http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/08/22/discussions-with-scott-allie-dark-horses-comedic-triumph-in-buffy-season-10-axes-out-in-the-goon-facing-time-in-captain-midnight-staying-scary-in-aliens-monster-heroes-in-criminal-macabre-and/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/08/22/discussions-with-scott-allie-dark-horses-comedic-triumph-in-buffy-season-10-axes-out-in-the-goon-facing-time-in-captain-midnight-staying-scary-in-aliens-monster-heroes-in-criminal-macabre-and/)
Hadn't seen the accompanying pictures with text before now. Seems like they're implying some of the colonists from Hadley's Hope escaped.
Interesting interview, I liked the hint about how the Prometheus and Aliens lines will tie together. ;D
Spoiler
Indeed, it seems that the main cast of the Aliens line will be refugees from Hadley's Hope. I just hope the story is good enough to justify going back to the LV-426 trough again.
The colour is looking decent
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I wonder if this retcons Aliens Newt's Tale
Well if this doesn't, River of Pain certainly will.
To be fair to Newt's Tale, it's vague enough on a lot of details that "some people escaped" isn't much of a contradiction.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 23, 2014, 07:53:00 AM
Well if this doesn't, River of Pain certainly will.
What is this River of Pain you speak of?
The final Alien novel released by Titan. I believe it is due for release in November and will deal with the initial outbreak on LV-426 after the colonists find the derelict.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 23, 2014, 07:56:27 AM
To be fair to Newt's Tale, it's vague enough on a lot of details that "some people escaped" isn't much of a contradiction.
Newts Tale was sort of an adaptation of the movie. The only thing which it had brought was Newt's perspective of things. The rest of the other stuff was slightly different takes of the events of ALIENS.
That's true of issue 2, but issue 1 was largely "new" material in that it showed the downfall of Hadley's Hope.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 24, 2014, 05:56:58 AM
That's true of issue 2, but issue 1 was largely "new" material in that it showed the downfall of Hadley's Hope.
Had Newts Tale been a one shot which wouldn't venture into becoming an adaptation, I would've accepted it more but I normally don't accept movie to comic adaptations as definitive canon. As far as I am concerned.. the movie tells us what happened without even having to show it in flash back scenes.
As for Fire and Stone and River of Pain.. I'm not going to be picking those up but I will be plum surprised if one does reference the other. Then again, Titan's book may contradict Fire and Stone.. but with Fox over looking things, I find it doubtful.
I've got no problem with adaptations - I just treat scripts, movies, novelizations, and comic adaptations as (generally) slight variations on the same story.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 24, 2014, 06:36:43 AM
I've got no problem with adaptations - I just treat scripts, movies, novelizations, and comic adaptations as (generally) slight variations on the same story.
Would that include the PREDATORS adaptation comic, when it had some wide contradictions in there? Just asking out of curiosity. :-\
I'll have to re-read that one, I don't remember it well.
Incidentally the 'Predator' novelization is pretty different from the movie, too.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 24, 2014, 07:22:06 AM
Incidentally the 'Predator' novelization is pretty different from the movie, too.
Yeah, that one was a shapeshifter who hunted not for trophies but to some sort of sadistic research or something.
Newt's Tale seemed to pay little attention to the source material when it expanded the story, and only paid marginally more attention to the source material when adapting the source material. Didn't they have a VCR?
Then they completely glossed over the Aliens taking over colony, and showed certain events occurring that were outside the purview of Newt's actual Tale.
With art that was nothing to write home about, it really didn't have much going for it.
I loved Newt's Tale when I read it as a little kid, the nostalgia...
What with Prometheus #1 hitting stores in just two weeks, I think it's time I shared one last bit of speculation that has been knocking around my mind for a while. This both concerns Fire and Stone and the Prometheus film, so it is sort of in the vein of those Prometheus theories that were all the rage back when the film was new, and which still continue today.
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LV-223: The A/v/P Universe's Equivalent of the Genesis Planet?The four-page preview of Prometheus #1 has been making the rounds for the last few months, and has gotten a lot more traffic since it was released as part of Dark Horse's SDCC free preview. One of the most interesting bits about the preview is the glimpse it gives of the environment of LV-223. In addition to the "DNA helix tree" jungle areas, we also see a vista beyond the "killing field."
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This image is quite reminiscent of the sort of environment we see in the beginning of the Prometheus film.
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While there is, of course, the explanation that both the LV-223 and prehistoric Earth scenes were both filmed in Iceland, another possibility has occurred to me, courtesy of something Prometheus comic writer Paul Tobin said when he was interviewed by Chris P (http://www.scified.com/site/aliensvspredator/exclusive-interview-with-dark-horse-comics-about-their-new-avp--prometheus-comics (http://www.scified.com/site/aliensvspredator/exclusive-interview-with-dark-horse-comics-about-their-new-avp--prometheus-comics)).
QuotePAUL TOBIN: The deacon is definitely a big part of our extended storyline. It's a fascinating creature, a clue to not only the evolutionary chain of the xenos, but possibly of life in the galaxy. So of course we had to play with it.
The Deacon is certainly one of the more enigmatic elements in Prometheus, and I have long had conflicting thoughts about the nature of the murals in the "big head room."
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The notion that the Deacon has an important place in the evolution of life in the galaxy, as well as the similarities between what we see of LV-223 in the comic and the setting in which the Engineer sacrifices himself at the beginning of the Prometheus film, has made me reconsider the ambiguity as to whether the opening of the film takes place on Earth. I think there is a distinct possibility that the writers of Fire and Stone may wind up implying that the Engineers were in fact seeding
LV-223 with life at the beginning of the film.
This is where the Genesis Planet idea comes in. Perhaps LV-223 was one of the first planets on which the Engineer's attempted to cede life after creating/discovering/stealing the accelerant. But perhaps because of the early nature of the technology, or maybe the Engineer's impure intentions, what was initially intended as a garden of life became tainted, giving rise to something terrible: the Deacons, and possibly by extension, the xenomorphs. Much like the Genesis Planet in Star Trek, flawed technology lead to an unstable and ultimately failed attempt to play god on a planetary scale.
I believe this theory answers several questions I have long had about the Prometheus film. It explains the murals well, in that I have always seen the Deacon murals as a "dark monument," serving to remind the Engineers not only of their accomplishment in crating life, but also how that power can go terribly wrong. The Deacon is something of a cautionary tale.
This also explains the ambiguity of the second mural, with the Engineer and the strange creature.
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It has long been noted that this mural ambiguously straddles the line between influences, with elements of both Promethean "eagle eating liver" imagery and the "Creation of Adam" from the Sistine Chapel.
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This once again fits in with the notion of a "dark monument": the murals are a cautionary tale about being destroyed or vexed by one's own creations.
The notion of LV-223 as a cautionary tale of what can go wrong when the unready play god also answers the question of why the Engineers would tell humans (viewed as a somewhat more successful creation until about 2,000 years ago) about the planet: not to invite them, but to use it as a parable of why man should not play God. This fits well with the Last Engineer's anger over Weyland's "I created David and that makes me a god!" rant. Humans totally failed to understand the message of LV-223.
The theory isn't perfect, and like much of my speculation has, it could be totally blown out of the water when Prometheus #1 hits stands in a few weeks. I'm not even sure I believe it, but I just thought I would share. :)
The first review/preview from someone who got an advanced copy of Prometheus #1 is quite positive.
http://whatchareading.com/previewreview-prometheus-fire-stone-1-sale-91014/ (http://whatchareading.com/previewreview-prometheus-fire-stone-1-sale-91014/)
Doesn't really sat much but glad to hear he's excited.
Really hope he's genuine and it's not one of those pre-release shill reviews. Keeping my fingers crossed
Here's a not-so-stellar 6/10 review. This one does have what can be considered some minor spoilers.
http://www.comicbookbin.com/Review_Prometheus_Fire_and_Stone_001.html (http://www.comicbookbin.com/Review_Prometheus_Fire_and_Stone_001.html)
Most of the criticisms were things I was expecting considering this is the the first issue, and thus needs to spend a lot of space on set-up.
The first review is a bit too glowing. It boils down to "I really like sci-fi. I really like Aliens and Predator. I'm glad DH is publishing this franchise again"
However, neither am I discouraged by the second review. The guy's negativity is based on the assumption that the characters introduced are all going to die in short order, the series is going to devolve into gorefest, blah blah...
He's not judging issue 1 on its merits. Of course issue 1 is going to spend time setting up the characters. That's a good thing. He's just assuming all this effort on character set-up is a waste because the impending gorefest. How does he know that we're going to get a gorefest instead of interesting sci-fi? He doesn't.
I agree that his criticisms are a bit presumptuous about how things will play out. The idea of a gorefest where all the characters die is also basically moot since we know that several major characters (Galgo, Angela, Francis, Elden, etc.) will in fact make it out alive to star in the AvP and Predator series.
Comicosity has an extended preview of Aliens #1.
Spoiler
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This has to tie into River of Pain somehow. There's Marines on there. Actually like the looks of the artwork.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 03, 2014, 12:25:13 PM
This has to tie into River of Pain somehow. There's Marines on there. Actually like the looks of the artwork.
It would be neat if Derrick Russel was a character in Sea of Sorrows. They seem to be setting him up as the "scientifically curious" sort of character. Maybe he'll explore the Derelict.
On another note, I found another positive review of Prometheus #1, with some interesting info on when exactly the series is set. Needless to say, there are spoilers.
http://skeletonpete.com/tag/prometheus-1/ (http://skeletonpete.com/tag/prometheus-1/)
This time period still makes little sense to me, unless it was one of the changes stipulated by Fox.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Sep 03, 2014, 08:55:45 PM
This time period still makes little sense to me, unless it was one of the changes stipulated by Fox.
It will certainly be interesting to see how they justify it in the story.
The SDCC preview issue also has me curious about whey they have planned for the Deacon. The last bit on the inside of the cover reads:
"Never knowing that the carnage left behind them would give rise a horrific new life that could lead to the end of all."
I'm sure Prometheus 2 restrictions will keep them from doing too much with the creature, but that is one ominous reference.
Yeah, the Deacon does seem to be one thing they have had to scale back on significantly. I suppose the lapse in time would explain the different flora and fauna on the planet as well as the strange water creatures and other life forms. That accelerant certainly is powerful!
Regarding the artwork...I'm on the fence. I do prefer it to the 2009 series art (Aliens and Predator were a bit too manga-ish for my taste, TWW's was just absolute crap IMO). This new Aliens art certainly isn't bad but I'm of the opinion that aliens are scarier when drawn with more grotesque detail.
Labyrinth has pretty decently drawn aliens albeit a bit skinny. I love the art of Tribes but I'm not expecting the interior of a comic to have art of that quality.
Labyrinth had the second best looking Aliens after Book 2.
I absolutely loved the ultra-skinny Aliens in Labyrinth, they're my favorite Alien depictions in any medium. Them being super-skinny but still terrifyingly strong was really compelling.
I like long, lean xenomorphs. I do not want muscle-bound xenomorphs. I believe the aliens in Hive are the closest we've gotten to that is.
I agree that the slender build of an alien and its freakish strength are a disturbing contrast. The aliens in Labyrinth are a bit too thin IMO. I like the build in Alien and Aliens. They're still slender and gracile but not quite as skinny as those in Labyrinth
A 3.5/5 star review from This is Another Castle. It has some spoilers, so I mostly just skimmed and looked at the score. It seems like the first issue picks up halfway through, so hopefully Fire and Stone's growing pains are limited to this first issue.
http://thisisanothercastle.com/2014/09/04/prometheus-fire-and-stone-1-review-rocky-start-to-an-intriguing-crossover-014yub845732/ (http://thisisanothercastle.com/2014/09/04/prometheus-fire-and-stone-1-review-rocky-start-to-an-intriguing-crossover-014yub845732/)
Famous Monsters has a positive review (perhaps a bit too positive), along with an interview with Juan Ferreyra and some pretty neat, but potentially spoilerific, images.
http://famousmonsters.com/archives/14128 (http://famousmonsters.com/archives/14128)
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I like what I see. :)
CBR has the Aliens vs Predator trailer, as well as a new preview of AvP #1 that has some big spoilers about who/what the weird white mutant is.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55434 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55434)
Spoiler
It's Elden.
Also, I could be reading it totally wrong, but is one of the Elden's lines ("They moved through time...") supposed to hint at the Engineers using time travel?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 11, 2014, 05:32:51 PM
Spoiler
It's Elden.
Also, I could be reading it totally wrong, but is one of the Elden's lines ("They moved through time...") supposed to hint at the Engineers using time travel?
Either two things.. Either the Engineers are very long lived to where they have been around for millenia and he's being cryptic. Or, and this is harkening back to the fan Q&A with some of the writers.. they do have some tech which might allow for that. Paul Tobin did say that they have some interesting tech which can literally open new worlds.
I'm willing to bet the former though.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 11, 2014, 10:58:39 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 11, 2014, 05:32:51 PM
Spoiler
It's Elden.
Also, I could be reading it totally wrong, but is one of the Elden's lines ("They moved through time...") supposed to hint at the Engineers using time travel?
Either two things.. Either the Engineers are very long lived to where they have been around for millenia and he's being cryptic. Or, and this is harkening back to the fan Q&A with some of the writers.. they do have some tech which might allow for that. Paul Tobin did say that they have some interesting tech which can literally open new worlds.
I'm willing to bet the former though.
It could definitely be the former, especially since I seem to recall the Furious Gods documentary having some stuff from the Spaihts draft that indicated that Engineers have something like a 10,000 year lifespan.
On the other hand, the mutant also says "I've seen things from before this, from after this..." so who knows.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 12, 2014, 12:22:54 AM
It could definitely be the former, especially since I seem to recall the Furious Gods documentary having some stuff from the Spaihts draft that indicated that Engineers have something like a 10,000 year lifespan.
Yeah but is any of that stuff in the final film? I don't think so, and given that the Spaights draft is just that.. a draft, I wouldn't think it would hold much water until more of this comic is released. I'm not picking the titles up but it wouldn't surprise me if in the comic, the Engineers are established to have long lives.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 12, 2014, 12:22:54 AM
On the other hand, the mutant also says "I've seen things from before this, from after this..." so who knows.
In that context.. That is something strange. Either the mutation which Elden is going through is affecting his mind to where he is so delusional that he is believing what he is experiencing, or he had come across some technology that allows him to view things from the past, present and future. We don't know the context of that statement as these are only preview pages. However.. if there is somehow time travel, time viewing.. whatever, than that may completely change the way we look at canon.
However I'm just willing to bet that Elden has gone completely balls-out insane and is merely spewing out cryptic words.
I'm certainly looking forward to seeing how far off the rails that particular character goes. ;D
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 12, 2014, 12:38:49 AM
I'm certainly looking forward to seeing how far off the rails that particular character goes. ;D
I'm willing to bet either Jim Jones or Marshall Applewhite territory.
...the Elden mutant looks laughable.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Sep 12, 2014, 02:45:49 AM
...the Elden mutant looks laughable.
Because he looks like an X-Men character?
I really hope they do do something time bending with the Engineer's. It'll be nice to make them something more than advanced, old humans.
December Solicitations are up!
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Spoiler
We have a Predator that has been black gooed! :o
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QuoteSTRANDED SURVIVORS CLASH—ALIENS FEAST!
Aliens: Fire and Stone #4 (of 4)
Chris Roberson (W), Patric Reynolds (A), Dave Stewart (C), and David Palumbo (Cover)
On sale Dec 24
FC, 32 pages
$3.50
Miniseries
Tying in with the Prometheus and Aliens films, this tale of stranded survivors and the tenacious xenomorphs that stalk them comes to a close! Scientist Derrick Russell makes more stunning discoveries about the strange planet the Hadley's Hope refugees crashed on, while Aliens close in on him!
• Ties directly into two hit motion pictures!
• From critically acclaimed writer Chris Roberson!
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QuoteAlien vs. Predator: Fire and Stone #3 (of 4)
Christopher Sebela (W), Ariel Olivetti (A), and E. M. Gist (Cover)
On sale Dec 3
FC, 32 pages
$3.50
Miniseries
When a Predator is exposed to a mysterious genetic accelerant, the rest of the hunting party is put in unforeseen peril. And as the android Elden continues his violent evolution, his xenomorph allies reject him from the hive.
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Quoteredator: Fire and Stone #3 (of 4)
Joshua Williamson (W), Chris Mooneyham (A), Dan Brown (C), and Lucas Graciano (Cover)
On sale Dec 17
FC, 32 pages
$3.50
Miniseries
Back among the crewmates he betrayed in Prometheus, Galgo must watch over both shoulders, as his former allies want him to pay, and the Predator that holds him captive wants something far more terrible!
• Joshua Williamson (Nailbiter, Captain Midnight)—Multiversity's breakout writer of 2013!
• Five Ghosts's Chris Mooneyham pits Predator against vicious game!
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QuoteALIEN VS. ENGINEER!
Prometheus: Fire and Stone #4 (of 4)
Paul Tobin (W), Juan Ferreyra (A), and David Palumbo (Cover)
On sale Dec 10
FC, 32 pages
$3.50
Miniseries
Casualties rise as the Prometheus's recovery team find themselves trapped between an unrelenting alien horde, a ruthless Engineer, and a vengeful victim of the mysterious accelerant!
• The blockbuster crossover breaks new ground!
• From Eisner Award–winning writer Paul Tobin (Bandette, Colder)!
• Art by Bleeding Cool's 2013 artist of the year, Juan Ferreyra (Colder, Kiss Me, Satan!)!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2014, 07:18:40 AM
I really hope they do do something time bending with the Engineer's. It'll be nice to make them something more than advanced, old humans.
I honestly wouldn't know how to feel if the Engineers had the ability to time travel. I mean.. Time travel works fine in something like the Terminator franchise. But Alien-Predator? I don't know. A part of me wants to because then we would have an excuse to have multiple timelines, but on the other hand others have pointed out that time travel doesn't fit in with Alien-Predator.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 12, 2014, 05:58:00 PM
December Solicitations are up!
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Spoiler
We have a Predator that has been black gooed! :o
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As we have all suspected but.. It kind of still feels too Predator. I pictured the mutation vastly different since they are alien life forms, but then I suppose I visualized Fifields alternate mutation in mind rather than the zombie-man which was in the final film.
And that summary, did that just confirm that Elden is an Android? Like.. Synth Android? How is he mutating then?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 12, 2014, 06:13:08 PM
I honestly wouldn't know how to feel if the Engineers had the ability to time travel. I mean.. Time travel works fine in something like the Terminator franchise. But Alien-Predator? I don't know. A part of me wants to because then we would have an excuse to have multiple timelines, but on the other hand others have pointed out that time travel doesn't fit in with Alien-Predator.
It might be cool if they did something where the Engineers basically exist outside of time as we know it, so that things like humanity's history up to the point when they decided to destroy us was basically a second to them or something along those lines. If straight up time travel is done tactfully enough, I could maybe get behind it.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 12, 2014, 06:13:08 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 12, 2014, 05:58:00 PM
Spoiler
We have a Predator that has been black gooed! :o
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As we have all suspected but.. It kind of still feels too Predator. I pictured the mutation vastly different since they are alien life forms, but then I suppose I visualized Fifields alternate mutation in mind rather than the zombie-man which was in the final film.
And that summary, did that just confirm that Elden is an Android? Like.. Synth Android? How is he mutating then?
The style of that cover reminds me of Predator: Homeworld is the best way, since I really like that series and its art. Hopefully they do some cool stuff with the infected Predator.
On a similar note, I'm excited to see how far Elden mutates. If the xenos start turning on him, he must be turning into something awful.
http://bigcomicpage.com/2014/09/18/bcp-interview-christopher-sebela-talks-aliens-versus-predator-fire-and-stone/ (http://bigcomicpage.com/2014/09/18/bcp-interview-christopher-sebela-talks-aliens-versus-predator-fire-and-stone/)
New interview with Chris Sebela.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 12, 2014, 05:58:00 PM
December Solicitations are up!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55484 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55484)
Spoiler
We have a Predator that has been black gooed! :o
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QuoteSTRANDED SURVIVORS CLASH—ALIENS FEAST!
Aliens: Fire and Stone #4 (of 4)
Chris Roberson (W), Patric Reynolds (A), Dave Stewart (C), and David Palumbo (Cover)
On sale Dec 24
FC, 32 pages
$3.50
Miniseries
Tying in with the Prometheus and Aliens films, this tale of stranded survivors and the tenacious xenomorphs that stalk them comes to a close! Scientist Derrick Russell makes more stunning discoveries about the strange planet the Hadley's Hope refugees crashed on, while Aliens close in on him!
• Ties directly into two hit motion pictures!
• From critically acclaimed writer Chris Roberson!
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QuoteAlien vs. Predator: Fire and Stone #3 (of 4)
Christopher Sebela (W), Ariel Olivetti (A), and E. M. Gist (Cover)
On sale Dec 3
FC, 32 pages
$3.50
Miniseries
When a Predator is exposed to a mysterious genetic accelerant, the rest of the hunting party is put in unforeseen peril. And as the android Elden continues his violent evolution, his xenomorph allies reject him from the hive.
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Quoteredator: Fire and Stone #3 (of 4)
Joshua Williamson (W), Chris Mooneyham (A), Dan Brown (C), and Lucas Graciano (Cover)
On sale Dec 17
FC, 32 pages
$3.50
Miniseries
Back among the crewmates he betrayed in Prometheus, Galgo must watch over both shoulders, as his former allies want him to pay, and the Predator that holds him captive wants something far more terrible!
• Joshua Williamson (Nailbiter, Captain Midnight)—Multiversity's breakout writer of 2013!
• Five Ghosts's Chris Mooneyham pits Predator against vicious game!
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QuoteALIEN VS. ENGINEER!
Prometheus: Fire and Stone #4 (of 4)
Paul Tobin (W), Juan Ferreyra (A), and David Palumbo (Cover)
On sale Dec 10
FC, 32 pages
$3.50
Miniseries
Casualties rise as the Prometheus's recovery team find themselves trapped between an unrelenting alien horde, a ruthless Engineer, and a vengeful victim of the mysterious accelerant!
• The blockbuster crossover breaks new ground!
• From Eisner Award–winning writer Paul Tobin (Bandette, Colder)!
• Art by Bleeding Cool's 2013 artist of the year, Juan Ferreyra (Colder, Kiss Me, Satan!)!
Im all about creativity, And usually have no gripes with comic book taking a little liberties,
but this.... this is getting out of hand.
"Out of hand"?
I think the term is epic
Quote from: happypred on Sep 19, 2014, 08:48:35 AM
"Out of hand"?
I think the term is epic
No.
The Predator equivalent of sloth from the goonies
is not epic.
Christ, you guys see that little arm there!? This is hardly respecting something iconic and classic....
But I won't rain on your parade, I will probably read this too.
I can definitely see how some fans will see the directions DH is taking to be too strange or even off the rails, but I'm excited for how crazy things may get.
Also, happypred, if you like the black goo Predator, you'll love...
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Dialog that possibly hints that maybe the Engineers use time travel.
QuoteElden: I've seen things, from before this, from after it. Everything.
Elden: The things that created you. They moved through time, making and destroying life as they saw fit. The true creators.
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I'm most interested in the relationship between Ahab and the two super predators.
They have berserker mask, single wristblade, and no mesh...but maybe it's just an aesthetic. Perhaps they're junior hunters led by Ahab
If the Engineers do happen to use time travel.. This can allow for alternative timelines. I'm.. not exactly keen on the idea of the Alien-Predator franchise going the route of the Terminator franchise but.. if it allows for alternate timelines.. Mmmm.. Know what? I'm not to sure how to feel about that. Really ain't too sure. I mean.. I'm for alternate timelines but the way it's implied and handled? Eeeeeeh..
Quote from: happypred on Sep 19, 2014, 02:35:29 PM
They have berserker mask, single wristblade, and no mesh...but maybe it's just an aesthetic. Perhaps they're junior hunters led by Ahab
I'm not sure if you've been keeping in mind that Sebela has said that those weren't supposed to be Super Predators. I'm sure Ariel Olivetti just happened to take design cues and go on from there. So.. take what you will. The designs seem to be a mesh of the two species.. Look at the head. The dreadlocks aren't swept back like the Super Predators, and even looking at the head configuration of the goo infected Predator, implies that he may have been a classic type.
Personally, I don't like the idea of the normal Predators working together with the Super Predators. These guys are supposed to be at war with each other according to the context of PREDATORS. And if you count the NECA backstories (who here does aside from Xenomorph?) then the feud wouldn't just be over the course of 200 or so years when it's raged for thousands of years. Last I checked, when Predators go to war, they callously finish the job.
Is Elden suposed to be a synthetic?
No one questioning How something inorganic is mutating? ???
Quote from: bobby brown on Sep 19, 2014, 05:11:52 PM
Is Elden suposed to be a synthetic?
No one questioning How something inorganic is mutating? ???
He's a "construct." They'll probably elaborate on that later, but my guess is that he's something akin to a Replicant.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 19, 2014, 05:13:59 PM
He's a "construct." They'll probably elaborate on that later, but my guess is that he's something akin to a Replicant.
The synopsis mentions that he is an android.
True, though I think James Moore noted over at Aliens Legacy that authors often aren't the ones who write synopses, so little inconsistencies crop up. In the AvP trailer, DeConnick calls him a construct.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 19, 2014, 05:36:11 PM
True, though I think James Moore noted over at Aliens Legacy that authors often aren't the ones who write synopses, so little inconsistencies crop up. In the AvP trailer, DeConnick calls him a construct.
It seems like someone over at Dark Horse took the Blade Runner reference in the Prometheus Blu-Ray features a little too seriously when it was just a joke, assuming of course your hypothesis holds true. :-\
On another note, I'm guessing that the plasma guns they have in Sea of Sorrows are reverse-engineered from the Engineer rifle Galgo has. In the free preview from SDCC, he does say that he's bringing it back to W-Y as his meal ticket.
Quote from: bobby brown on Sep 19, 2014, 09:14:20 AM
No.
The Predator equivalent of sloth from the goonies is not epic.
Other than the little arm, do you have any complaints? I mean, it's basically a pred counterpart to zombie Fitfield
I crap on both of them. :-X
But i have to admit, while not exited, I am curious.
I'm not sure if anyone has noted this yet, but the artwork on the interior of the Prometheus #1 cover might hold some clues as to what will transpire in the series. Under the long blurb ending with the ominous note on how the chaos left behind by Shaw and David gave rise to a terrifying new life, we have this artwork:
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It shows an urn of accelerant (or "black goo" more colloquially) that has tipped over and is leaking its contents. Mixing with this we see what we can assume is human blood, as well as what appears to be the 'blood' and viscera of a synthetic.
My guess is that this is supposed to be symbolic of the elements that spawn just whatever it is Elden turns into.
I dont know any of this characters mentioned by name. So if a link could be provided or a tldr of how you all learned this would be nice.
The blood and the urn could explain how the plant has biomechanicle organisms on it.
It's a not terribly subtle reference to some mixing of genetic material and the fact there will be lots of violence.
Interesting that there's no green glowing liquid or acid scoring - though I guess they're tying it more directlly to Prometheus, in spite of the content.
Nerdist has the Predator: Fire and Stone trailer. Nothing new, but worth a look.
https://www.nerdist.com/2014/09/exclusive-dark-horses-predator-fire-and-stone-trailer-meet-ahab/ (https://www.nerdist.com/2014/09/exclusive-dark-horses-predator-fire-and-stone-trailer-meet-ahab/)
A new preview of Predator #1 has been released. Beware of some mild spoilers for Prometheus and AvP.
http://comicbuzz.com/2014/09/predator-fire-and-stone-1-preview/ (http://comicbuzz.com/2014/09/predator-fire-and-stone-1-preview/)
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Aliens: Fire and Stone #3.
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Some other noteworthy images that Reynolds has posted.
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Most of the Aliens solicitations make a big deal out of Derrick Russel having some sort of plan for getting the colonists out of the mess they find on LV-223. I wonder if his plan is to wake up an Engineer and ask for help. That will probably work out poorly. :laugh:
Joshua Williamson just posted a page from Predator #2, and I must say I'm getting Homeworld vibes from some of the art and design. It also seems that we'll be getting highlights of Ahab's best hunts. That pleases me.
https://twitter.com/Williamson_Josh/status/516682432817270785/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/Williamson_Josh/status/516682432817270785/photo/1)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Byuf7zvCEAAcEh1.jpg)
Also, Patric Reynolds has started work on Aliens #4, and posted this image. Make of the storyboards what you will. I definitely see a Juggernaut on the ground in the background of the first panel.
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Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 28, 2014, 11:09:40 PMIt also seems that we'll be getting highlights of Ahab's best hunts. That pleases me.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Byuf7zvCEAAcEh1.jpg
Wow...that is AWESOME
Reminds me of when the predators in South China Sea reminisces about his past hunts
The Aliens art looks quite good as well
Ariel Olivetti just posted a WIP page of AvP, and it's definitely different. I'm looking forward to seeing more of his art, as well as more of what becomes of a certain character.
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Also, does anyone else think that Dark Horse is trying to pay homage to the whole "Bug Man" thing?
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does that funny looking fellow have a blooded mark on his head?
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 30, 2014, 09:37:02 PM
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does that funny looking fellow have a blooded mark on his head?
As a matter of fact, yes it does. The plot thickens...
Looks a bit like
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Scar's mark.
Alien artwork's a bit meh.
Wasn't Scar's the same as Broken Tusk's?
Oh right. Never noticed. Kind of a T-shape?
From memory.
The fact that it has one at all is strange. Things like that are why AvP is the Fire and Stine series that I'm most looking forward to. It looks like they're really taking some risks with a crazy story.
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Also, the creature has at least three arms.
I believe Broken Tusk's mark is a lightning bolt. If I'm not mistaken, Top Knot's mark is a stylised "T" and the inspiration for Scar's mark
Indeed. Tusk was a lightning bolt. This looks more like a homage to the AvP movie.
Also - those weird things next to the Aliens head? Ideas anyone? Black goo?
Apparently...Wolf is Unblooded?
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CBR has a new preview of Aliens #2, and it looks like the plot is going in a very Prometheus direction.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=23816 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=23816)
Quote from: happypred on Oct 01, 2014, 01:58:50 PM
Apparently...Wolf is Unblooded?
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2948_press01-001.jpg
Wolf is an idiot.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 30, 2014, 09:35:44 PM
Ariel Olivetti just posted a WIP page of AvP, and it's definitely different. I'm looking forward to seeing more of his art, as well as more of what becomes of a certain character.
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Also, does anyone else think that Dark Horse is trying to pay homage to the whole "Bug Man" thing?
I dig how Elden looks. And those hints makes me very hungry for this story!
Quote from: happypred on Oct 01, 2014, 01:58:50 PM
Apparently...Wolf is Unblooded?
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2948_press01-001.jpg
Probably safe to assume that not all clans do the blooding ritual.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 01, 2014, 07:34:37 AM
Indeed. Tusk was a lightning bolt. This looks more like a homage to the AvP movie.
Also - those weird things next to the Aliens head? Ideas anyone? Black goo?
One of the two leaders had the T. If it wasn't BT then it must've been Top Knot.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 01, 2014, 07:34:37 AM
Also - those weird things next to the Aliens head? Ideas anyone? Black goo?
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I definitely think the creature is a black goo victim. You can also see what appears to be syth viscera on his head, indicating that it is, in fact, Elden.
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It's also noteworthy how both the creature and the Predator on the AvP#3 cover grow extra arms when exposed to the accelerant.
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I'm most intrigued by the face that's revealed when the xenos tear off the creature's outer skin. Elden seems to think in the AvP #1 preview that he's turning into an Engineer, but maybe he's gone beyond that and is becoming one of whatever made the Engineers.
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The blooding mark has me seriously questioning if this creature is the "white whale" that Ahab is after, and exactly what relationship it will have with the other characters. Either way, AvP looks like it be one wild ride.
I also can't shake the idea that Dark Horse is trying to redo ideas they screwed up in the 90s, like humans mutating into strange alien creatures and maintenance robots taking up defense duty.
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Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 01, 2014, 05:48:34 PMOne of the two leaders had the T. If it wasn't BT then it must've been Top Knot.
BT has a lightning bolt. Top Knot has something pretty similar to a "T". Instead of one vertical mark, there are two. It looks more like a pi symbol
Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 01, 2014, 04:12:07 PM
CBR has a new preview of Aliens #2, and it looks like the plot is going in a very Prometheus direction.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=23816 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=23816)
:( I guess I will be skipping the rest of the fire and blood comics, since I'm sure the Predator one will likely do something similar.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 01, 2014, 07:45:12 PM
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I definitely think the creature is a black goo victim. You can also see what appears to be syth viscera on his head, indicating that it is, in fact, Elden.
I meant the Xenomorphs.
In an interesting move, Dark Horse and several other comic companies have partnered with Uber and Chevy to have comic-themed free taxis to NYCC. Dark Horse will have a Fire and Stone taxi.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1866/dark-horse-partners-reedpop-chevrolet-and-uber-giv (http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1866/dark-horse-partners-reedpop-chevrolet-and-uber-giv)
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I like the Elden tease on the trunk. ;D
Elden would be perfect as a CONTRA alien boss fight.
Wich is to say... he looks fukin ridiculous for the Alien franchise.
I think he looks awesome for a jack-o-lantern.
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Aliens artist Patric Reynolds has treated us to a page from the original Aliens #1, before the Fox-mandated restart. He also confirmed in the comments that that's Elden in the last panel. I really hope that Dark Horse divulges at some point what their original plans were for Fire and Stone.
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CBR has an article about Dark Horse's panel celebrating 35 years of Alien (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56222 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56222)) and there was some interesting quotes.
Quote" For the upcoming "Predator" series, Williamson described Issue #4 as "one long, long fight scene" ending with a reveal of the Predator's prey. DeConnick has written an oversized final issue for the crossover, due out in February.
They also revealed the Predator #4 cover, and it's a tribute to one of the old, original AvP covers. I like it.
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definitely a play on the original cover
Kind of gutted that's been revealed though.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2014, 11:43:29 AM
Kind of gutted that's been revealed though.
It's definitely disappointing, but I'm holding out hope that maybe it's a red-herring.
pred fans face when the engineers are physically superior
:'(
Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 13, 2014, 06:28:12 PM
It's definitely disappointing, but I'm holding out hope that maybe it's a red-herring.
Ditto.
What's disappointing exactly?
Quote from: SM on Oct 13, 2014, 11:44:46 PM
What's disappointing exactly?
The fact that the Predator #4 cover seems to reveal that Ahab's "white whale" is an Engineer. I think people have suspected that for a while, but the confirmation so far in advance is a tad disappointing.
srsly?
On another note, the first review of Prometheus #2 is out. It's positive. Usual spoiler warning.
http://blackstarninja.wordpress.com/2014/10/13/comic-review-prometheus-fire-and-stone-2/ (http://blackstarninja.wordpress.com/2014/10/13/comic-review-prometheus-fire-and-stone-2/)
January 2015 solicitations are here. Tread lightly, as there are definitely spoilers.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56302 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56302)
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QuoteAlien vs. Predator: Fire and Stone #4 (of 4)
Christopher Sebela (W), Ariel Olivetti (A), and E. M. Gist (Cover)
On sale Jan 14
FC, 32 pages
$3.50
Miniseries
As a desperate scientist's violent evolution reaches its deadly apex, an alien-and-predator battle royale erupts in the bowels of the doomed Geryon armada! Now, on a ship of killers—there can be only one survivor . . .
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QuotePREDATOR VS. ENGINEER!
Predator: Fire and Stone #4 (of 4)
Joshua Williamson (W), Chris Mooneyham (A), Dan Brown (C), and Lucas Graciano (Cover)
On sale Jan 28
FC, 32 pages
$3.50
Miniseries
As the Predator sets out on his greatest hunt, Galgo must decide if atoning for his past sins is worth the ultimate sacrifice!
• The ultimate game is revealed in the heart-stopping climax!
• From the artist of Five Ghosts!
• Sets up Kelly Sue DeConnick's epic, oversized special, Prometheus: Fire and Stone—Omega!
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You're seeking out spoilers, but a couple of posts above complain about spoilers...?
I enjoy bringing people new info, even if I occasionally find myself wishing I hadn't seen some information. I'm also not terribly interested in having a debate about this.
...
And also a teensy bit touchy...
I am really feeling the AvP Issue Four cover.. I am definitely in love with that picture there. Seriously that is something very bad-ass right there. Mighty props to that cover.. 8)
As for Predator Issue Four's cover.. I'm hoping that's a red herring cover because the writing team has been building Ahab up like an ultimate bad-ass Predator, perhaps more bad-ass than Dachande but I would hate to hear that he dies like a punk or is beaten like a rag-doll to an Engineer. I'd expect the two to actually trade some serious hits with each other. I'm hoping it's not a one-sided fight though.
It's a cover that may or may not represent a literal part of the story.
At least it's still got it's arm attached.
Predator fans don't half whine...
It will definitely be a tough fight for Ahab. There's a reason he thinks an Engineer will be a worthy last hunt: it's a challenge. He'll probably spend most of the fight on the ropes, but pull off a heroic kill at the very end.
And I agree, the AvP #4 cover looks great.
Also...
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The summary makes it sound like Francis will expose himself to the accelerant to try and save himself. I can't wait to see how badly that goes!
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 15, 2014, 02:32:47 AMAs for Predator Issue Four's cover.. I'm hoping that's a red herring cover because the writing team has been building Ahab up like an ultimate bad-ass Predator, perhaps more bad-ass than Dachande but I would hate to hear that he dies like a punk or is beaten like a rag-doll to an Engineer. I'd expect the two to actually trade some serious hits with each other. I'm hoping it's not a one-sided fight though.
I don't think you have anything to worry about. No writer worth his salt would choose to have the final showdown be a one-sided beatdown. Even AvP Requiem has the Predalien go toe to toe with Wolf (and overpowering Wolf at several times)
That said...as far as I'm aware, there are at least two common types of covers. Some covers portray an actual scene occurring in the story. Other covers feature artwork representative of some concept or theme of the story (without necessarily depicting a "real" scene)
For instance, the cover with the disarmed alien. Dachande never does that. I guess you could argue it might've happened off-screen, but I'd argue that it would be rather unlikely for a predator as smart and skilled as Dachande to end up grappling with an alien on the ground. More likely, the cover simply represents the concept of aliens vs. predator, the savagery of both creatures
I can think of more than a few examples off the top of my head. For example...
The predator in Big Game doesn't have a glaive (cool weapon...but it's not in the comic)
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I don't remember any scene in Big Game in which the predator looms over an unconscious guy with a knife
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I don't think something like this ever happens in AvP #0. Predator fingers aren't immune to acid. Partial resistance is mentioned in the novel but predators aren't completely immune. What we have here is simply rule of cool applied to a scene not found in the comic
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No alien ever strikes a pose behind the Asian guy as he caresses a predator mask (this sort of cover is even more abstract as it's arguable that the cover doesn't represent the "true" spatial relationship among the elements)
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CBR has a new preview of AvP #2.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=24124 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=24124)
So now that we established that Elden is a synthetic, and that he is somehow mutating.. The dialogue suggest he likens himself to an Engineer.. With strange Wolverine healing factor and John Carpenter's the Thing morphing abilities.
....What?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 18, 2014, 01:38:03 AM
So now that we established that Elden is a synthetic, and that he is somehow mutating.. The dialogue suggest he likens himself to an Engineer.. With strange Wolverine healing factor and John Carpenter's the Thing morphing abilities.
....What?
Yeah, they're definitely taking some inspiration from The Thing, but I don't mind it much because the whole "grotesque alien body horror" aspect of that movie fits pretty well with the black goo side of Prometheus. The healing factor also makes some sense, as it ups the ante by making him unkillable. I hope they go even further with the gross mutation angle. On a similar note...
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Is anyone else starting to think that Elden will ultimately decide to try and finish what the Engineers on LV-223 started: bringing the goo to Earth and "unmaking" the humans? I can see that being the plot of Prometheus: Omega, with Ahab and Galgo having to stop him.
I'm still trying to understand how a synthetic can mutate from the black liquid and suddenly be given Wolverine/Deadpool healing acceleration (makes sense for the worms but a Synthetic? Also.. did Fifield have a healing factor? I know he had to be crushed twice and set ablaze to be killed) and shape-shifting but I'm guessing that will be explained in later releases.. :-\
Also reading the Xenopedia message boards, a lot of people are saying that the Engineers traveling through time has been confirmed. Any word on that whatsoever? So far Ultramorph, you've been calling predictions and they've happened as you hypothesized.
I haven't read Prometheus #2 yet, but I thought I saw in one of the reviews that Francis gives Elden some sort of watered down black goo, so maybe that explains why he reacts differently than Fifield.
As far as the time travel thing, I need to check out the Xenopedia forums, but my guess is that if people are discussing it over there, it's probably just a spin-off of my speculation on here. The only thing that makes me think I may be on to something is that Sebela said (jokingly, of course) on Twitter that someone would murder him if he answered my question about time travel. It could just be that Elden is talking nonsense. I'm certainly interested to see what they have planned.
So will the Deacon feature in Fire and Stone at all ? Maybe The Deacon is the predator's ultimate prey that's revealed in Predator #4 ?
It's not yet clear what role, if any, the Deacon will play in Fire and Stone; though there is a big reference to it on the last page of Aliens #1. Whether or not this is an actual story hint or just a cute reference remains to be seen.
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A bunch of pointy rocks that look a bit like a Deacon's head is a "big reference"?
QuoteAlso reading the Xenopedia message boards, a lot of people are saying that the Engineers traveling through time has been confirmed. Any word on that whatsoever?
It's not confirmed. I think people are misinterpreting the line "they move through time" as time travel,when in context it more likely means they've been around for eons and are long lived.
EDIT - Found the thread you're talking about on Xenopedia. Ye Gods... makes my brain hurt...
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A bunch of pointy rocks that look a bit like a Deacon's head is a "big reference"?
QuoteAlso reading the Xenopedia message boards, a lot of people are saying that the Engineers traveling through time has been confirmed. Any word on that whatsoever?
It's not confirmed. I think people are misinterpreting the line "they move through time" as time travel,when in context it more likely means they've been around for eons and are long lived.
The reference is certainly unsubtle. We'll let future issues decide how "big" or relevant it is.
And I do definitely see the "moved through time" line as possibly just referring to long life spans and being an ancient species. Whatever it all winds up meaning, it's interesting to speculate, and much like Ridley Scott intended with Prometheus, I think Dark Horse wants us to speculate about this stuff. If people on other sites take things I've specualted to extremes, that's unfortunate, but people can usually set themselves straight with a simple Google search.
For the record, the covers haven't always been pro-predator
Here's Broken Tusk looking like he's about to get his shit destroyed by a drone
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Is the deacon still going to be in it at all? They must have been removed for a reason.
Juan Ferreyra just tweeted a preview of the last page of Prometheus. Nothing too spoilery, but don't look if you want to go in blind.
https://twitter.com/juaneferreyra/status/527077051699052545 (https://twitter.com/juaneferreyra/status/527077051699052545)
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I dig the creatures in the walls.
CBR has an awesome preview of Predator #2. Beware, as usual, of spoilers.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=24320 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=24320)
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I love the visual story-telling. That last page is so cool. I like how Ahab is searching for the Engineers, it's a neat parallel to the human characters from Prometheus.(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fpreview%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FPRFS-2-PG-06-dca75.jpg&hash=d25a55362d3c5cca7e1614322dbd6c02cc31a278)
Huh.. So the Engineers created/intervened with the Shokan type creatures.. Hmmm..
is the predator going to be able to get stellar coordinates off of a cave painting as well? ::)
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 30, 2014, 01:50:39 AM
is the predator going to be able to get stellar coordinates off of a cave painting as well? ::)
I doubt it, given the fact that he finds the mural more than a century before he goes to LV-223.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 30, 2014, 01:50:39 AMis the predator going to be able to get stellar coordinates off of a cave painting as well? ::)
I don't think that's how he got the coordinates. That's probably how he started to develop an interest in the Engineers as prey. He hunts on multiple planets with intelligent life, and on all/most of these planets, he finds evidence of the Engineers. That's how an Engineer becomes his elusive White Whale.
If Ahab is part of the hunting party at the beginning of AvP #1, it would appear that his presence in the LV-223 area is incidental.
The Dark Horse website has a 6-page preview of Prometheus #3. As usual, if you want to go in blind, don't look.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/23-596?page=0 (http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/23-596?page=0)
For anyone interested in whether or not the Deacon will be making an appearance in Fire and Stone, you might want to check out artist Patric Reynold's Twitter. Beware of spoilers, and keep in mind that it is unclear as to whether or not this is from the current version of Fire and Stone, or the one from before the Fox-mandated rewrite. Either way, it's pretty neat.
https://twitter.com/patric_reynolds/status/528640699772973056 (https://twitter.com/patric_reynolds/status/528640699772973056)
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UPDATE: If you look at the full conversation on the tweet (I'm having trouble getting the link to just his response), he confirms that it is from
BOTH versions of Fire and Stone!
Quote"from both, actually! I HIDE NOTHING."
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 01, 2014, 08:56:19 PM
For anyone interested in whether or not the Deacon will be making an appearance in Fire and Stone, you might want to check out artist Patric Reynold's Twitter. Beware of spoilers, and keep in mind that it is unclear as to whether or not this is from the current version of Fire and Stone, or the one from before the Fox-mandated rewrite. Either way, it's pretty neat.
https://twitter.com/patric_reynolds/status/528640699772973056 (https://twitter.com/patric_reynolds/status/528640699772973056)
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UPDATE: If you look at the full conversation on the tweet (I'm having trouble getting the link to just his response), he confirms that it is from BOTH versions of Fire and Stone!
Quote"from both, actually! I HIDE NOTHING."
Great! Finally we can see it.
BTW, I have a question: Are Engineers wearing their spacesuits in any of these comics?
So far we've seen one Engineer in its chair suit, but not with the helmet on.
I'm quite excited to see some Deacons!
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 01, 2014, 11:21:15 PM
So far we've seen one Engineer in its chair suit, but not with the helmet on.
I'm quite excited to see some Deacons!
I wanna believe but I have a feeling the deacons were pre-rewrite. Man...I wish they would somehow release the pre-rewrite work in the future. Maybe as part of a collector's edition of Fire & Stone
It would definitely be cool if we eventually got to see some of the original stuff, but I doubt that will happen until after Prometheus 2 comes and goes, if ever.
As far as the Deacon, I'm reasonably sure we'll see it in Fire and Stone. Aside from Reynolds' Twitter today, the Prometheus #4 cover still features pointy-headed creatures that might well Deacons.
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If anyone wants to know a bit more about where the
thing from the end of Aliens #2 is going, Patric Reynolds posted a picture on his Tumblr that shows a bit. Beware of spoilers.
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It looks like an interesting cross between Fifiled and Elden. I'm looking forward to the final two issues.
If anyone want to see it, Patric Reynolds finished Aliens today, and he posted what appear to be some of the final pages of Aliens: Fire and Stone. It looks like good stuff. Beware of spoilers.
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Also, I was looking at the solicitations for January again, and I noticed something about...
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Elden's "final form." It looks a lot like the mural from Prometheus. The plot thickens?
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CBR has a new preview of AvP #3. Beware of spoilers.
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http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=24587 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=24587)
Elden is looking more and more interesting, and I'm looking forward to seeing what the accelerated Predator has in store.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 12, 2014, 01:48:21 AMCBR has a new preview of AvP #3. Beware of spoilers.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=24587 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=24587)
Interesting...very interesting.
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Predator walks away from Francis as I've been hoping...possible team-up with Elden? Mutated Predator as ultimate enemy?
Quote from: happypred on Nov 13, 2014, 02:55:02 AM
Interesting...very interesting. Spoiler
Predator walks away from Francis as I've been hoping...possible team-up with Elden? Mutated Predator as ultimate enemy?
That would be pretty cool.
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The AvP #4 cover certainly leaves it open to interpretation just what the relationship is between Elden and the Predator.
I'm really looking forward to seeing what the endgame is in Omega. I imagine that it will be Ahab and company stopping Elden from black gooing Earth.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 13, 2014, 03:25:15 AMSpoiler
The AvP #4 cover certainly leaves it open to interpretation just what the relationship is between Elden and the Predator. I'm really looking forward to seeing what the endgame is in Omega. I imagine that it will be Ahab and company stopping Elden from black gooing Earth.
Perhaps
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Ahab or the other predator survives...for once, the predators don't all die, maybe eh...
That would be a nice twist on how these stories usually end.
I have to assume...
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that part of Omega will be LV-223 getting the old "nuke it from orbit" treatment.
I have to wonder how, or even if, Dark Horse plans on continuing with the Prometheus part of this universe.
Personally, I don't like the idea of the remaining Predator and Elden teaming up.. I mean it didn't make much sense considering the fact that Elden was blooded immediately after killing one Predator, causing another to mutate. Really, I don't mean to piss on everyone's Cheerio's here but... WHAT? Why would a Predator give an organism that is clearly a large threat that killed one of it's comrades, caused another to mutate the marking of a warrior? I mean in the context of what characters like Machiko and Alexa Woods did, receiving the blood mark makes sense but this just.. doesn't. At least for me it doesn't. And neither would a team up, unless this Predator is now some sort of "race traitor" out of self preservation.
As for the mutated Predator.. It seems to possess some range of intelligence. Enough to actually recognize weapons and their functions and applications. Now, I'm not exactly sure how the black slime works or if this is a "diluted" form of it but from what Prometheus showed us, the black goo turns the infected into visceral and bestial things.. Case in point Fifield. Now I'm sure the infected Predator probably is that but to recognize weapons and use them? Eeeeeehh.
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The Predator doesn't know that the other Predator is mutating when it marks Elden. Elden says it's smart enough to know when it's outmatched. You want it to blindly try and take Elden on, knowing that he's had a hole blown in him, and been impaled on a spear and wrist blades and not batted an eyelid AND he's controlling the Aliens?
Makes more sense to pick your battles, than giving status to some prey who got lucky when an Alien walked onto a spear said prey was holding and the Alien forgot it had arms.
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You want it to blindly try and take Elden on, knowing that he's had a hole blown in him, and been impaled on a spear and wrist blades and not batted an eyelid AND he's controlling the Aliens?
Never said I wanted exactly what you presented as a scenario to happen, but still it just seems odd to me that a Hunter would mark a prey under those particular circumstances. It comes off as more like: "f**k it! I give up! Here's a marking, please don't kill me!"
As for them taking on prey known for controlling Aliens.. Hasn't stopped them from trying before. I haven't read all of the old EU material but I vaguely remember reading up somewhere that Eloise had some control of the Aliens and she was killing Predators and controlling the Xenomorphs, and they still were going after her but none succeeded but that didn't stop them.
Whatever the case, this Hunter has some options to weigh on here with Elden. I guess we'll see that in later issues..
Also anyone notice some parallels to Francis and Charles Bishop Weyland? Both are sick and dying from a terminal illness and are wanting some form of immortality. Of course you could apply the parallels to Francis and Peter too but.. whatever.
Quote from: SM on Nov 13, 2014, 07:43:42 AM
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Makes more sense to pick your battles, than giving status to some prey who got lucky when an Alien walked onto a spear said prey was holding and the Alien forgot it had arms.
In defense of Alexa Woods, she did a little bit more than get lucky in that one scene. She had saved Scar's hide out of necessity when she blew that one Xenomorph's head off before evacuating that tunnel. But in some way, your point still stands..
As for Machiko.. well.. she's definitely got more merit than Alexa Wood considering that she had done more to earn that blood marking.
Scar not only allowed Lex to live, but also made weapons for her before she actually did anything to earn it.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 13, 2014, 08:23:24 AMNever said I wanted exactly what you presented as a scenario to happen, but still it just seems odd to me that a Hunter would mark a prey under those particular circumstances. It comes off as more like: "f**k it! I give up! Here's a marking, please don't kill me!"
Yup...that's how it came across to me. The Blooding mark is bestowed upon a predator novice shortly after he kills his first xenomorph. Blooding a mutant freak who has just slaughtered one of your buddies is...a bit odd.
I think it would've been more sensible to have the surviving predator attempt to toss Elden his dagger as a sign of respect and stop right there. This would be similar to Predator 2.
Keep in mind that the predator doesn't know whether Elden will turn on him as he tries to mark Elden. Imagine if Elden had, the predator would've looked like a retard.
QuoteAs for them taking on prey known for controlling Aliens.. Hasn't stopped them from trying before.
Three World War has a whole "killer" predator clan with the ability to keep xenomorphs on leashes. That doesn't stop the classic clan from waging war against them.
Quote from: SM on Nov 13, 2014, 07:43:42 AM
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Makes more sense to pick your battles, than giving status to some prey who got lucky when an Alien walked onto a spear said prey was holding and the Alien forgot it had arms.
I think the predators Blood whoever kills an alien. I mean, remember that these "teenage predators" are supposed to start with shoulder cannons. It takes very little skill to blow up aliens with a plasma caster (as evidenced by the hallway scene with Scar and the xenomorph pack led by Grid). Yet I'm pretty sure you would earn the mark regardless of how you kill a xeno
Low standards.
Dark Horse has released a preview for Aliens Issue 3. Spoilers are a given.
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/22-319?page=0 (https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/22-319?page=0)
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Nov 14, 2014, 11:17:31 PM
Dark Horse has released a preview for Aliens Issue 3. Spoilers are a given.
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/22-319?page=0 (https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/22-319?page=0)
Issue 3 is certainly looking interesting. I hope they continue to play with the weird elements like that.
Ariel Olivetti also released a teaser image from what I assume is AvP #4. It isn't too spoilery as far as plot, but don't look if you want to go in blind.
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It looks like Elden can survive in the vacuum of space, so the usual tactic of blowing the baddie out of the airlock won't work on him. This definitely has me wondering just how, or if, he'll eventually meet his end.
Faster than a pissed off Xenomorph, more powerful than an adrenaline junkie Predator.. It's a bird, it's a plane.. It's Super Elden!
Super Elden is the new Machiko
Quote from: happypred on Nov 15, 2014, 02:56:58 AM
Super Elden is the new Machiko
I.. I don't even... You broke me!
I do admit that my first thought was "We haven't seen such great EVA since Caryn Delacroix!" My second thought was "To infinity and beyond!" :laugh:
Yeah Deadliest of the Species was.. weird.. It was like an LSD trip that involved Aliens and Predators.
Sure I like the old EU but.. that story I often forget about.
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Super Elden is the new Machiko
I.. I don't even... You broke me!
He's like Machiko...except no one wants to have sex with him and he's sad. Maybe that big hunk of a predator would like to exchange some black goo ;)
Quote from: happypred on Nov 15, 2014, 08:40:05 AM
He's like Machiko...except no one wants to have sex with him and he's sad. Maybe that big hunk of a predator would like to exchange some black goo ;)
Humor aside.. I honestly don't see the parallels between Elden and Machiko.
Ariel Olivetti has released another page from AvP #3 or #4. This one most definitely contains spoilers.
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We have confirmation of mutant Francis! It will be interesting to see where they go with this.
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...Something about that seems unintentionally hilarious!
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Elden and the remaining Predator are about to battle.. then.. BAM!! Mutant Francis runs out and is going all out Bulk on them and scampers off into the hallway! Ha ha ha ha!
Not much point in Ultramorph posting stuff in spoiler tags if you're just going to explain what's happening behind the spoiler tags...
My bad, I forgot the spoiler tag! :-\
LOL...this means everyone is a
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mutant, except for the remaining predator and the xenomorphs. That's cray cray. What if the xenmorphs get black gooed as well? Mutant clusterf__k in space. I think the story is out of control
It looks like I wasn't too far off when compared it to Gremlins 2.
Quote from: happypred on Nov 18, 2014, 04:20:51 AM
LOL...this means everyone is a
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mutant, except for the remaining predator and the xenomorphs. That's cray cray. What if the xenmorphs get black gooed as well? Mutant clusterf__k in space. I think the story is out of control
Looking at the preview of Aliens #3.. Well..
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Apparently the Xenomorphs can be affected by the black goo. And more importantly, we see a Human/Xenomorph fusion going on ala John Carpenter's The Thing.. I.. don't know how to feel about that. So far the previews leave me not wanting to read the comic. I've got nothing negative to say about them but.. They don't leave me wanting to read them.
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And more importantly, we see a Human/Xenomorph fusion going on ala John Carpenter's The Thing.. I.. don't know how to feel about that.
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I saw that...and I laughed
The February solicitations are up, and that means the final Fire and Stone solicitation: Prometheus-Omega. It doesn't say too much, for obvious reasons, but it is tantalizing.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57175 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57175)
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QuoteKelly Sue DeConnick!
Prometheus: Fire and Stone—Omega
Kelly Sue DeConnick (W), Agustin Alessio (A), and Dave Palumbo (Cover)
On sale Feb 11
FC, 48 pages
$4.99
One-shot
Angela and her fellow survivors are stranded on LV-223, but their mission is not over yet. The answer to their quest could be hidden deep underground, but the strangest nightmare of all stands in their way.
• From writer Kelly Sue DeConnick (Bitch Planet, Captain Marvel, Pretty Deadly).
So it looks like
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Elden survives the events of Fire and Stone?
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That alien and dude fusing in Aliens #3 looks just like a picture from the dinosaurs attack bubblegum cards. The card set had a great drawing of a guy and dinosaur spliced together cause the dinosaur timewarped into the physical space the guy inhabited. I'll try and find the picture
i like the primitive weapons . but not totally excited about human and predator team up again .
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 18, 2014, 07:56:03 PM
The February solicitations are up, and that means the final Fire and Stone solicitation: Prometheus-Omega. It doesn't say too much, for obvious reasons, but it is tantalizing.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57175 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57175)
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QuoteKelly Sue DeConnick!
Prometheus: Fire and Stone—Omega
Kelly Sue DeConnick (W), Agustin Alessio (A), and Dave Palumbo (Cover)
On sale Feb 11
FC, 48 pages
$4.99
One-shot
Angela and her fellow survivors are stranded on LV-223, but their mission is not over yet. The answer to their quest could be hidden deep underground, but the strangest nightmare of all stands in their way.
• From writer Kelly Sue DeConnick (Bitch Planet, Captain Marvel, Pretty Deadly).
CBR has a short preview of Prometheus #4. It's nothing terribly spoilery, but, as usual, be warned.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=24750 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=24750)
What I like more and more as this fire and stone series goes along is how some series appeal more to others and I think that helps overall enthusiasm and shows these comics were a good idea. It seems if a hype train comes everyone is quick to jump off and obviously if a film/comic/book etc. sucks it will be mercilessly stomped upon especially in our fanbase. Fire and Stone has led to some good talk between me and my friends, we all have different issues and storylines that we prefer and I think that is one of the best things about this series. I also see the same talk on this board and others which I think means good storytelling and overall a successful attempt. I'm so grateful this wasn't another xenogenisis outcome.
I agree, this event has definitely been quite successful so far in not repeating the mistakes made by past events. And you're right, it does seem to be getting some attention outside the traditional fanbase. I guess Prometheus really was the shot in the arm the franchise needed.
Quote from: worldpeace on Nov 21, 2014, 09:15:33 AM
i like the primitive weapons . but not totally excited about human and predator team up again .
Yeah...never been a fan of team ups BUT
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I enjoyed Aliens vs. Predator Prey but I did so despite the team up, not because of it. That said, the team up in Prey was done reasonable well and thus it wasn't as cringe-inducing/laughable as 2004's team up between Scar and Lex
The team up in Duel was executed well too.
The team up in Three World War was horrendous. Marines and Predators clasping hands as brothers- in-arms? Please...
Galgo and Ahab is in my opinion a superior team up than Dachande and Machiko. I actually think team ups work better with a strong male human character. The two are obviously wary of each other and have no respect for each other. Ahab is using Galgo and Galgo is waiting for an opportunity to back stab Ahab.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 23, 2014, 01:03:21 AM
I agree, this event has definitely been quite successful so far in not repeating the mistakes made by past events. And you're right, it does seem to be getting some attention outside the traditional fanbase. I guess Prometheus really was the shot in the arm the franchise needed.
I'll say this also, I don't think fire and stone, alien isolation, and the new novels are a coincidence. I feel whomever the people are that have say so in this alien and predator prometheus universe have taken the actual time to think things through a bit more and are trying to create a universe that makes sense no matter what medium a story takes place in. IMO that is a guaranteed money maker. If you have too much standalone material or material that doesn't make sense you'll miss out on revenue from people who say only movies are canon. Sure people will still feel that way but weaving all this stuff together I feel will better attract new fans and mayble old fans who got pissed off at the inconsistency of past media tie ins. I can only hope so. I'm not even sure there is a person or people at FOX who make a some final decision on how this stuff should fit together but I like the direction things are heading. I was reflecting the other day that it's been sometime since a recent game, comic book, and book all came out showing my favorite movie creature in such a way and that I was this excited to see the future of this franchise and I'm older now, but yet I feel like I did when I was young waitin to see what new things are happening to this universe and I can't help but be happy with this franchise again.
CBR has a preview of Predator #3. As usual, be warned of spoilers.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=24772 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=24772)
QuoteI'll say this also, I don't think fire and stone, alien isolation, and the new novels are a coincidence.
It isn't.
You'll continue find the name 'Joshua Izzo' popping up in a lot of the media.
I'm wondering...
Will they try to redeem Galgo? Or is he just going to be a character we love to hate? The way he did his partners over in Predator #1 was stone cold
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And the other cold shit he did before that. The only thing that would redeem him is to make the ultimate sacrifice.
Just for fun I asked Sebela on Twitter what he thinks Elden sounds like, and his answer was:
Quote@xtop: @grnbrmdd12 different. Maybe the booming engineer voice through a t-pain microphone.
https://twitter.com/xtop/status/539528385089658880 (https://twitter.com/xtop/status/539528385089658880)
So basically a mix between the Engineer and Ash after he's decapitated.
Hey everyone, I have something neat to tell guys. I found the official Facebook page for Patric Reynolds. I asked him when the preview for Aliens #4 will be released and how far along he was with the art. He said that he got done with the art three weeks ago, and that the preview for the issue should be up soon. He also told me that some crazy stuff is waiting for us in the next issue!
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php story_fbid=760548373981030&id=212322795470260&comment_id=760560423979825&offset=0&total_comments=3¬if_t=feed_comment (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=760548373981030&id=212322795470260&comment_id=760560423979825&offset=0&total_comments=3¬if_t=feed_comment)
Comic Book Resources has a preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=25024) for Aliens #4. If you want to go in completely surprised, do not read.
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Dec 10, 2014, 03:11:47 PM
Comic Book Resources has a preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=25024) for Aliens #4. If you want to go in completely surprised, do not read.
It looks like issue #4 will be quite intriguing.
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I like how the speculation of about the mountain is heating up. I'm sure it won't be dealt with fully until Prometheus Omega, but it's cool nonetheless.
I like what Cale is becoming. There are definitely interesting parallels between him and what's happenig to Elden. The art overall looks great in the preview. Very dark and atmospheric. It's also nice having Russel as a character that is actually engaging, as a lack of such a character has really been hurting the AvP side of Fire and Stone.
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The idea that Cale is becoming more like a xenomorph because he was in contact with one when exposed to the black goo raises some interesting possibilities for some of the other comics. In AvP #3, Elden becomes a bit more xeno-like as the aliens tear him up. I am now wondering if he'll start taking on Predator attributes when he fights the yautja.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 10, 2014, 08:44:08 PM
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Dec 10, 2014, 03:11:47 PM
Comic Book Resources has a preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=25024) for Aliens #4. If you want to go in completely surprised, do not read.
It looks like issue #4 will be quite intriguing.
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I like how the speculation of about the mountain is heating up. I'm sure it won't be dealt with fully until Prometheus Omega, but it's cool nonetheless.
I like what Cale is becoming. There are definitely interesting parallels between him and what's happenig to Elden. The art overall looks great in the preview. Very dark and atmospheric. It's also nice having Russel as a character that is actually engaging, as a lack of such a character has really been hurting the AvP side of Fire and Stone.
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I would have to agree about AVP. I think that what has hurt the AVP story is that there isn't a whole lot of actual aliens vs predator action going on. Most of the time has been dedicated towards Francis and Elden. I could honestly care less what happens with Francis. I really like Elden, but the Aliens and Predators are given second fiddle. Now, there was nice bits of actually aliens vs predator fighting going on in the second issue and somewhat in the third, but overall, they have been set to the side for Elden and Francis. Personally, I wish that Francis was left out of the AVP arc and saved for Omega . They could have kept Elden as his fights with the Predators are fantastic. They could have also kept the mutant predator. However, Francis should of just stayed out of the book because he just drags down the story and the action.
It's highly ironic that at a panel, Sebela said something to the effect of "what fans want most from AvP is aliens vs. predator fighting and action"
His work provides little of that
To be honest, I'm not sure why they've separated them into individual titles. It's one long story.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 13, 2014, 07:56:20 PM
To be honest, I'm not sure why they've separated them into individual titles. It's one long story.
That was the one thing I didn't like about the whole "reboot". I would have preferred standalone stories that made references to the other stories. I especially didn't like how "Prometheus heavy" the story was. Unless the stories get significantly better and Prometheus free, I will be passing on future Aliens, Predator, and AVP titles.
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Dec 15, 2014, 03:59:36 PM
Unless the stories get significantly better and Prometheus free, I will be passing on future Aliens, Predator, and AVP titles.
I feel you.. But considering that everything is being either rebooted or rewritten, and possibly cherry picked to accomodate Prometheus.. Expect a lot of Prometheus themes to be in many titles. Especially the Alien and potentially AvP titles. The new Alien novels have some subtle, and sometimes direct ties to Prometheus.
Whilst I don't feel the film was executed as well as it should have been, I do like a lot of elements it brought forward. And it's refreshing to see the new media use them because I was getting bored of the same old schtick.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 15, 2014, 07:55:15 PM
Whilst I don't feel the film was executed as well as it should have been, I do like a lot of elements it brought forward. And it's refreshing to see the new media use them because I was getting bored of the same old schtick.
I agree with that. The new comics are doing some interesting things with the black goo, and the new novels seem to be setting up more involvement with races like the Arcturians. I'm really curious to see if Dark Horse does any more Prometheus comics, or whether elements of Prometheus like the accelerant show up in later Alien/Predator comics. I definitely get why some fans are turned off by all the changes, but I agree that it's nice to have some new stuff after a lot of the samey EU we've gotten over the years.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 15, 2014, 08:00:31 PM
I definitely get why some fans are turned off by all the changes, but I agree that it's nice to have some new stuff after a lot of the samey EU we've gotten over the years.
Personally, I don't like the changes. I almost actually feel like a "bad fan" and that I should turn in my membership card just for not really liking these changes. I prefer the old stuff because for me that's where the "true" AvP is.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 15, 2014, 08:05:57 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 15, 2014, 08:00:31 PM
I definitely get why some fans are turned off by all the changes, but I agree that it's nice to have some new stuff after a lot of the samey EU we've gotten over the years.
Personally, I don't like the changes. I almost actually feel like a "bad fan" and that I should turn in my membership card just for not really liking these changes. I prefer the old stuff because for me that's where the "true" AvP is.
What changes may I ask?
I disliked the corniness of the old EU intensely and it looks like despite how good the art is for these comics they also carry the same corniness as well as the new book trilogy, Predator/Human team up, memory wipe - small Aliens etc
Unless I'm mistaken and the execution is a lot better this time round- I don't see a difference between the two EU's.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 15, 2014, 07:55:15 PM
Whilst I don't feel the film was executed as well as it should have been, I do like a lot of elements it brought forward. And it's refreshing to see the new media use them because I was getting bored of the same old schtick.
I thought the story was uninspired and at times felt "lazy" and that a large part of it was the same old sci fi schtick that has been used in countless genre movies over the years. The only thing it had going for it was beautiful cinematography. Other than that I thought it was an "OK" monster movie.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Dec 15, 2014, 08:24:40 PM
What changes may I ask?
They essentially New 52'ed everything. And what I mean is by that, is how they essentially decided to wipe the slate clean and start over just to accommodate Prometheus. So not only are they starting over, but they're sort of also cherry picking as well since apparently, Newts Tale is also accounted for in one of the Titan books.
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Dec 15, 2014, 08:39:04 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 15, 2014, 07:55:15 PM
Whilst I don't feel the film was executed as well as it should have been, I do like a lot of elements it brought forward. And it's refreshing to see the new media use them because I was getting bored of the same old schtick.
I thought the story was uninspired and at times felt "lazy" and that a large part of it was the same old sci fi schtick that has been used in countless genre movies over the years. The only thing it had going for it was beautiful cinematography. Other than that I thought it was an "OK" monster movie.
I agree, although David's character and my preference for the look of the film versus AVP or A:R for instance puts it on a higher pedestal than it perhaps should be at an objective standard- and I'm also thankful for it reviving the Alien franchise recently.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 15, 2014, 08:42:09 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Dec 15, 2014, 08:24:40 PM
What changes may I ask?
They essentially New 52'ed everything. And what I mean is by that, is how they essentially decided to wipe the slate clean and start over just to accommodate Prometheus. So not only are they starting over, but they're sort of also cherry picking as well since apparently, Newts Tale is also accounted for in one of the Titan books.
I don't see the problem, if they have someone with good taste that is directing the whole affair that is- leaving stuff like AVP:R to rot in a ditch where it belongs along with ACM comics.
And "cherry picking" the good such as Newt's Tale.
I really hope Prometheus 2 isn't shit
I can't say the first one is garbage...but it could've been so much more other than pretty cinematography and some symbolism here and there. Characters, plot, and tension decide the greatness of almost any movie. Prometheus doesn't really rise above the pack in any of those regards
Ariel Olivetti has released a preview of AvP #4, and we get a better look at what's happening to a certain character. Spoiler warning.
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Joshua Williamson has also released a small preview of Ahab's battle with the white whale. Also spoilers.
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Okay...
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Francis sort of reminds of Slash from the IDW TMNT series rather than a creature from Prometheus. Especially with the bone plastron which is forming on his chest and abdomen region. And are the mutated Predator and Francis teaming up or duking it out?
And Ahab vs the Engineer.. Okay, I'm hoping that this will be a toss up of a fight where both sides are treated evenly. And not something like Creed vs Drago. I know that the Engineers are supposed to be the big boss, but hopefully Ahab will be displayed as being tough enough to hang with an Engineer. I mean for one Engineer to take on droves of Xenomorphs with bare hands? Eeeeeeh.. I'm no Alien fan but I would've thought one would provide a fight.
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I'm really not sure how I feel about the design of Francis. I like Elden, and the black goo Predator has a certain appeal, but I agree, Francis is looking a bit too much like a deranged Ninja Turtle here. I'll reserve a final judgement until the issue comes out, of course.
As far as the fight with Ahab, I have to echo one of the reviews for Predator #3 by saying that I hope the Engineer uses some technology and wits in the fight, rather than just beating on Ahab with his bare hands like we see in that preview panel.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 21, 2014, 01:08:13 AM
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As far as the fight with Ahab, I have to echo one of the reviews for Predator #3 by saying that I hope the Engineer uses some technology and wits in the fight, rather than just beating on Ahab with his bare hands like we see in that preview panel.
Why? It would be totally in character and a-typically Predator for Ahab to challenge him to a fist fight.
CBR has released a preview of AvP #4. Beware of spoilers.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=25258 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=25258)
Thanks , I'll put it online when I get home. Looks like a lot of mutant action.
Is it me or does Elden...
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Seem to come off as "Why can't we be friends?! If we can't be friends.. YOU MUST DIE!!" a little too much in the AvP storyline?
Also..
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Doesn't the black goo remove most of the cerebral functions of the brain and instead emphasize on the visceral? You know, like how with Fifield went from becoming a knowledgeable geologist to becoming this bestial, visceral thing? How come Francis is able to more or less retain his ability for speech and rational thinking?
As far as your second question, Rakai...
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Francis was exposed to the goo that filtered through Elden's system, so his mutation is less chaotic than what happened to Fifield or Nolan Cale in the Aliens comic.
Fair enough.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 24, 2014, 07:18:45 PMCBR has released a preview of AvP #4. Beware of spoilers.
Yeah...that's a pretty major spoiler
Quote from: happypred on Dec 25, 2014, 02:07:41 AM
Yeah...that's a pretty major spoiler
Agreed, I was surprised they would spoil something like that. I can't say the preview has me terribly enthused, but I'm still hoping they pull out a good ending.
Something tells me that the last remaining, unmutated Predator..
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Dies like a bitch.
Which I am hoping that isn't to be the case.
Sebela claimed he was going to give us Aliens vs. Predator action...instead he gives us all this mutant sh*t, which I find hilarious
Olivetti's aliens and predators also look like garbage
CBR has a preview of Predator #4. Be aware of spoilers.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=25298 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=25298)
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I like the snippets from Ahab's hunts in search of the Engineers.
Just looking at that preview...
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It seems even an old, retiring, and weary Predator is STILL STRONG ENOUGH to take on an Engineer.. Oooooh ho ho ho ho ho! That just put a f**king smile on my face there!
Also something worth of note...
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It seems as if plenty of races out there actively worship and even have had direct interactions with the Engineers. For plenty of these races to be aware of them, even having had direct contact implies they were created and held in favor of Engineers.. Given that Ahab doesn't know much about this enigmatic race, I think it's safe to say that the Predators may not be a creation of the Engineers. And I most certainly hope it stays that way.
And one more thing...
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Was Ahab hiding during the events of the AvP comic? If so... sneaky sonuvabitch knows how to hide from other Predators as well!
In regards to your second point, I agree. They avoided doing anything silly, while also establishing the Engineers' relationship with other races.
Also, Juan Ferreyra just tweeted about Omega, saying:
Quote@juaneferreyra: @kellysue I just read Prometheus Omega! awesome issue! non stop action! The art is amazing!!
https://twitter.com/juaneferreyra/status/550103713994792960 (https://twitter.com/juaneferreyra/status/550103713994792960)
Looks like we can expect a lot of action in the finale.
I really hope Augustin Alesso's predators and xenomorphs are better than Olivetti's tripe
Olivetti's art got worse and worse with each issue...what is this shit?
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Quote from: happypred on Dec 31, 2014, 09:54:59 AM
I really hope Augustin Alesso's predators and xenomorphs are better than Olivetti's tripe
Olivetti's art got worse and worse with each issue...what is this shit?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/5e/64/07/5e6407a351a60aa5a2d2a8c078361130.jpg
Predators as they truly are, humans with stupid looking crab faces.
I hate to say it, but while they featured some very atmospheric art in places, the series, as a whole, seemed like a bit of a damp squib...
That last issue of the 'Aliens'-focused segment was basically one big excuse for a character to effectively say, "What does it all meeeeean?!" Reiterates a few fan-favourite 'Prometheus' theories and then goes nowhere with it.
To this day, I still don't understand how a synthetic robot was meant to have grown flesh, mutated and had its software programming altered. That entire sub-plot didn't make any sense, at all. It was like the writers got together and went, "How can we make a cool-looking version of Fifield?" But didn't think it through, logically.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 01, 2015, 01:04:44 AM
To this day, I still don't understand how a synthetic robot was meant to have grown flesh, mutated and had its software programming altered. That entire sub-plot didn't make any sense, at all. It was like the writers got together and went, "How can we make a cool-looking version of Fifield?" But didn't think it through, logically.
Agreed and I haven't even so much as read the comic. Sure, I've been told that it's a diluted form of the black liquid but somethings apparently have been tossed around saying that it is technological, but also natural occurring. Nothing really answered.
They're doing an interview series where all the writers of FaS interview each other over at Comicvine. First up is DeConnick interviewing Tobin about Prometheus. Nothing much new, but it's an interesting idea for a series.
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/kelly-sue-deconnick-interviews-paul-tobin-on-prome/1100-150875/ (http://www.comicvine.com/articles/kelly-sue-deconnick-interviews-paul-tobin-on-prome/1100-150875/)
"Whenever Elden was speaking, I wanted MORE."
Seriously? I wish there'd been a heck of a lot less... Almost every time he spoke, I was reminded of how much of a pantomime villain he/it was. All that obsessive bullshit about 'friends' and taking sadistic glee in slaughtering others for a revenge kick, made him/it seem like a total dick.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 01, 2015, 01:42:33 AM
Agreed and I haven't even so much as read the comic. Sure, I've been told that it's a diluted form of the black liquid but somethings apparently have been tossed around saying that it is technological, but also natural occurring. Nothing really answered.
It literally made no sense. I can understand someone thinking the ooze could be diluted, somehow (although, why synthetic fluid should do that was never explained), but how did it generate flesh without any organic components? Why would a synthetic's CPU and software programming be getting rewritten?
It would have made a lot more sense for someone to be getting infected by, say, an Alien's corpse falling into a puddle of the stuff and infecting/changing its nature to a more structured form of biomechanical 'mutation'. Like it's almost a missing component to give the black ooze that additional sense of purpose and direction. We could have had an ordinary human looking more like Elden's end result instead of Fifield's 'genetic chaos' version, that way.
That, I could buy
and it might have given a reason for the character being able to communicate with the Aliens.
A little disappointed that they went out of their way to have survivors from LV-426 escape, only for there to be little point in it. They could have been from a completely different colony and the end result would have been the same (with the added bonus of not violating canon with the PDT stuff).
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 31, 2014, 01:24:28 AMhttp://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=25298 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=25298)
Judging by that sequence of events, I believe it's quite obvious that
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Galgo rushes back and saves Ahab after the Engineer breaks Ahab's arm
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Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 31, 2014, 01:24:28 AMhttp://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=25298 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=25298)
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Galgo rushes back and saves Ahab after the Engineer breaks Ahab's arm
I would have to agree. As far as Omega goes...
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I wonder if we'll get to see Elden interact with an Engineer. That's one meeting I really want to see.
The interview series on Comicvine continues, with Tobin talking to Chris Roberson today. Look out for Roberson talking to Sebela tomorrow.
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/paul-tobin-interviews-chris-roberson-on-aliens-fir/1100-150888/ (http://www.comicvine.com/articles/paul-tobin-interviews-chris-roberson-on-aliens-fir/1100-150888/)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 07, 2015, 08:45:30 PMI would have to agree. As far as Omega goes...
The cover of Omega suggests Ahab's survival
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I don't think Ahab is capable of fighting effectively with a snapped arm. Galgo has to save him [Ahab] to save himself [Galgo]. They then join up with Angela and become an adventuring trio
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Over at Comicvine, Roberson interviewed Chris Sebela today about AvP. It's a pretty interesting look into how Sebela viewed the whole thing. It's pretty neat that all of the Predator dialog was initially written as real English lines.
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/chris-roberson-interviews-chris-sebela-on-alien-vs/1100-150899/ (http://www.comicvine.com/articles/chris-roberson-interviews-chris-sebela-on-alien-vs/1100-150899/)
Tomorrow Sebela interviews Joshua Williamson. If my figuring is right and Williamson interviews DeConnick on Saturday, there's a distinct chance that we could get our first Omega interiors then. I'm not getting my hopes up, but it's possible.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 07, 2015, 02:33:00 AM
"Whenever Elden was speaking, I wanted MORE."
Seriously? I wish there'd been a heck of a lot less... Almost every time he spoke, I was reminded of how much of a pantomime villain he/it was. All that obsessive bullshit about 'friends' and taking sadistic glee in slaughtering others for a revenge kick, made him/it seem like a total dick.
He's a robot scorned. :P Personally I love Elden. I love everything about him so far. I can't wait to see how his story closes - I just hope it's good.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 08, 2015, 09:04:58 PM
Over at Comicvine, Roberson interviewed Chris Sebela today about AvP. It's a pretty interesting look into how Sebela viewed the whole thing. It's pretty neat that all of the Predator dialog was initially written as real English lines.
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/chris-roberson-interviews-chris-sebela-on-alien-vs/1100-150899/ (http://www.comicvine.com/articles/chris-roberson-interviews-chris-sebela-on-alien-vs/1100-150899/)
Tomorrow Sebela interviews Joshua Williamson. If my figuring is right and Williamson interviews DeConnick on Saturday, there's a distinct chance that we could get our first Omega interiors then. I'm not getting my hopes up, but it's possible.
I've enjoyed these little interviews. Very fun reads.
Today Sebela interviewed Williamson, and there was some tantalizing stuff in the interview and in the text below it: it's confirmed that we'll be getting our first Omega preview on Monday. There's a possible spoiler about Ahab near the end of the interview, as well.
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/chris-sebela-interviews-joshua-williamson-on-preda/1100-150934/ (http://www.comicvine.com/articles/chris-sebela-interviews-joshua-williamson-on-preda/1100-150934/)
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"If" Williamson gets to write Ahab again? Does this confirm that he lives through Omega?
The Omega trailer has gone live, and the art looks awesome! Beware of potentially spoiler-y images.
http://m.ign.com/videos/2015/01/09/prometheus-omega-trailer (http://m.ign.com/videos/2015/01/09/prometheus-omega-trailer)
Wow. That artwork looks amazing! Getting some serious Lara Croft vibes.
I have to agree, Angela is definitely giving off some strong Lara Croft vibes. The art overall looks very cool. They clearly pulled out all the stops for the conclusion. I took some screenshots of the trailer if anyone wants a closer look. Beware of spoilers.
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Ahab looking like a boss. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwVpC2fP.jpg&hash=b0ec916afdda7923d2344a13a71e502114dfceea)
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Ahab fighting some strange creatures. Notice the creature in the left-most seems to have crystalline structures on its head, remiscnet of the green crystal in the big head room. The creature in the background, the one with the tentacles on its head, is reminiscent of a Predalien. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7PywuBU.jpg&hash=8b1a41892aaf10d39819e77d42b35ae6d5f659f9)
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Elden looking menacing.(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzUr9PZA.jpg&hash=f4e90a5cce457126621d05d7a401ff53758a05d9)
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Two shots of Elden looming over Angela. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fm0gtvEK.jpg&hash=92de653fae163c0787d20dafda102df64858797f)(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FaztrWu7.jpg&hash=616df4054639215ed8f2947b23d48019d58e4a04)
Over at Comicvine, Williamson interviewed DeConnick today about Omega
and we got an exclusive preview. Beware of some potentially big spoilers.
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/josh-williamson-interviews-kelly-sue-on-prometheus/1100-150946/ (http://www.comicvine.com/articles/josh-williamson-interviews-kelly-sue-on-prometheus/1100-150946/)
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This kind of has me lowering my expectations a bit. It seems like there won't be any Engineers in Omega, and it may end with everyone leaving sans any answers. The artwork is definitely appealing, though.
The art is probably enough for me to actually make me almost want to pick up Omega.. Almost.
I don't care how good the art is, there is nothing that can remove the bad taste Prometheus (and the Fire and Stone writers) has vomited on the Aliens and Predator comic franchises. :P
I'm just not sure why DeConnick would say something like "I wish it had been 10-15 pages longer." That sort of thing doesn't really inspire confidence in the consumer. :-\
Still, I'm hoping to be at least entertained.
Also, concerning the mountain...
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I would be pretty disappointed if it turned out that the 'human' signal coming from beneath it just turns out to be the probe from 2090 that we saw in Prometheus #1.
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 12, 2015, 07:11:57 PM
I don't care how good the art is, there is nothing that can remove the bad taste Prometheus (and the Fire and Stone writers) has vomited on the Aliens and Predator comic franchises. :P
May I ask what you don't like about Fire and Stone?
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 12, 2015, 07:11:57 PM
I don't care how good the art is, there is nothing that can remove the bad taste Prometheus (and the Fire and Stone writers) has vomited on the Aliens and Predator comic franchises. :P
Your suffering makes me happy.
I'm not suffering. I'm not the one that was vomited upon... :laugh:
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 12, 2015, 07:30:36 PM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 12, 2015, 07:11:57 PM
I don't care how good the art is, there is nothing that can remove the bad taste Prometheus (and the Fire and Stone writers) has vomited on the Aliens and Predator comic franchises. :P
May I ask what you don't like about Fire and Stone?
Simple answer: I like Aliens, I like Predator, I don't like Prometheus. That movie did nothing to elevate the franchise just like these comics did nothing to elevate their respective series, IMO, of course.
Very least it was better than AVP.
AVP:R, yes it was better than that, but, I actually think AVP was more entertaining than Prometheus.
No I meant it was better than Anderson's AVP- which it is.
I know exactly what you meant, but in case you couldn't tell, opinions are great, we each get to have our own.
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 12, 2015, 09:18:30 PM
I know exactly what you meant, but in case you couldn't tell, opinions are great, we each get to have our own.
Lol
That's a topic for the General AvP board guys. :)
See the interview and Omega preview, Hicks? Might have gotten buried in the page break.
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/josh-williamson-interviews-kelly-sue-on-prometheus/1100-150946/ (http://www.comicvine.com/articles/josh-williamson-interviews-kelly-sue-on-prometheus/1100-150946/)
I did, thanks. It's up on the front page. :)
This artist is the bomb
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.comicvine.com%2Fuploads%2Fignore_jpg_scale_super%2F0%2F40%2F4324839-6%2Bpmtfso%2Bpg%2B06.jpg&hash=900a706ea06c4c49a6aeff1396128f521d310f72)
Ahab seems to have lost his furry loincloth and his harpoon-axe
The art makes me quite tempted to pick up Omega.. Three World War needed art like this.
I've said it a million times and I'll say it again: 3WW's style suited the action scenes brilliantly. Just not when they were stood around talking. It's not the disaster that Sam Keith's work in Female War is.
But yeah, Agustin Alessio's artwork is just extraordinary. Him and Juan Ferreyra have done fantastically for this line.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 13, 2015, 09:09:53 AM
The art makes me quite tempted to pick up Omega.. Three World War needed art like this.
Every single Aliens/Predator/AvP/Prometheus comic would benefit from art like this. A lot of props to the colourist as well. The colouring is really impressive. Great art still looks like shit with bad colouring
Juan and Mooneyham are awesome too. I'm not as crazy about Olivetti and the Aliens guy.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 13, 2015, 10:04:59 AM
I've said it a million times and I'll say it again: 3WW's style suited the action scenes brilliantly. Just not when they were stood around talking. It's not the disaster that Sam Keith's work in Female War is.
You are entitled to your opinion. Mine is that TWW's art is even worse than Female War's
We'll have to disagree on this one, my friend.
Sam Keith's work in Female War just disgusts me. I'll give him Inhuman Condition on a re-read because it makes sense then. But Female War is the worse drawn comic I've seen from Aliens.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 13, 2015, 10:37:29 AM
We'll have to disagree on this one, my friend.
Yeah
QuoteSam Keith's work in Female War just disgusts me.
That's exactly how I feel about TWW's art. I found Female War's art to be rather cartoonish but it didn't strike me as appallingly bad.
I think we agree that the art below is some of the highest quality art to grace the franchise
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.comicvine.com%2Fuploads%2Fignore_jpg_scale_super%2F0%2F40%2F4324839-6%2Bpmtfso%2Bpg%2B06.jpg&hash=900a706ea06c4c49a6aeff1396128f521d310f72)
Agreed. If Ferreyra and Alessio were contracted to do every new A/v/P/Prometheus comic for as long as they live, I'd be happy. The writing on FaS can definitely be criticized, but I think Dark Horse really took complaints about the art on previous events seriously when they were putting together the FaS team.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 13, 2015, 03:02:55 PM
That's exactly how I feel about TWW's art. I found Female War's art to be rather cartoonish but it didn't strike me as appallingly bad.
The problem is it follows on from Nightmare Asylum which is easily one of the most gorgeous Aliens comic. So the severse drop in quality is quite noticeable and doesn't benefit the story in anyway - as opposed to what I feel 3WW does.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 13, 2015, 04:02:09 PM
Agreed. If Ferreyra and Alessio were contracted to do every new A/v/P/Prometheus comic for as long as they live, I'd be happy. The writing on FaS can definitely be criticized, but I think Dark Horse really took complaints about the art on previous events seriously when they were putting together the FaS team.
From the reviews that I have read for each series, the writing has been quite solid except for the
AVP title of course. I wouldn't mind for Roberson, Tobin, and especially Williamson to return to write their respective books. Just replace Sebela with someone who actually gets AVP.
I would love Williamson to do more Predator stories with Ahab. And yeah, Roberson and Tobin wrote their respective series well. It will be interesting to see if Dark Horse does more Prometheus comics in the future, or if this was a one-off thing.
It was Aliens I disliked. It just didn't seem to go anywhere or really matter.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 13, 2015, 04:42:50 PM
It was Aliens I disliked. It just didn't seem to go anywhere or really matter.
It definitely ended abruptly, but I like how Russel's theories planted the seeds for what Francis would do to Elden.
I can understand how you feel due to the abrupt ending, but what made it such an impressive book was how they captured the survival-horror elements of the
Aliens franchise. Instead of following the formula of Cameron's film, they really followed the formula of Scott's film while tying it into the setting of
Prometheus. I also do not think that they are going to leave the
Aliens book in the dark. There are too many loose ends that were not explored in the other books.
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A perfect example is the queen. I am going to assume that Ahab, Angela, and Galgo are going to have to face her. Also, let us not forget about the Deacons. What would be really cool is if the Deacons and the xenos have some kind of hive war going on like in Genocide with our respective protagonists in the mix.
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jan 13, 2015, 04:52:06 PM
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A perfect example is the queen. I am going to assume that Ahab, Angela, and Galgo are going to have to face her. Also, let us not forget about the Deacons. What would be really cool is if the Deacons and the xenos have some kind of hive war going on like in Genocide with our respective protagonists in the mix.
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I'm certainly looking forward to seeing if/how DeConnick handles the Deacon. From the trailer and preview, it looks like we'll be getting some cool beasties.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 13, 2015, 04:02:09 PM
Agreed. If Ferreyra and Alessio were contracted to do every new A/v/P/Prometheus comic for as long as they live, I'd be happy. The writing on FaS can definitely be criticized, but I think Dark Horse really took complaints about the art on previous events seriously when they were putting together the FaS team.
Mooneyham is solid as well. He draws Ahab really well. The scene with Ahab vs. the four-armed aliens is done exceptionally well
I think the Aliens artist is OK
Olivetti...his art isn't bad. His predators and aliens are just odd-looking. Everything else looks fine.
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jan 13, 2015, 04:37:43 PMFrom the reviews that I have read for each series, the writing has been quite solid except for the AVP title of course.
Sebela doesn't get AvP, which is about showing how deadly the two species are...that hunter vs. prey dynamic (both are hunters and both are prey). Aliens vs. Predator should be the main event, mutants should be the sideshow. Sebela provides the opposite.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 14, 2015, 02:00:00 AM
Sebela doesn't get AvP, which is about showing how deadly the two species are...that hunter vs. prey dynamic (both are hunters and both are prey). Aliens vs. Predator should be the main event, mutants should be the sideshow. Sebela provides the opposite.
I agree. In all honesty, AVP is the one book that should not have been added in this event. It doesn't further the overall story in any way, and it turned Elden from an interesting character in the
Prometheus story to a babbling idiot spouting out all kinds of rhetoric. I liked him in the first two issues, but his character just became too preachy with poor dialog in issues three and four.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 14, 2015, 02:00:00 AM
Sebela doesn't get AvP, which is about showing how deadly the two species are...that hunter vs. prey dynamic (both are hunters and both are prey). Aliens vs. Predator should be the main event, mutants should be the sideshow. Sebela provides the opposite.
I don't think that's really the problem. The problem is the story they're trying to tell and at its core, it's just not about the two creatures knocking heads. It's about Elden, it's about Francis and it's about the accelerant. It just doesn't work when one of the series is titled Aliens vs. Predator. Should have been titled differently.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 14, 2015, 08:19:34 AMI don't think that's really the problem.
Well...it kinda is the problem when the series is titled "AvP". You're expecting Aliens vs. Predator to take centre stage
I'm not saying a writer couldn't write a good story about mutants with some Aliens vs. Predator action going on in the background. I'm saying that
1. Such a story shouldn't be titled "AvP"
2. Sebela's mutant story is bad
We're half agreeing here. I completely agree it shouldn't be called AvP. The nature of the story they wanted to tell meant it wasn't. I don't think its fair to say he can't write AvP. I just think, over-all, they weren't attempting to. Fire and Stone has been an exercise on playing with the Prometheus influences. The titles have been somewhat misleading TBH.
I haven't had a chance to finish reading all of AvP yet so I can't really comment on its over all quality but I have enjoyed #1-3 so far.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 14, 2015, 09:51:11 AMI don't think its fair to say he can't write AvP. I just think, over-all, they weren't attempting to.
He either lied or failed miserably...take your pick
Quote from: happypred on Jan 14, 2015, 03:56:53 PM
He either lied or failed miserably...take your pick
I'd buy that for a dollar.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 14, 2015, 03:56:53 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 14, 2015, 09:51:11 AMI don't think its fair to say he can't write AvP. I just think, over-all, they weren't attempting to.
He either lied or failed miserably...take your pick
To be fair on the fella, there was some early on.
But like we've said, it just shouldn't have been called Alien vs Predator.
Have these already been posted?:
- http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Fire-Stone-Paul-Tobin/dp/1616556501 (http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Fire-Stone-Paul-Tobin/dp/1616556501)
- http://www.amazon.com/Aliens-Fire-Stone-Chris-Roberson/dp/1616556552 (http://www.amazon.com/Aliens-Fire-Stone-Chris-Roberson/dp/1616556552)
- http://www.amazon.com/Alien-vs-Predator-Fire-Stone/dp/1616556919 (http://www.amazon.com/Alien-vs-Predator-Fire-Stone/dp/1616556919)
- http://www.amazon.com/Predator-Fire-Stone-Joshua-Williamson/dp/1616556951 (http://www.amazon.com/Predator-Fire-Stone-Joshua-Williamson/dp/1616556951)
Any news yet on the next round of upcoming books (Aliens/Prometheus/AVP) after Fire & Stone? Besides Archie vs. Predator.
I'd like to have year round Aliens comics coming.
???
Quote from: Quarax on Jan 18, 2015, 04:08:52 AM
Have these already been posted?:
- http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Fire-Stone-Paul-Tobin/dp/1616556501 (http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Fire-Stone-Paul-Tobin/dp/1616556501)
- http://www.amazon.com/Aliens-Fire-Stone-Chris-Roberson/dp/1616556552 (http://www.amazon.com/Aliens-Fire-Stone-Chris-Roberson/dp/1616556552)
- http://www.amazon.com/Alien-vs-Predator-Fire-Stone/dp/1616556919 (http://www.amazon.com/Alien-vs-Predator-Fire-Stone/dp/1616556919)
- http://www.amazon.com/Predator-Fire-Stone-Joshua-Williamson/dp/1616556951 (http://www.amazon.com/Predator-Fire-Stone-Joshua-Williamson/dp/1616556951)
I don't see Omega in any of those TPBs. I wonder if that's hinting at a single-volume Fire and Stone collection or omnibus at some later date.
Quote from: vikingspawn on Jan 18, 2015, 05:06:21 PM
Any news yet on the next round of upcoming books (Aliens/Prometheus/AVP) after Fire & Stone? Besides Archie vs. Predator.
I'd like to have year round Aliens comics coming.
???
No word on anything beyond Archie vs Predator. Maybe we'll get something in late 2015, but I wouldn't count on it. Dark Horse is probably going to wait and see how the FaS TPBs sell before they make any decisions about future series.
That being said, I would love if they did another Prometheus book.
I'm surprised there aren't any more title announcements now that the current books are finishing their final issues. The relaunch has been selling pretty well for Dark Horse since they lost the Star wars license. I thought the Star Wars void would open up more monthly publishing for the Aliens line. They need something for Summer at least.
Well you have to remember, Alien-Predator is not necessarily as popular as Star Wars. Infact, most of what Dark Horse had put out was mostly nothing BUT Star Wars and that was their strongest seller I believe. Now that the Star Wars license left behind a void, Dark Horse has decided to create more superhero titles. Infact.. I don't see Alien-Predator becoming a regular thing but instead being pumped out to promote the movies more and more. When Shane's movie comes out as well as the Prometheus sequel, I can guarantee you that we will see an influx of comics but nothing on going.
There were really only 4 Star Wars rotating titles at a time per month at Dark Horse and everything else has been creator owned stuff and their recent superhero line sank like a stone. Now Buffy and "Fire & Stone" are their best sellers since Star Wars left last August:
http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/30647/top-300-comics-actual-december-2014 (http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/30647/top-300-comics-actual-december-2014)
I remember when Aliens/Predator had several minis all the a time during the '90s. Those were the days. I'd like to see them return back to that kind of output especially since there have been several year gaps without any new books at all.
Yeah, the notion that Dark Horse was living off of Star Wars was a myth. Mike Richardson has said that it basically only amounted to 6% of their income. Even if some creative accounting was involved in getting that number, they were still probably getting hit hard by licensing fees for Star Wars.
I hope DH has a prosperous future ahead of it, and that Alien and Predator are a part of it.
Quote from: vikingspawn on Jan 19, 2015, 11:29:00 PMNow Buffy and "Fire & Stone" are their best sellers since Star Wars left last August
Hellboy is their bestseller, followed by Buffy and AvP
#114
HELLBOY AND THE BPRD #1
$3.50
DAR
22,368
#151
BTVS SEASON 10 #10
$3.50
DAR
16,448
#171
ALIEN VS PREDATOR FIRE AND STONE #3
$3.50
DAR
13,261
#173
PROMETHEUS FIRE AND STONE #4
$3.50
DAR
13,237
#177
ALIENS FIRE AND STONE #4
$3.50
DAR
12,735
#182
PREDATOR FIRE AND STONE #3
$3.50
DAR
12,128
I really hope Sebela hasn't poisoned the well.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 20, 2015, 12:22:08 AM
I hope DH has a prosperous future ahead of it, and that Alien and Predator are a part of it.
Just quoting you but replying to multiple points. I don't think Aliens/vs/Predator/Prometheus has the story power for an on-going. I'd be interested to see someone try and make a fool of me. But I think a return to the golden age is possible where we've got multiple 4/6 issue stories going.
But I'd really like to see them try and explore new angles. I'd also like to see stories void of Prometheus influence but I'd still like to see that series explored.
To really build a new comic book EU based on the A/P/AvP/Prom franchise, DH would have to expand the mythos.
If you keep the predators and the aliens mysterious, your storytelling is limited to pretty much what DH has done before. I feel like AvP must evolve into something like StarCraft or Mass Effect to sustain a long-running series or even multiple miniseries over a number of years.
Writers have to start digging deep into the franchise, flesh out the universe. Without further expansion, there's only room for the ol' mad scientist (Aliens) or random hunt (Predator) or random hunt with aliens (AvP) stories.
Perhaps Prometheus will be the key to unlocking the potential of the franchise.
Completely agree there. Problem of course is, the films.
I always thought the key was introducing something specific to the EU and then exploring from there. For example, the Engineer's created us. Let's introduce another species they created and start to explore them, their relation to the Aliens and etc. It's a little non-specific but you get the drift. It would hopefully avoid conflict with potential future films but allow for expansion of the mythos in an EU exclusive way.
It's why I really hope Titan actually take these new dog-Aliens and do something with them.
I started reading Fire and Stone recently. I have to say that I was blown away by Aliens and Prometheus, I really think these nailed the film atmosphere.
AvP (ironically) not so much. The predators just aren't doing it for me in these issues... maybe because I can't really ascertain any characterisation, they're just predators going around killing stuff as usual.
However, I've not finished yet, so maybe things will turn around (I've to to the bit where Galgo is giving his captor some grief whilst suspended).
But the first two books were great, I absolutely loved them - and am looking forward to a re-read.
Once done with the comics, I'm going on to the new Aliens novel trilogy (are these connected with the comics - this is a lengthy thread and I've not yet read it, I've been avoiding novel and Fire and Stone threads till I've read them is all).
Quote from: Russ on Jan 20, 2015, 09:53:37 AM
AvP (ironically) not so much. The predators just aren't doing it for me in these issues... maybe because I can't really ascertain any characterisation, they're just predators going around killing stuff as usual.
Biggest problem is it's not an AvP story.
QuoteOnce done with the comics, I'm going on to the new Aliens novel trilogy (are these connected with the comics - this is a lengthy thread and I've not yet read it, I've been avoiding novel and Fire and Stone threads till I've read them is all).
There's some minor connections in the 3rd novel to the Aliens series but nothing major. More just acknowledging some of the characters and the Onager.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 20, 2015, 10:05:40 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 20, 2015, 09:53:37 AM
AvP (ironically) not so much. The predators just aren't doing it for me in these issues... maybe because I can't really ascertain any characterisation, they're just predators going around killing stuff as usual.
Biggest problem is it's not an AvP story.
QuoteOnce done with the comics, I'm going on to the new Aliens novel trilogy (are these connected with the comics - this is a lengthy thread and I've not yet read it, I've been avoiding novel and Fire and Stone threads till I've read them is all).
There's some minor connections in the 3rd novel to the Aliens series but nothing major. More just acknowledging some of the characters and the Onager.
Cool, thanks so much.
No, it's not an AvP story, it feels as though the predators have been parachuted in - the characters in the first ones were really rich... I'm not sure that the main plot point (the artificial human and what happens to him) really resonated with me, but the whole atmosphere and "feel" of the pieces utterly nailed it.
I'm thinking as I type that Yatuja (sp) are really problematical --- without knowing more about them, they don't offer much. But I do know that there's a vocal fancore on here that really doesn't want anything really revealed about them, their culture and their motivations as it dilutes them.
But without any of that, they really are just violence candy. Movies are different, they work in movies, but printed medium might be limiting. That said - I've really background in the earlier EU stuff past the first couple of graphic novels.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 20, 2015, 09:21:40 AMLet's introduce another species they created and start to explore them, their relation to the Aliens and etc.
Other Engineer creations and other alien species would be great additions to the franchise. Fire and Stone actually has some of both. That's a step in the right direction. More would be better.
The Predators must have a several/enemy rival species. There should be hundreds if not thousands of prey species. More should be revealed about the Predators themselves. Numerous tribes with distinct cultures would be an interesting direction.
The Engineers themselves may have had ancient rivals. The time is now to reveal more about the AvP universe.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 20, 2015, 10:35:38 AM
The Predators must have a several/enemy rival species. There should be hundreds if not thousands of prey species. More should be revealed about the Predators themselves. Numerous tribes with distinct cultures would be an interesting direction.
You mean like how there are different Native American cultures with distinct cultures? I would've thought that some of the old films and the old EU touched up on that a bit. I mean if we look at the Antarctic clan and the Lost clan, I would think that they are different clans with different cultures and aesthetics.
I was looking though some of my comics today, and I just thought it was funny how... (Images from the Omega trailer below)
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Elden in Omega looks almost identical to Caryn Delacroix's adult alien offspring from DotS.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzUr9PZA.jpg&hash=f4e90a5cce457126621d05d7a401ff53758a05d9)(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRDdwmLM.jpg&hash=1102ea4dc2fb9871bfb8b3e6cc050cd21b565261)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 20, 2015, 04:22:11 PMYou mean like how there are different Native American cultures with distinct cultures? I would've thought that some of the old films and the old EU touched up on that a bit. I mean if we look at the Antarctic clan and the Lost clan, I would think that they are different clans with different cultures and aesthetics.
Right, I'd like to see that expanded upon
Possible tribes...
Sport Hunters
Yautja
Super Predators
Killers
Bad Bloods
AvP/Mayans
Hish
Quote from: happypred on Jan 21, 2015, 03:17:14 AM
Right, I'd like to see that expanded upon
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Actually, I would like to see that handled differently but the concept would remain more or less the same.
For one, I would like to see them keep the Yautja concept. The Predators which we know from the first two movies, as well as the AvP movies would of course be the Yautja. But there would of course be the clans with the different cultures. Different clans, different rules, different customs. Much like how Native American tribes are.
The Killers would be one clan who could more or less be seen as disgraced Hunters who willingly more or less had outright decided to abandon the traditional aspects of the hunt. These guys would be considered a larger threat to many clans but still seen as Yautja, as far as species are concerned. However most traditional clans would outright have major conflicts with them.
Bad Bloods more or less would be their own thing but this could still overall fit with the concept of the Killers and potentially the Super Predators. Bad Bloods would still be dishonored or criminal Predators.
The Super Predators should be retconned to being the Hish. As much as you and I both don't like these... abominations, the Hish concept seems to really fit these guys considering that their practices more or less are similar. The Hish had operated a jungle planet, so did the Super Predators, and the Hish had hunted humans and other species on this planet.. Much like the Super Predators. An expansion on why these things are different from the Predators we know, similar to the Romulans and Vulcans would be a viable explanation. If we have to have these things, then they should be a cousin race/species.
...That's how I'd like to see Predators in the New EU handled at least.. But I am not holding my breath.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 20, 2015, 04:22:11 PM
Quote from: happypred on Jan 20, 2015, 10:35:38 AM
The Predators must have a several/enemy rival species. There should be hundreds if not thousands of prey species. More should be revealed about the Predators themselves. Numerous tribes with distinct cultures would be an interesting direction.
You mean like how there are different Native American cultures with distinct cultures? I would've thought that some of the old films and the old EU touched up on that a bit. I mean if we look at the Antarctic clan and the Lost clan, I would think that they are different clans with different cultures and aesthetics.
That is how I always took it. Every Predator films Predator has had a different appearance or differences and as such is probably a completely different ethnicity/race within the Predator species. And with that comes completely different ideologies, beliefs, etc.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 20, 2015, 08:55:48 PM
I was looking though some of my comics today, and I just thought it was funny how... (Images from the Omega trailer below)
Spoiler
Elden in Omega looks almost identical to Caryn Delacroix's adult alien offspring from DotS.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzUr9PZA.jpg&hash=f4e90a5cce457126621d05d7a401ff53758a05d9)(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRDdwmLM.jpg&hash=1102ea4dc2fb9871bfb8b3e6cc050cd21b565261)
...and...thanks for spoiling Elden for me. :laugh:
Quote from: happypred on Jan 20, 2015, 07:48:16 AM
Quote from: vikingspawn on Jan 19, 2015, 11:29:00 PMNow Buffy and "Fire & Stone" are their best sellers since Star Wars left last August
Hellboy is their bestseller, followed by Buffy and AvP
#114
HELLBOY AND THE BPRD #1
$3.50
DAR
22,368
#151
BTVS SEASON 10 #10
$3.50
DAR
16,448
#171
ALIEN VS PREDATOR FIRE AND STONE #3
$3.50
DAR
13,261
#173
PROMETHEUS FIRE AND STONE #4
$3.50
DAR
13,237
#177
ALIENS FIRE AND STONE #4
$3.50
DAR
12,735
#182
PREDATOR FIRE AND STONE #3
$3.50
DAR
12,128
I really hope Sebela hasn't poisoned the well.
You forgot to include the books sold since September, October, November.... ::)
Take a look at the charts:
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2014/2014-09.html (http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2014/2014-09.html)
September 2014:129 Aliens Fire And Stone 1* $3.50 Dark Horse 19,878
131 Prometheus Fire And Stone 1* $3.50 Dark Horse 19,468
140 Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 10 7 $3.50 Dark Horse 17,701
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2014/2014-10.html (http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2014/2014-10.html)
October 2014:144 Alien Vs Predator Fire and Stone 1* $3.50 Dark Horse 20,319
158 Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 10 8 $3.50 Dark Horse 17,729
163 Predator Fire and Stone 1* $3.50 Dark Horse 17,166
185 Prometheus Fire and Stone 2 $3.50 Dark Horse 14,407
188 Aliens Fire and Stone 2 $3.50 Dark Horse 14,240
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2014/2014-11.html (http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2014/2014-11.html)
November 2014:154 Alien Vs Predator Fire and Stone 2 $3.50 Dark Horse 13,942
155 Prometheus Fire and Stone 3 $3.50 Dark Horse 13,624
159 Aliens Fire and Stone 3 $3.50 Dark Horse 13,357
167 Predator Fire and Stone 2 $3.50 Dark Horse 12,695
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Those are the top Dark Horse books since September right after Star Wars had their 2 final books in August.
It kind of looks like the 4 "Fire & Stone" titles are their top sellers...
::) :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 21, 2015, 10:11:21 AM
That is how I always took it. Every Predator films Predator has had a different appearance or differences and as such is probably a completely different ethnicity/race within the Predator species. And with that comes completely different ideologies, beliefs, etc.
And I agree with that.. to a certain extent.
For me anyway, and this is taking account of the old EU as well as what the NECA backstories indicate-- I still regard the Predator species as the Yautja, at least for the mainstream Predators anyway. That's the ENTIRE mainstream species. However if you want to introduce ethnicity or more appropriately, nations, similarly to Native American or other aboriginal tribes then that's also fine but each clan would have to be designated by their clan name. Kind of like how some Native American tribes go by their respective names such as the Iroquois, Creek, Mohawk, Apache, Comanche, etc. You could argue that we have that already but I think it needs to be solidified. Though... I would think the old EU may have done that already but no one seems satisfied with that but me.
In regards to the Super Predators.. I do not consider them Yautja for a variety of reasons such as physiology and cultural differences. They maybe a cousin species and should be treated as such-- even given their own species name in their tongue. Personally, I think these guys need to be retconned as the Hish or written as something else entirely with a backstory that corroborates with Rodriguez's statement that these are dishonored Predators, that they were once a tribe of mainstream Predators who were exiled long ago, found a new planet, denounced their species name and either...
1) Adapted accordingly to the planet's biosphere conditions, which explains their radically different appearance.
2) Take cues from the July 2009 PREDATORS draft script, and explain that these Predators had experimented on themselves.
But again, I am not holding my breath. This is just how I would handle things and is solely my opinion.
They should hire you for this shit, Rakai. I agree on all counts above.
Quote from: Russ on Jan 21, 2015, 06:46:12 PM
They should hire you for this shit, Rakai. I agree on all counts above.
Ha ha ha ha ha! I am flattered that you think I should be hired for this Russ, but I really am just one disgruntled fan who really wants to continue on being a part of this fandom and enjoying the franchises but I'm hardly at all qualified to decide what should go where and how they should handle it. I would love to handle the reigns of things, I'm sure any fan would but.. I'm simply not qualified.
And I am sure some folks would say that they shouldn't hire me because I have a certain image of what the Predators should be partly because I embrace the Perry's versions of the characters with the Yautja concept. A lot of people don't like the Yautja concept believe it or not, but that concept is widely accepted.. even by casual fans.
This is just all my opinion and partly me expressing some disgruntled feelings and concerns with how Fox generally handles the franchises. Sure, fans want expansion but at the same time I don't think we need to discard concepts which were established either, it just a matter of writing out where what fits, and how it fits. I was always having the concepts that different Predator clans had different rules, different customs and cultures like Native American tribes but in the case of the Super Predators, I kept in mind the whole Romulan/Vulcan evolution concept and in my own head, tried to explain that these could be a cousin species with their own culture and perhaps, denounced their Yautja name and came up with a new name. As for the Killer clan, these would be genuinely evil Yautja who more or less care for nothing but the kill.
Just my opinion of how they should handle things. I would be genuinely surprised if someone adopted this idea. Stranger things have happened but, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Quote from: vikingspawn on Jan 21, 2015, 05:29:52 PM
You forgot to include the books sold since September, October, November.... ::)
::) :laugh:
You posted a link for December 2014 sales (http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/30647/top-300-comics-actual-december-2014). I was therefore talking about the bestseller for December 2014 ::)
I wasn't trying to discredit what you had said
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 21, 2015, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 20, 2015, 08:55:48 PM
I was looking though some of my comics today, and I just thought it was funny how... (Images from the Omega trailer below)
Spoiler
Elden in Omega looks almost identical to Caryn Delacroix's adult alien offspring from DotS.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzUr9PZA.jpg&hash=f4e90a5cce457126621d05d7a401ff53758a05d9)(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FRDdwmLM.jpg&hash=1102ea4dc2fb9871bfb8b3e6cc050cd21b565261)
...and...thanks for spoiling Elden for me. :laugh:
Once it has been seen, it cannot be unseen. :laugh: Seriously, though, Dark Horse can't be unaware of the resemblance.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 22, 2015, 08:00:01 PM
Once it has been seen, it cannot be unseen. :laugh: Seriously, though, Dark Horse can't be unaware of the resemblance.
It could be coincidental. But I remember Sebela saying that the writers didn't even look at the old comics for this reboot. But DeConnick said that they had looked over the old stuff.. unless I am mistaken in all that.
Sebela has proven himself to be full of sh*t
Quote from: happypred on Jan 23, 2015, 02:01:17 AM
Sebela has proven himself to be full of sh*t
Whatever, I didn't read the comics. I'm just quoting out what I had asked, what was answered and whatever was said out there.
Having that said, I think it's just a coincidence that Elden just looks like one of the White Hybrids. A coincidence, nothing more, nothing less.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 23, 2015, 02:34:05 AM
Having that said, I think it's just a coincidence that Elden just looks like one of the White Hybrids. A coincidence, nothing more, nothing less.
Completely agree. It wasn't intentional.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 23, 2015, 02:34:05 AM
Whatever, I didn't read the comics. I'm just quoting out what I had asked, what was answered and whatever was said out there.
You should, I thought the first two were excellent - but it would be interesting to hear your views on the Predator inclusion. For me, it's not so great - but I've not finished the whole series yet, so I've got an open mind.
Quote from: Russ on Jan 23, 2015, 09:24:31 AM
You should, I thought the first two were excellent - but it would be interesting to hear your views on the Predator inclusion. For me, it's not so great - but I've not finished the whole series yet, so I've got an open mind.
You know I actually had a comic clerk actually try and PUSH them on me to buy them?
Well if he knew you liked A/v/P seems like a good call. :P
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 23, 2015, 02:45:52 PM
Well if he knew you liked A/v/P seems like a good call. :P
Well, only the old stuff. I was looking for the older stuff and he didn't have any, and he tried pushing the new stuff on me. I said I wasn't interested, he still kept on pushing them on me. For me, the old stuff is where it's at.. newer stuff? Not interested, especially since it's taking cues and accommodating for a movie I changed my opinion on in the last three years.
On a lighter note, I made a meme a while back based on the AvP series. Minor spoilers if you haven't read it.
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FtcWdjYy.jpg&hash=828af8690b89d9c00600150f7d498aaf354e3f1d)
Who's Super now?
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tumblr.com%2Ff170f2c0249230b081f8c7858f1e6336%2Ftumblr_inline_mn2ojkzlNl1qz4rgp.jpg&hash=092b08d04e993f62435c192529e08e18fc4b362f)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 23, 2015, 02:59:14 PM
Well, only the old stuff. I was looking for the older stuff and he didn't have any, and he tried pushing the new stuff on me. I said I wasn't interested, he still kept on pushing them on me. For me, the old stuff is where it's at.. newer stuff? Not interested, especially since it's taking cues and accommodating for a movie I changed my opinion on in the last three years.
OK, Rakai - our first lover's tiff.
I really think you should give these books a chance. The first two were excellent - but these were
alien stories. The Predator angle
hasn't resonated with me yet -- but it maybe because the story is not yet complete (I've read the first two "predator" ones), but I think as one of the resident experts on them, I'd be really interested to hear your take.
You've already spoken of franchise fatigue -- maybe these (along with Rage War?) would reignite your interest. Or not as the case may be, but I have to say I really liked the direction and "feel" of the comics.
Quote from: Russ on Jan 24, 2015, 10:32:58 AM
I really think you should give these books a chance.
Look, I get the whole keeping an open mind thing and all but at the same time I have very strong stances on supporting things and aspects I like, and not supporting aspects and things I don't like. What I don't like about these comics is that they more or less rebooted things and are changing things to accommodate Prometheus and they are counting PREDATORS as canon (if you don't know by now I
REALLY HATE that movie). Now I won't lie and say I have been tempted to read but if I do happen to read them I think I'd prefer to get the tradepaper backs.. No, not even buy them but perhaps borrow them or read them for free at a Barnes and Noble shop or wherever they have comics NOT in the plastic sleeves.
Quote from: Russ on Jan 24, 2015, 10:32:58 AM
I think as one of the resident experts on them, I'd be really interested to hear your take.
You flatter me, Russ! But as far as the current continuity stands, I don't think I would or should be considered an expert because they more or less rebooted the EU similarly to how Star Wars got everything rebooted. I would say I am somewhat knowledgeable on the old stuff and I haven't even so much as finished reading the old stuff because I have to find some issues I am missing and some novels. I've heard good things about South China Sea-- haven't read that yet.
Yeah, try South China Sea. It`s very good and in style of P1,2. There are some awkward moments in it, but still a solid novel.
Quote from: Master on Jan 24, 2015, 04:48:02 PM
Yeah, try South China Sea. It`s very good and in style of P1,2. There are some awkward moments in it, but still a solid novel.
I would love to read South China Sea! If I can find a Barnes and Noble down here in Florida (I'm not home yet, haven't been home in four months) then I'll look to see if they have it!
Why not Ebay? That`s how I got my copy (it was unavaliable in my country).
Quote from: Master on Jan 24, 2015, 05:10:22 PM
Why not Ebay? That`s how I got my copy (it was unavaliable in my country).
Why wait three days to a week for the mail to come in when you can go to the bookstore and buy it the same day you find it?
Besides, I think there are.. three Barnes and Noble stores nearby where I am currently located.
Why bother looking when it can hit your doorstep?
Quote from: Master on Jan 24, 2015, 05:26:52 PM
Why bother looking when it can hit your doorstep?
Because I like to go outside and have fresh air, have a destination whenever I can. :laugh:
Well, when I`m not studying or working I prefere gym or swimming pool. But to each his own I guess.
(kidding with you ;) )
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 24, 2015, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: Master on Jan 24, 2015, 04:48:02 PM
Yeah, try South China Sea. It`s very good and in style of P1,2. There are some awkward moments in it, but still a solid novel.
I would love to read South China Sea! If I can find a Barnes and Noble down here in Florida (I'm not home yet, haven't been home in four months) then I'll look to see if they have it!
Good luck finding the Dark Horse novels at a Barnes and Noble. I haven't seen them on the shelf for well over a year at any of the three B&N in my area.
Yeah, I wouldn't bank on finding them in a book store. You'd be better off looking online.
You can find the old novels dirt cheap on Amazon, if you're okay with used copies.
On a slightly different note, what do people think will happen in Omega? I'm glad this is wrapping up soon. It's been a fun, but long, ride.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 25, 2015, 09:20:24 PM
You can find the old novels dirt cheap on Amazon, if you're okay with used copies.
I'm particular with things that I own or want to buy. When it comes to books, I prefer to buy them new.
The only things used I will buy are old SNES cartridges. :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 25, 2015, 08:54:25 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't bank on finding them in a book store. You'd be better off looking online.
Over the years I've managed to find some books at the Barnes and Noble back in Jersey, I recall finding South China Sea a couple years back and even Prey, War and Hunter's Planet. Of course I'm sure that they are a little hard to find but not impossible.
I just haven't been to a Barnes and Noble in Florida as of yet.. But if I do find one and find a book.. I'll let you guys know.
A few years back when they came out, maybe. I never see any of the DH Press novels in book shops anymore. One or two copies of Titan's new books, sure.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 26, 2015, 08:36:41 AM
A few years back when they came out, maybe. I never see any of the DH Press novels in book shops anymore. One or two copies of Titan's new books, sure.
A couple of years ago they were easy to find and I think DH even re-released the old novels. Now, the Titan Book series is all I find as well.
Dark Horse Digital has Fire and Stone, along with other A/v/P comics on sale today.
https://digital.darkhorse.com/genre/202/?page=1 (https://digital.darkhorse.com/genre/202/?page=1)
Not sure this has been posted here but.. it's Sebela talking about Fire and Stone and Ghost. Nothing really new is offered but it is an interesting read here and there.
http://graphicpolicy.com/2015/02/02/we-talk-alien-vs-predator-and-ghost-with-chris-sebela/ (http://graphicpolicy.com/2015/02/02/we-talk-alien-vs-predator-and-ghost-with-chris-sebela/)
QuoteChris Sebela: I was and am right there with the fans that the movies definitely left a lot to be desired. I'm a fan of the original AVP comics stuff, but I made sure not to revisit that as I didn't want any of it to bleed through, but I went back and watched the first AvP and enough of AvP: Requiem to confirm I didn't like it the first time. None of that really altered my approach though, which was, simply: don't screw it up. Giving myself the AvP I always wanted was my main priority. Not that every fan of either franchise is going to love what I love about these franchises or these creatures, but I feel like I've been almost a lifelong fan of these things, I've been there through their highs and lows, so I hopefully knew enough to steer the boat and not sink it.
I enjoyed AvP Requiem more than I did AvP F&S
His ideal AvP comic is a mutant orgy
I have nothing against the man personally, but I hope he never touches the franchise again
Quote from: happypred on Feb 10, 2015, 05:52:58 AM
His ideal AvP comic is a mutant orgy
Another thing is that well.. he claims that the AvP movies are not canon to his comics.. Yet Ariel Olivetti seems to think otherwise considering that he uses the blooding marking from the AvP movie. You know, the T mark? So this comic sort of shoots itself in the foot in trying to distance itself from the AvP movies. Heh heh heh.
Not bad I might get it when I have money.
http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1985/bleeding-cool-reveals-comicspro-prometheus-variant (http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1985/bleeding-cool-reveals-comicspro-prometheus-variant)
Quote from: Quarax on Feb 13, 2015, 12:47:10 AM
http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1985/bleeding-cool-reveals-comicspro-prometheus-variant (http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1985/bleeding-cool-reveals-comicspro-prometheus-variant)
I agree with her about character arc/growth thing,
Spoiler
Galgo is somewhat an example of that
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 13, 2015, 02:24:32 AM
Quote from: Quarax on Feb 13, 2015, 12:47:10 AM
http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1985/bleeding-cool-reveals-comicspro-prometheus-variant (http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1985/bleeding-cool-reveals-comicspro-prometheus-variant)
I agree with her about character arc/growth thing, Spoiler
Galgo is somewhat an example of that
Not sure I agree on that. Seems to me that he has an arc.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 13, 2015, 08:20:52 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 13, 2015, 02:24:32 AM
Quote from: Quarax on Feb 13, 2015, 12:47:10 AM
http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1985/bleeding-cool-reveals-comicspro-prometheus-variant (http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1985/bleeding-cool-reveals-comicspro-prometheus-variant)
I agree with her about character arc/growth thing, Spoiler
Galgo is somewhat an example of that
Not sure I agree on that. Seems to me that he has an arc.
Spoiler
He doesn't really change is my point, after going back to help Ahab which shows some humanity, he goes back to being selfish and wanting to leave Elden behind, indicating he still more or less the same, just more confident now.