Terry Gilliam Trashes Alien Franchise...

Started by ralfy, Jul 10, 2018, 10:39:10 AM

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Huggs

Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 10, 2018, 09:54:33 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 10, 2018, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jul 10, 2018, 09:02:56 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 10, 2018, 06:15:05 PM
As for this Gilliam guy. Never heard of him until now. So he doesn't like Alien? Well, that's his loss.

You never heard of Terry Gilliam? Seriously? :) Watch The Fisher King.


Seriously. I've honestly never heard of him. I'll have to check it out The Fisher King.

You should have heard of Monty Python and the Holy Grail or 12 Monkeys.

Heard of both. Never seen em.

B.A.

B.A.

#31
Ok. You got me on Ash's fake head. That was bad. No doubt. Think, however, this movie was done with practical effects and had a rediculously low budget even adjusted for inflation. The studio boosted the budget due to R. Scott's storyboard art and it was still nothing compared to today's films...and yet no CGI then either.The Fisher King is a critically acclaimed film. Not taking away from that fact. "The Tree of Life" with Brad Pitt was critically acclaimed as well... (sound of hacking...cough...hack...gagging noise...wheezing...body hitting floor...crickets chirp...fade to black).

Huggs

Quote from: B.A. on Jul 10, 2018, 11:51:08 PM
Ok. You got me on Ash's fake head. That was bad. No doubt. Think, however, this movie was done with practical effects and had a rediculously low budget even adjusted for inflation. The studio boosted the budget due to R. Scott's storyboard art and it was still nothing compared to today's films...and yet no CGI then either.The Fisher King is a critically acclaimed film. Not taking away from that fact. "The Tree of Life" with Brad Pitt was critically acclaimed as well... (sound of hacking...cough...hack...gagging noise...wheezing...body hitting floor...crickets chirp...fade to black).

We've got a guest down! Somebody go get SM and his sausage mitts!

SM

I don't know what his point is but it's too late now.

Oh well.

Huggs

Quote from: SM on Jul 11, 2018, 02:33:05 AM
I don't know what his point is but it's too late now.

Oh well.

Should we jettison the body? Or keep it Cryo for return to the company labs?

SM

He will go off into infinity, for infinity.  He will be forever in infinity.

Huggs

Quote from: SM on Jul 11, 2018, 02:48:41 AM
He will go off into infinity, for infinity.  He will be forever in infinity.

Selah!

The Old One

The Old One

#37
Quote from: SM on Jul 11, 2018, 02:48:41 AM
He will go off into infinity, for infinity.  He will be forever in infinity.

Riddles on the dark.

SM

 :laugh:

Corporal Hicks

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 10, 2018, 09:13:52 PM
While I wouldn't go along with everything he mentioned, that shot of the creature outside the airlock has always been one of the most obviously fake (the other being the obvious change between Ash's prop and 'real' heads) and the film would probably have been better with a different shot in its place.

A good few years back I went a marathon showing of the series in London with Dachande. New and old audience from the feel of it. When that scene came up...so many laughs in the screen...I was just so used to that that it surprised me at how funny the audience was finding it.  ;D

The Old One

The Old One

#40
It's because it looks really bad, that, Ash's head and the cut around the cat being smacked are the theatrical release's three imperfections.

More irritating is how easily fixable they would actually be.

Despite the fact I like Aliens less, I don't think it's imperfections are as glaring but there's more of them and become more obvious on each subsequent viewing. Some cliché/bad lines and strange editing.
Also all easily fixable by some extra cutting and pasting.

A3 would require some trimming of the fat in the AC and special effect fixing but is probably the most likely to ever actually happen.

Rankles75

Never had a huge issue with the "Ash head" scene, but the Alien being blown out of the airlock is jarringly bad. As for people on here dismissing Gilliam as a nobody because he didn't like the film, stop embarrassing yourselves...  ::)

Perfect-Organism

Terry Gilliam is one of the most brilliant directors of his generation, exploring very thought provoking subjects.  Brazil is one of my favourite films, and I highly recommend it to anyone.  He gets the idea of socialist / corporate dystopia, which is often portrayed in the world of Aliens.

He has a sensibility which is not far removed from that of Jeunet of whom I was a fan before A:R came out.  I had great expectations of A:R and was let down.  In much the same way, as much as it may seem interesting to have a TG directed Aliens film, I suspect it would fail to deliver on expectations.

Yes, the guy in the rubber suit at the end of Alien looked hokey.  He's right.

Necronom IV

Necronom IV

#43
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jul 11, 2018, 11:32:03 AM
Never had a huge issue with the "Ash head" scene, but the Alien being blown out of the airlock is jarringly bad. As for people on here dismissing Gilliam as a nobody because he didn't like the film, stop embarrassing yourselves...  ::)

You are quite right. A little elementary research on my part would have spared me a good deal of humiliation: I had never heard of him and assumed he was not only wrong, but one of the endless third-rate opiners of the internet. I cannot see how such a man has any right to intervene in ''Alien'', but as for assuming he was a nonentity, in the words of an old friend of mine ''never assume: it makes an ass of both you and me''. I quite deserve to wear the donkey's ears.

This is a minority opinion, clearly, but I confess I found the Ash scene brilliantly done. I detest CGI and think the old effects are better by far:  the hideous pseudo-organic mass of tubes and globes entirely unexpected and different to the coloured electrical wires of most robots, the chilling screams of his malfunction, the thin, milky fluid (which reminded me of semen) spouting from his mouth (as unexpected and as frightening as the chest-burster in its way) and soaking the fragments, the head tearing as an artificial head would, with a rough flap of rubbery skin torn from the neck and chest, not a cheap neck-decapitation. The increasingly tinny, mechanical voice blended with Sir Ian Holm's is brilliant and thoroughly sinister, as is the burning away in separate gouts of flame the outward appearance of his humanity down to a mannequin-like foundation.


The Old One

The Old One

#44
It's the cuts in-between him being set down and speaking the are the worst offenders.

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