Scott about
Covenant. Nothing new but there are few interesting parts.
QuoteWhat we did really well on Prometheus, considering that it was a ground zero idea that was starting all over again, was I discovered that people do have an appetite for the alien and what he means and his evolution – the egg, the facehugger, the chestburster as we call them.
People still want to see it. So I return to a little bit of that but not wholeheartedly; there's a lot in here which is new as well.
You've got to assume to a certain extent success and from that you'd better be ready. You don't want a two-year gap. So I'll be ready to go again next year.
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/ridley-scott-promises-a-return-to-alienstyle-horror-in-alien-covenant-20170222-guj8wk.html
Does that mean the next movie will come in about 3 years?
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 05, 2017, 08:05:03 PM
Does that mean the next movie will come in about 3 years?
Hard to say. Scott wants to make western
Wraiths of the Broken Land after
Covenant or maybe he changed his mind.
Scott also has The Cartel (where his involvement was announced in July 2015) and The Prisoner (where his involvement was announced last January). So it could be that he does Wraiths (which he got attached to in May last year) this year, then gets into Covenant's sequel (Should Covenant be successful) while dropping out of one or both of the projects. Remember, he was also going to direct Blade Runner 2049 and The Color Of Lightening after Prometheus.
Also, the article in question mentions the sequel has already been written. So the big deciding factor is if Covenant is successful.
But I think it's safe to say we can expect Covenant 2 by May 2019/2020.
The script for the sequel is finished, so he could practically star filming the next one just at the end of this year.
Quote from: Anthony on Mar 05, 2017, 08:43:05 PM
Also, the article in question mentions the sequel has already been written. So the big deciding factor is if Covenant is successful.
I missed that!
QuoteWhile working on Alien: Covenant, he had the next instalment written so he is ready to keep advancing the saga.
"You've got to assume to a certain extent success and from that you'd better be ready," he says. "You don't want a two-year gap. So I'll be ready to go again next year."
Sounds like he's ready to keep the train rolling. I think that's worth another news post focused on that.
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 05, 2017, 08:51:33 PM
The script for the sequel is finished, so he could practically star filming the next one just at the end of this year.
Exactly. It just depends on how Covneant does at the box office.
Personally, I think Covenant will do great at the box office.
Prometheus earned $403.4 million
Martian earned $630.2 million
Covenant will earn somewhere between 670 - 700 million.
Just my predictions.
Yeah, I've been saying for the last year or so that Covenant would do amazing numbers at the box office. $600 million at least.
Ridley Scott, Michael Fassbender x2, Xenomorphs ∞
and many other things together equal 700 millions at least. :laugh: ;) ;)
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 05, 2017, 09:06:17 PM
Personally, I think Covenant will do great at the box office.
Prometheus earned $403.4 million
Martian earned $630.2 million
Covenant will earn somewhere between 670 - 700 million.
Just my predictions.
670-700? I wish but I doubt that :). Comparing
Covenant to
The Martian in terms of box office success is not quite convincing. Mars movie wasn't R-rated. I predict 500+ or close to 600 if we are lucky.
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Quote from: Enoch on Mar 05, 2017, 09:24:02 PM
Ridley Scott, Michael Fassbender x2, Xenomorphs ∞
and many other things together equal 700 millions at least. :laugh: ;) ;)
I've been wondering why they haven't been putting FROM THE DIRECTOR OF ALIEN AND THE MARTIAN in the advertising.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 05, 2017, 09:26:40 PM
I've been wondering why they haven't been putting FROM THE DIRECTOR OF ALIEN AND THE MARTIAN in the advertising.
I think even casual movie goers know what Scott has done, so the "FROM THE DIRECTOR OF" credit isn't needed.
Also, any estimates on the budget? We know that it's less than Prometheus (which cost $120 Million-$130 Million).
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 05, 2017, 09:26:27 PM
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It's a Marvel flick and they do very well at box office. I wish you are right with your prediction. I'm more sceptic about it.
I predict 450m. Would be really fine !
So a sequel is already written, and Ridley wants to do it ? fantastic !
my fingers are crossed as hard theyll go that we dont have to wait another 5 bloody years for the follow up to Covenant! The wait between Prometheus and Covenant, for lack of a better term, SUCKED!!! as much as Ive loved hearing little snippets here and there over the years... 5 years was just way too long of a wait! HOPEFULLY well see the next film within 2-3 years given he wants to do 3 of them for the Covenant saga.
Then theres Alien 5... *sigh*
This will not make anywhere near Logan or Deadpool money. Those are fundamentally different kinds of films with much larger built-in audiences. Sci-fi really isn't a cash-cow genre like superheroes.
I think optimistically we can expect at most maybe something in the range of Prometheus or Mad Max: Fury Road's domestic gross ($125-150 million) Covenant is also going to have a lot of competition in the weeks following it's release, so it's going to have to have legs to not get swamped.
I want it to do well, but I'm not expecting it to break any records. I am more than anything just hoping for an entertaining movie.
It could easily be the highest-grossing film of the entire franchise if Fox handles the marketing right.
They bungled the first trailer, but the Last Supper and second trailer went a long way towards getting people on the film's side.
If Fox makes Alien Day count and continues to push that there's lots of Aliens in this movie, both the familiar kind and mysterious new ones, then people will want to see it.
Hard to guess how well something might do... but to me it appears that comic book pg-13 movies are getting tiresome, maybe it's the perfect time to bring 80's level R rated entertainment back!
He can crank out easily six of them he said, and he doesnt want to stop or give the franchise away, he now sees the potential of what it always was, ironically (i always kept saying some directors or writers dont understand their own franchise)
But another part to me that triggered my infected brain was how he called the Covenant ship "uscss Covenant" and by that i all of a sudden see a link it has a colonial status, linking colonial marines, part of one organisation? Could mean we are gonna see colonial marines in the next one, i mean if the Covenant really gets hijacked by Walter aka David they need to go in full force, you cant just send a space trucker again, so if the next installment will ever happen it has to be an Aliens movie all over.
Scott has always implied this would be a trilogy. There's no surprise that a sequel is already written. You can bet the whole outline for a 3 movie treatment already exists. It's a no brainer, really.
Quote from: Infected on Mar 06, 2017, 09:15:04 AMif the next installment will ever happen it has to be an Aliens movie all over.
Why not? Let's see how this one finishes. I'm absolutely certain 'ALIEN: Covenant' will be a success. It wouldn't surprise me if Blomkamp is brought on board to direct the sequel. I can see critical plot points are cannibalised from his 'ALIEN 5' (sans Ripley, of course) to make their way into the follow up movie. Hell, even 'ALIENS' wasn't an original story. Cameron cannibalised his own previous work to write the 'ALIENS' story. I don't see why Blomkamp cant do the same.
I think it's an ideal compromise for everyone.
-Windebieste.
Oh, wow, I didn't think there was any possibility of seeing a colonial marine movie in the Covenant trilogy. :o
Quote from: windebieste on Mar 06, 2017, 09:35:21 AM
Scott has always implied this would be a trilogy. There's no surprise that a sequel is already written. You can bet the whole outline for a 3 movie treatment already exists. It's a no brainer, really.
Quote from: Infected on Mar 06, 2017, 09:15:04 AMif the next installment will ever happen it has to be an Aliens movie all over.
Why not? Let's see how this one finishes. I'm absolutely certain 'ALIEN: Covenant' will be a success. It wouldn't surprise me if Blomkamp is brought on board to direct the sequel. I can see critical plot points are cannibalised from his 'ALIEN 5' (sans Ripley, of course) to make their way into the follow up movie. Hell, even 'ALIENS' wasn't an original story. Cameron cannibalised his own previous work to write the 'ALIENS' story. I don't see why Blomkamp cant do the same.
I think it's an ideal compromise for everyone.
-Windebieste.
Funny i was first thinking his son would enter the ring with the next movie, but Blomkamp could in fact be the runner up and helper in the next one.
So yeah im down for an Aliens type movie with the beauty of Ridley's visual eye, but no Ripley please no Weaver.
And no doubt Covenant will rock my boat
I see the follow up to 'ALIEN: Covenant' being a cross between this:
...and this:
-Windebieste.
Alright... Perfect we need MOAR!!! 8)
Ready already? I have to say this is great news to wake up to!
that is great, and even better thand we dont have to wait a lot of time and that they already know where to take the story next
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 05, 2017, 09:26:27 PM
LOGAN - R rated movie
Total gross
Box office $237.8 million
Retrieved March 5
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No way Covenant gets anywhere Logan's Box Office, Logan got stellar reviews Covenant won't. Also it's Marvel and the marketing was spectacular with Covenant if you saw the trailer you pretty much saw the movie
Got to continue asking those pointless questions,eh Ridley.
Its great news that Covenant 2 is written. But then again Covenant 1 was written aaages ago in whatever form it was then.
I just take the news as Ridley is committed to keeping his toe in the franchise, rather than anything with much weight to it.
Maybe this is where Dante Harper's credit comes in. He's a linking writer between Covenant and the next one maybe?
Even though the "Bible" is meant to include Blomkamp's film, i actually doubt that will happen now as it wouldnt bee out until 2020 at the earliest. o it makes sense that they cannabilise elements of his script to continue. Luke directs the next one then Blomkamp directs the third/fourth of this prequel trilogy
Quote from: harlequinade on Mar 06, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 05, 2017, 09:26:27 PM
LOGAN - R rated movie
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No way Covenant gets anywhere Logan's Box Office, Logan got stellar reviews Covenant won't. Also it's Marvel and the marketing was spectacular with Covenant if you saw the trailer you pretty much saw the movie
How do you know that?
QuoteWith Covenant if you saw the trailer you pretty much saw the movie
Completely disagree with this. Tell me what is the movie central plot, please?
Prometheus didn't. It wasn't trashed, but it wasn't praised like Logan.
Neither did Alien for that matter.
This hypothetical haste for having the closure to the trilogy series at the very least "written and ready" might not mean something very good at all, I mean regarding Sir Scott. Let's hope I'm thoughtfully mistaken
Does this mean Scott will film Covenant 2 directly after this one or another movie? To cut down on costs I mean?
Ok so they're set into making Prometheus 3, or Alien Covenant 2, or Alien "insert name of the new ship and crew as subtitle here"
I agree with most on here, please don't leave it in development hell for half a decade, wonder if this next entry will be the last in the prequel series, or if there still trying to set Covenant as the start of a new trilogy.
Just realized if they immediately set into production next year the 3rd upcoming Alien Prequel will be out by Alien's 40th anniversary in 2019
Quote from: Infected on Mar 06, 2017, 10:48:49 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Mar 06, 2017, 09:35:21 AM
Scott has always implied this would be a trilogy. There's no surprise that a sequel is already written. You can bet the whole outline for a 3 movie treatment already exists. It's a no brainer, really.
Quote from: Infected on Mar 06, 2017, 09:15:04 AMif the next installment will ever happen it has to be an Aliens movie all over.
Why not? Let's see how this one finishes. I'm absolutely certain 'ALIEN: Covenant' will be a success. It wouldn't surprise me if Blomkamp is brought on board to direct the sequel. I can see critical plot points are cannibalised from his 'ALIEN 5' (sans Ripley, of course) to make their way into the follow up movie. Hell, even 'ALIENS' wasn't an original story. Cameron cannibalised his own previous work to write the 'ALIENS' story. I don't see why Blomkamp cant do the same.
I think it's an ideal compromise for everyone.
-Windebieste.
Funny i was first thinking his son would enter the ring with the next movie, but Blomkamp could in fact be the runner up and helper in the next one.
So yeah im down for an Aliens type movie with the beauty of Ridley's visual eye, but no Ripley please no Weaver.
And no doubt Covenant will rock my boat
After how poorly Morgan did, I don't see Luke Scott taking the reins.
I personally have my own list of directors that could make a kick ass Alien film, but it seems like Ridley wants to do this all by himself.
no because they have already stopped filming and the actors are filming different movies, if you want to cut costs you do it all in one go like they did for pirates 2 and 3 and matrix 2 and 3.
Yeah, there is no chance Covenant is doing Logan's box office.
I'm glad they at least know where they're going with things this time, instead of setting up a load of questions without seemingly knowing the answers.
If Ridley plans on directing the next movie then yes this would make sense the guy is almost 80!
How about an Alien 5 where Ripley goes to the Engineers home planet? That would be sweet!
How about no?
Don't be rude, Master.
Quote from: Anthony on Mar 06, 2017, 02:06:27 PM
Quote from: Infected on Mar 06, 2017, 10:48:49 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Mar 06, 2017, 09:35:21 AM
Scott has always implied this would be a trilogy. There's no surprise that a sequel is already written. You can bet the whole outline for a 3 movie treatment already exists. It's a no brainer, really.
Quote from: Infected on Mar 06, 2017, 09:15:04 AMif the next installment will ever happen it has to be an Aliens movie all over.
Why not? Let's see how this one finishes. I'm absolutely certain 'ALIEN: Covenant' will be a success. It wouldn't surprise me if Blomkamp is brought on board to direct the sequel. I can see critical plot points are cannibalised from his 'ALIEN 5' (sans Ripley, of course) to make their way into the follow up movie. Hell, even 'ALIENS' wasn't an original story. Cameron cannibalised his own previous work to write the 'ALIENS' story. I don't see why Blomkamp cant do the same.
I think it's an ideal compromise for everyone.
-Windebieste.
Funny i was first thinking his son would enter the ring with the next movie, but Blomkamp could in fact be the runner up and helper in the next one.
So yeah im down for an Aliens type movie with the beauty of Ridley's visual eye, but no Ripley please no Weaver.
And no doubt Covenant will rock my boat
After how poorly Morgan did, I don't see Luke Scott taking the reins.
I personally have my own list of directors that could make a kick ass Alien film, but it seems like Ridley wants to do this all by himself.
Yes but like i said Ridley is starting to see the worth and importance of his Alien legacy,
and he probably saw what it did to George Lucas, i think Lucas has nightmares because of selling his baby to Disney, no matter how much he got for it.
I think he disliked Blomkamps approach of the series, and therefor he will keep this close to the chest, and therefor pull his son closer to this then Blomkamp.
Just a guess from my side.
Prometheus was mixed and barely featured Aliens, still managed to crack 400 million worldwide. This is going for heavy Alien marketing, no doubt it will make money.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Mar 06, 2017, 04:03:27 PM
Prometheus was mixed and barely featured Aliens, still managed to crack 400 million worldwide. This is going for heavy Alien marketing, no doubt it will make money.
Actually movie critics gave Prometheus relatively positive reviews, however many have pointed out inconsistencies, plot holes, character motivations and other flaws of the film, a huge of the mixed reaction is the fan base, general movie goers ect. Its a mixed baggage.
It was a smart move to market it as more inline as an Alien movie though, question is will this be able to reach the success of Prometheus's box office intake, or even possibly exceed it, we'll have to wait and see.
Fans are certainly going to be far more cautious going into this film,even if it does receive decent reviews.
And the reviewers who gave Prometheus decent reviews but on reflection have now changed their opinions,and there has been a fair few,are likely going into this film with their pens well sharpened.
The marketing of Prometheus really was a testament to the power of hype.
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 06, 2017, 12:26:19 PM
Quote from: harlequinade on Mar 06, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 05, 2017, 09:26:27 PM
LOGAN - R rated movie
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Box office $237.8 million
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No way Covenant gets anywhere Logan's Box Office, Logan got stellar reviews Covenant won't. Also it's Marvel and the marketing was spectacular with Covenant if you saw the trailer you pretty much saw the movie
How do you know that?
QuoteWith Covenant if you saw the trailer you pretty much saw the movie
Completely disagree with this. Tell me what is the movie central plot, please?
I read the plot. It's a rehash of Alien with Aliens and Prometheus elements being thrown in. I'd love for the movie to be good but Ridley was overpraised as it is for The Martian and even that didn't get Logan's kind of reviews. Prometheus was a big deal, people were excited because Ridley was back to making a movie in Alien franchise. And then they went to see it...I think it may not even reach Prometheus' numbers.
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 05, 2017, 08:09:00 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 05, 2017, 08:05:03 PM
Does that mean the next movie will come in about 3 years?
Hard to say. Scott wants to make western Wraiths of the Broken Land after Covenant or maybe he changed his mind.
From what I've been able to figure out so far he's now doing The Cartel next. Apparently the location scouting he did earlier this year in Spain was for that and not Wraiths as I initially assumed. Not 100% certain yet though. Maybe Goddard is still busy polishing Wraiths script. :-\
Alien hasn't made any breakthrough sales since a very very long time.
Video games and Comic book speaking.
Only things close we had were the AVP, which made a lot of money for what they cost.
But weren't either a true breakthrough in the sales.
Covenant is hoping the Fanbase will be enough, and I'm sure it'll to cover the cost.
But to directly produce a sequel I have more and more doubts.
Prometheus marketing was very clever in this regard.
It was a SF films with some kind of answer to big mankind questions.
It was also a lot more original than the average blockbuster about Alien attacks and zombies that comes out every year.
It picked people interests and as I said, the marketing was cleverly down.
Alien Covenant has terrible marketing and is hoping "Alien" in the title will sell well.
It'll likely sell because of Ridley Scott, Fasbender, Franco and Danny McBride in the credits.
But I doubt it'll be anything like a breakthrough. Somewhere along the lines Prometheus sold but I wouldn't see it top that by a lot.
It has in fact more chances to makes less since it's starting to be the same story again and again. People get bored.
The marketing hasn't begun fully yet. ;)
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 05, 2017, 07:51:42 PMWhat we did really well on Prometheus, considering that it was a ground zero idea that was starting all over again, was I discovered that people do have an appetite for the alien and what he means and his evolution – the egg, the facehugger, the chestburster as we call them.
People still want to see it. So I return to a little bit of that but not wholeheartedly; there's a lot in here which is new as well.
This was implicitly obvious before, but it's worth taking a moment to absorb now that Scott has articulated it. For a moment I was surprised to read Scott appearing to criticize Covenant before it was even released, but Fox had it coming if they forced his hand. He doesn't ever say that there is a good story reason for the change in direction. It was changed due to audience demand, which is not the best way to decide story. I'm doing my best to embrace this new movie, but we aren't getting the movie that Scott wanted to make, and that's a crime against science fiction, right there. Critics are going to notice Fox backpedaling on the Prometheus franchise. The fact that Prometheus was fresh made them cautiously optimistic for the return of the franchise. I think Covenant is going to split them, with many critics registering disappointment that Fox killed their most promising science fiction property in order to promote their most tired one.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Mar 06, 2017, 04:57:45 PM
It has in fact more chances to makes less since it's starting to be the same story again and again. People get bored.
But they won't bored of these horrible Marvel movies?
It should do pretty much the same score as Prometheus in domestic, but surely much more in foreign.
Domestic : 130-150M$
Foreign : 300-400M$
Covenant will make 350-450 million. You cannot begin to compare this franchise to the powerhouse that is anything Marvel related. It's f**king Wolverine, one of the most iconic characters in super hero history being played for the last time by the guy that made him even more popular. The only thing that will make that kinda money this year is GotG2 (and it will make more with its PG-13 rating)
Martian was a Matt Damon vehicle, so that comparison is out as Damon has WAY more drawing power than everyone in Covenant combined (before someone says Fassbender I would like to point of the stunning failure of Assassin's Creed, which after advertising and all the back end costs is still probably in the red).
Compare it box office wise to similar franchises. The last Terminator made 440m globally. That is a far more realistic comparison as both franchises have a rocky history when it comes to sequels and quality.
So far, Prometheus is murdering Covenant advertising wise. i was at a fever pitch by now waiting for proemtheus to open. Covenant I am slightly more excited for than I was a month ago. I still think there is a large percent chance it will be a total dog of a movie and completely tank at the box office.
Quote from: harlequinade on Mar 06, 2017, 04:47:30 PM
I think it may not even reach Prometheus' numbers.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Mar 06, 2017, 04:57:45 PM
But I doubt it'll be anything like a breakthrough. Somewhere along the lines Prometheus sold but I wouldn't see it top that by a lot.
It has in fact more chances to makes less since it's starting to be the same story again and again. People get bored.
Considering that the production budget for Covenant is reportedly less than that of Prometheus you two may be right. The traditional thinking in Hollywood is usually to go bigger for the sequel since the financial risk is less if the first film did really well.
And couple that with the fact that the marketing budget is usually reflective of the production budget which could mean that Covenant won't be as heavily promoted as Prometheus was.
In order to get Sigourney as Ripley back in Covenant 2 would need some very youthful stage makeup, and it would need some explaining for her ageing, plus she would need to be up for lots of running through corridors and prancing about.
Getting another actor to play Ripley in another movie could be possible, but very risky. To me, Sigourney = Ripley, and Ripley = Sigourney. She would fit much better in a post-Aliens Blomkamp film, rather than a Covenant 2 or 3.
Given that Ripley was chest-bursted and last seen falling into a furnace in Alien 3, I cannot see her surviving by some weird split second plot twist as she fell. So her insertion back into the franchise can only be between Aliens and Alien 3 timeline.
Quote from: motherfather on Mar 06, 2017, 05:19:44 PM
In order to get Sigourney as Ripley back in Covenant 2 would need some very youthful stage makeup, and it would need some explaining for her ageing, plus she would need to be up for lots of running through corridors and prancing about.
Getting another actor to play Ripley in another movie could be possible, but very risky. To me, Sigourney = Ripley, and Ripley = Sigourney. She would fit much better in a post-Aliens Blomkamp film, rather than a Covenant 2 or 3.
Why would we be getting or want Ripley back for the Covenant sequels ?
I personally hope we never see Ripley again. I think the Alien universe is too dependent on her. It can stand on its own. I think Blomkamps film would be better served to not have her in it. Then we have not retconning. No alternate sequel.
Jeff Bridges did play a younger Jeff Bridges too in Tron Legacy called Clue.
Performance capture, nothing's impossible.
And it's becoming more and more a standard.
Easiest way to make anyone eternal.
Just leave Ripley out. You don't ever need her in the prequel. It'll just look like Princess Leia or Tarkin in Rogue One.
I don't "want" to bring back Ripley, but it has been discussed on this thread, and there were those Ripley/Ripley's daughter rumours even for covenant, plus a cameo by Sigourney the actress (not neccessarily as Ripley) is always a possibility.
In fact I wouldn't even want Shaw back - whether it was Noomi's acting or the poor script she had to work with, I wasn't that invested in Shaw and I'd really struggle to find myself rooting for her.
I do want a non-android human lead character that I can root for across several franchise movies though. And therein lies the problem. As soon as you do that, the default character bio is: movie 1, slightly soft character is tested to their limits, movie 2 is character toughens up, movie 3 character continues/finishes their personal quest etc...
I'm seriously against Sigourney weaver reappearing into the franchise again, she made her decision as an actor to kill Ripley off because she was tired of playing that role, and look at the effect it had on alien 3. She somehow decides to reappear in resurrection which was a very poor film. She's too much of a gamble.
Quote from: motherfather on Mar 06, 2017, 05:36:59 PM
I don't "want" to bring back Ripley, but it has been discussed on this thread, and there were those Ripley/Ripley's daughter rumours even for covenant, plus a cameo by Sigourney the actress (not neccessarily as Ripley) is always a possibility.
In fact I wouldn't even want Shaw back - whether it was Noomi's acting or the poor script she had to work with, I wasn't that invested in Shaw and I'd really struggle to find myself rooting for her.
I do want a non-android human lead character that I can root for across several franchise movies though. And therein lies the problem. As soon as you do that, the default character bio is: movie 1, slightly soft character is tested to their limits, movie 2 is character toughens up, movie 3 character continues/finishes their personal quest etc...
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while I might not root for shaw, she deserves an onscreen death bare minimum. Flashback death devalues Prometheus even more as it is simply writing it out. They felt a movie was important enough to tell her story they can find the time to kill her on camera. Plus, I am way more interested in what happens to make shaw thing re-attaching David's head is a good idea than anything in Covanent
You could start with a tough character and break them. that is the alternative. As the universe opens to them they unwind more and more. More a lovecraftian story than anything else. Just, those movies don't typically make money. The idea is that most people need strong characters and humans to relate to the film. they need to watch a character grow and evolve or overcome and be victorious. This is why Godzilla gets 7 minutes of screen time in his movie.
The best idea might be to have a crew survive so you can have their group dynamic grow and change over the course of the films. You can spend time getting to know all of them instead of only the strong survives type writing. You can shift focus around and not just have one top star, you can move that mantle around and keep it interesting.
That interview was done at the end of 2016. Scott said that he'll be ready to go again next year which referred to ... 2017.
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 06, 2017, 06:18:42 PM
That interview was done at the end of 2016. Scott said that he'll be ready to go again next year which referred to ... 2017.
It's likely he could have been referring to the year after Covenant releases. And again, he's doing Wraiths Of The Broken Land this year.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 06, 2017, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 05, 2017, 08:09:00 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 05, 2017, 08:05:03 PM
Does that mean the next movie will come in about 3 years?
Hard to say. Scott wants to make western Wraiths of the Broken Land after Covenant or maybe he changed his mind.
From what I've been able to figure out so far he's now doing The Cartel next. Apparently the location scouting he did earlier this year in Spain was for that and not Wraiths as I initially assumed. Not 100% certain yet though. Maybe Goddard is still busy polishing Wraiths script. :-\
I'm really looking forward to see
Wraiths made by Scott. But when? If Scott is planning to do
Covenant 2 next then probably I have to wait :)
Scott has attached himself to several projects that either never happened or weren't directed by him. Remember when he was going to direct Blade Runner 2049, The Color Of Lightning, Dune, The Forever War, Wool and Monopoly?
So it's likely that he could drop The Cartel or do it after Covenant 2. And he still has the adaptation of The Prisoner that he's supposedly attached to as well.
Quote from: Protozoid on Mar 06, 2017, 05:07:18 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 05, 2017, 07:51:42 PMWhat we did really well on Prometheus, considering that it was a ground zero idea that was starting all over again, was I discovered that people do have an appetite for the alien and what he means and his evolution – the egg, the facehugger, the chestburster as we call them.
People still want to see it. So I return to a little bit of that but not wholeheartedly; there's a lot in here which is new as well.
This was implicitly obvious before, but it's worth taking a moment to absorb now that Scott has articulated it. For a moment I was surprised to read Scott appearing to criticize Covenant before it was even released, but Fox had it coming if they forced his hand. He doesn't ever say that there is a good story reason for the change in direction. It was changed due to audience demand, which is not the best way to decide story. I'm doing my best to embrace this new movie, but we aren't getting the movie that Scott wanted to make, and that's a crime against science fiction, right there. Critics are going to notice Fox backpedaling on the Prometheus franchise. The fact that Prometheus was fresh made them cautiously optimistic for the return of the franchise. I think Covenant is going to split them, with many critics registering disappointment that Fox killed their most promising science fiction property in order to promote their most tired one.
Prometheus wasn't their most promising property though, was it. Otherwise this would be Prometheus 2. I firmly believe Neil Blomkamp's concept art for
Aliens 2 reignited Fox's and subsequently Ridley Scott's interest in Alien.
I say we let the cinema going audience dictate whether Alien is "tired" out.
It wouldn't make sense to have Ripley in these new movie when she never met the alien..so how can you tie that to an original Alien?? She's not gonna have any role in it unless it's Alien 5 or Alien3.2..however they wanna call it.
ripley doesnt exist yet.
Quote from: Coy on Mar 06, 2017, 07:52:38 PM
It wouldn't make sense to have Ripley in these new movie when she never met the alien..so how can you tie that to an original Alien?? She's not gonna have any role in it unless it's Alien 5 or Alien3.2..however they wanna call it.
ripley doesnt exist yet.
Actually on ho its confirmed she was born in 2092, http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Ellen_Ripley
So while her character does exist I agree it would be out of place to force her character or even a relative of hers into the prequel series.
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No way Covenant gets anywhere Logan's Box Office, Logan got stellar reviews Covenant won't. Also it's Marvel and the marketing was spectacular with Covenant if you saw the trailer you pretty much saw the movie
How do you know that?
QuoteWith Covenant if you saw the trailer you pretty much saw the movie
Completely disagree with this. Tell me what is the movie central plot, please?
I read the plot. It's a rehash of Alien with Aliens and Prometheus elements being thrown in. I'd love for the movie to be good but Ridley was overpraised as it is for The Martian and even that didn't get Logan's kind of reviews. Prometheus was a big deal, people were excited because Ridley was back to making a movie in Alien franchise. And then they went to see it...I think it may not even reach Prometheus' numbers.
I don't mind this so much. These movies are formulaic to a point.
In a sequel you always give them the same, but something different. I think Ridley will do a good job of combining the two. I don't think it will be as good as the first two films, but hopefully tell a story that's effective and can stand on its own.
How can you judge a movie on a leak plot?
Seriously, if you read the plot of Alien, it would be almost a joke for everyone. Just a slasher movie.
But Alien is my favorite movie because everything is incredible (artistic direction, rhythm, actors, directing, metaphor, symbols, levels of reading ...). Ridley can tell many things with a simple script.
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Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 05, 2017, 07:51:42 PMWhat we did really well on Prometheus, considering that it was a ground zero idea that was starting all over again, was I discovered that people do have an appetite for the alien and what he means and his evolution – the egg, the facehugger, the chestburster as we call them.
People still want to see it. So I return to a little bit of that but not wholeheartedly; there's a lot in here which is new as well.
This was implicitly obvious before, but it's worth taking a moment to absorb now that Scott has articulated it. For a moment I was surprised to read Scott appearing to criticize Covenant before it was even released, but Fox had it coming if they forced his hand. He doesn't ever say that there is a good story reason for the change in direction. It was changed due to audience demand, which is not the best way to decide story. I'm doing my best to embrace this new movie, but we aren't getting the movie that Scott wanted to make, and that's a crime against science fiction, right there. Critics are going to notice Fox backpedaling on the Prometheus franchise. The fact that Prometheus was fresh made them cautiously optimistic for the return of the franchise. I think Covenant is going to split them, with many critics registering disappointment that Fox killed their most promising science fiction property in order to promote their most tired one.
Prometheus wasn't their most promising property though, was it. Otherwise this would be Prometheus 2. I firmly believe Neil Blomkamp's concept art for Aliens 2 reignited Fox's and subsequently Ridley Scott's interest in Alien.
I say we let the cinema going audience dictate whether Alien is "tired" out.
Blomkamp cheekily pitched an Alien movie while Ridley Scott was trying to get a trilogy made. Blomkamp was coming close to wrestling the franchise away from Scott, which basically represents fan fiction becoming canon, or inmates running the asylum. I don't think it reignited Scott's interest in Alien, because his interest had never diminished. He always wanted to direct Alien 2. If Fox and Alien fans showed interest in Alien 5 and that interest impacted the development of Prometheus 2, that can only be a bad thing artistically. Scott sold out in order to prevent his trilogy from going unfulfilled while some hack kid filmmaker makes fan-fiction with his ideas.
Audiences have continued to pour money into tired franchises, so that is no evidence of anything. What we are talking about is what James Cameron was talking about. This movie is consciously repeating itself to be safe. That's a sad thing for an artist pushing 80 to feel forced into doing. He has a limited number of movies he can make, and we just traded Prometheus 2 for a flipper baby movie combining two franchises that were never meant to be connected. Remember AvP? That's basically what this is: Alien versus Prometheus. Whoever wins, we lose.
A lot of big name directors have returned to their earlier movies - George Lucas, George Miller, Ridley Scott, Tim Burton, James Cameron..
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Quote from: Coy on Mar 06, 2017, 07:52:38 PM
It wouldn't make sense to have Ripley in these new movie when she never met the alien..so how can you tie that to an original Alien?? She's not gonna have any role in it unless it's Alien 5 or Alien3.2..however they wanna call it.
ripley doesnt exist yet.
Actually on ho its confirmed she was born in 2092, http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Ellen_Ripley
So while her character does exist I agree it would be out of place to force her character or even a relative of hers into the prequel series.
How is it more of out of place than retconning just to bring her character back, though? I would much prefer a prequel Ripley than a retcon Ripley.
That doesn't really read to me as Ridley saying he had to compromise his ideas to kotow to fans. We might have seen something closer to the original Alien in Prometheus if he felt audiences were up for that. At the time he felt it was played out, but now that he's seeing interest in the classical forms (egg, facehugger, chestburster, Alien) he seems just fine to have them featuring in Covenant.
"Not wholeheartedly" doesn't necessarily mean his own heart isn't in it. It could just be him saying this new film is about more than bringing back classic elements (There's a lot which is new as well he said.)
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A lot of big name directors have returned to their earlier movies - George Lucas, George Miller, Ridley Scott, Tim Burton, James Cameron..
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Quote from: Coy on Mar 06, 2017, 07:52:38 PM
It wouldn't make sense to have Ripley in these new movie when she never met the alien..so how can you tie that to an original Alien?? She's not gonna have any role in it unless it's Alien 5 or Alien3.2..however they wanna call it.
ripley doesnt exist yet.
Actually on ho its confirmed she was born in 2092, http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Ellen_Ripley
So while her character does exist I agree it would be out of place to force her character or even a relative of hers into the prequel series.
How is it more of out of place than retconning just to bring her character back, though? I would much prefer a prequel Ripley than a retcon Ripley.
Ripley is 10 years old at the event of Covenant, Prometheus being set in 2092, and Covenant being ten years later 2102, her character doesn't dabble into the events of the series until Alien, her charcter as a little girl doesn't have a function that impacts the early part of the series or odds to the story, if she so did this would conflict with how she's present in the events of Alien. If another character is present in Covenant as being a relative many have sighted that the inclusion of "Ripley's Mother" comes across as contrived, very similar circumstances happen to Ripley's mother, Ripley herself, then her daughter Amanda.
Now the angle of being a movie set after Aliens may be considered a cop out "and fairly so" they wanted to follow on from the point when the Alien series was given the exciting renovating era of James Cameron's entry. Expanding upon all the potential this installment introduced, its the one the launched the series into a full fledged franchise, inspired numorous comics and various stories set at this particular setting.
Everything that came after such as Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection while having merits is where the series lost momentum, the closest attempt was Joss Whedons script for the earth set Alien Revelation which Sigourney Weaver refused becasue it was set on earth. Cameron and Ridley talked about venturing back to the Alien series, but Fox chose t pursue AVP for higher financial reasons. Though whether or not they make Blomkamp's mother, it'll either not be made and life will go on, or it will be made and you don't have to see it.
It's not like Prometheus failed and they immediately switched track to making an Alien movie. Ridley and Fox had been trying to crack the story for years as Prometheus 2, and it never came together. This is purely conjecture, but ultimately I think the creative reason why this became an Alien movie is because Prometheus failed in one huge aspect: pointing the franchise away from Alien in the first place. This is because the black goo makes Xenomorphs, they are inextricably intertwined with whatever the Engineers' plans for humanity were. The movie ends with Shaw heading to the Engineer homeworld with a ship filled with Xenomorph juice... there's not very many ways that story goes without the overall result that we've seen in the Covenant trailers. Whatever a sequel to Prometheus would have been, it would have been more difficult to work around the Xenos than to just utilize them, and once you've done that you have an Alien movie. I say this as a person who loved Prometheus to bits and is very disappointed that the Prometheusness of Covenant will apparently be negligible.
So I think that ultimately it made sense for this to become an Alien movie, and I don't think Ridley is a hack for changing his course.
Great news imo. Gives Ridley and co to fine tune it rather than scrambling for rewrites to meet production deadlines
Quote from: MajorB on Mar 07, 2017, 12:17:53 AM
It's not like Prometheus failed and they immediately switched track to making an Alien movie. Ridley and Fox had been trying to crack the story for years as Prometheus 2, and it never came together. This is purely conjecture, but ultimately I think the creative reason why this became an Alien movie is because Prometheus failed in one huge aspect: pointing the franchise away from Alien in the first place. This is because the black goo makes Xenomorphs, they are inextricably intertwined with whatever the Engineers' plans for humanity were. The movie ends with Shaw heading to the Engineer homeworld with a ship filled with Xenomorph juice... there's not very many ways that story goes without the overall result that we've seen in the Covenant trailers. Whatever a sequel to Prometheus would have been, it would have been more difficult to work around the Xenos than to just utilize them, and once you've done that you have an Alien movie. I say this as a person who loved Prometheus to bits and is very disappointed that the Prometheusness of Covenant will apparently be negligible.
So I think that ultimately it made sense for this to become an Alien movie, and I don't think Ridley is a hack for changing his course.
Very well-said.
There are quite a bit of interesting points in this news. Very interesting indeed.
Intrigued.
Scott is an animal... a beast! A STAR BEAST!
I was watching an interview with him from '79 and he hasn't changed a bit. I think when he was delivered his first expression was that frowned, quizzical raised eyebrow.
i really hope we get script leaks of "Prometheus 2" vs Alien Covenant after the movie is out (much like Alien: Engineers vs Prometheus). im REALLY curious what the original version of the story was like when it was more "Prometheus" focused.
Quote from: MajorB on Mar 07, 2017, 12:17:53 AM
It's not like Prometheus failed and they immediately switched track to making an Alien movie. Ridley and Fox had been trying to crack the story for years as Prometheus 2, and it never came together. This is purely conjecture, but ultimately I think the creative reason why this became an Alien movie is because Prometheus failed in one huge aspect: pointing the franchise away from Alien in the first place. This is because the black goo makes Xenomorphs, they are inextricably intertwined with whatever the Engineers' plans for humanity were. The movie ends with Shaw heading to the Engineer homeworld with a ship filled with Xenomorph juice... there's not very many ways that story goes without the overall result that we've seen in the Covenant trailers. Whatever a sequel to Prometheus would have been, it would have been more difficult to work around the Xenos than to just utilize them, and once you've done that you have an Alien movie. I say this as a person who loved Prometheus to bits and is very disappointed that the Prometheusness of Covenant will apparently be negligible.
So I think that ultimately it made sense for this to become an Alien movie, and I don't think Ridley is a hack for changing his course.
Bingo. I think a lot of people were expecting a movie with a serious chronicles of riddick flavor lol.
Quote from: DorkiDori on Mar 07, 2017, 02:06:04 AM
i really hope we get script leaks of "Prometheus 2" vs Alien Covenant after the movie is out (much like Alien: Engineers vs Prometheus). im REALLY curious what the original version of the story was like when it was more "Prometheus" focused.
Seeing both the Jack Paglen and Michael Green scripts would be cool.
Wasn't the exact same thing said right after Prometheus?
Who's writing this? I hope its Michael Green because he did a good job with Logan.
I was just thinking about it for a second but if Scott takes enough shots at it, he'll eventually hit one out of the park. An Alien movie will win a best picture oscar! Just think about that for a second. :P
Riddles is a f**king machine.
I was surprised in the Wayne Haag interview when he said Ridley was keen on returning to Australia to film the sequels.
Ridley likes to make different films, especially at this point in his life, so him directing the sequels just shows how committed he is to this franchise. I think he just hasn't found the right director to pass the torch yet. Denis Villeneuve would be a strong candidate but I don't think he has any interest in following Ridley's footsteps yet again.
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Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 05, 2017, 07:51:42 PMWhat we did really well on Prometheus, considering that it was a ground zero idea that was starting all over again, was I discovered that people do have an appetite for the alien and what he means and his evolution – the egg, the facehugger, the chestburster as we call them.
People still want to see it. So I return to a little bit of that but not wholeheartedly; there's a lot in here which is new as well.
This was implicitly obvious before, but it's worth taking a moment to absorb now that Scott has articulated it. For a moment I was surprised to read Scott appearing to criticize Covenant before it was even released, but Fox had it coming if they forced his hand. He doesn't ever say that there is a good story reason for the change in direction. It was changed due to audience demand, which is not the best way to decide story. I'm doing my best to embrace this new movie, but we aren't getting the movie that Scott wanted to make, and that's a crime against science fiction, right there. Critics are going to notice Fox backpedaling on the Prometheus franchise. The fact that Prometheus was fresh made them cautiously optimistic for the return of the franchise. I think Covenant is going to split them, with many critics registering disappointment that Fox killed their most promising science fiction property in order to promote their most tired one.
Prometheus wasn't their most promising property though, was it. Otherwise this would be Prometheus 2. I firmly believe Neil Blomkamp's concept art for Aliens 2 reignited Fox's and subsequently Ridley Scott's interest in Alien.
I say we let the cinema going audience dictate whether Alien is "tired" out.
Blomkamp cheekily pitched an Alien movie while Ridley Scott was trying to get a trilogy made. Blomkamp was coming close to wrestling the franchise away from Scott, which basically represents fan fiction becoming canon, or inmates running the asylum. I don't think it reignited Scott's interest in Alien, because his interest had never diminished. He always wanted to direct Alien 2. If Fox and Alien fans showed interest in Alien 5 and that interest impacted the development of Prometheus 2, that can only be a bad thing artistically. Scott sold out in order to prevent his trilogy from going unfulfilled while some hack kid filmmaker makes fan-fiction with his ideas.
Audiences have continued to pour money into tired franchises, so that is no evidence of anything. What we are talking about is what James Cameron was talking about. This movie is consciously repeating itself to be safe. That's a sad thing for an artist pushing 80 to feel forced into doing. He has a limited number of movies he can make, and we just traded Prometheus 2 for a flipper baby movie combining two franchises that were never meant to be connected. Remember AvP? That's basically what this is: Alien versus Prometheus. Whoever wins, we lose.
Scott was/is producing Alien 3.2. He was never in danger of having the franchise taken away from him.
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i really hope we get script leaks of "Prometheus 2" vs Alien Covenant after the movie is out (much like Alien: Engineers vs Prometheus). im REALLY curious what the original version of the story was like when it was more "Prometheus" focused.
Seeing both the Jack Paglen and Michael Green scripts would be cool.
Hopefully they'll come out at some point. I'm going to be trying to get my hands on them.
I don't think Covenant is going to be a retread of Alien, anymore than Alien Resurrection was. Yes, they'll have similar tropes but Covenant is telling a much different story over all.
I've seen what I am almost certain is a hoax Jack Paglen draft. It focused on Shaw and David but looks to be written by a fan and was pretty terrible. In fairness, so was Transcendence, but this appeared to be literally written by an amateur.
It maybe the one I came across. I did start a fake script thread. Lemme find it.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=53507.msg2125977#msg2125977
I can't find the thread I made but here's the script in question.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=55429
Here we go. All the fake scripts I came across.
Hate to be a downer but Ridley's 80 years old. If he doesn't make the threequel right after this I don't know if we'll get the chance to see it.
Hopefully the dude's healthy.
I really hope we see the creators of the engineers. I just hop the sequel be about them and no f**king xenomorphs.
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Hate to be a downer but Ridley's 80 years old. If he doesn't make the threequel right after this I don't know if we'll get the chance to see it.
Hopefully the dude's healthy.
Yeah a lot of people are dropping like flies lately.
And no matter how you turn this, even if he starts Covenant 2 by the beginning of 2018 it will be mid 2019 before we see the light of it.
Thats already 3 years ahead and closing to 85 years. And thats a very well respected age for a filmmaker.
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It maybe the one I came across. I did start a fake script thread. Lemme find it.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=53507.msg2125977#msg2125977
I can't find the thread I made but here's the script in question.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=55429
Here we go. All the fake scripts I came across.
Are any of these fun to read even though they're fan scripts?
Yeah, that's the one. Awful.
Did find another Gibson A3 draft not long ago - I never knew he did more than the one.
Yeah, he did 2. :) I've got all the legitimate scripts that are available in our downloads section: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/downloads/
Still searching for a few.
The man deserves a massive amount of respect. He's 80 and never stops working. And not just working but making movies. A massive workload, its just mindblowing. And his passion and love for Alien is a dream come true for me, and hopefully all of you. This is a good time to be a fan
Very much a dream come true. I remember for years hoping he could get roped back into doing just ONE more Alien film, and now he might do a couple more after this current one? And he's legitimately excited about this universe? Never would've believed it 10 years ago. So happy, so grateful, so thankful.
Gotta hand it to Jon Spaihts for igniting his passion. Sure, Ridley had the idea that the space jockeys were wearing suits, but it was Jon that tied their history to mankind's.
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Very much a dream come true. I remember for years hoping he could get roped back into doing just ONE more Alien film, and now he might do a couple more after this current one? And he's legitimately excited about this universe? Never would've believed it 10 years ago. So happy, so grateful, so thankful.
Gotta hand it to Jon Spaihts for igniting his passion. Sure, Ridley had the idea that the space jockeys were wearing suits, but it was Jon that tied their history to mankind's.
This all day long!
I echoed this concern in another thread, but I can't see this current story line dragging on for two more films. I envision the current story going for one more film. Why? I just don't see how this could link back to Alien without going so far left field that the events in Alien become invalidated. Presumably what Scott is getting at here is that by these films linking back to Alien they are linking back to the mysteries of the first film (something which has been documented on at length). I can't see how this can happen since the mysteries of Alien felt self-contained. The one way that I can see this going correctly is if the Engineers continue to play a role in the current story. How? Well, it has been alluded to elsewhere that the Engineers may have stolen or come upon some of this bio-technology from a more ancient source—now THAT would be worth investigating further.
If what was said about the ending is true then the
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surviving cast
would carry over to the next one.... Unless their story ends here and a new one begins. ???
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If what was said about the ending is true then the Spoiler
surviving cast
Covenant is potentially (not practically yet) the first movie of the trilogy so somebody has to carry the torch. In my opinion an ultimate antagonist it's going to be David. According to leaks our alive protagonist(s)
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are Daniels and Tennessee. At least till the next instalment because we don't know what will happen to them in the future.
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If what was said about the ending is true then the Spoiler
surviving cast
Covenant is potentially (not practically yet) the first movie of the trilogy so somebody has to carry the torch. In my opinion an ultimate antagonist it's going to be David. According to leaks our alive protagonist(s) Spoiler
are Daniels and Tennessee. At least till the next instalment because we don't know what will happen to them in the future.
True.. Only time will tell.
Good riddance ;D
Hope he genuinely has the plan mapped out and that he's not making this up as he goes along. :P
For that matter, regardless of whether Blomkamp gets to make his sequel or not, there's bound to be a future set Alien sequel which may not center on the Ripley character. Would fans still be on board, or is it likely there feeling burned out by the many growing numbers of Alien Spin off movies ect.
I can't see a point in dragging it on in this direction or era either. While Covenant may be a fun movie it seems like the story will be clear-cut and I think doing a continued monster mash with the same creature in the same timeframe just diminishes the alien and the original film.
Granted, my preferred sequel to Prometheus would've had them leapfrogging the film timeline entirely and having Shaw and David awaken from cryo five hundred years later - making these stories the larger superstructure of the Alien films as opposed to slavish prequels - but that's moot and here we are.