AvPGalaxy Forums

Blomkamp shares Newt concept art from Alien 5! Earlier this morning Neill Blomkamp posted a new piece of concept art for Alien 5 to his Instagram, this time giving us our first look at his adult Newt! This is the first piece of Alien 5 related content that Blomkamp has posted since announcing that the film was on hold whilst Alien: Covenant was being filmed.

The concept art looks remarkably like an adult Carrie Henn, suggesting that perhaps we won’t be seeing a recasting of the Newt character as assumed by most people. The majority of artwork released so far has focused around Ripley and Hicks and this is the first time we’re seeing something regarding Newt.

Back in November of 2015, Michael Biehn had apparently said that Newt would be recast with a younger actress but Biehn spoke out about that interview, saying he was misunderstood and that he was merely speculating on Alien 5.

Sigourney Weaver recently spoke about Alien 5, reaffirming that the intent was to produce Alien: Covenant first and then come back to Alien 5, stating that both Neill and herself were very excited about the project.

Thanks to Joel Foster (XENOMORPHOSIS) and Wade B Wyeth (aka Number 13) for the tip.

Link To Post

Well this is fairly interesting! A grown up version of Newt which either maybe part of the film or maybe left on the cutting room floor.. So far, this might end up looking like this film maybe ignoring Alien 3 after all. I could be wrong but if this does end up on the cutting room floor, I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe this was why Alien: Identity was pretty much nixed..

I think it was a certainty that it would ignore Alien 3. Same on why Identity got cancelled - their premise was too similar to Blomkamp's.

I think the really interesting thing is that it resembles Henn. I'd just assumed she would be getting recast due to not continuing an acting career.

I still think they should recast Newt.  Carrie Henn's acting experience is minimal and there are plenty more established (and up-and-coming actors for that matter) that can play Newt and consequently use their star power to bring a bigger audience to the theater. 

If Carrie Henn is cast as Newt I know it would make some fans happy but I think it would be bad overall for the franchise.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2016, 05:52:50 AM
I think it was a certainty that it would ignore Alien 3. Same on why Identity got cancelled - their premise was too similar to Blomkamp's.

I'm not surprised.

I just hope they don't do the "IT WAS ALL A DREAM!" trope. If they do that, well... it's a cheap cop-out. But you know I do have mixed feelings about this... I'm okay with this. I'm okay with this because I'll always have Alien 3 to fall back on.

That I may be wrong, this move will centre more on Newt, Ripley has a presence but it's a passing of the torch.

If it's good enough for Rippers, Hicks and Newt...

...then I want Parker back!

(He just took a mild flesh wound to his noggin and then escaped in the slightly malfunctioning emergency Quantum space/time device left aboard the Nostromo by Ash who was working on it in his spare time.  He goes 90 years into the future but time dilation causes him to age by 30.  He lands on Gateway station but it's infested with xenos - you know, the really crappy ones  you can kill easily and he pwns their asses just by claiming he's owed 90 years worth of back pay.  Yeah.  That's just as valid as this drivel.) 

-Windebieste.

Lmao

You need to get registered here, kemosh!

To be fair, we don't know if this is just Blomkamp having fun with Alien Day. I feel like there is a lot of weight to this concept art, but we need to remember what day it is, and as a fan-- it could be Neill having fun. Then again... maybe there is more to it.

She has to da the word "Mostly" as a nod, surely!

First impression seeing the News thumbnail (even before clicking) was they have drawn Newt to look like a grown up Carrie Hein, actress who played Newt in original movie, to acknowledge how Hein grew and developed in her adult life.

Buuuuttttttt isn't it interesting that the Dark Horse comics envisioned and drew Newt to grow up to be a "slim babe".

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette2.wikia.nocookie.net%2Favp%2Fimages%2F3%2F3f%2FBillie_xnewt.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20100425061228&hash=d8fdd7aaad0ff27d2de4168227bab69d13c73058)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette1.wikia.nocookie.net%2Favp%2Fimages%2Ff%2Ff1%2FNewtEarthWar.jpg%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20130921100421&hash=5200d5a347b76cec162ccce9cff40bfce80f4eb1)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg4.hostingpics.net%2Fpics%2F237606NewtandHicksComic.jpg&hash=68d5234226a55ae987244702e8f13ce1cee1d6cc)

I always imagined 20th Century Fox would want her to have (let's face it) sex appeal- so Kristen Hager (Jesse from AVP2 movie) or any other actress late 20s, early 30s blonde haired and neotenous face.


But if they saw Carrie Hein had been replaced with, say, Amber Heard- the "3rd way feminist/SJW/liberal" crew wouldn't be impressed and would cry "lookism". Then again you'd have the counter argument that "wow she looks different".

This is a hot potato.

Nice that the concept art is based on Carrie Henn, but its sad that it does seem to be hinting more and more of a Alien 3/Resurrection Retcon

Big mistake in my opinion. This is one of the rare times where they should completely recast the role if they're bringing back Newt.

Haha this really means they just roll over Alien 3 and Alien Res.

Jesus christ thats awesome!!!


So any chance we can do this with the Star Wars prequels? :D

Quote from: windebieste on Apr 26, 2016, 06:27:08 AM
If it's good enough for Rippers, Hicks and Newt...

...then I want Parker back!

(He just took a mild flesh wound to his noggin and then escaped in the slightly malfunctioning emergency Quantum space/time device left aboard the Nostromo by Ash who was working on it in his spare time.  He goes 90 years into the future but time dilation causes him to age by 30.  He lands on Gateway station but it's infested with xenos - you know, the really crappy ones  you can kill easily and he pwns their asses just by claiming he's owed 90 years worth of back pay.  Yeah.  That's just as valid as this drivel.) 

I imagine they'll test Henn before she's cast. She hasn't acted for a few decades. If she performs well I have no issue with her returning. Why would I?

She looks nothing like what you'd expect her to be. I can see someone like Emily Blunt playing her pretty well. It needs to be a tough chick.

Oh why the hell not have Carrie Henn reprise her role as Newt? She's a school teacher in real life, so dealing with hoards of monster is right up her ally. Plus most professional actors wouldn't do the character much justice anyways.

Quote from: windebieste on Apr 26, 2016, 06:27:08 AM
If it's good enough for Rippers, Hicks and Newt...

...then I want Parker back!

(He just took a mild flesh wound to his noggin and then escaped in the slightly malfunctioning emergency Quantum space/time device left aboard the Nostromo by Ash who was working on it in his spare time.  He goes 90 years into the future but time dilation causes him to age by 30.  He lands on Gateway station but it's infested with xenos - you know, the really crappy ones  you can kill easily and he pwns their asses just by claiming he's owed 90 years worth of back pay.  Yeah.  That's just as valid as this drivel.) 

-Windebieste.

10/10, would watch!

Oh yeah, Billy also survives from Predator. You see, the Predator never actually ripped out his spine. In fact, he was removing a giant tapeworm from Billy, doing him a favour. That Predator was actually never a hunter, he was an alien doctor who goes from planet to planet offering healing services to primitive races.

Due to contact with the Predator, Billy contracted an immortality giving germ and then lived out the centuries by starring in porn films until the events of Alien 5 where he is called on by Weyland-Yutani who knew all about him and his experience with combating aliens. So he is forced to not fight hunters this time, but xeno-parasites...  ;D

But seriously, Carrie Henn looks quite different, like really different. It's amazing how much some people can change over the years from childhood into adulthood.

I've no interest in this film at all, but I have to say I hope she's not called 'Newt' in the film. What grown woman would want people calling her 'Newt'? Stick with the surname thing and call her Jorden. Ripley could call her Newt at one point just as an in-joke between them and the audience.

Guess Aliens fanboys can still dream of electric sheep::) And we can now bury any theory of this movie including Ripley 8. I myself will never put money towards this new direction as i have already invested heavily in the present continuity. Doing the same with Star Wars too. Thats IF it's released. Does anyone not remember what happens when someone tries to recreate a classic? It bombs. Alien Resurrection tried to be Aliens and Aliens fanboys hated it. Aliens Colonial Marines tried to be Aliens and Aliens fanboys hated it. If Blomkamp fails to deliver and we get another Avp quality flick, Sigourney will be done. A sequel will be axed and the Alien franchise will fade just like other classic horror movies until we get god awful straight to own movies. People hate Alien 3 because their favorite characters died horrifically during the beginning. I love it for just that, the message. The message that the beast will always win and that there are no happy endings in this cold dark universe.

its happening!!!!!!!!!!! lol nice

Not happy with this movie hope it flops(no offence)

Fantastic news!  Go, Carrie Henn go!

The really great thing here is the human story.  This will bring people in to theatres in droves.  I mean, we had a child star who performed brilliantly but was then teased by her peers.  So she stayed away from the industry.  But then she makes a reappearance 30 years later.  That will be a news story in and of itself.  Every night, the theatre will be packed with not just Aliens fans, but also regular people who will love this film.  Because they mostly come at night... mostly.

I strongly doubt about Carrie Henn. To be honest - it is not an actress, she has no acting experience, she has another career.

Her will not be in the movie, but any other actress with experience, can easily make as adult Carrie Henn, more precisely on Newt.

Blomkamp just gave us a beautiful art. This is not need necessarily be an accurate portrayal of an adult Newt.

Agree with LordCassusSnow.

This right here -
"People hate Alien 3 because their favorite characters died horrifically during the beginning. I love it for just that, the message. The message that the beast will always win and that there are no happy endings in this cold dark universe."

Amen.

It HAS to be Juno Temple! She'd be perfect!

Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 26, 2016, 04:13:54 PM
People hate Alien 3 because their favorite characters died horrifically during the beginning. I love it for just that, the message. The message that the beast will always win and that there are no happy endings in this cold dark universe.

This is why I will ALWAYS love BOTH cuts of Alien 3. Infact, I still stand by that the Alien-Predator universe is a cold, dark and devoid universe.

But in regards to this, I just hope Blomkamp doesn't render Alien 3 and Resurrection as dreams. The whole dream theory which the fandom created back twenty years ago is just... dumb.

https://youtu.be/isZDgyZsL60?t=2m50s

Quote from: _kemosh_ on Apr 26, 2016, 06:26:29 PM
Agree with LordCassusSnow.

This right here -
"People hate Alien 3 because their favorite characters died horrifically during the beginning. I love it for just that, the message. The message that the beast will always win and that there are no happy endings in this cold dark universe."

Amen.

Speak for yourself and your Lord, mate.

I didnt like Alien 3 cos it was just a poor in every way.
Even Fincher is flabbergasted that there are people out there who like it ;)

Guys, we're getting Alien films from both ends.  There could be a half dozen new films if things go as planned.  How is that not epic??  It's truly a day to celebrate.  I can't wait to see all the films get turned into reality!

Quote from: Infected on Apr 26, 2016, 07:59:27 PM

Quote from: _kemosh_ on Apr 26, 2016, 06:26:29 PM
Agree with LordCassusSnow.

This right here -
"People hate Alien 3 because their favorite characters died horrifically during the beginning. I love it for just that, the message. The message that the beast will always win and that there are no happy endings in this cold dark universe."

Amen.

Speak for yourself and your Lord, mate.

I didnt like Alien 3 cos it was just a poor in every way.
Even Fincher is flabbergasted that there are people out there who like it ;)

That is certainly untrue, there are many things about Alien3 that are not poor. The soundtrack, acting, cinemtography, and alien design just to name a few.

I think they should continue the movies only if they get a competent person to write and direct. Having a different person is going to end up like Alien 3 and Resurrection with tone changing each film and directors putting their own input in what the series should be. Honestly if Blomkamp film is a success I really hope FOX doesn't go crazy with it. As we all know FOX is what ruined the franchise with their horrible practices. They became the Real Weyland-Yutani in a way.

And for the love god please don't let Fox think of making another AVP film reboot or sequel. I know everyone here don't share the same opinion with me but AVP film is doomed to fail and just insult the franchise even more. Sorry guys but its the truth.

What a load of BS Bloomhack it'ts spitting right now?? Just because it works (concept art support) the first time doesn't mean it gonna work a second time Neil, this ain't gonna happen and you know it, GET OVER IT.

Quote from: 420Buddy on Apr 26, 2016, 08:52:26 PM

Quote from: Infected on Apr 26, 2016, 07:59:27 PM

Quote from: _kemosh_ on Apr 26, 2016, 06:26:29 PM
Agree with LordCassusSnow.

This right here -
"People hate Alien 3 because their favorite characters died horrifically during the beginning. I love it for just that, the message. The message that the beast will always win and that there are no happy endings in this cold dark universe."

Amen.

Speak for yourself and your Lord, mate.

I didnt like Alien 3 cos it was just a poor in every way.
Even Fincher is flabbergasted that there are people out there who like it ;)

That is certainly untrue, there are many things about Alien3 that are not poor. The soundtrack, acting, cinemtography, and alien design just to name a few.

Yeah, great acting. A bunch of instantly forgettable characters running around, saying "f**k" a lot... :)

Other than obviously Ripley, Dillon and Clemens were okay, but that's about it...

Not oscar worthy maybe but none of them were bad. I think Morse, 85, Andrews,  Dillon, Clemens, and especially Ripley were great. I also thought Postlethwaite's character and Golic were good for small otherwise throwaway parts

We dont need this. If you really have to, i can do with retconning resurrection, have WY find the derelict after ripleys suicide and we can get a whole new mythos with future alien/human conflicts and keep the familiar things present, but undoing a3 is the wrong thing to do. Let ripleys story end. Lets focus on someone new.

Oh I can see what's happening here, all you ungrateful geezers want to have a hot sexy young actress play the role of Newt. Well I for one wouldn't mind the real deal Carrie Henn squeezing off a few thousand rounds from a M-41A pulse rifle into acidy xenomorph ass. You perverts should be ashamed of yourselves.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 27, 2016, 04:42:36 AM
Oh I can see what's happening here, all you ungrateful geezers want to have a hot sexy young actress play the role of Newt. Well I for one wouldn't mind the real deal Carrie Henn squeezing off a few thousand rounds from a M-41A pulse rifle into acidy xenomorph ass. You perverts should be ashamed of yourselves.

Agreed lol!  That one sketch with Henn carries so much gravitas.  We need this.

---

Quote from: King geedorah on Apr 27, 2016, 04:04:32 AM
We dont need this. If you really have to, i can do with retconning resurrection, have WY find the derelict after ripleys suicide and we can get a whole new mythos with future alien/human conflicts and keep the familiar things present, but undoing a3 is the wrong thing to do. Let ripleys story end. Lets focus on someone new.

Yes, we do need this.  We've had 3 attempts to bring in a new strong female lead for Alien films after Ripley and while some films were better than others, the female leads were meh.  The problem is that Ripley's death in Alien 3 accomplished nothing.  They still found a way to get the xenomorphs, and if the new Rage War series is treated as canon, then earth has more Aliens coming anyway, so where did the sacrifice take the story?  It's much better to have the original Ripley in the film, and to allow her to pass the torch to Newt.

It's a film that can easily go the wrong way.  That is granted, but it is worth a try.  If not now, then the actors will get too old and pass away eventually, and we'll never know what a great Aliens film we could have had.  Give it a chance I say.

Don't know the chances for her coming back but I'm for Carrie Henn too. She seems such a nice person in real life that if she manages to be as strong, determined on screen, as the concept art suggest, then that would be great :)

Whilst I love Alien 3, it had far more problems than simply killing Hix and Noot! However it's gained quite a following, especially after the Assembly Cut. I think the real crux of it is going to be whether Covenant bombs and if Alien 3.2 is actually better than 3.

---

Quote from: Primordial on Apr 27, 2016, 05:46:36 AM
Don't know the chances for her coming back but I'm for Carrie Henn too. She seems such a nice person in real life that if she manages to be as strong, determined on screen, as the concept art suggest, then that would be great :)

She's an incredibly lovely person in real life. If she has the acting chops after all this time I have no problem with her returning. I'm not adverse to seeing the character recast if she doesn't though. I just want a good performance.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 27, 2016, 04:42:36 AM
Oh I can see what's happening here, all you ungrateful geezers want to have a hot sexy young actress play the role of Newt. Well I for one wouldn't mind the real deal Carrie Henn squeezing off a few thousand rounds from a M-41A pulse rifle into acidy xenomorph ass. You perverts should be ashamed of yourselves.

Feminism much?

Please tell me you are female.

Alright. Let's cut that off before anyone starts an argument. Both of you play nicely.

Quote from: 420Buddy on Apr 27, 2016, 01:00:45 AMNot oscar worthy maybe but none of them were bad. I think Morse, 85, Andrews,  Dillon, Clemens, and especially Ripley were great. I also thought Postlethwaite's character and Golic were good for small otherwise throwaway parts

If you can actually follow who is who (probably easier for Brits who recognise most of them from TV) there are actually some good performances in there. As you say, Aaron, Andrews, Dillon and Clemens were all really good. Ripley was superb. And even Morse was decent considering his character on paper was kinda one-note for most of the movie.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 04:45:36 AMYes, we do need this.  We've had 3 attempts to bring in a new strong female lead for Alien films after Ripley and while some films were better than others, the female leads were meh.

And you think the solution is to execute some silly retcon specifically so you can shoe-horn back in another strong female lead, even if it is one we've had before?

Do something new. Cast a man or something.

Yeap the retcon work so well in the Terminator franchise right?, Beside that Alien 3 -Assembly Cut- it's a masterpiece and if Blomhack can't think in a way to move forward in the series instead just deleted 2 movies in favor of stupid cheap fan-fiction, then f**k him.

>Beatnation

Totally agree, wether you like it or not, Alien 3 and 4 EXIST ! You know, it could even be James Cameron's idea, I'd still think it's stupid as hell.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 11:37:53 AM

Quote from: 420Buddy on Apr 27, 2016, 01:00:45 AMNot oscar worthy maybe but none of them were bad. I think Morse, 85, Andrews,  Dillon, Clemens, and especially Ripley were great. I also thought Postlethwaite's character and Golic were good for small otherwise throwaway parts

If you can actually follow who is who (probably easier for Brits who recognise most of them from TV) there are actually some good performances in there. As you say, Aaron, Andrews, Dillon and Clemens were all really good. Ripley was superb. And even Morse was decent considering his character on paper was kinda one-note for most of the movie.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 04:45:36 AMYes, we do need this.  We've had 3 attempts to bring in a new strong female lead for Alien films after Ripley and while some films were better than others, the female leads were meh.

And you think the solution is to execute some silly retcon specifically so you can shoe-horn back in another strong female lead, even if it is one we've had before?

Do something new. Cast a man or something.

Firstly, it isn't silly, it's the natural conclusion.  It's all in the execution.  I am agnostic about how the film will turn out.  It could be great, and it could be that all the Alien 3 fan boys were proven right.  It's all in execution.  It's all in the strength of the story.  What I am saying is that it is the last chance to do this movie right with the original actors, including possibly Carrie Henn.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 02:17:50 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 11:37:53 AM

Quote from: 420Buddy on Apr 27, 2016, 01:00:45 AMNot oscar worthy maybe but none of them were bad. I think Morse, 85, Andrews,  Dillon, Clemens, and especially Ripley were great. I also thought Postlethwaite's character and Golic were good for small otherwise throwaway parts

If you can actually follow who is who (probably easier for Brits who recognise most of them from TV) there are actually some good performances in there. As you say, Aaron, Andrews, Dillon and Clemens were all really good. Ripley was superb. And even Morse was decent considering his character on paper was kinda one-note for most of the movie.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 04:45:36 AMYes, we do need this.  We've had 3 attempts to bring in a new strong female lead for Alien films after Ripley and while some films were better than others, the female leads were meh.

And you think the solution is to execute some silly retcon specifically so you can shoe-horn back in another strong female lead, even if it is one we've had before?

Do something new. Cast a man or something.

Firstly, it isn't silly, it's the natural conclusion. It's all in the execution.  I am agnostic about how the film will turn out.  It could be great, and it could be that all the Alien 3 fan boys were proven right.  It's all in execution. It's all in the strength of the story.  What I am saying is that it is the last chance to do this movie right with the original actors, including possibly Carrie Henn.

Could some of this not be said for a story not involving retcons?

Like a story set between A:3 and A:R with new characters? Or a story continuing Ripley 8's story? Or one set long after A:R?

Have they not learned from Terminator Genysis? Dude, it has ARNOLD in it! How did it flop so bad that even sequels got cancelled? (Btw, I liked Genysis.) Just because a fan favourite re-appears in a franchise isn't the saving grace.

Like you said, it's all in the execution. And if you ask me, Blomkamp is actually doing himself more harm by saying "hey guys, this is gonna be better than the last two films. In fact, it's gonna be the best, it's gonna be like the old two. It will have HIX AND NOOT!"

Does he not realize that it raises expectations? When I see things like "Weaver says the script was so good" and other similar news, I just imagine fans are all like "aw, this is gonna be the best thing ever!" *sees film* "It SUCKED! 0/10 INTANT NON-CANON!"

I think the guys behind The Predator may be doing themselves a similar harm by saying it will be an event film that will re-invent a franchise, which may be raising fan expectations rather than saying "hey guys, we're making a Predator film" they go "we're making this an event film, it will be talked about, it will reinvent the franchise..." I think they need to be careful. I couldn't care less for Blomkamp's film though, more excited for Covenant.

Ridley is probably handling it the best, not raising too much hype while trolling us here and there. His method works as it keeps us discussing without raising hype to possibly dangerous levels.

Anyone else remember when Danny Webb's(Morse)name was on the IMDB page for the sequel to Prometheus? When i saw that i was over the moon! Its too bad it didn't happen. His making a deal with god to live forever n all. Anyway the brits in that movie were terrific actors! The cast was extremely memorable in my opinion. How could they not be especially after shouting each others names over and over at the end very loudly. Can you honestly say you didnt feel any emotion as Morse takes one last look at his home towards the end? Poor dude lost all his mates and you can tell he's feeling something about it. I for on am glad he survived. Guy was probably my favorite character in the whole series.

Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 27, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
Anyone else remember when Danny Webb's(Morse)name was on the IMDB page for the sequel to Prometheus? When i saw that i was over the moon! Its too bad it didn't happen. His making a deal with god to live forever n all. Anyway the brits in that movie were terrific actors! The cast was extremely memorable in my opinion. How could they not be especially after shouting each others names over and over at the end very loudly. Can you honestly say you didnt feel any emotion as Morse takes one last look at his home towards the end? Poor dude lost all his mates and you can tell he's feeling something about it. I for on am glad he survived. Guy was probably my favorite character in the whole series.

I wanted Morse to die a slow and painful death. And I still do, all these years later... 😉

I think it's irrelevant whether or not Henn is cast again. There are millions of actors out there, of all types of appearances. Many of them potentially great unknowns.

What I do think is excellent, is that he's made a point of requesting the commissioned artist to base Rebecca's likeness adult off of the person who played her. To me, that's a wonderfully refreshing thing to aim for and shows dedication to authenticity of the spirit of this beloved series.

Yes, the Dark Horse comics portrayed Rebecca as model-like in 'Book 2', but she looked different in 'Book 1' - and even more different in 'Earth War'. The character never had a consistent physical appearance. She went from a dowdy, depressed-looking brunette, to a sort of Piper Perabo likeness and then to... Whatever Sam Keith was drawing.

It's kind of weird how alike DB's Rebecca portrayal looked like Perabo's then-future self, actually.

http://wallpapersdsc.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/220.jpg

But I like this new concept art. It shows Rebecca to look like a real person and that was something which 'Alien' was renowned for. Dallas, Lambert, Parker... They all looked and acted like real people we could relate to.

Amanda Ripley? She's wearing practical clothing, but she's clearly 'sexed up'. Pretty to look at, but it always felt like shallow motivation on CA's part. I honestly never saw any resemblance to Sigourney Weaver in her (or, especially, Weaver's mother, who that photograph, from 'Aliens', was of), which is what they should have aimed for.

As for 'Terminator Genisys', what's that got to do with anything? I seem to recall a recent 'X-Men' film reset its own continuity, too - and that got some very positive reviews (and lots of commercial success). A film's quality has nothing to do with whether it has a plot device in common with an inferior product or not.

Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 27, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
Anyone else remember when Danny Webb's(Morse)name was on the IMDB page for the sequel to Prometheus? When i saw that i was over the moon! Its too bad it didn't happen. His making a deal with god to live forever n all. Anyway the brits in that movie were terrific actors! The cast was extremely memorable in my opinion. How could they not be especially after shouting each others names over and over at the end very loudly. Can you honestly say you didnt feel any emotion as Morse takes one last look at his home towards the end? Poor dude lost all his mates and you can tell he's feeling something about it. I for on am glad he survived. Guy was probably my favorite character in the whole series.

C'est what?  Morse did hardly anything in the movie.  And then he got to survive.  His character meant nothing basically.  How can he possibly be your favorite?  Are you some kind of Hipster?

---

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 05:54:00 PM
I think it's irrelevant whether or not Henn is cast again. There are millions of actors out there, of all types of appearances. Many of them potentially great unknowns.

What I do think is excellent, is that he's made a point of requesting the commissioned artist to base Rebecca's likeness adult off of the person who played her. To me, that's a wonderfully refreshing thing to aim for and shows dedication to authenticity of the spirit of this beloved series.

Yes, the Dark Horse comics portrayed Rebecca as model-like in 'Book 2', but she looked different in 'Book 1' - and even more different in 'Earth War'. The character never had a consistent physical appearance. She went from a dowdy, depressed-looking brunette, to a sort of Piper Perabo likeness and then to... Whatever Sam Keith was drawing.

It's kind of weird how alike DB's Rebecca portrayal looked like Perabo's then-future self, actually.

http://wallpapersdsc.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/220.jpg

But I like this new concept art. It shows Rebecca to look like a real person and that was something which 'Alien' was renowned for. Dallas, Lambert, Parker... They all looked and acted like real people we could relate to.

Amanda Ripley? She's wearing practical clothing, but she's clearly 'sexed up'. Pretty to look at, but it always felt like shallow motivation on CA's part. I honestly never saw any resemblance to Sigourney Weaver in her (or, especially, Weaver's mother, who that photograph, from 'Aliens', was of), which is what they should have aimed for.

As for 'Terminator Genisys', what's that got to do with anything? I seem to recall a recent 'X-Men' film reset its own continuity, too - and that got some very positive reviews (and lots of commercial success). A film's quality has nothing to do with whether it has a plot device in common with an inferior product or not.

Very well said Xenomorphine.  On all points.  It's all in execution and in the story.

Haha you troll XD

Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 27, 2016, 06:27:29 PM
Haha you troll XD

I'm not trolling you.  Honestly, you picked one of the most "fly on the wall" type of characters to be your favorite.  There's basically no justification for that other than to say that you just want to be different.  There is hardly anything memorable that Morse does on screen, other than to be the sole survivor of Alien 3.  Why?  What is it about this character that just does it for you?

Morse didn't do anything? Its was Morse that spoke up for Dillon and Rip and got the other prisoners to get off their asses and help kill the beast. It was Morse who suggested to Rip, after pouring hot lead on the beast, that she use the sprinkler system to kill the alien who was after her in a blind rage. It was Morse who deprived the company of their queen specimen after helping Ripley martyr herself. And it was because of Morse i laughed so hard in a movie that could have ultimately been joyless as hell. Especielly when Andrews gets grabbed lol

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 05:54:00 PM
As for 'Terminator Genisys', what's that got to do with anything? I seem to recall a recent 'X-Men' film reset its own continuity, too - and that got some very positive reviews (and lots of commercial success). A film's quality has nothing to do with whether it has a plot device in common with an inferior product or not.

My point for bringing Genysis is this:

Terminator 1 and 2 had Arnold and did well

Terminator 3, Salvation (to an extent) and Genysis also had Arnold and did not do well.

Hell, let's use Alien as an example.

Alien and Aliens = RIpley = great success.

Alien: 3 and Resurrection = Ripley = I will spare you the details as you likely know the response.

Just because you bring back a nostalgia classic character does not mean it's gonna be a masterpiece as the childhood classic that so many people love.

Sure, the story could be great, the movie may turn out to be the best Alien movie ever made... we'll never know until we see. But don't forget that it has just as high of a chance to bomb hard like a Predator's wrist nuke. Ripley isn't the saving grace of this franchise. 3 and Resurrection have proven that. I'm one of the few people who loved those films but not many fans here share that opinion.

I just don't understand... why can't they honestly just continue the story? It's a big universe with many characters to introduce and explore. Why is Alien limited to Ripley? It's one of this franchise's glaring flaws to be honest. For a sci fi that grounds itself in lots of realism, it sure suspends tons of belief by having one character encounter Aliens 238024830843 times in her lifetime. What was so great about Weaver's suggestion to Blomkamp to make him change his original script which was going to explore a new character?

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 06:33:12 PM

Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 27, 2016, 06:27:29 PM
Haha you troll XD

I'm not trolling you.  Honestly, you picked one of the most "fly on the wall" type of characters to be your favorite.  There's basically no justification for that other than to say that you just want to be different.  There is hardly anything memorable that Morse does on screen, other than to be the sole survivor of Alien 3.  Why?  What is it about this character that just does it for you?

No offense but that is his opinion man. I like Morse too. He's memorable and funny to me. A lot of A: 3's characters were hilarious.

No justification for liking Morse? I could tell you there's no justification for Alien 5...  other than for the sake of Blomkamp fanwanking.  :P

I didnt mean you i meant rankles. Sorry bro

Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 27, 2016, 06:42:32 PM
I didnt mean you i meant rankles. Sorry bro

Sorry I'm confused here. He says you like Morse and there's no justification for that. I like Morse as well and there's plenty of justification for that.  :) Alien: 3 made me laugh so hard during my last re-watch of it for some reason. Just them saying "f**k!" cracks me up, it's the way they say it.

I'm not having a go at anyone, we're all friends here just discussing our passions.

I do like Morse  :) My reasons i listed a few comments ago

Hmm, I am beginning to understand your reasons.  But if this is the case then they totally didn't play the character correctly.  I mean I didn't even notice all the things he did.  He literally was the proverbial fly on the wall for the whole movie and then he kind of saved the day didn't he.  That makes no sense practically.

TAP, I understand what you mean and I'd agree they should really veer off into fresh territory. But at the same time, I can see the value of including a character we're already familiar with, who has prior knowledge of not just the creatures, but the events which we, as the audience, also are.

I also quite like the fact that Hicks may be included (assuming he's not a hallucination, as per Scorpius in 'Farscape'). So long as he's portrayed like the competent military veteran he is, I think his knowledge and mentality could have been infinitely valuable during 'Alien 3'. If he's used that way, it'll be a refreshing change from the Ripley-wakes-up-all-alone-and-nobody-believes-her formula.

So, yes, new territory would be great, but I can also see this is a potentially worthy stepping stone. Especially if an adult version of Rebecca Jordan has the torch passed along to her (even if it'd be more of a poisoned chalice, from the character's perspective).

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 08:05:00 PM
TAP, I understand what you mean and I'd agree they should really veer off into fresh territory. But at the same time, I can see the value of including a character we're already familiar with, who has prior knowledge of not just the creatures, but the events which we, as the audience, also are.

I also quite like the fact that Hicks may be included (assuming he's not a hallucination, as per Scorpius in 'Farscape'). So long as he's portrayed like the competent military veteran he is, I think his knowledge and mentality could have been infinitely valuable during 'Alien 3'. If he's used that way, it'll be a refreshing change from the Ripley-wakes-up-all-alone-and-nobody-believes-her formula.

So, yes, new territory would be great, but I can also see this is a potentially worthy stepping stone. Especially if an adult version of Rebecca Jordan has the torch passed along to her (even if it'd be more of a poisoned chalice, from the character's perspective).

I always understood Ripley's value in "Aliens", like you said, she was the person who encountered them so her experience and knowledge was very helpful for the Colonial Marines. She chose to bravely go with them rather than stay behind. And her ending up combating the Aliens was more a coincidental outcome due to how events turned out. She never expected the Marines to disarm themselves hallway into the fight due to an atmospheric processor etc.

And she was just unfortunate in Alien: 3, just how she was unlucky in Alien. All the non-Aliens movies are basically Ripley encountering them due to unforeseen circumstances with Aliens being the only one where she actually chose to come to them rather than otherwise.

So this makes me wonder if Blomkamp's film is gonna be like that. Will Ripley encounter them by chance? Or will she be called upon for her experience?

Perfect O. Thats why he's my favorite! Morse: the unsung hero janitor of fiorina 161. Oh you think ripley was the hero in Alien 3? Guess again! Lol

Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Apr 27, 2016, 08:58:02 PM
Perfect O. Thats why he's my favorite! Morse: the unsung hero janitor of fiorina 161. Oh you think ripley was the hero in Alien 3? Guess again! Lol

I think nobody was the hero of Alien 3.  Nothing was really achieved.  The Aliens still resurfaced.  Besides that, nothing was really resolved with the bigger picture issue of where they come from and how do we deal with them if we really need to.  That's why I am up for a retcon.  It would be more meaningful I think, if Ripley's character finds out about the meaning behind the Aliens and changes her mind and decides to help W-Y find more specimens.  That would be coming around full-circle, not dying.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 09:05:24 PMI think nobody was the hero of Alien 3.  Nothing was really achieved.  The Aliens still resurfaced.

That was the fault of the fourth film/EU stories, not a fault of Alien 3 itself. The third movie was meant to be a definitive ending.

I was just joshin about the unsung hero thing. Though it would make a good meme along with newts hide n seek champion of hadleys hope. Also, Hudafuk, i can agree on that.

---

Lets not forget what weve gotten from Alien 3 though. The Queen Facehugger, the Queen Chestburster and the Alien being able to take on traits of its host to better survive its environment. Meaning if it wasnt for alien 3, we probably wouldn't have predaliens or Kenners Aliens line. Not to mention Neca's upcoming Kenner tribute line.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 27, 2016, 09:09:10 PM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 27, 2016, 09:05:24 PMI think nobody was the hero of Alien 3.  Nothing was really achieved.  The Aliens still resurfaced.

That was the fault of the fourth film/EU stories, not a fault of Alien 3 itself. The third movie was meant to be a definitive ending.

Indeed. Alien 3 very much achieved something. They destroyed the Aliens. At least, as far as the films were concerned until Resurrection.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2016, 08:05:00 PM
TAP, I understand what you mean and I'd agree they should really veer off into fresh territory. But at the same time, I can see the value of including a character we're already familiar with, who has prior knowledge of not just the creatures, but the events which we, as the audience, also are.

I also quite like the fact that Hicks may be included (assuming he's not a hallucination, as per Scorpius in 'Farscape'). So long as he's portrayed like the competent military veteran he is, I think his knowledge and mentality could have been infinitely valuable during 'Alien 3'. If he's used that way, it'll be a refreshing change from the Ripley-wakes-up-all-alone-and-nobody-believes-her formula.

So, yes, new territory would be great, but I can also see this is a potentially worthy stepping stone. Especially if an adult version of Rebecca Jordan has the torch passed along to her (even if it'd be more of a poisoned chalice, from the character's perspective).

That's actually a really good point. One of the big problems with new stories with new characters is the characters having to relearn everything the audience already knows. It gets mildly tedious at some point and having them return would be a way to solve that. There are other ways, of course, but this one has the benefit of existing character history with the audience and a shared knowledge.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 28, 2016, 09:56:53 AMIndeed. Alien 3 very much achieved something. They destroyed the Aliens. At least, as far as the films were concerned until Resurrection.

And even then you could argue it was only man's meddling that undid her actions, and not for another 200 years.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 28, 2016, 10:16:34 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 28, 2016, 09:56:53 AMIndeed. Alien 3 very much achieved something. They destroyed the Aliens. At least, as far as the films were concerned until Resurrection.

And even then you could argue it was only man's meddling that undid her actions, and not for another 200 years.

This is exactly right. Ripley was successful at destroying the species, "for all intents and purposes she succeeded". That was one aspect of Resurrection that I actually liked; that it didn't devalue her sacrifice, her era had come and gone and the film essentially tried starting a new arch. Just a shame the film didn't turn out well.

Quote from: PsyKore on Apr 29, 2016, 01:15:23 AM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 28, 2016, 10:16:34 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 28, 2016, 09:56:53 AMIndeed. Alien 3 very much achieved something. They destroyed the Aliens. At least, as far as the films were concerned until Resurrection.

And even then you could argue it was only man's meddling that undid her actions, and not for another 200 years.

This is exactly right. Ripley was successful at destroying the species, "for all intents and purposes she succeeded". That was one aspect of Resurrection that I actually liked; that it didn't devalue her sacrifice, her era had come and gone and the film essentially tried starting a new arch. Just a shame the film didn't turn out well.

Indeed. Spot on. I'm not sure I liked a definitive end though - that's primarily just because I'm selfish and want lots of stories and comics and etc.

The name of the artist who created this image of Newt is UK based Calum Alexander Watt. You'll recognize his style from his work on Alien: Isolation.

https://twitter.com/CalumAWatt (https://twitter.com/CalumAWatt)

calumalexanderwatt.com (http://calumalexanderwatt.com)

I should have recognized that! Thanks for sharing.

I asked Calum if he'd done any more artwork for Blomkamp. He gave me ".... :)" so I'm guessing that's a yes.

https://twitter.com/CalumAWatt/status/728280403174285312

He also said we're in for "a long wait" with regards to Alienkamp in response to someone else's question.

How did I miss this news? ::)

After reading the comments, I agree that IF Carrie Henn is recast to her role as Rebecca Jorden, we know she has been battling Aliens of her own as a teacher :laugh: I'm ok with a recast, as long as she can still hold her own. Another actor taking her place is ok too. The costume design is, well, sketchy. ;D

As for the comment on reconning the Star Wars prequels, I disagree. At first, I did not want to see them at all. Then one day, I seen Episode 2 on TV and watched it. Was very surprised. At least George Lucas had a major part in all three films... Sometimes I think Episode 3 is my favorite next to Episode 5 or 6. This is coming from a SW fan since 1997 at age 12.   

Sorry for the run on, someone post a pic of Jar Jar Binks getting facehugged or something. :laugh:

It never got reported on but according to Ross Poulter, one of the admins at WY-Bulletin, at London Film and Comic Con last year he spoke to Carrie Henn who said she would be in the film but only through something like a video link call.

I actually hope she is in the film.  By the time the film starts shooting, Carrie Henn could polish up on her acting.  It would be silly not to give the character a larger role, and I suspect Blomkamp sharing this images may imply that they're rethinking the extent of the character's role.  I would hope that they really think things through and put together something that can be a trilogy.  I mean I don't want a story spread thin like not enough butter on toast (Hobbit, ehem!), but if they have something good and epic that can come thogether over 3 films, I would be up for that..

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 06, 2016, 09:01:19 AM
It never got reported on but according to Ross Poulter, one of the admins at WY-Bulletin, at London Film and Comic Con last year he spoke to Carrie Henn who said she would be in the film but only through something like a video link call.

Wonderful!  I would've been happy enough just to hear her name mentioned in a few lines of dialogue.  To see Carrie herself reappear as Newt will really be a treat.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 27, 2016, 06:41:59 PMI just don't understand... why can't they honestly just continue the story? It's a big universe with many characters to introduce and explore. Why is Alien limited to Ripley? It's one of this franchise's glaring flaws to be honest. For a sci fi that grounds itself in lots of realism, it sure suspends tons of belief by having one character encounter Aliens 238024830843 times in her lifetime. What was so great about Weaver's suggestion to Blomkamp to make him change his original script which was going to explore a new character?

This.

Burke had to resort to downright bribery and hollow promises to get Ripley to go back to LV-426, and even then only as an adviser.

Alien 3 gave us a magic egg on the Sulaco so she was forced into facing the alien again.  Alien Resurrection's way of bringing her back was ridiculously contrived, but at least it made sense from the standpoint that Ripley was once again stuck on a ship infested with the aliens.

Assuming Ripley, Hicks and Newt survived the three week trip back to Earth and lived normal lives for 30 years, what sort of plot device would any self-respecting writer use to convince us that she'd willingly go anywhere near the aliens again?

Unless it's some sort of Rolland Emmerich-style disaster movie that focuses on how "the old gang" handles an infestation of Earth along with the rest of humanity, I just don't see it.

That could be awesome, but the last thing I want is Sigourney Weaver exerting any creative control over the story.

Quote from: Kelgaard on May 30, 2016, 03:01:26 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 06, 2016, 09:01:19 AM
It never got reported on but according to Ross Poulter, one of the admins at WY-Bulletin, at London Film and Comic Con last year he spoke to Carrie Henn who said she would be in the film but only through something like a video link call.

Wonderful!  I would've been happy enough just to hear her name mentioned in a few lines of dialogue.  To see Carrie herself reappear as Newt will really be a treat.

It's always nice to see the original actors reprise their old roles.  I hate re-casting.  That said, she's not an actor.  If she gets the part, I sure as shit hope it isn't big enough to make or break the movie. 

They should only give her enough screen time to appease the fans, but not enough to make us regret that they brought her back.  Kinda like Carrie Fisher in The Force Awakens.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 27, 2016, 06:41:59 PM
What was so great about Weaver's suggestion to Blomkamp to make him change his original script which was going to explore a new character?

The much higher chance of his pitch being green-lit.

Cynical. But probably wholly accurate.  ;D

Newt will be the star of Alien 5 (played by some young and sexy upcoming actress).  Who could really see Carrie Henn returning to the role?  Sigourney Weaver and Michael Biehn will have minor roles to bring in the fans.  Just like The Force Awakens.  They want to relaunch the franchise with Ripley 2.0.

Sigourney Weaver's character (Ripley or Ripley 8??) will probably die in Alien 5 at some point.  It seems unlikely she would return for future movies, given her age.  But her returning for Ripley "one last time" will be a big box office draw when this film comes out.

I can see Carrie in a cameo appearance, as mentioned above, then recast if the character returns for an expanded role in a sequel. 

I'm all for this! I think she should be the main protagonist, but the film shouldn't reveal it is Rebecca 'Newt' Jordan until the end of the movie. Until then, she should be known as Ann Weyland (Weyland's daughter was the one dead in the EEV, for example).

And it should be a tall, strong female actress, for example:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbiddenplanet.co.uk%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F12%2FAnna%2520Walton%2520Mutant%2520Chronicles.jpg&hash=818c69ed547030866a09ac4a7a012b2c13d465c4)

Couldn't hurt for her to put on some muscle, however.

This just showed up on Twitter. Creators.co's ideas for who could be Newt: https://creators.co/@DCFenoff/3960063

Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 09, 2016, 10:25:49 AM
Newt will be the star of Alien 5 (played by some young and sexy upcoming actress).

Given her trauma at LV-426 and the hive, I would imagine her to be an elephant of a woman in a mumu, with having lost both her legs to diabetes. :P

Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 10, 2016, 05:15:52 PM

Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 09, 2016, 10:25:49 AM
Newt will be the star of Alien 5 (played by some young and sexy upcoming actress).

Given her trauma at LV-426 and the hive, I would imagine her to be an elephant of a woman in a mumu, with having lost both her legs to diabetes. :P

lol in real life but not hollywood.

I see future Newt as being a badass warrior woman.. like a future Amazon.  She inherits the legacy of her adoptive mother and takes the fight to the aliens on their homeworld.

When faced with trauma it's equally possible and realistic that some people will be empowered by it and some will be disempowered.  Its all individual.  I can see Newt wanting revenge, but I can also see her drying up like a leaf and dying inside.  She definitely had it in her to survive all those weeks alone on LV-426, but she did so at the cost of her humanity.  I think the Newt presented in the original Mark Verheiden comics series was the most realistic and plausible.  She was a total headcase, but when given the opportunity to get revenge om the Aliens, she rose to the task.

One of the things I enjoyed about Book 1 was that it did have an actual effect on Newt's psyche. I really hope that they take a similar approach with Alien 3.2.

Sarah Connor her ass. We need more PTSD badass women.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 26, 2016, 09:04:51 PM
Sarah Connor her ass. We need more PTSD badass women.

Yes.

Just noticed NB has removed a lot of those original Alien 5 concept art posts off his Instragram.

I think they disappeared around the time the film was actually announced.