Hey guys
Over the years we've seen much revolt and hatred towards the ADI iterations of the Predator... and that got me wondering, who out there actually LIKES the ADI preds? Let's have some praise for a change
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/avp2004-still-034.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/avp2004-still-044.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/avp2004-still-050.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/avpr-still-023.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/avpr-still-022.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/predator4-still-007-1920x1280.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/predator4-still-011.jpg)
ME !
They were the ones I grew up with (thanks, AvP 2004) so I maybe biased in my opinion but I truly really actually genuinely like them
I quite like their suited Predators. I think if nothing else their armour designs are pretty consistently great.
The bulky look in AvP definitely fit the comic book vibe Anderson was aiming for and I thought Wolf's more streamlined look was a solid return to form.
While I'm not particularly fond of the design, Scar is a very well realised creature effect with a frankly impressive performance range. The exact performance could've been better - the "oh shit" face was a bit much - but that's a reflection of Anderson's direction, not the mask itself.
The fact the thing could go from neutral to full scowl to "oh shit" all in the one effect is a much bigger achievement than people give it credit for.
Scar is still my favourite Predator. And for the reason most people probably don't like him - he is a "hero" Predator. He is so cool and awesome
(https://pa1.narvii.com/6518/014c248b49993823358f347a6857848020958c6a_hq.gif)
This gif says it all
Seeing Alien's head being bashed against stone pillars is great too
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-28-2016/7Jx7qe.gif)
I think this is more about design then characters :laugh:
Celtic's mask was great though. Really captured people's attention in the trailer.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 21, 2021, 11:29:12 PM
I think this is more about design then characters :laugh:
Let me be positive about ADI Preds the way I want goddamit ! :D
Quote from: SiL on Oct 21, 2021, 11:19:03 PM
I quite like their suited Predators. I think if nothing else their armour designs are pretty consistently great.
The bulky look in AvP definitely fit the comic book vibe Anderson was aiming for and I thought Wolf's more streamlined look was a solid return to form.
While I'm not particularly fond of the design, Scar is a very well realised creature effect with a frankly impressive performance range. The exact performance could've been better - the "oh shit" face was a bit much - but that's a reflection of Anderson's direction, not the mask itself.
The fact the thing could go from neutral to full scowl to "oh shit" all in the one effect is a much bigger achievement than people give it credit for.
Pretty much this, especially what I've put in bold text.
I actually loved all the AVP 2004 Predator designs.
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 21, 2021, 11:33:08 PM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 21, 2021, 11:29:12 PM
I think this is more about design then characters :laugh:
Let me be positive about ADI Preds the way I want goddamit ! :D
Just make sure to call them pretty :laugh:
Celtic's mask has to be my all-time favourite Predator mask. The aesthetic elements coalesce so well
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/avp2004-bluray-326.jpg)
Celtic's mask is very high up on my favorite Predator masks list.
Oh hell yeah, let's bring those pretty-faced Predator specimens in here.
(https://sm.ign.com/t/ign_in/articlepage/a/alien-vs-predator-announced-for-universals-hallowe/alien-vs-predator-announced-for-universals-hallowe_mc6n.1280.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YREAfGt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OfsRk1Z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hnraQz7.jpg?1)
I also really did like the design of the Emissary Predators, and I still hope for an alternate cut to see them in action. The covers of the NECA releases are some of the only proper marketing photos we have of them.
(https://i.imgur.com/y6x6AqC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XsQy1PJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TCcHpTO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6UyTIbE.jpg?1)
And a few pictures I've taken of the Hot Toys ones:
(https://i.imgur.com/fR69Utg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/d5feM75.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TNo7tdI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/H7CFlo8.jpg)
I do hope that with Skulls, we have ADI designing the armor again. I did think it was an odd choice to have QuantumFX handle the armor separately, though I did like fugitive's armor.
^^^
I do like a lot of those figure renditions above and the alterations they made. Good stuff!
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Oct 22, 2021, 12:18:29 AM
Celtic's mask is very high up on my favorite Predator masks list.
Mine too! I wish Scar wore that one to be honest! Definitely a favorite.
And Wolf with his mask on is just aces to me in my book, and Ian Whyte's performance as Wolf is my next favorite to Kevin Peter Hall's!
Oh for sure! Yeah wolf is buy far one of the coolest looking Predators out of this franchise.
I really like crazy eyed Wolf there.
For me on The Predator I really liked the idea of giving dreadlocks texture. It adds so much detail to a face I didn't know I wanted. Less tentacles and more weird looking hair. It's also kind of cool to me that it is one of the things the franchise kind of ran with cause a bunch of Predators got detail on the dreadlocks after that. Some less than others but it was cool to see them embrace that change.
I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED. Quote from: Omegamorph on Oct 22, 2021, 12:12:51 AM
Celtic's mask has to be my all-time favourite Predator mask. The aesthetic elements coalesce so well
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/avp2004-bluray-326.jpg)
Yeah, Celtic is so iconic and just so recognizable as AvP (well that and Griddy of course). 10/10 pred bio.
Though I really can't pick a favorite predator...as they all have things I like about them... our most recent friend 'The Fugitive' was such a cool predator and it's shame he wasn't in the film more.
(https://assets.media-platform.com/gizmodo/dist/images/2018/05/14/180514_predator.jpg)
Wish Scar died saving Celtic from his arrogance, then we could have a genuine sense of rivalry when Grid fights the last Predator near the last act of the film, just hypothetically.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Oct 22, 2021, 01:25:30 AM
I really like crazy eyed Wolf there.
For me on The Predator I really liked the idea of giving dreadlocks texture. It adds so much detail to a face I didn't know I wanted. Less tentacles and more weird looking hair. It's also kind of cool to me that it is one of the things the franchise kind of ran with cause a bunch of Predators got detail on the dreadlocks after that. Some less than others but it was cool to see them embrace that change.
He's ready to throw down.
And I agree I did like the repeating texture they gave the dreadlocks on Fugitive, and it was subtle enough that it didn't seem too wildly different.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Oct 22, 2021, 12:12:51 AM
Celtic's mask has to be my all-time favourite Predator mask. The aesthetic elements coalesce so well
Tied between that and Gort for me, but they're extremely similar.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 22, 2021, 01:07:54 AM
Mine too! I wish Scar wore that one to be honest! Definitely a favorite.
I had a chat with TQ about something similar today, which is that Celtic may have been a more compelling Pred MC than Scar, especially if his hubris/aggro had gotten Gill killed and he lived to have a third act showdown against Grid instead of the movie blowing its load half way through.
QuoteAnd Wolf with his mask on is just aces to me in my book, and Ian Whyte's performance as Wolf is my next favorite to Kevin Peter Hall's!
I'm going to bite my tongue on the design but yes, Whyte does a reasonable job.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 22, 2021, 08:18:41 AM
Quote from: Omegamorph on Oct 22, 2021, 12:12:51 AM
Celtic's mask has to be my all-time favourite Predator mask. The aesthetic elements coalesce so well
Tied between that and Gort for me, but they're extremely similar.
Yeah, they do share similarities and both I find very cool.
QuoteQuoteauthor=Voodoo Magic link=topic=65269.msg2544335#msg2544335 date=1634864874]
Mine too! I wish Scar wore that one to be honest! Definitely a favorite.
I had a chat with TQ about something similar today, which is that Celtic may have been a more compelling Pred MC than Scar, especially if his hubris/aggro had gotten Gill killed and he lived to have a third act showdown against Grid instead of the movie blowing its load half way through.
Yeah, thinking about it, that probably would have been the better road to take.
QuoteQuoteAnd Wolf with his mask on is just aces to me in my book, and Ian Whyte's performance as Wolf is my next favorite to Kevin Peter Hall's!
I'm going to bite my tongue on the design but yes, Whyte does a reasonable job.
Okay, now I'm curious, but I'll ask you on a different thread.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 22, 2021, 08:18:41 AM
Tied between that and Gort for me, but they're extremely similar.
I recall Alec saying -- think it was in a promo video for Sideshow replicas -- that the 'Gort' mask served as a loose basis for the Celtic design
When we first saw Celtic, I'd always thought the similarities were very deliberate. Man, I love those masks. Shame we didn't get to see that one as the primary mask for the film. But I also love Elder's. Doing Ahab before Ahab with the open vent. Not very practical as a sealed breathing apparatus, mind you, but cool as f**k.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Oct 22, 2021, 01:40:38 AM
Wish Scar died saving Celtic from his arrogance, then we could have a genuine sense of rivalry when Grid fights the last Predator near the last act of the film, just hypothetically.
If they ever remade these things or did a comic adaptation that combined the stories or something I would have Celtic be the lead tbh, His cockiness leading to him getting separated. his brothers getting killed, and then surviving because he needed help from something significantly weaker than himself to take him down a peg. And you could use that as justification for how he deals with the Predalien in the sequel since it takes on Predator traits which he can see a lot of himself in. His arrogance made physical by this perversion of his mistakes handling Scar.
StudioADI also has a pretty sweet YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbhiVDWG8wgg3v9cuH6DqEA). Here's a number of their Predator featured vids:
I love seeing BTS of the first film.
You're in luck they have tons of it.
I've seen it all multiple times ;D
I actually very unpopularly love their take on the Queen, and the BTS video of that one in particular's amazing.
I like how they double-downed on "ugly motherf**ker" aspect with Wolf. Like, JH looks nasty already but Wolf's face looks absolutely disgusting. As old, more seasoned Predator should. In my headcanon the older Predator gets, the uglier he looks
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dpr75b3XUAANiq-.jpg)
Oh, and I like Wolf's gigantic mandibles. I mean, they're HUGE ! That was litterally the only thing I could think about when I saw him for the first time
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1637579663201049004/A97E1BB9238B0617FBB111C4CE90FB346DC63F7E/)
Quote from: Trash Queen on Oct 23, 2021, 08:59:16 PM
I actually very unpopularly love their take on the Queen, and the BTS video of that one in particular's amazing.
I don't think it's such an unpopular take actually. Their Preds get more heat in generall. And yeah, Queen looks glorious in AvP 2004. Watching her rise from her ice tomb is almost like religious experience to me
https://youtu.be/zgq5hfJCziA (https://youtu.be/zgq5hfJCziA)
Quote from: Trash Queen on Oct 23, 2021, 08:59:16 PM
I actually very unpopularly love their take on the Queen, and the BTS video of that one in particular's amazing.
My problems with their Queen are how Anderson used it, not their design. The animatronic work was stellar.
For Wolf I feel like the design ideas came from Scarface Predator.
(https://www.avpcentral.com/images/badass-predators/scarface-predator.jpg)
Speaking of it implements that ADI 2004 style design well:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WflvE7hEchc/maxresdefault.jpg)
Quote from: Trash Queen on Oct 23, 2021, 09:12:45 PM
For Wolf I feel like the design ideas came from Scarface Predator.
(https://www.avpcentral.com/images/badass-predators/scarface-predator.jpg)
Speaking of it implements that ADI 2004 style design well:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WflvE7hEchc/maxresdefault.jpg)
I believe one of the Strause brothers said Wolf was inspired by Broken Tusk from the old AvP comics, but I see what you mean about the ADI style design.
I actually love Wolf's overall design. I adore his mask, my favourite with City Hunter's.
I quite like Celtic's mask.
The AVP Queen was really great also.
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 23, 2021, 09:00:15 PM
I like how they double-downed on "ugly motherf**ker" aspect with Wolf. Like, JH looks nasty already but Wolf's face looks absolutely disgusting. As old, more seasoned Predator should. In my headcanon the older Predator gets, the uglier he looks
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dpr75b3XUAANiq-.jpg)
Oh, and I like Wolf's gigantic mandibles. I mean, they're HUGE ! That was litterally the only thing I could think about when I saw him for the first time
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1637579663201049004/A97E1BB9238B0617FBB111C4CE90FB346DC63F7E/
Quote from: Trash Queen on Oct 23, 2021, 08:59:16 PM
I actually very unpopularly love their take on the Queen, and the BTS video of that one in particular's amazing.
I don't think it's such an unpopular take actually. Their Preds get more heat in generall. And yeah, Queen looks glorious in AvP 2004. Watching her rise from her ice tomb is almost like religious experience to me
https://youtu.be/zgq5hfJCziA (https://youtu.be/zgq5hfJCziA)
I'll second that with Predators getting ugly as they age. I can't imagine the lifestyle leads to a lot of pretty faces. Even in the first AVP the Ancient looks like he's seen a fair bit compared to how Scar looks.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 21, 2021, 11:34:01 PM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 21, 2021, 11:19:03 PM
I quite like their suited Predators. I think if nothing else their armour designs are pretty consistently great.
The bulky look in AvP definitely fit the comic book vibe Anderson was aiming for and I thought Wolf's more streamlined look was a solid return to form.
While I'm not particularly fond of the design, Scar is a very well realised creature effect with a frankly impressive performance range. The exact performance could've been better - the "oh shit" face was a bit much - but that's a reflection of Anderson's direction, not the mask itself.
The fact the thing could go from neutral to full scowl to "oh shit" all in the one effect is a much bigger achievement than people give it credit for.
Pretty much this, especially what I've put in bold text.
Thrice agreed. The designs themselves was never my issue at all. Everything except the mandibles had always look superb. The broken mandibles is pretty much my only grievance with ADI's work.
I like their actual designs for the predators concerning armor, weapons, etc. Given my forum name, I'm sure you can see which weapon of ADI's was my favorite. Honestly, I don't know why so many dislike it.
Let's respect the thread title and intent here, and leave it at the elements you appreciate.
Conceptually, they are all fine. In fact, they still work with some of the original designers who worked on the original films, including Steve Wang. Wang helped design one of my favorite Predators, Wolf.
Quotehttps://www.instagram.com/p/BUdkJwJgjDA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
I long for some kind of material that shows how Wolf looked before the acid damage.
I find it kind of odd that wasn't a tie-in. Especially with how popular Wolf is that we just didn't get any tie-in beyond the PSP game. Yeah the mask is in AVP 2010 but I mean focusing specifically on 2004 Wolf. Like if Rebellion couldn't know what AVP-R was about it seems like an obvious idea to have done some sort of prequel showing how he got the scar, or even a Darkhorse comic.
I remember at the time it was a detail the community really took to (especially that it was and still is the most noticeable scaring in the series). Like that's clear prequel material to me and then nothing ever happened. Which is kind of funny since it wasn't even a script thing. It just looked cool in concept art and they ran with it. Which I guess is credit where credit is due to ADI as that's such a simple detail that people loved.
It was probably due to R's overall reception. Maybe ideas and concepts were done up. Maybe we can ask ADI one day about that.
ADI are great folk and get way too much flak, most of the work they do is at the behest of the head honchos. That being said, what is created is usually good, especially if you go by the context of the movie i.e the mutated drones in Resurrection suit that film just fine because in that movie they are mutated, but the suits don't work well in the avp movie though, painting them black and altering the neck did little to cover the lack of biomech details.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 27, 2021, 08:05:51 PM
ADI are great folk and get way too much flak, most of the work they do is at the behest of the head honchos. That being said, what is created is usually good, especially if you go by the context of the movie i.e the mutated drones in Resurrection suit that film just fine because in that movie they are mutated, but the suits don't work well in the avp movie though, painting them black and altering the neck did little to cover the lack of biomech details.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 04, 2021, 01:06:06 PM
Let's respect the thread title and intent here, and leave it at the elements you appreciate.
? I did appreciate them.....
You would think there was at least one image/model/render/drawing of Wolf without facial damage. Never could find one. Perhaps if there was an image that was dead center looking at his face, I could simply hop in PS and mirror the non-damaged side.
On another note, I always found the Elder Predators' interpretations being very different on film, very interesting. Like how AVP Elder had much longer locks (similar to the younger warriors depicted in the film). Both Elders had the blued/grayed lock patterns, but that's where they start to vary more. The faces look very different with how each studio depicted their age. I wonder which one is older. The AVP Elder perhaps?
(https://i.imgur.com/XIhpbZU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7lOwgJG.jpg)
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 28, 2021, 01:31:38 PM
? I did appreciate them.....
Yeah really not seeing the issue with your original post.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Oct 22, 2021, 12:12:51 AM
Celtic's mask has to be my all-time favourite Predator mask. The aesthetic elements coalesce so well
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/avp2004-bluray-326.jpg)
Yep! Easily my favorite Predator helmet.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 28, 2021, 01:31:38 PM
? I did appreciate them.....
You did, mostly, and it's more a heads up than an issue.
Hicks chimed in previously/why I quoted him was because folks were thinking this is the ADI appreciation thread followed by what you don't like about them thread, and it's not.
Also, it's ADI Predator appreciation thread. Maybe it should be renamed to just "ADI appreciation thread" ?
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 28, 2021, 05:10:53 PM
Also, it's ADI Predator appreciation thread. Maybe it should be renamed to just "ADI appreciation thread" ?
Good idea. I may just do that and move this into the general Alien & Predator section.
EDIT: Done
So now that we're bringing the Aliens into this thread, I'm going to be a black sheep here and profess my favorite Alien film design as the AVPR one.
These renders by Ivan Overst show off the design nicely I think.
(https://www.zbrushcentral.com/uploads/default/original/4X/8/3/8/838f911384cbba81a760abe276182caba3d7fc15.jpeg)
(https://www.zbrushcentral.com/uploads/default/original/4X/1/2/b/12bb7d9bba1f99cec30aa196a6dc0f2d0291e6f4.jpeg)
Omegamorph has a nice piece (https://monsterlegacy.net/2015/08/22/starbeast-aliens-vs-predator-requiem/) on this design, as well as an extensive gallery (https://monsterlegacy.net/2014/01/19/monster-gallery-aliens-vs-predator-requiem-2007/) of the creatures from this film.
The second image reminds me of the Aliens: Hive design.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
The second image reminds me of the Aliens: Hive design.
Think I see what you mean.
(https://cafans.b-cdn.net/images/Category_4674/subcat_161781/JuqoQq2D_0712170840051gpadd.jpg)
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
The second image reminds me of the Aliens: Hive design.
Aren't you the one who proclaimed he was going to scream "The end is coming !" while bashing his head against the wall if Hive's designs would ever be turned into live-action form ? :D
Nice pics, RidgeTop. I have soft spot for AvP Aliens. I do agree they look glorious in black. Yes, they may lack in biomechanical detail but that never really bothered me 'cause it's not like we get to see Xenos in great detail in the movies anyway. It's more about overall shape, details are great for BTS photos and collectible figures
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 28, 2021, 08:23:55 PM
Aren't you the one who proclaimed he was going to scream "The end is coming !" while bashing his head against the wall if Hive's designs would ever be turned into live-action form ? :D
I'm respecting the spirit of the thread.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Dec 28, 2021, 08:22:16 PM
Think I see what you mean.
The muscular arms, bold head ridges, and distinct lack of anything resembling what Giger created.
I have a weird soft spot for that design, though, and seeing that render I almost wish they'd leaned more into it. Would've fit the style of the film
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2021, 08:27:29 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 28, 2021, 08:23:55 PM
Aren't you the one who proclaimed he was going to scream "The end is coming !" while bashing his head against the wall if Hive's designs would ever be turned into live-action form ? :D
I'm respecting the spirit of the thread.
I'm sorry, I just thought it was extremely funny when you said that. Alright, I'm shutting up :-X
I think that comic has great artwork in general. High contrasts, gotta love it. Extremely moody
Quote from: RidgeTop on Dec 28, 2021, 05:00:31 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 28, 2021, 01:31:38 PM
? I did appreciate them.....
You did, mostly, and it's more a heads up than an issue.
Hicks chimed in previously/why I quoted him was because folks were thinking this is the ADI appreciation thread followed by what you don't like about them thread, and it's not.
Mostly? I never did anything but appreciate them. :-\
It was the comments about the AvP Aliens at the end of the post he's referring to.
Quote
but the suits don't work well in the avp movie though, painting them black and altering the neck did little to cover the lack of biomech details.
I can see where he's coming from but I think it's a stretch to say that's "not appreciating them".
Yeah it's only true lol
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2021, 10:00:42 PM
It was the comments about the AvP Aliens at the end of the post he's referring to.
Quote
but the suits don't work well in the avp movie though, painting them black and altering the neck did little to cover the lack of biomech details.
I can see where he's coming from but I think it's a stretch to say that's "not appreciating them".
I didn't say he wasn't. Was just steering the conversation away from that as was done before and ya can't blame me for being wary.
Moving on now please.
And once again, snipped. Come on folk. Appreciate the intent of the thread.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Dec 28, 2021, 05:00:31 PM
folks were thinking this is the ADI appreciation thread followed by what you don't like about them thread, and it's not.
The inverse applies to. It's not the "insult, then say something nice thread" either. Come on. Can folk stop trying to put me in an early grave.
Ok then, Ill stay within the appreciation range. Alien Runner has always been a very appealing design. It looked like a repulsive but stunning and terrifying creature, and it looked gruesome and like something thats really alive. The paintwork on it did look like Gigers paintings
And while I know Im in the minority, I dig the Predalien. Without the muscle tissue that the final version had, it had fantastic biomech design, and its alien "face" looked great
I dig the juvenile AVP Predalien.
I know this is toeing the line of the thread, but I liked ADI's version with the smaller dreads and no pecs. The movie version, not so much, but I think they did the best they could with a bad hand.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 31, 2021, 11:17:13 PM
I know this is toeing the line of the thread, but I liked ADI's version with the smaller dreads and no pecs. The movie version, not so much, but I think they did the best they could with a bad hand.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Txe5nRsvT2s/maxresdefault.jpg)
This one?
I think that's something that some don't understand. Sometimes the same design elements that are criticized are ones StudioADI disagree with themselves, and yet are directed to do by a film's director or producers.
Same reason this...
(https://statuecollectibles.com/images_upd/products/0/7t0mxqu4haej.jpg)
Becomes this:
(https://www.captain-hook.nl/controller/images/0e88c230e955fd8290efd36924938826.jpg)
No, I mean Chet before the muscles were added and the dreadlocks enlarged.
I really dig the original Predators Hound design, and I really dig the original The Predator dog design, but it must be said that for the ones we got actually on-screen the most recent film they are through no fault of ADI the worst. I hate them so much lol, it's The Thing prequel rubik cube replacement all over again.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 01, 2022, 12:16:43 PM
No, I mean Chet before the muscles were added and the dreadlocks enlarged.
Yep thats what I said. Terrific biomech design before they covered it with flesh and muscles
I agree. It looks so ungainly in the finished film because of the additions.
I have pics but theyre in jpeg format which isnt allowed in attachment. Ill try to upload them somewhere later
Got it. Thats the terrific Predalien body design Im talking about
(https://i.imgur.com/YwGsHWJ.jpg)
Here the pecs are being added, and they start to cover the ribcage
(https://i.imgur.com/TzjXOzU.jpg)
Great leg design
(https://i.imgur.com/x4QsMtj.jpg)
In the final version all those great biomech details are covered with flesh
(https://i.imgur.com/zdWDfrW.jpg)
I wouldn't say all. A lot of those details still seem apparent in the final suit:
(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/avprpredalienposesinsewer.jpg)
(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/avprpredalientestoos.jpg)
I think that was close to the final mold build. But I see what you mean, the full ribcage instead of a half one with those pecs. I do like the look of that honestly.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jan 01, 2022, 05:35:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txe5nRsvT2s
At about 3:30 in this video there's some concept art that is close to the final design but looks a bit more slender and lacks the pecs.
Hey, know what's COOL about Chet's design !?
Spoiler
THE SKULL !
(0||0)
||||
(https://i0.wp.com/i.usatoday.net/life/_photos/2007/10/26/AVP2x-large.jpg?resize=1200%2C800)
Yeah, from Omegamorph's Monster Legacy blog (https://monsterlegacy.net/2015/08/25/starbeast-aliens-vs-predator-requiem-the-predalien/), the addition of the muscular elements came directly from studio execs:
"During this sculpting stage, however, particularly unusual feedback was received. "That 80/20 proportion changed a bit when a 14-year old happened to be walking through the halls of Fox, saw the maquette and said 'wow! Cool Alien!' This observation led to much discussion about how to make it look more like a Predator, and some last minute adding of dreadlocks to increase the Predator feel." Following instruction from the studio executives, the Predalien's appearance was altered further — increasing the number of dreadlocks and adding more muscular components to its exoskeleton, such as the chest area. The Predalien was ultimately sculpted by Steve Wang, Hiroshi Katagiri, Casey Love, and Corey Schubert, and painted by Mike Larrabee."Quote from: Kradan on Jan 01, 2022, 06:54:08 PM
Hey, know what's COOL about Chet's design !?
Spoiler
THE SKULL !
(0||0)
||||
(https://i0.wp.com/i.usatoday.net/life/_photos/2007/10/26/AVP2x-large.jpg?resize=1200%2C800)
Yeah that was a nice element. It was the first time the under the dome skull had returned since the original Alien
(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/avprpredalienclosedark2.jpg)
Interesting. Many people seem to be negative towards ADI, even though it is the studio that screwed up the designs.
Personaly, I'd prefer that Chet had the same coloration as when it was a chestburster, so it would look more ghostly. I'd prefer the dreadlocks to be shorter or pointed like in that concept art. I would keep the skull and prefer less muscle and more biomechanhics.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 02, 2022, 12:27:48 AM
Interesting. Many people seem to be negative towards ADI, even though it is the studio that screwed up the designs.
Um, what ? Why do you phrase it like a contradiction ?
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 02, 2022, 02:29:04 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 02, 2022, 12:27:48 AM
Interesting. Many people seem to be negative towards ADI, even though it is the studio that screwed up the designs.
Um, what ? Why do you phrase it like a contradiction ?
PRobably mean: Century fox and owners and producer pressed ADI to change the design and give them tasks or request that was bad from the start.
Aaah, I though "studio" meant "StudioADI" hence the confusion
Nothing to see here
Dog Alien/Runner is one of my absolute favorite creature designs, by a country mile. It's a work of art.
(https://i.imgur.com/AAh354e.jpeg)
I love the runner, the design on it was great :D
It ĺooks simultaneously fragile and ferocious, love it
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 02, 2022, 12:34:31 PM
It ĺooks simultaneously fragile and ferocious, love it
Nature has a habit of producing lot of slender but deadly creatures in every corner of the animal kingdom, too.
Mantis, Cheetah, Snakes, just to name a few.
Runner being made at StudioADI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5n6tTJWK3A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5n6tTJWK3A)
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 02, 2022, 12:34:31 PM
It ĺooks simultaneously fragile and ferocious, love it
The Predalien from
Aliens versus Predator Classic 2000, was more similar to the Runner. I think it was a hybrid created through genetic experimentation.
That was AVPE where the Predalien queen was a geneticly created hybrid, as in that game neither Predaliens nor Runners and Drones could become Queens. In all games though, they are just as natural as Drones or Runners, simply being an Alien that has taken traits.
I have heard about the kid saying "cool alien" before too and its sad that fox would force more predator details on ADI's creation on the comment of a kid.
There is so many stupidity in that. Firstly, the film is R-rated, its not for kids and kids shouldn't really know what Alien looks like, its or at least was a horror franchise (not including the pg13 avp) and adults would easily tell it came from a predator simply from the first scene of it bursting out and having mandibles. Secondly, its an Alien, aliens take traits to better adapt, they are not hybrids and as such they need to always look like Aliens, bar the traits taken which shouldn't incliude pecs, muscle or dreadlock. The mandibles are enough. As ADI said, the balance needs to be 90% odd alien and only 10 -15% predator
(https://i.imgur.com/XfCYxFl.jpg)
Don't mind me, just continuing to admire this masterpiece.
Alien³ deserves a version where you can actually see how truly gorgeous it is.
Yeah, that sort of "rewriting the history" I would be OK with
Hopefully Disney can do that for the 4K.
I would actually like a remake. Its one of the few films that I feel would actually benefit from that treatment. Think about it. It deserves it. Bringing ADI back would also be a must.
Only with David Fincher or James Cameron in the director's chair though, otherwise honestly don't bother.
I wouldn't do it without Fincher. But I can't imagine any version of Alien 3 coming out worse than what we got. Just keep Fox out of it, and let him tell his story and we should be fine.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2022, 08:32:56 PM
Only with David Fincher or James Cameron in the director's chair though, otherwise honestly don't bother.
James Cameron directing Alien 3 ? That's the funniest joke I've ever heard ! :D
Quote from: Sol on Jan 10, 2022, 03:03:32 PM
But I can't imagine any version of Alien 3 coming out worse than what we got
Woah, woah buddy, let me stop you right here. Have you ever heard of widely acclaimed Hollywood screenwriter Eric Red ?
Would argue all alien movies after alien 3 was way worse, until Covenant. :P
Quote from: judge death on Jan 10, 2022, 07:44:53 PM
Would argue all alien movies after alien 3 was way worse, until Covenant. :P
I don't know. On a basic level, it seems Alien 3 was a mess in and out. We may like it more, but it's nowhere near what it was intended or should have been.
Uh-oh...
(https://c.tenor.com/JkxBCBDXg3gAAAAd/out-of-line-anthony-mackie.gif)
Masked Wolf is arguably up there with ol' Jungle and City...just a badass design, and the whip and dual shoulder-cannons were very cool. Body proportions were on point and everyone loves the mask.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 30, 2022, 06:09:26 AM
Masked Wolf is arguably up there with ol' Jungle and City...just a badass design, and the whip and dual shoulder-cannons were very cool. Body proportions were on point and everyone loves the mask.
Yep! Agreed.
Masked Wolf is very awesome and my #3 favorite under the Stan Preds! And Ian just did a wonderful job in the suit!
(https://instagram.fbkk12-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/fr/e15/p1080x1080/261871447_1035576180337126_8534830954530509534_n.jpg?_nc_ht=instagram.fbkk12-4.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=orLIfQpMbmIAX_5jozD&edm=AJBgZrYBAAAA&ccb=7-4&oh=00_AT8MjxmF1fCySFw9g9Cs29rcjJa1haMWy2j8WjEBgWLz5A&oe=620047F5&_nc_sid=78c662)
One thing Studio ADI gave me appreciation for with their designs, is full body netting on the AVP Predators. I like the symmetry of it and makes their loadout look more complete. I know full body netting pre-dates the AVP movie, but it was the first time I saw it.
It predates them in what exactly?
Quote from: happypred on Jan 30, 2022, 06:09:26 AM
everyone loves the mask.
Well I don't know about that.
get out
Just correcting that overly broad statement.
I like the 2004 masks though.
You didn't like Wolf's mask ? I mean, what's not to like ?
In my opinion? The entire thing, but especially the "cheeks". But that's not what this thread's for.
Fine then
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 17, 2022, 12:55:38 PMIt predates them in what exactly?
The comics. I've seen old comic pages from the Dark Horse comics that show Predators with full body netting.
Hope to see a lot more posts in here come August fifth.
We, ADI enjoyers, usually don't feel the urge to state obvious things
*slurps tea*
Haha okaaay. For what it's worth, people also often overlook their contributions to Aliens before working on Alien³ as well and onwards.
I can safely say that, big chap aside, my favourite xenomorph is definitely the runner.
Their queens are really great also.
Oh and the newborn is amazingly disturbing.
Having rewatched muh queer psychosex cyberpunk movie I was --
once again -- flabbergasted at what is essentially the ADI golden hour:
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/290368710_5146639952130863_5485125787513052996_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=InGC8bvkrPQAX9QWehB&tn=OvvXXIyW_sQOudya&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=00_AT862NyTvmpcbqd-JVvI3w0TNZO8aapnWwFMMO1kqDkOPA&oe=62BE5A84)
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/290606795_5146644355463756_1268020309361155793_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=Es1KzQUFF64AX9ls4Ld&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=00_AT_6CozaO8NTDcfu0vmrQ3yxBAZo5CO2g6FkxUxRWk7nbQ&oe=62BDDF1B)
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/290584354_5146765015451690_5233255265429601370_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=ZVbV9KGluFEAX_vIqAW&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=00_AT8HaRziMbhLCKSllMVfw42YGQ2pFe_DuaLghBiuM8YJUA&oe=62BE5DDB)
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/290556790_5146896078771917_2134649098389028074_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=v0rFssVW2qcAX-05B_y&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=00_AT_eJlKQTSUFYGJEwF6cM-k80BIcDGa0BC0dwDXSNLF9sw&oe=62BDE0FF)
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/290551712_5146925775435614_4635394614507384063_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=sC9C98NXwLcAX8FuJ-P&tn=OvvXXIyW_sQOudya&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=00_AT-sM6y1pdboDF9FPRoJYUHReKYkewVv31-SWcm6XgAmIw&oe=62BF5595)
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/290466655_5146934385434753_7728581805646640118_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=xe1UjUgab1cAX_HIHik&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=00_AT8pcstqupmomEiNOMXqDaVRAiSbK1VH6ZJuM3d-Mwr9ng&oe=62BE5FFA)
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/290586447_5146966492098209_6408745867526263862_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=k0ck5_lZTjcAX_PtyxL&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=00_AT-0FMdIbFpzBUO5NQPBU6jiG_qKaBqu3QyaTywKy2Absw&oe=62BE2D2A)
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/290526847_5146987088762816_4869210950558084033_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=9jzOEWD8Ov0AX-uV2rY&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=00_AT_iuTMCweeBRuct2BSYrO3zeWVaS90g0psnhvUoKN4-MQ&oe=62BDB96A)
Spoiler
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/290667788_5146623702132488_2896429511520946452_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=PazkNyvBKDwAX90ZOeO&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=00_AT_Sl3iV2Ib_snGw94KQBlj6XsmjNgQw6b-OzAczn-7AbQ&oe=62BD66EC)
Damn, those f**king Newborn eyes... I can't even stare at it for very long.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 28, 2022, 01:00:43 PMDamn, those f**king Newborn eyes... I can't even stare at it for very long.
I am fairly convinced that the fact it's an animatronic is an elaborate ruse and that they used a real creature
:laugh:
Feral Predator's absolutely magnificent.
RIP ADI