prequel" and Gigers wife also said that Giger was on board for the "Alien prequel", the same goes for Olivia Wilde interview where she said that Ridley was revisiting the franchise etc.
what i think (hope) is going on is that Ridley and company want this film to be able to stand on its own and not be labeled as a prequel to an already established series, especially a series thats hasn't seen very good reception by the public as far as its last two installments go (AvP, AvP-r). so here he is distancing Prometheus from the alien series and maybe rightly so. maybe even though it will technically take place before alien and lead up into that film it has content so original that it should be looked at as its own separate entity.
similar to how Predator is a film that has nothing to do with alien series yet is apart of the established continuity the same can be said for Prometheus. lets not forget that Ridley said he wants to do two prequels and so while Prometheus will be its own self contained story, its sequel could be the film that bridges the gap between itself and Alien...hopefully, it'll play out that way at least.
rant over.
I think that since Ridley himself says "We realized that we had created a whole new universe"... that pretty much ends that hope, personally.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jan 18, 2011, 12:01:15 AM
That's interesting info (I didn't know about it), and rather like coming along and saying that Batman and The Joker are the same guy. Intriguing, but hard to sell to an audience. I'll wager the studio was behind that change.
And now, here we have (had) an Alien prequel. But now it's Prometheus. Is this because, like Robin Hood, the studio demanded the same ol', same ol'?
If that's the case, If Rid's truly inspired here, then I'm glad he dropped the Alien angle, and I can't wait to see the movie.
Perhaps it was for the best. Maybe the story evolved beyond the 'Alien' concept. And perhaps they were not going to let the Alien concept (already used in 6 movies) hold the greatness of the new story back. If that was the case then I guess it was for the best. I would have done the same if that were the case. I guess, though, Ridley and Fox should handle their movies a bit more carefully. Next time the should not announce their plans until they have pinned down a story. I have to say, I was looking forward to the Robin-Sheriff concept, and what you said about Batman and the Joker, that perhaps could make a good psychological Thriller for a short movie (something like the Mortal Kombat video with Michael J White).
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Jan 18, 2011, 12:28:38 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jan 18, 2011, 12:01:15 AM
That's interesting info (I didn't know about it), and rather like coming along and saying that Batman and The Joker are the same guy. Intriguing, but hard to sell to an audience. I'll wager the studio was behind that change.
And now, here we have (had) an Alien prequel. But now it's Prometheus. Is this because, like Robin Hood, the studio demanded the same ol', same ol'?
If that's the case, If Rid's truly inspired here, then I'm glad he dropped the Alien angle, and I can't wait to see the movie.
Perhaps it was for the best. Maybe the story evolved beyond the 'Alien' concept. And perhaps they were not going to let the Alien concept (already used in 6 movies) hold the greatness of the new story back. If that was the case then I guess it was for the best. I would have done the same if that were the case. I guess, though, Ridley and Fox should handle their movies a bit more carefully. Next time the should not announce their plans until they have pinned down a story. I have to say, I was looking forward to the Robin-Sheriff concept, and what you said about Batman and the Joker, that perhaps could make a good psychological Thriller for a short movie (something like the Mortal Kombat video with Michael J White).
I'll tell you what: if no one involved had said
Alien at all, and just released
Prometheus, and it contained obscure ties to the
Alien universe, people would have freaked right the F out about how great it was! ;)
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 18, 2011, 12:28:08 AM
I think that since Ridley himself says "We realized that we had created a whole new universe"... that pretty much ends that hope, personally.
I've read tons of interviews where writers, directors, producers, etc. say "they've created a whole new universe" when they're still talking about the same franchises they're working on.
Unless, Ridley or anyone else working on Prometheus says that this film is in no way related to the Alien Franchise, there's still hope.
Baaaaaaaaaaaahahaahahaahahaahahaahahaahahaa..! This is truly f**king epic in every sense of the word...the absurdity of the thread title - blinding...
I've said it hundred times I'll say it once more, I'd rather no film than a shit film, and all the rumors concerning this film have smelled less than floral...aside from Giger returning (my personal wet dream)...
:D
Oh man...words can't f**king describe what I'm feeling or I just don't know any that can...
FootNotes: Buying the DVD of this new f**ker, good or bad, just to learn what the f**k exactly happened...
Quote from: Gates on Jan 18, 2011, 02:22:46 AM
Baaaaaaaaaaaahahaahahaahahaahahaahahaahahaa..! This is truly f**king epic in every sense of the word...the absurdity of the thread title - blinding...
I've said it hundred times I'll say it once more, I'd rather no film than a shit film, and all the rumors concerning this film have smelled less than floral...aside from Giger returning (my personal wet dream)...
:D
Oh man...words can't f**king describe what I'm feeling or I just don't know any that can...
FootNotes: Buying the DVD of this new f**ker, good or bad, just to learn what the f**k exactly happened...
Assuming they even have DVDs with Special Features by then... :'(
Quote from: Gates on Jan 18, 2011, 02:22:46 AM
Baaaaaaaaaaaahahaahahaahahaahahaahahaahahaa..! This is truly f**king epic in every sense of the word...the absurdity of the thread title - blinding...
I've said it hundred times I'll say it once more, I'd rather no film than a shit film, and all the rumors concerning this film have smelled less than floral...aside from Giger returning (my personal wet dream)...
:D
Oh man...words can't f**king describe what I'm feeling or I just don't know any that can...
FootNotes: Buying the DVD of this new f**ker, good or bad, just to learn what the f**k exactly happened...
DUDE! Where the f**k have you been the last 4 months? Don't tell me your girl's been keeping you busy with picking out furniture again!
Quote from: TheAncientEnemy on Jan 17, 2011, 10:33:05 PM
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 16, 2011, 07:51:20 PM
Quote from: TheAncientEnemy on Jan 16, 2011, 07:29:08 PM
Not a single one of your six "points" has anything to do with him being a coward. In fact, not one of your six statements even has anything to do with Alien at all. Every single one could be applied to whatever he has been working on.
dude wth are you talking about? are you ok? all these were told by the man himself in an interview when he was asked about the alien prequel...except if avpgalaxy is ''feeding'' us lies instead of real news,which i doubt it...i mean i dont know the site stuff ect but i dont think if all these were just ''fan-driven'' as you say they would post it here and waist our time.
I don't know why you try to defend him.
He was the one who said all that about the alien prequel when he was asked about it.
I hope someone from the site clarifies this..i mean if indeed Ridley said all these referring to the alien prequel or not as you say to your last post.
What I'm saying is that none of your points say anything that this new development contradicts. None of your quotes are no longer applicable. In fact, they mostly jive with this recent turn of events. As far as I'm concerned Prometheus is still just as much an Alien prequel as it always was and, until we read some legit news that says it won't have any connection to the series, it will remain as such.
And I'm fine, thanks for asking. ;)
Quote from: Mikey on Jan 14, 2011, 11:14:35 PM
Apparently is being called Prometheus now, and is no longer even an Alien movie.
Ancient Enemy well according to you....
ITS MIKEY TO BLAME!!!! ;)
take it with him...he is the b*stard who opened the thread and gave wrong,non legit and fan based info to all of us without checking if all these are true. ;)
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 17, 2011, 10:51:11 PM
Quote from: Xhan on Jan 17, 2011, 10:31:05 PM
And?
The reverse is I go up to Ellison to say some dude on a website said Please. I'm fairly certain he'll care.
Nice attempt at dragging a redirect followed with SS wall of denial, but my -> opinion <- is predicated by by a source that literally covers one side of the argument in totality, period, end of, fullstop, also corroborated by Cameron admitting so to a journalist, twice. Whether Ellison invent time travel in 1st person is irrelevant. Whether Cameron literally borrowed from the source created isn't, as Cameron himself has attested to on record. Next.
Nice that Cameron's apparent quote never saw the light of day, if it exists. ->Opinion<- does not = an touchable, infallible and unquestionable truth. Anyone can look at Soldier and the Terminator and see the latter is in no way an 'update' of the former. Soldier is about two dudes who accidentally fall back in time. One gets adopted by a family and learns the value of 20th century life. Aside from time travel and two dudes fighting, nothing else is what you could remotely assign to plagariasm. "I spoke to Ellison" - wow, now there's a guy who didn't have a bias, as well as a lofty financial gain from the debacle. Chinese whispers. Ellison himself said only the first four minutes of Terminator resembled Soldier, and he also personally rebuffed the Demon With A Glass Hand silliness. Cameron corroborated nothing. No further point in discussing considering your consistent, OTT, hyperbole-laden and probably unhealthy attitude to the guy.
Are we back to slamming Ridley yet?
Exactly. Ellison publicly admitted it was 3 minutes that hes hung up on, nothing else. He also denied on his own website even recently that anything other then Soldier was a target of this supposed plagiarims. And just to straight out the facts, they never actually went to court. And if just 3 first minutes are constituing as plagiarizing, then holy cow. Especially since the only similarity is 2 people going back through time from battlefield to street alleys. And yet they were both humans, bioth in the midst of a fight and both accidentaly leaping in time.
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 18, 2011, 04:26:24 AM
Quote from: Mikey on Jan 14, 2011, 11:14:35 PM
Apparently is being called Prometheus now, and is no longer even an Alien movie.
Ancient Enemy well according to you....ITS MIKEY TO BLAME!!!! ;)
take it with him...he is the b*stard who opened the thread and gave wrong,non legit and fan based info to all of us without checking if all these are true. ;)
Please don't tell me you guys think Mikey or AvPGalaxy would deliberately mislead the community and knowingly feed you guys bullshit?
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 18, 2011, 04:26:24 AM
Ancient Enemy well according to you....ITS MIKEY TO BLAME!!!! ;)
take it with him...he is the b*stard who opened the thread and gave wrong,non legit and fan based info to all of us without checking if all these are true. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j4rCOzXJZg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j4rCOzXJZg#)
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 18, 2011, 08:17:33 AM
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 18, 2011, 04:26:24 AM
Quote from: Mikey on Jan 14, 2011, 11:14:35 PM
Apparently is being called Prometheus now, and is no longer even an Alien movie.
Ancient Enemy well according to you....ITS MIKEY TO BLAME!!!! ;)
take it with him...he is the b*stard who opened the thread and gave wrong,non legit and fan based info to all of us without checking if all these are true. ;)
Please don't tell me you guys think Mikey or AvPGalaxy would deliberately mislead the community and knowingly feed you guys bullshit?
of course not...that's why i have the '' ;) '' smiley....i just try to tell to ancient enemy that what he claims (that this is still an alien movie) is exactly the opposite of what MIKEY posted
,they cant be both correct....they claim exactly the opposite.
But i trust Mikey and avpgalaxy.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 17, 2011, 02:00:13 PM
Cameron has won a couple of Saturn awards for his work, and has some nominations for writing Terminator and the like, but nothing that hints that he's actually a 'good' writer. He's a genius at knowing what works, but he doesn't have a subtle bone in his body.
Well said sir, it's true you can't deny him of having an uncanny knack for anticipating the zeitgeist.
As for "Prometheus" it's a good idea to move it away from being a prequel, the cannon restraints on making an interesting original film seemed difficult, and judging by most alien fans opinions of the leaked details he would have had a major backlash.
I'm still excited for this film, regadless of it not being an "alien" film.
QuoteThis could start a new franchise with a new fanbase.
Or, be his desperate attempt at making a poor man's Avatar.
[/quote]
I actually thought Avatar was a boring enviromental message (and very uninspirational and unoriginal) with another bloody cameron love story, then I watched The Abyss and thought it was way to similar to Avatar (But then again I'm not a fimmaker and I doubt I could do anything as good as those). I think Cameron's lost his vision and talent to be honest, since winning awards for Titanic, which I thought had a few corny one liners like "Jack this is where we first met!". And I thought I read somewhere recently that he has said all his movies are love stories (Yawn!). I think his best films were Aliens, Terminator 2 Judgement Day and The Terminator.
I reckon Ridley Scott will make a way more interesting original universe than Cameron's. Someone also metioned that Ridley Scott's Alien seems very intelligent and that in Aliens they seem to be just really smart bugs. I also heard that Cameron thought the creepy deleted 'cocoon' scene from Alien was "just dumb". That scene creeps me out way more than having a Queen (Although I still love Aliens the most out of the series) and seems more, well.....Alien!
I think that Cameron is more logic bound (but what haven't we discovered yet?). Whereas I think Ridley Scott with Alien was about Atmosphere and that logic came second. I used to think Cameron was a absolute Genius. Now sadly I feel I'm losing faith in him (Although it's pretty hard to match what Giger came up with in the first place, and I remember Stan Lee saying a few years back that it's becoming harder to come up with new ideas and that he was lucky when he created Spider-man, The X-men, etc.).
I did feel a bit hollow when it was announced that it was no longer an Alien film, but I can not wait to see what Giger is going to come up with.
Perhaps this will be the spiritual sequel to Alien.
As long as Giger is involved, I'm f**kin excited. His art has been drastically under used by hollywood.
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 17, 2011, 12:15:26 PM
Rather an extreme reaction don't you think?
And while I share everyones disappointment, AvP:R will not be the last time we see an Alien on-screen. This just means it probably won't be Ridley that does it. As if Hollywood will let the franchise die ::)
If anyone seriously thinks that, then you obviously haven't been paying attention to the movie industry these days at all.
It was the very last chance to make a brilliant movie with Scott and Giger. Fox said: Ridley Scott or no one." He wasted it. Such a opportunity wasted... I already saw myself in cinema watching this movie next year. The more i think about it the more i could freak out like... :-X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AciQwmN0Sk8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AciQwmN0Sk8#)
Well, not exactly lulz
Now I don't know if i really want to see an Alien on screen. Thanks to FOX we probably get a remake in 10-20 years.
The Nostromo Crew will look like
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmoviesmedia.ign.com%2Fmovies%2Fimage%2Ftexaschainsawmassacre_cast.jpg&hash=d791d0bcd759a349ab8678d8a24cab64efa4df3d)
and the Alien will look like
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/adibook/normal_adibook02.jpg)
Omg, f**k that!
Quote from: battyfan on Jan 18, 2011, 03:41:10 PM
I think his best films were Aliens, Terminator 2 Judgement Day and The Terminator.
Same, but I'd throw in The Abyss too, and I really, really enjoyed the longest cut of Avatar.
Quotein Aliens they seem to be just really smart bugs.
thhhh....http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2010/08/bug-hunt.html (http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2010/08/bug-hunt.html)
QuoteI also heard that Cameron thought the creepy deleted 'cocoon' scene from Alien was "just dumb". That scene creeps me out way more than having a Queen (Although I still love Aliens the most out of the series)
He never said it was "just dumb," [but a few people involved with Alien thought it looked "horrible," another said it could have been a "terrible mistake" if included] but felt that because it wasn't actually in the movie, then he could add his own thing to the series. Very few writers/directors would abide by a deleted element when they have an oppurtunity to do their own thing.
Quoteand seems more, well.....Alien!
You just did
not say that! :laugh: It's become a meaningless term, maaan!
QuoteI think that Cameron is more logic bound (but what haven't we discovered yet?). Whereas I think Ridley Scott with Alien was about Atmosphere and that logic came second. I used to think Cameron was a absolute Genius. Now sadly I feel I'm losing faith in him (Although it's pretty hard to match what Giger came up with in the first place, and I remember Stan Lee saying a few years back that it's becoming harder to come up with new ideas and that he was lucky when he created Spider-man, The X-men, etc.).
Thankfully Alien is the way it is, but Cameron couldn't do what Scott did. It's just not his genre. Better stick to his strengths. And I had no problem with the first hour of Aliens where nothing Aliens-wise happens. The trek through the deserted colony is great. He's not as artistic as Scott, who often takes the time to absorb the world around him.
Quote from: stroggificated on Jan 18, 2011, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 17, 2011, 12:15:26 PM
Rather an extreme reaction don't you think?
And while I share everyones disappointment, AvP:R will not be the last time we see an Alien on-screen. This just means it probably won't be Ridley that does it. As if Hollywood will let the franchise die ::)
If anyone seriously thinks that, then you obviously haven't been paying attention to the movie industry these days at all.
It was the very last chance to make a brilliant movie with Scott and Giger. Fox said: Ridley Scott or no one." He wasted it. Such a opportunity wasted... I already saw myself in cinema watching this movie next year. The more i think about it the more i could freak out like... :-X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AciQwmN0Sk8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AciQwmN0Sk8#)
Well, not exactly lulz
Now I don't know if i really want to see an Alien on screen. Thanks to FOX we probably get a remake in 10-20 years.
The Nostromo Crew will look like
http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/texaschainsawmassacre_cast.jpg
and the Alien will look like
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/adibook/normal_adibook02.jpg
Omg, f**k that!
What movie is the vid from, man?? >.<
Cool website, Valaquen!
Quote from: stroggificated on Jan 18, 2011, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 17, 2011, 12:15:26 PM
Rather an extreme reaction don't you think?
And while I share everyones disappointment, AvP:R will not be the last time we see an Alien on-screen. This just means it probably won't be Ridley that does it. As if Hollywood will let the franchise die ::)
If anyone seriously thinks that, then you obviously haven't been paying attention to the movie industry these days at all.
It was the very last chance to make a brilliant movie with Scott and Giger. Fox said: Ridley Scott or no one." He wasted it. Such a opportunity wasted... I already saw myself in cinema watching this movie next year. The more i think about it the more i could freak out like... :-X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AciQwmN0Sk8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AciQwmN0Sk8#)
Well, not exactly lulz
Now I don't know if i really want to see an Alien on screen. Thanks to FOX we probably get a remake in 10-20 years.
The Nostromo Crew will look like
http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/texaschainsawmassacre_cast.jpg
and the Alien will look like
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/adibook/normal_adibook02.jpg
Omg, f**k that!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh:
Is that the alien from AVPR?
Yep.
Not hard to recognize. :P
So if there is Alien DNA in Prometheus, does that mean the fan-base can look at this as an "unofficial" prequel to Alien??? LOL.
Seriously though, how far can this film deviate from ideas that are so connected to the Alien universe? Terraforming? An ancient race of humanoids that transport other creatures across space? Xenomorph implantation? You can't run away from all of those ideas, incorporate them into a new film, and NOT DENY that the whole thing was inspired by the first two films in the Alien franchise.
This film would have to divorce itself from all of those ideas to be truly original. Otherwise, it risks being looked at as a rip-off of old ideas...even if Scott is directing it. I think its a bad move to make an "original" film in this case unless the content of the script really is something completely new and original. That's my opinion on the whole thing at least.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 18, 2011, 07:03:29 PM
So if there is Alien DNA in Prometheus, does that mean the fan-base can look at this as an "unofficial" prequel to Alien??? LOL.
Well there's "Alien DNA" in the movie
Leviathan, but I don't think that means anybody considers it a prequel. ;) You feel me?
QuoteSeriously though, how far can this film deviate from ideas that are so connected to the Alien universe? Terraforming? An ancient race of humanoids that transport other creatures across space? Xenomorph implantation? You can't run away from all of those ideas, incorporate them into a new film, and NOT DENY that the whole thing was inspired by the first two films in the Alien franchise.
This film would have to divorce itself from all of those ideas to be truly original. Otherwise, it risks being looked at as a rip-off of old ideas...even if Scott is directing it. I think its a bad move to make an "original" film in this case unless the content of the script really is something completely new and original. That's my opinion on the whole thing at least.
Terraforming is hardly a unique concept to the Alien series. Similarly, an ancient race of humanoids that transport creatures across space? Hardly a concept that's associated with Alien. Not at all.
I'm not sure anymore how much of that supposed "leaked" script is real or fake... seems like it was shot down at one time, and now people have seen serious links between what Ridley has said the movie is about since then, so maybe it's not as fake as originally suspected. If it's indeed connected to the ideas that the prequel was going to involve, though, it was definitely something completely foreign from what the franchise had ever shown before, and could easily be made to be unrelated.
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 18, 2011, 07:10:27 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 18, 2011, 07:03:29 PM
So if there is Alien DNA in Prometheus, does that mean the fan-base can look at this as an "unofficial" prequel to Alien??? LOL.
Well there's "Alien DNA" in the movie Leviathan, but I don't think that means anybody considers it a prequel. ;) You feel me?
Though I think he was thinking more along the lines that Prometheus spent most of its time being a literal Alien film. It's much closer to Alien that way than Leviathan or another, err, knock-off, could be.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 18, 2011, 07:31:04 PM
Though I think he was thinking more along the lines that Prometheus spent most of its time being a literal Alien film. It's much closer to Alien that way than Leviathan or another, err, knock-off, could be.
That is, indeed, the point that I was alluding to. ;)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 18, 2011, 06:26:25 PM
Yep.
Not hard to recognize. :P
Deep down I knew it to be true. But:
1. I haven't watched it in a long time and have tried to forget.
2. It's so damn dark that I couldn't see anything the first time.
In my opinion, good call.
For starters, Ridley Scott, even though he is the amazing genius that he is, has made some pretty disappointing movies in the last ten years. Ever since Black Hawk Down, I never really quite got the feel of his previous films.
For Prometheus, I feel he's got a plan for this one.
Quote from: Machiko Naguchi on Jan 18, 2011, 08:49:30 PM
2. It's so damn dark that I couldn't see anything the first time.
Considering the design, I think it was better that way. :P
Quote from: Kyuubi no Kaiju on Jan 18, 2011, 08:51:19 PM
has made some pretty disappointing movies in the last ten years.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.patuly.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F05%2Frobin-hood-2010-poster.jpg&hash=65fc98fca358c33cd1c82a6375b8329c2bb3b2b4)
Redemption already came.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 18, 2011, 08:53:03 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.patuly.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F05%2Frobin-hood-2010-poster.jpg&hash=65fc98fca358c33cd1c82a6375b8329c2bb3b2b4)
Redemption already came.
Not in that movie it sure didn't. :'(
It didn't, no one liked it.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 18, 2011, 09:02:20 PM
It didn't, no one liked it.
Except Quentin Tarantino.
I haven't seen the film yet, so I must ask: how do you make a Robin Hood movie bad?
I'm sure I'm going to regret asking that.
Since WETA/KNB did the suits for
Predators, we may be moving away from the ADI designs for future installments... :-\
Thank god.
Although after seeing what KNB did, it's actually possible to do worse.
Mad world.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 18, 2011, 08:53:03 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.patuly.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F05%2Frobin-hood-2010-poster.jpg&hash=65fc98fca358c33cd1c82a6375b8329c2bb3b2b4)
Redemption already came.
HAHAHAHAHA.
I trust you haven't seen
American Gangster?
I thought AG was okay. Nothing amazing, but I liked it.
I liked it more on my second watch; first time I just wasn't in the mood, but the climax was so good that it made me love it. Also, the acting was phenomenal.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 18, 2011, 10:47:09 PM
Although after seeing what KNB did, it's actually possible to do worse.
Mad world.
But the Classic Predator looked --
Oh. The
other Predator design.... :-X
Give me the AVP Predators any day.
their BSP design sucked, but they know how to mimmick Winston magic, so that balances it out.
i trust them more.
I think the interweb is trying to throw people off. Watch, there will be an Alien prequel. It's hard to keep people from leaking stuff now·a·days.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 18, 2011, 05:50:27 PM
Quote from: battyfan on Jan 18, 2011, 03:41:10 PM
I think his best films were Aliens, Terminator 2 Judgement Day and The Terminator.
Same, but I'd throw in The Abyss too, and I really, really enjoyed the longest cut of Avatar.
Quotein Aliens they seem to be just really smart bugs.
thhhh....
http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2010/08/bug-hunt.html (http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2010/08/bug-hunt.html)
QuoteI also heard that Cameron thought the creepy deleted 'cocoon' scene from Alien was "just dumb". That scene creeps me out way more than having a Queen (Although I still love Aliens the most out of the series)
He never said it was "just dumb," [but a few people involved with Alien thought it looked "horrible," another said it could have been a "terrible mistake" if included] but felt that because it wasn't actually in the movie, then he could add his own thing to the series. Very few writers/directors would abide by a deleted element when they have an oppurtunity to do their own thing.
Quoteand seems more, well.....Alien!
You just did not say that! :laugh: It's become a meaningless term, maaan!
QuoteI think that Cameron is more logic bound (but what haven't we discovered yet?). Whereas I think Ridley Scott with Alien was about Atmosphere and that logic came second. I used to think Cameron was a absolute Genius. Now sadly I feel I'm losing faith in him (Although it's pretty hard to match what Giger came up with in the first place, and I remember Stan Lee saying a few years back that it's becoming harder to come up with new ideas and that he was lucky when he created Spider-man, The X-men, etc.).
Thankfully Alien is the way it is, but Cameron couldn't do what Scott did. It's just not his genre. Better stick to his strengths. And I had no problem with the first hour of Aliens where nothing Aliens-wise happens. The trek through the deserted colony is great. He's not as artistic as Scott, who often takes the time to absorb the world around him.
Thanks for setting me straight, I'm also very sorry to anyone who I may have upset or offended and to Mr. Cameron himself(although I'm sure people will just write me off as a idiot ;D). I'm just bitter about the state my personal life is in >:(. My hatred of Avatar comes from my Uncle who bashes alot of great movies that I and others like yet he seems to think what he says is right, and he thinks Avatar is the greatest movie ever made. I believe that there is no greatest movie ever made because of peoples different tastes. I forgot while writing my previous post that Dan O'Bannon and others conceived the Alien as having insect like qualites, I messed up big there, I mean it's right there on the great Anthology set! :laugh:
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 18, 2011, 05:50:27 PM
Quote from: battyfan on Jan 18, 2011, 03:41:10 PM
and seems more, well.....Alien!
You just did not say that! :laugh: It's become a meaningless term, maaan!
I know I'm going to come across as a idiot but could you explain what you mean by that please? :-[
Quote from: stroggificated on Jan 18, 2011, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 17, 2011, 12:15:26 PM
Rather an extreme reaction don't you think?
And while I share everyones disappointment, AvP:R will not be the last time we see an Alien on-screen. This just means it probably won't be Ridley that does it. As if Hollywood will let the franchise die ::)
If anyone seriously thinks that, then you obviously haven't been paying attention to the movie industry these days at all.
It was the very last chance to make a brilliant movie with Scott and Giger. Fox said: Ridley Scott or no one." He wasted it. Such a opportunity wasted... I already saw myself in cinema watching this movie next year. The more i think about it the more i could freak out like... :-X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AciQwmN0Sk8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AciQwmN0Sk8#)
Well, not exactly lulz
Now I don't know if i really want to see an Alien on screen. Thanks to FOX we probably get a remake in 10-20 years.
The Nostromo Crew will look like
http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/texaschainsawmassacre_cast.jpg
and the Alien will look like
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp2/adibook/normal_adibook02.jpg
Omg, f**k that!
That's my worst fear! :o I'd rather see a sequel to Resurrection that redeems/lives up to the first 3 or 2 films, I think I've always felt that way. Although I think most of the stuff ADI has done looks cool but it never looks completely real or as terrifying as the original 3, what I love about their work since Resurrection is that they seem to be trying to go back to more of a giger design. I noticed with the hands, shoulders and hips that they seem to be trying to hide that the creature is just a man in a suit. I never wanted an AVP movie or a prequel (although Scott and Giger being involved just sounded to good not to be excited about a prequel).
BTW love the Bale Video. I'm Christian Bale fan, but I still love to laugh with others when we see him go crazy angry :laugh:
so is this like a spin off to alien ?
Quote from: battyfan on Jan 19, 2011, 08:55:54 AM
I know I'm going to come across as a idiot but could you explain what you mean by that please? :-[
:laugh: It's just whenever someone here wants to describe a facet of the original Alien they write, almost verbatim, "it's more, well ... alien!" It's almost a catchphrase.
No foul ;D
???
That's an Alien concept to me.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 18, 2011, 09:02:20 PM
It didn't, no one liked it.
I would be glad to see something backing up this statement, thank you.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 18, 2011, 11:02:58 PM
HAHAHAHAHA.
HUHUHUHUHU.
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 19, 2011, 05:14:47 PM
???
That's an Alien concept to me.
I'm alienated...
Alien: Foreign, from a different origin, unknown, stranger.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 19, 2011, 05:15:36 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jan 18, 2011, 11:02:58 PM
HAHAHAHAHA.
HUHUHUHUHU.
No, but seriously. See
American Gangster. It was
so much better than that pretentious tripe.
look at this guys...
http://collider.com/prometheus-ridley-scott/71303/ (http://collider.com/prometheus-ridley-scott/71303/)
some guy thinks he knows what this prometheus might be about...
Quote from: dandan on Jan 19, 2011, 08:00:02 PM
look at this guys...
http://collider.com/prometheus-ridley-scott/71303/ (http://collider.com/prometheus-ridley-scott/71303/)
some guy thinks he knows what this Prometheus might be about...
i hope this is not the story of Prometheus.....and from what i saw,no alien dna or relation to the alien universe.
I mean if behind of one of the superpowers is the W.Y. or just we talk just for the concept of transforming....''baaaaaahh!!!''
No real relation with the alien dna.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 18, 2011, 10:47:09 PM
Although after seeing what KNB did, it's actually possible to do worse.
Mad world.
At least the bodies were decent. Short yes, but they weren't obese.
The Chilean FOX site calls Prometheus the Alien Prequel, and release date:
http://twitter.com/FoxChilePrensa (http://twitter.com/FoxChilePrensa)
QuoteCONFIRMADO: "Prometheus", precuela de la saga 'Alien' dirigida por Ridley Scott, se estrenará en Chile el 08/03/2012 (un día antes que EEUU)
Quote from: dandan on Jan 19, 2011, 08:00:02 PM
look at this guys...
http://collider.com/prometheus-ridley-scott/71303/ (http://collider.com/prometheus-ridley-scott/71303/)
some guy thinks he knows what this prometheus might be about...
Interesting. I dig the part of the Shadow script "Marines sent in"
I think Prometheus will connect in some way. And it will be epic.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 20, 2011, 06:18:33 AM
The Chilean FOX site calls Prometheus the Alien Prequel, and release date:
http://twitter.com/FoxChilePrensa (http://twitter.com/FoxChilePrensa)
QuoteCONFIRMADO: "Prometheus", precuela de la saga 'Alien' dirigida por Ridley Scott, se estrenará en Chile el 08/03/2012 (un día antes que EEUU)
i wouldn't trust them...
I'm hoping for a lack of marines. Militaristic sci-fi isn't really my thing.
Scott's portrayal of the military is completely different than Cameron's.
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 19, 2011, 09:50:39 PM
No real relation with the alien dna.
When he says you may seen some "Alien DNA" I feel that he means that we will be able to see some vague influence from the Alien franchise if we squint hard enough. Maybe just in tone or something. I expect no real relation to Alien at all, so this description would be exactly what I would find likely.
pretty sure that this film will take place in same universe as Alien series.
the D.N.A. reference means that we will most likely see things like Weyland-Yutani, space jocky's, and colonial marines.
I would think looking at the quote it would actually point to what Bishop2 says, but Scott is notorious for saying what pops into his mind at he time, so we'll see.
we're just going to have to wait and see.
Influence is all we need. Give one or two nods to future events and that's good enough.
Fox will just make another AVP to quell all you fans.
You'll pay the dough for it. It's Fox's way of piping you down. Just like with Predators (weak).
Congrats to Ridley for not succumbing to the non-necassary need of an Alien Prequel. My bet is he realizes there is a much higher chance of screwing his Alien legacy over with some PG-13 prequel garabage.
So he's gonna go with the "original" route (god forbid).
Well done Ridley and thanks for sparring us.
Now Fox owes us another AVP and or crappy sequel to Predators.
Quote from: Original Predator on Jan 21, 2011, 02:08:13 PM
Fox will just make another AVP to quell all you fans.
You'll pay the dough for it. It's Fox's way of piping you down. Just like with Predators (weak).
Congrats to Ridley for not succumbing to the non-necassary need of an Alien Prequel. My bet is he realizes there is a much higher chance of screwing his Alien legacy over with some PG-13 prequel garabage.
So he's gonna go with the "original" route (god forbid).
Well done Ridley and thanks for sparring us.
Now Fox owes us another AVP and or crappy sequel to Predators.
Well, he was pushing hard for this movie to be R-rated. And Fox was pushing for PG-13. I'm guessing that this will indeed b rated R now that it's going to be a new, original movie, because Fox no longer has to worry as much about the somewhat small size of the Alien fanbase. But I could be wrong.
Are we sure just because the name changed that it won't be an Alien movie? If not this really sucks. The Alien series needs to be redeemed after the crap that was Alien 3 & 4.
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Jan 21, 2011, 04:49:33 PM
Are we sure just because the name changed that it won't be an Alien movie? If not this really sucks. The Alien series needs to be redeemed after the crap that was Alien 3 & 4.
Yes, the announcement makes it clear that this is no longer a prequel and is a whole new universe, but it says it sharp-eyed fans may notice the influence of Alien, or "some Alien DNA" in the movie. Either way it's no prequel.
I´m very, very happy that it´s not called "ALIEN : whatever"
Like the name and what stands behind it and have trust in Scott to make something which will be remembered (in a good way of course).
Only thing I hope for is, that his previous statement of a "gory and really nasty" film will come true.
Quote from: Original Predator on Jan 21, 2011, 02:08:13 PM
Congrats to Ridley for not succumbing to the non-necassary need of an Alien Prequel. My bet is he realizes there is a much higher chance of screwing his Alien legacy over with some PG-13 prequel garabage.
So he's gonna go with the "original" route (god forbid).
Maybe Ridley just thought he would "play it safe" and go with an original story because he feels he may have lost the technique to create something on par with his original work or even Cameron's sequel for that matter. He's already been regarded as a director who is way past his prime (his recent films can be used to make that argument) and he might not want more evidence around to prove it by making a prequel to
Alien. Making a film like that would generate a said-by-side critical comparison between his film making credibility then and now. I think there would be a lot of stress in that for him.
Most fans of the franchise have ideas that are quite good about the origin of the xenomorph and space jockey. If you look at the fan fiction or check out whats been written/published for the expanded universe, you'll see that a lot of is quite good and would make an entertaining, albeit complicated, prequel. Perhaps Ridely is simply not up to this challenge.
so when scott says "Alien D N A" does that mean they could be a good chance that there could be some alien related stuff in this?
Yeah, agreed, Robin Hood, to me, was trying too hard to be as groundbreaking as Gladiator.
All they have to do, is place Alien before Prometheus, lets hope so.....
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 21, 2011, 09:52:10 PM
Quote from: Original Predator on Jan 21, 2011, 02:08:13 PM
Congrats to Ridley for not succumbing to the non-necassary need of an Alien Prequel. My bet is he realizes there is a much higher chance of screwing his Alien legacy over with some PG-13 prequel garabage.
So he's gonna go with the "original" route (god forbid).
Maybe Ridley just thought he would "play it safe" and go with an original story because he feels he may have lost the technique to create something on par with his original work or even Cameron's sequel for that matter. He's already been regarded as a director who is way past his prime (his recent films can be used to make that argument) and he might not want more evidence around to prove it by making a prequel to Alien. Making a film like that would generate a said-by-side critical comparison between his film making credibility then and now. I think there would be a lot of stress in that for him.
Most fans of the franchise have ideas that are quite good about the origin of the xenomorph and space jockey. If you look at the fan fiction or check out whats been written/published for the expanded universe, you'll see that a lot of is quite good and would make an entertaining, albeit complicated, prequel. Perhaps Ridely is simply not up to this challenge.
He doesn't have to aim to make something better than Cameron's movie. His original film in Alien is already better anyway. I believe that Ridley made the right decision in making a separate film because he shouldn't strive to work on something that he already has made so good.
Quote from: dandan on Jan 21, 2011, 11:29:15 PM
so when scott says "Alien D N A" does that mean they could be a good chance that there could be some alien related stuff in this?
I think scott means that it will be shot in the same style as alien. Also it could mean that its a space monster movie, like alien was.
I'm quite happy since the info we got from the rumors were terrible.
Quote from: Katarn84 on Jan 22, 2011, 07:32:45 PM
I'm quite happy since the info we got from the rumors were terrible.
a prequel would have been awesome
Guys, I just dont get it? We know nothing by now and maybe it is even something bigger than a prequel. I have a good feeling about it.
hey guys i have some more news abou this film have a look at this link ...
http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/01/noomi-rapace-talks-about-prometheus.html (http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/01/noomi-rapace-talks-about-prometheus.html)
recently the main character in this film Noomi Rapace has had an interveiw with a swedish newspaper take a look at this what she said...
"It's going to be awesome. I play a character named Elizabeth Shaw. She's supercool! But I'm not playing Ripley from the other Alien films, although this one is connected with them"
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 21, 2011, 12:22:48 AM
Scott's portrayal of the military is completely different than Cameron's.
Thankfully that is true.
colonial marines ala black hawk down?
My pants are tight...
Heh. Could be worse. We could have no movie at all from Ridley.
It's funny, but if you go back and read the various interviews he gave prior to the announcement, you could see the direction this was headed. He stated from early on that he felt the creature had lost a bit of mystique and the AvP stuff had further demystified it (I'm obviously paraphrasing of course). he was more interested in revisitng the concept or looking at a possible earlier original version that led up to what we initially saw. Gradually, the conversations led from the creature itself, to talk of space jockeys (which he seemed really interested in), time dialation and terraforming. You could see the evolution of ideas away from a strictly Alien movie, to exploring other concepts within that same universe.
I'm willing to bet that's what happened. The more creative minds you bring in, the more you're able to collaborate and expand upon those unseen elements to the story. Of course, what happens to your Alien Prequel when there's no Alien? It becomes something else. All of the structures still exist (Thus the Alien DNA that's so cryptically spoken of), however, you're free from the constraints of a previously established franchise, and the context that has already been explored in 6 movies involving the creature.
Honestly, I'm excited to see something original. I'd rather break the mold and move in a new direction rather than rehash what's already been done. Time for something fresh, that still at least ties into what we seen.
That's how I feel, ^. It was always obvious it wouldn't be 'another' Alien movie. Ridley Scott's a good film director - he seeks originality, which is rare these days.
Quote from: dandan on Jan 22, 2011, 10:16:12 PM
hey guys i have some more news abou this film have a look at this link ...
http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/01/noomi-rapace-talks-about-prometheus.html (http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/01/noomi-rapace-talks-about-prometheus.html)
recently the main character in this film Noomi Rapace has had an interveiw with a swedish newspaper take a look at this what she said...
"It's going to be awesome. I play a character named Elizabeth Shaw. She's supercool! But I'm not playing Ripley from the other Alien films, although this one is connected with them"
i guess we are going to have to wait till the movie comes out to figure out what the hell is happening here?
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jan 23, 2011, 08:26:38 PM
Quote from: dandan on Jan 22, 2011, 10:16:12 PM
hey guys i have some more news abou this film have a look at this link ...
http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/01/noomi-rapace-talks-about-prometheus.html (http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/01/noomi-rapace-talks-about-prometheus.html)
recently the main character in this film Noomi Rapace has had an interveiw with a swedish newspaper take a look at this what she said...
"It's going to be awesome. I play a character named Elizabeth Shaw. She's supercool! But I'm not playing Ripley from the other Alien films, although this one is connected with them"
i guess we are going to have to wait till the movie comes out to figure out what the hell is happening here?
well it looks like we might have some alien content in this i hope! if we dont have a prequel atleast some content please scott!!
Doesn't mean we're getting Alien content necessarily. Could just mean there's a reference or two.
the whole situation needs an explanation from Fox and mr. Scott himself
I agree. They need to set the story straight so we know what we're in for. This is all too confusing and misleading.
MAYBE HE WANTS TO SURPRISE US. GEE, YOU GUYS.
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To me, it would appear that Ridley is just somewhat redesigning the alien franchise.
He started it, it got f**ked over, and now he's beginning afresh.
I thought he said he wants to tell the story of the first alien you see on that spacecraft on LB427?
The one with huge nose and had a alien pop out of him.
All we know this is still alien universe.
Quote from: Spoon on Jan 24, 2011, 04:32:59 PM
I thought he said he wants to tell the story of the first alien you see on that spacecraft on LB427?
The one with huge nose and had a alien pop out of him.
All we know this is still alien universe.
yes thats a space jockey and your on about a prequel well we dont no if that will happen well specially not for a few years now promethous is not been made
Prometheus will not only take place in the Alien universe, it will also bridge the Alien universe with the universe from Blade Runner. Ash was a replicant.
Wow! You've got to let me take a ride in that DeLorean sometime, bro.
Alien and Blade Runner don't require bridging, they're close enough already.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 24, 2011, 08:44:18 PM
Prometheus will not only take place in the Alien universe, it will also bridge the Alien universe with the universe from Blade Runner. Ash was a replicant.
Hmm, i dont know if the time lines add up but this is interesting.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 24, 2011, 08:44:18 PM
Prometheus will not only take place in the Alien universe, it will also bridge the Alien universe with the universe from Blade Runner. Ash was a replicant.
Speculation thats been around from the beginning of this project. NO proof of that at all. Just ideas seeing as they are simular toned films
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 24, 2011, 08:44:18 PM
Prometheus will not only take place in the Alien universe, it will also bridge the Alien universe with the universe from Blade Runner. Ash was a replicant.
... i would love the shit out of that.
in fact, i'm off to spread this fake gossip. it's going to be Trolltastic.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 24, 2011, 10:12:08 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 24, 2011, 08:44:18 PM
Prometheus will not only take place in the Alien universe, it will also bridge the Alien universe with the universe from Blade Runner. Ash was a replicant.
... i would love the shit out of that.
in fact, i'm off to spread this fake gossip. it's going to be Trolltastic.
Just make sure you cite me as one of your sources. Gotta give credit where credit is due, dude. LOL
If this means they were so creational and original that it didn't even fit within the Alien territory then that's probably a good sign! It's a shame we might not yet get an Alien prequal but we sure as hell are getting a hell of a good one just as easy right here!
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 24, 2011, 08:44:18 PM
Prometheus will not only take place in the Alien universe, it will also bridge the Alien universe with the universe from Blade Runner. Ash was a replicant.
yeah right... since scott had always been a massive fan of dick's novel but instead of starting with making the blade runner movie he decided to make Alien first to introduce us to the replicants (which of course was never explained in the book nor the movie). only then he felt he could make the blade runner since we had become familiar with the replicants (although we didn't know!). amazing and only wishful thinking by some fanboys.
Quote from: azrael55 on Jan 24, 2011, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 24, 2011, 08:44:18 PM
Prometheus will not only take place in the Alien universe, it will also bridge the Alien universe with the universe from Blade Runner. Ash was a replicant.
yeah right... since scott had always been a massive fan of dick's novel but instead of starting with making the blade runner movie he decided to make Alien first to introduce us to the replicants (which of course was never explained in the book nor the movie). only then he felt he could make the blade runner since we had become familiar with the replicants (although we didn't know!). amazing and only wishful thinking by some fanboys.
is that what your thinking? or what you believe to be true? because the dates are abit of. it wasn't like blade runner or alien was Ridleys own original story. He original turned down Blade runner but was then later convinced due to slow dune production.
it wasn't like he was asked and then he decided to leave it on the shelf till he was ready to do it. He was asked to do the film. Other directors where in the eye sight for the role
Yall need to check the sarcasm meter stat!
Quote from: nendo on Jan 25, 2011, 12:16:16 AM
Quote from: azrael55 on Jan 24, 2011, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 24, 2011, 08:44:18 PM
Prometheus will not only take place in the Alien universe, it will also bridge the Alien universe with the universe from Blade Runner. Ash was a replicant.
yeah right... since scott had always been a massive fan of dick's novel but instead of starting with making the blade runner movie he decided to make Alien first to introduce us to the replicants (which of course was never explained in the book nor the movie). only then he felt he could make the blade runner since we had become familiar with the replicants (although we didn't know!). amazing and only wishful thinking by some fanboys.
is that what your thinking? or what you believe to be true? because the dates are abit of. it wasn't like blade runner or alien was Ridleys own original story. He original turned down Blade runner but was then later convinced due to slow dune production.
it wasn't like he was asked and then he decided to leave it on the shelf till he was ready to do it. He was asked to do the film. Other directors where in the eye sight for the role
yeah, as someone already pointed out, i was being sarcastic...
Quote from: azrael55 on Jan 25, 2011, 06:19:38 AM
Quote from: nendo on Jan 25, 2011, 12:16:16 AM
Quote from: azrael55 on Jan 24, 2011, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 24, 2011, 08:44:18 PM
Prometheus will not only take place in the Alien universe, it will also bridge the Alien universe with the universe from Blade Runner. Ash was a replicant.
yeah right... since scott had always been a massive fan of dick's novel but instead of starting with making the blade runner movie he decided to make Alien first to introduce us to the replicants (which of course was never explained in the book nor the movie). only then he felt he could make the blade runner since we had become familiar with the replicants (although we didn't know!). amazing and only wishful thinking by some fanboys.
is that what your thinking? or what you believe to be true? because the dates are abit of. it wasn't like blade runner or alien was Ridleys own original story. He original turned down Blade runner but was then later convinced due to slow dune production.
it wasn't like he was asked and then he decided to leave it on the shelf till he was ready to do it. He was asked to do the film. Other directors where in the eye sight for the role
yeah, as someone already pointed out, i was being sarcastic...
ahh right sorry. Its hard to sarcasm on the internet
Quote from: Spoon on Jan 24, 2011, 04:32:59 PM
All we know this is still alien universe.
No we don't. We know nothing like that. In fact we seem to know the exact opposite.
"an original science fiction epic"
Game, set, match.
No Alien.
Good call Ridley.
Let FOX get some crappy/slappy D-list fanboys to direct the AVP's and any other future Predators or Aliens pieces of crap.
Long live your legacy to the Alien franchise.
Thank you.
Quote from: Original Predator on Jan 25, 2011, 06:39:04 PM
"an original science fiction epic"
Game, set, match.
No Alien.
Good call Ridley.
Let FOX get some crappy/slappy D-list fanboys to direct the AVP's and any other future Predators or Aliens pieces of crap.
Long live your legacy to the Alien franchise.
Thank you.
So you don't want any future AVP/Aliens/Predators films to be directed by A or B-List directors who actually make the film good?
This fanbase is really leaving me quite confused. ;)
As much as I hate to admit it, I'd say this is probably a good move for Ridley. I honestly doubt he could match Alien, and would be slammed for not matching previous efforts. By keeping this in the same universe, he still keeps the Alien fanbase while moving away from the not-as-good-as-Alien criticism he would have inevitably received.
Guys, look here http://www.alienprequelnews.com/ (http://www.alienprequelnews.com/) and stop to much worring about loose rumors!
Weird. Hope it's true. Ridley said years back that he wished he could use real-life locations for an alien world:
'Studio landscape is bloody difficult. You're constantly staring at plaster rocks and saying, "Christ, this doesn't look right." I would have preferred to do some of it on location and then do a studio link. In fact, I 'd been looking at some spots for another picture that would have been beautiful for Alien, particularly in Turkey where there are these pyramid-like dwellings – huge mountainous structures which cover hundreds of square miles. Absolutely extraordinary. But it was a practical budget decision not to go away on location, and so we just did what we could in the studio.'
Ridley Scott, Cinefex, 1979.
Get smeone else to direct it , Alien was 1979, most of what
Now it is 2011 . Alien 79 was a happy accident and Ridley
Scott became the new kid on the block,but a lot has change
I just hope Fox find some else and since the passing of
Dan O' Bannon who was Alien ............
Happy accident?
Somebody hasn't seen The Duellists.
Quote from: redalert51 on Jan 27, 2011, 10:10:36 PM
Dan O' Bannon who was Alien ............
Dan O'Bannon wrote a cheesefest with one good idea.
His own concept of the creature didn't even make it into the film. Scott's influence can be felt through the rest of the series.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 28, 2011, 05:12:33 AM
Dan O'Bannon wrote a cheesefest with one good idea.
Blasphemy. f**king blasphemy.
Have you even read Starbeast? Shit was ridiculous.
Only good scene, the ONLY good scene was the chest bursting scene because it was new, and it also didn't involve some incredibly lame idea like a crewman transforming into a monster or a monster simply sneaking aboard the spacecraft. The rest was the same shit you'd seen in a hundred films before with even more cheeze.
It's terrible. O'Bannon definately deserves credit, because to put it simply, the chest bursting idea is one of two things that define the Alien (the other being Giger's design), but his story was god awful.
Someday doesn't have much appreciation for Metal Hurlant.
Starbeast rules. Sure, it was hella cheesy (not a bad thing in 70's sci-fi) but the core of Alien was always there. It got refined, the way all good screenplays do. The result was Alien. Yay.
I take the somewhat unpopular opinion that Hill and Giler, douche's that they are, deserve far more of the credit for the finished product than O'bannon does. O'bannon was a guy you wanted to root for, because he WAS wronged (with giler and hill trying to take credit for his ideas), but to put it bluntly his story wasn't that good.
You put that shit out and nobody but saturday evening horror aficionado's know what it is. It'd be the Leviathan of the seventies.
Don't get me wrong. I like cheese ranging from the aforementioned leviathan to JCarpenter classic cheese like Ghost of Mars.
But I can also recognize that on every level Alien trounces those movies.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 28, 2011, 05:57:49 AM
but to put it bluntly his story wasn't that good.
Yet we wound up with fundamentally the same story.
Hill and Giler cleaned O'Bannon's execution up, yes, but from a plot level their only major contribution was Ash and the Company. All of
Alien's memorable sequences are right there in
Star Beat, just cheesier.
The story barely changed, in its essence and themes. Giler and Hill just made Roby a babe, changed all the names, played up the corporate aspect and added a Soviet spy twist called Ash. Good screenplays don't leap out fully formed, they require revision and different perspectives. Ultimately it's thanks to the unforgettable texturing that the filmmakers provided that Alien isn't remembered as a Roger Corman debacle, but the foundation is the story, and the story is O'Bannon's.
The cast of Star Beast is asexual, as noted in the script itself (Any role could be male or female).
And it was O'Bannon's idea to hire Giger.
O'Bannon admitted he never expected the lead to be female, so I'll give G&H that. Despite being dicks.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 28, 2011, 06:07:03 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 28, 2011, 05:57:49 AM
but to put it bluntly his story wasn't that good.
Yet we wound up with fundamentally the same story.
Hill and Giler cleaned O'Bannon's execution up, yes, but from a plot level their only major contribution was Ash and the Company. All of Alien's memorable sequences are right there in Star Beat, just cheesier.
Okay the story is pretty much the same. But then again. Alien is pretty much the same story as Voyage of the Space Beagle. Monster in a tin can has been done hundreds of times before and after Alien.
If you want to be technical about it, the "script" is where the difference lies. Both version have monsters eating people. One version portrays this in a believable way. The other is just a way for a creature to eat some people and provide cheap thrills.
Had O'bannon's "script" made the movies, we wouldn't be talking about anything that has helped keep the movie alive over the course of 25+ years. No social commentary, no feminist hero's (regardless of whether it was intentional it happened), no calling out of rampant commercialism. Even broader themes the series ask about artificial intelligence, sacrifice, etc wouldn't have come to light if O'bannon's "script" had been made because there wouldn't have been any sequels. At least any worth a damn.
One "script" is much more contextually deeper than they other. Thats what sets them apart.
You can boil any movie down to its bare bones and make them sound the same. In that regard Alien isn't that much different than Xtro II. Of course we know which one is quality.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 28, 2011, 06:31:31 AM
Both version have monsters eating people. One version portrays this in a believable way.
Which one, cos I've clearly never read it, and it clearly never made it to the screen.
QuoteHad O'bannon's "script" made the movies,
Why the quotation marks? Is this some critical elitism where something can't be given a particular label unless it reaches some arbitrary level of quality?
Obviously Hill and Giler's re-writes are better than what O'Bannon produced, but that doesn't mean they deserve more credit any more than ADI deserves more credit than Giger for creating Aliens out of better materials and more advanced technology.
Every major scene in the final movie, bar Ash, is in O'Bannon's script, [read the final 'battle' in both scripts, the wording is almost exact - this happens numerously throughout the scripts]. Every character is there [again, albeit Ash], albeit with a different name and different lines [Giler said they excised all of his lines - false, they re-worded a lot of it and switched the characters speaking them around]. Ripley is not so far removed from Ripley - he's the cautious one who won't allow anybody to break the rules, he won't allow the Dallas character back on the ship when the Kane character is infected, etc. The Parker character is still a man more concerned with his end of the bargain, and on, [I think Giler and Hill rounded out Melkonis/Lambert a lot more, or at least shaped her character].
Kudos to Giler and Hill for Ash and the Company, though their script was also pulled back a little - in their draft, the Company created the Alien themselves, there was no real, truly 'alien' presence in the movie at all. Further drafts excised this [actually, it would have been dropped due to budget, but Scott was focused on showing the pyramid, not the Company Cylinder. O'Bannon recalled that when Scott read the original script he wanted to go back to the original idea ie pyramid. But the budget and time concerns nixed that idea].
Ideally, the credit should include all of their names. According to O'Bannon on the Anthology, he expressed the idea that it should, but Hill was dismissive. The two producers don't help themselves much by being constantly slanderous towards the guy, whereas O'Bannon praises those around him that helped out with the story [Shusett, Cobb]. I can see why he'd hold a grudge towards the two. I probably would. And of course, Giler and Hill pulled the same thing on Cameron with his Aliens treatment, bumping his name to third and taking all of the money for it: Walter and David got a check for my treatment, and I got nothing. I was pretty pissed off about that one - James Cameron.
It's a dirty biz'ness.
Filthy mind velociraptors. They hunt in twos.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 28, 2011, 06:45:42 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 28, 2011, 06:31:31 AM
Both version have monsters eating people. One version portrays this in a believable way.
Which one, cos I've clearly never read it, and it clearly never made it to the screen.
Eating, killing, mercing. All the same shit in the hood.
QuoteHad O'bannon's "script" made the movies,
Why the quotation marks? Is this some critical elitism where something can't be given a particular label unless it reaches some arbitrary level of quality?
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Because I'd figure you mofo's wouldn't get caught up on the label "story" vs "script" in the first place anyways.
The credits should read: O'bannon story, Giler & Hill script.
no prequel...... (cries until eyes fall out)
The prequel was aborted ? Good news ! It was meant to fail anyway. Leave the saga to rest, it should have ended at 3.
Actually, there are only 3 Aliens movies to me. The rest should have never existed.
I'm glad the whole Derelict part of the plot will remain a mystery. That's what made its charm.
Quote from: WeaN on Feb 09, 2011, 07:43:18 PM
The prequel was aborted ? Good news ! It was meant to fail anyway. Leave the saga to rest, it should have ended at 3.
Actually, there are only 3 Aliens movies to me. The rest should have never existed.
I'm glad the whole Derelict part of the plot will remain a mystery. That's what made its charm.
You're right, there are only three Alien movies: Alien, Aliens, and AVP. ;) (Okay, I'll give
Alien Cubed and
Alien Resurrection one chance,
one, you hear me fans?)
AVPR just flat out sucked, and not even hard enough to be enjoyably bad, thus making it even worse.
If a/the prequel is going to succeed, then it's got to return to the mystery of the original installment, that
2001-ish atmosphere, one awed, mystified, afraid, and excited at the same time about exploring the vast, open universe....
Only then can the film succeed, by making us wonder.
Quote from: Peakius BaragoniusYou're right, there are only three Alien movies: Alien, Aliens, and AVP. ;)
Please. AvP can't even begin to compare to Alien³ ... there's a lot more to it than meets the eye. People were just expecting Aliens 2 and so were disappointed.
This movie had a really interesting artistic direction, and awesome characters. And its (theatrical) ending was spot on, as far as I'm concerned.
As for Resurection... I'd say it had a good director and actors, but too much of a flawed plot for them to make up for. Also, the ending looks like something they made up at the last minute.
I guess this was debated enough already ...
I just think prequels are usually a bad idea (just look at Star Wars...), it takes a lot of skill and luck to have it not fail. Even if Scott made a masterpiece back then, it doesn't mean he still has it.
Oh well ... we'll never get to check anyway. At least not any soon.
Quote from: WeaN on Feb 10, 2011, 01:22:22 AM
its (theatrical) ending was spot on, as far as I'm concerned.
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I'm with you there. I love the Assembly Cut to pieces, but we
need to see that chestburster emerge at the end.
I don't think so.
I'm with Fincher, her death is more symbolic if she sacrifices herself without the Alien emerging.
That way she isn't just doing it because there is no time for the company to remove it.
Its just pure sacrifice in the Assembly Cut.
The theatrical cut is the best of both worlds.
QuoteThe credits should read: O'bannon story, Giler & Hill script.
So Ronnie S gets shafted?
O'Bannon and Shussett for story; Giler, Hill and O'Bannon for the script.
Quote from: WeaN on Feb 10, 2011, 01:22:22 AM
Quote from: Peakius BaragoniusYou're right, there are only three Alien movies: Alien, Aliens, and AVP. ;)
Please. AvP can't even begin to compare to Alien³ ... there's a lot more to it than meets the eye. People were just expecting Aliens 2 and so were disappointed.
This movie had a really interesting artistic direction, and awesome characters. And its (theatrical) ending was spot on, as far as I'm concerned.
As for Resurection... I'd say it had a good director and actors, but too much of a flawed plot for them to make up for. Also, the ending looks like something they made up at the last minute.
I guess this was debated enough already ...
I just think prequels are usually a bad idea (just look at Star Wars...), it takes a lot of skill and luck to have it not fail. Even if Scott made a masterpiece back then, it doesn't mean he still has it.
Oh well ... we'll never get to check anyway. At least not any soon.
Alien3 was good, but the main thing that made me hate it was the fact that they killed off Hicks and Newt at the start.
Aliens had such a good ending with the 4 of them surviving and all.
Alien 3 killed it all. Ruined the franchise for me.
Hicks and Newt aren't, weren't, never have been, and never will be, "the franchise".
But they are and will always be generally-loved characters that Alien3 just made short work of.
Quote from: samoht on Feb 10, 2011, 07:11:22 AM
Alien3 was good, but the main thing that made me hate it was the fact that they killed off Hicks and Newt at the start.
Aliens had such a good ending with the 4 of them surviving and all.
Alien 3 killed it all. Ruined the franchise for me.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 10, 2011, 02:10:24 PM
But they are and will always be generally-loved characters that Alien3 just made short work of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOPZMLwnKa0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOPZMLwnKa0#)
I can't stand it that everyone complains about Hicks and Newt getting killed. They died, so what? It added to the dark tone of the movie. What do you want, Ripley and Hicks get married, adopt Newt, skip happily through a meadow shooting aliens, proving that good will always overcome evil, and that everyone will live happily ever after? Is that what you want? It's an ALIEN film, not Disney. The series is about what Ripley lost and had to sacrifice to stop the company from getting the Xenomorphs.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 10, 2011, 08:13:24 AM
Hicks and Newt aren't, weren't, never have been, and never will be, "the franchise".
They were for the original version of the Aliens comics by Dark Horse.
I still miss them. :'(
Quote from: SiL on Feb 10, 2011, 08:13:24 AM
Hicks and Newt aren't, weren't, never have been, and never will be, "the franchise".
You're right, though I don't feel that Ripley was either.
Quote from: DiabloGuapo on Feb 10, 2011, 05:35:16 PM
I can't stand it that everyone complains about Hicks and Newt getting killed. They died, so what? It added to the dark tone of the movie. What do you want, Ripley and Hicks get married, adopt Newt, skip happily through a meadow shooting aliens, proving that good will always overcome evil, and that everyone will live happily ever after? Is that what you want? It's an ALIEN film, not Disney. The series is about what Ripley lost and had to sacrifice to stop the company from getting the Xenomorphs.
Yeah, 'cause that was the only option for the story to go. Aliens was about what Ripley lost and rebuilding a life from that. Alien 3 was about rehashing the whole trauma and, on the account of the writers and Weaver, just ending the damn franchise.
Quote from: DiabloGuapo on Feb 10, 2011, 05:35:16 PM
I can't stand it that everyone complains about Hicks and Newt getting killed. They died, so what? It added to the dark tone of the movie. What do you want, Ripley and Hicks get married, adopt Newt, skip happily through a meadow shooting aliens, proving that good will always overcome evil, and that everyone will live happily ever after? Is that what you want? It's an ALIEN film, not Disney. The series is about what Ripley lost and had to sacrifice to stop the company from getting the Xenomorphs.
We don't want that. They can kill of both Hicks and maybe even Ripley if they wanted, just don't kill Newt.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 10, 2011, 06:22:09 PM
Quote from: DiabloGuapo on Feb 10, 2011, 05:35:16 PM
I can't stand it that everyone complains about Hicks and Newt getting killed. They died, so what? It added to the dark tone of the movie. What do you want, Ripley and Hicks get married, adopt Newt, skip happily through a meadow shooting aliens, proving that good will always overcome evil, and that everyone will live happily ever after? Is that what you want? It's an ALIEN film, not Disney. The series is about what Ripley lost and had to sacrifice to stop the company from getting the Xenomorphs.
We don't want that. They can kill of both Hicks and maybe even Ripley if they wanted, just don't kill Newt.
What? I think the only real problem comes in the way that it is done in which case there is no real build up, or dramatic moment- they just f**king crash, and that's that. Magically, Ripley survives. And ironically, I think it would have been a more entertaining movie to see Hicks survive, and Ripley and Newt die earlier, but in a way that at least had a dramatic tone. As for the rest of the movie? I found it to be quite good.
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Yeah, 'cause that was the only option for the story to go. Aliens was about what Ripley lost and rebuilding a life from that. Alien 3 was about rehashing the whole trauma and, on the account of the writers and Weaver, just ending the damn franchise.
Sounds like more of that eighties generic hollywood commonstance bullshit to me.
Could Newt and Hicks deaths had more weight in Alien 3? Yeah. But Ripley, Newt, and Hicks running around as the Untouchables in the Alien Universe would've been more damaging to the franchise than James Cameron's sentry guns. We don't need invincible characters in the Alien universe. Thats what made the original so great. Nobody had script immunity. The three of them retiring in the sunset would've been too perfect. Something that would seem entirely out of place in the Alien universe.
By the third film, even Ripley's luck had run out.
I infinately prefer the third film to that happy go lucky bullshit. It feels real. It feels grounded in reality. It fits the franchise.
Or maybe people prefer the ending that if I go to McDonald's I can see Hicks feeding Newt a Chicken Nugget while Ripley opens her kid's meal toy like nothing happened. Because thats believable.
Alan Dean Foster, author of the Alien 3 novelization, wanted to have it so that Newt also survives the crash, but her cryotube was too badly damaged for her to be awoken safely so they had to keep her in suspended animation until technology upgraded enough to remove her; this would have added extra value to Ripley's resolve to destroy the Alien.
It could have added more weight to Ripley's sacrifice if saving Newt was on the cards. It would have given a likeable face to the people she's saving - all we see of humanity in Alien 3 is a bunch of crims and the corporate wetworks.
And of course Ripley, who represented the very best humanity had to offer in Alien 3.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 11, 2011, 12:45:04 AM
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Yeah, 'cause that was the only option for the story to go. Aliens was about what Ripley lost and rebuilding a life from that. Alien 3 was about rehashing the whole trauma and, on the account of the writers and Weaver, just ending the damn franchise.
Sounds like more of that eighties generic hollywood commonstance bullshit to me.
Could Newt and Hicks deaths had more weight in Alien 3? Yeah. But Ripley, Newt, and Hicks running around as the Untouchables in the Alien Universe would've been more damaging to the franchise than James Cameron's sentry guns. We don't need invincible characters in the Alien universe. Thats what made the original so great. Nobody had script immunity. The three of them retiring in the sunset would've been too perfect. Something that would seem entirely out of place in the Alien universe.
By the third film, even Ripley's luck had run out.
I infinately prefer the third film to that happy go lucky bullshit. It feels real. It feels grounded in reality. It fits the franchise.
Or maybe people prefer the ending that if I go to McDonald's I can see Hicks feeding Newt a Chicken Nugget while Ripley opens her kid's meal toy like nothing happened. Because thats believable.
I'm at a loss for words.
That came off as a bit harsh.
I supposse I'm just tired of the hollywood generic ending that gets constantly slapped on any series longer than two movies. It's contrived. It's old. It's cliche. It's predictable.
I'm thankful for something that at least tries to be different.
I went into Alien 3 with all my previous movie knowledge telling me that Hicks, Ripley and Newt were going to survive. Imagine the kick in the nuts I got at the beggining of the film. By the end of the movie the story had taken so many turns that I wasnt even close to my original projection of what was going to happen (I saw all these movies before internet kids).
Nobody predicted that. Nobody predicted Ripley killing the queen to save humanity by sacrificing herself.
It's different. The Alien itself had become stale, but the drama itself had been revitalized with some interesting takes. In otherwords it was a complete 180 of what I expected it to be. And what I originally expected seems to be what most everybody else wants it to be. With a minimalized Alien threat in the background nuked by Ripley and her team of do gooders as they rediscover the joys of humanity while sailing toward a promising new terraformed world to start anew.
Blech.
I think the way they were killed off was lazy. they could have played it much classier, and speaking about script immunity; why did Ripley's pod survived? the rest got crushed, but she, even though hers was broken just like Newt's, didn't drown.
Whose alive at the end of Alien 3?
Ripley's pod was smashed. If water got in through the hole it could just as easily get out. Newt's tube would've filled slower because it was cracked and therefore not " broken just like Newt's". As such it would've emptied slower.
"Ergo, she drowned."
QuoteIt's contrived. It's old. It's cliche. It's predictable.
The same could also be said of other horror series, where the survivor of the previous film is bumped off in the first few minutes of the sequel.
That said, I immediately rationalised the carnage at the start of Alien3 as "This universe is a cruel and nasty place".
Where safety beams kill.
Give me Gibson or give me death.
Ironic safety beam is ironic.
And Gibson's script with the spores was shithouse.
Spores sucked. But the way the characters were handled worked for me.
Been too long for me to remember much beyond the shitty spores.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 11, 2011, 12:45:04 AM
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Yeah, 'cause that was the only option for the story to go. Aliens was about what Ripley lost and rebuilding a life from that. Alien 3 was about rehashing the whole trauma and, on the account of the writers and Weaver, just ending the damn franchise.
Sounds like more of that eighties generic hollywood commonstance bullshit to me.
Could Newt and Hicks deaths had more weight in Alien 3? Yeah. But Ripley, Newt, and Hicks running around as the Untouchables in the Alien Universe would've been more damaging to the franchise than James Cameron's sentry guns. We don't need invincible characters in the Alien universe. Thats what made the original so great. Nobody had script immunity. The three of them retiring in the sunset would've been too perfect. Something that would seem entirely out of place in the Alien universe.
By the third film, even Ripley's luck had run out.
I infinately prefer the third film to that happy go lucky bullshit. It feels real. It feels grounded in reality. It fits the franchise.
Or maybe people prefer the ending that if I go to McDonald's I can see Hicks feeding Newt a Chicken Nugget while Ripley opens her kid's meal toy like nothing happened. Because thats believable.
Or, you know, not find a contrived way to have Ripley wake up around an Alien again. No idea why everyone assumes Alien 3 with Hicks/Newt would be a happy space adventure. Die or be the Jetsons? Talk about a false dilemna. The one thing Alien 3 did need was a little more weight. You couldn't have known who most of the characters were if they were wearing nametags.
Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2011, 03:47:57 AM
Been too long for me to remember much beyond the shitty spores.
It was a first draft, it obviously needed work. Gibson got Ripley and Newt out of the way in a way that was believable enough and shifted the focus to Hicks and Bishop instead. The script is dated by the Cold War references, but it's still a good read, and personally, I prefer it to what we got.
Helps that I'm a Gibson die-hard, though. Plenty of bias here.
@ Val
But then again, the story of Alien 3 had become Ripley centric, thanks to James Cameron's use of the Ripley character as the centerpiece for Aliens.
You didn't need to pay attention to anybody besides Clemens, Morse, Dillon, 85, and Ripley. Since Ripley has now become the series primary character and the others there merely help her story for the third film come to an apex and close.
Alien 3 took it a step further and made it a story arc. That said Alien 3 isn't about all those other characters. Its about whether a person would sacrifice their life for the good of a whole. Even if they don't deserve it. You don't need to have that many characters to tell that story. The disposables were merely there to show the threat of the Alien and of the collateral damage caused by rampant unchecked capitalism.
Ripley in alien 3 is just a representation of the best of mankind. The Alien is merely the tool that would cause the fall of mankind should the true series villian (the company) get its hands on it to pop a few dollars.
On a sidenote: I'm also fond of the Gibson Alien script, but not as an Alien movie. The changing of the species ability to do things they didn't originally is one of the things that led to the fall of the EU media. If you can't make the same creatures dangerous in the future, don't add random shit to make them more dangerous. Stop writing about them. They'll become something they aren't otherwise.
Definately think it could've worked as something else though. It reads somewhat like Dead Space (except the virus can change living host instead of reviving dead ones) now that I think of it.
QuoteNo idea why everyone assumes Alien 3 with Hicks/Newt would be a happy space adventure.
Natural progression from the family unit Cambo created.
Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2011, 04:07:49 AM
QuoteNo idea why everyone assumes Alien 3 with Hicks/Newt would be a happy space adventure.
Natural progression from the family unit Cambo created.
Of course the family unit would progress. But that in NO WAY indicates it would have been a live-action Disney-type film, I mean seriously,
where do you guys get these whacked-out ideas just because you feel the need to bash Aliens
in order to justify Alien Cubed? I mean,
come on!!!
Spoiler
Disclaimer: Not intending to start a war here ;)
If it wasn't going to be a happy ending movie it was going to be a sad ending movie like Alien 3........
I don't dislike Aliens. I hold it pretty much on an even tier with Alien 3. The original smokes both of them by a mile though.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 11, 2011, 04:01:00 AM
@ Val
But then again, the story of Alien 3 had become Ripley centric, thanks to James Cameron's use of the Ripley character as the centerpiece for Aliens.
Alien 3 became Ripley-centric because the head of FOX was playing it safe by having an established star. Everyone else tried writing in a new lead hero.
QuoteSince Ripley has now become the series primary character and the others there merely help her story for the third film come to an apex and close.
Or, you know, assume it was done it by the end of the second movie and give us someone new. Ripley was rehashed and off-kilter for so much of Alien 3, and then essentiallly thrust and bullied into allying herself with child molesters [so I won't buy the "she's redeeming them"], and then given no sane choice to remain alive, [so no "she gave her life for everyone." Gave
what life?]. But let's not pretend Ripley returned to finish her 'story'. Everyong involved either says outright or alludes that the pay cheque brought the character back.
QuoteAlien 3 took it a step further and made it a story arc. That said Alien 3 isn't about all those other characters. Its about whether a person would sacrifice their life for the good of a whole. Even if they don't deserve it. You don't need to have that many characters to tell that story. The disposables were merely there to show the threat of the Alien and of the collateral damage caused by rampant unchecked capitalism.
Except there was many characters. And every moment spent on even the most insignificant one of them was wasted seconds. We don't need gore shots to see how deadly the Alien is. We've been through two movies. Alien 3 wants us to divert attention from its flaws and exaggerate its rather limited strengths.
'There are people, who shall remain nameless, that I was bumping into as I was trying to put this thing [Alien 3] together who put the whole experience into a really interesting perspective. They would say, "Look, you could have somebody piss against the wall for two hours and call it Alien 3 and it would still do 30 million dollars worth of business." That's the impetus to make these movies, you can't keep the people away.'
David Fincher.QuoteRipley in alien 3 is just a representation of the best of mankind. The Alien is merely the tool that would cause the fall of mankind should the true series villian (the company) get its hands on it to pop a few dollars.
I absolutely disagree. The 'best of mankind' is bullied into every decison she seems to make [even Lance Henriksen acted expressed that he thought the character was off]. The rest is already expressed through the first and second movie.
QuoteAlien 3 became Ripley-centric because the head of FOX was playing it safe by having an established star. Everyone else tried writing in a new lead hero.
You only need to look at the generic nature of the multitude of Alien 3 scripts to realize this was an terrible idea. Every nonripley script released was WAY below subpar. Gibson's was the only one with any sort of interesting ideas at all.
QuoteOr, you know, assume it was done it by the end of the second movie and give us someone new. Ripley was rehashed and off-kilter for so much of Alien 3, and then essentiallly thrust and bullied into allying herself with child molesters [so I won't buy the "she's redeeming them"], and then given no sane choice to remain alive, [so no "she gave her life for everyone." Gave what life?]. But let's not pretend Ripley returned to finish her 'story'. Everyong involved either says outright or alludes that the pay cheque brought the character back.
Never said once she redeemed them. At the end of the day they are still child molesters. Ripley is the one that does the sacrifice.
Given no sane choice to remain alive? I guess parents that lose kids to vehicle accidents should just commit suicide because they have no reason to remain alive either? Not everybody has such a pussweak disposition towards death when the going gets tough.
I also laugh at the notion that the check brought Ripley back. The check also brought Ripley back for Aliens. To look at one and not the other in this notion is completely biased toward a pro aliens slant. Cameron wrote her in so she could continue the story of the first and was worried that Fox wouldn't be able to meet her demands for pay. The EXACT same reasons she joined, and the EXACT same reasons her character was written, was used for BOTH movies.
Likewise you probably understand in hollywood your suppossed to turn a profit. Arthouse direction is nice, but they work on only a fraction of the budget. Your in it to make money. ALL parties from ALL teams involved with the franchise. Including mighty Cameron.
Thats weak man.
QuoteExcept there was many characters. And every moment spent on even the most insignificant one of them was wasted seconds. We don't need gore shots to see how deadly the Alien is. We've been through two movies. Alien 3 wants us to divert attention from its flaws and exaggerate its rather limited strengths
What purpose did characters like Spunkmeir, Crowe and Weirzbowski have in Aliens? They were there as essentially plot pieces to further the action. Alien 3 did have alot more. But generic characters put on board script for death isn't used first in Alien 3.
QuoteI absolutely disagree. The 'best of mankind' is bullied into every decison she seems to make [even Lance Henriksen acted expressed that he thought the character was off]. The rest is already expressed through the first and second movie.
How was she bullied? She's the one in charge. Even super prisoner badass Dillon leaves leadership to her. She works with them because they are the only option she has to stop the Alien and the Company from obtaining it.
Using Lance Henrickson as a reference to this movies is a little bit like using Dan O'bannon or David Fincher. Henrickson has been involved with several terrible iterations with the Alien franchise. Starting with AvP and finishing with the AvP2010 game. He can say what he wants to about the terrible direction they took the Ripley character in, but he continues to join multiple halfassed projects involving the Alien mythos.
Likewise for every objective comment you get from O'bannon or Fincher, you get twelve more comments aimed at the Giler/Hill or the studio involvement that you can no longer say they give a nonslanted opinion towards the films that they were involved in.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 13, 2011, 10:24:31 PM
You only need to look at the generic nature of the multitude of Alien 3 scripts to realize this was an terrible idea. Every nonripley script released was WAY below subpar. Gibson's was the only one with any sort of interesting ideas at all.
You mean a script that was actually
written had some interesting ideas? Seemed like a good start. Walter Hill hiimself has said the Alien 3 script by himself was no good, the whole thing a 'complete f**king mess'.
QuoteNever said once she redeemed them. At the end of the day they are still child molesters. Ripley is the one that does the sacrifice.
Then the entire tunnel sequence depicting the individual fates of the prisoners was a massive waste of time.
QuoteGiven no sane choice to remain alive? I guess parents that lose kids to vehicle accidents should just commit suicide because they have no reason to remain alive either? Not everybody has such a pussweak disposition towards death when the going gets tough.
Entire family, biological or adopted dead [suffered twice], Earthly prospects wiped out. A lot of people do kill themselves over these things. Your example of a parent losing a child or children is pretty pussweak. Wipe out their entire family and every friend they can count
twice.
QuoteI also laugh at the notion that the check brought Ripley back. The check also brought Ripley back for Aliens. To look at one and not the other in this notion is completely biased toward a pro aliens slant. Cameron wrote her in so she could continue the story of the first and was worried that Fox wouldn't be able to meet her demands for pay. The EXACT same reasons she joined, and the EXACT same reasons her character was written, was used for BOTH movies.
'I didn't want to do Aliens just to make money for 20th Century FOX ... I didn't want to do a sequel unless we all felt that there was something else that needed said about it.'
Sigourney Weaver.
'The impetus for the third film was primarily the huge success of Aliens.'
Sigourney Weaver.Says the man who
co-wrote the movie:
Everyone wanted to make the sequel to Aliens, kinda except us.No idea where how you come up with your last conclusion there. Ripley was in Aliens because Cameron wrote her into it, when FOX demanded a Ripley-less script after Weaver's asking price, Cameron refused to do so. With Alien 3, Ripley was in because Joe Roth demanded it. Weaver has always said how wary she was of Aliens until she read the script, and how she was reluctant to do Alien 3 because her character had been explored enough. Not hard to deduce that her sudden 180 on the matter was influence with her pay-or-play contract, co-producer credit, etc.
QuoteLikewise you probably understand in hollywood your suppossed to turn a profit. Arthouse direction is nice, but they work on only a fraction of the budget. Your in it to make money. ALL parties from ALL teams involved with the franchise. Including mighty Cameron.
'If Jim Cameron hadn't fallen in love with something about Alien, then a sequel wouldn't have been made. No one really wanted to touch it ... Luckily, Jim wanted to make his own movie.'
Sigourney Weaver.'I'd always had this naive idea that everybody wants to make movies as good as they can be, which is stupid. So I learned on this movie [Alien 3] that nobody really knows, so therefore no one has to care, so it's always going to be your fault. I'd always thought, "Well, surely you don't want to have the Twentieth Century Fox logo over a shitty movie." And they were like, "Well, as long as it opens."'
David Fincher.In the first case, FOX didn't really care all too much. During Aliens' development, most of their eggs were in another basket [Space Camp]. Then Aliens hit big. In the second, they cared too much and pushed for a sequel and, as Fincher says, it affected the entire movie.
'There are people, who shall remain nameless, that I was bumping into as I was trying to put this thing [Alien 3] together who put the whole experience into a really interesting perspective. They would say, "Look, you could have somebody piss against the wall for two hours and call it Alien 3 and it would still do 30 million dollars worth of business." That's the impetus to make these movies, you can't keep the people away.'
David Fincher.QuoteThats weak man.
What.
QuoteWhat purpose did characters like Spunkmeir, Crowe and Weirzbowski have in Aliens? They were there as essentially plot pieces to further the action. Alien 3 did have alot more. But generic characters put on board script for death isn't used first in Alien 3.
How much screentime did these Aliens characters
actually have? The Alien 3 prisoners dominate an
entire movie.
QuoteHow was she bullied? She's the one in charge. Even super prisoner badass Dillon leaves leadership to her. She works with them because they are the only option she has to stop the Alien and the Company from obtaining it.
If Ripley had her way, she would have died immediately after discovering she was impregnated. Dillon roughs her up and makes her agree to killing the Alien first. She's his tool, that's all. Dillon cares about killing the creature, not euthanising Ripley, and vice versa, it seems. We see this when Dillon stays behind in the lead works. Later, the Company don't hide the fact very well that they're after the Alien and may dispose of Ripley regardless of getting the Alien or not. Her entire family and every person she has met in her life is dead, either naturally or slaughtered, and she's spent the last 20 minutes of the film feeling the pangs of 'birth'. Plunging herself into the lead was almost easy.
QuoteUsing Lance Henrickson as a reference to this movies is a little bit like using Dan O'bannon or David Fincher. Henrickson has been involved with several terrible iterations with the Alien franchise. Starting with AvP and finishing with the AvP2010 game. He can say what he wants to about the terrible direction they took the Ripley character in, but he continues to join multiple halfassed projects involving the Alien mythos.
Don't care what he's been involved in, other than he was involved with movie in question. Resorting to a near
ad hominem is bad argument.
QuoteLikewise for every objective comment you get from O'bannon or Fincher, you get twelve more comments aimed at the Giler/Hill or the studio involvement that you can no longer say they give a nonslanted opinion towards the films that they were involved in.
What?
QuoteYou mean a script that was actually written had some interesting ideas? Seemed like a good start. Walter Hill hiimself has said the Alien 3 script by himself was no good, the whole thing a 'complete f**king mess'.
A finished product would've been subject to the same tamperings via fox. You know this.
QuoteThen the entire tunnel sequence depicting the individual fates of the prisoners was a massive waste of time.
That's rather like saying the first hive battle in Aliens was a complete waste of time, since we have no name knockoff characters dying here as well. These Marines dominated the film as much as Ripley just as the prisoners did and Ripley did in the second.
QuoteEntire family, biological or adopted dead [suffered twice], Earthly prospects wiped out. A lot of people do kill themselves over these things. Your example of a parent losing a child or children is pretty pussweak. Wipe out their entire family and every friend they can count twice.
LOLZ. Hold the phone. People dying of old age is quite different than your own kid being killed in a violent accident. Ripelys daughter has a chance of happiness. As did any earth or colony based friends.
I wouldn't count the crew of the Nostromo as being anything more than coworkers for the most part. She seems particularly annoyed at Parker + Brett. Doubt she wished death on either, but they weren't people she shared her soul with. Hicks and Newt were close bonds. That lasted a couple of days.
Different people do things different ways. That's a fact. Some are stronger than others.
QuoteNo idea where how you come up with your last conclusion there. Ripley was in Aliens because Cameron wrote her into it, when FOX demanded a Ripley-less script after Weaver's asking price, Cameron refused to do so. With Alien 3, Ripley was in because Joe Roth demanded it. Weaver has always said how wary she was of Aliens until she read the script, and how she was reluctant to do Alien 3 because her character had been explored enough. Not hard to deduce that her sudden 180 on the matter was influence with her pay-or-play contract, co-producer credit, etc.
Cameron wrote the script in hopes that Ripley would sign on after Fox offered her the contract. In both instances the contract offered made her a top tier paid actress in Hollywood, and she discussed hesitancy about going back to the film in BOTH instances. The quad/anthology also makes it pretty clear that she thinks every movie in the series has allowed her to explore different aspects to the Ripley character.
QuoteIf Ripley had her way, she would have died immediately after discovering she was impregnated. Dillon roughs her up and makes her agree to killing the Alien first. She's his tool, that's all. Dillon cares about killing the creature, not euthanising Ripley, and vice versa, it seems. We see this when Dillon stays behind in the lead works. Later, the Company don't hide the fact very well that they're after the Alien and may dispose of Ripley regardless of getting the Alien or not. Her entire family and every person she has met in her life is dead, either naturally or slaughtered, and she's spent the last 20 minutes of the film feeling the pangs of 'birth'. Plunging herself into the lead was almost easy.
I don't seem to remember Dillon bullying her into battling the Alien. I seem to remember him saying help us out or f**k yourself. She chose the former because it was beneficial to both of them. Had she wanted to kill herself she could've done it at ANYTIME in the film. Pick the highest balcony in the cellblock and jump off. Easy.
In Aliens the characters weren't "knock-offs," we got to know them and identify them in little ways by observing their characteristics, even if I can't perfectly match each name to each character. In the beginning of the film, we spend time with these guys and see how they respect each other, what the relationships between them are, like the flirting between Vasquez and Drake, the familiarity and one-liners between Hicks and Frost, and the more minor friendships. I haven't seen Alien Cubed yet so I can't compare the character development in there, but as a rule of thumb I rather think a group of friendly soldiers is easier to identify with than a planetful of rapists and murderers, regardless of how well they're developed. As a result, when the first fight scene comes, there are a lot of background soldiers who were dragged to their doom, but at the same time you have Apone, Drake, Frost, and the others who are easily recognizable at this point being dragged to their doom; the audience does (in theory) care.
it doesn't really matter what you preffer. they were characters alright.
Quote from: Peakius Baragonius on Feb 14, 2011, 01:18:29 AM
In Aliens the characters weren't "knock-offs," we got to know them and identify them in little ways by observing their characteristics, even if I can't perfectly match each name to each character. In the beginning of the film, we spend time with these guys and see how they respect each other, what the relationships between them are, like the flirting between Vasquez and Drake, the familiarity and one-liners between Hicks and Frost, and the more minor friendships. I haven't seen Alien Cubed yet so I can't compare the character development in there, but as a rule of thumb I rather think a group of friendly soldiers is easier to identify with than a planetful of rapists and murderers, regardless of how well they're developed. As a result, when the first fight scene comes, there are a lot of background soldiers who were dragged to their doom, but at the same time you have Apone, Drake, Frost, and the others who are easily recognizable at this point being dragged to their doom; the audience does (in theory) care.
You observe "characteristics" in both the prisoners and Marines. That doesn't make them well rounded.
Both cast have characters there to just futher the action and show what kind of menace they are dealing with. Weirzbowski and Crowe don't even have any onscreen dialogue.
It's hard to develop multiple characters. That's why most movies don't. I don't even have a problem with it because both cast served their purpose in both movies. BUT, lets not say that Aliens isn't guilty of doing the same thing Alien 3 was.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 14, 2011, 12:43:24 AM
A finished product would've been subject to the same tamperings via fox. You know this.
Doesn't matter, the script provided for the final movie was already, by the accounts of the writers, lacklustre. TYou seem to think I'm arguing that any of the pre-Alien 3 Alien III scripts were any better. They weren't. Neither the addition nor subtraction Ripley helped.
QuoteThat's rather like saying the first hive battle in Aliens was a complete waste of time, since we have no name knockoff characters dying here as well. These Marines dominated the film as much as Ripley just as the prisoners did and Ripley did in the second.
Except the Marines were written to be
endearing. People cared when they died. And the simply tag of 'murderer' 'rapist' or 'child molester' goes a
long way in the audience's mind.
QuoteLOLZ. Hold the phone. People dying of old age is quite different than your own kid being killed in a violent accident. Ripelys daughter has a chance of happiness. As did any earth or colony based friends.
LOLZ. Ripley wouldn't care that they died happily in their beds, [of course, not that her daughter did - she died of cancer, never knowing what happened to her mother. People today die in their beds anguishing over the unknown fates of close relatives.] Ripley's mental anguish is, as is a lot of personal pain, subjective to herself. The other side to Ripley's trauma, as explained by Weaver, is that A] She lost her entire life, her entire world, and B] She had suffered an understandably traumatic event and had everything [job, title, credibility] stripped. Many people lose themselves over this alone.
'The emotional content is much greater in Aliens. I tried to imagine and comprehend something like that ... Coming back to a whole different world and haunted by the other one. Ripley's personal situation is so bleak. I know I'm playing the same character, but I feel she has changed so utterly by what happens to her early in the film.'
Sigourney Weaver.'I started the synopsis we gave to FOX with the line, "Sometimes, survival is not enough." Ripley survived her first encounter with the Alien, but this film takes her to the point where she's probably ready to blow her brains out because that's what it can be like ... The whole idea of a little girl is the 'light at the end of the tunnel' concept. If Ripley was going to go into it alone and survive another encounter with these organisms after I've set up in the first act that the first time completely destroyed her life, then that's not going to be a satisfying ending. There must be a sense that, when she comes through the fire this time, it's an end to a cycle, she will have the tools to go on. So, the relationship with the little girl is absolutely critical.'
James Cameron, Starlog, 1986.After Aliens, after rebuilding her life, this is all destroyed yet again. Don't tell me that it's not understandable that someone would find suicide to be an attractive option.
QuoteI wouldn't count the crew of the Nostromo as being anything more than coworkers for the most part. She seems particularly annoyed at Parker + Brett. Doubt she wished death on either, but they weren't people she shared her soul with. Hicks and Newt were close bonds. That lasted a couple of days.
Doesn't matter what you count. The film-makers and actors feel and intend differently.
'Ripley still feels respnosible for what happened on the Nostromo. She has a feeling that she could have done more to help the crew to survive. It's nonsense of course; but she can't help thinking that she could have done a better job.'
Sigourney Weaver.As for the importance of the Newt relationship, see quote above,
the 'light at the end of the tunnel' concept.QuoteCameron wrote the script in hopes that Ripley would sign on after Fox offered her the contract.
No, Cameron wrote the script thinking Weaver was already in the know.
QuoteIn both instances the contract offered made her a top tier paid actress in Hollywood, and she discussed hesitancy about going back to the film in BOTH instances.
Her hesitance in relation to Aliens was
'I didn't want to do a sequel unless we all felt that there was something else that needed said about it. I had a frank talk with the producer, Gale Anne Hurd, about the director, Jim Cameron, before the film started and I felt their purpose in doing it was their own. Not to cash in on the success of the first but [because] there was something in that story they wanted to finish. They certainly don't intend to duplicate the first, which has a kind of eerie majesty to it. This one is completely different. Ours is much more action [orientated] and, hopefully, more personal.'Weaver has never said explicitly what changed her mind about Alien 3. But she WAS offered a massive amount of money [enough fo HR Giger to complain about it in an interview], a co-producer credit, a % of the film's gross, anda pay-or-play contract, ie, once hired, FOX couldn't do a thing to her without paying her, including firing her. I trust her co-star to have noticed her sentiments on the movie, and I think it's noteworthy that, in the absence for Weaver's stark explanation of taking on Alien 3, Charles Dance explained:
'I don't think -and I could be talking completely out of my arse here- that Sigourney wanted to do another one, but she was paid quite a sum of money.'
QuoteI don't seem to remember Dillon bullying her into battling the Alien. I seem to remember him saying help us out or f**k yourself. She chose the former because it was beneficial to both of them. Had she wanted to kill herself she could've done it at ANYTIME in the film. Pick the highest balcony in the cellblock and jump off. Easy.
Throwing her against the bars and seething in her face, whilst essentially blackmailing her into helping deal with the Alien, seems bullying to me. She couldn't have taken her own life because, as I'm sure she explains, she's afraid too. She doesn't have it in her.
You do come to work prepared.
But Sigourney has made just as many pro Alien 3 quotes in her career as she has pro Aliens ones. The truth of the matter is that she's always seems to have been a bit of a mercenary. Aliens made her a top tier actress in terms of pay in Hwood. Alien 3 had her sitting aboard the top at the time. As did Alien Res. The fact she asked for extra money to have her head shaved speaks to her quiet Blackwater negotiation skills.
If your going to say she stopped playing hard to get because of the contract offered to her in Alien 3, then you have to look at it the same way in Aliens. Of course she's going to say she went with Aliens because of the script. She doesn't want to seem greedy. I'm sure that a lister pay had nothing to do with it.
Just like she said her interest in Alien 3 was to do things with the Ripley character she hadn't yet done. I don't have the exact quotes in my epic quote library, but I'm sure its on the Anthology extra features, and I'm sure I could get SM to post som relevant quotations.
QuoteLOLZ. Ripley wouldn't care that they died happily in their beds, [of course, not that her daughter did - she died of cancer, never knowing what happened to her mother. People today die in their beds anguishing over the unknown fates of close relatives.] Ripley's mental anguish is, as is a lot of personal pain, subjective to herself. The other side to Ripley's trauma, as explained by Weaver, is that A] She lost her entire life, her entire world, and B] She had suffered an understandably traumatic event and had everything [job, title, credibility] stripped. Many people lose themselves over this alone.
And many people perservere. I know a guy that died at my work from a heart attack that nearly ripped his heart in two. Later his father died as did his step father (all within weeks of each other). His mother didn't work and all of a sudden had nobody to provide for her. Yet she still goes on today despite the troubles. It's a person by person thing.
QuoteThrowing her against the bars and seething in her face, whilst essentially blackmailing her into helping deal with the Alien, seems bullying to me. She couldn't have taken her own life because, as I'm sure she explains, she's afraid too. She doesn't have it in her.
He only threw her against the bars after she got up seething in his face. See seemd to have it in her when she flung herself into a furnace to burn alive.
QuoteExcept the Marines were written to be endearing. People cared when they died. And the simply tag of 'murderer' 'rapist' or 'child molester' goes a long way in the audience's mind.
The same Marines talking about dumbass colonist, and rescuing colonist daughters virginity? Same Marines who looked on Ripley with disgust? Same Marines who bitched and acted like douches througout the majority of the film?
There wasn't that much endearing about them save for Hicks and maybe a guy like Frost. The rest were top tier assholes.
Even if you did intend to make them endearing it still doesn't mean anything. The waitress for AvPR who gets bellyf**ked was endearing. I don't give two shits about her though because she was only there for a setpiece. Writing endearing characters doesn't make them interesting ones.
QuoteThe fact she asked for extra money to have her head shaved speaks to her quiet Blackwater negotiation skills.
I think that's more down to her future earning capacity while the hair grew back. ie. It's probably cheaper for an actress to have their hair done up for a role, rather than have a wig made up, so she could possibly lose roles through lack of hair.
As for the rest of the argument - been there, done that with Valaquen, and found it to be a waste of effort.
Quote from: SM on Feb 14, 2011, 05:15:08 AM
QuoteThe fact she asked for extra money to have her head shaved speaks to her quiet Blackwater negotiation skills.
I think that's more down to her future earning capacity while the hair grew back. ie. It's probably cheaper for an actress to have their hair done up for a role, rather than have a wig made up, so she could possibly lose roles through lack of hair.
Fair point.
Quote from: SM on Feb 14, 2011, 05:15:08 AM
QuoteThe fact she asked for extra money to have her head shaved speaks to her quiet Blackwater negotiation skills.
I think that's more down to her future earning capacity while the hair grew back. ie. It's probably cheaper for an actress to have their hair done up for a role, rather than have a wig made up, so she could possibly lose roles through lack of hair.
As for the rest of the argument - been there, done that with Valaquen, and found it to be a waste of effort.
With respect to Weaver, she doesn't strike as having been at a point in her career (then) that a lack of roles would have hurt her tremendously.
In what way?
In the couple of years following Alien3 she did 1492, Dave and Death & The Maiden. And who knows what theatre she was doing?
Financially speaking. The Alien moves I'm sure made her boatloads of money, along with the Ghostbusters films so had she taken time off for her hair to grow back, it wouldn't have hurt her.
Maybe not. But on the other hand she may not have wanted her profile to lessen or give people the impression she wasn't available. Or something.
Just to be sure I understood your initial point then. She didn't take time off for the hair to grow back? You said something about having the hair done up.
My point was; she woulda got paid extra to have her head shaved, due to the potential loss of earnings while it grew back (because she may get knocked back for a part due to being bald).
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 14, 2011, 04:52:27 AM
You do come to work prepared.
But Sigourney has made just as many pro Alien 3 quotes in her career as she has pro Aliens ones.
Could you provide examples?
I have gher mainly sticking up for Fincher [saying nothing about the film's quality] and saying of the movie experience: "Um ... we had a lot of laughs ... I liked the dog Alien."
QuoteIf your going to say she stopped playing hard to get because of the contract offered to her in Alien 3, then you have to look at it the same way in Aliens. Of course she's going to say she went with Aliens because of the script. She doesn't want to seem greedy. I'm sure that a lister pay had nothing to do with it.
This is going to come down to our perspectives.
QuoteJust like she said her interest in Alien 3 was to do things with the Ripley character she hadn't yet done. I don't have the exact quotes in my epic quote library, but I'm sure its on the Anthology extra features, and I'm sure I could get SM to post som relevant quotations.
I'd like the see 'em, but I'm still not convinced that Ripley in Alien 3 was radically new.
QuoteAnd many people perservere. I know a guy that died at my work from a heart attack that nearly ripped his heart in two. Later his father died as did his step father (all within weeks of each other). His mother didn't work and all of a sudden had nobody to provide for her. Yet she still goes on today despite the troubles. It's a person by person thing.
It's an incomparable situation. No human has been projected 60 years into the future and pitted against an Alien horde [again], only to have their lives further destroyed. I've known people hurt themselves over pittances. It is a people-by-people thing, but to say that Ripley isn't in anguish after her experiences...
QuoteHe only threw her against the bars after she got up seething in his face. See seemd to have it in her when she flung herself into a furnace to burn alive.
It doesn't matter, she made a demand and was beaten down for it, physically and verbally. Of course she had it in her when she went into the furnace - which I've been arguing, it was the point of no return.
QuoteThe same Marines talking about dumbass colonist, and rescuing colonist daughters virginity? Same Marines who looked on Ripley with disgust? Same Marines who bitched and acted like douches througout the majority of the film?
Err, didn't the Nostromo crew have divisions, made jokes about eating 'something else', treated one another with contempt, bickered throughout the experience etc? The marines have a laugh over breakfast and are suspicious of a woman who returned from a job the only surivor, everyone else dead. Both Weaver and Cameron have commented that the Marines [and others] suspected Ripley of some subterfuge, considering the outlandish story, completely understandable. On the other hand, the prisoners raped women and fondled kids. I know who I'd rather be with.
QuoteThe waitress for AvPR who gets bellyf**ked was endearing.
Really?
Quote from: SM on Feb 15, 2011, 05:04:44 AM
My point was; she woulda got paid extra to have her head shaved, due to the potential loss of earnings while it grew back (because she may get knocked back for a part due to being bald).
I hear you. And in that case, I defer to my original opinion of that being bullocks because she didn't need the extra pay at that point in her career.
Quote from: SM on Feb 14, 2011, 05:15:08 AM
As for the rest of the argument - been there, done that with Valaquen, and found it to be a waste of effort.
... sorry?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 15, 2011, 02:08:07 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 15, 2011, 05:04:44 AM
My point was; she woulda got paid extra to have her head shaved, due to the potential loss of earnings while it grew back (because she may get knocked back for a part due to being bald).
I hear you. And in that case, I defer to my original opinion of that being bullocks because she didn't need the extra pay at that point in her career.
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Either way, her needing or not needing extra pay is completely irrelevant. She wanted more for shaving her head and obviously got it.
Im sure I've seen an interview where she discussed it? And I pretty much know for a fact it's quoted with sources in Alien Quartet?
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 15, 2011, 08:57:59 AM
Could you provide examples?
I have gher mainly sticking up for Fincher [saying nothing about the film's quality] and saying of the movie experience: "Um ... we had a lot of laughs ... I liked the dog Alien."
Which are the only hits I'm getting on google since the Anthology was released. It borders on the Anth discussion as well as her interview she released right before Alien 3 was released. Used to be several more popped up as soon as you typed "Alien 3+sigourney weaver,". But I'm also fairly certain I heard similar comments in either the preproduction phase of the quad or in the Alien Saga release. I'll look at it sometime later, but tomorrow I'll spend all day in Louisville and I still have to get my 2 miles in tonight.
QuoteThis is going to come down to our perspectives.
Probably.
QuoteI'd like the see 'em, but I'm still not convinced that Ripley in Alien 3 was radically new.
There isn't any character in the Alien series that is radically new character wise. But Alien 3 allowed her to explore aspects of the Ripley character she hadn't got to before.
QuoteIt's an incomparable situation. No human has been projected 60 years into the future and pitted against an Alien horde [again], only to have their lives further destroyed. I've known people hurt themselves over pittances. It is a people-by-people thing, but to say that Ripley isn't in anguish after her experiences...
Never said she wasn't in anguish. Simply said she can survive it without killing herself.
QuoteIt doesn't matter, she made a demand and was beaten down for it, physically and verbally. Of course she had it in her when she went into the furnace - which I've been arguing, it was the point of no return.
Beaten down? If Dillon wanted to beat Ripley down she wouldn't be walking. She got in his face. He got in hers. He picked her up, and held her against the bars and then said you can help me or get lost. The choice was hers.
Getting shoved around AFTER you get in people's face doesn't constitute getting beaten down. If he knocked all her teeth out and broke her arm, that'd be a different story. His "verbal assault," would've had no more affect on her character that Morse's comment about shoving her head through a f**king wall did.
QuoteErr, didn't the Nostromo crew have divisions, made jokes about eating 'something else', treated one another with contempt, bickered throughout the experience etc? The marines have a laugh over breakfast and are suspicious of a woman who returned from a job the only surivor, everyone else dead. Both Weaver and Cameron have commented that the Marines [and others] suspected Ripley of some subterfuge, considering the outlandish story, completely understandable. On the other hand, the prisoners raped women and fondled kids. I know who I'd rather be with.
It's not a question over who would you rather be like but rather the disposable nature of certain characters. There were Marines that were there to simply show how badass the Aliens were. Just like there was Prisoners. Alien 3 merely had the quantity. But the story was Ripley's and thus those characters aside from Dillon, Morse, Aaron, and Clemens were just there to further the action. Just like the Marine characters of people like Dietrich, Spunkmeir, Crowe, and Weirzbowski.
QuoteReally?
She seemed like good peeps. She was likeable in the short instance she was in there. Certainly much more so than EITHER Prisoner or Marine, but she wasn't a great character because she was likeable.
So if this movie isn't about alien, what is it about?
Quote from: randy4321 on Feb 22, 2011, 02:11:37 AM
So if this movie isn't about alien, what is it about?
Apparently it's going to be about space jockeys and Aliens only in a different movie setting.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 22, 2011, 02:12:17 AM
Quote from: randy4321 on Feb 22, 2011, 02:11:37 AM
So if this movie isn't about alien, what is it about?
Apparently it's going to be about space jockeys and Aliens only in a different movie setting.
Elaborate? So basically it is a prequel to alien.
it sucks to not have an Alien movie so they can redeem themselves. But they're "essential" to the story of the film. Who knows what that really means though as far as we know it could be the same way a virus is "essential" to a zombie film. You hear two sentences about it then the rest of the film is spent tearing people apart. They're supposedly in the movie but I really hope they redefine the level of malevolence the Alien creature lost after the original film, which kinda worked in the 3rd film but... not quite.
No, it's a film (prequel, possibly) that'll have an Alien. I don't think it's going to be a direct prequel to the film. I'm probably not the best person who can explain this. As far as I know, a lot of people are saying that there will be Aliens and a space jockey in the film. I'm not 100% convinced yet, though.
Here's the synopsis:
'The story takes place in the distant future. There are two superpowers on Earth fighting each other for what's left of the remaining natural resources spread out across the solar system. One of these superpowers have created and sent a giant terraforming ship to a distant planet called Erix. Their hope is to take this living world and reshape it so that humans can live there.
This enormous terraforming spacecraft lands on Erix, a harsh and uninhabitable planet where it dispenses six smaller mobile units called Crawlers which spread across 125 kilometers of the planet and sow seeds which then terraform the planet. And the name of this terraforming spaceship is..."Prometheus." The severity of Erix's indigenous life is notable which are essentially referred to as bio-mechanoid killers.'
That's the synopsis for Shadow 19.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 15, 2011, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 14, 2011, 05:15:08 AM
As for the rest of the argument - been there, done that with Valaquen, and found it to be a waste of effort.
... sorry?
The fact that you and Strange Shape keep futilely attempting to "correct" someone's
opinion based on confabulating out of context quotes on the web versus someone who literally has 1st hand video footage of personages saying directly on camera to the entire world + dog what supports their stance in the first place; and moreover beating the dead horse repeatedly, with the wrong implement no less.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 22, 2011, 04:26:21 AM
That's the synopsis for Shadow 19.
Well, shit. So it seems. I should probably have read that article all the way through. OH WELL.
Quote from: Xhan on Feb 22, 2011, 05:28:29 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 15, 2011, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 14, 2011, 05:15:08 AM
As for the rest of the argument - been there, done that with Valaquen, and found it to be a waste of effort.
... sorry?
The fact that you and Strange Shape keep futilely attempting to "correct" someone's opinion based on confabulating out of context quotes on the web versus someone who literally has 1st hand video footage of personages saying directly on camera to the entire world + dog what supports their stance in the first place; and moreover beating the dead horse repeatedly, with the wrong implement no less.
Wasn't asking a question. Was offering a reluctant apology. And to whatever you're babbling about, and you do babble: sure.
anyone else getting whiplash from the madness?
Quote from: AncientPred on Mar 05, 2011, 09:15:06 PM
anyone else getting whiplash from the madness?
Yeah man, its neck breaking madness alright, I haven't been this confussed on what a movie is ever.
Why make the movie in the first place if they are going 2 screw around with the fans. >:(
Quote from: CavatinaTheXeno on Apr 06, 2011, 04:30:29 AM
Why make the movie in the first place if they are going 2 screw around with the fans. >:(
...to make it more of a surprise when it comes out. As it has been mentioned several times, there is a heavy disinformation campaign being distributed throughout the media. If anything Scott is trying to help fans out by giving them something as shocking as the first Alien. Why would he want to spoil everything for everyone?
Was listening to "Geektime" on Sirius radio now and Damon Lindelof is a guest. When asked about whether Prometheus is really the Alien prequel he basically said again that what he could say was that it has strands of DNA from the Alien universe and he jokingly said a that a FOX lawyer was standing next to him and that was all he could say about the movie. And then he talked about it being in 3D.
Was hoping the host would grill him more on the questions but that was all he said about the DNA thing.
Quote from: vikingspawn on May 06, 2011, 04:43:21 PM
Was listening to "Geektime" on Sirius radio now and Damon Lindelof is a guest. When asked about whether Prometheus is really the Alien prequel he basically said again that what he could say was that it has strands of DNA from the Alien universe and he jokingly said a that a FOX lawyer was standing next to him and that was all he could say about the movie. And then he talked about it being in 3D.
Was hoping the host would grill him more on the questions but that was all he said about the DNA thing.
I would never expect Damon Lindelof to reveal anything. All of us that were fans of
Lost know how good he and Carlton Cuse were at being tight lipped. HaHa.
But, "DNA from the Alien universe" could always refer to the Space Jockey. I think we all know that it is Alien-related now though. Don't think there is much doubt against it. Just about every actor working on the film has said it is.
Even before the Alien prequel was announced, I always imagined that it should have little to do with the exisitng movies. It should feature the Space Jockeys, absolutley. But the Aliens, specifically their life cycle, should not be revealed as it would diminsh the effect of ALIEN. Always been in favour of various other Giger inspired nasties though.
Quote from: Promethean Fire on May 06, 2011, 11:08:24 PM
Even before the Alien prequel was announced, I always imagined that it should have little to do with the exisitng movies. It should feature the Space Jockeys, absolutley. But the Aliens, specifically their life cycle, should not be revealed as it would diminsh the effect of ALIEN. Always been in favour of various other Giger inspired nasties though.
Perhaps what we're looking at here is a case of what happened with
Batman Begins. In that film Liam Neeson plays Ra's Al Ghul. However, the audience wasn't supposed to know that. We were supposed to believe he was Henri Ducard and then it would be revealed at the end.
Perhaps here we will get something similar. The film is
Prometheus, and it is about the Space Jockeys. As the film goes on, we start to think, "hmm, are the Aliens actually in this film?" because we will be led to believe they won't be. And then, sometime before the film ends (maybe even half way through, I dunno) Aliens do arrive in the film.
:D
Quote from: Michael Harper on May 06, 2011, 11:14:29 PM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on May 06, 2011, 11:08:24 PM
Even before the Alien prequel was announced, I always imagined that it should have little to do with the exisitng movies. It should feature the Space Jockeys, absolutley. But the Aliens, specifically their life cycle, should not be revealed as it would diminsh the effect of ALIEN. Always been in favour of various other Giger inspired nasties though.
Perhaps what we're looking at here is a case of what happened with Batman Begins. In that film Liam Neeson plays Ra's Al Ghul. However, the audience wasn't supposed to know that. We were supposed to believe he was Henri Ducard and then it would be revealed at the end.
Perhaps here we will get something similar. The film is Prometheus, and it is about the Space Jockeys. As the film goes on, we start to think, "hmm, are the Aliens actually in this film?" because we will be led to believe they won't be. And then, sometime before the film ends (maybe even half way through, I dunno) Aliens do arrive in the film.
:D
If the spy reports are true, then that's what we are getting. Maybe even more so than we expected. I expected a variation on the Alien design, which I'm sure we will get but we might even get our traditional bipedal Kane's Son form too!
Quote from: Promethean Fire on May 06, 2011, 11:16:28 PM
Quote from: Michael Harper on May 06, 2011, 11:14:29 PM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on May 06, 2011, 11:08:24 PM
Even before the Alien prequel was announced, I always imagined that it should have little to do with the exisitng movies. It should feature the Space Jockeys, absolutley. But the Aliens, specifically their life cycle, should not be revealed as it would diminsh the effect of ALIEN. Always been in favour of various other Giger inspired nasties though.
Perhaps what we're looking at here is a case of what happened with Batman Begins. In that film Liam Neeson plays Ra's Al Ghul. However, the audience wasn't supposed to know that. We were supposed to believe he was Henri Ducard and then it would be revealed at the end.
Perhaps here we will get something similar. The film is Prometheus, and it is about the Space Jockeys. As the film goes on, we start to think, "hmm, are the Aliens actually in this film?" because we will be led to believe they won't be. And then, sometime before the film ends (maybe even half way through, I dunno) Aliens do arrive in the film.
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If the spy reports are true, then that's what we are getting. Maybe even more so than we expected. I expected a variation on the Alien design, which I'm sure we will get but we might even get our traditional bipedal Kane's Son form too!
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