Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2017/01/08/2017-must-see-movie-preview-star-wars-beauty-and-the-beast/95949150/
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Thanks, Anthony. I'm getting this up now. And can I say, what a shitty website. I can't click anywhere without being taken to a new page.
appreciate the photo, as i know about that website's shittyness indeed.
looks like that's right outside the covenant lander if had to do a slightly educated guess probably after the explosion i think , she's got a headwound so much have been in a fight already.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2017, 08:45:09 PM
Thanks, Anthony. I'm getting this up now. And can I say, what a shitty website. I can't click anywhere without being taken to a new page.
No problem, and I agree with you on the website.
Man, Ridley should've asked Cameron to draw up some guns for him.
Thats a nice pic, i like the naturel color scheme on it, its probably being fixed to darker shades i can assume??
"The comments largely covers what Katherine Waterston has already said in the past about Daniels' character developments and any similarities between her character and Ripley."
There shouldn't be any comparisons between Ripley and Daniels or indeed any new female character in general, its not good for development or for fandom opinion of said character, originality is the way to go, no one should try to emulate Ripley because it will fail and fans will hate that character for being a carbon copy. Lex and that one from Requiem anyone?
Tis a nice picture though.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 08, 2017, 09:00:57 PM
Man, Ridley should've asked Cameron to draw up some guns for him.
Yeah, I'm still not digging on the weaponry in this. That said, I do like the looks of that AUG from this angle.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 08, 2017, 09:00:57 PM
Man, Ridley should've asked Cameron to draw up some guns for him.
I don't know...looks good to me, we don't need more pulse rifles, seen enough to last a life time. :P
I actually don't even mind it, it's a pretty bare bones body kit that makes it look just a bit futuristic. Don't get me wrong, it wont go down as the next pulse rifle but it's practical, I like it
I wouldn't have wanted a Pulse Rifle. I wouldn't have objected to something like what they explored in the Prometheus concept art -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/costume-design/costume-design001.jpg)
My god, is daniels doing a photoshoot? Hair is... on point ;)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2017, 09:14:55 PM
I wouldn't have wanted a Pulse Rifle. I wouldn't have objected to something like what they explored in the Prometheus concept art -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/costume-design/costume-design001.jpg)
Nice, that is like a Pulse SMG or Pulse shotgun :laugh:
Very SMGish. Looks like it was inspired by the Scorpion.
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Totally, my first thought was MP5 eh.
It's the lip around the barrel that made me think Scorpion.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2017, 09:25:11 PM
Very SMGish. Looks like it was inspired by the Scorpion.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/9a/ea/2c/9aea2cbe81edd711fe0ae2eaed76ac2d.jpg
Nah i think its more build of the automatich shotgun dao-12, the drum on the scorpion in that pic is a matter of choice and it misses the front handle wich isnt possible on the scorpion.
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Take off the shoulder stuff and add some pulse rifle body and voila.
On the topic of weaponry, if an early form of Colonial Marines appear in the prequel films, I'd like to see early designs of some of their weaponry. For example, an early Smart Gun with the look of a flamethrower is something I'd personally think would be interesting.
The guns are meant to be light and low key. This is a colony ship with a small tactical force; not an assault team.
Quote from: LiquidSentry on Jan 08, 2017, 09:18:32 PM
My god, is daniels doing a photoshoot? Hair is... on point ;)
Well if you're going to die you might as well look good doing it! Although I think that scene is when they ascend the engineer citadel.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 08, 2017, 09:35:40 PM
The guns are meant to be light and low key. This is a colony ship with a small tactical force; not an assault team.
Quote from: LiquidSentry on Jan 08, 2017, 09:18:32 PM
My god, is daniels doing a photoshoot? Hair is... on point ;)
Well if you're going to die you might as well look good doing it! Although I think that scene is when they ascend the engineer citadel.
I agree, i think the weapons chosen for this movie is for a purpose, weaker and not too much overpowering, so it still beholds the survival horror stuff for the humans and not changing into a Doom game.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 09:05:02 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 08, 2017, 09:00:57 PM
Man, Ridley should've asked Cameron to draw up some guns for him.
I don't know...looks good to me, we don't need more pulse rifles, seen enough to last a life time. :P
i like the gun actually, i like the idea of them being still somewhat 'neanderthalic' in guns and arms. I think the guns we know so well belong in aliens, something that didnt even exist yet when ripley first sailed off to lv-426. the covenant crew aren't military, so whilst its logical they would carry arms into the unknown, it is not a warship and as such should be not of primary concern, thus please no advanced guns.
the idea of them coming underarmed and underprepared to a chaos they did not know expect or were up against is something i enjoy more too.
they came in expecting 'paradise' , but it was quickly different when they approached it close, discovering something was wrong.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 08, 2017, 09:35:40 PM
The guns are meant to be light and low key. This is a colony ship with a small tactical force; not an assault team.
Quote from: LiquidSentry on Jan 08, 2017, 09:18:32 PM
My god, is daniels doing a photoshoot? Hair is... on point ;)
Well if you're going to die you might as well look good doing it! Although I think that scene is when they ascend the engineer citadel.
"We're all going to die if we don't leave now!"
"Hold on, I'm going to wash the blood off my face first."
Nice find. Ant.. You'll fit in nicely here!! 8)
It's an AUG....
Quote from: cliffhanger on Jan 08, 2017, 09:38:56 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 09:05:02 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 08, 2017, 09:00:57 PM
Man, Ridley should've asked Cameron to draw up some guns for him.
I don't know...looks good to me, we don't need more pulse rifles, seen enough to last a life time. :P
i like the gun actually, i like the idea of them being still somewhat 'neanderthalic' in guns and arms. I think the guns we know so well belong in aliens, something that didnt even exist yet when ripley first sailed off to lv-426. the covenant crew aren't military, so whilst its logical they would carry arms into the unknown, it is not a warship and as such should be not of primary concern, thus please no advanced guns.
the idea of them coming underarmed and underprepared to a chaos they did not know expect or were up against is something i enjoy more too.
they came in expecting 'paradise' , but it was quickly different when they approached it close, discovering something was wrong.
Doesn't Covvie have a WY security force on board? Or what was that a rumor?
Quote from: Bazz on Jan 08, 2017, 10:52:08 PM
It's an AUG....
We were talking about a weapon in some concept art posted earlier in the thread, not the one in the picture. :)
How years are they from Aliens in this timeline? Maybe the weapons haven't advanced that far?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 08, 2017, 11:03:15 PM
How years are they from Aliens in this timeline? Maybe the weapons haven't advanced that far?
Covenant takes place in 2104, so like 75 years before Aliens.
At least 75+ years right? Alien itself is at least 20 years away from Covenant and Aliens is 57 from that.
Edit: And someone beat me ;D my math is slow.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 08, 2017, 10:38:26 PM
Nice find. Ant.. You'll fit in nicely here!! 8)
Thanks Himmel!
Looks like Scott is going for a practical and easy to recognise philosophy regarding the weapons for this one. I think it's a good choice - the familiarity will contrast dramatically against the Alien content.
I see this as serving as a kind of a metaphor for reliance and safety by being protected by the practical and realistic vs the oncoming forces of the fantastical and the incomprehensible nature of the unknown. This is a great way to go as Scott is already demonstrating a desire to fit these movies out with symbolism and deeper meaning. I don't see why combat shouldn't be any different.
You just have to take a glance at that weapon to know what it does; while at the same time, the targets - presumably a neomorph or other Alien - are wildly unknown still. It's a safe bet the the 'morphs in this movie aren't going to be invulnerable to ballistic weapons such as we see here, but that still doesn't tell us much about them in so many ways.
-Windebieste.
The rifles they're using here compared to the weapons used in Aliens also isn't that far of a stretch, weapons of war can advance tremendously in just a few short years. Look at Austria for example, in WW2 they were using bolt action Kar98ks. 38 years later and the Austrians are equipped with Steyr Aug's
film looks like a Stargate SG-1 vs Aliens fanfic.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2017, 09:03:33 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 08, 2017, 09:00:57 PM
Man, Ridley should've asked Cameron to draw up some guns for him.
Yeah, I'm still not digging on the weaponry in this. That said, I do like the looks of that AUG from this angle.
I have to admit, I'm not, either, but pictures are one thing; film is another. I imagine everything may look better with the Ridley lighting treatment, and in motion. Is this film gonna be in IMAX? And VR? I can't imagine what the final viewing experience will be like, under those circumstances.
i hope there is not a lot of shooting and action in this movie, i would prefer if there is suspense, horror, and lots of running, barely any weapons and having to outsmart the creatures rather than just shooting them
I honestly really like the bare bones looks of that AUG. The M4s look the same too and I love the barebones looks with the long barrel. But like others have said we're close to what... Like 75 years from Aliens? I could see the Pulse Rifle coming in like 50 years from this.
I do believe Ridley Scott is way too proud to be taking stock in the James Cameron continuity/canon.
I doubt Ridley's trilogy will feature them, if they do its in the 3rd one maybe.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2017, 09:14:55 PM
I wouldn't have wanted a Pulse Rifle. I wouldn't have objected to something like what they explored in the Prometheus concept art -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/costume-design/costume-design001.jpg)
Though what they had was an astronaut suit rather than an exoskeleton? so wouldn't have military grade protection..
In Aliens the marines cut down on the weaponry so not to damage the nucear cooling, what excuse did they have for this movie or Prometheus?...
Let's face the facts - the pulse rifle is retro 80s future weaponry, bulky with LED lights. :P This gun looks better. And Waterston looks the part even better than Sigourney did.
Here's a much larger version from JoBlo -
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http://www.joblo.com/movies/database/2017/alien-covenant/images/363859
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 09, 2017, 05:16:47 AM
Let's face the facts - the pulse rifle is retro 80s future weaponry, bulky with LED lights. :P This gun looks better.
Nah...Ill take a PR over this anytime. It's ok and it will do, but it will never have that iconic look and feel of the pulse rifle. Designer's point of view; I don't think the design is "80's retro" at all and it would still look great in an Alien movie today.
QuoteAnd Waterston looks the part even better than Sigourney did.
haha
Daniels: "SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!!"
:D
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 09:02:56 PM
"The comments largely covers what Katherine Waterston has already said in the past about Daniels' character developments and any similarities between her character and Ripley."
There shouldn't be any comparisons between Ripley and Daniels or indeed any new female character in general, its not good for development or for fandom opinion of said character, originality is the way to go, no one should try to emulate Ripley because it will fail and fans will hate that character for being a carbon copy. Lex and that one from Requiem anyone?
Tis a nice picture though.
I don't know man, Lex didn't seem anything like Ripley to me. I mean just because she's a female lead it doesn't automatically turn her into a Ripley clone. Especially Shaw, so many people are yelling that she is a Ripley clone, its ridiculous. They're totally different characters IMHO.
shaw was nothing ripley-esque. just a women in 'space' in peril. she was much more panic-y. though i must say she is comparable to ripley in alien (1). ripley only got really 'badass' in aliens (2). we'll see about waterston, but i don't think she's at all ripley-esque from what i see.
I think it's the same location.
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Just noticed that Daniels holds different weapon.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 09, 2017, 10:29:12 AM
I think it's the same location.
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Just noticed that Daniels holds different weapon.
Different Alien types calls for different weapon types!! ;)
Quote from: The Bonus Situation on Jan 09, 2017, 10:11:24 AM
Daniels: "SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!!"
:D
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 09:02:56 PM
"The comments largely covers what Katherine Waterston has already said in the past about Daniels' character developments and any similarities between her character and Ripley."
There shouldn't be any comparisons between Ripley and Daniels or indeed any new female character in general, its not good for development or for fandom opinion of said character, originality is the way to go, no one should try to emulate Ripley because it will fail and fans will hate that character for being a carbon copy. Lex and that one from Requiem anyone?
Tis a nice picture though.
I don't know man, Lex didn't seem anything like Ripley to me. I mean just because she's a female lead it doesn't automatically turn her into a Ripley clone. Especially Shaw, so many people are yelling that she is a Ripley clone, its ridiculous. They're totally different characters IMHO.
Lex was portrayed as a strict by the book type like Ripley was in the first Alien film, they are not Ripley clones but some of the these female leads, not all of course, have some form of similarities when they shouldn't, it spoils the originality and the potential for a character to become iconic in their own right....not that anyone in AVP would ever be iconic.
It is like how videos games with colonial marines keep trying to emulate the laid back bad-asses of Aliens, complete with similar personalities. Homage are not always good and can come off as a cheap nostalgia trick.
I'm a bit disappointed. This gun is nothing like the concepts that have appeared in both alien and aliens. It's a shame that Scott chose to stay away from the visual language of the first film and have opted for those more modernized visuals.
Well, I'd prefere something bigger and meaner. Don't get me wrong, it's cool looking gun, but generic and it probably won't be remembered.
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 04:10:10 PM
Well, I'd prefere something bigger and meaner. Don't get me wrong, it's cool looking gun, but generic and it probably won't be remembered.
Maybe that's the point...
Please explain.
Ridleys Alien and Prometheus were never about the weapons, sure the flamethrower looks good enough in Alien, but we never even saw the laser blaster in action.
These weapons look practical and real and I bet that's really the only thing Scott wanted.
Ok. But there's nothing good in generic look. Story or not, visuals are important.
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
Ok. But there's nothing good in generic look. Story or not, visuals are important.
Looks good to me, they look really good actually imo.
Its just not going to be one the top things you remember about the film like the Pulse Rifle and Smart Gun were for Aliens. The guns were important enough to Cameron to make them a big part of film, no alien film before or since has really done that or wanted to.
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
Ok. But there's nothing good in generic look. Story or not, visuals are important.
Disagree, visuals is not everything, that is superficial. Practicality of the weapons would be a higher priority methinks.
Yeah I think the "gun" film is going to be Neill's. Ridley's more concerned with David and the alien's genesis.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
Ok. But there's nothing good in generic look. Story or not, visuals are important.
Disagree, visuals is not everything, that is superficial. Practicality of the weapons would be a higher priority methinks.
Master is right. Visuals are important. No question about that.
The Cruentus is right. Visuals are not everything (Master wrote that they're important no that they're everything). No question about that.
I like those weapons. They look practical and solid. I don't need anything else.
Nobody notice the earplug in her......ear?
Quote from: Prvt Ryan74 on Jan 09, 2017, 05:20:17 PM
Nobody notice the earplug in her......ear?
That'll either be part of the narrative (Which would make sense considering the trailer), or is just for the noise of the prop gun firing blanks.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jan 09, 2017, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: Prvt Ryan74 on Jan 09, 2017, 05:20:17 PM
Nobody notice the earplug in her......ear?
That'll either be part of the narrative (Which would make sense considering the trailer), or is just for the noise of the prop gun firing blanks.
Most likely!!
is it me, or does it look like the black spots are having smoke coming off of them?
could it actually be that it's the very moment david shoots off some stuff on the local residents which causes them to die and perhaps even vaporise?
give us a brand new kick ass non Ripley wannabe!
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 09, 2017, 04:42:42 PM
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
Ok. But there's nothing good in generic look. Story or not, visuals are important.
Looks good to me, they look really good actually imo.
Like I said, I like the looks even though they are generic.
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Its just not going to be one the top things you remember about the film like the Pulse Rifle and Smart Gun were for Aliens. The guns were important enough to Cameron to make them a big part of film, no alien film before or since has really done that or wanted to.
Can't really agree with that statement. A:R had very distinct and cool looking guns. Did they dominated core story of the film? No.
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Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
Ok. But there's nothing good in generic look. Story or not, visuals are important.
Disagree, visuals is not everything, that is superficial. Practicality of the weapons would be a higher priority methinks.
Never said that. First two Alien films established strong visual language, very coherent with one another. Covenant, that is set very close to that era, should use it imo.
@Ingwar
Thanks for listening ;)
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 06:57:41 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 09, 2017, 04:42:42 PM
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
Ok. But there's nothing good in generic look. Story or not, visuals are important.
Looks good to me, they look really good actually imo.
Like I said, I like the looks even though they are generic.
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Its just not going to be one the top things you remember about the film like the Pulse Rifle and Smart Gun were for Aliens. The guns were important enough to Cameron to make them a big part of film, no alien film before or since has really done that or wanted to.
Can't really agree with that statement. A:R had very distinct and cool looking guns. Did they dominated core story of the film? No.
[img]Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
Ok. But there's nothing good in generic look. Story or not, visuals are important.
Disagree, visuals is not everything, that is superficial. Practicality of the weapons would be a higher priority methinks.
Never said that. First two Alien films established strong visual language, very coherent with one another. Covenant, that is set very close to that era, should use it imo.
@Ingwar
Thanks for listening ;)
I apologize I did misread your post but I stand by what I did say about visuals, they are not everything, Important sure but not everything, especially when it comes to weapons, they need to be plausible and practical. I love Pulse Rifles but I doubt a gun of that size can have 99 bullets in its magazine.
I must agree Master. I loved A:R's guns. Not as iconic as the pulse rifle but still very cool
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 06:57:41 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 09, 2017, 04:42:42 PM
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
Ok. But there's nothing good in generic look. Story or not, visuals are important.
Looks good to me, they look really good actually imo.
Like I said, I like the looks even though they are generic.
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Its just not going to be one the top things you remember about the film like the Pulse Rifle and Smart Gun were for Aliens. The guns were important enough to Cameron to make them a big part of film, no alien film before or since has really done that or wanted to.
Can't really agree with that statement. A:R had very distinct and cool looking guns. Did they dominated core story of the film? No.
So you like the look? But you just said
" OK But there's nothing good in generic look" ... That's why I commented that they looked good to me.
I didn't care for the weapons in A:R or think they were memorable in any way, they always looked like cheese to me imo.
@The Cruentus
Ok. I'm glad we're cool .
I'm not saying bring on Pulse Rifles . Just asking for more coherence. In era of Alien and Aliens this chick with her gun looks like a guy with blunderbuss among ww2 soldiers. I know it's not military vessel but certainly cost substential ammount in adjusted dollars and certainly have more for protection then antiques.
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 07:30:36 PM
@The Cruentus
Ok. I'm glad we're cool .
I'm not saying bring on Pulse Rifles . Just asking for more coherence. In era of Alien and Aliens this chick with her gun looks like a guy with blunderbuss among ww2 soldiers. I know it's not military vessel but certainly cost substential ammount in adjusted dollars and certainly have more for protection then antiques.
Oh we never had an issue ;D
Well...think Nostromo (future) vs Prometheus (past) tech is not always up to date and future vessel Nostromo is inferior to past vessel Prometheus tech-wise, regardless of the different purposes is of the ships.
Eh, I just watched A:R again a couple weeks ago & I can't remember any of the guns except CSI Warrick's silly wrist ones. I've probably seen it 20 or so times since it was in theaters.
Oh come on. What`s not to love in Lacrima 99?
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 07:30:36 PM
@The Cruentus
Ok. I'm glad we're cool .
I'm not saying bring on Pulse Rifles . Just asking for more coherence. In era of Alien and Aliens this chick with her gun looks like a guy with blunderbuss among ww2 soldiers. I know it's not military vessel but certainly cost substential ammount in adjusted dollars and certainly have more for protection then antiques.
I dunno I guess, they don't seem that far behind Aliens. This is before Aliens and even in that film the guns do not seem that much more advanced. The pulse rifle and smart gun are still using ballistics even. Not only that but Vasquez actually has and uses a pistol from WWII, not to mention the racks of modern era weapons also seen on the sulaco. It just doesn't seem like there is all that big of a gap between these and the weapons in the sulaco which is still in the future and carries state of the art weaponry.
P.s. I don't know anything about firearms so this isnt an informed opinion.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 09, 2017, 07:54:36 PM
Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2017, 07:30:36 PM
@The Cruentus
Ok. I'm glad we're cool .
I'm not saying bring on Pulse Rifles . Just asking for more coherence. In era of Alien and Aliens this chick with her gun looks like a guy with blunderbuss among ww2 soldiers. I know it's not military vessel but certainly cost substential ammount in adjusted dollars and certainly have more for protection then antiques.
I dunno I guess, they don't seem that far behind Aliens. This is before Aliens and even in that film the guns do not seem that much more advanced. The pulse rifle and smart gun are still using ballistics even. Not only that but Vasquez actually has and uses a pistol from WWII, not to mention the racks of modern era weapons also seen on the sulaco. It just doesn't seem like there is all that big of a gap between these and the weapons in the sulaco which is still in the future and carries state of the art weaponry.
P.s. I don't know anything about firearms so this isnt an informed opinion.
Hick's shotgun as well, old guns still get used.
"Mad" Jack Churchill was using claymore sword as side arm during WW2. Still main weapons were a tad more advanced.
Wasn't there a picture with Frost and racks of modern guns in the back that weren't pulse rifles?
Quote from: Hemi on Jan 09, 2017, 08:17:13 PM
Wasn't there a picture with Frost and racks of modern guns in the back that weren't pulse rifles?
Aside from the pulse rifle and smart gun, none of the weapons were really futuristic looking, even then they didn't seem all that advanced.
Considering the vast difference in appearance of real world weapons, I'm not bothered by this one. It's not anything special IMO, but hardly a worthwhile complaint. It looks like a modern weapon with some dress up.
It was really the sound effects of the Pulse Rifle and Smart Gun that caught your attention and cemented that they were futuristic.
Would a colonization ship have sooo many weapons though? Does the ISS? Did any of the "isolation pods" experiments designed to simulate long time periods of colonization on Mars?
The clues so far seem to point a highly weaponized/ militarized mission. Some weapons, fine sure, absolutely neccessary, but I think the movie would be more interesting if the weapons are more scarce so the crew eventually runs out of ammo/gets separated from them/has to be imaginative and creative with available resources- allowing more options for special effects.
Part of the appeal of A L I E N, at least to me, is the lead character having to come up with ways of eradicating/containing the Alien with available strategies and equipment.
Cat and mouse is an age old technique to bring intensity and suspense to a movie. With quite a few crew members running around with weapons, I do hope my fears of a suspense-less shoot em up movie are unfounded.
Nostromo is tow vessel. It's not supposed to stop or land anywhere, chance no guns (though they had few). Covenant is colony ship. It's main purpose is to land somewhere. Hostile creatures or pirates are small but still a possibility and guns should be available. Hell, even for prevention forces of new forming community, guns are necessary.
Yeah, Covenant is carrying presumably a small town worth of people in cryostasis, plus all the supplies, to a new planet. They'll need security/police/military and those people will need weapons.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 10, 2017, 08:35:01 AM
Yeah, Covenant is carrying presumably a small town worth of people in cryostasis, plus all the supplies, to a new planet. They'll need security/police/military and those people will need weapons.
Especially the bit about uncharted worlds. It makes sense that they would have some firepower.
Quote from: Hemi on Jan 09, 2017, 08:17:13 PM
Wasn't there a picture with Frost and racks of modern guns in the back that weren't pulse rifles?
Yeah, they've got M4s and SA80s in the background but they're only background filler material. Granted, the pistols used were modern at the time too but the VP70 wasn't a massively well known pistol, I don't think.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 10, 2017, 08:43:05 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 10, 2017, 08:35:01 AM
Yeah, Covenant is carrying presumably a small town worth of people in cryostasis, plus all the supplies, to a new planet. They'll need security/police/military and those people will need weapons.
Especially the bit about uncharted worlds. It makes sense that they would have some firepower.
I don't think there's any questioning the need for some kind of protection. They'll need their own police force for when they get established, in case any dodgy folk crop up in the population and as whiterabbit says, who knows what they'll find out there. Makes complete sense they'd be equipped with some kind of weaponry.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2017, 08:49:16 AM
Yeah, they've got M4s and SA80s in the background but they're only background filler material. Granted, the pistols used were modern at the time too but the VP70 wasn't a massively well known pistol, I don't think.
The Veep was chosen because it had a vaguely futuristic look to it, which actually blends pretty nicely with the Smartgun and Pulse Rifle. It was also not that well known, and at the time was no longer in production anyway. So, no strong zeitgeist.
Having M4 pattern rifles and Aug's front and center seems really really odd. Surely they could have kitted them up with a little fireglass casing to hide some of the design? Eh...
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 10, 2017, 08:54:56 AM
Having M4 pattern rifles and Aug's front and center seems really really odd. Surely they could have kitted them up with a little fireglass casing to hide some of the design? Eh...
I feel the same. I know it's not a massive deal and most folk wont even care but I think those at do just a certain expectation for some slightly dressed up weaponry.
I guess it's already been mentioned, but if not ... it does seem to be exactly like the production shot of Ripley in Aliens when she's firing everything she's got into the Queen's egg sack. Even down to the lighting filters used and facial expression. I guess as the guns look like replicas it's going to be hard to buy these props from props store if you're in the UK.
You just named the number one movie I would make if I were in a position to, "Mad Jack". Totally amazing story.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Jan 09, 2017, 06:14:28 PM
is it me, or does it look like the black spots are having smoke coming off of them?
could it actually be that it's the very moment david shoots off some stuff on the local residents which causes them to die and perhaps even vaporise?
i''ll repeat.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Jan 10, 2017, 06:36:56 PM
Quote from: cliffhanger on Jan 09, 2017, 06:14:28 PM
is it me, or does it look like the black spots are having smoke coming off of them?
could it actually be that it's the very moment david shoots off some stuff on the local residents which causes them to die and perhaps even vaporise?
i''ll repeat.
Please don't ugh!!
This is my prediction: Covenant will be to Aliens what Prometheus was to Alien. Daniels will be Ripley. Shaw will be Newt. Walther will be Bishop. And David 8 will be Burke... ;)
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jan 09, 2017, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: Prvt Ryan74 on Jan 09, 2017, 05:20:17 PM
Nobody notice the earplug in her......ear?
That'll either be part of the narrative (Which would make sense considering the trailer), or is just for the noise of the prop gun firing blanks.
I only just realized what you meant here. You're suggesting that if the ear plugs aren't just due to firing the weapon, perhaps they were done as a deliberate attempt to stop the spores from getting into their ears?
Spore to ears are abit dumb. Why not nose? Nose is inhaling things, much easier way inside.
Spoiler
There's another character who gets infected through the nose.
Spoiler
Oh! Good, good. Are those spores moblie on their own, or is it just a bad luck to get infected?
That I'm not sure of.
The spores do look very much alive and able to self-propel themselves into that dudes ear. Like an angry sperm the moment it spots an unfertilized egg.
Now!!! You tell us. :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2017, 08:34:39 AM
Spoiler
There's another character who gets infected through the nose.
You may have answered this already somewhere, but (to the best of your knowledge) is there a plausible reason for why the characters aren't wearing protective gear?
Not that I'm aware of.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 11, 2017, 09:12:02 AM
The spores do look very much alive and able to self-propel themselves into that dudes ear. Like an angry sperm the moment it spots an unfertilized egg.
Yeah, once the "pod" stepped on it releases the spores that seem to home in specifically on the guy's ear. One of David's experiments?
Forgive me for this since I haven't been reading up much on Covenant but why is a lot of folk here thinking that David is behind everything? Some are even saying he created the Xenos.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 12:22:15 AM
Forgive me for this since I haven't been reading up much on Covenant but why is a lot of folk here thinking that David is behind everything? Some are even saying he created the Xenos.
I think it was leaked by 4chan guy, I think.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 12, 2017, 12:28:05 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 12:22:15 AM
Forgive me for this since I haven't been reading up much on Covenant but why is a lot of folk here thinking that David is behind everything? Some are even saying he created the Xenos.
I think it was leaked by 4chab guy, I think.
Reliable? or is it just bait?
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 12:30:09 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 12, 2017, 12:28:05 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 12:22:15 AM
Forgive me for this since I haven't been reading up much on Covenant but why is a lot of folk here thinking that David is behind everything? Some are even saying he created the Xenos.
I think it was leaked by 4chan guy, I think.
Reliable? or is it just bait?
Don't know! Hicks I think knows.
Quote from: shawsbaby on Jan 11, 2017, 12:58:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2017, 08:34:39 AM
Spoiler
There's another character who gets infected through the nose.
You may have answered this already somewhere, but (to the best of your knowledge) is there a plausible reason for why the characters aren't wearing protective gear?
Could they have technology telling them everything is all clear but failed to pick up the spores?
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 12:30:09 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 12, 2017, 12:28:05 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 12:22:15 AM
Forgive me for this since I haven't been reading up much on Covenant but why is a lot of folk here thinking that David is behind everything? Some are even saying he created the Xenos.
I think it was leaked by 4chab guy, I think.
Reliable? or is it just bait?
Well he went into some pretty good detail, and described scenes from the movie that ended up in the trailer (Shower, facehugger)
Quote from: PVTDukeMorrison on Jan 12, 2017, 01:42:21 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 12:30:09 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 12, 2017, 12:28:05 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 12:22:15 AM
Forgive me for this since I haven't been reading up much on Covenant but why is a lot of folk here thinking that David is behind everything? Some are even saying he created the Xenos.
I think it was leaked by 4chab guy, I think.
Reliable? or is it just bait?
Well he went into some pretty good detail, and described scenes from the movie that ended up in the trailer (Shower, facehugger)
where i can read that?
In this thread: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=55868.0
I believe these to be reliable as a lot of it matches up to my own intel so massive spoiler warning for those who go in there.
Quote from: LiquidSentry on Jan 12, 2017, 01:41:38 AM
Quote from: shawsbaby on Jan 11, 2017, 12:58:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2017, 08:34:39 AM
Spoiler
There's another character who gets infected through the nose.
You may have answered this already somewhere, but (to the best of your knowledge) is there a plausible reason for why the characters aren't wearing protective gear?
Could they have technology telling them everything is all clear but failed to pick up the spores?
I don't think the spores are going to be a pathogen per se. But as long as there's some line in there about them scanning for stuff like that, I'll be happy.